We never learned.

We are buying ukay ukay armaments again..


Air Force chopper explodes
Manila Standard
Sept. 13, 2010:ohno::ohno:


An Air Force Huey helicopter on Friday exploded seconds after it touched down in Santa Lucia, Ilocos Sur. Its crew and seven soldiers onboard were safe, Lt. Col. Miguel Ernesto Okol said.

The helicopter was ferrying the army soldiers to Barangay Sapang in Santa Lucia, but the aircraft piloted by Capt. John Gador and Lt. Edbert Ngina suffered engine trouble and was forced to land around 2 p.m.

The soldiers were supposed to beef up a detachment in Sapang where operations against communist rebels in the area were ongoing.

Soldiers of the 50th Infantry Battalion who responded to the scene said the helicopter pilot, his co-pilot, two crew members and the Army soldiers managed to flee before the aircraft was engulfed by fire.

Senior Supt. Eduardo Dopale, director of the Ilocos provincial police, said the chopper was completely burned. Florante Solmerin

Oh really? Can you provide us a link to your news reference? Otherwise, it will be another hearsay from you...

Probably, you forgot the read again my previous post before making your reply.

Anyway, here's another article to prove its not just a hearsay...:):)

PAF Grounds Huey Helicopter Fleet

By ANJO PEREZ
September 11, 2010, 5:41pm
Manila Bulletin

MANILA, Philippines — The entire fleet of Philippine Air Force (PAF) UH-1H “Huey” helicopters has been grounded by PAF chief Lt. Gen. Oscar Rabena following the incident last Friday wherein one of their choppers was engulfed in flames after making an emergency landing in Ilocos Norte.

This was revealed on Saturday by PAF spokesperson Lt. Col. Migue Okol who said the entire “Huey” fleet will remain grounded until investigators determine the cause of the fire.

According to Okol, the PAF Huey helicopter with tail number 330 was on a resupply mission in support of the 503rd Army Infantry Brigade and was ferrying several soldiers when the incident happened.

While enroute, Capt. John Gador and Lt. Edbert Ngina experienced engine problems and were forced to make a precautionary landing in an open field in Barangay Nagrebcan.

After safely touching down with all the passengers and crew out of the aircraft, a fire reportedly developed inside the engine bay which became too big for the crew to put out with their fire extinguishers.

With the aircraft still fully loaded with fuel, the fire spread to the fuel tanks causing the fire to engulf the entire aircraft.

The Huey chopper was left in a total state of disrepair.

The UH-1H helicopter is the PAF’s workhorse used in combat, troop transport, rescue, and re-supply missions. With the latest incident, the PAF is now left with just about 40 Huey helicopters.

Meanwhile, the PAF is anticipating the delivery of eight brand-new utility helicopters from Poland to replace their aging fleet of UH-1H’s.

According to Okol, they expect the delivery of the combat utility helicopters from PZL Swienik Company of Poland by the first quarter of 2011.

Okol disclosed that the Swienik helicopter can carry 14 persons, including the pilot and co-pilot, and has a maximum speed of 260 kph with a range of 745 km, non-stop. The Sweinik can climb to an altitude of 19,680 feet, which is more than twice the height that the Huey can climb.

Oh really? Can you provide us a link to your news reference? Otherwise, it will be another hearsay from you...

eto pa...

Air Force chopper explodes in Ilocos Sur; passengers safe

By Villamor Visaya Jr.
Inquirer Northern Luzon
First Posted 16:32:00 09/10/2010

Filed Under: Explosion, Accidents (general), Military

CAMP MELCHOR DELA CRUZ, Isabela – (UPDATE) Government soldiers and the flight crew of a Philippine Air Force UH-1H helicopter survived Friday afternoon when the aircraft exploded seconds after it touched down in Barangay (village) Nagrebcan in Santa Lucia in Ilocos Sur.

The helicopter was ferrying several army soldiers to Barangay Sapang in Santa Lucia, but the aircraft failed to reach the destination due to engine trouble and was forced to land around 2 p.m.

The passengers were supposed to beef up a detachment in Sapang where combat operations against communist rebels in the area were ongoing.

Colonel Rogelio Migote, commander of the 50th Infantry Battalion soldiers who responded to the scene, said the helicopter pilot, his co-pilot, two crew members and the Army soldiers managed to flee before the helicopter was engulfed by fire.

In a separate statement, Colonel Essel Soriano, commander of the Army 503 Brigade, said the aircraft piloted by Captain John Gador and Lieutenant Edbert Ngina, was totally burned, but none of its seven passengers were injured.

"They are all safe, no casualty, the damage is on the aircraft," Soriano said.

Meanwhile, the Commanding General of the Air Force has sent an investigation team to determine the cause of the incident.
With a report from Katherine Evangelista, INQUIRER.NET

^^ grounded?? so meaning wala tayong ginagamit na helipcopters ngayon?? hmmm if meron kaunti lang masyado,... and if they are going to waiit for the brand new choppers next year... 8 lang? di ba kulang yun??

but anyway, i hope maprioritize din yung combat utility helicopters natin,... sana ma replace na yang UH-1H natin ng mas bago kasi luma na eh parang di na nakakagulat kung bakit bumagsak,... at least additional new 50 to 60 lang na helicopters is ok,.... kahit mga W-3 sokols lang ayus na yun,...:cheers:

Marine Corps acquires new combat gadgets

Written by Bong Garcia Jr. / Correspondent
Wednesday, 15 September 2010 11:40

ZAMBOANGA CITY—The fighting capability of the troops from the Philippine Marine Corps (PMC) will be further enhanced with the acquisition of new gadgets, a top military official disclosed on Wednesday.

Lt. Gen. Benjamin Mohammad Dolorfino, Western Mindanao Command (Wesmincom), said the PMC recently acquired night-fighting-system gadgets.

Most, if not all, of the battalions of the PMC’s three brigades are deployed within the area of jurisdiction of the Wesmincom that stretches from Tawi-Tawi up to Misamis Occidental.

Dolorfino said the night-fighting-system gadgets are a combination of night-vision goggles and target systems that are shock- and water-proof.

“It will give us complete night-fighting capability and accuracy,” Dolorfino said, noting that currently the PMC troops are already equipped with just the night-vision goggles.

As a result, the troops could see their enemy at night, but there is no target accuracy, such as that provided by the newly acquired gadgets.

He said the PMC is set to train personnel on the use of the newly acquired gadgets for use in the fight against the Abu Sayyaf.

“Definitely, [we can nail many of them with this],” he said, referring to the ASG bandits.

Dolorfino’s command is running after at least 300 Abu Sayyaf bandits, including Jema’ah Islamiyah militant Marwan, whose real name is Zulkifli bin Hir, believed to be hiding in the province of Sulu.

Marwan is a Malaysian national and an engineer by profession. The United States government is offering a reward of up to $5 million dollars for information leading to the arrest and conviction of Marwan, a terrorist believed to be involved in multiple deadly bomb attacks in the Philippines.

Of the remaining 300 Abu Sayyaf bandits, 200 are believed hiding in Sulu and 100 in Basilan, Dolorfino said.

http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/nation/1315-marine-corps-acquires-new-combat-gadgets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHmiqmfNLhE

cool Russian Military commercial,...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfp-jqJB81U

Nice Royal British Military video,...

Probably, you forgot the read again my previous post before making your reply.


No you mentioned in post # 736 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=63690765&postcount=736) that there is another Huey helicopter accident!

Actually, I have learned that another ukay ukay Huey helicopter crashed because it malfunctioned and caught fire.

eto pa...

CAMP MELCHOR DELA CRUZ, Isabela – (UPDATE) Government soldiers and the flight crew of a Philippine Air Force UH-1H helicopter survived Friday afternoon when the aircraft exploded seconds after it touched down in Barangay (village) Nagrebcan in Santa Lucia in Ilocos Sur.


Did it say that the Huey helicopter crashed?

No you mentioned in post # 736 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=63690765&postcount=736) that there is another Huey helicopter accident!


You should read and understand my post carefully .

Did it say that the Huey helicopter crashed?
crash- landed.

And its not a hearsay.

PS

The love the term invented by kalbongdad--" ukay ukay" armaments. Citation to him.

Like the moron chief of Customs because he cant fight ukay ukay smuggling he just want to legalized it. Damn.

^^^ Doesn't it they are acquiring other brand new aircrafts and these refurbished Hueys are just an addition? PAF Hueys are definitely old and was donated decades back and has not reconfigured and refurbished. As far as I am concern, if the engine and it's electical has been overhauled, it is as good as brand new, just like cars. I don't think they are really using these Hueys for combat, it's probably to carry personnels and for rescue. I am not against acquiring a more modern and newer helicopters if the Philippine budget permits it however, the Philippine forces knew what they are buying and probably see something we dont see in these refurbished Hueys so why not??? They don't have the right budget for it. Hopefully they would maintain these aircrafts properly.

^^^ Doesn't it they are acquiring other brand new aircrafts and these refurbished Hueys are just an addition? PAF Hueys are definitely old and was donated decades back and has not reconfigured and refurbished. As far as I am concern, if the engine and it's electical has been overhauled, it is as good as brand new, just like cars. I don't think they are really using these Hueys for combat, it's probably to carry personnels and for rescue. I am not against acquiring a more modern and newer helicopters if the Philippine budget permits it however, the Philippine forces knew what they are buying and probably see something we dont see in these refurbished Hueys so why not??? They don't have the right budget for it. Hopefully they would maintain these aircrafts properly.

The good news is the AFP is slowly buying brand new aircrafts to replace its ageing fleet despite limited budget.

I just hope, even by piecemeal, the AFP should buy brand new.

Of course it will be a welcome development if we buy ( at concessional rates or through counter trade from well-known armament makers like the US, Russia, France, Israel, Italy or even Korea).

Our neighbors are arming themselves maybe because they are afraid of the now fire breathing China.

The planned rehabilitation of the military garrison (garrisons perhaps) in pag-Asa island, Kalayaan is a welcome development.

Despite having a weak military, we should continuously assert even symbolically our claim to the Kalayaan Islands (Spratlys).

A few surface to surface and surface to air missiles mounted in fast attack crafts should be stationed in kalayaan.

^^ yah, ur right,...we should focus in that island coz China is getting crazy claiming that island,... its all because of oil... and for me, practically its better to buy brand new aircrafts and vehicles,... so its really reasonable prioritizing to strengthen our air force and navy as of now coz as all we know,... we are surrounded by waters so navy together with the air force will be the 1st line of defense... and later will be the land forces,...

You should read and understand my post carefully .
.

I don't think so because your choice of words are the very reason why there was a confusion which leads to misunderstanding... You should be careful with what words you use before posting.

^^ yah, ur right,...we should focus in that island coz China is getting crazy claiming that island,... its all because of oil... and for me, practically its better to buy brand new aircrafts and vehicles,... so its really reasonable prioritizing to strengthen our air force and navy as of now coz as all we know,... we are surrounded by waters so navy together with the air force will be the 1st line of defense... and later will be the land forces,...

No, China has ancestral claims to those islands centuries back while the Philippines only has territorial rights to those islands because of modern day international laws (EEZ).

Ancient Chinese maps record the "Thousand Li Stretch of Sands"; Qianli Changsha (千里長沙) and the "Ten-Thousand Li of Stone Pools"; Wanli Shitang (萬里石塘), which China today claims refers to the Spratly Islands. The Wanli Shitang have been explored by the Chinese since Western Han Dynasty in 2 BC and in Yuan Dynasty (1200s) they have been considered within their national boundaries. They are also referenced in the 13th century, followed by the Ming Dynasty. When the Ming Dynasty collapsed, the Qing Dynasty continued to include the territory in maps compiled in 1724, 1755, 1767, 1810, and 1817.

The Spratlys is too valuable strategically for the US to allow China to control it.

China's claims is based on "historical" records, the Philippines claim is based on proximity. Malaysia and Vietnam's claims are based on historical and continental shelf principle: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/spratly-claims.htm

^^ yah, ur right,...we should focus in that island coz China is getting crazy claiming that island,... its all because of oil... and for me, practically its better to buy brand new aircrafts and vehicles,... so its really reasonable prioritizing to strengthen our air force and navy as of now coz as all we know,... we are surrounded by waters so navy together with the air force will be the 1st line of defense... and later will be the land forces,...

And yes, I think this is why the government is on with the procurement of a brandnew training jets with light attack capabilities for reconnaissance. I don't think the Hueys would be used for that purpose, it's mostly for transport and rescue. So the Philippine government is still on the right tract on that aspect. It's really the Spratly chain of Islands that the Philippines would be threatened with China. I doubt if they will attack the mainland but just to drive Philippine forces off Kalayaan Island. Perhaps they might attack Philippine military bases in the mainland but I am sure they would be hesitating to do these because of the international treaty, united nations and the Philippines has the United State's complete support because they would not want China to gain military strength around asia.



No, China has ancestral claims to those islands centuries back while the Philippines only has territorial rights to those islands because of modern day international laws (EEZ).
That is one side of the story and yes it is true that China has ancestral claims. It is however also true that because of China's increasing economic and military strength compells them to try being self sufficient in energy because the demand is getting bigger and bigger day by day and their population continues to grow as well. They need these oil resources and and newer technology to keep up with it's own demand since they are being suspected by the US of trying to increase their military presence outside China. I wish I could remember which paper I read these from, I am not sure if it is biased reporting but somehow it sounded legit because China is slowly dominating the whole world with it's technology and such that even the United States owe them trillions.

I am not sure if these articles would help but atleast they mentioned China Maritime strategies and their emergence as world's superpower competing with the US and Europe would rank as third.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/17/david-miliband-china-world-power

http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/PUB721.pdf


Motivation Behind the String of Pearls.

China’s development, from its expanding economy and increased global influence to its growing
military might and demand for energy, presents tremendous challenges to China’s leaders as they
manage the turmoil of massive structural, technological, and social changes. The governing elites of
China have three overarching concerns: regime survival, territorial integrity, and domestic stability.12
Regime survival is the foremost concern of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), and party leadership
is acutely aware that their success hinges upon the satisfaction of the Chinese people and the
government’s ability to protect Chinese national interests

And yes, I think this is why the government is on with the procurement of a brandnew training jets with light attack capabilities for reconnaissance. I don't think the Hueys would be used for that purpose, it's mostly for transport and rescue.


^^ Huey helicopter configured for light attack...

http://taskforceomegainc.org/UH1.jpg

The AFP also uses their Huey helicopters for such purpose. Have you watched the local movie "Mistah" and the foreign movie "Apocalypse Now"? You will see PAF Huey helicopters there that were configured for light attack purposes.

OH, I am sure they are also capable of light attacks especially if it is reconfigured for one. They can't transport any personnel alone without these capabilities in the event that there is a crisis. So, somehow even if it is mostly used for transport and rescue operations they need to arm these helicopters in cases of emergencies..

I don't think so because your choice of words are the very reason why there was a confusion which leads to misunderstanding... You should be careful with what words you use before posting.


Again, understand and read my posts carefully so that you will not be confused.:)

Marine Corps acquires new combat gadgets

Written by Bong Garcia Jr. / Correspondent
Wednesday, 15 September 2010 11:40

ZAMBOANGA CITY—The fighting capability of the troops from the Philippine Marine Corps (PMC) will be further enhanced with the acquisition of new gadgets, a top military official disclosed on Wednesday.

Lt. Gen. Benjamin Mohammad Dolorfino, Western Mindanao Command (Wesmincom), said the PMC recently acquired night-fighting-system gadgets.

Most, if not all, of the battalions of the PMC’s three brigades are deployed within the area of jurisdiction of the Wesmincom that stretches from Tawi-Tawi up to Misamis Occidental.

Dolorfino said the night-fighting-system gadgets are a combination of night-vision goggles and target systems that are shock- and water-proof.

“It will give us complete night-fighting capability and accuracy,” Dolorfino said, noting that currently the PMC troops are already equipped with just the night-vision goggles.

As a result, the troops could see their enemy at night, but there is no target accuracy, such as that provided by the newly acquired gadgets.

He said the PMC is set to train personnel on the use of the newly acquired gadgets for use in the fight against the Abu Sayyaf.

“Definitely, [we can nail many of them with this],” he said, referring to the ASG bandits.

Dolorfino’s command is running after at least 300 Abu Sayyaf bandits, including Jema’ah Islamiyah militant Marwan, whose real name is Zulkifli bin Hir, believed to be hiding in the province of Sulu.

Marwan is a Malaysian national and an engineer by profession. The United States government is offering a reward of up to $5 million dollars for information leading to the arrest and conviction of Marwan, a terrorist believed to be involved in multiple deadly bomb attacks in the Philippines.

Of the remaining 300 Abu Sayyaf bandits, 200 are believed hiding in Sulu and 100 in Basilan, Dolorfino said.

http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/nation/1315-marine-corps-acquires-new-combat-gadgets

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Air Force acquires 8 Polish-made attack helicopters

By Roel Pareño
(The Philippine Star)
Updated September 18, 2010 12:00 AM Comments (3) View comments

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=612969&publicationSubCategoryId=63

ZAMBOANGA CITY, Philippines – The capability of the Philippine Air Force (PAF) will be enhanced with the purchase of eight Polish-made attack helicopters.

PAF chief Lt. Gen. Oscar Rabena announced yesterday that the Air Force has already acquired eight brand new Sokol W-3WA Falcon helicopters
from the PZL Swidnik Co. of Poland.

Rabena said the helicopters, purchased at a cost of P2.8 billion, are all heavily equipped.

Rabena said the twin-engine combat helicopters would be delivered early next year.

PAF spokesman Lt. Col. Miguel Ernesto Okol said the delivery of the helicopters would also include the training of the pilots and proper use of the weaponry for crewmen.

Okol said Sokol Falcon helicopter has weapons that include a GSz-23L gun, Strzala-2 AAMs missiles and Gad fire-control system.

The helicopter is also equipped with night vision capability, compatible instrumentation and armored seats that protect crewmembers from small arms fire.

He said the other helicopter units would be equipped with starboard-mounted 23mm GSz-23 twin-barrel gun; Mars-2 launchers for sixteen 57mm S-5 or 80mm S-8 unguided rockets, ZR-8 bomblet dispensers, Platan mine laying packs, and six cabin window mounted AK 47, 5.45mm Tantal or PKM machine guns.

Okol said the helicopters could be used for rescue missions.

A lawmaker, on the other hand, raised alarm yesterday over the possibility that the purchase of the helicopters was rigged.

Bayan Muna party-list Rep. Teodoro Casiño claimed there are “tell-tale signs” of anomalies in the transaction.

Casiño raised the issue yesterday during the budget deliberations for the AFP at the House committee on appropriations.

During the hearing, military officials revealed that only one bidder, PZL Swidnik Co., participated in the bidding and eventually bagged the contract to supply the helicopters at P3,180,169,000.

Military officials said the bidding was held last Sept. 9 at AFP headquarters in Camp Aguinaldo.

The helicopter purchase is a project under the AFP Capability Upgrade Program funded by the annual P5-billion AFP Modernization Fund.

Upon questioning by Casiño, AFP officials admitted the P3.2-billion budget was originally intended to purchase 14 attack helicopters.

In December 2009, then defense secretary Norberto Gonzales announced the acquisition was down to eight W-3 Sokol combat utility helicopters worth P2.8 billion.

But in last week’s bidding, the number of units had gone down to seven while the cost increased to P3.2 billion.

Casiño said it was suspicious that five of the six interested bidders backed out of the bidding process.

These included such big names in the industry like Boeing, Asia Aerospace/MD Helicopter Inc., Eurocopter, Elbit System/Joavi Phils. and the Russian Federation.

“When only one bidder qualifies in any bid process, that is usually a tell-tale sign that the bidding is tailored-fit for one supplier,” he said.

“You don’t usually back out of a P3-billion contract unless you know it’s a futile exercise, meaning the bidding is rigged in some way,” Casiño said.

He said it defies logic that only one bidder can satisfy the requirements set by the Department of National Defense and the PAF.

“It would be interesting to know why these reputable companies did not participate,” he said.

Under further questioning from the lawmakers, Defense department Bids and Awards Committee chairman Ernesto Boac admitted the bid documents were not projected via overhead projector for all participants to see during the Sept. 9 public bidding procedure, unlike in previous bid openings.

When Casiño asked if PZL Swidnik had won contracts in the past under similar circumstances, Boac replied the company was also the sole bidder in another contract for helicopters sometime last year but could not recall the details.

“The AFP officials could not satisfactorily answer questions pertaining to the bidding process of these attack helicopters. We have therefore requested them to furnish Congress pertinent documents,” Casiño said.

Casiño also warned of another bid opening set on Sept. 23, 2010 for the purchase of multi-purpose helicopters and C-130 aircraft worth P2.5 billion.

He said these purchases might be put in peril given the questionable circumstances of the Sept. 9 bidding.

“The information reaching my office is that no one wants to participate in the bidding anymore due to the fear that there is already a favored company who will be qualified,” Casiño said. – With Paolo Romero

Originally by April_boy

Bayan Muna party-list Rep. Teodoro Casiño claimed there are “tell-tale signs” of anomalies in the transaction.

Casiño raised the issue yesterday during the budget deliberations for the AFP at the House committee on appropriations.

During the hearing, military officials revealed that only one bidder, PZL Swidnik Co., participated in the bidding and eventually bagged the contract to supply the helicopters at P3,180,169,000.

Military officials said the bidding was held last Sept. 9 at AFP headquarters in Camp Aguinaldo.

The helicopter purchase is a project under the AFP Capability Upgrade Program funded by the annual P5-billion AFP Modernization Fund.

Upon questioning by Casiño, AFP officials admitted the P3.2-billion budget was originally intended to purchase 14 attack helicopters.

In December 2009, then defense secretary Norberto Gonzales announced the acquisition was down to eight W-3 Sokol combat utility helicopters worth P2.8 billion.


I hope this would not cause delay for years and years before it can happen since PAF has grounded it's Huey Helicopters.

I hope this would not cause delay for years and years before it can happen since PAF has grounded it's Huey Helicopters.


Agree.:cheers:

Again, understand and read my posts carefully so that you will not be confused.:)

Nah I will not listen to people like you! :ohno:

Again there is NO RECENT NEWS OF A PAF HELICOPTER THAT CRASHED!

Nah I will not listen to people like you! :ohno:

Again there is NO RECENT NEWS OF A PAF HELICOPTER THAT CRASHED!

Your lost not mine...boinks!

Australia donates 21 airboats to AFP

By Jaime Laude
(The Philippine Star)
Updated September 19, 2010 12:00 AM Comments (2) View comments

MANILA, Philippines - The Australian government has donated and delivered 21 military airboats worth AUS7.8 million to the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP).

AFP spokesman Brig. Gen. Jose Mabanta said the Australian government made the donation in line with its defense cooperation agreement with the Philippines.

Mabanta confirmed the delivery and added the airboats are now being deployed in Mindanao.

Mabanta though clarified the boats would not be used in operations against the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF).

“Basically, our main objective in deploying these airboats at Liguasan Marsh is to deny the Abu Sayyaf Group and their regional counterpart, the Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) sanctuary into the area. As to the MILF, we don’t need them because we have peace talks with them,” he said.

Mabanta issued this assurance after the MILF has raised an alarm over the deliveries of the airboats that it claimed are equipped with Global Positioning System (GPS) last week in Cotabato port.

The MILF also reported that aside from 21 watercraft capable of operating in shallow waters like Liguasan, the military had received 21 amphibian tanks.

They were seen being towed towards the headquarters of the Army’s 6th Infantry Division in Awang, Maguindanao after being unloaded from an Australian cargo vessel, Taras Oceanic Douglas that dropped anchor at Polloc Port last Sept. 11.

“No. There was no amphibian tank. What we have now was a total watercraft system package under the Joint Philippine-Australia Watercraft Project (JPAWP),” Mabanta clarified, referring to the 21 units of airboats and trailer trucks donated by Australia.

The watercraft project which includes training, service and other support systems, Mabanta said, is in accordance with the Status of Visiting Forces Agreement (SOVFA) Australia
had with the Philippines — a defense agreement signed in Canberra in May 2007.

A staunch ally of the Philippines in its ongoing anti-terrorism drive in Mindanao, the Australian government has promised to provide the AFP the much-needed airboats in order to effectively operate against terrorist groups hiding in the Liguasan marsh.

Apart from being a known enclave of the MILF, Liguasan marsh in Central Mindanao serves as the withdrawal point of Abu Sayyaf and JI militants evading security forces.

“With the airboats, our anti-terror drive in Mindanao is shifting several knots higher,” Mabanta said.

The airboats, according to Mabanta, would be used by Army’s Special Forces Riverine Battalion (SFRB).

Usually used in small unit military operations, the watercraft can carry up to seven fully armed soldiers and can operate in shallow waters and marshlands, the typical terrain in Central Mindanao.

Also known as a fan boat, airboats are flat-bottomed vessels propelled in a forward direction by an aircraft-type propeller and powered by either an aircraft or automotive engine.

Airboats are a very popular means of transportation not only in Australia but also in the Florida Everglades, where they are used for fishing, bow fishing, hunting and eco-tourism.

^^^^^^

similar to this..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Air_boat.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Hydrilla_verticillata_collection_LakeSeminoleFL.jpg/399px-Hydrilla_verticillata_collection_LakeSeminoleFL.jpg

Your lost not mine...boinks!

wrong grammar :lol::lol::lol:

wrong grammar :lol::lol::lol:

He always is... wrong grammar and choice of words! magtagalog ka na lang April Boy!!

Australia donates 21 airboats to AFP

By Jaime Laude
(The Philippine Star)
Updated September 19, 2010 12:00 AM Comments (2) View comments

MANILA, Philippines - The Australian government has donated and delivered 21 military airboats worth AUS7.8 million to the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP).

