Philippine Defense Forces [Archive] - Page 10

higen

February 20th, 2009, 06:42 AM

According to a moderator in a different forum, MX8 AEV (aka "Barako") was recently seen in Jolo, Sulu. Baka field test siguro yun or something.. well me pag-asa pa naman. :D

That's cool! If they are indeed field testing it, that's nice to hear. I hope the army decides to purchase this vehicle and make it standard. We could even try exporting it. Wouldnt it be cool if other countries would use hardware desinged and made in the Philippines and the by Filipinos. I'm all for it.

Regarding the Sabah issue. I dont think we should be worrying about Sabah until we clean up our own separitist issues in our own backyard first. We cant even manage the territory we have, small as it is. Besides, I dont think the Sabahanos would like it if Sabah were ceded to the Philippines. And if it were, I see multiple separitist groups sprouting there too causing more trouble all over the country. I say leave Sabah as it is and settle the Mindanao and NPA issues first.

I also personally do not believe that we could have taken Sabah by force, then and now. If, for the sake of argument we did invade Sabah during Marcos' time with the full might of our army, navy and airforce, what do u think would happen? It would be a disaster for our military and economy and not to mention the political reprecussions. Would the UK allow us to simply walk all over their former colony and ally or would they come to the rescue as they did when Indonesia invaded Sarawak in the so-called konfrontasi? Indonesia got their arse kicked by the UK Navy, hundreds of Indonesian soldiers died. And do you think our strongest ally, the US, would simply allow us to cause more trouble in this region by invading Malaysia? UK, the former colonisers of Malaysia is also the strongest ally of the US which is in turn OUR strongest ally in the west. Who do you think the US would side with? It is also worth to mention that this region (SEA) was very volatile during the 60s because the communists were trying to gain a foot hold and also the US was gearing up to expand their little war in Vietnam. It would have been a political, economic and military disaster for the Philippines with unimaginable consequences if we tried to take Sabah by force. Now, moving into the present. Although I agree that our boys are the most experienced army in this region and probably one of the best jungle fighters in the world. However, I highly doubt if they can slug it out with Malaysia's military. Experience can only do so much. I dont think experience can hold up againts Migs, F-18s, Main Battle Tanks and Multiple Rocket Launchers which are just some of the hardware Malaysia have. Malaysia's military is one of the most modern in this region. Our military currently does not even have the logistics to conduct a large scale amphibious assault and support that invasion for a long period of time. We dont even have a navy. Our WWII vintage LSTs carrying our boys would be blown out of the water before they even knew what hit them. And if by some miracle they were able to land troops, our boys would run out of supplies and run out of bullets and would be throwing sticks and stones before they even get within 100 miles of Kota Kinabalu.

WAR IS NEVER A GOOD THING. People die and people get hurt...War is only necessary if it is forced upon you. War to gain territory is folly. Im not one to easily forget what war can do and what it can bring. I hope those who are thinking and wishing for WAR would think again.

flesh_is_weak

February 20th, 2009, 09:28 PM

kawawa talaga yung state ng military natin in terms of logistics...kahit nga yung Tamils nakaka-afford ng airstrike...

well anyway, back to the golden ages, if the Philippines did embark on a campaign of territorial expansion, where would we direct it kaya?

although looking again at the present, i doubt any of these conquered territories would remain in our hands, sa Mindanao nga nahihirapan na tayo (and heck, even the call for visayan secession pulses through the deepest chambers of my mind :lol:)

Jake_noypi

February 22nd, 2009, 06:49 PM

di ba during the Marcos era, there was a plan to take Sabah by force, how come di natuloy? if we revive the plan--or come up with a similar one--will we stand a chance?
Kaya hinde natuloy to dahil the US stopped us. Kasi, Nasa british rule pa ang malaysia nuon at baka magalit daw ang mga brits sa America...:|

"JABIDAH". (search niyo to para mas malaman niyo ang buong nangyari)

Ang alam ko eto yung mga taong trinain na parang killing machinespara sa pag bawi ng SABAH at puro mga Muslim din sila cgro kaya Muslim ang pinili ni Marcos eh para hindi magkaroon ng conflict sa relihiyon alam nmn natin na yuon ang panahon kung saan matindi ang labanan sa Mindanao ng mga KATOLIKO AT MUSLIM. Tungkol dun sa Jabidah lahat ng mga taong trinain nila ay nagbago ang isip o sa madaling salita umatras at ayaw ng ituloy ang kung ano man ang gustong ipagawa ni Marcos sa kanila at syempre hindi nmn pwede ang ganun na lang marami na rin silang alam kaya pinagpapatay sila kaso may isang nakaligtas at naka punta sa TV station para ikwento ang lahat ng nangyari.

venntro

February 23rd, 2009, 12:45 AM

PNP euro general named Cordillera Administrative Region chief (http://http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=442752&publicationSubCategoryId=63)
By Cecille Suerte Felipe Updated February 23, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Philippine National Police officials have appointed to a top regional post a PNP officer who was linked to the alleged illegal release of 105,000 euros or P6.9 million that was seized by Russian authorities from retired police comptroller Director Eliseo de la Paz in a Moscow airport last October.

Chief Superintendent Orlando Pestaño, director of the PNP Finance Service, was designated yesterday as regional director of the Cordillera Administrative Region (CAR).

Pestaño replaced Chief Superintendent Eugene Martin, who was earlier designated as chief of the PNP Directorate for Intelligence replacing Director Dante Ferrer who retired last week upon reaching the mandatory retirement age of 56. The STAR tried to contact Pestaño but to no avail.

PNP spokesman Chief Superintendent Nicanor Bartolome said the case against De la Paz, Pestaño and the other police officials linked to release of the euros is now at the Office of the Ombudsman and pending the result of the investigation, there is no law that prohibits the PNP from appointing officers to certain positions.

“The case is now with the Office of the Ombudsman and pending their findings, there is no prohibition in appointing police officers (to certain positions),” Bartolome told The STAR.

The PNP Criminal Investigation and Detection Group (CIDG) had forwarded all its records on the investigation on the De la Paz and the so-called “euro generals” to the Ombudsman.

De la Paz and his wife were held at a Moscow airport on Oct. 11, 2008 for carrying the undeclared euros, after they attended the 77th International Police (Interpol) General Assembly in St. Petersburg, Russia.

The other police officials in the PNP delegation to the Interpol meeting were Deputy Directors General Emmanuel Carta, Ismael Rafanan, Directors Romeo Ricardo, Silverio Alarcio, German Doria and Jaime Caringal, and Superintendent Elmer Pelobello, the aide of the delegation.

De la Paz and his wife were questioned at an airport in Moscow for carrying undeclared excess cash and during investigation by the PNP, Senate and the House of Representatives it was learned the money was released illegally from the PNP intelligence fund.

The PNP reported that Pestaño was the police officer who went to see De la Paz to confirm the latter’s request for P10 million for the allowance of the PNP delegation to 77th Interpol General Assembly in St. Petersburg.

Pestaño later gave the clearance to Superintendent Samuel Rodriguez, disbursing officer of the 14th Finance Service Office, to release the money.

Records showed that on Sept. 26, Senior Superintendent Tomas Rentoy III, chief of the Budget Division of Comptroller, was called by Rodriguez and was told that the PNP delegates to the Interpol need P10 million.

Rentoy claimed that the Notice of Fund Availability (NFA) had not yet been issued. Hence, there was an urgency that funds should be made available via cash advance so that the plane tickets could be paid and other requirements of the PNP delegation could be prepared.

Last month, De la Paz’s lawyer Noel Malaya claimed that the Russian government had already cleared his client and his wife of any criminal intent when they failed to declare the euros in their possession.

Malaya also noted that the 105,000 euros has been released by Moscow to the account of De la Paz’s Russian lawyer based in the capital.

bitoy

February 24th, 2009, 05:33 AM

Watch the video footage and see for yourself how bad some of our PNP personnels in dealing with policing operations.

Those guys caught on video doesn't deserve to wear the badge. :ohno:

EDSA-Shootout, Relatives say victims not 'carnappers' (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/video/nation/metro-manila/02/18/09/relatives-say-victims-not-carnappers)

The National Police Commission (Napolcom) on Monday said it has suspended twenty-nine policemen who were involved in last Tuesday’s operation in EDSA in Quezon City that left three suspected car thieves dead.

A Napolcom fact-finding team said their initial findings on their investigation on administrative charges showed that the operatives, members of Highway Patrol Group (HPG) of National Capital Region and anti-carjacking unit of Quezon City Police District (QCPD), failed to follow procedure.

Citing the exclusive video from ABS-CBN News, Napolcom investigators said the policemen used excessive force and failed to secure the crime scene. The panel added that most of the operatives were not wearing the proper uniform and they failed to give a proper warning to the suspects.

Arciga_01

February 24th, 2009, 05:35 AM

Hayy.....Parang Pearl Drive in ortigas all over again. Wala talagang kwenta ang PNP nowadays at hinde na umaasa ang mga tao sa PNP dahil sira na talaga imahe nila..

venntro

February 25th, 2009, 08:28 AM

Kidnappers now target ordinary people in Mindanao, says official (http://http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=443435&publicationSubCategoryId=200)
By Dennis Carcamo Updated February 25, 2009 02:11 PM

MANILA, Philippines -- The targets of kidnap-for-ransom groups in Mindanao have become unpredictable, an official of the Armed Forces of the Philippines bared today.

Lt. Col. Ernesto Torres Jr., AFP spokesman, said groups have shifted from affluent and influential individuals to ordinary people. This, he said, makes it difficult for authorities to prevent kidnapping incidents.

"We cannot cover every inch of the ground and protect everybody," Torres told a weekly media forum in San Juan City this morning. He appealed to residents to provide information on these groups to minimize occurences of kidnapping in the area.

Kidnapping cases in Mindanao, particularly in Sulu and Basilan, are on the rise and targets include children, teachers, garbage collectors, foreign social workers and peace advocates.

venntro

February 25th, 2009, 08:33 AM

Biazon to Danilo Lim: Rethink supposed Senate bid (http://http://www.gmanews.tv/story/150310/Biazon-to-Danilo-Lim-Rethink-supposed-Senate-bid)
02/25/2009 | 02:56 PM

MANILA, Philippines - Senator Rodolfo Biazon on Wednesday advised alleged coup plotter Brig. Gen. Danilo Lim to think carefully before crashing into the political arena.

Biazon, a former military man himself, expressed worries that Lim – earlier reported as enjoying support from a group of soldiers to become senator - would be unable to carry out his functions if ever he secures a seat at the Senate. Biazon is the chairman of the Senate committee on national defense and security.

The senator said being a senator does not only involve the filing of proposed laws, but also attending Senate hearings, participating in plenary debates, and casting votes on legislative measures.

As for the active members of the Armed Forces of the Philippines who signed a manifesto of support for Lim, Biazon said they could have gone over board and violated their mandate.

The senator said the only time that soldiers can manifest their “political right" is when casting their votes during elections, and that campaigning for a candidate is not one of their rights.

The manifesto – published in a major daily broadsheet as a paid advertisement – contained signatures from 10 military groups composed of retired and active soldiers vouching for Lim, who is the national chairman of the Magdalo group.

The AFP and the Palace have both downplayed the manifesto, saying it does not pose a threat to the country’s national security.

In their statement, the groups said they aspire "for the collective vision of a country for peace, progress and prosperity" and that they are "officially united" under Lim’s leadership.

The groups also said that they need to strengthen their ranks "in the face of a ruthless enemy" and that the public clamors for "a new breed of leader."

Lim, former commander of the Army's elite Scout Rangers, is among the 28 military men being tried in court martial proceedings for their alleged link to the failed military uprising in February 2006.

Lim also faces rebellion charges in connection with the November 2007 stand-off at the Peninsula Manila hotel in Makati City. He is currently detained at the PNP Custodial Center at Camp Crame. - Mark Merueñas, GMANews.TV

venntro

February 25th, 2009, 09:05 AM

Defense chief: Danilo Lim can run in 2010 polls (http://http://www.gmanews.tv/story/150316/Defense-chief-Danilo-Lim-can-run-in-2010-polls)
02/25/2009 | 03:50 PM

MANILA, Philippines - Defense Secretary Gilberto Teodoro Jr. sees no problem with former Scout Ranger chief Brig. Gen. Danilo Lim running in the 2010 elections despite his alleged attempt to overthrow the Arroyo government three years ago.

Interviewed in Camp Aguinaldo on Wednesday, Teodoro said under the Constitution, Lim is qualified to run for government post. He also noted that the detained general has not been convicted of a crime yet.

"General Lim has not been convicted by final judgment so he can do what he wants politically," Teodoro said.

A number of active and retired military officers, as well as several civilians, had earlier signed a manifesto of support for Lim, who is facing a charge of mutiny before a military court in connection with the alleged plot to overthrow the Arroyo administration in February 2006.

Teodoro belittled the manifesto, saying the active soldiers who signed it are those currently facing various offenses within the military organization.

“There is no one coming from the Armed Forces in active duty who is not facing an offense right now who supported it (manifesto),” the Defense chief said.

Among the active officers who signed the manifesto were Medal of Valor awardees Col. Ariel Querubin and Lt. Col. Custodio Parcon; Col. Orlando de Leon; Lt. Col. Edmundo Malabanjot; Lt. Col. Nestor Flordeliza; Maj. Jason Aquino; and Capt. Ruben Guinolbay. Most of them have been linked to destabilization plots against the government in the past. - GMANews.TV

mgian_21

February 25th, 2009, 04:20 PM

go... AFP....

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/381/cimg0001no1.jpg

parang Band of Brothers...

Jake_noypi

February 25th, 2009, 09:39 PM

Oks yan ah! Pero parang kulang ng flag natin... para nmn nationalistic yung dating talaga

venntro

February 26th, 2009, 02:12 AM

^^ Yup, it also reminded me of the Band of brothers or if they just had a flag, could well be Iwo Jima.

venntro

February 26th, 2009, 02:12 AM

Dela Paz to face raps over euro mess if… (http://http://www.gmanews.tv/story/150435/Dela-Paz-to-face-raps-over-euro-mess-if…)
02/26/2009 | 08:26 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Unless he can turn over the remaining 85,000 euros to the Philippine National Police by Saturday, retired PNP comptroller Director Eliseo dela Paz will face a civil suit over the mess.

PNP spokesman Chief Superintendent Nicanor Bartolome said they are giving Dela Paz until the “end of this month" to hand over the rest of the money.

“Binigyan until the end of the month ni Gen. Verzosa si Gen. dela Paz upang sa ganoon maisauli lahat ang entire amount ng Russian authorities. Pagka hindi pa ito naibigay until the end of the month magfa-file na ang PNP ng civil case against Gen. dela Paz [PNP chief Director General Jesus Verzosa has given dela Paz until the end of this month to turn over the entire amount from Russian authorities.
If he fails, the PNP will file a civil case against him]," Bartolome said in an interview on dwIZ radio.

Earlier, Bartolome confirmed Dela Paz had wired 10,000 of 105,000 euros seized by Russian authorities in October last year to the PNP’s bank account.

Another 10,000 euros had been returned as of Wednesday.

The National Police Commission (Napolcom) had earlier given Dela Paz until April 2009 to return the full amount.

Dela Paz was part of the eight-member PNP delegation to the 77th International Police Organization (Interpol) General Assembly held in Russia in October last year.

But he and his wife were held at the Moscow airport for carrying 105,000 euros without declaring it.

As of now, Bartolome said dela Paz’s camp is still haggling with Russian authorities for lower fees to transfer the money.

“Accountability ni Gen. Dela Paz yan. Siya mismo pinadalhan ng demand letter ng PNP upang sa ganoon ang buong amount by end of February (This is the accountability of Gen. Dela Paz. The PNP addressed its demand letter to him to return the full amount by end of February),"
he said. - GMANews.TV

tonight

February 26th, 2009, 09:54 AM

AFP ready to defend Spratlys—official (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/20090226-191187/AFP-ready-to-defend-Spratlysofficial)

MANILA, Philippines – The military is ready to defend the country's claim over Spratlys and Scarborough islands if the need arises, a Navy spokesman said Thursday.

"We are ready kung sakaling na magkaroon ng [if there would be] intrusions... That is part of our mandate, kaya tayo nandoroon [that’s why we’re there] is to make sure that our territorial integrity, 'yung ating interest dun sa lugar na 'yun [our interest in that area] will be protected, said Lieutenant Colonel Edgard Arevalo.

He added that there was no need to augment troops in the area despite threats by the Chinese government over the pending approval by Congress of the Baselines Bill.

Quoting the Department of National Defense, Arevalo said that the Baselines Bill was "still within the limits and bounds as provided under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Seas" hence there was no need to beef up forces in the areas included in the measure.

Arevalo refused to give the exact number of troops deployed in these areas for security purposes saying only that there are enough troops patrolling the islands.

"For the moment, I believe so, they are sufficient, they are sufficient in number and equipment at patuloy ang ating monitoring sa activities dun [and our monitoring activities are ongoing there] and we have enough mobility assets just in case, should there be exigency or a need to deploy," Arevalo said.

Rotation of troops is conducted at regular six-month intervals to make sure that the troops are "psychologically and physically ready to perform their mandated roles," Arevalo said.

He added that the Navy has not monitored any significant movement of Chinese forces in Spratlys and Scarborough.

“We have not monitored any changes or big changes in areas where they have installed structures,” Arevalo said in Filipino.

"There are no mass intrusions [of Chinese forces] and so far continuous pa rin yung ating monitoring dito sa area na ito [our monitoring in this area is] to make sure that our territorial integrity is being protected," he added.

Arciga_01

February 26th, 2009, 11:13 AM

Wait....May navy tayo??! Kala ko lumubog na..

tonight

February 27th, 2009, 04:12 AM

maliliit yata ang ship natin, walang bago

bitoy

February 27th, 2009, 05:35 AM

Wait....May navy tayo??! Kala ko lumubog na..

maliliit yata ang ship natin, walang bago

Mas marami tayong Admirals kaysa sa mga barko. :lol:

tonight

February 27th, 2009, 09:09 AM

^^
marami pala ang promotions :lol:

tonight

February 27th, 2009, 09:09 AM

Labor lawyer seeks SC protection (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/regions/view/20090227-191428/Labor-lawyer-seeks-SC-protection)

MANILA, Philippines -- A labor lawyer has sought the Supreme Court’s protection against police and members of the military who are allegedly harassing him

In his petition for the issuance of a writ of amparo, Remigio Saladero Jr. asked the high court to order the Philippine National Police (PNP) and Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) to explain why they are harassing and stalking him.

A writ of amparo is a remedy available to any person whose rights to life, liberty and security have been violated or threatened with violation by an unlawful act or omission of a public official or employee, or of a private individual or entity.

The writ covers extralegal killings and enforced disappearances or threats.

He also urged the high court to conduct a hearing and order the military and police to return the items confiscated from him when he was arrested in October last year, including a cellular phone, a court calendar, a laptop and desktop computers, and photo albums.

Saladero is the chief legal counsel of the Kilusang Mayo Uno (KMU, May First Movement), board chairman of the Pro-Labor Legal Assistance Center's (PLACE), legal counsel of the Anakpawis (Toiling Masses) party-list, National Federation of Labor Unions (NAFLU)-KMU chief legal counsel, and member of the National Union of People's Lawyers (NUPL), among others.

He was arrested on Oct. 23, 2008 in his home-cum-law office in Antipolo, Rizal on a warrant of arrest issued against him on frustrated and multiple murder charges filed in Mindoro.

He was brought to Camp Vicente Lim in Laguna and, later, to Calapan City in Oriental Mindoro.

He was released February 5, 2009 on orders of the Calapan Regional Trial Court.

tonight

February 27th, 2009, 10:10 AM

Intensified debriefing for AFP mulled (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20090227-191376/Intensified-debriefing-for-AFP-mulled)

MANILA, Philippines -- (UPDATE) The Department of National Defense (DND) is looking into possibly boosting psychological and post traumatic debriefing for the Armed Forces of the Philippines, following a shooting incident in Fort Bonifacio in Taguig City, Defense Secretary Gilbert Teodoro said Friday.

Teodoro in an interview said that situations like this have become a "matter of concern," although he clarified that he has not yet given any specific orders to address the issue.

“With the incident such as this, you know what I’m worried about is what if this incident happens in a public place where children and civilians are there?” Teodoro said.

“We really have a very good psychological care no for those who come out of traumatic experiences and for their families. [But] then again with incidents such as this, [it] proves that we need to do more,” he added.

Teodoro said he was still waiting for the results of the investigation and assured the public that there would be "no covering up" of the cases.

He also urged the Armed Forces of the Philippines to look into cases of military personnel firing their weapons while under the influence of alcohol.

On Wednesday, Sergeant Elias Tial killed three of his superiors and wounded another officer when he opened fire at them at Fort Bonifacio for still unknown reasons. Tial remains at large.

Lucentino

February 27th, 2009, 03:42 PM

Wait....May navy tayo??! Kala ko lumubog na..

Mas marami tayong Admirals kaysa sa mga barko. :lol:

I think most of our navy personnel (the good ones), are making do of what they have, and what's given to them... I guess the politicians are more to be blamed for the lack of equipment of the armed forces.

tonight

February 28th, 2009, 04:09 AM

I think most of our navy personnel (the good ones), are making do of what they have, and what's given to them... I guess the politicians are more to be blamed for the lack of equipment of the armed forces.

