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Pablobegood
September 24th, 2010, 04:48 AM
where is Imre ?
He's not in Dubai, till next year. :doh:

Eric Offereins
September 26th, 2010, 03:52 PM
^^ we miss his pics. ;)

the sock
September 27th, 2010, 09:16 PM
we all miss his pics but is there not any one else out there .

giovani kun
September 27th, 2010, 10:09 PM
He's not in Dubai, till next year. :doh:

Omg That is not good :ohno:

jhalsey
September 28th, 2010, 01:44 PM
No pics for a month? It must have progressed some?

Dubai Skyscraper
September 28th, 2010, 05:49 PM
^^

thanks to 234 sale :)

http://i54.tinypic.com/2z74uf7.jpg

looks like not much has happened here, but i think they'll speed up after lower floors are done...

no_gods
September 28th, 2010, 06:50 PM
well, on hold? :(

DinoVabec
September 28th, 2010, 07:11 PM
well, on hold? :(

No, those green spots on the picture are workers, so it's not on hold...

But I kinda expected to see it around 5th or 6th floor by now..And core around 10th...

FastFerrari
September 28th, 2010, 07:17 PM
coming along nicely

Dan Hochhaus
September 28th, 2010, 10:45 PM
... But I kinda expected to see it around 5th or 6th floor by now..And core around 10th...That quick would've been a big surprise. But better than nothing, the first overground slab level is halfway done. :)

Buyckske Ruben
September 29th, 2010, 07:19 AM
^^

thanks to 234 sale :)

http://i54.tinypic.com/2z74uf7.jpg

looks like not much has happened here, but i think they'll speed up after lower floors are done...

Yes!!! Its clear definitely U/C see all those workers on the site.

Much thanks for the update!

Project Director
September 29th, 2010, 07:41 AM
loving it.nice pics

jhalsey
September 29th, 2010, 11:00 AM
Looks to be at an angle to the surrounding.

the sock
September 29th, 2010, 07:50 PM
do we have a current height please

spectre000
September 29th, 2010, 07:51 PM
I like that it's at an angle. Breaks up the monotony of having all the buildings facing the same way.

DennisS
September 29th, 2010, 08:14 PM
do we have a current height please

I guess it's about 40 / 45 meters high.
:cheers:

saeed
September 30th, 2010, 12:08 AM
I would say no more than 30 meters

bizzybonita
September 30th, 2010, 08:11 PM
Big thanks to 234SALE :cheers:

28/Sept/2010

http://i56.tinypic.com/1z3cc45.jpg

Parisian Girl
October 1st, 2010, 04:32 AM
It's great to see some new pics here! Thanks to 234sale :cheers:

Must say, it's a really good feeling to actually see such a busy site. :)

boschb
October 1st, 2010, 04:40 AM
234sale is the replacement for imre, cool point of view :) ^^

Parisian Girl
October 1st, 2010, 05:04 AM
^^ I love how the core is at an angle. It just looks so cool and right, somehow..

:cheers:

BRAMBLE
October 2nd, 2010, 09:22 AM
Maybe BRAMBLE can explain / tell us a little bit about the progress..? :)

Project is progressing well and is generally on programme.
Ground floor cast, level 1 part cast, level 5 around end Nov.
Over 500 men on site...complex design, offset floors, incredible amounts of reinforcement due to slender design.:)

Dubaiiscool:)
October 2nd, 2010, 09:32 AM
Project is progressing well and is generally on programme.
Ground floor cast, level 1 part cast, level 5 around end Nov.
Over 500 men on site...complex design, offset floors, incredible amounts of reinforcement due to slender design.:)

Will the construction speed always stay slow or will it be faster when it reaches a certain stage?

MANUTD
October 2nd, 2010, 09:54 AM
234sale is the replacement for imre, cool point of view :) ^^

He was like kid with newtoys in the torch last week -- amazing pictures mate -thanks for everything :cheers:

lotec
October 2nd, 2010, 12:38 PM
Will the construction speed always stay slow or will it be faster when it reaches a certain stage?

The first few levels of any tower are always slow. Once they progress into the typical floor plates of the tower, it'll speed up considerably. The workers will learn the layout and become more efficient.

Dubaiiscool:)
October 2nd, 2010, 12:41 PM
^^
Thanks:)

spectre000
October 2nd, 2010, 06:17 PM
Project is progressing well and is generally on programme.
Ground floor cast, level 1 part cast, level 5 around end Nov.
Over 500 men on site...complex design, offset floors, incredible amounts of reinforcement due to slender design.:)

Thanks for the insights!

Parisian Girl
October 2nd, 2010, 07:05 PM
Project is progressing well and is generally on programme.
Ground floor cast, level 1 part cast, level 5 around end Nov.
Over 500 men on site...complex design, offset floors, incredible amounts of reinforcement due to slender design.:)

Hi BRAMBLE,

Thanks for keeping us informed, as always. :)

Over 500 men on site huh, that's fantastic! Indeed, I can only imagine the amount of reinforcement that will be needed on this tower. Sounds fascinating. :cheers:

BRAMBLE
October 3rd, 2010, 08:15 AM
Hi BRAMBLE,

Thanks for keeping us informed, as always. :)

Over 500 men on site huh, that's fantastic! Indeed, I can only imagine the amount of reinforcement that will be needed on this tower. Sounds fascinating. :cheers:

Hi PG,

in excess of 40,000T! :)

boschb
October 9th, 2010, 05:25 AM
this thing must weigh a million tons already :eek2:

Dubai Skyscraper
October 11th, 2010, 06:46 PM
8 Oct 2010, by 234sale

http://i51.tinypic.com/29ok5jm.jpg

more pics of the tallest block on http://www.skyscraperlist.com

PrincessTower
October 12th, 2010, 06:06 PM
Oct 12
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4072/5075648684_4b2c8ac1a1_b.jpg

Below Pentominium is a power transformer station. I've seen some workers (small red dots).
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/5075672226_2649ef024e_b.jpg

I've counted over 100 workers onsite when I took this picture:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4037/5075074437_f92b77f675_b.jpg

Work activity on the main slab still going on - it's midnight now...

saeed
October 12th, 2010, 10:47 PM
So is the progress fast on this one now?

giovani kun
October 12th, 2010, 11:01 PM
it should get much faster from now on

MonsterPug
October 13th, 2010, 12:05 AM
It seems like forever since this was first proposed. Its finally going up!

boschb
October 13th, 2010, 03:58 AM
^^it feels like forever since this was first u/c
I would hope it goes much faster from now on :cheers2:

Pablobegood
October 13th, 2010, 04:10 AM
PrincessTower, I think you brought the concept of watermark to a whole new level :D

flashinglights
October 13th, 2010, 06:20 PM
this thing is moving. dubai is not finished...!

