5000 th post is mine :P

Drat. I missed it.

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What if it is already awarded.Why not pay a little compensation and cancel it? Line 2 passes through the densest part of Mumbai. It is the most deserving one.

For a city with the population density of Mumbai, it certainly makes sense to build the Metro largely underground. I would suggest that the local government take a leaf out of Delhi's book and get on with getting the projects implemented.

to avoid almost certain delays and cost escalations, not to mention irreparable damage, they should rethink line 2 as well. if they do not want to go in for rebidding they should work out a compensation mechanism for reliance (i know this is open to loads of corruption, but then again what in india is not)

It's good that they are now considering more u/g lines. But that would lead to reduction in number/length of planned lines or the same masterplan would be implemented over a much larger period since it would be difficult to arrange so much of funds every year if majority of the lines are u/g.

5000 th post is mine :P

Troll alert !!

now only funds will be issue to build metro than rehab issue

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Might not be an expert here but is the cost difference compared to length of the line doesnt match up... is it because of current prices or am i seeing weird pricing. does the price also include cost of rehabilitation, road widening, etc?

VAG - 11 kms - 2356 crores
ghatkopar-mankhurd - 10.8 kkms - 1200 crores????
wadala - teen hath naka - 7kms - 4628 crores????

^^ It could be UG and not just OH, atleast the last one.
As said, UG is more than three times the cost of OH.

Might not be an expert here but is the cost difference compared to length of the line doesnt match up... is it because of current prices or am i seeing weird pricing. does the price also include cost of rehabilitation, road widening, etc?

VAG - 11 kms - 2356 crores
ghatkopar-mankhurd - 10.8 kkms - 1200 crores????
wadala - teen hath naka - 7kms - 4628 crores????

The first rule when it comes to reading a news article is to assume that the facts are wrong. If somehow all the facts and figures are correct then it's a mere coincidence and has no relation to the quality of reporting.

The first rule when it comes to reading a news article is to assume that the facts are wrong. If somehow all the facts and figures are correct then it's a mere coincidence and has no relation to the quality of reporting.
Especially the Property times.

Might not be an expert here but is the cost difference compared to length of the line doesnt match up... is it because of current prices or am i seeing weird pricing. does the price also include cost of rehabilitation, road widening, etc?

VAG - 11 kms - 2356 crores
ghatkopar-mankhurd - 10.8 kkms - 1200 crores????
wadala - teen hath naka - 7kms - 4628 crores????

Wadala-Teen Naka is surely not just 7km. Easily more than 20km, you are going from town to Thane here.

Wadala-Teen Naka is surely not just 7km. Easily more than 20km, you are going from town to Thane here.
Maybe it was 17? or 27?

Ah. Its 20.7km. Its given in the article. :bash:

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^^ If no new transport system can be built, does that include BRTS ?

^^ If no new transport system can be built, does that include BRTS ?

I guess yes, but BRTS wont be required if Metro has its way... then BEST could possibly increase its frequency of buses in inner areas where metro cannot reach and the only other option is the rickshaw. For example, in VAG, people who want to go to powai/hiranandani can get down at sakinaka and catch a bus. it will STILL save time compared to current bus running time.

and if they run BRTS under BEST, then it wont be a new system, it would be just another addition in the existing system of transport. ...

looking at waterlogging issue every year in mumbai... how would the underground metro work during this time...... ?????

Man, water's not going to go and fill the underground metro stations. If you look at that than many metros around the world should face similar problems.

and if they run BRTS under BEST, then it wont be a new system, it would be just another addition in the existing system of transport. ...
BRTS would require dedicated lanes, aka infra change, do it could be a problem.
looking at waterlogging issue every year in mumbai... how would the underground metro work during this time...... ?????

Believe ME, I NEVER managed to get a satisfactory answer for that.

Believe ME, I NEVER managed to get a satisfactory answer for that.

Well Singapore, Hongkong and even Kolkata have underground lines and these cities (also crowded BTW) receive a lot of rainfall just like Mumbai. So underground lines in a heavy rainfall/crowded city is not an anomaly and can function even on rainy days.

In Mumbai I think the water logging on the surface is made more acute bcoz the storm water drainage system is nearly a century old and has not been adequately upgraded to handle the extra water flow due to increased congestion. The instances and severity of waterlogging have progressively worsened because our town planners/developers/politicians for whatever reason didn't have necessary foresight/motivation to address the congestion problem and the issues that come with it.

Well Singapore, Hongkong and even Kolkata have underground lines and these cities (also crowded BTW) receive a lot of rainfall just like Mumbai. So underground lines in a heavy rainfall/crowded city is not an anomaly and can function even on rainy days.

In Mumbai I think the water logging on the surface is made more acute bcoz the storm water drainage system is nearly a century old and has not been adequately upgraded to handle the extra water flow due to increased congestion. The instances and severity of waterlogging have progressively worsened because our town planners/developers/politicians for whatever reason didn't have necessary foresight/motivation to address the congestion problem and the issues that come with it.
I had a doubt about construction, not during operation.

It's good that they are now considering more u/g lines. But that would lead to reduction in number/length of planned lines or the same masterplan would be implemented over a much larger period since it would be difficult to arrange so much of funds every year if majority of the lines are u/g.




Yes, Mumbai doesnt need extensive network. Frankly speaking,there is not so many roads, that can fit a metro line (No more NS lines possible in western parts of western suburbs after Line 2). But some key NS lines on the eastern and western side would require quadraple lines.

Yes you got the answer.The overall fund requirements will be the same as the length of the network will be less. While population density compels the metro to be underground ,the same density helps to reduce the network length.

I had a doubt about construction, not during operation.

I cant answer you technically.But dont you think ,it is possible in Mumbai which gets rain only 3-4 months,when it is possible in Singapore which gets rainfall throughout the year. there should be technology for it. Many tunnels have been built under water over the last few decades.

I cant answer you technically.But dont you think ,it is possible in Mumbai which gets rain only 3-4 months,when it is possible in Singapore which gets rainfall throughout the year. there should be technology for it. Many tunnels have been built under water over the last few decades.
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Will your metro ride be safe? Will the stations constructed at a mammoth height be guarded against fire-related mishaps? Will the car depots at Mankhurd and Charkop damage the environment? For now, there has been no clarity on any of these questions raised by thousands of Mumbaikars.

According to two different Right To Information (RTI) replies obtained, while the city fire department has claimed that it has not received any proposals or plans for fire safety vis-a-vis the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar corridor, the Union ministry of environment and forests is yet to give a green nod to the car depots of the Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd metro line.

Over 50% of the first line of the metro is complete, say Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) officials. In fact, the MMRDA top brass has already claimed that they may begin testing the tracks soon. However, in the RTI reply given to Monika Matani, a resident staying on the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar alignment, dated May 24, 2011, the Mumbai fire brigade has said that neither the MMRDA nor Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd (MMOPL, the Reliance Infrastructure-led consortium) has sought any permission from them to construct the via ducts.

“Permission will be given only after submission of the proposals or plans for the same,” says the RTI reply. “I am not even sure whether fire brigade officers have even visited any of the construction sites,” said Matani. Surprisingly, MMRDA spokesperson Dilip Kawathkar said that the authority has been given a No Objection Certificate (NoC) from the fire department.

Meanwhile, Maloy Bhatt, an activist campaigning for an underground metro, filed another RTI regarding the green nod to the car depots at Charkop and Mankhurd. While the Union minister for environment and forests Jairam Ramesh recently announced that an “in principle” permission has been given to the project, the RTI reply, dated May 23, 2011, contradicts the same.

“No permission or approval on record,” says the reply.
According to Kawathkar, while the in principle nod has been given by the centre, a few modalities were being worked out between the authority and central government.

However, activist Nitin Killawala said that getting a nod is going to be a tough task. “They will take a very long time and a lot of modifications will have to be made,” opined Killawala. Sources in the authority have confirmed that a final nod was needed for both car depots.

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While officials of the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) have more or less finalised a plot for the second metro’s car depot in Charkop, a Right To Information (RTI) query has revealed that a better plot in Borivli (West) has been neglected for the purpose.

While the MMRDA is still struggling with the Centre for a final environmental clearance for the 21.06-hectare Charkop land, Nitin Killawala — an architect and supporter of an underground metro — has found through an RTI application that a much better plot in Borivli (West) has been neglected by the authority.

“In case of the Charkop plot, there are major issues of Coastal Regulatory Zone (CRZ) 1. Another central government plot, which is suitable for the car depot, has been neglected for the purpose. This plot is close to the Gorai bus depot and has a reservation for All India Radio (Vividh Bharati),” said Killawala.

Surprisingly, MMRDA officials have ruled out this plot only because it belongs to the central government. “MMRDA officials said that if the plot is acquired, then the project cost will increase,” said Killawala.

The authority is already finding it difficult to get a final nod for the Charkop plot. “Their claim that the depot will be on stilts has been questioned by the Ministry of Environment and Forests (MoEF).

This stilt is likely to be at a height of 30 metres,” said Killawala.
When contacted, MMRDA spokesperson Dilip Kawathkar said the alignment for the 32km line-2 was finalised and it was unlikely to be changed. “We have so far no plans to change the car depot land from Charkop to Borivli,” Kawathkar told DNA.

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While work is already underway on Mumbai’s second metro running between Charkop to Mankhurd via Bandra, the concession agreement between Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) and the Reliance Infrastructure-led consortium is now under the scanner.

According to residents and activists of the Juhu Vile Parle Development Scheme (JVPD) Association, the government may eventually have “zero” control over the Rs8,250 crore project.

“Article 4.2 of the agreement provides for damages to be paid only by the government for delay in complying with the conditions precedent. Surprisingly no such corresponding provision has been made for damages to be paid for delay by the Reliance Infrastructure-led consortium. They are not bound by any time frame and there is no obligation or deterrent imposed upon them by way of damages under article 4,” said architects Hemoo Upadhyaya and Nitin Killawala.

The agreement could literally negate the government’s role, they add. “Article 5.4.2 provides that the government would have a right to veto any resolution passed by the board of directors or in a general meeting. However, the government will have no say whatsoever on vital financial and technical matters of the said project, even if the decisions taken in that regard are contrary to public policy and public interest,” argued Killawala.

