^^Good luck sa pag ban ng computer components. Umpisahan mo sa PC mo un pag ban ng made in china computers and parts :lol:

inumpisahan ko na! basta lenovo at apple mga made in china yan, yung company na pinapasukan ko nag produce ng billions of ICs pero hinde made in china, kaya may buhay kahit walang made in china,..:cheers:

I think the Leopards should mainly be based in Cagayan valley northern Luzon and Pangasinan which are mainly low lying plains they can wade through rivers so they don't have to damage any provincial bridges, but specific roads and bridges can be earmarked for normal road transport .

A few can probably be sent to Mindanao to make the rebels piss their pants(er) a bit ... .

a few?... tsk2x anong gagawin ng MBT's sa Luzon? display sa parada? hehehe katulad nung bagong helicopters (SOKOL: COMBAT UTILITY HELOS) na hindi ko nakita dito nag operate sa Mindanao ginawa yatang display sa parada tsaka service ng mga Heneral sa GHQ papuntang Boni....

sa Southern Mindanao (Lanao, Cotobato) kamo mas patag... magamit pangontra sa mga rebeldeng may RPG, kung pwede sana i post yung video nakuha namin na.ambush ng RPG sunog yung APC (M113) which has thicker armor than the SIMBA sa Lanao...

if you buy new equipment for warfare use it sa gyera, hindi binili yan pang display... puro PSYOPS lng sa mga Civilian pang picture2x ginagawa, tapos sisihin yung Infantry kasi daw nag re.relax... waaaaah! :cheers:

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A Department of National Defense (DND) official on Friday welcomed with caution the reported plan of the United States to put up an advanced radar system in the Philippines that could detect ballistic missiles launched from China.

DND spokesperson Peter Galvez said the department has yet to receive any formal communication from the Americans about the plan to put up a land-based X-Band radar system in the Philippines, which was reported in the Wall Street Journal.

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Filipino, Chinese officers sing ‘Scarborough Fair’
DAVAO CITY—High-ranking Filipino and Chinese military officers shared seats on a bus here and sang together “Scarborough Fair” as they toured the city on Thursday afternoon.

“We call this military diplomacy,” said Maj. Gen. Francisco Cruz Jr., deputy chief of staff for intelligence (J2) of the Armed Forces of the Philippines.

The tour of the city was part of bonding between Cruz, Senior Col. Wang Jinbo and Maj. Li Yan of China, and eight other high-ranking military officers from the United States and Japan who belonged to the Foreign Armed Forces Attaché Corps (Fafa).

Cruz said that although tensions between the Philippines and China over the Panatag Shoal (Scarborough Shoal) in the West Philippine Sea remained, he and his Chinese counterparts did not let the territorial dispute get in the way of their fellowship.

“We’re even joking about it,” Cruz said.

Sing-along

Then he and the other officers, including Fafa dean Col. Yuki Masuzaki of Japan and Col. Richard Matton of the United States, asked the Chinese if they knew the Simon and Gargunkel song “Scarborough Fair.”

(Editor’s Note: The superduo Simon and Garfunkel popularized the song in the 1970s.)

“We asked the Chinese to sing along with ‘Scarborough Fair,’” Cruz said. “We taught them how to sing it.”

Turning serious, Cruz said the Panatag Shoal dispute was a “legal debate” and not “a military issue,” that’s why officers from both sides easily shook off the tension it caused between the Philippines and China.

Diplomats talking

Cruz said the tension in the West Philippine Sea was easing because “the diplomats are talking.”

“The Scarborough issue lies quiet right now. There are signs that the situation is improving,” Cruz said.

“If the generals of different countries have harmonious relationship, there will be no war,” he added.

The 11 Fafa members took in the tourist destinations here and on nearby Samal Island, where they visited the Pearl Farm.

They also visited the prayer mountain of televangelist Apolonio Quiboloy in Barangay Tamayong here.

At the prayer mountain, Cruz said, they were treated to choir music, good food, and a tour of the 12-hectare compound.

Military diplomacy

He said the tour was part of the “military diplomacy” that defense attachés from different countries do twice a year to increase friendship and camaraderie among the militaries of the world.

“Last year, we were in Cebu,” he said. “Scarborough or no Scarborough, the activity continues,” he added.

Read more (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/48022/filipino-chinese-officers-sing-scarborough-fair)

a few?... tsk2x anong gagawin ng MBT's sa Luzon? display sa parada? hehehe katulad nung bagong helicopters (SOKOL: COMBAT UTILITY HELOS) na hindi ko nakita dito nag operate sa Mindanao ginawa yatang display sa parada tsaka service ng mga Heneral sa GHQ papuntang Boni....

Hindi ko nga alam kung bakit bibili ng mbt's lol dahil it's not really much use for our country im just playing along noting where imo these mbt's can best be based, hindi naman very effective ang tanks sa jungle and hilly terrains semi urban maybe but it will really be alot of hassle to use them, for me the mbt's are more useful for coup attempts in the ncr and to repel an unlikely Chinese invasion of Luzon .

For the rebels i prefer the Nexter Cesar canon 155 mm sp guns to be used in conjunction with the Super Tucano's if they are still procuring those in order to provide instant heavy fire support to pound rebels .

If you spot rebels call it in whitin a few minutes 2 or 3 dozen 155 mm shells can carpet an entire area anyone in that zone will be shredded to pieces or suffer a massive headache and shock if they survive so there won't be much resistance, it's much more effective than tanks imo .

So i really hope they get some modern SP guns these things aren't as expensive as helicopters or jet's so the dnd should be able to afford even a dozen, a dozen such canons each covering a radius of 80 km should be enough to provide instant cover for most of western Mindanao even one on Basilan would be sufficient to cover the entire island .

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For me the role for the armored division as a counterattack to push the enemy back to the sea. Example of German victory against American landing.

I know Italy is not jungle but the area is mountainous. Fact.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cisterna

All guns (sort of) blazing: Japan shows how to pull off a ‘real’ military exercise
These equipments we need.

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/japan-military-exercise.jpg

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We need to buy these armaments immediately after buying those Italian warships..

Photos of PN officials conducting an inspection of a Maestrale class frigate in Italy ...

http://www.mikeinmanila.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/ph-navy-inspecting-maestral.jpg

http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m335/filipinas40/PNMaestrale.jpg

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Acquisition for 24 units of Abram main battle tank for Philippine Army are under consideration http://storify.com/sofiamay014/acquisition-for-24-units-of-abram-main-battle-tank

^^
What are they thinking?

First the Abram is now vulnerable to RPG-7.
Second no extra added armor protection.
Third that tank suck.

Photos of PN officials conducting an inspection of a Maestrale class frigate in Italy ...

Nice

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Yeah the Abrams is too big .. .

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For the marines ... .

From how modernization is happening so far, it seems that The Navy is the most successful due to it's acquisition of various frigates.

And it would be better for The Navy to acquire a number of frigates and corvettes rather than destroyers if talking about warships.

Soon, hopefully it can acquire some subs as well. The Philippine Navy does not need any aircraft carrier since we don't have overseas interests unlike The US or Great Britain. In fact The UK only has one active aircraft carrier which is more for helicopter use.

As for the army, it does not need those large MBT but better off acquiring mobile gun system just like The Canadian M1128.

And for the PAF, there have been no updates on what is happening with it's LIFT plan especially The TA-50.

Wala na atang balak umalis ang mga amerikano sa Mindanao. Balita ko dito sa Zamboanga may mga buildings na naman sila ipapatayo sa loob ng Camp Navarro para gagamitin nila. :lol:

We didn't get most of those war equipment through a defense contract, they were actually donated to us as excess defense articles because South Korea doesn't know where to dispose them.



There you go! If the T/A-50 will have the same doctrine that we used for the F-5 then that only means to say that the T/A-50 will also be our next fighter jet!

lol..to correct your assumption about SK donating EDA's, those trucks and K-3's were bought brand new thru a bidding.

PKM's PN's batillo class were the donations..and IIRC a couple of F-5's

TA/50's are a step towards MRF's..short term/midterm it will function as LIFTs.

^^
What are they thinking?

First the Abram is now vulnerable to RPG-7.
Second no extra added armor protection.
Third that tank suck.

Are you sure that M1A1 Abrams tank is vulnerable to RPG-7? :lol:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/RPG-7_detached.jpg/640px-RPG-7_detached.jpg

Probably you mean RPG-29.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/RPG-29_USGov.JPG/640px-RPG-29_USGov.JPG

paano kung may fighterjet nanaman sa Spratley na nanggugulo ang ipapadala ba ng Pilipinas ay T-50? Gagawin nya doon? pagdating ng T-50 sa Spratley ay after 10 seconds ay balik na kaagad sa base?

From FB PN
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It readsSino-American Friendship Maintain World Peace

really??
Ok Whatever you say, Chicoms.

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Speaking of Chicoms, look what I found:lol:

US insists missile defence targets Pyongyang, not Beijing (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/us-insists-missile-defence-targets-pyongyang-not-beijing-075002097.html)


Beijing/Washington (China Daily/ANN) - Washington's plan to expand an advanced missile-defence system in Asia is directed at Pyongyang, not Beijing, the US State Department said on Thursday...

Hmm. For once, the behos are right to be suspicious.
Pyongyang can't even make a missile get off the ground:lol::lol::lol:
Papa Sugar must be running out of good excuses.
At least the baby damulag is happy now!!:lol:

umpisahan na yan. Nakakatawa ung post sa site.

paano kung may fighterjet nanaman sa Spratley na nanggugulo ang ipapadala ba ng Pilipinas ay T-50? Gagawin nya doon? pagdating ng T-50 sa Spratley ay after 10 seconds ay balik na kaagad sa base?

Una, may distancia parin ang mga disputed claims natin mula sa pinakamalapit na airbase ng PLAF.

Magagawa na ng Tsina yan kung meron na silang aircraft carrier.

Ang TA-50 ay pang training para sa mga piloto natin at para mag intercept ng mga aircraft na lumilipad sa airspace natin.

Una, may distancia parin ang mga disputed claims natin mula sa pinakamalapit na airbase ng PLAF.

Magagawa na ng Tsina yan kung meron na silang aircraft carrier.

Ang TA-50 ay pang training para sa mga piloto natin at para mag intercept ng mga aircraft na lumilipad sa airspace natin.



It wont take long befor maging fully operational carrier ng China. The thing masyadong is short-legged yung T-50 for intercept and escort roles sa Spratley.

Incase merong skirmish mangyari doon ay mas lalong liliit ang range ng T-50 dahil sa mga extra missiles na karga nya and kung sakali may droptanks naman limited armanents madadala nya.

May plan ba for full MRF in this administration or pure LIFT lang and hope na kukuha ang next administration ng real MRF ng airforce?

From FB PN
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It reads

really??
Ok Whatever you say, Chicoms.

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Peace was spelt wrongly. It should have been "piss":lol:

Propagandista!

Photos of PN officials conducting an inspection of a Maestrale class frigate in Italy ...

http://www.mikeinmanila.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/ph-navy-inspecting-maestral.jpg

http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m335/filipinas40/PNMaestrale.jpg

Mukhang magkakatotoo na nga ang Maestrale frigate para sa PN dahil ganito rin ang ginawa nila bago bilhin ang 2 Hamilton class cutters!

^^
What are they thinking?

First the Abram is now vulnerable to RPG-7.
Second no extra added armor protection.
Third that tank suck.

There is what you call the Tank Urban Survival Kit (TUSK) which is a series of improvements to the M1 Abrams tank that is intended to improve its fighting ability in urban environments.

See http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/street-fighters-m1-abrams-tusk-tank-conversions-updated-02546/

And for the PAF, there have been no updates on what is happening with it's LIFT plan especially The TA-50.

Yeah! What happened to the so-called freebies that came with the TA-50 acquisition? :ohno:

rpg-7 cannot hurt the thick armour of abrams, why the DND plan of buying those mbts are simply waste of meager budget for our defense they can buy instead long range artillery and mobile multiple rocket launcher systems and place the potential landing area of the pirates beachhead into a pre-defined target coordinates and burn the pirates as they step into the kill zone, or they can use it against their lapdogs the local commies and their unarmed cohorts rallying without a cause,..
that t-50s are also a waste of money as it will not serve any purpose in interception, interdiction and head-on against the xerox sukhois of the pirates, much less it can give a feeling of protection or deterrence in our claims in the west philippine sea, they can rather mend their shortsightedness by heeding a study to station mobile cruise missile ASM and umbrellas of AAM mobile launchers across the stretch of palawan. cruise missile will absolutely create a psycological impact on the pirates loitering in the WPS including the Vayag (less) aircraft carrier which they cannot operate because of the lack of tech-know-how in designing an arrester:ohno:

It wont take long befor maging fully operational carrier ng China. The thing masyadong is short-legged yung T-50 for intercept and escort roles sa Spratley.

Incase merong skirmish mangyari doon ay mas lalong liliit ang range ng T-50 dahil sa mga extra missiles na karga nya and kung sakali may droptanks naman limited armanents madadala nya.

May plan ba for full MRF in this administration or pure LIFT lang and hope na kukuha ang next administration ng real MRF ng airforce?

I'm only talking about designated Philippine airspace which excludes Spratlys.

rpg-7 cannot hurt the thick armour of abrams,

Except the side, rear,under the hull, roof and the driver front armor joints. Only a well aimer can do that.

Bayan Muna demands deferral of Defense modernization budget (http://bulatlat.com/main/2012/08/24/bayan-muna-demands-deferral-of-defense-modernization-budget/)

Mukhang may natatakot..yung Bayad Muna aka Beijing Muna :lol:

Mukhang bitter at Akbayan ang pinili ni Noynoy :lol:

^^Dyan sa article mukhang Communication gadgets at GPS ang kinuquestioned nya na overpriced daw. Maganda imbestigahan kung may katotohanan yung mga numbers na sinsabi nya na overpriced. Pero masama lang eh buong budget gusto nya idefer..no way..

^^ Yup, siguro yung portion lang na questionable. Pero buong budget? :lol:

Parang natatakot ata sila na lalakas ang AFP :lol:

^^Pero nakakapagtaka ha.. di nya kinuweston iyong allocation ng ibang budget like iyong mismong pagbili ng maestralle class worth 11-12 billion pesos, LIFT, citing old reason na mas madami pang kelangan unahin like education, housing..etc...oh baka naman di lang nacapture ng reporter..hehehe

^^ Mukahng mastakot sila sa GPS at communications upgrade kesa sa warships, etc.... :lol: Bakamatrack daw sila ng gobyerno :lol:

It wont take long befor maging fully operational carrier ng China. The thing masyadong is short-legged yung T-50 for intercept and escort roles sa Spratley.

Incase merong skirmish mangyari doon ay mas lalong liliit ang range ng T-50 dahil sa mga extra missiles na karga nya and kung sakali may droptanks naman limited armanents madadala nya.

May plan ba for full MRF in this administration or pure LIFT lang and hope na kukuha ang next administration ng real MRF ng airforce?

Mukang sa susunod na administrasyon ang plano na mag acquire ng MRF pero tignan natin kung ano ang magiging plano ni Aquino.

Kahit fully operational ang aircraft carrier ng China, carrier capable ba ang mga MRFs nila?

Mukang sa susunod na administrasyon ang plano na mag acquire ng MRF pero tignan natin kung ano ang magiging plano ni Aquino.

If the next administration has the same mindset. :cheers:

They may think the TA-50 as "pwede na" for a fighter jet just like what previous administrations thought about the AS-211 when we still have plenty of them!


Kahit fully operational ang aircraft carrier ng China, carrier capable ba ang mga MRFs nila?

China is developing a dedicated carrier-based fighter jet for its aircraft carrier called the Shenyang J-15 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-15) which was rumored to be an unlicensed copy of the Russian carrier-based fighter jet, the Sukhoi Su-33.

http://64.19.142.11/farm6.static.flickr.com/5242/5267815924_ecf734e92c_o_d.jpg

^^ Mukahng mastakot sila sa GPS at communications upgrade kesa sa warships, etc.... :lol: Bakamatrack daw sila ng gobyerno :lol:
googleearth lang kaya na sila i-track:lol:

^^Dyan sa article mukhang Communication gadgets at GPS ang kinuquestioned nya na overpriced daw. Maganda imbestigahan kung may katotohanan yung mga numbers na sinsabi nya na overpriced. Pero masama lang eh buong budget gusto nya idefer..no way..

Baka kinacompare nila ang price sa walkie talkie like this

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to this

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:nuts: :lol:

AFP Welcomes 134 New Officers (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/afp-welcomes-134-officers-123033282.html)
Manila Bulletin – 16 hours ago

MANILA, Philippines - The Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) welcomed to its ranks 134 newly commissioned officers from the Army, Air Force, and Navy who recently finished the ''Pre-Entry Courses for Officers.''

AFP spokesman Colonel Arnulfo Marcelo Burgos Jr. said the 134 newly commissioned officers include 33 cadets from the Philippine Army Officer Candidate Course (PAOCS), 57 from the Philippine Air Force Officer Candidate School (PAFOCS), and 44 from the Naval Officers Candidate Course (NOCC) who successfully completed their one-year of training as candidate officers of the armed forces.

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin graced the joint graduation ceremony, along with AFP Chief of Staff General Jessie D. Dellosa.

Gazmin, Dellosa, and the Major Service commanders also facilitated the awarding of the Secretary of National Defense Saber, the CSAFP Medal and Plaque, and the Major Service Commander and Flag Officer, and Command Awards to the top graduates of each class.

During the ceremony, the Adjutant General, Brigadier General Rolando B. Jungco read the commissionship order to the candidates, officially making them members of the regular force of the AFP.

The candidates also took their oath as commissioned officers of the AFP, followed by their induction to the Officer Candidate School Alumni Association.

The officer candidate schools established in the three Major Services train civilians and enlisted personnel who are baccalaureate degree holders to be future members of the AFP regular force.

The one-year course prepares an officer candidate with a rank of Probationary Second Lieutenant and Probationary Ensign to be mentally, physically, and emotionally fit to earn a commission as an officer in the Army, Air Force, and Navy.

In his speech during the ceremony, Gazmin quoted a message from the President and AFP Commander-in-Chief Benigno S. Aquino III, as he stated: ''You carry on your shoulders the task of ensuring the rule of law not for the interest of the few but for the betterment of our people. I know that you left the private sector and joined the service, not to bask in power but to uphold the integrity but more importantly to herald hope in communities devastated by strife and misunderstanding.''

Dellosa, for his part, told the graduates: ''You've made the choice of joining the military service, and now you are reaping the fruits of 48 weeks of hard labor. I express my congratulations for this very significant achievement in your life, along with the confidence that you will continue to follow the tradition of excellence and selfless service of the AFP.''

''The hard work that you have invested in accomplishing the pre-entry courses will surely lead to a very fulfilling opportunity to serve your country and your fellow Filipinos. I hope that you will live up to the expectations attached in your designations as new commissioned officers of the AFP,'' Dellosa added.

^^Pero nakakapagtaka ha.. di nya kinuweston iyong allocation ng ibang budget like iyong mismong pagbili ng maestralle class worth 11-12 billion pesos, LIFT, citing old reason na mas madami pang kelangan unahin like education, housing..etc...oh baka naman di lang nacapture ng reporter..hehehe

Even the US has still the same problems about these things. China is worse they barely have social services for the poor and the aged. :nuts: :ohno:

mukhang napaka impossible naman ng Abrams na bibilhin ng Pinas, e sa bigat na 60 tons meron kayang tulay na kakayanin ito?:)

Speaking of Chicoms, look what I found:lol:



Hmm. For once, the behos are right to be suspicious.
Pyongyang can't even make a missile get off the ground:lol::lol::lol:
Papa Sugar must be running out of good excuses.
At least the baby damulag is happy now!!:lol:

Syempre, kasama na yan. Package deal kasi eh. :lol::lol:

Maganda dyan ay abolish nalang lahat ng party list and yung budget nila ay ilipat lahat sa Defense.

Baka kinacompare nila ang price sa walkie talkie like this

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to this

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:nuts: :lol:
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Uso pa ba yan?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Uso pa ba yan?

:lol: at the comparison.

VHF transceivers are very useful in disaster management operations, especially when the cellsites are down due to damage or absence of electrical power.

an old news

Navy studying if PH needs to buy submarine
MANILA, Philippines -- President Benigno Aquino III said the Philippine Navy is now conducting a study on whether or not it would be practical for the country to acquire its first submarine.

“That is being studied by our Navy – whether or not it is practical and whether or not it meets our needs,” Aquino said in an interview after touring the Navy’s latest and fastest surface combat-ready vessel, BRP Gregorio del Pilar.

Aquino noted that in 1998, a regional neighbor bought submarines from the Eastern bloc only to find out the vessels were not fit for tropical weather.

Submarines are equipped with sensors and radars that can monitor movement on the surface, and even identify nearby ships using propeller signatures.

The Philippine Navy is reportedly planning to acquire its first submarine, which can cost billions of dollars, not later than 2020.Read more (http://www.interaksyon.com/article/11573/navy-studying-if-ph-needs-to-buy-submarinebmarine)

an old news

Navy studying if PH needs to buy submarine
Read more (http://www.interaksyon.com/article/11573/navy-studying-if-ph-needs-to-buy-submarinebmarine)

Shallow Water Diesel Electric Powered Fast Attack Submarines (2 planned) which will be named BRP Lapu-Lapu and the other one I don't know but it will also be a fish name...

Probably BRP Imelda? :lol: :lol: :lol:

^^Pwede rin BRP Galunggong :lol:

^^Pwede rin BRP Galunggong :lol:
Pwede hehehehe:lol::lol:

Yeah, according to PN Ship Naming Convention, submarines should be named after fishes. The question now is the fish is in Tagalog or in English.

Yeah, according to PN Ship Naming Convention, submarines should be named after fishes. The question now is the fish is in Tagalog or in English.

Right! :cheers:

Is there an English translation for BRP Lapu-Lapu or is it already an internationally recognized name?

Lapu-Lapu for me sounds perfect for our 1st Philippine Navy submarine because it is the name of both a fish and a national hero.

Right! :cheers:

Is there an English translation for BRP Lapu-Lapu or is it already an internationally recognized name?

Lapu-Lapu for me sounds perfect for our 1st Philippine Navy submarine because it is the name of both a fish and a national hero.

The English equivalent for lapu-lapu is grouper.

Either way, it sounds fine. After all, Maestrale of Maestrale class frigate actually means mistral (a type of Mediterranean wind) in Italian. :)

I'm curious on the naming of ship class especially warships, subs, etc.

For example, when The Philippine Navy acquired the Gregorio Del Pilar which is a Hamilton Class, which the class name be localized?

I'm curious on the naming of ship class especially warships, subs, etc.

For example, when The Philippine Navy acquired the Gregorio Del Pilar which is a Hamilton Class, which the class name be localized?

Yes the lead ship of the class with the new local name will also be used as the new local class name.

Example:

Peacock class corvettes acquired from the British Royal Navy HK Squadron in 1997, the lead ship was HMS Peacock and it was renamed BRP Emilio Jacinto therefore the entire Peacock class was renamed Emilio Jacinto class in PN service.

BRP Gregorio Del Pilar is the 1st Hamilton class cutter acquired by the Philippine Navy and is formerly known as USCGC Hamilton therefore all Hamilton class cutters that will be put into PN service will belong to the class name Gregorio Del Pilar class.

DFA: China keeps presence at Scarborough
PNoy still hasn't ordered ships to return near disputed shoal

MANILA, Philippines - China has maintained its naval presence in waters of the disputed Scarborough Shoal just off Zambales province, Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario said Monday.

Three Chinese maritime surveillance ships were spotted in the area, according to the last surveillance report received 2 weeks ago by the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA), del Rosario said in an interview with radio dzMM.

"These are Chinese maritime surveillance vessels equivalent to our Coast Guard that are outside of the shoal," he said.

Scarborough Shoal, which is called Panatag and Bajo de Masinloc by the Philippines and Huangyan by China, triggered a standoff between the two countries in April.

The atoll is being claimed by the two countries.

"The Chinese maintain a presence outside the Bajo de Masinloc," del Rosario said.

"Wala ho kaming nakitang -- doon sa report ho -- wala ho kaming nakitang fishing vessels [We did not see--based on the report--we did not see any fishing vessels]," he said.

The DFA chief said bad weather could be preventing China from deploying more ships to the area.

"Masama ang weather doon ngayon. I think purposely, both countries are trying to limit the exposure of vessels to the bad weather," he said.

He added that no Philippine ship is in the shoal's waters.

"We don't have a persence there right now," he said. "The President is contemplating on when we will resume our presence there."

Del Rosario, who was in China Sunday to visit ailing Philippine Ambassador Sonia Brady, said he also met with his Chinese counterpart, Yang Jiechi.

"Noong bumisita po kami sa Beijing, we took the opportunity to meet with the foreign minister of China and we had actually a very positive meeting," he said.

"We discussed in very broad strokes the need to find ways to be back on track in terms of the bilaterial relations, which we agreed would be moved forward while we (discuss) contentious issues with them separately like the West Philippine Sea," he added.

He mentioned an agreement approved by President Benigno Aquino and his Chinese counterpart, Hu Jintao, on improving Beijing-Manila relations.

"We need to get back on track," del Rosario said.

He said he invited Yang to visit the Philippines.

