I think the pace is about right it only needs to be sustained, for now we should concentrate on acquiring the other two supposed hamilton class vessels that they are looking at, the next step would be to modernise these 3 vessels with other equipment and missiles .

The navy should also try to acquire a few more corvette sized vessels similar to the peacock class about 3 more and other equipment such as radars and shore based anti ship missiles and a few anti submarine warfare and patrol aircraft, this should then be sufficient as an intermediate period for our sailors and navy to adjust and learn to work with a higher level of capability and technology until say 2020 .

By 2018 the navy should have defined its new requirement and begin tender requests for contracting out a program for the acquisition of it's first class of brand new and more advanced frigates .

Either from France and derivative models of their stealth frigate designs exported to countries like Taiwan, Singapore, Saudi Arabia etc, or from South Korea or Spain based derivatives of the arleigh burke aegis type destroyers/frigate design .

Also a first set of at least 4 modern diesel submarines from Germany or western Europe since they are the only one's who can manufacture advanced diesel submarines, Soviet legacy designs being too noisy and less capable while the US only produces very expensive nuclear submarines .

All vessels to be delivered by say 2025 ( below the two types of frigate family designs which id hope to see as the RP's first new frigate class ).

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The heavier 6250 tonne Spanish navy F100 aegis frigate design exported to Norway and the Australian navy .

US warns China expanding its maritime power

by Dan De Luce, Agence France-Presse
Posted at 08/25/2011 12:20 PM | Updated as of 08/25/2011 12:20 PM


WASHINGTON - China is increasingly focused on naval power and has invested in hi-tech weaponry that will extend its reach in the Pacific and beyond, the Pentagon said Wednesday.

The advances mean China will by 2020 close a technological gap that once left it lagging far behind major powers, the Defense Department said in a report.

China has ramped up efforts to produce anti-ship missiles that could knock out aircraft carriers, improved targeting radar, expanded its fleet of nuclear-powered submarines and warships and made advances in satellite technology and cyber warfare, the Pentagon wrote in a report to Congress.

The weapons buildup comes as the Asian economic giant places a growing priority on securing strategic shipping lanes and mineral-rich areas in the South China Sea.

"The evolution of China's economic and geostrategic interests has fundamentally altered Beijing's view of maritime power," said the document, an annual report on China's military.

While Chinese leaders continue to prepare for a potential conflict with Taiwan, they now see a broader role for the People's Liberation Army, with the navy as a crucial element, it said.

"China's leaders have offered unambiguous guidance that the PLA Navy will play a growing role in protecting China's far-flung interests," the report said.

US commanders worry that China's advances could jeopardize America's longstanding military dominance in the Pacific, while US officials have accused Beijing of aggressive tactics against neighboring countries over territorial disputes in the South China Sea.

An expanded Chinese naval presence in the region would have "implications for regional rivalries and power dynamics," Michael Schiffer, deputy assistant secretary of defense, told reporters.

Chinese leaders have insisted its modernization program is aimed solely at "self-defense" and accused US officials of trying to portray the armed forces as a threat.

Beijing has downplayed the advances, pointing out it was in fact last to get an aircraft carrier platform compared to the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council.

The Pentagon also said China had sought to strengthen its nuclear forces by adding more "road-mobile" ballistic missiles and by stressing "camouflage" tactics to ensure the atomic arsenal could better survive a potential attack, the report said.

The buildup includes a new aircraft carrier that recently held its first sea trial. But the Pentagon played down its importance, saying the ship was a first step towards a future fleet of carriers expected to be built over 10 years.

The new carrier, a Ukrainian ship modified by the Chinese, "will serve initially as a training and evaluation platform, and eventually offer a limited operational capability," it said.

The aircraft carrier still has no warplanes on board and "it will take a number of additional years for an air group to achieve the sort of minimal level of combat capability," Schiffer said.

If China begins building its own aircraft carrier this year, it would not be operational until 2015, the report said.

With an array of new weapons coming on line, China's military will face a challenge in the coming decade as it tries to train troops in new tactics and revise its approach to "adopt modern operational concepts," he said.

The report noted an internal debate in China about the role of the military and whether the PLA "should develop to advance China's interests beyond traditional requirements."

It renewed US warnings that China was extending its military edge over Taiwan, citing better artillery that could strike targets within or even across the Taiwan Strait.