MMRDA spokesperson Dilip Kawathkar said that the agreement was between the state and Mumbai Metro Transport Private Limited (MMTPL). “Any change will be a policy decision,” he said.

Source: http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_maharashtra-govt-may-lose-metro-ii-control-to-r-infra_1554748

Metro opening pushed back to July 2012

Ashley D’Mello TNN

Mumbai: The citizens’ wait to take their first ride on the Metro just got longer. Instead of the earlier promiseddateof March 2012, it will be in July that the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar route will be thrown open.
This is the third time that the inauguration for the 12-km route date has been changed.
In fact, the change in date was not announced; it was a poster attheMetrosite near the
new Lalbaug flyover, which stated the completion date as July 2012.
Officials of the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA), the planning authority for Metro, admittedthattheinauguration would be delayed. An official said it had to be pushed back owing to the slow progress in work on the line as well as stations. “Trial runs on a part of the tracks are likely to begin by the end of the year. After that, changes will have to be made to ensurethat allsafety standards are met with. This is why the date could be extended to ensure that everything goes smoothly when thetrainsfinally start running,” they said.
MMRDA chief Rahul Asthana recently threw a hint of the impending delay when he promised to try and complete the work but did not set a deadline.
Though critical of the constant change in the date of inauguration, the transport circles agreed that the agencies met quite a few challenges to build the lines. “The railways has only recently granted the MMOPL the permission to build a bridge over the Western Railway tracks near Andheri station. The task of constructing another bridge over the Jog Flyover on the Western Express Highway is Herculean. These constructions will take some time,” an official said. The MumbaiMetroOnePrivateLtd (MMOPL) is laying the tracks.

Metro opening pushed back to July 2012

Ashley D’Mello TNN

Mumbai: The citizens’ wait to take their first ride on the Metro just got longer. Instead of the earlier promiseddateof March 2012, it will be in July that the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar route will be thrown open.
This is the third time that the inauguration for the 12-km route date has been changed.
In fact, the change in date was not announced; it was a poster attheMetrosite near the
new Lalbaug flyover, which stated the completion date as July 2012.
Officials of the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA), the planning authority for Metro, admittedthattheinauguration would be delayed. An official said it had to be pushed back owing to the slow progress in work on the line as well as stations. “Trial runs on a part of the tracks are likely to begin by the end of the year. After that, changes will have to be made to ensurethat allsafety standards are met with. This is why the date could be extended to ensure that everything goes smoothly when thetrainsfinally start running,” they said.
MMRDA chief Rahul Asthana recently threw a hint of the impending delay when he promised to try and complete the work but did not set a deadline.
Though critical of the constant change in the date of inauguration, the transport circles agreed that the agencies met quite a few challenges to build the lines. “The railways has only recently granted the MMOPL the permission to build a bridge over the Western Railway tracks near Andheri station. The task of constructing another bridge over the Jog Flyover on the Western Express Highway is Herculean. These constructions will take some time,” an official said. The MumbaiMetroOnePrivateLtd (MMOPL) is laying the tracks.

Delayed or preponed? :nuts:
It was August 2012 few days back. Crazy Stuff!

Does anybody here want Reliance to take over Line 2?

None can guess the opening date till they finish the WR and WEH part. It is not very easy to complete,especially the former.

Even after seeing the delays and pain in constructing Line1,MMRDA is adamant on elevated metro for Line 2. If they cant handle one bridge (over WEH) and one railway line, how will they handle 3 railway lines, bandra flyover/skywalk and the problems in Kurla ( I heard it has to go over SCLR) and western suburbs.If they go for elevated,it is not going to be complete before 2030. Meanwhile the city has to endure the nuisance during the constrcution

None can guess the opening date till they finish the WR and WEH part. It is not very easy to complete,especially the former.

Even after seeing the delays and pain in constructing Line1,MMRDA is adamant on elevated metro for Line 2. If they cant handle one bridge (over WEH) and one railway line, how will they handle 3 railway lines, bandra flyover/skywalk and the problems in Kurla ( I heard it has to go over SCLR) and western suburbs.If they go for elevated,it is not going to be complete before 2030. Meanwhile the city has to endure the nuisance during the constrcution
If OH is taking so much time, UG will take more.
It's Reliance which is going slow.

I have given up on the metro....

Not really ,It may be partly Reliance.But you cannot ignore the complexities in WEH and WR part (working for just 1 hour) It will be the same timefor undergorund. OH is taking 5 years (optimistic). Underground usually take around the same time may be 1 year more (The complexities of underground is just inherent; WR or WEH flyover will not be a deterrrant). But fine atleast there will not be much disturbance to the public during construction (Except for station works, which may be just arnd 1 year) especially when the construction goes on for 5-10 years. Above all, you get clutter free roads, Space is saved in a land-starved city for better future planning.

Not really ,It may be partly Reliance.But you cannot ignore the complexities in WEH and WR part (working for just 1 hour) It will be the same timefor undergorund. OH is taking 5 years (optimistic). Underground usually take around the same time may be 1 year more (The complexities of underground is just inherent; WR or WEH flyover will not be a deterrrant). But fine atleast there will not be much disturbance to the public during construction (Except for station works, which may be just arnd 1 year) especially when the construction goes on for 5-10 years. Above all, you get clutter free roads, Space is saved in a land-starved city for better future planning.
Discount WEH and WR.
Rel is taking a little too much time for the rest.

Discount WEH and WR.
Rel is taking a little too much time for the rest.

This is what happens when we multiple agencies working ... MMRDA, Reliance, Veolia and then we have SEW infra who is the actual contractor...we never work great aas a team....

This is what happens when we multiple agencies working ... MMRDA, Reliance, Veolia and then we have SEW infra who is the actual contractor...we never work great aas a team....
But wait.
Simplex is doing the Viaduct, so what is Reliance doing?

I have given up on the metro....

Chill and have a glass of beer:cheers:

people have to realise that constructing the metro/flyovers on the main roads is not a simple pile/cap/segment job. most of the time is taken in shifting utilities that lie below the main road, not in the above ground construction. moving utilities means co-ordinating with bmc, best, reliance, maharashtra gas, mtnl, cable companies, private telecom companies, etc etc

people have to realise that constructing the metro/flyovers on the main roads is not a simple pile/cap/segment job. most of the time is taken in shifting utilities that lie below the main road, not in the above ground construction. moving utilities means co-ordinating with bmc, best, reliance, maharashtra gas, mtnl, cable companies, private telecom companies, etc etc
Yes, but in Mumbai, where there are concrete roads, most utilities are to the side under the paver blocks or ducted.

can we have some pics if possible! specially from andheri station where they are constucting the bridge... havn't seen many from there...

dude you are heavily incorrect... most utilities are now being shifted to the side under the paver blocks... but were positioned under the dividers or under the main road during the british era, and after... that's the bulk of the work leading to the construction of the flyover... however some residential areas do have telephone and electric lines under the sidewalks... mine does... but rest go under the road...

Yes, but in Mumbai, where there are concrete roads, most utilities are to the side under the paver blocks or ducted.

most major utilities (water, sewage, etc) still lie in the middle. only smaller, closer to surface utilities like telephone lines, optical fibres, etc get shifted to the sides

can we have some pics if possible! specially from andheri station where they are constucting the bridge... havn't seen many from there...

This weekend.. :)

This weekend.. :)
Sooner, please? :)

This weekend.. :)

Look forward for it :)

Discount WEH and WR.
Rel is taking a little too much time for the rest.

I 'm not supporting Reliance (Infact I dont want it to be PPP). But Reliance completed the work wherever ROW is given to my knowledge. ROW is not given at a stretch as in other cities. I think you would know that it is not possible to give ROW at a stretch as u have lived here. I believe they r yet to get ROW for Mahakali Caves Road junction, Telegalli and Sakinaka junction ('m not sure of the latter two though). They got ROW for a stretch of JP road (including Indian Oil junction) just 2 months back. In fact this is an added complexity for elevated lines. I 'm sure it will take a long time for them to complete Mahakali Caves Road. I think, traffic police is not going to give ROW before WEH bridge is complete.

And Regarding Line 2 it is absolutely impossible to get ROW for the entire Linking Road/Link Road, especially junctions like Juhu circle, Juhu Road, the whole Bandra area south of Turner Road etc.

And one more thing is if you are the CFO of an infrastrcuture company, you will not put your money and construct if some portions of the project are in trouble. It is a common practice to defer the work till problems are solved, else you will have to pay heavy interest for all your mobilised funds, withou any revenues. This is a common corporate philosophy across the world.

I 'm not supporting Reliance (Infact I dont want it to be PPP). But Reliance completed the work wherever ROW is given to my knowledge. ROW is not given at a stretch as in other cities. I think you would know that it is not possible to give ROW at a stretch as u have lived here. I believe they r yet to get ROW for Mahakali Caves Road junction, Telegalli and Sakinaka junction ('m not sure of the latter two though). They got ROW for a stretch of JP road (including Indian Oil junction) just 2 months back. In fact this is an added complexity for elevated lines. I 'm sure it will take a long time for them to complete Mahakali Caves Road. I think, traffic police is not going to give ROW before WEH bridge is complete.

And Regarding Line 2 it is absolutely impossible to get ROW for the entire Linking Road/Link Road, especially junctions like Juhu circle, Juhu Road, the whole Bandra area south of Turner Road etc.

I understand partly, but would understand better if you tell me which definition of ROW you are referring to. Wikipedia has 3 different definitions of Right of Way.
I'm confused.
And one more thing is if you are the CFO of an infrastrcuture company, you will not put your money and construct if some portions of the project are in trouble. It is a common practice to defer the work till problems are solved, else you will have to pay heavy interest for all your mobilised funds, withou any revenues. This is a common corporate philosophy across the world.

That, I understand.

I'm with you on PPP.
It's looting everything public.

IE (http://www.indianexpress.com/story-print/804401/)
Third Metro line: MMRDA still looking for car depot location

Mumbai : The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) is scouting for plots to station its car depot for the city’s third proposed Metro rail route from Colaba to Bandra via Mahalaxmi. The MMRDA is going to appoint a consultant for the 20-km partially underground corridor, whose scope of work would include locating a plot for the car depot.
Having shortlisted a couple of sites, hurdles have started to crop up for finalisation of the location. MMRDA has expressed interest in having an underground car depot under the Mahalaxmi race course near where the stables stand today, but the site is listed as a grade II heritage site. “Nothing has been finalised yet, but it has come to our notice that Mahalaxmi falls under the heritage site and we are now looking at several alternatives,” said G R Madan, Director MRTS, MMRDA.