Parisian Girl
October 14th, 2010, 12:11 AM
Hi PG,

in excess of 40,000T! :)

Hi BRAMBLE,

Wow, incredible! Just about everything connected with Pentominium is on a massive scale. :) Except the plot itself of course. :D


:cheers:

PrincessTower
October 14th, 2010, 09:32 PM
Right this minute I can see from my window a convoy of concrete trucks lining up offloading their freight one after the other.

Looks like it's being poured inside somwhere. Preparations for the next floor casting are half way done I would say. So much rebars everywhere!!

King of Construction
October 14th, 2010, 10:04 PM
So Princess Tower, you live in Dubai Marina I suppose. But not in the Princess Tower right? Seeing that it's not finished yet, or are the lower floors already opened?

PrincessTower
October 14th, 2010, 11:00 PM
Just got here a few days ago and am staying in a hotel for the moment. Don't have any news on the Princess yet. What you can see easily walking through the tallest block is that the two Tameer projects together with Pentominium stick out because they are very busy all around the clock.

nb2
October 18th, 2010, 10:05 AM
Thank you for your update. I went to UAE two times and like to see supertall buildings in Dubai and Abu Dhabi. I hope to go there again and see that supertall buildings are complete.

Parisian Girl
October 24th, 2010, 05:04 AM
Bradley Hope | Last Updated: Oct 24, 2010

It already has the world's tallest tower and now a second building rising out of the dust could allow Dubai to displace Taipei in Taiwan as the home of the world's second-tallest.

The Pentominium building is one of several super-tall structures emerging from a corner of Dubai Marina known to planners and architects as the "tallest block".

The new tower will rise 516 metres and become the second-highest in the world after the Burj Khalifa if it is completed to its design height.

Three others under construction - Princess Tower, 23 Marina and Elite Residence - would also be in the top 20 tallest if they are completed to their original designs.

The "tallest block" towers together will add some 4,000 units to the market in the next two years, including 1,560 in the next six months alone.

"Despite the consequences, developers have no choice but to finish," said Billy Rautenbach, the managing director of the estate agency The Property Store. "They took the investors' money and they can't pay them back."

Sheikh Maktoum Al Maktoum, the chief executive of Al Fajer Properties, this month called the situation between investors and developers a "zero sum game".

"It was a game of chicken between the developer and the investor," he said. "If the developer can't deliver then the investor gets his money back. If the developer delivers, the investor loses his money."

The Pentominium is rapidly taking shape with dozens of workers from the Arabian Construction Company on site. The building comprises 120 one-floor apartments, each marketed as a "penthouse". The developer is Trident International Holding.

Brokers said all the construction of these buildings was financed with investor payments that were required to be made over a period of time, although the Real Estate Regulatory Agency (RERA) mandated last year that payment plans adhere to construction milestones.

Still, to prevent the projects from being cancelled, developers must keep hitting the milestones, while investors must keep paying for construction or risk losing some or all of their investment.

bhope@thenational.ae / The National (http://www.thenational.ae/business/property/dubais-tower-set-to-be-worlds-second-tallest)

droneriot
October 24th, 2010, 05:39 AM
They have to build at top Dubai speed if they want to catch up to 1WTC.

AltinD
October 24th, 2010, 09:12 AM
WTC1? By the time that particular tower would be completed, who knows if it will even be on top fives, so how about the Shanghai Tower. ;)

droneriot
October 24th, 2010, 09:45 AM
1WTC grows at a steady pace of two floors every two weeks, as I said, it is unrealistic to think the Pentominium is going to overtake it, and it's not very likely that the Shanghai Tower will do so, either.

bizzybonita
October 24th, 2010, 01:59 PM
23 Oct 2010


http://i56.tinypic.com/34673mt.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/2zgrdag.jpg

westmc9th
October 24th, 2010, 02:07 PM
Yea the Pentominium wont even be third that position will go to 1 wtc because of that Clock tower in makkah which i cant stand will be 2nd

droneriot
October 24th, 2010, 02:13 PM
Oh yeah, forgot about that one.

Dubai Skyscraper
October 24th, 2010, 02:17 PM
well, all they have to do to make it world's second tallest is re-adding the spire with few more meters ;)

droneriot
October 24th, 2010, 02:22 PM
When all else fails they can just redesign DAMAC Heights or Marina 106 to be 750m tall. :lol:

no_gods
October 24th, 2010, 04:48 PM
When all else fails they can just redesign DAMAC Heights or Marina 106 to be 750m tall. :lol:

oh yeah :nuts:

no_gods
October 24th, 2010, 04:54 PM
23 oct

http://i56.tinypic.com/34673mt.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/2zgrdag.jpg

found in this thread and posted by bizzybonita: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=410579&page=54

AltinD
October 24th, 2010, 08:28 PM
1WTC grows at a steady pace of two floors every two weeks, as I said, it is unrealistic to think the Pentominium is going to overtake it, and it's not very likely that the Shanghai Tower will do so, either.

I was talking about the ST that will certanly do it. Wait (which we've been doing for many many years) and see.

stevensp
October 24th, 2010, 08:29 PM
damn very nice
cant wait to see it getting higher
its very nice and very thin.. Im not a super fan of the design, its just impresive that the building is that thin
aswell the rotating feel it gives is quite nicely done!

