FRANKFURT | Projects & Construction

[Patrick]

EDIT: I put some pictures in, where they are available

http://hometown.aol.de/nocheinwebname/Unbenannt2.jpg

in this picture, you can see:

blue = under construction

Opernturm 170m
http://beta.opernturm.biz/uploads/tx_prmopernturmpresse/OpernTurm.jpg???

FFHV I 120m
FFHV II 90m
http://www.khing.de/upload/fhv_viewzeil04d49023.jpg?
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5200/45jm.jpg

bluegreen = under renovation

DZ-Bank 95m > Parktower 115m
=> see Opernturm picture, to the right of Opernturm and behind the opera

blueorange = planned renovation

Henninger Turm ~120m
http://www.mainfeld.de/content/vis/v0501_PAS_HT2_allee.jpg

orange = new proposals

Marieninsel ~220-250m
http://www.koehler-architekten.de/old_web/aktuell_img/faz_04_05_29.jpg

Campanile ~160-200m

Degussa I (WinX) ~150-170m
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1914/winxgb7.jpg

ECB 184m
http://www.coop-himmelblau.at//images/projects/ezb/800x600/ezb0.jpg

Poseidonhaus ~160-170m

Osthafenmole ~140m

Matthäusgemeinde ~130m

Hafentunnel I ~100m
Hafentunnel II ~100m
Hafentunnel III ~100m

Stiftstraße ~100m

Allianz ~90m

Europagarten I ~90m
Europagarten II ~90m
Europagarten III ~90m
Europagarten IV ~90m

Emserbrücke I ~50-60m
Emserbrücke II ~50-60m
Emserbrücke III ~70-90m
Emserbrücke IV ~70-90m
Emserbrücke V ~70-90m

Degussa II ~70-80m

Turmpalast I ~80m
Turmpalast II ~50m

Bockenheim-Campus I ~50-140m
Bockenheim-Campus II ~50-140m
Bockenheim-Campus III ~50-140m
Bockenheim-Campus IV ~50-140m

yellow = projects from the old Rahmenplan (here, there are only picutres on the projects which had recent news. those where we didn't hear any news for years, are without render in this thread)

Millenium Tower 369m

MAX 228m

UEC I 210m (the blue one; the red one is UEC II)
http://www.vivico.de/images/img794.jpg

FraSpa 197m
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/2808/nm5ug9.jpg

Bahndirektion 185m

Metzler 175m

Telenorma 160m

UEC II 160m
=> see UEC I

Ehem. Polizeipräsidium 145m

Kaiserkarree 135m
http://hometown.aol.de/RadioD3/Kaiserkarree+Frankfurt3.jpg

LZB 134m

green = built and higher than 90m

Commerzbank 259m
Messeturm 257m
DZ-Bank 208m
Main Tower 200m
Trianon 186m
Dresdner Bank 166m
Plaza Büro Center 159m
Deutsche Bank I 155m
Deutsche Bank II 155m
Skyper 154m
Eurotower 148m
Selmi-Hochhaus 143m
FBC 142m
Gallileo 136m
Pollux 130m
Garden Towers 127m
Messe Torhaus 117m
Japan-Center 115m
Westhafen-Tower 112m
IBC 112m
Eurotheum 110m
BCN 110m
Commerzbank 109m
WestendDuo 96m
Hochhaus am Park 96m
Kastor 95m
Hafenstr. 51 93m
IBCF 93m
Union Investment 93m
Citibank 89m
Mainplaza 88m

greenred = will be demolished

AfE-Turm 116m


the black lines are the borders of the photo of the modell posted below


let's hope they'll build as much as possible ;)

and: there are no new renderings yet, so I can't show you some pics

EDIT: I am a bit lazy, a new tower has been announced, which is not in that map, but HD presented it on the 2nd page of this thread:

New DZ-Bank Building, ~180m

[Patrick]

here are two scans by CYstillFI, showing a map from the Frankfurter Allgemein Zeitung and a photo of the model, anounced today in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3638643466383931.jpg

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/6162313164373033.jpg

[lpioe]

Didn't know there are so many projects for Frankfurt, thanks for the info.
While Frankfurt skyline always had great towers, it lacked density from some angles. Hope this will change now.

[ChrisZwolle]

Frankfurt is still the highrise capital of Europe!

[ZZ-II]

uups, wrong thread

[erbse]

Wow, thats awesome :) Didn't expect there's so much going on now in Frankfurt :)
Go Mainhattan, Go!

[HD]

and the best thing about this is, that almost all projects have been chosen after consultation with investors - the tallest of the new towers (of the march 2007 masterplan-proposals) is approx. only 220-250m tall, but I think it's good that frankfurt will get many new midrises to fill the gaps. and finally frankfurt is getting some residential towers :cheers:

[BMXican]

patrick, the hotel tower of frankfurthochvier is 99,... m tall and the office tower something between 123 and 130m, depending on the source. you missed in your rendering the 110 m tall tower of the messe opposite the IBC ;)

all in all great news.


very dissappointing that allianz is not allowed to build higher than 90m (instead of 170m) - the model looks taller though.

the matthäuskirche development sounds promising - a skyscraper with a church as an entrance.

also the new 170m poseidon tower near the messeturm is fantastic news.

I'm not sure about the new campanile though - it will stand alone - Id prefer a 200m tower somewhere else.

what is not in the plan included is the new bahn tower - a 200m skyscraper. the deutsche bahn wants to put several offices together.

the most promising project is the degussa development though - this will finally extend the banking quarter to the river. I hope they go for the 200m version, instead of the 170m version.

also good news are all the residential towers - the demand for apartments is very strong, I hope this will lead to more such developments.

and I hope marieninsel will be taller than just 220m - I was hoping, it would be the next tallest in the city. Im glad the developers won't face any problems with it though - all the surrounding buildngs belong to them too.

I can see a smaller tower between the FBC tower and the trianon tower - anyone knows what project that is?

[ZZ-II]

it's fantastic that frankfurt will get a new 200m + tower :)

[Alle]

Congrats Frankfurt ^^

[FFM2007]

i hope we'll soon see some renderings of the proper future skyline:cheers:

[Patrick]

@BMXican: Thx for your comment, I'll correct the plan now. But one question left: Where is the possible construction site for the 200m Bahn-Tower?

Today, the DIC Group (Deutsche Immobilien Chancen) announced the first (EDIT: latest (thx to newfvgffm for correcting me)), plans for the Degussa area. The project will be called MainTor (http://www.maintor-frankfurt.de) (btw: I don't like the current trend to give names by leaving out the space between the words: FrankfurtHochVier, Arena AufSchalke, MainTor ;)).

The architecture is by KSP Engel & Zimmermann.

The construction could begin in the 2nd half of 2008 and will cost more than 500 Mio. Euros.

http://www.maintor-frankfurt.de/media/maintor/DIC_MT_Durchwegung.jpg

http://www.dic-ag.de/media/immobilien/FFM_Degussa/DIC_Degussa_1_2.jpg

http://www.maintor-frankfurt.de/media/maintor/DIC_MAINTOR_Ensemble.jpg

http://www.maintor-frankfurt.de/media/maintor/DIC_MAINTOR_Hochhaus.jpg

http://www.maintor-frankfurt.de/media/maintor/DIC_MAINTOR_Tor-zur-Stadt.jpg

http://www.maintor-frankfurt.de/media/maintor/DIC_MAINTOR_Stadtraster.jpg

http://www.maintor-frankfurt.de/media/maintor/DIC_MAINTOR_Mainansicht.jpg

http://www.maintor-frankfurt.de/media/maintor/DIC_MT_Oeffnung.jpg

http://www.maintor-frankfurt.de/media/maintor/DIC_MT_Modell.jpg

Mixed Use

EDIT: The project name of the skyscraper is "WinX" and the height looks like 150-170m

EDIT2: The local newspapers write of a height about 150m, orientated on neighbouring ECB tower (148m)

another render: http://www.fr-online.de/_img/_cnt/_hermes/070326_1956_lokmaintor.jpg

[FFM2007]

great project:banana: and i hope the heigth will be encreased to 200 meters :)

[newfvgffm]

Its an amazing and surprising developement with a beautiful design.
Interesting, only 2 days after the HighrisePlan was published the first investor came also public with his developement, already having an anchor tenant.
So if we are lucky we might have many Towers under construction in Frankfurt in 2008

Operatower, 2 Frankfurthochvier Towers, ECB Tower, Degussa Tower, KFW Tower...who knows, perhaps even more.

Its time that Frankfurt enters a new boom Phase!

[HD]

it's only the beginning. we can expect a few more news on all the new developments pretty soon.

I'm surprised construction of maintor will commence in 2008 already - they just proposed it - this must be the quickest proposal ever.

[TYW]

that's so cool!! can't wait for the renderings

[erbse]

It's getting better and better - You made my day! Thanks alot to all for those pleasing informations 'bout Frankfurt's amazing development :)

[FFM2007]

i wonder what will be built at Friedrich-Ebert-Anlage 35-37.... there are some
tear off-workings going on but no one knows what will be built when these are finished in may(or june i don't know it exactly :lol: ) perhaps the 200 meter Bahn-***** will be built there, but its confusing that no project at this place was published with the *** highrise masterplan and i dont think that this place will be left unbuilt! maybe we'll soon have another ********** under construction, who knows:)

Edit: and i even don't know why those words have been censored :D but you may guess them

[HD]

isn't this the address of the Turm185 project?

I wouldn't be surprised, if it wasn't preparation works for a new tower, maybe even the 200m bahn tower - this location or next to the old bahn tower are the only locations I can think of where deutsche bahn could build their new tower.

[devilsadvocate]

Frankfurt is still the highrise capital of Europe!

Think London and Paris will pass Frankfurt pretty soon, if they haven't already.

[ØlandDK]

Really like the Frankfurt skyline - looking forward to see it grow!:)

[ZZ-II]

maybe they'll have more skyscrapers but the skyline of frankfurt will still be the best in europe for me

[builder1010]

which city has better skyline. frankfurt or berlin?

[GeneratorNL]

which city has better skyline. frankfurt or berlin?

In my opinion definitly Frankfurt, but I still like Berlin a lot more as a city, because it's more vibrant, living, cheaper and errr... probably a lot more, I simply love Berlin, but Frankfurt has the skyscrapers.

[ZZ-II]

which city has better skyline. frankfurt or berlin?

frankfurt of course, but berlin is also a fantastic city...also without highrises

[Justme]

Some very good news here if these proposals finally start to become reality. Frankfurt has been rather stagnant of late, and it could do with a big boost.

I'll keep my fingers crossed.

[HD]

~6 new 150m+ towers in 2008 ... this could be the long awaited big boost.

[GNU]

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/6162313164373033.jpg


Interesting proposal on the right hand side of number 2......

[henner]

Here's news about the newPWC Tower (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505636) project

[Joka]

Nice to see Frankfurt grow higher and denser with skyscrapers!

Does anyone know what will become of the old ECB building when the new one if finished?

[HD]

it will probably be refurbished. I hope they demolish it though and replace it with a new taller tower.

anyway, the boom in frankfurt continues:

the dz-bank announced plans for another tower, a 180m skyscraper next to their famous westend strasse 1 skyscraper-headquarter. mäckler is the architect.

you can see the location of the tower in the pic along with other projects in the area:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9320/xxcss0.jpg

this is yet another surprising project - just around the corner from the (only weeks ago announced) FRANKFURT | PricewaterhouseCoopers Tower | 185m | Pro (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505636) and the FRANKFURT | UEC | 212m | 52 fl | 160m | 40 fl | App‎ (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=480449), which is starting next year.

it looks like until 2010-11 frankfurt skyline will double in size

[Patrick]

great news! especially that this site is on the Mainzer Landstraße between two existing towers, a gap'd be filled :okay: but, i wait for the first reaction of the green party...;)

[HD]

more news:


according to the frankfurter neue presse two more towers could be finished until 2011

the FRANKFURT | Neue Mainzer Strasse 55 - 57 | 197m | 55 fl | App (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=410085), which apparently could be built by OFB projektentwicklung

and the only 135m tall, but pretty massive, kaiserkarree - according to somebody whos working at commerzbank (?) the existing building will be vacated in autumn, demolition could start immediately and construction could start in spring 2008. apparently tishman speyer is interested in this one ...

[Dyn.tek]

This is great news for frankfurt. Cant wait to see all the new renders

[Der wahre Heino]

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9320/xxcss0.jpg

ble in size

sorry, but all the towers, you put in here are at least 10-20% higher displayed, than they will most probably be.
other than that, great pic, and thank you for the effort!

[HD]

I dont think so.

the campus towers will be 100, 110 and 140m tall, the new poseidon will be 170m tall, pwc is 185m, uec 1 is 211m, uec 2 is 165m, the only tower that is wrong is the matheus church tower - it will not be 130m, but aparently 150-170m tall !


and here we come to the news:

the preparation works on the ecb hq (185m) started - thanks to cystillfi, see the ecb thread

the preparation works on the 135m kaiserkarree will start soon, see the kaiserkarree thread

the matheus church tower wil aparently be 150-170m tall - and not 130m - an insider gave this information on th german architecture forum, there is alreadya design, which sit still kept secret, but will be presented to the public soon

[ZZ-II]

wonderful news for frankfurt, exciting times for the city :)

[erbse]

While we're at it, I could virtually add a superior aerial pic with most of Frankfurt's proposals, made by a fellow German forumer (derUlukai). Enjoy:

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/5238/ffmce3.jpg

:)

[goschio]

New multifunctional sports arena for Frankfurt.

capacity: 12,500
cost: 100 Mio EUR
architect: Coop Himmelblau

http://www.faz.net/m/%7B37AECC77-C5E4-4879-93F1-E374B3457F5A%7DPicture.jpg

[Frankfurter_Bockwurst]

is it U/C?
and where is it planned to be built...
and it looks nice :D

[erbse]

Another, closer rendering of the sports arena. It'll be probably called Rhein-Main-Arena btw.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5554/frankfurtrheinmainarenadd4.jpg

I hope they don't change anything at this design and just build it! Looks simply upsetting :yes:

[Hed_Kandi]

Another, closer rendering of the sports arena. It'll be probably called Rhein-Main-Arena btw.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5554/frankfurtrheinmainarenadd4.jpg

I hope they don't change anything at this design and just build it! Looks simply upsetting :yes:

Oh God. That's incredible !!! :nuts:

[ZZ-II]

looks fantastic, very modern....love it!!

[1878EFC]

going to Frankfurt on the 7th Nov before i watch the mighty blue boys in Nuremberg, any tips of what to due what to see in a short period of time or bars/clubs to visit?

[Hed_Kandi]

going to Frankfurt on the 7th Nov before i watch the mighty blue boys in Nuremberg, any tips of what to due what to see in a short period of time or bars/clubs to visit?


None other than this :

http://www.worldsbestbars.com/city/frankfurt/cocoon-club.htm


DO NOT miss it !

[goschio]

Yes, the cocoon club is pretty good. Thats where I go when I am in Frankfurt. Its always fun. :cheers:

Best way to go there is by taxi.

[1878EFC]

cheers fellas

[erbse]

I've found some additional renders regarding the proposed Degussa I (aka "MainTor" respectively "WinX") that will ascend the sky around 150-170m.

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9731/maintorbl3.jpg

Here we go:

http://www.maintor-frankfurt.de/media/maintor/DIC_MT_Hochhaus.jpg

http://www.maintor-frankfurt.de/media/maintor/DIC_MT_Urban.jpg

http://www.maintor-frankfurt.de/media/maintor/DIC_MT_Plaza.jpg

Some models of the tower
http://img9.myimg.de/Frankfurt011e49b.jpg

http://img9.myimg.de/Frankfurt0366232.jpg

http://img9.myimg.de/Frankfurt06251c1.jpg

An additional overview, made by a forumer of the DAF (with SketchUp)
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/3083/degussaczselbstvo0.jpg

I really hope they realise this project, it would be quite valuable for the skyline from nearly each direction :)

[Frankfurter_Bockwurst]

i thought the politics were against it
dachte die poltiker wären dagegen

[Justme]

Just noticed that the old school opposite Südbahnhof has been knocked down. This is a real pity as it was a beautiful old building, and Frankfurt isn't exactly blessed with historical architecture for a European city.

Anyway, the dirty deed was done. Does anyone know what will replace it? It really is in such a prime spot.

[Rohne]

This (http://hhp-frankfurt.de/projekte/aktuelle_projekte_1/freiherr_vom_stein_schule.html) crap will replace the historical building. Only positiv thing is that the ugly 70s concrete box next to it will also be torn down.

[Justme]

This (http://hhp-frankfurt.de/projekte/aktuelle_projekte_1/freiherr_vom_stein_schule.html) crap will replace the historical building. Only positiv thing is that the ugly 70s concrete box next to it will also be torn down.

Thanks Rohne.

What a great lost opportunity. I was saddened when the old school was knocked down, as it was so pleasing to the eye. It had character and looked great.

But then I thought if something grand went up in it's place, it would not be too bad.

What a shame.

[Skyline.Fan]

WinX will be realised, construction starts at the end of next year and will be finished until 2013 -.-

Height of the tower has been cut to 100 meters + another tower of 60 meters will be added. :ohno:

[erbse]

Let's raise some dust, it's gettin a bit boring here ;)

I wanna draw the attention on the development of Frankfurts towers - therefore you should have a look at the updated threads.

> Opernturm, construction update (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=418234&page=13)

> FrankfurtHochVier, construction update (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=16414504#post16414504)

Cordial thanks for the attention so far.

[derUlukai]

one of frankfurt`s biggest and most spectacular projects U/C wasn`t even mentioned here before... i`m talking about the airrail center, an office/hotel/mixed use-building, located directly above frankfurt airports highspeedrailwaystation. it`s 660meter long, 9floors high, and has about 140.000 m² rentable space (about 50% were rent before construction started). investmentvolume is about 660million €, date of completion is 2009.
the projects homepage is www.airrail.com

http://www.ivg.de/images/airrail_1.jpg

http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00171/Airport_DW_Kultur_B_171251g.jpg

live webcam pics showing the construction site:
http://www.panterra.tv/aysprojekt/fran2/webpics/airrail2.jpg

http://www.panterra.tv/aysprojekt/fran1/webpics/airrail1.jpg

[goschio]

Thanks for posting this here. The last webcam looks impressive.

[ZZ-II]

one of my favourite projects in germany, simply wonderful! but 660m high would be better than long :lol:

[derUlukai]

more airrail-center renders:

possible interior designs
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/4140/innenzk0.jpg

http://i5.tinypic.com/2r74ihe.jpg

http://xs513.xs.to/xs513/07094/arcwest.jpg

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9534/airrcentfb9.jpg

[Frankfurter_Bockwurst]

one of my favourite projects in germany, simply wonderful! but 660m high would be better than long :lol:

girls think different :lol:
man...how long is it uc already?

[derUlukai]

the "deutsche bank"-twintowers are going to get a new fascade, completely new interior, and a public cafe in the entrance area.. also the co2 emission will be reduced more then 50% (!). it will be the biggest highrise reconstruction in europe atm, and is scheduled to be finished 2010. architect is mario bellini from milano..

but why didn`t they publish any renderings yet?!? :ohno:

some pics showing the current situation

http://www.buero-forum.de/content/con1/aktuell/newsletter/archiv/archiv_2005/09_2005/DeutscheBank.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Deutsche-Bank-Frankfurt-am-Main.jpg/300px-Deutsche-Bank-Frankfurt-am-Main.jpg

http://static2.bareka.com/photos/medium/73293/deutsche-bank-tower-frankfurt.jpg


source: http://www.fr-online.de/frankfurt_und_hessen/nachrichten/frankfurt/?sid=517679e798a55651c9f714dd8fc414eb&em_cnt=1253256

[Patrick]

new facade? hope they'll only change the materials and not the look. because it looks very fine as it is!

[Frankfurter_Bockwurst]

wth...refacad?
:ohno:
i loved that facade..its the best in frankfurt!

[derUlukai]

new facade? hope they'll only change the materials and not the look. because it looks very fine as it is!


well, at least it will have solarreflectors in it, to heat the buildings water, and windows that can be opened, so i think it will have an impact on its look... hopefully not too bad..

[Justme]

^^ windows that can be opened? In a skyscraper? Damn I hate that, it ruins perfect lines and symmetry. Nothing wrong with airconditioning.

[erbse]

^ I second that.

By the by, someone of the DAF (http://www.deutsches-architektur-forum.de/forum/showthread.php?t=6811) scanned a render of the refacaded towers (which derives from the FAZ (http://www.faz.net/s/homepage.html)). It shows how it's going to look with openable windows:

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3186/frankfurtdeutschebankumst3.jpg

For comparison - the current look of the twin towers:

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/996/frankfurtdeutschebank1axo1.jpg



Not quite a good decision if u ask me :ohno:

[derUlukai]

well, i think it could really be much worse then this... i question myself if there are only so few openable windows, or didn`t they want to show a render with all/most windows opened?

[Justme]

To be honest, I'm not really surprised. I find many German's hate air conditioning. We have it in our office, and even on the hottest, most humid of days, many staff will switch it off and prefer to sweat - usually claiming it's so "unnatural" or something along those lines.

Heating in winter is also unnatural... I still like both.

[goschio]

^
Doesn't surprise me that you think like that. Here in Australia people seem to love their AC. Always way too cold in buildings.

[Kailyas]

EDIT: I put some pictures in, where they are available

http://hometown.aol.de/nocheinwebname/Unbenannt2.jpg

in this picture, you can see:

blue = under construction

Opernturm 170m
http://beta.opernturm.biz/uploads/tx_prmopernturmpresse/OpernTurm.jpg???

FFHV I 120m
FFHV II 90m
http://www.khing.de/upload/fhv_viewzeil04d49023.jpg?
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5200/45jm.jpg

bluegreen = under renovation

DZ-Bank 95m > Parktower 115m
=> see Opernturm picture, to the right of Opernturm and behind the opera

blueorange = planned renovation

Henninger Turm ~120m
http://www.mainfeld.de/content/vis/v0501_PAS_HT2_allee.jpg

orange = new proposals

Marieninsel ~220-250m
http://www.koehler-architekten.de/old_web/aktuell_img/faz_04_05_29.jpg

Campanile ~160-200m

Degussa I (WinX) ~150-170m
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1914/winxgb7.jpg

ECB 184m
http://www.coop-himmelblau.at//images/projects/ezb/800x600/ezb0.jpg

Poseidonhaus ~160-170m

Osthafenmole ~140m

Matthäusgemeinde ~130m

Hafentunnel I ~100m
Hafentunnel II ~100m
Hafentunnel III ~100m

Stiftstraße ~100m

Allianz ~90m

Europagarten I ~90m
Europagarten II ~90m
Europagarten III ~90m
Europagarten IV ~90m

Emserbrücke I ~50-60m
Emserbrücke II ~50-60m
Emserbrücke III ~70-90m
Emserbrücke IV ~70-90m
Emserbrücke V ~70-90m

Degussa II ~70-80m

Turmpalast I ~80m
Turmpalast II ~50m

Bockenheim-Campus I ~50-140m
Bockenheim-Campus II ~50-140m
Bockenheim-Campus III ~50-140m
Bockenheim-Campus IV ~50-140m

yellow = projects from the old Rahmenplan (here, there are only picutres on the projects which had recent news. those where we didn't hear any news for years, are without render in this thread)

Millenium Tower 369m

MAX 228m

UEC I 210m (the blue one; the red one is UEC II)
http://www.vivico.de/images/img794.jpg

FraSpa 197m
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/2808/nm5ug9.jpg

Bahndirektion 185m

Metzler 175m

Telenorma 160m

UEC II 160m
=> see UEC I

Ehem. Polizeipräsidium 145m

Kaiserkarree 135m
http://hometown.aol.de/RadioD3/Kaiserkarree+Frankfurt3.jpg

LZB 134m

green = built and higher than 90m

Commerzbank 259m
Messeturm 257m
DZ-Bank 208m
Main Tower 200m
Trianon 186m
Dresdner Bank 166m
Plaza Büro Center 159m
Deutsche Bank I 155m
Deutsche Bank II 155m
Skyper 154m
Eurotower 148m
Selmi-Hochhaus 143m
FBC 142m
Gallileo 136m
Pollux 130m
Garden Towers 127m
Messe Torhaus 117m
Japan-Center 115m
Westhafen-Tower 112m
IBC 112m
Eurotheum 110m
BCN 110m
Commerzbank 109m
WestendDuo 96m
Hochhaus am Park 96m
Kastor 95m
Hafenstr. 51 93m
IBCF 93m
Union Investment 93m
Citibank 89m
Mainplaza 88m

greenred = will be demolished

AfE-Turm 116m


the black lines are the borders of the photo of the modell posted below


let's hope they'll build as much as possible ;)

and: there are no new renderings yet, so I can't show you some pics

EDIT: I am a bit lazy, a new tower has been announced, which is not in that map, but HD presented it on the 2nd page of this thread:

New DZ-Bank Building, ~180m

wow, all of them are awesome

[Justme]

The Henninger Turm photo is dead. Anyone know the latest on this, what it will look like and when it will be complete?

[Frankfurter_Bockwurst]

For the Win!
1http://www.mainfeld.de/pics/v0501_HT2_01.jpg
2http://www.mainfeld.de/pics/v0501_HT2_02.jpg
3http://www.mainfeld.de/pics/v0501_HT2_03.jpg
4http://www.mainfeld.de/pics/v0501_HT2_04.jpg

[derUlukai]

wow, i haven`t seen these renderings yet.. looks good :banana:

[erbse]

Some high quality renderings to find at the DAF (http://www.deutsches-architektur-forum.de/forum/showpost.php?p=158698&postcount=14) - of the upcoming modification of the Deutsche Bank twin towers. They show the exchanged glass facade and the new lobby, which is going to include a 'Public Art Café'.

[ZZ-II]

hopefully the new facade will be as great as the old one :)

[Skyline.Fan]

hopefully the new facade will be as great as the old one :)

yeah, DB Twins ftw! :)

[Rohne]

Henninger Turm renderings look awful. Crappy architecture (hope the architecture isn't fixed yet) and crappy buildings around the tower. No highrises in Sachsenhausen please!

[goschio]

The Henninger Turm is the worst. They should tear it down. Looks horrible and wastes the skyline view.

[ZZ-II]

demolish the top-part and build normal floors instead....and give the tower a nice facade :)

[Frankfurter_Bockwurst]

its a wahrzeichen..

[goschio]

its a wahrzeichen..

Having a silo as landmark is quite sad.

[Frankfurter_Bockwurst]

well... i dont think it looks good , but if you see shilloutes you see on the most the henninger turm

[derUlukai]

Having a silo as landmark is quite sad.

hm, and what about this thing they are building in hamburg.. i think they call it elbphilarmonie? :banana:

[Kailyas]

A lot of first class buildings and nice skyline. Frankfurt is just awesome.:banana::banana:

[Ramses]

http://xs513.xs.to/xs513/07094/arcwest.jpgThis looks like a longer version of the ING-house in Amsterdam.

http://www.boele.nl/images/upload/project/large/265.jpg

[Frankfurter_Bockwurst]

is that a problem for you?

[ZZ-II]

why should it be a problem for him? he only showed a similar building. and i think it looks fantastic!

[derUlukai]

yeah, looks nice, though i think airrail will get bigger.. btw. i am visitor 10.000 in this thread :banana:

[ZZ-II]

don't know if the airrail will be taller than the one in Amsterdam. but it will be much longer! 600m in total to be correct :)

[BMXican]

construction of 38 story kaiserkarree to start soon:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=521026

[derUlukai]

YES!!! :banana: some renders of kaiserkarree
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/9977/y1ht3.jpg

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2830/y2kw9.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1440/y6bb4.jpg

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1481/72916835rt6.jpg

[Jim856796]

it will probably be refurbished. I hope they demolish it though and replace it with a new taller tower.

anyway, the boom in frankfurt continues:

the dz-bank announced plans for another tower, a 180m skyscraper next to their famous westend strasse 1 skyscraper-headquarter. mäckler is the architect.

you can see the location of the tower in the pic along with other projects in the area:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9320/xxcss0.jpg

this is yet another surprising project - just around the corner from the (only weeks ago announced) FRANKFURT | PricewaterhouseCoopers Tower | 185m | Pro (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505636) and the FRANKFURT | UEC | 212m | 52 fl | 160m | 40 fl | App‎ (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=480449), which is starting next year.

it looks like until 2010-11 frankfurt skyline will double in size

If that old ECB building is the Eurotower, it is way too unlikely for demolition because it is not old enough and it needs to remain an office tower once the ECB leaves it.

And about that rendering depicted on this post:

* The Matthauskirche Office Building was previously planned to replace the Matthauskirche church. Now the building will be built behind the church, with the church functioning as an entrance. will the old church still be used as a church?

* The new Poseidon office tower would rise to 170 metres. However, I have major concerns about this tower. the Poseidon looks like a newly constructed building and I would normally be against constructing something that will reuqire the demolition of a new-looking building.Why couldn't they do a simple height extension? Either do that, or the project will be cancelled.

* I do not know much about that new DZ Bank office tower next to the Selmi Hochhaus.

[erbse]

Thanks Jim!

The shown Airrail Center (http://www.airrail.com) at the Airport will be build on this "base" to the left:
http://www.fraport.de/cms/media/119/119994.fernbahnhof_cdl22.jpg

As a reminder, one of the renders:
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9534/airrcentfb9.jpg

[mbuildings]

very nice projects

[germantower]

^^ why are you posting post with nearly the same content, i only read posts written by you with "stunning" and "this projects are nice" as content!

[ZZ-II]

he's doing that all the time :lol:, in many sections ^^

[derUlukai]

he's doing that all the time :lol:, in many sections ^^
he surely wants to catch up to your post count :banana:

[newfvgffm]

a little diagram of all the projects starting for sure 2008 and partly 2009:

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4697/scc1wx0.jpg

[ZZ-II]

great diagram, thx for posting it :)

[Skyline.Fan]

IS THIS A SPIRE ON THE OPERNTURM!? <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

[whoami]

i believe this is the protptype caldding of one of the projects above.

http://i19.tinypic.com/8eqzu9s.jpg

[ZZ-II]

IS THIS A SPIRE ON THE OPERNTURM!? <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

yes, but as far as i know the spire was only in the old plans. when i remember right was no longer a spire to see on the latest renders :)

[erbse]

You remember right. No spire on the OpernTurm. Fortunately.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3136393265313232.jpg

[derUlukai]

i believe this is the protptype caldding of one of the projects above.

http://i19.tinypic.com/8eqzu9s.jpg

whow! where did u get this picture?!?

[newfvgffm]

the user should first tell us which mysterious project this one is...for sure none of the mentioned above...

[ZZ-II]

the glass prototype is for the new European Central Bank ( 185m )

http://i24.tinypic.com/24fiptv.jpg

[erbse]

Recladding of the Selmi-Hochhaus (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=553076) (highrise): Current status (from fotocommunity.de)

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9451/1132121419ug5.jpg

[BMXican]

the glass prototype is for the new European Central Bank ( 185m )

http://i24.tinypic.com/24fiptv.jpg

it's not for the ecb project. it's another one. maybe the airrail center?

[hmueller]

what?

[Patrick]

what?

wie wat?

[whoami]

@derUlukai... its my picture. i took it..

@newfvgffm... im talking about this project... look closely at he top portion. or are you blind????

Thanks Jim!
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9534/airrcentfb9.jpg

[derUlukai]

and u took a picture of the airrailcenter cladding in japan?!? i don`t think so.. :banana:

[ZZ-II]

it is a very famous project :D

[Frankfurter_Bockwurst]

oh my god!
ecb is so fat on the diagram!

[derUlukai]

oh my god!
ecb is so fat on the diagram!

yeah, it would really look much better if built 20-50meter taller.. shame on frankfurts politicians..:ohno:

[ZZ-II]

news posted in the UEC thread:

A Frankfurt newspaper (http://www.rhein-main.net/sixcms/list.php?page=fnp2_news_article&id=4276877) reports that a main tenant for the hotel tower has been found. Contract will be signed on Monday. Construction start will still be within 2008, so this year.

[whoami]

and u took a picture of the airrailcenter cladding in japan?!? i don`t think so.. :banana:


japan???

i said this is my pic http://i19.tinypic.com/8eqzu9s.jpg. its not in japan you moron. look at the truck, left hand drive.

[dklicious.]

Frankfurt is really booming hard! ^^

In a nutshell:
- new tower in Frankfurt's Europaviertel (contract signed today)
- *****+ Hyatt hotel
- 405 rooms + bars + wellness/spa
- building application will be filed in 2008
- next step will be development of the tower's architectural design

Yay! :banana:

[newfvgffm]

japan???

i said this is my pic http://i19.tinypic.com/8eqzu9s.jpg. its not in japan you moron. look at the truck, left hand drive.

what a friendly guy...don't react to this troll, don't give him room here :nono:

[derUlukai]

here are some (old) renderings of the hyatt hotel uec2 tower... hope the design won`t get changed...

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6058/71t25grossxk6.jpg

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5813/41t24grosskl5.jpg

[derUlukai]

i also made a quick&dirty map, on that u can see all projects of the area

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1759/europaviertelsj2.jpg

[newfvgffm]

^
very nice!

[dklicious.]

Looks like an awesome area to me.
The Millennium Tower would be the icing on the cake here.

2008 is a splendid year for Frankfurt.

[erbse]

Let's just hope those commies in the fresh Hessian parliament don't screw everything up now.

I wanna see something like this rising at the Main!

http://i25.tinypic.com/2v83j8n.jpg

[Joka]

i also made a quick&dirty map, on that u can see all projects of the area

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1759/europaviertelsj2.jpg

When did the Millenium tower become approved? Is this for real? With the Millenium tower the Frankfurt skyline would be more or less unattainable on an European scale.*knock on wood*

[derUlukai]

When did the Millenium tower become approved? Is this for real? With the Millenium tower the Frankfurt skyline would be more or less unattainable on an European scale.*knock on wood*

it`s approved since 1999 or so, but unfortunately they havent found an anchor tenant yet... but at least it seems that vivico is marketing this project, and with their success in uec2 and t185 i see some chances for the millenium tower in the long run..

[erbse]

If you wanna follow the Millennium Tower development: Millennium Tower - Frankfurt's first Supertall (thread) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=533857&highlight=Millennium)

[whoami]

what a friendly guy...don't react to this troll, don't give him room here :nono:

look who's talking? you are the 1st one to challenge me.

the user should first tell us which mysterious project this one is...for sure none of the mentioned above...

sour loser, you talk about projects that you never seen or touched. all ive done is post a pic that i personally took. common guys.

[HD]

once the grand hyatt, the T185 and the UEC tower 1 are built vivico might think of new projects - maybe then the time for the millennium tower will come. after all, it is being marketed. but 200,000 sq m is a lot of space ...

[Frankfurter_Bockwurst]

once the grand hyatt, the T185 and the UEC tower 1 are built vivico might think of new projects - maybe then the time for the millennium tower will come. after all, it is being marketed. but 200,000 sq m is a lot of space ...

what you mean with it is being marketed?
they found someone?

[goschio]

what you mean with it is being marketed?
they found someone?

No, they are still looking for someone.

[derUlukai]

the last part of ffh4 - the hoteltower - is now also under construction (i think that`s it http://www.bauserve.net/fileadmin/user_upload/bauprojekte/frankfurthochvier/ffmh4c_8.jpg ) :banana:

[ZZ-II]

great news :)

[derUlukai]

according THIS (http://www.fr-online.de/frankfurt_und_hessen/nachrichten/frankfurt/?em_cnt=1286615) local newspaper article, there is a 60meter highrise planned at mainzer landstraße 36. looks pretty save, only the politicians are working to slow.. :banana:

[derUlukai]

famous städel museum gets another exhibition hall..
looks like teletubbyland imho :nuts::banana:

http://www.fr-online.de/_img/_cnt/_hermes/080220_1618_teaser.jpg

http://www.fr-online.de/_img/_cnt/_hermes/080220_1625_1.jpg

http://www.fr-online.de/_img/_cnt/_hermes/080220_1625_2.jpg

[erbse]

Well, I've mentioned this in another thread. But it rather belongs here.
Should I open a new thread for this one? Or could anyone else do it? The project kinda deserves it.

