Gr8 updates as usual, CG what is that bridge goinin to somebody's house

Gr8 updates as usual, CG what is that bridge goinin to somebody's house

Thats first floor of a station and the bridge stops right there , just above the society's compound wall

Thats first floor of a station and the bridge stops right there , just above the society's compound wall
YOUWCH !!!

Mumbai Metro's second line gets a boost

Source (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Mumbai-Metros-second-line-gets-a-boost/articleshow/7796237.cms)
The government is elected by the people so that their needs can be met.Instead the government is looking at its own interests.

Linking road in khar does not have space for an overground metro.Doing so will result in a total chaos,traffic jams,serious health hazards etc.Besides during festivals especially like Ganesh chaturti,it is the main road that people use during immersion and considering the height of some idols,it will be a big problem.

Mumbai needs underground metro and not overground.Instead of making Mumbai better by sorting out the current problems the government would be creating new problems.

The government is elected by the people so that their needs can be met.Instead the government is looking at its own interests.

Linking road in khar does not have space for an overground metro.Doing so will result in a total chaos,traffic jams,serious health hazards etc.Besides during festivals especially like Ganesh chaturti,it is the main road that people use during immersion and considering the height of some idols,it will be a big problem.

Mumbai needs underground metro and not overground.Instead of making Mumbai better by sorting out the current problems the government would be creating new problems.

The problem is as of now, the government cannot afford an underground metro for such a long distance in Mumbai.

As always, thanks for the pics, CG !

The government is elected by the people so that their needs can be met.Instead the government is looking at its own interests.

Linking road in khar does not have space for an overground metro.Doing so will result in a total chaos,traffic jams,serious health hazards etc.Besides during festivals especially like Ganesh chaturti,it is the main road that people use during immersion and considering the height of some idols,it will be a big problem.

Mumbai needs underground metro and not overground.Instead of making Mumbai better by sorting out the current problems the government would be creating new problems.
Dude I have seen construction problems with Underground metro lines in Bangalore. Main Arterial roads like Cubbon Road get shut for three years. IF Linking Road is shut due to Metro for three years, then Bandra and Khar will be crippled.

^^

I concur....add to that the fact that there are no proper records of Mumbai's underground utilities, so they'd have to deal with the haphazard laying of underground pipelines and cables of the most recent decades. And then spend precious cash on relocating said utilities before they can resume the work.

Even underground projects in developed countries have problems occassionally...take Toronto for example, they were surprised to discover power equipment when digging for an urban renewal project...this despite having impeccable record-keeping practices.
Main difference: they have the money to deal with such circumstances unlike Mumbai.

^^

I concur....add to that the fact that there are no proper records of Mumbai's underground utilities, so they'd have to deal with the haphazard laying of underground pipelines and cables of the most recent decades. And then spend precious cash on relocating said utilities before they can resume the work.

Even underground projects in developed countries have problems occassionally...take Toronto for example, they were surprised to discover power equipment when digging for an urban renewal project...this despite having impeccable record-keeping practices.
Main difference: they have the money to deal with such circumstances unlike Mumbai.
Compared to some cities, Mumbai has good records of underground utilities, with respect to other Indian cities.

Underground work in Bangalore for Namma Metro has left a major road shut down, dug up and this will be for THREE years.
Imagine Linking Road, shut for three years.
It's concrete, so another problem. Then there is the issue of reclaimed land underneath.
It'll result in a disaster out there.

Why is Bangalore going for cut and cover method. May be it is for a station or for some specific purpose.

It is just a guess that the utilities will pose a problem for underground Metro. The main reason for going elevated is cost and not anything technical. Even MMRDA never claimed technical difficulties for underground line.In fact, the utilities is a big trouble for elevated lines as it will be just few feet below the ground (and proved to be time-consuming in reloacating it in Line 1).

Even for cost, it should be seen as cost per resident and not cost per km. Even the master plan for Mumbai has just around 150 kms (far less than Delhi's 400 km) and the expected reveues per km will be far higher accordingly. Mumbai does not need extensive network; it is a compact city. I am just using facts and have no intention for city-vs-city comparison.

Why is Bangalore going for cut and cover method. May be it is for a station or for some specific purpose.

It is just a guess that the utilities will pose a problem for underground Metro. The main reason for going elevated is cost and not anything technical. Even MMRDA never claimed technical difficulties for underground line.In fact, the utilities is a big trouble for elevated lines as it will be just few feet below the ground (and proved to be time-consuming in reloacating it in Line 1).

Even for cost, it should be seen as cost per resident and not cost per km. Even the master plan for Mumbai has just around 150 kms (far less than Delhi's 400 km) and the expected reveues per km will be far higher accordingly. Mumbai does not need extensive network; it is a compact city. I am just using facts and have no intention for city-vs-city comparison.
We also have TBMs arriving for the UG section this week.. :)
As for the second question. We don't have a say, do we?

Theorotically yes. There is a PIL against elevated line between Bandra and Andheri.I dont know why it is still not heard.

But I see more problems in the eastern side, if it is elevated. It has to cross 3 railway lines and may be some slums too. Rememeber SCLR and WR issues in Line 1 of Metro.

Theorotically yes. There is a PIL against elevated line between Bandra and Andheri.I dont know why it is still not heard.

But I see more problems in the eastern side, if it is elevated. It has to cross 3 railway lines and may be some slums too. Rememeber SCLR and WR issues in Line 1 of Metro.
When have any of our PILs ever gone heard in this country?

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IE (http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Financial-closure-for-Metro-corridor-II/769366)

Financial closure for Metro corridor II

Mumbai:The Mumbai Metro Transport Private Ltd (MMTPL), the special-purpose vehicle created for construction of Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd Metro rail corridor, has achieved financial closure and it has paved the way for construction of Mumbai’s second Metro Rail corridor.

As per details of the financial closure provided by the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA), Axis Bank is the lead banker along with nine other financial institutions—Industrial Development Bank of India (IDBI), Syndicate Bank, Indian Overseas Bank, Canara Bank, Punjab National Bank, Uco Bank, Bank of Maharashtra, Andhra Bank and Reliance Capital. “The date on which the financial closure was achieved, March 14, is the appointed date, which is deemed to be the date of commencement of the concession period of 35 years,” a press statement from MMRDA stated.

The Rs 8,250-crore project is being implemented on a public-private partnership.
The MMTPL is now finalising the alignment, station locations, concept designs and preliminary structural designs for the corridor. It is also shortlisting agencies to execute civil works for the 32-km corridor.

Meanwhile, the MMRDA is yet to get a final nod from the Environment Department for two car depots at Charkop and Mankhurd. Sources working on the project said the MMTPL may not start work on the corridor till there is clarity on the depots.

Rohan, can you please post the source of each article from now on?

Thanks

'Metro link will be safer and faster'

Source (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Metro-link-will-be-safer-and-faster/articleshow/7860296.cms)
The introduction of the new Metro rail trains will give the city a modern mass transport system. It will run on a dedicated elevated corridor with provisions for lifts and escalators at stations, modern automatic fare collection system and a passenger security system.

The introduction of the Metro in Delhi gave a fillip to the transport system and changed the way public transport was seen by the public. A team of journalists which was recently taken on a trip to see the airport section of the Delhi Metro, built by Reliance Infra, were shown details of how this line would prove to be a low-cost carrier from the city to the airport for both passengers and goods.

The director of Mumbai Metro One Private Limited (MMOPL), which is building the Metrorail's first line from Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar, K P Maheshwari, says it will be a faster and safer system. There will be no air pollution and its noise levels will be low.

Maheshwari said that the new metro line will also introduce many safety features.This will include fire retardant interiors for the train with a stainless steel body. There will be a sophisticated CCTV surveillance system on the train which will monitor all the activity inside the train. A special video transmission system is provided in the train so that the central control can watch whatever is happe ning inside a compartment in a running train. This is the first time that such a system will be in use in the country on the railways.

"In case of an emergency passengers can speak directly with the train driver through an intercom located in each coach,'' said Maheshwawri..

MMOPL officials state that all the doors are made specially so that they can be used for evacuation in case of emergency. There will be a black box which will record all the vital information like in an aircraft and there will be special obstacle detection devices which will avoid people getting trapped between doors.

MMOPL officials said that all the coaches of the Metro will be air conditioned, In case the AC fails there is provision for emergency ventilation. Special lifts will be provided for the disabled.

Special provision has also been made to keep the interior noise in the coaches to the minimum for the comfort of the passengers.

OMG!!! Colaba-BKC=20km=Rs 15k crore=Rs 750cr / km :eek: :bash:

they manage to reach new numbers every day.....

OMG!!! Colaba-BKC=20km=Rs 15k crore=Rs 750cr / km :eek: :bash:

Colaba-BKC-Airport = 30 km = 15,000 cr.

Colaba-BKC-Airport = 30 km = 15,000 cr.

oh!! thanks abhi for correcting... but still Rs500 cr / km :nuts:

A couple of articles about lines 1 & 2

Indian Express
Nod for steel bridge on delayed first route

Express News Service Posted online: Wed Apr 06 2011, 00:09 hrs


In yet another push for the delayed first route of the Metro in Mumbai, the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar corridor, the Commissioner of Railway Safety on Tuesday approved the construction of a steel bridge across the railway tracks. The 183-metre steel bridge will span the Western Railway line at Andheri from west to east, with its pillars standing on railway land.

Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd, the special purpose vehicle created for the execution of the corridor, has been awaiting clearance for the portion from the railways for around 15 months now. There were several rounds of designing with the blueprint going back and forth between the two agencies before the final design was changed from a concrete bridge to a steel bridge. “The Commissioner for Railway Safety on Tuesday granted the permission for the design approved for the bridge. So now the work of the sub-structure can start on the railway premises,” said Western Railway chief PRO Sharat Chandrayan.

According to sources, the work on the railway portion will commence in a week.

The steel bridge will be one of the most challenging structures along the entire corridor and it is expected that it will take nearly eight months to build. The construction on the railway portion is yet to start, but the piling work for the steel bridge on the Ghatkopar-end of the corridor has started, sources said.

Sources in MMRDA and MMOPL feel that the period of construction allowed by the Railways is too little and it will delay the completion of the bridge.

The Railways have made available 142 traffic and power blocks ranging from a minimum of 1 hour 55 minutes to a maximum of four hours. According to the estimates of MMOPL, with the given time period, the bridge construction would take around eight months.


CR to fast track nod for Metro II bridges
Ashley D'Mello, TNN | Apr 6, 2011, 05.50am IST

MUMBAI: The Mumbai Metro's second line got a boost when the Central Railway (CR) authorities said they would expedite efforts for an 'in principle' approval of the bridges over railway tracks at Kurla and Mankhurd.

According to joint project director of the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA), the CR has shown its commitment to the bridge , which is an essential part of the 32-km second line of the Metro from Charkop to Mankhurd via Bandra . He said that both the organizations were in the process of finalising the technical details of the bridges.

The corridor has 27 stations and will cost an estimated Rs 8,250 crore.

Citizens' groups from Juhu and Bandra had asked for an underground Metro line insteadof an elevatedone and even staged protests . The MMRDA, however , insists that the underground line will cost three times the elevated one , something the government cannot afford.

In another development , the Metro's first line from Versova to Ghatkopar via Andheri also got a fillip when the commissioner of railway safety , WR , gave the necessary clearanceson Tuesdayto build the substructure (foundation ) over which the pillars will be built to support the bridge over Andheri station . The alignment of the bridge is on the northern side of the station . The MMRDA and WR signed an agreement last month , which gave the railways permission to build the bridge over the tracks . The line is being built by Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd (MMOPL), jointly owned by Reliance Infra , MMRDA and a French multinational, Veolia.

WR officials said they would give the MMRDA twohour blocks in the night to carry out work. "We will give MMRDA more time on a caseto-casebasis ," an official said.

The permission for building the Metro bridge at Andheri had been delayed for almost two years with the railways insisting that the design must be in keeping with safety standards which they were used to.

MMPOL has prepared a design for a concrete bridge. However , this has to be changedto a steelbridge. Railway officials insisted the safety precautions were important if they were to prevent any accident.