One of alternatives on the MMRDA’s list is near the Mumbai University at Kalina. “We have not spoken to any authorities yet, these are just alternative where we need to do a feasibility study before coming to any decision,” Madan said.

Senior MMRDA officials said they are looking at alternatives as drastic as taking the entire corridor underground as opposed to the earlier masterplan of a partial underground corridor. “First we could not get a plot in Colaba, now we discover that the area of the stables is a heritage site. Following negotiations with the authorities, we can seek dismantling of the stable and reconstructing once the depot is built. But these are long drawn procedures,” added a senior MMRDA official. Madan added, “The consultants will scout for plots in the area once they are appointed shortly.”

The MMRDA is also exploring the possibility of extending the corridor to the Bandra Kurla Complex. The second Metro corridor Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd also goes through the BKC, which now has major connectivity issues. If MMRDA’s plan materialises, BKC will gradually become a major Metro hub. The MMRDA is also looking at BKC as an alternative for the car depot for the third Metro corridor

^^ For a north south corridor, they're better off looking for land in the north.
What possessed them to look for land in Colaba for a depot? It'd be ***** expensive.

I understand partly, but would understand better if you tell me which definition of ROW you are referring to. Wikipedia has 3 different definitions of Right of Way.
I'm confused.




I think it is the third. In simple words,the project concessionaire/ contractor gets the right to build the project on a public road , which may imply non-availability of the road (complete/partial) for the general public.

I think it is the third. In simple words,the project concessionaire/ contractor gets the right to build the project on a public road , which may imply non-availability of the road (complete/partial) for the general public.
Got it.
Licence to block ..
Too many chefs spoil the stew.

The broth my friend, the broth. :lol:

Broth - Stew same thing. :)
Shhh.. you might attract someone who'll say we don't need a metro because we already have a suburban network .. :lol:

Railway no likely to delay first phase of metro project

Published: Friday, Jun 17, 2011, 1:31 IST
By Ninad Siddhaye | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA

The already crawling first metro corridor connecting Versova and Ghatkopar via Andheri is set to be delayed as the railways have ‘refused’ to give construction permission during monsoon for the Rail Over Bridge (RoB) at Andheri.

Confirming the development, a top official of the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) told DNA that the work is likely to get further delayed by another three months. “The bridge is surely the most critical part of the 11-km part. The railways officials have, however, have refused to give permission for this particular excavation. Although we are in negotiations with the railway authorities for to continue work during monsoon, if they don’t, we will lose out on three more months,” said the official, requesting anonymity.

The Western Railway’s chief spokesperson Sharat Chandrayan denied knowledge of any such refusal.

“There were no permission issues,” he said. But after reconfirming from the sources, it was learnt that the railways did have a number of issues with the excavation work to be carried out during monsoon.
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_railway-no-likely-to-delay-first-phase-of-metro-project_1555913

Japanese bank ready to fund Metro-III

Published: Friday, Jun 17, 2011, 1:18 IST
By Ninad Siddhaye | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA

Just as the work for the first two metro lines continues to crawl, officials of the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) are yet to figure out the funding pattern for the first underground metro in the city running between Colaba and Bandra.

While the Japanese Bank for International Cooperation (JICA) continues to be the leading agency wanting to fund this third line, they have also offered the added incentiveof “free technical consultancy” once MMRDA rolls the project.

Confirming the development MMRDA metropolitan commissioner Rahul Asthana said that a final decision would require a nod from the central government.

“Any funding from an international agency requires a nod from the central government’s Department of Economic Affairs (DEA). The authority has been planning a partially underground metro all this while. However, after the Mahalaxmi car depot site being ruled out, we are contemplating a completely underground metro —as advised by the Delhi Metro Rail Corporation (DMRC) in the original metro master plan. Once a detailed blue print of this line is ready, only then we can think of the funding patterns,” Asthana told DNA.

International agencies including the JICA as well as the World Bank have shown great interest in funding the Mumbai metro. It is now certain that the theory of a Public Private Partnership (PPP) used in earlier two routes will not work in the 20 odd km long Colaba-Bandra metro.

“Even the central government has refused to fund the huge viability gap for the third line. Now the authority has to decide whether to take the complete responsibility of the line or to construct the civil work and hand over to a private entity to construct the rail lines and run the services. Also, the financial assistance has to come through the centre, he said.

“Although the final decision is yet to be arrived at, the proposal of free technical consultancy from JICA surely makes them the front runners in the race for financing the Metro-III that will run between Colaba and Bandra,” concluded Asthana.
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_japanese-bank-ready-to-fund-metro-iii_1555910

Railway no likely to delay first phase of metro project

Published: Friday, Jun 17, 2011, 1:31 IST
By Ninad Siddhaye | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA

The already crawling first metro corridor connecting Versova and Ghatkopar via Andheri is set to be delayed as the railways have ‘refused’ to give construction permission during monsoon for the Rail Over Bridge (RoB) at Andheri.

Confirming the development, a top official of the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) told DNA that the work is likely to get further delayed by another three months. “The bridge is surely the most critical part of the 11-km part. The railways officials have, however, have refused to give permission for this particular excavation. Although we are in negotiations with the railway authorities for to continue work during monsoon, if they don’t, we will lose out on three more months,” said the official, requesting anonymity.

The Western Railway’s chief spokesperson Sharat Chandrayan denied knowledge of any such refusal.

“There were no permission issues,” he said. But after reconfirming from the sources, it was learnt that the railways did have a number of issues with the excavation work to be carried out during monsoon.
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_railway-no-likely-to-delay-first-phase-of-metro-project_1555913

Any idea what objections the railways could have had for refusing to give permissions during monsoons??

Question: Why didn't they think of a LONG bridge over WR's tracks? Is it because they have to build a station there too?

Money matters.

Question: Why didn't they think of a LONG bridge over WR's tracks? Is it because they have to build a station there too?

It be just too long a bridge to make w/o a pillar. Even for a suspension you would need a pillar in the middle according to me.

It be just too long a bridge to make w/o a pillar. Even for a suspension you would need a pillar in the middle according to me.
I see.

It be just too long a bridge to make w/o a pillar. Even for a suspension you would need a pillar in the middle according to me.

Why would a suspension bridge need a pillar/pier in the middle? Isn't the entire point of a suspension bridge to eliminate piers in the middle?

Why would a suspension bridge need a pillar/pier in the middle? Isn't the entire point of a suspension bridge to eliminate piers in the middle?

Even if there were no pillars in the design, there would be requirement of temporary supports duringt construction. So probable it makes more sense to make a cheaper bridge with a permanent pillar.

Even if there were no pillars in the design, there would be requirement of temporary supports duringt construction. So probable it makes more sense to make a cheaper bridge with a permanent pillar.

If it were possible to place a pier at the center then why even bother with a suspension bridge? Also, you don't need a temporary support in the middle during construction. Go see how suspension bridges are built.

Towards andheri station...metro station if you can see ahead.
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From the same spot towards highway
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CG thanks for the pixs :cheers:

can anyone tell me what does the U/C part of Mumbai Metro cost, and what is the cost of the planned phases, as i want it for my megaprojects thread

CG thanks for the pixs :cheers:
+1.
:cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY87QiqDxR4

watch this one...

http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_metro-ride-in-mumbai-could-prove-shocking_1556906
Metro ride in Mumbai could prove ‘shocking’

Will an elevated metro running with a pantograph and other Over Head Equipment (OHE) pose a threat to commuters in the trains as well as to motorists plying under it? If the officials of the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) are to be believed, then the threat is very much real.

As per an internal report of the MMRDA, safety is a major concern. “Earth is a good conductor of electricity, but not concrete. The resistance of the concrete is much higher than the earth. The resistance will depends on the cracks in the concrete, moisture content, age of the concrete and the point at which the conductor comes in contact with the concrete. If the parted 25kv AC conductor falls on the concrete and the fault is not cleared by the circuit breaker, dangerous condition will arise,” says a MMRDA communication to Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd (MMOPL)—the Reliance Infrastructure-led consortium which is constructing the first metro line between Versova and Ghatkopar.

“If the parted conductor hangs below the viaduct, it will endanger the safety of road users. If the parting takes place above the railway crossing and the power is not switched off, wrong phase coupling can result,” says the communication.

MMRDA officials have had talks with MMOPL about replacing the overhead electrification with an underground system called the third rail.

Admitting that the present system has some loopholes, MMRDA metropolitan commissioner Rahul Asthana told DNA that the authority has already initiated talks with the Mumbai Metro Transport Pvt Ltd (MMTPL)-another consortium led by Reliance Infrastructure, which is constructing the 32-km long metro-II between Charkop and Mankhurd to replace the overhead system with third rail. “However, not much can be done about the first line since the work has gone too far ahead,” said Asthana.

Explaining the grave danger that a pantograph can cause, the communication says that a pantograph entanglement often results in the breaking of parts like nut bolts, copper strip hoses. “Sometimes, even the entire pantograph gets uprooted. These parts often get thrown off. If these parts fall outside the viaduct, they can endanger the safety of road users,” it says.

Another important aspect of the dangers mentioned in the communication talks about internet cables as well as cables for the TV connections. “25kv can induce voltage in internet cables, TV cables and metallic structures like grills etc. Adequate study is needed,” says the communication.

^^ How come Delhi metro and other metros in the world operate with an overhead catenary ???

Some issues/defects doesnt get noticed until something big happens, some system can survive with that issues/defects with good maintenance.

Some issues/defects doesnt get noticed until something big happens, some system can survive with that issues/defects with good maintenance.
Won't having a metal or something to earth it at every so and so point be enough ???

may be sensational journalism.Unless the railway Lines in Mumbai increase the risk.

Won't having a metal or something to earth it at every so and so point be enough ???