At first, let's keep in mind how Frankfurt's old town looked before the bombing raids of WW2 (around 1940):
http://www.aufbau-ffm.de/serie/Teil11/Bilder/30.jpg

The intended area for the reconstructions is the quarter left of the cathedral (in the middle, stretching into the direction of the market place)


Comparison - after heavy British bombing 1943/44:
http://www.aufbau-ffm.de/serie/Teil11/Bilder/56.jpg


And how it looks today - the big ugly brutalist crap to the left of the cathedral will be demolished (the "Technisches Rathaus" - 'technical city hall'). Then it'll be replaced by some reconstructions of historically worthful timbered houses.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/Main-vom-maintower-ffm001.jpg/800px-Main-vom-maintower-ffm001.jpg


More information & links (from a picture thread):

]^ They're going to reconstruct a quite big part of the historical (medieval) old town, which was of huge value within the whole of Europe. Its relevance was almost comparable with a city like Prague.

If anybody wants to know (and see) something more about the old town and other historical parts of Frankfurt - A quite good page I reckon:
AltFrankfurt.com - The Golden Book (http://altfrankfurt.com)


Currently there's a huge concrete monster (Technisches Rathaus of the 80s) holding its place on the ground of the planned old town reconstruction. It'll be demolished this year or 2009, and the Altstadt's going to be build around 2010 then.

While I'm at it: You can find several 3D views of Frankfurts historical old town here (http://www.stadtbild-deutschland.de/rubriken/staedte_und_orte/10/index.html).
You can see buildings of the intended area as well as still existing and other ones there. Pretty good stuff.

And there's also a (German) forum, where you could follow the further development of the project and find many pictures as well: APH Forum - Reconstructions and classical architecture in Germany (http://www.aphforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1688&start=0)


Hope I could spark a bit interest in the whole development ;)

[Hed_Kandi]

At first, let's keep in mind how Frankfurt's old town looked before the bombing raids of WW2 (around 1940):
http://www.aufbau-ffm.de/serie/Teil11/Bilder/30.jpg

The intended area for the reconstructions is the quarter left of the cathedral (in the middle, stretching into the direction of the market place)


Comparison - after heavy British bombing 1943/44:
http://www.aufbau-ffm.de/serie/Teil11/Bilder/56.jpg


More information & links (from a picture thread):


Jesus Christ

What a f*cking loss of not only life but architecture.

How very sad.

[Skyline.Fan]

this was vengeance bombing, truely done war crimes. you should check what happened to Dresden if you are already shocked about these pictures.

even today you can see the dust of the smoke at the church tower. deep black at some spots.

[Justme]

this was vengeance bombing, truely done war crimes. you should check what happened to Dresden if you are already shocked about these pictures.

even today you can see the dust of the smoke at the church tower. deep black at some spots.

I'm saddened by the loss of lives and the once beautiful city as well, but vengeance bombing? Please, be realistic here. Germany was still at war with the world. It hadn't surrounded. No, it's not vengeance bombing.

Anyway, this isn't a place for political discussions.

[Skyline.Fan]

ehm? our bombardements on London were war crimes, so were the bombardements on Dresden, Hamburg and so much other cities.

[flierfy]

ehm? our bombardements on London were war crimes, so were the bombardements on Dresden, Hamburg and so much other cities.

Victors have never committed and will never commit war crimes.

[erbse]

Stop this mindless discussion please.

Would rather like to hear your opinion 'bout the reconstruction project :)

[novaguy]

All that vengeance stuff aside,it is a subject matter worth discussing because the carpet bombing did and still does has a big impact on construction in Frankfurt.

[HD]

there is thread for this (not only about frankfurt, but for other german cities bombed during ww2). this thread is about projects in frankfurt ;)

[Onoudidnt]

i think its a great idea rebuilding the lost urban fabric of Frankfurt. It will make the streets more warm and friendly. Imagine looking out over the skyline of the city and seeing the huge glassy towers contrast beutifully with the pretty gables and piched roofs of the rebuilt old town- oh yeah

[Golden Age]

Victors have never committed and will never commit war crimes.

I'm not saying two wrongs equal a right, but there are so many defeated powers out there that are far from admitting any or only limited amounts of wrongdoings in wars passed (i.e., Japan, Turkey, Serbia). Plus, Germany has hardly suffered under the post war arrangements of the victors (i.e., Marshall Plan, Bretton Woods, etc.) or the Nuremberg Trials. The most important thing is to learn from/avoid past mistakes and Europe has done so in an impressive way (hence the past 60 years have been Europe's most peaceful/prosperous to date).

That's all the politics from me. Now back to Projects & Construction. Hopefully, Frankfurt will ride the current economic upswing in Europe to update its sometimes shabby post-war look.

[LeGrandArc]

Städel museum extension looks great from above. Very pleasant museum like most of the museums in Germany. Loved the Renoir and Vermeer. Astonishing collection. Congrats Frankfurt!

[flierfy]

I'm not saying two wrongs equal a right, but there are so many defeated powers out there that are far from admitting any or only limited amounts of wrongdoings in wars passed (i.e., Japan, Turkey, Serbia). Plus, Germany has hardly suffered under the post war arrangements of the victors (i.e., Marshall Plan, Bretton Woods, etc.) or the Nuremberg Trials. The most important thing is to learn from/avoid past mistakes and Europe has done so in an impressive way (hence the past 60 years have been Europe's most peaceful/prosperous to date).
That's just partly true. There's still one Germany that suffered a lot and still suffers from the aftermath of WWII.

[Golden Age]

That's just partly true. There's still one Germany that suffered a lot and still suffers from the aftermath of WWII.

I am assuming you mean Eastern Germany by this? Well, given the many alternatives, the way German reunification has come about is actually one of the biggest successes / if not the biggest success story of German history. Yes, there are many unsolved problems (especially unemployment and infrastructure deficits) but, all in all, places like Berlin, Dresden and Leipzig are doing quite well for themselves.

Also, unlike Germany, think about the many countries that were VICTIMS (meaning not the originators) of WWII like Poland or the Czech Republic that not only suffered the Nazi but also the Communist regimes. It is no wonder that Poland still has an ambivalent relationship with its next-door neighbor (this will change to the better though).

[Rohne]

Stop this political discussion in this thread!!!

Concerning the reconstruction of the old town: yes, they shall rebuild all 50 timberframe houses of this small area of the Technisches Rathaus. And of course, in the future further important buildings or even ensembles if they have the opportunity. Not only in the Altstadt but also buildings like the Schauspielhaus or those around the central station (ie Schumanntheater).

[erbse]

Finally: The Urban Entertainment Center (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=480449) at the trade fair (near Messeturm) is going to be built! They're about to start construction works in autumn 2008.


Stop this political discussion in this thread!!!

Ditto. It's not neccessary to talk about victims and aggressors or whatever of WW2 here. If you're interested in this issue, start a new thread or discuss elsewhere!


Concerning the reconstruction of the old town: yes, they shall rebuild all 50 timberframe houses of this small area of the Technisches Rathaus.

Absolutely. I hope they'll reconstruct the most important ones and only add adapted new buildings at least. A complete reconstruction of the quarter isn't quite realistic and shouldn't be the purpose - this could backfire, you know that ;)

And of course, in the future further important buildings or even ensembles if they have the opportunity. Not only in the Altstadt but also buildings like the Schauspielhaus or those around the central station (ie Schumanntheater).

Agreed again. The Schauspielhaus (http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI04666d12a.jpg) and the Schumanntheater (http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI04666e04a.jpg) really are sad losses - especially considering they haven't been that destroyed after WW2 bombing raids. Just take a look at the Schumanntheater in the 50s (it has been demolished in 1960 - would have been a rather easy renovation). It was used by the US-military as a restaurant and club then.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6931/schumanntheater1950ak4.jpg

[HD]

Finally: The Urban Entertainment Center (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=480449) at the trade fair (near Messeturm) is going to be built! They're about to start construction works in autumn 2008.


great news! :cheers:

[ZZ-II]

but i guess this does not include the office tower or?

[HD]

no. it's just the shopping and congress center plus the hyatt hotel tower. the office tower for pricewaterhouse coopers is linked to this project though.

[Frankfurter_Bockwurst]

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6931/schumanntheater1950ak4.jpg

Pornobrille (oder was das is) FTW :D

[urbane]

A complete reconstruction of the quarter isn't quite realistic and shouldn't be the purpose - this could backfire, you know that ;)


How so ? :dunno:

[newfvgffm]

bad news out of frankfurt, finally the discussion about the highrise developement plan in the city parliament has come to a close.

For many years Allianz Insurance has planned a little skyscraper at about a height of 90m, located between the double deutsche bank towers and the opera tower site and always received good chances out of the city-parliament.
Though, the company always wanted to build a 170m Tower at the place.
The chances for 170m have been always very bad due to the shadows of the planned towers, which would fall directly onto the Opera Square.
But now, the City Government decided that there will be no tower at all.

The announced 3rd Tower for the DZ Bank, 200m, will not be in the plan as well, nobody can understand this decision.

The Tower to be built at the site beside the main station, formally known as Campanile, will be allowed to be only 100m high, the architect responsible for the plan wanted it to be 160m high.

There will be only apartement Highrise at the Eschersheimer Tor, there were planned up to 3 apartement Towers, which would have been something new for frankfurt.

Sad news.

[Justme]

There will be only apartement Highrise at the Eschersheimer Tor, there were planned up to 3 apartement Towers, which would have been something new for frankfurt.

Sad news.

Thanks for your information, though sad news. I don’t understand this last point. Will there be no apartment towers, lower apartment towers or less?

[Skyline.Fan]

such a fuckin city, fuck democracy.

[newfvgffm]

Thanks for your information, though sad news. I don’t understand this last point. Will there be no apartment towers, lower apartment towers or less?

there will be one, looking at the new plan.

Further bad news:
The greens laso are responsible that the planned Maireninsel (250m) will be built under 200m due to shadow...which is crazy because the tower is planned in the Bankenviertel.

Frankfurt is on the way to build only 150m towers in the future and will end up in nothing more than: mediocrity.

Thanks to the greens, against everything.

[Skyline.Fan]

Thanks to the greens, against everything.

... fuck democracy.

:)

[ZZ-II]

very bad news, hopefully the Marieninsel will be build.....

[Skyline.Fan]

very bad news, hopefully the Marieninsel will be build.....

not in this world.

[HD]

I was just reading about sydney having problems with overshadowing issues. I guess frankfurt is not the only city with this problem.

all in all I don't see bad news there - it doesn't effect any of the upcoming projects. and there are enough for the next years to come - who cares about a 200m tower for dz bank, that might or might have not come ...
campanile under 100m ...that's fine. to be honest, a 160m or 200m+ tower would look stupid there ... there are no other highrises there.

I can live with a 200m marieninsel too (interesting, that plans to demolish T11 were abandoned - marieninsel will now be built next to it)

allianz ... honestly, I don't know where they wanted to squeeze in a 170m tall tower

the only thing I really regret is, that they cut the residential project near eschenheimer tor from 2 towers to 1 (the third tower is not part of the project, it is a 100m office tower across the street, right next to palaisquartier). and only because a second tower might have blocked views of the skylight residential tower next door :ohno:

[goschio]

New Germany headquarter for BNP Paribas.

location: Europaviertel
finished: 2010
office space: 30,000qm

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1686/080509bnpvisoo9.jpg
http://www.vivico.de/lowRes/english/Presse/Bildarchiv/index.php?

[MPOWER]

Ohh sexy! :)

I like the design!

[ZZ-II]

not tall but a great design :)

[Ni3lS]

Nice to see all the stuff going on in Frankfurt :)

[HD]

some news:


IVG plans to built a trapeze shaped 45-storey tower next to the PricewaterhouseCoopers Tower | 185m | Pro (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505636), the UEC | 212m | 52 fl | 160m | 40 fl | App (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=480449) and the Millennium Tower | 350m | 1148ft | App ‎ (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=533857)..

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/513/gtuh4.jpg

more to follow soon

[Hed_Kandi]

So many proposals for Frankfurt....So few being built.

By the way, why is Germany's economy growing so slowly??? According to the CIA, growth is 2.6% per annum.

[HD]

slowly? that's relative. it's the fastest in europe at the moment (if you exclude emerging markets like russia or some eastern european countries) - the economy is booming. germany is a mature economy. it can't grow as fast as emerging markets in asia or eastern europe.

and frankfurt too - by the end of the year frankfurt will have more big towers u/c than ever before ...

[ZZ-II]

indeed, frankfurt will get a lots of new towers in the next few years!

[HD]

some renderings of marieninsel - the 250m version

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6990/marieninsel1zz2.jpg
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/2797/marieninsel2jg3.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5774/marieninsel4lb1.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4914/marieninsel5uv3.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/392/marieninsel6ut5.jpg

boring design, but a nice filler

[Hed_Kandi]

slowly? that's relative. it's the fastest in europe at the moment (if you exclude emerging markets like russia or some eastern european countries) - the economy is booming. germany is a mature economy. it can't grow as fast as emerging markets in asia or eastern europe.

and frankfurt too - by the end of the year frankfurt will have more big towers u/c than ever before ...

Germany isn't the fastest groing in Europe. Sweden, Norway, Finland, Spain,and the Netherlands are all outpacing it.

And mature economy's CAN grow as fast as emerging ones, see SINGAPORE and HONG KONG.

[HD]

uh no! check the latest statistics for Q1 in 2008 - germany is fastest growing, it's even much faster than the US

spain for example had only 0.3 % growth in the first quarter ... check your figures, before saying something



and for god's sake, how can you compare economies of city states to large area states? :lol:

[Hed_Kandi]

uh no! check the latest statistics for Q1 in 2008 - germany is fastest growing, it's even much faster than the US

spain for example had only 0.3 % growth in the first quarter ... check your figures, before saying something



and for god's sake, how can you compare economies of city states to large area states? :lol:

Where are you getting your info from?

[HD]

source: eurostat

germany's economy grew 1.53% in Q1 of 2008 - the anualized rate is 6.3% - that's 10 times more than the US, 5 times that of spain, more than 3 times that of the UK and even twice more than czech republic.


but who cares anyway. I just wanted to tell you that your assumption was based on wrong (old) figures. germany's having a boom right now. hence the high growth figures ... no one really expected that, not even the germans themselves.

edit: if you're interested in more info on that, check euroscrapers. there are numerous threads about european economy.

[goschio]

some news:


IVG plans to built a trapeze shaped 45-storey tower next to the PricewaterhouseCoopers Tower | 185m | Pro (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505636), the UEC | 212m | 52 fl | 160m | 40 fl | App (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=480449) and the Millennium Tower | 350m | 1148ft | App ‎ (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=533857)..

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/513/gtuh4.jpg

more to follow soon

Wow, that is great news. Will be a nice cluster at the Europaviertel. :okay:

[ZZ-II]

but FFM needs the MT to make it perfect :)

[MPOWER]

Germany need a stronger banking sector for more highrises! Let capitalism work and all will be fine!

[HD]

there are enough anchor tenants for many highrise buildings. what germany needs is more highrise friendly politicians and administrations. what's the point if there are companies willing to build big skyscraper, but won't get a permission because of shadow issues ... see allianz for example.

[HD]

some news:


- design of FRANKFURT | PricewaterhouseCoopers Tower | 185m | Pro (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505636) will be revealed this week!


- design of FRANKFURT | Kaiserkarree | 135m | 38 fl | App (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=521026) has changed - now slimmer, but taller (increased to 150m)

[Skyline.Fan]

some news:


- design of FRANKFURT | PricewaterhouseCoopers Tower | 185m | Pro (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505636) will be revealed this week!


- design of FRANKFURT | Kaiserkarree | 135m | 38 fl | App (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=521026) has changed - now slimmer, but taller (increased to 150m)

finally good news :cheers:

[ZZ-II]

really can't wait to see the PWC design :)

[newfvgffm]

I had the possibility to see the design of the new tower, though i cannot say to much here, yet :)
It is going to be an amazing tower with a very interesting ground plan.
And very tall, with technic floors around 200m :)

[ZZ-II]

which tower do you mean? the PCW?

[Patrick]

the real beginning of march comes closer, hooray :banana:
newfvgffm, thx for this little information, that sounds very good :)

which tower do you mean? the PCW?
i guess yes, if he speaks of 200m

[ZZ-II]

height increasing is always good :D

[derUlukai]

hm, but why do they call their tower still t185 if it´s higher?!? :banana:

[newfvgffm]

it is not increased, the height which is allowed concerns the last occuable Floor in an highrise, technic floors are not counted. so the 200m are just a personal guess.
Tower 185 is just a project name.

[HD]

exactly, and an old one too. the tower will certainly not be called T185 anymore.

very interesting news!

[Skyline.Fan]

boner time :banana:

[derUlukai]

if they`ve got another name why is their website www.t185.de ?:banana:

[HD]

how do you know it's their website?

frankfurt hoch vier had many (really many) different websites, before the launch of the project. and in the meanwhile they even changed the name.

T185 is just a very old (many years) working name ...

[Skyline_FFM]

That's true. The name t 185 is/was a preliminar name or the project and will change it's name then. This wouldn't be the first one to change the name. Tower One and Tower Two in the Skyline Plaza (which changed it's name also from UEC) will have different names also. I hope, vivico will also change the name of the Millennium Tower. :D

[HD]

first preview of tower 185 from the developer's website (vivico)

the project should be presented to the public today

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/7540/vivivomg0.jpg

[Skyline_FFM]

It looks great!!! Not just one other glass-cladded tower. :banana: It really looks taller than 185m... Should the above comments be right then?

[Rbs]

Awesome buildings for FRA! I like the BNP Paribas Headquarter, it's not tall but has a great design. UEC Towers look very nice. FRA is Booming, DEFINITELY my favorite City in Germany :yes:

[HD]

more pics here:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=21252306#post21252306

[Skyline.Fan]

guys do you joke? this "thing" looks like we would still hang in 1970. holy shit ... :down:

[Skyline_FFM]

Definately NO shit! Great! Better than I thought!

[derUlukai]

some pictures of the t185 3d webpreview that can be found HERE (http://www.vivico.de/deutsch/Immobilien/Objekte/Europaviertel/Tower_185/Rundgang/index.php)

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6513/74400279qe5.jpg
:banana:

[Kampflamm]

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/tower1.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/tower2.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/tower3.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/tower4.jpg

[derUlukai]

the tower looks just great :banana:
by the way - we just got ahead of the berlin thread in here - let`s celebrate :cheers::banana::cheers:

[ZZ-II]

:banana:, absolutely wonderful tower...will fit damn perfect in the skyline :)

[Skyline_FFM]

These are the three Skyline Plaza Towers and the Tower 185 behind them:

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/867/skylineplazata6.jpg :cheers:

[Justme]

I like this new one. It has an elegant feel to it and is a great change from the typical glass tower going up. I also like the lowrise section at the base. Looking forward to when this is complete.

Anyone know when this will be finished?

[Skyline_FFM]

As far as I know in 2010,...

[Golden Age]

As far as I know in 2010,...

Vivico says the following: "Der Bau-antrag wird im Frühsommer 2008 eingereicht. Ab August beginnt die Vorbereitung des Geländes, sodass die Arbeiten an der Baugrube im Herbst 2008 starten können. Das Sockelgebäude soll im Herbst 2010, der Turm selbst Ende 2011 fertig gestellt sein. Der Vermarktung der verbleibenden, etwa 30.000 qm Büroflächen im Tower 185 ist gestartet."

Translated that means:
a) Construction request to be handed in early Summer of 2008
b) Preparation of the site will commence in August 2008
c) Pit construction can begin in the Fall of 2008
d) Lowrise base will be completed in Fall of 2010
e) Tower will be completed end of 2011 (in 3.5 years!)
f) Marketing of the remaining 30,000 sqm has begun

Here are my 5 cents worth: The building has a novel form but the facade is a bit on the monotonous side. A good, but not great addition to the skyline.

[Hed_Kandi]

What a disgrace of a design. Building looks like it's straight out of the 80's

[goschio]

Don't really like the new tower design too much. Reminds me somehow of a Casino resort.

[Harkeb]

Frankfurt has grown spectacularly. I love that city!

[HD]

frankfurt is undergoing a 50s renaissance and the architect mäckler is the biggest name in the city right now for neo modernist architecture.

the project slightly reminds me of the very early modern highrise buildings in germany from the 20s and 30s. and the base reminds me of monumental architecture of the speer era - atleast a bit. I don't like the glas element though - it really looks like 80s chique.

I hope that is enough of mäckler for the next couple of years. I don't want a third opernturm in the city.



anyway, it's a good filler. the area will change completely until 2011. a new cluster is emerging. considering that frankfurt right now only has 10 skyscrapers (over 150m) and in a couple of months there wil be atleast 5 new such towers u/c, I think we can call it a small boom.

[brisavoine]

Think London and Paris will pass Frankfurt pretty soon, if they haven't already.
As of June 2008, number of towers higher than 150 meters already built:
- Paris: 14
- London: 10
- Frankfurt: 9

It would be interesting to count how many towers higher than 150 meters have a reasonably good chance to be built by 2015 in each of these three cities.

EDIT: Sorry, it's 14 for Paris, not 13. I missed one tower at first. :D

[HD]

that's very hard to predict. until 2011 frankfurt will have 5 more towers over 150m completed - that's for sure. but that's only 2011, and it only includes the projects, that are u/c or are about to start construction. there are a few more, that are planned to go ahead in the near future, but as long as there is no official construction confirmation, nobody can't say anything. having said that ... a few weeks ago nobody would have guessed that by the end of the year there is going to be 5 new towers over 150m u/c. the recent past has proved that frankfurt is good for a surprise.

personally I think frankfurt has reasonable chances of having 20 by 2015 (if the global economy doesn't break down) - it may not be enough to overtake paris, but it still means the compact skyline will double in 7 years.

[brisavoine]

the recent past has proved that frankfurt is good for a surprise.
One thing to take into account, however, is that the Greater Frankfurt area has a stagnating population, whereas Paris and London have rapidly increasing populations, so logically there should be much less demand for new buildings in Frankfurt than in Paris and London in the coming years.

In the 5 years from Jan. 2002 to Jan. 2007 (mid-2001 to mid-2006 for London), these are the population increase that were registered in these three metro areas (definitions I'm using here: Paris = Paris LUZ, i.e. Île-de-France; London = London LUZ, i.e. Greater London + 42 districts around Greater London; Frankfurt = Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt):
- Paris: +401,000 inhabitants over these 5 years, i.e. a total increase of +3.6%
- London: +290,300, i.e. +2.5%
- Frankfurt: +26,054, i.e. +0,7%

Another interesting thing to consider is the increase in the number of jobs. I have this info for London and Paris, but not for Frankfurt. If you can find the info for Frankfurt, it would be great to compare. Ideally, if you can find the difference between the number of jobs in the Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt in 2007 and the number of jobs in the Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt in 2002 (not to be confused with people in employment... what we need is not how many residents of Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt are in employment, but how many people actually work in Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt). So if you can find that info let me know...
personally I think frankfurt has reasonable chances of having 20 by 2015 (if the global economy doesn't break down)
That would mean 6 new skyscrapers between 2011 and 2015. That seems highly unlikely.

For Paris I'd say there is a reasonable chance to have between 8 and 11 new towers higher than 150 meters by 2015 (8 without Signal Tower and the Hermitage Twin Towers, 11 if they are built). So in total that would be 22 to 25 towers higher than 150 meters by 2015. Four more (two at Neuilly Bridge, one in Issy, and one at Levallois bridge) are still hypothetical (i.e. they are being talked about, without anything definite at this stage).

For London I have no clue given that so many projects look uncertain now. We should ask Jeff and Wjfox for a most pessimistic and most optimistic estimate. Lol.

[goschio]

One thing to take into account, however, is that the Greater Frankfurt area has a stagnating population, whereas Paris and London have rapidly increasing populations, so logically there should be much less demand for new buildings in Frankfurt than in Paris and London in the coming years.



100% of the towers in Frankfurt are office and such office demand is not really dependent on population growth. Germanys overall economic situation is way more important. Most companies that build office towers in Frankfurt are highly international and don't really rely on the local population.

[HD]

well, the frankfurt metro area (and that's not only the regierungsbezirk darmstadt) grew over 400,000 people since the nineties...and small frankfurt has grown 8,000 alone last year ... population of frankfurt city proper is expected to reach the 700,000 level relatively soon. every single prediction of the past has been too low. there are thousands of units under construction right now in the city - that alone would give 20-30,000 new people within the next few years. the second thing is the trend of returning to the city ... the number of jobs is growing too - faster than the population btw. anyway, the population thing doesn't count really. frankfurt's population has been hovering around a certain level for ages and the demand for skyscrapers was still there. and even if you insist on this point - the population of frankfurt is not stagnating anyway. so the point is not valid.


and it's not very unlikely to get 5 (not 6) towers between 2011 and 2015. frankfurt will get 5 new towers over 150m between 2008 and 2011 (= 15 in 2011, I didnt include a 160m tower, that was announced just days ago and is supposed to be completed in 2010, because I don't think it is realistic). and that's only the one that are certain, meaning u/c or about to start construction. there are atleast 5 other towers, that could start any day - even though it's not likely they start in the next year, or the year after ...

Im being realistic. if I would take a very optimistic view, Id say its going to be 25 or 30 ... but that just wouldn't be realistic.

[ZZ-II]

As of June 2008, number of towers higher than 150 meters already built:
- Paris: 14
- London: 10
- Frankfurt: 9

It would be interesting to count how many towers higher than 150 meters have a reasonably good chance to be built by 2015 in each of these three cities.

EDIT: Sorry, it's 14 for Paris, not 13. I missed one tower at first. :D

200m towers....frankfurt has 4 and paris 0 ( at least in la defense )...but lets come back to topic that's no City vs. City Thread ;)

[brisavoine]

the frankfurt metro area (and that's not only the regierungsbezirk darmstadt) grew over 400,000 people since the nineties...
We're not in the nineties anymore, we are in the 2000s, and towards the end of them actually. Depopulation is now starting to affect West Germany too (after affecting East Germany for a long time already), and the population in the Greater Frankfurt area is stagnating as shown by official population figures from destatis. One would have to be blind not to see that it will have an influence on future construction. There is simply a slower economy and less demand for new buildings when a population is not growing, or worse when it is declining. Let's just try to be realistic about the future, that's all I'm saying.
200m towers....frankfurt has 4 and paris 0 ( at least in la defense )...
Skyscrapers are usually understood as towers above 150 meters (500 feet) at roof or spire height, that's why I used that gauge.

[Rohne]

Yes, depopulation starts to affect West Germany too. But it's limited to the north of the country (Niedersachsen, Schleswig-Holstein, northern Hesse). For the south of the state of Hesse, including Frankfurt Metro Area, it is predicted that the growth will continue the next decades.
And those predictions have even been too low the last years...

[Skyline_FFM]

One thing to take into account, however, is that the Greater Frankfurt area has a stagnating population, whereas Paris and London have rapidly increasing populations, so logically there should be much less demand for new buildings in Frankfurt than in Paris and London in the coming years.

In the 5 years from Jan. 2002 to Jan. 2007 (mid-2001 to mid-2006 for London), these are the population increase that were registered in these three metro areas (definitions I'm using here: Paris = Paris LUZ, i.e. Île-de-France; London = London LUZ, i.e. Greater London + 42 districts around Greater London; Frankfurt = Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt):
- Paris: +401,000 inhabitants over these 5 years, i.e. a total increase of +3.6%
- London: +290,300, i.e. +2.5%
- Frankfurt: +26,054, i.e. +0,7%

Another interesting thing to consider is the increase in the number of jobs. I have this info for London and Paris, but not for Frankfurt. If you can find the info for Frankfurt, it would be great to compare. Ideally, if you can find the difference between the number of jobs in the Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt in 2007 and the number of jobs in the Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt in 2002 (not to be confused with people in employment... what we need is not how many residents of Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt are in employment, but how many people actually work in Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt). So if you can find that info let me know...

That would mean 6 new skyscrapers between 2011 and 2015. That seems highly unlikely.

For Paris I'd say there is a reasonable chance to have between 8 and 11 new towers higher than 150 meters by 2015 (8 without Signal Tower and the Hermitage Twin Towers, 11 if they are built). So in total that would be 22 to 25 towers higher than 150 meters by 2015. Four more (two at Neuilly Bridge, one in Issy, and one at Levallois bridge) are still hypothetical (i.e. they are being talked about, without anything definite at this stage).

For London I have no clue given that so many projects look uncertain now. We should ask Jeff and Wjfox for a most pessimistic and most optimistic estimate. Lol.

:lol: :rofl: Oh yes, Mumbai, Karachi, Lagos, Sao Paulo and Shanghai envy Paris's and London's brreathtaking demographic increasement!!!! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[brisavoine]

We're talking about Europe here, not about the rest of the world. For Europe the population growth in London and Paris (as well as Madrid, Toulouse, Dublin, and a few others) is quite brisk.

@Rohne: for the south of Hesse, official figures from Destatis show population growing extremely slowly, i.e. almost a stagnation. In fact in 2006 the Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt even lost inhabitants (5,218 inhabitants lost). For 2007, figures have not been published yet.

[FFM2007]

^^ Damn, this is so fucking off-topic in a "Projects & Construction" thread......WAYNE? :nuts:

[Isek]

brisavoine should be professor of 'demographics', special field 'german depopulation'

:nuts:

[Skyline_FFM]

Not only "German de-population" but also "German Economic de-crease", "German de-cay", "Germany de-otherthings" :lol:

[club_ultima2006]

Wow, when can we have these things in the Philippines?

[Skyline_FFM]

^^ I am surprised you ask this having a city like Makati full of gorgeous skyscrapers!!!

[Isek]

^^

I think he is refering on the terminus "de-population"!

brisavoine is simply priceless :banana:

[Skyline_FFM]

^^ :lol:

[Tom_Green]

Hmmm.... let`s talk about population

Frankfurt has around 700.000 people and has 9 towers over 150m
London has ten times more people and has only 10 towers over 150m

But Frankfurt has 2 towers that are taller than the tallest in London.

My conclusion.... population is not that important.



I am always a little bit pessimistic. I will only celebrate when they start with the construction. That way i will not be dissapointed.
On weekend i try to go to Frankfurt again and i will make an update.

[dklicious.]

Not only "German de-population" but also "German Economic de-crease", "German de-cay", "Germany de-otherthings" :lol:

Haha! Good post. And you're soo right. :D

[ZZ-II]

guys, please back to topic!!!!!!

[HD]

Hmmm.... let`s talk about population

Frankfurt has around 700.000 people and has 9 towers over 150m
London has ten times more people and has only 10 towers over 150m

But Frankfurt has 2 towers that are taller than the tallest in London.

My conclusion.... population is not that important.



I am always a little bit pessimistic. I will only celebrate when they start with the construction. That way i will not be dissapointed.
On weekend i try to go to Frankfurt again and i will make an update.

frankfurt has 10 towers over 150, and london has 9 - it's the other way round ;)

[Newcastle Guy]

frankfurt has 10 towers over 150, and london has 9 - it's the other way round ;)

No, London has ten, including the new Broadgate tower at 165m which is almost complete. I'd say it counts as a tower.

[HD]

No, London has ten, including the new Broadgate tower at 165m which is almost complete. I'd say it counts as a tower.

I was only speaking about completed towers, although I guess you could count that broadgate tower, which is as good as finished.

[Justme]

Hmmm.... let`s talk about population

Frankfurt has around 700.000 people and has 9 towers over 150m
London has ten times more people and has only 10 towers over 150m

But Frankfurt has 2 towers that are taller than the tallest in London.

My conclusion.... population is not that important.


No, what it means is that "City Proper" populations are irrelevant. A city is more than the sum of it's political boundary, and in today's economy it is effectively a sum of it's commutable catchment area. Otherwise known as the metropolitan area.

This is why say Perth in Australia which has a population of 11,000 and yet a very impressive skyline. This is not the skyline of a village of 11,000 but a metropolitan area of 1.5million.

There are plenty of other contributing factors. History and culture being one, which is why Europe lags behind the rest of the world in skyscrapers (and also why places like Frankfurt and Rotterdam leaped ahead in Europe due to WWII damage). The cities importance within a nation is also a major contributing factor as is the number of nearby cities competing for business which can dilute or spread out the number of large businesses that would use skyscrapers. Lack of land is also another major factor which is why cities like New York (island) and Hong Kong (crammed between steep hills and water) were forefronts of skyscraper developments. As well as smaller cities like Wellington, Vancouver and even Monaco.

But "city proper" population has absolutely nothing to do with this.

[HD]

some news:

DZ bank wants to erect a 230m tower - their third in town, between the cityhaus tower and the westendstrasse 1 tower. the bank wants to concentrate almost 5000 mainly new employees but also current employees from all over germany in this tower.

the union tower, which is also being occupied by them is going to be converted into apartments - if the plan gets approved.

[newfvgffm]

i am sure it is going to be approved, many new jobs, a new apartement tower, even the greens cannot say nay in this matter.

[ZZ-II]

i wouldn't be so sure, according to an article from today the DZ bank is NOT allowed to build a tower on that plot

[newfvgffm]

^

Look at the past, u will realize that many projects never supposed to built at all came along.
In articles concerning this matter they ALSO say that they will still talk after the summer break in the Magistrat.

[Skyline_FFM]

Yes, and as a result of the talks it will be shortened by 10m and is still good with 220m,... :D

[ZZ-II]

i really want to have that 230m tower, and i bet it will be build...but i've big doubts that this dream will become reality. even when they can build a tower there, i guess it will be downsized to less than 200m

[HD]

looks like construction of T185 is starting next week - more here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505636&page=9)

[Dale]

Re: Green opposition to highrises, is the municipal government still a CDU-Green alliance ? Is Petra still the mayor ? How much clout do the Greens have ?

Thanks in advance.

[derUlukai]

yeah, mighty petra(the best female mayor we had so far :D ) is still mayor with a little help of the greens.. greens have enough influence to prevent a nearly safe 230m highrise, said enough? :ohno:

still, the new highrise plan got published (http://www.stvv.frankfurt.de/parlisobj/M_106_2008_AN1.pdf)online, together with the city overall highrise concept (http://www.stvv.frankfurt.de/parlisobj/M_106_2008_AN2.pdf). they contain a lot of information (partly disputed; as on one sheet winx is still listed with 180m, and marieninsel with 250 on the diagram) but sadly no building taller then 210m.. :ohno:

[Dale]

yeah, mighty petra(the best female mayor we had so far :D ) is still mayor with a little help of the greens.. greens have enough influence to prevent a nearly safe 230m highrise, said enough? :ohno:

still, the new highrise plan got published (http://www.stvv.frankfurt.de/parlisobj/M_106_2008_AN1.pdf)online, together with the city overall highrise concept (http://www.stvv.frankfurt.de/parlisobj/M_106_2008_AN2.pdf). they contain a lot of information (partly disputed; as on one sheet winx is still listed with 180m, and marieninsel with 250 on the diagram) but sadly no building taller then 210m.. :ohno:

Well, look at it this way: Does any city punch above its weight like Frankfurt ? Seriously, as small as it is, and one of only ten 'Alpha Cities' in the world. Damned impressive if you ask me.

[goschio]

New office building for the Deutsche Börse AG in Eschborn (Frankfurt metro). Construction should start this year.

Height just below 100m
20 floors
53,000 sqm
construction start: fall 2008
finished: summer 2010
architect: KSP Engel und Zimmermann


http://www.faz.net/m/%7BEEDCF5B0-6A57-4B9A-B1A7-A7129A89179D%7DPicture.jpg

http://www.faz.net/s/Rub8D05117E1AC946F5BB438374CCC294CC/Doc~EFA32066E482B49F8BAE1B940B8620784~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html

[Skyline_FFM]

:| A glass cube? That is really kinda boring!!!! :eek:

[goschio]

I don't think its boring at all. Looks very elegant IMO. Especially the black framework looks great.

[city_thing]

Yeah, I think it looks elegant and timeless. I certainly wouldn't mind it being built in my city.