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February 21st, 2011, 06:30 PM

UN: No $5-M check for AFP (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=659722&publicationSubCategoryId=63)
By Sheila Crisostomo (The Philippine Star) Updated February 22, 2011 12:00

MANILA, Philippines - The United Nations has denied giving the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) a $5-million (about P200 million) reimbursement check that supposedly did not enter the military’s coffers.

“There was no such payment,” the UN said in response to an inquiry made by the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) through the country’s permanent mission in the UN.

The DFA has forwarded the UN response to the House committee on national defense, which has launched an inquiry into the supposedly missing UN payments for costs the AFP incurred in sending peace-keeping troops abroad upon request of the international organization of nations.

The House had asked the DFA to make an inquiry following the revelations of former government auditor Heidi Mendoza that a military officer allegedly personally picked up a $5-million check for the AFP at the UN headquarters in New York City in January 2001.

Mendoza did not identify the officer nor did she name her source in her testimony before the House committee on justice.

She said the $5-million check was never recorded in the AFP books of accounts.

Appearing before the defense committee on Feb. 9, DFA Assistant Secretary Lesli Gatan said Mendoza’s story that an officer picked up a UN check was not possible.

Between 1999 and 2002, he said the UN coursed its reimbursements through the Philippine mission in New York.

Once the checks are received, they were deposited in a Land Bank account with J. P. Morgan Chase bank, he said.

He added that beginning in 2003, upon arrangements made by the AFP, checks were deposited in the military’s account with United Coconut Planters Bank (UCPB).

Gatan’s statements jibed with the testimony given by Land Bank president Gilda Pico to the justice committee, which inquired into the plea bargain which former military comptroller Carlos Garcia has signed with Ombudsman Merceditas Gutierrez.

Pico said there was no single $5-million UN reimbursement Land Bank received for the AFP.

She said the checks were deposited in J. P. Morgan Chase and then transferred to the AFP account with Land Bank-Greenhills in San Juan, Metro Manila.

Pico also denied Mendoza’s claim that the military maintained “intermediary accounts” with the Land Bank branches in General Santos City and Iloilo City.

No such accounts existed, she said.

During the Feb. 9 hearing, DFA officials also informed the defense committee that the department is keeping $3.3 million in UN reimbursements for costs incurred by Filipino soldiers in Haiti.

Consul Elmer Cato said the foreign office decided to “freeze” the payments “because of the Garcia case (on military corruption) and because of questions about deductions in the troops’ monthly allowance.”

The soldiers were supposed to receive a monthly allowance of $1,028 each, regardless of rank.

Cato did not say how much the AFP was deducting, but Muntinlupa Rep. Rodolfo Biazon, defense committee chairman, said he received reports that the troops were getting only $600, or $428 less than the amount they were entitled to.

DBM wants complete list of AFP personnel

Department of Budget and Management (DBM) Secretary Florencio Abad said his agency will get a complete list of AFP personnel as part of its safety nets to prevent conversion of funds at the AFP.

“In a meeting recently, I reminded Gen David about this. So I hope to get the list (soon),” said Abad, referring to AFP chief of staff. Lt. Gen. Ricardo David Jr.

Abad was in Catarman, Northern Samar last Friday to join the launching of the government’s Registered Nurses for Health Enhancement and Local Service and Interdepartmental Convergence for the Development of Northern Samar projects.

He said the DBM also intends to release the AFP’s budget directly to its service units like the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines among others.

“In AFP, funds will be given to the difference services, all the way down to the front line units. It would not be centrally managed,” he said.

Abad added that the DBM also wants AFP and other government agencies to post in their respective website how they will allocate and dispense the budget.

“Through this scheme, we will know how much must be set aside for the pension fund programs of the AFP and other agencies,” he added.

Asked about the Department of Health (DOH) and the Department of Education (DepEd) where conversion of funds was also allegedly being done, Abad said the DBM already has the lists of personnel from those agencies.

“If there is conversion of funds there, it’s not in the magnitude of AFP. We don’t have a list of the AFP and the Philippine National Police personnel. But for DOH and DepEd, we have as part of the government management manpower inventory system,” he said.

Drilon: Who’s behind Ligot?

Meanwhile, Sen. Franklin Drilon wants to know who could be the influential person behind ex-military Gen. Jacinto Ligot and how he was able to amass about P740-million in dollar and peso accounts during his four year stint as comptroller.

“The question is was he fronting for somebody. I could not believe that all these money was for his account,” Drilon told reporters yesterday.

The veteran lawmaker expressed belief that the deposits in Ligot’s more than 10 bank accounts in various banks could have not been all stolen from the AFP funds

“because the amount is substantial and he was only there as comptroller for two years.”

Former budget officer George Rabusa admitted that he did not know about Ligot’s accounts until it was exposed by Drilon. He said he was not yet the budget officer at the time but the amount was not suprising as he noted that some P1-billion in AFP funds were “converted” during the time he spent with former AFP chiefs Angelo Reyes, Diomedio Villanueva and Roy Cimatu.

During the Senate Blue Ribbon hearing last week, Drilon said Ligot had allegedly amassed a “staggering” P740-million despite a monthly income of P30,000 and no other source of sufficient income outside his job.

He said Ligot’s grand total of the deposit from 2001-2005 is “a staggering $8,740,742.43 and P171,258,296.25 including those in the names of Hilda Velasquez, whom you admitted is your relative, and Antonio Laurel, whom you admitted is your friend.”

Court records had shown that Ligot withdrew the amounts $8,744,901.67 and P185,665,239.67, before the accounts were frozen by the Anti-Money Laundering Council.

“And then what was frozen is about $1.3 million and P2.1 million,” Drilon said. “You know Gen. Ligot, if you compute all of these and just convert the dollar to P55 to a dollar, all of this, in four years’ time totals P740 million just in cash, excluding the real estate properties in the US mentioned by Sen. Jinggoy Estrada.”

It was at this point that Drilon castigated Gutierrez and special prosecutor Wendell Sulit for not filing any graft case against Ligot.

“Well, because no graft case has been filed, there can be no anti-money laundering case that can be filed because there is no predicate crime, which the Anti-Money Laundering Council can rely on. That is the effect of the non-filing of any graft case Madam Special Prosecutor. That’s a law,” he said.

Last weekend, Drilon lambasted Gutierrez and Sulit for an apparent “conspiracy to cover up” their tracks in the downplaying of the filing of charges against Ligot and ex-AFP comptroller Carlos Garcia, whose plea bargain agreement is being questioned by the senators. – With Christina Mendez

kalbongdad

February 21st, 2011, 06:46 PM

Just want to share this video that I made

This is a tribute video for the AFP... (Maskman Style)

wS6rvRuk-t4

I hope you might not find this too korny hahha! :bash::lol:

Link to youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS6rvRuk-t4

hahaha A for Effort.....mixed feeling...hindi ko alam kung matutuwa ako o maaawa o maiiyak......

spearhead

February 22nd, 2011, 01:51 AM

napaka-seryoso mo naman. hindi ka na mabiro. pabiro ko lang sinabi yung sa Gothong ships dahil alam naman natin kung saan napupunta yung pera ng mamamayan--sa bulsa ng mga kurakot na mga heneral. go take some walk...:cheers:

pinhead... nakatuntong ka lang ng Canada kung maka-asta ka sa kapwa mo pinoy akala mo na kung sino. tignan mo sarili mo kung saan ka nanggaling...

really? that's cool...:nuts:

nakatuntong ka lang ng Canada kung maka-asta sa kapwa pinoy akala mo na kung sino. spearhead or pinhead? NO I'm not jealous. Why don't you come by and spend some good vacation here at the Sunshine State. We're not shovelling snows here...:lol: Gotta watch our Blue Angels here in Pensacola... or take a peek when Discovery launches next week at Kennedy Space Center.

Alam kong nagbibiro ka pero wrong timing ka kasi, tsaka matuto kang ilugar mo yung mga sinasabi mo, kaya nga tinawag kitang "troll". Kahit yun pabiro ko lang sinabi sayo, ikaw ang nagover react dyan. So sino mas seryoso sa atin? Pero totoo nakakainis yung mga taong/forumers na tulad mo, feeling inaapi lagi porket waray ka, ewan ko kung anong mentality ka meron. Siguro meron kang inferiority complex psychological problems kaya ka ganyan.

Tulad ng ginagawa mo ngayong nakikiposting ka dito with nonsense, not even discussing with our defense topics are considered as trolling.

BTW, wala akong time sa iyo na makipag yabangan at makipag taasan ng ihi dahil di ako tulad ng iba dyan, or worst ikaw, na nakatuntong lang sa ibang bansa akala mo kung sino na, tulad ng baseless accusation mo sa akin. Kaya wag ka magpakakupal dyan. Be happy kung san ka man.

Osya wag ka nang mainggit sa akin, at baka maglaway ka lang dyan kung nasan ka man. :ohno:

spearhead

February 22nd, 2011, 01:52 AM

If you notice the numbers from the given link below, most of the recent orders are for the defense of the seas and airspace of the respective asian countries.

After reading this article, and studying the given numbers, what do you think the ideal numbers for the Philippines' AFP inventory to catch up and sustain an acceptable force to protect it's territory, granted our AFP modernization budget has not been stolen or in a safe hands from honest officials?

Fighter aircraft?

Light attack aircraft/trainer?

Maritime patrol/ASW aircraft?

Long-range UAV?

Helicopters?

Aircraft carrier/amphibious ships?

Major ships (Destroyers/Frigates/Missile Corvettes)?

Submarines?

Ballistic missile/defense missiles (SAM/SSM/ASM)?

Tanks?

Asia's Arms Race (http://www.scribd.com/doc/49124230/0219AsiaArmsRace)
China’s rapid military growth is fuelling a spending spree amongneighbours anxious to keep pace with the regional superpower
http://htmlimg4.scribdassets.com/21bx6ehm68uwbdb/images/1-26d01253bd.png

Simple Dude

February 22nd, 2011, 05:18 AM

^^ sa tingin niyo, di ba tayo kawawa kung sakaling magka-gulo??
makakaya ba ng pwersa natin'g makipag-laban sa mga yan?? hahai... Kawawang Pilipinas,... :ohno: mas lalo pang pinahihirapan ng mga kurakot na opisyal,... although there is no serious threat yet coming to our country,... it's better to be prepared than Sorry, we're all dying while Generals and Government officials will just leave us dying and go to United States instead,... anyway, they're rich... why will they care about us?? and when they die, saan natin sila ililibing?? edi sa libingan ng mga Bayani,... kapag nakikita kong naiiwan na bansa natin, especially if they bully us coz we're poor and weak, naiiyak ako,... Bravo Philippines, your the best...

Simple Dude

February 22nd, 2011, 05:28 AM

^^ despite of lack of armaments and high-tech equipments, remember philippines are best troops (jungle warfare) in the world... still i trust these brave and courageous soldiers who did there jobs with an exchange of costly lives has.

IMO... singapore navy has high-tech frigate with so on and so forth, while we have our world-war era frigates and so on and so forth... hmmmmm i can't decide much but i still prefer philippines... :D

^^ yah, i would say for me that in terms with Jungle fighting, we're really good,... but it's better if we have advanced equipments and weapons (though we have but still needs more)...

Naval War with Singapore,... it actually depends who would win but look at their navy i really don't think we could win them,... except if their Navies are Bobo,... hehe :lol:

just look at this,...
Singapore Navy
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Singapore_Navy_guided-missile_frigate_RSS_Steadfast.jpg/800px-Singapore_Navy_guided-missile_frigate_RSS_Steadfast.jpg
RSS Steadfast

Philippine Navy
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/BRP_Rajah_Humabon_%28PF_11%29.jpg/800px-BRP_Rajah_Humabon_%28PF_11%29.jpg
BRP Rajah Humabon

though we could win through strategy still,... :D

Alinghi

February 22nd, 2011, 05:49 AM

If you notice the numbers from the given link below, most of the recent orders are for the defense of the seas and airspace of the respective asian countries.

After reading this article, and studying the given numbers, what do you think the ideal numbers for the Philippines' AFP inventory to catch up and sustain an acceptable force to protect it's territory, granted our AFP modernization budget has not been stolen or in a safe hands from honest officials?

Fighter aircraft?

Light attack aircraft/trainer?

Maritime patrol/ASW aircraft?

Long-range UAV?

Helicopters?

Aircraft carrier/amphibious ships?

Major ships (Destroyers/Frigates/Missile Corvettes)?

Submarines?

Ballistic missile/defense missiles (SAM/SSM/ASM)?

Tanks?[b]

this is according to the AFP Modernization Plan (RA 7898 circa 1995)

Philippine Navy:

Frigates = 3
Corvettes = 6
Offshore Patrol Vessels = 12
Missile Boats = 12
Patrol Boats = 24

Philippine Air Force:

Multi-Role Jet Fighter = 2 squadrons (24 aircraft)
Air Defense Radar covering entire Phils.
AWACS System
Land-Based Surface-to-Air Missiles & Guns
Surface Attack Aircraft = 1 squadron (12 aircraft)

Philippine Army:

no details on specific equipment. special emphasis was given on additional heavy artillery, armored assets, and engineering equipment

AFP strength will also be reduced from 120,000 down to 95,000 active officers and personnel

kalbongdad

February 22nd, 2011, 06:01 AM

Alinghi

February 22nd, 2011, 06:10 AM

obviously wala na to......we have to start all over again.....we wait for another 20 years...

last year was its 15th and final year of implementation :ohno:

back to the drawing board again, with frugality and practicality in mind now :nuts:

arcabe

February 22nd, 2011, 06:13 AM

last year was its 15th and final year of implementation :ohno:

back to the drawing board again, with frugality and practicality in mind now :nuts:

what else is new? we were expecting of this to happen.. high school pa lang ako, medyo excited na sa patutunguhan, pero iba ang resulta.:ohno:

kalbongdad

February 22nd, 2011, 06:20 AM

Camps Crame, Aguinaldo for sale–Purisima

By Norman Bordadora
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 02:16:00 01/08/2011

Filed Under: Benigno Aquino III, Military, Government, Restructuring & Recapitalisations, International (Foreign)Trade, Waterway & Maritime Transport

MANILA, Philippines—Camps Aguinaldo and Crame are among the prime pieces of government property that the Aquino administration is planning to privatize, Finance Secretary Cesar Purisima on Friday told reporters.

Purisima said the government had a comprehensive plan to tap the private sector’s resources to build infrastructure “and, at the same time, continue to redeploy the assets of the government that are idle” or not being used properly.

“What we need to do is get together with all the departments, make an inventory, and see how we can redeploy these properties so that they are put to their best use,” Purisima said at a news briefing in Malacañang.

“The best use may not be having government right there,” he said, adding that the properties could be privatized and the proceeds used “to develop the property for best use, so we have a win-win scenario.”

Citing examples, Purisima mentioned a 40-hectare property of the Department of Health in Cebu, the New Bilibid Prisons compound (“343 or so hectares”) in Muntinlupa City, and the penal colonies in Davao and in Iwahig, Palawan.

And then there are Camp Aguinaldo and Camp Crame, which sit across from each other on Edsa.

“We have military camps in the city. Do we need these camps in the city? I’ve had discussions with Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin [and he and others are] all very supportive of the fact that Aguinaldo and Crame should probably not be there,” Purisima said.

He said the Department of National Defense had also agreed that the two camps “should probably be redeveloped in order to build a better and bigger site of a consolidated military facility, and modernize the Armed Forces.”

But he added that the discussions were “all in the preliminary stages.”

Partial donations

Camp Aguinaldo was established on January 11, 1935. Initially known as Camp Murphy in honor of the first American high commissioner Frank Murphy, it was renamed Camp General Emilio Aguinaldo in 1965, after the Philippines’ first President.

The camp covers a total land area of 178.78 hectares. Of these, 152.52 hectares were purchased by the government and the remaining 26.26 hectares were donated by Ortigas and Co. Partnership Ltd.

The Philippine Constabulary General Service Battalion was the first to use the camp in January 1935.

In December of that year, the National Defense Act paved the way for the formation of the Philippine Army. It also designated the Philippine Constabulary as the Army Constabulary Division, which maintains its peacekeeping mission under the DND.

In June 1938, the Army Constabulary Division was separated from the Philippine Army and was reformed to become the National Police Force under the Department of Interior.

The National Police Force established its own headquarters across Camp Murphy and named it Camp Crame in honor of Gen. Rafael Crame, the first Filipino chief of the Constabulary.

Camp Crame covers 32.7 hectares purchased by the government and 8.2 hectares donated by Ortigas and Co. It houses the Philippine National Police.

Camp Aguinaldo houses the Armed Forces General Headquarters, DND, National Capital Regional Command, Armed Forces Reserve Command, AFP Command and General Staff College, Joint Special Operations Group and Anti-Crime Task Force, among others.

It also serves as home to more than 5,000 of its personnel.

Ortigas and Co. had reportedly specified in its deed of donation that if the camps would no longer be of use to the government, these should revert to the donor.

Profit-taking

In his first State of the Nation Address, President Aquino raised the idea of a private group leasing the Navy headquarters on Roxas Boulevard and the Naval Station in Fort Bonifacio.

He said this would immediately earn for the government $100 million.

“We have 36,000 nautical miles of coastline. All we have are 32 vessels. These ships date back to the years of [Gen. Douglas] MacArthur,” the President said.

“Some came up with a proposal and this is their suggestion. They will lease the headquarters of the Navy on Roxas Boulevard and the Naval Station in Fort Bonifacio,” he said.

Mr. Aquino said the private group would spend for the transfer of the naval facilities to Camp Aguinaldo.

“Immediately, they will pay us $100 million. And on top of all that, they will also give us revenues from the businesses that we will build on the leased property,” he said, adding:

“In short, we will get what we want, we won’t spend anything, and yet we will reap profits.” With a report from Lawrence de Guzman, Inquirer Research

here we go again.....pipol must be salivating...on the huge money they will get from this prime lands.......

kalbongdad

February 22nd, 2011, 06:43 AM

ano ba talaga kuya....for sale or for rent.....dito pa lang hindi na makapagbigay na diretsong sagot pano pa sa detalye.....mukhang paiiikutin na naman tayo ng mga tusong negosyante....don't ever count on their patriotism...

Panzer_18

February 22nd, 2011, 08:24 AM

Simple Dude

February 22nd, 2011, 10:24 AM

Alinghi

February 22nd, 2011, 11:09 AM

^^ for the Navy special forces:
additional Sea crafts + Helicopters

air force:
also include additional Helicopters
and i hope dagdagan pa nila instead of 24, make it 42(modern and advanced warplanes)...

and for the Navy:
2 MRV's
MPAC's
LCU
Sealift Vessel

for the Army:
plus modern equipments and additional weapon's
and Hopefully also includes IFV's,...

and why will they reduce the number of personnel?? i think we really need more like at least 350,000 to safeguard our Land,... :)

what kind of seacraft actually?

a sealift vessel is redundant since an LST or MRV/LPD can assume the role since we are not an expeditionary force like those superpowers.. and we can always hire private contractors to do that for us when the need arises like what other countries do.

LCU's are again redundant since LST's can do those duties.

kung gusto mo ng 350,000-strong AFP, saan tayo kukuha ng pampasweldo dyan? :ohno: ipapa kilo natin yung mga kurakot na heneral sa slaughterhouse?

spearhead

February 22nd, 2011, 12:27 PM

Alinghi

February 22nd, 2011, 01:51 PM

i hope you guys can also include the sources of funding for all your exorbitant wishlists

kalbongdad

February 22nd, 2011, 03:17 PM

i hope you guys can also include the sources of funding for all your exorbitant wishlists

inuuntog mo na tuloy ang ulo mo sa mga wizlist na ito....sumasakit na ba ulo mo?:lol:

Alinghi

February 22nd, 2011, 03:39 PM

inuuntog mo na tuloy ang ulo mo sa mga wizlist na ito....sumasakit na ba ulo mo?:lol:

umarkila nako ng C-130 langya sobrang mahal pala nung hourly rate binenta ko tuloy yung dalawang kidney ko :nuts: pinasundo ko kasi si Santa sa North Pole para bigyang katuparan tong mga wishlist na to ni spear at dude :banana: may arrival honors daw sa Villamor bukas :lol:

Simple Dude

February 23rd, 2011, 01:43 AM

what kind of seacraft actually?

a sealift vessel is redundant since an LST or MRV/LPD can assume the role since we are not an expeditionary force like those superpowers.. and we can always hire private contractors to do that for us when the need arises like what other countries do.

LCU's are again redundant since LST's can do those duties.

kung gusto mo ng 350,000-strong AFP, saan tayo kukuha ng pampasweldo dyan? :ohno: ipapa kilo natin yung mga kurakot na heneral sa slaughterhouse?

^^ i have no idea what kind of sea craft but it was announced in Pnoy's speech,... i'm just not sure if that was the Navy or Marines and the video was actually posted here in the previous pages,...

Ipa-kilo yung mga heneral?? hmmm pwede... hehe actually we can afford up to 180,000 strong forces for now,... what i mean is we need at least 350,000 regular personnel in the AFP,... :)

Alinghi

February 23rd, 2011, 02:35 AM

hehe actually we can afford up to 180,000 strong forces for now,... what i mean is we need at least 350,000 regular personnel in the AFP,... :)

and what's your source for all these conclusions?

joseprito

February 23rd, 2011, 02:39 AM

spearhead

February 23rd, 2011, 02:51 AM

this is according to the AFP Modernization Plan (RA 7898 circa 1995)

Philippine Navy:

Frigates = 3
Corvettes = 6
Offshore Patrol Vessels = 12
Missile Boats = 12
Patrol Boats = 24

Philippine Air Force:

Multi-Role Jet Fighter = 2 squadrons (24 aircraft)
Air Defense Radar covering entire Phils.
AWACS System
Land-Based Surface-to-Air Missiles & Guns
Surface Attack Aircraft = 1 squadron (12 aircraft)

Philippine Army:

no details on specific equipment. special emphasis was given on additional heavy artillery, armored assets, and engineering equipment

AFP strength will also be reduced from 120,000 down to 95,000 active officers and personnel

last year was its 15th and final year of implementation :ohno:

back to the drawing board again, with frugality and practicality in mind now :nuts:

what else is new? we were expecting of this to happen.. high school pa lang ako, medyo excited na sa patutunguhan, pero iba ang resulta.:ohno:

ano ba talaga kuya....for sale or for rent.....dito pa lang hindi na makapagbigay na diretsong sagot pano pa sa detalye.....mukhang paiiikutin na naman tayo ng mga tusong negosyante....don't ever count on their patriotism...

umarkila nako ng C-130 langya sobrang mahal pala nung hourly rate binenta ko tuloy yung dalawang kidney ko :nuts: pinasundo ko kasi si Santa sa North Pole para bigyang katuparan tong mga wishlist na to ni spear at dude :banana: may arrival honors daw sa Villamor bukas :lol:

Yeah ideal lang talaga yan, kaya nga i highlighted my statements with some conditions what IF. You'll never know kung ano ba talaga ang magiging situation ng AFP natin ngayon granted their modernization budget was properly used. With the AFP leasing out their properties to private firms, this will generate them a lot of earnings that could boost the modernization as long as no one will fuck this one again.

