Everything about greek railway projects...

I hope there is no a similar thread otherwise dear mods please merge them.

http://www.mensamagazine.gr/Hellas/Treno.jpg

Athens - Patras new railway line
(partially completed - under construction the section Corinth-Patras)

Some news about this project of very high importance since the railway network of Peloponnese was actually abandoned for many decades.


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The new line will replace the current metric gauge single line.
It is designed for speeds of 200 Km/h for the section Athens-Corinth-Lygia
150 Km/h for the section Lygia-Aegion , and 100-150 Km/h for the final section (and the most difficult) Aegion-Patras.
The electrification is designed for speeds up to 250 Km/h.

Completed (March 2007)

Untill now it is completed and in use the section Athens (SKA- Aharcnes Traffic Center) - Corinth (80 Km).

Ready untill JUly 2007
Till the summer will be ready the section Corinth-Kiato (21Km).

Under construction :

The next section (112 km total length) is divided in two parts :

1) Kiato - Aegion (71 Km) is under construction and it will be ready in 2010.The cost of the project is 578 million €

2) Aegion - Patras (41 Km) will be ready in 2013.The cost of the project is 423 million €

The electrification of the section Athens-Corinth-Kiato will be ready in 2009 while the rest part (untill Patras) will be ready in 2013.

And some photos....

Hagioi Theodoroi tunnel

http://www.ergose.gr/ergosesite/_images/uploaded/%D3%DE%F1%E1%E3%E3%E1_%C1%E3_%C8%E5%EF%E4%FE%F1%F9%ED_large%20.jpg

Kakia Skala Tunnel

http://www.ergose.gr/ergosesite/_images/uploaded/SIRAGGA_K_SKALAS_large.jpg

Coastal bridge near Megara

http://www.ergose.gr/ergosesite/_images/uploaded/EPAKTIA_GEFIRA_MEGARA_large.jpg

http://www.ergose.gr/ergosesite/_images/uploaded/Epaktia_Gefira_large.jpg

Isthmus of Corinth bridge

http://www.ergose.gr/ergosesite/_images/uploaded/Gefira_isthmou_large.jpg

Nea Peramos Station

http://www.ergose.gr/ergosesite/_images/uploaded/SS_NPeramos_new_large.jpg

Corinth Railway station

http://www.ergose.gr/ergosesite/_images/uploaded/ss_korinthou_large.jpg

http://www.ergose.gr/ergosesite/_images/uploaded/ss_korinthou_new_large.jpg

Kineta railway station

http://www.ergose.gr/ergosesite/_images/uploaded/SS_Kinetas_new_large.jpg

Kiato railway station (not yet finished)

http://www.ergose.gr/ergosesite/_images/uploaded/STATHMOS_KIATOU_large.jpg

A brand new passenger railway built without electrification?

I wasn't aware that these where the trains being used on this line.

A brand new passenger railway built without electrification?

Tubeman thats right! :) :(
Actually the line is designed to be electrified (and there are allready bought new electric DMUs) but there were huge delays.(various reasons not to mention now)
The electrification will be ready (according to ERGOSE) in 2009.
The only finished work is the line from the Airport untill Neratziotissa station (Athens)

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9616/94257053ha2.jpg

@Giorgo the trains that are in use currently for this line are STADLER DMUs and for the small electrified part DESIROs

An interesting part of the procedure of building new railway lines in Greece is the cases of unexpected discoveries of antiquities.
In such cases the relevant Antiquities Councils carry out excavations at ERGOSE’s expense, and the further actions and technical solutions are adopted on a case by case basis, also taking under consideration the importance of the findings.

So happened during the construction of the new line Athens-Corinth there were many discoveries of important antiquities :

In the Isthmus – Ancient Corinth section of the Elefsina – Corinth line, the new railway line intersects with the Justinian Wall. In the 6th century AD Justinian showed a special interest in the safety of Corinth and built the well-known wall along the Isthmus of Corinth, many parts of which are still preserved. ERGOSE has taken all necessary measures in order to protect and display the Justinian Wall.
In particular, a railway bridge was constructed over the wall, with a span of 72 m, and the space around the monument was formed – remodelled in order to better display and protect the wall.

Also in the region of Corinth and Sikiona large scale excavations are carried out.

Findings discovered during excavations near Corinth at Corinth railway station :

http://www.ergose.gr/ergosesite/_images/uploaded/EKTHEMATA_STON_STATHMO_KORINTHOU_large.jpg

Tubeman thats right! :) :(
Actually the line is designed to be electrified (and there are allready bought new electric DMUs) but there were huge delays.(various reasons not to mention now)
The electrification will be ready (according to ERGOSE) in 2009.
The only finished work is the line from the Airport untill Neratziotissa station (Athens)

Fair enough. It did seem a bit strange...

2 of our intercity mainline routes are still diesel in the UK, so we can hardly talk (Midland Mainline beyond Bedford and the entire Great Western network to the SW and Wales).

Thanks for this post! I really interested in Greek railway and Greece in general, i think spanish and greeks are very similar. Well done!

@tubeman thanbks for the info , i did not know that there are still not electrified lines in UK

@Frozen thank you friend! :) Well to say the truth we are very far behind in railway infrastructure but something is moving the last years , Spain is a model for Greece!

and some more good news!!

Diakofto - Kalavryta rack railway

http://www.touristorama.com/2004/Files/KalavrytaMap_e_small.jpg

[b]The narrowest rack railways in Europe and the only one in Greece. It dates back to 1896.
Its length is 23 Km and the last 50 years it had not seen any investment or upgrade.
Finally the greek state decided to upgrade the track (though without changing its width) and ordered 4 new rack DMUs from the swiss expert industry in rack railways STADLER.
The first new trainset was delivered and untill the end the end of 2008 the line will be again fully operational with the new trains!

From www.Stadler.com
The Greek federal railways OSE have ordered 4 new three-part tourist trains for the railway line from Diakofto to Kalavryta on the Peloponnesus. The existing rolling stock, which is over 40 years old, is to be replaced on the existing, 22.3 km long rack railway in the north of the Peloponnesus. This railway construction has an extremely narrow gauge track of only 750 mm and runs from the scenic coastal town of Diakofto up to the mountainous hiking area of Kalavryta. Diesel traction allows the tourist trains to overcome a difference of 700 m in height over 3 rack sections. The new, lightweight Stadler rack railcars are built with very low axle loads, tailored to this narrow gauge route, which is unique in the world

This is the currently used very old trains (www.railfaneurope.net)

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/narrow_gauge/3000/Narrow.jpg

And these are the new trainsets!


http://www.signalmeister.at/cms/images/stories/diakofto.jpg

The photo above is the first new rack DMU (taken from www.railfaneurope.net)

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/narrow_gauge/3100/ose_bdmh_rr1.jpg

Project:
“Construction of Aegio Tunnel in the Kiato –
Aegio section of the Athens – Patras High-Speed Railway Line”

Budget: € 72,6 million

Contractual amount: € 53,57 million
Signing date: 24/5/2006
Contractor: “J/V TERNA SA – MOCHLOS SA – AKTOR SA”
Implementation time: 34 months

The above project includes the construction of the following:
• Aegio double-track tunnel, 3252 m long, with 3 escape adits totalling 805 m
• 3 Cover & Cuts, totalling 265,85 m, at the entrance and exit of the main tunnel
• 3 pilewalls, totalling 368,05 m (West drive)
• 1 Overpass (ΤΟ3), 32 m long (East drive).
The underground alignment runs under “Kouloura” area and then, bypassing the city of Egio, reaches the area of “Kouniniotis” factory.

Under construction (March 2007) Aegio double-track railway tunnel

http://www.ergose.gr/ergosesite/_images/uploaded/SIRAGGA_AIGIOU_large.jpg

Escape tunnel (March 2007)

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7241/aegiorailwayescapetunnein2.jpg

very huge project...

will Patras Athens be line "high speed"?

Kuvvaci it will not be high-speed by west european standards, but for Greece (which lacks of good railway network) sure it will be.
The website of ERGOSE (www.ergose.gr) (Ergose is responsible for the new projects) informs us that :

The modernization programme of the Athens (SKA) – Patras railway corridor includes the construction of a new double-track standard gauge railway line from Acharnes Traffic Center (SKA) to Patras, in replacement of the existing single-track metric gauge line.

Maximum train speed will reach 200 km/hour along most of the new line (Athens – Corinth – Ligia), 150 km/hour in the Ligia – Egio section and 100 – 150 km/hour in the Egio – Patras section.

The projects’ progress in the ATHENS (SKA) – KIATO section is as follows:

The 80 km long railway line in the Athens (SKA) – Corinth section was opened to traffic in September 2005, whereas the remaining works in the areas of all stations are scheduled for completion in 2007.

In the 21 km long Corinth – Kiato section, construction works are in progress and the double-track line section is scheduled for completion in June 2007.
When the remaining planned investment projects are completed in the KIATO – PATRAS section, the entire corridor will consist of a standard gauge line, thus ensuring complete interoperability of the Athens – Patras corridor with the Central and Northern Greece network.

Regarding electrification :

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So as you see they use the word "high speed" though it is not so high in some cases. Also there is a confusion since the electrification enables speeds of 250 km/h but the track (?) does not.I dont get this ,perhaps its for security reasons , or someone who knows about reailways can explain.
It is announced that after the completion of the works the distance Athens-Patras will be covered in a total time of 2 hours which is an improvement from the current 3 and a half hours that someone needs today (though i was expecting less time for such much money spent)
Though there will be many tunnels unfortunatelly the terrain of north Peloponnese (especially in Achaia region) is so difficult that the trains will not be able to reach speeds of 200 km/h the last 50 kms.

Though there will be many tunnels

The longest being about 20 km long, isn'it?

A map: http://bueker.net/trainspotting/maps_greece.php

Very interesting! There seems to be lots of projects in Greece right now, with new lines and upgrades. If the map at bueker is correct, you are electrifying the whole Athens-Thessaloliki line. Tell us about it, please! :-D

Love the color scheme of the buildings
but how can they use wooden sleepers in this time and age?

Dear Mattboy, the map you found on the net is correct!!

Love the color scheme of the buildings
but how can they use wooden sleepers in this time and age?

Geia sou Hp500hp! :)
i am also surprised , in most new stations they use pre-stressed concrete sleepers , a possible explanation is that the specific track shown in the picture is the one used from the metric gauge old line (since from the new Corinth station begins the single track metric line which continues to the rest of Peloponnese.)

http://www.ergose.gr/ergosesite/_images/uploaded/koropi_008_large.jpg

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/8466/concretesleepersgreekrayf2.jpg

Very interesting! There seems to be lots of projects in Greece right now, with new lines and upgrades. If the map at bueker is correct, you are electrifying the whole Athens-Thessaloliki line. Tell us about it, please! :-D

Mattboy the whole electrification project is an old story which has allready costed millions of euro and still no electric trainsets are used.
We all hope that it is possible in the next 5-6 years to see at least a 80% of the line to be electrified.

The longest being about 20 km long, isn'it?