Some pics past Sakinaka junction

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I'd say the quality of construction is really good compared to Delhi or B'lore. I mean the final finishing of the segments and the pillars ..

I'd say the quality of construction is really good compared to Delhi or B'lore. I mean the final finishing of the segments and the pillars ..

I think it is a bit better, but not much difference either..

These segments look exactly like those used to construct the prestigious Airport Express link of DMRC... Single piece segments.. its also helps in faster construction.. Go Mumbai Metro !:cheers:

Nice continuous stretch, nice pictures.

A TV9 report (I am assuming this is somewhat sensationalist)

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And a slightly older Gujarati report

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These segments look exactly like those used to construct the prestigious Airport Express link of DMRC... Single piece segments.. its also helps in faster construction.. Go Mumbai Metro !:cheers:

The reason is simple. Both Delhi Metro's Airport Express line and Mumbai Metro have Reliance in common.

I'd say the quality of construction is really good compared to Delhi or B'lore. I mean the final finishing of the segments and the pillars ..
It looks better than Bangalore. NM has a lot of gaps in the construction. But IMHO, Chennai is much better.

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I think Mumbai Metro has the best looking rolling stock of all the metros in India :happy:

Its chinese ....trust them if you can hehe...IMHO Airport Express line have the best rolling stock...

Your computers are working fine, right?

Still can you trust them......???

We should know a difference between a product manufactured by a chinese firm and product manufactured by an reputed international firm in china.....


Thats the difference ......

Compare chinese mobiles with apple iPhone assembled in china...you'll understand what I meant..

cheers

Every hardware is built in China with few in Japan/Taiwan etc.... China can produce a product based on ur budget

Every hardware is built in China with few in Japan/Taiwan etc.... China can produce a product based on ur budget

Sir, Again

I am talking about a product manufactured by a chinese firm and not by any international firm IN CHINA...

Sir, Again

I am talking about a product manufactured by a chinese firm and not by any international firm IN CHINA...

My point too.

I think Mumbai Metro has the best looking rolling stock of all the metros in India :happy:

I think Bangalore metro looks more sleek......

One segment has been placed, cables have been bought at the site. VSL(who constructed BWSL)is doing the cable part

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Still can you trust them......???

We should know a difference between a product manufactured by a chinese firm and product manufactured by an reputed international firm in china.....


Thats the difference ......

Compare chinese mobiles with apple iPhone assembled in china...you'll understand what I meant..

cheers


Heard about Lenovo?

Their computers are pretty good.

WEH station.

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Heard about Lenovo?

Their computers are pretty good.

Not really.

Heard about Lenovo?

Their computers are pretty good.

try using Lenovo....you'll only regret it....

Nice update CG...or UpdateMan...

I think Bangalore metro looks more sleek......

Nopes Bangalore metro trains looks like a toy and are ugly....just like delhi Standard Guage trains....Mumbai metro looks little better than BM but not great.....Mumbai Monorail looks great though....

try using Lenovo....you'll only regret it....

Nice update CG...or UpdateMan...

Have one, so far so good.

Anyways back to the topic.

Lenovo is former IBM

Nopes Bangalore metro trains looks like a toy and are ugly....just like delhi Standard Guage trains....Mumbai metro looks little better than BM but not great.....Mumbai Monorail looks great though....
Have the actual rolling stock arrived in MMOPL?
Bangalore's stock has arrived, and we have all seen it. Only the model coach at MG Road looks like a toy.

IMO.. all the rolling stocks of all the metros and monorails in India are very modern and good looking.. be it Bangalore Metro trains, be it the Mumbai ones or Delhi ones (including the standard gauge ones).. Mumbai monorail also looks cool... There is no point in comparing as each of these have its own distinction.. It will always depend on individual likeness...

Have the actual rolling stock arrived in MMOPL?
Bangalore's stock has arrived, and we have all seen it. Only the model coach at MG Road looks like a toy.

Yes, they arrived in late 2010, detailed pictures are available in the forum

do these stations have provisions for the disabled?

like say lifts?

do these stations have provisions for the disabled?

like say lifts?

Yes ofcoz. Schindler is supplying escalators and Otis is supplying Lifts

Use Metro to fuel mumbai’s growth

Mumbai Mirror Saturday 9-4-2011

Think tank proposes FSI of 4 instead of 1 around Metro stations, says this will help cash-strapped state govt generate more funds for other infra projects

With a view to earn more funds for infra projects, the State Government is planning to allow more FSI - to a maximum of 4 - in areas around 500 metres where all metro rail stations will be located in the city.

At present, the FSI for Mumbai's suburbs is one. Higher FSI granted for a given plot would result in permission for more number of floors that can be constructed on the same plot, thereby generating greater revenue which can be used for future infrastructure projects.

Mumbai Transformation Support Unit (MTSU), the think tank unit of the government for urban affairs, conducted a study for the Metro station at Juhu, and has asked the state urban development department to give FSI up to 3.25 for the area.

U P S Madan, project manager of MTSU, told Mumbai Mirror, “We completed a study of the area around the proposed Nanavati Hospital Railway Station on S V Road, along the Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd metro corridor.

We feel that this area can be given a maximum FSI of 3.25 for 500 metres radius around the station. MTSU is of the opinion that the government can give maximum of 4 FSI to areas around metro stations but, in this part of Juhu, we can give only up to 3.25 as it is close to the airport and lies within the funnel vision of the airport.’’

MTSU is likely to suggest FSI of 4 for a 500-mt radius area around Shastrinagar station

An MTSU official pointed out that the metro corridors will greatly increase infrastructure of Mumbai, and therefore one should grant more FSI to the regions where stations will be located as the metros will speedily disperse the population.

He further said the government can decide a rate for the extra FSI, and utilise the funds generated thereby for the betterment of city infrastructure and also to finance more metros and monorails.

MTSU has also conducted a second study, at the proposed Shastrinagar station in Goregaon, where a two BHK house costs over a crore at present. MTSU is likely to suggest FSI of 4 for the 500-metre radius area around Shastrinagar station.

Similar studies will soon begin for stations along the Versova-Ghatkopar metro corridor, scheduled to be completed by end 2012, and later will be taken up in areas around the Monorail corridor connecting Chembur with Saat Rasta.

State Chief Secretary Ratnakar Gaikwad said, “This concept is called ‘Transit Oriented Development’ and was suggested by World Bank.

As a result, it was included in our comprehensive transport study. We intend to give some funds (from the sale of extra FSI) to the BMC, as they need to upgrade other infrastructure. We had asked MTSU to conduct the study at Juhu first.”

Infrastructure expert and Tata Realty chief Sanjay Ubale is all for the proposal. “The Metro infrastructure will serve a large number of people and make commuting easier in dense areas. Revenue generated from sale of more FSI must be transferred to a fund solely dedicated for Mumbai's infrastructure,” said Ubale.

However, Pankaj Joshi, executive director of Urban Design Research Institute, said, “Having more FSI at such stations is a good idea. But if the government does it in the absence of augmented utilities and amenities it wouldn't be all that feasible.”

The proposal also did not quite meet with the approval of a BMC deputy municipal commissioner who believes it will only increase congestion.

“One only needs to take a look at Ghatkopar Metro station, where the government allowed FSI of 4 for the Versova-Ghatkopar corridor stations. It has increased congestion and virtually blocked wind flow and sunlight in the area.

On the plus side the government will certainly gain funds, but not many take into account that crowding and congestion will increase,” the DMC said.

Builder Pujit Agarwal of Orbit Corporation is, however, among those who fully support the plan. “I feel that any move that leads to more amenities around public facilities needs to be encouraged,” he said.

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/15/2011040920110409085540973ef705100/Use-Metro-to-fuel-mumbai%E2%80%99s-growth.html

They cannot do so in the first line. Airport proximity.

IMO.. all the rolling stocks of all the metros and monorails in India are very modern and good looking.. be it Bangalore Metro trains, be it the Mumbai ones or Delhi ones (including the standard gauge ones).. Mumbai monorail also looks cool... There is no point in comparing as each of these have its own distinction.. It will always depend on individual likeness...
Our uniqueness lies in our diversity.

Oya! It looks similar to Mumbai's monorail.. No local touch in it, unlike Bangalore Metro's coaches.

More over it is from China..(CSR Corp, China)... Guess on its reliability :lol:

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Nopes Bangalore metro trains looks like a toy and are ugly....just like delhi Standard Guage trains....Mumbai metro looks little better than BM but not great.....Mumbai Monorail looks great though....

Hello All,

May i know when trial runs begin in Mumbai? - As coaches arrived a year ago itself....( I spotted the pics first on http://bit.ly/i0evWI )

Hello All,

May i know when trial runs begin in Mumbai? - As coaches arrived a year ago itself....( I spotted the pics first on http://bit.ly/i0evWI )
Let them first have a track of proper length before trials...

More over it is from China..(CSR Corp, China)... Guess on its reliability :lol:



Its always easy to make comments on the chinese.. wonder where will people be, when the chinese will laugh at us that we don't even have our own metro coach and engine manufacturer 63 yrs after independence. Even our esteemed Indian Railways are stuck with 1960 designs and a mere 120 kmph is touted as SUPERFAST ....

So instead of laughing at chinese we should be inspired from them and try to do something of our own I feel...

^^+1

Its always easy to make comments on the chinese.. wonder where will people be, when the chinese will laugh at us that we don't even have our own metro coach and engine manufacturer 63 yrs after independence. Even our esteemed Indian Railways are stuck with 1960 designs and a mere 120 kmph is touted as SUPERFAST ....

So instead of laughing at chinese we should be inspired from them and try to do something of our own I feel...

Well said..and it is not just railways.. the Chinese are now developing their own commuter aircraft, computer hardware, aircraft carriers etc. while we are busy patting ourselves on the back for ordering 100s of Boeing/Airbus, refurbished navy ships, and a generation or two older laptops from Dell/HP etc. However, this is not the thread to discuss this, so I will not comment any more on this :)

^^ greatly said buddy :lol:

Oya! It looks similar to Mumbai's monorail.. No local touch in it, unlike Bangalore Metro's coaches.
Guess on its reliability :lol:



ROFL ROFL ROFL. what a nitwit. unless you've been stuck under a rock the last 10 years you'd know better to to make a comment like this especially given how India's manufacturing sector's yet to hold a candle against China's. Take a look at the new iphone 4 if you want see an example of Chinese reilability and quality.

Well,

It looks you or many here lack here lack on our capabilities right from Pentium processors to defence manufacturing capabilities...

Father of Pentium Chip - Vinod Dham
http://bit.ly/hJUClm

Indigenous Aircraft Carrier
http://bit.ly/h2qkYX
http://bit.ly/epukZl

Indigenous Naval Ships
http://bit.ly/djYTHT
http://bit.ly/f5Q0IU

The above are examples for a few by our nation... So pls don't simply comment on our Nation.

Thank you...

Well said..and it is not just railways.. the Chinese are now developing their own commuter aircraft, computer hardware, aircraft carriers etc. while we are busy patting ourselves on the back for ordering 100s of Boeing/Airbus, refurbished navy ships, and a generation or two older laptops from Dell/HP etc. However, this is not the thread to discuss this, so I will not comment any more on this :)

Its always easy to make comments on the chinese.. wonder where will people be, when the chinese will laugh at us that we don't even have our own metro coach and engine manufacturer 63 yrs after independence. Even our esteemed Indian Railways are stuck with 1960 designs and a mere 120 kmph is touted as SUPERFAST ....

So instead of laughing at chinese we should be inspired from them and try to do something of our own I feel...

I think its a bit unfair...
Bombadiar has its metro coach manufacturing facility in Gujrat... They are making all the Movia coaches and exporting them.. Its said to be one of the best coaches in the world. Also BEML is manufacturing the Delhi Metro standard gauge coaches in India. If anybody says that these are not good then I can't help it. One needs to take a ride in Delhi Metro.
But it is true that more needs to be done in this regard...
Whatever you said about the Indian Railways,I sort of agree. They are stuck with 1960 designs. But in the recent years, they are also trying to improve (e.g. LHB coaches for Shatabdis, Duronto's and Rajdhani's. Even though they are based on imported Alstom design). But they need to get their act together. Regarding the speed... The general express trains in Japan also runs nearly at the same speed as IR. But in the high end speed section, we have nothing...:bash:

Well,

It looks you or many here lack here lack on our capabilities right from Pentium processors to defence manufacturing capabilities...

