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Linguine

January 12th, 2011, 03:01 PM

another donation...parang nakaka..never mind.

Air Force to get reconnaissance planes from Thailand
Wednesday, 12 January 2011 20:13 Zaff Solmerin / Correspondent

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THE Air Force is expecting another donation of armed reconnaissance planes from Thailand as a result of the meeting between the Armed Forces chief of staff, Gen. Ricardo David Jr., and King Bhumibol Adulyadej on January 9, military spokesman Brig. Gen. Jose Mabanta Jr. said.

Mabanta admitted that the aircraft to be donated have been phased-out in the Thai Air Force but could still be useful in the military’s internal security operations.

“They [Royal Thai Air Force] have already phased-out that one [OV-10]. That’s why we need modernization,” he said, implying the necessity for new aircraft.

Mabanta said the Thai king invited David to attend his 84th birth anniversary celebration, and that provided the chief of staff the opportunity to renew military ties with the host country.

“The chief of staff was invited by the king of Thailand in connection with his 84th birthday on January 9. He took advantage of the occasion to renew ties between himself and the commander of the Royal Thai Armed Forces as well as the commanders of other Asean [Association of Southeast Asian Nations] armies,” Mabanta said.

Among topics discussed were the continued exchange of training, logistical and military hardware and fight against global terrorism and drug trafficking, Mabanta said.

“As we all know we have been recipients before of OV-10s coming from Thailand. So these are some of the topics that is still being discussed and we look forward to a better and renewed cooperation between the Armed Forces and Thailand,” Mabanta said.

According to Air Force Lt. Col. Miguel Ernesto Okol, the service is still in the initial stages of acquiring the OV-10 donation from Thailand.

From 2000 to 2004, the Air Force acquired eight OV-10s from Thailand.

The aircraft have been proven effective in the counterinsurgency campaign, especially against the separatist Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF).

However, some of the Air Forces’ V-10s have been involved in crashes, the latest of which was in February last year where two pilots were killed during a simulation bombing run in Crow Valley in Capas, Tarlac.

The OV-010 “Bronco” is an armed observation vehicle that is armed with four M-60 machineguns, rocket pods or up to 500 pound of bombs.

The Air Force received 24 OV-10s from the US in 1991.

The US later turned over another nine units.

Military publications say that Thailand has only two remaining OV-10s and these are on static display in the RTAF museums in Chiang Mai and in Bangkok.

In the early 1970s Thailand acquired a total of 32 brand-new OV-10, that were manufactured by North American Rockwell of the US.

http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/nation/6098-air-force-to-get-reconnaissance-planes-from-thailand

museum piece na pala....:ohno:

Kintoy

January 12th, 2011, 03:17 PM

Mt Apo on the background

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2642/3854826623_7861a58545_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7th_tactical_fighter_squadron_philippine_air_force/3854826623/)
Mount Apo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7th_tactical_fighter_squadron_philippine_air_force/3854826623/) by Philippine Fly Boy (http://www.flickr.com/people/7th_tactical_fighter_squadron_philippine_air_force/), on Flickr

Kintoy

January 12th, 2011, 03:18 PM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3441/3854794479_bcaa763bd6_z.jpg?zz=1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7th_tactical_fighter_squadron_philippine_air_force/3854794479/)
early flight (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7th_tactical_fighter_squadron_philippine_air_force/3854794479/) by Philippine Fly Boy (http://www.flickr.com/people/7th_tactical_fighter_squadron_philippine_air_force/), on Flickr

Simple Dude

January 12th, 2011, 03:58 PM

^^ kung ako nasa pwesto ng DND, di ko tatangapin yan,... "Museum piece"? i better buy a new one,... ok lang naman yun sakin basta gumagana pa, i know lilipad pa yan pero yung may title nang "museum piece" ay parang insulto sakin yan eh, ginagawa nalang tayong basura ultimo Thailand lang,... i better buy new reconnaissance planes rather than DONATED from other countries at mas ligtas pa mga piloto natin,... kung ako, ipasasanla ko nalang yan hehe :cheers:

kenken94

January 12th, 2011, 08:02 PM

‘Don’t play down risks at Spratlys’
Tuesday, 11 January 2011 21:29 Estrella Torres / Reporter
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FORMER President Fidel Ramos and key diplomats have urged the Aquino administration to address the country’s maritime and territorial claims in the South China Sea because of critical economic—especially on energy issues—and security threats posed by conflicting claims by regional neighbors and China.

The calls were made at the launch of Where in the World is the Philippines?, a book by seasoned diplomat and former Foreign Affairs undersecretary Rodolfo Severino at the Manila Polo Club on Monday night.

The book highlights the need for the government to define the shape and nature of Philippine territory and on the limits of Philippine territorial and maritime claims in the South China Sea that are uncertain and under debate, said Severino.

“The book does not take sides in the debate, [it also] gives no answer to questions, [it] raises them and urges the country to resolve the issues,” he added. He is now a senior research fellow at the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies.

Severino said there are “no real answers to the [questions posed in the book regarding the maritime and territorial claims of the Philippines] since it remains a matter of national policy that has to be resolved by the government. Politically, Philippine leaders are loath to make policy decisions that might open them up to charges of ‘giving away’ or ‘giving up’ Philippine territory or otherwise putting the country at a disadvantage with respect to its neighbors.”

Ramos, who keynoted the book launch, said the need to address Spratly islands claims by the Philippines is made critical by the offshore oil-and-gas resources there. “The importance of these resources has heightened significantly as the world’s demand for energy grows, even as offshore-production technology improves.”

“The South China Sea engages the security interest of many countries in the region—which are concerned about the freedom of navigation in the Asia-Pacific, and therefore strategically vital to the major powers,” said Ramos.

The consequences of leaving the issues unresolved, he added, would not provide the Philippines with a “territorial basis for rules of engagement.” For instance, the Navy, Coast Guard and other law-enforcement agencies would be likely fail to carry out their mission of protecting the country’s resources because there is no guiding law “to uphold in the country’s territorial waters, contiguous zone, exclusive economic zone and continental shelves.”

“This inability would continue to give free rein to poachers and other intruders, as it does today, to harvest resources, despoil the environment and violate Philippine sovereignty in what Manila might consider as areas where it has jurisdiction and responsibility,” said Severino in his book.

Severino, who helped draft the Declaration of Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea adopted by China and the members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean) in 2002, said Manila’s failure to resolve the issue “would continue to tie the hands of Philippine negotiators in bargaining with neighboring states on the delimitation of maritime boundaries.”

He added the country will fail to “use and enjoy” the marine wealth in its archipelagic waters, territorial sea and exclusive economic zone, since it cannot enforce its laws on fishing, environment protection and mineral exploration.

Sabah, too

Defining its territorial boundary also helps the Philippines resolve its claims to parts of North Borneo, now known as the Malaysian state of Sabah, said Severino.

With some 500,000 Filipino workers in Sabah, mostly undocumented, the unresolved territorial dispute keeps the Philippines from helping in protecting and improving the situation of its citizens in that territory.

Former national security adviser Jose Almonte lamented that “the nation is not fully aware of what’s happening” in the territorial disputes over the Spratly islands.

He said the government must consider seriously China’s emergence not only as an economic but also a maritime superpower. He noted Beijing’s statements in July last year that its claim over the whole of the Spratlys is not negotiable, similar to its claim on Tibet and Taiwan.

Former solicitor general Estelito Mendoza urged President Aquino to lead a national debate on the matter to be able to craft a “national position” for negotiations in the territorial disputes.

The 2002 Declaration of Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea aims to maintain peace and stability in the Spratlys but over the years claimant countries the Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei saw China building military structures in some of the disputed islands in violation of the agreement.

The claimant parties are now negotiating a more legally binding Code of Conduct in the South China Sea.

bitoy

January 12th, 2011, 08:03 PM

Hindi Bagay sa Pilipinas ang M1 Abrams Tank dahil ang makina nito ay Gas Turbine, Una mahal fuel nito, pangalawa mahirap I-maintain ito, in short magastos, Kaya Leopard Tanks ang pinili ng Singapore na MBT nila. Same terrain natin sila, kaso wala pa tayo budget tyaga na lang sa medium size natin na Scorpion at APC's..

I know that the M1 is not for our terrain, but its engine can use any fuel from gas, diesel or jet fuel.
Baka ipamigay ng US ang kanilang M2 Bradley, alisin lang yung ibang armor shielding nito, puwede na sa kalye sa Pinas.

Alinghi

January 13th, 2011, 01:51 AM

Simple Dude

January 13th, 2011, 01:29 PM

^^ Please watch this Video guys,...

sayang talaga ang mga to,... :gaah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcUXqjn3y0g

blitzmage_89

January 13th, 2011, 04:33 PM

I don't agree on a sale of the land, but a lease of the prime properties are fine. I highly doubt that it would 100% go to the AFP though. These congressmen know how to work around things.

bitoy

January 13th, 2011, 09:05 PM

For sure, they won't have any problem with their tech support... :D

India soon to fly first fighter jet built at home (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110110/ap_on_bi_ge/as_india_combat_aircraft)

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India's first indigenously developed fighter aircraft prepares to take a flight during a function in Bangalore, India, Monday, Jan. 10, 2011. India's defense ministry has approved the production of Tejas, after years of development delays and cost overruns, an official said.… Read more » (http://www.calcuttanews.net/story/729599/ht/Indias-own-first-supersonic-fighter-Tejas-handed-to-Air-Force)(AP Photo/Aijaz Rahi)

ajaaronjoe

January 13th, 2011, 09:09 PM

^^ It looks like a rubbish

bitoy

January 13th, 2011, 09:26 PM

^^ It looks like a rubbish

^^ Something that a Brit or a Pakistani might say. ... :lol:

Alinghi

January 14th, 2011, 02:27 AM

^^ It looks like a rubbish

rubbish for the 1st World, but for an emerging Asian power, it's better than nothing at all

Brown Tiger

January 14th, 2011, 04:20 AM

rubbish for the 1st World, but for an emerging Asian power, it's better than nothing at all

PHILIPPINES INDEGINOUS FIGHTER PLANE
SPEED: MACH 5
LENGTH: 15 METERS
HEIGHT: 3 METERS
WEIGHT: 1.3 TONS
WT. W/ PAYLOAD: 2 TONS
ENGINE: ION PROPULSION
AVIONICS: TRIDON
DESIGN: BROWN TIGER INDUSTRIES

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Alinghi

January 14th, 2011, 04:51 AM

^^ corny :nuts:

by the way, it's spelled as "indigenous", not "indeginous" :lol:

lochinvar

January 14th, 2011, 04:54 AM

Inde nga daw ito genius. :lol:

bitoy

January 14th, 2011, 06:43 AM

Baka nga takot ang ibang bansa sa atin, dahil puro STEALTH ang mga fighter jets at mga gamit pang giyera ng Pinas....

..hindi makita talaga ng mga kalaban at pati ng kakampi.... :lol:

Alinghi

January 14th, 2011, 06:54 AM

Baka nga takot ang ibang bansa sa atin, dahil puro STEALTH ang mga fighter jets at mga gamit pang giyera ng Pinas....

..hindi makita talaga ng mga kalaban at pati ng kakampi.... :lol:

5th Strike Wing, 6th Attack Squadron based at Capiz Air Base

1st Air Defense Wing, 8th Tactical Fighter Squadron based at Siquijor Air Base

undefeated yan sa aerial combat at marami nang kills di na mabilang :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

gaLj

January 14th, 2011, 07:13 AM

5th Strike Wing, 6th Attack Squadron based at Capiz Air Base

1st Air Defense Wing, 8th Tactical Fighter Squadron based at Siquijor Air Base

undefeated yan sa aerial combat at marami nang kills di na mabilang :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

With some flaws : it can't fly during daylight, with limited distance, the other half should be stationary and well guarded.
In spite of the flaws it's still a good deterrent against our adversaries.

Arvor

January 14th, 2011, 08:05 PM

One has to take it with a grain of salt when they say "indigenous".

bitoy

January 14th, 2011, 09:12 PM

Brown Tiger

January 14th, 2011, 09:14 PM

Inde nga daw ito genius. :lol:

ETONG TAO NA ITO ANG PUNO'T DULO NG CORRUPTION SA MILITARY
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Golez: Garcia's padrino is Angelo Reyes
abs-cbnNEWS.com
Posted at 01/15/2011 1:25 AM | Updated as of 01/15/2011 1:44 AM
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MANILA, Philippines - Retired Maj. Gen. Carlos P. Garcia did not act alone in his corrupt activities in the military, and he may have gotten some help from higher authorities, Parañaque Rep. Roilo Golez said on Friday.

Golez said the former military comptroller could not have been able to siphon millions of pesos from the coffers of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) by himself.

Golez said AFP chiefs of staff who served when Garcia was comptroller should be investigated, including Angelo Reyes.

"Itong ubod ng laking kasong ito, mahirap mangyari na hindi alam ng mga superiors ito. Either napakatanga nila - na hindi ko naman pinaniniwalaan... o di lang pinansin dahil baka meron silang kinalaman dito," he said.

Golez specifically singled out Reyes, whom he called Garcia's "padrino."

Reyes was secretary of national defense when Garcia was comptroller, and he [Reyes] was AFP chief of staff when retired Maj. Gen. Jacinto Ligot was comptroller.

Ligot is also being investigated for possible plunder after he was found to have properties in California in the United States, including a condominium unit at the Essensa in Fort Bonifacio, even if his salary was only P40,000 a month.

Golez said Reyes was the one who was deciding for the armed forces during the time of Garcia and Ligot.

"Nothing happens in the AFP without his clearance... Siya ang common denominator dito," he said.

He also said that Reyes's wife Teresita traveled abroad nearly 50 times in a span of 11 years.

He questioned where the Reyeses were able to get the funds for their travels, saying the number of trips reflected the lifestyle of a "super millionaire."

He also called for an investigation of five other chiefs of staff under whom Garcia served as comptroller.

Reyes did not answer calls from ABS-CBN News for his comment on Golez's allegations. Report from Chiara Zambrano, ABS-CBN News

chris_nigel

January 15th, 2011, 02:09 AM

5th Strike Wing, 6th Attack Squadron based at Capiz Air Base

1st Air Defense Wing, 8th Tactical Fighter Squadron based at Siquijor Air Base

undefeated yan sa aerial combat at marami nang kills di na mabilang :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

ehh mura lang pang laban dyan ehh garlic bread lang pwede na..lol but we can make them useful in terms of psych war..lol

jpdm

January 15th, 2011, 02:22 AM

^^ Something that a Brit or a Pakistani might say. ... :lol:

rubbish for the 1st World, but for an emerging Asian power, it's better than nothing at all

Agree.

And even the 1st, 2nd and 3rd world system created by Western Powers is no more.

kalbongdad

January 15th, 2011, 10:22 AM

go undergroud na lang tayo or underwater for preservation....mukhang mas mura magtago kesa makipaglaban....:lol:

gmaer

January 17th, 2011, 04:09 AM

the Bradley is also appealing since it can fire TOW anti-tank missiles

My 2nd vote after the KTO Rosomak...

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The Mbombe is a 6x6 armoured fighting vehicle (AFV) developed by Paramount Group. The high-mobility armoured infantry vehicle is suitable for a range of military roles. It was launched in September 2010 at the International Aerospace and Defence Exhibition AAD 2010.

Mbombe is the first vehicle of its kind to offer all-round protection against rocket propelled grenade (RPG) attacks, improvised explosive devices (IED) and anti-tank mines. The vehicle can be deployed in both conventional and non-conventional war and counter-insurgency operations.

The 6x6 wheeled vehicles is designed to carry significant payloads over all types of terrain, with extreme mobility. The three axle configuration provides excellent cross-country performance.

Mbombe has a highly versatile platform and can be modified to cater to military requirements across the world. The platform has a modern design and incorporates the latest technology to reduce overall height. The vehicle can be fitted with day / night vision equipment and sensors for better observation and engagement.

The vehicle has ample space to accommodate a driver, commander, gunner and eight armoured infantrymen. The versatile platform allows the manufacturers to easily convert it into other variants.

This maximum commonality provides flexibility and reduces the overall cost of owning and using the vehicle.

Mbombe incorporates commercial-off-the-shelf (COTS) automotive assemblies and components supplied by volume-driven manufacturers. This will reduce the cost of ownership and increases the availability of components in the market.

The vehicle can be optionally fitted with central tyre inflation system (CTIS), run flat inserts (RFI), ABS brakes, BC overpressure system, auxiliary power unit, radios, intercom systems, add-on armour kits (active and passive) and battlefield management systems.

Armament

The Mbombe can be armed with a dual feed 30mm calibre cannon and a 7.62mm coaxial machine gun fitted to the right side of the main armament. There are four smoke grenade launchers mounted on each side of the turret.

Self-protection

The vehicle features a mine-resistant flat hull rather than a v-shaped hull, providing the vehicle a lower profile than other typical MRAP vehicles.
The vehicle has extreme blast protection combined with high levels of defence to resist kinetic attacks. The low silhouette reduces the target profile. The armoured hull can resist ballistic attack of up to STANAG 4569 Level IV.

Mbombe can withstand the blast of 10kg TNT anyplace under its hull or under any wheel section without tear.

The vehicle features anti-blast seats to prevent injuries to the crew from extreme acceleration after an explosion alongside or under the vehicle.

Modular armour protection can also be attached to the vehicle for additional defence against specific threats in any particular combat theatre. The vehicle offers crew protection against 155mm burst rounds and features special protection modules for IEDs. The windows of the vehicle are fitted with armour cages.

gmaer

January 17th, 2011, 04:13 AM

China downplays stealth jet threat as military might grows (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/1/12/worldupdates/2011-01-12T144134Z_01_NOOTR_RTRMDNC_0_-541010-1&sec=Worldupdates)
By Sui-Lee Wee and Ben Blanchard

BEIJING (Reuters) - China told the United States on Wednesday its first test-flight of a stealth fighter jet should not be seen as a threat, reiterating it had no intention to challenge U.S. military might in the Pacific.BEIJING (Reuters) - China told the United States on Wednesday its first test-flight of a stealth fighter jet should not be seen as a threat, reiterating it had no intention to challenge U.S. military might in the Pacific.

Old School Jet Retooled to Slay Stealth Fighters... (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/01/old-school-jet/)

It’s been just three weeks since China unveiled its new J-20 stealth fighter, and already the U.S. Air Force has plans well underway to defeat the mysterious plane from Chengdu.

No, the Pentagon won’t be buying more F-22 Raptors from Lockheed Martin. Instead, the U.S. military’s main flying branch has turned to an older jet that, with upgrades, could prove to be an even better J-20-killer than the newer, more expensive F-22. That’s right: the Boeing F-15 Eagle, one of the stars of the 1991 Gulf War, is quickly shaping up as America’s main countermeasure to China’s new fighter for the next 20 years.

To be fair, the F-15 and F-22 (and, later, the F-35) will probably usually work in teams. But the F-15, with its better sensors, could prove to be the backbone for U.S. and allied forces in any Pacific dogfight.

The magic is all in the Eagle’s nose. Compared to the angular, stealthy F-22, the totally non-stealth F-15 has a more capacious nosecone that can carry a larger radar. The larger the radar, the more likely it is to detect the J-20, despite that plane’s potentially very small frontal radar cross-section. The F-15 also routinely carries more fuel and missiles than the F-22.

The Pentagon has begun fitting new, electronically scanned Raytheon APG-63(V)3 radars to around 175 F-15Cs dating from the 1980s. In a few years, the 220 ’90s-vintage F-15Es — normally optimized for ground attack, but also capable of air combat — will get new APG-82(V)4 radars, also from Raytheon.

To pay for this electronic transformation, the Pentagon has set aside some of the roughly $34 billion it will save by shutting down several redundant Air Force headquarters and command centers and delaying production of the troubled F-35 stealth fighter-bomber.

The F-15 as J-20 killer!

gmaer

January 17th, 2011, 04:17 AM

Navy explosives expert honored (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=648454&publicationSubCategoryId=473)
By Alexis Romero (philstar.com) Updated January 16, 2011 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines – The US Navy recently feted a Filipino Navy officer and explosives disposal expert for his efforts to ensure the safety of civilians against explosive devices.

Lt. Leo Dimoc was given the Explosive Ordnance Device (EOD) Officer Master Technician and Warfare badge, the first Filipino to receive such recognition.

The badge signifies that the recipient is capable of handling explosive devices based on the qualifications set by the US Navy.

Navy spokesman Capt. Giovanni Bacordo said Dimoc is only the fourth Asian to receive such a badge.

“The award is based upon Lt. Dimoc’s sustained superior performance over the last two years, having flawlessly executed his chain of command’s EOD vision by tactically leading his team during the disposal of more than 100,000 rounds of retrograde ordnance, with a perfect safety record,” Bacordo said

Dimoc was honored in a ceremony attended by Navy and police officials and representatives from the Joint United States Military Advisory Group in Camp Aguinaldo.

Dimoc has been handling explosive devices since he joined the Naval Special Operations Group in 1997. He had shipping experience on board the BRP Quezon and BRP Pangasinan.

“As a demolitionist, we destroy the enemy and their implements. As an EOD technician, we render safe disposal of unexploded ordnance and improvised explosive devices,” Dimoc said

Dimoc underwent training for seven months at the Basic Naval EOD Course at the Naval School EOD in Florida.

He led the unit which disposed of around 40,000 lbs of explosive war remnants at the Naval Ordnance Depot Detachment in Caballo Island in 2009 and 2010.

He also led a group that disposed a submarine-launched mobile mine at the east coast of Luzon and recovered a hand grenade at the Cavite City Hall.

Dimoc was also involved in the disposal of a fragmentation grenade thrown by a suspected Abu Sayyaf member at a village in Bongao, Tawi-Tawi. In addition, he helped organize the Counter IED conference in Fort Bonifacio in 2009.

I wonder where did the submarine-launched mobile mine (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/systems/mk-67.htm) came from?

mwg12a

January 17th, 2011, 04:24 AM

My 2nd vote after the KTO Rosomak...

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/paramountmbombe6x6ar/images/1-Image-01.jpg

The Mbombe is a 6x6 armoured fighting vehicle (AFV) developed by Paramount Group. The high-mobility armoured infantry vehicle is suitable for a range of military roles. It was launched in September 2010 at the International Aerospace and Defence Exhibition AAD 2010.

Mbombe is the first vehicle of its kind to offer all-round protection against rocket propelled grenade (RPG) attacks, improvised explosive devices (IED) and anti-tank mines. The vehicle can be deployed in both conventional and non-conventional war and counter-insurgency operations.

Self-protection

The vehicle features a mine-resistant flat hull rather than a v-shaped hull, providing the vehicle a lower profile than other typical MRAP vehicles.
The vehicle has extreme blast protection combined with high levels of defence to resist kinetic attacks. The low silhouette reduces the target profile. The armoured hull can resist ballistic attack of up to STANAG 4569 Level IV.

Mbombe can withstand the blast of 10kg TNT anyplace under its hull or under any wheel section without tear.

Can't they just develop something like these in the Philippines? If they can build a humbie, why can't they build something similar to these. Perhaps they can buy one or two and study how it is made, they can copy, modify and improve it. The government would save money for these somehow and if they were able to build these on their own, it can even be another source of revenue for the military if they can export these to other countries for a fraction of the price with the same amount of reliability and ability. Just my two cents.

Danny Chua

January 17th, 2011, 11:39 AM

The magic is all in the Eagle’s nose. Compared to the angular, stealthy F-22, the totally non-stealth F-15 has a more capacious nosecone that can carry a larger radar. The larger the radar, the more likely it is to detect the J-20, despite that plane’s potentially very small frontal radar cross-section. The F-15 also routinely carries more fuel and missiles than the F-22.

So, by the same logic, the Chinese could just fit more powerful radars on their SU-27s (which has an even bigger nosecone than the F-15 and is a newer plane!) , and they could now detect F-22s too. ;)

I'm not buying this. If a plane's stealth features could make it avoid detection by ground arrays and those huge radars carried by AWACs planes then I doubt that the puny radars (in comparison) carried by fighter planes would do any better.

Linguine

January 17th, 2011, 03:55 PM

Favoritism, political patronage mark selection of next military chief
Monday, 17 January 2011 20:28 Zaff Solmerin / Correspondent

THE normal process of selecting candidates for the most-coveted chief of staff position is being characterized again by favoritism and political patronage.

The Armed Forces chief of staff, Gen. Ricardo David Jr., a member of the Philippine Military Academy (PMA) Class 1977, will reach the mandatory retirement age of 56 on March 7.

“If favoritism and political patronage will prevail, which is most likely to happen again, expect that the next chief of staff will be coming from PMA Class ’79,” a middle-grade officer said in anonymity.

PMA Class ’79 has been the “ruling class” in the military because of their closeness to Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin, a former Army chief who had a long stint as Presidential Security Group commander during the time of the late President Corazon Aquino.

Even military spokesman Brig. Gen. Jose Mabanta Jr. has admitted the toughness of selection because almost every general officer is qualified for the position.

The President, as commander in chief, may appoint even a brigadier general with one year time in grade as chief of staff.

“The best jockeying really is selling [oneself] to the stakeholders. Well, more important than jockeying is your acceptability as professional soldier… mahirap ’yan. The most important thing right now is your reputation more than ever, more than anything else and this has been built ever since your cadetship rather than pushing yourself…inaantok ako, eh,” he said in jest, apparently underscoring the negative impact of favoritism and political patronage.

The Board of Generals (BOG) composed of the vice chief of staff, the deputy chief of staff and the commanders of the Army, Navy and Air Force headed by the current chief of staff will recommend the three best candidates and their names will be submitted to the defense secretary who, in turn, will submit the list to the commander in chief, who will choose one of those on the list.

But in practice, the President usually makes his choice known to the BOG, that will, in turn, “recommend” the “chosen officer.”

Leading the race based on career path and seniority are the Western Mindanao Command chief, Lt. Gen. Raymundo Ferrer (PMA Class ’77); the Armed Forces vice chief of staff, Lt. Gen. Reynaldo Mapagu (Class ’78); and the Western Command chief, newly promoted Lt. Gen. Juancho Sabban (Class ’78).

Ferrer and Sabban are experts in the Mindanao campaign against rebellion and terrorism, while Mapagu is an acclaimed well-rounded leader and manager.

But the three have to battle it up with the PMA ’79 “favorites” such as the Northern Luzon Command (Nolcom) chief, Lt. Gen. Gaudencio Pangilinan, and the Army chief, Lt. Gen. Arturo Ortiz.

Pangilinan is the only senior officer in recent years who was given a unified area command without passing through division command.

This means that the biggest command that Pangilinan got in his career is that of a brigade or three battalions.

However, military sources said the position of Armed Forces chief of staff “has been reserved” for Pangilinan because of his impending retirement.