SkyscraperCity man
October 25th, 2010, 07:00 PM
24th Oct 2010

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/5862/dsc0045qr.jpg (http://img839.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0045qr.jpg)

Blue Flame
October 26th, 2010, 01:09 AM
Not fast enough, but it is moving along none the less. I can't wait to see what this will look like once it is finished. :cheers2:

Dan Hochhaus
October 28th, 2010, 12:30 PM
Did we mention that since a couple of days there's a 2nd central crane? Looks slightly smaller than the first one, but IMO big enough for a permanent crane that hopefully soon helps to to raise the core.:)

27/October/2010 by 234sale:

http://i53.tinypic.com/fxgdbk.jpg

DennisS
October 28th, 2010, 12:40 PM
Nice! Preparing for lift-off...

flashinglights
October 28th, 2010, 05:04 PM
this thing is moving well.

i have made a time delay sequence if anyone's interested. what's the best way to post.

antovador
October 28th, 2010, 09:37 PM
Yea the Pentominium wont even be third that position will go to 1 wtc because of that Clock tower in makkah which i cant stand will be 2nd

Pento will be first residential tallest

saeed
October 29th, 2010, 12:24 AM
pento?!!.......I love it!!!

slenderbeam
October 30th, 2010, 11:13 AM
another floor was poured by the end of last week. the speed of this low floor was incredible.

next floor (P3 or 4?) is getting ready to go up.

DennisS
November 1st, 2010, 09:25 AM
Nice, lets wait for some pics to see the progress!

TowerJunkie
November 1st, 2010, 07:01 PM
^^

Frog, pot, boil


Sheesh this tower never moves when you look at the pix 6x a day :)

jhalsey
November 2nd, 2010, 11:31 AM
off topic

skyperu34
November 3rd, 2010, 02:36 AM
Nice to see such a beauty growing up, thx for the pics.

VRS
November 4th, 2010, 04:29 PM
hows the update construction progress now..?? still slow or good speed..??

saeed
November 4th, 2010, 09:06 PM
yeah, its not making any progress since over a month!!
I guess its the same like the pearl Dubai progress!

Dan Hochhaus
November 4th, 2010, 09:56 PM
^^ I hope there are no similarities to Pearl Dubai, that might soon get shelved (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=66282445&postcount=300) . The infos about Pentominium here sound much better. :)

KillerZavatar
November 5th, 2010, 01:51 PM
^^ I hope there are no similarities to Pearl Dubai, that might soon get shelved (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=66282445&postcount=300) . The infos about Pentominium here sound much better. :)

thats so sad, the most amazing projects always get into most troubles =/

droneriot
November 5th, 2010, 03:01 PM
yeah, its not making any progress since over a month!!
Huh? What thread are you looking at? Every time there's new info about this tower's construction it is stressed how crawling with workers the site is and how huge the amounts of concrete regularly pumped into it are. Not making any progress? What do you base that comment on? That it hasn't increased in height significantly? Look at any other thread in this forum and you'll see that after the foundations, the base always takes the longest to construct. From all info that we are given in this thread by locals who observe construction (such as 234sale, PrincessTower, BRAMBLE) you can easily gather that there's a ton of work done on this tower every day (except fridays, of course...) :bash:

PrincessTower
November 5th, 2010, 06:00 PM
Absolutely. The Pento site is one of the most busy in the marina. Day and all night. I've observed it from the Tamani hotel with perfect view from above for over a week - there is so much stuff to be done in preparation for the next floor. It can't go much faster. The podium floor work is so complex in both layout and structure. Also, unlike residential floors, the podium levels change shape and are interconnected (e.g. with car ramps etc).

So we shoudn't compare it to conrete-thursty beast Elite Residence where they repeat one floor dupllicate after the other so easily at the moment.

I live in the tallest block now and will let you know when things get stuck. For the moment no worries.


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Hol mir ma einer ne Liquor License und ein paar Flaschen Alk, sonst streik ich hier und schreib nich mehr weiter...

Blue Flame
November 6th, 2010, 05:45 PM
Thats good to hear! This will probably be the second tallest building in Dubai. :cheers:

Dubai Skyscraper
November 6th, 2010, 06:17 PM
^^
of course it will be ;) the next candidates for Dubai's second tallest are Dubai Towers Dubai and One Park Avenue (both on hold) :lol:

flashinglights
November 6th, 2010, 08:09 PM
Progress this week:

- Core jumped.
- multiple heavy steel i-sections placed within columns next to core.
- a massive concrete diagonal strut reinforced - wish Imre was here to photo!
- next (not sure of level??) north east floor segment, tables up and reinforcing.
- lots of pouring in areas out of sight over the course of the week.

Looks like some complicated stuff going on, progressing well.

LRenato
November 6th, 2010, 09:35 PM
beautiful tower




.

DennisS
November 7th, 2010, 11:56 AM
Progress this week:

- Core jumped.
- multiple heavy steel i-sections placed within columns next to core.
- a massive concrete diagonal strut reinforced - wish Imre was here to photo!
- next (not sure of level??) north east floor segment, tables up and reinforcing.
- lots of pouring in areas out of sight over the course of the week.

Looks like some complicated stuff going on, progressing well.

Great to hear that, I'm very curious!... :cheers:

no_gods
November 11th, 2010, 01:57 PM
2 weeks without update :(

jhalsey
November 11th, 2010, 03:37 PM
Want to see more progress!

PrincessTower
November 13th, 2010, 10:42 PM
13-nov
The first time that the Pentominium was somewhat impressive and majestic to look "up" to!!!!
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4088/5173007936_e103d4f82c_b.jpg


Site is busy as always.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4089/5173008214_de47e395ce_b.jpg

Dubai Skyscraper
November 13th, 2010, 10:58 PM
great pictures, thanks for sharing :) looks like the last podium floor has started already.

mclancer
November 13th, 2010, 11:43 PM
It will really be something, when this baby starts to rise!

Assemblage23
November 13th, 2010, 11:54 PM
Absolutely. The Pento site is one of the most busy in the marina. Day and all night. I've observed it from the Tamani hotel with perfect view from above for over a week - there is so much stuff to be done in preparation for the next floor. It can't go much faster. The podium floor work is so complex in both layout and structure. Also, unlike residential floors, the podium levels change shape and are interconnected (e.g. with car ramps etc).

