Do we have ships that have torpedoes in its arsenal? These large guns are not really that effective when dealing with larger Naval ships of foreign countries. Torpedoes provide far devastating blow than these guns. Do we have this kind of capability?

China denies incursion into West Philippine Sea :ohno:



(The Philippine Star)
Updated June 03, 2011 12:00 AM Comments (28) View comments



Manila, Philippines - China yesterday rejected allegations of recent illegal military incursions into Philippine territorial waters.

“The reported ‘incursion of Chinese ships’ is not true,” the Chinese embassy in Manila through spokesperson Michelle Zhao said in a statement.

Zhao said Beijing is merely being consistent on the issue.

“China holds a clear and consistent position on the South China Sea issue,” she said.

The Philippine government alleged Chinese naval vessels had unloaded building materials and installed a number of posts and a buoy last month near the Iroquois Reef and Amy Douglas Bank, both of which are within the Philippine territory near the Spratlys.

However the Chinese embassy gave a different account.

“It’s only China’s marine research ship conducting normal maritime research activities on the South China Sea,” Zhao said.

The Chinese government earlier reiterated that there is nothing to claim on Spratly Islands, which they call the Nansha, since it is rightfully theirs.

The Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) said it had formally protested to the Chinese mission over recent activity in the disputed waters of the South China Sea and Chinese plans to anchor an oil rig there next month.

President Aquino said the government could only lodge a protest against China in asserting its claims over the oil-rich Spratlys.

Even without military might, the Philippines – or any other country for that matter – is no match against giant China, particularly when it comes to asserting its claims on the disputed oil-rich Spratly Islands, Aquino said.

Aquino conceded late Wednesday that even in boxing, a sport where Filipinos excel, “we are no match against them (China) even on one-on-one.”

“We are only 95 million (Filipinos) but there are 1.5 billion (Chinese),” Aquino remarked in jest in trying to explain to reporters here the realities of asserting Philippine claims on the oil-rich island chains.

Aquino said any statements on the claims would always be counterproductive as it would not help the long-standing problem among claimant-nations in the Spratlys.

“Tensions will just increase if we engage in a verbal jostle. If they (Chinese government) lose face, how will they compromise?” he asked.

“So, in our meetings with our fellow claimants, we say we discuss this as a group. There has to be centrality,” he said.

Aquino said the best option to assert claims would be through diplomacy.

Aquino though noted that no amount of diplomatic efforts would stop the Chinese from intruding in the Spratlys.

Coming up with a central position on the South China Sea dispute among the claimant-countries within the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) will be the best way to deal with a superpower like China, Aquino said.

The DFA on Wednesday summoned Beijing’s charge d’affaires in Manila Bai Tian to protest the intrusion of Chinese surveillance vessels into the West Philippine Sea.

The Chinese vessels were reportedly unloading building materials and also placed a buoy in waters inside Philippine territory.

The Philippines earlier lodged a diplomatic protest against Beijing over a March 2 incident in Reed Bank, which is within Philippine territory, where two Chinese patrol boats reportedly harassed a local exploration vessel.

While remaining optimistic that a peaceful resolution can be achieved, Aquino said the Philippines is preparing to file a report before the United Nations on some “six to seven instances” of Chinese intrusion or provocative actions in the West Philippine Sea.

“We are completing the data. We will present it to them (China) and then bring these to the appropriate body, which most of the time is the United Nations,” Aquino said.

During his meeting with Chinese Defense Minister Liang Guangjie two weeks ago, Aquino already warned that continued provocative actions in the area could trigger an arms race in the region.

‘Multilateral dialogue’

Aquino and Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah of Brunei agreed Wednesday to adopt a “multilateral dialogue” policy among claimant-countries in the Spratlys.

Presidential Communications Operations Office Secretary Herminio Coloma told Manila-based reporters in a briefing that the two heads of state wanted all stakeholders to “engage in a multilateral dialogue” along with fellow claimants China, Vietnam and Malaysia.

“The principal objective is peace and stability in the region. There should be peaceful cooperation and dialogue. There are many stakeholders, and they are all committed to share those goals,” Coloma said.

Coloma, who was with the Philippine delegation, quoted the Sultan as saying “it’s best to have good relations with China,” but would not want to interpret it any other way, except to say: “The two leaders emphasized the need for a peaceful solution to the (Spratlys) issue.”

Coloma said Aquino – whose two-day official visit here ends today – is looking forward to seeing the Brunei leader when the ASEAN Summit closes in Bali, Indonesia and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) is held in Hawaii in November.

The President reiterated earlier the need for a Code of Conduct among claimant-countries in the Spratlys so that jurisdictional matters will be defined clearly, especially in the wake of reports China had built permanent structures and garrisons in the disputed reefs.

The rationale behind the Code of Conduct is to lessen such incidents of intrusion and avoid conflicts.

Likewise, Aquino hinted the reported sighting of fighter jets buzzing a Philippine Air Force patrol plane in the area might not result in a diplomatic protest on the basis that Philippine authorities could not clearly establish if it really was Chinese aircraft.

‘A serious concern’

Malacañang said the sightings of Chinese Navy vessels erecting posts at the West Philippine Sea were a serious cause for concern and would like to diplomatically resolve the issue in favor of the Philippines.

“You’re speaking of western Palawan, you’re not speaking of the Spratlys. Western Palawan is part of our territory, so that’s not a disputed area,” presidential spokesman Edwin Lacierda said.

Lacierda though was careful not to say China had acted in bad faith as the sightings of the Chinese vessels came after Chinese Defense Minister Liang came to Manila and met with President Aquino.

“We had a meeting (Wednesday) on China and the agreement was that the Department of Foreign Affairs will be taking the lead role in explaining the situation regarding China,” Lacierda said.

“The Philippines asked China to explain what they’ve been doing there. If you notice, they were supposed to put in place an oil rig, so they were asked specifically what area are you going to place them. But certainly, it’s a cause for concern for us. And that’s the reason why the deputy chief of mission (of the Chinese embassy) was summoned to the DFA,” Lacierda told a press briefing in Malacañang.

Lacierda cited the Declaration of the Code of Conduct in the South China Sea as basis for asking China to explain its actions in Philippine waters.

China and the ASEAN have yet to adopt a legally binding code as China wants to resolve the Spratlys issue bilaterally with each claimant-country as against the position of the Philippines to allow ASEAN as a whole to be a party, including non-claimants.

Undertakings

On the other hand, defense and military establishments are coming up with a new strategy that would address the country’s territorial defense due to the unfolding security development in the South China Sea.

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said they would be refocusing efforts to revive all its external defense undertakings.

Over the years, the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) temporarily shelved all its external defenses to deal with internal security threats like the communist rebels and the terrorist Abu Sayyaf group.

“Right now we are trying to mix both ISO (internal security operations) and territorial defense in our planning,” Gazmin said.

While the ISO has been the top priority of the military in its previous undertakings, the developments in the Philippine-declared territory in the South China Sea also calls for an urgent need to address the concerns, he said.

“Because of the increased incursions and violations of our territorial waters (by foreign forces), we have to take a serious look into external defense or territorial defense,” Gazmin stressed.

Gazmin referred to the latest incursion of Chinese missile-firing surveillance vessels within Palawan Sea with construction materials like steel posts, specifically at the Amy Douglas Shoal last May 21 and May 24.

Amy Douglas Shoal is located less than 100 nautical miles from mainland Palawan and near Lawak and Patag Islands, which the military leadership wanted to develop as a prime tourist spot.

Gazmin though admitted that the country’s military is no match to a superpower like China.

However, Gazmin pointed out that the Philippines, being a sovereign nation, must have at least a credible and respectable force to safeguard and maintain her territorial integrity.

AFP chief Gen. Eduardo Oban Jr. said the military is planning to set up a coast watch system in the western seaboard in the next two to three years to monitor and secure the country’s maritime borders and natural resources. – Delon Porcalla, Aurea Calica, Jaime Laude, Alexis Romero, Pia Lee-Brago, Paolo Romero

Are they controlled from the bridge? A separate room or under the turret? haha sorry I am just curious...

It is good to hear that it can take down both air and ground targets...

Why not add another one at the back of the BRP Gregorio Del Pilar?

It's still much better if they put High rate canon, Missiles or CIWS at the back of BRP Del Pilar.

^^
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haha lolo ko israeli, I have the info... at mukha ba mula sa dyaryo ang pinagkuhanan ko ng impormasyon? hindi ako cheap tulad mo :banana:

has any of the PZL W-3 Sokol from Poland been delivered?..This was suppose to start by early 2011 right?....

It will be in late-2011 due to late funds.


I know we could you this to fight internal insurgents....but It would be nice if we could have budget for at least 5 modern fighter/patrol aircraft even if not brand new due to lack of funds...the situation in South China Sea is getting edgy and we are looked at as push overs by China..Malaysia will at least have Older mig 29s anf F/A 18. Vietnam will have Sukhoi SU-27s and Indonesia has older F-16s.


who cares about getting F-35s, Rafales And even JAS Gripens..we have to be realistic and get something we can get now...maybe Older F-16 or older mig 29s..it not new but better than what we have now...........even the older PAF f-5 were better than what we have now..........too bad as they're not really fuel efficient.

Whats the point of getting more trainers like T41 when there's no real worthy fighter to fly on..........also its best Philippines does not buy Any Aircraft from Any Asian Neighbors for security purposes.....Only one worth trusting is probably Singapore.

Sad...I hope more good will come of the AFP investigations going on.......DIE LIGOT FAMILY DIE!

Go for the IAI KFIR C10! Ecuador and Colombia uses it to effectively defend their airspace against Venezuelan Su-30s and F-16s due to its BVR capability.

Is the Oto Malera of the BRP Gregorio Del Pilar is the same with the Philippine Navy's Jacinto Class?

http://m1.ikiwq.com/img/xl/cxqYWW3ohHfZ6G2zBjWLZa.jpg

Are they controlled from the bridge? A separate room or under the turret? haha sorry I am just curious...

It is good to hear that it can take down both air and ground targets...

Why not add another one at the back of the BRP Gregorio Del Pilar?

Yes it is the same gun but I don't know where the gun control room is and we don't have any news yet about what weapon will be placed at the stern of the BRP Gregorio Del Pilar... I hope it will be the Typhoon Weapon System.

http://defense-update.com/images_new1/typhoon-spikeer_turret.jpg

^^

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/pinoylumix/type053h1g_jianghu5_02large.jpg

not really that exceptional, only armed with inferior indigenous anti-ship missiles, Bofors-like anti-aircraft artillery, a 5" gun, anti-submarine rockets and depth charges and nothing more.. and it's only powered by slow diesel engines.. they don't even have a helicopter deck..

there are 6 of these frigates operating in the West Philippine Sea..

now, if only we had even a couple of Kidd/Arleigh Burke destroyers, Perry frigates, or even large corvettes with far more superior weaponry like the Harpoon SSM, we can clearly deter the PLAN fleet in the West Philippine Sea.

More FYI about the Type 053H1G (Jianghu-V Class) Missile Frigate (http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/surface/type053h1g_jianghu5.asp)

Any Philippine Navy ship as long as it's armed with a missile can defeat this Chinese guided missile frigate.

China is a signatory in the code of conduct in the Spratly's. FIRING against NON-MILITARY people is "state terrosism" and a blatant violation of HUMAN RIGHTS. BUNCH OF WHINERS AGAINST THE WEST YET A BULLY AND TERRORIST IN ASIA.

The "Chinese Monroe Doctrine". It's a matter of time that they will kill us off like the Anglos killed the Indians.

We should get CNN, BBC, MSNBC, Channel News Asia to cover these Chinewse ATROCITIES.

Communist like the NPA are really state terrorists!

Do we have ships that have torpedoes in its arsenal? These large guns are not really that effective when dealing with larger Naval ships of foreign countries. Torpedoes provide far devastating blow than these guns. Do we have this kind of capability?

The BRP Rajah Humabon used to be armed (http://www.enotes.com/topic/BRP_Rajah_Humabon_%28PF-11%29) with torpedoes and other ASW weapons.

Further minor refits were made between 1995 and 1996. Some of her weapons were also removed, mainly its anti-submarine equipment due to lack of spare parts. This includes the EDO SQS-17B hull-mounted sonar, a Mk9 depth charge rack, six Mk6 depth charge projects aft and a Hedgehog Mk10 anti-submarine projectors forward, as well as Mk38 anti-submarine torpedoes in two triple tube amidships. This totally removed her anti-submarine warfare capabilities, which is in fact outdated at present conditions. It was reported in 2004 that her fore Hedgehog ASW is still operational, together with her 8 K-gun Mk6 depth charge projectors and SQS-17B sonar.

PHL military to beef up external defense capabilities amid foreign intrusions
06/02/2011 | 09:07 PM
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/222391/nation/...eign-intrusions (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/222391/nation/phl-military-to-beef-up-external-defense-capabilities-amid-foreign-intrusions)


The Philippine military is now planning to beef up its external defense capabilities following the increasing number of foreign intrusions into the country’s territory off Palawan province.

“Because of the recent increased incursions and violations of our territorial waters, we have to take a serious look into external defense or territorial defense," said Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin on Thursday.

Gazmin said recent meetings between ranking military and senior defense officials centered on mixing both the internal security operations (ISO) and external defense in their planning.

Military officials had earlier said they might purchase equipment and assets for external defense when they end the various internal security threats such as the communist New People’s Army, the secessionist Moro Islamic Liberation Front, and the Abu Sayyaf.

The military has recently reported to the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) China's alleged intrusions at the Amy Douglas bank, part of the disputed Spratlys Island that is about 100 nautical miles off Palawan, last May 21 and 24.

A Chinese transport ship and two missile boats reportedly put up a buoy and steel posts at the bank, which were subsequently dismantled and turned over to the military by fishermen.

Gazmin also said that they are also in the process of reviewing the military’s Coast Watch System, which is part of the military’s modernization program.

The Coast Watch System, which calls for the putting up of radar systems, was initially pursued in the South – called the Coast Watch South.

“Right now, we are in the process of reviewing our Coast Watch System and we are waiting for the approval of the EO (executive order) that will be coming out. It’s an interagency coordination to be able to address maritime security," Gazmin said without elaborating. — KBK, GMA News

Bansang Tsina wala pang sagot sa mga new activities nila and new construction sa spratly islands, well within the 200km territory of the philippine archipelago:

http://www.gmanews.tv/video/81041/24oras-c...ura-sa-spratlys

PHL military to beef up external defense capabilities amid foreign intrusions
06/02/2011 | 09:07 PM
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/222391/nation/...eign-intrusions (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/222391/nation/phl-military-to-beef-up-external-defense-capabilities-amid-foreign-intrusions)

It looks like they will be pursuing a Coast Watch West version!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3325/3262819602_bc48f07070.jpg
The Coast Watch South System

the next thing you know, they have military hq in mainland palawan...

the next thing you know, they have military hq in mainland palawan...

That is as if no Filipino is living in Palawan, right? Lots of things you may want to know about it, buddy.

^^ do you really have to take everything literally?

^^ do you really have to take everything literally?

HQ is HQ. Anything less is not. So, not literal but on the true sense of the word (which is not literal understanding).

Suit yourself if that's what you want to believe about what I meant. But, really it does not coincide.

But then again, based on your many previous posts, you merely want to play the devil's advocate :D

So really, suit yourself

The FERFRANS SOAR is already used by the PNP Special Action Force.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/enriquezdave/mil/z19.jpg
I like this weapon. It's nice and beautiful...

I like this weapon. It's nice and beautiful...

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Ferfrans_SOAR

Special Operations Assault Rifle (SOAR) is an assault rifle manufactured by the Philippine-based company Ferfrans and designed as an improvement of the M16A1, A2 and M4 rifles.

Known variants include SOARs with 10.5, 11.5 and 14.5 inch barrels. Known upgrades are known as the 10.5 Mk2, 10.5 Mk2-2 and the 11 Mk2.
Television

FERFRANS' SOAR listed as #9 on ULTIMATE WEAPONS CQB weapons.

http://www.defensereview.com/ferfrans-gas-pistonop-rod-soar-tactical-ar-15-sbrs-and-carbines-for-specops/

DefenseReview recently got the chance to run FERFRANS Specialties’ new 5.56×45mm NATO (5.56mm NATO)/.223 Rem. select-fire, gas piston/op-rod SOAR tactical AR SBR/subcarbines (10.5″-11.5″ barrels) at the range. While the recoil impulse was a bit more “punchy” (less smooth, quicker impulse) than the FERFRANS direct-gas-impingement SOAR SBRs and carbines, it was no more so than anyone else’s piston-driven tactical AR we’ve tried. And, since the gas-piston SOARs run significantly slower on full-auto than anyone else’s full-auto gas-piston-driven ARs (approx. 625-675 RPM) thanks to the patented FERFRANS Rate Reduction System (RRS), they’re significantly more controllable on full-auto than competing piston-driven systems. More controllable means more hits on target. The RRS makes full-auto fire a viable CQB/CQC tool.

We ran the FERFRANS gas-piston-driven SOAR SBRs suppressed and unsuppressed, and the…


guns ran reliably in both configurations. That said, we didn’t have the opportunity to conduct a U.S. military-style high-round-count/adverse-conditions test and abuse the weapons accordingly.

For suppressed fire, we utilized an Ops Inc. (also written “OPS-INC“) muzzle can (silencer/sound suppressor), which also worked well.

Sighting on the suppressed weapon pictured was accomplished via an Aimpoint Micro T-1 mini-red dot sight and Aimpoint 3XMag magnifying optic mounted via Larue Tactical QD sight mounts (LaRue Tactical QD LT660 (Tall) for the Micro T-1 and QD Pivot Mount LT649 for the 3XMag) , which Defense Review highly recommends.

We used MagPul PMAG 30-round polymer magazines, including both the standard PMAGs and MagLevel PMAGs, and they ran great, as well.

The telescoping/collapsible/retractable buttstock on the weapons pictured is a Vltor Modstock (Clubfoot model) built from what we believe is the Modstock Basic Carbine Kit.

The FERFRANS piston-driven SOAR select-fire SBRs are now available to military and law enforcement end-users.

http://falconsecurity.us/armament/carbine-reviews/ferfrans-s-o-a-r/

FALCON strongly believes that the FERFRANS Weapons System is the BEST AR/M16 platform on the planet today. FERFRANS has spared no expense, time, energy, research and development when it came to designing the SOAR. Simply put, the mindset was to put the best weapon system into the hands of those who put their lives on the line every day so that they may return home. This reason alone was a major deciding factor as to why FALCON has partnered with FERFRANS.

The S.O.A.R. (Special Operations Assault Rifle) uses a heavy machine gun barrel for sustained fire to produce a sub-machine gun with a high power caliber. The FERFRANS SOAR uses a unique patented rate reduction system (FERFRANS RRS) that reduces the cyclic rate of fire regardless of barrel length. Therefore, 1, 2 or 3 round burst capabilities can be attained by the simple controlling of the squeeze on the trigger when the operator is properly trained. No more need for the 3-round burst mechanism. “Shooter should control the weapon, not the weapon controlling the shooter.” The combination of the low cyclic rate, a compensator, and Selective Integrated Rail (S.I.R.) with vertical foregrip permits sustained automatic fire with no muzzle climb, making the weapon extremely controllable capable of DECISIVE, ACCURATE, FIREPOWER for sustained periods.

It also promotes parts longevity of the weapon system. For those who have truly studied how the M16 platform operates and knows its strength and weaknesses can truly appreciate this system. The necessity to clean your weapon system before eating “chow” in case the operator is required to go back into harms way is becoming a thing of the past. The SOAR operates from a short stroke variable gas piston system which allows the operator to select his mode of fire from normal, suppressed or single shot. Thus, whatever the mission or operation calls for the SOAR can answer the call. Additionally, since this system works off a piston, the hot gasses are discharged at the gas block which prevents those hot gasses from returning into the chamber and causing build up resulting in increased possibility of malfunctions.

The FERFRANS SOAR is the answer to all combat requirements, in the field of weaponry for law enforcement and military units in the Philippines and around the globe. Due to its extremely controllable full auto fire feature, accuracy is enhanced and risks of hitting innocent lives during combat are being eliminated. A must, in this highly litigious society of law enforcement. Marksmanship is also enhanced even with limited resources for practice.

It will provide substantial improvement in performance and accuracy over current SMGs and will standardize supply, maintenance, and training support. It will greatly simplify logistics equation and marksmanship training.

Since April of 2010, FALCON has run numerous operator training courses with the SOAR. We have pushed this weapon system to its design limits and beyond. The U.S. Military has tested the standard issued M16 regeriously and found the system to have many flaws in its design. Stoner, after designing the weapon system, submitted a report requesting to address the issues that he found later on with the weapon. Those issues were never address and resolved until now. FERFRANS has answered the call and addressed those issues.

To give you an example. FALCON conducted a side by side test with a standard, currently issued system that is being used today by our military members. After 15 min of continuos FULL AUTO FIRE, the SOAR raised the bar significantly by firing 1090 rounds before we experienced a “cook off.” Even though the chamber and BCG were still relatively cool to the touch, the barrel was so hot that the heat transfer into the bullet caused the cook off. However, the SOAR continued to fire with out any problems.

FALCON highly recommends and suggest that any who carries a AR/M16 rifle for a living and depends on this system to fire each and every time a long with sustained longevity take a seriously closer look at the FERFRANS SOAR.

http://members.fortunecity.com/ferfrans/soar.htm

FERFRANS developed the Special Operations Assault Rifle (SOAR) to answer to the needs of the AFP and the PNP today and in the near future. The SOAR incorporates the modifications and improvements to the M16A1, A2, M4 that will, among things, ensure enhanced reliability, accuracy, firepower, zero retention, ergonomics/man machine interface, a reduced cyclic rate, and an increased service life.


It uses a heavy machine gun barrel for sustained firing to produce a sub-machine gun with a high power caliber. The FERFRANS SOAR uses a unique patented rate reduction system (FERFRANS RRS) that reduces the cyclic rate of fire regardless of barrel length. Therefore, 2 or 3 burst capabilities can be attained by the simple controlling of the squeeze on the trigger. No more need for the 3-round burst mechanism. " Shooter should control the weapon, not the weapon controlling the shooter." The combination of the low cyclic rate, a compensator, and Selective Integrated Rail (S.I.R.) with vertical foregrip permits sustained automatic fire with no muzzle climb, making the weapon extremely controllable capable of OVERWHELMING, ACCURATE, FIREPOWER.

It also promotes parts longevity.

The FERFRANS SOAR is the answer to all the combat needs, in the field of weaponry for law enforcement and military units in the Philippines and around the globe. Due to its extremely controllable full auto fire feature, accuracy is enhanced and risks of hitting innocent lives during combat are being eliminated. A must, in this highly litigious society of law enforcement. Marksmanship is also enhanced even with limited resources for practice.

It will provide substantial improvement in performance and accuracy over current SMGs and will standardize supply, maintenance, and training support. It will greatly simplify logistics equation and marksmanship training.

http://members.fortunecity.com/ferfrans/soarmain.jpg

Beef up external defense my ass. The Philippines can't even afford to defend it's capital with anti aircraft SAMs.
Hindi nga mka afford ng simpleng 2nd hand na F-16...

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China fired at Filipino fishermen in Jackson atoll

By TESSA JAMANDRE

“This is Chinese Warship 560. You are in the China territory. Leave the area immediately.”

Upon hearing this warning through a marine band radio, three Philippine boats fishing in Quirino, or Jackson atoll, a Philippine-claimed islet off Palawan in the disputed Spratly Islands, scampered away.

But the Chinese warship still fired three shots at the vessels F/V Jaime DLS, F/V Mama Lydia DLS and F/V Maricris 12. The Philippine Nay later identified the Chinese warship as Dongguan, a Jianghu-V Class missile frigate.

The incident in the South China Sea happened on Feb. 25—before March when the Philippine-commissioned seismic vessel was reportedly harassed in Reed Bank in western Palawan and before the Chinese vessels laid steel posts and a buoy in May in the Amy Douglas (Iroquois) Bank southwest of Reed Bank which Manila said is within its 200-mile exclusive economic zone.

Yet while the Philippine government protested the March and May incidents, one by note verbale another verbally, it did no such thing about the February incident.

Jackson atoll is a ring-shaped coral reef that has closely spaced islands on it encircling a lagoon. It is a rich fishing ground within Palawan’s 200-nautical-mile exclusive economic zone and belongs to the Kalayaan Island Group (KIG) which under Philippine law is part of the country’s regime of islands.

A military report seen by VERA Files said that on Feb. 25, while anchored at Jackson atoll, the three Philippine fishing boats were approached by the Chinese warship, which introduced itself through a marine band radio and demanded that the Filipino fishermen leave at once.

F/V Maricris 12, however, experienced trouble removing its anchor, and its captain, Russel De la Cruz, pleaded with the Chinese warship, also through a marine band radio to “please wait for a while.”

“However, the Chinese warship repeatedly answered, ‘I will shoot you.’ Then, De la Cruz heard three consecutive gunshots and saw the projectiles hit the surface of the water 0.3 nautical miles away from the position of F/V Maricris,” the military report said.

F/V Maricris 12 had to cut its anchor lines in order to flee from what it sensed was imminent danger.

The gunshots were also heard by F/V Jaime DLS, which reported the incident by radio to the Philippine Navy detachment on Lawak Island which, in turn, relayed it to the Naval Station on Pag-Asa island until it reached the Naval Forces West headquarters in Palawan.

The three beleaguered fishing vessels proceeded to the Philippine-occupied Lawak where they sought refuge for two days. The Chinese warship was later sighted southeast of Lawak toward Patag Island, also held by the Philippines.

According to the military report, when F/V Maricris 12 returned to Jackson atoll on Feb. 28 to retrieve its anchor, it sighted three Chinese fishing vessels colored blue, red and green, exploiting the marine resources in the area.

The oil-rich Spratlys chain in the South China Sea is being claimed in part by the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei and wholly by China, Taiwan and Vietnam. Of the more or less 160 islands, Vietnam occuppies 25 islands; China, 12; the Philippines, nine; Malaysia, five, and Taiwan, one. Brunei does not occupy a single geographical feaure but has established a fishing zone that overlaps a southern reef.

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin expressed alarm at the increasing Chinese incursions in the hotly contested Spratly Islands.

“Dumami yung intrusions. Ibig sabihin e, yung mga areas nasa lugar natin na wala tayong mga gwardya ay doon ang nilalagyan nila. In other words, gusto nila magtanim ng mga bandera nila sa ganun masabi nila sa kanila yung area (The incursions are rising. This means they are positioning themselves in areas that are ours but are unguarded. In other words, they want to plant flags to claim these places),” Gazmin said in a briefing Wednesday.

Besides the recent incidents at Jackson atoll, Reed Bank and Amy Douglas Bank, a Chinese marine vessel with a flat bed was sighted in Abad Santos or Bombay shoal on May 6, and the the Chinese Marine Surveillance ship 75 and Salvage/research Ship 707 were spotted steaming toward Southern Bank on May 21.

Armed Forces chief Eduardo Oban said the military will maintain the level of force in the disputed islands, but will also increase the operational tempo of its routine patrols and reconnaissance flights within the country’s terroritorial boundaries.

http://bit.ly/iZnIrS

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These acitvists are communists as seen through the flags and colors that they use.

http://dateline.ph/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/npa-flag.jpg
NPA Flag

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FwfkzdD61w0/SFLdWNB5BhI/AAAAAAAAAHU/LMsYJQcPA7c/S220/300px-Soviet_flag_red_star_svg.png
NPA Star

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41591_75519398385_4078271_n.jpg
KMP

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l0in05tqFh1qbztz0o1_500.jpg
Anakpawis

Bakit di nag iingay ang mga AKTIBISTA sa mga ganitong balita. Takot kaya o baka naman suportado nila ang kapwa Komunista ???



“Given the importance of the country's claim in the South China Sea, the government must proactively make moves to strengthen our claim in the area,” said solons Akbayan Reps. Walden Bello and Kaka Bag-ao.

House Resolution 1350 seeks to rename the South China Sea the "Western Philippine Sea" or “Kanlurang Dagat ng Pilipinas” following the Philippines' protesting the reported incursions.

nakakatawa ang mga info nyo, 30 years ng obsolete, in our house in israel we used unmanned small vehicle tanks, with laser gunner, ang pinas ay di pwede galawin ng china dahil parang ginalaw mo na rin ang 32 million filipino descent sa us...ang alam nyo lang ay 2 million filipino's in us base sa papel ng gobyerno natin, try to deepen your knowledge about secutrity and forces of every nation at every time...kung magkagyera man ang chinese descent sa us ay kalahati lamang ng filipino descent, at never magkakayera sa us soil at mangyayari ang gyera sa mainland china at kapwa yellow race din ang kalaban nila, south korea,japan, and taiwan at ang malakas na nagdradramahang pakistan at india, ang force na nasa india-pakistan border ay nearly 150,000 tanks, as in 150,000 yan ay ginastosan ng america sinula pa noong 50's hangang sa ngayon, kung isa man dito ang nakaaalala sa 8,000 miniaturize war heads na ninakaw ng china sa pentagon at nagpapaka astig ang china na labanan ang america, india lang ang sumagot sa operation invasion together with pakistan and bangladesh...dun biglang nagreklamo ang china na ayaw nila makigyera sa iba kundi sa us lang....drama at pambubully lang ang ginanagawa ng china dahil ang totoo ay tao lang ang lakas nila at lahat ng gamit nila ay russian at us made....

si prince charles ay may binigay na 2 frigate noon, yun lang yung magpatrolya sa spratleys wala ng tention, connected yun sa australian royal navy,indonesian navy,malaysian,singaporean at vietnam naval force, dahil mga briton ang crew nyan, pero ewan ko lang kung makinig ang mga briton sa mga bobo nting mga navy at marines at mga palpak pa....

irequest din ni pnoy ang uss bataan na nasa mediteranean ngayon

sabog ka te?

si prince charles ay may binigay na 2 frigate noon, yun lang yung magpatrolya sa spratleys wala ng tention, connected yun sa australian royal navy,indonesian navy,malaysian,singaporean at vietnam naval force, dahil mga briton ang crew nyan, pero ewan ko lang kung makinig ang mga briton sa mga bobo nting mga navy at marines at mga palpak pa....

we did not get frigates from the Brits. what we got from them were three of the five Peacock class patrol corvettes that were once assigned in Hong Kong (the other two Peacocks were purchased by Ireland). the Peacocks in Philippine Navy are better known to us now as the Jacinto class patrol corvettes.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5287/5237250740_3c7abe18bb.jpg

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/files/2011/05/spratlys-l.jpg

source: http://globalnation.inquirer.net/files/2011/05/spratlys-l.jpg

Philippines warns of arms race in South China Sea




MANILA—Philippine President Benigno Aquino on Tuesday said he warned the Chinese defense minister of a possible arms race in the region if tensions worsened over disputes in the South China Sea.

Aquino said he told visiting Chinese Defense Minister Liang Guanglie in their meeting on Monday that such an arms race could result if there were more encounters in the disputed and potentially oil-rich Spratly islands.

“When we have these incidents, does it not promote an arms race happening within the region? And when there is an arms race, does not the potential for conflict increase?” he recalled telling Liang.

“Who benefits from that?” he told reporters.

Aquino said the poorly equipped Philippine military was no match for China but recent encounters involving military ships and planes in the Spratlys might force Manila’s hand.

“We may not have the capabilities now, but that might force us to increase our capabilities also,” he said.

During the meetings on Monday, Philippine and Chinese officials pledged to avoid “unilateral actions” that could further inflame tensions over rival claims to the Spratlys.

The Spratlys are a chain of atolls and reefs straddling vital shipping lanes in the South China Sea and are believed to lie atop vast oil and gas deposits.

Apart from China and the Philippines, the islands are claimed in whole or in part by Taiwan, Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam.

In March, the Philippines complained that Chinese patrol boats had harassed a Philippine oil exploration vessel in disputed waters near the Spratlys.

It subsequently filed a formal protest at the United Nations over China’s claims to the Spratly islands and adjacent South China Sea waters.

Last week, the Philippine military said its planes sighted two foreign jets flying over the area.

Local press reports, citing sources, said they were Chinese jets but defence officials said they were too high up to identify.


http://globalnation.inquirer.net/2247/philippines-warns-of-arms-race-in-south-china-sea

Meron naka drugs dito. sino kaya yon???

To Mr. President, kailangan pa po bang magkaroon ng ganito kalaking tensyon sa Spratly's at "mapuwersa" pa talaga ang Pilipinas na mag-improve ng capabilites? Eh diba yan naman talaga nang kailangang-kailangan natin para kahit papano mabigyang laban ang bansa para maipagatanggol ang sarili sa iba? Ano ba naman yan. Kailangan pa talagang humantong sa ganito bago maisipang bigyan nga improvements ang AFP. tsk3. :(

These acitvists are communists as seen through the flags and colors that they use.

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NPA Flag

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NPA Star

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KMP

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Anakpawis

SPOT ON! Bakit kaya hindi sila nagra-rally sa tapat ng Chinese embassy ngayon?

SPOT ON! Bakit kaya hindi sila nagra-rally sa tapat ng Chinese embassy ngayon?

It only shows that these people are brainwashed by communist ideologies and are a bunch of commies. They are traitors and are only after their selfish communist appetites!