Father of Pentium Chip - Vinod Dham
http://bit.ly/hJUClm

Indigenous Aircraft Carrier
http://bit.ly/h2qkYX
http://bit.ly/epukZl

Indigenous Naval Ships
http://bit.ly/djYTHT
http://bit.ly/f5Q0IU

The above are examples for a few by our nation... So pls don't simply comment on our Nation.

Thank you...

Exactly man... People just love to criticize without getting the facts...:bash:
We are a bit behind in some respect and in some we are ahead.

humnn...Indians have achieved alot ....Its just that we don';t hide our problems as chinese do....you'll be amazed to know the level of corruption and other major issues with China which the outside world hardly knows......



Remember..!!!

Never judge a book by its cover.....humnn

Hi,

What is quoted is just a few from recent achievements.... But speaking, Vedas has resources and info even beyond the reaches of Modern Day Science & Scientists.

Due to 300+ years slavery, we have lost our self belief's ....

Exactly man... People just love to criticize without getting the facts...:bash:
We are a bit behind in some respect and in some we are ahead.

Hi,

What is quoted is just a few from recent achievements.... But speaking, Vedas has resources and info even beyond the reaches of Modern Day Science & Scientists.

Due to 300+ years slavery, we have lost our self belief's ....
+1000000000000

I recently visited a exibition on vedic mathematics and we had lot of alternate ways for modren maths eg Pi was there and trignometry was there from the very begening. And the slavery is 1000 years be it partial or full starting from Delhi Sultanet

I thought this was a thread on Mumbai Metro. Let us all not hijack this thread with another round of India v/s China discussions.

@VINBLR : What is the local touch on the Namma Metro coaches that you are referring to? I did not see anything on the coaches which relates to something local that the city of Bangalore is known for and can be identified by people from other Indian cities. If you are referring to the Namma Metro logo on the front, then it is just the logo of an establishment.

I thought this was a thread on Mumbai Metro. Let us all not hijack this thread with another round of India v/s China discussions.

@VINBLR : What is the local touch on the Namma Metro coaches that you are referring to? I did not see anything on the coaches which relates to something local that the city of Bangalore is known for and can be identified by people from other Indian cities. If you are referring to the Namma Metro logo on the front, then it is just the logo of an establishment.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3020/2649236572_12a7932110.jpg

see the lamps

http://www.bangaloremetro.in/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/bangalore-metro-rail-fare-price-300x283.png


:lol:

^^^ GOOD ONE : :lol:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3020/2649236572_12a7932110.jpg

see the lamps

http://www.bangaloremetro.in/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/bangalore-metro-rail-fare-price-300x283.png


:lol:
Look like traffic lights.
Crazy.

Sorry for continuing threadjack but @VINBLR: Do you seriously think that there is any kind of match between China and India w.r.t manufacturing or infrastructure ? Any match ? If you say we are on par, then we are definitely frogs in the well !

can we keep this to the issue at hand?


to be honest looks of a metro hardly a matter so long as it does the job.

people are not going to live inside a coach.


If it can reduce costs and still provide the service needed i am all for it.


and Bnagalore Delhi and Mumbai all have ugly exteriors imo

look at the renders of gurgaon metro, they loon super awesome

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/5142940745_e1321e3f8c_b.jpg
@copyright cybreshot.india

can we keep this to the issue at hand?
to be honest looks of a metro hardly a matter so long as it does the job.
people are not going to live inside a coach.
If it can reduce costs and still provide the service needed i am all for it.
and Bnagalore Delhi and Mumbai all have ugly exteriors imo

Well, IMO...to be true looks does matter a bit.....:)
Also Bnagalore, Delhi and Mumbai metro coaches are very modern and very good looking ... :)

Nets at Metro sites can't keep kids away
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Nets-at-Metro-sites-cant-keep-kids-away/articleshow/7967847.cms

MUMBAI: Efforts are being made to prevent children from entering the Metro construction sites, but it seems the task of keeping them away is tougher than the authorities had imagined.

K P Mahewswari, director, Mumbai Metro One Private Limited (MMOPL), said despite the incident in which two kids drowned at a Metro construction site recently, there are several who try to break through the barricades and are shooed away by the guards.

Maheshwari said they had reported the issue to the police and were expecting them to taken action. "We need the police to take action to prevent such incidents. Some people from the Asalpha area use the barricaded sites as a lavatory in the mornings," he said.

On Saturday, seven boys broke into a Metro site in near Asalpha.They were shooed away by the guards but two returned later for a swim and drowned. Maheshwari said they are printing leaflets on the dangers of breaking into the barricaded areas. "We will also meet the communities to create awareness," he said.

"We have an elaborate safety system, which is audited regularly by an international firm. Unless people are aware and keep out of these areas, we will continue to have problems," he said.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3020/2649236572_12a7932110.jpg

see the lamps

http://www.bangaloremetro.in/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/bangalore-metro-rail-fare-price-300x283.png


:lol:

They both look very similiar. All that's missing is a number pate for the metro :)

What is quoted is just a few from recent achievements.... But speaking, Vedas has resources and info even beyond the reaches of Modern Day Science & Scientists.


Rubbish.

Hi,

What is quoted is just a few from recent achievements.... But speaking, Vedas has resources and info even beyond the reaches of Modern Day Science & Scientists.

Due to 300+ years slavery, we have lost our self belief's ....


ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

^^ For a frog in well, the well looks larger than anything - but when it comes out i will get 2 know there are things much bigger than the well.

To quote "Purushasooktha" - a hymn from Rigveda, which is chanted everyday tells about the creation of Universe & living beings in a broader vein, 1000's of years before the BIG BANG THEORY came to light or being.....

Thank you.

[Note: To all sorry for diverting the topic a bit, but felt essential to reply]

Btw can anyone post the pics of Mumbai Metro's depot... (Feel its already ready :) as their website homepage shows pic of Metro coached housed inside the depot..)

I feel its is essential for Metro authorities in India to give first priority to Station's, Depot's & Underground construction first & second priority to viaduct construction(it can be done much faster)...

I feel Bangalore Metro's launch in Reach 1 is delayed due to wrong prioritization of station and depot work while other reaches (2 & 4) would be delayed due to delay in UG work allocation (its yet 2 start :( )

^^ For a frog in well, the well looks larger than anything - but when it comes out i will get 2 know there are things much bigger than the well.

To quote "Purushasooktha" - a hymn from Rigveda, which is chanted everyday tells about the creation of Universe & living beings in a broader vein, 1000's of years before the BIG BANG THEORY came to light or being.....

Thank you.

[Note: To all sorry for diverting the topic a bit, but felt essential to reply]

What exactly does "Purushasooktha" say about the origin of universe? I found the translation of first verse to be "A thousand heads hath Purusa, a thousand eyes, a thousand feet. On every side pervading earth he fills a space ten fingers wide." The more on http://www.wwnorton.com/college/history/ralph/workbook/ralprs5b.htm. It doesn't seem like anything which is accepted by Modern Science as the theory for the creation of Universe. Can you point out any relevant verses from anywhere in vedas which you think is true to your claim that 'Vedas has resources and info even beyond the reaches of Modern Day Science & Scientists' and justify how?

^^ Well, the link you gave is western interpretation....

You may go through this link

http://www.medhajournal.com/indology/534-purusha-suktam-new-revelations.html

Recently this thread became Bangalore Metro thread II and now Ved Shastra :banana:

^^ Well, the link you gave is western interpretation....

You may go through this link

http://www.medhajournal.com/indology/534-purusha-suktam-new-revelations.html

The link that you provided establishes nothing about your claim. 'Summary of Purusha Suktam' and 'Salient Revelations about Purusha Suktam' sections show that the verses are nothing but at best the qualified mythological guesses about the origin of Earth and Universe in general. Sentences like 'Space is navel, heavenly bodies (galaxies and constellations) head, feet the land, directions give ears, manifests in the form of worlds', show that they understood almost nothing about universe. Of course everybody was able to see Sun, stars, moon, etc. right throughout the humanity. Concerned people have from time to time tried to come up with possible explanations about how they could have possibly come into existence. The stuff given in Vedas is yet another attempt, but definitely not something which can withstand any head on clash with Modern Science.

The operators of the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar (VAG) Metro rail corridor have finalised the ticketing facilities to be provided on the city’s first corridor. Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd (MMOPL), the special purpose vehicle created for the execution of the corridor, has roped in Indra, a premier IT company from Spain, for implementing access control and ticketing for the 11.4-km corridor.

According to MMOPL, the facility will be “sophisticated” and a first of its kind in Mumbai. “The fare collection system that we have planned for the corridor is a sophisticated and flexible one. Various types of tickets will be made available for the convenience of the commuters. The options range from tokens to contact-less smart card to single and return journey tickets,” said K P Maheshwari, director, MMOPL.

Maheshwari added that the 12 stations of the corridor will be equipped with a system based on contact-less technology. “It’s going to be a closed-loop facility for entry or exit into the stations as access will be granted only by validating the ticket to the validation machine. These cards and tickets have an integrated radio frequency chip that will work within centimetres, allowing it to be contact-less,” Maheshwari explained. MMOPL officials said the ticketing system is so sophisticated that it will provide information and statistics about use of the Metro in order to optimise resources and improve service.

Apart from contact-less smart cards, the agency will also provide tokens or electronic coins which are single use radio frequency chips. These tokens will be recovered once the passenger exits the stations so that they can be used again in order to reduce ticket issuing costs. Besides the access control, validation and ticket issuing, Indra’s scope of work will also include reconfiguring the control centre’s systems where fare collection and the amount of cash inside the machines will be recorded. The agency will also handle equipment-related incidents. The MMOPL and Indra have also decided to allow the use of debit cards and credit cards for fare payment. “We have planned the use of debit and credit cards, but we are still to decide whether the payment option will be introduced from day one or not. It might be introduced in a phase-wise manner. Apart from that, online payments are also planned,” Maheshwari said.

Apart from the VAG Metro corridor, which Indra bagged for $ 6.04 million (Rs 26.56 crore), the agency is also setting up the access control, validation and ticket issuing for the country’s first Monorail corridor from Chembur to Jacob Circle via Wadala.

The commissioning of the VAG corridor is running behind its deadline and is now expected to be ready by the first quarter of 2012.

Btw can anyone post the pics of Mumbai Metro's depot... (Feel its already ready :) as their website homepage shows pic of Metro coached housed inside the depot..)



Metro Depot few days back.....not complete yet...

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Mumbai Metro - JP Road Andheri West.


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Mumbai Metro - JP Road Andheri West.


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Mumbai Metro - JP Road Andheri West.

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Mumbai Metro - JP Road Andheri West.

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very nice...

Good job Fuwad.....

I am sure metro wont be operational till late 2012....Construction team is very very slow....

Nice pics fuwad :cheers:

Lovely pics, Fuwad ! Thanks for posting !

Nice pics fuwad :cheers:

+1

What exactly does "Purushasooktha" say about the origin of universe? I found the translation of first verse to be "A thousand heads hath Purusa, a thousand eyes, a thousand feet. On every side pervading earth he fills a space ten fingers wide." The more on http://www.wwnorton.com/college/history/ralph/workbook/ralprs5b.htm. It doesn't seem like anything which is accepted by Modern Science as the theory for the creation of Universe. Can you point out any relevant verses from anywhere in vedas which you think is true to your claim that 'Vedas has resources and info even beyond the reaches of Modern Day Science & Scientists' and justify how?

Good response. The thing about mythical poetry is that we can always put in a great deal of interpretation after the fact - "ten fingers wide? That means that they knew the solution to the Riemann Hypothesis!"

Nice pics Fuwad.
What is the status at Saat Bangla ?