So we shoudn't compare it to conrete-thursty beast Elite Residence where they repeat one floor dupllicate after the other so easily at the moment.

I live in the tallest block now and will let you know when things get stuck. For the moment no worries.


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Hol mir ma einer ne Liquor License und ein paar Flaschen Alk, sonst streik ich hier und schreib nich mehr weiter...

I envy you. Whenever possible may you share some street-level pictures of the tallest block? I'm curios if there´s any street activity, shops, cafes, etc.

Great progress with the Pentominium.

AltinD
November 14th, 2010, 12:08 AM
^^ The block is a construction zone, not much street activities there, plus the Marina Promenade is just next to it.

casinoland
November 14th, 2010, 11:03 PM
I envy you. Whenever possible may you share some street-level pictures of the tallest block? I'm curios if there´s any street activity, shops, cafes, etc.

Great progress with the Pentominium.

now i'm just assuming here, but with dubai's horrible urban planning i'm guessing that even after all the construction is completed, there won't be much street activity at all.

saeed
November 15th, 2010, 02:26 AM
Well, there are few venues around in the already lived in builldings. Cafes and restaurants thats for sure. But the block didnt escape its construction site image yet, even the streets in between. Beside, these are literaly mega buildings, and usually in other parts of the world or even the city, such building should have more space around them to include landscape and shopping sites. Here am not sure if these are feasible, maybe will be comprimised to an unusual level

PrincessTower
November 15th, 2010, 02:54 PM
the pentominium is very close to the marina walk. don't know if you can get much more street activity than that. it's also close to the beach. what more can you ask for?! I'd say you'll have literally hundreds of shops and restaurants in walking distance.

AltinD
November 15th, 2010, 05:24 PM
You guys forget that in between the towers on the block, would be a shopping and entertainement complex with a park on the roof. Then of course Marina Promenade is just next to the block.

giovani kun
November 15th, 2010, 07:03 PM
I'm curious if we're gonna have 50f+ in the 2011..I hope they will increase the speed in the next year

PrincessTower
November 15th, 2010, 09:54 PM
this is what the street right behind Pentominium looks like today (or rather tonight).

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1270/5179178297_573e8a488f_b.jpg

jamec9869
November 17th, 2010, 04:35 AM
its just another excuse to think they are the best for having the tallest or biggest of everything. they are skyscraper hogging

PrincessTower
November 17th, 2010, 11:42 AM
its just another excuse to think they are the best for having the tallest or biggest of everything. they are skyscraper hogging

thanks for the very useful and insightful contribution to this skyscraper forum...

AltinD
November 17th, 2010, 01:55 PM
^^ Is a signature spammer ... and now is gone :yes:

Daireon
November 17th, 2010, 04:03 PM
This is one of my favourites! But it's soooo slow!

pablo2008
November 20th, 2010, 12:39 AM
Be patient, I´m pretty sure that in 2011 the construction pace will be much faster than now. By this moment, we need to wait to see the first complete stories, not only the core section, after that, the progress will be faster by sure. Anyway, anything seems to be slow in comparison to Shanghai tower ;)

DinoVabec
November 20th, 2010, 12:52 AM
I like that street up there...I would like to see it when it's done..:)

Parisian Girl
November 20th, 2010, 04:40 AM
Really like these night shots. Nice atmosphere. It will be great once the podium is finished and the momentum picks up here for sure. :cheers:

flashinglights
November 20th, 2010, 03:33 PM
Momentum is certainly up. First day back after Eid and a big number of workers visible (say 50+) on the deck. They poured a floor just before the Eid break and are setting up the next one.

DennisS
November 20th, 2010, 04:17 PM
Nice! Hope to see some pics soon!

How many podium floors are there?

flashinglights
November 20th, 2010, 09:04 PM
^^

There are currently now 4 floors above ground.

Given the full section that was posted earlier in this thread (not sure of authenticity), we might start to see the typical residential floor come up now.

Provided they don't change the plan of one tennant/floor, the car park should be big enough :)

Nice! Hope to see some pics soon!

How many podium floors are there?

BRAMBLE
November 22nd, 2010, 08:34 AM
Nice! Hope to see some pics soon!

How many podium floors are there?

Podium is up to and including level 4. Floors thereafter are regularised up to level 47..then the 'pods' start! There is a car lift which will help with parking space.
Progress is fine. :)

spectre000
November 22nd, 2010, 09:03 AM
"Pods" huh.. I was wondering what those were going to be called. Thanks for the insights!

EricOlavsen
November 22nd, 2010, 10:00 AM
Lovely. :)

AltinD
November 22nd, 2010, 01:54 PM
Podium is up to and including level 4. Floors thereafter are regularised up to level 47..then the 'pods' start! There is a car lift which will help with parking space.
Progress is fine. :)

You mean a lift within the parking levels (being below or above ground) that eleminates the need for ramps, not one that sends the cars up on the pod levels, right?

BRAMBLE
November 23rd, 2010, 06:45 AM
You mean a lift within the parking levels (being below or above ground) that eleminates the need for ramps, not one that sends the cars up on the pod levels, right?

There are ramps serving the basement car parks (on 6 levels) and a car lift serving the car parks above ground level up to and including level 2 :)

Dubaiiscool:)
November 24th, 2010, 03:03 PM
http://i56.tinypic.com/2mg0c37.jpg

Picture taken by 234sale (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?find=lastposter&t=505017):).

no_gods
November 24th, 2010, 06:38 PM
it's raising FINALLY :cheers:

spectre000
November 24th, 2010, 08:06 PM
http://i56.tinypic.com/2mg0c37.jpg

Picture taken by 234sale (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?find=lastposter&t=505017):).

I can't wait for this one to take off vertically! The podium is progressing well.

Dan Hochhaus
November 25th, 2010, 02:36 AM
^^ Yes, most likely the upper podium level is already on the way. But also the core has changed: comparing the openings, there're two more than in October. So ignition is on and lift-off has begun, I suppose. :cheers2:

AltinD
November 25th, 2010, 11:40 AM
I know that pic was taken just 2 days ago but since then allot of changes have happen. Many of those tall steal beams have been added, one on the West corner goes even taller then the top of the central core.

