Philippine Defense Forces [Archive] - Page 32

Nabartek

March 29th, 2011, 06:14 PM

Gen. Oban should not succumb to the dictates of the syndicate of generals in the AFP that love to buy junk armaments from the US.

AFP gets P8B to hike

BY VICTOR REYES
Malaya Business Insights
March 29, 2011

ARMED Forces chief Gen. Eduardo Oban yesterday said President Aquino has earmarked P8 billion for the acquisition of naval and air assets needed to increase military presence in Palawan which is near the disputed Spratlys Islands.

He said the military is preparing a list of equipment, including vessels and long-range patrol aircraft, which will be acquired using the earmarked funds.

Oban said the funds are "for the initial development of our capability to have more presence in Palawan."

"That’s why we are pushing for capability development so we can really safeguard our interest, particularly (in the area)," he added.

Defense and military officials have admitted they lack sea and air assets to protect the country’s interest in the dispute over the Spratlys Island – a chain of potentially oil and minerals rich islands and islets.

The Spratlys Island, located west of Palawan, is being claimed in part or in whole by the Philippines, China, Taiwan, Malaysia, Brunei and Vietnam. Of the claimant-countries, China is the strongest in terms of military might.

"Perhaps the President saw our long-standing needs in terms of capability in the area," said Oban when asked what prodded the President to earmark the funds.

Asked if the fortification of facilities by some claimant-countries in the disputed area is among reasons, Oban just said, "Our mandate is we have to protect our interest in the area."

On March 2, two Chinese vessels harassed a Department of Energy vessel on oil exploration at the Reed Bank, which is 150 kilometers from the Spratlys.

The Chinese vessels reportedly told the DOE personnel to stop their activities in the area because it was Chinese territory. The military maintained the area is well within the Philippine territory or about 150 kilometers of Puerto Princesa City.

Oban, commenting on China’s warning for the Philippines to stop oil explorations in the Reed Bank, said: "That’s within the Philippine territory. That’s within 80 nautical miles off the coast of Palawan. It is our mandate to protect our resources in that particular area."

Oban also revealed that the military has earmarked P31 million to repair the airstrip at the Pagasa island, a large island that is part of the Spratlys, which is occupied by Filipino troops. The airstrip is so dilapidated that top defense and military officials, aboard a C-130 plane, failed to land on the island during a scheduled visit last February.

Oban said the repair would be undertaken "as soon as possible."

I can't really wait until the issue goes the the UN. China's expansion is really foul. If China strongly thinks it is their DE FACTO territory, they should arrest the drillers. But the fact that they don't, China obviously is all blabber about it being their "indisputable" territory.

China must be reminded that the Spratlys is neither Xinjiang or Tibet.
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On the issue, I hope that 8B won't go elsewhere

waraywaray architect

March 29th, 2011, 06:58 PM

What's the update on the trainer aircrafts expected to be delivered within the first quarter of 2011?

spearhead

March 30th, 2011, 02:31 AM

What's the update on the trainer aircrafts expected to be delivered within the first quarter of 2011?

"The Philippines has finalized a deal with Alenia Aermacchi for 18 new-build SF.260E primary/basic trainers. Deliveries are expected to start in late 2010.[4]

8 brand new SF 260F have been delivered to the PAF as of Nov.2010 by Aermacchi Italy which was locally assembled by Aerotech Industries Philippines with the remaining 10 units to be deliver by April 2011.
[edit]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_SF.260

spearhead

March 30th, 2011, 02:41 AM

gasgas na ang punto mo...alam naman nating lahat kung ano ang problema ng AFP eh. Kaya nga dapat good news kung may matatanggap tayong additional na gamit - ibig sabihin may pera pa ring hindi nabubulsa.

Anong problema ng AFP, cge nga pls sabihin mo nga ulit sa amin dito kung talagang alam mo?

spearhead

March 30th, 2011, 02:43 AM

But for the moment let's be contented with the Hamilton, she could be a good asset for the navy. We shuold be realistic with the small budget we have for the AFP. Well, if the news about the 8 Billion additional budget for naval and air assets procurement is true, then it's a great booster for our AFP. Slowly, we will attain our dreams, we're going straight to that path.:):)

Yep ano pa nga ba. Umasa nalang tayo na lagyan nila ng ASW, SS, and SAM capabilities itong bagong bili na lumang barko. Sana within this year kung tlaga ngang seryoso itong administration ni aquino na protektahan na ang ating mga interests sa spratley islands.

first knight

March 30th, 2011, 02:52 AM

Just hope China won't backstab Indonesia.

Im sure they will not.

They can only back stab puny countries like us with mechanized "salbabidas" and " sarangolas" as military assets.

rawr

March 30th, 2011, 03:32 AM

Anong problema ng AFP, cge nga pls sabihin mo nga ulit sa amin dito kung talagang alam mo?

The most obvious right now is the pabaon tradition/corruption being pointed out by gentlemuscleman.

rawr

March 30th, 2011, 03:34 AM

"The Philippines has finalized a deal with Alenia Aermacchi for 18 new-build SF.260E primary/basic trainers. Deliveries are expected to start in late 2010.[4]

8 brand new SF 260F have been delivered to the PAF as of Nov.2010 by Aermacchi Italy which was locally assembled by Aerotech Industries Philippines with the remaining 10 units to be deliver by April 2011.
[edit]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_SF.260

wiki is not a reliable source of info...just visit Timawa.

Simple Dude

March 30th, 2011, 04:45 AM

^^ Stryker Mobile Gun System

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firebar10

March 30th, 2011, 05:39 AM

I have to take back what I said about the Hamilton being useless..I think relative to the present state of our navy, having the Hamilton is leap in capability in force projection for our navy and I am inclined to believe that this is just the start of series of acquisitions for the navy to shore up its capabilities, so we will see, anyway as some pointed out here, the Hamilton was extensively modernized during its service life with the USCG, and therefore we should not expect any 1960s wiring or system in the ship, only the hull is from the 1960s.

spearhead

March 30th, 2011, 05:47 AM

wiki is not a reliable source of info...just visit Timawa.

Fuck timawa! :lol: timawans are also known in editing wiki. :lol: even if you go to timawa, it's the sf260. ikaw anong sagot mo, anong trainer aircrafts ang binili ng PAF if you're really a timawan?

arcabe

March 30th, 2011, 05:57 AM

after this, it will be ours.....

Coast Guard Cutter Hamilton decommissioning ceremony

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take note the CIWS at the aft section was removed.

RonnieR

March 30th, 2011, 08:43 AM

From USA TODAY
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2011-03-30-secretwar30_ST_N.htm

Philippines a model for counterinsurgency
By Jim Michaels, USA TODAY

Updated 1h 27m ago |

BASILAN, Philippines — Standing on a hilltop camp carved out of dense jungle, Lt. Cmdr. Craig Replogle, a U.S. Navy SEAL, peered at a distant hill where the Philippine military had recently overrun militant camps.

* Philippine soldiers walk with U.S. Sgt. Scott Didion on Basilan island. The militaries have worked together since 2001.

By Rhyne Piggott, USA TODAY

"We continually monitor where they are," he said of Abu Sayyaf, a once powerful insurgent group linked to al-Qaeda.

Though not widely known, the Philippines once threatened to become an epicenter of al-Qaeda. In the 1990s, before Osama bin Laden became a household name in America, top al-Qaeda leaders such as Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed were in this Pacific island chain developing ambitious plans to strike at America and the West.

Since 9/11, the small U.S. contingent here has given the Philippine military the tools and know-how to decimate Abu Sayyaf on its own and have created what some military experts say is a model for how to stop Islamic insurgencies before they require an invasion force to defeat.

"Nobody understands it better than the soldiers that have experience in the Philippines," said Army Brig. Gen. Edward Reeder, commander of the Army's Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg, N.C. "They understand counterinsurgency.

"Is it a future model for counterinsurgencies? Absolutely."
Minimal danger, cost

The Philippine mission is a rarity in the U.S. war on terror: a largely successful counterinsurgency at minimal cost in lives and dollars.

Seventeen U.S. troops have died since the task force was established here: three in bombings, and the remainder in a helicopter crash or other non-combat incidents.

In that time, the number of Abu Sayyaf militants went from a peak of 1,200 in 2001 to about 400 today, according to the Philippine military.

Under an agreement with the Philippine government, the U.S. forces cannot engage in combat. However, with the help of U.S. intelligence, the Philippine military has killed or captured 28 Abu Sayyah leaders, according to the Special Forces task force. Twenty-four remain at large.

Perhaps even more critically, the main Muslim separatist group is in talks with the Philippine government, leaving Abu Sayyaf more isolated than ever.

"Almost all the key leaders have been killed or captured," Philippines Lt. Col. Roland Rodil said.

The operation costs $50 million a year to maintain the small military contingent of about 600 U.S. servicemembers. The war in Afghanistan is costing U.S. taxpayers about $2 billion a week.

The Philippine mission is unique in that the U.S. is dealing with a friendly and relatively effective government and military.

Still, military analysts and military officers say the Philippines is a useful guide for fighting insurgencies in the future. The aim is to swoop into countries and help them extinguish an Islamic insurgency before it gains the strength of a Taliban.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates signaled as much in a recent speech to cadets at West Point.

The U.S. military must focus on capabilities that can "prevent festering problems from growing into full-blown crises which require costly — and controversial — large-scale American military intervention," he said.

Such a problem was festering here for decades.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who planned the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, lived in the Philippines in 1994 and 1995. From there he and Ramzi Yousef, who masterminded the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, concocted an ambitious plan to blow up airliners over the Pacific.

The plot was uncovered in 1995 only by chance after a chemical fire in Manila drew the attention of Philippine police.

The U.S. task force was created here shortly after 9/11 at the invitation of the Philippine government.

A key resource the Americans brought with them was high-tech intelligence against an insurgency hunkered in tough terrain among cowed locals.

"Americans help us a lot because of the accurate grid coordinates they have," said Lt. Col. Eugene Boquio, commander of the Philippines' 4th Scout Ranger Battalion.

His soldiers, living in a rough hewn camp carved out of the jungle, recently launched an offensive against Abu Sayyaf camps in a remote part of this island.

"All those locations were given to us by Americans," Boquio said.

The U.S. Special Forces here have to be careful to avoid getting into situations that could expose them to combat. They assist in training and provide other support, such as specialized night fighting skills.

Recently the U.S. and Philippine forces have been emphasizing development projects to win over the locals, a key precept of the U.S. military's counterinsurgency doctrine. The U.S. State Department's Agency for International Development is spending $100 million to boost the Philippines economy and build government institutions, much of it in the Muslim-dominated southern Philippines.

The efforts have quietly thwarted al-Qaeda's intention of gaining a foothold in Asia.

"We blunted it," said Navy Capt. Robert Gusentine, commander of the Special Forces task force based in the southern Philippines.
Military has earned trust

During a recent visit here, Philippine forces had launched operations against Abu Sayyaf remnants who were holed up in some jungle camps. Lightly armed Philippine special forces and Rangers uncovered some weapons caches and recent camps, but the militants disappeared deeper into the jungle.

"The enemy is on the run," said Philippine Capt. Rodolfo Tubera, a Ranger company commander.

At a Philippine military camp a couple 105mm howitzers lay idle after having earlier fired their shells in support of advancing troops. Philippine soldiers sat along a bench watching a fighting rooster peck at food in a hollowed-out coconut shell.

The U.S. military says one reason for the success here is that the Philippines military has — under U.S. influence — earned the trust of the citizenry by changing its past ways and becoming more professional.

In the 1970s, the Philippines military was a tool of former dictator Ferdinand Marcos, whose martial law cracked down on citizens. Corruption in the military was rampant.

"There was not much emphasis on human rights in those days," said Maj. Gen. Carlos Holganza, commander of the National Development Support Command.

Civilians "were afraid of the military," Tubera said.

Under U.S. tutelage, the Philippine military has overhauled the way it fights insurgencies, dropping its legacy of scorched earth tactics and adapting an approach that relies instead on protecting civilians and economic development, the Philippine and U.S. militaries say.

Today the Philippine military is helping to pave a road that runs through Muslim parts of Basilan, allowing farmers to bring produce to markets and helping breath economic life into poor villages scattered amid the rubber trees and coconut plantations.

"This road is key to winning the peace here in Basilan," said Brig. Gen. Nicanor Dolojan, commander of a task force operating against Abu Sayyaf in Basilan. Philippine army engineers were supervising workers as they poured asphalt in a remote stretch of the road.

Dolojan said local civilian officials are brought into the planning of military operations, establishing a bond between the military and civilians.

"We try to win over the local government," he said.

The military even sought input from human rights activists and others when they developed the overall national counterinsurgency plan. Some officers are having difficulty adjusting to the new approach, Holganza said. "The struggle is ... in trying to influence the traditionalists," he said.

Alih Tulawie, a teacher in a small Muslim village in Basilan, said the area is much safer since the military established a presence there. His small stucco school, which had been burnt down, was rebuilt with U.S. funds.

"The military is now behaved," said Alih Sali, the mayor of nearby Akbash, a tiny village of dirt roads and thatched roofed homes. "They are now close to the civilians."

The government is holding talks with both communist guerrillas, who operate in various parts of the Philippines, and the main Muslim separatist group, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, found mostly in the south.

Dolojan said the Liberation Front "indirectly blessed" the recent Philippine military operation against Abu Sayyaf and pledged to stay out of the fighting. That has allowed the Philippine military to concentrate on trying to eliminate Abu Sayyaf.

"We are going to destroy the Abu Sayyaf terrorist group," said Maj. Gen. Emmanuel Bautista, a staff officer at the military headquarters in Manila. "We are not even looking at peace negotiations with them."

As more pressure is brought on Abu Sayyaf, it has increasingly turned from an ideological organization to a criminal enterprise based on kidnapping and protection rackets.

"They are not fighting for a cause," said Al-Rasheed Sakkalahul, the vice governor of Basilan. "They're kidnapping people and raising money for survival."

U.S. and Philippine military officials say it is too early to reduce forces in the south, despite the progress.

Many of the conditions that fuel the insurgency, poverty and a weak government, have not been fixed and the remaining extremists would capitalize on the problems to recruit militants.

"They're still out there," Replogle said. "If we or the Philippines armed forces pulled out it could flare up again."

rawr

March 30th, 2011, 09:23 AM

Fuck timawa! :lol: timawans are also known in editing wiki. :lol: even if you go to timawa, it's the sf260. ikaw anong sagot mo, anong trainer aircrafts ang binili ng PAF if you're really a timawan?

LOL. wala akong sinabing mali ang pinost mo...it's the sf260.

my only point is that it's better for you to go straight to timawa.net rather than wiki.

me tanong lang ako, member ka rin dun diba? ba't Nov. 11, 2010 pa last activity mo sa timawa.net? Nasupalpal ka ba ni GAR? :))

arcabe

March 30th, 2011, 09:48 AM

mahirap mag post dun (timawa.net), lalo na't pag wala kang supporting docs...but very informative site, bawal ang tsismis.:)

arcabe

March 30th, 2011, 09:51 AM

glenskies123

March 30th, 2011, 09:52 AM

mahirap mag post dun (timawa.net), lalo na't pag wala kang supporting docs...but very informative site, bawal ang tsismis.:)

hehehe dami rin mga timawa d2.:lol::lol::lol:

pi_malejana

March 30th, 2011, 09:53 AM

mahirap mag post dun (timawa.net), lalo na't pag wala kang supporting docs...but very informative site, bawal ang tsismis.:)

^^ parang opsec naman ata dun palagi...:D "anu kayang magiging pangalan ng barko" -- opsec, "kelangan kaya darating ung mga heli" -- opsec, "anong ulam nyo kahapon" -- opsec...:laugh: :jk:

arcabe

March 30th, 2011, 09:59 AM

^^ parang opsec naman ata dun palagi...:D "anu kayang magiging pangalan ng barko" -- opsec, "kelangan kaya darating ung mga heli" -- opsec, "anong ulam nyo kahapon" -- opsec...:laugh: :jk:

ginawa pang forum...bakit pa? but I like the site, lot of information.:lol:

kalbongdad

March 30th, 2011, 10:17 AM

Enumerate please. Isang Cyclone, tatlong MPACs (not even considered a ship), PKMs..ano pa?

i've been following Timawa.net since eternity....and I can tell you that the Hamilton can be considered a milestone in relative to what we've got ever since 2001.

ai hindi pa marami sa yo yan....? nakita mo naman mas bago at yung iba brand new ano po.....siguro mas maganda sa yo ang isang 45+ years old na coast guard cutter....na wala man lang weapons systems.... ano po dahil malaki...:lol:

rawr

March 30th, 2011, 12:11 PM

ai hindi pa marami sa yo yan....? nakita mo naman mas bago at yung iba brand new ano po.....siguro mas maganda sa yo ang isang 45+ years old na coast guard cutter....na wala man lang weapons systems.... ano po dahil malaki...:lol:

:nuts: Marami ba ang isang barko at tatlong bangka?

it's not about the age of the ship, it's about the capabilities. Kung tutuusin mas malakas pa ang Hamilton sa Cyclone, MPACs at PKMs

Why? because of the 76mm gun and capability to store a fully armed helicopter.

Simple Dude

March 30th, 2011, 12:16 PM

^^ pero no match parin sa mga naval ships ng China yung Hamee,... so i hope ma train agad ng husto yung mga sundalo natin at mabilhan agad ng mga makabagong armas,...

kalbongdad

March 30th, 2011, 12:28 PM

no point in arguing......ang pumatol ka sa matanda...kesa sa dise at virgin pa....palagay ko mas masarap ang dise at virgin.....:lol: kahit saan angulo tingnan....:lol:

spearhead

March 30th, 2011, 02:53 PM

LOL. wala akong sinabing mali ang pinost mo...it's the sf260.

my only point is that it's better for you to go straight to timawa.net rather than wiki.

me tanong lang ako, member ka rin dun diba? ba't Nov. 11, 2010 pa last activity mo sa timawa.net? Nasupalpal ka ba ni GAR? :))

Wala k angang sinabing mali pero ang tono mo sa post mo parang nangiinsulto ka at mali yung sinabi ko. Kaya magisip isip ka bago ka mag post! :bash:

And just to let you know, i know timawa. Kaya next time bago ka mag-suggest, magbasa ka from the beginning of this thread.

Hindi si GAR ang kaaway ko dun, si adroth! yung kupal nayon! :lol: nagpapakagago sya at masyadong mayabang kala mo kung sinong perpekto hehehe..... :lol:

Yah that was the last time i logged on there. Every now and then i do that though to check on my inbox.

But i go there occasionally for other updates.

spearhead

March 30th, 2011, 02:58 PM

mahirap mag post dun (timawa.net), lalo na't pag wala kang supporting docs...but very informative site, bawal ang tsismis.:)

bad experience? :ohno::ohno:

hehehe dami rin mga timawa d2.:lol::lol::lol:

^^ parang opsec naman ata dun palagi...:D "anu kayang magiging pangalan ng barko" -- opsec, "kelangan kaya darating ung mga heli" -- opsec, "anong ulam nyo kahapon" -- opsec...:laugh: :jk:

ginawa pang forum...bakit pa? but I like the site, lot of information.:lol:

Yes i had a bad experience dun. Grabe mga gago dun, merong favoritism kasi ang mga administrators.

