Maybe we can now use HIGH SCHOOL MATHEMATICS, esp Calculus, integrate and find area bound by the "curves." ...

Don't remind me of curves,...hell!!!! I was designing a roof yesterday which has a complex profile :bash: needed to calculate the quantum of water to be drained during a worst rain+gust condition..Drainage system demanded water be tapped at 90 degrees to its flow..I just could not do it :(

Don't remind me of curves,...hell!!!! I was designing a roof yesterday which has a complex profile :bash: needed to calculate the quantum of water to be drained during a worst rain+gust condition..Drainage system demanded water be tapped at 90 degrees to its flow..I just could not do it :(

Take inspiration from Reliance Infra.

Take inspiration from Reliance Infra.

Well there was a girl named "Prerana",I will only get confused with more complex curves pinging my mind......Please I don't want any prerana now...:lol:

If the depot was in the east, maybe in six months.
Else say 10-15 months.

what do you mean by that? Eastern parts have serious problems in Ghatkopar and Asalpha. Infact there is a chance that Versova-Sakinaka may be opened first if they could not solve the land acquisition problems in time

i hope india hs the same copy that metro fever when it comes to installing public toilets, mechanised street cleaning, 21 C sewege systems and decent poor peoples housing.Though at 7% growth the whole place should be very differnt in a decade :-)

i hope india hs the same copy that metro fever when it comes to installing public toilets, mechanised street cleaning, 21 C sewege systems and decent poor peoples housing.Though at 7% growth the whole place should be very differnt in a decade :-)

I ain't too optimistic.
Blr metro hhas atms, wifi, no toilets.

i hope india hs the same copy that metro fever when it comes to installing public toilets, mechanised street cleaning, 21 C sewege systems and decent poor peoples housing.Though at 7% growth the whole place should be very differnt in a decade :-)
Call me pessimistic, but I think it will take more than a decade for those things to fall in place, 7% growth or not. But who knows, maybe awe-inducing infrastructure projects like metro systems will inspire some little kid to be the person who will bring change to this country.

Call me pessimistic, but I think it will take more than a decade for those things to fall in place, 7% growth or not. But who knows, maybe awe-inducing infrastructure projects like metro systems will inspire some little kid to be the person who will bring change to this country.

Honestly, the people trying to bring about a change just need your support! Political apathy is what plagues most people that do have the balls and the vision to shape our future.

Seven percent growth isn't making much difference.
All infra companies are doing bad in the Stock Market.

Going at this pace it might come down to a race between blore metro Reach 3 and first line of mumbai metro..which will open first
But i want mumbai to start its ops as early as possible..the viaducts looks so sleek compared to other metros
Yes you are right. I guess its Mid 2013 or even Diwali 2013 for the first line to be operational. Bangalore has infact started construction on multiple reaches, sadly construction on even 2nd line in Mumbai has not started. I was so happy back in 2004 to know that all 9 lines would be operational by 2013.

Yes you are right. I guess its Mid 2013 or even Diwali 2013 for the first line to be operational. Bangalore has infact started construction on multiple reaches, sadly construction on even 2nd line in Mumbai has not started. I was so happy back in 2004 to know that all 9 lines would be operational by 2013.

2013 was a typo error MMRDA actually wanted to say 2033 till then :cheers:

2013 was a typo error MMRDA actually wanted to say 2033 till then :cheers:

Lol.
Seriously, if everything moved as fast as the WEH bridge, we'd be on a train now.

Anyone know if there are any elevated track sections still left to be constructed and where abouts? in the next couple of months?? any info would be great thanks, I have read all the reports and seen the pics, but without being there it's hard to tell on a day-to-day basis exactly what has been constructed!

Has any residential housing or public buildings been demolished for the MM1?

thanks guys, just doing a bit of research

^^
http://www.mumbai-metro.com/projec-update

I hope this links. For detailed research, I'm afraid you may actually have to visit the site. With proper authorization you shall have easy access to much more information that we here can ever hope to give.
Offcourse, feel free to share any of that once you receive it.

Seven percent growth isn't making much difference.
All infra companies are doing bad in the Stock Market.

:cripes:

Anyone know if there are any elevated track sections still left to be constructed and where abouts? in the next couple of months?? any info would be great thanks, I have read all the reports and seen the pics, but without being there it's hard to tell on a day-to-day basis exactly what has been constructed!

Has any residential housing or public buildings been demolished for the MM1?

thanks guys, just doing a bit of research

The elevated stretch from versova to navrang cinema near andheri station (west) is done, portion over railway is to be done. From Andheri station station (east) upto WEH is done, cable stayed bridge over Jog flyover in progres, from WEH station upto asalpha hill done in between one pillar near airport junction is left. asalpha station to ghatkopar station a diatance of 500 m is left.

No residential or commercial properties were demolished, only a temple was relocated near sakinaka Jn. There is another temple in way of constructing station near alsapha but t they talks have broken so they are going ahead without building the station,also that station was useless according to me

:cripes:

Again, I was serious.

The elevated stretch from versova to navrang cinema near andheri station (west) is done, portion over railway is to be done. From Andheri station station (east) upto WEH is done, cable stayed bridge over Jog flyover in progres, from WEH station upto asalpha hill done in between one pillar near airport junction is left. asalpha station to ghatkopar station a diatance of 500 m is left.

No residential or commercial properties were demolished, only a temple was relocated near sakinaka Jn. There is another temple in way of constructing station near alsapha but t they talks have broken so they are going ahead without building the station,also that station was useless according to me

Thanks CG for the summary ! I was hoping to hear that for quite some time !! :cheers: I presume they even started laying down the tracks somewhere along, right ?

Well by 2020 i guess hardly 2 lines will be built..according to the master plan by 2011 65 km of metro had to b built.but thats impossible.

Well by 2020 i guess hardly 2 lines will be built..according to the master plan by 2011 65 km of metro had to b built.but thats impossible.
If not 2011, then 2016.

The elevated stretch from versova to navrang cinema near andheri station (west) is done, portion over railway is to be done. From Andheri station station (east) upto WEH is done, cable stayed bridge over Jog flyover in progres, from WEH station upto asalpha hill done in between one pillar near airport junction is left. asalpha station to ghatkopar station a diatance of 500 m is left.

No residential or commercial properties were demolished, only a temple was relocated near sakinaka Jn. There is another temple in way of constructing station near alsapha but t they talks have broken so they are going ahead without building the station,also that station was useless according to me

Great summary CG.

But, a small part between WEH and Mahakali Caves Road junction is yet to be done. Also, I am not sure, if the portion between Andheri station and WEH is complete (It has been ages, since I went that side; but considering the status about 6 months back, it is a quick job if it is completed)

A part of hospital land has to be acquired near Ghatkopar station, I believe. And, I dont know how they are going to build pillars on the narrow alley on Andheri West side without demolition.

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Again, I was serious.

so do you want Hindu growth rate of 4%? Huh?

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Thanks coolguyz looks g8

so do you want Hindu growth rate of 4%? Huh?
India's so called growth rate and GDP rogress and all the nonsense MMS and Sonia Gandu have been quoting makes no sense.
All I see is INFLATION, RISING FUEL PRICES and RISING ANARCHY.

Super updates coolguyz.

very clear pics, thanks cg

Great pictures. October heat is evident. :nuts:

Great summary CG.

But, a small part between WEH and Mahakali Caves Road junction is yet to be done. Also, I am not sure, if the portion between Andheri station and WEH is complete (It has been ages, since I went that side; but considering the status about 6 months back, it is a quick job if it is completed)

A part of hospital land has to be acquired near Ghatkopar station, I believe. And, I dont know how they are going to build pillars on the narrow alley on Andheri West side without demolition.

Yes the portion between Andheri and WEH is almost done except 2 small sections one over Telli gully & other adjoining the Andheri metro station.
They had earlier closed that area on the narrow alley & I thought they were doing a pillar there. But strangely now it has been opened with no sign of a pillar.

^^ I think it'll be a loong girder.

Great pics coolguyz..the work reeks of good quality but cant help noticing the fact that the disgusting posters of some useless political party has already made its appearance..

Great pics coolguyz..the work reeks of good quality but cant help noticing the fact that the disgusting posters of some useless political party has already made its appearance..

That starts when they erect barricades.

Nice pics :cheers:

At least one-year wait for metro

Source: HT (http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Mumbai/At-least-one-year-wait-for-metro/Article1-759771.aspx)
Mumbai’s wait for metro rail seems to be never ending. In February 2008, the residents were promised that the city’s first air-conditioned urban transport system would be functional in 30 months. But, 44 months and six metro lines —five in Delhi and one in Bangalore — later, the promise remains unfulfilled.

The delay in the 11.07-km metro line project, estimated to cost Rs 2,356 crore, can be attributed to bad planning, conflict with the railways, congested roads and opposition from citizens’ groups. “The commercial operations on the metro line would be possible by November 2012, provided all statutory clearances are received,” the Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd (MMOPL) told the state at its meeting in September.

Admitting that they need to set a realistic deadline, an official from the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA), said: “In Bangalore, a 7.5-km stretch on relatively less congested roads was constructed in 54 months. In Mumbai, we will be completing a 11.07-km line on a busy stretch in 57 months.” Rahul Asthana, metropolitan commissioner, said: “It is a first-of-its-kind project in the city. It has been a learning curve for all of us. We can promise that by the last quarter of 2012, Mumbaiites will be riding in the metro rail.”

The MMOPL has, so far, missed five deadlines for the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar metro, work on which began in 2008. As per the terms of the agreement, the construction work should have been completed by March 2011. But the failure of the state and the MMOPL in seeking permission to build a bridge over Andheri railway station has delayed the project.

Ratnakar Gaikwad, chief secretary of the state, has asked the MMOPL to expedite the work so that the metro can be opened to the public by August 2012. There are also talks of opening the metro partially, before August.

At least one-year wait for metro

Source: HT (http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Mumbai/At-least-one-year-wait-for-metro/Article1-759771.aspx)


Dont believe the press too often.

India's so called growth rate and GDP rogress and all the nonsense MMS and Sonia Gandu have been quoting makes no sense.
All I see is INFLATION, RISING FUEL PRICES and RISING ANARCHY.



:nuts:

qualify for my signature :cheers:

BTW nice pics CG as always :)

Re : delays - india: its its own worst enemy . . . . .

so do you want Hindu growth rate of 4%? Huh?

2%, not 4. :lol:

And we should rename it to NehruGandhi rate of growth. :yes:

2%, not 4. :lol:

And we should rename it to NehruGandhi rate of growth. :yes:
nehrugandu you mean.

Seven percent growth isn't making much difference.
All infra companies are doing bad in the Stock Market.

I agree. Its not about the quantum of growth, but rather the collective apathy and our approach to public facilities and property.

Dont believe the press too often.

Too often?? Make that never. :rant: Most (and not all) are accidental reporters and not there by choice. That seeps through in the sub-standard, speculative and sensationalized reportage that we are all bombarded with night and day. This used to be my favorite rant and I am back on my soapbox!

Too often?? Make that never. :rant: Most (and not all) are accidental reporters and not there by choice. That seeps through in the sub-standard, speculative and sensationalized reportage that we are all bombarded with night and day. This used to be my favorite rant and I am back on my soapbox!

Agreed.
Esp Property reporters who have no clue about anything whatsoever.

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Is it just me or there are more ppl who cant see the pics?

Is it just me or there are more ppl who cant see the pics?

I see a link saying Adult image host in your quote.

Coolguyz.. thank you thank you! really appreciate this information :)


The elevated stretch from versova to navrang cinema near andheri station (west) is done, portion over railway is to be done. From Andheri station station (east) upto WEH is done, cable stayed bridge over Jog flyover in progres, from WEH station upto asalpha hill done in between one pillar near airport junction is left. asalpha station to ghatkopar station a diatance of 500 m is left.

No residential or commercial properties were demolished, only a temple was relocated near sakinaka Jn. There is another temple in way of constructing station near alsapha but t they talks have broken so they are going ahead without building the station,also that station was useless according to me

Thank you ID!! really appreciate this too :)


Great summary CG.

But, a small part between WEH and Mahakali Caves Road junction is yet to be done. Also, I am not sure, if the portion between Andheri station and WEH is complete (It has been ages, since I went that side; but considering the status about 6 months back, it is a quick job if it is completed)

A part of hospital land has to be acquired near Ghatkopar station, I believe. And, I dont know how they are going to build pillars on the narrow alley on Andheri West side without demolition.

Wait, the Navarang stretch is just the two beams?? No girders??

Great summary CG.



A part of hospital land has to be acquired near Ghatkopar station, I believe. And, I dont know how they are going to build pillars on the narrow alley on Andheri West side without demolition.

That hospital thing is solved.They didnt want to move so they started building it like that only and its so damn close that no one will come to hospital for treatment;)

Wait, the Navarang stretch is just the two beams?? No girders??

4 beams above slim pillars and viaducts above it.

4 beams above slim pillars and viaducts above it.

Pillar are thinner??
Beams forr height/support ???

Pillar are thinner??
Beams forr height/support ???

Pile caps near navrang are shorter in length then other parts bcoz of space constraints and those slim viaducts cant b placed side by side on it so they placed 4 beams and built viaducts on top of it on site

2%, not 4. :lol:


your property price in bangalore which is stagnant will crash ;)

Pile caps near navrang are shorter in length then other parts bcoz of space constraints and those slim viaducts cant b placed side by side on it so they placed 4 beams and built viaducts on top of it on site

What's a pile cap?
[I'm serious]
your property price in bangalore which is stagnant will crash ;)

Who is that aimed at?

Who is that aimed at?

rmvdweller aka Bengaluru geek.

BTW do you also own?

rmvdweller aka Bengaluru geek.

BTW do you also own?

I own a lot.
I own .0000000000000000000001% stake in the Mumbai Metro too you know.
Why do you ask?

^ bhai kabhi toh mere se serious ho jayea kar :(

^ bhai kabhi toh mere se serious ho jayea kar :(

okay bhai.
What do I own?

And what are pile caps?

^^ leave it, geek understood what i was saying.

i don't have any knowledge about pile cap, just this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pile_cap)

What's a pile cap?
[I'm serious]


?

above pillars, there is a rectangular precast concrete thing,above which viaducts are placed.

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Valhalla rising :bow:

@cg, thanks, got it.
@ssc I don't, but a close relative owns land in BLR. I live in CBE.

@ CG

Is that facing towards Andheri station?

Nice Click CG !!

The height of the pillar are huge....In GGN/Delhi metro I never saw this kind of height of pillars.... nice pic CG :)

The height of the pillar are huge....In GGN/Delhi metro I never saw this kind of height of pillars.... nice pic CG :)

Because it passes over a flyover which itself has more height than other flyovers in the city (correct me if I am wrong).

^^ leave it, geek understood what i was saying.

i don't have any knowledge about pile cap, just this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pile_cap)

Ah yes, I certainly did. :cheers:

Tere muh mein keede pade! :bash:

Because it passes over a flyover which itself has more height than other flyovers in the city (correct me if I am wrong).

Passes over the JOG flyover. Tallest in Mumbai because it itself is 3-4 stories high, they planned a Shopping centre beneath it.

Is that facing towards Andheri station?

Yes. On the other side there is the Chakala station.

Passes over the JOG flyover. Tallest in Mumbai because it itself is 3-4 stories high, they planned a Shopping centre beneath it.

I think Bandra flyover and other flyovers on WEH north of Andheri will be of similar height.

I think Bandra flyover and other flyovers on WEH north of Andheri will be of similar height.

Nope. All WHE flyovers are lower [a metre maybe] than JOG.

^^ Thats why I said similar height. Jog flyover is 13 m tall and the metro bride is built at a height of 22 m. Even if other flyovers on WEH and EEH are 1 metre lower, the elevated Metro has to to built at similar heights.

^^ Thats why I said similar height. Jog flyover is 13 m tall and the metro bride is built at a height of 22 m. Even if other flyovers on WEH and EEH are 1 metre lower, the elevated Metro has to to built at similar heights.

Point.
But AFAIK, Jog was taller due to the fact that it has 2-3 floors for the shopping centre built into it ..

Point.
But AFAIK, Jog was taller due to the fact that it has 2-3 floors for the shopping centre built into it ..
when will the shopping centre become operational. I am seeing like this since long. I doubt shopping center will work under a flyover.

when will the shopping centre become operational. I am seeing like this since long. I doubt shopping center will work under a flyover.

It was handed over the Hiranandani years ago.
They could integrate it with the Metro station eh?

It was handed over the Hiranandani years ago.
They could integrate it with the Metro station eh?

The metro station could use 3-4 floors of a mall under itself given the height.

Because it passes over a flyover which itself has more height than other flyovers in the city (correct me if I am wrong).

hmm true...

Check the image at saki naka junction where some form of electric columns are up

http://i.imgur.com/yorGV.jpg

^^ Just waiting to see a train run on that ...

Does Mumbai metro has Third rail technology like in Bangalore for power or Overhead poles

Does Mumbai metro has Third rail technology like in Bangalore for power or Overhead poles
Overhead 'technology' yaar.
Look at the picture , there are are poles for the overhead catenary.
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Overhead 'technology' yaar.
Look at the picture , there are are poles for the overhead catenary.
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So only i asked, Just to confirm.. Thank you

So only i asked, Just to confirm.. Thank you
:)

Could Metro-II 'finish the suburbs?'

Nauzer K Bharucha, TNN | Oct 30, 2011, 02.01AM IST

MUMBAI: Fears persist over the widespread disruption the Metro-II elevated project could cause to the economic and social life of people residing in some of the most congested areas of the western suburbs. Citizens have launched online petitions, blogs and protest marches against the elevated Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd line, demanding that the authorities review the plan and build the metro under ground.

The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) has appointed Reliance Infrastructure ( RInfra) to execute the Rs 8,250-crore project, which will have 27 stations along a 32-km route. However, some MMRDA and state government sources agreed that the project had the capacity to "finish" the suburbs.

Residents and activists opposing the elevated line say a huge number of open spaces, hospitals, shops and residential buildings will be affected when land is taken for the construction of the stations. Experts said that on Linking Road in Khar (W) alone, around 70 residential buildings, the Lawrence High School, St Aloysious High School, Nilgiri Gardens, Madhu Park, Anand Nursing Home and Chandiramani Maternity Home will be affected.

Furthermore, traffic jams will increase due to the pillars that will be installed for the corridor. The 32-km route passes through the middle of arterial roads, like Link Road (Marve Road to Jay Prakash Road in Andheri), 10th Road in JVPD Scheme, S V Road at Vile Parle and Santa Cruz, and Linking Road at Santa Cruz, Khar and Bandra.

A government source conceded, "An underground metro, despite costing phenomenally more, would allow us to plan and expand a network for the next 100 years. An elevated metro will result in large-scale dislocation." An MMRDA official added, "Constructing an elevated metro will be a nightmare. Financial institutions were ready to fund an underground line. However, the government decided on an elevated line because it would be two-and-a-half times cheaper than going underground."

But a state government official said, "The elevated metro is the best option. It is much cheaper and therefore in the public interest. An overhead line will also make the metro more accessible."

On the cost, Congress MLA from Vile Parle, Krishna Hegde, said tenders for the Bangalore, Hyderabad and Mumbai metros were floated at around the same time. "Yet, there was a huge discrepancy in the rates quoted for Mumbai as compared to the other two cities," he said. Hegde said metro pillars in the middle of congested roads will cause traffic chaos. "At many places, traffic crawls right now because of the skywalks. It would be worse when the metro comes up," he said.

Recently, the JVPD Residents' Association prepared a report on the merits of an underground route. "There is a perception that an underground metro line would be costlier and more time consuming to build," said architect Nitin Killawala, who prepared the report. "That may be true theoretically, but in the context of Mumbai, an elevated line would be much more expensive and time consuming in terms of land acquisition, narrow arterial roads, ever-increasing vehicular traffic, complexity of utility lines and so on."

Interestingly, while MMRDA and state sources said the project is on track, there are still numerous clearances to be given. "A Bombay high court order states that the MMRDA cannot go ahead with the work unless it obtains all the requisite permissions before commencement," said Killawala. "Under the present circumstances, it is almost impossible to get these permissions from over a dozen authorities."

Killawala's report said, "Public interest unanimously demands an underground metro.... We believe that the underground metro (has been) rejected for an obvious reason, that it will give lesser profit to the concessionaire. Surely, this consideration should not be allowed to prevail over the larger interest of public safety, security and other advantages."

PROS & CONS

UNDERGROUND

* Open spaces, hospitals, shops and residential buildings would be unaffected, as there would be no land acquisitions and setbacks

* Traffic on arterial roads would not be obstructed by pillars

* Reservations for schools, markets, recreation grounds and playgrounds won't have to be deleted to make space for rail yards

* Schedule for work can be predetermined without obstacles like traffic, utilities, land acquisition etc. The tunnels would be at least 10 metres below existing roads

* Quicker construction without complexities and uncertainties would rein in cost

* Inter-agency coordination -- civil aviation, PWD, railways, MSEB, BEST, etc - for permissions would be minimal

* No environmental issues

ELEVATED

* Elevated line estimated to be about two-and-a-half-times cheaper to build

* In many ways, it could also be cheaper and easier to maintain

* Could be technically easier to complete

* Public would be able to access it easily

* Could be easier to provide security along the route and at stations

FIELDS OF OPPORTUNITY

Stations for an underground route could be built below six large public open spaces, argue suburbanites. According to a plan drawn up by architect Nitin Killawala for the JVPD Association, these spaces are Lokhandwala Gardens (Andheri), Kaifi Azmi Park (Juhu), Pushpa Narsee Park (JVPD), Podar Grounds (Santa Cruz), Patwardhan Garden (Bandra) and MMRDA Grounds (BKC). "These under-utilised gardens and parks can be converted to thriving public spaces. The MMRDA Grounds are already an established exhibition site, thus a station underneath would be important for the public," Killawala said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Could-Metro-II-finish-the-suburbs/articleshow/10535595.cms

Rs 8,250-cr project still lacks several clearances

Chittaranjan Tembhekar, TNN | Oct 30, 2011, 01.59AM IST

MUMBAI: The deadline for Reliance Infrastructure (RInfra) to start work on the Metro-II line, which will run between Charkop and Mankhurd via Bandra, expires on Monday, but MMRDA officials said RInfra would be most likely getting an extension.

Sources said the project has yet to receive over a dozen clearances from various agencies and government departments. For example, the MMRDA has made no headway in getting the plots for the car depot and casting yard at Charkop, which are crucial to starting the construction.

The financial closure for the Rs 8,250-crore project was achieved in March, which means by then all the money needed had been mobilized. Usually, a project has to begin within six months of the financial closure, but RInfra was given an extension in September due to the rains.

The car depot at Charkop was planned on land in the Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ), and if permissions came it would have to be built on stilts. "The land falls in CRZ-I because of mangroves there. MMRDA's application for the clearance was rejected by the Maharashtra Coastal Zone Management Authority," said a source. An MMRDA official said, "We have identified another plot belonging to the government close to the same plot. We are hoping to get this plot, which will be free of CRZ conditions."

The BMC has refused the contractor permission to build commercial spaces in the 27 stations. Sources said the BMC would also be hard-pressed to approve the metro station buildings and yards because there would be too little open space around them to conform to the city's Development Control Regulations.

Permission from the civil aviation department is also pending due to height restrictions near the airport. "Our negotiations are on and we hope to settle the matter soon," said an MMRDA official when speaking of the proposed metro station near Vile Parle.

Similarly, MMRDA is yet to had over the right of way (ROW) for the entire track to RInfra.

The MMRDA signed a concession agreement with RInfra in 2009 for building the 32-km Metro-II. The MMRDA will not be a partner in Metro-II, unlike in Metro-I, in which it possesses equity. RInfra will operate Metro-II for a specified number of years before handing it back to MMRDA.

RInfra is presently conducting a geotechnical survey, which was started in 2009, revealed MMRDA sources. When asked when the work would actually start, an MMRDA official refused to specify a date.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Rs-8250-cr-project-still-lacks-several-clearances/articleshow/10535590.cms

Mumbai Roads have BROAD medians. Metro pillars, even the broadest possible ones will easily fit on Linking Road and New Link Road ...

No provision to clear traffic under elevated stations

Life in a metro will only get further congested, traffic cops warn MMRDA

Abhijit Sathe & Yogesh Naik mirrorfeedback@indiatimes.com

• Planning authority says solution lies in people walking to catch metro rather than taking autos or taxis

Two days ago this newspaper carried an interview with the commissioner of police who said that one of the two things he felt he was not confident of tackling yet was Mumbai’s infamous traffic.

Shortly after, Arup Patnaik’s men are taking steps to correct that, and it isn’t happy tidings for us. At a meeting with the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) 10 days ago, the traffic police warned that the MMRDA’s design for the 11.07 km-long first corridor of the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar metro rail, to be introduced next year, will unleash greater traffic havoc than at present.

Poor planning has already nullified the benefits of several infrastructure projects in the city, most recently the Lalbaug flyover.

The Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar metro rail has 11 railway stations spread over a distance of 11.07 kms, meaning one station at every kilometre. The entire metro rail will run above the existing road and that is the real cause of the problem, believes the traffic police.

“The metro rail stations are constructed on elevated platforms above the road and not off. What this means is that in addition to the usual vehicular traffic, there will be a slew of taxis and autorickshaws outside each station as people will use them to reach the metro stations or any other destination. Given that stations are barely a kilometre apart, this will lead to tremendous clogging on the roads,’’ said a senior traffic police officer who did not wish to come on record but who was a part of the meeting with the MMRDA.

According to traffic police sources, while chalking out the metro railway plan, the planners did not take into account factors like crowding by passengers, transport vehicles and even hawkers beneath the metro stations. All these put together would make travelling on the road under metro rail a difficult proposition.

According to MMRDA sources, the project was conceptualised with an idea that commuters who will use metro rail will walk their way to the station rather than use transport modes like cabs or autos.

MMRDA officials accepted that the traffic police had conveyed their concerns and that they were valid. MMRDA Commissioner Rahul Asthana told Mumbai Mirror, “The first corridor of the metro will have stations at a distance of one kilometre. This means, many users will have to walk half kilometre in any direction. But there could be some people who could be travelling to areas away from the station (not along the metro route). There could be a pile up of autos or other modes of transport. We are aware of the issue and are looking for a solution. We are in dialogue with the traffic police and our chief of transport and communications, PRK Murthy, is talking to them.”

Senior Inspector of Traffic Police Rajendra Kale of Ghatkopar division, whose jurisdiction will be most affected by the metro, said, “Two stations of the metro – Asalpha and Ghatkopar – will lead to further congestion rather than streamlining traffic.”

Principal secretary Urban Development T C Benjamin said, “We had asked MMRDA to make provisions for captive parking under the metro for those using the commercial establishments on metro stations foreseeing exactly these problems.”

The total cost of 11.07 km of metro rail is Rs 2356 crore of which the government is giving a viability gap funding (VGF) of Rs 650 crore, while the rest will be borne by the private operator.

STATUS OF PROJECT
Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar corridor is an 11.07 km elevated corridor which is supported by columns at the road median. It envisages faster connectivity of eastern and western suburbs to Western and Central Railway. It also proposes to provide interchange facility with the Central and Western Railway at Ghatkopar and Andheri respectively. The corridor is expected to reduce travel time from 100 minutes to 21 minutes. The corridor caters to the MIDC, SEEPZ and other commercial areas. MMRDA says that this line will be operational by October 2012.

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the WEH crossing... CC my friend akshay patil...

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Indianoil Jn. station

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Versova station. Walls of station have started to come up

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looks like they have put the overhead wires ..... have they ????

Not yet. Poles and equipment you see in the pic wat holds the wire to it.

Not yet. Poles and equipment you see in the pic wat holds the wire to it.

when is this project expected to complete?? I believe it was 2012??

Rs 8,250-cr project still lacks several clearances

Chittaranjan Tembhekar, TNN | Oct 30, 2011, 01.59AM IST

MUMBAI: The deadline for Reliance Infrastructure (RInfra) to start work on the Metro-II line, which will run between Charkop and Mankhurd via Bandra, expires on Monday, but MMRDA officials said RInfra would be most likely getting an extension.



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Rs-8250-cr-project-still-lacks-several-clearances/articleshow/10535590.cms

For those people who think Metro Line 2 is delayed because of JVPD /Bandra-Andheri protests

Mumbai Roads have BROAD medians. Metro pillars, even the broadest possible ones will easily fit on Linking Road and New Link Road ...

Please define BROAD. Linking Road frm bandra to Santacruz has a small concrete median. The road itseld is just about 2-lanes width in many places like National college jucntion, citywalk etc.

Moreover, it is not about pillars, The approvals for station buildings are pending as they are very close to existing buildings. I donno how it was possible in Line 1. AAI approval (or rather disapproval) will be a googly for this project.

Western railway paves way for Metro at Andheri

Published: Monday, Oct 31, 2011, 8:00 IST
By Rajendra Aklekar | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA

The Western Railway (WR) has finally begun work to create paths required for the Mumbai Metro Railway trains to pass over its lines at Andheri. It has invited proposals to shift the overhead electric equipment, foot overbridge and other railway paraphernalia to make way for the Metro rail bridge.

The phase I of the Mumbai Metro between Versova-Andheri and Ghatkopar intersects WR’s network near Andheri station.

While talks are still on between the Mumbai Metro Railway and the WR authorities for provision of traffic blocks for local trains, the latter has begun work on its premises to ensure that there are no further delays.

“Among the major works that the railways have planned to take up include dismantling of existing overhead structures and relocating them so that the alignment over which the Metro lines pass will be clear of them,’’ a senior official said.

“The other major work involves dismantling, demolition and shifting of the BMC foot overbridge in the north side of the station. The out-to-out bridge will have to be rebuilt at a new location.’’

This work is scheduled to be completed within two to eight months from the time it begins. By the end of the period, it is expected that the logjam between WR and Mumbai Metro will get solved. While the railways are ready to give a block, Metro authorities are seeking more time. The MMRDA has said it has requested the railways to provide for a five-hour block every week. They reportedly want at least 30 such blocks.

The railways said it would be difficult to make it five hours as there are more than 32 lakh passengers using the WR network every day for suburban trains.

http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_western-railway-paves-way-for-metro-at-andheri_1605293

Source: http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/2/20111031201110310307279309e2c8ebe/State-to-bring-Metro-Monorail-and-locals-under-one-umbrella.html

The state government is working towards creating a super body to oversee the work of the Metro, Monorail and suburban railways systems. The body will provide 'seamless' travel from one place to another, between different modes of transport.

The Railway Ministry, the most powerful player in public transport, supported this move in its Indian Railway Vision 2020 document. “Railways may aim at integrating the Metro rail and suburban rail systems under a single management in partnership with respective state and city authorities,” says the document.

Principal Secretary of the State Urban Development Department, TC Benjamin, confirmed that a proposal was being prepared, but refused to give more details. Other sources from the department said that a meeting to discuss the creation of the body will be held this week.

According to state government officials, with the Metro and the Monorail systems set to begin operations, the need to integrate all the different modes of public transport has become essential.

They said that the body that currently works towards uniting different modes of transport, the United Mumbai Metropolitan Transport Authority, lacks the legal framework to create partnerships between state, municipal and central government utilities.

Moreover, the Mumbai Railway Vikas Corporation, formed to segregate the suburban railways and the outstation and freight lines, has not made any progress since its inception.

Railway officials said that this kind of segregation would make commuting more comfortable, and allow large-scale development of space at railway stations. This in turn will make the suburban railways more sustainable, they said.

Overhead 'technology' yaar.
Look at the picture , there are are poles for the overhead catenary.
CC: Coolguyz.
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I believe line 1 and probably 2 will only have overhead wires. All further lines they were planning for third rail. There was a report some time back on this

Not yet. Poles and equipment you see in the pic wat holds the wire to it.

Yeh Bec of that poles and equipment it thought they might have.... ;) thanks for the reply tho...

Update 30/10/11: WR Bridge

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This could be the last update we get from here since its supposed to be closed for work come Nov.

Thanks for the update, Vadditwice !

Mumbai Roads have BROAD medians. Metro pillars, even the broadest possible ones will easily fit on Linking Road and New Link Road ...

Yes, you are right. However, for all the many reasons cited in this forum and elsewhere, IMO the underground option is far superior - both, from a future expansion perspective as well as in avoiding large scale disruptions on the ground and eliminating the delays arising out of citizen actions, land acquisition etc during the construction stage.

Western railway paves way for Metro at Andheri

........ in the north side of the station. The out-to-out bridge will have to be rebuilt at a new location.’’

This work is scheduled to be completed within two to eight months from the time it begins. By the end of the period, it is expected that the logjam between WR and Mumbai Metro will get solved. .........http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_western-railway-paves-way-for-metro-at-andheri_1605293

LOL......what kind of a timeline is 2 to 8 months!! What a range! In reality, it will be more like 1 year or more going by past records.

LOL......what kind of a timeline is 2 to 8 months!! What a range! In reality, it will be more like 1 year or more going by past records.

IF u see the speed by which cable stayed bridge on Jog flyover is going on without even touching the overpass I think this time will be sufficient

IF u see the speed by which cable stayed bridge on Jog flyover is going on without even touching the overpass I think this time will be sufficient

Knowing that it is the Western Railway responsible for construction of the foot-over bridge anything is possible. It might not give its own contractor the required time slots over the railway lines for constructing this bridge in time.

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Knowing that it is the Western Railway responsible for construction of the foot-over bridge anything is possible. It might not give its own contractor the required time slots over the railway lines for constructing this bridge in time.

+1

Thats why I am sceptical about the timeline they have mentioned. Also, the fact that they claim it will take 2-8 months! 2-3 months or even 2-4 months is a reasonable range between the minimum and maximum. A 6 month range spanning 2 - 8 months is reflective of their commitment - or lack of it. Look, I dont mean to be disrespectful, but I have had dealings with WR and IR in a past job (the bridge over the creek leading from Mumbai to Navi Mumbai built by AFCONS) and it was a nightmare. Hopefully things have improved since then? I would not hold my breath, and would be happy to be proved wrong.

How far has the bridge reached over the Andheri WEH flyover?Anybody with latest pics?

How far has the bridge reached over the Andheri WEH flyover?Anybody with latest pics?

Only the first out of the 5 cables on the pillar to east of WEH as of now. Pretty much same as previous pics.

http://www.mid-day.com/news/2011/nov/081111-5-options-for-casting-yard-may-hasten-Metro-II-start.htm (http://www.mid-day.com/news/2011/nov/081111-5-options-for-casting-yard-may-hasten-Metro-II-start.htm)

Mired in delays due to non-availability of permission to construct a casting yard, MMRDA has proposed five other alternate plots to authorities for approval

Two years after the contract was awarded to Reliance Infrastructure to start the second 32-km Metro rail corridor between Charkop, Bandra and Mankhurd (CBM), the issue of non availability of a casting yard at Charkop that was delaying the project may soon be resolved. The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) has identified five other plots for setting up a casting yard and the files regarding the same have been sent for approval.

Permission to set up a casting yard was pending with the Ministry of Environment and Forests (MoEF). It was anticipated that work on the CBM stretch would start by October. The main reason behind the delay, however, is the pending clearance from MoEF for constructing a car depot at Charkop, which is vital to the project.

Also, MMRDA wasn't able to secure permission from the authorities as the plot that MMRDA requires at Charkop for construction of the car depot falls under Coastal Regulatory Zone (CRZ), which means that the construction site would be difficult without the clearances.

MMRDA has sent proposals of five other plots to the departments concerned for seeking approval where a car depot and a casting yard can be constructed.

In July, MiD DAY had published a report ('Bhoomipoojan July 11: No work done') stating that the work on the CBM metro line II has not commenced even though the bhoomipoojan was performed in 2009.

An MMRDA official, on condition of anonymity, said, "The project is already delayed and to prevent any further delays, we have identified five other plots in Charkop where we can set up the casting yard. As some of the plots are owned by the BMC, we have forwarded the proposals to the department concerned to get approval."

"Regarding the Central Public Works Department land near Mith Chowky on the Malad-Marve Road, proposal
is in the advanced stage of approval at Ministry of Urban Development (MoUD), New Delhi and several follow up meetings have been undertaken by MMRDA and Mumbai Metro Transport Private Limited (MMTPL) at MoUD," said MMRDA Joint Project Director Dilip Kawatkar.

Held up in delays
A casting yard is a place where huge girders measuring 25-metres in length are constructed with pre-cast concrete. The construction of these girders requires vast tracts of land and is critical for the project.

Stations on Phase II of metro rail
The 32-km long CBM line is a Rs 8, 250 crore project and is being implemented on public-private partnership basis. Once operational there will be 27 stations on this corridor, which are -- Charkop- Malad (Metro), Kasturi Park, Bangur Nagar, Oshiwara, Samarth Nagar, Shashtri Nagar, D. N. Nagar, ESIC Nagar, JVPD, Juhu, Vile Parle (Metro), Nanavati Hospital, Arya Samaj Chowk, Khar (Metro), National College, Bandra(Metro), MMRDA, Income Tax Office, Bharat Nagar, Complex Road, Kurla (Metro) S G Barve Marg, R C Marg, Shivaji Chowk, BSNL, and Mankhurd (Metro).

Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar Metro to be commissioned by Nov 2012
Mumbai: The first Metro line being constructed on the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar route will be commissioned by November, 2012.

The first phase of mono rail stretching from Chembur to Wadala should start operation by August 2012, Textile minister Mohammed Arif Naseem Khan, who is the Guardian Minister of Mumbai suburbs said at a review meeting of MMRDA officials on Tuesday.

The minister reviewed the deadlines of various important infrastructure projects and asked the MMRDA to stick to the deadlines.

The minister directed the authorities to expedite the Mumbai Trans Habour Link, Mumbai Urban Transport Project on war footing. "If there are issues concerning rehabilitation, they should be sorted out with discussions with the local people," he said.

Link (http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/versova-andheri-ghatkopar-metro-to-be-commissioned-by-nov-2012-148242?pfrom=home-cities)

finally we have a date :D

^^
We have had many such dates in the past. I strongly do not belive the entire stretch will be up and running by Nov 2012 which is just 12 months away. Mid-2013 looks more possible.

What is the proposed frequency for Line 1?. Seeing the euphoria in Bangalore in the inital days, I think, Mumbai Metro will have crush load akin to Locals in the inital months (whenever it is), what with high actual demand and the curiosity factor with 2 unique bridges.

What is the proposed frequency for Line 1?. Seeing the euphoria in Bangalore in the inital days, I think, Mumbai Metro will have crush load akin to Locals in the inital months (whenever it is), what with high actual demand and the curiosity factor with 2 unique bridges.

Frequency should be 3 mins like locals.But one thing is sure, its gonna be a hit once it opens. Since its connecting WR as well as CR, the commercial belt of andheri kurla road is gonna take to it like anything.

Monorail wont be seeing rush till it completes part 2 of line 1 till Mahalaxmi.

What is the proposed frequency for Line 1?. Seeing the euphoria in Bangalore in the inital days, I think, Mumbai Metro will have crush load akin to Locals in the inital months (whenever it is), what with high actual demand and the curiosity factor with 2 unique bridges.


I second that.....their will be super crush load specially at Andheri & Ghatkopar during peak hours...

BTW here is the ans to ur question.....
The frequency of the trains would initially be 3.5 minutes which would be further increased over a period of time.
http://www.mumbai-metro.com/faq

In the initial few weeks a lot of local people who reside in Mumbai will use it as a tourist destination and get on it just for a joy ride as well. And as coolguyz mentioned the Andheri-Kurla belt is going to be super pleased. Hopefully this wil result in less road traffic on this belt.

MMRDA wants monster crane for Metro bridge

Authorities consider use of 1,250-ton crane to help build Metro bridge over Andheri tracks. But transporting the huge machine to the site itself poses a gigantic problem

Binoo.Nair @timesgroup.com

The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) and the builders of the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar Metro have hit upon an absolute monster of an idea – quite literally – to help build the Metro bridge over the railway tracks at Andheri. MMRDA officials and the Metro consortium are in advanced stages of talks to decide on bringing in a 1,250 ton superheavy crane to place the steel Metro bridge over the railway tracks.

The crane is expected to be the heaviest moving structure ever on the city’s roads, and several railway structures on the eastern side of Andheri station might need to be knocked down since that is the only open space available to park the crane.

How to transport the 1,250-tonner to the site via the narrow Andheri-Kurla Road is something the engineering brains of MMRDA are working on, said officials.

The size of the crane can be gauged by the fact that the heaviest cranes the Railways use during accident relief is around 140 tons, and most of the cranes mounted on ships in Mumbai’s port are of 400 tons.

The last time a monster crane was used in the city was during construction of the Bandra Worli Sea Link, when the 1,600-ton Asian Hercules was in town, or rather the sea. However, officials said the comparison ends there, as the Asian Hercules was a barge-mounted superheavy crane moving about only at sea. “Negotiating such a gigantic crane on the city’s roads is a different ball game altogether,” an official said.
And that’s just not all.

The crane’s height poses an additional problem too: at certain parts it stretches up to 90 feet high – much above stipulations of the aviation ministry, keeping in mind that the airports are in close proximity.

MMRDA Commissioner Rahul Asthana confirmed that the agency is contemplating getting the superheavy crane, but refused to elaborate.

A senior official, however, said that the crane was being considered as it could shave off anything between one to two months of construction time.

The crane apart, officials are also mulling use of another technique. “There’s something called the “push or pull” method, which calls for sliding massive girders of the bridge with pulleys.

That’s also being looked into. Earlier, thought was also given to the time-tested cantilever method, but the fear of falling objects is high and with train traffic below it could prove dangerous,” an official said.
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In the initial few weeks a lot of local people who reside in Mumbai will use it as a tourist destination and get on it just for a joy ride as well. And as coolguyz mentioned the Andheri-Kurla belt is going to be super pleased. Hopefully this wil result in less road traffic on this belt.

very much agree with u....in initial days many pepple will be visiting it just to have an experience of metro...even i m gonna do it.....but then gotta see how many people use it after those initial weeks....i m sure that many will use it coz there's hell of a lot traffic in this stretch....

very much agree with u....in initial days many pepple will be visiting it just to have an experience of metro...even i m gonna do it.....but then gotta see how many people use it after those initial weeks....i m sure that many will use it coz there's hell of a lot traffic in this stretch....

For me the following are the BEST outcomes of a metro on AK road

1. No more dependance on rickshaws till ghatkopar.

2. no more traffic worries during monsoon season regardless of intensity of rain.

3. No more worrying about traffic towards versova especially around Gokhale Bridge or andheri subway....

4. Soaring over Saki Naka/Holy Family/Marol Naka without waiting foreverat signals and thousands of bikes/rickshaws crossing the paths.

5. Even if going to Thane/Mulund side, will take the Ghatkopar metro and a train. Even with the change, will save enough time instead of getting stuck at powai.

After securing the Railways’ cooperation, the consortium constructing the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar Metro line is in a quandary about the method of constructing a bridge over the railway tracks in Andheri.

As of now, the Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd (MMOPL) is constructing the steel bridge by using pre-cast concrete segments in which a number of small segments are cast between two pillars. The Western Railway has agreed to provide blocks of about two to four hours per day for the construction work.

The MMOPL, comprising Reliance Infrastructure, MMRDA and Veolia Transport, is considering another approach which involves constructing the 183-metre-long bridge by launching girders instead of segments. If this approach is taken, the bridge will require just a couple of girders as against many small segments.

However, the alternative girder-launching method will require clearance from the Airport Authority of India (AAI). We will need fewer railway blocks if we take this route and it will save us about a month. But a crane will need to be brought for this work and we will need clearance from the airport authority because of its height,” said Rahul Asthana, MMRDA chief. He added that the plan is yet to be worked out.

A clearance from the AAI is required for construction work at a substantial height within 5 km of any airport. For the clearance, the authority considers various parameters, such as whether the work is in the way of the approach of the aircraft towards the runway and the distance from the centre line of the runway. In the recent past, the MMRDA hasn’t had to obtain aviation clearance for projects and so is unsure of how long the procedure takes, Asthana said.

Earlier this year, the Western Railway gave a green signal for the bridge across the railway tracks after more than a year as there were differences over the design of the bridge and the location of the pillars.

Construction of Metro bridge over Jog flyover, Andheri East.

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Source: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/metro-pillars-turn-billboards-political-parties-make-merry/874656/0


While the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar Metro line may take another year to be completed, political parties have already started using the partially-completed structure as advertising space, without the permission of the authority in charge of the construction.

The pillars of the city’s first metro rail line on JP Road in Andheri are all sporting posters advertising Shiv Sena and party chief Bal Thackeray. The Metro corridor is being constructed by Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd (MMOPL) — a consortium of Reliance Infrastructure, Veolia Transport and Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA).

“We have not granted permission to the political party to put up posters. We have already instructed MMOPL to remove the posters,” MMRDA spokesperson Dilip Kawathkar said.

An MMOPL official said while the consortium ensures the aesthetics are maintained, it's beyond its control to contain the sticking of hand-bills and posters.

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“However, we carry out periodic cleanliness drives along the metro alignment,” the official said.

According to the Maharashtra Prevention of Defacement of Property Act, if any person, by himself or through someone else, defaces any place that is in view of the public shall on conviction be punished with imprisonment of up to three months or a fine of up to Rs 2,000, or both. The advertiser would be exempt from this punishment only if he has sought written permission from the local authority having jurisdiction over the area in concern, the Act says.

Anil Parab, Sena Vibhag Pramukh, said, generally the party puts up posters only when there is some big event happening in the vicinity and on the same day, after the event is over, the posters are pulled down.

“In this case, there was a Mr Universe world bodybuilding championship in the vicinity last week, so the posters may have been put up during that event,” Parab said. “I will have to look into whether they have been taken down,” said Parab, adding even during such events the party should take permission.

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What we discussed previously and worried abt that has happned..........

What we discussed previously and worried abt that has happned..........

Sala Mumbai metro ke layak hi nahi hai. Why do we not have any sense at all? How can we not think a little before spitting paan on a shiny new train or sticking ugly stickers on it?

Source: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/metro-pillars-turn-billboards-political-parties-make-merry/874656/0




What we discussed previously and worried abt that has happned..........

somebody should stick this posters in these a$$%^$$ homes!!!

Mumbai metro to nowhere

Published: Monday, Nov 14, 2011, 8:00 IST
Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA

With each passing day, Mumbai seems to be becoming an example of how not to do things. Credit for this goes chiefly to the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority, an agency that was set up to plan the city’s growth.

There is the white elephant called the Bandra-Worli Sea Link, which now gets only a fraction of the projected volume of traffic. Work on the second phase, from Worli to Haji Ali, is yet to begin two years after the first link was commissioned. The incomplete skywalks at various places in the city are another constant reminder of the MMRDA’s planning prowess. And then there is the metro, which for the average Mumbaikar exists only in the papers.
While the first line, from Versova to Ghatkopar via Andheri, crawls towards completion, work on the second, from Charkop to Mankhurd via Bandra, has been pushed further back, to after next year’s BMC elections, though the foundation stone was laid more than two years ago.

The metro master plan, which has as many as nine lines, is more than five years old, but not a kilometre’s stretch is ready. Clearly, there was no planning. The way the first phase has meandered is indication enough. Though it was always clear that the metro would have to cross the Western Railway line at Andheri, the permissions were not acquired until very late. Nor was a clear plan put in place on how to build this 183m bridge.

The second line will have three such bridges over railway tracks. Have lessons been learnt? Have final designs been prepared and approved? Has an alternative been worked out to placate residents who are opposing the elevated line and are likely to move the courts? Or will this phase drag on for 10 years?

As he celebrates a year in office, chief minister Prithviraj Chavan, who heads MMRDA, would do well to ask his planners to answer these questions.
http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/editorial_mumbai-metro-to-nowhere_1612090

Wish i was involved in building it.

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Wish i was involved in building it.

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unable to post my pic of jog bridge! :-S , link is given.

Its never too late. You can join the metro company.

Construction of Metro bridge over Jog flyover, Andheri East.

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Great. This part of the Andheri Kurla Road seems to opened one way for traffic. I doubt its open all the way to Andheri station.

Its never too late. You can join the metro company.


I guess the project is too screwed up already for anyone to come and influence it :(.....hope everything turns out fine and construction is completed as soon as possible....:)

I wonder if they are going to use a steel fabricated bridge over the existing flyover ? Is that right ?

Source (http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/MAH-MUM-mumbai-metro-iii-may-run-till-seepz-2567681.html)
Mumbai Metro III may run till Seepz

Mumbai: The city's metro plan has got another shot in the arm. The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) is planning to extend the third metro line till Santacruz Electronics Export Processing Zone (Seepz). Earlier, it was up to Bandra.

The MMRDA has prepared a modified detailed project report (DPR) for the same. The authority is also contemplating two sites for underground car depots at Goregaon Aarey Milk Colony and Vidyanagari, Santa Cruz .

Confirming the development, MMRDA metropolitan commissioner Rahul Asthana said, "As per the original metro master plan, the third metro line was to go up to Bandra, whereas the Metro line VI was connecting Bandra-Kurla Complex with Kanjurmarg via the airport. Now, as per the modified DPR, both these lines are combined. The total distance of this line will be approximately 33.23 km."

The approximate cost of this alignment has been estimated at Rs16,180 crore. "The alignment has 27 underground stations and will see a metro running every three minutes. As per the travellers' requirement in long term, the alignment will have 64 trains with six coaches each," says the DPR.

"Per hour per direction (PHPD) capacity of the underground metro will be 30,000 commuters," says the DPR. The MMRDA, in the past, has failed to get suitable land for car depot. Initially, the metro was to be partially underground up to Mahalaxmi and there were plans to use the Mahalaxmi Racecourse land to construct a 900-metre-long ramp, where the metro was elevated up to Bandra.

However, this plan was dropped after the MMRDA realised that Mahalaxmi Racecourse's stables were a heritage site. "Now, we are looking for other options. They include Santa Cruz (near Vidyanagari campus in Kalina) and Goregaon (Aarey Milk Colony)," said Asthana.

However, sources in the authority feel that there may be resistance especially if Aarey Milk Colony land is utilised for a car depot. "First of all it is a green zone. Though the land belongs to the state government, environmentalists and supporters of open spaces may object to its acquisition," said a senior official.

am I the only one who thinks that the Metro should have been underground at least in Andheri??

am I the only one who thinks that the Metro should have been underground at least in Andheri??

No. you will have support from the rich spoilt brats of JVPD who refuse to let mass transit through their neighbourhood to maintain their faux-elite status

not many pics these days!!!

am I the only one who thinks that the Metro should have been underground at least in Andheri??

Not really. Atleast 75% of western suburbs will be with you.

Actually I also felt that metro should be underground in Mumbai as it would look too chaotic and wouldn't fit in if overground. However, when I saw it in real life it's actually not that bad and looks fine. In fact at some places where it goes past glass buildings it looks really cool.

Source (http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/MAH-MUM-mumbai-metro-iii-may-run-till-seepz-2567681.html)
Mumbai Metro III may run till Seepz

Mumbai: The city's metro plan has got another shot in the arm. The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) is planning to extend the third metro line till Santacruz Electronics Export Processing Zone (Seepz). Earlier, it was up to Bandra.

The MMRDA has prepared a modified detailed project report (DPR) for the same. The authority is also contemplating two sites for underground car depots at Goregaon Aarey Milk Colony and Vidyanagari, Santa Cruz .

Confirming the development, MMRDA metropolitan commissioner Rahul Asthana said, "As per the original metro master plan, the third metro line was to go up to Bandra, whereas the Metro line VI was connecting Bandra-Kurla Complex with Kanjurmarg via the airport. Now, as per the modified DPR, both these lines are combined. The total distance of this line will be approximately 33.23 km."

The approximate cost of this alignment has been estimated at Rs16,180 crore. "The alignment has 27 underground stations and will see a metro running every three minutes. As per the travellers' requirement in long term, the alignment will have 64 trains with six coaches each," says the DPR.

"Per hour per direction (PHPD) capacity of the underground metro will be 30,000 commuters," says the DPR. The MMRDA, in the past, has failed to get suitable land for car depot. Initially, the metro was to be partially underground up to Mahalaxmi and there were plans to use the Mahalaxmi Racecourse land to construct a 900-metre-long ramp, where the metro was elevated up to Bandra.

However, this plan was dropped after the MMRDA realised that Mahalaxmi Racecourse's stables were a heritage site. "Now, we are looking for other options. They include Santa Cruz (near Vidyanagari campus in Kalina) and Goregaon (Aarey Milk Colony)," said Asthana.

However, sources in the authority feel that there may be resistance especially if Aarey Milk Colony land is utilised for a car depot. "First of all it is a green zone. Though the land belongs to the state government, environmentalists and supporters of open spaces may object to its acquisition," said a senior official.

Instead of changing the plan every alternate week, why not they atleast start some ground work for construction. None of the clearances for lines 2 and 3 are sought yet. And with AAI joining IR this time for Lines 2 and 3, this thread will have a long life

Actually I also felt that metro should be underground in Mumbai as it would look too chaotic and wouldn't fit in if overground. However, when I saw it in real life it's actually not that bad and looks fine. In fact at some places where it goes past glass buildings it looks really cool.

With your description, I presume that you have seen the portions between Chakala and Sakinaka (One of the very few broad roads in Mumbai). There are many portions just inches away from the buildings

Yeah I mainly saw the Sakinaka area.

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source : DNA Mumbai 17-11-2011

What is JVPD?No. you will have support from the rich spoilt brats of JVPD who refuse to let mass transit through their neighbourhood to maintain their faux-elite status

What is JVPD?

Juhu Vile Parle Development Scheme.

^^thanks. Haha No deadline

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source : DNA Mumbai 17-11-2011

another instance of 'Kooz bi' type reaction a person like me gets when reading such an article.

* they think all for 5 yrs continuously work was going on and 60% is only done (and remaining will take 40*(5/60) years)

*they spell Peers for piers

*they try to focus everything on the negative aspects and not a single word on something happening great.

* Even after inauguration, the first word of the article will be- "after high delays and much controversy, finally..."

^^ +1

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source DNA Mumbai 18-11-2011

How the work is going on for the bridge on Western railway by Metro1.
Metro1 wants long time megablock on Western railway for 2-3 times. But looking at the traffic conditions, will WR provide that much?

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wtf? how did you get up there... man ... nice pics!!! keep em coming :wtf:

Seriously, how did you get there? :O
And opposed to what many have been thinking metro doesn't look out of place, it looks awesome. Might be different from the ground though.
PS: Andheri sports complex seems to need a renovation..!

nice pics, and i believe everyone would like to know how on earth you got up there.

thnx for the pics struct_civil_engg.....BTW u working for mumbai metro project ?????coz even i would like to know how the hell did u get up there..... :D

Nice pics struct.....looks good !!

^^Excellent pic of MM....

Just for curiosity -


Can anyone tell whether there is any possibility for train to crisscross tracks in MM? Seeing pic, there is very less possibility of train doing it....
how about parapet wall for people to reach nearest station in case of emergency (though it exists it looks small)?

^^Excellent pic of MM....

Just for curiosity -


Can anyone tell whether there is any possibility for train to crisscross tracks in MM? Seeing pic, there is very less possibility of train doing it....
At some places they have cast the segments on site between stations for that purpose without the center wall.
how about parapet wall for people to reach nearest station in case of emergency (though it exists it looks small)?
Dont know about that. Have to wait till it nears completion


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thnx for the pics pyratun.....BTW u working for mumbai metro project ?????coz even i would like to know how the hell did u get up there..... :D

no sirji. not me. some struct guy... i bet he IS working at some level. The closest i get is to hang out with engineers from MM when they come out for smoke breaks at their office at satellite silver in marol naka

great pics struct..

^^Excellent pic of MM....

Just for curiosity -


how about parapet wall for people to reach nearest station in case of emergency (though it exists it looks small)?
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Someone from Delhi can tell us. Airport express line was built in the same manner

killer picture..seriously this pic might never happen again unless ofcourse you r the mortormans relative :D:dance:

Thanks Coolguyz.

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really good pictures... thanks man...

Seriously, how did you get there? :O
And opposed to what many have been thinking metro doesn't look out of place, it looks awesome. Might be different from the ground though.
PS: Andheri sports complex seems to need a renovation..!

if you had lived in those houses it would have looked out of place to you too

if you had lived in those houses it would have looked out of place to you too

i guess vadditwice does live along the route near depot

^^ I think that is armphi.

Whether or not it looks out of place (which is not very important), it definitely affects privacy. JP Road is far narrower than AK Road in the pic and you can see the plight of those living in the nearby apartments. The first 7-8 floors cannot open their windows, if they want privacy. And in JP Road, the track runs just 5 feet away from buidings when it turns around to the depot. This scenario is unique in Mumbai as other cities dont have tall residential buildings next to major roads.

I stay near the WEH station not depot. I don't think privacy would be a major issue. They would definitely have some kind of barriers to prevent the apartments from coming in direct sight like they have on skywalks these days. If they don't the residents must demand for it. Sound will be more of a concern. I don't know how noisy metro is though. By out of place I meant it does not look ugly.

No barriers are planned. It was a big issue right from the beginning. If they want to spend so much for an elevated metro just to prove their point, they can just go with underground as well. You have to check the portions on JP Road near the station, where the shopkeepers refused to move out. And elevated line is almost taking the same time as underground due to unique issues in Mumbai.

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Well as correctly pointed out, there are several spans without the middle parapet, these are known as "cross-overs" as the tracks do cross-over. They are typically near or after the end of the last stations. Lets say a train comes in from Ghatkopar to Versova, known as the upline, After Versova station it will continue to go ahead for a few hundred meters and then cross-over onto the downline (Versova to Ghatkopar)

Regarding evacuation, unlike the delhi metro where the evacuation is from the drivers cabin and people get on to the track level and walk to the nearest station. In mumbai metro the evacuation will be from the middle parapet.

nice pics, and i believe everyone would like to know how on earth you got up there.

It is obviously illegal for someone not associated to the project to get up there.

Though in many instances, especially in areas like Subhash Nagar, people get onto the girders to get some privacy and have a few drinks.

Erection of a 1,70,000 kg U-Girder with the help of 2 Cranes
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no sirji. not me. some struct guy... i bet he IS working at some level. The closest i get is to hang out with engineers from MM when they come out for smoke breaks at their office at satellite silver in marol naka

sorry my mistake ...edited the post....

I think, slowly but surely, all shops and buildings on the alignment of the metro will give way to office space or go for redevelopment with mix of commercial and residential. and it would be a good idea too. or course shopkeepers will never be satisfied no matter where you give them space or discuss issues with them. thankfully, the metro means i wont have to negotiate the illegal extensions of all the shops on JP roads (upto 9-10 feet in some cases) PLUS illegal hawkers who are responsible for narrowing down the stretch even more.

Well now we have 2 forummers working inside 2 important infra projects. KB for airport and now Mr. Struct on metro. We are gonna get some really interesting pics usually not available to common pple. Now we need someone from inside monorails site too.;)

I think, slowly but surely, all shops and buildings on the alignment of the metro will give way to office space or go for redevelopment with mix of commercial and residential. and it would be a good idea too. or course shopkeepers will never be satisfied no matter where you give them space or discuss issues with them. thankfully, the metro means i wont have to negotiate the illegal extensions of all the shops on JP roads (upto 9-10 feet in some cases) PLUS illegal hawkers who are responsible for narrowing down the stretch even more.

That is a great idea. Build elevated Metro in Peddar Road, Dharavi, Kurla, etc. They will move out or wont expand. How does that matter, whether people in nearby localities, commute through that road. They dont have any legal rights to visit or pass through that area.


How will Metro stop them from encroaching further, when they encroached upon when there was bursting traffic?

On a serious note, there is no need for commercial development (and perhaps no major demand too except from media and entertainment industry, which has enough space near Yash raj studios and Laxmi industrial estate) in that area. If all the areas become commercial, where will the 20 milion population live?

Well now we have 2 forummers working inside 2 important infra projects. KB for airport and now Mr. Struct on metro. We are gonna get some really interesting pics usually not available to common pple. Now we need someone from inside monorails site too.;)

:) Looking forward to more pics from Struct

Struct let me know when key pieces of the bridge are being made. lll get all my photography gear to capture the pics

:) Looking forward to more pics from Struct

Struct let me know when key pieces of the bridge are being made. lll get all my photography gear to capture the pics

Its always after midnight.Spot the huge cranes standing along the route during the day, and be there at night to see them at work. I have seen viaducts move on the WEH around 1 at night.

^^ Yeah work is mostly carried out in night. They close JP Road completely from Indian Oil junction to Lokhandwala Road junction after 1 AM many times.

Centre will assist state in planning Metros second leg

Rahul.Gadpale @timesgroup.com 21-11-2011

Its a decision that could cut short your long wait for a comfy ride on the Metro.Frowning over the inordinate delay in implementing the first phase of the Metro project (Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar ),the Centre will now put in an equal amount of money as the state,instead of banking on a joint partnership of the public and private sectors,as is presently the case.
Union Minister for Urban Development,Kamal Nath,made this announcement in Delhi on Sunday.

So,pending Metro projects for your bustling metropolis could have a 50:50 funding by the state and central governments.

The first phase of the Metro is a partnership venture of a private company formed between nodal development agency,Mumbai Metropolitan Road Development Agency (MMRDA),and the Anil Ambani-led Reliance Company.
This private company has been claiming that 80 per cent of work is complete.However,the reply to a Right To Information (RTI) query has revealed that only 60 per cent of work has completed so far.The company has been saying that the first line,Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar,will start functioning soon,but the information sought by the RTI shows that this is unlikely.

The bigger problem that emerged is that the company has not been able to plan the second line of the metro,the Charkop-Bandra-mankhurd line.There is much confusion over whether it should be underground or elevated,and it is unclear whether the company has sufficient funds.A senior MMRDA official said,The second line is very complicated,and seems to have a lot of technical problems.

Kamal Nath said the main reason there are so many problems with the project is that there are too many private players involved.Thus the central government has decided that the second line will progress like the Delhi Metro Railway Corporation did,with the help of the Centre.It has already instructed the state government to make a Detailed Project Report (DPR).
The work was supposed to be finished before March 2012,as per the agreement, said Anil Galgali,who filed the RTI and then filed a complaint with the minister.However,the work has been delayed and there has been a huge escalation in costs,and the MMRDA has not given any explanation for this.

The RTI filed shows that the total cost of the project is Rs 2356 crore.MMRDA holds 26 per cent stocks and Reliance holds the rest.The viability gap for the project is about Rs 650 crore,of which the central government will bear Rs 471 crore,and the state government and MMRDA will have to take care of the rest.
source :Mumbai Mirror

^^
Cracking the whip. Thats encouraging. The priority is to get line 1 functioning asap.

On a serious note, there is no need for commercial development (and perhaps no major demand too except from media and entertainment industry, which has enough space near Yash raj studios and Laxmi industrial estate) in that area. If all the areas become commercial, where will the 20 milion population live?[/QUOTE]

WOW! you just made big decisions regarding a place which takes years of planning and data. who decides if an area needs commercial development or not. this conflict between commercial and residential will be pervasive in a massive growth environment .. and more so in Mumbai with the scarcity of land. The friction has been similar in the 1970s when plot owned houses gave way to high rises in prabhadevi..and btw, 2011 census of mumbai says that we have 12 million plus people living here. give or take 3 million thats still 15 million. am not sure where you came up with the 20 million figure.

[QUOTE=Indiadreams;85858988]That is a great idea. Build elevated Metro in Peddar Road, Dharavi, Kurla, etc. They will move out or wont expand. How does that matter, whether people in nearby localities, commute through that road. They dont have any legal rights to visit or pass through that area.

I dont even understand what this means... all i know its on the lines of "if we can allow this.. then allow this also.. and this also..." which is not an argument at all.


How will Metro stop them from encroaching further, when they encroached upon when there was bursting traffic?

metro wont stop. but now, many people wont have to deal with it. metro requires the road to be of a certain width and paved. thus automatically, MMRDA will have to make sure that these are in place.

Centre will assist state in planning Metros second leg

Thus the central government has decided that the second line will progress like the Delhi Metro Railway Corporation did,with the help of the Centre.It has already instructed the state government to make a Detailed Project Report (DPR).

SO line 2 will be on line of DMRC and Reliance won't construct it ?

So, is moving out residential buildings, which are less than 10-20 years old, a small plan? Any place has to have a mix. Already Andheri is the biggest office cluster in Mumbai with almost 25% of the entire office space of MMR (Includes New Bombay/Thane). I just said that it should not be forced, because otherwise this area will largely remain residential.

The population of 20 milion is that of MMR.

I dont want to argue on your second point. You give the same logic when someone says that underground is a tried formula all over the world.

If MMRDA does everything as per rules, we would not have that problem in the first place. And many here have to understand that Metro doesnt mean the all the vehicles are out of roads. The line will handle about 1-2 lakh people everyday, which is a small fraction of suburban traffic and perhaps the vehicular traffic in the area. Still you need roads.

Centre will assist state in planning Metros second leg

Rahul.Gadpale @timesgroup.com 21-11-2011

source :Mumbai Mirror

Better sense prevailed at last. PPP is not meant for metro projects.PPP works only when Govt runs an otherwise profitable venture in an inefficient way, like our airports. Metro across the world are loss making period.

SO line 2 will be on line of DMRC and Reliance won't construct it ?
Nope, Line 2 of Phase 1 will still be under Reliance, they have already invested a lot, and the government would have to compensate them if they were to not get it. I think even line 3 will be PPP. I think from Phase 2 onwards it would be fully under the government

Struct let me know when key pieces of the bridge are being made. lll get all my photography gear to capture the pics
Sorry man cant help you with the bridge as that is not under our scope of works.

Centre will assist state in planning Metros second leg


The bigger problem that emerged is that the company has not been able to plan the second line of the metro,the Charkop-Bandra-mankhurd line.There is much confusion over whether it should be underground or elevated,and it is unclear whether the company has sufficient funds.A senior MMRDA official said,The second line is very complicated,and seems to have a lot of technical problems. Kamal Nath said the main reason there are so many problems with the project is that there are too many private players involved.Thus the central government has decided that the second line will progress like the Delhi Metro Railway Corporation did,with the help of the Centre.It has already instructed the state government to make a Detailed Project Report (DPR).
The work was supposed to be finished before March 2012,as per the agreement, said Anil Galgali,who filed the RTI and then filed a complaint with the minister.However,the work has been delayed and there has been a huge escalation in costs,and the MMRDA has not given any explanation for this.

source :Mumbai Mirror

If we go by the article, it says Line 2 -Charkop- Manhurd- will be through DMRC model. But Is Mumbai Mirror a reliable source?

It is almost impossible for Line 3 to be in PPP mode as it is completely underground. MMRDA throws up some or other funding /route plan every fortnight, while the simplest is DMRC model.

It is not very difficult to cancel the contract with Reliance after providing the compensation mentioned in the contract. I wish it happens.

I wish they would just concentrate on getting Line 1 commissioned first. I flinch everytime I see news articles about new proposals involving the other lines - we are fast slipping into a mode of mistaking talk for action. Commissoining Line 1 will elevate the confidence of all the constituencies - the public, the Govt and the company. Until then it just so much pfaff.

Yeah. We have billions of dollars ready at our disposal to change plans whenever we want and still continue the projects, without ramifications.

^^ If you mean Reliance contract for Line 2, they hardly did any visible thing except for soil testing. Having this line in PPP is not a good decision, given the complexities. Proof- the basic clearances are yet to be obtained. On top of it Reliance Infra is not doing well financially.

I wish they would just concentrate on getting Line 1 commissioned first. I flinch everytime I see news articles about new proposals involving the other lines - we are fast slipping into a mode of mistaking talk for action. Commissoining Line 1 will elevate the confidence of all the constituencies - the public, the Govt and the company. Until then it just so much pfaff.

Yes they should definitely focus on finishing Line 1. But in parallel work for other lines (anyway it wud be done by different team). Sequential planning will take a long time. Imagine submitting a proposal to AAI or fire department after commissioning of Line 1. If they deny permisisions for the current plan,they have to start from the scratch whcih will waste a lot of time. Mumbai is already late in building Metro comapred to other cities. Fortunately, Mumbai has a vast suburban railway network to start with.

[QUOTE=Indiadreams;85959980]^^ If you mean Reliance contract for Line 2, they hardly did any visible thing except for soil testing. Having this line in PPP is not a good decision, given the complexities. Proof- the basic clearances are yet to be obtained. On top of it Reliance Infra is not doing well financially.

Okay. i have enough free time in office to play with your arguments. so here goes...I hope you know that reliance won the bid through an entire bidding process for metro line II. its not a tshirt that you can return at a mall if it doesnt fit you. if the govt decides to cancel, it wont be without substantial financial costs. And we are talking billions of dollars at stake. ... Basic operational clearances (even though planning requires that) have little to do with awarding/canceling contracts unless its environmental or something critical like that.

its public knowledge that PPP is a model for making money but since this forum is more about the engineering/technical aspects of metro, lets stick to that ... the argument turns the other way when JVPD fatsos start using pseudo technical/economic/engineering language to argue for U/G network by producing sponsored vague studies by retired engineers who are only so happy to get some free lancing work. I read the report that you pasted some time back and the data in the report is very interpretative and many of the pages are sheer speculation. I have repeteadly said that though U/G is technically feasible all right but we are just not ready for the maintenance and safety levels that the U/G requires. :bash:

There are several issues/aprovals pending to start work for Metro line II.
Out of those one is that 'Land allocated for Metro carshed in Charkop'. The land utilization for carshed in Charkop need approval from Ministry of Environment.
One workaround is suggested on this. Extend the line "Mankhurd-BKC-Charkop" upto Dahisar.(The Charkop-Dahisar line is proposed for phase2). So the line will be 'Mankhurd-BKC-Charkop-Dahisar'. At dahisar the land for carshed is available which can get approval easily from Environment Ministry.

@ pyratun

First, I have never come across a forum rule that this forum is restricted to technical aspects and not commercial / financial aspects.

Second, why do you want to drag JVPD into every post, though there is no connection? Do you have any personal vendetta against someone in JVPD. Dude that report has IIT logo, a freelance engineer cannot use logo like that. And he is not retired

Third, I definitely know what the bidding process is. I have seen some contracts in my corporate work. Most of the contracts will have a termination clause. The termination clause will specify the penalty to be paid by the terminating party. This penalty will be in addition to the reimbursement of expenses incurred till the termination. The penalty will be just a reasonable amount which prevents either of the party to terminate the contract at their whims and fancies. But it will not be very high too, since such situations are usually envisaged in large projects. When the total project cost is approximately 2 billion dollar, I dont know how you got billions of dollars as penalty, unless you have insider information (It would be foolish to sign such termination clause, if that is true). I think it may be around 100 crores at this stage of the project (just based on my observations)


Fourth, please justify your points. A blanket statement without reasoning like this "I have repeteadly said that though U/G is technically feasible all right but we are just not ready for the maintenance and safety levels that the U/G requires" – doesn’t add any value to the discussions. Whenever something is new in a city, it is usually compared with similar projects in a comparable city. However, you always dismiss that argument. If I say that we are not ready to maintain elevated line without any justification, would you accept?

Ghatkopar station with suburban station on the right and the connecting skywalk on the left

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Nice pic CG.

Do we have renders of each station. Versova Station looks quite interesting.

Nice update. Station bldg looks good.

Looks sleek. Love the progress.

@ pyratun

First, I have never come across a forum rule that this forum is restricted to technical aspects and not commercial / financial aspects.

Second, why do you want to drag JVPD into every post, though there is no connection? Do you have any personal vendetta against someone in JVPD. Dude that report has IIT logo, a freelance engineer cannot use logo like that. And he is not retired

Third, I definitely know what the bidding process is. I have seen some contracts in my corporate work. Most of the contracts will have a termination clause. The termination clause will specify the penalty to be paid by the terminating party. This penalty will be in addition to the reimbursement of expenses incurred till the termination. The penalty will be just a reasonable amount which prevents either of the party to terminate the contract at their whims and fancies. But it will not be very high too, since such situations are usually envisaged in large projects. When the total project cost is approximately 2 billion dollar, I dont know how you got billions of dollars as penalty, unless you have insider information (It would be foolish to sign such termination clause, if that is true). I think it may be around 100 crores at this stage of the project (just based on my observations)


Fourth, please justify your points. A blanket statement without reasoning like this "I have repeteadly said that though U/G is technically feasible all right but we are just not ready for the maintenance and safety levels that the U/G requires" – doesn’t add any value to the discussions. Whenever something is new in a city, it is usually compared with similar projects in a comparable city. However, you always dismiss that argument. If I say that we are not ready to maintain elevated line without any justification, would you accept?

My take on this. Firstly comparing Delhi underground to Mumbai underground is like comparing oranges to apples given the ground directions. Delhi has very good rock to tunnel into, while Mumbai has very soft soil, as we all learnt in school Mumbai was just 7 islands and the rest is just filled in material so tunnelling is not easy. I have heard that u/g would cost 3 times as much as an elevated metro.

A small take on the delay of the metro, all parties are to be blamed, the extent to which is to be blamed is debatable. Firstly, starting from the top, Mumbai completely lack any political will which is not the case in Delhi. May be many people dont know that the final piece of land for the Metro was handed over to Reliance just 6months back. Shanties and illegal structures which were supposed to cleared never got cleared. Even now, Sarvodaya hospital is fighting with MMRDA to give away part of the compound. With so many hinderances it is really tough to do any plan as we do not when we can get the land and we cannot keep our equipment and labourers idle waiting for clearance. As a result they are demobilized and then remobilized when the clearances are received, which results in severe time delay.

Secondly, Reliance got the project by being the most competitive, I would say too competitive, it is just not possible for them to be profitable in this project unless they come up with some miracle. COnsequently every contractor hired by reliance also underbids to get the project. Due to this there is severe lack of funding in the project.

The problem exists from top to bottom and if the PPP model needs to be a successful one, then the governement really needs to rethink its policy of just awarding the project to the lowest bidder.

^^ Fair points about PPP. That is why many people questioned PPP model for Metro right from the beginning, including Sreedharan. And we had the famous Maytas issue.

And I definitely agree with your co-ordination of entities in Mumbai. But if you notice, most of the problems you have mentioned is applicable only for elevated line. And hence the delays...

But I dont get this. I always thought Delhi has softer alluvial soil, while Bombay has hard rocks. And we have tall skyscrapers with deep foundations all across the city. And it is the island city which is more of reclaimed land, in which case Line 3 will be affected due to that problem.

Leaving aside all this, MMRDA never declined u/g on technical issues till date. It was rejected because of cost issues as it cannot fund it in PPP mode. If there is no technical problem and relatively less overhead to get approvals from IR and AAI, why not try approach GOI and JBIC to fund the line using DMRC model. They have never tried this alternative at all. Definitely they cannot do it in PPP. Delhi had got approval for Phase 3 only recently,

^^ IF UG cost cannot is why it wasn't taken up in PPP, how come Reliance DMAE line was partly UG ??

It is not a subsidised system for common man. The fare is very high. But I am not sure if Reliance would get its returns. The chances are that it might have bid aggressively to get into the sector.

On top of it, there was a huge VGF component of more than 50% (though not directly from the Govt, but through DMRC, kind of back-door funding). I dont think Mumbai will get such kinda funding.

It is not a subsidised system for common man. The fare is very high. But I am not sure if Reliance would get its returns. The chances are that it might have bid aggressively to get into the sector.

On top of it, there was a huge VGF component of more than 50% (though not directly from the Govt, but through DMRC, kind of back-door funding). I dont think Mumbai will get such kinda funding.
Won't MMRDA like pay anything?

NOt possible. MMRDA doesnt have funds from central Govt and cheap debt guarnteed by central Govt, unlike DMRC and is not a dedicated agency for Metro.

Actually to me, Airport express line looks an innovative structure to bypass that 40% VGF limits set by the centre. For that, Mumbai should have formed an entity similar to DMRC. But I am not sure Govt would have still agreed in that case.

May be Chennai or Bangalore can give a try, as they have such an entity. Though, it is still better to do it under the normall DMRC model, according to me.

Delhi has very good rock to tunnel into, while Mumbai has very soft soil, as we all learnt in school Mumbai was just 7 islands and the rest is just filled in material so tunnelling is not easy. I have heard that u/g would cost 3 times as much as an elevated metro.

Tunneling is not an issue, political will and the genuine aspiration for development is. There are 3 water tunnels being bored by TBMs in Mumbai at the moment - Malabar hill to Cross Maidan (3.9 kms and 3.5 meter wide - Completed), Veravali to Yari Road and Marol to Matunga (8.3 kms and 6.25 m wide), so tunneling is clearly not an issue with Mumbai's soil type.


Delhi's funding model is tried, tested and being successfully implemented in other cities. JBIC's interest rate is also quite low and for a commuter city like Mumbai they'll happily dole out the funds. In 2008 Shreedharan had suggested the formation of MMRC on the lines of DMRC but instead the monkeys at the MMRDA ridiculed his suggestion. Delhi's already on Phase 3 while the MMRDA has Mumbai stuck on Phase 1. With the way the MMRDA handled the metro project so far, they need to be disbanded.

TO be fair MMDRA is sitting on a lot of land in BKC. they can easily fund the metro without having to goto anybody.

I mean they have acres and acres in BKC.

Do believe Sreedharan suggested that as well. They sell the land and then construct the metro.

MMDRA have badly messed the metro up. They should have sold the land. Given it to L and T or some agency which is known for infra projects. Then simply charge mumbaikars the fare to maintain the line to a good standard.

Problem with Anil Ambani's metro is that people have the option of a good BEST and suburban system. They will use that. Its not like delhi with no real alternative.

When there's easy funding available with little strings attached, why not avail it?

With the BKC land and other land parcels (Oshiwara, backbay etc), why not pump that money into roads, MTHL and Virar-Alibaug corridor? There's so much more on the list to develop.

When there's easy funding available with little strings attached, why not avail it?

With the BKC land and other land parcels (Oshiwara, backbay etc), why not pump that money into roads, MTHL and Virar-Alibaug corridor? There's so much more on the list to develop.

exactly.

Problem is MMRDA is a highly political body. Discussing that is a matter for another day.

Its full of people who have got jobs through connections (more so than normal) than people who got it through merit. MMRDA specialises in fugly skywalks which nobody uses.




I am honestly worried about the fare structure of metro line 2. Line 1 is ok as its not that long and is a crucial east west corridor. But 34 km across town means people are shelling out a lot of money. Nobody is going to give Rs50 one way for metro. You need to get the middle classes on board. Otherwise they will simply take the suburban to kurla and bandra and then hitch a ride to BKC on the way. So your not solving the problem of decongesting.

It'll be somewhat similar similar to the sealink's utilization. There'll be people who'd like to use the added comfort of travelling by the metro and there'll be people who'd cheap it out in the suburbans (akin to the old mahim causeway route).

The shift from suburbans to the metro will also depend on the expansion of the metro network. Bring in more lines and people will dole out money to reduce the overall commuting hassle.

But let's not forget the townies who'd use the metro. They'll form a good chunk of the commuters.

exactly.

The sea link as of now is a white elephant. A sort of rich/well to do man's joy ride. you can argue that we need to wait for western freeway maybe as the worli side does lead you to jams. But the entire western freeway will cost a lot of money.

The state should have simply bite a bullet and said ok lets keep this route free. Sure we lose money but many are tightwads and wont use it otherwise. For the greater good. People have to keep in mind Mumbaikars will go for the cheapest options. Its been my observation for a long time.



As things stand these large routes from western burbs to navi mumbai are going to cost a lot more than existing public transport.


Maybe they needed to be wise and use the metro to connect the east to west gap.

Kurla to bandra

sewri to worli

Jogeshwari to mulund.

Fair points. Although your Kurla to Bandra route would be just 4 kms :D when there's a lot more to the east you can extend to.

Mumbai from a development perspective has been a nightmare so far with no clear policy. There have been so many flip flops over implementing models - PPP or EPC, FSI parking policy, slum rehab etc. Seeing Mumbai's incredible potential not being harnessed in the right way honestly pains me.

Fair points. Although your Kurla to Bandra route would be just 4 kms :D when there's a lot more to the east you can extend to.

Mumbai from a development perspective has been a nightmare so far with no clear policy. There have been so many flip flops over implementing models - PPP or EPC, FSI parking policy, slum rehab etc. Seeing Mumbai's incredible potential not being harnessed in the right way honestly pains me.


The major problem was they divided the city in two parts EAST and WEST and the remaining became the MESS people didn't afford to live in EAST or WEST city so they came in this bloody mess and the whole city became full of trash now MMRDA wants to do by JVLR, SCLR, METRO is to put lid on trash which is not at all easy work to do. They just imagined to build things but never planned or worked on it the damn bloody attitude of our people that ye to chalta he chalne do should be killed then only we can do something

TO be fair MMDRA is sitting on a lot of land in BKC. they can easily fund the metro without having to goto anybody.

I mean they have acres and acres in BKC.

Do believe Sreedharan suggested that as well. They sell the land and then construct the metro.

MMDRA have badly messed the metro up. They should have sold the land. Given it to L and T or some agency which is known for infra projects. Then simply charge mumbaikars the fare to maintain the line to a good standard.

Problem with Anil Ambani's metro is that people have the option of a good BEST and suburban system. They will use that. Its not like delhi with no real alternative.

When JBIC is willing to give loans at cheap rate, why not utilise it. It is not wise to sell all land in BKC now. BKC will slowly develop and has the potential to be one of the most sought after CBDs in the world, if India growth story is to be beleived. And we might need the money for many projects in future.

On the alternatives, I definitely disagree. People use BEST or the roads along Line 1 just because they have to. You have to try travelling on that route during office hours, you would know what it means. Doesn't Delhi have roads or buses? Delhi's bus fleet is almost thrice that of Mumbai. Agreed they dont have suburban to reduce the load, but still.

And again on Line 2, there is a very high demand from the highly dense upper middle class close to the sea. The density in these areas will challenge the slum density (Lokhandwala for instance) inspite of high purchasing power and spending habits. The fares will not increase proportionately as the distance increases. Just like suburban lines, the per km fare will decrease as the distance increases. They would know that the average distance will usually be around 15 km and hence charging less for long distances will not affect the revenues. Does Delhi Metro charge so high when people change 3 lines to reach their destination.

^^ IF UG cost cannot is why it wasn't taken up in PPP, how come Reliance DMAE line was partly UG ??

In DAME, civil construction was done by DMRC (Rs. 3000 crores), while signalling, rolling stock, tracks, etc was done by Reliance (Rs. 2800 crores). I a way Reliance spent less than half of the total cost of this line.

Also, fare structure is different for this line which makes it profitable even with less number of commuters.

I am not wrong, area meant for property development in stations of this line is far more than other lines of Delhi metro, which is again a major source of income.


I am honestly worried about the fare structure of metro line 2. Line 1 is ok as its not that long and is a crucial east west corridor. But 34 km across town means people are shelling out a lot of money. Nobody is going to give Rs50 one way for metro. You need to get the middle classes on board. Otherwise they will simply take the suburban to kurla and bandra and then hitch a ride to BKC on the way. So your not solving the problem of decongesting.

I don't think they will charge Rs. 50 not just because this would be expensive in absolute terms but also in relative term when compared to alternate modes of transport. In Delhi metro, the maximum fare is Rs. 30 even if the distance travelled is 60 km.

When JBIC is willing to give loans at cheap rate, why not utilise it. It is not wise to sell all land in BKC now. BKC will slowly develop and has the potential to be one of the most sought after CBDs in the world, if India growth story is to be beleived. And we might need the money for many projects in future.

Fair points.

The fares will not increase proportionately as the distance increases. Just like suburban lines, the per km fare will decrease as the distance increases. They would know that the average distance will usually be around 15 km and hence charging less for long distances will not affect the revenues.

Yes, that's how fare structure in most of the public transport systems is.

Does Delhi Metro charge so high when people change 3 lines to reach their destination.

There is no charge for changing lines. In fact, a commuter changing lines doesn't even need to pass through fare collection gates of intermediate lines since passage for commuters transferring between lines at interchange stations are different from those commuters who are entering the metro system through these stations.

However, if the metro operators are different for different lines, then commuters have to pay differently for both lines, for example while transferring from yellow line to airport line, one needs to shell full amounts for both individual lines since airport line is not operated by DMRC.

If all of Mumbai's lines are built under PPP mode in future, then commuters may need to pay a lot while transferring from line of one operator to another.

^^
It will be a single ticket, even if many private players are there. MMRDA will stipuate revenue split ( I think it is included as a clause in the contract). In fact, some news articles quote there wiill be a single ticket even when someone changes from suburban to Metro. Though it is hard to believe with IR at the helm. In case of DAME, they didnt have single ticket, because there is no big utlity as of now. Why to have overheads, when the two lines cater to two different needs and segments.


The cost incurred by DMRC in DAME is equivalent to VGF in a pure PPP project. It would have faced funding problems if it was a pure PPP (with VGF from Govt) instead of part of Phase II.

It is like this, if DMRC had done the whole thing, it would have incurred an additional Rs.2800 Crores. And hence some other lines might not have got funds. Giving it to a private player, DMRC lost its reveues from airport express line (a meagre 1% of revenues and fixed fee of Rs.51 crore is paid by Reliance to DMRC). Anyway the revenue loss will not pinch DMRC now, as the loans have good moratorium. When it pinches later, we have a guarantee from GOI. Most of the debt of Bangalore, Chennai and Delhi metro (and cities with similar model) will be paid by Govt later (after 10-15 years). In case of PPP, it has to pay upfront during construction. I think the former is better, as GoI will hopefully be in a better position to pay back with the investment in infrastructure giving better returns, though indirectly in the form of investments and revenues from business houses

^^
It will be a single ticket, even if many private players are there. MMRDA will stipuate revenue split ( I think it is included as a clause in the contract). In fact, some news articles quote there wiill be a single ticket even when someone changes from suburban to Metro. Though it is hard to believe with IR at the helm.

I am not talking about single ticket system, which is rather not difficult to implement. What I am talking about is that when a person changes a metro line, fares will increase drastically (whether single ticket or multiple ticket) if the operators are different.

For example, assume that minimum fare of a line A is Rs. 8 and it increases by Rs. 1 for every station. Similarly line B has same fare system and both line A and B are run by different operators.

If a person is travelling in such a way that he needs to travel 3 stations (excluding the origin station) on line A and 4 more stations on line B, then he would need to pay Rs. (8+1+1)+(8+1+1+1) = Rs. 21 for covering 7 stations.

If both line A and B were run by one operator, then the fare would be simply 8+1+1+1+1+1+1 = Rs. 14. This is what I am talking about. Even if there is one journey ticket in first case, the ticket price would still be Rs. 21.

Sadly, this already happens in our bus systems even though they are run by one operator. Whenever you change a bus, you are considered as a new user and that's why you need to pay much more if you are changing 3 buses compared to when you are travelling in a single bus for same length of journey.

In case of DAME, they didnt have single ticket, because there is no big utlity as of now. Why to have overheads, when the two lines cater to two different needs and segments.

They were supposed to have one journey ticket for both the systems but its implementation seems delayed. There will be one journey ticket for Delhi metro and Gurgaon metro too but as I said earlier, the total fare of that ticket will be a sum of independent fares of both systems.

@ pyratun

First, I have never come across a forum rule that this forum is restricted to technical aspects and not commercial / financial aspects.

Second, why do you want to drag JVPD into every post, though there is no connection? Do you have any personal vendetta against someone in JVPD. Dude that report has IIT logo, a freelance engineer cannot use logo like that. And he is not retired

Third, I definitely know what the bidding process is. I have seen some contracts in my corporate work. Most of the contracts will have a termination clause. The termination clause will specify the penalty to be paid by the terminating party. This penalty will be in addition to the reimbursement of expenses incurred till the termination. The penalty will be just a reasonable amount which prevents either of the party to terminate the contract at their whims and fancies. But it will not be very high too, since such situations are usually envisaged in large projects. When the total project cost is approximately 2 billion dollar, I dont know how you got billions of dollars as penalty, unless you have insider information (It would be foolish to sign such termination clause, if that is true). I think it may be around 100 crores at this stage of the project (just based on my observations)


Fourth, please justify your points. A blanket statement without reasoning like this "I have repeteadly said that though U/G is technically feasible all right but we are just not ready for the maintenance and safety levels that the U/G requires" – doesn’t add any value to the discussions. Whenever something is new in a city, it is usually compared with similar projects in a comparable city. However, you always dismiss that argument. If I say that we are not ready to maintain elevated line without any justification, would you accept?


yes its obvious i drag JVPD into all this because i stay there and i know the hypocrisy masquerading as people's wish.... for the rest of the arguments ill reply when i get some free time in office and i am bored.

In DAME, civil construction was done by DMRC (Rs. 3000 crores), while signalling, rolling stock, tracks, etc was done by Reliance (Rs. 2800 crores). I a way Reliance spent less than half of the total cost of this line.

Those numbers are wrong. For the entire project, DMRC spent Rs 1198 crore (38%), GMR spent 350cr (12%) while spent Reliance 1528 cr (50%).

signalling + rolling stock + tracks surely don't add up to 2800 crores, do they?


I am not talking about single ticket system, which is rather not difficult to implement. What I am talking about is that when a person changes a metro line, fares will increase drastically (whether single ticket or multiple ticket) if the operators are different.

That's an assumption at the best. What you're forgetting is that these lines will come under one organization. The folks at MMRDA are dumb but not this dumb to allow the minimum base fare to be added every time you switch lines.

Those numbers are wrong. For the entire project, DMRC spent Rs 1198 crore (38%), GMR spent 350cr (12%) while spent Reliance 1528 cr (50%).

signalling + rolling stock + tracks surely don't add up to 2800 crores, do they?

As per your figures, total project cost is about Rs. 3100 for a 23 km line, that is, about 130 cr/km. A line, two-third of which is underground and rest elevated cannot be built at 130 cr/km.

Here are some articles which peg the cost at Rs. 5700-5800 crores, including the break-up between DMRC and Reliance.

http://www.constructionupdate.com/asapp/SpecialReport/Metro-New-Delhi-Airport.asp

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/with-fewer-passengers-airport-express-line-only-picksflak/430722/

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-02-23/news/28626811_1_rinfra-ceo-dhaula-kuan-delhi-metro

That's an assumption at the best. What you're forgetting is that these lines will come under one organization. The folks at MMRDA are dumb but not this dumb to allow the minimum base fare to be added every time you switch lines.

In case of Gurgaon metro, fare will be flat at Rs. 10 whether you board from one of its stations or interchange from yellow line (that's what I have read). Here also there is no incremental fare policy, though they come under different organisations unlike Mumbai Metro as you suggested.

I am wondering how MMRDA or Mumbai Metro Rail Corp (if ever formed) will enforce such fare policy.

Even DMRC press release pegs cost at 5700 cr

http://www.delhimetrorail.com/press_reldetails.aspx?id=KYCBFDTNGEYlld

The text in those links are misleading and have not been correctly described. 5700 or 5800 crore isn't the actual amount that was spent in order to get the required infrastructure ready.

Since this line is a specially tailored PPP project, the contract entailed Reliance to pay 2 things (considered an investment) to the DMRC to secure it:

1. Debt
2. Equity to maintain the equity-debt ratio to 30:70

Both these add up to make the required payment of Rs 2,020 crore. Subtract this figure from Rs 5700 cr, and you'll get the approximate final amount that was spent to get the infra ready.

Think about it. What other big investment could Reliance+CAF make apart from the rolling stock to arrive at an investment of Rs 2885 cr? Signalling system + electrification + baggage handling went to Siemens for 34mn Euros (http://www.siemens.com/press/en/pressrelease/2009/mobility/IMO200905028.htm) (Rs 235 crores today). Track work was done by Kalindee Engineers for Rs 99.98 crores (http://www.kalindee.net/major_project.html).

Any other significant investment by Reliance? nope.

Still not convinced? then see the civil construction cost analysis below.


As per your figures, total project cost is about Rs. 3100 for a 23 km line, that is, about 130 cr/km. A line, two-third of which is underground and rest elevated cannot be built at 130 cr/km.


Actually it can be :) The way the DMRC broke the lines down into small contracts ensured competitive bidding - bringing both the cost and construction time down.

Here are the civil construction contract values for all 7 contracts:

Underground Section

Contract C1 - includes New Delhi Railway Station and Shivaji station
New Delhi RS to Talkatora - HCC+Alpine+Samsung -> 3.86kms@Rs. 774.64 crore(source (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/hcc-led-jv-bags-rs-774-64-cr-delhi-metro-order/articleshow/2399532.cms)) = Rs 200.7cr/km

Contract C3 - includes Aerocity station
NH8 to Aerocity - Afcons -> 3.61 kms@233 crore (source (http://www.planningplanet.com/users/38234-madhubabu-gonapa/view/experience/504852)) = Rs 64.72 cr/km

Contract C4 - includes IGI T3 station
Delhi Aerocity to IGI Airport - Senbo Engineering -> 2.26 kms@180 crores(source (http://senboengineering.com/AMEL-C4.asp)) = Rs 79.64cr/km

Contract C5
IGI Airport to Dwarka Sec21 - L&T+SUCG - 2.4kms@275 crores(source (http://www.domain-b.com/companies/companies_l/Larsen/20071119_tunnelling.html)) = Rs 114 cr/km

Contract C6
Talkatora to BJ Park(Ridge) - HCC+Alpine -> 2.61 kms @ Rs. 297.51 crore(source (http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/hcc-alpine-bags-rs-29751cr-orderdmrc_318037.html)) = Rs 114 cr/km

Contract C7 - includes Dwarka Sec 21 station
Tunnel north of IGI to west of Sec21 station - ERA Infra +KMB -> 1.6kms@148.41 crores(source (http://www.eragroup.co.in/pdf/Era%20Infra_Investor%2010%20july.pdf)) = Rs 92.76cr/km


There's a big difference in cost/km because the project scope for each contract wasn't the same. C1, C5 & C6 were built using TBMs, the rest were all cut and cover. The difference between C1 and C6 (both in central Delhi) is large because C1 involved tunneling beneath the yellow and blue lines and also included the construction of 2 stations.


Elevated Section

Contract C2 - includes Dhaula Kuan station
Ridge to NH8 - IJM+IJMII -> 7.2 kms @ 185.60 crores (source (http://www.ijm.com/v2/investor/announ_071217a.htm)) = 26cr/km

^this figure sounds too good to be true, eh? This section was cheap because of the precast girder and precast pier cap that were used. Thankfully the DMRC is going to use those cool 25m girders in Phase 3 as well.


Let's do some simple calculations with all the numbers we have so far:

1. Signaling + Electrification + Baggage Handling System + Track = Rs. 335cr
2. Civil construction (stations + viaduct + tunnels) = Rs. 2094cr

1 & 2 add upto Rs. 2429 crores. To achieve the 5700 crore figure that you believe in, we are still a good Rs 3,271 crores short.

What else is left to be added to the project cost? Station architectural detailing, automatic fair collection system, rolling stock and depot work. Maybe you can throw in that cool blue polycarbonate paraphet wall as well but surely these 5 items alone won't add upto 3,271 crores to fill the gap.

In case of Gurgaon metro, fare will be flat at Rs. 10 whether you board from one of its stations or interchange from yellow line (that's what I have read). Here also there is no incremental fare policy, though they come under different organisations unlike Mumbai Metro as you suggested.

I am wondering how MMRDA or Mumbai Metro Rail Corp (if ever formed) will enforce such fare policy.

That's for them to decide how to go about structuring the fare.

And generally speaking, not every project implementation is alike. The fare policy and structure of one agreement (DMRC+RMRG) can't be lifted and assumed to be the same for Mumbai's lines.

Thanks for info and links IU :cheers:

Thaks for the info IU.

Thanks IU for these calculations. It would be great if other lines can built at such costs and in such time (completed in about 3.5 years). However, other lines will pass through far more congested areas than this one which might make them more expensive to build.

On a side note IU, why is Phase-III's cost 35,000 crores for 105 km or have they included other NCR lines in this cost? Rs. 330 cr/km seems expensive when only 40% of it underground.

Well said.

I have very low hopes for mumbai now. in the last 2-3 years the mess and greed i am seeing its quite pathetic. like our unique country, Mumbai will be a unique 3rd world city with 5 good things and 15 rubbish stuff and people will sell mumbai as a confluence of old and new as its being doing for years.

The major problem was they divided the city in two parts EAST and WEST and the remaining became the MESS people didn't afford to live in EAST or WEST city so they came in this bloody mess and the whole city became full of trash now MMRDA wants to do by JVLR, SCLR, METRO is to put lid on trash which is not at all easy work to do. They just imagined to build things but never planned or worked on it the damn bloody attitude of our people that ye to chalta he chalne do should be killed then only we can do something

Taken today, on WEH, under the Jog Flyover, looking westwards

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Abhishek, see the Delhi metro thread.

Lovely pictures AshBaggins.

i know am being selfish but more pics please... lots of discussion (including me) but no picss!!!!! especiually of the saki naka to ghatkopar section........

http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/PUBLICATIONS/HT/HM/2011/11/29/Article//006/29_11_2011_006_013.jpg

i know am being selfish but more pics please... lots of discussion (including me) but no picss!!!!! especiually of the saki naka to ghatkopar section........

have pics of entire asalpha section...but my location is not cooperating upload of pics..trying with imageshack...neone can suggest an alternative method? sorry maybe repetitive but net here is quite slow...

^^ Have you tried Flickr?

:banana: Hey guys...had been following this thread since long and now I finally became member!! Nice updates!!

http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/PUBLICATIONS/HT/HM/2011/11/29/Article//006/29_11_2011_006_013.jpg
Great plans ahead ha!!:nuts:
Planning is always good..hope the implementation part also follows soon

http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/PUBLICATIONS/HT/HM/2011/11/29/Article//006/29_11_2011_006_013.jpg

On google maps:

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7619/mumbailine3.jpg

They can accommodate another station between Grant Road and Chira Bazaar at Girgaon. The line is still being planned and changes will obviously be made so let's see what happens.

On google maps:

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7619/mumbailine3.jpg

They can accommodate another station between Grant Road and Chira Bazaar at Girgaon. The line is still being planned and changes will obviously be made so let's see what happens.

wow this looks good!. thanks IU. it almost complements the WR ANd the monorail.. . connecting it to SEEPZ makes sense. of course, sapney hi hain sab... by the time it comes down to construction, its gonna go through so many changes :cheers:

http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/PUBLICATIONS/HT/HM/2011/11/29/Article//006/29_11_2011_006_013.jpg
Excellent :rock: This will make it the longest u/g metro line in the country. Currently the longest is a ~24 km continuous u/g part of Yellow line from GTB Nagar to SAKET.

On google maps:

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7619/mumbailine3.jpg

They can accommodate another station between Grant Road and Chira Bazaar at Girgaon. The line is still being planned and changes will obviously be made so let's see what happens.

Great work IU. Can you update it with line 1 and line 2 also in similar fashion with diff. colours.

It will give a good and clear picture of interchange station and how it(metro) will change the way we commute, if implemented :)

WEH Bridge update: 2 cables now in place on both the pillars. Coudn't get pics sorry.

Connecting Seepz with an interchanage with Line 1 at Marol Naka is great. Finally they realised building elevated lines will only delay the process. It seems the line doesnt pass through any road in most parts of suburbs. It just cuts across the area taking the shortest rout. Hope they follow DMRC model and achieve financial closure soon

Doesn't MMOPL have the tallest pillars in the country? For a metro viaduct?

^ Currently yes. At Jog flyover the viaduct is 21.5 meters above the ground. In another couple of months, the piers at Kathipara in Chennai will be 24 meters above the ground.

Great work IU. Can you update it with line 1 and line 2 also in similar fashion with diff. colours.

It will give a good and clear picture of interchange station and how it(metro) will change the way we commute, if implemented :)


Here ya go :)

Line 1 will be blue as it shows in the rolling stock display (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYvtqi59Hp0) while Line 2 will be red from what I've seen at different sources.

The alignment around Bandra station hasn't been frozen yet (http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-04-30/mumbai/29490206_1_bandra-station-land-acquisition-chief-secretary) (could be along station road) so I've shown the easiest route heading east.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5227/mumbaimetrophase1.jpg

I had really hoped for the line 3 to tread a more central path after Bombay Central, going south-east towards CST; possibly going through Bhuleshwar. Atleast they're talking seriously about the line though.