Yes that's the point if they have metal strip at every column/pillar to ground it.. then there is no problem but after few years and bad maintenance, the may get disconnected from earth, due to corrosion etc at Mumbai weather is well known for its humidity/heavy rains, if they replaced at regular intervals/good maintenance then this will not create problem but if they dont and something goes wrong? then u can think of the rest....

may be sensational journalism.Unless the railway Lines in Mumbai increase the risk.

Local lines are on ground and so many points they already grounded to earth, its not like metro who is above ground with big distance from ground/earth. As they said concrete is not good conductor which might cause the issue. But with good maintenance we can over come this issues

http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_metro-ride-in-mumbai-could-prove-shocking_1556906
Metro ride in Mumbai could prove ‘shocking’




I don't think the designers/engineers all over the world wouldn't have thought of something so obvious.

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WR Tracks

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Not Andheri Station

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WEH Suspension

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You kept ur words.... thnx.....

Thanks for the pics !!

Fantastic Pics, I think this should be ready by 2013

vadditwice, may you live long.
Thanks for the awesome pics.
I do have a few questions:
1> What is that yellow FOB, is it just another FOB, or a skywalk?
2> Is the Andheri MM1 station over the WR station, to the East, to West ??

First rails to be laid on Metro later this month
Posted: Mon Jun 20 2011, 02:18 hrs
Mumbai

With the rails for the first Metro corridor reaching the city, the Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd (MMOPL), which is building the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar corridor, will start laying the tracks in parts of the 11.4-km route which have already been completed.

According to MMOPL, the cable stayed portion of the corridor is progressing and the first cables will be visible by mid-August. Work on the first segment of the bridge over Andheri railway lines is set to begin by August end.

More on: Source (http://www.indianexpress.com/news/first-rails-to-be-laid-on-metro-later-this-month/806017/0)

No way this is going to start until 2013 looking at the pictures.

vadditwice, may you live long.
Thanks for the awesome pics.
I do have a few questions:
1> What is that yellow FOB, is it just another FOB, or a skywalk?
2> Is the Andheri MM1 station over the WR station, to the East, to West ??

1) That is the East-West Public Bridge. Its very old and come of age now. Would be demolished in most likelihood for the metro. Currently there is no skywalk connecting east-west.

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^^ Thanks, what is that Metro building btw ??

^^ Thanks, what is that Metro building btw ??
I have no idea. Its the one in the 4th pic. Where does metro have its headquarters? Like WR have Churchgate. It could be that or simply a structure to connect Railway Station to Metro directly.

I would say Dec 2012 is real enough. October if they are really quick.

I have no idea. Its the one in the 4th pic. Where does metro have its headquarters? Like WR have Churchgate. It could be that or simply a structure to connect Railway Station to Metro directly.

I would say Dec 2012 is real enough. October if they are really quick.
I see.

From the website:

Registered Office:

2'nd Floor,Satellite Silver
Andheri-Kurla Road,Marol, Andheri(E)
Mumbai-400059, India

I see.

From the website:

Registered Office:

2'nd Floor,Satellite Silver
Andheri-Kurla Road,Marol, Andheri(E)
Mumbai-400059, India

That is temporary i guess. dedicated metro headquaters is being built behind reliance energy headquaters in santacruz

vadditwice, may you live long.
Thanks for the awesome pics.
I do have a few questions:
1> What is that yellow FOB, is it just another FOB, or a skywalk?
2> Is the Andheri MM1 station over the WR station, to the East, to West ??

1.That is a normal FOB.they painted it recently one month ago.In peak hours it will be crowded.

2.MM1 station is in East,just besides Railway station.In fact they are planning to connect both stations by a sjywalk

http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_metro-ride-in-mumbai-could-prove-shocking_1556906
Metro ride in Mumbai could prove ‘shocking’

Will an elevated metro running with a pantograph and other Over Head Equipment (OHE) pose a threat to commuters in the trains as well as to motorists plying under it? If the officials of the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) are to be believed, then the threat is very much real.

As per an internal report of the MMRDA, safety is a major concern. “Earth is a good conductor of electricity, but not concrete. The resistance of the concrete is much higher than the earth. The resistance will depends on the cracks in the concrete, moisture content, age of the concrete and the point at which the conductor comes in contact with the concrete. If the parted 25kv AC conductor falls on the concrete and the fault is not cleared by the circuit breaker, dangerous condition will arise,” says a MMRDA communication to Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd (MMOPL)—the Reliance Infrastructure-led consortium which is constructing the first metro line between Versova and Ghatkopar.

“If the parted conductor hangs below the viaduct, it will endanger the safety of road users. If the parting takes place above the railway crossing and the power is not switched off, wrong phase coupling can result,” says the communication.

MMRDA officials have had talks with MMOPL about replacing the overhead electrification with an underground system called the third rail.

Admitting that the present system has some loopholes, MMRDA metropolitan commissioner Rahul Asthana told DNA that the authority has already initiated talks with the Mumbai Metro Transport Pvt Ltd (MMTPL)-another consortium led by Reliance Infrastructure, which is constructing the 32-km long metro-II between Charkop and Mankhurd to replace the overhead system with third rail. “However, not much can be done about the first line since the work has gone too far ahead,” said Asthana.

Explaining the grave danger that a pantograph can cause, the communication says that a pantograph entanglement often results in the breaking of parts like nut bolts, copper strip hoses. “Sometimes, even the entire pantograph gets uprooted. These parts often get thrown off. If these parts fall outside the viaduct, they can endanger the safety of road users,” it says.

Another important aspect of the dangers mentioned in the communication talks about internet cables as well as cables for the TV connections. “25kv can induce voltage in internet cables, TV cables and metallic structures like grills etc. Adequate study is needed,” says the communication.

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Source: http://epaper.dnaindia.com/EpaperImages%5C20062011%5Cdadlddo-large.jpg

Local lines are on ground and so many points they already grounded to earth, its not like metro who is above ground with big distance from ground/earth. As they said concrete is not good conductor which might cause the issue. But with good maintenance we can over come this issues

what about the elevated suburban lines in chennai? The beach line is elevated and runs on AC traction.

What do they mean by copper strip hoses? Conduits?

what about the elevated suburban lines in chennai? The beach line is elevated and runs on AC traction.
So does Delhi Metro, and soon Chennai Metro, even Tokyo Metro ...
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tokyometro03.jpg

1) That is the East-West Public Bridge. Its very old and come of age now. Would be demolished in most likelihood for the metro. Currently there is no skywalk connecting east-west.

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I doubt if they will demolish the foot bridge as it is still used by a lot of people to cross over between East and West in that area. If they demolish it there is no other means for people to cross over.

So does Delhi Metro, and soon Chennai Metro, even Tokyo Metro ...
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tokyometro03.jpg

:bash:
I know that. I was asking as to how these elevated AC traction lines manage their earthing problems if any?

For all those shockers:
These are a few pics of elevated lines running on Overhead catenary:
Japan metro:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Tokyometro03.jpg
Delhi metro:
http://www.qbtpl.net/images/yamuna%20flood1.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ub7Ou8eIN-I/TVTvQxRCY_I/AAAAAAAAAE8/rfEukairU1k/s1600/elevated1.jpg
Chennai MRTS
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/MRTS_crossing_in_IT_corridor.JPG
The last one, Chennai MRTS runs over the Buckingham canal most of it's route, crosses the Coovum and Adyar rivers, water bodies, and is a standard 25kV overhead catenary.

I doubt if they will demolish the foot bridge as it is still used by a lot of people to cross over between East and West in that area. If they demolish it there is no other means for people to cross over.

Well lets see. It seems to be a little too close to the metro. I hope they demolish it and extend the skywalk to the west. And looking at the bridge I don't think it has more than 5 years left.

In front of Kohinoor hotel in Andheri east

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^^ Nice pic, which station is that?

I really don't know why people over react on overhead wires and all....Its a tech hired by countries like Japan, china ..Paris etc etc.....

How many things in India are aesthetically pleasing anyways....Such a childish thought/opinions by few on SSC- India .....

Metro system in a cit doesn't make a city better than newyork..or SHANGHAI....

Be happy with the services and comfort...

^^ Nice pic, which station is that?

Chakala

^^ Nice pic, which station is that?

Chakala.

Chakala.
Aaah, thanks.

Asalpha village station. The road below going to LBS marg is closed. HCC is assisting in building the stations, saw few of their workers on station sites only.

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Towards Sakinaka

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marol naka station

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Airport junction station,
Btw love the smooth feel of the concrete to the pillars, station, quality looks top notch

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Chakala station

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awsome pics coolguyz :cheers:

Awesome updates. The finishing sure looks super-smooth. :)

NIce pics dude.
I agree, Mumbai metro has the best looking viaduct and stations, World Class.
But why are they not using Pre cast segments and going for in situ casting?

The Finishing looks Supreme, thanks a lot for the pictures. When are they starting to lay the tracks?

As usual great updates CG..

The Finishing looks Supreme, thanks a lot for the pictures. When are they starting to lay the tracks?

Later this month. Refer previous page.

Nice pics bro! Thanks

Later this month. Refer previous page.
The overhead Catenary?

A complete section at JP Road - Link Road Junction (Indian Oil Jn)
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Towards Apna Bazar.
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Towards Four Bunglow
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Isn't the gap between segments too big?

Isn't the gap between segments too big?

Yes. I have been thinking about this a lot. But the designers surely know better than me. :colgate:

The overhead Catenary?

They have already started with the poles right. That particular article only mentioned tracks.

Isn't the gap between segments too big?
From what I asked in Bangalore and Chennai about gaps, I was told that it is for earthquake resistance.

Has the viaduct been completed OVER char bangla signal ???




They have already started with the poles right. That particular article only mentioned tracks.
So, I guess cabling support will be done after the tracks ...

NIce pics dude.
I agree, Mumbai metro has the best looking viaduct and stations, World Class.
But why are they not using Pre cast segments and going for in situ casting?

Which part do you expect to be pre-cast?

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As for the gap, how can you assume from just a picture that it is "too big" without knowing the design?

Which part do you expect to be pre-cast?

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As for the gap, how can you assume from just a picture that it is "too big" without knowing the design?
The viaduct.

I never said anything about gaps being too mug. :-|

The viaduct.

I never said anything about gaps being too mug. :-|

I thought it was pre-cast. Is there a picture where it is being cast in place? Sometimes small sections are cast in place.