If you are not one of those who are donating funds to their so called "military donations", then you are subject to oppression! Malalaman nyo kung sino ang mga forumers na nag donate dun by just looking at their avatars. If you see the MBAC title that means he's one of those who donated money. So wag kayong makikipag away sa gma forumers na "MBAC", wala kayong laban sa kanila kahit anong mangyari!

So tayong mga drifting timawans, dapat iwanan nyo na totally yang timawa, wag na kayong babalik dun. I agree ginawa pang forum yung kupal na mga administrators na ginagawang authoritarian rule doon, parang military junta meron dun. Punta lang tayo dun para makiupdate hahahaha!!!! :lol:

Ingat din kayo kay jepot, mainitin ang ulo nun, kapag napikon sya, sabi nya sakin nun, ginugulpe nya mga estudyante nya by giving them hundreds of push-ups! Baka nga sya yung nanghahataw sa video ng latigo hahahahaha!!!!! :lol::lol:

Anyway in fairness to that timawa forum atleast the administrators are trying to turn that place into more informative with accurate information. Just ignore whatever your moderator/administrator's insulting message to you in your inbox/PM in case you have been also victimized by this oppression. They don't really welcome kids there, only the brightest adult forumers.

spearhead

March 30th, 2011, 03:11 PM

^^Instead, dito nalang kayo mag join, this is another type of philippine defense forum, but more relaxing and have open minded forumers, with really good and understanding administrators and moderators. Myself has been a member here for a couple of years na:

PHILIPPINES DEFENSE FORCES FORUM
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Defense_Philippines/index.php?

Just be aware that some timawans are also lurking that forum, even some have joined that place too. But people like Adroth, Jepot, Manokski, GAR, and Texan, have no longer been active there for a long time now (just probably lurking). Manokski is actually a nice guy. He has been taking a lot of photos and been a main contributor of that forum. Most of these timawans too have been oppressing PDFF forumers, despiting us too. Adroth even gave some bad words on Flipzi, a PDFF administrator. MC or MCentaur/MSantos, a former timawan too like me is now a moderator of this forum. He's a good guy, impatient but a little bit better than Adroth, i think his older brother or something related to him though. They both have studied in Taiwan and met in San Franciso. Well that's what i heard and read some of their posts. :)

gaLj

March 30th, 2011, 03:28 PM

I agree with most of the forumers here that Timawa.net s*ck ball pretty badly.

They're like a genius, as if they had manage seen those modern equipments before them. Well, maybe during the Balikatan exercise. I guess, they are salivating to have those goodies. But one thing is for surely ! they will have to use those antiquated and donated equipments from uncle sam/allied countries in their entire military life.

PS: Well, we're abit off topic. This is not the proper channel to air our grievances.

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back to the regular programming

Bad news : We are acquiring a stripped down Hamilton Class Cutter from Uncle Sam.
Good news :It has a lot of plenty of space we can use

Bad news : The Military doesn't have a name yet for the newly acquired cutter.
Good news : It will named either BRP General Ligot or General Garcia

spearhead

March 30th, 2011, 03:33 PM

^^I even think that the MBAC thing is a scam. They are just stealing your money. They would take pictures of their new medical gadgets to show off the updates of your financial support and where your money goes. After that they disappear, and they dont even go on TV for transparency, no media coverage of their good deeds, IF it is in fact an honest system. And for you donators should actually ask for it's transparency of their transaction so you would know where your money actually goes. Baka nga mamaya pa eh, kasagwat pala nila yang mga MBAC FORUMERS. You'll never know, and you cant blame people like me who question this charity. I myslef was gonna give them money long time ago, so thanks to Adroth's insulting remarks on me that changed my heart. After that i became more suspicious of their real motives, and i made some small investigation about this MBAC.

I actually like to ask mr. Ed Lingao,a freelance journalist to investigate it himself.

romzangelo25

March 30th, 2011, 05:19 PM

browsing about recent news about USCGC Hamilton.. ive found these..

just delete this post if it is already posted.. ^_^

Philippine Navy is in Town!

On 25 February we'll have some Philippine Navy shipmates report aboard the cutter
BOUTWELL at her moorings here at BSU Alameda. The reason why they're here is
to receive "hands-on" immersion training aboard a '378 prior to assuming custody of
the CGC HAMILTON through the Foreign Military Sales program. 21 members
from the rank of O-6 to E-3 will be aboard using the base facilities and residing on
BOUTWELL until she sails for patrol. They will remain aboard the BOUTWELL
throughout her patrol and we will see them again upon their return. As they are
active duty members of a military service, observe appropriate customs and
courtesies. To learn more about our guests, review these links.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/rp.html

http://www.navy.mil.ph/

http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/resources/global-etiquette/philippines-country-
profile.html

http://www.worldbusinessculture.com/Business-in-Philippines.html

CDR Lever (PAC-355)

510-437-5365

SOURCE: www.uscg.mil/bsuAlameda/docs/PhilippineNavyAtCGI.pdf

Simple Dude

March 30th, 2011, 08:10 PM

^^ we don't need to be superior here,... coz some of those forumers like me are also interested to learn more about military stuffs,... so sana the way mag react yung may alam, make sure that you cant pull down other persons feelings coz it will really trigger a conflict here,...

arcabe

March 31st, 2011, 02:17 AM

el_dasik_oo1

March 31st, 2011, 02:30 AM

arcabe

March 31st, 2011, 02:41 AM

Yep, alternative site for timawa. Not as informative as Timawa but mas relax. I'm also a member of that site pero lurker lang ako. Hindi ako nagmember sa timawa baka malunod lang ako sa mga nangyayari dun. :lol:

Anyway, balik sa topic. Regarding sa Hamilton, Kung tatanggalin ng US ang Phalanx. Baka i-consider ng Navy iba pang CIWS (or better if we develop one).

tinaggal na ang CIWS sa Hamilton...:)

el_dasik_oo1

March 31st, 2011, 02:54 AM

Huli na ako sa balita. :lol:

Ano naman kaya ipapalit nila dun?

arcabe

March 31st, 2011, 03:20 AM

Huli na ako sa balita. :lol:

Ano naman kaya ipapalit nila dun?

check mo sa previous post ko sa decommissioning video ng Hamilton, makikita mo sa aft section (nung tinaggal na ang US flag) wala na ang Phalanx CIWS.:ohno:

rawr

March 31st, 2011, 04:38 AM

Yes i had a bad experience dun. Grabe mga gago dun, merong favoritism kasi ang mga administrators.

If you are not one of those who are donating funds to their so called "military donations", then you are subject to oppression! Malalaman nyo kung sino ang mga forumers na nag donate dun by just looking at their avatars. If you see the MBAC title that means he's one of those who donated money. So wag kayong makikipag away sa gma forumers na "MBAC", wala kayong laban sa kanila kahit anong mangyari!

So tayong mga drifting timawans, dapat iwanan nyo na totally yang timawa, wag na kayong babalik dun. I agree ginawa pang forum yung kupal na mga administrators na ginagawang authoritarian rule doon, parang military junta meron dun. Punta lang tayo dun para makiupdate hahahaha!!!! :lol:

Ingat din kayo kay jepot, mainitin ang ulo nun, kapag napikon sya, sabi nya sakin nun, ginugulpe nya mga estudyante nya by giving them hundreds of push-ups! Baka nga sya yung nanghahataw sa video ng latigo hahahahaha!!!!! :lol::lol:

Anyway in fairness to that timawa forum atleast the administrators are trying to turn that place into more informative with accurate information. Just ignore whatever your moderator/administrator's insulting message to you in your inbox/PM in case you have been also victimized by this oppression. They don't really welcome kids there, only the brightest adult forumers.

haha...nabasa ko ata yung pambabaon na ginawa sa 'yo sa timawa...imo the mods there are doing a great job maintaining the information integrity of the forum....kaya nga super reliable ang mga info na makukuha dun.

No, kids are allowed there as long as they know how to cite data. Chismis without supporting facts are not allowed.

gaLj

March 31st, 2011, 07:29 AM

check mo sa previous post ko sa decommissioning video ng Hamilton, makikita mo sa aft section (nung tinaggal na ang US flag) wala na ang Phalanx CIWS.:ohno:

Don't worry, even if the US stripped her of all her modern equipments, we can replace those according to our configuration.

CIWS = Man carrying M16
Radars = Man with telescope
Otobreda 76 mm Canon = WWII Bofors
M242 Bushmaster = Man with Heavy Machine gun

first knight

March 31st, 2011, 03:06 PM

Simple Dude

March 31st, 2011, 03:38 PM

A great way to start our modernization if we can buy this

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TbihJB7Nwuk/TZRHmCOOFtI/AAAAAAAAI3M/cHEiSont17s/s400/Roketsan%2BT122%2BSakarya_TurkMilitary.jpg
Roketsan T122 Sakarya multiple launch rocket system (photo : TurkMilitary)

A few of these must be deployed in Pag-asa Island, KIG, Palawan, Batanes, Tawi-Tawi.

^^ :okay: Agree...

look at how creative the Lebanese air force is:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Lebarmyhueybomber.jpg

UH-1H carrying 3 bombs,... :)

the Philippine Military has actually almost the same situation with the Lebanese Military, also lack of equipments...

gaLj

March 31st, 2011, 06:43 PM

^^ :okay: Agree...

look at how creative the Lebanese air force is:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Lebarmyhueybomber.jpg

UH-1H carrying 3 bombs,... :)

the Philippine Military has actually almost the same situation with the Lebanese Military, also lack of equipments...

Well, Hauling capacity of UH-1H Helicopters is the culprit. It's a bit underpowered to carry heavy loads of bomb. In real world scenario; the rebels might have shot down the Huey before it can launch its missiles.

It's still better if we purchase dedicated attack helicopters / COIN aircrafts than to convert UH-1 into one.

Arvor

April 1st, 2011, 01:34 AM

Roketsan T122 Sakarya multiple launch rocket system

A few of these must be deployed in Pag-asa Island, KIG, Palawan, Batanes, Tawi-Tawi.

What would it be used for ? ... .

There is little to no need for rocket artillery in those areas especially since they are not very precise, they need more man portable anti ship and aircraft missiles and better communication and surveillance systems and if possible more powerful anti ship and air defences .

If artillery is required even a single but much more precise and rapid firing netcentric capable French 155mm cesar canon would be more useful ... .

Otherwise MQ9 Reaper drones controlled from Manila based on the islands would also be extremely useful .

first knight

April 1st, 2011, 02:03 AM

What would it be used for ? ... .

There is little to no need for rocket artillery in those areas especially since they are not very precise, they need more man portable anti ship and aircraft missiles and better communication and surveillance systems and if possible more powerful anti ship and air defences .

If artillery is required even a single but much more precise and rapid firing netcentric capable French 155mm cesar canon would be more useful ... .

Otherwise MQ9 Reaper drones controlled from Manila based on the islands would also be extremely useful .

defense.

amigo32

April 1st, 2011, 02:13 AM

first knight

April 1st, 2011, 02:18 AM

bobo wala tayo nyan
Certified idiot making a stupid projection.

Obviously, you are so helplessly stupid to understand my post. Blabbering idiotic fool.

Pathetic.Try again. To save your brainless head.

spearhead

April 1st, 2011, 02:27 AM

Don't worry, even if the US stripped her of all her modern equipments, we can replace those according to our configuration.

CIWS = Man carrying M16
Radars = Man with telescope
Otobreda 76 mm Canon = WWII Bofors
M242 Bushmaster = Man with Heavy Machine gun
:lol::lol::lol:

browsing about recent news about USCGC Hamilton.. ive found these..

just delete this post if it is already posted.. ^_^

Philippine Navy is in Town!

On 25 February we'll have some Philippine Navy shipmates report aboard the cutter
BOUTWELL at her moorings here at BSU Alameda. The reason why they're here is
to receive "hands-on" immersion training aboard a '378 prior to assuming custody of
the CGC HAMILTON through the Foreign Military Sales program. 21 members
from the rank of O-6 to E-3 will be aboard using the base facilities and residing on
BOUTWELL until she sails for patrol. They will remain aboard the BOUTWELL
throughout her patrol and we will see them again upon their return. As they are
active duty members of a military service, observe appropriate customs and
courtesies. To learn more about our guests, review these links.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/rp.html

http://www.navy.mil.ph/

http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/resources/global-etiquette/philippines-country-
profile.html

http://www.worldbusinessculture.com/Business-in-Philippines.html

CDR Lever (PAC-355)

510-437-5365

SOURCE: www.uscg.mil/bsuAlameda/docs/PhilippineNavyAtCGI.pdf

Dude, can you find out too if they are also being trained how to handle that phalanx CIWS system onboard that ship?

http://www.boatingsf.com/photos/070304/dscn0380_edited.jpg
U.S. Coast Guard's 378-foot Coast Guard Cutter Boutwell was built by Avondale Shipyards in 1968.

I have been wondering since this ship may have been purchased through FMS to save the PN a lot of money, then maybe they could buy a separate CIWS and other missile system from another defense contractor so they could install them on that hamilton ship while being refurbished. Come september, this ship will arrive with complete package then. :cheers:

first knight

April 1st, 2011, 02:33 AM

:lol::lol::lol:

Dude, can you find out too if they are also being trained how to handle that phalanx CIWS system onboard that ship?

http://www.boatingsf.com/photos/070304/dscn0380_edited.jpg
U.S. Coast Guard's 378-foot Coast Guard Cutter Boutwell was built by Avondale Shipyards in 1968.

I have been wondering since this ship may have been purchased through FMS to save the PN a lot of money, then maybe they could buy a separate CIWS and other missile system from another defense contractor so they could install them on that hamilton ship while being refurbished. Come september, this ship will arrive with complete package then. :cheers:

I concur.

In one forum, (try to check it again), they called this cutter "as a light frigate" and can really help the Philippines Navy, as what you said, by re-arming it will new weapons.

They pointed out its a good buy because of the acquisition cost, its still relatively younger (and refurbished in 1988) compared to our Rajah Humabon and it has a helipad that can be use for counter insurgency or rescue mission.

spearhead

April 1st, 2011, 02:40 AM

^^Something cheaper than what the americans can offer.

spearhead

April 1st, 2011, 02:43 AM

bobo wala tayo nyan

Dude i can't believe how you said that word?! Also, you obviously misunderstood firstnight's post. Kaw talaga o hehe... :lol: I think you owe him an apology.

el_dasik_oo1

April 1st, 2011, 02:45 AM

A great way to start our modernization if we can buy this

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TbihJB7Nwuk/TZRHmCOOFtI/AAAAAAAAI3M/cHEiSont17s/s400/Roketsan%2BT122%2BSakarya_TurkMilitary.jpg
Roketsan T122 Sakarya multiple launch rocket system (photo : TurkMilitary)

A few of these must be deployed in Pag-asa Island, KIG, Palawan, Batanes, Tawi-Tawi.

Harsh comment you got there. Obvious naman na wala tayo niyan. :nuts:

Anyway, I agree. However, I don't think it is wise to deployed it to those areas. If its rockets are guided, then ok lang. Pero kung hindi, then baka mauna pa siyang matamaan bago ang target niya. :)

spearhead: I read a post in timawa. Nagsuggest siya ng iba pang mga CIWS. Yung pinost niya eh CIWS ng russia and spain. Me nakita naman ako Dutch CIWS called Goalkeeper CIWS.

first knight

April 1st, 2011, 02:46 AM

Here are some info (Hamilton cutter) coming from a blog:

http://cgblog.org/

Chuck Hill January 30, 2011 at 12:32

BoBeth, The Pilippine Navy does have some the three Peacock class ships, which if CIWS and missiles were added, if they could handle the extra weight, would look like the ships you suggest, but they don’t have either.

Right now the 378s would be the most capable ships in the Philipine Navy, they would be both the most capable of defending themselves and the most likely to survive a hit. A 378 is likely to survive one cruise missile hit while the typical missile boat is more likely to quickly disappear after a single hit.

Perhaps more important from the Philippine Navy perspective is these ships handle heavy weather much better than the patrol ships they have now.

Its also likely the price of these ships will be far less than a new ship, even if much smaller.

Maybe they ought to look at the ships built for Trinidad and Tabago:
http://cgblog.org/2010/09/27/possible-new-ships-at-a-bargin-price/

Nicky Chaleunphone January 30, 2011 at 14:43

Maybe with the 378′s the Philippine Navy can either get the Harpoon missiles or go to France, China’s C-802 missiles or buy the Exocet missiles. That could be added to their frigate weapons systems

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patrick January 30, 2011 at 16:39

I am glad these ships will get a second life. I hope they take care of them and use them wisely. They are beautiful ships with a great history. Looking at Jane’s they will be a nice upgrade. I would rather surf in that part of the world on a 378 vs a small patrol vessel.

first knight

April 1st, 2011, 02:48 AM

el_dasik_oo1

April 1st, 2011, 02:51 AM

Yep, they will be. Kung makapurchase ng mga equipments and/or vehicles na me anti-air and anti-ship capabilities, then better.

spearhead

April 1st, 2011, 03:02 AM

Harsh comment you got there. Obvious naman na wala tayo niyan. :nuts:

Anyway, I agree. However, I don't think it is wise to deployed it to those areas. If its rockets are guided, then ok lang. Pero kung hindi, then baka mauna pa siyang matamaan bago ang target niya. :)

spearhead: I read a post in timawa. Nagsuggest siya ng iba pang mga CIWS. Yung pinost niya eh CIWS ng russia and spain. Me nakita naman ako Dutch CIWS called Goalkeeper CIWS.

Here are some info (Hamilton cutter) coming from a blog:

http://cgblog.org/

Well, just a suggestion.

But yes I agree. They are sitting ducks in those areas.

Yep, they will be. Kung makapurchase ng mga equipments and/or vehicles na me anti-air and anti-ship capabilities, then better.

Thanks for the blog links! :cheers:

If they could find those chinese, french, spanish or russian CIWS system cheaper then they should go for it now. And might as well tap some british BAE or other contractors to supply the PN hamilton cutter with missile system with training and do it all while it's being drydocked. Para ok masulit ang bili.

Arvor

April 1st, 2011, 04:01 AM

defense.

As "el dasik" pointed out, the reason for the comment i made was because that particular type of weapon would simply be useless given that the threats to those islands would be rather fast moving naval and aircraft, unguided rockets are best used against static targets say in the middle east or urban targets rather than our achipelagos where speed manoeuver and accuracy is important, its just to point out that weapons need to suit the environment in which they would be used in .