^^
i think malaki ang budget ng military natin

Arciga_01

February 28th, 2009, 05:56 AM

^^
i think malaki ang budget ng military natin kaso mas malaki ang bulsa ng mga politicians at officials kaya pinupuno pa nila ito

FIXED :naughty: :lol:

chris_nigel

February 28th, 2009, 02:03 PM

maiba lang d ba lagi chartered flight gamit ni GMA pag umaalis sya ng bansa? kailan kaya tayo magkakaroon ng sariling AIR FORCE ONE? meron ba tau nun dati?

Arciga_01

February 28th, 2009, 05:06 PM

Meron tayong presidential aircraft, kaso hinde na pinapasakay ang presidente dahil baka bumagsak :lol:! Natakot na sila mula nung naganap un aksidente kay magsaysay

gen1

February 28th, 2009, 05:20 PM

maiba lang d ba lagi chartered flight gamit ni GMA pag umaalis sya ng bansa? kailan kaya tayo magkakaroon ng sariling AIR FORCE ONE? meron ba tau nun dati?

We have a fokker f28 which serves as the president's airplane.

It is not cost effective nor do we need to have a longer ranged presidential aircraft just to chase obama all over the globe :lol:

btw, we only have a single operational C130 military transport. We have greater need for additional military transport planes than for presidential aircraft.

dashalvin

February 28th, 2009, 05:41 PM

I've heard dat our country has a nuclear facility in Palawan. And that Bulacan nuclear power plant is not really having any trench or faults in its land so it can be used. Is this true?

tonight

March 1st, 2009, 08:09 AM

FIXED :naughty: :lol:

^^ :rofl:

hakhaimo

March 1st, 2009, 08:32 PM

Would the AFP consider acquiring or developing an MLRS? I think this would be helpful in bombarding the camps of rebel groups accurately.

hakhaimo

March 1st, 2009, 08:37 PM

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Specialists run the high-tech surveillance and detection facility of the Coast Watch South which was activated yesterday (29Jan) inside the Western Mindanao Command camp in Zamboanga City. PHOTO BY CHARLIE SACEDA

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Philippine Navy Flag Officer in Command Rear Adm. Ferdinand Golez together with Naval Forces Western Mindanao Commo Alexander Pama try out the high-tech surveillance and intelligence system which, in full operation, avert piracy and terrorism by detection while at sea in western Mindanao, during the activitation of the Coast Watch South facility in Zamboanga City. PHOTO BY CHARLIE SACEDA

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Philippine Navy Flag Officer in Command Rear Adm. Ferdinand Golez gestures as he activates the Coast Watch South, the most high-tech surveillance and intelligence facility which, in full operation, can detect piracy, terrorism and lawlessness at sea within western Mindanao during ceremonies in Zamboanga City. PHOTO BY CHARLIE SACEDA

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A specialist mans a terminal at the Coast Watch South which emplores high-tech surveillance and intelligence system is the western Mindanao seas that, when fully implemented, can avert piracy, terrorist and lawlessness at sea by detection, in Zamboanga City during its activation yesterday (29Jan). PHOTO BY CHARLIE SACEDA

Photos from:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/csxmit/3262819602/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/csxmit/3261992485/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/csxmit/3262819428/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/csxmit/3261992283/

hakhaimo

March 1st, 2009, 08:54 PM

Building up

Despite its limited resources, the Marines is hopeful that it could reverse the fate of the southern archipelago through the Coast Watch South.

Malaysia has about 26 radar stations on Borneo, a massive island also shared with Brunei and Indonesia. The Philippines, on the other hand, only has a radar system that could cover three percent of its area of about 123,000 square nautical miles.

Nevertheless, the armed forces have been able to maximize their operations. They have started upgrading its facilities.

“It’s a case of ‘build it and they will come,'" said Rodel Cruz, a former undersecretary of defense who helped oversee the blueprint for the defense reform program.

“The purpose is to establish a sea lane where legitimate business can pass [through],” added Rear Admiral Ernesto Marayag, commander of the Naval Forces of the southern region based in Zamboanga City, where the original nerve center was located.

The Coast Watch station in Zamboanga has been newly constructed inside the base of the Western Mindanao Command. The team was slowly put together and the equipment were later provided.

In Tawi-Tawi, the task force is setting its sight on the mountain peak as prime location for a radar station. They are waiting for the approval from the municipal council to lease out a land area for their use.

A smaller station is also scheduled to be completed in Tawi-Tawi’s Taganak island—which is more popular to tourists as the Turtle Island. It’s so near Malaysia that some of its residents use the ringgit currency. They’re aiming to build more stations in Palawan’s Balabac island and Sarangani’s Tinaka to monitor two other major sea routes. Ideally, each station should have eight personnel rotating on a 12-hour shift.

“The easiest part is to monitor,” said Marayag. “The most difficult is in the analyzing. When the monitoring [team] passes on info to the center [in Zamboanga], we decide whether to send interception by air or sea.”

Fast boats and radar

For this, Marayag said they might soon have four or six interception fast boats that could run at a high speed of 40 knots. These boats could make it from Zamboanga to Sulu in record time of two and a half hours.

The top priority is upgrading the radar system, he added. The current radar system has an effective range of 12 nautical miles. Ideally, it should have a maximum range of 48 nautical miles.

Captain Cruz said there’s a need to upgrade their radar to a thermal-seeking FLIR (Forward Looking Infrared System) to make monitoring of targets easier. He said it's one of the necessary equipment that the Navy is expected to acquire this year.

Marayag said it is clear to the Navy that this is a long-term process starting with what little funding they have.

But they are not discouraged. The interest shown by the Australian government in providing financial backing to the plan makes the Marines optimistic. President Arroyo is expected to sign an executive order that is similar to the agreement among the countries of Indonesia, Malaysia, and Singapore over the Straits of Malacca.

“Instead of the waters dividing borders, waters should bring us together,” said the former defense undersecretary Cruz.

Ultimately, the Navy men dreams to see an additional air fleet of Norwegian-made Islanders and German-made B0105, which have twin engines that are suitable for sea maneuvers.

From: http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/features/12/17/08/coast-watch-south-guarding-sulus-wealth

gen1

March 1st, 2009, 11:58 PM

I've heard dat our country has a nuclear facility in Palawan. And that Bulacan nuclear power plant is not really having any trench or faults in its land so it can be used. Is this true?

We have a reactor in QC, at the Phil Nuclear Research Institute. It's not operational but it fueled.

tonight

March 2nd, 2009, 07:20 AM

Dela Paz has until Monday—PNP chief (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20090302-191851/Dela-Paz-has-until-MondayPNP-chief)
By Abigail Kwok

MANILA, Philippines – Retired police comptroller Eliseo dela Paz has until the end of the day to return the millions of pesos worth of euros obtained from the Philippine National Police (PNP) bank account, PNP Director General Jesus Verzosa said on Monday.

In an interview, Verzosa said Dela Paz has returned only 40,000 euros as of posting time and the embattled comptroller has until Monday’s banking hours to return the remaining 65,000 euros.

Last week, the PNP gave Dela Paz until February 28 to return the money or face civil charges.

“But since the last day of February was a weekend, we gave him up to today to complete the remittance of the whole amount to the PNP account,” Verzosa said.

Should Dela Paz fail to return the remaining balance to the PNP account this Monday, Verzosa said they would be filing a “civil action for the collection of a sum of money” at the Quezon City regional trial court (RTC) on Tuesday.

Asked if they would give an extension to Dela Paz if requested, Verzosa said, “No more. It will be settled in the court concerned.”

Dela Paz and his wife were accosted in a Russian airport in October last year for failing to declare millions of pesos worth of euros.

(1 Euro (EUR) = P61.52434, as of Monday, March 2)

tonight

March 2nd, 2009, 07:47 AM

PNP needs 7,000 new cops (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20090302-191904/PNP-needs-7000-new-cops)
By Abigail Kwok

MANILA, Philippines -- The Philippine National Police (PNP) needs more than 7,000 new policemen, Director General Jesus Verzosa said on Monday.

A drive is on to find recruits to fill the 3,000 positions for Police Officers 1 (PO1) and the 4,245 vacancies due to retirement, death, dismissal or resignation in 2008 and early 2009, Verzosa said.

PNP director for personnel and records management Edgardo Acuña said the recruitment drive for the 3,000 PO1s is in compliance with President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo’s order to recruit 15,000 rookie policemen within five years from 2006.

The PNP will look for 3,000 more recruits in the second half of this year.

Of the 7,245 new policemen the PNP hopes to recruit, 725 will be assigned to national support units (NSUs) and 6,520 to different police regional offices, Acuña said.

Mindanao will get the most number of new recruits, 1,981, followed by the National Capital Region Police Office (NCRPO), with 1, he said.

“We are trying to strengthen our police forces with the employment of new police recruits and this is the initial recruitment,” Verzosa said.

New applicants will undergo a series of examinations and trainings and, after their oath-taking in July, will be transferred to the Police National Training Institute (PNTI) for one year of regular field training.

hakhaimo

March 2nd, 2009, 10:55 AM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/2862568295_fb83a78fa1.jpg?v=0
An air-to-air right side view of an OV-10 Bronco aircraft firing a white phosphorous smoke rocket to mark a ground target. The aircraft is used by forward air controllers in support of ground troops.

From: http://www.flickr.com/photos/26346696@N05/2862568295/

venntro

March 3rd, 2009, 06:37 AM

Lacson grills Bangit at CA's executive session (http://http://www.gmanews.tv/story/151137/Lacson-grills-Bangit-at-CAs-executive-session)
03/03/2009 | 01:21 PM

MANILA Philippines – The Commission on Appointments (CA) on Tuesday held an executive session for Lieutenant General Delfin Bangit, who is allegedly involved in a “demolition job" against opposition Sen. Panfilo Lacson in 2001.

Bangit requested an executive session after Lacson questioned him on the details of what the senator considered as “gang-up job" on him by Bangit and his “mistahs" at the Philippine Military Academy Class 1978 – which had President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo as an adopted member – in 2001.

“As long as I am not convinced you are telling the truth, I will not stop maski makarating ka sa buttocks ni alam mo na [As long as I am not convinced you are telling the truth I will not stop even if you go to the buttocks of you-know-who]," Lacson said.

But it was not until Lacson told Bangit that he had a sworn statement of trader Blanquita Pelaez that Bangit sought an executive session.

Pelaez had gone after Lacson to pay for handcuffs she delivered to the Philippine National Police. Lacson, as head of the PNP then, refused to pay.

“Naka-narrate dito ang participation mo at ibang classmate mo to make life very difficult for me. You practically ganged up on me for whatever reason alam mo na siguro. You have no idea? [Pelaez narrated your and your classmates’ participation to make life very difficult for me. You practically ganged up on me for whatever reason I think you know, and you’re telling me you have no idea?]," Lacson told Bangit.

“At this point may I request for executive session," Bangit replied.

“I just want the truth. As of now I am not convinced he is telling the truth. If he wants to take advantage of an executive session to tell the truth I have no objection," Lacson said.

Last month, Lacson asked for an executive session to interpellate Bangit for his confirmation to the rank of Lieutenant General.

On Tuesday’s confirmation hearing of the CA, Lacson’s questions centered on a smear campaign by members of PMA Class 1978 that involved Pelaez in 2001.

At the time, Lacson said members of the PMA Class ‘78 went on a “fishing expedition" to find “evidence" that Lacson had a $700-million bank account and several houses in the US.

Lacson started his interpellation with questions on a 2006 Christmas party at the Intelligence Service of the Armed Forces that Bangit headed at the time.

The party was shortly after the capture of now Senator Gregorio Honasan II, Lacson’s classmate at PMA Class 1971.

Bangit admitted spending P20,000 of his own money at the party, and receiving P5 million as reward from a joint police-military reward committee but denied receiving P5 million from the Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office.

He claimed he knew Pelaez only through a classmate, former Supt. (Romeo) Maningding, also a member of PMA Class 1978.

But he said most of their “requests" to him were for Maningding be given a provincial command.

“Both of them always come to reiterate that they be given position," he said. - with reports from Amita O. Legaspi and Sophia Dedace, GMANews.TV

venntro

March 3rd, 2009, 07:24 AM

Disgraced RP general’s sons due in US court on March 5 (http://http://www.gmanews.tv/story/151148/Disgraced-RP-generals-sons-due-in-US-court-on-March-5)
03/03/2009 | 02:03 PM

CHICAGO – The two sons of retired Maj. Gen. Carlos Garcia, former comptroller of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP), are scheduled to appear on March 5 before the US District Court for the Northern District of California in San Francisco, according to Jack Gillund, public affairs officer of the US Attorney’s Office of Northern California.

Meanwhile, a spokesperson of the US District Court of Nevada in Las Vegas said Ian Carl Depakakibo Garcia was released on a $10,000 bond after a detention hearing last Friday, Feb. 27, before Magistrate Judge Robert J. Johnson.

It could not be confirmed if Ian Carl’s brother, Juan Paulo Depakakibo Garcia, has also been released from detention after appearing before the US Magistrate Judge R. Steven Whalen last Thursday at the US District Court of Eastern Michigan in Detroit.

The Garcia brothers were arrested last on Feb. 25 in their respective residential areas in Las Vegas and in Pontiac, Michigan after they were indicted on December 9, 2008 by a grand jury for allegedly smuggling $100,000 into the United States more than five years ago.

They are facing a four-count indictment of bulk smuggling of more than $10,000, overt acts of furtherance of the conspiracy and forfeiture allegation.

According to a four-page indictment, Ian Carl and Juan Paulo “conspired to transport and attempt to transport more than $10,000 in currency that was concealed on their persons and in their luggage" from Manila to San Francisco International Airport on or about Dec. 19, 2003 “with the intent to evade a currency reporting requirement."

It added that Juan Paulo carried approximately $50,000 in US currency concealed in envelopes inside a jacket in his carry-on luggage aboard Philippine Air Lines (PAL).

Ian Carl also carried approximately $50,000 in US currency, concealed in envelopes inside a pair of shoes in his carry-on luggage and in the inner pocket of his carry-on luggage aboard PAL.

They both marked “No" boxes, indicating they were not carrying more than $10,000 in currency. They also “falsely told a customs inspector at the San Francisco International Airport that they were carrying a total of $1,000 in United States currency."

If convicted, the Garcia brothers will forfeit in favor of the United States “the $100,000 in the Unites States currency seized" from them on Dec. 19, 2003.

They are the sons of Carlos Garcia, who recently was found guilty in the Philippines of perjury for misdeclaration of his assets and liabilities in 2000.

Ian Carl, Juan Paulo, their father and their mother are also facing plunder charges in the Philippines for allegedly amassing 303.27 million Philippine pesos (US$6 million) of ill-gotten wealth during former Garcia’s active military service.

The maximum statutory penalty for each of the four counts in the indictment – conspiracy to commit bulk cash smuggling, bulk cash smuggling, failure to report the importation of monetary instruments and false statements to a government agency – are five years in prison, and a $250,000 fine.

The penalty for failure to declare the importation of monetary instruments increases to 10 years in prison if a defendant is convicted of this charge in addition to one of the other three charges in the indictment. - Joseph Lariosa, GMANews.TV

venntro

March 3rd, 2009, 07:25 AM

Ranking CPP leader falls into govt hands - AFP (http://http://www.gmanews.tv/story/151147/Ranking-CPP-leader-falls-into-govt-hands---AFP)
AIE BALAGTAS SEE, GMANews.TV
03/03/2009 | 01:57 PM

MANILA, Philippines — A ranking official of the Communist Party of Philippines (CPP) implicated in the alleged mass murder of 15 members of the New People's Army (NPA) fell into the hands of authorities last week, a military spokesman said Tuesday.

Lt. Col. Ernesto Torres said Eduado Sarmiento alias Ka Edok was arrested sometime last week at Star Mall in Alabang, Muntinlupa City by joint forces of the military and police.

On March 6, 2007, Executive Judge Ephrem Abando of the Hilongos, Leyte regional trial court issued an arrest warrant against Sarmiento and 51 others including exiled CPP founder Jose Maria Sison in connection with the alleged murder of 15 NPA rebels from 1985 to 1991.

Sarmiento, according to Torres, is the secretary of the Eastern Visayas Regional Party and a member of the CPP Central Committee.

Torres said Sarmiento is to be presented later Tuesday afternoon. - GMANews.TV

venntro

March 3rd, 2009, 07:26 AM

General in 2-step promotion ‘demoted’ on paper (http://http://www.gmanews.tv/story/151150/General-in-2-step-promotion-demoted-on-paper)
03/03/2009 | 02:14 PM

MANILA, Philippines - A military general whose two-step promotion was questioned Tuesday by the Commission on Appointments (CA) has been “demoted" to his previous rank, but only on paper.

Armed Forces of the Philippines J-1 deputy chief of staff Rear Admiral Ramon Punzalan admitted the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) General Headquarters had not recalled Oscar Rabena’s promotion to Lieutenant General.

“There was no order reverting his rank back to Major General," Punzalan admitted before the CA Committee on Defense.

Earlier at the CA hearing, the CA said it received a communication from Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita “withdrawing" Rabena’s promotion to Lieutenant General and submitting his name to the CA for confirmation as Major General.

Punzalan, when asked by Sen. Panfilo Lacson what happened to a general order from AFP general headquarters promoting Rabena to Lieutenant General, said “we did not withdraw it."

“So as far as the General Headquarters (GHQ) is still concerned, he (Rabena) is still holding rank of Lieutenant General - that is the implication. You have not issued a corresponding order reverting him to his rank,"
Lacson said.

Punzalan, who fielded questions at the CA defense committee, also insisted Rabena was “not demoted" and that his promotion to Lieutenant General was “ad interim."

He said Rabena, an Air Force official, had his promotion to Lieutenant General “recalled" by Malacañang through a letter by Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita.

For Tuesday’s CA deliberation, Rabena was listed as up for confirmation as Major General, no longer Lieutenant General.

“(But) how can we confirm him to Major General if he has been promoted to Lieutenant General and that order has not been rescinded? We’re again doing an illegal act. As far as GHQ is concerned, he is a lieutenant general as of today. They have not issued an order recalling that promotion," he said.

Earlier, Lacson had questioned Rabena’s promotion to Lieutenant General even before his previous rank, Major General, had yet to be confirmed by the CA.

Lacson had threatened to have the confirmation of all Palace appointees deferred unless Malacañang “corrects" the mess.

When asked by Lacson where the oversight occurred, Punzalan said, “I’m sorry Mr. Chairman, it was the fault of the personnel officer."

“I think it was my fault. I was the secretary of the Board of Generals," he added.

But when Lacson asked for a copy of the general order recalling Rabena’s promotion to Lieutenant General, he repeatedly referred to a letter signed by Ermita.

Lacson pointed out that since Rabena’s promotion to Lieutenant General was covered by a general order, “necessarily there must be a general order reverting him to his present position." - GMANews.TV

venntro

March 3rd, 2009, 08:28 AM

RP military invited to multilateral exercise in Thailand (http://http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=445181&publicationSubCategoryId=200)
Updated March 03, 2009 02:30 PM

MANILA, Philippines (Xinhua) -- The visiting chief of the defense forces of Thailand today asked the Philippine military to join Thai forces and troops from four other countries, including the United States, in a multilateral military exercise held in Thailand.

Gen. Songgitti Jaggabatara, chief of the defense forces of the Royal Thai Armed Forces, said they were looking forward to the actual participation of the Armed Forces of the Philippines in the training, where the Philippine military is a mere observer.

"We have a multi-nation exercise between Thailand, United States, Indonesia, Singapore, and Japan and the Philippine Armed Force still is observer. After this, maybe the Philippine Armed Force will take part to join the exercise," said Jaggabatara.

Philippine forces are holding military exercises in its territory with various countries, including the United States under a bilateral Visiting Forces Agreement.

Jaggabatara said that during his talks with his Filipino counterpart, Gen. Alexander Yano, they agreed to "enhance the cooperation between the Philippine Armed Force and the Royal Thail Armed Force in the future."

venntro

March 4th, 2009, 04:16 AM

Gay men can enter the Army (http://http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/03/04/09/gay-men-can-enter-army)
abs-cbnNEWS.com | 03/04/2009 11:07 AM

Gay men can go to war with brave Filipino soldiers, a military spokesman said as he announced Wednesday that members of the third sex can apply for enlistment in the Philippine Army.

"We welcome them. We welcome everybody. We don't discriminate [gay] people here," Lt. Col. Romeo Brawner Jr., Army spokesman, told ABS-CBN's morning show, "Umagang Kay Ganda."

Brawner said as long as an applicant is physically, emotionally and mentally fit, the Army would be proud to enlist them, including gay people.

"They are allowed [and] of course they will have the same assignments. They can also go to war," the Army spokesman added.

Brawner clarified that the Army or any other units of the Armed Forces of the Philippines does not discriminate gay people, including bisexual men.

For this year, the Army needs to enlist 3,900 people. The military as a whole needs 6,700 new recruits this year, he said.

On Tuesday, hundreds of Army applicants lined up at the Army's main recruitment center in Fort Bonifacio in Makati City.

The Army said they are expecting more people to apply this year because of the massive layoff in electronics, garments and furniture factories.

Several factories have closed shop in the country because of the decreasing export demand as an effect of the global economic crisis.

Brawner said a candidate soldier receives P8,700 monthly. Training last from three months to four months, he said.

Lucentino

March 4th, 2009, 06:10 AM

^^
i think malaki ang budget ng military natin

I believe it is more or less 1-2% of GDP.