The "gap" comment was not at you. That's why I put a line in between.

I thought it was pre-cast. Is there a picture where it is being cast in place? Sometimes small sections are cast in place.

The "gap" comment was not at you. That's why I put a line in between.
Most pictures from previous pages seem to show in situ casting.
The last pic in this:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=71209399&postcount=4186

Rs375-crore project was aimed at covering stretch from Colaba to Santa Cruz

Whenever he reads reports about the proposed Colaba-Bandra metro, plans for which are stuck for want of funds, BN Desai's mind goes back to the 1970s, when he and a team of nearly 40 officers of the Indian Railways were working on a project to build an underground metro along the same route up to the Santa Cruz airport.

Desai, who worked with the railways for over 30 years, says they were close to performing a bhoomipujan for the project, but for some reason it did not happen.

Today, the cost of the underground metro between Colaba and Bandra is estimated to be a whopping Rs12,000 crore. But the Bombay Metropolitan Transport Project (Bombay MTP), planned by Desai and his team, would have cost just Rs375 crore.

"We had everything in place, from the techno-economic feasibility study to the detailed project report (DPR). We worked on the project from 1972 up to 1975. The project was to be carried out by the railways," said Desai who is on the threshold of turning 80.

According to the DPR — a set of 40-odd pages typed in the old format — the railways planned to run 46 trains with eight coaches each between Colaba and Santa Cruz. Interestingly, the line was to start at Colaba and cover both the central and western areas of the island city. From Colaba, the metro was to head towards Backbay, then move on to Mantralaya, Churchgate, and Azad Maidan. From there, it would have moved to Bombay VT (or CST, as it is called now), Crawford Market, Mumbadevi, Bhendi Bazaar, Nagpada, Byculla and then to Mahalaxmi.

"This was the first phase. The second phase would have been from Mahalaxmi to Kurla, and the last one was connecting the underground metro to the domestic airport," Desai told DNA.

Why was such an ambitious project shelved? "Only one person can answer the question - former prime minister, the late Indira Gandhi. The then railway minister Mohammad Shafiq Qureshi as well as the railway board had cleared all files related to the project after the plan was submitted in November 1972. Subsequently, the project was discussed at length in April 1973 with members of the planning commission. There were some minor issues such as foreign funding (of Rs64 crore). We also did some site surveys for the bhoomipujan. However, all went wrong somehow. We were dispersed and transferred to various locations," recalled Desai, the disappointment still showing on his face.

Source: DNAIndia.com

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While the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) has spent crores on preparing a Comprehensive Transport Study (CTS) for knowing the transport and infrastructure needs of the Mumbai Metropolitan Region (MMR) just a few years back, a simple study by the railways indicated that an alternative to suburban trains was necessary even four decades ago.

According to BN Desai— the veteran railways engineer who was a part of the team which designed the totally underground metro plan, a techno economic study of the Colaba-Santa Cruz underground metro clearly said that with the population on the rise, soon the suburban lines are going to prove to be inadequate for the commuters. "It said that as per the 1971 census, Mumbai had a population of close to 41lakh. Out of which more than 50% people were staying in the Island city. The railways were running 764 trains on Central and 535 on Western line then. Obviously, the report felt that an alternative system- at least connecting the South Mumbai with airport was needed," said Desai. Two British consultancy firms were asked to prepare a report. According to Desai, a five member team from England did the survey along with the railway officials.

MMRDA officials are at the moment contemplating a third rail system for the next phases of metro. But, Desai had designed the underground metro with the third rail system running on 750 volts DC system then. "Actually, there were two plans, which we named plan 6 and plan 7. While plan 6 was to run a rail system parallel to the existing line and plan 7 was to construct an underground metro. We in fact carried out soil testing reports in three phases as well. We found different levels of blue basalt rock at different depth in these phases," informed Desai who still has a lot of information about the project- which is now history.

Copyright www.3dsyndication.com

Source: DNAIndia.com

Most pictures from previous pages seem to show in situ casting.
The last pic in this:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=71209399&postcount=4186

Maybe I'm missing it but I see no evidence in those pics of the viaduct sections being cast in place.

http://www.indianexpress.com/story-print/806017/
First rails to be laid on Metro later this month

Express news service Posted online: Mon Jun 20 2011, 02:18 hrs

Mumbai : With the rails for the first Metro corridor reaching the city, the Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd (MMOPL), which is building the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar corridor, will start laying the tracks in parts of the 11.4-km route which have already been completed.
“The teams have been mobilised and we are awaiting the arrival of the flash butt welding machine later this month to start welding and laying the rails,” said a MMOPL spokesperson. The automated welding machine will be lifted by a crane and placed on the viaduct at Versova. The rails have been imported from Voestalpine company in Austria by the contractor, VNC Rail One. “Instead of the outdated technology of using fishplates to keep the rails together, we now use the flash butt welding machine which makes it a joint rail. The entire stretch needs approximately 3,000 welds and our target is about 50 welds a day, or 400 meters,” the spokesperson added.

Meanwhile, the work on the corridor is progressing rapidly with major works meeting deadlines, said the spokesperson. However, there are fears that the monsoon will bring down productivity. “We have taken into account that only 60 to 70 per cent productivity is achievable during the monsoon. We are still confident of completing the tasks in time. The monsoon is not heavy throughout the 24 hours. There are occasional heavy spells that last for 45 minutes to an hour. Work progresses as per schedule during other times,” the spokesperson explained. The deadline for the first corridor is now being revised to July 2012 from the earlier one of December 2010.

According to MMOPL, the cable stayed portion of the corridor is progressing and the first cables will be visible by mid-August. Work on the first segment of the bridge over Andheri railway lines is set to begin by August end.

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Rs375-crore project was aimed at covering stretch from Colaba to Santa Cruz

Whenever he reads reports about the proposed Colaba-Bandra metro, plans for which are stuck for want of funds, BN Desai's mind goes back to the 1970s, when he and a team of nearly 40 officers of the Indian Railways were working on a project to build an underground metro along the same route up to the Santa Cruz airport.

Desai, who worked with the railways for over 30 years, says they were close to performing a bhoomipujan for the project, but for some reason it did not happen.

Today, the cost of the underground metro between Colaba and Bandra is estimated to be a whopping Rs12,000 crore. But the Bombay Metropolitan Transport Project (Bombay MTP), planned by Desai and his team, would have cost just Rs375 crore.

"We had everything in place, from the techno-economic feasibility study to the detailed project report (DPR). We worked on the project from 1972 up to 1975. The project was to be carried out by the railways," said Desai who is on the threshold of turning 80.

According to the DPR — a set of 40-odd pages typed in the old format — the railways planned to run 46 trains with eight coaches each between Colaba and Santa Cruz. Interestingly, the line was to start at Colaba and cover both the central and western areas of the island city. From Colaba, the metro was to head towards Backbay, then move on to Mantralaya, Churchgate, and Azad Maidan. From there, it would have moved to Bombay VT (or CST, as it is called now), Crawford Market, Mumbadevi, Bhendi Bazaar, Nagpada, Byculla and then to Mahalaxmi.

"This was the first phase. The second phase would have been from Mahalaxmi to Kurla, and the last one was connecting the underground metro to the domestic airport," Desai told DNA.

Why was such an ambitious project shelved? "Only one person can answer the question - former prime minister, the late Indira Gandhi. The then railway minister Mohammad Shafiq Qureshi as well as the railway board had cleared all files related to the project after the plan was submitted in November 1972. Subsequently, the project was discussed at length in April 1973 with members of the planning commission. There were some minor issues such as foreign funding (of Rs64 crore). We also did some site surveys for the bhoomipujan. However, all went wrong somehow. We were dispersed and transferred to various locations," recalled Desai, the disappointment still showing on his face.

Source: DNAIndia.com

Man imagine if this had happened!!!!!

From what I asked in Bangalore and Chennai about gaps, I was told that it is for earthquake resistance.

Has the viaduct been completed OVER char bangla signal ???

...

No... they are still to complete the viaduct at char bangla signal. In fact JP road is still closed to traffic from Four bunglows to Indian oil Jn. (They said that they were closing the road for two & Half months but still no sign of opening the road).

^^ Going by the progress,it is not going to be opened before the end of the year (or atleast till Oct).

All the segments are precast in Mumbai Metro.

hey guys,

So it looks like the metro II will be overground and not under. This article came up today and is really really a shocker. And it also is a big blow to all the residents from parle west and khar who have been asking for an underground one. So it will be a first for any metro system in the world, the Metro-2 and the VAG corridor will have the worlds first metro crossing, possible at Char Bangla or Andheri station!!!:D:D

sigh! such a pathetic decision to go overground. In short, traveling via SV road will become nothing less than hell.

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/15/201106232011062308370614d932b825/What-a-metronomical-waste-skywalks-to-go.html

hey guys,

So it looks like the metro II will be overground and not under. This article came up today and is really really a shocker. And it also is a big blow to all the residents from parle west and khar who have been asking for an underground one. So it will be a first for any metro system in the world, the Metro-2 and the VAG corridor will have the worlds first metro crossing, possible at Char Bangla or Andheri station!!!:D:D

sigh! such a pathetic decision to go overground. In short, traveling via SV road will become nothing less than hell.

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/15/201106232011062308370614d932b825/What-a-metronomical-waste-skywalks-to-go.html

THese juhu residents are everywhere.......Just to shed a bit of light on your ignorance... its not crossing at Andheri Station.. its at DN Nagar... and god knows why will SV road suffer because of this.. in fact, most people between Bandra and Kandivli will now prefer the metro instead of the buses/rickshaws reducing load on SV road...if anything, the people along the route will be the first ones to add a premium to their properties in lieu of the metro...

THese juhu residents are everywhere.......Just to shed a bit of light on your ignorance... its not crossing at Andheri Station.. its at DN Nagar... and god knows why will SV road suffer because of this.. in fact, most people between Bandra and Kandivli will now prefer the metro instead of the buses/rickshaws reducing load on SV road...if anything, the people along the route will be the first ones to add a premium to their properties in lieu of the metro...

Indeed very true

^^ Going by the progress,it is not going to be opened before the end of the year (or atleast till Oct).

