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May 7th, 2006, 06:51 AM

... and Philippines is US' first Vietnam actually. Remember what happened during the so-called war for independence? In US history books, its known as the Philippine insurrection giving them the appearance that its their destiny to tame 'uncivilized societies'.

And this is what happened

The Philippine-American War started on February 4, 1899 and was officially proclaimed by President Roosevelt to have ended on July 4, 1902.

The Philippine-American War was a war of attrition. The Americans identified their objective as the capture of Emilio Aguinaldo, the President of the fledging Philippine Republic. They initially perceived conquest and pacification as dependent on the fall of the Aguinaldo government. Because of their superiority in weapons, they also believed that the war would be short and swift in their favor. But the Americans were shocked at the courage and tenacity of the Filipinos who dragged the Americans into several years of battle.

In 1899, because of their firepower, the US forces under General Arthur MacArthur (father of Douglas) were able to "break out" of Manila and begin moving into the interior, aided in particular by heavy shelling from naval vessels. Dewey's artillery destroyed the area where the Filipinos were entrenched, causing heavy casualties (3000 that first day). It also caused a British observer to say that "this is not war; it is simply massacre and murderous butchery." As they moved through the suburbs, homes were vandalized and looted (a letter home from a soldier reads "the house I had at Santa Ana had five pianos. I couldn't take them, so I put a big grand piano put of a second-story window.").

The american Newspaaper Chicago Tribune commented the fighting deaths that occurred the night the Philippine-American War began:

"The slaughter at Manila was necessary, but not glorious. The entire American population justifies the conduct of its army at Manila because only by a crushing repulse of the Filipinos could our position be made secure. We are the trustees of civilization and peace throughout the islands."

US troops continued to spread outward from Manila, taking the small towns and cities as they went. On the way, the soldiers (many of whom did not want to be there and some suffering from sicknesses common in the area) inflicted heavy casualties on the Filipinos; sometimes killing prisoners (if taken at all). Houses and buildings were burned. One soldier stated that he had "with his own hand set fire to over fifty houses of Filipinos after the victory at Caloocan. Women and children were wounded" (note: after the victory). In many cases, between the fighting and fleeing, towns were left without any inhabitants. Said of the battle referred to in the last quote: "Caloocan was supposed to contain 17,000 inhabitants. The Twentieth Kansas swept through it, and now Caloocan contains not one living native."

Town after town seemed to fall under the US control. And with it came the carnage. After shelling Malabon, the soldiers "went in and killed every native we met, men, women, children." On the other hand, it went both ways as the Filipinos were sometimes known to hack up the soldiers with their bolos (whether they would have resorted to doing so with innocent noncombatants is an interesting question).

The Filipinos waged a guerrilla warfare which was suitable for the country’s terrain and their limited firearms. Many of them were peasants by day and revolutionaries by night. They were sustained in their struggle by the unrelenting support of entire towns. Even if the American flag was displayed in the town and the local elite officials publicly acknowledged support to the United States, it did not matter since the guerrillas received food, supplies, and shelter from the people. It was dangerous for an American to stray away from the U.S. garrison lest he be hacked to death by the guerrillas and their sympathizers.

Towards the end of 1900, the Americans declared martial law. To combat guerrilla warfare, they launched a scorched-earth "pacification" campaign. Every Filipino, whom the Americans called "******", was viewed as an enemy regardless of whether he or she took up arms. Entire towns were held responsible for the actions of guerrillas. Mere objection to the Americans was termed treason. Villages sympathetic to the guerrilla were burned and people indiscriminately killed. Torture was systematically used to elicit information from suspected guerrillas or their symphatizers. One form of torture was the "water cure" treatment where the victim was forced to drink excessive amounts of water after which he was stomped on the stomach. These atrocities were widely known since the U.S. War Department imposed a blanket censorship, but American soldiers wrote to their families and relatives in the U.S. and related their activities. Some of these letters were eventually published in American local newspapers, thus highlighting the brutality of these "pacification" campaigns.

Part of the strategy was the introduction of "reconcentration", a policy of hauling an entire population into concentration camps to flush out the guerrillas among them and to cut their material support to the resistance movement. In the process of reconcentration, whole towns suffered from starvation and disease. Villagers were taken from their sources of livelihood and were not decently fed. Worse, living conditions were less than adequate, with people confined in overcrowded camps without proper sanitation. Camps then became breeding grounds for the spread of deadly diseases such as cholera.

Major General Franklin Bell wanted to break the resistance movement of the Batangueno Filipino General Miguel Malvar. The Batanguenos were forcibly brought into reconcentration camps. Everything outside the camp was confiscated or destroyed, and anyone caught outside was automatically deemed a guerrilla. In Batangas, casualties as a result of fighting and reconcentration surpassed 100,000.

On Sept. 28 1901 Filipino guerillas infiltrated the town of Balangiga, Samar, attacking American troops at their breakfast table and killing 54.
Afte the succesfull attack on American soldiers at Balangiga in 1901, due to the public demand in the U.S. for retaliation, President Theodore Roosevelt ordered the pacification of Samar. And in six months, General “Jake” Smith transformed Balangiga into a “howling wilderness.” He ordered his men to kill anybody capable of carrying arms, including ten-year-old boys.

Smith particularly ordered Major Littleton Waller to punish the people of Samar for the deaths of the American troops. His orders were: “I want no prisoners. I wish you to kill and burn, the more you kill and burn, the better you will please me. I want all persons killed who are capable of bearing arms in actual hostilities against the United States.”

Battered, worn, and subjected to policies specifically targeting their civilian supporters, Filipino commanders finally surrendered one by one, though active fighting went on until 1902 and sporadic outbreaks of violence continued until 1907. By the end of the war 5000 American lives had been lost, more than the combined casualty tolls of he Spanish-American and Mexican American wars. Filipino casualties are impossible to determine, but estimates range from 250,000 to over 1,000,000.

May 7th, 2006, 07:07 AM

^^^^ Tsk Tsk.. We truly have such short term memories don't we??

renell

May 8th, 2006, 08:14 AM

Hehe, OV-10s are prone to mechanical problems, el flying coffins...they should focus on buying lightarms, nightvision equipment and body armor and maybe an attack helicopter with thermal imaging, hehe

they're flying coffins because the PAF isn't maintaining it. "an attack helicopter" would be a flying coffin too. and body armor isn't much use when the insurgents have RPG rounds exploding around you. plus our soldiers would sacrifice armor for mobility in the Mindanao jungles.

May 8th, 2006, 11:01 AM

What do u think about UAV's?? Do u think they can be usefull in dense jungle terrains??

amras

May 8th, 2006, 04:07 PM

^^^^ Tsk Tsk.. We truly have such short term memories don't we??

this is shocking... these information are not even included in most of our history books. Short term memories is not the problem at all, we didn't have those memories in the first place.

May 8th, 2006, 06:43 PM

^^^^ Maybe becoz it was not popularly publicized or the whole entire story being told like the other wars becoz it would show their own hypocricy.

jrevalde

May 9th, 2006, 12:22 AM

What do u think about UAV's?? Do u think they can be usefull in dense jungle terrains??

Hehe, I've been wondering about that as well, it doesnt look like it can do much in dense jungle, I think they would be more suited for the navy, patrolling maritime borders with indonesia and malaysia since boats stand out in water. Isnt there a plan to purchase or rent UAV's from the US by the AFP?

May 9th, 2006, 02:04 AM

im not sure but i heard i think i even saw it on tv the AFP are also making their own version out of UAV out of RC planes. hehe

Askal82

May 9th, 2006, 03:42 AM

^^^^ Tsk Tsk.. We truly have such short term memories don't we??

I hope that the generations of Filipinos intoxicated with colonial mentality will soon disappear to be replaced by a fresh young generation of Filipinos who can think for themselves by being more assertive and progressive.

bustero

May 9th, 2006, 04:30 AM

^^You mean the ones who watch MTV and Nickledeon or the ones who watch Meteor Garden and Marimar!:)

May 9th, 2006, 10:44 AM

I hope that the generations of Filipinos intoxicated with colonial mentality will soon disappear to be replaced by a fresh young generation of Filipinos who can think for themselves by being more assertive and progressive.

That's just a bit of reality and a lot of hypocricy and we must never forget our history as we pursue our destiny. :)

DoggMann

May 9th, 2006, 07:43 PM

... we cant compete with our neighboring SE asians when it comes to military equipment and technology ... kawawa naman tayo pag nag ka gyera ...

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/HE03Ae03.html

Southeast Asia
May 3, 2006

Military muscles bulging in SE Asia
By David Isenberg

KUALA LUMPUR - Southeast Asia's arms market is booming, as governments in the region shell out funds for everything from light arms to fighter jets in a gathering race to keep pace with their neighbors. Asia, driven mostly by China and India, has in recent years emerged as the largest developing-world market for arms sales, accounting for nearly half of all global purchases made between 2001 and 2004.

Southeast Asia's military budgets are also soaring once again, as governments ramp up arms spending after years of belt-tightening induced by the 1997-98 Asian financial crisis. Southeast Asia's top five military spenders, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Singapore and Vietnam, had a combined military budget of US$14.3 billion in 2004, according to the United States' National Bureau of Asian Research. Preliminary estimates show that regional military spending was provisionally higher last year.

If attendance at last week's arms show in Kuala Lumpur is any indication, that spending spree is set to carry over into 2006. The 10th annual Defense Services Asia Global Tri-Service Defense and Government Security Exhibition set an event record with more than 450 different global exhibitors, and although exact figures for the amount of deals made at the show were not made publicly available, it was clear to those in attendance that business was, well, booming.

Many Southeast Asian buyers spoke about long-overdue military modernization needs as the incentive behind their purchases. Others suggested they needed to prepare to repel armed insurgencies or unmentioned full state threats.

The unspoken subtext is the perceived need to safeguard against China's growing military might in the event Beijing someday takes on a more aggressive foreign policy toward its smaller regional neighbors. The Rand Corporation, a respected US-based think-tank, estimates that China, which claimed to have a $29 billion defense budget last year, actually spent between $42 billion and $51 billion in a rapid, if not secretive, military modernization drive.

There was plenty of geostrategic politics at play at the Kuala Lumpur arms show. Russia, which is aiming to ramp up global sales for its military hardware and strategically counterbalance China's growing economic influence in the region, was particularly active in brokering deals. Russian arms dealers have recently had a large measure of success in peddling their wares in Southeast Asia, signing contracts with Vietnam, Malaysia and Indonesia for aircraft exports worth nearly half of Russia's total global exports in recent years.

Fourteen Russian military-industry enterprises exhibited 450 samples of armaments and military hardware, according to Rosoboronexport, the Russian state-owned arms trader. These included the T-90S and T-72M1 main battle tanks, BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles, and armored personnel carriers, as well as 152-millimeter and 155mm Msta-S self-propelled howitzers.

The Russian aircraft company Sukhoi announced at the expo its plans to promote an export version of its Su-34 assault planes, known as the Su-32, for countries that already have Russian-produced Su-24 Fencer fighter-bombers. In tit-for-tat fashion, Southeast Asian governments are upgrading their air forces to protect their aerial sovereignty better.

Russia registered a new post-Soviet arms-sales record last year, exporting $6.1 billion worth of weapons. While China and India are still Moscow's top customers, several Southeast Asian militaries, particularly those of Indonesia and Malaysia, have taken a liking to Russia's comparatively cheap wares. Russian fighter jets have been particularly popular: Myanmar's ruling generals spent $150 million on 10 MiG-29 fighters in 2001; Malaysia was first in the region to buy Russian planes in 1994.

Thailand, which is battling a spiraling insurgency in its southernmost provinces, confirmed last December high-level discussions with senior Russian officials about terms and conditions for a planned purchase of an undisclosed number of Su-30 jet fighters. If the deal goes through, it would represent a notable new direction for Thai air force procurements, which traditionally have been purchased from the United States. Thailand currently has a fleet of aging F-16s and had to put plans to buy more advanced F-18s on hold in the wake of the regional financial crisis.

Expo host Malaysia, whose officials are hoping to establish the country as a regional defense-market hub, were particularly acquisitive, partially with Thailand in mind. As recently as a few years ago, the Malaysians did not have a main battle tank, an Su-30 fighter jet or a submarine - all of which they now have or plan to acquire.

Local Malaysian companies and foreign arms dealers signed 13 different memoranda of understanding and agreements related to defense, many of which had been pre-approved as required by Malaysia's military procurement system. Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak said Malaysia signed RM1.1 billion ($304 million) worth of contracts, letters of acceptance and letters of intent with arms dealers at the show.

Eager to modernize its military to help deal with the threat of regional terrorism, Najib handed out defense contracts worth nearly $220 million on the first day of the show, including with European giant EADS and Armaris, a joint venture between a French state-owned shipyard and Thales Communications.

Another deal saw Malaysian heavyweight Defense Technologies Sdn Bhd, or DefTech, the main supplier of defense vehicles to the Malaysian Armed Forces, sign strategic collaborations with five foreign partners, including Switzerland's MOWAG GmbH and Ruag Land Systems, France's Thales Communications, Belgium's FN-Herstal and Turkey's FNSS Defense Systems for the supply of field vehicles, weapon systems, spare parts, and technology transfer to the local defense industry.

Apart from terrorist threats, Malaysia is on the defensive for a variety of reasons, including long-simmering territorial disputes with Thailand, Indonesia, Brunei and the Philippines, which could heat up as regional competition for access to offshore oil and gas intensifies.

The conflict in southern Thailand along Malaysia's northern border has recently emerged as one of the region's security hot spots, at times putting majority-Buddhist Bangkok and majority-Muslim Kuala Lumpur at diplomatic loggerheads.

Meanwhile, tensions are again brewing with Malaysia's heavily armed neighbor Singapore, which last year purchased 20 new US F-15 fighter jets to bolster its air defenses. Singapore, which is now lobbying Kuala Lumpur to allow it to use Malaysian air space to train its fighter pilots, has indicated it has a "long-range" need for up to 100 new combat aircraft.

Malaysian aerospace firm Airod signed two agreements - technical services and basic ordering - with Switzerland's Pilatus to support of the Royal Malaysian Air Force's (RMAF) PC-7 Mk I and Mk II aircraft. Russia was so eager to close deals with Malaysia that it diplomatically agreed to allow two Malaysian cosmonauts to start training in Russia for a journey to the International Space Station this year.

Similarly, Moscow provided the Indonesian military with $1 billion in credits to purchase Russian military hardware. Last month, Jakarta announced that it was buying an additional six Sukhoi fighter jets from Russia in an effort to beef up its air force, apparently to keep pace with Malaysia's planned procurements.

Russia was not the only one aggressively peddling its wares to Southeast Asia's militaries. Polish arms manufacturers said they expected to sign contracts worth several hundred million dollars at the show. Poland's largest arms maker, Bumar, is carrying out a $370 million contract to deliver 48 PT-91 tanks to Malaysia.

In March, Poland announced it had offered to extend a $260 million soft loan to Indonesia in hopes of reviving past military trade relations. In the 1990s, when Indonesia's economy and military procurements were booming, Poland sold helicopters and airplanes to Jakarta. The Indonesian military recently ordered a fleet of new patrol boats from Gdynia-based Navy Shipyards to shore up its capability against piracy and possible sea-borne terrorists.

Britain's BAE, meanwhile, was specifically targeting the navies of Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia, which jointly patrol the pirate-infested waters of the Malacca Strait, one of the world's most important waterways for global trade and increasingly considered a potential target for global terror networks. BAE advertised its new unmanned drone as "ideal" for reconnaissance along the 900-kilometer strait.

David Isenberg, a senior analyst with the Washington-based British American Security Information Council (BASIC) and a member of the Coalition for a Realistic Foreign Policy, has a wide background in arms control and national security issues. The views expressed are his own.

(Copyright 2006 Asia Times Online Ltd. All rights reserved. Please contact us about sales, syndication and republishing .)

May 9th, 2006, 08:16 PM

DoggMann

May 9th, 2006, 08:27 PM

^^^ Maybe competing and seeing our neigbhor as a threat is not a good idea. After taiwan who knows what would CHINA's next move would be. I think the SE countries should consider making a coalition maybe now somewhere in the future. Kinda like the NATO and other kinds of European coalition formed during the Cold War. I think this is essential and would help us in detering any offense military moves by china against SE countries if ineed there would be.

I think the Philippines and China have a strong diplomatic realtionship... the only conflict we have with them are the spratly ... IMHO we have more problems with malaysia than any other country... one example is sabah ... it should had been ours ... madami pa naman mina ng langis sayang ...

May 10th, 2006, 12:02 PM

demented_pigeon

May 14th, 2006, 02:25 PM

^^^^ You cannot trust China totaly and as long as it is controlled by a militaristic government that has no concience we should never let our guard down and as we head to the future where CHINA will become a superpower it will threaten the regional peace and stability. So we therefore we should form a coalition with our neighbors instead of seeing them as a threat becoz if we remain divided someone is sure to take advantage of that.
i'm ticked off with their idea of having a compromise with regards to the Kalayaan islands... (philippine part of spratley islands). how can they talk about sharing something they do not own? even the international treaties can't support their false claims. the islands have to be within 200 nautical miles off their mainland for it o be internationally recognized as their territory. but their territory doesn't even reach the nearest spratley islet to china. if anyone of you guys read the report of national geographic with regards to this issue a long time ago, you'd see that more than half of the spratleys belong to us.

oh and by the way, the government should give contracts to armscor, FBMA, and other companies capable of producing better, cheaper, and not to mention all-filipino-made products in order for our military to accomplish its modernization program.

demented_pigeon

May 14th, 2006, 02:37 PM

this is shocking... these information are not even included in most of our history books. Short term memories is not the problem at all, we didn't have those memories in the first place.
we didn't have these memories thanks to the americans effective education (or re-education if you ask me) program. the famous thomasite teachers themselves were used to black out every trace of nationalist aspiration from the youth at that time. that's why the americans preferred to make rizal as our national hero because they knew he was pacifist in his actions ( i'm not degrading rizal in anyway) rather than andres bonifacio. of course these things would not be easily accomplishd without the Filipino elite's support for they knew early on that they could capitulate support to the american side in order for them to maintain their vast power and lands. many historians in our country even credit this betrayal of the elite as the death blow of the nationalist-republican revolutionary movement. then on, the struggle morphed from colonized against colonizer to peasant against elite-bourgoise since most of the nationalists still fighting american rule were mostly peasant leaders from central luzon and southern tagalog and even some people from the azucarreras of the visayas. of course they soon got touch with socialist ideas from europe and america (yes, communism in the country first came from american communist... how ironic) and they discarded the liberal democratic ideas they got from rizal and the propagandists... haaaay.... and thats basically a short history of the revolutionary struggle and the socialist-communist movement.

Lili

May 16th, 2006, 02:27 AM

i'm ticked off with their idea of having a compromise with regards to the Kalayaan islands... (philippine part of spratley islands). how can they talk about sharing something they do not own? even the international treaties can't support their false claims. the islands have to be within 200 nautical miles off their mainland for it o be internationally recognized as their territory. but their territory doesn't even reach the nearest spratley islet to china. if anyone of you guys read the report of national geographic with regards to this issue a long time ago, you'd see that more than half of the spratleys belong to us.

oh and by the way, the government should give contracts to armscor, FBMA, and other companies capable of producing better, cheaper, and not to mention all-filipino-made products in order for our military to accomplish its modernization program.

Yeah, even if you go by historic title and international treaty standards, the Philippines has rightful claim to the Kalayaan/Spratley Islands. The problem is, the Philippines cannot enforce it.

renell

May 16th, 2006, 04:36 AM

unmaned aerial vehicles would be very useful indeed in accurate air support, especially at night and there would be no need for pilots in dodgy aircraft. but it is a pipedream.

i've said quite frankly what i feel about re-arming our AFP needlessly. i don't think China, Malaysia, India or whoever would want to be in our government's shoes and invade our shores because they'd have to fix our problems. We can't keep up with our neighbours because i) we got bigger things to worry about ii) it just won't fit in our budget

yes indeed lili, we can't enforce it. the PN is doing their best though.

DoggMann

May 16th, 2006, 05:56 AM

kapal talaga ng mukha ng China at Malaysia oo ....
Look at the line segment ng Chinese map ...
then Malaysia, satin dapat Sabah! ngayon pati spratly ! :bash:

Big Brother Sam! help! hehehe

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/images/schinasea.gif

MarkiiBoi

May 18th, 2006, 04:11 AM

RP to donate an aircraft to Australia??
abs-cbnNews.com (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=39066)

The Philippine Air Force, considered to be the weakest in the region, is set to donate one of its planes to Australia.

But before you raise your eyebrows, the aircraft is an aging US-made OV-10 Bronco (67-4639), a light attack aircraft, similar to the ones used by the Americans in the Vietnam War.

The aircraft will be donated to the Australian War Memorial in Sydney, Australia.

The AFP civil relation service chief, Brig. General Jaime Buenaflor, said in a statement that the plane would be displayed as a war memorabilia at the memorial in Sydney.

Buenaflor said an Australian Navy ship, the HMAS Tobruk, is arriving in Manila Thursday to fetch the aircraft from its hangar at the 15th Strike Wing base at Sangley Point, Cavite.

He said that the OV-10 Bronco was formerly owned by the Royal Australian Air Force. It was returned to the US for refurbishing before it was turned over to the Philippines.

The aircraft has a sentimental twist. The current RAAF commander, Air Marshal Geoff Shepherd, reportedly piloted this very aircraft while it was still with the Australian Air Force.

Shepherd has been searching for the plane since it was turned over to the United States. During a visit to Sangley Point two years ago, he recognized the aircraft’s serial number.

Arrangements were made between AFP and Australians military officials for the return of the OV-10 to Australia.

The four-decade-old plane was used in the campaign against communist guerrillas and Islamic militants and also for patrolling the country’s vast shoreline.

An Air force official explained that the donation will have no effect on the AFP’s counterinsurgency operation.

"The one being donated to the Australian War Museum is unserviceable and was scheduled to be dropped from the [Air Force] inventory," said Maj. Augusto de la Peña, PAF deputy spokesman.