(if only) We have men like Sergeant Dipprasad Pun ....isa na si M/Sgt. Manny Pacquiao... :D

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0eyYfZaeMc6NV/x610.jpg

Sergeant Dipprasad Pun, of the Royal Gurkha Rifles, proudly holds his Conspicuous Gallantry Medal, after it was presented to him by Britain's Queen Elizabeth II at Buckingham Palace in London, after an Investiture Ceremony, Wednesday, June 1, 2011. The soldier fired more than 400 rounds, launched 17 grenades and detonated a mine to thwart the Taliban assault on his checkpoint near Babaji in Helmand Province, southern Afghanistan, last September. At one point, after exhausting all his ammunition, he had to use the tripod of his machine gun to beat away a militant who was climbing the walls of the compound. Two insurgents were still attacking by the time he ran out of ammunition, but he set off a Claymore mine to repel them.
His gallantry award is second only to the Victoria Cross - the highest honour for bravery in the face of the enemy.


Watch for the movie about his story...:)

^^

:shocked:

:bow:

SPOT ON! Bakit kaya hindi sila nagra-rally sa tapat ng Chinese embassy ngayon?

wait, isnt that the flag of Vietnam? Feeling Vietnamese. Why not the Philippine flag?

Meron naka drugs dito. sino kaya yon???

^^ haha.. oo nga may naka-drugs.. kung anu-ano sinasabi.

si prince charles ay may binigay na 2 frigate noon, yun lang yung magpatrolya sa spratleys wala ng tention, connected yun sa australian royal navy,indonesian navy,malaysian,singaporean at vietnam naval force, dahil mga briton ang crew nyan, pero ewan ko lang kung makinig ang mga briton sa mga bobo nting mga navy at marines at mga palpak pa....

^^:nuts: REALLY?!... prince charles donated frigate to the PH navy?, when?, where?, links?!, pictures of the turnover ceremonies or what?...

we did not get frigates from the Brits. what we got from them were three of the five Peacock class patrol corvettes that were once assigned in Hong Kong (the other two Peacocks were purchased by Ireland). the Peacocks in Philippine Navy are better known to us now as the Jacinto class patrol corvettes.
^^hayun naman pala eh!...

wait, isnt that the flag of Vietnam? Feeling Vietnamese. Why not the Philippine flag?

^^ hindi pwede ang bandera ng bayan na kagiliw giliw dahil magiging separatist, secessionist, secularist na bansa ang republik of punas mula sa mainland US of A

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

It only shows that these people are brainwashed by communist ideologies and are a bunch of commies. They are traitors and are only after their selfish communist appetites!

Tama ka,na brainwashed nga sila ng maling ideolohiya.
Ay Pinas talaga kailan pa magbabago hiwa-hiwalay

Expect bullying from China over Spratlys - Miriam



MANILA, Philippines - China will always try to bully the Philippines and other countries in the Southeast Asian region in a bid to control massive oil resources in the disputed Spratly Islands in the South China Sea, Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago said yesterday.

While the Philippines obviously does not have enough defense capability against a superpower such as China, Santiago advised the government to be circumspect and be extra wise in dealing with its big neighbor.

“In the complicated world of international affairs, it is easy to say that we will fight them off. But it is likely that China will win because they are bigger than us. China, in effect, is really going to try and bully us and the rest of the other SEA countries,” said Santiago, former chair of the Senate committee on foreign relations.

The Spratly Islands is being disputed by China, Philippines, Malaysia, Taiwan, Brunei and Vietnam.

Among the six claimant countries, Santiago said China is the “biggest” in terms of land and population, and the “strongest” in terms of defense capability.

“We pale in comparison against China, even in terms of economy. We cannot rely on other countries to defend our claims against China, they are also afraid because they also have interests to protect. That’s the rule in international relations…really self interest,” Santiago told radio dzBB.

Santiago also warned the Aquino administration against entering into joint agreements in the exploration of oil and natural deposits in a bid to “settle” the disputes at the Spratlys.

Santiago said this would mean China would have the edge since the Philippines does not have the capability to conduct oil explorations because it lacks resources and equipment.

She warned the Philippines might end up as a “satellite country” of China.

While the United States is an ally, Santiago said the Philippines couldn’t rely on the US because they too have their own economic reasons to protect in terms of their relationship with China. She said the US also has loans with China.

Despite this, Santiago said the US as well as the rich countries in western Europe would not allow China to have leverage in terms of oil and natural gas development in the Spratlys. “America and the countries in western Europe will not allow it because there will be imbalance in the distribution of power in the world once China is able to take over oil and mineral resources underneath the South China Sea,” she said.

China will become a big superpower if they gain control over the oil deposits and exploration in the region which, Santiago said, the US and western Europe will not allow.

Santiago, however, suggested the Philippines could be tapped by countries unfriendly to China and use its soil, especially Mindanao, to observe how China is conducting its trade.

Only then can the government try and make a more viable option for a better deal with China, the senator added.

Santiago also warned of a possible scenario similar to the Cuban missile crisis during the time of the late US President John Kennedy when there were trade embargoes imposed between China and the US.

“It will almost be a repeat of the Cuban crisis during the term of President Kennedy,” she said.

Judging by the military’s lack of equipment and resources to fight off China’s “bullying” tactics in the Spratly Islands, Santiago lamented that the Philippines cannot even detect if China has entered Philippine airspace because the military does not have the capability to do so.

“We are just too far away in terms of military resource capability. We are defenseless. Right now, our defense capability is good only for five minutes or under five minutes. After that …we are all dead,” (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=691241&publicationSubCategoryId=63) she said.

US fears clashes in South China Sea: Gates


US Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned Saturday that clashes may erupt in the South China Sea unless nations with conflicting territorial claims adopt a mechanism to settle disputes peacefully.

"There are increasing concerns. I think we should not lose any time in trying to strengthen these mechanisms that I’ve been talking about for dealing with competing claims in the South China Sea," he said.

"I fear that without rules of the road, without agreed approaches to deal with these problems, that there will be clashes. I think that serves nobody’s interests," (http://www.timesofoman.com/innercat.asp?detail=45829) Gates told a security conference in Singapore.

The islands at the centre of the long-running dispute are the Paracel archipelago and the more southerly Spratlys, both potentially resource-rich outcrops that straddle strategic shipping lanes.

China, the Philippines, Taiwan, Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam have laid claim to overlapping sections of the territories.

Gates called on the countries involved to build upon a 2002 agreement between the Association of Southeast Asian Nations and China setting a "code of conduct" aimed at resolving disputes peacefully.

Diplomatic tensions have risen in recent weeks following allegations of increased Chinese activity in the area.

In May, Chinese maritime ships confronted a Vietnamese oil exploration vessel between the Paracels and the Spratlys.

On Friday, Philippines President Benigno Aquino said the country had documented up to seven incidents in less than four months in which China trespassed into what Manila considers its territorial waters.

One of the incidents involved a Chinese vessel allegedly opening fire on Filipino fishermen, he added.

^^ Well you can always thank the corrupt to the core military and their greedy generals with posh houses in Ayala Alabang and Bonifacio for that. Why looky here, Gazmin tells the Khaleej Times that it's all due to "wear & tear", old equipment, etcetera, etcetera. He never addresses the root cause - corruption. Apparently, one suicide by a 50million peso general isn't nearly enough. The rest must be caught and lined up against a wall and shot. Or if bullets are too precious a commodity to waste, thence hang them all on piano strings.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?section=international&xfile=data/international/2011/may/international_may1079.xml

Philippine defense chief says military too weak

(AP)

24 May 2011, 2:43 PM

MANILA, Philippines - The Philippine military, one of Asia’s weakest, is too weak to stop foreign intrusions in areas such as disputed territories in the South China Sea, and the only recourse is diplomatic protests, the defense secretary said on Tuesday.



A Philippine newspaper reported on Tuesday that the Chinese military has erected barracks, outposts and garrisons with helicopter landing pads and satellite transmission facilities in areas close to a Philippine-claimed island in the Spratly Islands, where recent territorial spats have renewed tension.

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said the Chinese structures were built several years ago but that even today, the Philippine military would be helpless in stopping such expansion in the contested region.

“Until such time that we can upgrade our capability, we can’t do anything but protest and protest,” Gazmin told reporters.

China, the Philippines and four other Asian nations and territories claim the potentially oil-rich islands, which straddle busy shipping lanes.

Philippine authorities detected the presence of a submarine in the Sulu Sea off southern Jolo island in March. By the time the military reached the area to check, the unidentified submarine was gone, Gazmin said.

“It was an intrusion,” he told The Associated Press. “But again, what can we do?”

Gazmin said large amounts of money are needed to modernize the 129,000-strong military so that it would be capable of guarding the archipelago’s coastline, one of the world’s longest.

Many of the navy’s ships have “succumbed to the punishment of wear and tear,” with malfunctioning ones sidelined and never replaced. The few remaining ships are far below modern naval standards and are ready “to lie on their keels in the graveyard,” he said.

“This is truly deplorable but plain reality,” Gazmin said in a speech on the navy’s founding anniversary.

Gazmin announced the only major naval acquisition in recent years, a refurbished patrol ship purchased from the United States. Military chief of staff Gen. Eduardo Oban said the vessel will be deployed near the Spratlys.

The Philippine air force has proposed the acquisition of 16 combat helicopters, trainer jets and long-range patrol aircraft, along with an air defense and surveillance radar system from 2012 to 2016, air force chief Lt. Gen. Oscar Rabena said.

The modest wish list can only come true if the economy improves enough to cover the $325 million (14 billion peso) price tag, he said.

Despite scarce weapons, planes and aging warships, Filipino troops are fighting long-raging Muslim and communist insurgencies, Gazmin said, praising them for their “profound patriotic fervor.”

U.S. troops have been providing combat training, weapons and intelligence to Filipino soldiers battling al-Qaida-linked militants in the south, but they are forbidden from local combat and face many restrictions under an existing accord, he said.

nakakatawa ang mga info nyo, 30 years ng obsolete, in our house in israel we used unmanned small vehicle tanks, with laser gunner, ang pinas ay di pwede galawin ng china dahil parang ginalaw mo na rin ang 32 million filipino descent sa us...ang alam nyo lang ay 2 million filipino's in us base sa papel ng gobyerno natin, try to deepen your knowledge about secutrity and forces of every nation at every time...kung magkagyera man ang chinese descent sa us ay kalahati lamang ng filipino descent, at never magkakayera sa us soil at mangyayari ang gyera sa mainland china at kapwa yellow race din ang kalaban nila, south korea,japan, and taiwan at ang malakas na nagdradramahang pakistan at india, ang force na nasa india-pakistan border ay nearly 150,000 tanks, as in 150,000 yan ay ginastosan ng america sinula pa noong 50's hangang sa ngayon, kung isa man dito ang nakaaalala sa 8,000 miniaturize war heads na ninakaw ng china sa pentagon at nagpapaka astig ang china na labanan ang america, india lang ang sumagot sa operation invasion together with pakistan and bangladesh...dun biglang nagreklamo ang china na ayaw nila makigyera sa iba kundi sa us lang....drama at pambubully lang ang ginanagawa ng china dahil ang totoo ay tao lang ang lakas nila at lahat ng gamit nila ay russian at us made....

India have 2,300 MBTs and 150 light tanks, while Pakistan have 1,600 MBTs and 120 light tanks and China have 11,000 MBTs and 600 light tanks. Even If you add the MBTs and light tanks of the 3 countries, we get only 14,900 MBTs and 870 light tanks. That makes only a total of 15,770 MBTs and light tanks combined.

source:
The Encyclopedia of WORLD MILITARY POWER, Editors: Chris Bishop and Ian Drury

What is your source for the 150,000 tanks ?

^^

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/pinoylumix/type053h1g_jianghu5_02large.jpg
Is this a LUTA-class Guided missile destroyer ? Correct me if I'm wrong...

wala bang balita sa development sa newly aqcuired Hamilton?

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?section=international&xfile=data/international/2011/may/international_may1079.xml

Philippine defense chief says military too weak

'... Gazmin said large amounts of money are needed to modernize the 129,000-strong military so that it would be capable of guarding the archipelago’s coastline, one of the world’s longest. ...'

'... The modest wish list can only come true if the economy improves enough to cover the $325 million (14 billion peso) price tag, he said. ...'
Issue a 'baby' M-16 rifle with 6 x 30-round mags, a Beretta 9-mm pistol with 2 x 15-round mags, 2 grenades and a Rambo knife to each of the 129,000-strong AFP.

Is this a LUTA-class Guided missile destroyer ? Correct me if I'm wrong...

it's a Jianghu-V Class Frigate named Dongguan (pennant #560)

the Luda-class destroyers are older and looks like the BRP Rajah Humabon, only armed with anti-ship missiles..

PLAN ships are not really that formidable in terms of firepower, they only rely on their big numbers as a "shock and awe" factor as they alone have something like 25 missile destroyers and 50 missile frigates.. but yet again, i stand by my opinion that we can effectively deter the PLAN as long as we have a sizable single-digit armada of modern destroyers/frigates/corvettes armed with superior weapons.

Fast-track the AFP Modernization Program. In P-noy's term will be:

php 10-billion, 2011
php 10-billion, 2012
php 10-billion, 2013
php 10-billion, 2014
php 10-billion, 2015
php 10-billion, 2016

So, by this time, the Aquino administration have already allocated php 60-billion for the AFP. My wish list, like for example, 129,000 pistols, 129,000 'baby' M16 assault rifles, 100 light tanks, 250 APCs, 30 AIFVs, four 155-mm howitzers, eight frigates, 12 corvettes, 30 LSTs, 12 Apache attack helicopters, four C-130 transport planes, 36 trainer jets and 12 SAM units.

it's a Jianghu-V Class Frigate named Dongguan (pennant #560)

the Luda-class destroyers are older and looks like the BRP Rajah Humabon, only armed with anti-ship missiles..

PLAN ships are not really that formidable in terms of firepower, they only rely on their big numbers as a "shock and awe" factor as they alone have something like 25 missile destroyers and 50 missile frigates.. but yet again, i stand by my opinion that we can effectively deter the PLAN as long as we have a sizable single-digit armada of modern destroyers/frigates/corvettes armed with superior weapons.

An up-to-date BRP. Gregorio Del Pilar will kick that PLAN Missile destroyer.

BRP GDP fitted with ff:

2 CIWS
2 SEARAM
Harpoon/Exocet

^^ exactly

Harpoons, SEARAM's, VLS missiles, Mark 50 torpedoes, Phalanx CIWS, 76mm or bigger Oto Melara, and a fully-armed Sea-King ASW/anti-ship helicopter, and Chine will think twice trespassing on our own territory

Beef up external defense my ass. The Philippines can't even afford to defend it's capital with anti aircraft SAMs.
Hindi nga mka afford ng simpleng 2nd hand na F-16...
The Philippine Army have HAWK SAMs.

sabog ba kamo??? yung nagbasa ang sumabog ang utak kung pano nya madidigest ang ganitong info...tip ko sa inyo, makipagkwetuhan kayo sa mga jew, sa paco meron doon, para malaman nyo ang totoo at matauhan kayo, us has only 11 aircraft carrier,china and thailand had both 1 each, but the true is us has 21 aircraft carrier all in all,the 10 carrier are in california,washington,alaska,loussiana, 2 in maine,maryland,florida, and 2 in hawaii...this are carriers that can submerge at 341 meters length, this are the subs of the future, invented on 1970's launch date will be 2030's the peak of asian powerhouse...watch my word for this...it uses deuterium bomb and lazer canons

^^lolz ... :lol:

sabog ba kamo??? yung nagbasa ang sumabog ang utak kung pano nya madidigest ang ganitong info...tip ko sa inyo, makipagkwetuhan kayo sa mga jew, sa paco meron doon, para malaman nyo ang totoo at matauhan kayo, us has only 11 aircraft carrier,china and thailand had both 1 each, but the true is us has 21 aircraft carrier all in all,the 10 carrier are in california,washington,alaska,loussiana, 2 in maine,maryland,florida, and 2 in hawaii...this are carriers that can submerge at 341 meters length, this are the subs of the future, invented on 1970's launch date will be 2030's the peak of asian powerhouse...watch my word for this...it uses deuterium bomb and lazer canons

well that's good... also for us...:lol:

The Philippine Army have HAWK SAMs.

the PA, even the whole AFP, doesn't have any SAM's in its official inventory.

US fears clashes in South China Sea—Gates
Agence France-Presse (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/3214/us-fears-clashes-in-south-china-sea%E2%80%94gates)
9:00 pm | Saturday, June 4th, 2011


SINGAPORE—(UPDATE) US Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned Saturday that clashes may erupt in the South China Sea unless nations with conflicting territorial claims adopt a mechanism to settle disputes peacefully.

“There are increasing concerns. I think we should not lose any time in trying to strengthen these mechanisms that I’ve been talking about for dealing with competing claims in the South China Sea,” he said.

“I fear that without rules of the road, without agreed approaches to deal with these problems, that there will be clashes. I think that serves nobody’s interests,” Gates told a security conference in Singapore, before flying to Kabul.

The islands at the center of the long-running dispute are the Paracel archipelago and the more southerly Spratlys, both potentially resource-rich outcrops that straddle strategic shipping lanes.
China, the Philippines, Taiwan, Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam have laid claim to overlapping sections of the territories.

Gates called on the countries involved to build on a 2002 agreement between the Association of Southeast Asian Nations and China setting a “code of conduct” aimed at resolving disputes peacefully.
Diplomatic tensions have risen in recent weeks following allegations of increased Chinese activity in the area.

On Friday, President Benigno Aquino said the country had documented up to seven incidents in less than four months in which China trespassed into what Manila considers its territorial waters.
One of the incidents involved a Chinese vessel allegedly opening fire on Filipino fishermen, he added.

In May, Chinese maritime ships confronted a Vietnamese oil exploration vessel between the Paracels and the Spratlys.

Hanoi also reported that Chinese ships fired warning shots at Vietnamese fishermen near the Spratly islands last Wednesday, which the Chinese foreign ministry has denied.

“As far as I know, the relevant reports are purely without foundation. China is dedicated to maintaining peace and stability in the South China Sea,” spokesman Hong Lei said in a statement.

“China wishes to work with relevant countries to make the South China Sea a sea of peace, friendship and cooperation.”

sabog ba kamo??? yung nagbasa ang sumabog ang utak kung pano nya madidigest ang ganitong info...tip ko sa inyo, makipagkwetuhan kayo sa mga jew, sa paco meron doon, para malaman nyo ang totoo at matauhan kayo, us has only 11 aircraft carrier,china and thailand had both 1 each, but the true is us has 21 aircraft carrier all in all,the 10 carrier are in california,washington,alaska,loussiana, 2 in maine,maryland,florida, and 2 in hawaii...this are carriers that can submerge at 341 meters length, this are the subs of the future, invented on 1970's launch date will be 2030's the peak of asian powerhouse...watch my word for this...it uses deuterium bomb and lazer canons

Oi alam mo ba nung year 2000 meron Alien battleship na naglanding sa Manila and pumasok sa isang hidden airbase sa Intamuros. Binigyan nila tayo ng 100 stealth fighter plane, submarines and destroyers. Sa sobrang stealth ay hindi mo sila makikita sa hangar ng Clark and Villamor Airbase. Pwede na natin lusubin ang china, malaysia and pati afghanistan:lol:

^^ Just ignore that nut-head. hahaha!

Baka special personnel siya sa Pentagon? hahaha! :D :D :D

ngayon lang ako naka encounter ng SSC forumer na sabog sa droga :ohno:

o baka naman lasenggo lang, with marijuana on top :lol: :lol: :lol:

ngayon lang ako naka encounter ng SSC forumer na sabog sa droga :ohno:

o baka naman lasenggo lang, with marijuana on top :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ahahaha! Matagal na po iyan. Dun sa ibang thread nagkalat yan bago lumipat! hehehe

Philippines shops for US military gear

Move to buy military gear comes amid tensions in Spratlys

By Michael Lim Ubac
Philippine Daily Inquirer (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/12084/philippines-shops-for-us-military-gear)
12:07 am | Sunday, June 5th, 2011


WASHINGTON, DC—Amid increasing concern over renewed tensions in the South China Sea, the Philippine Embassy here is shopping for excess defense equipment from the United States under Washington’s Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program.

Jose L. Cuisia Jr., the Philippine ambassador to the US, said he has asked the Department of National Defense and Armed Forces back home to provide him with a wish list of military equipment they will need to shore up the country’s defense capability.

He said he expected the defense department to “prioritize” its modernization goals, but was careful not to explicitly link the purchase of US excess defense articles to the Philippine military’s job of securing the territorial sovereignty of the country in the face of China’s alleged intrusions into the areas of the disputed Spratlys group claimed by the Philippines.

“There are defense articles that will be available, and that’s why I’m asking the Navy, Air Force and Army what their needs are,” said Cuisia who made this disclosure during a visit at the embassy here last week of former President Fidel Ramos.

It is part of Cuisia’s job to negotiate with US officials contracts for the purchase of US military hardware. The FMS program is a standardized method for the sale by the US of defense equipment, services and training to foreign countries and governments.

Cuisia said the negotiations with the US are only after the defense department, in consultation with the AFP, has determined “what the country needs.”

He said he has already seen the list provided by the Navy, but the other service commands—the Army and Air Force—have yet to come up with their own wish lists.


Hamilton class cutter

On May 13, Cuisia marked his debut as the new ambassador to Washington by signing the certificate of transfer of the decommissioned US Coast Guard Hamilton class cutter to the Philippines. (The cutters are called “Hamilton class” after their lead ship, the Hamilton, named after Alexander Hamilton, the first US Secretary of the Treasury.)

While in the US Coast Guard service, the vessel saw action in maritime safety and security missions, including drug and migrant interdiction, and search and rescue.

The patrol vessel, whose two 1,800 horsepower gas turbines can propel it to speeds of up to 28 knots, will be renamed the BRP Gregorio del Pilar. It is the biggest ship ever to be acquired by the Philippine Navy, and will be sailed to Manila next month.

Philippine military officials have high hopes of acquiring a few other relatively modern patrol ships as the US will retire eight more Coast Guard cutters over the next five years.

Cuisia, however, seemed lukewarm to purchasing a decommissioned US warship because of the high price tag, even if it’s being sold at a “very big discounted price.”

“Is that what we really need? Do we need another one, or do we need something else?” he said.

“Do we need a frigate? Maybe that’s not what we need. Maybe what we need are fast patrol boats to go after pirates, after Abu Sayyaf, etc.,” he said.


Caution vs arms buildup

Ramos warned Philippine defense officials against promoting an arms buildup in the Spratlys group, a reputedly oil-rich chain of islands and reefs, which is claimed wholly or in part by the Philippines, China, Malaysia, Brunei, Vietnam and Taiwan.

“There’s a buildup on many sides—even us. This is a little tiny buildup, which is the (purchase of a) Coast Guard cutter. Why don’t we use all this money that’s being budgeted for an arms buildup for peace, development and prosperity?” he said.

Escalating tensions in the Spratlys, which straddle busy international shipping lanes, is a relic of the Cold War, said the retired general who met with Cuisia and the Filipino community here during a 12-day swing of the US in May.

Ramos urged President Benigno Aquino III to accept an invitation from Chinese President Hu Jintao to visit Beijing. He said this would help ease the tension over China’s recent alleged intrusions.

As early as March, Mr. Aquino has been invited by China to make an official visit, but Malacañang has yet to set a date.


Joint patrol of rivals

Ramos envisions a “common defense” of the South China Sea instead of rival claimants locked in a perpetual war mode, pointing their arsenals against each other.

His proposed setup is akin to a joint patrol of contested waters in which all claimant countries would contribute forces to maintain peace and stability in the South China Sea.

“What do we do with these existing armies? Why don’t we in Asia Pacific agree to treat each other like partners in peace and prosperity instead of us potential rivals 10 years from now?” he said.

Ramos noted the marked changes in the global security environment after the fall of the Iron Curtain in 1989, which precipitated the disintegration of the Soviet Union and with it, the threat of international communism.

In both the Korean War and Vietnam War, the US had pursued a policy of containment, triggering the mushrooming of US military bases in Asia and around the world as the free world’s response to the advance of communism, he said.

The Philippines sided with the US in both wars, nurturing a political, economic and military relationship in post-World War II which did not always sit well with communist China.

But with China embracing capitalism, its economy is set to eclipse the US in 2016, as the International Monetary Fund recently predicted.


The real enemy

According to Ramos, the real enemy in the 21st century is no longer one country against the other.

“That’s outmoded. That’s a Cold War mentality,” he said.

“The force which is being applied one against the other and then continues to escalate should not just be identified with the No. 1 and No. 2 superpowers (the US and China) because who is the enemy? What is the enemy now? It’s international terrorism. It’s endemic disease. It’s climate change. It is poverty,” Ramos said.

“Can you imagine how much better the quality of life all around the world, especially in the Philippines and in China and in many parts of the world, would be if the huge amount of dollars, of yuan and pesos will be devoted to economic and social development?” he said.

The Ramos Peace and Development Foundation is working toward this goal of regional stability and prosperity, he said.

sabog ba kamo??? yung nagbasa ang sumabog ang utak kung pano nya madidigest ang ganitong info...tip ko sa inyo, makipagkwetuhan kayo sa mga jew, sa paco meron doon, para malaman nyo ang totoo at matauhan kayo, us has only 11 aircraft carrier,china and thailand had both 1 each, but the true is us has 21 aircraft carrier all in all,the 10 carrier are in california,washington,alaska,loussiana, 2 in maine,maryland,florida, and 2 in hawaii...this are carriers that can submerge at 341 meters length, this are the subs of the future, invented on 1970's launch date will be 2030's the peak of asian powerhouse...watch my word for this...it uses deuterium bomb and lazer canons
China does not have any carrier as of today, but they have 200 armed junks and 15-million bicycles. The people of China are 400-million are living in urbanized areas and 900-million are in the rural areas. The whole of China have 15-million small arms (AK 47s) while in the USA are more than 200-million small arms including civilians. Every household in the USA have at least seven different small arms per home.

For comparison purposes:
Only the 129,000-strong AFP and the 120,000-strong PNP have small arms, but for the civilians, 1-million are licensed and another 1-million are loosed firearms.

the PA, even the whole AFP, doesn't have any SAM's in its official inventory.
My source for the HAWK SAMs is, and it reads...

'... Equipment includes c. 35 light tanks (M41, Scorpion); 200+ APC (M113, Commando, AIFV, Chaimite, M3 1/2 tr); c. 250 guns/howitzers (105mm, 155mm); 60mm, 81mm, 107mm mortars; 75mm, 90mm, 106mm RCL; 20mm AA guns; HAWK SAM. ...'

source:
The Encyclopedia of WORLD MILITARY POWER, Editors: Chris Bishop and Ian Drury, p. 302

ngayon lang ako naka encounter ng SSC forumer na sabog sa droga :ohno:

o baka naman lasenggo lang, with marijuana on top :lol: :lol: :lol:
Let makatiprime to post more comments...

US sends destroyer to region amid Spratlys tension

THE United States is deploying the Pearl Harbor-based guided-missile destroyer USS Chung-Hoon to the Western Pacific amid escalating tension between China and its neighbors over the oil-rich Spratly islands.

The US Navy said the ship’s 280 sailors were expected to work with coalition partners also in the region. The vessel left the Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam base in Hawaii Wednesday.

Last year, the Chung-Hoon and the Philippine Coast Guard practiced boarding and searching vessels in the Sulu Sea when the destroyer went to the region.

The ship provided support for US and Philippine counterinsurgency efforts against militants in the southern part of the Philippines. It also participated in exercises with other United States forces off Guam and in drills with the Singapore navy.

The Obama administration was quietly shifting its strategic focus toward more emphasis on Southeast Asia, due to the recognition that the region’s importance is growing in the military, diplomatic, and trade arenas, the Foreign Policy magazine reported in its Web site Friday.

“[T]here has been really extraordinary progress made, particularly in the last couple of years or so with a number of countries in strengthening our military-to-military relationships and our overall relationship with Singapore, Indonesia, Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, Australia certainly, as well as our traditional allies in Thailand, Japan, and Korea,” Foreign Policy quoted outgoing US Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

On Thursday, President Aquino said the Philippines would file a new protest at the United Nations accusing China of territorial incursion.

China’s embassy in Manila earlier denied the Philippine government’s allegations its ships intruded into the Spratly Islands close to the Philippine coast to build new structures and fortify its claim in the potentially oil-rich region.

Mr. Aquino said he was still hoping to visit Beijing later this year.AP

source (http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideNews.htm?f=2011/june/4/news3.isx&d=2011/june/4)

sabog ba kamo??? yung nagbasa ang sumabog ang utak kung pano nya madidigest ang ganitong info...tip ko sa inyo, makipagkwetuhan kayo sa mga jew, sa paco meron doon, para malaman nyo ang totoo at matauhan kayo, us has only 11 aircraft carrier,china and thailand had both 1 each, but the true is us has 21 aircraft carrier all in all,the 10 carrier are in california,washington,alaska,loussiana, 2 in maine,maryland,florida, and 2 in hawaii...this are carriers that can submerge at 341 meters length, this are the subs of the future, invented on 1970's launch date will be 2030's the peak of asian powerhouse...watch my word for this...it uses deuterium bomb and lazer canons

LAzors! pewpew!:nuts:

baka nman C&C ang ibig mong sabihin?:lol::nuts:

Meron naka drugs dito. sino kaya yon???

Fantasy posters, who else? :ohno:


What is your source for the 150,000 tanks ?

Hallucination caused by Crystal Methane

Issue a 'baby' M-16 rifle with 6 x 30-round mags, a Beretta 9-mm pistol with 2 x 15-round mags, 2 grenades and a Rambo knife to each of the 129,000-strong AFP.

Only PMAers get issued with this set of armaments. By the way the baby M-16 is also known as M4.

Fast-track the AFP Modernization Program. In P-noy's term will be:

php 10-billion, 2011
php 10-billion, 2012
php 10-billion, 2013
php 10-billion, 2014
php 10-billion, 2015
php 10-billion, 2016

So, by this time, the Aquino administration have already allocated php 60-billion for the AFP. My wish list, like for example, 129,000 pistols, 129,000 'baby' M16 assault rifles, 100 light tanks, 250 APCs, 30 AIFVs, four 155-mm howitzers, eight frigates, 12 corvettes, 30 LSTs, 12 Apache attack helicopters, four C-130 transport planes, 36 trainer jets and 12 SAM units.

You forgot the squadron of MRFs :cheers:

An up-to-date BRP. Gregorio Del Pilar will kick that PLAN Missile destroyer.

BRP GDP fitted with ff:

2 CIWS
2 SEARAM
Harpoon/Exocet

Where did you get this info?

The Philippine Army have HAWK SAMs.

Huh? Source please....

sabog ba kamo??? yung nagbasa ang sumabog ang utak kung pano nya madidigest ang ganitong info...tip ko sa inyo, makipagkwetuhan kayo sa mga jew, sa paco meron doon, para malaman nyo ang totoo at matauhan kayo, us has only 11 aircraft carrier,china and thailand had both 1 each, but the true is us has 21 aircraft carrier all in all,the 10 carrier are in california,washington,alaska,loussiana, 2 in maine,maryland,florida, and 2 in hawaii...this are carriers that can submerge at 341 meters length, this are the subs of the future, invented on 1970's launch date will be 2030's the peak of asian powerhouse...watch my word for this...it uses deuterium bomb and lazer canons

Report this annoying poster!

US sends destroyer to region amid Spratlys tension

THE United States is deploying the Pearl Harbor-based guided-missile destroyer USS Chung-Hoon to the Western Pacific amid escalating tension between China and its neighbors over the oil-rich Spratly islands.

The US Navy said the ship’s 280 sailors were expected to work with coalition partners also in the region. The vessel left the Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam base in Hawaii Wednesday.

Last year, the Chung-Hoon and the Philippine Coast Guard practiced boarding and searching vessels in the Sulu Sea when the destroyer went to the region.

The ship provided support for US and Philippine counterinsurgency efforts against militants in the southern part of the Philippines. It also participated in exercises with other United States forces off Guam and in drills with the Singapore navy.

The Obama administration was quietly shifting its strategic focus toward more emphasis on Southeast Asia, due to the recognition that the region’s importance is growing in the military, diplomatic, and trade arenas, the Foreign Policy magazine reported in its Web site Friday.

“[T]here has been really extraordinary progress made, particularly in the last couple of years or so with a number of countries in strengthening our military-to-military relationships and our overall relationship with Singapore, Indonesia, Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, Australia certainly, as well as our traditional allies in Thailand, Japan, and Korea,” Foreign Policy quoted outgoing US Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

On Thursday, President Aquino said the Philippines would file a new protest at the United Nations accusing China of territorial incursion.

China’s embassy in Manila earlier denied the Philippine government’s allegations its ships intruded into the Spratly Islands close to the Philippine coast to build new structures and fortify its claim in the potentially oil-rich region.

Mr. Aquino said he was still hoping to visit Beijing later this year.AP

source (http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideNews.htm?f=2011/june/4/news3.isx&d=2011/june/4)

Uncle Sam to the rescue!

http://toocan.com/lunog/media/blogs/halibut/images/destroyer_chung_hoon.jpg

USS Chung-Hoon (DDG-93) is an Arleigh Burke-class guided missile Aegis destroyer serving in the United States Navy. Chung-Hoon was named in honor of Rear Admiral Gordon Pai'ea Chung-Hoon (Honolulu, Hawaii, July 25, 1910 – July 24, 1979) was an admiral in the United States Navy, who served during World War II, and the first Asian American (Chinese Hawaiian) flag officer.