Bulk of the fund goes to Salaries, Maintenance, Repairs, Operations, Trainings, Equipment, and maybe to some pockets.

tonight

March 4th, 2009, 07:01 AM

Allow conditional use of landmines (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20090304-192269/Allow-conditional-use-of-landmines)
By Leila Salaverria

MANILA, Philippines -- Government agencies, including the police, pledged on Wednesday to support the anti-landmines bill, intended to totally ban the use of such ordnance in the Philippines, but the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) asked Congress to allow the use of the weapons under certain conditions.

The Department of Justice, Department of Foreign Affairs, the Office of the Presidential Adviser on the Peace Process, and the Philippine National Police expressed full support for the proposed total ban.

But at the hearing of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, Major General Eduardo Oban, deputy chief of plans, expressed the AFP’s support for the bill but said they had reservations about certain provisions.

Muntinlupa Representative Rozanno Rufino Biazon wondered at Oban's statement supporting the bill since a position paper submitted by the AFP to the committee said the military was recommending the regulation and restriction of the anti personnel mines' production, use and acquisition.

Biazon said that as he understood it, the military's position would not translate to a total ban on anti-personnel mines.

Oban said the AFP “supports the House Bill on the total ban of anti-personnel mines as defined.”

But he was nevertheless asked to clarify the military's position further during the technical working group meeting later to iron out its provisions.

In the AFP's position paper, it recommended the “regulation of the acquisition, procurement and use of certain landmines for their normal or expected use as long as they do not violate the law of war principle of discrimination.”

It also said landmines mines might be used resorted to under certain conditions.

Akbayan Representative Risa Hontiveros, who has been pushing for the anti-landmines bill, said the weapons should be banned because of their “indiscriminate nature” -- meaning these can harm anybody, anytime, once planted in the ground.

Children or school buses passing by could accidentally step on such mines.

Landmines would also continue to pose a risk long after hostilities have ended, she said. In comparison, weapons like bombs or grenades could at least be controlled to hit only a certain target.

tonight

March 4th, 2009, 07:45 AM

AFP to help in ROTC bill (http://www.mb.com.ph/node/197559)
By Rio Rose Ribaya

Defense Secretary Gilberto Teodoro Jr. instructed the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) to help them in the formulation and submission of the Reserve Officers Training Corps (ROTC) Incentives Bill.

Maj. Gen. Reu Lucio Samaco, AFP deputy chief of staff for reserve affairs, was tasked to join Department of National Defense (DND) in the submission of the ROTC Incentives Bill, which he said will look for a budget source to fund free education for cadet scholars.

Teodoro explained that the bill would revitalize volunteerism in the ROTC program because it would offer wiser and more practical option for students.

In the proposed bill, Teodoro explained that colleges and universities will give free education to students who will volunteer for ROTC in exchange for an eight-year service in the military immediately after their graduation.

"I think it (bill) will be of great help (to revive volunteerism in ROTC) because we need to be practical and not just rely on loyalty and patriotism. And what’s the best thing to do? Free tuition (and) guaranteed employment," he said.

Teodoro, a former legislator, also said that the bill would also increase the number of officers who want to render service in the military. "This will solve the problem of the dwindling number of cadets applying in the Philippine Military Academy in Baguio City.’’

PMA records showed the decreasing number of youth who want to serve in the military when the number of applicants went down from 21,051 in 1997 to 7,739 in 2007.

Teodoro added that he will appear "Tayong Dalawa," a high-rating primetime teleserye on ABS-CBN, not to become an actor, but to spur more public attention into the AFP.

"We are exploring all avenues in increasing the trust and respectability of the Armed Force of the Philippines (AFP) to affect development mechanisms to make an armed force that the people can be proud of.

"We’re exploring the media.

I consented to guest in a show Tayong Dalawa because of the fact that it has spur attention for the armed forces… That is another way by which we are attracting interest in the armed forces for youth," he said.

Teodoro also tasked Samaco to conduct a study on how to reshape the ROTC into an Officer Training Corps program, a kind of training that will give equal chance to reserve volunteers to have the same skills as the traditionally-commissioned officers.

He also ordered Rear Adm. Ramon Punzalan, the AFP deputy chief of staff for personnel, to conduct a feasibility study into having an objective standard of promoting reserve officers through competitive examinations.

The adjustment of promotions based on individual merits rather than by seniority would be a great way to promote the welfare of reservist officers and attract more people into military service, Teodoro said.

The top defense official said these are but a few actions and programs that the defense department has thought to solve the dwindling number of ROTC volunteers and the problem of maintaining a large number of reservists within the military.

He added these programs would be sufficient while lawmakers in the House of Representatives deliberate whether to allow the revival of mandatory ROTC with badly-needed reforms or not.

In 2002, the National Service Training Program (NSTP) Act of 2002 made the ROTC program optional for college students following the death of UST engineering student Mark Chua that exposed cases of corruption and anomalies in the program.

tonight

March 4th, 2009, 08:34 AM

Air Force to get South Korean planes (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20090304-192284/Air-Force-to-get-South-Korean-planes)
By Katherine Evangelista

Trainers given as ‘token of friendship’

MANILA, Philippines -- The Philippine Air Force (PAF) will be getting 15 training planes donated by South Korea, a spokesman of the service branch said Wednesday.

The 15 T-41B trainers are a "token of friendship" from South Korea, Major Gerardo Zamudio, Jr. said.

The aircraft will be turned over by Korean Ambassador Choi Jung Kyung to Defense Secretary Gilberto Teodoro, Jr. Thursday in ceremonies at Clark Air Base in Pampanga.

After the ceremony, Teodoro, a certified pilot, and Air Force chief Lieutenant General Oscar Rabena, will lead pilots in the maiden flight of all 15 planes as an "act of confirmation to the[ir] airworthiness," Zamudio said.

"The arrival of the trainer planes will greatly enhance the operational readiness of the entire Philippine Air Force, especially in training its pilots for the transition to territorial defense mode in 2012 from the current internal security operations of the Armed Forces of the Philippines," Zamudio said.

He said the donation of the aircraft is part of a program to improve the logistics support capabilities of the Korean and Philippine armed forces as provided for in a memorandum of understanding (MOU) on Logistics and Defense Industry Cooperation both countries signed in May 24, 1994.

"The MOU covers expanded and enhanced logistical cooperation such as procurement, supply, maintenance, and transportation, among others," Zamudio said.

"The bilateral relationship between both Armed Forces also helps the Korean military and defense establishments who regularly send their officers to the National Defense College and Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) Command and General Staff Course in Camp Aguinaldo," he added.

The latest delivery of the planes is the ninth delivery from Korea to the Philippine military since 1993 with earlier consignments included 16 buses for the Philippine Military Academy, 12 high speed coastal surveillance patrol boats, 10 medium high speed coastal surveillance patrol boats, army field telephones, Kevlar helmets, mobility and engineering equipment and maintenance parts for the boats, Zamudio said.

bitoy

March 4th, 2009, 09:18 AM

^^ yikes! these T-41s were retired in the mid 90s.

We are getting 15 of these.. gosh, medyo delikado tayo dito...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3267/3223292282_2c6ef3a4fc.jpg?v=0

And this is what will be replacing Korean Air Force training planes.
Ilyushin T-103 (Il-103)
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/9/0/7/1288709.jpg

chris_nigel

March 4th, 2009, 10:11 AM

kawawa talaga tayo

tonight

March 4th, 2009, 10:18 AM

^^
parang ganun nga...lahat ata planes ay donate lang

jpdm

March 4th, 2009, 10:40 AM

johnmizer

March 5th, 2009, 03:19 AM

ok lang ang basura na dumptrucks at street sweeper, pero, basura na eroplano?

johnmizer

March 5th, 2009, 03:20 AM

naalala nyo ba yung nag donate ang PAF sa australia?

higen

March 5th, 2009, 03:25 AM

ok lang ang basura na dumptrucks at street sweeper, pero, basura na eroplano?

^^:lol:

Im sure it can take off but it's the uncontrolled, unscheduled rough landings that our airforce? planes seem to be doing a lot of these days that Im worried about...Wawa naman pilots natin, Ala pa sa combat eh nalalagas na :(

pi_malejana

March 5th, 2009, 05:51 AM

naalala nyo ba yung nag donate ang PAF sa australia?

ito??

Air Force (http://www.defence.gov.au/defencemagazine/editions/20050301/groups/air_force.htm)
Good neighbours
The ADF's relationship with Vietnam and the Philippines is strengthening, CAF Air Marshal Angus Houston tells Kathryn Fitch.
Photograph, caption follows

CAF Air Marshal Angus Houston with the Director of the Vietnamese Air Force Officers College, Senior Colonel Nguyen, during his visit to Nha Trang. The aircraft is a Vietnamese Mig-21 fighter with a Mi-6 Hook helicopter behind. Photo provided by Air Force HQ

Significant advances in international relationships between Australia and our neighbours in Vietnam and the Philippines have been made with CAF Air Marshal Angus Houston's recent visit to the two countries.

The nine-day trip in February, the first time Air Marshal Houston had visited the Philippines or Vietnam, was designed to broaden and strengthen the emerging relationships with the countries.

"Over the period February 19 to 28, I visited the Air Forces of the Philippines and Vietnam. I met with the Chief of the Air Force from each country as well as their CDF equivalents," Air Marshal Houston says.

"In each country I received comprehensive briefs on their Air Forces and we engaged in discussion on counter-terrorism, maritime security, flying safety and personnel management. This was a very full and demanding schedule with visits conducted through the week and over both weekends."

"The outcomes were positive and enhanced our relationships with both countries. A number of projects to increase interaction were agreed. Vietnam, in particular, showed a level of engagement that we have not before experienced."

During the four days spent in the Philippines, CAF had a series of strategic meetings with the Under Secretary Jose Santos; Chief of General Staff General Efren L. Abu; and Chief of Staff Philippines Air Force Lieutenant General Jose L. Reyes. He also explored other opportunities for air-force-to-air-force engagement.

"Discussions held with each of these individuals were open and frank. Despite facing major challenges with funding, the Armed Forces of the Philippines and the Philippines Air Force both enjoy very strong leadership," he says.

While in the Philippines, he attended a ceremony at the 15th Strike Wing squadron at Danilo Atienza Air Base, Sangley Point, Cavite. During the ceremony, the CAF accepted a Bronco OV-10 aircraft, on behalf of the Australian War Memorial, donated by the Philippines Air Force.

This aircraft type is that flown by Australian forward air controllers during Vietnam. The particular aircraft had seen operations in Vietnam during the war in the hands of Australians and had undergone refurbishment by the Philippines Air Force over the past 12 months.

CAF also visited the 580th Air Defence Squadron Air Control Wing to review the work completed by the Australian Air Force Surveillance and Control Training Unit, which had previously conducted support visits to develop the Philippine's air defence training system.

Later in the week, Air Marshal Houston became the first Australian Air Force Chief to visit Vietnam. His arrival coincided with the 32nd anniversary of the reestablishment of diplomatic ties between Australia and Vietnam.

"The Vietnamese People's Army - Air Force and Air Defence (VPA-AF AD) is a very professional organisation with surprising similarities to our own defence force in many aspects. The VPA-AF AD is justifiably proud of what it has achieved in a very short period of time," he says.

While there, he met with Chief of General Staff Vietnamese Peoples Army Senior Lieutenant General Phung Quang Thanh and Chief of Staff Vietnamese People's Army Air Force and Air Defence Lieutenant General Nguyen Van to discuss opportunities to further Australian-Vietnamese defence engagement.

"These visits were very productive and the VPA officers were ready to engage with us in many areas. I see air-force-to-air-force engagement with Vietnam becoming more active in the forthcoming years," he says.

While in Hanoi, Air Marshal Houston toured the Vietnamese Peoples Army Air Force and Air Defence College and later in Nha Trang visited the Air Force Officers College. He also visited the 7th Military Region Head Quarters in Ho Chi Minh City for discussions surrounding Vietnam's regional military organisational responsibilities, and command and control.

As an adjunct to the program in Ho Chi Minh City, a visit to the wartime tunnel complex at Cu Chi was conducted with several officers winning the admiration of the local guide by moving through the entire length of the display tunnel.

Air Marshal Houston says he undoubtedly remains by choice and physical proportion a far better pilot than a tunnel rat. The entire visit party was impressed with the tenacity and bravery of the Cu Chi fighters.

"The visits to each of these establishments were very stimulating and reinforced discussions previously held with the senior appointments in Hanoi. These visits enabled us to further refine our proposed engagement opportunities," he says.
_____________________________

i think it was donated out of gratitude or a commemoration of some sort...

jvl

March 5th, 2009, 07:45 PM

^^ yikes! these T-41s were retired in the mid 90s.

We are getting 15 of these.. gosh, medyo delikado tayo dito...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3267/3223292282_2c6ef3a4fc.jpg?v=0

Refurbished, those planes could still go the distance. AFP pilots need to acquire and maintain capability to fly, and air assets are necessary requirement.

But it should not end there. This is a short stop-gap solution. This buys time for AFP to acquire better/modern trainers.

tonight

March 5th, 2009, 07:46 PM

PAF diamond flies again after 30 years (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20090305-192547/PAF-diamond-flies-again-after-30-years)
By Katherine Evangelista

Defense chief leads formation

CLARK FIELD, Pampanga -- On Thursday, the skies over the former Clark Airbase in Pampanga saw a spectacle not seen for three decades as 16 planes formed a diamond formation as they flew past.

The flyby, led by Defense Secretary Gilberto Teodoro Jr., who is a licensed pilot, Armed Forces of the Philippines chief of staff General Alexander Yano, and Air Force chief Lieutenant General Oscar Rabena, marked the maiden flight of 15 T-41 Bravo Trainer Planes donated to the Philippines Air Forces by South Korea.

The 15 planes, which Teodoro had just accepted from South Korean Ambassador to the Philippines Choi Joong-Kyung in a turnover ceremony, were joined by an SF-260 Marchetti to complete the 16-plane formation.

"It has been a long while na hindi natin nakita sa ere ang diamond formation na kasing laki nito [that we have not seen a diamond formation as large as this in the air]," Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Alan Ballesteros said.

So long ago, in fact, that Ballesteros said the last 16-plane diamond formation before Thursday’s was that of Saber jets of the defunct 5th Fighter Wing that took off from Basa Airbase in Pampanga in the mid-1970s, when the Philippine Air Force was at the peak of its strength.

Ballesteros, who was then a training cadet in the Philippine Air Force Flying School (PAFFS) at Basa, explained that the large diamond formation symbolizes “cohesion, unity and pride.”

Thus, while the Thursday flyby was not as spectacular as the one he remembered from his cadet days, Ballesteros said he was nevertheless happy to see the diamond in the air.

"Something is happening, may naidadagdag na eroplano sa atin [our planes have increased]," he said, especially at a time when the Air Force is having difficulty training its personnel.

Teodoro, in a separate interview, acknowledged it would take a long time for the Air Force to regain its peak strength, much less acquire modern fighter aircraft.

Asked how soon he thought this would happen, he replied: "Show me the money and I'll show you as soon as possible."

Brand new, top-of-the-line attack aircraft can cost up to $83 million or P3.7 billion each, he said.

At the moment, Teodoro said what the country needs are aircraft for internal security and logistical aircraft such as helicopters and transport planes.

Besides, he added, "Wala namang bansa na gusto pang gumyera sa ibang bansa unless siguro forced-to-good na [There is no country that wants to wage war against other countries, anyway, unless forced to do so]."

But Teodoro said the planes donated by South Korea will help ease the Air Force’s three-year backlog in training its personnel, caused by a lack of trainer aircraft.

Before South Korea donated the planes, which it had decommissioned in 2007, the Air Force only had eight T-41 Bravo aircraft and could train only 58 flight students a year, Philippine Air Force spokesman Major Gerardo Zamudio said.

The donated plans will be deployed in PAFFS, now based at Fernando Air Base in Lipa, Batangas, Teodoro said.

This year, he added, the Air Force will also be acquiring 16 new SF-260 Marchetti aircraft.

chris_nigel

March 6th, 2009, 03:57 AM

buti na lang high spirited and high morale pa din ang PAF kahit sobrang huli sila sa technology d tulad ng katabi nating mga bansa na dati eh maunlad pa tau sa kanila

johnmizer

March 6th, 2009, 06:09 AM

straight to museums ang mga asstes ng PAF

jpdm

March 6th, 2009, 06:23 AM

The only consolation is that our AFP knows how to maintain their old assets and maximize their potential.
They should not lose their pride and continue working for the people.

jpdm

March 6th, 2009, 07:12 AM

http://dynamic2.philonline.com/home_March_2009/fp030509_a.gif

Puwede na. basta maintenance lang.

Well-known naman Cessna. madali piyesa.

Keysa Russian or Israeli planes.

But i love those Sukhoi, Mig and Mi aircrafts...

Manila Standard

March 5, 2009

South Korea donates 15 trainer planes

THE Air Force will test-fly 15 T-41 Cessna planes donated by the South Korean government today to confirm their airworthiness, officials said.

Defense Secretary Gilberto Teodoro Jr. and Air Force commander Lt. Gen. Oscar Rabena will lead the turnover ceremony with Korean Ambassador Choi Jung Kyung at the Clark Airbase in Pampanga.

The maiden flights will start from the nearby Basa Air Base in Florida town to Fernando Airbase in Lipa City.

Air Force spokesman Maj. Gerardo Zamudio Jr. said the addition of 15 trainer planes would ease the backlog in training for new pilots.

“The arrival of the trainer planes will greatly enhance the operational readiness of the entire [Air Force], especially in training its pilots for the transition to territorial defense mode in 2012 from the current internal security operations of the Armed Forces,” Zamudio said in a statement.

The Philippines and Korea have been exchanging military technology since 1994.

Earlier, the Korean government delivered 12 PK boats or high-speed surveillance patrol vessels, 10 PKM boats, three F-5/A aircraft, 16 buses for the Philippine Military Academy, parachutes, field telephones, Kevlar ballistic helmets, engineering equipment and ammunition and maintenance parts for the patrol boats.

Korean military officers, in return, are accommodated at the National Defense College and the AFP Command and General Staff Course, the educational institutions within Camp Aguinaldo in Quezon City.

“We have an existing memorandum of agreement on logistics and defense industry cooperation with Korea. It covers procurement, supply, maintenance and transportation,” Zamudio said.

The Air Force had only eight Cessna planes before the turnover.

Learning to fly a Cessna is a prerequisite to flying more complicated aircraft such as the SF-260, OV10 and other fighter jets. Jaime Pilapil

chris_nigel

March 7th, 2009, 03:19 PM

ok na yan at least may nagbigay d b...hope to see soon that we have our own fighting jets

jpdm

March 7th, 2009, 09:21 PM

demented_pigeon

March 8th, 2009, 12:56 AM

Ecija

March 8th, 2009, 01:01 AM

Tama si Sec. Teodoro mas kailangan natin sa ngayon ng helicopters, na mgagamit natin sa combat operation at sa search ang rescue operation ng ating coast guard sa panahon ng kalamidad.

mwg12a

March 8th, 2009, 07:45 AM

Are there pictures of those new jets for PAF? would love to see some of it... I mean I think there was a picture or two for it but I don't see it coming up.

jvl

March 8th, 2009, 08:20 AM

kawawa talaga tayo

I second the motion.

Puwede na. basta maintenance lang.

Well-known naman Cessna. madali piyesa.

Keysa Russian or Israeli planes.

But i love those Sukhoi, Mig and Mi aircrafts...

ok na yan at least may nagbigay d b...hope to see soon that we have our own fighting jets

Nice to see you guys change your outlook. I hope everyone here would try to look further and beyond before throwing an invalid opinion. Quality opinions (be it anti- or pro-) is what we need in these forums. RP Airforce will accept whatever equipment given to them, and will do their best to utilise it. "Others" dont mind and dont care at all! And they are mostly the first ones to cry foul when the Airforce cannot fulfill their duty.

jvl

March 8th, 2009, 08:25 AM

bitoy

March 8th, 2009, 08:46 AM

Well by RP military standards, F16s are quite sophisticated, and they are actually jets and not aircraft.

Even Dassault and Grippens are modern, please clarify your point.

Isn't the F-16 an aircraft also? :) So as those jet driven Helicopters.

gen1

March 8th, 2009, 09:14 AM

^^
ikaw naman, pinatulan mo pa :D

marxman

March 8th, 2009, 09:30 AM

saying that we dont need those air assets is bullshit. (i bet ill be banned again for this! hehe!)

even singapore which is a freakin small country! has so many fucking f-16's and f-15's! and they dont even have an insurgency!

well their leaders must be so fucked up and bullshit for buying those sophisticated air assets. which they dont need right? hehe!

do the maths!

Excuses!!! hey!!!

if only excuses can be used to bomb those mother fucking rebels in mindanao. then we've won half of the war a long time ago.

jvl

March 8th, 2009, 09:35 AM

Isn't the F-16 an aircraft also? :) So as those jet driven Helicopters.

^^
ikaw naman, pinatulan mo pa :D

Sorry stand corrected --- what I meant there was no ordinary aircraft :)

Maintenance of high value jets (no ordinary aircraft) is quite not in the AFPs budget at this point in time.

jvl

March 8th, 2009, 09:38 AM

marxman

March 8th, 2009, 09:52 AM

How about those UAVs mainly to be employed for insurgency operation?

are those even ours?

jvl

March 8th, 2009, 09:55 AM

^Not sure, but AFP can either lease or buy some to finally finish-off their mission against insurgency

marxman

March 8th, 2009, 10:01 AM

one of the purpose of possessing sophisticated fighter jets is deterrence. usually if you have those assets rebels would think twice.

our generals and civilian leaders just dont get it.

i bet we have more airforce generals than air planes! hehe!

jvl

March 8th, 2009, 10:07 AM

^AFP craves, but civilian leaders not!