The PAF has 24 OV-10 on its inventory.

demented_pigeon

May 18th, 2006, 05:17 AM

it is time for the Philippines to exercise its sovereignty and defend the very soil Filipino blood has been spilt on. more than 90% of those kalayaan islands are within our nautical zone limit. those within the area that does not belong to any country ahs already been occupied by our military including the largest island in the Kalayaan group, Pag-asa island. This is no longer a question of rightful claims but a question of standing up for those claims. We may have a weak military and we understand if our country has no been able to defend the Kalayaan islands but our country has not been able to defend our claims through diplomatic and political means. instead of the status quo wich is to recognize the islands as ecological hotspots, we have collaborated with Chinese oil firms to tap into the oil fields deep within the sea.

And the insults goes on...
Our forefathers who fought for our freedom, beginning from the earliest to shun colonial/western yoke up until the modern Filipinos who strive to make our country better, will surely be angered by this. Collaboration and cooperation with other countries on how to deplete our resources is spitting on the face of our motherland. Why should we invite superpowers to meddle with affairs in our backyard? Have we lost all sense of dignity and shame? Have we sold all vestige of pride in our nation?

kevinb

May 18th, 2006, 11:01 AM

And the insults goes on...
Our forefathers who fought for our freedom, beginning from the earliest to shun colonial/western yoke up until the modern Filipinos who strive to make our country better, will surely be angered by this. Collaboration and cooperation with other countries on how to deplete our resources is spitting on the face of our motherland. Why should we invite superpowers to meddle with affairs in our backyard? Have we lost all sense of dignity and shame? Have we sold all vestige of pride in our nation?

^^that is so correct..
talk about parity rights with other countries..especially USA.. :bash:

demented_pigeon

May 18th, 2006, 01:27 PM

^^that is so correct..
talk about parity rights with other countries..especially USA.. :bash:
i see you're a Bikolano, i'm sure Vinzons wouldnt want this insult to continue.

May 18th, 2006, 02:41 PM

^^^ maybe we should have fought over it at the time when we were still one of the major powers of SE Asia but sadly we did not realize the importance of it at that time. And right now we are too weak against our neighbhors and specially with CHINA, we could only wish only we could turn back time and do what is right back then but it is not possible. But there is still hope we can the claim to these islands we cannot expect help from UN becoz IMHO their policies are full of crap and the US is too busy with its protracted wars. We only have ourselves right now and must be assertive this time even if we are weak now compared to our neighbhors.

kevinb

May 18th, 2006, 03:06 PM

i see you're a Bikolano, i'm sure Vinzons wouldnt want this insult to continue.

why wouldn't he want this to continue?
to ensure that any leakage or anything be left in the open streets?
i am a bikolano, but i wouldn't want to be a bikolano if it would be for him..

demented_pigeon

May 18th, 2006, 04:30 PM

why wouldn't he want this to continue?
to ensure that any leakage or anything be left in the open streets?
i am a bikolano, but i wouldn't want to be a bikolano if it would be for him..
i dont know who you are referring to, but i was referring to the guerilla leader Vinzons in the WWII

JAMAICUS

June 6th, 2006, 09:31 AM

Poland to forge defense cooperation agreement with Philippines

Front page / World
06/05/2006 14:14 Source:

Polish Defense Minister Radoslaw Sikorski said Poland wants to sell helicopters and other defense equipment to the Philippines and has offered credit for the purchase.

He said the relationship may involve a joint venture to manufacture small arms and ammunition in the Philippines, according to the AP.

"Our decision to extend a credit facility to the Philippines is our sign of confidence in the Philippine economy," Sikorski said, adding the credit would be used by the Philippine military, police and anti-narcotics agencies to buy Polish equipment.

He did not give an amount, but Philippine defense official Rosulo Manlangit said it was about US$140 million ( Ђ 109 million).

http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/05-06-2006/81535-Poland-0

June 22nd, 2006, 06:47 PM

The King of all fighter planes and yeah it is better than the f-22 and f-15 without their fancy gadgets and in just a plain dogfight it can always manuever and outrun. And it is way cheaper too.. soviet planes are the best it is just they are outdated in technology and are not pimped with the latest equiped and modern and high tech gadgets like the US...

there see for yourself.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bApB16iJIvU&mode=related&search=

also i can't even believe that vietnam has aquired 12 of these awesome planes...

lochinvar

June 22nd, 2006, 08:49 PM

Fusaichi

June 22nd, 2006, 09:19 PM

The Philippines just don't have the resources to improve its military. Promotions, incentives and good moral examples are needed to make the military powerful and respected. Politics played a big part on the national budget.

Here's what we have out here in Lackland AFB for new recruits on BMT training. It's not all serious military training, we have academics, discipline and social training.

Air Force Basic Training Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eHv0MC1k44)

Air Force Basic Training Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzovDyTQW7Q)

It's fun when you are in the USAF(Game Day) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBlKrBltPeg)

Please spend some time to watch these videos it will make you aware on what young men and women go thru the basic military training here in the US.

Marine boot-camp is quite different, it is a bit harder just like the US Army.

June 22nd, 2006, 10:17 PM

Hindi natin kinakailangang bumili ng pagkamahal-mahal na fighter jet. Kung lulusubin tayo ng mga pulahang intsik o sinuman sa pamamagitan ng kanilang mga avanzadong jet ay mayroong pangkontra dito at ito ay nasubukan na sa dalawang digmaan. Noong digmaan ng Israel at mga Arabs noong 1973, halos maubos ang mga jet fighter ng Israel dahil sa mga missile na nakaabang sa kanila. Nagmaka-awa at parang umiiyak si Gold Meier sa paghingi ng tulong kay Nixon na bigyan sila ng jet fighter. Ang mga tanke rin ng Israel ay naging paralisado dahil sa pinagkumpulan sila ng mga arabe na may handheld anti-tank missile. Sa Afghanistan naman ay nawalan ng gana ang mga Russo dahil sa panay ang bagsak ng kanilang mga mga aeroplano dahil sa handheld missile na ibinigay ng mga kano. Kaya kung hindi rin lamang nating kayang bumili ng mga jet fighter ay bumili tayo ng isang tambak na mga shoulder fired missiles. Ang hindi ko lang alam ay kung my antijamming na kasangkapan ang mga jet fighter para kontrolin ang mga shoulder fired missile. Tinagalog ko dahil maraming nakakabasa sa ating kalapit bansa. Dapat nga sana ay hindi natin tinatalakay itong mga bagay na ito dahil ibinabalita lamang natin sa ating mga kalapit bansa ang kahinaan natin sa kasangkapan sa pandirigma.

Yeah i know but someday we our country is rich enough(i hope so) we can buy this awesomee jets!!!

And for now i think the a-4 ground support jet we have is the ideal jet for us specially for supporting our ground troops in combat. Our a-4 jets i think were veteran planes used in the front lines of vietnam for close combat ground support they are also capable of doing jobs like tank busting.

Our a-4 jet is a good jet it is just we cannot maintain it... so is the f-4.. but someday i hope we can replace the f-4 with Su-37's and the a-4 with Su-25's... i believe in the capability and performance of sukhoi jet fighters. :)

Fusaichi

June 22nd, 2006, 10:58 PM

Here is a site dedicated to the Philippine Armed Forces.

Philippine Defense Page (http://www.timawa.net/index.htm)

Did The Philippines ever had an A-4 Skyhawk and F-4 Phantom Jets?
I only know of the F-5's and F/A 8 Crusaders that all has been grounded.

When a nation buy a fleet of fighter jets, the basic price of each plane doubled because of the packages of ordinance included, training and maintenance, for now, there is no budget to buy any top of the line jets for the national defense upgrading.
I feel sorry for those young men and women who hope and dream of flying for the Philippine Air Force and at the same time are barred from working overseas to become commercial pilots after their stance with the military.

queetz@home

June 23rd, 2006, 01:50 AM

Here is a site dedicated to the Philippine Armed Forces.

Philippine Defense Page (http://www.timawa.net/index.htm)

Did The Philippines ever had an A-4 Skyhawk and F-4 Phantom Jets?

But of course! F-4 Phantom in particular. They were used during the 1989 coup d'etat to help end the rebellion and was based in Clark Airbase back then.... ;)

FlowFlow

June 23rd, 2006, 03:54 AM

So, what do you think on GMA's "Clear the NPA threat"? The budget given was to the billion's, if remembered correctly..

DoggMann

June 23rd, 2006, 04:28 AM

Our country always have insurgency problem and the present threat of terrorism ... i think instead of buying armaments we should develop and produce our own equipment... we have the resources, we have the engineers ... :)

and gloria have billions of peso to spend! :D

lochinvar

June 23rd, 2006, 05:07 AM

Fusaichi

June 23rd, 2006, 06:06 AM

But of course! F-4 Phantom in particular. They were used during the 1989 coup d'etat to help end the rebellion and was based in Clark Airbase back then.... ;)

Those were USAF Phantom Jets that put of a check on any pro-administration Skyraider and F-5's.

June 23rd, 2006, 06:13 AM

im sorry i was wrong the plane looked similar to an a-4 but it was not.. hehe also it is not f-4 but an f-5... lol

bitoy

June 24th, 2006, 09:18 AM

Nuong EDSA I, the US Phantom Jets scrambled also to deter any rebel or administration planes who might caused some damage to Clark AB.
Yung ibang planes and helicopters ng PAF yata took shelter in Clark as to make a point that they are neutral during the EDSA revolution.

Since the Philippines could not afford any new military hardwares, I think the US Air and Naval bases should have stayed as a deterrent to any foreign countries who might wish to invade. But who will invade? No one would try to invade the Philippines. :D

June 24th, 2006, 11:32 AM

ohh so we have actually an f-4 thats niceee. :D i wonder where they are now??

The US bases could be more beneficial if they were here because they could maintain it unlike if they are gone then the toxic waste are left unmaintained and cause more problems becoz they would not even bother to come back and clean it becoz what for. So if the US forces will again occupy the clark and subic bases i think they will consider cleaning it up again of their toxic waste. Well just an idea... and it can also be a key and helping factor on the disputed islands issue.

It would be nice if we see f-22's and f-35's flying around clark... hehe who knows maybe they will think of donating a couple of them.. haha :)

demented_pigeon

June 24th, 2006, 11:43 AM

^^ they have already been decomissioned. all of them.
the americans still dont officially admit that there are toxic wastes in subic and clark.

Fusaichi

June 24th, 2006, 12:09 PM

The only F-4 Phantoms now remaining with the USAF are drones. Some are being revive from the boneyards for scrap parts.

The toxic waste issue left behind at the US Bases are part of a political issue.

Unfortunately, the Philippines government has taken a lackadaisical approach to pushing the US to clean up the toxic wastes left behind by its forces. Worse, Philippine base conversion authorities, especially during the term of President Fidel Ramos, have intentionally downplayed the contamination problem out of fear that reports about contamination may erode the real estate value of the bases and scare away potential investors.

The government could have done better if they did cleanup the major river and the Manila Bay.

Rajah_Soliman

June 25th, 2006, 12:50 AM

Hola! :)

Navy develops state-of-the-art machine guns
By Jaime Laude
The Philippine Star 06/25/2006

Catching up with the times, the Philippine Navy said it has developed a state-of-the-art, sophisticated automated firing system that lets naval gunners fire computerized machine guns from below the deck "with almost 100 percent accuracy."

Navy spokesman Capt. Geronimo Malabanan said the Navy’s gunnery automated mount system is almost complete and is just undergoing minor refinements and adjustments.

The naval project, codenamed "Trident Strike," was conceptualized by the Navy’s Reserve Force Division (NRFD) and developed by technology experts from the Mapua Institute of Technology (MIT).

Malabanan said that once the automated mount system becomes fully operational, naval gunners would have an edge over their enemies because they could fire machine guns from their designated decks and thus avoid being hit.

"There is no need for them to scramble above deck in order to fire at the enemies in the open. This project will protect the life of Navy servicemen during gunfire battle," Malabanan said.

He hoped the naval gunnery automated mount system could be fitted onto all gunboats, particularly those engaged in cross-border patrol and interdiction operations.

At present, Malabanan said they are using manual .50-caliber machine guns.

He expects a fully operational automated gun mount system by the end of the year.

Aside from this breakthrough equipment, Malabanan said the Philippine Navy, through its naval research and development branch, is developing a soldier robot for land-based combat.

"A prototype model is finished and is undergoing testing," Malabanan said.

But Malabanan said it would take time before the soldier robot project is perfected.

"Medyo mahirap malayo pa ito. Pero magaling ang Pinoy (There will be difficulties along the way and it might take time but I have confidence in the Filipino’s ingenuity)," he said.

The Naval robotic project is being undertaken via the Navy’s Self-Reliant Posture Program under the overall concept of the Department of National Defense’ Capability Upgrade Program (CUP).

lochinvar

June 28th, 2006, 02:42 PM

These machine guns maybe good for low intensity conflicts, i.e. against pirates and/or rebels. But against other neighboring navies which are fitted mostly with missiles, I am afraid these machine guns will be useless even if computerised.

June 28th, 2006, 03:15 PM

if they could also make cannons/artillery also 100% accurate by using the same methods they used with machine guns then that would be a major revolution... :) the navy is doing great to come up with this despite very poorly funded.. i hope they apply it to helicopter gunships as well.. they just need to make the computer smaller but with the programing and make just a few adjustments and i bet they could do that but only if given enough funds... sadly we do not have enough funds... :( And sadly this would be rather be developed further by other countries instead of us who originaly made it. Just like the countless inventions we made that did not even took notice they were really made by us.

nayki

June 28th, 2006, 04:18 PM

Its better to have this weapons than nothing at all. We dont posses any major treat from our neighbors so there's no reason to bother. I hope our economy will improve and the internal treats will finaly end soon, so that we can then concentrate on medernizing our armed forces especially the ill-equiped navy and airforce.

lochinvar

June 28th, 2006, 04:42 PM

As Ernest Hemingway wrote, its quiet on the western front and I hope it would stay that way. But sometimes when nations ultimately find that there is gold in dar them hills (or sea), sanity gets out of the windows and greed prevails.

kiretoce

November 8th, 2006, 05:14 PM

Bump! :colgate:

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Air Force suffers largest pilot exodus to airlines
By Joel Guinto 11/08/2006

Five percent, or around 54 of the 1,085-strong fighter pilot corps of the Philippine Air Force (PAF) (not 1,085 pilots as reported earlier) have so far resigned this year, to transfer to more high-paying jobs as commercial jet pilots, an official said Wednesday.

This year's exodus of pilots, for whose training the government spends P2.3 million annually, is the largest in the PAF's history, said Colonel Joel Marayag, Air Force assistant chief for personnel (A1).

"Generally, [the resignations] are due to financial considerations.

They want to seek greener pastures," Marayag said in a chance interview in Camp Aguinaldo.

Marayag said a PAF pilot with ranks ranging from lieutenant to captain earn around P30,000 a month, compared to the P70,000 to P100,000 salary being offered by commercial airlines.

"It's not that they're disheartened of the organization's capability because we are actually happy at the Air Force. They just really want to provide more for their families," he added.

PAF pilots are trained for eight years before they are allowed to go into combat, Marayag said.

"If they leave the military before the eighth year, then they should pay for those years that they have been trained," he said.

On Tuesday, a general court martial dismissed two moonlighting Air Force pilots, Captains Hilario Pine and Roberto Solis, and sentenced them to 30 to 60 days imprisonment.

The verdict is awaiting approval from Air Force Chief Lieutenant General Jose Reyes.

Marayag said two other Air Force captains are being investigated also on moonlighting allegations, Marayag said.

ProblemSolver

November 9th, 2006, 08:41 AM

"i think instead of buying armaments we should develop and produce our own equipment... we have the resources, we have the engineers ..."

For several years, the Philippines has always occupied the no. 2 slot in terms of immigration to the U.S., second only to Mexico. Because of this, the Philippines is now the biggest Asian community in the U.S. Corollary to this, Filipino students make up one of the biggest group in the U.S. universities. I am pretty sure there are lots of Filipinos or Fil-Ams who also have graduate degrees in engineering and technology. The government can easily tap this group if in case the Philippines decides to go to high technology armaments. If the Philippines can avail of these tall Filipinos or Fil-Ams to play basketball in the country, then tapping these Filipinos or Fil-Am genius can also be done. The Philippines just needs to set up the place and I think it is doable. For example, there are lots of these EPZA zones that just sprout overnight.

For all above requirement, whether it be submarines, surface ships, jets, and its auxiliaries, the brains and the muscles comes down to propulsion systems designs. With existing engineering toolsets, it is not that complicated to develop these systems.

More challenging would be the development of below radar range detection capability including stealth design detectors. Also, the intelligence for all above capabilities require that a semiconductor processing plant would have to be locally built and developed to accomodate indiginous application-specific integrated circuit (ASIC) designs of up to 32-bit processor. Locally designed and developed indiginous software are already available and can be made to plug into the processor to complete the process. Once this indiginous semiconductor processing plant is in place, the rest of producing analogue, digital, and mixed circuits towards production of various sensors capabilites would now follow.

While satelite technologies, acting like a transmitter in the sky, would not be complete without optical capabilties, with varying degree of coating technologies, should be easily built locally. This will expand the visual capability with increasing resolution, mostly aligning agriculture productivity and of expanding broadband communications.

So, can these all be within the immediate grasp of the Philippines? Absolutely! Existing technologies and the toolsets that can be made locally or can be purchased are available at low cost. Some, if not most of these virtual engineering softwares, applications, etc., are public domain, hence, won't be an issue. Equivalent cost of 10 F-16's can easily translate into capital input for indiginous advancement of science and engineering, where its output could easily produce sufficient surface ships, submarines, jets, satelites, and other auxiliary equipment for Philippines' own archipelagic and territorial defense and security. Most importantly, it would strengthen economic gains.

Peugeot206

November 9th, 2006, 10:54 AM

So, can these all be within the immediate grasp of the Philippines? Absolutely! Existing technologies and the toolsets that can be made locally or can be purchased are available at low cost. Some, if not most of these virtual engineering softwares, applications, etc., are public domain, hence, won't be an issue. Equivalent cost of 10 F-16's can easily translate into capital input for indiginous advancement of science and engineering, where its output could easily produce sufficient surface ships, submarines, jets, satelites, and other auxiliary equipment for Philippines' own archipelagic and territorial defense and security. Most importantly, it would strengthen economic gains.
Out of curiosity, do you have any experience within the Philippine defence industry? I am quite ignorant of it, and I would be pleasantly surprised if it is as far along as you assume it to be.

In another life, I was quite involved in engineering and the military. Now, I live in the far more boring world of finance and economics.

Anyway, for a more banal/dubious look at the militaries of other nations, you might want to check out www.fas.org and the link to foreign military weapons systems. They are organised by nation and you can take a peek at the indigenous weapons development progress in other countries. Specifically, you can see what countries roughly similar developmentally to the Philippines are up to.

India, Pakistan, various Middle/Near Eastern states, and some Asian states among others have attempted to develop weapons systems based on Western systems developed earlier.

I am reasonably familiar with the DRDO and its work in India, and broadly speaking, the development of their weapons systems like Arjun, Pinaka, and the LCA has been quite arduous. And this is a nation that has atomic weapons and spacecraft. For example, the turbofans in the Kaveri engine of the LCA kept shattering because India did not have the crystallography or metallurgy technology to make it properly. I think they ended up using Rolls Royce fans. Maybe GE, but there was the US embargo. Similarly, China has had incredible difficulty with its own J-10 based upon the Israeli Lavi, itself based on the F-16.

I'm not saying it is impossible for the Philippines, but a sustainable defence industry normally requires a relatively advanced industrial economy. Access to advanced Western military technology helps to overcome hurdles like the turbofan problem in India.

And, I hope someone can correct me, but considering the population of the Filipinos in the States, and even Canada, I don't think the number of Filipino students in engineering and the physical sciences is exactly commensurate, especially compared to the number of Chinese and Indian students. This is just my personal observation through my engineering undergrad. When I was a visiting student at another university, a Filipino immediately picked me out, saying that he was the only Filipino in the entire engineering faculty, and he stated that he was even half-Chinese.

ProblemSolver

November 9th, 2006, 07:32 PM

I think one can observe RP's defense posture are more into local separatists and local resistance, although the hierarchy from the top knows and understood the unmet challenges, whether external or internal threats, due mainly to impoverished economy. And no, I am not an insider in the Philippine Defence industry. Although more than a decade of military background combined with added decade of experiences in both military industrial complex and in private industry at the technical level provided me a first hand grasp of the technical challenges in the field of traditional propulsion systems led me to believed that emerging alternative designs could prove as well a better and cost effective applications.

Although their applications are better rendered for economic progress, military applications shouldn't be that far in progress as well so long as perceived threats are met. I'd rather have these applications better utilized to improve larger and progressing economic gains by all Filipinos. And I tend to agree that in the event of Warfare, none are winners and all are losers, if indiginous axiometric defense posturing is used to the fullest extent, one having learned during U.S. occupation and eventual pacification. One must excersise, as part of military doctrine, a coordinated resistance that can last the next 500 years. This will make every nations on earth think many ways of not invading each other.

Though strangely enough, I have not met nor seen Filipinos in the academic field dealing in advanced science and engineering in U.S. universities. There are perhaps one or two among the many potentials or those that have already gone through PhD levels or are possibly in the employ to either a defence contractor or private industry.

For military applications, U.S. universities that offered courses to basic satelites, radar, propulsion systems are off-limits to non-U.S. citizens. And within the group of U.S. cream of the crop, some advanced courses are off-limits even to U.S. citizens.

Within the military industrial complex, some U.S. PhD's are off-limited to some specific field of designs and applications. So, these military technologies are closely guarded both by U.S. and Russia.

Within the Global Technical sharing, the U.S., Russia, and other countries are quick to apply these knew ideas outside of their domain, either by intimidation, threat, bribe, or plain old copying. However, it can be noted, largely to the fast take-off of U.S. military technology applications from what remained of German military secrets in the area of rocketries, propulsions, and radar technologies including the employment of large cadres of German engineers, scientists, and researchers, that to thhis present day occupied the landmarks of NASA and some research institutions.

Out of curiosity, do you have any experience within the Philippine defence industry? I am quite ignorant of it, and I would be pleasantly surprised if it is as far along as you assume it to be.

In another life, I was quite involved in engineering and the military. Now, I live in the far more boring world of finance and economics.

Anyway, for a more banal/dubious look at the militaries of other nations, you might want to check out www.fas.org and the link to foreign military weapons systems. They are organised by nation and you can take a peek at the indigenous weapons development progress in other countries. Specifically, you can see what countries roughly similar developmentally to the Philippines are up to.

