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Prometheus
July 4th, 2005, 01:18 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4645687.stm

Greek leader to make Turkey visit

Greek Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis has accepted an invitation to visit Turkey, underlining closer ties.

It will be the first official visit by a serving Greek head of government for more than 40 years.

It was confirmed as Mr Karamanlis and Turkish PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan met at the common border to launch the construction of a joint gas pipeline.

The project is designed to transport Caspian and Central Asian natural gas to Europe and be operational next year.

The pipeline will stretch for 300km (186 miles) between the two countries, most of it on Turkish soil.

The project is estimated to cost less than $18m.

Both leaders stressed its historic significance.

It is symbolic of what both countries see as an end to years of deep mutual distrust, says the BBC's Jonny Dymond in Istanbul.

Former foes

Less than 10 years ago, the two countries came close to war.

Each nation was born under the occupation of the other. Forced population exchanges between the two left a legacy of bitterness, our correspondent says.

There are still disputes over air space and territorial waters.

Many in Greece would also like to see the Orthodox Church, which is based in Istanbul, freed from some of the restrictions of the Turkish state.

But last year, Mr Erdogan paid an official visit to Athens for the first time in 16 years.

The last Greek prime minister to visit Turkey in an official capacity was Constantinos Karamanlis, the uncle of the present premier, in 1959, reports the AFP news agency.


http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/theworld/2005/July/theworld_July73.xml&section=theworld
Turkish, Greek PM inaugurate construction of key gas pipeline
(AP)

3 July 2005

IPSALA BORDER CROSSING, Turkey - The Turkish and Greek prime ministers met on Sunday on a bridge across the river that divides their countries to launch a joint construction project to connect rich natural gas fields in the Caspian and Central Asia to energy-hungry markets in Europe.


The project is also a sign that relations between the two bitter historical rivals is warming.

The 300-kilometer (186-mile) pipeline from Bursa in Turkey to Komotini in Greece is expected to be operational in 2006, and will later be extended to Italy as part of an extensive pipeline initiative known as the Southern Europe Gas Ring Project.

The Greek-Turkish pipeline is expected to carry 11.5 billion cubic meters (405 billion cubic feet) of gas per year once connections are made to other planned pipelines, and as demand for Caspian gas - an alternative energy source to the politically volatile Middle East - expands in coming years.

The pipeline should also help diversify resources at a time when oil and gas prices are soaring.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Prime Minister Costas Caramanlis of Greece met at the middle of a bridge over the Meric River - which is called the Evros River in Greece and serves as a border between the two countries - to formally launch construction for the pipeline.

A Greek boy and a Turkish boy exchanged flags.

“This pipeline is connecting two countries and two people together,” Caramanlis said. “But most important of all, it is the first and key link in the Southern Europe Gas Ring Project.”

The pipeline “is important not just the two countries but for also the countries beyond both ends of the pipeline,” said Leo Drollas, chief economist at the Center for Global Energy Studies in London.

Turkey in recent years have been trying to expand its role as an energy conduit, connecting Europe to the oil and gas riches of the Caspian and Central Asia.

In May, the presidents of Georgia, Turkey and Azerbaijan opened a pipeline that will transport up to 1 million barrels a day of Caspian oil and gas through the southern Turkish port of Ceyhan.

The Baku-Ceyhan pipeline as well as the pipeline inaugurated Sunday help broaden supplies and are also significant because they bring Caspian oil and gas to the West without going through Russia, which has been an aim of the United States.

“Turkey is a bridge between Europe and rich (oil and gas) resources in the Caspian region and the southern Mediterranean, when the diversification of oil and gas resources in the European energy market is in question,” Erdogan said.

Both leaders referred to improving relations between their countries.

“This (project) will help strengthen our friendship and put an end to speculation” about Greek-Turkish ties, Erdogan said.

Caramanlis said, “This is a very important development which shows both countries can cooperate like never before.”

NATO allies, Greece and Turkey have been at odds over the war-divided island of Cyprus, as well as over airspace and sea boundaries in the Aegean.

Greek and Turkish diplomats have held regular meetings in an effort to resolve their disputes, and Greece, a member of the European Union since 1981, has become one of the most vocal supporters of Turkey’s own contentious EU bid, believing that relations between the two neighbors can only improve as Turkey becomes more attuned to European norms.

Skaros
July 4th, 2005, 01:24 AM
Προμηθέα υπάρχει και το αντίστοιχο thread στο τουρκικό forum , ρίξε μια ματιά και εκεί! :)
Από ότι είδα και ο γεροπλάτανος έχει δημοσιεύσει τα σχετικά , θα του στείλω ένα PM να τα κάνει και εδώ post.

oakland_PA
July 4th, 2005, 01:50 AM
that's what I call great news :okay: I hope continuing close relations reach higher point and advance more with such events.

Prometheus
July 4th, 2005, 04:19 AM
Skaros, nai to eida phile. Alla den kano post sto forum afto. I have my reasons.

IMO a true peace can be achieved through the convergence of interests between the 2 nations. Economic especially. States are more inclined to logic and moderation when there their interests depend on it.

Tekir
July 4th, 2005, 08:42 AM
Prometheus. when are you converting to Fenerbahce?

I will give you 1000s of Gyros. ;)

Taha
July 4th, 2005, 10:22 AM
Great news.

Thanks God :)

LEAFS FANATIC
July 4th, 2005, 03:25 PM
Skaros, nai to eida phile. Alla den kano post sto forum afto. I have my reasons.

IMO a true peace can be achieved through the convergence of interests between the 2 nations. Economic especially. States are more inclined to logic and moderation when there their interests depend on it.


Prometheus, you are correct. But is this a "true" peace or friendship? All such a business co-operation achieves is what you state: an increase in logic and moderation since the two countries' interests depend on it. However, does such a project change people's attitudes about eachother or the vast cultural differences that exist between them? I think the only way for a true friendship to develop is for tourism to increase between the two countries. That way, people get to see how their neighbors live and a trust slowly builds.

prasinos
November 5th, 2006, 01:10 PM
To ergo bainei sthn telikh eutheia!

http://www.naftemporiki.gr/news/static/06/11/04/1261988.htm

:)

savas
November 5th, 2006, 01:31 PM
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prasinos
November 5th, 2006, 09:57 PM
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Syggnwmh, den to hxera!

Prometheus
March 16th, 2007, 02:42 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-03-15-oil-pipeline_N.htm?csp=34


Russia, Greece, Bulgaria to build major pipeline

ATHENS (AP) — Russia, Greece and Bulgaria signed a deal Thursday to build a 175-mile pipeline to transport Russian oil to a port in northern Greece.

The pipeline from Bulgaria's Black Sea port of Burgas will transport crude to the port of Alexandroupolis. The project will improve networks in southeastern Europe that transport oil and gas from the Caspian Sea region to the European Union.

Russian President Vladimir Putin had threatened to scrap the deal unless economic disputes were quickly resolved.

Russia already provides other parts of Europe with a third of its oil and 40% of its natural gas, and the pipeline deal is likely to deepen that dependence on energy from Moscow, whose reliance as a supplier has been questioned.

Leaders in western Europe have talked of diversifying the continent's energy sources after several disruptions in supplies from Russia that resulted from price disputes between Moscow and former Soviet republics that serve as transit routes.

First conceived in 1993, the $1.2 billion Burgas-Alexandroupolis pipeline will link the Black Sea to the Mediterranean, avoiding Turkey's crowded Bosphorus strait. :cheers:

Russian firms will control a 51% stake in the venture, including infrastructure like pumping stations, storage facilities and loading docks, leaving EU-members Bulgaria and Greece with 24.5% each.

The Russian consortium is made up of state oil company OAO Rosneft, pipeline monopoly Transneft, and a subsidiary of state-controlled gas giant OAO Gazprom.

The conduit will channel 700,000 barrels of oil a day to Greece, and has potential capacity of 1 million barrels.

Joining Putin at Thursday's signing ceremony were Prime Ministers Costas Karamanlis of Greece and Sergei Stanishev of Bulgaria.

Putin traveled to Greece from Italy, where he endorsed several bilateral energy agreements.

"This pipeline demonstrates how all countries can benefit, not just in the Balkans but in Europe," Putin said. "Our work was in a spirit of cooperation friendship and partnership between the three countries."

Karamanlis said the deal "will benefit all three countries, and it puts Greece and Bulgaria on the world energy map."

"It will also help international markets with improved access to oil at a time when energy is a fundamental global concern," he said.

Claudia Kemfert, an analyst at the German Institute for Economic Research, cautioned that such pipeline deals increase dependence on a single source of energy.

"You get a strengthening of supply, but it can create higher dependency and other problems," Kemfert said, speaking by telephone from Berlin. "You always have a trade-off. ... To avoid this we need more diversification on the supply side, and to be less dependent on Russian energy."

"We need to look more to the global market ... but pipelines are not that flexible," he said.

On Monday, Matthew Bryza, U.S. deputy assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, visited Athens and expressed support for the pipeline.

But he added: "Where we are focusing most urgently now is diversification of gas supply ... away from its one primary supplier, Gazprom."