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http://www.pcij.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/spratlys-claims.jpg

In these far flung islands our task is basically to hold those islands we already occupy and to take islands that are occupied by others, this requires small groups of men platoon in size rather than large armies, they would need to be able to move quickly on speedboats or helicopters and as autonomously as possible due to the vast distances where these actions could take place, these small teams of men need to have enough portable firepower to rapidly take out adversary outposts and eventually to fend off in order to hold territory or attack things like aircraft, helicopters or naval crafts .

http://static.lexpress.fr/pictures/81/41596_le-drapeau-chinois-au-dessus-de-batiments-sur-pilotis-dans-la-zone-disputee-de-l-archipel-des-spratleys-le-1er-avril-1995.jpg
Foreign outposts

This is also where those MQ9 Reaper drones would come in handy as they could land and be based on those short tiny airfields in the Spratleys and therefor able to provide close air support for our forces and keep their surface fleets and light aircrafts at a distance .

coldfire083

April 1st, 2011, 04:08 AM

Parang Cyclone class on steroids yung Hamilton na kinuha ng Pilipinas.

el_dasik_oo1

April 1st, 2011, 05:07 AM

Parang Cyclone class on steroids yung Hamilton na kinuha ng Pilipinas.

sort of.. pero we'll see. Alam mo naman mga pinoy, bigyan mo ng kakarampot na mga materyales pero makakagawa ng mga kung ano ano. Yun nga lang, wag lang pana ang magawa at siguradong tepok na agad tayo. :lol:

gaLj

April 1st, 2011, 09:39 AM

Parang Cyclone class on steroids yung Hamilton na kinuha ng Pilipinas.

No true at all.

Giant Gun boat este Jacinto Clas yung Hamilton.

Cyclone class is probably the one of the youngest ship in our inventory. While the Jacinto Class is the most modern ship we can have.

spearhead

April 1st, 2011, 07:54 PM

^^Actually mas mukhang presidential yatch "Ang Pangulo" yung Hamilton cutter na pinahaba at linagyan ng turret sa harap. :lol:

http://www.shipspotting.com/photos/middle/4/4/2/244.jpg
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=244

firebar10

April 2nd, 2011, 07:46 AM

question guy, are getting only a single Hamilton class cutter/light frigate or we will get more of them?...If we can get at least 4 of them, it would add up greatly to our fleet capability plus if they will be armed up with equipment sourced outside the US (Europe/Russia), that would be great for our navy.

gaLj

April 2nd, 2011, 08:02 AM

firebar10

April 2nd, 2011, 10:24 AM

sayang naman...anyway, baka naman ang plan ng PN Navy is to basically use the larger Hamilton cutters as sort of a training vessel also to give Navy personel the feel of operating a large combat ship so later on when they acquire true frigate sized vessels, the Navy can handle them well.

Panzer_18

April 2nd, 2011, 10:58 AM

Yes. We are only getting only Hamilton Cutter . Other ships to be commissioned are heading to African nations.

^^i think that will be concerning bout the worsening illegal pirate activities in off sea-waters of africa...

In that case are these black folks has know-how expertise in naval combat battle, or just merely deployment purposes...

kalbongdad

April 2nd, 2011, 12:47 PM

sige na nga sana kunwari yung hamilton binili ng pinas at kunwari din top secret may mga hidden weaponry ito na lalabas lang pag may emergencies.....yeheey :lol:

gaLj

April 2nd, 2011, 04:26 PM

sige na nga sana kunwari yung hamilton binili ng pinas at kunwari din top secret may mga hidden weaponry ito na lalabas lang pag may emergencies.....yeheey :lol:

Don't worry brother, the PN Hamilton has stealth weapons. Not even the most sophisticated rather in the world can detect it.
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OT : What will be the name of the Hamilton Cutter ?

kalbongdad

April 2nd, 2011, 06:24 PM

Don't worry brother, the PN Hamilton has stealth weapons. Not even the most sophisticated rather in the world can detect it.
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OT : What will be the name of the Hamilton Cutter ?

korek.....dapat matakot na ang tsina sa atin....:lol::lol::lol:

spearhead

April 2nd, 2011, 07:11 PM

---

OT : What will be the name of the Hamilton Cutter ?

Your question is not an OT. It's gonna be BRP Raha Humabon, replacing our old one. :cheers:

spearhead

April 3rd, 2011, 01:51 AM

S211 and F5's with the Top Gear Magazine:
ot2saFvEVuE

first knight

April 3rd, 2011, 02:41 AM

coldfire083

April 3rd, 2011, 04:33 AM

Papalitan ng Hamilton ang Rajah Humabon pero kung paglalabanin mo ang Rajah Humabon vs Hamilton ay unang lulubog ang Hamilton. Ang galing!

kalbongdad

April 3rd, 2011, 05:24 AM

top secret yan.....actually tama ang nakuhang balita ng isang nag post dito....na may mga stealth weaponry ang hamilton......kaya hindi ninyo makikita :lol: tipong ma ta transform na lang pag may emergencies na....tingnan nyo mabuti baka makita nyo ang logo ng transformers...yung ang highly classified dun...:lol:

rawr

April 3rd, 2011, 05:30 AM

Papalitan ng Hamilton ang Rajah Humabon pero kung paglalabanin mo ang Rajah Humabon vs Hamilton ay unang lulubog ang Hamilton. Ang galing!

Nice joke. :bash:

The Hamilton's likelihood of surviving a cruise missile hit is much greater than the Humabon (which would most likely DISINTEGRATE immediately after the hit)

kalbongdad

April 3rd, 2011, 11:49 AM

ah mabuti kung ganun para may pampain na tayo......tuwing may crisis dyan sa spratly isalang agad ang hamilton para ma testing kung mahirap palubugin...:lol:

tsinito_hunk

April 3rd, 2011, 02:42 PM

matatakot pa ang mga invaders

spearhead

April 3rd, 2011, 03:19 PM

^^More photos of the Hamilton c/o facebook veteran shipmate members (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=177579585589146&set=o.144178996165&theater&pid=663606&id=100000113177843), taken during the decomissioning (just imagine that in grey colors with "BRP Humabon"):
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/196852_214103978603373_100000113177843_959749_4839375_n.jpg
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/73857_177579585589146_100000113177843_663606_6690208_n.jpg

Helicopter deck less the CIWS:
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/196252_214102738603497_100000113177843_959748_1373443_n.jpg
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/65969_1521377827966_1040163595_31253748_3304977_n.jpg
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/30082_1376893415946_1040163595_30909960_6164164_n.jpg

Just wondering if this mortar weapon was also taken out:
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/30032_1381473330441_1040163595_30920255_1746142_n.jpg
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/30032_1381472410418_1040163595_30920254_3683625_n.jpg

spearhead

April 3rd, 2011, 03:25 PM

^^Apparently part of it's original armaments are the 81mm mortar and ASW hedgehog projectiles. So hopefully atleast those 2 weapons would stay together with other minor weaponries, just minus the harpoon and ciws system.

kalbongdad

April 3rd, 2011, 03:39 PM

malay natin.....nakalimutan tanggalin.....:lol:

arcabe

April 3rd, 2011, 03:45 PM

malay natin.....nakalimutan tanggalin.....:lol:

yun ang maganda kung nagkataon, pero malamang impossible, mga kano pa, kung pwede wala ng makina, sagwan na lang papuntang Pilipinas.:)

spearhead

April 3rd, 2011, 03:58 PM

malay natin.....nakalimutan tanggalin.....:lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: !!

yun ang maganda kung nagkataon, pero malamang impossible, mga kano pa, kung pwede wala ng makina, sagwan na lang papuntang Pilipinas.:)

No di naman talaga mga kano ang may gustong tanggalin yun, they were even offerng all of them before. It's the filipino officials who decided not to include them to further bring down the price of the ship. But im hoping they would atleast leave the 81mm mortar system intact and installed in the ship, since the AFP is also known user of such weapon anyway. Sana give away nalang yun atleast.

Remember, it's the americans who has been offering us all kinds of shit and kick ass Oliver Perry frigates, AH-1 Cobras, F16's, F18's, and all other sorts of modern weaponries. It's our government's law makers position to have the final thoughts and decision.

Simple Dude

April 3rd, 2011, 04:26 PM

^^ that's how incompetent our government is,... which reflects to our own country's reputation,... that oliver perry frigate is a damn kick ass,...

arcabe

April 3rd, 2011, 04:35 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol: !!

No di naman talaga mga kano ang may gustong tanggalin yun, they were even offerng all of them before. It's the filipino officials who decided not to include them to further bring down the price of the ship. But im hoping they would atleast leave the 81mm mortar system intact and installed in the ship, since the AFP is also known user of such weapon anyway. Sana give away nalang yun atleast.

Remember, it's the americans who has been offering us all kinds of shit and kick ass Oliver Perry frigates, AH-1 Cobras, F16's, F18's, and all other sorts of modern weaponries. It's our government's law makers position to have the final thoughts and decision.

you got a point there man, but what I'm saying, gusto sana ng gobyerno natin na nandyan lahat ng armas at a friendly price pero ayaw talaga, gusto pa sanang mag buena mano, eh kano yan, tanggal lahat. Baka sa China pwede pa yan, buy one take one.:lol: j/k

but in fairness, tingnan natin ang performance magagamit natin ito, baka maupgrade din in later years ang mga armas nito.:)

first knight

April 3rd, 2011, 05:30 PM

Nice joke. :bash:

The Hamilton's likelihood of surviving a cruise missile hit is much greater than the Humabon (which would most likely DISINTEGRATE immediately after the hit)

Humabon is too old compared to the Hamilton to be fair. In fact the Hamilton based on the info that i have read is well-maintained and in fact refurbished in 1988. So it is still in good condition.

As suggested, the Hamilton can be of good use if rearmed and used as a "light frigate."

first knight

April 3rd, 2011, 05:34 PM

you got a point there man, but what I'm saying, gusto sana ng gobyerno natin na nandyan lahat ng armas at a friendly price pero ayaw talaga, gusto pa sanang mag buena mano, eh kano yan, tanggal lahat. Baka sa China pwede pa yan, buy one take one.:lol: j/k

but in fairness, tingnan natin ang performance magagamit natin ito, baka maupgrade din in later years ang mga armas nito.:)

I think the price offered by the US without those expensive weaponry (installed in a fairly old ship)is so attractive that the AFP was convinced to buy it.The rest of the cutter ships are all bound to Africa(like in oil rich Nigeria)

spearhead

April 3rd, 2011, 07:25 PM

you got a point there man, but what I'm saying, gusto sana ng gobyerno natin na nandyan lahat ng armas at a friendly price pero ayaw talaga, gusto pa sanang mag buena mano, eh kano yan, tanggal lahat. Baka sa China pwede pa yan, buy one take one.:lol: j/k

but in fairness, tingnan natin ang performance magagamit natin ito, baka maupgrade din in later years ang mga armas nito.:)

Actually i agree with you. Dapat di na humihingi pa ng bayad yung mga kano, sana kung binigay nalang din nila lahat ng armas pati ciws, pero masyado silang madamot din gusto lahat may bayad kahit close ally na tayo.

gentlemuscleman

April 3rd, 2011, 10:46 PM

spearhead

April 3rd, 2011, 11:57 PM

putang:old: nakita nyo yong nagpapa picture sa hamilton? ang tatanda na.:lol::old:kasing luma na nila ang hamilton,saka tinanggal na ang mga armas,dapat naman e refurbish yan at lagyan ng mga modernong gamit?gastusan ng afp lagyan ng mga modernong armas pang depensa at attack pati na ri asw saka modernong helo para naman matuwa tayo at ang ating mga navy.bakit kaya ang AFP puro bulok,luma,donation,refurbish na lang ang kayang bilhin?:lol::gaah:

kasi nga maraming dishonest sa militar natin, mga heneral na nagnanakaw ng mga pera, pati yang "pabaon" system nila na ngayon lang tinira ng gobyerno, wala pa ngang kasiguraduhan kung talagang matatanggal nila yan. otherwise, that military modernization will be like a circus, paulit ulit nilang babanggitin pero paulit ulit din nilang ninanakaw ang pera kaya wala talagang mangyayari sabansa natin kung ganyan lagi.

first knight

April 4th, 2011, 02:16 AM

Actually i agree with you. Dapat di na humihingi pa ng bayad yung mga kano, sana kung binigay nalang din nila lahat ng armas pati ciws, pero masyado silang madamot din gusto lahat may bayad kahit close ally na tayo.

I concur.

They should have given us those armaments (installed in the ship) as goodwill for our AFP.

Nabartek

April 4th, 2011, 02:25 AM

first knight

April 4th, 2011, 02:39 AM

^^Recession eh. :lol: But then again, it is not exclusive to the US. Pati ibang countries na nagdedecommission eh for cash din. The problem now, IMO, is with the AFP who keep on purchasing ukay-ukays :lol:

J/K

Maybe we could sell our very old and decommissioned planes, ships, etc to museums abroad for a whopping price (to fund the military). Di ba the older, the more expensive? :lol:

Perhaps.

But i would be better if we sell them to ship breaking firms abroad. India and China I think are gluttons when it come to steel and iron for their billet and steel plants.

As "consuelo de bobo" for the AFP perhaps the Hamilton can be refurbished again ( info says it was bought cheap hence there is still money to refurbish and re-arm it) and can be of great help to our Navy(with those helipad and powered by fairly good type of engines that the Humabon does not have.

Nabartek

April 4th, 2011, 02:44 AM

^^ It depends on the price. We should be wise here. Sell it to who offer the higher price. If the museum would offer it than ship breaking firms, so be it.

first knight

April 4th, 2011, 02:57 AM

^^ It depends on the price. We should be wise here. Sell it to who offer the higher price. If the museum would offer it than ship breaking firms, so be it.

Yes.

I dont know if Tsuineshi in Cebu actually is engage in this kind of business. But I know there is a company in the Philippines (maybe in Cebu, Batangas or Bataan) that offer ship breaking services with contracts in millions of pesos.

Nabartek

April 4th, 2011, 03:01 AM

Maybe, that could be a good choice. Money for the AFP, business for the business...it stimulates the economy..at least

gaLj

April 4th, 2011, 03:12 AM

I concur.

They should have given us those armaments (installed in the ship) as goodwill for our AFP.

screw US !

If we are able to defend ourselves, we should sever ties with them for good. US-PH ties doesn't make sense anymore, they're making our country as staging point in the region. Ok sana, if they armed us to act as a buffer zone, but it never happened and never will. So, it's much better to source our weapons from EU or RUS, at least they can offer us a sweet deal, unlike US.

Then we should initiate together with our ASEAN brothers a coalition force. In that way, we can create a formidable force in the region - enough to deter any aggression by China.

Nabartek

April 4th, 2011, 03:17 AM

first knight

April 4th, 2011, 03:17 AM

screw US !

If we are able to defend ourselves, we should sever ties with them for good.
Then we should initiate together with our ASEAN brothers a coalition force.

I concur.

I share the same idea.

India, Indonesia, Turkey, South Africa and Brazil can be good source of armaments.

In one forum with latin American ambassadors as guests, I'd inquired if Brazil has a defense industry to counter balance the US.

They have. And they can export some military hardwares to the country.Venezuela actually love the idea.

Nabartek

April 4th, 2011, 03:19 AM

^^ I think weshould be careful about any country that trusts China so much... Brazil is one of them AFAIK

arcabe

April 4th, 2011, 03:21 AM

Kahit na si Ninoy nagsabi na neglected talaga ni uncle sam ang army natin...what if kung sya ang naging presidente?

goUiPwcoOL0

Nabartek

April 4th, 2011, 03:25 AM

^^IDK, I feel so uncomfortable about that "neglected by Uncle Sam statement" especially that we are not a US territory anymore so it is not the US' responsibility to arm or defend the Philippines (not unless we are attacked by a foreign land where the US has a responsibility due the Mutual Defense Treaty).

The funny thing with our relationship with Uncle Sam, when they're here...our politicos complain that they are violating our sovereignty by just being here. When they're not here, we complain they neglecting us...

Ano ba talaga Juan. :lol:

It is the Philippine government that has neglected the Philippines by not upgrading the military despite obvious symptoms of our neighbor's muscle flexing and bullying

gaLj

April 4th, 2011, 03:28 AM

^^

Those are things of the past. We have warm relationship with Vietnam and Singapore (and maybe with Thailand) . We can create a Coalition force if the situation needs it.

first knight

April 4th, 2011, 03:29 AM

^^ I think weshould be careful about any country that trusts China so much... Brazil is one of them AFAIK

Money talks.

But first we should stop our greedy corrupt generals from siphoning money intended for the purchase of weapons.

Perhaps, Carlos Garcia, Gen. Ligot and the ISAFP generals engaged in conversion and pabaon corrupt schemes should be punished severely and used as examples of this administration.

Nabartek

April 4th, 2011, 03:33 AM

Panzer_18

April 4th, 2011, 03:34 AM

SEATO was a failure...how could we build a coalition in ASEAN? We disagree more with a lot of things are are mutually suspicious of each other. The Philippines and Indonesia have territorial disputes with Malaysia. Singapore and Malaysia are still bickering about their past and who is superior. And Vietnam is like a mini-China claiming all of the islands in Spratly's including the ones in our EEZ, and we can't even do anything about serious human rights in Cambodia.

^^and worse thing is the Thailand-Cambodian Border dispute, that too harsh from them. These two countries are in great insane... killing innocent civilians, Crashing Two government military and etc2x... Just for the ancient temple on whose gonna be that sole reputed ownership... :bash:thats only a single hectares...Darn!!!! ...

Pati rin ang Japan at South korea ng.kakadispute din bout sa Liancourt Rocks dispute...:ohno:

Nabartek

April 4th, 2011, 03:35 AM

Money talks.

But first we should stop our greedy corrupt generals from siphoning money intended for the purchase of weapons.

Perhaps, Carlos Garcia, Gen. Ligot and the ISAFP generals engaged in conversion and pabaon corrupt schemes should be punished severely and used as examples of this administration.

The government should stop the mentality that it is other country's responsibility to arm the AFP.

Nabartek

April 4th, 2011, 03:38 AM

^^and worse thing is the Thailand-Cambodian Border dispute, that too harsh from them. These two countries are in great insane... killing innocent civilians, Crashing Two government military and etc2x... Just for the ancient temple on whose gonna be that sole reputed ownership... :bash:thats only a single hectares...Darn!!!! ...

Pati rin ang Japan at South korea ng.kakadispute din bout sa Liancourt Rocks dispute...:ohno:

I think there is also a dispute of East Sea/Sea of Japan... kahit maliliit na bagay :lol:

Panzer_18

April 4th, 2011, 03:39 AM

^^ It's not just the "past", it is still on going. There is a mutual distrust of Malaysian and Singaporean politicians up to date. Malaysia still blames Singapore for the race riots. Vietnam's Spratly's claims overlaps all country's claimants, even the ones in our EEZ and they are beefing up their military. We should not our guards down with that. There is a possibility that if given the economic and military rise, they will go the way China is going now.

The thing is, given the political situation, a EU-like ASEAN is still far-fetched. Even our neighbors, even Spratly's claimants are not backing their fellow ASEAN neighbors (even the ones with Spratly's claim - I am talking about Malaysia and Brunei) with China's muscle flexing.

It's sad, but that is reality.

^^i truly agree on that!!! ASEAN??? i dont think so???... Eu has established more concrete and serious blue prints on how to create a solid grounds for the EU countries... ASEAN??? we cant even reach the totality of economic growth and development, EU is more advanced than the ASEAN... A long way to go for Asean... Asean is still having scrapes and glitches...