"He said he will look for a convenient date," the DFA chief said. "He said he will try too see when he will come." Read more (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/08/27/12/dfa-china-keeps-presence-scarborough)

Yeah, according to PN Ship Naming Convention, submarines should be named after fishes. The question now is the fish is in Tagalog or in English.

So when are we gonna have BRP Bangus?:lol:

Peace was spelt wrongly. It should have been "piss":lol:

Chicoms have always been snakes. Thier last clash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis) with Papa Sugar proves it. And we all know that's not the only proof.

'China, may bagong project sa Spratlys'
BEIJING - Sinimulan na rin umano ng China ang pagtatayo ng sewage at waste disposal facilities sa itinatatag nitong "Sansha City" sa pinag-aagawang teritoryo sa West Philippine Sea.

Una nang umani ng batikos ang China mula sa ibang mga claimant states, kasama ang Pilipinas, kasunod nang pagtatag nito ng military garrison sa binuong "Spratly government."

Para lalo pang higpitan ang pag-aangkin nito sa mga pinag-aagawang teritoryo sa rehiyon, itinaas ng China ang administrative status ng Spratlys, Paracel at Macclesfield bank islands. Read more (http://www.bomboradyo.com/story-of-the-day/127239-china-may-bagong-project-sa-spratlys)

So when are we gonna have BRP Bangus?:lol:

On or before 2020 is the projected year of submarine acquisition.

The Philippine Navy is planning on purchasing its first submarine not later than 2020 depending on political and administrative factors, reports ABS-CBN News. Navy Philippine Fleet spokesman Lt. Rommel Rodriguez said they are undertaking studies and meeting with international experts to assess the feasibility of the project.

http://www.spot.ph/the-feed/48324/philippine-navy-planning-to-purchase-its-first-submarine/

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/nssn/images/nssnvirginia_2.jpg

Do these newly commissioned officers from Officer Candidate Course have the chance of becoming top brass or up to colonels?

Israel buys 30 M346 appro. $1 billion

http://defense-update.com/20120720_israeli-italy-exchange-multi-billion-dollar-defense-contracts.html

Compare 12 TA-50 appro. $591.3 million


Baka mafrustate si Avror at the Beast kung narinig to.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...w/15859651.cms


28 AUG, 2012, 03.42AM IST, REUTERS
Airbus nears $7 bln Philippines order despite US lobbying

MANILA/PARIS: Airbus looks set to win a 50-jet order from Philippine Airlines Inc after US support for Manila in a diplomatic dispute with China failed to give Boeing Co the multibillion-dollar deal, people familiar with the matter said. The order, for approximately 40 narrowbody A320-family jets and 10 long-haul A330s, could net the European firm $7 billion at list prices but is expected to involve hefty discounts as lobbying adds fuel to an ongoing price war.

The deal is expected to be announced at a news conference scheduled for Tuesday in Manila. EADS unit Airbus and Philippines Airlines declined to comment. The head of the national flag carrier, known as PAL, told Reuters this month that it would soon decide between Airbus and Boeing in a contest to renew its mainly Airbus fleet, which includes models from both suppliers. Boeing and Airbus are already locked in a global contest for market share, in some cases more than halving prices to bolster orders of the newly revamped models of best-selling narrowbody jets, industry sources and analysts say.

But a territorial spat in the South China Sea appears to have added a diplomatic dimension to the talks as Washington seeks to cement a growing alignment with Manila on the issue. One person familiar with the matter said there had been significant "commercial and political pressure" on the airline to secure a deal with Boeing. Boeing declined to comment on the negotiations. In Washington, the State Department did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

FUTURE NEEDS

The South China Sea is seen as Asia's biggest potential military flashpoint. Beijing's sovereignty claim over the huge area has set it against Vietnam and the Philippines as the three race to tap possibly huge oil reserves. The United States pledged in April to triple military aid to Manila in 2012 while remaining broadly cautious on defence ties. Philippines President Benigno Aquino visited the United States in June, highlighting the archipelago's growing importance in US thinking and temporarily raising US hopes of a commercial aviation deal benefiting export jobs.

Some industry sources said Tuesday's anticipated deal may not be the last word on PAL's fleet renewal, with potential demand for longer-range, wider-bodied jets up for grabs. The airline has not yet decided its needs but Boeing could start with the advantage of an existing presence, whereas Airbus dominates smaller and medium parts of PAL's fleet, they added. With prestige, jobs and often influence at stake, experts say diplomacy is an occasional weapon in jetliner deals.

A 2005 diplomatic cable released by Wikileaks said US diplomats in Manila were "working closely" with Boeing, which had formally requested diplomatic support for previous efforts to sell the Boeing 777 to PAL, resulting in an order in 2007. Analysts say Airbus - originally a consortium between France, Germany, Britain and Spain - also benefits from diplomatic support from European nations for major contracts. Recent French presidents Jacques Chirac and Nicolas Sarkozy both regularly promoted Airbus overseas, especially in Asia.

Bloomberg reported that Airbus could win a Chinese order for 100 narrowbody jets during a state visit by German Chancellor Angela Merkel. Airbus was not available for comment. China regularly places three-figure plane orders tied to state events held with US or European leaders.
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So if Uncle Sam get snobbed again after lobbying, goodbye Spratlys, next is Palawan...

Hopefully this will be permanent on the US Navy 7th fleet and in Okinawa.
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/304553_10150996610614607_58014265_n.jpg
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150996610614607&set=a.96420944606.91804.83827579606&type=1&theater

I just would like to know what are they are going to study in aquiring a submarine when the indonesia, malaysia, simgaporeans, the japanese, the taiwanese and the americans have a subamarines operating in tropical cilmate. Its how much money you have to afford to get what you want.

Abram is large and fuel consumption is ridiculous gas eater.

There is a critic about the Leopard 2 selling to Indonesia. Must read.
http://theawesomeist.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/indonesia-and-the-leopard-decisions-decisions/

Why not checking the Italian tank Ariete?
http://s17.postimage.org/46lcslpwv/300px_Italian_MBT.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

The weight is less lighter
Height, length width is slight smaller.
The fuel consumption is said reduced.
Gun barrel is not longer.
Climbing is greater at 60%

From wiki:
Moreover, to retain a good power-to-weight ratio, the total weight of the tank had to be kept below 60 tonnes. The relatively light weight of the Ariete helped lower consumption and facilitated the transport and mobility of the MBT (especially over bridges).

sa akin lang mas need natin mga attack heli o di kaya super tucano for COIN operation, kung sa tanks naman kahit na yung wheeled type na lang.:)

parang walang seryoso sa bansa natin na i-ban na lahat ng made in china, including th overhyped Apple brands na assembled in mainland samsung nalang bilhin ninyo, pati yang lenovo na yan i-ban na rin wag na ninyong bilhin marami namang mas maganda kaysa PC brand na yan,..mga toys grabe itinambak na sa pinas! i-ban narin sa government projects at contracts baka maperwesyo pa tayo sa kaungasan ng mga piratang ito,..pati mga gawa nilang truck nalukot na parang lata lang dnaman sana naipit pero napitpit!!!



made in china kac...fake...hahahaha buti nga:nuts::cheers::banana::bash::lol:

Over 60 dead in clashes with BIFF - Army

By: Abigail Kwok, InterAksyon.com
August 28, 2012 2:35 PM

MANILA, Philippines -- Close to a month of fighting between government forces and a breakaway Moro rebel group has left more than 69 people dead, the Army said Tuesday.

Colonel Prudencio Asto, spokesmen of the Army’s 6rth Infantry Dvision, said most of the fatalities were fighters of the Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters, which broke away from the Moro Islamic Liberation Front.

He added that fighting had tapered off since Monday when the military captured a number of BIFF camps.

"It's generally peaceful here because we were able to capture several of their camps. They have nowhere to go," Asto said.

Asto said five soldiers and a policeman have died in the fighting while "scores" of BIFF members were injured.

He said soldiers manning checkpoints have been ordered to be on the lookout for wounded BIFF fighters.

The clashes, which have centered mostly on Maguindanao province, began on August 5 when the rebels attacked military installations.

The BIFF said the attacks were in retaliation for the deaths of two members, which they blamed on the military.

An earlier report from the National Disaster Risk Reduction and Management Council said the fighting had affected 7,800 families. Twenty-two houses also burned down.

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/41657/over-60-dead-in-clashes-with-biff---army

sa akin lang mas need natin mga attack heli o di kaya super tucano for COIN operation, kung sa tanks naman kahit na yung wheeled type na lang.:)
:)

PA needs the skill sets when the real MBT's come in the future. so there is a possibility they'll get some retired tracked armor that packs a 120mm punch to tinker with if ever given for FREE by Italy bundled with some fancy purchases. It's just a slight possibility.

and PA is also looking at the Centauro B1 tank buster thats for sure.
The marines has a smaller FSV packing a 80mm. PA only has Scorpions as FSV. PA uses howitzers to bombard. but if PA has some mobile 120 mms..Imagine how those BIFF's will do...

there are terrains in the archipelago that tracked armor can operate and the same can be said with wheeled armor.

Hopefully this will be permanent on the US Navy 7th fleet and in Okinawa.
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/304553_10150996610614607_58014265_n.jpg
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150996610614607&set=a.96420944606.91804.83827579606&type=1&theater

JSF! Woot!Woot!:cheers:

Over 60 dead in clashes with BIFF - Army

By: Abigail Kwok, InterAksyon.com
August 28, 2012 2:35 PM

MANILA, Philippines -- Close to a month of fighting between government forces and a breakaway Moro rebel group has left more than 69 people dead, the Army said Tuesday.

Colonel Prudencio Asto, spokesmen of the Army’s 6rth Infantry Dvision, said most of the fatalities were fighters of the Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters, which broke away from the Moro Islamic Liberation Front.

He added that fighting had tapered off since Monday when the military captured a number of BIFF camps.

"It's generally peaceful here because we were able to capture several of their camps. They have nowhere to go," Asto said.

Asto said five soldiers and a policeman have died in the fighting while "scores" of BIFF members were injured.

He said soldiers manning checkpoints have been ordered to be on the lookout for wounded BIFF fighters.

The clashes, which have centered mostly on Maguindanao province, began on August 5 when the rebels attacked military installations.

The BIFF said the attacks were in retaliation for the deaths of two members, which they blamed on the military.

An earlier report from the National Disaster Risk Reduction and Management Council said the fighting had affected 7,800 families. Twenty-two houses also burned down.

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/41657/over-60-dead-in-clashes-with-biff---army

i hope our AFP will not rest in their hot asses pursuing the BIFF before they can re-group, re-arm, recuperate, recruit and do another guerrilla warfare and draining once again our AFPs limited resources as we shift on external defense and at this moment where we have a decisive period in talking peace with the MILF,..let's mop up these BIFF vagabonds, bandits and criminals!!!:cheers:

Israel buys 30 M346 appro. $1 billion

http://defense-update.com/20120720_israeli-italy-exchange-multi-billion-dollar-defense-contracts.html

Compare 12 TA-50 appro. $591.3 million


Baka mafrustate si Avror at the Beast kung narinig to.

matagal nako frustrated jan sa planned purchase nila ng T-50 lalo na ngayun na sumobra na ang presyo ng eroplano talagang may malaking katanungan na di na dapat ipaliwanag ng mahaba sa mga nakakaintinde kung bakit nila itinuloy ang mga yan,..ayaw ko nang ma-ban pa para lang ipagsigawan itong mga di kanais-nais at walang kaplano-planong pagbili ng mga eroplanong ito na wala namang objective bkit binili ito at gawing pagn protection sa WPS???kalukuhan ito di ako naniniwala na sa mga nag decide at bumili nito mali na ito nung una pa man,..mas lalo pang naging obvious ng ang presyo ay kasing mahal na ng Super Hornet,..tsk tsk tsk:ohno:

:)

PA needs the skill sets when the real MBT's come in the future. so there is a possibility they'll get some retired tracked armor that packs a 120mm punch to tinker with if ever given for FREE by Italy bundled with some fancy purchases. It's just a slight possibility.

and PA is also looking at the Centauro B1 tank buster thats for sure.
The marines has a smaller FSV packing a 80mm. PA only has Scorpions as FSV. PA uses howitzers to bombard. but if PA has some mobile 120 mms..Imagine how those BIFF's will do...

there are terrains in the archipelago that tracked armor can operate and the same can be said with wheeled armor.

nicely said mate.:cheers:

matagal nako frustrated jan sa planned purchase nila ng T-50 lalo na ngayun na sumobra na ang presyo ng eroplano talagang may malaking katanungan na di na dapat ipaliwanag ng mahaba sa mga nakakaintinde kung bakit nila itinuloy ang mga yan,..ayaw ko nang ma-ban pa para lang ipagsigawan itong mga di kanais-nais at walang kaplano-planong pagbili ng mga eroplanong ito na wala namang objective bkit binili ito at gawing pagn protection sa WPS???kalukuhan ito di ako naniniwala na sa mga nag decide at bumili nito mali na ito nung una pa man,..mas lalo pang naging obvious ng ang presyo ay kasing mahal na ng Super Hornet,..tsk tsk tsk:ohno:

have you ever wondered what are included in the package? training modules?multi year logistic support? technical support? weapons and simulators?

Israel has long been an operator of MRF's, they aren't amatuers in handling sophisticated systems while we are just making some infant steps towards what Israel have achieved in decades.

If we buy Super hornets outright..how much time do you think PAF will need to get those birds in the air? what does the super hornets need to be able to fly?

if we put PAF pilots who handled s211's right into some MRF such as FA-18. Can he handle it? Paano pag bumagsak at magcrash iyon?

Gov't buying P66 million worth of rifles

By Alexis Romero (philstar.com) Updated August 28, 2012 04:39 PM

MANILA, Philippines- The Department of National Defense (DND) will acquire P66 million worth of rifles for the Philippine Marine Corps in line with its efforts to upgrade the military’s capability.

A bid bulletin signed by DND Assistant Secretary Ernesto Boac showed that the opening of bids for the project will be on Sept. 13.

The government has allotted P66 million for the acquisition of 120 units of 7.62 mm designated marksman rifles with integrated logistics support.

Bidders should have completed within five years from the date of submission and receipt of bids a contract similar to the project.

The DND will adhere to open competitive bidding procedures as provided by the implementing rules of the procurement law.

"Bidding is open to all interested bidders, whether local or foreign, subject to the conditions for eligibility,” DND said.

Interested parties may buy bid documents worth P50,000 from the DND Bids and Awards Committee.

The DND will hold a pre-bid conference on Aug. 30 at the DND office in Camp Aguinaldo to provide prospective bidders more information about the project.

The deadline for the submission of bids will be on Sept. 13. The offers will be opened on the same day. Bids that are higher than the approved budget of contract will be rejected.

The products being offered are eligible if they are being used by the military of the company's country of origin or by the armed forces of at least two countries.

The Aquino administration has vowed to provide the military the necessary equipment and assets to enable it to perform its mandate.

For the Navy, the government plans to acquire strategic sea-lift vessels with amphibious vessels, off-shore patrol vessels, three naval helicopters, coast watch stations and weather-heavy endurance cutters.

The Army would be given new assault rifles, armor assets, tanks, armored personnel carriers, force protection equipment like helmets and bulletproof vests, night-fighting equipment and radios.

Meanwhile, the government would buy surface attack aircraft, air defense radars, long-range patrol aircraft and closed air support aircraft for the Air Force.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=842806&publicationSubCategoryId=200

Duda ako ang dami na binuhos mga pera at a shortest period of month. D kaya sinoli mga kinuha nila?

Anyway they should built a weapons and ammunitions plant to increase more jobs instead of buying imports.

have you ever wondered what are included in the package? training modules?multi year logistic support? technical support? weapons and simulators?

Israel has long been an operator of MRF's, they aren't amatuers in handling sophisticated systems while we are just making some infant steps towards what Israel have achieved in decades.

If we buy Super hornets outright..how much time do you think PAF will need to get those birds in the air? what does the super hornets need to be able to fly?

if we put PAF pilots who handled s211's right into some MRF such as FA-18. Can he handle it? Paano pag bumagsak at magcrash iyon?

:lol::lol::lol:para tayong sirang plaka paulit-ulit nalang paliwanag natin,..:ohno:ma-ban na naman ako ni manila-x niyan,..:nuts:

:lol::lol::lol:para tayong sirang plaka paulit-ulit nalang paliwanag natin,..:ohno:ma-ban na naman ako ni manila-x niyan,..:nuts:
huwag ka lang masyadong barbaric..usapang barbero lang tayo dito, hehehehe

Gov't buying P66 million worth of rifles

By Alexis Romero (philstar.com) Updated August 28, 2012 04:39 PM

MANILA, Philippines- The Department of National Defense (DND) will acquire P66 million worth of rifles for the Philippine Marine Corps in line with its efforts to upgrade the military’s capability.

A bid bulletin signed by DND Assistant Secretary Ernesto Boac showed that the opening of bids for the project will be on Sept. 13.

The government has allotted P66 million for the acquisition of 120 units of 7.62 mm designated marksman rifles with integrated logistics support.

Bidders should have completed within five years from the date of submission and receipt of bids a contract similar to the project.

The DND will adhere to open competitive bidding procedures as provided by the implementing rules of the procurement law.

"Bidding is open to all interested bidders, whether local or foreign, subject to the conditions for eligibility,” DND said.

Interested parties may buy bid documents worth P50,000 from the DND Bids and Awards Committee.

The DND will hold a pre-bid conference on Aug. 30 at the DND office in Camp Aguinaldo to provide prospective bidders more information about the project.

The deadline for the submission of bids will be on Sept. 13. The offers will be opened on the same day. Bids that are higher than the approved budget of contract will be rejected.

The products being offered are eligible if they are being used by the military of the company's country of origin or by the armed forces of at least two countries.

The Aquino administration has vowed to provide the military the necessary equipment and assets to enable it to perform its mandate.

For the Navy, the government plans to acquire strategic sea-lift vessels with amphibious vessels, off-shore patrol vessels, three naval helicopters, coast watch stations and weather-heavy endurance cutters.

The Army would be given new assault rifles, armor assets, tanks, armored personnel carriers, force protection equipment like helmets and bulletproof vests, night-fighting equipment and radios.

Meanwhile, the government would buy surface attack aircraft, air defense radars, long-range patrol aircraft and closed air support aircraft for the Air Force.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=842806&publicationSubCategoryId=200

Duda ako ang dami na binuhos mga pera at a shortest period of month. D kaya sinoli mga kinuha nila?

Anyway they should built a weapons and ammunitions plant to increase more jobs instead of buying imports.


Gaya ng "ANG PABAON"???:lol::lol::lol:mukhang nag-sipag bargain sa korte???

Baka mafrustate si Avror at the Beast kung narinig to.

Lol give up na ako sa air force puede na nga ang "10" lang na golden eagle sa kanila ... .

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Anyway regarding the submarines the Italian navy will retire 2 diesel submarines of the Sauro III class by 2016, these will be good as starter submarines for our navy once they have gained years of exerience then they can perhaps order some of those popular German U212/214 diesel subs by 2025 in the meantime these subs can still be useful for 10-15 years .

Anyway we really need subs they are more effective as a deterrent against the Chinese than those 10 rather useless miniature F16's ... .

But we will later need at least 3 subs to be able to maintain 1 sub at sea at all times, with 2 subs there will be gaps in submarine presence at sea but ok 2 is still better than none .

We will also need to sign agreements with the US, Nato and perhaps Japan or Singapore for their mini rescue subs in case one of the subs get in trouble, these specialised mini subs are too expensive for us to maintain on our own so it's best to just subscribe to Nato the US for those services, we will still need a ship which can be used as a mothership platform for the mini subs which Nato/US has the capability to airlift to the country whitin 24/hours .

Salvatore Pelosi class or III Sauro batch with improved combat systems: S522 Salvatore Pelosi - completed 1988 - in service - named after Italian World War II submarine commander and war hero Salvatore Pelosi
S523 Giuliano Prini - completed 1989 - in service - named after Italian World War II submarine commander and war hero Giuliano Prini
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauro_class_submarine

These subs ( above ) will be retired by 2015 & 16

Primo Longobardo class or IV Improved Sauro batch: S524 Primo Longobardo - completed 1993 - in service - named after Italian World War II submarine commander and war hero Primo Longobardo
S525 Gianfranco Gazzana Priaroggia - completed 1993 - in service - named after Italian World War II submarine commander and war hero Gianfranco Gazzana-Priaroggia

These last 2 ( above ) would be retired between 2016 & 2020 .

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Giuliano_Prini_(S_523).jpg
The bow of one of the Maestraele variants can be seen on the other side of the pier .

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This is an older Sauro variant .

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This is from the latest Sauro 4 batch

Wow... I'm really salivating at the prospect of getting those MBT's. Leopard II's or Abrams? I hope the AFP is serious about that.

LOL @ the reported Maestrales for only US$30-M each. You've got to be kidding me. If that's the case then let's buy all of those babies. Local media can't even do their math right and will end up only fooling gullible folk. :laugh:

Do these newly commissioned officers from Officer Candidate Course have the chance of becoming top brass or up to colonels?

eg. General Palparan... bsta combatant sa Army malaking chance ma heneral. :)

Yeah, according to PN Ship Naming Convention, submarines should be named after fishes. The question now is the fish is in Tagalog or in English.

Akala ko pa naman yung Lapu-lapu yung Datu. Ba't naman isda?

e kung halimbawa may aircraft carrier tayo, ano naman ang batayan ng pangalan nito? ( Luzon, Visayas at Mindanao?).

e kung halimbawa may aircraft carrier tayo, ano naman ang batayan ng pangalan nito? ( Luzon, Visayas at Mindanao?).

you just answered your own question, yes.. but if we indeed acquire Multi-Role Vessels (Amphibious LPD) i believe it will belong to the same classification since they can also carry multiple choppers and VTOL aircraft

you just answered your own question, yes.. but if we indeed acquire Multi-Role Vessels (Amphibious LPD) it will belong to the same classification since they can also carry multiple choppers and VTOL aircraft

so limited lang sa tatlo if ever?

LPD can be considered as an aircraft carrier?:)

so limited lang sa tatlo if ever?

LPD can be considered as an aircraft carrier?:)

under general naval conventions, LPD's are amphibious vessels, but since they can also carry 4x-8x helicopters and VTOL jet aircraft, then they can also be classified as "aircraft carriers"

hindi siguro limited sa tatlo lang, kasi after Luzon/Visayas/Mindanao we also have minor island groups like the Kalayaan Islands, Sulu Archipelago, Batanes Islands, Calamianes Islands, etc.

under general naval conventions, LPD's are amphibious vessels, but since they can also carry 4x-8x helicopters and VTOL jet aircraft, then they can also be classified as "aircraft carriers"

hindi siguro limited sa tatlo lang, kasi after Luzon/Visayas/Mindanao we also have minor island groups like the Kalayaan Islands, Sulu Archipelago, Batanes Islands, Calamianes Islands, etc.

not bad if we could only have 1 aircraft carrier, but that would be impossible as of the moment though. Mas ok muna siguro yung MRV para marami ang gamit.:)

Akala ko pa naman yung Lapu-lapu yung Datu. Ba't naman isda?

Isn't my quote you mentioned answer your question?

Anyway, if it is named after Datu Lapu-Lapu, it should be placed under surface combat ship. There's a difference between BRP Datu Lapu-Lapu (Like BRP Datu Sikatuna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRP_Datu_Sikatuna_(PF-5))) and BRP Lapu-lapu. :D


under general naval conventions, LPD's are amphibious vessels, but since they can also carry 4x-8x helicopters and VTOL jet aircraft, then they can also be classified as "aircraft carriers"

hindi siguro limited sa tatlo lang, kasi after Luzon/Visayas/Mindanao we also have minor island groups like the Kalayaan Islands, Sulu Archipelago, Batanes Islands, Calamianes Islands, etc.

not bad if we could only have 1 aircraft carrier, but that would be impossible as of the moment though. Mas ok muna siguro yung MRV para marami ang gamit.:)

Under the aircraft carrier (C), there are three classes of aircraft carrier:

1. Fixed Wing - F
2. Rotary Wing - R
3. General/Unspecified/Others - G

So for example if PN is able to acquire Hyuga-class helicopter destroyer from Japan (actually, a rotary-wing aircraft carrier), the PN will assign as CR-1. Now, if PN is able to acquire Nimitz-class aircraft carrier, it will be assigned as CG-1.

have you seen this?. http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-09/news/31311138_1_spratly-islands-philippines-south-china-sea

^^ Oh boy, i am scared. so so scared!!!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8432/7852792898_41f8944ca3_c.jpg

The Military Sealift

PHILIPPINE SEA (Aug. 24, 2012) - The Military Sealift Command fleet replenishment oiler USNS Tippecanoe pulls alongside the U.S. Navy's forward-deployed aircraft carrier USS George Washington (GW) in preparation for a replenishment at sea. GW took on hundreds of pallets of supplies and thousands of gallons of fuel, allowing the carrier to continue its patrol and maintain mission readiness. George Washington and its embarked air wing, Carrier Air Wing, provide a combat-ready force that protects and defends the collective maritime interest of the U.S. and its allies and partners in the Asia-Pacific region. (U.S. Navy photo by MCSA Brian H. Abel)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/us-pacific-command/7852792898/in/photostream

http://www.pacom.mil/media/news/2012/08/27-george-washing-gears-up-for-cartII.shtml

http://www.navytimes.com/images/logo_navytimes.gif

U.S. plans for larger presence in Pacific
By Gidget Fuentes - Staff writer
Posted : Saturday Apr 21, 2012 10:13:32 EDT

The failed mid-April launch of a long-range North Korean rocket, billed as a satellite launch but widely seen as the test of a ballistic missile, was the latest reminder of how the Pacific region remains one of the world’s most volatile.