I also think my given numbers are not that over rated or too less. Like 27-30 major warships are not that really much to list for combined 3 fleets given the actual size of our territory. The only thing that may not be that really realistic are my 3 amphibious assault ship (helicopter-assault ship) or aircraft carrier.

Yung 1996 wish list ng AFP maganda na yun but not enough though for 3 fleets (visayas fleet was diveded to 2 for east and west). Also actually that budget have included 3 diesel subs.

It's just sad to hear how many years these freaking officials have wasted!

Simple Dude

February 23rd, 2011, 09:13 AM

and what's your source for all these conclusions?

^^ What's my source? do i still have to post the source that comes from my mind?? hehe :lol: That was just an opinion that we need at least 350,000 troops,... and if your asking how could i say we can afford 180,000 troops for now,... Philippines has better economy than VN but Vietnam has larger army, India despite also poor has stronger military, although we don't have to compete with these countries,... all we need is a force to defend our Land,... :)

Simple Dude

February 23rd, 2011, 09:17 AM

Pucha, nagmukhang antique iyong sa atin,dyahi naman, oi deletin mo na lang.Palitan mo ng pinakamoderno natin.

^^ dude. that's our Flagship :D

ok, mas bag-o... eto...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7d/USS_Cyclone_%28PC_1%29.jpg/800px-USS_Cyclone_%28PC_1%29.jpg
BRP Mariano Alvarez,...

tingin mo mas advanced na'to kesa sa Singaporean Frigate na yun...?? :)

Alinghi

February 23rd, 2011, 12:11 PM

^^ What's my source? do i still have to post the source that comes from my mind?? hehe :lol: That was just an opinion that we need at least 350,000 troops,... and if your asking how could i say we can afford 180,000 troops for now,... Philippines has better economy than VN but Vietnam has larger army, India despite also poor has stronger military, although we don't have to compete with these countries,... all we need is a force to defend our Land,... :)

then how does it automatically translate that if a country has a better economy compared to another country, then it can afford to have more troops than the latter???

actually, your last sentence is the complete antithesis of the apparent point that you were driving at.

Simple Dude

February 24th, 2011, 12:10 AM

Alinghi

February 24th, 2011, 01:11 AM

^^ what the...? hehe c'mon dude, if you have better economy doesn't it mean that you can afford a stronger military?? if these poorer country can afford to build a strong military why can't we?? one thing you can't see it coz of corrupt Generals, come to think of it if these General's like Angelo Reyes wasn't corrupt, will we have a better equipments? and you also know that the Philippines needs more defensive forces coz we are militarily weak... i know that communist countries can afford huge army despite poor like North Korea, but we don't have to build a very huge army like Them... we need additional troops and better equipments,...

that's the problem with you, you always assume with nothing but other assumptions to back it up.. you can't even define the very parameters that you supposedly "anchor" your arguments on. and to add to the mayhem, all your points loop around a cylindrical tightrope, it just doesn't make sense.

my advice: expound on your own claims to substantiate your stand, don't throw back the very same questions which hover around your statements. no hit-and-run points here in the defense forum or elsewhere in SSC , if you have something to claim, expound and substantiate to further your claim, don't run.

Simple Dude

February 24th, 2011, 01:37 AM

Alinghi

February 24th, 2011, 01:50 AM

^^ dude, i'm explaining it to you,... ok, i'll revise the sentence "We have a better economy which means we can afford a stronger military",... now, happy?? is it really hard to understand?? we don't have to post a formal composition here, i post messages here like as if we're just talking...

you don't have to go formal or lengthy, as long as you put credence to your statement that a good economy translates to a good military.. you just repeated the same statement again with nothing to back it up.. you need to understand the inner workings of public policy vis-a-vis macroeconomic indicators before you promote your self-proclaimed "better economy means better military" mantra :ohno:

Simple Dude

February 24th, 2011, 02:16 AM

^^ oh ok,... what did i say? i said, a better economy can have better military,... can Philippines afford to have a strong military like the United States with this economy we have?? better economy doesn't mean better military right away, it depends on the priority of the Government... right now, in the Philippines our governments priority is to reduce poverty and uplift the economy, we are not prioritizing a Aggressive military yet... anyway, a state who have more money can afford better weapons and equipments compared to those who have lesser money...

Alinghi

February 24th, 2011, 02:32 AM

^^ LOL you just completely contradicted your original statement.. playing safe? ano ba talaga? ang gulo mo :ohno: parang inuulit-ulit mo lang lahat ng statements sa forum na to

anyway, what about North Korea? that country has nothing going on economically (mas masigla pa yata ang ekonomiya ng Divisoria kaysa kanila), but how come they have the money to build/operate/maintain ICBM's? and if it's really true, a nuclear arsenal?

and if we reverse it, how come a 1st-world and fully-developed EU economy like the Netherlands have a tiny military?

Simple Dude

February 24th, 2011, 02:46 AM

^^ Lol,... that's what i am claiming,... that we are capable of building a better military....

North Korea? coz they are also funded by China, and they focus on Military not on Economy,... they have what you call the "Forced Labor"...

Netherlands? yes, is a 1st world country,... but a small country with a tiny population as well,... so the number of Army they have is good enough to protect their country's peace and order... plus coz they have a pretty good economy they can afford high tech weapons, and some of them are even fighting in Afghanistan,... :)

Simple Dude

February 24th, 2011, 02:47 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Caramoan_Siege.jpg
Philippine army during the Siege of Caramoan, 1995...

Panzer_18

February 24th, 2011, 02:56 AM

Alinghi

February 24th, 2011, 02:58 AM

^^ Lol,... that's what i am claiming,... that we are capable of building a better military....

your reasons for saying ang hinahanap ko.. numbers, stats, theories, and anything in between for saying that.. even a grade-schooler can say those things that you said, but on what grounds actually? we'll allow our countrymen to starve so that we can have a 350,000 strong AFP like what you want? or said that we are capable of? what about your "we can actually afford a 180,000-strong force right now? where did you get those numbers? I hope madame auring doesn't get in the picture alright?

North Korea? coz they are also funded by China, and they focus on Military not on Economy,... they have what you call the "Forced Labor"...

so are you saying that we should starve our people or ask for alms from the US so that we can have a 350,000-strong simple_dude AFP?

Netherlands? yes, is a 1st world country,... but a small country with a tiny population as well,... so the number of Army they have is good enough to protect their country's peace and order... plus coz they have a pretty good economy they can afford high tech weapons, and some of them are even fighting in Afghanistan,... :)

you could just have summarized it in two words: PUBLIC POLICY

on your 2nd point though, how come we don't have advanced weapons if we are indeed economically better-off than Vietnam as what you were pointing at? (see above for the answers in bold)

Alinghi

February 24th, 2011, 03:20 AM

it's hard to imagine having a 180k AFP right now, much less a 350k, when at barely 120k, the AFP is straining it's allocated budget just to pay the salaries, benefits, and the human development costs, and it acts in a detrimental manner rather than a beneficial proposition.. worst case in point, the Philippine Navy where 70% of the budget goes entirely to compensation, what more if we add to the numbers? saan kukuha ang navy ng bunker for their ships kung gawin mong doble or triple ang personnel? biofuels? jatropha? cocodiesel? :nuts:

maybe some forumer here totally forgot, whether intentionally or unintentionally, that the AFP gets its funds from the annual fiscal appropriations, not from the supposedly "strong economy" that we have daw.. aanhin ang mataas na GDP or GNP kung barya naman ang binibigay sa AFP? see the clear difference between the two? as what i've said, public policy ang problema (kasama na corruption dun) at hindi ang "mas malakas na ekonomiya kuno"

spearhead

February 24th, 2011, 03:40 AM

spearhead

February 24th, 2011, 03:46 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Caramoan_Siege.jpg
Philippine army during the Siege of Caramoan, 1995...

Nice find. :cheers:

joseprito

February 24th, 2011, 04:01 AM

^^ dude. that's our Flagship :D

ok, mas bag-o... eto...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7d/USS_Cyclone_%28PC_1%29.jpg/800px-USS_Cyclone_%28PC_1%29.jpg
BRP Mariano Alvarez,...

tingin mo mas advanced na'to kesa sa Singaporean Frigate na yun...?? :)

Yan na ba talaga pinakamoderno natin.Nasan na iyong MPAC na bago na sinasabi nila. pero mas OK na yan. Totoo ba yan baka stir pre ha. Ok yan sa akin kaysa dun sa isa. Tnx

Alinghi

February 24th, 2011, 04:41 AM

^^Some corrupt countries with better economies are redirecting their revenues to the military instead of uplifting their standard of living. And some really corrupt countries like north korea are exhausting their people just to develop their own nuclear capabilities. :no:

And some not-so corrupt countries like the philippines who has better economy are generally redirecting most of their revenues to develop their infrastructures. Though the useless war in mindanao, and worst the money that are supposed to go the military are being stolen, and it has to be stopped. :wallbash:

because they can afford to do so.. corrupt or not-corrupt, the bottomline would be if the country can afford to some fiscal policy adjustments .. but we just can't, magugutom lahat ng pinoy kung defense ang gagawing priority..

defense-phobic budget, the insurgencies with no end in sight, corruption in the AFP, and the token support of "allies" all add up to the equation that we have to streamline the AFP, and people should understand that trimming down does not necessarily mean that we are getting weaker. a big force without any potency is just like a sumo wrestler without arms and feet, useless. a midget who can really kick some *** is definitely better in that aspect

Alinghi

February 24th, 2011, 04:47 AM

Nice find. :cheers:

wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Caramoan_Siege.jpg)

Yan na ba talaga pinakamoderno natin.Nasan na iyong MPAC na bago na sinasabi nila. pero mas OK na yan. Totoo ba yan baka stir pre ha. Ok yan sa akin kaysa dun sa isa. Tnx

if commissioning date is of significance to you, then yes it is one of the newest.

but in terms of electronic warfare (sensors, radar, and fire-control systems), the Jacinto-class (Peacock) is the most advance in the PN as of the moment

horrerbaba

February 24th, 2011, 10:56 AM

such nice fight fighter here

Simple Dude

February 24th, 2011, 11:00 AM

Simple Dude

February 24th, 2011, 11:04 AM

your reasons for saying ang hinahanap ko.. numbers, stats, theories, and anything in between for saying that.. even a grade-schooler can say those things that you said, but on what grounds actually? we'll allow our countrymen to starve so that we can have a 350,000 strong AFP like what you want? or said that we are capable of? what about your "we can actually afford a 180,000-strong force right now? where did you get those numbers? I hope madame auring doesn't get in the picture alright?

so are you saying that we should starve our people or ask for alms from the US so that we can have a 350,000-strong simple_dude AFP?

you could just have summarized it in two words: PUBLIC POLICY

on your 2nd point though, how come we don't have advanced weapons if we are indeed economically better-off than Vietnam as what you were pointing at? (see above for the answers in bold)

^^ i know about that policy, don't have to discuss it...

i dont want the people to starve,... in fact, people makes their own life anyway, we all should know how to work hard... anyway, that's why as i said we can raise the number of troops for now in just 180k or even 150k,... if our country gets better in 10 years then we target 350k,...

stats?? Theories?? am i a military officer that i should waste my time studying on this before I post? hehe we can just use our common sense though,... we have over 100 million of people in the Philippines by now, how come we cant recruit 180k of those?? and it was just my idea and opinion as well,... and obviously we need more military men,...

im not saying that we need to ask for alms dude, we are actually capable of having it here...

itlogo

February 24th, 2011, 11:27 AM

Alinghi

February 24th, 2011, 12:00 PM

^^ i know about that policy, don't have to discuss it...

i dont want the people to starve,... in fact, people makes their own life anyway, we all should know how to work hard... anyway, that's why as i said we can raise the number of troops for now in just 180k or even 150k,... if our country gets better in 10 years then we target 350k,...

stats?? Theories?? am i a military officer that i should waste my time studying on this before I post? hehe we can just use our common sense though,... we have over 100 million of people in the Philippines by now, how come we cant recruit 180k of those?? and it was just my idea and opinion as well,... and obviously we need more military men,...

im not saying that we need to ask for alms dude, we are actually capable of having it here...

the highlighted portion should have been used in the first place to avoid misinterpretation.. parang ang dating kasi you already know na kaya natin mag 180k or 350k right now.

^^ ok dude, then that's what I actually mean,... we just have to change our Policy,.... mas pinapalala lang yun ng mga corrupt na officials,... i think the military has the Highest share in the annual budget,... pero saan napupunta?? edi sa mga bulsa ng matataas na opisyal,... kung lalagyan natin ng effort para madagdagan yung tropa natin, i believe kayang kaya natin,...

Education has the biggest share.

marxman

February 25th, 2011, 05:48 AM

quality over quantity! force multiplier is better than multiple forces!

Simple Dude

February 25th, 2011, 07:10 AM

the highlighted portion should have been used in the first place to avoid misinterpretation.. parang ang dating kasi you already know na kaya natin mag 180k or 350k right now.

Education has the biggest share.

^^ ohw ok,... anyway, just forget it,... the main reason why did i enter this forum is to learn more and not to argue with other people,... its sometimes just a waste of time :D

Education? oh... but still how come our schools are still messed up, so now im pretty sure theres also corruption in that department....

Simple Dude

February 25th, 2011, 07:15 AM

Yan na ba talaga pinakamoderno natin.Nasan na iyong MPAC na bago na sinasabi nila. pero mas OK na yan. Totoo ba yan baka stir pre ha. Ok yan sa akin kaysa dun sa isa. Tnx

hmmm so are you going to match up an advanced MPAC to an advanced Frigate?? hehe there will be chance of winning the battle nga pero i think there are more chance that the MPAC will lose,... though depending on how they handle it,... :)

kalbongdad

March 1st, 2011, 12:59 AM

arcabe

March 1st, 2011, 02:01 AM

wala bang nangyayari sa modernization ng afp....por dies por siento....dapat na talaga tayong bumili ng malaking barko kahit dalawa lang para pag may crisis abroad maipapadala natin at maililikas ang mga kababayan natin dun....now na....

ito ata ang pinagkakaabalahan ng Phil. Navy...planning to purchase this..
(from phil. defense forum)

http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=25937.435

this is the Gallatin, Hamilton yung bibilhin ng PN. Hamilton class din ito.

iY8Z7cQ5bdY&feature

Alinghi

March 1st, 2011, 03:18 AM

wala bang nangyayari sa modernization ng afp....por dies por siento....dapat na talaga tayong bumili ng malaking barko kahit dalawa lang para pag may crisis abroad maipapadala natin at maililikas ang mga kababayan natin dun....now na....

kung meron lang sana tayong matinong C-130, nalikas na sana karamihan ng mga kababayan natin kahit sa safer grounds lang muna like Malta, Italy or Egypt.. C-130 ginamit ng UK para hakutin mga citizens nila kahit sa mga desert oil fields eh lumalapag yung C-130

30,000 mga pinoy sa Libya tapos 2,000 pa lang nailikas.. hindi ko alam kung kulang ba tayo sa pera oh hindi talaga alam ng mga taga DFA ang mga tungkulin nila :bash:

kalbongdad

March 1st, 2011, 04:03 AM

kung meron lang sana tayong matinong C-130, nalikas na sana karamihan ng mga kababayan natin kahit sa safer grounds lang muna like Malta, Italy or Egypt.. C-130 ginamit ng UK para hakutin mga citizens nila kahit sa mga desert oil fields eh lumalapag yung C-130

30,000 mga pinoy sa Libya tapos 2,000 pa lang nailikas.. hindi ko alam kung kulang ba tayo sa pera oh hindi talaga alam ng mga taga DFA ang mga tungkulin nila :bash:

kumakamot lang kamo yung panot na pangulo.....kapos sa ideya....

kalbongdad

March 1st, 2011, 04:08 AM

spearhead

March 1st, 2011, 04:19 AM

ito ata ang pinagkakaabalahan ng Phil. Navy...planning to purchase this..
(from phil. defense forum)

http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=25937.435

this is the Gallatin, Hamilton yung bibilhin ng PN. Hamilton class din ito.

iY8Z7cQ5bdY&feature

That look fun... Atleast for the PN personnel for sure. But i heard a rumor from that forum that it maybe a bad buy for the navy due to it's condition, and if the overhaul of the ship they were buying which right now sitting in a shipyard somewhere in the west coast of US, did not go smooth, this ship will spend most of it's time for sure in a philippine drydock or a shipyard. It's nice though that this type of ship can be brought out all the way to indian ocean to help fight the piracy there in a somalian coast or like what mr kalbo said, pickup stranded pinoyski from troubled nations.... Oh well.....

spearhead

March 1st, 2011, 04:23 AM

no not this.....they were planning to buy a MRV multi-role vessel something...that could act as command center...evacuate people, carry tanks and cargoes, be a hospital all at the same time a big ship that could do all that and with weaponry...

Actually it's the other way. The MRV has been pusponed, not sure though when it's gonna be proceed again.

The PN is buying one of this type of Hamilton class frigate. To what i heard they actually already sent some pinoy sailors to US for training how to operate it while the actual ship their buying is being overhauled, refurbished, and stripped from phalanx weapon system and other minor advance navigational system so that pinoys can just use the pedals on the way back to pinoy islands - just kidding that last part. :nuts:

absinthe_888

March 1st, 2011, 04:26 AM

25th Anniversary pala today ng Presidential Security Group...

Nakakatuwa yung PSG Group Commander at Batallion Commander sa Trooping the Line, papalit-palit ng marching step gawa ni P.Noy :D

kalbongdad

March 1st, 2011, 04:36 AM

Actually it's the other way. The MRV has been pusponed, not sure though when it's gonna be proceed again.

The PN is buying one of this type of Hamilton class frigate. To what i heard they actually already sent some pinoy sailors to US for training how to operate it while the actual ship their buying is being overhauled, refurbished, and stripped from phalanx weapon system and other minor advance navigational system so that pinoys can just use the pedals on the way back to pinoy islands - just kidding that last part. :nuts:

well then...we are doomed forever.....why buy this old....stinking vessel...60s ang design and built in the 70s that is 40 yrs old already by now....mga hunghang ba tayo...kahit dalawa lang ng MRVs malaking bagay na yun....lalo na marami tayong kababayan sa ibang bansa na may gulo kailangan ilikas....wala man lang bang nakakaisip ng ganito....lagi na lang ba pera ang unang basis ng pagbili.....there are other ways....of killing a cat....go figure...darn....

arcabe

March 1st, 2011, 04:44 AM

Actually it's the other way. The MRV has been pusponed, not sure though when it's gonna be proceed again.

The PN is buying one of this type of Hamilton class frigate. To what i heard they actually already sent some pinoy sailors to US for training how to operate it while the actual ship their buying is being overhauled, refurbished, and stripped from phalanx weapon system and other minor advance navigational system so that pinoys can just use the pedals on the way back to pinoy islands - just kidding that last part. :nuts:

there are PN personnels who are currently training on that type of cutter(USCGC Boutwell), the fact that the MRV is (maybe) postponed but not totally , but this ship will be of great help to our Navy, it can be deployed farther with it's ocean going capability. I guess the navy is serious on this, and if that happens, this would be the largest and longest ship we have at 380 feet.

arcabe

March 1st, 2011, 04:49 AM

spearhead

March 1st, 2011, 04:53 AM

well then...we are doomed forever.....why buy this old....stinking vessel...60s ang design and built in the 70s that is 40 yrs old already by now....mga hunghang ba tayo...kahit dalawa lang ng MRVs malaking bagay na yun....lalo na marami tayong kababayan sa ibang bansa na may gulo kailangan ilikas....wala man lang bang nakakaisip ng ganito....lagi na lang ba pera ang unang basis ng pagbili.....there are other ways....of killing a cat....go figure...darn....

Suspende lang naman so lets hope matuloy na yung pagbili ng MRV... Bise pa raw kasi itong mga kurap eh kung pano sila makakanakaw ng pera.... ganyan lagi ang ginagawa nila, kunwari bibili na tapos idedeclare nila na illigal transaction daw, tapos yung budget na binigay sa kanila para sa procurement pala eh hinahakot na unti unti para sa pabaon ng mga magreretire na heneral kaya walang natutuloy sa pagbili eh... :bash: :ohno:

Pero kung matuloy yan, 2 (2 nga ba?) of these MRV should be named after Jose Rizal and Melchora Aquino atleast for what i think that fits their purpose. :cheers:

kalbongdad

March 1st, 2011, 04:56 AM

spearhead

March 1st, 2011, 04:57 AM

wala na tayong maaasahan na MRV, ayaw ng present admin e..iba ang priority, hindi yung national security, time pa kasi ni GMA ang project na to, baka hindi maganda sa paningin nila. Magagamit sana ito, katulad sa nangyayari ngayo sa Mid-east.:ohno:

Yan ba talaga ang rason ni Pnoy? Mga kupal talaga itong mga Aquino, parepareho silang ugali, lahat pinepersonal na. Wh wala naman atang illigal transaction pang nahahanap sa procurement ng MRV uh? Tsk tlaga naman..... Haaayz buuuhaaayz...! :ohno:

spearhead

March 1st, 2011, 04:59 AM

tama....kung meron tayo nyan kahit dalawa lang laking tulong sa ating bayan yan....pwede syang paikot ikot sa pinas para maghatid ng relief, kalusugan, kagamitan sa panahon ng ligalig....ano ba yan.....mas gusto pa ata ng pangulo ng pa party party lang kesa pag tuunan ng pansin ang seguridad ng ating bayan.....