India, Pakistan, various Middle/Near Eastern states, and some Asian states among others have attempted to develop weapons systems based on Western systems developed earlier.

I am reasonably familiar with the DRDO and its work in India, and broadly speaking, the development of their weapons systems like Arjun, Pinaka, and the LCA has been quite arduous. And this is a nation that has atomic weapons and spacecraft. For example, the turbofans in the Kaveri engine of the LCA kept shattering because India did not have the crystallography or metallurgy technology to make it properly. I think they ended up using Rolls Royce fans. Maybe GE, but there was the US embargo. Similarly, China has had incredible difficulty with its own J-10 based upon the Israeli Lavi, itself based on the F-16.

I'm not saying it is impossible for the Philippines, but a sustainable defence industry normally requires a relatively advanced industrial economy. Access to advanced Western military technology helps to overcome hurdles like the turbofan problem in India.

And, I hope someone can correct me, but considering the population of the Filipinos in the States, and even Canada, I don't think the number of Filipino students in engineering and the physical sciences is exactly commensurate, especially compared to the number of Chinese and Indian students. This is just my personal observation through my engineering undergrad. When I was a visiting student at another university, a Filipino immediately picked me out, saying that he was the only Filipino in the entire engineering faculty, and he stated that he was even half-Chinese.

Rajah_Soliman

November 11th, 2006, 02:02 AM

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TheAvenger

November 12th, 2006, 04:01 PM

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F-8 on an intercept mission - Russian bear snooping on Philippineairspace
decades ago.

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Captain Ephraim G. Suyom, spokesman for the Air Defense Wing at Basa Air Base in northern Pampanga province said five of the remaining 10 F5s were still "serviceable" but all of them could be used "in case of war."
"In extreme emergency, you do what you have to do," he said.

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F8 Crusader - ready to sell sa magbabakal
any developments? may nakabili na?

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[Speed . . . oh, s@#t! no more fuel. Eject! Eject!

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Posted: Oct 25 2006, 03:29 AM
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^ thanks for the link, Sir Possible. it is interesting to see how the Americans responded to this latest malaise to hit the PAF.

with this latest incident, i am really resigned to the belief that the OV-10s are sending a message to all of us, most especially to the AFP and the government, that THEY ALREADY WANTED TO RETIRE AND GET REPLACED BY SOMETHING NEW...
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but no money - stinking politicians pocketed all the money.

PHOTOS (taken from the same usmc.mil website cited by Sir Possible):

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-- REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES-U.S. Marines from Marine Wing Support Squadron 172 and members of the Philippine Air Force carry a Philippine pilot to an awaiting ambulance after an aviation mishap at Clark Air Base in Pampanga, Oct. 24. The pilot's OV-10 Bronco aircraft swerved off the runway upon landing at the air base after completing maneuvers during joint air attack tactics (JAAT) training as part of the RP-US bilateral training exercises Talon Vision and Amphibious Landing Exercise (PHIBLEX) 2007. The annual exercises are designed to enhance interoperability and professional relations between the U.S. and Philippine Armed Forces. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Staff Sgt. Ricardo Morales)

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-- REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES-Philippine and U.S. Marine Corps Crash, Fire, Rescue teams respond to a downed Philippine Air Force OV-10 Bronco aircraft that swerved off the runway upon landing at Clark Air Base in Pampanga, Oct. 24. The Marine Aircraft Rescue Firefighting unit with Marine Wing Support Squadron 172 is attached to the 3rd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, which is currently in the Philippines participating in bilateral training exercises Talon Vision and Amphibious Landing Exercise (PHIBLEX) FY 2007. The annual exercises are designed to enhance interoperability and professional relations between the U.S. and Philippine Armed Forces. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Staff Sgt. Ricardo Morales)

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-- REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES-Philippine and U.S. Marine Crash Fire Rescue teams respond to a downed Philippine Air Force OV-10 Bronco aircraft that swerved off the runway upon landing at Clark Air Base in Pampanga, Oct. 24. The Marine Aircraft Rescue Firefighting unit with Marine Wing Support Squadron 172 is attached to the 3rd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, which is currently in the Philippines participating in bilateral training exercises Talon Vision and Amphibious Landing Exercise (PHIBLEX) FY 2007. The annual exercises are designed to enhance interoperability and professional relations between the U.S. and Philippine Armed Forces. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Staff Sgt. Ricardo Morales)

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In peace, as a wise man, he should make suitable preparation for war." - Horace

The news said we have a dozen OV10s minus 4 that crashed that leaves us 8. The question now is, how many of those remaining 8 Broncos are fit to fly? and are they going to replace those that crashed with something else?

EVEN as the exodus of Philippine Air Force (PAF) pilots to commercial airlines hit an all-time high this year, the military maintained it is not lacking for fighter pilots.

While 54 fighter pilots have resigned this year, they are set to be replaced by at least 98 fresh graduates from PAF flying schools, said Air Force spokesman Major Augusto dela Peña.

Armed Forces spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Bartolome Bacarro, for his part, said: "There will be no shortage of pilots in the Philippine Air Force."

Dela Peña said the wave of resignations "is no cause for alarm" since the number is "way below" the PAF's projected annual attrition rate of 10 percent.

The PAF currently has 1,085 fighter pilots in its 16,000-strong force.

Bacarro conceded that the relatively higher pay commercial airlines offer, which can reach as high as P100,000 monthly, compared to the PAF’s P30,000, is the main reason pilots resign from the service.

Posted: Nov 10 2006, 08:34 PM

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as long as the economic standing of our soldiers and most Filipinos do not improve, expect more PAF pilots and so many Filipinos, most especially the well-educated middle class, to seek greener pastures elsewhere.

another reason for the exodus of PAF pilots to better jobs in the airline industry: PAF's lost pride. PAF officers told ABS-CBN in one past report that it was just fine with them if they do not have relatively higher wages provided they have "something" (meaning decent multi-role fighter aircraft and other warplanes) to fly.

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In peace, as a wise man, he should make suitable preparation for war." - Horace

flipzi Posted: Nov 11 2006, 01:55 PM

QUOTE (israeli @ Nov 10 2006, 08:34 PM)
another reason for the exodus of PAF pilots to better jobs in the airline industry: PAF's lost pride. PAF officers told ABS-CBN in one past report that it was just fine with them if they do not have relatively higher wages provided they have "something" (meaning decent multi-role fighter aircraft and other warplanes) to fly.

Thats's very true.

Most military pilots have joined the Air Force to fulfill a dream and that is to fly aircrafts and serve the country.

Money is just second to "what they love to do".

But how can they sustain the PRIDE and ENTHUSIASM when they have nothing to fly anymore?

Worse, flying makes them worry about not returning alive from even the safest sortie instead of enjoying the flight.

THIS IS WHY THE MODERNIZATION PROGRAM MUST BE EXPEDITED TO UPLIFT THE MORALE AND ENTHUSIASM OF THE PILOTS, AS WELL AS OUR SAILORS AND THE INFANTRY.
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Rajah_Soliman

November 13th, 2006, 09:49 AM

nice pics.... i wasn't aware that RP has an f16 in its inventory not until you posted these pics here... wow... is it still flying? can you also post a picture of the israeli KFIR multi-role fighter?

le Reine

November 13th, 2006, 12:02 PM

^do we really have a F16? Baka naman photshopped yan ha?!

JAMAICUS

November 13th, 2006, 12:09 PM

^do we really have a F16? Baka naman photshopped yan ha?!

Nope, we really have around 20 F-5's in inventory.... and around 18 Aermacchi S-211's. Most of them were last seen in mobile mode during Erap's all out war against the Abu Sayaf... saw them myself in TV Patrol back then...

Rajah_Soliman

November 13th, 2006, 06:02 PM

any news about the "tornado" acquisition from the German Luftwaffe?... ano na ang nangyari doon :dunno:

Nope, we really have around 20 F-5's in inventory.... and around 18 Aermacchi S-211's. Most of them were last seen in mobile mode during Erap's all out war against the Abu Sayaf... saw them myself in TV Patrol back then...

Wind Shear

November 14th, 2006, 01:25 AM

^do we really have a F16? Baka naman photshopped yan ha?!

Wala tayo F-16. Just a Photoshop. Though PAF wishes to acquire one along with F/A-18 and Saab Gripen (Griffin).

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In my opinion, I go for F/A-18 and Gripen. F/A-18 because multirole aircraft and at the same time, they can carry anti-ship missiles. Gripen because of ruggednes (in fact in Sweden, they use roads as runways for fighter aircraft!)

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Such the good ole days of PAF, they can intercept Tu-98 "Bear" (noisiest aircraft ever) intruding our airspace.

bitoy

November 14th, 2006, 08:01 AM

With the sad state of the Philippine Armed Forces, Philippine Air Force pilots can only dream of flying on this:

http://www.dcmt.cranfield.ac.uk/aeroxtra/jsf-4.jpg

But, they have a better shot of flying one of this in the future.

http://www.futura-sciences.com/img/airbus_A380.jpg

OtAkAw

November 14th, 2006, 02:01 PM

So kung may giyera bigla, unahan nalang kung sino ang makakapag-hukay ng pinaka mabilis ano?

nayki

November 14th, 2006, 05:26 PM

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m142/jaime_makabayan/f8.jpg
F-8 on an intercept mission - Russian bear snooping on Philippineairspace
decades ago.

Curious lang ako matagal ko na kasi nariririnig 2ng about F-8, nagkaroon ba talaga ng pagkakataon dati na my pumasok na Russian Fighter sa Philippine airspace noong cold war? My mga nabasa kasi ako dati na e2ng mga PAF F-8 daw ang ginamit na pang intercept dun. ano po ba nangyari?

bitoy

November 14th, 2006, 06:03 PM

Curious lang ako matagal ko na kasi nariririnig 2ng about F-8, nagkaroon ba talaga ng pagkakataon dati na my pumasok na Russian Fighter sa Philippine airspace noong cold war? My mga nabasa kasi ako dati na e2ng mga PAF F-8 daw ang ginamit na pang intercept dun. ano po ba nangyari?

To escort back out of the Philippine airspace.

Wala namang dalang sidewinder missiles yung F-8, baka wala ding bala yung 4-20 MM cannon niya. :D

TheAvenger

November 14th, 2006, 06:11 PM

Is it true, a Soviet attack on the RP?
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Zero wing Posted: Oct 17 2006, 04:14 PM

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guys i just heard it from a friend that in maross time a Soviet bomber went in our airspace and our fighter fougth it and won is it true or just a rumor?or a cover up

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No attacks and no dog fights. It was the cold war era. More of an intrusion to our air space to snoop on the U.S. bases here with our PAF F-8 Crusaders doing intercepts. Of course, under the supervision of Big Brother watching their backs.

Have you heard about this?

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What i can remember is that it was a TU-95 "Bear" spy plane that entered the northern part of our territory.

The F8's just escorted it out of our territory. I am not so sure though if the F8's were our own or those from the US then.

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wow we had F8 thats cool but what haapen to the russian spy plane so this was true ??
thanks for the Ifnfo Guys

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QUOTE (Zero wing @ Oct 19 2006, 01:56 PM)
wow we had F8 thats cool but what haapen to the russian spy plane so this was true ??
thanks for the Ifnfo Guys

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The F8's just escorted it out of our territory.

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QUOTE (flipzi @ Oct 18 2006, 07:10 PM)
What i can remember is that it was a TU-95 "Bear" spy plane that entered the northern part of our territory.

The F8's just escorted it out of our territory. I am not so sure though if the F8's were our own or those from the US then.

comrade zero wing,

during the cold-war, russian bombers/reconaissaance aircrafts do overfly to our northern territory, either snooping at US installations/bases or just passing by going to and back to their eastern naval airbases, our F-8 crusaders (PAF crusaders, US supplied) always escorted them out of our territoy, and this didn't happened once, from the late 70's up to the end of the cold-war they always passed on our airspace. its always the same: they pass, we escort.

yes, we have F-8s but before the end of the cold-war these crusaders were retired, which left our F-5s to be our sole air-defence aircraft.

as for the russian bombers/recon aircraft, yes they were only escorted out of our airspace.

hoping this gives light to your inquery.

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Something like this

Imagine that fighter is our F-8s

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might as well fill some holes: yes, the soviets were poking here and there. the flights originated mostly from cam rhan bay (along with an operating squadron of mig-23, the one with the penguin logo on the tail) after the us left vietnam. night intecepts were more attention grabbing since it was done by usaf phantoms taking off at full burners. they were LOUD!!! unfortunately, the reds like doing it between 2300 and 0200, if memory serves me right. there is nothing like a sonic boom to wake you up....if you dont mind me telling you, it was great back then for an aviation buff. in our town, i grew up watching paf c-47s, f-5s, f-86s, t-33 and so on (they buzz so low, you can smell the exhaust). also saw most of the us invetory (navy/air force) from the jolly greens to the -52s. the last i saw was a flight of f-15s before i left the country, a few years before the bases closed. my age is showing, aint it....
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I see so no action took place thats good to know that once our so called Air force was feared and respected thats History to bad for the F8s u know the last i saw one is on the old air force base in manila there just setting on the small park with other old planes like our mustangs and F5s what a bad way to die

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November 15th, 2006, 02:44 AM

^^Thanks! Now I know...:)

Wind Shear

November 15th, 2006, 05:29 AM

To escort back out of the Philippine airspace.

Wala namang dalang sidewinder missiles yung F-8, baka wala ding bala yung 4-20 MM cannon niya. :D

What walang 20mm cannon? Don't you know that F-8 (F8U) Crusader is the last fighter aircraft which the primary weapon is guns? That's why they nicknamed "The Last of Gunfighters".

bitoy

November 15th, 2006, 10:04 AM

What walang 20mm cannon? Don't you know that F-8 (F8U) Crusader is the last fighter aircraft which the primary weapon is guns? That's why they nicknamed "The Last of Gunfighters".

Did you read what I posted? I said "baka wala ding bala yung 4-20 MM cannon niya" - since walang powder burn yung cannon barrel area ng PAF F-8.

Here's the USAF F-8

http://www.cloudnet.com/~djohnson/blazngun.jpg

BTW, some F-16 models have a single 20 MM multi-barrel cannon. Though not as primary weapon, it sure would take out anyone who will challenge it for a dogfight.

And I'm with the USAF. :)

Wind Shear

November 15th, 2006, 10:52 AM

Did you read what I posted? I said "baka wala ding bala yung 4-20 MM cannon niya" - since walang powder burn yung cannon barrel area ng PAF F-8.

Here's the USAF F-8

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BTW, some F-16 models have a single 20 MM multi-barrel cannon. Though not as primary weapon, it sure would take out anyone who will challenge it for a dogfight.

And I'm with the USAF. :)

No powder burns does not mean they don't have ammo. :-)

Speaking of F-16, is that the C model?

November 15th, 2006, 04:22 PM

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m142/jaime_makabayan/F5_at_Basa.jpg PAF F5
Captain Ephraim G. Suyom, spokesman for the Air Defense Wing at Basa Air Base in northern Pampanga province said five of the remaining 10 F5s were still "serviceable" but all of them could be used "in case of war."
"In extreme emergency, you do what you have to do," he said.

Philippine Air Force purchased the F-5 in 1965, putting 23 of them into service and becoming the first Southeast Asian country with supersonic fighters in inventory.

ahhh the old glory days :cheers :)

bitoy

November 15th, 2006, 06:07 PM

No powder burns does not mean they don't have ammo. :-)

Speaking of F-16, is that the C model?

Well, PAF planes are known to take off without ammunitions or ordinance and lack of fuel.

About F-16, I think the models A to D are fitted with the multi-barreled cannon unless replaced by another equipment.

TheAvenger

November 16th, 2006, 04:32 AM

Well, PAF planes are known to take off without ammunitions or ordinance and lack of fuel.

About F-16, I think the models A to D are fitted with the multi-barreled cannon unless replaced by another equipment.

no budget ... all squandered by damn politicians and those Generals like
Gen Garcia the former AFP Comptroller.

bitoy

November 16th, 2006, 04:57 AM

no budget ... all squandered by damn politicians and those Generals like
Gen Garcia the former AFP Comptroller.

Yeah, even in the 70's, only the high ranking or senior officers of the AFP can avail with the big benefits and under the table payolas.
My ninong was a PAF officer in the 50's and retired in the 70's like a pauper. If not for his children who finished their schooling in some public universities and worked overseas, they would not be able to survived with his retirement benefits.

The good ol' days of the Blue Diamond acrobatic team and PAF-USAF Air shows are long gone. And I heard, scrap metal business are very profitable now. :D

November 16th, 2006, 04:52 PM

Wala tayo F-16. Just a Photoshop. Though PAF wishes to acquire one along with F/A-18 and Saab Gripen (Griffin).

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In my opinion, I go for F/A-18 and Gripen. F/A-18 because multirole aircraft and at the same time, they can carry anti-ship missiles. Gripen because of ruggednes (in fact in Sweden, they use roads as runways for fighter aircraft!)

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Such the good ole days of PAF, they can intercept Tu-98 "Bear" (noisiest aircraft ever) intruding our airspace.

IMO, f-16 is the best choice among the three... f-16 is the cheapest of all and it is also a multirole fighter.. actually the best mulit-role attack fighter ever made in terms of performance and cheapness.. that is why it is used mainly in the frontline of israel and US airforce because it is cheap to maintain.

f-18 are also good but their purpose is to be carrier based.. we don't have carriers.

but what the hell.... we don't need them.. what we need is UAV's which more practical and cheap and easy to maintain.

UAV's can perform 24 hour surveilance in our unguardeed sea's in which traditional reconaisance jet fighters cannot do... UAV's they can spot illegal activities and call in the navy ships to intercept illegal passing ships.. probably harboring smuugled goods... terrorists and illegal fishermen. etc.. etc...

TheAvenger

November 16th, 2006, 06:23 PM

PAF Gallery - this is not photoshop but the actual PAF planes.
( though I am not sure if these planes were still flying since most
F5 of PAF were supposed to be grounded)

my previous postings of PAF planes I am not sure if they were Photoshop,
it seems our Pilots owing to no Plane to fly, they spent time daydreaming
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Northrop F-5A

The Philippine Air Force received 19 F-5As and 3 F-5Bs in 1966 during the early Marcos years. Attrition was heavy and during the early 1990s the number was reduced to only 2 airworthy F-5As which were limited to making very slow turns because of structural fatigue (both remaining aircraft actually had different camouflage patterns). Numbers have since been augmented by a few more bought from South Korea for a token US$100 each. More F5A/Bs are being sourced and these are to be upgraded with modern avionics. The PAF is in the process of selecting a new multi-role fighter, with the F-16 as the top contender.

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F-5A blessing

This was one of five ex-Korean $100 F-5As put in service in 1998. Note fin logo of 6th Fighter Squadron and nose pennant of Blue Diamonds aerobatic team.

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F-5B

Two seat version of the F-5

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F-5As
News photo of F-5As gearing up for Estrada's all-out war against Abu-Sayyaf kidnappers in Sulu. More like Erap's "macho" propaganda. Note that the fighters do not have any weapons under the wings, leaving them with just their 20mm cannon. The real work then was done by MG-520s and OV-10s with 500-pound bombs.

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Rockwell International OV-10A Bronco
Designed for counter-insurgency and observation. Maximum speed is 280 mph. Armed with 4-7.62mm (M60C) machine guns in 2 sponsons, each with 500 rounds. Can carry a maximum of 3,600 lbs. of ordnance. Note 500 lb. bombs mounted on the sponsons.

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SIAI-Marchetti S.211 Basic Trainer

Also ordered by Singapore, Brunei and Haiti, although Haiti has now disposed of theirs. Singapore is in the process of upgrading their S.211s. Philippine aircraft were assembled locally by PADC from kits. Supposedly, the purchase cost was partially offset by a counter-trade deal involving women's underwear.

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SIAI-Marchetti S.211 Basic Trainer in light attack configuration
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Sikorsky S-76 Eagle
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Sikorsky S-76 Eagle
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Sikorsky S-76 Eagle VIP
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UH-1H Huey
UH-1H Huey demonstrating casualty-evacuation techniques during the 1992 airshow at Villamor Airbase in Pasay City.

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McDonnell Douglas MD520 light helicopter
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MD520 light helicopter taking off at Villamor Airbase.
Note the 7-round 2.75 in. (70 mm) rocket pods on either side. Lately they are more often seen with two .50 caliber machine gun pods or one machine gun pod and one 7-round rocket pod.

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MD520 light helicopter in flight
MD-520 with machine gun and rocket pods.

One of the more bizarre stories I read about was of the female MD-520 pilot providing close air support to her husband's Scout Ranger team during an assault on separatist forces in Mindanao.

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MBB BO105 helicopter
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SIAI-Marchetti SF.260 WP
The PAF's basic trainer. The Philippines was supposed to have received 19 SF-260 TPs to replace earlier models in service.

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SIAI-Marchetti SF.260 light COIN aircraft
Great view of the Philippine Alps in the background. Actually, no. SF.260 light COIN aircraft dressed in Philippine markings probably for a demo in Italy.

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OV-10s over Taal Lake
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S.211s in formation
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GAF Nomad
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T-34 Mentor
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T-33 jet trainer
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S-76 Fly-by
S-76 Eagle armed with 2 .50 caliber machine gun pods escorting the Presidential helicopter during Independence day celebrations flies past the flag at Rizal Park. Cliche photo, yes, but it's my cliche photo.

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A Supersonic Fighter for Just $100?
« on: November 12, 2006, 10:07:46 am »

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A Supersonic Fighter for Just $100?
By Ryu Jin, Staff Reporter

South Korea is to sell supersonic fighters at $100 (101,000 won) per jet. It may be hard to believe, but it's no lie. The fighter jets to be sold at such a giveaway price are F-5A/Bs, which are being retired from their 40-year-long service this month.

The Ministry of National Defense and Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) said Sunday they considered selling the retired aircraft, which opened the era of supersonic fighters for the Korean Air Force in 1965, to foreign nations including Mexico and Poland.

"We have about 50 F-5A/B fighter jets at the moment, half of which are used for educational and demonstrational purposes." The ministry will consider selling the remaining half to foreign nations at $100 per unit, a KAI official said. "It's a nominal price."

He hinted that the virtual donation is part of a sales strategy to export KT-1 and T-50 supersonic trainers developed and produced by KAI to the foreign nations. "We have also sold F-5A/B fighters to the Philippines at $100 each in the past."

It is customary for a country to sell outdated military arms at a token cost, a ministry official said. But the source added that the export requires prior consent from the nation that manufactured the weapons. The F-5A/B jets were made in the United States.

South Korea purchased about 120 F-5A/B fighter jets in the late 1960s. They became the mainstay of the Air Force and played a leading role in thwarting espionage agents from North Korea until the 1970s.

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Re: A Supersonic Fighter for Just $100?
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Any details on the mechanical conditions of these F-5 A/Bs?
100$? Pwede ko ba bilin yan?

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Re: A Supersonic Fighter for Just $100?
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wow ang mura nmn ^_^, d ba kaya nmn tayo nakabili ng F-5s sa S. Korea for only 100$ is bec token of appreciation sa pgtulong ng Phils sa korean war ^_^, kaya lng kung bibilhin natin yan baka maretire na naman dahil sa maintenance cost kukulang sa budget ^^

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Re: A Supersonic Fighter for Just $100?
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Ived read a similar topic like this in another forum.as said in that forum though this may be old fighter jets but if the conditions of this planes are still good maybe we should get some to activate a squadron or maybe 2 squadron of F5 jets so that we may at least have a fighter cover.We can also use some of this planes as source of spare parts for the activated fighter squadron.Just until we will have the money to buy new MRF. Having this planes may open the door for us for future acquisition of Kt1 or t50 supersonic trainers w/c South Korea is offering.With the situation in the Korean peninsula the south Koreans are looking to have some allies, maybe we can exploit the situation to our advantage.By supporting them diplomatically or in any form in exchange for acquiring some of their military hardware like planes,Boats,Armoured vehicles ,missiles .

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Re: A Supersonic Fighter for Just $100?
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PAF has not made any serious moves to try to acquire some of the retired Singapore super-updated A-4's, how much more these F-5A's and F-5B's which may not have been updated at all. The ones we took from them for the same price some years back did not last very long otherwise we'd still have flying F-5A's

I agree with Cafgu, let's just have a well-maintained fleet of S-211, with possible augmentation from Singapore's stock for now. Every year, anyway, there are hundreds of MRF's being retired from service. When we're ready with the money, I'm pretty sure there would be hundreds of middle men willing to do business with us.
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November 16th, 2006, 06:43 PM

I just transferred the below photos from my own posting in other Thread.

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Our own Pinay warriors

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Lieutenant Junior Grade Eileen C. Domine prepares for her
maiden flight onboard a BO-105C helicopter at Sangley Point,
Cavite. The Navy’s first female aviator, Domine’s ‘check-out’
flight qualifies her to become a pilot-in-command in the
Naval Air Group (NAG). A graduate of PMA Class 1998.

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PNP SWAT

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PNP SAF

Presenting MISS GRETCHEN MALALAD 2003 Bb. PLIPINAS FINALIST!
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CANDIDATE NO. 22 – GRETCHEN MALALAD. For a non-semifinalist, she at least has the consolation of winning two special awards: Miss Red Bull Energy Drink (very fitting considering her athletic background) and the Miss Talent award for her karate demonstration. I love her swimsuit figure, as it’s one of the buffest, but I think her downfall was that pageant-patty gold-sequined gown and her not-as-pretty-but-still-very-attractive face.
Gretchen, finalist in the 2003 Bb. Pilipinas, has been a consistent medal winner for the Philippines in karatedo. She won a gold medal during the 2003 SEA Games in Vietnam.

United States of America

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US Navy MASH Nurse

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US Air Force

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Vanessa Dobos, the first aerial gunner in the USAF, HH60 Pavehawk

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US Army somewhere in the Middle East

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Vietnam

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China

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Austria

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Czecholovakia

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Korean

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Korean \SWAT

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Koreans babes at Iraq

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TheAvenger

November 16th, 2006, 09:20 PM

Israeli Defense Forces

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Chikka babes from the kibbutz

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Iranian

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Japan Defense Force

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Italian

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French

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Finland

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Sweden[/COLOR
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Swdish Crown Princess Victoria

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Swedish Crown Princess Victoria

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Swedish Crown Princess Victoria

[COLOR="Blue"]Russian

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kiretoce

November 16th, 2006, 10:01 PM

^^ What's this? The Miss GI Jane Pageant? :lol:

Lili

November 16th, 2006, 10:34 PM

Mr. Emesber is so fascinated with these military beauties. He even posted some in the SSC Ladies thread.

I guess he likes warrior women.

TheAvenger

November 16th, 2006, 11:55 PM

Mr. Emesber is so fascinated with these military beauties. He even posted some in the SSC Ladies thread.

I guess he likes warrior women.

yes my dear,
of course I like and fascinated by them.

TheAvenger

November 17th, 2006, 12:56 AM

MODERNIZATION OPTIONS

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GMA Shopping List

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Aircraft

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Ground Forces

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Naval Vessels

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SSMs

WORTH CONSIDERING:

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Ayres V-1-A Vigilante

Top speed: 230 mph level at optimum altitude; economical cruising speed 170 mph at optimum altitude
Range: 1,750 miles ferry range with drop tanks; 900 miles with internal fuel; 7 hour endurance on standard fuel
Powerplant: one Pratt and Whitney Canada PT6A-65AG Turboprop
Weight: 4,900 lbs empty, 10,500 lbs max. take off
Ceiling: 25,000 feet
Armament: Up to 4,200 lbs. of stores which may include 500 lbs bombs, 2.75 inch rocket pods, machine gun pods up to 20mm caliber, anti-armor missiles, sea mines and torpedoes
Thrush/NEDS/Vigilante Operators: USA (State Department: NEDS, US Border Patrol: Vigilante); Over 2500 Rockwell/Ayres/QA Thrush agricultural aircraft have been sold to over 65 countries.
(fr. Encyclopedia of World Military Aircraft, Amber Books, 2000)

AYRES V-1-A Vigilante as COIN Aircraft
"But it's a crop-duster!!"

Yes... but it's armored, can carry 4,200 lbs of weapons, can stay airborne for 7 hours, and is highly responsive since crop-dusters have to be able to avoid telephone lines and vehicles at the ends of fields when they make their low-level runs. It is also cheap, uncomplicated and easy to maintain.

The NEDS and Vigilante have a maximum spead of 250 mph and an economical cruising speed of 170 mph. Stall speed with flaps extended is 58 mph. With light loads the aircraft can take-off in 395 ft. Fully-loaded it will take off in 1,250 ft.

The Vigilante is said to cost only $1 million each and has an existing worldwide support network, since over 2,500 Thrush crop-dusters have been sold to over 65 countries. An added benefit to using the Vigilante in COIN duties is its low political visibility. It is harder to for the propaganda arm of an insurgent group to demonize before the world press a low-tech modified crop duster than purpose-built military aircraft. The type is also simple enough and may be suited for local production, both for internal security and in the aircraft's primary configuration for agricultural spraying and aerial fire fighting.
http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v3/v3n3/
articles/ayres.html
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles
/apj/6spr91.html

Note: Quality Aerospace acquired the assets of Ayres Aerospace in 2001.
http://www.ayrescorp.com

Other companies also offer crop dusters which could be suitably modified for COIN operation.
http://www.laneav.com/airtractor/at-802.asp

OFFERED:

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Royal New Zealand Air Force A-4 Kahu Skyhawks

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USMC A-4 Skyhawk

A-4M Skyhawk
Length: 40 ft. 3.5 in.
Wingspan: 27 ft. 6 in.
Top speed: 685 mph level, "clean" at sea level; 645 mph level, "clean" at 20,000 with 4,000 warload
Range: 2,055 miles ferry; 345 mile combat radius with 4,000 lb warload, 497 miles on a hi-lo-hi mission with sx1,000 lb bombs
Powerplant: one Pratt and Whitney J52-P-408 turbojet
Weight: 10,465 lbs empty, 24,500 lbs max. take off
Ceiling: 42,000 feet
Armament: Up to 9,155 lbs. of stores: various free-fall bombs and rocket pods, cluster bombs, AGM-65 Maverick, AIM-9 Sidewinder, GBU-16 laser guided bombs, 2 20mm cannon

A-4 Skyhawk Operators: USA, Argentina, Israel, Brazil, Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia (in storage), New Zealand (in storage)

A-4 SKYHAWK as Interim Fighter and Strike Aircraft
Regarded as a "classic" by any measure and was (and still is) a superb close-air-support and interdiction platform. It first entered service in October, 1956 and had the longest production run of any tactical aircraft at about 25 years. Total production of all variants reached 2,960 aircraft. Its original mission was the delivery of tactical nuclear weapons and it was the US Navy and Marine Corps principal ground attack aircraft, seeing extensive use in the Vietnam War.

WORTH RECONSIDERING:

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C.101CC Aviojet

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Length: 41 ft
Wingspan: 34 ft 9 in
Top speed: 501 mph "clean" at 20,000 feet
Range: ferry: 2000 nautical miles (3706 km), combat radius 280 nm (519 km) on a lo-lo-lo interdiction mission with one cannon pod and four 551 lb bombs, or 200 nm (370 km) on a lo-lo-lo close support mission with cannon pack, four rocket launchers and two 276 lb bombs, 520 nm (964 km) on a hi-lo-hi photo reconnaissance mission
Powerplant: Garret TFE731-5-1J (4,300 lb. st.)
Weight: 7,716 lbs empty, 13,889 lbs. max. take off
Ceiling: 42,000 ft.
Armament: 4,960 lbs of ordnance in six underwing and one centerline pylon.
Operators: Spain, Chile, Honduras, Jordan
CASA C.101 AVIOJET as Basic/Advanced Trainer and Strike Aircraft
Trainer and light strike aircraft designed by CASA of Spain with assistance from MBB and Northop. Operated by Spain, Chile, Honduras and Jordan, with more than 120+ in service.

The type was offered to the Philippine Air Force to function as both basic and advanced jet trainer but lost the bid. The plan adopted by the PAF then was to buy the Italian SIAI-Marchetti S211 basic trainers and the British BAe Hawk for advanced training (the S211s were eventually delivered but the Hawk deal was shelved). The cost of the C101 as offered was said to be comparable to the cost of the S211s when the deal was signed.
CASA is now part of EADS.

PROPOSED:

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Tiger III cockpit

F-5E
Length: 47 ft 4.7 in
Wingspan: 26 ft 8 in
Top speed: 1,082 mph
Range: 1,543 miles ferry with maximum fuel. Combat radius with maximum fuel and 2 Sidewinder missiles 656 miles
Powerplant: two 5,000-lb afterburning thrust General Electric J85-GE-21 B turbojets
Weight: 9,723 lbs empty, 24,722 lbs. max. take off
Ceiling: 51,800 ft.
Armament: Two 20 mm M39 cannon with 280 rounds per gun; provision for 3175 kg (7,000 Ib) of disposable stores, including Sidewinder AAMs, ASMs, free-fall bombs, cluster bombs, dispenser weapons, rocket-launcher pods, cannon pods, drop tanks and ECM pods carried on five external hardpoints and two wing tip missile rails

Operators: Bahrain, Brazil, Chile, Honduras, Indonesia, Iran, Jordan, Kenya, Malaysia, Mexico, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Korea, Sudan, Switzerland, Taiwan, Thailand, Tunisia, USA, Yemen

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-5.htm
http://members.tripod.com/Wobert/f5.html
http://aeroweb.brooklyn.cuny.edu/specs/northrop/f-5e.htm
http://www.airforce-technology.com/contractors/modifications/elbit/
http://www.iai.co.il/dows/dows/Serve/item/English/1.6.2.6.html
http://www.dercoaerospace.com/F5upgrade/default.asp

Sao Paulo Gazeta Mercantil - January 24, 2002 Article on CLW website
F-5E/F TIGER II as Interim Fighter
The F-5E "Tiger II" was a greatly improved version of the earlier F-5A "Freedom Fighter". Redesigned as a highly maneuverable, lightweight and inexpensive air superiority fighter, the -E featured an air-to-air fire control radar system and a lead computing gunsight. More powerful J85 engines required the fuselage to be both widened and lengthened. The forward wing root was redesigned to give the "Tiger II" wing its characteristic triple delta shape.

The first flight of the F-5E was on 11 August 1972. The first USAF unit to receive the aircraft was the 425th TFS at Williams AFB, Arizona responsible for training foreign pilots in the F-5 aircraft.

A total of 1,166 F-5E , 241 F-5F and 12 RF-5E were produced by Northrop and under license in Switzerland, South Korea and Taiwan.

A number of companies offer upgrade packages for the F-5. The packages are popular because of the aircraft's sound design and widespread use, and will ensure that the type will serve for many more years.

Many surplus F-5E/Fs are currently available.

The Philippines was studying the possibility of acquiring surplus F-5E/Fs from Saudi Arabia, which is replacing the type with F-15s. Taiwan was reported to have offered the Philippines F-5s at a low price of $1 million each, although this was earlier denied by officials in Taiwan, which received a total of 306 F-5E/Fs from the US or from AIDC. More recent statements by US Congressman Dana Rohrbacher and the Philippine government confirmed that negotiations are underway for the transfer of up to 24 Taiwanese F-5E/Fs. Sources have said the deal involves payment of a token fee, a state visit by the Taiwanese head-of-state, fishing rights to the channel between Taiwan and Batanes, and the use of facilities at the former US Clark Airbase for training purposes. While the aircraft are badly needed the political implications of the conditions may make the deal unworkable. The Philippines had previously received several F-86 fighters from Taiwan before adopting its "one China" policy. The current handful of F-5As operated by the PAF were sold to the Philippines by South Korea for the "friendship" price of US$100 each in recognition of the Philippine's role in the Korean War.

WORTH CONSIDERING:

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Royal New Zealand Air Force MB.339C

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Eritrean MB.339FD

MB.339C as sold to the RNZAF
Length: 36 ft. 10.5 in.
Wingspan: 39 ft. 9.75 in.
Top speed: 560 mph (level, "clean" at sea level)
Range: 1,367 miles ferry with drop tanks; 196 miles on a lo-lo-lo attack mission with four 500 lb. bombs; 311 miles on a hi-lo-hi attack mission with four 500 lb. bombs
Powerplant: one Piaggio-built Rolls-Royce Viper Mk 680-43 rated at 4,400 lb. st. dry
Weight: 7,297 lbs empty, 13,999 lbs max. take off
Ceiling: more than 48,000 feet
Armament: Six underwing hardpoints for up to 4,000 lbs. of stores: various free-fall bombs and rocket pods, cluster bombs, AGM-65 Maverick, AIM-9 Sidewinder or MATRA Magic IR missiles, gun pod with one DEFA 30mm cannon with 120 rounds, or another type with a .50 caliber MG and 350 rounds.

MB.339 Operators: Argentina, Dubai, Eritrea, Ghana, Malaysia, New Zealand, Nigeria, Venezuela and Peru

Note:
Aermacchi acquired SIAI Marchetti in 1997. SIAI-Marchetti made the S211 and SF260 trainers which the Philippine Air Force operates. Aermacchi also sells the AMX, a joint project with Alenia and Embraer of Brazil.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mb339/
http://www.aermacchi.com/index.htm AERMACCHI MB.339 as Basic/Advanced Trainer and Strike Aircraft
Developed using experience gained from its highly successful MB.329 jet trainer of which nearly 800 were produced. First prototype flew August 1976 and first production aircraft delivered to the Italian Air Force in August 1979. Provides basic and advanced training in the Italian Air Force. The "Macchis", as they are known, also equip the 313 Gruppo Pattuglia Aerobatica Nazionale, the renowned Italian national aerobatic team. It has been used in the ground attack role by Argentina against British Forces in the Falkands and by Eritrea in their war with Ethiopia. Also operated by the air forces of Dubai, Ghana, Malaysia, New Zealand, Nigeria, and Peru. The type has over 500,000 flying hours to it in different operational and climatic environments.

In an armed capacity, MB.339 can carry up to 4,000 lbs of external stores on six underwing pylons, including 2 30mm DEFA cannon. It has been cleared to operate with AIM-9L/P Sidewinder AAMs.

The MB.339C was developed as a relatively low-cost lead-in fighter trainer from the basic MB.339 with advanced nav/attack systems and provision for ground and naval strike roles. Equipment include a Litton LR80 twin-gyro INS, GEC avionics 620K tactical area navigation system, ARINC 429 databus, a GEC AD-660 Doppler velocity sensor, Kaiser Sabre HUD/WAC, Aeritalia TV Maverick-compatible multi-function CRT display and Elettronica ELT-156 radar warning receiver.

The MB.339C is equipped to operate weapons such as the Maverick, Marte 2, AS34 Kormoran anti-ship missile and laser guided bombs.

The Royal New Zealand Air Force was the first buyer of the -339C having ordered 18 in 1990 for US$157 million to replace its aging BAC Strikemasters. The orders were deliverd 1991 to 1993. There were initial problems with the aircraft which Aermacchi subsequently rectified. With the abolition of the armed component of New Zealand's air force, the Macchis have become redundant. The MB.339s are currently grounded due to pilot stress (at seeing the end of their careers as fighter pilots) and the aircraft will be sold December 2001.

The latest version is the MB.339FD, or Full Digital, for the advanced fighter training role, covering weapon system management in a high performance, high maneouverability aircraft. The FD has been bought by Venezuela and Eritrea.

UPDATE:

The 17 ex-RNZAF MB.339s were purchased by the Malaysian Government. The auction was conducted by the international consultancy group Ernst and Young.

OFFERED:
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Lockheed Martin F-16A

Length: 49 ft. 4 in.
Wingspan: 31 ft.
Top speed: Mach 2.0
Range: 2,418 miles ferry with drop tanks; 340 miles on a hi-lo-hi mission with six 1,000 lb. bombs
Powerplant: one Pratt and Whitney F100-P-100, 14,760 lbs dry, 23,830 lbs with afterburning
Weight: 14,567 lbs empty, 33,000lbs max. take off
Ceiling: more than 50,000 feet
Armament:
One internal 20-mm M61A1 Vulcan cannon with 511 rounds; AIM-9L/M/P Sidewinder missiles or MATRA Magic 2 or Rafael Python; AGM65 Maverick; assorted free-fall bombs; Penguin anti-ship missiles (Norway). Block 15 ADF have the ability to launch the AIM-7 Sparrow and AIM-120 AMRAAM BVR missile. F-16 C/D Block 30/32 onwards have the ability to carry the AGM-45 Shrike, AGM-88 HARM, Harpoon and AIM-120 AMRAAM, while LANTIRN equipped aircraft can launch GBU-10 and GBU-12 laser guided bombs.

Operators: Bahrain, Belgium, Denmark, Egypt, Greece, Indonesia, Israel, Jordan, The Netherlands, Norway, Pakistan, Portugal, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, United States of America, Venezuela
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-16.htm
http://www.f-16.net/
F5 vs. F-16:
http://www.afrc.af.mil/HQ/citamn/Aug97/Tiger.html

LOCKHEED-MARTIN F-16 FIGHTING FALCON
The F-16 Fighting Falcon is the most numerous fighter in the West and is the current top seller. For the year 2000 Lockheed-Martin garnered more than 50% of all worlwide fighter orders. Over 220 F-16s were sold that year, pushing total F-16 production to 4,285 aircraft when current orders are filled in 2006.

The Fighting Falcon was concieved as a lightweight "no-frills" fighter for air-to-air combat but has evolved into a versatile and effective multi-role workhorse. Prototype first flew in 1974 and delivery of operational aircraft began in 1979. It was designed to outfight the Mig-21 Fishbed and can match the Mig-29 for sheer agility, while remaining a first-class bomb truck. It is highly maneuverable and is currently the yardstick with which dogfighting ability is measured. F-16s have shot down 69 aircraft in various engagements with no air-to-air losses.

Block 15 F-16 A/Bs are the oldest Falcons in service with the USAF, all pre-15 blocks having been retired in the early 1990s because of wing cracks and afterburner problems. All F-16 A/Bs currently have air-to-ground work as their primary duty, with air combat secondary, except for Block 15 ADFs (Air Defense Fighters). The F-16 ADF is the only interceptor currently assigned to air defence of the North American continent. Modifications include upgrading the APG-66 radar, provisions for AIM-7 Sparrow and AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles, advanced IFF, a night identification light and improved ECCM, among others.

F-16C/Ds are basically similar to A/Bs but have greater accent on "smart" weapons. Considering other deals for aircraft of this type, C/D models are out of the Philippine government's price range.

The US had offered the Philippines the 28 embargoed Pakistani Block 15 F16A/Bs in storage at Davis-Monthan Airbase but the government at that time wanted F16 C/Ds. One senator even remarked that the embargoed F-16s, which had only a few hours in them, were "old stock", and that since we were going to spend a lot of money anyway, we might as well buy the best that is available. Murphy's Law being a universal constant, the Asian economic crisis came, along with another more sinister, more chaotic event - the 1998 presidential elections. Funds dried up, currency devalued and reality bit hard. The US then offered the embargoed F-16s to New Zealand and the Philippines tagged along to try out New Zealand's 30-year old A-4 Skyhawks, which the F-16s were to replace. The US was even willing to finance the sale of the Skyhawks to us to induce the Kiwis to buy the Falcons. In the end, the new NZ government scrapped the armed component of their air force and the US absorbed the Falcons into service (see RNZAF deal details below).

More recently, Pratt and Whitney, one of the manufacturers of the F-16's engines, has signified its willingness to assist the Philippines in buying F-16s by offering a counter-trade agreement. (F-16s up to Block 25 and Blocks 32, 42 and 52 had PW engines. Blocks 30, 40, 50 and 60 used GE engines) Most likely the deal will be for Block 10 or 15 F-16 A/Bs similar to the deals being offered by the US to several former Warsaw Pact countries.

Previous counter-trade deals entered into by the Philippines include the deal for the Italian S.211 trainers, the aircraft purchase being offset in part allegedly by large quantities of women's underwear. F-16 deals:

OFFERED:

IAI Kfir

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Israeli Aircraft Industries Kfir C.7
Length: 53 ft. 8 in.
Wingspan: 27 ft
Top speed: Mach 2.3
Range: 2000 miles ferry; 482 miles on a hi-hi-hi interception mission with two Shafrir or Python AAMs, one 825 liter and two 1300 liter drop tanks; 548 miles on a 1 hour CAP with two Shafrir or Python AAMs, on 1700 liter and two 1300 liter drop tanks; 737 miles on a hi-lo-hi attack mission with two 800 lb. and two 400 lb. bombs, two Shafrir or Python AAMs, one 1300 liter and two 1700 liter drop tanks
Powerplant: One General Electric J79-J1E afterburning turbojet, 18,750 lb thrust
Ceiling: 58,000 ft
Weight: 16,060 lb empty / 36,376 lb max. take off
Armament:
Two DEFA 553 30mm cannons with 140 rounds each, plus up to 13,415 lb of external stores including AAMs, cluster bombs, free-fall bombs, laser guided bombs, Gabriel anti-ship missiles, Durandal anti-runway bombs, AGM-65 Maverick ASMs, napalm tanks, ECM pods, or drop tanks

Operators: Colombia, Ecuador, Sri Lanka, Israel (in reserve)
http://www.dapss.com/MPI/X/Vol.10/issue1200/1200C-sri_lanka.htm
http://www.fas.org/spp/aircraft/part09.htm
http://www.dapss.com/MPI/X/Vol.10/issue1200/1200C-sri_lanka.htm
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher4/f21.html
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/almanac/spanish/colombia/kfir-c7.htm
http://www.clw.org/cat/newswire/nw062001.html#Brazil

IAI KFIR as Interim Fighter
Development of the Kfir (lion cub) was started to overcome a French embargo of Mirage aircraft in the period following the 1967 Six-Day War. It is essentially a modified Mirage V airframe with a US General Electric J-79 engine (as used in the F-4 Phantom). Plans for the Mirage were stolen from Switzerland which license produced the Mirage, and from the French themselves. The first Kfirs entered service in 1974 but were not revealed to the public until April 1975.

The United States leased 25 Kfir C.1s from Israel from 1985 onwards for use as aggressors in dissimilar air combat training with the Navy and Marine Corps and were used for a few years under the F-21 designation until replaced by F-16Ns and F-5Es

The C.7 is a later version with more capable electronics, improved radar and added weapons capacity and is optimized for the ground attack role.

Israel has been constantly wooing successive Philippine administrations to buy the Kfir. From President Aquino's time, IAI has offered the C.2 variant in exchange for carageenan (a seaweed extract - gulaman), later the C.7 variant at US$144 million for 18 C.7s ($7 million for each C.7 and $16 million for each TC.7 2-seat trainer), and currently, the Kfir 2000 or C.10 which uses avionics and weapons systems from the cancelled Lavi fighter project. The Kfir 2000 uses the advanced IAI/Elta ELM-2032 multi-role radar (which is claimed to be better than the US APG-73 as fitted in the F/A-18) and a modern missionized avionics suite tailored and integrated to meet the customers requirements. The Israelis have also reportedly offered the Philippines the Alto/Derby BVR air-to-air missile, with an effective engagement envelope of 50 km (31 miles).

All examples sold are upgraded ex-IAF aircraft from stocks currently stored awaiting buyers at Ben Gurion airport.

Notes
If we were to believe the low figure of four aicraft, that comes up to US$6 million per plane, slightly less than the $7 million price tag quoted for each C.7 when the Memorandum of Understanding regarding the offer was signed by the Philippine government in 1992.

OFFERED:

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RAPTOR precision guided glide-bomb (South Africa)

Dassault Mirage F1C
Length: 50 ft. 2 in.
Wingspan: 27 ft. 7 in.
Top speed: Mach 2.2
Range: ??? miles ferry; 264 miles on a hi-lo-hi attack mission with 7,714 lbs of ordnance (14 x 551 lb bombs); 373 miles on a lo-lo-lo attack mission with six 551 lb bombs and two drop tanks; 863 miles on a hi-lo-hi attack mission with two 551 lb bombs and three drop tanks.
Weight: 16,314 lbs empty/35,715 lbs maximum take off
Powerplant: one SNECMA Atar 9K-50 rated at 11,023 lbs dry, 15,785 lbs with afterburning.
Ceiling: 65,615 feet.
Armament:
AIM-9 Sidewinder or MATRA Magic IR missiles, 2 DEFA 553 30-mm cannon with 125 rounds each, ARMAT anti-radiation missile, assorted free-fall bombs. Iraqi F1Es carry Exocet anti-ship missiles. Maximum external stores: 13,889 lbs.

Operators: France, Greece, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait (withdrawn following delivery of F-18s), Morocco, South Africa, Spain, Libya
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mirage-f1.htm
http://www.armscor.co.za/Marketing/StockSales/mirage.asp
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Capsule/6480/MirageF1.htm
http://www.armscor.co.za/Marketing/StockSales/raptor.asp

DASSAULT MIRAGE F1 as Interim Fighter
The original 15-year AFP modernization plan called for the purchase of 36 multi-role fighters, with Dassault offering the Philippines

The negotiations for buying new aircrafts for PAF and hardwares for other AFP units were begun
since 1992, apparently no aircrafts was bought yet owing many damned corrupt politicians of both
administration and opposition have squandered the money, like Joke Joke Bolante buying fertilizers for the buildings in urban areas.

bitoy

November 17th, 2006, 06:38 PM

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Maraming pinaiyak na Airmen at deployed Marines yang all female crew of that C-130 from 737th Expeditionary Airlift Squadron.
Hehehe, Lt. Couturier(3rd from left) is "crush ng bayan" from Pope AFB, N.C.

Here's my crush right now.

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Maj. Nicole "Fifi" Malachowski, USAF ~ the first woman pilot selected to fly as part of the Air Force Air Demonstration Squadron, better known as the Thunderbirds.

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Capt. Nicole "Fifi" Malachowski at a deployed location in Southwest Asia before being selected with The Thunderbirds.

Hehehe, sana meron ang Pinas na ganyan, di bale na walang eroplano. :)

(me asawa na sila) :nuts:

ProblemSolver

November 18th, 2006, 05:35 AM

I'm not saying it is impossible for the Philippines, but a sustainable defence industry normally requires a relatively advanced industrial economy. Access to advanced Western military technology helps to overcome hurdles like the turbofan problem in India.

A Function of Materials Library, Sharp Engineering Analysis, Simulation; and Good Engineering Judgement.

I think from what had happened in India's turbofan issue is that something was remiss in the total engineering analysis. Today's engineering analysis/simulation provides ten if not hundreds of thousands of materials properties embedded in latest databases. A dynamicist should be able to spot problems early on. And from what was gathered that a metallurgy (combination of similar and dissimilar metal properties) was chosen incorrectly leading up to turbofan disintegration subject to test was part of the problem aside from combination of dynamic or design flaws. Unless their analysts didn't use simulation tools (which are fairly common even to a small group of engineers, let alone a national organization such as India's military design group) or may have incorrectly interpereted data gathered, or that they may have insufficiently provided setup of testing and measurement to unmask problems at prototypical level, then other engineering issues such good engineering judgment could be at play.

Today's technology in the area of advanced analysis and simulations doesn't need advanced economies including prototypical production. How many engineers involved in the core design, analysis, to prototypical analysis usually consist of less than 50 engineering personnel. Most of current corporations started out from 3-5 engineers who formed the core group that led up to technological breakthroughs.

So, from Philippine perspective, with 3-5 engineers, viewing it similar to a vast manufacturing facility is as much have impact equal to thousands of untrained engineers. So, it can be done, and it can be done cheaply.

Dr_Joe

November 20th, 2006, 10:25 AM

this is nice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zwn_cw7Q4k

bitoy

November 20th, 2006, 09:39 PM

^^ Those equipments would be nice if they are using them for what they are suppose to do.

No one heard of any counter insurgent being implemented by that Philippine special ops teams, but instead, they are assigned to guard the perimeter of Malacañang Palace or naka-tambay lang sa camp nila.

:lol: mga takot ma-agaw baril sa Mindanao.....

Rajah_Soliman

November 29th, 2006, 07:33 PM

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Members of the Philippine Army?s newly upgraded Light Armor Division stand in front of Simba and Scorpion tanks during a formal activation ceremony at Camp O?Donnell in Capas, Tarlac yesterday. - Photo By EDD GUMBAN

heathcliff

November 30th, 2006, 11:23 AM

^
Sabi nga ni former DND Sec. Avelino Cruz, one of the positive developments in the military is the intensified operations against the CPP-NPA and the modernization program.

bitoy

December 12th, 2006, 09:10 PM

The intensified operations against the CPP-NPA and the modernization program.

But they are still hanging around on their base. Parada..inspection...parada...inspection...parada...inspection... I'm ready to admit that we really have "Sundalong Kanin" on hand.

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Soldiers stand in formation during a counter-terrorism inspection at the military headquarters in Manila

Berting

December 30th, 2006, 09:40 PM

I thought they sold part of Fort Bonifacio land for RP military modernization program ? What happened to the proceeds?

nayki

December 31st, 2006, 01:57 AM

nayki

December 31st, 2006, 02:01 AM

By Roel Pareño
The Philippine Star 12/29/2006

ZAMBOANGA CITY – An Air Force attack helicopter crashed while landing at Zamboanga International Airport after a routine maintenance flight yesterday.

The helicopter’s two pilots were injured according to Col. Reynaldo Ramirez, Philippine Air Force 3rd Tactical Operations Wing commander.

Ramirez said Capt. Jocelyn Patrimonio and 1Lt. Vicentino Quirante were taken to Edwin Andrews Air Base hospital in Zamboanga City for treatment.

"But they are in stable condition," he said. "The pilots misjudged the ground distance while executing the touch-and-go flight causing the plane to crash."

Despite the crash, the Air Force will not ground its fleet of MG-520 attack helicopters, Ramirez said.

However, Air Force spokesman Maj. Augusto dela Peña said the Air Force might ground more than 20 other US-made MG520s if indications would show that the accident was caused by a mechanical defect.

Superintendent Ybar Padao, Zamboanga City Aviation Security Group chief, said the helicopter was landing when it suddenly crashed on the runaway.

The cause of the crash is still unknown, he added.

A commercial flight from Manila was diverted to Cebu, but was later allowed to land in Zamboanga City after the runway had been cleared, Padao said.

Originally, the Air Force had about 25 attack helicopters but several have been lost in accidents over the years. — With James Mananghaya, AP, AFP

http://www.philstar.com/philstar/NEWS200612290413.htm

renell

December 31st, 2006, 02:04 AM

And those things are valuable in COIN operations.

I like how those photos look like we're pretty high tech, with the goggles and nice shiny M4 rifles.. those Scorpion tanks too, you never see them used in Mindanao, mostly they are V-300 and V-150 APCs in operation there. but their tracks are pretty useless in the mud and jungles.

Skyblade

December 31st, 2006, 02:07 AM

Haaay nabawasan nananaman ang iilang chopper ng Phil Air Force.. Recently an MG-520 Gunship Helicopter crashed while a lady pilot was a taking landing exercise, the chopper was totaly wrecked. The cause of the crash: Pilot error. The MG-520 is the best attact helicopter of the PAF and there are only few left in the inventory.:ohno:
There goes another one...:( Originally the number was 28 with 22 delivered in 1990 and 6 in 1992. The loss of this one brings the inventory down to 19ish with 75-80% that are operationally ready. This loss is definitely not good for this hard-pressed gunship of PAF...

Migan

December 31st, 2006, 10:00 AM

is this the url for the official website of the armed forces of the philippines? --> http://www.afp.mil.ph

if so it doesn't seem to work in my browser or perhaps the site is down.

i guess for now our military needs to concentrate more on adequately equipping themselves specifically against internal threats like the npa and terrorist organizations. we are an archipelago comprised of more than 7,000 islands. we need better mobility. scout planes and choppers are a must for patrolling areas that span islands. perhaps we also need more cargo/transport aircraft to efficiently deploy our troops and equipment if ever an alert was raised. more cheap c-160's would help and if we could afford even just a handful of those UH-60L black hawks, why not? pres. arroyo has one! we need light armored, fast mobility vehicles more than heavy, slower ones since our opponents use guerilla tactics and are usually based in remote, dense forests/jungles. i think hummers/humvee's are a practical choice if not those lan strykers. if ever we were to purchase planes, multi-role fighters should be favored since most of them could both act the role of escorts and bombers. i bet six general dynamics f-16's would do the job. two for each major island. we should also invest on equipment better suited for night warfare since we are again dealing with terrorists and guerillas. so more night vision goggles are a must. we need to be more capable of detecting bombs and defusing them as well. we also lack high-speed patrol boats to cover our shorelines.

so my military wishlist at the moment woud be:

1. c-160 transport/cargo planes
2. uh-60 black hawks
3. military hummers and LAV III stryker platforms
4. gd f-16 falcons
5. ip 25'-40' interceptor patrol boats

:)

jjpaul_c

December 31st, 2006, 10:49 AM

^Some of your list are part of the modernazation program agreed to be delivered by the US. Night Vission, GPS etc are being utilize by RP special force in Basilan and Jolo Islands. Now, it seem the program will be scrap with the Subic rape incident. Not unless RP gets them somewhere else with full prize.

AH-7Raja

December 31st, 2006, 03:01 PM

more photos:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/enriquezdave/mil/z1.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/enriquezdave/mil/z2.jpg

hey u guys seen my slideshow yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unVnu3jaWhg

Migan

December 31st, 2006, 03:35 PM

^^ our troops look pretty cool with those night vision goggles, PASGT helmets, and carbines huh?! instead of the usual m16 rifles and vietnam war style mama-san uniforms. kulang nalang gawin nila digital camo lahat ng uniforms nila bangis na!

btw, i like the transition from that row of coffins to the skyline of makati. i find it the most moving part of your slideshow presentation. nice job! :okay:

^Some of your list are part of the modernazation program agreed to be delivered by the US. Night Vission, GPS etc are being utilize by RP special force in Basilan and Jolo Islands. Now, it seem the program will be scrap with the Subic rape incident. Not unless RP gets them somewhere else with full prize.oh thats too bad huh? perhaps we can get it somewhere else if things don't go too well with the vfa thingy. if not then screw them let's invent our own gears! :banana:

hey hey we invented the moon buggy after all! :)

AH-7Raja

January 1st, 2007, 01:10 AM

btw, i like the transition from that row of coffins to the skyline of makati. i find it the most moving part of your slideshow presentation. nice job! :okay:

:)

i know... salamat bro sa compliments. :)

amras

January 1st, 2007, 01:46 AM

hey what was that third song you played in the video? that was very nice

jjpaul_c

January 1st, 2007, 12:20 PM

Bilikatan
Photo and Captioned by: Charlie Saceda from Flickr

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US soldier dress up in a mosaic of engineering vehicles on board USS Georgetown docked off the Basilan island coast in the southern Philippines.

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A convoy of US soldiers and engineering equipment rolls on a remote highway in Basilan island for the RP-US joint military exercises in the southern Philippines.

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A US engineering officer directs his men after setting foot on Basilan island for the first time in the southern Philippines for the RP-US joint military exercises.

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A US soldier guards inside the US encampment - Camp John Bradley, beside a Philippine army camp in a remote coastal village in Basilan province, southern Philippines.

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A US soldier fires his M4 assault rifle at a firing range in a ranger camp in Basilan island, southern Philippines

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Filipino soldiers rest at a firing rang in San Roque, Zamboanga City while on an RP-US joint military exercise

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Soldiers rest during lunch at a firing range in Zamboanga City

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US soldiers sit under a coconut tree after a day's road building work in the remote town of Maluso, Basilan island, southern Philippines.

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A US soldier supervises a Filipino trooper during drills at the San Roque firing range in Zamboanga City

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A US military doctor checks on a baby during a medical mission in the remote village in Basilan island, southern Philippines

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Just another normal day at the office. A plane load of 20 US Marines and members of the Philippine Army loaded to bear and along for the ride

jjpaul_c

January 1st, 2007, 12:23 PM

Philippine Marines
Photo and Captioned by: Charlie Saceda

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Marines board a navy transport ship after a send-off ceremony at the Majini pier in Zamboanga City. The marines will be deployed in Sulu.

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No more new year's break for these marine soldiers who are on they way to the frontline on a continued operation against the Abu Sayyaf.

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With a dimmed flashlight, Marine soldiers plan out maneuvers during a night patrol in Sumisip, Basilan province. The Marines are on high hopes to quell the Abu Sayyaf bandits.

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Filipino Marine soldiers prepare to be deployed in Sulu, southern Philippines to battle the terrorist Abu Sayyaf and the Moro National Liberation Front renegades

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Filipino marine soldiers off load from a Navy transport ship at the Majini port of the Naval Forces South in Zamboanga CIty, southern Philippines. The Marines are bound for the Sulu province to combat the renegade forces of the Moro National Liberation Front and the Abu Sayyaf terrorist.

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Filipino marine troopers set up a 105mm mortar tube during the send off ceremonies of the 10th Marine Battalion Landing team in Zamboanga City, southern Philippines. The Marines will be deployed in Sulu province to combat the renegade forces of the rebel group Moro National Liberation Front and the terrorist group Abu Sayyaf who are still holding two American and a Filipino.

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marine drops an 81mm mortar for firing as shelling continue while clearing operations are conducted in Sumisip, Basilan province

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A navy crew lowers the Philippine flag on a patrol boat guarding the coast of Basilan province

Philippine Scout Rangers
Photo and Captioned by: Charlie Saceda

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A Philippine Army scout ranger officer maps out plans of attack on a possible enemy objective somewhere in the jungles of Basilan province, southern Philippines

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Philippine Army scout ranger officers huddle before a crack down on a possible Abu Sayyaf hideout

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Members of the Philippine Army scout ranger walk through the jungles of Upper Manggas in Basilan province, Southern Philippines. The military continues its operation versus the Abu Sayyaf bandits

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Philippine Army scout rangers cross a creek in possible Abu Sayyaf hideouts in the jungles of Basilan province, southern Philippines.

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jjpaul_c

January 1st, 2007, 12:27 PM

Philippine Army
Photo and Captioned by: Charlie Saceda

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Soldiers’ set-up barbed wires on the perimeter in Basilan province, southern Philippines

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An army sniper guards on a perimeter in the jungles of Basilan island, southern Philippines

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Randon Pictures of the Philippine Military

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WEAPON TACTICS TRAINING--Army Col. Marlon Sabug, commanding chief of the 106 Community Defense Center of the Philippine Army Reserved Unit supervise in the weapon tactics training among the students of the University of Cordilleras who are members of the Reserved Officers Training Course (ROTC) Sgt Bagyan (center) handles the weapon training held at the Baguio Athelectic Bowl the other Day. More students in the various unibersities in Baguio City are now very active in their ROTC course perhaps for military training purposes.--photo by THOM F.PICANA

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Philippine Army troops riding on a pick-up truck patrol the main hi-way leading to North Cotabato as fighting rages between the military and Moro Islamic Liberation Front rebels in Maguindanao.--photo by Joe Galvez

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A Philippine military UH-1H helicopterflies over the vast Liguasan marsh in Maguindanao in search of Moro Islamic Liberation Front rebels who use the marshland to conceal or transport weapons and other military hardware. .--photo by Joe Galvez

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Muslim evacuees who fled the fighting between Philippine troops and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front rebels, find safety at an evacuation center. .--photo by Joe Galvez

One of the Adversaries

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Members of the Moro National Liberation Front in North Cotabato raise their firearms in the air as they remain neutral during the fighting between Philippine troops and rival MILF rebels. .--photo by Joe Galvez

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Two Moro National Liberation Front regulars man a checkpoint in the hinterlands of Lanao.--photo by Joe Galvez

jjpaul_c

January 1st, 2007, 12:30 PM

Winning hearts and minds in Maguindanao

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A Philippine soldier plays with a young evacuee who fled the fighting between the military and Moro Islamic Liberation Front rebels in Sharif Aguak, Maguindanao. .--photo by Joe Galvez

jjpaul_c

January 1st, 2007, 12:33 PM

"STRONG and WEAK"

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The Philippine Army...epitomy of strength connects with the victims of super typhoon Reming

Photo by: deyedoctor

bitoy

January 1st, 2007, 05:56 PM

@jjpaul_c - Thanks for those photo journals of the Philippine Military. Expecting more from you and others.

AH-7Raja

January 3rd, 2007, 05:24 PM

nice... thanks for the photos jjpaul! :)

gee

January 3rd, 2007, 05:32 PM

TheAvenger

January 3rd, 2007, 05:56 PM

AFP ARMOR

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AIFV

United Defense AIFV (Armored Infantry Fighting Vehicle) during Independence Day parade. The AIFV is essentially an improved M113, with better firepower, mobility and armor.

Main armament is a 25mm Oerlikon KBA cannon with a co-axial 7.62mm machine gun. The US did not adopt this vehicle, instead adopting the much heavier and more complex (not to mention expensive) Bradley series of infantry fighting vehicles, also built by FMC, now United Defense. In service with the Netherlands (850 vehicles), Belgium (514 vehicles, license produced) and Turkey (variant, 650 AIFVs, 1350 other vehicles based on same chassis). Other users include Bahrain and Egypt. Daewoo of South Korea produces a vehicle called the KIFV which looks externally similar to the AIFV except that it has the old M113 armored ring-mounted .50 cal machine gun instead of the 25mm turret. The KIFV uses a MAN V8 diesel (280 hp), vs the AIFV's Detroit V6 diesel (264hp).

The Philippines received a total of 85 vehicles per US Library of Congress records.

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AIFV

AIFV on EDSA during the December 1989 coup.

Philippine broadcast media used to often refer to the AIFV as the Chaimite, which it is not. The Chaimite is a Portuguese copy of the V100 wheeled 4X4 APC which Marcos ordered 20 of during the martial law years.

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M113 APC
M113 with Cadillac Gage (now Textron) 1-meter turret during Independence Day parade. Most M113s in the Philippine Army have the old armored ring-mounted .50 cal MG. The PA also uses M113s mounting surplus Scorpion tank turrets as fire support vehicles.

The M113 series of armored vehicles is the most widely produced vehicle of its type. As of 1999 over 76,000 units of all variants have been produced. The first vehicle was completed in 1960 and it is still in production. There are too many variants to list. The latest model is the M113A3 which introduces several improvements such as a more powerful engine, spall liners, external fuel tanks and optional applique/standoff armor. Standofff armor provides extra protection from HEAT rounds (such as an RPG) by detonating the charge far enough away from the actual armor for the explosive gas jet to have its desired effect. Several upgrade packages are available for countries with existing M113 fleets.