Some countries considered with powerful military, but struggling civilian population are India and N. Korea......

RP civilian leaders think money is better invested in other stuff aside from AFP.

jpdm

March 8th, 2009, 10:57 AM

Well by RP military standards, F16s are quite sophisticated, and they are actually jets and not aircraft.

Even Dassault and Grippens are modern, please clarify your point.

F-16s not aircrafts? So how do you call them?

You said jets? So jets like F-16 are not aircrafts?

Maybe you have to clarify your point.

Anyway, I also hope instead of buying Simba the AFP should try the Philippine developed versions to cut cost, but still well-equipped.

For me, even the F-4 phantoms will suffice.

And some helicopter gunships.

I dont mind if the whole old inventory of OV-10s will be donated by others countries.

Including the remaining (working) F-5 and Hueys.

As long as they can be refurbished.

jvl

March 8th, 2009, 11:06 AM

^Sorry comrade, got myself corrected already.

Sorry stand corrected --- what I meant there was no ordinary aircraft :)

Maintenance of high value jets (no ordinary aircraft) is quite not in the AFPs budget at this point in time.

renell

March 8th, 2009, 11:15 AM

jvl

March 8th, 2009, 11:18 AM

^Government was planning to acquire night capable helos for the job.

jpdm

March 8th, 2009, 11:27 AM

Where are those Israeli Kfirs for sale?

Or the remaining F-5 A/B from Taiwan?

jvl

March 8th, 2009, 11:41 AM

The Kfir deal was never heard of again.

Taiwan deal? "One China" policy "half-killed" it. The other "half" was because it might be used against the Chinese/Taiwanese at Spratlys.

Best for now is to keep/maintain AFP pilots capability to fly. Then AFP can proceed with the next modernisation stage as more funds come.

There was also a rumor or theory that the civilian government dont want to buy sophisticated equipment for AFP because this could be used against them through a military take-over.

jpdm

March 8th, 2009, 12:19 PM

I love to see the Philippine Army having those mobile missile launchers.

higen

March 9th, 2009, 02:41 AM

Maybe the PAF can find local contractors to build Pinoy-made OV-10s. It's perfect for counter-insurgency, and it seems to be easily maintained, unlike the S210s.

The F16 has long been a dream of the AFP, and Filipino military enthusiasts. The problem is whatever the cost of acquiring them, there's also the issue of fuel and maintenance, and given the history of crashing F5s and S210s, it doesn't inspire confidence.

Speaking COIN aircraft for the PAF. The Brazilian made Tucano or Super Tucano is worth considering. Maybe we can even strike a deal to assemble it locally.

I dont think the PAF needs Fighter Jets right now. We have no imminent external threat at the moment. I think 2011 is when the PAF is planning to purchase Jets. That sounds logical and practicall enough. I also read during the 90's when the "modernization" was publicized that they plan to buy 36 interim fighters, 36 figthers for our territory sounds good enough. If I were to choose an aircraft for the PAF I'd choose F-16 or F-18. The latter would be my preference between the two because it requires less man hours for maitainance that the former, if my facts are not mistakened.

higen

March 9th, 2009, 03:04 AM

The Philippines dont need sophisticated fighter planes unless we want to retake Sabah by force from malaysia.

If not, what we need are aircrafts that can intercept foreign poachers in our seas. Capable of launching air to surface (ground misssiles) and blow pirates and poachers and the Abu Sayaff to kingdom come.

^^I dont think WAr over Sabah is a good idea. Using these jets on poachers and pirates, definitely.

i prefer we do buy sophisticatd fighter aircrafts and naval crafts and test these on pirates in international waters.
:lol: Im all for it. Or use it on pirates within our waters would be good too.

saying that we dont need those air assets is bullshit. (i bet ill be banned again for this! hehe!)

even singapore which is a freakin small country! has so many fucking f-16's and f-15's! and they dont even have an insurgency!
.

It's not a question of wether we need them or not, of course we do. However we do not need it right now.

I dont think quelling insurgency was in their mind when they purchased those jets. Singapore, a small country needs a strong airforce to destroy any invading army from the sea, air or land via Malaysia (the best time to destroy an army is when it's in transit). And it's precisely because they are strong militarily that no one tries to bully them.

venntro

March 9th, 2009, 03:23 AM

Defense chief says limited budget hampering AFP modernization (http://http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=446944&publicationSubCategoryId=63)
Updated March 09, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Defense Secretary Gilberto Teodoro Jr. believes that the P5 billion allotted yearly for modernizing the Armed Forces is not enough to buy fighter planes and attack helicopters for the nation’s defense.

Speaking to The STAR, Teodoro said a top-of-the-line attack helicopter costs around $83 million, which is already about P3.7 billion in the current exchange rate.

“The modernization plan of the AFP is quite slow admittedly because of the fact that we are only setting aside P5 billion a year which is in defense terms nothing,” he said.

Teodoro said the AFP needs helicopters and cargo planes, especially since the Air Force only has one operational C-130 cargo plane after the other one crashed off Davao City last year.

Another C-130 is expected back on flight in about two months after undergoing rehabilitation, Teodoro said.

In the first years of its modernization program, the AFP acquired machine guns, communications equipment and military vehicles.

Teodoro’s predecessor, Avelino Cruz faced the same problem.

Cruz had asked the government for funds to purchase “mission essential” equipment to enable the military to perform its functions effectively, particularly in Mindanao.

Cruz said when he was defense secretary, it was estimated that the AFP needed about 5,000 trucks, some medium lift vessels for the Navy, and about 12,000 handheld radios.

In 2007, the military acquired 600 new troop carriers and more than 2,000 units of squad automatic weapons, he added.

Cruz said that the government must ensure that P10 billion yearly for the AFP’s Capability Upgrade Program must be spent for military vehicles, weapons and communication equipment for troops in the frontlines.

What is needed is the actual release of funds for the project to raise the material readiness level of the military from a low of 45 percent to 70 percent, he added.

These include night-fighting equipment, squad automatic weapons, 6,000 units of which are expected to be delivered within six months, and bullet proof vests to improve the fighting capability of troops, and to minimize casualties in the field. – James Mananghaya

venntro

March 9th, 2009, 03:24 AM

No talks yet on next AFP chief - Bangit (http://http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=446943&publicationSubCategoryId=63)
By James Mananghaya Updated March 09, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Newly confirmed Lt. Gen. Delfin Bangit, chief of the military’s Southern Luzon Command, downplayed yesterday reports suggesting that he is being groomed to be the next Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) chief.

Bangit, who is rumored to be a strong contender to succeed AFP chief Gen. Alexander Yano who is set to retire in June, said the next military chief would be selected in consideration of the benefit of the organization in particular and the country in general.

“There are no talks over who would be the next AFP chief so I cannot comment over those issues because it would be unfair to all those concerned if I give any categorical response,” he said.

AFP spokesman Lt. Col. Ernesto Torres earlier said the performance of the duties of each candidate is not affected by rumors concerning the appointment of officers to key positions in the organization.

Bangit served as chief of the Presidential Security Group (PSG) and an adopted classmate of President Arroyo in Philippine Military Academy (PMA) Class of 1978.

Torres said soldiers like Bangit have reached the highest level of professional maturity that enables them to set aside their personal views and respect the decisions of their superiors.

Defense Secretary Gilberto Teodoro said the President would have a free hand in choosing the next AFP chief, amid talks that Bangit, her former security chief, would replace Yano in June.

Teodoro said Mrs. Arroyo would still have the prerogative to choose the next AFP chief.

The promotion and appointment of Bangit triggered talks suggesting that he is poised to bypass other senior officers as the next AFP chief of staff.

But there were others who said there is nothing irregular since all lieutenant generals like Bangit are qualified for the post.

Teodoro said that as of this time, there are no discussions as to who would replace Yano when he retires from the military service.

There are more senior officers holding key positions in the AFP who are also qualified for the post, including AFP deputy chief Lt. Gen. Rodrigo Maclang, Army chief Lt. Gen. Victor Ibrado, Air Force chief Lt. Gen. Oscar Rabena, Navy chief Vice Adm. Ferdinand Golez, and Lt. Gen. Jaime Buenaflor, chief of the AFP National Development Support Command.

gen1

March 9th, 2009, 03:34 AM

^^I dont think WAr over Sabah is a good idea. Using these jets on poachers and pirates, definitely.

:lol: Im all for it. Or use it on pirates within our waters would be good too.

It's not a question of wether we need them or not, of course we do. However we do not need it right now.

I dont think quelling insurgency was in their mind when they purchased those jets. Singapore, a small country needs a strong airforce to destroy any invading army from the sea, air or land via Malaysia (the best time to destroy an army is when it's in transit). And it's precisely because they are strong militarily that no one tries to bully them.

Mr. H. try to ignore the troll/wannabe-soldier. His posts are rants and provides little to advance the discussions here.

But to add to your observations about singaporean defense, we need to realize that singapore is a trading post and needs to have sea and air lanes clear and secure.

A naval blockade will kill off singapore quite quickly, hence their very capable air force and navy.

Furthermore, pound-for-pound airforces are the most expensive armaments. Only the prosperous nations can afford a capable air force. Bulk of our military's budget go to salaries and ordnance purchases.

higen

March 9th, 2009, 03:53 AM

Mr. H. try to ignore the troll/wannabe-soldier. His posts are rants and provides little to advance the discussions here.

But to add to your observations about singaporean defense, we need to realize that singapore is a trading post and needs to have sea and air lanes clear and secure.

A naval blockade will kill off singapore quite quickly, hence their very capable air force and navy.

Furthermore, pound-for-pound airforces are the most expensive armaments. Only the prosperous nations can afford a capable air force. Bulk of our military's budget go to salaries and ordnance purchases.

Couldnt agree with this more...

Lucentino

March 9th, 2009, 07:51 PM

Bulk of our military's budget go to salaries and ordnance purchases.

True.

By the way, how about this show of force by China:

U.S. says Chinese vessels harassed Navy ship (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090309/pl_nm/us_usa_china_navy)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Five Chinese ships including a naval vessel harassed an unarmed U.S. Navy ocean surveillance ship in international waters in the South China Sea Sunday, the Pentagon said.

The incident prompted the U.S. embassy in Beijing to lodge a weekend protest with the Chinese government, State Department spokesman Robert Wood said.

U.S. defense officials Monday reiterated the protest to China's defense attache in Washington, an official said.

The Chinese vessels "shadowed and aggressively maneuvered in dangerously close proximity" to the USNS Impeccable and its crew of civilian contractors, with one ship coming within 25 feet, a Defense Department statement said.

It said the American ship was conducting routine operations 75 miles south of Hainan Island.

"The unprofessional maneuvers by Chinese vessels violated the requirement under international law to operate with due regard for the rights and safety of other lawful users of the ocean," Pentagon spokesman Marine Corps Major Stewart Upton said in a statement.

"We expect Chinese ships to act responsibly and refrain from provocative activities that could lead to miscalculation or a collision at sea."

The encounter was the latest incident of "increasingly aggressive" Chinese conduct in the area, which in recent days also included fly-bys of U.S. Navy ships by Chinese maritime surveillance aircraft, the Pentagon said.

The Pentagon identified the Chinese vessels in Sunday's incident as a navy intelligence ship, a bureau of maritime fisheries patrol vessel, a state oceanographic administration patrol vessel and two small Chinese-flagged trawlers.

The Impeccable is one of six Navy surveillance ships that gather underwater acoustical data while operating as part of the U.S. Military Sealift Command, the Pentagon said.

The Chinese vessels surrounded the Impeccable while two closed to within 50 feet, waving Chinese flags and telling the U.S. ship to leave the area, the Defense Department said.

The Impeccable responded by spraying one of the vessels with fire hoses and later informed the Chinese ships by radio that it was leaving the area and requested a safe path to navigate, it said.

Two of the Chinese vessels stopped directly in front of the U.S. ship and dropped pieces of wood in its path.

The Pentagon described accounts of half a dozen other incidents dating back to March 4, in which the Impeccable and its sister vessel USNS Victorious were subjected to aggressive behavior, including dozens of fly-bys by Chinese Y-12 maritime surveillance aircraft.

On March 7, a Chinese intelligence collection ship challenged the Impeccable over the radio, calling her operations illegal and directing the vessel to leave the area or "suffer the consequences," the Pentagon said.

Two days earlier, a Chinese frigate approached the Impeccable and crossed its bow twice, once at a range of 100 feet.

(Additional reporting by Andrew Gray and Paul Eckert; Editing by Paul Simao)

lochinvar

March 10th, 2009, 05:20 AM

"Furthermore, pound-for-pound airforces are the most expensive armaments. Only the prosperous nations can afford a capable air force. Bulk of our military's budget go to salaries and ordnance purchases."

Russia has one of the most advanced jet aircrafts in the world. Yet its planes couldn't tackle the heat of the hand-held missiles. It had to go out of Afghanistan. Israel also had problems during the October War (Yom Kippur War).

Sana ito ang pinaghahandaan ng Pilipinas sa halip na mahal na jet fighter.

gen1

March 10th, 2009, 07:15 AM

Just to expound a bit regarding the performance of the Israeli Air force during the yom kippur war.

The israelis around that time believed that pilot skill alone could overcome ground to air missles. Countermeasures were expensive, but israeli pilots are some of the worlds best. the IAF was proven wrong in yom kippur, and after that war instituted changes.

In the their next major war, in lebanon, the effectiveness of ground to air missles was greatly reduced as the IAF had adjusted. the IAF reigned supreme in that war.

Like in tank warfare where the best anti-tank weapon is another tank, in the air the best anti-aircraft weapon is still another aircraft.

In view of fiscal contraints though, the AFP prioritizes. Fighter aircraft is not high on that list with the type of war we are engaged in. NCAHs are needed more.

In addition handhelds need an extremely lucky shot to down fighters/fighter bombers. modern military aircraft are very robust and the couple of pounds of high explosive packed in stingers is simply not enough to down jets. they are useful though for attacking helos.

jpdm

March 10th, 2009, 10:59 AM

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/taiwan/images/idf-aidc.jpg

How about this?:)

Taiwan produced the Ching-kuo Indigenous Defense Fighter with extensive assistance by American corporations, led by General Dynamics.

The twin-engine IDF is similar to the F-16 except that it is slightly smaller and has a slightly shorter range. The IDF is a hybrid as far as its external appearance is concerned. The nose of the fighter jet is a replica of the F-20A Tigershark, while ts body, wings, and vertical tail surface are apparently lifted from the F-16, and the shape of its cockpit hood and vertical tail wing and its girth near the engine inlets have a notable French flavor.The IDF is superior to the F-5E in airborne performance. The IDF accelerates better than the F-104 and its turning radius is smaller than that of the F-5.

jpdm

March 10th, 2009, 11:04 AM

eto na lang kaya...

http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/fighter/images/j10_01.jpg

Jian-10 Multirole Fighter Aircraft

The initial batch of 80~100 examples in both the single-seat variant and two-seater variant ( J-10S) were delivered to the PLAAF between 2004 and 2006. It was estimated that a total of 300 aircraft may be required by the PLAAF and PLA Navy. A number of countries including Pakistan, Iran, and Thailand have also shown strong interest in the aircraft.

Arciga_01

March 10th, 2009, 11:09 AM

Meh, wag na kayong umasa na titino pa ang army natin. Masasayang lang ang pahihintay nyo...

Walang kwenta ang army natin at un mga "Generals" ay mga bayarang ewan lang...

gen1

March 10th, 2009, 11:18 AM

Bata, huwag mo lalahatin ang sundalo natin.

marxman

March 10th, 2009, 01:35 PM

i guess thats the reason why were easily bullied by other nations. our country has vast territory that needs to be protected.

for me i think we need a respectable airforce to protect us from aggressors and so other countries will respect us.

the main reason we dont have those sophisticated air assets is that our budget are mishandled by those our generals and civilian leaders.

lochinvar

March 10th, 2009, 04:46 PM

"The israelis around that time believed that pilot skill alone could overcome ground to air missles. Countermeasures were expensive, but israeli pilots are some of the worlds best. the IAF was proven wrong in yom kippur, and after that war instituted changes.

In the their next major war, in lebanon, the effectiveness of ground to air missles was greatly reduced as the IAF had adjusted. the IAF reigned supreme in that war."

GROUND TO AIR missiles can be countered since they are computer based. I am talking about HAND-HELD missiles that Egyptian soldiers and mujaheedin use. And they are very small target to find.

Arciga_01

March 10th, 2009, 10:11 PM

Bata, huwag mo lalahatin ang sundalo natin.

Wala naman akong sinabing masama sa mga sundalo natin ha? Hay pinoy nga naman, sobrang defensive pag natira kahit katiting na "negative" word...:|

manila_eye

March 10th, 2009, 11:41 PM

pag-igihin ang navy natin!!!

gen1

March 11th, 2009, 02:04 AM

Meh, wag na kayong umasa na titino pa ang army natin. Masasayang lang ang pahihintay nyo...

Walang kwenta ang army natin at un mga "Generals" ay mga bayarang ewan lang...

Wala naman akong sinabing masama sa mga sundalo natin ha? Hay pinoy nga naman, sobrang defensive pag natira kahit katiting na "negative" word...:|

This is the philippine defense forces thread. Back up your statements or keep your unsubstantiated and careless opinions to yourself ! ! !

Last year the army took delivery of 600 6x6 trucks and 2,000 saws -significantly improving the capabilities of our troops. the NCAH awarding was aborted last year because of suspicions of bid rigging.

So ano iyong sinasabi mo na "walang kwenta ang army" natin ?

WTF, no need to answer that. you're clueless when it comes to philippine defense issues and should likewise be ignored.

venntro

March 11th, 2009, 04:01 AM

AFP denies involvement in murder of rebel leader's daughter (http://http://www.gmanews.tv/story/152167/AFP-denies-involvement-in-murder-of-rebel-leaders-daughter)
03/10/2009 | 10:43 PM

MANILA, Philippines - The military on Tuesday denied it has something to do with last week’s abduction and subsequent murder of a communist leader’s 20-year-old daughter in southern Philippines.

Armed Forces Civil Relations Service chief Brig. Gen. Gaudencio Pangilinan said the victims of the atrocities committed by New People’s Army (NPA) leader Leoncio Pitao alias Kumander Parago could be behind the murder of Rebelyn Pitao.

“There are a thousand and one groups that are angry at Parago,” Pangilinan said.

Parago is the head of the NPA’s Pulang Bagani Command.

Unidentified men snatched Rebelyn, a teacher, last Wednesday in Davao City. Her body was found the next day in Carmen town in Davao del Norte with multiple stab wounds.

Leftist organizations have blamed the military for the incident. Pitao himself has named at least four suspects in his daughter’s murder. They were Sgt. Adan Sulao and, Cpl. Alvin Bitang, both military men based in the region; and military assets Ben Tipait and one identified only as Pedragosa.

Pangilinan said among the atrocities committed by Pitao’s unit were murder and the destruction of private properties including plantations and construction firms.

“There are scores of people they’ve killed so we are not the only party who should be blamed for that” Pangilinan said.

Pitao’s group was also responsible for the kidnapping of Army Brig. Gen. Victor Obillo and his aide, Maj. Eduardo Montealto, in February 1999 in Baguio City. The two were released weeks later upon negotiations by non-government organizations. - GMANews.TV

chris_nigel

March 11th, 2009, 08:13 AM

not to make the issue hot..well ako pag may katabing sundalo sa tren o kung saan man ako magpunta i feel very proud of them:okay::okay::okay::okay: kasi i always think that being in the armed forces is a noble task..kasi bayan ang pinagsisilbihan nila d tulad nating private citizen sarili muna bago bayan...

Go for AFP MODERNIZATION PROGRAM:):)

bitoy

March 11th, 2009, 08:14 AM

Bidding for attack helicopters fails anew - DND chief (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=447527&publicationSubCategoryId=63)

MANILA, Philippines - The bidding for the military’s night attack helicopters failed for the second time due to the increase in aircraft cost, Defense Secretary Gilbert Teodoro said.

Following the failure of the procurement process, Teodoro said they are considering the purchase of second-hand helicopters with the same night capability to provide the Air Force with the same number of units it needs for its operations.

“If the President approves it, we could buy second-hand helicopters instead of new ones with the P3.2 billion that we have for that,” he said.

The first bidding was nullified after the investigating panel formed to oversee the procurement process uncovered irregularities.

Several defense officials are now facing graft and falsification charges before the Ombudsman over the scrapped bidding.

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Siguro naman makakabili ng 5 used AH-64 Apache sa budget na yan, unless walang magtiwala sa Pinas sa bayaran.

http://static.flickr.com/83/234039798_57da4f07b1.jpg

gen1

March 11th, 2009, 08:26 AM

^^ just to clarify bro the bid that failed is for the attack helos (which has a 3.2B budget) and it is the first bidding failure.

the one for the NCAH which is an entirely different requisition was cancelled because of irregularities. it had a budget of 1.2B

I was corrected on this at the other forum :D

bitoy

March 11th, 2009, 09:14 AM

^^ And with the progressive graft and corruption going on, that budget might even disappeared and we would be left with a sarangola ni pepe with night flying capabilities and webcam. :lol:

venntro

March 11th, 2009, 09:48 AM

Soldiers in Cagayan wary over gay recruitment (http://http://www.gmanews.tv/story/152255/Soldiers-in-Cagayan-wary-over-gay-recruitment)
FLORO TAGUINOD, GMANews.TV
03/11/2009 | 03:10 PM

TUGUEGARAO, Philippines – Army officials from this northern province are not sure how gay people can equally perform the job of enlisted personnel who are already serving in the military.