Inutil ata talaga yang presidente nyo eh.... Tignan natin, i hope nagkakamali tayo..... Haaaaayyyyysk! :ohno: Tulog na nga ako! Goodnite sa inyo! :lol:

Panzer_18

March 1st, 2011, 05:26 AM

Wala akng masasabi ni Pnoy, puro nalang batikos sa mga past administrations ang ina.atupag niya, without any realization whats the points and agenda's to cope up the basic necessities sa ating bayan... He should go over or cross the bridge of the trouble waters of ARROYO and MARCOSES... past is past... pwede naman pnoy go over the problem of the country and face it with your fate... As you can see were having a lots of loads and tons of problem having mash up our country... Also he should also prioritized in the modernization of our AFP, anu ang mng.yayari sa atin kung wala tayong png.dpensa sa atin... :bash:

arcabe

March 1st, 2011, 05:36 AM

Yan ba talaga ang rason ni Pnoy? Mga kupal talaga itong mga Aquino, parepareho silang ugali, lahat pinepersonal na. Wh wala naman atang illigal transaction pang nahahanap sa procurement ng MRV uh? Tsk tlaga naman..... Haaayz buuuhaaayz...! :ohno:

hindi naman directly na sya ang nagsabi e, yun nga lang kasi halos lahat ng acquisition sa AFP modernization puro scrapped katulad ng AH helos, MRV, yung C130 refurbishment hanggang ngayon hindi pa tapos..halos lahat kasi ng transaction na ito sa time pa ni GMA, yung CUH helos lang siguro ang hihintayin natin.:nuts:

arcabe

March 1st, 2011, 05:42 AM

kalbongdad

March 1st, 2011, 05:47 AM

palala ang kalagayan ng mundo wala man lang tayo pang depensa o pantulong sa ating mga kababayan na naiipit sa ibayong dagat....gaano ba katagal silipin ang isang kontrata...upuan mo lang yan maghapon baka hindi pa maghapon tapos ka na...ang abutin ng ilang buwan.....mga wala ba talagang silbi ang mga ito at puro lang pabigat sa bayan?....kung kelan andyan na sa harap ang problema saka magkukumahog na kunwari aaksyunan....tamo ang nangyayari ngayon sa libya....ang mga kawawang ofw at pamilya nila ang naghihirap sa kapabayaan ng ating gobyerno....ang dami ng solusyon ngayon...maganda na ang communication technology ngayon marami ng pagbabago pero ang kilos ng mga ito ay mga sinauna pa rin... walang organized or systematic na strategies to deal with this kinds of situation dapat sa panahon ng katahimikan meron na yan in-place na dudukutin na lang kung may ligalig.....titingnan na lang kung ano ang gagawin pag ganito ang pinapakita ng sitwasyon ano ang solusyon kung ganito iba naman ang pinapakita ng isa pang sitwasyon....ano na tayo bilang bansa nagbabayad tayo ng pasahod sa mga taong wlang ginagawa. i could only offer my prayers to those with relative our there.....

kalbongdad

March 1st, 2011, 05:51 AM

ito ang katibayan, bye-bye MRV....:bash::bash::ohno::ohno:

No money for ship costing P5B
BY VICTOR REYES

THE acquisition of a multi-role vessel (MRV) for the Navy is not a top priority under the AFP Modernization Program, Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said yesterday.

Gazmin’s announcement seemed sad news for the Navy that welcomed Rear Adm. Alexander Pama as its new chief yesterday. Pama replaced Rear Adm. Danilo Cortez who reached the mandatory retirement age of 56.

The Navy had been looking forward to the acquisition of the MRV for years.

The MRV, worth about P5 billion, can be used as mother ship during the launching of Navy and Marines operations.

An MRV can also serve as a floating government hospital, a vital asset during calamities, according to the Navy.

Gazmin said the procurement of the MRV would have to wait because the military is still in the process of addressing internal security threats, including communist and terrorist groups....

http://http://www.malaya.com.ph/jan05/news3.html

p.i. mo gazmin.....yan isa yang malaking solusyon sa maraming problema ng bayan......ang pag party party sa edsa....gumastos ng milyones para ano....para makakanta at makasayaw ang tamad na pangulo...:ohno: walang pera sa mga importanteng bagay pero meron iwawaldas sa mga walang katuturan...

arcabe

March 1st, 2011, 05:59 AM

dapat suklian ng gobyerno natin ng maganda ang mga ofw natin, sa kanila din nakasalalay ang magandang takbo ng ekonomiya natin, which in this case parang pinbabayaan sila ng kasalukuyang pamahalaan. Nakakapanlulumo..:ohno::ohno:

kalbongdad

March 1st, 2011, 05:59 AM

kalbongdad

March 1st, 2011, 06:08 AM

ito ang katibayan, bye-bye MRV....:bash::bash::ohno::ohno:

No money for ship costing P5B
BY VICTOR REYES

THE acquisition of a multi-role vessel (MRV) for the Navy is not a top priority under the AFP Modernization Program, Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said yesterday.

Gazmin’s announcement seemed sad news for the Navy that welcomed Rear Adm. Alexander Pama as its new chief yesterday. Pama replaced Rear Adm. Danilo Cortez who reached the mandatory retirement age of 56.

The Navy had been looking forward to the acquisition of the MRV for years.

The MRV, worth about P5 billion, can be used as mother ship during the launching of Navy and Marines operations.

An MRV can also serve as a floating government hospital, a vital asset during calamities, according to the Navy.

Gazmin said the procurement of the MRV would have to wait because the military is still in the process of addressing internal security threats, including communist and terrorist groups....

http://http://www.malaya.com.ph/jan05/news3.html

nakakainis.....tapos bibili ng pinaglumaan na ng amerika na 30-40 yrs old na.....napakamaling pagtitipid ang ginagawa ng mga taong ito.....akala siguro nila dahil mura nakamura na sila....ang maintenance nyan dahil luma ng teknolohiya....mas magastos pa.....kaya nga binibitawan na ng ibang bansa....ano ba naman itong ukay ukay mentality.....at least ang huling binili natin na mga barko ng UK ng umalis sila sa hongkong medyo bago bago yun...pero itong binabalak nilang bilhin....patapon na....kaibigan ba talaga ang turing sa atin ng amerika?...o pain....

arcabe

March 1st, 2011, 06:14 AM

imagine bumili ka ng dalawa nyan....gawing multi year obligation para kang naghuhulugan.....ang daming problema ang masusolusyunan...ang pagdala ng gamit, relief....makakatipid sa pambayad sa private couriers ang pag ikot para magdala ng medical relief sa mga bayan bayan...sabay transport ng mga kagamitan militar.....sabay mahahasa sa ganyang technology ang mga navy natin...ang gastos ay mababawi sa mga matitipid ng bansa sa mga problema na maaayos nito....meron ka nang ocean going vessel na pag may ligalig sa ibang lugar dispatsa mo lang panatag na mga kababayan natin na siya rin naman nag uuwi ng dolyares sa pinas....bakit hindi ibalik sa kanila ang servicio hindi tayo uuunlad sa mga makalumang pamamalakad at pagiisip ng mga taong ito.....di bale walang mangyari dahil natatakot sila na may kurakot sa kontrata ang hindi nila nari realize na ang pag postpone ng pagbili ng mga yan ay may cost din.....pamahal ng pamahal lalo....ano ba yan?:ohno:

tama ka dyan, kahit na sa conflict areas sa Mindanao isang byahe lang ng MRV maraming kagamitan ang masusupply nito sa ating magigiting na sundalo. Kung may clamity naman, gaya ng bagyo ang daming tao ang mafe-ferry nito.Kagaya nito ang Indonesian MRV (makassar class), nagamit nila ito sa mga evacuees sa isang lindol last year sa Indonesia.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Kri_makassar-590.PNG

kalbongdad

March 1st, 2011, 06:23 AM

tama ka dyan, kahit na sa conflict areas sa Mindanao isang byahe lang ng MRV maraming kagamitan ang masusupply nito sa ating magigiting na sundalo. Kung may clamity naman, gaya ng bagyo ang daming tao ang mafe-ferry nito.Kagaya nito ang Indonesian MRV (makassar class), nagamit nila ito sa mga evacuees sa isang lindol last year sa Indonesia.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Kri_makassar-590.PNG

yan ito nga ang sinasabi kong MRV na pwede mong lagyan ng weaponry kung may giyera at may helipad na....for air support......dalawa lang nyan laking tulong na sa ating bayan lalo na tayo na hiwa hiwalay na isla....at makakabiyahe pa sa ibayong dagat....pag may krisis na kinakaharap ang ating mga kababayan....imagine mo na lang kung ilang tanke o truck o hospital bed o cargoes ang mailalagay dyan sabay sabay....makakapag deliver ka na ng mga kailangang militar makakatulong ka pa sa mga sibilyan na pupuntahan ninyo....pwede pa yang....floating na tindahan ng mga producto ng iba ibang bayan na showcase sa mga bayan kung saan kayo dadaong...

kalbongdad

March 1st, 2011, 06:31 AM

sa laki ng inuuwi ng mga ofw na dollars sa atin....mga $18B dollars sa pesos mga 774+ bilyon pesos....tatalbos ka lang ng P10Bilyon sasabihin mo na walang pera...eh san napunta ang mga inuuwi nilang dolyares...ang lagay papatayin mo lang sila sa trabaho pag sila na nangailangan....bahala kayo sa buhay niyo......ganun ba tayo....?

pi_malejana

March 1st, 2011, 06:34 AM

kalbongdad

March 1st, 2011, 06:40 AM

mukhang hindi alam ng admin na ito kung ano ang priority dapat....sa dami ng ligalig ngayon at sa parating pang mga ligalig dyan sa south china sea dahil nagiinat na ang tsina.....hindi man lang makaisip an ito ang barkong pandigma na ito na may silbing pang sibilyan ay malaking maitutulong....:ohno: mas uunahin ang pagbili ng bulok na coast guard cutter ng amerika at yung c130 na naaksidente na....ano bang klaseng pagiisip ito....?...

arcabe

March 1st, 2011, 06:45 AM

bulok na pag-iisip...wala na kasing magawa e, puro batikos sa mga nakaraang admin, :nuts:

kalbongdad

March 1st, 2011, 06:50 AM

tama na ang sinusunod na stratehiya ng dating admin sa modernization pag upo....tapon na agad ang ilang taon pagaaral dahil lang ayaw nila kay little evil gloria.....ngayong gagawa uli sila ng pagaaral na ganun din naman sigurado ang kalalabasan....gagastos lang nag pera ulit para ang kanilang mga kaibigan na kontratista naman ang makinabang....meron ng plano yan naka layout na kung ano ano ang bibilhin anong taon idideliver...tapos biglang wala na dahil nagpalit ng administrasyon....kaya hindi tayo makausad ng mabilis dahil sa mga ganitong pagiisip...:ohno:

gmaer

March 1st, 2011, 08:50 AM

^^ yah, i would say for me that in terms with Jungle fighting, we're really good,... but it's better if we have advanced equipments and weapons (though we have but still needs more)...

Naval War with Singapore,... it actually depends who would win but look at their navy i really don't think we could win them,... except if their Navies are Bobo,... hehe :lol:

just look at this,...
Singapore Navy
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Singapore_Navy_guided-missile_frigate_RSS_Steadfast.jpg/800px-Singapore_Navy_guided-missile_frigate_RSS_Steadfast.jpg
RSS Steadfast

Philippine Navy
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/BRP_Rajah_Humabon_%28PF_11%29.jpg/800px-BRP_Rajah_Humabon_%28PF_11%29.jpg
BRP Rajah Humabon

though we could win through strategy still,... :D

The Philippines will not engage in any wars with one of its closest Asian allies.

this is according to the AFP Modernization Plan (RA 7898 circa 1995)

Philippine Navy:

Frigates = 3
Corvettes = 6
Offshore Patrol Vessels = 12
Missile Boats = 12
Patrol Boats = 24

Philippine Air Force:

Multi-Role Jet Fighter = 2 squadrons (24 aircraft)
Air Defense Radar covering entire Phils.
AWACS System
Land-Based Surface-to-Air Missiles & Guns
Surface Attack Aircraft = 1 squadron (12 aircraft)

Philippine Army:

no details on specific equipment. special emphasis was given on additional heavy artillery, armored assets, and engineering equipment

AFP strength will also be reduced from 120,000 down to 95,000 active officers and personnel

What's your source on this one?

what else is new? we were expecting of this to happen.. high school pa lang ako, medyo excited na sa patutunguhan, pero iba ang resulta.:ohno:

There was the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis...

Ideally we should have atleast 12-15 major warships per philippine naval fleet: with Luzon Fleet, 15; Visayas Fleet (East and West command), 20; and Mindanao Fleet, 12.

And these are (per fleet):

Aircraft Carrier/Amphibious ships: 1
MPAC: 1
Submarines: 4
Frigates/Missile Cruisers/Destroyers: 9
Aircrafts (MRF/AWACS/Gunships/CUH): 36
UAV: 4

WoW! You're fantasizing too much! Even during the time the Philippine Navy was strong they never envision owning an aircraft carrier.

Parchie

March 1st, 2011, 08:58 AM

gmaer

March 1st, 2011, 09:12 AM

Are you trying to tell the people that it is okay having what the PN has as of this date? Is the service ready and capable of handling possible scenarios that may occur in the near future? Do you think the situation doesn't change from the way it is now? If yes, then you are wrong! The PN has been wanting in so many many things to provide a better service than what it has right now! Think again; smuggling, human trafficking, etc. and I don't see these things solved with people who think it is wrong to project what the PN will be in the future.

Are you trying to put words into my mouth? My emphasis is on realism and patience. The primary focus now is on COIN operations NOT to engage foreign navies.

coldfire083

March 1st, 2011, 09:57 AM

ito ang katibayan, bye-bye MRV....:bash::bash::ohno::ohno:

No money for ship costing P5B
BY VICTOR REYES

THE acquisition of a multi-role vessel (MRV) for the Navy is not a top priority under the AFP Modernization Program, Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said yesterday.

Gazmin’s announcement seemed sad news for the Navy that welcomed Rear Adm. Alexander Pama as its new chief yesterday. Pama replaced Rear Adm. Danilo Cortez who reached the mandatory retirement age of 56.

The Navy had been looking forward to the acquisition of the MRV for years.

The MRV, worth about P5 billion, can be used as mother ship during the launching of Navy and Marines operations.

An MRV can also serve as a floating government hospital, a vital asset during calamities, according to the Navy.

Gazmin said the procurement of the MRV would have to wait because the military is still in the process of addressing internal security threats, including communist and terrorist groups....

http://http://www.malaya.com.ph/jan05/news3.html

Anak ng.....! Wala ulit pera!!!!! :ohno: Makabili nga muna ng Porsche and Lexus para mas makatipip kasi mas mahal ang MRV.

arcabe

March 1st, 2011, 10:39 AM

Are you trying to put words into my mouth? My emphasis is on realism and patience. The primary focus now is on COIN operations NOT to engage foreign navies.

Yes we should focus on that too.. but our AFP has been focusing on that for how many years?, COIN operation is not only concentrated in Luzon, We should also think Visayas and yes more importantly mindanao, that's why we need this MRV for greater logistics support for this COIN operation. But yes, I do to believe we should be patient, but for how long?

We should also think of our Malampaya Gas installation off Palawan, we should have a capable ocean going vessel to guard that field. maybe that's the reason why the Phil Navy is eager on purchasing the Hamilton US coast Guard cutter.

Gmaer I'm not arguing am just pointing a possible long term solution.

kalbongdad

March 1st, 2011, 12:32 PM

ayyyzz talaga naman mukhang wala na natulala na sa dami ng problema ang pnoy...nde na alam ang gagawin.....takbo takbo pa mahina naman palang klase...ano ba yan....daming nalinlang kala maganda yun pala napasama pa tayo....:ohno:

spearhead

March 1st, 2011, 12:52 PM

The Philippines will not engage in any wars with one of its closest Asian allies.

What's your source on this one?

There was the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis...

WoW! You're fantasizing too much! Even during the time the Philippine Navy was strong they never envision owning an aircraft carrier.

Alam mo gmaer yang mentality mo talaga bulok kaya maraming pilipino ang di umaabante, bagay kang umupo sa tabi ng mga gagong kurap na heneral sa AFP. :bash: :lol:

Are you trying to tell the people that it is okay having what the PN has as of this date? Is the service ready and capable of handling possible scenarios that may occur in the near future? Do you think the situation doesn't change from the way it is now? If yes, then you are wrong! The PN has been wanting in so many many things to provide a better service than what it has right now! Think again; smuggling, human trafficking, etc. and I don't see these things solved with people who think it is wrong to project what the PN will be in the future.

I totally agree. That kid gamer is one of those acting like smart people here but have this peanut size mentality, non progressive attitude towards the future of regarding this matter. He's one of those been playing as if the most practical or realistic person here (copying ADROTH from timawa) when there was an even obvious reasons why the AFP is not progressing because of all these stupid corruptions for years. :ohno:

Are you trying to put words into my mouth? My emphasis is on realism and patience. The primary focus now is on COIN operations NOT to engage foreign navies.

Fuck, COIN still? They been focusing on this matter for how long now gmaer?

Anak ka ba ng isa sa mga kurap na heneral dyan kaya mo sinasabi ito? I mean how many more years are we gonna wait?

Do you even think what an MRV can do? They been dreaming of these MRV, frigate/destroyers since the early 1990's and then you will say this? That's BS kind of mentality you'e showing up here dont you think so? Kid i would say you're lost. Go and find some barnie dvd movies there to watch first.

bulok na pag-iisip...wala na kasing magawa e, puro batikos sa mga nakaraang admin, :nuts:

tama na ang sinusunod na stratehiya ng dating admin sa modernization pag upo....tapon na agad ang ilang taon pagaaral dahil lang ayaw nila kay little evil gloria.....ngayong gagawa uli sila ng pagaaral na ganun din naman sigurado ang kalalabasan....gagastos lang nag pera ulit para ang kanilang mga kaibigan na kontratista naman ang makinabang....meron ng plano yan naka layout na kung ano ano ang bibilhin anong taon idideliver...tapos biglang wala na dahil nagpalit ng administrasyon....kaya hindi tayo makausad ng mabilis dahil sa mga ganitong pagiisip...:ohno:

Anak ng.....! Wala ulit pera!!!!! :ohno: Makabili nga muna ng Porsche and Lexus para mas makatipip kasi mas mahal ang MRV.

Tama kayo mga kababayan.... BTW coldmorning na pala! Tapos ito ang nakita kong balita agad, nakaka dismaya. Tang--- wala na ba talagang political will si pres noynoy na atleast tulungan ang AFP na mabili na tlaga ang mga modernong kagamitan na ito....? Anak sila ng mga kupal talaga! :rant: :ohno:

kalbongdad

March 1st, 2011, 01:10 PM

hahaha ano -32 na diyan sa inyo?.....

spearhead

March 1st, 2011, 01:19 PM

hahaha ano -32 na diyan sa inyo?.....
Nako di ako lalabas kung ganyan kababa ano hahaha :lol: Actually it's -7 this morning tapos mamaya 0 so its gonna be good... Lapit na spring. :)

spearhead

March 1st, 2011, 01:48 PM

Watch this video by pangasinense ak, and go check this nice tank at 4:10 mark:
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:cheers:

kalbongdad

March 1st, 2011, 02:01 PM

my truth in advertising naman ang ipinakita....been to those places and indeed malaking pagbabago....yung trapik na lang ang problema dyan sa dagupan....yung provincial capitol area medyo maganda nga....ok ang leadership nitong governor na ito....as a non pangasinense ok sya para sa akin....way to go.....more progress to panga....

kalbongdad

March 1st, 2011, 02:05 PM

Nako di ako lalabas kung ganyan kababa ano hahaha :lol: Actually it's -7 this morning tapos mamaya 0 so its gonna be good... Lapit na spring. :)

rayuma aabutin ko pala dyan.....hahaha

spearhead

March 1st, 2011, 02:10 PM

rayuma aabutin ko pala dyan.....hahaha

Kung bald meat ka, ako frozen chicken hahaha :lol:

kalbongdad

March 1st, 2011, 02:45 PM

hahaha....

Simple Dude

March 1st, 2011, 03:40 PM

The Philippines will not engage in any wars with one of its closest Asian allies.

^^ i didn't actually mean that were having war, im just comparing these 2 navies.

Simple Dude

March 1st, 2011, 03:47 PM

Are you trying to put words into my mouth? My emphasis is on realism and patience. The primary focus now is on COIN operations NOT to engage foreign navies.

^^ yes, the main focus for now is actually on COIN operations,... but how come, nung panahon ni Erap eh kinaya naman ng militar natin yung Mindanao almost without any High tech weapons,... "all out war" lang naman katapat nun eh,... kaso lang pangulo natin di gaanong matigas... he needs more courage in order to establish a peaceful country... as Voltaire said "there will be no peace w/o war"... :)

kalbongdad

March 2nd, 2011, 01:42 AM

we have been in coin for decades now....and the enemy is being decimated...dapat mag move na tayo sa external defense dahil as the world resources is depleting....the urge to bully small nations gets stronger....mag umpisa na sa external defense ng small steps dahil yung mga assets na yan hindi yan pwedeng bilhin sa palengke....it takes years to actually buy them :ohno:

Simple Dude

March 2nd, 2011, 03:27 AM

^^ hmmm agree :okay: habang yung mentality natin na Uncle Sam is always there... walang mangyayari sa sandatahang lakas natin,...

Alinghi

March 2nd, 2011, 03:51 AM

^^ yes, the main focus for now is actually on COIN operations,... but how come, nung panahon ni Erap eh kinaya naman ng militar natin yung Mindanao almost without any High tech weapons,... "all out war" lang naman katapat nun eh,... kaso lang pangulo natin di gaanong matigas... he needs more courage in order to establish a peaceful country... as Voltaire said "there will be no peace w/o war"... :)

is pursuing peace talks between the CPP-NPA and MILF right after he took office not courageous enough for you? ano gusto mo mangyari?

kesa naman tularan nya si Erap na nag all-out war nga, tapos daan-daan ang namatay, andaming sibilyang nadamay, tapos yung walang kwentang "takeover" ng Camp Abubakar na panay pang photo ops at pampapogi lamang.. tapos ano yung nakuha natin dun?

dapat by now, lahat ng pinoy alam na na kelanman hindi magiging solusyon ang opensibang militar sa insurgency.. the military can win it technically for us, but it's not enough

firebar10

March 2nd, 2011, 05:03 AM

Parchie

March 2nd, 2011, 06:23 AM

The insurgency will never be solved by military solution only, this the government know already, what will kill the insurgency is social development and justice, that is why the peace talks is being supported by the military because they knew that this conflict siphon in much resources from the AFP which can be used for more beneficial purpose like modernization. Now if the government can eradicate this nuisance called NPA/MILF, then they can easily divert resources to more pressing needs of external defense and we can start building a strong navy and air force.

Who is espousing the "military option" here? If you choose the carrot as your method, that's fine with me. But that doesn't mean you are barred from bringing along a bigger stick, or does it? (If you get what I mean.) We were not born yesterday, IMO. We already knew what's wrong but would you bet your life on the belief that those rebels mean good to us? Nuts! A better position would be to always have plans A, B, C, or even a plan D. You'll never know what's in the rebels' minds.

arcabe

March 2nd, 2011, 09:36 AM

kaya nga "If you want Peace make War"......

firebar10

March 2nd, 2011, 02:36 PM

That is why I said not a military solution only, I agree at the tactical level we should always have plans A to Z, what I am saying is the root cause of insurgency is far deeper than what a military operation can uproot, it has got to be hand in hand with rural social development.