Good response. The thing about mythical poetry is that we can always put in a great deal of interpretation after the fact - "ten fingers wide? That means that they knew the solution to the Riemann Hypothesis!"

Go away !

Go away !
LOL.
:lol:
But can we get back on topic?

I miss living in Bombay.. My favourite city ...

Nice pictures Fuwad.. Would be very surprised if we even have a test run by the end of 2011

Nice pics Fuwad.
What is the status at Saat Bangla ?

didn't go there........but on my last visit, metro station was under construction, work is slow......big mess at Four bungalow......JP road closed for 2 months !

(I just wonder what will happen if they close a main arterial road in south Mumbai their for 2-3 years like JP road near Andheri Station or even for 2-3 months like JP road at Four Bungalows ? What will be the response from the citizens and the media?)

^^
Thanks Fuwad. If work is slow, how can they predict the deadlines as early as January 2012. It is really impossible to believe them for all the deadlines now.

^^ yaar by looking at the pics by Fuwad we can tell that it wont be ready before late 2012...forget about trial runs...structure needs time to come up....See what's happening with bangalore metro!!!commercial run was expected in November last year its may and still no clue....

I hope maha govt give reliance some shock treatment....so that they learn to get the work done on time....

Dont worry!! BM's commercial run starts in couple of months - say 2 to 3...

Guess CMRS is awaiting the completion of Station work 2 ..... The final delay is nearly 8-9 months....

^^ yaar by looking at the pics by Fuwad we can tell that it wont be ready before late 2012...forget about trial runs...structure needs time to come up....See what's happening with bangalore metro!!!commercial run was expected in November last year its may and still no clue....

Forget Reliance as Maha Govt looks to be in state of shock due to shock treatment for non-developmental issues..

Feel Mumbai Metro might be running slow as MMRDA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbai_Metropolitan_Region_Development_Authority)is handling multiple projects ..


Mumbai Urban Transport Project
Mumbai Urban Infrastructure Project
Mumbai Metro Rail Project
Niramal MMR Abhiyan
Mumbai Monorail
Mumbai Skywalks

etc to name a few unlike other cities where these projects are more handled by individual authorities..


I hope maha govt give reliance some shock treatment....so that they learn to get the work done on time....

MMO is slow for a PPP.

Green light for Metro-II , but many hurdles ahead
Ashley D'Mello, TNN | Apr 16, 2011, 06.14am IST

MUMBAI: The Union environment ministry has given clearance to the 32-km phase II of Mumbai Metro. The announcement was made on Friday by the minister, Jairam Ramesh, who was in Mumbai to discuss issues related to environmental clearances for projects in Maharashtra.

The news cheered up officials at Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd (MMOPL), a consortium headed by Reliance Infra, but they said hard work lies ahead.

"The issues with the Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd line will be similar to those faced during the laying of the first line (Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar ): getting a clear right of way along the route and the shifting of utilities like water, power and telephone lines," said a MMOPL official. "Adding to the problem is the fact that the civic authorities do not have proper maps of the layout of the underground utilities. In clearing the path for the Metro, we will have to do guesswork. One wrong move and there will be public outcry against the utilities being hit. Also, bridges need to be built over railway tracks in Bandra, Kurla and Mankhurd."

Phase II is expected to cost Rs 11,500 crore. The construction period will depend on whether the government can give a clear right of way from the beginning , the official said. Referring to the first line, he said the right of way was not given at one go, but in stages, creating delays. "The government took time to rehabilitate hundreds of projectaffected persons occupying residences, commercial establishments and slum tenements lying on the Metro route."

Building the bridges at Bandra, Kurla and Mankhurd will be a tricky business. "Getting the railways to agree to our design and safety norms will not be easy going by our experience during the laying of the first metro line," the official said. "The railway authorities took their time in clearing the design for the bridge near Andheri station. They have a number of norms that are not easy to adhere to."

He said MMOPL also fears protests by citizens. "When the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA; the planning authority for the Metro) discussed with us plans for the second line, citizen groups raised strong objections to the elevated route from Bandra to Vile Parle.

"They preferred an underground route, which would obviate the need for moving hundreds of residences and shops. But the MMRDA ruled out the objections since the cost of an underground route would be three times that of an elevated one. We just hope the protests don't erupt again.

i just have a question, why dont MMOPL officials can afford to build visibility and sound barriers over the viaduct where metro passes from vlp to bandra, like this-

http://www.soundwallsystems.net/resources/STRT400Roswell$2CGA$281$29.jpg

its quite cheap.....
itll solve problems of both the parties.

i just have a question, why dont MMOPL officials can afford to build visibility and sound barriers over the viaduct where metro passes from vlp to bandra, like this-

http://www.soundwallsystems.net/resources/STRT400Roswell$2CGA$281$29.jpg

its quite cheap.....
itll solve problems of both the parties.
I think the JJ Road flyover has those? Not too sure.

i just have a question, why dont MMOPL officials can afford to build visibility and sound barriers over the viaduct where metro passes from vlp to bandra, like this-

http://www.soundwallsystems.net/resources/STRT400Roswell$2CGA$281$29.jpg

its quite cheap.....
itll solve problems of both the parties.

Privacy and sound pollutions are not the only issues with these residents....their main demand is underground metro. They dont want road space to be eaten up by metro pillars..... btw why these visibility and sound barriers only for residents of vlp to bandra ? Why special treatment for them ? Why this discrimination ?

Privacy and sound pollutions are not the only issues with these residents....their main demand is underground metro. They dont want road space to be eaten up by metro pillars..... btw why these visibility and sound barriers only for residents of vlp to bandra ? Why special treatment for them ? Why this discrimination ?
Road space eaten up?
How crazy can they get?

^^

What's wrong with it? It will basically block a lot of traffic taking into account that the Metro passes through the narrow roads of the suburbs.

^^

What's wrong with it? It will basically block a lot of traffic taking into account that the Metro passes through the narrow roads of the suburbs.
For a road with a median, it doesn't take up much space.

^^

What's wrong with it? It will basically block a lot of traffic taking into account that the Metro passes through the narrow roads of the suburbs.

What about VAG corridor ? dosn't it passes through narrow roads ? Will the Metro not block traffic in these areas ?

Thats what I am saying.

In fact it should be underground in all these places because roads cannot really afford to have more space taken up by metro. Only places like EEH and WEH should have elevated roads as well as areas where traffic volume is lower.

Hey I had a question, I saw that Mumbai recently received one or two of their metro cars. They look beautiful!

as seen here:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/commercial-vehicles-india/331295d1271486636t-mumbai-metro-rail-scoop-pics-mumbai-metro-18-.jpg

Where are they actually being held? is it possible for tourists to photograph them? has anyone from the public seen them yet?

The butterfly logo is amazing!

are they at the D N Negar Depot?

Isn't recent ones, but a year old pics(Apr 2010's):ohno:, this i call a worst planning !!!:bash:..

It is like preparing Rasam before getting raw rice from the market to have Rasam meal...(i.e Cooked Rice = Infrastructure & Rasam = Coaches)

Hope this situation won't happen in Chennai.....

Hey I had a question, I saw that Mumbai recently received one or two of their metro cars.
.
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Where are they actually being held? is it possible for tourists to photograph them? has anyone from the public seen them yet?

The butterfly logo is amazing!

are they at the D N Negar Depot?

do you know where they are located?

Hey I had a question, I saw that Mumbai recently received one or two of their metro cars. They look beautiful!

as seen here:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/commercial-vehicles-india/331295d1271486636t-mumbai-metro-rail-scoop-pics-mumbai-metro-18-.jpg

Where are they actually being held? is it possible for tourists to photograph them? has anyone from the public seen them yet?

The butterfly logo is amazing!

are they at the D N Negar Depot?
Butterfly logo?

do you know where they are located?

DN Nagar Depot.... Its Reliance logo.....Will be removed as MMRDA has objected to it. Dont know whether tourist are allowed in there....I think not due to safety precautions.....


Old images of Metro parked at DN Nagar Depot
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In fact it should be underground in all these places because roads cannot really afford to have more space taken up by metro. Only places like EEH and WEH should have elevated roads as well as areas where traffic volume is lower.

Yes thats the point ...it should have been underground at all places......why only between Vile Parle and Bandra ?

Yes thats the point ...it should have been underground at all places......why only between Vile Parle and Bandra ?
UG is expensive boss.

UG is expensive boss.

Will it not be expensive between Vile Parle & Bandra ?

Line 2 Update

Saw soil testing barges on Mithi river marked in circle in the following image

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/2128/clipboard01x.jpg (http://img546.imageshack.us/i/clipboard01x.jpg/)

Where are they actually being held? is it possible for tourists to photograph them? has anyone from the public seen them yet?

The butterfly logo is amazing!

are they at the D N Negar Depot?

The depots are heavily guarded from all sides, even the monorail coaches have arrived. I tried to get some pics of monorail depot to see the coahes but had too many guards around, did managed to see them though, they were wrapped in plastic sheets.

Line 2 Update

Saw soil testing barges on Mithi river marked in circle in the following image

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/2128/clipboard01x.jpg (http://img546.imageshack.us/i/clipboard01x.jpg/)

So they might have pillars IN the Mithi ? I'm surprised as to how thats gotten environmental approval.

So they might have pillars IN the Mithi ? I'm surprised as to how thats gotten environmental approval.
I won't be surprised if they haven't.

Metro-II to connect Western and Central suburbs

India Infoline News Service (http://www.indiainfoline.com/Markets/News/Metro-II-to-connect-Western-and-Central-suburbs/5134297630)

The Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd Metro corridor is a Rs. 82.50bn project and is being implemented on public-private partnership basis.

The ambitious project of Metro Line – II would be the first mass transit project in the Mumbai Metropolitan Region which would directly connect different suburban parts – Western suburbs and Central suburbs. The proposed line for the Metro II would cover Charkop (situated at North-West), Bandra (situated at West and towards Central suburbs) up to Mankhurd.

Mr Rahul Asthana, Metropolitan Commissioner, Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) said, “The objective of Metro rail is to connect the places which are not and cannot be connected directly through existing suburban railway system. Recently, the Mumbai Metro Transport Private Limited (MMTPL) has also achieved financial closure and paved way for the construction of the Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd Metro corridor. The Metro Line – II is very critical and apt for Metro’s objective as it would connect the far-off places which otherwise are too difficult to commute on.”

Moreover, integration with the existing suburban rail system near Bandra, Kurla and Mankhurd will create a perfect synergy for complimentary transit system in the MMR.

The 27 stations on this corridor are – Charkop, Malad (Metro ), Kasturi Park, Bangur Nagar, Oshiwara, Samarth Nagar, Shashtri Nagar, D. N. Nagar, ESIC Nagar, JVPD, Juhu, Vile Parle (Metro), Nanavati Hospital, Arya Samaj Chowk, Khar (Metro), National College, Bandra (Metro), MMRDA, Income Tax Office, Bharat Nagar, Complex Road, Kurla (Metro), S. G. Barve Marg, R. C. Marg, Shivaji Chowk, BSNL, Mankhurd (Metro).

The Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd Metro corridor is a Rs. 82.50bn project and is being implemented on public-private partnership basis

^^ I thought MM1 was also connecting the Western and Central suburbs?

Line 2 Update

Saw soil testing barges on Mithi river marked in circle in the following image

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/2128/clipboard01x.jpg (http://img546.imageshack.us/i/clipboard01x.jpg/)

Are the doing soil testing also for the extension part given to them without any tender i.e charkop to dahisar .

Also will they be building it in one stretch or in phased manner.

Based on the updates on Jaipur metro thread....it may even start operation before mumbai metro....it may be quite surprising .....they stared the metro work/plan 2-3 yrs later and quite likely will finish it up before mumbai.

Based on the updates on Jaipur metro thread....it may even start operation before mumbai metro....it may be quite surprising .....they stared the metro work/plan 2-3 yrs later and quite likely will finish it up before mumbai.Umm maybe because Mumbai is like 10 times bigger than Jaipur?

Umm maybe because Mumbai is like 10 times bigger than Jaipur?