All the segments are precast in Mumbai Metro.
Precast?
You sure?
Are they using the 25m girder like Delhi ???

Man imagine if this had happened!!!!!

If this metro n the MTHL would had been in placed at that time then I am sure Mumbai would had been much diversified I.e. area wise. And also it could had been in one of the top financial hub in the world today...

Unfortunately these politicians mess up every thing just for there interest.... :(

If this had happened in 1970s, Mumbai would've been the baap of rapid transit in India.
Delhi and Calcutta would be jealous ...

Precast?
You sure?
Are they using the 25m girder like Delhi ???

Yes,same as delhi airport line
Only at junctions they are casting segments on site, dont know the reason

Yes,same as delhi airport line
Only at junctions they are casting segments on site, dont know the reason
That generally happens with all infra lines, junction casting.
Glad to know MM1 is using the 25m girder.
But, that should've have made work really fast.

Was Delhi airport express also Reliance ??

Yes, Unfortunately Delhi Metro Airport line was Relaince and the only line in DMRC to get delayed.....All thanks to super efficient reliance...

Yes, Unfortunately Delhi Metro Airport line was Relaince and the only line in DMRC to get delayed.....All thanks to super efficient reliance...
Is Reliance the only one using the 25m girder ???

THese juhu residents are everywhere.......Just to shed a bit of light on your ignorance... its not crossing at Andheri Station.. its at DN Nagar... and god knows why will SV road suffer because of this.. in fact, most people between Bandra and Kandivli will now prefer the metro instead of the buses/rickshaws reducing load on SV road...if anything, the people along the route will be the first ones to add a premium to their properties in lieu of the metro...

They are everywhere for a reason. Its a quaint little place which we all love going to, and will be ruined once the metro work begins. The adding premium to the property thing is fine but is there any space to make the overground metro? Take a ride from bandra to dahisar via link or sv road and tell me. Its my daily commute in these areas and its still such a pain in the a** after years of concretising the roads etc. And now they are going to break open these roads as well. I cant fathom why arent they ready to go underground for gods sake.

Both Link & S.V road still suffer and most certainly metro work will cut off one half of the road/ ruin it anyway. Visualise everyday traffic narrowed to one lane less, and add to it the potholes during rains and other calamities. Its going to be the worst my friend.

The project hasnt even rolled, but am sure once it does, we residents will be up in arms against it.

They are everywhere for a reason. Its a quaint little place which we all love going to, and will be ruined once the metro work begins. The adding premium to the property thing is fine but is there any space to make the overground metro? Take a ride from bandra to dahisar via link or sv road and tell me. Its my daily commute in these areas and its still such a pain in the a** after years of concretising the roads etc. And now they are going to break open these roads as well. I cant fathom why arent they ready to go underground for gods sake.

Both Link & S.V road still suffer and most certainly metro work will cut off one half of the road/ ruin it anyway. Visualise everyday traffic narrowed to one lane less, and add to it the potholes during rains and other calamities. Its going to be the worst my friend.

The project hasnt even rolled, but am sure once it does, we residents will be up in arms against it.

THAT is precisely where the metro will help.... but whatever floats your boat dude. ive been traveling the andheri kurla road for 3 years now and am not complaining...its the same problems, signals, concretizing, waterlogging and now metro construction...

Segment launcher has been placed on one of the pillars for cable stayed bridge
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THAT is precisely where the metro will help.... but whatever floats your boat dude. ive been traveling the andheri kurla road for 3 years now and am not complaining...its the same problems, signals, concretizing, waterlogging and now metro construction...
Exactly.
Work in progress, sorry for the inconvenience.
Give some time, the Metro will make you forget everything.

Besides, OH metro has an advantage: You get a good view ...
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So it can be done by October/November ???

I would be able to see the cable stayed structure from my terrace.
:cucumber::banana2::banana2::cucumber:

Today, the cost of the underground metro between Colaba and Bandra is estimated to be a whopping Rs12,000 crore. But the Bombay Metropolitan Transport Project (Bombay MTP), planned by Desai and his team, would have cost just Rs375 crore.

How can these reporters be so dumb? They don't even have a word called inflation in their dictionary.

Is Reliance the only one using the 25m girder ???

DMRC has decided to go with long girders for all of its elevated Phase-III lines. So the contractors will follow that norm.

How can these reporters be so dumb? They don't even have a word called inflation in their dictionary.



DMRC has decided to go with long girders for all of its elevated Phase-III lines. So the contractors will follow that norm.

Bhai, these reporters know JACK about infrastructure.


Is there any structural advantage of the longer girder???

Is there any structural advantage of the longer girder???

Less construction time, that's what DMRC said.

THAT is precisely where the metro will help.... but whatever floats your boat dude. ive been traveling the andheri kurla road for 3 years now and am not complaining...its the same problems, signals, concretizing, waterlogging and now metro construction...

Well if that floats your ship, sorry, doesnt buy me. We got even worse congested cities than Mumbai across the world which have much better Metro systems, for the record underground ones, its just that the underground plan doesnt seem to interest the politicos and associated parties alike here.

Tell you what Andheri Kurla is still better off, the link and sv roads are far worse congested. Even worse: short signals, water logging, short cuts which lead to unnecessary jams etc etc.

So besides the electrical part, what percentage of construction is estimated to be remaining?

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It looks like its made of polished leather!! Top-notch quality! Greetings & congratulations Mumbaikaars, from Calcutta. You are certainly getting the best infrastructure and coaches in the country. It will remain the best for a long time to come.

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The viaduct looks like its made of polished leather!! Top-notch quality! Greetings & congratulations Mumbaikaars, from Calcutta. You are certainly getting the best infrastructure and coaches in the country. It will remain the best for a long time to come.

coaches from china? best?

you gotta wait some more time to infer that...

DMRC has decided to go with long girders for all of its elevated Phase-III lines. So the contractors will follow that norm.

ive read a report where span of delhi metro girders is as much as 80-90 m. ofcourse there are many advantages. No pier, foundation cost, no land acquisition in congested areas... etc

Is that an actual coach?
Looks like a render to me ...

Of course it's a render.

Actual coaches look just the same. See page 1 of the thread.

Actual coaches look just the same. See page 1 of the thread.
I know that. It's just that the pic here seemed to fluidic to be real ...

thats a render

Why was such an ambitious project shelved? "Only one person can answer the question - former prime minister, the late Indira Gandhi. The then railway minister Mohammad Shafiq Qureshi as well as the railway board had cleared all files related to the project after the plan was submitted in November 1972. Subsequently, the project was discussed at length in April 1973 with members of the planning commission. There were some minor issues such as foreign funding (of Rs64 crore). We also did some site surveys for the bhoomipujan. However, all went wrong somehow. We were dispersed and transferred to various locations," recalled Desai, the disappointment still showing on his face.

:bash:

:bash:
Yes, we all know what happens in India.
Well, better late than never.

^^ +1

If this had happened in 1970s, Mumbai would've been the baap of rapid transit in India.
Delhi and Calcutta would be jealous ...

Not really,...friend calcutta's Metro construction already started in 1971....n as per plan there should have been 5 to 6 lines by now.....also, the proposals for underground metro was mooted for calcutta even before independence.....there is even a trans Hoogly u/g tunnel under the river since 100 yrs.....!

Not really,...friend calcutta's Metro construction already started in 1971....n as per plan there should have been 5 to 6 lines by now.....also, the proposals for underground metro was mooted for calcutta even before independence.....there is even a trans Hoogly u/g tunnel under the river since 100 yrs.....!
Point, but Cal Metro took a loong time to complete.

everything in calcutta takes a long time to complete.. even if you want to bribe a minister, its a lengthy process..

everything in calcutta takes a long time to complete.. even if you want to bribe a minister, its a lengthy process..

:lol:

Point, but Cal Metro took a loong time to complete.

Everytime there was a Rail Minister from the state the Metro construction reached a milestone. So only after Ghani Khan Chowdury became Railway Minister he managed to get the never ending Kolkata Metro to speed up and start running on two stretches. That push put the Kolkata metro back on track. After that there was a pause. Then came Miss Mamata. In her earlier stint under NDA she pushed for the extension project to Garia. She resigned and the project went on at a snail's pace. In her second stint she managed to finally get that extension to Garia running and plan for many new routes. She also pushed for AC rakes (they have problems but at least she forced the lazy bums to think about delivering something). Now that she is no longer there, the city may have to wait for another railway minister from the state to push for completion of various metro projects and arrangement of funds.

Most railway ministers end up favouring their homestates. The Indian Railways should be better managed to meet the needs of the entire country rather than the political needs of individual ministers.

^^ Agree but that's just next to impossible

^^ Agree but that's just next to impossible

even though this may be off topic in this thread i can't help say'n that the zones should have autonomy n ppp should be taken seriously.......cal metro is slow coz its managed from IR in the center......wherelse all other indian metros are state run with jv......:bash: )even though Kol Metro b'came a separate zone recently....i thnk all megacities of India should be given autonomous status.....or double state status....in the lines of china - for hongkong, macau, etc......just chk for urself...how much delhi has developed....!

THAT is precisely where the metro will help.... but whatever floats your boat dude. ive been traveling the andheri kurla road for 3 years now and am not complaining...its the same problems, signals, concretizing, waterlogging and now metro construction...

So, tell me what is the criteria for going underground according to you. Why the hell, cities across world go underground? Just for fun! You are the only soul in Mumbai who doesnt compain on the congestion in Andheri Kurla Road. People dread of hearing the name even! And certainly it will be an obstacle in future infra projects like extending SEARS, flyovers etc. Moreover, Line 2 will take much longe tme to complete given the complexities involved. Just that a few like the view of an elevated metro, the residents cannot suffer for 8-10 good years. It is already 3.5 years since Line 1 started.

The western burbs of Mumbai is easily one among the top 10 densest sub-cities in the world with a population of about 8 million and density of over 50000.

thats a render

^^^^^^

Tu aamchi thread maa kaahe ? :banana:

So, tell me what is the criteria for going underground according to you. Why the hell, cities across world go underground? Just for fun! You are the only soul in Mumbai who doesnt compain on the congestion in Andheri Kurla Road. People dread of hearing the name even! And certainly it will be an obstacle in future infra projects like extending SEARS, flyovers etc. Moreover, Line 2 will take much longe tme to complete given the complexities involved. Just that a few like the view of an elevated metro, the residents cannot suffer for 8-10 good years. It is already 3.5 years since Line 1 started.