Alinghi

March 2nd, 2011, 03:35 PM

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/pinoylumix/938362-11-02-25-hms-cumberland.jpg

i just learned that the British warship who ferried the 1st batch of Filipinos from Benghazi, Libya to Valleta, Malta (HMS Cumberland F-85, a Type-22 Frigate) was supposed to be on it's way back to the UK for decommissioning and to be turned into SCRAP this April.

eto sana niligawan bilhin ng AFP imbes na antiquated el-cheapo ex. USCG asset

kalbongdad

March 2nd, 2011, 05:12 PM

Alinghi

March 2nd, 2011, 05:34 PM

oo nga mukhang kick ass pa ito...kesa don.....ngayon siguro dapat i reconsider ang pagbili ng MRVs....para makatugon sa pangangailangan ng panahon lalo na marami tayong OFW....

it carried 200+ people, including Filipinos, from Libya to Malta

yup i totally support an MRV acquisition

here's a sneak peak into its armaments:

2 x Sea Wolf Anti-Air System (Total of 72 Sea Wolf missiles)
2 x Quad Harpoon Anti-Ship Missile Launchers (total of 8 Harpoon Missiles)
2 x Triple Magazine-launched Anti-Submarine Torpedo Tubes (total of 36 Torpedoes)
1 x 4.5 inch (114 mm) Mk.8 gun
2 × 20 mm GAM-BO1 guns
2 x Goalkeeper CIWS
NATO Seagnat Decoy Launchers

Aircraft carried:
2 x Lynx Mk.8 Helicopters.
Armed with
4 x Sea Skua Anti-Ship Missiles
2 x Sting Ray Anti-Submarine Torpedoes
2 x Mk 11 Depth Charges
2 x Machine Guns

spearhead

March 2nd, 2011, 07:32 PM

it carried 200+ people, including Filipinos, from Libya to Malta

yup i totally support an MRV acquisition

here's a sneak peak into its armaments:

2 x Sea Wolf Anti-Air System (Total of 72 Sea Wolf missiles)
2 x Quad Harpoon Anti-Ship Missile Launchers (total of 8 Harpoon Missiles)
2 x Triple Magazine-launched Anti-Submarine Torpedo Tubes (total of 36 Torpedoes)
1 x 4.5 inch (114 mm) Mk.8 gun
2 × 20 mm GAM-BO1 guns
2 x Goalkeeper CIWS
NATO Seagnat Decoy Launchers

Aircraft carried:
2 x Lynx Mk.8 Helicopters.
Armed with
4 x Sea Skua Anti-Ship Missiles
2 x Sting Ray Anti-Submarine Torpedoes
2 x Mk 11 Depth Charges
2 x Machine Guns

oo nga mukhang kick ass pa ito...kesa don.....ngayon siguro dapat i reconsider ang pagbili ng MRVs....para makatugon sa pangangailangan ng panahon lalo na marami tayong OFW....

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/pinoylumix/938362-11-02-25-hms-cumberland.jpg

i just learned that the British warship who ferried the 1st batch of Filipinos from Benghazi, Libya to Valleta, Malta (HMS Cumberland F-85, a Type-22 Frigate) was supposed to be on it's way back to the UK for decommissioning and to be turned into SCRAP this April.

eto sana niligawan bilhin ng AFP imbes na antiquated el-cheapo ex. USCG asset

Sayang talaga yang frigate nayan, yung sister ship nya ini-scrap na ata eh... yung HMS Chatham. Tsk tlaga itong pilipinas masyadong umaasa sa US kahit bulok na yung binebenta basta lang may masabing malaki na barko.... haaaay buhaaay talaga.... tapos ito puro lang pala kurapsyon nangyayari sa pilipinas kaya hindi na sumusulong ang armed forces....... ang pilipinas meron talagang pera yan kahit na makipag government to government deal sila kakayanin nila kung gugustuhin lang nila talaga na bumili ng mga mas modernong barko o eroplano, kulang lang kasi sa political will ang gobyerno para bigyan ng masmalaking budget ang AFP, tapos sasabayan pa ng pangbubulsa...... tsk tsk tsk :ohno:

Nabartek

March 3rd, 2011, 04:07 AM

Hindi ba kayang tumulong kahit papaano mga local airlines natin esp. PAL? Nakakahiya naman kasi na ibang bansa eh kumukupkop ng mga Pinoy sa Libya.

Bahay_Kubo

March 3rd, 2011, 02:39 PM

Philippines sends warplanes near disputed islands
By JIM GOMEZ, Associated Press (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/ap/20110303/tap-as-philippines-disputed-islands-2nd-fe2a5de.html)
2 hours 1 minute ago

MANILA, Philippines – The Philippine military deployed two warplanes near the disputed South China Sea region after a local ship searching for oil complained it was harassed by two Chinese patrol boats, officials said Thursday.

The Chinese vessels later left without confrontation, said Philippine military commander Lt. Gen. Juancho Sabban.

The incident happened Wednesday at the Reed Bank, which is near the disputed Spratly Islands that are claimed by the Philippines, China and other nations, said Sabban, who heads the military's Western Command. Philippine officials said the Reed Bank is clearly within Philippine territory.

The Philippine government asked the Chinese Embassy to explain, presidential spokesman Ricky Carandang said.

"The boats approached in a way that the Philippine vessel thought it was better to back off," Carandang told The Associated Press.

Chinese Embassy spokesman Ethan Sun declined to immediately comment.

The Spratlys, a group of islands, reefs and atolls believed to be sitting stop vast oil and gas reserves, has been claimed in whole or in part by China, Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan, Vietnam and the Philippines. It has long been regarded as a potential flash point for conflict in Asia.

Sabban said he deployed an OV-10 bomber plane and an Islander light aircraft to the Reed Bank to undertake surveillance after the Philippine ship radioed his command that two suspected Chinese patrol boats approached and ordered it to leave the area.

When the planes reached the area, the foreign vessels have left, he said.

"It's clearly our territory," Sabban told the AP. "If they'll bully us, well, even children will fight back."

The vast sea area where the incident happened lies more than 124 miles (200 kilometers) west of the southwestern Philippine province of Palawan.

Aside from its potential oil deposits, the Spratly archipelago has rich fishing grounds and straddles busy sea lanes that are a crucial conduit for oil and other resources fueling China's fast-expanding economy and those of other Asian nations.

Beijing reacted with fury last year when U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told an Association of Southeast Asian Nations regional security forum in Vietnam that the peaceful resolution of disputes over the Spratly and Paracel island groups was in the American national interest.

Beijing said Washington was interfering in an Asian regional issue.

The United States worries the disputes could hurt access to one of the world's busiest commercial sea lanes.

President Barack Obama and ASEAN heads of state have reiterated their support for a peaceful resolution of the disputes, freedom of navigation and respect for international law in the South China Sea.

first knight

March 3rd, 2011, 02:57 PM

We should call the attention of the remaining patriotic generals in the AFP to immediately implement an honest to goodness modernization by first exposing those corrupt traitors in the military who are in the habit of buying junk armaments from the US because of the allege kickbacks that they get from such very bad transactions.

A squadron of new light attack jets and some fast attack missile armed crafts will do.

The Hamilton class cutter junk from the US should not be bought by the AFP. Unless we want to have another artifact for the AFP Museum.

Simple Dude

March 3rd, 2011, 05:02 PM

^^ buti nalang may mga ov-10s pa,... but its not really a good idea if we place them there,... kasi talagang no match to sa mga jet fighters ng China,... super outnumbered pa,... yes, we can able to fight but the problem is to "WIN" and drive those Chinese bastards back to their land,... we obviously lack weapons to protect our country...

Alinghi

March 3rd, 2011, 05:14 PM

Hindi ba kayang tumulong kahit papaano mga local airlines natin esp. PAL? Nakakahiya naman kasi na ibang bansa eh kumukupkop ng mga Pinoy sa Libya.

companies like PAL will only go if they are chartered by the government

umarkila na ang DFA ng cruise ship (Ionian Queen) galing Greece para humakot ng mga kababayan natin

airlift capability sana like C-130 kung meron sana siguro by now eh nakauwi na lahat.. hanggang ngayon marami pang pinoy na trap sa Al-Sabha (desert oil field ng Libya) hindi makapunta ng Tripoli or Benghazi (8-10 hours away by land) kasi nagkakabombahan na along the highway at panay nakawan at harassment sa mga checkpoint :nuts:

bitoy

March 3rd, 2011, 07:25 PM

Alinghi

March 3rd, 2011, 08:17 PM

^^ there's always the diplomatic channel to relay our humanitarian mission to fetch our folk before we bring it in, i'm sure it won't be misunderstood as long as we inform them in advance both the regime and the opposition since we already have DFA emissaries on the ground in Libya

possible stopovers would be Saudi-India-Thailand vice-versa if reliability was an issue so that maintenance can be made.. if only we had this airlift capability NOW

spearhead

March 4th, 2011, 02:57 AM

^^ Our C-130s are very unreliable to last on a very long flight, besides, using a military airplane might send a wrong message to the warring parties in Libya.
Hindi tayo katulad ng US o British na me alalay na mga commandos and logistic support in executing a military rescue.

Our C-130's are not reliable but other upgraded versions of C-130J's are kick ass. Recently the canadian airforce have sent atleast one C130J to pickup their stranded citizens from Libya.

bitoy

March 4th, 2011, 03:15 AM

Our C-130's are not reliable but other upgraded versions of C-130J's are kick ass. Recently the canadian airforce have sent atleast one C130J to pickup their stranded citizens from Libya.

They must have also use their C-17s for the long journey. C-130s can only carry a few evacuees, they might have been used for special missions or short-hop pick ups of evacuees.

Bahay_Kubo

March 4th, 2011, 09:10 AM

China asked to explain harassment of PH ship
By Norman Bordadora
Philippine Daily Inquirer (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/20110304-323451/China-asked-to-explain-harassment-of-PH-ship)
First Posted 16:03:00 03/04/2011

MANILA, Philippines—Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert Del Rosario confirmed Friday that a Philippine ship changed direction off Palawan in the South China Sea after it encountered two Chinese boats in the area that allegedly tried to drive it away last Wednesday.

Del Rosario said the incident happened within Philippine territory and the government is now seeking an explanation from the Chinese side of what transpired.

“We are asking our Chinese friends (for) an explanation (of) what happened and we are in dialog with them. I would prefer that we leave it at that until I can get back to you with some more information,” Del Rosario said in a news briefing in Malacañang.

“That is our territory. We ascertained that is within our territory,” Del Rosario said when asked whether the incident between the Philippine vessel and the Chinese boats happened in the country’s waters.

Del Rosario said he saw no connection between asking for an explanation of the incident from the Chinese and the fate of the Filipinos on death row in China.

“I don’t know where that information is coming from but from where I sit I see no connection. We’re still in the process and we will continue to be in the process of seeking clemency for people who had received capital punishment sentences,” Del Rosario said.

“The policy of this government is that we will seek clemency to the very last minute. It has nothing to do with anything else,” he added.

gaLj

March 4th, 2011, 09:27 AM

^^
They should have sent the venerable BRP Rajah Humabon.

His presence alone is enough to dissuade Chinese Vessels from violating our waters.

Bahay_Kubo

March 4th, 2011, 09:36 AM

^^ actually, the Navy already sent BRP Rizal to secure both the area and the DOE research vessel that operates on it.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk9/divingjp/a6132cd4.jpg
-- BRP Rizal, a World War II-era Auk class patrol corvette of the Philippine Navy.

Alinghi

March 4th, 2011, 11:04 AM

^^ they should permanently station the BRP Mariano Alvarez in Palawan near Malampaya.. it would fare better because it has the speed and capability to deploy RHIB's

gentlemuscleman

March 4th, 2011, 12:34 PM

actually, the Navy already sent BRP Rizal to secure both the area and the DOE research vessel that operates on it.

hehehe magpapadala ang navy ng mga bulok na barko at bulok na eroplano,matatawa lang ang mga chinese sa mga barko at eroplano na pinadala ng pinas.hangat hindi natin mono modernize ang afp mas marami pang cases na ganyan in the future.mga tanga at corrupt kasi ang afp natin.:cheers::cheers::cheers::ohno::ohno:

xzibit31

March 4th, 2011, 12:45 PM

boypad

March 4th, 2011, 02:05 PM

China to PHL: It's our territorial waters :ohno:

By Jun Pasaylo (philstar.com)
Updated March 04, 2011 06:06 PM
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=662992&publicationSubCategoryId=200

MANILA, Philippines – The government of China insists sovereignty on the area where a Filipino ship, searching for oil near the disputed Spratly Islands, were allegedly harassed by Chinese patrol boats.

In a statement, Ethan Sun, China’s spokesman and deputy chief of Political Section here, said his nation has sovereignty over the area where the reported harassment happened.

“What I want to point out is that, ever since ancient times, China has indisputable sovereignty over Nansha Islands and their adjacent waters,” he pointed out.

He assured that China is sticking to the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea, and committed to maintaining peace and stability in the area.

“The Chinese side maintains that the related disputes should be resolved through peaceful negotiations,” he pointed out.

The statement came after the Philippine government sought explanation of the incident.

Early today, Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario said talks are ongoing with the Chinese government over the incident at the Reed Bank, a territory claimed by the Philippines.

Arvor

March 4th, 2011, 02:37 PM

Simple Dude

March 4th, 2011, 02:58 PM

^^ i don't wanna say this,... pero parang katawa-tawa talaga yung nangyari,... i hope this would be a wake up call for our corrupt politicians and Generals specially,... i don't want the worst thing to happen in the future,... na kung saan makikita nalang natin na nasusunog na bansa natin,...

Alinghi

March 4th, 2011, 03:21 PM

come on China pick someone your own size! :bash: :bash: :bash:

crossboneka

March 4th, 2011, 07:23 PM

china answers back

http://chzmemeafterdark.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/naughty-memes-someones-got-missile-lock.jpg

fenix

March 4th, 2011, 07:43 PM

Philippine AF back then

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http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/a458/edguzy/46787_140436385998005_123608567680787_185566_1169664_n.jpg?t=1289957213

not my pics

Alinghi

March 4th, 2011, 08:06 PM

^^ F-86 Sabres, F-8 Crusaders, and F-5 Tigers

The F-8 Crusader was the biggest shopping mistake that the PAF made with the shortest service life spent in the force.. they were supposed to be carrier-based aircraft with little endurance and had a horrific appetite for avgas :bash: the only thing they had was all-weather capability :nuts:

anyway, those were the good old days when our neighbors just can't afford to bully us or else they'll be toast :lol:

crossboneka

March 4th, 2011, 08:12 PM

guys and gals i have a question, what's the best fighter planes we have now?

bitoy

March 4th, 2011, 08:19 PM

^^ Were those F-8 purchased or there was a deal for them during the Marcos administration?
For sale as scrap na yata according to the PAF website ang mga ito.

http://www.hueybravo.net/images/Airfoirce/F8Hpark032403.jpg

:lol: DONATION BOX...

Nabartek

March 4th, 2011, 11:50 PM

come on China pick someone your own size! :bash: :bash: :bash:

It is afraid of a country its own size! To show the world how "powerful" they are, they pick on smaller nations. Why not pick on Russia, China?

Chip Tsao is right after all in his controversial satrical writing. China would bully and violate its small neighbors' sovereignty but it would kiss Russia's @s$.

If China continues this, it's high time for ASEAN to take the lead to reject China's one-China policy and recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state.

Terese Ang-See is right after all. China would have more guts to violate our sovereignty. I wouldn't be surprised if their next target would be Batanes and Palawan.

China government is very hypocritical. They complained when Clinton made a speech yet here they are violating its neighbors sovereignty. Last week, Vietnam naman pinagtripan nila. Disputed area yung tinira nila kahit ang tagal nang nakikipagusap na wag gumawa ang China ng ikasisira ng paguusap sa Spratlys, pero hayun. Tapos magrereklamo sila na sinissiraan daw sila ng Kanluran eh sila mismo ang gumagawa ng masamang image nila.

China, it's time to look inward. Don't forget that your southern neighbors have strong unofficial diplomatic ties with Taiwan.

South East Asia may not have the military power but we can destabilize China in one click.

Nabartek

March 4th, 2011, 11:56 PM

Well ive said it before, it does not matter wheter we are friendly with the US or non friendly or even friendly to China, they care only about one thing grabbing as much ressources as they possibly can to sustain their economy and our country will be the subject of much bullying in the future no matter what we do politically simply due to our proximity and ressources located in our EEZ .

It's funny how they claim they haven't done what the west has done in Asia yet they are heading that path and denying it.:lol:

Free Taiwan! Reject one-China policy unless China stops bullying its neighbors!

I'd like to add: buti nalang di natuloy yung NBN deal with China, baka di natin alam, kinokolektahan na pala tayo ng supersecret na information.

first knight

March 5th, 2011, 01:33 AM

The Chinese nations are really trying annoy, provoke and humiliate us.

Reality tells us that we cant engage in a shooting war with China--even small and limited armed skirmishes...

The only way is through diplomatic channel and ask our ASEAN breathen for help.

On the other hand, Im afraid, in my opinion, only Indonesia and Brunei might help us.

Malaysia, Thailand, Singapore, Vietnam would like us pulverized for economic and territorial reasons.

Cambodia, Laos and Myanmar will be fence sitters. US, forget this country.Will not even lift a finger.

Time to rearm the Philippines.

Moronic generals of the AFP, use the money given to you wisely and buy weapons for our defense.

China snubs PH protest

Aquino to send ‘Spratlys expert’ to Beijing

By Jerome Aning, Norman Bordadora
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 00:45:00 03/05/2011

MANILA, Philippines — China on Friday brushed aside complaints that Chinese patrol boats had inappropriately harassed a Philippine oil exploration vessel near the disputed Spratlys group of islands in the South China Sea last Wednesday.

President Aquino on Friday said the government had filed a protest with the Chinese embassy, demanding an explanation from Beijing over the incident at the Reed Bank, which officials said was clearly within Philippine territory.

The President said a “Spratlys expert” was also headed to China to discuss the issue with Chinese officials.

The military deployed two warplanes to the area last Wednesday after the oil exploration vessel contracted by the Department of Energy radioed for help, saying it was being approached by two Chinese patrol boats.

The Chinese vessels later left without a confrontation, said Lt. Gen. Juancho Sabban, head of the military’s Western Command.

When the planes reached the area, the foreign vessels had left, said Sabban.

“It’s clearly our territory. If they’ll bully us, well, even children will fight back,” he said.

Nabartek

March 5th, 2011, 02:12 AM

^^^
I don't think Singapore will go against the Philippine sin case of this one. And they don't have the reason to as far as I know.

Ang dating ng China sa akin sa totoo lang, eh hindi pa hari eh naghahari-harian na. I think they are trying to emulate the US during 1898 (overseas expansion). Yet here they are hating on the US. Hay nako, copya na nga mga produkto nila pati US style ng US gusto nilang copyahin.

The only we weapon we have that I can think of is mending our relations with Taiwan by recognizing Taiwan as a sovereign state. China would be mad, I know, but they have never been friendly to us...as in genuinely friendly. My only worry with Taiwan is that they seem to be claiming that the Philippines has a weak claim on Batanes. We are not claiming Batanes. It is an INTEGRAL part of our country.

If Taiwan gets its independence, China will collapse as other groups(Tibetans and Uyghurs in particular) would have the guts to secede.

spearhead

March 5th, 2011, 02:19 AM

They must have also use their C-17s for the long journey. C-130s can only carry a few evacuees, they might have been used for special missions or short-hop pick ups of evacuees.

Yep they did send one C-17.

China to PHL: It's our territorial waters :ohno:

By Jun Pasaylo (philstar.com)
Updated March 04, 2011 06:06 PM
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=662992&publicationSubCategoryId=200

MANILA, Philippines – The government of China insists sovereignty on the area where a Filipino ship, searching for oil near the disputed Spratly Islands, were allegedly harassed by Chinese patrol boats.

In a statement, Ethan Sun, China’s spokesman and deputy chief of Political Section here, said his nation has sovereignty over the area where the reported harassment happened.

“What I want to point out is that, ever since ancient times, China has indisputable sovereignty over Nansha Islands and their adjacent waters,” he pointed out.

He assured that China is sticking to the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea, and committed to maintaining peace and stability in the area.

“The Chinese side maintains that the related disputes should be resolved through peaceful negotiations,” he pointed out.

The statement came after the Philippine government sought explanation of the incident.

Early today, Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario said talks are ongoing with the Chinese government over the incident at the Reed Bank, a territory claimed by the Philippines.

Wow wala tayong panumbat dito. :nuts:

first knight

March 5th, 2011, 02:20 AM

Nabartek

March 5th, 2011, 02:33 AM

Singapore is also a claimant and an economic competitor.

But recognizing Taiwan as a sovereign state, alas, pardon me, you will just make the situation worse.

You are not using diplomacy here, you are provoking a superpower. Admit it or not.

I am not. I don't think China is as military strong as it claim. It can't even do the same thing it does with Russia as it is doing to its Southern neighbors (Chip Tsao was right after all). China will never give up its claims even to Vietnam to whom it lost a short war in the late 70's.

Taiwan has every right be be sovereign. They use a different passport when traveling outside Taiwan and prior the the PRC, most nations recognized Taiwan. It is likely China will break down if Taiwan secedes. Pro-democracy protests nga eh, hindi pinapakita sa media. I suspect, it is because it not censoring will really make Taiwan and Tibet as independent states.

I'm not sure about Singapore claim but Brunei definitely has...and it even overlaps with Philippine claims. Maybe you are talking about Brunei rather than Singapore?

The only thing that could really resolve this claim on Spratly's is to declare the Spratly's a NO CLAIM ZONE by the UN (if they have the power to, but I don't think so). China will not give up its claim on 80% of the Spratly's. And their "peaceful" resolve means they have to get their neighbors kissing its @s$. Don't forget that China has also border skirmishes, probably more violent than the Spratly's, with India. It's the same thing with Vietnam. It's claiming almost all of the islands.

kalbongdad

March 5th, 2011, 02:45 AM

you can only defend your territory with air and naval assets....not with bunganga ni pnoy.....

Nabartek

March 5th, 2011, 02:57 AM

you can only defend your territory with air and naval assets....not with bunganga ni pnoy.....

I think the military problem is from the 70's. Or probably post-WW2. Pnoy is not entirely to blame.

diz

March 5th, 2011, 03:12 AM

first knight

March 5th, 2011, 03:14 AM

you can only defend your territory with air and naval assets....not with bunganga ni pnoy.....

You cant defend the philippines either by your constant blabbering or by your rabid but nonsense attack against the Philippine president Pnoy-whether you like it or not.