Panzer_18

April 4th, 2011, 03:42 AM

I think there is also a dispute of East Sea/Sea of Japan... kahit maliliit na bagay :lol:

^^:nuts::nuts: much more the JPA-CHI dispute of the rich natural gas areas of yellow sea... :bash::bash:

Nabartek

April 4th, 2011, 03:42 AM

^^i truly agree on that!!! ASEAN??? i dont think so???... Eu has established more concrete and serious blue prints on how to create a solid grounds for the EU countries... ASEAN??? we cant even reach the totality of economic growth and development, EU is more advanced than the ASEAN... A long way to go for Asean... Asean is still having scrapes and glitches...

The only good thing that came out of ASEAN is the 21-day visa free travel (as a tourist). :lol:

The big difference about ASEAN and EU is that ASEAN countries hold on to our grudges, while EU, they move on. Germany tried to stir up conflict in Europe twice in WW1 and WW2, but you don't see their neighbors going "screw Germany".... or something like that.

first knight

April 4th, 2011, 03:52 AM

The only good thing that came out of ASEAN is the 21-day visa free travel (as a tourist). :lol:

The big difference about ASEAN and EU is that ASEAN countries hold on to our grudges, while EU, they move on. Germany tried to stir up conflict in Europe twice in WW1 and WW2, but you don't see their neighbors going "screw Germany".... or something like that.

For practical purposes in the case of Europe. In terms of land area and population, Europe (the Russian bear not included. They have their own world)is composed of mostly super rich micro states (excluding Germany, France, UK, Poland and Italy.

Thanks also to the spoils of colonization, crusade and technology) but their advantages will diminished overtime with giants from Asia catching up parading the same nationalistic zeal with huge economic prowess.

Think about this:

Industrialized India with 1.2 (2010 estimate) billion people living in a huge South Asian subcontinent.

Industrialized China with 1.3 (2010 estimate) billion people living in the 3rd largest country (in terms of land area)in the world.

Emerging Southeast Asia (including yes, pathetic Philippines) with a growing economy and a battle tested armies.

North Asia with South Korea, Japan and Taiwan. Rich with strong self defense forces.

Nabartek

April 4th, 2011, 03:57 AM

^^With all what has gone through Europe, I think it is admirable that they have a strong coalition...as compared to ASEAN. The continent that used to be threatening each other have a decade ago has now a strong coalition. Compared to ASEAN...? Given the history of European colonization, you'd think that this is enough to build a strong coalition for self-preservation (and not to mention the rising China threat) yet, here we are still stuck in our "tribal mentality". Not even Malaysia is willing to give equal treatment to its non-Malay citizens.

I think it is that over nationalistic zeal that hurts many Asian nations... it makes us many of us inward looking, hence, contemptuous with our neighbors. It becomes more of a backfire than an advantage.

first knight

April 4th, 2011, 04:02 AM

Nabartek

April 4th, 2011, 04:11 AM

^^Actually, Asian nations tried to do the same, only that we lagged behind Europe and these dynasties have always been overthrown. The Majapahit overthew the Srivijaya, Mongolia conquering most of the Asia mainland and part of Eastern Europe, Japan and its adventure in WW2, Koxinga almost conquering the Philippines had he not died of Malaria, China taking over Tibet, and Xinjiang and Austronesian Taiwan, Indonesia taking over East Timor when the Portugese left, Hans from the North China taking Southern China from the natives, Arabs conquering southern Europe and North Africa before the European expeditions. Military adventurism in Asia is not much different from the West. So it is extremely biased to the single out just the West in "colonization" or "imperialism". Even in pre-Columbian Americas, tribes over there have been conquering each other. In fact, many non-Aztec tribes join the Spaniards to overthrow the Aztecs whom they thought as imperialists (only to fall for the same trap), much like when Aguinaldo asked help from the Kanos.

The Philippines almost went that way with the failed plan of armed invasion of Sabah during Marcos' time

Let's also not forget that Magellan was killed not because Lapu-lapu was defending his land from the invading Spaniards but from a rival chieftain whom Magellan formed allegiance with

What I'm trying to say here is that things are not black and white. West, bad. Asia, good. Both world's have its givings and misgivings. Not one nation is entirely bad nor good.

In ww2, the Russians suffered from German attacks and treachery. But when the Russians took Berlin, they raped many German women and the Russian government actually encouraged rape and mobbing by its own soldiers against German citizens.

Pretty much the same with American soldiers stationed elsewhere. Do all of them abandon their kids and wives? Some do, but some do fight the red tape and unnecessary bureaucracy (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/12/22/ross.soldier.family.denied.kbtx) to get their children and wives to be with them. Just as much as not all politicians are bad, not all politicians are good either

Panzer_18

April 4th, 2011, 04:42 AM

Nabartek

April 4th, 2011, 04:45 AM

^^Asean charters only wildlife, environment, economy and tourism... what else for???... 21-days visa a big yes for tourist....

ASEAN doesn't even aid the wildlife, environment preservation comapred to what the UN does. It makes no sense. :lol: So that reduces the advantage of ASEAN to the 21-day visa free travel. :lol:

Nabartek

April 4th, 2011, 04:56 AM

Industrialized China with 1.3 (2010 estimate) billion people living in the 3rd largest country (in terms of land area)in the world.

Emerging Southeast Asia (including yes, pathetic Philippines) with a growing economy and a battle tested armies.

North Asia with South Korea, Japan and Taiwan. Rich with strong self defense forces.

I don't think you got what I was trying to point out. I'm not saying that Europe is superior to Asia or what. For one, I do not believe in a continental superiority or even an ethnic group superiority nor that a country or continent is inherently bad. I may not like China's current policy and its government but I don't hate Chinese people. In fact, I take East Asian history right now.

I do not resent the Asian economic growth, nor do I celebrate the stalement of the US and European economies.

What I was trying to point out was despite all that Europe ha gone through, Arab invasion, ww1, ww2, cold war division of West and Eastern Europe, in the end they manage to have a strong coalition. Asia? Despite the growing economies, our tribalism has not faded. Hence, the failure to create a genuine coalition. SEATO itself was a big failure. We distrust each other although we don't admit it.

There lies the difference between the EU and ASEAN. Sure, EU countries have conflict among themselves but then, they try to be a strong coalition. ASEAN? You don't even see that happening.

If we want ASEAN to succeed, there should be a collective effort. But in ASEAN, we abandon each other. Vietnam, rather than asking help from its fellow ASEAN(aside from the Philippines) turns to its former enemy, Uncle Sam, as regards to China's muscle flexing.

Panzer_18

April 4th, 2011, 05:13 AM

ASEAN doesn't even aid the wildlife, environment preservation comapred to what the UN does. It makes no sense. :lol: So that reduces the advantage of ASEAN to the 21-day visa free travel. :lol:

^^:lol::lol:dude they did passed that charter yet the action is not even showned or even in acted as a plan for that, there just showing that they are papersworks to do with there Asean thingy:D ... in short napapakita lamang sila nah meron silang nagawa... and also parang malaysia nalang nabibigyang pansin nila ... :(

Arvor

April 4th, 2011, 05:24 AM

For practical purposes in the case of Europe. In terms of land area and population, Europe is composed of mostly super rich micro states

What micro states are you talking about ? ... .

Thanks also to the spoils of colonization, crusade and technology but their advantages will diminished overtime with giants from Asia catching up parading the same nationalistic zeal with huge economic prowess.

Think about this:

Industrialized India with 1.2 (2010 estimate) billion people living in a huge South Asian subcontinent.

Industrialized China with 1.3 (2010 estimate) billion people living in the 3rd largest country (in terms of land area)in the world.

That's largely an over optimistic pipedream, if anything India and China's large populations are a massive strategic liability that renders them extremely vulnerable .

Despite the Chinese and Indians having big heads and thinking that they are now "super powers", there is still a huge gap between their self perception and reality and this will still be the case by 2050 .

with a growing economy and a battle tested armies.

North Asia with South Korea, Japan and Taiwan. Rich with strong self defense forces.

Few armies in Asia today are truelly "battle tested" and non are up to the task of fighting a real war, the quality of the Taiwanese military has gone downhill these past decades and China's military capability despite the bravado and some new equipment is still largely poor due to lack of experience and other weaknesses .

Japan and S.Korea are the only two countries with a somewhat well equipped force in Asia but here again these militaries are untested and suffer from a lack of experience, it is not to say that China can't cause trouble as it does not take alot of experience to shoot missiles at a large city, but there is a difference between lobbing projectiles against civilian targets and fighting a real "battle tested" force .

Nabartek

April 4th, 2011, 05:30 AM

^^ Interesting, Japan and Korea still have the US bases for defense. :lol:

Nabartek

April 4th, 2011, 05:31 AM

^^:lol::lol:dude they did passed that charter yet the action is not even showned or even in acted as a plan for that, there just showing that they are papersworks to do with there Asean thingy:D ... in short napapakita lamang sila nah meron silang nagawa... and also parang malaysia nalang nabibigyang pansin nila ... :(

Exactly my point kaya nga yung may silbi lang ata na ginawa ng ASEAN eh yung 21 days visa free entry for tourists :lol:

Panzer_18

April 4th, 2011, 07:41 AM

Exactly my point kaya nga yung may silbi lang ata na ginawa ng ASEAN eh yung 21 days visa free entry for tourists :lol:

^^:lol::lol:Well unified Visa could really be a major eye source for tourist and for businesses as well... could also attract illegal entries of any forms of modus operandi's and etc... but i guess Thailand will be legal bout there entities in sex tourism industry

Talata.Productions

April 4th, 2011, 08:11 AM

If we want ASEAN to succeed, there should be a collective effort. But in ASEAN, we abandon each other. Vietnam, rather than asking help from its fellow ASEAN(aside from the Philippines) turns to its former enemy, Uncle Sam, as regards to China's muscle flexing.

Maybe, just a hunch, maybe Vietnam thinks that the Philippines is now China's bitch... :O Not really surprising since most rich "Pinoy" is of Chinese origin.
I think China has become big in it's influence in Asia, most countries in Asia and Asean is doing big trades with China and even Libya wants to be China's bitch now. :lol:
Come to think of it, what can the Mighty Philippines can offer to Vietnam. Oh wait, let's send them our precious Rajah Humabon! they'll be soooo afraid.. Haha. :lol:

T-T Phil, using "Rajah Humabon" as a ship's name really reflects our military capabilities. It's ancient. I hope that we'll get to see some real ships with "Pres. Emilio Aguinaldo" or someone's names that didn't live in Pre-Spanish Era, but what I'm hoping is seeing a BRP Luzon, BRP Visayas and BRP Mindanao, I read it somewhere that if PH were to acquire Air-craft carriers it should be named like that, Hope that I'm still alive when I get to see them. :cheers:

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Off topic:
Can anyone suggest to them that the Hamilton be named "Lapu-Lapu". Hahaha! Seriously. They should name Hamilton as Lapu-Lapu! Cuz if I remember correctly it was Rajah Humabon who requested Magellan to kill Lapu-Lapu, at least in it's name we could have hope, Lapu-Lapu slain foes who were technically superior, reflects what they should do just in case something huge comes up, hopefully not :lol:.. besides he's regarded as the 1st Filipino hero. I bet he have more than enough rights and credits to be named after a proud BRP ship, after all we have a long history of heroes all BRP ships should be named after. Just a suggestion though. :cheers:

first knight

April 4th, 2011, 10:44 AM

What micro states are you talking about ? ... .

Clarifications:

Compared to the behemoths of Asia i.e. China, India, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia--relatively they are micro states.

There are alot of micro states in Europe namely Monaco, Vatican City, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, San Marino, Andorra, Albania, Bosnia, Cyprus, Malta.

Anyway, I stand corrected with the terms mostly and micro states.

Should be a good number of small states.

spearhead

April 4th, 2011, 07:47 PM

Kahit na si Ninoy nagsabi na neglected talaga ni uncle sam ang army natin...what if kung sya ang naging presidente?

goUiPwcoOL0

Shet!!! Bakit ba kasi pinatay pa si ninoy eh, sya talaga sana ang pinakang competitive potential president ng pilipinas. And his children never had his wit, his wife screwed the philippines.... I hope, si pnoy ay may makuhang katalinuhan ng tatay nya, sya nalang ang natitirang pagasa ng mga pilipino ngayon na baguhin and turn around the philippine economy and armed forces into one of the best in asia.

Arvor

April 4th, 2011, 10:44 PM

Its quite sad that dynastic politics is something that is entertained in the country ..., the sooner it is turned into a federal parliamentary republic the better .

arcabe

April 5th, 2011, 04:55 AM

Its quite sad that dynastic politics is something that is entertained in the country ..., the sooner it is turned into a federal parliamentary republic the better .

but how soon? considering the fact that all of our senators wants to be the next president.:bash:

Askal82

April 5th, 2011, 05:22 AM

bitoy

April 5th, 2011, 09:32 AM

^^ Meron kaming nakasama nuon na opisyal, ang galing sa mga plano pag war games. Nang na deployed sa ME nag kalat. His first seargent made sure his ass is in one piece. :D
Maraming kaso na ganyan, pagbalik dito, tulala. Kaso mas nakakatakot yung mga sobrang gung ho, katulad ng recent news, maraming me kasong sundalo na namaril ng unarmed civilians sa Afghanistan. :ohno:

spearhead

April 5th, 2011, 02:44 PM

Has anyone here played Front Mission 3 on Playstation 2? Interestingly, Philippines is well represented in the game, about 200 years later. :lol:

Magkatotoo kaya to? :lol:

66jRHueKMZ8

Sana hindi mangyari to. :lol:

6_KLAiyMynI

WOAAA na xtra ang pilipinas dyan ha ok hahaha!! Mga intsik pala yung combat transport ships dun hehehe... :cheers: :lol: Di ko alam yang game, mabanggit nga sa utol ko, kasi ako pang xbox lang, sya PS3 hehe.....

Its quite sad that dynastic politics is something that is entertained in the country ..., the sooner it is turned into a federal parliamentary republic the better .

Sa tingin ko kahit mag federalism tayo di parin talaga mawawala yang kultura nayan unless na merong makapagbago sa atin at tayo lang ang makakagawa nyan. Pero mas bilib akong magwowork parin ang parliamentary-federalism tlaga sa pilipinas, yan talaga ang bagay kasi sa situation dyan, lalo na maraming aspiring presidents, lahat gustong maging lider, then yan ang eksaktong solution sa problem nyan. :cheers:

spearhead

April 5th, 2011, 03:20 PM

spearhead

April 5th, 2011, 03:27 PM

Ano ba ito, kapag nagsara nnaman itong thread for a new one, ubos ang ating "posts"! I found this youtube report about those 18 SF260 basic trainers:

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And a proposal for 6 Lead-in jet training aircrafts w/ capable of multiroles:
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spearhead

April 5th, 2011, 03:38 PM

LATEST VIDEO UPDATE by our AFP modernization program:

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gentlemuscleman

April 5th, 2011, 07:09 PM

first knight

April 6th, 2011, 01:49 AM

Askal82

April 6th, 2011, 02:56 AM

WOAAA na xtra ang pilipinas dyan ha ok hahaha!! Mga intsik pala yung combat transport ships dun hehehe... :cheers: :lol: Di ko alam yang game, mabanggit nga sa utol ko, kasi ako pang xbox lang, sya PS3 hehe.....

Sa tingin ko kahit mag federalism tayo di parin talaga mawawala yang kultura nayan unless na merong makapagbago sa atin at tayo lang ang makakagawa nyan. Pero mas bilib akong magwowork parin ang parliamentary-federalism tlaga sa pilipinas, yan talaga ang bagay kasi sa situation dyan, lalo na maraming aspiring presidents, lahat gustong maging lider, then yan ang eksaktong solution sa problem nyan. :cheers:

Sorry for the error, it was a game on the 1st Playstation.

Nope, Philippines is one of the powerful countries in that rpg game.

They have their own mechs and robots equipped with powerful weapons. On the other hand, Philippines was one of the powerful countries with a submarine carrier (carrier pa) in the game known as Dagat Ahas. :lol:

Kaltehitze

April 6th, 2011, 05:15 AM

shittttt talaga.ang panget ng eroplano na yan,wala talagang kwenta pumile ang mga kupal na heneral.^^:down:di naman nagkakalayo ang presyo ng eroplano na yan sa super tucano? ano ba yan ang pangetttttt.....grrrr bobo talaga ang mga heneral ng pilipinas.saka bat inuna pa nila ang mga trainer plane na yan kesa sa mga jets? mga putang ^^:weirdo: nila talaga dapat yong korean made na t-50 na lang ang binili nila matutuwa pa tayo.hay naku walang mapapala sa mga heneral ng pilipinas puro pagnanakaw lang....:lol::lol::lol::lol:

I definitely agree with you sir. Kahit na T-50 ng korea na lang or yung Ching Kuo fighter jet ng taiwan ang binili nila, mas mura pa. Isa pa, the t-50 and ching kuo jets can be used for both training or actual combat.

Unlike sa training jet, hanggang dun lang, di mo magamit pag may surprise na guerra.

Kaltehitze

April 6th, 2011, 05:23 AM

from the Inquirer: A PHILIPPINE DEVELOPED AMPHIBIAN VEHICLE.

I hope bibilhin to ng Phil. Army para naman na meron tayong self-sustained defense industry. Isa pa, acquisition of this vehicles are in pesos not dollars, plus makakapag-bigay pa ng hanap buhay sa mga factory workers ng company na ito:

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PH-designed amphibious vehicle set to be launched

By Jason Ang
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 20:57:00 04/05/2011

MANILA, Philippines—The Philippines, as one of the world’s largest archipelagos, also has one of the longest combined coastlines on the planet. Patrolling them requires a well-trained military force and, just as importantly, an appropriate fleet of vehicles.

Enter the Coastal-Riverine-Overland Craft (CROC). The CROC is a locally developed, Filipino-designed amphibious vehicle that combines the abilities of an all-terrain vehicle and a high-speed jet boat. CROC reportedly incorporates lightweight but rugged materials and breakthrough hull design. It is designed to be equally adept at running on land and cruising in the water.

The CROC starts out as a 4x4 land vehicle and by retracting its wheels, transforms into a high-speed powerboat capable of navigating in deep and shallow water.

On land, the CROC is projected to be capable of speeds up to 120 km/h, and with a 200-liter dual fuel tank, could attain a range of 1000 km. Its specs include independent double-wishbone suspension at the front, and a rear torsion bar with coil-over-Eibach springs. It is even equipped with four-wheel steering, providing maneuverability in tight spaces such as the infamous U-turns along C5. It’s equipped with four-wheel disc brakes.

A centralized tire-pressure control system, like the Humvee’s, can be included as an option. A front winch and a portable winch will help in its varied missions, as will a steel-reinforced back rest, that, used as a bridge, will enable the truck to traverse a one-meter canal or trench.

Its optimum land speed could exceed 120 kph and with a 200-ltr dual tank, the range could be more than 1000 kms on paved roadways.

In the water, CROC’s tri-hull design and 23-foot length provide stability, and also lessen the shock transmitted to the interior. In the water, it is powered by a marine jet drive, allowing it to perform spins, slides and full stops in high-speed runs. Virtually unsinkable, the CROC stays afloat even if its compartments are filled with water. The four tires help provide buoyancy. Its design includes self-righting capability in the event that it flips over.