Actually, in terms of area, Mumbai is little more than twice the size of Jaipur. The first lines of both Mumbai Metro and Jaipur Metro are approximately the same length (~10 km). Construction of the Mumbai Metro is indeed taking extraordinarily long; a combination of inadequate planning, poor management and red tape.

What about VAG corridor ? dosn't it passes through narrow roads ? Will the Metro not block traffic in these areas ?

VAG corridor should have been underground;JP road has lost lot of space to the pillars and stations. Now that is not possible, atleast other lines on narrow roads should be safeguarded.

The agency which suggested elevated line for VAG had got it all wrong. It is extremely difficult to build elevated metro on densely populated narrow roads. They almost closed a major part of JP road now till the western end near Costa Coffee. It takes 40-55 minutes to commute to Yari Road from Lokhandwala (3 kms) against 10-15 minutes previously.7 Bungalows and Yari Road residents are suffering a lot because of improper planning.

Actually, in terms of area, Mumbai is little more than twice the size of Jaipur. The first lines of both Mumbai Metro and Jaipur Metro are approximately the same length (~10 km). Construction of the Mumbai Metro is indeed taking extraordinarily long; a combination of inadequate planning, poor management and red tape.
And the fact that there is In situ work going on rather than ex situ.

hmm about line 2

good luck getting it through the areas in the western burbs......

Is there any soil testing activity started in 'Bandra West'?
Expecting worst traffic jams in those areas once the construction activity starts.

^^

2 rounds of soil testing over in the western burbs for Line 2.



hmm about line 2

good luck getting it through the areas in the western burbs......

itz actaully bad luck for people in western burbs.

I really donno why these babus and netas are hell bent on spending huge amounts on loss making sea links (which cater to less than 1% of the population), instead of investing in underground metro.

Why is everybody busy howling for a UG metro?

In short, it will reduce all the commotion happening from the OH metro, use less space (in fact, won't have to worry about losing space on the roads, passing through the narrow roads). The trains won't be passing next to the buildings as close as a few meters. In fact, it would solve a lot of problems.

Only problem: Cost issues. I guess from the number of the times the project's deadline getting delayed and escalation of costs resulting from this, an UG metro's cost shouldn't be a big issue then, right?

While crossing the FOB above andheri railway lines could see work going on between the tracks. A huge rectangle shaped space (apparantly for viaduct) is being worked on. The speed of work seems good now. Andheri station structure has already reached the third storey.

Only problem: Cost issues. I guess from the number of the times the project's deadline getting delayed and escalation of costs resulting from this, an UG metro's cost shouldn't be a big issue then, right?
It'd be worse.

Cost Issue is not really the factor. Costs for building UG metros are really competitive if you look at the demand for mass transit in mumbai. But the problem is maintenance. UG metro has very high maintenance costs and requires high standards of safety and hygiene. something we can never dream of having on a continuous basis. at most when a minister visits or something..

Cost Issue is not really the factor. Costs for building UG metros are really competitive if you look at the demand for mass transit in mumbai. But the problem is maintenance. UG metro has very high maintenance costs and requires high standards of safety and hygiene. something we can never dream of having on a continuous basis. at most when a minister visits or something..
Yes, we can use Kolkata as an example.

well the fact is that the metro has a captive market when it comes to rider-ship.

your still talking about demand exceeding capacity.They will make a good profit even if they construct it underground.


Just imagine the volume of people of coming through. due to higher population density of mumbai.


Your talking about easily 4-5 million odd people who live within 1km walking distance from a station in line 2.(and growing)




If all the roads were as wide as the BKC section this is passing through then fine no issues.

If anything the views from the metro with natural light coming through will be awesome.



but its just too jam packed. This means somebody (in many cases rightly) will file a PIL. You will need to destroy a few buildings.



The biggest issue is Charkhop to bandra. Some 8 million people live in the western suburbs.

There were some reports in newspapers, sometime back, regarding extension of charkop end of metro till dahisar, Any news on that?

First let's get some news for charkop one itself...then we we can look for extension..:)

question for proponents of U/G construction of Mumbai metro - have you seen how cramped the stations are above ground? Try to imagine an underground platform like that. also, imagine if there is a rake failure or a panic scenario in an underground station, how will you evacuate safely?

Also, with increasing population and demands, we have increased the length of rakes from 6 to 9 to 12 and now 15 rakes.. it was hard enough to do this extension above ground, imagine the chaos to do platform/rake extension underground. There are building foundations, underground utilities, probably high water table issues as well. While an elevated metro will also have problems with rake extension it is not as bad as underground.

Indian Railways took 16 years to construct 20 km patch for 5th and 6th line between kurla and thane , even though the encroachment were only on 15 to 20 % land .

Comparatively METRO line 1 is build at much faster pace , altogether new project ,new stations 11 nos , new line . The work has been delayed of mumbai metro 1 mainly due to govt and politicians hurdle...

We should feel happy atleast a private party has been hired for building the metro. Yes the cost is high , the developer will make good returns in long run .. but ultimately it will be returned back to stake holders but in the other case the maintenance cost in 10 years is more than the actual capital expenditure , also we have to make compromise on quality of construction.

^^ because it has no relation with IR. its made as per Mumbai tramways act. someone had a very wise mind in finding this in order to reduce time in land reclamation. though still 2-3 yrs went in land recl.

about updates-

Now OHE poles are fitted near apna bazar (andheri W) side and right from JB nagar station to holy family junction. Just loved that FLAT SLAB work at holy family junction- imagine 3 flat slabs back to back! its wonderful. P.S. by flat slab i mean something
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in SIDE view.

^^ because it has no relation with IR. its made as per Mumbai tramways act. someone had a very wise mind in finding this in order to reduce time in land reclamation. though still 2-3 yrs went in land recl.

about updates-

Now OHE poles are fitted near apna bazar (andheri W) side and right from JB nagar station to holy family junction. Just loved that FLAT SLAB work at holy family junction- imagine 3 flat slabs back to back! its wonderful. P.S. by flat slab i mean something
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in SIDE view.
A photograph please. :)
Does every state have a Tramway act?

'Metro wreaking havoc on localities'

Bella Jaisinghani | Apr 25, 2011, 01.17am IST

MUMBAI: Social networks and picture-sharing websites are aflush with complaints and photographs posted by residents affected by the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar corridor of the Mumbai Metro. They protest that roads were built to accommodate traffic metres away, not rail tracks outside the window.

All along the Metro's 12-km route, people are grumbling about the railway corridor that is coming up outside their balconies and bedrooms. Trees, birds and motorable roads have been lost to heavy construction that not only blocks out the sun and the wind but brings the frightening prospect of milling crowds and noise pollution.

Noise barriers and view cutters will be provided outside stretches like Amitabh Bachchan's Juhu residence, according to officials, but the rest might have to get accustomed to intrusion. Among them will be a maternity home in Andheri, which will have to suffer the rude jolt of the Versova local trundling by every three minutes.

"Commuting was a breeze along the wide six-lane Jayprakash Road that leads from Andheri station to Versova. Now residents barely open their windows. Since the last three years we have been suffering pollution because of the 24-hour construction work," says Ashok Nayak, a resident of Eversweet Apartment at Seven Bungalows.

Near Andheri station, the owner of Sony Mony Electronics recently renovated his showroom at a huge cost. "Now access is barred because the escalator for the station is being constructed at our doorstep," says Ramesh Shah. "Let alone park their cars, customers cannot even step in. Business on J P Road is down by 70% since Metro work began."

The Shahs approached Reliance Metro officials, requesting them to alter the layout by a few feet to a dilapidated building nearby, but nothing came of it. A Reliance spokesperson said they have a "limited to no role in the design of the Metro. It is the MMRDA that prepares and approves the plans".

"Property rates have begun to plummet in areas that were once considered prime locations. There are sound pollution norms to 'protect' the ailing, senior citizens, children and pets during cultural festivals, but how do we deal with a train outside the window?" says Sharad Shah, a Saki Naka businessman who has been watching the slow pace of construction destroy his livelihood.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Metro-wreaking-havoc-on-localities/articleshow/8075838.cms

The car shed at 4 Bunglows Andheri West. Picture taken from my home.

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The car shed at 4 Bunglows Andheri West. Picture taken from my home.

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which will have to suffer the rude jolt of the Versova local trundling by every three minutes.
It's a Bloody METRO, not a Local train.
These trains don't make much noise.

question for proponents of U/G construction of Mumbai metro - have you seen how cramped the stations are above ground? Try to imagine an underground platform like that. also, imagine if there is a rake failure or a panic scenario in an underground station, how will you evacuate safely?

Also, with increasing population and demands, we have increased the length of rakes from 6 to 9 to 12 and now 15 rakes.. it was hard enough to do this extension above ground, imagine the chaos to do platform/rake extension underground. There are building foundations, underground utilities, probably high water table issues as well. While an elevated metro will also have problems with rake extension it is not as bad as underground.

Hmm, have you visited underground stations. Check out Delhi (especially CP) and Calcutta (or may be abroad). They are more spacier than elevated ones, because the space is all urs. You seem to say that peopel panic in all the underground metro across the world in case of failure.

There is no need for extension into 15 rakes because Metro has better signalling (And if you put 15 rakes, the 1st rake will be in Versova while teh last will still be in DN Nagar). Even if it is the case, how is that it is not possible in underground.

In fact, Charkop-Colabo requires double line (may be one fast line), with very high traffic traffic volume, which is possible only in underground (You can reserve space in underground for future expansion, while drilling or go further deep). In future it would be difficult to build elevated lines if multiple lines are required.

And who discovered that the utilities is a problem for underground metro.Any proof? In fact it is worse in case of elevated. Check out the problems during construction of Line1 in Andheri W.These utilities are just 3-10 feet deep, which will not cause big issue for underground.

Bottomline: Except for cost,there is no cons (relative to elevated) in underground. But the extra cost is worth in case of Mumbai.

Bottomline: Except for cost,there is no cons (relative to elevated) in underground. But the extra cost is worth in case of Mumbai.
Applies to all cities.

Hmm, have you visited underground stations. Check out Delhi (especially CP) and Calcutta (or may be abroad). They are more spacier than elevated ones, because the space is all urs. You seem to say that peopel panic in all the underground metro across the world in case of failure.

There is no need for extension into 15 rakes because Metro has better signalling (And if you put 15 rakes, the 1st rake will be in Versova while teh last will still be in DN Nagar). Even if it is the case, how is that it is not possible in underground.

In fact, Charkop-Colabo requires double line (may be one fast line), with very high traffic traffic volume, which is possible only in underground (You can reserve space in underground for future expansion, while drilling or go further deep). In future it would be difficult to build elevated lines if multiple lines are required.

And who discovered that the utilities is a problem for underground metro.Any proof? In fact it is worse in case of elevated. Check out the problems during construction of Line1 in Andheri W.These utilities are just 3-10 feet deep, which will not cause big issue for underground.

Bottomline: Except for cost,there is no cons (relative to elevated) in underground. But the extra cost is worth in case of Mumbai.
I have travelled in Toronto (I live here), NY and London. Most of their subway stations are old and haven't kept up with increasing volumes. In rush hour, in some cases, people are packed together with very little room for maneuvering.

In the downtown core of Toronto, even if they want to expand the platform for longer rakes, they cant as the stations are connected to buildings and foundations get in the way. If it is not building utilities, it is water & sewage pipes (the utilities I mentioned) that can get in the way.

I am not saying that elevated platforms won't have these problems, but the cost factor of expansion of an underground network is significantly higher. Obviously it is easier to plan and build for it now then spend on it later (i.e tunnel for a 10-car rake but start with 6 etc.) but long-term thinking/planning is not our strong point

Applies to all cities.

Beg to differ. Subway economics don't make sense to a lot of cities.

In a high density city like Mumbai, we need underground because it is chaotic enough at street level as is. If you want to add to noise pollution, chaos, and aesthetic rotting of the city then build elevated and save some money, without realizing that you're taking up already limited road space and will need more clearances to shift not only utilities but in many cases peoples residences as well.

And then there's the countless PILs that people file because the Metro is passing right by their bathtub. You simply CANNOT raid a resident's privacy by building on such narrow roads.