U.S. officials want Greece to prioritize gas from Azerbaijan in a natural gas network being built from Central Asia to Greece through Turkey that is due to continue onto Italy after 2011.

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.



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LEAFS FANATIC
March 16th, 2007, 03:26 PM
I cannot begin to stress the importance of this deal.

Great news for Hellas!

gm2263
March 16th, 2007, 03:33 PM
I subscribe to your statement Leafs. The benefits from this deal are invaluable, not only for northern Greece which will see a tremendous boost in its regional economy, but also for the rest of Greece. Allow me to say that this is the biggest event since the Olympics for our country. If we can stand above the microcosm of our petty interests, we will see that this is the future...

Bravo to the officials of the three countries that made this deal a reality...

Brad
March 16th, 2007, 08:26 PM
Bravo to the officials of the three countries that made this deal a reality...This treaty could have been signed 10 years ago. The project must have had powerful obstacles...

pilotos
March 16th, 2007, 09:06 PM
This treaty could have been signed 10 years ago. The project must have had powerful obstacles...

Better late than never!

LEAFS FANATIC
March 16th, 2007, 10:17 PM
This treaty could have been signed 10 years ago. The project must have had powerful obstacles...


More than you know of my friend! More than you know of.....

The thing is, as soon a sthe deal was signed, the media in the UK and USA put a spin on it that "infighting" in the Greek, Russian, and Bulgarian parliaments caused the 10 year old delay. Reality is, there was a LOT of pressure by the good ol' USA and to an almost equal extent, our neighbors to the east, to not have this project planned as we see it today.

I work in the oil industry and I know these statements to be fact. It is a dirty game.

neorion
March 17th, 2007, 12:43 PM
I work in the oil industry and I know these statements to be fact. It is a dirty game.
Without a doubt, OIL = POWER.

Greece is an oil producing power, the good oil that is, olive oil...:D

Angelos
March 17th, 2007, 05:59 PM
eleos,pigame na taisoume ton putin me ligmeno kreas.....eleos,giname diefnos rezili pali

MetroGuardian
March 17th, 2007, 07:42 PM
Η κυβέρνηση ενήργησε σωστά, αφού έστειλε τον ΕΦΕΤ στο Διόνυσο για να ελέγξει τα κρέατα. Άρα καλώς πράξαμε και προλάβαμε στο τσακ. Φαντάζεστε να είχαμε τον Πούτιν σε κανένα νοσοκομείο από χαλασμένο κρέας?

....
Μετά από έκτακτο προληπτικό έλεγχο που διεξήγαγε ο ΕΦΕΤ στο εστιατόριο στις 14/3 πριν το δείπνο των κκ Καραμανλή περισσότερες πληροφοριές, Πούτιν, Στάνισεφ και των συζύγων τους εντοπίστηκαν περίπου εκατό κιλά ακατάλληλου κρέατος καθώς και ληγμένες τυροκροκέτες.
http://news.antenna.gr/articleDetail/0,3091,154466,00.html



Επίσης δεν ξέρω αν γίνεται πάντα αλλά μια επιπλέον σωστή κίνηση ήταν η εξής:
«Οι πρώτες ύλες που χρησιμοποιήθηκαν για το δείπνο του πρωθυπουργού Κώστα Καραμανλή με τον πρόεδρο της Ρωσίας, Βλάντιμιρ Πούτιν, προέρχονταν αποκλειστικά και μόνο από το Μαξίμου», διευκρίνισε το πρωθυπουργικό γραφείο μετά τη δημοσιοποίηση των αποτελεσμάτων του ελέγχου του ΕΦΕΤ στο εστιατόριο «Διόνυσος».


http://www.agrotypos.gr/news/news_show.asp?AA=12286

Άρα ρεζίλι έγινε ο ιδιοκτήτης, η Ελλάδα φέρθηκε άψογα και προστάτεψε τον επισκέπτη της


Τώρα το πόσο γελοίος μπορεί να είναι ο ιδιοκτήτης του Διονύσου, προφανώς η νοημοσύνη του δεν πρέπει να του επιτρέπει να το κατανοήσει στην πλήρη έκταση του.

Sodnal
March 18th, 2007, 06:16 AM
Great news, but lets not rest on our laurels. What's the next project? Word has it that Russia wants to put a natural gas pipeline through Greece. Hope so.

DIONGRECO
June 6th, 2007, 02:50 AM
I Ellada prepei na anaptiksei pio stenes tis sxeseis tis me tin Rossia.

Auti i sumfwnia pisteuw pws einai mia kali arxi gia tin xwra mas.