The model that will be on display at the Manila International Auto Show (MIAS), from April 7 to 10 at the World Trade Center, is dubbed the CROC-X, as it is an experimental model. Powering the CROC-X is a 5.2-liter Magnum V8 water-cooled engine, sourced from Chrysler. Power is coursed through a four-wheel drive automatic-transmission, with a five-speed manual transfer case for the marine jet.

The basic CROC tips the scales at 2.5 metric tons, and can carry a payload of two metric tons, with suspension modification. CROC-X is a collaboration between civilian and military innovators, and was prototyped in a just six months.

The designers envision production models to be powered by any of a variety of engines, including diesels or hybrids. For sea-going CROCS, such as those to be used for coastal patrols, a marine engine would be preferable.

The CROC is also reportedly ideal for rescue operations, particularly during floods and other natural calamities. The designers also foresee applications in the tourism industry, as it can be used as in a combined 4x4 vehicle and jet boat adventure ride, taking off from popular beach resorts.

The CROC can carry 10 passengers, including driver and navigator, and can be equipped with mounting for various types of weapons, radio sets, external fuel tanks and other equipment.

Ballistic protection will be incorporated in future iterations. The prototype model already includes an anti-landmine feature—detachable chimneys above the front wheels to direct blasts upwards.

To provide quick egress, not to mention a touch of drama, the doors open gullwing style.

The vehicle is designed by OPCENTEC, a local company specializing in designing and prototyping unique technology solutions for defense, security and disaster response.

Source: http://business.inquirer.net/money/features/view/20110405-329550/PH-designed-amphibious-vehicle-set-to-be-launched

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Nakita ko isang actual unit sa inquirer, today's issue, parang crocodile nga talaga ang dating, mukhang tibay talaga and sa pictures, mukhang kaya nitong lumangoy sa dagat, aside sa ilog. Parang hybrid strada pick-up and hummer ang tsura neto na almost flat, capable of being mounted with rocket launcers, missiles, 50 caliber machine guns and can transport up to 15 people.

Ang ganda ng design, mukhang gawa ng isang foreign company. I really hope that our armed forces will consider this vehicle as part of the modernization plans, kasi bagay talaga para sa terrain ang geography ng pinas.

-SNPKLSDMBLDR-

April 6th, 2011, 06:19 AM

yan ba yung na post dito dati with picture na ginawa rin ng Mapua?

kyril

April 6th, 2011, 08:55 AM

@Askal82: Wow I never knew the Philippines is in that game. I then searched about it and found this video. The infiltration of Dagat Ahas: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2121249927073809164#

Simple Dude

April 6th, 2011, 09:21 AM

Simple Dude

April 6th, 2011, 09:26 AM

^^ we should be proud of that invention,... i also saw the CROC in a picture before and it was really great,... we are capable of making scary weapons but we just dont have enough funds for that,... 1st reason is, binubulsa ng mga heneral budget natin and kulang ang supporta ng Gobyerno,... instead of buying guns outside the country why dont we just buy Cebu made Guns like the Ferfrans,...

Kaltehitze

April 6th, 2011, 10:56 AM

yan ba yung na post dito dati with picture na ginawa rin ng Mapua?

Iba pa yan bro.

Yung CROC, ginawa ng OPCENTEC, a pinoy private company.

Yung sa mapua naman, ang ginawa nila was a robotic mine sweeper which can also be reconfigured to be a bomb diffuser as well.

Galing ng MAPUA at ng pinoy ano? sana masuportahan ito.

^^ we should be proud of that invention,... i also saw the CROC in a picture before and it was really great,... we are capable of making scary weapons but we just dont have enough funds for that,... 1st reason is, binubulsa ng mga heneral budget natin and kulang ang supporta ng Gobyerno,... instead of buying guns outside the country why dont we just buy Cebu made Guns like the Ferfrans,...

I agree with you sir 100%.

rawr

April 6th, 2011, 11:12 AM

shittttt talaga.ang panget ng eroplano na yan,wala talagang kwenta pumile ang mga kupal na heneral.^^:down:di naman nagkakalayo ang presyo ng eroplano na yan sa super tucano? ano ba yan ang pangetttttt.....grrrr bobo talaga ang mga heneral ng pilipinas.saka bat inuna pa nila ang mga trainer plane na yan kesa sa mga jets? mga putang ^^:weirdo: nila talaga dapat yong korean made na t-50 na lang ang binili nila matutuwa pa tayo.hay naku walang mapapala sa mga heneral ng pilipinas puro pagnanakaw lang....:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Actually the sf-260 is a GOOD BUY. Do you know how much a single Tucano approx. costs? $8-10 Million each lang naman - that's roughly 400 million petots each.

Alam mo ba kung magkano ang Sf-260's? P600 Million, for 18 pieces

In short malaki ang price difference. :bash:

and how can you even fly a kickass fighter jet if you can't even fly a trainer plane?
Trainer planes naman dapat talaga ang inuunang bilhin...later na ang mga fighter jets.

rawr

April 6th, 2011, 11:20 AM

^^ that's how incompetent our government is,... which reflects to our own country's reputation,... that oliver perry frigate is a damn kick ass,...

we still don't have the skills and experience required to operate those high tech weapons on oliver perry frigate

that's why we're acquiring the Hamilton - it serves to bridge that skills and knowledge gap with its size, propulsion, navigation and detection aids, hangar, and gun.

rawr

April 6th, 2011, 11:24 AM

putang:old: nakita nyo yong nagpapa picture sa hamilton? ang tatanda na.:lol::old:kasing luma na nila ang hamilton,saka tinanggal na ang mga armas,dapat naman e refurbish yan at lagyan ng mga modernong gamit?gastusan ng afp lagyan ng mga modernong armas pang depensa at attack pati na ri asw saka modernong helo para naman matuwa tayo at ang ating mga navy.bakit kaya ang AFP puro bulok,luma,donation,refurbish na lang ang kayang bilhin?:lol::gaah:

Isang tanong isang sagot:

Ano sa palagay mo ang sasabihin ng masa at mga militanteng grupo kapag nalaman nila na gumastos ang gobyerno ng Milyong Dolyar para sa gamit pampatay at digmaan?

Politics. PNoy should be smart playing with modernization and national sentiment. An expensive buy of military equipment will not help as we're experiencing hikes left and right.

We're doing it step by step and not by leaps as you want it to be. IMHO that's just right. Better slow than never at all

rawr

April 6th, 2011, 11:29 AM

Revisiting Ed Lingao's 2009 report:

CORRUPTION IN AFP
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Napakaliit na nga ng percentage na nakukuha ng DND para sa kanilang buidget, tapos ninanakaw pa ng mga buwayang walang puso.

Yung 100+ required signatures nayan para sa isang kontrata, di ba pwedeng paikliin?

this documentary was made in 2001 during Erap's war.....but it was only posted on his account on 2009

troops can now ask for replacement of their damaged kits and equipment (excluding weapons) without any paper work or delay....

arcabe

April 6th, 2011, 11:54 AM

we still don't have the skills and experience required to operate those high tech weapons on oliver perry frigate

that's why we're acquiring the Hamilton - it serves to bridge that skills and knowledge gap with its size, propulsion, navigation and detection aids, hangar, and gun.

oo nga naman, dahan-dahan tayo sa mga wish list natin, tingnan natin ang capability ng personnel. Kasi hindi biro ang mga equipments dyan..training pa rin sa equipments ang kailangan para mapakinabangan natin kung ano mang Military equipments ang bibilhin natin.

Simple Dude

April 6th, 2011, 12:05 PM

we still don't have the skills and experience required to operate those high tech weapons on oliver perry frigate

that's why we're acquiring the Hamilton - it serves to bridge that skills and knowledge gap with its size, propulsion, navigation and detection aids, hangar, and gun.

^^ hmmm at least we are starting it already,... hope that we could acquire hi-tech ships next year or at the 2nd quarter of this year... :okay:

how bwt some aircrafts?? i think our air force has been training to operate hi-tech war planes a long time ago already since they retired the F-5's...

rawr

April 6th, 2011, 12:19 PM

^^ hmmm at least we are starting it already,... hope that we could acquire hi-tech ships next year or at the 2nd quarter of this year... :okay:

how bwt some aircrafts?? i think our air force has been training to operate hi-tech war planes a long time ago already since they retired the F-5's...

heads up...:banana:

from Timawa.net

Phase 2 is apparently already underway. Projects under this phase include -- but not limited to -- the following that have already been discussed in the press, and on the forum in the past.

Government Arsenal 14-station bullet assembly machine

PAF (3 projects) Upgraded C-130H
Light lift aircraft
Special Missions Aircraft

PN (9 projects) Multi-Role Vessel
MPAC (additional)
Multi-Purpose Helicopter

PA (6 projects) 155mm howitzer
APC (additional)

CUP Phase 1 is winding down

first knight

April 6th, 2011, 12:48 PM

glenskies123

April 6th, 2011, 01:08 PM

firebar10

April 6th, 2011, 01:42 PM

Even without the Harpoon SSM and Phalanx CIWS, the Hamilton is quite an impressive looking ship, kinda remind me of the Spruance and Tico class of the USN in profile. I just wish that the Navy purchased 4 of these ships then invite defense contractors to rearm them with anti-ship and anti aircraft missiles and anti-submarine torpedoes.

Imagine if we have 4 re armed Hamiltons to be joined by 6 ex-USN Oliver Hazard Perry "long hull" class frigates we will have a credible navy that can compare with our neighbors...hehehehe

first knight

April 6th, 2011, 02:03 PM

http://web1.manilatimes.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/061103_spratlys-04_pasion.jpg
Spratly Islands -File Photo

http://web1.manilatimes.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/061103_spratlys-04_pasion.jpg

China wants to explore Spratly islands with Asean

BY BERNICE CAMILLE V. BAUZON REPORTER
Manila Times

BEIJING is looking at cooperating with the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean) in tapping natural resources of disputed areas in the South China Sea, the Chinese ambassador to Manila said.

At the sidelines of the first diplomatic reception hosted by Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario in Makati City (Metro Manila) late on Monday, Liu Jianchao disclosed that China is open to discuss the issue on the contested Spratly Islands with President Benigno Aquino 3rd during his first state visit to China.

President Aquino’s visit to China is tentatively scheduled for May this year.

“In particular, we can cooperate in this region [Asean] in exploring and developing the resources [there],” Liu said.

Asean groups Brunei Darussalam, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam.

“It’s going to be [a] wonderful arrangement for the time when we have dispute and, at the same time, [it will] benefit [the people] and also we can reduce the opportunity for source of all conflicts,” he added.

Liu said that China, like the Philippines, is also seeking a “well-measured settlement” of the Spratly issue.

“I am sure that we have the wisdom to keep the stability and peace in this region and at the same time, all of us will benefit from such a stable and peaceful region,” the Chinese envoy added.

The Spratly Islands in the South China Sea are a group of 750 islets, reefs and tolls that are all rich in oil and other minerals.

They are claimed in whole or in part by Brunei Darussalam, China, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam.

China and the Asean member-states, hoping to ensure a stable political situation in the South China Sea, signed the Declaration of the Code of Conduct in November 2002.

The non-binding edict is supposed to move up to a more binding code but sources said that Beijing was more inclined to conduct bilateral negotiations rather than multilateral dialogues.

China hopes to gain more leverage from bilateral talks, a source said.

Liu said that China will continue to strengthen its relationship with the Asean member-states and even with the United States if it will be beneficial for ensuring political stability in the South China Sea.

Beijing, in the past, decried the “intrusion” of the United States in the Spratly dispute.

It said that it does not welcome any third party in negotiations and that US presence will complicate the matter further.

arcabe

April 6th, 2011, 02:18 PM

ang galing naman China, bitag ba to?

http://web1.manilatimes.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/061103_spratlys-04_pasion.jpg
Spratly Islands -File Photo

http://web1.manilatimes.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/061103_spratlys-04_pasion.jpg

China wants to explore Spratly islands with Asean

BY BERNICE CAMILLE V. BAUZON REPORTER
Manila Times

BEIJING is looking at cooperating with the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean) in tapping natural resources of disputed areas in the South China Sea, the Chinese ambassador to Manila said.

At the sidelines of the first diplomatic reception hosted by Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario in Makati City (Metro Manila) late on Monday, Liu Jianchao disclosed that China is open to discuss the issue on the contested Spratly Islands with President Benigno Aquino 3rd during his first state visit to China.

President Aquino’s visit to China is tentatively scheduled for May this year.

“In particular, we can cooperate in this region [Asean] in exploring and developing the resources [there],” Liu said.

Asean groups Brunei Darussalam, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam.

“It’s going to be [a] wonderful arrangement for the time when we have dispute and, at the same time, [it will] benefit [the people] and also we can reduce the opportunity for source of all conflicts,” he added.

Liu said that China, like the Philippines, is also seeking a “well-measured settlement” of the Spratly issue.

“I am sure that we have the wisdom to keep the stability and peace in this region and at the same time, all of us will benefit from such a stable and peaceful region,” the Chinese envoy added.

The Spratly Islands in the South China Sea are a group of 750 islets, reefs and tolls that are all rich in oil and other minerals.

They are claimed in whole or in part by Brunei Darussalam, China, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam.

China and the Asean member-states, hoping to ensure a stable political situation in the South China Sea, signed the Declaration of the Code of Conduct in November 2002.

The non-binding edict is supposed to move up to a more binding code but sources said that Beijing was more inclined to conduct bilateral negotiations rather than multilateral dialogues.

China hopes to gain more leverage from bilateral talks, a source said.

Liu said that China will continue to strengthen its relationship with the Asean member-states and even with the United States if it will be beneficial for ensuring political stability in the South China Sea.

Beijing, in the past, decried the “intrusion” of the United States in the Spratly dispute.

It said that it does not welcome any third party in negotiations and that US presence will complicate the matter further.

Simple Dude

April 6th, 2011, 03:37 PM

ang galing naman China, bitag ba to?

^^ malamang,... that's why for me, i think we should not tolerate this,... sige, maghahanap sila ng oil walang problema,... basta siguraduin nilang di sila papasok sa territoryo natin kahit 1 inch. lang,... NO,NO,NO...

Simple Dude

April 6th, 2011, 03:39 PM

spearhead

April 6th, 2011, 03:56 PM

heads up...:banana:

from Timawa.net

Phase 2 is apparently already underway. Projects under this phase include -- but not limited to -- the following that have already been discussed in the press, and on the forum in the past.

Government Arsenal 14-station bullet assembly machine

PAF (3 projects) Upgraded C-130H
Light lift aircraft
Special Missions Aircraft

PN (9 projects) Multi-Role Vessel
MPAC (additional)
Multi-Purpose Helicopter

PA (6 projects) 155mm howitzer
APC (additional)

CUP Phase 1 is winding down

Thanks for the updates from timawa. :cheers:

from the Inquirer: A PHILIPPINE DEVELOPED AMPHIBIAN VEHICLE.

I hope bibilhin to ng Phil. Army para naman na meron tayong self-sustained defense industry. Isa pa, acquisition of this vehicles are in pesos not dollars, plus makakapag-bigay pa ng hanap buhay sa mga factory workers ng company na ito:

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PH-designed amphibious vehicle set to be launched

By Jason Ang
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 20:57:00 04/05/2011

MANILA, Philippines—The Philippines, as one of the world’s largest archipelagos, also has one of the longest combined coastlines on the planet. Patrolling them requires a well-trained military force and, just as importantly, an appropriate fleet of vehicles.

Enter the Coastal-Riverine-Overland Craft (CROC). The CROC is a locally developed, Filipino-designed amphibious vehicle that combines the abilities of an all-terrain vehicle and a high-speed jet boat. CROC reportedly incorporates lightweight but rugged materials and breakthrough hull design. It is designed to be equally adept at running on land and cruising in the water.

The CROC starts out as a 4x4 land vehicle and by retracting its wheels, transforms into a high-speed powerboat capable of navigating in deep and shallow water.

On land, the CROC is projected to be capable of speeds up to 120 km/h, and with a 200-liter dual fuel tank, could attain a range of 1000 km. Its specs include independent double-wishbone suspension at the front, and a rear torsion bar with coil-over-Eibach springs. It is even equipped with four-wheel steering, providing maneuverability in tight spaces such as the infamous U-turns along C5. It’s equipped with four-wheel disc brakes.

A centralized tire-pressure control system, like the Humvee’s, can be included as an option. A front winch and a portable winch will help in its varied missions, as will a steel-reinforced back rest, that, used as a bridge, will enable the truck to traverse a one-meter canal or trench.

Its optimum land speed could exceed 120 kph and with a 200-ltr dual tank, the range could be more than 1000 kms on paved roadways.

In the water, CROC’s tri-hull design and 23-foot length provide stability, and also lessen the shock transmitted to the interior. In the water, it is powered by a marine jet drive, allowing it to perform spins, slides and full stops in high-speed runs. Virtually unsinkable, the CROC stays afloat even if its compartments are filled with water. The four tires help provide buoyancy. Its design includes self-righting capability in the event that it flips over.

The model that will be on display at the Manila International Auto Show (MIAS), from April 7 to 10 at the World Trade Center, is dubbed the CROC-X, as it is an experimental model. Powering the CROC-X is a 5.2-liter Magnum V8 water-cooled engine, sourced from Chrysler. Power is coursed through a four-wheel drive automatic-transmission, with a five-speed manual transfer case for the marine jet.

The basic CROC tips the scales at 2.5 metric tons, and can carry a payload of two metric tons, with suspension modification. CROC-X is a collaboration between civilian and military innovators, and was prototyped in a just six months.

The designers envision production models to be powered by any of a variety of engines, including diesels or hybrids. For sea-going CROCS, such as those to be used for coastal patrols, a marine engine would be preferable.

The CROC is also reportedly ideal for rescue operations, particularly during floods and other natural calamities. The designers also foresee applications in the tourism industry, as it can be used as in a combined 4x4 vehicle and jet boat adventure ride, taking off from popular beach resorts.

The CROC can carry 10 passengers, including driver and navigator, and can be equipped with mounting for various types of weapons, radio sets, external fuel tanks and other equipment.

Ballistic protection will be incorporated in future iterations. The prototype model already includes an anti-landmine feature—detachable chimneys above the front wheels to direct blasts upwards.

To provide quick egress, not to mention a touch of drama, the doors open gullwing style.

The vehicle is designed by OPCENTEC, a local company specializing in designing and prototyping unique technology solutions for defense, security and disaster response.

Source: http://business.inquirer.net/money/features/view/20110405-329550/PH-designed-amphibious-vehicle-set-to-be-launched

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Nakita ko isang actual unit sa inquirer, today's issue, parang crocodile nga talaga ang dating, mukhang tibay talaga and sa pictures, mukhang kaya nitong lumangoy sa dagat, aside sa ilog. Parang hybrid strada pick-up and hummer ang tsura neto na almost flat, capable of being mounted with rocket launcers, missiles, 50 caliber machine guns and can transport up to 15 people.

Ang ganda ng design, mukhang gawa ng isang foreign company. I really hope that our armed forces will consider this vehicle as part of the modernization plans, kasi bagay talaga para sa terrain ang geography ng pinas.