AFP spokesman Brig. Gen. Jose Mabanta said the Australian government made the donation in line with its defense cooperation agreement with the Philippines.

Mabanta confirmed the delivery and added the airboats are now being deployed in Mindanao.

Mabanta though clarified the boats would not be used in operations against the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF).

“Basically, our main objective in deploying these airboats at Liguasan Marsh is to deny the Abu Sayyaf Group and their regional counterpart, the Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) sanctuary into the area. As to the MILF, we don’t need them because we have peace talks with them,” he said.

Mabanta issued this assurance after the MILF has raised an alarm over the deliveries of the airboats that it claimed are equipped with Global Positioning System (GPS) last week in Cotabato port.

The MILF also reported that aside from 21 watercraft capable of operating in shallow waters like Liguasan, the military had received 21 amphibian tanks.

They were seen being towed towards the headquarters of the Army’s 6th Infantry Division in Awang, Maguindanao after being unloaded from an Australian cargo vessel, Taras Oceanic Douglas that dropped anchor at Polloc Port last Sept. 11.

“No. There was no amphibian tank. What we have now was a total watercraft system package under the Joint Philippine-Australia Watercraft Project (JPAWP),” Mabanta clarified, referring to the 21 units of airboats and trailer trucks donated by Australia.

The watercraft project which includes training, service and other support systems, Mabanta said, is in accordance with the Status of Visiting Forces Agreement (SOVFA) Australia
had with the Philippines — a defense agreement signed in Canberra in May 2007.

A staunch ally of the Philippines in its ongoing anti-terrorism drive in Mindanao, the Australian government has promised to provide the AFP the much-needed airboats in order to effectively operate against terrorist groups hiding in the Liguasan marsh.

Apart from being a known enclave of the MILF, Liguasan marsh in Central Mindanao serves as the withdrawal point of Abu Sayyaf and JI militants evading security forces.

“With the airboats, our anti-terror drive in Mindanao is shifting several knots higher,” Mabanta said.

The airboats, according to Mabanta, would be used by Army’s Special Forces Riverine Battalion (SFRB).

Usually used in small unit military operations, the watercraft can carry up to seven fully armed soldiers and can operate in shallow waters and marshlands, the typical terrain in Central Mindanao.

Also known as a fan boat, airboats are flat-bottomed vessels propelled in a forward direction by an aircraft-type propeller and powered by either an aircraft or automotive engine.

Airboats are a very popular means of transportation not only in Australia but also in the Florida Everglades, where they are used for fishing, bow fishing, hunting and eco-tourism.

Are they brand new?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3531/3714948234_11a45c49b7.jpg

Elite Unit
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09zrezie1i39i/610x.jpg

Those are members of the Light Reaction Battalion!

^^ grounded?? so meaning wala tayong ginagamit na helipcopters ngayon?? hmmm if meron kaunti lang masyado,... and if they are going to waiit for the brand new choppers next year... 8 lang? di ba kulang yun??

but anyway, i hope maprioritize din yung combat utility helicopters natin,... sana ma replace na yang UH-1H natin ng mas bago kasi luma na eh parang di na nakakagulat kung bakit bumagsak,... at least additional new 50 to 60 lang na helicopters is ok,.... kahit mga W-3 sokols lang ayus na yun,...:cheers:

I hope this would not cause delay for years and years before it can happen since PAF has grounded it's Huey Helicopters.

The grounding is temporary and a common procedure... it can also happen to the W3 Sokol because no aircraft is accident-free!

^^

Lawmaker sees anomaly in chopper deal (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/09/17/10/lawmaker-sees-anomaly-chopper-deal)
abs-cbnNEWS.com
Posted at 09/17/2010 3:19 PM | Updated as of 09/17/2010 3:19 PM

MANILA, Philippines - Bayan Muna Rep. Teodoro Casiño on Friday said the military may have rigged a multibillion-peso contract in the purchase of 7 helicopters as part of its modernization program.

In Thursday's budget hearing, the Armed Forces revealed that only one bidder, PZL Swidnik of Poland, participated in the bidding and bagged the contract worth P3,180,169,000. The bidding was held last September 9 at the AFP headquarters in Camp Aguinaldo.

Military officials admitted that the P3.2 billion budget was originally for 14 attack helicopters. In December 2009, then Defense Secretary Norberto Gonzales announced that the acquisition was down to eight W-3 Sokol combat utility helicopters worth P2.8 billion. But in last week's bidding, the number of units had gone down to seven while the cost increased to P3.2B.

Casiño said it was suspicious that 5 of the 6 interested bidders backed out of the bidding process. These included such big names in the industry like Boeing, Asia Aerospace/MD Helicopter Inc., Eurocopter, Elbit System/Joavi Phils. and the Russian Federation.

"When only one bidder 'qualifies' in any bid process, that is usually a tell-tale sign that the bidding is tailored-fit for one supplier,” he said in a statement.

"You don't usually back out of a P3 billion contract unless you know its a futile exercise, meaning the bidding is rigged in some way. It defies logic that only one bidder can satisfy the requirements set by the DND and the PAF. It would be interesting to know why these reputable companies did not participate," he added.

Ernesto Boac, chairman of the defense department's bids and awards committee, also admitted PZL Swidnik had won another contract last year under similar circumstances.

Casiño warned that another bid opening set on September 23, 2010 for multi-purpose helicopters and C-130 aircraft worth P2.5 billion might be put in peril given the questionable circumstances of the September 9 bidding. "The information reaching my office is that no one wants to participate in the bidding anymore due to the fear that there is already a favored company who will be qualified," he said.

from wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_W-3_Sok%C3%B3%C5%82

Philippine Air Force ordered 8 units for its Combat Utility Helicopters and 7 units of W-3PL Gluszec(Only Version with flir which satisfies the minimum requirement) for its attack helicopters[2] The price for the delivery is 3 Billion pesos for CUH and 3.2 Billion Pesos for the attack version ($67.65 million).[3][4]

wag nang pakinggan yang mga makakaliwa....meron mga hidden agenda ang mga yan....

The grounding is temporary and a common procedure... it can also happen to the W3 Sokol because no aircraft is accident-free!

They do have plans to modernize the PAF or Philippine military, right? They've already set aside funds for it. I was just saying I hope that plan wont get hampered after someone voiced out their concern on how the aircrafts are being purchased (Rep Teodoro Casiño). Whether they ground all the Hueys temporarily or permanently, they should push through with the modernization because the Philippine forces badly need it. Obviously, the Philippine military does not have the capability to keep these old Hueys flying safe at all times that the incidents of crashes is starting to be more and more close to one another possibly because of the fact its parts are harder to find and more expensive. Unlike the refurbished Hueys there are buying that is overhauled and that it's parts would still be available for the time being.

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boinks!

They do have plans to modernize the PAF or Philippine military, right? They've already set aside funds for it. I was just saying I hope that plan wont get hampered after someone voiced out their concern on how the aircrafts are being purchased (Rep Teodoro Casiño). Whether they ground all the Hueys temporarily or permanently, they should push through with the modernization because the Philippine forces badly need it. Obviously, the Philippine military does not have the capability to keep these old Hueys flying safe at all times that the incidents of crashes is starting to be more and more close to one another possibly because of the fact its parts are harder to find and more expensive. Unlike the refurbished Hueys there are buying that is overhauled and that it's parts would still be available for the time being.

I think I agree with kalbongdad. These leftists have their own agenda.

Anyway, the "real' modernization (acquisition of brand new equipments) of the AFP should continue.

And my hope is the same Polish-Italian manufacturer will win again (in the bidding).

And I don't think even airline companies for instance would ground all their fleets at the same time indefinitely just like that unless they really found something that would raise suspecions on it's safety. Obviously, there is really something wrong with thoseHueys that recorded crashes the past 2 years are all so frequently. They never grounded it before and now that it has become more prevalent, they decided to ground all Hueys and acted fast on buying newer helicopters. Although, we can suspect that the left wing has hidden agenda, you can't avoid not to get suspicious when the order is abrupt and has decripancies on figures. But I hope they would resolve these issue with complete transparency just to not hamper the much needed and awaited modernization. Now is the best time for it while there is a fund allocated for it.

RP Coast Guard to get P1.6B for 2 new choppers
09/19/2010 | 05:52 PM
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/201398/rp-coast-guard-to-get-p16b-for-2-new-choppers

Hoping to boost the country’s capacity to respond to sea tragedies, the Aquino government has allotted P1.6 billion for the Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) to acquire two new choppers equipped for search and rescue operations and other functions.

Under its Maritime Disaster Response Helicopter Acquisition Project, the PCG is set to acquire two all-weather, twin engine utility helicopters capable of performing vital functions, especially search and rescue operations in cases of sea mishaps.

The entire project aims to procure as many as seven helicopters but the earmarked amount is enough only for two.

The allocation is included in the 2011 General Appropriations Act by Malacañang, which is currently being deliberated in Congress. Lawmakers hope to enact the proposed budget before the year ends.

“This is long overdue, and we give credit to [President Benigno Aquino III] for finally deciding to support the project, at least initially," said Cebu Rep. Eduardo Gullas in a statement on Sunday.

He said the government should not wait for another tragedy — such as the August 23 Manila hostage-taking incident that left eight Hong Kong tourists dead and was blamed on ill-equipped and poorly trained police operatives — before building up the PCG’s capacity to save lives at sea.

According to the PCG, the two helicopters will have “interoperability" with the agency’s boats, which will allow for faster hoisting of more people to safety during rescue operations. The choppers will likewise be able to conduct rescue operations even during stormy weather when there is flooding in Metro Manila or anywhere else in the country.

Gullas described the present condition of the PCG as “pathetic," with only two leftover, twin-engine Bolkow helicopters assembled in 1976 at its disposal.

“We were told the 34-year-old choppers have to fly in tandem all the time, just in case one of the pair suddenly conks out mid-air," he said.

Gullas stressed the need for a better-equipped PCG, noting the fact that the country is an archipelago. “We are one of the five biggest archipelagos in the world, along with Indonesia, Japan, New Zealand and the United Kingdom. Yet, we also have one of the smallest and most poorly equipped Coast Guards," he said.

The Philippines holds the worst maritime accident in the world in recent history with the sinking of the MV Doña Paz 1987 that claimed over 4,000 lives according to reports.

The ship, owned by Sulpicio Lines, was plying the Tablas Strait from Leyte to Manila in December 1987 when it collided with the oil tanker MT Vector. It has been dubbed as Asia’s Titanic in reference to another passenger vessel which figured in an accident resulting in the deaths of over 1,500 people.

Last year, two sea vessels sank in Philippine seas. The motor banca Catalyn B collided with a fishing boat off Cavite province on Christmas Eve last year, killing 25 passengers.

Three days later, on December 27, the roll-on, roll-off (RORO) vessel M/V Baleno 9, meanwhile, sank off Verde Island in Batangas province. At least six people were confirmed dead, while 44 were reported missing.

The tragedies were blamed in part of on the lack of search and rescue crafts to help secure the survivors. - Jerrie M. Abella/KBK, GMANews.TV

Salamat P-Noy!

No more second hand helicopters!:cheers::cheers:

RP Coast Guard to get P1.6B for 2 new choppers
09/19/2010 | 05:52 PM
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/201398/rp-coast-guard-to-get-p16b-for-2-new-choppers

Hoping to boost the country’s capacity to respond to sea tragedies, the Aquino government has allotted P1.6 billion for the Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) to acquire two new choppers equipped for search and rescue operations and other functions.

Under its Maritime Disaster Response Helicopter Acquisition Project, the PCG is set to acquire two all-weather, twin engine utility helicopters capable of performing vital functions, especially search and rescue operations in cases of sea mishaps.

The entire project aims to procure as many as seven helicopters but the earmarked amount is enough only for two.

The allocation is included in the 2011 General Appropriations Act by Malacañang, which is currently being deliberated in Congress. Lawmakers hope to enact the proposed budget before the year ends.

“This is long overdue, and we give credit to [President Benigno Aquino III] for finally deciding to support the project, at least initially," said Cebu Rep. Eduardo Gullas in a statement on Sunday.

He said the government should not wait for another tragedy — such as the August 23 Manila hostage-taking incident that left eight Hong Kong tourists dead and was blamed on ill-equipped and poorly trained police operatives — before building up the PCG’s capacity to save lives at sea.

According to the PCG, the two helicopters will have “interoperability" with the agency’s boats, which will allow for faster hoisting of more people to safety during rescue operations. The choppers will likewise be able to conduct rescue operations even during stormy weather when there is flooding in Metro Manila or anywhere else in the country.

Gullas described the present condition of the PCG as “pathetic," with only two leftover, twin-engine Bolkow helicopters assembled in 1976 at its disposal.:ohno:

“We were told the 34-year-old choppers have to fly in tandem all the time, just in case one of the pair suddenly conks out mid-air," he said.

Gullas stressed the need for a better-equipped PCG, noting the fact that the country is an archipelago. “We are one of the five biggest archipelagos in the world, along with Indonesia, Japan, New Zealand and the United Kingdom. Yet, we also have one of the smallest and most poorly equipped Coast Guards," he said.


- Jerrie M. Abella/KBK, GMANews.TV

US, Asean form united front on South China Sea dispute

by Teresa Cerojano
Manila Standard
Sept 20, 2010

PRESIDENT Barack Obama and Southeast Asian leaders will call for the peaceful settlement of South China Sea territorial disputes and urge claimants not to resort to force, according to a draft communique.

Washington increased the ante in July, when US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told a regional security forum in Vietnam that the peaceful resolution of the disputes over the Spratly and Paracel groups of islands was an American national interest.

The United States was concerned the conflicts could hamper access to one of the world’s busiest commercial sea lanes.

Beijing angrily reacted by saying Washington was interfering in an Asian regional issue.

Obama will meet leaders from the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations on Friday to discuss ways to bolster their alliance and discuss economic cooperation and security issues, including the South China Sea disputes.

Obama and the Asean leaders will issue a joint statement where Washington has proposed text to reaffirm the importance of freedom of navigation, regional stability, respect for international law and unimpeded commerce in the South China Sea, according to a draft of the statement seen Sunday by The Associated Press.

The statement will oppose the “use or threat of force by any claimant attempting to enforce disputed claims in the South China Sea.”

All the leaders will reaffirm their backing of a 2002 Asean-China declaration on the conduct of parties in the South China Sea, which calls on claimants not to take steps that could foment violence and spark new tension. They will encourage claimants to agree on a stronger code of conduct.

China claims all of the South China Sea, where Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia, Brunei, and the Philippines have also laid territorial claims. Aside from rich fishing areas, the region is believed to have huge oil and natural gas deposits. The contested islands straddle busy sea lanes that are a crucial conduit for oil and other resources fueling China’s fast-expanding economy.

In a recent preparatory meeting in Washington ahead of the summit, Assistant State Secretary Kurt Campbell and National Security Council senior director for Asia Jeffrey Bader told Asean ambassadors that Clinton’s statement in Hanoi was already earning dividends, with China “clearly moved back to a more collaborative approach,” according to confidential report obtained by The AP.

The US officials were quoted in the report as saying that in a recent meeting in China, both sides discussed how claimants were expected to behave in the disputed region. They assured Chinese officials that Clinton’s remarks in Hanoi did not seek to single out China but was addressed to all claimant countries.

Clinton’s statement in July came after Beijing told visiting Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg in March the South China Sea was now considered one of China’s “core interests,” alongside Taiwan and Tibet. AP

gagamitin na naman tayong pamain ng mga kano sa laban nya sa china.....at magpapagamit naman tayo.....well oo nga pala......sabi...thank you america for the 3 wonderful years of our lives.......a haven for the oppressed....etc...etc... nasa puso nga pala nila ang amerika....:lol:

We really have to push through the Modernization of our military,... talong talo na talaga tayo sa mga neighboring countries natin eh,... economically and in military... Philippines was once a great nation... and now, why do we have to fall in this fate,... :cry: will we ever rise again?? :(

we should get out of the "dole out" mentality. tama na yung puro ukay-ukay, second-hand at refurbished ang tinatanggap natin.

^^ My friend, Actually may point ka,... coz if we buy old stuffs,... sabi pa ni Binay "were just buying a flying coffins" which is true naman,... ok lang 2nd hand basta di naman yung luma na masyado,... and for the Philippines,... we really have to unite and do our task for our Motherland... for the better future,... it really makes me feel bad hearing some insults from my foreign friends about filipinos,... and di nila inisip na nasa teritoryo sila natin,... parang ganun nalang ba tayo kababaw?? :ohno:

RP faces new tensions with China over Spratly
By Yahoo! Southeast Asia Editors – September 21st, 2010

By Tessa Jamandre
VERA Files

Even before the diplomatic tension created by the Aug. 23 hostage crisis has subsided, President Benigno Aquino III will have to deal with another strain on the country’s relationship with China: the dormant yet sensitive issue of the contested Spratly Islands.

The Spratlys dispute will be high on the agenda when Aquino meets his counterparts in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations and U.S. President Barack Obama on Friday in New York.

The ASEAN-U.S. Leaders Meeting is expected to tackle the territorial dispute in the context of maritime security under the broad agenda “Maintenance of Regional Stability.”

The meeting comes after the Armed Forces of the Philippines announced on Tuesday it was pushing through with the plan to develop Pag-asa Island, which is part of the Spratlys group, into a tourist spot.

AFP Spokesman Brig. Gen. Jose Mabanta said major repairs are underway for the airstrip and the pier on the main island of Pag-Asa that needed “a lot of renovation due to poor maintenance, longstanding neglect and deterioration.”

Last Thursday the Department of Foreign Affairs received a call from China’s Ambassador to the Philippines, Liu Jianchao, who said the plan was not a welcome pronouncement at a time when the two countries were still ironing out the issue of the Aug. 23 hostage incident that killed eight Hong Kong tourists.

The ambassador also asked about the final report of the government probe on the incident which was still not ready then. The report was presented to the President only last Friday.

But in an interview with defense reporters last month, Navy Flag Officer in Command Rear Admiral Danilo Cortez said repairs on the eroded part of the Pag-asa airstrip was ongoing. As a result, supply missions to the Philippine-claimed Kalayaan Island Group had to be done monthly now, compared to the previous quarterly.

Cortez also confirmed that an incident at the Ayungin shoal became the subject of a Chinese protest in July. Soldiers stationed there were accused of firing a warning shot at a Chinese vessel. A Philippine Navy ship is beached at Ayungin shoal and serves as housing facility for AFP troops manning the area.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry in Beijing summoned the Philippine Embassy in Beijing over the incident, but Cortez clarified that Philippine troops stationed there never fired a warning shot.

“Based on our inquiry, there was no shooting that happened. Actually we just flashed a light at them. To actually fire—that needed clearance from the top because that’s an act provoking the other country. We had that investigated and there was none really,” Cortez said.

Before the July incident, the DFA also received a diplomatic protest from the Chinese Ambassador on alleged construction activities on the same shoal, which the Philippines denied.

The Philippines occupies nine of the islands in the disputed Spratlys chain or Nansha islands in the South China Sea (SCS). Five countries lay overlapping claims to the Spratlys which are believed to be oil-rich. The Philippines along with fellow ASEAN members Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei contest ownership with China and also with Taiwan.

During the ASEAN-U.S. Leaders Meeting in New York on September 24, other items on the agenda also include “Regional Architecture and Plans for the Future” that will cover US eventual participation in the East Asia Summit (EAS).

There is also an item in the agenda called “Economic Cooperation” where the U.S. will talk about the Trans-Pacific Partnership and other areas of ASEAN-US economic cooperation.

In the draft joint statement of the 2nd ASEAN-U.S. Leaders Meeting prepared by the U.S., the leaders are expected to “oppose the use or threat of force by any claimant attempting to enforce disputed claims in the SCS.”

ASEAN prefers to limited the text to “reaffirming the importance of freedom of navigation, regional peace and stability, unimpeded commerce in respect for relevant universally agreed principles of international law and the peaceful settlement of dispute in the SCS.”

Both the U.S. and ASEAN however agreed on the text that supported a full implementation of the 2002 Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the SCS and encouraged the eventual conclusion of a regional code of conduct in the SCS.

Among those agreed upon by ASEAN and China in the declaration is to “undertake to exercise self-restraint in the conduct of activities that would complicate or escalate disputes and affect peace and stability including, among others, refraining from action of inhabiting on the presently uninhabited islands, reefs, shoals, cays, and other features and to handle their differences in a constructive manner.”

In a meeting in Washington preparatory to the 2nd ASEAN-US summit, U.S. State Department Assistant Secretary Kurt Campbell and National Security Council Senior Director for Asia Jeffrey Bader briefed ASEAN ambassadors about their discussions with the Chinese government during a recent visit to Beijing.

The State Department officials said the meeting “provided clarity on expectations and behavior of all states in SCS and that they explained to China that the US statement on SCS do not seek to single out China but was a message to all states.”

In a DFA report about the highlights of that meeting, the exchange of views on regional issues showed that “the US wants to strike the exquisite balance” on issues involving maritime security to ensure that they do not create new venue for US-China tensions.

However, they will remain supportive of regional efforts without having to create new mechanisms to discuss the issue.”

^^ My friend, Actually may point ka,... coz if we buy old stuffs,... sabi pa ni Binay "were just buying a flying coffins" which is true naman,... ok lang 2nd hand basta di naman yung luma na masyado,... and for the Philippines,... we really have to unite and do our task for our Motherland... for the better future,... it really makes me feel bad hearing some insults from my foreign friends about filipinos,... and di nila inisip na nasa teritoryo sila natin,... parang ganun nalang ba tayo kababaw?? :ohno:

asking Thailand to donate their old OV10s do not do good to our stature; asking for scraps from the US in return for pieces of our sovereignty not only puts us in a disadvantage, it is also endangering our pilots and other personnel

asking Thailand to donate their old OV10s do not do good to our stature; asking for scraps from the US in return for pieces of our sovereignty not only puts us in a disadvantage, it is also endangering our pilots and other personnel

^^ Yes, your right,... sa Thailand pa?? ngek hehehe OV10's lang... even Vietnem na mas maliit pa yung income kesa satin,... mas maganda yung military power kesa satin,... but YES, we have to prioritize our economic problems 1st... but then, in terms of military.... we can just buy initial orders... and we multiply them as we go on... We dont need yet to build a strong military, but at least the one that could defend our Motherland...

we should get out of the "dole out" mentality. tama na yung puro ukay-ukay, second-hand at refurbished ang tinatanggap natin.

Definitely agree here.:cheers::)

Salamat kay President Noynoy for this:

At hindi na tayo magmukhang kawawa sa mga ukay ukay armaments.

Coast Guard to purchase new rescue helicopters

By Evelyn Macairan
(The Philippine Star)
Updated September 22, 2010 12:00 AM Comments (2) View comments

MANILA, Philippines – The Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) hopes to purchase brand new rescue helicopters within the next 14 months once its proposed P1.6-billion budget for year 2011 is approved.

PCG Wing commander Commodore Aaron Reconquista said the amount could be used to purchase at least two of the seven previously proposed brand new Eurocopter EC-145 utility rescue choppers.

This new generation of jet engine rescue choppers would be useful in marine search and rescue operations because it can fly in almost all types of weather. It can also fly as high as 18,000 feet and can carry a total of nine passengers.

“The reason why we chose this type of rescue chopper, aside from the fact that it can carry more load than our present rescue choppers (Bolkow MBB Bo-105), is its fitness to land on the helipad of our 56-meter search and rescue vessels such as the BRP-San Juan, BRP-Edsa Dos, BRP-Pampanga and BRP-Batangas,” Reconquista said.

The PCG’s air assets consist of only two Bolkow MBB Bo-105s that were donated by the Philippine Aerospace Development Corp. in 1999.

The aircraft are housed inside the Department of Transportation and Communications hangar in Pasay City.

But even if the helicopters have been with the agency for 11 years, they have proven to be valuable to the organization and come in handy in the conduct of search and rescue operations.

Commodore Reconquista is hoping that the purchase of the seven EC-145 choppers would be completed in the next five years.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Eurocopter_EC_145_%28D-HWVS%29_of_ADAC_at_G%C3%B3raszka_Air_Picnic_2005.jpg/800px-Eurocopter_EC_145_%28D-HWVS%29_of_ADAC_at_G%C3%B3raszka_Air_Picnic_2005.jpg
Eurocopter EC-145 utility rescue choppers.

^^ That was a nice one.

On that China issue? I feel they are already stepping out of bounce . It seems that they are trying to intimidate the Philippines the way they try to intimidate taiwan. I dont think they already have a legitimate claim on some of the Spratley Islands. They've set up their own bases in some of the islands why can't they respect the ones occupied by the Philippines or other countries who has claims for it as well.

^
Good news indeed

With that budget maybe they can procure 3-4 Eurocopter.

Eurocopter EC-145 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_EC_145)

The French Sécurité Civile (Civil Guard), French Gendarmerie and the Landespolizei (State Police) of Hesse, Germany became the first operators of the EC 145 when they received initial deliveries of the helicopter in April 2002. Two of the Sécurité Civile helicopters have crashed since delivery, with one being lost during a mountain rescue operation on Mount Arbizon in the French Pyrenees on 20 July 2003 and the other crashing during a police rescue exercise near Garvarnie in the Pyrenees on 5 June 2006 with the loss of three lives.

http://www.scale-rotors.com/files/gallery/1/eurocopter-ec-145-revell-01.JPG

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Good news indeed

With that budget maybe they can procure 3-4 Eurocopter.

It was stated that only 2 will be acquired for the meanwhile.

Whether they ground all the Hueys temporarily or permanently, they should push through with the modernization because the Philippine forces badly need it.