BKC and Navi Mumbai are exceptions because they have the infrastructure in place to accommodate elevated lines.

You said you have been to NYC, Toronto, and London. As have I, and do you notice what is common in the areas where these lines are U/G? It's DAMN CROWDED at surface. In NYC for example when you go to Bronx, Brooklyn, or Queens lines become elevated or at grade because there is space to support it.

Imagine all the lines near Wall Street came above ground, or the T in downtown Boston were elevated, or the Tube ran at surface in the core areas. What chaos would ensue???

NYC took down their elevated lines on second, third, and ninth avenues as traffic increased in the 1940s and 1950s because it was becoming madness.

UNDERGROUND IS WORTH THE MONEY IN DENSE CITIES. Even compare to Delhi, the roads there are wider to support elevated but in places like CP and Old Delhi, they went U/G because its necessary.

What people dont understand about Mumbai is that Western Suburbs are the most crowded areas of the city. Andheri East alone has over 20 lakh population. South Mumbai, in fact is less crowded and dense than Western Suburbs. But again, cant go elevated there either because too much traffic, too narrow roads, and can't ruin heritage structures.

I have a question for everyone.... we can debate here forever over Elevated vs UG but what can we actually DO to influence MMRDA and builders involved??? Anyone with answers please respond here or PM me I'll do the needful... I don't want this city going any further into hell. :bash:

well asthetics rotting hmm to be honest i think the metro will add to the asthetics of the area through which is passed.

I mean honestly what is aesthetically pleasing about say saki naka? or for that matter ghatkopar west?



I am all for say it being underground but please no asthetics arguments seriously.



Noise too i think wont be an issue. It will be quiet.



I just think there will be chaos at the stations and impact traffic.




Just connect bandra to kurla first on the second line via bkc. That link is extremely important.

Even with the cost factor, its not as much as its made out to be. The cost factor is a one time hit. THe only real worry about a UG metro is that it wud take ages to complete under MMRDA or any state agency who are directly controlled by state government. Dont believe me? Look at the ridiculous student engineering project called the BWSL that passes off for an "engineering marvel" in our country. Who in their right mind would end a sea link directly on to a road without a clover leaf...

On the other hand look at what e sreedharan achieved in Delhi when he was given control. He built a whole network of metros in a decade..... And we are building one piddly little 11km metro for the last 3 years...

last 3 years...?? 3 yrs of active construction on -site. many more years behind the scene. 2006 is when soil testing started ( from initial pages of this thread).

Also look at Jaipur Metro. for almost similar length of line they are way ahead.
The biggest mistake by Mumbai Metro is Control of MMRDA. was it done by DMRC scenario would have been totally different and the most horrifying thing is MMRDA continues to work in the same fashion for other lines..this way what Delhi achieved in 10 yrs..Mumbai will talke 30 yrs.

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"Commuting was a breeze along the wide six-lane Jayprakash Road that leads from Andheri station to Versova. Now residents barely open their windows. Since the last three years we have been suffering pollution because of the 24-hour construction work," says Ashok Nayak, a resident of Eversweet Apartment at Seven Bungalows.



Eh, what? JP Road ? A "breeze"? No argument about the trouble the metro is causing, but seriously, the last time commuting on JP Road was a breeze, Rajiv Gandhi was probably still PM

Eh, what? JP Road ? A "breeze"? No argument about the trouble the metro is causing, but seriously, the last time commuting on JP Road was a breeze, Rajiv Gandhi was probably still PM
ROFL.
Naha, it was nice back in 1998-1999.

since Andheri became a hub for jobs in the 00s. its been extremely busy

^^ Hmm.. lots of offices in Malad, Kandiwali etc etc

since Andheri became a hub for jobs in the 00s. its been extremely busy
Yes. That way we were all delighted when Andheri was chosen to be part of the Metro, but the way it is going, this smiley describes thnigs. --> :bash:

I just think there will be chaos at the stations and impact traffic.


If they are building skywalks connecting metro and subarban stations then it may not be a bigger chaos compared to UG.

Also You feel better travelling on elevated corridor than UG. Anyways this is never ending debate.
I don't think line 1 will be operational before Mar 2013 and Line 2 before 2017. Other Phases and lines we just have to hope.

If they are building skywalks connecting metro and subarban stations then it may not be a bigger chaos compared to UG.

Also You feel better travelling on elevated corridor than UG. Anyways this is never ending debate.
I don't think line 1 will be operational before Mar 2013 and Line 2 before 2017. Other Phases and lines we just have to hope.
That late?
What is the status of the East West bridge and the WEH cable bridge?

If they are building skywalks connecting metro and subarban stations then it may not be a bigger chaos compared to UG.

Also You feel better travelling on elevated corridor than UG. Anyways this is never ending debate.
I don't think line 1 will be operational before Mar 2013 and Line 2 before 2017. Other Phases and lines we just have to hope.

hmm dude trust me

that metro route goes through some real shit hole areas atleast on the eastern side.

Also the distance between the elevated corridor and some buildings is less than few meters. Which also worried me from a security pov.


MMDRA made a big mistake starting this line.


should have started with Bandra-Kurla-Mankhurd line which had big wide roads along BKC road and even the chumber side which has some space.

hmm dude trust me

that metro route goes through some real shit hole areas atleast on the eastern side.

Also the distance between the elevated corridor and some buildings is less than few meters. Which also worried me from a security pov.


MMDRA made a big mistake starting this line.


should have started with Bandra-Kurla-Mankhurd line which had big wide roads along BKC road and even the chumber side which has some space.
So you're more bothered over what is easier than what will provide relief?

By 2011 65 km of network was supposed to be built.Now not even 11 km is built.Mumbai metro is going at snails speed.

So you're more bothered over what is easier than what will provide relief?

I am just saying maybe MMDRA needed to connect the bigger junctions of Bandra and Kurla with each other along BKC road which is wide enough to easily construct a metro.


Kurla is way more important a station than ghatkopar ever will be. Its the primary node at which the navi mumbai or harbour line crowd get off at.


Secondly Bandra Kurla complex as a commercial destination is way more important than Andheri.Office space is rapidly being added in the region. Infact it terms of office space being added (grade a) BKC is leading every other part of the city.



Not saying we should not have Andheri Ghatkopar link. However it would have been nicer had they decided to atleast get something off the ground we would already have one metro line operational.

last 3 years...?? 3 yrs of active construction on -site. many more years behind the scene. 2006 is when soil testing started ( from initial pages of this thread).

Also look at Jaipur Metro. for almost similar length of line they are way ahead.
The biggest mistake by Mumbai Metro is Control of MMRDA. was it done by DMRC scenario would have been totally different and the most horrifying thing is MMRDA continues to work in the same fashion for other lines..this way what Delhi achieved in 10 yrs..Mumbai will talke 30 yrs.

... now if only Mumbai roads on selected routes are as big as Delhi's ....

Imagine, for some reason, if DMRC had to construct metro at level or on bridges in the heart of delhi like CS or Connaught place, or thru Karolbagh market (Ajmal Khan Road) - that too as the first line, will DMRC still pull thru within the deadlines ?

... now if only Mumbai roads on selected routes are as big as Delhi's ....

Imagine, for some reason, if DMRC had to construct metro at level or on bridges in the heart of delhi like CS or Connaught place, or thru Karolbagh market (Ajmal Khan Road) - that too as the first line, will DMRC still pull thru within the deadlines ?

May be..may be not..but they had already built so many lines..making them an active partner in mumbai metro would have sure helped as it is helping the Jaipur metro. No where I am advocating that DMRC should construct all metros in India, but neglecting their expertise is like re-inventing the wheel and by doing so it's only public who suffers both by extra money and by time.

That late?


Complete civil work wont be completed by Diwali 2012 (that too looking at track record of MMRDA looks difficult). Then by Namma Metro experience it will take 6 more months for tests ,opening ticket counters etc etc . March 2013 looks somewhat realistic date.

May be..may be not..but they had already built so many lines..making them an active partner in mumbai metro would have sure helped as it is helping the Jaipur metro. No where I am advocating that DMRC should construct all metros in India, but neglecting their expertise is like re-inventing the wheel and by doing so it's only public who suffers both by extra money and by time.
+1 DMRC and MMRDA combined should look into the Metro. I will not have any qualms even if its completely controlled by DMRC.

About the completion--

in maharashtra times yesterday news was that MM civil works would be done by nov, cable stayed bridge by aug, E-W bridge at andheri by oct, asalfa station by sept end. then tracklaying and signalling and testing will take 6 months and metro will be ready by May 2012. So 1 more year to go................

Complete civil work wont be completed by Diwali 2012 (that too looking at track record of MMRDA looks difficult). Then by Namma Metro experience it will take 6 more months for tests ,opening ticket counters etc etc . March 2013 looks somewhat realistic date.

Completely agree, any thing earlier than that would be a bonus.

About the completion--

in maharashtra times yesterday news was that MM civil works would be done by nov, cable stayed bridge by aug, E-W bridge at andheri by oct, asalfa station by sept end. then tracklaying and signalling and testing will take 6 months and metro will be ready by May 2012. So 1 more year to go................

If that happens well and good, but we all know the track record of MMRDA .

Andheri bridge by oct seems doubtful given that they have categorically said it takes 8-9 months, and I don't think much work has been done so far

hmm dude trust me

that metro route goes through some real shit hole areas atleast on the eastern side.

Also the distance between the elevated corridor and some buildings is less than few meters. Which also worried me from a security pov..

Correction: it is few inches in many cases.


MMDRA made a big mistake starting this line.


should have started with Bandra-Kurla-Mankhurd line which had big wide roads along BKC road and even the chumber side which has some space.

IR will be a problem there too. Bandra Station is no different from Andheri Station. In fact it is worse on the eastern side with slums .Without integrating Bandra station,it is of not much use.

I am sure that there are more problems on the eastern side in Line 2 than western side, just like in Line 1. Just that the people are more vocal on western side.

IR will be a problem there too.

IR will be not a problem, but a TRIPLE problem for line 2, given that cross-overs are planned at Bandra, Kurla and Mankhurd, two of which are extremely major intersections with issues matching, if not worse than , that of Andheri.

Also, given that we already have SCLR crossing over at Kurla , IR may have double objections to another bridge close by.

Line 2 seems totally doomed. I read today that JICA wants to finance it, and some time ago there was an article saying financial closure is completed. WTF?

I read a post saying they will need more than two tracks for Bandra Charkop.
I don't think so.
It is a Metro, dedicated corridor. No switches, no sharing with Long Distance.
Also, there is a reversing track at each end so two will be enough.

I read a post saying they will need more than two tracks for Bandra Charkop.
I don't think so.
It is a Metro, dedicated corridor. No switches, no sharing with Long Distance.
Also, there is a reversing track at each end so two will be enough.

I think it might not be a bad idea for the colaba-bandra-charkop section to be quadruple track and for that matter thane-hutatma chowk section too. This will allow for 2 slow lines and 2 express lines on each section. It can take off a lot of the load off the suburban network and the railways can focus more on services to distant destinations like kasara, dahanu, khopoli e.t.c. I f I am recollect correctly NYC has some quadruple tracked metro sections.

NYC can do it (quadruple tracks) because it does not operate independent lines. Routes share common lines. So in the city centre where many routes converge, they can have quadruple tracks and double tracks for rest of the city. Elsewhere metro lines are mostly independent of each other which means either complete line has to be quadruple or double, which obviously will almost double the cost. It's better to have 2 different lines with double tracks than a single line with 2 tracks.

Decks cleared for racecourse car shed

Published: Friday, Apr 29, 2011, 3:00 IST
By Sudhir Suryawanshi | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA

The Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation (BMC) will change the horse tabela (stable) reservation at Mahalaxmi Racecourse for the construction of the underground metro and monorail parking shed at Mahalaxmi. The corporation will bring the change of reservation proposal in BMC’s improvements committee meeting soon.

According to senior civic officials, the state government’s urban development department has written to the BMC asking to clear all hurdles pertaining to the metro and monorail projects for its early execution. “The MMRDA has asked us to waive the octroi and property tax, and clear illegal construction on the land where the metro route will come up,” he said.