China considers Taiwan, where the mainland's defeated nationalists fled in 1949, to be a province awaiting reunification, by force if necessary.

The dispute over Taiwan, including US arms sales to Taipei, has remained a stumbling block to Washington's attempts at promoting a security dialogue with the Chinese military.

Taiwan, and some US lawmakers, have called for the sale of F-16 fighter jets to help counter the Chinese threat.

The Pentagon report covered 2010 and was delayed for five months, following a high-profile visit to Beijing by the US military's top officer in July.

The document estimated China's overall military-related spending was more than $160 billion in 2010.

Chinese military spending, however, is still far below the US defense budget, the world's largest, which was nearly 700 billion dollars in 2010.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/world/08/25/11/us-warns-china-expanding-its-maritime-power

US warns China expanding its maritime power

by Dan De Luce, Agence France-Presse
Posted at 08/25/2011 12:20 PM | Updated as of 08/25/2011 12:20 PM


WASHINGTON - China is increasingly focused on naval power and has invested in hi-tech weaponry that will extend its reach in the Pacific and beyond, the Pentagon said Wednesday.

The advances mean China will by 2020 close a technological gap that once left it lagging far behind major powers, the Defense Department said in a report.

China has ramped up efforts to produce anti-ship missiles that could knock out aircraft carriers, improved targeting radar, expanded its fleet of nuclear-powered submarines and warships and made advances in satellite technology and cyber warfare, the Pentagon wrote in a report to Congress.

The weapons buildup comes as the Asian economic giant places a growing priority on securing strategic shipping lanes and mineral-rich areas in the South China Sea.

"The evolution of China's economic and geostrategic interests has fundamentally altered Beijing's view of maritime power," said the document, an annual report on China's military.

While Chinese leaders continue to prepare for a potential conflict with Taiwan, they now see a broader role for the People's Liberation Army, with the navy as a crucial element, it said.

"China's leaders have offered unambiguous guidance that the PLA Navy will play a growing role in protecting China's far-flung interests," the report said.

US commanders worry that China's advances could jeopardize America's longstanding military dominance in the Pacific, while US officials have accused Beijing of aggressive tactics against neighboring countries over territorial disputes in the South China Sea.

An expanded Chinese naval presence in the region would have "implications for regional rivalries and power dynamics," Michael Schiffer, deputy assistant secretary of defense, told reporters.

Chinese leaders have insisted its modernization program is aimed solely at "self-defense" and accused US officials of trying to portray the armed forces as a threat.

Beijing has downplayed the advances, pointing out it was in fact last to get an aircraft carrier platform compared to the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council.

The Pentagon also said China had sought to strengthen its nuclear forces by adding more "road-mobile" ballistic missiles and by stressing "camouflage" tactics to ensure the atomic arsenal could better survive a potential attack, the report said.

The buildup includes a new aircraft carrier that recently held its first sea trial. But the Pentagon played down its importance, saying the ship was a first step towards a future fleet of carriers expected to be built over 10 years.

The new carrier, a Ukrainian ship modified by the Chinese, "will serve initially as a training and evaluation platform, and eventually offer a limited operational capability," it said.

The aircraft carrier still has no warplanes on board and "it will take a number of additional years for an air group to achieve the sort of minimal level of combat capability," Schiffer said.

If China begins building its own aircraft carrier this year, it would not be operational until 2015, the report said.

With an array of new weapons coming on line, China's military will face a challenge in the coming decade as it tries to train troops in new tactics and revise its approach to "adopt modern operational concepts," he said.

The report noted an internal debate in China about the role of the military and whether the PLA "should develop to advance China's interests beyond traditional requirements."

It renewed US warnings that China was extending its military edge over Taiwan, citing better artillery that could strike targets within or even across the Taiwan Strait.

China considers Taiwan, where the mainland's defeated nationalists fled in 1949, to be a province awaiting reunification, by force if necessary.

The dispute over Taiwan, including US arms sales to Taipei, has remained a stumbling block to Washington's attempts at promoting a security dialogue with the Chinese military.

Taiwan, and some US lawmakers, have called for the sale of F-16 fighter jets to help counter the Chinese threat.

The Pentagon report covered 2010 and was delayed for five months, following a high-profile visit to Beijing by the US military's top officer in July.

The document estimated China's overall military-related spending was more than $160 billion in 2010.