In an interview, Col. Remegio de Vera, commanding officer of the Army’s 501st Infantry Brigade (IB) in Cagayan, said that if he will have his way, he would prefer to stick to the traditional military recruitment of straight men and women.

“I don’t have anything against gay people but I am still in the dark, I cannot imagine how they will perform and discharge their duties once they are accepted in the military," he said.

De Vera was reacting to the statement of Philippine Army spokesman Lt. Col. Romeo Brawner Jr. that the Army has opened its gates to gay people.

In a recent television interview, Brawner said the Army welcomes everybody who wants be in the service including gay people.

“There will be no discrimination as long as the applicant is physically, emotionally and mentally fit. We will be happy to work and even go to war with them," Brawner said.

The military is traditionally a male-dominated organization up until the US and other European countries, in recent years, have started accepting gay and bi-sexuals in their armed forces.

In the Philippines, the decision which emanated from the military top brass has created a stir among some soldiers and “gay hate" groups who still regard “machismo" as the main requirement to be able to enter the military service.

An Army sergeant from Camp Melchor dela Cruz in Gamu, Isabela — who declined to be named — said he and other troopers will welcome the recruits with open arms but are also worried how gay people can handle life in a war zone.

“In combat, we put our lives in the hands of other soldiers. I don’t want to judge their worth but I can’t help but wonder how we can rely on gays, baka alagaan lang namin sila sa halip na makipaglaban sa kaaway," he said.

(Instead of fighting the enemy, we might turn out to be their baby-sitters)

At least 3,900 recruits from the 6,700 required by the Armed Forces of the Philippinesd (AFP) this year are needed by the Army. - GMANews.TV

chris_nigel

March 11th, 2009, 01:40 PM

baka daw tumakbo si Sec. defense sa paka presidente..well ok naman sya kaso mahina pa sa survey

Arciga_01

March 11th, 2009, 01:55 PM

This is the philippine defense forces thread. Back up your statements or keep your unsubstantiated and careless opinions to yourself ! ! !

Last year the army took delivery of 600 6x6 trucks and 2,000 saws -significantly improving the capabilities of our troops. the NCAH awarding was aborted last year because of suspicions of bid rigging.

So ano iyong sinasabi mo na "walang kwenta ang army" natin ?

WTF, no need to answer that. you're clueless when it comes to philippine defense issues and should likewise be ignored.

I'm proud of our soldiers. Kaso, Interms of equipment, talagang wala kwenta ang army natin.

About the deliveries, do you know how fricking old those 6x6 trucks delivered by the US to the the AFP? Vietnam era pa un eh.. at sigurado ako, un SAW MG na yan ay patapon na ng US Army yan kaya binigay sa atin...

Infact nga, sa sobrang ewan ng equipement ng army natin, Abu sayaff at iba pang rebels just laughs at it....Remember the old incident na nakunan ng GMA where halos hinde gumana un mortar nila?

Mas modern pa un gamit ng mga rebeldeng muslim kumapara sa inaamag na gamit ng AFP eh...they actually even have nightvision equipment!

Tangapin mo na, wala talagang kwenta ang army natin. Hinde nga natin masugpo ang mga rebelde in our HOMELAND eh..:|

Igsuonnimo

March 11th, 2009, 04:13 PM

Arciga:

Maganda yung ideya mo sa HOMELAND.
Pero maganda rin yung sa Korea na FATHERLAND.

Meron din ako sariling interpretasyon ng homeland. --Southeast Asia, Papua New Guinea, Australia, Taiwan plus southern provinces of China, and the rest of the globe kung saan saan man ang mga noypi. :okay:

spinoff ito ng ideya ng mga estudyante ni Huntington na "Mainstream East", ideological understanding na.

jpdm

March 11th, 2009, 04:35 PM

In fact nga, sa sobrang ewan ng equipement ng army natin, Abu sayaff at iba pang rebels just laughs at it....Remember the old incident na nakunan ng GMA where halos hinde gumana un mortar nila?

Mas modern pa un gamit ng mga rebeldeng muslim kumapara sa inaamag na gamit ng AFP eh...they actually even have nightvision equipment!

Hmmm, kaya pala pag binanatan sila ng marines tumba at patakbo takbo sila. Gumagamit pa ng human shileds.:bash::bash:

Thats why these bandits and some rogue rebels are resorting to kidnappings to buy new arms or have to ask for help fom double crossing Malaysia to get arms (Malaysia loves to see Mindanao in flames so that the Philippines will stop claiming Sabah.)

Despite the modern weapons of these rebels, they are no match to our troops.

Our soldiers are the best.

jvl

March 11th, 2009, 05:09 PM

Arciga_01

March 11th, 2009, 05:55 PM

The final blow sa army natin ay when the US Army left Clark.

gen1

March 11th, 2009, 06:11 PM

I'm proud of our soldiers. Kaso, Interms of equipment, talagang wala kwenta ang army natin.

About the deliveries, do you know how fricking old those 6x6 trucks delivered by the US to the the AFP? Vietnam era pa un eh.. at sigurado ako, un SAW MG na yan ay patapon na ng US Army yan kaya binigay sa atin...
Infact nga, sa sobrang ewan ng equipement ng army natin, Abu sayaff at iba pang rebels just laughs at it....Remember the old incident na nakunan ng GMA where halos hinde gumana un mortar nila?

Mas modern pa un gamit ng mga rebeldeng muslim kumapara sa inaamag na gamit ng AFP eh...they actually even have nightvision equipment!

Tangapin mo na, wala talagang kwenta ang army natin. Hinde nga natin masugpo ang mga rebelde in our HOMELAND eh..:|

Where do you get your info about the the AFP, ha ? Kay Tita Swarding ?

Mintis lahat ang sinasabi mo. :nuts:

The saws are brand new Daewoo K3s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daewoo_K3

The trucks are brand new KIA KM450 AWD trucks
http://www.angelfire.com/nb2/jeeppickups/Kia.html
http://www.dnd.gov.ph/DNDWEBPAGE_files/dndbac/SAPUDNDBAC.pdf

You're like the village idiot jabbering about things you know little of and pretending to be someone he's not.

Kung merong walang kwenta dito, hindi ang sandatahang lakas natin iyon :bash:

gen1

March 11th, 2009, 06:18 PM

The final blow sa army natin ay when the US Army left Clark.

The US Army was not based in Clark. :ohno:

It was the US 13th Air Force that was based there. kaya nga Clark Air Base ang tawag duon.

and to advance your education it was the Seventh Fleet that was based at Subic.

You do know the difference between an army and an airforce, don't you ?

huwag na kasing mag dunong-dunongan :lol:

chris_nigel

March 12th, 2009, 02:04 AM

well d best pa rin ang soldiers natin kaysa sa iba

kung walang mga modern na gamit yung mga kano d talo sila sa atin kaso d ganun ang laban eh kaya magaling sila pero let history tell us na nung vietnam war eh d din umubra mga kano pano d sila sanay sa ganun terrain..

RESPECT ng lang the institusyon pag nagkagulo ba sino pa ba aasahan natin d sila din kaya wag mo naman sabihin na walang kwenta army dahil kahit ganun they 're doing their best to preserve the peace in our MOTHERLAND

venntro

March 12th, 2009, 05:39 AM

Aurora native PMA class of 2009 topnotcher (http://http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/03/11/09/aurora-native-pma-class-2009-topnocher)
abs-cbnNEWS.com | 03/12/2009 12:04 AM

A native of Aurora has edged out 183 other cadets of the Philippine Military Academy (PMA) Masiglahi Class of 2009 to claim the class's top spot, the PMA announced Wednesday.

Aurora native 1st Class Cadet Karl Winston Cacanindin led the graduating class's top ten cadets, who were formally introduced to the media in a press conference at the PMA on Wednesday.

Cacanindin, who will graduate Magna Cum Laude and will soon join the Philippine Air Force, said he is very thankful for having the honor of being the class topnocher.

Cacanindin, the son of a former PMA official, will also receive the Presidential Saber, the Athletic Saber, President Gloria M. Arroyo Achievement Award for Academic Excellence, and the Mathematics plaque.

He said that his achievement was brought by hard work, a sentiment echoed by his fellow top ten cadets.

He is followed by 1st Class Cadet Lemuel Manicdo, Philippine Army; 1st Class Cadet Roger Flores, Philippine Navy; 1st Class Cadet Nelson Liwanag, Philippine Navy; 1st Class Cadet Larry Mayao, Philippine Army; 1st Class Cadet Erick Ryan Mabborang, Philippine Army; 1st Class Cadet Carlito Santiago, Philippine Army; 1st Class Cadet Glenn de Ramos, Philippine Army; 1st Class Cadette Cynthia Forteza, Philippine Airforce; and 1st Class Cadet Christopher Ian Dupalco, Philippine Airforce.

The PMA graduation rites will be held on March 16, where President Arroyo will be guest of honor. With reports from Dhobie de Guzman and Kristine Addatu, ABS-CBN Baguio

marxman

March 12th, 2009, 06:45 AM

a smart ass still doesnt change the fact the we have a lousy military.

gen1

March 12th, 2009, 07:02 AM

neither would a flunky improve the corps :D

higen

March 12th, 2009, 08:18 AM

Mr G,

Thanks for posting informative articles and writing material that tell the "REAL FACTS" about the National Defense. It's nice to know that I can read contents in this particular thread that actually make sense.:okay:

I did qoute some of your replies and if you could indulge my curiosity and answer the question I possed on my 2nd qoute.

This is the philippine defense forces thread. Back up your statements or keep your unsubstantiated and careless opinions to yourself ! ! !

Last year the army took delivery of 600 6x6 trucks and 2,000 saws -significantly improving the capabilities of our troops. the NCAH awarding was aborted last year because of suspicions of bid rigging.

So ano iyong sinasabi mo na "walang kwenta ang army" natin ?

WTF, no need to answer that. you're clueless when it comes to philippine defense issues and should likewise be ignored.

:okay: Kaching!

^^ just to clarify bro the bid that failed is for the attack helos (which has a 3.2B budget) and it is the first bidding failure.

the one for the NCAH which is an entirely different requisition was cancelled because of irregularities. it had a budget of 1.2B

I was corrected on this at the other forum :D

Astig...so If i understood you correctly...were buying Attack helos apart from aquiring Night Capable attack helos? Would we have any figures of how many would be procured for both purchases?

Where do you get your info about the the AFP, ha ? Kay Tita Swarding ?

Mintis lahat ang sinasabi mo. :nuts:

The saws are brand new Daewoo K3s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daewoo_K3

The trucks are brand new KIA KM450 AWD trucks
http://www.angelfire.com/nb2/jeeppickups/Kia.html
http://www.dnd.gov.ph/DNDWEBPAGE_files/dndbac/SAPUDNDBAC.pdf

You're like the village idiot jabbering about things you know little of and pretending to be someone he's not.

Kung merong walang kwenta dito, hindi ang sandatahang lakas natin iyon :bash:

:lol::lol::rofl:

The US Army was not based in Clark. :ohno:

It was the US 13th Air Force that was based there. kaya nga Clark Air Base ang tawag duon.

and to advance your education it was the Seventh Fleet that was based at Subic.

You do know the difference between an army and an airforce, don't you ?

huwag na kasing mag dunong-dunongan :lol:

:lol: Touche again:lol:...I thought it was a common knowledge...hindi pala :lol:

neither would a flunky improve the corps :D
:lol: stop it already :rofl:

Arciga_01

March 12th, 2009, 01:06 PM

well d best pa rin ang soldiers natin kaysa sa iba

kung walang mga modern na gamit yung mga kano d talo sila sa atin kaso d ganun ang laban eh kaya magaling sila [B]pero let history tell us na nung vietnam war eh d din umubra mga kano pano d sila sanay sa ganun terrain..

Then, bakit tayo natalo sa Philippine-American war? Tapos, Bakit na reclaim ng kano ang pilipinas mula sa mga hapon nung world war 2? :naughty:

Kahit ano gawin mo, talo parin tayo kahit ba walang modern equipment ang mga kano eh....Meron ba tayong navy? Diba Naghihingalo? Airforce? Naghihingalo na din...Last, Steady ba un supply ng ammunation natin? diba hinde?

Masyado mo namang minamaliit ang kakayahan ng US Army, Mas marami silang man power at factories para gumawa ng mga kagamitan nila...Habang tayo, kakarampot :|

a smart ass still doesnt change the fact the we have a lousy military.

Atleast someone somewhat agrees...gen1, kahit ano gawin mong paliwanag dyan, hinde natin maitatago na sobrang walang kwenta ang buong army natin sa buong SEA Region. Infact nga, ang PAF at AFP ay umamin na at binalita pa nga ito dati eh..

bitoy

March 12th, 2009, 07:05 PM

^^ kaya gigilingin ka dito sa forum, dahil sa mga pinagsasabi mo... :lol:

Arciga_01

March 12th, 2009, 11:10 PM

Wala akong paki :naughty: :lol:

bitoy

March 13th, 2009, 12:05 AM

Wala akong paki :naughty: :lol:

Good answer, :lol: no wonder they woud really chew you up here with your strange and immature thoughts that goes around you.
I'll let the others in here correct those statements of yours. :lol:

lochinvar

March 13th, 2009, 12:24 AM

This extremism is unwarranted. There must have been a middle ground.

For all the vaunted prowess of the Chinese military, they crossed Vietnam's border to teach their Viet brothers on the art of warfare. The teachers came home limping.

chris_nigel

March 13th, 2009, 02:46 AM

jpdm

March 13th, 2009, 02:58 AM

Arciga_01

March 13th, 2009, 03:02 AM

Hinde sila takot sa AFP, Mas takot sila sa mga PNP Personel eh.. In Short: PNP >>>>> AFP

jpdm

March 13th, 2009, 03:29 AM

Great Filipino soldiers!

They make us proud especially our soldiers from PMA!:cheers:

Ecija

March 13th, 2009, 04:05 AM

Maybe our armed forces is not the best, but our soldiers is one of the greatest.:)

peejay202

March 13th, 2009, 05:42 AM

Hello.. newbie in this thread.. I agree with Gen1.. His posts are congruent with facts and his opinions are realistic.. Di tulad ng iba diyan na puro lang batbat and nagmamarunong just for the sake na merong ibatbat...

I agree with Ecija... We may be the most ill-equiped armed forces in SEA, yet to equate that with the valor and nobility of our soldiers is least to say premature and futile.. Pero look at our neighboring countries (whom others try to compare to) - puro may civil unrest like in Thailand and Indonesia..

Philippines is the only country in SEA that is not yet in the verge of economic recession because we know our PRIORITIES... There's no need for buying sophisticated and high-tech equipment for now since there is no eminent external threat.. That's why AFP is focusing on internal capability upgrade.. I salute Sec. Teodoro for being realistic.. There's a time for those high-tech equipment, but not for now..

Pls lang, konting RESPECT for our soldiers...

urban Iegend

March 13th, 2009, 06:16 AM

Hinde sila takot sa AFP, Mas takot sila sa mga PNP Personel eh.. In Short: PNP >>>>> AFP

wow alam na niya ang AFP! sa previous posts nya kasi puro Army lang alam :lol:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/Rparmy.gif + http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/01/PN_Seal.png + http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/PAF_Seal.png = http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/63/AFP_3D.png/200px-AFP_3D.png

kahapon pa ako naka tune-in sa thread na to :lol:

higen

March 13th, 2009, 06:18 AM

Hinde sila takot sa AFP, Mas takot sila sa mga PNP Personel eh.. In Short: PNP >>>>> AFP
:eek::doh::no::ohno:

Maybe our armed forces is not the best, but our soldiers is one of the greatest.:)

Concur...I have nothing but RESPECT for the common Pilipino Soldier. They obey and they fight with what very little they have.

chris_nigel

March 13th, 2009, 06:35 AM

wow alam na niya ang AFP! sa previous posts nya kasi puro Army lang alam :lol:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/Rparmy.gif + http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/01/PN_Seal.png + http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/PAF_Seal.png = http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/63/AFP_3D.png/200px-AFP_3D.png

kahapon pa ako naka tune-in sa thread na to :lol:

ganda naman tignan sense of patriotism lang naman kasi dapat meron tayo to appriciate kung ano meron sa AFP... tama kaya hindi pa tayo maxado naapektuhan ng recession eh matiisin kasi mga pinoy sanay sa hirap..hehehe pero i'm sure malalampasan natin to ... pwede din sa akin si Sec Teodoro as president

Go For AFP MODERNIZATION PROGRAM:):):)

lochinvar

March 13th, 2009, 07:35 AM

"Concur...I have nothing but RESPECT for the common Pilipino Soldier. They OBEY and they fight with what very little they have."

With once lone exception, a sergeant that killed a few officers at Ft. Bonifacio recently. :ohno:

axel(08)brixx

March 13th, 2009, 09:57 AM

Guyz ganito na lang:
Ihalintulad na lang natin sa ibang sangay ng gobyerno:
Kapag Corrupt ba ang isang Lider: Kurap na lahat ng members nya ..!?

Emagine guyz buhay ang tinataya ng mga sundalo natin ;)

yun kasi ang napili nilang propesyon sa buhay ..!! pero gaya ng ilang tao ...pareho lang natin sila bilang manggagawa ..!! nagkataong pa na mas mahirap ang trabaho nila kesa pangkaraniwan..!!

I remember nga ng maging emotional si Gen Cadungod eh kapag tinatawag na flying coffin ang mga aircraft ng PAF ..!! sa ganang akin lang ..un kasi ang truth pero wala silang magawa, kung meron man di madali un ma-achieve ...!!

They have to do their job no matter what ..!! kahit butas - butas ang kanilang mga sapatos/boots, kahit nakakatakot sumakay sa kanilang mga aircraft ..!! kahit malalakas ang armas ng kalaban kesa sa kanila .......!! Andyan pa rin sila ...!! dyan ako bilib sa mga sundalo natin ..!!

Maging specific na lang tau guyz ..wak un nilalahat natin ..!! or "GENE-GENERAL natin" ..getz

jrevalde

March 13th, 2009, 01:01 PM

just heard the new budget has passed, meron ba increase in spending for the AFP??

gen1

March 13th, 2009, 02:12 PM

Mr. H,

Yes there is a budget for both AH and NCAH in the CUP. The NCAH contract was cancelled due to bid irregularities. The recent AH bid was a failure. But at least the DND is husbanding the modernization funds.

Mr. L,

They suspect the sgt in the Fort Bonifacio incident was suffering from some sort of post traumatic stress syndrome.

It is interesting to note that we have some of the oldest EPs. The averege age of the enlisted personnel is our armed forces is in the mid 30's.

This is a dual edged sword - this means we have very experienced veteran noncoms and EPs. But it also means the company grade officers commanding them are younger than them. Resentment by the older EPs/noncoms sometimes lead to tragic results.

Lucentino

March 13th, 2009, 04:50 PM

The 1.4T National Budget for Fiscal yr. 2009 has been signed (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/152599/President-Arroyo-signs-into-law-P14-T-budget-for-2009). Unless it was a typo error, Dept. of National Defense got the 2nd highest allocation at PHP56.5B.

urban Iegend

March 13th, 2009, 05:23 PM

^^ it's not..

Second to the DepEd is the Department of Public Works and Highways whose 2009 budget of P130 billion is 37 percent, or P35.2 billion, higher than its 2008 appropriation of P94.7 billion.

Third is the Department of the Interior and Local Government, which includes the Philippine National Police, with a budget of P63 billion, up by P9.6 billion from its last year’s allocation.

The seven other agencies in the top 10 recipients are:

• National Defense - P56.5 billion

Lucentino

March 13th, 2009, 05:56 PM

^Right!:okay:... For sure, most of the money will go to Salaries and Operational Expenses. Only "some" will go to Capability Upgrade.

Arciga_01

March 13th, 2009, 06:20 PM

and 50% of that budget ay sa mga bulsa lang :naughty:

Askal82

March 13th, 2009, 06:54 PM

True.

By the way, how about this show of force by China:

U.S. says Chinese vessels harassed Navy ship (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090309/pl_nm/us_usa_china_navy)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Five Chinese ships including a naval vessel harassed an unarmed U.S. Navy ocean surveillance ship in international waters in the South China Sea Sunday, the Pentagon said.

The incident prompted the U.S. embassy in Beijing to lodge a weekend protest with the Chinese government, State Department spokesman Robert Wood said.

U.S. defense officials Monday reiterated the protest to China's defense attache in Washington, an official said.

The Chinese vessels "shadowed and aggressively maneuvered in dangerously close proximity" to the USNS Impeccable and its crew of civilian contractors, with one ship coming within 25 feet, a Defense Department statement said.

It said the American ship was conducting routine operations 75 miles south of Hainan Island.

"The unprofessional maneuvers by Chinese vessels violated the requirement under international law to operate with due regard for the rights and safety of other lawful users of the ocean," Pentagon spokesman Marine Corps Major Stewart Upton said in a statement.

"We expect Chinese ships to act responsibly and refrain from provocative activities that could lead to miscalculation or a collision at sea."

The encounter was the latest incident of "increasingly aggressive" Chinese conduct in the area, which in recent days also included fly-bys of U.S. Navy ships by Chinese maritime surveillance aircraft, the Pentagon said.