MMRDA will develop an underground car shed in 17 hectares of plot at the Mahalaxmi Racecourse. This car shed facility has been created for metro project III that will connect Colaba, Mahim and Bandra. The route from Colaba to Mahim will be underground and the Mahim to Bandra metro will be elevated. It will consist of Mantralaya, Churchgate, Mahalaxmi, Worli and Mahim stations and this same line will be extended up to the airport at Santa Cruz.

“We are preparing a proposal for change of user from racecourse to other activities. And subsequently, it will be tabled before the BMC’s improvements committee meeting soon. After approval of this committee, the state government will issue a notification inviting suggestions and objections. It will take at least a couple of months to complete the procedure. We are making it our top priority. The proposed car shed will be underground so it will not affect horse races and related activities,” he said.

Initially, the government had identified 28 hectares of land at Backbay Reclamation for the proposed car shed. However, in the feasibility study, it was found that Backbay Reclamation falls under Coastal regulation zone (CRZ) - I where commercial development is restricted. It would also have hampered the ecological balance through soil erosion. In addition, it would have cost much more to rehabilitate the slum dwellers there to acquire the land.

“So, as an alternate place, we identified Mahalaxmi Racecourse. We have had a couple of meetings with the civic chief and hope that things move fast. There should be no delays in the metro project,” said a Mantralaya official.
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_decks-cleared-for-racecourse-car-shed_1537270

MMRDA wants to explore ‘third rail’ system

Published: Friday, Apr 29, 2011, 3:00 IST
By DNA Correspondent | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA

In what could be considered as a major technical change in the design of the rakes of Mumbai metro, the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) has asked the Reliance Infrastructure led consortium constructing the second line of metro to check whether a “third rail” method of traction is more suitable in supplying electricity to the metro operations as compared to a conventional 25 kv AC traction system- which provides supply from above the metro rakes.

MMRDA metropolitan commissioner Rahul Asthana said that the authority wants the Mumbai Metro Transport Pvt Ltd (MMTPL), the Reliance Infrastructure led consortium to check if such a change is possible and feasible. “The Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar (VAG) corridor, which will be the first to be commissioned, will have the normal 25 kv AC traction with pantograph on the head of the metro rakes. However, there is a general perception that this method of providing electric supply may look aesthetically bad. Moreover, the height at which the metro will run makes it even a potential safety issue. Many place through the alignment; it will pass very closely from the nearby buildings- many of them residential. Hence we have asked the MMTPL which will be constructing the Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd (CBM) metro to check out the third rail methodology,” said Asthana.

Under the third rail methodology, an additional track is laid between the two tracks of up and down metro lines. The third line- more popularly known as “third rail” is a method of providing electric supply to a railway train through a conductor placed alongside or between the rails of a railway track. It is used typically in a mass transit or rapid transit system, which is normally fully segregated from the outside environment. In mist cases, this third rail systems supply direct current (DC) electricity. In contrary to this technique, a pantograph is a device that collects electric current from the overhead lines (which is seen on the suburban trains in Mumbai) and supplies it to the rakes.

According to Asthana, world over the Mass Rapid Transit System (MRTS) do use such technique. “It is run on the 750 volts DC power. I am sure if tried in metro, it will make the system much safer as compared to the overhead electrification,” opined the official.

Officials of the Indian Railway evoked mixed reactions over the third rail proposal by MMRDA.
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_mmrda-wants-to-explore-third-rail-system_1537271

While I know you will stone me for this, [People say 3rd Rail is more aesthetic etc. than an overhead catenary].
I don't want Mumbai metro to go for Third Rail ...
Stick to a 25kV OH line.

While I know you will stone me for this, [People say 3rd Rail is more aesthetic etc. than an overhead catenary].
I don't want Mumbai metro to go for Third Rail ...
Stick to a 25kV OH line.

DUDE why u interfering in mumbai city ur frm bangalore na so why dont u write all dis crap in ur site and they must have thought alot before taking dis matter so ur presence in unethical!!!!!!!!

NYC can do it (quadruple tracks) because it does not operate independent lines. Routes share common lines. So in the city centre where many routes converge, they can have quadruple tracks and double tracks for rest of the city. Elsewhere metro lines are mostly independent of each other which means either complete line has to be quadruple or double, which obviously will almost double the cost. It's better to have 2 different lines with double tracks than a single line with 2 tracks.

Why will the cost be double? Especially in case of underground, it will just be laying tracks and providing extra amneties for the increse in volume of passengers. The cost may be utmost 1.5 times, I think. Am I missing something.

Mumbai's geography does not allow another parallel line in the western suburbs to take the volume. It is absolutely useless to pass it through SV Road as Suburban line is pretty close and a part of Metro already runs through it. Further Mumbai's geograophy requires fast lines even within city limits, unlike other cities.

DUDE why u interfering in mumbai city ur frm bangalore na so why dont u write all dis crap in ur site and they must have thought alot before taking dis matter so ur presence in unethical!!!!!!!!

:nuts:
this is ridiculous to say the least :bash:

Practise what you preach Rohan Punjabi and get your rear end to "your own site" then. The only "crap" I see in this thread is from you.

I'm Hyderabadi living in Dubai and I visit Mumbai more often than I vist Hyderabad. Regardless, to each his own opinion. You can't tell someone to refrain from posting what they think is right.

As far as I know, SSCi is for all Indians - you want to create regionalism good for you. All I can say is that it's not appreciated. Have a good day.

DUDE why u interfering in mumbai city ur frm bangalore na so why dont u write all dis crap in ur site and they must have thought alot before taking dis matter so ur presence in unethical!!!!!!!!

Go Away !!

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April 16th 2011

Ghatkopar station

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Mumbai metro

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DUDE why u interfering in mumbai city ur frm bangalore na so why dont u write all dis crap in ur site and they must have thought alot before taking dis matter so ur presence in unethical!!!!!!!!

Bad comment....

DUDE why u interfering in mumbai city ur frm bangalore na so why dont u write all dis crap in ur site and they must have thought alot before taking dis matter so ur presence in unethical!!!!!!!!

i am with you my punjabi friend. lets fight against India and make mumbai and bangalore two different countries. that will teach a lesson to them bangaloreans.

DUDE why u interfering in mumbai city ur frm bangalore na so why dont u write all dis crap in ur site and they must have thought alot before taking dis matter so ur presence in unethical!!!!!!!!
As if your presence is Ethical?
Because I lived there for 12 bloody years and still visit the damn place every six months.
Fine, I'll reduce my posts here.
If I find you spewing nonsense in Chennai related threads, I'll say the same to YOU.
Practise what you preach Rohan Punjabi and get your rear end to "your own site" then. The only "crap" I see in this thread is from you.

I'm Hyderabadi living in Dubai and I visit Mumbai more often than I vist Hyderabad. Regardless, to each his own opinion. You can't tell someone to refrain from posting what they think is right.

As far as I know, SSCi is for all Indians - you want to create regionalism good for you. All I can say is that it's not appreciated. Have a good day.

Sorry bro, but this guy is right you know.
We non residents of the city have no idea what is going on. No matter how frequent our visits are, we still are Outsiders.

Why will the cost be double? Especially in case of underground, it will just be laying tracks and providing extra amneties for the increse in volume of passengers. The cost may be utmost 1.5 times, I think. Am I missing something.

Of course it would. By double I don't mean exactly 2.0 times but it could be 1.7 times more expensive. You would need 4 tunnels instead of 2 to carry 4 tracks. You would need stations twice as wide to accommodate 4 platforms (in case of stations where fast trains stop).

Of course it would. By double I don't mean exactly 2.0 times but it could be 1.7 times more expensive. You would need 4 tunnels instead of 2 to carry 4 tracks. You would need stations twice as wide to accommodate 4 platforms (in case of stations where fast trains stop).
Yes, but that is if done at one go. If it is later expansion, inflation and other factors will increase the cost.
Knowing our city planners, you know what will happen..

As if your presence is Ethical?
Because I lived there for 12 bloody years and still visit the damn place every six months.
Fine, I'll reduce my posts here.
If I find you spewing nonsense in Chennai related threads, I'll say the same to YOU..

Why do you want to stoop down to his level. just ignore him .

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Is that an MMRDA skywalk or a part of MM1?
DUDE why u interfering in mumbai city ur frm bangalore na so why dont u write all dis crap in ur site and they must have thought alot before taking dis matter so ur presence in unethical!!!!!!!!

I only said that because third rail is always 750V DC. DC is more expensive and difficult to generate and transmit as opposed to AC, which we find in the OHC.

Of course it would. By double I don't mean exactly 2.0 times but it could be 1.7 times more expensive. You would need 4 tunnels instead of 2 to carry 4 tracks. You would need stations twice as wide to accommodate 4 platforms (in case of stations where fast trains stop).

Fine. But still it is the only feasibe solution. But with the kinda planners, we have, it is not going to happen.

The elevated route means no expansion of metro (quadraping tracks) and no improvement in the road network (in the form of flyovers and elevated roads) at major junctions in future. And this happens in a place which has a consistent density of over 50k throughout with some places reaching 75k -1 lakh.

sad to see the pillars already defaced by nonsense advertisements.... shame on all of us.. we can never keep our cities beautiful.

METRO-2 MAY BYPASS BANDRA STATION ROAD

To Avoid Land Acquisition Problems, Chief Sec Proposes Alternative Route That Includes Mahim

Sandeep Ashar & Ashley Dmello | TNN (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Metro-2-may-bypass-Bandra-station-road/articleshow/8123302.cms)

Even as Mumbai Metro Transport Private Limited is close to finalizing plans for the Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd line, state chief secretary Ratnakar Gaikwad has asked planners to consider changing a portion of the proposed alignment to avoid land acquisition problems. In a recent meeting, he asked Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) officials to explore the option of changing the corridor alignment for a two-kmstretch at the Bandra end of the line. Gaikwad, who was the MMRDA commissioner before taking charge as the state chief secretary, said the reason he asked for a re-evaluation of existing plans was to overcome contentious issues involving land acquisition in Bandra. After covering the distance from Charkop to National College at Bandra along Linking Road, the alignment—as per the original proposal—runs along the Station Road at Bandra, before taking a turn towards the Bandra Kurla Complex. Land acquisition for the project for this stretch of the route is considered to be a contentious issue. Commercial shops and hawkers line the narrow road. A three-storey mosque, slum structures and a skywalk—which was recently set up—are also expected to make land acquisition and project work difficult.
The chief secretary said he had asked officials to explore the option of avoiding the station road entirely. “The Metro could instead use S V Road up to Mahim junction before turning towards the Bandra Kurla Complex,” he said.
A senior MMRDA official pointed out that the proposed alignment steers clear of the mosque and slums. But using the S V Road route will also mean dismantling a portion of skywalk, which connects S V Road to Bandra station.
The corridor is proposed to cover a 32-km stretch from Charkop to Bandra to Mankhurd, and is expected to be constructed at the cost of Rs 8,250 crore. The Mumbai Metro Transport Private Limited (MMTPL), a special-purpose vehicle for setting up the
corridor, is in the process of finalizing the alignment. MMRDA officials said that designs for the final alignment were yet to be frozen and recommendations for changes in the proposed alignment could be discussed and explored.
MMTPL achieved financial closure for the project recently, and work on the corridor is expected to begin next month. It is scheduled for completion by December 2015.