A map: http://bueker.net/trainspotting/maps_greece.php

Coccodrillo the map is accurate but the information about the tunnel is false.
The longest railway tunnel project (under construction) is the Kallidromon mountain twin tunnels in central Greece , (each tube has length 9.2 Km)

Some photos from the greek fleet of trains that are currently (2007) in use

Suburbun Trains Aroun Athens and Thessaloniki
http://users.ntua.gr/dtert/trena/stathmi/AgiiAnargyri_rb4504a.jpg
http://users.ntua.gr/dtert/trena/stathmi/AthinaLar_rb560914a.jpg
http://users.ntua.gr/dtert/trena/stathmi/AthinaLar_des660204+1a.jpg
http://users.ntua.gr/dtert/trena/stathmi/AthinaLar_des660203a.jpg
http://users.ntua.gr/dtert/trena/stathmi/Kifissias_des660207a.jpg
http://users.ntua.gr/dtert/trena/stathmi/PireasLar_des660202a.jpg

Trains For Larissa, Thessaloniki and general northern Greece:
http://users.ntua.gr/dtert/trena/stathmi/AIR_ic520201a.jpg
http://users.ntua.gr/dtert/trena/stathmi/RoufLar_ad220031a.jpg

Trains in Peloponnese (for Patras,Olympia, Pyrgos, Kalamata, Nafplio)
http://static.flickr.com/110/257638551_3f360f264f.jpg
http://users.ntua.gr/dtert/trena/stathmi/AthinaPel_man6521+28a.jpg

All the above trains are air-conditioned, but have diesel engines. Up to now (April 2007) there are only some exceptions, such as the lines Neratziotissa-Athens Airport, Thessaloniki-Skopje and Thessaloniki-Sofia, which do use electric powered trains. However the improvement continuous...:)

useful internet sites in greek and english
www.ose.gr
www.ergose.gr
www.proastiakos.gr

And some photos from railway stations around Greece. The majority of them are very old, but also very beautiful due to ther architectural style and colors and were built the last half of the 19th century...

Peloponnese Station in Athens. This used to be the start point for trains going to peloponnese.
http://users.ntua.gr/dtert/trena/stathmi/AthinaPel_station6.jpg
http://users.ntua.gr/dtert/trena/stathmi/AthinaPel_station7.jpg

Mucynes
http://users.ntua.gr/dtert/trena/stathmi/Mykines_station1.jpg

Argos (before Nafplio)
http://users.ntua.gr/dtert/trena/stathmi/Argos_station3.jpg

Tripoli
http://users.ntua.gr/dtert/trena/stathmi/Tripoli_station2.jpg

Pyrgos
http://users.ntua.gr/dtert/trena/stathmi/Pyrgos_station1.jpg

Olympia
http://users.ntua.gr/dtert/trena/stathmi/Olympia_station1.jpg

Now the Peloponnese Station is closed and it will be transformed to a museum. The trains for peloponnese leave from Larissa station as happens also for the trains that travel to northern Greece.

Athens Central Railway Station or Larissa Station (destinations for all of Greece:2007)
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/station/A/athens.jpg
http://www.athensguide.com/schedules/athens-train-station.jpg

Chalkida
http://users.ntua.gr/dtert/trena/stathmi/Chalkida_station1.jpg

Volos
http://users.ntua.gr/dtert/trena/stathmi/Volos_station1.jpg

Thessaloniki Railway Station
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/station/S-T/2005_HU_1_084.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/station/S-T/2005_HU_1_085.jpg

Ksanthi
http://users.ntua.gr/dtert/trena/stathmi/Xanthi_station1.jpg

In conclusion I'd like to say that do travel with train in Greece. Travel is very comfortable (especially with InterCity and Express InterCity trains) and trains pass through marvelous landscapes, gorges, mountains, forests and rivers...you will see a differernt aspect of Greece!!! Islands and ships is only one part of Greece very advertised all this years!!! Try the different and discover mainland Greece by train!!!:)

In Greece, apart from the Train of "Ododontos" (rack railway), which connects Diakofto with Kalavryta (Peloponnese area) (for details read the previous posts) there is also an other narrow gague railway (0.6 m).
This railway line connects villages at the foot of Pilion mountain, near the city of Volos (Thessaly Area - Central Creece). Today is operational only for sightseeing. For more info have a look in these sites:
http://www.volos-city.gr/ecportal.asp?id=579&nt=18&lang=2
http://www.i-politismos.gr/train_eng.html
:)

Some videos with greek trains....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z3yIJ1KFms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W43TkgSHwLk

this video shows the entrance of a metro train, coming from the Athens Airport, into the underground line 3. During this the train stops in order to switch the source of electric power. Thus means that instead of using the aerial electric cable it starts to use the ground electric line...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCE5I4oKG4k

All the above trains are air-conditioned, but have diesel engines. Up to now (April 2007) there are only some exceptions, such as the lines Neratziotissa-Athens Airport, Thessaloniki-Skopje and Thessaloniki-Sofia, which do use electric powered trains. However the improvement continuous...:)

useful internet sites in greek and english
www.ose.gr
www.ergose.gr
www.proastiakos.gr

there should be a high speed line sofia thessaloniki, trains should reach thessaloniki in 3 hours, i hope they will buy some high speed trains to do that, i hope they will build new rails in bulgaria soon and buy some high speed trains so that this will be possible.

You are right!!! :)

Athens's Larissis station is unbelievably small for a city of its size. It's about the size of Guildford station here in the UK! Are there any plans to expand or renovate it?

There are plans to expand Larissis station. Below you can find some of the renderings that Konstantinoupolis posted on the Hellenic Architecture forum.



http://www.meletitiki.gr/static/images/articles/ose1.jpg

http://www.meletitiki.gr/static/images/related_images/ose3_big.jpg

http://www.meletitiki.gr/static/images/related_images/ose4_big.jpg

http://www.meletitiki.gr/static/images/related_images/ose5_big.jpg

http://www.meletitiki.gr/static/images/related_images/ose6_big.jpg

http://www.meletitiki.gr/static/images/related_images/ose7_big.jpg

από meletitiki.gr

Well I'm going to speak to someone in PR at OSE tomorrow. Shoulda posted earlier if there's any questions you want answered.
I for one am disheartened with the new rolling stock, especially what they will do on the Peloponnese line. The new trains I've been on are awful - loud, the overhead racks and other things vibrate when the train's in motion, unlike the older ones, and you can't look out the windows at night - only reflection of the very bright inside of the train. Very romantic (not). Maybe I'm too romantic, but they should keep the old trains and the old line, at least in the Peloponnese, as one of the few remaining old-style train journeys. I even heard they used to have smoke stacks for when they grilled souvlakis on the train! What a great trip that would be!
As for what is working at the moment, not much (and TERRIBLE for tourism):
* You can no longer get off the train in Corinth town or at Isthmus (canal). Those stations are closed, apart from opening for one overnight train. The trip to Corinth is now operated by Proastiakos, and only to the New Corinth station, some miles away.
* There is no line from Corinth down to Argos, Nafplio, and around to Kalamata (and hasn't been one, at least since 2004).
* The Diakofto-Kalavryta rack-rail is not operational. Maybe next year...
* I also read they were going to make a train line from Igoumenitsa to Kalambaka by 2012. Doesn't seem to be in the plan anymore.
* As for the Athens station, it's 'spose to be redone. But the old Peloponnese station is such a charmer - and they closed it. All in the name of progress... (and of course, lining someone's pocket - I think why OSE got taken to the European court recently).

Update:
* Not re-doing the main Athens train station for the foreseeable future.
* Proastiakos from Athens/airport to Corinth only stops at New Corinth station; No longer service to Corinth (town) or Isthmos (canal).
* Not doing the line from Corinth-Argos-Nafplio-...-Kalamata for the foreseeable future.
* No longer service between Volos and Paleofarsala.
* No longer service to Loutraki.
* Not making a line between Igoumenitsa and Kalambaka on the mainland until "2030, maybe!"
* New Proastiakos (suburban railway) service between Piraeus and the airport starts on Monday June 4.
* Diakofto-Kalavryta rail MIGHT be operational later this year. OSE or ERGOSE (spoke to both) would not confirm.
* There will be a train from Athens to Moscow this summer, like last summer.

Athens Central Railway Station or Larissa Station (destinations for all of Greece:2007)
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/station/A/athens.jpg
http://www.athensguide.com/schedules/athens-train-station.jpg


Thanks for the fascinating post and info on Greek trains and developments.

Can I ask a question though. Is that above really Athen's central railway station? Or is there a bigger, more important station in Athens. This one looks very small and entirely inappropriate for such a big city like Athens.

Are there any plans to enlarge or modernize this station?

Yes...unfortunately this is Athens Central Railway Station...!!! It's a shame I Know...there are plans for its expansion...but the works that are currently under way have a very slow rate of progress....
Have a look in the following site...
http://www.meletitiki.gr/48/article/english/48/76/index.html

I say, as long as it does the job adequately, why change it? Remembering that this is Greece, if they make a bigger station, they'll hire lots more deadwood (staff), of which I think there's more than enough already who don't do ANYTHING. Case in point: there were 5 or 6 people in the press office. Doing what, exactly, when all they wanted was for me not to find them (no telno, door closed, no reply to email, etc, etc). They prefer everyone dial 1110, even if insufficient. Sorry people - am truly a rail enthusiast (my great-grandfather incidentally was the first editor of the Railway Magazine (UK) back at the turn of the last century, so maybe in my blood), but what I've seen and read about OSE really makes me cynical (also from looking up stories within the past year on ekathimerini.com...)
Sorry - needed to vent!

I just came back from Greece where I wanted to travel around by train - but the whole Peloponnes railway was u/c - even the mountain trains and I was looking really forward to some train rides there :cry: :bash:

Hope they manage to finnish it soon that it will be as great as the metropolitan trains in Athens (Korinth-Athens is fantastic!).

I post here some photos from the greek fleet of trains. They were taken by the web site of the friends of the Greek Railways...enjoy!!! (http://www.sfs.gr/gallery_index.php?top=topbg2&categ=9)

http://media.sfs.gr/files/images/520105_Kineta_5-2-2006_VChatzichronoglou.jpg

http://media.sfs.gr/files/images/A488_Chalkida_17-1-2006_GKaragiannis3.jpg

http://media.sfs.gr/files/images/560xxx_Kilkis_LeyterisPapadimitriou.jpg

http://media.sfs.gr/files/images/520xxx_Asopos_LeyterisPapadimitriou.jpg

http://media.sfs.gr/files/images/520xxx_Strymonas_3-2004_NFotis.jpg

This is the new site on the net for the Greek Railways...in case anybody wants info...
http://www.ose.gr/ose/content/Home.aspx?d=39&rd=16685622&f=-1&rf=-1&m=-1&rm=-1&l=1

...more photos from railway stations and trains around Greece...

Volos Railway Station and a diesel Siemens Desiro ready to depart for Larisa (capital of Thessaly - Central Greece)
http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/6318563.jpg

Trikala Raulway Station (Thessaly)
http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/4160458.jpg

Thessaloniki Central Railway Station (Macedonia-Norhern Greece)
http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/8213929.jpg

...some trains parked...
http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/8214030.jpg
:)

Works in Thriassio have a very fast process! http://www.amnizia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1188&start=60.

For them who don't know what Thriassio will be, it's going to be the main yard of Athens, main cargo yard of Peloponnes. A very big area, a paradise for railfans!

The best picture page of Greek railways: http://www.gallerypanos.fotopic.net

AVassilios

Thanks for informative thread. Looks like Greek railways have good news :)

Thanks a lot - those photos really made my day! I'm so used to seeing Stadler's DMU Railbus on secondary lines in Switzerland (where I used to live), usually with the mountains of Graubunden or the cows of Emmental in the background. It's totally cool to see this old friend rollling on the plains of Thessaloniki. ;-)

One question though: all the information on this thread deals with the new line between Athens and Patras. Does anybody know where we stand with the line upgradings between Athens and Thessaloniki? I seem to remember that the Greek railways had all kinds of problems with a couple of tunnels they need to build to get into southern Thessalia (wasn't one of them called Kallidromo?), but for more than a year I haven't heard a peep.