That is why they are buying 10 more refurbished Huey helicopters!

Obviously, the Philippine military does not have the capability to keep these old Hueys flying safe at all times that the incidents of crashes is starting to be more and more close to one another possibly because of the fact its parts are harder to find and more expensive.

They do have the capability to maintain these helicopters and two of the very reasons why they continue to operate the Huey: they have the available spare parts and training cost is cheap.

Unlike the refurbished Hueys there are buying that is overhauled and that it's parts would still be available for the time being.

It is the same Huey right? Therefore they use the same parts as the other Huey helicopters that the PAF has.

we should get out of the "dole out" mentality. tama na yung puro ukay-ukay, second-hand at refurbished ang tinatanggap natin.

Can you not modernize a military with 2nd hand/refurbished but modern and state-of-the art armaments?

Military captures big NPA camp in Samar (http://www.manilatimes.net/index.php/news/regions/26515-military-captures-big-npa-camp-in-samar)

Wednesday, 22 September 2010 00:00

By William B. Depasupil Reporter

THE Armed Forces of the Philippines has captured one of the big camps of the communist New People’s Army (NPA) in the hinterlands of Samar province, a senior military officer disclosed Tuesday.

Lt. Col. Noel Vestuir, commanding officer of the Philippine Army’s 8th Infantry Division, said the operating military troops were able to seize the camp after an encounter with members of the NPA in the mountainous area of San Jose de Buan town on September 18.

The insurgents, Vestuir said, were forced to abandon their camp after suffering heavy casualties. The rebel casualties were reportedly taken by their comrades while withdrawing during the firefight.

The NPA camp has 43 bunkers with two classrooms that can accommodate a large number of people. Also recovered were two generator sets, a water pump and tank, dream cable set, two handheld radios, three hand grenades, universal serial bus or USBs for computers, one sack of rice, a cache of assorted caliber ammunitions and subversive documents that contain important information.

Maj. Gen. Mario Chan, commander of the 8th Infantry (Storm-troopers) Division, lauded his troops for a job well done and gave his assurance that the 8th Infantry Division shall continue to perform its mandate of protecting the people.

Eurocopter EC-145 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_EC_145)



That is why they are buying 10 more refurbished Huey helicopters!



They do have the capability to maintain these helicopters and two of the very reasons why they continue to operate the Huey: they have the available spare parts and training cost is cheap.



It is the same Huey right? Therefore they use the same parts as the other Huey helicopters that the PAF has.


Yeah, I am sure there are available parts for the Hueys, but, I think they are all salvaged parts. It's the same principle for used cars where after certain models, the manufacturer do not manufacture it's parts the way they mass produce parts for the newer models. So, where would some of these come? Certainly, it would be from salvage parts. And I am not saying these parts are in bed condition either, i was just stating that the chances of using brand new parts is very slim and when these happen and there is no available parts right offhand, they would have to resort tor generics. Which again, would not be bad either as long as it work.

I guess what i actually mean about the Philippine military's capabilities on maintaining HUEYS lies more beyond just maintaining, i did not really made myself clear on that one. I am sure they can maintain these equipments, what I think they can't do is to really overhaul their old hueys to refurbish it themselves, otherwise, why do we have to order the same old huey aircrafts if we can do it ourselves?? Although, I am guessing(i have no real basis for it) that these refurbished Hueys they are purchasing might be built in later years since the first year Hueys are first introduced to the market. So somehow it is still a bit newer than the old donated Hueys we inherited from the US. I am not sure if that didn't really make much sense, but, i just thought i would share that opinion still.

BTW, just a reminder, I am not opposing to the huey plans by the Philippine Military. All I am saying is that, all these plans for modernization using brand new and refurbished helicopters together with other plans should really come into fruitation inspite the fact that Theodoro voiced out it's concern about a possible anomally on the figures presented recently comparing to what was first noted at the proposal stage.

I dont think Vietnam-vintage Hueys and OV10's are state of the art armaments

I dont think Vietnam-vintage Hueys and OV10's are state of the art armaments

There are new, upgraded versions of the Huey (like the Y-version) and OV10 (like the D-version) that were developed to meet modern standards. They were introduced from 2001 onwards and are currently being used by the US Marines Corps.

are we using the Y-version? as far as I know, only the USMC is using the Y-variant, and they are manufactured new, not refurbished from Vietnam War-era Hueys

USMC likewise phased out all OV-10s in 1995

although Boeing might manufacture a new variant OV-10X, so if the USMC can get those in the next 5 years, we'll have them in about 2030.

http://www.radioaustralianews.net.au/stories/201009/3019251.htm?=

China warns Philippines over Spratly Islands military base
A C-130 plane lands at the Philippine military base on Pag-Asa Island. [AFP]
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A C-130 plane lands at the Philippine military base on Pag-Asa Island. [AFP]

Shirley Escalante

Last Updated: 2 hours 30 minutes ago

China is opposing plans by the Philippines to restore an outpost on the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea.

Chinese Ambassador to Manila Liu Jianchao has informed Philippine foreign affairs officials that plans to repair its facilities in the Spratly Islands are not a welcome pronouncement while the two countries iron out issues related to the Manila hostage siege.

The ambassador says China has just received the Philippine report on investigations on the bungled police rescue of the hostage siege.

Despite this, the Philippine military says it will push through with plans on its facilities on Kalayaan islands in the Spratlys.

Navy spokesman Edgard Arevalo says the repair and maintenance of the outpost and airport runway is necessary for the delivery of supplies of troops stationed on the island.

Maritime security in the Spratleys is high on the agenda of US-ASEAN talks in the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

The Spratly Islands are being contested by the Philippines, China, Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam.

^^China is becoming the big bully these days.

I dont think Vietnam-vintage Hueys and OV10's are state of the art armaments

There are new, upgraded versions of the Huey (like the Y-version) and OV10 (like the D-version) that were developed to meet modern standards. They were introduced from 2001 onwards and are currently being used by the US Marines Corps.

are we using the Y-version? as far as I know, only the USMC is using the Y-variant, and they are manufactured new, not refurbished from Vietnam War-era Hueys
:):):):):)

Vietnam war era Hueys and OV-10s are indeed NOT state of the art equipments.

Yes to brand new equipments!

Thank you President Noynoy.

http://www.radioaustralianews.net.au/stories/201009/3019251.htm?=

China warns Philippines over Spratly Islands military base
A C-130 plane lands at the Philippine military base on Pag-Asa Island. [AFP]
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A C-130 plane lands at the Philippine military base on Pag-Asa Island. [AFP]

Shirley Escalante

Last Updated: 2 hours 30 minutes ago

China is opposing plans by the Philippines to restore an outpost on the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea.

Chinese Ambassador to Manila Liu Jianchao has informed Philippine foreign affairs officials that plans to repair its facilities in the Spratly Islands are not a welcome pronouncement while the two countries iron out issues related to the Manila hostage siege.

The ambassador says China has just received the Philippine report on investigations on the bungled police rescue of the hostage siege.

Despite this, the Philippine military says it will push through with plans on its facilities on Kalayaan islands in the Spratlys.

Navy spokesman Edgard Arevalo says the repair and maintenance of the outpost and airport runway is necessary for the delivery of supplies of troops stationed on the island.

Maritime security in the Spratleys is high on the agenda of US-ASEAN talks in the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

The Spratly Islands are being contested by the Philippines, China, Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam.

Its high time for the Philippine to have an honest to goodness modernization of its defense capability. PNOY our president do it in your term

http://www.radioaustralianews.net.au/stories/201009/3019251.htm?=

China warns Philippines over Spratly Islands military base
A C-130 plane lands at the Philippine military base on Pag-Asa Island. [AFP]
PHOTO

A C-130 plane lands at the Philippine military base on Pag-Asa Island. [AFP]

Shirley Escalante

Last Updated: 2 hours 30 minutes ago

China is opposing plans by the Philippines to restore an outpost on the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea.

Chinese Ambassador to Manila Liu Jianchao has informed Philippine foreign affairs officials that plans to repair its facilities in the Spratly Islands are not a welcome pronouncement while the two countries iron out issues related to the Manila hostage siege.

The ambassador says China has just received the Philippine report on investigations on the bungled police rescue of the hostage siege.

Despite this, the Philippine military says it will push through with plans on its facilities on Kalayaan islands in the Spratlys.

Navy spokesman Edgard Arevalo says the repair and maintenance of the outpost and airport runway is necessary for the delivery of supplies of troops stationed on the island.

Maritime security in the Spratleys is high on the agenda of US-ASEAN talks in the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

The Spratly Islands are being contested by the Philippines, China, Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam.

^^ seems like we really have to speed up our Military modernization,... our Military is so useless,... we even lack man-power in the Military as well as the equipments... when are we gonna learn,... :ohno::ohno:

Its high time for the Philippine to have an honest to goodness modernization of its defense capability. PNOY our president do it in your term

Agree.

DND invites media, CBCP, MBC to observe biddings

Written by Zaff Solmerin / Correspondent
Wednesday, 22 September 2010 12:19

THE Department of National Defense (DND) will start a new wave of bidding of multibillion-peso projects and, this time, will allow the media and other civilian entities to sit as observers in the proceedings.

DND spokesman Eduardo Batac announced that the department would invite at least three persons, particularly from the Defense Press Corps (DPC), to observe the biddings the department will undertake for “transparency.”

“In compliance with Republic Act 9184, otherwise known as the Government Procurement Reform Act of 2003, and the full implementation of transparency in government transactions, the public is entitled to be properly informed and be made aware of the procurement process and procedures and how these are conducted,” the DND media guidelines in covering biddings said.

Aside from the media, observers from the Makati Business Club (MBC) and Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) will also be invited.

Batac said the media and other civilian entities are expected to attend their first bidding on September 27.  

The inclusion of the media and civilian entities is the department’s response to allegations of corruption at the level of the bids and awards committee.

One, for example, is the controversial biddings of the P2.8-billion-worth eight combat utility helicopters and the P3.2-billion-worth seven night-capable attack helicopters cornered only by lone bidder PZL Swidnik of Poland.

In the second wave of biddings, the department is expected to bid the procurement of a C-130 “Hercules” transport plane for the Air Force and multirole vessels for the Navy.

In the guidelines, the department strictly set that only DPC-accredited members approved by the president and officers of the organization are allowed to attend, observe, witness and report the conduct or process of bidding and awarding contracts.

“The DPC will implement its own internal process to select on a rotating basis from among its members the representative per medium for every DND-BAC meeting…The DPC will transmit to the DND-[OPA Office of the Public Affairs] the names of its chosen representatives, at least 24 hours before the scheduled DND-BAC conference process,” the guidelines provide.

For foreign media entities that would want to sit as observers, Batac said they should coordinate with the DPC.

“Foreign news organizations that are non-DPC members and wanting to cover the DND-BAC processes should coordinate with DPC. Accommodation of foreign news organizations will be determined by the DPC,” the guidelines said.

Batac also stressed that there will be no taking of photographs and video or live reporting inside the venue of the proceedings, as such can only be allowed before and after the proceedings in coordination with the BAC chairman.

“There is a designated area for media observers. Interviews or asking of questions will not be allowed during the session while inside the conference room. The DND spokesman or the DND-BAC chairman may grant a brief press interview after the entire proceedings outside of the conference area. Copies of documents, technical specifications that were opened and already made public will be made available to members of media upon a formal request, subject to DND-BAC chairman’s approval,” he said.


http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/nation/1611-dnd-invites-media-cbcp-mbc-to-observe-biddings

not sure if I posted these already, took these pics during the Clark Hot Air Balloon Fest in the last 2 years

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2301/3529256656_725d221cb1_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wetboxers/3529256656/)
P2140443a (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wetboxers/3529256656/) by wetboxers (http://www.flickr.com/people/wetboxers/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2333/3528444869_4c9f01e68c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wetboxers/3528444869/)
P2140479a (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wetboxers/3528444869/) by wetboxers (http://www.flickr.com/people/wetboxers/), on Flickr

Sidewinder missile
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2109/3529256370_9e23b37d14_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wetboxers/3529256370/)
P2140461a (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wetboxers/3529256370/) by wetboxers (http://www.flickr.com/people/wetboxers/), on Flickr

Dornier Alpha Jet (privately owned)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3343/3529255988_a949b9ce9c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wetboxers/3529255988/)
P2140414a (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wetboxers/3529255988/) by wetboxers (http://www.flickr.com/people/wetboxers/), on Flickr

S211
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4052/4364928218_ba19f0f8a3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wetboxers/4364928218/)
PAF S211 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wetboxers/4364928218/) by wetboxers (http://www.flickr.com/people/wetboxers/), on Flickr

from Flickr:

BRP Artemio Ricarte (PS-37) doing the personnel transfer

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3191/2721758267_54656e45a1_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/9371397@N07/2721758267/)
BRP Artemio Ricarte PS-37 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/9371397@N07/2721758267/) by Dave Gabuelo (http://www.flickr.com/people/9371397@N07/), on Flickr

MG520

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2235/2094938026_93ffc85987_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sammyskins/2094938026/)
Philippine Air Force (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sammyskins/2094938026/) by forstonsr (http://www.flickr.com/people/sammyskins/), on Flickr

some more pics I took from Clark:


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3527/3279461198_930b5baec3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wetboxers/3279461198/)
P2140472a (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wetboxers/3279461198/) by wetboxers (http://www.flickr.com/people/wetboxers/), on Flickr



http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3390/3279460642_29dbfd9f78_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wetboxers/3279460642/)
P2140468a (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wetboxers/3279460642/) by wetboxers (http://www.flickr.com/people/wetboxers/), on Flickr

magkano kaya yung Oliver Hazard Perry-class na guided-missile frigate? kahit isa lang para gawing flagship ng PN :lol:

kelangan din kasi natin ng malaking surface combatant na may laban kahit fighter or submarine pa ang katunggali.. we just can't be a patrol boat navy :lol:

magkano kaya yung Oliver Hazard Perry-class na guided-missile frigate? kahit isa lang para gawing flagship ng PN :lol:

kelangan din kasi natin ng malaking surface combatant na may laban kahit fighter or submarine pa ang katunggali.. we just can't be a patrol boat navy :lol:

On August 5, 2010 Taipei's Apple Daily newspaper reported that the U.S. government will sell Taiwan, for US$40 million, two additional Perry-class frigates that are about to be retired from the U.S. Navy.

That is P900 million pesos per USS Oliver Hazard Perry-class guided-missile frigate and that is the unit cost alone excluding the cost to operate, maintain, and resupply this warship.

are we using the Y-version? as far as I know, only the USMC is using the Y-variant, and they are manufactured new, not refurbished from Vietnam War-era Hueys

Yes all Y-version Hueys are manufactured new not refurbished for the USMC. The Philippine Air Force has the N-version which was succeeded by the Y-version.

USMC likewise phased out all OV-10s in 1995

although Boeing might manufacture a new variant OV-10X, so if the USMC can get those in the next 5 years, we'll have them in about 2030.

Incorrect, it was the USMC that requested for the OV-10D version upgrade which they still use.

:):):):):)

Vietnam war era Hueys and OV-10s are indeed NOT state of the art equipments.

Yes to brand new equipments!

Thank you President Noynoy.

Read again... I mentioned the Huey Y-version and the OV10 D-version! The problem is that your mind is stuck in the Vietnam War. When you say Huey or OV10, it doesn't mean that they all came from that era... there were new upgraded versions that were introduced decades after that war.

Will you immediately replace the 40 old Huey helicopters with only 8 new Sokol helicopters to serve the daily operations of the AFP?

On August 5, 2010 Taipei's Apple Daily newspaper reported that the U.S. government will sell Taiwan, for US$40 million, two additional Perry-class frigates that are about to be retired from the U.S. Navy.

Not bad for a 400+ft. guided-missile platform.. I've read recently in the papers that an American legislator suggested to the US government the sale (or was it a lease?) of at least 2 Perry-class frigates to the PN..

But i'm particularly concerned with their inability to take on additional upgrades and reported premature rusting of the hull's.. They have 30 Perry's left operating and are poised to decommission the class a few years from now to concentrate on their Littoral Combat Ship project..

(come on Hanjin give us a feasible Frigate deal)

Not bad for a 400+ft. guided-missile platform.. I've read recently in the papers that an American legislator suggested to the US government the sale (or was it a lease?) of at least 2 Perry-class frigates to the PN..

But i'm particularly concerned with their inability to take on additional upgrades and reported premature rusting of the hull's.. They have 30 Perry's left operating and are poised to decommission the class a few years from now to concentrate on their Littoral Combat Ship project..

(come on Hanjin give us a feasible Frigate deal)

I think it was a retired US Navy admiral that suggested leasing at least 2 guided missile frigates to the Philippine Navy but that was just his proposal based on his personal opinion which was published in the news... kinda like April Boy suggesting that the US Military Assistance give us brand new modern armaments for free!

I doubt if April Boy will welcome such an offer if it ever gets approved because it will still be 2nd hand yet modern like the USS Cyclone-class (BRP Mariano Alvarez) warship that was donated to the Philippine Navy by the US Navy.

There were numerous upgrades or modifications made to the Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigates by Taiwan, Spain, Australia, and Turkey. As of early 2008, 30 long-hull Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigates remain in active service with the US Navy.

whatever happened to the navy ship that we bought with spain.....any news on that......supposedly yun dalawa dito na gagawin sa pinas.....yung isa sa spain....

speaking of BRP Mariano Alvarez PS-38 (ex. USS Cyclone), the US Navy have decided to recall all remaining ships of its class (Cyclone-class) in service and will decide sooner if they will be refitted or eventually get decommissioned..

it's funny how US patrol vessels have a lifetime of 15 years

Read again... I mentioned the Huey Y-version and the OV10 D-version! The problem is that your mind is stuck in the Vietnam War. When you say Huey or OV10, it doesn't mean that they all came from that era... there were new upgraded versions that were introduced decades after that war.

Will you immediately replace the 40 old Huey helicopters with only 8 new Sokol helicopters to serve the daily operations of the AFP?

And Im talking about the old but refurbished hueys and those donated second hand OV-10 from Thailand.

Do we have the Huey Y-version in our arsenal? if not, obviously Im talking about those old overhauled hueys in our arsenal.


Again, and I have mentioned the hueys that we have. And I never suggested that we immediately replace the hueys the AFP is using. If you care to read my previous post, I said we can start our modernization by slowly buying (even in a piecemeal basis) and replacing our old air assets and armaments with brand new equipments. In fact I said, if we have the funds, we should go for US, UK, European and even Israeli made equipments.


Again, read and understand first my posts before making haphazard conclusions.

I think it was a retired US Navy admiral that suggested leasing at least 2 guided missile frigates to the Philippine Navy but that was just his proposal based on his personal opinion which was published in the news... kinda like April Boy suggesting that the US Military Assistance give us brand new modern armaments for free!

I doubt if April Boy will welcome such an offer if it ever gets approved because it will still be 2nd hand yet modern like the USS Cyclone-class (BRP Mariano Alvarez) warship that was donated to the Philippine Navy by the US Navy.

There were numerous upgrades or modifications made to the Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigates by Taiwan, Spain, Australia, and Turkey. As of early 2008, 30 long-hull Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigates remain in active service with the US Navy.

Seems you love to attack me gmaer. Alright, I will return the favor.


And I really doubt what you say.You keep on inventing scenarios for your own self-gratification. Putting words to my mouth.

If indeed, the US will donate these ships, you ask the AFP to accept it. If you care to read my previous posts, I have mentioned that if given (armaments), then we should accept them(especially for free under the US, Australian, South Korean military assistance program). Of course, donated equipments are mostly old armaments.

So your claim about me in this post is pure blatant lie.

Old news but worth reading

Defense contract review for multi-role vehicle purchase done in 1 month
By Jaime Laude (The Philippine Star) Updated September 16, 2010 12:00 AM Comments (0) View comments

MANILA, Philippines - The review of the P10 billion defense contract for the purchase of two Multi-Role Vessels (MRVs) from South Korea will be completed in a month’s time, a senior South Korean official said yesterday.

South Korean defense attaché to the Philippines Col. Kim Yi Kon said the review of the contract to purchase, entered into by the previous defense leadership, is now underway.

In his remaining weeks as defense chief, then secretary Norberto Gonzales ordered the deferment of the bidding process to favor a government-to-government acquisition for the modernization program of the Armed Forces of the Philippines.

The rush was largely due to Gonzales’ eagerness to strike a huge military deal with friendly states to re-equip the AFP major commands before the P330 billion AFP modernization program expires this year.

Gonzales then noted that out of the staggering defense budget to purchase military hardware only P30 billion were used.

Aside from the two MRVs for the Navy, bankrolled by the 2009 and 2010 AFP modernization program, Gonzales also was able to strike a deal with the Polish government to purchase eight brand-new combat utility helicopters
for P3.2 billion.

But when the administration of President Aquino came in, a review of these multi-billion defense contracts entered into by Gonzales was ordered, in effort to cast aside speculations that these were part of the midnight deals by the Arroyo administration.

“We are not saying that something is wrong with these defense contracts which have not been perfected yet. We are just reviewing these to determine if all are aboveboard,” Defense spokesman Eduardo Batac said in an earlier interview.

Kim said that once the review is completed and approved by the new defense leadership, it would take sometime before these two MRVs can be delivered to the Philippine Navy.

Kim made the statement during a media briefing on the preparations for the 60th anniversary of the outbreak of the Korean War.

The Philippines, as among the countries that fought during the Korean War, was represented by the Philippine Marines to the five-day Wonju Tattoo International Military and Marching Bands Music Festival at Gangwan-Do, South Korea.

Marine spokesman Capt. Alden Gwyn Amargo said the crowd was impressed by the showmanship of the Philippine Marines, compared to the large delegation from their counterparts from Russia, Mexico, Thailand, New Zealand, Taiwan, the US and the South Korean Marines.

He said the Philippine Marine band had earned admiration from their counterparts for their musical and drill performances.

“Of the 11 participating military and marching bands, the Philippine Marine Corps Marine Drum Bugle Team has the least number of performers.


http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=612310&publicationSubCategoryId=65

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dVQroFdPWMQ/SwT2wOrYtkI/AAAAAAAABJg/6CzIxhqB7yc/s1600/Kri_makassar-590.PNG

South Korea should be a considered by the DND as a major defense supplier in the immediate future.. They have a very robust and technology-driven defense industry (small arms, armor, warships, ordnance, etc. name it they have it) that are up to US and NATO standards.. This will lessen our dependence on excess US defense articles which are, most of the time, overpriced and outdated whether brand-new or 2nd-hand

our Tomas Batillo-class of Chamsuri PKM's have proved themselves to be reliable and flexible.. not too mention the Kia KM450's that are exceeding the expectations of the PA, kahit 2nd-hand lang sya

^^ Wag magpa-bully sa China.. ituloy lang yan.. gusto yata ng China sakupin lahat ng isla dyan sa Spratleys.:bash:

Lakas mam bully ng China... Madami siya nakakainitan ngayon ASEAN, JAPAN, S.KOREA, US, at syempre TAIWAN.

Seems that China is now treating the Philippines as its sub-state like Hongkong.:ohno::ohno:


anyway..

Defense eases bidding process

by Florante S. Solmerin
Manila Standard
Sept 23, 2010

THE National Defense department will soon bid out supply contracts worth as much P3.3 billion under a new policy to allow mediamen, civilians and bishops to participate as observers in the proceedings.

Apart from mediamen, members of the Makati Business Club and the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines will be asked to observe the bidding process, according to Eduardo Batac, department spokesman.

In the aftermath of corruption charges surrounding the first wave of bidding, the Defense adopted the policy to ensure transparency in government transactions and make the public aware of the procurement process, Batac said citing the Defense guidelines on bidding and awards.

The policy is supposed to be put to the test on Sept. 27 during the bidding for the refurbishing of a C-130 cargo plane (worth P800 million) and for the purchase of two all-weather helicopters (P2.5 billion), Batac said.

But the prospective bidders asked for a postponement of bidding for reasons the Defense department would not say. Batac declined to name the interested parties.

The first series of bidding involved the purchase of eight combat-utility helicopters (P2.8 billion) and seven night-capable attack helicopters P3.2 billion).

Since only one bidder, PZL Swidnik of Poland, cornered the contracts, the Defense department drew heavy criticisms. The series of bidding was done between 2008 and 2009.

Under the new policy guidelines, the department strictly set that only accredited mediamen approved by the president and officers of the organization are allowed to attend, observe, witness, and report the conduct/process of bidding and awards.

Foreign media entities that will sit as observers should coordinate with the Defense press corps, Batac said.

Batac also stressed that taking of photographs and video or live reporting at the venue of the bidding will be allowed before and after the proceedings, provided the bidding and awards chairman gives his approval.

There is a designated area for media observers. Interviews or asking of questions will not be allowed during the session while inside the conference room.

The Defense spokesman or the BAC chairman may grant a brief press interview after the entire proceedings outside the conference area. Copies of documents and technical specifications that have been opened and already made public will be made available to members of media upon a formal request, Batac said.

Incorrect, it was the USMC that requested for the OV-10D version upgrade which they still use.





are you sure the USMC still uses OV-10?

OV-10 Bronco

The OV-10 Bronco was a multi-purpose, light attack aircraft acquired by the Marine Corp for observation squadrons to conduct visual reconnaissance missions. The OV-10A is a twin-turboprop short takeoff and landing aircraft conceived by the Marine Corps and developed under an Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps tri-service program. The first production OV-10A was ordered in 1966 and its initial flight took place in August 1967. The OV-10 can be used for short take-offs and landings on aircraft carriers without the use of catapults. With the second seat removed, it can carry 3,200 pounds of cargo, five paratroopers or two litter patients and an attendant.