The Pentagon identified the Chinese vessels in Sunday's incident as a navy intelligence ship, a bureau of maritime fisheries patrol vessel, a state oceanographic administration patrol vessel and two small Chinese-flagged trawlers.

The Impeccable is one of six Navy surveillance ships that gather underwater acoustical data while operating as part of the U.S. Military Sealift Command, the Pentagon said.

The Chinese vessels surrounded the Impeccable while two closed to within 50 feet, waving Chinese flags and telling the U.S. ship to leave the area, the Defense Department said.

The Impeccable responded by spraying one of the vessels with fire hoses and later informed the Chinese ships by radio that it was leaving the area and requested a safe path to navigate, it said.

Two of the Chinese vessels stopped directly in front of the U.S. ship and dropped pieces of wood in its path.

The Pentagon described accounts of half a dozen other incidents dating back to March 4, in which the Impeccable and its sister vessel USNS Victorious were subjected to aggressive behavior, including dozens of fly-bys by Chinese Y-12 maritime surveillance aircraft.

On March 7, a Chinese intelligence collection ship challenged the Impeccable over the radio, calling her operations illegal and directing the vessel to leave the area or "suffer the consequences," the Pentagon said.

Two days earlier, a Chinese frigate approached the Impeccable and crossed its bow twice, once at a range of 100 feet.

(Additional reporting by Andrew Gray and Paul Eckert; Editing by Paul Simao)

I have a feeling that this incident may have something to do with the Spratly islands knowing that Philippines ratified the baselines, which the US interest over the control of South China Sea is also at stake.

Arciga_01

March 13th, 2009, 07:05 PM

Naku, Baka dahil sa spratly islands ay biglang magkagyera dito sa atin dahil sa agressive chinese goverment...We don't want to know what's the chinese Army, Navy and Airforce really capable of!! They even have amphibious TANK's! :uh:

Makagawa na nga ng hideout bunker para hinde ako madamay sa gyera :crazy:

Askal82

March 13th, 2009, 07:14 PM

^^ Seriously, the Philippines should be one of the better equipped army in the world with that kind of threat like how Israel manage to defend its sovereignty para hindi tayo masyadong umasa sa US at pinaglalaruan ng China.

Kaso daming mga gahaman sa atin, kaya ang laking compromise sa defense and might as well allow other countries like US to help Philippines in exchange for its interest kasi wala talaga tayong kapabilidad.

:bash: :bash:

Thanks to our wonderful system we have.

:bash: :bash:

Arciga_01

March 13th, 2009, 07:20 PM

Askal82

March 13th, 2009, 07:29 PM

^^ Either way, our sovereignty is compromised and both alternatives are usually detrimental or disadvantageous to national interests.

Either:

We let go of our claims over Spratly's

We let the US interfere with our affairs in exchange for interests (like rights on bases, etc.)

If the Philippine army is as powerful as Israel's, China will also have a hard time with its aggressive moves and there will be less interference from the US.

lim803

March 13th, 2009, 09:03 PM

Kaya dapat magising na gobyerno natin.. Tama na corruption. Anong gagawin nila sa perang kinukurakot nila kung magkagiyera man dahil sa spratly islands na to. Instead pagtuunan nila ng pansin armed forces natin. Para kahit papano may laban ng konte. I was reading earlier some articles about this spratly islands and scaraborough shoal and really caught my attention. Some say that this would be the start of the world-war 3 if not handled properly.

jcb

March 13th, 2009, 09:19 PM

Hello guys matagal na rin ng huling nagpost ako dito!

Regarding sa mga issue pinag-uusapan nyo dito like for example is the Spartly Island
im pretty sure na hindi gagawa ng marahas na hakbang ang China tungkol dito to avoid any problem sa part nila from diplomatic relationship, military and economy. Kaya nga nung ipinasa ang baseline bill nag protesta sila sa UN.

If we talk about the military capacity of China yun nga lang nakakatakot isipin from thier advance fighter jet(J 10) Newest assault helicopter (WZ10) submarine(sub 094) and many more.

jcb

March 13th, 2009, 09:33 PM

Para sa akin im very proud sa military natin dahil sa kabila ng batikos ng mga ilang tao na walang kuwenta sila nandyan pa rin sila giving thier best for the country.Kahit na luma na ang mga kagamitan na ginagamit ng ating mga sundalo mataas pa rin ang ang kanilang dedication nila sa kanilang sinumpaang tungkulin.

Ibinibigay talaga nila ang lahat ng makakaya nila to innovate new things or equipment, revive old stuff, to maintained yung mga kagamitan na kanilang ginagamit kahit pa panahon pa ito ng hapon.

Di ba sa bagay na yun dapat maipag malaki natin sila.

Askal82

March 13th, 2009, 09:55 PM

^^ I'm proud of their undying spirit, innovation and nationalism to serve the people. However, I'm pissed at the way they are treated by the corrupt government and generals alike who are siphoning the funds for their benefit at the detriment of the national interest. It's disheartening where your taxes go and see that their sense of entitlement of taxpayer's money is much more important than providing what is good and fair for everyone.

Sometimes, I'm beginning to think that what Sen. Trillanes did back in 2003 was a noble cause because mutinies like these would not have occurred if the higher military officials are not corrupt.

Pagnagkaroon ng gulo dyan sa Spratly islands, dapat ang mga buwaya ang gagawing panangga ng mga armas nila.

jcb

March 13th, 2009, 10:21 PM

Then, bakit tayo natalo sa Philippine-American war? Tapos, Bakit na reclaim ng kano ang pilipinas mula sa mga hapon nung world war 2? :naughty:

Kahit ano gawin mo, talo parin tayo kahit ba walang modern equipment ang mga kano eh....Meron ba tayong navy? Diba Naghihingalo? Airforce? Naghihingalo na din...Last, Steady ba un supply ng ammunation natin? diba hinde?

Masyado mo namang minamaliit ang kakayahan ng US Army, Mas marami silang man power at factories para gumawa ng mga kagamitan nila...Habang tayo, kakarampot :|

Atleast someone somewhat agrees...gen1, kahit ano gawin mong paliwanag dyan, hinde natin maitatago na sobrang walang kwenta ang buong army natin sa buong SEA Region. Infact nga, ang PAF at AFP ay umamin na at binalita pa nga ito dati eh..

Gusto ko lang po mag comment regarding po dito!

Una

Yes we all know na hindi ganun kalakas ang ating AFP pero kung magbabasa ka lang ng history ng Pilipinas malalaman mo na minsan kinatakutan tayo dahil sa lakas ng ating military i think its around 60-80's kung hindi ako nag-kakamali na wala bansa ang naglakas loob na pumasok sa teritoryo ng Pilipinas even a Soviet bomber plane nakaescort ang mga fighter plane natin.

2nd

Pilippine American War

Ang opinion ko dito oo mahina ang ating military at that time pero isa lamang yan sa mga reason .At kung ikukumpara sa tagal ng labanan na inabot ng taon at pagbubuwis ng maraming buhay ng mga Amerikano masasabi nating hindi basta basta ang mga filipino.

3rd

WWII

Ibinigay ng ating mga kababayan ang lahat ng kanilang makakaya noong panahon ng hapon mula sa Bataan at ng makabalik si MacArthur kaya hindi mo masasabi walang kuwenta ang ating military. Maraming hapon ang nag buwis ng buhay sa Bataan palang ilang eroplano ang napabagsak ng ACE Pilot na si Villamor at marami pang iba.

Isipin mo rin na hindi lang ang pilipinas ang sakop ng mga hapon lahat ng karatig bansa natin. at kahit sa Europe halos lahat ng bansa ay nasa ilalim ng mga Aleman maliban sa Russia at UK. Nag kataon lang na under tayo ng US remember Commenwealth at malapit tayo sa Australia. Kung hindi mo po alam ang Soviet ang nagpalaya sa ilang bahagi ng China at Korea.

Medyo marami ako nasabi dahil sa tagal ko na hindi pagpopost dito at sa dami ng gusto ko sabihin.

Ang gusto ko lang sabihin para sa kasama natin eh wag basta basta magsalita o magbigay ng opinion sa mga bagay na nakikita lamang niya na kung tutuusin ay mali sa tunay na buhay. Magbasa at malalim na mag-usisa para lumawak ang kanyang kaalaman.:)

bitoy

March 13th, 2009, 10:27 PM

http://community.middlebury.edu/~scs/maps/reefs.gif

Daming claimants. Why not make these islets the largest nudist colonies? :lol:

Vietnam set up a naval base there and I think PRC also, while the Philippine Marines are stuck there, it's a good thing that they still enjoy fishing and snorkling. I remember when some of the bottled water where shipped there for the soldiers, na kotong pa ng isang opisyal from Palawan yung iba... my gulay!

jcb

March 13th, 2009, 10:33 PM

Askal82

March 14th, 2009, 12:25 AM

gen1

March 14th, 2009, 01:32 AM

Daming claimants. Why not make these islets the largest nudist colonies? :lol:

Vietnam set up a naval base there and I think PRC also, while the Philippine Marines are stuck there, it's a good thing that they still enjoy fishing and snorkling. I remember when some of the bottled water where shipped there for the soldiers, na kotong pa ng isang opisyal from Palawan yung iba... my gulay!

Or we can garrison them with the ma-angas from this thread. "sobrang tapang" kasi hindi pa napapasabak sa away :lol:

sarap batukan, pero iiyak yan, baka isumbong pa tayo sa mommy :lol:

The phil has troopers in the best and biggest islands in the reef.

The chinese base there is constructed on stilts because it is underwater during high tide.

The spratlys issue can only be resolved diplomatically. The south china sea was a US lake up to the time the 7th fleet left subic. the 7th fleet kept most other claimants out of the islets.

But now even the mighty US navy is being toyed with by the chinese military. Well many are saying that it's a chinese century :D

Ecija

March 14th, 2009, 01:51 AM

Askal82

March 14th, 2009, 02:00 AM

Or we can garrison them with the ma-angas from this thread. "sobrang tapang" kasi hindi pa napapasabak sa away :lol:

sarap batukan, pero iiyak yan, baka isumbong pa tayo sa mommy :lol:

The phil has troopers in the best and biggest islands in the reef.

The chinese base there is constructed on stilts because it is underwater during high tide.

The spratlys issue can only be resolved diplomatically. The south china sea was a US lake up to the time the 7th fleet left subic. the 7th fleet kept most other claimants out of the islets.

But now even the mighty US navy is being toyed with by the chinese military. Well many are saying that it's a chinese century :D

Exactly.

Assume the worst case scenario. What if the Spratly issue can not be resolved diplomatically?
Pwede tayong araruhin ng China ng wala sa oras sa lakas ng military nila.
Baliktarin mo ang mundo, kulelat parin ang Philippine Army pagdating sa makabagong kagamitan kasi pinangshoshopping lang ng mga generals natin ang budget na yan sa ibang bansa.

Madami nga tayong tropa doon pero isang pindot lang nila doon eh, liliparan tayo ng mga missiles nila at hindi na kailangang magpadala ng kanilang tauhan para makagawa ng pinsala. Nakapagpadala na nga sila ng tao sa outerspace at may misyon pa sila pumunta ng buwan, Spratly islands pa kaya?

:lol:

bitoy

March 14th, 2009, 02:23 AM

Ang UN po ba ang magdedecide kung anong bansa talaga ang nagmamay-ari ng Spratly islands? Parang ang tagal na kasi ng issue na ito parang panahon pa yata ni Marcos, sana maibigay na sa tunay na nagmamay-ari. Ang hirap naman kasi sa China ang laking bansa na eh nakikigulo pa.:)

To settle the territorial dispute in the South China Sea, the UN required all six claimants - Philippines, China, Vietnam,
Malaysia, China, Taiwan, Brunei - to pass a law defining their respective "archipelagic baselines".

The deadline is May 2009, but China's Views of Sovereignty and Methods of Controlling Access to Its Territory is quite different from others. Pag nakita nila kanila na.. :lol: J/k lang :lol:
Most claims of China are not recognized by others, kaya magulo. Especially their claim on Taiwan kaya ang Taiwan ay palaging handa, while we are always negotiating for joint exploration of our natural resources even with China we look like suckers to all of their business ventures even that botch ZTE deal as an example.

If China would force a major takeover of all the islands in dispute, it will be a global conflict, nandiyan na yung makikisawsaw sa labanan to offer some help.
Mas marami kang kampi, the better. Sino pa ang tatawagin ng Pinas kundi ang kuya(USA) na pinalayas natin nuon.
But I don't think China would do such a thing. It will be economically and militarily disastrous for them. Their exports throughout the world is already like a major Chinese invasion of other nation without bloodshed.

bloodhound

March 14th, 2009, 03:37 AM

locally made armored vehicle currently deployed in sulu :

http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showforum=19

jcb

March 14th, 2009, 05:04 AM

higen

March 14th, 2009, 06:47 AM

higen

March 14th, 2009, 06:54 AM

jrevalde

March 14th, 2009, 10:17 AM

Arciga_01

March 14th, 2009, 10:48 AM

Gusto ko lang po mag comment regarding po dito!

Una

Yes we all know na hindi ganun kalakas ang ating AFP pero kung magbabasa ka lang ng history ng Pilipinas malalaman mo na minsan kinatakutan tayo dahil sa lakas ng ating military i think its around 60-80's kung hindi ako nag-kakamali na wala bansa ang naglakas loob na pumasok sa teritoryo ng Pilipinas even a Soviet bomber plane nakaescort ang mga fighter plane natin.

If you read the fine print ng glorious military past natin, malalaman mo na, lahat ng kagamitan natin ay US Supplied and kaya takot lahat lumapit ang mga ibang bansa sa atin ay kasi we're still under protection (and still is) of the US Goverment while giving us huge wads of modern military hardware at money at madaming military base ang US dito sa atin kaya takot ang mga Soviet bombers.

Kaso, when the US withdraw there military bases at financial aid sa atin at ng naubos na un funds we got after world war 2. All hell broke loose at bigla nalang bumagsak ang buong army/ airforce at navy natin to the point na iisa nalang ang C-130 natin at naubos na un jet fighters natin. :|

Remember the US vs Soviet era? Yan lang ang dahilan bakit tayo nagkaron ng malakas na Army, Navy at Airforce dahil nakabase din ang America dito nuon. :|

Now, We can't even finish the war in mindanao that has been going since the 70's. :|

Or we can garrison them with the ma-angas from this thread. "sobrang tapang" kasi hindi pa napapasabak sa away :lol:

sarap batukan, pero iiyak yan, baka isumbong pa tayo sa mommy :lol:

The phil has troopers in the best and biggest islands in the reef.

The chinese base there is constructed on stilts because it is underwater during high tide.

The spratlys issue can only be resolved diplomatically. The south china sea was a US lake up to the time the 7th fleet left subic. the 7th fleet kept most other claimants out of the islets.

But now even the mighty US navy is being toyed with by the chinese military. Well many are saying that it's a chinese century :D

I saw what you did there...Tangapin mo na kasi, lampa talaga ang military natin :|.

Dapat matakot tayo sa chinese military, they're bringing up there old glorious military past again. China had the most powerful army in the world 500 to 600 years ago, bumagsak lang sila due to mishandling kaso ngayon, paunti unti na silang bumabangon uli and slowly overthrowing the US. Infact nga, Hawak na ng China ang economy ng US.

jcb

March 14th, 2009, 11:03 AM

If you read the fine print ng glorious military past natin, malalaman mo na, lahat ng kagamitan natin ay US Supplied and kaya takot lahat lumapit ang mga ibang bansa sa atin ay kasi we're still under protection (and still is) of the US Goverment while giving us huge wads of modern military hardware at money at madaming military base ang US dito sa atin kaya takot ang mga Soviet bombers.

Kaso, when the US withdraw there military bases at financial aid sa atin at ng naubos na un funds we got after world war 2. All hell broke loose at bigla nalang bumagsak ang buong army/ airforce at navy natin to the point na iisa nalang ang C-130 natin at naubos na un jet fighters natin. :|

Remember the US vs Soviet era? Yan lang ang dahilan bakit tayo nagkaron ng malakas na Army, Navy at Airforce dahil nakabase din ang America dito nuon. :|

Now, We can't even finish the war in mindanao that has been going since the 70's. :|

I saw what you did there...Tangapin mo na kasi, lampa talaga ang military natin :|.

Dapat matakot tayo sa chinese military, they're bringing up there old glorious military past again. China had the most powerful army in the world 500 to 600 years ago, bumagsak lang sila due to mishandling kaso ngayon, paunti unti na silang bumabangon uli...

Alam ko sasabihin mo yan sympre dahil may base ang US dito of course alam ko yan and we cannot deny it.Did you know na may incident na may lumipad na Soviet military plane sa teritoyo natin kahit pa may base ang USA dito.

Arciga_01

March 14th, 2009, 11:09 AM

gen1

March 14th, 2009, 11:15 AM

I saw what you did there...Tangapin mo na kasi, lampa talaga ang military natin :|.

Dapat matakot tayo sa chinese military, they're bringing up there old glorious military past again. China had the most powerful army in the world 500 to 600 years ago, bumagsak lang sila due to mishandling kaso ngayon, paunti unti na silang bumabangon uli and slowly overthrowing the US. Infact nga, Hawak na ng China ang economy ng US.

from your vast knowledge of chinese military history, would you care to further discuss the extent of the power of the chinese military from 500-600 hundred years ago, an explanation of the cause of their "downfall" ?

Furthermore can you expound on how they are "overthrowing the US" ? And how China controls the US Economy ?

I ask these questions as you project yourself as military expert and as an economist/analyst.

Tignan nga natin kung may nalalaman ka talaga. Otherwise stay at samahan threads :D

jcb

March 14th, 2009, 11:20 AM

Another one hindi masasabing walang kwenta ang military natin dahil bakit may ibang mga bansa like USA,Australia at iba pa na gusto magkaroon ng treaty sa atin to have a military exercise like balikatan dahil sa may bagay na maaari nilang magain like sa mga bagay about survival.

jcb

March 14th, 2009, 11:22 AM

off course Soviet know about American bases dito sa Pilipinas kaya nga they conducting some survillance.

higen

March 14th, 2009, 11:30 AM

Hinde incident yan, The Soviets knew the US have military bases here. Kaya they conducted spying missions sa atin. Pumalpak lang kaya pinaalis ng Philippine Airforce natin un spy plane to protect uncle sam :|.

...Unless you're talking about the Antonov-225 that visited us..

^^I dont think the Soviets had their fingers crossed and was hoping the the US military would mistake the BIG blinking thingy on their Radar screens was just a big flock of very high flying birds when they were flying near our airspace. The Soviets do the same in Europe. It wasnt a failed attempt to spy on the US bases. It's a game that the Soviets had been palying with the Allies all through out the Cold War...Soviet Bomber come too close, allies send fighter, Soviets backdown and get escorted away to international airspace and then the cycle begins again...

off course Soviet know about American bases dito sa Pilipinas kaya nga they conducting some survillance.

I agree with the use of the phrase "some survaillance". But it wasnt an attempt to spy undetected.

jcb

March 14th, 2009, 11:36 AM

^^I dont think the Soviets had their fongers crossed and was hoping the the US military would mistake the BIG blinking thingy on their Radar screens was just a big flock of very high flying birds whn they were flying near our airspace. The Soviets do the same in Europe. Testing what the allies would do if they stray too close to the airspace. It wasnt a failed attempt to spy on the US bases. It's a game that the Soviets had been palying with the allies all through out the Cold War...Soviet Bomber come too close, allies send fighter, Soviets backdown and get escorted away to international airspace and then the cycle begins again...

tama parng yung sa Cuba they send lots of military stuff tapos they pull out naman sa huli

Arciga_01

March 14th, 2009, 11:37 AM

(Removed dahil wala kayong kwenta)

lochinvar

March 14th, 2009, 12:30 PM

Please try to use THEIR (KANILA) rather than THERE (DIYAN).

Arciga_01

March 14th, 2009, 12:36 PM

Sabi na nga ba na may mali sa typing ko, fixed. :naughty:

gen1

March 14th, 2009, 02:50 PM

Dapat matakot tayo sa chinese military, they're bringing up there old glorious military past again. China had the most powerful army in the world 500 to 600 years ago, bumagsak lang sila due to mishandling kaso ngayon, paunti unti na silang bumabangon uli and slowly overthrowing the US. Infact nga, Hawak na ng China ang economy ng US.

1:If you read the books, China was known to have the largest naval ships back to the point na its 10x larger than Christopher Columbus's Santa maria ship.

In short, their military was ahead of its time and when the europeans found it out, they where in shock how vast the chinese military is. They where even amazed how the chinese built their ships with watertight compartments, rudders and streamlined hulls.

For their downfall, high maintenance cost and lack of funds killed it and there great wall added to their downfall due to its high construction and maintenance cost.

Its also noted that some chinese soldiers held a coup on the great wall due to there lack of finacial aid and dwindling economy and they eventually opened the gates of the wall to let the enemy invade china evenually leading to their downfall.

Research ka naman dyan, masyado mong minamaliit ang capabilities ng china 500 to 600 years ago..

2: Read above, jrevalde answered it already. The Chinese is pratically holding the US economy and the world knows China is on a fast pace to become the new superpower kaya takot pati ang USA. One wrong move ng US, Dapa ang economy at military ng US like theres no tommorow at baka madamay pa buong mundo..

I leave it to the others here to discuss with you your assertion that the Chinese controls the US Economy. It's quite funny and the others must have their turn in amusing themselves with you :lol:

But I am quite willing to have an exchange on your thesis that the Chinese military was the worlds most powerful army 500-600 years ago. The time frame you mention puts thats squarely in the Ming Dynasty.

In contrast, the most powerful european army during this time will be that of the Spanish Empire, whose army relied on the Tercio formation, one of the earliest examples of combined arms warfare. (combined arms is the holy grail of modern warfare)

The spanish tercio will have pikemen, swordsmen, Harquebusiers, and musketeers. the pikemen will wear full armor, while the others will have lighter armor.

the spanish artillery will have light 10 pounder to heavy 48 pounder cannons.

Now, what does your Ming Dynasty Army have in terms of armament and tactics ? Can they fight toe-to-toe against the Spanish Tercio ?

Be specific, and for god's sake don't rely on the Discovery/Natgeo Channel for everything. do research, boy. :D

BTW, I forgot to educate you on the navy. Ships, specially the large ones, will form part of the Chinese Navy and NOT the Chinese Army. :lol:

Arciga_01

March 14th, 2009, 03:34 PM

I leave it to the others here to discuss with you your assertion that the Chinese controls the US Economy. It's quite funny and the others must have their turn in amusing themselves with you :lol:

But I am quite willing to have an exchange on your thesis that the Chinese military was the worlds most powerful army 500-600 years ago. The time frame you mention puts thats squarely in the Ming Dynasty.

In contrast, the most powerful european army during this time will be that of the Spanish Empire, whose army relied on the Tercio formation, one of the earliest examples of combined arms warfare. (combined arms is the holy grail of modern warfare)

The spanish tercio will have pikemen, swordsmen, Harquebusiers, and musketeers. the pikemen will wear full armor, while the others will have lighter armor.

the spanish artillery will have light 10 pounder to heavy 48 pounder cannons.

Now, what does your Ming Dynasty Army have in terms of armament and tactics ? Can they fight toe-to-toe with the Spanish Tercio ?

Be specific, and for god's sake don't rely on the Discovery Channel for everything. do research, boy. :D

BTW, I forgot to educate you on the navy. Ships, specially the large ones, will form part of the Chinese Navy and NOT the Chinese Army. :lol:

1: Yes, You're forgetting that, China is a very mountainous country. Ming can easily out manuever them and just ambush them. Did spain even touched China in that era? Nope, kasi takot sila since alam nila kung ano kakayahan ng China.

2: China was also capable of making grenades and other missile based weaponry if they wanted. They even invented the gunpowder the spanish artillery guns uses and China even invented the first gun in 1377. :|

Meh, Back on topic, Kahit ano pagawayan natin. Pulpol parin tayo. Walang kwenta ang kagamitan natin, oo nga, magagaling nga sundalo natin kaso pano kung biglang pumalpak ang m1 garands nila? edi patay sila...haayy...

Sana, pasabugin nalang ang AFP at pasakop nalang uli tayo..walang kwenta ang pilipinas...

gen1

March 14th, 2009, 03:57 PM

Arciga_01

March 14th, 2009, 04:16 PM

^^ diyan ka magaling, sa trolling :lol:

I was trying to engage you in a discussion of some substance relating to defense issues, and all you could throw back are inane arguments :lol:

Oh well, I did give you the benefit of the doubt. but now I'm pretty certain that you are indeed clueless not only about philippine defense issues, but of anything military.

Ano ba ginagawa mo sa thread na ito, naghahanap ng boyprend ? sabi ko naman sa iyo mas bagay ka sa samahan thread. duon ka mag-troll :D

Talagang wala paring kwenta ang Military/Navy Whatever natin, We have poor intelligence, poor everything. Ang alam lang natin ay magyabang. Okay, magagaling nga sundalo natin and i'm proud of there dedication. Kaso kung umasta kayo, parang kayang kaya natin ang US o kaya China on a head on war without using modern technology..habang sa totoo lang, sigurado, isang araw lang, pulbos tayo sa invasion...

Sa ngayon nga, hinde natin matapos tapos o mapulbos man lang ang Abu sayaff, NPA, MILF at iba pang rebel groups sa sariling lupain natin eh..

Un pinsan ko, may balak pumasok sa PMA. Pinaatras ko sya dahil sabi ko na wala naman kwenta ang AFP eh. He eventually backed out..

Kahit ano pagawayan natin, we can all agree to this:

Politics kill and makes people miserable when used in the wrong way.

Politics is 10x worst than a hiroshima nuclear bomb

bitoy

March 14th, 2009, 06:21 PM

Talagang wala paring kwenta ang Military/Navy Whatever natin, We have poor intelligence, poor everything. Ang alam lang natin ay magyabang. Okay, magagaling nga sundalo natin and i'm proud of there dedication. Kaso kung umasta kayo, parang kayang kaya natin ang US o kaya China on a head on war without using modern technology..habang sa totoo lang, sigurado, isang araw lang, pulbos tayo sa invasion...
Sa ngayon nga, hinde natin matapos tapos o mapulbos man lang ang Abu sayaff, NPA, MILF at iba pang rebel groups sa sariling lupain natin eh..

Un pinsan ko, may balak pumasok sa PMA. Pinaatras ko sya dahil sabi ko na wala naman kwenta ang AFP eh. He eventually backed out..

Kahit ano pagawayan natin, we can all agree to this:

Politics kill and makes people miserable when used in the wrong way.

Politics is 10x worst than a hiroshima nuclear bomb

Determination - that's what keeping a Filipino soldier do his job. We all know that we can't start a war but we can win a battle. The Abus, NPA, MILF problems are internal conflicts that can be resolve with just one solution, better economy.

The PMA is one of the best institution in the country. One doesn't need to stay in the AFP forever after graduation from the academy.

higen

March 14th, 2009, 07:08 PM

1: Yes, You're forgetting that, China is a very mountainous country. Ming can easily out manuever them and just ambush them. Did spain even touched China in that era? Nope, kasi takot sila since alam nila kung ano kakayahan ng China.
2: China was also capable of making grenades and other missile based weaponry if they wanted. They even invented the gunpowder the spanish artillery guns uses and China even invented the first gun in 1377. :|

Woah really????...guns and gun powder came from China???? :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Maybe you can also educate us on some of the campaigns and battles that the Ming Armies had fought and won and some of the formations and maneuvering tactics they employed. And also if you have the time, can you please present a hypothesis why you believe that the Chinese formations and tactics during the Ming Dynasty can out maneuver and destroy the Spanish Tercio. I would like to note that the Tercio is a SOLID BLOCK of men consisting of thousands with mobile troops on the wings to prevent what you would call out manuevering the formation. But I'm sure you already know this about the Spanish Tercio, right? If you were the Ming General and you see 5 SOLID BLOCKS of PIKEMEN, each block consisting of thousands of men advancing towards your line, what would you do? Which part of a square foramtion do you think is the weakest? Just curious to know your hypothesis...

Un pinsan ko, may balak pumasok sa PMA. Pinaatras ko sya dahil sabi ko na wala naman kwenta ang AFP eh. He eventually backed out..

Wow! Very Persuassive. And your cuzin was how old? You see where Im trying to get at here? :lol::lol::lol: But I salute ur cuzin for considering joining the Military...seriously

Meh, Back on topic, Kahit ano pagawayan natin. Pulpol parin tayo. Walang kwenta ang kagamitan natin, oo nga, magagaling nga sundalo natin kaso pano kung biglang pumalpak ang m1 garands nila? edi patay sila...haayy...

Talagang wala paring kwenta ang Military/Navy Whatever natin, We have poor intelligence, poor everything. Ang alam lang natin ay magyabang. Okay, magagaling nga sundalo natin and i'm proud of there dedication. Kaso kung umasta kayo, parang kayang kaya natin ang US o kaya China on a head on war without using modern technology..habang sa totoo lang, sigurado, isang araw lang, pulbos tayo sa invasion...

^^And your angry and frustrated about the Military being weak because...???:ohno:

Arciga_01

March 14th, 2009, 07:30 PM

Wow! Very Persuassive. And your cuzin was how old? You see where Im trying to get at here? :lol::lol::lol: But I salute ur cuzin for considering joining the Military...seriously

^^And your angry and frustrated about the Military being weak because...???:ohno:

1: He's 21.
2: Dyan namatay tito ko nung 1977, dahil sa palpak na intelligence at dahil pumalpak ang baril nya in the heat of battle. At, Sobrang kulang daw un supplies nila at sabi ng lola ko, pagumuuwi daw sya galing mindanao. Daig pa si palito sa payat nya...

At i'm saying our military is weak because, bakit hangang ngayon, hinde parin tapos ang gyera sa mindanao? it's been going since 1970's :|. Tapos, Who fricking uses hats that looks like its for boy scouts sa battlefield? and Who uses an APC with shitty armour and paint them with glossy boysen paint :|?

higen

March 14th, 2009, 07:54 PM

1: He's 21.
2: Dyan namatay tito ko nung 1977, dahil sa palpak na intelligence at dahil pumalpak ang baril nya in the heat of battle. At, Sobrang kulang daw un supplies nila at sabi ng lola ko, pagumuuwi daw sya galing mindanao. Daig pa si palito sa payat nya...

At i'm saying our military is weak because, bakit hangang ngayon, hinde parin tapos ang gyera sa mindanao? it's been going since 1970's :|. Tapos, Who fricking uses hats that looks like its for boy scouts sa battlefield? and Who uses an APC with shitty armour and paint them with glossy boysen paint :|?

OO nga no, why didnt I thought of that logic?...Weak kasi ung Military ng Thailand, UK, Spain, Argentina at maraming pang ibang mga bansa kaya hindi nila masugposugpo ung mga rebelde sa territory nila...your powers of deduction never seizes to entairtain me:lol:...Oh by the way, I dont know if you aware of it, soldiers are supposed to be skinny when they are in combat duty kasi active sila and they are fit. Wala pa akong nakikitang sundalo na galing sa combat duty na ang taba taba and Im not talking about the beer belly. All grandmas including mine think that skinny is lampayatot and mataba is healthy...but serioulsy, you believe that?

My respects to your dead uncle. He has my gratitude. But just to let you know, sometimes guns DO jam maski kung saang bansa pa gawa yan. And sigurado ka mas payat pa siya kay Palito pag umuuwi ung tito mo? Have you even seen Palito? That guy is Physiolgical phenomenon if not a miracle. Show me a soldier more skinny than Palito but can still carry a gun and supplies and still make a dash for cover then I'll believe you story. Bago mo sabihing si "RAMBUTO" kaya niya, unahan na kita. Hindi tunay na tao si Rambuto, ginampanan lang siya ni Palito sa pelikula. Ung fiction nga ba ang tawag dun? Is it really a wonder why a lot of people DO NOT take you seriously in this thread. Gets?

Regarding your question who uses the boyscout hats...I dont know what hats you are referring to but Im sure if you ask your frend wiki and google an did some research first you will find that the Army and Marines uses hats that are almost similar to the ones used by the US Military. But Im sure you already know that. Regarding the Boysen paint... do you have any particular brand that you recommend the Army or the Marines use for their APCs? Kung Boysen nga gamit nila...

PS
And oo nga pala, where is your hypothesis on the Ming Military Tactics and formations and how it can woop the @ss of the Spanish Tercio? Please...Im dying to read your thoughts, maybe I can even learn something...maybe...

Arciga_01

March 14th, 2009, 11:16 PM

OO nga no, why didnt I thought of that logic?...Weak kasi ung Military ng Thailand, UK, Spain, Argentina at maraming pang ibang mga bansa kaya hindi nila masugposugpo ung mga rebelde sa territory nila...your powers of deduction never seizes to entairtain me:lol:...Oh by the way, I dont know if you aware of it, soldiers are supposed to be skinny when they are in combat duty kasi active sila and they are fit. Wala pa akong nakikitang sundalo na galing sa combat duty na ang taba taba and Im not talking about the beer belly. All grandmas including mine think that skinny is lampayatot and mataba is healthy...but serioulsy, you believe that?

Atleast may capability sila to atleast defend there entire territory. Habang tayo, hinde natin mahabol man lang ang speed boats ng mga abu sayaff at wala pang pang gas sa naval ships natin :|

My respects to your dead uncle. He has my gratitude. But just to let you know, sometimes guns DO jam maski kung saang bansa pa gawa yan. And sigurado ka mas payat pa siya kay Palito pag umuuwi ung tito mo? Have you even seen Palito? That guy is Physiolgical phenomenon if not a miracle. Show me a soldier more skinny than Palito but can still carry a gun and supplies and still make a dash for cover then I'll believe you story. Bago mo sabihing si "RAMBUTO" kaya niya, unahan na kita. Hindi tunay na tao si Rambuto, ginampanan lang siya ni Palito sa pelikula. Ung fiction nga ba ang tawag dun? Is it really a wonder why a lot of people DO NOT take you seriously in this thread. Gets?

True, guns do jam, but m16's have the worst reputation in the world and yet we uses them. In my honest opinion, dapat AK-47's nalang gamit ng sundalo natin..baka madami pang ma save na sundalo..at mas sobrang reliable pa sya kasya dun sa Vietnam era M16's....and cheap pa..

at sabi ng friends nya na dati na nag kwento sa akin, talagang paguwi nya daw galing mindanao. He lost 40% of his weight...Not sure of the credibility..But i did met a few soldiers na kakagaling lang sa mindanao na sobrang payat, i even talked to them. they said they lost 30 to 40% of there original body weight..there body somewhat looks like palito's body. :banana:

Regarding your question who uses the boyscout hats...I dont know what hats you are referring to but Im sure if you ask your frend wiki and google an did some research first you will find that the Army and Marines uses hats that are almost similar to the ones used by the US Military. But Im sure you already know that. Regarding the Boysen paint... do you have any particular brand that you recommend the Army or the Marines use for their APCs? Kung Boysen nga gamit nila...

1:Here's the boyscout hats:
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/332/3904070.jpg

Kahit ba US style yan, para paring pang camping lang. Kailangan ng soldiers natin ay helmets at hinde yang pang camping..as those kind of hats offer no protection at all..

2: For the paint,. Pwede ding boysen, wag lang un handpainted gloss paint. Dapat flat colour un gamit nila at nato green, nato brown at nato grey dapat ang kulay dahil nakikiuso tayo sa US at hinde un gloss green/brown/grey na pambahay lang...Sobrang cheap tingnan

And oo nga pala, where is your hypothesis on the Ming Military Tactics and formations and how it can woop the @ss of the Spanish Tercio? Please...Im dying to read your thoughts, maybe I can even learn something...maybe...

Courtesy of: http://www.allempires.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=364

Repost from old forum:

Gunpowder_based Military during Ming China

http://mojtaba.proboards7.com/index.cgi?board=4&action=d isplay&num=1076065857

by Huaxiaren

Ask a westerner to conjure up images of military forces in ancient China, and 9 times out of 10 he would base his imagination on a very stereotypical picture: Massive hordes of badly organised and badly equiped peasants rushing towards the enemy en masse. Indeed, such a stereotype of ancient China is a part of the overall stereotype some have on ancient Asian peoples in general as disorganised militarily. However, from the point of view of factual history, is such an image correct? Certainly not.

I do not want to dwell on the military organisation in ancient China's more distant epochs. Certainly from the archeological evidence of the terracotta warriors any un_biased person could easily see that during this distant era, Chinese infantry were well_armoured and arranged into organised formations and were not just "a horde of peasants en masse". I would like to instead discuss the equipment and the military forces during China's Ming Dynasty, which lasted from the 14th to the 17th centuries. This was of course the period during which gunpowder_based weapons became popular in Europe. As we will see, a similar military revolution also occurred in Ming China, such that until the end of the Ming, the military technology of China was more or less on par with that of Europe.

Gunpowder was invented in China and the first gunpowder_based weapons were in use as early as the Song Dynasty (960 _ 1279 AD). However, the use of firearms during the Song had been rather rare. The Ming Dynasty, on the other hand, was when the usage of gunpowder_based military technology first became fully fledged.

There were three major types of military troops which existed during the Ming but not during earlier dynasties. The Ming was the first Chinese dynasty to widely employ gunners into its infantry. Similarly, cannons were also added onto massive ships in the Ming navy. When Admiral Zheng He explored the oceans of the world in the late 14th and early 15th centuries, most of his ships were fitted with cannons. The third major change in military was the re_introduction of the chariot as a part of land warfare. The chariot was used in the Chinese military from the Shang (1766 _ 1122 BC) to the Han (206 BC _ 220 AD) Dynasties, and it was especially popular during the Warring States Era (481 _ 221 BC). However, as the much more mobile cavalry gained greater popularity, especially after the invention of the stirrup, the chariot gradually disappeared from actual warfare. Yet with the introduction of firearms into the Ming infantry, chariots made a re_appearance as guns were now fitted onto them.

According to historical sources at the time, roughly 10% of all Ming infantry in the late 14th century were gunners. By the mid_16th century, the standard infantry of Ming China was almost entirely gunpowder_based. Every Chinese Legion at the time had 5000 soldiers, of these, 1000 were cavalrymen, still equiped with swords. 3600 were gunners who had individual firearms as well as more traditional weapons such as pikes and swords., and 400 were cannoneers, who were in charge of 160 heavy cannons and 200 Dalianzhu cannons. (Which was an earlier version of the rocket launcher)

Like all Han Chinese dynasties prior to it, Ming China faced great threats from nomadic peoples of the north. However, unlike all previous Han Chinese dynasties, the Ming Dynasty employed the firearm_fitted chariot as a major defense against the horsemen of the nomads, instead of the more traditional "cavalry vs. cavalry" strategy used by earlier dynasties. The famous military tactician, General Qi Jiguang, remarked that "the power of the chariot is totally dependant on the use of firearms. Without firearms, the chariots would surely lose all their defensive capability." Another famous general Yu Daqiu, similarly said, "With the help of firearms the chariots can defeat the barbarians, and with the help of chariots firearms could be effectively used against horsemen. Hence the two should be employed together." This was indeed a mainstream strategy throughout the Ming era.

From the perspective of military science, we could see that such an alliance of chariots and firearms was certainly logical. By using chariots as a transportation device for firearm_based troops, gunners and cannoneers were made much more mobile. In addition, chariots could also serve as a defensive measure for the troops and their firearms against arrows from the enemy and against charging horsemen. Therefore, with the chariots acting as an effective defensive barrier, the power of the guns and cannons could be employed to their full extent as an offensive weapon against the enemy. A similar tactic was used by the American colonists against the native Indians as the wagons were used as a defensive barrier against the Indian horsemen.

From the tactics used by General Qi Jiguang we could see that such a strategy based on firearm_fitted chariot regiments verses horsemen was very effective. As the nomadic horsemen charged at the Chinese army, the gunners and the cannoneers, which were placed on the chariots, would repeatedly fire at the enemy. The chariots at this time would be linked together and arranged in a square formation with empty space in the middle where additional troops, such as cavalrymen and infantry without firearms, would be located. If the enemy continues to charge and does not retreat, the rocket lauchers (Dalianzhu cannons) fitted on some of the chariots would fire at once towards the enemy. (The Dalianzhu cannons had a smaller range compared with the standard cannons and muskets) Usually, the enemy horsemen would retreat at this stage as the loud noise from the rocket lauchers would greatly startle the horses. However, in a few occasions the nomadic horsemen would be uncommonly fierce and would refuse to retreat even at this stage. Then more traditional weapons would be employed by the Chinese infantry against the enemy. Infantry troops would come out from the chariot formation in an organised way, soldiers with large shields would be on the front row, the next few rows would consist of soldiers that held long pikes, which could effectively stop the charging horsemen. As the nomads eventually make contact with the Chinese infantry, more soldiers, holding swords, would come out from the chariot formation. These men would attack the enemy directly from the two sides while the pikemen attack from the front. If the enemy retreats at this stage (keep in mind that by now the enemy would most certainly have already suffered great causalties), the fresh cavalrymen, which is also a part of the chariot regiment, would come out of the chariot formation and charge at the enemy horsemen who are most certainly already very tired. (This is in keeping with a general principle of ancient Chinese military science, which is to attack a tired enemy with fresh troops. The use of chariots in this case has made such an arrangement possible) Also, the Chinese chariots themselves would be of very sturdy construction, fitted with massive shields and sharp pikes, so that even if the enemy cavalry reached the chariot formation, they could not easily tear it apart. The use of firearms has also transformed the military tactics of naval warfare. By the mid_Ming period, massive, firearm_fitted warships were very common in the Chinese navy. As a military tactician of the time remarked: "The essence of naval warfare is to outfight smaller ships with larger ships, and to outfight ships fitted with smaller cannons using ships fitted with larger cannons." From this we can see the central role cannons played in the Ming navy, and the fact that in some ways, the naval tactics of Ming China were almost modern.

By the mid_16th century, 70% of all warships in the Chinese navy were heavily based on firearms. Cannons were fitted onto the ships and naval troops widely made use of guns. The general naval tactic of the time, as recorded on primary historical sources, is: within 80 Chinese feet of enemy vessels, guns and cannons would be used. Within 60 Chinese feet of enemy vessels, rockets would be employed. Within 40 Chinese feet of the enemy, large_scaled rocket launchers would be utilised (similar to the Dalianzhu cannons mentioned earlier), and when the enemy is within 20 Chinese feet, more traditional weapons such as the crossbow and javelins would be employed. Such a military tactic was effective in the sense that no soldiers could easily stand on the decks of enemy vessels for long, and therefore the enemy vessel was effectively paralysed (if not destroyed). Historically such a tactic was quite effective against the Japanese pirate ships that were common at the time.