The best picture page of Greek railways: http://www.gallerypanos.fotopic.net


Maybe this is off-topic, but i want to correct you. It's http://gallerypanos.fotopic.net ! Not with www

Views of the Kallidromou tunnel. The biggest ever constructed in Greece (double tunnel 2 X 9 km)

http://www.amnizia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=16659&g2_serialNumber=3

http://www.amnizia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=16744&g2_serialNumber=3

Train "intercity" type AEG in Central Station of Athens
http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/pictures/AEG.jpg

Local Train type MAN 2000 in Central Station of Athens
http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/pictures/Man-2000_medium.jpg

Interrior of local train type MAN 2000
http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/pictures/man2000_interrior_medium.jpg

Local train MAN 1 (Narrow gauge) in Edesa Station
http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/pictures/man1_medium.jpg

Intercity Express (ICE) passes from Sfendali Station.Locomotive is type Bombardier Adtranz
http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/pictures/sfendaliICE1_medium.jpg


A forum for ralifuns-Greek- is the:
http://www.amnizia.com

Thessaloniki Central Railway Station 3 years ago.

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You have same name (ICE) like Germans but German ICE is a high speed train going up to 320km/h!!!! Are there some plans for a high speed rail in Direction Central Europe???

The new line "Patra-Athens-Thesaloniki-Eidomeni (idomeni) PATHE is desighned for 220km/h.Is double electrical line.ICE in Greace,means a train with only 4 stops totaly (departure and arival stations incl).For example ICE number 50 from Athens to Thesaloniki stops only in Lianokladi,and Larisa,and has finaly stop Thesaloniki.The travel time is 4 hour 20 min.If you want more information about Greek Railway,you can be member in www.amnizia.com a web site special about trains.Is Greek,but you can ask any question in English.

The new line "Patra-Athens-Thesaloniki-Eidomeni (idomeni) PATHE is desighned for 220km/h.Is double electrical line.ICE in Greace,means a train with only 4 stops totaly (departure and arival stations incl).For example ICE number 50 from Athens to Thesaloniki stops only in Lianokladi,and Larisa,and has finaly stop Thesaloniki.The travel time is 4 hour 20 min.If you want more information about Greek Railway,you can be member in www.amnizia.com a web site special about trains.Is Greek,but you can ask any question in English.

An interesting information for me too. Thanks.

A MAN 2000 local train in Inoi Station,before departures to Athens.

http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/pictures/MAN%202000%20130908s.jpg

Until a decade Greek Railways network wasn't in a good state with old tracks and old trains but thanks to Greece's entry to EU there has been a massive investment to Greek railways. I hope soon Turkey joins EU and Turkish Railways get better.

Tubeman thats right! :) :(
Actually the line is designed to be electrified (and there are allready bought new electric DMUs) but there were huge delays.(various reasons not to mention now)
The electrification will be ready (according to ERGOSE) in 2009.
The only finished work is the line from the Airport untill Neratziotissa station (Athens)

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9616/94257053ha2.jpg

@Giorgo the trains that are in use currently for this line are STADLER DMUs and for the small electrified part DESIROs

Electric DMUs?

for a good railway no need for the EU, our current projects are enough... I think you talk without knowing once more.

Electric DMUs?
Airport-Nerantiotissa (soon also to SKA) with Desiro EMU! vids on youtube!
you don't need EU to extend the railway network, the EU was just good like giving advices to Greece, like hey guys, you'll miss some good thing if you don't start to upgrate your network. :)

Greek network is on a good way to became a wonderful one, only OSE is the black sheep in the Greek railway, so I wish private operators. Is there open acess planned?

Is very dificult for private operators.Ose has problems but if the goverment wants,can to grow up.All the constructions in Greek railways is from ose's funds or loans,and not from ministry.
Sorry for my english!

Until a decade Greek Railways network wasn't in a good state with old tracks and old trains but thanks to Greece's entry to EU there has been a massive investment to Greek railways. I hope soon Turkey joins EU and Turkish Railways get better.

Don't see any direct connection with Greece being an EU state, and upgrading the railways infustructure.And i am sure that as Turkey is concerned, the railways are being under some serious upgrades too.

As for the Greek railways, unfortunately even the most positive thoughts wont make them look perfect, sure there are some major improvements, but the works are delayed a lot and the new trains that were bought before 2004 are still waiting to enter service, or are only partly running part of the upgraded and now electrified lines.But the upgraded infrastructure is only positive of course:)

Guys, what is the difference of intercity trains and intercity express except electricity. What are their lines?

The train Intercity Express goes only to Thesaloniki and have only 4 stations (arival and departures stations included).The simpe Intercity goes to Alexandroupoli.The simple I.C has 11 stations to Thessaloniki.You can see the timetables in site www.ose.gr
You will choose departure ATHENS and arivale Thesaloniki.

Is very dificult for private operators.Ose has problems but if the goverment wants,can to grow up.All the constructions in Greek railways is from ose's funds or loans,and not from ministry.
Sorry for my english!

Yeah I know, built by ergOSE :D, but who pays it? 50% EU, 50% Greek government/ministry. So there shouldn't be any problems giving open acess licenses out.

most of money is from loans.The goverment not pays for railways...Only for roads....

The train Intercity Express goes only to Thesaloniki and have only 4 stations (arival and departures stations included).The simpe Intercity goes to Alexandroupoli.The simple I.C has 11 stations to Thessaloniki.You can see the timetables in site www.ose.gr
You will choose departure ATHENS and arivale Thesaloniki.


thank you for the answer! What about the technical and quality differences?

The IC is realized by AEG train (as this http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/index.php?iID=471 IC arived in Athens central station) and the intercity express is realized by one locomotive type Bombardier ADTRANZ and 4 vehicles (as this http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/index.php?iID=520 is a ICE from Thesaloniki.)

what is the speed of current inter city and express trains?

Now,the maximum speed is 160 kph but in near future will be 200 kph.The line is not completed yet.

120 for both trains. I mean IC and ICE?

Yes.The only difference between IC,ICE is the number of stops,not the speed.

Sorry,i did wrong.The maximum speed now is 160kph and in near future will be 200 kph.
You can see this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqJAM8A8H-o

The first train is an AEG.

Sorry,i did wrong.The maximum speed now is 160kph and in near future will be 200 kph.
You can see this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqJAM8A8H-o

This summer I took Proastiakos from Larissa Station to Corinth en route to Kiato...I couldn't work out why it was an old train? I thought they that line only used the new cars?

Which way is quicker in travelling witihn Greece? By train or by bus?

This summer I took Proastiakos from Larissa Station to Corinth en route to Kiato...I couldn't work out why it was an old train? I thought they that line only used the new cars?

I think you went to Corinth with MAN 2000 as this
http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/index.php?iID=535.Ose had rent desiro dmu (diesel) but the contract expired and now in the part Athens-Corinth uses MAN2000 or Railbus http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/index.php?iID=498.The goverment and the Minister mr Hatzidakis don't give money to buy new trains...

Which way is quicker in travelling witihn Greece? By train or by bus?

Not exist one answer in this question.Where you want go in Greece?If you want go from Athens to Thesaloniki the faster is the train.Intercity and intercity express and the trains with number 50x for example (500,502) and 501-503 from Thesaloniki.Are faster tha buses and cheaper.If you want go to Kalamata (South Peloponisos) you must go by bus becouse the train is out of service for reconstruction.

The Intecity 75 from Nea Orestiada (Evros) arived in Athens central.

http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/pictures/imaginas_adtranz_ose1.jpg

http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/pictures/imaginas_adtranz_ose2.jpg

http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/pictures/imaginas_intercity75.jpg

How much part of Greek RR network is double-track?

I don't know exactly but the main system is double.And Athens-Kiato.Peloponisos.

did you take those pix, my friend?

When will Greece actually build HST lines?

Maybe in 2010.


If will be completed the new system control of traffic

I like these trains the best
http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/1949/largeout10029fv.jpg

did you take those pix, my friend?

All of photos are mine

http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/index.php?iID=509

http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/index.php?iID=513

http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/index.php?iID=512

Is a Desriro diesel.Is very fast and quiet train.Yes is very good.The contract expired and you can't see again...

I like these trains the best
http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/1949/largeout10029fv.jpg

When did it expire and why won't they be bought?

I think,expired in 2006,but i am not sure.Ose didn't buy becouse don't have money!

what is the line of Desriro trains?


İmaginas, I have another question. Signomi I ask so much, I know :) ; What is the last situation of new construction of Athens Larisa station? There was a construction before, but when I saw next time, there was minimum progress. I mean construction was going on very slow. Is there any change? does the station start to be shaped?

what is the line of Desriro trains?


İmaginas, I have another question. Signomi I ask so much, I know :) ; What is the last situation of new construction of Athens Larisa station? There was a construction before, but when I saw next time, there was minimum progress. I mean construction was going on very slow. Is there any change? does the station start to be shaped?

Desiro used in Line Neratziotisa-Athens Airport and Thesaloniki-Larisa

Ose had problems with the law about the constructions.Some people want the lines underground becouse say have noise and are dangerous for accidents.Now the constructions are in progress.
I hope to ask in your questions!

I am quite sure desiros were bought, otherwise why the hell were they stood in Thessaloniki for so many years...and now also serve Thessaloniki-Larisa suburban line,probably the diesel ones were loaned til the electrification is done, but certainly ose did bought the regular desiros:)

Here is a picture of a desiro in Larisa city station:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3153/2867694883_6ff85f2ec9_b.jpg

Desiro used in Line Neratziotisa-Athens Airport and Thesaloniki-Larisa

Ose had problems with the law about the constructions.Some people want the lines underground becouse say have noise and are dangerous for accidents.Now the constructions are in progress.
I hope to ask in your questions!


thank you... could you please take the photos of the construction when you have time to go to Larisa Station?

Only the Desiros EMU was bought.The diesels was rent.
Και στα Ελληνικά!Μόνο τα Ηλεκτροκίνητα αγοράστηκαν.Τα πετρελαιοκίνητα,ενοικιάστηκαν και μετά έφυγαν.Και η βλακεία είναι ότι πλήρωσαν για ενοίκιο όσο περίπου θα κόστιζαν να τα αγόραζαν!

thank you... could you please take the photos of the construction when you have time to go to Larisa Station?

I will try.The problem doesn't is the time.Is the security!

you can take from the railway bridge :D no one can see

I know the bridge over the station.I will try.Stay tuned!

Wikipedia says that train service from Athens to airport has been suspended because of some works on the track. Have those works finished and the train service started?

If you want go to airport from athens now,you take the train with destination kiaton (peloponisos) and at first station you change train with destination neratziotisa,and after you take the electric train with destination airport!!!You need about 30minutes for this route.

Does this electric train call at Athen's Central Station?

In Athens Central not exist electric line yet.

Only the Desiros EMU was bought.The diesels was rent.
Και στα Ελληνικά!Μόνο τα Ηλεκτροκίνητα αγοράστηκαν.Τα πετρελαιοκίνητα,ενοικιάστηκαν και μετά έφυγαν.Και η βλακεία είναι ότι πλήρωσαν για ενοίκιο όσο περίπου θα κόστιζαν να τα αγόραζαν!

Το ίδιο λέμε:D

Does this electric train call at Athen's Central Station?

The electrification is working from Thessaloniki to Larisa, not any further yet.

you can take from the railway bridge :D no one can see
i think that the bridge does not exist anymore, because of the construction for the new rr station. i said I THINK :D i'm not sure...