It’s also a key focus of the Obama administration’s new national defense strategy.

The military’s top officer in the Pacific, Adm. Samuel Locklear, describes the new focus as “back to the Pacific,” alluding to long-standing U.S. military presence and partnerships with Pacific Rim nations dating back before World War II.

In practice, it means more Navy ships in the region, along with more Marines and soldiers, Locklear told an audience of service members April 12 at Yokota Air Base, Japan. “What you should expect from the future is an enduring presence in this part of the world that is properly shaped for the coming century,” said Locklear, a former Pacific Fleet commander who in March took the helm of Hawaii-based U.S. Pacific Command.

Among his top missions is “making this theater a priority for the long run,” he said. “We have a joint force that, for the Pacific, has been misshapen. So we have to reshape it for the contingencies that we have here.”

That won’t mean new U.S. bases in the region, but rather bilateral agreements for joint access or shared use, Locklear said. “We’ve got to be optimally deployed in places where we can get to ... We just can’t be in one place to do what we’ve got to do.”

The Navy’s plan is to have a 60/40 split between fleet concentrations in the Pacific and Atlantic to position more firepower and presence in the Asia-Pacific region. “Our fleet is right now 55 percent in the Pacific, 45 in the Atlantic. That’s going to change some,” Navy Secretary Ray Mabus told Navy Times in a recent interview.

The Navy already has put more ships and submarines in Hawaii and Guam and the first littoral combat ships in San Diego, ahead of plans to permanently deploy more of the new ships to Singapore. Mabus recently returned from a trip to the region, the latest in a series of visits designed to find new ways to insert U.S. ships and troops into places such as Australia and the Philippines.

Aside from North Korea, the increased U.S. presence is designed to counter China’s growing military and its more assertive posture toward its neighbors. Nowhere is that more evident than in the South China Sea, where there have been several flare-ups with Beijing over disputed territory, most recently with the Philippines, but also with Vietnam and other nations. Recent double-digit hikes in China’s defense spending and its development of an aircraft carrier also have fueled speculation about its intent.

Michael Mazza, a defense analyst with the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, said China’s expansion in developing anti-access, area-denial weapons is worrisome. “The Navy has operated unimpeded in the Pacific and Indian oceans for years. China is now developing a host of naval capabilities ... to make our maritime and our forces’ ability to operate very, very difficult,” he said.

The U.S. and its allies heavily depend on safe, unimpeded passage through the commercial sea lanes that crisscross the region. Forward-deployed forces, which include 7th Fleet and the aircraft carrier George Washington, are “a stabilizing force for the moment,” said Sheila A. Smith, senior fellow for Japan studies with the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington. “Those [sea lanes] are vital for the economic health of every Asian economy, including the Chinese.”

Keeping U.S. forces as a fleeting and flexible, rather than permanent, presence will be critical, Mazza said. He cautioned against “putting ourselves in a potentially risky situation” if words aren’t followed up with actions, including “boots on the ground” when needed.

One sticking point in the new U.S. presence is the contentious issue of bases in Japan, including the replacement of Marine Corps Air Station Futenma on Okinawa. Despite more than 16 years of discussions and negotiations, the two countries haven’t resolved the issue, and the Pentagon faces opposition to its plans from Congress as well.

“It’s produced a significant amount of tension in the alliance,” Smith said. “The politics of hosting foreign bases continue to affect the domestic debate” in most countries in the region, she noted. “Our military forces are going to have to be more aware of that sensitivity.”

STILL FAR FROM ‘THE BRINK’
The new presence also requires naval officers to become more adept at what Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called “the three Ds of foreign policy” — defense, diplomacy and development — in a speech to Naval Academy midshipmen April 10. “So we need officers who can fight wars, negotiate agreements and provide emergency relief, all at once. Call it the smart-power Navy,” she said.

Clinton meanwhile rejected the notion that the U.S. is facing a standoff with the Chinese.

“Today’s China is not the Soviet Union. We are not on the brink of a new Cold War in Asia,” she told midshipmen.

“Just look at the ever-expanding trade between our economies, the connections between our peoples, the ongoing consultations between our governments. In less than 35 years, we’ve gone from being two nations with hardly any ties to speak of to being thoroughly, inescapably interdependent. That requires adjustments in thinking and approaches on both sides.”

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/04/navy-larger-pacific-presence-china-samuel-locklear-042112w/

have you seen this?. http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-09/news/31311138_1_spratly-islands-philippines-south-china-sea

This is old April pa.


And nothing has really happened.

Seems to me the Chinese military is all ego. I guess they thought they could scare the new administration with mere words :lol::lol:

PMA cadet comatose after shot by robber (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/metro-manila/08/27/12/pma-cadet-comatose-after-shot-robber)

ANILA, Philippines - A Philippine Military Academy (PMA) cadet is fighting for his life after he was shot by a jeepney robber in Fairview, Quezon City last Saturday, a military official said Monday.

Cadet First Class Alfonso Aviles, who is set to graduate this year, is now comatose after he underwent an operation at the Armed Forces Medical Center to remove the bullet in his head, according to military spokesman Col. Arnulfo Burgos.

"Cadet Aviles right now is unconscious. He is in comatose and confined at the Intensive Care Unit. Since the incident occurred, he has not spoken (about the robbery)," Burgos said.

Neurosurgeon Capt Junior Borja, in a medical bulletin, said Aviles's health has stabilized. "Patient has stable vital signs," the bulletin said.

The 23-year-old Aviles and several senior cadets were in Metro Manila last week to serve as proctors in the PMA entrance examination held Sunday. They were billeted at the AFP Medical Center, said Burgos.

They were given free time Saturday and Aviles visited his parents in San Jose Del Monte town in Bulacan.

The PMA cadet was returning from Bulacan when an armed man declared a holdup in the jeepney Aviles was riding.

Aviles tried to grab the robber's pistol, which went off.

He was hit in the neck and the bullet got stuck in his head.

"As of now, Cadet Aviles is still under close monitoring following his successful operation on Saturday night. He is currently being monitored for any intracranial pressure," Burgos said.

Aviles will remain at the AFP Medical Center ICU for a week.

"Cadet Aviles is just one of the many dedicated and committed soldiers of the AFP who risk their lives everyday so that others may live in a peaceful and secure environment," Burgos said.

He urged witnesses in the robbery incident to help police bring the suspect to justice.

"The AFP calls on those who have information that could help identify and capture the suspect in the robbery hold-up. Their cooperation is important in ensuring that justice is achieved," Burgos said.

PHL, US, Southeast Asian fleet training exercise begins
Navy units from the Philippines, the United States and five other Southeast Asian countries on Tuesday commenced a fleet training exercise at the Malacca Strait, Sulu Sea and Subic Bay, a naval spokesman said.

Navy spokesman Col. Omar Tonsay said the five-day training exercise, called the Southeast Asia Cooperation and Training (SEACAT), will involve surface, air and special operations units from the participating countries.

Apart from U.S. and the Philippines, Tonsay said the other countries participating in the annual training activity are Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and Singapore.

“They [Southeast Asian countries] will participate with the US Navy in a scenario-driven fleet training exercise against terrorism, transnational crimes and other maritime threats which focus on real time information exchange, coordinated surveillance operations, tracking and eventual conduct of Visit, Board, Search and Seizure to the maritime Contact of Interest or the designated target vessel,” said Tonsay. Read more (http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/271597/news/nation/phl-us-southeast-asian-fleet-training-exercise-begins)

"eg. General Palparan... bsta combatant sa Army malaking chance ma heneral."

Most of my colleagues ended up as Colonels. Some became generals, pero mabibilang sa daliri. Palparan was my senior officer in college. I emigrated to the U.S. after my advance ROTC.

Most of my colleagues ended up as Colonels. Some became generals, pero mabibilang sa daliri. Palparan was my senior officer in college. I emigrated to the U.S. after my advance ROTC.

my dad after retiring from the service joined the UN... his bosses envied him so much, he was also due to be promoted but because of the very good offer he chose the UN and now resides in the US...

my dad after retiring from the service joined the UN... his bosses envied him so much, he was also due to be promoted but because of the very good offer he chose the UN and now resides in the US...

You can have the highest rank in the Philippines but the salary is equal to a clerk elsewhere in the world. Smart move for your dad. Why would I risk my life for a measly something like P50,000 for a senior ranking officer in the Philippine military? No wonder many have to take "part" time jobs.

"No wonder many have to take "part" time jobs."

Or become like Garcia, Ligot, etc.

But some of my colleagues in the army were ambushed leading their men and are now with the Lord. Some became police colonels.

As for me, I ended up working with a 2,300 attorney law firm with worldwide branches.

Clinton to press on China disputes in Asia tour
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will warn against the use of force between China and its neighbors on a tour of Asia that comes amid mounting tension over sea disputes, officials said Tuesday.

On her third visit to Asia since May, Clinton will become the first US secretary of state to take part in a summit of Pacific islands -- an area where China's influence has been growing -- and to stop in East Timor.

Clinton will hold talks in Beijing on September 4 and 5, the United States and China announced. Friction has been rising both in the South China Sea, where Beijing is building a controversial new garrison, and in the East China Sea, where activists have sailed to islands claimed by both Japan and China.

"We don't want to see the disputes in the South China Sea, or anywhere else, settled be intimidation, by force. We want to see them settled at the negotiating table," State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said.

Nuland called for military transparency by China and said Clinton would seek progress on an elusive goal of setting up a code of conduct to manage conflicts in the South China Sea, through which half of global cargo flows.

"We continue to think that that's the best way to address these disputes, so I think you will see it come up on many of these stops," Nuland said of the code of conduct.

On Clinton's last visit to Asia in July, Southeast Asian nations meeting in Cambodia failed to overcome divisions to move ahead on a code of conduct, with the Philippines and Vietnam seeking the toughest line over disputes with China.

In between her talks in Beijing, Clinton will stop in Indonesia and Brunei, two countries which Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi toured earlier in August.

President Barack Obama's administration on taking office eyed Indonesia as a growing US partner due to its size, democratic values and mostly moderate practice of Islam, although momentum for stronger ties has since slowed down.

Nuland said that Clinton would also seek a peaceful resolution of disputes involving Japan, whose relations with China and South Korea have rapidly deteriorated in recent weeks.

Clinton will leave on Thursday for the tiny Cook Islands to take part in the Pacific Islands Forum, leading the highest-level US delegation ever to go to the 41-year-old summit.

China has devoted growing attention to the South Pacific, offering assistance with few strings attached in contrast to the region's traditional donors Australia, Japan, New Zealand and the United States.

Clinton, already the most-traveled secretary of state in US history, will on September 6 become the most senior US official ever to visit East Timor, an impoverished half-island which became independent from Indonesia in 2002.

The top US diplomat will end her tour by taking part in the September 8-9 summit of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in the Russian port of Vladivostok.

She will represent the United States instead of President Barack Obama, who has told Russia that he will skip the summit to focus on the home stretch of his re-election bid.
Clinton -- who narrowly lost the Democratic nomination for president to Obama in 2008 -- will miss the party's convention in Charlotte, North Carolina for the Asia trip.

In Vladivostok, Clinton is expected to meet with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

Russia is the main supporter of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and has butted heads with the United States over the raging fighting in the Arab country. Read more (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/china-state-media-says-clinton-visit-next-week-132835622.html)

ANALYSIS | China's aircraft carrier, in name only
When Japanese activists scrambled ashore on a disputed island chain in the East China Sea this month, one of China's most hawkish military commentators proposed an uncharacteristically mild response.

Retired Major General Luo Yuan suggested naming China's new aircraft carrier Diaoyu, after the Diaoyu islands in the East China Sea. It would demonstrate China's sovereignty over the islands known as the Senkakus in Japanese, he said.

For a notable hardliner, it was one of the least bellicose reactions he has advocated throughout a series of territorial rows that have soured China's ties with its neighbors in recent months.

More typical was General Luo's warning in April that the Chinese navy would "strike hard" if provoked during a dispute with the Philippines over Scarborough Shoal in the South China Sea.

One possible reason for General Luo's restraint, military analysts say, is he knows it could be toward the end of the decade before China can actually deploy the new carrier to the disputed islands or any other trouble spot.

Despite public anticipation in China that the carrier -- a refitted, Soviet-era vessel bought from Ukraine -- will soon become the flagship of a powerful navy, defense experts say it lacks the strike aircraft, weapons, electronics, training, and logistical support it needs to become a fighting warship.

"There is considerable uncertainty involved, but it could take anything from three to five years," said Carlo Kopp, the Melbourne, Australia based co-founder of Air Power Australia, an independent military think tank.Read more (http://www.interaksyon.com/article/41745/analysis--chinas-aircraft-carrier-in-name-only)

Vietnam is getting the first submarine.

http://defense-studies.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-first-of-six-submarines-for.html

Philippine, China leaders may discuss row at APEC

By: Agence France-Presse
August 29, 2012 3:29 PM

MANILA - The Philippine and Chinese presidents will likely discuss a territorial row on the sidelines of a regional trade summit in Russia next month, a Filipino official said Wednesday.

Philippine President Benigno Aquino will reaffirm in the talks his country's claims to parts of the South China Sea while seeking to ease tensions with China and boost trade, foreign affairs undersecretary Laura del Rosario said.

"He (Aquino) will explain to them what we are doing about it, what we are doing to de-escalate it. It's useless to discuss the problem in a high-pitched voice," del Rosario told reporters, referring to the maritime row.

Aquino and Chinese President Hu Jintao are due to attend the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) leaders' summit in Russia's far eastern port city of Vladivostok on September 8 and 9.

Del Rosario said the meeting between Hu and Aquino on the sidelines of the summit had not yet been confirmed, with both delegations still to finalise their schedules.

But she said the Chinese side had proposed the bilateral meeting, and Aquino would accept.

"It will be the number one on his priority list," she said.

Del Rosario emphasised the Philippines wanted to focus on boosting economic partnerships with China during the planned meeting, not the South China Sea dispute that has caused deep diplomatic fissures for more than a year.

"We just hope... that whatever political issues we have, we can just separate it from economic issues and trade issues," she said.

China claims sovereignty over nearly all of the South China Sea, which is believed to hold vast amounts of oil and gas, is a rich fishing ground for the region and is home to shipping lanes that are vital to global trade.

But the Philippines, Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam, as well as Taiwan, claim parts of the sea.

The Philippines and Vietnam have accused China recently of becoming increasingly aggressive in staking its claims to the area.

Tensions between the Philippines and China escalated dramatically in April when vessels from both countries became engaged in a stand-off at a remote shoal in the sea.

The Philippines' foreign minister then accused Chinese diplomats in July of "duplicity" and "intimidation".

http://www.interaksyon.com/business/41758/philippine-china-leaders-may-discuss-row-at-apec

For a notable hardliner, it was one of the least bellicose reactions he has advocated throughout a series of territorial rows that have soured China's ties with its neighbors in recent months.

More typical was General Luo's warning in April that the Chinese navy would "strike hard" if provoked during a dispute with the Philippines over Scarborough Shoal in the South China Sea.

One possible reason for General Luo's restraint

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Lol or maybe it's because the Japanese navy is still the 2nd most powerful in the Asia Pacific region after the US navy and he knew quite well that it is capable of taking on the PLA navy .

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Shinmaywa US2

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Beriev BE-200

Speaking of the JMSDF i quite love their amphibious planes called the "Shinmaywa US2", Since it isn't really an offensive aircraft it can be exported and i think they are trying to sell some to India .

Alternatively the Beriev 200 might be better as aside from SAR it is designed to be used as a fire water bomber aircraft and has a large cabin for transport purposes normally for passenger transport .

I think it would be quite useful for the PN to have such aircraft for the SAR role and even surveillance and rapid transport duties to the Spratleys and other isolated island garrisons, + if there's a large fire in an urban area we can now have the ability to just water bomb it in the case of the Be-200 or if things get too hot and dry we can make instant rain lol .

Hmm. I may not like Myth Romney but it's like I said. The Chicoms should be saying prayers that a Repug will not win elections cause they're. ahem, more pugnacious than Democraps.:nuts::lol::lol::lol:

HONG KONG — The Republican Party was still battening down its hatches against Tropical Storm Isaac when Hurricane China began to lash Mitt Romney and the party’s proposed policies on Asia.
(http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/29/china-slams-romney-for-pugnacious-policies/)
The principal attack came through an editorial on Monday in China Daily, the state-run newspaper, which called Mr. Romney’s policies “an outdated manifestation of a Cold War mentality” that “endorses the ‘China threat’ theory and focuses on containing China’s rise.”

The editorial said the Romney policies, as stated on his campaign Web site, were “worrying” and “more pugnacious” than the approach of the Obama administration

The editorial said the Romney policies, as stated on his campaign Web site, were “worrying” and “more pugnacious” than the approach of the Obama administration.

The 2012 Republican Party platform says the United States should bolster its naval presence in the region while “assisting partners that require help to enhance their defensive capabilities.”

If China fails to abide by W.T.O. protocols, the G.O.P. platform says, “the United States government will end procurement of Chinese goods and services.”

“In the face of China’s accelerated military build-up, the United States and our allies must maintain appropriate military capabilities to discourage any aggressive or coercive behavior by China against its neighbors,” the platform said.

But the China Daily editorial warned Mr. Romney that U.S. support of other Asian countries in their disputes with China over islands in the South China Sea “will only lead to head-on confrontation between the two countries.”...

Lumalabas na ang tunay na kulay.


They better be worried if he wins...:lol:

^^ Why do they sound a lot like Pyongyang? :lol:

And my gahd, who has the cold war mentality of militarily warning its smaller neighbors? Remember Gen Luo's editorial? :lol:

China's constantly pulling out of "cold war mentality" card shows their insecurities. Di makalusot kay Papi :lol:

Philippine Navy is evaluating Oto Melara 76mm Strales naval gun system

http://defense-update.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/STRALES_76-62.jpg

According to IHS Janes the Philippine Navy is evaluation Oto Melara’s advanced 76 mm smart munitions other wise known as DART (Driven Ammunition Reduced Time of flight) guided projectile.

This special ammunition will be use for Philippine Navy’s fleet of former royal navy peacock class patrol vessels such as BRP Emilio Jacinto, BRP Apolinario Mabini, BRP Artemio Ricarte and for the two BRP Gregorio del Pilar Class frigate.

DART ammunition can be fired by the 76mm Strales system, that presents new features:

double ammunition feeding system,
digital console
guidance antenna
gun shield
electronic equipment specifically designed for the DART ammunition guidance.
This System is the most effective response to the emerging requirements for medium caliber naval guns, demanding the highest level of lethality within evolving scenarios in Air Defence as well as in Anti Surface actions.

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http://www.afpmodernization.com/post/philippine-navy-is-evaluation-oto-melara-76mm-strales-naval-gun-system/

PNP to buy 300 patrol motorcycles

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The PNP also has set aside P52.4 million to buy 300 200cc motorcycles for “surveillance and transport.”

According to the specifications set by the National Police Commission, the motorcycles must can be on or off-road models with at least 16 horsepower and 5-speed transmissions. They must come with a warranty of at least one year, after-sales support, and must pass the PNP functional test and evaluation

http://www.afpmodernization.com/post/pnp-to-buy-300-patrol-motorcycles/

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Marines will acquire sniper rifles worth P66 million
http://www.afpmodernization.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/800x.jpg
The Department of National Defense (DND) will acquire P66 million worth of rifles for the Philippine Marine Corps in line with its efforts to upgrade the military’s capability.

A bid bulletin signed by DND Assistant Secretary Ernesto Boac showed that the opening of bids for the project will be on Sept. 13.
http://www.afpmodernization.com/post/marines-will-acquire-sniper-rifles-worth-p66-million/

Maritime Row with China Forces Philippines to Upgrade Defense
A maritime dispute with China has forced the Philippines to review its defense capabilities. Tension arose earlier this year when Beijing and Manila accused each other of illegally occupying the waters near the disputed Scarborough Shoals in the South China Sea.
The government has already dispatched several diplomatic missions seeking military agreements or cooperation with various countries in the Asia-Pacific.

The weak defense system of the Philippines is no secret. Even President Benigno Aquino joked about this during his recent state of the nation address:

“Some have described our Air Force as all air and no force. Lacking the proper equipment, our troops remain vulnerable even as they are expected to be put in harm’s way. We cannot allow things to remain this way. We will no longer send paper boats out to sea. Now, our 36,000 kilometers of coastline will be patrolled by more modern ships.”Read more (http://isnblog.ethz.ch/international-relations/maritime-row-with-china-forces-philippines-to-upgrade-defense)

Vietnam is getting the first submarine.

http://defense-studies.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-first-of-six-submarines-for.html

The same submarine type used by the Chinese Navy! And also planned by us (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilo_class_submarine#Possible_operators)?

I just would like to know what are they are going to study in aquiring a submarine when the indonesia, malaysia, simgaporeans, the japanese, the taiwanese and the americans have a subamarines operating in tropical cilmate. Its how much money you have to afford to get what you want.

The doctrines and budget to be used in operating these submarines and also the type of submarine to be used since we have mostly shallow waters, not all submarines can operate in shallow waters.

Pucha naman, isipin mo, may bakbakan, magtetext mga sundalo? :lol:

“For instance, if an officer instructs his troops to go from location A to location B, how could the enemy, assuming he was able to intercept the communication, know where location A is and where location B is?” he asked. “Besides, you can use cellular phones. Can the enemy monitor text messages?”

http://m.philstar.com/headlines/show/41227251e246bd85d7a7f4cd679aa00e&t=aujcgeuh2v5foe580g8dnlns43

There are actually quite a few ways to intercept mobile phone and text messages even amateurs can do it given enough cash and know how, of course most of the rebels probably have no clue .

Pucha naman, isipin mo, may bakbakan, magtetext mga sundalo? :lol:



http://m.philstar.com/headlines/show/41227251e246bd85d7a7f4cd679aa00e&t=aujcgeuh2v5foe580g8dnlns43

shithead politicians... AFP won't buy these radios just for fighting rebels.... it is for national defense so meaning internal or external threat of war..... If China invades, won't they wipe out your cell sites and communications facilities :lol::lol:

Aquino, China’s Hu Jintao to meet in Apec sidelines
Business Mirror
http://businessmirror.com.ph/home/top-news/32051-aquino-chinas-hu-jintao-to-meet-in-apec-sidelines-

President Aquino will have a one-on-one meeting with Chinese President Hu Jintao and other leaders at the sidelines of the 20th Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (Apec) summit in Russia, which could pave the way for an easing of tensions between the two countries caused by their dispute in the South China Sea.

Foreign Affairs Undersecretary Laura Q. del Rosario said in a news briefing that China, along with seven other countries, had requested a bilateral meeting with Mr. Aquino while in Vladivostok, but the final list has not been finalized.

Del Rosario was asked if the meeting between Mr. Aquino and Hu would present an opportunity to heal tensions between the Philippines and China over territorial issues.

“Yes. Definitely. We just hope that the signal will be sent to say that whatever political issues we have, if we can just separate it from the economic issues that we have or even the trade issues, then definitely we can really make sure that the Apec objectives of really keeping borders open will be achieved,” she said.

Asked about the importance of the bilateral meeting between Mr. Aquino and Hu, Palace Spokesman Edwin Lacierda said, “It will be good for the two heads of state to speak to each other and it would be in the best interest of both heads of state to discuss issues of mutual concern.”

Del Rosario said that in the President’s expected discussion on the South China Sea dispute with his Chinese counterpart, “most probably…[he] will just explain our position and then what we’re trying to do to resolve it.”

Del Rosario said the discussions between the President and Hu “will be more like assuring each other that they should go back to the starting point when everything was fine.”

She was apparently referring to bilateral relations between the Philippines and China prior to the Scarborough Shoal incident in April when a Navy vessel found Chinese fishermen collecting various forms of marine life in the area, resulting in a standoff between the two countries in that area.

Del Rosario expressed hope that the two leaders would discuss future investments in each other’s countries.
“I think, the DFA especially, we really want to reinvigorate our trade and investment relations because I think that’s the only way really that we can assure one another that everything is going to be well between the two of us.

Del Rosario said aside from Hu, the President is also expected to meet with Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda and that other requests have come from Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Singapore and Chile.

She said during the meeting with his Japanese counterpart, the President may thank the Japanese government for all the support it had been extending the Philippines.

“If you notice, you know, they’re increasing their investments here and they were supportive of us politically all the things that we’re doing. I think Japan is really a very good partner in this part of the world; one of our strategic partners,” del Rosario said.

Mr. Aquino will depart for Russky Island, Vladivostok, on September 7 and would be there for less than 48 hours before flying back to Manila on September 9.