At the very least, the move of Pnoy is pragmatic and not about senseless baseless crticism.

first knight

March 5th, 2011, 03:31 AM

I am not. I don't think China is as military strong as it claim. It can't even do the same thing it does with Russia as it is doing to its Southern neighbors (Chip Tsao was right after all). China will never give up its claims even to Vietnam to whom it lost a short war in the late 70's.

Taiwan has every right be be sovereign. They use a different passport when traveling outside Taiwan and prior the the PRC, most nations recognized Taiwan. It is likely China will break down if Taiwan secedes. Pro-democracy protests nga eh, hindi pinapakita sa media. I suspect, it is because it not censoring will really make Taiwan and Tibet as independent states.

I'm not sure about Singapore claim but Brunei definitely has...and it even overlaps with Philippine claims. Maybe you are talking about Brunei rather than Singapore?

The only thing that could really resolve this claim on Spratly's is to declare the Spratly's a NO CLAIM ZONE by the UN (if they have the power to, but I don't think so). China will not give up its claim on 80% of the Spratly's. And their "peaceful" resolve means they have to get their neighbors kissing its @s$. Don't forget that China has also border skirmishes, probably more violent than the Spratly's, with India. It's the same thing with Vietnam. It's claiming almost all of the islands.

First point, China is a military power. Superpower actually. Check the numbers of the PLA. Then the armaments China has. Thats a truth. We are puny compared to them. Diplomacy is an option then.

Second point, we are not Russia.

Third point, Taiwan is not anymore recognized as a sovereign state today. Its now recognized as Chinese-taipei, a mere province of China. It will do no good for the country to recognize this taiwan, who just recently threw its sense of decency by making our OFWs as pawn for their criminals.

Fourth point, Brunei, if my memory is right, never made any move to harm our relations with them. Singapore has hurt us in some cases (OFW and trade relations). Singapore is also our intense economic competitor (trade, investments, tourism)

Fifth, based on the issues you brought about China's behavior with regards to international law (superpowers tend to ignore UN and WTO agreements but tends to fear international backlash)and its border wars with neighbors, what can the Philippines possibly do in the light of our lack of military capability?

We can only plea for an international attention by making such Chinese intrusions as an international issue. And it can be done by smart diplomatic offensive.

Taiwan recognition is not an option. China-Taiwan row is an internal problem of greater China. Let the giants like China and US quarrel on the Taiwan issue.

We should not meddle in the fight of superpowers.

Again, in the first place, what can we do? Even Hongkong and Taiwan perceive as a garbage.

Remember this,

Two steps backward, one step forward.

This is the strategy we can use for now against mighty China and greater China (Hongkong and Taiwan)

Nabartek

March 5th, 2011, 04:01 AM

First point, China is a military power. Superpower actually. Check the numbers of the PLA. Then the armaments China has. Thats a truth. We are puny compared to them. Diplomacy is an option then.

Second point, we are not Russia.

Third point, Taiwan is not anymore recognized as a sovereign state today. Its now recognized as Chinese-taipei, a mere province of China. It will do no good for the country to recognize this taiwan, who just recently threw its sense of decency by making our OFWs as pawn for their criminals.

Fourth point, Brunei, if my memory is right, never made any move to harm our relations with them. Singapore has hurt us in some cases (OFW and trade relations). Singapore is also our intense economic competitor (trade, investments, tourism)

Fifth, based on the issues you brought about China's behavior with regards to international law (superpowers tend to ignore UN and WTO agreements but tends to fear international backlash)and its border wars with neighbors, what can the Philippines possibly do in the light of our lack of military capability?

We can only plea for an international attention by making such Chinese intrusions as an international issue. And it can be done by smart diplomatic offensive.

Taiwan recognition is not an option. China-Taiwan row is an internal problem of greater China. Let the giants like China and US quarrel on the Taiwan issue.

We should not meddle in the fight of superpowers.

Again, in the first place, what can we do? Even Hongkong and Taiwan perceive as a garbage.

Remember this,

Two steps backward, one step forward.

This is the strategy we can use for now against mighty China and greater China (Hongkong and Taiwan)

RUSSIA: Exactly. The Philippines is not Russia, that is why China has the guts to bully us in disputed territories but not Russia.

Singapore: Economic competition is natural in free markets. Singapore has done nothing to infringe our sovereignty. Sure there's the Flor Contemplacion thing. The comments of LKY (remember that Erap commented to on the Mahatir thing in Malaysia). But they're not really doing anything to infringe our sovereignty. It's not their fault we have to compete against them. Blaming them is merely a sign of insecurity. Remember how Singapore rose, how they suffered when Malaysia decided to kick them out of the Federation. Don't forget that we owe them too for accepting Filipino workers--both domestic helpers and professionals. Something they give us that our own government has eversince failed to do.

BRUNEI: Brunei may not seem as threat as of the moment but who knows? I wish they don't. Their interests overlaps with us. Malaysia, I know we don't trust them due to Sabah issues which is more complicated issue than Spratly's .

INTERNATIONAL PLEA: That, I agree with. And any offensive move of China (at least more offensive what they have done) will lead to their self-destruction. Just imagine China invading de facto territorial waters of Vietnam and the Philippines. It will also pull the US into the region due to our mutual defense treaty that hasn't expired or been revoked. How would the international community react? Probably embargo and recognition of Taiwan as a sovereign state. Perhaps Tibet, too. Honestly, I think China is on its way to self-destruction. India has reportedly NOT reaffirmed the one-China policy due to border clashes with China. China's reaction (very predictable): "stop meddling with Asian affairs".

TAIWAN: Yes, but historically, it was when China wasn't. Taiwan uses its own passport and the Taiwanese and some "permit" to be able to travel to the mainland. And not to forget, until the fiasco we had unofficial diplomatic relations with Taiwan. Anytime, their sovereignty can be given to them. Like East Timor when Indonesia occupied them. Now they are a free country. I won't touch Hongkong and Macau since it doesn't seem to be wanting independence but Taiwan does. Taiwan independence could lead to Tibetan and Uyghur and probably inner Mongolian struggle independence. China would be busy with its internal turmoil than bothering its neighbors. Maybe, we should keep China busy :D

MILITARY POWER: I don't think China is as military powerful as the US or even Russia. A lot tend to be exaggerated by the Chinese government, sadly. Of course, compared to us, they are superior.

We do not have to step backward. We just have to take baby steps and maintain our feet on the ground.

kalbongdad

March 5th, 2011, 05:00 AM

You cant defend the philippines either by your constant blabbering or by your rabid but nonsense attack against the Philippine president Pnoy-whether you like it or not.

At the very least, the move of Pnoy is pragmatic and not about senseless baseless crticism.

baseless pala.....paki visit mo ang defense forum...and check yung mga pinaguusapan sa defense forum.....yung pag cancel ng mga pagbili ng air and naval assets....dahil daw sa corruption.....yes tita nasa pipeline na yan mga yan dahil may timeline na sinusunod ang afp modernization biglang back to square one dahil lang sa panahon ni little evil gloria ginawa ang procurement....at ayaw ni wimpy kid......any maraming angles yan....magsikhay ka na lang......go read.....

Nabartek

March 5th, 2011, 05:06 AM

baseless pala.....paki visit mo ang defense forum...and check yung mga pinaguusapan sa defense forum.....yung pag cancel ng mga pagbili ng air and naval assets....dahil daw sa corruption.....yes tita nasa pipeline na yan mga yan dahil may timeline na sinusunod ang afp modernization biglang back to square one dahil lang sa panahon ni little evil gloria ginawa ang procurement....at ayaw ni wimpy kid......any maraming angles yan....magsikhay ka na lang......go read.....

sana iwasan naman nating ang name calling. be constructive. ayun lang po

Bahay_Kubo

March 5th, 2011, 07:08 AM

Government asks China to explain ship incident
Sun Star Manila (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/manila/local-news/2011/03/04/government-asks-china-explain-ship-incident-143094)
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/manila/local-new...incident-143094 (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/manila/local-news/2011/03/04/government-asks-china-explain-ship-incident-143094)

x x x

The two Chinese vessels left as military aircrafts were deployed to check on the information. An Air Force plane was able to take photographs of the white Chinese ships bearing the numbers 71 and 75, a military source said.

x x x

the Chinese ships in question are one of the newly-built vessels of the China Marine Surveillance (CMS) (http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/marine-surveillance/default.asp)

http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90783/91300/7179145.html

Fastest ocean surveillance vessel serves in South China Sea
13:20, October 27, 2010

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--On Oct. 26, No. 75, the fastest ocean surveillance vessel from the China Marine Surveillance Department, anchors on the shore. It was another large ocean surveillance vessel formed into the South China Sea corps of the China Marine Surveillance Department after the launch of the China Marine Surveillance 7112 helicopter as well as the China Marine Surveillance No. 71 and No. 83 ships in 2005, which marked a new high in the level of equipment used in South China Sea marine surveillance. (Photo by Chen Yehua/Xinhua)

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-- On Oct. 26, one of the crew on board inspects working status in the cockpit of the No. 75 ocean surveillance vessel. It was another large ocean surveillance vessel formed into the South China Sea corps of the China Marine Surveillance Department after the launch of the China Marine Surveillance 7112 helicopter as well as the China Marine Surveillance No. 71 and No. 83 ships in 2005, which marked a new high in the level of equipment used in South China Sea marine surveillance. (Photo by Chen Yehua/Xinhua)

http://i51.tinypic.com/156y7hl.jpg
-- On Oct. 26, No. 75, the fastest ocean surveillance vessel from the China Marine Surveillance Department, anchors on the shore. It was another large ocean surveillance vessel formed into the South China Sea corps of the China Marine Surveillance Department after the launch of the China Marine Surveillance 7112 helicopter as well as the China Marine Surveillance No. 71 and No. 83 ships in 2005, which marked a new high in the level of equipment used in South China Sea marine surveillance. (Photo by Chen Yehua/Xinhua)

itlogo

March 5th, 2011, 07:19 AM

China snubs PH protest
Aquino to send ‘Spratlys expert’ to Beijing

By Jerome Aning, Norman Bordadora
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 00:45:00 03/05/2011

Filed Under: Foreign affairs & international relations, Diplomacy, Conflicts (general), Benigno Aquino III, Protest, Military, Waterway & Maritime Transport, Oil & Gas - Upstream activities, Overseas Employment
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MANILA, Philippines — China on Friday brushed aside complaints that Chinese patrol boats had inappropriately harassed a Philippine oil exploration vessel near the disputed Spratlys group of islands in the South China Sea last Wednesday.

President Aquino on Friday said the government had filed a protest with the Chinese embassy, demanding an explanation from Beijing over the incident at the Reed Bank, which officials said was clearly within Philippine territory.

The President said a “Spratlys expert” was also headed to China to discuss the issue with Chinese officials.

The military deployed two warplanes to the area last Wednesday after the oil exploration vessel contracted by the Department of Energy radioed for help, saying it was being approached by two Chinese patrol boats.

The Chinese vessels later left without a confrontation, said Lt. Gen. Juancho Sabban, head of the military’s Western Command.

When the planes reached the area, the foreign vessels had left, said Sabban.

“It’s clearly our territory. If they’ll bully us, well, even children will fight back,” he said.

‘Our territory’

Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario on Friday stressed that the incident occurred within Philippine territory and the government was seeking an explanation from the Chinese.

“That is our territory. We ascertained that is within our territory,” the foreign secretary said.

“We are asking our Chinese friends [for] an explanation and we are in dialogue with them. I would prefer that we leave it at that,” he told a news briefing in Malacañang.

Nansha or Spratlys?

Ethan Sun, a spokesperson for the Chinese embassy, did not comment directly on the incident, saying only that the mission was taking note of the reports.

But he insisted China had sovereignty over the disputed area, called the Nansha islands by the Chinese and Spratly islands by everyone else.

“I want to point out that since historical times China has had indisputable sovereignty over the Nansha islands and their adjacent waters,” Sun said.

Sun said he hoped the matter would be discussed through negotiations.

“China has been consistently sticking to the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea, and committed to maintaining peace and stability in the South China Sea. The Chinese side maintains that the related disputes should be resolved through peaceful negotiations,” Sun added.

The Spratly islands, a reputedly oil-rich chain of tiny islands and reefs in the South China Sea, are claimed in whole or in part by Brunei, China, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam.

Mr. Aquino said what he wanted was to “de-escalate” the situation.

He said an unarmed Philippine Coast Guard patrol ship has been deployed to secure the oil exploration vessel, which would resume its activity at the Reed Bank.

“The Coast Guard will ensure that our rights are protected by making sure that this survey ship granted authority by our government finishes its job,” he said.

Asked if the government would ask Beijing to apologize, he said: “If I will answer that, we will encourage the situation where they will have to say things publicly. I will have to respond.”

“We will be driven by our respective publics not to talk to each other. And I don’t think anybody wants that,” he said.

Approached threateningly

The vast sea area where the incident happened lies 250 kilometers west of the southwestern province of Palawan. The Reed Bank is part of the Kalayaan island group in the Spratly chain that is claimed by the Philippines.

A Philippine military official said the Chinese boats maneuvered close at least twice, apparently trying to show that they would ram the Philippine vessel, only to turn away when they got close.

They did not fire any warning shot and later moved away, said the official who asked not to be named because he was not authorized to talk to the media.

The military said the Chinese patrol boats ordered the Philippine vessel to leave. But it said the patrol boats themselves eventually moved on when the planes arrived in the area.

Sabban said he deployed an OV-10 bomber plane and an Islander light aircraft to the Reed Bank after the Philippine ship radioed his command.

When the planes reached the area, the foreign vessels had left, he said.

The Philippine Navy on Friday said it has sent additional ships to the Kalayaan group which is considered a municipality of Palawan.

Defensive posture

Rear Admiral Alexander Pama, the Navy Flag Officer in Command, said the military is taking a defensive posture to discourage similar incidents, but was leaving all discussions of the Reed Bank incident to the country’s diplomats.

“We did not initiate that (incident). It was the other side who did. We are just taking a posture that would more or less discourage them from doing the same thing,” he said.

Whether it would happen again, he said, that would depend on discussions at the diplomatic level.

“We have augmented our patrol ships, it’s up to the Western Command how to direct them,” Pama said.

Potential flash point

Aside from its potential oil deposits, the Spratly archipelago has rich fishing grounds and straddles busy sea lanes that are a crucial conduit for oil and other resources fueling China’s fast-expanding economy and those of other Asian nations. It has long been regarded as a potential flash point for conflict in Asia.

Beijing reacted with fury in 2010 when US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton told an Association of Southeast Asian Nations regional security forum in Vietnam that the peaceful resolution of disputes over the Spratly and Paracel island groups was in the US national interest.

Beijing said Washington was interfering in an Asian regional issue.

The United States worries the disputes could hurt access to one of the world’s busiest commercial sea lanes.

Unrelated to death row OFWs

Del Rosario said he sees no connection between asking for an explanation from the Chinese over the incident and the government’s attempts to obtain clemency for several hundred Filipinos currently in death row in China.

He said the government will continue to ask for clemency for the Filipinos facing execution in China while, at the same time, ask for an explanation from the Chinese on the conduct of their citizens in the Philippines such as in the case of last Wednesday’s incident.

“I don’t know where that information is coming from but from where I sit I see no connection. We’re still in the process and we will continue to be in the process of seeking clemency for people who had received capital punishment sentences,” Del Rosario said.

“The policy of this government is that we will seek clemency to the very last minute. It has nothing to do with anything else,” he added. With reports from Dona Pazzibugan, AFP and AP

MR. PRESIDENT HOW COULD YOU PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THE FILIPINO WHEN THE SHIP YOU DEPLOYED IS UNARMED?

Bobo nyo naman, mahilig kasi kayo mag dasal, well for your information hindi madadala sa dasal yan. At saka hindi katoliko ang mga TSINO na maniniwala sa paniniwala natin... Hindi kasi kayo naging member nang armed forces kaya hindi nyo alam ang kasabihang, "PROTECT YOUR SELF AT ALL TIMES"

Kahit sa Boxing ginagamit yan NINOY, ang bakla mo naman na hindi mo bibigyan nang armas ang coast guard... At saka ang alam ko dapat Navy na ang nag papatrol dyan... Boundary na yan, ano ka mali?

Nabartek

March 5th, 2011, 07:29 AM

^^^Baka armed naman sila ng rosary :lol:

Parchie

March 5th, 2011, 07:39 AM

^^^Baka armed naman sila ng rosary :lol:

Hehehehehe. Ano ba ang palagay mo sa pupuntahan ng mga "experts" na yan? Mag-exorcize ng devil? Hahahaha

Kunwari makipag-debate, pero ang totoo, wala ring magagawa sa mga Intsik! Kunwari merong ginagawa, magda-drama lang pala!

Nabartek

March 5th, 2011, 07:45 AM

Hehehehehe. Ano ba ang palagay mo sa pupuntahan ng mga "experts" na yan? Mag-exorcize ng devil? Hahahaha

Kunwari makipag-debate, pero ang totoo, wala ring magagawa sa mga Intsik! Kunwari merong ginagawa, magda-drama lang pala!

Gipit tayo sa armas, pero maraming rosaries, mura pa :nuts::lol:

Yellow din kaya ang caravan na ipapadala sa China? :lol:

Alinghi

March 5th, 2011, 07:49 AM

Nabartek

March 5th, 2011, 07:58 AM

Alinghi

March 5th, 2011, 08:00 AM

Humabon and the Jacinto triplets :lol:

bitoy

March 5th, 2011, 08:41 AM

Wala naman yatang panlaban ang Philippine Navy sa Chinese Silkworm Missiles.

http://www.ausairpower.net/HY-2-Fuelling-Operation-1S.jpg

Nabartek

March 5th, 2011, 08:43 AM

Wala naman yatang panlaban ang Philippine Navy sa Chinese Silkworm Missiles.

http://www.ausairpower.net/HY-2-Fuelling-Operation-1S.jpg

We can pray, pray, pray. Marami tayong rosaries. Puedeng magnovena para humingi ng himala buong araw:bash:

firebar10

March 5th, 2011, 09:42 AM

Silkworm is actually an antiquated missile, its reputations preceeds its capability much like the Scud. It looks fearsome but it can easily be defeated by rapid firing guns or interceptor missiles.

bitoy

March 5th, 2011, 09:47 AM

Wala rin naman ganito ang PN or Interceptor Missiles...

http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/july2008/phalanx_gun.jpg

Alinghi

March 5th, 2011, 10:20 AM

Bofors 40mm lang ang anti-air natin (World War II-tech).. kamukha nung gamit ng mga Anti-Gaddafi rebels ngayon na sinasakay sa pick-up :lol:

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/pinoylumix/Bofors_firing_USS_Hornet.jpg

USS Hornet circa 1945 :lol:

Bahay_Kubo

March 5th, 2011, 10:38 AM

Wala rin naman ganito ang PN or Interceptor Missiles...

http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/july2008/phalanx_gun.jpg

hopefully and God-willing, the Hamilton class high endurance cutters will have their Phalanx CIWS intact upon transfer to the Philippine Navy. ;)

http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/usa/images/whec715.jpg

Nanflexal

March 5th, 2011, 10:50 AM

MR. PRESIDENT HOW COULD YOU PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THE FILIPINO WHEN THE SHIP YOU DEPLOYED IS UNARMED?

as many people say. give them a rosary and pray.

fucking arm forces. defend-less against foreign aggression.

kyril

March 5th, 2011, 11:29 AM

MR. PRESIDENT HOW COULD YOU PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THE FILIPINO WHEN THE SHIP YOU DEPLOYED IS UNARMED?

Bobo nyo naman, mahilig kasi kayo mag dasal, well for your information hindi madadala sa dasal yan. At saka hindi katoliko ang mga TSINO na maniniwala sa paniniwala natin... Hindi kasi kayo naging member nang armed forces kaya hindi nyo alam ang kasabihang, "PROTECT YOUR SELF AT ALL TIMES"

Kahit sa Boxing ginagamit yan NINOY, ang bakla mo naman na hindi mo bibigyan nang armas ang coast guard... At saka ang alam ko dapat Navy na ang nag papatrol dyan... Boundary na yan, ano ka mali?

I agree. Pinapakita na naman ang kabobohan ni Noynoy by being such a lemming to God. Ok I'm a Catholic but not a hypocrite like the CBCP (which is why hindi ko na kayang magsimba every Sunday kasi baka sermonin ng pari ay isang hypocrisy but I will attend there again one day). And like Lea Salonga said in this blog of hers called Let Us Pray... (http://www.leasalonga.com/index.php/leas-official-blog/272-let-us-pray.html), "GOD ISN'T GOING TO COME DOWN AND FIX THINGS FOR YOU" and "Forget prayers, I want action".

Alinghi

March 5th, 2011, 12:09 PM

hopefully and God-willing, the Hamilton class high endurance cutters will have their Phalanx CIWS intact upon transfer to the Philippine Navy. ;)

no thanks.. wa epek si R2D2 kung 40++ year-old na barko naman nakalagay.. in a decade, the Hamilton will be the same antique museum-piece Humabon that we have now.. ge, bilhin nyo na :bash:

Nanflexal

March 5th, 2011, 01:01 PM

no thanks.. wa epek si R2D2 kung 40++ year-old na barko naman nakalagay.. in a decade, the Hamilton will be the same antique museum-piece Humabon that we have now.. ge, bilhin nyo na :bash:

buy it and put it in makati museum. our Bobo general win.

kalbongdad

March 5th, 2011, 01:08 PM

yan....ang story of our lives.....under the leadership of wimpy kid...:lol: manay...unsaon man nato.....bathon na ra...o labtikon....:lol:

Nanflexal

March 5th, 2011, 02:02 PM

our arm forces should be able to defend our sovereignty & the spratly incident will not happen if we have long range radar and fighter plane and modern warship.

enough for rosary and face the new challenges. think ahead not backward.

Simple Dude

March 5th, 2011, 02:35 PM

^^ one ship is never enough for us to fight against the Chinese Military,... i think for now, we should focus on strengthening our national defense 1st before it's too late... walang ginawa mga heneral natin noon, kundi mang kurakot,... so this problem may also be blamed to them as well as the previous Government,...

spearhead

March 5th, 2011, 02:39 PM

wala nang pagasa tlaga ang pilipinas! :lol:

first knight

March 5th, 2011, 02:40 PM

makes me wonder, where the hell are the bigger ships of the PN? lumulutang pa ba sila? ba't di nila i deploy dun and maintain station or loiter until this confrontation subsides? katangahan lang ang mag de-deploy ng Coast Guard SAR vessel na klarong-klaro may aggressive action na ginagawa

I concur.

On the other hand, where are these patrol vessels?