Dan Hochhaus
November 25th, 2010, 06:44 PM
^^ Great news! Pentominium will be again a top site to watch from now on.:cucumber:

PrincessTower
November 25th, 2010, 09:28 PM
^^ Great news! Pentominium will be again a top site to watch from now on.:cucumber:

absolutely. from what I've observed it's the most busy site in the marina right now (claiming the title from elite residence?). the reason why i say this is because there are so many workers on site everytime i look, but more importantly, they've worked like crazy even during the recent holidays where most other places took a breath.

flashinglights
November 27th, 2010, 01:42 PM
The next set of embedded steel columns have been erected (around 3 storeys high).

About 40-50 people visible on the decks. Lots of activity in the core as well.

They are still setting up the first suspended floor ('recreation' according to the building section) which looks tricky with the curved profile, but that's not visible yet. This first floor will take a bit of time as it's their first shot.

Turbosnail
November 27th, 2010, 01:47 PM
Are there any sustainable features on this building?

flashinglights
November 30th, 2010, 04:40 PM
erm.. it can sustain its own weight? :hammer:

Blue Flame
December 2nd, 2010, 02:03 AM
^^
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Dubaiiscool:)
December 2nd, 2010, 02:07 AM
http://i51.tinypic.com/2nlqolj.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/33e6dtt.jpg

http://www.skyscraperlist.com/showthread.php?470-PENTOMINIUM-120F-Res-516m#post2181

Pictures taken by 234sale (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?u=72175).:)

spectre000
December 2nd, 2010, 02:23 AM
^^ Looking good!

With most of the other Dubai supertalls close to topping out, this is probably the only one in 2011 we'll get to watch rise in the next couple years (maybe Damac Heights too).

flashinglights
December 2nd, 2010, 10:18 AM
Parts of the first floor have been poured.

for some reason the slipform on the core on the right hand side has been taken down. You can just make it out in the photos above.

No one on-site today as it's a public holiday.

GOL2007
December 2nd, 2010, 09:50 PM
erm.. it can sustain its own weight? :hammer:

This means at least "LEED Gold", I would say... ;)

flashinglights
December 5th, 2010, 05:58 PM
Site is moving well.

http://i52.tinypic.com/hx2gja.jpg

spectre000
December 5th, 2010, 08:20 PM
^^ Wow! Awesome overhead shot.

kanye
December 5th, 2010, 09:57 PM
god damnit! what an epic shot, thanks for sharing!

the site is looking pretty good!

Dubai Skyscraper
December 5th, 2010, 11:07 PM
wow. it's the most exciting construction site in Dubai IMO :)

no_gods
December 6th, 2010, 01:54 PM
full of activity :)

fayzoon
December 9th, 2010, 03:22 PM
workers are like ants ! :hahaha:

saeed
December 9th, 2010, 11:38 PM
When is this project scheduled to finish, 2012?
I think if they keep good speed, they might require at least 2-3 years at best

fayzoon
December 10th, 2010, 12:16 PM
I made this video myself, everyone must see it: :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBI5i3orZq8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL :banana:

Blizzy
December 10th, 2010, 03:52 PM
Kingdom Tower is not under construction. I don't find the video that impressive for anyone interested enought to know something about the towers, but man, MGS2 opening theme is such a kick ass. Awesome job by Gregson-Williams.

fayzoon
December 10th, 2010, 04:13 PM
Kingdom Tower is not under construction. I don't find the video that impressive for anyone interested enought to know something about the towers, but man, MGS2 opening theme is such a kick ass. Awesome job by Gregson-Williams.

not currently under construction but they are preparing for construction and the application is already done :cheers:

anmolksharma
December 10th, 2010, 06:46 PM
fantastic...

parsonsnose
December 12th, 2010, 12:44 AM
From what I can gather most of the other marina supertalls seem to have slowed right down as they near completion, yet this one is racing onwards.
Will this one eventually slowdown like the others have?
Does anyone know the developers reasons for doing things that way? Or am I just wrong in my impression?

Eric Offereins
December 12th, 2010, 12:53 AM
^^ I'm not sure what you mean. As soon as a building tops out, focus shifts to the cladding and the interior. As long as you cannot see inside, it seems that things slow down. :)

parsonsnose
December 12th, 2010, 01:18 AM
I was thinking of the likes of infinity tower, which seems to have stalled on the last few floors.

PrincessTower
December 12th, 2010, 08:30 AM
12-dec
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5282/5253631710_c3571668a0_b.jpg

flashinglights
December 12th, 2010, 04:22 PM
Nice one PrincessTower,

Looks like we can now see some tapered transfer struts. Man it really thins out at the bottom of the building!!

DennisS
December 12th, 2010, 05:55 PM
Really impressive sight. I wonder what the rate of constructing floors will be when the core and smaller floors have speed up?

spectre000
December 12th, 2010, 10:57 PM
It's really starting to fill out. Thanks for the picture.

flashinglights
December 13th, 2010, 04:18 PM
what seems to be taking time now is the welding of those steel sections inside the concrete columns. there's a lot of wire rope bracing which need to be removed prior to putting up the next floor (my guess).

once they get to a few floors up, no more steel sections and they'll be able to speed up.

the fact that there are steel columns inside these concrete columns says this structure's working hard!! nice and slender!

skyperu34
December 13th, 2010, 05:08 PM
It is finally growing up, nice surprise and good update !