Pucha naman, isipin mo, may bakbakan, magtetext mga sundalo? :lol:



http://m.philstar.com/headlines/show/41227251e246bd85d7a7f4cd679aa00e&t=aujcgeuh2v5foe580g8dnlns43

just another bunch of airhead politicians.. even teenagers can distinguish 'commercial-grade' from 'military-grade' :nuts:

Pucha naman, isipin mo, may bakbakan, magtetext mga sundalo? :lol:



http://m.philstar.com/headlines/show/41227251e246bd85d7a7f4cd679aa00e&t=aujcgeuh2v5foe580g8dnlns43

They are texting for back-up! :lol:

A cellular phone has a wider coverage than the radio and it's easier to use, no need for training. For me they should rather go for satellite phones with GPS so they can also use it to accurately guide a field artillery bombardment than using a detailed map and compass.

Pucha naman, isipin mo, may bakbakan, magtetext mga sundalo? :lol:



http://m.philstar.com/headlines/show/41227251e246bd85d7a7f4cd679aa00e&t=aujcgeuh2v5foe580g8dnlns43

Tapos kung prepaid lang kailangan mo pang magpa-passaload habang binabaril kayo. Sobrang hi-tech.

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^^Baka masmagreklamo sina Osmena at Casino nyan. :lol: But I think those phones with GPS have monthly payment?

Military application naman yung bibilhin ng DND. Dapat talaga pulbusin na yang Bayan Muna. Sigurado ang taas ng approval rating ni Presidente pati AFP nun.

Naguupgrade ang DND/AFP ng communications capability nito para meh communication coverage mga tropa natin, especially in rebel infested regions (VisMin).

They are texting for back-up! :lol:

A cellular phone has a wider coverage than the radio and it's easier to use, no need for training. For me they should rather go for satellite phones with GPS so they can also use it to accurately guide a field artillery bombardment than using a detailed map and compass.

i use a phone with GPS & Wi-Fi... it really helps because wherever i go i can determine my exact location even where there are no network signals, i compared it with my Garmin GPS reciever and it works the same, the difference between the cp and the Garmin GPS are the Grid Coordinates (programmed by DND and can monitor the troops wherever we go), but the Latitude and Longitude are the same... i bring alot of extra batteries with me (5 fully charged). :)

i am always the one assigned to bring the GPS because i also graduated an artillery course (top of the class) which has alot of map reading....

it is always mandatory to have a GPS, 2 Harris radios, extra load in form of cellcards, NVG in every squad in my unit everytime we go out.... my unit is the first night fighting capable unit in the whole Phil. Army and awarded "best combat unit" for 2 consecutive years 2008-2009 (22 out of 30 got a Gold cross)... :cheers:

^^Baka masmagreklamo sina Osmena at Casino nyan. :lol: But I think those phones with GPS have monthly payment?

a phone with a real GPS reciever doesn't require a load... all u do is go outside in the open field, wait for a few seconds... the latitude, longitude, elevation, speed and direction will be given to you... :)

i use a phone with GPS & Wi-Fi... it really helps because wherever i go i can determine my exact location even where there are no network signals, i compared it with my Garmin GPS reciever and it works the same, the difference between the cp and the Garmin GPS are the Grid Coordinates (programmed by DND and can monitor the troops wherever we go), but the Latitude and Longitude are the same... i bring alot of extra batteries with me (5 fully charged). :)

i am always the one assigned to bring the GPS because i also graduated an artillery course (top of the class) which has alot of map reading....

it is always mandatory to have a GPS, 2 Harris radios, extra load in form of cellcards, NVG in every squad in my unit everytime we go out.... my unit is the first night fighting capable unit in the whole Phil. Army and awarded "best combat unit" for 2 consecutive years 2008-2009 (22 out of 30 got a Gold cross)... :cheers:

nice set of gears.. but what about your VHF radios? are they really encrypted and secure? because i've seen PA soldiers using the commercial VHF units which can be bought in any hobby store like Kenwood/Motorola/Yaesu/iCom etc.

i remember the Libyan Civil War where Gaddafi forces were defeated due to the rebels eavesdropping on their VHF frequencies

nice set of gears.. but what about your VHF radios? are they really encrypted and secure? because i've seen PA soldiers using the commercial VHF units which can be bought in any hobby store like Kenwood/Motorola/Yaesu/iCom etc.

i remember the Libyan Civil War where Gaddafi forces were defeated due to the rebels eavesdropping on their VHF frequencies

ive never heard army combat units using VHF radios maybe SEARCH and Rescue units that need to coordinate with PNP and rescue units... maybe in Luzon or Visayas...

the Harris Radio is a very secure radio, it even has a self-destruct mode if you don't know how to use it all the programs are deleted, unlike VHF radios were u change frequency all the time, it can also detect signals from VHF... VHF radios were all phased out except the ones used by the armor and airforce because these are the only way to communicate with a tank and helicopter... :)

http://www.afpmodernization.com/post/110-ifvs-for-philippine-army/

4 realz

Former US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice at the Republican National Convention 2012 in Tampa on the eve of the acceptance speech of Republican Presidential Nominee Mitt Romney:
"Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan understand this reality. Our well-being at home and our leadership abroad are inextricably linked. They know what to do. They know that our friends and allies must again be able to trust us. From Israel to Columbia, from Poland to the Philippines, our allies and friends have to know that we will be reliable and consistent and determined. And our foes can have no reason to doubt our resolve because peace really does come through strength."

Military frequencies are encrypted. Every frequencies has different number of channels. So not a lot of people can monitor the communications even if they got the right frequency because the transmission had been modulated. The can only hear muffled or hissing sound.The receiver radio has the modulated frequencies. The main stations can scan its partner portable radios even it send different modulations at a certain frequency since the equipments were set up before it goes to the field.

An example when I was working before in one of the visayas airport sa Pilipinas, the communication at a certain frequency, use to communicate between commercial planes and the tower is also used as carrier frequency to communicate between the mountain towers antennae facility technicians and the main facility at the airport. It does not interfere the plane communication because its signal was modulated. This way it saves the government of buying another radio.

"Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan understand this reality. Our well-being at home and our leadership abroad are inextricably linked. They know what to do. They know that our friends and allies must again be able to trust us. From Israel to Columbia, from Poland to the Philippines, our allies and friends have to know that we will be reliable and consistent and determined. And our foes can have no reason to doubt our resolve because peace really does come through strength."

It could be a deja vu for Bill Clinton again. America's main problem is economics not foreign policy. People don't care no matter how excellent the foreign policy is if they don't have jobs. Even Afghanistan is no longer on people's mind.

Military frequencies are encrypted. Every frequencies has different number of channels. So not a lot of people can monitor the communications even if they got the right frequency because the transmission had been modulated. The can only hear muffled or hissing sound.The receiver radio has the modulated frequencies. The main stations can scan its partner portable radios even it send different modulations at a certain frequency since the equipments were set up before it goes to the field.

An example when I was working before in one of the visayas airport sa Pilipinas, the communication at a certain frequency, use to communicate between commercial planes and the tower is also used as carrier frequency to communicate between the mountain towers antennae facility technicians and the main facility at the airport. It does not interfere the plane communication because its signal was modulated. This way it saves the government of buying another radio.

civilian frequency is very easy as a program because it is a universal program using simplex and duplex programming... in the military we use a "citadel" type of program our radios can detect any signal u want from tv, celfon, radios and etc. it gives us secure access to voice, video and data....


during Military operations we rely on Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance (C4ISR) systems provided by HARRIS RADIO and gives us the ability to gather and analyze intelligence on enemy forces, and then disseminate that information accordingly. This allows units to act immediately and precisely. when it comes to communications equipment in the Philippine Army rest assured that we have the best the US can offer... HARRIS Radios... :cheers:

Hindi kaya natatakot sina at Osmena at CAsino dahil baka mapick up ng military locations nila sa pagtrace ng frequency ng NPA? Kaya gusto nila text text sa military? Lol

Pucha naman, isipin mo, may bakbakan, magtetext mga sundalo? :lol:



http://m.philstar.com/headlines/show/41227251e246bd85d7a7f4cd679aa00e&t=aujcgeuh2v5foe580g8dnlns43

Imagine:

"Wer n U. D2 n us." Stupid politicians. Sana kumunsulta muna sa nakakaalam hindi dun sa nagaalam-alaman.

Imagine:

"Wer n U. D2 n us." Stupid politicians. Sana kumunsulta muna sa nakakaalam hindi dun sa nagaalam-alaman.

Jejemonization of the military

Economic managers stall bicameral work on AFP upgrade - Lacson
By: Karl John C. Reyes, InterAksyon.com
August 30, 2012 7:33 PM

MANILA, Philippines – Deliberations of the bicameral conference committee on the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) modernization program have stalled on objections by certain Palace economic managers to a provision earmarking proceeds from the Malampaya gas field project for the military upgrade, according to Senator Panfilo Lacson.

In an interview before the Commission on Elections budget was tackled Thursday, Lacson said the Senate panel dropped its original plan because Palace economic managers are “shouting hell” against the provision.

“We are stuck in the deliberations regarding the Malampaya proceeds because many sectors” notably officials from three Departments---of Finance, Energy and of Budget and Management--- oppose “a provision earmarking proceeds from Malampaya to the AFP Modernization Program,” Lacson said.

Originally, the Senate version that was brought to the bicameral panel, on Senate Bill No. 2938 or the AFP Modernization Act, allocated a “reasonable amount” from the Malampaya proceeds. The House version allocated a 35-percent cut from the gas project fund, to be used for the AFP program.

Lacson said the deliberations on the provision were suspended awaiting inputs from other sectors, and to refine the law in order to avert a veto by the President.

“But yesterday, there was a lot of discussion on this because national security is involved in the deliberations. And Senator (Gringo) Honasan said na kung mawala ang security sa Malampaya, mawawala din ang Malampaya [if security provisions are removed from Malampaya project, then Malampaya itself might as well be gone, too]. That’s where we stalled. The bicam is worried if we enrol the bill, then it will vetoed by the President, which is a pity, so we suspended the deliberations to gather more inputs,” Lacson explained.

He said the committee will decide at the next hearing whether to retain or totally drop the provision from the AFP modernization bill.

He said they would prefer to take a step backward now and ensure the President’s approval. “It’s better to be realistic; if there’s no certainty about where the funds will come from, better to drop that from the law,” Lacson said.

Still, Lacson said there are many ways the AFP can source the funds, such as the sale of AFP assets, or their lease, and the General Appropriations Act (GAA).

The National Expenditure Program has an allocation of P15 billion for the first year of modernization and the total amount of P75 billion for the period of five years, Lacson said.

Of the P15 billion, P10 billion is for unprogrammed funds, while P5 billion is for the AFP Modernization.

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/41902/economic-managers-stall-bicameral-work-on-afp-upgrade---lacson

Economic managers stall bicameral work on AFP upgrade - Lacson
By: Karl John C. Reyes, InterAksyon.com
August 30, 2012 7:33 PM

MANILA, Philippines – Deliberations of the bicameral conference committee on the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) modernization program have stalled on objections by certain Palace economic managers to a provision earmarking proceeds from the Malampaya gas field project for the military upgrade, according to Senator Panfilo Lacson.

In an interview before the Commission on Elections budget was tackled Thursday, Lacson said the Senate panel dropped its original plan because Palace economic managers are “shouting hell” against the provision.

“We are stuck in the deliberations regarding the Malampaya proceeds because many sectors” notably officials from three Departments---of Finance, Energy and of Budget and Management--- oppose “a provision earmarking proceeds from Malampaya to the AFP Modernization Program,” Lacson said.

Originally, the Senate version that was brought to the bicameral panel, on Senate Bill No. 2938 or the AFP Modernization Act, allocated a “reasonable amount” from the Malampaya proceeds. The House version allocated a 35-percent cut from the gas project fund, to be used for the AFP program.

Lacson said the deliberations on the provision were suspended awaiting inputs from other sectors, and to refine the law in order to avert a veto by the President.

“But yesterday, there was a lot of discussion on this because national security is involved in the deliberations. And Senator (Gringo) Honasan said na kung mawala ang security sa Malampaya, mawawala din ang Malampaya [if security provisions are removed from Malampaya project, then Malampaya itself might as well be gone, too]. That’s where we stalled. The bicam is worried if we enrol the bill, then it will vetoed by the President, which is a pity, so we suspended the deliberations to gather more inputs,” Lacson explained.

He said the committee will decide at the next hearing whether to retain or totally drop the provision from the AFP modernization bill.

He said they would prefer to take a step backward now and ensure the President’s approval. “It’s better to be realistic; if there’s no certainty about where the funds will come from, better to drop that from the law,” Lacson said.

Still, Lacson said there are many ways the AFP can source the funds, such as the sale of AFP assets, or their lease, and the General Appropriations Act (GAA).

The National Expenditure Program has an allocation of P15 billion for the first year of modernization and the total amount of P75 billion for the period of five years, Lacson said.

Of the P15 billion, P10 billion is for unprogrammed funds, while P5 billion is for the AFP Modernization.

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/41902/economic-managers-stall-bicameral-work-on-afp-upgrade---lacson

Question: WTF is this "P10 billion is for unprogrammed funds" for?

^^Dapat yang ang kinukwestyon nina Osmena at Casino unless nakikinabang sila dyan

Question: WTF is this "P10 billion is for unprogrammed funds" for?

black ops.... pang pondo sa ISAFP.. pang torture ng mga MILF, BNLA at kung sino sinong insurgents :nuts::nuts::nuts:

US helps Philippines fortify defense in Palawan (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/48552/us-helps-philippines-fortify-defense-in-palawan)
By Tarra Quismundo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
12:42 am | Friday, August 31st, 2012

Pursuing its pivot to Asia strategy, the United States on Thursday handed over to the Philippines new equipment to improve surveillance and law enforcement operations in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea) as President Benigno Aquino prepared to meet China’s leader for talks that may include territorial disputes in those waters.

US Ambassador to the Philippines Harry Thomas turned over to police and local government officials in Palawan province two new patrol boats and two boat-towing pick-ups to support the Philippine National Police Special Boat Unit (SBU) in the island province.

The United States is also helping the Philippines build a new SBU outstation on Balabac Island, off Palawan’s southernmost tip close to Sabah in Borneo.

Police and local officials in Palawan said the new equipment would not be used for border patrols in disputed parts of the West Philippine Sea but for surveillance against transnational crimes.

Containing China

But US help to China’s rivals for territory in the West Philippine Sea is seen in Beijing as an attempt to contain China’s growing influence in the Asia-Pacific region, drawing hawkish comments from Chinese military leaders increasingly suspicious about Washington’s renewed focus on Asia.

The United States has said it has national interest in the maintenance of stability and freedom of navigation in the West Philippine Sea, parts of which US allies the Philippines, Vietnam and Taiwan claim but all of which China insists is part of its territory.

In April, China’s insistence of sovereignty over the entire sea met resistance from the Philippines, which stood its ground at Panatag Shoal (Scarborough Shoal), a reef within Philippine territory where Chinese fishermen had been caught poaching sharks and harvesting rare clams and corals. For two months, two Philippine vessels faced off with Chinese ships that sought to prevent the arrest of the fishermen until stormy weather drove the Filipinos to shelter in mid-June.

The standoff has soured relations between the two countries, but Beijing’s proffer of a bilateral meeting between President Aquino and Chinese President Hu Jintao on the sidelines of the 20th Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (Apec) leaders’ summit in Russia next week was seen as a sign that China is cooperating with the Philippines in finding a peaceful solution to the dispute.

Apec summit

The Apec leaders’ summit will be held on Russky Island, in the Pacific Ocean off the port city of Vladivostok, on September 8 and 9.

Foreign Undersecretary Laura del Rosario told a press briefing in Malacañang on Wednesday that China had proposed a one-on-one meeting between President Aquino and Hu and that Mr. Aquino would accept.

Mr. Aquino leaves for Vladivostok on September 7 to join other regional and world leaders in the summit on Russky.

He will join exchanges on trade and liberalization, regional economic integration, strengthening food security, establishing reliable supply chains and cooperation to foster innovative growth. Officials said the Philippines would present its position on each of these issues.

The President will address the Apec Business Advisory Council (Abac) Dialogue with Leaders, after which he will meet with Hu and the leaders of Japan, Singapore and Chile.

Del Rosario said Mr. Aquino would not raise the West Philippine Sea dispute in his meeting with Hu, but Hu was expected to bring it up.

In that case, Del Rosario said Mr. Aquino would explain to the Chinese side what the Philippines was doing to “deescalate” tensions and maintain economic relations.

Focus on partnerships

Del Rosario said the meeting had not yet been confirmed, as the Philippine and Chinese delegations were still preparing their schedules.

But she said the Chinese side had proposed the meeting, and Mr. Aquino would accept.

She said the Philippines wanted to focus on boosting economic partnerships with China during the meeting, not the West Philippine Sea dispute.

Aimed at fighting transnational crime, Thursday’s US activity in Palawan should not derail the Russky meeting.

Joint naval patrols

The US Embassy in Manila said the donation was part of continuing $9-million (P380-million) US support to the SBU program, which was established in 2010 through a partnership between the PNP and the US Department of Justice’s International Criminal Investigative Training Assistance Program.

“This partnership has greatly increased the capabilities of the Philippine authorities to confront long-standing transnational organized criminal activity,” Thomas said in a statement.

The new equipment will also be useful should the Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia approve joint patrols of their sea borders to combat piracy, smuggling and the movement of al-Qaeda-linked terrorists.

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin on Thursday said that the proposal was discussed during his meeting earlier this week with his Malaysian and Indonesian counterparts, who traveled to the Philippines to visit their troops involved in efforts to strengthen a ceasefire between the Philippine military and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front.

Gazmin said the three countries would study the proposed joint naval patrols, along with real-time information exchanges and rapid-response arrangements to deal with emergencies at sea and cross-border crimes.

First proposed in 2006 as a “modern police unit fully capable of enforcing maritime law,” the PNP SBU in Palawan has seized contraband worth $1.1 million, or nearly P50 million, made 200 arrests at sea and accosted 17 vessels.

The arrests were related to cigarette and fuel smuggling, illegal drugs and weapons, illegal fishing and poaching of protected marine resources.

Illegal fishing and poaching are problems involving Chinese fishermen, but if the talks between Mr. Aquino and Hu are successful, Manila can expect an easing of these causes of friction with Beijing.

That last sentence is juat too trusting of china. I would not do thay

http://static.progressivemediagroup.com/uploads/imagelibrary/yujkyukou.jpg

Acquisition of a multi-role vessel (MRV)
http://www.odt.co.nz/files/story/2008/09/the_hmnzs_canterbury__2108678694.JPG
The Navy has been cleared to begin negotiations for the purchase of a multirole vessel from any of the friendly nations, Rear Admiral Alexander Pama said on Sunday.
“The latest process that we had undergone with the Department of National Defense had good results and we did not encounter anymore objections,” Pama said.

But Pama said the Navy has yet to obtain President Aquino’s approval for the purchase plan, which is part of the military’s modernization.

An MRV, which costs at least P5 billion, will serve as a mother ship equipped with state-of-the-art radars and sensors for monitoring aircrafts and patrol boats, Pama said.
http://www.afpmodernization.com/post/acquisition-of-a-multi-role-vessel-mrv/

US mulls expanding patrol boat program in PH

By Philip C. Tubeza
Philippine Daily Inquirer
5:59 pm | Friday, August 31st, 2012

MANILA, Philippines–The United States is planning to expand a patrol boat program it sponsors for the Philippine National Police which helps secure vital international sea lanes in the West Philippine Sea, a high ranking police official said on Friday.

Police Director Samuel Diciano, PNP Director director for operations, said the US International Criminal Investigative Training Assistance Program was eyeing building two more Special Boat Units (SBU) stations in Taganak, Turtle Islands and in Bongao, Tawi-Tawi to maximize the unit’s operational capability of the SBU.

This came after US ambassador Harry K. Thomas Jr. on Thursday turned over to the PNP two 31-footer rigid-hull boats for the SBU stations in Puerto Princesa and Balabac, Palawan.

“The operation of the SBU is not solely for internal security and domestic law enforcement,” Diciano said in a statement.

“The SBU stationed in Puerto Princesa and Balabac form part of a tri-lateral security system that will ensure maritime security in the international sea lanes in the waters off Palawan and in the Sulu-Sulawesi Sea, bordering the Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia, as these sea lanes are vital to the economy of the three countries,” he added.



Diciano said the SBU now has six police patrol boats (PBBs) donated by the US and they are now deployed in areas patrolled by the PNP Maritime Group in Palawan.



He said six PBBs were part of the US$9-million technical assistance package provided by the US government to the PNP.

The PPBs, manufactured by NAIAD of Rhode Island in the US are powered by twin 250HP engines that can reach speeds of up to 51 knots, and are fully equipped with navigation, communication and weapons systems.

The new boats come with complete support equipment including trailers, tow trucks and spare engines.

The ICITAP has provided the technical assistance and logistics for establishment of the SBUs in Palawan.

The US-sponsored project was launched in 2009 with the formal inauguration of the SBU headquarters and boathouse in Puerto Princesa.

Constructed on a 2,000-square meter lot donated by Puerto Princesa, the SBU boathouse is equipped with dry-dock facilities for boat repair and maintenance.

The Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia have also been involved in strengthening maritime law enforcement in the seas bordering North Sulawesi and Mindanao as a measure against transnational crime and terrorism in the high seas.

“Thru these international cooperation and initiatives, we are confident the PNP will be able to effectively play its active role in maritime law enforcement and security in the Southeast Asian region,” Diciano said.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/48616/us-mulls-expanding-patrol-boat-program-in-ph

from FB: Modernize the Philippine Navy
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NEW PATROL BOATS US Ambassador Harry Thomas and Police Director Samuel Diciano pour champagne on two patrol boats during the turnover of $9-million worth of equipment donated by the US government to the PNP Special Boat Unit in Palawan on Thursday. PNP-PIO


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This is the much talked about ship that was reportedly costs at least P5 billion each. The Philippines wants to buy two for the Philippine navy, lead ships for amphibious warfare and to serve as mother ship! equipped with state-of-the-art radars and sensors!
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=443676482351888&set=a.198146146904924.61420.198144786905060&type=1&theater

Funding issue stalls military upgrade bill

POSSIBLE DISAGREEMENTS with the Executive on tapping royalties from natural gas operations prompted the bicameral conference committee to suspend deliberations on the military modernization fund bill, a lawmaker said.

"We suspended the conference and agreed to get more input on that particular provision," Senator Panfilo M. Lacson, Senate panel chairman, said in a text message yesterday.

House Bill No. 6410 proposes "a reasonable amount from the share of the national government in the Malampaya oil and gas exploration and such other similar or related explorations for energy" for the upgrade program.

The Senate did not include such funding source in its version due to opposition from the departments of Energy, and Budget and Management, said Mr. Lacson.

Forcing the issue might prompt President Benigno S. C. Aquino III to veto the bill, he noted.

Mr. Lacson further said during the meeting on Wednesday that the term reasonable amount on the funding requirement is "very vague."

Muntinlupa Rep. Rodolfo G. Biazon, head of the House panel, then suggested to replace the term with 35%.

Mr. Lacson said the committee will again meet next week to further deliberate on the priority bill.

The house version proposed a 15-year modernization program, with a ₱75-billion budget for the first five years. Senate Bill No. 3164, on the other hand, has earmarked ₱50 billion for the first five years. The previous Armed Forces modernization program under Republic Act No, 7898 ended in 2010.

Upgrading the military’s capability has been considered an urgent issue given the territorial conflict at the West Philippines Sea (South China Sea) which is reported to be rich in oil and gas deposits.

Tensions in particular rose with China in April over the Scarborough Shoal west of Luzon island.

http://www.bworldonline.com/content.php?section=Nation&title=Funding-issue-stalls-military-upgrade-bill&id=57709

Hay naku.:bash:

http://static.progressivemediagroup.com/uploads/imagelibrary/yujkyukou.jpg

Whose sub is this?

Funding issue stalls military upgrade bill

POSSIBLE DISAGREEMENTS with the Executive on tapping royalties from natural gas operations prompted the bicameral conference committee to suspend deliberations on the military modernization fund bill, a lawmaker said.

"We suspended the conference and agreed to get more input on that particular provision," Senator Panfilo M. Lacson, Senate panel chairman, said in a text message yesterday.

House Bill No. 6410 proposes "a reasonable amount from the share of the national government in the Malampaya oil and gas exploration and such other similar or related explorations for energy" for the upgrade program.

The Senate did not include such funding source in its version due to opposition from the departments of Energy, and Budget and Management, said Mr. Lacson.

Forcing the issue might prompt President Benigno S. C. Aquino III to veto the bill, he noted.

Mr. Lacson further said during the meeting on Wednesday that the term reasonable amount on the funding requirement is "very vague."

Muntinlupa Rep. Rodolfo G. Biazon, head of the House panel, then suggested to replace the term with 35%.

Mr. Lacson said the committee will again meet next week to further deliberate on the priority bill.

The house version proposed a 15-year modernization program, with a ₱75-billion budget for the first five years. Senate Bill No. 3164, on the other hand, has earmarked ₱50 billion for the first five years. The previous Armed Forces modernization program under Republic Act No, 7898 ended in 2010.

Upgrading the military’s capability has been considered an urgent issue given the territorial conflict at the West Philippines Sea (South China Sea) which is reported to be rich in oil and gas deposits.

