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Narnian_King

June 7th, 2010, 04:12 PM

Bangit 'disappointed' with call for his resignation from Aquino camp

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/06/07/10/bangit-disappointed-call-his-resignation-aquino-camp

MANILA, Philippines - Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) chief of staff Gen. Delfin Bangit on Monday censured the camp of the presumptive president-elect president Sen. Benigno Aquino III, for telling him to resign immediately after he and 301 other officers were bypassed by the Commission on Appointments (CA).

In a press conference, Bangit said he thought of opting for an early retirement following the remarks of Aquino’s spokesman, Edwin Lacierda, that he should not wait for Aquino to take over the presidency before he resigns after the the CA bypassed his appointment and that of 301 other senior military officers.

He also said the statements from the Aquino camp are attempts to destroy the Armed Forces.

“We’ve been seeing new attempts of destroying the Armed Forces, the organization that we have worked so hard to professionalize. I therefore cannot hide my disappointment. To [tell] you honestly, this weekend, I have contemplating an early retirement,” he said.

Apart from Bangit, the officers who were bypassed by the powerful CA includes Army chief Lt. Gen. Reynaldo Mapagu, Northern Luzon Command chief Lt. Gen. Ricardo David, and Central Command chief Lt. Gen. Ralph Villanueva. Mapagu and many other bypassed officers were present at the press conference in Camp Aguinaldo.

Bangit: 302 officers not confirmed because of me

Bangit, perceived by some quarters as loyal to outgoing President Arroyo, assumed as AFP chief last March and is reaching the retirement of 56 in July next year.

Earlier, Aquino said he is not keen on retaining Bangit as his AFP chief.

Bangit said he thought of retiring because the AFP is “being dragged into politics” because of him. He said he felt ashamed because it seemed that the 302 officers were not confirmed because he was among them.

“After all what they have done in fighting for a credible election and after they have proven that they are professional, very professional officers, is that what they will get? I therefore decided that I should go if that will keep the Armed Forces intact,” he said.

But on Sunday, Bangit said he changed his mind of bowing out of the service and instead decided to keep fighting for the military institution, saying he came to realize that this is no longer about him but the Armed Forces.

“This is no longer just about General Bangit, who they doubt despite contrary evidence. This has been about the Armed Forces of the Philippines. This has been about our politicians who do not understand what the Armed Forces is all about,” said Bangit.

“This is about personalities and persons who do not understand what the Armed forces is all about, this has been about disregarding the military system that they we have worked hard to put up and strengthen for the good of the organization and for the stability of this country,” he added.

He said he changed his mind "because I have the responsibility to work" for the AFP until he is relieved and because "I have that commitment to hold the Armed Forces intact and make it very professional."

'Treat the AFP with honor, dignity'

Bangit singled out Lacierda who said last Saturday that the AFP chief should now resign after Sen. Juan Ponce Enrille announced that Bangit and 301 other officers were bypassed by the CA, which Enrille chairs.

“There have been, so far, announcement by Mr. Lacierda for me to resign despite my acknowledgement (in the past) that I serve under the pleasure of the commander in chief. He does not know what he’s talking about,” said Bangit.

In the military parlance, a military officer is demeaned if he is addressed by a fellow officer as 'mister' – instead of his rank - followed by his surname.

Bangit said that the public, as well as the incoming Aquino administration, to treat the military well and with dignity and honor that they deserve.

“Again, I am asking the public, not only the incoming administration, to treat your Armed Forces well, treat us with honor and give us the dignity that we deserve,” said Bangit.

“They should know and understand that a soldier is either relieved, reassigned or has to stand to his post if his superiors want him to stay. A soldier filing a resignation is abdication of duty. In or Articles of War, particularly Article of War 58, that is punishable under our system,” said Bangit.

He then broached the idea what happens if a battalion commander or a campaign commander resigns from the service “in a thick of a fight.”

Bangit said the military should not be treated as if it is a “political instrument,” otherwise this may have “implication to other Armed Forces around us” while stressing that military establishment should spare from politics.

“It will be very good for our nation that you will have an Armed Forces that is apolitical,” said Bangit. “ it will be very good for the Armed Forces if you treat the armed Forces will dignity and honor,” the AFP added.

No intention to stay if Aquino admin doesn't want him

Bangit said he has no intention of holding on to his position if the new administration does not want him to stay.

“I have been very clear it but even then, I would not waste my remaining time in the Armed Forces no matter how long and no matter short that can be. As long as I am here, I will be the chief of staff of the Armed Forces of the Philippines, I will fight any side drags the Armed Forces into politics,” said Bangit.

He sid he met with the officers as part of his responsibility to tell them “what happened” and to “allay fears and address also the morale problem that will probably take place.”

“The AFP’s professionalism is already at the level that we can all be proud of and therefore I asks the members of the Armed Forces, the officers here who were together with me in the bypassing of the CA, to defend the Armed Forces and fight for our institution,” he said.

Bangit then said that in the event he is not retained by the next administration, “I am prepared to usher in and to hand over to the incoming commander in chief a very good armed forces. There is no doubt about it.”

Bangit said the next administration has nothing to fear from him, saying he is not anybody’s soldier, apparently addressing perceptions that he is a loyalist of President Arroyo whom she directly served during the early years of her presidency as commander of the Presidential Security Group.

“I don’t know why they are worried about me. I dont know. I have made my commitment (that) I am a soldier of the Filipino people. I am a soldier of this Republic. I am nobody’s soldier.“

Worries of incoming admin due to 'too much politics'

Bangit then acknowledged that the worries of the new administration about him can be probably traced to his image that was developed “because of too much politics.”

Asked if there is any reason for the new administration to fear him or be wary of him, Bangit said: “Personally, that is the same question that I am asking myself. Why?”

Nevertheless, he said he is not the type of person that should be feared by the Aquino camp.

Bangit said he has sent Aquino a letter, congratulating the latter for his victory in the May 10 presidential elections.

Meanwhile, Bangit said he has directed the bypassed officers to continue wearing their rank until they are submitted and confirmed by the new Congress which opens in July.

“We have received instruction from our commander-in-chief to go on, to just continue our (mission) because we are fighting everyday, we are defending this nation everyday...The status quo remains as part of the order of the commander-in-chief has given us” he said.

Despite this, Bangit said that the bypassing of the military officers may spark demoralization. “To be honest with you, yes because we are in a quandary what would be our position,” he said when asked if the bypass would result in demoralization.

rubiopr27

June 8th, 2010, 02:03 AM

any updates on the PA modernization program?

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Brown Tiger

June 8th, 2010, 02:10 AM

Gen. Bangit is a human being with feelings..
Are we expecting more like him in the coming days...
and more coups to come...
Only our president elect can repair that...
Organize and make the AFP credible and loyal to him.

Arvor

June 8th, 2010, 02:16 AM

Why not simply loyal to the country ? .

william :D

June 8th, 2010, 04:17 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/Denel_Rooivalk_flying_2006.jpg/800px-Denel_Rooivalk_flying_2006.jpg

kaya naman siguro nating bumili nito? this is a Denel AH-2 Rooivalk from South Africa.

wow! hindi ba natin kayang bumili ng aircraft carrier o kaya destroyer o kaya kahit man lang isang hi tech na radar.hehe :D :D :D

william :D

June 8th, 2010, 04:18 PM

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/UH-60.jpg

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/UH2.jpg

We have 2 units of these BlackHawks (UH-60) under the Presidential Airlift Wing

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/bell.jpg

And Bell 412

yan na po ba pinakamamgandang helicopter sa ating republika?:D :D :D

Brown Tiger

June 8th, 2010, 04:49 PM

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/S-76.jpg
Sikorsky S-76 ( 11 in Service )

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/md250.jpg
Mcdonnel Douglas MD520MG ( 25 in Service )

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/uh-1h.jpg
Bell UH-1H ( 52 in Service )

TheAvenger

June 8th, 2010, 05:15 PM

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?160328-Philippine-Armed-Forces(Southeast-Asia)/page18

mwg12a

June 8th, 2010, 11:01 PM

JUst feel like adding it here. I didn't really realize that the Philippine have atleast one presidential plane that can actually fly. How come she rarely use it??LOL

My CebPac flight to MNL was delayed for two hours!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3474/4645144338_a41b068801_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3314/4644527775_1dae3e791c_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4068/4645144292_9142bfc4b5_o.jpg

bitoy

June 9th, 2010, 12:12 AM

JUst feel like adding it here. I didn't really realize that the Philippine have atleast one presidential plane that can actually fly. How come she rarely use it??LOL

That's an old Fokker F-28, ako man matatakot sumakay diyan.... :lol:

Meron pa yatang 2 F-27, I'm not sure of they are still flying.

Ady001

June 9th, 2010, 03:03 AM

Kung mangangarap na rin lang, gusto ko rin na eto pwedeng gamitin ng Pilipinas...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3343/3455589770_642d9339b3.jpg

'di naman siguro masama ang mangarap ano...

That is from the game "Front Mission" who also made this, rather, optimistic video...

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jpdm

June 9th, 2010, 04:03 AM

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?160328-Philippine-Armed-Forces(Southeast-Asia)/page18

I say those fast craft showed in the link are good enough for me.

Hopefully the Philippine Navy will buy fast craft with guided missile capability if we cant afford to buy very expensive ships like destroyers and frigates. A small armada of inexpensive submarine class also is needed.

Arvor

June 9th, 2010, 04:52 AM

That is from the game "Front Mission" who also made this, rather, optimistic video...

You know ive also thought about this years and years ago and one day i found what i thought could be a great place in my opinion for a Phillipine space launch port .

http://langyaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/map_mati.gif
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Ph_locator_davao_oriental_mati.png/250px-Ph_locator_davao_oriental_mati.png

There is a peninsula located immediately south of a small city called "Mati" in Davao Oriental, its location right on the edge of the vast and empty Pacific makes it ideal for incoming booster rockets to crash into the ocean, this being in the extreme south of the Phillipines makes it the closest we can get to the equator which means less energy is required to send a rocket or payload into space, the same reason why Europes main space port is located at Kouru French Guyana territory which is just above the equator and why Russia is now joining with them in launching Soyuz rockets there.

Should be good to cooperate with S.Korea and Japan or alternatively ASEAN for joint use and projects and perhaps license production or outright purchases of Soyuz rockets for launch at the facility .

http://www.buzzen.com/files/pictures/img_169513_1_43.jpg

Brown Tiger

June 9th, 2010, 09:13 AM

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/viet.jpg
Vietnam Submarine ( Kilo Class - Made in Russia/China)

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/sing.jpg
Singapore Submarine ( Sjoormen Class - Made Sweden )

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/mal.jpg
Malaysian Submarine ( Scorpene Class - Made in France )

Arvor

June 9th, 2010, 09:19 AM

http://www.yalibnan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ethiopia-airline-crash-lebanon-Lockheed_P-3_Orion_0352.jpg

The country needs to get P3 Orions or similar aircraft to counter those, and also in general less costly methods of protecting the country could come in the form of portable anti ship/air/tank missile weapons which are cheap and easy to deploy while being relatively lethal, imagine how dangerous it would be for an agressor to storm a Spratley island if the defending Phillipine Army troops have those weapons .

Anti tank

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Anti air

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RBS 70

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Mistral Missile

mwg12a

June 9th, 2010, 10:20 AM

That's an old Fokker F-28, ako man matatakot sumakay diyan.... :lol:

Meron pa yatang 2 F-27, I'm not sure of they are still flying.

Bakit naman kase kahit na slightly used A319 or kahit na yuong old PAL A300 hindi i-donate para presidential use. Kahit A330. Kailangan din naman talaga ng mga presidente yan, in a way gumagastos din ang mga officials para sa mga official travels nila, kasama ang mga necessary entourage nila. Hindi naman extravagance yan unless sobrang elavorate ang gagawain nila dito.

Ganoon ba ka delikado ang Fokker F-28 kung well maintained bago ang engine at ina-update ng mga computerized devices? Pang presidente kaya ang loob nuon o parang pang pasahero lang?

pi_malejana

June 9th, 2010, 10:23 AM

^^ There were plans to purchase helicopters ata kaso may mga umangal na naman kaya na scrap tuloy...:ohno:

Arvor

June 9th, 2010, 10:40 AM

They can also just try to charter a320's from PAL

mwg12a

June 9th, 2010, 10:43 AM

Thats what they have been doing there in the Philippines arvor. mostly on an international official visits. I'm thinking of something more permanent which is more economical in the end.

Arvor

June 9th, 2010, 11:22 AM

Well flying economy would be the most economical lol, but yeah i guess an A330 MRTT or multi role aircraft would be best as it can double as cargo or as tanker but since we dont have jets that can do mid air refuelling ... .

http://www.aerocontact.com/medias/img/head130607c.jpg
Australian A330 MRTT

The A330 MRTT has a maximum fuel capacity of 111,000 kg (245,000 lb). Standard fuel capacity allows the carriage of an additional 45,000 kg of cargo. The A330 MRTT's wing has common structure with the four-engine A340-200/-300 with reinforced mounting locations for the A340's outboard engines. The A330 MRTT's wing therefore requires little modification for use of these hardpoints for the wing refuelling pods.[1]

The A330 MRTT cabin can be modified to carry up to 380 passengers in a single class configuration, allowing a complete range of configurations from maximised troop transport to complex customisation suitable for VIP and guest missions. The A330 MRTT can also be configured to perform Medical Evacuation (Medevac) missions, up to 130 standard stretchers can be carried. The main deck cargo configuration allows carriage of standard commercial containers and pallets through military, ISO and NATO pallets (including seats) and containers, to military equipment and other large items which are loaded through a cargo door. Like the A330-200, the A330 MRTT includes two lower deck cargo compartments (forward and aft) and a bulk area capability. The cargo hold has been modified to be able to transport up to 8 military pallets in addition to civilian ULD.

An optional Crew Rest Compartment (CRC), located in the forward cabin can be installed for a spare crew in order to increase time available for a mission. The passenger cabin of the A330 MRTT can be provided with a set of removable airstairs to enable the crew and passengers to enter and leave the aircraft when airbridges or ground support equipment are not available.

Alinghi

June 9th, 2010, 04:42 PM

Air Force’s helicopter gunship makes emergency landing; pilots safe

ZAMBOANGA CITY, Philippines—An MG520 helicopter gunship had an emergency landing in a beach in Talisayan village here around 2:40 p.m., Wednesday, after encountering engine trouble.

Brigadier General Horacio Lapinid, commander of the Philippine Air Force's 3rd Air Division, said the pilots of the plane—a Major Sabrino and a Captain Parcia—were on "an element lead training" and flew from Edwin Andrews Airbase here.

As they were hovering over Talisayan, the helicopter's engine developed trouble, Lapinid said.

The pilots were forced to do an emergency landing, he said.

Lapinid said the aircraft's engine was damaged due to the impact of the landing but the pilots were safe.

He said a team of PAF investigators from Sangley Point in Cavite would be arriving soon to determine what caused the engine trouble.

The fleet of the PAF is all ageing with crashes—some of them fatal—occurring every now and then.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/regions/view/20100609-274772/Air-Forces-helicopter-gunship-makes-emergency-landing-pilots-safe

bitoy

June 9th, 2010, 05:32 PM

^^ There were plans to purchase helicopters ata kaso may mga umangal na naman kaya na scrap tuloy...:ohno:

Yan yata yung nag kabistuhan sa tongpats, proposal pa lang, nabuko na yung kikitain ng isang opisyal. :lol:

Thats what they have been doing there in the Philippines arvor. mostly on an international official visits. I'm thinking of something more permanent which is more economical in the end.

Akala ko nga 737 yung gagawing presidential plane ni Erap... :lol: boing boing boing lang pala..:bash:

Arvor

June 9th, 2010, 06:15 PM

with crashes—some of them fatal—occurring every now and then.

lol sorry its just the way it was said ... .

mwg12a

June 9th, 2010, 10:13 PM

Ady001

June 10th, 2010, 02:11 AM

You know ive also thought about this years and years ago and one day i found what i thought could be a great place in my opinion for a Phillipine space launch port .

http://langyaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/map_mati.gif
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Ph_locator_davao_oriental_mati.png/250px-Ph_locator_davao_oriental_mati.png

There is a peninsula located immediately south of a small city called "Mati" in Davao Oriental, its location right on the edge of the vast and empty Pacific makes it ideal for incoming booster rockets to crash into the ocean, this being in the extreme south of the Phillipines makes it the closest we can get to the equator which means less energy is required to send a rocket or payload into space, the same reason why Europes main space port is located at Kouru French Guyana territory which is just above the equator and why Russia is now joining with them in launching Soyuz rockets there.

Should be good to cooperate with S.Korea and Japan or alternatively ASEAN for joint use and projects and perhaps license production or outright purchases of Soyuz rockets for launch at the facility .

http://www.buzzen.com/files/pictures/img_169513_1_43.jpg

Hmmm... Good idea Arvor. I'm also thinking of docking our subs there because of Davao's shorelines.

Arvor

June 10th, 2010, 04:20 AM

Well in the west some countries are just using commercial flights for their ministers especially for short hops whitin Europe, i think that it is much cheaper to buy a couple of first class or business class tickets on a good airline ( maybe a few thousand $ ) than to send a government plane up as each flight could then cost hundreds of thousands into the millions $.

This came about due to scrutiny of ministers use of government jets where it was found that they were basically flying everywhere all the time sometimes for private reasons .

But yeah a multi purpose plane would be ok as it can be used for troop transport and military cargo to humanitarian aid aswell as transporting vips from time to time, but even then that time to time could only be useful if they are transporting alot of people or for big ticket events where the president needs to show off a bit.

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/media/galleries/images/5731/500x400/dassault-falcon-7x-production.jpg

http://www.ailesahs.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/falcon7x.jpg

http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/dassault-7x/images/9-falcon7x.jpg

http://www.luxury-club.fr/images/news/jet-prive/dassault-falcon-900-lx-interieur.jpg

For other vip transport duties i think a dedicated vip bizjet like the Dassault Falcon 7x should do the job better because these government types dont really travel by the hundreds at a time anyway, it costs around 50 million $ has the range to fly Manila/Rome or Manila/LA before having to land and refuel and can take up to 14 passengers + 3 crew pilot co pilot n stewardess, and dont think that it would be uncomfortable these bizjets are like limos in the sky even more luxurious .

Most countries operate both anyway a large plane and bizjets especially for short hops and if they only need to transport a small party .

mwg12a

June 10th, 2010, 08:39 AM

Yeah, i'm talking about mostly official visits overseas where the president usually bring a number or business people with them for trade and industry. That multipurpose aircraft with a presidential or vip cabin should work. On domestic travels and functions. Renting a private jet or using a loaner Lear jets would do, the rest she can just get into a helicopter. Last time when Arroyo hosted an ASEAN MEET in Cebu City, she was the only one who hailed from a private jet lent by some business corporation owner, she could of atleast used her official Presidential Aircraft which is the Fokker 28. It doesn't look bad anyway..

RonnieR

June 11th, 2010, 12:46 PM

Soldiers to get pay hike in July

By Katherine Evangelista
INQUIRER.net
First Posted 16:09:00 06/11/2010

Filed Under: Military, Wages & Pensions

MANILA, Philippines – Soldiers can expect an increase in their monthly base pay starting next month, outgoing president Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo announced during her speech at the testimonial ceremony in Camp Aguinaldo Friday.

Arroyo said the increase was in accordance with the salary standardization law passed in 2009, which ensures an annual increase on the base pay of soldiers until 2012.

Arroyo also noted that the salary increases were on top of the hazard pay and subsistence allowance currently being enjoyed by soldiers.

Attending the last military parade in her honor before she ends her term in June 30, Arroyo extolled the soldiers for their “efforts, skills, sacrifices and passion to serve the flag and the Constitution.”

She said the embers of the AFP have remained professional soldiers, shunning politics, and following the chain of command.

Arroyo also hailed the AFP for their role in her administration’s drive against insurgency, particularly against the terrorist elements in the southern Philippines and the communist insurgents.

johnmizer

June 11th, 2010, 06:56 PM

william :D

June 12th, 2010, 04:58 AM

HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY PHILIPPINES !!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

bitoy

June 12th, 2010, 05:12 AM

william :D

June 12th, 2010, 06:47 AM

Happy Philippine Independence Day !!!

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/076t3M46h6aNV/x610.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09UO7jEdP90jo/x610.jpg

Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo (R) salutes while holding a rope with Manila Mayor Alfredo Lim (L) and Filipino historian Ambeth Ocampo at the flag raising ceremony during the Philippine Independence Day celebration in Manila June 12, 2010.

Wala si Atienza? si Ambeth ang pumalit? :D

don ako nkatingin sa babaeng nkatingin ke gloria saka ke pgma..hehe, kahit don lang alam na alam ko ang malaking as in NAPAKALAKIIIIIIIIIIIIING agwat sa estado ng buhay ng dalawang yon... hehehehe :D :D :D :D

gaLj

June 12th, 2010, 06:47 AM

vietnam??? submarine??? wot we need is a nuke!
anyways, are there any photos of our blackhawk???

i hope they will show something later at the parade... a flyby would also be great, last time i saw a flyby was duirng ramos. 3 c130 flying over the grandstanad is awesome

Meron tayong 2 Uh-60 gamit ng Presidential Wing

2 nalang ang C130 natin, 1 Operation , 1 Undergoing Repairs and yung 1 Nagcrash

Brown Tiger

June 12th, 2010, 07:58 AM

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/PREZ/a319.jpg

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/PREZ/prez6.jpg

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/PREZ/prez5.jpg

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/PREZ/prez4.jpg

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/PREZ/prez3.jpg

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/PREZ/prez.jpg

Brown Tiger

June 12th, 2010, 03:00 PM

Meron tayong 2 Uh-60 gamit ng Presidential Wing

2 nalang ang C130 natin, 1 Operation , 1 Undergoing Repairs and yung 1 Nagcrash

Eto ang UH-60 ng Presidential Wing at Puma Helicopter

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/blackhwk.jpg

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/puma.jpg

william :D

June 12th, 2010, 03:51 PM

Eto ang UH-60 ng Presidential Wing at Puma Helicopter

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/blackhwk.jpg

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/puma.jpg

ahhmm ano po ba yung presidential wing?hehe, ala po ako alam pero interesado ako. :D :D :D

mwg12a

June 12th, 2010, 09:44 PM

don ako nkatingin sa babaeng nkatingin ke gloria saka ke pgma..hehe, kahit don lang alam na alam ko ang malaking as in NAPAKALAKIIIIIIIIIIIIING agwat sa estado ng buhay ng dalawang yon... hehehehe :D :D :D :D

hummm. interesting assumption. kind of stupid actually. We can't necessarily blame the gap totally on the government. We have to do our part as well so we can have a better life. But, considering you made an assumption? Just because that lady wasn't dressed up for the occassion means she really is poor as dirt. You never really know. There are people who doesn't know how to dress up nicely but they are financially well off. The social status of each and every individual is influenced by no less than theirselves. How come there are filipinos who became rich inspite of whatever crisis is going on in the Philippines? So, don't just a book by it's cover and think smartly.

william :D

June 13th, 2010, 02:22 AM

hummm. interesting assumption. kind of stupid actually. We can't necessarily blame the gap totally on the government. We have to do our part as well so we can have a better life. But, considering you made an assumption? Just because that lady wasn't dressed up for the occassion means she really is poor as dirt. You never really know. There are people who doesn't know how to dress up nicely but they are financially well off. The social status of each and every individual is influenced by no less than theirselves. How come there are filipinos who became rich inspite of whatever crisis is going on in the Philippines? So, don't just a book by it's cover and think smartly.

hindi ko namang sinabing mahirap na hirap na hirap sa buhay..opinyon lang yon at base sa naobserbahan ko kasi kahit anong isip ko malayo ang gap ng dalawa, kasi kahit mayaman ka na malayo pa rin ang agwat mo sa pangulo ng republika... :D

Arvor

June 13th, 2010, 08:05 AM

Its pretty hard to dress nicely tho when spending time outside under the Phillipine sun, its often just too hot or otherwise too wet, absurd naman mag barong tagalog if you are just a casual spectator at an event lol .

johnmizer

June 13th, 2010, 01:24 PM

lately hinde k n nakikita yng black hawk

any pics of the parade?bukod sa myaor n naka shades whiel tinataaas ang abndila ng pilipinas

Alinghi

June 13th, 2010, 02:48 PM

i think hindi na active yung dalawang Blackhawk.. panay Bell 412 nalang nakikita ko

kalbongdad

June 13th, 2010, 03:27 PM

kasi bawat attempt na bumili....sasabihin maluho....ngayon....nagtityaga tayo sa wala.....i don't think na magkakaroon tayo sa panahon ni aquino...baka lalo lang lumakas ang mga kumunista ulit....yan ang nangyari sa panahon ni cory...pinakawalan nya si joma...ngayon na halos nde na pinapansin ang mga npa...baka....bigyan na naman ng puwang yan ni aquino....

Alinghi

June 13th, 2010, 04:43 PM

top priority talaga pag eliminate sa NPA insurgency.. so dapat COIN aircraft muna for the PAF at COIN armaments for the PA.. internal security muna bago tayo mag concentrate sa external.. this is in the hope that the GRP-MILF peace talks will be successful

mwg12a

June 13th, 2010, 04:46 PM

hindi ko namang sinabing mahirap na hirap na hirap sa buhay..opinyon lang yon at base sa naobserbahan ko kasi kahit anong isip ko malayo ang gap ng dalawa, kasi kahit mayaman ka na malayo pa rin ang agwat mo sa pangulo ng republika... :D

E ano naman ang gusto mong itsura ng presidente mo? Mukhang basurero/a? Hindi sa pagdadala ng damit yan. Minsan kahit mumurahin ang suot pero kung ang aura mo ay talagang disente, kahit divisoria ang suot mo, magmumukha ka pa ring disente. Ang mga may ari ba ng multi million corporation malayo pa rin ang agwat sa pangulo ng republica? I dont think so... Nakikita mo lang ay superficial pero just like a typical filipino, maintriga at mapintas. Sa tutoo lang, I wear cheap clothing but since I know how to carry myself infront of anybody, I can still look dignified and respectable, I just happen to look like a million dollar but in reality I'm still poor as dirt no matter what, nothing has changed. Besides, what president in this whole wide world that seems like they are not far better off than even most everybody else, even to the most afluent person in their countries? Presidents possess THE POWER that can influence alot of things in one country, so, yes, somehow you're right but I don't think it follows that same context as to what you had in mind.

william :D

June 14th, 2010, 03:07 AM

E ano naman ang gusto mong itsura ng presidente mo? Mukhang basurero/a? Hindi sa pagdadala ng damit yan. Minsan kahit mumurahin ang suot pero kung ang aura mo ay talagang disente, kahit divisoria ang suot mo, magmumukha ka pa ring disente. Ang mga may ari ba ng multi million corporation malayo pa rin ang agwat sa pangulo ng republica? I dont think so... Nakikita mo lang ay superficial pero just like a typical filipino, maintriga at mapintas. Sa tutoo lang, I wear cheap clothing but since I know how to carry myself infront of anybody, I can still look dignified and respectable, I just happen to look like a million dollar but in reality I'm still poor as dirt no matter what, nothing has changed. Besides, what president in this whole wide world that seems like they are not far better off than even most everybody else, even to the most afluent person in their countries? Presidents possess THE POWER that can influence alot of things in one country, so, yes, somehow you're right but I don't think it follows that same context as to what you had in mind.

oo nga po, hindi nga mukhang basurero/a ang pangulo natin kya nga ang naobserbahan ko at ang opinyon ko malayo ang agwat hindi lang sa kayamanan at sa kasuotan, malaki din ang agwat sa kapangyarihan na pinanghahawakan..hindi naman tungkol lang sa pera at mamahaling kasuotan ang ibig kong sabihin... ahmmm pasensya na po hindi ko lang mapaliwanag ng maayos at nawala kayo sa ibig kong ipahiwatig...peace.. :D :D :D :D

-SNPKLSDMBLDR-

June 14th, 2010, 03:23 AM

Brown Tiger

June 14th, 2010, 12:20 PM

i think hindi na active yung dalawang Blackhawk.. panay Bell 412 nalang nakikita ko

Kailangan magaling ka mag identify ng aircraft.. kase makikita mo ito na lumilipad jan sa metro manila.

Brown Tiger

June 14th, 2010, 12:21 PM

ahhmm ano po ba yung presidential wing?hehe, ala po ako alam pero interesado ako. :D :D :D

Mahirap magkunwari di mo alam pero madaling mahalata na di mo nga alam... Make this topic with sense payo ko lang para umusad tayong mga pinoy...
PEACE be with you...

Ecija

June 14th, 2010, 01:20 PM

"Bluebirds"

The 250th Presidential Airlift Wing, the "Bluebirds," provide air transport for the President, the first family, and for visiting dignitaries and VIP's. Its specific functions include: Providing aircraft and aircrew for airlift of the President, immediate members of his/her family, visiting Heads of states and other local and foreign VIPs; conducting proficiency training of aircrew and support personnel; operating and maintaining common aviation assets of the Government Financial Institutions (GFIs); performing limited maintenance of assigned aircraft; performs liaison or coordination of aircraft requirements for presidential flights; coordinating with appropriate agencies for field and depot level maintenance of assigned aircraft; providing command and control and communication in advance base operations for presidential flights; providing presidential security augmentation; assigning safety pilot for VIP movement abroad; and performing other functions as directed by higher Headquarters.

Several aircraft are assigned to this unit, including the PAF's sole Fokker F-28 Fellowship 1, Fokker F-27 Friendships, S-70 Blackhawks, S-76s, SA-330 Pumas, and Bell 412s. The 250th Presidential Airlift Wing is stationed at Villamor Air Base, located near the Presidential Palace in Manila. The callsign "Kalayaan 1" is used by the unit in a similar way as the term "Air Force 1" in the United States, designated an aircraft with the President of the Republic of the Philippines on board.

The 250th Presidential Airlift Wing traces its lineage back to 1947, when the Philippine Air Force was tasked to provide air transportation to the President of the Republic of the Philippines, his/her Family and State Guests pursuant to General Orders Number 228, General Headquarters, Armed Forces of the Philippines, dated 24 October 1947. As a consequence, one Squadron of then 205th Composite Wing was tasked to provide one C-47 as the primary aircraft with pilots and crew. The C-47 was subsequently replaced in 1959 by the Fokker F-27 Friendship as the primary aircraft.

The Philippine Air Force, realizing the importance of an air arm to support Presidential movements, began studies in 1965 for the organization of a special unit exclusively for presidential airlift mission under the operational control of the Presidential Security Unit (PSU). This led to the decision to integrate the basic operations, security, maintenance, and support elements into one compact unit. The 7001st Detachment was activated on 2 September 1968, pursuant to General Orders Number 16, Headquarters, Philippine Air Force, dated 20 August 1968. The Detachment was formed from some personnel detached from the 206th Troop Carrier Squadron and 505th Air Rescue Squadron. The unit was initially assigned one C-47 and one Sikorsky S-62 helicopter, the latter to be used as a backup. In August 1969, 3 UH-1H Helicopters were acquired by the Detachment and the unit ws also placed under the direct control of the Commanding General, Philippine Air Force for administrative and logistics requirements.

Due to the increasing number of personnel and equipment, this unit was redesignated as 7001st Presidential Airlift Squadron on 13 April 1972. On 10 December 1974, the unit was upgraded to a Wing, being designated the 700th Special Mission Wing, pursuant to General Orders Number 234, Headquarters, Philippine Air Force. The Wing was consisted of 6 Squadrons: the Headquarters Administrative Services, 701st Special Airlift Squadron, and 702nd Special Mission Squadron, 703rd Security Squadron, 704th Field Maintenance Squadron and 705th Supply Services Squadron.

In 1979, the Central Bank of the Philippines purchased 2 SA-330 Puma helicopters. A single Fokker F-28 Fellowship was purchased in 1980. These aircraft were assigned to the 700th Special Mission Wing for the use of then President Ferdinand E. Marcos. In 1981, 3 Bell 205A-1 helicotpers replaced the 3 UH-1H Helicopters being used by the 700th Special Mission Wing. In 1984, the Philippine Air Force acquired 17 helicopters from Sikorsky. Among these, 3 S-76A and 2 S-70A-5 helicopters were assigned to 700th Special Mission Wing to serve as support aircrafts for presidential requirements.

Several changes were implemented after the 1986 People Power Revolution. The 700th Special Mission Wing was redesignated as the 250th Presidential Airlift Wing on 10 July 1986, pursuant to General Orders Number 211, Headquarters, Philippine Air Force. The units subordinate squadrons were also redesignated as the 251st Special Airlift Squadron, 252nd Special Airlift Mission Squadron, 253rd Security Squadron, 254th Field Depot Maintenance Squadron and 255th Supply Services Squadron.

The Wing was once again redesignated and reorganized as the 250th Special Airlift Wing, pursuant to General Orders Number 260, dated 24 June 1998. The objective of the redesignation and reorganization was to make both more relevant to the unit's mandated mission. The 250th Special Airlift Wing consisted of the 252nd Presidential Airlift Squadron, 253rd Presidential Airlift Squadron, 258th Security Squadron, 259th Supply and Support and 260th Field Maintenance Squadron.

Eventually the unit was again redesignated as the 250th Presidential Airlift Wing. This unit consisted of 7 Squadrons: the Headquarters Squadron, 251st Presidential Airlift Squadron (Fixed Wing), 252nd Presidential Airlift Squadron (Rotary), 253rd Special Airlift Squadron, 254th Supply Support Squadron, 255th Field Maintenance Squadron, and 256th Security Squadron. A restructing of the Philippine Air Force as a whole led to the transfer of the Wing's 3 S-76A helicopters to the expanded 505th Search and Rescue Group.

With the enactment of the Bases Conversion Development and Modernization Program, the Bluebirds of the 250th Presidential Airlift Wing finally found a more permanent base in December 1999, in a more spacious and secured area adjacent to Ninoy Aquino International Airport. The 250th Presidential Airlift Wing was eventually relocated to Villamor Air Base.

On 7 April 2009, one of the 250th Presidential Airlift Wing's Bell 412's (registration number RP-1946) crashed in a remote area of Mount Pulag with 8 people on board, including senior presidential aides. All were killed. It was believed that the crash occurred as the helicopter was passing through thick fog, making it impossible for the pilots to realize how close to the mountain they were until impact. Four Bell 412s, the entire fleet of this type of aircraft then in service with the Philippine Air Force, remained in service with the 250th Presidential Airlift Wing.:)

william :D

June 14th, 2010, 02:01 PM

Mahirap magkunwari di mo alam pero madaling mahalata na di mo nga alam... Make this topic with sense payo ko lang para umusad tayong mga pinoy...
PEACE be with you...

po?eh hindi ko nga po talaga alam at hindi ako nagkukunware..kung yon po ang tingin mo e wala po akong magagawa...nakakainsulto po ba ang tanong ko kasi naiinsulto ako sa sagot mo..nagtatanong po ako ng maayos kuya... :ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno:

bitoy

June 14th, 2010, 08:46 PM

po?eh hindi ko nga po talaga alam at hindi ako nagkukunware..kung yon po ang tingin mo e wala po akong magagawa...nakakainsulto po ba ang tanong ko kasi naiinsulto ako sa sagot mo..nagtatanong po ako ng maayos kuya... :ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno:

Here's some more information site about the PAF if you are interested to know.

http://www.pbase.com/philippineaviation/philippine_air_force

Arvor

June 14th, 2010, 10:32 PM

It would probably also be harder to maintain the blackhawks if there are only two of them compared to the older and more numerous hueys ... .

bitoy

June 15th, 2010, 01:13 AM

jpdm

June 15th, 2010, 01:17 AM

^^ Big budget talaga ang kelangan to keep those birds flying and to purchase brand new ones.

Isang squadron lang nito, katatakutan na ng mga rebelde.

AH-64D
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2159/2047561358_b4a75072d0.jpg

Agree.

Mapapa ebs sa salawal mga abu sayaff at rogue MILF pag nakita nila yan.

Brown Tiger

June 15th, 2010, 02:31 AM

po?eh hindi ko nga po talaga alam at hindi ako nagkukunware..kung yon po ang tingin mo e wala po akong magagawa...nakakainsulto po ba ang tanong ko kasi naiinsulto ako sa sagot mo..nagtatanong po ako ng maayos kuya... :ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno:

Ok. bro. I admit na missed ko ung Airlift na word kaya Presidential Wing di mo naintindihan, palagay un lang gusto mo gawin ko i-clarify un ano.. Nobody's perfect unless Diyos ka bro... Bading ka cguro.. Peace be with you...

Ady001

June 15th, 2010, 02:36 AM

Agree.

Mapapa ebs sa salawal mga abu sayaff at rogue MILF pag nakita nila yan.

Pano pag may mga RPGs (Role Playing Games) ang mga Abu Sayaff?

Brown Tiger

June 15th, 2010, 04:05 AM

Pano pag may mga RPGs (Role Playing Games) ang mga Abu Sayaff?

bro baka ibig mo sabihin RPG (Rocket propelled grenades). Di rin nya kaya patamaan ung AH-64 apache. Ang pangontra jan dapat ay stinger missiles/heat seeking missiles gaya nito:

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/stinger.jpg

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/stinger-1.jpg

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/stinger-2.jpg

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/stinger-3.jpg

bitoy

June 15th, 2010, 06:12 AM

Pano pag may mga RPGs ang mga Abu Sayaff?

Mahirap iasinta ang RPG pag lumilipad ang target. They have a better chance in destroying an aircraft using RPGs while it's on the ground.
And if those Apaches are equipped with advanced weapon systems, they can eliminate multiple targets at a very safe distance.

mwg12a

June 15th, 2010, 09:54 AM

^^ Big budget talaga ang kelangan to keep those birds flying and to purchase brand new ones.

Isang squadron lang nito, katatakutan na ng mga rebelde.

AH-64D
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2159/2047561358_b4a75072d0.jpg

Wow mga tutubing patrol. Isang bala lang yan sa ground, bagsak na yan gaya duon sa Iraq !!! he he

bitoy

June 15th, 2010, 10:30 AM

Wow mga tutubing patrol. Isang bala lang yan sa ground, bagsak na yan gaya duon sa Iraq !!! he he

Kung aabot yung mga bala nila. Stingers and other ground to air missiles lang naman ang kalaban nito at aksidente o katangahan ng piloto at mekaniko pala. :D

Bahala na kayo kung gusto niyo panoorin ang videos na ito...