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MMRDA closer to getting land for rakes

Sandeep Ashar & Ashley Dmello | TNN (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/8123322.cms)

Mumbai: The Maharashtra government plans to fast track work for all the nine Metro corridors and proposed monorail routes. Land availability for car sheds had slowed down the work for the first two Metro corridors. Now, however, the government has processed the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority’s (MMRDA) proposal for reservation of 14 plots for the use of car sheds and depots for all proposed corridors.
These car sheds and depots are meant for servicing and parking rakes when not in use, and usually require large tracts of land.
MMRDA, in its proposal—which it had submitted to the state government earlier this year—has staked its claim on 14 plots, which include private land and those that have already been reserved for public purposes.
According to state officials, the Urban Development (UD) department has said that the MMRDA’s proposal is feasible and desirable in the case of most plots. The file is now with state chief minister Prithviraj Chavan, who also holds the UD cabinet minister’s portfolio.
The 14 plots include sites at Dahisar, Borivli, Kandivli, Malad, Goregaon, Vile Parle, Oshiwara, Govandi and Mankhurd. UD department officials added that a change of reservation exercise would have to be undertaken in the case of plots already reserved for another purpose.
MMRDA planners indicated that two of these plots could be dropped from the list on account of Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) norms. The development authority is also intent on fast forwarding work on all the nine proposed metro corridors, and has already called for detailed project reports. The nine routes include the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar (VAG) corridor, work on which is expected to be completed latest by February next year, and the Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd (CBM) corridor, which is expected to begin soon.
Other corridors include the Colaba-Mahim-Bandra, Charkop-Dahisar, Ghatkopar-Mulund, BKC-Kanjur Marg, Andheri (E)-Dahisar (E), Hutatma Chowk-Ghatkopar, and Sewri-Prabhadevi.

Staking Claim

In a proposal submitted to the state government early this year, the MMDRA had staked its claim on 14 plots

Location | Area (in hectares) Bangur Nagar, Goregaon | 32

Kasturi Nagar, Malad | 47

Near Atharva College, Malad West | 25

Mandala, Mankhurd | 27

Govandi | 80

Kandivli | 59

Dahisar Check Naka, Central Government land | over 100

Samarth Nagar, Kandivli |
21

Eksar Village near IC Colony Borivli | 100

JVPD, Vile Parle | 3

VSNL Borivli | 40

Source: MMRDA

sad to see the pillars already defaced by nonsense advertisements.... shame on all of us.. we can never keep our cities beautiful.

No matter how good infra you give these guys, they just can't NOT make it look ugly.

And to think the dimwit was in charge till a few months back!

METRO-2 MAY BYPASS BANDRA STATION ROAD

To Avoid Land Acquisition Problems, Chief Sec Proposes Alternative Route That Includes Mahim

Sandeep Ashar & Ashley Dmello | TNN (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Metro-2-may-bypass-Bandra-station-road/articleshow/8123302.cms)

Even as Mumbai Metro Transport Private Limited is close to finalizing plans for the Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd line, state chief secretary Ratnakar Gaikwad has asked planners to consider changing a portion of the proposed alignment to avoid land acquisition problems. In a recent meeting, he asked Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) officials to explore the option of changing the corridor alignment for a two-kmstretch at the Bandra end of the line. Gaikwad, who was the MMRDA commissioner before taking charge as the state chief secretary, said the reason he asked for a re-evaluation of existing plans was to overcome contentious issues involving land acquisition in Bandra. After covering the distance from Charkop to National College at Bandra along Linking Road, the alignment—as per the original proposal—runs along the Station Road at Bandra, before taking a turn towards the Bandra Kurla Complex. Land acquisition for the project for this stretch of the route is considered to be a contentious issue. Commercial shops and hawkers line the narrow road. A three-storey mosque, slum structures and a skywalk—which was recently set up—are also expected to make land acquisition and project work difficult.
The chief secretary said he had asked officials to explore the option of avoiding the station road entirely. “The Metro could instead use S V Road up to Mahim junction before turning towards the Bandra Kurla Complex,” he said.
A senior MMRDA official pointed out that the proposed alignment steers clear of the mosque and slums. But using the S V Road route will also mean dismantling a portion of skywalk, which connects S V Road to Bandra station.
The corridor is proposed to cover a 32-km stretch from Charkop to Bandra to Mankhurd, and is expected to be constructed at the cost of Rs 8,250 crore. The Mumbai Metro Transport Private Limited (MMTPL), a special-purpose vehicle for setting up the
corridor, is in the process of finalizing the alignment. MMRDA officials said that designs for the final alignment were yet to be frozen and recommendations for changes in the proposed alignment could be discussed and explored.
MMTPL achieved financial closure for the project recently, and work on the corridor is expected to begin next month. It is scheduled for completion by December 2015.

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What's the status of the WEH Cable stay?

^^ first photograph of # 4716

^^ first photograph of # 4716

Not gone beyond that??
How soon do you think it will be done.

METRO-2 MAY BYPASS BANDRA STATION ROAD

To Avoid Land Acquisition Problems, Chief Sec Proposes Alternative Route That Includes Mahim

Sandeep Ashar & Ashley Dmello | TNN (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Metro-2-may-bypass-Bandra-station-road/articleshow/8123302.cms)



Ridiculous and again almost not feasible. It will obstruct traffic flow to /from the island city into the suburbs during construction . And will cost Mumbai Economy severely. And that area cannot take any more elevated strcutures. The roads are already very narrow.

And will they do the same for all the problems that might come up in Kurla and Mankhurd. First they have todo a proper survey on land acquaiistion before starting.

Ridiculous and again almost not feasible. It will obstruct traffic flow to /from the island city into the suburbs during construction . And will cost Mumbai Economy severely. And that area cannot take any more elevated strcutures. The roads are already very narrow.

And will they do the same for all the problems that might come up in Kurla and Mankhurd. First they have todo a proper survey on land acquaiistion before starting.
Soon, they will announce that the Metro will be like the sea link, travel out there to prevent land acquisition issues, then they'll scrap it too.. AFTER a DPR and feasibility study.

Not gone beyond that??
How soon do you think it will be done.

well the staging has been removed. for andheri-side pier, the staging not yet removed. Well its heard they would close andheri Jog flyover and place stagings tightly touching both sides of jog flyover. 21 m high stagings. they would close most part of landmark junction (over which metro will go) for this staging erection. Once done, I am not sure whether they are using precast of cast in situ type girders. transporting such long preast section maybe a problem, and cast in situ would create a huge mess at the site. I think this entire structure would be complete by post monsoon... maybe october

BTW now a piling machine is placed is placed right in the heart of India's busiest junction- Sakinaka. Damn in the middle! :nuts:

So JOG will be shut till then?? What about the rest of the stretch? Are they casting insitu or using those 25m long precast segments??

I have a question for anybody who has local knowledge of Mumbai. Is the metro (grand plan) plus monorail, plus suburban rail network exhaustive enough to support Mumbai's infra? I mean compared to Delhi's corridors the Mumbai's metro ambitions look tiny to say the least. Or is it because Mumbai has a smaller/ denser area than Delhi?

electric poles installed on sections post sakinaka Jn.

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So JOG will be shut till then?? What about the rest of the stretch? Are they casting insitu or using those 25m long precast segments??

JOG will not be shut, police hasnt given permission for that, it was in news some time back . They will be using smaller precast segments, will be lifted by a grider at night and then cables will be attached to it . The same technique used for BWSL, infact the contractor is the same who did the cable work for BWSL.

electric poles installed on sections post sakinaka Jn.

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Nice pic...poles only on side or is it my illusion

Nice pic...poles only on side or is it my illusion

They are both sides, you can see down the road where it curves.

electric poles installed on sections post sakinaka Jn.

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Has the road below been concreted recently or done before?

^^

I think before.. I have used this stretch countless times and I think it was already concrete at that time..

I have a question for anybody who has local knowledge of Mumbai. Is the metro (grand plan) plus monorail, plus suburban rail network exhaustive enough to support Mumbai's infra? I mean compared to Delhi's corridors the Mumbai's metro ambitions look tiny to say the least. Or is it because Mumbai has a smaller/ denser area than Delhi?

As Shanware said in monorail thread, mumbai already has an extensive local rail network which is still expanding. Mumbai is a narrow strip of land unlike other cities which are round in shape and keep expanding. People mostly travel north south for work. Plus you have autos,taxis, call cabs all run on fixed rate, no need hassle for fares. Plus during peak hours you have share taxi/autos which runs from stations to nearest business places.Then you have BEST,NMMT, TMT,ST,KDMT,MBMT who serve the local population quite well, some also run into each others territory which leads to competition and in turn strive for better service, example being NMMT got a big share of business from BEST by running volvos at lower prices. Now even KDMT
(Kalyan Dombivli Municipal corp.) and MBMT(Mira Bhayender Municipal Corp) which used to looked down has bought newer buses.So all now you need is something to compliment all these.Thats why metro's network isnt as exhaustive as Delhi plus you throw in monorail and it gives you more options

I have a question for anybody who has local knowledge of Mumbai. Is the metro (grand plan) plus monorail, plus suburban rail network exhaustive enough to support Mumbai's infra? I mean compared to Delhi's corridors the Mumbai's metro ambitions look tiny to say the least. Or is it because Mumbai has a smaller/ denser area than Delhi?
1) If you say Mumbai city then I would like to have 2 lines per direction Charcop-Bandra section of line 2 as well 2 lines per direction for Bandra -colaba line.
2) Metro will also start construction in Navi Mumbai. However I would still like Metro/Monorail in Thane and Beyond may be upto Dombivilli which I feel is required and should cover the areas not covered by suburban or far from it.
3) A monorail line from Dhaisar to Mira- Bhayander as an alternative.
4) 1 more E-W connectivity probably Thane-Borivilli considering Thane-Panvel already covered by Subarban line.

^^ Okay. Are the suburban rails comfortable. I've heard urban legends about how people travel on/in/under them. Are they trying to improve the coaches' quality as well?

^^ Okay. Are the suburban rails comfortable. I've heard urban legends about how people travel on/in/under them. Are they trying to improve the coaches' quality as well?
They introduce new coaches every now and then, but the crowd is too much and some hooligans vandalise them ...

In that respect, the behavior of the crowd has improved many notches since the Metro was first introduced. Now I've seen people offering their seats to women/old people. On one of its first trips somebody had scratched the window and a metro operation had to be aborted. Later rumors flew that the man wanted to see if the glass was scratch-proof! We've come a long way.

In that respect, the behavior of the crowd has improved many notches since the Metro was first introduced. Now I've seen people offering their seats to women/old people. On one of its first trips somebody had scratched the window and a metro operation had to be aborted. Later rumors flew that the man wanted to see if the glass was scratch-proof! We've come a long way.
Delhi?

In that respect, the behavior of the crowd has improved many notches since the Metro was first introduced. Now I've seen people offering their seats to women/old people. On one of its first trips somebody had scratched the window and a metro operation had to be aborted. Later rumors flew that the man wanted to see if the glass was scratch-proof! We've come a long way.
You cannot compare metro maintenance with suburban :ohno:

You cannot compare metro maintenance with suburban :ohno:
True.
They are two totally different systems.

any pics update of the metro construction in or around andheri station? I saw the other day that the station complex construction looks ready and the stretch between Nilkamal Signal and Teli Galli Signal has iron mesh pillars in place with one digger stationed at the nilkamal signal. I had thought that the station at WEH would be complete soon but looks nowhere near to completion... traffic should improve once these two junctions are freed of construction

any pics update of the metro construction in or around andheri station? I saw the other day that the station complex construction looks ready and the stretch between Nilkamal Signal and Teli Galli Signal has iron mesh pillars in place with one digger stationed at the nilkamal signal. I had thought that the station at WEH would be complete soon but looks nowhere near to completion... traffic should improve once these two junctions are freed of construction

The structure exactly outside Andheri Station has come up pretty fast. Its reached upto the third storey now, it looks more than just a station, a complex of sorts. They seem to be connecting the Sububan rail staion with the metro via a skywalk if not something else. Also work is on 24/7 between the railway tracks. Will try to get pics sooner.

has anyone watched this video. i saw this on another one of the forums that tracks mm updates

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYvtqi59Hp0&feature=player_embedded&safety_mode=true&persist_safety_mode=1

has anyone watched this video. i saw this on another one of the forums that tracks mm updates

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Nice Video there, trains looks good too.

Seven bunglows station

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On completed section near Seven bunglows, they have erected poles

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Depot on the right

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Seven bunglows station

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On completed section near Seven bunglows, they have erected poles

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Lovely... had I been born a few years later on I might've taken a metro to classes ...

Thanks for the updates CoolGuyz..

what are those u/c triplets near depot???

Super cool pictures man.

no kiddian, the buildings are actually very near to the viaduct. now i understand why people of mumbai are against elevated corridors.