Multi-purpose Attack Crafts (MPAC)

The Philippine Navy received three (3) Philippine-designed, Taiwanese-built[14] Multi-purpose Attack Crafts (MPAC), which is similar to the Swedish Combat Boat 90. These were presented during the 111th Navy Anniversary last May 2009.[15]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Stridsb%C3%A5t_90.jpg/800px-Stridsb%C3%A5t_90.jpg
Swedish Combat boat 90

The boats are around 15 meters in length and are equipped with water jet system. It has a maximum speed of 40 knots (74 km/h) and could reach around 300 nautical miles (560 km) while traveling on a transit speed of 30 knots (56 km/h). It is made of welded aluminum and can carry 16 fully-equipped soldiers and 4 crew members or a payload of 2 tons. The ships are armed with one 50-caliber machine gun and two 7.62mm machine guns.[16]

At least 9 more units are reportedly being expected for delivery in the near future, with the bidding for the 2nd lot of 3 units already done.Expected delivery is 2nd half of 2011.[17]

Additional Patrol Killer Medium

The Philippine Navy recently commissioned an upgraded Patrol Killer Medium (PKM) patrol craft previously transferred from South Korea. BRP Emilio Liwanag (PG-118) was presented during the 112th Navy Anniversary rites.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_En-sxfOkXP8/TSO7Y5sowGI/AAAAAAAAH0c/njuXI-GKulM/s400/emilio%2Bliwanag.jpg
BRP Emilio Liwanag

[18]Source: wikipedia

kalbongdad

March 5th, 2011, 02:59 PM

we have those assets no doubt....but what we need now are sea skimming missiles, SAMs things of the sort....

Nanflexal

March 5th, 2011, 03:17 PM

ano kaya kung gumawa tayo ng web base signature campaign para bumili ng modern warship ang philippines government. it's very timely, the call is there, look around.

first knight

March 5th, 2011, 03:20 PM

ano kaya kung gumawa tayo ng web base signature campaign para bumili ng modern warship ang philippines government. it's very timely, the call is there, look around.

Its a good idea.

By the way, this is the planes used to scare the Chinese ship that entered our territory.

http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/2011/march/5/mainphoto2.gif
Flying the flag. An OV-10 bomber plane and a Navy Islander similar to the two that buzzed off two Chinese patrol boats

My hats off to our brave soldiers.

But I condemn our stupid corrupt AFP officials who keep on stealing the money of the organization.

kalbongdad

March 5th, 2011, 03:24 PM

first knight

March 5th, 2011, 03:30 PM

we could always try.....but the way things now are being amateurishly handled....hmmm baka ang bilhin ay ukay ukay yung mga patapon ng mga kano....lam mo na mga american lap dogs tong mga to....they have the best days of their lives in boston so they say....:lol: kaya kahit basura ng kano lab nila...

...especially during the time of your demigod Gloria. After 10 wasted and unproductive years, the AFP remained a junkyard of American surplus armaments.

Simple Dude

March 5th, 2011, 03:43 PM

^^ bilang Ordinaryong mamamayan,... kaunti lang magagawa natin ukol dyan,... talagang mga corrupt politiko natin,... sana ma konsensya naman si Garcia sa mga to,... if i were the leader, and were in this situation,... im gonna do something to make our military strong as hell,... but if possible ill do everything to keep our country at peace,.... anyway, "there is no peace, without War" as Voltaire said,...

Bahay_Kubo

March 5th, 2011, 03:56 PM

China snubs PH protest

Aquino to send ‘Spratlys expert’ to Beijing

By Jerome Aning, Norman Bordadora
Philippine Daily Inquirer (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20110305-323560/China-snubs-PH-protest)
First Posted 00:45:00 03/05/2011

MANILA, Philippines — China on Friday brushed aside complaints that Chinese patrol boats had inappropriately harassed a Philippine oil exploration vessel near the disputed Spratlys group of islands in the South China Sea last Wednesday.

President Aquino on Friday said the government had filed a protest with the Chinese embassy, demanding an explanation from Beijing over the incident at the Reed Bank, which officials said was clearly within Philippine territory.

The President said a “Spratlys expert” was also headed to China to discuss the issue with Chinese officials.

The military deployed two warplanes to the area last Wednesday after the oil exploration vessel contracted by the Department of Energy radioed for help, saying it was being approached by two Chinese patrol boats.

The Chinese vessels later left without a confrontation, said Lt. Gen. Juancho Sabban, head of the military’s Western Command.

When the planes reached the area, the foreign vessels had left, said Sabban.

“It’s clearly our territory. If they’ll bully us, well, even children will fight back,” he said.

‘Our territory’

Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario on Friday stressed that the incident occurred within Philippine territory and the government was seeking an explanation from the Chinese.

“That is our territory. We ascertained that is within our territory,” the foreign secretary said.

“We are asking our Chinese friends [for] an explanation and we are in dialogue with them. I would prefer that we leave it at that,” he told a news briefing in Malacañang.

Nansha or Spratlys?

Ethan Sun, a spokesperson for the Chinese embassy, did not comment directly on the incident, saying only that the mission was taking note of the reports.

But he insisted China had sovereignty over the disputed area, called the Nansha islands by the Chinese and Spratly islands by everyone else.

“I want to point out that since historical times China has had indisputable sovereignty over the Nansha islands and their adjacent waters,” Sun said.

Sun said he hoped the matter would be discussed through negotiations.

“China has been consistently sticking to the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea, and committed to maintaining peace and stability in the South China Sea. The Chinese side maintains that the related disputes should be resolved through peaceful negotiations,” Sun added.

The Spratly islands, a reputedly oil-rich chain of tiny islands and reefs in the South China Sea, are claimed in whole or in part by Brunei, China, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam.

Mr. Aquino said what he wanted was to “de-escalate” the situation.

He said an unarmed Philippine Coast Guard patrol ship has been deployed to secure the oil exploration vessel, which would resume its activity at the Reed Bank.

“The Coast Guard will ensure that our rights are protected by making sure that this survey ship granted authority by our government finishes its job,” he said.

Asked if the government would ask Beijing to apologize, he said: “If I will answer that, we will encourage the situation where they will have to say things publicly. I will have to respond.”

“We will be driven by our respective publics not to talk to each other. And I don’t think anybody wants that,” he said.

Approached threateningly

The vast sea area where the incident happened lies 250 kilometers west of the southwestern province of Palawan. The Reed Bank is part of the Kalayaan island group in the Spratly chain that is claimed by the Philippines.

A Philippine military official said the Chinese boats maneuvered close at least twice, apparently trying to show that they would ram the Philippine vessel, only to turn away when they got close.

They did not fire any warning shot and later moved away, said the official who asked not to be named because he was not authorized to talk to the media.

The military said the Chinese patrol boats ordered the Philippine vessel to leave. But it said the patrol boats themselves eventually moved on when the planes arrived in the area.

Sabban said he deployed an OV-10 bomber plane and an Islander light aircraft to the Reed Bank after the Philippine ship radioed his command.

When the planes reached the area, the foreign vessels had left, he said.

The Philippine Navy on Friday said it has sent additional ships to the Kalayaan group which is considered a municipality of Palawan.

Defensive posture

Rear Admiral Alexander Pama, the Navy Flag Officer in Command, said the military is taking a defensive posture to discourage similar incidents, but was leaving all discussions of the Reed Bank incident to the country’s diplomats.

“We did not initiate that (incident). It was the other side who did. We are just taking a posture that would more or less discourage them from doing the same thing,” he said.

Whether it would happen again, he said, that would depend on discussions at the diplomatic level.

“We have augmented our patrol ships, it’s up to the Western Command how to direct them,” Pama said.

Potential flash point

Aside from its potential oil deposits, the Spratly archipelago has rich fishing grounds and straddles busy sea lanes that are a crucial conduit for oil and other resources fueling China’s fast-expanding economy and those of other Asian nations. It has long been regarded as a potential flash point for conflict in Asia.

Beijing reacted with fury in 2010 when US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton told an Association of Southeast Asian Nations regional security forum in Vietnam that the peaceful resolution of disputes over the Spratly and Paracel island groups was in the US national interest.

Beijing said Washington was interfering in an Asian regional issue.

The United States worries the disputes could hurt access to one of the world’s busiest commercial sea lanes.

Unrelated to death row OFWs

Del Rosario said he sees no connection between asking for an explanation from the Chinese over the incident and the government’s attempts to obtain clemency for several hundred Filipinos currently in death row in China.

He said the government will continue to ask for clemency for the Filipinos facing execution in China while, at the same time, ask for an explanation from the Chinese on the conduct of their citizens in the Philippines such as in the case of last Wednesday’s incident.

“I don’t know where that information is coming from but from where I sit I see no connection. We’re still in the process and we will continue to be in the process of seeking clemency for people who had received capital punishment sentences,” Del Rosario said.

“The policy of this government is that we will seek clemency to the very last minute. It has nothing to do with anything else,” he added.

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Malacañang mum on China 'snub' of diplomatic protest
GMANews.tv (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/214555/malacantildeang-mum-on-china-snub-of-diplomatic-protest)
03/05/2011 | 11:47 AM

Malacañang kept mum on Saturday over a reported snub by China of a complaint it filed over a “harassment" incident in the disputed Spratly Islands last Wednesday.

Deputy presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte would not comment on reports that China brushed aside the complaint, but said the Palace will wait for the Department of Foreign Affairs’ response on the matter.

“Mas mabuti hintayin natin ang response from the Secretary of Foreign Affairs kasi yun din ang inaantay natin (It is better to wait for the response of the Secretary of Foreign Affairs. That is what we are waiting for)," she said on government-run dzRB radio.

Last Friday, the Philippine government lodged a diplomatic protest, seeking an explanation on why Chinese Navy patrol boats harassed a Philippine-sanctioned oil exploration vessel at the Reed Bank, a disputed area west of Palawan province.

But Ethan Sun Yi, deputy chief of the political section and spokesman of the Chinese Embassy in Manila, reaffirmed China’s sovereignty over the Spratly Islands.

Ownership of the Spratlys, a reputedly oil-rich chain of islands in the South China Sea, is being disputed by Brunei, China, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam.

Last Wednesday, the Philippine military sent an aircraft to the Reed Bank area after receiving a report on the alleged harassment by Chinese patrol boats.

PCG sends sea patrol

On Saturday, Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) said it dispatched two search-and-rescue vessels with Special Operations Group divers and a medical team; and had a monitoring-control-surveillance (MCS) vessel patrol the area.

"In support of the government’s energy exploration project, Coast Guard Vessels BRP San Juan (SARV 001), BRP Nueva Viscaya (SARV 3502), and joint PCG-BFAR manned MCS 3002 have been specifically tasked to conduct maritime patrols and assist said DOE-contracted survey vessels, to include those currently undertaking marine seismic survey within the area of Reed Bank, west of Palawan which earlier reported being harassed by Chinese vessels," it said in a bulletin on its website.

It pointed out the Reed Bank is only some 80 nautical miles west of mainland Palawan.

The PCG also said it has stepped up its campaign against poachers around the country in coordination, or jointly with the Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources (BFAR).

Last Friday, acting Foreign Affairs secretary Albert del Rosario said the Department of Energy research vessel remains within the Philippines' exclusive economic zone.

waraywaray architect

March 5th, 2011, 04:29 PM

Nansha or Spratlys?
Soon they will call Luzon Limahong after they invade Nansha (kuno)...

waraywaray architect

March 5th, 2011, 04:34 PM

yan....ang story of our lives.....under the leadership of wimpy kid...:lol: manay...unsaon man nato.....bathon na ra...o labtikon....:lol:

waray upay...

Gildong

March 5th, 2011, 04:35 PM

waraywaray architect

March 5th, 2011, 04:46 PM

wish ko lang pansinin ng china ang protesta natin, hindi tayo seseryosohin ng mga insektong intsik, from the start nagpakita na ng kahinaan c noynoy, its really shame.. napakahina ng ulo ng presidente natin, walang bay*g..
bkit hindi muna tayo humingi ng tulong sa amerika habang hindi pa natin kayang protektahan ang sarili nating teritoryo.. dahil b sa sinasabi ng mga stupid activist na may string attached daw?
noynoy + mga corrupt na AFP officials = ????
Yan ang malaking pagkakamali ng mga politiko nung ibinasura ang US bases sa bansa prematurely. Wala namang kakayahan ang Pilipinas upang depensahan ang sariling bayan. At ang mga activists na mga yan? Front lang ng mga communists ang mga yan.

LAPDRN

March 5th, 2011, 05:07 PM

LIM, NOYNOY (COJUANGCO) are chinese

Nabartek

March 5th, 2011, 08:28 PM

hokage

March 5th, 2011, 11:58 PM

Yan ang malaking pagkakamali ng mga politiko nung ibinasura ang US bases sa bansa prematurely. Wala namang kakayahan ang Pilipinas upang depensahan ang sariling bayan. At ang mga activists na mga yan? Front lang ng mga communists ang mga yan.
^^
How quick have they forgotten the '60's and '70's. M/V Karagatan in Isabela when the Chinese were caught supplying the NPA's guns and rockets that Sison brokered. The commies won when they got the US bases out of the Philippines. It is just a matter of time when they would control the territory, thanks to the brainwashed populace. Puro pride wala namang makakaya. They talk like they have the resources and capability, pero "wish ko lang" pala. In the 70's we had top of the line defense courtesy of Uncle Sam. Nobody dared to cross us and in fact everybody thought that we had nukes in those bases. They provided employment to thousands of Pinoys and were given top priority in acquiring armaments. Even Singaporians and Malaysians go to PI for military training. We had several destroyers that we used to blast Jolo to smithereens in the '70's. But now we talk and talk and talk while the enemies are busy. Before you know it we would be annexed to China and be working as slaves.

Arvor

March 6th, 2011, 12:26 AM

On the other hand, Im afraid, in my opinion, only Indonesia and Brunei might help us. Malaysia, Thailand, Singapore, Vietnam would like us pulverized for economic and territorial reasons. Cambodia, Laos and Myanmar will be fence sitters.

Actually in this case Vietnam could actually be our best ally in asean as they suffer the same issues with China with regards the Paracel islands, the Phillippines and Vietnam already has some level of military relationship as it is but our itnerests with regards the south china sea are actually in sinc, we need to actually enhance our military relations with Vietnam in ensuring that the mid section of the south china sea becomes a Phillippine and Vietnam condominium excluding hostile external powers like China, we could support each others claims politically and eventually militarily .

Vietnam and its claims on the Paracel islands and a few parts of the Spratleys and the Phillippines on a major part of the Spratleys .

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China has a large military but it is net yet that strong that it has become omnipotent, they are still hamstrung by alot of issues so that we can actually afford to be a bit more beligerent ourselves if reasonably funded and armed .

Nabartek

March 6th, 2011, 01:04 AM

^^
How quick have they forgotten the '60's and '70's. M/V Karagatan in Isabela when the Chinese were caught supplying the NPA's guns and rockets that Sison brokered. The commies won when they got the US bases out of the Philippines. It is just a matter of time when they would control the territory, thanks to the brainwashed populace. Puro pride wala namang makakaya. They talk like they have the resources and capability, pero "wish ko lang" pala. In the 70's we had top of the line defense courtesy of Uncle Sam. Nobody dared to cross us and in fact everybody thought that we had nukes in those bases. They provided employment to thousands of Pinoys and were given top priority in acquiring armaments. Even Singaporians and Malaysians go to PI for military training. We had several destroyers that we used to blast Jolo to smithereens in the '70's. But now we talk and talk and talk while the enemies are busy. Before you know it we would be annexed to China and be working as slaves.

Dapat kasi alisin nalang sa constitution ang party-list representation. It doesn't serve it purpose. It's been abuse by the communists and the real people that deserve the pork barrel that these commies are receiving are not being represented at all.

Haven't you noticed, kapag western nations ang kausap ng gobyerno natin, eh sobra sila magrally pero heto ang Uncle Mao nila, sinasakop na ang waters natin eh wa sila say! :bash:

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I'm not sure about Vietnam...as their interest overwhelmingly overlaps with ours and just like China, they claim all. The difference is that they are not as aggressive as China so I may give them the benefit of the doubt but not put my guard down. But then, it may be easier to talk with them that with China. They're now at peace with the US and even turning to the US but relations with China aren't great even if China helped the NV with the war.

Ang hipocrito talaga ng China, they claim na they want to settle this peacefully and that they abide by the agreement eh sila nga ang number one violator nun and they do it "PISSfully". Is it right to have military drilling near a dispute area? Sometimes pa nga it is IN the disputed area? Pero kapag US-Korea military exercise in the SK territory, sobra sila makaangal.

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/183428_169515943100031_100001248802324_411227_438751_n.jpg

kalbongdad

March 6th, 2011, 03:28 AM

...especially during the time of your demigod Gloria. After 10 wasted and unproductive years, the AFP remained a junkyard of American surplus armaments.

blabbering....without knowing the facts.....go fetch the facts on the recent procurements....lahat yun ay galing sa admin ni little evil gloria.....the naval boats from south korea.....the 3MPAC with 3 more for delivery this year. (yes the ones that you proudly attached in your posts).the frigates surplus of uK from hongkong....opo lahat po yan ay procured under the watch of the great mole of asia.....your ignorance on military issues is glaring....siguro you're still playing with your barbie dolls...:lol:

joseprito

March 6th, 2011, 03:29 AM

[QUOTE=Nabartek;73815859]Dapat kasi alisin nalang sa constitution ang party-list representation. It doesn't serve it purpose. It's been abuse by the communists and the real people that deserve the pork barrel that these commies are receiving are not being represented at all.

Haven't you noticed, kapag western nations ang kausap ng gobyerno natin, eh sobra sila magrally pero heto ang Uncle Mao nila, sinasakop na ang waters natin eh wa sila say! :bash:

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I'm not sure about Vietnam...as their interest overwhelmingly overlaps with ours and just like China, they claim all. The difference is that they are not as aggressive as China so I may give them the benefit of the doubt but not put my guard down. But then, it may be easier to talk with them that with China. They're now at peace with the US and even turning to the US but relations with China aren't great even if China helped the NV with the war.

Ang hipocrito talaga ng China, they claim na they want to settle this peacefully and that they abide by the agreement eh sila nga ang number one violator nun and they do it "PISSfully". Is it right to have military drilling near a dispute area? Sometimes pa nga it is IN the disputed area? Pero kapag US-Korea military exercise in the SK territory, sobra sila makaangal.

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/183428_169515943100031_100001248802324_411227_438751_n.jpg[/Q
I agree po.

kalbongdad

March 6th, 2011, 03:38 AM

I concur.

On the other hand, where are these patrol vessels?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alinghi View Post
makes me wonder, where the hell are the bigger ships of the PN? lumulutang pa ba sila? ba't di nila i deploy dun and maintain station or loiter until this confrontation subsides? katangahan lang ang mag de-deploy ng Coast Guard SAR vessel na klarong-klaro may aggressive action na ginagawa
I concur.

On the other hand, where are these patrol vessels?

Quote:
Multi-purpose Attack Crafts (MPAC)

The Philippine Navy received three (3) Philippine-designed, Taiwanese-built[14] Multi-purpose Attack Crafts (MPAC), which is similar to the Swedish Combat Boat 90. These were presented during the 111th Navy Anniversary last May 2009.[15]

Swedish Combat boat 90

The boats are around 15 meters in length and are equipped with water jet system. It has a maximum speed of 40 knots (74 km/h) and could reach around 300 nautical miles (560 km) while traveling on a transit speed of 30 knots (56 km/h). It is made of welded aluminum and can carry 16 fully-equipped soldiers and 4 crew members or a payload of 2 tons. The ships are armed with one 50-caliber machine gun and two 7.62mm machine guns.[16]

At least 9 more units are reportedly being expected for delivery in the near future, with the bidding for the 2nd lot of 3 units already done.Expected delivery is 2nd half of 2011.[17]

Additional Patrol Killer Medium

The Philippine Navy recently commissioned an upgraded Patrol Killer Medium (PKM) patrol craft previously transferred from South Korea. BRP Emilio Liwanag (PG-118) was presented during the 112th Navy Anniversary rites.

BRP Emilio Liwanag

[18]Source: wikipedia

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law, truth and justice

yes tita.....am referring to this post that you so proudly quoted....:lol: pati yung ov10 bronco airplanes.....we got them from thailand kapalit ng spares ng F5s ng pinas....yung bn-islander....sa panahon pa yan ni makoy....just so you know.....:ohno:.....:lol:....glaring ignorance....golly...go play with your barbie dolls....

joseprito

March 6th, 2011, 03:45 AM

I concur.

On the other hand, where are these patrol vessels?

Sana dumami pa ang MPAC natin at i-equipped ito ng anti-ship missiles and SAM. Tingin ko ito ang kailangan natin,mga MPACs na modified dahil mabibilis ito at affordable kaysa doon sa mga malalaking barko. I heard that it only cost Ph 100m each, so Ph 10bil means 100 MPACs.Imagine ito ang nagpapatrol sa shore natin."Mahal na Pangulong Pnoy, sana po i-modernize na natin itong mga Navy at Airforce natin,kahit 10 F18 lang at 100 na MPACs sa navy natin para sa bansa po natin." Sana marinig ako.Lagi ko iyang pinagdadasal eh.
At sana matuloy na iyong joint patrol na na-sign between the Phil-USA.
Let us guard and protect our sovereignty.huag tayong pabully kahit ganito lang tayo kahirap na bansa.

first knight

March 6th, 2011, 03:49 AM

Dapat kasi alisin nalang sa constitution ang party-list representation. It doesn't serve it purpose. It's been abuse by the communists and the real people that deserve the pork barrel that these commies are receiving are not being represented at all.

Haven't you noticed, kapag western nations ang kausap ng gobyerno natin, eh sobra sila magrally pero heto ang Uncle Mao nila, sinasakop na ang waters natin eh wa sila say! :bash:

You are moving away from the issue. This is irrelevant. In the first place, communism and communist insurgency in the country are doomed. Those attacks perpetrated by NPAs are sign of desperation already.

We have to deal with a growing menace called China's imperialistic maneuverings. We can allow ourselves to be disrespected by this pretentious country.

I agree that right now, we desperately need the cooperation of our ASEAN neighbors including some allies in North Asia such as Japan and South Korea, countries that are having the same problem with China.

For the meantime, our corrupt AFP officials should stop robbing the military and start building up our capability.

There should be a twin defensive moves, through diplomatic channel (easier) and through military build up (harder because of the corrupt officials in AFP tolerated and defended by corrupt PMA mistahs).

Start building permanet structures in Kalayaan now!! Even a pathetic "muhon" and markers (inscribed Philippine Territory).

Of course permanent military fortification like a bunker and watchtower are welcome developments.

Nabartek

March 6th, 2011, 04:01 AM

You are moving away from the issue. This is irrelevant. In the first place, communism and communist insurgency in the country are doomed. Those attacks perpetrated by NPAs are sign of desperation already.