This CROC IS A KICK ASS!!!! :drunk:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HIEaF5UjS1k/TZvOTma2Z3I/AAAAAAAAAOg/OajbPh6aRWk/s1600/2.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qbNzQHpurN4/TZvOMeoMiDI/AAAAAAAAAOY/ewfc1beoACU/s1600/1.jpg

rawr

April 6th, 2011, 04:03 PM

^^ a very good news my friend :okay: at least nasisimulan na,... :banana:

a special missions aircraft? Wow hihi :lol:

pero wala parin bang multi role fighters?? :cry:

phase 3 pa yun.....matagal pa...we'll have to buy some Lead In Fighter Trainers (LIFT) first, which is included on Phase 2:banana:

examples of LIFT aircraft on the market today are the T-50 and M-346.

2012 ang projected start date ng LIFT acquisition...so it's safe to say 2014-2015 pa ang hinihiling mong MRFs...given that funding will consistent. :)

Simple Dude

April 6th, 2011, 04:04 PM

^^ ASTIG yung Croc sana bilhin agad to para sa military like a hundreds of them!!! :okay:

Simple Dude

April 6th, 2011, 04:06 PM

phase 3 pa yun.....matagal pa...we'll have to buy some Lead In Fighter Trainers (LIFT) first, which is included on Phase 2:banana:

examples of LIFT aircraft on the market today are the T-50 and M-346.

2012 ang projected start date ng LIFT acquisition...so it's safe to say 2014-2015 pa ang hinihiling mong MRFs...given that funding will consistent. :)

^^ huhu matagal pa talaga, sana kahit simple f-16s lang muna like 8-12 of them basta mag karoon lang tayo niyan,... we also need it to patrol our spratley's or MIG-29's... :cry:

pi_malejana

April 6th, 2011, 04:42 PM

phase 3 pa yun.....matagal pa...we'll have to buy some Lead In Fighter Trainers (LIFT) first, which is included on Phase 2:banana:

examples of LIFT aircraft on the market today are the T-50 and M-346.

2012 ang projected start date ng LIFT acquisition...so it's safe to say 2014-2015 pa ang hinihiling mong MRFs...given that funding will consistent. :)

kung saka-sakali diba pwede ring gamitin yan sa COIN operations?? para pang augment lang dun sa mga s-211 natin...??

Simple Dude

April 6th, 2011, 05:37 PM

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spearhead

April 6th, 2011, 11:16 PM

^^Seen that many times. :)

Here's more photos of the PN C.R.O.C. from timawa forum, courtesy of ADROTH:
http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=25967.0
http://adroth.ph/AFP/pn/croc/croc2.jpg
http://adroth.ph/AFP/pn/croc/croc3.jpg

Askal82

April 7th, 2011, 12:42 AM

wow. Mukhang hi tech. :lol:

Christian_123

April 7th, 2011, 12:51 AM

^^Dyan mo makikita ang galing ng pinoy. Sayang at hinde sila tinatap ng mga kumag nating mga Heneral.

Askal82

April 7th, 2011, 12:54 AM

^^ Philippines is capable of producing its own military hardware kung tutuusin. We have a shipping industry that could make our gunboats, ships and submarines, tapos ito pa.

Pwera lang eroplano.

Christian_123

April 7th, 2011, 01:01 AM

^^Just allocate the funds better then we can buy technology and hardware from neighbouring countries, dismantle and research and build our own version. Pretty much like what the chinese did with soviet equipment.

Since we filipinos are a resourceful bunch, we can do interesting things.

rawr

April 7th, 2011, 04:45 AM

kung saka-sakali diba pwede ring gamitin yan sa COIN operations?? para pang augment lang dun sa mga s-211 natin...??

LIFT aircrafts are JETS. Yes we can use them for COIN ops but they're not the ideal type. High-Endurance propeller ac like the Super Tucano is more appropriate imho.

joseprito

April 7th, 2011, 04:56 AM

joseprito

April 7th, 2011, 04:57 AM

ang galing naman China, bitag ba to?
you got it right.

william :D

April 7th, 2011, 11:32 AM

PAYO NI TRILLANES: Huwag akong gayahin

MALOLOS CITY—Maging mabuting mamamayan kayo at huwag gayahin ang aking paghawak ng armas pagrerebelde.

Ito ang buod ng payo ni Senador Antonio Trillanes sa mga nagsipagtapos na magaa-aral ng College of Engineering ng Bulacan State University (BulSU) kung saan ay nagsilbi siyang panauhing tagapag salita noong Lunes, Abril 4.

“Find your part to make you relevant in society,” ani Trillanesat binigyang diin na, “you need not take up arms like what I did, but being a good citizen is a good start.”

Sa kabila ng mensaheng ito, ipinabatid din ng Senador na hindi siya nagsisisi sa pagiging bahagi ng mga sundalong Magdalo na nagsagawa ng Oakwood Mutiny noong 2003.

Sinabi niya na mga nagsipagtapos na mag-aaral na “don’t hold back anything and you will not regret anything, failure is only for those who never try.”

Iginiit pa niya na, “enjoy every road you take, savor every moment, try to find enjoyment in everything you do.”

Sa kanyang maikling talumpati, tatlong payo ang kanyang ihinatid sa mga mag-aaral: una ay “know yourself”; ikalawa, “pursue your dreams”: ay ikatlo, “enjoy the journey.”

Ayon sa senador, kung kilala ang sarili at alam ang kakayahan, ito ay susi sa tagumpay.

“Everyone has to know his or her role in society, but in order to partake in society, you should know what you want, discover what you want and what makes you happy,” aniya.

Habang patuloy naman ang kabataan sa paglalakabay, maraming tao ang makakasalamuha, ilan ay magbibigay ng payo at direksyon, ngunit sinabi niya na, ”do not let them control your way.”

Iginiit pa ng senador na hindi lahat ay magiging tanyag o magihing bilyonaryo na tulad nina Bill Gates ng Microsoft Corporation at Mark Zuckerberg ng Facebook.com, ngunit sinuman ay maaaring maging magaling at mahusay kung alam nila ang kanilang gusto sa buhay at kilala ang sarili.

Patungkol sa mga posibleng problema sa pagkakamit ng tagumpay, ipinayo niya sa mga nagsipagtapos na “never give up, have faith, if you fail to get a job in the first try, then try again.”

Sinab I pa niya na, “do not hesitate knowing that you are doing what you want and trying your best, liberates you from insecurities and complexities of life.”

Bilang isang dating opisyal ng Philippine Navy na nakulong sa pakikibahagi sa Oakwood Mutiny noong 2003, sinabi ni Trillanes na ang mga prinsipyong kanyang binanggit ay nagsilbing gabay niya sa buhay partikular na ng siya ay halos walan ng pag-asa matapos makulong.

Si Trillanes ay nagtapos ng kursong Electronics Communication Engineering sa Dela Salle University, pagkatapos ay pumasok sa Philippine Military Academy (PMA) noong 1991.

Pagkaraan ng apat na taon, nagtapos siya bilang kasapi ng top 1o sa PMA, nagsilbi sa Navy kung saan nakita niya ang kurapsyon sa gobyerno.

Nag-aral at nagtapos siya ng Master of Public Administration sa University of the Philippines kung saan ay binaggit niya sa kanyang thesis ang mga kurapsyon sa pamahalaan.

Noong 2003 ay naging bahagi siya ng Oakwood Mutiny, nakulong at noong 2007 ay kumandidato bilang Senador sa platapormang laban sa kurapsyon, at nagwagi sa kabila na siya ay nakakulong. (Dino balabo)

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/208021_211821468829233_177990525545661_862333_24357_n.jpg

http://www.facebook.com/notes/mabuhay-newspaper-bulacan/payo-ni-trillanes-huwag-akong-gayahin/207693905927214

Panzer_18

April 7th, 2011, 02:54 PM

http://www.flickr.com/photos/world_armies/4529108944/in/pool-693106@N22

Have a break, Have a kitkat... :D

A revolution can be neither made nor stopped. The only thing that can be done is for one of several of its children to give it a direction by dint of victories.
Napoleon Bonaparte

spearhead

April 7th, 2011, 04:05 PM

8 combat military helicopters are on their way and will be delivered by the end of the year, according to this report last month:
http://www.youtube.com/user/bingformento#p/u/14/ddBdHn_OhvQ

The report says it's "Nighthawk" choppers, so are these MD's?

spearhead

April 7th, 2011, 04:17 PM

Philippine designed airship, same people who designed the C.R.O.C.
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This can be used as unmanned surveillance aircraft or unmanned aerial vehicle. It is a natural stealth-capable UAV. This development can also be a potential useful equipment for commercial use.

What i can suggest, replace the engine's enclosure to fiber glass/plastic or any non metallic lightweight material to reduce more weight and heat signatures. But doing so may increase it's risk of being blown away by a high wind. Anyway, you'll never know when the rebels/terrorists would be able to acquire their own thermal imaging system, if ever. Use it at night operation.

A stealth-capable UAV can be used in and around spratleys with the Pag-asa island as it's main base.

Simple Dude

April 7th, 2011, 04:19 PM

^^ Nighthawks!!?? :eek: just Wow,... :cheers:

Simple Dude

April 7th, 2011, 04:23 PM

^^ Nighthawk helicopter

http://www.defense.gov/dodcmsshare/newsphoto/2006-11/hires_061120-N-8148A-014.jpg

sana chinook naman yung susunod,... :D

gaLj

April 7th, 2011, 04:52 PM

^^ Nighthawks!!?? :eek: just Wow,... :cheers:

PZL W-3 Sokols po yung parating :cheers:

spearhead

April 7th, 2011, 05:02 PM

^^ Nighthawk helicopter

http://www.defense.gov/dodcmsshare/newsphoto/2006-11/hires_061120-N-8148A-014.jpg

sana chinook naman yung susunod,... :D

PZL W-3 Sokols po yung parating :cheers:

So they call the Sokols as "nighthawks" too?

O baka ibig sabihin talaga ng reporter dun ay yung MH-60S "Knighthawk"?

So which one talaga? :lol:

gaLj

April 7th, 2011, 05:21 PM

So they call the Sokols as "nighthawks" too?

O baka ibig sabihin talaga ng reporter dun ay yung MH-60S "Knighthawk"?

So which one talaga? :lol:

I don't recall that the AFP ordered nighthawks (if such thing ever existed). We only have UH-60 Black Hawks in our inventory.
Maybe, OKOL was referring PZL W-3 Sokols that they procured last year. I believed it's capable of night/nocturnal operations that is why he called it nighthawks.

Nabartek

April 7th, 2011, 06:12 PM

^^ malamang,... that's why for me, i think we should not tolerate this,... sige, maghahanap sila ng oil walang problema,... basta siguraduin nilang di sila papasok sa territoryo natin kahit 1 inch. lang,... NO,NO,NO...

Mahirap na kapag petroRMB/Peetroyuan...lugi tayo....compared sa petrodollars sa middle east, tiba tiba mga arabo....:lol:

spearhead

April 7th, 2011, 07:16 PM

I don't recall that the AFP ordered nighthawks (if such thing ever existed). We only have UH-60 Black Hawks in our inventory.
Maybe, OKOL was referring PZL W-3 Sokols that they procured last year. I believed it's capable of night/nocturnal operations that is why he called it nighthawks.

Nabasa ko from timawa, polish sokols daw yung dadating, base model lang for troop transport, still can be armed with machineguns on the side doors.

Kasi yung video reporter nanglilito sa atin, sabi nya "nighthaws" or baka "knighthawks"... :lol:

Kaltehitze

April 8th, 2011, 05:02 AM

Nabasa ko from timawa, polish sokols daw yung dadating, base model lang for troop transport, still can be armed with machineguns on the side doors.

Kasi yung video reporter nanglilito sa atin, sabi nya "nighthaws" or baka "knighthawks"... :lol:

Di ba yung Sokol, ito yung mga made in poland na medyo inferior in capabalities, mura nga lang that's why puro third world countries ang bumibili? that's what I read from somewhere....

rawr

April 8th, 2011, 05:19 AM

Di ba yung Sokol, ito yung mga made in poland na medyo inferior in capabalities, mura nga lang that's why puro third world countries ang bumibili? that's what I read from somewhere....

It's still vastly superior to the Hueys we're currently using.

Take note that Poland is a formidable force in the EU and China is buying at least 300 Sokol derivatives..

Kaltehitze

April 8th, 2011, 06:03 AM

It's still vastly superior to the Hueys we're currently using.

Take note that Poland is a formidable force in the EU and China is buying at least 300 Sokol derivatives..

Right. I know that pards.

Let me qualify that I am not questioning the acquisition of the sokols, or that I am against it. I am just thinking out loud, wondering, kumbaga. I'm hoping that somebody might deny or confirm what I have posted in my prior post.

At any rate, the question of inferior quality here is not really so much about the capacities for combat of the sokol choppers, rather, its more of a safety issue.

Unfortunately, that article where I read about the safety issues was pubslihed a long time ago already. I remember a gov't official raised hackles about that, I just remembered it now.

rawr

April 8th, 2011, 06:41 AM

Right. I know that pards.

Let me qualify that I am not questioning the acquisition of the sokols, or that I am against it. I am just thinking out loud, wondering, kumbaga. I'm hoping that somebody might deny or confirm what I have posted in my prior post.

At any rate, the question of inferior quality here is not really so much about the capacities for combat of the sokol choppers, rather, its more of a safety issue.

Unfortunately, that article where I read about the safety issues was pubslihed a long time ago already. I remember a gov't official raised hackles about that, I just remembered it now.

We'll see. I haven't read any safety issues about the Sokol or any about its service in the Polish Military, but what i can assure you is that i would prefer to ride in the twin-engined Sokol than in the single-engined 40 year old Huey.

How about that article you were referring to? Was that posted on Timawa? would you mind posting it in here?

Simple Dude

April 8th, 2011, 07:08 AM

PZL W-3 Sokols po yung parating :cheers:

^^ cguro may W-3's din,... hehe

Simple Dude

April 8th, 2011, 07:12 AM

^^ hmmm whatever it is, mag antay nalang tayo coz i think for now nobody is really sure for anything,... even the reporter nagkakamali nga eh hehe we don't know, baka nag order din yung PAF ng addition choppers pero this time yung Nighthawks na not the W-3 Sokols,... :)

Simple Dude

April 8th, 2011, 07:42 AM

^^ W-3 sokol,... a cool video :okay:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZufex8XMo8&feature=grec_index

Kaltehitze

April 8th, 2011, 08:13 AM

We'll see. I haven't read any safety issues about the Sokol or any about its service in the Polish Military, but what i can assure you is that i would prefer to ride in the twin-engined Sokol than in the single-engined 40 year old Huey.

How about that article you were referring to? Was that posted on Timawa? would you mind posting it in here?

Matagal ko na nabasa yun eh, about a year ago, in a Philippine Daily Inquirer Hard copy.

Some government official was questioning the acquisition of the choppers because it is "inferior" daw and prone to breaking down mid-flight. After reading it, I didn't bother checking the veracity of the same and didn't post the article here.

By the way sir, ever heard of the 'Swidink' or 'Swidnik' helicopter? I think that was also looked into by our defense officials.

rawr

April 8th, 2011, 09:16 AM

Matagal ko na nabasa yun eh, about a year ago, in a Philippine Daily Inquirer Hard copy.

Some government official was questioning the acquisition of the choppers because it is "inferior" daw and prone to breaking down mid-flight. After reading it, I didn't bother checking the veracity of the same and didn't post the article here.

By the way sir, ever heard of the 'Swidink' or 'Swidnik' helicopter? I think that was also looked into by our defense officials.

PZL Swidnik is the name of the company that manufactures the Sokol :D

Kaltehitze

April 8th, 2011, 09:46 AM

PZL Swidnik is the name of the company that manufactures the Sokol :D

Ah ok. right, I'm referring to that one, made controversial by a congressman.

Anyway, Im hoping everything will turn out alright for the Sokol acquisition and operations as well as for the newly acquired italian made S-211 aero-marchettis subsonic fighter jets of our Air Force. It may not be the best in the market out there, but its a start and at least, hindi hand-me-downs, brand new talaga. :)

first knight

April 8th, 2011, 10:17 AM

Di ba yung Sokol, ito yung mga made in poland na medyo inferior in capabalities, mura nga lang that's why puro third world countries ang bumibili? that's what I read from somewhere....

Maybe the article quoted a corrupt general from the AFP who is a member of that gang that loves to buy junks from the US.

He got no kickback from the Polish armament deal.

kyril

April 8th, 2011, 01:35 PM

Here's some pics of CROC I took earlier at Manila International Auto Show 2011:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04100.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04101.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04102.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04103.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04104.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04105.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04106.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04108.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04109.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04110.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04111.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04112.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04113.jpg

spearhead

April 8th, 2011, 02:59 PM

Maybe the article quoted a corrupt general from the AFP who is a member of that gang that loves to buy junks from the US.

He got no kickback from the Polish armament deal.

This is probably true.

Anyway, i am not excited about this sokol CUH, the base model look crappy but atleast like the hamilton buy, its better than nothing at all.

So here another update of the CROC, photo courtesy of PDFF forumer Ascendancy:
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/215649_201119376587990_100000697864976_596102_6338548_n.jpg

spearhead

April 8th, 2011, 03:15 PM

^^close up look, more photos by noside from timawa:
http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l542/noside1221/autoshow/PICT4291.jpg
http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l542/noside1221/autoshow/PICT4288.jpg
http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=25967.45

I couldn't believe those timawans who were being a jerk, stupid, and too nosy on this development instead of just being appreciative, too much criticisms and questionings. Im just too glad im out of their hellish life there. I just feel so bad to those kids who are being ganged up.

Christian_123

April 8th, 2011, 09:18 PM

spearhead

April 8th, 2011, 10:18 PM

^^I agree. Mga kupal na nagpapataasan ng ihi, yabangan, at apakan ng paa kung sino mas nakakaraming sagasa sya ang bida! Dapat sa kanila malahian ng israelis at ng mga hudyo!

Askal82

April 9th, 2011, 02:24 AM

^^What do you expect? Filipinos are naturally born crabs....they hate progress and if there's progress, they shoot it down.

Anyway,thats a welcome addition to PN's inventory. Hope they can research and kink out the bugs more on this promising vehicle.

Tell them to make one if they can to show that what they're saying is superior than someone's and many of them will back out in a second.

Pure trash talk. :lol:

Nabartek

April 9th, 2011, 06:30 AM

NPA now called ‘CNN,’ not ‘communist terrorists’: AFP

abs-cbnNEWS.com
Posted at 03/28/2011 10:02 PM | Updated as of 03/28/2011 10:02 PM

MANILA, Philippines - The Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) said it has refrained calling the New People's Army (NPA) as a "communist terrorist" organization in deference to the ongoing efforts to revive peace talks with the communist-led National Democratic Front.

"At this time, the most important thing is for the peace talks to move forward, move on. This is part of our confidence-building," AFP spokesman Brig. Gen. Jose Mabanta told a press briefing in Camp Aguinaldo on Monday.

Mabanta said they would just refer to the communists as “CNN,” the acronym Communist Party of the Philippines-New People's Army-National Democratic Front (CPP-NPA-NDF).

"CNN is a very new acronym… We've started not to use communist terrorists because we would certainly like that these talks move forward and attain what has been set for (by the national leadership) as its objectives," said Mabanta.

Government officials and NDF representatives are set to meet in Oslo, Norway on Friday in preparation for the resumption of the formal talks from February 19 to February 25.