The Bronco's mission capabilities include observation, forward air control, helicopter escort, armed reconnaissance, gunfire spotting, utility and limited ground attack; however, the USAF acquired the Bronco primarily as a forward air control (FAC) aircraft. The Bronco also provides transportation for aerial radiological reconnaissance, tactical air observers, artillery and naval gunfire spotting and airborne controllers of tactical air support operations. Other tasks include armed escort for helicopters and front line, low-level aerial photography.

The first USAF OV-10As destined for combat arrived in Vietnam on July 31, 1968. A total of 157 OV-10As were delivered to the USAF before production ended in April 1969.

Each of the Marine Corps' two observation squadrons had 18 aircraft, 9 OV-10As and 9 OV-10Ds night observation aircraft. There was also a Marine Air Reserve squadron. The OV-10 was phased out of the Marine Corps in 1995.

The OV-10 Night Observation Gunship (NOGS) was a USMC OV-10A modified to include a turreted FLIR sensor and turreted M-197 20-mm gun slaved to the FLIR aimpoint. Successful in combat in Vietnam, NOGS evolved into the NOS OV-10D, which included a laser designator.

Although the United States no longer flies the OV-10, other countries continue to operate the Bronco.

http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/ov-10.htm

not sure if I posted these already, took these pics during the Clark Hot Air Balloon Fest in the last 2 years


kaka-awa naman mga pics mo. parang mga laruan. :lol::lol::lol:

are you sure the USMC still uses OV-10?

OV-10 Bronco

The OV-10 Bronco was a multi-purpose, light attack aircraft acquired by the Marine Corp for observation squadrons to conduct visual reconnaissance missions. The OV-10A is a twin-turboprop short takeoff and landing aircraft conceived by the Marine Corps and developed under an Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps tri-service program. The first production OV-10A was ordered in 1966 and its initial flight took place in August 1967. The OV-10 can be used for short take-offs and landings on aircraft carriers without the use of catapults. With the second seat removed, it can carry 3,200 pounds of cargo, five paratroopers or two litter patients and an attendant.

The Bronco's mission capabilities include observation, forward air control, helicopter escort, armed reconnaissance, gunfire spotting, utility and limited ground attack; however, the USAF acquired the Bronco primarily as a forward air control (FAC) aircraft. The Bronco also provides transportation for aerial radiological reconnaissance, tactical air observers, artillery and naval gunfire spotting and airborne controllers of tactical air support operations. Other tasks include armed escort for helicopters and front line, low-level aerial photography.

The first USAF OV-10As destined for combat arrived in Vietnam on July 31, 1968. A total of 157 OV-10As were delivered to the USAF before production ended in April 1969.

Each of the Marine Corps' two observation squadrons had 18 aircraft, 9 OV-10As and 9 OV-10Ds night observation aircraft. There was also a Marine Air Reserve squadron. The OV-10 was phased out of the Marine Corps in 1995.

The OV-10 Night Observation Gunship (NOGS) was a USMC OV-10A modified to include a turreted FLIR sensor and turreted M-197 20-mm gun slaved to the FLIR aimpoint. Successful in combat in Vietnam, NOGS evolved into the NOS OV-10D, which included a laser designator.

Although the United States no longer flies the OV-10, other countries continue to operate the Bronco.

http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/ov-10.htm

http://****************/thread/Boeing_pitches_OV10X_Bronco_for_USAF_lig_xn3uX24qgqfriyf072.html

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=defense&id=news/OV10092309.xml

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2009/09/photo-boeing-pitches-ov-10x-br.html

speaking of BRP Mariano Alvarez PS-38 (ex. USS Cyclone), the US Navy have decided to recall all remaining ships of its class (Cyclone-class) in service and will decide sooner if they will be refitted or eventually get decommissioned..

it's funny how US patrol vessels have a lifetime of 15 years

As good a design as it is, the USS Cyclone-class had barely gone into service in the mid-1990s when the Special Operations Command rejected them as too big for commando missions, and the regular surface Navy dismissed them as too small for any of its missions. The Navy began looking for ways to phase out the USS Cyclone and her sister ships, so on 28 February 2000, the USS Cyclone was decommissioned and stricken from the Navy list.

She was then transferred to the United States Coast Guard the next day, being re-commissioned as the USCGC Cyclone (WPC 1). The Coast Guard lacked an effective vessel sized between its 110' patrol cutter and the 210' Medium Endurance Cutter, so there was considerable interest in the USS Cyclone at first. However, her high operating costs were prohibitive and thus she sat largely inactive.

And Im talking about the old but refurbished hueys and those donated second hand OV-10 from Thailand.

Do we have the Huey Y-version in our arsenal? if not, obviously Im talking about those old overhauled hueys in our arsenal.


Again, and I have mentioned the hueys that we have. And I never suggested that we immediately replace the hueys the AFP is using. If you care to read my previous post, I said we can start our modernization by slowly buying (even in a piecemeal basis) and replacing our old air assets and armaments with brand new equipments. In fact I said, if we have the funds, we should go for US, UK, European and even Israeli made equipments.


Again, read and understand first my posts before making haphazard conclusions.

And I was talking about the new versions of the Huey and the OV10 because you generalize all OV10s and Hueys as all Vietnam War-era aircraft. Again please read and understand what I am arguing about before you criticize my posts!

Do you also think that the OV10s that came from Thailand were used in the Vietnam War?

Historic and remarkable aircraft of Royal Thai Air Force

OV-10 Bronco - One of the most outstanding ground attack aircraft during the cold war, this plane fought multiple battles against communist forces. 32 examples in service between. 1971 - 2004. Donated to Philippines Air Force in 2004.

Thailand involvement in the Vietnam War

Thai Army formations, including the "Queen's Cobra" battalion, saw action in South Vietnam between 1965 and 1971. Thai forces saw much more action in the covert war in Laos between 1964 and 1972, though Thai regular formations there were heavily outnumbered by the irregular "volunteers" of the CIA-sponsored Police Aerial Reconnaissance Units or PARU, who carried out reconnaissance activities on the western side of the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

Seems you love to attack me gmaer. Alright, I will return the favor.


And I really doubt what you say.You keep on inventing scenarios for your own self-gratification. Putting words to my mouth.

If indeed, the US will donate these ships, you ask the AFP to accept it. If you care to read my previous posts, I have mentioned that if given (armaments), then we should accept them(especially for free under the US, Australian, South Korean military assistance program). Of course, donated equipments are mostly old armaments.

So your claim about me in this post is pure blatant lie.

I will spend time to back read and look for your old posts so I can quote you and prove my claim.

One moment please.

And I was talking about the new versions of the Huey and the OV10 because you generalize all OV10s and Hueys as all Vietnam War-era aircraft. Again please read and understand what I am arguing about before you criticize my posts!

Do you also think that the OV10s that came from Thailand were used in the Vietnam War?

I think april boy mentioned the hueys and ov-10s that the AFP have and not all hueys and ov-10s (in other countries). So he did not generalized that all hueys and Ov-10 that might be existing and being used in other countries as Vietnam war era.

Probably, to eliminate misunderstanding, you need to check his post again.:cheers:

phase out na yang huey at ov10 para wala ng misunderstanding.....sokol na copters na lang...:lol:

I think april boy mentioned the hueys and ov-10s that the AFP have and not all hueys and ov-10s (in other countries). So he did not generalized that all hueys and Ov-10 that might be existing and being used in other countries as Vietnam war era.

Probably, to eliminate misunderstanding, you need to check his post again.:cheers:

Just wait... I am reviewing 42 pages of this thread to quote him on that.

phase out na yang huey at ov10 para wala ng misunderstanding.....sokol na copters na lang...:lol:

Can the 8 new Sokols handle the current workload of the 40 old Hueys that the PAF operates on a daily basis?

phase out na yang huey at ov10 para wala ng misunderstanding.....sokol na copters na lang...:lol:

We all know that our cash strapped military plus the antagonistic attitude our politicians doesn't really attract potential bidders that's why Augusta is the only bidder that took part in the procurement process. If we want US military-wares in our inventory they (politicians) needs to augment AFP's budget allotment for procurement, logistics and maintenance.

The reason they chose Sokols than refurbished hueys because of the maintenance and repairs is getting expensive due to scarcity of available parts and upgrade to Huey-II is far fetched due to lack of proper funding. Anyway, AFP purchased 8 Utility and 7 Attack variants of Sokols for evaluation, if it performed good they will purchase additional fleet.

The reason they chose Sokols than refurbished hueys because of the maintenance and repairs is getting expensive due to scarcity of available parts and upgrade to Huey-II is far fetched due to lack of proper funding. Anyway, AFP purchase 8 Utility and 7 Attack variants of Sokols for evaluation, if it performed good they will purchase additional fleet.

The AFP will buy 10 refurbished Huey helicopters alongside the 8 Sokol CUHs. There is no scarcity in spare parts for the Hueys yet because it still remains as the most widely used combat utility helicopter in the world.

You should read and understand my post carefully .

crash- landed.

And its not a hearsay.



There is nothing to read and understand carefully from your post because the most recent Huey helicopter accident did NOT CRASHED NOR CRASH-LANDED. The mere fact that there were no casualties proves that the Huey helicopter was able to land safely which allowed the crew to escape before it exploded.

Now do you know the difference and what the use of incorrect choice of words can lead to?

Here is a sample video of a helicopter that was able to land safely but exploded later:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/692055/helicopter_explosion/

Here is a sample video of a helicopter that crashed then exploded:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf2WwfCXjo4&feature=related

boinks!

Again were the Airboats from Australia brand new?

Taken from Pages 1 to 32 and still looking...

When I was still a lurker, I saw the posts re: affordable light attack aircrafts like the newer version of the S-211 and the versions from Romania and Russia.

That would be enough I think for the meantime.

Until this day he has failed to name that "affordable" light attack aircraft from Russia and Romania.

With a very limited budget, buying multi role attack aircrafts is pure day dreaming:lol::lol:

And I hope we should stop buying second hand planes and antiques from the US.

WE dont have external threats from neighboring countries and we only need to protect ourselves from poachers, pirates, terrorists and insurgents.

As I have mentioned a new version of S-211 will do for the meantime..


What are those antiques from the US?

Ok para hindi dream thread...ayusin na lang ng AFP ang available asset nya.

Yung sa Airforce...alagaan yung soon to be delivered Sokol helicopters.

Alagaan yung brand new SF-260 nila...

Alagaan yung donated na T-41 trainer aircrafts frm South Korea

Alagaan yung refurbished at refitted Hueys

Baka puede pang refurbished ang remaining S-211 at yung yung MD-20 ba yun

I thought you are against those 2nd hand Hueys?

We rather buy cheaper light attack aircrafts than buy second hands.

Huh? :bash:


The AFP should look for cheaper but quality brand new armaments instead of allowing itself as customer of junk dealers of junk US made armaments.


Who are these junk dealers and what are these junk US made armaments?

Unfortunately, we are cash strapped.

And with our prehistoric donated US junks (now PN warships), we need their "aging technology."

Are all PN warships prehistoric donated US junks?

Agree. I rather have brand new Russian ships that those floating junks from the US.

Do you think the BRP Mariano Alvarez is a floating junk from the US?

For me, the the good news is that P-Noy will buy brand new helicopters for the AFP instead of junks (especially from the US and other US allies like Israel).


Just another generalization..


If the US is really concern about the Philippines (with its VFA), they should have given us respectable brand new armaments as payment instead of those junks and 2nd hand from their junkyards in other countries like South Korea (F-5), Thailand ( OV-10 Bronco) and Israel ( pathetic 2nd hand Cobras).

Here is a perfect example to prove my claim!

Have you heard of the VFA? and the attached "payment" to be given to our country in terms of military assistance in return for the US presence in the country?

If you carefully read my post, Im not expecting the US to give us free "brand new spanking automobiles or armaments ."

Im referring to the "aid" to be given to us in return for the VFA that we signed with the US. The issue was already given attention by Mirriam Santiago regarding the "aid or payment" given to us by the US that instead of giving us respectable military hardware, we are given junks from US junkyards.

You may check the speech of Sen Santiago regarding the issue.

This post of yours contradicts your own statement on Quote # 61721233


A mystery that we need to solve. Why do we accept as military aid from the US World War 2 era warship and Vietnam era helicopters and aircrafts?:lol::)


Are you sure that all US military aid helicopters and aircraft in the AFP are Vietnam War-era?

I just posted an article about the "refurbished" hueys given to the AFP by the US last 2007. A very clear proof that we still get Vietnam era hueys from the US.

And we still get second hands from the US.


It appears that each time a news artilce will mention "refurbished" Hueys you will immediately conclude that it is Vietnam War-era!

My comment is that they did not include those incidents when the hueys malfunctioned or clash landed-luckily with soldiers only obtaining minor injuries.

I know this because I have a friend working in Sangley Point, Cavite city and mentioned accidents involving PAF helicopters like the hueys and MG-520 not reported in the news.

A conspiracy theory from an illusionary "Air Force" friend.

See, Im only against second hand military hardware.

A proof that you will not accept 2nd hand military hardware even if they are modern.

The AFP should stop buying (take note buying) second hand. Hopefully, the AFP will request for more brand new armaments from the US under the existing US military assistance program for the Philippines.


Stop buying 2nd hand even if for example they are modern? What did you mean by "requesting" for more brand new armaments from the US?

Requesting is definitely different from buying!

Taken from Pages 1 to 32 and still looking...



Until this day he has failed to name that "affordable" light attack aircraft from Russia and Romania.



What are those antiques from the US?



I thought you are against those 2nd hand Hueys?



Huh? :bash:



Who are these junk dealers and what are these junk US made armaments?



Are all PN warships prehistoric donated US junks?



Do you think the BRP Mariano Alvarez is a floating junk from the US?



Just another generalization..



Here is a perfect example to prove my claim!



This post of yours contradicts your own statement on Quote # 61721233



Are you sure that all US military aid helicopters and aircraft in the AFP are Vietnam War-era?



It appears that each time a news artilce will mention "refurbished" Hueys you will immediately conclude that it is Vietnam War-era!



A conspiracy theory from an illusionary "Air Force" friend.



A proof that you will not accept 2nd hand military hardware even if they are modern.



Stop buying 2nd hand even if for example they are modern? What did you mean by "requesting" for more brand new armaments from the US?

Requesting is definitely different from buying!


yan ang mendicant attitude ng iba nating kababayan......sa pagtitipid mas lalong napapamahal....

Philippines, ASEAN would oppose China on sea claim: Aquino
Reuters
Posted at 09/24/2010 4:16 PM | Updated as of 09/24/2010 4:36 PM


NEW YORK, United States - The Philippines and fellow ASEAN members will oppose any move by China to claim sovereignty over the South China Sea, Philippine President Benigno Aquino said on Thursday.

So far, however, Aquino said there doesn't seem to be "any sense that China is pushing its weight around on the issue," the Philippine chief executive told members of the Council on Foreign Relations in a question and answer forum.

The subject arose earlier this year when China claimed that the South China Sea is part of its "core national interest." The sea is home to valuable fishing grounds and largely unexploited oil and natural gas fields.

Reports said that last month, China's navy planted a flag at the bottom of this vital shipping lane, where Taiwan and several ASEAN members including Vietnam, Malaysia, and the Philippines have also asserted claims.

ASEAN refers to the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

"If China does push its weight around (on the South China Sea dispute), we as ASEAN will stand as a bloc and oppose that," Aquino said. "Hopefully, we won't have to call it the South China Sea because it is not just their sea."

ASEAN has called for multilateral talks to settle South China Sea boundaries but China has rejected the idea, reports said. In July, U.S. Secretary State Hillary Clinton told ASEAN foreign ministers Washington has an interest in keeping the waters open to all.

Overall, however, the Philippines' leader still hopes for a "peaceful solution" to the territorial dispute.

Another maritime dispute, between China and Japan over a group of uninhabited islands both claim in the East China Sea, has raised tensions recently between those countries.

Aquino is in New York for the United Nations General Assembly meeting. He became the 15th president of the Philippines last June 30, after winning the largest mandate since the ratification of the present Philippine constitution.

Reporting by Gertrude Chavez-Dreyfuss; Editing by Jerry Norton

The AFP will buy 10 refurbished Huey helicopters alongside the 8 Sokol CUHs. There is no scarcity in spare parts for the Hueys yet because it still remains as the most widely used combat utility helicopter in the world.

There is nothing to read and understand carefully from your post because the most recent Huey helicopter accident did NOT CRASHED NOR CRASH-LANDED. The mere fact that there were no casualties proves that the Huey helicopter was able to land safely which allowed the crew to escape before it exploded.

Now do you know the difference and what the use of incorrect choice of words can lead to?

Here is a sample video of a helicopter that was able to land safely but exploded later:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/692055/helicopter_explosion/

Here is a sample video of a helicopter that crashed then exploded:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf2WwfCXjo4&feature=related

Again were the Airboats from Australia brand new?

No scarcity? Do you really think the old "refurbished" Hueys that we have and NOT those huey- Y type you keep on insisting still have brand new parts available in the market?

O alam na kinakahoy lang ang spareparts from old hueys also?

That is your problem gmaer, directly quoted mo na ako, nag-provide pa ako ng articles and links and yet still insist on your own interpretation just to attack me.

Isa lang masabi ko sa iyo. Poor comprehension problema mo. Kaya wala na akong magagawa. I will not anymore argue with your idea of the difference between a huey that crashed and crash-landed.

In the first place, the fact is a PAF huey after "landing safely" exploded. Plain and simple, the huey already catch fire in mid-air or malfunctioned thats why they made an emergency landing (crah landed) before the huey exploded.
After the incident all the remaining 40 hueys in the AFP arsenal were grounded

Tsaka biruin mo after it "landed safely" it exploded. Walang pag giyera yan a. Umaapoy na yung helicopter.

The point is these ukay ukay hueys should be replaced by new ones--perhaps by your brand new huey Y-type- in order to achieve a meaningful and true modernization.

Your pathetic idea of having old refurbished hueys as a good way of modernizing the AFP is definitely moronic.

About the airboats, you ask the AFP if those are brand new.Tutal feeling mo ang galing galing mo tungkol sa mga armaments and weapons ng AFP.

^^ Modernization should focus more on something new,... at least brand new products if possible and ok lang kung 2nd hand basta di rin gaano kaluma,... kaya nga Modernization eh from the word "Modern",so new type of weapons, vehicles and equipments are expected which meets the modernistic standards hindi yung halos mga junk na sa ibang bansa.... but anyway theres no point of arguing naman eh kasi wala tong patutunguhan,...
nasa AFP parin lahat ng desisyon so problema na nila yun,... hehe if you really want to suggest something then why dont you just go directly to the office of the Department of national defense,... hahaha i dont even think one of their staff is reading this thread... peace :cheers:

And I was talking about the new versions of the Huey and the OV10 because you generalize all OV10s and Hueys as all Vietnam War-era aircraft. Again please read and understand what I am arguing about before you criticize my posts!

Do you also think that the OV10s that came from Thailand were used in the Vietnam War?

Why should i not criticize your posts, especially when you keep on inventing scenarios just to attack me?

And then you are claiming that Im generalizing all hueys and ov-10 as vietnam war era? Whereas, it is so clear Im talking about hueys used by the AFP.

kaya nga tinanong ko kung yung huey at ov-10 na brand new na sinasabi mo ay mayroon tayo sa AFP. And you never answered me.

Obviously naman kasi walang brand new kundi donation from Thailand yung ov-10 at yung huey ay donasyon o binili sa America na refurbished di ba?

Tama na kasi pag-da-daydream mo. The fact is all hueys and ov-10 that we have are old and second hand. Karag karag na at anytime masira lagi dahil sa katandaan.

Tigilan mo na yan mali mong idea na ang modernization ay bumili ng pinaggamitan ng ibang bansa.

Isa pa stop daydreaming and defending your second hand hueys.

Taken from Pages 1 to 32 and still looking...
Until this day he has failed to name that "affordable" light attack aircraft from Russia and Romania.
What are those antiques from the US?
I thought you are against those 2nd hand Hueys?
Huh? :bash:
Who are these junk dealers and what are these junk US made armaments?
Are all PN warships prehistoric donated US junks?
Do you think the BRP Mariano Alvarez is a floating junk from the US?
Just another generalization..Here is a perfect example to prove my claim!
This post of yours contradicts your own statement on Quote # 61721233
Are you sure that all US military aid helicopters and aircraft in the AFP are Vietnam War-era?It appears that each time a news artilce will mention "refurbished" Hueys you will immediately conclude that it is Vietnam War-era!
A conspiracy theory from an illusionary "Air Force" friend.
A proof that you will not accept 2nd hand military hardware even if they are modern.Stop buying 2nd hand even if for example they are modern? What did you mean by "requesting" for more brand new armaments from the US?
Requesting is definitely different from buying!

Pathetic.

Illusory airforce? Pathetic ka talaga.

Again, stop defending your idea of buying old vietnam war machines as modernization. And stop inventing and twisting scenarios to make you look good,nagmumukha ka lang sinungaling.

http://th01.deviantart.net/fs43/300W/f/2009/135/0/1/011308fe2047dcabfedd30414230f849.jpg



^^ this is what really is happening now,... hai, when will we ever learn... :ohno:

I think april boy mentioned the hueys and ov-10s that the AFP have and not all hueys and ov-10s (in other countries). So he did not generalized that all hueys and Ov-10 that might be existing and being used in other countries as Vietnam war era.

Probably, to eliminate misunderstanding, you need to check his post again.:cheers:

Tama po sir.:)

We all know that our cash strapped military plus the antagonistic attitude our politicians doesn't really attract potential bidders that's why Augusta is the only bidder that took part in the procurement process. If we you want US military-wares in our inventory they (politicians) needs to augment AFP's budget allotment for procurement, logistics and maintenance.

The reason they chose Sokols than refurbished hueys because of the maintenance and repairs is getting expensive due to scarcity of available parts and upgrade to Huey-II is far fetched due to lack of proper funding. Anyway, AFP purchase 8 Utility and 7 Attack variants of Sokols for evaluation, if it performed good they will purchase additional fleet.

Very well said sir.:)

yan ang mendicant attitude ng iba nating kababayan......sa pagtitipid mas lalong napapamahal....

Tama rin po sir.:)

^^ Modernization should focus more on something new,... at least brand new products if possible and ok lang kung 2nd hand basta di rin gaano kaluma,... kaya nga Modernization eh from the word "Modern",so new type of weapons, vehicles and equipments are expected which meets the modernistic standards hindi yung halos mga junk na sa ibang bansa.... but anyway theres no point of arguing naman eh kasi wala tong patutunguhan,...
nasa AFP parin lahat ng desisyon so problema na nila yun,... hehe if you really want to suggest something then why dont you just go directly to the office of the Department of national defense,... hahaha i dont even think one of their staff is reading this thread... peace :cheers:

No need to suggest because I remember I posted an article here that during an PAF event, P-Noy said that he will push for the "modernization" by procuring new equipments for the AFP.

And indeed, the implementation of the Sokol project of Gibo Teodoro, the ongoing bidding for new attack helicopters and the planned acquisition of brand new Eurocopters of the Coast Guard are signs that P-noy wants a real modernization program for the our security forces and the AFP.:cheers::cheers:

^^ yeah,... for now,... we dont need a very strong military,... but soldiers that could defend and maintain peace and order is enough,... a well equipped military is already good... we dont need to be strong like an aggressor yet coz as of now, we dont have any serious enemy except the rebels and terrorists (NPA,MILF,ABU SAYAF and etc...) :cheers: if ever China really attacks,... then thats the time we make our defense strong but for now at least an ability to resist enemies is enough,... :cheers:

^^ this is what really is happening now,... hai, when will we ever learn... :ohno:

Let us fight China with gmaer's second hand hueys and OV-10s. because he keeps on insisting that buying second hand refurbished hueys and ov-10s is a good idea.

Anyway, an old article regarding the call for a modern AFP.

Senate of the Philippines
Press Release
February 25, 2010

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGdWbth5xMBhIABTlXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1ZDVndGt1BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDOARjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA1JDRjAwMV8xODU-/SIG=12hrjl1ah/EXP=1285413229/**http%3a//www.senate.gov.ph/press_release/2010/0225_revilla1.asp
SENATOR BONG REVILLA CALLS FOR PAF MODERNIZATION

SENATOR Ramon Bong Revilla, Jr. today said there is a need to modernize the Philippine Air Force as he expressed condolences to the family of the pilots, who perished on a military plane crash in Tarlac on Wednesday.

"It appears that our Air Force has more casualties from aircraft accidents than in the actual combat operations. I just hope that this will not lower the morale of our soldiers," said Bong Revilla, as he also mentioned the military plane crash in Cotabato City wherein nine people, including a one-star general, died.

Based on the modernization program of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP), the purchase of equipment and other combat materials for internal security is currently being prioritized before the shifting to the external defense which includes new air assets.

But Bong Revilla said that the purchase of new aircrafts to replace the old planes and helicopters of the Air Force fleet should also be given priority at this point since they are also important in internal security operations.

He added that new air assets will not only boost the morale of the Air Force but also of other soldiers who would feel safe and secure on the presence of planes and choppers serving as their air support on ground operations.

"The military's air assets being used in internal security operations do not need to be that modern, what is needed are new ones that would ensure the safety of our military pilots," Bong Revilla added.

He added that new air assets would also serve as a solution to the problem of military pilots being pirated by commercial airline companies.

"Let us do away with that disheartening joke that the Philippine Air Force should be temporarily renamed Philippine Air because it has no actual force. Let us bring back that glory when the Philippines is still a military super power in Southeast Asia ," he concluded.

Basahin mo ito gmaer. Understand it carefully. So that you will be enlightened.