The western burbs of Mumbai is easily one among the top 10 densest sub-cities in the world with a population of about 8 million and density of over 50000.

UG doesn't have complexities??? Truth is UG is not desirable simply because we are not good enough for that. UG requires very high level (quality) of maintenance, safety and construction to ensure long term utility.. and given the proximity of the line towards the sea along with MMRDAs (since it would essentially be under state control after some time) tendency to cut corners, this would be impossible. To give a perspective on ONE OF THE reasons why JUHU people are so much against an elevated metro, is because that would mean restricted construction (coz FSI wouldn't be available unless there is a change in law) in or around it (translation: instead of billions, they would only make millions).. .

So the criteria for me is - build it only if you can afford it and have the required expertise... the engineers from across the world may come and build the metro but it takes a lot more than jhadu pocha to maintain it..

chicken and egg. you wont get the expertise if you dont build these kind of projects. and according to you we shouldnt build them unless we have the expertise

with that kind of thinking there wouldnt be any new large scale infra project in india from metros to airports to ports to refineries. thankfully not everyone thinks the same way

chicken and egg. you wont get the expertise if you dont build these kind of projects. and according to you we shouldnt build them unless we have the expertise

with that kind of thinking there wouldnt be any new large scale infra project in india from metros to airports to ports to refineries. thankfully not everyone thinks the same way

Yep, I guess you can say that. Coz with MMRDA, even if we have the expertise, its no use... like those BMC engineers rotting away their skills because of politics and corruption.... i know this might be off topic but this goes hand in hand.. for example, in road widening in our area, MMRDA removed only those shops who agreed... those who litigated (with political connections) or bribed them (its an open secret in the locality) stayed that way. and in the widened portions there are illegally parked vehicles..... so now, instead of smoother traffic, there are more hawkers in the area around the corners where the shops managed to stick on... and resultingly, more traffic.. There isnt a complete denouncement of UG.. its just that we are just not made for it. Now that i think of it, UG would also require forced ventilation systems (meaning more power and hence more recurring cost)... MMRDA has screwed up royally in VAG and dragging on..it has suggested innumberable changes in location of pillars, entry and exit points, column placements along the route (yes i can spk so much coz i have the inside dope :)) i dont wanna think about the ramifications of MMRDAs lacklustre approach in a UG metro.

^^

I think we should give up on the idea of Metro. Anyway we would not maintain it whether it is elevated or underground. Why build it?

UG doesn't have complexities??? Truth is UG is not desirable simply because we are not good enough for that. UG requires very high level (quality) of maintenance, safety and construction to ensure long term utility.. and given the proximity of the line towards the sea along with MMRDAs (since it would essentially be under state control after some time) tendency to cut corners, this would be impossible. To give a perspective on ONE OF THE reasons why JUHU people are so much against an elevated metro, is because that would mean restricted construction (coz FSI wouldn't be available unless there is a change in law) in or around it (translation: instead of billions, they would only make millions).. .

So the criteria for me is - build it only if you can afford it and have the required expertise... the engineers from across the world may come and build the metro but it takes a lot more than jhadu pocha to maintain it..

Underground has complexities which had been aaddressed in many places in India and across the world (Kolkata is a good example; for the tiem it was built, it isdefinitely good). But the problems in elvated are kinda unique to Mumbai (with dense crowded roads,railways,hawkers, flyovers on highways without any space on the surroundings and 10 floor buildings next to it).

And the most imporatnt thing, it doesnt affect the public during and after construction.

And yes, it is not only Juhu, the whole of Mumbai deserves underground (more so ,in the western parts). Cost per km should not be the only viability indicator,we should see ,cost per capita and cost vs future revenues. Though the cost may be higher,the density and linear geography will bring in more revenues than any other city.

Underground has complexities which had been aaddressed in many places in India and across the world (Kolkata is a good example; for the tiem it was built, it isdefinitely good). But the problems in elvated are kinda unique to Mumbai (with dense crowded roads,railways,hawkers, flyovers on highways without any space on the surroundings and 10 floor buildings next to it).

And the most imporatnt thing, it doesnt affect the public during and after construction.

And yes, it is not only Juhu, the whole of Mumbai deserves underground (more so ,in the western parts). Cost per km should not be the only viability indicator,we should see ,cost per capita and cost vs future revenues. Though the cost may be higher,the density and linear geography will bring in more revenues than any other city.

I agree to that. Even though theoretically the construction of an underground line should take longer, in Mumbai, it is the exact opposite. And it may not entirely be MMRDA's fault. It is not fair to blame it entirely on planning either, as it is the Govt's policy not to grant the right of way at one go. Hence, according to me, the MMRDA has done its possible best. However, what it CAN do is target for an UG at the outset so that it doesnt make the people suffer. I am a regular commuter on Andheri-Kurla road and I think the conditions become suffocating there. I cannot imagine the same things happening on the even more congested roads in the western suburbs.

If cost is the factor, then it is no surprise that due to the delays the cost actually goes up considerably. So why not accept it in the begining and save the people of Mumbai some precious time, effort and money.

That's the main point in the ug debate....It will be interesting to see what the final cost per km of the VAG line including all the rehabilitation and land acquisition costs. I wouldn't be surprised if the cost per km doubles, even after accounting for inflation.

The point that MMRDA and others haven't understood is that while the costs of construction per km of elevated is lesser (by at least 1/2) there are unquantified costs to the public agencies and time-delay costs that increase the overall cost per km (While you may argue this happens in any city, in dense cities like NY and Mumbai, these costs are exacerbated.
If cost is the factor, then it is no surprise that due to the delays the cost actually goes up considerably. So why not accept it in the begining and save the people of Mumbai some precious time, effort and money.

MMRDA notification narrowing the RL (REgular Line) of JP Road between Navrang and Andheri Station West. Narrowing the road could possibly imply a couple of things.
1. The metro requires a free road of atleast 30 meters on both sides as per rules.... this rule is broken in this case...
2. MMRDA does away with the need for roadwidening now that the RL is changed to even lower limits. Because usually they calculate from end to end while the actually usaeg my barely be 50-60% of the road, factoring pedestrien traffic, parked vehicles and shops encroaching...
3. Any development along this road now would have to give up less land (meaning more to the developer) since the RL is now at a lower limit.

IMO UG metro will finally cost Mumbai at least Rs 900-950 cr/ km because if initially they talk about Rs 600cr / km then by the time it gets completed(average 6-7 years for mumbai) the inflation will come into play and it will be a very costly affair.

Once financial closure is achieved, there will be less obstacles for UG; delays and hence cost escalation may not be high.

MMRDA quotes higher costs to avoid UG because PPP is not possible in UG. there had been no response from MMRDA when JVPD association asked justicfication for such high costs? There is noreason to believe that undergroundin Mumbai costs double that of other cities.

If elevated, we will see lot of compromises as we are seeing in Andheri station - Navrang cinema stetch in Line 1

IMO UG metro will finally cost Mumbai at least Rs 900-950 cr/ km because if initially they talk about Rs 600cr / km then by the time it gets completed(average 6-7 years for mumbai) the inflation will come into play and it will be a very costly affair.

900-950 crs/Km !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was 300crs in Delhi..............

Just read this in a report related to Mumbai Metro.... and here is the link - http://indiatransportportal.com/2011/03/mmrda-unveils-steel-bridge-over-railway-line-for-metro-rail/

The Metro Railway Administration will be paying charges equivalent of 99% of the market value of the land plus nominal charges of rupees one thousand per annum for a period of 35 years, extendable for a further period of 35 years to the Railways. Also, the overhead crossing charges of rupees fifty thousand per annum for the area of land and rupees one lakh per annum for a two-track metro for each block of 100 meter stretch of length of crossing”, said Dilip Kawathkar, Joint Project Director (PR), MMRDA.

And the render

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And the render

http://indiatransportportal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/MMRDA-METRO-STEEL-BRIDGE.jpg

looks like delhi metro...

seems they are pretty serious about conducting the test runs this year.

http://www.indiainfoline.com/Markets/News/Work-of-overhead-electrification-for-Metro-begins/5187912268

And the render

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Is this the bridge over WR? No pillar in the middle of the tracks? Then what is all the work going on between the tracks, why are they digging there?

probably a temporary pillar to be used for construction purposes

All this just for temporary support?

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Anyway this is the pic of the pillar on the left of the tracks on the render.

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With the amount of time, delays & engineering effort attributed to the VAG line going over the WEH and Andheri station, image the mess and logistical headache on the eastern section of the Charkop-Mankhurd line - It has to cross over 8 lines near Kurla station and cross 3 flyovers and 1 monorail.

All this just for temporary support?



Anyway this is the pic of the pillar on the left of the tracks on the render.

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UG doesn't have complexities??? Truth is UG is not desirable simply because we are not good enough for that. UG requires very high level (quality) of maintenance, safety and construction to ensure long term utility.. and given the proximity of the line towards the sea along with MMRDAs (since it would essentially be under state control after some time) tendency to cut corners, this would be impossible. To give a perspective on ONE OF THE reasons why JUHU people are so much against an elevated metro, is because that would mean restricted construction (coz FSI wouldn't be available unless there is a change in law) in or around it (translation: instead of billions, they would only make millions).. .

So the criteria for me is - build it only if you can afford it and have the required expertise... the engineers from across the world may come and build the metro but it takes a lot more than jhadu pocha to maintain it..

^^ I don't think it's correct... A hugw portion of delhi and kokata metro is UG.. and they are being maintained very well... and there are no problems..
Mumbai metro also has some UG portions planned... These people are thinking about the cost of going UG.. Also this cost depends on the soil properties...

One segment is up,they were getting ready to lift one from another side
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g8 nice one .. thnx

Thanks CG !!

One segment is up,they were getting ready to lift one from another side


:okay::okay:

So this section should be ready in another month or so if rains are not heavy?