The formal talks bogged down in 2004 after US included the CPP and the NPA in its list of foreign terrorist organizations.

"Late last year, we decided not to use terrorist (to describe the NPA)," said Mabanta.

When asked if the AFP would go as far as exerting weight to delist the CPP and the NPA from the US and European Union’s lists of foreign terrorist organizations, Mabanta said this would depend on how the peace negotiations go.

Pressed if the CPP and the NPA are engaged in terrorist activities, Mabanta said: "They are involved in extortion and they are involved in limited execution (of people). I don't want to define it as that (terrorist activities) because there are plenty of factors that will determine if it is a terrorist act and I'm not in a position to (answer that)."

He refused to comment when asked if there is still a basis for US and EU to retain the foreign terrorist tag on the CPP and the NPA

Nevertheless, Mabanta said the AFP has relations with the US and EU. "We continue to have relations with them and we give inputs for them to come up with these pronouncements," he said.

Mabanta sought to clarify figures released by the AFP public affairs office nearly 2 weeks ago that pegged the strength of the NPA down to just 4,111 as of end-2010 from 4,702 as of end- 2009.

His office said its figures came from the office of the AFP deputy chief of staff for operations.

Quoting figures from the office of AFP deputy chief of staff for intelligence, Mabanta said the current strength of the NPA is 4,600 but maintained that this is still "much much better" than the rebels’ previous estimated strength of about 4,700.

"We'll stick to the 4,600 figure… which the most accurate," he said, adding that the figure was culled from intelligence units on the ground.

Mabanta also announced that the primary role in the conduct of internal security operations (ISO) in at least 15 provinces is due to be turned over to police and local government units this year.

"If I'm not mistaken, there are 15 provinces that are programmed to be handed over to the DILG [Department of Interior and Local Government]. It’s already on the planning board. I'm talking about basically the whole of Central Luzon, the whole of Region I and most of Region II,” he said.

The military has been handing over the lead role in the internal security operations to local government units as the rebels’ presence in the part of the country decline.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/03/28/11/npa-now-called-%E2%80%98cnn%E2%80%99-not-%E2%80%98communist-terrorists%E2%80%99-afp

Why is our government so soft on these people who terrorize the rural areas, bomb our infrastructure, and promote a culture of corruption and bribery?

firebar10

April 9th, 2011, 08:02 AM

ayus yung CROC ah..though I would like to comment on the wheels, they look small for a military vehicle, but I know that this was dictated by its amphibious requirements..so its fine. I believe they can developed a fully amphibious enclosed version of this vehicle with a turret above, for assault landing of troops on the beach. They can be a nice complement with AAV-7 which the Phil Marines is said to be acquiring via FMS.

Alinghi

April 9th, 2011, 09:05 AM

gentlemuscleman

April 9th, 2011, 11:01 AM

ayan ang tamang ginagawa ng ating mga inventor,matatalino naman ang mga pilipino wag lang gamitin sa kalokohan at pagnanakaw sa bayan.ayaw kasi natin paunlarin ang ating bayan sa pag gawa at pag bili ng ating sariling gawang pinoy,ng dahil sa mga putang innngrrrrrr na pulitiko at at general ng pilipinas napabayaan ang ating bayan,bibili ng junks at pagkaka kitaan pa ng mga kupal na heneral ng pilipinas.at magbebenta pa ng mga baril at bala sa mga rebelde.:cheers:

joseprito

April 9th, 2011, 11:21 AM

^^ Nighthawks!!?? :eek: just Wow,... :cheers:

mukhang desidido talaga ang gobyerno sa modernisasyon ng AFP. Sana nga Pnoy govt di ito drawing. Tagal na kasi eh ala pang nangyayari.

firebar10

April 9th, 2011, 11:27 AM

ah ok..overall impressive ang CROC you can mount different types of weapons on it and has different use on the field..

coldfire083

April 9th, 2011, 11:53 AM

Hindi kaya lumubog ang CROC kapag meron ng mga weapons sa likod?

spearhead

April 9th, 2011, 03:08 PM

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/03/28/11/npa-now-called-%E2%80%98cnn%E2%80%99-not-%E2%80%98communist-terrorists%E2%80%99-afp

Why is our government so soft on these people who terrorize the rural areas, bomb our infrastructure, and promote a culture of corruption and bribery?

I know. They sounds like giving in to the CPP.

But if this is just a part of the government's diplomatic approach then why not support it. If it doesnt work, i hope with all these new weaponries coming in the AFP inventory, be used to finally destroy the communism in the philippines.

Hindi kaya lumubog ang CROC kapag meron ng mga weapons sa likod?

The CROC is still in developmental stage, more trials are still being done atleast to what i heard. I also heard that it might even end up like what happened to the MX-8, a general's project that went in a limbo after he retired from service. He was accused of redirecting part of modernization funds to stimulate his own project that received no government support.

So let's all just hope that the CROC is actually a PN project with all support from the government.

Nabartek

April 9th, 2011, 08:34 PM

I know. They sounds like giving in to the CPP.

But if this is just a part of the government's diplomatic approach then why not support it. If it doesnt work, i hope with all these new weaponries coming in the AFP inventory, be used to finally destroy the communism in the philippines.

The CROC is still in developmental stage, more trials are still being done atleast to what i heard. I also heard that it might even end up like what happened to the MX-8, a general's project that went in a limbo after he retired from service. He was accused of redirecting part of modernization funds to stimulate his own project that received no government support.

So let's all just hope that the CROC is actually a PN project with all support from the government.

My worry about this is it gives the commies more power to overthrow our democratic government as they have been trying for more than 50 years. I am for the amnesty of those who want to "come back" but the government should not be soft on the leaders who really wish to take over than reform. The Communist Party has always been stabbing the people in the back. You see, they have the 'revolutionary tax' and they implement a culture of bribery like having a "permit to win". Personally, I think that corruption is more rampant within the Communist party than in our government.

The commies even managed to take advantage of our legal system through the "partylist", using out tax money to fund terrorism in the countryside and overthrow our democratic government (and probably support Joma's lifestyle in the Netherlands)

side comment: I hope they don't put an S in the CROC :lol:

Nabartek

April 9th, 2011, 08:42 PM

US State Department blames killings in Phl on security forces
By Jose Katigbak , STAR Washington Bureau (The Philippine Star) Updated April 10, 2011 12:00 AM Comments (1)

WASHINGTON – As many soldiers and police were killed last year in the Philippines as communist rebels and Muslim insurgents, the US State Department said.

In its 2010 Human Rights report on the Philippines released on Friday, the State Department blamed security forces and anti-government guerrillas for a spate of arbitrary and unlawful killings during the year.

Quoting military sources, it said 176 members of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) were killed in fighting with rebel and terrorist groups during the year, 166 by the New People’s Army (NPA) and 10 by Abu Sayyaf rebels in Mindanao.

In the same period, soldiers killed 131 insurgents – 97 suspected NPA members, 23 Abu Sayyaf members, and 11 Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) members.

Insurgents killed 11 police officers during the year, and the Philippine National Police (PNP) claimed 44 NPA insurgents were killed in police operations around the country.

Arbitrary and unexplained killings by elements of the security services and political killings, including killings of journalists, by a variety of state and non-state actors continued to be serious problems, the report said.

In addition to killing soldiers and police officers in armed encounters, rogue elements of the separatist MILF and terrorist Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG), Jemaah Islamiya, and NPA – the military wing of the Communist Party – killed local government officials and other civilians.

These same groups also were linked to bombings that caused civilian casualties and kidnappings for ransom.

The report said at least 23 people – including five businessmen, three soldiers, three farmers, three loggers, two teachers, and one militia member – were reportedly abducted by ASG, NPA, and other kidnap-for-ransom groups in Compostela province, Basilan, Cotobato City, and the Zamboanga Peninsula during the year.

Five were killed and 12 were either rescued or released; six remained missing or captive.

During the year, the MILF, NPA and ASG targeted children for recruitment in combat or auxiliary roles.

The State Department noted that last May the United Nations identified the ASG, NPA, and MILF as among the world’s “persistent violators of children in armed conflicts.”

The report said the Commission on Human Rights (CHR), an independent government agency, investigated 53 new complaints of politically motivated killings involving 67 victims during the year.

The CHR suspected PNP and AFP personnel in some killings of leftist activists operating in rural areas. Suspects in other cases were ordinary citizens or remained unknown.

The PNP’s Task Force Usig (TFU), responsible for monitoring unexplained killings, has recorded 161 cases of killings since 2001.

The TFU, which uses different criteria than the CHR, identified nine new cases of unexplained killings during the year.

The report said journalism continues to be a dangerous profession in the Philippines.

The Center for Media Freedom and Responsibility (CMFR) reported eight journalists killed during the year, four in the line of duty. The TFU, which also tracks killings of media practitioners, classified two of these cases as work-related killings.

The TFU has recorded 39 media practitioners slain in work-related killings since 2001; this total does not include the 31 media members killed in the Maguindanao massacre, which was monitored by a special task force.

The report said human rights organizations frequently criticized the government for failing to protect journalists. The National Union of Journalists of the Philippines accused the police and the government of failing to investigate adequately these killings and of subjecting journalists to harassment and surveillance.

In some situations it was difficult to discern if violence against journalists was carried out in retribution for their profession or if these journalists were the victims of random crime, the report added.

The 2010 report is the 35th in a series to provide awareness of the human rights situation around the world. The data is provided to the US Congress for its funding and policy decisions.

“Here at the State Department Human Rights is a priority 365 days a year,” said Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Institutional deficiencies

In the same report, it was also cited that the 132,577-member PNP has deep-rooted institutional deficiencies and suffered from a widely held and accurate public perception that corruption remained a problem in the agency.

The report said that “the PNP’s Internal Affairs Service remained largely ineffective.”

The Department of Interior and Local Government (DILG) directs the PNP, which is responsible for law enforcement and urban counter-terrorism. However, governors, mayors, and other local officials have considerable influence over local police units.

“Members of the PNP were regularly accused of torture, soliciting bribes, and other illegal acts. Efforts were underway to reform and professionalize the institution through improved training, expanded community outreach, and pay raises,” the report said.

In 2010, the report cited 69 administrative cases filed against 97 members of the police force, including administrative officials and police officers, for various human rights violations. Out of the 69 cases filed, 61 were resolved and eight were undergoing summary proceedings.

The PNP dismissed 12 persons in connection with these cases. The deputy ombudsman for the military received 67 cases enforcement officers from January to July, the majority of which were filed against low-ranking police and military officials. All of the cases were under investigation by the Deputy Ombudsman’s Office as of August.

Likewise, there were alleged instances of rape perpetrated by PNP officials but “unlike in previous years, there were no anecdotal reports of an increase in rape and sexual abuse charges filed against officers,” it said.

The report said CHR observed that senior PNP officials appeared receptive to respecting the human rights of detainees, but rank-and-file awareness of detainee rights remained inadequate.

The Commission on Appointments determines whether senior military officers selected for promotion have a history of human rights violations and solicits input from the CHR and other agencies through background investigations. – With Pia Lee-Brago

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=674802&publicationSubCategoryId=63

How come the CHR aren't investigating the Human rights violations of our soldiers, police and others when it is done by the leftists and Abu Sayaff and MILF? The report said the MILF take children! Why don't we hear much from the CHR? We only hear that they always suspect the PNP and AFP? When a soldier or captive is beheaded we don't hear outrage from the CHR. When a leftists is reported missing (probably joined the NPA in the mountains), it is big news?

spearhead

April 10th, 2011, 12:03 AM

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=674802&publicationSubCategoryId=63

How come the CHR aren't investigating the Human rights violations of our soldiers, police and others when it is done by the leftists and Abu Sayaff and MILF? The report said the MILF take children! Why don't we hear much from the CHR? We only hear that they always suspect the PNP and AFP? When a soldier or captive is beheaded we don't hear outrage from the CHR. When a leftists is reported missing (probably joined the NPA in the mountains), it is big news?

My worry about this is it gives the commies more power to overthrow our democratic government as they have been trying for more than 50 years. I am for the amnesty of those who want to "come back" but the government should not be soft on the leaders who really wish to take over than reform. The Communist Party has always been stabbing the people in the back. You see, they have the 'revolutionary tax' and they implement a culture of bribery like having a "permit to win". Personally, I think that corruption is more rampant within the Communist party than in our government.

The commies even managed to take advantage of our legal system through the "partylist", using out tax money to fund terrorism in the countryside and overthrow our democratic government (and probably support Joma's lifestyle in the Netherlands)

side comment: I hope they don't put an S in the CROC :lol:

Dipende nalang ito sa presidente natin kung pano sya makikipag deal sa mga kalaban ng bansa. He knows it kung gaano ka kurap sa CPP din, kaya nga gayahan nalang ang mga tao ngayon sa gobyerno tapos magtuturuan pa sila kung sino ang mas pinakang kurap tsk. :ohno:

ANYWAY, more photos of CROC courtesy of timawa forumer kyril, (thank you whoever you are! :cheers: ):

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04100.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04103.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04104.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04105.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04106.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04108.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04109.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04110.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/destination_blackout/DSC04111.jpg

kalbongdad

April 10th, 2011, 03:22 PM

mukhang desidido talaga ang gobyerno sa modernisasyon ng AFP. Sana nga Pnoy govt di ito drawing. Tagal na kasi eh ala pang nangyayari.

just so you know .....panahon pa yan ni little evil gloria....do nothing pnoy has nothing to do with that project.....:)

gaLj

April 10th, 2011, 04:03 PM

just so you know .....panahon pa yan ni little evil gloria....do nothing pnoy has nothing to do with that project.....:)

Pnoy apologist dislikes this post :lol:

Seriously, since Pnoy seated in power, there are no major acquisitions for our armed forces. I mean, projects/acquisition that transpired during his term.

coldfire083

April 10th, 2011, 07:49 PM

Meron naman. Yung matandang 46 yrs old na Hamilton class na inalis pa mga ibang gamit.

Remolino

April 10th, 2011, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Nabartek
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/03...s%E2%80%99-afp

Why is our government so soft on these people who terrorize the rural areas, bomb our infrastructure, and promote a culture of corruption and bribery?

I know. They sounds like giving in to the CPP.

But if this is just a part of the government's diplomatic approach then why not support it. If it doesnt work, i hope with all these new weaponries coming in the AFP inventory, be used to finally destroy the communism in the philippines.

The Philippines problems with the Communist fighters seems to parallel Colombias fight with Communist fighters. They say the Colombian govt. has been gaining against them.

There would be no communist fighters if poverty was low or non-existant. So the answer to the communist fighters is to get rid of poverty. In the Philippines 32% live below the poverty level. In Colombia 45% live below the poverty level. But they say overall poverty is 62% in Colombia not sure for the Philippines. Strategically located, mineral and agricultural rich nations like the Philippines and Colombia should not have this kind of poverty. Both nations should also be regional powers.

joseprito

April 11th, 2011, 02:49 AM

Meron naman. Yung matandang 46 yrs old na Hamilton class na inalis pa mga ibang gamit.

:lol::lol::lol:

joseprito

April 11th, 2011, 02:52 AM

kalbongdad

April 11th, 2011, 03:22 AM

agree ako...pero parang maliit ang gulong....ganda ng concept nya...ha...at yung design kick-ass dating...

waraywaray architect

April 11th, 2011, 04:34 AM

agree ako...pero parang maliit ang gulong....ganda ng concept nya...ha...at yung design kick-ass dating...

yup... not in proportion.

Simple Dude

April 11th, 2011, 06:41 AM

^^ kaya nga CROC eh, di ba yung buwaya maliit yung paa?? hehe

gaLj

April 11th, 2011, 06:48 AM

^^ kaya nga CROC eh, di ba yung buwaya maliit yung paa?? hehe

CROCodiles = AFP Generals

firebar10

April 11th, 2011, 07:13 AM

what ever happened dun sa Kalakian APC na dinidevelop ng isa ring private company as a design proposal for the AFP?? anybody knows what happened to it?

kalbongdad

April 11th, 2011, 09:57 AM

ginagamit pa rin sya....pero hindi na mass produce....itong croc ok yung parnership ng navy at mapua....maganda ang bunga....pati pala yung muonted machine gun na remote controlled....isinama.....navy mapua cooperation din yan......nice nice nice....ulitin ko lang ha....walang kinalaman si do nothing pnoy sa project na yan....panahon pa yan ni nunal....:lol:

spearhead

April 11th, 2011, 03:11 PM

CROCodiles = AFP Generals

^^ kaya nga CROC eh, di ba yung buwaya maliit yung paa?? hehe

Pareho tayong iniisip hahaha! Pero pwede pa nila palitan sana yung gulong na mas malaki pero baka kasi di na nagkakasya sa loob ng compartment, kasi natutupi yung mga gulong eh.

ginagamit pa rin sya....pero hindi na mass produce....itong croc ok yung parnership ng navy at mapua....maganda ang bunga....pati pala yung muonted machine gun na remote controlled....isinama.....navy mapua cooperation din yan......nice nice nice....ulitin ko lang ha....walang kinalaman si do nothing pnoy sa project na yan....panahon pa yan ni nunal....:lol:

Are you talking about that modified V150 "Kalakian"? That must be it, wala na ata yun naka display nalang kasama yung "Hari Digma".

The Philippines problems with the Communist fighters seems to parallel Colombias fight with Communist fighters. They say the Colombian govt. has been gaining against them.

There would be no communist fighters if poverty was low or non-existant. So the answer to the communist fighters is to get rid of poverty. In the Philippines 32% live below the poverty level. In Colombia 45% live below the poverty level. But they say overall poverty is 62% in Colombia not sure for the Philippines. Strategically located, mineral and agricultural rich nations like the Philippines and Colombia should not have this kind of poverty. Both nations should also be regional powers.

According to this estimates:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_pop_bel_pov_lin-economy-population-below-poverty-line

http://www.indexmundi.com/philippines/population_below_poverty_line.html

Colombia is actually has 49.2% population who lives below poverty line (2005), and is 29th of the world. So if you're saying 62%, then they didnt get any better. Perhaps their revenues mostly goes to the military budget instead of goin to economy.

Meanwhile philippines is ranked at 70th with 30% (2003), and 32.9% (2006). I believe though it got worst a bit last year, but then those surveyed must be the residents around metro manila where most of the squatters and homeless lives (people from other provinces who flocked to manila to look for jobs and ended up unemployed), and southern mindanao island where most of the insurgency is goin on with all those military operations against terrrorrism as well.

I agree though that philippines should have been one of the regional powerhouse in asia together with japan, china, india, south korea, taiwan, singapore, thailand, malaysia, and indonesia, ONLY if the philippine government was properly managed for the last 30 years, and if without the insurgency.

ok ah. 'anyone knows magkano ang budget ng bawat isa? Overall, Ok ang design. Astig tignan.

Taga timawa ka bat di mo alam hehe....