You dont have to be an expert in armaments not to understand that we need to replaced all those aging hands me down helicopters and aircrafts from other countries.


The Correspondents: PAF - more air than force?

By: Cherrie Anne Ongteco, Multimedia Producer, The Correspondents
Posted at 09/07/2010 3:39 PM | Updated as of 09/07/2010 3:39 PM

To this day, Malou Corpuz is still in disbelief at the fate that befell her husband. He was one of the 2 pilots who died in a plane crash while training in Crow Valley, Tarlac this year.

It was 10 days after Valentine’s Day, when Captain Jose Enriquez Leandro Corpuz of the Philippine Air Force (PAF) told her, “Love, I’ll just check on something. I’ll be home soon.” He never came back.

Malou could not believe that his plane crashed because of pilot error.

She shared in an interview with The Correspondents how he would constantly reassure her before, “Di love, di ‘yon mangyayari sa akin kasi magaling na piloto asawa mo (No love,that will never happen because your husband is a veteran pilot.)”

His skill in flying decades-old military aircraft has been tested many times, including an incident which Malou recalled when her husband survived a flight after the engine of his plane broke down in mid-air.:bash:

Capt. Corpuz graduated with Class ‘99 of the Philippine Military Academy ranked second in his batch. A veteran of many combat missions in Mindanao, he earned a Gold Cross Medal, the third highest honor given to a soldier.

Malou said her husband had thought of leaving the PAF to fly commercial planes instead.

But when he learned that his trusted OV-10 was going to be replaced with a new one, he changed his mind. The PAF modernization plan gave pilots like Capt. Corpuz hope that pilots can fly without fear of the planes breaking down in mid-flight.

“Iniisip ko na lang na namatay siya na hero,” she answered when asked on how she copes with her husband’s loss.

Malou hopes that the old aircraft will be replaced with better ones, so that her husband’s death would not be put in vain or other pilots’ life in danger.

Despite this, the PAF has had its share of its “glory days” back then with the group Blue Diamonds.

The Blue Diamonds was the PAF’s precision acrobatic team that symbolized the Filipino pilots’ exemplary flying abilities, flying in tight formation and performing intricate aerial maneuvers.

They flew P-51 Mustang planes which were of the latest technology immediately after the Second World War.

After a few years, the group members left the Blue Diamonds and decided to fly commercial airplanes.

Up to this day, the PAF utilizes planes from its “glory days” like the OV-10 light attack and observation aircraft from the United States that has been in service for five decades. These military planes are used during air strikes in Mindanao.

Another is the 15th Strike Wing’s Defender helicopter MG-520 that Jorge Cariño rode and which is being used for the PAF’s light missions.

The latest acquisition of the PAF was in 1994, SF 260 planes from Italy which are now at Danilo Atienza Air Base and used in training school.

With limited budget AFP should purchase priority assets like all weather transport/attack (Multirole) helicopters and Multi-role vessels (LPDs) in small quantity to address our insurgency problems, terrorism and other internal threats as well. These assets have great flexibility, it can be used for SAR operations in case of calamities, reconnaissance and combat purposes. They (AFP) should procure assets (multi-role and with great flexibility) we need the most (those i've mentioned) rather those unnecessary (air superiority, dedicate/singular role) assets.


P.S. I'm not saying we don't those assets it's just doesn't fit the bill

Basahin mo ito gmaer. Understand it carefully.


The Correspondents: PAF - more air than force?

By: Cherrie Anne Ongteco, Multimedia Producer, The Correspondents
Posted at 09/07/2010 3:39 PM | Updated as of 09/07/2010 3:39 PM

To this day, Malou Corpuz is still in disbelief at the fate that befell her husband. He was one of the 2 pilots who died in a plane crash while training in Crow Valley, Tarlac this year.

It was 10 days after Valentine’s Day, when Captain Jose Enriquez Leandro Corpuz of the Philippine Air Force (PAF) told her, “Love, I’ll just check on something. I’ll be home soon.” He never came back.

Malou could not believe that his plane crashed because of pilot error.

She shared in an interview with The Correspondents how he would constantly reassure her before, “Di love, di ‘yon mangyayari sa akin kasi magaling na piloto asawa mo (No love,that will never happen because your husband is a veteran pilot.)”

His skill in flying decades-old military aircraft has been tested many times, including an incident which Malou recalled when her husband survived a flight after the engine of his plane broke down in mid-air.

Capt. Corpuz graduated with Class ‘99 of the Philippine Military Academy ranked second in his batch. A veteran of many combat missions in Mindanao, he earned a Gold Cross Medal, the third highest honor given to a soldier.

Malou said her husband had thought of leaving the PAF to fly commercial planes instead.

But when he learned that his trusted OV-10 was going to be replaced with a new one, he changed his mind. The PAF modernization plan gave pilots like Capt. Corpuz hope that pilots can fly without fear of the planes breaking down in mid-flight.

“Iniisip ko na lang na namatay siya na hero,” she answered when asked on how she copes with her husband’s loss.

Malou hopes that the old aircraft will be replaced with better ones, so that her husband’s death would not be put in vain or other pilots’ life in danger.

Despite this, the PAF has had its share of its “glory days” back then with the group Blue Diamonds.

The Blue Diamonds was the PAF’s precision acrobatic team that symbolized the Filipino pilots’ exemplary flying abilities, flying in tight formation and performing intricate aerial maneuvers.

They flew P-51 Mustang planes which were of the latest technology immediately after the Second World War.

After a few years, the group members left the Blue Diamonds and decided to fly commercial airplanes.

Up to this day, the PAF utilizes planes from its “glory days” like the OV-10 light attack and observation aircraft from the United States that has been in service for five decades. These military planes are used during air strikes in Mindanao.

Another is the 15th Strike Wing’s Defender helicopter MG-520 that Jorge Cariño rode and which is being used for the PAF’s light missions.

The latest acquisition of the PAF was in 1994, SF 260 planes from Italy which are now at Danilo Atienza Air Base and used in training school.

to Fucking COngressman and Senator.

Both Congressman and Senator need it most because they can't work without $$$$$$ aka Port Barrel.

ano naman kaya masasabi d2 ni Fucking COngressman Lagmam, baka ganito hindi nila kailangan ng modern equipment kasi gumagana pa naman yon mga WWWII planes ng AFP. Puro kayo politics putang ina nyo.

With limited budget AFP should purchase priority assets like all weather transport/attack (Multirole) helicopters and Multi-role vessels (LPDs) in small quantity to address our insurgency problems, terrorism and other internal threats as well. These assets have great flexibility, it can be used for SAR operations in case of calamities, reconnaissance and combat purposes. They (AFP) should procure assets (multi-role and with great flexibility) we need the most (those i've mentioned) rather those unnecessary (air superiority, dedicate/singular role) assets.


P.S. I'm not saying we don't those assets it's just doesn't fit the bill

agree here sir.

they should done this before. too many Pilot already lost their life because of this "fly to die" equipment of our corrupt arm forces.

tama kayo, nasa uli ang pag-sisi. sana kayong mga congressman at senator pag sumakay kayo sa eroplano na sasakyan nyo sana mag crash para maramdaman nyo ang sama ng loob ng namamatayan.

No scarcity? Do you really think the old "refurbished" Hueys that we have and NOT those huey- Y type you keep on insisting still have brand new parts available in the market?


Yes considering that the Huey helicopter is still being used by 74 countries.


O alam na kinakahoy lang ang spareparts from old hueys also?


Cannibalizing aircraft parts is not a bad thing to do. The Iranians uses this method to independently maintain and restore their F14s.


That is your problem gmaer, directly quoted mo na ako, nag-provide pa ako ng articles and links and yet still insist on your own interpretation just to attack me.


Your paranoia makes you think that I'm attacking you when I am just trying to imply reality here.


Isa lang masabi ko sa iyo. Poor comprehension problema mo. Kaya wala na akong magagawa. I will not anymore argue with your idea of the difference between a huey that crashed and crash-landed.

I don't have poor comprehension because it is you're choice of words that are misleading.


In the first place, the fact is a PAF huey after "landing safely" exploded. Plain and simple, the huey already catch fire in mid-air or malfunctioned thats why they made an emergency landing (crah landed) before the huey exploded.


It did not catch fire in mid-air and an emergency landing is NOT a crash landing.


After the incident all the remaining 40 hueys in the AFP arsenal were grounded


They are all back to service.


Tsaka biruin mo after it "landed safely" it exploded. Walang pag giyera yan a. Umaapoy na yung helicopter.

This also happens to other, brand new modern helicopters like the Sokol in Iraq.


The point is these ukay ukay hueys should be replaced by new ones--perhaps by your brand new huey Y-type- in order to achieve a meaningful and true modernization.


How to do you define ukay ukay? The Philippine Air Force was already given the license to upgrade their Hueys to the N-version which is the twin engined design but only 2 were actually built.


Your pathetic idea of having old refurbished hueys as a good way of modernizing the AFP is definitely moronic.

Don't you dare badmouth me again or I will report your post again! It was not my idea, please quote me to prove your claim.


About the airboats, you ask the AFP if those are brand new.Tutal feeling mo ang galing galing mo tungkol sa mga armaments and weapons ng AFP.

I already asked them but they told me to wait for the media to post follow-up stories about it.

they should done this before. too many Pilot already lost their life because of this "fly to die" equipment of our corrupt arm forces.

tama kayo, nasa uli ang pag-sisi. sana kayong mga congressman at senator pag sumakay kayo sa eroplano na sasakyan nyo sana mag crash para maramdaman nyo ang sama ng loob ng namamatayan.

Tayong mga Matitinong Mamamayan ng Pilipinas, Wag tayong MNINIWALA Dyan Kina Tongressman COMRADE LAGMAN at COMRADE CASINO DAHIL MGA FRONT YAN NG NPA (NEW POEPLE'S ARMY) MGA KOMUNISTA YAN SA DAMIT NG LEGAL NA GOBYERNO KAYA DI DAPAT TAYO MANINIWALA SA MGA PINAGSASABI NG MGA YAN LALO NA TUNGKOL SA AFP MODERNIZATION.

Why should i not criticize your posts, especially when you keep on inventing scenarios just to attack me?


I'm not inventing scenarios, I based it by quoting what you posted.


And then you are claiming that Im generalizing all hueys and ov-10 as vietnam war era? Whereas, it is so clear Im talking about hueys used by the AFP.


Yes you are. See my post # 831 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=64210769&postcount=831) which were all quoted from you.


Obviously naman kasi walang brand new kundi donation from Thailand yung ov-10 at yung huey ay donasyon o binili sa America na refurbished di ba?


Not all AFP Huey helicopters were donated nor bought refurbished.


Tama na kasi pag-da-daydream mo. The fact is all hueys and ov-10 that we have are old and second hand. Karag karag na at anytime masira lagi dahil sa katandaan.


I am not day dreaming may be you are!


Tigilan mo na yan mali mong idea na ang modernization ay bumili ng pinaggamitan ng ibang bansa.

So you don't consider the ex-USS Cyclone-class (donated) and ex-HMS Peacock-class (2nd hand) warships as well as the OV10 M-version as modern?


Isa pa stop daydreaming and defending your second hand hueys.

Please quote me as saying that.

Pathetic.

Illusory airforce? Pathetic ka talaga.

Do you really have a friend in the Philippine Air Force? Can he prove your conspiracy theories of unreported military accidents? I guess not because you keep on throwing profanity at me as your defense.


Again, stop defending your idea of buying old vietnam war machines as modernization. And stop inventing and twisting scenarios to make you look good,nagmumukha ka lang sinungaling.

I am not proposing to buy old Vietnam War-era machines for the AFP modernization! It was stated in the news that the AFP will be buying them not me.

April Boy,

If you want peace then please give me a good, realistic reason to support you? The Sokol is a done deal so don't brag it too much but the Gluszec is yet to be verified because the source in Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_W-3_Sok%C3%B3%C5%82) was edited by someone.

Make proposals not criticisms! You badmouth so much about what our AFP currently has but you failed to present examples other than the Sokol helicopter and the Humvee with missiles.

COA: Army has ₧122.8-million unliquidated cash advances

Written by Zaff Solmerin / Correspondent
Saturday, 25 September 2010 09:58

THE Commission on Audit (COA) has advised the Army high command to account for P122,815,001.45 unliquidated cash advances of payroll fund and advances to officers and employees in violation of existing governing laws.

In its 2009 report, the cash advances comprised of P26,103,465.30 of Payroll Fund and P96,711,536.15 cash advances by officers and employees.

“We recommend that management adhere strictly to the rules on the grant, utilization and liquidation of cash advances and impose penal or administrative sanctions to those who continue to neglect their obligation in accordance with the provision of Section 89 of Presidential Decree 1445, COA Circular 97-002 dated Feburary 10, 1997 and Civil Service Commission Resolution 04-0676 dated June 17, 2004,” the COA said.

But the Army spokesman, Col. Jun Parlade told the BusinessMirror the service will in due time complete the liquidation.

“Records of the Army’s Accounting Service showed that out of the P122,815,001.45 unliquidated cash advances, the amount of P82,082,797.13 or 66.83 percent has been liquidated as of July 31, 2010. The remaining unliquidated cash advance only amounts to P40,732,204.32,” he said.

He said Army headquarters is still in the process of completing the requirements to write off some outstanding cash advances.

“In this connection, the Army Accountability and Liquidation Board [Paalab] has been created and is now actively working on the writing off and adjudication of accountabilities by sending demand letters to concerned personnel with accountabilities,” Parlade said.

Moreover, the Army Accounting Service along with its Field Accounting Units servicing Army-wide units are making corrective measures in order to properly implement the policy of “No clearing, No additional cash advances.”

“The Office of the Army Internal Auditor continues to monitor and recommend remedial measures in order to resolve this concern and other related findings of the COA,” Parlade said.

Meanwhile, COA also revealed that the Navy has failed to account in its books at least 75 units of cellular telephones worth some P2,302,000.

“Seventy-five units of mobile phones costing P2,302,000 were not recorded as communication equipment because these were included on the billing statement as among the regular mobile-telephone expenses, thus resulting in the understatement of the communication equipment account and the over statement of telephone expenses-mobile by the same amount,” the COA said.

“We recommend that management require the supply accountable officer to include the 75 units of mobile phones in the property records and forward the documents to the accounting unit for reclassification to equipment and adjustment of expenses,” it added.


http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/top-news/1715-coa-army-has-1228-million-unliquidated-cash-advances

Do you really have a friend in the Philippine Air Force? Can he prove your conspiracy theories of unreported military accidents? I guess not because you keep on throwing profanity at me as your defense.



I am not proposing to buy old Vietnam War-era machines for the AFP modernization! It was stated in the news that the AFP will be buying them not me.

Conspiracy and profanity my foot.

You started it (attacking me by inventing and twisting scenarios and lies)and incessantly hitting me with your posts and now you are whining?

Read the news (or articles that I posted), try to read and understand my posts carefully, stop putting words to my mouth, stop inventing and twisting scenarios, and quit daydreaming and defending your refurbished hueys and ukay ukay armaments!

April Boy,

If you want peace then please give me a good, realistic reason to support you? The Sokol is a done deal so don't brag it too much but the Gluszec is yet to be verified because the source in Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_W-3_Sok%C3%B3%C5%82) was edited by someone.

Make proposals not criticisms! You badmouth so much about what our AFP currently has but you failed to present examples other than the Sokol helicopter and the Humvee with missiles.

See?

Obviously you dont know how to read.

The Sokol Gluszec is just a suggestion of a forumer from timawa. Read below:

Quote:
posted by Coupmander Yoda (of timawa.net)

My ONLY bet for the new bid for the NCAH:

PZL W-3PL Gluszec. As i've previously said, the PAF would be pressured by the reality of having a limited budget into buying gunship platforms that have the added versatility of troop carrying capability and combat rescue. The commonality with the W-3A is an added factor that will pressure the PAF to buy the W-3PL.
http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=23906.0

Im at peace but you keep on hitting me.

And Im not badmouthing the AFP but Im joining the clamor for a true blue modernization of AFP.

The old hueys of the AFP (with cannibalized parts)and those OV-10 should go and must be replaced (gradually)with brand new helicopters and aircrafts that meet our budget and requirements.

As for those second hand warships, if given free, accept them, but we should also start procuring new ones.

China is busy bullying its neighbors (Japan with disputed islands near Japan and Taiwan; Philippines with the Kalayaan Islands) and we should be prepared for any eventuality.

to Fucking COngressman and Senator.

Both Congressman and Senator need it most because they can't work without $$$$$$ aka Port Barrel.

ano naman kaya masasabi d2 ni Fucking COngressman Lagmam, baka ganito hindi nila kailangan ng modern equipment kasi gumagana pa naman yon mga WWWII planes ng AFP. Puro kayo politics putang ina nyo.

they should done this before. too many Pilot already lost their life because of this "fly to die" equipment of our corrupt arm forces.

tama kayo, nasa uli ang pag-sisi. sana kayong mga congressman at senator pag sumakay kayo sa eroplano na sasakyan nyo sana mag crash para maramdaman nyo ang sama ng loob ng namamatayan.

At meron pa ring mga "expert daw" (dito sa SSC) na pinagpipilitan pa rin na ok yung mga hueys at OV-10 na sinasabi nya.

At conspiracy theory raw yung mga masamang mga balita tungkol sa pagkasira at pagbagsak ng mga lumang hueys, MD-520 at OV-10 ng AFP.

Samantalang malinaw na nababalita yun.

^^ hmmm chill lang kayo gmaer at april boy... its pointless for you to argue kasi again... yung desisyon ay nasa AFP,... all we can do here is to share some infos. and suggest and we can also debate just make sure dat u wont provoke somebody... :cheers:

to everyone!!!
diba the air force is now studying what type of aircraft they're going to purchase?? uhm,... whats the possible aircraft they are more likely to choose??
does anyone knows?? :)

^
Most likely f16 variants

Gripen/F18/f15/Typhoon/Su30 and other 4.5 gen fighters will cost us an arm and leg

^^ nope, we can actually afford this things,... and yah,... practically, f-16 is more cheaper than this aircrafts but still we can actually afford,... but its not yet the priority,... since that we dont have a very serious external threat yet... so better spend it in more important investment like infrastructures... but some also said that they are planning to get f-18's coz we need a double engined craft and all weather capability since na palagi tayong tinatamaan ng bagyo,... but f-16 is already ok hehehe i hope at least 80 aircrafts bilhin nila,... :D i just want a clarification eh hehe f-18 kasi mas bagay sa atin but anyway nasa kanila na yung desisyon hehe :cheers: thanks... :)

we can really afford those things naman eh, pero mas marami pa tayong priorities kaysa dyan especially sa basic social services dun halos ang punta ng budget natin.. sa budget planning pa lang kapos na ang AFP, ano pa kaya sa actual allocation

^
I know we can afford those jets but with their (AFP) meager budget, I doubt they can maintain those assets properly.

^^ ok,... they can maintain it,... pero kung mapupunta lang sa bulsa ng mga officials yung budget then well,... cguradong babagsak talaga yung aeroplano,... :D

Im sure kung bibili ng kahit na 5 lang na multi-role fighter plane ang Pilipinas ay sobrang rally ang gagawin ng mga Bayan Muna, Gabriela, Anak Pawis and yung mga studyante sa UP, PUP etc...

^^ Bayan muna?? of corz,... mga kaalyado ng mga NPA yun eh so talagang pipigilan nilang lumakas militar natin,... kasi xempre pag modernized na kagamitan ng military natin ay tiyak na mahihirapan silang umatake sa mga sundalo,... kahit lumapit lang eh mahihirapan na sila hehehe :D

I think and I agree that we need to replace our aging and puny S-211 aircrafts with better ones. F-16 and F-18 are great replacements. But hopefully we can have the budget for those hi-tech and expensive machines.

If its not possible to have expensive aircrafts like the Gripen and F-16, perhaps we can buy some trainer/light attack aircraft as initial investments. Like these:


Yak-130 Combat Trainer, Russia

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/yak_130/images/Yak130_2.jpg
The Russian Air Force has a requirement for more than 300 Yak-130 combat trainers.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/yak_130/images/Yak130_5.jpg


Hawk Trainer / Light Combat Aircraft, United Kingdom


http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/hawk/images/Hawk3.jpg

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/hawk/images/Hawk4.jpg


T-45A/C Goshawk Trainer Aircraft, USA

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/t45/images/t45_1.jpg
The aircraft is not armed but has a single pylon installed under each wing for carrying bomb racks, rocket pods or auxiliary fuel tanks.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/t45/images/t45_8.jpg

^^ does anybody knows when is the bidding for the new aircrafts>?

^^ hmmm chill lang kayo gmaer at april boy... its pointless for you to argue kasi again... yung desisyon ay nasa AFP,... all we can do here is to share some infos. and suggest and we can also debate just make sure dat u wont provoke somebody... :cheers:

to everyone!!!
diba the air force is now studying what type of aircraft they're going to purchase?? uhm,... whats the possible aircraft they are more likely to choose??
does anyone knows?? :)

The PAF requires 2 engined aircraft for their modernization program.

^
Most likely f16 variants

Gripen/F18/f15/Typhoon/Su30 and other 4.5 gen fighters will cost us an arm and leg

The F-16 has a single engine therefore it does not meet the PAF requirements.

^
I know we can afford those jets but with their (AFP) meager budget, I doubt they can maintain those assets properly.

Current foreign acquisitions of the F-16:

1. Oman US$194.4 million/aircraft (http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/630/)

2. Pakistan US$77.7 million/aircraft (http://news.rediff.com/interview/2010/jun/26/pak-gets-three-upgraded-f16-fighter-planes.htm)

3. Iraq US$83.3 million/aircraft (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htcbtsp/articles/20100703.aspx)

we can really afford those things naman eh, pero mas marami pa tayong priorities kaysa dyan especially sa basic social services dun halos ang punta ng budget natin.. sa budget planning pa lang kapos na ang AFP, ano pa kaya sa actual allocation

The Philippine Air Force's current modernization budget is US$150 million (http://www.thepoc.net/breaking-news/local/8427-air-force-to-get-150-million-upgrade.html). You can only buy 1 F-16 with such a budget and that is not enough to effectively patrol Philippine airspace.

^^ does anybody knows when is the bidding for the new aircrafts>?

Are you planning to participate in the bidding? Check the Philippine Air Force official website for invitations to bid... http://www.paf.mil.ph/notice-of-procurement.html

I think and I agree that we need to replace our aging and puny S-211 aircrafts with better ones. F-16 and F-18 are great replacements. But hopefully we can have the budget for those hi-tech and expensive machines.

If its not possible to have expensive aircrafts like the Gripen and F-16, perhaps we can buy some trainer/light attack aircraft as initial investments. Like these:


Yak-130 Combat Trainer, Russia

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/yak_130/images/Yak130_2.jpg
The Russian Air Force has a requirement for more than 300 Yak-130 combat trainers.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/yak_130/images/Yak130_5.jpg


Hawk Trainer / Light Combat Aircraft, United Kingdom


http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/hawk/images/Hawk3.jpg

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/hawk/images/Hawk4.jpg


T-45A/C Goshawk Trainer Aircraft, USA

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/t45/images/t45_1.jpg
The aircraft is not armed but has a single pylon installed under each wing for carrying bomb racks, rocket pods or auxiliary fuel tanks.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/t45/images/t45_8.jpg

The PAF S-211s were mostly bought brand new in the mid-1990s while some were locally assembled by the Philippine Aerospace Development Corporation. The S-211 was introduced in 1984. The PAF also requires that a new aircraft is actively used by at least 3 different countries.

Yak-130* US$15 million (2008) introduced 2009 users 1+3
BAE Hawk US$28 million (2003) introduced 1976 users 16
T-45 Goshawk US$17.2 million (200?) introduced 1991 users 1

*Yak-130 is the trainer version while Yak-131, Yak-133 and Yak-135 are the combat version. You have to wait for the 3 other countries to get their orders and use them actively before the PAF can consider the Russian Yuck as an option.

See?

Obviously you dont know how to read.


Will I be able to post if I cannot read? :lol:


The Sokol Gluszec is just a suggestion of a forumer from timawa. Read below:


No I am not referring to that but to post # 771 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=63933765&postcount=771)


Im at peace but you keep on hitting me.


Your paranoia and closed-mindedness are making you think that way. :ohno:


And Im not badmouthing the AFP but Im joining the clamor for a true blue modernization of AFP.


Such as? :banana:


The old hueys of the AFP (with cannibalized parts)and those OV-10 should go and must be replaced (gradually)with brand new helicopters and aircrafts that meet our budget and requirements.


40 is still better than 8... the Hueys will remain in service even after the acquisition of new helicopters. Can you think of a better replacement to the OV-10? One that has a longer loiter time and more payload than an attack helicopter? Are you aware that the M-version is a Filipino upgraded version?


As for those second hand warships, if given free, accept them, but we should also start procuring new ones.


Why ask for free again?


China is busy bullying its neighbors (Japan with disputed islands near Japan and Taiwan; Philippines with the Kalayaan Islands) and we should be prepared for any eventuality.

Are there any recent news of China bullying the Philippines in the Kalayaan islands? The United Nations is prepared for any eventuality.

Conspiracy and profanity my foot.

You started it (attacking me by inventing and twisting scenarios and lies)and incessantly hitting me with your posts and now you are whining?

Read the news (or articles that I posted), try to read and understand my posts carefully, stop putting words to my mouth, stop inventing and twisting scenarios, and quit daydreaming and defending your refurbished hueys and ukay ukay armaments!

Can you prove your claims against me? Please quote me on those invented and twisted scenarios and lies if you can!

At meron pa ring mga "expert daw" (dito sa SSC) na pinagpipilitan pa rin na ok yung mga hueys at OV-10 na sinasabi nya.