Just read this in a report related to Mumbai Metro.... and here is the link - http://indiatransportportal.com/2011/03/mmrda-unveils-steel-bridge-over-railway-line-for-metro-rail/

The Metro Railway Administration will be paying charges equivalent of 99% of the market value of the land plus nominal charges of rupees one thousand per annum for a period of 35 years, extendable for a further period of 35 years to the Railways. Also, the overhead crossing charges of rupees fifty thousand per annum for the area of land and rupees one lakh per annum for a two-track metro for each block of 100 meter stretch of length of crossing”, said Dilip Kawathkar, Joint Project Director (PR), MMRDA.

If this is the reason for high costs, it should not be included in the cost-benfit analysis. Afterall it is a revenue for some department (for nothing) within India.

If it applies to UG too, then CG can fund a higher share of viability gap funding. It is compensated in the form of high revenues for IR.

Andheri ghatkopar LR on a Sunday

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Airport station

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Airport station

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sorry to be thick.. could you please advise me where is this airport station exactly constructed.... if you dont mind could you show it to us on map... ?

sorry to be thick.. could you please advise me where is this airport station exactly constructed.... if you dont mind could you show it to us on map... ?

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hey coolguyz can i ask u one thing d airport station which is der here can u see d viaduct goes inside the station but it should go on top of it isnt dat wrong or im wrong can u explain me plsss

hey coolguyz can i ask u one thing d airport station which is der here can u see d viaduct goes inside the station but it should go on top of it isnt dat wrong or im wrong can u explain me plsss

It might be the angle of pic giving you that feeling. Its gonna be like any other metro station.On the top is the temporary railings you are seeing in case you thought there is gonna be another floor on top.In the below pic, red line is the tracks, and brown is where the roof is gonna be.

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hey coolguyz can i ask u one thing d airport station which is der here can u see d viaduct goes inside the station but it should go on top of it isnt dat wrong or im wrong can u explain me plsss

Please type like a normal person. You sound like a idiot.

listen coolguyz show us d progress of other stations like sakina WEH ghatkopar marol naka and all dis station loooks quite good and it looks almost finished

[QUOTE=sammyk;80771660]Please type like a normal person. You soun

Please type like a normal person. You sound like a idiot.

wats ur problem did i say anything to u so just shut up ur mouth k

listen coolguyz show us d progress of other stations like sakina WEH ghatkopar marol naka and all dis station loooks quite good and it looks almost finished

check my last update on station somtimes like 10 days back, nothin major difference now.

wats ur problem did i say anything to u so just shut up ur mouth k

You still sound like an idiot.

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Thnx.... much appreciated....

Do u have any idea how will passengers go to airport from the airport station... its still quite a walk from the airport station isn't it.... or are they making any kind of connectivity with the station??!!

Thnx.... much appreciated....

Do u have any idea how will passengers go to airport from the airport station... its still quite a walk from the airport station isn't it.... or are they making any kind of connectivity with the station??!!

Yes, you wont be able to walk from station,it will be cost minimum by rick or taxi. Once it becomes popular , ricks,taxis will themselves stand outside stations to take you to nearby important destination just like local trains now

So close to the airport and yet so far. They should have planned for a station right at the airport terminal.

Do u have any idea how will passengers go to airport from the airport station... its still quite a walk from the airport station isn't it.... or are they making any kind of connectivity with the station??!!

There will be an underground rail connection to T2.

hey coolguyz can i ask u one thing d airport station which is der here can u see d viaduct goes inside the station but it should go on top of it isnt dat wrong or im wrong can u explain me plsss

i dun rlly lik da way u typ. it rlly is painful 2 eyz... plz dun typ dis way... der's nothin kul in typin lik dis...

There will be an underground rail connection to T2.

Aah, got it. So just like an underground shuttle?

^^Not really, and AFAIK, the airport line will extend south to BKC.

^^Not really, and AFAIK, the airport line will extend south to BKC.

Sorry whats AFAIK? could you please elaborate us what exactly the plan is i.e. how will they connect it to airport...? if possible on map ... !

http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/140191/plan-to-decongest-mumbai-airport-hits-roadblock.html

from IBN Live...

Sorry whats AFAIK? could you please elaborate us what exactly the plan is i.e. how will they connect it to airport...? if possible on map ... !

AFAIK = As Far As I Know

AFAIK = As Far As I Know

thnx.. for that

http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/140191/plan-to-decongest-mumbai-airport-hits-roadblock.html

from IBN Live...

Don't know why security isn't a top priority anytime- slums encroaching around the Juhu airport.

der is no news about metro wats hapened are d mmrda guys gone for vacation

the electrification work has begun collguyz pls post some pics of dat

the electrification work has begun collguyz pls post some pics of dat

Kahan pe bhai???

der is no news about metro wats hapened are d mmrda guys gone for vacation

Yah, they couldn't understand a word you were saying so they left.

Yah, they couldn't understand a word you were saying so they left.

:lol::lol:

:lol:

They were supposed to start work on line 2 from early 2010 when foundation stone was laid in 2009. Its mid 2011 yet no sign of physical work. Sometimes to see progress of any project in Mumbai is very frustrating. In this way Line 2 may be completed by 2020.

Bangalore metro has managed to started construction of metro lines on multple reaches parallelly though it has a serious traffic problem so no reason why Mumbai cannot do it.

Somewhere between andheri station (West) and Indian oil Jn.

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Five Bunglows(Last station)

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Indian oil Jn.

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^^
Nice Pics CG ! - correction four/seven bunglows insted of five bunglows.

Great update. But
Five Bunglows(Last station)


:rofl:

Oops....jaldi jaldi mein forgot how many bunglows are there.in.andheri:P

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There will be an underground rail connection to T2.

I have seen that in some maps, but there is nothing from MMRDA or anyone else on that connection. I believe that a connection would be something like this:
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They are planning connectivity in Metro phase 3, but the alignment may just change with time. I guess the problem in deviating was the presence of hotels all around the airport road and hence land acquisition problems.

http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/PUBLICATIONS/HT/HM/2011/07/07/Article//003/07_07_2011_003_003.jpg

The state government's ambitious monorail and Metro projects could temporarily go off the track because the implementing agencies, the Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation (BMC) and the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA), are not able to arrive on a consensus over the future of the families affected by the projects. The bone of contention is six BMC plots that the MMRDA needs to construct car sheds, yards and stations for the 32-km-long Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd route.

However, the BMC refuses to give up the land until MMRDA comes up with a comprehensive rehabilitation and resettlement (R&R) policy for the 1,200 project-affected families, who are a large vote-bank for the Shiv Sena-BJP ruled BMC. Despite a desperate plea made by MMRDA officials on Wednesday, the BMC's improvements committee threatened to re-align proposed projects on its plots unless a fresh baseline survey is conducted and 1995-datum line is applied to it. The state's policy is to apply 2000 as the cut-off year for mega projects. "Since we can't leave the future of these families hanging, we could only ask you to change alignment," said chairman of the committee Bhalchandra Shirsat. MMRDA officials said that changing alignment would cost them Rs 200 crore for every altered kilometre length. This would affect the viability gap funding of the project and derail it completely.

"The R&R policy is not in our control and we could only request the state to consider this case as an exception and set the cut-off date to pre-1995," said an MMRDA official.

It has been a year since the MMRDA proposals to change reservation of plots were presented to the BMC. On June 26, 2010, the committee deliberated on the proposals which were sent by the state government under Section 37 (1) (aa) of the Development Control Rules ( DCR). The section makes it binding on the corporation to clear any proposal in a stipulated time-frame. The MMRDA also wants to construct an underground car depot under the stables at Mahalaxmi race course.

The BMC had refused to give up the land until MMRDA comes up with a rehabilitation and resettlement policy for project-affected families.



Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/BMC-MMRDA-in-a-tussle-over-rehabilitation/articleshow/9129986.cms

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A worker at the Metro site in Andheri (W) died on Thursday after he slipped and fell off a beam. He succumbed to injuries at a hospital. The incident comes within six days of an accident at a monorail site in Chembur where two labourers were killed late in the night. Their colleagues had alleged that the two were not wearing safety harness equipment at the time of the accident.

On Thursday, the accident occurred on J P Road in the morning but the media was informed about it late in the evening. A source in the MMRDA, one of the agencies in charge of the Metro work, said Banbari Lal did not have the safety equipment on at the time of the accident. Lal was a labourer of Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd, which is executing the phase 1 of Metro or the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar corridor.

"The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority regretfully accounts for an accident which took place near Navrang Cinema, J P Road, Andheri West, today and claimed the life of a worker. Notwithstanding the fact that the mishap took place due to utter negligence on the part of the worker, who failed to hook his safety line at the time of the fall despite the fact that he was provided with complete safety gear ie safety helmet , boots, jacket and double safety lanyard, the accident was indeed unfortunate," read a statement from joint director (PR) of MMRDA Dilip Kawathkar.

There have been three major accidents at Metro sites in the past four years. One person died when a crane crashed on an auto near Andheri and another person was electrocuted at a site, also in Andheri. In the third accident, a scaffold collapsed, but no one died.

Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Worker-dies-after-falling-off-beam-at-Andheri-Metro-site/articleshow/9144723.cms

In the third accident, a scaffold collapsed, but no one died.

Classic.

Any idea why we're seeing no sign of construction for the CBM corridoor ? Financial issues ? I hope they atleast start work on the Charkop-Andheri section first and link it up to the VAG corridoor.

Work of overhead electrification for Metro begins

Mumbai, – With the prospect of riding the Metro drawing close, the construction work of Metro is gaining momentum. The work of erecting the OHE masts (overhead electrification systems) on viaduct has commenced in a big way and 135 out of the 750 masts (poles) required for the overhead wiring have already been erected. The height of each mast – weighing about 550 kg – varies from 6 to 8 Meters depending on the designs.
“Power supply and electrification for a project like Metro Rail is probably it’s most critical part. The power required to run the trains is supplied at 25,000 volts through overhead electrification system. In short, this system provides life to Metro Rail. We are working hard to complete the task as early as possible on a stretch where Metro tests could be conducted this year”, said Mr. Dilip Kawathkar, Joint Project Director (PR), MMRDA.
Commenting on the development, Mumbai Metro One Pvt. Ltd. spokesperson said, “We have designed the entire system to the highest standard of safety following the most stringent standards and design codes”.
These masts are erected during the early hours from 1.00 am to 5.00 am. The distance between the two poles, on an average, is 30 meters

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