Tensions in particular rose with China in April over the Scarborough Shoal west of Luzon island.

http://www.bworldonline.com/content.php?section=Nation&title=Funding-issue-stalls-military-upgrade-bill&id=57709

Hay naku.:bash:

As a collateral for the stalled plans, the senatongs and tongressmen should be required to patrol the WPS with a wooden boat and itak only. :lol:

Acquisition of a multi-role vessel (MRV)
http://www.odt.co.nz/files/story/2008/09/the_hmnzs_canterbury__2108678694.JPG
The Navy has been cleared to begin negotiations for the purchase of a multirole vessel from any of the friendly nations, Rear Admiral Alexander Pama said on Sunday.
“The latest process that we had undergone with the Department of National Defense had good results and we did not encounter anymore objections,” Pama said.

But Pama said the Navy has yet to obtain President Aquino’s approval for the purchase plan, which is part of the military’s modernization.

An MRV, which costs at least P5 billion, will serve as a mother ship equipped with state-of-the-art radars and sensors for monitoring aircrafts and patrol boats, Pama said.
http://www.afpmodernization.com/post/acquisition-of-a-multi-role-vessel-mrv/

This MRV project has long been overdue! :ohno:

Malaysian Navy..

Whose sub is this?

Malaysian Navy..

Is it the controversial Scorpène submarine?

The Malaysian Navy reports that Malaysia's first Scorpene class submarine, delivered in September 2009, has developed problems that have left it unable to submerge. "The submarine can still dive but when we detected the defects, we were advised that it should not dive," Defense Minister Ahmad Zahid Hamidi said. "The defects are still covered by warranty, so the supplier and contractor are repairing them," he added.

This is the third fault found with the Scorpenes built for Malaysia. Malaysian Navy commander Abdul Aziz Jaafar said the first problem to emerge involved the submarine's cooling system This problem was discovered last December. This delayed the submarine's voyage from France to Malaysia.

During January 2010 another defect was identified, in a different system. These faults have already delayed the delivery of the second submarine, the KD Tun Razak. This submarine was originally scheduled for delivery in late 2009 but will now enter service in May 2010.

http://www.defenseworld.net/go/defensenews.jsp?id=4164

^^Haha. So basically, they bought a submarine that cant even do its duty :lol:

Philippine Navy To Buy 3 New Ships and Installs New Coast Watch Stations in Mindanao

Fresh Ship arrival date is April 2013.

Full story
http://philippinedefensereview.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/philippine-navy-to-buy-3-new-ships-and-installs-new-coast-watch-stations-in-mindanao/

^^Haha. So basically, they bought a submarine that cant even do its duty :lol:

Right! A submarine that can't submerge! :lol: :banana: :lol:

Well that's the main reason why our Philippine Navy is studying first before buying their very first submarine so they won't commit the same mistake that Malaysia did.

Funding issue stalls military upgrade bill

POSSIBLE DISAGREEMENTS with the Executive on tapping royalties from natural gas operations prompted the bicameral conference committee to suspend deliberations on the military modernization fund bill, a lawmaker said.

"We suspended the conference and agreed to get more input on that particular provision," Senator Panfilo M. Lacson, Senate panel chairman, said in a text message yesterday.

House Bill No. 6410 proposes "a reasonable amount from the share of the national government in the Malampaya oil and gas exploration and such other similar or related explorations for energy" for the upgrade program.

The Senate did not include such funding source in its version due to opposition from the departments of Energy, and Budget and Management, said Mr. Lacson.

Forcing the issue might prompt President Benigno S. C. Aquino III to veto the bill, he noted.

Mr. Lacson further said during the meeting on Wednesday that the term reasonable amount on the funding requirement is "very vague."

Muntinlupa Rep. Rodolfo G. Biazon, head of the House panel, then suggested to replace the term with 35%.

Mr. Lacson said the committee will again meet next week to further deliberate on the priority bill.

The house version proposed a 15-year modernization program, with a ₱75-billion budget for the first five years. Senate Bill No. 3164, on the other hand, has earmarked ₱50 billion for the first five years. The previous Armed Forces modernization program under Republic Act No, 7898 ended in 2010.

Upgrading the military’s capability has been considered an urgent issue given the territorial conflict at the West Philippines Sea (South China Sea) which is reported to be rich in oil and gas deposits.

Tensions in particular rose with China in April over the Scarborough Shoal west of Luzon island.

http://www.bworldonline.com/content.php?section=Nation&title=Funding-issue-stalls-military-upgrade-bill&id=57709

Hay naku.:bash:

That question is very easy to answer: their pork barrel funds.

Funding issue stalls military upgrade bill

POSSIBLE DISAGREEMENTS with the Executive on tapping royalties from natural gas operations prompted the bicameral conference committee to suspend deliberations on the military modernization fund bill, a lawmaker said.

"We suspended the conference and agreed to get more input on that particular provision," Senator Panfilo M. Lacson, Senate panel chairman, said in a text message yesterday.

House Bill No. 6410 proposes "a reasonable amount from the share of the national government in the Malampaya oil and gas exploration and such other similar or related explorations for energy" for the upgrade program.

The Senate did not include such funding source in its version due to opposition from the departments of Energy, and Budget and Management, said Mr. Lacson.

Forcing the issue might prompt President Benigno S. C. Aquino III to veto the bill, he noted.

Mr. Lacson further said during the meeting on Wednesday that the term reasonable amount on the funding requirement is "very vague."

Muntinlupa Rep. Rodolfo G. Biazon, head of the House panel, then suggested to replace the term with 35%.

Mr. Lacson said the committee will again meet next week to further deliberate on the priority bill.

The house version proposed a 15-year modernization program, with a ₱75-billion budget for the first five years. Senate Bill No. 3164, on the other hand, has earmarked ₱50 billion for the first five years. The previous Armed Forces modernization program under Republic Act No, 7898 ended in 2010.

Upgrading the military’s capability has been considered an urgent issue given the territorial conflict at the West Philippines Sea (South China Sea) which is reported to be rich in oil and gas deposits.

Tensions in particular rose with China in April over the Scarborough Shoal west of Luzon island.

http://www.bworldonline.com/content.php?section=Nation&title=Funding-issue-stalls-military-upgrade-bill&id=57709

Hay naku.:bash:

itong mga walang pakinabang na mga senaTONGressman nasuhulan na naman ata ng China o gustong suhulan muna bago kumilos, baka naman antayin na naman nating may malagas na teritoryo sa WPS para umusad na ng tuloy-tuloy ang planong ito? pwede bang i-moratorium muna ang pagbigay ng pork barrel para narin mawala na lahat ang mga senatongressman na walang mga pakinabang yan lang naman pinag aawayan ng mga higad na yan!

Air Force gains credibility with Sokor light attack jets
Manila Standard
http://manilastandardtoday.com/2012/09/02/air-force-gains-credibility-with-sokor-light-attack-jets/

BASA AIR BASE, Floridablanca, Pampanga— Not too long ago, the Philippines Air Force was frequently ribbed as being all air with no force, but PAF chief Lt. Gen. Lauro Catalino de la Cruz hopes the snickering will soon stop with the looming acquisition of 12 TA-50 light attack jets from South Korea.

“There’s an ongoing top-level discussion at the Department of National Defense for the acquisition of the much needed air assets,” De la Cruz said during the 51st anniversary of PAF Air Defense Wing stationed at this air base.

The defense department announced the selection of the South Korean jets last Aug. 1 and officials expect the signing of the purchase contract within the next few months.

De la Cruz said top defense officials want to request the immediate delivery of two TA-f0 jets so that PAF pilots can begin training and be ready for the delivery of entire order of 24 jets by 2016.

“This is a realization of the dream we have dreamt a long, long time ago,” De la Cruz said. “That is why many of our personnel will be sent to schooling abroad for air traffic control and related courses.”

Aside from the jets, De la Cruz said the PAF will also construct three radar stations at Lubang Island, Palawan and Zamboanga next year, boosting the air force’s ability to monitor all aircraft entering Philippine territory.

“We will make sure that the proposed facilities and aircraft are tailored-fit to our requirement,” De la Cruz said, noting that even the choice of the South Korean jet was based on the advantages it offered to the military in consideration of the situation in the West Philippine Sea.

The TA-50 is the light attack version of the T-50 Golden Eagle, South Korea’s first indigenous supersonic aircraft and one of the world’s few supersonic trainers, built by Korea Aerospace Industries and Lockheed Martin of the United States.

The jet’s design is largely derived from the F-16 Fighting Falcon, and they have many similarities: use of a single engine, speed, size, cost, and the range of weapons.

The TA-50 mounts a M197 20mm three-barrel cannon and a fire control radar system. It can accommodate the AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missile and a variety of additional weapons can be mounted to underwing hardpoints.

Compatible air-to-surface weapons include the AGM-65 Maverick air-to-ground missile, Hydra 70 rocket launchers, CBU-58 and Mk-20 cluster bombs, and Mk-82, ?83, and ?84 general purpose bombs.

U.S. Navy
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JOINT BASE PEARL HARBOR-HICKAM (Aug. 27, 2012) Sailors secure the Pearl Harbor-based guided-missile frigate USS Crommelin (FFG 37) upon its return to Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam after conducting her final underway mission off the coast of Hawaii. Originally commissioned in 1983, Crommelin is slated to begin the decommissioning process in late October after nearly 30 years of operations, including counter narcotics and tanker escort missions around the world. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Daniel Barker/Released) Oscar Sosa

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151018739227823&set=a.10151018739182823.417654.74281347822&type=1&theater

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151018739227823&set=a.10151018739182823.417654.74281347822&type=1&theater

Ito bilhin baka mura. :)

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JOINT BASE PEARL HARBOR-HICKAM (Aug. 27, 2012) Sailors secure the Pearl Harbor-based guided-missile frigate USS Crommelin (FFG 37) upon its return to Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam after conducting her final underway mission off the coast of Hawaii. Originally commissioned in 1983, Crommelin is slated to begin the decommissioning process in late October after nearly 30 years of operations, including counter narcotics and tanker escort missions around the world. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Daniel Barker/Released) Oscar Sosa

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151018739227823&set=a.10151018739182823.417654.74281347822&type=1&theater

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151018739227823&set=a.10151018739182823.417654.74281347822&type=1&theater

Ito bilhin baka mura. :)

mukhang mas magandang deterrent at may psycological impact yung mobile cruise missile at mobile AAM umbrellas along the stretch sa palawan kaysa mamili tayo ng mga decommissioned at tinanggalan ng mga armas na US frigates,..

US surveillance aircraft to join PHL naval exercise
Saturday, 01 September 2012 20:21 PNA

A U.S. Lockheed P-3C Orion maritime surveillance aircraft will be participating in the Philippine Navy’s naval exercise off Maasim Point, Sarangani Bay, from September 3 to 7.

The P-3C Orion is described as a “land-based, long-range, anti-submarine warfare patrol aircraft” by the web site of the US Naval Air Systems Command.

The activity, which is the second part of the Coast Watch South Capability Exercise 2012, will involve the deployment of BRP Teotimo Figuracion (PG-389), with BRP Salvador Abcede as alternate vessel, a Navy Islander aircraft, a naval boarding team, two light patrol boats and reserve units.

A fishing boat, the FB Explorer, will serve as contact of interest.
http://businessmirror.com.ph/home/top-news/32142-us-surveillance-aircraft-to-join-phl-naval-exercise

Air Force gains credibility with Sokor light attack jets
Manila Standard
http://manilastandardtoday.com/2012/09/02/air-force-gains-credibility-with-sokor-light-attack-jets/

BASA AIR BASE, Floridablanca, Pampanga— Not too long ago, the Philippines Air Force was frequently ribbed as being all air with no force, but PAF chief Lt. Gen. Lauro Catalino de la Cruz hopes the snickering will soon stop with the looming acquisition of 12 TA-50 light attack jets from South Korea.

“There’s an ongoing top-level discussion at the Department of National Defense for the acquisition of the much needed air assets,” De la Cruz said during the 51st anniversary of PAF Air Defense Wing stationed at this air base.

The defense department announced the selection of the South Korean jets last Aug. 1 and officials expect the signing of the purchase contract within the next few months.

De la Cruz said top defense officials want to request the immediate delivery of two TA-f0 jets so that PAF pilots can begin training and be ready for the delivery of entire order of 24 jets by 2016.

“This is a realization of the dream we have dreamt a long, long time ago,” De la Cruz said. “That is why many of our personnel will be sent to schooling abroad for air traffic control and related courses.”

Aside from the jets, De la Cruz said the PAF will also construct three radar stations at Lubang Island, Palawan and Zamboanga next year, boosting the air force’s ability to monitor all aircraft entering Philippine territory.

“We will make sure that the proposed facilities and aircraft are tailored-fit to our requirement,” De la Cruz said, noting that even the choice of the South Korean jet was based on the advantages it offered to the military in consideration of the situation in the West Philippine Sea.

The TA-50 is the light attack version of the T-50 Golden Eagle, South Korea’s first indigenous supersonic aircraft and one of the world’s few supersonic trainers, built by Korea Aerospace Industries and Lockheed Martin of the United States.

The jet’s design is largely derived from the F-16 Fighting Falcon, and they have many similarities: use of a single engine, speed, size, cost, and the range of weapons.

The TA-50 mounts a M197 20mm three-barrel cannon and a fire control radar system. It can accommodate the AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missile and a variety of additional weapons can be mounted to underwing hardpoints.

Compatible air-to-surface weapons include the AGM-65 Maverick air-to-ground missile, Hydra 70 rocket launchers, CBU-58 and Mk-20 cluster bombs, and Mk-82, ?83, and ?84 general purpose bombs.

So it's now 24 not just 12 and they're describing it now as light attack jets! By the way, the F-16 is faster and more expensive than the TA-50.

Another report stated 10 planes .

If it's 24 then these will be the paf's "mrf's" ... .

Another report stated 10 planes .

If it's 24 then these will be the paf's "mrf's" ... .

timeline's within CUP 2..MRF's and Subs for CUP 3

Japan waiting for PH request on brand new patrol boats
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/48776/japan-waiting-for-ph-request-on-brand-new-patrol-boats

And now
PH formally requesting 12 brand new Patrol ships from Japan
http://www.afpmodernization.com/post/ph-formally-requesting-12-brand-new-patrol-ships-from-japan/

Japan to Philippines: Do you want Coast Guard ships or not?
Philippine Daily Inquirer
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/48776/japan-waiting-for-ph-request-on-brand-new-patrol-boats

Saying that “the ball is in the Philippines’ court,” Japan has revealed that its plan to provide the Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) with 12 brand new patrol boats had yet to officially take off.

In a text message to the Philippine Daily Inquirer, the Japanese Embassy-attached Japan Information and Culture Center (JICC) said over the weekend that “the status of the aid program has not changed.”

“It remains a plan since we have not yet received any official request from the Philippine side,” said the JICC, which added, “Please contact the Department of Transportation and Communications, the PCG or the National Economic and Development Authority for updates.”

Contacted shortly before he was named interior secretary by President Benigno Aquino, then Transportation Secretary Manuel Roxas said: “We, the DOTC, and the Coast Guard are working with the Japanese government and with the Department of Foreign Affairs on this.”

“I understand the DFA is already requesting formally (for the boats),” Roxas had told the Inquirer.

For its part, the DFA said “the plan of Japan to provide patrol boats to our Coast Guard has already been approved by the Neda.”

“We will formally inform the Japanese authorities as soon as possible,” said Raul Hernandez, the DFA spokesperson.

Minister Shinsuke Shimizu, head of the Japanese Embassy’s chancery, said in an earlier interview that unlike the decades-old and stripped-down ships the Philippines has been getting from the United States, the patrol boats the PCG will get from Japan will be brand new.

Japan, he said, “has yet to decide which of the vessels will be built and transferred to the Philippine government on official development assistance or grants.”

He pointed out that “since 1990, Japan has been helping the Coast Guard in its capacity-building program.”

Fourteen years ago, Tokyo gave Manila a marine accident response and buoy tender ship that the agency named the BRP Corregidor.

Japan to Philippines: Do you want Coast Guard ships or not?
Philippine Daily Inquirer
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/48776/japan-waiting-for-ph-request-on-brand-new-patrol-boats

Saying that “the ball is in the Philippines’ court,” Japan has revealed that its plan to provide the Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) with 12 brand new patrol boats had yet to officially take off.

In a text message to the Philippine Daily Inquirer, the Japanese Embassy-attached Japan Information and Culture Center (JICC) said over the weekend that “the status of the aid program has not changed.”

“It remains a plan since we have not yet received any official request from the Philippine side,” said the JICC, which added, “Please contact the Department of Transportation and Communications, the PCG or the National Economic and Development Authority for updates.”

Contacted shortly before he was named interior secretary by President Benigno Aquino, then Transportation Secretary Manuel Roxas said: “We, the DOTC, and the Coast Guard are working with the Japanese government and with the Department of Foreign Affairs on this.”

“I understand the DFA is already requesting formally (for the boats),” Roxas had told the Inquirer.

For its part, the DFA said “the plan of Japan to provide patrol boats to our Coast Guard has already been approved by the Neda.”

“We will formally inform the Japanese authorities as soon as possible,” said Raul Hernandez, the DFA spokesperson.

Minister Shinsuke Shimizu, head of the Japanese Embassy’s chancery, said in an earlier interview that unlike the decades-old and stripped-down ships the Philippines has been getting from the United States, the patrol boats the PCG will get from Japan will be brand new.

Japan, he said, “has yet to decide which of the vessels will be built and transferred to the Philippine government on official development assistance or grants.”

He pointed out that “since 1990, Japan has been helping the Coast Guard in its capacity-building program.”

Fourteen years ago, Tokyo gave Manila a marine accident response and buoy tender ship that the agency named the BRP Corregidor.

:nuts::nuts: STUPID MAR ROXAS.... WHAT PERFECTION FROM THE YELLOW GOVERNMENT

INCOMPETENT FOOLS

WTF is wrong with our officials?

WTF is wrong with our officials?

it's called noynoying..:bash:

thats corect its called noynoying. i dont like that guy he spend too much time on gloria than on the economy. He has the big opportunity to make the philippines rich right now and he is blowing it. everything moves slow or nothing at all. only the aquisition of hamilton is faster.

thats corect its called noynoying. i dont like that guy he spend too much time on gloria than on the economy. He has the big opportunity to make the philippines rich right now and he is blowing it. everything moves slow or nothing at all. only the aquisition of hamilton is faster.

I think Nonoy should thank Gloria for the hamilton class acquisition..
and why DOE funds were opened up to the AFP and how MYOA works..

JAPANESE LOVES US MORE THAN the americans

JAPANESE LOVES US MORE THAN the americans

Define Love.

Begging for assistance/monies from your Papas every year?:lol:

Define Love.

Begging for assistance/monies from your Papas every year?:lol:

Those are the manifestations! Love of money!:D

U.S. Navy
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JOINT BASE PEARL HARBOR-HICKAM (Aug. 27, 2012) Sailors secure the Pearl Harbor-based guided-missile frigate USS Crommelin (FFG 37) upon its return to Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam after conducting her final underway mission off the coast of Hawaii. Originally commissioned in 1983, Crommelin is slated to begin the decommissioning process in late October after nearly 30 years of operations, including counter narcotics and tanker escort missions around the world. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Daniel Barker/Released) Oscar Sosa

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151018739227823&set=a.10151018739182823.417654.74281347822&type=1&theater

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151018739227823&set=a.10151018739182823.417654.74281347822&type=1&theater

Ito bilhin baka mura. :)

Bakit kaya hindi ito inoffer sa PN? Masyado kaya mahal? Mas sariwa naman ito hamak kesa sa mga hamilton class cutter :lol:

thats corect its called noynoying. i dont like that guy he spend too much time on gloria than on the economy. He has the big opportunity to make the philippines rich right now and he is blowing it. everything moves slow or nothing at all.

Define "rich". Are you referring to GDP per capita (nominal or PPP)? GDP growth rate, HDI, poverty threshold, size of middle class?

:lol::lol:

Modernize the Philippine Navy
China building new structures at Mischief Reef
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg546/scaled.php?server=546&filename=120726mischief20reef.jpg&res=landing
China continues to tighten its grip in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea), building new structures on Mischief Reef, one of the areas being claimed by the Philippines.

Rommel Banlaoi, executive director of think tank Philippine Institute for Peace, Violence and Terrorism Research, said the latest structures to be spotted in the area were a windmill, solar panels, a concrete platform suitable for use as a helipad and a basketball court.

“Improved facilities bolster PRC’s (People’s Republic of China’s) effective occupation and increased vigilance in the disputed areas,” Banlaoi said yesterday.
http://www.pinoyofwcommunity.com/2012/09/china-building-new-structures-at.html#.UEQhydZlREx

Just like ANY other country, there are always strings attached for things given for "free". Ang tanong ano kaya yun? Wag tayong magreklamo sa revisionism ng gobyerno nila about the WW2? :lol:

This is why I rather that we BUY than we BEG

So it's now 24 not just 12 and they're describing it now as light attack jets! By the way, the F-16 is faster and more expensive than the TA-50.

Another report stated 10 planes .

If it's 24 then these will be the paf's "mrf's" ... .

I thought they were just gonna use as trainers only. I guess Arvor's speculation back them is right. Our gov't just wants "pointy" planes

Just like ANY other country, there are always strings attached for things given for "free". Ang tanong ano kaya yun? Wag tayong magreklamo sa revisionism ng gobyerno nila about the WW2? :lol:

This is why I rather that we BUY than we BEG

That reminds me: Sorry Kitkat break/sorry OT what is this shit?

BSP backs yuan as major international currency (http://business.inquirer.net/76857/bsp-backs-yuan-as-major-international-currency)

Yup sometimes "Free" is not really free in the true sense of the word. Kadalasan meron din yang kapalit na di naman nating masa alam kung ano. Well that's the "Big Unknown" before we can really say the gov't for a lack of a better expression is "noynoying" on this issue. As they say, "there's no such thing as a free lunch!"


Just like ANY other country, there are always strings attached for things given for "free". Ang tanong ano kaya yun?

This is why I rather that we BUY than we BEG

Just like ANY other country, there are always strings attached for things given for "free". Ang tanong ano kaya yun? Wag tayong magreklamo sa revisionism ng gobyerno nila about the WW2?

This is why I rather that we BUY than we BEG

Yup sometimes "Free" is not really free in the true sense of the word. Kadalasan meron din yang kapalit na di naman nating masa alam kung ano. Well that's the "Big Unknown" before we can really say the gov't for a lack of a better expression is "noynoying" on this issue. As they say, "there's no such thing as a free lunch!"


But the damulag likes freebies.
Anyway,

U.S. owes China convincing explanation of true intentions of its Asia Pivot policy (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/indepth/2012-09/03/c_131824191.htm)




Well, somebody thinks they don't owe an explanation themselves!:lol:

I thought they were just gonna use as trainers only. I guess Arvor's speculation back them is right. Our gov't just wants "pointy" planes

trainers indeed..BUT with LCA config unlike the italian 346...436? whatever :lol:

will it be the next MRF? maybe do maybe not..it depends how our economy goes within this decade..and if that president likes to play Modern warfare on PC :lol:

Just like ANY other country, there are always strings attached for things given for "free". Ang tanong ano kaya yun? Wag tayong magreklamo sa revisionism ng gobyerno nila about the WW2? :lol:

This is why I rather that we BUY than we BEG

Some people doesn't get it. The problem with self entitlement mindset without working hard to earn it. You just don't get anything out of thin air. No wonder we have people in charge having no vision of what we aspire to be in the future. :ohno::ohno:

But the damulag likes freebies.
Anyway,



Well, somebody thinks they don't owe an explanation themselves!:lol:

US doesn't owe s4it. The countries (even former enemies) affected by China's blunt intrusion into someone's backyards voluntarily seek out for Papa Sugar's help. :lol::lol:

The tale of two ambassadors

Thomas: US remains firm in commitment to defense treaty, re-pivot to Asia (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/48546/thomas-us-remains-firm-in-commitment-to-defense-treaty-re-pivot-to-asia)US military in Asia 'beneficial', envoy tells China (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/world/09/01/12/us-military-asia-beneficial-envoy-tells-china)

One of them is not wearing better shoes:nuts::lol:

The tale of two ambassadors



One of them is not wearing better shoes:nuts::lol:

Like they say, don't b/s a b/s'er. :lol::lol:

It just shows that the chicoms are amateur in so far as perfecting the art of b/sing. :lol:

As with the TA-50 / FA-50, it would good if KAI will have the same development similar to The JAS-Gripen.

Saab is currently developing it's Gripen and making it better. Now it has The NG Gripen plus carrier capable variants of this MRF. It is lightweight but it can perform well plus can carry a good amount of weapons.

Unless The FA-50 is further develop to perform a higher mach level plus a better performance.

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As with the TA-50 / FA-50, it would good if KAI will have the same development similar to The JAS-Gripen.

Saab is currently developing it's Gripen and making it better. Now it has The NG Gripen plus carrier capable variants of this MRF. It is lightweight but it can perform well plus can carry a good amount of weapons.

Unless The FA-50 is further develop to perform a higher mach level plus a better performance.

http://img.atwiki.jp/image/tmp/namacha/namacha_474.jpg

http://img.atwiki.jp/image/tmp/namacha/namacha_475.jpg

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WICKED
AWESOME

That reminds me: Sorry Kitkat break/sorry OT what is this shit?