The bridge over the platforms exists.You can see it in following photos.Is behind the train!

http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/index.php?iID=535

i think that the bridge does not exist anymore, because of the construction for the new rr station. i said I THINK :D i'm not sure...

without this bridge it is impossible to pass to Peleponisos Station (also OSE's international Bus lines-International Buses are not from KTEL and OSE is a railway company wich also operates buses).
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Athens Larisa Main Train Station in the future.
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9738/35830688dr9.png

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9729/39769336pl1.png

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/2964/81504021te9.png


Athens Larisa Main Train Station present situation (photos are taken by me)
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2139/larisaru7.jpg

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5319/larisa2fb0.jpg

everest cafe makes the best toast I've ever eaten
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/3096/larisa1zz0.jpg

Nice photos :)

Amigo,¿podemos ver fotografías de Venezuela?.Trenes o Ciudades o chicas guapas :)

Si, abriré el tema :)

Is Greece planning to dobule track and electrify the line that goes to Turkey?

Trains between Salonica and Istanbul are eletric trains and they are cool. TCDD and OSE operate together (when one is coming, other is going)

The part between Sirkeci and the Greek border is electric. But the part between Greek border and

without this bridge it is impossible to pass to Peleponisos Station (also OSE's international Bus lines-International Buses are not from KTEL and OSE is a railway company wich also operates buses).
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Athens Larisa Main Train Station in the future.
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9738/35830688dr9.png

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9729/39769336pl1.png

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/2964/81504021te9.png


Athens Larisa Main Train Station present situation (photos are taken by me)
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2139/larisaru7.jpg

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5319/larisa2fb0.jpg

everest cafe makes the best toast I've ever eaten
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/3096/larisa1zz0.jpg

A rail company that also operated buses? Weird.

The bridge over the platforms exists.You can see it in following photos.Is behind the train!

http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/index.php?iID=535

Nice pictures. Good work! :)

Trains between Salonica and Istanbul are eletric trains and they are cool. TCDD and OSE operate together (when one is coming, other is going)

huh... yeah. The turkish trains of the line are really cool but the Greek sucks! :) the cabins also are smaller in the greek... i used em both twice :)

when did you come here ovem?

New photos.
Korintos station (metric line).Now is closed.The trains used only for cargo.

http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/index.php?iID=580

http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/index.php?iID=583

Alco locomotive.Metric gauge.
http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/index.php?iID=582

I think it is old Korinthos station. I have been to the new one. Why did they build it so out of the city?

Why did they build it so out of the city?

The line is part of line Patra-Athens-Thesaloniki-Eidomeni and is desighned for speeds over 200kmph.You know is very dangerous to pass a train through the city.In additional,is narrow gauge and not metric.I hope to answer in your question.

when did you come here ovem?
summer 2005
& summer 2006

A train type "MAN 1" in Edesa Station (Macedonia) before departures to Thesaloniki.

http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/pictures/man1edessa.jpg

does it still operate?

Do mainline passenger and freight trains run on Proastikos line or only Desiros run there?

In proastiakos run MAN 2000 and Railbus and Desiro EMU in part Neratziotisa to Airport,an Thesaloniki to Larisa.

does it still operate?

Yes.Is good train.

do you take also interior pix?

No i don't

Some interior pictures from flickr:


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/150/428141444_dc93151c27_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikem4600/428141444/)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/43/125043788_5760c7bdbd_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/d503we/125043788/)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/135/329004252_bd7e105a5d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/antonas/329004252/)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1332/1326771836_decce2b0e7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/please/1326771836/)

This train,its not MAN 1!
Από ΜΑΝ 1 σαν αυτό που έβαλα ζήτησε εσωτερικό :)

is it ICE?

Maybe yes maybe no!These veichles use and at simple trains as "500","503" from Athens to Thesaloniki.ICE is not train,is a service.Same trains but with 4 stations from Athens to Thesaloniki (Departure and arive stations included.They stop at Lianokladi,and Larisa before Thesaloniki)

thank you for your answer. I apreciate your effort for everything so much :okay:

imaginas, I guess you know. What is the last situation of the line after corinthos? It was under costruction before. Is it complated towards Patras?

The line is completed only to Kiato.After is under construction.

This train,its not MAN 1!
Από ΜΑΝ 1 σαν αυτό που έβαλα ζήτησε εσωτερικό :)

I know and so i also put the wagons type at the 1st photo,so that i wont confuse anyone...:) I cant find any pictures of that MAn,which rather not interesting to show, if you ask me of course.


Random pictures from flickr:

A Greek Ad-tranz with wagons of the Turkish railways:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1426/971916492_32070a3045_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/10048955@N06/971916492/)

AD-tranz again,with regular wagons:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2256/2171883549_4a82b15bd6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgiannios/2171883549/)

AD-tranz on ICE route:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2377/2155824558_5db2cece06_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgiannios/2155824558/)

AEG DMU intercity train:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2284/2194847970_f38f98062e_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgiannios/2194847970/)

Desiro (DMU):

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2277/2158439873_21a45a130f_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgiannios/2158439873/)

Desiro (EMU):

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2128/2419704528_8a94f9571d_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/panosn/2419704528/)

EuroSprinter on international route from Belgrade:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3170/2596438462_2d9a319f8e_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/panosn/2596438462/)



http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2117/2418911927_d03bf4f3d0_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/panosn/2418911927/)

And some freight trains:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3194/2412981712_4586b08988_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kantirisn/2412981712/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3078/2285854155_d019dde844_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kantirisn/2285854155/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2098/2230290229_1fbf8d27f7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgiannios/2230290229/)

wonderful post :applause:

first picture is interesting to me also, why does OSE use TCDD wagons? Did they buy?

Pilotos,i think is necessary to write the name of each photo.For example the photo number 8 is created by Panos Nakoudis.

wonderful post :applause:

first picture is interesting to me also, why does OSE use TCDD wagons? Did they buy?

I think that is the Philia Express that runs from İstanbul to Thessaloniki

but they use both TCDD and OSE trains (locomative and wagon), not mix like this!

but they use both TCDD and OSE trains (locomative and wagon), not mix like this!

Have you ever seen a Greek loc in Istanbul? They change at the border! they keep the wagons and change the locs!
greets

Very nice pics of your beautifull trains and countryside.
I notice in some of the pics that there is a third rail in the track.
Do you have different guage tracks in your country?

Yes.In Peloponisos have metric line.Kiato-Patra-Pirgos-Kalamata and Corinthos-Argos-Tripoli Kalamata are metric lines

Why they are using diesels on electrified lines?

I know and so i also put the wagons type at the 1st photo,so that i wont confuse anyone...:) I cant find any pictures of that MAn,which rather not interesting to show, if you ask me of course.


Random pictures from flickr:

A Greek Ad-tranz with wagons of the Turkish railways:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1426/971916492_32070a3045_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/10048955@N06/971916492/)

AD-tranz again,with regular wagons:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2256/2171883549_4a82b15bd6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgiannios/2171883549/)

AD-tranz on ICE route:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2377/2155824558_5db2cece06_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgiannios/2155824558/)

AEG DMU intercity train:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2284/2194847970_f38f98062e_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgiannios/2194847970/)

Desiro (DMU):

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2277/2158439873_21a45a130f_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgiannios/2158439873/)

Desiro (EMU):

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2128/2419704528_8a94f9571d_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/panosn/2419704528/)

EuroSprinter on international route from Belgrade:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3170/2596438462_2d9a319f8e_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/panosn/2596438462/)



http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2117/2418911927_d03bf4f3d0_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/panosn/2418911927/)

And some freight trains:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3194/2412981712_4586b08988_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kantirisn/2412981712/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3078/2285854155_d019dde844_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kantirisn/2285854155/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2098/2230290229_1fbf8d27f7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgiannios/2230290229/)

I liked that big bridge, where is it located? Is it on Athens-Thessaloniki main line?

It's not all the network under voltage.For example:the part Athens-Dekelia doesn't have electrification.The part between Rentis and Athens doesn't have electrification.At Rentis is the tecnical base.

You mean the second photo?Is Gorgopotamos bridge.Near Lamia.There Greek and English comandos and rebels during world war two,explode the bridge to avoid the German army uses the bridge.I hope to answer in your answers!

Pilotos,i think is necessary to write the name of each photo.For example the photo number 8 is created by Panos Nakoudis.

Its ok my friend you can click on any picture and go to its original creator page on flickr:)

how much does the ticket from thessaloniki to larisa cost? the suburban one... thankz

how much does the ticket from thessaloniki to larisa cost? the suburban one... thankz

With Suburban (Desiro EMU) the ticket costs 10 euros and 16 euros round trip.

thank you :)

Reduced one, for students or Under 26 etc is 7.5 though :)

A locomotive Alco for metric line,at Korinthos station.This station is closed...

http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/index.php?iID=585

An Adtranz beside of water power.

http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/index.php?iID=605

Is there a plan to privatize OSE?

Plan?what plan?The only plan is the disdain of national railway.The goverment doesn't want railway in Greece.Wants only buses...

The constructions in central station of Athens.
The photos are makeshifts

http://www.imageshack.gr/files/c5nxmdngrbt296auxgaa.jpg (http://www.imageshack.gr/view.php?file=c5nxmdngrbt296auxgaa.jpg)

http://www.imageshack.gr/files/iysrh70lzxhrtoawaduy.jpg (http://www.imageshack.gr/view.php?file=iysrh70lzxhrtoawaduy.jpg)

http://www.imageshack.gr/files/tzlpzc6gcrdbzvwdmegs.jpg (http://www.imageshack.gr/view.php?file=tzlpzc6gcrdbzvwdmegs.jpg)

^^ woow , very nice... euxaristo para poli gia photos... there is a nice development.

you took also the picture of Peleponisos Station. It reminds me of alittle bit Istanbul Sirkeci station although, this one is smaller and used for another job right now. I felt touched.

Soon more from another point of new lines.

Evharisto poly imaginas! WOW, they work :D
your pics are great, more more pls ;)
There is a nice reportage about the today's mood of OSE in the Greek TV SKAI (saldy only in Greek): http://www.skai.gr/master_avod.php?id=96791&lsc=1

I will try to take new photos tomorrow from tris gefyres point.

what will be the down part? Autopark or under ground passage?
http://www.imageshack.gr/files/tzlpzc6gcrdbzvwdmegs.jpg

Evharisto poly imaginas! WOW, they work :D
your pics are great, more more pls ;)
There is a nice reportage about the today's mood of OSE in the Greek TV SKAI (saldy only in Greek): http://www.skai.gr/master_avod.php?id=96791&lsc=1


could you please give an English summery?

Kuvvaci will be an underground station for suburban.Will be moved underground from Central Station of Athens,to treis gefures near in stations and after will continues on the ground to Agioi Anargyroi,and after will moved undergroud again to SKA.

oh very nice :okay:

there are too much investment on the railways in Greece ecently. Or am I wrong?

I watched the video and I don't understand but sensed as if new investments are coming. Am I wrong?

oh very nice :okay:
I watched the video and I don't understand but sensed as if new investments are coming. Am I wrong?

The only investment wich is progress is the shrinking of Greek railways...The minister wants close the OSE...

If they close OSE who will run the railways?

Nobody.We will have only the buses...I believe will change the goverment soon,and we will avoid this catastrophe

The only investment wich is progress is the shrinking of Greek railways...The minister wants close the OSE...

are you sure? it could like suicide! Why do you think like that! If they want to close the OSE, why do they build this station and buy new trains and build Athens-Patra railroad? It could be very sad! Why?

Imaginas i understand you probably have some issues with the government and ose, but none is going to close ose or so, the obvious problem is the huge debt ose has, and they have to shrink the debt somehow, i am sure the railways in Greece will get better when ose functions as indented.