On 12 March 2009, Fox News reported that Chung-Hoon was escorting USNS Impeccable (T-AGOS-23) after the latter had been harassed by Chinese vessels in waters 75 miles south of Hainan.

In 2010, the ship assisted the Philippine Navy in the Sulu Sea in operations against Islamic militants. After returning to Pearl Harbor, the ship redeployed to the western Pacific beginning on 1 June 2011.

Only PMAers get issued with this set of armaments. By the way the baby M-16 is also known as M4.
So, it means only a few soldiers are issued with the M4 carbine. How about our special operations command soldiers like the Scout Rangers, SFs and the PMC, are they issued also a set of these weapons ?

Issue a 'baby' M-16 rifle with 6 x 30-round mags, a Beretta 9-mm pistol with 2 x 15-round mags, 2 grenades and a Rambo knife to each of the 129,000-strong AFP.
Only PMA graduates are issued with this set of weapons according to gmaer, so only a few. Our PNP-SAF are issued with the FERFRANS SOARs, if I am not mistaken. The 2,500-strong Army Scout Ranger Regiment what weapon systems do they used ? Do our PMC uses the Ultimax 100 LMG as a squad weapon ? Do PMC NCOs use the M16/M203 combination ?

So, it means only a few soldiers are issued with the M4 carbine. How about our special operations command soldiers like the Scout Rangers, SFs and the PMC, are they issued also a set of these weapons ?

Soldiers under the Special Operations Command has the privilege of choosing their own weapon. The standard rifle for the Scout Rangers is the Steyr Aug. My grandpa was issued a Luger pistol by his own request when he was still a ranger during the very early years of the SR (1950s).

http://www.steyr-aug.com/AUG%20in%20Phillipines%2002.jpg

The Philippine Army have HAWK SAMs.

They were probably borrowed.

the PA, even the whole AFP, doesn't have any SAM's in its official inventory.

True! :cheers:

My source for the HAWK SAMs is, and it reads...

'... Equipment includes c. 35 light tanks (M41, Scorpion); 200+ APC (M113, Commando, AIFV, Chaimite, M3 1/2 tr); c. 250 guns/howitzers (105mm, 155mm); 60mm, 81mm, 107mm mortars; 75mm, 90mm, 106mm RCL; 20mm AA guns; HAWK SAM. ...'

source:
The Encyclopedia of WORLD MILITARY POWER, Editors: Chris Bishop and Ian Drury, p. 302

See Adroth's last reply... http://timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=5596.0

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2KZx17UBJoE/TD4y0yeNk6I/AAAAAAAAMvo/pcIQcviwQkQ/s1600/4794151118_85fecca327_b.jpg

US Coast Guard Cutter Mellon together with USS Chung Hoon

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2KZx17UBJoE/TD4y0yeNk6I/AAAAAAAAMvo/pcIQcviwQkQ/s1600/4794151118_85fecca327_b.jpg

US Coast Guard Cutter Mellon together with USS Chung Hoon

USS Chung-Hoon DDG-93 Destroyer of the US send to the Western Pacific region (http://betterphils.blogspot.com/2011/06/uss-chung-hoon-ddg-93-destroyer-of-us.html)

The Pearl Harbor-based guided-missile destroyer USS Chung-Hoon has deployed to the Western Pacific June 1, 2011.

The Navy says the ship's 280 sailors are expected to work with coalition partners also in the region. The vessel left Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam Wednesday morning.

Last year, the Chung-Hoon and the Philippine Coast Guard practiced boarding and searching vessels in the Sulu Sea when the destroyer went to the region.

The ship provided support for U.S. and Philippine counterinsurgency efforts against militants in the southern part of the Philippines. It also participated in exercises with other U.S. forces off Guam and in drills with the Singapore navy.

Chung-Hoon, commanded by Cmdr. Stephen S. Erb, is deploying under the Middle Pacific Surface Combatant deployment concept in which Pearl Harbor-based ships deploy in support of operations primarily in the Western Pacific. The crew of about 280 Sailors will conduct integrated operations in conjunction with coalition partners deployed to the Western Pacific.

Guided-missile destroyers are multi-mission anti-air warfare, anti-submarine warfare and anti-surface warfare surface combatants. They operate independently for support of carrier and expeditionary strike groups and surface strike groups.

Chung Hoon provides deterrence, promotes peace and security, preserves freedom of the sea and provides humanitarian assistance / disaster response as part of CNSG MIDPAC.

The guided-missile destroyers USS Chung-Hoon took part the combined alliance maritime and air readiness exercise "Invincible Spirit" in the seas east of the Korean peninsula from July 25-28, 2010 conducted by the Republic of Korea and the United States.

In March 2009, the heavily armed USS Chung-Hoon escorted the US navy surveillance ship Impeccable, which found itself at the centre of a naval standoff with Chinese boats in the South China Sea.

USS Chung-Hoon is the 15th Flight IIA Arleigh Burke- class guided missile destroyer and the first ship in the Navy named after Navy Rear Admiral Gordon P. Chung-Hoon.

It is armed with one Mk-45 5"/62 caliber lightweight gun, two Mk-41 VLS for Standard missiles and Tomahawk ASM/LAM, two 20mm Phalanx CIWS, two Mk-32 triple torpedo tubes for Mk-50 and Mk-46 torpedoes, according the U.S. Navy. It also has two SH-60 (LAMPS 3) helicopters

This US Navy warship will help the Philippine Navy BRP Gregorio Del Pilar guard the Spratly Islands when PF-15 arrives in August this year.

See Adroth's last reply... http://timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=5596.0
As I understand it, the USA lended to the AFP the HAWK SAMs to us only. One battery at Clark and one battery at Subic. My book was printed in 1987, so by the time it was issued for sale, the Americans were still in RP. Again, some of the AFP soldiers were trained to operate the HAWK SAMs in case of war with China and others...thanks for the info...I suspect that the HAWK SAMs are in a reserve status in RP soil...

hindi natin alam may mga armas tayo (Pilipinas) na tago, i mean secret, syempre hindi ilalabas ang mga yan, kaya secret weapon....malay natin diba?

http://www.steyr-aug.com/AUG%20in%20Phillipines%2002.jpg
Our Army Scout Ranger Regiment is the AFP's Rapid Deployment Force (RDF) in case of war...so every soldier of the FSRR were issued with the Steyr AUG assault rifle...

As I understand it, the USA lended to the AFP the HAWK SAMs to us only. One battery at Clark and one battery at Subic. My book was printed in 1987, so by the time it was issued for sale, the Americans were still in RP. Again, some of the AFP soldiers were trained to operate the HAWK SAMs in case of war with China and others...thanks for the info...I suspect that the HAWK SAMs are in a reserve status in RP soil...

Just like the Mistral MANPADS that were rumored to be a PSG secret weapon. Anyway its hard to prove this because people in Timawa.net and above all the DND has their mouth shut on these issues.

Our Army Scout Ranger Regiment is the AFP's Rapid Deployment Force (RDF) in case of war...so every soldier of the FSRR were issued with the Steyr AUG assault rifle...

The Philippine Army Scout Rangers' new combat uniform...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/enriquezdave/mil/edP3128167-1.jpg

China does not have any carrier as of today, but they have 200 armed junks and 15-million bicycles. The people of China are 400-million are living in urbanized areas and 900-million are in the rural areas. The whole of China have 15-million small arms (AK 47s) while in the USA are more than 200-million small arms including civilians. Every household in the USA have at least seven different small arms per home.

For comparison purposes:
Only the 129,000-strong AFP and the 120,000-strong PNP have small arms, but for the civilians, 1-million are licensed and another 1-million are loosed firearms.

china uses 1 aircraft carrier and our neighbor thailand too,you are correct that china has nearly 15 million of ak's but us alone has nearly 700,000 million fire arms a ratio of 2:1 fire arms to population...include hand guns,shotguns,and semi auto guns,the military fire arms is not included in the last fire arms inventory-registry of the us...

china uses 1 aircraft carrier and our neighbor thailand too,you are correct that china has nearly 15 million of ak's but us alone has nearly 700,000 million fire arms a ratio of 2:1 fire arms to population...include hand guns,shotguns,and semi auto guns,the military fire arms is not included in the last fire arms inventory-registry of the us...

China's aircraft carrier is still under development and will be in service by 2012.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/images/2011/04/12/thumbs/P03-110412-8.jpg

Thailand's aircraft carrier on the other hand is "inactive" due to its high operational cost but still in service on a single day per month for training, with the rest of the time spent alongside as a "part-time tourist attraction".

The ship rarely leaves the proximity of the Sattahip naval base, and when she does, it is usually to transport and host the Royal Family of Thailand.

Naval commentators consider Chakri Naruebet to be less an aircraft carrier and more the world's most expensive royal yacht, while the Thai media have nicknamed the ship "Thai-tanic", and consider her to be a white elephant.

http://cdn.wn.com/pd/53/86/79e76fb45af985a4f198c7ed70bb_grande.jpg

Singapore which has the most modern military in the ASEAN has no aircraft carrier. The Endurance-class amphibious transport docks are the biggest class of ships in the RSN.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4Ulhsnr0_Co/STwYnSxkFOI/AAAAAAAAAUA/c5AReUPTEzo/s400/2008-12-08_011904.png

The Philippine Navy also has a helicopter carrier capable of carrying 2-3 Huey helicopters.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e4/Garrett_County_AGP-786.jpg/250px-Garrett_County_AGP-786.jpg
BRP Kalinga-Apayao

tama lang naman na itago yan sa public, specially sa media, sino ba naman ang tanga na ipapaalam mo ang alas mo sa kalaban...

tama lang naman na itago yan sa public, specially sa media, sino ba naman ang tanga na ipapaalam mo ang alas mo sa kalaban...

It's the taxpayer's right to know where our taxes are spent. :)

Military honors peacekeepers today (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=693473&publicationSubCategoryId=63)
By Alexis Romero (The Philippine Star) Updated June 06, 2011 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Members of the 3rd Philippine contingent to the Golan Heights will be awarded United Nations service medals at Camp Aguinaldo in Quezon City today.

The 323-strong contingent concluded its six-month tour of duty recently.

Armed Forces chief Gen. Eduardo Oban Jr. said members of the contingent successfully performed their duties as peacekeepers.

“It is only natural for them to deserve the awards as merit to their honorable service of making lives better for the ordinary people and supporting the advocacy to a peaceful and stable global nation,” he said.

Commanded by Col. Sanny Gadot, the peacekeeping team consisted of 48 military officers and 275 enlisted personnel.

The contingent left for Golan Heights last November and returned home on May 18.

Armed Forces public affairs chief Col. Arnulfo Burgos Jr. said the peacekeepers would participate in the Independence Day parade on June 12.

The Philippines has been sending troops to the UN since 2009 as part of its commitment to uphold global peace.

The military first sent Filipino troops to the Golan Heights in November 2009.

The second Philippine peacekeeping team flew to the disputed territory in April 2010.

Last month, the Philippines sent its fourth peacekeeping contingent to Golan Heights composed of members of the 76th Infantry Battalion.

It was the first time an entire Army battalion was deployed to the Golan Heights as peacekeepers.

Military officials said the 76th Infantry Battalion was chosen for its achievements in clearing Southern Quezon province of communist rebels.

Around 1,200 UN troops and military observers from various countries have been tasked to ensure that Syria and Israel observe the ceasefire agreement.


http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss167/bluehelmets/UNDOF/IMG_2969.jpg

^^:ohno: so what's the use if there is no such things na hindi naman kumpleto ang lahat na mga accessories nito...

See http://www.unmannedsystemsasia.com/Event.aspx?id=465854
then click on Brigadier General Jose Mabanta (http://www.unmannedsystemsasia.com/Event.aspx?id=466326#brigadier_general_jose_m_abanta)'s name...

09.50 Practical Applications Of UAVs: Philippines’ Perspective

- Engaging with UAVs for disaster response
- Cost effectiveness of UAVs in combat operations
- Discussing operational experiences

Brigadier General Jose Mabanta
Commander, Civil Relations Services
ARMED FORCES OF THE PHILIPPINES

Philippines shops for US military gear
http://ph.news.yahoo.com/philippines-shops-us-military-gear-091003892.html


Washington D.C. (Philippine Daily Inquirer/ANN) - Amid increasing concern over renewed tensions in the South China Sea, the Philippine Embassy here is shopping for excess defence equipment from the United States under Washington¿s Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programme.
Jose L. Cuisia Jr., the Philippine ambassador to the US, said he has asked the national defence department and armed forces back home to provide him with a wish list of military equipment they will need to shore up the country¿s defence capability.
He said he expected the defence department to ¿prioritise¿ its modernisation goals, but was careful not to explicitly link the purchase of US excess defence articles to the Philippine military¿s job of securing the territorial sovereignty of the country in the face of China¿s alleged intrusions into the areas of the disputed Spratlys group claimed by the Philippines.
There are defence articles that will be available, and that¿s why I¿m asking the Navy, Air Force and Army what their needs are," said Cuisia who made this disclosure during a visit at the embassy here last week of former President Fidel Ramos.
It is part of Cuisia¿s job to negotiate with US officials contracts for the purchase of US military hardware. The FMS programme is a standardised method for the sale by the US of defence equipment, services and training to foreign countries and governments.
Cuisia said the negotiations with the US are only after the defence department, in consultation with the military, has determined ¿what the country needs¿.
He said he has already seen the list provided by the Navy, but the other service commands¿the Army and Air Force¿have yet to come up with their own wish lists.
Hamilton class cutter
On May 13, Cuisia marked his debut as the new ambassador to Washington by signing the certificate of transfer of the decommissioned US Coast Guard Hamilton class cutter to the Philippines. (The cutters are called ¿Hamilton class¿ after their lead ship, the Hamilton, named after Alexander Hamilton, the first US Secretary of the Treasury.)
While in the US Coast Guard service, the vessel saw action in maritime safety and security missions, including drug and migrant interdiction, and search and rescue.
The patrol vessel, whose two 1,800 horsepower gas turbines can propel it to speeds of up to 28 knots, will be renamed the BRP Gregorio del Pilar. It is the biggest ship ever to be acquired by the Philippine Navy, and will be sailed to Manila next month.
Philippine military officials have high hopes of acquiring a few other relatively modern patrol ships as the US will retire eight more Coast Guard cutters over the next five years.
Cuisia, however, seemed lukewarm to purchasing a decommissioned US warship because of the high price tag, even if it¿s being sold at a ¿very big discounted price¿.
Is that what we really need? Do we need another one, or do we need something else?" he said.
¿Do we need a frigate? Maybe that¿s not what we need. Maybe what we need are fast patrol boats to go after pirates, after Abu Sayyaf, etc.," he said.
Caution vs arms buildup
Ramos warned Philippine defence officials against promoting an arms buildup in the Spratlys group, a reputedly oil-rich chain of islands and reefs, which is claimed wholly or in part by the Philippines, China, Malaysia, Brunei, Vietnam and Taiwan.
¿There¿s a buildup on many sides¿even us. This is a little tiny buildup, which is the (purchase of a) Coast Guard cutter. Why don¿t we use all this money that¿s being budgeted for an arms buildup for peace, development and prosperity?" he said.
Escalating tensions in the Spratlys, which straddle busy international shipping lanes, is a relic of the Cold War, said the retired general who met with Cuisia and the Filipino community here during a 12-day swing of the US in May.
Ramos urged Philippine President Benigno Aquino III to accept an invitation from Chinese President Hu Jintao to visit Beijing. He said this would help ease the tension over China¿s recent alleged intrusions.
As early as March, Aquino has been invited by China to make an official visit, but Malacañang has yet to set a date.
Joint patrol of rivals
Ramos envisions a ¿common defence¿ of the South China Sea instead of rival claimants locked in a perpetual war mode, pointing their arsenals against each other.
His proposed setup is akin to a joint patrol of contested waters in which all claimant countries would contribute forces to maintain peace and stability in the South China Sea.
What do we do with these existing armies? Why don¿t we in Asia Pacific agree to treat each other like partners in peace and prosperity instead of us potential rivals 10 years from now?" he said.
Ramos noted the marked changes in the global security environment after the fall of the Iron Curtain in 1989, which precipitated the disintegration of the Soviet Union and with it, the threat of international communism.
In both the Korean War and Viet Nam War, the US had pursued a policy of containment, triggering the mushrooming of US military bases in Asia and around the world as the free world¿s response to the advance of communism, he said.
The Philippines sided with the US in both wars, nurturing a political, economic and military relationship in post-World War II which did not always sit well with communist China.
But with China embracing capitalism, its economy is set to eclipse the US in 2016, as the International Monetary Fund recently predicted.
The real enemy
According to Ramos, the real enemy in the 21st century is no longer one country against the other.
Thats outmoded. Thats a Cold War mentality," he said.
The force which is being applied one against the other and then continues to escalate should not just be identified with the No 1 and No 2 superpowers (the US and China) because who is the enemy? What is the enemy now? It¿s international terrorism. It¿s endemic disease. It¿s climate change. It is poverty," Ramos said.
Can you imagine how much better the quality of life all around the world, especially in the Philippines and in China and in many parts of the world, would be if the huge amount of dollars, of yuan and pesos will be devoted to economic and social development?" he said.
The Ramos Peace and Development Foundation is working toward this goal of regional stability and prosperity, he said.

Looking at the Hamilton class cutter besides the Burke class destroyer and once we have the complete fleet of 3 to 8 Hamiltons in service, our Navy will no longer look pathetic beside the mighty US Navy ships during naval exercises and drills..

^^ definitely.. the Hamilton is just around 100ft. shorter than the Arleigh Burke destroyer and is almost exactly the same length as the Oliver Hazard-Perry frigate..

Aquino names unknown envoy to China

By Norman Bordadora
Philippine Daily Inquirer
12:58 am | Sunday, June 5th, 2011

President Benigno Aquino III has appointed an ambassador to China even as the government plans to bring reported Chinese intrusions into Philippine territory to the attention of the United Nations.

Deputy Presidential Spokesperson Abigail Valte said the Office of the Executive Secretary (OES) has confirmed that Domingo Lee has been appointed to Beijing.

But Malacañang could not immediately provide any background information on Lee. Valte said she had no resume on Lee while repeated text messages to officers at the OES yielded no reply.

Reacting to a newspaper report that some diplomats had expressed doubts about Lee measuring up to the task due to his lack of experience in the foreign service, Valte said Mr. Aquino has always appointed people that he was confident about and who were competent.

“For every appointment that is made by the President, we always said that the appointment was based on trust and the competence and capability of the appointee,” Valte said over government radio dzRB. “That being said, I think it would be more prudent if we would wait for the person to do his job before we make any judgment based on his capability rather than having a comment just because we heard the name.”

Valte added that a venue was available for those with concerns about an appointee’s qualifications. “And that would be the Commission on Appointments,” she said.

Reports say that Lee, who will be replacing Francisco Benedicto, is a family friend of the Aquinos.

Asked if the President might have chosen a more capable person to head the embassy in Beijing, Valte said, “We would not wish to question the President’s judgment on this.”

“He is the appointing power. He’s the one that sees what is not commonly known. It’s the President who really sees the broad spectrum of things and, given that point of view, he’s in a position to say who would be more of a good fit for that post,” Valte said.

Mr. Aquino plans to visit China this year amid complications in the relations between Manila and Beijing due to reports of Chinese incursions into Philippine territory in the western side of the country.

In Brunei recently, Mr. Aquino told reporters that the government was preparing to present to the UN the alleged incidents of Chinese intrusion into Philippine territory.

source: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/12100/aquino-names-unknown-envoy-to-china

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PROTEST IN HANOI. A man shouts anti-China slogans during a protest against the alleged invasion of Vietnamese territory by Chinese ships in disputed waters, in Hanoi on June 5, 2011. Several hundred people gathered for a rare protest in front of China's embassy in Hanoi on Sunday, against the alleged invasion of Vietnamese territory by Chinese ships in disputed waters. AFP PHOTO

China's aircraft carrier is still under development and will be in service by 2012.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/images/2011/04/12/thumbs/P03-110412-8.jpg

Thailand's aircraft carrier on the other hand is "inactive" due to its high operational cost but still in service on a single day per month for training, with the rest of the time spent alongside as a "part-time tourist attraction".

The ship rarely leaves the proximity of the Sattahip naval base, and when she does, it is usually to transport and host the Royal Family of Thailand.

Naval commentators consider Chakri Naruebet to be less an aircraft carrier and more the world's most expensive royal yacht, while the Thai media have nicknamed the ship "Thai-tanic", and consider her to be a white elephant.

http://cdn.wn.com/pd/53/86/79e76fb45af985a4f198c7ed70bb_grande.jpg

Singapore which has the most modern military in the ASEAN has no aircraft carrier. The Endurance-class amphibious transport docks are the biggest class of ships in the RSN.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4Ulhsnr0_Co/STwYnSxkFOI/AAAAAAAAAUA/c5AReUPTEzo/s400/2008-12-08_011904.png

The Philippine Navy also has a helicopter carrier capable of carrying 2-3 Huey helicopters.

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BRP Kalinga-Apayao

Relax: China’s First Aircraft Carrier is a Piece of Junk (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/relax-chinas-first-aircraft-carrier-is-a-piece-of-junk/)

By David Axe | June 1, 2011 | 11:14 am

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2011/05/carrier-varyag-now-shi-lang-plan13-2007-dalian-overhead1-660x330.jpg

Her new guns are installed. Her light-gray paint job has dried. Her airplanes are flying and her engines are turning. Thirteen years after she was purchased from Ukraine half-complete and lacking engines, the Chinese navy’s very first aircraft carrier is ready to set sail from Dalian shipyard in northeast China. The former Soviet carrier Varyag, renamed Shi Lang in Chinese service, could begin sea trials this summer.

Just how worried should the world be?

The answer depends on who you ask. To China’s closest neighbors, the prospect of a carrier speeding heavily-armed Chinese jet fighters across the world’s oceans is an alarming one. But the U.S. Navy, the world’s leading carrier power and arguably the Chinese navy’s biggest rival, seems oddly unaffected.

There are good reasons for the Pentagon’s calm. For starters, Shi Lang, pictured above, could be strictly a training carrier, meant to pave the way for bigger, more capable carriers years or decades in the future.

But even if she is meant for combat, there’s probably little reason to fear Shi Lang. A close study of the 990-foot-long vessel — plus the warships and airplanes she’ll sail with — reveals a modestly-sized carrier lacking many of the elements that make U.S. flattops so powerful.

When Shi Lang finally gets underway in coming months, she will boost the ability of the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) to patrol airspace over contested sea zones, provided they’re not too far from the Chinese mainland. And more to the point, she’ll look good doing it. “I think the change in perception by the region will be significant,” Adm. Robert Willard, commander of U.S. Pacific forces, told the Senate in April.

Willard said he is “not concerned” about the ship’s military impact.

we need leaders with balance..brave leaders who can act. But also a leader with a cool head and not take drastic actions. We cannot dwell on the past despite once having one of the strongest defense forces in Asia..thats was long long time ago..we need to focus to fix "WHAT IS NOW"....kawawa talaga all sectors of our defence force lalo na Airforce at Navy. There must be no mercy on all the se general and all othe accountable people on AFP. I have to say my blood boils when I see Gen. Ligot and his wife.

anyway the arrival of the Single hamilton class cutter will be a big boost plus the helicopters from poland?..are these gonna be the civillian or combat variant?...we need something the can patrol our coastline efficiently.

Realistically we need them asap.....while there is abudget constraint, surely there must be a second hand aircraft we can get? and it need to e specific at that.
if its "NOW" i dont think we should get F-16 as priority...its a more of a dog fighter...not really a patrol aircraft..better a hornet (and I'm not even saying a super-hornet)....it can patrol and is air superiorty....ofcourse if budget is not a problem then the options are limitless...rafele's, f-35s, gripens and eurofighter.

heck even an older mig-29 or sukhoi su27 is miles better than what our airforce have. something that Malaysia and Vietnam has. Kawawa naman mga Airforce pilots natin. whats the point of getting more trainer aircrafts with no actual aircraft to fly in.

what will they do?...send the small fleet of S-211 on South China Sea....we need to show we mean business to be taken seriosly..because we are seen as push overs sad to say...This starts with leadership though...

I wonder what would happen (to our defence force specifically) if the marcoses were in charge up to now.......ofcourse im not saying it will be good or bad for the country...but it got me curiuos how they would have managed our arm forces capability by now specificaly...

It's the taxpayer's right to know where our taxes are spent. :)

i strongly agree.. kya dapat iduscuss to sa public.. para alm na rin natin ang gagawin in times of war.. :D

Relax: China’s First Aircraft Carrier is a Piece of Junk (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/relax-chinas-first-aircraft-carrier-is-a-piece-of-junk/)

By David Axe | June 1, 2011 | 11:14 am

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2011/05/carrier-varyag-now-shi-lang-plan13-2007-dalian-overhead1-660x330.jpg

what do we expect?? that's "made in china" :D

what do we expect?? that's "made in china" :D

Their aircraft carrier design is obsolete already. Naval powers are now shifting towards Nuclear Powered Carriers, similar to Nimitz Class of USA.

We shouldn't fear China. Most of their hardwares are near obsolescence. They just solely rely on numbers.

Russia, wouldn't sell them PAK-FA 50, since India is a stakeholder of the project. They're under arms embargo of US and some EU countries.

Any attempt of China to be a World's superpower will immediately slammed by Western Powers. They won't allow the shift of power towards east.

Piece of junk my ass. As long as planes can deploy themselves from a mobile airstrip, we are in grave danger.
And to y'all numbnuts out there; the "western powers" are in a debacle. China is unopposed, and will be unopposed. Don't give in to the blind optimism.

Piece of junk my ass. As long as planes can deploy themselves from a mobile airstrip, we are in grave danger.
And to y'all numbnuts out there; the "western powers" are in a debacle. China is unopposed, and will be unopposed. Don't give in to the blind optimism.

Why are you so fearful ?

Even if they can deploy planes from that carriers, it's not enough to cause dread in SEA. It only takes few ballistic missiles to sink that carrier.

We are modernizing our military in an unprecedented pace. US is slowly shifting priorities towards SEA. Australia also want's to join the pray. Once provoked, ASEAN (except the China's lapdog : Malaysia and Cambodia) are ready for Battle.

Piece of junk my ass. As long as planes can deploy themselves from a mobile airstrip, we are in grave danger.
And to y'all numbnuts out there; the "western powers" are in a debacle. China is unopposed, and will be unopposed. Don't give in to the blind optimism.

sir, the topic is if the us must fear china, not us.. well in terms of equipment we must but in terms of relations especially to U.S. are they? :D


In the latest ranking of worlds stongest military

Out of 181 contries

1 United States
2 Russia
3 China
4 India
5 Germany
6 France
7 Japan
8 Turkey
9 Brazil
10 Great Britain
11 Italy
12 South Korea
13 Indonesia
14 Mexico
15 Canada
16 Iran
17 Egypt
18 North Korea
19 Spain
20 Pakistan
21 Australia
22 Saudi Arabia
23 Thailand
24 Argentina
25 Sweden
26 Israel
27 Greece
28 Taiwan
29 Syria
30 Philippines
31 Poland
32 Ukraine
33 Norway
34 Iraq
35 Libya
36 Venezuela
37 Lebanon
38 Nepal
39 Afghanistan

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

who said that we are the weakest?? don't down yourself...

^
Strength according to Numbers :)

It's just a conjecture. Israel who's 11th in the rank can turn China into a Wasteland.

the aircraft carrier of china was a former soviet ship

^
Strength according to Numbers :)

It's just a conjecture. Israel who's 11th in the rank can turn China into a Wasteland.

:lol::lol::lol:

and that's what our allies are...:nuts:

MUTUAL-DEFENSE TREATY

Article V

For the purpose of Article IV, an armed attack on either of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack on the metropolitan territory of either of the Parties, or on the island territories under its jurisdiction in the Pacific or on its armed forces, public vessels or aircraft in the Pacific.

The South China Sea is a marginal sea that is part of the Pacific Ocean, encompassing an area from the Singapore and Malacca Straits to the Strait of Taiwan of around 3,500,000 square kilometres (1,350,000 sq mi).


Source : Wikipedia

I had this stupid question in my mind.

Does the MDT extend up to Reed Bank ? Since this area is part of our Territory (through EEZ). In the event that China build an Oil-rig within our sovereign area, (it's a clear violation of our sovereignty) can use this treaty to ward the off ?

^^ kaya nga nand2 na yung USS Chung-Hoon to support the navy patroling in the spratly's..:banana: diba yun ang sabi sa MDT The overall accord contained eight articles and dictated that both nations would support each other if either the Philippines or the United States were to be attacked by an external party. pero pag inatake na tayo ibang usapan na yun..

saka kung mag sususport man ang US malamang baka patago lng yun para matupad yung MDT... siguro for security reasons..

anyway the arrival of the Single hamilton class cutter will be a big boost plus the helicopters from poland?..are these gonna be the civillian or combat variant?...we need something the can patrol our coastline efficiently.

The Polish Sokol helicopters are the military variant classified as Combat Utility Helicopters (CUH) which is the same as the older Huey helicopters but of course more armaments and avionics.


heck even an older mig-29 or sukhoi su27 is miles better than what our airforce have. something that Malaysia and Vietnam has. Kawawa naman mga Airforce pilots natin. whats the point of getting more trainer aircrafts with no actual aircraft to fly in.

To prepare our pilots to fly multi-million dollar fighter jets in the future.


I wonder what would happen (to our defence force specifically) if the marcoses were in charge up to now.......ofcourse im not saying it will be good or bad for the country...but it got me curiuos how they would have managed our arm forces capability by now specificaly...

The Philippine Navy was one of the best navies in Asia during Marcos Regime. Ironically, the Philippine Navy doesn't have guided missiles back then until now.

FYI the Indonesian Navy was trained by the Philippine Navy.

The Philippine Army Scout Rangers' new combat uniform...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/enriquezdave/mil/edP3128167-1.jpg
A Smart-looking uniform. This Army Ranger is a Sniper, he is armed with the old M14 rifle with scope and a flash-suppressor...at the background is a SAW or Squad Automatic Weapon.

Their aircraft carrier design is obsolete already. Naval powers are now shifting towards Nuclear Powered Carriers, similar to Nimitz Class of USA.

We shouldn't fear China. Most of their hardwares are near obsolescence. They just solely rely on numbers.

Russia, wouldn't sell them PAK-FA 50, since India is a stakeholder of the project. They're under arms embargo of US and some EU countries.

Any attempt of China to be a World's superpower will immediately slammed by Western Powers. They won't allow the shift of power towards east.

And now the US Navy is developing a new breed of supercarriers called the Gerald R. Ford-class (http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/cvn-21/) which will replace the 3 Nimitz-class aircraft carriers a decade from now.


Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) - Scheduled to replace Enterprise (CVN-65) in 2015.
John F. Kennedy (CVN-79) – Scheduled to replace Nimitz (CVN-68) in 2018.
unnamed (CVN-80) – Scheduled to replace Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69) in 2021.


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Why are you so fearful ?

Even if they can deploy planes from that carriers, it's not enough to cause dread in SEA. It only takes few ballistic missiles to sink that carrier.

We are modernizing our military in an unprecedented pace. US is slowly shifting priorities towards SEA. Australia also want's to join the pray. Once provoked, ASEAN (except the China's lapdog : Malaysia and Cambodia) are ready for Battle.

The US Navy has far more superior experience in using aircraft carriers since Wolrd War 1 than China which will have an aircraft carrier for the FIRST TIME and it is a former Soviet carrier! The Russians never perfected aircraft carrier technology that's why they only have one - the Admiral Flota Sovetskovo Soyuza Kuznetsov and it uses STOBAR to "jump" their jets because they cannot imitate the CATOBAR technology used by the US Navy. The Russian Navy has abandoned so many aircraft carrier projects in the past and China is using them to create their own... Good Luck to them!

the aircraft carrier of china was a former soviet ship

Sa wakas tumama ka rin! :banana:

the aircraft carrier of china was a former soviet ship
Actually, it's the former old Soviet KIEV-Class aircraft carrier. No match to the USN's Nimitz-Class Super carriers...

Hopefully these developments will finally catapult the modernization of our military. :)

The chinese military may be a piece of junk compared to their American or European counterparts, but it is much much stronger to bully us around in the spratlys. And all we can do is to file a diplomatic protest.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/-depth/06/02/11/china-fired-filipino-fishermen-jackson-atoll

“This is Chinese Warship 560. You are in the China territory. Leave the area immediately.”

Upon hearing this warning through a marine band radio, three Philippine boats fishing in Quirino, or Jackson atoll, a Philippine-claimed islet off Palawan in the disputed Spratly Islands, scampered away.

But the Chinese warship still fired three shots at the vessels F/V Jaime DLS, F/V Mama Lydia DLS and F/V Maricris 12. The Philippine Nay later identified the Chinese warship as Dongguan, a Jianghu-V Class missile frigate.

The incident in the South China Sea happened on Feb. 25—before March when the Philippine-commissioned seismic vessel was reportedly harassed in Reed Bank in western Palawan and before the Chinese vessels laid steel posts and a buoy in May in the Amy Douglas (Iroquois) Bank southwest of Reed Bank which Manila said is within its 200-mile exclusive economic zone.

Yet while the Philippine government protested the March and May incidents, one by note verbale another verbally, it did no such thing about the February incident.

Jackson atoll is a ring-shaped coral reef that has closely spaced islands on it encircling a lagoon. It is a rich fishing ground within Palawan’s 200-nautical-mile exclusive economic zone and belongs to the Kalayaan Island Group (KIG) which under Philippine law is part of the country’s regime of islands.

A military report seen by VERA Files said that on Feb. 25, while anchored at Jackson atoll, the three Philippine fishing boats were approached by the Chinese warship, which introduced itself through a marine band radio and demanded that the Filipino fishermen leave at once.

F/V Maricris 12, however, experienced trouble removing its anchor, and its captain, Russel De la Cruz, pleaded with the Chinese warship, also through a marine band radio to “please wait for a while.”

“However, the Chinese warship repeatedly answered, ‘I will shoot you.’ Then, De la Cruz heard three consecutive gunshots and saw the projectiles hit the surface of the water 0.3 nautical miles away from the position of F/V Maricris,” the military report said.

F/V Maricris 12 had to cut its anchor lines in order to flee from what it sensed was imminent danger.

The gunshots were also heard by F/V Jaime DLS, which reported the incident by radio to the Philippine Navy detachment on Lawak Island which, in turn, relayed it to the Naval Station on Pag-Asa island until it reached the Naval Forces West headquarters in Palawan.

The three beleaguered fishing vessels proceeded to the Philippine-occupied Lawak where they sought refuge for two days. The Chinese warship was later sighted southeast of Lawak toward Patag Island, also held by the Philippines.

According to the military report, when F/V Maricris 12 returned to Jackson atoll on Feb. 28 to retrieve its anchor, it sighted three Chinese fishing vessels colored blue, red and green, exploiting the marine resources in the area.

The oil-rich Spratlys chain in the South China Sea is being claimed in part by the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei and wholly by China, Taiwan and Vietnam. Of the more or less 160 islands, Vietnam occuppies 25 islands; China, 12; the Philippines, nine; Malaysia, five, and Taiwan, one. Brunei does not occupy a single geographical feaure but has established a fishing zone that overlaps a southern reef.

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin expressed alarm at the increasing Chinese incursions in the hotly contested Spratly Islands.

“Dumami yung intrusions. Ibig sabihin e, yung mga areas nasa lugar natin na wala tayong mga gwardya ay doon ang nilalagyan nila. In other words, gusto nila magtanim ng mga bandera nila sa ganun masabi nila sa kanila yung area (The incursions are rising. This means they are positioning themselves in areas that are ours but are unguarded. In other words, they want to plant flags to claim these places),” Gazmin said in a briefing Wednesday.

Besides the recent incidents at Jackson atoll, Reed Bank and Amy Douglas Bank, a Chinese marine vessel with a flat bed was sighted in Abad Santos or Bombay shoal on May 6, and the the Chinese Marine Surveillance ship 75 and Salvage/research Ship 707 were spotted steaming toward Southern Bank on May 21.

Armed Forces chief Eduardo Oban said the military will maintain the level of force in the disputed islands, but will also increase the operational tempo of its routine patrols and reconnaissance flights within the country’s terroritorial boundaries.

On Tuesday, the Department of Foreign Affairs summoned the charge d’affaires of the Chinese Embassy in Manila to seek clarification on the recent sightings of a China Marine Surveillance (CMS) vessel and other People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) ships at the vicinity of the Amy Douglas Bank.

The Philippine Navy, through the fishermen, had recovered steel posts with Chinese markings that were put up in the area, according to Oban.

Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert F. del Rosario said, “Any new construction by China in the vicinity of the uninhabited Amy Douglas Bank is a clear violation of the 2002 ASEAN-China Declaration on the Conduct of Parties (DOC) in the South China Sea.”

The Chinese vessels were first sighted by fishermen on May 24 and reported to the Philippine Navy the following day.

After receiving the report on May 26, the Navy headquarters in Manila ordered a ship deployed to the area to verify the sighting. Bad weather, however, hampered the immediate deployment of the ship to Amy Douglas.

By May 29, the Chinese vessels were no longer in the area, the posts had been dismantled and turned over to the Navy, and the buoy was no longer there.

The AFP intelligence department briefed Gazmin and Oban on the developments in the KIG on Monday and later Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario.

On Tuesday, the Chinese embassy official was summoned to the Department of Foreign Affairs. The Cabinet’s National Security Cluster met at the Villamor Airbase regarding the incident shortly before the President left for a state visit in Brunei, and a statement was subsequently issued by the DFA.

The DFA, however, did not hand the Chinese embassy a note verbale when it summoned the charge d’affaires on Tuesday.

This was unlike the diplomatic protest it issued in March when Chinese boats ordered a Philippine seismic vessel in Reed Bank to leave, and even maneuvered close to the Philippine vessel at least twice, apparently to show they would ram it.

The diplomatic protest seen by VERA Files raised four points to prove that Reed Bank is not part of the disputed area by projecting 85 nautical miles from the basepoint in the northern part of Palawan and not from the KIG. China questioned this during meetings with the Philippines, but did not reply in a diplomatic note.

The military acknowledged its lack of capability to confront foreign enemies, but said it is ready to defend the country. But it said it prefers diplomatic means as the first option in dealing with the South China Sea dispute.

“The option open to us is first the diplomatic protest. We are in no position to confront the forces that are intruding in our territory simply because we don't have the capability,” Gazmin said.

He said the Chinese intrude into the disputed areas by initially setting up posts and then laying buoys to claim an area. The posts eventually become a lighthouse.

“Once this becomes a lighthouse these are boundaries of territories. So once that is established they can always claim that is theirs,” the defense secretary said. “That is why it is our responsibility to make sure that this doesn't happen now and in the future.”

He said the military is upgrading the capability of its maritime assets in the area to better guard the islands. “Hand-in-hand with this is the organization of our fishermen who provide us the necessary information and documentation needed to file a formal diplomatic protest,” Gazmin said.

Actually, it's the former old Soviet KIEV-Class aircraft carrier. No match to the USN's Nimitz-Class Super carriers...

To add to that and make some corrections,

China bought the unfinished Soviet aircraft carrier Varyag in 2001 from Ukraine, supposedly to turn it into a floating casino. Pictures taken while in port suggest this plan has been abandoned and show that work is being carried out to maintain its military function.

In mid-2000, the Dutch ITC tugboat Suhaili with a Filipino crew was hired to take Varyag under tow.

Varyag was to be an Admiral Kuznetsov class multirole aircraft carrier in the Soviet Navy in the late 1980s but construction stopped in 1992 (60% completed).

China's 1st aircraft carrier was based on the Soviet Varyag aircraft carrier.

Since 1985, China has acquired four retired aircraft carriers for study: the Australian HMAS Melbourne and the ex-Soviet carriers Minsk, Kiev and Varyag.

Reports state that two 50,000-60,000 ton Type 089 aircraft carriers based on the Varyag, are due to be finished by 2015.

Sukhoi Su-33s (navalized Flankers) are the aircraft most likely to be flown from these carriers, but China is also developing its own version of the Sukhoi 33, the J-15 Flying Shark.

http://www.diecastairbase.pl/hangar/gaincorp/images/img_04.jpg
The Chinese Navy J-15 Flying Shark

And now the US Navy is developing a new breed of supercarriers called the Gerald R. Ford-class (http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/cvn-21/) which will replace the 3 Nimitz-class aircraft carriers a decade from now.


Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) - Scheduled to replace Enterprise (CVN-65) in 2015.
John F. Kennedy (CVN-79) – Scheduled to replace Nimitz (CVN-68) in 2018.
unnamed (CVN-80) – Scheduled to replace Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69) in 2021.


http://carsmedia.ign.com/cars/image/article/815/815627/gerald-r-ford-class-aircraft-carrier-20070824021850173-000.jpg
Is she a 100,000-tonner with a hundred aircraft type super carrier with nuclear propulsion ?

Is she a 100,000-tonner with a hundred aircraft type super carrier with nuclear propulsion ?

Quoted from my source... http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/cvn-21/

The Gerald R Ford class carriers will be of about the same displacement, about 100,000t, as its predecessor the Nimitz class George HW Bush (CVN 77) but will have about 500 to 900 fewer crew members.

The carrier will be armed with the Raytheon evolved Sea Sparrow missile (ESSM), which defends against high-speed, highly manoeuvrable anti-ship missiles. The close-in weapon system is the rolling airframe missile (RAM) from Raytheon and Ramsys GmbH.

The carrier will be capable of carrying up to about 90 aircraft including the F-35 joint strike fighter, F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, E-2D Advanced Hawkeye, EA-18G, MH-60R/S helicopters and unmanned air vehicles and unmanned combat air vehicles.

Northrop Grumman is developing the advanced nuclear propulsion system and a zonal electrical power distribution system for the CVN 21.

It was designed to be more economical but far more advanced than its predecessors and competitors.

:lol::lol::lol:

and that's what our allies are...:nuts:

^
Strength according to Numbers :)

It's just a conjecture. Israel who's 11th in the rank can turn China into a Wasteland.

One forgotten battle involving numbers between Philippines and China occurred during the Korean War. The scanty Filipino Battalion successfully defended the Yultong Bridge from being overran by hordes of North Koreans and Chinese ramming through the Allied defense. (http://rokdrop.com/2008/05/07/heroes-of-the-korean-war-lieutenant-colonel-dionisio-ojeda-part-1/). :cheers::cheers:

One forgotten battle involving numbers between Philippines and China occurred during the Korean War. The scanty Filipino Battalion successfully defended the Yultong Bridge from being overran by hordes of North Koreans and Chinese ramming through the Allied defense. (http://rokdrop.com/2008/05/07/heroes-of-the-korean-war-lieutenant-colonel-dionisio-ojeda-part-1/). :cheers::cheers:

generally, philippines is physically ready for war.. and our soldiers are highly tested on ground combats and operations.

but on the equipments.. not so sure..:nuts:

Meanwhile....

PH pushes rules-based approach

By Jerry Esplanada
Philippine Daily Inquirer
4:11 am | Tuesday, June 7th, 2011

MANILA, Philippines—A rules-based approach provides the key to securing the country’s claims to the Spratly Islands and advancing the peaceful settlement of disputes in the South China Sea, Foreign Secretary Alberto del Rosario said on Monday.

In a statement, Del Rosario emphasized that “where there are disputes, rules provide an effective tool for peaceful and fair resolution.”

“The Philippine policy in the South China Sea—both with respect to securing its terrestrial and maritime domains and advocating dispute resolution and joint cooperation where applicable—is grounded on an unwavering adherence to international law,” he said.

Since international law must be observed, he said, “it behooves the Philippines to embrace this imperative to the fullest.”

“We expect nothing less from our international partners,” Del Rosario said, referring to the other Spratlys claimants—China, Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei.

He noted that “not since the Panganiban, or Mischief Reef, incident in 1995 has the Philippines faced serious challenges in the West Philippine Sea, otherwise known as the South China Sea.”

“Our ownership of the Kalayaan Island Group (KIG) features and our legitimate maritime jurisdictions have been contested by certain nations, even as the Philippines’ sovereignty and jurisdiction over the KIG are firmly grounded on international law,” he said.

“For the Philippines, certainly, the primacy of international law, particularly the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (Unclos), is the cornerstone on which we define and protect our territory and maritime entitlements in the South China Sea.”

Del Rosario said “it is this principle and the requirements of Unclos that governed the passage in 2009 of the Philippine Archipelagic Baselines Law,” otherwise known as Republic Act No. 9522.

Guidepost

“International law is also the guidepost by which the Philippines engages parties—(Spratlys) claimants and nonclaimants alike—toward a peaceful and just resolution of disputes and the guarantee of freedom of navigation in the South China Sea,” he said.

“This same pursuit of a rules-based system was behind the adoption of the 2002 Association of Southeast Asian Nations-China Declaration of Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DOC).”

The DOC provides that “the parties undertake to exercise self-restraint in the conduct of activities that would complicate or escalate disputes and affect peace and stability, including, among others, refraining from action of inhabiting on the presently uninhabited reefs, shoals, cays and other features, and to handle their differences in a constructive manner.”

However, this provision is “being aggressively violated,” Del Rosario said.

“Under the DOC, the parties also affirmed the need for a binding code of conduct (COC) and agreed to work toward its realization. A COC would concretely express our collective goal for rules-based actions by all concerned parties,” he said.

To reinforce this goal, Del Rosario stressed the need for a “framework that transforms the South China Sea from an area of dispute to a zone of peace, freedom, friendship, and cooperation (ZoPFFC) by a segregation of disputed relevant features from the undisputed waters of the South China Sea consistent with Unclos.”

Joint cooperation

Since Recto, or Reed Bank, is part of the continental shelf of western Palawan, “it can only be exclusively developed by the Philippines. However, the Philippines may invite foreign investors to assist in developing the area in accordance with Philippine laws,” Del Rosario said.

“The disputed features, on the other hand, can be transformed into a Joint Cooperation Area for joint development and the establishment of a marine protected area for biodiversity conservation under a ZoPFFC,” he said.

Del Rosario believes a ZoPFFC “represents an important contribution to securing peace, stability and progress in the South China Sea within a rule-of-law framework, and that the concept deserves serious and favorable consideration by countries with stakes in the South China Sea.”

On Thursday, the Chinese Embassy rejected a formal Philippine protest about Beijing’s recent military activities in disputed waters of the South China Sea and its plans to anchor an oil rig there next month. The embassy denied the claims.

In March, Manila complained that Chinese patrol boats had harassed a Philippine oil exploration vessel in disputed waters near the Spratlys. It subsequently filed a protest at the United Nations over Beijing’s claims to the Spratlys.

^^ If you read the article, the Philippines weren't equipped at all, had limited training on an unfamiliar terrain with harsh winters and unfamiliar culture. They made the best out of the meager resources handed to them by the UN and the US at that time. So given the best and sufficient equipment, best hardware, the Philippine Army is really a force to contend with. :cheers:

generally, philippines is physically ready for war.. and our soldiers are highly tested on ground combats and operations.

but on the equipments.. not so sure..:nuts:


The successful sides of both World Wars I and II were able to manage their wartime economies by shifting the bulk of production to the war effort, and keeping their civilian populations on rations.

Could such a feat ever be done in the Philippines?


United States: http://www.ameshistoricalsociety.org/exhibits/events/rationing.htm
United Kingdom: http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/Homework/war/rationing2.html

SINGAPORE
U.S.-China Meeting

IISS DIALOGUE
China-U.S. Synergy

GATES
Bulking Up in Asia


Chinese Defense Minister’s charm offensive falls flat
Posted By Josh Rogin

SINGAPORE - Chinese Defense Minister Gen. Liang Guanglie came to Singapore to convince the international community that China wanted to play a constructive role in Southeast Asian security cooperation based on self restraint and peaceful coexistence. But his platitudes, happy talk, and denials of China's aggressive military actions failed to win over an audience frustrated with the Chinese military's ongoing agressive actions in the region, according to delegates, experts, and government officials.

Liang, the first ever Chinese Defense Minister to lead China's delegation to the 10th annual IISS Shangri-La Security Dialogue, gave a 45 minute speech on Sunday outlining the People's Liberation Army's policies on a range of regional issues, including control of the South China Sea, China's military modernation, and regional security cooperation. Liang even took questions from the press, including one set from your humble Cable guy, and was gracious and upbeat in his remarks about China's relationship with its neighbors.

"China hopes to see peace and stability in its neighborhood more than anyone else. We oppose any action that might lead to regional turbulence or compromise mutual trust between neighbors. China follows the policy of 'forging friendship and partnership' with its neighbors," he said. "We are ready to make joint effort with other Asian countries in creating a regional environment of peace, stability, equality, collaboration, trust and mutual benefit by boosting political confidence, seeking common development and facilitating people-to-people exchange."

But Liang repeatedly refused to acknowledge several recent examples of Chinese military aggression in Southeast Asia, leaving the audience of senior military officials and experts from 35 countries disappointed and feeling that Liang's rhetoric did not match the facts on the ground. The Vietnamese and Filipino defense ministers who spoke after him issued sharp rebukes of the Chinese military's behavior and several members of the U.S. delegation left the session disappointed.

Liang was playing along with the script established by Defense Secretary Robert Gates only a day before. The two leaders of the Pacific's two strongest militaries went to great lengths to portray a warming of U.S.-China ties and they avoided at all costs any discussion of contentious bilateral issues.

"Liang's message was to underscore China's determination to stick to the path of peaceful development and willingness to promote security in the region. He did not criticize the United States directly and emphasized the recent positive developments between the U.S. and Chinese militaries," said Bonnie Glaser, senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "There was no mention of Taiwan at all, whereas last year there was quite a lot of discussion about Taiwan."

China is trying to repair and soften its image in Southeast Asia following the downturn in relations due to China's aggressive stance with regard to key regional issues, such as its 2010 claim that the highly disputed South China Sea was a "core interest," which angered several regional powers who also have claims there.

"It's been a charm offensive. Liang's objective was to avoid offending or frightening anyone, and try to scrub away the stain of the last two years of ‘assertiveness.' They realize it wasn't working for them," one U.S. delegate at the conference told The Cable.

But China's aggressive actions in the South China Sea and near the disputed Spratly Islands continue to this day, undermining the credibility of Liang's contention that China was interested in purely negotiated solutions.

"I doubt his speech reassured anyone. It certainly didn't put to rest the questions and concerns among its neighbors raised by China's recent behavior," the U.S. delegate said.

In fact, in the session immediately following Liang's remarks, the defense ministers of Vietnam and the Philippines openly criticized China and called for more U.S. security presence in Southeast Asia.

"As always, we expect China to honor the policies they announce to the world and we are hopeful these statements will be translated into realities," said Vietnamese Defense Minister Lt. Gen. Phung Quang Thanh, who complained that last month three Chinese ships cut the cables of a Vietnamese survey ship to prevent Vietnam from exploring disputed areas of the South China Sea.

Philippine's Defense Secretary Voltaire Tuvera Gazmin was even harsher. China stands accused of several intimidating actions against Filipino fishing boats and on islands claimed by the Philippines in the Spratlys.

"These actions unnecessarily create insecurity, not only for the government, but more disturbingly toward the citizens who depend on the maritime environment for their livelihood," Gazmin said, while referencing several specific incidents of Chinese military intimidation in Filipino waters.

In the question and answer period, Liang dodged and weaved, often avoiding direct questions. For example, when asked about the Chinese plan to take over operations of a key port in Pakistan, Liang said he had no idea about it, despite that the Pakistani Defense Minister had already announced it publicly.

"Much of the rhetoric in General Liang's speech hit the expected notes of reassurance to the region," another U.S. delegate said. "But, as several of the questions put before General Liang pointed to, there are also a raft of unanswered questions and anxieties in the region, given the gap between PRC rhetoric and its activities and actions, including when it comes to China's so-called ‘core interests,' the South China Sea, and its military modernization."

Philippines says China violates accord on islands (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/3365/philippines-says-china-violates-accord-on-islands)
Associated Press
9:54 am | Tuesday, June 7th, 2011

MANILA, Philippines—The Philippine foreign secretary is accusing China of aggressively violating a 2002 agreement aimed at preventing clashes in the disputed Spratly Islands. It was the latest in a series of complaints by Manila about Chinese construction in the area claimed by six countries.

The Philippines says Chinese forces have recently intruded into South China Sea islands close to Philippine shore that are claimed by Manila.

Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario in a statement Tuesday urged Asian countries locked in the dispute over the potentially oil-rich region to adhere to international laws and foster conflict-resolution.

Rosario says the new confrontations are the most serious since 1995, when China took over Mischief Reef, which is also claimed by Manila.

Yan nanamang GLOBALFIREPOWER.com. What a useless website. Pure speculation based on...raw manpower.

The successful sides of both World Wars I and II were able to manage their wartime economies by shifting the bulk of production to the war effort, and keeping their civilian populations on rations.

Could such a feat ever be done in the Philippines?


United States: http://www.ameshistoricalsociety.org/exhibits/events/rationing.htm
United Kingdom: http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/Homework/war/rationing2.html


Under foreign jurisdiction, yes. By the hand of Pnoy, HELL NO.

Yan nanamang GLOBALFIREPOWER.com. What a useless website. Pure speculation based on...raw manpower.

According to their homepage...

GlobalFirepower.com (GFP)
GFP provides a unique analytical display of information covering nations from around the world with statistics based on various public sources. Countries covered include the major global players prominent in today's international landscape along with other smaller nations making the news - this spectrum helping to produce a broad comparison of military strengths from across the globe. This is a personal and experimental site meant for entertainment and to stir up dialogue.

I have to agree that this website is not a credible source! :cheers:

The Polish Sokol helicopters are the military variant classified as Combat Utility Helicopters (CUH) which is the same as the older Huey helicopters but of course more armaments and avionics.



To prepare our pilots to fly multi-million dollar fighter jets in the future.



The Philippine Navy was one of the best navies in Asia during Marcos Regime. Ironically, the Philippine Navy doesn't have guided missiles back then until now.

FYI the Indonesian Navy was trained by the Philippine Navy.


ok thanks...wow Our navy trained Indonesians back then....its just show how we were back than and how we have spiraled downwards....sad...



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I think Its better Asean neighbour work even more closely together on this issue rather than have minor disagreements..then working closely together will make them a stronger force or alliance againts the invading big dragon....I think of all the states making a claim..The Philippines and Vietnam are the most vocal...but is being vocal enough in these times?...

Philippines shops for US military gear
http://ph.news.yahoo.com/philippines-shops-us-military-gear-091003892.html


Washington D.C. (Philippine Daily Inquirer/ANN) - Amid increasing concern over renewed tensions in the South China Sea, the Philippine Embassy here is shopping for excess defence equipment from the United States under Washington¿s Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programme.
Jose L. Cuisia Jr., the Philippine ambassador to the US, said he has asked the national defence department and armed forces back home to provide him with a wish list of military equipment they will need to shore up the country¿s defence capability.
He said he expected the defence department to ¿prioritise¿ its modernisation goals, but was careful not to explicitly link the purchase of US excess defence articles to the Philippine military¿s job of securing the territorial sovereignty of the country in the face of China¿s alleged intrusions into the areas of the disputed Spratlys group claimed by the Philippines.
There are defence articles that will be available, and that¿s why I¿m asking the Navy, Air Force and Army what their needs are," said Cuisia who made this disclosure during a visit at the embassy here last week of former President Fidel Ramos.
It is part of Cuisia¿s job to negotiate with US officials contracts for the purchase of US military hardware. The FMS programme is a standardised method for the sale by the US of defence equipment, services and training to foreign countries and governments.
Cuisia said the negotiations with the US are only after the defence department, in consultation with the military, has determined ¿what the country needs¿.
He said he has already seen the list provided by the Navy, but the other service commands¿the Army and Air Force¿have yet to come up with their own wish lists.
Hamilton class cutter
On May 13, Cuisia marked his debut as the new ambassador to Washington by signing the certificate of transfer of the decommissioned US Coast Guard Hamilton class cutter to the Philippines. (The cutters are called ¿Hamilton class¿ after their lead ship, the Hamilton, named after Alexander Hamilton, the first US Secretary of the Treasury.)
While in the US Coast Guard service, the vessel saw action in maritime safety and security missions, including drug and migrant interdiction, and search and rescue.
The patrol vessel, whose two 1,800 horsepower gas turbines can propel it to speeds of up to 28 knots, will be renamed the BRP Gregorio del Pilar. It is the biggest ship ever to be acquired by the Philippine Navy, and will be sailed to Manila next month.
Philippine military officials have high hopes of acquiring a few other relatively modern patrol ships as the US will retire eight more Coast Guard cutters over the next five years.
Cuisia, however, seemed lukewarm to purchasing a decommissioned US warship because of the high price tag, even if it¿s being sold at a ¿very big discounted price¿.
Is that what we really need? Do we need another one, or do we need something else?" he said.
¿Do we need a frigate? Maybe that¿s not what we need. Maybe what we need are fast patrol boats to go after pirates, after Abu Sayyaf, etc.," he said.
Caution vs arms buildup
Ramos warned Philippine defence officials against promoting an arms buildup in the Spratlys group, a reputedly oil-rich chain of islands and reefs, which is claimed wholly or in part by the Philippines, China, Malaysia, Brunei, Vietnam and Taiwan.
¿There¿s a buildup on many sides¿even us. This is a little tiny buildup, which is the (purchase of a) Coast Guard cutter. Why don¿t we use all this money that¿s being budgeted for an arms buildup for peace, development and prosperity?" he said.
Escalating tensions in the Spratlys, which straddle busy international shipping lanes, is a relic of the Cold War, said the retired general who met with Cuisia and the Filipino community here during a 12-day swing of the US in May.
Ramos urged Philippine President Benigno Aquino III to accept an invitation from Chinese President Hu Jintao to visit Beijing. He said this would help ease the tension over China¿s recent alleged intrusions.
As early as March, Aquino has been invited by China to make an official visit, but Malacañang has yet to set a date.
Joint patrol of rivals
Ramos envisions a ¿common defence¿ of the South China Sea instead of rival claimants locked in a perpetual war mode, pointing their arsenals against each other.
His proposed setup is akin to a joint patrol of contested waters in which all claimant countries would contribute forces to maintain peace and stability in the South China Sea.
What do we do with these existing armies? Why don¿t we in Asia Pacific agree to treat each other like partners in peace and prosperity instead of us potential rivals 10 years from now?" he said.
Ramos noted the marked changes in the global security environment after the fall of the Iron Curtain in 1989, which precipitated the disintegration of the Soviet Union and with it, the threat of international communism.
In both the Korean War and Viet Nam War, the US had pursued a policy of containment, triggering the mushrooming of US military bases in Asia and around the world as the free world¿s response to the advance of communism, he said.
The Philippines sided with the US in both wars, nurturing a political, economic and military relationship in post-World War II which did not always sit well with communist China.
But with China embracing capitalism, its economy is set to eclipse the US in 2016, as the International Monetary Fund recently predicted.
The real enemy
According to Ramos, the real enemy in the 21st century is no longer one country against the other.
Thats outmoded. Thats a Cold War mentality," he said.
The force which is being applied one against the other and then continues to escalate should not just be identified with the No 1 and No 2 superpowers (the US and China) because who is the enemy? What is the enemy now? It¿s international terrorism. It¿s endemic disease. It¿s climate change. It is poverty," Ramos said.
Can you imagine how much better the quality of life all around the world, especially in the Philippines and in China and in many parts of the world, would be if the huge amount of dollars, of yuan and pesos will be devoted to economic and social development?" he said.
The Ramos Peace and Development Foundation is working toward this goal of regional stability and prosperity, he said.



WTF??:wtf::wtf: This is very shameful of Ramos I thought as a soldier who fought for the republic in many conflicts he would THE FIRST to advocate the strengthening of the defensive capabilities of our armed forces, but now he took the path of the gayish, pushy,boneless military that we have been enduring for years. Do we always have to lay down belly up like a squeaking, yapping dog surrendering to its aggressors? Do we always have to cry for help like a spoiled toddler every time we are threatened with armed conflict? Why cant we be independent and self reliant like any other country that is proud of their independence when faced with such a challenge. OUR FORE FATHERS FOUGHT AND SACRIFICED FOR OUR FREEDOM AND INDEPENDENCE THEN WE AT THIS GENERATION WILL JUST THROW IT AWAY AND TAKE IT FOR GRANTED JUST LIKE THAT??? Ramos has turn pussy and surely gone soft turning his backbone to spaghetti strap softness....Modernizing our military doenst mean we want to fight an all out war it just means DEFENDING OUR SOVEREIGNTY. Do he really want us to go back to our colonial years when our country was invaded and we become second class citizens in our own country and our riches is being plundered and exploited by a foreign power just leaving bread crumbs and food scraps for us? How about us in this generation...DO WE REALLY WANT TO BE BULLIED AROUND AND NATIONS TREATING US AS A PUSH-OVER PEOPLE AND A BANANA REPUBLIC?? ...its like learning martial arts, it doesn't mean you will fight jacky chan or Manny Pacquiao, its only for self-defense against petty criminals and muggers...All im saying is we build up our military for PURELY DEFENSIVE PURPOSES that is designed to defend an island republic and make any aggressors think twice before moving in...we dont need carriers, bombers and gargantuan battleship ( but we need submarines mind you) all we need is to intimidate and hold out the enemy for long...remember "The Battle Of Britain" they have the capability to fight invading nazis but its enough to buy them some time and dealt the enemy a bloody nose until the allies got together...Cant you see the similarities?? If ever China will invade us they will take the skies 1st and destroy our infrastructure, if we had the capabilities Britain has the early years of WWII we can hold them for long until help comes and might even change the minds of the invading chinese...Just look at the example of Taiwan and Israel...Do you think the PLA will think twice even trice on invading them if they don't have a sufficient defense capabilities?? Taiwan could have been annexed already if they don't have the military they have now...and how about Israel?...well everybody know the story. Thats why maybe the chinese is turning to the Philippines to exhibit their military might because they cant do it to Taiwan.
WE MUST NEVER LET DOWN WHAT OUR HEROES HAD FOUGHT FOR US!! INDEPENDENCE, FREEDOM, LIBERTY, HONOR... COUNTRY!!

PAF F-5's escorting Air Force One:

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa462/kintoy2/2528211.jpg


got this in Facebook page called Filipino Weapons and History. the photo albums are mother lodes of pics: http://www.facebook.com/filipinoweapons

ok thanks...wow Our navy trained Indonesians back then....its just show how we were back than and how we have spiraled downwards....sad...

Quoted from my source... http://definitelyfilipino.com/blog/2011/03/03/an-intensive-look-at-the-philippine-navy/

The Philippine Navy used to be Southeast Asia’s most equipped naval force. In fact, its more powerful neighbors such as Indonesia and Malaysia once looked up at the Philippines for assistance in developing their own navies back when they were just emerging nations in the 1960s.

It appears that not only the Indonesian Navy but also the Royal Malaysian Navy was trained by the Philippine Navy.


I think Its better Asean neighbour work even more closely together on this issue rather than have minor disagreements..then working closely together will make them a stronger force or alliance againts the invading big dragon....I think of all the states making a claim..The Philippines and Vietnam are the most vocal...but is being vocal enough in these times?...

What an Irony, isn't it?

Vietnam has the more capable navy and air force than the Philippines.

They have Su-30 multi-role fighter jets, Su-27 air superiority fighter jets, MiG-21 fighter jets, Su-22 attack planes, Mi-24 attack helicopters, 2 guided missile frigates, 5 anti-submarine corvettes, and 6 diesel-electric powered fast attack submarines... all from Russia and the former Soviet Union but they are still being vocal in the Spratly Islands vs. China.

PAF F5

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa462/kintoy2/248381_10150218833511520_124360.jpg

from http://www.facebook.com/filipinoweapons

PAF F-5's escorting Air Force One:

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa462/kintoy2/2528211.jpg

got this in Facebook page called Filipino Weapons and History. the photo albums are mother lodes of pics: http://www.facebook.com/filipinoweapons

Thanks! That's what I was looking for a long time ago and there was also this old picture of a PAF fighter jet escorting a Soviet bomber plane out of Philippine airspace.

What I think guys is that our military modernization program is being hampered BIG TIME by NUMBER ONE: The communist Anarchist terrorist in congress, the selfish catholic church and the human rights activist TERRORIST!! ( now ramos is a part of it) Everytime we have a plan do set aside money for our military they will always cry out..."why not just use the money to give to the poor " or "why not spend it to uplift the lives of people or to improve government services" and what the COMMUNIST TERRORIST would always say " Why give more equipment to the military it will just fan more abuses"...one big BULL CRAP!!! The goverment has allotted money for those kind of services SO THEY BETTER NOT TOUCH WHAT IS SET ASIDE FOR THE MILITARY! The ultimate goal of the communist anarchist is to make our military weak SO AS NOT TO WIPE THEM OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!! And they will be weaker once our security forces are stronger!...COMMUNIST ANARCHIST IS THE DISEASE AND PARASITES THAT PREVENT OUR COUNTRY TO GROW BIG AND ROBUST!!

^^^ lets do what Sri lanka did to the rebels.....they wiped them out....It wasnt popular with the west but It had many nations who supported its actions as reported in BBC last week..they even has a international conference in Colombo.

We should eliminated internal conflict so we can freely focus on international matters...get rid of the abu sayaf parasites and the NPA terrorist...apart from indiscriminate killings...they destroy national infrastructures....they need to be wiped out...

"We can never really be a ONE NATION while these fungi and Bacterias exist on our soceity"

PAF F5

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa462/kintoy2/248381_10150218833511520_124360.jpg

from http://www.facebook.com/filipinoweapons

This just make me feel very sad, cant really explain the feeling...frustration, anger, regret...all the negativity...for what was once was...the proud and imposing Philippine airforce...now we only have the "air"...the "force" is no longer with us..:ohno::bash:

^^^ lets do what Sri lanka did to the rebels.....they wiped them out....It wasnt popular with the west but It had many nations who supported its actions as reported in BBC last week..they even has a international conference in Colombo.

We should eliminated internal conflict so we can freely focus on international matters...get rid of the abu sayaf parasites and the NPA terrorist...apart from indiscriminate killings...they destroy national infrastructures....they need to be wiped out...

The Sri Lanka Air Force (http://www.airforce.lk/pages.php?pages=aircraft_fleet) (SLAF) used their KFIRs to effectively wipe out the Tamil Tigers and this was one of the greatest achievements of this Israeli-made fighter jet.

http://s1.hubimg.com/u/4735104_f520.jpg

^^ since we the goverment cant afford even 2nd had F-16. I wish they continued with the previous plans to acquire KFIRs...it will give us more ability not just againts insurgents but even on patrolling our coastlines even though its not specifically a patrol aircraft.

I cant stand the fact that the Chinese can manage to sneek into our airspace and we cannot do anything about it.
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hmmm I was just thinking what if they suddently discover large deposits of oil reserve on the Philippine sea along the Philippine East Coast or Philippine Trench...will China then try to find away to make a claim...would be interesting.

I think we should give the big American oil companies contracts to explore the Spratlys, that way, the US will have a bigger interest to check China in the region

^^the red dragon china versus the blue eagle US...

PAF F5

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa462/kintoy2/248381_10150218833511520_124360.jpg

from http://www.facebook.com/filipinoweapons

if only we have those kind of fighter jets today, I doubt our neighbors would even try to provoke us. :bash:

^
We already retired those jet. We had F-8 Crusaders, but they suffered irreparable damage during the eruption of Mt.Pinatubo.

What's left are the Ov-10's that act's as Reconnaissance in the disputed area.

^
We already retired those jet. We had F-8 Crusaders, but they suffered irreparable damage during the eruption of Mt.Pinatubo.

What's left are the Ov-10's that act's as Reconnaissance in the disputed area.

^^ yet, until now... they did not even bother replacing it... :bash: we can't always rely on those OV-10's, these aircraft's are inferior compared to what China are using... we need lot's of MRF's for our dear air force men to patrol our borders and to combat potential enemies...

if only we have those kind of fighter jets today, I doubt our neighbors would even try to provoke us. :bash:

^^ di na gaanong nakakatakot yung F-5's ngayon... so i prefer modern advanced war planes to serve our air force... though we can still use F-5's, nasa piloto naman yung skills eh... :)

^^ since we the goverment cant afford even 2nd had F-16. I wish they continued with the previous plans to acquire KFIRs...it will give us more ability not just againts insurgents but even on patrolling our coastlines even though its not specifically a patrol aircraft.

I cant stand the fact that the Chinese can manage to sneek into our airspace and we cannot do anything about it.
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hmmm I was just thinking what if they suddently discover large deposits of oil reserve on the Philippine sea along the Philippine East Coast or Philippine Trench...will China then try to find away to make a claim...would be interesting.

^^ i believe that we can actually afford 2nd hand F-16's and even brand new jets... but the Government did not really give much attention to the Military since that our Country has too much problems specially on Poverty... and isa pang nakasagabal sa pag modernize ng Militar natin ay yung "Corruption"... :)

^^ i believe that we can actually afford 2nd hand F-16's and even brand new jets... but the Government did not really give much attention to the Military since that our Country has too much problems specially on Poverty... and isa pang nakasagabal sa pag modernize ng Militar natin ay yung "Corruption"... :)

US can sell us these jets at an amicable price.

More or less $30m a piece, depending on the avionics, radars and condition of the aircraft. Of course, training, spare parts and logistics are not yet included.

What I think guys is that our military modernization program is being hampered BIG TIME by NUMBER ONE: The communist Anarchist terrorist in congress, the selfish catholic church and the human rights activist TERRORIST!! ( now ramos is a part of it) Everytime we have a plan do set aside money for our military they will always cry out..."why not just use the money to give to the poor " or "why not spend it to uplift the lives of people or to improve government services" and what the COMMUNIST TERRORIST would always say " Why give more equipment to the military it will just fan more abuses"...one big BULL CRAP!!! The goverment has allotted money for those kind of services SO THEY BETTER NOT TOUCH WHAT IS SET ASIDE FOR THE MILITARY! The ultimate goal of the communist anarchist is to make our military weak SO AS NOT TO WIPE THEM OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!! And they will be weaker once our security forces are stronger!...COMMUNIST ANARCHIST IS THE DISEASE AND PARASITES THAT PREVENT OUR COUNTRY TO GROW BIG AND ROBUST!!

^^ they actually have a point when they say na "give it to the poor blah blah blah"... i agree with it!... :okay: what i just don't agree is. it seems like they want the Government to spoon feed the poor people which is Very very wrong... :down: they have to wake up and be flexible that Poverty is never an excuse, its a reason... a reason for them to rise... for me, we need to strengthen our Military ASAP coz we have both internal and external threat... what we need is peace and order, to boost the development on our country sides...

^^^ lets do what Sri lanka did to the rebels.....they wiped them out....It wasnt popular with the west but It had many nations who supported its actions as reported in BBC last week..they even has a international conference in Colombo.

We should eliminated internal conflict so we can freely focus on international matters...get rid of the abu sayaf parasites and the NPA terrorist...apart from indiscriminate killings...they destroy national infrastructures....they need to be wiped out...

"We can never really be a ONE NATION while these fungi and Bacterias exist on our soceity"

^^ our leader now does not have an iron fist, so i really dont think that we can wipe those red ants out under this shitty administration... anyway, the communist party is playing a Guerilla Tactics... its either they ambush in the mountains or they create havoc in the capital to establish instability, coz then... these people are communist... kung ako lang, ill wipe those rebels out and abolish those party lists and SK's,... instead of giving them a budget why dont we just spend those funds to a sensible investments... :)

china is a mismatch to us, even russia ,iran and north korea favored china...as long as the white race exists and jews exists, US will be always a god given talent of superpower...the best nation to provoke china is japan...japan is prepared at all times at all costs except war with the united states of america

madali lang tayo magkaroon ng fighter jets...

1. let u.s. used atleast 3 naval base in the country
2. let u.s. spend their surplus money in terrorism and other costs for war
3. let u.s. control the water territory of the philippines
4. protect the jewish people (jewish people has a huge impact in the us economy even though jews consists only 2% of the us population but
jewish billionaires are 45% of total billionaires)jewish has putting money in american economy around $3 billion annually by taxes, revenues around $ 6.2 billion

Sabi daw ng mga doctor ay nakakaapekto sa pag-iisip ng tao ang drugs.

Let’s be realistic: We can never beat China


By Ramon Tulfo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
9:18 pm | Monday, June 6th, 2011

The government should adopt the position of former President Fidel V. Ramos on our confrontation with China over the Spratlys.

Ramos says we should not be confrontational in threshing out problems with China over our claim to the group of islands off Palawan.

The Cold War is over and China should no longer be considered an enemy but an economic partner, says the former President.

Let’s listen to Ramos, an Army veteran who fought in Korea in the 1950s as a lieutenant. In a war with China, we would certainly lose since we have a weak Armed Forces.

If we can’t lick them, let’s join them.

That’s not cowardice, that’s being practical.

* * *

The country is reportedly shopping for arms in the US because of our confrontation with China over the Spratlys.

Why don’t we just shop for more books and medicine to educate our youth and cure the sick, most of whom are poor?

The country should focus more on education and health because these are more important than military might.

If we buy arms, these should be limited to those we can use against bandits, insurgents and terrorists.

In dealing with foreign aggression, we have the United States to rely on because of our mutual defense treaty with it.

Let’s be realistic: We can never win a war against China.

* * *

China is already past the Cold War stage, the period in which it was supporting communist revolutions in many parts of the world.

Now, its concern is to dominate the world economically, not through military power.

As Ramos says, our enemy is terrorism, not communism since China has already become a capitalist country.

So, let’s be partners with China in its march toward progress since we are also an Asian country.

* * *

Vice President Jojo Binay’s recommendation for the late President Ferdinand Marcos to be buried in Ilocos Norte with full military honors is feeble.

It’s neither here nor there, it’s meant to please both sides but succeeds only in displeasing both.

It’s either Marcos be buried at the Libingan ng mga Bayani or not interred in the cemetery of war heroes at all.

Burying him in Ilocos Norte with full military honors does not give justice to his war exploits—as a fighter in Bataan and a guerrilla leader.

Forget about his alleged martial law misdeeds; the guy served the country so well during the war.

If that military officer who was killed by National Bureau of Investigation agents during a buy-bust operation years ago was buried at Libingan, why not Marcos?

* * *

Besides, burying Marcos at the Libingan would conform to the people’s wish.

Cagayan de Oro Rep. Rufus Rodriguez says that aside from the law, public sentiments favor Marcos’ burial at the Libingan judging from recent surveys.

Surveys conducted by the Social Weather Stations showed that the majority of Filipinos want his remains entombed at the Libingan.

In addition, 219 congressmen, including Rodriguez, or three-fourths of the House of Representatives have endorsed a bill urging President Noy to bury Marcos there.



gus2 ko lng magkomento sa sinabi ni ramos, eto lng yan eh: kunware nasakop na tayo ng china...

1. san tayo bibibli ng gamot eh nasira na?
2. paano ka makakabili ng libro eh sira na lahat?
3. pano makakapag aral ang estudyante eh may gyera?

think the future development before talking mr. ramos.. just shut your mouth off...

^^ our leader now does not have an iron fist, so i really dont think that we can wipe those red ants out under this shitty administration... anyway, the communist party is playing a Guerilla Tactics... its either they ambush in the mountains or they create havoc in the capital to establish instability, coz then... these people are communist... kung ako lang, ill wipe those rebels out and abolish those party lists and SK's,... instead of giving them a budget why dont we just spend those funds to a sensible investments... :)

jeez, what a horrible opinion! you badly need to have a proper education because it seems that you're an Adolf Hitler in the making..

haven't history taught you that military action against the insurgency is futile in the country? we've been fighting the Reds since the HUK's of the 1950's, but are we winning 60 years on?

lack of an iron fist? so you want a rampaging murderous president who'll butcher dissidents and enemies of the state just like Gloria? haven't you heard that the present administration is negotiating in Oslo and Kuala Lumpur the imminent end of all PHL insurgencies? :ohno:

Meanwhile to those who don't know how china is attaking on the other way..

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/249289_2130506141738_1218523515_32736429_4574909_n.jpg

PAG-ASA site HACKED by guess who.

Screengrab by SSCer pimalejana

it say's..

Phillipines do not take your silly to challenge china's temper
Chinese military is not all war, afraid of war!
chinese people longing for peace
do not help U.S. bullying china
china hacker by group god
Hacked by hacker Mr. prince D,oe

well.. pinapatunayan lng tlga nila kung sino sila.... $##%$^*$%#@$!!!!!!

Sabi daw ng mga doctor ay nakakaapekto sa pag-iisip ng tao ang drugs.

ikaw ata ang nakadrugs, medical post ang isinusulat mo. ot sa topic

:lol: psychotic yata yung isa dito ahh

jeez, what a horrible opinion! you badly need to have a proper education because it seems that you're an Adolf Hitler in the making..

haven't history taught you that military action against the insurgency is futile in the country? we've been fighting the Reds since the HUK's of the 1950's, but are we winning 60 years on?

lack of an iron fist? so you want a rampaging murderous president who'll butcher dissidents and enemies of the state just like Gloria? haven't you heard that the present administration is negotiating in Oslo and Kuala Lumpur the imminent end of all PHL insurgencies? :ohno:

^^ c'mon dude... those peace talks never worked for that 60 years of bloody war in the Philippines... even ERAP declared an all out war in Mindanao to establish peace and also Marcos tried to wipe out those rebels through War... in our situation,... how can we attain peace without War? "nagbunga ba ng magandang resulta yung peace talks?" the only condition we should give them is either to surrender or die, communist acts communist... would you like these reds rule the country?... it's not necessary for us to make war right away we of coarse have to give chances but if "di na madala sa simpleng usapan then... Attack"... anyway pointless naman pinaglalaban nila, all they want is communism... now, how can our provinces develop if there are bandits and the presence of violence... just a classic example. Im from Tacloban city, Leyte.. and the province next to us is Samar... Samar has beautiful beaches but sadly there are lot's of people scared going far in Samar coz there are several stories about bandits rubbing and even shooting those people in the vehicles and there are lots of towns there which is NPA infested... same case in Mindanao... investors will really be discouraged to invest there while the war is ongoing... i dont like War and even violence, i really wanna avoid war if possible but if its the only way then we have no choice...

^^ they actually have a point when they say na "give it to the poor blah blah blah"... i agree with it!... :okay: what i just don't agree is. it seems like they want the Government to spoon feed the poor people which is Very very wrong... :down: they have to wake up and be flexible that Poverty is never an excuse, its a reason... a reason for them to rise... for me, we need to strengthen our Military ASAP coz we have both internal and external threat... what we need is peace and order, to boost the development on our country sides...

Actually Im with you when you agree to give to the poor...in fact the poor is what the government should focus on because this is where the communist anarchist get their recruits...they are taking advantage of the poor's hardship, narrow-mindedness and gullibleness due to lack of education to further their cause...the poor is simply their mass support base....my only point is there are government agencies and branches like the DSWD even private non-profit groups that help the poor...and every year money is set aside to help them ( 1 billion and counting for CCT Whew!! )
But the fact is these communist anarchist is one reason the poor remains poor...like your experience in your province and Samar, they are driving away businesses and investment in the countryside through extortion, intimidation, terrorism and sabotage...we heard so many times when business establishments and their equipments gets burned down or the owners get death treats or getting MURDERED themselves for not paying revolutionary taxes...and construction equipments, workers and engineers stalling planned infrastructure projects due to the communist intimidation and threats. even small farmers gets extorted, when they have good harvest they will simply pick up some sacks of rice saying "its your contribution to the revolution". I have an uncle in quezon who was able to build a small 3 swimming pool resort through the help of his sons in canada, and guess what he immediatly got letter asking for that god damned "revolutionary taxes"....its also happening in the metro, look at the KMU, BAYAN, ANAKPAWIS fucktards they all have something in common...THE RED FLAG!...and they extort and bleed companies and factories threatening work stoppage, strikes and sabotage until the establishment folds and then cry out "illegal lockout" to make it look like the management is at fault...so when these factories close and businesses shy away who gets affected the most? the laborers!! and when laborers are jobless they become poor!! and when they become poor they become ripe for the picking by the communist anarchist TERRORIST!! Then they will move on infecting and infiltrating some well established factories...and the cycle goes on....DO they really helped the poor like they have always claimed and advocated? its a big fat NO!! All the money they have extorted from the companies through thier labor union fronts goes the communist parties which buys weapons to kill our soldiers, intimidate, extort and sabotage other business and once again the cycle goes on...
THESE COMMUNIST ARE PEST! THEY ARE RATS, VIRUS AND CANCER OF OUR SOCIETY!! Note that these pest and viruses hit the weakest part of the body in which in our country's case are the poor...from there they will continue infecting more body parts and in our country's case poor provinces and people...until the body dies and in our country's case fall into a civil war and the break down of law and order...

I agree, they have to be completely eradicated out of the system. They're mere nuisance that does'nt really do anything beneficial to the national interests. They should be remain branded as terrorists.

If the US is spending billions in foreign aid to Israel and Pakistan every year, why can't they just give us their decomissioned ships for Free or least for a very small price?

ang kakapal talaga ng mga muka!!! :bash:


China says Philippines harming its maritime rights


Agence France-Presse
11:33 pm | Tuesday, June 7th, 2011

BEIJING—China on Tuesday accused the Philippines of harming its maritime rights and interests in the South China Sea, in sharp retaliation to claims by Manila that Beijing is undermining regional peace.

The Philippines said over the weekend that China dispatched vessels to intimidate rivals in disputed areas of the South China Sea, violating “maritime jurisdiction” and undermining “the peace and stability of the region.”

But Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei hit back at the accusations Tuesday, saying the Chinese vessels were merely cruising and carrying out scientific studies in waters under Beijing’s jurisdiction.

“China asks the Filipino side to stop harming China’s sovereignty and maritime rights and interests, which leads to unilateral actions that expand and complicate South China Sea disputes,” he said.

He also said Manila should stop publishing “irresponsible statements that do not match the facts.”

The Paracel archipelago and the more southerly Spratly islands in the South China Sea are both potentially resource-rich outcrops that straddle strategic shipping lanes.

The Philippines, China, Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam claim all or part of the territories in question, and recent renewed tensions drew a warning Saturday from the United States that the disputes could lead to armed conflict.

China and Vietnam are also locked in a dispute related to the sovereignty of the Paracel archipelago and the Spratlys. The diplomatic flare-up even triggered a protest in Hanoi – a rare occurrence in the country.

^^the red dragon china versus the blue eagle US...
World War III in the Pacific region ? That would be an interesting confrontation...

ang kakapal talaga ng mga muka!!! :bash:

Yeupz, fakesters and fact twisters. :lol:

World War III in the Pacific region ? That would be an interesting confrontation...

^^in that case, will see red buttons ready to blow up its millions of dollar scuds and nuke missiles...

madali lang tayo magkaroon ng fighter jets...

1. let u.s. used at least 3 naval base in the country
2. let u.s. spend their surplus money in terrorism and other costs for war
3. let u.s. control the water territory of the philippines
4. protect the jewish people (jewish people has a huge impact in the us economy even though jews consists only 2% of the us population but
jewish billionaires are 45% of total billionaires)jewish has putting money in american economy around $3 billion annually by taxes, revenues around $ 6.2 billion
1) Ask the opinion of Erap about this issue OR write Erap Jokes.
2) Recession sa US ngayon at patay na si Bin Laden.
3) Mind your own business.
4) Over your dead body.

World War III in the Pacific region ? That would be an interesting confrontation...

well for philippines it's not good... it will result a widespread economic breakdown... but if war happens on china that would be favor and a pleasure for me.. :D

^^ since we the goverment cant afford even 2nd had F-16. I wish they continued with the previous plans to acquire KFIRs...it will give us more ability not just againts insurgents but even on patrolling our coastlines even though its not specifically a patrol aircraft.


The KFIR C10 can also do that because it is a multi-role fighter jet. Ecuador and Colombia also acquired the KFIR C10 to defend their airspace against Venezuelan Su-30s and F-16s because of the KFIR C10's BVR capability.


I cant stand the fact that the Chinese can manage to sneek into our airspace and we cannot do anything about it.

Lack or no military radar systems at all. The AFP relies on civilian radars used in airports.


hmmm I was just thinking what if they suddently discover large deposits of oil reserve on the Philippine sea along the Philippine East Coast or Philippine Trench...will China then try to find away to make a claim...would be interesting.

They will surely bite it like a crocodile!

if only we have those kind of fighter jets today, I doubt our neighbors would even try to provoke us. :bash:

The PAF Northrop F-5s were retired in September 2005 due to high maintenance cost. They were not scrapped though but disarmed and mothballed.

US can sell us these jets at an amicable price.

More or less $30m a piece, depending on the avionics, radars and condition of the aircraft. Of course, training, spare parts and logistics are not yet included.

$30 million a piece is still very expensive for the AFP because you have to maintain at least 4 F-16s to have a credible air defense (they must fly in partners like what the recent Chinese fighter jets intrusion did) in the Spratly Islands but how about the other parts of the country? A squadron of fighter jets is always the right answer but a squadron of F-16s cost more than the latest AFP budget.

Editorial
Naked aggression (http://opinion.inquirer.net/5927/naked-aggression)
Philippine Daily Inquirer
1:17 am | Wednesday, June 8th, 2011

President Aquino told reporters in Brunei last week that a military confrontation between the Philippines and China would be “no contest.” In terms of military strength, China has “a great advantage,” he said. “Even in a boxing match, there’s one and half billion of them, [while] we are barely 100 million.”

All true, of course. But stating the obvious seems totally unnecessary and counterproductive, especially at this time when China seems ready to flaunt its military strength even at the risk of looking like the bully in the block. In an age when colonialism seems like a distant memory, China has been signaling its determination to assert its sovereignty over marine territories also being claimed by its neighbors—by force, if necessary. Pleading helplessness in the face of so much muscle-flexing could only encourage China to conduct further acts of intimidation.

Already in the last four months, Philippine authorities have counted at least six Chinese military incursions into Philippine territory. And on at least two such occasions, the Chinese vessels acted belligerently. On Feb. 25, for instance, a Chinese missile frigate drove away three Philippine fishing vessels anchored on Jackson Atoll by first threatening to shoot them and then actually firing three shots into the water. A few weeks later, in March, Chinese vessels threatened to ram a Philippine-commissioned boat conducting seismic studies at the Reed Bank. Then in May another Chinese vessel unloaded construction materials in Amy Douglas Shoal.

These shoals and atolls are less than 100 nautical miles from Palawan and well within the 200-mile exclusive economic zone as defined by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. As Presidential Spokesman Edwin Lacierda put it, “You are speaking of western Palawan, you are not speaking of the Spratlys,” and Palawan is not a disputed area.

What were Chinese military vessels doing 600 nautical miles from China’s nearest coastline and deep in Philippine territory? China is trying to establish ownership over the whole South China Sea. So what will it claim next, Manila Bay?

China is so confident that it will have its way with its smaller neighbors that it has announced that it would send its biggest oil rig to start drilling in the disputed Spratlys. It dismisses its neighbors claims to the Spratlys by saying there is nothing for them to claim since the area rightfully belongs to China. And consistent with this position, the Chinese government flatly denies that its vessels have intruded into Philippine territory. Chinese officials are saying in effect that China cannot be accused of intruding into its own territory.

But even as China intensifies its show of force, Chinese officials continue to reassure its neighbor that it wants nothing more than peace. In Singapore last Sunday, Chinese Defense Minister Liang Guanglie said his country was committed to “peace and stability” in the South China Sea. He said China would never threaten any country or “seek hegemony.”

Maybe China has a different definition of what constitutes peace, but firing shots over fishing vessels and pushing away research ships are not peaceful acts anywhere. Which is why Filipino officials have lately dropped all diplomatic pretense and has directly accused China of “serious violations of Philippine sovereignty and maritime jurisdiction.” Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario has said that while the Philippines is committed to follow international laws, the 2002 Declaration of Conduct in the South China Sea forged by the Association of Southeast Asian Nations and China, under which all the parties agreed to exercise restraint and refrain from occupying uninhabited areas, was being “aggressively violated.” And because all its complaints have gone unheeded by Chinese authorities, the Philippines is now bringing the case to the United Nations.

Instead of enjoying it like one former foreign secretary advised in regard to another violation of Philippine sovereignty, Filipino officials are now crying rape, and making the whole world know who is doing it. If China believes it can ignore the protests of a small nation with hardly any military capability to speak of, it may yet think differently if the international community is sufficiently roused to condemn its naked aggression.

^^ c'mon dude... those peace talks never worked for that 60 years of bloody war in the Philippines... even ERAP declared an all out war in Mindanao to establish peace and also Marcos tried to wipe out those rebels through War... in our situation,... how can we attain peace without War? "nagbunga ba ng magandang resulta yung peace talks?" the only condition we should give them is either to surrender or die, communist acts communist... would you like these reds rule the country?... it's not necessary for us to make war right away we of coarse have to give chances but if "di na madala sa simpleng usapan then... Attack"... anyway pointless naman pinaglalaban nila, all they want is communism... now, how can our provinces develop if there are bandits and the presence of violence... just a classic example. Im from Tacloban city, Leyte.. and the province next to us is Samar... Samar has beautiful beaches but sadly there are lot's of people scared going far in Samar coz there are several stories about bandits rubbing and even shooting those people in the vehicles and there are lots of towns there which is NPA infested... same case in Mindanao... investors will really be discouraged to invest there while the war is ongoing... i dont like War and even violence, i really wanna avoid war if possible but if its the only way then we have no choice...

have you heard about the 1995 peace agreement with the MNLF which led to the creation of the ARMM? care to share your thoughts on that supposedly useless negotiation as you said?

and with Erap's 2000 all-out war, haven't you remembered that it promised to end the moro insurgency for good because of the failure of peace talks? but what resulted from that senseless offensive? care to share your thoughts on that?

have you been familiar with the policy milestones that the ongoing GRP negotiations in Oslo and Norway have achieved? if not, then your ill-educated and spartan opinion of plunging us into civil war will only be a big joke.. tsk

ARMM is a joke.

I would like to know, hope somebody can enlighten me here, is what is preventing the AFP/PAF from acquiring the Israeli Kfir. As we all know, right now there is a sense of urgency for us to prop up our external defense capabilities anchored on the air force and navy. Surely, the Kfir will not be the final jet fighter that we will aspire for, but at the moment, we must hav something to show to our neighbors that they cannot just violate our territorial jurisdiction with impunity.

We can show off our ww2 era TORA TORA bombers. Remember the ones we used to bomb MILF in 2005?

^^ there is no such thing as a "ww2 era tora tora" in the PAF inventory....

it's the OV-10...which is a Vietnam war era plane.

We can show off our ww2 era TORA TORA bombers. Remember the ones we used to bomb MILF in 2005?

Apparently, you are watching too much movie, and watching too much news. :lol:

For the uninformed, Tora! Tora! Tora! is a movie about the attack of Pearl Harbor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tora!_Tora!_Tora!) shown in 1970. During production, there are no airworthy A6M (the famous Zero), so they use T-6 Texan as a stand in. And it so happened that there are T-6 Texans in Philippine Air Force at that time.

have you heard about the 1995 peace agreement with the MNLF which led to the creation of the ARMM? care to share your thoughts on that supposedly useless negotiation as you said?

and with Erap's 2000 all-out war, haven't you remembered that it promised to end the moro insurgency for good because of the failure of peace talks? but what resulted from that senseless offensive? care to share your thoughts on that?

have you been familiar with the policy milestones that the ongoing GRP negotiations in Oslo and Norway have achieved? if not, then your ill-educated and spartan opinion of plunging us into civil war will only be a big joke.. tsk

The Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao region was first created on August 1, 1989 through Republic Act No. 6734 (otherwise known as the Organic Act) in pursuance with a constitutional mandate to provide for an autonomous area in Muslim Mindanao.

I would like to know, hope somebody can enlighten me here, is what is preventing the AFP/PAF from acquiring the Israeli Kfir. As we all know, right now there is a sense of urgency for us to prop up our external defense capabilities anchored on the air force and navy. Surely, the Kfir will not be the final jet fighter that we will aspire for, but at the moment, we must hav something to show to our neighbors that they cannot just violate our territorial jurisdiction with impunity.

No budget, no MRF plans yet -- still concentrated with COIN warfare and training aircraft acquisition.

We can show off our ww2 era TORA TORA bombers. Remember the ones we used to bomb MILF in 2005?

The PAF P-51 Mustangs were last used in the Kudetas in the 1980s then they were retired and scrapped.

^^ there is no such thing as a "ww2 era tora tora" in the PAF inventory....

it's the OV-10...which is a Vietnam war era plane.

There goes the right answer! :cheers:

FYI Tora Tora means means tiger; however, in this case it meant to or charge and attack. Taking it apart in context to the era of the film it means Torpedo attack.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_tora_tora_tora_mean#ixzz1OejSZ2Zc

Therefore, you can also use "tora tora" for a modern day fighter jet that is attacking something like a ground target.

The PAF P-51 Mustangs were last used in the Kudetas in the 1980s then they were retired and scrapped.

I thought it was T-6 Texan.

As far as I know, the P-51 Mustang in PAF is already decommissioned because the replaced by F-86 Sabres.


FYI Tora Tora means means tiger; however, in this case it meant to or charge and attack. Taking it apart in context to the era of the film it means Torpedo attack.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_tora_tora_tora_mean#ixzz1OejSZ2Zc

Therefore, you can also use "tora tora" for a modern day fighter jet that is attacking something like a ground target.

In short, it's just a code name.

China says Philippines harming its maritime rights
Agence France Presse (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/china-says-philippines-harming-maritime-rights-160440730.html)
12 hours ago


China on Tuesday accused the Philippines of harming its maritime rights and interests in the South China Sea, in sharp retaliation to claims by Manila that Beijing is undermining regional peace.

The Philippines said over the weekend that China dispatched vessels to intimidate rivals in disputed areas of the South China Sea, violating "maritime jurisdiction" and undermining "the peace and stability of the region."

But Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei hit back at the accusations Tuesday, saying the Chinese vessels were merely cruising and carrying out scientific studies in waters under Beijing's jurisdiction.

"China asks the Filipino side to stop harming China's sovereignty and maritime rights and interests, which leads to unilateral actions that expand and complicate South China Sea disputes," he said.
He also said Manila should stop publishing "irresponsible statements that do not match the facts."

The Paracel archipelago and the more southerly Spratly islands in the South China Sea are both potentially resource-rich outcrops that straddle strategic shipping lanes.

The Philippines, China, Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam claim all or part of the territories in question, and recent renewed tensions drew a warning Saturday from the United States that the disputes could lead to armed conflict.

China and Vietnam are also locked in a dispute related to the sovereignty of the Paracel archipelago and the Spratlys. The diplomatic flare-up even triggered a protest in Hanoi -- a rare occurrence in the country.

In short, it's just a code name.

It's a battle cry (http://www.answers.com/topic/battle-cry) but the Filipino use of the word "tora tora" is more of a Filipinism (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_filipinism) describing any propeller-driven military aircraft as "tora tora". A perfect example is the frequest use of the word "xerox" when you photocopy a document, Xerox is a popular brand name of a photocopying machine.

I would like to make corrections regarding the PAF P-51 Mustangs, these WW2-era fighter/attack planes were actually retired long before the Kudetas in the 1980s but were "stolen" by rebel soldiers (RAM) in their hangars so they can use it against former President Cory Aquino's government. The F-86 Sabre replaced the role of the P-51 Mustang in the 1960s then the F-5 replaced the F-86 in the 1970s. The F-8 Crusader though failed to replace the F-5 due to some issues.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d61/Lest02/PAF%20sabres/sabre3.jpg
An old picture of an F-86, F-8, and F-5?

I wish Australia will donate the retired F-111 aircrafts. These arent multirole aircraft but they make excellent reiconessance aircfraft. They can be combat aircraft but they're we mainly bombers...they have excellent speed for a big aircraft. they were retired last year replaced by FA-18 super hornets.

Then maybe Australia can start to sell the older hornet once they're F-35 start arriving.They have 100 of them ordered.

As for submarines...they can sell collins class submarine since Australian Government never really favored the collins class...only problem is....they are quite loud for submarines...But we really need submarines...

I use to see these F-111 a lot they are awesome specially when they do the afterburn...I miss seing them since last year

Ang Tunay na Kulay ng CPP/NPA (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFumxFCrmr8&feature=related

Ang Tunay na Kulay ng CPP/NPA (Part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7T6LlpV5GY&feature=related

Ang Tunay na Kulay ng CPP/NPA (Part 3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXPT6cHgS6s&feature=related

Ang Tunay na Kulay ng CPP/NPA (Part 4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWNyzX6nHJ0&feature=related

Ang Tunay na Kulay ng CPP/NPA (Part 5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwqkI0QPa4g&feature=related

I wish Australia will donate the retired F-111 aircrafts. These arent multirole aircraft but they make excellent reiconessance aircfraft. They can be combat aircraft but they're we mainly bombers...they have excellent speed for a big aircraft. they were retired last year replaced by FA-18 super hornets.

Then maybe Australia can start to sell the older hornet once they're F-35 start arriving.They have 100 of them ordered.


The Australians have 28 F-111Cs and 15 F-111Gs since 1973-2010.

The F-111C is the export version for Australia, combining the F-111A with longer F-111B wings and strengthened FB-111A landing gear. Australia ordered 24 F-111s, and following delays the Royal Australian Air Force accepted the aircraft in 1973. Four were converted to the RF-111C reconnaissance variant in 1979-80. Australia also purchased four ex-USAF F-111As and converted them to C standard. F-111C aircraft received avionics, weapons system and other upgrades during their time in service. The RAAF retired its last F-111Cs in December 2010.

I don't think the PAF will consider another notorious aircraft.

Seven of the 28 F-111Cs and one of the 15 F-111Gs were destroyed in accidents during their service with the RAAF. These accidents cost of lives of 10 aircrew.

The PAF retired their F-5s due to high maintenance cost.

One of the reasons given for the retirement is the average of 180 hours of maintenance required for every flight hour.

Sad to say but the Australian F-111 will be scrapped.

Four of the F-111Cs will be placed on display, one each in Adelaide and Melbourne, and two at Amberley in Queensland. The remaining F-111Cs will be scrapped.

The USAF nicknamed it as Aardvark but in Australia they call it the PIG! :lol:


As for submarines...they can sell collins class submarine since Australian Government never really favored the collins class...only problem is....they are quite loud for submarines...But we really need submarines...

I use to see these F-111 a lot they are awesome specially when they do the afterburn...I miss seing them since last year

The Philippine Navy may not consider a problematic submarine.

The submarines have been the subject of incidents and technical problems since the design phase, including accusations of foul play and bias during the design selection, improper handling of design changes during construction, major capability deficiencies in the first submarines, and ongoing technical problems throughout the early life of the class. These problems have been compounded by the inability of the RAN to retain sufficient personnel to operate the submarines — by 2008, only three could be manned, and for periods during 2009 and 2010, only one was fully operational. The resulting negative press has led to a poor public perception of the Collins class.

It is expected that the Collins class will remain in service until the 2020s. Planning for a replacement class of up to twelve vessels commenced in 2007. The new boats are predicted to enter service from 2025, and be active until the 2070s.

:lol: psychotic yata yung isa dito ahh

schizo,bipolar yung nagpopost ot:lol:

:blahblah: ...

sa dubai world cup( horse racing) gumamit noon ng 5 stealth fighter F-117.saan kaya galing yun???israel kaya or us or uae airforce??? sabi ng ibang nagmamagaling sa back posts na us lang ang may stealth pero ang info ko noong 1995 israel-lebanon(with palestine soldiers) conflict gumagamit na ang israel ng F-17, walang naniniwala, sa akin, eh sino ang magaling dito na makapag eexplain???bakit gumamit ng F-17 ang dubai???pang airshow lang sa fireworks...info nito???for those jewish blooded wag muna kayo magsasabi.ok. בְּכֵנוּ

weeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww

Ang Tunay na Kulay ng CPP/NPA (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFumxFCrmr8&feature=related

Ang Tunay na Kulay ng CPP/NPA (Part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7T6LlpV5GY&feature=related

Ang Tunay na Kulay ng CPP/NPA (Part 3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXPT6cHgS6s&feature=related

Ang Tunay na Kulay ng CPP/NPA (Part 4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWNyzX6nHJ0&feature=related

Ang Tunay na Kulay ng CPP/NPA (Part 5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwqkI0QPa4g&feature=related

tsk tsk tsk.. sila pala ang sahilan kung bakit mahirap ang pilipinas... mga @#%@#$@#$@2 nyu!!! babangon din ang pilipinas tandaan nila yan.. :ohno:

have you heard about the 1995 peace agreement with the MNLF which led to the creation of the ARMM? care to share your thoughts on that supposedly useless negotiation as you said?

and with Erap's 2000 all-out war, haven't you remembered that it promised to end the moro insurgency for good because of the failure of peace talks? but what resulted from that senseless offensive? care to share your thoughts on that?

have you been familiar with the policy milestones that the ongoing GRP negotiations in Oslo and Norway have achieved? if not, then your ill-educated and spartan opinion of plunging us into civil war will only be a big joke.. tsk

^^ hmm i dont know why but it seem's like i am always your target here :cheers: anyway,... will you mind reading my statement again 1st? i said that we also have to talk about it 1st, and if it doesn't work then we go Attack... Erap launched an offensive coz they are abusing the peace agreements and that's what i also want to happen, to end the moro insurgency for good by declaring an all out war... when Erap attacked the ARMM, our country finally raised our own flag in that area which is a symbol of unity... though i know there are lot's of Muslim's who go against it but at least it became peaceful and controllable... but what happened after? Arroyo actually gave them those camps back and the ARMM once again was re-established,... sayang, nakuha na natin yung Camp Abu Bakr... which is their stronghold... wasn't it a stupid idea? look what happens next... and for our country to be more peaceful, then let's do what South Korea did, bawal yung mga ordinaryong citizen magka-roon ng baril...only thw military and some authorities are allowed to hold firearms... (though i know maraming aayaw niyan)

please stop insulting my education coz in the 1st place my education does not really connect to that military things but i'm also interested when it comes to military talks... hope your not provoking me :)

100,000 Fil-Ams celebrate Independence Day in song, dance

By Elton Lugay
TheFilAm.net
7:09 pm | Wednesday, June 8th, 2011

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/3508/100000-fil-ams-celebrate-independence-day-in-song-dance

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Guam proclaims Filipino Independence and Heritage Month

INQUIRER.net
8:31 pm | Wednesday, June 8th, 2011

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/3556/guam-proclaims-filipino-independence-and-heritage-month

Palace insists Chinese ships 'intruded' into PHL territory
AMITA O. LEGASPI, GMA News (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/222846/nation/palace-insists-chinese-ships-intruded-into-phl-territory)
06/08/2011 | 03:38 PM


Malacañang on Wednesday maintained its earlier stance on the alleged intrusion of Chinese vessels into Philippine territory in the South China Sea, despite calls from Chinese authorities to put a stop to such "irresponsible claims."

“We are very careful in crafting these statements and we see to it that we back up our statements and base them on facts," deputy presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte said at a press briefing.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei had admonished the Philippines to "stop issuing irresponsible comments that are inconsistent with facts."

The Philippines earlier denounced the increasing assertiveness of Chinese ships in the area.

The Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) said the actions of the Chinese vessels in Philippine waters "are serious violations of Philippine sovereignty and maritime jurisdiction and also violate the ASEAN-China Declaration of Conduct on the South China Sea."

Last week, Manila conveyed to the Chinese Embassy's Charge d'affaires its "serious concerns" over China's recent actions in the South China Sea.

A news release on the DFA website last Wednesday said the sightings included those of a China Marine Surveillance (CMS) vessel and other People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) ships in the vicinity of Iroquois (Amy Douglas) Bank in the West Philippine Sea.

"These ships reportedly unloaded building materials, erected an undetermined number of posts, and placed a buoy near the breaker of the Iroquois Bank," the DFA said.

Iroquois Bank is located southwest of Recto (Reed) Bank and east of Patag (Flat) Island.

According to the DFA, it is "well within the Philippines' 200 nautical miles Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ)."

The DFA said the posts and buoy placed by the Chinese in the vicinity of Iroquois Bank are about 26 nautical miles east of Patag Island and 125 nautical miles from mainland Palawan.

The Philippines and China, as well as Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan, have overlapping claims in in the South China Sea.

"Ang lagi nating sinasabi, we stand by what we believe in, and we stand by kung ano po yung atin. Yun lang naman po yung pinapaalala rin natin," Valte said.

She further said that the Aquino administration will “reiterate our stand that we will handle these conflicts in the most diplomatic way possible."

NASAN na ung ating OV-10 Bronco. Y'all keep bragging about these cold war era aircraft, y'all might as well put these half-assed assets into action and scare them chink fishermen.

Dapat si Ligot at Garcia ang mga iharap sa mga nagsisigawang mga intsik para malaman nila kung ano ang ibig sabihin ng 'bansa'. :lol:

NASAN na ung ating OV-10 Bronco. Y'all keep bragging about these cold war era aircraft, y'all might as well put these half-assed assets into action and scare them chink fishermen.

Philippines:

The Philippine AF has upgraded 16 of its OV-10A/C Broncos under the Marsh Aviation performance upgrade, see separate entry. A further four inducted. A comprehensive avionics and structural enhancement is also underway with Asian Aerospace conducting the work under licence from Boeing. This upgrade is being carried out as part of the AFP Modernisation Programme that covers a number of platforms. The Philippine AF in early 2011 was poised to receive an undisclosed number of OV-10 aircraft from the Royal Thai AF.


www.janes.com
JAWA

China scolds Phl over sea dispute (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=694384&publicationSubCategoryId=63)
By Pia Lee-Brago (The Philippine Star) Updated June 09, 2011 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - China has accused the Philippines of “harming Beijing’s sovereignty and maritime rights and interests” that complicate the South China Sea dispute.

The China Daily reported Tuesday that Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei had claimed that China holds a long-term and consistent position on the South China Sea, and the position remains unchanged for centuries and is in accordance with international laws, including the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).

“China asks the Philippine side to stop harming China’s sovereignty and maritime rights and interests, which leads to unilateral actions that expand and complicate South China Sea disputes. The Philippine side should stop publishing irresponsible statements that do not match the facts,” Hong said.

Beijing also rejected on Tuesday the Philippines’ accusation on the South China Sea issue.

“Chinese vessels were cruising and carrying out scientific studies in waters under China’s jurisdiction, and their activities were in line with the law,” Hong said.

The Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) conveyed to the Chinese embassy on Friday its protest over the increasing presence and activities of Chinese vessels, including naval assets, in the West Philippine Sea.

Even as China belied the incursion of Chinese ships in the West Philippine Sea, the DFA said the presence and actions of Chinese vessels in the area are “confirmed” and “actionable” reports leading to the filing of the diplomatic protest.

This protest followed a series of protests already filed by the DFA since the Reed Bank incident in March.

The Philippines filed a diplomatic protest after the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) reported to the DFA last Feb. 25 that a Chinese Navy vessel fired warning shots near Filipino fishing boats at the Quirino Atoll that is inside Philippine territorial waters near the West Philippine Sea.

The DFA said that these actions of Chinese vessels hamper the normal and legitimate fishing activities of Filipino fishermen in the area and undermine the peace and stability of the region.

The increasing activity of Chinese vessels in the South China Sea also violated maritime jurisdiction, and disobeyed the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties (DOC) in the South China Sea.

The DOC, a basic fundamental pillar of cooperation signed by members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and China, intends to reduce tension and peacefully resolve claims over the South China Sea and improve the general political climate in the disputed islands.

A provision in the DOC provides that “the parties undertake to exercise self-restraint in the conduct of activities that would complicate or escalate disputes and affect peace and stability including, among others, refraining from action of inhabiting on the presently uninhabited islands, reefs, shoals, cays, and other features and to handle their differences in a constructive manner.”

Hong said China had stood by its position for centuries.

Conducting missions and patrols by Chinese vessels in waters under Chinese jurisdiction was “completely reasonable.”

China, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan all claim territories in the sea, which covers an important shipping route and is thought to hold untapped oil and gas reserves.

China’s claim is to most of the sea’s 648,000 square miles (1.7 million square km), including the Spratly and Paracel archipelagos.

Manila has accused China of intrusions into its territory, citing six instances, including one in March when two Chinese patrol boats tried to ram a survey ship.

Vietnamese officials have also complained about Chinese activity in the contested waters, accusing Chinese patrol boats of harassing an oil-exploration ship conducting a seismic survey 120 kms (80 miles) off Vietnam’s south-central coast.

One incident this month, in which Chinese vessels placed a buoy and posts in a part of the sea it claims, spurred protests in the cities of Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh.

Unaware of specifics

A transcript of the press conference last June 2 in Beijing posted on the Foreign Ministry website indicated that Hong said he was not aware of specific information about China’s reported plan to install deep-water oil rig in the South China Sea for oil and gas exploration, which has invited protests from the Philippines.

“I am not aware of the specific information. I would like to stress that the economic activities conducted by Chinese enterprises in waters under Chinese jurisdiction are completely normal,” Hong said.

The DFA summoned on May 31 the Chinese charge d’affaires Bai Tian to protest sightings of Chinese Navy vessels erecting posts at the West Philippine Sea.

Citing reports from the Department of National Defense and the Armed Forces of the Philippines, the DFA requested clarification from Bai Tian regarding the recent sightings of a China marine surveillance vessel and other People‘s Liberation Army Navy ships in the vicinity of Iroquois Reef-Amy Douglas Bank in the West Philippine Sea.

The DFA said the ships reportedly unloaded building materials, erected an undetermined number of posts, and placed a buoy near the breaker of the Iroquois Bank.

The DFA also contradicted the statement of the Chinese embassy in Manila that their ships are merely marine research ships conducting normal maritime research activities.

“Marine scientific research in another country’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ) is allowed only on prior notice and consent. No such request has been received,” a senior DFA official revealed.

The Chinese embassy said “China holds a clear and consistent position on the South China Sea issue.”

Michelle Zhao, spokesperson of the Chinese embassy, said in a statement that “the reported incursion of Chinese ships is not true.”

The Chinese diplomat said, “It is only China’s marine research ship conducting normal maritime research activities on the South China Sea.”

Deputy presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte said the Philippines would continue protesting the incursions made by Chinese vessels into the country’s territorial waters despite China’s claims that Manila’s statements were irresponsible.

“We are very careful in crafting these statements and we see to it that we back up our statements and base it on facts,” Valte said.

Valte said the incursions were a “very sensitive issue.”

She stressed the Philippines would continue to file diplomatic protests based on the incidents reported by the Department of National Defense.

“We stand by what we believe in and what is ours. That is what we are trying to remind them,” she said.

“Like what President Aquino said, we are preparing reports on these alleged incursions and that we want to present them to the appropriate body,” she said.

Encroaching on EEZ

AFP spokesman Commodore Miguel Rodriguez said that China could not conduct any operation within the Philippines’ EEZ without permission.

Rodriguez said the military stands by the government’s claim that Chinese vessels have intruded into Philippine territory.

“What we know is that it is part of our exclusive economic zone and when it’s an exclusive economic zone, it becomes the right of the coastal state exclusively to explore and exploit the natural resources in that area and this right can be seconded only with permission,” Rodriguez said in a press briefing.

“Another state cannot just come in and do maritime research in an area that is the exclusive economic zone of a coastal state,” he added.

Rodriguez said they would just let the DFA respond to the political aspects of China’s statement.

“We are supposed to just do our job and then let the Department of Foreign Affairs speak on the political issue,” he said.

Rodriguez reiterated that the military is prepared to perform its mandate of ensuring the integrity and sovereignty of the country.

On Wednesday, Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said he is counting on China’s commitment to work for peace and stability in the region.

“We’re hoping this will come into reality. You have heard the speech of the Chinese defense minister. He was saying all along that they’re for peace and stability in the region and that military buildup is not intended as a threat for any country,” he said.

Gazmin said China would “lose face” before the international community if it fails to keep its promise.

He nevertheless is optimistic that the dispute involving the Spratly Islands would be resolved through non-violent means.

On Sunday, Chinese defense minister General Liang Guanglie assured his counterparts in the Asia Pacific that China remains committed to maintain peace and stability in the region.

Speaking during the Asia security meet in Singapore, Liang said China is improving its military capability to protect its sovereignty and not to pose threat to peace.

China urged to uphold UNCLOS

The Philippines urged China and all other claimants in the South China Sea to abide by the UNCLOS that provides rules on inter-state relations instead of a “mighty” nation prevailing over others.

A senior DFA official, who asked not to be identified, said that all claimant countries should give importance to the UNCLOS that provides the rules.

The official also emphasized that the Philippines does not want another Mischief Reef incident because of China’s recent actions in the West Philippine Sea.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson said China is willing to seek solutions to properly handle the dispute by directly consulting or negotiating with the Philippines.

Hong said China is also willing to work with all sides involved to fully implement the DOC to safeguard the stability of the sea by practical means and build it into a sea of peace, friendship and cooperation.

On Tuesday, China cited the United States’ stake in the stability and security of the world’s second-busiest sealane.

He said China is willing to negotiate directly with the Philippines to “seek an appropriate resolution to the relevant dispute.”

China could launch its first aircraft carrier this year, according to Chinese military and political sources, a year earlier than US military analysts had expected.

Despite that growing naval might, China says it poses no threat to its neighbors and that its long-term double-digit increases in military spending are in line with overall growth.


Interesting...

Vietnamese officials have also complained about Chinese activity in the contested waters, accusing Chinese patrol boats of harassing an oil-exploration ship conducting a seismic survey 120 kms (80 miles) off Vietnam’s south-central coast.

Vietnam has guided missile warships, attack submarines and fighter jets!

I didn't know THAILAND is giving us free planes. I thought they only gave us free rice?

I didn't know THAILAND is giving us free planes. I thought they only gave us free rice?

That would be the 2nd time that Thailand will be giving us OV-10 Broncos.

The Philippine Air Force (PAF) received a total of 24 OV-10A from US stocks in 1991, later followed by a further nine from the United States, and 8 ex-Thai Air Force OV-10C models in 2003–2004.

http://www.ov-10bronco.net/thailand.cfm

Philippine Air Force to receive OV-10's from Thailand

Updated 14:00 UTC, 12th January 2011

The Royal Thai Air Force is to donate OV-10 Bronco aircraft to the Philippine Air Force.

Philippines spokesman Brig. Gen. Jose Mabanta Jr. said that AFP Chief of Staff Gen. Ricardo David Jr. has finalized the matter to Thailand officials during his visit there over the weekend as one of the guests of Thailand King Bhumibol Adulyadej during his 84th birthday last Sunday.

“The finalization of the donation of the Royal Thai Armed Forces, in particular the Royal Thai Air Force, of their OV-10 to the Philippine Air Force was taken up,” said Mabanta.

“The matter has been discussed long ago but they are just talking about the particulars,” said Mabanta.

It was not clear, however, how many OV-10 Broncos are to be donated by Thailand.

http://airforcesreview.com/news-article/2011/01/12/95/Philippine-Air-Force-to-receive-OV-10s-from-Thailand.html

http://adroth.ph/AFP/paf/ov10/article.jpg

ok lang kahit donated ng Thailand, ang importante magagamit natin sa COIN operation, dyan effective ang OV-10.:)

ok lang kahit donated ng Thailand, ang importante magagamit natin sa COIN operation, dyan effective ang OV-10.:)

OMG.. now i really prove that philippines and thailand are close and tied with each other... hopefully china will like it.. :lol:

http://www.defenseworld.net//images/upload/46637.jpg

M-16 magazines of US troops made by Pinoys (http://defenseworld.net/go/defensenews.jsp?n=M-16%20magazines%20of%20US%20troops%20made%20by%20Pinoys&id=1097)
Our Bureau Tue, Sep 2, 2008

In this age of advanced technology and nonstop modernization, it may come as a surprise that a local company is a supplier of the world’s most powerful armed forces.

Maxistar Enterprises Inc., which started as a subcontractor for the manufacture of M-16 rifles and aluminum magazines for Elitool—the biggest producer of army equipment during the time of former President Ferdinand Marcos—is now the sole supplier of M-16 steel and aluminum magazines for the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) and the militaries of the United States, Canada, Germany, South Africa and France.

“When it [Elitool] closed, the AFP gave us the contract [to manufacture M-16 aluminum magazines] using the materials from Elitool. We were assisted by the research and development of AFP in making these products,” Maxistar President Jeanette Tolentino said.

Maxistar was part of an umbrella program in 1973 under the Self-Reliant Defense Posture (SRDP) of Presidential Decree 415 under then-President Marcos. SRDP aimed to support the local manufacturing of military equipment for the development of the country’s defense system.

A former executive for a Malaysian firm that created mortar fumes, Tolentino had been joining international defense shows since 1988. When she became Maxistar’s president, she brought the company to the international scene with help from the Center for International Trade Expositions and Missions or CITEM. With government support, Maxistar managed to make inroads and draw admiration for its products.

Since Maxistar began attending defense shows—Defendory in Greece and International Defense Exhibition and Seminar in Turkey—it started to earn raves for its standard M-16 aluminum magazines.

Its transition, however, from local supplying to international delivery did not come easy. “When we sell our products, we have to first sell our country,” said Tolentino, adding that other countries would have not believed in the quality of their products if it wasn’t for the support of the Philippine military.

But with QCD or quality, cost and delivery as its core values, the company was able to impress the AFP, the Philippine National Police, Philippine Air Force and the international defense departments of numerous countries with its high-quality products, low cost and ability to meet the set delivery schedule.

“We are duly licensed and under the direct supervision of the military,” Tolentino said. “Our products not only have to go through our own quality measures but also have to undergo military tests and evaluation upon delivery”.

While the cost of these defense equipment has skyrocketed by a staggering 180 percent since Maxistar began manufacturing, demand for its products locally and internationally has become consistent. Though locally made, the raw materials used in the aluminum magazines are all imported. Tolentino argued that the rising cost of aluminum and steel in the world market made it impossible for Maxistar not to raise the cost of its products.

Still, this did not discourage the local Armed Forces and police, as well as the foreign military from purchasing Maxistar products since that was more economical. The manufacture of armaments requires skilled and cheap labor, which the country had, allowing it to be competitive.

The business is all year round, said Tolentino. “You cannot find our products in the supermarket,” she said jokingly. “We cannot sell our products to just any individual”.

Tolentino noted that the escalated clashes in Mindanao have resulted in a big demand for M-16 magazines. That goes to show how important magazines are in winning battles.

Perhaps not too many Filipinos even know that the Filipino soldier and his counterpart in the West rely on the M-16 magazines made by Maxistar.

^^ hmm i dont know why but it seem's like i am always your target here :cheers: anyway,... will you mind reading my statement again 1st? i said that we also have to talk about it 1st, and if it doesn't work then we go Attack... Erap launched an offensive coz they are abusing the peace agreements and that's what i also want to happen, to end the moro insurgency for good by declaring an all out war... when Erap attacked the ARMM, our country finally raised our own flag in that area which is a symbol of unity... though i know there are lot's of Muslim's who go against it but at least it became peaceful and controllable... but what happened after? Arroyo actually gave them those camps back and the ARMM once again was re-established,... sayang, nakuha na natin yung Camp Abu Bakr... which is their stronghold... wasn't it a stupid idea? look what happens next... and for our country to be more peaceful, then let's do what South Korea did, bawal yung mga ordinaryong citizen magka-roon ng baril...only thw military and some authorities are allowed to hold firearms... (though i know maraming aayaw niyan)

please stop insulting my education coz in the 1st place my education does not really connect to that military things but i'm also interested when it comes to military talks... hope your not provoking me :)

it's because you always give very senseless arguments, and you keep repeating them.. if you're not knowledgeable on the subject, you might as well shut up rather than deceive people here of your false information and crappy opinion.

1) the takeover of Abubakar at the expense of thousands of dead Filipinos soldiers and Filipino-Muslims? and you call that a symbol of unity for the Phils? LOL

2) since when was the ARMM re-established by Arroyo as you said? bakit nawala ba ang ARMM? namatay ba? LOL again

3) what's with military camps? why is it important for you? did you know that when Abubakar was taken by the govt, the MILF immediately transferred to a larger camp in Darapanan, Lanao? LOL again

4) since when did Abubakar return back to the MILF? do you know that Abubakar is currently under the control of the 6th ID based in Awang? LOL again

my advice to you again is, get your facts straight, and if you're not confident of your facts, better shut the hell up because you're just making yourself the laughing stock of this thread

^^ There were attempts to expand the ARMM as a prelude to the Memorandum of Agreement on Ancestral Domain with the MILF.

In 2001 a new law, Republic A 9054, was passed for the expansion of the ARMM. In a plebiscite, Marawi City (situated within Lanao del Sur) and the province of Basilan (excluding Isabela City) opted to be integrated into the region. RA 9054 lapsed into law, without the signature of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo.

On July 18, 2008, Hermogenes Esperon, "peace advisor" to Philippine President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, announced a further expansion of the ARMM in line with an agreement reached between the Philippine government and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front. The deal, concluded after nearly six years of dialogue, gives the ARMM control of an additional 712 villages on the island of Mindanao, as well as far-reaching political and economic powers.

Finally, on October 14, 2008, the Supreme Court of the Philippines, by a highly divided vote of 8–7, declared “contrary to law and the Constitution” the Ancestral Domain Aspect (MOA-AD) of the Tripoli Agreement on Peace of 2001 between the Government of the Republic of the Philippines (GRP) and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF).

A journalist revisits Camp Abubakar 10 years after the fall (http://pecojonph.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/a-journalist-revisits-camp-abubakar-10-years-after-the-fall-froilan-gallardo/)
July 10, 2010 by PECOJON Online
Written by Froilan Gallardo

BARIRA, Maguindanao – The old, blue Tamaraw FX cruised across the beautiful countryside dotted with cornfields, abaca and coconut farms. Onboard were soldiers seemingly oblivious that this was once the most dangerous place in Mindanao.

Inside the van, Army Lt. Greg Jose and his men were not being overly alert; as if not motoring through a risky war zone. This was, after all, Camp Abubakar. And no more than three years ago, government troops were still being ambushed in the area.

But many of the trenches that once lined the former main headquarters of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front are no longer there. Mother nature claimed back the furrows MILF rebels once used to lay ambush on government troops.

Except for the ruins of a decrepit building in the fields, there is scant trace of the two-months of bitter fighting for control over the camp that sits on a 32,000-hectare land that sprawls between the towns of Matanog, Barira, Buldon and Parang in Maguindanao.

“It is really quiet here now. We are now friends with all the residents here,” Jose said.

Risky real estate

Ten years ago and Jose and his men would have all been dead had they traveled to and through the camp the way they did.

Camp Abubakar was more than a military camp.

MILF top leaders Al Haj Murad Ibrahim and the late Salamat Hashim had their offices there.

Murad, who was then MILF military chief, held office in Barangay Sarmiento, Matanog town while Salamat resided in a small bungalow inside Camp Abubakar itself.

Part of the camp were thriving Muslim communities over which the MILF ran a system of government based on Shariah law. Smoking was not allowed in these communities and wearing short pants even among males was forbidden.

The nearby forests, small lakes, and rivers provided natural routes and cover for the MILF fighters. Its agricultural fields were honeycombed with tunnels, ditches and trenches that formed an elaborate defense system.

Agricultural produce from farms helped sustain the small army of MILF fighters stationed in Camp Abubakar.

“The former Camp Abubakar was self sufficient. It had public markets and small businesses. It had a thriving community that supported the rebels,” Jose said.

The fall

Camp Abubakar was overrun on July 9, 2000 after two months of relentless airstrikes, artillery and ground onslaught by government troops. Murad declared a withdrawal of MILF forces from the Ramos Highway after the 1st Marine Brigade breeched the camp’s gateway in Barangay Langkong in Matanog, Maguindanao.

The Marines faced resistance around Mt. Cabuyao where women MILF guerillas in black uniforms were seen fighting in the trenches.

The MILF fighters also mounted .50 cal. machinegun emplacements on Mt. Bitu, which overlooked Camp Abubakar, and fired at the Marines who overran Murad’s house in Sitio Sarmiento, Matanog town.

Fighting was also fierce around Hill 463 in Matanog town, where Army Scout rangers and Marines fought against well-entrenched MILF rebels.

The ruins Lt. Jose and his men saw while onboard their van was what was left of the small beautiful bungalow MILF leader Salamat used to live and receive visitors in. And of visitors, he had many.

When government troops entered the bungalow two days after the fall of Camp Abubakar, they saw pictures of Senators Loren Legarda, Tingting Cojuangco and Mindanao leader Reuben Canoy on the cabinets and floors.

The conquering soldiers took everything they could lay their hands on for souvenirs. They even used books from Salamat’s impressive library collection for cooking.

Today, the bungalow is bereft of its colored roofs. Its fine wooden walls are gone and only the massive gray concrete foundation is left, though tall grasses from the nearby forest is about to reclaim that too.

Presidential trophy

Camp Abubakar was the prized catch of former President Joseph Estrada who launched an “All-out War” policy against the MILF rebels in a presidency he would ultimately not finish due to allegations of massive graft and corruption.

Estrada was so elated with the news of the capture that he flew to Camp Abubakar on July 10, 2000 and, together with his generals, posed in front of captured machineguns, computers and other military equipment for TV crews and photographers.

In celebrating the fall of Camp Abubakar, Estrada brought trucks of lechon and cold beer to feed the conquering soldiers, a move that was denounced by devout Muslims who see it as “a sacred ground for Islamic revival.”

The eating of pork and the partaking of liquor is considered forbidden in Islam.

Ten years later, Estrada ran in the 2010 presidential elections and made a campaign promise to crush the MILF rebels once and for all if he won.

The promise still won him big votes in Northern Mindanao, Bukidnon, Davao and Sarangani, which have predominant Christian voters, an indicator of the continued existence of a deep divide between peoples.

From battlefield to farms

The last 10 years of non-fighting though has brought back residents who evacuated when the war broke out and they have transformed the former battlefield back into lush agricultural farms.

President Gloria Arroyo, who’s continued Estrada’s term of office before getting a mandate of her own, contributed to the transformation by pouring millions of pesos in developmental aid to the area as part of her effort to win the “hearts and minds” of the Bangsa Moro people.

The road from Langkong to Camp Abubakar was concretized. A radio station was even put up although it went off the air shortly after.

Army engineers built a mosque in Sarmiento to replace the old one that was destroyed by the bombings. To entice residents to come back, a low-cost housing project was built, courtesy of Gawad Kalinga.

Because the weather around Camp Abubakar is cool, there was even talk of turning it into a tourism destination.

Yet, the dream of turning Camp Abubakar into a thriving economic zone failed and the hearts and minds program of Arroyo, whose term was also rocked with allegations of massive graft and corruption, also fell into question.

Farmers still use horses to bring their produce to the traders, who in turn, sell them to markets in Parang or Malabang town in Lanao del Sur.

Increments of change

The transition has not been easy. Lieutenant Jose and his men knew this as they waved their hands to a group of men standing beside the road to Camp Abubakar, which they have renamed Camp Iranun.

“We still support these people in whatever way we can. We are winning. These people are now our mass base,” he said.

Oling Basagon, 41, watched as her husband and son dry corn beside their house at the Gawad Kalinga housing project.

‘I don’t want to run anymore. I am enjoying a life of peace here,” Basagon said in the vernacular.

Basagon said it took them five years to gain enough courage to come and settle at the Gawad Kalinga housing project.

Before that, Basagon, who originally resided in Barira town, said the life of their family was “ from one evacuation center to another.”

“We ate relief food for two years. Life was never ending search for relief food,” Basagon narrated.

“We don’t have much here but the food is grown by us,” she added.

Shuffling the candy bags at her small sari-sari store, Basagon said they will not hesitate to run away again if war will broke out.

“We will run if the soldiers are around. They always attract violence,” she said.

I am looking for a map of the Philippines which includes Kalayaan Is. and Sabah. Can someone post it here? Thanks

meron pa kayang F5E tiger yung RTAF? Sana pati yun pamigay nalang...

I am looking for a map of the Philippines which includes Kalayaan Is. and Sabah. Can someone post it here? Thanks

Google is your friend... http://www.google.com.ph/search?um=1&hl=tl&biw=1062&bih=780&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=philippine+map+with+spratly+island+and+sabah&oq=philippine+map+with+spratly+island+and+sabah&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=18398l19442l0l10l9l0l7l0l1l254l348l1.0.1

meron pa kayang F5E tiger yung RTAF? Sana pati yun pamigay nalang...

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-5

Royal Thai Air Force: F-5A retired. Now operates F-5B/E/F/T, F-5B/E slated for retirement in 2011-2012, to be replaced by 12-JAS 39 Gripen. The last F-5 fleet, upgraded F-5T Tigris and F-5F will continue to serve to 2015-2020.

According to http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/06/30/329002/thailand-to-delay-retirement-of-f-5-fleet.html

DATE:30/06/09
SOURCE:Flight International
Thailand to delay retirement of F-5 fleet
By Siva Govindasamy

Thailand's air force will delay the retirement of its Northrop F-5 fleet after confirming that a plan to buy additional Saab Gripen fighters is off the table indefinitely.

Bangkok signed a deal with the Swedish company in 2008 and planned a follow-up order in 2010, with each contract including six Gripen fighters and one Saab 340-based airborne early warning aircraft.

However, the second deal is on hold after the Thai government cut its defence budget for the current fiscal year to 151 billion baht ($4.43 billion) from 171 billion baht. The military has taken the biggest hit as the country finds ways to fund an economic stimulus package.

As a result, the Royal Thai Air Force's older F-5E/Fs, which have been operational for several decades, will continue to be in service until the middle of the next decade, say industry sources. These will operate together with the first six Gripens until the country goes ahead with a follow-up order, they add.

"The air force had wanted to retire the older F-5s in 2013, when it planned to have an operational squadron of 12 Gripens. But now, they will continue to operate the F-5s as there is still no indication on when the budget for the Gripens will be back on the table. There is also no news on whether it needs to upgrade the F-5s, but that may be necessary at some point," says one source.

Apart from the older F-5s, which are believed to number around 12, the service also has around 15 F-5T Tigers that were upgraded by Israel's Elbit earlier this decade and 60 upgraded Lockheed Martin F-16A/Bs in its inventory.

Saab has begun manufacturing the Thai Gripens and Bangkok hopes to induct its first three aircraft by end-2010 and put them into service by January 2011. The remaining three should be in service by April 2011, says the air force. The service has chosen 10 pilots to train in Sweden, and investing 700 million baht to build new hangars and other facilities for the aircraft.

Thailand's armed forces also have requirements for new search and rescue, utility, and attack helicopters. However, these procurements have also been postponed due to the budget cuts. Earlier this year, the air force ordered a third Embraer ERJ-135 regional jet for VIP transport and medical evacuation missions.

The RTAF F-5E is yet to be retired therefore no plans to sell or donate it or even worse, scrap it.

^^ Already looked into Google, cant find a definitive map.

^^ Already looked into Google, cant find a definitive map.

Have you clicked on the link that I provided?

Click http://www.google.com.ph/search?um=1&hl=tl&biw=1062&bih=780&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=philippine+map+with+spratly+island+and+sabah&oq=philippine+map+with+spratly+island+and+sabah&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=18398l19442l0l10l9l0l7l0l1l254l348l1.0.1

China, Russia Could Make U.S. Stealth Tech Obsolete (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/stealth-tech-obsolete/)

By David Axe Email Author
June 7, 2011 |
7:00 am |
Categories: Air Force

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2011/06/030327-F-7203T-006-660x234.jpg


It’s been a pillar of the U.S. military’s approach to high-tech warfare for decades. And now, it could become obsolete in just a few years.

Stealth technology — which today gives U.S. jets the nearly unparalleled ability to slip past hostile radar — may soon be unable to keep American aircraft cloaked. That’s the potentially startling conclusion of a new report from Barry Watts, a former member of the Pentagon’s crystal-ball-gazing Office of Net Assessment and current analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in Washington.

“The advantages of stealth … may be eroded by advances in sensors and surface-to-air missile systems, especially for manned strike platforms operating inside defended airspace,” Watts cautions in his 43-page report The Maturing Revolution in Military Affairs (.pdf), published last week.

That could come as a big shock to the U.S. Air Force, which has bet its future on radar-dodging technology, to the tune of half-a-trillion dollars over the next 30 years. The Navy, on the other hand, might have reason to say, “I told you so.”

That is, if Watts’ prediction comes true — and that’s a big “if,” the analyst admits.

“In recent years there has been speculation that ongoing advances in radar detection and tracking will, in the near future, obviate the ability of all-aspect, low-observable aircraft such as the B-2, F-22 and F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, aka JSF, to survive inside denied airspace,” Watts writes, referring to America’s stealth bombers and fighter jets.

Stealth-killing advances include VHF and UHF radars being developed by Russia and China, and a “passive-detection” system devised by Czech researchers. The latter “uses radar, television, cellular phone and other available signals of opportunity reflected off stealthy aircraft to find and track them,” Watts explains.

These new detection systems could reverse a 30-year trend that has seen the U.S. Air Force gain an increasing advantage over enemy defenses. That phenomenon began with the introduction of the F-117 stealth fighter in the late 1980s, followed by the addition of the stealthy B-2 (pictured) in the ’90s and, more recently, the F-22.

So far, the Air Force has only ever fielded a few hundred stealth aircraft, requiring it to constantly upgrade some nonstealthy fighters. But the flying branch plans to purchase more than 1,700 F-35s (at more than $100 million a pop) from Lockheed Martin in coming decades, plus up to 100 new stealth bombers. In that sense, the stealth era is only now truly dawning — just as effective counter-measures are nearly ready, Watts points out.

In that sense, the Air Force’s stealth gamble could turn into very, very long odds.

Comparatively, the Navy has played it safe. At the same time the Air Force was investing its research and development dollars in stealth, the Navy has taken a different approach to defeating enemy defenses. Where the Air Force plans to slip past radars, the Navy means to jam them with electronic noisemakers or destroy them with radar-seeking missiles. That’s why the only radar-killing planes in the Pentagon inventory belong to the Navy — and why, until the forthcoming F-35C, the Navy has never bought a stealth fighter.

Nowhere is that philosophical difference more apparent than in the Pentagon’s on-again, off-again effort to develop jet-powered killer drones. The Navy’s X-47 drone, built by Northrop, is minimally stealthy. Boeing’s Phantom Ray, intended mostly for Air Force programs, is arguably as stealthy as an F-35 in certain scenarios.

There’s still a chance the Air Force’s bet on stealth could pay off, Watts writes. That largely depends on two capabilities planned for the F-35.

First, there’s “the JSF’s sensor suite and computational power,” which Watts explains “can be easily upgraded over time due to the plane’s open avionics architecture, giv[ing] the F-35 an ability to adjust its flight path in real time in response to pop-up threats, something neither the F-117 nor the B-2 have been able to do.”

Second, the F-35’s radar, a so-called “electronically scanned array,” could in theory be used to jam an enemy radar or even slip malicious software code into its control system.

Neither of these capabilities is actually a form of stealth, per se. Rather, they would complement the F-35’s ability to absorb or deflect radar waves. Described uncharitably, the Air Force has had to add nonstealthy skills to its stealth fighters, just to help them survive.

Watts doesn’t address one other way the Air Force could preserve its stealth advantage: by speeding up the development of drone aircraft — which, by virtue of their smaller size, have the potential to be much stealthier than any manned aircraft.

It’s also worth noting that America’s biggest rivals don’t doubt the continuing relevance of stealthy planes. Russia and China have both unveiled new stealth-fighter prototypes in the last two years.

The way Watts describes it, the “end of stealth” is just one of the many big changes that could occur in near-future warfare — big emphasis on “could.” “The honest answer to the question about how fundamentally war’s conduct will change — and how soon — remains: It depends.”

it's because you always give very senseless arguments, and you keep repeating them.. if you're not knowledgeable on the subject, you might as well shut up rather than deceive people here of your false information and crappy opinion.

1) the takeover of Abubakar at the expense of thousands of dead Filipinos soldiers and Filipino-Muslims? and you call that a symbol of unity for the Phils? LOL

2) since when was the ARMM re-established by Arroyo as you said? bakit nawala ba ang ARMM? namatay ba? LOL again

3) what's with military camps? why is it important for you? did you know that when Abubakar was taken by the govt, the MILF immediately transferred to a larger camp in Darapanan, Lanao? LOL again

4) since when did Abubakar return back to the MILF? do you know that Abubakar is currently under the control of the 6th ID based in Awang? LOL again

my advice to you again is, get your facts straight, and if you're not confident of your facts, better shut the hell up because you're just making yourself the laughing stock of this thread

^^ what? your telling me to "shut up"?? isn't this ssc an open forum where everyone has the rights to open up their opinion?? (like freedom of Speech??) if you don't like reading other people's comments specially those who wants to know more... then make your own forum... ok, 1.now... do you think we are united with those moro's when they are still fighting for their FREEDOM?? 2. di naman namatay yung ARMM eh, gusto lang naman ni Erap na kontrol yung Mindanao at maging mapayapa... can't you get it? tingin mo ba magiging peaceful tayo kung mayroong MILF?? since when did that peace talks ever work?? 3 & 4,... ok, i admit i really dont have any idea what happened to that Abu Bakar now thing is... this rebellion became active again and yeah, they are even trying to expand the ARMM coz as what iv'e heard... they are attempting to claim the whole Mindanao... Wow, thank's for the piece of advice... i like it, shut the hell up? bot haim, BULI KALA TIM IROY... :lol:

please read: :D
http://hdn.org.ph/speech-of-former-president-estrada-on-the-grp-moro-conflict/

adi toy, lamuna... :)

Google is your friend... http://www.google.com.ph/search?um=1&hl=tl&biw=1062&bih=780&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=philippine+map+with+spratly+island+and+sabah&oq=philippine+map+with+spratly+island+and+sabah&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=18398l19442l0l10l9l0l7l0l1l254l348l1.0.1



According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-5



According to http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/06/30/329002/thailand-to-delay-retirement-of-f-5-fleet.html



The RTAF F-5E is yet to be retired therefore no plans to sell or donate it or even worse, scrap it.

^^boy magaling, paki explain ng naipost ko kung bakit nakagamit ng stealth F-17 ang uae sa dubai city....

Have you clicked on the link that I provided?

Click http://www.google.com.ph/search?um=1&hl=tl&biw=1062&bih=780&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=philippine+map+with+spratly+island+and+sabah&oq=philippine+map+with+spratly+island+and+sabah&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=18398l19442l0l10l9l0l7l0l1l254l348l1.0.1

Yes I did.

China, Russia Could Make U.S. Stealth Tech Obsolete (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/stealth-tech-obsolete/)

By David Axe Email Author
June 7, 2011 |
7:00 am |
Categories: Air Force

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2011/06/030327-F-7203T-006-660x234.jpg


It’s been a pillar of the U.S. military’s approach to high-tech warfare for decades. And now, it could become obsolete in just a few years.

Stealth technology — which today gives U.S. jets the nearly unparalleled ability to slip past hostile radar — may soon be unable to keep American aircraft cloaked. That’s the potentially startling conclusion of a new report from Barry Watts, a former member of the Pentagon’s crystal-ball-gazing Office of Net Assessment and current analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in Washington.

“The advantages of stealth … may be eroded by advances in sensors and surface-to-air missile systems, especially for manned strike platforms operating inside defended airspace,” Watts cautions in his 43-page report The Maturing Revolution in Military Affairs (.pdf), published last week.

That could come as a big shock to the U.S. Air Force, which has bet its future on radar-dodging technology, to the tune of half-a-trillion dollars over the next 30 years. The Navy, on the other hand, might have reason to say, “I told you so.”

That is, if Watts’ prediction comes true — and that’s a big “if,” the analyst admits.

“In recent years there has been speculation that ongoing advances in radar detection and tracking will, in the near future, obviate the ability of all-aspect, low-observable aircraft such as the B-2, F-22 and F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, aka JSF, to survive inside denied airspace,” Watts writes, referring to America’s stealth bombers and fighter jets.

Stealth-killing advances include VHF and UHF radars being developed by Russia and China, and a “passive-detection” system devised by Czech researchers. The latter “uses radar, television, cellular phone and other available signals of opportunity reflected off stealthy aircraft to find and track them,” Watts explains.

These new detection systems could reverse a 30-year trend that has seen the U.S. Air Force gain an increasing advantage over enemy defenses. That phenomenon began with the introduction of the F-117 stealth fighter in the late 1980s, followed by the addition of the stealthy B-2 (pictured) in the ’90s and, more recently, the F-22.

So far, the Air Force has only ever fielded a few hundred stealth aircraft, requiring it to constantly upgrade some nonstealthy fighters. But the flying branch plans to purchase more than 1,700 F-35s (at more than $100 million a pop) from Lockheed Martin in coming decades, plus up to 100 new stealth bombers. In that sense, the stealth era is only now truly dawning — just as effective counter-measures are nearly ready, Watts points out.

In that sense, the Air Force’s stealth gamble could turn into very, very long odds.

Comparatively, the Navy has played it safe. At the same time the Air Force was investing its research and development dollars in stealth, the Navy has taken a different approach to defeating enemy defenses. Where the Air Force plans to slip past radars, the Navy means to jam them with electronic noisemakers or destroy them with radar-seeking missiles. That’s why the only radar-killing planes in the Pentagon inventory belong to the Navy — and why, until the forthcoming F-35C, the Navy has never bought a stealth fighter.

Nowhere is that philosophical difference more apparent than in the Pentagon’s on-again, off-again effort to develop jet-powered killer drones. The Navy’s X-47 drone, built by Northrop, is minimally stealthy. Boeing’s Phantom Ray, intended mostly for Air Force programs, is arguably as stealthy as an F-35 in certain scenarios.

There’s still a chance the Air Force’s bet on stealth could pay off, Watts writes. That largely depends on two capabilities planned for the F-35.

First, there’s “the JSF’s sensor suite and computational power,” which Watts explains “can be easily upgraded over time due to the plane’s open avionics architecture, giv[ing] the F-35 an ability to adjust its flight path in real time in response to pop-up threats, something neither the F-117 nor the B-2 have been able to do.”

Second, the F-35’s radar, a so-called “electronically scanned array,” could in theory be used to jam an enemy radar or even slip malicious software code into its control system.

Neither of these capabilities is actually a form of stealth, per se. Rather, they would complement the F-35’s ability to absorb or deflect radar waves. Described uncharitably, the Air Force has had to add nonstealthy skills to its stealth fighters, just to help them survive.

Watts doesn’t address one other way the Air Force could preserve its stealth advantage: by speeding up the development of drone aircraft — which, by virtue of their smaller size, have the potential to be much stealthier than any manned aircraft.

It’s also worth noting that America’s biggest rivals don’t doubt the continuing relevance of stealthy planes. Russia and China have both unveiled new stealth-fighter prototypes in the last two years.

The way Watts describes it, the “end of stealth” is just one of the many big changes that could occur in near-future warfare — big emphasis on “could.” “The honest answer to the question about how fundamentally war’s conduct will change — and how soon — remains: It depends.”


eh 40 years ng obsolete ang stealth ng u.s., stealth technology was used during 60's, of course, this time because of advancenment in technology a stealth can be predicted by china and russia, but us has a technology before
40 years ago that can detect stealth...palabas lang yan ng pentagon na watts na yan para isipin ng china at russia na maiintercept nila ang stealth,japan technology is more advance than russia and china, u.s. technolgy is 1 decade advance than japanese tech...parang bata ang china at russia na nagyayabang sa kanyang ama na"papa,alam ko na ang technique mo kung bat masarap ang gatas ko, dahil sa asukal na nilagay mo"kung japan matatakot pa ako, dahil ang japan ay may history na hindi natalo ng china sa gyera at sumakop pa sa asia pacific...china???wala...si khublai khan ay nagpadala ng 1,000 ships at chinese warriors ay naglaho sa majapahit empire sa java at hindi na nakaabot sa indonesia kung saan andun ang seat ng empire....oh china,china,china, porselana ka lang...babasagin,mukha mo man ay higanting nakakatakot,kutis mo man ay kumikinang,china ka pa rin,babasagin

^^boy magaling, paki explain ng naipost ko kung bakit nakagamit ng stealth F-17 ang uae sa dubai city....

There is NO such thing as a stealth F17! But there was a YF-17 that was a prototype lightweight fighter aircraft designed for the USAF Lightweight Fighter (LWF) technology evaluation program by Northrop which lose against the winning rival bidder - the F-16 Fighting Falcon; the YF-17 was later chosen then developed by the US Navy to become the US Navy F/A-18 Hornet.

http://aviones.herobo.com/f17a.jpg
The Northrop YF17 Cobra

^^na ah, sa world cup ng dubai, akala ko mgagaling ka....obsesed and possessed k lang sa military, mahilig sa baril barilan kayat nagkanda loko loko ang sagot mo.simple lang nmn ang sagot, yan ang produkto ng malaking budget

Google is your friend... http://www.google.com.ph/search?um=1&hl=tl&biw=1062&bih=780&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=philippine+map+with+spratly+island+and+sabah&oq=philippine+map+with+spratly+island+and+sabah&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=18398l19442l0l10l9l0l7l0l1l254l348l1.0.1

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-5

According to http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/06/30/329002/thailand-to-delay-retirement-of-f-5-fleet.html

The RTAF F-5E is yet to be retired therefore no plans to sell or donate it or even worse, scrap it.

Hi guys. I just want to give you updates on this news. The Thai gov and the lower house have already passed the 2011 budget bill last year which includes the fund for the 2nd batch of the Gripen's already. So the plan to retire the F-5E based at wing 7 is still going, probably in 2-3 years once all Gripen's are here. That leaves the RTAF with only the T variant of the F-5 family based at wing 2 in the north and is not scheduled to receive its replacement until 5+ years from now.

But I'm not sure how many flying hours those retired F-5E's still have left though. A couple hundreds perhaps? If I were the decision maker of the PAF, I guess buying 2nd hand F-16 or new Kfir's would make more sense than getting these F-5's and upgrade them. But on the other hand, PAF already has experience with F-5 before. So maybe you don't need too much familiarization with the type and can instantly use them as a stop gap measure for 3-5 years. What do you think?

PS. sorry to pop up here as an outsider. But I hope it's fine with you guys for me to share what I know. :) (besides, the original Asian Defense thread in the international forum has turned into a war of words already. I won't be there for a while)

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Thailand Orders Second Gripen Batch

Sweden and Thailand today signed an agreement for the delivery of a further six Gripen fighter aircraft together with one Saab 340 Airborne Early Warning surveillance system and the Swedish RB 15F missile system.

At a ceremony in Stockholm today, the Director General of Sweden’s Defence Materiel Administration, FMV, Gunnar Holmgren and Itthaporn Subhawong, Air Chief Marshal, Commander in Chief of the Royal Thai Air Force, signed an agreement for the delivery of a further six Gripen fighter aircraft together with one Saab 340 Airborne Early Warning surveillance system and the Swedish RB 15F missile system.

This is the second phase of the co-operation between the Kingdom of Sweden and the Kingdom of Thailand, the first phase started with the agreement in February 2008. Today’s agreement consists of six Gripen fighter aircraft of the latest C version together with one Saab 340 Airborne Early Warning surveillance system and the Swedish RB 15F missile system.

In a comment to the agreement the Director General of FMV, Gunnar Holmgren stated:

“I am very pleased that we have been able to conclude the negotiations of phase 2 in a successful way for both parties. The content in phase 2 and phase 1 will give RTAF a very capable air defence together with both surveillance and net work centric operation capability.”

The agreement also includes logistic support and training. Delivery of the Gripen aircraft will take place during 2013.

Since 1 August 2010 Sweden has a new authority to promote defense export and benefit Swedish defence and security policies, the Swedish Defense and Security Export Agency (FXM).

In a comment to the agreement the Director General of FXM, Ulf Hammarström stated:

“From FXM I am very pleased to see the co-operation between Sweden and Thailand further strengthened through the new agreement. We look forward to take part in the continuing co-operation between the two countries.”

http://geneva-globaldefence.blogspot.com/2010/11/thailand-orders-second-gripen-batch.html

http://defense-studies.blogspot.com/2010/08/thai-budget-makes-provision-for-second.html

^^ You're very much welcome to post here. At least we get to know the military development of your country.

There is NO such thing as a stealth F17! But there was a YF-17 that was a prototype lightweight fighter aircraft designed for the USAF Lightweight Fighter (LWF) technology evaluation program by Northrop which lose against the winning rival bidder - the F-16 Fighting Falcon; the YF-17 was later chosen then developed by the US Navy to become the US Navy F/A-18 Hornet.

http://aviones.herobo.com/f17a.jpg
The Northrop YF17 Cobra

I've seen this documentary about the origin of the F-18 hornet on Discovery Channel, it was the main contender of the ligthweight F-16, but lost to the F-16, but it was later modified and won the contract for the navy's aircraft carrier used figther planes.:)

Northrop YF-17 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-17

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Northrop_YF-17_Cobra_060810-F-1234S-033.jpg/220px-Northrop_YF-17_Cobra_060810-F-1234S-033.jpg

interesting:

Philippine Air Force received 22 F-5A (single seat) and eight F-5B (two seater) aircraft in 1966. In 1988-89, the PAF received at least eight ex-Taiwanese F-5As. In 2001, five ex-South Korean F-5A/B were acquired. Although retired from service in 2006, two upgraded F-5Bs remain in flying condition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-5

Gloria Arroyo sold us out to the Chinese:


^^

Arroyo Spratlys deal impacts on balance of power in Asia (http://www.ellentordesillas.com/?p=2211)

Last Tuesday, as Filipinos were glued to their radio and TV sets following the latest development in the great rip-off, which is the NBN/ZTE deal, detained Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV filed Resolution No. 309 asking the Senate to investigate the agreement signed by Gloria Arroyo with China in September 2004 to explore areas in the South China Sea including parts belonging exclusively to the Philippines.

Trillanes’ resolution directs the Committees on Accountability of Public Officers and Investigations (Blue Ribbon), National Defense and Security, and Environment and Natural Resources to undertake the investigation after Malaya came out with a report last week that what Malacañang once dubbed as a “landmark” agreement to jointly explore parts of the disputed islands in the Spratlys is actually a “treacherous sellout of Philippine interest and Philippine sovereignty in exchange fro overpriced loans for anomalous projects which include the ZTE-NBN deal, the North Rail and South Rail projects, the Department of Education’s Cyber-Ed project among others.”

I’m glad that after four years of disinterest, the very important South China Sea exploration agreement is on the administration’s critics’ radar screen. I hope the clamor for transparency in this undertaking that involves the country’s patrimony and sovereignty becomes compelling.

The renewed interest, sparked by a recent article in the Far Eastern Economic Review on “Asean: Manila’s Bungle in the South China Sea” by Brian Wain is timely because the results of the so-called seismic study will soon be out. A Philippine diplomat said while the Arroyo may have gotten around the Constitutional prohibition with “seismic study,” it would not be easy when they now go to exploration stage.

When the agreement was still being worked out in 2004, the term used was “joint oil exploration” and it was to be sold to the public as the Arroyo administration’s answer to “the problem of soaring oil prices.” Merceditas Gutierrez, then acting justice secretary (now Ombudsman) objected, citing the Constitutional prohibition that “the exploration, development, and utilization of natural resources shall be under the full control and supervision of the State.”

A foreign service officer who was involved in that September 2004 China visit of Arroyo remembers being snapped at by then House Speaker Jose de Venecia when he voiced the DFA’s reservation on the agreement.

Some brilliant minds came up with the idea circumventing the “exploration” prohibition and used the word “seismic study”. Thus, what was signed was an “Agreement By and Between the Philippine National Oil Company and the China National Offshore Oil Company on Joint Marine Seismic Undertaking in the South China Sea” to “gather and process data on stratigraphy, tectonics and structural fabric of the subsurface of the area.”

Later on, Petro Vietnam joined the project after Vietnam, one of the six countries (others are Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan) with claims on parts of the South China Sea, protested over the project.

But there was something highly suspicious with that agreement because the copy of the agreement was never made public. Inquiries as to the location of the seismic study area were never answered. The closest that we got then was De Venecia’s description: “Part Philippine territory, not disputed and part disputed.”

I found that shocking and I asked him: “We allowed China to explore our territorial waters in exchange for a joint exploration of an area which we both claim?” JDV, as usual, went into his spiel about the agreement being a win-win solution for all claimant parties.

The sellout of Philippine territory is confirmed by the Far Eastern Review article which says, “The designated zone, a vast swathe of ocean off Palawan in the southern Philippines, thrusts into the Spratlys and abuts Malampaya, a Philippine producing gas field. About one-sixth of the entire area, closest to the Philippine coastline, is outside the claims by China and Vietnam.”

In the article, South China expert Mark Valencia was quoted saying: “Presumably for higher political purposes, the Philippines agreed to these joint surveys that include parts of its legal continental shelf that China and Vietnam don’t even claim.”

If “political purpose” means having loads and loads of money to buy political support, the people have reason to be outraged about reports of multi-million dollar commissions from projects funded by Chinese loans.

The agreement strengthens China’s hold over the whole South China area, which is a vital international oil route. It has an important impact on the geo-political balance of power. I can imagine the United States being seriously concerned about it.

from twitter

gmanews GMA News
AFP Chief Oban: Pinoy soldiers will shoot back when fired upon in the Spratlys or when Filipinos threatened. (via @chinogaston)

from twitter

gmanews GMA News
AFP Chief Oban: Pinoy soldiers will shoot back when fired upon in the Spratlys or when Filipinos threatened. (via @chinogaston)

well it's normal.. but if china fired and we do nothing.. that's we call bully again...:ohno:

but.....

US: We'll stand by Phl

By Pia Lee-Brago (The Philippine Star)
Updated May 18, 2011 12:00 AM
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MANILA, Philippines - The United States is ready to stand by the Philippines in the event of threats to its security, US Ambassador Harry Thomas Jr. said Monday.

“This is a commitment born of our shared histories and close ties, and we are proud to stand by your side,” Thomas said at a reception on board the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson, which docked in Manila Bay after a mission in the Arabian Sea.

“Now and in the future, we will maintain our strong relationship, and we are dedicated to being your partner whenever you are in harm’s way,” he said.

But he stressed that US defense of the Philippines does not include setting up a base.

“We don’t want bases,” he told The STAR the other night, adding he did not discuss this with President Aquino when the latter visited the aircraft carrier. “We want partners, not clients.”

Thomas also announced the turnover to the Philippines of the US Coast Guard cutter Hamilton in California.

continue reading: http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=687171&publicationSubCategoryId=63

That's very comforting to hear. BUT, that refers only to U.S. recognized Philippine territory. Kalayaan Islands are not.

That's very comforting to hear. BUT, that refers only to U.S. recognized Philippine territory. Kalayaan Islands are not.

How is that?
Consider this: Juan is Sam's friend. Juan has a relative that Sam does not know of who got injured. Juan asks his friend Sam for help.
Q: Does it follow that Sam won't help Juan just because Sam doesn't know Juan's relative?

Will the world governments who have some of their nationals and citizens' business exposure in the Philippines sit there and not push their own governments to come and help Philippines?

FYI, we're globally linked and anything happening on the other side of the pond surely sends ripples here and vice versa!

US also alarmed by China's intrusions: AFP chief

abs-cbnNEWS.com
Posted at 06/10/2011 1:10 AM
Updated as of 06/10/2011 1:10 AM

MANILA, Philippines - The United States is also alarmed by China's intrusions into Philippine territory, Armed Forces chief of staff Gen. Eduardo Oban said on Thursday.

He said President Benigno Aquino III's visit to the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson last month had a message for China.

Under their Mutual Defense Treaty, the US is obliged to help the Philippines if it gets attacked by another country.

Oban said Chinese forces have entered Philippine territory 6 times this year.

To boost the Philippines' defense and answer China's intrusions, the Armed Forces plan to buy more equipment and hardware worth around P11.9 billion within the next 3 years.

The military currently only has one radar while at least 6 are needed to secure the country's airspace.

Oban said Philippine troops will fire back if they are attacked in the Spratlys.

However, he said that based on statements made by the Chinese defense minister during his visit to the Philippines last month, the situation in the South China Sea has not deteriorated yet into a shooting war. - Report from Ces Oreña Drilon, ABS-CBN News


deteriorated yet??? mukang may balak ata kayong makipagyera ahh... parang kaya ahh.. :D

interesting:

Philippine Air Force received 22 F-5A (single seat) and eight F-5B (two seater) aircraft in 1966. In 1988-89, the PAF received at least eight ex-Taiwanese F-5As. In 2001, five ex-South Korean F-5A/B were acquired. Although retired from service in 2006, two upgraded F-5Bs remain in flying condition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-5

I wonder why they didn't deploy those 2 upgraded F-5Bs in the Pag-asa island airstrip or in Antonio Bautista Air Base, Palawan since it was stated that these 2 fighter jets were operational and to be put on active reserve for emergency use?

^^na ah, sa world cup ng dubai, akala ko mgagaling ka....obsesed and possessed k lang sa military, mahilig sa baril barilan kayat nagkanda loko loko ang sagot mo.simple lang nmn ang sagot, yan ang produkto ng malaking budget

What budget? Is there a stealth F-17 in the first place? Or are you referring to the F-117 that was FLOWN BY THE USAF in the 2007 Dubai Air Show?

U.S. military showcased at Dubai Air Show (http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123076230)
Posted 11/16/2007 Updated 11/19/2007

by Chief Master Sgt. Renee Tyron
U.S. Central Command Air Forces

11/16/2007 - DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AFPN) -- More than 325 American servicemembers participated in the 10th Dubai Air Show Nov. 11 through 15 here.

Airmen, Sailors and Soldiers provided logistics, force protection and maintenance support to the various U.S. aircraft on display and performing aerial demonstrations.

The Dubai Air Show is currently the third largest air show in the world. U.S. planning for this year's show started just after the 2005 show.

"We have a representative sample of U.S. airplanes. We have manned, unmanned, fighters, bombers and surveillance (here)," said Lt. Gen. Gary L. North, the commander of 9th Air Force and U.S. Central Command Air Forces. "Many of these aircraft are involved in combat operations today as we speak."

Support for these types of events is beneficial as it builds and strengthens the Air Force's ability to cultivate partnerships with allied military and defense contingents.

"This is so important because the Air Force relationship we have with the UAE is especially strong," said Bruce S. Lemkin, the undersecretary of the Air Force for international affairs. "Having our Airmen here and having our airplanes here demonstrates our appreciation for this relationship. Our Airmen learn about the culture here, learn about the perspective of our UAE partners, and when they go home they have a greater appreciation and that spreads. And the UAE learns to appreciate our Airmen."

Along with static displays and aerial demonstrations, the Department of Defense is also hosting several technology and information exhibits at the Dubai Airport Expo Centre with all the U. S. military services represented.

Making one of its final appearances is the F-117 Nighthawk, which will soon retire after 25 years in the Air Force inventory.

For the crew of the E-3A Sentry Airborne Warning and Control System, the highlight of the week was a royal visit. While on a walking tour of the airfield static displays, Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, the vice president and prime minister of the UAE and ruler of Dubai, met with U.S. military aircrews shaking hands and thanking them for their participation.

"Sheikh Mohammed welcomed our crews to Dubai and told me that the people of Dubai were very appreciative of our support during this air show," said Lt. Col. John Ukleya from the 552nd Air Control Wing based at Tinker Air Force Base, Okla. "He's a huge aviation enthusiast and he was very interested in our aircraft."

The Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk was retired by the USAF the following year (04/22/2008). The United States is the sole user of this stealth aircraft.

China to neighbors: Keep out of Spratlys
(http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/13613/china-to-neighbors-keep-out-of-spratlys)Stop search for oil, sans permission, says envoy
By Julie M. Aurelio
Philippine Daily Inquirer
1:39 am | Friday, June 10th, 2011

Vowing to assert sovereignty in the disputed Spratly Islands, China on Thursday warned its neighbors to stop searching for oil in the contested region without its permission.

The warning came amid a report from Hanoi that China, for the second time in two weeks, on Thursday harassed a Vietnamese vessel conducting seismic surveys within Vietnam’s continental shelf.

Vietnam’s prime minister said Hanoi was determined to protect its “incontestable” sovereignty over areas it claims in the South China Sea in an intensifying war of words with Beijing.

Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile, smarting at Beijing’s stepped-up criticism of the Philippines, scoffed at China’s demands.

“For heaven’s sake, don’t lecture to us. We can equally lecture to you even if you are a giant,” Enrile told reporters.

A day after Beijing warned Manila to refrain from unilateral actions that could damage Chinese sovereignty, Chinese Ambassador Liu Jianchao issued another warning.

Totally China’s territory

“We’re calling on all parties to stop searching the possibility of exploiting resources in the area where China has claims. At the same time, if the countries want to do so, you can talk to China about the possibility of having a joint cooperation development and exploitation of natural resources,” Liu said.

Asked about reports of oil exploration in the disputed region, Liu said: “China hasn’t started drilling oil wells in this region. Personally, I don’t know anything about what was reported. China has a large maritime area, for example in East China Sea.”

Recently, Manila lodged a protest in the United Nations over the harassment by a Chinese vessel of a Department of Energy vessel.

“It’s not harassment. It’s a normal practice and exercise of jurisdiction, and the rumor was the Chinese vessels made an ammunition assault, which is not true,” Liu said.

He added that the Reed Bank—which the Philippines calls Kalayaan—was “totally within China’s territorial claims.”

‘Bad rumor’

The ambassador urged all parties to set aside differences and engage in joint cooperation.

“Peaceful means is the only option for China and we’re determined to carry on with peaceful consultations with our partners, our neighbors who are also claiming the Nansha (Spratly) Islands. So I hope that all countries will face it with reality and consider overall peace and stability in the region,” Liu said.

The ambassador said it was unfortunate that the current dispute with the Philippines began with a “bad rumor,” referring to reports of Chinese jet fighters allegedly intruding into Philippine airspace near the Spratlys.

Liu denied the reports and added that these had been clarified with the Department of Foreign Affairs.

But Eduardo Batac, spokesperson of the Department of National Defense, said the Philippine military was standing by previous government statements on Chinese “intrusions.”

“We are bringing our case to the international community and we will let the international community be the judge with regard to the actions taken by the Chinese,” Batac said.

He declined to comment on strongly worded statements from Beijing.

Manila has accused Beijing of intrusions into its territory, citing six instances, including one in March when two Chinese patrol boats tried to ram a Philippine survey ship.

China, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan all claim territories in the South China Sea, which covers an important shipping route and is thought to hold untapped oil and gas reserves.

‘Paper boat’

Enrile said China was treating the Philippines like a “doormat” in the dispute over the Spratlys.

He said this was “normally the attitude of a powerful country against a weak country.”

Enrile said the best defense against such “bullying” was for the Philippines to build up its economic and military power, but he doubted that the country was in a position to do this now.

“If you have a bully as a neighbor, and you don’t want to prepare against that bully, you will be a doormat of your neighbor,” he said.

“We do not want to develop the wherewithal to tell the guy who is going to bully us, ‘You try to come near me and I’ll show you how to bite you like a flea. We can’t even act as a flea because we have no sting,’” he added.

The country’s “paper boat” is no match against China’s military might and the Philippines could not rely on the United Nations and even the United States to defend it from China, Enrile said.

“We can only pray, ‘God please help us.’ What are we going to fight China with? They would only send two destroyers, and we’d surrender,” he said. “You can raise your voice, but if they attack us, we run away.”

Beijing-Hanoi rift

In Thursday’s incident, a Chinese fishing boat deployed a “cable cutting device” and got it trapped in a network of underwater cables in use by a ship hired by Vietnam, the foreign ministry spokesperson, Nguyen Phuong Nga, said in Hanoi.

The report coincided with published comments by Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung, communist Vietnam’s most powerful figure, deploring a similar incident in May and underscoring the seriousness with which the government views it.

“We continue to affirm strongly and to manifest the strongest determination of all the Party, of all the people and of all the army in protecting Vietnamese sovereignty in maritime zones and islands of the country,” Dung said in comments reported by the Thanh Nien daily on Thursday.

He also reaffirmed “the incontestable maritime sovereignty of Vietnam toward the two archipelagos, the Paracels and Spratlys.”

Hundreds of people held a peaceful anti-China protest outside the Chinese Embassy in Hanoi on Sunday, the largest action of its kind since 2007. Protests are rare in authoritarian Vietnam.

Joint exploitations

In his news conference, Liu was asked about China’s plans to hold peaceful consultations despite exercising its jurisdiction over the islets.

The Chinese diplomat pointed to a previous cooperation between China, the Philippines and Vietnam on a seismic survey.

“That’s why we propose to the Philippine government to have joint exploitation in the areas with regard to development survey and exploitation of oil and gas resources, that’s the perfect formula. That’s why we call for a positive response from the Philippine side,” he explained.

“Let me reaffirm that China is firm (in) its claim to the territorial sovereignty over the area and at the same time is also firm in committing itself to a peaceful settlement of the issue,” he said.

The Chinese government believes the best way is to have joint cooperation and that China “cannot accept that one country taking unilateral actions for personal and private gains at the sacrifice of the interest of other parties,” Liu said.

He pointed out that through such a setup, all parties would benefit.

“That’s why we recognize the differences, the difficulties at this stage of finding a proper settlement over the territorial dispute, so the best formula is cooperation,” Liu said. With reports from TJ Burgonio, DJ Yap, AFP and Reuters

"How is that?
Consider this: Juan is Sam's friend. Juan has a relative that Sam does not know of who got injured. Juan asks his friend Sam for help.
Q: Does it follow that Sam won't help Juan just because Sam doesn't know Juan's relative?"

This is irrelevant to U.S. Foreign Policies.

'Phl must assert territorial rights with firmness' (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=694710&publicationSubCategoryId=63)
By Aurea Calica and Pia Lee-Brago (The Philippine Star) Updated June 10, 2011 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Malacañang said yesterday that it is committed to a multilateral approach to resolving claims in the Spratly island group but maintained the Philippines’ right to assert sovereignty over its territorial waters in the face of China’s declaration that it owns the whole South China Sea.

Presidential spokesman Edwin Lacierda also said the Philippines will continue to conduct oil explorations in western Palawan, which is not among the disputed territories in the South China Sea.

“The foundation for a lasting resolution of issues is the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea. The government of the People’s Republic of China has publicly committed to a peaceful resolution of claims, and that it shares the desire of countries like the Philippines for stability in our region,” Lacierda said.

“The Philippines believes that its territorial rights must be asserted with firmness, its position reiterated at every appropriate opportunity, and in a manner befitting a free, sovereign nation that is committed to being a reliable member of the community of nations and the international covenants that govern maritime law, and the settlement of disputes,” he added.

“With respect to the non-disputed areas, we have every reason to do the exploration there because they’re ours. There should be no issue as to our sovereign right to explore our own natural resources,” Lacierda said.

He also said it would be up to the Department of Foreign Affairs and the Department of Energy to talk about joint exploration in the disputed areas.

“I think there are already discussions on that. I am not fully aware of the developments in that regard. But I’m sure steps have been taken toward resolving this peacefully. But, again, we could confer with the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) and the Department of Energy with respect to this, only with respect to the disputed areas - let me clarify that,” Lacierda said.

Chinese officials have accused the Philippines of spreading a “bad rumor” that their vessels have been intruding into the disputed areas in the Spratlys and scolded Manila for alleged irresponsible statements.

They also said oil explorations must be stopped without cooperation from China and other claimants.

But Lacierda stressed that the Philippines was protesting incursions into Philippine territorial waters by Chinese vessels.

“Again, we’d like to emphasize that what is disputed is the Spratlys and not western Palawan. Insofar as the Spratlys is concerned, we have conventions that will govern the conduct of the sea and also the United Nations Convention on the Laws of the Sea,” Lacierda said.

“What we believe and what we strongly would like to see is the peaceful resolution on this area. China obviously has reclaimed the nine-dash line. We obviously dispute that so we would rather have a peaceful dialogue undertaken by the various claimants on the South China Sea, not just between the Philippines and China, but also the other claimants of the area - Vietnam and the other countries,” Lacierda said.

“The DFA has filed already a notice to explain. I don’t know the more diplomatic term for that but they have called the deputy chief of mission to explain the conduct of China on the areas which are not considered disputed by us,” Lacierda said.

“We believe that we are asserting only what we claim is ours in our sovereign capacity as a nation and in ownership of the non-disputed area,” Lacierda said.

Lacierda said he couldn’t say yet if the issue would be brought up during President Aquino’s planned visit to Beijing, possibly in the third quarter of this year.

“Well, again, we don’t have a firm schedule yet on China. The DFA would be handling that but definitely the President has been apprised of the situation and in the proper time, the President will relay to the Chinese officials, his counterpart, as to the conduct and attitude of the Philippines and the stand of the Philippines on that matter,” Lacierda said.

Lacierda also said changing the name of South China Sea to West Philippine Sea wouldn’t matter much since “it’s always going to be a question on the boundaries.”

“It’s a question also of their claim to what they believe is ours and what we believe is ours as well. We are signatories to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea as well as the Code of Conduct in the South China Sea. The nomenclature will not change their claim, that’s why we try to resolve this peacefully. So that’s why we believe in a peaceful resolution and a continuous multilateral dialogue among all the claimants in the disputed areas,” Lacierda said.

Bad rumor

China’s top diplomat in the Philippines said the latest spat between Manila and Beijing was a product of “bad rumor.”

“It was rather unfortunate that I saw reports about the South China Sea and our dispute over this area. I have to say, this is an issue left over from history. And it’s rather unfortunate that this issue of the current dispute over the area, which was started about two weeks ago, everything was started with a bad rumor,” Ambassador Liu Jianchao said during a forum at the Chinese embassy yesterday.

“The very first rumor that I heard which I paid a lot of attention to was a rumor which took place two days before I left Manila for Beijing. And that rumor went with a jet fighter which was totally untrue, which is totally a rumor,” he said.

Liu said he was in China for a training program when he saw reports about the South China Sea incidents with the Philippines.

The latest rumors, he said, were the sightings of Chinese naval vessels unloading building materials and erecting an undetermined number of posts in the vicinity of the Iroquois Reef-Amy Douglas Bank in the West Philippine Sea.

“It’s a bad rumor because we have no intention of occupying one of the islands. We clarified the reaction which was aimed at seismic survey that was done there so this is something that should not be played up because after all it’s just a survey not by military vessels but vessels for the survey,” he added.

Seismic survey, Liu said, is normal and permitted under the 2002 ASEAN-China Declaration on the Conduct of Parties (DOC).

“It’s aimed at the seismic exploration and discoveries of the maritime sea so we don’t really believe that this is a breach of the DOC. It really conforms with the spirit of the DOC,” he said.

He was reacting to Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario’s statement that “any new construction by China in the vicinity of the uninhabited Iroquois Bank is a clear violation of the 2002 ASEAN-China Declaration on the Conduct of Parties (DOC) in the South China Sea.”

The DFA said “these actions of Chinese vessels hamper the normal and legitimate fishing activities of the Filipino fishermen in the area and undermines the peace and stability of the region.”

But Liu said the Philippines should not have brought up the matter before the UN.

“We certainly do not agree to that because on the one hand it’s not a violation of the DOC. It was carried out within the sovereignty of China and everything was carried out within the principles that’s embodied in the DOC,” he said.

“I read his (Del Rosario’s) article on the plane and I decided I have something to say about this,” he said.

He noted that UNCLOS is a useful tool for the organization and management of maritime affairs in the world “but it is not the only thing that really regulate the countries territorial claims.”

“So we should not just take part of the content out of the argument. The argument could only be complete and strong when the UNCLOS is fully integrated,” Liu said.

He stressed that China has been giving explanations to every accusation made by the Philippines.

“And we made our position clear and also we made the stories clear and we tried to clarify that rumors after all are rumors. So I think we’ve done this in an appropriate channel,” he said.

He reiterated Beijing’s stand that the United States should not intervene in the issue for the sake of regional stability.

“We’ve been all trying to make this area a peaceful one, a stable one, and so far to see that the navigation in this area has always been safe and has always been peaceful so there}s no excuse of intervention in this area,” Liu said. “As I said territorial dispute is a dispute between the claimant parties not really with a country that’s outside this region that has no relevance to the territorial dispute in this region,” he said.

Intrusions real

Despite China’s claim to the contrary, the reported intrusions of its naval vessels into Philippine territory are real, according to the defense department.

“There’s nothing we can do about it. If they would like to come up with certain statements, we cannot have any control over that,” defense spokesman Eduardo Batac said.

“At this point, the DFA has taken the lead role in all matters which are of international concern. The DND (Department of National Defense) has taken a backseat but by way of supporting this effort, will be providing whatever additional information that might be needed by the DFA,” Batac said.

In its report to the DFA, the DND said Chinese vessels had intruded at least six times into the West Philippine Sea.

“We are bringing our case to the international community and let the international community be the judge with regard to these actions that were taken by China,” the defense spokesman said.

“For as long as our territorial integrity or sovereignty is being violated, we will continue submitting (verified reports to the DFA) for the filing of diplomatic protest. We cannot stay silent,” Batac pointed out.

Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile, meanwhile, said China should not lecture the Philippines on territorial issues as it also needs to be reminded of its duty to respect territorial conventions.

“We are not criticizing them, we are just saying, well in our perception, you are intruding into our domain. If you are not then say so, that you have no aggressive intention against this country. But for heaven’s sake don’t lecture to us because we can equally lecture to you even though you are a giant,” Enrile said.

“They must understand that we have also a voice to raise whenever we feel that they are intruding into our domain,” he added.

He also said the Philippines should not just bank on its close relations with the US.

“That’s the tragedy of this country. We are allied to the United States under a Mutual Defense Treaty. When we are being demeaned, mistreated by another country and we invoke our relationship with America, America says that’s your problem, you take care of it, we are not involved,” Enrile said.

“And yet we do not want to develop the wherewithal to at least tell the guy who is going to bully us, well you try to come near me and I will show you that I can bite you like a flea. We cannot even act as a flea because we have no sting,” he added.

As far as the UN is concerned, Enrile said the body is just a debating club that only gets involved when its own interests are at stake. Enrile again batted for modernization of the armed forces.

“If you have the balance of forces, if you have enough capability to inflict an injury that in their quantification they cannot afford to suffer, then they will think twice in bullying you,” Enrile said.

“How can we defend ourselves against China? We can always express our anger towards them but when they attack, we should retreat,” he said. “We laugh at ourselves but we are receiving the disrespect of other nations. We are no longer respected.”

Palawan Bishop Pedro Arigo, for his part, called for dialogue and peaceful approach to resolving the territorial disputes, which are mainly over areas covered by the province.

“Let us act like civilized people and sit down and have a nice and formal talk between all the claimants... Engaging in public tirades will do nothing good,” he said.

“We should all pray so that everything will be settled soon,” he said.

“Our fishermen are often shooed away by the Chinese whenever they go there to fish so we are hoping that this problem will be resolved sooner than later,” he said. With Evelyn Macairan, Jaime Laude, Marvin Sy

eh 40 years ng obsolete ang stealth ng u.s., stealth technology was used during 60's, of course, this time because of advancenment in technology a stealth can be predicted by china and russia, but us has a technology before
40 years ago that can detect stealth...palabas lang yan ng pentagon na watts na yan para isipin ng china at russia na maiintercept nila ang stealth,japan technology is more advance than russia and china, u.s. technolgy is 1 decade advance than japanese tech...parang bata ang china at russia na nagyayabang sa kanyang ama na"papa,alam ko na ang technique mo kung bat masarap ang gatas ko, dahil sa asukal na nilagay mo"kung japan matatakot pa ako, dahil ang japan ay may history na hindi natalo ng china sa gyera at sumakop pa sa asia pacific...china???wala...si khublai khan ay nagpadala ng 1,000 ships at chinese warriors ay naglaho sa majapahit empire sa java at hindi na nakaabot sa indonesia kung saan andun ang seat ng empire....oh china,china,china, porselana ka lang...babasagin,mukha mo man ay higanting nakakatakot,kutis mo man ay kumikinang,china ka pa rin,babasagin

The current stealth technology owed its design and technology from the the Nazi Germany during the closing years of the second world war in Europe.

b8ap2xXdOzg

American cities could have been destroyed by these planes that could potentially carry nuclear weapons had Hitler won back then. Scary scenario.

Please, Generals of AFP, have mercy on us...Stop the corruptions now and please upgrade all AFP hardware.

Who's right in South China Sea spat?
By Vaudine England
BBC News, Hong Kong

When Dutch ships sailed up the River Thames into London in 1688, it was clear they were an invading force.

The freedom of the seas was a well-established idea in the 17th Century, with states only able to claim a narrow belt of sea around their own coast.

But as the United States and China have discovered in recent days, that certainty is much harder to come by now.

Tensions were raised after an unarmed US navy surveillance vessel was jostled by five Chinese ships in the South China Sea last weekend.

The Pentagon accused the Chinese vessels of "harassment" during the routine operations in international waters.

Beijing says the US ship behaved "like a spy" and accused it of breaking international law by operating in its Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ).

The debate over a nation's claim to marine territory has been turbulent - after all, the seas carry immense riches of fish, oil, gas and other resources, as well strategic navigation rights.

Law of the sea

Central to all efforts to disentangling such claims is the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea - created in 1982 after years of international negotiations.

This is, in effect, a constitution governing the oceans - granting not just the EEZs, but right of access to the sea for land-locked states, the right to conduct marine research, mandating control of resources on the seabed, and creating an international tribunal to settle conflicts.

So could the US-China spat, south of Hainan in the South China Sea, simply be put to the UN tribunal and solved?

Unfortunately, it is not that simple.

Unlike China, the US has signed the UN Convention, but has not ratified it.

This means it has promised not to undertake any action that might defeat the Convention's goals, but it does not consent to be legally bound by its provisions.

"This puts the US in an awkward position," said Dr Mark J Valencia, a leading maritime expert. "They are trying to interpret the terms of the Convention in their favour, which they are not a party to."

The Law of the Sea provides for EEZs - sea zones generally extending 200 nautical miles (370km) from a nation's coast, giving it special rights over the exploration and use of marine resources. This is complicated where EEZs overlap.

Without seeing detailed maps of exactly where the US ship was when confronted by the Chinese, experts have been hesitant to say exactly who was right.

If the USNS Impeccable was in China's EEZ, it could have been there perfectly legally - depending on what it was doing.

China says the US was "spying", and thus conducting activities that could be seen as preparation for conflict.

'Eye of the beholder'

So, does China have the moral superiority in this row?

Again, it is not that simple.

"China also conducts intelligence operations in what the Japanese claim as their EEZ," noted Dr Jurgen Haacke of the London School of Economics.

According to the UN Law of the Sea, intelligence operations are normally not deemed "innocent" if they occur in territorial waters.

"Some might argue that intelligence gathering should not be considered to amount to peaceful activity if it was conducted in the EEZ. Whether it is may be in the eye of the beholder," says Dr Haacke.

Dr Valencia agrees.

The Japan-China argument centres on the Diaoyu islands (known in Japan as the Senkaku) and, in law, refers to an area of still-disputed sovereignty.

"China has done things in Japan which it has accused the US of," noted Dr Valencia.

These actions include infringements of the Law of the Sea, such as having a submarine submerged instead of obvious on the surface, or sailing intelligence-gathering ships around in other nations' waters.

Jockeying for position

This is where maps defined by law distort into maps defined by the larger political realities - where geography becomes geopolitics.

The US has long had the seas around Asia to themselves, able to extend their considerable (often nuclear-powered) naval power in and out of Asian states' waters.

Depending what they do there, many of these states have no problem with that.
But China is not alone in its irritation at the assumption of freedom across the high seas.

Indonesia, a key player in talks shaping the Law of the Sea, has been irritated by the US navy sailing ships through its straits at will.

So too has Vietnam, which has also protested against Chinese military exercises in its waters.

But only China has made its irritation so public.

Analysts say voluntary codes of conduct across Asia's seas need to be strengthened into enforceable guidelines to avoid future conflicts.

Underlying the recent US-China spat is a fear in some South East Asian states, as well as in the West, of China's growing military might.

"While there may even be some sympathy for China's robust actions given more widespread concerns about how the US collects intelligence, China challenging the US creates instability and is therefore generally not in the interest of other Asian countries," says Dr Haacke.

China has protested before - when a Chinese frigate confronted the USNS Bowitch in the Yellow Sea in March 2001.

The next month, a Chinese jet fighter collided with a US surveillance plane over Hainan, rupturing US-China defence contacts for a while.

Neither the US nor China can claim to be wholly right. "It's not a slam dunk on either side," says Dr Valencia.

There is a jockeying for position afoot across Asia's rich and contested seas. So long as the US refuses to ratify the UN Convention "it's going to get worse", he says.

Handa raw lumaban ang mga tropang nagbabantay sa spratlys pag sakaling gumawa ng atake ang mga patrolling tsekwa. Ano ilalaban ng mga kinakalawang nilang machine guns sa mga Missle launchers armed na patrol craft nila

buti pa ang Vietnam, may bayag. mga generals natin, puro commission ang inaatupag:


Vietnam plans live-fire drill after China dispute

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/3800/vietnam-plans-live-fire-drill-after-china-dispute

7 Chinese fishermen face criminal raps for alleged poaching in Palawan waters

By Tetch Torres
INQUIRER.net
8:05 pm | Friday, June 10th, 2011

MANILA, Philippines – The Department of Justice (DoJ) has ordered the filing of a criminal case against seven Chinese fishermen arrested for alleged poaching and fishing along the marine waters of Palawan.

In a 4-page resolution, Justice Secretary Leila De Lima said the fishermen violated Republic Act 8550 Section 87 or Poaching in Philippine Waters and Section 27 (f) of Republic Act 9147 or collection, hunting or possessing wildlife against Huang Pu, Ho Ta, Dy Song, Seng Fa, Hu Yung, Lin Shing and Ho Sy.

De Lima reversed the June 29, 2010 resolution that ordered the dismissal of the criminal case against them.

The June 29, 2010 resolution ordered the dismissal of the case, saying that the seven Chinese nationals “have no criminal intent to commit a violation of RA 8550” because the said law “punishes crimes that are innately immoral since they are violations against the fisher folks who belong to the marginalized sector of our society.”

But De Lima said that crimes punishable by special laws, “the act alone, irrespective of the motive constitutes the offense.”

“Fishing inside Philippine waters is not immoral or illicit in itself. However, it becomes illegal when it transgresses special laws and prohibitions set by the government,” De Lima added.

De Lima gave the Palawan provincial prosecutors 10 days to report the actions that they have taken.

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Aquino to raise Spratlys row in state visit to Beijing

By Norman Bordadora
Philippine Daily Inquirer
3:42 am | Friday, June 10th, 2011

President Benigno Aquino III will relay to Chinese President Hu Jintao the Philippine stand on the two countries overlapping claims over territories in the South China Sea, Malacañang said on Thursday.

The President’s spokesperson, Edwin Lacierda, said there was still no firm schedule on Mr. Aquino’s state visit to Beijing, expected in the third quarter of the year.

He told reporters the Department of Foreign Affairs was arranging the visit.

Lacierda said the President had been informed about developments in the Spratlys.

“At the proper time, the President will relay to the Chinese officials, his counterpart, as to the conduct and attitude of the Philippines and the decision of the Philippines on that matter or the stand of the Philippines on that matter,” he said.

“We believe that we are asserting only what we claim is in our sovereign capacity … in the ownership of those nondisputed areas,” Lacierda said, reacting to Chinese criticism that the Philippines was issuing “irresponsible statements.”

“We have always strived for a peaceful resolution,” Lacierda said. “So we will strive to resolve this situation peacefully and diplomatically.”

China accuses Vietnam of 'gravely violating' sovereignty
Reuters (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/223032/world/china-accuses-vietnam-of-gravely-violating-sovereignty)
06/10/2011 | 11:17 AM


BEIJING - China accused Vietnam of "gravely violating" its sovereignty and endangering Chinese sailors in the South China Sea in an escalating row over territorial claims in the resource-rich region.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry issued the condemnation of Vietnam late on Thursday after Hanoi accused China of harassing a ship doing seismic surveys in the South China Sea, contested by several nations.

China has quarreled with both Vietnam and the Philippines in recent weeks over festering maritime disputes and, though a military clash seems unlikely, the tensions could trouble regional diplomacy and possibly draw in the United States, which took up the South China Sea dispute last year.

Those tensions have been magnified by region-wide nervousness about China's naval modernization.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said his country was the victim in the latest encounter in which a Chinese fishing boat became entangled with cables from the Vietnamese ship and was dragged along for over an hour.

"The Vietnamese ship put the lives and safety of the Chinese fishermen in serious danger," Hong said in a statement on the ministry website (www.mfa.gov.cn).

He accused Vietnam of violating China's claim on the Spratly archipelago and nearby seas, which Vietnam also deems its own. China calls the islands the Nansha group.

"It must be pointed out that by conducting unlawful oil and gas surveys in seas around the Wan'an Bank of the Spratly archipelago and by driving out a Chinese fishing vessel, Vietnam has gravely violated China's sovereignty and maritime rights," said Hong.

"China demands that Vietnam cease all violations," he said, adding that Vietnam should "not take actions that would complicate and expand the dispute."

China, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan all claim territory in the South China Sea, parts of which could hold deposits of oil and gas .

China's claim is by far the largest, forming a vast U-shape over most of the sea's 648,000 square miles (1.7 million square km), including the Spratly and Paracel archipelagos.

Beijing said on Thursday that it would hold naval drills in late June in the western Pacific Ocean, and the Chinese navy has done little to disguise plans to launch its first aircraft carrier, the first step towards building an operating carrier group.

Beijing sees both national interests and pride at stake in the sea disputes. A Chinese military officer said in a commentary on Friday that China had every right to match its growing power and interests with a "blue water" navy.

"Putting it plainly, some people want to contain China's rise and are trying to turn the Chinese dragon into the Chinese bug," Major General Luo Yuan, who often publishes rousing comments on China's military plans, wrote in the Global Times.


Rival claims, rival accounts

The United States, the dominant military power in the Pacific, became embroiled in the sea tensions with China last year after the Secretary of State Hillary Clinton stressed Washington's support for a collective regional solution to the mosaic of territorial disputes in the South China Sea.

Beijing favors dealing with each dispute separately with the other countries making territorial claims, and is wary of Washington becoming involved in the issue.

On Thursday, Vietnam said China had harassed its survey ship in the second such incident in two weeks, and it gave a very different account of the latest incident.

A Chinese fishing boat used a "cable cutting device" which became trapped in underwater cables used by a ship hired by Vietnam, the Vietnamese Foreign Ministry said. The ship was operating over Vietnam's continental shelf and within its exclusive economic zone off the southern coast, it said.

Two Chinese ships then came to help the Chinese fishing vessel, she said, calling the incident part of a campaign of systematic and intentional violations by China.

Vietnam lodged a complaint with China in late May when a Chinese patrol vessel slashed the cables of a Vietnamese ship conducting a seismic survey off its south-central coast.

China and the Philippines have also been exchanging accusations over rival claims over different parts of the Spratly islands.

Manila has accused China of intrusions into its territory, citing six instances, including one in March when two Chinese patrol boats tried to ram a survey ship.

F**k You China.

F**k You China.

i couldn't agree more.

When the time comes that our motherland calls for help, without any hesitation i will suit-up against them.

F**k You China.

100 times agreable... :lol:

i couldn't agree more.

When the time comes that our motherland calls for help, without any hesitation i will suit-up against them.

I am ready to kill for my country.

Am I seeing "Filipino Patriotism" here? :D :D :D

Even if all I have is a kitchen knife, I'll gladly kill any invader if need be. Happy Independence Day Philippines! (advance greetings to!) ;)

I am ready to kill for my country.

well if i questioned, im also ready......... to bomb china town and divisoria..:lol: seriously...

WELL, HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY PHL...

Am I seeing "Filipino Patriotism" here? :D :D :D

Hindi mo pala ako kilala. :lol:

well if i questioned, im also ready......... to bomb china town and divisoria..:lol:

Chinese Embassy unahin mo.

^^ hahah! at may balak pa talaga ha! Patriotism is good but as much as possible, mas maganda kung dahan-dahan muna ang approach dito sa problemang 'to.

But then I'm not putting the blame on anyone kasi sino nga naman ang 'di magagalit sa ginagawa ng China?

F**k You China.

+999999999999999

^^ hahah! at may balak pa talaga ha! Patriotism is good but as much as possible, mas maganda kung dahan-dahan muna ang approach dito sa problemang 'to.

But then I'm not putting the blame on anyone kasi sino nga naman ang 'di magagalit sa ginagawa ng China?

WELL, masakit tlga ang feeling na nabubully lalo na kung mahina ka... lalo na pilipino DIGNIDAD ang batayan ng buhay.. so kahit ako ayaw kong nababawasan nito, seriously when people attack me i bring it back... and now I'm thinking how can i bring it back...:ohno:

as much as possible i dont post to another country or news thread, but if i see my fellow countrymen confronting to china.. i cant prevent myself to attack and FU*K them..:lol: but seriously.. i feel bad.. lalu na.. adik na ko sa chinese producs, mura kc eh..

^^ And knowing how "redundant" China's maneuver's in the Spratly's dispute are. Mas lalo akong na-offend. At saka, "Araw ng Kalayaan" na sa Linggo, punong-puno ako ng pride ngayon kaya hayun, my above statements are evidence. :D

^^ China telling us to back-off from the disputed islands is a blatant disregard to the fact that the claims are not yet settled. Putting on a "No tresspassing" placard on the Spratlys should only come after all other parties have dropped claims.

F**k You China.

A message for China, from a Filipino

Sent from: Hanoi, Vietnam.

ngek! hahah! coincidence lang ba 'to? :lol::lol::lol:

BTW, I just can't help but express my great disappointment at China right now and also how glad I am to see the Phl serious in upgrading the AFP. ;)

Galit din ang mga Vietnamese dito. Mas malala yata ang confrontation nila. Meron daw kahapon ng umaga.

I carry my patriotism anywhere, any time. Not just because of Kalayaan and Panatag Shoal.

Galit din ang mga Vietnamese dito. Mas malala yata ang confrontation nila. Meron daw kahapon ng umaga.

I carry my patriotism anywhere, any time. Not just because of Kalayaan and Panatag Shoal.

SA SOBRANG GALIT....

Vietnam plans live-fire drill after China dispute

By Margie Mason
Associated Press
8:54 pm | Friday, June 10th, 2011


BIRUIN MO PAPARAKTISIN NA NG VIETNAM KUNG PAANO SILA AATAKE SA CHINA....

:dance::dance:

^^ Oo nga, kasi mas aggressive ang Vietnamese government sa pag-assert nila ng claim. Parang PHL - China - Vietnam ang pinaka-publicized shoot-outs sa mga disputes ah. From Paracels to Scarborough Shoal and now Spratly's island dispute naman.

I think we should start referring to the area as West Philippine Sea, Kalayaan Islands and Panatag Shoal. Our military already does that for quite some time.

‘It’s West Philippine Sea’

Gov’t, AFP use it now to refer to disputed Spratly areas (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/13833/%E2%80%98it%E2%80%99s-west-philippine-sea%E2%80%99)

By Dona Pazzibugan, Norman Bordadora
Philippine Daily Inquirer
12:06 am, Saturday, June 11th, 2011


The Aquino government has apparently made it settled doctrine to use “West Philippine Sea” to refer to the waters west of the country where the Philippines has overlapping territorial claims with five other nations, instead of the all-embracing tag of “South China Sea.”

Tellingly, Malacañang yesterday used “West Philippine Sea” for the first time in a statement reacting to China’s warning on Thursday, issued through Ambassador Liu Jianchao, to rival claimants to the disputed Spratlys island group to stop searching for oil in the contested region without permission from China.

“The Republic of the Philippines has stated its position on the various territorial issues in the West Philippine Sea. We are committed to dialog with other claimants,” presidential spokesperson Edwin Lacierda told a news briefing yesterday.

“We call on all parties to refrain from inflammatory statements that would make it more difficult to reach a mutually agreeable solution,” he said.

In the past two weeks, the Philippines has publicly accused Chinese forces of being behind seven confrontations with Filipinos in the Spratlys in less than four months.

However, Liu said the reported incidents were mere “rumors” or exaggeration, even as he asserted China’s claim to the reputedly oil-rich Spratlys island chain.

The islands are claimed in whole or in part by Brunei, China, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam.


Based on history

Lacierda said the Palace was taking its cue from the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) which has been using “West Philippine Sea” in the series of letters and notes verbales protesting China’s incursions into areas that the DFA claims were well within Philippine territory.

The DFA earlier explained that using “West Philippine Sea” to refer to the waters where the disputed territories lie was “in keeping with our tradition and history as well as reflective of its proper geographic location.”

The same waters “have long been called Dagat Luzon, or Luzon Sea by our fisherfolk and the rest of our people, and referred to as such in published maps since time immemorial after the major Philippine island of Luzon,” DFA spokesperson Eduardo Malaya explained earlier.
“On the other hand, South China Sea in Chinese is simply South Sea, while for the Vietnamese it is East Sea,” he said.

Akbayan party-list member Walden Bello has filed House Resolution No. 1350 proposing to officially name the region the “West Philippine Sea” to “strengthen [the Philippines’] claim to these controversial waters and the natural resources found within.”


Subliminal message

Yesterday, the Armed Forces weighed in, saying it has deliberately been using West Philippine Sea to refer to the area.

“What’s in a name, but when people keep saying that it is the South China Sea, there is a subliminal message that this is indeed a sea belonging to a country whose name appears in the name,” said Commodore Miguel Jose Rodriguez, the AFP deputy chief of staff for civil military operations who is also the military spokesperson.


‘Kalayaan Sea’

“Vietnam calls it their East Sea and China calls it their South Sea. We in the Philippines should call it West Philippine Sea,” he said.

Rodriguez (Philippine Military Academy Class of 1980) recalled that at the PMA, they were taught to refer to the area as “Kalayaan Sea” based on a newly issued presidential decree at the time naming the area claimed by the Philippines as the Kalayaan island group, or the “Luzon Sea” or “West Palawan Sea.”

The United States yesterday called on the Asian countries fighting for control of the Spratlys to resolve the issue peacefully.

“As Ambassador Harry Thomas, (Defense) Secretary (Robert) Gates and other US officials have said, we urge all claimants to exercise restraint in dealing with competing claims in the South China Sea. These issues need to be resolved peacefully within the framework of international law,” said Rebecca Thompson, US Embassy press attaché, in a statement apparently issued in response to Liu’s warning.


Rules-based approach

The DFA yesterday reiterated the Philippines’ rules-based approach to ending the dispute.

It has proposed the concept of a Zone of Peace, Freedom, Friendship and Cooperation in which disputed territories could be recognized from undisputed areas as provided under international law.

“The Philippines has offered a specific framework for the resolution of differences and the pursuit of cooperation in the form of the ZOPFFC,” said Malaya.

In the ZOPFFC, the disputed islands could be “enclaved” by segregating them and adjacent waters from the rest of the waters of the South China Sea.

The DFA has said the enclaved area could be designated as a Joint Cooperation Area where joint activities could be conducted, such as marine scientific research, search and rescue operations, oil spill preparedness and conservation projects.


Defense posture

AFP Chief General Eduardo Oban Jr. said the military is careful to “avoid any miscalculation” that would provoke open hostilities in the Spratlys.

Speaking at the Manila Overseas Press Club forum on Thursday, Oban said the military has been keeping an “active defense posture” following China’s incursions this year into Philippine territory.

“If a Chinese vessel or any foreign vessel becomes hostile to us to the point of shooting at our own people, then we have to shoot back. We try to avoid that,” said Oban, a former Air Force fighter pilot.


Presence as deterrence

“We just hope they won’t (make further incursions). We will maintain our presence as a deterrent to incursions,” he said.

While there have been six incursions from China, the military also recorded “some” incursions from Vietnam, he said.

Oban said the Philippines’ diplomatic protests against the Chinese incursions were backed by reports from military field units.

Despite the ongoing spat with China, Oban does not consider the tensions serious.

“I give a low rating (between 1 to 10) in terms of the seriousness based on the incursions because of the statements made by [Chinese Defense Minister] General Liang Guanglie. That’s quite reassuring, (that) they’re open for a peaceful resolution of the conflict,” he said.

VERY FRESH NEWS

‘It’s West Philippine Sea’

Gov’t, AFP use it now to refer to disputed Spratly areas
By Dona Pazzibugan, Norman Bordadora
Philippine Daily Inquirer
12:06 am | Saturday, June 11th, 2011


AYOS NA AYOS TO... OFFICIALLY NA RIN SANA GAMITIN SA MGA MAPS...

^^ we should remember that Vietnam has a land border with China. Provoking a naval confrontation could escalate into a full scale air-land-sea conflict...

But don't get it wrong, as it stands today i don't think any serious concern is necessary.

^^ we should remember that Vietnam has a land border with China. Provoking a naval confrontation could escalate into a full scale air-land-sea conflict...

But don't get it wrong, as it stands today i don't think any serious concern is necessary.

Chinese troops literally patrol inside the Lao side of the border by China.

And yes, I am a few hundred kilometers away from the Chinese border.

Vietnam kicked out the Chinese before.

^^ But we all know where these moves are heading, right? At saka, even without the national patriotism, it's still natural for us to enforce our sovereignty on these areas because we have a Filipino community here. The West Philippine Sea should be secured well by the AFP, build more bastions and airstrips around the islands.

^^ we should remember that Vietnam has a land border with China. Provoking a naval confrontation could escalate into a full scale air-land-sea conflict...

But don't get it wrong, as it stands today i don't think any serious concern is necessary.

but think of vietnam's border only an inch of their territory, nor us 800km from china, but they are more agrressive... likely much dangerous on land attacks.. and i felt jealous.. because we have advantage on distance we are free to do anything...

^^ And the fact the we have no "land border" with any nation in the world, we could be more dependent on the Airforce and the Navy, our main fronts are on the vast bodies of waters around us and our airspace, these areas are the ones that needs more attention when it comes to new weapons and upgrades not to undermine the use of the ground troops we have.

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Ano ba 'to, para lang akong naglalaro ng Tour of Generals dito. LOL! :D :D :D