BSP backs yuan as major international currency (http://business.inquirer.net/76857/bsp-backs-yuan-as-major-international-currency)

I smell fish. If Tetangco hates the dollars, it will make more sense to go back to silver reserves.

So he wants to convert the dollar reserves to yuan/rmb reserves :nuts:

No, converting to yuan does not make us less vulnerable. If China crashes, we crash too. Besides, it is unfair for us that China is not adjusting their value. Ano yan, tayo lang mag-aadjust ng value ng currency? Lugi ata

But the damulag likes freebies.
Anyway,



Well, somebody thinks they don't owe an explanation themselves!:lol:

US doesn't owe s4it. The countries (even former enemies) affected by China's blunt intrusion into someone's backyards voluntarily seek out for Papa Sugar's help. :lol::lol:


Before China asks the US to explain its intervention (anu ba hindi na secret na interventionist si Papi), China should explain first, what the heck do they mean by "core interest"(core interest, not national interest) and they owe us GENUINE proof about their claims on the WPS because their logic does not coincide history. :lol:

Basically, Taiwan's suggestion is that of the mainland. Only just in a softer tone :lol:


He also urged all neighboring countries to respond to Ma's East China Sea Peace Initiative by putting aside territorial disputes, replacing confrontation with dialogue, settling spats through communications and jointly prospecting for South China Sea resources to make the ocean a peaceful and prosperous maritime paradise.
(http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_Detail.aspx?Type=aALL&ID=201209010005)

Before Taiwan pats its back, ayusin muna nila yung condition ng foreign manual laborers :lol:

My guess: some countries want to feel as if they have part ownership because not an international law can get them cover the resource rich areas :lol:

I wonder why the DOTC and DFA is so slow in informing Japan about the 12 patrol boats project even though NEDA has approved it already, nakaka high blood talaga mga officials dito sa Pilipinas sa kabagalan kumilos ... :doh:

http://betterphils.blogspot.com/2012/09/usad-pagong-with-juan-tamad-attitude.html

Japan to Philippines: Do You Want Coast Guard Ships or Not?

Saying that "the ball is in the Philippines' court," Japan has revealed that its plan to provide the Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) with 12 brand new patrol boats had yet to officially take off.

In a text message to the Philippine Daily Inquirer, the Japanese Embassy-attached Japan Information and Culture Center (JICC) said over the weekend that "the status (of the aid program) has not changed.

It remains a plan since we have not yet received any official request from the Philippine side," said the JICC, which added, "Please contact the Department of Transportation and Communications, the PCG or the National Economic and Development Authority for updates.

I wonder why the DOTC and DFA is so slow in informing Japan about the 12 patrol boats project even though NEDA has approved it already, nakaka high blood talaga mga officials dito sa Pilipinas sa kabagalan kumilos ... :doh:

http://betterphils.blogspot.com/2012/09/usad-pagong-with-juan-tamad-attitude.html

Japan to Philippines: Do You Want Coast Guard Ships or Not?

Saying that "the ball is in the Philippines' court," Japan has revealed that its plan to provide the Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) with 12 brand new patrol boats had yet to officially take off.

In a text message to the Philippine Daily Inquirer, the Japanese Embassy-attached Japan Information and Culture Center (JICC) said over the weekend that "the status (of the aid program) has not changed.

It remains a plan since we have not yet received any official request from the Philippine side," said the JICC, which added, "Please contact the Department of Transportation and Communications, the PCG or the National Economic and Development Authority for updates.



Its really no wonder this kind of working attitude is prevalent in this government....just look at those PPP projects...they boasted and bragged before that they will roll out ten this year, now four months left ONLY TWO were rolled out...and the latest they said they are " confident " in rolling out four more...what happened to the ten they trumpeted in the beginning of this year?? :doh:

'China expanding Mischief structures'


MANILA, Philippines – China continues to tighten its grip in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea), building new structures on Mischief Reef, one of the areas being claimed by the Philippines.

Rommel Banlaoi, executive director of think tank Philippine Institute for Peace, Violence and Terrorism Research, said the latest structures to be spotted in the area were a windmill, solar panels, a concrete platform suitable for use as a helipad and a basketball court.

“Improved facilities bolster PRC’s (People’s Republic of China’s) effective occupation and increased vigilance in the disputed areas,” Banlaoi said in a text message to The STAR yesterday.

Banlaoi said he acquired a photo of the structures last June but believes it was taken months before.

He said he could not release the photo since only the one who provided it has the authority to do so.

“The point is China continues to improve its facilities and I think other claimants too,” Banlaoi said.

Mischief Reef is close to Ayungin Shoal, where the Philippines has a coast watch station. The reef is about 70 nautical miles from Palawan.

Mischief Reef, which the Philippines calls Panganiban Reef, has been occupied by China since 1995.

The Chinese initially constructed structures on stilts at Panganiban Reef, supposedly to provide shelter for fishermen, and later transformed them into a military garrison equipped with powerful radars and other air and maritime monitoring equipment.

Earlier, China also installed a powerful radar station in Subi Reef, an islet just 12 nautical miles southwest of Pag-asa Island, which is part of Kalayaan Island. The Chinese began building the four-story structure, including a lighthouse, six years ago.

The Philippines, on the other hand, has built a town hall, a health center, a 1.3-kilometer airstrip, a naval station and recently a kindergarten school at Pag-asa Island.

Based on records, Kalayaan Island is a sixth-class municipality in the province of Palawan and is composed of only one barangay, Pag-asa.

The Philippines is claiming several islets, shoals, reefs and sandbars in the Spratly Group of Islands, which is being claimed in whole by China.

China has been boosting its presence in the West Philippine Sea in a move seen as an effort to assert what it described as “indisputable sovereignty” over the area.

Aside from China and the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan also claim part of the islands, which are rich in natural resources.

All Spratly claimant countries have troops in the region, except for Brunei.

Navy joins Coast Watch exercises

Meanwhile, 200 Navy personnel will join the five-day Coast Watch System Capability Exercise 2012, which starts today.

The activity aims to harmonize the coordination of agencies with maritime platforms namely the Navy, Coast Guard and the Philippine National Police’s Maritime Group.

A US spy plane P3C Orion will participate in the activity and will complement the Philippine Navy Islander aircraft during a maritime surveillance exercise.

Participants from law enforcement organizations in Davao and General Santos will also be involved in the exercise. Observers from Australia, Malaysia, and Indonesia were also invited to the event.

Among the local assets that will be used in the exercises are two Navy ships, a Navy islander aircraft, a Navy Reservist ship and two police patrol fast boats.

“The exercise intends to promote inter-agency collaboration in line with the establishment of the National Coast Watch System,” Navy chief Vice Adm. Alexander Pama said.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=844730&publicationSubCategoryId=63

http://www.strategycenter.net/imgLib/20090706_08.jpg
china building a base..

China warns against intervention as Clinton visits Asia (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/48854/china-warns-against-intervention-as-clinton-visits-asia)
Agence France-Presse
6:51 pm | Monday, September 3rd, 2012

BEIJING – China on Monday warned the United States against taking sides in territorial disputes, as it prepared for a visit by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Clinton is currently on a tour of the Asia Pacific region during which she is expected to reaffirm calls for freedom of navigation in the South China Sea, where Southeast Asian nations have accused Beijing of growing assertiveness.

The United States is reinforcing its military presence in the Pacific, a move that analysts say is aimed at countering China’s growing power in the region, and which has sparked concern in Beijing.

“We hope the US side will uphold the wider interests of peace and stability and honor its commitments of not taking sides,” said foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei at a briefing.

“Countries outside this region should respect the choice of countries directly concerned with this issue and should earnestly honour their commitment of not taking sides in this dispute.”

In unusually robust statements, the United States has recently accused China of escalating tensions and warned against “divide and conquer” tactics after Beijing set up a remote garrison in the South China Sea.

The Philippines, Vietnam and other nations claim islands in the South China Sea — the passageway for half of the world’s commercial cargo — and have accused Beijing of a campaign of intimidation.

A commentary by China’s official Xinhua news agency went further than the foreign ministry comments, accusing the United States of “trying to alienate China from countries around the South China Sea”.

“Obviously, Washington’s approach is not conducive to the peaceful settlement of the disputes as well as the peace and stability in the area,” said the commentary, published a day before Clinton headed to China for talks with top leaders.

this is what im fearing..poverty/corruption , some country will take advantage..

HISTORY
when china tried to take over the philippines..

"Sangley Rebellion"
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The Sangley rebellion was a Sangley Chinese rebellion which took place in Manila, Philippines, in October 1603.[1]

The reasons for the rebellion are unclear,[2] but they seemed to have originated in the suspicions of the Spanish Archbishop Benavides against Chinese ambitions to control the Philippines.[1]

The rebellion was quelled by the Spaniards, together with the support of Filipinos and the Japanese settlement at Dilao.[1] The Japanese especially showed no mercy in the repression. Altogether 20,000 Chinese were killed.[2]

The former Governor of the Philippines, and failed conqueror of Cambodia, Luis Pérez Dasmariñas died during the rebellion when, overconfident of Spanish strength, he attacked a vastly superior number of Chinese. When cautioned from attacking by his fellow officers, he famously treated them as cowards and retorted that "twenty five Spaniards were enough to conquer the whole of China".[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangley_Rebellion

I wonder why the DOTC and DFA is so slow in informing Japan about the 12 patrol boats project even though NEDA has approved it already, nakaka high blood talaga mga officials dito sa Pilipinas sa kabagalan kumilos ... :doh:

http://betterphils.blogspot.com/2012/09/usad-pagong-with-juan-tamad-attitude.html

Japan to Philippines: Do You Want Coast Guard Ships or Not?
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:ohno::ohno: ano ba naman klaseng mga government officials ang mga ito kulang nalang ipokpok:bash:sa mga ulo nila ang mga ibibigay na patrol boats, japan pa ang nagpipilit tanggapin ang mga ito? maryosep, gusto yata may cash involved yung transaction para may kickback ang mga higad na makukupad nato:ohno:

Noynoying si Roxas sa DOTC. Ang tagal na niyan.

China warns against intervention as Clinton visits Asia (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/48854/china-warns-against-intervention-as-clinton-visits-asia)
Agence France-Presse
6:51 pm | Monday, September 3rd, 2012

BEIJING – China on Monday warned the United States against taking sides in territorial disputes, as it prepared for a visit by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Clinton is currently on a tour of the Asia Pacific region during which she is expected to reaffirm calls for freedom of navigation in the South China Sea, where Southeast Asian nations have accused Beijing of growing assertiveness.

The United States is reinforcing its military presence in the Pacific, a move that analysts say is aimed at countering China’s growing power in the region, and which has sparked concern in Beijing.

“We hope the US side will uphold the wider interests of peace and stability and honor its commitments of not taking sides,” said foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei at a briefing.

“Countries outside this region should respect the choice of countries directly concerned with this issue and should earnestly honour their commitment of not taking sides in this dispute.”

In unusually robust statements, the United States has recently accused China of escalating tensions and warned against “divide and conquer” tactics after Beijing set up a remote garrison in the South China Sea.

The Philippines, Vietnam and other nations claim islands in the South China Sea — the passageway for half of the world’s commercial cargo — and have accused Beijing of a campaign of intimidation.

A commentary by China’s official Xinhua news agency went further than the foreign ministry comments, accusing the United States of “trying to alienate China from countries around the South China Sea”.

“Obviously, Washington’s approach is not conducive to the peaceful settlement of the disputes as well as the peace and stability in the area,” said the commentary, published a day before Clinton headed to China for talks with top leaders.

The US will just make a suggestion in the news that it will ask congress to make the Philippines under its protectorate just similar to Japan pang ratlle the cage. Just to spread the humor from the US side. :)

http://www.afpmodernization.com/

Delivery of entire order of 24 TA-50 by 2016
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According to PAF chief Lt. Gen. Lauro Catalino de la Cruz top defense officials want to request the immediate delivery of two TA-50 light attack jets from South Korea so that PAF pilots can begin training and be ready for the delivery of entire order of 24 jets by 2016

“This is a realization of the dream we have dreamt a long, long time ago,” De la Cruz said. “That is why many of our personnel will be sent to schooling abroad for air traffic control and related courses.”

The jet’s design is largely derived from the F-16 Fighting Falcon, and they have many similarities: use of a single engine, speed, size, cost, and the range of weapons.

The TA-50 mounts a M197 20mm three-barrel cannon and a fire control radar system. It can accommodate the AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missile and a variety of additional weapons can be mounted to underwing hardpoints.

Compatible air-to-surface weapons include the AGM-65 Maverick air-to-ground missile, Hydra 70 rocket launchers, CBU-58 and Mk-20 cluster bombs, and Mk-82, ?83, and ?84 general purpose bombs.

http://www.afpmodernization.com/post/delivery-of-entire-order-of-24-ta-50-by-2016/
:okay:

^^^^ IMHO we should have the first batch of our MRF by that time...

IMHO we should have the first batch of our MRF by that time...

Lol if these plans go through then those miniature f16's are the mrf's .

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Let's just hope these toy planes don't find themselves facing Chinese aircraft or those of any of our neighbours either btw .

We can only hope none of them get into trouble before their short service life runs out it would just be embarassing, hopefully in 10-15 years we will finally get a chance to properly build a serious air force despite wasting funds with these things, until then the paf can show off during national day parades to convince most people who don't know any better that we have "jet's" .

Until an actual contract is signed tho this potential disaster can still be averted .

I wonder why the DOTC and DFA is so slow in informing Japan about the 12 patrol boats project even though NEDA has approved it already, nakaka high blood talaga mga officials dito sa Pilipinas sa kabagalan kumilos ... :doh:

http://betterphils.blogspot.com/2012/09/usad-pagong-with-juan-tamad-attitude.html

Japan to Philippines: Do You Want Coast Guard Ships or Not?

Saying that "the ball is in the Philippines' court," Japan has revealed that its plan to provide the Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) with 12 brand new patrol boats had yet to officially take off.

In a text message to the Philippine Daily Inquirer, the Japanese Embassy-attached Japan Information and Culture Center (JICC) said over the weekend that "the status (of the aid program) has not changed.

It remains a plan since we have not yet received any official request from the Philippine side," said the JICC, which added, "Please contact the Department of Transportation and Communications, the PCG or the National Economic and Development Authority for updates.


PH formally requesting 12 brand new Patrol ships from Japan

The plan of Japan to provide patrol ships to our Coast Guard has already been approved by NEDA.

According to DOTC Secretary Mar Roxas, the DFA is formally requesting the 12 brand new patrol vessels from Japan.

“We will formally inform the Japanese authorities as soon as possible,” said DFA spokesperson Raul Hernandez.

Japan has yet to decide of what vessels will be built and transferred to the Philippine government on official development assistance or grants.

“The 12 patrol boats will be fitted with modern equipment when they are transferred to the Philippine Coast Guard,” said Minister Shinsuke Shimizu, head of the Japanese Embassy’s chancery.

Source: http://www.afpmodernization.com/post/ph-formally-requesting-12-brand-new-patrol-ships-from-japan/


Noynoying :banana:

Sina is very peaceful:nuts:


China uses PHL as 'example' in illustrating defense policy

China has used its ongoing territorial row with the Philippines as an example of its "adherence" to peaceful development in the region.

Defense Minister Liang Guanglie mentioned the row in Sri Lanka while illustrating China's national defense policy, China's government portal reported.

"Take the recent Huangyan Island incident as an example, it is obvious that China's military strength is stronger than that of the Philippines, but we didn't use force or threat to use force, on the contrary, we have been committed to seeking solution of the dispute through diplomatic means," he said, according to the report... (http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/272156/news/nation/china-uses-phl-as-example-in-illustrating-defense-policy)

Sina is very peaceful:nuts:

and yet, they can't bull$4it Papa Sugar because he can bull$4it them back.

"Oh, the Asian Pivot is not really targeted to you guys". I thought you said you are peaceful."

Then, Papa sugar just sent his F-22's in their bases in Japan, plans to build the most powerful radar system in the Philippines, provide Philippines with patrol boats, spy planes and loads of s4it, plans to reopen the airbase in Cam Rahn Bay, etc...

:lol::lol::lol:

China is on its way to "legitimizing" its claims in the WPS by occupying it and what we are doing is merely saying that is not yours.

Whatever happened to the "plan" to file at least a complaint in the UN/ITLOS? It may not stop China, but it at least, per treaty signed, illegalizes China's occupation. The legal battle is THE battle that we cannot afford to lose!

Sina is very peaceful:nuts:


They are very bad liars. Their talk about them "punishing" the Philippines through military means has been said many times.

What "diplomatic" means are they saying? Or is it they have been perverting English words again? :nuts::nuts:

Maybe they are pissed off because despite their war rhetorics, dada pa rin ng dada at prodigal son ni Papi :lol:

its pretty obviouse..Yahoo writers have wantons in their mouths, and yuan in there pockets..

Clinton to urge ASEAN unity on South China Sea

"China and a host of Southeast Asian countries, including the Philippines, Vietnam and Brunei, have overlapping claims to several small, but potentially energy-rich areas of the South China Sea. The U.S. position has riled China, which has become increasingly assertive in pressing its territorial claims with its smaller neighbors and wants the disputes to be resolved individually with each country, giving it greater leverage than dealing with a bloc."

JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton called Monday for Southeast Asian states to present a united front to the Chinese in dealing with territorial disputes in the South China Sea to "literally calm the waters." And she urged all involved to make "meaningful progress" on a process for ending conflicts by November.

In Indonesia's capital Clinton offered strong U.S. support for a regionally endorsed plan to ease rising tensions by implementing a code of conduct for all claimants to disputed islands. Jakarta is the headquarters of the Association of South East Asian Nations, and Clinton also pressed the group to insist that China agree to a formal mechanism to reduce short-term risks of conflict and ultimately come to final settlements over sovereignty.

"The United States has a national interest, as every country does, in the maintenance of peace and stability, respect for international law, freedom of navigation, unimpeded lawful commerce in the South China Sea," Clinton told reporters at a news conference with Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa.

"The United States does not take a position on competing territorial claims ... but we believe the nations of the region should work collaboratively to resolve disputes without coercion, without intimidation and certainly without the use of force," she said. "That is why we encourage ASEAN and China to make meaningful progress toward finalizing a comprehensive code of conduct in order to establish rules of the road and clear procedures for peacefully addressing disagreements."

Indonesia has played a leading role in putting the six-point plan together after ASEAN was unable to reach consensus on the matter in July. Clinton said the U.S. is "encouraged" by the plan but wants it acted on — particularly implementation and enforcement of the code of conduct, which has languished since a preliminary framework for it was first agreed in 2002.

Clinton said the U.S., wants to see the disputes resolved between China and ASEAN. It said the alliance has collective clout that its 10 members do not have individually, adding that the U.S. sees it as important for ASEAN and China to have something to show for their efforts by a November summit of East Asian leaders that President Barack Obama plans to attend in Cambodia.

"It is time for diplomacy," she said. "We have the East Asia Summit coming up. This should be the goal that diplomacy pursues to try to attain agreement ... on a robust code of conduct to begin and begin to try to literally calm the waters and enable people to work together toward better outcomes. I think we can make progress before the East Asia Summit and it is certainly in everyone's interest that we do so."

Natalegawa agreed with Clinton on the importance of the code of conduct and the need to set it up quickly.

"We must try to have the code of conduct," he said. "Absent a code of conduct, absent the diplomatic process, we can be certain of more incidents and tension for our region. Absent an ASEAN unity, the question will become like a loose cannon in the way the issue is discussed."

China and a host of Southeast Asian countries, including the Philippines, Vietnam and Brunei, have overlapping claims to several small, but potentially energy-rich areas of the South China Sea. The U.S. position has riled China, which has become increasingly assertive in pressing its territorial claims with its smaller neighbors and wants the disputes to be resolved individually with each country, giving it greater leverage than dealing with a bloc.

In July, China angered the United States, as well as Vietnam and the Philippines, by creating a city and military garrison on a remote island 220 miles (350 kilometers) from its southernmost province intended to administer hundreds of thousands of square miles (kilometers) of water where China wants to strengthen its control over disputed islands. China, which also has disputes with Japan in the East China Sea, rejected the criticism.

In Beijing on Monday, the Chinese foreign ministry reiterated China's stance.

"The South China Sea issue is a dispute between the south China region countries and should be negotiated and resolved by them in a friendly way," spokesman Hong Lei said. "Other countries outside the region should respect the choice of those countries, and do more to help regional peace and stability and not the opposite."

Clinton travels to China on Tuesday to continue talks on the South China Sea and a number of other issues, including the crisis in Syria and ways to deal with Iran and North Korea's nuclear programs.

Clinton is in Indonesia on the second stop of an 11-day, six-nation tour that began in the Cook Islands will take her to East Timor, Brunei and Russia's Far East after China.

While in Jakarta, Clinton said she had raised human rights concerns in the wake of recent upticks in mob violence against religious minorities. She said Indonesia and the United States agreed that "there should be no discrimination against minorities on any basis and that we should promote freedom and tolerance for all."

Human Rights Watch had called for Clinton to bring up such cases and press the government "to take concrete steps to address rising religious intolerance" in Indonesia. It also asked her to address Indonesian authorities' use of blasphemy and criminal defamation laws that it says are being used to persecute minorities and political activists.

In addition, Clinton called for a dialogue in Indonesia's restive Papua province, which has been plagued by separatist violence.

"We support the territorial integrity of Indonesia, and that includes Papua and West Papua provinces," she said. "We believe strongly that dialogue ... would help address the concerns that Papuans have."

Papua, a former Dutch colony in the western part of New Guinea, was incorporated into Indonesia in 1969 after a U.N.-sponsored ballot. A small, poorly armed separatist group known as the Free Papua Movement has battled for independence since then.
http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-urge-asean-unity-south-china-sea-024604099.html

why asean is always to blame? why is not China or even taiwan even mentioned? they have bases all over S.China sea..

Well, ASEAN ALMOST came up with a code of conduct if not for the China's pet called Cambodia.

China, although it denies it, is trying to prevent ASEAN from having a formal code of conduct because China will lose its "illegal" advantage. The playing field will be leveled and the things that China is doing lately will automatically become illegal.

Oh well, Yahoo isn't a place for professional journalism. More of yellow journalism. Who knows who have been paid by the PRC :nuts:

Tired of China rhetoric. If they want to attack us then just do so. Their balls are getting smaller as their lies are getting bigger and bolder.

All lies no balls makes Hu an impotent asshole.

^^You had put it nicely :lol:

Their lies are 1 million times bigger than their balls :lol:

Just like ANY other country, there are always strings attached for things given for "free". Ang tanong ano kaya yun? Wag tayong magreklamo sa revisionism ng gobyerno nila about the WW2? :lol:

This is why I rather that we BUY than we BEG

only two coast guard ship is free, the rest are to be paid with low interest loan from the japan bank for international development.

its pretty obviouse..Yahoo writers have wantons in their mouths, and yuan in there pockets..

why asean is always to blame? why is not China or even taiwan even mentioned? they have bases all over S.China sea..

Yahoo! has a China office.

JAPANESE LOVES US MORE THAN the americans

Yeah reminds me of WW2 when they loved to rape our women and abuse our children!

trainers indeed..BUT with LCA config unlike the italian 346...436? whatever :lol:

Italy will introduce the production LCA variant of the M-346 next year. :cheers:


will it be the next MRF? maybe do maybe not..it depends how our economy goes within this decade..and if that president likes to play Modern warfare on PC :lol:

24 for trainer jets? Just think about that! The original plan was only 6 trainer jets but since the TA-50 is combat capable and we only have a couple of operational AS-211 jets left then that only means...

Lol if these plans go through then those miniature f16's are the mrf's .

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Let's just hope these toy planes don't find themselves facing Chinese aircraft or those of any of our neighbours either btw .

We can only hope none of them get into trouble before their short service life runs out it would just be embarassing, hopefully in 10-15 years we will finally get a chance to properly build a serious air force despite wasting funds with these things, until then the paf can show off during national day parades to convince most people who don't know any better that we have "jet's" .

Until an actual contract is signed tho this potential disaster can still be averted .

Our DND already said it... the TA-50 will be our retired F-5 replacement therefore our air defense of the future will still again be trainer jets! :lol:

^^ Hindi na nag-graduate sa trainer jets :lol:

Dapat we should be aggressive with the F-16 aquisition

Buti pa ang Indonesia, makakakuha sila nun

So much for the puede na yan mentality

:ohno::ohno: ano ba naman klaseng mga government officials ang mga ito kulang nalang ipokpok:bash:sa mga ulo nila ang mga ibibigay na patrol boats, japan pa ang nagpipilit tanggapin ang mga ito? maryosep, gusto yata may cash involved yung transaction para may kickback ang mga higad na makukupad nato:ohno:

There is one Answer. Preparation for the Election.

Italy will introduce the production LCA variant of the M-346 next year. :cheers:



24 for trainer jets? Just think about that! The original plan was only 6 trainer jets but since the TA-50 is combat capable and we only have a couple of operational AS-211 jets left then that only means...