BRAMBLE
December 14th, 2010, 09:18 AM
When is this project scheduled to finish, 2012?
I think if they keep good speed, they might require at least 2-3 years at best


December 2013:)

rollsroyce309
December 14th, 2010, 09:47 AM
12-dec
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5282/5253631710_c3571668a0_b.jpg http://www.mohamadikhwan.com/avatar.jpg

nice update! seems it going well. :)

Dan Hochhaus
December 16th, 2010, 01:39 PM
No new core level, but these could be the first regular floors that are slowly taking shape. Those beams are a nice playground for frenetic ladder-climbers right now btw. ;)

15/December/2010 by 234sale on skyscraperlist.com (http://www.skyscraperlist.com/showthread.php?470-PENTOMINIUM-120F-Res-516m):

http://i56.tinypic.com/102wbq1.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/4vh7pw.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/cw1.jpg

abtidon
December 17th, 2010, 05:12 AM
amazing... nice

AltinD
December 23rd, 2010, 10:52 AM
Finally the central core jumped up another level.

parsonsnose
December 26th, 2010, 12:58 AM
Whatever happened to Imre?
I always had a feeling that he was working on behalf of the Dubai authorities (helping to publicise what was happening there).
Whether that was right or wrong it seems odd that he stopped posting all of those fabulous updates as things were slowing down over there.

boschb
December 26th, 2010, 01:21 AM
^^he left dubai a while ago,

Pfeuffer
December 26th, 2010, 08:31 AM
but he will be back next year !

ausie
December 27th, 2010, 12:06 AM
^^ amd hopefully by the time he returns this thing will be reaching peak speed

crskyline
December 29th, 2010, 10:55 AM
Nice projects, but its progress seems to be slower than other projects in Dubai

KillerZavatar
December 29th, 2010, 12:20 PM
Nice projects, but its progress seems to be slower than other projects in Dubai

yeah it began too late. most of the other dubai marina towers are nearly finished, so they are being made till finish with the last money left, but the pentominium started when the financial crash hit dubai. so they work slowly on it like on dubai pearl and all we can hope is that they will not put it onhold.

jhalsey
December 29th, 2010, 10:39 PM
Agree it does seem optimistic in the current climate, but maybe they have had off-plan sales.

boschb
December 31st, 2010, 03:59 AM
yes indeed, it is very strange to me that there is any progress on a half kilometer tower in Dubai! i didn't think there would be progress on 200m towers
it really doesn't make sense, there must be some sort of reason for this in witch i don't understand but hopefully this will be completed without many delays

spectre000
December 31st, 2010, 06:35 AM
Agree it does seem optimistic in the current climate, but maybe they have had off-plan sales.

It was reported that the building had pre-sold somewhere in the 75%+ range. So unless a lot of buyers have backed out (which I read happened at Marina 101), this one should be okay.

boschb
January 2nd, 2011, 03:05 AM
^^sounds a bit sketchy for the pentominium then?

spectre000
January 2nd, 2011, 08:19 AM
^^sounds a bit sketchy for the pentominium then?

Depends on the financial strength of the developer. Marina 101 owners said they're continuing construction despite their problems. So maybe the P.'s could continue as well. Only time will tell though.

parsonsnose
January 3rd, 2011, 12:50 AM
Depends on the financial strength of the developer. Marina 101 owners said they're continuing construction despite their problems. So maybe the P.'s could continue as well. Only time will tell though.

I doubt any private developers would be able to fund a tower like this themselves, unless they have access to major bank finance. But the banks have just lost a shed load of money in Dubai and are probably very reticent to lend more at the moment. Whatever happens let's hope this one carries on though, it's the only one I personally like in Dubai.

Whoops, infinity tower is a cracker as well.

spectre000
January 3rd, 2011, 12:59 AM
It's hard to know for sure about anything. Marina 101 looks like it has stopped. The cladding on that one hasn't progressed much in the last few months. Infinity Tower is reportedly slowed down while its developer focuses on another of its buildings thats closer to completion.

Pentominium is the best of the supertall block by far IMO. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

boschb
January 3rd, 2011, 05:36 AM
well there has been allot of workers on site so that is a good thing but, even if this is completed its the last tower like this where ever likely going to see in Dubai
well at least for a long long time..

oli83
January 12th, 2011, 09:07 AM
From www.skyscraperlist.com (http://www.skyscraperlist.com/showthread.php?470-PENTOMINIUM-120F-Res-516m/page2)

http://i51.tinypic.com/qskt9s.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/2v17uyv.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/vq46tg.jpg

ausie
January 12th, 2011, 09:47 AM
sorry for my ignorance but aproximately how tall is the podium supposed to be? and how long before the podium is done and regular floor construction begins if not already?

Eastern37
January 12th, 2011, 10:52 AM
Thanks for the update, very complicated looking floor plates!

KillerZavatar
January 12th, 2011, 02:27 PM
nice to see so many workers on the building

Dubai Skyscraper
January 12th, 2011, 03:13 PM
sorry for my ignorance but aproximately how tall is the podium supposed to be? and how long before the podium is done and regular floor construction begins if not already?

the podium is done already ;) it looks like they're working on the second slab now.

PrincessTower
January 18th, 2011, 12:59 PM
18-jan
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5006/5366345761_766e164428_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5241/5366345941_d677507331_b.jpg

the power transformer building next to it is progressing quite well also.

AltinD
January 18th, 2011, 04:35 PM
As you can see, the core has risen

hellrazor650
January 18th, 2011, 04:44 PM
so many places in the world get away with using just concrete

AltinD
January 18th, 2011, 04:55 PM
^^ What is that supposed to mean (exactly)?

The Engineer
January 18th, 2011, 05:31 PM
^^ i'm not sure what he means. But in this build it is not 'just' using concrete. This building must be on the edge of modern day concrete engineering. The amounts of rebar and steel are enormous. And i think the conrecte will have a very high strenght.

spectre000
January 18th, 2011, 07:12 PM
Good to see this one growing vertically.

PrincessTower
January 18th, 2011, 07:14 PM
so many places in the world get away with using just concrete

Do you mean so many of these plentyful 500+m buildings everywhere?

I've whatched the Pentominium construction site quite a bit. And, compared to other buildings, it almost appears like the concrete is used to insulate the steel rebar. I'm exagerating, but the amount of steel is stupendous.

Other than concrete and steel, what should they be using to build this tall? Carbon fiber would be cool, but too expensive and not fire proof...:crazy:

Dan Hochhaus
January 18th, 2011, 09:26 PM
As you can see, the core has risenYeah, the core has gained even two floors. And it's great that the podiums levels are left behind and the regular floor slabs have begun... if one can call walls like the slanted to the left "regular" :cool:.