At conspiracy theory raw yung mga masamang mga balita tungkol sa pagkasira at pagbagsak ng mga lumang hueys, MD-520 at OV-10 ng AFP.

Samantalang malinaw na nababalita yun.

At sino naman yun? You told us that you have an "Air Force" friend who told you that not all accidents in the AFP are reported in the news.

OV-10M (modified) - A modified, four-bladed version of OV-10A by Marsh Aviation for the Philippine Air Force:

Recent modifications by the PAF included upgrades in the engine and propeller (now sporting a four-bladed propeller), and flight controls and sensors. A Service Life Extension Program has been started with all remaining serviceable OV-10s slated to go through the program. With the assistance of Marsh Aviation the PAF is currently overhauling and modernizing the airframe and its systems as well as replacing the increasingly difficult to maintain and service three bladed propeller with brand new units from Marsh Aviation and Hartzell. The program includes the replacement of the difficult to maintain three-bladed propeller, fitting of new gearboxes to improve maintainability, zero timing the airframes and overhauling of the aircraft's subsystems to extend the service life of the airframe, improve serviceability and make the fleet easier to maintain. In place of the old three bladed propeller, a new 100 in (254 cm) diameter propeller designed and manufactured by Hartzell has been fitted. In addition, the fleet is due to receive enough locally-built 20 mm (.79 in) gun pods to equip all aircraft.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:aTvBZIK9IUUKpM:http://unffmm.com/Galerias/Fac/ov10%20M/bronco34.jpg&t=1

The Philippine Air Force has 8 in active service.

More suggested trainer / light attack aircrafts:

C-101 Aviojet Basic and Advanced Military Jet Trainer, Spain

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/aviojet/images/aviojet2.jpgThe underwing weapon hardpoints are capable of carrying bombs, rocket launchers or Maverick air-to-ground missiles.

MB-339 Jet Trainer, Italy

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mb339/images/mb7.jpg
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mb339/images/mb1.jpgThe MB-339CD is the Italian Air Force version of the MB-339FD, meeting the requirement for a low-cost aircraft to train Tornado crews and Eurofighter pilots. The aircraft is representative of current-generation front-line combat aircraft.

Mako Advanced Trainer and Light Attack Aircraft, Germany

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mako/images/eads-mako2.jpg
The aircraft is equipped with seven hardpoints for external installation of weapons for anti-air and ground attack missions.

i think think the Super Tucano will beat OV-10s in combat

hay.....buhay.......gumawa na lang tayo ng sarili.....baka by this time hinog na ang technology mag succeed na ang cali jet program ng afp......panahon pa yun ni makoy...yung prototype nasa air force museum.....sa may naia3....

i think think the Super Tucano will beat OV-10s in combat

It will beat the hell out of OV-10s anytime of the day with its modern avionics and armaments.

Super tucano is a great replacement once we we retired those aging OV-10s. I hope AFP would consider this babies to augment our portfolio. It has various uses which suits our needs just like counter insurgencies, reconnaissance (surveying), border patrol and other combat purposes. Anyway, just wishful thinking :ohno:.

reiterate ko lang......baka ma pick up ng pipol from afp......buhayin ang SRDP Self Reliance Defense Posture.....or Program ata yun......build our own....air assets....

i think think the Super Tucano will beat OV-10s in combat

It will beat the hell out of OV-10s anytime of the day with its modern avionics and armaments.

Super tucano is a great replacement once we we retired those aging OV-10s. I hope AFP would consider this babies to augment our portfolio. It has various uses which suits our needs just like counter insurgencies, reconnaissance (surveying), border patrol and other combat purposes. Anyway, just wishful thinking :ohno:.

EMB-314 Super Tucano / ALX Trainer / Light Attack Aircraft, Brazil

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/super_tucano/images/ALXSuperTucano_1.jpg
The Super Tucano / ALX light attack aircraft / trainer, developed for the Brazilian Air Force (FAB).

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/super_tucano/images/ALXSuperTucano_3.jpg

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/super_tucano/images/ALXSuperTucano_5.jpg
The ALX can be armed with guided air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles and bombs.

^^
lack of proper funding hinders the progress of SRDP

A Super Tucano costs $9 million each. I suppose we can get 10 aircraft plus spareparts and armaments (and training) for $120 million, about 5.2 billion pesos at 44:$1

^^^^should be added to our wish list...

For the meantime, we have this brand new from Italy..

SF-260 Trainer Aircraft, Italy


http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/aermacchisf260traine/images/1-Image-1.jpg
The SF-260 aircraft is used for training and aerobatic operations.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/aermacchisf260traine/images/6-Image-6.jpg


SF-260 orders and deliveries

"The SF-260 is a two-seat light trainer / attack aircraft designed by Stelio Frati and manufactured by Alenia Aermacchi."

Alenia Aermacchi was awarded a $13.1m contract by The Department of National Defence in the Philippines to provide 18 advanced SF-260 trainer aircraft for the Philippine Air Force (PAF) under its forces modernisation programme. The contract also encompasses providing integrated logistics package such as supplying initial equipment and spare parts after sale.http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/aermacchisf260traine/

From timawa.net:


Originally posted by Tora^2
MemberFor the sake of those confused over the Sokol buys, here is the breakdown on the 15 procured:


8 W-3A? Sokols procured under Combat Utility Helo bid:
> Procured under a negotiated bid; Had passed post-qualification
> Sources say this variant is of baseline transport variant (with FAR-29?)
> NOA issued by then SND Norberto Gonzales last Dec 2009
> Letter of Credit still to be issued

7 W-3W/WA/PL? Sokols under procurement under AH Bid
> Announced to have been winner of Sept 9 Open bid
> News reports conflicted on whether it is of W-3W (armed version that saw service with Polish Land Forces deployed to Iraq), W-3WA (armed version with FAR-29 certificate) or W-3PL (Armed version with upgraded avionics currently under eval with Polish Land Forces)
> Sources hint helo will be equipped with an NVG-compatible LASER Pointer and compatible with weapons currently in PAF inventory
> Still under post-qualification and no NOA yet issued
http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=23906.msg243596#msg243596

Might be this one???

http://www.airports-worldwide.com/img/wikipedia/thumb/aircraft_611175537.jpg
W-3WA - armed version during Airshow 2005 in Radom

Are you planning to participate in the bidding? Check the Philippine Air Force official website for invitations to bid...

^^ What the hell dude!!! IM JUST ASKING!!! whats your problem??? :sly:

^^ What the hell dude!!! IM JUST ASKING!!! whats your problem??? :sly:

No problem! Nagtanong ka at sinagot naman kita ng maayos... Ano ba sagot ang hinahanap mo?

^^ maayos?? talaga???

^^ maayos?? talaga???

What do you expect? You asked for when the next bidding will be so I gave you the best source of information!

More suggested trainer / light attack aircrafts:

C-101 Aviojet Basic and Advanced Military Jet Trainer, Spain

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/aviojet/images/aviojet2.jpgThe underwing weapon hardpoints are capable of carrying bombs, rocket launchers or Maverick air-to-ground missiles.

MB-339 Jet Trainer, Italy

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mb339/images/mb7.jpg
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mb339/images/mb1.jpgThe MB-339CD is the Italian Air Force version of the MB-339FD, meeting the requirement for a low-cost aircraft to train Tornado crews and Eurofighter pilots. The aircraft is representative of current-generation front-line combat aircraft.

Mako Advanced Trainer and Light Attack Aircraft, Germany

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mako/images/eads-mako2.jpg
The aircraft is equipped with seven hardpoints for external installation of weapons for anti-air and ground attack missions.

Do you propose to replace the S-211 with either the CASA C-101 Aviojet or the Aermacchi MB-339? The CASA C-101 Aviojet is older (introduced in 1980) than the S-211 while the Aermacchi MB-339 is older than the 2 trainer jets (introduced in 1978).

I am not sure if an aircraft that lost a bid can still bid again in the Philippine Air Force.

The type was offered to the Philippine Air Force to function as both basic and advanced jet trainer but lost the bid. The plan adopted by the PAF then was to buy the Italian SIAI-Marchetti S211 basic trainers and the British BAe Hawk for advanced training (the S211s were eventually delivered but the Hawk deal was shelved). The cost of the C101 as offered was said to be comparable to the cost of the S211s when the deal was signed.

Source: http://www.timawa.net/modernization-paf.htm

i think think the Super Tucano will beat OV-10s in combat

We will get a comparative analysis of the 2 light attack turboprops.

It will beat the hell out of OV-10s anytime of the day with its modern avionics and armaments.

The PAF OV10-M will be one of the direct recipients of the precision-guided munitions and advance avionics software that the US will give to the AFP.


Super tucano is a great replacement once we we retired those aging OV-10s. I hope AFP would consider this babies to augment our portfolio. It has various uses which suits our needs just like counter insurgencies, reconnaissance (surveying), border patrol and other combat purposes. Anyway, just wishful thinking :ohno:.

I don't think they have plans to retire their OV-10s yet since they have upgraded them to the M-version which includes a Service Life Extension Program.

A Super Tucano costs $9 million each. I suppose we can get 10 aircraft plus spareparts and armaments (and training) for $120 million, about 5.2 billion pesos at 44:$1

Nice figures! But how many engines does the Super Tucano have?

^^^^should be added to our wish list...

For the meantime, we have this brand new from Italy..

SF-260 Trainer Aircraft, Italy


http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/aermacchisf260traine/images/1-Image-1.jpg
The SF-260 aircraft is used for training and aerobatic operations.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/aermacchisf260traine/images/6-Image-6.jpg


SF-260 orders and deliveries

FYI those are new additional orders by the Philippine Air Force because they already have the SF-260 decades ago.

In the early 1970s an order was placed for 48 SF.260's divided between 32 SF.260M's and 16 SF.260W's. The first six SF.260's were delivered in May 1973, replacing the Beech T-34A Mentor with 100th Training Wing at airbase Fernando.

The 15th Strike Wing on airbase Sangley Point received the SF.260W Warrior as an addition to the North American T-28 Trojans. They were possibly used in combat against rebel forces in the south of the Philippines. But little is known about its service life. In the early 1980s, the surviving Warriors were disarmed and transferred to the training role with 100th TW. The Philippines Air Force signed with Agusta a contract for the delivery of 18 SF.260TP turboprops on December 31, 1991, replacing the SF.260M/W's in the training role. The first SF.260TP was noted in country on July 1, 1993.

Under "Project Layang" the air force plans to upgrade 18 SF.260M/W aircraft to the SF.260TP standard, by replacing the Lycoming piston engine with the Allison 250-B17D turboprop engine and newer avionics. The first upgraded SF.260 was delivered in 1996, no further upgraded SF.260's are reported yet.

The Philippines is to finalise a deal with Alenia Aermacchi for 18 new-build F.260E primary/basic trainers. Deliveries are expected to start in 2010

ba mukhang you know your history well ah.....actually delivered na ata yung iba nyan.....pinakita na minsan sa tv at yung iba dito na ina assemble....

maganda ang Super Tucano pero single-engine lang sya.. we need multiple-engine aircraft kasi masyadong stressed ang mga planes natin due to their multi-role duties

we should just give the OV-10 a chance.. may upgrade in the pipelines naman eh

^^
Repairs and maintenance of OV-10s is expensive already due to scarcity of available parts in the global market.

With meager budget, I believed AFP is more inclined (right now) in the procurement of multi-role aircrafts rather than dedicated ones.

Seven junior officers cleared

THE SPECIAL general court martial of the Armed Forces on Tuesday dismissed charges against seven junior officers charged with mutiny in February 2006.

The court said the prosecution failed to prove that the seven joined anti-government protests and withdrew support from then-President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo.

Cleared were Lt. Col. Custodio Parcon, Lt. Col. Achilles Segumalion, Col. Orlando de Leon, Maj. Josen Fernan Doctolero, Capt. Dante Langkit, 1Lt. Homer Estolas and 1Lt. Belinda Ferrer.

They were accused of violating Article of War 67 or attempting to create mutiny during a standoff at the Marine headquarters. -- Ann Rozzaine R. Gregorio


http://www.bworldonline.com/main/content.php?id=18525

maganda ang Super Tucano pero single-engine lang sya.. we need multiple-engine aircraft kasi masyadong stressed ang mga planes natin due to their multi-role duties

we should just give the OV-10 a chance.. may upgrade in the pipelines naman eh

walo na lang ang natirang OV10, mababawasan pa yan kasi kukuhanan nila ng piyesa ang iba.

walo na lang ang natirang OV10, mababawasan pa yan kasi kukuhanan nila ng piyesa ang iba.

Agree. :lol::lol::lol:

The remaining OV-10 should be replaced eventually with a combination of brand new SF-260 and super tucanos in the immediate future.

Philippines, ASEAN would oppose China on sea claim: Aquino
Reuters
Posted at 09/24/2010 4:16 PM | Updated as of 09/24/2010 4:36 PM


NEW YORK, United States - The Philippines and fellow ASEAN members will oppose any move by China to claim sovereignty over the South China Sea, Philippine President Benigno Aquino said on Thursday.

So far, however, Aquino said there doesn't seem to be "any sense that China is pushing its weight around on the issue," the Philippine chief executive told members of the Council on Foreign Relations in a question and answer forum.

The subject arose earlier this year when China claimed that the South China Sea is part of its "core national interest." The sea is home to valuable fishing grounds and largely unexploited oil and natural gas fields.

Reports said that last month, China's navy planted a flag at the bottom of this vital shipping lane, where Taiwan and several ASEAN members including Vietnam, Malaysia, and the Philippines have also asserted claims.

ASEAN refers to the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

"If China does push its weight around (on the South China Sea dispute), we as ASEAN will stand as a bloc and oppose that," Aquino said. "Hopefully, we won't have to call it the South China Sea because it is not just their sea."

ASEAN has called for multilateral talks to settle South China Sea boundaries but China has rejected the idea, reports said. In July, U.S. Secretary State Hillary Clinton told ASEAN foreign ministers Washington has an interest in keeping the waters open to all.

Overall, however, the Philippines' leader still hopes for a "peaceful solution" to the territorial dispute.

Another maritime dispute, between China and Japan over a group of uninhabited islands both claim in the East China Sea, has raised tensions recently between those countries.

Aquino is in New York for the United Nations General Assembly meeting. He became the 15th president of the Philippines last June 30, after winning the largest mandate since the ratification of the present Philippine constitution.

Reporting by Gertrude Chavez-Dreyfuss; Editing by Jerry Norton


China are more becoming a greed monster in Asia., Their goal is to become the superior and superpower in the whole Asia and possibly in the entire world replacing America.. But how can they achieve their goal if there is a US presence in Asia pacific..

China are claiming atleast 80% of the south china sea, specially the spratly part which are potentially reach in oil are very important to them to become a fueling station for their navy..

American millitary presence in asia pacific are very important., its our only umbrella as of now from chinese greedy ambitions. also very important to taiwan..

between China and Japan, they cannot trick or scared japan by posing their advance millitary weapons and having some threats like what they do to Philippines before.. they must remember that it is JAPAN, and they are only chinese..

SSC forumers, lets give a big warm welcome to our visiting Timawans, the servants of Adroth.
:cheer:
:lol:

ba mukhang you know your history well ah.....actually delivered na ata yung iba nyan.....pinakita na minsan sa tv at yung iba dito na ina assemble....

I love researching and reading defense articles... :)

^^
Repairs and maintenance of OV-10s is expensive already due to scarcity of available parts in the global market.

With meager budget, I believed AFP is more inclined (right now) in the procurement of multi-role aircrafts rather than dedicated ones.

walo na lang ang natirang OV10, mababawasan pa yan kasi kukuhanan nila ng piyesa ang iba.

The Philippine Air Force contracted Marsh Aviation to upgrade, repair, maintain and lengthen the service life of their remaining OV10 Broncos.

Navy chief: No intrusion on RP-claimed isles in Spratlys (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=615880&publicationSubCategoryId=67)
By Roel Pareño (The Philippine Star) Updated September 28, 2010 12:00 AM

ZAMBOANGA CITY, Philippines – There has been no intrusion in the islands claimed by the Philippines
in the Spratlys’ amid the continuous presence of Chinese war ships near the disputed territory, according to acting Philippine Navy chief Rear Admiral Danilo Cortez yesterday.

The Philippines which have claimed at least nine islands from the disputed chain of islands is located in South China Sea, near Palawan and is the world’s second busiest international sea lane.

Reports showed that China has increased its naval presence in the area which is said to be potentially rich in oil and natural gas resources.

The Chinese Navy presence even intensified when the Vietnam and US conducted bilateral mari-time exercises last August near the border of the disputed islands.

“So far there has been no reported presence of intrusion in the nine islands claimed by our country. We have a gentleman’s agreement (with all the claimant countries) to have a status quo,” Cortez said.

Cortez, who was here as guest of the Naval For-ces Western Mindanao founding anniversary yesterday, said the agreement has been holding among the claiming countries. 

The Navy official said the Philippines continues to make its presence felt with its continuous logistical run in the islands for the Filipino soldiers based in that area.

SSC forumers, lets give a big warm welcome to our visiting Timawans, the servants of Adroth.
:cheer:
:lol:

Where is Adroth? I was a member of timawa net too,( even on opus226 forum before it changed name to Timawa) back in 2002-2004, my username was polri. Anyway, Hi Adroth, long time no see :cheers:


Cheers

Favoritism issue crops up anew at Armed Forces

Written by Rene Acosta / Reporter
Tuesday, 28 September 2010 13:37

THE issue of a “prostituted promotion system” under the new defense and military leadership has again flared up with an officer, this time an Army colonel, complaining of favoritism against his superiors.

Col. Jesus Lomeda Jr. of the Signal Corps, a member of the Philippine Military Academy Class 1980, said he was bypassed for the position of chief of the Armed Forces Communications, Electronics and Information System Service (CEISSAFP), although he knew that he is the most qualified for the job.

Worse, his supposed-to-be predecessor had already declared that the complaining officer would be his successor.

The Signal Corps is a group of highly technical people that gives the military command, control, communications and computers (C4) capabilities. It is the operating arm of the office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Communications (J-6).

Lomeda believes that he did not get the post because he was not a “man” of Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin.

He said he brought his grievance, both before the Board of Senior Officers (Boso) in the Army and the Board of Generals (BOG) in the Armed Forces General Headquarters, but he was not listened to and even the Armed Forces chief of staff, Lt. Gen. Ricardo David, is not inclined to hear him.

“What happened? This is the question I have been asking myself. I cannot find any sensible explanation as I inquire from the different members of the BOG. They, too, have no answers to give me. Like a good soldier, I am expected to keep quiet and just accept things as they are. Anyway, what can I, or even others, do about it? Nothing! For me, I just want to know my shortcomings so I can make some self-improvements and then move on as a civilian,” he said.

“I tried to seek a two-minute audience with the CSAFP [David] to ask him about my deficiencies, but I was given a feeling that he does not want to be bothered and has no time to see me,” Lomeda added.

Lomeda posted his gripes in the Facebook account of the Department of National Defense a month ago, but according to the military spokesman, Brig. Gen. Jose Mabanta, the griping officer pulled it back after one week after a defense official talked to him.

Mabanta said Lomeda was apparently satisfied with the explanation of the defense official.

Earlier, some members of PMA Class 1980 complained that they have been left out in the series of promotion and designations in the military, as evidenced by the appointment of some members of Class 1981 to key positions.

Only one member of Class 1980, Maj. Gen. Jorge Segovia, is holding a higher position, being the commander of the Army’s 10th Infantry “Agila” Division.

But some officers said the leadership even pushed around Segovia as he was transferred from the 2nd Infantry “Jungle Fighter” Division, which is based in Tanay, Rizal, to the 10th ID.

Fending off the accusations of “favoritism” in favor of Class 1981, Mabanta said Class 1980 is smaller in number. Lomeda said he will not hide in anonymity, because in airing his grievances, he knew it would be for the good of the military and “with an intention to be settled among us.”

He said previous articles against Gazmin, whom he said he still respects, on the issue of favoritism “are with basis.”


http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/nation/1844-favoritism-issue-crops-up-anew-at-armed-forces

Where is Adroth? I was a member of timawa net too,( even on opus226 forum before it changed name to Timawa) back in 2002-2004, my username was polri. Anyway, Hi Adroth, long time no see :cheers:


Cheers

Timawans will be a welcome presence in this thread so we can have more critics and realistic and sensible posters.

What do you expect? You asked for when the next bidding will be so I gave you the best source of information!

just answer in a nice way,... parang harsh ka kasi eh... anyway, lets just forget it,... peace...

just answer in a nice way,... parang harsh ka kasi eh... anyway, lets just forget it,... peace...

Copy! Now back to the PAF OV10 Broncos...

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?artic...bCategoryId=200

U.S. to start implementing "precision" missiles in Philippines

(philstar.com) Updated July 30, 2010 05:40 PM

MANILA, Philippines (Xinhua) -- The United States has started implementing a program aiming to prove the precision capability of Philippine military aircraft and help the country in its fight against terrorist groups and other armed groups, the Philippine defense department said today.

"It's a program for the enhancement of the precision capabilities of the aircraft that is supporting our ground troops in the South. So the equipment that will be provided will be basically some software and other equipment which will allow us to perform this enhanced precision capability for the Air Force basically," Department of National Defense spokesman Eduardo Batac.

The 4 million U.S.-dollar project, inclusive of softwares, will be installed to OV-10 planes used by the military in dropping bombs and firing rockets at enemy positions.

The Philippine air force currently has OV10s although only 10 are operational. Batac stopped short of saying how many aircraft will be equipped with the system.

But once completed, Batac said, the aircraft equipped with enhanced precision capabilities can deliver munitions on the enemy even when there is limited visibility

Where is Adroth? I was a member of timawa net too,( even on opus226 forum before it changed name to Timawa) back in 2002-2004, my username was polri. Anyway, Hi Adroth, long time no see :cheers:


Cheers

Am no cock-sucker Adroth, but im sure he will never come over here. I am too a timawan, left that ruined place recently... I will never go back there anymore until he retires w/c i doubt it.

As of the topic, i believe the AFP will never get over it and will never be able to move forward until they rooted out all those A-Holes in the military and government.

Am no cock-sucker Adroth, but im sure he will never come over here. I am too a timawan, left that ruined place recently... I will never go back there anymore until he retires w/c i doubt it.

As of the topic, i believe the AFP will never get over it and will never be able to move forward until they rooted out all those A-Holes in the military and government.

Are you also a member of http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php? I saw your username there in the paintball threads!

Only 42 of 418 cops pass SWAT skills test

By Non Alquitran (The Philippine Star) Updated September 29, 2010 12:00 AM Comments (21) View comments

MANILA, Philippines - Only 42 of the 418 members of the police Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) teams in Metro Manila passed the skills and physical fitness tests of the National Capital Region Police Office (NCRPO).

Metro Manila police chief Director Leocadio Santiago said the 376 policemen who failed the tests conducted last week could still return to the SWAT units, provided they pass the standard physical fitness requirements.

“At least 324 or 77.5 percent of those tested lacked fundamental SWAT skills while 93 others failed to complete and pass the individual skills tests,” Santiago said yesterday.

Of the 418 police SWAT members in Metro Manila, only 56 of them underwent physical tests mainly because of medical problems and old age.

The 42 who made the grade would remain in their respective SWAT units, Santiago said.

Santiago ordered the skills and physical fitness tests on all SWAT units in Metro Manila following the Aug. 23 Manila bus hostage incident that left eight Hong Kong tourists and the hostage taker dead.

Because of the hostage incident debacle, President Aquino and Philippine National Police (PNP) ordered a review and assessment of SWAT skills.

The dismal result of the SWAT assessment program prompted Santiago to fast-track the retraining of all tactical units in Metro Manila.

Chief Superintendent Miguel Laurel, the NCRPO chief of staff and Assessment Team Leader, recommended the immediate implementation of a training program to reveal the physical fitness and individual skills of SWAT personnel to prevent another debacle.

Santiago led police officials in welcoming 211 policemen who volunteered to undergo more rigorous training for SWAT.

The police volunteers have undergone strict selection process supervised by cadre-instructors from the police Special Action Force (SAF).

“Candidates need to pass the battery of physical fitness, shooting skills, and neuro-psychiatric tests to move on to the training proper,” Santiago explained.

“From here on, all SWAT units would undergo standard training to be conducted by SAF instructors. This is necessary to ensure the inter-operability of the various SWAT units from the regional, district, city and municipal police offices in the entire Metro Manila,” he said.

kung neuro psychiatric test lang ang babasehan, majority nga babagsak lol

Copy! Now back to the PAF OV10 Broncos...

^^ yah,.. ok then,... for now OV10 Broncos are good enough for a ground support,... :okay: but i hope mapalitan na to very soon ng multi-role fighter na aircraft... hehehe :lol: but for me, i think if internal threats like npa, abu sayaf and milf,... they are more on a guerilla warfare so i think night capable choppers like ah-1 can be a good solution for this and warplanes for external threats,...

uhm what do you think of the KFIR?? are these planes good?? kasi in terms of the price they almost have the same price with the f-5s like 4.5million USD... more cheaper hehehe though retired na sa Israel pero some AF like Colombia and Equador... still use these planes... but if they really push through f-18 then the better hehe :cheers:

^^ yah,.. ok then,... for now OV10 Broncos are good enough for a ground support,... :okay: but i hope mapalitan na to very soon ng multi-role fighter na aircraft... hehehe :lol: but for me, i think if internal threats like npa, abu sayaf and milf,... they are more on a guerilla warfare so i think night capable choppers like ah-1 can be a good solution for this and warplanes for external threats,...