We have to deal with a growing menace called China's imperialistic maneuverings. We can allow ourselves to be disrespected by this pretentious country.

I agree that right now, we desperately need the cooperation of our ASEAN neighbors including some allies in North Asia such as Japan and South Korea, countries that are having the same problem with China.

For the meantime, our corrupt AFP officials should stop robbing the military and start building up our capability.

There should be a twin defensive moves, through diplomatic channel (easier) and through military build up (harder because of the corrupt officials in AFP tolerated and defended by corrupt PMA mistahs).

Start building permanet structures in Kalayaan now!! Even a pathetic "muhon" and markers (inscribed Philippine Territory).

Of course permanent military fortification like a bunker and watchtower are welcome developments.

Not really. Bayan Muna, Mayo Uno, Gabriela are the "legal" fronts of NPA which IMO are more dangerous than the armed wing of NPA. I saw at YT video of Joma mentioning their names as the legal front of the NPA let me find it)While people hardly believe the armed with, people actually VOTE for the "politico-legal" wing. In case you haven't noticed, anything "Western", they automatically protest. Now that China has threatened our sovereignty, they are not even reacting. It is not moving away from the issue. The China-focused mentality of these groups are a threat. In order to reduce their infiltration in our government and reduce their probability of destroying democracy and replacing it with Maoist ideologies, the partylist system must be abolished. It was created for the underrepresented sectors of the society, but with the NPA fronts having most seat, it isn't serving its purpose.

Another point, these groups are the forefront who protest any higher allocation or even when we try to upgrade out military equipment. Heck, they even came to suggest to abolish not only the PMA but our military. It's not surprising though. Doing so would be a threat to their armed wing.

Another point: the AFP could hardly concentrate on external threat because they consider the NPA the most threatening to our government as compared to the Abu Sayaff and the MILF. The NPA --BOTH LEGAL AND ARMED FRONT--threatens the democratic system. These folks want to implement a Maoist style ruling and shutting down the Philippines to the world (very backward mentality).

And as you mentioned that China is pretentious country(which I agree with), it's the same with the NPA esp the legal front.

first knight

March 6th, 2011, 04:03 AM

China is going to build its military by equipping it with new generation war machines...in contrast to the plan of our corrupt military generals of buying old generation Jurassic Park type of weapons like the floating artifact Hamilton Class cutter of the US Coast Guard.

http://web1.manilatimes.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/china.jpg

Visitors walk past a row of tanks on display at the Military Museum in Beijing on Friday. AFP PHOTO

China declares increase in military spending

Manila Times
March 6, 2011

BEIJING: China announced a double-digit increase in its secretive military budget on Friday but insisted that the annual outlay of more than $90 billion posed no external threat, despite concern worldwide.

The defense budget will rise 12.7 percent in 2011 to 601.1 billion yuan ($91.7 billion), according to Li Zhao¬xing, spokesman of the national parliament and a former Foreign minister.

He said the figure was contained in a budgetary report submitted for approval to the Communist Party-controlled National People’s Congress, which opens its annual 10-day session on Saturday.

“China has always paid attention to controlling the size of defense spending,” Li told reporters, describing spending as “relatively low” as a percentage of gross domestic product compared with the rest of the world.

Li said the figure represented 6 percent of the total national budget in the world’s second-largest economy.

But the number represents a return to double-digit increases in military spending, which have alarmed the United States, Australia and several of China’s Asian neighbors.

That multiyear trend had been broken in 2010 when the budget rose 7.5 percent. In any case, many analysts say that the announced budget is far lower than the actual spending.

The People’s Liberation Army (PLA)—the world’s largest—is hugely secretive about its defense programs, but insists that its modernization is purely defensive in nature to protect China’s vast land and sea borders.

Willy Lam, a China analyst at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, said that the published military budget—which he said was likely only one-third to one-half of actual spending—will be poured into next-generation equipment.

“The return to this double-digit PLA budget reflects the growing power of the PLA,” Lam told Agence France-Presse. “They are trying to close the gap with Russia and the United States.”

The build-up is also widely seen as geared in large part at reclaiming Taiwan, which split from the mainland in 1949 after a civil war. Taiwanese experts say that China has more than 1,600 missiles aimed at the self-ruled island.

Rick Fisher, senior fellow at the International Assessment and Strategy Center in the United States, said the increases also reflect jitters in the Communist Party leadership over its hold on power.

China already sees tens of thousands of protests each year and mounting public concern over high inflation and a myriad of other issues makes it vital for the Communist Party to secure firm PLA political support, he said.

“China wants to project strength with this return to double-digit military spending, but in reality it reflects serious regime weakness,” Fisher said.
AFP

Short URL: http://www.manilatimes.net/?p=6007

Perhaps in preparation for the takeover of the Spratly's and annihilation of other claimant countries like the Philippines, Vietnam and Taiwan?

Nabartek

March 6th, 2011, 04:05 AM

first knight

March 6th, 2011, 04:11 AM

Not really. Bayan Muna, Mayo Uno, Gabriela are the "legal" fronts of NPA which IMO are more dangerous than the armed wing of NPA. I saw at YT video of Joma mentioning their names as the legal front of the NPA let me find it)While people hardly believe the armed with, people actually VOTE for the "politico-legal" wing. In case you haven't noticed, anything "Western", they automatically protest. Now that China has threatened our sovereignty, they are not even reacting. It is not moving away from the issue. The China-focused mentality of these groups are a threat. In order to reduce their infiltration in our government and reduce their probability of destroying democracy and replacing it with Maoist ideologies, the partylist system must be abolished. It was created for the underrepresented sectors of the society, but with the NPA fronts having most seat, it isn't serving its purpose.

Another point, these groups are the forefront who protest any higher allocation or even when we try to upgrade out military equipment. Heck, they even came to suggest to abolish not only the PMA but our military. It's not surprising though. Doing so would be a threat to their armed wing.

Another point: the AFP could hardly concentrate on external threat because they consider the NPA the most threatening to our government as compared to the Abu Sayaff and the MILF. The NPA --BOTH LEGAL AND ARMED FRONT--threatens the democratic system. These folks want to implement a Maoist style ruling and shutting down the Philippines to the world (very backward mentality).

And as you mentioned that China is pretentious country(which I agree with), it's the same with the NPA esp the legal front.

Our sources are telling us different situations.

My source talks about the MILF and Abu Sayaff as the biggest threat to us because of its "internationa flavor" with some Muslim states and international terrorist organizations lending a hand.

NDF-CPP-NPA are spent force and they are now orphaned by sponsor countries.

first knight

March 6th, 2011, 04:13 AM

^^^They say its for "defensive" strategy(as they always say) but it is better to believe what China does than what China says

One could only hope for a severe internal turmoil in China so that it would be busy with its internal affairs than in expansionism.

If not we are all dead ants (ASEAN, Japan, Korea. The Indian subcontinent has powerful India to contend with) in a region dominated by a now fire breathing dragon.

Nanflexal

March 6th, 2011, 04:21 AM

may pinag-aralan naman sana yon mga Corrupt general ng Arm forces natin pero naka Focus sila so pango-ngorakot. totoo naman talaga. bwuset na yan.

Nag-aral sila para malinis ang pang-ngogotakot nila.

Nabartek

March 6th, 2011, 04:23 AM

Our sources are telling us different situations.

My source talks about the MILF and Abu Sayaff as the biggest threat to us because of its "internationa flavor" with some Muslim states and international terrorist organizations lending a hand.

NDF-CPP-NPA are spent force and they are now orphaned by sponsor countries.

NPA still RP's biggest threat (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleid=452065)
Communist Rebels Biggest Threat (http://articles.cnn.com/2004-05-05/world/philippines.poll.violence_1_npa-communist-rebels-communist-movement?_s=PM:WORLD)
Reds still biggest threat in Mindanao (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=11&ved=0CBMQFjAAOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gmanews.tv%2Fstory%2F49724%2FReds-remain-biggest-security-threat-in-Mindanao---PNP&ei=NABzTazEJYv6sAPK7_mADA&usg=AFQjCNHyQMacK88UKvuVyAHblDSKrf5Nzg&sig2=xY9vlpMxmd071FXnpSh6mA)

AFP considers the NPA the biggest threat for these reasons:

1. They are all over the place - from northern luzon to mindanao. MILF and Abu Sayaff are isolated in small areas. AS has been reduced to like 400 people. MILF dropped independence claims and would resume talks with the government. The NPA just plays with the government in their talks.

2. They're legal fronts have become influential and managed to brainwash a sizable portion of the population. They manage to let people vote for them.

In addition to that, since they have seat in congress, they are entitled to PORK BARREL. Ridiculous. Using taxpayers money to destabilize the country.

The NPA should not be underestimated. They've been existing for 60-70 years now, while the MILF, around 30 (started with the Jabidah Massacre)

Between the two, the second one is very threatening. As mentioned earlier, they complain about VFA violating our "sovereignty" while here is China, telling us off in our own EEZ, yet they are saying nothing. Not even protesting. I even have a suspicion about a link(of course, behind our back) between the Communist government and NPA

Edit: I found the video I was talking about earlier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SceqJRZjHsA&feature=related

Bahay_Kubo

March 6th, 2011, 04:41 AM

BREAKING NEWS: While speaking before the graduates of the Philippine Military Academy minutes ago, President Noynoy Aquino named Lt. Gen. Eduardo Oban as new CSAFP.

Nabartek

March 6th, 2011, 04:46 AM

bahay, link please

Alinghi

March 6th, 2011, 04:49 AM

Sana dumami pa ang MPAC natin at i-equipped ito ng anti-ship missiles and SAM. Tingin ko ito ang kailangan natin,mga MPACs na modified dahil mabibilis ito at affordable kaysa doon sa mga malalaking barko. I heard that it only cost Ph 100m each, so Ph 10bil means 100 MPACs.Imagine ito ang nagpapatrol sa shore natin."Mahal na Pangulong Pnoy, sana po i-modernize na natin itong mga Navy at Airforce natin,kahit 10 F18 lang at 100 na MPACs sa navy natin para sa bansa po natin." Sana marinig ako.Lagi ko iyang pinagdadasal eh.
At sana matuloy na iyong joint patrol na na-sign between the Phil-USA.
Let us guard and protect our sovereignty.huag tayong pabully kahit ganito lang tayo kahirap na bansa.

are you kidding? baka kung lagyan ng kahit isang SSM launcher ang MPAC eh tatagilid na at lulubog.. hindi biro ang bigat ng mga SSM at SAM, kahit Exocet nga hindi kinaya ng Jacinto-class, MPAC pa kaya na 1/4 its size?

MPAC is for riverine/littoral/shallow-water patrol only.. ang kalaban ay nasa EEZ natin at sa malalim na dagat.. we need blue-water ships to deter China, not tiny MPAC's na machinegun lang pwede ikarga

blabbering....without knowing the facts.....go fetch the facts on the recent procurements....lahat yun ay galing sa admin ni little evil gloria.....the naval boats from south korea.....the 3MPAC with 3 more for delivery this year. (yes the ones that you proudly attached in your posts).the frigates surplus of uK from hongkong....opo lahat po yan ay procured under the watch of the great mole of asia.....your ignorance on military issues is glaring....siguro you're still playing with your barbie dolls...:lol:

the Jacinto-class OPV's were acquired during the Ramos Administration.

tatlong tiny MPAC na mukhang speedboat at isang karag2x na Chamsuri lang ang kinaya ni Gloria para sa Navy :bash:

Bahay_Kubo

March 6th, 2011, 05:19 AM

President Aquino names Oban 42nd AFP chief
GMANews.tv (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/214604/president-aquino-names-oban-42nd-afp-chief)
03/06/2011 | 11:44 AM

President Benigno Simeon Aquino III on Sunday named Lieutenant General Eduardo Oban Jr. as the 42nd chief of staff of the Armed Forces of the Philippines, replacing Gen. Ricardo David Jr. who is set to retire this March 8.

Oban is the third AFP chief to come from the Air Force since 1996.

The turnover ceremonies will be held Monday at Camp Aguinaldo as the President is set to leave the country later that day for his state visits to Indonesia and Singapore.

Aquino made the announcement during the 106th commencement exercises of the Laon Alab Class of 2011 of the Philippine Military Academy in Baguio City.

During the graduation rites, the President handed over to Cadet First Class Angelo Parras, 21, of Apalit, Pampanga the Presidential Saber for topping the Laon Alab (Lakas Tipon Alagad ng Bayan) Class 2011.

He also led the commissioning of the 196 graduates as second lieutenants and ensigns of the Armed Forces.

Parras is set to join the Philippine Navy.

Cadets 1st Class John Gregor Guiang, 21, of Zamboanga del Norte, and Jason Cortes Luna, 23, of Enrile, Cagayan, ranked second and third, respectively.

Of the 196 graduates, 22 are females. Of the number, 105 will join the Army, 51 will go to the Navy and 40 will join the Air Force.

The other top graduates were Cadets First Class:

John Gregor Guiang of Zamboanga del Norte

Jason Cortes Luna of Enrile, Cagayan

Aljan Cabriga Dino of Naic, Cavite

Rigor Narag Pamittan of Tuguegarao City, Cagayan

Janice Baniaga Matbagan of Baguio City

Bobby Gabayno of Cainta, Rizal

Ramon Kristofer Ganab Engay of Tuao, Cagayan

Norman Avila Carual of Tabaco City, Albay, and

Jason Fabros Parinas of Muñoz, Nueva Ecija.

This year's graduating class is the youngest in the last five years with their median ages between 20 and 22.

At least 10 members of the of graduating class were aged 20 and need a waiver to serve as officers in the military because AFP requires its members to be at least 21 years old.

After the rites, the graduates and their parents are set to have a lunch with President Aquino at the Mansion, the official residence of the President in Baguio City.

Third highest AFP ranking officer

Oban Jr. holds the third highest post in the Armed Forces, being the deputy chief of staff responsible for the administration and supervision of the joint coordinating, technical and special staffs of the military headquarters.

He is member of PMA Class of 1979 and was formerly vice commander of the Air Force.

Before entering the PMA, Oban graduated from the University of Santo Tomas. He also has a master’s degree in business economics from the University of Asia and the Pacific. He was one of the top graduates of his PMA class.

Various sources in Camp Aguinaldo and Malacañang have said that Oban got the President’s final nod about a week ago. He bested at least eight other contenders to the post, including the most senior of them, Army chief Lt. Gen. Arturo Ortiz (PMA 1979), who is retiring in November, and the youngest, AFP operations chief of staff Maj. Gen. Bautista (PMA 1981), who is retiring in 2014.

Oban will retire in 9 months, or by Dec. 13 this year.

A five-man Board of Generals had submitted to the President a short list of ranking AFP officials as candidates to fill in the post as the 42nd AFP chief.

Other candidates included heads of the AFP’s three major services — Navy commander Rear Admiral Alexander Pama, Army chief Lt. Gen. Arturo Ortiz and Air Force chief Lt. Gen. Oscar Rabena.

Also on the short list were AFP vice chief of staff Lt. Gen. Reynaldo Mapagu, AFP operations chief Maj. Gen. Emmanuel Bautista, and Maj. Gen. Jessie Delloza, commander of the Army’s 2nd Infantry Division.

Like the incoming AFP chief, Delloza, Pama, and Ortiz belong to PMA Class 1979. Mapagu and Rabena are from the PMA Class 1978, the same class that adopted former President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo as an honorary member.

Bautista, the youngest among the contenders, belongs to PMA Class of 1981.

As a colonel, Oban helped negotiate for the surrender of Oakwood mutineers in 2003.

Oban’s most prominent role in his career was his involvement in negotiations to end the Oakwood mutiny in 2003. The general was among those chosen by the mutinous Magdalo to be part of the government panel that negotiated with them for their return to barracks.

A former instructor pilot, Oban hails from Sorsogon.

He once served as special assistant to former trade minister Roberto “Bobby" Ongpin and former defense minister and now Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile during the Marcos era.

Nabartek

March 6th, 2011, 05:23 AM

^^Thanks

Tanong ko lang, bakit kukuha sila ng chief na malapit na magretire? I think the Philippines needs a consistent policy in the AFP.

Alinghi

March 6th, 2011, 05:49 AM

matagal na yan panahon pa ni FVR yung iba nga 3-4 months lang tinatagal sa pwesto tapos retire

kaya walang continuity of programs sa AFP nang dahil dyan.. walang culture of accountability kaya garapalan ang kurapsyon

Nabartek

March 6th, 2011, 05:51 AM

^^ dapat politicians din natin 3-4 months lang. :lol:

Nanflexal

March 6th, 2011, 05:56 AM

every week nalang kaya magpalit. para ma-makakuha ng pabaon system. mas maraming yayaman na general

coldfire083

March 6th, 2011, 10:04 AM

^^Thanks

Tanong ko lang, bakit kukuha sila ng chief na malapit na magretire? I think the Philippines needs a consistent policy in the AFP.

ginagaya nya si gloria.:bash:

Bahay_Kubo

March 6th, 2011, 10:50 AM

looks like we're going to be stuck on just having one or, worse, none of the Hamiltons if ever those ships do end up at the hands of the Nigerians. it also seems like the Americans are prioritizing the Nigerians over us as far as this purchase is concerned. :(

http://i56.tinypic.com/15nqbex.jpg
-- The Coast Guard Cutter Chase is being sold to the Nigerian navy.

Nigerian navy personnel get Coast Guard training out of Unalaska
Published: March 4th, 2011 11:39 AM
Last Modified: March 4th, 2011 11:40 AM

Twenty-one officers and engineers from the navy of Nigeria are being trained by the Coast Guard in Unalaska to take control of the Cutter Chase, which is being decommissioned and sold to Nigeria. KUCB reports the Nigerians will get training aboard the Cutter Morgenthau during its Bering Sea patrols through April.

More of the article here (http://www.adn.com/2011/03/04/1736440/nigerian-navy-personnel-get-coast.html).

if we can't get the Hamiltons that we badly NEED for our Navy, then we must now look for alternatives such as the retired Danish Niels Juel class corvettes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niels_Juel_class_corvette), Spanish Descubierta class corvettes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descubierta_class_corvette) (flag ship vessel SPS Descubierta was scrapped last month, according to Seawaves (http://www.seawaves.com/shipdecommissionings.asp); there are still five Descubiertas left), French D'Estienne D'Orves class corvettes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D'Estienne_d'Orves_class) (recently strapped of their heavy weapons and converted to oceanic patrol ships that replaced the P400 class patrol vessels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P400_class_patrol_vessel)), and, if we can afford them, soon-to-be retired (and SCRAPPED) British Type 22 Batch 3 frigates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_22_frigate#Batch_3) (the ships are equipped with COGAG engines).

i doubt that the Americans would offer to us some of their soon-to-be retired (and, since the removal of the Mk. 13 launcher that had SM-1MR Standard and Harpoon missiles, underarmed) Perry class frigates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Hazard_Perry_class_frigate) but we have to compete with the Pakistanis and the Taiwanese (http://www.seawaves.com/shipdecommissionings.asp) if ever we do express our interest on them.

Nabartek

March 6th, 2011, 11:04 AM

Puro segunda mano binibili ng asian countries. :(

Bahay_Kubo

March 6th, 2011, 11:30 AM

according to Seawaves (http://www.seawaves.com/shipdecommissionings.asp), four Hamilton class high endurance cutters will be decommissioned- Jarvis, Hamilton, Rush and Chase. with the Nigerians surely getting the Chase, that only leaves three Hamilton class high endurance cutters- Jarvis, Hamilton and Rush- up for grabs. hopefully and God-willing, we will have the MONEY and outbid the Nigerians and, if ever, the Uruguayans (Uruguay already expressed intent on buying some Hamiltons) to buy all three remaining Hamiltons.

still, i would suggest that we now look for alternatives to the Hamiltons. mahihirapan tayong mag-compete talaga for those ships kung ang gagawin lang natin ay manghingi while the Nigerians and the Uruguayans have money to BUY ships.

Alinghi

March 6th, 2011, 11:43 AM

kung para sa atin maituturing na "barko" ang mga MPAC, sa kanila para lang itong RHIB :lol:

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/pinoylumix/RDN_LCP2_SRC90E.jpg

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/pinoylumix/800px-L16_Absalon_with_Lynx.jpg

see how efficient these warships are? they can deploy helicopters, MPAC's, UAV's, and RHIB's and yet can still deal with threats from the air, sea surface, and under the sea at the same time.. parang isang naval base din kung umasta ano?.. imagine the efficiency we can achive in securing our waters if we have a couple of these :nuts:

imagine the MPAC patrolling a littoral area near the ship, the helicopter conducting ASW patrols, the RHIB conducting marine interdiction, and the UAV doing some aerial surveillance and all these four can come back to the ship when the sun sets and they can all share a hearty dinner together with the shipmates, lol

Bahay_Kubo

March 6th, 2011, 12:07 PM

^ the Absalon class ships are not actually frigates. they are destroyer-sized flexible support ships that can function as surface combatants, command and control centers, and transports. :)

i think multi-role vessels such as the Absalons are worth considering for us AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE MONEY. we will able to somewhat save money by purchasing more multi-role vessels such as Denmark's Absalons and Flyvefisken class patrol vessels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyvefisken_class_patrol_vessel), and Canada's Kingston class coastal defense vessels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_class_coastal_defence_vessel) compared to investing on several specific types of naval vessels (e.g. frigates/corvettes, mine warfare vessels, inshore patrol craft, amphibious transports).

Alinghi

March 6th, 2011, 12:13 PM

^^ destroyer in size since it's nearing the 500ft. mark but it's still classified as a frigate on the official rolls.. just like the UK Royal Navy's Type-22 & Type-23 frigates (larger than some destroyers) and some navies which no longer use the term "destroyer".. this has been a trend since the advent of guided-missile systems replacing those big incher guns

Bahay_Kubo

March 6th, 2011, 12:51 PM

i honestly think that what we need here are naval vessels and aircraft that can cover large areas. the Philippines has quite an area in terms of territory and EEZ, which is why, if ever we have money, frigates, corvettes and OPVs; and multi-role fighter aircraft (such as F-15E) and maritime patrol aircraft (such as the P-3) with long legs will work really well for us.

kalbongdad

March 6th, 2011, 12:53 PM

are you kidding? baka kung lagyan ng kahit isang SSM launcher ang MPAC eh tatagilid na at lulubog.. hindi biro ang bigat ng mga SSM at SAM, kahit Exocet nga hindi kinaya ng Jacinto-class, MPAC pa kaya na 1/4 its size?