Kintoy

April 11th, 2011, 04:20 PM

they say kids these days would rather rant on Facebook and Twitter than go to the mountains. CCP/NPA is now obsolete.

kalbongdad

April 11th, 2011, 04:22 PM

they say kids these days would rather rant on Facebook and Twitter than go to the mountains. CCP/NPA is now obsolete.

tagal na.....ba't nandyan ka pa? baba na...:lol:

spearhead

April 11th, 2011, 06:06 PM

they say kids these days would rather rant on Facebook and Twitter than go to the mountains. CCP/NPA is now obsolete.

huli ka na sa balita, wala ka na bang makuhang signal sa bundok nyo hahaha? jawk! :lol:

Remolino

April 12th, 2011, 02:10 AM

Colombia is actually has 49.2% population who lives below poverty line (2005), and is 29th of the world. So if you're saying 62%, then they didnt get any better. Perhaps their revenues mostly goes to the military budget instead of goin to economy.

This from August 2010
La pobreza en Colombia supera el 62%

Translation - Poverty in Colombia surpasses 62%. 20 million live in poverty while 8 million have it much harder. So the total is 28 million. They say since 2002 Poverty fluctuated between 53% and 57%. But last year it went over 60%. Colombia over the years has made budget cuts in social spending while increasing the military budget which surpasses 14% of the total budget.

This the article but it is in Spanish - http://www.tercerainformacion.es/spip.php?article13496

le Reine

April 12th, 2011, 03:40 PM

^^14% of the budget for defense? WTF?

"ZukiChirO"

April 12th, 2011, 07:12 PM

Army to upgrade 12 Scorpion tanks
abs-cbnNEWS.com
Posted at 04/13/2011 12:34 AM | Updated as of 04/13/2011 12:34 AM

MANILA, Philippines - The Philippine Army will upgrade 12 of its aging Scorpion tanks for around P200 million as part of the command's capability upgrade program.

Army spokesman Col. Antonio Parlade said a project management team was formed last week to look for possible proponents for the project, after getting the go signal from the Department of National Defense.

The military establishment planned to upgrade the tanks, which are detailed with the Army's Light Armor Division several years ago, but this was shelved by the government due to alleged irregularities in the project.

"It was formed last week when a meeting was called to discuss the upgrade projects," said Parlade of the Project Management Team. "The DND [Department of National Defense] gave the go-signal (to proceed with the project)."

Parlade said some of the proponents being looked into proposed to install new diesel engines in the 12 operational tanks and provide new engines to 6 more Scorpions that are not working because they had no engine.

“So it will be 18 (upgraded tanks) for the same budget," he said.

He added that the tanks’ engines, which are currently gasoline powered, need to be upgraded. "They've reached their maximum life," he said.

"These are important, especially in our (operations), in Central Mindanao," said Parlade.

The military is upgrading its capabilities by buying armaments and equipment and upgrading some assets in the fight against internal security threats.

Apart from the Scorpion tanks, the Army's Light Armor Division maintains a number of other vehicles like armored infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, V-150s, and Simbas.

A Scorpion tank, which has a maximum speed of 72 kilometers per hour and weighs 7,875 kilograms, is equipped with a main gun and a 7.62 mm machine gun.

Arvor

April 13th, 2011, 12:48 AM

MANILA, Philippines - The Philippine Army will upgrade 12 of its aging Scorpion tanks for around P200 million as part of the command's capability upgrade program.

This is rather pointless Scorpions are mainly meant for recon and not suited for combat i suppose the rebels aren't that well armed so its somewhat ok, but it still would be a waste of funds to upgrade or refit them and would increasingly become costly to maintain and keep going as they age even further, these vehicles have been phased out in the west it would be better to procure new wheeled vehicles .

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WASHINGTON – China's first aircraft carrier could begin sea trials as early as this summer and its deployment would significantly change the perception of the balance of power in the region, the chief of U.S. forces in the Pacific said Tuesday.

China bought the vessel from Ukraine more than a decade ago, and it is viewed as emblematic of the communist state's ambition to be a military power that can challenge America's decades-long supremacy in the west Pacific. China's state news agency this month carried photos of the carrier in what it said was the final stages of reconstruction.

"Based on the feedback from our partners and allies in the Pacific, I think the change in perception by the region will be significant," Adm. Robert Willard told the Senate Armed Services Committee. Willard also noted the "remarkable growth" of China's military.

But he viewed that impact as largely symbolic, as there would be a long period of training, development and exercises before the carrier becomes operational.

The U.S. Pacific Command led by Willard has five aircraft carrier strike groups, which it has used to project American power across a region key to global trade. However, China's military build-up, which includes the rapid development of ballistic missiles and cyber warfare capabilities, has spooked its neighbors and could potentially crimp the U.S. forces' freedom to operate.

Willard said that China has increased and improved its fleet of both conventional and nuclear-powered submarines, which had prompted a proliferation of submarines in the Asia-Pacific. He mentioned Malaysia, Vietnam, Indonesia and Australia as countries that have either acquired or signaled their intention to acquire or expand their submarine fleets.

However, Willard said that China's navy has been less aggressive in its operations this year than last. He described that as a "retrenchment" by China following U.S. statements that it has a national interest in the peaceful resolution of territorial disputes in the South China Sea — where China's claims of sovereignty are challenged by several countries in southeast Asia.

"While we continue to experience their shadowing of some of our ships and so forth that are operating in these waters, we have not seen the same level of assertiveness in 2011 that we witnessed in 2010," he said. Willard also attributed this to the U.S. and China resuming military-to-military relations. The ties had been suspended over U.S. arms sales to Taiwan.

Gen. Walter Sharp, commander of U.S. forces in South Korea, said American troops should remain on the volatile Korean peninsula for the "foreseeable future" because of the threat posed by North Korea. He said he did not see North Korean leader Kim Jong Il giving up his nuclear capability as he believes it vital for his regime's survival.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110412/ap_on_re_us/us_us_china_military;_ylt=Aoyvs7aTBjPr8RVZ6ejYwbSs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNvMTVsb2ZhBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTEwNDEyL3VzX3VzX2NoaW5hX21pbGl0YXJ5BGNjb2RlA21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb3MDNQRwb3MDMgRwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX2hlYWRsaW5lX2xpc3QEc2xrA3VzY2hpbmFzMXN0YQ--

RonnieR

April 13th, 2011, 03:53 AM

Pareho tayong iniisip hahaha! Pero pwede pa nila palitan sana yung gulong na mas malaki pero baka kasi di na nagkakasya sa loob ng compartment, kasi natutupi yung mga gulong eh.

Are you talking about that modified V150 "Kalakian"? That must be it, wala na ata yun naka display nalang kasama yung "Hari Digma".

According to this estimates:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_pop_bel_pov_lin-economy-population-below-poverty-line

http://www.indexmundi.com/philippines/population_below_poverty_line.html

Colombia is actually has 49.2% population who lives below poverty line (2005), and is 29th of the world. So if you're saying 62%, then they didnt get any better. Perhaps their revenues mostly goes to the military budget instead of goin to economy.

Meanwhile philippines is ranked at 70th with 30% (2003), and 32.9% (2006). I believe though it got worst a bit last year, but then those surveyed must be the residents around metro manila where most of the squatters and homeless lives (people from other provinces who flocked to manila to look for jobs and ended up unemployed), and southern mindanao island where most of the insurgency is goin on with all those military operations against terrrorrism as well.

I agree though that philippines should have been one of the regional powerhouse in asia together with japan, china, india, south korea, taiwan, singapore, thailand, malaysia, and indonesia, ONLY if the philippine government was properly managed for the last 30 years, and if without the insurgency.

Taga timawa ka bat di mo alam hehe....

Official poverty rate is 1 out of 4 Filipinos or 26% live below the poverty line in PH - NCSB 2009.

"While there was a decrease in the poverty incidence among families from 2006 to 2009, in terms of poverty incidence among population, there was a very slight increase from 26.4% in 2006 to 26.5% in 2009."

Source: http://www.nscb.gov.ph/pressreleases/2011/PR-22011-SS2-01_pov2009.asp

Filipino contact of militant group caught
Wednesday, 13 April 2011 02:09

MANILA: The Philippine army chief says a Filipino militant who is a local contact of the Southeast Asian Jemaah Islamiyah militant network has been arrested in southern Sultan Kudarat province.

Lt-General Arturo Ortiz said troops yesterday arrested Abi Pamanay, a member of a special operations unit of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front and a senior associate of Abdul Basit Usman.

Usman is a Filipino bomb-making expert with links to Jemaah Islamiyah and Philippine-based Abu Sayyaf extremists. The United States has offered a $1m reward for information leading to the conviction of Usman, a suspect in deadly bombings.

Intelligence officials say Muslim rebels and the Abu Sayyaf have ties with the Jemaah Islamiyah.
http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/s.-asia/philippines/148770-filipino-contact-of-militant-group-caught.html

RonnieR

April 13th, 2011, 03:59 AM

Computer-savvy rebels in Philippines wary of social sites

Police and military in Philippines keeping track of communist activity

By Barbara Mae Dacanay, Bureau Chief
Published: 00:00 April 13, 2011
Gulf News

Manila: Top communist leader A. Faye (not her real name) told her brothers and sisters not to post their reunion pictures on Facebook and Twitter after the event at a posh condominium in Global Bonifacio City.

"My partner and I are computer literate, but we are wary of social networking sites. The military and the police have been tracking many of us through the internet," Faye said.

Despite a prize on her head, she brazenly attended the wedding of her Canada-based niece who came home to suburban Quezon City to get married to her Canada-based Filipino boyfriend.

Some relatives who attended the party were also military men. "Parties and family reunions are neutral grounds for all of us," explained a first cousin who was once with the military and whose son is now in the Army in the southern Philippines.

Surprisingly, Faye has a Facebook account where her birthday was announced last December.

Blogs on various issues

At the party, her laptop showed off several glowing military operations of the communist New People's Army against the military and police in the south.

"I carry my laptop around to be connected," she explained, adding that every comrade is computer savvy with successful blogs meant to raise social and political consciousness among the young.

The 40-year-old Communist Party of the Philippines and its military arm, the New People's Army (CPP-NPA) has a "very old" website. The Moro Islamic Liberation Front has also a "mature" website.

The Communist National Democratic Front (CPP-NPA's negotiator) and the MILF have been holding on and off peace talks with the Philippine government since 1992 and 1997, respectively.

Meanwhile, the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) claimed that social networking sites have made young people less receptive to protest rallies and from being recruited to rebel movements.

"Through these sites, people catch up with current events and express their opinions and views on critical issues in a peaceful and democratic manner, rather than going out in the streets to protest or join the leftist armed rebels in the countryside," Colonel Arnulfo Marcelo Burgos Jr, chief of the Public Affairs Office of the military, said.

The AFP, however, embraced Facebook and Twitter only last year. "Our followers have increased," boasted Burgos, adding that security institutions have been reaching out to the young, and hopefully to the hard-core rebels.
http://gulfnews.com/news/world/philippines/computer-savvy-rebels-in-philippines-wary-of-social-sites-1.791150

joseprito

April 13th, 2011, 04:58 AM

The Philippines problems with the Communist fighters seems to parallel Colombias fight with Communist fighters. They say the Colombian govt. has been gaining against them.

There would be no communist fighters if poverty was low or non-existant. So the answer to the communist fighters is to get rid of poverty. In the Philippines 32% live below the poverty level. In Colombia 45% live below the poverty level. But they say overall poverty is 62% in Colombia not sure for the Philippines. Strategically located, mineral and agricultural rich nations like the Philippines and Colombia should not have this kind of poverty. Both nations should also be regional powers.

Yan ang dahilan kaya di umaangat ang Pinas dyan sa mga komunista at mga militante na grupo eh na wala ng ginawa kundi magsunog ng bandila at magprotesta. Kailan pa ba tayo magkakaisa? Ang daming faction lalo na dyan sa Mdanao. Naku po!

spearhead

April 13th, 2011, 05:05 AM

^^maraming kupal na komunista talaga na hindi na natuto... ngayon mga inuuto nila eh yang mga young filipinos sa mga colleges and universities, pati mga farmers at mga squatters na galit na sa gobyerno dati pa tsk... :no:

spearhead

April 13th, 2011, 05:06 AM

^^Maraming taga timawan and PDFF na mga komunista nagiispiya.

I know a couple of filipino immigrants here who are members of NPA movements and are supporting their comrades back home.

Matagal ko na silang iniwasan, yung lalake pa nga parang devil-possessed kung makausap mo lagi, napaka bayolente ng utak nya grabe, gusto kong bugbugin sya sa totoo lang eh kaya lang meron nakong mga anak kaya takot din akong mainvolved, tapos nandito pa ako sa canada. Patitira ko nalang sya siguro sa mga vietnamese gangsters na kakilala ko kung di magbago yung unggoy nayun hahahaha :lol:

This from August 2010

Translation - Poverty in Colombia surpasses 62%. 20 million live in poverty while 8 million have it much harder. So the total is 28 million. They say since 2002 Poverty fluctuated between 53% and 57%. But last year it went over 60%. Colombia over the years has made budget cuts in social spending while increasing the military budget which surpasses 14% of the total budget.

This the article but it is in Spanish - http://www.tercerainformacion.es/spip.php?article13496

And so indeed. Hmm iteresting... Thanks for the follow up and the link. :cheers:

This is rather pointless Scorpions are mainly meant for recon and not suited for combat i suppose the rebels aren't that well armed so its somewhat ok, but it still would be a waste of funds to upgrade or refit them and would increasingly become costly to maintain and keep going as they age even further, these vehicles have been phased out in the west it would be better to procure new wheeled vehicles .

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They are still pretty much halfway in improving the AFP's capabilities for internal defense, still way before goin to external defense. So it's ok, i dont really see any problem with it atleast meron silang ginagawa sa mga luma nilang kagamitan at di nasasayang. Ofcourse syempre mas magandang idea yung bumili na sila ng mga bago pero anong magagawa din nila, ninakaw na mga pera kasi na pangmodernize sana nun pa kaya yan napapala tuloy.

Simple Dude

April 13th, 2011, 03:12 PM

^^ instead of Scorpions,... sana ito nalang

French AMX-1OP.
weighting 14.2 tons

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/AMX-10-IMG_1468.jpg/800px-AMX-10-IMG_1468.jpg

and can even be upgraded like this Singaporean AMX-10PPAC,...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/AMX-10P_PAC_90.jpg

Kintoy

April 13th, 2011, 03:14 PM

huli ka na sa balita, wala ka na bang makuhang signal sa bundok nyo hahaha? jawk! :lol:

what are you babbling about? i have unlimited data plan for my iPhone.

Kintoy

April 13th, 2011, 03:15 PM

Philippines says will spend $255 mln on military helicopters,boats

MANILA, April 13 (Reuters) - The Philippines will use proceeds from the country's Malampaya gas fields to fund most of a $255 million plan to buy boats, helicopters and weapons for the military, President Benigno Aquino said on Wednesday.

The Philippines has one of the weakest militaries in the region, patrolling its vast maritime borders, including disputed areas in the South China Sea, with 20-year-old trainer jets and Vietnam War-era frigates.

Efforts to upgrade equipment have been hampered by tight government finances and graft allegations.

"For the information of everybody, we are allocating 11 billion pesos ($255 million) for the equipment of the Armed Forces of the Philippines," Aquino told reporters after observing joint military exercises of American and Filipino soldiers at an army jungle base north of Manila.

"There will be boats and other watercraft, helicopters for our air force and assault rifles for our Philippine army and many more."

Aquino has previously said the navy would be upgraded to better protect the country's maritime resources, including oil exploration areas in the South China Sea. [ID:nSGE70304O]

Aquino said 8 billion pesos for the modernisation programme would be allocated from the government's royalties from the Malampaya gas fields off western Palawan island. Another 3 billion pesos will be taken from the 2011 budget.

A refurbished Hamilton-class cutter donated by the United States would be ready by August and three brand-new Taiwan-manufactured Multi-Purpose Attack Craft vessels will be delivered by early next year, he said.

http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/philippines-says-will-spend-255-mln-on-military-helicoptersboats

kalbongdad

April 13th, 2011, 03:39 PM

hay sana bumili nman ng bago....baka maging si lolo hamilton ang gawin flagship ng pinas....:lol:

spearhead

April 13th, 2011, 03:47 PM

what are you babbling about? i have unlimited data plan for my iPhone.

Ah ganun, dyan nyo pala ginagamit yang mga nakokotong nyo ha hehehe :lol:

spearhead

April 13th, 2011, 03:49 PM

Meanwhile, in an international military weapon system and platform developments:

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfGnQo5OseQ&feature=related
JfGnQo5OseQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMluFFXeQ5s
QMluFFXeQ5s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyFTbunocAY
fyFTbunocAY

http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/24012010/3127330/5_a.jpg

Iron Dome intercepts first rocket (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053837,00.html)

Ashkelon residents report seeing Grad explode in midair as dozens of rockets fired at south, meanwhile Hamas says Israel taking advantage of Goldstone's regret over Gaza war report to bomb Strip

Shmulik Hadad Latest Update: 04.07.11, 22:37 / Israel News

Residents in Ashkelon reported Thursday seeing Israel's new Iron Dome defense system intercept a Grad rocket fired towards the southern city from the Gaza Strip. IDF officials called the interception a "historical moment", saying it was the first of its kind in the world.

Two intercepting missiles were fired at the rocket, but the first succeeded in hitting it, an army official said.

Eyewitnesses told Ynet they saw the rocket explode in midair and realized that the system had intercepted its first rocket.

Moshe Ben Hemo, a resident of Ashkelon, said, "I was in the street and I heard a strange sound, like someone pushing the gas pedal of a car. Then I saw the rocket fly through the air and explode. Immediately I realized that it was Iron Dome, that's what has been said here."

He added that the rocket alert had not been set off. "The rocket was apparently supposed to explode in Ashkelon. In any case I'm glad the system works," he said.

After hitting a student bus traveling through Shaar Hanegev Regional Council Thursday, critically wounding a 16-year old boy and lightly injuring the driver, terrorists in Gaza fired some 45 rockets and mortar shells at Israel. No further injuries were reported.

The IDF immediately began bombing targets in Gaza in response to the onslaught. Palestinian medics said a 50-year old man was killed in the airstrikes along with three others, and a number of other people injured, including a child.

Ashkelon's Iron Dome system was set up just Monday, with soldiers running extensive tests to make sure it was functioning properly. Another system was set up earlier in Beersheba.

The defense establishment decided to place the system earlier than planned due to the recent escalation of violence in the south. It has already been set up in Haifa, and in the coming weeks officials plan to put it in place in central Israel as well.

Hamas: Stop Israeli aggression
Despite Thursday's onslaught, Hamas called on the international community to "stop Israel's aggression in the Gaza Strip". Hamas spokesman Taher Nunu said the organization would appeal to the UN Security Council because Israel was not honoring a lull agreement in Gaza.

The terror organization claims Israel is taking advantage of regret expressed by Judge Richard Goldstone over his report on Operation Cast Lead, which accuses Israel of war crimes, in order to attack the Palestinian people.

Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum said the Palestinian fire, which included dozens of rockets and mortar shells after the attack on the bus, derives from a desire to protect the people of Gaza and "pressure the occupation to stop its crimes".

He added that the IDF was also trying to ignite violence "in order to thwart inter-Palestinian truce efforts" between Hamas and rival Fatah. He stressed that the Palestinian "will not sit by as innocent blood is shed".

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Siguradong maba-bad trip itong mga anti-israel hehe. :lol: :cheers: