Metro-II bridge gets rly approval

Ashley DMello TNN

Mumbai: The plans for the second line of the Mumbai Metro on the Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd route have got a shot in the arm with the railways granting permission for a Metro bridge across the Central Railway (CR) lines at Kurla and Mankhurd.
This is seen as a major development by senior officials at the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA),who said that work on Metro-II could now be speeded up.Getting the permission was not easy,say officials.The railways have stringent safety regulations in place and the commissioner of railway safety insists on all of them being observed.
The Metros first line was delayed because the MMRDA had trouble getting the plans for a bridge across WR lines near Andheri station passed.The design for the bridge had to be changed and the negotiations took almost a year before permission was granted, an official said.
The second Metro line,which will be 32 km long and cost Rs 8,250 crore,has had its share of opposition.Citizens groups in Bandra and Juhu have asked for part of the route from Andheri to Bandra to be underground so as to avoid demolition of residences and business establishments.

How does that matter whether you share it before or after the work is tendered. If there is a change, they can share that later. The people who are interested would understand the difference between proposed plan and final plan.It brings in more transaprency.

It is a typical Indian Govt dept thinking that people have to go to the concerned department to get information. Sharing it in the net brings in more transaprency. What harm did it cause to AAI after it started sharing traffic statistics in the net? What is the harm in people knowing what is being planned in their area?

Well said. I agree. If there is an RTI request, then they would need to share it in any case. Why wait? Just do it upfront with appropriate disclaimers.

Well said. I agree. If there is an RTI request, then they would need to share it in any case. Why wait? Just do it upfront with appropriate disclaimers.

See my point of view on page 312, post 6234

Metro-II bridge gets rly approval

Ashley DMello TNN

Mumbai: The plans for the second line of the Mumbai Metro on the Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd route have got a shot in the arm with the railways granting permission for a Metro bridge across the Central Railway (CR) lines at Kurla and Mankhurd.
This is seen as a major development by senior officials at the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA),who said that work on Metro-II could now be speeded up.Getting the permission was not easy,say officials.The railways have stringent safety regulations in place and the commissioner of railway safety insists on all of them being observed.
The Metros first line was delayed because the MMRDA had trouble getting the plans for a bridge across WR lines near Andheri station passed.The design for the bridge had to be changed and the negotiations took almost a year before permission was granted, an official said.
The second Metro line,which will be 32 km long and cost Rs 8,250 crore,has had its share of opposition.Citizens groups in Bandra and Juhu have asked for part of the route from Andheri to Bandra to be underground so as to avoid demolition of residences and business establishments.

Thanks to IR for that.

Source: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/transportation/railways/how-information-on-designs-of-metro-leaked-and-posted-on-website-asks-supreme-court/articleshow/11424662.cms

NEW DELHI: The Supreme Court today wanted to know from the Delhi Metro Rail Corporation (DMRC) as to how information on the structural drawings and design of metro corridor pillars were leaked and posted on the website when it was claiming that such information cannot be disclosed under the RTI law.

"Has any effort been made to find out how it was leaked and put on the website. You can find out," a bench comprising justices P Sathasivam and J Chelameswar said while staying the order of the Delhi High Court which had asked the DMRC to make public information about the July 2009 collapse of a metro corridor pillar at Zamrudpur in south Delhi killing six persons.

The DMRC has challenged the August 1, 2011 judgement of the division bench of the High Court which had held that there was no security threat in providing such information under the Right to Information (RTI) Act.

Attorney General G E Vahanvati said not only for the security reasons but also for the commercial considerations the information on structural drawings and planning of Delhi metro cannot be made public as there was always a fear that it may go into wrong hands.

He said DMRC is a flagship company which is competing for the metro projects in other cities and in view of that "how can there be no confidentiality".

However, Sudhir Vohra, a Delhi-based architect, who is seeking information on the issue, said the plea of security concern cannot hold water as he was not asking for information on airports, oil pipelines or power plants.

He said he had written a letter to DMRC for the drawing of one pillar which broke down in the year 2009 and he received a reply from the top official that there was a defect in the design resulting in the collapse.


No offence to any one... but as there was discussion on this i have posted this... probably OT

Thanks to IR for that.

Pretty premature, I would say. IR still will take its own time to approve design, block time for construction etc. Even Line 1 had in-principle approval before construction.

When will AAI approve?. If it doesn't approve, it is a deathknell for the project, in its current form.

See my point of view on page 312, post 6234

@KalpK, I do see where you're coming from and I admit that it is a valid concern. I just think that keeping it out of the public domain will not deter people with malafide intent - they will find a way to get it. But yes, it will help delay their plans and the delay could be useful in helping prevent it.

@KalpK, I do see where you're coming from and I admit that it is a valid concern. I just think that keeping it out of the public domain will not deter people with malafide intent - they will find a way to get it. But yes, it will help delay their plans and the delay could be useful in helping prevent it.

Thanks, finally someone on my side.

Metro-II bridge gets rly approval

Ashley DMello TNN

Mumbai: The plans for the second line of the Mumbai Metro on the Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd route have got a shot in the arm with the railways granting permission for a Metro bridge across the Central Railway (CR) lines at Kurla and Mankhurd.
This is seen as a major development by senior officials at the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA),who said that work on Metro-II could now be speeded up.Getting the permission was not easy,say officials.The railways have stringent safety regulations in place and the commissioner of railway safety insists on all of them being observed.
The Metros first line was delayed because the MMRDA had trouble getting the plans for a bridge across WR lines near Andheri station passed.The design for the bridge had to be changed and the negotiations took almost a year before permission was granted, an official said.
The second Metro line,which will be 32 km long and cost Rs 8,250 crore,has had its share of opposition.Citizens groups in Bandra and Juhu have asked for part of the route from Andheri to Bandra to be underground so as to avoid demolition of residences and business establishments.

If their safety standards are soo high, why did the newly introduced Double Deck Trains running in WB scratch the platforms so often? :bash:

the project will not only miss the 2013 deadline by nearly a year, even construction cost is bound to go up.

Building a 32 km line in less than 3 years is a tall claim, esp when they know how much Line 1 is delayed which is a third in size.

The railways have stringent safety regulations in place and the commissioner of railway safety insists on all of them being observed.

:lol:. This is similar to railways saying that we have world class stations.

I think I read somewhere that Kurla will prove to be tougher challenge than Andheri.

Metro-II bridge gets rly approval

The railways have stringent safety regulations in place and the commissioner of railway safety insists on all of them being observed.
.

B*lls. What's he smoking? :bash: Point him to the scores of accidents in the last one year including the one this morning of the Delhi bound Brahmaputra Mail.

^^
I think they made a mistake while writing that. They would have meant that they would miss 2013 deadline for starting construction :)

Both Bandra and Kurla are big challenges. After negotiating WR and slums in Bandra E, the metro has to cross over a busy flyover at Kalanagar junction, which will be far more difficult than existing WEH flyover.


I dont know why some of the quoted MMRDA officials by newpapers are hell bent on going ahead with elevated line even after the problems in Line 1. And the initial consultant and MMRDA had completely overlooked Juhu runway problem, which is pretty serious. Even a normal knowledged person would say, it is impossible to go elevated there.

My wishlist for Line 2 is to extend it to Vashi and ultimately to NMIA and have a parallel fast corridor (quadraple tracks). The fast corridor can double up as airport express line to give exclusive connectivity to airport with luggage rakes. Definitely, there is good demand for fast corridor.Yup, it's too much for our babus and netas, especially when they have to spend for the suburbs.

MMRDA hopes to acquire Asalfa plot soon for Metro rail corridor

Express news service : Mumbai, Wed Jan 11 2012, 02:38 hrs

The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) hopes to acquire a crucial piece of land on the Andheri-Ghatkopar Link Road for the construction of the city’s first Metro rail corridor soon, after negotiating with the owners for over two years.

The state Urban Development Department had issued a notification on December 26, stating that it was necessary to acquire the Asalfa plot to complete the widening of the Andheri-Ghatkopar Link Road. The plot falls within the premises of the Maheshwar temple, which will not need to be shifted.

“They would be required to hand over the land to the Collector’s office in the name of MMRDA. So we are expecting to get possession of the land by the month-end,” an MMRDA spokesperson said. “We had tried to negotiate with the temple authorities, but failed. We said we would adequately compensate them for the land, but it did not work out,” he added.

The land is required for the construction of a Metro station at Asalfa, one of the 12 stations on the 11-km Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar Metro line. The construction of stations is 80-85 per cent complete, said an official of Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd, the Reliance Infrastructure-led consortium in charge of the corridor.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/MMRDA-hopes-to-acquire-Asalfa-plot-soon-for-Metro-rail-corridor/898329/

BMC to give Kandivli plot for Metro casting yard

Civic chief Subodh Kumar on Wednesday agreed to hand over a plot in Kandivli to MMRDA for two to three years for setting up a casting yard for the Charkop-Bandra--Mankhurd Metro route.

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOIM/2012/01/12&PageLabel=10&EntityId=Ar01005&ViewMode=HTML

WR bridge

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8228/20120112174907.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/259/20120112174907.jpg/)

BMC to give Kandivli plot for Metro casting yard

Civic chief Subodh Kumar on Wednesday agreed to hand over a plot in Kandivli to MMRDA for two to three years for setting up a casting yard for the Charkop-Bandra--Mankhurd Metro route.

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOIM/2012/01/12&PageLabel=10&EntityId=Ar01005&ViewMode=HTML

lately there a quite lot of activity on metro
1. approval by central railway
2. now the casting yard at kandivali

on line 1 the construction is now quite fast paced.

lets hope they start the construction of line 2 soon and keep the current construction pace of line 1.

one question line 2 be is now till charkop or till dahisar

the bridge :-
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1353/20120112180951.jpg

Construction Over Railway Tracks :

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2606/20120112181316.jpg

Work of piller going on at western side :

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1410/201201121814171.jpg

the bridge :-
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1353/20120112180951.jpg


Amazing! its a huge section! And its prefab, so wont take much time. 6 months? What do you say guys? BTW this is fabricated by BBJ Kolkata
( http://www.bbjconst.com/index.html ).

Reliance should do some artistic paint job, make it attractive.

Nice pics CG and humanonmars. Looks like Dec 2012 we might actually be close to starting trials !!!

Amazing! its a huge section! And its prefab, so wont take much time. 6 months? What do you say guys? BTW this is fabricated by BBJ Kolkata
( http://www.bbjconst.com/index.html ).

Reliance should do some artistic paint job, make it attractive.

c'mon, its just another bridge .... everything neednt be artistic, some things turn out artistic due to economy and lack of space.

In this case, its economy, lack of space and lack of time :)

Great updates CG & human!

c'mon, its just another bridge .... everything neednt be artistic, some things turn out artistic due to economy and lack of space.

In this case, its economy, lack of space and lack of time :)

Does "economy, lack of space and lack of time" stop you from doing an artistic paint job? will it hurt u if they do it?
Yes it will, coz then you cant curse the govt and Reliance for making an eyesore bridge.

thanks CG and humanonmars! the work has picked quite a pace.

Look at the guy on the bridge in CG's pic. those sections seem to be huge...amazing how they do it with local trains beneath them.

Amazing pics guys!!! This is my only source of latest pics since I dont work there anymore. Please keep them coming!!!!:banana:

I go through the same route almost daily.....

yesterday they were not allowing people to go under the Andheri Metro station building structure.....

They have just put on first pre-fabricated block and they have not yet reached the area over railway tracks .... the work is going on in rapid pace between the tracks (in pic 2).....

On the western side area where these people are working is very tight.... they are building another column their.... i couldn't wait and take pic there as people were already giving gaalis to government and reliance ..... "Kitne saalo se chal raha hai ye kaam.... aur kitne saal tak chalega pata nahi..... " n if i woulda waited there for a bit..... thn u imagine wht kinda words i would hear.... :)

I will try to bring in more updates as work progresses.....

Here you go!

Panorama of the WR area
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the building

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under the building

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Although I am all for rapid development of transportation infra in the city, I have my doubts regarding an elevated route for future Metro lines - especially considering the mess Metro 1 created along the route. Can't even imagine the chaos that will be caused by the construction going through some of the busiest sections of the city. It may not get done even in 10 years time frame.

IMHO, Mumbai's only solution is to build a full fledged underground subway system just like New York City. But I guess I'm just dreaming, when it comes to our babus having a futuristic vision.

Nice updates their about the under construction bridge.....

Here is some unrelated but interesting news that appeared in ToI.....

Realty firms home in on deals

Realty major Housing Development and Infrastructure Limited (HDIL) is said to be in advanced stages to sell 7,547 sq m or roughly 2 acres of land located next to the proposed Metro car shed at Versova, Andheri (W).

The deal (land plus development rights) is estimated to be over Rs 300 crore. The buyer is reportedly another major real estate developer. The land is part of an 8,000 sq m plot, where HDIL is constructing a residential building.

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOIM/2012/01/12&PageLabel=7&EntityId=Ar00701&ViewMode=HTML

Although I am all for rapid development of transportation infra in the city, I have my doubts regarding an elevated route for future Metro lines - especially considering the mess Metro 1 created along the route. Can't even imagine the chaos that will be caused by the construction going through some of the busiest sections of the city. It may not get done even in 10 years time frame.

IMHO, Mumbai's only solution is to build a full fledged underground subway system just like New York City. But I guess I'm just dreaming, when it comes to our babus having a futuristic vision.

futuristic vision ! they have myopic vision which is not corrected even by wearing glasses

Source: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/development-body-in-talks-with-csia/899608/

The city’s development body is in talks with officials at the Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport (CSIA) asking the authority to partially share the financial burden of the Colaba-Bandra-Seepz metro corridor, as the line will enhance connectivity to the airport.

The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) has initiated a dialogue with officials at CSIA to either construct or finance the construction of three stations, namely the Domestic Airport, Sahar Road and the International Airport stations.

“We recently had a meeting about this and till now their response has been positive,” an official at the MMRDA said. “The cost of three stations would be about Rs 700 crore,” he added.

The Colaba-Bandra-Seepz corridor, the city’s third metro line, would be a fully underground line of about 33 kilometers with 27 stations. The cost of the corridor is estimated at Rs 16,180 crore. The MMRDA is planning to construct the car depot for the line at Aarey Milk Colony.

The authorities at the CSIA have put forward certain conditions in front of the development body for the corridor. The first being that the metro line should run round-the-clock as there are many international flights scheduled for odd hours and the second, a provision for a check-in facility at stations. “Their requests are genuine, but it would be difficult to run the metro line 24/7,” the MMRDA official said. “Even for the check-in facility, it is easier to implement such a system on a metro line that has fewer stations.”However, the official said the MMRDA will examine these conditions and see how these could be implemented.

The MMRDA is currently in talks with the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA) to fund the metro corridor and is expecting their team to arrive in Mumbai within the next two months for the next round of discussions. “The social impact and economic impact assessment studies are also underway and we expect to have the details before the JICA team's visit,” the official said.

Locals support plan for underground Metro


Chittaranjan Tembhekar | TNN

Mumbai: Inundated by congestion on the city’s roads every day, Mumbaikars seem to have a clear vision about future modes of transport.
On Wednesday, citizens did not raise any objections to the proposal to build an underground Metro rail link between Colaba and Seepz in Andheri via Bandra and the airport, thereby indicated their support to the subterranean route proposed between south Mumbai and the western suburbs, say Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) officials.
Citizens were invited to submit their objections and suggestions by January 11 over the third Metro line. “We have not received a single letter suggesting changes in the plan. This indicates the unanimous support of citizens to the Metro plan,” said a senior MMRDA official.The construction of the first Metro line (Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar) is progressing steadily and will be completed by the year-end, said an MMRDA official. However, the work on the Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd line is yet to take off, officials added.
Citizen groups from the western suburbs have objected to the elevated route due to fears that it could led to congestion and pollution on the arterial Link and S V roads.
Based on the public’s response, MMRDA officials had planned to hold a public meeting on the third Metro line in February. However, this may be called off in the absence of objections. The plan for the third Metro line was kept in BKC and other places, but few turned up to peruse it.



Route: Colaba-Bandra-Airport-Seepz (Andheri) Length 33 km Total No of stations 27 Proposed period for implementation 2012-18 Estimated project cost 18,000 crore The underground Metro will connect business districts such as Nariman Point, Bandra-Kurla Complex, Andheri MIDC, Seepz and international airport

Well, i am thinking where will they find the space big enough to lower TBMs and digging for it. I guess Oval maidan is the only option in SoBo

Source: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/development-body-in-talks-with-csia/899608/


The MMRDA is currently in talks with the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA) to fund the metro corridor and is expecting their team to arrive in Mumbai within the next two months for the next round of discussions. “The social impact and economic impact assessment studies are also underway and we expect to have the details before the JICA team's visit,” the official said.



Hope they have a plan B for line 2 with underground option and check with JICA for funding possibilities, when they discuss Line 3. It doesnt help to wait infinitely to make something almost impossible to possible. Hope they dont waste time anymore.

What pleasure do they derive out of proving that they can build a metro in narrow alleys with thousands of people around in the construction sites and on busy flyovers and railway lines with advanced technologies in limited space and time.

Indian Oil Jn station, Andheri W

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/1353/imag0069ww.jpg

Clicked today

http://i.imgur.com/It3M2.jpg

^^ Massive!!

Clicked today

http://i.imgur.com/It3M2.jpg

Why the area under the flyover cordoned with walls? Whats underneath that section?

Weird structure I have ever seen. Is this Mumbai? If they have to build a flyover with columns so close and eventually cordon the underneath area with wall, then why build a bridge in first place?

They could have just erected the walls on the surface road.

Make sense, when FDI businesses find India out of touch with facts and reality, no wonder Ana Hasare went on anti-corruption agitation.

What a weird structure.

^^seriously!!!! there is like a pillar every 5 m or so!!! :bash: What a collossal waste of concrete,money and time!

^^

The place under flyover was supposedly used for creation of Commercial Space / Mall / Car Parking etc.

Hiranandani Construction was given the contract.... but then no news of what happened after that....

check this link for mare details http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_hiranandani-wins-a-deal-down-under_1054655

Alignment of line 3 from MMRDA's website (http://www.mmrdamumbai.org/userfiles/file/station%20box%20Model%20(1).pdf):
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/7568/25617891.jpg


This closely matches with the alignment that has been posted before on the forums (also on the 1st page for easy reference).

..And this PDF (http://www.mmrdamumbai.org/userfiles/file/station_list_Colaba_-_SEEPZ.pdf) has a list of all the station names and their locations :

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4462/33510701.png


The first two posts on this thread coupled with these 2 uploads are definitely positive indicators of how serious the MMRDA has finally become with implementing this line.

^^seriously!!!! there is like a pillar every 5 m or so!!! :bash: What a collossal waste of concrete,money and time!
It was meant to be a Shopping Complex when built.
I think they can try and integrate it with the Metro station, no?

Clicked today

http://i.imgur.com/It3M2.jpg

Two cables in place already. As an aside, it seems like the pace has slowed down? I hope not.

Two cables in place already. As an aside, it seems like the pace has slowed down? I hope not.
Are they doing it from both sides, or only one?

Work going on both sides.

Btw some more rakes have arrived,saw today at yard near reay road station,couldnt take pics as I was in train.It a favorite place for spotting rakes,construction equipment imported through port.

Work going on both sides.

Btw some more rakes have arrived,saw today at yard near reay road station,couldnt take pics as I was in train.It a favorite place for spotting rakes,construction equipment imported through port.
Great news.

It definitely is Mumbai - chakala flyover to be precise.when the bridge was built first the pillars werent there and the space was more or less used like a makeshift parking space sometimes even encroached upon.Later as pointed out it was given to Hiranandani for some commercial dev;think they did something which later fizzled out and now the walls have come up to probably protect whats inside.All said and done its a royal mess.

MMRDA gets only one letter from public over third Metro corridor

Express news service : Mumbai, Tue Jan 17 2012, 03:11 hrs

The lone letter sent by Nitin Killawala, director at Group Seven Architects & Planners, has suggested in combining the Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd line and the Colaba-Bandra-Seepz line into Charkop-Bandra-Cuffe Parade underground corridor with a metro yard at either Charkop or Borivali.

The letter suggests the connection onward from Dharavi to Seepz be taken up as an underground extension, having loop from Dharavi, BKC, the domestic and international airports to Seepz and further extended to JVLR and Goregaon. The letter, further, suggests an underground extension from BKC towards Mankhurd.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/MMRDA-gets-only-one-letter-from-public-over-third-Metro-corridor/900443/

MMRDA gets only one letter from public over third Metro corridor

Express news service : Mumbai, Tue Jan 17 2012, 03:11 hrs

The lone letter sent by Nitin Killawala, director at Group Seven Architects & Planners, has suggested in combining the Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd line and the Colaba-Bandra-Seepz line into Charkop-Bandra-Cuffe Parade underground corridor with a metro yard at either Charkop or Borivali.

The letter suggests the connection onward from Dharavi to Seepz be taken up as an underground extension, having loop from Dharavi, BKC, the domestic and international airports to Seepz and further extended to JVLR and Goregaon. The letter, further, suggests an underground extension from BKC towards Mankhurd.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/MMRDA-gets-only-one-letter-from-public-over-third-Metro-corridor/900443/
Interesting.
It definitely is Mumbai - chakala flyover to be precise.when the bridge was built first the pillars werent there and the space was more or less used like a makeshift parking space sometimes even encroached upon.Later as pointed out it was given to Hiranandani for some commercial dev;think they did something which later fizzled out and now the walls have come up to probably protect whats inside.All said and done its a royal mess.

You mean Andheri flyover.
Known more popularily as the JOG flyover.

Interesting.



well just now I sent a letter to MMRDA to extend this corridor-3 from SEEPZ to Kanjurmarg :) and integrate it with CR station.

well just now I sent a letter to MMRDA to extend this corridor-3 from SEEPZ to Kanjurmarg :) and integrate it with CR station.
Let's hope our 'democratic' government listens to the citizens.

well just now I sent a letter to MMRDA to extend this corridor-3 from SEEPZ to Kanjurmarg :) and integrate it with CR station.

That makes so much sense. In fact, IIRC the original plan for the Colaba Bandra line was to extend it to Kanjurmarg via the airport. That would give a direct connection for folks travelling from Thane and beyond, to SEEPZ, Airport, BKC, Worli, and massively impact ridership, I would think. Its a big surprise to me that they're stopping at Seepz. Hopefully they will at least leave the option of extension to Kanjurmarg open.

Jog flyover was infamous. Jog eng built the entire bridge and for the last center span at crossroad he started dealing with the govt. govt has promised something but didnt fulfill. so everyday harassed commuters used to watch the entire bridge done, but the last part pending. it was frustrating

Mumbaikars were so happy to see the bridge that they didnt care if it has colors or not and how many pillars it has

andheri is mini india. on one side is juhu where film stars exist and on other side is seepz, one of the first IT areas in india. between the 2 exists mess which has remained more or less the same in for 20 years. it takes the same time to reach 2 ends of this place as much it would take to reach pune



Interesting.


You mean Andheri flyover.
Known more popularily as the JOG flyover.

Jog flyover was infamous. Jog eng built the entire bridge and for the last center span at crossroad he started dealing with the govt. govt has promised something but didnt fulfill. so everyday harassed commuters used to watch the entire bridge done, but the last part pending. it was frustrating

Mumbaikars were so happy to see the bridge that they didnt care if it has colors or not and how many pillars it has

andheri is mini india. on one side is juhu where film stars exist and on other side is seepz, one of the first IT areas in india. between the 2 exists mess which has remained more or less the same in for 20 years. it takes the same time to reach 2 ends of this place as much it would take to reach pune
You forgot that Andheri also houses the International Airport.

well just now I sent a letter to MMRDA to extend this corridor-3 from SEEPZ to Kanjurmarg :) and integrate it with CR station.

Great. In fact if you had circulated this on this forum, a lot of us would have helped co-sign and add support to it. Good initiative @anujkb.

Great. In fact if you had circulated this on this forum, a lot of us would have helped co-sign and add support to it. Good initiative @anujkb.
We should really create a petition.
Or Blackmail MMRDA.

Probably they will do it as an extension later. It is in their master plan.

cross posting from Mumbai - Roads - Flyovers - Freeways thread.

Freeway to use metro land-fill

Sharad Vyas & Chittaranjan Tembhekar | TNN

The state government’s ambitious coastal freeway project along the western waterfront will require at least 5,00,000 cubic metres (cum) per kilometre of muck to reclaim land required for the project. Of the 35.6-km coastal freeway, anywhere between 10 km and 18 km of the stretch will have to be constructed by reclaiming in the sea and mangrove, depending on the option the government chooses. The joint technical committee has suggested that the land-fill material be procured out of the Metro Line 3. According to the panel report, about 55,00,000 cum of muck will be made available by way of excavation that will be carried out while building an underground tunnel proposed for the Metro Line 3 in the Island City.

“By considering that about 100 m of width for reclamation for road, open spaces and 5 m height for such reclamation, and taking into account the length of reclamation, the land-fill quantity for the metro tunnel could be usefully employed for construction of coastal road,” the committee report said.

The committee acknowledged that building the coastal road by of reclamation along the mangrove would be a better option, though not necessarily cost-effective. Moreover, world over, the use of land fill in reclaiming land and building roads on it has been used extensively. “Large areas have been reclaimed not only for road infrastructure but even real estate. This reclamation has only provided for open and green space by obliterating its use commercially,” the report said.

However, environmentalists caution against the move to dump heavy quantity of silt into coastal ecology and recent global trend shows that countries world over are getting rid of highways and coastal roads. “There will be hurdles to the tidal movement. In such restricted scenario, it will become difficult for mangroves and marine animals to survive. On the contrary, such areas will become the breeding grounds for mosquitoes,” said environmentalist Rishi Agarwal.

Senior transport expert and a social worker Ajit Shenoy said there was nothing wrong in creating a coastal road but it should serve Mumbai in decongesting traffic and population.

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^^ LEt them start work on Line 2, we'll see about Line 3.

^^ LEt them start work on Line 2, we'll see about Line 3.

The way things are moving I think line 3 will get going first rather than line 2.....too many obstructions in the way of line 2.

The way things are moving I think line 3 will get going first rather than line 2.....too many obstructions in the way of line 2.
I see.
Has Line 3 been awarded yet?

I see.
Has Line 3 been awarded yet?

I heard Govt. will do it on its own no PPP in line 3

I see.
Has Line 3 been awarded yet?

Govt of Maha is in talks with Japanese Govt for loans. Contract not awarded yet.

I heard Govt. will do it on its own no PPP in line 3
Isn't GoMH a debt-ridden govt?

Govt of Maha is in talks with Japanese Govt for loans. Contract not awarded yet.
Is the construction model decided yet?

The last i heard it was that it was unviable PPPwise, with it's sheer construction costs. Add to it the huge VGF ! Is that the reason they are in discussions with Japanese banks, and plan to do it the Delhi Metro way?

^^
For Metro-3, MMRDA is banking on around Rs 11,500 crore worth of funds from the Japan International Cooperation Agency.

Links to news on the above :
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2012/jan/070112-Underground-Metro-may-link-SoBo-to-airport.htm

http://www.mumbai-metro.com/business-and-jobs/8355/jica-to-fund-2-26-bn-mumbai-metro-line-3

^^
For Metro-3, MMRDA is banking on around Rs 11,500 crore worth of funds from the Japan International Cooperation Agency.

Links to news on the above :
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2012/jan/070112-Underground-Metro-may-link-SoBo-to-airport.htm

http://www.mumbai-metro.com/business-and-jobs/8355/jica-to-fund-2-26-bn-mumbai-metro-line-3
Woah. 11500cr!

Line 3 is DMRC model. MMRDA is talking to JICA in the role of executing agency. The debt will be taken by GoI, similar to Delhi, Chennai, Bangalore. GoI will on-lend it to MMRDA for execution.

There is no hope for Line 2 in PPP model, if the centre is adamant of 40% viability gap funding. Eventually, it may be done in DMRC model.

Metro bridge from flyover. little jerky video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnalebGcAGM

Metro bridge from flyover. little jerky video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnalebGcAGM
Whoa! They seem to be closing in really fast. Up on 2 lanes already.. :banana:

@fuwad: Thanks for the Info.

Source: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Hospital-relents--MMRDA-to-raze-wall-for-Metro-corridor/901388/

After months of negotiations, the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) has finally convinced Sarvodaya Hospital in Ghatkopar to allow temporary demolition of its boundary wall for the first Metro corridor.

The construction of the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar Metro line requires one pier to be erected on the hospital premises. The Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd, the consortium building the elevated Metro corridor, also needs about 200 to 300 metres of land belonging to the hospital trust on a temporary basis for the launching of girders and movement of machinery.

“We had several discussions with the hospital trust and they have agreed to give us the space to construct one pier and allow the temporary demolition of the compound wall,” an MMRDA official said. “The work of demolition of the boundary wall has started.”

The trust has also permitted the MMRDA to use a part of its land on a temporary basis for the construction work. “With this, a major and last hurdle has been cleared,” the official said.

The MMRDA aims to complete the 11-km Metro corridor, the construction of which started in 2008, by the end of this year.

Land acquisition issues at the Sarvodaya Hospital and Maheshwar temple on the Andheri-Ghatkopar Link Road were hindering the construction of the corridor.

Last month, the urban development department issued a notification stating it was necessary to acquire a plot on the temple premises in Asalfa to complete the widening of the Andheri-Ghatkopar Link Road. The land is crucial for the construction of a Metro station in Asalfa.

The Sarvodaya Hospital trust was demanding an MoU on the pending compensation issue related to the land acquisition for the expansion work on the link road.

“We are still working on the MoU. There would be no need for compensation for the temporary acquisition of land for the construction work as we will reconstruct their boundary wall,” the MMRDA official said. “For the pier, whatever little is required, the MMRDA will compensate the trust accordingly.”

Source: http://www.mid-day.com/news/2012/jan/190112-Temple-wall-to-make-way-for-Metro-pillar.htm

State has issued notification for acquisition of Maheshwar Temple plot in Asalpha area that had been acting as a roadblock for the completion of VAG corridor

The issue of acquisition of a 310 sq m plot of Maheshwar Temple in Asalpha area at Ghatkopar that had been acting as a hurdle for the completion of Phase I of the Metro rail project -- Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar (VAG) corridor -- is likely to be resolved by January-end.

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Deconstruct: Last year, MMRDA officials had visited the temple for
razing its compound wall, so that a pillar could be constructed adjacent to
the holy edifice. Pic/Sameer Markande

A senior MMRDA official said, "The government has already issued a notification for acquisition of the 310 sq m plot of Maheshwar Temple in Asalpha area. Now, as the notification is out, we expect to acquire the plot by end of this month, following which construction at the site will commence in full swing."

The state initiated the process of land acquisition after talks between MMRDA and temple authorities failed. "We will require the space adjacent to the mandir for the construction of Asalpha station," said the official.
In March 2011, MMRDA officials had visited the temple for razing its compound wall, so that a pillar could be constructed adjacent to the holy edifice. However, the temple authorities joined hands with the locals and opposed the move.

Fact file
Mumbai Metro One Private Limited (MMOPL) along with MMRDA is constructing the 11.07-km long VAG corridor.
According to the sources, the VAG corridor is already behind schedule and MMRDA has said that it will be completing the project by the year-end.

Good. Hopefully, all the civil work can now be completed by December.

Spot the metro work!!!

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The pillar in the railway property is ready

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Railway bridge

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^^ Nice Pics CG. Hope the bridge happens soon....

Nice pics. :cheers:
The construction site is so busy

What an old school looking bridge. Kinda like it! Reminds me of some of the old bridges in NJ/NY.

WOW!!! Looking good. Now I'm confident about viaduct being completed by November.

Thanks CG, fuwad and others for your efforts.

But, the more I see these pics, the more I get angry . The consultant and MMRDA really screwed up the city.

I am really happy that Line 3 is made completely underground and moving fast. Hope the same wisdom prevails for Line 2 and all other future lines within BMC limits.

Afterall, they have to understand that Bombay doesnt need extensive network of hundreds of kms. It is a packed city.

^^ It's not the MMRDA that screwed up. It's the lack of coordination our govt agencies show that screwed up. MMRDA/BMC/MSRDC/IR/AAI all screwed up and delayed metro projects across the country.

Spot the metro work!!!

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The pillar in the railway property is ready



they find a way to continue with their business after all. Lol.

^^ It's not the MMRDA that screwed up. It's the lack of coordination our govt agencies show that screwed up. MMRDA/BMC/MSRDC/IR/AAI all screwed up and delayed metro projects across the country.

I was talking about planning, not delays. They competely made that part of JP road useless (even after construction, it woud remain so). I would actually congratulate them for fast execution under difficult conditions because it is only the IR, a central Govt body, which didnt corordinate. Even a school boy will say that they cannot acquire those properties for construction.

While there was a congestion mainly due to vehicular traffic there, it was never this bad and pedestrians could board the bus or rick at the station itself. With addition of huge pedestrian traffic and feeder vehicles traffic after Metro construction, that area will remain like that. They cannot build underground tunnels to divert the pedestrian traffic and make the road free of chaos.

It would be even worse for WEH station, when it starts operations. We are talking about 7 lakh ridership here unlike other places where the density is less.

I was talking about planning, not delays. They competely made that part of JP road useless (even after construction, it woud remain so). I would actually congratulate them for fast execution under difficult conditions because it is only the IR, a central Govt body, which didnt corordinate. Even a school boy will say that they cannot acquire those properties for construction.

While there was a congestion mainly due to vehicular traffic there, it was never this bad and pedestrians could board the bus or rick at the station itself. With addition of huge pedestrian traffic and feeder vehicles traffic after Metro construction, that area will remain like that. They cannot build underground tunnels to divert the pedestrian traffic and make the road free of chaos.

It would be even worse for WEH station, when it starts operations. We are talking about 7 lakh ridership here unlike other places where the density is less.
We'll have to see.
Our govt bodies are known for screwing up in planning due to corruption.
And they'll plan, wait ten years before permission. Not do it immediately.

Sakinaka station has progressed a lot since the last time I saw

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^^ Are they building regular viaducts inside the station?

^^ Are they building regular viaducts inside the station?

Except for asalpha and ghatkopar station, all other stations are built around precast viaducts

thanks for the pic CG

my god the metro is so close to those structures and its an accident waiting to happen.


they should have not gone for this route first up and simply connected Bandra to kurla via BKC. Atleast there was decent space there.

what are they going to do with the buildings that are close to the metro construction?

what are they going to do with the buildings that are close to the metro construction?

you know the pics you quoted just now dude, those buildings are not even new.

they looks extremely old based on the tiles on the roof.


I just hope that they dont fall down due to resonance and care is taken to ensure that that even if the train derails it does not fall.


Dont know if the looked at JJ flyover and decided it was ok to build it so close to old buildings.


again i am not an expert on these things but this really freaks me out.

Well I was thinking it would be easier quicker to construct the track if buildings aren't there.

you know the pics you quoted just now dude, those buildings are not even new.

they looks extremely old based on the tiles on the roof.


I just hope that they dont fall down due to resonance and care is taken to ensure that that even if the train derails it does not fall.


Dont know if the looked at JJ flyover and decided it was ok to build it so close to old buildings.


again i am not an expert on these things but this really freaks me out.

those buildings near the saki naka station are not too old..they are chawls,makeshift structures with asbestos tiling..dont think they will fall due to resonance but yes a derailment will destroy it completely.They house shops mostly but yes some families do live there, in the upper level.the entire sakinaka stretch is dotted with these chawl shops,the good part is that these people are used to chaos so the metro will actually shield them from the traffic din ,the bad part is that they will probably see a lot of business loss.

you know the pics you quoted just now dude, those buildings are not even new.

they looks extremely old based on the tiles on the roof.


I just hope that they dont fall down due to resonance and care is taken to ensure that that even if the train derails it does not fall.


Dont know if the looked at JJ flyover and decided it was ok to build it so close to old buildings.


again i am not an expert on these things but this really freaks me out.
Won't collapse that easily.
Relax.

As i upload this pic third set of cables are being installed
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Awe !!!

Marvellous.

thanks for the pic CG



they should have not gone for this route first up and simply connected Bandra to kurla via BKC. Atleast there was decent space there.

You are talking only about BKC. Have you seen Bandra E near station? It is worse than Andheri. I dont think Kurla station area would be any different as SCLR is struggling there for a long time now.

Utility wise, VAG is the best line - as the ridership per km would be the highest in this line. The expected ridership for Line 1 (11 km) is 7 lakhs and Line 2(32 km) is 14 lakhs, as per Reliance presentation shared by IU.

Line 1 is possible in PPP mode without signficant commercial exploitation because of high ridership and short average distance of around 4 to 5 km expected to be traveleld by a passenger. The shorter the distance travelled, the higher the fare per km and the profits for operator. It is not possible to replicate this anywhere else in Mumbai , leave alone other cities.

Reliance had asked for significant commercial exploitation above stations for Line 2 to make it viable (in addition to viability gap funding). However, the commercial expoitation is not feasible, as they have to acquire private land to construct staircases to third floor directly as the building laws dont allow the same entry/exit for station and shopping areas during emergency.

You are talking only about BKC. Have you seen Bandra E near station? It is worse than Andheri. I dont think Kurla station area would be any different as SCLR is struggling there for a long time now.

Utility wise, VAG is the best line - as the ridership per km would be the highest in this line. The expected ridership for Line 1 (11 km) is 7 lakhs and Line 2(32 km) is 14 lakhs, as per Reliance presentation shared by IU.

Line 1 is possible in PPP mode without signficant commercial exploitation because of high ridership and short average distance of around 4 to 5 km expected to be traveleld by a passenger. The shorter the distance travelled, the higher the fare per km and the profits for operator. It is not possible to replicate this anywhere else in Mumbai , leave alone other cities.

Reliance had asked for significant commercial exploitation above stations for Line 2 to make it viable (in addition to viability gap funding). However, the commercial expoitation is not feasible, as they have to acquire private land to construct staircases to third floor directly as the building laws dont allow the same entry/exit for station and shopping areas during emergency.
The core advantage of VAG is the East West connectivity. It takes two hours to go from Andheri to Mulund in an AS422 via JVLR. When the metro is done. Train to Ghatkopar, and train or bus from Ghatkopar. You'll reach Mulund/Thane in a jiffy.

^^
Yes definitely . But Andheri E has become the largest commerzial zone in the city in the last 3-4 years, with about 25% of total office space in MMR. There is a Grade-A office building every nook and corner and galli. Real estate consultant JLL has opened a separte office in Andheri to cater to the requirements in the area. All the industrial units in Marol will cash in on the opportunity after Metro.

The advantages for office-goers in Andheri outweigh the E_W connectivity now, though both would contribute to the ridership of this line.

^^
Yes definitely . But Andheri E has become the largest commerzial zone in the city in the last 3-4 years, with about 25% of total office space in MMR. There is a Grade-A office building every nook and corner and galli. Real estate consultant JLL has opened a separte office in Andheri to cater to the requirements in the area. All the industrial units in Marol will cash in on the opportunity after Metro.

The advantages for office-goers in Andheri outweigh the E_W connectivity now, though both would contribute to the ridership of this line.
And this commercial zone shall benefit when BEST links up with MMOPL stations.

Just to add if the VAG line does prove to be so popular, i am guessing most resource intensive companies would prefer to shift to powai-vikhroli-ghatkopar belt where real estate is cheaper compared to Andheri. not to imply that there would be complete exodus but small medium offices would have an option of Ghatkopar as a possible location in addition to Andheri, which had primacy only because if its connectivity to Central-Western locations.

^^
Yes definitely . But Andheri E has become the largest commerzial zone in the city in the last 3-4 years, with about 25% of total office space in MMR. There is a Grade-A office building every nook and corner and galli. Real estate consultant JLL has opened a separte office in Andheri to cater to the requirements in the area. All the industrial units in Marol will cash in on the opportunity after Metro.

The advantages for office-goers in Andheri outweigh the E_W connectivity now, though both would contribute to the ridership of this line.

In news (TOI) today....

After Hindustan Unilever, Johnson & Johnson planning to shifts to Powai (Andheri).

Almost a year after Hindustan Unilever relocated to Andheri (E),another corporate biggie has plans to relocate to the suburbs.
Healthcare major Johnson & Johnson (J&J ) is in talks with leading developer Hiranandani Constructions to lease approximately over 3 lakh sq ft of space for their corporate headquarters in Powai.Currently,the company operates from its 1 lakh-sq-ft office complex on Forjett Street in Tardeo.While a deal has not yet been formally sealed,the firm has agreed for rentals rates for approximately over Rs 30 crore a month or Rs 100 per sq ft.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Healthcare-major-may-shift-to-suburbs/articleshow/11585409.cms

you know the pics you quoted just now dude, those buildings are not even new.

they looks extremely old based on the tiles on the roof.


I just hope that they dont fall down due to resonance and care is taken to ensure that that even if the train derails it does not fall.


Dont know if the looked at JJ flyover and decided it was ok to build it so close to old buildings.


again i am not an expert on these things but this really freaks me out.

those bldgs are atleast 80 years old. On many bldgs u can see marks of 1927, 1917, 1932 etc. But they wont fall due to resonance. Dont worry. Its surprising that you speak this way, like a child.

If train derails then it will simply derail inside the viaduct. If its travelling at a high speed (50+ kmph) then piling up of bogies on one another will take place. then there is chance of collapse. But this wont happen since the speed wont be >20kmph since andheri MRT station is just across the WR. All this will happen only if the tracks are improper. Chances that this will happen is very very rare. no sabotages can happen. I think tracks maybe welded (not sure)? You could have thought of derailment occuring right on WR, that would have been more dreadful.

Just to add if the VAG line does prove to be so popular, i am guessing most resource intensive companies would prefer to shift to powai-vikhroli-ghatkopar belt where real estate is cheaper compared to Andheri. not to imply that there would be complete exodus but small medium offices would have an option of Ghatkopar as a possible location in addition to Andheri, which had primacy only because if its connectivity to Central-Western locations.

Powai is already exhausted and the rates there are just a tad lower than Andheri. Andheri is not very expensive as you may think (except for Andheri W and areas close to WEH). The prices came down and helped the area a lot. Unlike residential segment, the builders dont wait in case of commercial properties as they can make money by leasing it asap with a rental negotiation clause after 3 years.

IMO, the next wave of commercialisation will be in Vikhroli and Borivli. But before that they have to exhaust the huge stock, both existing and in pipeline in Andheri, Lower Parel and Malad.

when is the phase I going to be opened ?

Residents for Metro III diversion

Chittaranjan Tembhekar, TNN | Jan 25, 2012, 02.46AM IST

MUMBAI: Enthused by the support of Mumbaikars to the proposed 34-km underground Metro line between Colaba and SEEPZ in Andheri via Bandra, hundreds of western suburb residents have demanded diversion of the underground route from Bandra up to Charkop, instead of the proposed elevated route.

The demand to the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) has the support of 33 residents' forums, which questioned the discrimination between the island city and suburbs in offering eco-friendly underground routes.

"Why can't the Bandra-Andheri route of Metro III be diverted towards Charkop, and another underground route between Bandra and Bangur Nagar via Kalina, JVLR, SEEPZ Andheri, Aarey and Goregaon be created? It will have more ridership and better space for development," the associations from Bandra, Juhu, Khar, Vile Parle and Andheri said.

The Bandra-Charkop section is part of the contracted second Metro line between Charkop and Mankhurd, whereas the Colaba-Bandra-Andheri underground line is yet to be contracted.

Some forums have taken up a legal battle against the proposed elevated track between Charkop and Mankhurd via Bandra, which they say will occupy space on S V Road, Link Road, the western express highway and at the Bandra-Kurla Complex, besides leading to congestion and pollution.

"The underground route helps avoid railway permission. Crossing highways, high-tension electricity wires, waiting for environment permission, the civil aviation ministry's nod, traffic congestion during construction work, destruction of trees, and sound and dust pollution can be avoided," said Sherley Singh of Save My Suburbs, which has the support of 31 forums.

Hansel D'Souza of the Mumbai Nagrik Manch congratulated MMRDA for proposing the first totally underground route but said it must be integrated with the Bandra-Charkop section to avoid congestion and pollution during and after construction, due to the proposed elevated route under Metro II.

"If we give a continuous underground Metro from Colaba to the far end of the western suburbs, it will be the city's 'spine' and prove to be a boon for decongestion. Since the Bandra-Charkop route of Metro II and Bandra-Airport-Andheri route of Metro III will become closely parallel, the proposed Bandra-Andheri section can be diverted via Kalina, Marol, SEEPZ, JVLR, Aarey and then Goregaon and Bangur Nagar to create a new route," he suggested.

Singh, on behalf of the Juhu Scheme Residents' Association, termed the experience of building an elevated Metro route between Versova and Ghatkopar via Andheri as 'disastrous' and requested the authorities not to repeat it. "The alignment will resolve environmental and traffic issues and the space crunch for building car depots and casting yards for both Metro lines, as Kalina, Aarey and Charkop can offer better space," she said.

An MMRDA official said, "If we change the route, we will have to do a fresh feasibility study. The cost will be thrice and it will lead to delays. But we will look into residents' suggestions."

MMRDA has contracted the 32-km Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd Metro II to Reliance Infrastructure, but work is yet to commence as it is awaiting environmental permission for land for the car depot and approval to use the Centre's land for the casting yard.

"If we change the elevated route between Bandra-Charkop to underground, we will have to do a fresh feasibility study. New plots will be needed too and the cost will be thrice. New proposals will take time for state and central clearance and thus delay the project. But we will look into the residents' suggestions," the official said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Residents-for-Metro-III-diversion/articleshow/11622303.cms

Pre cast side walls being hoisted and attached (circled in the first pic) to the viaduct near Navrang cinema Andheri west.

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^^ Few of the resident groups are looking for just short terms gains. Metro on Bandra W- Andheri W route is very important. Diverting it to east will not help the congestion in the densely populated region. They should stick to the underground demand for the route

Residents for Metro III diversion

"If we change the elevated route between Bandra-Charkop to underground, we will have to do a fresh feasibility study. New plots will be needed too and the cost will be thrice. New proposals will take time for state and central clearance and thus delay the project. But we will look into the residents' suggestions," the official said.



MMRDA is saying this since 2008. As if the elevated line is going at lightning speed. Hope they dont repeat the same comment in 2015 while they are waiting for approvals from AAI, Railways, BMC (for fire safety and shifting of electric transmission lines) and probably environmental ministry. Line 3 is going faster than Line 2 because it is made completely underground

The current routes selected by MMRDA is pretty much perfect. It would be better to connect western suburbs with BKC,Chembur and possibly Vashi at later stage rather than Colaba which is already connected by suburban line. Many still have a perception that the jobs are in Nariman Point though they themselves work in the suburbs and BKC. Probably because of the perception created by media.

^^ Few of the resident groups are looking for just short terms gains. Metro on Bandra W- Andheri W route is very important. Diverting it to east will not help the congestion in the densely populated region.


Agree. Who the hell would want to travel from Mahim to Bangur Nagar via an unguided tour of the entire east side of the suburbs?

Ideally, there should be a separate line from Charkop / Dahisar that passes important points on Link Road / SV Road, and joins Line 3 at BKC. Folks looking to go east can change over to Line 1 at Andheri / DN nagar.

BKC - Mankhurd would be another "extension" but really this serves almost no purpose unless they take it over Vashi creek. They should probably just build the Dahisar-BKC link and push the Mankhurd one on the backburner until they can connect it to Navi Mumbai

Many still have a perception that the jobs are in Nariman Point though they themselves work in the suburbs and BKC. Probably because of the perception created by media.

This is so true. Actually, only PSUs work in town anymore, apart from a smattering of bank bigwigs who'll take the Metro over their dead body.

Having said that, connectivity to the offices springing up in the Lower Parel / Mahalakshmi area is important. Actually, the line probably wouldn't lose that much even if it terminated somewhere there rather than go all the way to Colaba

Its actually whimsical of anyone to even think that the route should pass from the east...It will be a disaster as the already cattle like density of people in the west side of the suburbs will be inconvenienced further...if nothing else, the majority of the potential ridership will just not opt to take the metro...imagine commuting half an hour to take the metro for another one hour ride to the workplace

our ex chief minister had also made a similar statement saying all future metro lines will be aligned on the highways to avoid problems during construction

Here is the Pic..

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wow

thnx

^^
wow! Looking ready to cross over the Jog Flyover. Matter of time before the two ends meet.

Source: http://www.spanishrailwaysnews.com/noticias.asp?not=187&cs=home


Prointec has been awarded four new projects in India for the amount of €5.3 million, two of which are railway projects: the construction of Line 2 of Mumbai Metro in conjunction with Ineco and the prefeasibility study for the high-speed Haldia-Howrah corridor in conjunction with Ayesa and Ineco.

(25/01/2012) The term of the contract for the construction of Line 2 of Mumbai Metro is five years and works are scheduled to start this year, after the monsoon. Mumbai is India’s most populous city and the second most populous in the world.

The contract for the prefeasibility study for the high-speed Haldia-Howrah corridor, in the state of West Bengal, includes studies of demand, layout and rolling stock proposals and preliminary cost estimates, all of which will determine if the project is technical and financially feasible.

Founded in 1970, Prointec develops its activity in the fields of engineering, architecture and technology and also provides consulting services in the areas of infrastructure development, urban planning and environmental review. It is present in twenty countries on a permanent basis.

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good news, did not know that work on the line 2 is getting started.

good news, did not know that work on the line 2 is getting started.

no one knows excepts for this spanish news people.... :nuts:

That's just old recycled news from exactly a year ago to the date-

Jan 31 2011: MMRC signs agreement for Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd Metro (http://www.indiainfoline.com/Markets/News/MMRC-signs-agreement-for-Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd-Metro/5068651973)

The Mumbai Metro Rail Corporation Limited (MMRC) has signed the contract agreement with Independent Engineer, a joint venture company consisting of Ineco (Spain), Prointec (Spain) & Feedback Venture Private Limited for the Metro Line – II i.e Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd Corridor on January 28, 2011. Topography survey and geo-technical investigations have been completed for the corridor and works are expected to commence from April, 2011.

Hunt on for experts to handle state’s Metro projects

Sanjeev Shivadekar, TNN | Jan 29, 2012, 02.25AM IST

MUMBAI: The Maharashtra government has begun its hunt for an expert to take care of Metro rail projects in Mumbai and other metropolis in the state.

Recently at a meeting with urban development (UD) officials, chief minister Prithviraj Chavan directed UD officials to look for expertise for Metro projects, rather relying on bureaucrats for monitoring such important projects.

"Chavan told UD officials that bureaucrats get transferred on completion of their tenure and such changes in administration may affect crucial projects. He is of the opinion that Metro rail project should have a person who has knowledge of the projects," said a senior Mantralaya official who attended the meeting , chaired by Chavan, in Vidhan Bhavan. TC Benjamin and Manu Kumar Srivastava, both principal secretaries of the UD department, were present.

In order to ensure that projects are executed on time, Chavan hinted that UD officials should look out for someone like E Sreedharan, former managing director of Delhi Metro Rail Corporation, the official said. "Chavan feels that appointing an expert would help the state to resolve issues such as delay in execution and safety of the Metro rail," the Mantralaya official added.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Hunt-on-for-experts-to-handle-states-Metro-projects/articleshow/11668306.cms

Source: http://www.spanishrailwaysnews.com/noticias.asp?not=187&cs=home

Contracts awarded. Case still ON regarding JVPD Underground/Elevated. Both Depots in CRZ Area. :ohno:

^^ JVPD is a non-issue. There are more serious issues, which make it a non-starter .Commercial exploitation, Juhu runway and the electric transmission lines qualify to be the most serious among a dozen issues faced by the elevated line . CRZ is not a big issue; they can find alternate space, if they deviate the alignment or extend the line. It is just an excuse, because they dont know what to do with all the other issues. If they can find land for depot in Versova, it is not a big deal to find one in Kandivili, Borivili or Dahisar. You can go through Reliance Infra's presentation posted by IU, few days back.

^^ JVPD is a non-issue. There are more serious issues, which make it a non-starter .Commercial exploitation, Juhu runway and the electric transmission lines qualify to be the most serious among a dozen issues faced by the elevated line . CRZ is not a big issue; they can find alternate space, if they deviate the alignment or extend the line. It is just an excuse, because they dont know what to do with all the other issues. If they can find land for depot in Versova, it is not a big deal to find one in Kandivili, Borivili or Dahisar. You can go through Reliance Infra's presentation posted by IU, few days back.


Very true. Its a question of political will to approve the alternate solutions.

Great updates guy!! To all who are keeping this form lively n vibrant
:righton:

Ready for the Forth Cable.. Great Pace of work..

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^^Thanks for update.
Yes pace is good, but actually now that i look at this the clearence of the bridge is very low. Or is it just the angle the pic is taken from.

4m elevation is ok

No the elevation is good enough. Even big trucks easily pass under this!

Cool... howz the bridge over railway lines coming up ... thanks :)

My assumption is that obviously there are certain standards for bridge clearances and they would have constructed it at a height that meets the clearance.

In Europe it's 4m

The Bangalore Metro FOB, Viaducts maintain atleast 5.5m of elevation. Guess that is the norm in India :dunno:

Metro Work in Progress - Andheri West, JP Road.

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Metro pillar u/c near Masjid Galli.
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No room between shops and the pillar.
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Man putting water on the pillar for curing.
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Andheri W Metro Work in Progress - Andheri West, JP Road.

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My assumption is that obviously there are certain standards for bridge clearances and they would have constructed it at a height that meets the clearance.

7 metres.

Minimum height clearance for indian highways is 5.5 m.

Andheri W Metro Work in Progress - Andheri West, JP Road.

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Andheri W Metro Work in Progress - Andheri West, JP Road.

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Metro Work in Progress - Near Andheri East Station

Metro station Andheri East.
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Metro Rail Bridge U/C

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Metro Rail Bridge U/C

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Under the Rail Bridge.
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Cool PIC !!!! Thanks for update...:)

thanks fuwad!

there was a mention in one of the articles that they might use some super heavy duty cranes (not used so far in india) for the bridge across the tracks for quicker execution...are they using those? i doubt railways would have allowed them to be used...

^^
No heavy duty crane at site just the normal one and men doing work the old school way with hammer etc. one can hear loud noise of metal being banged and bolts being put in place at the site.

this video shows a dmrc bridge crossing rail tracks. no steel box here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewi0SQYVi4E

this video shows a dmrc bridge crossing rail tracks. no steel box here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewi0SQYVi4E

Show that to Railways, now a days they are not approving any concrete structure over tracks be it JVLR,SCLR,Dahisar Milan Subway ROB.Only Steel structures

Thank you for the updates Fuwad. The Metro has not even started operations yet, but the pillars are plastered with posters already. These guys should get the inside of their houses plastered with posters.

At some spots clearence between metro pillars and shops is very little. Hopefully once the metro begins all the junk left behind by the metro construction crew will be cleared away immediately.

Show that to Railways, now a days they are not approving any concrete structure over tracks be it JVLR,SCLR,Dahisar Milan Subway ROB.Only Steel structures

That also explains the criminal delays over tracks for jvlr, sclr. But any specific reason? Is it related to the bridge collapse in Thane?

this video shows a dmrc bridge crossing rail tracks. no steel box here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewi0SQYVi4E

Delhi people may not agree, but being a political capital, it is easy to get things done. You can never see a loss making project like airport express approved and completed in such short span of time in any other city. Reliance gets 99% of revenues while it spent only 50% of costs. This doesnt include land costs

It is true in a small scale in other cities too. We may see good roads and infrastructure in areas where the politicians stay while all the other areas are grossly neglected.

OMG! I can't believe the distance between the pillar and the shops in the few pictures of post #6383.

And then we complain about safety and quality to a certain extent. This is how we can achieve everything. Way to go!

Wow, metro pillars right in the middle of the slums.

If we flip back few hundred pages in this forum, people will understand why some of the forummers residing in western burbs/ other parts of Mumbai used to say that elevated line doesnt make sense.

But then there were people who had never seen Mumbai in lifetime, countering every argument putforth. And dismissing the local people's demands as selfish quoting South Delhi and CMH Road examples.

Now the fight is on for Line 2. To be frank, I would be happy without a metro rather than an elevated line spoiling all the areas, it passes through. It would be a big hurdle for lots of infrastructure projects in future.

Show that to Railways, now a days they are not approving any concrete structure over tracks be it JVLR,SCLR,Dahisar Milan Subway ROB.Only Steel structures

That also explains the criminal delays over tracks for jvlr, sclr. But any specific reason? Is it related to the bridge collapse in Thane?

Delhi people may not agree, but being a political capital, it is easy to get things done. You can never see a loss making project like airport express approved and completed in such short span of time in any other city. Reliance gets 99% of revenues while it spent only 50% of costs. This doesnt include land costs

It is true in a small scale in other cities too. We may see good roads and infrastructure in areas where the politicians stay while all the other areas are grossly neglected.

obviously the railways know about it. the question is why couldn't someone from mmrda put this out there. this smacks more of a corver my ass gambit by the railway babus and to hell with aesthetics and new technology.

If we flip back few hundred pages in this forum, people will understand why some of the forummers residing in western burbs/ other parts of Mumbai used to say that elevated line doesnt make sense.

But then there were people who had never seen Mumbai in lifetime, countering every argument putforth. And dismissing the local people's demands as selfish quoting South Delhi and CMH Road examples.

Now the fight is on for Line 2. To be frank, I would be happy without a metro rather than an elevated line spoiling all the areas, it passes through. It would be a big hurdle for lots of infrastructure projects in future.

Honestly, I couldn't agree more. Having an elevated metro coming down neat and tidy Linking Road (or, for that matter, down the Santacruz to Bandra stretch of SV Road) is worse than I can possibly imagine. The long protracted construction process and ghastly structure itself are bound to kill these areas.

I may be new here, but I find it hard to keep quiet about this. You can call those of us to live in these areas selfish and obstructionist. But the truth is if Mumbai is to stand shoulder to shoulder with other great cities of the world like NYC, London, Paris and Tokyo, we have to invest in intelligent long lasting infrastructure like underground metros, better highways etc etc. Patchwork solutions like elevated metros, elevated sea-links (like the ridiculous Versova-Bandra 'Sea Link'!), elevated monorails, flyovers, etc, where we virtually "fly over" the problems and trouble-spots, are NOT solutions.

I have always considered it to be rather idiotic that we always tend to make lines elevated in the country. In a place which is so dense, it absolutely does not make sense. Not only will it look bad, it will also be rather noisy unless they build sound barriers. But if you ask me, underground would have been a far more sustainable, long-term option. Metro's do not really have a great feel anyway if they run above ground.

Honestly, I couldn't agree more. Having an elevated metro coming down neat and tidy Linking Road (or, for that matter, down the Santacruz to Bandra stretch of SV Road) is worse than I can possibly imagine. The long protracted construction process and ghastly structure itself are bound to kill these areas.

I may be new here, but I find it hard to keep quiet about this. You can call those of us to live in these areas selfish and obstructionist. But the truth is if Mumbai is to stand shoulder to shoulder with other great cities of the world like NYC, London, Paris and Tokyo, we have to invest in intelligent long lasting infrastructure like underground metros, better highways etc etc. Patchwork solutions like elevated metros, elevated sea-links (like the ridiculous Versova-Bandra 'Sea Link'!), elevated monorails, flyovers, etc, where we virtually "fly over" the problems and trouble-spots, are NOT solutions.


you are exact, however some more points should you note before commenting-

UG metro is a difficult task in Mumbai, and although not simple as installing a TBM or jackhammer or drift, but other than NATM i dont think UG metro is possible. And NATM is a huge complex thing which takes extra care of water seepage (which will be very very huge). Plus all the soil would be saturated, most rock will be deccan trap basalt which is a nasty thing. Delhi has horrible problem of groundwater for people (hence its easy digging out there). and bangalore has mostly uniform rock.

Anything said, still, considering project delays and cost escalation, land acquisition etc, we can say that UG metro is still more better.

Although now everythings planned, yet my following say on ideal routes of metro::
For MMR and its shape, existing IR lines do the job well for radial traffic, metro routes could have been built more in a circular fashion (versova-ghatkopar-chembur-vashi-nhave, worli-dadar-sewri, dadar-wadala) and some diagonal routes which serve better for people of WR to go to CR and vice versa (like vikroli-bandra, charkop-SEEPZ-kurla, etc).

I think it may have been better to lead line 2 thru jogeshwari, SEEPZ, university, kherwadi, BKC then as per its usual earlier route.

Line 1 & 3 when done would be the best benificiaries of metro.

you are exact, however some more points should you note before commenting-

UG metro is a difficult task in Mumbai, and although not simple as installing a TBM or jackhammer or drift, but other than NATM i dont think UG metro is possible. And NATM is a huge complex thing which takes extra care of water seepage (which will be very very huge). Plus all the soil would be saturated, most rock will be deccan trap basalt which is a nasty thing. Delhi has horrible problem of groundwater for people (hence its easy digging out there). and bangalore has mostly uniform rock.

Anything said, still, considering project delays and cost escalation, land acquisition etc, we can say that UG metro is still more better..

You have answered yourself. There are many tunnels done in Mumbai. Not a rocket science. Better than WEH and WR bridge with 1000 people around the construction site.


Although now everythings planned, yet my following say on ideal routes of metro::
For MMR and its shape, existing IR lines do the job well for radial traffic, metro routes could have been built more in a circular fashion (versova-ghatkopar-chembur-vashi-nhave, worli-dadar-sewri, dadar-wadala) and some diagonal routes which serve better for people of WR to go to CR and vice versa (like vikroli-bandra, charkop-SEEPZ-kurla, etc).

Mumbai's business centres are changed now. Giving direct connectivity to people from dense residential areas to commerical hubs is improtant. As per your plan, a person from Versova will take a metro to Andheri station and then suburban to Bandra and then metro to BKC again. Thsi is true for many areas as suburban lines are away from middle class and upper middle class areas and new mega commercial hubs like BKC and Andheri E. People will prefer roads instead of changing the train 3 times for 10 kms.

Suburban line doesnt cater to the inner city any more. Most of the ridership comes from outer areas.


I think it may have been better to lead line 2 thru jogeshwari, SEEPZ, university, kherwadi, BKC then as per its usual earlier route.

Line 1 & 3 when done would be the best benificiaries of metro.

A huge population of around 40 lakhs to 50 lakhs will be left out without any mass transport option as per this plan.

Line 3 more useful than Line 2?? - People will not simply travel from 1 business hub to another business hub. They start from a residential area, which Line 2 covers. Apart from the office traffic , Line 2 will be useful for huge traffic created by entertainment industry ( I know many people here dont consider that)

Another BIG advantage of underground is effective dispersal system. The traffic density in Mumbai is not comparable to any Indian city. Rather we should emulate NewYork.

The expected ridership in Line 1 is 7 lakhs in the first year of operations, which is likely to increase every year. It means a footfall of 14 lakhs across 11 stations. With that kind of footfalls, the metro stations will be a mini-replica of suburban stations, with people, ricks and buses creating chaos.

An underground system can provide more exits through underground tunnels and disperse the traffic and crowd, For ex: WEH station can have exits and entrances at the northern end of Jog flyover, HUL office junction, CG Road near P&G office, Mahakali caves road near Sai Place hotel and may be even HSBC junction at WEH. This can effectively reduce traffic and crowd at the stations.

Metro is likely to stay for at least 100 years. Should we create chaos again similar to suburban station, given that Mumbai's traffic density is too high?

out of curiosity, what would people think about moving the existing suburban services underground (between borivili & churchgate on WR & thane & CST on CR) and leave the above ground tracks only for long distance and commuter rail (dahanu from WR, beyond Thane on CR). We could potentially reclaim some of the surface area in the city and maybe have a longish park (like High line in NYC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Line_(New_York_City))) or Cheonggyecheon in Seoul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheonggyecheon).

Yup, we had a dicussion on this sometime back. Once the metro network takes the traffic of inner city, the suburban sytem will mainly focus on bringing traffic from far away places into the city. It may be easier to close some lines and take it slowly underground. The long distance trains can be stopped outside the city, freeing up all the space.

But, this may be feasible only after 15-20 years when the city has good metro network of say 200 kms.

If we flip back few hundred pages in this forum, people will understand why some of the forummers residing in western burbs/ other parts of Mumbai used to say that elevated line doesnt make sense.

But then there were people who had never seen Mumbai in lifetime, countering every argument putforth. And dismissing the local people's demands as selfish quoting South Delhi and CMH Road examples.

Now the fight is on for Line 2. To be frank, I would be happy without a metro rather than an elevated line spoiling all the areas, it passes through. It would be a big hurdle for lots of infrastructure projects in future.

I said a similar thing some pages back. The reply that I got was "you along with some SoBos alone are the ones demanding an underground line" :ohno:

UG metro is a difficult task in Mumbai, and although not simple as installing a TBM or jackhammer or drift, but other than NATM i dont think UG metro is possible.

There's always engineering for that and it could be difficult but not something that cannot be done. There are always alternatives and options available (call it Plan B) they could think of or start at a different place if using a TBM is a concern at one particular place. But again, there's always ways around a problem.

out of curiosity, what would people think about moving the existing suburban services underground (between borivili & churchgate on WR & thane & CST on CR) and leave the above ground tracks only for long distance and commuter rail (dahanu from WR, beyond Thane on CR). We could potentially reclaim some of the surface area in the city and maybe have a longish park (like High line in NYC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Line_(New_York_City))) or Cheonggyecheon in Seoul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheonggyecheon).

I was thinking about that, but aren't subway carriages around the world narrower, shorter and smaller than the carriages on the Mumbai Suburban Railways? Wouldn't making the present tracks underground ones only reduce the carrying capacity of the system? Converting the present local rail lines into underground ones would only make sense if they were superfluous to current needs, right? What we need are add-on rail lines like the metro, and THESE should be underground. The present lines are by no means perfect but I think that a radical change like that wouldn't help.

There we go again with the UG. And here i go again. Its technically and financially feasible. we jus dont have a culture of safety and maintenance which is to a greater degree required compared to Elevated - monsoon season.....Financially, we might just burn ourselves building one UG... its so easy for people to talk about TBMs and projects worth thousands of crores as if it just magically appears out of thin air....

Tunnels were built in mumbai for utility purposes, not for mass transit and heavy movement of people on a daily basis. Its only the JVPD junk that is most vocal about the UG. No one gives a SHIT whether the metro is elevated or not...

I was thinking about that, but aren't subway carriages around the world narrower, shorter and smaller than the carriages on the Mumbai Suburban Railways? Wouldn't making the present tracks underground ones only reduce the carrying capacity of the system? Converting the present local rail lines into underground ones would only make sense if they were superfluous to current needs, right? What we need are add-on rail lines like the metro, and THESE should be underground. The present lines are by no means perfect but I think that a radical change like that wouldn't help.

Yeah - it would definitely increase tunneling costs if we wanted same gauge and carrying capacity per rake underground but maybe we could get some advantage like no more pedestrians coming in front of trains etc and automated signalling systems that could help increase capacity if we had to shrink the gauge and/or rake.

Azad Nagar Station Near Andheri Sports Complex, JP Road Andheri West.

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Azad Nagar Station Near Andheri Sports Complex, JP Road Andheri West.








thnx for pics...great pics.....that station will look awesome....:banana:

Nice pics fuwad :cheers:

Opening some "no motor" areas in SoBo would be a good idea, for eg, someplace around Kala Ghoda, Univ, etc., and possibly start some kind of street car/tram service (with OHP) in lieu of buses and taxis (not an outright ban, but restrictions on the number and charges). This will be esp helpful once the u/g section of the metro is up and running in a few years.

http://www.timescontent.com/tss/photos/preview/116739/Tram.jpg
Could you believe this photo?

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Mumbai CST tram hub

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Flora Fountain with double decker tram

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And the remains, found when digging around flora fountain.

Could you believe this photo?

Mumbai CST tram hub

Flora Fountain with double decker tram

And the remains, found when digging around flora fountain.

thanks for sharing

Thanks for sharing. I Can't help but notice that everyone is wearing white!

Thanks for sharing. I Can't help but notice that everyone is wearing white!

They probably aren't all wearing white. Even lighter colored clothes will show as white or gray in a black and white photo. Then again who knows. White was probably the cheapest fabric a

Thanks for sharing. I Can't help but notice that everyone is wearing white!

They probably aren't wearing all white. Light colors can show up as white and gray in a black and white photo. Then again, maybe they are wearing white as white was probably the cheapest and most common fabric.

'Howrah Bridge' coming soon to Andheri

By: Ranjeet Jadhav Date: 2012-02-06 Place: Mumbai

MMRDA sources say a steel bridge being built for the Metro rail's VAG corridor will be a look-alike of the iconic structure

It was renamed Rabindra Setu way back in 1965. But most Kolkatans have always referred to the 705-metre-long cantilever structure over the Hooghly as Howrah Bridge. Now, it's coming to Mumbai. Or rather, a 183-metre steel bridge - modelled on the iconic structure - is being constructed over the railway track in Andheri as part of the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar (VAG) Metro rail corridor.

Speaking to MiD DAY, a Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) official, requesting anonymity said, "Great progress is being witnessed as far as the 11.4-km VAG Metro corridor is concerned. The railways have accorded all permissions and also the much-needed mega blocks for the construction of the steel bridge that will take the metro from the western to the eastern side.

Two of the four critical pillars, which will shoulder the bridge, are fully ready and the remaining two are at advanced stages of construction. The structure that will pass over the railway tracks will be a look-alike of the famous Howrah Bridge."

True as steel
The assembling work of the steel bridge structure has already started and is in progress at Andheri (East). The project will cost about Rs 35 crore.

The contract for constructing this state-of-the-art bridge was bagged by Braithwaite Burn & Jessop Construction Company (BBJ), Kolkata, a public sector undertaking (PSU) specialising in construction of rail and river bridges. Interestingly, BBJ was the company that did the fabrication for the Howrah Bridge.

"Designing a steel bridge passing over railway tracks is a formidable task. The contract for the same was awarded to BBJ as they are well known for designing steel rail bridges," said the MMRDA official.

The manufacturing of the upcoming steel bridge was done at BBJ's Heavy Plant Yard (HPY) located in Kolkata. It has been designed in such a way that it will be dismantled during transportation and reassembled at the site when all four columns of the bridge are ready.

Change of plans
It is also reported that earlier MMDRA had sought permission for constructing the bridge, but due to design issues, the authorisation was not granted. Previously, the bridge was to be a concrete structure. But due to changes in plans, it was modified to a steel structure.

MMRDA officials also said that the work on the assembly will be complete in a month's time and by April-end the bridge will be in place over the railway tracks.

On the other hand, work on the cable-stayed bridge coming up over the Jog Flyover on the Western Express Highway is also on in full swing.

According to MMRDA officials, the process of erecting the overhead electrification system on viaduct has crossed the halfway mark, construction of the station is progressing on war footing and three ultramodern trains have already arrived in the city.

http://www.mid-day.com/news/2012/feb/060212-Howrah-Bridge-coming-soon-to-Andheri.htm

^^
modelled on the iconic structure
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I used to think that it will be be cable stayed not cantilever :lol:

^^

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I used to think that it will be be cable stayed not cantilever :lol:

The WEH bridge is cable stayed. The bridge over WR will be a cantilever bridge.

^^ Pic in the above article

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Bridging the gap: Work in progress at the steel bridge at Andheri.
Pic/Mahesh Chafe

29-01-2012
A view of the steel bridge taken from Andheri Station Plat no 5.

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The WEH bridge is cable stayed. The bridge over WR will be a cantilever bridge.

oh....

Was in Airoli, Navi mumbai...on way caught this structural engg delight

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg19/scaled.php?server=19&filename=photo0002gl.jpg&res=medium

Was in Airoli, Navi mumbai...on way caught this structural engg delight

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg19/scaled.php?server=19&filename=photo0002gl.jpg&res=medium

wow.. just a month or two... i think it will be soon connected.... :)
:cheers:

^^ Cool ... it's already covered half of the WEH and almost half of the other half :)

Thanks !

Was in Airoli, Navi mumbai...on way caught this structural engg delight

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg19/scaled.php?server=19&filename=photo0002gl.jpg&res=medium

Within Kissing Distance! Muaaahhh! Thank you for sharing. :cheers:

Was in Airoli, Navi mumbai...on way caught this structural engg delight

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg19/scaled.php?server=19&filename=photo0002gl.jpg&res=medium

Great !!!! Hope we will complete all the work of Metro & start at scheduled timeline DEC 2012...

This bridge would probably be done by end of summer I guess.

^^ If it doesn't end before monsoon, commuters will lose patience. The broad merging roads at the junction have been closed since 2008 monsoons (4 monsoons passed way now). The traffic during the monsoons at the junctions really causes mentral trauma.

I dont know why they are going slow on Mahakali caves Road junction and JP road near depot. They should finsih those portions as soon as possible and release teh roads for public. We are already in the 5th year of construction.

Out of a Metro station, you may land amid a heap of chaos

Yogesh.Naik @timesgroup.com | Mumbai Mirror

Municipal Commissioner Subodh Kumar, who took a round of Metro stations along the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar route on Friday, learnt that almost all exits of Metro stations landed straight on public utilities like footpaths or storm water drains, for instance.

This visit was a result of a letter sent by the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority, the agency that is constructing this Metro line. The agency had written to the municipality claiming that the corporation was impeding the Metro project as municipal officials had been taking strong objection to the access foot-overbridges of the Metro.

To verify whether objections raised by his officials were valid, Kumar undertook the trip which began around 6.30 am. Escorting him were additional commissioner (western suburbs) Manisha Mhaiskar and her counterpart for the eastern suburbs, Aseemkumar Gupta.

"The visit was to ensure that the carriageway and footpath are not encroached upon; the municipal commissioner suggested measures to reduce this," said an official who was part of the commissioner's entourage.
At Andheri Metro station, the team felt that the Metro could add to the congestion.

In Andheri (east), a shopkeeper pointed out to them how the station exit was bang in front of his shop, and this could affect his business. AT Saki Naka, people complained that the Metro had eaten into a huge portion of the Andheri Ghatkopar link road, narrowing the carriageway.

At Asalpha village in Ghatkopar, municipal officials got a taste of traffic jams created by the ongoing construction of the Metro rail. Their cars were caught up in a jam there. The commissioner was upset over the access of the Metro station landing on the footpath. "Pedestrians will spill onto the road and hamper traffic movement if the foot-overbridge comes up on the footpath,'' an official of the local municipal ward told Kumar.

At the end of the 10-hour-long visit, Bharat Modgil who heads construction for Metro One, agreed that many of the footover bridges for Metro stations landed straight on roads, footpaths and drains. "We will take action to correct this," Modgil told Mumbai Mirror.

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=MIRRORNEW&BaseHref=MMIR/2012/02/11&PageLabel=8&EntityId=Ar00802&ViewMode=HTML

Use Metro to fuel mumbai’s growth

Mumbai Mirror Saturday 9-4-2011

Think tank proposes FSI of 4 instead of 1 around Metro stations, says this will help cash-strapped state govt generate more funds for other infra projects

With a view to earn more funds for infra projects, the State Government is planning to allow more FSI - to a maximum of 4 - in areas around 500 metres where all metro rail stations will be located in the city.

At present, the FSI for Mumbai's suburbs is one. Higher FSI granted for a given plot would result in permission for more number of floors that can be constructed on the same plot, thereby generating greater revenue which can be used for future infrastructure projects.

Mumbai Transformation Support Unit (MTSU), the think tank unit of the government for urban affairs, conducted a study for the Metro station at Juhu, and has asked the state urban development department to give FSI up to 3.25 for the area.

U P S Madan, project manager of MTSU, told Mumbai Mirror, “We completed a study of the area around the proposed Nanavati Hospital Railway Station on S V Road, along the Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd metro corridor.

We feel that this area can be given a maximum FSI of 3.25 for 500 metres radius around the station. MTSU is of the opinion that the government can give maximum of 4 FSI to areas around metro stations but, in this part of Juhu, we can give only up to 3.25 as it is close to the airport and lies within the funnel vision of the airport.’’

MTSU is likely to suggest FSI of 4 for a 500-mt radius area around Shastrinagar station

An MTSU official pointed out that the metro corridors will greatly increase infrastructure of Mumbai, and therefore one should grant more FSI to the regions where stations will be located as the metros will speedily disperse the population.

He further said the government can decide a rate for the extra FSI, and utilise the funds generated thereby for the betterment of city infrastructure and also to finance more metros and monorails.

MTSU has also conducted a second study, at the proposed Shastrinagar station in Goregaon, where a two BHK house costs over a crore at present. MTSU is likely to suggest FSI of 4 for the 500-metre radius area around Shastrinagar station.

Similar studies will soon begin for stations along the Versova-Ghatkopar metro corridor, scheduled to be completed by end 2012, and later will be taken up in areas around the Monorail corridor connecting Chembur with Saat Rasta.

State Chief Secretary Ratnakar Gaikwad said, “This concept is called ‘Transit Oriented Development’ and was suggested by World Bank.

As a result, it was included in our comprehensive transport study. We intend to give some funds (from the sale of extra FSI) to the BMC, as they need to upgrade other infrastructure. We had asked MTSU to conduct the study at Juhu first.”

Infrastructure expert and Tata Realty chief Sanjay Ubale is all for the proposal. “The Metro infrastructure will serve a large number of people and make commuting easier in dense areas. Revenue generated from sale of more FSI must be transferred to a fund solely dedicated for Mumbai's infrastructure,” said Ubale.

However, Pankaj Joshi, executive director of Urban Design Research Institute, said, “Having more FSI at such stations is a good idea. But if the government does it in the absence of augmented utilities and amenities it wouldn't be all that feasible.”

The proposal also did not quite meet with the approval of a BMC deputy municipal commissioner who believes it will only increase congestion.

“One only needs to take a look at Ghatkopar Metro station, where the government allowed FSI of 4 for the Versova-Ghatkopar corridor stations. It has increased congestion and virtually blocked wind flow and sunlight in the area.

On the plus side the government will certainly gain funds, but not many take into account that crowding and congestion will increase,” the DMC said.

Builder Pujit Agarwal of Orbit Corporation is, however, among those who fully support the plan. “I feel that any move that leads to more amenities around public facilities needs to be encouraged,” he said.

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/15/2011040920110409085540973ef705100/Use-Metro-to-fuel-mumbai%E2%80%99s-growth.html
I have enquired as of just yeaterday to BMC for the grant of increased FSI to the tune of 4 for re-developement proposals. The reply says that, as of now, this is only in the newspapers, but no official stand has been taken or rules made to the effect in DCR or otherwise.
Kindly share if anybody knows better..

I know I am re-iterating this point. The chaos at the stations is unavoidable in the current scenario with all elevated stations.FOBs for pedestrians to avoid ground level traffic is infeasible in almost all the stations. MMRDA should have considered a local consultant (Mumbai) and a global consultant (from abroad, preferably dense cities) befere planning this. Afterall, Delhi and Mumbai follows extremely opposite urban development model. Replicating the Delhi experience in Mumbai is the worst decision ever made.

Mumbaikars, get ready for all the chaos at the stations after the line starts operations.

@indiadreams:
True. know what as always mumbaikars will bear and grin through all of it.

The situation may be a bit better if crowds coming out of the metro stations or rushing in are provided with alternate locations other than footpaths. This requires a long term policy affecting decision. That is something is harder to do than just thinking or saying it..

Third line of Metro rail plan gets a shot in the arm

The city’s metro rail plans got a boost with Japanese International Cooperation Agency(JICA) discussing funding with Mumbai Meteropolitan Region Development Authority for the third line along Colaba-Bandra-Seepz.
TNN

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOIM/2012/02/11&PageLabel=10&EntityId=Ar01011&ViewMode=HTML

And the word funding should mean chance for babus to cash in. :D

Since Andheri-Kurla Road is mostly industrial/commercial, I think most places would be within walking distance from atleast one station. Hence, though crowd dispersal will be slightly chaotic, it may not be as bad as many of us fear. As for the statements by the BMC chief, his views may not be absolutely objective, as the MMRDA and the BMC have been on opposite sides, to the point of even causing delays to some projects.



The situation may be a bit better if crowds coming out of the metro stations or rushing in are provided with alternate locations other than footpaths. This requires a long term policy affecting decision. That is something is harder to do than just thinking or saying it..

One example is the absolutely brilliant network of metro and skywalks in Bangkok. (If I m not mistaken, there are skywalks even beneath the metro viaducts). If that can be done here, the need to hail a rickshaw to/from the metro can go down by by a huge percentage. The walking distance on the Andheri-Kurla Road can be covered on the skywalks. But of course it will require additional investments, and as we all know, the MMRDA may not be in a position to allocate funds for anything other than the core infra for the metro. Bottomline: even though crowd dispersal is a concern, it can be resolved.

^^ The point here is crowd mamangement. As I could see in Wikipedia, Bangkok has a daily ridership of 2 lakhs spread across 18 staions (info may be wrong). BUt Reliance expects 7 lakh ridership for Line 1 spread across 11 stations (It is absolutely practical ). It is the same reason why suburban stations in Mumbai is far worse than Kolkata or Chennai.

Many cities manage crowd with elevated station,including Delhi. But simply copying that to Mumbai without studying traffic patterns is not a good idea. The traffic police has raised this issue immeditaely after the skeletal structure of the stations was complete.


And there are many regions, whih are far off from metro stations till other lines come up - SEEPZ, MIDC, Hiranandani, Lokhandwala, lots of dense portions of Andheri W, Juhu, Airport, JVLR etc would provide traffic to Line 1 and they may use ricks till other lines come up

As i started here with my query on FSI being raised to 4 for the areas near Metro station.
These is also a provision for Parking FSI being granted by BMC (exploited left right and center by developers).
First provision for the redevelopment projects if, in addition to the FSI being granted, a provision for people to park/ parking for Rics and taxis and sky walks for qualified passengers could avoid the jamboree on the roads..

But again, a long term policy decision needs to be taken by the powers.

Metro under construction at Four Bunglows Andheri West.

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Thanks for sharing. I Can't help but notice that everyone is wearing white!

us samay India gulaam thha ... sab log gandhi baba ki tarah safed dhoti pehen-te thhe

http://www.flickr.com/photos/akshaypatilwcam/6870236959/in/photostream/lightbox/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/akshaypatilwcam/6870236959/in/photostream/lightbox/
by my friend akshay patil

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^^ Image wasn't displayed .. trying here:

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From this pic it looks as if it is very close to getting done :)

Metro under construction at Four Bunglows Andheri West.

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9771/20120213134340.jpg


For anyone who is curious: the viaducts are extra wide here since there are extra lanes for entry and exit from the car shed.

Andheri Railway Over-Bridge as on 13th Feb 2012

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2214/mbridge.jpg

^^ That portion is in the off-the-tracks area, right ?

^^ That portion is in the off-the-tracks area, right ?

Yes

3rd cable on the western pier is done ..... 2 more to go on both sides.... :applause:

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/7158/20120215081544.jpg

DNA reviews Mumbai Metro Works.

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/6139/215201294008am.jpg

http://epaper.dnaindia.com/epapermain.aspx?pgNo=7&edcode=820009&eddate=2012-2-15

^^ Just from the pics it looks this project is delayed like hell!:ohno:. 80% progress seems BS to me. Will probably take at least another 2 years to be operational. That means 6-7 years for around 11km which is dismal!!:bash:

^^ Just from the pics it looks this project is delayed like hell!:ohno:. 80% progress seems BS to me. Will probably take at least another 2 years to be operational. That means 6-7 years for around 11km which is dismal!!:bash:

In MMRDA, 80% usually means that 80% of the 70% total work being done is completed. the rest hasn't even been started. This trick is used by BMC during monsoon ...:banana:

Looks like Google maps have been updated ... I see Metro1 elevated sections for about 60-70% of the route. Am I wrong ?

someone working at the very TOP MM1 has confessed the metro will run only in 2014 (that too if there is no more hurdles) most likely versova to andheri will start in 2013 as a face saving measure.

someone working at the very TOP MM1 has confessed the metro will run only in 2014 (that too if there is no more hurdles) most likely versova to andheri will start in 2013 as a face saving measure.
This was what I was fearing. And those idots in MMRDA were telling as early as Oct 2010 that Metro will be ready by Dec 2010. They should be sent to jail for making such statements. Least they can do is tell the realistic timeline to the Public. It will be ideal if project End date is printed on Barricades even if it is 10 years from now. Atleast Public will not have false hopes.

Not sure why some of us here believed that that Metro can be Operational by Dec 2012.

I am very skeptical about how successful this metro will be and when it will actually finish because if you ask me, it is a shame that it is not done yet and they claim that 80% of the work is done. I think that this is such a lie and 2014 seems far more realistic.

I am very skeptical about how successful this metro will be and when it will actually finish because if you ask me, it is a shame that it is not done yet and they claim that 80% of the work is done. I think that this is such a lie and 2014 seems far more realistic.

Just a few pages back, some forum friends had shared and discussed the ppt of Reliance, which detailed the extreme challenges that the construction people had to face in Mumbai Metro execution. I reckon that is the reason why we see immense delays here. Most of us, though never condoning the delay, had started to respect more, the work of these people involved, as it is one of the most difficult areas to build a metro in. as far as success is concerned, I am sure it will be thronged daily, even when the novelty factor would be off. :)

I am very skeptical about how successful this metro will be and when it will actually finish because if you ask me, it is a shame that it is not done yet and they claim that 80% of the work is done. I think that this is such a lie and 2014 seems far more realistic.

Success is almost certain, no private party would have bid for it (let alone Reliance), and despite delays, i think the quality of civil work is world class (better than even delhi or b'lore).

However BMC, Railway and MMRDA has made it almost impossible to work, i am surprised they just haven;t walked out (although it seems they have walked out on line 2)

The service will be excellent too, but i am little apprehensive of the Chinese Rolling stock

Public interest litigation alleges violation of rules in Mumbai Metro construction

MUMBAI: In a trouble for Mumbai Metro phase I (Versova- Andheri-Ghatkopar), a public interest litigation filed in the Bombay High Court has alleged violation of Development Control Regulations (DCRs) and fire safety norms.

Petitioner Monica Matani claims that the city fire department granted No Objection Certificate to the project without proper verifications. Besides, the state Urban Development Department, planning body MMRDA and Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation (BMC) violated several rules, and have put lives of the citizens living near the upcoming metro stations as well as that of potential commuters in danger, she says.

The division bench of Chief Justice Mohit Shah and Justice Ranjit More today asked the Chief Fire Officer of BMC to file a reply within four weeks.

The petition claims that construction of Versova-Ghatkopar stretch started in February 2008, but application for NOC of fire department was made only in December 2009, after Matani had sought information about it under the Right to Information Act.

Subsequently, a blanket NOC for all the 12 station buildings was given, whereas the DCR and Maharashtra Fire Prevention and Life Safety Measures Act require a separate permission for each building, it says.

Apart from cancellation of the NOC, the PIL has also prayed for stay to the construction of these 12 stations.

The phase I of the project is expected to be completed this year.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/transportation/railways/public-interest-litigation-alleges-violation-of-rules-in-mumbai-metro-construction/articleshow/11901251.cms

After all the stations are built and only roof left, ye Monica abhi neend se uthi,HC is gonna rap her for wasting courts time and in many cases in now days HC might fine her.

someone working at the very TOP MM1 has confessed the metro will run only in 2014 (that too if there is no more hurdles) most likely versova to andheri will start in 2013 as a face saving measure.

I expect Versova to Sakinaka to be up and running by early or mid 2013. The infrastructure projects in eastern parts are always tricky given the experience of SCLR, JVLR, Airport expansion etc.

The probem is not in execution, but in planning.Hope they learn from their mistakes and plan it better for subsequent lines

After all the stations are built and only roof left, ye Monica abhi neend se uthi,HC is gonna rap her for wasting courts time and in many cases in now days HC might fine her.

Actually JVPD brought this up 2 years back, when they opposed elevated metro for Line 2. In fact, there was an elaborate discussion on this in this forum. Some members said that they can pour water from sides or top of the buildings to put off fire.

The violation is blatant considering that all the stations are kissing the neighbouring buildings, which are atleast 4-5 floors tall.

Now, JVPD bashers, start action.

After all the stations are built and only roof left, ye Monica abhi neend se uthi,HC is gonna rap her for wasting courts time and in many cases in now days HC might fine her.

But she is correct though. Maybe the delay Was in getting information through rti.

But she is correct though. Maybe the delay Was in getting information through rti.

The officers are required to reply to a RTI within a certain period of time, there cant be a delay plus the above matter was well publicised when fire brigade gave the NOC way back in 2010.so there wasnt even need for a rti. Its nothg but opposition parties delaying tactics just like the Jog flyover episode.

^^ It is not politics. This seems to be a long-standing case between a housing society on JP Road and MM1. Teh housing society has alleged that the construction technique used in Line 1 has caused damage to the building.

http://www.indiankanoon.org/doc/111406/?type=print

The new PIL seems to be continued efforts of the society to stop metro construction. It is not really warranted at this stage. Nevertheless, it is valid.

I am very skeptical about how successful this metro will be and when it will actually finish because if you ask me, it is a shame that it is not done yet and they claim that 80% of the work is done. I think that this is such a lie and 2014 seems far more realistic.

I don't mean to be a dick - but all you need to see and appreciate is this metro construction pic:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9586/02022012161.jpg

When a country is able to pull off building a mass transportation system THROUGH such challenges without disturbing the livelihoods of thousands AND complete the project with a few delays, i consider that a miracle!
Moaning and Whining doesn't help - appreciating what has been accomplished - does!

I don't mean to be a dick - but all you need to see and appreciate is this metro construction pic:



When a country is able to pull off building a mass transportation system THROUGH such challenges without disturbing the livelihoods of thousands AND complete the project with a few delays, i consider that a miracle!
Moaning and Whining doesn't help - appreciating what has been accomplished - does!

here lies the point that's what IU posted few pages back

The officers are required to reply to a RTI within a certain period of time, there cant be a delay plus the above matter was well publicised when fire brigade gave the NOC way back in 2010.so there wasnt even need for a rti. Its nothg but opposition parties delaying tactics just like the Jog flyover episode.

Doesn't matter how much delay it is. It could have been even after the Metro was up and running. The issue that has been pointed out is valid. I don't see anything wrong with anyone asking why is a pillar being constructed right next to a shop, literally, a couple of feet away?

And also the Newspaper mentions:

The phase I of the project is expected to be completed this year.

When they should be knowing that it is just line 1 of phase 1 and not the entire phase itself. :bash:

Metro is very much needed in cities like Mumbai. People who file useless PIL should realize that they are hampering the greater good of the society.

^^ None objects the Metro. The oppposition is was for the method and mode of construction, as if there are no alternatives. If there is no PIL, they will continue to do it in future.

The babus badly wanted this line to be a PPP to get their cut. If it has to be underground, it has to get funding from a multilateral agency, in which case, leakage of funds is very difficult. They used DMRC to defend their plans - DMRC, as a consulatnt, used to suggest elevated lines across cities straight after the success of Delhi Metro, without even checking basic things like Airport, electric transmision lines, CRZ, practicality etc. DMRC is not an urban planner. While cities like Chennai used DMRC's expertise for construction/technology and changed the plans (predominantly elevated to predominantly underground) suggested by DMRC to suit local conditions, MMRDA did the opposite.

Even the babus know that underground is better, which is why they instantly converted Line 3, which runs in their backyard, to underground. But want to keep the lines in the suburbs to be PPP to get their cut.

^^ It is not politics. This seems to be a long-standing case between a housing society on JP Road and MM1. Teh housing society has alleged that the construction technique used in Line 1 has caused damage to the building.

http://www.indiankanoon.org/doc/111406/?type=print

The new PIL seems to be continued efforts of the society to stop metro construction. It is not really warranted at this stage. Nevertheless, it is valid.

Then when PIL was filed, HC had ordered independent agencies including engineers from IIT to conduct test whether damage was bcz of the vibrator machine used in metro, it turned out the fault was with buildings maintainence, none of the other building on the road faced any such problem.
Its exactly the same situation when residents near Jog flyover filed a PIL way back in the 90s claimin their buildings will collapse if the flyover was built. The flyover was left half built for 2 yrs bcz of those assholes, its been more than a decade now none of the buildings have collapsed.

Not sure if this article was posted earlier:

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/index.aspx?page=article&sectid=2&contentid=2011083020110830030011716aa5df2c8

The article (and hence the images) was dated Aug 30 2011.

Over the Jog flyover

Engineering marvel: More than two storeys higher than the freeway traffic, two Metro tracks are being constructed, without pillars to hold them up


Images in the article:


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Then when PIL was filed, HC had ordered independent agencies including engineers from IIT to conduct test whether damage was bcz of the vibrator machine used in metro, it turned out the fault was with buildings maintainence, none of the other building on the road faced any such problem.
Its exactly the same situation when residents near Jog flyover filed a PIL way back in the 90s claimin their buildings will collapse if the flyover was built. The flyover was left half built for 2 yrs bcz of those assholes, its been more than a decade now none of the buildings have collapsed.

I never said that the society's claim is right. It seems more like the building's problem.

But the recent PIL on violating fire safety norms is definitely valid. They didnt get fire NOC through normal route. When fire department says any building more than 3/4 floors should have space for fire truck to operate around the building, it is astonishing that a station building, which is likely to have lakhs of commuters, is just an inch away from neighbouring buildings. It is neither good for the station nor the neighbouring buildings.

Even Line 2 is hanging on because of the same problem. It is not very easy to get NOC for Line 2 which passes through rich and upper middle class neighbourhoods,unlike Line 1 which passes through middle class area and commercial zone.

JVPD , Linking Road and Andheri West Link Road will rip them if they do that here.

I expect Versova to Sakinaka to be up and running by early or mid 2013. The infrastructure projects in eastern parts are always tricky given the experience of SCLR, JVLR, Airport expansion etc.

The probem is not in execution, but in planning.Hope they learn from their mistakes and plan it better for subsequent lines
After looking at the progress posted by Fuwad even till sakinaka I guess even this stretch cannot start before dec 2013. The station interiors take considerable time considering Namma Metros experience. The full route being operational for now looks 2014

^^
My response was in reply to koolicon. If they can start services from Verosva to Andheri station, they can very well extend it to Marol. The WEH bridge will be complete before WR bridge. Almost all the stations from Versova to Marol are in similar state. I am not very sure of the progress of Saki Naka station.

They can slowly finish the station in 1 year, IMO. I may be wrong though.

^^
My response was in reply to koolicon. If they can start services from Verosva to Andheri station, they can very well extend it to Marol. The WEH bridge will be complete before WR bridge. Almost all the stations from Versova to Marol are in similar state. I am not very sure of the progress of Saki Naka station.

They can slowly finish the station in 1 year, IMO. I may be wrong though.

Have Andheri Station upto WEH the work is slow , also WEH station still lacks couple of floors, from versova to andheri atleast the station are ready barring the interior work

Have Andheri Station upto WEH the work is slow , also WEH station still lacks couple of floors, from versova to andheri atleast the station are ready barring the interior work

after andheri station i mean

^^
yeah indiadreams is right they can split line in two and start metro Phase 1:Line 1:Part 1

^^
yeah indiadreams is right they can split line in two and start metro Phase 1:Line 1:Part 1 with monorail

Its a Typo I guess. You mean Metro for part 1 of line 1 :)

Have Andheri Station upto WEH the work is slow , also WEH station still lacks couple of floors, from versova to andheri atleast the station are ready barring the interior work

I think all the pillars are up between Andheri and WEH stations. Some of the segments near the stations are not placed near both the stations as they are waiting for the bridges to be completed. Correct me , If I am wrong. I dont see this stretch often, as driving through this stretch is very painful.

I happened to see Saki Naka station today. The progress is pretty fine contrary to what DNA has reported. The portion near Marol Naka is incomplete probably because of some electric wire problems, it seems (basic planning gone wrong).

Its a Typo I guess. You mean Metro for part 1 of line 1 :)

oh yeah don't know why I typed monorail :ohno:

I don't mean to be a dick - but all you need to see and appreciate is this metro construction pic:



When a country is able to pull off building a mass transportation system THROUGH such challenges without disturbing the livelihoods of thousands AND complete the project with a few delays, i consider that a miracle!
Moaning and Whining doesn't help - appreciating what has been accomplished - does!


+10.

We got to commend RInfra for even bidding for this project, and Line 2. I don't think many cos would have even thought of constructing through these hardships.

I don't mean to be a dick - but all you need to see and appreciate is this metro construction pic:



When a country is able to pull off building a mass transportation system THROUGH such challenges without disturbing the livelihoods of thousands AND complete the project with a few delays, i consider that a miracle!
Moaning and Whining doesn't help - appreciating what has been accomplished - does!

If appreciating what has been done was enough, we would still be in the same situation we had in 1947.

If appreciating what has been done was enough, we would still be in the same situation we had in 1947.

Your impatience is understandable. What we have achieved in infrastructure projects especially since the late 90s may not be impressive but nevertheless, the Indian landscape has changed for better and it is changing at a rapid pace since the last decade. You CANNOT deny that.

Your impatience is understandable. What we have achieved in infrastructure projects especially since the late 90s may not be impressive but nevertheless, the Indian landscape has changed for better and it is changing at a rapid pace since the last decade. You CANNOT deny that.

True Fact. I am happy to see that there are all these projects which are being undertaken. I think that the Delhi Metro and some other projects are really impressive. For some reason though, I am not convinced by the Mumbai Metro. I know that all factors are taken into consideration but they really should have paid the money to make it underground.

I am no engineer and won't understand the complexities that govern the decision (or nondecisions) about over or underground Metros. If you take HK's example, there are many routes where the trains emerge on overground. Of course - I will leave this discussion at that because honestly I have no idea on costings and compelling parameters that dictate over/underground. Our friends Abhishek and many others have pointed their reasons for / against this decision and I myself have to spend time to educate myself through their responses. Over a hot capuccino.

My main and worrisome concern is - that Mumbai Metro may turn out to be a Graffiti ridden system like what NY tin pots have. Delhi never had a commuter transportation like METRO ever before so when they got it spic and span, through education and campaigns, they have kept the trains in good condition. In Mumbai, I have seen the so called new rakes of the EMU trains by Seimens (correct me pls) been rampaged with scratches and paan stains.
Would the Mumbai Metro interiors/exteriors be saved?

True Fact. I am happy to see that there are all these projects which are being undertaken. I think that the Delhi Metro and some other projects are really impressive. For some reason though, I am not convinced by the Mumbai Metro. I know that all factors are taken into consideration but they really should have paid the money to make it underground.

Mama, please donot say that. It's a private metro and Reliance will take care of it. I know some will still be curious and will tempted to scratch it, touch it, put their hands at wrong places as their usual gf has been replaced by kattu kaif. I know the mentality of Delhi People but i donot have any idea of how Mumbai people think about these stuff

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mamaji as far as I know it won't happen in Mumbai just some political adverts will be there no graffiti and else and as euro said yeah reliance will take care of it

Euro - I think u read me wrong.. I was praising Delhi people



Mama, please donot say that. It's a private metro and Reliance will take care of it. I know some will still be curious and will tempted to scratch it, touch it, put their hands at wrong places as their usual gf has been replaced by kattu kaif. I know the mentality of Delhi People but i donot have any idea of how Mumbai people think about these stuff

I was commenting on ur concern about scratches. Donot worry it's a private metro and they will take care of it. I know Delhi has reputation of rude and misbehaving but thy also could change by educating by DMRC. But I donot know about the Mumbai people attitudes so I think they can also be changed by educating. Ultimately I think there will be no scratches as seen in Delhi

I was commenting on ur concern about scratches. Donot worry it's a private metro and they will take care of it. I know Delhi has reputation of rude and misbehaving but thy also could change by educating by DMRC. But I donot know about the Mumbai people attitudes so I think they can also be changed by educating. Ultimately I think there will be no scratches as seen in Delhi

I think (I may be wrong), but delhi never had a culture of this kind of mass transport. So when they saw the nice looking tata marcopolos and the metro, it was a new phenomenon for them. Educating them right at the beginning is what made the difference.

In case of Mumbai, we are too used to abusing our buses and trains by spitting and littering (among other things). And the same people are going to be using the new monorails and metros. Dont wanna sound absolutely pessimistic, but this is an important point and maybe the MMRDA/Reliance planning at the outset will make a difference.

Hey hey u r underestimating diliwala, they can abuse anything.

Hey hey u r underestimating diliwala, they can abuse anything.

Haha yes. But somehow I do agree with what has been said above that there is a higher chance that mumbaikars can abuse the rapid transit systems being made.

I expect Versova to Sakinaka to be up and running by early or mid 2013.

I guess all the similer comments are not valid. If the line is to start than it will be whole and not in parts. The reason for that is -

Metro always runs in one direction (keeps left in India). To keep left it has to change tracks at the end stations. In case of elevated metro, as in Mumbai, in order to change tracks it needs Cross-over U-Girder.
Such special kind of U-Girders are cast-in-situ and double the width of normal precast U-Girders which are used in most of the length.
Thus these kind of Girders are present (as far as I can remember from drawings that I saw) only at Ghatkopar and Versova stations and near DN Nagar car shed.

Thus as above situation is prevailing it is practically impossible to start the line partially, as there is no cross-over girders in between for trains to change tracks and maintain left hand side. And so train that goes from Versova to Andheri has to return on the same track which is not possible.

I hope I am clear. And also hope that my memory is weak and there is crossover girder present near some intermediate stations too. too

^^ Bangalore Metro has a diagonal track connecting the 'up' and 'down' tracks in some places. This will allow the train to change tracks on the viaduct.

You can see an example in this picture (http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6571/11feb08kpn79.jpg)

And the train is capable of moving in both directions.