Now many people say that the final purpose of the current government could be to privatize part of ose, not the infrastructure but probably the cars handling etc, but in any case there is no such plans announced.

are you sure? it could like suicide! Why do you think like that! If they want to close the OSE, why do they build this station and buy new trains and build Athens-Patra railroad? It could be very sad! Why?

For the constructions about 50% of the budget is financing of European Union,and must to complete...

Imaginas i understand you probably have some issues with the government and ose, but none is going to close ose or so, the obvious problem is the huge debt ose has, and they have to shrink the debt somehow, i am sure the railways in Greece will get better when ose functions as indented.

Now many people say that the final purpose of the current government could be to privatize part of ose, not the infrastructure but probably the cars handling etc, but in any case there is no such plans announced.

Pilotos,μπορείς να διαβάσεις Ελληνικά,και σε παραπέμπω στο φόρου www.amnizia.com .Κάνε μια εγγραφή (δωρεάν είναι) και διάβασε τα θέματα του.Ασχολείται με τον σιδηρόδρομο αποκλειστικά,και θα μάθεις πολλά.

Imaginas, great pictures of the new Athens railway station. I'm glad to see that construction has finally started.

As for the closing down of OSE, this is highly unlikely. OSE has enormous debt, something has to be done about that.

Nobody.We will have only the buses...I believe will change the goverment soon,and we will avoid this catastrophe

Νομίζεις ότι μια νέα κυβέρνηση δεν θα λάβει μετρα για να περιοριστούν τα ελλείμματα του ΟΣΕ; Αλλα έχεις δίκιο, με μια νέα κυβέρνηση του ΠΑΣΟΚ δεν θα αλλάξει τίποτα και μάλλον θα διπλασιαστούν τα ελλείμματα όπως και έγινε τα 20 χρονια που κυβερνούσαν αυτόν τον τόπο.

KERATADES!!! what i saw on tis video makes me mad! I am not responsible for this situation... but unfortunately those who votes for the 2 parties => (literally double meaning) are absolutely responsible for this... the government wouldn't do anything of this shit if it was not elected... but that's the poor mind of petit bourgeois! they dont have their own hands... they need a boss... i dont. so i dont vote for those guyz => i am not responsible...
this asshole minister said that the ellipse of labor, drives the organisation to pay for overtimes!!! WHY DONT YOU INCEPT WORKERS??? ARE WE THAT STUPID??? FUCK!?!?!
THIS FUCKING COUNTRY STILL EXISTS BY MISTAKE!!! OHHHHHH I'm really ashamed for being greek... sorry guys. please let me go! i dont belong here...

Νομίζεις ότι μια νέα κυβέρνηση δεν θα λάβει μετρα για να περιοριστούν τα ελλείμματα του ΟΣΕ; Αλλα έχεις δίκιο, με μια νέα κυβέρνηση του ΠΑΣΟΚ δεν θα αλλάξει τίποτα και μάλλον θα διπλασιαστούν τα ελλείμματα όπως και έγινε τα 20 χρονια που κυβερνούσαν αυτόν τον τόπο.

Εσύ απαντάς με κομματικούς όρους,και δε θα μπω στη διαδικασία αντιπαράθεσης κομματικών "επιχειρημάτων",αλλά θα μιλήσω με οικονομικούς όρους που είναι και η δουλειά μου.

Ο ΟΣΕ,λέει το ΥΜΕ,έχει περίπου 500 δις ευρώ έλλειμμα.Ωραία,έχει τόσο έλλειμμα.Πρέπει να μας πει όμως από που προέρχεται το έλλειμμα.Μια μελέτη στις οικονομικές καταστάσεις που έχει δημοσιοποιήσει,εμφανίζει την πηγή του παθητικού.Τον τραπεζικό δανεισμό.Γιατί όμως προβαίνει σε τραπεζικό δανεισμό ο ΟΣΕ;Μα για να χρηματοδοτήσει τα έργα που κάνει,και φαίνονται στο ενεργητικό του.Το 70% του παθητικού του είναι για τα έργα.Διότι τα έργα σιδηροδρόμου,τα χρηματοδοτεί ο ΟΣΕ,και παίρνει και μια χρηματοδότηση για κάποια από την Ε.Ε.Όχι όμως όλα,διότι δεν είναι όλα έργα μεγάλα,αλλά είναι και η συντήρηση του δικτύου του και η συντήρηση των οχημάτων του.Το 30% που απομένει από τα 500 περίπου δις ευρώ,μπορεί να αναλυθεί περαιτέρω.Ο ΟΣΕ,σε αντίθεση με την Ο.Α,δεν επιδοτείται για κάποια δρομολόγια σε περιφεριακές γραμμές που δεν είναι κερδοφόρα,αλλά βοηθάει τις τοπικές κοινωνίες.Άρα,τις ζημίες τις καρπώνεται αυτός.Κατά συνέπεια,το χρέος που μας λέει ο ΥΜΕ,δεν είναι όσο λέει,αλλά μικρότερο.Και πώς μειώνεις το χρέος;Κόβοντας δημοφιλή δρομολόγια;Όχι βέβαια,περιορίζοντας το κόστος παροχής υπηρεσιών.Μα,θα πει κάποιος,έχουν πολύ προσωπικό που δε χρειάζεται.Θα απαντήσω εγώ,είσαι σίγουρος;Αν έχουν πολύ προσωπικό,γιατί όταν πάω να αγοράσω εισιτήριο στον Σταθμό Λαρίσης στην Αθήνα,έχει έναν ταμεία και αναμονή 60 άτομα;Γιατί πληρώνει εταιρείες σεκιούριτη (τουλάχιστον δύο διαφορετικές) και δεν κάνει κάποιους υπαλλήλους που περισσεύουν,ασφάλεια;Γιατί ενώ η γραμμή Κόρινθος-Άργος-Τρίπολη,είναι έτοιμη δεν τη δίνει στην κυκλοφορία για να αποσβέσει την επένδυση για την ανακαίνιση της;Γιατί στο σχέδιο της εξυγίανσης που λέει ο ΥΜΕ,έχει πρόσληψη μηχανοδηγών;Μα διότι για να βγει η δουλειά,οι μηχανοδηγοί κάνουν υπερωρίες,και κοστίζουν περισσότερα...Αντί να λύσει αυτά τα προβλήματα,κόβει δημοφιλή δρομολόγια,όπως το 602/603 το οποίο κόπηκε επειδή δε φτάνουν οι μηχανές Ad tranz,διότι,οι τροχοί που έπρεπε να αντικατασταθούν,δεν υπάρχουν.Δεν έκαναν παραγγελία...Οι πληροφορίες λένε για κόψιμο αμαξοστιχιών,που έχουν πληρότητα 120% όπως οι 883 αν δεν κάνω λάθος το νούμερο,που πάνε Αθήνα-Τρίκαλα.Ή τα δρομολόγια 500-501-502-503 που είναι πάντα και με όρθιους.Και θα αφήσει μόνο κάποια IC,ICE.Εδώ,ακόμα και την 604 τη νυχτερινή για Θεσσαλονίκη,σκέφτονται να κλείσουν.Κάνε μια εγγραφή στο amnizia.com και θα πάρεις απαντήσεις σε όλες σου τις απορίες.Εγώ,πρώτα είμαι φίλος του σιδηροδρόμου και μετά ψηφοφόρος κάποιου κόμματος.Όνειρο μου είναι να ξαναπάω με τραίνο στην Καλαμάτα,αλλά δεν το βλέπω.Βλέπεις,τα συμφέροντα των ΚΤΕΛ είναι τεράστια.

KERATADES!!! what i saw on tis video makes me mad! I am not responsible for this situation... but unfortunately those who votes for the 2 parties => (literally double meaning) are absolutely responsible for this... the government wouldn't do anything of this shit if it was not elected... but that's the poor mind of petit bourgeois! they dont have their own hands... they need a boss... i dont. so i dont vote for those guyz => i am not responsible...
this asshole minister said that the ellipse of labor, drives the organisation to pay for overtimes!!! WHY DONT YOU INCEPT WORKERS??? ARE WE THAT STUPID??? FUCK!?!?!
THIS FUCKING COUNTRY STILL EXISTS BY MISTAKE!!! OHHHHHH I'm really ashamed for being greek... sorry guys. please let me go! i dont belong here...

May I ask what video tells?

I wonder also how OSE created this dept. What did they do and had the dept?

KERATADES!!! what i saw on tis video makes me mad! I am not responsible for this situation... but unfortunately those who votes for the 2 parties => (literally double meaning) are absolutely responsible for this... the government wouldn't do anything of this shit if it was not elected... but that's the poor mind of petit bourgeois! they dont have their own hands... they need a boss... i dont. so i dont vote for those guyz => i am not responsible...
this asshole minister said that the ellipse of labor, drives the organisation to pay for overtimes!!! WHY DONT YOU INCEPT WORKERS??? ARE WE THAT STUPID??? FUCK!?!?!
THIS FUCKING COUNTRY STILL EXISTS BY MISTAKE!!! OHHHHHH I'm really ashamed for being greek... sorry guys. please let me go! i dont belong here...

Calm down, you country is not the only one who has this kind of problem.

Εσύ απαντάς με κομματικούς όρους,και δε θα μπω στη διαδικασία αντιπαράθεσης κομματικών "επιχειρημάτων",αλλά θα μιλήσω με οικονομικούς όρους που είναι και η δουλειά μου.

Ο ΟΣΕ,λέει το ΥΜΕ,έχει περίπου 500 δις ευρώ έλλειμμα.Ωραία,έχει τόσο έλλειμμα.Πρέπει να μας πει όμως από που προέρχεται το έλλειμμα.Μια μελέτη στις οικονομικές καταστάσεις που έχει δημοσιοποιήσει,εμφανίζει την πηγή του παθητικού.Τον τραπεζικό δανεισμό.Γιατί όμως προβαίνει σε τραπεζικό δανεισμό ο ΟΣΕ;Μα για να χρηματοδοτήσει τα έργα που κάνει,και φαίνονται στο ενεργητικό του.Το 70% του παθητικού του είναι για τα έργα.Διότι τα έργα σιδηροδρόμου,τα χρηματοδοτεί ο ΟΣΕ,και παίρνει και μια χρηματοδότηση για κάποια από την Ε.Ε.Όχι όμως όλα,διότι δεν είναι όλα έργα μεγάλα,αλλά είναι και η συντήρηση του δικτύου του και η συντήρηση των οχημάτων του.Το 30% που απομένει από τα 500 περίπου δις ευρώ,μπορεί να αναλυθεί περαιτέρω.Ο ΟΣΕ,σε αντίθεση με την Ο.Α,δεν επιδοτείται για κάποια δρομολόγια σε περιφεριακές γραμμές που δεν είναι κερδοφόρα,αλλά βοηθάει τις τοπικές κοινωνίες.Άρα,τις ζημίες τις καρπώνεται αυτός.Κατά συνέπεια,το χρέος που μας λέει ο ΥΜΕ,δεν είναι όσο λέει,αλλά μικρότερο.Και πώς μειώνεις το χρέος;Κόβοντας δημοφιλή δρομολόγια;Όχι βέβαια,περιορίζοντας το κόστος παροχής υπηρεσιών.Μα,θα πει κάποιος,έχουν πολύ προσωπικό που δε χρειάζεται.Θα απαντήσω εγώ,είσαι σίγουρος;Αν έχουν πολύ προσωπικό,γιατί όταν πάω να αγοράσω εισιτήριο στον Σταθμό Λαρίσης στην Αθήνα,έχει έναν ταμεία και αναμονή 60 άτομα;Γιατί πληρώνει εταιρείες σεκιούριτη (τουλάχιστον δύο διαφορετικές) και δεν κάνει κάποιους υπαλλήλους που περισσεύουν,ασφάλεια;Γιατί ενώ η γραμμή Κόρινθος-Άργος-Τρίπολη,είναι έτοιμη δεν τη δίνει στην κυκλοφορία για να αποσβέσει την επένδυση για την ανακαίνιση της;Γιατί στο σχέδιο της εξυγίανσης που λέει ο ΥΜΕ,έχει πρόσληψη μηχανοδηγών;Μα διότι για να βγει η δουλειά,οι μηχανοδηγοί κάνουν υπερωρίες,και κοστίζουν περισσότερα...Αντί να λύσει αυτά τα προβλήματα,κόβει δημοφιλή δρομολόγια,όπως το 602/603 το οποίο κόπηκε επειδή δε φτάνουν οι μηχανές Ad tranz,διότι,οι τροχοί που έπρεπε να αντικατασταθούν,δεν υπάρχουν.Δεν έκαναν παραγγελία...Οι πληροφορίες λένε για κόψιμο αμαξοστιχιών,που έχουν πληρότητα 120% όπως οι 883 αν δεν κάνω λάθος το νούμερο,που πάνε Αθήνα-Τρίκαλα.Ή τα δρομολόγια 500-501-502-503 που είναι πάντα και με όρθιους.Και θα αφήσει μόνο κάποια IC,ICE.Εδώ,ακόμα και την 604 τη νυχτερινή για Θεσσαλονίκη,σκέφτονται να κλείσουν.Κάνε μια εγγραφή στο amnizia.com και θα πάρεις απαντήσεις σε όλες σου τις απορίες.Εγώ,πρώτα είμαι φίλος του σιδηροδρόμου και μετά ψηφοφόρος κάποιου κόμματος.Όνειρο μου είναι να ξαναπάω με τραίνο στην Καλαμάτα,αλλά δεν το βλέπω.Βλέπεις,τα συμφέροντα των ΚΤΕΛ είναι τεράστια.


Imaginas, thank you for replying to my post. It is always nice do discuss with someone that has indepth knowledge about a particular subject. However, since this is an English thread I would like to propose continuing our discussion in the Hellenic Agora transportation thread.

New photos from constuctions in Athens and the suburbans.
From a bridge in Agious Anargyrous 5km far away from Athens central station.The corridors of suburban railway and a new station.

http://www.imaginas.gr/er1.jpg

http://www.imaginas.gr/er2.jpg

http://www.imaginas.gr/er3.jpg

http://www.imaginas.gr/er4.jpg

Calm down, you country is not the only one who has this kind of problem.
ohhh unfortunately i think it is...

imaginas great photos.. :D the new suburban route will look quite modern i think...
i hope we will see some plans for underground parts from the south part to piraeus too.

I have some questions about the new Proastiakos line Pireas-SKA:
-Will it be fully underground, or only the sections from Larissis to SKA?
-Why they build in Larissis station a ground- and an ounderground station, waste of money?!
-Will they close the overground section Larissis-SKA?
-Any finishing announcment (we'd have to add at least +3 years :D)
-I hope with electric trains?

Thanks

I have some questions about the new Proastiakos line Pireas-SKA:
-Will it be fully underground, or only the sections from Larissis to SKA?
-Why they build in Larissis station a ground- and an ounderground station, waste of money?!
-Will they close the overground section Larissis-SKA?
-Any finishing announcment (we'd have to add at least +3 years :D)
-I hope with electric trains?

Thanks

-It will be underground from Athens to ska.
-Underground will be only the prastiakos station.The curent station will continues the services.
-Yes.
-I don't know.
-Yes electric trains.

Thanks! But that's strange why don't they build proastiakos and IC's at the same level? there is enough space! Do you know when about they started with the tunnels?
Sry i'm not up to date!

Thanks! But that's strange why don't they build proastiakos and IC's at the same level? there is enough space! Do you know when about they started with the tunnels?
Sry i'm not up to date!

The problem is the residents not the space.They want not proastiakos lines over the ground...Say,"noise" "danger"...The cars and motorbikes have not noise :rant:

It's not exactly underground as metro.Will be semi underground,if you know what i mean.As Hlektrikos Peireus-Kifisia...

do you consider Hlektrikos Peireus-Kifisia as metro or suburban train?

Hlektrikos is a metro line but needs modernization.

how old is it? How old are the trains and line? I think line is modernizied for Olympics with stations ect!

Is since 1869!Yes before olympic games the stations modernized,but needs more.The maximum speed is very low-i don't know the number-and the trains are too old.


You can see the history of isap in the official site www.isap.gr

I didn't mean the first openning actually. I meant trains and other mechanics, rails ect! Airport trains of ROTEM are wonderful, large, modern and fast. This one is narrow, slow and airless, but from outside looks modern.

Check here: http://www.isap.gr/eng/page.asp?id=43

This thread unfortunately turned ugly (lots of hate and misinformation).

I didn't mean the first openning actually. I meant trains and other mechanics, rails ect! Airport trains of ROTEM are wonderful, large, modern and fast. This one is narrow, slow and airless, but from outside looks modern.

-They made all stations new in 2004 (they look brilliant!)
-Most of the trains built in 2003 (by Bombardier), the others by MAN (1980), so accepable ones!
-Trains are slowly and fast...it does matter where (so acctually it's ok the speed!) e.g. Omonia-Monastiraki is quite slow (maybe of the old tunnel?), but Kalithea- Moschato is a fast one!

I like the "ilektrikos" very much, it's enough fast to call it Metro and it's a wonderful connection from the north to the very south of Athens/Pireas!

^^ yes.. i dont think that ilektrikos need such a mdernisation.. sure, the tunnels and the railroad needs some but the trains and the stations are wonderful. btw its metro unexceptionably. the service frequency is better than the attiko metro i think.

Corinth railway station (October 2008)


a lonely railbus DMU

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2073/railbuscorinthtrainstatck4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/railbuscorinthtrainstatck4.jpg/1/w1024.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img241/railbuscorinthtrainstatck4.jpg/1/)

railbus and MAN DMUs together...

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3177/corinthrailwaystation2ji5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/corinthrailwaystation2ji5.jpg/1/w1024.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img205/corinthrailwaystation2ji5.jpg/1/)

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6001/coritnhrailwaystation3rs4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/coritnhrailwaystation3rs4.jpg/1/w1024.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img525/coritnhrailwaystation3rs4.jpg/1/)

nice pictures...

Skaros, what is going on the Corinthos-Patras line construction?

Why there is no electrification?

Why there is no electrification?

Because they had a delay by building the line, and because around athens quite nothing (only nerantiotissa-airport) had electrification, they decided to open the line without, but now there are building it, to be finished in about 1/2 year or more :lol:

^^ The line "Eidomeni - Thessaloniki - Larissa" has electrification too.

Because they had a delay by building the line, and because around athens quite nothing (only nerantiotissa-airport) had electrification, they decided to open the line without, but now there are building it, to be finished in about 1/2 year or more :lol:

That seems to be a very "Greek" approach to things? In some other EU countries the rule of motion is "nothing is finished before everything is finished", but I seem to remember that at the time of the Athens Olympics several tramlines opened with a few stations missing. One of two planned railway connections to the new airport was finished in time - and that too initially without electrifications. Well... you couldn't get away with that in Switzerland. :lol:

Some U/C Railway projects:

Construction of infrastructure of sections of Kiato - Rododafni New Double Railway Line (icluding Derveni Railway Tunnels)

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e134/E134200802d.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e134/E1342008-02c.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e134/E1342008-02b.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e134/E1342008-02a.jpg

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Construction of sections of Kiato - Rododafni New double Railway line and Melissiou Railway Tunnel

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/new_erga/E1302007-10a.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/new_erga/E1302007-10b.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/new_erga/E1302007-10c.jpg

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Department infrastructure construction of new double high speed railway line of Lianokladi - Domokos

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e133/e133_B.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e133/e133_A.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e133/E1332008-03d.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e133/E1332008-03c.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e133/E1332008-03b.jpg

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Construction of new mapping in section Polykastro - Eidomeni (Phase A')

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e131/E1312008-03E.JPG

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e131/E1312008-03a.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e131/E1312008-03b.JPG

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e131/E1312008-03c.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e131/e_131_.jpg

www.michaniki.gr

wow! great pics KONSTANTINOUPOLIS! where did you find them?
here some of mine
construction in Larissa station:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z188/ovem/HPIM4607.jpg
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z188/ovem/HPIM4610.jpg
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z188/ovem/HPIM4613.jpg

the train i was traveling with:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z188/ovem/HPIM4608.jpg
interior
2nd class
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z188/ovem/HPIM4600.jpg
1st class
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z188/ovem/HPIM4601.jpg

is the difference of the first class and second class the larger seats?

the photos from larissa station are very interesting..we have some progress...

Some U/C Railway projects:

Construction of infrastructure of sections of Kiato - Rododafni New Double Railway Line (icluding Derveni Railway Tunnels)

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e134/E134200802d.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e134/E1342008-02c.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e134/E1342008-02b.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e134/E1342008-02a.jpg

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Construction of sections of Kiato - Rododafni New double Railway line and Melissiou Railway Tunnel

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/new_erga/E1302007-10a.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/new_erga/E1302007-10b.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/new_erga/E1302007-10c.jpg

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Department infrastructure construction of new double high speed railway line of Lianokladi - Domokos

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e133/e133_B.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e133/e133_A.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e133/E1332008-03d.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e133/E1332008-03c.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e133/E1332008-03b.jpg

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Construction of new mapping in section Polykastro - Eidomeni (Phase A')

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e131/E1312008-03E.JPG

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e131/E1312008-03a.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e131/E1312008-03b.JPG

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e131/E1312008-03c.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/images/Projects/SeExelixi/e131/e_131_.jpg

www.michaniki.gr

I see an electrified single track in the picture second from the bottom. Is it Athens-Thessaloniki main line?

Please don't quote the whole pictures again, no need for that:)

Please don't quote the whole pictures again, no need for that:)


:yes: I always say the same but he always does the same instead of showing only one picture he wants to ask about. He doesn't care what we say :ohno:



pilotos, is the difference of 1st class and 2nd class the size of the steats?

yes^^ the size of the seats is the difference and also there are 3 seat along in the 1st class instead of 4 in 2nd class

http://epivatis.gr


E.P.I.V.A.TI.S. ΝETWORK
PUBLIC TRANSPORT USERS AND PEDESTRIANS ASSOCIATION
GREECE

Re: HELLENIC RAILWAYS IN BIG CRISIS – THE GREEK GOVERNMENT’S RAIL RESTRUCTURING PLAN

Dear Colleagues,

As the unique Public Transport Users Association in Greece, we want to inform you briefly about current evolutions in the Hellenic State Railways (OSE) and the main points of the Transport Ministry’s Rail Restructuring Plan, from the rail transport user point of view.


OSE is a holding company, containing 4 daughter companies – one for the Infrastructure Management named EDISY, one for the Modernisation Works (financed from the EU Funding Programs) named ERGA-OSE, one for the Real Estate Development of their real estate named GAIA-OSE and one last for the Operation / Passenger and Freight Exploitation of the Network, named TRAIN-OSE.