Pangilinan is set to retire in July and thus will only have five months as chief of staff in case he gets appointed to the post.

http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/nation/6285-favoritism-political-patronage-mark-selection-of-next-military-chief

Simple Dude

January 17th, 2011, 06:12 PM

The mBombe is also a good choice hehe :okay: its a high tech vehicle and will surely scare the rebels and bandits,... especially if yung camera niya is able to see a body heat at tiyak na wala nang matataguan yung mga salot na yan,... im pretty sure it will really be expensive,... but we can buy a first batch of 12 units of it and deploy it to the most hostile places in the country,... :cheers:

Simple Dude

January 17th, 2011, 06:15 PM

The F-15 as J-20 killer!

^^ then lets purchase f-15's instead for our air force,... kahit isang squadron lang,... 25-30 units ay ayus na,... sa ngayon lang naman yan eh,...

Simple Dude

January 17th, 2011, 06:17 PM

Favoritism, political patronage mark selection of next military chief

^^ Then it really sucks,... :ohno: buti if matalinong chief yung mapili eh pano kung abnormal?? kawawa nanaman AFP natin,... :cry:

Arvor

January 17th, 2011, 09:03 PM

So, by the same logic, the Chinese could just fit more powerful radars on their SU-27s (which has an even bigger nosecone than the F-15 and is a newer plane!) , and they could now detect F-22s too.

I'm not buying this. If a plane's stealth features could make it avoid detection by ground arrays and those huge radars carried by AWACs planes then I doubt that the puny radars (in comparison) carried by fighter planes would do any better.

Large modern ground and naval based radars are quite capable of detecting stealth aircraft modern European destroyers are able to detect American stealth aircraft so it isnt the case at all that stealth aircraft are invisible to radar, Even the Swedish have developed systems that can track and destroy stealth aircraft for a fraction of the cost, stealth is mainly useful against less developed militaries the real advantage for these aircrafts are in scenarios that are away from the coverage of those powerful systems over an ocean for example or over less developed countries, the main problem for the Americans anyway is that in such a conflict China will be able to target their air bases in the region with missiles and without bases in the region the US will have a hard time doing any fighting .

bitoy

January 18th, 2011, 05:06 AM

^^ If China will start firing their missiles on American bases, it will become a different kind of war. You might not see any planes flying on both sides, just ballistic missiles with god-knows what kind of warhead in them.

gmaer

January 18th, 2011, 07:16 AM

I know that the M1 is not for our terrain, but its engine can use any fuel from gas, diesel or jet fuel.
Baka ipamigay ng US ang kanilang M2 Bradley, alisin lang yung ibang armor shielding nito, puwede na sa kalye sa Pinas.

The DPWH will not even allow the M1 Abrams tank on Philippine roads, highways and bridges because it is heavier than 41,000 kilos.

http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/LAND_M1A1_Baghdad_Currum_Ago_lg.jpg

DPWH tests anti-overloading drive on roads (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/01/12/11/dpwh-tests-anti-overloading-drive-roads)
By RG Cruz, ABS-CBN News
Posted at 01/12/2011 11:19 PM | Updated as of 01/13/2011 10:34 AM

MANILA, Philippines - The Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH) held a dry run of the implementation of its anti-overloading campaign on Wednesday.

DPWH Undersecretary Raul Asis said the campaign is needed, citing a DPWH study that says the life of roads is diminished by 5 years because of overloaded vehicles.

For example, a national road that is expected to last 20 years lasts only 7-10 years because of overloading of vehicles.

The DPWH set up 3 weighing stations at the Manila North Harbor and another 3 weighing stations at the Manila South Harbor.

Vehicles found overweight were let off with a warning and given a brochure against overloading.

Asis said the warning is only for Wednesday.

By February 1, overweight vehicles will be fined the equivalent of 25% of their Motor Vehicle User's Charge or Road User's Tax.

A 6-wheeler cargo truck's maximum allowed weight limit is 16,880 kilos while the maximum allowed weight of the biggest cargo truck – a 22-wheeler trailer – is 41,000 kilos.

The DPWH is working with the Land Transportation Office and the Philippine National Police in the project.

gmaer

January 18th, 2011, 07:20 AM

8 of 10 cop probers lack skills - PNP (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=648863&publicationSubCategoryId=63)
By Cecille Suerte Felipe (The Philippine Star) Updated January 17, 2011 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Eight out of 10 police officers handling criminal investigation nationwide lack formal training and skills, jeopardizing the cases, the Philippine National Police (PNP) admitted yesterday.

A document obtained by The STAR showed that there are 3,781 police officers occupying investigative positions in nine regions, but only 908 of them, or roughly 24 percent, have formal training on case investigation.

The document stated that the remaining 2,873 police probers, or 75.98 percent, do not have any basic training on how to handle the investigation but they nevertheless probe cases like crime incidents.

The figure is expected to go up when the other six regions, including Metro Manila and the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao (ARMM), shall have submitted their data to the PNP-Directorate for Investigation and Detective Management (DIDM).

DIDM chief Director Arturo Cacdac said the evaluation of PNP personnel occupying investigative positions was part of the effort to address some of the dysfunctions in the PNP.

Cacdac said 80 percent of personnel tasked as investigators have not undergone any basic investigation course.

He said one of the areas that needs immediate attention is the lack of competent and effective field investigators who possess the skills and the right attitude to work on a case and pursue it until resolved by the courts.

“Police officers are the first responders, thus we really need to give our law enforcers the basic knowledge on crime scene preservation and other field training,” he said, admitting that there are fresh recruits assigned to investigation units despite being new to the service.

Cacdac said the PNP has started the program to address the problems and so far there were two batches of police officers who have completed the 45-day basic course on investigation.

He said the agency’s “investigative capability project” is focused on the development of human resources and formulation of needed basic and standard procedures in the conduct of investigation of crimes.

Since assuming office, PNP chief Director General Raul Bacalzo has been pushing for “back to basics” programs to ensure that all the 135,000 policemen have the basic training and knowledge on police investigation.

Bacalzo admitted that at present, many police officers do not have the basic skills like handcuffing a suspect, patrol operations and case investigation, and do not know the Miranda doctrine.

The Miranda doctrine requires police officers to inform a suspect being arrested of his right to remain silent and the right to have a lawyer, among others.

Based on the records furnished by nine police regional offices, the Calabarzon (Region 4-A) police has 719 police investigators but only 168 have basic training on case investigation. Calabarzon covers Cavite, Laguna, Batangas, Rizal and Quezon.

Of the 543 police investigators in the Ilocos Region (Region 1), 402 do not have proper training on investigation, while in Western Visayas (Region 6) only 77 of the 451 police investigators underwent training and 374 needed related seminars.

In Southern Mindanao (Region 11), there are 409 policemen assigned to investigation units but only 42 of them know what they are doing, while 367 need training.

In the Caraga region, there are 338 police investigators but 280 of them admitted having no formal education on investigation. Only 58 police officers have training.

In Cagayan Valley (Region 2), of the 378 police investigators, 119 underwent training and 259 did not.

The Cordillera police reported that it has 358 police investigators, 154 had training while 201 have none. In Eastern Visayas (Region 8), only 61 of the 215 police investigators have basic training and 154 need training.

More reasons to start thinking about abolishing the PNP and replacing it with a newer and better trained Police Force!

kalbongdad

January 18th, 2011, 03:48 PM

pwede tawagin silang PULIS POORS :lol:

kyril

January 18th, 2011, 09:40 PM

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/01/18/351920/philippines-to-consider-ov-10-replacement.html

Philippines to consider OV-10 replacement
By Greg Waldron
18/01/11

The Philippines has a requirement for a single-engined light attack turboprop as it considers replacing its Rockwell OV-10 Broncos.

The new aircraft will need to match the specifications of the OV-10 in terms of weapons, powerplant, and observation efficiency, says the Philippine air force. It will also need short take-off and landing capability.

An air force team has been drafting an outline for the requirement, which will at some point be submitted to the Philippines' defence department. The air force says, however, that the budget could be an issue.

Possible candidates could include the Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano, Korea Aerospace Industries KT-1 and Beechcraft T-6 Texan II.

In November 2010, neighbouring Indonesia ordered eight Super Tucanos to replace its OV-10s. This was Embraer's first Asian sale for the type, although the deal has still to be approved by Indonesia's defence ministry.

As an interim measure, the Philippines is in talks with Thailand about a donation of Thai OV-10s. Philippines armed forces chief staff Gen Ricardo David Jr was recently in Thailand, with the possible OV-10 exchange raised as a "point of discussion", says the air force.

The Philippines is not sure how many aircraft Thailand is willing to offer, however.

The OV-10 is an important type for the Philippines' air force, which, like Indonesia, uses the aircraft in the counter insurgency mission. The Philippines is afflicted by a number of low-intensity conflicts, particularly on the southern island of Mindanao, where Islamic militants are active.

"The OV-10 is a good platform," says the air force. "It delivers a multiplicity of munitions and is a good observation platform." It adds that at present only eight OV-10s are operational.

In addition, the Philippines could also buy Malaysia's surplus early-model Pilatus PC-7 primary trainers as Kuala Lumpur may purchase 12 additional PC-7 Mk IIs.

Simple Dude

January 19th, 2011, 03:15 AM

^^ i recommend super tucanos for the replacement of the OV-10's,... its more on a high tech & advanced trainer aircraft and also best for COIN operation,... ;)

Brown Tiger

January 19th, 2011, 05:21 AM

^^ i recommend super tucanos for the replacement of the OV-10's,... its more on a high tech & advanced trainer aircraft and also best for COIN operation,... ;)

Sale of military camps reached P51-B
By Max V. de Leon, Business MirrorPosted at 01/19/2011 8:39 AM | Updated as of 01/19/2011 8:39 AM
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MANILA, Philippines - The Bases Conversion and Development Authority (BCDA) has generated P50.822 billion in total revenues for the government from the disposition of former military camps since 1993, with its 2010 output valued at P3.28 billion.

The proceeds cover the disposition of former camps in Fort Bonifacio and the Villamor Air Base, among others, where properties such as the Bonifacio Global City, Market! Market!, Serendra, McKinley Hill and Jusmag Property are currently located, according to a BCDA report.

“Of this amount, P19.32 billion has been remitted to the National Treasury for the account of the Armed Forces of the Philippines [AFP], broken down into P9.823 billion for the AFP modernization program and P9.496 billion for the military replication expenses,” the state-run agency said.

Besides the P3.28 billion in disposition revenues it generated in 2010, the BCDA also earned P4.791 billion last year from the redemption of its preferred shares in Fort Bonifacio Development Corp. (FBDC), the joint- venture company developing Bonifacio Global City, where the BCDA holds 45% equity. Of the amount, the BCDA is set to remit P1.847 billion for the AFP share.

Based on current projections, some P26 billion more are expected from joint-venture transactions already entered into for the development of Bonifacio properties with firms, such as Ayala Land and Megaworld. This is besides the projected revenues from the 45% share being held by the BCDA in FBDC.

The BCDA also remitted to the National Treasury P462.2 million, representing the shares of the contiguous municipalities of Taguig, Pateros and Makati, as well as P7.092 billion in favor of 14 government beneficiary-agencies mandated under Republic Act 7227, the Bases Conversion and Development Act (RA), as amended by RA 7917.

These government agencies include the National Shelter Program, which finances mass social-housing project for the underprivileged and homeless citizens of the country.

BCDA also supports other government programs using the proceeds from its asset-disposition program.

ANG TANONG.... SAAN NAPUNTA ANG MGA PERA NA ITO?????
BUSISIIN MO PINOY.....

Simple Dude

January 19th, 2011, 08:44 AM

ANG TANONG.... SAAN NAPUNTA ANG MGA PERA NA ITO?????
BUSISIIN MO PINOY.....

^^ edi sa bulsa ng mga kurakot na opisyal hehe :lol: yung iba napunta din sa mga taong walang bahay (siguro 1.1% lang) lol,... :)

spearhead

January 21st, 2011, 12:22 AM

PHILIPPINES INDEGINOUS FIGHTER PLANE
SPEED: MACH 5
LENGTH: 15 METERS
HEIGHT: 3 METERS
WEIGHT: 1.3 TONS
WT. W/ PAYLOAD: 2 TONS
ENGINE: ION PROPULSION
AVIONICS: TRIDON
DESIGN: BROWN TIGER INDUSTRIES

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/PH-40.jpg

Ano inde-genius? I had to screw back my heart dude! :lol:

crossboneka

January 21st, 2011, 02:28 AM

diz

January 21st, 2011, 06:56 AM

^^ Like detail? :lol:

gmaer

January 21st, 2011, 07:27 AM

^^ i recommend super tucanos for the replacement of the OV-10's,... its more on a high tech & advanced trainer aircraft and also best for COIN operation,... ;)

The Super Tucano is not primarily a high tech & advanced trainer aircraft and secondarily a COIN aircraft...

The Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucano, also named ALX or A-29 is a turboprop aircraft designed for light attack, counter insurgency (COIN) and pilot training missions, incorporating modern avionics and weapons systems. It is currently in service with the air forces of Brazil, Dominican Republic and Colombia, and has been ordered by the forces of Chile and Ecuador. Embraer has plans to sell it to other countries in Asia and the Middle East.

In other news... Stealthy Chinese J-20 Vulnerable (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=defense&id=news/awst/2011/01/17/AW_01_17_2011_p20-281824.xml&headline=Stealthy%20Chinese%20J-20%20Vulnerable)

Jan 18, 2011

By David A. Fulghum, Bill Sweetman, Bradley Perrett, Robert Wall
Washington, Washington, Beijing, London

China’s newest combat aircraft prototype, the J-20, will require an intense development program if it is going to catch up with fast-moving anti-stealth advances.

In fact, anti-stealth will bring into question all stealth designs: How much invulnerability will current low-observability techniques offer as air defense systems adopt larger and more powerful active, electronically scanned array (AESA) radars? From the early days of AESA development, a key goal was to build a radar that could detect very small objects—such as a cruise missile at a distance great enough to target and shoot it down—or a larger object like a fighter with a very low-observable treatment.

Airborne detection of stealth aircraft may already be an operational capability. In a series of tests at Edwards AFB, Calif., in 2009, Lockheed Martin’s CATbird avionics testbed—a Boeing 737 that carries the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter’s entire avionics system—engaged a mixed force of F-22s and Boeing F-15s and was able to locate and jam F-22 radars, according to researchers. Raytheon’s family of X-band airborne AESA radar—in particular, those on upgraded F-15Cs stationed in Okinawa—can detect small, low-signature cruise missiles.

Moreover, Northrop Grumman’s lower-frequency, L-band AESA radar on Australia’s Wedgetail airborne early warning and control aircraft is larger and potentially more capable of detecting stealth aircraft at longer ranges.

So no need to worry... :banana:

firebar10

January 21st, 2011, 10:26 AM

na plea bargain na yung pinagbentahan..hehehehe

Restless

January 21st, 2011, 10:44 AM

The J-10B recently started serial production, and differed from the earlier J-10 version by having a nose shape optimised for an AESA radar rather than an electronically steered radar.

The last information I've seen was from 2years ago. There was a report that the gallium arsenide modules (from the semiconductor fabrication plants) were large and expensive compared to their US equivalents.

It looks like AESA technology is pretty widespread now, as there are US/UK/European/Japanese/Swedish/Russian/Israeli manufacturers today.

Simple Dude

January 21st, 2011, 12:58 PM

The Super Tucano is not primarily a high tech & advanced trainer aircraft and secondarily a COIN aircraft...

^^ but its better than the OV-10's,...

Alinghi

January 21st, 2011, 02:42 PM

^^ but its better than the OV-10's,...

how? just because it is newer? just because neighbor Indonesia considered it? just because it is not yet given as excess defense article? i beg to differ

in military parlance, "newer" doesn't automatically translate to "better"

it may be new, it may be fast, it may act and look like a fighter jet, it may have been used and praised by many AF's around the world, but if it can't carry more ordnance payload and can't be as slow as the OV-10, then it does not give us a tactical advantage in our COIN ops

Brown Tiger

January 21st, 2011, 03:17 PM

may room pa for improvement :cheers:

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/PH-40-1.jpg

THIS NEW JET IS PROUDLY PHILIPPINE MADE AND FAR MORE SUPERIOR THAN THE 5TH GENERATION F-22/F-35.

(ASSEMBLY PLANT LOCATION IS TOP SECRET)

gaLj

January 21st, 2011, 05:10 PM

Simple Dude

January 21st, 2011, 06:29 PM

kalbongdad

January 22nd, 2011, 12:42 AM

hindi na natin kailangan ang mga yan.....mukhang isinuko ng ng admin ni pnoy ang bansa....sa HK palang :ohno: ...... talagang palpak ang admin na ito....

Alinghi

January 22nd, 2011, 03:31 AM

^^ ok hehe :okay: yeah, through performance i shall agree that OV-10s are better than Super Tocano's through experience in battle but not really that much . and it may also depend on the pilot's,... i prefer more on Super Tocano as a "replacement" of OV-10's,... look at the Broncos which Thailand is donating to us,... its already a "Museum Piece"... and yes, i know newer doesn't automatically translate to better, but do they still produce OV-10's? anyway, the main issue here is the replacement of OV-10s,... not a comparison among two aircrafts hehe :)
and speaking of COIN operation, we need those planes like OV-10's for surveillance and also for light attack... and it has an advantage being slow,... but for me in terms of COIN operation through air, we need more on helicopters... transport and attack helicopters like Uh-1's, blackhawk(if possible) or etc... and AH-1's,... :cheers:

1) hindi ka pa na nasanay na almost all of what we acquire from external defense contractors are museum pieces.. it's nothing new really, unless we buy 100% brand-new planes, ships, and armaments..

2) as long as there are companies like Marsh Aviation who offer SLEP programs for the OV-10's, then they could still be very usefull for the time being and the near future.. just look at the F-15 for example, it's more than 20years old and parts have been scarce lately, but still it is delegated with the duty to act as deterrent China's newest J-20 stealth fighter-bomber, thanks to a SLEP and radar upgrade program..

3) for COIN recon/surveillance, i prefer unmanned drones.. for maritime patrol, i prefer P3-C Orion or the twin-prop Casa's

4) hueys and blackhawks are more of the combat utility-type, less suitable for attack..

waraywaray architect

January 22nd, 2011, 04:42 AM

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/browntiger10/PH-40-1.jpg

THIS NEW JET IS PROUDLY PHILIPPINE MADE AND FAR MORE SUPERIOR THAN THE 5TH GENERATION F-22/F-35.

(ASSEMBLY PLANT LOCATION IS TOP SECRET)

wow.. this is really great...:cheers: ganda ganda naman ng drawing. superb siguro and computer program neto.

ajaaronjoe

January 22nd, 2011, 07:05 AM

is it made in China? then that would be suck too

Igsuonnimo

January 22nd, 2011, 10:46 AM

No meaningful programs with short AFP chief stint — David
By Mario J. Mallari

01/21/2011

Describing his eight-month stint as Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) chief of staff as too short to implement meaningful programs, Gen. Ricardo David Jr. yesterday pushed a longer term for military chiefs coming after him to ensure continuity in the organization.

David, who assumed as AFP chief last July and is reaching the mandatory retirement age of 56 on March 8, said his eight-month tenure is “very short” to make a difference in the 120,000-strong military organization.

“It’s very short because the continuity of your programs as the current chief of staff could not be realized. That’s why there is need for longer term to take routes what you want to accomplish,” said David.

David cited the bill pending before the Congress which calls for a fixed three-year term for the AFP chief.

“I’ve been supporting that. The chief of staff probably should have a two to three years term because this is good for the continuation of programs. If you have a project, like me we have Bayanihan, how can we be sure that it will be followed?” explained David.

Internal Peace and Operation Plan Bayanihan is the current program crafted by AFP leadership under David to defeat the decades-long insurgency problem in the country within the next six years.

“A chief of staff should really have a longer term,” added David.

The AFP chief expressed hopes that his successor would serve longer than his eight-month tenure.

“I want the chief of staff to serve probably longer than me but that will depend on the President,” said David.

David said that he will be submitting to President Aquino the names of all the three-star generals as candidates to replace him. He, however, explained that the commander in chief could go deeper into the bottom of the two-star general who still have two years left in the active service.

“I will be submitting all of the three-star generals but he (President) can take a look on those who have two years in the service,” said David.

The present pool of three-star generals are AFP Vice Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Reynaldo Mapagu, AFP Deputy Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Eduardo

Oban, Army chief Lt. Gen. Arturo Ortiz, Air Force chief Lt. Gen. Oscar Rabena, Philippine Military Academy (PMA) Superintendent Vice Admiral Leonardo Calderon and AFP Inspector General Lt. Gen. Mario Catacutan.

Northern Luzon Command chief Lt. Gen. Gaudencio Pangilinan, Southern Luzon Command chief Lt. Gen. Roland Detabali, Western Command chief Lt. Gen. Juancho Sabban, Central Command chief Lt. Gen. Ralph Villanueva and Western Mindanao Command Lt. Gen. Raymundo Ferrer.

Mapagu, Rabena, Detabali, Villanueva and Sabban are all members of the PMA Class of 1978 which has former President and now Pampanga Rep. Gloria Arroyo as honorary member.

Calderon is from PMA Class of 1976 while Ferrer and Catacutan are mistahs of David from PMA Class of 1977.

On the other hand, Ortiz, Pangilinan and Oban are member

No meaningful programs with short AFP chief stint — David (http://www.tribuneonline.org/nation/20110121nat6.html)

Mapagu, Rabena, Detabali, Villanueva and Sabban are all members of the PMA Class of 1978 which has former President and now Pampanga Rep. Gloria Arroyo as honorary member.

:) Boyzone??? :)

gaLj

January 22nd, 2011, 03:43 PM

^^
That's a great news indeed.

It's just like our country, we are still uncertain of what direction we are heading. We are aware that the road is called the "Daang Matuwid" , but we don't know yet, if it's the road towards true progress, or just disguising as one.

Simple Dude

January 22nd, 2011, 04:33 PM

1) hindi ka pa na nasanay na almost all of what we acquire from external defense contractors are museum pieces.. it's nothing new really, unless we buy 100% brand-new planes, ships, and armaments..

2) as long as there are companies like Marsh Aviation who offer SLEP programs for the OV-10's, then they could still be very usefull for the time being and the near future.. just look at the F-15 for example, it's more than 20years old and parts have been scarce lately, but still it is delegated with the duty to act as deterrent China's newest J-20 stealth fighter-bomber, thanks to a SLEP and radar upgrade program..

3) for COIN recon/surveillance, i prefer unmanned drones.. for maritime patrol, i prefer P3-C Orion or the twin-prop Casa's

4) hueys and blackhawks are more of the combat utility-type, less suitable for attack..

^^ i somehow agree with you hehe and i know that UH-1s and blackhawks are combat utility-types thats why i labeled them as transport choppers,... the attack helicopter was the AH-1 hehe :lol: pero pwede din namang gawing attack yung Huey eh just modify it hehe :cheers:

Alinghi

January 22nd, 2011, 04:59 PM

No meaningful programs with short AFP chief stint — David (http://www.tribuneonline.org/nation/20110121nat6.html)

Mapagu, Rabena, Detabali, Villanueva and Sabban are all members of the PMA Class of 1978 which has former President and now Pampanga Rep. Gloria Arroyo as honorary member.

:) Boyzone??? :)

panahon pa ni Ramos nauso tong mga chief-of-staffs na ilang buwan lang tumatagal sa pwesto tapos pinapalitan kaagad due to political considerations kung sino man ang nakaupo.. kaya walang continuity sa mga programs at policies kasi pag upo ng pumalit, most of the time eh rendered moot na yung past programs or at least deferred to an indefinite date of implementation :bash: :bash: :bash:

it's quite ironic for the civilian government to condemn those soldiers who stage mutinies when they themselves are fueling the AFP brass and soldiers to take political sides and be partisan.. natural yung mga sundalo eh susunod sa mga padrino ng kanilang mga paboritong heneral :bash: :bash: :bash:

red_jasper

January 23rd, 2011, 07:47 AM

San Francisco cops in training program to PH

INQUIRER.net (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/20110123-316110/San-Francisco-cops-in-training-program-to-PH)

MANILA, Philippines—Several officers of the San Francisco Police Department (SFPD) were in the country for a two-week mission as part of their Philippine Exchange Training Program (PET) with the Philippine National Police (PNP), it was learned.

In a news release, Philippine Consul General to San Francisco Marciano A. Paynor Jr. said this year’s delegation, headed by Lieutenant Eric Quema, will join law enforcement officers from the PNP for a two-week training and education exchange program that includes symposiums, seminars, tactical skills training on crime scene investigation, officer safety, and terrorism.

PET, which was conceptualized by SFPD officers of Filipino ethnicity, is now on its 11th year.

Paynor lauded the gains of the exchange program and thanked the SFPD officers for their efforts to foster camaraderie and professional ties with their counterparts from the PNP. As part of the program, PNP officers have also sent delegations to San Francisco to train with the SFPD.

Linguine

January 23rd, 2011, 08:54 AM

Palace open to proposed fixed term for AFP chief
By Aurea Calica (The Philippine Star) Updated January 23, 2011 12:00 AM Comments (5) View comments

MANILA, Philippines – Malacañang said yesterday it would consider the proposal to give the Armed Forces chief of staff a fixed term to insulate the military from political influence and allow continuity in the implementation of programs.

Palace Communications Group Secretary Ricky Carandang said lawmakers and military officials support the proposal.

“Our understanding is (AFP chief of staff) General (Ricardo) David supports that. Some of our allies in the Senate and the House support that. It’s certainly a measure worth considering. We would seriously think about that,” he said.

Under this set up, the president as commander-in-chief appoints a new chief of staff after the compulsory retirement of the incumbent.

David, who retires on March 8, suggests giving the chief of staff a term of two to three years. He clarified, however, that he would no longer be covered by the proposal if it is adopted.

A chief of staff is required to retire upon reaching the age of 56 regardless of the date he was appointed. The president may extend his term to complete the maximum tour of duty of three years in times of war or national emergency.

gaLj

January 23rd, 2011, 11:10 AM

Agence France-Presse
First Posted 16:06:00 01/23/2011

Filed Under: Defense, Security (general), Military

MANILA – The Philippine Navy on Sunday said it was in talks with the United States government to buy a second hand coastguard cutter to upgrade its ageing fleet.

Navy chief Rear Admiral Alexander Pama said the 380-feet (115 meter) Hamilton class vessel, which he did not name, would significantly boost Manila's capability to patrol its archipelago.

"We are actively discussing with the US government the possible acquisition of the Hamilton class," he said.

"We need this to boost security in our exclusive economic zone."

Pama said the Hamilton class cutters are the biggest vessels used by the US coastguard, with the exception of heavy ice breakers.