At least 100 M113s are targeted for upgrading with the AFP's modernization program.

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Alvis Scorpion

Alvis Scorpion light tank.

The Scorpion was designed in the late 1960s as a tracked, armored reconnaissance vehicle. By 1999 over 3500 had been produced. The armor is of all-welded aluminum construction and provides protection from 14.5mm rounds over its frontal area and 7.62mm armor-piercing rounds over the rest of the vehicle. It is powered by a militarised and de-rated Jaguar 4.2 liter engine, although vehicles in British service are having the engines replaced with Cummins diesels. Standard armament for most vehicles, including those in PA service, is the 76mm L23 gun. Later export versions (bought by Malaysia, among other countries) have a 90mm Mk III Cockerill gun mounted - the same gun as in the PMC V300 FSV. British vehicles no longer mount the 76mm gun and instead mount the 30mm Rarden cannon (Scimitar).

The Philippines received a total of 41 Scorpions.

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V150 Commando
The Cadillac-Gage (now Textron) V-100/V-150 series APC was the standard light armored vehicle of the AFP until the adoption of the Simba. Over the years the Philippines has received about 165 V-100/V-150s from the United States.

Typical armament for Philippine V-150s is one .50 cal MG and one 7.62mm MG in a one-meter turret. V-100s have a smaller turret with twin 7.62mm machine guns. The Chaimite is a Portuguese copy of the V-100. I am not sure if any are still in service but they can be distinguished from V-100s by their flat top (as opposed to the V-100's rearward sloping top) and their flat, angled rear end.

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Hari-Digma
There were two Hari-Digma prototypes developed by a local company (I forgot which - it specialized in bank armored cars). I believe this was the first. The second was supposed to have had a more conventional layout, with the turret in the hull center. It lost out to the Simba APC.

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GKN Simba APC
Simba APC with standard one man .50 caliber MG turret. The Simba 4X4 APC was developed by GKN as a private venture and was adopted by the Philippines as it's new wheeled APC. A total of 150 were ordered with most being assembled from kits in Subic. Total cost of the deal was $46 million. GKN supplies many of the armored infantry vehicles used by the British Army, such as the Warrior MICV, the FV432 APC and the Saxon wheeled 4X4 APC. GKN has since merged with Alvis, the producers of the Scorpion series of light tanks and other armored vehicles.

PA Simbas are normally armed with the .50 caliber MG turret and are also sometimes seen with a pintle-mounted 40 mm automatic grenade launcher from CIS of Singapore.

Only the Philippines uses the Simba, though Malaysia did mention a passing interest in it at one point.

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Presidential Security Group Simba APC
PSG Simba APC in striking urban camouflage leaving Malacanang during the January 2001 mass protests that led to President Joseph Estrada's downfall. This pattern works really well in built-up areas. The outline of the vehicle disappears into shadows and whitewashed walls in the background. I was told some Dutch armored vehicles are painted in similar fashion.

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Simba 25mm
Photo from Newsmakers Photojournalism page. Shows Simba APC with enlarged turret and 25mm cannon, as opposed to the more common .50 cal turret.

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106 mm Recoilless Rifle
Jeep mounted M-40A1 106 mm recoilless rifle. The 106mm RR actually has a caliber of 105 mm but the 106 mm designation was adopted to minimise confusion with other 105 mm caliber rounds in service. It has a magazine fed .50 caliber spotting gun attached to aid in aiming the weapon.

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90 mm Recoilless Rifle
The primary infantry anti-tank weapon in Philippine service is the M-67 90 mm recoilless rifle, developed in 1967. It was replaced in US service by the Dragon anti-tank guided missile after only a few years in service and has since been supplied to the Philippines and US allies such as South Korea and Taiwan.

TheAvenger

January 3rd, 2007, 06:15 PM

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Parked AIFV
This AIFV was part of the contingent sent to the Quirino grandstand area to participate in the Independence Day parade. Most PA vehicles were still painted all green.

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AIFV rear
The AIFV has its origins in the M113. Check out the ramp and running gear and compare it to those of the M113 below. The bulges on the side are applique stand-off armor to better protect the vehicle from shaped charge warheads like RPGs. Firing ports also allow troops to engage enemy infantry without having to dismount or expose themselves to fire.

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M113 rear
Check out the Cadillac-Gage (now Textron) 1 meter turret usually mounted on the V-150. Is this a local modification? Looks like the turret was placed over commander's area and the forward part of the troop compartment. The turret cupola seems to have been replaced with the one from the M113 commander's position.

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PNP Special Action Force Hummer
The truck version of the Hummer is more common than the standard model in Philippine service.
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PNP Special Action Force Hummer rear
Note the markings. Also note the riders. The guy in olive drab fatigues is a member of the Presidential Security Group. They had one in every vehicle in the parade. This guy is the only one smiling in the bunch - he's the only one with magazines and a loaded rifle. Kinda sucks for the SAF guys since the PNP Special Action Force fought against the rebels during the last coup.

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V-150
Smart-looking V-150 crew, with Presidential Security Group trooper looking out the side door. Each vehicle had a PSG trooper. After several coup attempts, they were not taking any chances. Anwar Sadat was killed during a parade by the soldiers he was reviewing.

bitoy

January 3rd, 2007, 06:39 PM

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90 mm Recoilless Rifle
The primary infantry anti-tank weapon in Philippine service is the M-67 90 mm recoilless rifle.

We have a discussion of this weapon that we have on one of the Pinoy forums.

Q. - Why do we still need these anti-tank weapons?

(sabat ng isang former AFP personnel)
A. - Para panlaban sa ating mga sariling tangke. :nuts:

TheAvenger

January 3rd, 2007, 06:57 PM

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LAV-300 Fire Support Vehicle
The LAV-300 6x6 series of amphibious armored vehicles was developed by Cadillac-Gage (now Textron Marine and Land Systems) as a private venture to complement their V-150 Commando 4x4 series. Though not in use by the US military, it is offered to foreign countries. The 6x6 arrangement provides a larger troop and weapons carrying capacity and better cross-country performance than the V-150. The body is of ballistic steel plate providing protection against 7.62 mm rounds, and a variety of configurations are available. The vehicles supplied to the Marines include an armored personnel carrier version with a one man turret armed with one .50 caliber and one 7.62mm machine guns and accommodations for 9 troops, and a fire-support variant armed with a 90 mm Cockerill gun. Twelve each of both variants were supplied to the Philippine Marines.

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The Marine Corps had wanted the US-built LVTP-7 (now called the AAVP-7) amphibious armored landing vehicle and 36 vehicles were offered in the 1980s but the deal was shot down by partisan political and financial interests. Instead V-150s were secured through FMS. In 1991 LAV-300s were proposed as the Corps' share in the US bases compensation package. The Marines accepted them but mandated modifications to better suit their needs. These changes included waterjets for amphibious operations (original specifications called for the vehicle to be propelled in water by its wheels) and a rear ramp for the easier discharge of troops (original vehicle had 2 hatches in the rear). A trim-vane was also added, but smoke grenade launchers and the winch were deleted to keep costs down.

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Like virtually all wheeled amphibious armored vehicles the LAV 300 can only safely navigate calm bodies of water such as lakes and some rivers, which is why the Marine Corps had preferred the LVTP-7 used by the Marine Corps of the United States, Italy, Brazil, the Netherlands and many others.

Still, the Corps made full use of it, using these vehicles to great advantage in the campaigns against the MILF in Kauswagan and the clearing of the Narciso Ramos Highway, among many recent battles.

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LAV-300 APC
The armored personnel variant of the LAV-300 can can accommodate 9 troops internally and carries one .50 caliber machine gun and one 7.62mm machine gun in a Textron 1-meter turret.

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The Philippine Marine Corps, together with the Floro Corporation of Tanay, Rizal, has initiated a program to incorporate the Singaporean CIS 40mm automatic grenade launcher into the 1-meter turret used in the V-150 and V-300 wheeled APCs. The grenade launcher would replace either the .50 caliber or the 7.62 mm machine gun, and will significantly increase the vehicle's firepower. The US uses the same turret in a similar configuration for its AAVP-7s, except that a US Mk. 19 Mod. 3 40 mm automatic grenade launcher is used.

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Marine Firebase with M101 105mm Howitzers in Mindanao
The M101 105mm howitzer originally carried the designation M2. In 1919, at the end of World War 1 the US Army established the Westerveldt Board to investigate their future needs and among the recommendations were suggestions for a 105mm howitzer. It was only in 1939 that the suggestions were implemented and the resulting artillery piece, the 105mm Howitzer M2, rolled off production lines in the thousands.

The M2 became one of the most widely used of all American weapons in World War 2. It was highly regarded for its overall strength, which was "built-in" to every aspect of the piece. Redesignated M101 in the post-war years it remains in frontline service with many nations, a testament to its durability. The US Marine Corps has about 248 listed in their inventory, according to FAS.org. Many consider the M101 the yardstick against which all other artillery pieces are measured.

In Philippine service several M101s have been upgraded with longer barrels for increased range.

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Armored Gun Truck
The Philippine Marine Corps has a proud tradition of making the most out of what is at hand and this armored gun truck, dubbed "Talisman" is a good example. Using plates salvaged from the derelict hulls of LVTP-5s, the Marine Corps' 6th Marine Batallion Landing Team "hardened" a 2 1/2 ton truck to create a very capable convoy escort vehicle in anticipation of the batallion's deployment to Sulu.

Other vehicles such as HUMVEEs have been similarly armored to serve as escorts along lines of communication threatened by guerrilla ambush.

The Americans used a similar concept during the Vietnam War.

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Marine Corps Scout Sniper Rifle
Another example of making the most out of what is available. The Marines had a requirement for new sniper rifles to replace the long-worn out modified Garands and M-14s that they have in service. Upgrading and accurizing M-14s for sniper use would have been too expensive and required a level of expertise not readily available in the Philippines. Philippine armorers know the M-16 inside and out, though, and from it the Corps created an effective sniper weapon.

The MSSR used an unissued M-16 lower receiver, a fine tuned match trigger, and a DPMS upper receiver with a match-grade, heavy, free-floating barrel with a tubular aluminum handguard sporting a Harris bipod. To reduce cost an armored Tasco 3-9x40mm scope is used. This scope is rugged, relatively cheap compared to other models and performs well. The MSSRs need to shoot one MOA (minute of angle) or better with M855 rounds before they are issued (a minute of angle is a measurement of rifle accuracy; a 1 MOA rifle produces a one inch group at 100 yards, a two inch group at 200 yards.... etc.).

The 5.56 mm round is not a popular round for sniping but considering the limited ranges found in the Philippine countryside it is adequate, and Marine Scout Snipers can place accurate shots with the MSSR out to 600 meters.

The Marines still have a standing requirement for a proper sniper rifle similar to the US Marine Corps' M40 bolt action rifle. Once the PMC acquires the funds to purchase the rifles the the plan is for the MSSRs to be relegated to Designated Marksman weapons.

The downside of the Marine Corps' "sariling sikap" sniper rifle program was that it may have caused inter-service rivalry to rear its head. When the US delivered its military aid package in December, 2001, all weapons, including several brand new sniper rifles, were appropriated by the Army, neglecting the fact that the Philippine Marine Corps established and operates the only sniper school in the country.

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Force Recon
As the spearhead of the Philippine Armed Forces, soldiers of the Marine Corps are "the first to fight" and elements of the Marine Corps Force Reconnassance Batallion lead the way.

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GKN Aquatrack
Owing to its experience in amphibious vehicles as well as its role in disaster relief operations the Philippine Marine Corps operates the two British GKN Aquatrack amphibious vehicles of the Department of Defense Civil Defense Office.

Similar in concept to the LARCs, the Aquatrack was designed to ferry cargo from vessels off-shore to a beach or inland areas in support of Marine amphibious operations. In the Philippines its capabilities make them invaluable for rescue and disaster recovery operations in flood-prone areas around the country.

GKN derived the vehicle's tracked running gear from the US MLRS (Multiple Launch Rocket System). It is also equipped with a propeller for increased speed in water.

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LARC (Lighter, Amphibious, Resupply, Cargo)
The Marines also operate the older LARC, or Lighter, Amphibious, Resupply, Cargo vehicle.

Like the Aquatrack, LARCs are amphibious transport vehicles used to carry cargo from off-shore supply vessels to a beach, or inland transport areas.

On land LARCs can travel at 30 mph and on water, 9.5 mph. Its amphibious capability and large cargo capacity make it invaluable for rescue missions, disaster recovery, salvage, and more.

(Photo courtesy of the Philippine Marine Corps)

TheAvenger

January 3rd, 2007, 07:55 PM

Author Topic: US special forces patroling our borders (Read 742 times)
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US special forces patroling our borders
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So is it confirmed then? I saw a report on CNN about some MARK V if i'm not mistaken
patroling the south and also US service men on patrol along with AFP personel

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TheAvenger

January 3rd, 2007, 08:21 PM

We have a discussion of this weapon that we have on one of the Pinoy forums.

Q. - Why do we still need these anti-tank weapons?

(sabat ng isang former AFP personnel)
A. - Para panlaban sa ating mga sariling tangke. :nuts:

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Fighting at its ugliest
The remains of rebel Marine Sergeant Roger Salvador's LVTH-6, knocked out by recoilless rifle fire as it punched its way through the Santolan gate at Camp Aguinaldo. The 90 mm recoilless rifle that knocked it out was manned by Corp. Robert Salvador, Roger's brother, who was on the government side. All in the vehicle were killed and Robert found out only later that his brother was in it.

Skyblade

January 4th, 2007, 09:10 AM

Bilikatan
Photo and Captioned by: Charlie Saceda from Flickr

Thanks for shariing, jjpaul! :okay: Looks like we'll be having another Balikatan after the government turned over the convicted US Marine charged of rape to the US embassy. Before then, the US cancelled the exercise until further notice as a protest for the custody of the Marine.

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Ah yes, the BRP Alvarez, the youngest ship in the PN. The AFP was hoping to get more of these ex-USN Cyclones but due to 9/11 and a shift that required the need for these in coastline patrol, the US Navy is back to using these guys again. Usually the PN deploys the Alvarez and/or one of the Jacintos for naval exercises with neighbors and/or whenever it's highly publicized (ala the Boracay landing exercise a year or two ago).

Of course, sometimes one of the Navy's WWII veterans is also utilized in some inter-navy exercises. Old meets modern with the BRP Rizal (PS-74) with the BRP Jacinto (PS-35) with a Perry Class Frigate, a Burke Class Destroyer, and a Harpers Ferry Class LSD during one of the USN/PN's CARAT exercises. I'm sure there were a few wide eyes among USN sailors when they saw this ancient workhorse that was built before all of them were born still in action. Makes you want to scream "modernization". :nuts:

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Migan

January 4th, 2007, 09:27 AM

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/emmanuelkristofer/talisman1.jpgeto yung tipong military truck na napapanuod ko madalas sa sine... yung laging nahahagisan ng granada sa likod sabay talsikan buong platoon na sakay sa ere :lol:

TheAvenger

January 4th, 2007, 07:08 PM

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Gen. Joseph Medina, center, Deputy Commanding Gen. of the Third Marine Expeditionary Force and Commanding General of the Third Marine Expeditionary Brigade, stands at attention with Philippine Marine officers during the formal opening ceremony of the annual joint ground-air and naval military exercise dubbed Talon Vision and Amphibious Landing Exercise Monday Oct. 16, 2006, at the Philippine Marines headquarters at Fort Bonifacio south of Manila. About 5,700 U.S. Marines from the 3rd Marine Expeditionary Unit based in Okinawa, Japan, and sailors from the Essex Expeditionary Strike Group in Sasebo, Japan, were taking part alongside 1,300 Filipino soldiers. Others are unidentified. (AP Photo/Bullit Marquez)

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In this photo released by the United States Marine Corps, Marines take part in a long range helicopter-borne raid exercise at Basa Air Base, Pampanga province north of Manila, Philippines, Sunday Oct. 15, 2006. The raid, involving Marines and Sailors of Company C, battalion landing team with the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit, was executed with the assistance from members of the Philippine Air Force as part of the annual bilateral training exercises dubbed Talon Vision and Amphibious Landing Exercise (PHIBLEX) FY 2007 which officially began Monday. (AP Photo/ U.S. Marine Corps, Lance Cpl. David Rogers)

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In this photo released by the United States Marine Corps, U.S. Marines and sailors from Battalion Landing Team 1st Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment of the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit, conduct a long range helicopter-borne raid at Basa Air Base, Pampanga province north of Manila, Philippines on Sunday Oct. 15, 2006. The raid was executed with the assistance from members of the Philippine Air Force as part of the annual bilateral training exercises dubbed Talon Vision and Amphibious Landing Exercise (PHIBLEX) FY 2007 which officially began Monday. (AP Photo/U.S. Marine Corps, Staff Sgt. Ricardo Morales)

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Philippine and US Marines take their positions to simulate an amphibious landing and assault of a hostile area in the annual joint ground-air and naval military exercise dubbed Talon Vision on a beach in Palawan the other day. - MANNY MARCELO

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REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES -- Philippine airmen with the 710th special operations wing float down to earth after performing static line jumps out of the back of U.S. Marine Corps KC-130 Hercules aircraft from Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 152 over Fort Magsaysay Oct. 19. The training was conducted as part of bilateral exercises Talon Vision and Amphibious Landing Exercise (PHIBLEX) FY 2007. VMGR 152 is currently attached to the 3rd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, III Marine Expeditionary Force. (Official U.S. Marine Corps photo by Lance Cpl. David Rogers)(Released)

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REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES -- Philippines Master Sgt. Jaime Agonoy demonstrates the proper way to hold a Philippine cobra to U.S. Marines and sailors from Marine Wing Support Squadron 172 at Ft. Ramon Magsaysay Oct. 19 as part of bilateral exercises Talon Vision and Amphibious Landing Exercise (PHIBLEX) FY 2007. Agonoy is a jungle survival instructor with the Philippine Army's Special Operations Command. The exercises are designed to improve the interoperability of the two forces while furthering their professional relationship. (Official U.S. Marine Corps photo by Lance Cpl. Terence L. Yancey) (Released)

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Courtesy USMC
Marine 1st Sgt. Ron Dickenson, right, explains the
procedures of a shoulder-fired anti-armor weapon
to a Philippine Marine scout during the Talon Vision
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Courtesy USMC
A Philippine Army scout team rides in the rear of a
U.S. Light Armored Vehicle during a live-fire exercise
during the Talon Vision exercise in central Luzon.

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051029-N-4124C-002 Pacific Ocean (Oct. 29, 2005) – U.S. Marines from 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit's (MEU) Fox Company standby to board a CH-46E Sea Knight helicopter on the flight deck aboard the amphibious transport dock USS Juneau (LPD 10) during Amphibious Landing Exercise (PHILBEX) 06. PHIBLEX is an annual bilateral Republic of the Philippines and United States exercise designed to improve interoperability, increase readiness and continue professional relationships between the United States and Philippine Armed Forces. U.S. Navy photo by Journalist Seaman Adam R. Cole (RELEASED)

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051029-N-4124C-003 Pacific Ocean (Oct. 29, 2005) – U.S. Marines from the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU), together with Marines of the Philippine Armed Forces, move in formation on Combat Rubber Raid Craft (CRRC) as part of a coordinated amphibious landing at the conclusion of Amphibious Landing Exercise (PHILBEX) 06. PHIBLEX is an annual bilateral Republic of the Philippines and United States exercise designed to improve interoperability, increase readiness and continue professional relationships between the United States and Philippine Armed Forces. U.S. Navy photo by Journalist Seaman Adam R. Cole (RELEASED)

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061106-N-7798B-004 Pacific Ocean (Nov. 6. 2006) - An AV-8B Harrier lands on the flight deck of amphibious transport dock USS Juneau (LPD 10). Juneau, part of the Essex Amphibious Readiness Group, recently completed Exercise Talon Vision and Amphibious Landing Exercise (PHIBLEX) in the Republic of Philippines and is now in the final stages of its fall patrol. U.S. Navy photo by Electronics Technician 3rd Class Daniel Ball (RELEASED)

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060815-N-7415V-004 Subic Bay, Philippines (Aug. 15, 2006) – A Navy diver assigned to the rescue and salvage ship USS Salvor (ARS 52) checks Philippine Navy diver Seaman 2nd Class Melodina Besana prior to a pierside diving event during the Philippines phase of exercise Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT). CARAT is an annual series of bilateral maritime exercises between the United States and six Southeast Asia nations designed to build relationships and enhance the operational readiness of the participating forces. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class David Votroubek (RELEASED)

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060521-N-9851B-005 Philippine Sea (May 21, 2006) - U.S. Navy Visit, Board, Search and Seizure (VBSS) officer Ensign Spencer Seufort, familiarizes liaison officers from the navies of Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia and the Philippines with the M4A1 carbine assault rifle aboard the guided missile destroyer USS Hopper (DDG 70). Hopper and the liaison officers are currently participating in exercise Southeast Asia Cooperation Against Terrorism (SEACAT). SEACAT is a week-long at-sea exercise designed to highlight the value of information sharing and multi-national coordination within a scenario that gives participating navies practical maritime interception training opportunities. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 2nd Class John L. Beeman (RELEASED)

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FORT BONIFACIO, Philippines -- U.S. Marine Corps Brig. Gen. Joseph V. Medina, 3rd Marine Expeditionary Brigade commander, hands a toy to a young Filipino child upon his arrival at the Philippine marine corps headquarters located on Fort Bonifacio, Philippines, Dec. 15, 2006, during Operation Goodwill Delivery. Operation Goodwill Delivery will distribute health care items, clothing, food, sporting goods, toys, and money to communities and organizations in Palawan and Northern Luzon, Philippines. U.S. Marines and their families stationed in Okinawa created the program, which started in 2003, to show appreciation to families of the Philippines for welcoming the Marines during annual bilateral exercises. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Lance Cpl. RamonaMarie Penala) (Released)

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ZAMBOANGA, Philippines -- A U.S. Navy officer from the U.S. Joint Special Operations Task Force - Philippines (JSOTF) plays Santa Claus for a group of Zamboanga children. The U.S. Military arranged for "Santa" to visit local charities and distribute gifts to needy children. (U.S. Department of Defense photo)

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TALON VISION exercises held in the Philippines improve and maintain interoperability, combat readiness, and professional relationships between Philippine and U.S. Marines. Here, Philippine and U.S. Marines rush to board a CH-53D helicopter during TALON VISION 2004.
Photo by Cpl. Daniel W. Yarnall, USMC

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U.S. Marines from the 3rd Marine Division and Philippine soldiers from the 7th Infantry Division move to a jungle training area
Photo by LCpl. Shane A. Austin, USMC

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A U.S. Marine demonstrates an MK-19 automatic grenade launcher to Philippine soldiers during BALIKATAN

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A Philippine soldier teaches U.S Marines how to field cook a chicken during jungle survival training
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kiretoce

January 5th, 2007, 05:18 PM

P10-B AFP procurement OK’d
By James Mananghaya The Philippine Star 01/06/2007

President Arroyo is speeding up the procurement program for the military, approving the release of P10 billion this year for the purchase of attack helicopters, shallow water boats and other equipment.

The purchases will be used to bolster the capability of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP), one of the most ill-equipped in the region, to fight Islamic extremists and communist rebels.

Mrs. Arroyo, who is also concurrent defense secretary, met with senior defense and military officials yesterday to finalize the shopping list of 14 major items to be bidded out in the next weeks.

"The pre-procurement conference was the first step in the process of procuring P10 billion worth of equipment for the modernization," she later told soldiers.

An elated AFP chief Gen. Hermogenes Esperon said that after the conference, which lasted more than two hours, they were able to identify the specifications they would require from suppliers who would bid for the contracts.

"(The contracts) were approved in record time, in just one day… suddenly we are ordering P10 billion worth of equipment," Esperon said.

AFP vice chief of staff Lt. Gen. Antonio Romero, head of the military panel on upgrading equipment, said big-ticket items to be purchased include six refurbished UH-1H helicopters, 20 upgraded MG-520 attack helicopters and several shallow water boats for soldiers to penetrate river systems and marshlands in Mindanao.

Other items on the shopping list include patrol vehicles, assault rifles, tactical radios, bomb detection equipment and bullet-proof vests.

Romero said an initial P5 billion was approved in April last year and they are awaiting another P5 billion in the next few days for them to be able to implement the project, which is part of the AFP modernization program.

He said the initial P5 billion could purchase only 10 of the 14 items the military intends to buy for its intensified counter-insurgency operations.

"Only manufacturers would be allowed to bid for the purchases," Romero added.

A defense official said the government planned to spend P30 billion in the six years from 2006 to upgrade the military’s internal security operations capabilities.

Basic equipment such as helicopters, trucks, rifles, radios and smaller boats were programmed for acquisition until 2012.

About P60 billion to buy equipment for the Air Force and Navy is allocated for 2012 to 2018 and P120 billion to modernize equipment would be spent on the third and last six-year period until 2024.

In her speech, Mrs. Arroyo said fiscal reforms initiated by the government have generated much-needed funds for the modernization of the ill-equipped AFP, as well as other programs for basic social services and vital infrastructure.

The AFP and the Department of National Defense (DND) have embarked on a comprehensive 18-year modernization program to enhance the military’s capability to combat communist insurgents and protect the country’s territory.

"As concurrent DND secretary, (I studied the laws concerning the) modernization of the AFP. Even if it is a little late, we will seek to meet the deadline for 2010," the President said, referring to the first phase of the AFP’s Capability Upgrade Program (CUP), which started in 2004.

Esperon said they expect the equipment to be delivered in April or July, and these will be immediately issue to various units at the front-lines.

The second phase of the CUP will receive a P60 billion funding, while the third phase would be given a P120 billion.

According to Defense Undersecretary Ernesto Carolina, the last two phases will involve the purchase of equipment to strengthen the military’s territorial defense capability.

Earlier, Defense Undersecretary for Operations Ricardo Blancaflor said at least five foreign suppliers have signified their intention to supply the country with the refurbished night-capable MG-520 attack helicopters.

The suppliers are from the United States, China, Russia, France and Italy, he said.

The US supplier is offering to sell the deadly attack Cobra helicopter; China, the attack Phoenix gunship; France, the equally versatile Euro Copten attack helicopter; Russia, the "Hinds" transport and attack helicopter, while Italy is offering its Augusta Westland gunship.

The Hind is the equivalent of the US Chinook, which could be used either as transport or as attack helicopter.

Based on the DND’s estimate, each helicopter gunship would cost P210 million or $4.294 million.

As senior military officials paid their traditional New Year’s call on her as their defense chief at Camp Aguinaldo, Mrs. Arroyo directed the AFP to ensure the "strategic defeat" of communist and separatist rebels as well as terror groups in the country by 2010.

"I expect you to tread the path that we have outlined as your acting Secretary of National Defense… as far as the restated mission is concerned, achieve a strategic defeat for the communist terrorist movement by 2010," she said.

The President also directed the AFP to "destroy the Abu Sayyaf and other terrorist groups and contain the secessionist groups in order to establish a secure environment conducive to national development."

Mrs. Arroyo said with the soldiers’ dedication to service to the country, the Arroyo administration will continue to implement programs that would propel growth and "a social payback of jobs, food, health and education."

"When we do all these, I do hope that the more than 100,000 ordinary soldiers in the field and their families will also be able to benefit with a better way of living," she said.

The government has been battling separatist and communist rebels for decades. This conflict has claimed the lives of more than 60,000 people. Security threats heightened with the spread of extremists such as the Abu Sayyaf and the Jemaah Islamiyah (JI).

The government is in the final stages of peace negotiations with the separatist Moro Islamic Liberation Front. The talks, however, are in the most difficult stage because negotiators on both sides are threshing out the issue of ancestral domain, or which areas in Mindanao are to be declared Moro homeland.

The New People’s Army, the armed wing of the Communist Party of the Philippines, has an estimated strength of 7,000 armed regulars. Peace talks with the CPP’s political arm, the National Democratic Front, bogged down in 2005 after rebels withdrew from the negotiating table, expecting the Arroyo administration to fall due to political troubles.

Efforts to crush the Abu Sayyaf and the JI, which have been blamed for numerous bombings and killings of foreigners in the region, have largely been concentrated in Central Mindanao and Sulu with the help of United States forces.

kiretoce

January 5th, 2007, 05:22 PM

Philippines says spending $200M on weapons
By Manny Mogato Friday 5 January 2007

MANILA (Reuters) - The Philippines will spend 10 billion pesos (about $200 million) in 2007 on the purchase of attack helicopters, shallow water boats and other equipment for the armed forces, President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo said on Friday.

The purchases will be used to bolster the military, one of the most ill-equipped in the region, in its fight against Muslim militants and communist rebels.

Arroyo, who is also the armed forces' commander-in-chief, met senior defence and military officials at the main army base in Manila to finalise the shopping list of 14 major items to be bidded out in the next few weeks.

"The pre-procurement conference was the first step in the process of procuring 10 billion pesos worth of equipment for the modernisation," she later told soldiers.

Lieutenant-General Antonio Romero, head of the military panel on upgrading equipment, said big ticket items to be purchased include six refurbished UH-1H helicopters, 20 upgraded MG-520 attack helicopters and several shallow water boats for soldiers to penetrate river systems and marshlands in the southern Philippines.

Other items on the shopping list included assault rifles, tactical radios and bullet proof vests.

A defence official told Reuters the government planned to spend 30 billion pesos in the six years from 2006 to upgrade the military's internal security operations capabilities.

Basic equipment such as helicopters, trucks, rifles, radios and smaller boats were programmed for acquisition until 2012.

About 60 billion pesos to buy equipment for the air force and navy is allocated for 2012 to 2018 and 120 billion pesos to modernise equipment would be spent on the third and last six-year period until 2024.

TheAvenger

January 6th, 2007, 12:37 AM

P10-B AFP procurement OK’d
By James Mananghaya The Philippine Star 01/06/2007

The New People’s Army, the armed wing of the Communist Party of the Philippines, has an estimated strength of 7,000 armed regulars. Peace talks with the CPP’s political arm, the National Democratic Front, bogged down in 2005 after rebels withdrew from the negotiating table, expecting the Arroyo administration to fall due to political troubles.

Once corruption in the government is minimized if not completely stop and we have elected government officials that will truly do their job honestly then I am sure we can integrate the NPA to our Armed Forces. Just like MNLF was integrated into our AFP before and now even joining in the operations against the Muslim extemist group of Abu Sayaf.

tigidig14

January 6th, 2007, 03:06 AM

ang ganda at ang gagaling ng mga pics, Avenger. nasa serbisyo ka ba?

tigidig14

January 6th, 2007, 03:13 AM

Japan Defense Force

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with the hi-hill's hooker's stiletto
:lol:

ikra

January 6th, 2007, 03:23 AM

lmao.. anyway, its good... firs twe fend off internal resistance... thus AFP up until 2012.. by that time we should eliminate NPA and Other terrorist organizations in the philippines. And then 2012 to 2018 would be for the air force and navy, which i think is good.. for patrolling our borders and being able to efectively have airspace defence at least. Its important that we stop terrorsits from south of the country to feely traverse the unguarded seas... =/

jjpaul_c

January 6th, 2007, 05:09 AM

Once corruption in the government is minimized if not completely stop and we have elected government officials that will truly do their job honestly then I am sure we can integrate the NPA to our Armed Forces. Just like MNLF was integrated into our AFP before and now even joining in the operations against the Muslim extemist group of Abu Sayaf.

Nice Pictures Avenger. I keep hearing the corruption of the Philippine government over and over. Like it or not these politicians are the last hopes of the Philippines. Better than having another Marcos or Military government. Corruptions are widespread in the Philippines. It will not disappear overnight. The people in general need to establish their role of being in charge of the whole country and not the politicians.

Active public involvement is the best fight against corruption. The fight against corruption cannot be won without the citizen’s support, participation and vigilance. The media, civic and business associations, trade unions and other nongovernmental actors play a crucial role in fostering public discussions of corrupt and increasing awareness about negative impact of corruption. They also screen and scrutinize governmental actions-both in their daily life and thru formal arraignments institutionalized purpose-thereby contributing to the detection and prevention of corruption and the collection and channeling of input from citizen toward the government’s anti-corruption effort. Three key role of public involvement:

I. Policy dialogue and cooperation between governmental and nongovernmental actors - Civil society’s contribution to a country’s fight against corruption can take various forms, from awareness raising and educational program to active and officially recognized participation in the analysis of existing legislation or institutional procedures. Concerning the latter, civil society can advocate reforms that are perceived to be most crucially needed. In this respect, governments can actively engaged in cooperation with nongovernmental actors, seeking to make use of the civil societies’ expertise and resources.

II. Raising awareness and educating the public about corruption issues. – Second Key function of governmental and nongovernmental actors in the fight against corruption is education and awareness rising of corruption among the general public. This role however is increasing in the Philippines in the last few years. Cambodia has reported that cooperation is taking the form of anti-corruption education in public schools after a survey had found a low level of awareness about the impact of corruption among the younger generation, a nongovernmental research institute was tasked to develop an educational program on ethical and governance issues. This program is taught to children and young adults in the national public schools, enlisting the cooperation of the Ministry of Education. Similar cooperation has taken place in schools in Malaysia and Vanuatu. Philippines have reported about efforts to introduce similar approaches, including encouraging teachers to educate their students about ethics issues at schools and in higher education.

III. Public scrutiny and access to information - The third key role the public plays in the fight against corruption is to monitor and scrutinize actors and hold them accountable. This scrutiny is a powerful means of preventing corruption and a key supplement to legal provisions and institutions.

demented_pigeon

January 6th, 2007, 12:58 PM

TheAvenger

January 6th, 2007, 01:25 PM

ang ganda at ang gagaling ng mga pics, Avenger. nasa serbisyo ka ba?

no i am not in the military service ...

i am just in the service of the people :)

TheAvenger

January 6th, 2007, 02:39 PM

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renell

January 6th, 2007, 02:43 PM

eto yung tipong military truck na napapanuod ko madalas sa sine... yung laging nahahagisan ng granada sa likod sabay talsikan buong platoon na sakay sa ere :lol:

though it's side-plated armor is quite good; can resist bullet fire and if you look at the thickness it's double-plated kind of meaning the outside layer will take the hit keeping its soldiers inside safe

jjpaul_c

January 6th, 2007, 02:49 PM

Random Pictures

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040730-N-7720S-045 Subic Bay, Philippines (July 30, 2004) - Members of the Philippine Naval Special Warfare Group (SWAG) 91 crouch low and move together on the deck of USS Fort McHenry (LSD 43) during an in port maritime boarding event. The boarding was part of the Philippines phase of exercise Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT). CARAT is a regularly scheduled series of bilateral military training exercises with several Southeast Asian nations designed to enhance the interoperability of the respective sea services. U.S. Navy photo by Lt.j.gg Todd Spitler

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040730-N-7720S-042 Subic Bay, Philippines (July 30, 2004) - Members of the Philippine Naval Special Warfare Group (SWAG) 91 prepare to enter a hatch on board USS Fort McHenry (LSD 43) during an in port maritime boarding event. The boarding was part of the Philippines phase of exercise Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT). CARAT is a regularly scheduled series of bilateral military training exercises with several Southeast Asian nations designed to enhance the interoperability of the respective sea services. U.S. Navy photo by Lt.j.gg Todd Spitler

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Miss Phil. Navy

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jjpaul_c

January 6th, 2007, 03:24 PM

More Pics from the net......

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Members of the Philippine armed forces’ 45th Infantry stand on a road at Fort Magsaysay,watching U.S. forces' techniques during urban warfare tactics training for the Balikatan military exercise

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Chow time – Jungle Mess Hall

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jjpaul_c

January 6th, 2007, 03:44 PM

PAF at Reming
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Relief goods arrive aboard a Philippine airforce C-130 transport plane in Legazpi, 03 December 2006, for the survivors of the massive killer mudflows in the eastern region of Bicol.

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An injured survivor is carried by soldiers to a Philippine Air Force helicopter from an evacuation center in Padang village in Legaspi.

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Soldiers load a body recovered from the mud in Legaspi.

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A Filipino trooper carries relief goods on board a C-130 military plane in Manila, Philippines, on Saturday, as troops prepared for their flight to the ravaged Albay province.

AFP at Reming
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A woman seeks the help of Philippine army soldiers to recover a body buried in mud in Legaspi.

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Soldiers work to recover the bodies of six students trapped in a collapsed boarding house beside a river in Legaspi.

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Soldiers involved in search and recovery mission for buried victims cross fresh mudflows in Guinobatan town, in Albay province

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bulldozer collects the bodies of victims recovered by soldiers at Santo Domingo town, Albay province 02 December 2006.

tigidig14

January 7th, 2007, 12:03 AM

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Miss Phil. Navy

how old is she, 15? look at those legs

nayki

January 7th, 2007, 04:39 AM

^^ano ung aircraft na asa background?

TheAvenger

January 7th, 2007, 06:43 AM

^^ano ung aircraft na asa background?

I think that is a BN Islander as below :

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Other photos from the PN :

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Ex!lE

January 8th, 2007, 01:36 AM

THE United States government has yet to turn over $80.78 million (about P4.07 billion) worth of aid committed to the Armed Forces for 2003 and 2004, but an official said the delay was “normal.”

The US government had committed the money under its Visiting Forces Agreement with the Philippines to help increase its military capability, and it covers military financing, financing of peacekeeping operations, and equipment including helicopters and armored personnel carriers.

But Defense Spokesman Rosauro Manlangit said there was nothing unusual with the delay in the release of the aid committed by Washington.

“That’s normal, although it is to our interest if they can release the funds earlier,” Manlangit said in a telephone interview.

He said one reason for the delay was the required counterpart financing from the Philippine government.

Based on a paper released by the Philippine Embassy in Washington, the US completed the release of only $27.81 million for training and the purchase of rifles, tanks, helicopters and cyclone-class ship worth $14 million, among other things.

But the embassy said the Philippines stood to gain much from the resumption of the Balikatan exercises under the Visiting Forces Agreement even if some US commitments had not been delivered.

“Aside from the usual benefits of military training, one of the most important benefits that we gain from the [agreement] is its humanitarian component [including] medical and dental missions and exercise-related construction,” the embassy said in its paper.

Still, the military aid being offered to the Philippines has been declining in the past five years.

Last year, the US Congress approved only $53.4 million in military aid to the Philippines compared with the $72.15 million it approved in 2005.

AH-7Raja

January 10th, 2007, 06:48 PM

NICE PHOTOS! thanks comrade!

hey! should we get some gears from canada? sori medyo malabo...

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TheAvenger

January 11th, 2007, 04:45 AM

NICE PHOTOS! thanks comrade!

hey! should we get some gears from canada? sori medyo malabo...

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Perhaps Komrad,
Surplus Canadian weapons & equipment for the AFP?, What do you guys think?

Joined: 13-July 04

i happened to be surfing the Internet when i came across this very interesting report which was recently submitted by Canada to the UN.

these were some of the things that the Canadians declared in their report:

1. 70 Leopard C2 (upgraded Leopard 1A3s) MBTs were declared surplus;

2. all Grizzly APCs were declared surplus, with 100 of the vehicles being loaned to the African Union mission in Darfur while the remaining 157 were left in Canada;

3. 548 M113A2s were declared surplus;

4. 175 Cougar FSVs were declared surplus and in the disposal process;

5. all M109 howitzers were declared surplus;

6. 39 C1 (M101) howitzers were declared surplus

i tried checking such pieces of information with the Directorate of Disposal, Sales, Artefacts & Loans (DDSAL) website and found that not all of those listed in the UN report was listed in the DDSAL website (perhaps because the DDSAL website was not updated often).

now supposing that the pieces of information in the Canadian report to the UN are indeed true, then the Philippine Army will have a gold mine of surplus yet usable weapons and equipment from Canada. however, the sale of these articles to the Philippines would require the approval of source countries (e.g., Germany for the Leopard C2 MBTs; the US for the Grizzly and Cougar vehicles) which is something that the Philippines should work really hard for.

what do you guys think of that?

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In peace, as a wise man, he should make suitable preparation for war." - Horace

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AH-7Raja

January 12th, 2007, 04:09 AM

kung ako lang ang masusunod eh, i will rather negotiate with the canadians and will try to get most of it, but will still get some cobras from the U.S. though... :)

ren0312

January 12th, 2007, 05:37 PM

Even this will not be enough we will really have to be prapared to increase our defense budget substantially to about 2 per cent of GDP in order to have a more credible military, but unfortunately because of the constitution, and pressure groups from the left that will not happen, plus our people do not have a martial culture, the defence budget should have been at around 130 to 135 billion now, instead to just 50 billion, unlike education and heatlh spending, a defence force is something the private sector cannot provide at a profit because of the freerider effect.

jjpaul_c

January 13th, 2007, 12:10 PM

I favor spending more on law enforcement to combat crimes and corruption. The PNP is a paramilitary organization and can be use for defense when necessary. We can upgrade the elite forces that are fighting the MNLF and ASG. We should maintain and continue to use the alliance with the US. For now, we should concentrate on building a strong economy. Once we achieve that, we can upgrade the military then negotiate a favourable treaty.

No new pictures?

jjpaul_c

January 13th, 2007, 12:35 PM

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PHILIPPINES-- US Embassy Charge d'Affaires Joseph Mussomeli addresses guests during the turnover ceremony of 500 armor vests from the US government to the Armed Forces of the Philippines held in Camp General Emilio Aguinaldo, Quezon City.

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PHILIPPINES-- Armed Forces of the Philippines Chief of Staff General Dionisio Santiago accepts an armor vest from Philippine Defense Secretary Angelo T. Reyes in turnover ceremonies held at Camp Aguinaldo, Quezon City. Looking on is US Embassy Charge d'Affaires Joseph Mussomeli.

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PHILIPPINES-- A Philippine soldier tries on an armor vest, one of the 500 turned over to the Philippine military during ceremonies held at Camp Aguinaldo on January 24, 2003. Looking on are US Embassy Charge d'Affaires Joseph Mussomeli, Philippine Defense Secretary Angelo T. Reyes and AFP Chief of Staff General Dionisio Santiago.

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PHILIPPINES-- Five Philippine Army soldiers try on US armor vests turned over to the Philippine military as part of the RP-US Military Logistics Support Agreement (MLSA).

jjpaul_c

January 13th, 2007, 12:38 PM

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PHILIPPINES-- Senate Defense Committee Chairman Ramon Magsaysay Jr. (top photo, left) and Vice Chairman Robert Barbers (lower photo, left), accompanied by U.S. Ambassador Francis Ricciardone (top photo, center), led a group of senators and congressmen in a visit to the Philippine Marine base in Ternate, Cavite, February 20 for a first-hand view of U.S.-Philippine Marine Interoperability Exercise '03 (MIX 03). Vice Admiral Victorino Hingco (top photo, right), Flag-Officer-in-Command, Philippine Navy, and Brigadier General Buenaventura (lower photo, right) briefed the guests on the site. Some 600 U.S. Marines and 300 Philippine Marines participated in a three-week training in infantry and reconnaissance operations including advanced marksmanship, intelligence planning, jungle operation, aviation assault support and parachute jump. (Department of Defense photos)

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PHILIPPINES-- U.S. Ambassador Ricciardone (top photo, right) and Philippine Senate Defense Committee Chairman Magsaysay (lower photo, right) meet some of about 600 U.S. Marines who participated in the three-week U.S.-Philippines Marines Interoperability Exercise '03 (MIX '03) at the Philippine Marine base in Ternate, Cavite Province. Other Philippine legislators who joined Sen. Magsaysay in the February 20 visit to the base were Philippine House National Defense Committee Chairman Prospero Pichay, House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Jose Lozada and Vice Chairman Magtanggol Gunigundo. (Department of Defense photos)

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Zamboanga City, Republic of the Philippines - Maj. Gen. Joseph F. Weber, Commanding General, 3rd Marine division is greeted by Col. Douglas R. Lengenfelder, Commander, Joint Special Operations Task Force - Philippines (JSOTF-P) at Edwin-Andrews Air Base, Zamboanga City. Maj. Gen. Weber heads up a military assessment team, by invitation of the Government of the Philippines, to determine the most appropriate support to enhance the AFP's counter-terrorism capability. (Official U.S. Navy Photograph by Petty Officer First Class (PH1) Edward G. Martens.) Cleared for public release by Major Cynthia F. Teramae, JTF Public Affairs Officer.