The lack of state subsidy for 35 years and the combined cost of infrastructure maintenance and unprofitable passenger operation have created a deficit of about €daily. For this reason, the Greek Government decided to implement a Restructuring Plan for the Hellenic Railways. This Restructuring Plan has the following parameters (concerning passenger services) among others:



1. Complete separation of the Operational Company of OSE (the TRAIN-OSE) from the rest OSE Holding Company and merger of ERGA-OSE, EDISY and GAIA-OSE into one organization, responsible for infrastructure management, modernisation and real estate.
Rationalisation of the internal function of TRAIN-OSE, introducing one-man operation in suburban services, implementing modern management practices and offering benefits for early retirement to a big part of the existing staff in spite of significant shortage of personnel in prime line positions.

2. Creation of an independent authority for Accidents and Safety Affairs, in parallel to the Greek Rail Regulator, in order to fulfil the prerequisites of application of EU Rail Guidelines to the Greek system, pending the introduction of competition into the Greek railways planned for 2010. Completion of the current modernization works on the core network Patras-Athens-Salonica-Grecomacedonian border (conversion of the existing MG or SG line into a 200 km/h high speed line) and of the development of the Suburban Railway of Athens and total abandonment of the rolling improvement works in the regional rail network. That means that in the long term only 700 km of the existing 2500 km network will survive.

3. Further restriction of the already limited rail services in regional lines (now the majority of them has 3 – 8 services per direction daily, with the exception of the Salonica Suburban System, the Larissa-Volos line and the Kalamata Suburban System which have an hourly service throughout the day). Characteristically the line which serves the Historical site of Ancient Olympia has only 5 services every morning with no afternoon services!).

4. Restrictions will take place even on the main Athens-Salonica line services. These will be reduced to the half of the existing services, in spite of current trains (11 pairs daily) travelling overloaded and increased demand. Direct services from Athens or Salonica towards the branches of the main Athens-Salonica line (Volos, Kalampaka, Alexandroupolis etc) will be suspended.

5. Although EU-funded works on the MG Korinth-Tripolis-Kalamata line have finished last spring, and the line is now operational, no services have started so far. There is a plan to monitor performance and “profitability” of the line with only 3 daily services for only three months, in order to decide whether to keep it in operation. We consider this an indirect way of closing the line, as neither the frequency nor the time frame are sufficient for any successful usage. Greek Government is unwilling to pay Public Service Obligations for the regional train services, with the exception of a small number of them.



We want your active help, advices and support to cope with this situation (and in a probable future claim of us to the EU General Direction TREN). We firmly believe that the Green, Sustainable Mobility in Greece is not feasible without a efficient Railway system spanning the whole country.

@ Serdar:

The electified single track line seen under the new Axios bridge is the existing main line Thessaloniki - Eidomeni (- Gevgelija). The new section of this line between Polykastro - Eidomeni (from km 52+500 to km 72+850) is designed for double track but initially single track will be laid and electrified and both lines (old and new) will be in operation as a strange "double track". The new Axios bridge is only a few km south of Eidomeni and the Greek - FYROM border. The tracklaying works, signalling, electrification and new Polykastro Stn will be awarded soon.

South of Polykastro towards Thessaloniki for about 30 km (km 23 to km 53) the line has been realigned and upgraded 20 years ago (design speed 200 km/h, earthworks and structures for double track; single track has been laid, signalled and electrified).

-It will be underground from Athens to ska.
-Underground will be only the prastiakos station.The curent station will continues the services.
-Yes.
-I don't know.
-Yes electric trains.

Between Athina and SKA (= Acharnes Junction) underground will be a 1800m long section north of Agii Anargyri new Stn (seen under construction on imaginas photos). The line will be quadruple (two pairs of tracks). The cut+cover tunnel for the western pair is under advanced construction and will be opened to traffic in 2009. Thus electrification will reach a point just 2 km north of Athina Stn. Afterwards the existing surface pair will be removed and a second cut+cover tunnel will be built to accommodate the eastern pair of tracks.

Another 800m long underground section will be built just north of Athina new main stn but is still in design. Until this is built they plan to provisionally electrify 1-2 existing tracks up to Athina and farther south to Ruf Stn so that electric trains can reach Rentis depot and Piraias Stn where electrification works are already advancing.

If you consider that in 2009 the branch line to Halkidsa will also be electrified EMU's will be running from SKA north to Halkida, west to Kiato and east to the airport. (I'm not sure about south of SKA...)

Athina main stn ("Larissa Stn") will remain at the same level (surface). The underground works seen on the photos are for a broad underpass with shops.

http://epivatis.gr

We want your active help, advices and support to cope with this situation (and in a probable future claim of us to the EU General Direction TREN). We firmly believe that the Green, Sustainable Mobility in Greece is not feasible without a efficient Railway system spanning the whole country.

Of course you have our help, but we can't do anything...wait until 2010, maybe someone private (maybe Onassis foundation, Niarchos, Anggelopoulos etc :rofl:) realises that Greece has much much potential in railways, think about petrol-price will reach about 2€/l !!! A good example is NTV in italy.
And please please privatise Proastiakos...or give it as a present to ATTIKO METRO:lol:

Any map of Greek railway projects under construction?

Try www.ergose.gr

ERGOSE is a subsidiary of OSE that manages all EU co-funded rail projects in Greece. You can find maps of the new alignment between Tithorea - Lianokladi (54 km, including the 9km long Kallidromo Tunnel, design speed 250 km/h) and Lianokladi - Domokos (52km, including the 7km long Othrys Tunnel and large viaducts, design speed 130 - 160 km/h) both in Central Greece on the main axis Athina - Thessaloniki.

Quite updated is also the following railway map of Greece where you can identify Tithorea, Lianokladi and Domokos: http://www.bueker.net/trainspotting/map.php?file=maps/greece/greece.gif (The electrification between Leptokarya and Larissa is already in operation)

I think tran operator compnay of OSE and infrasutructure compnay are spearate. Right?

Why does OSE have such dept?

I think tran operator compnay of OSE and infrasutructure compnay are spearate. Right?

Why does OSE have such dept?

According to railfaneurope.net yes:

In 2006 - as one of the last in EU member states - the OSE was split up in a network manager and an operating company. EDISY S.A. ("National Administrator of Railway Infrastructure") will run the Greek railway network, while TRENOSE S.A. will operate all passenger and freight trains, some busses, tourist trains and the telecom network. ERGOSE S.A. will - as now - run the construction projects.

and the actual situation is like it's written in railfaneurope, but i can't answer you your second question, i'm sry!

okay thank you...

no any update?

no any update?

Stay tuned!
We wait snow Sunday-Monday and i will go for snow photos with train!!!

You can to open an acount-free-at www.amnizia.com and you will see many photos from Greek Railways.In addition you can ask questions in English,and you will take answers about the greek railway!

Hlektrikos is a metro line but needs modernization.

This line was opened in 1869 as a suburban railway but now classified as Athens Metro though it is run by ISAP not Attiki Metro

yes but its metro... the frequency is even better than attiko metro lines

you can say, more usefull...

This line was opened in 1869 as a suburban railway but now classified as Athens Metro though it is run by ISAP not Attiki Metro

The 1869 the Athens was a small town.The line was small.Now the line has start Pireus port and finished at Kifisia.After 3-4 years the finish will be at Agios Stefanos.Now,Kifisia is an urban of Athens.In 1869 was a village.I hope to help you.Sorry for my english

Hlektrikos is a metro line but needs modernization
Hlektrikos or line 1 of Athens metro system its restored before the Olympic games of Athens 2004

Hlektrikos or line 1 of Athens metro system its restored before the Olympic games of Athens 2004

Μόνο οι σταθμοί πέρασαν ένα lifting.Οι γραμμές,και η ρευματοδοσία και η σηματοδότηση,δεν άλλαξαν.Αυτό το καθιστά ποιο αργό από το μετρό.

Hlektrikos or line 1 of Athens metro system its restored before the Olympic games of Athens 2004

It seems that Athens has one of the oldest subways in the world.

Hlektrikos was just a suburban rail before. Later upgrated to the metro level. Like how Marmaray will be, or Ankara suburban will be, or Izmir's Airport-Aliağa line will be... Nothing different.

Hlektrikos was just a suburban rail before. Later upgrated to the metro level. Like how Marmaray will be, or Ankara suburban will be, or Izmir's Airport-Aliağa line will be... Nothing different.

Or like the Stadtbahn in Vienna which is now metro line U6

New photos from Greek train.
Here an AEG (IC53 Athens-Thesaloniki).This train is very clean with fresh color without grafity.I hope to see it again,clean but i don't think so...
The train is in Central Station of Athens

http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/index.php?iID=648
http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/index.php?iID=650&page=1
http://www.imaginas.gr/gallery/index.php?iID=649&page=1

imaginas your photos are great :D i guess you are a rail freak. am i wrong?

he must take more photos... I am curious about the progress of Larissa Station construction.

i'm really busy these days. otherwise i could take some pics of larissa station

Construction pictures of the Ag.Anargyroi station and surrounding area on the Athens suburban railway line

Map of current and part of the future stations of the suburban railway line.

http://www.proastiakos.gr/files_files/Image/XrtPir050607.jpg

Pictures originally posted by stadia.gr member mike.

Station (located on the Piraeus - SKA line)

http://www.imageshack.gr/files/p38i5djayye27wb3bfwr.jpg

Tracks

http://www.imageshack.gr/files/g1a8a8bal2y8aqo1y2vf.jpg

Railway tunnel

http://www.imageshack.gr/files/amviloep0orn42v49jln.jpg

From the newspaper Ta Nea I see this Photo from Crete Island where they planed new railways and ferry boat to Napolis !


http://imageshack.dk/imagesfree/9Ai39735.jpg

Good job Greece.:banana:

Are there any plans to build HSR from Athens to Thessaloniki and Istanbul?

From the newspaper Ta Nea I see this Photo from Crete Island where they planed new railways and ferry boat to Napolis !


Could you translate this news?

panorama showing construction progress in Larisis Station i shot today:
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http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z188/ovem/215.jpg

there are some underground platfroms also under these.

wonderful picture... It seems there is a huge progress at the construction although it is slow a little bit!

But where is the railway bridge?

yes the construction is a little bit slower now i think. what is the bridge you are talking about?

there must be railway over bridge right there to across the railway for passing to the side of Peleponissos station wich is sadly not a train station anymore.

thank you so much for this photo... If I want anything could you please do for me?

Good job Greece.:banana:

Are there any plans to build HSR from Athens to Thessaloniki and Istanbul?

Greetings Hoosier!!

The railway lines between the country's 3 largest cities (Athens-Thessaloniki and Athens-Patra) are indeed being upgraded to handle speeds up to 250 km/h. So technically, they will be high speed rail lines. EU standards designate high speed rail as 200 km/h or faster (US classifies as high speed: 145 km/h or faster). These high speed lines will not be able to handle the max speeds that France's LGV lines (for example) can handle, but they will certainly be high speed capable. When the lines are complete, I think the plan is for trains to run at 200 km/h max. Traveling time from Athens to Thessaloniki, which was 6 hours before any of the upgrades began, is already down to 4 hours, I believe, on direct trains, so the duration of this trip may be further reduced iwhen the upgrade is complete and 200 km/h trains are introduced. On many stretches, they're entirely reconstructing and re-routing the rail line, to make it straighter so that it can handle high speeds (and there's pictures of this progress throughout this thread). Greece's geography is very hilly and mountainous, with lots of peninsulas and gulfs, and until the 1990s there were neither the funds nor the technology to build all these bridges and tunnels necessary for straighter rail lines. It's a great project, and a badly needed one.