The vessel was expected to arrive in Manila in the first half of the year, replacing the navy's flagship BRP Raja Humabon, a Cannon-class destroyer escort which is probably one of the world's oldest war ships, the Filipino navy said.

Equipped with a retractable hangar, a helicopter flight deck and powered by a dual engine or gas turbines, the Hamilton cutter is described as a high endurance cutter with close-in weapons systems.

Pama said he could not disclose exact figures for the purchase, which he described as the first of several being planned.

The Philippines is considered a non-NATO military ally by the United States, which has been sending troops to the impoverished country for training missions to help crush Al-Qaeda-linked militants in its troubled south.

The Philippine armed forces is considered by many experts as among the weakest in the Asian region, but President Benigno Aquino vowed to modernize it shortly after assuming his post in June last year.

Good news indeed, but i don't agree with them to retire the venerable BRP- Rajah Humabon, not yet, he served our nation very well, and I hope we continue to use him to patrol our shores.

pi_malejana

January 23rd, 2011, 11:14 AM

^^ wow i'm so excited haha...:banana::banana: mas malaki 'to sa Humabon??
kaso i agree, mukhang useful pa naman yan, may mga upgrades pa ngang nilagay, sayang naman...

:cheers:

Alinghi

January 23rd, 2011, 11:22 AM

baka hanggang press release lang yan ha :lol:

@pj_malejana: Humabon is around 300ft or shorter.. the Hamilton-class is pang frigate-type na ang size at almost 400ft

gaLj

January 23rd, 2011, 11:41 AM

baka hanggang press release lang yan ha :lol:

@pj_malejana: Humabon is around 300ft or shorter.. the Hamilton-class is pang frigate-type na ang size at almost 400ft

Let's all give this Government a chance to prove themselves

kenken94

January 23rd, 2011, 12:31 PM

Alinghi

January 23rd, 2011, 12:34 PM

Let's all give this Government a chance to prove themselves

nabuhayan nga ako ng loob, sa totoo lang :)

waraywaray architect

January 23rd, 2011, 07:26 PM

nabuhayan nga ako ng loob, sa totoo lang :)

NOW is the time for the Philippine government to ACT. We've already given the Chinese Communists a foothold on the Spratly issue by "allowing" them to put temporary "bases" if you will on the islands. Coupled with the Philippine government's INABILITY to prevent it because of the POOR military armament! I know it was a BIG mistake for the Philippine Congress when they did not ratify the stay of the US military bases in Subic and have them leave prematurely from the Philippines. But that's a thing of the past. The thing is -- the Philippines cannot let the Chi-Coms go any further because their plan is to claim the whole Spratly islands as their main argument because the result of that is they can claim ALL of the South China Sea and have complete control of it. THAT IS ALL THERE IS TO IT. DO THESE CHINESE COMMUNISTS THINK WE ARE ALL THAT STUPID??? It's very obvious and is clear as crystal.

And then what are they're going to do next? Make an argument that the Philippines was once upon a time according to the recent discovery of "Chinese ancient artifacts" that the Philippine islands were once a province of China? We don't have to look any further with what they did to Tibet.

The Philippine government should also consider leasing a squadron of F16's from the US if they can be cheaper to do that. This is BADLY NEEDED by the Philippine Air Force!

And in addition to that - the Philippines Military should start, if they haven't, doing research and development of the missile technology - right there in the Philippines, and acquire exchange of technology from the US military if they can do that. The Southeast Asian countries are in real danger nowadays with the advancement of the Communist Chinese weaponry. No matter how these Chi-Coms deny that they are meant for peaceful and defense purposes, at least they cannot fool all people!

Simple Dude

January 23rd, 2011, 07:59 PM

^^ @waraywaray architect: what you are saying might be true,... but no one is really sure about it,... who knows, one day we see the fall of Manila and our country are already dying... kinda Bizarre though but it may happen anytime, they may attack us by surprise hehe ok, lets give them a chance to attack,... if their really a good friend then they wont do anything but if they really have it in their minds then it is when we will all know what they really want,... and i also agree we badly need an air force but i dont prefer leasing it, we buy instead,... through time we have to strengthen our Naval force since that our country is surrounded by water,... at this time around we need US military bases but i also want them out if possible... if we really want them out then the government must make sure that they are improving our defensive capabilities,... and its better safe than sorry....

Simple Dude

January 23rd, 2011, 08:11 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/USCGC_Hamilton_%28WHEC-715%29.jpg

^^ Hamilton class

(i think this is it, im not that sure :))

it just actually looks almost the same with the Rajah Humabon but this is more better, larger and with a helicopter flight deck hehe,... i think its better for them to buy an helicopter which is suitable for this like a Eurocopter AS565 Panther,... kahit isa lang muna :okay:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/IAF-AS-565.jpg

Arvor

January 23rd, 2011, 09:50 PM

The US coast guard has upgraded its fleet with a new cutter class so it is definetely likely that a few of those hamilton class ships would become available, it is definetely larger more advanced and powerful than anything else in our current fleet inventory it is about the same size as some of the larger South Korean and Japanese coast guard or OPV's ... .

I hope that if transfered they manage to keep the advanced systems and weapons like the phalanx guns, these ships could be further modified by adding at least a few manpads anti tank and aircraft missiles like the mistral, and perhaps something heavier like 2 to 4 exocet or RBS15 missiles amidships .

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Anyway there are lots of ships being retired in other navies so it wouldn't be hard to find one even if these talks on the hamilton class do not materialize, but obviously i hope it does and i think that there is a good chance that the US would sell us one due to the Coast Guards new cutter fleet and well our major non nato ally designation and the US perception of the China threat in the region .

For our entire military as a whole this would mean a real step up in capabilities .

hokage

January 23rd, 2011, 10:23 PM

Good move. I guess the Chief of the Armed Forces PNoy should concentrate on developing a large and formidable naval force to reallt secure this sea-locked archipelago. We need more than just one navy fleet to effectively guard our maritime country.

As in common sense, "if you are a maritime country, go for a Navy. A landlocked country should expand it's ground troops and capabilities." This will be a win-win move for the Philippines.

Imagine how a large Navy boosted the power of Athens back then. :)

^^
Haha... All the commies had to do is bribe the congressmen and senators billions and they would have sold the whole country out. Maybe some would settle for just a condo in HK...or Macao...No need to fire a bullet. They could just annex the country since the whole country is controlled by Chinese businessmen (SM, PAL...)

gmaer

January 24th, 2011, 03:06 AM

how? just because it is newer? just because neighbor Indonesia considered it? just because it is not yet given as excess defense article? i beg to differ

in military parlance, "newer" doesn't automatically translate to "better"

it may be new, it may be fast, it may act and look like a fighter jet, it may have been used and praised by many AF's around the world, but if it can't carry more ordnance payload and can't be as slow as the OV-10, then it does not give us a tactical advantage in our COIN ops

Correct! :cheers:

not really much better than our Ov-10s, but what gave the Super tucano an edge over the Ov-10s are the modern avionics and availability of parts, if we disregard those factors OV-10 beat Super Tucano any day for COIN ops.

The multi-million dollar precision guided weapons project that was given by the United States includes upgrading the avionics of the OV-10 to like this one...

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q30/AceZecks/untitled-2.jpg

http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=10390

^^ ok hehe :okay: yeah, through performance i shall agree that OV-10s are better than Super Tocano's through experience in battle but not really that much . and it may also depend on the pilot's,... i prefer more on Super Tocano as a "replacement" of OV-10's,... look at the Broncos which Thailand is donating to us,... its already a "Museum Piece"... and yes, i know newer doesn't automatically translate to better, but do they still produce OV-10's? anyway, the main issue here is the replacement of OV-10s,... not a comparison among two aircrafts hehe :)

Marsh Aviation was contracted by the Philippine Air Force to upgrade, maintain, and supply (with spare parts) their OV-10s. Boeing will also be introducing the newest version of the OV-10 dubbed the Super Bronco...

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9009/broncox.jpg

and speaking of COIN operation, we need those planes like OV-10's for surveillance and also for light attack... and it has an advantage being slow,... but for me in terms of COIN operation through air, we need more on helicopters... transport and attack helicopters like Uh-1's, blackhawk(if possible) or etc... and AH-1's,... :cheers:

An OV-10 can carry more bombs than a helicopter.

gmaer

January 24th, 2011, 03:13 AM

Good news indeed, but i don't agree with them to retire the venerable BRP- Rajah Humabon, not yet, he served our nation very well, and I hope we continue to use him to patrol our shores.

They can use the BRP Rajah Humabon as a training ship.

gmaer

January 24th, 2011, 03:23 AM

Hu says China doesn’t want to dominate (http://www.centrepointnews.com/?p=11098)
January 20, 2011 · Posted in News

By BBC

Chinese President Hu Jintao has said China has no interest in pursuing an arms race or exerting military dominance over other nations.

“We do not engage in arms races or pose a military threat to any country,” the Chinese leader said in a speech to US business leaders.

Mr Hu called for US co-operation on economic and security issues.

On the third day of his US state visit, Mr Hu met leading US politicians and was quizzed on a number of issues.

“China will never seek hegemony or pursue an expansionist policy,” Mr Hu said during a speech at a lunch with senior US officials and business leaders from firms like General Electric, Coca-cola and Boeing.

“We will remain committed to the path of peaceful development.”

For the rest of the story…

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12246161

So no need to panic and rush the modernization for external defense!

kalbongdad

January 24th, 2011, 05:27 AM

oi ang ph daw ay bibili ng ukay ukay na coast guard cutter sa tate.....sabi ko na......yung preference for u.s. made weaponry.....eto na naman tayo....balik sa dati....ukay ukay ulit.....:ohno:

Arvor

January 24th, 2011, 05:48 AM

So no need to panic and rush the modernization for external defense!

“China will never seek hegemony or pursue an expansionist policy,”

Lol of course they are not !, this is how their philosophy goes since they consider "Tibet" part of China they do not consider it an act of foreign expansionism, likewise since they consider the Spratleys and the whole south China sea as a part of China they would not be engaged in any act of "external expansionism since its part of China", in China's eyes the Phillippines is commiting an act of agression and expansionism against them since we are claiming all or part of the "Chinese owned" Spratley islands ... .

All they need to do now is designate Palawan and Luzon as a historical part of China if they then invade us it would merely be considered an "internal Chinese issue" since its part of China just like Taiwan ... .

yung preference for u.s. made weaponry.....eto na naman tayo....balik sa dati....ukay ukay ulit.....

"ukay ukay" normally means shabby but in this case were mainly talking about a ships hull and hopefully some of its existing radars and even a Phalanx gun, it can't be considered shabby as that ship hull and its weapons and systems would be more seaworthy and capable than anything in our entire fleet .

Imo it's a good start we can't leapfrog from what is little more than a ww2 type level of sophistication to an advanced aegis type destroyer fleet overnight anyway, it would be good to move up the technological ladder on a step by step basis learning how to run, man and maintain such a ship before going up to something more complicated and expensive .

gaLj

January 24th, 2011, 05:54 AM

kalbongdad

January 24th, 2011, 07:42 AM

:lol:Maybe they're offering those cutters at a dirt cheap price :lol:

what's with us pinoys.....mahilig tayo sa pinaglumaan ng iba.....tingnan mo pati presidente natin....bumili ng 3rd hand na poorsya...:lol: no wonder na pati sa ibaba ganun ang pagiisip ang bumili ng mga pinaglumaan ng iba...ang navy bibili ng ukay ukay na coast guard cutter ng kano....ang airforce ganun din.....what happened to our pride as a pipol......may pera naman si pnoy....hindi naman nya siguro ninakaw yun....bakit hindi bumili ng brand new.....malamang yun ang rason bakit inaayawan sya ng mga babae.....baka boxer....kuripot i mean....mayaman na kuripot......:lol: you know how women are....bilmoko dis bilmoko dat....:lol:

pi_malejana

January 24th, 2011, 07:45 AM

^^ anu bang barko ang mai-suggest mo??:D magandang step yan, parang training kumbaga, hehe.. tutal bibili rin naman tayo ng MRV, yun ang brand new sa pagka-kaalam ko..

Arvor

January 24th, 2011, 08:01 AM

Maybe they're offering those cutters at a dirt cheap price

Well according to the article

The Philippine Navy on Sunday said it was in talks with the United States government to buy a second hand coastguard cutter to upgrade its ageing fleet.

Pama said he could not disclose exact figures for the purchase, which he described as the first of several being planned.

This tells me that it is unsolicited by the US so this isnt the US calling us to tell us that they would give us some old hueys, another thing is the unwillingness to discuss the price which if it were just cheap handmedowns would probably be made public since it wouldnt cost much .

I really therefor doubt that the US coast guard would hand over an active and serving vessel for a "dirt cheap price" which is why i dont think that this can be termed "ukay ukay" since it will neither be dirt cheap nor a derelict .

kalbongdad

January 24th, 2011, 11:17 AM

Well according to the article

This tells me that it is unsolicited by the US so this isnt the US calling us to tell us that they would give us some old hueys, another thing is the unwillingness to discuss the price which if it were just cheap handmedowns would probably be made public since it wouldnt cost much .

I really therefor doubt that the US coast guard would hand over an active and serving vessel for a "dirt cheap price" which is why i dont think that this can be termed "ukay ukay" since it will neither be dirt cheap nor a derelict .

precisely it is these people who gets their high from ukay-ukay....tipidin mo na ang iba....wag lang yung pang depensa mo.....dahil kung yung pang depensa mo ang bumagsak....yung ginasta mo sa iba wala rin yan kapupuntahan......don't they know which is important....konti na nga pera ibibili mo pa ng hindi magandang klase....it hurts our psyche as a people....hindi ba pwedeng mag ambisyon naman tayo ng brand new.....kahit yung mga bansa na mas mahirap pa sa atin nakakabili ng bago....it is definitely in how our policy makers think....mukhang nabalda na mga utak ng mga ito....

Arvor

January 24th, 2011, 11:31 AM

yung mga bansa na mas mahirap pa sa atin nakakabili ng bago

Personally wala akong alam na bansa na mas mahirap na naka bili ng bagong vessel in this class, they usually buy second hand and they usually are unable to operate those vessels that might be better than this due to the cost of running it .

konti na nga pera ibibili mo pa ng hindi magandang klase

I think na wala tayong mabibili na bago at state of the art vessel of this size and capability with our budget lol, para sa akin this ship is still in service with the US coast guard hindi ito nasa mothball or reserve fleet or anything like that, if it is still good for the current service of the US coast guard i think that it is still good enough for our services aswell, for me its better than nothing given what we have .

I agree with you that alot of our equipment is ukay ukay and that ideally we should ultimately have brand new ships pero alot of our neighbours with much larger budgets can barely afford ships of this size, in my opinion we should take advantage of this possibility if we can and bear in mind na alot of wealthier and stronger countries still also buy second hand ships, India, China, Belgium, Brazil, Greece, Turkey most of our neighbours like Taiwan ... .

In the end of the day its the politicians that are unwilling it seems to raise the budget while this purchase seem to be the initiative of the navy and i think that they are doing the best they can with what they have despite these politicians, anyway i dont think all the ships that they are thinking of acquiring will be second hand .

Alinghi

January 24th, 2011, 11:39 AM

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/pinoylumix/USCG_National_Security_Cutter_BERTHOLF_WMSL-750.jpg

ito yung papalit sa mga Hamilton-class cutters ng US Coast Guard

in 30 to 40 years, ito na naman ang mamanahin natin :bash:

Simple Dude

January 24th, 2011, 11:43 AM

precisely it is these people who gets their high from ukay-ukay....tipidin mo na ang iba....wag lang yung pang depensa mo.....dahil kung yung pang depensa mo ang bumagsak....yung ginasta mo sa iba wala rin yan kapupuntahan......don't they know which is important....konti na nga pera ibibili mo pa ng hindi magandang klase....it hurts our psyche as a people....hindi ba pwedeng mag ambisyon naman tayo ng brand new.....kahit yung mga bansa na mas mahirap pa sa atin nakakabili ng bago....it is definitely in how our policy makers think....mukhang nabalda na mga utak ng mga ito....

^^ yeah, good point :okay: as much as possible sana bagong mga kagamitan bilhin natin, although 2nd hands are also good for now,... yah, may mga bansa na mas mahirap pa kesa sa'tin pero nakakabili sila ng mas magagandang kagamitan,... like Vietnam, wala silang mga infrastructures like MRT or LRT, most people there use only motor cycle for transportation and economy highly based on agriculture,... but we cant compare our military power from them coz most of their weapons are still Vietnam wars era and most of them are just an aid from the Soviet union,...

Arvor

January 24th, 2011, 11:51 AM

ito yung papalit sa mga Hamilton-class cutters ng US Coast Guard in 30 to 40 years, ito na naman ang mamanahin natin

Yes but this is the result of the Americans going insane and becoming rather paranoid after 9/11 aswell as part of the usual "pork barrel" politics meaning spending money to sustain jobs and whatnot in the defence industry, the current fleet of Hamilton class ships are still current and good enough for their role but they simply wanted to build "larger and more powerfull" ships for their paranoid homeland security, the us army gets money the navy wants money too the us marines too will ask for money for their own pet projects and this is the US coast guards pet project "National Security Cutter" .

Frankly its insane and overkill no other countries are thinking of building their coast guard opv's to those specifications, so for me the Hamilton class is still good if they are willing to replace it with these ships then we should take advantage of their insanity before they come to their senses ... .

Simple Dude

January 24th, 2011, 11:53 AM

Marsh Aviation was contracted by the Philippine Air Force to upgrade, maintain, and supply (with spare parts) their OV-10s. Boeing will also be introducing the newest version of the OV-10 dubbed the Super Bronco...

^^ oh, its nice to know though about that but they are already planning to look for a replacement of this OV-10's,... or maybe they will be planning to buy the new version of the OV-10,...

An OV-10 can carry more bombs than a helicopter.

^^ exactly but we really need more helicopters than OV-10s,.... mas maraming role magagawa ng choppers kesa sa OV-10s like transportation,... and also UH-1 can escort ground troops in patrolling,transporting supplies and relief goods... AH-1 can also do its role,... OV-10 for me is good for ground support and may also be a bomber,...

Simple Dude

January 24th, 2011, 11:57 AM

^^ anu bang barko ang mai-suggest mo??:D magandang step yan, parang training kumbaga, hehe.. tutal bibili rin naman tayo ng MRV, yun ang brand new sa pagka-kaalam ko..

^^ 2 MRV's diba bibilhin nila? tsaka isa pang Hamilton class vessel,... hmmm anong klaseng barko kaya yun... sana lagyan nila ng missile systems yung Hamilton ship,.... kelan kaya delivery nang dalawang MRV's na yun??

Arvor

January 24th, 2011, 12:26 PM

http://www.buzzen.com/files/pictures/img_169513_1_106.jpg
USCG Rush based in Hawaii ( Hamilton class cutter )

Its displacement is 3200 tonnes vs 1600 tonnes of the BRP Raja Humabon .

Simple Dude

January 24th, 2011, 12:39 PM

wow,... sana magkaroon na tayo nito in 2011-1016 hehe :okay:

http://philippinenavy.tripod.com/navy5_files/ff21.jpg
The FF-21 Frigate is one of the ships being offered for sale to the Philippine Navy. It comes in several lengths including 85 meter, 125 meter and 150 meter versions.

For the years 2000 to 2010, plans include purchases of thirty-three(33) more missile patrol craft(FACs), nine more OPVs, two(2) more MCMVs, four(4)more SARs, four(4) Amphibious Transport ships, four(4) more guided missile corvettes, and three(3) guided missile frigates.

The ship purchases are made possible even though the budget is small because most of the ships will be built in the Philippines using domestic navy shipyards and low cost labor (including naval personnel), along with technology transfers.
NOTE:This Information came from open unclassified public access sources, and is also available at the www page of the "International Naval Studies Group(INSG)".

http://philippinenavy.tripod.com/navy5.html

jeffincebu

January 24th, 2011, 01:44 PM

Just sharing a totally amateur point of view made yesterday (no problem about it).

I compared the defense capital here to major superpowers, and I put it as a proportion of GDP, to see what it reveals. As most part of them need a continental defense, I changed the proportions (-33% for ground forced and +33% for navy forces) to adapt it to Philippines.
So don't take it too seriously, but just let's observe it by curiosity ^^

To compare simply, because it's not a serious thing, I divized the comparison in 3 parts : ground forces, air forces, navy.

Ground forces : I divized their capital simply in four parts.
- Tanks : with around a hundred tanks, as a proportion of wealth, the country is advanced to its time (never forget that I talk as a proportion of wealth).
- tracked vehicles : with 630 claimed units, the country have a great advance as a proportion of its wealth
- wheeled vehicles : the country have as many wheeled vehicles as superpowers.
- artillery vehicles and heavy artillery weapons : the country claim a total of 120 units. Here also the country is advanced compare to the wealth.
So globally as a proportion of its wealth, the country is advanced about its ground forced. The only thing to do is almost only to renew some old units.

Air forces : Here also I divized into four categories :
- helicopters : 144 claimed units. And moreover mostly not too old. It is also a big number compare to the wealth of the Philippines, so it's satisfying.
- old planes or planes without heavy artillery : 83 claimed, it is in advance compare to the wealth. But a part of it is very very old and can be given to museums, so if we do it, we would just have a proportional number. It's also satisying.
- transportation planes : 25 claimed, here also it is in advanced and satisfying.
- fighter planes (such as bomber etc) : only 2 units able to fight in the 21th century technology.
If gound forces don't have weakness, air forces have. Because as a proportion of wealth, superpower with the Philippines wealth would have around 30 fighter planes and not 2. For example, this Indian/Russian fighter is cheaper, and probably that Aquino in his mandate should think to buy some : Su-30MKI.

Last part, the navy : divized in 4 categories to make it simple.
- aircraft carrier : 0 claimed. But it is normal, this kind of engines are expensive. With growth, a day, Philippines will have its unit.
- frigates (all kind) : 1 unit claimed. With a country surrounded by seas and oceans, I was expecting at least a second frigate. But no, so it seems to be a little weakness. Especially when we are near than countries such as Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar or North Korea.
The Shivalik class frigate manufactured in India is a cheap way to catch it up for example. I'm not a fan of India but at least they are cheap contrary to USA/Italy/Israel/France/Korea...
- submarines : 0 claimed. Also for that, I was expecting a submarine. It's another weakness in our defense.
- other miscellaneous vessels : 102 claimed. About it, Philippines is advanced as a proportion of wealth. No problem, it's satisfying ^^.
To sum up, the navy is weak because it seems to lack a frigate and a submarine to fight piratery and protect the soveignety of the nation.

To make it short, observing that, the navy look weak compare to ground forces and that's maybe in what defense investments should go.

"ZukiChirO"

January 24th, 2011, 02:22 PM

Navy soon to get its largest vessel ever

THE Navy is in the process of acquiring a Hamilton class US Coast Guard cutter, a high-endurance ship which will be the Navy’s largest vessel if the acquisition under the Foreign Military Sales of the US Department of Defense pushes through.

Rear Adm. Alexander Pama, Navy chief, did not say at what price the vessel would be acquired. He said details are still being discussed.

Pama said the vessel might be delivered this year.

He said discussions are also ongoing for the acquisition of other US ships.

Navy spokesman Capt. Giovanni Carlo Bacordo said former Navy chief Rear Adm. Danilo Cortez inspected the cutter during a visit to US last November. Cortez retired early this month.

The cutter will be the first in the inventory of the Navy whose modernization program is being delayed by lack of funds.

Pama said the vessel is expected to boost the Navy’s capability, particularly in the conduct of patrol in the high seas and in search and rescue operations during disasters.

Twelve High Endurance Cutters (WHEC) were introduced in the US Coast Guard inventory in the 1960s. The first of the class was the Hamilton (WHEC-715) commissioned in 1967.

According to the US Coast Guard website, the 378-foot WHEC class is the largest of cutters, aside from three major icebreakers, ever built for the US Coast Guard.

These are equipped with a helicopter flight deck, retractable hangar, and facilities to support helicopter deployment.

The largest surface combatant ship of the Navy now is the destroyer escort BRP Rajah Humabon which is 308 feet long. – Victor Reyes

kalbongdad

January 25th, 2011, 12:11 AM

Arvor

January 25th, 2011, 01:57 AM

Well ok our flagship is 70 or so years old and needs to be replaced sooner rather than later, what do you suggest type of ship the navy should get in order to be able to continue or start enforcing our territorial waters ? .

The most modern top of the line destroyers and frigate types available brand new in the world vary in price from half a billion $ a piece to around a billion $ with yearly running costs at around 40 to 60 million $, keep in mind that our entire defence budget is 1,4 billion $ lang .

If we can get one of those Hamilton class ships for 6 or 8 million $ it will be a good price and even if they are 40 years old its much better than 70 imo .

hokage

January 25th, 2011, 02:15 AM

aba dapat pala maglulundag tayo dahil 1967 lang pala ang linsyak....:ohno: magkakagastos ka para gumamit ng barko na 43 years old na? ang design....where is the wisdom in that? anong kahunghangan ito....

^^
Is this the one you want?

[URL="http://http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/littoral/"]http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/littoral

gmaer

January 25th, 2011, 04:13 AM

:lol:

what's with us pinoys.....mahilig tayo sa pinaglumaan ng iba.....tingnan mo pati presidente natin....bumili ng 3rd hand na poorsya...:lol: no wonder na pati sa ibaba ganun ang pagiisip ang bumili ng mga pinaglumaan ng iba...ang navy bibili ng ukay ukay na coast guard cutter ng kano....ang airforce ganun din.....what happened to our pride as a pipol......may pera naman si pnoy....hindi naman nya siguro ninakaw yun....bakit hindi bumili ng brand new.....malamang yun ang rason bakit inaayawan sya ng mga babae.....baka boxer....kuripot i mean....mayaman na kuripot......:lol: you know how women are....bilmoko dis bilmoko dat....:lol:

Brand new is far more expensive than 2nd hand. You can buy more with 2nd hand units. Which would be more effective? 2 2nd hand warships vs. 1 brand new warships of the same type? Or 2 refurbished jet fighters vs. 1 brand new jet fighter of the same version?

^^ exactly but we really need more helicopters than OV-10s,.... mas maraming role magagawa ng choppers kesa sa OV-10s like transportation,... and also UH-1 can escort ground troops in patrolling,transporting supplies and relief goods... AH-1 can also do its role,... OV-10 for me is good for ground support and may also be a bomber,...

You made it sound redundant but the OV-10 is already a bomber used for ground support.

gmaer

January 25th, 2011, 04:15 AM

oi ang ph daw ay bibili ng ukay ukay na coast guard cutter sa tate.....sabi ko na......yung preference for u.s. made weaponry.....eto na naman tayo....balik sa dati....ukay ukay ulit.....:ohno:Maybe they're offering those cutters at a dirt cheap price :lol:

Source: http://www.commondefensequarterly.com/CDQ8/coast_guard.html

If we had not been able to transfer these vessels to other countries, the Coast Guard would have had to pay a combined disposal cost of approximately $30 million. As the Coast Guard continues its ongoing recapitalization program and older cutters are decommissioned, we expect the potential for savings to markedly increase. In 2011, we may decommission our first 378-foot High Endurance Cutter. These cutters will be one of the largest and most complex that the Coast Guard has ever decommissioned, with a potential disposal cost estimated at $9.5 million per ship. We will be able to avoid this cost if we are able to transfer the ship to one of our allies.

gmaer

January 25th, 2011, 04:18 AM

http://www.buzzen.com/files/pictures/img_169513_1_106.jpg
USCG Rush based in Hawaii ( Hamilton class cutter )

Its displacement is 3200 tonnes vs 1600 tonnes of the BRP Raja Humabon .

It looks like a ferry ship with guns and a helipad! :lol:

http://www.mynetbizz.com/pages/philippines/negros-navigation-ship.jpg

Sad to say this new acquisition will be "as is" - it will not be upgraded with guided missiles.

Alinghi

January 25th, 2011, 06:07 AM

we would still have to install Mistral or Exocet systems on them.

i hope the Phalanx system is retained upon transfer though.

Simple Dude

January 25th, 2011, 06:19 AM

^^ wala bang anti-sub na man lang dyan sa Hamilton class vessel na yan??

Alinghi

January 25th, 2011, 06:26 AM

keep in mind that it's just a patrol cutter, not a naval surface combatant

the only thing which makes it look like a navy ship is the Oto Melara and a CWIS.. other than that, it looks like an oversized BRP San Juan.

if we want it to have ASW capabilities, we would have to spend again to install sonars, hydrophones, and acoustic sensors either fixed or towed.. and of course, mine and torpedo weapons systems. and don't forget the FLIR system and other electronic countermeasures

gaLj

January 25th, 2011, 07:09 AM

^^ wala bang anti-sub na man lang dyan sa Hamilton class vessel na yan??

who knows...it might turn out to be a giant patrol boat

gentlemuscleman

January 25th, 2011, 08:18 AM

Arvor

January 25th, 2011, 10:01 AM

It looks like a ferry ship with guns and a helipad!

Sad to say this new acquisition will be "as is" - it will not be upgraded with guided missiles.

Well it will be sufficient for its task of patrolling our waters and sovereignty enforcement, i dont believe that the navy will be able to resist pimping that ship with at the very least a few extra machine guns, a few Javelin or Milan missiles for anti surface and anti aircraft manpads like the mistral would also be cheap and easy to instal at the very least as a means of self defence, in the end of the day that Phalanx gun is one of the most interesting things about that ship for me it would basically be the countries most sophisticated air defence system lol .

Adding larger missiles like the rbs15 or exocet shouldnt be too difficult or costly either and there is enough space behind the bow gun for at least 4 of them, it is also handy that the German navy for example is about to replace its exocet missiles with rbs15's so perhaps the Phillippine navy should think of calling the German navy about acquiring some of those exocets ... .

U_Tzw3r3CgE
Mistral missile

Alinghi

January 25th, 2011, 10:25 AM

OPV role if they won't attach missiles.. just like an oversized Peacock-class with a Phalanx and a helipad..

another interesting thing is the gas-turbine engine on board.. is this the first time we had gas turbine-powered ships of this size?

i do hope the CIWS radar won't bug down though, 'cause Phalanx spares are very expensive.

Simple Dude

January 25th, 2011, 10:25 AM

kalbongdad

January 25th, 2011, 10:59 AM

^^ they didn't install Missile systems on it coz it was just used by the US coast guard in the 1st place and not the US Navy,... if ever they turn it over to the Phil. Navy,... i hope that our Navy would add some missile systems on it to increase its capabilities,...

i also dont recommend the PN to retire the Rajah Humabon yet after they acquire the Hamilton cutter,... coz anyway we can still use it,...

too late decommisioned na ang Rajah Humabon.....kaya nga precisely bibili ka wla rin naman firepower....yung ibili mo dun......ibili mo na lang ng maraming maliliit na mabilis na crafts at lagyan ng missile capabilities......we do not need big ships hindi naman tayo tatawid dagat para makidigma....hintayin natin sila na pumasok sa ating teritoryo at banatan.....di ba?

kalbongdad

January 25th, 2011, 11:02 AM

Well it will be sufficient for its task of patrolling our waters and sovereignty enforcement, i dont believe that the navy will be able to resist pimping that ship with at the very least a few extra machine guns, a few Javelin or Milan missiles for anti surface and anti aircraft manpads like the mistral would also be cheap and easy to instal at the very least as a means of self defence, in the end of the day that Phalanx gun is one of the most interesting things about that ship for me it would basically be the countries most sophisticated air defence system lol .

Adding larger missiles like the rbs15 or exocet shouldnt be too difficult or costly either and there is enough space behind the bow gun for at least 4 of them, it is also handy that the German navy for example is about to replace its exocet missiles with rbs15's so perhaps the Phillippine navy should think of calling the German navy about acquiring some of those exocets ... .

U_Tzw3r3CgE
Mistral missile

yan may sense na suggestion.....maliit na missile na kaya ng mga patrol boats natin......hindi natin kailangan ng malaki na mabagal dahil ang technology ngayon.....sitting duck ang mangyayari dun....

Alinghi

January 25th, 2011, 11:15 AM

too late decommisioned na ang Rajah Humabon.....kaya nga precisely bibili ka wla rin naman firepower....yung ibili mo dun......ibili mo na lang ng maraming maliliit na mabilis na crafts at lagyan ng missile capabilities......we do not need big ships hindi naman tayo tatawid dagat para makidigma....hintayin natin sila na pumasok sa ating teritoryo at banatan.....di ba?

i somehow agree.. but we also need at least one or two capital ships to serve as flagship/command ship and for foreign blue-water visits.. sama mo na din yung sense of pride and boost of morale na binibigay nun sa mga sailors.

our neighbors are concentrating sa mga missile corvettes or even 200-footers na may anti-air/anti-sub/anti-ship capabilities.. it's cheaper than destroyers and frigates but with the same punch

Simple Dude

January 25th, 2011, 12:02 PM

Navy Future Acquisitions

The Philippine Navy, together with the entire armed forces as a whole, is embarking on a modernization and upgrade program under the Capability Upgrade Program (CUP). This is in line with the Philippine Navy Strategic Sail Plan 2020.
Hamilton Class Vessel (Ocean Going Escort Vessel)

The Philippine Navy announced the intention to purchase a ex-US Coast Guard Hamilton Class vessel, without releasing exact figures but saying this is the first of several being planned. The Philippine Navy expects its arrival in the first half of 2011.

Multi-purpose Attack Crafts (MPAC)

The Philippine Navy received three (3) Philippine-designed, Taiwanese-built Multi-purpose Attack Crafts (MPAC), which is similar to the Swedish Combat Boat 90. These were presented during the 111th Navy Anniversary last May 2009.

The boats are around 15 meters in length and are equipped with water jet system. It has a maximum speed of 40 knots (74 km/h) and could reach around 300 nautical miles (560 km) while traveling on a transit speed of 30 knots (56 km/h). It is made of welded aluminum and can carry 16 fully-equipped soldiers and 4 crew members or a payload of 2 tons. The ships are armed with one 50-caliber machine gun and two 7.62mm machine guns.

At least 9 more units are reportedly being expected for delivery in the near future, with the bidding for the 2nd lot of 3 units already done.

Additional Patrol Killer Medium

The Philippine Navy recently commissioned an upgraded Patrol Killer Medium (PKM) patrol craft previously transferred from South Korea. BRP Emilio Liwanag (PG-118) was presented during the 112th Navy Anniversary rites.

Amphibious Transport Dock (Multi-role Vessel)

The Department of Defense is reportedly rushing the acquisition of one or two multi-role vessels for the Philippine Navy through government-to-government contract at a cost of 5 to 10 billion pesos. Initially the reported source of the said ships are either South Korea or Singapore.Previous statements and news reports point out that the Multi-role Vessels are comparable to Landing Platform Docks operated by foreign navies like the Singaporean Endurance Class or the Spanish Galicia Class.It was confirmed later on that the ship would be from South Korea and is a variant of the Indonesian Navy (TNI-AL) Makassar class LPD, and is packaged with four (4) units Samsung Techwin KAAV-7 Amphibious Assault Vehicles (AAV), two (2) units Landing Craft Utility LCU-23M, four (4) units 9.8 meter Rigid-Hull Inflatable Boats, one (1) unit truck-based Mobile Hospital, two (2) units Kia KM-250 2 1/2 ton troop trucks, two (2) units Kia KM-450 1 1/4 ton troop trucks, two (2) units Kia KM-450 Ambulance, two (2) units Kia Retona 1/4 ton utility vehicles, and one (1) unit forklift/cargo handling equipment.

Landing Craft Utility (LCU)

The construction of one (1) unit of Landing Craft Utility (LCU) was awarded on March 2010 and is expected to enter service by 2011.

Offshore Patrol Vessel

Media reports of the Philippine Navy's plan to purchase three (3) Offshore Patrol Vessels was made, although there were no details available regarding their specifications.

Strategic Sealift Vessel

A proposal to acquire a Strategic Sealift Vessel, which is a converted Ro-Ro (Roll On - Roll Off) vessel from Japan was recommended by the Center of Naval Leadership & Excellence as of 2009. Purchase and technical assistance will be provided by the DBP Maritime Leasing Corporation Inc. (DMLC).

Anti-Submarine Corvettes

It was reported that the Philippine Navy is in the market for four (4) anti-submarine corvettes, each weighing at around 2,000 tonnes.

^^
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Navy

kalbongdad

January 25th, 2011, 12:41 PM

i somehow agree.. but we also need at least one or two capital ships to serve as flagship/command ship and for foreign blue-water visits.. sama mo na din yung sense of pride and boost of morale na binibigay nun sa mga sailors.

our neighbors are concentrating sa mga missile corvettes or even 200-footers na may anti-air/anti-sub/anti-ship capabilities.. it's cheaper than destroyers and frigates but with the same punch

i see your point....ok na rin......yung pride importante yun.....yung bragging rights....:)

Simple Dude

January 25th, 2011, 05:46 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/GuentherZ_2006-08_12_0891_Jagdpanzer_Kuerassier_OeBH.jpg

^^ SK-105 Kürassier

country of origin: Austria

Type: Tank Destroyer, light Tank

Weight 17.7 tonnes
Length 5.58 m (7.76 m w/ main gun)
Width 2.5 m
Height 2.88 m
Crew 3

Armor 40mm (maximum) 8mm (base)
Primary weapon 105 mm rifled gun
Secondary
weapon 7.62 mm co-axial
Engine Steyr 7FA / 6 cylinder
238kW diesel engine
320 hp (238 kW)
Suspension torsion bar, 5 road wheels
Operational
range 500 km
Speed 70 km/h

Arvor

January 26th, 2011, 12:07 AM

yan may sense na suggestion.....maliit na missile na kaya ng mga patrol boats natin......hindi natin kailangan ng malaki na mabagal dahil ang technology ngayon.....sitting duck ang mangyayari dun....

Yes its easy to install manpads systems on any type of vessel even small craft .

Ng problem ng small boats however is endurance hindi nila kaya mag stay sa open sea for a long time and that is the job of an opv, kailangan din natin ng ships that kan stay out at sea even in rough weather for a long time and this Hamilton class ship has an endurance of 14000 nautical miles or 45 days at sea it is purpose built for long patrols .

Our territorial waters and eez exclusive economic zone is not just a few meters away from our coastline or just our internal waters, aside from the south china sea meron pa din tayong waters in the Phillippine sea on the Pacific and its a big and often rough sea na hindi kaya ng small craft, so we need to be able to also control who is fishing in our waters even in the deeper parts .

Aside from illegal fishing and piracy or deep sea search and rescue we also need to guard against vessels from neighbouring countries illegally "dumping toxic or nuclear waste" in the deeper parts of our waters where no one can see them, we simply dont know what other people are doing in the outer edges of our waters and eez .

Arvor

January 26th, 2011, 12:26 AM

our neighbors are concentrating sa mga missile corvettes or even 200-footers na may anti-air/anti-sub/anti-ship capabilities.. it's cheaper than destroyers and frigates but with the same punch

http://www.buzzen.com/files/pictures/img_169513_1_107.jpg

Thing to remember is that some of neighbours in asean like Thailand, Singapore or Malaysia do not really have large territorial waters and do not border any really large and or deep bodies of water or have national interests that are located far from shore, our situation is more similar to Japan than some of our asean neighbours so we will always need larger vessels with long endurance capabilities .

Obviously the fleet has to be a mix of vessel types fit for their purpose .

kalbongdad

January 26th, 2011, 01:50 AM

buy if we must but please.....yung bago naman....at yung may firepower....hindi lang basta....coast guard cutter......baka papel lang ang kayang i cut nun o di kaya nails....o hair kaya...:lol:

spearhead

January 26th, 2011, 02:19 AM

Simple Dude

January 26th, 2011, 02:50 AM

^^
That first video parang pinoy yung nagbibilang hahahaha....

Wag kayo masyadong umasa sa planned acquisition nayan, mabuti sana kung merong ASW, SS, and SAM weapons system available yung hamilton class warship nayan. Tsaka dilikado, kung walang blessing ng ni Pres Noynoy yan, wala na mageend up yan like what happened to cobra gunships.

haha Greek people sounds like that...

anyway, under a new administration we still don't know whether the pres. has a diff. or same system of modernizing our Military as he promised last june 2010. that cutter as what i posted, doesn't really have missile systems coz it came from the United States Coast guard. CG's are not Navies, their role is just like a policemen in the sea's,... The Coast Guard has roles in maritime homeland security, maritime law enforcement, search and rescue, marine environmental protection , and the maintenance of river, intracoastal and offshore aids to navigation... also to take down smugglers... but at times of war they could also help... Naval ships are different from Coast Guards, that's why since that our Navy is the one buying it, i hope they would install missile systems and other necessary armaments on it to make it look like a navy ship and also it will be our flagship... :)

Alinghi

January 26th, 2011, 03:13 AM

buy if we must but please.....yung bago naman....at yung may firepower....hindi lang basta....coast guard cutter......baka papel lang ang kayang i cut nun o di kaya nails....o hair kaya...:lol:

Wag kayo masyadong umasa sa planned acquisition nayan, mabuti sana kung merong ASW, SS, and SAM weapons system available yung hamilton class warship nayan. Tsaka dilikado, kung walang blessing ng ni Pres Noynoy yan, wala na mageend up yan like what happened to cobra gunships.

bibili na nga lang, eh dapat i todo na.. wag yung tipong pinaglumaan tapos gagastos pa tayo ng pera para lang i modernize :ohno:

para ka lang bumili ng sirang tv sa junkshop, tapos gagastos ka pa ng ilang libo para ayusin, eh dapat bumili ka nalang ng brandnew :bash:

spearhead

January 26th, 2011, 03:20 AM

^^

haha Greek people sounds like that...

anyway, under a new administration we still don't know whether the pres. has a diff. or same system of modernizing our Military as he promised last june 2010. that cutter as what i posted, doesn't really have missile systems coz it came from the United States Coast guard. CG's are not Navies, their role is just like a policemen in the sea's,... The Coast Guard has roles in maritime homeland security, maritime law enforcement, search and rescue, marine environmental protection , and the maintenance of river, intracoastal and offshore aids to navigation... also to take down smugglers... but at times of war they could also help... Naval ships are different from Coast Guards, that's why since that our Navy is the one buying it, i hope they would install missile systems and other necessary armaments on it to make it look like a navy ship and also it will be our flagship... :)

Dude no need to educate me about the difference between the 2.

Like what i said from the other thread, this warship is inferior for the navy. Best yet send it to phil. coast guard. PN doesnt need to babysit another warship that is not really designed for external military parade. The idea of installing some missile system on it and actually armed it is as good as a daydreaming filipino. But then let's give this administration a chance and we'll see if it will not gonna end up like what happened to the cobra gunships.

BTW, watch this "Los Angeles" movie trailer video, and focus your eyes from @40 sec mark:

M_pAsPPDdC8

Oh uh, no more hamilton class! :lol:

Joking aside hehe.......

spearhead

January 26th, 2011, 03:39 AM

bibili na nga lang, eh dapat i todo na.. wag yung tipong pinaglumaan tapos gagastos pa tayo ng pera para lang i modernize :ohno:

para ka lang bumili ng sirang tv sa junkshop, tapos gagastos ka pa ng ilang libo para ayusin, eh dapat bumili ka nalang ng brandnew :bash:

Ang gobyerno kasi ng pilipinas ay may pagkagago talaga eh, hindi mo minsan maintindihan kung ano talaga gusto nilang gawin sa future ng military natin, and in this case, in the phil navy. Palibhasa, RP government has already been infiltrated by communist minded people, and they are actually holding some very important government seats that can manipulate and influence the decision making in the military.

Tangina, bibili sila ng warship na di naman designed for external defense....? Like what you said, makabili lang sila ng luma para may maisabi lang na meron tayong 300ft warship pero inferior naman at kelangan pang gastusan para lang magmukhang astig. Tanong, bakit pa kasi kelangang bumili ng ganong warship na kung meron naman dyan na talagang warships designed for external defense use with such anti-submarine warfare and other anti-ship, anti-aircraft capabilities. Ang mgautak nila talaga ay puro short term at pinagaaralan kung pano sila makakanakaw ng pera tapos maghihintay sa next administration at aasa nalang sa kanila na sila nalang magtuloy ng modernization ng AFP. It's a freaking cycle, circus if you wish! :nuts:

pi_malejana

January 26th, 2011, 04:12 AM

para ka lang bumili ng sirang tv sa junkshop, tapos gagastos ka pa ng ilang libo para ayusin, eh dapat bumili ka nalang ng brandnew :bash:

sira na ba ung cutter na bibilihin?? tsaka tinapon na ba ng USCG??
hindi pa naman diba? sa pagkaka-alam ko ginagamit pa nga ung ilan dito...

Arvor

January 26th, 2011, 04:18 AM

Like what i said from the other thread, this warship is inferior for the navy. Best yet send it to phil. coast guard.

Imo you guys shouldnt belittle this ship class too much and give it a chance as they have performed quite well over the years and has capabilities beyond much of what our navy has .

Beginning in the 1980s and ending in 1992, the entire class was modernized through the Fleet Renovation and Modernization (FRAM) program at Todd Shipyard in Seattle. The $55 million per-vessel stem-to-stern overhaul included engineering, habitability, electronics and combat systems upgrades that greatly enhanced the ship's mission performance capabilities. Weapons systems and communications capabilities were upgraded and many portions of the cutter were remodeled. The most visible were the the sleeker, quicker 76mm Oto Melara gun which replaced the old 5" gun, the CIWS mount and the new retractable helicopter hanger.

The High Endurance class cutters were designed for a variety of missions, including long range search and rescue (SAR), oceanographic research, law enforcement and defense operations. Before the arrival of satellites, the Coast Guard cutters provided ships and aircraft's with navigational and meteorological information. These Coast Guard cutters were assigned to ten mile-by-ten mile patrol areas called ocean stations. The ocean stations provided immediate information and were the vital link for trans-oceanic crossings.

The foremost mission is the Coast Guard's historic tradition of protecting the safety of life and property at sea. With a flight deck capable of landing a Coast Guard HH-65 Dolphin or HH-60 Jayhawk helicopters, a state of the art communications and sensor suite and extended endurance, the WHEC cutter is a floating command center capable of coordinating ships and aircraft for search and rescue or responding to natural and environmental accidents and disasters.

Another mission of the High Endurance cutters is that of maritime law enforcement. Most often, boarding teams from Munro are on the front line protecting the stocks of living marine resources found in Alaska fishing grounds. But the law enforcement role also includes reducing the flow of illicit drugs and other contraband into the United States, interdicting illegal migrants and checking mariner compliance with vessel safety regulations. This includes Alaskan fishery patrols, enforcing international and domestic fishing requirements. The cutters patrol the Gulf of Alaska and Bering Sea, the Eastern Pacific down to South America. In 1977, the United States adopted a 200-mile Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) in response to growing concern over the marine resource depletion. This gave the Coast Guard a much increased area to patrol, especially off the tremendous Western coast line in the rich waters of the North Pacific and the Bearing Sea.

Defense Readiness is the third primary mission. High Endurance class cutters of Coast Guard Squadron Three served in Vietnam. Tasking during the confilict was primarily in support of Operation Market Time, which involved sorting through the hundreds of small vessels of the Vietnamese coast in serach of enemy weapons smugglers. Periodic training with the Navy and participation in joint exercises compliments continuous onboard efforts to ensure that crew, weapons and sensors are ready to function effectiviely in support of national security goals. These unique capabilities make the cutter an ideal platform for low intensity conflicts, coastal surveillance missions and port security roles. The cutters on the West Coast are often the only regular military presence in the Bearing Sea and the Gulf of Alaska.

The Hamilton-class is a 378 feet long cutter with a displacement of 3250 tons. The cutters are powered by two Fairbanks-Morse diesel engines, which deliver a total of 7000 horsepower. When speed is necessary, the cutter uses two Pratt-Whitney gas turbine engines, which deliver a total of 36000 horsepower. The economy of the diesel engines enable the cutter to engage in extended law enforcement patrols with a cruising range of 14400 miles at 12 knots. With both gas turbines on line a total of 36,000 horsepower is available and can propel the ship to speeds up to 29 knots. Gas turbine engines provide speeds which allow the cutter to respond quickly to a search and rescue call or law enforcement operations. With two controllable pitch screws and a bow propulsion unit, the cutter is extremely maneuverable, a significant advantage in close quarters conning situations.

The cutters are equipped with modern weapons systems. A MK-75, 76mm gun mount, controlled by the MK 92 Fire Control System, is located on the bow. The 76mm is capable of firing 80 rounds per minute. On the stern, a MK15, 20mm CIWS (Close-In Weapons System) mount is ready to take aim against air targets which threaten the ship. The CIWS is capable of firing approximately 3500 rounds per minute. Defense of close in targets is provided by batteries of 25mm chain guns and .50 caliber machine guns. The two MK38, 25mm chain guns are located on the port and starboard side of the ship, just aft of the small boats. MELLON was the first and only ship in the Coast Guard to fire the Harpoon missile. That system has since been removed due to fiscal constraints.

These vessels are equipped with advanced Navy equipment such as the Command Display and Control system, which collects, and displays data on ten display screens to monitor subjects being tracked, maneuver, avoid collisions, create search and rescue patterns and locate individuals in the water. This system is also used for navigation, piloting and internal communications.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/USCGC_Mellon_WHEC-717.jpg/300px-USCGC_Mellon_WHEC-717.jpg
USCG Mellon of the Hamilton class seen when it still had harpoons behind the main gun .

http://www.uscg.mil/pacarea/cgcmellon/img/mellon_harpoon.jpg
USCG Mellon firing a harpoon missile .

As you can read and see above they can be equipped with harpoon or other missile systems, in fact the space behind the bow guns was where the harpoons were once located and 5 ships of the hamilton class were fitted with those missiles, the only reason why this ship class was deliberetely disarmed of its missiles was because the uscg had budget issues and because it simply wasnt necessary for their role with the uscg, this ship class with minor differences in appearance could just as easily been used by the US navy .

What is important is that it already has advanced systems it is truelly just a question of complimenting the modern bow gun and the Phalanx gun with a few missiles, the cost of adding missiles like the exocet is not prohibitive and our navy can afford a few exocets, the ship is worth it for the systems and phalanx guns alone like i said this ship would represent a true leap in capabilities compared to what weve got right now even if it wont be "state of the art" compared to an aegis destroyer, it is nonetheless a good first step towards more modernisation .

Alinghi

January 26th, 2011, 07:02 AM

kalbongdad

January 26th, 2011, 01:10 PM

Imo you guys shouldnt belittle this ship class too much and give it a chance as they have performed quite well over the years and has capabilities beyond much of what our navy has .

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/USCGC_Mellon_WHEC-717.jpg/300px-USCGC_Mellon_WHEC-717.jpg
USCG Mellon of the Hamilton class seen when it still had harpoons behind the main gun .

http://www.uscg.mil/pacarea/cgcmellon/img/mellon_harpoon.jpg
USCG Mellon firing a harpoon missile .

As you can read and see above they can be equipped with harpoon or other missile systems, in fact the space behind the bow guns was where the harpoons were once located and 5 ships of the hamilton class were fitted with those missiles, the only reason why this ship class was deliberetely disarmed of its missiles was because the uscg had budget issues and because it simply wasnt necessary for their role with the uscg, this ship class with minor differences in appearance could just as easily been used by the US navy .

What is important is that it already has advanced systems it is truelly just a question of complimenting the modern bow gun and the Phalanx gun with a few missiles, the cost of adding missiles like the exocet is not prohibitive and our navy can afford a few exocets, the ship is worth it for the systems and phalanx guns alone like i said this ship would represent a true leap in capabilities compared to what weve got right now even if it wont be "state of the art" compared to an aegis destroyer, it is nonetheless a good first step towards more modernisation .

the mere fact that the design of the ship is 1967 luma na ang technology nito.....bakit pa natin bibilhin.....may bago ng design ang mga barko ngayon na kahit ilang beses mo tamaan hindi basta lulubog dahil compartmentalized ang pagkakabuo....it's the technology....parang cellfon din yan kahit na gumagana ang cellfon mo kung 2g naman ang technology niya....meron itong hindi kayang gawin ng mga 4g cell technologies......gets nyo...?

spearhead

January 26th, 2011, 01:25 PM

the mere fact that the design of the ship is 1967 luma na ang technology nito.....bakit pa natin bibilhin.....may bago ng design ang mga barko ngayon na kahit ilang beses mo tamaan hindi basta lulubog dahil compartmentalized ang pagkakabuo....it's the technology....parang cellfon din yan kahit na gumagana ang cellfon mo kung 2g naman ang technology niya....meron itong hindi kayang gawin ng mga 4g cell technologies......gets nyo...?

ito gusto ko unahin ng PN, kahit dalawa lang muna, tapos dagdag in increments of 2 to realize a fleet of 8 or 10 of these babies.

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/pinoylumix/800px-RSS_Vengeance_Barak.jpg

Victory-class of the Singapore Navy (German-made)

Armaments:

1) Boeing Harpoon anti-ship missiles
2) Barak surface-to-air missiles
3) Oto Melara 76mm gun
4) Eurotorp A244-S Mod 3 torpedoes
5) CIS 50 12.7 mm machine guns

anti-air/anti-submarine/anti-ship/anti-surface/anti-personnel capability in a corvette the same size of our own BRP Artemio Ricarte (Peacock-class).

and these small corvettes have the same armaments as a stealth frigate like the Lafayette-class of SG, Taiwan, and France sans the bigger sensors and radar systems.

san ka pa? perfect for littoral & EEZ patrol/combat, and can travel in blue-water.. just imagine a PN with a considerable number of these missile corvettes and the impact it can make on our naval defense.

I totally agree with you both. I mean this is now our chance to acquire a more decent naval ship for the PN and not for the coast guard. This is the future and we need to move forward, not backward like the mentality of other filipinos, most specially those in the government.

Imo you guys shouldnt belittle this ship class too much and give it a chance as they have performed quite well over the years and has capabilities beyond much of what our navy has .

As you can read and see above they can be equipped with harpoon or other missile systems, in fact the space behind the bow guns was where the harpoons were once located and 5 ships of the hamilton class were fitted with those missiles, the only reason why this ship class was deliberetely disarmed of its missiles was because the uscg had budget issues and because it simply wasnt necessary for their role with the uscg, this ship class with minor differences in appearance could just as easily been used by the US navy .

What is important is that it already has advanced systems it is truelly just a question of complimenting the modern bow gun and the Phalanx gun with a few missiles, the cost of adding missiles like the exocet is not prohibitive and our navy can afford a few exocets, the ship is worth it for the systems and phalanx guns alone like i said this ship would represent a true leap in capabilities compared to what weve got right now even if it wont be "state of the art" compared to an aegis destroyer, it is nonetheless a good first step towards more modernisation .

So if they proceed in acquiring this ship, ano na magiging itsura ng pilipinas compared with other ASEAN navy? Tapos gagastusan pa nga natin ito para lagyan ng missiles. Like what other people says above, meron namang mas desenteng warship sa market so why not buy them, agree? The philippines is moving backward if they proceed of this plan.

Pilipinas talaga wala nang tigil sa ganitong diskarte, puro bulok talaga ang utak nila. Pwede naman tayo magpagawa nalang warships dyan mismo sa pilipinas kung gugustuhin lang ng gobyerno.

Anyway, compared with other coast guard ships, definitely this warship is ok. But compare it with other military naval ships, do you even think it will be able to track down those chinese submarines in philippine waters?

With all the malacanyang's combined wisdom, they should have been acquiring a decent destroyer first with SS and SAM capabilities, atleast 3 or 4 of these before acquiring any type of corvettes or frigates.

Corvettes and frigates are more of anti-ship & anti-aircraft warship.

Arvor

January 26th, 2011, 01:25 PM

the mere fact that the design of the ship is 1967 luma na ang technology nito.....bakit pa natin bibilhin.....may bago ng design ang mga barko ngayon na kahit ilang beses mo tamaan hindi basta lulubog dahil compartmentalized ang pagkakabuo....it's the technology....parang cellfon din yan kahit na gumagana ang cellfon mo kung 2g naman ang technology niya....meron itong hindi kayang gawin ng mga 4g cell technologies......gets nyo...?

So if they proceed in acquiring this ship, ano na magiging itsura ng pilipinas compared with other ASEAN navy?

Compared with other coast guard ships, definitely this warship is ok. But compare it with other military naval ships, do you even think it will be able to track down those chinese submarines in philippine waters?

The idea of compartmentalization is not new its been standard for ship design for more than a century in fact US navy ships of ww2 were better designed in that regard than their Japanese counterparts, by 1967 those principles are well established so i wouldnt worry about it .

Secondly as far as the technology is concerned as i have posted of the class's history it has been extensively upgraded throughout it's history so its technology as i have pointed out may not be the "state of the art" its not equal to the most advanced western or Japanese and south Korean destroyers but compared to our asean neighbours the technology would be more or less contemporary and good enough to face the Chinese for now certainly compared to our current ships .

I know some of you guys are sceptical due to their track record and fear they will keep this ship for 40 years but you have to think of this ship as an interim solution, buying a new half a billion $ ship takes a long time you would first need to think of your specifications and then conclude a contract by the time that's done it's been almost one year, it will then take 2 to 3 years to complete the construction of the vessel followed by at least one year of sea trials before they can be inducted into full service, this means that a brand new ship would take close to five years to acquire and at a considerable cost and by the time you get an entire series it would have easily taken 10 years before all the ships ordered are delivered .

In the meantime if they can get this ship for a few million $ and only have to refit it with a few missiles costing once again only a few million $, then you have a great deal that will allow you to immediately close the gap in your capabilities in a short period of time until you do get you're new ships, frankly this ships existing technology would put us at par with most of our asean neighbours and it would be a very good deal .

I dont think the navy will keep this ship if they get it in service for the next 30 years at most i suspect that it will be used for around ten years which it is still good for and by the end of that time new ships would have been acquired .

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http://www.nuestromar.org/cargador/img_up/20062006.6.jpg
Due to the recent defence cuts, HMS Chatham will arrive in Portsmouth Harbour for the last time at the end of January and the ship will be decommissioned in February 2011.

If you guys want a newer ship with anti submarine capability then send an e mail to the navy to get "HMS Chatham" a type 22 frigate of the Royal Navy to their attention it is being decomissioned due to their financial crisis and has relatively good anti submarine capabilities, but getting this ship even second hand would be much costlier with only slightly more capability .

The hamilton class could be armed with harpoons like Chatham it already has a similar main gun and phalanx gun, what the Chatham has more of would be larger anti air missiles, torpedoes and an anti submarine warfare helicopter, but thanks to the Hamiltons helicopter deck and hangar we could easily add anti submarine and other capabilities via a helicopter to that ship .

spearhead

January 26th, 2011, 01:38 PM

Lol the idea of compartimentalisation is not new in fact US navy ships of ww2 were better designed in that regard than their Japanese counterparts, by 1967 those principles are well established so i wouldnt worry about it, secondly as far as the technology is concerned as i have posted of the class's history it has been upgraded throughout it's history so its technology as i have pointed out is not the "state of the art" its not equal to the most advanced western or Japanese and south Korean destroyers but compared to our neighbours the technology would be more or less contemporary .

Furthermore you have to think of this ship as an interim solution, buying a new half a billion $ ship takes a long time you would first need to think of your specifications and then conclude a contract by the time that's done it's been almost one year, it will then take 2 to 3 years to complete the construction of the vessels followed by at least one year of sea trials before they can be inducted into full service, this means that a brand new ship would take close to five years to acquire and at a considerable cost .

In the meantime if they can get this ship for a million $ and only have to refit it with a few missiles costing once again only a few million $ then you have a great deal that will allow you to immediately close the gap in your capabilities in a short period of time until you do get you're new ships, frankly this ships technology would put us at par with our neighbours and it would be a very good deal .

Even if the philippine navy equipped it with missiles, it will never be at par with our ASEAN naval warships. They all have destroyers at the least that have been chasing around those chinese subs. We're the only one that doesnt have a decent destroyer. And buying this would only compliment our old crappy vintage ships.

While its obviously is true that purchasing this ship is an upgrade to PN capabilities, this doesnt count as a real deal. If they are seriously looking for an interim warship, then purchase some second hand destroyers with all those 3 capabilities i mentioned earlier.

spearhead

January 26th, 2011, 01:58 PM

Secondly as far as the technology is concerned as i have posted of the class's history it has been extensively upgraded throughout it's history so its technology as i have pointed out is not the "state of the art" its not equal to the most advanced western or Japanese and south Korean destroyers but compared to our asean neighbours the technology would be more or less contemporary and good enough to face the Chinese for now certainly compared with our current ships .

There is no such thing as good enough these days when facing the chinese without ASW capabilities.

http://www.nuestromar.org/cargador/img_up/20062006.6.jpg
Due to the recent defence cuts, HMS Chatham will arrive in Portsmouth Harbour for the last time at the end of January and the ship will be decommissioned in February 2011.

If you guys want a newer ship with anti submarine capability then send an e mail to the navy to get "HMS Chatham" a type 22 frigate of the Royal Navy to their attention it is being decomissioned due to their financial crisis and has relatively good anti submarine capabilities, but getting this ship even second hand would be much costlier with only slightly more capability .

The hamilton class could be armed with harpoons like Chatham a similar main gun and phalanx gun what the Chatham has more of would be larger anti air missiles and an anti submarine warfare helicopter, but thanks to the Hamiltons helicopter deck and hangar we could easily add anti submarine capabilities with a helicopter to that ship aswell .

You think ASW is a slight advantage?

See now you're thinking adding ASW on that Hamilton ship with a helicopter. If they were really serious in having an ASW capabilities then they should have done that a long time ago by purchasing those helicopter with ASW, but hey that pinoy government is a freaking out of mind, they are freaking stupid. And that's exactly what we were pointing out, buying a handicapped ship is not exactly an ideal tactic for an interim plans. That's why they should buy a destroyer where all the needed armaments are already installed, to help us not only to scare away the chinese subs also to add some intimidation to all smugglers and other foreign vessels entering illigaly into philippine territorial waters. No matter how much it will cost to buy a destroyer, a strong political will is needed to help us move forward.

I bet the chinese government has some influence now in the philippine government's military decision making for external defense. Xie xie ni! Lang fei shofu! :ohno:

Do you want us to send emails to that freaking filipino government? :lol:

If they think like the way the canadian government does, then yes why not send my suggestions.

:nuts:

Arvor

January 26th, 2011, 04:03 PM

then purchase some second hand destroyers with all those 3 capabilities i mentioned earlier.

See now you're thinking adding ASW on that Hamilton ship with a helicopter. If they were really serious in having an ASW capabilities then they should have done that a long time ago by purchasing those helicopter with ASW

buying a handicapped ship is not exactly an ideal tactic for an interim plans.

Warships are quite versatile and their armaments can vary over time as i pointed out these ships have been fitted with anti ship missiles before removed for financial reasons by the uscg, to say that the ship is "handicapped" is absurd as ships are armed according to their task or purpose and an asw capability can be added by simply adding an appropriate asw helicopter, i am not aware of the reason why they haven't done it in the past but if i had to guess it would be because we did not have any ships with a decent helicopter hangar aside from those non ideal converted lst's for huey's, an infrastructure that we will for the first time have with the Hamilton so i dont understand the gripes about it .

Like ive also said i doubt that this will be the last ship our navy will try to procure in the near future so i dont get the panic some seem to feel about it, its not the end of the world there will be other ships .

it will never be at par with our ASEAN naval warships

I never said all our asean neighbours Singapore is definetely the most advanced navy in asean but when you look at the other navies Indonesia, Thailand or Vietnam and even Malaysia their capital ship capabilities are not far beyond those of what a refitted Hamilton would be .

The Thai navies largest vessels for example are Knox class frigates launched at about the same time as the Hamilton class and are contemporaries, the Malaysian navy barely has any frigates and they arent that much more formidable than what a refitted Hamilton class would be, the largest Indonesian frigates were ex Royal Dutch navy warships launched in the 60's and again not much more advanced than a refitted Hamilton with an asw helicopter would be .

I stand by my comment that with a refitted Hamilton we would have a leap in capability that will bring us more or less at par with "most" of our asean neighbours and to be clear with the exception of Singapore .

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I would also put more emphasis on asw capabilities to be met by aircraft assets like a P3 Orion or comparable aircraft like the EADS C295 mpa or Boeing Poseidon to be able to cover our vast territorial waters more rapidly .

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3239/2652596713_b1751b4cb4_z.jpg
P3 Orion

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/aircraft-pictures/assets_c/2010/05/C295-thumb-560x373-74185.jpg
C295 Maritime Patrol Aircraft

Simple Dude

January 26th, 2011, 06:13 PM

Dude no need to educate me about the difference between the 2.

Like what i said from the other thread, this warship is inferior for the navy. Best yet send it to phil. coast guard. PN doesnt need to babysit another warship that is not really designed for external military parade. The idea of installing some missile system on it and actually armed it is as good as a daydreaming filipino. But then let's give this administration a chance and we'll see if it will not gonna end up like what happened to the cobra gunships.

BTW, watch this "Los Angeles" movie trailer video, and focus your eyes from @40 sec mark:

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Oh uh, no more hamilton class! :lol:

Joking aside hehe.......

^^ haha yeah, just making information to everyone... :) uhm what i can only say is we badly need more warships and modernization of equipments... i think the chinese Navy should attack the Philippine Navy 1st and let all ship sink... in that way, maybe the Government will really cram buying modern equipments kahit tamaan lang ng torpido yung flagship natin... some strong countries had experienced war in the past like S.Korea and Israel... i really dont want it to happen, but we still have to be prepared at all times...

spearhead

January 26th, 2011, 06:22 PM

^^ haha yeah, just making information to everyone... :) uhm what i can only say is we badly need more warships and modernization of equipments... i think the chinese Navy should attack the Philippine Navy 1st and let all ship sink... in that way, maybe the Government will really cram buying modern equipments kahit tamaan lang ng torpido yung flagship natin... some strong countries had experienced war in the past like S.Korea and Israel... i really dont want it to happen, but we still have to be prepared at all times...

Hahaha i agree with you... But the chinese have to do it covertly, you know, next thing we hear from GMA BREAKING NEWS, "THIS MORNING AT APPROXIMATELY 0415HRS, PHILIPPINE NAVAL SHIPS RAHA HUMABON & BRP BONIFACIO PATROLLING OUR EEZ NEAR MANILA BAY HAS MYSTERIOUSLY DISAPPEARED". :lol:

spearhead

January 26th, 2011, 06:29 PM

Warships are quite versatile and their armaments can vary over time as i pointed out these ships have been fitted with anti ship missiles before removed for financial reasons by the uscg, to say that the ship is "handicapped" is absurd as ships are armed according to their task or purpose and an asw capability can be added by simply adding an appropriate asw helicopter, i am not aware of the reason why they haven't done it in the past but if i had to guess it would be because we did not have any ships with a decent helicopter hangar aside from those non ideal converted lst's for huey's, an infrastructure that we will for the first time have with the Hamilton so i dont understand the gripes about it .

Like ive also said i doubt that this will be the last ship our navy will try to procure in the near future so i dont get the panic some seem to feel about it, its not the end of the world there will be other ships .

I never said all our asean neighbours Singapore is definetely the most advanced navy in asean but when you look at the other navies Indonesia, Thailand or Vietnam and even Malaysia their capital ship capabilities are not far beyond those of what a refitted Hamilton would be .

The Thai navies largest vessels for example are Knox class frigates launched at about the same time as the Hamilton class and are contemporaries, the Malaysian navy barely has any frigates and they arent that much more formidable than what a refitted Hamilton class would be, the largest Indonesian frigates were ex Royal Dutch navy warships launched in the 60's and again not much more advanced than a refitted Hamilton with an asw helicopter would be .

I stand by my comment that with a refitted Hamilton we would have a leap in capability that will bring us more or less at par with "most" of our asean neighbours and to be clear with the exception of Singapore .

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I would also put more emphasis on asw capabilities to be met by aircraft assets like a P3 Orion or comparable aircraft like the EADS C295 mpa or Boeing Poseidon to be able to cover our vast territorial waters more rapidly .

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3239/2652596713_b1751b4cb4_z.jpg
P3 Orion

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/aircraft-pictures/assets_c/2010/05/C295-thumb-560x373-74185.jpg
C295 Maritime Patrol Aircraft

Do we need to wait 10 more years to see those aircrafts with PAF emblem if we buy a decent second hand frigate that could come along sometime this year instead of that Hamilton ship? Tell me how many more years it may take to refit that ship with ASW or armed it with an ASW helicopter, compared with buying a destroyer with the complete package? Do you get my point?

If the PN is having trouble with finding some money, and begging those corrupt officials to stop stealing all the tax payers' money, why cant they atleast try to LEASE, instead of financing or buying that "handicapped warship"? I'm calling it handicapped because of the obvious reason of its being scrapped out of its armaments and doesnt even have those missile weapons onboard before being shipped out to philippine islands.

Heck, i will be happy if we can get that Hamilton Class warship if the US agreed to arm it with atleast SS and SAM, then help us procure an ASW helicopter then that is a very good deal! Never mind the look of that ship as long as it gets all those necessary and immediate weaponries that the PN badly needed.

Arvor

January 26th, 2011, 07:23 PM

compared with buying a destroyer with the complete package? Do you get my point?

Fitting a Hamilton class with all sorts of missiles could be done whitin a week or two resulting in the same capability as a "destroyer with the complete package" yet cost much less and without requiring the US to do it for us .

And since you believe we do have those kinds of ressources then what is the harm in getting this ship now and getting another "destroyer" in a few month's with the "complete package" when such a ship becomes available ?, the PN did say that they were going to procure more than one vessel .

Ive already pointed out that HMS Chatham her 3 sisterships and one royal navy type42 destroyer would be available for sale but unlike the unsolicited government to government sale request with the US wed be up competing against other countries bidding for that ship, and the British will likely give those ships to countries that would not only pay the most for it but also best suit their political interests and with which they have close relations .

Anyway let's forget the Hamilton class, what now is you're solution ? what ship do you think you can get for the same price capability and potential in as short a period of time as we could get the uscg ship ? .

spearhead

January 27th, 2011, 02:28 AM

Fitting a Hamilton class with all sorts of missiles could be done whitin a week or two resulting in the same capability as a "destroyer with the complete package" yet cost much less and without requiring the US to do it for us .

We will be counting on you! Siguraduhin mo lang na tatama ka sa sinasabi mo uh!

And since you believe we do have those kinds of ressources then what is the harm in getting this ship now and getting another "destroyer" in a few month's with the "complete package" when such a ship becomes available ?, the PN did say that they were going to procure more than one vessel .

What resources? How sure are you that they're getting another one when they haven't even done this deal yet? Nothing has been carved in the rock yet. So we better wait first before we even discuss this beforehand.

Ive already pointed out that HMS Chatham her 3 sisterships and one royal navy type42 destroyer would be available for sale but unlike the unsolicited government to government sale request with the US wed be up competing against other countries bidding for that ship, and the British will likely give those ships to countries that would not only pay the most for it but also best suit their political interests and with which they have close relations .

Anyway let's forget the Hamilton class, what now is you're solution ? what ship do you think you can get for the same price capability and potential in as short a period of time as we could get the uscg ship ? .

How much is the Hamilton class ship again?

Anyway, many yrs ago or so, the french navy has offered us their D'Estienne d'Orves (A-69) Class Corvette with anti-submarine warfare for lease:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D'Estienne_d'Orves_class
The A69 type Avisos are small warships mainly designed for coastal anti-submarine defence, but are also available for high sea escort missions (notably in support missions with the FOST). Built on a simple and robust design, they have an economical and reliable propulsion system which allows them to be used for overseas presence missions. The A69 design was based in the project of the João Coutinho class corvettes of the Portuguese Navy.

A total of 17 ships of this class were built and named after the heroes of the Second World War. Eight of these ships have since been decommissioned and six of them were sold to the Turkish Navy where they were redesignated as the B Class corvette.
The nine ships remaining in French service will have their heavy weapons removed and be reclassified as oceanic patrol ships. They will replace the P400 class patrol vessels in this role.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Lieutenant_de_vaisseau_Lavall%C3%A9e.jpg/800px-Lieutenant_de_vaisseau_Lavall%C3%A9e.jpg

From Timawa:

According to Jane's Fighting Ships 2000-2001 ships of this class were offered for lease to the Philippine Navy but they have not been taken up.

The Model 1968 100mm gun has a maximum effective range of 15km against surface targets, 8km against aircraft. Rate of fire is 78 rounds per minute. The entire mount weighs 22 tons.

The MM38 Exocet carries a 165kg warhead at Mach 1 over a range of 42km. The MM40 Exocet has a range of 65km, uses a lighter launcher, incorporates improved seeker and electronics counter-countermeasures technology and better sea-skimming ability.

And of all these ships, most of them have been transfered to another country or have remained in service with the french navy. However, one decomissioned of this type is still somewhere in france may still be sea worthy, and we need to find it. That ship is the F785 Jean Moulin (named after Jean Moulin, decommissioned in 1999). The wiki link where i found it doesnt say any details of it's condition.

BTW, it's the US navy has been using "Destroyers" for their ships that have ASW. The UK's using "Frigates" with the same ASW capabilities.

The PN should also look at russia and france, aside from UK and US for warships with ASW capabilities available for leasing.

spearhead

January 27th, 2011, 02:36 AM

And what was the detailed controversial report of this proposal, and why it was cancelled by then sen. mercado?

From Timawa:

http://timawa.net/images/modernization/saar13.jpg
Sa'ar V Class Corvette

Ingalls Shipbuilders of Pascagoula, Miss. signed a co-production agreement with a Filipino company as part of its proposal offering the PN a variant of the Sa'ar V class multi-mission ship that it built for Israel.

Sa'ar V class
Displacement: 1,075 tons
Speed: 33 knots

Armament:
8 Harpoon and 8 Gabriel II anti-ship missiles
Phalanx close-in weapons system
2 Barak vertical-launch surface-to-air missile groups with 64 missiles
6 anti-submarine torpedo tubes

Has stealth features, a platform and hangar for one helicopter (Dauphin in Israeli Service). Israeli ships cost $260 million each. Top-weight problems have caused the Gabriel missiles not to be installed.

Allegedly, people close to former President Estrada tried to push through the deal to acquire this ship but then-Defense Secretary Orlando Mercado opposed it on legal issues.

spearhead

January 27th, 2011, 02:44 AM

And this one is for sale if the PN is really into purchasing some decent warships, its smaller but have ASW capabilities and may cost cheaper than buying a hamilton class corvette that lack armaments (also from timawa):

Flyvefisken Class (SF 300) Multi-Role Vessels, Denmark
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/fly/
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/fly/images/fly1.jpg
Key Data:

Crew19-29 (dependant on role)
Dimensions:

Overall Length54m
Length at Waterline (DWL)50m
Draught at Full Load2.5m
Beam9m
Displacement (Standard)320t
Displacement (Fully Loaded)450t
Performance:

Maximum Continuous Speed (CODAG)30kt
Maximum Speed Diesel Only20kt
Maximum Speed Hydraulic Drive6kt
Endurance (18kt)2,400nm
Weapon Systems:

SSM8 x Harpoon missiles (combat role)
SAMMk 48 mod 3 vertical launcher for six SeaSparrow missiles (combat / minelayer / MCM role)
Gun1 x 76mm Oto Melara Super Rapid
Torpedoes2 x 533mm tubes for TP613 torpedoes (combat role), anti-submarine torpedoes (ASW role)
Mines60 (minelaying role)
Systems:

Command SystemSaab / Terma Elektronik
Fire Control SystemSaab 9LV mk3
Main RadarBAE Systems AWS-6 (first seven), EADS TRS-3D/16 (last seven)
Surveillance RadarTerma Scatter Mil
Navigation RadarFuruno
SonarSaab CTS 36; Thales TMS 2640 VDS (ASW role); Thales 2054 side scan sonar (MCM role)
ESMThales Sabre
ECMThales Cygnus
Decoys2 x Sea Gnat DL-6T
NavigationDecca and GPS
Gyro SystemsNorthrol Grumman (Litton) and Sperry / Anschultz
CommunicationsHF, VHF, UHF controlled by an infocom automated control system (satcom for special tasks)
Machinery ControlLyngso marine automatic ship control and surveillance system
Propulsion:

TypeCODAG
Engines1 x General Electric LM 500 gas turbine, 5,450hp
2 x MTU 16V396 TB94 diesels, 5,800hp
1 x GM 12V-71 diesel, 500hp

gmaer

January 27th, 2011, 03:11 AM

DI NAMAN PROBLEMA KONG SAAN ILALAGAY ANG MISSILE,YONG HELECOPTER DECK PWEDENG DOON NA LANG ILAGAY ANG MGA MISSILE,SAYANG ANG TALINO NG MGA PILIPINONG NAVAL ENGINEER KONG HINDI NILA KAYANG MAG DESIGN NG MGA MISSILE MAN LANG SA MGA BARKO NG PHILIPPINE NAVY.ANG GANDA NG BARKO NA YAN,GOOD ADDITIONAL YAN SA ATING NAVY.:):):)

Sayang ang talino mo pre! Masmaraming magagawa ang helicopter kaysa missile launcher... pwede mong lagyan ng missile ang helicopter para umatake - madadagdagan pa kamo ang layo ng mararating ng missile sa pamamagitan ng helicopter at pwede ka rin magkaron ng "instant ASW capabilities" sa pamamagitan ng helicopter.

Well it will be sufficient for its task of patrolling our waters and sovereignty enforcement, i dont believe that the navy will be able to resist pimping that ship with at the very least a few extra machine guns, a few Javelin or Milan missiles for anti surface and anti aircraft manpads like the mistral would also be cheap and easy to instal at the very least as a means of self defence, in the end of the day that Phalanx gun is one of the most interesting things about that ship for me it would basically be the countries most sophisticated air defence system lol .

Adding larger missiles like the rbs15 or exocet shouldnt be too difficult or costly either and there is enough space behind the bow gun for at least 4 of them, it is also handy that the German navy for example is about to replace its exocet missiles with rbs15's so perhaps the Phillippine navy should think of calling the German navy about acquiring some of those exocets ... .

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Mistral missile

If you want to add air defense missiles to this patrol ship then arm the sailors with shoulder-fired Stinger missiles instead of the Mistral besides the Phalanx CIWS can be used to destroy both enemy aircraft and missiles.

http://www.navalhistory.dk/images/Vaaben/Missiler/Stinger_korvet.jpg
A sailor uses a Stinger aboard a warship

^^ they didn't install Missile systems on it coz it was just used by the US coast guard in the 1st place and not the US Navy,..

Correct! :cheers:

too late decommisioned na ang Rajah Humabon.....kaya nga precisely bibili ka wla rin naman firepower....yung ibili mo dun......ibili mo na lang ng maraming maliliit na mabilis na crafts at lagyan ng missile capabilities......we do not need big ships hindi naman tayo tatawid dagat para makidigma....hintayin natin sila na pumasok sa ating teritoryo at banatan.....di ba?

When? The BRP Rajah Humabon is still in active service!

buy if we must but please.....yung bago naman....at yung may firepower....hindi lang basta....coast guard cutter......baka papel lang ang kayang i cut nun o di kaya nails....o hair kaya...:lol:

Ate too much... korny? :banana:

gmaer

January 27th, 2011, 03:24 AM

ito gusto ko unahin ng PN, kahit dalawa lang muna, tapos dagdag in increments of 2 to realize a fleet of 8 or 10 of these babies.

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/pinoylumix/800px-RSS_Vengeance_Barak.jpg

Victory-class of the Singapore Navy (German-made)

Armaments:

1) Boeing Harpoon anti-ship missiles
2) Barak surface-to-air missiles
3) Oto Melara 76mm gun
4) Eurotorp A244-S Mod 3 torpedoes
5) CIS 50 12.7 mm machine guns

anti-air/anti-submarine/anti-ship/anti-surface/anti-personnel capability in a corvette the same size of our own BRP Artemio Ricarte (Peacock-class).

and these small corvettes have the same armaments as a stealth frigate like the Lafayette-class of SG, Taiwan, and France sans the bigger sensors and radar systems.

san ka pa? perfect for littoral & EEZ patrol/combat, and can travel in blue-water.. just imagine a PN with a considerable number of these missile corvettes and the impact it can make on our naval defense.

I totally disagree with you - budget wise!

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Military needs P42B in next 5 years to upgrade, House told (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20110127-316899/Military-needs-P42B-in-next-5-years-to-upgrade-House-told)
By Dona Pazzibugan
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 07:43:00 01/27/2011

MANILA, Philippines—The Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) needs at least P42 billion in the next five years to upgrade its capabilities, military officials told a House defense committee hearing Wednesday.

A P42.13-billion projected budget from 2012 to 2016 would enable the AFP to buy new equipment for 12 infantry battalions and create a mechanized brigade for the Army; acquire combat utility helicopters and attack aircraft for the Air Force; and a strategic sealift vessel and two offshore patrol vessels for the Navy.

Commodore Honorio Balanon Jr., assistant deputy chief of staff for plans (J5) presented the AFP's capability upgrade plan under the Aquino administration from 2012 to 2016.

“The P42 billion is a practical, modest budget. It can be adjusted,” said Pio Lorenzo Batino, defense assistant secretary, told lawmakers during a hearing at the Camp Aguinaldo main military headquarters Wednesday.

According to Balanon, the plan is to earmark P14.49 billion for the Navy, P14.36 billion for the Air Force, P11.66 billion for the Army and P1.62 billion for headquarters support services.

“The AFP formulated a comprehensive defense acquisition project list for future years as part of its medium-term capability requirements (from 2012 to 2016),” he said.

Muntinlupa Rep. Rodolfo Biazon, a retired Marine general and former Armed Forces chief of staff who chairs the House defense committee, had some questions concerning some of the items.

He said what was needed was a “short-term” military acquisition plan for the remaining years of the Aquino administration.

“We're talking of what we can buy in the next five years. It should be what is really needed,” he said.

Bukidnon Rep. Jose Zubiri III, the committee’s senior vice chair, said he was pleased with the AFP's plan.

“It's a good list, a very realistic list. It's just a question of whether we have the funds,” he said.

The Army's big ticket items include assault rifles worth P972 million and force protection equipment worth P486 million for 12 infantry battalions deployed in critical areas; 110 infantry fighting vehicles or tracked armored personnel carriers worth P6.6 billion for one mechanized brigade; an anti-tank weapon system worth P437 million and night fighting system worth P1.1 billion.

For the Air Force, its wish list consists of four combat utility helicopters worth P1.4 billion; four surface attack aircraft for P5 billion; six close air support aircraft for P3.16 billion; one long range patrol aircraft for P2.4 billion; and air surveillance radar for P2.3 billion

The Navy meanwhile seeks to acquire two offshore patrol vessels worth P7 billion; a strategic sealift vessel for 4.5 billion; a bases support system for P1 billion; a command system for the Marines worth 684 million; two multipurpose helicopters worth 900 million; a Coast Watch system for P256 million; and an anti-bunker/tank system for the Marines worth P146 million.

spearhead

January 27th, 2011, 03:29 AM

Napaka liit naman ata ng P42B for 5 yrs. Noong 1995, P316B for 15 yrs... Kaloko talaga... :nuts:

gmaer

January 27th, 2011, 03:32 AM

35 killed in Moscow airport blast (http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0124/moscow.html)
At least 35 people have been killed and 130 injured in an explosion at Moscow's Domodedovo International Airport.

At least 35 people have been killed and 130 injured in an explosion at Moscow's Domodedovo International Airport.

A suicide bomber is believed to have been behind the attack, which took place at 4.32pm local time in an area close to the baggage reclaim area.

President Dmitry Medvedev vowed to track down and punish those behind the bombing, which also injured about 130 people during the busy late afternoon.

Speaking on Twitter Medvedev wrote 'security will be strengthened at large transport hubs, we mourn the victims of the terrorist attack at Domodedovo Airport. The organisers will be tracked down and punished.'

The Kremlin said Medvedev, who has called the insurgency in the north Caucasus the biggest threat to Russia's security, was delaying a trip to the Davos international business forum in Switzerland.

'According to preliminary information, the explosive device was set off by a suicide bomber,' Interfax news agency quoted an unnamed security source as saying.

Moscow police have stepped up security across the city after the blast.

Ironically, Russia is one of the countries that opposed the US-led attacks on international terror cells in Iraq and Afghanistan. The North Caucasus and Chechen militant groups all have links to Al-Qaeda.

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'Cell phone set off bomb' (http://old.ph.news.yahoo.com/star/20110126/tph-cell-phone-set-off-bomb-philippines-541dfb4.html)
Philstar.com - Thursday, January 27

MANILA, Philippines - The explosion that ripped apart a bus in Makati the other day, killing five passengers, was caused by a mortar bomb triggered by a mobile phone, police said yesterday.

The rigged explosive is typically used by Islamic extremists, raising the likelihood that the bombing was a terrorist attack.

Philippine National Police (PNP) chief Director General Raul Bacalzo made the revelation during a hearing of the Senate committee on public order and dangerous drugs on what it described as the worsening peace and order situation in Metro Manila.

In Malacañang, President Aquino appealed for calm and asked the public not to resort to speculations.

Bacalzo said the improvised explosive device (IED) used in the bombing was an 81-mm mortar shell with a cell phone as remote trigger.

Bacalzo said investigators were checking if the same type of IED was used in past terror attacks, particularly in Central Mindanao.

“That’s the thing we are following up because according to the EOD (explosives and ordnance division), it’s an 81-mm mortar. If it’s a mortar, then the component was TNT,” Bacalzo told reporters after the hearing.

“We don’t want to speculate, but these are operational data we would like to pursue. We will see if there is similarity in style with other bombings in the past,” he said.

National Capital Region Police Office chief Director Nicanor Bartolome said investigators are reconstructing the cell phone that was reportedly used as a triggering device.

Police also said they have sketches of two suspects but would not release them yet so as not to jeopardize the investigation.

Interior and Local Government Secretary Jesse Robredo, for his part, said the attack should not be totally blamed on failure of intelligence.

He said it was like looking for needle in a haystack.

He said even the most sophisticated, more equipped and richer nations have difficulty monitoring terror attacks in their own countries.

He said it’s still “too premature to pinpoint at this time” if terrorists or extortionists were responsible for Tuesday’s attack.

In the hearing, Sen. Ferdinand Marcos Jr. expressed concern that the bombing could be a terror act since the Philippines, based on some reports, is “often seen as a staging area” of international terror groups. He noted that even Iraqi extremists use mortar shells for IEDs in terror attacks.

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin also rebuffed claims that there was failure of intelligence. “We take all of these seriously. At this point it cannot be said that we were not serious. What I mean is steps were taken. But this slipped past us. Why did this happen? If a person is determined, he would manage to carry out his evil intentions one way or another,” Gazmin said.

“We’re doing our job but you must remember the big area that we are looking at,” he added.

The explosion inside the Newman Goldliner bus killed two passengers instantly and wounded more than a dozen. Three of the injured later died in hospital.

Killed in the blast were FX taxi driver Salustiano Marino, 57; culinary arts student Johanson Reyes, 24 and girlfriend Kristel Ausena; Jhonlie Daquiaog, 24, and Iris Tiniola.

Foreign link unlikely

Reacting to Marcos’ concern, Bacalzo said the PNP, being a member of the Anti-Terrorist Council, is continuously coordinating with its foreign counterparts to counter terrorism.

Bacalzo and Bartolome maintained that international terror group Jemaah Islamiyah and its local counterpart, Balik Islam, have not been active in recent months.

“Nonetheless, we are looking into all angles, into everything be it international or local,” Bacalzo added.

“When we speak of specific threats, we’ve not detected anything. Information is discussed with other law enforcement agencies for validation and exchange of notes with our counterparts. In our discussions, there are no specific threats that we have gathered,” Bartolome said.

Aquino’s security adviser Cesar Garcia told ABS-CBN News Muslim militants might be behind the attack.

“The fact that... the device used was an improvised explosive device similar to the ones used by terrorist organizations in the southern Philippines raises the possibility it was a terrorist attack,” he said.

While Garcia said it was too early to say who was behind the blast, he pointed out it was similar to a bus bombing on EDSA that killed four people and injured 36 others on Feb. 14, 2005.

“Investigations into the 2005 Valentine’s Day bombing showed the suspects rode the bus, carried the (bomb) in a backpack, left the backpack, got off... (and) detonated the bomb with the use of a cell phone,” he said.

The Abu Sayyaf, a small group of Islamic militants blamed for the nation’s worst terrorist attacks and a string of kidnappings, claimed credit for the 2005 attack, although it has remained silent following Tuesday’s explosion.

Garcia emphasized that militant groups from the south had long wanted to launch attacks in Manila.

“Metro Manila has always been a long-term aspirational target of the organizations operating in the southern Philippines,” Garcia said.

Communist hand

But for Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile, the communist armed wing the New People’s Army might have had a hand in the bombing.

“I cannot believe that that is the work of terrorists and simple criminals. Find out if that has relation with what’s going on in rural areas. There was a bombing in my province. There were bombings like that in Mindanao. We’ve experienced that before,” Enrile said.

“They brought their bombing operation in Metro Manila. The classic case is Plaza Miranda,” Enrile said, referring to the 1971 bomb attack on the Liberal party rally at Plaza Miranda in Quiapo, Manila.

The Senate president was the defense minister at the time.

He said peace and order has always been a “challenge to the administration, whether it’s an old administration or a new one.”

“I have my doubts. I will not discount it but to me it’s remote,” he said referring to the terrorist angle.

“If it’s international terrorists, they’ll blow up trains if they really want to make a big impact, they should’ve hit the LRT. There are lots of people there that would be killed. International terrorists would blow up trains, they can blow up a mall, theater to deliver the biggest impact on the world’s consciousness,” Enrile said.

Sen. Juan Miguel Zubiri said administration officials should not have downplayed the travel advisories issued by the US and some of its Western allies two months ago.

“Just tell us if there is a terrorist threat then mobilize the people... tell us to watch out for bags that are left behind, for suspicious personnel or criminals around the community so we can always be alert,” Zubiri said.

No destabilization

The military could not have carried out Tuesday’s bus bombing as part of a coup attempt since it has already “gone a long way professionally,” Cavite Rep. Joseph Emilio Abaya said yesterday.

Abaya is a former Navy officer and a party mate of President Aquino in the Liberal Party (LP). He chairs the House appropriations committee.

“The President is on top of the situation. Government will make sure those who perpetrated this will be arrested and put in jail,” he said.

“This is an isolated case, but let us not dispel the probability that there might be a script to this,” he added.

Another party mate of the President, Quezon Rep. Lorenzo Tañada III, voiced the LP’s condemnation of the bombing.

“Although this is an isolated case, it is clear that there are terrorists in our society who are out to embarrass PNoy. We would like to assure our peace-loving citizens that PNoy and our law enforcement agencies are on top of the situation and will be able to solve this unfortunate incident in the coming days,” he said.

Rep. Emmeline Aglipay of the party-list group Diwa also condemned the bombing.

“I hope that the reason behind the bomb blast may be brought to light and that the persons responsible may be apprehended immediately. I call on the public to remain calm but alert,” she said.

For his part, Rep. Teddy Casiño of Bayan Muna said his group “condemns the bombing of a passenger bus in Makati and calls on the authorities to leave no stone unturned in pursuing the perpetrators.”

Diversion

Justice Secretary Leila de Lima said investigators should explore all angles, including the possibility that carjack syndicates carried out the attack to divert the attention of authorities from their intensified campaign against car theft.

“That’s a possibility. There are criminal syndicates who have cohort or conspirators from within security forces including the PNP,” De Lima told reporters.

“While we cannot make any conclusion because it will be very premature we cannot let our guard down by focusing on one angle, like the terrorism angle because it could be anything,” she stressed.

She said she has instructed the NBI to conduct a parallel probe on the incident.

The bombing incident prompted former North Cotabato congresswoman and now Gov. Emmylou Taliño-Mendoza to renew her call for transport authorities and the PNP to immediately train and deploy armed bus marshals.

In a statement, she said these marshals would “detect, deter and suppress hostile acts targeting the nation’s public buses, terminals and passengers.”

Kalookan Bishop Deogracias Iniguez, for his part, called on authorities to “wake up” and swiftly solve the case. “Let us do all we can as soon as possible to investigate the root of the attack,” he said.

Novaliches Bishop Teodoro Bacani asked law enforcers to hone their skills in fighting criminals, saying “we are living in extraordinary days.”

“The people trust you because you are honest. Now, their trust would serve as a foundation of your competence. Show that you are not only a good man but also have the capability to become a good leader,” he said in radio message addressed to Aquino.

For Marbel Bishop Dinualdo Gutierrez, the terror attack calls for “communal action.”

“Yes, when we say communal action people must be involved in maintaining peace and order and this is a responsibility of everybody,” Gutierrez said.

MILF denial

Meanwhile, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) denied involvement in the attack, which it called “satanic.”

“We are condemning the act. It’s a satanic act. We have nothing to do with that,” MILF chair Mohagher Iqbal said.

He said the fact that an 81-mm was used in the attack doesn’t mean the MILF was responsible.

In Cotabato City, Weena Bus management has beefed up security following the Makati bus bombing.

Weena had been the target of several attacks by extortionists.

President Aquino tried to calm residents in a televised news conference shortly after Tuesday’s blast, promising his government will not allow fear to settle in.

He and other officials have not named any specific group, but suggested the possible involvement of al-Qaeda-linked Abu Sayyaf militants.

Aquino said he directed his national security adviser to reassess threats that reportedly came from terrorist groups last year and that prompted several countries, including Australia, Britain and the US, to put in place travel warnings. At the time, the government had not found the threats credible and the warnings infuriated Aquino.

Investigators were also looking into the background of the wounded and the dead, police Chief Superintendent Jose Arnel de los Santos said. His statement suggested that one of the passengers may have been carrying the explosive when it went off prematurely. With Jess Diaz, Rose Tamayo, Evelyn Macairan, Jose Rodel Clapano, Edith Regalado, Jaime Laude, Roel Pareño, Sandy Araneta, Mike Frialde, Aie Balagtas See, Cecille Suerte Felipe, Marvin Sy, Edu Punay, Non Alquitran, AP - By Christina Mendez (Philstar News Service, www.philstar.com)

You can learn anything from the Internet...

How to set off fireworks or a smoke bomb with your cell phone (http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to-set-off-fireworks-smoke-bomb-with-your-cell-phone-271439/)

spearhead

January 27th, 2011, 03:34 AM

35 killed in Moscow airport blast (http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0124/moscow.html)
At least 35 people have been killed and 130 injured in an explosion at Moscow's Domodedovo International Airport.

Ironically, Russia is one of the countries that opposed the US-led attacks on international terror cells in Iraq and Afghanistan. The North Caucasus and Chechen militant groups all have links to Al-Qaeda.

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'Cell phone set off bomb' (http://old.ph.news.yahoo.com/star/20110126/tph-cell-phone-set-off-bomb-philippines-541dfb4.html)
Philstar.com - Thursday, January 27

You can learn anything from the Internet...

How to set off fireworks or a smoke bomb with your cell phone (http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to-set-off-fireworks-smoke-bomb-with-your-cell-phone-271439/)

Ikaw ba yung nagpasabog?

gmaer

January 27th, 2011, 03:53 AM

Ikaw ba yung nagpasabog?

Ewan ko baka ikaw? :bash:

Even if the philippine navy equipped it with missiles, it will never be at par with our ASEAN naval warships. They all have destroyers at the least that have been chasing around those chinese subs. We're the only one that doesnt have a decent destroyer. And buying this would only compliment our old crappy vintage ships.

While its obviously is true that purchasing this ship is an upgrade to PN capabilities, this doesnt count as a real deal. If they are seriously looking for an interim warship, then purchase some second hand destroyers with all those 3 capabilities i mentioned earlier.

A missile-less big ship is still better than no-ship at all. :ohno:

Napaka liit naman ata ng P42B for 5 yrs. Noong 1995, P316B for 15 yrs... Kaloko talaga... :nuts:

Do you think such budget can buy you 2nd hand modern guided-missile anti-submarine helicopter-carrying destroyers?

1. Arleigh Burke class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arleigh_Burke_class_destroyer) (United States) $1.8 billion
2. Daring Type 45 class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_45_destroyer) (United Kingdom) $976 million

The AFP proposed defense budget is 42 billion pesos not dollars.

spearhead

January 27th, 2011, 04:03 AM

Ewan ko baka ikaw? :bash:

Pag bintangan mo pa ako eh ikaw yung nag post ng link kung pano idetonate yun by cellphone. Kaw talaga oh...

A missile-less big ship is still better than no-ship at all. :ohno:

Syempre its better than nothing at all. But that deal is BS.

Do you think such budget can buy you 2nd hand modern guided-missile anti-submarine helicopter-carrying destroyers? :banana:

Not necessarily, but you can lease instead of buying it. Mostly, Lease-to-own scheme are faster acquisition between government-to-government deals but more expensive at the end of the contract.

gmaer

January 27th, 2011, 04:11 AM

Pag bintangan mo pa ako eh ikaw yung nag post ng link kung pano idetonate yun by cellphone. Kaw talaga oh...

Did you just failed to understand my point that "anything can be learned from the Internet" means that such an accident can be done by anybody and did I admit to it? No I just made a perfect example on how crimes can easily be done with the use of the Internet.

Syempre its better than nothing at all. But that deal is BS.

Not necessarily, but you can lease instead of buying it. Mostly, Lease-to-own scheme are faster acquisition between government-to-government deals but more expensive at the end of the contract.

Can you give an example of destroyers that can be leased-to-own? The Hamilton-class cutter came from the US Coast Guard's FMS-EDA to cut high operating and maintenance cost. Only FMS-EDA ships can be acquired via a lease-to-own scheme as what was stated in http://www.navyleague.org/seapower/new_lease_on_life_for_ex.htm

1. Arleigh Burke class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arleigh_Burke_class_destroyer) (United States) $1.8 billion
2. Daring Type 45 class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_45_destroyer) (United Kingdom) $976 million

The AFP proposed defense budget is 42 billion pesos not dollars.

waraywaray architect

January 27th, 2011, 04:33 AM

palagi na lang ini-erase ang mga comment ko sa thread na ito...:bash:

spearhead

January 27th, 2011, 04:33 AM

Did you just failed to understand my point that "anything can be learned from the Internet" means that such an accident can be done by anybody and did I admit to it? No I just made a perfect example on how crimes can easily be done with the use of the Internet.

Relax linoloko lang kita ok hehe. :lol:

Can you give an example of destroyers that can be leased-to-own? The Hamilton-class cutter came from the US Coast Guard's FMS-EDA to cut high operating and maintenance cost. Only FMS-EDA ships can be acquired via a lease-to-own scheme as what was stated in http://www.navyleague.org/seapower/new_lease_on_life_for_ex.htm

1. Arleigh Burke class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arleigh_Burke_class_destroyer) (United States) $1.8 billion
2. Daring Type 45 class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_45_destroyer) (United Kingdom) $976 million

The AFP proposed defense budget is 42 billion pesos not dollars.

Alam kong pesos yun, di mo ba binasa ng maigi post ko? Typed ko ganito, P42B.

Just read my previous posts above.

spearhead

January 27th, 2011, 04:37 AM

palagi na lang ini-erase ang mga comment ko sa thread na ito...:bash:

Ganun talaga kung off topic minsan. Pero dapat atleast yung nagerase nun sinasabihan ka kung ano nangyari sa post mo. Kung di nya nagustuhan dahil lumabag ka sa forum rules, then dapat merong warning. But most of the time yung moderator nayun di ka nya sasabihan kung ano ginawa nya sa post mo, hayaan ka nyang maghanap ng maghanap nalang...

bitoy

January 27th, 2011, 04:41 AM

eto, kayang kayang gawin yan sa Navotas shipyard. Ilang tupi lang ng stainless steel at lagyan ng motor at pinturahan ng alketran, pang laban na sa giyera. :lol:

The US Navy Stealth ship Sea Shadow
http://dvice.com/pics/US-Navy-Sea-Shadow-stealth-ship.jpg

spearhead

January 27th, 2011, 04:47 AM

bitoy

January 27th, 2011, 05:09 AM

^^ Yung motor ni Dingel o yung taga Navotas din na meron E-car na powered by capacitors. :lol:

Well, Panday Pira used locally made cannons against the pirates. :D

Arvor

January 27th, 2011, 05:27 AM

Syempre its better than nothing at all. But that deal is BS.

The point is they would be much more likely to get that ship for a cheaper price due to our relationship with the US and due to their geopolitical interests in the waters around China rather than compete with other countries bidding for ships on the second hand market .

Most of those other ships you mentioned are also from the same era as the Hamilton class btw .

Also some of these designations such as destroyer, frigate or cutter is really just semantics the uscg prefer to call them cutters even if they are the same weight class as a frigate, Japan and European countries might call larger ships in the destroyer weight category frigates for political reasons and the French navy simply doesnt use the designation "destroyer" etc, the Hamilton class in our navy can simply be redesignated as a frigate .

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The only navies right now with decent surpluss ships is the Royal Navy and their ships are usually well sought after and often there would be a couple of countries jostling to try get them, so it will be tough getting some of those type22 frigates which were supposed to be in service for about another ten years, the PN and our government should urgently try to find out if they can somehow acquire them .

The next country likely to get rid of ships is the German navy and their Bremen class f122 frigates which are pretty good, starting around 2014 when they start recieving new ships of a brand new class, but given our issues with naia T3 it might be complicated unless if we could use that issue to give fraport the compensation it wants in return for the sale of one or two of those ships ... .

The US navy still have a few Oliver Hazard Perry frigates which they will probably slowly start to get rid of so that's another direction we can look at .

Otherwise you won't be seeing alot of good large second hand ships on the market, im all for second hand corvettes and small patrol craft but we have to understand what they are for and the limits of their capabilities, they could never replace a platform which can carry helicopters and the ability to persist in deep water patrols as our territorial waters and eez need persistent presence in order to truelly be able to control our ressources and sovereignty at sea especially our waters in the north and the Pacific .

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Of the budget, Balanon said, P14.49 billion is needed by the Navy for the acquisition of two offshore patrol vessels, a strategic sealift vessel and two multi-purpose helicopters, putting up of bases support system, a coast watch system, and anti-bunker/tank system, among others

So 2 OPV's and it seems 2 multi purpose helicopters sounds like asw capability to me, but ok i could be wrong until they release more details on the helicopters .

Askal82

January 27th, 2011, 06:07 AM

^^ Yung motor ni Dingel o yung taga Navotas din na meron E-car na powered by capacitors. :lol:

Well, Panday Pira used locally made cannons against the pirates. :D

Oh yung mga bangkang papel.

Walang radar signature yun kasi, papel lang. :lol:

Linguine

January 27th, 2011, 07:54 AM

AFP proposes P42.13-B budget for upgrades, new equipment

THE ARMED Forces of the Philippines (AFP) proposed a P42.13 billion budget before the House Committee on National Defense and Security yesterday in a hearing at Camp Aguinaldo. It aims to upgrade and purchase additional equipment during the current administration.

The Assistant Deputy Chief of Staff for Plans Commodore Honorio E. Balanon, Jr. presented the AFP capability list for 2012-2016, covering the administration of president Benigno C. Aquino III, in front of the committee.

The proposed budget is broken down as follows: P11.662 billion for the Army, P14.359 billion for the Air Force, P14.487 billion for the Navy, and P1.621 billion for the AFP General Head Quarters and support units.

For the army, the proposal included acquiring additional trucks, several engineering equipment and rifles, grenade launchers, anti-tank weapon systems, infantry armor and night fighting capabilities.

For the air force, the acquisition of an additional four combat utility helicopters, four surface attack aircraft, six close air support aircraft, and one long range patrol aircraft, including an air surveillance radar were proposed.

The acquisition of several offshore patrol vessels, sea-lift vessels, and multipurpose helicopters were proposed for the navy.

"This is a very realistic and necessary list... this is just a practical and modest budgeting," said Bukidnon representative Jose Ma. F. Zubiri III, vice-chairman of the committee on national defense and security, during the hearing.

Muntinlupa City representative Rodoldo G. Biazon, chairman of the committee on national defense and security said during the hearing that their proposal will be subject to a technical working group for further study.

"The first thing we will do is identify what equipment [and capabilities] should be acquired. Only then can we determine how much is needed," Mr. Biazon said. -- MPC

http://www.bworldonline.com/content.php?title=AFP%20proposes%20P42.13-B%20budget%20for%20upgrades,%20new%20equipment&id=25250

bitoy

January 27th, 2011, 07:58 AM

Oh yung mga bangkang papel.

Walang radar signature yun kasi, papel lang. :lol:

Baka me magreklamo na naman na si GMA ang me kasalanan ng lahat kung bakit palpak ang AFP. :lol:

Kelangan simulan na ni PNoy ang pag disburse ng military budget, unahin na yung mainam na pagkain at housing ng mga sundalo. Naalala ko yung ka batch ko, ang bilis ng promotion niya to major dahil pinadala siya sa Mindanao, pero ang hirap naman ng budget nila sa pagkain, pinapagkasya na lang ng isang opisyal ang pagkain sa isang batalyon na para lang yata sa isang company lamang. When Erap became president, medyo astig sila, sila pa binibigyan ng mga pagkain ng mga taga barrio. After that, natigil na promotion niya kaya balik Manila na lang siya hanggang nag retire dahil sa sakit niya.

Simple Dude

January 27th, 2011, 10:55 AM

gmaer

January 27th, 2011, 12:01 PM

^^ hmmm seem's like were not having Multi-role fighters until 2016,... hope they would include buying some in the future... what i see now is, they focus more on our naval power...which is also good :okay: coz we really need more advanced ships for our Maritime patrol and troops transportation from island to island... and for the air force, i dont think their gonna buy another OV-10's again for the surface attack aircraft, it may be something different or the S-211 again... and i think that their gonna buy heavy armed helicopters for the close air support like AH-1's,... for the army, why didn't they include addition armored fighting vehicles and artillery's,... hehe

Several different versions of the story...

For the air force, the acquisition of an additional four combat utility helicopters, four surface attack aircraft, six close air support aircraft, and one long range patrol aircraft, including an air surveillance radar were proposed.

Philippine Daily Inquirer (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20110127-316899/Military-needs-P42B-in-next-5-years-to-upgrade-House-told)

For the Air Force, its wish list consists of four combat utility helicopters worth P1.4 billion; four surface attack aircraft for P5 billion; six close air support aircraft for P3.16 billion; one long range patrol aircraft for P2.4 billion; and air surveillance radar for P2.3 billion

The Philippine Star (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=651787&publicationSubCategoryId=63)

For the Air Force, the items in the shopping list include four units of combat helicopters, four units of surface attack aircraft and lead-in fighter trainers, six units of close air support aircraft, a long-range patrol aircraft and an air surveillance radar.

There will be no fighter jets until 2016 because if you will rely on the Philippine Star news report the PAF plans to purchase fighter jet trainers first since they already have brand new turboprop trainers - the SF260. The close air support aircraft will be the night capable attack helicopters which was canceled and a 3rd rebid is expected while the surface attack aircraft will be the attack planes or light bombers like the OV-10. The long range patrol aircraft will be the maritime patrol aircraft similar to the P3 Orion.

The Philippine Army plans to acquire 110 infantry fighting vehicles or tracked armored personnel carriers worth P6.6 billion for one mechanized brigade according to the Philippine Daily Inquirer but according to the Philippines Star it will be 110 units of infantry fighting vehicles. An infantry fighting vehicle is different from a tracked armored personnel carrier. In the Philippine Army's current inventory they have the AIFV as the infantry fighting vehicle and the M113 and the ACV300 as the tracked armored personnel carrier.

The 4.5 billion strategic sealift vessel that the Philippine Navy plans to acquire is the same MRV project that was reported last year and opposed by a congressman for being "armless".

spearhead

January 27th, 2011, 12:47 PM

^^Well i hope this is enough to equip all the marines, scout rangers, and spec ops units with night vision goggles w/ thermal scopes.

Simple Dude

January 27th, 2011, 03:47 PM

There will be no fighter jets until 2016 because if you will rely on the Philippine Star news report the PAF plans to purchase fighter jet trainers first since they already have brand new turboprop trainers - the SF260. The close air support aircraft will be the night capable attack helicopters which was canceled and a 3rd rebid is expected while the surface attack aircraft will be the attack planes or light bombers like the OV-10. The long range patrol aircraft will be the maritime patrol aircraft similar to the P3 Orion.

The Philippine Army plans to acquire 110 infantry fighting vehicles or tracked armored personnel carriers worth P6.6 billion for one mechanized brigade according to the Philippine Daily Inquirer but according to the Philippines Star it will be 110 units of infantry fighting vehicles. An infantry fighting vehicle is different from a tracked armored personnel carrier. In the Philippine Army's current inventory they have the AIFV as the infantry fighting vehicle and the M113 and the ACV300 as the tracked armored personnel carrier.

The 4.5 billion strategic sealift vessel that the Philippine Navy plans to acquire is the same MRV project that was reported last year and opposed by a congressman for being "armless".

^^ thanks for informing me... :okay: and what i aslo mean is we need more armored vehicles... what they did for the air force was actually good... but an air force w/o any jet fighters sucks.... our skies will remain defenseless until 2016, which i cannot do anything about it coz im not even serving the military... i mean we can always start with small numbers,... its also nice to know that their planning to add 110 units of infantry fighting vehicle... any idea what kind of vehicle they might acquire? The MRV project is a very good project, coz it has many roles to play...

Simple Dude

January 27th, 2011, 03:49 PM

^^Well i hope this is enough to equip all the marines, scout rangers, and spec ops units with night vision goggles w/ thermal scopes.

^^ yah, i also hope through time were having a strong military power...

Simple Dude

January 27th, 2011, 04:16 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-1LUisek1o

L-51 "Galicia" Landing Platform Dock of the Spanish Navy...

Simple Dude

January 27th, 2011, 04:21 PM

Baka me magreklamo na naman na si GMA ang me kasalanan ng lahat kung bakit palpak ang AFP. :lol:

Kelangan simulan na ni PNoy ang pag disburse ng military budget, unahin na yung mainam na pagkain at housing ng mga sundalo. Naalala ko yung ka batch ko, ang bilis ng promotion niya to major dahil pinadala siya sa Mindanao, pero ang hirap naman ng budget nila sa pagkain, pinapagkasya na lang ng isang opisyal ang pagkain sa isang batalyon na para lang yata sa isang company lamang. When Erap became president, medyo astig sila, sila pa binibigyan ng mga pagkain ng mga taga barrio. After that, natigil na promotion niya kaya balik Manila na lang siya hanggang nag retire dahil sa sakit niya.

^^ hirap talaga ng buhay sundalo... and yah, Eraps times was good... coz the he is trying to give their needs like foods, housing and education for their children... it also increase soldiers morale in battle,...

Alinghi

January 27th, 2011, 05:26 PM

so we'll have more of these AIFV's.. sana Bradley's or Rosomak's kunin nila

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/pinoylumix/wor_phils.jpg

Simple Dude

January 27th, 2011, 05:51 PM

^^ ahh... wait,... parang may naalala ako ah,... i remember this IFV's... parang may balak ata yung Military na dagdagan ang mga to,... this vehicles are from Turkey and we ordered a small number of these... 110 of these vehicles, is not bad but i really hope na hindi lahat nang IFV's na bibilhin nila ay mga ganito sana may Rosomak's din, or mostly Rosomak's :)

Alinghi

January 27th, 2011, 06:04 PM

these are basically M-113 chassis' fitted with a few modifications. ACV-300 from Turkey

spearhead

January 27th, 2011, 10:13 PM

^^Rosomak?

http://wartechnology.ovh.org/pages/bron_obecna/rosomak/rosomak1.jpg

Alinghi

January 28th, 2011, 03:31 AM

Rosomak indeed... with the amphibian propellers at the back

Maxxclip

January 28th, 2011, 03:37 AM

AFP-A Fundraising Program?

Trillanes vs Reyes: It’s payback time

MANILA, Philippines—What goes around, comes around.

Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV finally got back at his former superior, grilling him over complaints of massive corruption in the military, which precipitated the Oakwood uprising of 2003.

A former mutineer, Trillanes blew his top over repeated complaints by former Defense Secretary Angelo Reyes that his name was being damaged by allegations that he pocketed at least P150 million during his stint as military chief of staff.

“If you are so concerned about your name, you should have fixed yourself while you were in office!” an angry Trillanes thundered in the middle of the Senate blue ribbon committee hearing Thursday.

“This is the time of reckoning. You better find very good lawyers.”

The confrontation was unusual for graduates of the Philippine Military Academy (PMA), whose respect for seniority endures even way beyond their careers in the armed services.

Trillanes, who led the takeover by rebel soldiers of the Oakwood hotel in Makati City in 2003, was Reyes’ junior at the PMA by more than 20 years.

Rabusa commended

Trillanes commended retired Col. George Rabusa for his statements at the committee hearing about how Reyes and other top military officials allegedly amassed millions from government coffers.

“You know, this issue is very personal to me and to my group,” he told Reyes, recalling his stint as a member of the Magdalo group of mutineers.

“We were incarcerated for more than seven years and during those times, all of you claimed that our allegations were baseless. Then here comes (Colonel) Rabusa, who, by the way, I would like to thank for coming out, for having the courage to stand up.”

Reyes’ request

Reyes denied Rabusa’s allegations and repeatedly asked senators to allow him to directly question his former subordinate. A resource person is not normally allowed in Senate hearings to address a fellow guest.

“Can I ask Colonel Rabusa, if, during the time that I was chief of staff, if I became greedy? Did I ask him for anything? Did I demand money from him, officially or unofficially?” Reyes said in Filipino.

Sen. Jinggoy Estrada rebuffed him: “This is not an issue of greed. The issue is if you collected money, if you were corrupt as chief (of staff) of the Armed Forces. Who cares if you were generous?”

Function delegated

When he was finally allowed by Sen. Teofisto Guingona III, committee chair, Reyes asked Rabusa if he ever interfered in the preparation and distribution of the “provisions for command-directed activities” fund—the supposed source of loot in the AFP.

Rabusa said Reyes was telling the truth in this respect, but reminded his former boss: “No, sir, because you delegated the function to me and (retired Lt.) Gen. (Jacinto) Ligot (former comptroller).”

“The instruction that I heard directly from you before was, ‘Wag nyo lang akong papirmahin ng alanganin (Just don’t make me sign anything that would get me into trouble),’” he said.

Reyes replied: “This amount that you said you gave me, did I ask it from you?” Rabusa answered that Reyes did not, but was cut by Guingona, who said the hearing should not be turned into a “debate session.”

Money in vaults

During his stint as budget officer, Rabusa said he was tasked to handle so much money that he had to store the money in several vaults in his office. He said he was authorized to distribute amounts to commanders who would come to him.

Rabusa said he later sought Reyes’ permission to open an account for the funds. He said he eventually opened one under his name at a Security Bank branch in Makati City.

He said the deposit reached around P200 million before he decided to withdraw them at P10 million monthly later. He said he feared he might get caught by the just-created Anti-Money Laundering Council.

Rabusa appeared in the hearing only because he was approached by Estrada’s lawyer a few days ago.

waraywaray architect

January 28th, 2011, 05:08 AM

The pledge came from US Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs Kurt Campbell on the first day of an inaugural security dialogue between the two allies.

"One of the subjects for discussions tomorrow will be the bilateral steps that (we) can take to increase the Philippines' maritime capacity," Campbell said.

This would enhance the Philippine navy's capacity to police its waters, he told a joint news conference.

"We think this is a critical component of our partnership. Much of this work is already underway and we seek to intensify it in the months and years ahead," he said without giving details.

Let's see what it is...

jpdm

January 28th, 2011, 12:09 PM

greenice

January 28th, 2011, 12:43 PM

kelan kaya mapapa sa atin 'to..

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jpdm

January 28th, 2011, 01:26 PM

Kung ibebenta ng 1 million pesos plus repair worth 1 million din. Kunin natin itong pinagbulukan ng US. Ayon sa PR 1960s pa ito at na-upgrade lang ng mga 1980s.

Bulok pA RIN.

kalbongdad

January 28th, 2011, 02:07 PM

i read in philstar just this pm....about the u.s. fully supporting ph sa south china sea.....something about joint patrols....suddenly....interested na naman ang us bastard sa mga pinoy idiots....dahils sa perceived threat ng china.....gagamitin na nman tayo ng mga kano na pawn pangkontra sa mga intsik....at papayag naman tayo....may magagawa kaya sa pnoy.....kagaya ng pagsuwag ni little evil gloria sa kano ng kumalas ito sa coalition of the willing....:lol:....hmmm remains to be seen.....the plot thickens....

LAPDRN

January 28th, 2011, 03:15 PM

Arvor

January 28th, 2011, 03:18 PM

Kunin natin itong pinagbulukan ng US. Ayon sa PR 1960s pa ito at na-upgrade lang ng mga 1980s.

Bulok pA RIN.

Bulok ? done a visual inspection ?, first of all these vessels are still in US service they are not for sale and they are not in mothball or fleet reserve, we are asking them to sell us a vessel they did not come to offer us anything in this story .

2nd the first ship of the class was comissioned in 1967 the rest were progressively comissioned up until the 1970's and aside from Singapore the largest capital ships of all our neighbours including Taiwan are of the same vintage !, we can play semantics and can just aswell say these ships are from the 70's .

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suddenly....interested na naman ang us bastard sa mga pinoy idiots....dahils sa perceived threat ng china.....gagamitin na nman tayo ng mga kano na pawn pangkontra sa mga intsik....at papayag naman tayo....may magagawa kaya sa pnoy

What is the alternative ?, if the Americans feel the Chinese are a threat and are willing to help us out in the process then that's actually our good fortune because the Chinese are a threat to us and we need all the help we can get .

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We should be friendly with China. If they attack us, USA cannot do anything, We are on our own. USA is just using us. They are just full of blah, blah, blah.

China is already occupying part of our territory and they seem to even want Palawan and our northern islands, just how much appeasement do you want until they ask for the northern half of Luzon ? .

China says that because a few hundred years ago some of their fishermen landed there that the Spratleys belong to them, a few hundred years ago the Chinese pirate Limahong tried to invade Manila thankfully the people of the region decided to fight, they were forced to flee to Pangasinan where they declared their own "Chinese pirate kingdom" before the Spaniards finally attacked them, the Chinese can say that since Chinamen settled Pangasinan and since the pirates intermingled with the locals that it belongs to them, they can also say that since the Ifugao are related to the Miao people of southern China that the Ilocoses and Mountain provinces or basically the entire northern half of Luzon belongs to them, these flimsy excuses are all they need to expand their territorial claims .

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2007/12/23/2003393815

The Batanes Islands, controlled by the Philippines, are a territorial problem left over from the colonial period. When Spain and the US signed the Treaty of Paris in 1898, the islands were not adequately addressed and this led to irresolution.
Taiwan challenges the Philippines' possession of the Batanes Islands for the same reasons that it challenges Manila's claim to the Spratly Islands.

Furthermore Taiwan has claims to some of our Batanes islands, Taiwan of course is too busy keeping China at bay and requires good PR on their side vs China to take those islands by force, but if China succeeds in retaking Taiwan they will inherit those claims and they unlike Taiwan would have the means and desire to take them, so you have to understand that appeasement today would lead to bigger problems down the road ... .

And actually the only reason why these other countries feel bold enough to occupy the Spratleys and not our other islands is because the Spratleys are not part of our mutual defence treaty agreement with the US, they know that everything else is part of that treaty .

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Just to repeat this because some people might get the wrong idea, the USCG designate their large vessels as "cutters" even if those vessels are of the same weight class as frigates due to their services tradition, it does not say anything about the size of the vessel or its potential or even its capabilities it merely denotes a historical role .

Simple Dude

January 28th, 2011, 05:41 PM

kelan kaya mapapa sa atin 'to..

WoELxzdB0mE&feature=related

^^ i think in the middle of 2011... uhm i hope our navy will really improve its capabilities by adding up missile systems & anti-submarines in here and acquire a suitable helicopter for the ship... :)

Alinghi

January 28th, 2011, 05:47 PM

i'm intrigued with what the US can offer to us aside from that Hammy

it could be some Oliver Hazard-Perry's

Simple Dude

January 28th, 2011, 05:48 PM

^^ Chinese people are just making excuses just to expand its territories... maybe sooner or later their going to claim the whole Philippines as their province,... :lol: kidding aside but we really have to guard our territories 1st and maintain peace and order... we also used to be like China way back Marcos times coz we wanna reclaim Sabah back and in fact we have all evidences that it was really our land before...

Simple Dude

January 28th, 2011, 05:58 PM

i'm intrigued with what the US can offer to us aside from that Hammy

it could be some Oliver Hazard-Perry's

^^ haha yah... but anyway, wala tayong magagawa bilang ordinaryong mamamayan... nasa gobyerno parin ang desisyon.... :ohno: if nag patuloy pa sana military superiority natin tulad ng dati, i think well have our own hardware now... pero sa mga panahon na'to di nga halos napapansin ng lubos yung homemade vehicles and weapons natin eh like the FERFRANS... parang di gaanong pinapansin...

kalbongdad

January 28th, 2011, 11:47 PM

Bulok ? done a visual inspection ?, first of all these vessels are still in US service they are not for sale and they are not in mothball or fleet reserve, we are asking them to sell us a vessel they did not come to offer us anything in this story .

2nd the first ship of the class was comissioned in 1967 the rest were progressively comissioned up until the 1970's and aside from Singapore the largest capital ships of all our neighbours including Taiwan are of the same vintage !, we can play semantics and can just aswell say these ships are from the 70's .

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What is the alternative ?, if the Americans feel the Chinese are a threat and are willing to help us out in the process then that's actually our good fortune because the Chinese are a threat to us and we need all the help we can get .

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China is already occupying part of our territory and they seem to even want Palawan and our northern islands, just how much appeasement do you want until they ask for the northern half of Luzon ? .

China says that because a few hundred years ago some of their fishermen landed there that the Spratleys belong to them, a few hundred years ago the Chinese pirate Limahong tried to invade Manila thankfully the people of the region decided to fight, they were forced to flee to Pangasinan where they declared their own "Chinese pirate kingdom" before the Spaniards finally attacked them, the Chinese can say that since Chinamen settled Pangasinan and since the pirates intermingled with the locals that it belongs to them, they can also say that since the Ifugao are related to the Miao people of southern China that the Ilocoses and Mountain provinces or basically the entire northern half of Luzon belongs to them, these flimsy excuses are all they need to expand their territorial claims .

Furthermore Taiwan has claims to some of our Batanes islands, Taiwan of course is too busy keeping China at bay and requires good PR on their side vs China to take those islands by force, but if China succeeds in retaking Taiwan they will inherit those claims and they unlike Taiwan would have the means and desire to take them, so you have to understand that appeasement today would lead to bigger problems down the road ... .

And actually the only reason why these other countries feel bold enough to occupy the Spratleys and not our other islands is because the Spratleys are not part of our mutual defence treaty agreement with the US, they know that everything else is part of that treaty .

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Just to repeat this because some people might get the wrong idea, the USCG designate their large vessels as "cutters" even if those vessels are of the same weight class as frigates due to their services tradition, it does not say anything about the size of the vessel or its potential or even its capabilities it merely denotes a historical role .

ang lagay na yan ay bago na sayo an 1970s....:lol: that is more than 30 years old.....mas matanda pa ata sayo yan....kidding aside....we do not need big ships what we need are missiles dahil yun technology ngayon mga sitting ducks na ang mga barko.....wag na tayong magpagamit sa mga kano....napatunayan na natin na sariling interes lang ng mga ito ang isinusulong nila...pupulutin ka pagkailangan ibabasura ka pag wala ka ng silbi sa kanila.....sana i-prioritize naman ang defense ngayon.....ang pagbili ng mga air and sea assets....na matino.....

jpdm

January 29th, 2011, 02:34 AM

Bulok ? done a visual inspection ?, first of all these vessels are still in US service they are not for sale and they are not in mothball or fleet reserve, we are asking them to sell us a vessel they did not come to offer us anything in this story .

2nd the first ship of the class was comissioned in 1967 the rest were progressively comissioned up until the 1970's and aside from Singapore the largest capital ships of all our neighbours including Taiwan are of the same vintage !, we can play semantics and can just aswell say these ships are from the 70's .

Just confirmed that they are not only bulok but super bulok indeed. :lol::nuts::cheers:

40-43 years old? Di ba bulok na nga yun? Ikaw ba na-inspeksyon muna yung mga lumang hamilton class na yun?

Wag na nga tayong maglokohan dito.

Marami paring utak magbobote sa military. Siguro may kickback na naman dito. Dami pa ring utak Angelo Reyes na niloloko ang taong bayan at winawaldas pera ng bayan.

Pnoy should tell Gazmin to instruct those stupid Generals in the military to stop buying old rickety ships and armaments and instead buy new ones.

Anyway, read this article so that you will be enlightened.

Why is the Navy still buying used or old ships?

SHOOTING STRAIGHT
By Bobit S. Avila
(The Philippine Star)
Updated January 29, 2011

Just a couple of weeks ago President Benigno “Noynoy” Aquino III vowed to give his special support to the Philippine Navy (PN) when he installed its new chief, Rear Admiral Alexander Pama. Well, this week Admiral Pama announced that the Navy was getting a used 380-foot Hamilton Class cutter that the US Coast Guard fleet uses.

The Navy chief said that acquiring this vessel would boost the Philippines’ capability to patrol its archipelago. Come now, I’d believe it if the Navy was getting at least 10 of these vessels, but I think we are only getting one because even those old cutters are so expensive, and we can afford to purchase only one of them.

Here we go again… buying old ships that come from the US. I tell you, it is a shame for us to use such a vessel which by the way was constructed in 1965 and commissioned in 1967!

That vessel is at least 44 years old, older than the men who would man them! This means it would spend more time for maintenance work than doing patrols.

Remember the three Peacock Class Corvettes we got from Hong Kong (renamed the Jacinto Class for the Philippine Navy), at least they entered the service of the Royal Navy in 1983, hence they are relatively new as compared to the Hamilton Class cutters, although they are very much slower and with lesser armaments.

When the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) sold Fort Bonifacio, it was with the promise that it would trigger the modernization of our military. Perhaps Admiral Pama should be told that we Filipinos wouldn’t feel proud that we have a used US Coast Guard cutter that would be the flagship of the Philippine Navy.

Right now, we do not even know how much this thing would cost the Navy… all we got is a report that says, “Negotiations are still ongoing.” Last November President P-Noy was in Balamban for the launching of the 287-meter bulk carrier “Tenshu Maru,” the biggest vessel ever built by the Tsuneishi Cebu Heavy Industries.

P-Noy knows that we have the capability to build our Navy ships and spur our economy.

Alas, he still doesn’t get it and would rather buy old Navy ships instead of building smaller, but more efficient and brand new seacraft.

jpdm

January 29th, 2011, 02:47 AM

Old article but will enlightened some people here who believes in the bulok system in the military of buying bulok hardwares from the US. Just imagine a bulok OV-10 now a bulok cutter?

Cebu can build ships for the Philippine Navy!

SHOOTING STRAIGHT
By Bobit S. Avila
(The Philippine Star)
Updated January 07, 2011

The Philippine Navy has a new chief in the person of Rear Admiral Alexander Pama who assumed command of the Philippine Navy (PN) a couple of days ago and he vowed to improve whatever needs to be improved in the PN.

No less than President Benigno “P-Noy” Aquino III vowed to support the Navy under the leadership of Adm. Pama and from my understanding, there is a meeting today at the Defense Department where the Armed Services would get a crack at how to slice the Defense budget pie and Adm. Pama is confident that he could get first crack into this.

The problem of the Philippine Navy is simply the old and decrepit Navy vessels many of which were hand-me-downs from our western allies.

We even have I think two of the Peacock Class British frigates that were assigned Hong Kong, which we got from the British during the turnover of Hong Kong to China. This is why the Navy has become the butt of jokes that we have a Navy without any ships! Hence we can no longer protect our territorial coastline even if the new Navy chief vowed to do so!

Our problem perhaps is that the Navy top brass (before the time of Adm. Pama) wanted a high seas big ship Navy, which we just cannot afford nor do we need.:bash::bash::bash:

We are an archipelagic nation and boasts a coastline longer than that of the United States and we have many islets where there are very shallow waters, so what the Navy really needs are fast crafts that can ply those shallow waters.

Unless the current top brass decides what kind of vessels they want for the Navy, I doubt if we can see new ships in the coming year, not even next year after Adm. Pama retires. Incidentally, when President Aquino came to Cebu for the first time as President, he choppered to Balamban to inaugurate a new bulk carrier at the Tsuneishi Shipyard.

Just beside it is the mothballed FBMA Marine, Inc. which used to make high-tech vessels like the SuperCat fast crafts that was sold to the Hong Kong-Macau route, specialized Roll-on, Roll-off fast craft vessels to the Netherlands and even to the Orkneys in England, including two Sea Slice high-tech SWATH (Small Waterplane Area Twin Hull) vessel designed by Lockheed Martin which now operates in the Gulf of Mexico to replace the helicopter shuttles as they are cheaper to operate even in 10-ft. swells.

This is exactly what the Philippine Navy needs and we can build them here in Cebu.

The problem in the past is corruption. I gathered that procurement officials of the Defense establishment were shared with a very small clique who preferred to purchase foreign vessels.

While these are just rumours, you know, when there’s smoke there must be a fire somewhere. But the bottom line is, FBMA Marine can build any naval craft that our Navy wants and best of all, it creates jobs for our people. If the British Navy buys such vessels from us... if the US Navy’s Sea Slice can be built here, I can’t find any reason why the Philippine Navy would look elsewhere?

I dare say, let’s strengthen our domestic capability to make our own military hardware.

Israel is a tiny or miniscule nation with only six million people, yet their arms technology is highly prized, even their sworn enemies like the Muslim Jihadists would love to get hold of the weapons they make.

I envision that someday, the Philippines won’t need to purchase military hardware from abroad, if only we awaken to the realities that the Filipino can do this right at home. Hopefully, the heads of the Defense Department have imprinted in their minds that we can make ships built in Balamban.

waraywaray architect

January 29th, 2011, 04:13 AM

No wonder yung modernization ng AFP ay malaking kapalpakan. Dahil sa mga KAWATAN na mga heneral at iba pang opisyal sa AFP!

kalbongdad

January 29th, 2011, 05:23 AM

sayang talaga ang mga research and dev't sa panahon ni makoy.....yung missile dev't yung trucks, yung cali jet....yung navy vessel...kahit maliit dito naman gawa......why is it that we don't want have confidence in our capability....ang ibang bayan ang nakikinabang sa talino at kakayahan ng ating mga ofws.....what a waste....

Simple Dude

January 29th, 2011, 11:08 AM

^^ yah, exactly,... tataas pa sana yung morale at pride ng mga sundalo natin lalo na kung dito ginawa yung mga yan,... why do i have to be in a Nation full to Evil leaders,... sometimes im thinking of being an assassin,... killing those corrupt officials... sayang talaga lahat na yun... ngayon mahirap na ulitin ang mga panahong yun... do you guys think we still have a chance to be a better country living with these corrupt officials everywhere?? even how hard we try if the government will still be corrupt there is no future here. no wonder more and more filipino's wants to get out the country... mga officials nga gustong gusto mag karoon ng properties sa abroad ... Donated 2 OV-10's a museum piece sounds funny for me,... and i cant say its bad, well its better than nothing... if before we can still afford brand new state-of-the-art aircraft's like the F-5's and Uh-1's at their times, now many of those are just donated and even have trouble buying 2nd hand's... we should have a good military hardware by now if we just continued supporting those innovations....

Simple Dude

January 29th, 2011, 11:23 AM

Why is the Navy still buying used or old ships?

SHOOTING STRAIGHT
By Bobit S. Avila
(The Philippine Star)
Updated January 29, 2011

Just a couple of weeks ago President Benigno “Noynoy” Aquino III vowed to give his special support to the Philippine Navy (PN) when he installed its new chief, Rear Admiral Alexander Pama. Well, this week Admiral Pama announced that the Navy was getting a used 380-foot Hamilton Class cutter that the US Coast Guard fleet uses.

The Navy chief said that acquiring this vessel would boost the Philippines’ capability to patrol its archipelago. Come now, I’d believe it if the Navy was getting at least 10 of these vessels, but I think we are only getting one because even those old cutters are so expensive, and we can afford to purchase only one of them.

Here we go again… buying old ships that come from the US. I tell you, it is a shame for us to use such a vessel which by the way was constructed in 1965 and commissioned in 1967!

That vessel is at least 44 years old, older than the men who would man them! This means it would spend more time for maintenance work than doing patrols.