If it is true that W-3W/WA/PL Głuszec won the NCAH bid then this helicopter should be night capable because NCAH itself stands for Night Capable Attack Helicopter.


uhm what do you think of the KFIR?? are these planes good?? kasi in terms of the price they almost have the same price with the f-5s like 4.5million USD... more cheaper hehehe though retired na sa Israel pero some AF like Colombia and Equador... still use these planes... but if they really push through f-18 then the better hehe :cheers:

The IAI KFIR 2000 is really good because it was used by the Colombians/Ecuadorians to deter Venezuelan Su-30s! The IAI KFIR 2000 is a 3rd generation fighter jet upgraded to 4th generation standards. Canada has offered the Philippines its aging CF-18 at a better deal but I don't know what happened to this proposal.

Stop dreaming. Philippines won't invest in military hardwares. Jueteng pwede pa. Anyway we got tiradors.

17 senators press Aquino to grant mutineers amnesty

SEVENTEEN senators have endorsed a resolution asking President Benigno Aquino III to amnesty the soldiers who were involved in the failed mutinies against former President Gloria Arroyo, and in particular the accused in the 2003 Oakwood Mutiny, the 2006 Marine standoff in Fort Bonifacio, and the 2007 siege of the Manila Peninsula hotel.

Majority Floor leader Vicente Sotto III introduced Senate Resolutiuon 217, which was signed by Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile, President Pro Tempore Jinggoy Estrada, Minority Floor Leader Alan Peter Cayetano, and Senators Lito Lapid, Edgardo Angara, Loren Legarda, Ferdinand Marcos Jr., Gregorio Honasan II, Sergio Osmeña III, Manuel Villar, Ramon Revilla Jr., Miguel Zubiri,Franklin Drilon, Ralph Recto, Teofisto Guingona III, and Francis Escudero.

Honasan, who spearheaded the coup attempts against the late President Corazon Aquino, has benefited from such an amnesty.

Senator Antonio Trillanes IV, who would benefit from any amnesty, was not among the signatories because he is still in jail in Camp Crame. Neither is Senator Panfilo Lacson, who is still in hiding.

The signatures of Senators Joker Arroyo, Pia Cayetano, Miriam Defensor Santiago, and Francisco Pangilinan are not in the resolution. A representative of Pangilinan said the documents had not yet reached his office.

The resolution appeals to President Aquino to reprieve the soldiers under terms and conditions that would be “conducive towards the attainment of national harmony and reconciliation.”

“The national leadership has, time and again, expressed its desire and willingness to offer the hand of peace and reconciliation to the so-called Leftist elements of our society such as the National Democratic Front, Communist Party of the Philippines, New People’s Army[—] even Muslim separatists in Mindanao like the MNLF and MILF,” Sotto said.

“We feel that the so-called ‘rightist’ elements, including the soldiers, should also be extended the same.”

The Constitution allows the President to grant amnesty with the concurrence of the majority of all members of Congress.

“Previous administrations have granted amnesty to both the military and civilian groups who have clashed with government forces and have permitted them to actively involve themselves in legitimate and meaningful political undertakings,” Sotto said.

“[The soldiers] are not isolated from the restlessness of the people seeking good governance in their public officialdom, and sometimes manifest their principles and philosophies out of a good-faith evaluation of what is best for Philippine society.” Eileen A. Mencias


http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideNews.htm?f=/2010/september/30/news5.isx&d=2010/september/30

Stop dreaming. Philippines won't invest in military hardwares. Jueteng pwede pa. Anyway we got tiradors.

^^ nah,... its too impossible to use slingshots in battle,... and thats really a dream haha :lol: we all hope that the government would invest in Military since we badly need it,... so please just help us support instead,... me?? im already annoying Pnoy in FB to modernize the military,... for now, we dont need a very strong military,... but the ability to eliminate internal threats as well as a resistance to the spratly islands(external threat) is already good enough,... :okay:

If it is true that W-3W/WA/PL Głuszec won the NCAH bid then this helicopter should be night capable because NCAH itself stands for Night Capable Attack Helicopter.



The IAI KFIR 2000 is really good because it was used by the Colombians/Ecuadorians to deter Venezuelan Su-30s! The IAI KFIR 2000 is a 3rd generation fighter jet upgraded to 4th generation standards. Canada has offered the Philippines its aging CF-18 at a better deal but I don't know what happened to this proposal.

^^ Wow,... cool man,... I think Kfir is good enough for us, :okay: ... with that price i think we can buy a lot of that,... for me we need at least 75 aircraft's or more air crafts... to at least resist the Greater chinese number... :cheers:


ahh those choppers ba from Poland din??? :D
wait, diba yung AH-1 is due for delivery na?? like 7 of them?

^
The procurement of AH-1 cobras was turned down by AFP because does not meet their requirements

ano ba yung requirement nila? 10% commission?

17 senators press Aquino to grant mutineers amnesty

SEVENTEEN senators have endorsed a resolution asking President Benigno Aquino III to amnesty the soldiers who were involved in the failed mutinies against former President Gloria Arroyo, and in particular the accused in the 2003 Oakwood Mutiny, the 2006 Marine standoff in Fort Bonifacio, and the 2007 siege of the Manila Peninsula hotel.


Senator Antonio Trillanes IV, who would benefit from any amnesty, was not among the signatories because he is still in jail in Camp Crame. Neither is Senator Panfilo Lacson, who is still in hiding.


http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideNews.htm?f=/2010/september/30/news5.isx&d=2010/september/30

Heck, even if Ping Lacson is not in hiding. He should not be one of those who should receive amnesty.

Stop dreaming. Philippines won't invest in military hardwares. Jueteng pwede pa. Anyway we got tiradors.

Who's dreaming? Those I posted came from news reports in the past and online sources that you can find in Google search.

^^ nah,... its too impossible to use slingshots in battle,... and thats really a dream haha :lol: we all hope that the government would invest in Military since we badly need it,... so please just help us support instead,... me?? im already annoying Pnoy in FB to modernize the military,... for now, we dont need a very strong military,... but the ability to eliminate internal threats as well as a resistance to the spratly islands(external threat) is already good enough,... :okay:

Yeah I have to agree that using slingshots to win modern day battles is more of a fantasy than a reality! What is Pnoy's Facebook? I have yet to see it. I only knew one of his contact emails.

^^ Wow,... cool man,... I think Kfir is good enough for us, :okay: ... with that price i think we can buy a lot of that,... for me we need at least 75 aircraft's or more air crafts... to at least resist the Greater chinese number... :cheers:


1 2nd hand F-16 is equivalent to 2 upgraded IAI KFIR 2000 C12


ahh those choppers ba from Poland din??? :D
wait, diba yung AH-1 is due for delivery na?? like 7 of them?^
The procurement of AH-1 cobras was turned down by AFP because does not meet their requirements

Yep the AH-1 Cobras (2nd hand refurbished) that were offered by Israel was rejected by the Philippine Air Force. I am not so sure yet if it is indeed the PZL Gluszec that won the NCAH bid because the Media keeps on confusing the Polish Sokol acquisition which won the CUH bid with the NCAH deal.

ano ba yung requirement nila? 10% commission?

Must be twin engined and used by at least 3 different countries, a FLIR pod for the attack helicopter, etc.

ano ba yung requirement nila? 10% commission?

:lol:

I guess so because it's a state-to-state deal. So there's no bidding process (red tape) and kickbacks (commission) :nuts: that's why they turned down the AH-1 Cobra deal.

:lol:

I guess so because it's a state-to-state deal. So there's no bidding process (red tape) and kickbacks (commission) :nuts: that's why they turned down the AH-1 Cobra deal.

There are no opportunities for corruption if the aircraft will be acquired via government-to-government transaction like what happened to the AH-1 Cobra deal. Another such transaction in the making are Canada's and France's offer for a multi-role fighter jet for the Philippine Air Force but only Canada was able to make a good proposal, probably their old CF-18 Hornet.

Oh cool, I wish PAF would really have these aircrafts from Canada, the CF-18 Hornet.

Is this the older version or it's a newer model?
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z170/midwestguy1/800px-CF-188A_BANKING.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z170/midwestguy1/800px-Canadian_CF-18_2.jpg

^
Older version

Super hornet na yata ung latest

Where is Adroth? I was a member of timawa net too,( even on opus226 forum before it changed name to Timawa) back in 2002-2004, my username was polri. Anyway, Hi Adroth, long time no see :cheers:

Cheers

So this is where you've been Mr. P

The dedicated Indonesian section has been waiting for your input:

http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?board=57.0

:cheers:

^^ nope,... thats the Canadian Version of F-18,... only Canada has that and its called CF-18,... I really Hope and Pray na magka roon tayo ng F-18 kasi thats what we really need for the spratlys... para madali,... 1st batch should be 2nd hand(but make sure dapat na di gaano kaluma) and 2nd batch may be brand new,.... :D but after all we also need new Warships,anti-air defense and anti-submarines,... :lol:

^
The procurement of AH-1 cobras was turned down by AFP because does not meet their requirements

baka naman di practical yung price for a 2nd hand,... cguro almost the same price na rin of buying a brand new,... hehe i really hope magka AH-1 tayo one day,... bat bang mapili masyado military natin?? hehehe :lol::lol:

@ gmaer: search mo nalang,... Noynoy Aquino (P-Noy)... tsaka may official fb page,...

Oh cool, I wish PAF would really have these aircrafts from Canada, the CF-18 Hornet.

Is this the older version or it's a newer model?
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z170/midwestguy1/800px-CF-188A_BANKING.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z170/midwestguy1/800px-Canadian_CF-18_2.jpg

^^Sana magkaroon tayo nito!

^^ maganda rin yung design ng plane,... hehehe Let's Pray nalang,...

i was just looking around wikipedia and luckily,... guess what??

i found this aircraft,... F-111 "Aardvark"...

and its actually good,... try checking it out,...

it just cost 9.8M USD each for brand new,... :D

^^ maganda rin yung design ng plane,... hehehe Let's Pray nalang,...

^^OK na yan.. kesa nman sa lumang OV-10.:nuts:

^^ correct, coz the OV-10 doesnt have a capability to dog fight so we badly need a multi-role fighter,...

i was just looking around wikipedia and luckily,... guess what??

i found this aircraft,... F-111 "Aardvark"...

and its actually good,... try checking it out,...

it just cost 9.8M USD each for brand new,... :D

it's no longer being manufactured

yah,... too bad hehehe

Lets push through F-18 nalang hehehe

and i saw the performance of the W-3 in youtube,...

Gosh, didnt expect but i was actually amazed,... its really far better than our old Uh-1's,... hope i-retire nang lahat ng Huey choppers natin at palitan nalang lahat nito,... hehehe like at least 60 more units we need...

Oh cool, I wish PAF would really have these aircrafts from Canada, the CF-18 Hornet.

Is this the older version or it's a newer model?
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z170/midwestguy1/800px-CF-188A_BANKING.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z170/midwestguy1/800px-Canadian_CF-18_2.jpg


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Older version

Super hornet na yata ung latest

Correct! The CF-18 Hornet is the older version (CD) which was made by McDonnell Douglas while the latest version (EF) is the Super Hornet which was made by Boeing.

http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/AIR_F-18_to_Super_Hornet_Comparison_lg.gif

^^ nope,... thats the Canadian Version of F-18,... only Canada has that and its called CF-18,... I really Hope and Pray na magka roon tayo ng F-18 kasi thats what we really need for the spratlys... para madali,... 1st batch should be 2nd hand(but make sure dapat na di gaano kaluma) and 2nd batch may be brand new,.... :D but after all we also need new Warships,anti-air defense and anti-submarines,... :lol:

The most visible difference between a CF-18 and a US F-18 is the 0.6 Mcd night identification light. This spotlight is mounted in the gun loading door on the port side of the aircraft. Some CF-18s have the light temporarily removed, but the window is always in place. Also, the underside of the CF-18 features a painted "dummy canopy". This is intended to disorient and confuse an enemy in air-to-air combat. Subsequently, the U.S. Marine Corps Aviation and the Spanish Air Force F/A-18 also adopted this "dummy canopy."

Many features that made the F/A-18 suitable for naval carrier operations were also retained by the Canadian Forces, such as the robust landing gear, the arrestor hook, and wing folding mechanisms, which proved useful when operating the fighters from smaller airfields such as those found in the Arctic.

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PZL-Sokols is stereotyped here (PH) because it's not an american military-ware (typical servile mentality).

^^OK na yan.. kesa nman sa lumang OV-10.:nuts:
^^ correct, coz the OV-10 doesnt have a capability to dog fight so we badly need a multi-role fighter,...

The OV-10 is a light bomber not an air defense interceptor (F/A-18) and the difference between a turboprop attack plane to a jet-powered attack plane would be loiter time and target acquisition whereas a turboprop attack plane can fly like a vulture compared to a jet-powered attack plane allowing it to wander around its target for a longer period of time to look for new targets unlike a jet-powered attack plane that has a pre-defined target before launch and will leave the target zone once it is done with its mission - it doesn't have the ability to "loiter" around the target like a vulture because the F/A-18 is a hornet! hehehe

Do you want to fly a Russian jet fighter?

Go to http://www.atlasaerospace.net/eng/pilot-price.htm

This is a good opportunity for Philippine Air Force pilots to test and evaluate Russian MRFs like the MiG-29 and Su-30 which has too good to be true tag prices!

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PZL-Sokols is stereotyped here (PH) because it's not an american military-ware (typical servile mentality).

very true and I agree.:ohno:

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PZL-Sokols is stereotyped here (PH) because it's not an american military-ware (typical servile mentality).

got it right....kala....mga nasa puso ang merika....kala nila....dahil those military aircraft ay palaging panalo sa movie....ay ganun na nga sa totoong buhay...:lol:...their are lots of good planes out their...made by other countries....

Do you want to fly a Russian jet fighter?

Go to http://www.atlasaerospace.net/eng/pilot-price.htm

This is a good opportunity for Philippine Air Force pilots to test and evaluate Russian MRFs like the MiG-29 and Su-30 which has too good to be true tag prices!

yan na lang bilihin, at least kapantay na natin ang DPRK nyan...:D they do have some mig 29's right?? for Pyongyang defense daw...:)

Uncle Sam, again. :)

US to help Philippines handle hostage incidents
Agence France-Presse
Posted at 10/01/2010 6:09 PM | Updated as of 10/01/2010 6:15 PM

MANILA, Philippines - The United States said Friday it would provide aid to the Philippines to help improve its handling of hostage-taking incidents after a debacle in which eight Hong Kong tourists died.

The aid, amounting to $1.4 million, will help Philippine police set up an anti-kidnapping and hostage negotiation training programme, in the wake of the August tragedy, US ambassador Harry Thomas said.

"Even without links to international criminal organisations, crimes can become international incidents, as we saw in the tragic events of August 23," Thomas said in a statement.

In the August incident a discharged ex-policeman took a busload of tourists hostage in Manila, demanding to be reinstated.

Police eventually killed the gunman but not before he had shot dead eight Hong Kong tourists and wounded seven others.

The incident outraged China and Hong Kong and embarrassed the Philippines. Scenes of the ill-equipped police assault team struggling to enter the bus were broadcast live on televisions around the world.

An investigation into the tragedy ordered by President Benigno Aquino revealed glaring deficiencies including the absence of an official hostage negotiator or even a comprehensive policy for dealing with hostage incidents.

The investigating panel has since recommended civil and criminal charges against several government and police officials for their handling of the hostage crisis.
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/10/01/10/us-help-philippines-handle-hostage-incidents

Embarrassing it may seems, I think RP gov should really take this initiative from the US gov just so the Philippine Police and rescue teams would earn a bit more respect internationally.


Thanks for the info and comparison of CF-18 and F-18 @gmaer. I think CF-18 would do just fine for the Philippine Air Force. F-18 is really a good air defence tool but its a bit more than CF-18 which is cheaper yet close to an F-18. PAF can get more CF-18 for the price comparing to F-18.


My only wish is that I hope the PAF would quit painting their aircraft with all camouflage and adding shark face infront of it. :lol:

sa Kfir pa din ako :lol: as long as we get C.10 or C.12 models just like Ecuador and Colombia

Kfirs were indispensable in Sri Lanka ending its Tamil insurgency, and at the same time deter Indian incursions in it's EEZ :banana:

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KFIR is already out of production.

I'm routing for f16/gripen's and light attack/trainer aircrafts for our military modernization.

^^ between F-16 and Jas-39,... hmmm im with Jas-39 i think hehehe :D

hai,... i really hope mag start na talaga yung acquisition...

Uncle Sam, again. :)

US to help Philippines handle hostage incidents
Agence France-Presse
Posted at 10/01/2010 6:09 PM | Updated as of 10/01/2010 6:15 PM

MANILA, Philippines - The United States said Friday it would provide aid to the Philippines to help improve its handling of hostage-taking incidents after a debacle in which eight Hong Kong tourists died.

The aid, amounting to $1.4 million, will help Philippine police set up an anti-kidnapping and hostage negotiation training programme, in the wake of the August tragedy, US ambassador Harry Thomas said.

"Even without links to international criminal organisations, crimes can become international incidents, as we saw in the tragic events of August 23," Thomas said in a statement.

In the August incident a discharged ex-policeman took a busload of tourists hostage in Manila, demanding to be reinstated.

Police eventually killed the gunman but not before he had shot dead eight Hong Kong tourists and wounded seven others.

The incident outraged China and Hong Kong and embarrassed the Philippines. Scenes of the ill-equipped police assault team struggling to enter the bus were broadcast live on televisions around the world.

An investigation into the tragedy ordered by President Benigno Aquino revealed glaring deficiencies including the absence of an official hostage negotiator or even a comprehensive policy for dealing with hostage incidents.

The investigating panel has since recommended civil and criminal charges against several government and police officials for their handling of the hostage crisis.
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/10/01/10/us-help-philippines-handle-hostage-incidents

hello.....hindi nga nila nasalag ang 911 mang eepal pa sila sa ibang bansa....galing lang tong mga to sa projection...tipong shak an ow lang ang mga ito...pero pag protracted war na......iiwan na lang ang mga bansa kanilang sinalaula....case in point....vietnam, iraq and soon afghanistan....oi nde ako merika hater ha....may bahid din ako ng merika....:lol:

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KFIR is already out of production.

I'm routing for f16/gripen's and light attack/trainer aircrafts for our military modernization.

Incorrect! The KFIR 2000 is still for sale and is still being advertised by the IAI website. The most recent order was made last year by the Colombian Air Force.

^^ between F-16 and Jas-39,... hmmm im with Jas-39 i think hehehe :D

A 2nd hand F-16 is equivalent to 1 JAS Gripen or 1 1/2 Indian Su-30 or 2 IAI KFIRs

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I believed Indian Su-30MKI (TVC) is far superior than (2nd hand) f-16 a/b/c/d variants

A 2nd hand F-16 is equivalent to 1 JAS Gripen or 1 1/2 Indian Su-30 or 2 IAI KFIRs

Yah, hehehe but performance wise,... hmmm though Jas-39 wasn't tested in real combat encounter yet but malakas kutob ko na this will work good,... :)

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I believed Indian Su-30MKI (TVC) is far superior than (2nd hand) f-16 a/b/c/d variants

hmmm may be,.. hehe :lol: i reeally wanna see these planes having a practice dogfight,... but anyway, it really depends more on the pilot's skills but technology helps a lot,... :cheers:

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Even Mig-21 can kill f18/f15 in dogfights

Oh cool, I wish PAF would really have these aircrafts from Canada, the CF-18 Hornet.

Is this the older version or it's a newer model?
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z170/midwestguy1/800px-CF-188A_BANKING.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z170/midwestguy1/800px-Canadian_CF-18_2.jpg


The aircraft has been grounded recently because of a crash during a training mission.

hello.....hindi nga nila nasalag ang 911 mang eepal pa sila sa ibang bansa....galing lang tong mga to sa projection...tipong shak an ow lang ang mga ito...pero pag protracted war na......iiwan na lang ang mga bansa kanilang sinalaula....case in point....vietnam, iraq and soon afghanistan....oi nde ako merika hater ha....may bahid din ako ng merika....:lol:

The 9/11 incident was an unpredicted terrorist attack not a hostage crisis. It was unpredicted because for the 1st time a commercial passenger plane was used as a weapon of mass destruction. The last time an aircraft was used as a weapon was in WW2 when the Japs were known for their Kamikaze.

So this is where you've been Mr. P

The dedicated Indonesian section has been waiting for your input:

http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?board=57.0

:cheers:


Chasing people again from another planet, just to attract some attention. :lol:

Why of all places and this? Unless if you're one of those many impersonators.

Uh oh i smell trouble tsk...! Mister adroth what was your last name again? :poke:
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People, keep on dreaming until you get what all we have been really hoping and wanted.

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KFIR is already out of production.

http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af150/aipaul143/Fullscreencapture102201010424AM.jpg

http://www.iai.co.il/17866-22950-en/Business_Areas_Military_Aircraft_Upgrades.aspx?btl=1

By the way, the one I posted comparing the 2nd hand F-16 to that of the JAS Gripen, Su-30 and IAI KFIR was a price comparison (unit cost) not the performance.

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I believed Indian Su-30MKI (TVC) is far superior than (2nd hand) f-16 a/b/c/d variantsYah, hehehe but performance wise,... hmmm though Jas-39 wasn't tested in real combat encounter yet but malakas kutob ko na this will work good,... :)

The Su-30 is capable of doing the Pugachev Cobra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pugachev%27s_Cobra)and thrust vectoring which the F-16 and the JAS Gripen cannot.

hmmm may be,.. hehe :lol: i reeally wanna see these planes having a practice dogfight,... but anyway, it really depends more on the pilot's skills but technology helps a lot,... :cheers:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/264601/sukhoi_su_30_vs_f_16_dogfight/

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Even Mig-21 can kill f18/f15 in dogfights

In 1979, an IAI KFIR managed to shoot down a Syrian MiG-21 and that was the older version of the KFIR not the KFIR 2000.

hello.....hindi nga nila nasalag ang 911 mang eepal pa sila sa ibang bansa....galing lang tong mga to sa projection...tipong shak an ow lang ang mga ito...pero pag protracted war na......iiwan na lang ang mga bansa kanilang sinalaula....case in point....vietnam, iraq and soon afghanistan....oi nde ako merika hater ha....may bahid din ako ng merika....:lol:

Hindi ka anti america pero ang lumalabas sa utak ang bibig mo anti american slogan. Filipino ka nga, pintas ng pintas sa America pero pagdating sa america, didilaan pati puwet nila. E ang filipinas? Na solve ba ang kidnapping , bombing at terrorist acts ng mga Islamic foundamentalist? Hindi ba humingi si Arroyo ng tulong dahil nagoffer ang america pagkatapos na mapatunayan ng intelligence nila na yuong dating PAL bombing, isang testing ground para sa preempt US mainland soil attack? Yan at nuong time na may mga American Missionaries na kidnapped nuon na taga dito sa area namin sa midwest. Kaya lalong nag pursigi na tulongan si Arroyo ng American government.

US government to donate P61 million for PNP hostage rescue training

By Cecille Suerte Felipe
(The Philippine Star)
Updated October 02, 2010 12:00 AM Comments (1) View comments

MANILA, Philippines – The US government has allotted some $1.4 million or about P61.390 million in equipment assistance for anti-kidnapping operations, hostage negotiation, and rescue training for members of the Philippine National Police (PNP).

US Ambassador Harry Thomas Jr. said the assistance would include rescue and recovery operations in the light of the recent hostage tragedy, which left eight tourists and a dismissed police officer/hostage taker dead last Sept. 23.

“Even with links to international criminal organizations, crimes can become international incidents, as we saw in tragic events. The threats cross our borders – on land as well as at sea. No country can face them alone,” said Thomas.

He pointed out that President Aquino’s first official foreign trip was to the United States, making the relationship of the two countries stronger than ever.

He led other US officials in turning over to PNP chief Director General Raul Bacalzo the vehicles, motorcycles, and digital forensic training equipment in a simple ceremony at the PNP national headquarters in Camp Crame, Quezon City.

The value of the grant is about $150,000 or P6.577 million.

The donation was made through the US Department of State Anti-Terrorism Assistance Program (DS/ATA).

“Crime may occur in local communities, but more and more they are linked to national and international crime networks that engage in smuggling of drugs, weapons, and even people,” said Thomas. “What is worse it that illicit proceeds of those crimes often provide funding for terrorism.”

There have been joint training exercises under the auspices of the DS/ATA.

Thomas also turned over three pickup trucks for the Manila Police District, Zamboanga and South Cotabato Explosive Ordnance Units to facilitate post blast investigations.

Intelligence units in Western Mindanao, Central Mindanao and the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao likewise received six motorcycles.

Equipment for a digital forensic training laboratory will be given to the Directorate for Investigation and Detective Management Training School.

By the way, the one I posted comparing the 2nd hand F-16 to that of the JAS Gripen, Su-30 and IAI KFIR was a price comparison (unit cost) not the performance.

The Su-30 is capable of doing the Pugachev Cobra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pugachev%27s_Cobra)and thrust vectoring which the F-16 and the JAS Gripen cannot.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/264601/sukhoi_su_30_vs_f_16_dogfight/

In 1979, an IAI KFIR managed to shoot down a Syrian MiG-21 and that was the older version of the KFIR not the KFIR 2000.

kaya din kaya ng Kfir gawin ang Pugachev Cobra maneuver?

http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af150/aipaul143/1237540.jpg

Hindi ka anti america pero ang lumalabas sa utak ang bibig mo anti american slogan. Filipino ka nga, pintas ng pintas sa America pero pagdating sa america, didilaan pati puwet nila. E ang filipinas? Na solve ba ang kidnapping , bombing at terrorist acts ng mga Islamic foundamentalist? Hindi ba humingi si Arroyo ng tulong dahil nagoffer ang america pagkatapos na mapatunayan ng intelligence nila na yuong dating PAL bombing, isang testing ground para sa preempt US mainland soil attack? Yan at nuong time na may mga American Missionaries na kidnapped nuon na taga dito sa area namin sa midwest. Kaya lalong nag pursigi na tulongan si Arroyo ng American government.