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Zamboanga City, Republic of the Philippines - Maj. Gen. Joseph F. Weber, Commanding General, 3rd Marine Division and Lt. Gen. Narsico Abaya, Southern Commander, Armed Forces Philippines (AFP) are greeted after departing their aircraft by Col. Douglas R. Lengenfelder, Commander, Joint Special Operations Task Force - Philippines (JSOTF-P) at Edwin-Andrews Air Base, Zamboanga City. Maj. Gen. Weber heads up a military assessment team, by invitation of the Government of the Philippines, to determine the most appropriate support to enhance the AFP's counter-terrorism capability. (Official U.S. Navy Photograph by Petty Officer First Class (PH1) Edward G. Martens.) Cleared for public release by Major Cynthia F. Teramae, JTF Public Affairs Officer.

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ZAMBOANGA CITY , Republic of the Philippines - Vice Chief of Staff, Armed Forces of The Philippines (AFP) LTGEN Rodolfo Garcia, Ctr. right, is accompanied by senior logistics officers and the Joint U.S. Military Assistance Group-Philippines Chief COL Mathias Velasco (USA), ctr. left, while they review additional trucks purchased from the U.S. for the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) Army and Navy transportation corps. The AFP acquired 33 U.S. M35A2C trucks through the Excess DOD Defense Articles Program. (DoD photo)

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FORT MAGSAYSAY, Philippines -- Philippine President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo shakes hands with Air National Guard engineers from the 254th Civil Engineer Squadron, based in Guam, during a runway groundbreaking ceremony. Armed Forces of the Philippines engineers will work jointly on the construction to make Fort Magsaysay capable of receiving C-130 aircrafts and significantly increase air mobility and logistics in the region. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Staff Sgt. Nathan L. Hanks)

jjpaul_c

January 13th, 2007, 12:47 PM

Mudslide Disaster

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SOUTHERN LEYTE, Republic of the Philippines (Feb. 22, 2006) -- 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit (31st MEU) personnel from Echo 2, Battalion 5, hold on tight as they cross a river created by the Feb. 17th landslide on the island of Leyte. Sailors and Marines from the Forward Deployed Amphibious Ready Group (ARG), USS Essex (LHD 2) and USS Harpers Ferry (LSD 49), arrived off the coast of Leyte Feb. 19 to provide humanitarian assistance and disaster relief. (Official U.S. Navy photo by JO2 Corey Truax) (060222-N-6274T-067 RELEASED)

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SOUTHERN LEYTE, Philippines -- 1st Lt. Rian P. Iglesias, executive officer of Weapons Company, Battalion Landing Team, 2nd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment, 31st MEU, poses with two Taiwanese rescue team members after assisting in rescue efforts of seven other Taiwanese rescuers during search and rescue operations at a disasterous landslide here, Feb. 23. (Photo courtesy Taiwanese rescue team)

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MACTAN AIR BASE, Philippines (AFPN) -- Philippine and American military personnel wait to down load a C-17 Globemaster III. The composite C-17 squadron of active duty and Hawaii Air National Guard are flying their first contingency response mission to deliver relief supplies to the Philippines. (Air Force Photo by Tech. Sgt. Shane A. Cuomo) (060222-F-2034C-019 RELEASED)

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MACTAN AIR BASE, Philippines (AFPN) Ð Philippine military personnel down load water and meals ready to eat from a C-17 Globemaster III. The composite C-17 squadron of active duty and Hawaii Air National Guard are flying their first contingency response mission to deliver relief supplies to the Philippines. (Air Force Photo by Tech. Sgt. Shane A. Cuomo) (060222-F-2034C-022 RELEASED)

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LEYTE GULF, Republic of the Philippines (Feb. 22, 2006) -- Flight deck personnel direct a MH-60S Seahawk helicopter, assigned to the Military Sealift command (MSC) combat stores ship USNS Concord (T-AFS 5), as it delivers supplies to the amphibious assault ship USS Essex (LHD 2). Essex, along with USS Harpers Ferry (LSD 2), are conducting operations in support of humanitarian assistance and disaster relief efforts on the island of Leyte, following the Feb. 17 landslide that devastated the town of Guinsahugon located in the southern part of the island. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 1st Class Michael D. Kennedy (RELEASED)

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SAINT BERNARD, Philippines (Feb. 19, 2006) -- Soldiers from the Republic of Philippines Army offload food, blankets, water and other vital supplies from a CH-46E Sea Knight helicopter from Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron 262 (HMM-262), “Flying Tigers.” The helo is from USS Essex (LHD 2), currently on station off the coast of Southern Leyte, providing helos to transport relief supplies to the area. (Official U.S. Navy Photo by Photographer's Mate 1st Class Michael D. Kennedy) (RELEASED)

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Saint Bernard, Philippines (Feb. 19, 2006) MajGen. Bonificio Ramon, Commander, 8th Infantry Division Republic of Philippines Army, and Commander of all relief efforts in Southern Leyte meets with U.S. Marine Corps Col. Walter Miller, Commander, 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit. The two discussed how U.S. Navy and Marine Corps can aid in the relief efforts. (Official U.S. Navy Photo by Photographer's Mate 1st Class Michael D. Kennedy) ( RELEASED)

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Saint Bernard, Philippines (Feb. 19, 2006) Marine Colonel Walter Miller, Commander, 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit (31st MEU), coordinates the Navy and Marine Corps relief assistance via satellite communications in an area near where the devastating landslide hit Southern Leyte island. (Official U.S. Navy Photo by Photographer's Mate 1st Class Michael D. Kennedy)

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USS ESSEX, Off the Coast of Southern Leyte -- U.S. Marines from the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit are briefed in the USS Essex (LHD 2) hangar bay Feb. 19, 2006, before going ashore to assist victims of the Feb. 17, 2006, landslide in Southern Layte, Philippines. (U.S. Navy photo by Journalist 1st Class James Evans Coyle) (Released)

Ex!lE

January 13th, 2007, 04:03 PM

RP to sign defense pact with Australia

01/14/2007

CEBU—Amid the controversy on the custody of a convicted American soldier which had dragged with it the country’s Visiting Forces Agreement (VFA) with the United States, the Philippines and Australia are set to sign soon a defense agreement that will allow joint military exercises between the two countries.

“We are very close to finalizing the text of the Status of Forces Agreement (Sofa) and we’re hoping that we’ll be able to sign that quite soon,” Australian Ambassador to the Philippines Tony Hely said in a chance interview.

He, however, could not reveal when

the agreement will be signed but said the defense accord would still require legislative ratification by the Philippines even if it has already been approved by both governments.

“Precisely when (it will be signed), I don’t know and then we’ll go into the process of ratification by our respective governments. Australia can do that through administrative procedures but the Philippines will require the approval of the Senate and so that may take a little bit of time,” Hely said.

The envoy added Australia is unfazed by the custody row between the Philippines and the US involving American serviceman Lance Cpl. Daniel Smith, who was convicted of rape in December 2006. The Philippine government approved Smith’s clandestine transfer from the Makati City Jail to the US Embassy without a court order for fear of losing millions worth of military and economic assistance from the US government.

“I think it’s entirely a different agreement in a way…and it also has different provisions and relation to custody in the event of prisoners so we don’t see any connection. (These are) entirely different documents,” Hely said.

The Sofa, which is similar to the RP-US VFA, allows entry of Australian troops to the country and the holding of joint exercises and training with their Filipino counterparts.

Although similar in nature, Hely said the agreement will only involve a small number of Australian troops.

He added the Sofa would provide policy support to the Armed Forces of the Philippines in areas such as logistics, acquisition and personnel.

The envoy also maintained that the Australian troops will not engage in counter-terrorism training in the Philippines.

“(It) simply provides the administrative and the legal basis for the existing defense cooperation arrangements which is mainly about some exercises and training and education and some policy advice. So nothing new or different in the defense relation that simply provides the legal and administrative coverage and basis for,” Hely said.

In its bilateral overview, the Australian government described Philippine-Australia defense relations as “very strong” based on friendly ties over many years, and the common strategic interests in a secure, stable and prosperous region.

It added Australia is the Philippines’ second largest counter-terrorism partner, after the US.

Last year, Australia has provided a A$10-million assistance package to the Philippines that is focused on building Philippine capacity in law enforcement, immigration, port and transport security.

Michaela P. del Callar

January 20th, 2007, 10:53 AM

lol.. there is no need to post huge pics... the page is loading too long.

TheAvenger

January 20th, 2007, 02:26 PM

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January 20th, 2007, 04:01 PM

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January 20th, 2007, 04:59 PM

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Marching with heels! ;)

TheAvenger

January 20th, 2007, 05:42 PM

@jjpaul c
you got a nice photos of the US Forces however it is too cumbersome to scroll to left or right the photos. I hope you don't mind I reduced the size of your photos to width 1000.

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AH-7Raja

January 22nd, 2007, 12:21 PM

Part 2 of my slideshow tribute for our soldiers is available now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA0FfqwETIc

Many thanks to Opus224 AFP forum, PDFF, skycraper.com, Getty Images, PEX, and all forumers.

Enjoy!

Mabuhay Pilipinas!

AH-7Raja

January 22nd, 2007, 01:01 PM

jjpaul_c

January 22nd, 2007, 09:51 PM

Sorry guys, I din't realize the pics were humongous. Here are from the navy website:

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heathcliff

January 23rd, 2007, 04:33 AM

Abu Sayyaf leader Khadaffi Janjalani has been killed in an encounter between the Philippine marines and the Abu Sayyaf. The U.S. Embassy yesterday lauded the military after the remains of the ASG leader has been identified. Reacting to rumors that the CIA had something to do with this, U.S. ambassador Kristie Kenney gave “all the credit” to the Philippine armed forces.

The military has also killed Abu Solaiman, the spokesman of the ASG several days ago, and a day after, killed nine more bandits and captured three others.

TheAvenger

January 24th, 2007, 05:27 PM

Military photos

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jjpaul_c

January 24th, 2007, 09:53 PM

Balikatan to resume Feb. 18
The Philippine Star 01/24/2007
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Philippine and American troops will resume on Feb. 18 their joint annual military exercises, focusing on Jolo where an ongoing military offensive has killed two Abu Sayyaf leaders.

The resumption of the "Balikatan" war games came weeks after the US pulled out of the military exercise at the height of the custody battle over convicted rapist Marine Lance Cpl. Daniel Smith. Washington said the exercise could go ahead after the Philippine government agreed to hand over Smith, 21, to the US Embassy during his appeal.

"The exercise, the 23rd in this series, will be conducted under the auspices of the Mutual Defense Treaty and Visiting Forces Agreement," a US Embassy statement distributed by the Armed Forces of the Philippines said. The exercises end March 4.

The resumption of the war games, the statement said, reflects the "robust and active military partnership" between the Philippines and the US.

The coming Balikatan will also include medical missions and engineering projects to be carried out by US and Filipino troops.

"These will complement similar activities carried out during Balikatan 2006 in the Sulu region as well as ongoing operations by the US Joint Special Operations Task Force-Philippines," the statement said. The Balikatan usually involves 3,000-5,000 US troops.

"As we said all along any kind of training will be good for our forces, in fact good for both sides," AFP chief Gen. Hermogenes Esperon said.

The annual training has proven crucial for Philippine troops, which announced over the weekend they had killed Abu Sayyaf chief Khadaffy Janjalani in a jungle battle in Jolo in September. DNA test results confirmed his death on Saturday.

Days earlier, Philippine army special forces gunned down Abu Sayyaf spokesman Abu Solaiman, who was seen as a possible successor to Janjalani.

Janjalani and Solaiman were accused of plotting the kidnapping of American and Filipino tourists from a resort in Palawan in 2001, during which one of the Americans, Guillermo Sobero, was beheaded. The two were also believed to have masterminded the 2004 ferry blast that killed 116 people in Manila.

The battlefield successes, backed by US intelligence operations, prompted CIA Director Michael Hayden last week to praise US-Philippine cooperation as having "contributed greatly to strengthening the capacity of the Philippine armed forces and the Philippine security services."

"Our victories against the Abu Sayyaf highlight the success of our training and intelligence fusion programs with the United States," said President Arroyo.

The 2001 kidnapping spree by the Abu Sayyaf brought the first American troops to Mindanao.

They have since maintained a presence in Zamboanga City and nearby Jolo, the hotbed of Muslim militants.

The US decision to push ahead with Balikatan was announced by US Charges d’affaires Paul Jones during a visit to Jolo, Sulu last Jan. 8.

The US official was in a command conference presided over by Mrs. Arroyo at Camp Bautista in Barangay Busbus in Jolo.

In Palo, Leyte, members of the 3rd US Marine Expeditionary Brigade offered gifts last Sunday to 132 children, including victims of the deadly mudslide in Barangay Guinsaugon, St. Bernard, Southern Leyte. The gift-giving is part of the Okinawa-based unit’s "Operation Goodwill Delivery."

The gift-giving was held at the Leyte Gulf Landings Memorial National Park.

"We are here once again in our annual operation Goodwill in the Philippines to extend and share our blessings to the poor children," Brig. Gen. Joseph Medina, the group’s leader, said. From Okinawa, the group arrived in Subic and later proceeded to Leyte. "The gifts came from our hearts," Medina said. – with Miriam Desacada and AP

jjpaul_c

January 24th, 2007, 10:06 PM

Ebdane is new defense chief
The Philippine Star 01/24/2007

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President Arroyo has decided to appoint Hermogenes Ebdane Jr. as her new defense chief, a highly placed Malacañang source disclosed yesterday.

The announcement will be made at the end of the month, the source said.

The date will mark two months since the President assumed the defense portfolio following the resignation of Avelino Cruz Jr. amid differences with Palace and Cabinet officials over several controversies, notably efforts to amend the Constitution.

The selection of Ebdane, currently the secretary of public works and highways, goes against one of the recommendations of the special commission formed after the 2003 Oakwood mutiny, which drafted military reforms to end the coup culture in the Armed Forces of the Philippines.

The commission headed by Justice Florentino Feliciano warned against the appointment of retired military or police officers to the top post in the defense department.

Ebdane’s selection also goes against the recommendation of Cruz, who has been widely credited for implementing key proposals in the Philippine Defense Reform program in his two years as defense chief.

Ebdane is a member of the Philippine Military Academy’s Class ’70. He was one of several military and police officers who secured Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo when she was vice president in the months prior to the ouster of Joseph Estrada from the presidency.

Among the other members of that group are Leandro Mendoza, who became President Arroyo’s first Philippine National Police (PNP) chief.

Mendoza is now secretary of transportation of communications. One of his deputies is another member of that security group, retired police officer Reynaldo Berroya, who heads the Land Transportation Office in an acting capacity.

Ebdane replaced Mendoza as PNP chief. His stint at the helm of the PNP became notorious for the escape of Jemaah Islamiyah bomb maker Fathur Rohman al-Ghozi from PNP headquarters at Camp Crame while Australian Prime Minister John Howard was visiting Manila.

Ebdane headed a special police task force against kidnapping when the leader of the Pentagon kidnapping gang, Faisal Marohombsar, also escaped from the task force detention center at Camp Crame.

Upon his retirement from the PNP, Ebdane was named national security adviser. He was later transferred to the Department of Public Works and Highways.

Since the resignation of Cruz, Ebdane has been vocal about his readiness to move to the defense department. Responding to criticisms about the selection of a retired police officer as defense secretary, he said he was already a civilian.

AH-7Raja

January 25th, 2007, 04:27 AM

Tsk new politics again.

Anyway, kung gusto nyong malibang muli, check my latest version of "My Tribute for our soldiers III" at:

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Again many thanks to the skycrapers.com, PEX, PDFF, Opus224, gettyimages, and ofcourse, to all forumers who have provided the photos. Enjoy!

zeejay

January 25th, 2007, 04:34 AM

i cannot say anything about Ebdane coz he was with the PNP. He had military training though when he was in the Philippine Military Academy. Yet he's public service background is more civilian than military. Nevertheless, he may be able to do his job. Supportahan na lang. GMA won't appoint him if he's not competent.

beads_strawberries

January 25th, 2007, 10:56 AM

Well, with his previous performances in the military and the rigorous training coupled with his military experience, I don't see any reason why would there be any questions with his appointment. Maybe some are just murmuring such because wish they could have gotten the position.

Let this be a challenge to the new defense chief to prove that he is worthy of such position. Right now, we are increasing our efforts to fight counter terrorism. The DND should also be in the forefront of these measures.

bitoy

January 25th, 2007, 12:25 PM

As long as Ebdane is not the General that was being carried piggyback by a soldier off the boat na ayaw mabasa yung boots and pants niya during a US/RP miltary exercise. :D

cruizer333444

January 26th, 2007, 06:54 PM

the united states should donate apache attack helicopters to the philippine military. or maybe the philippines can buy the south africa version of the apache. maybe its cheaper than the u.s made?

jjpaul_c

January 26th, 2007, 10:05 PM

^When the US pulls out of Iraq, I’m sure there are useful equipments that will end up in the Philippines.

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OPERATION ENDURING FREEDOM-PHILIPPINES -- A memorial plaque (middle photo) is dedicated to the crew of the MH-47 Chinook that crashed in central Philippines Feb. 22 during a dedication ceremony held July 26 at the Joint Task Force 510 Headquarters, Camp Navarro, Zamboanga, Philippines. (top photo) Air Force Brig. Gen. Donald Wurster, commander, JTF-510, and Brig. Gen. Rodolfo Diaz, vice commander, Armed Forces of the Philippines Southern Command, salute during the ceremony to honor the crew of 'Wild 42'. (bottom photo) During the dedication ceremony, MH0-60s and an MH-47 assigned to the area of operation fly in formation as members of JTF-510 observe a moment of silence. (U.S. Navy photos by Petty Officer 1st Class David J. Weideman)

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BASILAN ISLAND, Philippines -- U.S Army and Armed Forces of the Philippines officers talk with Sir Edward Artis of Knightsbridge International, a U.S.-based non governmental organization which is on Basilan to conduct needs based assessments. (Photo by Maj. Cynthia Teramae)

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MANILA, Philippines -- Adm. Thomas B. Fargo, commander in chief, U.S. Pacific Command, and Col. Robert C. Gervacio, Service Support Group, Armed Forces of the Philippines, presents a wreath at the Philippine Heroes Cemetery at Fort Bonifacio May 18. Fargo is currently in the Philippines observing the ongoing counter-terrorism training between U.S. Special Forces and their Filipino counterparts. (U.S. Pacific Command photo)

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ZAMBOANGA, Philippines - General Richard B. Myers, Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Lt. Gen. Roy A. Cimatu, commander, Southern Command, Army of the Republic of the Philippines, depart SOUTHCOM Headquarters for a tour of the Camp Navarro installation April 28. Myers is on a fact-finding tour of American Forces in the Asia-Pacific region. During his visit to the Philippines, he toured JTF-510 Operations in Zamboanga and on the island of Basilan, where American forces are assisting and advising the Armed Forces of the Philippines in their ongoing operations against terrorist forces. (U.S. Navy Photo by PH1 David J. Weideman)

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TIPO-TIPO TOWN, Basilan island, Philippines -- A U.S. Special Forces soldier shows a Filipino soldier how to adjust the sights on his M-16 during marksmanship training in Tipo-Tipo Town April 24. U.S. forces are currently in the Philippines participating in joint combating-terrorism training with their Filipino counterparts.

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BASILAN ISLAND, Philippines -- A U.S Special Forces soldier checks a Filipino scout ranger's target during marksmanship training on Basilan Island in southern Philippines April 18. About 660 U.S. personnel are deployed to the Philippines to assist and Armed Forces of the Philippines forces during counter-terrorism training.

RP wants US help in routing communists
By Sam Mediavilla, Reporter
Link (http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/jan/26/yehey/top_stories/20070126top3.html)

The Philippine government will welcome US counterinsurgency assistance against the Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP) and the New People’s Army (NPA), Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita said on Thursday.
Ermita hinted at growing US involvement in the Philippines’ internal security affairs while discussing the coming joint Balikatan war games in Jolo.
Interviewed after his sendoff of President Arroyo, who left Thursday morning for Davos, Switzerland, Ermita said the Chief Executive is glad that both counterterrorism and counterinsurgency campaigns are “moving forward, very smoothly.”
Bush call
The executive secretary said the recent counterterrorism successes by the Armed Forces has pleased the Americans so much that they have hinted at a possible personal call of congratulations from US President George W. Bush.
Ermita said the call is expected during President Arroyo’s Davos visit. He did not say where the announcement came from.
US Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs Karen Hughes and US Ambassador to Manila Kristie Kenney were guests Wednesday night at a Malacañang dinner honoring troops that killed Abu Sayyaf chieftain Khaddafy Janjalani.
Hughes on Thursday insisted American troops did not play a combat role in the Philippines’ successful raid on Islamic militants in the south.
“We are not engaged in combat operations,” said Hughes, a key adviser to US President George W. Bush, as she visited Jolo island a week after Filipino troops announced they had killed the group’s top two leaders, Khadaffy Janjalani and Abu Solaiman.
She said the two governments were “cooperating together to try to weed out the forces that threaten violence and threaten to terrorize.
“We want to partner with the people of the Philippines in a way that would help them stop the terrorists from threatening peace and stability,” Hughes added.
Hughes described the US involvement in the Philippines as “diplomacy of peace,” adding, “the things that we are doing are concrete ways to help people have better lives,” after inspecting school buildings and computer units provided by the US government.
A team of US military advisers has been operating in Jolo since last year, when the Philippine military launched an offensive to flush out suspected key Jemaah Islamiyah operatives sheltering with the Abu Sayyaf.
Change of heart
Ermita said US aid in the fight against Abu Sayyaf militants have changed Jolo folks’ view about the Balikatan, which is scheduled next month in that island.
In 2001, Ermita said, Jolo residents fiercely opposed Balikatan despite the benefits that went with the joint exercises.
“But when they started to have the next balikatan in Cotabato, the Joloanos through the government, signified their desire to welcome the next Balikatan in Jolo,” Ermita said.
Malacañang officials have spent the last two weeks trumpeting the benefits of US military aid and the war games, which were almost scuttled by a custody row over a US Marine convicted of raping a Filipino woman.
The midnight transfer of Lance Corporal Daniel Smith from the Makati City Jail to the US Embassy sparked outrage and accusations that the Philippine government was acting like an American puppet.
Ermita said the recent trouncing of the Abu Sayyaf shows the advantages of RP-US military training, particularly on the “exchange of intelligence and technological know-how.”