Remember the three Peacock Class Corvettes we got from Hong Kong (renamed the Jacinto Class for the Philippine Navy), at least they entered the service of the Royal Navy in 1983, hence they are relatively new as compared to the Hamilton Class cutters, although they are very much slower and with lesser armaments.

When the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) sold Fort Bonifacio, it was with the promise that it would trigger the modernization of our military. Perhaps Admiral Pama should be told that we Filipinos wouldn’t feel proud that we have a used US Coast Guard cutter that would be the flagship of the Philippine Navy.

Right now, we do not even know how much this thing would cost the Navy… all we got is a report that says, “Negotiations are still ongoing.” Last November President P-Noy was in Balamban for the launching of the 287-meter bulk carrier “Tenshu Maru,” the biggest vessel ever built by the Tsuneishi Cebu Heavy Industries.

P-Noy knows that we have the capability to build our Navy ships and spur our economy.

Alas, he still doesn’t get it and would rather buy old Navy ships instead of building smaller, but more efficient and brand new seacraft.

^^ i agree with everything here,... 1 ship will not really boost our naval capabilities protecting our huge archipelago... if we buy here in our own country... we can have more and brand new ships and more cheaper rather than buying old expensive foreign ships,... :cheers:

Alinghi

January 29th, 2011, 12:22 PM

Hanjin Shipyard meron sa Subic.. Hanjin also makes warships for the South Korean Navy way back in the K. Peninsula from PKM's to Frigates, so i'm pretty sure they can make it here kahit VLCC ang specialty nila sa Subic, it's just a matter of training the Pinoy workers there.. we should reach out to these MNC's para naman ma exploit natin yung mga busineness interests nila sa ating bansa.. tayo naman ang hihingi ng pabor ngayon hindi lang palaging sila

Arvor

January 29th, 2011, 01:09 PM

that is more than 30 years old.....mas matanda pa ata sayo yan....

Yes they are older than me

we do not need big ships what we need are missiles dahil yun technology ngayon mga sitting ducks na ang mga barko.....

Kailangan natin ng big ships dahil gaya ng sabi ko b4 small ships do not have the ability to do long patrols in deep ocean, different vessels have different roles and capabilities .

wag na tayong magpagamit sa mga kano....napatunayan na natin na sariling interes lang ng mga ito ang isinusulong nila...pupulutin ka pagkailangan ibabasura ka pag wala ka ng silbi sa kanila.....

I agree with you to a point pero kailangan ng realism this is just the world we live in even the Japanese and S.Koreans who have larger economies, industry and military power have to accept these realities but also do try to use the US to their advantage aswell, it is not a one way deal it us up to us to learn modern geopolitics but our country barely has any foreign policy to speak of .

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40-43 years old? Di ba bulok na nga yun? Ikaw ba na-inspeksyon muna yung mga lumang hamilton class na yun?

Any ship can have rust whitin the first year if they are not cared for, well maintained ships can serve for a long time it depends more on material fatigue and how a ship is taken cared of .

Perhaps Admiral Pama should be told that we Filipinos wouldn’t feel proud that we have a used US Coast Guard cutter that would be the flagship of the Philippine Navy.

Maybe if the Filipino people knew more about the issue ? as ive explained the words coast guard and cutter does not say much about the vessel, how many Filipinos even know the etymology of the word "cutter" and why its used ? .

We are an archipelagic nation and boasts a coastline longer than that of the United States and we have many islets where there are very shallow waters, so what the Navy really needs are fast crafts that can ply those shallow waters.

This author is making rather ignorant comments he does not even understand that our EEZ extends far beyond our shallow inter island waters, this isnt even where we would need a naval force it is in the deep waters that extend far beyond the horizons where illegal vessels of other nations are taking advantage of our absence to pillage our ressources or to dump toxic waste etc, as ive mentioned many times different types and sized vessels play different roles small vessels could never do the job that large vessels are required for, youd think that the Japanese navy which has a similar requirement and concerns as we do would only have small vessels ... .

FBMA Marine can build any naval craft that our Navy wants

Sure let's see a design for a modern frigate from them and their price offer ? .

A modern frigate or destroyer cost upwards of 300 million $ to close to a billion $ .

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http://wpcontent.answcdn.com/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Japan_Exclusive_Economic_Zones.png/300px-Japan_Exclusive_Economic_Zones.png
Japans EEZ

Under the law of the sea, an exclusive economic zone (EEZ) is a seazone over which a state has special rights over the exploration and use of marine resources. It stretches from the seaward edge of the state's territorial sea out to 200 nautical miles from its coast. In casual usage, the term may include the territorial sea and even the continental shelf beyond the 200 mile limit.

http://www.buzzen.com/files/pictures/img_169513_1_108.jpg

Phillippine EEZ whitin this territory all ressources and economic activity belongs to the country, patrolling this territory requires large vessels that can persist at sea or on station for a long time, these waters are filled with all sorts of ressources and a singular large catch of fish by illegal fishermen from foreign nations and their trawlers could make millions of $ worth of profit, ressources that is being robbed from our people and industry everyday because we are unable to keep up a credible presence, and thats not the worst of it we do not even know if the Chinese or others are dumping nuclear and other toxic wastes inside our EEZ .

Our people need to seriously learn about our geography because i doubt many understand or even care about anything past their barangay, to say that we only need "small boats" is to automatically give up a huge swath of territory and ressources the idea that "out of sight is out of mind" is simply misguided .

LAPDRN

January 29th, 2011, 03:36 PM

Alinghi

January 29th, 2011, 04:06 PM

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/pinoylumix/img_psk01.jpg

Hanjin in Subic can make this for us

Hanjin Naval Ships (http://www.hanjinsc.com/eng/biz/ship/psk.aspx)

gaLj

January 29th, 2011, 04:25 PM

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/pinoylumix/img_psk01.jpg

Hanjin in Subic can make this for us

Hanjin Naval Ships (http://www.hanjinsc.com/eng/biz/ship/psk.aspx)

AFP Officials : We'll wait patiently till S.Korea donate these babies to us

Alinghi

January 29th, 2011, 04:37 PM

AFP Officials : We'll wait patiently till S.Korea donate these babies to us

with the 4x Exocet missile launchers to be taken off the ship prior to delivery :bash: :bash: :bash:

gaLj

January 29th, 2011, 04:55 PM

with the 4x Exocet missile launchers to be taken off the ship prior to delivery :bash: :bash: :bash:

That's part of the PSEUDO-modernization process :nuts:

Arvor

January 29th, 2011, 05:19 PM

Harpoon and or Exocet missiles unit costs are around 1-2 million++ $

gaLj

January 29th, 2011, 06:09 PM

Harpoon and or Exocet missiles unit costs are around 1-2 million++ $

We can afford one, but it's our Officials, who would rather settle for donations (excess articles) than to procure it.

Simple Dude

January 29th, 2011, 08:33 PM

^^^^

Patrol gunboat is latest addition to Navy’s inventory
By: CAPT GIOVANNI CARLO J BACORDO PN(GSC)
Acting Director, Naval Public Affairs Office

A newly upgraded patrol gunboat is the latest addition to the Navy’s floating assets. The Philippine Navy welcomed this morning, 04 January 2011, PKM 223, a Chamsuri class patrol vessel used by the South Korean Navy in the 1970s.

The upgrade of the vessel which is covered by the AFP Modernization Program includes the installation of communications equipment, replacement of old engines, and enhancement of electrical and auxiliary machinery. The vessel renamed as BRP Emilio S Liwanag (PG 118) has a maximum speed of 31 knots and is capable of the following: surface and air action against enemy forces; interdiction patrol; sealift of platoon size troops with full combat gears in the conduct of ISO; search and rescue within territorial waters; transport of personnel, cargo and civic action operations.

Leading the rites at the Navy Headquarters this morning, 04 January 2010 was Secretary Voltaire T Gazmin witnessed by officers and personnel of the Philippine Navy, together with Mrs Emilia Liwanag Hilado, daughter of the late Capt Emilio Liwanag.

Capt Liwanag born in 1911 in Dagupan City, Pangasinan graduated from the PMA in 1933. He served in the harbor defense force during the Battle of Bataan in World War II. He was awarded the Legion of Merit for services in the Philippine liaison office with the UN Command during the Korean War on 07 October 1952.

Also taking place in the morning was the blessing of the Hall of Flags and Commander’s Lounge. The newly-constructed Hall of Flags showcases the various standards of the Navy’s Fleet-Marine units and will also serve as receiving area for command visitors. The Commander’s Lounge meanwhile will be used as function area for senior officers during conferences and gatherings.

Posted: Jan-03-2011

http://www.navy.mil.ph/news.php?news_id=249

waraywaray architect

January 29th, 2011, 09:18 PM

We do not need to buy military hardwares from other countries. Our country is capable of building it's own. We still have the western mentality, were we can build our own. That's why most Filipinos are all abroad. Their skills and talent are being use by other countries. I do not know why we have a corrupt government.

There's a lot of answers to your questions. I agree with you that the country needs to start figuring out how to build military ships, etc. now. But in the meantime, the country needs to upgrade its fleet of ships and air force. The only way to do that is to procure military hardwares from foreign countries. Kaya lang, kinurakot ng mga gagong heneral and pera na dapat sana dyan sa modernization. On the other hand, the reason why filipinos work abroad is because it's the only way they can find better income. And there's no problem about that. In fact they've contributed to the local economy and at the same time helped their families. Lastly, the reason why corruption is rampant in the government? Probably two things (or more), first, they are paid very little, that's why they are tempted to steal. Second, the ordinary people have made it a kind of business as usual mentality that they just tolerate it, and even become part of it. Just look at the "lagay" system, the buying of votes during election, the bribery to speed up processing of documents in the government, etc. If the people start saying NO to these things, probably the corruption will be lesser.

lochinvar

January 29th, 2011, 10:54 PM

Another corruption scandal, straight from Lt. Col. Rabusa. I'm fed up with this generals.

spearhead

January 30th, 2011, 01:45 AM

There's a lot of answers to your questions. I agree with you that the country needs to start figuring out how to build military ships, etc. now. But in the meantime, the country needs to upgrade its fleet of ships and air force. The only way to do that is to procure military hardwares from foreign countries. Kaya lang, kinurakot ng mga gagong heneral and pera na dapat sana dyan sa modernization. On the other hand, the reason why filipinos work abroad is because it's the only way they can find better income. And there's no problem about that. In fact they've contributed to the local economy and at the same time helped their families. Lastly, the reason why corruption is rampant in the government? Probably two things (or more), first, they are paid very little, that's why they are tempted to steal. Second, the ordinary people have made it a kind of business as usual mentality that they just tolerate it, and even become part of it. Just look at the "lagay" system, the buying of votes during election, the bribery to speed up processing of documents in the government, etc. If the people start saying NO to these things, probably the corruption will be lesser.

Actually the philippine government have already wasted 13 of non-productive years since the asian flu. The PN could have actually invested heavily in their self-reliance programs long ago only if the $316B proposed budget wasn't misused/stolen. By now we could have been building our ships in our own shipyards. I remember reading that modernization budget that slowly disappeared after Ramos had left the office.

For instance, whatever happened with those hovercraft joint projects by the philippine airforce and philippine navy? They all disappeared. Good efforts were wasted, and local skills have disappeared.

Its true we are back to ground zero, and in the meantime we have to acquire foreign made military hardwares for immediate patch up, before we can even reverse engineer them to developed our own ships, etc., because it takes time. Another option is to have joint venture projects with other foreign military contractors to develop key parts like various engines for ships, aircrafts, and even vehicles initially for military use. The rest can be fully locally designed. And since we never had any vital experience in developing heavy machineries like engine parts and rocket propulsion, we can always ask those foreigners who have vast experience in this field. This way, we can somehow revive that shelved "Sta. Barbara" project during the Marcos rule, and may even recall those local engineers who have been asked to perform and conduct those testing, and those who tried their luck in designing our very own missiles.

Well, we can always copy what other countries whom in the past had very successful stories, like china... Or just be like any other successful nations out there.

kalbongdad

January 30th, 2011, 03:47 AM

^^^^

http://www.navy.mil.ph/news.php?news_id=249

salamat little evil gloria.......sa sea assets na to....:)

Askal82

January 30th, 2011, 03:59 AM

^^ pasalamatan mo rin sya sa P50M sendoff gift kay Reyes. :lol:

kalbongdad

January 30th, 2011, 05:51 AM

^^ pasalamatan mo rin sya sa P50M sendoff gift kay Reyes. :lol:

that is another story ..... magpapasalaman di ako kay pnoy kung mapapakulong nya ang mga heneral na napatunayan nagnakaw sa bayan......:)

kalbongdad

January 30th, 2011, 05:53 AM

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/pinoylumix/img_psk01.jpg

Hanjin in Subic can make this for us

Hanjin Naval Ships (http://www.hanjinsc.com/eng/biz/ship/psk.aspx)

ganito man lang sana....ok na.....at least missile equipped.....

Arvor

January 30th, 2011, 06:35 AM

After more than eight months in captivity, at least three Filipino seafarers and their 25 colleagues regained their freedom after Africa-based pirates released their Taiwan-flagged fishing vessel this week.

The European Union Naval Task Force Somalia (EU-NAVFOR) said Saturday (Manila time) the FV Tai Yuan 227 was released from pirate control, but did not give added details.

The EU-NAVFOR said the vessel, which had a crew of 28 when it was attacked, was commandeered by pirated on May 6, 2010 about 1,300 kilometers (700 nautical miles) northeast of the Seychelles, an archipelagic nation which in turn is about 1,500 kilometers from the African mainland.

“Although direct contact with the crew has not been possible, the vessel’s owners apparently received a call from the master stating that they had been released but that they did not know why," the EU-NAVFOR said in a news release posted on its website.

The crewmembers, composed of Chinese, Vietnamese, Filipino, Kenyan and Mozambicans seafarers, were provisioned with fresh food and water by a US warship after the release, it added. The vessel is currently heading away from Somalia.

EU-NAVFOR said there was “confusion" surrounding the details of the release. It cited information as recently as Tuesday that the vessel “was suspected as being used as a pirate mothership."

The Department of Foreign Affairs earlier said the Taiwanese fishing vessel had three Filipino crewmembers.

The DFA said FV Tai Yuan 227 was seized by Somali pirates while at a fishing ground north of Seychelles. (See: Somali pirates hijack ship with three Filipinos)

“Apart from the Filipinos, also onboard are nine Chinese, Taiwanese, Kenyan and Mozambique nationals," the DFA said.

The release of the Taiwanese-flagged vessel brings down to 123 the number of Filipino seafarers on board 11 vessels still held captive by Somali pirates.—JMA/JV, GMANews.TV

I guess we can always rely on the generosity of other nations to rescue or protect Filipino ofw's and seamen in harms way overseas we do not need to have those capacities or responsibility ourselves :) .

Alinghi

January 30th, 2011, 09:56 AM

I guess we can always rely on the generosity of other nations to rescue or protect Filipino ofw's and seamen in harms way overseas we do not need to have those capacities or responsibility ourselves :) .

oo naman syempre.. we cannot be present in all corners of the world, diplomatically or militarily

Arvor

January 30th, 2011, 12:18 PM

Lol all of a sudden it's ok that we are not "self reliant" it seems ?, i think close to 100 000 Filipinos work on ships around the world at any given time perhaps more, if anyone has an interest in maritime security it should be us, the South Korean navy does have some presence in the waters of Somalia so does China and even Japan recently the South Korean navy managed to rescue one of their ships filled with S.Korean crew .

I am just highlighting reasons why we can not simply rely on "small boats" for our navy and the importance of having different types of vessels for different types of missions or roles .

spearhead

January 30th, 2011, 12:28 PM

Which type of Chamsuri Class medium patrol craft?
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/chamsuriclass/chamsuriclass3.html
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/chamsuriclass/images/3-chamsuri-class.jpg

This one?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4Ulhsnr0_Co/SU_JkdD77dI/AAAAAAAAAlk/clXj9wr9FNE/s400/20071030131606737.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4Ulhsnr0_Co/SU_KubojcjI/AAAAAAAAAls/9MwoHy-qpA0/s400/20071030094033242.jpg

With RP flag:
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/chamsuriclass/images/2-chamsuri-class.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4Ulhsnr0_Co/SU_IUerOrNI/AAAAAAAAAlU/FGeJb4k7vmg/s400/PN%27s+chamsuri+class.jpg

Alinghi

January 30th, 2011, 12:30 PM

the willingness to protect will always be there, as with any political system towards its own citizens.. it's very obvious and you don't have to tell us why we need a blue-water navy

but for the meantime while we hardly have any coins to spare in our national coffers, let's settle for the modern but effective assets before we dream about blue-water capability

Alinghi

January 30th, 2011, 12:37 PM

Which type of Chamsuri Class medium patrol craft?
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/chamsuriclass/chamsuriclass3.html
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/chamsuriclass/images/3-chamsuri-class.jpg

this is a Gumdoksuri (Yun Youngha-class) PKM

This one?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4Ulhsnr0_Co/SU_JkdD77dI/AAAAAAAAAlk/clXj9wr9FNE/s400/20071030131606737.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4Ulhsnr0_Co/SU_KubojcjI/AAAAAAAAAls/9MwoHy-qpA0/s400/20071030094033242.jpg

With RP flag:
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/chamsuriclass/images/2-chamsuri-class.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4Ulhsnr0_Co/SU_IUerOrNI/AAAAAAAAAlU/FGeJb4k7vmg/s400/PN%27s+chamsuri+class.jpg

this is the Chamsuri

Arvor

January 30th, 2011, 12:38 PM

Yeah well the navy is trying to fix the capabilities gap but instead they are criticised by some for doing so despite their meager means which you aknowledged .

Maliit nga lang ng budget tapos magiging snub pa sa choices dahil someone calls something a "cutter", personally i apllaud the navy for trying .

Alinghi

January 30th, 2011, 12:57 PM

they could have just upgraded the Jacinto-class with Exocet's or Harpoon's

this lone cutter does not sit well with the justification behind it's purchase, "this can help us beef up the patrol our EEZ", the Navy said.. with only one rickety ex. USCG cutter, can it really help? i bet the Humabon can do what the Hammy is capable of.. we need sizable numbers here, and since we already have 3 fairly-modern Jacinto-class OPV's, why don't we upgrade them instead?

Arvor

January 30th, 2011, 01:42 PM

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i bet the Humabon can do what the Hammy is capable of.. we need sizable numbers here

Well the ship will add towards the numbers game and sure why not upgrade those jacinto class aswell but they will still be quite limited in what they can do due to their size, while that vessel can do things the rest of our fleet can only dream of from its more advanced radars and battle management system to its helicopter deck, the Humabon is very limited in comparison .

Simple Dude

January 31st, 2011, 02:00 AM

Simple Dude

January 31st, 2011, 02:03 AM

^^

this is so cool,... :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOkrXimRnSc

Simple Dude

January 31st, 2011, 02:08 AM

^^ Philippine navy Recruitment video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmeNTgqi2P4

Kintoy

January 31st, 2011, 12:38 PM

175 erring cops dismissed in 6 months - Robredo

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=653029&publicationSubCategoryId=63

kalbongdad

January 31st, 2011, 01:01 PM

buti pa itong si robredo na inaayawan ni pnoy.....may performance.....:lol: kaya siguro niya ayaw kay robredo.....napapansin ang pagkakaiba nila sa performance.....

spearhead

February 1st, 2011, 03:18 PM

Tama lang yung gobyerno ang dapat sumasagot sa mga armored cars ng mga leaders nila, yang si Pnoy dapat ito nalang yung kinuha nya:

KOMBAT T98 ARMORED CAR
OxRHzN1eSi8

spearhead

February 2nd, 2011, 01:18 AM

Philippin Army Scout Ranger (Sky Diver) wind tunnel Training
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jezG6lTDpSw
jezG6lTDpSw

Panzer_18

February 2nd, 2011, 02:33 AM

Tama lang yung gobyerno ang dapat sumasagot sa mga armored cars ng mga leaders nila, yang si Pnoy dapat ito nalang yung kinuha nya:

KOMBAT T98 ARMORED CAR
OxRHzN1eSi8

^^^^:lol::lol: ... off course hindi rin mg.papahuli yung mga matataas na mga opisyales ng AFP, pwede rin ito din ang kanilang service car nila...
malay moh...

Alinghi

February 2nd, 2011, 02:42 AM

P-Noy was very prudent when he leased that armored Lexus SUV from a family member.. because if they would buy a new one, it would easily cost the govt up to Php20-M

Panzer_18

February 2nd, 2011, 02:45 AM

^^mahal na kasi ang bm's at merc's kung fully armoured na siya ehh or not armoured...
so as with lexus and infiniti (mga luxury cars galing japan)... mas menus pah ang gastos at pg.purchase nito...

xzibit31

February 2nd, 2011, 03:01 AM

P-Noy was very prudent when he leased that armored Lexus SUV from a family member.. because if they would buy a new one, it would easily cost the govt up to Php20-M

^^mahal na kasi ang bm's at merc's kung fully armoured na siya ehh or not armoured...
so as with lexus and infiniti (mga luxury cars galing japan)... mas menus pah ang gastos at pg.purchase nito...

what ever happend to the brand new armoured merc that pgma bought just before he stepped down? that was supposed to be the ride of the president. is pnoy ever using it?

Panzer_18

February 2nd, 2011, 03:20 AM

^^nope... he's not using the new mercedez benz...
he's just using his armoured landcruiser and lexus suv...

wynngd

February 2nd, 2011, 04:16 AM

grabeh... now we know why our national defense is still 50 years behind other countries...

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/02/01/11/auditor-steals-show-house-hearing-military-corruption

Alinghi

February 2nd, 2011, 06:06 AM

what ever happend to the brand new armoured merc that pgma bought just before he stepped down? that was supposed to be the ride of the president. is pnoy ever using it?

the Presidential Mercedes is problematic.. It has already been repaired 3x since it was bought

and since his own LandCruiser's meager level of ballistic protection is making the PSG very uneasy, he gave in to the requests and acquired an adequately-armored Lexus

Panzer_18

February 2nd, 2011, 06:30 AM

^^... baka secondhand yung merc.:lol:...
matanung kuh lamang yung 99 s-class saloon or 08 s-class saloon

:bash:impossible naman kung ang bagong 08 s-class saloon ang masisira ng ganun lamang...:ohno:

Simple Dude

February 2nd, 2011, 06:41 AM

We salute Heidi Mendoza

http://yfittopostblogph.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/600vera_heidimendoza.jpg?w=600

By Ellen Tordesillas

As long as there is a Heidi Mendoza, there is hope for the Filipino nation.

As astounding as the courage of Mendoza, the former state auditor who investigated the case of retired Maj. Gen. Carlos Garcia, was the refusal of Ombudsman Merceditas Gutierrez and the government prosecutors to acknowledge the evidence even if it was staring at them right in the face.

Mendoza’s testimony about the pressures she had to put up in uncovering military corruption was so moving especially when she tearfully appealed to spare her family from harm. “Maawa kayo sa akin. Maawa kayo sa mga anak ko,” she pleaded adding that in coming out she didn’t want to hurt anybody.

A daughter of a policeman, she took on the challenge of doing investigating corruption in the military “to give honor to the soldiers who risk their lives in defense of the country.”

She said it was because of “sheer disgust over the corruption in government” that she is risking her safety and that of her family by testifying in the congressional investigation. She appealed to each and every one to do his share in stomping out corruption.

Heidi related that from the very beginning when then Ombudsman Simeon Marcelo requested for her help in investigating, Acting chairman of the Commission on Audit Emmanuel Dalman gave her permission but with the advice, “Dahan-dahan lang.” When she asked for clarification, Dalman said “kasi tinawagan tayo ng Palasyo.”

Mendoza said she what she can remember of Dalman’s words of caution was it came from the office of the Executive Secretary.

Former Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita was at the hearing and he denied categorically that he gave the instruction for Mendoza to slow down in the investigation.

Heidi said her investigation covered the pension funds, the United Nation fund for peacekeepers, Balikatan, Modernization Funds. In 2005, she made a presentation to Assistant COA Commissioner Emma Espina who discouraged her from doing a report of what she has discovered.

Later it was the COA chair himself, Guillermo Carague, who told her “Don’t make the report anymore. Anyway, the Ombudsman (Marcelo) has resigned.”

She was dismayed. She asked what was she going to do with the 12 boxes of evidence she has gathered. Caraque told her: “Simple. Return the documents to where you got it.”

Since COA was not interested in her report, she made a Financial Investigation Report and submitted it to the Ombudsman. She said she never had a meeting with Gutierrez unlike during the time of Marcelo with whom she worked closely with.

Some of the irregularities that she discovered:

*P50 million of the P200 million from the U.N. in a convoluted and irregular deposit process that could not have happened without the cooperation of bank officials. Three accounts were opened at the United Coconut Planters Bank (UCPB), Alfaro branch where Ethel Bondoc was the manager . One account for P100 million, another for P50 million supposedly another fro P50 million. But the last P50 million had a passbook but not in the system.

Later on another P50 million account at the Tordesillas branch of UCPB surfaced which the AFP and UCPB said was the missing P50 million. But Mendoza said the source of that P50 million was not the P200 million.

*Discovered clearing accounts in Land Bank General Santos and Iloilo branches involving amounts as huge as $5 million.

The wife of former comptroller Lt. Gen (ret) Jacinto Ligot is from General Santos City while that of Garcia is from Iloilo.

Rep. Roilo Golez said that practice is called “floating accounts” where money can be “parked” even for a day and earn millions of pesos in interest.

Mendoza said when she went to GenSan and Iloilo to look into the “clearing” account, she was told by bank officials they were non-existent.

When Assistant Special Prosecutor Joseph Capistrano said that the UCPB and Bondoc issued a certification that the P50 million was not missing and it was found at the UCPB,Tordesillas branch, Mendoza revealed a private mail from a member of the investigating team United States Department of Justice who said that Bondoc told them the UCPB did a “cover-up” of the missing P50 million.

In the midst of all these, Gutierrez still insisted their evidence against Garcia is weak. It only shows that those who don’t want to look, will never see.

Mendoza said her appearance in the House investigation was not to convict Garcia. But she said she felt that she has no right to demand good governance from the government if she did not get out and tell the public what she knows.

She said she wants to assure the public that not all in government are corrupt.

http://ph.yfittopostblog.com/2011/02/02/we-salute-heidi-mendoza/

^^ kaya naman pala,... puro lang "study" yung nagagawa ng AFP sa modernization program,... :lol: kidding aside, but what kind of modernization do we expect with this kind of officials?? modernization of their own mansions and cars?? tsk3 :ohno: Lets all pray for her safety, i admire her courage for doing that so,... kawawa mga sundalo natin... ang laki ng battle experience at skills ang pangit naman ng mga armas, yung mga sundalo ng ibang S.E. Asian kahit walang experience sa digmaan malalakas yung mga armas tulad ng Singapore,...