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william :D

June 15th, 2010, 10:37 AM

Ok. bro. I admit na missed ko ung Airlift na word kaya Presidential Wing di mo naintindihan, palagay un lang gusto mo gawin ko i-clarify un ano.. Nobody's perfect unless Diyos ka bro... Bading ka cguro.. Peace be with you...

hahaha...ni hindi mo man lang ako nkikita nagbibigay ka na ng opinyon tugkol sakin.haha,hindi ko hinihingi ang opinyon mo at hindi lang ikaw ang tinatanong ko. me problema ka ba sa kin at ang init ng dugo mo?hahaha, ba't ba lumaki ng ganito e tinatanong ko lang kung ano yung PRESIDENTIAL WING??kung hindi mo kayang sagutin sa sobra ng dami mong alam sa eroplano wag ako ang pag-initan mo! get a life!!!!!! :D :D :D

william :D

June 15th, 2010, 03:45 PM

Here's some more information site about the PAF if you are interested to know.

http://www.pbase.com/philippineaviation/philippine_air_force

ngayon ko lang po nabasa..salamat po. :D

Arvor

June 15th, 2010, 06:59 PM

Well rpgs will only be useful during the day and if there is good visibility and the aircraft is whitin a relatively close range since rpg's are rockets and not missiles which means that they have no guidance systems, in any case modern attack helicopters like the tiger or apache can attack targets from a long distance of up to 1 kilometer and at night, while their pilots are generally trained in tactics that allow them to hide and blend into the background making it harder for unsophisticated rebels to detect or defend against .

Altho the Apache is comparable i would pick the Eurocopter Tiger as its the most advanced attack helicopter currently in production + Eurocopter is the largest manufacturer of helicopters in the world today and possess the most advanced and innovative helicopter technologies, the Apache is basically an old design altho yes it would do just fine in erradicating insurgents .

Brown Tiger

June 16th, 2010, 09:16 AM

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/tank.jpg

New Philippine Army's Main Battle Tank (M1 Abrams Tank) Purchase on the Works. ( Under Noynoy Aquino's Administration )

bitoy

June 16th, 2010, 09:47 AM

kyril

June 16th, 2010, 10:21 AM

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/tank.jpg

New Philippine Army's Main Battle Tank (M1 Abrams Tank) Purchase on the Works. ( Under Noynoy Aquino's Administration )

If that's true, ilan kaya? Siguro konti lang naman since mahal ang isa nyan ($6.21 million) unless they'll but it surplus of course.

Alinghi

June 16th, 2010, 10:30 AM

talaga lang ha? kelangan yata ibyahe sa trailer trucks yang mga yan or else dami na naman makukurakot ang mga taga public works :lol:

gaLj

June 16th, 2010, 04:38 PM

:lol: You've got to be kidding... hindi kelangan yan sa atin. Maraming sisirain na kalye at mahirap ibiyahe ang M1 tank.

up to 20 tons lang ang kaya ng mga kalye natin :bash:

Christian_123

June 17th, 2010, 05:56 AM

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/tank.jpg

New Philippine Army's Main Battle Tank (M1 Abrams Tank) Purchase on the Works. ( Under Noynoy Aquino's Administration )

Gano kayang karaming tulay at kalsada ang masisira kung eto gamitin ng AFP :nuts: :lol:! Napaka impractical ng M1A2 sa terrain ng pilipinas. Sa sobrang bigat nito ay baka eto lang manyari :hilarious
http://newwars.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/117849.jpg

johnmizer

June 17th, 2010, 08:15 AM

us military ba nag rerelease ng mga videos n yn? sanna may mg release ng pectre gun ship videos...

so ano dapat ang tank natin...

http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/downloads/1/21/20567/thumb_620x2000/tank.jpg

gaLj

June 17th, 2010, 09:33 AM

bitoy

June 17th, 2010, 11:08 PM

us military ba nag rerelease ng mga videos n yn? sanna may mg release ng pectre gun ship videos...

so ano dapat ang tank natin...

The AFP has enough light armored tanks and personnel carriers, naka deployed lang sa ibang lugar. :D

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4041/4658614831_89b1f59712.jpg

AC-130 Gunship
This video or group of videos may contain content that is inappropriate for some users

The AC-130H Spectre gunship (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=AC-130+Gunship+Mission+&aq=f) <-- Videos

Eto na lang, maganda pa tingnan... :D

aOx_wHhitqk

Brown Tiger

June 18th, 2010, 01:38 AM

Gano kayang karaming tulay at kalsada ang masisira kung eto gamitin ng AFP :nuts: :lol:! Napaka impractical ng M1A2 sa terrain ng pilipinas. Sa sobrang bigat nito ay baka eto lang manyari :hilarious
http://newwars.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/117849.jpg

I hope they M1A2 Abrams Tank Manufacturer to replace its Engine into Diesel Fuel Efficient Strong Powerhouse. Current Engine is made of Gas Turbine Engine.

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/engine.jpg

DISADVANTAGES: 1.) High Gas-Consuming Engine. 2.) Vulnerable to Desert Dusts 3.) Frequent Engine Failures 4.) Not Suitable to Philippine Terrain.

kalbongdad

June 18th, 2010, 09:56 AM

The AFP has enough light armored tanks and personnel carriers, naka deployed lang sa ibang lugar. :D

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4041/4658614831_89b1f59712.jpg

AC-130 Gunship
This video or group of videos may contain content that is inappropriate for some users

The AC-130H Spectre gunship (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=AC-130+Gunship+Mission+&aq=f) <-- Videos

Eto na lang, maganda pa tingnan... :D

aOx_wHhitqk

agree....marami tayong mga apc....v150 at v300.....nde problema yun....ang mga tanks natin ay karamihan...scorpion tanks na british made....maliliit lang dahil hindi kakayanin ng mga bridges at daan natin ang mga M1 abrams tanks....ang kulang tayo ay sa navy at airforce sana lang unahin ang airforce dahil dito tayo talagang kulang sa air assets.....any news on the polish helicopters..?

bitoy

June 18th, 2010, 11:20 AM

^^ No description of the Polish made Helos. Maybe they are the Russian MI-17.

DND seals P2.8-billion deal for Polish helicopters (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=580915&publicationSubCategoryId=63)
By Jaime Laude (The Philippine Star) Updated June 03, 2010 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - The Department of National Defense (DND) is acquiring eight brand new combat utility helicopters from Poland instead of Israel, Defense Undersecretary for Modernization Antonio Romero said yesterday.

Romero said a government-to-government contract worth P2.8 billion was recently signed by the defense department with its Polish counterpart for the purchase of the combat utility helicopters.

“We expect initial delivery of four units within a year,” Romero said. The defense department earlier closed a P3-billion deal with Israel for the acquisition of a fleet of reconditioned single-engine Cobra attack helicopters.
Romero said the deal did not push through because the Philippine Air Force (PAF) rejected it.

Poland-based helicopter manufacturer Swidnik will produce the helicopters which, Romero said, had met PAF requirements, particularly the lifting capability.

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And P3 B deal for Cobras from Israel? Eto yata yung na purnada na deal -- Baka mga laspag na ang mga ito... :lol:

http://img.ifeng.com/hres/200901/04/13/2355f3c637c2e7ef08bcba7b892243a0.jpg

kalbongdad

June 18th, 2010, 11:32 AM

kaya nga....iba pa rin ang bago....sana tigilan na natin ang pagbili ng mga second hand or surplus na mga kagamitan....tama na ang ukay-ukay sa mga damit wag naman sa mga kagamitan pandigma....tama yung ginawa ng pgma admin....na tigilan na natin ang pagsandal sa amerika walang nangyari sa bayan natin nagkahetot hetot lang.....kung san tayo...makikinabang...dun tayo....sa china tayo dumikit ngayon dahil kahit liit kita nila...dami pera mga chinese ngayon....:lol:

Kintoy

June 18th, 2010, 04:45 PM

Kintoy

June 18th, 2010, 04:58 PM

At least brand new at hindi sloppy seconds ng mga kano :cheers:

The Philippines Prefers Polish Choppers (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htproc/articles/20100611.aspx)

June 11, 2010: The Philippines has ordered eight W-3A transport helicopters from Polish firm PZL-Swidnik. The six ton W-3 was originally developed in Poland in the 1970s and was sold to other East European nations, as a competitor to the Russian Mi-8. When the Cold War ended, the W-3 was upgraded and certified to operate in Western countries. The twin engine W-3 can carry twelve passengers. Some W-3s were used with Polish troops in Iraq, and it is now serving in Afghanistan.

There is also a W-3PL "battle support" helicopter version, and some of these are serveral with Polish troops in Afghanistan. This is not a gunship, but it has an armored floor, and is otherwise not as robust as choppers specifically built as gunships.

The W-3PL has a radar, HUD (head up display), anti-missile system (detectors and flare dispensers) and is armed with a 12.7mm machine-gun turret under the nose, There are winglets for carrying rockets and missiles.

The Philippines bought the W-3 because the aircraft had a good track record, and it was, like the Russian Mil-8, cheap ( in this case, $8.5 million each).

gaLj

June 18th, 2010, 05:41 PM

Kintoy

June 18th, 2010, 11:17 PM

we should move away from the US as our main defense supplier, puro bulok at second hand lang ang binebenta sa atin.

mwg12a

June 18th, 2010, 11:38 PM

benta ba yon o bigay lang? Kung bumibili siguro ang pinas directly at may pangbayad, or approved sa loan, i-grant siguro ang latest technology, or atleast close to it.

bitoy

June 19th, 2010, 01:08 AM

benta ba yon o bigay lang? Kung bumibili siguro ang pinas directly at may pangbayad, or approved sa loan, i-grant siguro ang latest technology, or atleast close to it.

It's complicated on how the different US assistance to the Philippines is being handled by our government. It averages to about $500~$700 million yearly plus other emergency aid during certain situations. But there are certain conditions or provisions that were laid down by the US congress for the Philippine government to comply with. One of them is the VFA, I'm not sure on what's the new administration's stand on this issue if Noynoy wants to continue the Arroyo's agreement or to review this agreement as suggested by many.
Actually, pag kumontra ka sa Amerika, lalo kang reregaluhan.... :lol:

ganoon yata ang style dapat... :D

william :D

June 19th, 2010, 03:39 AM

from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL-%C5%9Awidnik):

PZL Świdnik S.A (Wytwórnia Sprzętu Komunikacyjnego PZL-Świdnik S.A.) is the biggest helicopter manufacturer in Poland.
Its main products are PZL W-3 Sokół and PZL SW-4 Puszczyk helicopters.
In early 2010 the factory was acquired by AgustaWestland, and its official name changed to AgustaWestland Świdnik

The W-3 model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_W-3):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/23/Sokol05th2.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/W-3_Sok%C3%B3%C5%82.jpg
wow..ganyan ba yung inorder??haha, astigggg... :D :D :D

bitoy

June 19th, 2010, 04:23 AM

^^ Kelangan gamitin kaagad sa bundok para sumurender lahat ng rebelde... :lol:

Sigurado, ipaparada muna at meron selebrasyon. :D

Ecija

June 19th, 2010, 04:46 AM

Maganda siguro yan pang escort sa presidential chopper. Kahit paano irerespeto na ng mga kalaban ang airforce.:cheers:

william :D

June 19th, 2010, 05:13 AM

Maganda siguro yan pang escort sa presidential chopper. Kahit paano irerespeto na ng mga kalaban ang airforce.:cheers:

oo nga,haha.

^^ Kelangan gamitin kaagad sa bundok para sumurender lahat ng rebelde... :lol:

Sigurado, ipaparada muna at meron selebrasyon. :D

astiggggggg...sana makuha na agad.hehe, :D :D :D

johnmizer

June 19th, 2010, 08:38 AM

^noob question, bakit ang elsis malmabot kapag hinde umaandar?

bitoy

June 19th, 2010, 09:20 AM

^noob question, bakit ang elsis malmabot kapag hinde umaandar?

Meron ding rigid blades, bakit kaya flexible yun mga blades?, masasagot yan ni Ambutlang, I think he worked with choppers before.

Ang isang pang tanong, bakit yung mga tao na galing at sasakay sa helicopter yumuyuko?.... :D

Kintoy

June 19th, 2010, 09:32 AM

It's complicated on how the different US assistance to the Philippines is being handled by our government. It averages to about $500~$700 million yearly plus other emergency aid during certain situations. But there are certain conditions or provisions that were laid down by the US congress for the Philippine government to comply with. One of them is the VFA, I'm not sure on what's the new administration's stand on this issue if Noynoy wants to continue the Arroyo's agreement or to review this agreement as suggested by many.
Actually, pag kumontra ka sa Amerika, lalo kang reregaluhan.... :lol:

ganoon yata ang style dapat... :D

ang daming pang strings attached pag aid galing US.

Arvor

June 19th, 2010, 12:39 PM

Rigidity does not always make things stronger sometimes materials need to be flexible in order to resist certain preassures, this is for example part of the idea behind cable stayed bridges which are not completely rigid designs but have built in flexibilities in order to absorb for example earthquakes, a rigid wall is more likely to crack during an earthquake than one that has some room to shift and these ideas are now integrated in building techniques.

A good example is a wallis tingting lol dunno how its spelt if you take a few strands and flex it, it would likely flex quite far before breaking compared to a more rigid say spaghetti or piece of wood .

The flexing of a helicopter wing ( rotor ) has a function in that it helps to regulate lift and airflow by flexing, its a bit complicated to explain in a concise way so ill just add this link which can explain it better :

http://evangelidis.gr/embry/autogiro_legacy-html.htm
In particular read "Dissymmetry of Lift" & "Blade Flapping"

mwg12a

June 19th, 2010, 05:01 PM

ang daming pang strings attached pag aid galing US.

Siempre naman, kahit anong bansa mag bigay. Kahit nga mangutang ka sa nanay mo may string attached did diba? Ano bale? di uso ang martyr ngayon he he

It's complicated on how the different US assistance to the Philippines is being handled by our government. It averages to about $500~$700 million yearly plus other emergency aid during certain situations. But there are certain conditions or provisions that were laid down by the US congress for the Philippine government to comply with. One of them is the VFA, I'm not sure on what's the new administration's stand on this issue if Noynoy wants to continue the Arroyo's agreement or to review this agreement as suggested by many.
Actually, pag kumontra ka sa Amerika, lalo kang reregaluhan.... :lol:

ganoon yata ang style dapat... :D

Naturalmente! Scratch my back, i'll scratch yours.. It's just the way it is.... Bahala ka na lang kung kuko sa paa ang gamitin pang kamot sa likod mo o nila :rofl:

marxman

June 19th, 2010, 08:31 PM

philippine military bulok.

Kintoy

June 19th, 2010, 10:56 PM

Siempre naman, kahit anong bansa mag bigay. Kahit nga mangutang ka sa nanay mo may string attached did diba? Ano bale? di uso ang martyr ngayon he he

Naturalmente! Scratch my back, i'll scratch yours.. It's just the way it is.... Bahala ka na lang kung kuko sa paa ang gamitin pang kamot sa likod mo o nila :rofl:

kaya nga mas mabuti na bumili na lang sa iba, brand new pa, mura at walang ass kissing na kailangan kay Uncle Sam.

kyril

June 20th, 2010, 02:22 AM

^ I agree. I know they're very expensive but hopefully they'll acquire more and more brand new equipment lalo na yung magiging replacement presidential aircraft. Di ba dati balak nilang bumili ng Embraer Legacy 600?

kalbongdad

June 20th, 2010, 12:17 PM

philippine military bulok.

i strongly disagree to your generalization.....

Arvor

June 20th, 2010, 12:35 PM

victorlachica

June 20th, 2010, 02:00 PM

Me too.

i strongly disagree to your generalization.....

kyril

June 20th, 2010, 03:36 PM

@Arvor: hmmm masyadong mahal sya e ($50 million) pero pwede rin since its range is so long it can travel from here to USA. And wow it uses fly-by-wire and sidesticks just like an Airbus aircraft.

Arvor

June 20th, 2010, 08:16 PM

Well the Embraer jet would cost millions aswell lol around (30 million$) and they probably would still need a bigger plane to compensate for the lack of space and range so ultimately more costs, with this they get one plane thats capable of doing the job where otherwise 2 would be needed, the other great thing is despite its intercontinental range this plane is small enough to land on most secondary or local airports aswell, anyway 50 million$ is the price of one brand new 4 to 4,5 generation fighter ... and its not like it would only be used once instead the plane could probably serve for 30+ years as vip transport.

mwg12a

June 20th, 2010, 09:47 PM

kaya nga mas mabuti na bumili na lang sa iba, brand new pa, mura at walang ass kissing na kailangan kay Uncle Sam.

Problema, walay cualta!!! Di kaya ng bulsa. Sa pinaglumaan lang din ng ibang bansa na uutangan ang makukuha s.

bariQ

June 20th, 2010, 11:01 PM

^^ kung bibili lang naman ng jet na tig $30mil. ibili nalang sana ng tatlong polish choppers na $8.5mil each.

mwg12a

June 20th, 2010, 11:46 PM

http://www.businessaviationnews.com/ftpvideo/The-incredible-Falcon-7X.jpg

I really hope not ive been in one of those and they are quite cramp for space, the Dassault Falcon 7X is the best bizjet as its got a wider cabin which makes it more comfortable and able to accomodate facilities and an intercontinental range compared to the Embraer, this means that they could fly to Europe or the US without stopovers giving the government a small and cheap aircraft to operate for intercontinental transport instead of or compared to using an Airbus a330 or b777 sized aircraft + the 3rd engine gives it extra safety .

Only thing with this aircraft is that it can only hold 8 passengers it seems like. When a head of state travels overseas for their official visit, they usually have to take more people with them, not just the immediate staffs. For instance business people and I believe the official media crew and such. I rather have the president use a bigger aircraft with multi use just as what was recomended in previous pages.

kyril

June 21st, 2010, 12:14 AM

^ It may be far more expensive than the falcon 7x but how about the A319 Corporate Jet? Well that one can carry up to 39 passengers and many countries already uses it as a presidential aircraft.

bitoy

June 21st, 2010, 12:38 AM

Only thing with this aircraft is that it can only hold 8 passengers it seems like. When a head of state travels overseas for their official visit, they usually have to take more people with them, not just the immediate staffs. For instance business people and I believe the official media crew and such. I rather have the president use a bigger aircraft with multi use just as what was recomended in previous pages.

Meron na ang Pinas na AirForce 1, 3 storey pa nga, ang daming pasahero niyun. :lol:

mwg12a

June 21st, 2010, 12:51 AM

^ It may be far more expensive than the falcon 7x but how about the A319 Corporate Jet? Well that one can carry up to 39 passengers and many countries already uses it as a presidential aircraft.

a319 can only carry 39 passengers or you men falcon 7X?

Either way, A319, 320 or 321 would be good enough. But with a bigger multipurpose aircraft that can also carry cargoes would work.

how long can A319/20 fly? 7 hours atleast?

Arvor

June 21st, 2010, 03:59 AM

how long can A319/20 fly? 7 hours atleast?

Well a commerical airline A319/20/21 can basically do something like Tokyo to Singapore .

A319CJ
This is the corporate jet version of the A319. It incorporates removable extra fuel tanks which are installed in the cargo compartment, and an increased service ceiling of 41,000 feet. Range with 8 passengers' payload and the standard four auxiliary fuel tanks is 6,000 nautical miles (11,100 km)

Anyway its the POTPR ( President of the Phillipines Rep ) not the POTUS lol, i dont think that the president of the republic needs to travel with that much personnel all the time except during summits, embassy personnel in the country of destination can fulfill alot of their needs or must become able to do so in my opinion .