:lol: must have hit a lot of nerves..... parang nasa maling timeline ka....aquino admin na ngayon....:lol:

Not, really. It just didn't make much sense. You seems to have alot of anti american slogan yet you claim that you are not anti American. At ako pa ang nasa maling timeline? E ikaw nga itong kung magsalita , parang si Arroyo pa rin ang nakaupo kahit tapos na ang term niya at kahit maraming paratang sa kanya tungkol sa corruption. Kaya ko nasabi ito, dahil yuong mga pintas mo kay Aquino, parang ang tunog yata gusto mong patalsikin sa puwesto kahit walang illegal at moral issue na nagawa. Medyo magulo yata ang prinsipiyo, hindi consistent. Balingbing ka yata parang huk balahap nuong panahon ng hapon. he he

^^ for me ha,... parang ang tagal na ng air force nag study sa mga aircrafts na yan,... untill now wala parin hmmm anyway, bahala na sila anung aircraft bilhin nila mapa american man or russian or any other countries basta i-speed up na nila yung modernization coz i really fear that it would end up nothing,... hehehe :D

i really hope and pray... na sana mangyari yung acquisition sa times ni Noy2 Aquino...

I'm sure funding is the key issue there. Although, there is alotted funds already, they still have to really carefully look into the budgeting aspect for the procurement of all these armamants , gadgetries and modern air support.

they should emphasize training. what good is having an F-16 kung bopols naman ang mga piloto? sa S211 pa nga lang madalas na mag-crash dahil sa pilot error, F-16 pa kaya?

Ikaw naman, nuong araw nga may blue angels na pinagmamalaki ang pinas nuong may F-14 sila. Gagaling din ang mga yan kung naandiyan na ang mga jets na yan.

exactly. the pilots were high-trained then, during the time when there's the Blue Diamonds and the F5's

Oh yeah , F5 nga pala nuon. Thanks for catching that one for me.

Hindi ka anti america pero ang lumalabas sa utak ang bibig mo anti american slogan. Filipino ka nga, pintas ng pintas sa America pero pagdating sa america, didilaan pati puwet nila. E ang filipinas? Na solve ba ang kidnapping , bombing at terrorist acts ng mga Islamic foundamentalist? Hindi ba humingi si Arroyo ng tulong dahil nagoffer ang america pagkatapos na mapatunayan ng intelligence nila na yuong dating PAL bombing, isang testing ground para sa preempt US mainland soil attack? Yan at nuong time na may mga American Missionaries na kidnapped nuon na taga dito sa area namin sa midwest. Kaya lalong nag pursigi na tulongan si Arroyo ng American government.

:lol: haven't licked anybody's ass yet...ewww and i have no plans of doing so...:lol: lalo na those cultures ...who don't wash their behind....buti pa mga pinoys mga tabo worshippers......:lol:

minsan wala sa model ng fighter yan, nasa skill at experience ng piloto din nakasalalay..

ever wondered why inferior aircraft are sometimes credited for shooting down more superior aircraft in some of the world's conflicts? :)

Philippines to acquire aircraft from Italy, Poland

AP - Monday, October 4SendIM StoryPrint

MANILA, Philippines – The Philippine air force will acquire 26 trainer and combat utility aircraft from Italy and Poland to bolster its capability to carry out anti-insurgency attacks and respond to disasters, an official said Sunday.

The underfunded Philippine military, among Asia's weakest, has been struggling for years to modernize its navy, air and ground forces, which have been battling decades-long communist and Muslim insurgencies.

Italy's Agusta will deliver four of 18 SF-260F two-seater training planes this month. The rest will be turned over in batches in the next several months, air force spokesman Lt. Col. Miguel Ernesto Okol said.

Acquired for 632 million pesos ($14.4 million) more than a year ago, the 18 SF-260Fs will ease a backlog in trainer planes, which are used to teach air force recruits basic navigational skills, formation and night flying, Okol said.

The government is finalizing a deal with Poland's Swidnik for the purchase of eight combat utility helicopters, which could be delivered as early as next year, Okol said.

Details of the deal were not immediately available.

Called Sokol or Falcon, the Swidnik helicopters will complement the air force's fleet of Vietnam War-era Huey helicopters, currently its main troop and cargo carriers, he said.

The Philippines also has begun a bid to acquire eight new attack helicopters and a C-130 cargo plane, Okol said, adding it remains unclear when a deal can be reached.

Only one C-130 plane is currently in use by the air force. Two others have been grounded for regular maintenance, he said.

An air force C-130 aircraft crashed at sea after taking off in stormy weather in southern Davao city in 2008, killing all 11 people on board.

Philippine military chief Lt. Gen. Ricardo David recently lamented the country's weak military, which he said could not even adequately patrol the Spratly Islands that it claims in the South China Sea.

With antiquated planes and ships, the Philippine military's capability in the disputed areas is "almost negligible," he said in a news conference in August.

:lol: haven't licked anybody's ass yet...ewww and i have no plans of doing so...:lol: lalo na those cultures ...who don't wash their behind....buti pa mga pinoys mga tabo worshippers......:lol:

Kunyari ka pa, kung magandang blonde yan baka dilaan mo front to back LMAO:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Hello? Gundam?


AFP to give P1.7M to develop RP robot

By Anna Valmero
INQUIRER.net
First Posted 17:51:00 11/03/2008

MAKATI, Philippines – The Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) is interested to fund further development of a locally made mechanical anti-terrorist concept or “MAC” robot that was initially funded by the Philippine National Police, a lead developer told INQUIRER.net.

MAC lead developer John Judilla of the Mapua Institute of Technology said the AFP will provide funding of about P1.7 million to improve the MAC.

Currently, the MAC team is working to produce a cheaper version of the anti-terrorist robot with a slew of enhancements, he added.

Judilla said the new MAC will use lighter Lithium polymer batteries and fiber glass for body frame to make it lighter.

The prototype uses lead-acid batteries and has a metal body frame. The tilt of the video camera on the gripper was also adjusted to allow the operator better control of the MAC.

Judilla said they will also make the new version capable of operating underwater and be able to go up and down staircases. Like the prototype, the new version will operate using 12 volts input/output of power.

At present, the team is looking up for a manufacturer willing to mass produce the enhanced MAC.

“If we are able to mass produce the MAC, we plan to sell each unit at P100,000,” said Judilla.

Mining countries Cambodia and Laos can benefit from low-cost alternative technologies like this, he said.

“Right now, the trend is affordable, advanced technology. So instead of focusing on the materials to use, we have shown that through the MAC you can invent a smart technology from cheaper materials via engineering process innovation,” said Judilla.

“Key to this process innovation is a good foundation in basic science and engineering,” said Judilla.

He cited as example of this process innovation a design modification they implemented on the prototype MAC so they can work within the P300,000 development budget from the Philippine National Police.

During the prototype’s development, the team considered buying more powerful torque motors than the one they bought so the robot will lift objects.

Focusing on low-cost development, the team instead used a simple compound pulley system to increase the torque effectively so the arm can lift 5kg-objects even with the use of a medium-sized high torque motor, said Judilla.

Last month, the prototype MAC robot won first place at the First World Cup on Computer Implemented Inventions in China, competing against 18 countries and over 40 inventions.

After the competition, the team has received interest for intensive collaboration with a foreign university, said Judilla.

A publisher of elementary and science high school science books also requested for the MAC to be featured in its future paperback edition.

During his presentation at the international competition, Judilla told judges that the MAC is a symbol of national pride, self reliance and technology capability.

With the MAC, they hope to reinvent robots in the Philippines, particularly those used in bomb disposal.

“We envision that U.S. and European institutions will eye MAC as an alternative robotics technology in terms of competitive pricing,” said Judilla.

The MAC team has started showcasing the robot in different locations.

Last week, it joined other school inventions at the Intellectual Property Office-Department of Trade and Industry in Makati. Starting November 4, it will be displayed at the SMX Mall of Asia in Pasig.

Meanwhile, the MAC developer team has filed for a utility model upgrade to invention patent at the Intellectual Property Office for the technology.

http://technology.inquirer.net/infotech/infotech/view/20081103-170022/AFP-to-give-P17M-to-develop-RP-robot

^^ yan dapat indigenous technology at industry dapat ang gagawa.. para naman tayong walang utak dyan eh samantalang mga mahuhusay na scientists natin nagpapa alipin sa mga MNC's

This is a good start.. sana matuloy at sana wag baratin ng suporta ng gobyerno

"The Philippines is also in the market for new corvettes. The country would like around four such ships, displacing up to 2000 tonnes each for usemainly in the anti-submarine role. At present, the force operates 13 corvettes and a single frigate, the BRP Rajesh Humabon; the former US Navy USS Atherton, a Cannon class destroyer. Nevertheless, this acquisition will be highly dependent on the health of the
government's budget. That said, new corvettes will be soon be essential to replace
he ageing Jactino, Rizal and Miguel Malvar corvettes that the force currently operates."


http://www.asianmilitaryreview.com/CurrentIssue/

Air Force to test new planes


Manila Standard
Oct. 4, 2010


AIR Force chief Lt. Gen. Oscar Rabena will lead on Oct. 16 the test flights in Clark, Pampanga, of four of the 18 brand-new trainer planes bought this year from Italy, a spokesman said Sunday.

The first four were delivered in parts that were assembled in Clark. The rest were expected to be delivered before the end of this year or early next year, Lt. Col. Miguel Ernesto Okol said.

“These are propeller planes called SF260F Marchetti from Augusta of Italy. They are also used by the Italian Air Force,” Okol said.

“The total price package is P623 million to include the planes, spare parts, training and integrated logistical support.”

The four new aircraft bring the Air Force’s total number of trainer planes to 19. The previous 15, known as the T-41D, were acquired earlier from South Korea.

“The four trainer planes from Italy are the more modern version than those we acquired from South Korea,” Okol said.

He said about 170 pilots were lined up for basic flight training, so the 19 available trainer planes were enough to speed up their training. Florante S. Solmerin

http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/0/6/708bbfac-d00b-42fa-b611-46b43923a5af.Large.jpg
SF-260s flown by the Italian air force at Latina Air Base

http://www.paf.mil.ph/HQ/PIO/images/images%202009/16%20t41.jpg
LARK AIR BASE, PAMPANGA - fifteen units of T-41B trainer aircraft donated by the Republic of Korea in formation shortly before the formal turnover of documents at Air Force City in Clark Air Base. Secretary of National Defense, Hon. Gilberto Teodoro represented the RP Government while His Excellency HOI, JOONG KYUNG, the ROK ambassador to the Philippines, was the official representative of the ROK. Mr KIM, JOO WON and other officials from the ROK-MND were also present to witness the event.http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=15258.msg152374#msg152374

^^ parang pang world war 2 parin mga equipments natin ah hahaha :lol:

hai sana magbago nang lahat,...

but anyway this will help train our future skilled pilots,... when the time we
acquire modern jets,...

Damn,... they'll fight like a Philippine eagle... :D

Scary huh?? hehe and so much scary when the whole military will be
modernized already...

"The Philippines is also in the market for new corvettes. The country would like around four such ships, displacing up to 2000 tonnes each for usemainly in the anti-submarine role. At present, the force operates 13 corvettes and a single frigate, the BRP Rajesh Humabon; the former US Navy USS Atherton, a Cannon class destroyer. Nevertheless, this acquisition will be highly dependent on the health of the
government's budget. That said, new corvettes will be soon be essential to replace
he ageing Jactino, Rizal and Miguel Malvar corvettes that the force currently operates."


http://www.asianmilitaryreview.com/CurrentIssue/

correction, it's BRP Rajah Humabon

i don't consider the Jacinto class as an "aging" corvette.. the 3 ships of this class is one of the more modern surface ships of the PN together with the BRP Mariano Alvarez (most modern) being laid down in the 1980's and 1990's respectively..

yung tunay na "aging" is yung Rizal class na minesweepers at Malvar class corvette na pawang panahon pa ni McArthur :bash:

Philippine Army augments troops in Mindanao to counter insurgency

(philstar.com) Updated October 04, 2010 08:03 PM Comments (0) View comments

MANILA, Philippines (Xinhua) - About 1,000 Army troops from central Luzon were deployed in southern Philippines to boost the operational capability of the 10th Infantry Division in addressing the insurgents in the area, a senior military official said today.

The 701st Infantry Brigade, which arrived in Mindanao Saturday, came all the way from Burgos, Tarlac to its new workplace in Davao, according to Major General Jorge B. Segovia, commander of the 10th Infantry Division.

Known for its success in counterinsurgency operations, the Brigade under Colonel Leonido Bongcawil will provide command and control on existing army battalions deployed in one of the provinces in the Davao region, Segovia said.

Davao Region is considered to be the national priority area by the Army leadership. The insurgency has been waning in this region for the past few years. The success of the counterinsurgency operations in other regions like Central Luzon, Southern Tagalog and Central Visayas is more tangible and visible with the decreasing atrocities attributed to the leftist New People's Army, the military said.

"The arrival of the 701st Infantry Brigade does not necessarily mean additional troops to run after the insurgents. It will translate to more effective and efficient management of troops deployed for the implementation of peace and development outreach programs," Segovia said.

The Philippine government has been waging war against the leftist rebels for the last four decades.

The administration of President Benigno Aquino III is planning to revive the peace negotiations with the National Democratic Front, the political wing of the Communist Party of the Philippines-NPA.

^^ they should recruit more soldiers specially in the ground forces,...

Ikaw naman, nuong araw nga may blue angels na pinagmamalaki ang pinas nuong may F-14 sila. Gagaling din ang mga yan kung naandiyan na ang mga jets na yan.

The Philippine Air Force never had the F-14 :)

kaya din kaya ng Kfir gawin ang Pugachev Cobra maneuver?

http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af150/aipaul143/1237540.jpg

Nope

"The Philippines is also in the market for new corvettes. The country would like around four such ships, displacing up to 2000 tonnes each for usemainly in the anti-submarine role. At present, the force operates 13 corvettes and a single frigate, the BRP Rajesh Humabon; the former US Navy USS Atherton, a Cannon class destroyer. Nevertheless, this acquisition will be highly dependent on the health of the
government's budget. That said, new corvettes will be soon be essential to replace
he ageing Jactino, Rizal and Miguel Malvar corvettes that the force currently operates."


http://www.asianmilitaryreview.com/CurrentIssue/

The BRP Jacinto class is not yet aging. It was the former Peacock class that was acquired from the British Royal Navy Hong Kong Squadron in 1997. The ships were commissioned in 1983 in the United Kingdom.

correction, it's BRP Rajah Humabon

i don't consider the Jacinto class as an "aging" corvette.. the 3 ships of this class is one of the more modern surface ships of the PN together with the BRP Mariano Alvarez (most modern) being laid down in the 1980's and 1990's respectively..

yung tunay na "aging" is yung Rizal class na minesweepers at Malvar class corvette na pawang panahon pa ni McArthur :bash:

Correct! :banana:

OT lang. :)

China’s Carrier Killers

China’s fiercest anti-ship missile, designed by Russia and dubbed the Sizzler by NATO, has a 300-kilometer range and accelerates to roughly three times the speed of sound as it nears its target. The Sizzler can reach farther and fly faster than the West’s top anti-ship missiles, America’s Harpoon and France’s Exocet. Russia has also sold Sizzlers to India and possibly Iran, and Syria and Algeria have expressed interest, widening the threat. “Everyone in the Western world is wondering how you defeat it,” says John Patch, a professor at the U.S. Army War College.

China sees missiles such as the Sizzler—and a missile currently in development known as the Dong Feng (DF)-21D—as key to its growing naval power in Asia. The Sizzler can be launched from submarines even when submerged, which could turn part of China’s sub fleet from a manageable threat to a “very problematic” one, says Patch. The DF-21D, a ground-launched ballistic missile with a 1,500-kilometer range—is being redesigned by China to dive from space, traveling at about two kilometers per second, to cripple an aircraft carrier. As of today, the U.S. has no reliable countermeasures. With the DF-21D likely to be ready for a flight test in two years or less, the West is suddenly regarding China’s anti-ship capabilities as “pretty daunting,” says Eric McVadon, a former U.S. Navy rear admiral and defense attaché to Beijing.

China’s new missile technology comes at a time when tensions between Washington and Beijing are decidedly strained, and when the U.S. Navy has never been so threatened by weapons systems since the end of the Cold War. In May, U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates expressed reluctance to build new carriers, pointing to the growing range and accuracy of the anti-ship missiles of potential adversaries. For its part, Beijing is likely to continue to beef up its missile capabilities, and already boasts the world’s most active ground-launched programs, according to a recent Department of Defense report.

But China’s missile program could backfire by driving rattled neighbors like Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore, and Thailand to request closer naval cooperation with the U.S., says Ramli Nik, a former Malaysian defense attaché to the United Nations. By talking tough while developing formidable anti-ship weapons, China is undercutting its own goal of keeping America out of its region, says Paul Giarra, a former Asia expert in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Much, however, depends on the American response, the experts say. To maintain its credibility as a reliable shield in the Asia-Pacific, the U.S. Navy needs an answer to China’s new generation of anti-ship missiles.

Source: http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/04/u-s-wary-of-china-s-anti-ship-missiles.html?from=rss

kaya din kaya ng Kfir gawin ang Pugachev Cobra maneuver?

http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af150/aipaul143/1237540.jpg

Well because of the forward canards and the dog tooth wing I think kaya naman but I doubt It will reach a full 90°–120° angle of attack without loosing control (or turning like a falling Piano so to speak hehe). I remember similarly configured delta winged aircraft with canard, the Saab JAS39 tried doing this in their test flights ( with a lost of two test airframes that is blamed on aircraft's FBW software issues) , During that time the JAS39 was an alpha version without thrust vectoring and the usual RM12/GE F404 engine. The only thing is it uses a FBW control and the Kfir is HOTAS (Hand on Throttle and Stick)

Philippines to acquire aircraft from Italy, Poland

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MANILA, Philippines – The Philippine air force will acquire 26 trainer and combat utility aircraft from Italy and Poland to bolster its capability to carry out anti-insurgency attacks and respond to disasters, an official said Sunday.

The underfunded Philippine military, among Asia's weakest, has been struggling for years to modernize its navy, air and ground forces, which have been battling decades-long communist and Muslim insurgencies.

Italy's Agusta will deliver four of 18 SF-260F two-seater training planes this month. The rest will be turned over in batches in the next several months, air force spokesman Lt. Col. Miguel Ernesto Okol said.

Acquired for 632 million pesos ($14.4 million) more than a year ago, the 18 SF-260Fs will ease a backlog in trainer planes, which are used to teach air force recruits basic navigational skills, formation and night flying, Okol said.

The government is finalizing a deal with Poland's Swidnik for the purchase of eight combat utility helicopters, which could be delivered as early as next year, Okol said.

Details of the deal were not immediately available.

Called Sokol or Falcon, the Swidnik helicopters will complement the air force's fleet of Vietnam War-era Huey helicopters, currently its main troop and cargo carriers, he said.

The Philippines also has begun a bid to acquire eight new attack helicopters and a C-130 cargo plane, Okol said, adding it remains unclear when a deal can be reached.

Only one C-130 plane is currently in use by the air force. Two others have been grounded for regular maintenance, he said.

An air force C-130 aircraft crashed at sea after taking off in stormy weather in southern Davao city in 2008, killing all 11 people on board.

Philippine military chief Lt. Gen. Ricardo David recently lamented the country's weak military, which he said could not even adequately patrol the Spratly Islands that it claims in the South China Sea.

With antiquated planes and ships, the Philippine military's capability in the disputed areas is "almost negligible," he said in a news conference in August.

There you go... The Sokol will not replace the Hueys but complement it.

^^ parang pang world war 2 parin mga equipments natin ah hahaha :lol:

hai sana magbago nang lahat,...

but anyway this will help train our future skilled pilots,... when the time we
acquire modern jets,...

Damn,... they'll fight like a Philippine eagle... :D

Scary huh?? hehe and so much scary when the whole military will be
modernized already...

Pilot training involves several stages and that includes training them to fly turboprops first before jet-powered aircraft.

they should emphasize training. what good is having an F-16 kung bopols naman ang mga piloto? sa S211 pa nga lang madalas na mag-crash dahil sa pilot error, F-16 pa kaya?

exactly. the pilots were high-trained then, during the time when there's the Blue Diamonds and the F5's

Paano ka namang nakakasigurado na lahat ng crashes nayun eh pilot errors? Pano kung mechanical problems dahil sa luma na ng aircrafts nila? :bash:

PAF pilots should keep on training kahit na ganito.. :D

http://www.funtoosh.com/pictures/images/japanese_air_force.jpg

Paano ka namang nakakasigurado na lahat ng crashes nayun eh pilot errors? Pano kung mechanical problems dahil sa luma na ng aircrafts nila? :bash:

The PAF S211s are not that old because they were bought brand new in the mid-1990s and they were solely used for jet fighter pilot training back then to prepare student pilots for the F-5 and hopefully the replacements to the retired F-5 which until now hasn't arrived that's why the F-5 role was also given to the S211.

US says committed to eliminating Abu Sayyaf Tuesday, 05 October 2010 06:28

MANILA: The United States yesterday said it will keep sending forces to the Philippines until the Al Qaeda-linked Abu Sayyaf was wiped out as part of its security engagement with Manila. Washington believes the Abu Sayyaf and its regional terror ally, the Jemaah Islamiyah, remain serious threats more than eight years after US forces deployed to the country’s troubled south, US envoy to Manila Harry Thomas said.

“We constantly and consistently assess with the government of the Philippines what we need to do,” Thomas told reporters. “But reducing the size is not the key, it’s eliminating the Abu Sayyaf and Jemaah Islamiyah, because even one person can perpetuate a terrorist threat, a terrorist act.”

He said Washington was committed to sending ‘military advisers’ to help their Filipino counterparts for as long as Manila welcomed them. “We are at a critical threshold. They (US troops) are helping the Armed Forces of the Philippines develop a strategy, to coordinate and eliminate the terrorists,” Thomas said. The Abu Sayyaf is a gang of self-styled Islamic militants founded in the 1990s with seed money from Osama bin Laden’s network.

It is on the US government’s list of foreign terrorist organisations and is blamed for the country’s worst terrorist attacks, including high profile kidnappings and murders.

In 2001 it kidnapped three American tourists, two of whom died at their hands. The United States will also continue sending military aid to the ill-equipped Filipino forces, Thomas said.

It has already donated at least 25,000 helmets to Filipino troops and provided fast-deploying rubber boats to patrol the country’s porous coast line.

US troops began deploying in the south in 2002, shortly after the September 11 attacks, in what has become the Southeast Asian theatre of the global war on terror.AFP


http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/s.-asia/philippines/128137-us-says-committed-to-eliminating-abu-sayyaf.html

^^ kahit wala masyadong US involvement kaya naman natin tong mga abu sayaf tsaka mga MILF eh,... eh yung panahon nga ni Erap dba sumuko namn ang mga to,... mga 1 month of fire lang,...

http://www.spratlys.org/maps/1/China-claims-Paracel-Spratly-Islands.gif

China line of claim. :lol:

http://www.spratlys.org/maps/1/China-claims-Paracel-Spratly-Islands.gif

China line of claim. :lol:

hulangya pinakyaw na lahat! :bash: :bash: :bash:

Di naman gaano gahaman sa territorial claims ha:lol:

http://www.spratlys.org/maps/1/China-claims-Paracel-Spratly-Islands.gif

China line of claim. :lol:

^
As long as may China na kakabit yung lugar pag-aari nila yun

what happened to the philippine sea? biased amp!

Aquino stops helicopter deals over alleged graft

(http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20101005-296138/Aquino-stops-helicopter-deals-over-alleged-graft)
MANILA, Philippines—President Benigno Aquino has blocked the purchase of nine military helicopters worth nearly $93 million after allegations of corruption, military spokesmen said Tuesday.

The Philippine Navy and Air Force both rejected the allegations of collusion to favor a particular supplier of the seven air force attack helicopters and two navy helicopters saying the correct process had been followed.

However the military deferred to Aquino's decision to review the contracts, according to navy Lieutenant-Colonel Edgard Arevalo and air force Lieutenant Colonel Miguel Ernesto Ocol.

"It's not possible to rig that (process) to cater to anybody's requirement," Ocol insisted.

He said the specifications for the P3.2 billion ($73 million) air force contract, which was awarded to Polish firm PZL Swidnik on September 9, were based on Philippine military flight requirements.

"When you come up with that circular of requirements you look at it based on doctrine and based on actual operational use," Ocol told reporters.

"It isn't possible to influence the specs (specifications) to suit a particular manufacturer in that bottom-up process," Arevalo said in a statement.

The Philippine Star newspaper reported Tuesday that the navy contract was yet to be awarded.

The navy's deadline to accept bids for the P850 million contract lapsed last Monday, it added.

"Given the specs, there certainly are other companies who can comply, but the budget could be the major delimiting cause why other bidders may have backed out," Arevalo said.

"We hope that the issue can be resolved really soon. We have an acute need for air assets like helicopters," Arevalo added.

Aquino came to power on June 30 after winning a landslide election, campaigning on a platform of good government and vowing to prosecute predecessor Gloria Arroyo for alleged corruption.

Aquino estimates the government loses P300 billion a year to corruption, or the equivalent of this year's budget deficit forecast

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