TIH awards Pentominium deal
United Arab Emirates: Sunday, December 16 - 2007 at 14:01
Trident International Holdings (TIH) has awarded the enabling works contract for its 516 metre, 120 storey Pentominium project at Dubai Marina to the Swissboring Overseas Corporation. The shoring and piling work will see the installation of 250 piles, with some driven to a depth of 65 metres. The work should be completed within 60 weeks of commencement.

http://www.ameinfo.com/142046.html

That article is over 1 year old.

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^^And whats the problem? The discussion was about the amount of piles, the length and how long work goes on. Imre posted only the facts! Thank you very much Imre!

:okay:

Last night:

Busy piling works at the Pentominium

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Whoeha! Construction is now in a higher gear! :banana:

:cheers:

Those shots are absolutely amazin Desert Driver. You should make more night shots like these but then of other projects.

Those shots are absolutely amazin Desert Driver. You should make more night shots like these but then of other projects.

Thanks :) I have made many night shots already, they are my passion. Check for example all from yesterday in the Marina Thread:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=33128468&postcount=4042

Panoramas I took tonight from JLT:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=33159742&postcount=1791

how much more before the foundation is done?

great up date on night time....

Probably another few months anyway. They have 250 piles to do.

Very nice updates ! Still too much work to come, hope to see it rising up so we can enjoy and feel excited !

Probably another few months anyway. They have 250 piles to do.

Don't panic, in three months Pol-Aqua has did more than 2 500 piles in the ground of our National Stadium in Warsaw (Poland). I think, that 250 piles need less than month :). Ofcourse there is a question about the length of the piles at Penominium construction site...

Don't panic, in three months Pol-Aqua has did more than 2 500 piles in the ground of our National Stadium in Warsaw (Poland). I think, that 250 piles need less than month :). Ofcourse there is a question about the length of the piles at Penominium construction site...

Not only length (up to 65 meters) but also the very restrictive size of the plot they're working on which constitute a huge logistic challenge.

Probably another few months anyway. They have 250 piles to do.

250 piles on this plotsize :omg: Couldn't they just dig one big 65m deep hole and fill it with steel and concrete :lol:

Well according to my knowledge, driving 1 pile only requires 1 hour.

^

Well do you want fast construction and fast sinking? :lol:

08/March/2009

The Pentominium

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Looks like good progress here. The upcoming months will be crusial to see if this one really gets build or will be on hold after the piling is done.

I know the marina will look different when it is fianally done but hopefully they can blend some white into it too so it can maybe also fit in with the other buildings around it.

nice to see new update...

It's a bit close to the hexagonal tower next door.

^^ As close as all the other towers are to each other ... but yeah, close.

Piling must be done or else some other reason.

Looks like swissboring has finished....

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Anyway, regardless of the reason I think this will go on hold for a very long time starting quite soon. :)

we'll see ;)

bouhouhouh :(

Even if it's mothballed it will eventually be built.

Not on hold yet. They put in some more of those pipes on the top right side of the construction site.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2s67qk9.jpg

Good news Malec. It probably isn't the main contractor on the site but there still is progress. Looks like this is gonna be a very deep hole. I think they will excavate a couple of meters below the horizontal supports.

Looks like bracing to support the retaining walls... So... Excavation of the pile caps may start soon :-)

I wonder if it's all presold. If so they should be able to complete it. Mind you, some may have paid initial deposits but cannot meet progress installments.

I wonder if it's all presold. If so they should be able to complete it. Mind you, some may have paid initial deposits but cannot meet progress installments.

I remember some posts way back when quoted the developers stating something like 75% of the building pre-sold. Undoubtedly a few sellers have backed out since then, but just as likely some more have sold as well. Let's hope this one goes forward no problems.

17/April/2009

The Pentominium

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Are the Swiss really boring?

That was pretty impressive site coverage once again Imre! :applause:
The question is: what are those blue poles?
My guess: movement or pressure detectors to check that everything along the wall is stable.

Are the Swiss really boring?

I think they mean drilling and digging when they say boring. But I could be wrong

have the feeling pilling is completed :)

The question is: what are those blue poles?
My guess: movement or pressure detectors to check that everything along the wall is stable.

I think so, same as those used around Infinity Tower's site when they started emptied it.

I think they mean drilling and digging when they say boring.

Duh ;)

its to provide lateral bracing for the diaphram wall, there is over pressure of the sides when you dig down and dewater as much as they will have to.
You see a lot of it in very cold cliamtes for the same reason

I think they mean drilling and digging when they say boring. But I could be wrong

boren = drill in german,
but boring is no german word, but maybe a family name

boren = drill in german,
but boring is no german word, but maybe a family name

Isn't it = drilling in English? BTW, the company is Italian owned (now).

I know a PentHouse is the unit located on the top floor(s) of a building; yet below you can clearly see that they advertise this building will be a 120-floor all PentHouse.

I know it's just merchandising, but, do they base that statetment upon something in particular? Maybe all units have very large terraces or something :dunno:

http://i42.tinypic.com/15df2g.jpg

Isn't it = drilling in English? BTW, the company is Italian owned (now).


No, you two get it all mixed up! Boren is Dutch.

^^ I was talking about "boring"

I think so, same as those used around Infinity Tower's site when they started emptied it.



Duh ;)

Jhalsey Ask the question so why are you saying Duh to me. Next time read the quote in my post before you reply. Everyone will be better off. If it was a joke it wasn't funny.

^^ :lol:
:hug:

Isn't it = drilling in English? BTW, the company is Italian owned (now).

no... german language has no standard continous aspect of verbs

no... german language has no standard continous aspect of verbs

And it's not called English. ;)

Jhalsey Ask the question so why are you saying Duh to me. Next time read the quote in my post before you reply. Everyone will be better off. If it was a joke it wasn't funny.

But you also said "I could be wrong"

But this building so far will be the second tallest in the world as its U/C!
first 2 in the same city! WoW!
I love Dubai!!:banana:

But this building so far will be the second tallest in the world as its U/C!
first 2 in the same city! WoW!
I love Dubai!!:banana:

Shanghai Tower, U/C 632m...:)

But you also said "I could be wrong"

I said that about the name of the company, not the meaning of the word,

ok, ur right 3rd tallest tower!
thanks for the correction :)

But if they start the construction of Manara tower in Media city Dubai it will be second ( 650 m)
I've seen it again in AbuDhabi cityscape but I dont know when they will go ahead with it.....maybe never!

24/April/2009

The Pentominium

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It's safe to presume the piling is done.

http://www.gowealthy.com/gowealthy/wcms/en/home/real-estate/uae/dubai/dubai-marina/pentominium/Pentominium-A-071117.avsFiles/Image/PH_Type_A.jpg
http://www.gowealthy.com/gowealthy/wcms/en/home/real-estate/uae/dubai/dubai-marina/pentominium/Pentominium-B-071117.avsFiles/Image/PH_Type_B.jpg
http://www.gowealthy.com/gowealthy/wcms/en/home/real-estate/uae/dubai/dubai-marina/pentominium/Pentominium-C-071117.avsFiles/Image/PH_Type_C.jpg

Price: Starting From 3,5M USD.

starting from...
that means the lower apartments, with "great view" of MAG218, Marina101, 23Marina or other building's windows. :lol:

View or not view, a 600 sqm apartment is still a 600 sqm apartment

^^ Yeah.. You can build one under ground too :lol:

^^ Then you have not seen Manhatan ... it's in New York City

Since you are telling me what i haven't seen I can tell you that you must don't know that nyc (manhatan)is mostly office space not residential :okay:

^^ Oh really? No people lives there, no homes costs up to $150,000,000 there. Great ... here's a cookie.

Talking with you is all pleasure :lol: But..

First: dictionary -> mostly
Second: show me residential apartment in highrise (not house) on the ground level in shadow that cost couple of milions $ in ny. Even if there is one, or two in Pentominium will be many of them and each will cost at least couple of milions. And its just one building. And its not so prestigious place as manhatan is. So... keep your cookie.

^^ I don't understand the Dubai vs Manhattan price comparisons... :dunno:

If we really have to make somme comparisons, we shoud see what can you buy in Dubai with 3.5 M $

my :2cents: If view from above is not important, I saw 700 sqm villas on The Palm with the same money...

^^ What's your problem? Can't swallow the fact that some places far-away can command a 7 digits price while none in your town can?


... and for your info, only in one side there's a tower very close and there are no residential floors on the ground level, it starts from 6 - 7 levels above ... and still 600 sqm: Can't highlight this lil' figure enough.

^^ :nuts: ^^ :nuts:

1. I really don't envy how expensive are "some places far-away" and in my country the apartments are way too expensive anyway... (hope the damn prices will fall even lower)

2. I just wonder why shoud anybody pay 3.5 M $ for an apartment, if up to 40-60 floor the view is bloked by other very tall buildings. (no mather if only one building is very close, the other ones are close enough to block the view). When with the same money you can buy a nice 700 sqm villa, on the Palm, with the beach next to it... (I guess we have different taste, but in my book, the only reason to buy an apartment is the view ... to me, a house is always superior to an apartment on the lower floors, at samme price, samme area.)

^^ What's your problem? Can't swallow the fact that some places far-away can command a 7 digits price while none in your town can?


... and for your info, only in one side there's a tower very close and there are no residential floors on the ground level, it starts from 6 - 7 levels above ... and still 600 sqm: Can't highlight this lil' figure enough.

Its impossible to speak calm with you? What makes you so anger? And I haven't any problem with it. It's the developer problem to sell that low units for for such a price. But we will wait we will see.

And if you can buy 700sqm villa on The Palm for the same money in the same city, i agree, thats the best comparition you can get.

Still, an amazing project guys...

That certainly doesn't look like 192 piles or whatever the amount is supposed to be.

Yeah, I thought about it too. I gues they may be deeper, but i'm not sure this is possible.

I have read about 250 piles but still just few visible,65-70m deep so maybe later we will see more :)

It's safe to presume the piling is done.

Few piles as on photos cannot hold such a massive building. There is certainly more to be build.

But haven't they been working on piles for year allready? They must be... somewhere :nuts:

I dont know why I have bad feeling that this one will never see the light!!

Damn I miss the fight about apartments price in manhattan. Just to clear things up over a million people live in manhattan. And alot of the normal apartment cost up to 3 hundred thousand dollars and thats just for rent. The houses don't cost nearly as much mostly because of the view. I've open many papesr and seen condos going for 10 million dollars and up it crazy out there.

I know a PentHouse is the unit located on the top floor(s) of a building; yet below you can clearly see that they advertise this building will be a 120-floor all PentHouse.

I know it's just merchandising, but, do they base that statetment upon something in particular? Maybe all units have very large terraces or something :dunno:

http://i42.tinypic.com/15df2g.jpg
I guess the top floors of this building will be the Grand Penthouse(s).

^^ if i remember correctly each floor will have only one unit. so because the units take the whole floor its classified as a penthouse.

I just did a search online, found a nice blog entry,

http://blog.luxuryrealestate.com/articles/2009/03/23/creating-new-benchmarks-in-luxury-living-%E2%80%93-the-pentominium-in-dubai-is-expected-to-become-one-the-most-sought-after-addresses-in-the-world

6,500 square feet penthouses. 50" LCD tv's, high end appliances, choice between a baby grand piano or a cocktail bar, full access to the Ferragamo beach club at the World Island, car club membership (wanna borrow a Rolls-Royce Phantom for the weekend anyone?), dedicated concierge service, spas and cigar lounges. :nuts:

And starting around just $5.3 million....

^^ 5 million, but no view up to floor 60-70 or even higher...

Not to mention that it say: starting at (the lower floors), so at level 80 it might cost +10 millions...

Here I made a picture of the future view from around floor 40-50 (probably 7 millions):

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/rez.jpg

Just look at google earth... this building is surounded by 2 rows of other 80-100 floor buildings very close)

This is not the "spectacular ocean view" that they advertise.
(unless you buy a 10 million or more on levels 80-120)

:cheers:

^^ you will get what u pay for! :lol:

^^ 5 million, but no view up to floor 60-70 or even higher...

Not to mention that it say: starting at (the lower floors), so at level 80 it might cost +10 millions...

Here I made a picture of the future view from around floor 40-50 (probably 7 millions):

Just look at google earth... this building is surounded by 2 rows of other 80-100 floor buildings very close)

This is not the "spectacular ocean view" that they advertise.
(unless you buy a 10 million or more on levels 80-120)

:cheers:

You are absolutely right. Anything below floor 70 will have a severely obstructed view of the ocean.:ohno:

I imagine it would be a bit scary living at the top of this tall thin building.

01/May/2009

The Pentominium

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No workers - I guess because it's Friday.

It looks like something is wrong with the piling... Ground looks quite 'rocky'..

This is not the "spectacular ocean view" that they advertise.
(unless you buy a 10 million or more on levels 80-120)

:cheers:

Who are they? ... certanly not the developer.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/rez.jpg



Boah great:nuts:

It is really cool tower! I'm glad it is not on hold like other Dubai projects.

Who are they? ... certanly not the developer.
The Real Estate Companies...

I did not see this render so far:

Pentominium and 23Marina :uh:

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/11693556.jpg

What exactly will be in those balconies? the apartment rooms are on the other side. :dunno:

=O

is Really tall !!


=O !!

Nice =D

That rendering looks sooo real! Very impressive! What program to use to create this rendering?

^^ That was done by malec in Sketchup.

^^ Sketchup? I have done a lot of Sketchup for my interior design works but it isn't good as this one. Did Malec added any programs that do more for this Sketchup?

Sorry off topic here.

i dont think so....

Nice updates ! Still too much work coming... That "¿render?" is cool !

it was built in sketchup and rendered in Podium.

Built in sketchup is right but it was rendered in kerkythea actually. :)

Built in sketchup is right but it was rendered in kerkythea actually. :)

Thanks! :)

Back to the topic.

Built in sketchup is right but it was rendered in kerkythea actually. :)

Fantastic work dude.

:cheers:

I love the renders. It look like the 2 buildings are part of the sky.

I have some more realistic renders but I didn't make a lot of them since they take a long time to make. Here's one.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2893/5smallfk2.jpg

^^

Wow great render, when you have created those buildings, can you just look from any angle at them? And will they be on Google Earth?

Amazing renders! :)

http://uploads.imagup.com/10/1241366700_dubai.jpg


http://pics.imagup.com/04/1241366783_marina.jpg

^^ good render... :cheers: only need 3 towers more. (on the left side)

- Sulafa Tower (285m) - on the left of Marina 101, in front of The Pentominium.

- Marina Pinnacle (260m) and Mag 218 (275m) behind La Reve.

piling started again, I saw a driller there

spires are missing... but realistic renders.

Nice render, what tool did you use?

The Pentominium looks much better from the street than in skyline, due to those balconies...

google earth and google sketchup

:omg:what a slender tower!!!!!

great rendering.....we can see what will be panorama of skyscraper, at marina area on the future...

absolutely beautiful! but... ill believe it when i see it.

06/May/2009

The Pentominum

no piling there, I think I just saw the Marina Arcade driller last time but more sand now:)

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So, they decide to bury it now :nuts:

thats sad...:ohno:

If they had done only test piling, then of course they had to cover the site again, level it and continue with the rest of the piling. You can't operate if there are things sticking up around you.

^^test piling - i hope its true:)

Is it on hold now?

^^ The previous work was all still testing then. Hope they start the real piling now but if it doesn't go on hold I assume it'd be about a month before they start again since they have to analyse their data (if they got any. They smashed up those piles within only a couple of days of revealing them.)

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7623/clipboard01sab.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clipboard01sab.jpg)

It had to be testing. Look at that blue cables, they had to be there for testing purposes. But.. it means they realy just going to... start pilling now (sic). I thought that timetable says they should now start construction, not pilling :ohno: And, are they really going to continue with that project? I think that for 80% they will, but what they have done in last week is just not understandable for me. I mean, look what they have done. Uncover the piles, smash it and then cover with sand again. What for? They still cant drill in the same place where deeper still are parts of testing piles. They even bend piles rods (not cut off!) so now making the future drilling even worse :ohno: And the last thing, why they din't informed us that pilling will take two years, not one. Becouse, really, if they want now to put hundret (or so) piles in the place they probably need another year.. And all that is even more sad when you remind yourself that that is the last worth watching u/c tower in "DA HIGHIEST BLOCK" :ohno:

Every building in that block has totally different design from its neighbors, it's like a museum.:nuts:and why all the buildings there have small base, I thought the higher the building the bigger the base needed.

08/May/2009

The Pentominium

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... why all the buildings there have small base, I thought the higher the building the bigger the base needed.

When the masterplan for the area was completed and the plots were sold to the private developers with "unlimited height", no one ever thought it would develop into "mine is bigger then yours" race among them. :lol:

What are they going to do with those pipes? Are the not in the way?

15/May/2009

The Pentominium

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every photo update from imre about the pentominium is a surprise.

last time it looks like they close the hole with sand. now the grab a huge hole, and it looks like the final piles are done (no pile testing anymore). :cheers:

^^ Actually, i think that those piles whe can see now, are the same couple (not houndrest), wich higher parts have been just smashed. But who knows what the true is? Last few weeks brought us suprising news indeed..

Nice to know the construction is in progress despite the world recession.

Is that space big enough for such building? As see on the rendering below.

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/640/52843474tf7.jpg

marina 2003

http://pics.imagup.com/04/1242419795_Image3.jpg

marina 2006

http://uploads.imagup.com/10/1242419724_Image5.jpg


:nuts:

^^ well its 2009 now... :) how's it lookin?

They are photo of google earth then last image are of 2006 which would know when satelite hand on to dubai???

AFAIK, the piling is done. Excavating the pit now:cheers:

That's great news! :)

They are photo of google earth then last image are of 2006 which would know when satelite hand on to dubai???

Actually most of the photo's including this one is taken from an airplane, not from a satellite. But they don't update too frequently.

We would have everything details them of the world with hubble ^^

the tile of a house if he prenné photo of the earth with hubble ^^

???

Actually most of the photo's including this one is taken from an airplane, not from a satellite. But they don't update too frequently.

Actually, almost all of the aerial images we have of Dubai, especially the ones on Google Maps, are taken from a satellite owned by Digital Globe corporation. The sensor on that satellite has 1 meter per pixel resolution, and it actually usually takes usable images of Dubai once every month or two. But most of them are never bought by Google or by anyone else who releases the full resolution versions.

nice compare anyway...only 3 years *2003-2006 the different can see clear enough...

Nice to know the construction is in progress despite the world recession.

Is that space big enough for such building? As see on the rendering below.

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/640/52843474tf7.jpg

The Pentominium's size is grossly exaggerated in this picture. The Pentominium is about 50% taller than the Princess Tower to the far left. But, in this picture, the Pentonium looks 3 times taller than the Princes Tower. The Pentonium is exaggerated by a factor of 3 in this picture.

^^I think they made the mistake of the roof height VS architectural height, but according to this picture, (you can see The Harbour Hotel & Residence, which is 256m) its heigh is almost right, around 600-650m

The Pentominium's size is grossly exaggerated in this picture. The Pentominium is about 50% taller than the Princess Tower to the far left. But, in this picture, the Pentonium looks 3 times taller than the Princes Tower. The Pentonium is exaggerated by a factor of 3 in this picture.

That's not the Princess Tower.

^^ first this fact and the second thing is, off course developers are exeggarating, they will sell their product and make it more attractive on adverts what renders particularly are.

^^ Actually it's not exaggerating at all. That building mistaken for the Princess Tower (Emirates Marina Serviced Apartments) is 254 meters tall, so the Pentominum not counting the spire will be just over twice as tall. When you take into account that it's slightly closer in that render, you discover that it is a perfectly accurate render, and not exaggerated in the least.

^^ wtf? than this is the first time i realised HOW TALL this thing gonna be! And on the render the spire is missing,that makes it better.

he is pretty as the majority!

^^ Actually it's not exaggerating at all. That building mistaken for the Princess Tower (Emirates Marina Serviced Apartments) is 254 meters tall, so the Pentominum not counting the spire will be just over twice as tall. When you take into account that it's slightly closer in that render, you discover that it is a perfectly accurate render, and not exaggerated in the least.

Actually it is. Compare it with the 215 m tall tower nearby, and it will make the Pentominium looking like it is at least 600 meters tall ... which is still just a 15% exaggeration. :D

22/May/2009

The Pentominium

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They're allot of piles :D

That project become even more crazy now. So how they've done it ? It seems that piles were i in place all the time. But then, how they were able to dig there :nuts: ? I supose one posibility is that they pour concrete only to lower parts of piles, and fill higher parts with sand or something neutral for diggers.

piling done just they need to dig more:)

I have the feeling that they will continue with this one without putting it temporarly on hold. I am so excited to see, how they will build those "balconies", the roof feature and if they will build an antenna which will be pushed upwards! This project will be after the Burj Dubai is finished, my next favourite project UC!

IMRE many many many thanks for this enourmos update!!!

That project become even more crazy now. So how they've done it ? It seems that piles were i in place all the time. But then, how they were able to dig there :nuts: ? I supose one posibility is that they pour concrete only to lower parts of piles, and fill higher parts with sand or something neutral for diggers.

From my observation of a few hundreds construction sites:

They dig a hole in stages and fill it with a viscose liquid that prevent the sand/earth around the dog hole to collapse into it, and then they dig further adding more liquid in the process. Sometime they also stick metal tubes for the same reason, but only if the piles are not that long.

Once the entire hole (in this case up to 60 meters deep) is dug, they lower inside the metal caissons and pump concrete inside. The pumped concrete being heavier then the liquid, goes straight to the bottom pushing it out of the hole. The liquid is then collected and reused for the other pile. They pump concrete up to the depth they want the pile cap to be so the walls around the rest of the hole on top of the pile cap will collapse once the remaining liquid is pumped out.

Basically: If you want to put 60 meters long piles and the raft would be 10 meters below grade, then you other dig a 10 meters deep hole and face the logistic nightmare of lifting up from there the super heavy pile rigs and crawling cranes once job is done ... or you dig a 70 meter deep hole (well) from the ground level and lower inside 60 meters long (in parts) metal caissons and pump concrete till it reaches 10 meters from the top of the well. Repeat the same for each pile and you're done. Then dug the hole with the much lighter excavators that can be easily lifted up when work is done.

I guess you get the idea. ;)

^^ What i've said in one sentence ;) apart from the fact that it was not necessery to fill higher part with sand. But i've never seen such method before.

this won't be completed before shanghai tower or china 117 tower right?

^^ It has the potentials to be completed before them if the developer has all the funds needed for s speedy construction process.

Pentominium is now U/C after being "on hold".
I was wondering: there is a direct link with the rush of financial markets last few weeks, and the restart of Pentominium (and others projects in Dubai)?

Sry for my english

Pentominium is now U/C after being "on hold".
I was wondering: there is a direct link with the rush of financial markets last few weeks, and the restart of Pentominium (and others projects in Dubai)?

Sry for my english

It wasn't actually on hold, just speculation that it might be in the future.

From my observation of a few hundreds construction sites:

They dig a hole in stages and fill it with a viscose liquid that prevent the sand/earth around the dog hole to collapse into it, and then they dig further adding more liquid in the process. Sometime they also stick metal tubes for the same reason, but only if the piles are not that long.

Once the entire hole (in this case up to 60 meters deep) is dug, they lower inside the metal caissons and pump concrete inside. The pumped concrete being heavier then the liquid, goes straight to the bottom pushing it out of the hole. The liquid is then collected and reused for the other pile. They pump concrete up to the depth they want the pile cap to be so the walls around the rest of the hole on top of the pile cap will collapse once the remaining liquid is pumped out.

Basically: If you want to put 60 meters long piles and the raft would be 10 meters below grade, then you other dig a 10 meters deep hole and face the logistic nightmare of lifting up from there the super heavy pile rigs and crawling cranes once job is done ... or you dig a 70 meter deep hole (well) from the ground level and lower inside 60 meters long (in parts) metal caissons and pump concrete till it reaches 10 meters from the top of the well. Repeat the same for each pile and you're done. Then dug the hole with the much lighter excavators that can be easily lifted up when work is done.

I guess you get the idea. ;)

Altin well done that is exactly how its done. The liquid is called bentonite and the long pipe to put concrete at the bottom of the pile forcing the bentonite out is called a tremmie pipe

Pentominium, by me.

http://i44.tinypic.com/25rjvr5.jpg

So whats the tallest spire record? is it the Sears tower?

^^
i'm not sure, but the sears isn't considered a spire because it serves a purpose. that's why both patronas towers and taipei 101 were held statuses as world's tallest buildings. :tiasd:


btw, excellent render, addiction. i'm saving that one. :)

Worderful building....nice look.

After looking the first page, I just realize the location: in Dubai Marina :nuts:
With Princess Tower and the others supertall, it's going to look amazing. :)

how much do these condos cost?

http://i40.tinypic.com/20r5yeo.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/1z4y2ph.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/ejt182.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/2dqorpj.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/29xzwpw.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/2ly5t2b.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/1zmgops.jpg

Maybe we need a sticky on this one once construction gets going as it will be the 2nd tallest building in the World.

Apart from Shanghai Tower?

last pic of the interior pics is funny. the woman without legs and body...:lol:

last pic of the interior pics is funny. the woman without legs and body...:lol:

And. .. top less! :banana:

how if thats not a woman...??*

anyway the rendering picture its representative of luxury....at high floors...

WOW at these beautiful renderings!!! Who is the interior designer(s) for that project?

Is there anyone on this tread that plans to move in? If so, can you invite me and show me around?

Those renders remind me of those sci fi stories you'd read and they would talk about a very tall building where you could pretty much see anything.

Salvatore Ferragamo is designing the top Penthouses, but i don't know if he is involved in the design of other parts of the tower.

IS there any counter that close to the swimming pool itself? (in the last pic)

Pentominium can beat BD to better view of the artif islands.

29/May/2009

The Pentominium

http://i40.tinypic.com/2ahb1p3.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/1zfu90i.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/2056rh2.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/2hq877b.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/s63foz.jpg

A first-rate interior design is on the cards it would appear.

Serves as a pretty big inspiration for the novice/enthusiast out there too i would imagine.

^^ Thanks Imre, work continues! :)

nice up date.....

It will be hard to wait until it begins to climb..... :)

thanks for the update. really liking this one :)

I love this project, it is quite possibly the best contemporary skyscraper design ever. but i will believe it when i see it. it just seems to good to be true. anyone else have that feeling?

when is this thing expected to beggin rising?

end of the year i guess

just.........unbelieveable

Not less than 4-6 years for now to T/O
Thats not very soon!

Not less than 4-6 years for now to T/O
Thats not very soon!

That sounds about right! If you consider how long Burj Dubai took to go 800 meters (6 years?) then 4 to 5 years would seem normal process for a 500 meter building.

That sounds about right! If you consider how long Burj Dubai took to go 800 meters (6 years?) then 4 to 5 years would seem normal process for a 500 meter building.

The whole 830 - 840 meters of structure of Burj Dubai took exactly 4 years to be completed.

They started work above the raft on early 2005.

June 5th, 2005

http://i40.tinypic.com/28i2k3r.jpg

For now is just a hole in the ground... I doubt it will rise above ground this year... :shifty:

nice up date picture...

Nothing special... it wont be very inspiring even if the ther biggies get built. =/

05/June/2009

The Pentominium

http://i40.tinypic.com/2q0j0k3.jpg

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http://i40.tinypic.com/2mct1nd.jpg

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http://i40.tinypic.com/669fsx.jpg

12/June/2009

The Pentominium

http://i41.tinypic.com/2akixk7.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zvcv3q.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/2a0nrwx.jpg

Not much happening here. Waiting for the main contractor it seams.

They are still breaking pile caps though

^^ One per week is not much

Not much happening here. Waiting for the main contractor it seams.


The pics do not show what is happening behind the wall.

I guess its true, this tower seem will not start rising any time before next year!
Its a very big project, bigger than anything around probably worldwide!(after BD and the Guanghzou tower). So its just normal to take alot more preparation time.

I guess its true, this tower seem will not start rising any time before next year!
Its a very big project, bigger than anything around probably worldwide!(after BD and the Guanghzou tower). So its just normal to take alot more preparation time.

Guangzhou Tower is nearly complete, I'd put Tokyo Sky Tower in that list. And don't forget Shanghai Tower.

It's nice to see that construction has already begun, I can't await to see this building when it's complete, it is a real beauty.
Btw, with Chicago Spire now on-hold, is Pentominium more likely to be topped out earlier?

^^ Definately. Also if CS wasn't on hold at this stage Pentominium would top out earlier. Construction speed in Dubai is quicker than in US, for sure.

^^ Definately. Also if CS wasn't on hold at this stage Pentominium would top out earlier. Construction speed in Dubai is quicker than in US, for sure.

Not necessarily...

The US and Dubai both have towers that seem to crawl along, and others that just shoot up overnight. That darn 16 acre site in manhattan does screw with people's perceptions of America's construction speed.

This is one of the cheap labour advantage of course!

15/June/2009

The Pentominium

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3008/imresoltdubaiphotos073.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/imresoltdubaiphotos073.jpg/)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3274/imresoltdubaiphotos066.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/imresoltdubaiphotos066.jpg/)

Not necessarily...

The US and Dubai both have towers that seem to crawl along, and others that just shoot up overnight. That darn 16 acre site in manhattan does screw with people's perceptions of America's construction speed.

:lol: Ok, maybe I'm a little infected by what I see in NY.. Damn that's slow... But I know that's not normal. I think because of the far easier floorplates and probably an easier construction method and because they are ahead in Dubai compared to the CS, that Pentominium will be finished earlier. At least if construction continues.

pentomonium also has a spire where cs has fully used floors ;-) you cant compare these two towers, one is a 600m tower, the other one is a 500m tower with a 100m spire

pentomonium also has a spire where cs has fully used floors ;-) you cant compare these two towers, one is a 600m tower, the other one is a 500m tower with a 100m spire

Thats right , big difference.
CS earns it height honestly, with no "height cheater" bolted on the side.
If it looked like it was part of the tower, it would be OK.

Thats right , big difference.
CS earns it height honestly, with no "height cheater" bolted on the side.
If it looked like it was part of the tower, it would be OK.

The big difference:

Pentominium: U/C

CS: ON HOLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

^^ Exactly what i want to say :) Pentominium is not as big challenge as cs is, but at least it is still going forward well. Its like with that illinois (or however it was called) tower, yeah it was going to be 1600m or something. But only was going to, and never build. So thats no point comparing tower witch is going to be build, and one that is only on paper.

the panorama from upper view its great...looks like took picture from level 40...

^^ Exactly what i want to say :) Pentominium is not as big challenge as cs is, but at least it is still going forward well. Its like with that illinois (or however it was called) tower, yeah it was going to be 1600m or something. But only was going to, and never build. So thats no point comparing tower witch is going to be build, and one that is only on paper.
For now, CS is more advanced in construction than TP, let's hope it won't go on hold... :shifty:

^^ I didn't say cs will never be build. But nothing will change the fact that pentominium is going forward well in crisis time, when cs whaits for better time. So anybody saying that "cs earns its hight honestly" simply missed the point, becouse all it earns now is something around -10m right?

^^

Only foundation is partly done. Nothing above ground yet.

is it only me who thinks its going quite slow ?

is it only me who thinks its going quite slow ?

You're definetly not the only one.

This time hurts! But if it go slow - it's much better than no progress !!

My own opinion ( and usualy am very optimistic!) neither this one or CS will raies up in at least couple of years!!

^^+1

Sorry but... what is CS? :?

:D cs - shicago spire

^^ I didn't say cs will never be build. But nothing will change the fact that pentominium is going forward well in crisis time, when cs whaits for better time. So anybody saying that "cs earns its hight honestly" simply missed the point, becouse all it earns now is something around -10m right?

by your own logic the pentomium still doesnt earn its height. you just gave it another reason. both projects are still holes in the ground. this project still has a very good chance of being put on hold. so until i see some actual floors rising into the air im not gonna hold my breath on completion. the CS still has a pretty good chance of finishing up before this one cause the foundation is already done.
the whole point of CS earning its height is it doesnt use a spire like this one does so you missed the point whether or not CS is on hold doesnt matter.

i say civilisation crashes ans none of both gets built, so theyre even :-P

whether or not CS is on hold doesnt matter.

It does matter. I would draw you a 1km tower and then say its better than cs. But it isnt since nobody are able to build it. Ok right, cs earns its hight honestly as a design. But what i was saying is that is no point comparing projects, that one is u/c and another would be onhold for next couple years and and would restart in much better atmosphere. And that last thing does matter a lot when you want to compare any projects. Its a little bit like comparing esb (witch was build in very bad times) with for exp wtc, and saying witch is better. I thing you get the point.

And if pentominium will be puted on hold, i of course will change my mind, but not for now.

:D cs - shicago spire


Damn, you're right, I didn't think about that
Sorry :D

Damn, you're right, I didn't think about that
Sorry :D

Finally someone spelled out what CS is!!!:banana:

^^ Haha, what a fail :lol: at least not in my language :P of course Chicago spire ;)

There is no Chicago Spire, only the Chicago Hole ;)

Is there any info on how much of the Pentominininiumium is actually sold yet? If it's less than the Chicago Hole, we've not right to take the piss.

Yet... ;)

Is there any info on how much of the Pentominininiumium is actually sold yet? If it's less than the Chicago Hole, we've not right to take the piss.

Yet... ;)

I recall reading the developer reported pretty robust sales (I believe well over 50%, maybe even close to 75% pre-sold). If true, then this will have no trouble being built.

http://www.lussoluxury.com/content.asp/read-130072007132826/Matt_Watkinson_visits_another_fantastic_development_in_Dubai.html

This article reports 80% of the units already sold.

Do they want to wait until they have sold all the penthouses before beginning to grow up or is there no link between that 2 things?

(And if there is no link, what are they currently doing in their big hole)?

26/June/2009

The Pentominium

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http://i39.tinypic.com/3463y3a.jpg

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im not sure what the tubes 30 foot above the ground are for ?

im not sure what the tubes 30 foot above the ground are for ?

They're there so the foundation walls don't collapse.

Not sewers then?

They're there so the foundation walls don't collapse.

I don't get that either! It looks like they uncovered and discovered them. It does not look like they created it. They unearth these cinlindar findings and not sure what to do now? :ohno:

I don't get that either! It looks like they uncovered and discovered them. It does not look like they created it. They unearth these cinlindar findings and not sure what to do now? :ohno:

stupid post:bash: if you look at every big excavation you see this braces. so if someon give's a answear to the question say thanks and don't post stupid thinks like sewers!!! ( btw how manny sewer pipes next to eashottter are needed do you think that's correct one or two max. but maybe where youre from they shit a lot more :nuts:

stupid post:bash: if you look at every big excavation you see this braces. so if someon give's a answear to the question say thanks and don't post stupid thinks like sewers!!! ( btw how manny sewer pipes next to eashottter are needed do you think that's correct one or two max. but maybe where youre from they shit a lot more :nuts:

Stupid post? I can't even understand you. Half of your words are misspelled and I really have no idea what you are talking about. Also, learn to read better! "Sewers" was never mentioned. Your post is completely useless.

That being said, I did see one useful word. It does make sense that some type of "Braces" to control the ground area. If so, I assume they already dig up that area, placed the braces down, then did a fill up in one section. Then they can go dig deeper in sections without worrying about the sides caving in, etc. If you explained something like that to us, then it would have been a very useful post. Anyway, I do not know how it works and hoping someone on these forums can properly explain it.

Looks like little to no progress over the last 2 weeks.

^^ No main contractor = no progress

Senju san this is the process of creating a foundation :) I'm sorry for the other mad persons that can't talk nicer ..anyway the progress is slow due to some contracts not signed for the time being ... 　宜しくお願いします

I'm just in residential construction and we do have to brace up the footings
and foundations in order to be backfilled. That's a lot of heavy equipment
operating around the perimeter of the walls. As for "little mob's little input", I
kant tel twat hime ist taying ether. :)

26/June/2009

The Pentominium


http://i43.tinypic.com/1115seu.jpg


They are waveing ? :shifty: Or they are angry about a digital camera?

I like the desing a lot!

Anyway, the structural enginers (HYDER) are shopping around for special steel to be used in the project.

They are waveing ? :shifty: Or they are angry about a digital camera?

they are not angry , they like the camera:)

They are waveing ? :shifty: Or they are angry about a digital camera?

No, they are shielding themselves from the paparazzi!

02/July/2009

The Pentominium

http://i42.tinypic.com/538hvr.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/25ewho9.jpg

One more time, very nice and interesting shots. Thank you very much.

A very simple question: are some workers on Pentominium's site?

Good.Beautiful building

There's not a lot of free space around the tower, this is going to be a tricky construction. I'd hate to be the guy (firm) responsible for the logistics and scheduling.