During the early period of the Ming Dynasty, Chinese firearm technology was superior to that of the West. However, as Imperial China did not have any significant military opponent for much of the time during the Ming, there was no pressure for the Chinese to further develop their firearm technology. This contrasted with Europe, where multiple states were competing with each other in the field of military technology. Therefore by the mid_Ming period, Western military technology had already surpassed that of China. There was, however, a brief revival of ancient Chinese firearm technology during the late Ming era, as at this time China faced multiple threats from the Manchus and the Mongols of the north, the Japanese pirates, and the growing pressure from European powers (Mainly Spain and Portugal) on the South Seas. As the famous Chinese scientist of the time, Xu Guangqi remarked: "To have strong troops without advanced technology is to have them in vain". So during the late Ming, the Chinese assimilated many advanced military technologies from the West. At the same time, traditional Chinese firearms themselves have developed further during this time. As a result, the Chinese empire during the late Ming was one of the most advanced countries in terms of military technology and potentially China had the world's most powerful military, both in terms of quality and quantity. The state_controlled military factories during late Ming China could produce nearly 300 different types of gunpowder_based weapons, roughly divided into 3 large categories: Combustion_based weapons, Explosion_based weapons and Projectile weapons. The chemical technologies related to gunpowder production were also greated improved throughout the Ming era.

Enjoy that long read. Agreed with the first line, Masyado nyo talagang minamaliit ang china.... Sige, maliitin nyo pa ang china, baka bigla nalang may bumagsak na nuclear bomb sa metro manila ala hiroshima and nagasaki japan at baka in just an overnight battle, pulbos ang military, navy at airforce natin.

Back on topic, Kahit ano pagyabang nyo dyan (best training, best soldiers, best whatever). Our army 90% relies to the US and foreign aid, We cant even develop our own weaponry! Kaya puro World war 2 era donated guns o kaya patapon ng US nalang ang binibigay sa atin. Maswerte nalang kung brand new un ibigay sa atin :| . While our neighbour, Malaysia, Even have submarines and 21st century weapons. Sobrang napag iwanan na tayo..

jpdm

March 14th, 2009, 11:36 PM

iyan din ang nakikita ko once na gumawa ng marahas na hakbang ang china magkakaroon ng negative effect sa part ng kanilang economy at diplomatic relationship sa kanila.

Look at Taiwan kahit ang tagal tagal ng may conflict ang dalawang bansa wala pang major battle.

Even USA ay hindi gagawa ng paraan para magkaroon ng major conflict with China dahil alam nila ang consequence nito sa economy,military and diplomatic relationship sa part nila. Guys think about North Korea na ang USA pa ang nakikipag-ugnayan sa China for this issue at marami pang iba.

Another one im sure hindi hahayaan ng China mabawasan ng isang bansang may magandang relasyon ang china.

China with all its might I think in history has never been an agressor/colonizer.

Now, China I believe will not risk engaging in a war especially with the US because the moment the US become pissed off it will send negative info to its European allies and will start pressuring China economically.

The subtle negative anti-China campaign made by the US (by recalling dangerous Chinese made toys and other products) is disastrous to an export-led Chinese economy.

Without the US and its European allies where can China ask for assistance economically and politically?

Russia, Japan, Korea, India? these are economically powerful nations but historic enemy of China.These countries rather see a sleeping dragon than a fire-breathing one.

Smallville

March 14th, 2009, 11:49 PM

Or we can garrison them with the ma-angas from this thread. "sobrang tapang" kasi hindi pa napapasabak sa away :lol:

sarap batukan, pero iiyak yan, baka isumbong pa tayo sa mommy :lol:

The phil has troopers in the best and biggest islands in the reef.

The chinese base there is constructed on stilts because it is underwater during high tide.

The spratlys issue can only be resolved diplomatically. The south china sea was a US lake up to the time the 7th fleet left subic. the 7th fleet kept most other claimants out of the islets.

But now even the mighty US navy is being toyed with by the chinese military. Well many are saying that it's a chinese century :D

The Chinese Navy has no where near the capabilities of the US Navy! The US has 12 carrier battle groups. The Chinese have none. Each carrier has 60 to 80 f-18 super hornets as well as other types of aircraft to take the fight to the Chinese if need be. That capability will be even more pronounced when the US starts putting the new F-35 on those carriers. There is not one country in the world that can defeat the US Navy in the big blue Ocean.

The ship that was toyed with by the Chinese happened to be unarmed. I would like to see the Chinese toy with the USS Ronald Reagan. Not likely to happen becaue they would get their assess handed to them.

jpdm

March 14th, 2009, 11:53 PM

.....the US Goverment while giving us huge wads of modern military hardware at money....

The US left only in the 1990s. And yet for many many years that they have stayed here the "modern military hardware" that they gave us are those rickety F-5s and Vietnam era Hueys. Check what the US gave Israel and Turkey.

Kaso, when the US withdraw there military bases at financial aid sa atin at ng naubos na un funds we got after world war 2. All hell broke loose at bigla nalang bumagsak ang buong army/ airforce at navy natin to the point na iisa nalang ang C-130 natin at naubos na un jet fighters natin. :|

Bumagsak ang military capability (in terms of weapons) not because the US pulled out its bases here but because of the numerous corrupt Gen Garcia like generals in the military. Puro kurakot.

Thats why Trillanes et al have a legitimate cause.

Remember the US vs Soviet era? Yan lang ang dahilan bakit tayo nagkaron ng malakas na Army, Navy at Airforce dahil nakabase din ang America dito nuon. :|

Maybe.

Now, We can't even finish the war in mindanao that has been going since the 70's. :|

The Mindanao problem not only involves military solution.

Dapat matakot tayo sa chinese military, they're bringing up there old glorious military past again. China had the most powerful army in the world 500 to 600 years ago, bumagsak lang sila due to mishandling kaso ngayon, paunti unti na silang bumabangon uli and slowly overthrowing the US. Infact nga, Hawak na ng China ang economy ng US.

If they are really powerful, how come they succumbed to the military powers of the then superpowers ...Portugal (Macao) and UK (Hongkong)..

Or are you referring to the Mongol dynasty..

Arciga_01

March 15th, 2009, 12:01 AM

The US left only in the 1990s. And yet for many many years that they have stayed here the "modern military hardware" that they gave us are those rickety F-5s and Vietnam era Hueys. Check what the US gave Israel and Turkey.

Sinong nagsabing rickety un F-5's nung binigay un sa atin? It was brand new when the US gave them to us..

Bumagsak ang military capability (in terms of weapons) not because the US pulled out its bases here but because of the numerous corrupt Gen Garcia like generals in the military. Puro kurakot.

Thats why Trillanes et al have a legitimate cause.

Agreed, Support trillanes for the cause..Dapat patayin un mga Heneral!

The Mindanao problem not only involves military solution.

For me, it's time. Sobrang traidor ang mga rebelde pag dating sa "peace talks" kaya dapat magkaron na ng full military operation sa buong mindanao..

If they are really powerful, how come they succumbed to the military powers of the then superpowers ...Portugal (Macao) and UK (Hongkong)..

Or are you referring to the Mongol dynasty..

Dahil hinde sila agressive, but if they wanted, they would have pulverized them easily..

jpdm

March 15th, 2009, 12:05 AM

"China held 727.4 billion US dollars in US Treasury bonds at the end of last year, just ahead of Japan, the holder of 626 billion US dollars in bonds, according to US government data"

one reason na talagang di makikipagaway ang mga insik sa mga kano:)

China and Japan enjoy these perks because the US allows then.

And these are nothing if the US starts to restrict investment rules, pull out its investments in China and Japan or stop importing goods from China and Japan.

China (and Japan) produces more that it consumes.

THe US consumes more that it produces.

What if some ultra nationalists in the US start saying we need to strictly impose Buy American? Like erecting trade barriers and strict trade and investment controls?

We are all dead especially export dependent economies of Asia like China and the Philippines..and the rest of the world for that matter.

jpdm

March 15th, 2009, 12:16 AM

Sinong nagsabing rickety un F-5's nung binigay un sa atin? It was brand new when the US gave them to us..

Yes, they were good when they were brand new. Then what? Did the US give us other jet fighters after the F-5s? I believe the OV-broncos and some old F-5s were the last dole outs from the US through its allies (Thailand, Taiwan and South Korea).

Agreed, Support trillanes for the cause..Dapat patayin un mga Heneral!

Yup, litsonin mga corrupt sa military!

For me, it's time. Sobrang traidor ang mga rebelde pag dating sa "peace talks" kaya dapat magkaron na ng full military operation sa buong mindanao..

Baka naman nasa politiko problema hindi sa military. Isa pa no.1 protector ng mga corrupt na general ay mga kakuntsabang corrupt na politiko rin.

Dahil hinde sila agressive, but if they wanted, they would have pulverized them easily..

Yup na pulveraize sila ng tiny England at France sa opium war in the middlle 1800s.

jpdm

March 15th, 2009, 12:19 AM

1: Did spain even touched China in that era? Nope, kasi takot sila since alam nila kung ano kakayahan ng China.

2: China was also capable of making grenades and other missile based weaponry if they wanted. They even invented the gunpowder the spanish artillery guns uses and China even invented the first gun in 1377. :|

Well, I have to agree with you.

higen

March 15th, 2009, 06:03 AM

Atleast may capability sila to atleast defend there entire territory. Habang tayo, hinde natin mahabol man lang ang speed boats ng mga abu sayaff at wala pang pang gas sa naval ships natin :|

True, guns do jam, but m16's have the worst reputation in the world and yet we uses them. In my honest opinion, dapat AK-47's nalang gamit ng sundalo natin..baka madami pang ma save na sundalo..at mas sobrang reliable pa sya kasya dun sa Vietnam era M16's....and cheap pa..

at sabi ng friends nya na dati na nag kwento sa akin, talagang paguwi nya daw galing mindanao. He lost 40% of his weight...Not sure of the credibility..But i did met a few soldiers na kakagaling lang sa mindanao na sobrang payat, i even talked to them. they said they lost 30 to 40% of there original body weight..there body somewhat looks like palito's body. :banana:

1:Here's the boyscout hats:
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/332/3904070.jpg

Kahit ba US style yan, para paring pang camping lang. Kailangan ng soldiers natin ay helmets at hinde yang pang camping..as those kind of hats offer no protection at all..

2: For the paint,. Pwede ding boysen, wag lang un handpainted gloss paint. Dapat flat colour un gamit nila at nato green, nato brown at nato grey dapat ang kulay dahil nakikiuso tayo sa US at hinde un gloss green/brown/grey na pambahay lang...Sobrang cheap tingnan

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Courtesy of: http://www.allempires.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=364

Enjoy that long read. Agreed with the first line, Masyado nyo talagang minamaliit ang china.... Sige, maliitin nyo pa ang china, baka bigla nalang may bumagsak na nuclear bomb sa metro manila ala hiroshima and nagasaki japan at baka in just an overnight battle, pulbos ang military, navy at airforce natin.

Back on topic, Kahit ano pagyabang nyo dyan (best training, best soldiers, best whatever). Our army 90% relies to the US and foreign aid, We cant even develop our own weaponry! Kaya puro World war 2 era donated guns o kaya patapon ng US nalang ang binibigay sa atin. Maswerte nalang kung brand new un ibigay sa atin :| . While our neighbour, Malaysia, Even have submarines and 21st century weapons. Sobrang napag iwanan na tayo..

:lol: Nagrely nga :lol:...Ok...Im done...your powers of deductions and rationale and your ability to draw conclusions is absolutely entertaining...it's also nice to see that you are getting the all attention you were craving and hoping for in this thread. Good for you...:okay: And I also noticed that you seem to know alot of stories about soldier's experiences which were told to you by a relative who had a freind, who told a cuzin about his friends uncle about his story of how difficult and hard it was in the battlefields of Mindanao...Hold on I got lost...Who told you what again? :lol:

http://www.allempires.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=364...
^^Iho, there's nothing here that I don't already know. Funny why you would even assume that this would still stimulate my mind. And this is NOT yours, sus maryosep...Im still waiting for your Hypothesis...And to accuse me na minamaliit ko ang Chinese Military...Hay sus maryosep ulit...:ohno:

Last note...I think it's an obvious fact that our Military equipment is crap. Repeating the obvious over and over again...well let me ask you instead. What would you call a person like that? No one is contesting that the Military, hardware wise, is lacking. What I dont get however is why someone who has absolutely no real understanding of the Military and how it works would even consider voicing out his opinion and convince himself that he is making a lot of sense...:ohno: On the otherhand, to your credit, there are some points that you have mentioned that I agree with. Very very very few points that you seem to keep repeating over and over again in your posts :nuts:

Here something I read on the net which absolutely makes sense...
"Winning an argument in the Internet is like winning in the Special Olympics. You can win medals and take all the glory but at the end of the day your still a retard" - Sorry, I dont remember his ID.

With that I give the floor to you and concede...

DISCLAIMER: The use of the word RETARD, viewed by some to be politically incorrect, is merely for comical effect and by no means meant to insult, degrade, demean or promote bigotry towards people with the mentioned condition.

urban Iegend

March 15th, 2009, 06:22 AM

Here something I read on the net which absolutely makes sense...
"Winning an argument is like winning the Special Olympics. You can win medals and take all the glory but at the end of the day your still a retard" - Sorry, I dont remember his ID.

^^
quote ko lang kasi i don't like using the word "retard" :lol:
http://www.retardcentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/arguing_on_internet.jpg

higen

March 15th, 2009, 06:33 AM

^^Thanks for citing the source...I share your sentiments, hence the DISCLAIMER...:)

jvl

March 15th, 2009, 08:22 AM

Just want to add fuel to the fire, in case some people still want it to burn. My rough historical knowledge tells me that:

In WWII Japan conquered China (partly). China was weak due to a civil war at that time, so the opportunistic Japanese regime took advantage of the situation.

After Japan surrendered, the civil war continued which gave birth to PRC and ROC. There was nothing signed, so technically, they are still at war.

Today, PRC-China is arguably a powerhouse in Asia. Be it in sports, military, economy. Their military could have no legitimate experience in conquering territories, but their products sure knows how to conquer the world. The mouse and keyboard you are currently using could be from them.

PRC signed the code of conduct for S.China Sea to show they are willing to explore and share the resources rather than bully others militarily.

The recent US Navy research vessel incident was too close for comfort of the PRC-Chinese. In such a situation, any country might react similarly (but not to the extent of stripping their clothes as claimed) with their nemesis loitering near the backyard (such action was prevalent during the cold war era). And note that the ships which harrassed the US Navy vessel were presumably "civilian" ships.

So it can be assumed there is no reason for AFP to be concerned of the PRC Military (because they dont want to go to war and waste their economic gains). But, it should also be noted that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was successful because the US have been complacent they will not be attacked.

peejay202

March 15th, 2009, 08:37 AM

Have been viewing this thread for quite a long time.. OT: Suggestion lang: the more you make patol to trolls, the more they become aggressive.. Plain logic and reasoning won't convince them because being a troll is their main essence for existing.. Better yet, ignore them.. haha!! :D

higen

March 15th, 2009, 08:59 AM

^^No argument there...Like the signature by the way...Makes sense...

Arciga_01

March 15th, 2009, 10:35 AM

Troll nyo pagmumukha nyo :)

Walang pagasa ang AFP, PAF at PN na umunlad pa PERIOD. Masaydo kayong umaasa...

peejay202

March 15th, 2009, 10:37 AM

^^ REMEMBER THIS: YOU SHALL EAT YOUR OWN WORDS ONE DAY :)

Arciga_01

March 15th, 2009, 10:39 AM

Tingnan natin. If it never improves and restore its former glory where takot lahat ng neighbors natin..

REMEMBER THIS: YOU SHALL ALSO EAT YOUR OWN WORDS ONE DAY

:)

peejay202

March 15th, 2009, 10:44 AM

higen

March 15th, 2009, 10:46 AM

Troll nyo pagmumukha nyo :)

Walang pagasa ang AFP, PAF at PN na umunlad pa PERIOD. Masaydo kayong umaasa...

Tingnan natin. If it never improves and restore its former glory where takot lahat ng neighbors natin..

REMEMBER THIS: YOU SHALL ALSO EAT YOUR OWN WORDS ONE DAY

:)

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::rofl:
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::rofl:

@peejay, I think we need to follow your advice from this point and move along :okay: Unless there are any other takers? :lol: Basta ako magbabasa na lang ng mga posts nya at tatawa na lang ng tatawa...:lol::lol::lol:

"Ingorance has a cure but stupidity has none...If your both, then your a hopeless case..."

Arciga_01

March 15th, 2009, 10:49 AM

^^ Whatever.. Your sooo self-condratictory... YOU JUST ATE YOUR WORDS... :)

AFP will not restore it's former glory, rather, it shall seek it's own glory in the near future guided through wisdom and thoughtful considerations of reality and democracy..

FEAR IS NOT THE FACTOR, BUT RESPECT... :)

Sus, Democracy killed our military in the first place. At the moment, Wala ng respect na natatangap ang military natin mula sa neighbours natin at pinaglalaruan pa tayo (China, Malaysia, Vietnam) na parang laruan :lol:. And So that means, wala na silang vision to restore there former glory? :naughty:

peejay202

March 15th, 2009, 10:50 AM

^^ he's in deep sh**.. Not us.. hehe.. :D

peejay202

March 15th, 2009, 10:51 AM

Sus, Democracy killed our military in the first place. At the moment, Wala ng respect na natatangap ang military natin mula sa neighbours natin at pinaglalaruan pa tayo (China, Malaysia, Vietnam) na parang laruan :lol:. And So that means, wala na silang vision to restore there former glory? :naughty:

TALK TO THE BIRDS.. HAHA!!!:lol:

Igsuonnimo

March 15th, 2009, 10:55 AM

May mga makakapulutang ideya o linamnam ang mga pinagsasabi dito sa thread na ito buhat ng huli o last kong posting.

Pero ang kapansinpansin ay ang pagiging tagumpay ng western media propaganda na ang tunggalian ay naka-sentro lamang sa US-China, Democracy-Maoism/Deng Era economy, Stalinist Korea, military budget/expenditure at kung ano ano pa na magbibigay inpormasyon at dagdag kaalaman upang pahinain pa ang kasalukuyang estado ng establisyementong militar ng bansa.

May binanggit pa na era noong Pinoy-Kano gerahan. Samantalang may matututunan tayo sa kasaysayan ng India, Mughal Empire hanggang sa mapasakamay ito ng Great Britain.
Ang kaalaman kung paano nahati ang Roman Empire hanggang Byzantium tungo sa Ottoman hegemony ay may saysay din.

Nag-aaral tayo ng kasaysayan hindi lamang sa kung papaano naging lider si George Washington, Tatay Napoleon, General Rommel, Wellington, Gen C.P. Romulo at dahil na rin kung bakit siya/sila sinusunod ng kanilang mga tauhan. Kung papaano sila tinatangngkilik ng kanikanilang mga subjects.

Isa sa magandang halimbawa ay itong sa North Korea.
Kahit na anong baho ang tawag sa kanilang Armed Forces na Stalinist daw ng western media, pero sa pananaw ng kanilang taumbayan ay bida itong N.Korea. Abangan nyo ang kanilang satellite launch sa susunod na mga linggo. Diba't nakaka bilib?

Itong TNI(o Indonesian Armed Foces), noong nakaraang dekada lang ay hindi maganda ang kanilang rekord sa East Timor, noong halos ilang taon lang ang nakakaraan ay mayroon silang ACEH issues --pero nagawa nilang makapag-prodyus ng isang military lider na tatangkilikin ng masa, ay ito ang katauhan ni Susilo.
Mabilis na napag-usapan ang kapayapaan.

Ang giriang India-Pakistan, at kung papaano ito napalamig o kalmante.
May mga aral na matututunan tayo sa kanila.

Sa AFP, kahit na anong benipisyo o media cosmetic, kailangan na malaman ng mga kabataan at susunod na salinlahi kung ano ang naging role nila noong mga nagdaang taon. Lalo na noong panahon ng Amerikano kung bakit ganito na lang pananaw natin sa mga uring api lalo na ang mga nasa kanayunan, na ang pagkakalason sa isipan ay mga komunista raw.
Samantalang ang mga kapatid nating Muslim sa Mindanao na humihingi ng pagkilala ay tinuturing na mga bandido o renegade of the society?
Ano ba ang BASILAN sa kasaysayan ng Pransiya, ConchinChina at kaharian ng Espanya at ang mga pesetas nagsilbing bilihan?

Insecure sa isa't isa ang dahilang kung bakit ganito ang Armed Forces natin.

Ganito ba ang itinuro nila Thomas Jefferson, John Persing, Claro M. Recto at Abdul Tunku Rahman?

Teka balik muna ako dun sa Cold War.

Cold war partially ended last December 31,1999 with Yelsin resignation.
Part of the Y2K exercises was to pre-empt the push button scenario between the two super powers.

Ang ideyolohiya na isinusulong ng magkabilang kampo sa bansa natin ay kayang tapatan ni "Tito ng Eat Bulaga sa pamamagitan ng kanyang OK sign".

Hindi ba't ganito ang nangyayari sa Pinas o sa atin kahit saan man lupalop ng daigdig?
Demokrasyang pera pera lang? O Volunterism na natutunan natin sa Subic noong panahon ni Gordon sa Olongapo?

Kamusta ka na kapatid...