Une flotte républicaine de 8 appareils
Les avions de la République font partie de l'ETEC : Escadron de Transport, d'Entraînement et de Calibration. Cet escadron comprend huit appareils : deux Airbus A319 de 40 places chacun, deux Falcon 900 et quatre Falcon 50 de huit à treize places. Le coût moyen d'une heure de vol est de 4500 euros.
Depuis son arrivée à l'Elysée, le chef de l'Etat a utilisé 2 avions pour ses vacances d'été aux Etats-Unis, 3 avions pour son déplacement en Egypte et 4 avions pour son déplacement en province.

Nicolas Sarkozy a pris la décision de renouveler la totalité de la flotte présidentielle à la suite de son déplacement à Lisbonne pour la signature du traité simplifié. Le 13 décembre dernier, le président de la République et le Premier ministre étaient arrivés à Lisbonne en Falcon 900 pour le sommet européen. A peine après avoir atterri, le chef de l'Etat se serait aperçu qu'à côté des Airbus et des Boeings de ses homologues, le Falcon 900 faisait tout petit. De retour du Portugal, il a donc confirmé son souhait de voir la flotte renouvelée pendant son quinquennat.

Un renouvellement payé par l'armée
Les 4 Falcon 50 seraient donc remplacés par des Falcon 2000, les 2 Falcon 900 par des Falcon 7X. Enfin, les deux A319 devraient laisser leur place à deux A330.
http://www.politique.net/2008020601-nicolas-sarkozy-veut-son-air-force-one.htm

Just to get some ideas this article talks about the French Republics presidential air fleet of 8 aircraft they have 2 A319's both 40 seaters, 2 Falcon 900 and 4 Falcon 50 both with 8 to 13 seats, the average flight per hour cost is 4500 €uros.

Basically the article which im not going to get into the politics of just to give an example of how such air fleets are used in practice so we can get an idea was about the extravagance of Sarkozy and the French presidents escapades with these planes, where on his vacation to the US he used 2 planes on one vacation to Egypt he used 3 of them and in one to the south of France he used 4 planes.

Anyway Sarkozy who is kindof small of stature not GMAesque but still small for a French guy coupled with a huge ego and a Napoleon syndrome lol, flew for a, EU summit where he was going to sign a treaty on a single Falcon 900 which is similar to the 7X, anyway on the tarmac he saw other EU leaders flew in on larger planes and after the summit he decided to buy a whole new range of aircraft that befits his "stature" .

So now they are planning to replace the Falcon 50s with Falcon 900's the 2 existing Falcon 900 by Falcon 7x's and the 2 A319 by 2 A330s.

So the article gives us a bit of an idea on how a presidential fleet looks like and works at least for a rather more busy French Republic, some countries leaders travel more often than others id think .

Malacañang said yesterday that the size of the delegation of President Arroyo for her trip to New York today is not unusual and should not be considered excessive.

Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita said that the 71-member delegation was smaller than those in the previous trips of the President.
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleid=402008

According to the article above 71 people makes up the average size of a summit delegation in this occassion the regular UN summit .

Im wondering what those 71 people do ?, i think that local embassy staffs should be able to support a delegation its normally part of their job description and if it isnt it probably should be and as for journalists thats really more of an American practice, for the most part journalists and eventually other less important staff who would have to get to wherever before the president arrives can and should probably fly ahead of time on commercial flights .

I guess i just think that the whole process can be made more efficient by using embassy staffs and technology as there are phones, internet connections, teleconferencing etc to make such delegations more efficient and cost effective, i guess i just cant understand what most of these 71 persons are for ?.

I agree that one aircraft wouldnt be enough especially if those figures are true with regards the Phillipines average prez delegation size, so they probably could have two 8 seater VIP and two with ordinary economy type seating (14 each ) for the groupies and minions lol ( personal manghuhula, the personal maid, the personal stylist, the personal cook, the personal foot massager and whatnot ... ).

Anyway i only mentioned the Dassault Falcon 7X in the case of them thinking of buying the less capable Embraer ... .

I still agree with you that an A330 MRTT or multirole aircraft a cargo and tanker aircraft which can also be fitted with seats for transporting people of this number could also be a good fit for summits or the rare occassion that the prez needs to travel with a large delegation .

I guess it all depends on money which if it isnt really an issue then we could go with A380's ... .

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2250/4512568082_f3845bb6df.jpg

Lol for political reasons the US wont get an A380 and EADS has already bowed out of the competition for the next Air Force one but lol it would be funny to see a US prez arriving in a 747 while the Chinese prez arrives in a big ass A380... .

Theres one A380 VIP ordered to my knowledge :
What's 239 feet long, flies at 647mph, and has three floors that include a grand staircase, four giant full suites, boardroom with hologram projector, a full spa, concert hall, car garage, and a space-age lift that drops onto the runway?
http://gizmodo.com/5279529/inside-the-485+million-airbus-a380-flying-palace

http://www.luxurylaunches.com/entry_images0307/14/airbus.jpg

kyril

June 21st, 2010, 04:00 AM

@mwg12a: Just like the Falcon 7X, it also has the range that can travel from Manila to USA.

Arvor

June 21st, 2010, 04:41 AM

It ( A319cj ) would probably be roomier but if we want the range it would only transport the same number as the Falcon 7X and cost more to fly since its a bigger plane .

johnmizer

June 21st, 2010, 06:19 AM

^ ilang taon na pala yung presidential car natin? panahon pa ni ramos yaun oh...

marxman

June 21st, 2010, 08:19 AM

i strongly disagree to your generalization.....

technically, it is...

Kintoy

June 21st, 2010, 09:36 AM

Kintoy

June 21st, 2010, 09:38 AM

Problema, walay cualta!!! Di kaya ng bulsa. Sa pinaglumaan lang din ng ibang bansa na uutangan ang makukuha s.

this is not true. nakokorakot lang ang budget kaya wala nang pambili. di naman kailangan F-16 ang bilhin. nag-offer ang Israel ng Kfir dati.

kubwak

June 21st, 2010, 10:58 AM

^^

all of the UH-1H are reconditioned

some of the OV-10 Broncos were donated by Thailand, the rest were Vietnam-era USAF planes

only 1 C-130 left in service because kulang na sa spare parts yung iba

the S211, which is primarily a trainer, is now used for air defense

one of the primary transport aircraft of the PAF is the Fokker F27.

So the equipment is quite old

When you say "philippine military bulok", you are making a sweeping generalization that includes, not just the old and clunky equipment, but also the personnel.

Do you really mean that all our military personnel are also "bulok"?

Kintoy

June 21st, 2010, 11:21 AM

i did not say that. somebody else did. i pointed out the sad equipment we have :lol:

pero well, kung abu sayaff nga na 150 lang ang bilang di nila matalo-talo...

marxman

June 21st, 2010, 02:31 PM

So the equipment is quite old

When you say "philippine military bulok", you are making a sweeping generalization that includes, not just the old and clunky equipment, but also the personnel.

Do you really mean that all our military personnel are also "bulok"?

ok fine... hindi sila bulok... rating nalang... 1-10... 10 being the best.

i think rate naten is 2... what does that mean? doesnt it mean bulok military naten? accept it dude... theres nothing wrong with accepting it.

kung personnel nmn. try mo paglabanen ung full gear na philippine soldier and full gear na singaporean soldier. tingin mo sino mananalo?

how about singaporean f-15 vs philippine s-211

sa navy namn singporean RSS Formidable vs BRP Rajah Humabon

ano m.conclude mo?

Christian_123

June 21st, 2010, 05:40 PM

So the equipment is quite old

When you say "philippine military bulok", you are making a sweeping generalization that includes, not just the old and clunky equipment, but also the personnel.

Do you really mean that all our military personnel are also "bulok"?

Just look at those new shiny mansions of AFP Generals! *cough* *cough* *cough*

I agree with marxman, talagang bulok ang army, navy at air force natin. Kahit "well trained" ang soldiers natin ay wala silang kalabanlaban pag ang kalaban ay sobrang modern naman ang gamit.

kalbongdad

June 22nd, 2010, 02:06 AM

Just look at those new shiny mansions of AFP Generals! *cough* *cough* *cough*

I agree with marxman, talagang bulok ang army, navy at air force natin. Kahit "well trained" ang soldiers natin ay wala silang kalabanlaban pag ang kalaban ay sobrang modern naman ang gamit.

i completely disagree.....case in point.....vietnam...kicking american asses.. irag kicking american asses...need i say more......yung mga equipment pang shock and awe lang yan....once the real fighting starts mano y mano....ano nangyari sa kanila......their asses were kicked by poorly armed but dedicated militias.....

Ady001

June 22nd, 2010, 02:08 AM

kalbongdad

June 22nd, 2010, 02:17 AM

^^ Home advantage. Pati nga Militar natin hirap tugisin ang Abu Sayyaf dahil sa masusukal na bundok...

But yeah, military might aside talagang humanga ako sa Vietnam nung na-trump nila ang US because of the Vietnam War.

hindi hirap tugisin.....ang isyu dito palagi pagnananalo na ang militar biglang sulputan na ang mga human rights epal......naalala mo ba panahon ni erap....they were trounced....their camps fell one after the other....kaso...biglang tigil...kaya heto tayo ulit back to square 1 usap wento wala wenta...sa mga separatists at terrorists.....

btw yung ang isang bagay pala na nagawa ni erap sa panahon nya maliban sa carabao law....har har har...

Brown Tiger

June 22nd, 2010, 03:36 AM

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/sg-mbt.jpg

SINGAPORE MAIN BATTLE TANK (GERMAN LEOPARD TANK)

Scenario:
If there will be a War between Singapore and Philippines, 1st day of war, all our infantry will be obliterated.

President Elect NoyNoy, TIME TO MODERNIZE THE ARMED FORCES !! NOW!!

Ady001

June 22nd, 2010, 03:37 AM

hindi hirap tugisin.....ang isyu dito palagi pagnananalo na ang militar biglang sulputan na ang mga human rights epal......naalala mo ba panahon ni erap....they were trounced....their camps fell one after the other....kaso...biglang tigil...kaya heto tayo ulit back to square 1 usap wento wala wenta...sa mga separatists at terrorists.....

btw yung ang isang bagay pala na nagawa ni erap sa panahon nya maliban sa carabao law....har har har...

Powtek, tama nga pala ano. Hmm... Ano kaya kung idegrade din mga rights nila. Talagang di pa nakakatikim ng giyera ang mga 'to.

kubwak

June 22nd, 2010, 03:41 AM

we all have our own opinions

and my opinion is that some of us suffer from armchair generalitis

Brown Tiger

June 22nd, 2010, 04:19 AM

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/army.jpg

PHILIPPINE NAVY VESSELS

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/PNavy.jpg

SINGAPORE NAVY VESSELS

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/navy.jpg

Alinghi

June 22nd, 2010, 05:36 AM

we should have a well-equipped modern army first to begin with.. saka na ang PAF at PN kasi wala na tayong laban dyan.. the army should be the strongest in the AFP in case of an invasion eh may laban talaga tayo, keeping in mind Gen. McArthur saying "give me 10,000 Filipino soldiers and i'll conquer the world" mantra.. kaya natin yan as long as merong modern equipment.. army defense material is also cheaper than ships and planes so this should be easy basta committed ang Aquino Administration sa modernization at mawalis ang mga kurakot na general

kalbongdad

June 22nd, 2010, 12:21 PM

oreotm

June 22nd, 2010, 02:58 PM

palitan nalang kaya natin title ng thread na 'to? "Philippine Defense forces versus other nations defense force"??

Arvor

June 22nd, 2010, 04:31 PM

If there will be a War between Singapore and Philippines, 1st day of war, all our infantry will be obliterated.

we should have a well-equipped modern army first to begin with.. saka na ang PAF at PN kasi wala na tayong laban dyan.. the army should be the strongest in the AFP in case of an invasion eh may laban talaga tayo

I would respond to both comments at the same time because they are tied togheter.

Altho they probably would have a harder time in a war of attrition Singapore is undoubtedly the strongest military in ASEAN and their strength would lie in being able to bear massive firepower against their enemy in a short period of time since they cant do long wars, the Phillipine army would not get obliterated by Singapores tanks but by its air and naval power, the Phillipine army is rather useless against a full blown invasion which isnt very likely anyway, the likeliest scenario for an invasion would be against outlying islands such as the Spratleys or other similarly far flung islands or naval and air blockades which could cripple the country .

The army actually needs to be made smaller while in fact i believe that it is the marines and the paratroop forces that needs to be increased given the archipelagic nature of the country and the means by which the country would need to take the war to its enemies, you dont use the army to storm the beaches of the enemy or capture their cities and airports in the middle of the night for these you use the marines the paratroops and special forces .

The army for its part needs to become smaller more professional and well equipped with an enlarged special forces groups, likewise tanks are not really that usefull in the countries terrain and it could be made even more useless if the country starts to acquire and employ portable anti tank and anti aircraft missile systems in its standard platoon formations .

Theres no use having a large army if it is poorly trained and equipped to face a modern adversary, the Iraqi army during the first gulf war was at the time considered to be one of the largest but it lacked the technological sophistication and the results when they faced the wests ultra modern firepower was simply devastating it was basically no contest, it is for these same reasons that S.Korea in my opinion could win over the north if they are forced to or willing to take some initial devastation against Seoul .

Heres an opinion i wrote in another thread regarding reforms of the country and on defence .

- Military reform/Defence industry .

The country should focus on building naval and air forces and massively increasing the size of the Phillippine marines given that the country is primarily a maritime archipelago, aswell as paratrooper forces so that we create a mobile force capable of long distance force projection both by sea and air .

The marines should expand from the current 10.000 to 40.000
Airborne and special forces from 5000 to 20.000

The army should be divided into two separate sections :

1) a small but professional and well equipped army from 113.000 to 80.000 ( + reserves )

2) a large conscript based national guard system ( around 100.000 conscripts at any given time ) with its own independent command structure except in time of war when the service is integrated under army command, where young people will serve 1 or two years of their life maybe 18 and 19 or they can chose 19 and 20 in basic military training and mainly be based in their local province or island, and only serve as auxiliary to the professional army in local support roles and to help out in disasters and not necessarily fighting insurgents or frontline warfare.

They will basically just be boyscouts with guns and uniforms and trucks and other light basic equipment, the idea is to create bonds between the youth and love of country aswell as networking contacts for their life in the future and learning a thing or two about self discipline and self esteem .

The conscripts will only be used in frontline warfare in the event the country is invaded or threatened or otherwise if needed for national security, in which case they fall under operational control of the army, or to assist other relevant government agency lets say NBI, PNP or environmental agency during disasters or civil unrest ie riots or prison breaks etc .

Alternatively they could chose to join a civil service, so for example if they want to become an engineer they can volunteer to civil engineer units in the countryside building roads and other local infrastructures or if they wish to become doctors or nurses likewise they could join rural medical civic services dispensing healthcare in remote areas, this will help them gain real life and practical experience on the one hand while improving the quality of life and infrastructure for those less developed far flung and rural areas .

From the ranks of these conscripts if they wish to enter the military would come most of the recruitement for the national professional military forces like the army , navy , air forces ... .

There must also be better coordination between the military, government and industry in order to build step by step at first a modest defence industry, and perhaps cluster these industries around Bataan province which can specialise in defence and where the military could perhaps build a giant joint forces base something like fort hood texas and norfolk naval base combined + airbases, the province already has alot of national parks the rest of the territory can be handed over to the military as training grounds .

Finally the country needs to start developing a more robust and meaningful foreign policy, one which seeks closer alliances with countries like Singapore, S.Korea and Japan the US and others the Phillipines must become an important cornerstone in defending and securing the sea lanes of trade and regional peace, and we must be prepared to support such key allies in defending their security .http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=571704&page=35

And my post on portable anti tank and anti air/ship systems, these missiles are expensive they cost in the thousands of $ a pop but then again they can take out tanks and helicopters that can cost in the hundreds of thousands or millions ... and seriously hamper an enemies freedom of movement, it was the advent of these portable anti tank missile systems and anti aircraft missiles that allowed the Egyptians a substantial advantage and drew the Israeli counter offensive to a halt in the begining of the Yom Kippur war against Israel and again the tactics were employed by Hezbollah during the Israeli attack on Lebanon in 2006, now imagine the same tactics using more modern portable missile systems by a modern professional army .

Of course portable missiles should not substitute a full compliment of larger and longer ranged missiles, air forces and naval ships both in the defence of the country or in fighting offensive actions .

Anti tank

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Anti air

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RBS 70

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Mistral Missile

The country can buy some tanks nontheless but these would be more usefull on offensive operations overseas or in the framework of coalition warfare or peace keeping .

marxman

June 22nd, 2010, 04:57 PM

i completely disagree.....case in point.....vietnam...kicking american asses.. irag kicking american asses...need i say more......yung mga equipment pang shock and awe lang yan....once the real fighting starts mano y mano....ano nangyari sa kanila......their asses were kicked by poorly armed but dedicated militias.....

sa iraq and vietnam its more of a Guerrilla/Insurgency.

Arvor

June 22nd, 2010, 10:01 PM

The Americans or indeed the western colonial powers rarely lost to local insurgents, its not as black and white as win or lose, in these cases especially with regards the western democracies it was politics, public preassure at home or intervention by other powers more than local insurgents capabilities on the battlefield that lost their wars.

This was the case in Vietnam where the tet offensive for example was actually a disaster on the battlefield for the Vietcong and NVA, but it was a psychological victory because Americans back home got the "perception" that things were not under control even if those actions had little real impact militarily and on the contrary resulted in greater losses for the communists .

It was the same story for the French in their colonial wars where a post ww2 French republic was rocked by unstable governments which were more busy wrangling at home than caring for the events in Indochina, and later in Algeria where it was decided that France could not call itself a democracy while genociding a million Algerians aswell as other instabilities which de Gaulle prefered to adress, there was also the Suez crisis 2 years earlier where France & Britain invited Israel to stage an invasion of Egypt which would allow Britain and France to invade and depose Nassr who had just nationalized the British and French built Suez canal, as with previous conflicts the local insurgents were simply massacred and were unable to resist these invasions, it was the Soviet threat of intervention that forced the USA to put preassure on Britain and France to cease their operation despite the fact that they had utter domination on the battlefield, the Egyptian military and later civilian militias were basically destroyed .

Lets take a look at the Soviet adventure in Afghanistan they killed around 2 million Afghans once again local insurgencies were unable to do much it wasnt until the US and other muslim countries like Saudi and Pakistan started getting involved and were clandestinely arming the Mujahadeen with stinger missiles for example that they started to book some gains .

The Iraqi insurgency in the latest war was basically incapable of evicting the Americans who are still there today, in Afghanistan the Taleban has zero hope of kicking out the western powers nor are its neighbours arming the Taleban for fear of themselves getting bombed into the stone age ... .

And of course the Israelis are still in the occupied territories of the west bank only politics can truelly force them to withdraw .

The same thing occured in Indonesia the Dutch were able to hold onto the cities it was American and somewhat british preassure that led them to finally concede independence for Indonesia not because the insurgents were successful on the battlefield, indeed it was the same story in Malaya where the British were able to put down the communist insurgency .

During the Korean war the entry of China using a few million men in a human wave strategy was only successfull in pushing the UN forces into a draw, it cost the Chinese dearly in lives and brought their own offensives to a halt by the smaller but more technologically based UN forces .

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h46000/h46861.jpg
Pelayo, a 9745-ton battleship, was built at La Seyne, France. Launched in February 1887, she was completed the following year. During the Spanish-American War she took part in Admiral Camara's abortive Philippines relief expedition.

On 1 May 1898, the Spanish Navy's squadron in the Philippines under Rear Admiral Patricio Montojo y Pasaron was destroyed by the U.S. Navy's Asiatic Squadron under Commodore George Dewey in the Battle of Manila Bay. The Spanish Ministry of Marine began to consider options for redressing the situation there. Two of Spain's most powerful warships, the battleship Pelayo and the brand-new armored cruiser Emperador Carlos V were not available when the war began, the former undergoing reconstruction in a French shipyard and the latter not yet delivered from her builders. But both were rushed into service and assigned to Camara's squadron.

On 15 June 1898, Camara finally received his orders: He was to sail immediately for the Philippines, escorting a convoy carrying 4,000 Spanish Army troops for reinforcement of the Philippines, and destroy Dewey's squadron there. His orders directed him to depart Cadiz with Pelayo, Emperador Carlos V, auxiliary cruisers Patriota and Rapido, destroyers Audaz, Osado, and Proserpina, and transports Buenos Aires, Panay, Alfonso XII, and Antonio Lopez, and four colliers. He was to detach Alfonso XII and Antonio Lopez near Gibraltar after dark so that they could proceed to the Caribbean, then take the rest of his force to the Philippines via Gibraltar, Port Said, Suez, Socotra (at which point the colliers were to be detached to return to Cartagena), the Laccadive Islands, and Ceylon. After that, he was told to coal either along the coast of Sumatra or in Singapore or Batavia, and then either make an optional stop at Labuan, Borneo, or proceed directly to Mindanao. Once in the Philippines, he was to disperse (to places such as Balabac, Jolo, Basilan, and Zamboanga) or concentrate his squadron as best he saw fit to ensure safe arrival of the troops and then deal with Dewey's squadron.

Camara sortied from Cadiz on 16 June 1898, passed Gibraltar on 17 June 1898 (first detaching Alfonso XII and Antonio Lopez for their independent voyages to the Caribbean as ordered), and arrived at Port Said on 26 June 1898. There he requested permission to transship coal, which the Egyptian government finally denied on 30 June 1898 out of concern for Egyptian neutrality.

By the time Camara's squadron arrived at Suez on 5 July 1898, the squadron of Vice Admiral Pascual Cervera y Topete had been annihilated in the Battle of Santiago de Cuba, freeing up the U.S. Navy's heavy forces from the blockade of Santiago de Cuba. Fearful for the security of the Spanish coast, the Spanish Ministry of Marine recalled Camara's squadron on 7 July 1898. Camara departed Suez on 11 July 1898 for Spain, where the 2nd Squadron was dissolved on 25 July 1898.

Look at the Phillipines own history the rebels of Aguinaldo the KKK could not really have succeeded if we are honest ( ill probably get some flak for this lol ), had it not been for the breaking out of the Spanish American war which prevented Spain from sending substantial forces to crush the rebellion.

The war started when an American ship the USS Maine blew up in Havana harbour Cuba, the Americans used it as a pretext for war since they were interested in extending their influence over Latin America, Spain had already sent a powerfull naval squadron to the Phillipines but after the Spanish had lost another fleet in the naval battles in the Carribean they recalled the squadron headed for the Phillipines to protect Spain, this led to the weakening of Spanish forces in the Phillipines explaining why the local forces of the Spanish in the Phillipines were defeated by the Filipinos & Americans who later brought Aguinaldo back from Hong Kong .

Indeed after the battle of Manila Bay the Americans did not know what to do with the country the presence of a powerfull German battlefleet made clear to the Americans that if they did not occupy the country they would and indeed there were French, British etc warships in Manila bay aswell waiting to see what happend next, so if not the Spaniards the Americans and if it were not them the Germans the local insurgency contrary to our self gratification was actually unable to achieve real independence ..., the Americans would fight until 1902/3 and kill 600.000 Filipinos in the Phillipine American war where they slowly but surely annihilated the First Phillipine Republic .

It really depends on the goal of the adversary while full occupation or conquering lands is so 19th century, in all these wars the local populations were lucky that the major powers were unwilling to simply commit genocide as they did in north and south America or to the Jews etc, because there otherwise would have been little the locals could have done to stop them.

The Japanese were wise to surrender as the Soviets and Americans were willing to kill every last one of them if it came to it, the Vietnamese and Afghans suffered more than a million dead and hundreds of thousands wounded are we willing to sacrifice a million or two million lives ?, i think that in the end its best to have a modern and well armed military that can protect the country from such losses in lives and only rely on human wave tactics when theres no other choice .

fspooky

June 23rd, 2010, 03:26 AM

Brown Tiger

June 23rd, 2010, 05:22 AM

obliterated in the first day? hahahahha!!!! asa... 40k chinese laban 900 na pinoy nga talo pa chinese after losing 12000 - battle of yultong bridge. ..... i know miracle yun battle na yun kasi pati chef, clerks, medics sumali sa laban sa chinese.. pero if may foreign occupier sa pinas, im sure filipino's will do well against them.. we have our ways

Di ko po sinabi na mananalo sila after the 1st day ng labanan, scenario lang yun kase mas advance sila sa firepower.

Pero sa mga susunod na labanan di ko sinabi na talo na tayo. Iba ang techniques natin sa guerilla warfare at mas experienced tayo sa kanila sa labanan.

SA HULI TAYO PA RIN ANG MANANALO KAHIT MAS ADVANCE GAMIT NILA..
HAPPY????

NaglatagawK0

June 23rd, 2010, 05:44 AM

i did not say that. somebody else did. i pointed out the sad equipment we have :lol:

pero well, kung abu sayaff nga na 150 lang ang bilang di nila matalo-talo...

konti nga lng ang abu sayaff but they know the terrain at saka hindi sila lumalaban ng harapan. hindi madaling matalo ang isang grupong hindi lumalaban ng harapan. e try nyo muna makipag bakbakan sa abu sayaff saka kayo mag bigay ng comment. fighting insurgency is not a walk in the park no mater how well equip your military. Try to look at the US armed forces bakit ba hindi nila matapos tapos ang vietcong at ngayon yung mga taliban?

NaglatagawK0

June 23rd, 2010, 05:51 AM

this is not true. nakokorakot lang ang budget kaya wala nang pambili. di naman kailangan F-16 ang bilhin. nag-offer ang Israel ng Kfir dati.

tama ka hindi natin kailangan ang F16. The offer of israel for the kfir is good d ko lng maintindihan bakit ayaw ng airforce natin sa KFIR.

NaglatagawK0

June 23rd, 2010, 05:57 AM

Just look at those new shiny mansions of AFP Generals! *cough* *cough* *cough*

I agree with marxman, talagang bulok ang army, navy at air force natin. Kahit "well trained" ang soldiers natin ay wala silang kalabanlaban pag ang kalaban ay sobrang modern naman ang gamit.

hindi naman cguro lahat ng generals natin ganun dba? hindi po bulok ang military natin. may kasabihan nga sa military to make do of what you have.

Honestly sa panahon ni marcos our military is one of the well equip armed forces in asia. But when cory aquino became the president dito nag start na hindi na binibigyan ng importansya ang psag bili ng bagong equipment. If you have a bunch of leftist advisers ganun na nga ang mangyayari sa military natin.

Christian_123

June 23rd, 2010, 10:44 AM

hindi naman cguro lahat ng generals natin ganun dba? hindi po bulok ang military natin. may kasabihan nga sa military to make do of what you have.

Honestly sa panahon ni marcos our military is one of the well equip armed forces in asia. But when cory aquino became the president dito nag start na hindi na binibigyan ng importansya ang psag bili ng bagong equipment. If you have a bunch of leftist advisers ganun na nga ang mangyayari sa military natin.

You sure? Think again:
BRP Rajah Humabon (PF-11)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/60/Philippine_Navy_PF-11_at_Balikatan_2010.jpg/800px-Philippine_Navy_PF-11_at_Balikatan_2010.jpg

The BRP Rajah Humabon (PF-11) is the current flagship, and the largest warship of the Philippine Navy. Also, she is the last Destroyer Escort/Frigate active in its fleet and is one of the oldest active warships in the world.

United States Navy
Commissioned in the US Navy as the USS Atherton (DE-169) in 1943, she was mostly assigned at the Atlantic theatre doing patrols and anti-submarine missions. She was credited of having destroyed a German U-boat, the U-853, in 9 May 1945. She served in the Pacific theatre in the middle of 1945 until she was decommissioned and put on reserves on 10 December 1945. With her service during World War II, she was awarded with one battle star.

BRP Quezon (PS-70)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1b/USS_Vigilance_1.jpg/800px-USS_Vigilance_1.jpg

The BRP Quezon (PS-70) is one of two Rizal class ships in service with the Philippine Navy. She is formerly an ex-USN Auk class minesweeper that were produced during World War II, and is now classified as a patrol corvette protecting the vast waters of the Philippines. Along with other ex-World War II veteran ships of the Philippine Navy, she is considered as one of the oldest active fighting ships in the world today.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRP_Rajah_Humabon_(PF-11)

The list goes on....:hilarious :hilarious

le Reine

June 23rd, 2010, 11:55 AM

^^Grabe hinakot ba natin ang oldest fleet category? :lol:

Christian_123

June 23rd, 2010, 12:28 PM

Isa pang pahabol :D

BRP Iloilo (PS-32)

BRP Iloilo (PS-32) is a Miguel Malvar-class corvette of the Philippine Navy. She was originally built as USS PCE-897, a PCE-842-class patrol craft for the United States Navy during World War II. She was decommissioned from the U.S. Navy and transferred to the Philippine Navy in July 1948 and renamed Iloilo after the Philippine province of the same name. The ship is in active service, as of 2010. Along with other World War II-era ships of the Philippine Navy, Iloilo is considered as one of the oldest active fighting ships in the world today.

Name: USS PCE-897
Builder: Willamette Iron and Steel Works, Portland, Oregon
Laid down: 16 December 1942
Launched: 3 August 1943
Commissioned: 6 January 1945
Fate: transferred to the Philippine Navy, July 1948

Oh god, world record na 'to :hilarious

Arvor

June 23rd, 2010, 03:05 PM

We should not think that in modern warfare a foreign enemy would actually need to occupy the Phillipines, it could simply mean firing missiles and dropping bombs from ships and planes on our CBD's, NAIA and DMIA bridges and infrastructures and a few submarines blockading shipping cutting off every island from each other and the world, a mere few hours of this would lead to massive and lasting chaos ..., theres absolutely no sense in occupying the Phillipines and becoming responsible for the welfare of all those millions of people .

At most an enemy would occupy outlying islands ( Spratleys, Corregidor ) after the initial attacks and if they need to go into the mainland a few strike teams delivered by helicopters can easily and quickly gain local superiority before our own military can get to the area and then leave when their task are done in which case the army is useless, the countries geographic situation more than our neighbours means that the country must always have the means of striking the enemies home and by preventing the threat before it reaches the homeland, this means more focus on a navy and air forces and their mobile forces such as marines and paratroopers, the army itself must become smaller but better equipped and more mobile .

The reason why the Americans had trouble with the Vietnamese and the Taleban is again due to politics, the Americans werent allowed to actually invade North Vietnam or enter Cambodgia and Laos oficially where the NVA had a series of supply and communication lines to the south, furthermore the North Vietnamese did come close to the brink due to the massive air bombardments of B52's, the Americans could win by simply dropping nukes aswell but it would be a war crime that cant be hidden from the world press and a possible response from the USSR so its not the case that they "could not win" it was a case of not being able to use every means due to politics.

The Taleban are mostly coming from Pakistan where the US is at most violating Pakistani sovereignty by hitting their leaders with predator drones and cruise missiles, they would have to declare war on Pakistan if they refused to help combating the Taleban on their side the Pakistanis however have acquiesed to preassure and moved on the Taleban in the tribal areas ..., Pakistan has already been warned btw that if they did not support the effort that they would get bombed into the stone age ... .

However these things are just a small part of modern warfare "the west" controls most of the underpinning structures of the modern world and modern warfare like the internet, and alot of the vital space based infrastructures such as comm satelites or even GPS service of which can be shut down, without gps or modern means of communications a targetted countries military will be unable to coordinate much, so true defence in the modern world is more than just men with machine guns or having planes and ships which themselves are quite complicated systems its also logistics, intelligence and communications, its a very sophisticated system with multiple components that needs to work togheter .

oreotm

June 23rd, 2010, 03:38 PM

i think one reason din kung bakit ndi matalo ng army ang mga rebelde because of politics. pag wala ng threat sa bansa due to these rebels the budget allocated for the military will be cut bigtime!

kalbongdad

June 23rd, 2010, 04:12 PM

Isa pang pahabol :D

BRP Iloilo (PS-32)

Oh god, world record na 'to :hilarious

meron din namang bago.....yung mga binili sa britain.....at spain yata...pero tatlo lang ata ang mga ito....

Arvor

June 23rd, 2010, 04:38 PM

The Future Soldier Systems

The next generation of soldiers will be more interconnected with the entire military system and will be better equipped they already have night vision and advance communications equipment but the new gears would be even more advanced, with smart uniforms that adds preassure on wounds preventing blood loss and sensors that transmit a soldiers health and even uniforms that change camoflage mimicking the surroundings, they will also have more drone equipments to help them in combat including weapons that help them fire from corners and even bullets that can be guided and technology that can see through walls of houses and buildings or anti projectile projectile shields that fire when a sensor detect an incoming projectile ... these are not sci fi btw they are technologies that are now in the prototype stage .

The Taleban are actually quite afraid of fighting in the open and now mainly fight through sniping suicide attacks and IED's because they know that they wont last long in open warfare, the most modern forces in the world are now starting to field test the next generation of equipments which would make individual soldiers even more effective than ever so that enemy forces unequipped with these modern systems would be like 3 yr old kids trying to fight an adult, it would become more like a video game like the game battlefield ( nice game btw im also arvor on the online games lol ) .

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Troops in Afghanistan Will See Through Walls in 2010

Soldiers can’t leap tall buildings in a single bound, yet. Seeing through walls — that’s a different story. Later this year, American troops fighting in Afghanistan will begin to get gadgets designed to peer inside buildings and detect the heartbeat of people buried under rubble. It’s not exactly Superman’s x-ray vision. But it’s not that far way from it, either.

These Eagle handheld scanners, which look “like a cross between a video game controller and an oversized cell phone,” according to Defense News, work by sending out low-power, wideband radio-frequency signals toward a target, and measuring how the signals bounce back. A signal coming from a person will return differently than one from dirt or concrete, which will return differently than a signal bouncing off of concrete a few feet further away.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/02/troops-in-astan-will-see-through-walls-in-2010/
Further reading.

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Electronic plaid fabrics < this ( below ) is similar to what the militaries are trying to develop for their future adaptive camouflage fabrics this is one step beyond digital pattern camo .

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Christian_123

June 24th, 2010, 01:13 AM

^^Knowing the AFP, siguro ay dadating din yan modern systems nayan sa atin after maging obsolete na sa ibang bansa :nuts:

Arvor

June 24th, 2010, 02:53 AM

lol its ok hopefully bumili sila ng advanced portable missiles in the meantime its the best way of leveling the playing field without costing too much .

bitoy

June 24th, 2010, 03:02 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/BRP_Artemio_Ricarte_PS37.jpg/220px-BRP_Artemio_Ricarte_PS37.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/BRP_Rajah_Humabon_%28PF_11%29.jpg/220px-BRP_Rajah_Humabon_%28PF_11%29.jpg

Huwag niyo apihin ang ating mga sasakyang dagat na pangdigma at meron pa silang silbi sa pagdaan ng mga panahon.

Puwede silang tourist attractions at kapitan ng talaba... :D

Christian_123

June 24th, 2010, 03:03 AM

^^Pwedeng pwede gawing tourist attraction ang ships ng Phil navy. Dahil tayo nalang ang meron pang active World war 2 veteran ships :lol:

william :D

June 24th, 2010, 03:47 AM

marxman

June 24th, 2010, 04:36 AM

Arvor

June 24th, 2010, 02:41 PM

Well the 3 ships of the type on the left are ok they are still relatively current built in the 80's if only under armed they could probably serve another 10 years in modern navies, but they are underarmed since they were only meant as local "patrol vessels" of the Royal Navy based in Hong Kong at the time, it should however be possible to add some missile systems on them like the mistral anti aircraft portable missiles its relatively cheap and its better than no air defence systems at all and perhaps a light anti ship missile .

Emilio Jacinto (PS-35)
Apolinario Mabini (PS-36)
Artemio Ricarte (PS-37)
Displacement: 763 tons full load
Length: 204.1 ft (62.6 m)
Speed: 25 knots
Range: 2,500 mi. at 17 knots
Crew: 6 officers + 25 enlisted
Armament:
1-76mm OTO Melara Compact DP
4-FN 7.62mm machine guns

Notes:
Commisioned in Royal Navy service in 1984 and formed the RN's Hong Kong squadron. These ships were constructed by the British with instructions to "sell by 1997". During trials the lead ship rolled badly in high seas. The design was revised and deeper keels were incorporated. Turned over to Philippines in 1997 after Hong Kong reverted back to China. Purchase price was US $20 million for all three. Two others operated by the Irish Republic Navy. All plans for the Peacock-class, along with intellectual property rights given to the Philippine government. Carry 2- 40 knot fast pursuit craft. Anti-ship missiles to be fitted in due course.
http://www.timawa.net/pn.htm

This could actually be interesting if it is the case that all the plans and intellectual property rights have been handed over this means that we can completely reproduce the Peacock class or a larger modified version without legal hassles, these ships arent too large so that shipyard in Cebu could probably be capable of building them of course with importing engines and weapons and systems, if by Hanjin they will probably simply propose one of their own existing corvette design similar to that recently sunk S Korean navy corvette "Cheonan" of the Pohang class which are about twice the size and more heavily armed .

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/rok/images/pohang_corv-2.gif
Pohang class

Kintoy

June 24th, 2010, 03:25 PM

Nanflexal

June 24th, 2010, 03:56 PM

matatakot mga kalaban natin dyan kasi malayo pa lang, mate-tetano na sila :cheers:

OMG, bago makarating sa position ng kalaban. nasira na makina nyan hehehe. as usual bonus stage sa kalaban.

p@tang inang arm foces yan.

Christian_123

June 25th, 2010, 01:12 AM

matatakot mga kalaban natin dyan kasi malayo pa lang, mate-tetano na sila :cheers:

Kung makakaalis pa sya ng port. Dati nga may binalita na Phil navy ship na tumirik dahil nawalan ng Diesel :nuts:

pi_malejana

June 25th, 2010, 07:30 AM

ahhm, upgraded din po ang mga armaments ng mga iyan...

tsaka nagkaroon din ng overhaul ang rajah humabon--nuong panahon ni Cory..:D:nuts:

johnmizer

June 25th, 2010, 10:34 AM

ang vietnam may submarine na eh...

Kintoy

June 25th, 2010, 11:07 AM

bitoy

June 25th, 2010, 11:39 AM

hindi nyo alam, mga Transformers yan in disguise.

:lol: Pag pinagdikit dikit lahat ng mga barko ng Pinas, maging Aircraft Carrier, yung mga carrier jets, inoorder pa... malapit na maluto.

kalbongdad

June 25th, 2010, 02:08 PM

i think if only those sarcasm can be turned into cash ang dami na nating nabiling barko at eroplano....:ohno: kayo ba nagbabayad ng tamang buwis....?:)

bitoy

June 25th, 2010, 02:57 PM

http://manila.usembassy.gov/wwwju161.jpg

Maganda naman tingnan pag meron kasabay na 3 US Navy Ships, parang armada na lulusob sa giyera. :D

william :D

June 25th, 2010, 03:12 PM

http://manila.usembassy.gov/wwwju161.jpg

Maganda naman tingnan pag meron kasabay na 3 US Navy Ships, parang armada na lulusob sa giyera. :D

onga no...alin sya jan yung asa gitna??

bitoy

June 25th, 2010, 03:30 PM

^^ Yung dalawa sa harapan ang Philippine Navy ships : BRP Rizal (PS-74) and BRP Emilio Jacinto (PS-35) ... I think?

Nanflexal

June 25th, 2010, 06:58 PM

tapos bago nakarating sa patutuguhan, nasira ng makita na. amp. anong klasing Arm forces mayron ang pilipinas.

boom_box

June 25th, 2010, 07:27 PM

OFF TOPIC:

Noynoy, Bangit, and insulting the military (http://antipinoy.com/noynoy-bangit-and-insulting-the-military/#comment-16611)

One word for Noy: "Paranoid" sa kudeta...

BTW, Yellow's Camp spinning doctors did their job for making fantasy stories before the election... (GMA term extension.. people power pag talo... blah blah blah..)

But Gen. Bangit handled it with professionalism instead of meddling along with F**ked up politicking in this country...

Read the article...

bitoy

June 25th, 2010, 08:47 PM

^^ ?? What ?? :lol: you guys are still bitter?

Bangit, a senior aide de camp of then Vice President Arroyo, was chief of the Presidential Security Group during three coup attempts mounted against her after she became Chief Executive.

Subsequently appointed chief of the AFP Intelligence Service, Bangit came under fire in 2006 for a lavish Christmas party where he strewed peso bills amid chants of “Long live the Emperor!”

Walang makuhang kakampi kamo si Bangit sa military kaya napilitan siyang mag retire. :lol:

Nanakot pa nga siya bago mag retire... :D

william :D

June 26th, 2010, 03:31 AM

^^ Yung dalawa sa harapan ang Philippine Navy ships : BRP Rizal (PS-74) and BRP Emilio Jacinto (PS-35) ... I think?

ahh..yung dalawang maliit?
-ang tapang nila tingnan.

Ecija

June 26th, 2010, 04:20 AM

^^Syempre may kasamang import eh:lol:

william :D

June 26th, 2010, 04:31 AM

^^Syempre may kasamang import eh:lol:

mas matapang tingnan yung import mas malaki barko nila.:lol::lol:

Christian_123

June 26th, 2010, 04:50 AM

^^Sa kanila ay either nuclear powered na or modern na un diesel engines. Habang un sa atin ay meron paring smoke funnels para sa backup COAL engines nya incase mawalan ng gasolina :lol:

Brown Tiger

June 26th, 2010, 06:18 AM

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/viet-1.jpg

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/viet2.jpg

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/viet3.jpg

AND MY WISH TO PRESIDENT ELECT NOYNOY AQUINO... TO HONOR HIS GREAT FATHER.... ( BAKA PWEDE NA UMPISAHAN PAG-IPUNAN ITO)

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/brpninoy.jpg

kenken94

June 26th, 2010, 07:02 AM

^ Ang tagal pa ng 2030 ha........... sa laki ng Pilipinas ngayon mas kailangan natin ng mas malakas na Militar.

william :D

June 26th, 2010, 07:19 AM

^ Ang tagal pa ng 2030 ha........... sa laki ng Pilipinas ngayon mas kailangan natin ng mas malakas na Militar.

kunsabagay mas kelangan natin ang malakas na militar kesa sa barkong nagdadala ng eroplano..

Ma^ride

June 26th, 2010, 09:11 AM

johnmizer

June 26th, 2010, 09:49 AM

wtf, bakit ba mas magaganda equipments ng viets???

higen

June 26th, 2010, 10:00 AM

^^ ?? What ?? :lol: you guys are still bitter?

Walang makuhang kakampi kamo si Bangit sa military kaya napilitan siyang mag retire. :lol:

Nanakot pa nga siya bago mag retire... :D

Tugang...yan ka na naman :lol:

Rajah_Soliman

June 26th, 2010, 10:19 AM

kalbongdad

June 26th, 2010, 10:46 AM

bakit di na lang gawing mga museum ang mga antique na yan, baka pedeng pang fund raising ( para ibili ng bagong pn warships :bash: ) :lol:

good idea....

kalbongdad

June 26th, 2010, 10:50 AM

bakit di na lang gawing mga museum ang mga antique na yan, baka pedeng pang fund raising ( para ibili ng bagong pn warships :bash: ) :lol:

yung pic sa kaliwa....bago pa yan.....yung sa kanan lang ang antique....

Kintoy

June 26th, 2010, 10:59 AM

wtf, bakit ba mas magaganda equipments ng viets???

2009 Defense Spending, in US$

25 Singapore 7,966,000,000

32 Indonesia 4,908,000,000

33 Thailand 4,908,000,000

40 Malaysia 4,078,000,000

53 Vietnam 2,073,000,000

64 Philippines 1,424,000,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

Christian_123

June 26th, 2010, 11:27 AM

AND MY WISH TO PRESIDENT ELECT NOYNOY AQUINO... TO HONOR HIS GREAT FATHER.... ( BAKA PWEDE NA UMPISAHAN PAG-IPUNAN ITO)

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/brpninoy.jpg

Reminds me of this:
Philippine Navy Purchases P217 Billion American Supercarrier

http://technogra.ph/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/brp-gloria-macapagal-arroyo.jpg

Tired of the poor state of naval technology in the Philippines, our Navy recently procured the USS George H. W. Bush for P217 billion. The American-built supercarrier, named after the 41st president of the United States, has a displacement of 97,000 tons, and can sail over 2,000 aircraft literally anywhere in the world.

Speaking under the condition of anonymity, a senior Philippine Navy official revealed that the deal was made possible by the current economic recession. Eager to dispose of the warship, which is costly to maintain, US officials agreed to a 100-year payment plan, as well as the necessary training needed to properly staff the ship.

The official was less excited when our conversation turned to more practical questions, such as “Who will escort our new flagship?” and “Where will we get all the aircraft to fill it up?”. Keeping mostly mum about acquiring aircraft for the carrier, the official did admit that our former flagship, the BRP Rajah Humabon, would serve as primary escort.

And the name? Our source revealed that top Navy brass is still discussing that, but it seems a leading candidate is the BRP Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo. Under discussion is also who will be the captain for the supercarrier’s first stint under the Philippine flag.

Eat that President Noynoy :lol: :hilarious

marxman

June 26th, 2010, 11:34 AM

i think if only those sarcasm can be turned into cash ang dami na nating nabiling barko at eroplano....:ohno: kayo ba nagbabayad ng tamang buwis....?:)

yep... im paying my taxes... automatic un kada sweldo...

kalbongdad

June 26th, 2010, 02:46 PM

good for you then.....you have all the right to complain....:lol:

Nanflexal

June 26th, 2010, 03:47 PM

Philippine Navy Purchases P217 Billion American Supercarrier

Tired of the poor state of naval technology in the Philippines, our Navy recently procured the USS George H. W. Bush for P217 billion. The American-built supercarrier, named after the 41st president of the United States, has a displacement of 97,000 tons, and can sail over 2,000 aircraft literally anywhere in the world.

Speaking under the condition of anonymity, a senior Philippine Navy official revealed that the deal was made possible by the current economic recession. Eager to dispose of the warship, which is costly to maintain, US officials agreed to a 100-year payment plan, as well as the necessary training needed to properly staff the ship.

The official was less excited when our conversation turned to more practical questions, such as “Who will escort our new flagship?” and “Where will we get all the aircraft to fill it up?”. Keeping mostly mum about acquiring aircraft for the carrier, the official did admit that our former flagship, the BRP Rajah Humabon, would serve as primary escort.

And the name? Our source revealed that top Navy brass is still discussing that, but it seems a leading candidate is the BRP Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo. Under discussion is also who will be the captain for the supercarrier’s first stint under the Philippine flag.

this is not true.

we don't $$$$$ to maintain this Supercarrier, we don't have fighter jet. Supercarrier pa kaya.

Ecija

June 26th, 2010, 04:14 PM

Mas practical talaga na mga chopper lang muna ang bilhin ng AFP...Kasi ang mga chopper magagamit natin sa mga rescue mission at sa shipment ng relief goods sa panahon ng calamity na almost yearly nating nararanasan.:)

"ZukiChirO"

June 26th, 2010, 04:24 PM

hahahaha epupurchase nila ang USS George H. W. Bush with the amount of P217 billion???...
pondo na ata to ng Deped..hehehe

taz anong ipapark dyan sa ship?...OV10 at nomad?.hahaha

Nanflexal

June 26th, 2010, 04:30 PM

hahahaha epupurchase nila ang USS George H. W. Bush with the amount of P217 billion???...
pondo na ata to ng Deped..hehehe

taz anong ipapark dyan sa ship?...OV10 at nomad?.hahaha

mga World I era na fighter plane yata. dapat kasama si GMA at FJ sa eroplano para pag nag crash ok na.

Christian_123

June 26th, 2010, 05:54 PM

this is not true.

we don't $$$$$ to maintain this Supercarrier, we don't have fighter jet. Supercarrier pa kaya.

This is only a fake news that was posted on April 1st last year :lol:

Source: http://technogra.ph/2009/04/01/philippine-navy-purchases-p217-billion-american-supercarrier/

:D

gaLj

June 26th, 2010, 08:43 PM

sana mga sukhoi 30/35 variants nalang bilin natin kaysa sa US made aircrafts na madalas old/outdated hardwares ang inooffer satin or mahal na ang maintenance kaya for disposal na

Ady001

June 26th, 2010, 09:03 PM

yep... im paying my taxes... automatic un kada sweldo...

Single ako kaya malaki sa akin...

I would love to pay more if I see better infra rather than morons milking our tax pesos and convert it to useless blather in the senate and congress.

Ady001

June 26th, 2010, 09:09 PM

A bit old...

The Technology of the Philippine Navy

By Rico, 5:05 am Fri Feb 29 2008 - Editorial - 11 Opinions
http://technogra.ph/2008/02/29/the-technology-of-the-philippine-navy/

Want to know more about the technology that drives the Philippine Navy? Technograph recently spoke to a couple of officers from the armed service. What emerged was a picture of hilariously deplorable conditions.
BRP stands for Barko ng Republika ng Pilipinas or Ship of the Republic of the Philippines in English

As related by our sources, the flagship of the Philippine Navy is the BRP Rajah Humabon (PF-11), an escort destroyer of the Cannon class (pictured above) that was commissioned in the US way back in 1943. A visiting American naval officer actually said that her sister ship was already on display in a museum! Obviously, the Rajah Humabon’s technology was state-of-the-art during World War II. Now however, our seamen have to participate in naval exercises where they have to rely on manual fire control, compared to the computer-driven mechanisms of their American and Malaysian counterparts.

Hueybravo.net has more information on the BRP Rajah Humabon, and its history as the USS Atherton and JMSDF Hatsushi.

On said gunnery exercise, firing the guns would actually rattle the rust off the bulkheads. And in one particularly notable case, caused both electric generators of the ship to fail, leading to a blackout. Modern amenities are available, such as air-conditioning. The problem is that the luxury only reaches certain partsof the ship, and has a faulty control system. One of the officers had to sleep in a room that was frosting from the extreme cold. On another ship, the budget for food is a mere Php 40 ($1) per head for all three meals. Most alarming was the story that sailing through a typhoon was a “near-death experience.”

Despite these however, our naval officers manage. On the aforementioned naval exercise, our men actually performed well, hitting the dummy target before their “competitors” were able to do so. It’s obvious that the Philippine Navy has no chance of beating back an invasion force. But it still serves a useful role, patrolling our inner seas to keep them safe.

Hopefully, the AFP modernization program will keep practical possibilities in mind, and focus on acquiring what our men at sea can make full use of. We at Technograph were left with the impression that our Navy does well with their tremendously limited resources. Imagine what would happen if they had better equipment at their disposal.

Nanflexal

June 27th, 2010, 12:07 AM

kung wala lang sana corruption sa AFP, pwedi tayo mag fund raising to buy equipment for AFP. ang problema kahit ako wala narin tiwala sa AFP natin kasi mga corrupt na general ang nandon.

pa golf golf nalang tapos, uuwe ng walang ginawa kundi mag-waldas ng pera ng taong bayan.

NaglatagawK0

June 27th, 2010, 01:15 AM

^^ ?? What ?? :lol: you guys are still bitter?

Walang makuhang kakampi kamo si Bangit sa military kaya napilitan siyang mag retire. :lol:

Nanakot pa nga siya bago mag retire... :D

Actually marami ring supporter si Bangit let's just give the General his due for being professional enough to step down not unlike the newly elect P-noy which hasn't shown enough professionalism in dealing with this PGMA appointed officials. Hope he won't make the same mistake that his mother did to the military baka may coup na naman.

NaglatagawK0

June 27th, 2010, 01:18 AM

sana mga sukhoi 30/35 variants nalang bilin natin kaysa sa US made aircrafts na madalas old/outdated hardwares ang inooffer satin or mahal na ang maintenance kaya for disposal na

Actually i also like the sukhoi from Russia what i could not understand with our military is their love for US made weapons :bash: Hopefully the purchase of the choppers from other country would be the start of AFP purchasing more weapons from other countries like Russia, Israel, Korea and etc...

bitoy

June 27th, 2010, 01:44 AM

Actually marami ring supporter si Bangit let's just give the General his due for being professional enough to step down not unlike the newly elect P-noy which hasn't shown enough professionalism in dealing with this PGMA appointed officials. Hope he won't make the same mistake that his mother did to the military baka may coup na naman.

If professionalism is just your point, Gen. Bangit should not have accepted the midnight appointment as Chief of staff out of courtesy to more senior officers ahead of him and more qualified for that job that would be appointed by the next administration. And where was the commission of appointments when they are needed?
We are glad that Gen. Bangit would not be able to duplicate his throwing of P100-P500 bills during a lavishly party when he was the ISAFP chief.

mwg12a

June 27th, 2010, 02:06 AM

AND MY WISH TO PRESIDENT ELECT NOYNOY AQUINO... TO HONOR HIS GREAT FATHER.... ( BAKA PWEDE NA UMPISAHAN PAG-IPUNAN ITO)

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/brpninoy.jpg

Ano naman ang gagawain ng Pinas sa aircraft carrier na ganitong kalaki? Para naman kayang mang invade ng pinas ng ibang bansa. LOL:lol::lol:

mwg12a

June 27th, 2010, 02:09 AM

wtf, bakit ba mas magaganda equipments ng viets???

katatapos lang nila sa guera, nag rerecover agad ang economy nila.

bitoy

June 27th, 2010, 02:09 AM

Ano naman ang gagawain ng Pinas sa aircraft carrier na ganitong kalaki? Para naman kayang mang invade ng pinas ng ibang bansa. LOL:lol::lol:

Puwedeng gawin ng Philippine Navy yan as floating barracks... 5,000 na navy at marines ang puwedeng tumira diyan with their families, akyat lang sila sa bubong, nasa airport na sila. :lol:

mwg12a

June 27th, 2010, 02:18 AM

^^^ Oo nga ano? May aircraft carrier na para dalawang helecopter may pa-housing pa sa mga sundalo!

Mas practical talaga na mga chopper lang muna ang bilhin ng AFP...Kasi ang mga chopper magagamit natin sa mga rescue mission at sa shipment ng relief goods sa panahon ng calamity na almost yearly nating nararanasan.:)
Kailangan din naman siguro ng atleast 4 o 5 na fighter jets kahit mid class level lang para sa reconnaissance para lalo na sa karagatan sa mindanao na puedeng pasukin ng mga terrorista o rebelde. Puede din yan sa rescue effort sila ang puede na mata para sa mga back up ng rescue teams, reconnaissance nga e, diba?

TheAvenger

June 27th, 2010, 02:27 AM

.

(The below posting is courtesy of a friend of mine in Facebook,
Ms Cristina Ulis)

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz203/crisostomosantos33/1neverforget.jpg

The plane in these pictures is still officially the 'Air Vehicle Number 1', a prototype, on board the USS George Washington CVN-73 for catapult fit checks. Not exactly still Top Secret but certainly not yet made public.

It will be known as the F/A-37. Although specs are classified, it is believed to be Mach 3.5 (top speed in the
Mach 4 range) super-cruise stealth fighter/bomber/interceptor with approximately a 4,000nm range. Awesome!

Check out the Navy test pilot in the cockpit of the F/A-37...LT Kara Wade.

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz203/crisostomosantos33/2neverforget.jpg

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz203/crisostomosantos33/3neverforget.jpg

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz203/crisostomosantos33/4neverforget.jpg

For the first time in over 20 some odd years, three carrier strike groups
got together in formation for a great photo op.

From top to bottom are the aircraft carriers, ABRAHAM LINCOLN,
KITTY HAWK and RONALD REAGAN.

We even had Air Force planes fly-over, see the B-2 Stealth Bomber
in the fifth & seventh picture down. The only warships not seen in the
photos are the 4 nuclear powered submarines standing guard.

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz203/crisostomosantos33/5neverforget.jpg

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz203/crisostomosantos33/6neverforget.jpg

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz203/crisostomosantos33/7neverforget.jpg

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz203/crisostomosantos33/8neverforget.jpg

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz203/crisostomosantos33/9neverforget.jpg

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz203/crisostomosantos33/10neverforget.jpg

And now:

GREAT NEW PHOTOS!

Here SHE is!

NOTICE....

the two twin towers on top

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz203/crisostomosantos33/12neverforget.jpg

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz203/crisostomosantos33/13neverforget.jpg

Here SHE is,

THE USS NEW YORK, made from the WORLD TRADE CENTER !

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz203/crisostomosantos33/14neverforget.jpg

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz203/crisostomosantos33/15neverforget.jpg

USS New York... It was built with 24 tons of scrap steel from the
World Trade Center .
It is the fifth in a new class of warship - designed for missions that include special operations against terrorists. It will carry a crew of 360 sailors and 700 combat-ready Marines to be delivered ashore by helicopters and assault craft.
Steel from the World Trade Center was melted down in a foundry in Amite , LA to cast the ship's bow section. When it was poured into the molds on Sept 9, 2003, 'those big rough steelworkers treated it with total reverence,' recalled Navy Capt. Kevin Wensing, who was there.

'IT WAS A SPIRITUAL MOMENT FOR EVERYBODY THERE.'

Junior Chavers, foundry operations manager, said that when the trade center steel first arrived, he touched it with his hand and the 'hair on my neck stood up.'
'It had a big meaning to it for all of us,' he said. 'They knocked us down. They can't keep us down. We're going to be back.'
The Ship's Motto? 'NEVER FORGET'

NOTE :

After 30 to 40 years or in the year 2040 - 2050 the U.S. government may donate to the Philippine government those above mentioned military planes and naval ships.

bitoy

June 27th, 2010, 02:33 AM

^^^ Oo nga ano? May aircraft carrier na para dalawang helecopter may pa-housing pa sa mga sundalo!

:lol: ang mahal na floating barracks niyan.

I remember that politician who suggested to buy 2 ageing Russian Nuclear subs to be used as power plant to generate electricity. :D

Kailangan din naman siguro ng atleast 4 o 5 na fighter jets kahit mid class level lang para sa reconnaissance para lalo na sa karagatan sa mindanao na puedeng pasukin ng mga terrorista o rebelde. Puede din yan sa rescue effort sila ang puede na mata para sa mga back up ng rescue teams, reconnaissance nga e, diba?

I think, priority talaga yung mga iba ibang klaseng helicopters and transport/cargo planes, more C-130s are much needed.

Arvor

June 27th, 2010, 02:33 AM

The plane in these pictures is still officially the 'Air Vehicle Number 1', a prototype, on board the USS George Washington CVN-73 for catapult fit checks. Not exactly still Top Secret but certainly not yet made public.

I hope that this was meant as a prank or joke, anyway for those who dont know that plane was featured in the sci fi movie stealth in reality it was just a prop mockup for the film or existed solely as a 3d animated special effect it is in no way even a "prototype" .

NaglatagawK0

June 27th, 2010, 02:35 AM

Baka di lang aircraft carrier kelangan pagipunan natin, you need i think a strike group and need to consider defending the mother ship by purchasing destroyers, frigates on this case, one or two attack submarines (for seeking out and destroying hostile surface ships and submarines), and an ammunition, oiler, and supply ship. :nuts:

i think we need to consider if we really need this equipments like aircraft carrier and submarines. Yes we need to modernize our armed forces but we need to buy the equipment that we really needed. Due to budget considerations we need to be smart to choose the equipment that our military presently needs and everything follows if and when we have enough money to buy this big toys :banana:

1. first we need to defeat the insurgency within our country so what do our military need and what do our government needs to do on economic side that would entice people to give up insurgency.

a. choppers
b. military trucks that would ensure the safety of our men in the battle field
c. tanks
d. planes
e. military ships likes hospital, destroyer and etc.
f. good infractructure
g. more jobs
h. a strong economy

and many more

2. After we have defeated the insurgency problems within our country thats the time we buy those equipments to provide us internal security against foreign invaders.

a. submarines
b. fighter planes
c. frigates
d. destroyers
e. sam (surface to air missile)
f. aircraft carrier? maybe but who needs an aircraft carrier if you have thousands of island that would serve us our aircraft carrier :)

3. Maintenance of this equipment and continue buying of new equipment to be able to sustain this program.

1. Do not vote for a President who ignores his armed forces (hmmm i can think of cory aquino as one good example)
2. Help the goverment fight corruption and continue to support it (there is no country that have irradicated corruption so lets be realist ok)

bitoy

June 27th, 2010, 02:45 AM

TheAvenger

June 27th, 2010, 02:47 AM

:lol: Napanood mo rin pala yung movie na STEALTH.... :D

Those scenes are from that movie with the fictional F/A-37 Talon single-seat fighter aircraft of the U.S. Navy.

And btw, Lt. Kara Wade was Jessica Beal on that movie.

Yung top secret nuon na hindi na secret is the (SR-91 Aurora) , which most likely has been cancelled since there is a new eye in the sky that was put in place recently.

ganuon ba. akala ko naka scoop ako........

mwg12a

June 27th, 2010, 02:50 AM

1. Do not vote for a President who ignores his armed forces (hmmm i can think of cory aquino as one good example)
2. Help the goverment fight corruption and continue to support it (there is no country that have irradicated corruption so lets be realist ok)

This is where we would think that Gibo would be the man for this job. Honestly, if we have a strong military capability with disciplined, dedicated and corrupt free military. It would help the country eliminate insurgency and when the insurgents are well controlled, it means safe society and when you have a safe society, it will lead to a much more improved economy. With Noynoy, I don't think the idea of a strong military is very remote. He doesn't strike me as a strong person with a strong personality. Not that I am really thinking he is gay or whatever but his biggest influence in life seems to all this sisters and his mother and not so much about his father. Is he the only son? He seems to be very sheltered growing up. Just my own opinion.

ganuon ba. akala ko naka scoop ako........

:lol: :lol: Naisahan ka ng internet source mo ano?

bitoy

June 27th, 2010, 02:51 AM

ganuon ba. akala ko naka scoop ako........

:lol: ... alam mo naman yun, gusto mo lang utuin yung nag post ng Aircraft Carrier.... meron nga F-18 na Philippine Air Force insignia, ang daming sumakay. Pati yung mga Philippine Marines na tumalon sa blackhawk choppers during their training.... pati ako bumilib, hiniram lang pala galing Okinawa. :D

TheAvenger

June 27th, 2010, 02:57 AM

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz203/crisostomosantos33/restrepo.jpg

http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/player/movies/restrepo/restrepo-trailer.html

Nanflexal

June 27th, 2010, 08:31 AM

Alam nyo kung may private army ka with missile frigate kaya mo banga-in yon AFP. naka focus sila sa corruption kaya walang matinong naiisip to improve country internal and external defense.

can't provide support to ground troop during night fight WTF, Napaka high-tech ng gamit namin WORLD 1 & II era at kusang bumabag-sak kahit walang kalaban. that's awesome.

Nanflexal

June 27th, 2010, 08:35 AM

johnmizer

June 27th, 2010, 08:59 AM

^trip lng nila hahha

kalbongdad

June 27th, 2010, 09:49 AM

by that time.....first world na pinas.....kaya na natin bumili nya....baka mauna pa tayo makapunta sa buwan...sa mga indians, japs, padala lang natin mga manananggal....natin...

mrboy

June 27th, 2010, 12:20 PM

Saan aataki? just show of force. amp durog aabutin ng kalaban nito.

wala sila ibang magawa... mamasyal na lng sa karagatan. :lol:

Christian_123

June 27th, 2010, 12:34 PM

^^Nuclear powered naman ang aircraft carriers at 6 to 7 months naman ang supply nila kaya wala silang problema mamasyal (sa subic) :lol:

Brown Tiger

June 27th, 2010, 03:37 PM

OLD PAF F5 JET NOW ON DISPLAY AT AIRFORCE MUSEUM

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/F5.jpg

CURRENT FRONTLINE DEFENSE JET OF THE PAF THE S211

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/S211.jpg

mwg12a

June 27th, 2010, 10:26 PM

so meron talaga na ngayon ang pinas ng S211? Atleast hindi yuong toratora na may mga profellers pa na panahon ng hapon pa.

marxman

June 28th, 2010, 07:29 AM

CURRENT FRONTLINE DEFENSE JET OF THE PAF THE S211

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/S211.jpg

npaka menacing tingnan... hehe...

kalbongdad

June 29th, 2010, 04:11 PM

so meron talaga na ngayon ang pinas ng S211? Atleast hindi yuong toratora na may mga profellers pa na panahon ng hapon pa.

sobra kayo.....matagal na tayong meron nyan....actually dapat ng palitan nyan dahil matagal na yan....may mga bumabagsak na......yung mga tora-tora....lahat ng air force meron mga ganun.....mga trainer planes yun.....dito sa atin....ni ri refit lang para magamit na pang anti insurgency....ganun ka resourceful ang pinoy....

mwg12a

June 30th, 2010, 03:18 AM

"ZukiChirO"

June 30th, 2010, 07:52 AM

8 OV-10 Bronco planes and 3 MD-520 attack helicopters at the tarmac of Zamboanga International Airport Air Force Base (@ Edwin Adrews Air Base - Zamboanga City).

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t93/bermudez_08/Visit%20Zamboanga%20City/IMG_1119.jpg

bitoy

June 30th, 2010, 08:03 AM

^^ Are all the Broncos still flying?

"ZukiChirO"

June 30th, 2010, 08:07 AM

^^ Are all the Broncos still flying?

yup!!!...ginagamit parin cla....i'm not sure if ung 530th tactical wings ng EAAB sa zambo ang humahawak ng mga OV 10 nayan at limang MD...na naka assign d2 sa zambo

xzibit31

June 30th, 2010, 11:03 AM

yup!!!...ginagamit parin cla....i'm not sure if ung 530th tactical wings ng EAAB sa zambo ang humahawak ng mga OV 10 nayan at limang MD...na naka assign d2 sa zambo

2 ov-10's, 2 md-520's, 5 hueys ang naka station sa TOG 11 (tactical Operations Group 11) at Davao International Airport. (TOG 11 is the most active air force unit in mindanao)

2 ov-10's, 2 hueys naka station sa TOG 10 based in Lumbia Airport.

so i guess the rest are stationed at Andrews sa Zambo.

ps. the picture above is probably old. notice the props of the ov-10's. it was upgraded to 4 blades from 3 blades a few years ago.

Brown Tiger

June 30th, 2010, 02:20 PM

New Defense chief to expedite AFP modernization GMANews.TV

Fast-tracking the long delayed modernization of the Philippine military will be among the priorities of new Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin.

“I would look at the modernization program. Why it is taking so much time. We will speed it up and make sure that all the equipment necessary to modernize our Armed Forces will be delivered soonest," Gazmin said on Wednesday.

Gazmin, a retired Army chief, said he is going to look into the problems regarding the implementation of the 15-year-old program, which started in 1995 with the passage of the Armed Forces of the Philippines Modernization Act.

The P350-billion modernization program, funded mainly through government appropriations, was divided into three stages: the procurement of equipment needed to address internal security threats, the procurement of armaments as the military transition to external defense, and the external defense proper.

The first stage was to be implemented from 2004 up to this year, the second from 2010 to 2016, and the third from 2016 to 2022.

“We really have to sit down with the planners of this [modernization program] and see what we can do. I guess we should go beyond the program itself and involve other sectors so that we can get the resources much needed to modernize our Armed Forces," Gazmin said.

Gazmin said President Benigno “Noynoy" Aquino III, who took his oath of office Wednesday, has instructed him to “put things in order" at the department within his first 100 days in office.

“We will have to sit down and assess our problems and get into the bottom of all the problems so we can find solutions to all the problems," he said.

Gazmin also said he is supporting peace negotiations with communist and secessionist rebels.

“First thing is to sit down and talk, thresh out the problems see what we can do, what are doable so that there will be peaceful negotiations and peaceful solutions...Everything will be based on our law and our Constitution," he said. - KBK, GMANews.TV[/B][/COLOR]

- Tongpats is the Answer for the Delay....

kalbongdad

June 30th, 2010, 03:48 PM

^^^ Sino ba ang may sabi sa iyo na iiniisip ko ganyan. Bihira na rin ngayon ang gumagamit ng toratora para sa training dahil may mga modernong trainer aircrafts na. Pang demo lang ang toratora. Sabi ko lang atleast hindi yuong world war 2 aircrafts asng ginagamit pa. Just to be sarcastic and funny.

Teka, mukhang walang nakakabit na ammunition duon sa S211 na yan, paano magagamit para sa defense yan? May tirador na hawak ang mga piloto??LMAO

yang s211 yan din ang jet trainers natin....meron kasi yan iba ibang version...may attack at may trainer...ang kulang lang natin ngayon ay yung medyo mas modern pa dyan......makabili lang tayo ng mga french or british planes ok na tayo...wag na tayo umasa sa kano....nde sila dependable na ally.....mas pinapaboran nila ang mga matigas ang ulo yung mga kaibigan nila...binabalewala kasi kaibigan na.....one thing na notice ko sa inauguration ni pinoy....angat ang mga singkit....jejejeje nag dragon dance pa....naisahan ang mga kano.....if that is any indication....tuloy ang policy ni gma na makipagkaibigan pa lalo sa mga singkit...:lol:

Mynameischarlie

July 2nd, 2010, 09:45 PM

The best thing for the AFP is when the USA withdraws from the Mutual Defence Treaty. This would be surely a wakeup call for the government/upper-class of the Phillipines.

Their only choice is to lead the Phillipines towards a more agressive growth-path, which can substain a higher pace of modernization of the country/AFP OR expect Chinese adventurism.

It is quite pathetic to see that VN -smaller economy - can afford more "Gucci-gear" for its' army/navy/air-force then the Phillipines.

You Pinoys can not let us - Viets - alone against the Chinese.....

TheAvenger

July 3rd, 2010, 12:09 AM

I have just seen this topic in the Philippine Defense Forum about a Taiwanese University professor
floating an idea in their Newspaper that the Philippine's northermost islands of Batanes belongs to Taiwan.

It's one step for China and Chinese Taiwan in their centuries-old wish to control and annex most of their neighboring island like the Paracels which they forcibly taken from Vietnam, other islands in Spratly Group. the Senkaku island of Okinawa Japan, and now the latest the Peoples Republic of China through Taiwan is starting to eye Batanes islands as their next target for their neo-imperialist
policy of annexing their neighbor's territory.

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By Chen Hurng-yu 陳鴻瑜
Sunday, Dec 23, 2007, Page 8

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2007/12/23/2003393815

The Batanes Islands, controlled by the Philippines, are a territorial problem left over from the colonial period. When Spain and the US signed the Treaty of Paris in 1898, the islands were not adequately addressed and this led to irresolution.
Taiwan challenges the Philippines' possession of the Batanes Islands for the same reasons that it challenges Manila's claim to the Spratly Islands.

Territorial issues should be discussed on a case-by-case basis. It is necessary to look at the issue of the Batanes Islands based upon international conventions rather than conjecture.

Philippine commentators say that Taiwan is not a sovereign state and therefore cannot claim territory controlled by Manila.

This point of view is hardly worth discussing. Diplomatic relations between Taiwan and the Philippines lasted until 1975. Although the two states have not maintained official diplomatic relations, this is not evidence of whether Taiwan is a nation or not. Anyone even vaguely familiar with international law should understand this. Non-recognition of another state does not affect its status; the Philippines has no authority to decide whether Taiwan is a country.

Philippine citizens require visas issued by the Taiwanese government to work or travel in Taiwan, which is in itself proof of Taiwan's sovereignty.

Philippine academic Carlos Agustin believes that a seaway treaty signed by Taiwan and the Philippines constitutes recognition of the Philippine territory.

This argument has many flaws: The treaty, signed in July 1991 -- not 1993, as Agustin believes -- concerns Taiwanese fishing boats traveling through two Philippine seaways, not border issues between the two states. Furthermore, the Philippine government does not consider the treaty to be an agreement between states, but defines it as a conference record and abolished part of it in 1998.

Another Philippine academic, Pervagus, suggests that Section 4 of the UN Convention on the Law of the Seas (UNCLOS) justifies the Philippines' possession of the Batanes Islands. But section 4 of UNCLOS concerns archipelagic states only and the Philippines does not qualify.

He also says Japan and Taiwan never occupied or controlled the Batanes Islands, whereas the US did. This argument is based on military occupation and not on international treaties. If we must choose between occupation and treaties to base our borders on, treaties should win.

International law and its implementation supports the regulations of international treaties and opposes military occupation.

Apolonio Anota presents a similar argument. Because the Philippine government holds congressional elections on the Batanes Islands, Manila clearly controls the territory, he says. The people on the islands choose to be citizens of the Republic of the Philippines by complying with its laws, participating in its national elections and identifying themselves as Philippine, he says.

Anota is completely ignoring the fact that the US violated the 1898 treaty.

Another Philippine commentator has argued that the Ivatans of the islands were claimed by Spain in 1782, which is dubious. Although Spain claimed the main island of the Batanes, Basco, in 1782, it did not set up administrative centers on the islands because of their remoteness and the strong northerly winter winds that made life on the islands difficult.

Only a few missionaries lived on the Batanes and Babuyan islands, while the Spanish colonial administration was located at the northern harbor of Aparri on Luzon. In other words, Spain never exercised administrative control over the Batanes Islands before the US took over the Philippines.

Jay Batongbacal, a lawyer, argues that Spain ruled the Batanes Islands starting in 1783 and that the islands have belonged to the Philippines since 1895. In 1898, Katipunan, a Philippine revolutionary organization, even sent troops to the islands to resist Spanish rule, he says.

Batongbacal argues that, under the Cession of Outlying Islands of the Philippines signed in 1900, Cagayan, Sulu, Sibutu and their subordinate islands were ceded to the US. Again, the facts are being manipulated.

In 1990, the US and Spain renegotiated ownership of islands that were beyond the boundaries set by the third article of the 1898 treaty and therefore had not been ceded to the US. When the two countries signed the Cession of Outlying Islands of the Philippines, the only article established in the treaty stipulated that the island of Cagayan Sulu, now called Taganak Island; Sibutu, now called Turtle Island; and smaller islands around them had not been ceded to the US.

Batongbacal confused Cagayan Sulu, which is near the coast of Borneo, and the northern province of Cagayan in Luzon. Islands north of 20o latitude were not ceded to the US.

Batongbacal then cites the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties and insists that ambiguities in the 1989 treaty should be interpreted "in good faith in accordance with the ordinary meaning." But that violates the idea that treaties must be easily understood.

The terms in a treaty cannot be interpreted in such a way that they violate the meaning of the treaty as a whole. There is a difference between 20o latitude and 21.3o latitude.

With the technology available at the time, it was possible to record latitude and longitude accurately. In other words, the demarcation of the territory that Spain ceded is very reliable.

Spain never discussed the issue of islands north of the 20th meridian with the US.

Batongbacal is also of the opinion that the Philippines' 1935 Constitution and John's Law define the country's territory.

These documents only determine the territory of the Philippines according to the 1898 and 1900 treaties.

The Philippines has yet to come up with a legitimate argument for its claim to the Batanes Islands.

Chen Hurng-yu is a professor at the Graduate Institute of Southeast Asian Studies at Tamkang University.

Translated by Angela Hong, Ted Yang and Anna Stiggelbout

http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=23396.msg228742#msg228742

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The claim of Taiwan to our Batanes Islands was due to Taiwan wrong interpretation
of the confusing wordings in the territorial boundary in the Treaty of Paris between
Spain and the U.S.A.

However there were many written records about the Spaniards settling and controlling the islands of Batanes since the year 1600s.

Paris, December 10, 1898
Treaty of Peace between the United States of America and the Spanish Empire.
(Signed August 12, 1898.)

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/sp1898.asp

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz203/crisostomosantos33/bashichannel.jpg

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz203/crisostomosantos33/taiwantobatanes.jpg

Related Web links :

After the Spanish were defeated by the US in 1898, one of the conditions of the peace treaty was that Spain cede the Philippines to the US. But a close reading of the US-Spanish Treaty of Paris is surprising: the northernmost part of the Philippine territory ceded by Spain to the US ends at the 20th parallel, or south of the Balintang Channel. This means that the Batan Islands fall outside the scope of the peace treaty.

What does this mean? Was it a measurement mistake? Or was it due to other
reasons?

To deal with these questions, we have to go back to 1895 and the maritime border agreement signed by Spain and Japan.

On Aug. 7, 1895, during the Japanese occupation of Taiwan, Japan and Spain signed an agreement delineating the borders of Taiwan and the Philippines. The agreement defined “the middle of the navigable channel of Bashi parallel to the latitude as the Western Pacific border between Japan and Spain.”

Because the agreement did not define borders in terms of latitude and longitude, and because there was no definition of what was meant by the Bashi Strait, the unclear geographical scope created problems in later talks between the US and Spain.

In June 1896, war broke out between the US and Spain. The US defeated the Spanish fleet in the Bay of Manila, thereby winning the war. Representatives of the US and Spain reached an agreement on Nov. 28, but did not reveal the contents. A newspaper therefore guessed at the scope of Philippine territory demanded by the US, writing: “It is believed that the definition of the limits of the Philippine group in the American demands will be as follows: From 5â€™ 32′ north latitude to 19â€™ 38′ north latitude, and from 117â€™ east
longitude to 126â€™ east longitude, thus covering about 1,000 miles north and south and 600 miles east and west.”

This report shows that the most northerly point of the Philippine group of islands as agreed to by Spain and accepted by the US was south of the 20th parallel. This rumor was later verified by the official agreement.

The US and Spain then signed a peace treaty in Paris on Dec.10, 1898. Article 3 of the treaty specifies that Spain should cede the Philippine islands it occupied to the US, as defined in terms of longitude and latitude. The text of Article 3 reads: “Spain hereby cedes to the United States the archipelago known as the Philippines Islands, and comprehending the islands lying within the following line: A line running from West to East along or near the Twentieth (20th) parallel of North latitude, and through the middle of the navigable channel of Bashi, from the one hundred and eighteenth (118th) to the one hundred and twenty-seventh (127th) degree meridian of longitude East of Greenwich, thence along the one hundred and twenty-seventh (127th) degree meridian of longitude East of Greenwich to the…”

http://www.lakbaypilipinas.com/blog/2007/06/13/batanes-is-taiwanese/

A Primer on Philippine Territorial Claims
Manuel L. Quezon III, mlquezon3@gmail.com

http://archive.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=107756&d=12&m=3&y=2008

kenken94

July 3rd, 2010, 02:10 AM

^ They'll have to face the U.S and our allies first if they start aggression. And the Government really should start prioritizing modernizing and expanding the capabilities of our army.

mrboy

July 3rd, 2010, 03:11 AM

paano na lang kaya kung wala tayong allies. baka madali na lng nila nakuha ang mga gusto nila. :ohno:

ano kaya plano ng bagong defense secretary natin for the modernization of the AFP?

mrboy

July 3rd, 2010, 03:28 AM

'Tell us what you need and we will give it,' Noynoy tells AFP

This was what President Benigno Aquino III told the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) on Friday during the change of command ceremonies at Camp Aguinaldo in Quezon City.

As commander-in-chief, Aquino presided over the turnover of command to incoming AFP chief Lt. Gen. Ricardo David from Lt. Gen. Nestor Ochoa, who was designated acting AFP chief after the early retirement of Gen. Delfin Bangit.

http://www.gmanews.tv/webpics/infotech/afpaquinojuly2.jpg

"Tell us what you need and we will give it to you, as long as they are based on principles of professionalism and utilitarianism; as long as they will benefit the whole institution and not only the interests of a few," Aquino said.

The Philippines' defense budget is one of the lowest in Asia.

Aquino said he has already tasked Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin, who was Army chief during the Estrada administration, to ensure the immediate modernization of the AFP and ensure the expansion of troops' numbers.

"Makakaasa kayo na ang inyong mga pangangailangan ay tutuparin ng aking administrasyon (Rest assured that your needs will be met by my administration)," he said.

Aquino said he trusts that he would achieve his administration's plans for defense with the help of David, whom he said shares his views that the government's "national security objectives should be a multi-stakeholder effort focused on protecting our rights and civil liberties."

David hails from Pampanga but spent most of his early years in Tarlac, Aquino’s home province.

He was chief of the Northern Luzon Command before he was named AFP chief of staff.

Wishlist

In response to Aquino's question, David, in a press conference after the turnover ceremony, said he wanted the government to pour in more funding for housing programs for soldiers.

"[I hope] he will continue improving the morale of our soldiers," David said.

He also said the Aquino administration should focus on improving medical facilities used to treat wounded soldiers, stressing the importance of ensuring a high survival rate of government forces during encounters.

"Pinaka-importante talaga na our soldiers know that when they get their casualties, wounded in action... malaki ang survival rate nila. So may medisina kaagad na nandoon sa field at may mga helicopters na mage-evacuate sa kanila," he said.

He said the President should also ensure that servicemen are provided with better weapons, combat equipment, as well as communication system that would help the AFP "increase our combat efficiency."

see rest of the story here: http://www.gmanews.tv/story/195035/tell-us-what-you-need-and-we-will-give-it-noynoy-tells-afp

Brandon32

July 3rd, 2010, 04:15 AM

le Reine

July 3rd, 2010, 04:24 AM

^^That claim is too far-fetched, but I agree that we should always be prepared.

kalbongdad

July 3rd, 2010, 04:42 PM

Ady001

July 4th, 2010, 02:01 AM

^^That claim is too far-fetched, but I agree that we should always be prepared.

It's a Pavlovian thing Le Reine. Once the dogs sniff and salivate you know what's going to happen.

TheAvenger

July 4th, 2010, 09:34 AM

if there will be a flash point that will be the china sea where the kalayaan islands are and the recent oil finds near palawan and mindanao....sa laki ng demand for oil....that area could be a target of chinese adventurism....

Once Taiwan unite with Peoples Republic of China, or once PRC take-over by force the island of Taiwan........... then the next step ...............for sure the slit-eyed dragon will gobble up Batanes island.

kenken94

July 4th, 2010, 01:25 PM

By that time, hopefully the Philippines has already emerged as powerful dragon enough to make the Chinese think twice even before firing a bullet at us. That's why the focus should now be harnessing the Economy and at the same time expand the army's number to a million or excluding the reserve army plus more attack and bomber aircrafts plus 2 aircraft carriers and a lot of battleships.

Very ambitious eh? Pero sa tamang panahon, kaya ng Pilipinas niyan, ang laki kaya ng bansa natin.

william :D

July 4th, 2010, 04:06 PM

johnmizer

July 5th, 2010, 10:33 AM

Search FOr EAgle One. movie ito kung san makikita nyo gano ka saya kapag hinayaan na ang us marines humbol sa abu sayyyaf

Arvor

July 5th, 2010, 04:38 PM

Expanding the army to a million is not the right idea but i get what your saying that the military should be strong .

Concretely however the army should be shrunk ..., as i wrote in a prior post discussing country reforms amongst other things the military :

The country should focus on building naval and air forces and massively increasing the size of the Phillippine marines given that the country is primarily a maritime archipelago, aswell as paratrooper forces so that we create a mobile force capable of long distance force projection both by sea and air .

The marines should expand from the current 10.000 to 40.000
Airborne and special forces from 5000 to 20.000

The army should be divided into two separate sections :

1) a small but professional and well equipped army from 113.000 to 80.000 ( 200.000 reserves )

2) a large conscript based national guard system ( around 100.000 conscripts at any given time ) with its own independent command structure except in time of war when the service is integrated under army command, where young people will serve 1 or two years of their life .

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=571704&page=35

The army in modern militaries are not the primary means of initiating offensive action or for that matter best suited for warfare over great distances, this is best carried out by marines which serves as the navies armed troop forces and in modern times by paratroopers who are the air forces troops.

These formations are better suited for Phillipine archipelagic conditions where we need forces to be able to retake or defend far flung islands or fight adversaries on those islands and distant shores which the army is ill equipped to fight .

The army should for its part focus on developing special forces ... aside from those of course its role would be more about defence or to follow up after marine or airborne operations for more long term missions .

An army of a million would also cost alot of money to maintain making it harder to equip them properly, a smaller well equipped well trained and led army is always better than a large but poorely equipped one and this has always been true since the age of Alexander the great, who with a mere 40.000 men annihilated the Persian empire which could field hundreds of thousands, and went all the way to India, or indeed the western colonial empires which conquered most of the known world with tiny armies compared to the massive but primitive local forces they encountered, we saw this reality play out again and again in the modern world most recently in Iraq and Afghanistan and perhaps if things go wrong the barely half a million South Korean military vs the million man north, if not for the devastation on Seoul by the norths artilerry in the initial stages we could conclude that the south would eventually win over the north simply through technology and quality .

Finally there are other means of claiming or holding onto islands part of it is through historical records but also through actual realities on the ground such as having citizens of your country living on a particular island, one example is the tiny municipality or barangay on Pag Asa island in the Kalayaan islands .

Kalayaan is a 5th class municipality in the province of Palawan, Philippines. According to the 2000 census, it has a population of 223 people in 12 households.

Kalayaan is composed of only one barangay, Pag-Asa. This island has a 1.3 km airstrip that is used both by the military and civilians. It has a regulated civilian population of about 350, most of whom are fishermen. This civilian population is the result of Philippine government initial efforts to put civilians in the Kalayaan. Once a month, a Philippine Navy Ship goes to this island to drop supplies of goods. This island has a water-filtering plant, power generators, weather stations and a communication tower which is built by the Philippine-based SMART Telecommunications.

The municipal government of Kalayaan is making new projects to promote tourism for the island. Also, they had been successful in convincing many Filipino businessmen to invest in Kalayaan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalayaan,_Palawan

This is also why i believe that we need to decentralize not only political power in the country by becoming a federal state but also to decentralize our populations through the creation of new multi million people metropolises, one such metropolis could be in Infanta Quezon to create greater access to the countries Pacific area while on the northern coast transforming Aparri into a large metropolis where hopefully the entire northern coast and its towns would develop into a long and vast urban conurbation and consequently spread to the Babuyan islands .

By simply inhabiting these islands with our citizens by simply being present with people and infrastrcuture we can cement our sovereignty on them .

But of course aside from the civilian and international laws that would be gained through such actions the country should still be ready for military threats that could violate sovereignty, so the country should in the long term truelly develop a navy and air force base around the north coast near Aparri and create a forward air force strip on one of the Babuyan islands and sprinkle a number of anti aircraft and anti ship missile batteries in those islands aswell as small mobile teams equipped with portable anti ship and aircraft missile systems .

Finally we can also lay claim on Taiwan since the Spanish actually invaded and controlled parts of Taiwan island in the past :

In the early seventeenth century Catholic Spain was in competition with Protestant Holland for trade and influence in East Asia. With the establishment of a Dutch colony at Tayouan (present-day Anping) in the south of Taiwan, the Dutch gained the ability to effectively threaten Spanish trade in the region. As a counter to this threat, the Spanish decided to establish their own colony in the north of the island.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_under_Spanish_rule.

Furthermore the original aboriginal population of Taiwan are more related and were similar to Filipinos than Chinese :

Although Taiwanese indigenous groups hold a variety of creation stories, recent research suggests their ancestors may have been living on the islands for approximately 8,000 years before major Han Chinese immigration began in the 17th century (Blust 1999). Taiwanese aborigines are Austronesian peoples, with linguistic and genetic ties to other Austronesian ethnic groups, such as peoples of the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Madagascar and Oceania (Hill et al. 2007; Bird, Hope & Taylor 2004). The issue of an ethnic identity unconnected to the Asian mainland has become one thread in the discourse regarding the political status of Taiwan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_Aborigines

http://www.buzzen.com/files/pictures/img_169513_1_46.jpg

If the Phillipines had the means and were to defend the full extent of its historical claims we could probably claim Taiwan, Sabah and a huge chunk of the Pacific ... in the form of the Palau islands, Guam, and Micronesia ... .

The US Marine corps btw has by itself 200 000 men and the accompanying firepower which makes it larger and capable than most armies in the world ... .

kalbongdad

July 5th, 2010, 04:41 PM

Arvor

July 5th, 2010, 06:02 PM

Btw i recently went to the Belgian army open door days and they actually have alot of similar equipment to the Phillipines, such as the AIFV armoured fighting vehicle and the light recon scorpion tank altho theyve now retired the scorpions .

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Anyway here ( above 1,2 ) are some shots of the AIFV's, i did not take a ride in them because the waiting lines for the tracked vehicles were too long lol, shorter lines doon sa wheeled vehicles .

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And here's a ride ( above 1,2 ) i took inside a Swiss Mowag 8x8 APC its basically the same vehicle licensed produced as the US stryker apc .

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I hope the Phillipines get some of these given the countries terrain its probably better suited than tracked armoured vehicles .

Arvor

July 5th, 2010, 06:07 PM

parang ramdam ko gusto mong sakupin ang mundo...

Lol promise hindi ...

Its just hard for the "army" to defend a country composed of islands as opposed to a desert or a vast continental country, we are a vast archipelagic nation and the best people to kick down doors or take beaches and distant islands or territory are the marines and paratroopers .

My comment naman sa Alexander the great and history is to point out how in history quality more often than not trumps quantity, we are today a democracy and a peaceful one for the most part but being the "good guys" doesnt mean being "weak" a strong democratic and peaceful republic requires a strong defence of its principles and territory .

Kintoy

July 5th, 2010, 06:18 PM

By Manny Mogato, Reuters (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/-depth/07/05/10/philippine-air-force-spend-150m-upgrade)
Posted at 07/05/2010 7:25 PM | Updated as of 07/05/2010 7:26 PM

- Air Force getting combat helicopters, C130, trainer jets
- Aquino says they are investments for peace and growth
- Army may lease portions of bases to raise funds

MANILA, Philippines - The Philippines will spend about 7 billion pesos ($150 million) on aircraft and surveillance systems to guard the sprawling archipelago and help fight Muslim separatists and Maoist rebels, a senior general said on Monday.

Lieutenant-General Oscar Rabena said the airforce would get 15 combat utility and night-capable helicopters, 10 refurbished UH-1H helicopters, a long-range maritime patrol plane, a refurbished C-130 transport, basic trainer jets and long-range radar systems.

"We have the plans in place for transition from internal security to territorial defence," Rabena told reporters at Villamor Air Base, where a ceremony was held for the 63rd anniversary of the Philippine Air Force.

He said eight combat utility helicopters from Polish company PZL Swidnik, a unit of Anglo-Italian helicopter company Agusta Westland, would be delivered next year.

For more than 40 years, the Philippines' 130,000-member army has been fighting Muslim separatists seeking a homeland in the south of the mainly Catholic state and Maoist-led rebels waging a protracted war to overthrow a democratically-elected government.

At the ceremony, President Benigno Aquino III, the military's commander-in-chief, reiterated his commitment to provide the troops, weapons and equipment needed to end insurgencies and protect the country's territorial integrity.

"I will not make false promises to you or tell you things simply for the sake of making positive headlines," Aquino said, adding a secure and stable country was needed to attract investment that could create jobs.

"That's why they're called investments," Aquino later told reporters of the new equipment, adding the defence department was studying schemes to raise funds outside the annual budget.

"There are creative schemes that will not make the government lose its assets but will be in a position, like a lease, that we can enter into and then fund what we need."

Defence Secretary Voltaire Gazmin told Reuters he had asked the military to make an inventory of available assets, including land that could be leased on a long-term to property developers.

"We have many camps within the capital region that can be leased for a minimum of 50 years. These are prime property that can generate billions of pesos and finance our modernisation programme."

Arvor

July 5th, 2010, 06:28 PM

a long-range maritime patrol plane, a refurbished C-130 transport

Not alot tho "a maritime plane" singular we probably need one just to monitor the north coast alone but ok lol its better than zero its a start definetely something to cheer .

And one refurbished c-130 we only have one left as it stands so this means two again its too few but better than nothing .

Army may lease portions of bases to raise funds

So they want to lease lands to property developers ..., i think it would be better to lease bases to other friendly allied countries like Singapore which needs airspace to train their fighters for example, and the US military could use a naval base which could then pay rent and of course also serve to protect our territory i know its controversial but we can probably put the base somewhere isolated where they will not come into contact with the general population to avoid "incidents" somewhere like the Babuyan islands that way they can annoy the Chinese lol .

gaLj

July 5th, 2010, 07:59 PM

And one refurbished c-130 we only have one left as it stands so this means two again its too few but better than nothing .

.

We have 2 C-130 but only 1 is operational then other one is undergoing repairs right now.

gaLj

July 5th, 2010, 08:03 PM

Lieutenant-General Oscar Rabena said the airforce would get 15 combat utility and night-capable helicopters, 10 refurbished UH-1H helicopters, a long-range maritime patrol plane, a refurbished C-130 transport, basic trainer jets and long-range radar systems.

Sana sikorsky UH-60 Black hawks

Kundi mapili ang Army natin magandang alternative CUH ang Mi-17

Ady001

July 6th, 2010, 02:26 AM

Aquino orders review of RP defense

By Christian V. Esguerra, Jocelyn R. Uy
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 02:22:00 07/06/2010

Filed Under: Defense, Military

MANILA, Philippines—President Benigno Aquino III Monday announced he had ordered a “comprehensive review” of the country’s defense system as part of his bigger objective of modernizing the Armed Forces of the Philippines within the next six years.

“My fundamental philosophy is there cannot be right solutions without the corresponding correct identification of the problems,” he said in his speech on the 63rd anniversary of the Philippine Air Force (PAF) in Pasay City.

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin “is undertaking, at my direction, a comprehensive review of the many aspects of our national defense with this orientation in mind,” Mr. Aquino said.

“I want you to know that if my expectations of you are high, it is because I know that our people’s expectations of all of us are the highest. I will not make false promises to you or tell you things simply for the sake of making positive headlines.”

The bond between the Commander in Chief and his troops got a symbolic display when it rained during the parade at 10:13 a.m.

Mr. Aquino was about to alight from the “white carabao” (military parade jeep) following the customary troop inspection when it suddenly rained. But protocol dictated that the President remain in position—like the rest of the soldiers in formation—until the rite was over.

Civilian supremacy

In his speech, the President highlighted the supremacy of civilian authority over the military which, he said, Air Force officers should always keep in mind.

“The real commander in chief of all of us is the Filipino people,” he said. “Your chain of command does not end with me because I, too, have a commitment to the people.”

Mr. Aquino said he would look into the proposal submitted by the PAF on the “upgrade of engines, purchase of new air assets and surveillance equipment so you can do your job.”

“The statistics that you submitted show the things that still need to be done,” he said in Filipino.

“We need to study and plan how to fast track and improve our facility readiness, including the readiness rate in the command, which would increase once we’re done with the on-base housing project.”

Mr. Aquino said he had given Gazmin two weeks to submit his recommendations on the PAF proposal. So far, the entire military receives a meager P5 billion annually for its modernization project.

Merit-based corps

The President focused on the importance of a professional organization.

“The foundation of the morale and esprit de corps of any military organization is a merit-based officer corps, issuing clear orders that comply with both the spirit and letter of the law,” he said.

“The effectiveness of any military organization is dependent on officers and men and women having full faith and confidence that they will be provided the means to do their job: From arms and equipment to homes and health care.”

Lt. Gen. Oscar Rabena, PAF chief, urged Mr. Aquino to “strengthen its wings” by expediting the Air Force’s belated modernization.

“Our accomplishments do not provide us or our country sufficient assurance for the same or higher level of success next year or in the future,” Rabena said in his speech.

“Our wings—and by extension our scope and speed of operations—are admittedly limited,” he said.

In recent years, the 17,000-strong PAF has lost a number of aging aircraft vital in disaster response and combat operations.

In 2008, a C-130 crashed into the waters of Davao Gulf, killing two pilots and seven crewmen. The Air Force also lost a presidential helicopter carrying eight people last year in Mt. Pulag in Benguet province.

A Nomad plane nose-dived into a poor neighborhood in Cotabato City, killing at least nine in January this year.

P3.2B for upgrade

“We are concerned as most of you about the number and quality of our primary assets even as we have been recovering or acquiring additional aircraft,” Rabena said.

In an interview later with reporters, Rabena disclosed that the government needed to spend roughly P3.2 billion for the PAF’s much-needed aircraft and equipment: Long-range patrol aircraft, jet trainer aircraft and long-range radars that would allow fighter pilots to detect intrusions.

The Air Force still needs to procure seven attack helicopters, which is over and above the P3.2-billion budget, Rabena said.

At least eight combat helicopters are expected to be delivered not later than early next year from Poland.

Rabena also made a “confession” to Mr. Aquino: That he and his wife were “actually avid fans” of popular TV host Kris Aquino, the President’s youngest sister.

“But now, we are your strongest supporter, admirer and protector … and that includes the entire Philippine Air Force,” he said.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20100706-279403/Aquino-orders-review-of-RP-defense

kalbongdad

July 6th, 2010, 02:34 AM