AltinD
January 19th, 2011, 12:02 PM
I've whatched the Pentominium construction site quite a bit. And, compared to other buildings, it almost appears like the concrete is used to insulate the steel rebar. I'm exagerating, but the amount of steel is stupendous.

That's the reinforcement at the base and lower floors of the building. Higher floors pillars will have a more conventional rebar incorporated into them.

fayzoon
January 24th, 2011, 03:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBI5i3orZq8&feature=player_detailpage#t=14s

Imre
January 26th, 2011, 05:03 PM
26/January/2011

Pentominium

http://i55.tinypic.com/4h47ip.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/ok4ldx.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/2hp7xoo.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/8w0dw9.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/29f5mw9.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/2z3xnyw.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/15oay43.jpg

flashinglights
January 26th, 2011, 08:02 PM
well well, look who's back...!

welcome back!

giovani kun
January 26th, 2011, 08:15 PM
welcome back Imre Thank you for the updates :cheers:

gradiscanka
January 26th, 2011, 08:28 PM
I ma in love in that city

RandomNameTag
January 26th, 2011, 10:22 PM
Yes, Imre is back!! Now we can enjoy weekly updates again!

spectre000
January 26th, 2011, 10:30 PM
I never really noticed how oblong shaped the core was. Very interesting.

smarne
January 26th, 2011, 11:26 PM
began their first levels excellent, huge and interesting cluster of buildings around it.

ausie
January 27th, 2011, 12:30 AM
awesome, new updates. progressing well now :)

TXSkyWatcher
January 27th, 2011, 01:27 AM
Welcome back Imre!!!!

lookinflowers
January 27th, 2011, 02:57 AM
to tall

Pablobegood
January 27th, 2011, 04:36 AM
Hey mama, look who's back! :D Welcome back Imre! :cheers:

kingsc
January 27th, 2011, 05:38 AM
This is mix use right. Doesn't that have something, to do with amount of steel vs concrete they use. If this was a office tower, I'd wonder why they aren't using more steel.

ausie
January 27th, 2011, 07:12 AM
^^ i'm pretty sure its mainly residential with some retail in the base. correct me if i am wrong

Eastern37
January 27th, 2011, 07:20 AM
Good to see you back imre :)

firoz bharmal
January 27th, 2011, 09:00 AM
I MADE SOME CHANGE IN ENRIQUE ENGLESHIAS SONG " LOVE TO SEE YOU PICS ...." Welcome Back ....Imre.....

Munwon
January 27th, 2011, 09:08 AM
This building gives me goosebumps (in a good way)

Dubai_Steve
January 27th, 2011, 05:12 PM
to tall

Is there such a thing? :)

the sock
January 27th, 2011, 07:46 PM
its good imre is back ,wonder where culwulla has gone ?

boschb
January 28th, 2011, 05:54 AM
^^ Imre has eaten culwulla

designer-fixit
January 28th, 2011, 08:14 AM
its a very sexy structure and i love the design but it does look slightly out of placed... a structure as nice as this deserves to be a focal point without any distractions

designer-fixit
January 28th, 2011, 08:17 AM
wow no kiddin huh? pretty big.ok who am i kidding, its huge.i reallly do like the design.

designer-fixit
January 28th, 2011, 08:20 AM
omg.... is that not the funniest,,, your sig or nickname thingy has me rollin... i have four kids n my friend call me a breeder...thats really cute btw

designer-fixit
January 28th, 2011, 08:23 AM
well said, cudnt have put it better myself

Imre
January 28th, 2011, 03:09 PM
28/January/2011

Pentominium

http://i55.tinypic.com/16263c2.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/slieqh.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/2v12b13.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/n2h01j.jpg

KillerZavatar
January 28th, 2011, 03:54 PM
^^ Imre has eaten culwulla

i'm seriously laughing my ass off right now :rofl:

dutchsnookerfan
January 28th, 2011, 05:55 PM
This is the best 500m+ so far. because we only have 1 completed and some planned u/c .... i dont count pinneacles.

no_gods
January 28th, 2011, 08:22 PM
well it's raising :)

Finally!

Imre
January 29th, 2011, 02:18 PM
29/January/2011

Pentominium

http://i55.tinypic.com/2whjpmf.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/2zgusue.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/1zy9g1z.jpg

Dan Hochhaus
January 29th, 2011, 03:17 PM
Nice that we have more angles to watch Pentominium Tower now: over there from Palm Jumeirah and also down from Goldcrest Views (http://i55.tinypic.com/16263c2.jpg), owing to Imre. On the Marina panaroma pics (http://i55.tinypic.com/efmjjp.jpg) the Goldcrest twin blocks the sight to Pentominium, but there must be a different viewpoint... maybe right from this smaller Goldcrest Tower, Imre?

Imre
January 29th, 2011, 06:00 PM
The "Down from the Goldcrest" was taken from my friend balcony , "the Marina panorama" from the roof of the same building (Goldcrest Views)

FrankieRed
January 29th, 2011, 07:08 PM
it's incredible how many skyscrapers are growing up in that desert!!!!!

MontanaGuy
January 29th, 2011, 10:35 PM
no gods wrote:
well it's raising

Finally!

I was just thinking the same thing. I hadn't looked at this thread in ages and all of a sudden there's a building where a hole in the ground used to be. That area is sure jam packed with skyscrapers and this one is going to be one of the biggest.

Freelen
January 29th, 2011, 10:37 PM
very good design

ausie
January 30th, 2011, 05:04 AM
does anyone know how tall the podium is? or how many floors?

flashinglights
January 30th, 2011, 08:49 PM
Core has been jumped again, up above Level 10 from the signs which are now printed on the core.

One shot from the weekend, one from today. Apologies for the quality.

http://i51.tinypic.com/zk1f5s.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/2cdp47.jpg

CULWULLA
February 1st, 2011, 04:42 AM
10floors? 112 to go! lol

fayzoon
February 3rd, 2011, 11:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBI5i3orZq8

video of mine :)

Pablobegood
February 4th, 2011, 02:54 AM
^^ you have started to be freaking annoying :bash:

AltinD
February 4th, 2011, 11:06 AM
Actually, up to the 10th are completed, while the formwork is on the 1th and 12th. :cheers:

Melb_SuperTall
February 4th, 2011, 11:23 AM
I hope once Grocon is finished in Dubai they come back here and build something iconic like the CUB Site tower 5...