Our DND already said it... the TA-50 will be our retired F-5 replacement therefore our air defense of the future will still again be trainer jets! :lol:

Making fun of the PAF, what's wrong with having 2 squadrons of brand new advance trainer/attack jet aircrafts ... BETTER THAN NOTHING ! :doh:

Italy will introduce the production LCA variant of the M-346 next year. :cheers:then technically TA-50 is the best option for LCA capable jet trainer . :)



24 for trainer jets? Just think about that! The original plan was only 6 trainer jets but since the TA-50 is combat capable and we only have a couple of operational AS-211 jets left then that only means... s211's will be retired.

TA-50's are JET TRAINERS. while a couple will probably not fly and act as spares. One squadron will be for dedicated patrol duties off our EEZ all over the country not just WPS and occasionally greet our ASG friends, with bombs. :cheers:



Our DND already said it... the TA-50 will be our retired F-5 replacement therefore our air defense of the future will still again be trainer jets! :lol:
like I said..maybe maybe not.. just like what happened to our S211's. everybody thought its the end of the line but here we are talking about LIFTS. If we have LIFTs of our shores, we'd probably argue what's the best MRF's to buy..lol


PAF by hook or by crook should push through with LIFT's acquisition..it's now or never.

I read in PDFF that we will be getting a $100 million advanced fighter jet as a FREEBIE for the TA-50 purchase! :banana:

http://www.pixstel.com/f-15k-slam-eagle-02-036_pics79-7957.jpg

Making fun of the PAF, what's wrong with having 2 squadrons of brand new advance trainer/attack jet aircrafts ... BETTER THAN NOTHING ! :doh:

Here's the answer, Mr. AZKALS... :)

^^ Hindi na nag-graduate sa trainer jets :lol:

Dapat we should be aggressive with the F-16 aquisition

Buti pa ang Indonesia, makakakuha sila nun

So much for the puede na yan mentality

Nabartek has a good point to ponder! :cheers:

Making fun of the PAF, what's wrong with having 2 squadrons of brand new advance trainer/attack jet aircrafts ... BETTER THAN NOTHING ! :doh:

oh boy.."pwede na iyan mentality" english version....

then technically TA-50 is the best option for LCA capable jet trainer . :)

That's for now. :)


s211's will be retired.

Not yet...


TA-50's are JET TRAINERS. while a couple will probably not fly and act as spares. One squadron will be for dedicated patrol duties off our EEZ all over the country not just WPS and occasionally greet our ASG friends, with bombs. :cheers:

The TA-50 package includes logistical support therefore there's no need to keep a couple not to fly so they can be cannibalized for spare parts. The TA-50 is a trainer/attack jet which is why it has the designation T for trainer and A for attack.

Where did you get the information that 1 squadron (at least 12 aircraft) will be used for dedicated EEZ patrol duty when in fact the news said 2 will be acquired first for training so that the remaining 10 will be used for air defense then the next 12 will be acquired by 2016 to fulfill the retired F-5 replacement plan.


like I said..maybe maybe not.. just like what happened to our S211's. everybody thought its the end of the line but here we are talking about LIFTS. If we have LIFTs of our shores, we'd probably argue what's the best MRF's to buy..lol

The S-211 was supposed to be our LIFT but there was no immediate replacement to the retired F-5 which is why the S-211 was converted to AS-211 where A stands for attack (S has no meaning because Italy doesn't use the same USAF designations, only the Philippines and South Korea does).

The S-211 was used extensively for the air defense role that it quickly shortened its service life so nobody should blame the aircraft nor its manufacturer but how it was used or rather abused.


PAF by hook or by crook should push through with LIFT's acquisition..it's now or never.

The TA-50 acquisition is a done deal. :cheers:

Sometimes, I think the reason why we do not seem to be able to get our hands with the F-16 is because our government shows that it is not serious in acquiring it. If you are we foreign government and you see a country not really that serious, I doubt we would even sell stuff to them. Our neighbors Taiwan and Indonesia are getting these from what I understand from the news.

Just look at how our government handles the Japanese partrol boats :lol::lol:

Mamaya magi-iba pa isip ng Japan dyan

The only thing left is for China to become more aggressive with their claims and even fire the cannon so that our government will realize the value of defense spending.

Sometimes, I think the reason why we do not seem to be able to get our hands with the F-16 is because our government shows that it is not serious in acquiring it. If you are we foreign government and you see a country not really that serious, I doubt we would even sell stuff to them. Our neighbors Taiwan and Indonesia are getting these from what I understand from the news.

Just look at how our government handles the Japanese partrol boats :lol::lol:

Mamaya magi-iba pa isip ng Japan dyan

We might (also) get the old KF-16 as a FREEBIE from the TA-50 purchase according to PDFF hints! :cheers:

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/upload/news/071122_p15_spepn.jpg

Akin na lang yung chick pilot! :lol:

The only thing left is for China to become more aggressive with their claims and even fire the cannon so that our government will realize the value of defense spending.

The US-RP MDT will begin if China fires the 1st shot which means our government will rely heavily on the US resbak.

That's for now. :)and we are buying NOW.

Not yet...yes it will.



The TA-50 package includes logistical support therefore there's no need to keep a couple not to fly so they can be cannibalized for spare parts. The TA-50 is a trainer/attack jet which is why it has the designation T for trainer and A for attack.ILS has limits, depends on how many years that we can afford to have them. that's why we can't compare the figures if say Indonesia brought theirs for (not exact) 28 mil and our 25..would be wise some units will be in storage... News says will be buying a squadron..but how will PAF using them is another story.

TA-50 is a JET ATTACK TRAINER. The main selling point of the product is this is trainers that is configured for attack. dog fights and all.
the attack versions are made because there is a market for LIFT's.

so it fits our needs..we buy trainers and light attack fighter bomber roled into one.



Where did you get the information that 1 squadron (at least 12 aircraft) will be used for dedicated EEZ patrol duty when in fact the news said 2 will be acquired first for training so that the remaining 10 will be used for air defense then the next 12 will be acquired by 2016 to fulfill the retired F-5 replacement plan.

PAF is like a lady..Sokols are acquired for CUH duty now they want them painted white for SAR...lol



The S-211 was supposed to be our LIFT but there was no immediate replacement to the retired F-5 which is why the S-211 was converted to AS-211 where A stands for attack
huh LIFT? we acquired them a basic jet trainers. they were supposedly to be used by PAF's pilot trainees how to handle jets after the SF-260 course..

but because we lack from anything to everything..they were put into Attack configurations... so tell me..how many s-211's were converted into AS-211?
does it have limitations?

if we have TA-50's for trainers, PAF can train pilots how to use jets for flying and how to use Jet's for a realtime attack simulations.

PAF is steeping UP the ladder right?

and BTW how many operational s-211 aircraft do this government can afford to let fly?




The S-211 was used extensively for the air defense role that it quickly shortened its service life so nobody should blame the aircraft nor its manufacturer but how it was used or rather abused. precisely because we lack capable inventories for a specific use that even a puny S-211 are doing what it was not designed to do.



The TA-50 acquisition is a done deal. :cheers:
not yet. not if no TA-50's are in PAF's roundrels..lol

^^ Not that I am against the MDT but I hate how the government is "parading" the MDT. From what I know, the US Senate has not ratified it (yet) but the MDT requires ratification on BOTH sides. Besides, pretend that it has been ratified by the US senate. Has our government considered the time and logistics considered to respond? If our government continue this way, even before the US can react, we've been pulverized.

The closest the US can do about this is through the "Executive privilege" of sending troops to foreign land for at least 60 days. But then again, baka pulbos na tayo bago pa makapagpadala ng aid for us :lol:

and we are buying NOW.

No, 2013 to be exact.


yes it will.

By 2014 may be.


ILS has limits, depends on how many years that we can afford to have them. that's why we can't compare the figures if say Indonesia brought theirs for (not exact) 28 mil and our 25..would be wise some units will be in storage... News says will be buying a squadron..but how will PAF using them is another story.

When the logistical support that was included in the package has expired, the 1st thing the PAF do is to bid for new logistical support contractors because as long as the aircraft is still young and new, there will still be plenty of spare parts supply in the international market. That's why one of the PAF requirement is that an aircraft to buy should be used by at least 2 foreign countries so they can buy spare parts from them in the future.

You only cannibalize an aircraft for spares is if you can no longer afford to source them due to rarity of those spare parts so this means, when the aircraft grows older and/or has reached the peak of its service life.


TA-50 is a JET ATTACK TRAINER. The main selling point of the product is this is trainers that is configured for attack. dog fights and all.
the attack versions are made because there is a market for LIFT's.

so it fits our needs..we buy trainers and light attack fighter bomber roled into one.

Hahaha that's not what you said earlier! :lol:


PAF is like a lady..Sokols are acquired for CUH duty now they want them painted white for SAR...lol

Yeah I was disappointed about that Sokol plan! :ohno:


huh LIFT? we acquired them a basic jet trainers. they were supposedly to be used by PAF's pilot trainees how to handle jets after the SF-260 course..

LIFT are Lead-In Fighter Trainers or jet-based trainers used to train SF-260 graduates to fly jet aircraft so they can operate the F-5 in the future but in 2005 the F-5 was retired with no immediate replacement so most SF-260 graduates were re-assigned to fly a different aircraft (mostly turboprops) after graduation and only a select few were selected to fly the AS-211.


but because we lack from anything to everything..they were put into Attack configurations... so tell me..how many s-211's were converted into AS-211?
does it have limitations?

Most of them were converted to AS-211 while a few were used as sources for spare parts after like 10 years of service? The conversion was done locally with the help of Aerotech Philippines; weapons from the retired F-5 were transferred to the AS-211 (Sidewinder missiles, rockets, bombs, but I'm not sure about the auto-cannon?) and OV-10M (auto-cannon, rockets, and bombs only). Limitations: it has no radar of its own.


if we have TA-50's for trainers, PAF can train pilots how to use jets for flying and how to use Jet's for a realtime attack simulations.

PAF is steeping UP the ladder right?

Right! :cheers:


and BTW how many operational s-211 aircraft do this government can afford to let fly?

1-2 jets... Wiki says its 3? Originally it was 25 in the early 1990s.


precisely because we lack capable inventories for a specific use that even a puny S-211 are doing what it was not designed to do.

The TA-50 could suffer the same fate (service life shortens quickly due to extensive combat use) because the one and only difference between the pure trainer version which is the T-50 vs. the TA-50 is that the TA-50 is armed. Performance specific information are all the same for both aircraft variants.


not yet. not if no TA-50's are in PAF's roundrels..lol

I said it's a done deal because the PAF will already be ordering the TA-50 with the 1st batch set to arrive by next year.

Not exactly Philippine-related but I still think it is relevant to our external security

Why Taiwan cannot be trusted as a peacemaker in the Spratlys... :armyeek:

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90786/7933370.html

09:49, September 03, 2012

Taiwan is conducting a live-ammunition military drill on Taiping Island of the Nansha Islands, the first such exercise by Taiwan in the South China Sea since regional disputes escalated this year.

We appreciate this exercise, which helps protect Chinese sovereignty.

Vietnam's protest against Taiwan's drill should be neglected. The Nansha Islands belong to China, which is an unshakable bottom line insisted upon by Chinese society. Taiwan, despite its economic ties with Vietnam and the Philippines, has overcome their opposition and made pragmatic efforts to safeguard Chinese sovereignty.

Territorial issues have remained unaddressed since the first half of last century. They are difficult to approach and solve today, despite rising maritime and sovereignty awareness across Asia.

In recent years, the Chinese mainland has been taking countermeasures to fight provocations over sovereignty by the Philippines, Vietnam and Japan, while also wrangling with the "smart power" diplomacy of the US in the Pacific. But Taiwan has its unique advantages in safeguarding Chinese sovereignty.

The hyping-up of the "China threat" mainly targets the mainland. Taiwan's efforts to protect Chinese sovereignty will not raise excessive suspicions, and it will not be labeled as a "bully."

Meanwhile, Taiwan is close to the Diaoyu Islands, which are under the administration of Taiwan's Ilan county. Taiping Island, the biggest island of the Nansha Islands, is under Taiwan's practical control.

Compared with the mainland, it is easy and convenient for Taiwan to take steps to protect sovereignty.

It is not that we want to shake off the mainland's responsibilities. Its comprehensive strength determines that the mainland must undertake the lion's share in such tasks. However, the mainland faces a complex strategic environment.

We understand Taiwan's special relationship with the US and the dilemma that Taiwan authorities face.

The US is using maritime territorial disputes to check the mainland's rise, and it does not want to see Taiwan help the mainland over territorial disputes in East Asia.

Nonetheless, Taiwan cannot remain as a bystander. It must look at the interests of the entire Chinese people, and act in the current island disputes in East Asia.

This drill on the Taiping Island comes at a good time. The mainland is building up its naval strength and reinforcing law enforcement in waters surrounding disputed islands. It is prepared for more possible frictions with regional countries in the future. In this process, actions by Taiwan like this drill will help stress Chinese claims.

Along with the growth of the mainland and the deepening of ties across the Taiwan Straits, Taiwan needs to change its habit of often being in lockstep with the US.

This is not a requirement by the mainland, but is prompted by the changing political landscape in the Asia-Pacific. Taiwan leaders should embrace this change.

http://s3.zetaboards.com/Defense_Philippines/topic/7589457/1/

Japan to Philippines: Do you want Coast Guard ships or not?
By Jerry E. Esplanada in Manila/Philippine Daily Inquirer | Asia News Network

Manila (Philippine Daily Inquirer/ANN) - Saying that "the ball is in the Philippines¿ court," Japan has revealed that its plan to provide the Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) with 12 brand new patrol boats had yet to officially take off.

Clinton tells Asean to unite vs China

Agence France-Presse, Associated Press
12:24 am | Tuesday, September 4th, 2012

JAKARTA—US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton arrived in Indonesia on Monday hoping to encourage Southeast Asian nations to present a united front to the Chinese in dealing with territorial disputes in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).

Read more
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/48864/clinton-to-seek-china-sea-unity-in-indonesia

^^ Haist the never ending Chinese problem! IMHO that won't stop even if we acquire 24 TA-50 combat jets and 2 Maestrale guided missile frigates, just look at how China bullies Vietnam and other military capable countries. Vietnam has:

24 Sukhoi Su-30 & 15 Su-27 Flankers,
30 Mil Mi-24 attack helicopters,
7 guided missile anti-submarine frigates,
6 fast attack submarines (coming soon),
around 1400 main battle tanks,
and thousands of air defense missiles!

http://image.qdnd.vn/ImageHandler/Upload//thuha/2011/11/10/101111ha35193407656.jpg

China Naval Modernization Report prepared by Congressional Research Service

PDF file
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RL33153.pdf

China Naval Modernization Report prepared by Congressional Research Service

PDF file
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RL33153.pdf

The Chinese submarine acoustic quietness development is a big threat! They have realized how crucial submarine warfare is, as what Germany demonstrated in their U-boats campaign in WW2. China is planning a modern day U-boat campaign of her own with very silent and undetectable submarines.

^^
US submarine tender arrives in Subic

MANILA, Philippines—The submarine tender USS Frank Cable (AS-40) arrived for a 12-day routine port call at Subic Bay Monday morning, the Philippine Navy said.

MANILA, Philippines—The submarine tender USS Frank Cable (AS-40) arrived for a 12-day routine port call at Subic Bay Monday morning, the Philippine Navy said.

The ship, which provides support to Los Angeles class submarines, will stay until September 15. The stay will include replenishment and rest and relaxation for its crew, said navy spokesman Colonel Omar Tonsay.

The ship was named after Frank Cable, an electrical engineer who worked as an electrician and trial captain for USS Holland.

It was built by the Lockheed Shipbuilding and Construction Company of Seattle for US Navy.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/48846/us-submarine-tender-arrives-in-subic

How many US sub visit in the Subic?

Philippines to supply US troops in Middle East, Pacific with cavendish bananas

MANILA - The Philippines will be shipping cavendish bananas to American troops in the Middle East and the Pacific, the Department of Agriculture said on Tuesday.

Agriculture Secretary Proceso Alcala told reporters they are now working on a bilateral agreement with Washington for the possible shipment of bananas as the country now has the technology that would allow it to supply the troops with the fruit outside the US

Read more
http://www.interaksyon.com/business/42253/philippines-to-supply-us-troops-in-middle-east-pacific-with-cavendish-bananas

Yahoo buti nga China.:banana:

No, 2013 to be exact.
By 2014 may be.so why say ita a done deal if we still haven't sign a contract yet?
When the logistical support that was included in the package has expired, the 1st thing the PAF do is to bid for new logistical support contractors because as long as the aircraft is still young and new, there will still be plenty of spare parts supply in the international market.That's why one of the PAF requirement is that an aircraft to buy should be used by at least 2 foreign countries so they can buy spare parts from them in the future.^^ to an extent, agree..

You only cannibalize an aircraft for spares is if you can no longer afford to source them due to rarity of those spare parts so this means, when the aircraft grows older and/or has reached the peak of its service life.It depends really. but not all bought will fly.:)



Hahaha that's not what you said earlier! :lol:
where?



Yeah I was disappointed about that Sokol plan! :ohno:



LIFT are Lead-In Fighter Trainersis different from

or jet-based trainers

used to train SF-260 graduates to fly jet aircraft so they can operate the F-5 in the future but in 2005 the F-5 was retired with no immediate replacement so most SF-260 graduates were re-assigned to fly a different aircraft (mostly turboprops) after graduation and only a select few were selected to fly the AS-211. AS-211 are not trainers..S-211 is.



Most of them were converted to AS-211what is most? out of how many 211's..how many were converted?

while a few were used as sources for spare parts after like 10 years of service?see why not all will fly?


The conversion was done locally with the help of Aerotech Philippines;yes


weapons from the retired F-5 were transferred to the AS-211 (Sidewinder missiles, rockets, bombs, but I'm not sure about the auto-cannon?)nope..only the gunsights. as you said..Aerotech Philippines help with the new design..the hardpoints and the gun on the belly. no sidewinders.

and OV-10M (auto-cannon, rockets, and bombs only).OT

Limitations: it has no radar of its own. and more..so it's not LIFT afetr all huh..







1-2 jets... Wiki says its 3? Originally it was 25 in the early 1990s.^^ how come?



The TA-50 could suffer the same fate (service life shortens quickly due to extensive combat use)lol thats why 2 squadron right..one for PAF flying school and the other on active duty.


because the one and only difference between the pure trainer version which is the T-50 vs. the TA-50 is that the TA-50 is armed. that can smell a big difference actually..and that's what differs the TA-50 from M-346...or 436...lol whatever..

Performance specific information are all the same for both aircraft variants. and there are latest updates with TA-50 right? in flight refueling and a new engine?


I said it's a done deal because the PAF will already be ordering the TA-50 with the 1st batch set to arrive by next year.
papers pls..

so why say ita a done deal if we still haven't sign a contract yet?

So you're saying that the TA-50 deal can still be scrapped?


where?

Please back read to your post #533 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=94773466&postcount=533).


is different from

Is there a LIFT aircraft that is powered by a turboprop engine? The S-211 was formerly used by Singapore and Haiti as their LIFT aircraft.


AS-211 are not trainers..S-211 is.

You're confusing that paragraph! Please read between the lines, I said a few selected SF-260 pilots were chosen to fly the AS-211 (in their new role as combat aircraft is what I meant).


what is most? out of how many 211's..how many were converted?

I used the word "most" because I can't remember how many units were left out of the 25 total S-211 jets.


see why not all will fly?

So a few can be used for spare parts because by the time the PAF converted it to the AS-211, it's only the PAF that was left actively using the S-211 jet. So where will the PAF buy the spare parts?


nope..only the gunsights. as you said..Aerotech Philippines help with the new design..the hardpoints and the gun on the belly. no sidewinders.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7017/tope4161yk5.jpg

^^ PAF AS-211 left wing armed with Sidewinder missile and rocket launcher.


and more..so it's not LIFT after all huh..

Not all LIFT aircraft has radar. The Northrop T-38 Talon is a good example.


^^ how come?

I already answered the reason for their demise on post #536 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=94773739&postcount=536)!


lol thats why 2 squadron right..one for PAF flying school and the other on active duty.

Nope! Only 2 will actually be used for training according to the latest news.


that can smell a big difference actually..and that's what differs the TA-50 from M-346...or 436...lol whatever..

You're OT! Wait for the LCA variant of the M-346 before you start comparing it with the TA-50, you'll be surprised that the Italian aircraft will be armed with a dedicated anti-ship guided missile plus more surprises!


and there are latest updates with TA-50 right? in flight refueling and a new engine?

No, You're referring to the FA-50 which is the real fighter jet variant.


papers pls..

Ask the DND if they can provide you with the papers!

PH reaffirms vow for Code of Conduct in sea tension- DFA (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/48948/ph-reaffirms-vow-for-code-of-conduct-in-sea-tension-dfa)
By Fat Reyes
INQUIRER.net
7:38 pm | Tuesday, September 4th, 2012

MANILA, Philippines – The Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) on Tuesday welcomed US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton’s move to push for Association of South East Asian Nations’ (Asean) unity on its plan for a regional code of conduct to ease tensions in the West Philippine Sea, saying that the Philippines had always advocated for Asean “centrality, leadership, and solidarity” to promote peace in the region.

“The Philippines is committed to settling any dispute to the West Philippine Sea in a peaceful, rules-based, and multilateral approach. We are focused on that and hopefully all stakeholders would abide by the letter and spirit of the declaration of conduct of parties in the South China Sea and make sure we are able to settle disputes there peacefully,” Raul Hernandez, DFA spokesperson, said.

Hernandez made the statement when asked about his reactions to Clinton’s plan to encourage Southeast Asian nations to present a united front to the Chinese in dealing with territorial disputes in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).

Clinton went to Jakarta, Indonesia to offer strong support for the plan to implement a code of conduct (COC) between Asean and China, a move aimed to ease tensions among all claimants to the disputed islands in the West Philippine Sea.

Hernandez admitted, however, that he could not tell if the code could be accomplished within the year, but that “all we have to do is call on all parties, all stakeholders to be able to conclude and finalize this code of conduct as soon as possible.
China, Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan claim all or parts of the sea believed to be sitting on vast oil and gas deposits.

The Philippines had been pushing for peaceful resolution of the disputes under international law, specifically the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (Unclos). China, however, had insisted on its stand to discuss the disputes in bilateral, individual negotiations with claimant countries.

Clinton was also expected to discuss the West Philippine Sea issue with high ranking Chinese officials when she travels to Beijing Wednesday.

PH hails Clinton remarks on West Philippine Sea
Manila Times
http://www.manilatimes.net/index.php/news/breaking-news/30426-ph-hails-clinton-remarks-on-west-philippine-sea

MANILA: Philippine officials praised United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's call for a peaceful resolution of territorial disputes in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea), saying that she had bolstered Manila's stance.

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said that Clinton's backing for a peaceful resolution of the disputes and the passage of a "code of conduct" were objectives that the Philippines had also been seeking.

Clinton, on a stop in Indonesia on Monday en route to China, warned against any coercion in the conflict-driven West Philippine Sea and urged progress on a code of conduct to manage the overlapping disputes there.

"We have long been trying to finalize [the code]. This code of conduct will minimize any confrontation in the area," Gazmin told reporters on Tuesday.

"That is what we have been seeking. We need to speak in one voice. If we are united we can deal with a major country and we can pursue a united solution within Asean [Association of Southeast Asian Nations] and third-party countries," he said.

Asean members, Philippines and Vietnam, which also lay claim to the disputed areas, have both accused China of pressing its territorial claims in the West Philippine Sea more aggressively.

In April, Chinese and Philippine ships faced-off over the Scarborough Shoal, an outcropping of rocks in the West Philippine Sea off the coast of the western Philippines.

While the Philippines has withdrawn its vessels in a gesture to China, officials say Chinese ships are still at the shoal.

China claims sovereignty over nearly all of the sea, which is believed to hold vast amounts of oil and gas, is one of the region's most important fishing grounds and has shipping lanes that are vital to global trade.

The Philippines, Vietnam, and fellow Asean members, Malaysia and Brunei, along with Taiwan also claim parts of the sea.

Philippine foreign department spokesman Raul Hernandez separately stressed on Tuesday that the Philippines was seeking a "peaceful, rules-based and also multilateral approach" to settling the disputes in the West Philippine Sea.

He also called for speedy approval of the code of conduct among rival claimants to minimize tensions in the sea.

Clinton urges Asean unity on South China Sea
Business Mirror
http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/world/32277-clinton-urges-asean-unity-on-south-china-sea

Southeast Asian states must present a united front to the Chinese in dealing with territorial disputes in the South China Sea to “literally calm the waters,” sais US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

And she urged all involved to make “meaningful progress” on a process for ending conflicts “without coercion, without intimidation and certainly without the use of force” by November.

In Indonesia’s capital before heading to China, Clinton offered strong US support for a regionally endorsed six-point plan to ease rising tensions by implementing a code of conduct for all claimants to disputed islands.

Jakarta is the headquarters of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean), and Clinton pressed the group to insist that China agree to a formal multilateral mechanism to reduce short-term risks of conflict and ultimately come to final settlements over sovereignty.

The stance puts the US squarely at odds with China, which has become increasingly assertive in pressing its territorial claims with its smaller neighbors and wants the disputes to be resolved individually with each country, giving it greater leverage than dealing with a bloc.

Clinton made the case in Tuesday meetings with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and Asean Secretary General Surin Pitsuwan, a day after she delivered the same message to Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa.

“The United States has a national interest, as every country does, in the maintenance of peace and stability, respect for international law, freedom of navigation, unimpeded lawful commerce in the South China Sea,” Clinton told reporters at a news conference with Natalegawa.

“The United States does not take a position on competing territorial claims...but we believe the nations of the region should work collaboratively to resolve disputes without coercion, without intimidation and certainly without the use of force,” she said. “That is why we encourage Asean and China to make meaningful progress toward finalizing a comprehensive code of conduct in order to establish rules of the road and clear procedures for peacefully addressing disagreements.”

Indonesia has played a leading role in putting the six-point plan together after Asean was unable to reach consensus on the matter in July.

Clinton said the US is “encouraged” by the plan but wants it acted on—particularly implementation and enforcement of the code of conduct, which has languished since a preliminary framework for it was first agreed upon in 2002. Clinton said the US wants to see the disputes resolved between China and Asean.

The US believes the alliance has collective clout that its 10 members do not have individually, and Clinton said the US sees it as important for Asean and China to have something to show for their efforts by a November summit of East Asian leaders that President Barack Obama plans to attend in Cambodia.

“It is time for diplomacy,” she said. “We have the East Asia Summit coming up. This should be the goal that diplomacy pursues to try to attain agreement...on a robust code of conduct to begin to try to literally calm the waters and enable people to work together toward better outcomes. I think we can make progress before the East Asia Summit and it is certainly in everyone’s interest that we do so.”

Natalegawa agreed with Clinton on the importance of the code of conduct and the need to set it up quickly.

“We must try to have the code of conduct,” he said. “Absent a code of conduct, absent the diplomatic process, we can be certain of more incidents and tension for our region. Absent an Asean unity, the question will become like a loose cannon in the way the issue is discussed.” China and a host of Southeast Asian countries—including the Philippines, Vietnam and Brunei—have overlapping claims to several small, but potentially energy-rich areas of the South China Sea.

In July China angered the United States, as well as Vietnam and the Philippines, by creating a city and military garrison on a remote island 220 miles from its southernmost province intended to administer hundreds of thousands of square miles of water where China wants to strengthen its control over disputed islands. China, which also has disputes with Japan in the East China Sea, rejected the criticism.

In Beijing on Monday, the Chinese foreign ministry reiterated China’s stance.

“The South China Sea issue is a dispute between the south China region countries and should be negotiated and resolved by them in a friendly way,” spokesman Hong Lei said. “Other countries outside the region should respect the choice of those countries and do more to help regional peace and stability and not the opposite.”

“The South China Sea issue is a dispute between the south China region countries and should be negotiated and resolved by them in a friendly way,” spokesman Hong Lei said. “Other countries outside the region should respect the choice of those countries and do more to help regional peace and stability and not the opposite.”

China is scared to lose its ILLEGAL leverage. Getting others involved even as an arbitrator would make their claims illegal especially that they signed international treaties where they swore to abide by those :lol:

Someone is peeing in his pants :lol:

China is scared to lose its ILLEGAL leverage. Getting others involved even as an arbitrator would make their claims illegal especially that they signed international treaties where they swore to abide by those :lol:

Someone is peeing in his pants :lol:
:lol: Parang sirang plaka. Paulit ulit na lang "no outsiders" ang sinasabi nila:lol:


http://s12.postimage.org/jtj01ju99/poop.gif (http://postimage.org/)

Baka naisaranna nga eh. Maluwang na ata turnilyo nila :lol:

China is scared to lose its ILLEGAL leverage. Getting others involved even as an arbitrator would make their claims illegal especially that they signed international treaties where they swore to abide by those :lol:

Someone is peeing in his pants :lol:

Agree sir!:cheers::cheers:

^^ Not that I am against the MDT but I hate how the government is "parading" the MDT. From what I know, the US Senate has not ratified it (yet) but the MDT requires ratification on BOTH sides. Besides, pretend that it has been ratified by the US senate. Has our government considered the time and logistics considered to respond? If our government continue this way, even before the US can react, we've been pulverized.

The closest the US can do about this is through the "Executive privilege" of sending troops to foreign land for at least 60 days. But then again, baka pulbos na tayo bago pa makapagpadala ng aid for us :lol:

Mauna sana yung mga partylists mapulbos. Hayan mo sila magmakaawa kay Papa Sugar para matawa naman sya:lol::lol:

U.S. Marines to Set Up Command Post on Palawan Island Facing South China Sea

Tuesday, September 4, 2012
U.S. Marines To Set Up Marine Command Post Facing South China Sea

MANILA (Kyodo)--The U.S. Marines plan to set up an "advance command post" on the western Philippine island of Palawan that faces the South China Sea, a senior Philippine marine officer told Kyodo News Tuesday.

An aerial view shows the Pagasa Island, which belongs to the disputed Spratly group of islands, in the South China Sea located off the coast of the western Philippines.

"The plan is to station 50 to 60 American marines in Palawan as an advance command post in the region," said the officer privy to the plan.

Palawan is an island province closest to the disputed Spratly Islands in the South China Sea being claimed in whole or in part by China, Vietnam, the Philippines, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei.

According to the officer, the plan includes converting a 246-hectare Philippine Marine Corps reservation in Samariniana town in Brooke's Point, in southeastern Palawan, into a joint marine operational command.

The officer said the 1.1 kilometer airstrip inside the reservation will be extended to 2.4 km to accommodate big U.S. military transport planes.

Construction work will begin in September in time for the annual Philippine-U.S. amphibious landing exercise in Palawan, he said.

"U.S. Marines will hire Filipino contractors to do the works because it will be costly if they bring their equipment over," he said.

More buildings will also be erected there, the officer said.

Aside from Samariniana, the source said the U.S. military is also looking at developing joint "operational bases" in other parts of Palawan, including Oyster Bay, Ulugan Bay, Macarascas town, Puerto Princesa City, Tarumpitao Point in Rizal and San Vicente town.

Palawan is just one of the areas identified both by Manila and Washington where U.S. Marines will train in a rotating deployment, the officer said.

He said that several military facilities in the Philippine main island of Luzon and Mindanao island in southern Philippines have also been "opened for access" for U.S. troops.

"These are choke points. These are very strategically located areas that can be used by both the U.S. and the Philippine forces," he said, adding that Americans can berth their warships and park their planes in the Philippines for "servicing and maintenance."

"The officer said the airstrip in Balabac, the southernmost island in the Palawan archipelago that was used by U.S. forces during World War ll, will also be restored and improved.

Another source said the Philippine military offered Palawan to Lt. Gen. Duane Thiessen, commanding general of the U.S. Marine Corps Forces Pacific, during his visit to Palawan last April to attend the joint U.S.-Philippine war games.

Diplomatic and military sources said the United States specifically wants more access to Philippine airfields and ports for "servicing and maintenance" including refueling and repair of U.S. aircraft and ships.

These areas include military facilities in the former U.S. military bases Clark in Pampanga and Subic Bay in Olongapo, Poro Point in La Union, Sangley Point in Cavite, Laoag City on Luzon Island and Zamboanga on Mindanao, sources said.

Also being considered are similar facilities in Batanes, the northernmost Philippine island province closest to Taiwan, General Santos City in Mindanao and Cebu City in the central Philippines.

The sources said the number of U.S. troops that will be rotated through the Philippines reportedly hovers between 4,000 and 4,500, including U.S. Marines based in Okinawa, Japan.

But the sources said that the final size of the U.S. troops and details of the plan are still being finalized.

Philippine and U.S. officials are mum about the plan to increase the American presence in the Philippines, a long-time U.S. ally which 20 years ago kicked the U.S. forces out from their huge naval and air bases in the country.

U.S. Ambassador Harry Thomas told a business forum last week that "the close partnership we have with the Philippines, as we work together to advance our shared interests on regional strategic issues, on security and economic cooperation, means that the U.S. and the Philippines are writing a new chapter in our longstanding alliance, and building a relationship for the coming century, and beyond."

China has territorial disputes with U.S. allies, including the Philippines, over islands, shoals, cays and reefs in the South China Sea. It has behaved assertively in recent years, alarming the Philippines and other claimants.

The United States has repeatedly said it will not take sides, while urging claimants to resolve the dispute peacefully.

The Philippines' 1987 constitution bans permanent foreign military basing in its soil. But the U.S. maintains strong security ties with the Philippines through a 1951 mutual defense treaty.

In 1998, Washington and Manila forged a visiting forces agreement, paving the way for increased military cooperation under the 1951 treaty.

Under the agreement, the U.S. has conducted ship visits to Philippine ports and resumed large combined military exercises with Philippine forces.

Currently, at any one time since 2002, there are about 600 combined U.S. troops "rotating" in Zamboanga, mainly providing "counterterrorism assistance and training" to Philippine soldiers combating Muslim extremists in southern Philippines.

http://www.pacificnewscenter.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=26955:kyodo-us-marines-to-set-up-command-post-on-palawan-island-facing-south-china-sea&catid=45:guam-news&Itemid=156

NOW THIS IS A COOL STORY.

I saw in History Channel's commercial that they will feature Philippine Marines RECON on September 9 as a part of 3 series featuring Malaysia's GKK, Philippine Marine RECON, and Thai RECON. :cheers:

So you're saying that the TA-50 deal can still be scrapped?what to scrapped? no deal yet. and by rpocurement laws. there are grounds if an acquisition can be scrap.



Please back read to your post #533 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=94773466&postcount=533).



Is there a LIFT aircraft that is powered by a turboprop engine? The S-211 was formerly used by Singapore and Haiti as their LIFT aircraft.not LIFT but Singapore and Haiti BASIC Jet trainers..so whats the latest of theirs?



You're confusing that paragraph! Please read between the lines, I said a few selected SF-260 pilots were chosen to fly the AS-211 (in their new role as combat aircraft is what I meant).ok..thats because there a too few operational jet trainers for PAF pilots to operate right?



I used the word "most" because I can't remember how many units were left out of the 25 total S-211 jets.ok



So a few can be used for spare parts because by the time the PAF converted it to the AS-211, it's only the PAF that was left actively using the S-211 jet. So where will the PAF buy the spare parts?care to share?




http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7017/tope4161yk5.jpg

^^ PAF AS-211 left wing armed with Sidewinder missile and rocket launcher.egad, it's a dummy..



Not all LIFT aircraft has radar. The Northrop T-38 Talon is a good example.LIFT is a market brand.
T-38's are to be replaced, thats why the geagle is being heavily promoted. and has the upperhand considering its half american..lol




I already answered the reason for their demise on post #536 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=94773739&postcount=536)
Nope! Only 2 will actually be used for training according to the latest news.!ok thanks!



You're OT! Wait for the LCA variant of the M-346 before you start comparing it with the TA-50, you'll be surprised that the Italian aircraft will be armed with a dedicated anti-ship guided missile plus more surprises!.!by that time M-346 will have that capability..the T-50 and its variants will hvae its own capability upgrades too..:)



No, You're referring to the FA-50 which is the real fighter jet variant.
if you said T-50 and TA-50 is almost the same, what is FA-50 from TA-50?




Ask the DND if they can provide you with the papers!
so don't shout it's a done deal. only DND can say its a done deal..lol

^^ From PDFF: :cheers:

FA-50 = fighter/attack jet
TA-50 = trainer/attack jet
T-50(A) = pure trainer jet
T-50B = aerobatics team (SK)

Die, China, Die!



BEIJING – China’s premier has thanked Cambodia for its support in a Southeast Asian regional bloc amid tensions between Beijing and several nations over territorial disputes in the South China Sea.

The official Xinhua news agency said Wen Jiabao told Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen in a meeting yesterday that China will promote closer cooperation with Cambodia.

In mid-July, foreign ministers of the 10-nation Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) failed to issue a joint statement after their annual meeting in Phnom Penh when host Cambodia rejected a proposal by the Philippines and Vietnam to mention their territorial disputes with China in the document.

Xinhua said Wen thanked Cambodia for its “important role in maintaining the overall situation of friendly relations between China and the ASEAN.”

Last month, Cambodia’s ambassador to the Philippines was recalled, after the envoy accused his host country of playing “dirty politics” in its maritime row with China.

Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario told reporters that Ambassador Hos Sereythonh had been recalled, but he did not give reasons.

The recall came after Del Rosario summoned the

ambassador to explain comments he made in a letter to The STAR blaming the Philippines and Vietnam for a rift at a regional conference in Cambodia.

Foreign affairs department spokesman Raul Hernandez said it was Cambodia’s prerogative to recall its envoy.

Overlapping claims

China has overlapping claims with four ASEAN members in the South China Sea.

At a regular ASEAN meeting hosted by Cambodia last month, the 10-nation bloc for the first time in its 45-year history failed to issue a joint statement because of tensions over the maritime disputes.

Hos accused the Philippines and Vietnam of attempting to “sabotage and hijack the joint communiqué” during the meeting.

In his letter, Hos said he was responding to an article written by an official of the Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs on what happened at the ASEAN meeting.

The Philippines has accused Cambodia, a close ally of China, of blocking any mention of the South China Sea spat.

China lays claim to a U-shaped swathe of the South China Sea, overlapping areas claimed by the Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Brunei and Malaysia.

These are thought to have significant oil and gas reserves below parts of the South China Sea subject to ownership disputes.

In recent years, tensions over the issue have increased amid growing assertiveness from China over its maritime claims.

Ties between China and the Philippines are already strained in the wake of a recent standoff over another disputed area, Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal. – AP


http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=844733&publicationSubCategoryId=63

Got this off PDFF :lol:

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/304329_477901408895542_2099365421_n.jpg

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/534351_412684248795196_595862535_n.jpg

We might (also) get the old KF-16 as a FREEBIE from the TA-50 purchase according to PDFF hints!

Since the Phillippines is now basically subsidising S.Korea's aerospace industry they better do give us alot of freebies, and it better not be kimchi lol ! .

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U.S. Marines to Set Up Command Post on Palawan Island Facing South China Sea

Great news we need more of this .

Amid friction between global powers, China's Xi snubs Clinton
InterAksyon
http://www.interaksyon.com/article/42391/amid-friction-between-global-powers-chinas-xi-cancels-clinton-meeting

BEIJING -- China's likely next president Xi Jinping has cancelled a meeting with the visiting US Secretary of State, a US official said Wednesday, amid friction between the two global powers.

Hillary Clinton had been due to meet Vice President Xi later Wednesday during a brief visit to Beijing that looks set to be dominated by a series of territorial disputes between China and its neighbours, notably in the South China Sea.

"We were informed after 11:00 p.m. last night by the Chinese side that for unexpected scheduling reasons, the meeting between Vice President Xi and Secretary Clinton is not going to happen today," said the official, who requested anonymity.

"We understand from the Chinese side that Vice President Xi's meetings with the prime minister of Singapore and a Russian official have also been cancelled today."

Clinton nevertheless met with the rest of the top Chinese leadership including President Hu Jintao.

Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi, asked at a joint news conference with Clinton about Xi's cancellation, said: "I hope people will not have unnecessary speculation."

China has in the past called off meetings at the last minute to show displeasure, although Xi has generally made US-friendly statements and sought warm relations during a trip across the United States earlier this year.

Clinton has voiced hope that China, which claims virtually all of the South China Sea, will agree to work out a code of conduct on regional territorial disputes, and has encouraged Southeast Asian nations to stand united.

But Beijing has repeatedly expressed concern over what it sees as interference by Washington in the region.

Foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei said ahead of Clinton's arrival Tuesday that China hoped the United States would "do more to promote regional peace and stability, instead of the opposite."

Alleged NPA leader captured, 2 killed in Camarines Sur clash (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/265288/alleged-npa-leader-captured-2-killed-in-camarines-sur-clash)
By Mar S. Arguelles
Inquirer Southern Luzon
9:03 am | Thursday, September 6th, 2012

LEGAZPI CITY – Two suspected New People’s Army (NPA) rebels were killed and their wounded leader captured in a clash on Wednesday with Army troops in Barangay (village)San Vicente, Iriga City, Camarines Sur, police said Thursday.

Army soldiers captured Edgardo Sevilla, allegedly a member of the NPA executive committee in Albay, while his companion — identified only as “Ka Jeff” and “Ka Tony” — were killed during the five-minute firefight, according to Superintendent Renato Bataller, spokesman of the Philippine National Police in Bicol.

Bataller, in an text message, said joint elements of the Army’s 42nd Infantry Battalion, 9th Infantry Division’s Military Intelligence Group and Intelligence Service-Armed Forces of the Philippines (ISAFP) were on a special operation against the communist movement when the group encountered the rebels led by Sevilla in Zone 7, Barangay (village) San Vicente in Iriga City at around 4:29 p.m.

Sevilla was wounded on his leg and was later captured by government troops while two others fled.

Sevilla is facing a string of criminal cases in various local courts in Albay, Bataller said.
Soldiers recovered a 9-millimeter pistol, a 45. Caliber handgun and a hand grenade, he said.

Sevilla was brought to the Bicol Medical Center (BMC) in Naga City for treatment and later was transferred to an Army detention center for tactical interrogation, according to Bataller.

Global Networking
Faith as a defense against China (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/49038/faith-as-a-defense-against-china)
By Rodel Rodis
INQUIRER.net
2:36 pm | Wednesday, September 5th, 2012

President Benigno Aquino III heads for Vladivostok, Russia this week to attend the 20th summit of leaders of the Asian Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) to discuss “regional economic integration and cooperation to foster innovative growth.” While at the summit, China’s President Hu Jintao has asked to meet Pres. Aquino in their first meeting since the maritime standoff at Scarborough Shoal began five months ago.

The Philippine government’s speculation is that Hu sought the meeting with Aquino to discuss the two countries’ territorial disputes.” But Foreign Affairs Undersecretary Laura del Rosario expressed the government’s hope “that whatever political issues we have, we can just separate it from economic issues and trade issues, and, if that is possible, the agenda for the meeting will be on reinvigorating trade between the two countries.”

“It will be more like assuring each other that we should go back to the starting point when everything was fine,” del Rosario added. “If you look at the premise of diplomatic relations, it’s basically maintaining the status quo of peace.”

The status quo of Peace in the Scarborough Shoal was the object of the Global Day of Prayer that was held in more than 300 churches in 22 nations all over the world on August 21, a coordinated event that was spearheaded by the US Pinoys for Good Governance (uspgg.org). Its New York-based chair, Loida Nicolas-Lewis, saw in Hu’s request for a meeting with Aquino at the APEC summit “an answered prayer”.

“War is not good for anybody, especially the Philippines,” Lewis said. “We don’t have China’s massive warships but we have houses of worship. Prayer is our greatest weapon because we are a people of faith.”

Faith is commonly defined in the dictionary as “a belief that is not based on proof or material.” Sometimes it is a belief that flies in the face of logic.

Can we expect any progress in the APEC meeting in Vladivostok between Hu and Aquino?

Aquino’s goal is to downgrade the tensions between China and the Philippines and to focus on economic issues. He knows China’s position on the territorial disputes and China knows his position. Nothing will be gained from further elaboration of their respective arguments about who owns the shoals, islets and islands within the 200 mile Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) of the Philippines. Hu will likely concur with Aquino that both countries should just focus on economic and trade issues.

If the topic somehow veers to the Scarborough Shoal issue, Hu will likely ask that the “status quo of peace” be maintained. After all, China now exclusively controls the Shoal by deceptively employing its own version of “rope a dope”. The New York Times this week revealed that last May, the Obama administration “quietly negotiated a deal that called for Filipino and Chinese vessels to leave the shoal. But the Chinese left behind a rope that still blocks the entrance to the lagoon.” According to USec del Rosario, after the two Philippine ships left the Shoal, “three Chinese vessels remained just outside the lagoon, preventing any Filipino fishing vessels from entering.” As the New York Times concluded, “China has effectively established a new status quo at the shoal and appears determined not to back down.”

Although he has promised to do so on several occasions, Aquino has not yet given the order for the two Philippine government vessels previously deployed there to return. Hu may counsel Aquino not to provoke China by returning the ships to the Shoal.

Hu is China’s president because he is the General Party Secretary of the ruling Communist Party of China which will hold a party congress in Beijing in October this year. At the party congress which will mark the changing of the guard, Hu will step down as paramount leader of China and give way to designated successor Xi Jinping who will then assume the formal title of president of China in March of 2013.

Because he is a “lame duck” president in his last month in office, Hu will likely not embark on any bold initiatives for peace in his talks with Aquino. His task is simple: maintain the ”status quo of peace” so that the transfer of power in Beijing in October will proceed without conflict.

What is the “status quo of peace”?

Aside from seizing total control of the Scarborough Shoal (124 nautical miles from Zambales), China is building new structures in the Mischief Reef (Panganiban Reef), 70 nautical miles from Palawan, which China seized in 1995. Aside from a 4 story military fortress that was built over the reef in 1999, China has recently added a windmill, solar panels, a concrete platform suitable for use as a helipad and a basketball court.

China has also consolidated its control of Subi Reef, an islet just 12 nautical miles southwest of Pag-asa Island, which is part of the Kalayaan Island Group. China erected a four-story structure, including a lighthouse and a powerful radar station on it.

On June 21, China established a new national prefecture which it named Sansha, with headquarters on Woody Island (“Yongxing”) in the Paracel Islands which is within the 200 mile EEZ of Vietnam. This new Sansha prefecture, according to the official Xinhua news agency, “administers over 200 islets and 2 million square kilometers of water” which just about covers the entire South China Sea. China has appointed 45 legislators to govern the 1,000 Chinese people on Woody Island, along with a 15-member Standing Committee, a mayor and a vice mayor.

As Sen. James Webb (D-Virginia) explained in his op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal on August 20 (“The South China Sea’s Gathering Storm”), “These political acts have been matched by military and economic expansion. On July 22, China’s Central Military Commission announced that it would deploy a garrison of soldiers to guard the islands in the area. On July 31, it announced a new policy of “regular combat-readiness patrols” in the South China Sea. And China has now begun offering oil exploration rights in locations recognized by the international community as within Vietnam’s exclusive economic zone.”

Why is China engaged in this massive hegemonic expansion in the South China Sea?
The New York Times answered this question in its August 18, 2012 editorial (“Asia’s Roiling Sea”):”It is not hard to see why everyone wants a piece of the action. The sea is not only an important trade route but is also rich in oil, natural gas, fishing and mineral resources. Nations are fighting over islands and even specks of rocks to stake their claims.”

China’s Ministry of Geology and Mineral Resources estimates the reserves located in the Philippines’ Recto Bank – barely 50 miles from Palawan – at 17.7 billion tons or approximately 126 billion barrels of oil worth trillions of dollars. That is enough oil to supply China’s voracious energy needs for the next century. The China National Offshore Oil Corp. (CNOOC) has deployed “Marine Oil 981”, a 31,000 ton giant deepwater oil drilling platform that carries out oil explorations up to a depth of 3,000 meters and is equipped with a drill that can go as deep as 12,000 meters. China expects to pump out the equivalent of 500 million barrels of oil by the year 2020, approximately $50 billion per year.

While Filipinos are praying for peace in the Scarborough Shoal, China’s government-controlled media are educating China’s1.3 billion people about the issues involved in the Spratly Islands. Check out the YouTube video: “80% Chinese want to slap Filipinos in the face” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Ea43WLAMs. The newscast presents an animated reenactment of a Philippine warship ramming a Chinese vessel in the Scarborough Shoal, the concocted incident which precipitated the maritime standoff with China. But the newscast also shows China deploying its $950 million oil rig to the South China Sea to begin extracting oil for China. The newscast is educating all of China about the stakes involved in China’s acquisition of the entire South China Sea.

One Mandarin-speaking reader noted that the title of the YouTube video should have been “80% want China to take military action against the Philippines.” But that translation may be worse. When Vietnamese sailors planted Vietnam’s flag on Johnson Reef in the Paracel Islands on March 14, 1988, China opened fire and massacred the 82 members of the Vietnamese contingent. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy2ZrFphSmc&feature=related). Would one rather be slapped in the face or massacred?

How should the Philippines confront the conflict with China?

In an article which appeared in the Philippine Daily Inquirer on July 27, 2012 (“Rally to the Flag!”), former Secretary of the Interior and Local Government Rafael Alunan III explained that “a conflict with China will result in unrestricted warfare based on its playbook. That means warfare by any means – militarily (conventional, unconventional, wmd); economically; cyberwarfare; sabotage of strategic infrastructure (information, financial, energy, telecommunications, etc); exploitation of socio-cultural-economic stresses to divide societies…”

“Our preparedness has to be total as well: we need to “harden” our economic defenses by, for example, actively expanding our markets and trade partners; ensure our food and energy security; and industrialize to generate jobs that may be lost abroad. We need to forge unity by settling the civil wars that divide us; that means removing the root causes of our discontents to prevent its exploitation and our division. And we need to build a credible defense shield over the next 10 years, particularly our navy and air force, something we’ve neglected for decades. “

“We also need to prepare ourselves, our children, our grandchildren, our communities physically, psychologically, emotionally and spiritually to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. There is a whole range of ideas out there on how to prepare for such crises. The action required from us is long-term, and realizing that is the first psychological barrier to hurdle.”

It will take more than faith, more than prayers to God, to deal with the threat from China. After all, God helps those who help themselves.