As for Thessaloniki-Istanbul HSR, there isn't enough demand for this yet. The overland distance from Athens to Istanbul is actually very long; someone wishing to travel from Athens to Istanbul can just fly (there's ample direct flights each day), which is much faster than taking the train - even if it's high speed - from Athens to Thessaloniki to Istanbul. Thessaloniki is closer to Istanbul than Athens is, but the city also has direct flights to Istanbul, and the volume of Thessaloniki-Istanbul traffic isn't high enough to currently justify hundreds of millions of euros being spend on a high-speed line between the two cities. High speed rail succeeds in relatively short distances, like Barcelona-Madrid, Paris-Marseille, Paris-Amsterdam, Tokyo-Osaka, New York-Washington, where taking the train is faster than flying (when we factor in commuting to the airport, airport check-in, security, baggage claim, etc). Other preconditions are: there must be a lot of traffic between the two cities, and/or the rail lines must include other high-traffic stops (usually regional cities) along the way; densely populated regions usually fit this criterion. The reason why HSR will be successful on Athens-Patra and Athens-Thessaloniki routes is because they're relatively short distances (especially Athens-Patra), there's a lot of traffic between the 3 cities (for example there's a lot -and I mean a lot- of flights from Athens to Thessaloniki, so we know there's ample demand), and because the Patra-Athens-Thessaloniki axis (a strip of land shaped like a backwards "L") covers the majority of the country's popoulation. It's a densely populated region, and stops along the way can include cities like Corinth, Lamia, and Larisa on some of the trains. HSR thrives under these conditions.

:)

there must be railway over bridge right there to across the railway for passing to the side of Peleponissos station wich is sadly not a train station anymore.

thank you so much for this photo... If I want anything could you please do for me?

i dont know anything about this bridge.
what do you mean by "If I want anything could you please do for me?" do you want me to take pictures or what?

^^ I'd like you to take the pictures of everest cafe's at the Larissa station and interior of the station. Of course not inside of the cafe but outside with metro station exit! I meant this.

BTW, does Greece build new lines with 250km/h speed?

I agree about the HSR between Thessaloniki and Istanbul. A beautiful dream, but not a very sound one economically speaking. I would rather see major projects in the rest of the country to upgrade old lines to modern standards or build new 'normal' lines.
Is there any possibility of an upgrading of the Peloponnisos line (Corinth - Argos - Kalamata)? I am sure that a renovated line to Nauplio would benefit tourism and local economy.

instead of HSR between Turkey and Greece, it is enough to upgrade the current line wich is slow. Upgrading the current line, and the stations of the both sides will be a good start and increase the passanger number. First of all Friendship Express must drive with 160km/h.

BTW, does Greece build new lines with 250km/h speed?

Yes, the new Athens-Patra and Athens-Thessaloniki lines will be able to handle speeds up to 250 km/h.


Is there any possibility of an upgrading of the Peloponnisos line (Corinth - Argos - Kalamata)?

Yes, this entire section has been closed for a few years now, and is being upgraded.


I am sure that a renovated line to Nauplio would benefit tourism and local economy.

Definitely, such a project is sorely needed, and -since Nauplio is a popular weekend getaway for Athenians- it would also offer Athenians a good alternative to taking the car. The rail towards Nauplio is just a short branch off of the Corinth-Argos-Kalamata rail line, so it would make sense to upgrade it together with the main Corinth-Argos-Kalamta line. I would love to see a nice new train station for Nauplio one day soon.

instead of HSR between Turkey and Greece, it is enough to upgrade the current line wich is slow. Upgrading the current line, and the stations of the both sides will be a good start and increase the passanger number. First of all Friendship Express must drive with 160km/h.

The line from Thessaloniki to Alexandroupoli and the Turkish border is indeed being upgraded. Unfortunately, it's not being made into double track, so this will limit the amount of Thessaloniki-Istanbul trains per day. But the quality of the commute will be better. This line doesn't just serve traffic between Thessaloniki and Istanbul, but it also serves traffic to/from all the Greek cities along the way, like Serres, Xanthi, Alexandroupoli, and so on. Hopefully, a further upgrade of this line will happen in the future as a second phase of OSE's overhaul. There may not currently be enough demand for a high-speed Thessaloniki-Istanbul line, but I think there should definitely be a double track the connects all the cities in northeast Greece to Thessaloniki, as well as Thessaloniki to Istanbul, and allow for more than just one daily train (each way) between Thessaloniki and Istanbul. (The current line also bypasses Kavala, so it would be great to build a branch of the line to serve that city). Currently, it's possible to take a bus from Thessaloniki to Istanbul (you can also fly, of course), but it's a very long drive, which makes for an uncomfortable bus trip. So we know there's demand for more frequent train service between the two cities, to at least 2 per day.

HSR will win the market if it can get below 3 hours and it is competitive at below 4 hours. Is Istanbul - Thekaloni travelable at 350kmh (the standard of the new HSR lines) in 3 hours? that is, is the distance roughly 1050 km or less?

less as I know! And I am sure 350 km/h HST can travel from Salonica to Istanbul in 3 hours. A forumer who knows the distance can calculate.

By 2014, the national railway network will have undergone major infrastructural changes, Hatzidakis announced at a joint press conference with the European Commissioner for Regional Policy Danuta Hubner, on September 9 in Athens. Electrical railway tracks as well as environmentalally-friendly urban transport and the tram line’s extension will be some of the suggested projects to be implemented through the National Strategic Reference Framework (2007-2013), worth €20 billion.

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how is the progress in Thriassio Pedio logistic terminal?

HSR will win the market if it can get below 3 hours and it is competitive at below 4 hours. Is Istanbul - Thekaloni travelable at 350kmh (the standard of the new HSR lines) in 3 hours? that is, is the distance roughly 1050 km or less?

They've recently built a couple new lines in France and Spain that can handle those speeds (and much higher), but the regularly-scheduled trains on those new lines run at a bit less than 350 km/h, peaking at about 300-320 km/h, which is still very fast, of course. Also, such speeds need HSR lines that are very, very straight, and sometimes the terrain doesn't allow that. There's new technology for tunnel and bridge-building of course, but the projected benefits will have to outweigh the costs.

I think you make an interesting point that the durations of HSR commutes need to be under 4 hours in order to make comparisons. I don't think this is universally applicable, but you're probably right in most cases.

less as I know! And I am sure 350 km/h HST can travel from Salonica to Istanbul in 3 hours. A forumer who knows the distance can calculate.

Kuvvaci, you're right, it's a lot less than 1050km. The rail distance between Thessaloniki and Istanbul is only 514 km. So, even at 200 km/h (assuming the train runs at exactly 200 km/h from start to finish), the commute will take little more than 2,5 hours. If we add stops along the way, and give the train enough time to speed up and slow down, this commute can take 3-3,5 hours. If we increase peak speed to 250 km/h, the commute should definitely be under 3 hours, IMO. So I guess that means that HSR between these two cities can one day be an economically viable option, pending demand.

We know for a fact that a Thessaloniki-Istanbul HSR line is on the drawing board as a long term goal. The EU wants to eventually connect all major European cities to each other thorugh a relatively dense HSR network. Thessaloniki-Istanbul is not top priority for the moment, but it's a project that is being considered for when the right time comes. I'd love to see it one day.

By 2014, the national railway network will have undergone major infrastructural changes, Hatzidakis announced at a joint press conference with the European Commissioner for Regional Policy Danuta Hubner, on September 9 in Athens. Electrical railway tracks as well as environmentalally-friendly urban transport and the tram line’s extension will be some of the suggested projects to be implemented through the National Strategic Reference Framework (2007-2013), worth €20 billion.


Excellent news, thanks.

how is the progress in Thriassio Pedio logistic terminal?

I haven't read any news, but it looks like a busy construction site on Google Earth.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3555/3413314482_e1995f286a_o.jpg

The google earth photo is quite old and shows the drainage works. Now almost all phase 1 tracks of the Thriassio complex have been laid (over 42 km of single track) including over 120 turnouts and double slips. A new access road is also under construction (to the north and south of the long overpass seen at the east side of the complex). Large areas are paved for storing of containers and circulation of lorries. Phase 2 works that include signalling, electrifiacation and buildings has not been tendered yet .

good news for the part domokos - lianokladi. it seems like much work is going on there. i saw the progress from the train. most of the tunnels are digged along this part and the bridges' pylons are ready but without the surface deck. the gravelling along the line is also going on well. many trucks along the line working. i couldnt take any pictures because it was dark. next time i'll travel during daytime i'll post some.

Here is a panoramic view of the Thriassio rail complex as seen from the road overpass at the east of the complex looking towards west:

http://www.imageshack.gr/files/1pg8zb98fnrr3jnl01ps.jpg (http://www.imageshack.gr/view.php?file=1pg8zb98fnrr3jnl01ps.jpg)

On the far left a suburban train (railbus DMU) from Kiato and Korinthos can be seen running on the high speed line which is being electrified (the poles are already erected). The Aspropyrgos suburban station can also be seen. In the middle you can see the marshalling yard part and to the right you can see the area for transhipment of goods between rail and road. In the background the red buildings were used as storehouses during the Olympic Games and will be converted to major workshops for OSE rolling stock.

Acharnes Railway Center (SKA)

http://i44.tinypic.com/aaca6g.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/2hcn3oz.jpg

Google earth
Johnny the Mountaineer (www.flickr.com (http://www.flickr.com))

thank you very much for the Thriassion photo.

i thought it would have more buildings but as we can see the area is mostly covered with rail tracks.

The progress of constructions in Athens Central Stations (Larisa station)

http://www.imaginas.gr/Stathmos%20Larisis0002a.jpg

Three trains in Athens Central

From left to right:MAN 2000 (Arive from Kiato),Railbus (Departure to Kiato) and one train with Bombardier locomotive and veichles from Kioleidis S.A.Is an ICE to Thesaloniki

http://www.imaginas.gr/Stathmos%20Larisis0003a.jpg

Thanks imaginas

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Stirfaka railway bridge u/c

a year ago

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2041/2459029531_1b3df01d9a_b.jpg

today

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3490/3465576927_ee46a36c98_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3662/3465566159_8d382e80a8_b.jpg

photos by GEO (www.stadia.gr (http://www.stadia.gr))

is this the lianokladi - domokos section?

The progress of the bridge near the defunct Pelaponisos station is quite far. It will eventually replace the destroyed one over the tracks, Sidirodromon str and provide a future subterranian extension for Konstinopouleos street, as well as the new triple tracks to the Larissa station.

Can someone tell me how I can add photos to this site?

Upload your photo in one of these (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=339254) sites and post it here using this (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/misc.php?do=bbcode#imgcode) code

Example: myphoto

UPDATE April 2009

1) SKA- Kiato electrification

For the first time in greek railways history the peloponnese will have an electrified line... :)

Look at the following map :

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2621/drawing1ui4.jpg

The electrification project of the Line Athens (SKA)-Kiato goes quite well (finally!!)

So from my observations it seems that the works for the installation of the overhead contact system have progressed more in the part Kiato-Corinth-Ag. Theodoroi.
There we can clearly see the catenary poles and in some cases the contact wire.


If everything goes well next year the line from Athens (SKA) to Kiato will be completely electrified. This will have surely an impact on the traveling time, since now the use of diesel trains restrains the max speed.

Some photos :

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5348/catenarypoles1.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=catenarypoles1.jpg)


near Kiato

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7430/kiatoelectrification1.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kiatoelectrification1.jpg)

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1590/kiatoelectrification2.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kiatoelectrification2.jpg)

Aegion railway tunnel (3,252 m) - April 2009

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/7148/aegionrailwaytunnel.jpg (http://img2.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aegionrailwaytunnel.jpg)