AltinD
February 4th, 2011, 11:30 AM
^^ Their Dubai presence is not hindering in any way their work prospects in AUS. The problem is elsewhere ;)

Melb_SuperTall
February 4th, 2011, 12:09 PM
Well I hope the problems "Elsewhere" are fixed soon cause im having crane withdrawl symptoms. There are no major towers under construction here and there hasn't been any since the Eureka Tower was completed (by grocon) in 2006. The CUB site was meant to be their next big project: http://www.grocon.com.au/pdfs/melbourne/the_brewery_site.pdf
But nothing noteworthy has occured yet :(

I wish Dubai all the best of luck for the future.

Imre
February 4th, 2011, 03:03 PM
04/February/2011

Pentominium

http://i54.tinypic.com/242hn55.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/2unxzmb.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/8x6ijc.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/1z6cn5x.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/30kybeg.jpg

giovani kun
February 4th, 2011, 03:07 PM
building those big columns proves to be a slow task, my guess is that after level 30-40 will have a speed up

VRS
February 4th, 2011, 03:39 PM
nice photos...

Manitopiaaa
February 4th, 2011, 11:03 PM
This tower is going to look amazing.

CrazyDave
February 5th, 2011, 02:17 AM
building those big columns proves to be a slow task, my guess is that after level 30-40 will have a speed up

Yes it will get faster, the Burj was very slow in the beginning as well.

AltinD
February 5th, 2011, 05:21 AM
Almas Tower, not far away, was also build similarily and the lower floors were slow and then it just speed up to 1 floor every 5 days.

MattToronto
February 5th, 2011, 07:31 AM
Podium work is long and tedious. In the same time to build the podium you often see the building close to halfway!

Wrocl'awianin
February 5th, 2011, 10:22 AM
What is its current height?

BRAMBLE
February 5th, 2011, 12:50 PM
does anyone know how tall the podium is? or how many floors?


Approx 22m :)

BRAMBLE
February 5th, 2011, 12:51 PM
What is its current height?

Approx 50m :)

BRAMBLE
February 5th, 2011, 12:54 PM
building those big columns proves to be a slow task, my guess is that after level 30-40 will have a speed up


Will speed up after level 7 slab has been cast. Then typical floors (but staggered either side of core) occur until pods start at level 44 :)

AltinD
February 5th, 2011, 06:32 PM
Bramble, I hope ACC will not go ahead with the naive idea of "doing things" to the H shapped 18 metters beams. :ohno:

the sock
February 6th, 2011, 11:52 AM
so its 50 meters already , that a ten done then .

parsonsnose
February 6th, 2011, 01:17 PM
This is a fabulous building. I couldn't believe it would go ahead when all of the problems hit Dubai. It's wonderful to be wrong and it's going to be so interesting to watch for the next couple of years. Thanks to all of the photo contributors and to Bramble for the insights.

filipu94
February 6th, 2011, 03:30 PM
I think they are going faster and faster. Nice shoots.

BRAMBLE
February 7th, 2011, 06:08 AM
Bramble, I hope ACC will not go ahead with the naive idea of "doing things" to the H shapped 18 metters beams. :ohno:




? :)

AltinD
February 7th, 2011, 06:24 AM
Cutting them in half vertically into 2 T sections, because allegedly they are to heavy for the crane.

DennisS
February 7th, 2011, 02:56 PM
^^ That sounds really stupid! Did they really do that?! :lol:

jhalsey
February 7th, 2011, 06:06 PM
Let's get this tower going - can't wait to see it T/O!

Imre
February 11th, 2011, 10:10 AM
11/February/2011

Pentominium

http://i54.tinypic.com/5xmtz9.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/nw56v.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/15wgm7b.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/ilewj8.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/2zz5elz.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/mil4s5.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/r9rerk.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/28hzl89.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/2vmu893.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/24n17pd.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/2z8vsar.jpg

the sock
February 11th, 2011, 06:37 PM
nice to see its rise on the panaramic view with all the other towers ,just asking what is the very tall black tower going up in the same pic and whats the final height please?

droneriot
February 11th, 2011, 06:51 PM
That's Marina 101, 412m: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=435154

Trademarc
February 11th, 2011, 11:10 PM
Dubai's finest is rising! :cheers:

Dan Hochhaus
February 13th, 2011, 12:20 AM
Agree... let's see if the core keeps on growing faster than the slab floors, like at Elite Residence for instance.

parsonsnose
February 13th, 2011, 01:12 PM
What is that angled concrete suspended in mid air doing? It looks like some kind of a buttress, but how can it be if it isn't anchored to anything?

the sock
February 13th, 2011, 03:55 PM
thanks droneriot.

spectre000
February 13th, 2011, 07:13 PM
What is that angled concrete suspended in mid air doing? It looks like some kind of a buttress, but how can it be if it isn't anchored to anything?

I've wondered about that too. Very odd.

flashinglights
February 13th, 2011, 07:48 PM
What is that angled concrete suspended in mid air doing? It looks like some kind of a buttress, but how can it be if it isn't anchored to anything?

It certainly is odd. It appears to be some sort of reinforcement anchorage block. It looks like there is a series of transfer beams under the core where it cuts back. The ones behind the angled block are neatly tapered, so it is odd that they did something different at the end of the core, unless they needed to form a concrete truss under this section of core. The end of the core works hardest, so this might be why.

just a possibility. could be completely wrong. Bramble could know?

On some other photos it looks as though there is post-tensioning duct pockets at the base of the block. But all just guessing really without seeing any plans.

AltinD
February 13th, 2011, 08:49 PM
I think a detailed plan of the lobby/entrance area would explain what the chunk is all about

idiootst
February 13th, 2011, 09:28 PM
Maybe the buildig is in puberty, its just a zit;)

VRS
February 14th, 2011, 10:30 AM
stunning panorama of Dubai...

red_eagle_1982
February 15th, 2011, 07:57 AM
Thank god this building is being built. It will temper the tackiness, that is Dubai.