MPAC is for riverine/littoral/shallow-water patrol only.. ang kalaban ay nasa EEZ natin at sa malalim na dagat.. we need blue-water ships to deter China, not tiny MPAC's na machinegun lang pwede ikarga

the Jacinto-class OPV's were acquired during the Ramos Administration.

tatlong tiny MPAC na mukhang speedboat at isang karag2x na Chamsuri lang ang kinaya ni Gloria para sa Navy :bash:

i stand corrected....1993 pa nga pala nadeliver yun....i googled it....but in fairness to the great mole of asia.....naka procure sya ng....ukay ukay na cyclone class corvette galing sa mga kano....naka bili ang pinas ng korean PKM all 7 of them.....ng koreans ships din na ginawang conrado yap class ng 4 at ng korean sea killers na 29...although 22 lang ang commissioned....nabili ito ng $100 dollars....bawat isa.....dahil sa growing closeness ng korean at pinas....yan ang presyong kaibigan...hindi yung tipong kaibigan na mga kano...at marami pang iba...australian fast patrol craft...2...us fast craft 7 at yung binili ng pinas mismo na bago...yung MPACs multi purpose attack crafts...3 at 3 pa for delivery this year.....yun lang naman ang naideliver ni little evil gloria.......compare that record to cory, ramos at erap....i can say not bad...not bad at all.....

Alinghi

March 6th, 2011, 01:16 PM

i stand corrected....1993 pa nga pala nadeliver yun....i googled it....but in fairness to the great mole of asia.....naka procure sya ng....ukay ukay na cyclone class corvette galing sa mga kano....naka bili ang pinas ng korean PKM all 7 of them.....ng koreans ships din na ginawang conrado yap class ng 4 at ng korean sea killers na 29...although 22 lang ang commissioned....nabili ito ng $100 dollars....bawat isa.....dahil sa growing closeness ng korean at pinas....yan ang presyong kaibigan...hindi yung tipong kaibigan na mga kano...at marami pang iba...australian fast patrol craft...2...us fast craft 7 at yung binili ng pinas mismo na bago...yung MPACs multi purpose attack crafts...3 at 3 pa for delivery this year.....yun lang naman ang naideliver ni little evil gloria.......compare that record to cory, ramos at erap....i can say not bad...not bad at all.....

no, not 1993, but 1997.. 1997 kasi lumayas ang mga Briton sa HK

ang dami naman nyan?

if my memory serves me right, only the following PN vessels were acquired under the watch of Gloria:

- 3 MPAC's (50ft.)
- 1 PKM (120ft.)
- 1 Cyclone-class (170ft.)

* nothing follows *

the Yap-class, Batillo-class (rest of the 7 PKM's), Andrada-class (Seahawk) ay nandyan na bago paman umupo si Gloria

in terms of gross tonnage, admin ni Ramos ang pinakamaraming naipundar na barko para sa PN, and the acquisition negotiations may have started during Cory's watch

Bahay_Kubo

March 6th, 2011, 01:22 PM

@ Alinghi: i have listed several second-hand warships that can be considered as alternatives to the Hamilton (Danish Niels Juel class corvettes, Spanish Descubierta class corvettes, British Type 22 Batch 3 frigates, French D'Estienne D'Orves class corvettes). which among them do you think would best suit the Navy's needs nowadays? also, do you think that the Navy is more than willing to invest on non-American vessels, which is a far cry from their usual routine (read: begging) whenever they deal with the Americans?

first knight

March 6th, 2011, 01:36 PM

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yes tita.....am referring to this post that you so proudly quoted....:lol: pati yung ov10 bronco airplanes.....we got them from thailand kapalit ng spares ng F5s ng pinas....yung bn-islander....sa panahon pa yan ni makoy....just so you know.....:ohno:.....:lol:....glaring ignorance....golly...go play with your barbie dolls....

Obviously you did not understand my post "brilliant" kalbongdad. Your poor comprehension failed to tell you that Im talking about as to where these new AFP armaments were deployed and not about as to who acquired it. On the other hand, I just posted the photo of the OV-10 and Islander for those who will care checking them. Not about who bought them.

Spare me of you stupidity and nonsense whining you blabbering fool.

the Jacinto-class OPV's were acquired during the Ramos Administration.

tatlong tiny MPAC na mukhang speedboat at isang karag2x na Chamsuri lang ang kinaya ni Gloria para sa Navy :bash

Speaks well of the blabbering kalbongdad. i think @kalbongdad, it is you that should play with your barbie dolls and stop acting as if you still in gloria's wonderland.

first knight

March 6th, 2011, 01:40 PM

Alinghi

March 6th, 2011, 01:44 PM

looks like we're going to be stuck on just having one or, worse, none of the Hamiltons if ever those ships do end up at the hands of the Nigerians. it also seems like the Americans are prioritizing the Nigerians over us as far as this purchase is concerned. :(

if we can't get the Hamiltons that we badly NEED for our Navy, then we must now look for alternatives such as the retired Danish Niels Juel class corvettes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niels_Juel_class_corvette), Spanish Descubierta class corvettes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descubierta_class_corvette) (flag ship vessel SPS Descubierta was scrapped last month, according to Seawaves (http://www.seawaves.com/shipdecommissionings.asp); there are still five Descubiertas left), French D'Estienne D'Orves class corvettes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D'Estienne_d'Orves_class) (recently strapped of their heavy weapons and converted to oceanic patrol ships that replaced the P400 class patrol vessels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P400_class_patrol_vessel)), and, if we can afford them, soon-to-be retired (and SCRAPPED) British Type 22 Batch 3 frigates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_22_frigate#Batch_3) (the ships are equipped with COGAG engines).

i doubt that the Americans would offer to us some of their soon-to-be retired (and, since the removal of the Mk. 13 launcher that had SM-1MR Standard and Harpoon missiles, underarmed) Perry class frigates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Hazard_Perry_class_frigate) but we have to compete with the Pakistanis and the Taiwanese (http://www.seawaves.com/shipdecommissionings.asp) if ever we do express our interest on them.

@ Alinghi: i have listed several second-hand warships that can be considered as alternatives to the Hamilton (Danish Niels Juel class corvettes, Spanish Descubierta class corvettes, British Type 22 Batch 3 frigates, French D'Estienne D'Orves class corvettes). which among them do you think would best suit the Navy's needs nowadays? also, do you think that the Navy is more than willing to invest on non-American vessels, which is a far cry from their usual routine (read: begging) whenever they deal with the Americans?

in my personal opinion, for EEZ-protection and offshore-patrol duties, it would have to be the Danish Niels Juel corvette. why?

- it has CODAG power for propulsion (useful for both loitering and sprinting speeds) and added flexibility in refueling and propulsion management.
- it has the closest tonnage requirement for the PN in line with it's corvette/OPV acquisition program.
- it has standard NATO-spec electronics and armaments so it would be easier for us to acquire ordnance payload for the Harpoons, Stingers, Sea-Sparrow VLS, and Oto Melara gun.
- proven itself to be a very flexible platform since it has successfully transitioned from a Cold-War era configuration to today's modern electronic warfare.

we'll have to exclude the Type-22 frigate for now since we have to admit it will be expensive to acquire, being a major surface combatant of the Royal Navy.

the navy will always be willing to acquire a non-US ship as long as it gets a fair price, especially with the logistical aspect of the deal. but the tendency for the AFP brass is to really prioritize FMS offers from the US before entertaining tenders from other countries

Bahay_Kubo

March 6th, 2011, 02:04 PM

^^ i see. :)

the Niels Juel class corvettes would surely fit our needs if ever we do check them out. sana lang ay hindi pa sila naibebenta sa iba o na-scrap ng mga Danes.

since we're after corvettes/OPVs, sayang yung opportunity for the Nakhoda Ragam class OPVs (http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/nakhoda/), yung warships na ipinagawa ng Brunei pero naging problemado kaya hindi na nakapasok sa serbisyo ng Brunei at ibinenta na lang sa Algerians. kung hindi lang siguro O.A. yung presyo nung Nakhoda Ragam class OPVs at kung meron lang tayong pera, they could have ended up with us. :(

another possible opportunity for us that we can take a look at are those Port of Spain class OPVs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Spain_class_corvette) of Trinidad and Tobago (more about the ships here (http://www.baesystems.com/Newsroom/NewsReleases/autoGen_1091018132455.html)), which were supposed to enter Trinidad and Tobago Coast Guard service but the US$234 million deal was cancelled by the country's government (http://www.janes.com/news/defence/jdw/jdw100922_1_n.shtml) because the ships were, according to them, "not built to specifications. the Port of Spain class OPVs look to be too underarmed for their US$234 million price tag but supposing BAE Systems do sell them, baka sakaling makuha natin sa mas murang presyo at i-upgrade natin yung weapons and equipment nung mga barko.

Nanflexal

March 6th, 2011, 02:17 PM

we can order million of rosary and give it to our President and Corrupt Government and Military officials.

this is how we fight.

first knight

March 6th, 2011, 02:44 PM

kalbongdad

March 6th, 2011, 03:00 PM

no, not 1993, but 1997.. 1997 kasi lumayas ang mga Briton sa HK

ang dami naman nyan?

if my memory serves me right, only the following PN vessels were acquired under the watch of Gloria:

- 3 MPAC's (50ft.)
- 1 PKM (120ft.)
- 1 Cyclone-class (170ft.)

* nothing follows *

the Yap-class, Batillo-class (rest of the 7 PKM's), Andrada-class (Seahawk) ay nandyan na bago paman umupo si Gloria

in terms of gross tonnage, admin ni Ramos ang pinakamaraming naipundar na barko para sa PN, and the acquisition negotiations may have started during Cory's watch

might as well google philippine navy ships it has a list of ships there and the year it was acquired.....won't debate with you i will not get a cent from it....

Bahay_Kubo

March 6th, 2011, 03:15 PM

Can you post some photos please. Your suggested ships are very interesting sir.

http://i56.tinypic.com/3588hdt.jpg
-- Niels Juel class corvette.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2ch74ut.jpg
-- Descubierta class corvette.

http://www.deagel.com/library1/medium/m02006120300497.jpg
-- D'Estienne D'Orves class corvette.

http://i53.tinypic.com/5v0g9k.jpg
-- Type 22, Batch 3 frigate.

http://vietnamdefence.com/web/Uploaded/TT/8-10/cg50-Port_of_Spain-1.jpg
-- Scarborough/Port of Spain class offshore patrol vessel.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4026/4703943225_328d04ca3c_z.jpg
-- Nakhoda Ragam class offshore patrol vessels (all of them now owned by Algeria).

spearhead

March 6th, 2011, 05:17 PM

Let's forget about the Hamilton. If the PN cannot get it then that's fine, it's a bad buy anyway for sure if they couldn't even arm it with anything than a cannon.

They should seriously look for those british Type 22 that are being decommissioned.

Obviously you did not understand my post "brilliant" kalbongdad. Your poor comprehension failed to tell you that Im talking about as to where these new AFP armaments were deployed and not about as to who acquired it. On the other hand, I just posted the photo of the OV-10 and Islander for those who will care checking them. Not about who bought them.

Spare me of you stupidity and nonsense whining you blabbering fool.

Speaks well of the blabbering kalbongdad. i think @kalbongdad, it is you that should play with your barbie dolls and stop acting as if you still in gloria's wonderland.

Blabbering fool. Check your data first and understand my post first before projecting your ignorance with other members.

Speaking about blabbering fool... hey take a look at yourself in the mirror first.

Alinghi

March 6th, 2011, 07:31 PM

might as well google philippine navy ships it has a list of ships there and the year it was acquired.....won't debate with you i will not get a cent from it....

LOL hindi kami mga tanga dito para maniwala sa mga manipulated facts mo just to praise your amo Gloria na alam naman natin mas masahol pa kay Makoy magnakaw sa kaban ng bayan

google? wikipedia? your lame sources reflects your poor level of discernment on these issues

you don't even know what year the UK left HK, and you missed it by a mile dude!

Nabartek

March 6th, 2011, 07:33 PM

May ship and plane manufacturer ba ang Pilipinas? Baka puede silang contratahin nalang ng military natin kesa bumili tayo ng "ireretire" na ng ibang bansa

Alinghi

March 6th, 2011, 07:42 PM

May ship and plane manufacturer ba ang Pilipinas? Baka puede silang contratahin nalang ng military natin kesa bumili tayo ng "ireretire" na ng ibang bansa

we have several commercial shipyards which are capable of building VLCC (Very Large Crude Carrier) aka Super Tanker like Keppel in Cebu and Hanjin in Subic. Hanjin has been building warships from small PSK's to large Destroyers for the South Korean Navy since time immemorial, and it may be possible for them to build the same in Subic for us, as long as they upgrade their shipbuilding infrastructure to give them the capability to do so.

aircraft manufacturers, not really large-scale but we have the PADC, AIPI, and the defunct PAI.. but they're mostly subsidiaries of multinational companies (not really Filipino-owned, and they concentrate on avionics, ordnance-management systems, and maintenance, not really into building airframes for planes

pi_malejana

March 6th, 2011, 09:55 PM

dinala talaga ang pulitika dito ah..:lol::nuts:

Nabartek

March 6th, 2011, 10:07 PM

we have several commercial shipyards which are capable of building VLCC (Very Large Crude Carrier) aka Super Tanker like Keppel in Cebu and Hanjin in Subic. Hanjin has been building warships from small PSK's to large Destroyers for the South Korean Navy since time immemorial, and it may be possible for them to build the same in Subic for us, as long as they upgrade their shipbuilding infrastructure to give them the capability to do so.

aircraft manufacturers, not really large-scale but we have the PADC, AIPI, and the defunct PAI.. but they're mostly subsidiaries of multinational companies (not really Filipino-owned, and they concentrate on avionics, ordnance-management systems, and maintenance, not really into building airframes for planes

may pagasa pa tayo sa ships, if the government would "think out of the box". I think we need more ships ATM to guard our northern, southern and western waters. Eastern, not that much, I guess. Honestly, I find it appalling we are buying ships that are being retired by industrialized countries. Ukay-ukay syndrome?:nuts:

Nabartek

March 7th, 2011, 02:44 AM

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arcabe

March 7th, 2011, 05:02 AM

guys stick na lang tayo sa topic, iwasan na lang natin ang sobrang politika, para na tayong mga tongressman pag ganyan.

Parchie

March 7th, 2011, 06:21 AM

we have several commercial shipyards which are capable of building VLCC (Very Large Crude Carrier) aka Super Tanker like Keppel in Cebu and Hanjin in Subic. Hanjin has been building warships from small PSK's to large Destroyers for the South Korean Navy since time immemorial, and it may be possible for them to build the same in Subic for us, as long as they upgrade their shipbuilding infrastructure to give them the capability to do so.

aircraft manufacturers, not really large-scale but we have the PADC, AIPI, and the defunct PAI.. but they're mostly subsidiaries of multinational companies (not really Filipino-owned, and they concentrate on avionics, ordnance-management systems, and maintenance, not really into building airframes for planes

Please take note that Keppel-Cebu is more on ship repair than a shipbuilding! If you want to compare, Google is your best friend. Or try THICI (Tsuneishi Heavy Industries, Cebu Inc.) a joint venture with the Aboitiz Group. Click here (http://www.tsuneishi.co.jp/english/factory/thi.shtml)
Or this one (http://www.keppelcebu.com.ph/facility.htm)

Nabartek

March 7th, 2011, 06:24 AM

This 3-part article might interest you guys. :D

http://rokdrop.com/2008/05/08/heroes-of-the-korean-war-lieutenant-colonel-dionisio-ojeda-part-1/

Alinghi

March 7th, 2011, 06:34 AM

guys stick na lang tayo sa topic, iwasan na lang natin ang sobrang politika, para na tayong mga tongressman pag ganyan.

may epal kasi dito na bayaran pilit binibida yung former amo nya by manipulating facts
This 3-part article might interest you guys. :D

http://rokdrop.com/2008/05/08/heroes-of-the-korean-war-lieutenant-colonel-dionisio-ojeda-part-1/

link is not working

Please take note that Keppel-Cebu is more on ship repair than a shipbuilding! If you want to compare, Google is your best friend. Or try THICI (Tsuneishi Heavy Industries, Cebu Inc.) a joint venture with the Aboitiz Group. Click here (http://www.tsuneishi.co.jp/english/factory/thi.shtml)
Or this one (http://www.keppelcebu.com.ph/facility.htm)

Keppel is into shipbuilding and marine fabrication, not solely on repair. Tsuneishi is also one, in Balamban

Nabartek

March 7th, 2011, 06:42 AM

Repost:

Filipinos in Korean war (http://rokdrop.com/2008/05/07/heroes-of-the-korean-war-lieutenant-colonel-dionisio-ojeda-part-1/)

Alinghi

March 7th, 2011, 06:42 AM

may pagasa pa tayo sa ships, if the government would "think out of the box". I think we need more ships ATM to guard our northern, southern and western waters. Eastern, not that much, I guess. Honestly, I find it appalling we are buying ships that are being retired by industrialized countries. Ukay-ukay syndrome?:nuts:

our eastern coastlines are also under threat, not by an armed force, but by Taiwanese commercial fishermen who frequently plunder our own patrimony..

i even heard a rumor before that a Chinese submarine crew had a "beach picnic" along a deserted stretch of the Aurora coastline, without the permission, knowledge, and consent of the PHL authorities. if this rumor was true, it could have been very demeaning for our sovereignty

Parchie

March 7th, 2011, 06:48 AM

our eastern coastlines are also under threat, not by an armed force, but by Taiwanese commercial fishermen who frequently plunder our own patrimony..

i even heard a rumor before that a Chinese submarine crew had a "beach picnic" along a deserted stretch of the Aurora coastline, without the permission, knowledge, and consent of the PHL authorities. if this rumor was true, it could have been very demeaning for our sovereignty

Rumors do travel fast and far! Ganyan din ang "rumor" na narinig ko nuong napagawi ako sa Gumaca, Quezon way back 2004! Merong kayang katotohanan ang mga iyan?

Nabartek

March 7th, 2011, 06:49 AM

our eastern coastlines are also under threat, not by an armed force, but by Taiwanese commercial fishermen who frequently plunder our own patrimony..

i even heard a rumor before that a Chinese submarine crew had a "beach picnic" along a deserted stretch of the Aurora coastline, without the permission, knowledge, and consent of the PHL authorities. if this rumor was true, it could have been very demeaning for our sovereignty

I will try to read on that. What I had in mind is that Micronesia, Polynesia and Guam are hardly threat to the Philippines. Mas threatening pa nga ang bagyo na galing doon kesa islands na nandoon. And it's a wonder why would anyone want a typhoon-prone area :lol:

Alinghi

March 7th, 2011, 06:59 AM

Rumors do travel fast and far! Ganyan din ang "rumor" na narinig ko nuong napagawi ako sa Gumaca, Quezon way back 2004! Merong kayang katotohanan ang mga iyan?

there is really a high probability that these rumors are indeed true.

I will try to read on that. What I had in mind is that Micronesia, Polynesia and Guam are hardly threat to the Philippines. Mas threatening pa nga ang bagyo na galing doon kesa islands na nandoon. And it's a wonder why would anyone want a typhoon-prone area :lol:

wala tayong problema sa mga regions na to because they're mostly under the US, like Guam.. mga fishermen pa nga natin minsan ang pumupunta sa kanila to catch fish, especially in search of highly-priced tuna. we even have a tuna fishing agreement with Palau wherein Filipino fishermen are allowed to fish in their territorial waters

first knight

March 7th, 2011, 07:39 AM

Let's forget about the Hamilton. If the PN cannot get it then that's fine, it's a bad buy anyway for sure if they couldn't even arm it with anything than a cannon.

They should seriously look for those british Type 22 that are being decommissioned.

Speaking about blabbering fool... hey take a look at yourself in the mirror first.

Why not you look at the mirror and see for yourself that your are the blabbering fool here for saying this.

Are you provoking me? Your comment is surprisingly nonsense and foolish. Because I have no fight with you.

Nabartek

March 7th, 2011, 07:47 AM

^please lang, mga ganyan, idaan niyo nalang sa PM. Nakakadistract. On topic sana

first knight

March 7th, 2011, 07:49 AM

Parchie

March 7th, 2011, 07:51 AM

Keppel is into shipbuilding and marine fabrication, not solely on repair. Tsuneishi is also one, in Balamban

You could be probably right. I cut-n-paste from the Keppel site:
"In shipbuilding, Keppel Cebu has the capability to build barges, landing craft, tugboats, cargo ships and passenger vessels."

I guess it is clear what they do are "small" ships.

Alinghi

March 7th, 2011, 08:32 AM

You could be probably right. I cut-n-paste from the Keppel site:
"In shipbuilding, Keppel Cebu has the capability to build barges, landing craft, tugboats, cargo ships and passenger vessels."

I guess it is clear what they do are "small" ships.

in case you missed it, Keppel Phils also has a shipyard in Batangas, not just in Cebu.. and Keppel Phils builds general-purpose tankers, crude carriers, and asphalt carriers with a minimum of 10,000 DWT

and you consider these ships "small"? :nuts:

aranetacoliseum

March 7th, 2011, 08:52 AM

Philippine Navy acquires US patrol ship
Agence France-Presse
Posted at 03/07/2011 3:00 PM | Updated as of 03/07/2011 3:00 PM

MANILA, Philippines - The Philippine Navy said Monday it had bought a large Hamilton-class patrol craft from the United States to help it guard its waters amid tensions over territorial claims, notably with China.

The announcement was made by the new Philippine military chief of staff, Air Force Lieutenant-General Eduardo Oban, as he assumed his post.

"As I speak, Philippine Navy officers are now in the United States... preparing to sail our first Hamilton class navy (vessel) to the Philippines," he said in a speech to troops.

"We shall sustain efforts to modernize our Armed Forces," he added.

Details of the acquisition were not disclosed, but the Navy said in January that acquiring the refurbished, 380-foot (115-meter) vessel was aimed at boosting its border patrol capability.

Monday's announcement came amid fresh tensions between Manila and China over allegations that Beijing's patrol vessels harassed a Philippine oil exploration boat in disputed waters in the South China Sea last week.

After lodging a formal protest, President Benigno Aquino III ordered coast guard escorts for the oil exploration vessel, which was conducting a seismic survey in the Reed Bank, which is close to the disputed Spratly islands.

China has brushed the protest aside, reasserting that the Spratlys, which it calls the Nansha islands, and adjacent waters have always been part of its territory.

The reputedly oil-rich chain are claimed -- in whole or in part -- by China, Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam.

The new ship will replace the Philippine Navy's flagship, Raja Humabon, a Cannon-class destroyer escort, which is probably one of the world's oldest warships, the Navy has said.

Equipped with a retractable hangar, a helicopter flight deck and powered by a dual engine or gas turbines, the Hamilton is described as a high endurance cutter with close-in weapons systems.

Washington considers the Philippines a major non-NATO military ally and the two countries are bound by a 1951 mutual defense treaty.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/03/07/11/philippine-navy-acquires-us-patrol-ship