Chinese military spending, however, is still far below the US defense budget, the world's largest, which was nearly 700 billion dollars in 2010.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/world/08/25/11/us-warns-china-expanding-its-maritime-power

Saber rattling!

China isn't like small fish that will run into the nets upon hearing water clapping. These guys in the US really know how to make the world into thinking US is serious about what they portray themselves to be, IMO.

PAF C-130 undergoing refurbishment in Malaysia...

http://malfly.blogspot.com/2011/08/philaf-c-130h-nearing-completion.html

PAF C-130 undergoing refurbishment in Malaysia...

http://malfly.blogspot.com/2011/08/philaf-c-130h-nearing-completion.html

ok to..how about yung planned purchase of equipments with Indonesia, pushed thru ba yun?:)

[QUOTE=Parchie;83187412]In the industry sector, any refurbishment that will be done on equipment major components will qualify the complete equipment as "good as new". Insurers and bookkeepers make changes in the book values as the impact of a new major component will definitely extend the useful life of the equipment even longer than the useful life of a "brand new" unit. Take it from me, we did a 1963 equipment (useful life 33 years) and it is still running very good even at this very moment! That's +15 years over now and counting.[/QUOTE

according to you, in the case of this choppers:

refurbished = brand new

it's painful to see a surgery being performed by an engineer.

according to you, in the case of this choppers:

refurbished = brand new

it's painful to see a surgery being performed by an engineer.

Please learn to read properly.

Please quote my post where I said "refurbished = brand new"? Is this a case of putting phrases in other poster's posts?

Egads! You ought do better than that!

mismo nakuha mo....ignorance is bold, knowledge is reserved :lol:

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We don't know yet how many flight hours those Helicopters had.

So calling an Ukay-Ukay is a bit premature.



yeah ! but they never won against the Nazis, not until the Americans helped them.



Pwede, kuha tayo ng mga stolen pics then pa-kulam natin haha

around 500 hrs, according to news reports.

What if they zeroed (refurbished) the operational hours of those choppers then it's like new.

kahit ma-refurbish yan luma at ginamit pa din. so ukay-ukay choppers pa din :banana:

hayaan nyo na at least may panlaban kahit papano ^^

Please learn to read properly.

Please quote my post where I said "refurbished = brand new"? Is this a case of putting phrases in other poster's posts?

Egads! You ought do better than that!

no, this is the case were people suddenly become expert on something that they didn't know. As i said, go to timawa forum and don't be a wannabe.

guys, if you have any old equipment, just "refurbished" it and you can sell it like brand new, you know who to ask, Parchie.:cheers:

Has any of the 8 sokols from Poland been delivered in the Philippines?..Is there any navy version?.I was thinking maybe they can put one or two of the Sokols on to be with BRP Gregorio Del Pilar.
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Does this mean BRP Rajah Humabon will be fully retired of will AFP wait until atleast 2 more Cutters arrived if it does push through?

Has any of the 8 sokols from Poland been delivered in the Philippines?..Is there any navy version?.I was thinking maybe they can put one or two of the Sokols on to be with BRP Gregorio Del Pilar.
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Does this mean BRP Rajah Humabon will be fully retired of will AFP wait until atleast 2 more Cutters arrived if it does push through?

i don't think that there will be any naval version of the sokol, i hope in the future. Plus, i think we can ask the Polish to have license production of the aircraft.

Please learn to read properly.

Please quote my post where I said "refurbished = brand new"? Is this a case of putting phrases in other poster's posts?

Egads! You ought do better than that!

mismo nakuha mo....ignorance is bold, knowledge is reserved :lol:

wow, to bad gay marriage is not allowed in the Philippines, so who's the catcher?:lol:

diba may submarine si singson lagyan kaya ng torpedo :lol::lol:

oo nga pala ano na pala nangyari sa mga sokol choppers?

putik!magpapakahirap pa tayong protektahan spratlys, ipa-outsource nalang natin defence nito sa mga kano lintek!50-50 nalang , ok ba senyo?kaysa bili ng bili ng alanganing kagamitang pandigma,saka na tayo bumili pag may kita na tayo sa hatian ng kano sa spratlys, paghandan budget for advance military hardwares,..

putik!magpapakahirap pa tayong protektahan spratlys, ipa-outsource nalang natin defence nito sa mga kano lintek!50-50 nalang , ok ba senyo?kaysa bili ng bili ng alanganing kagamitang pandigma,saka na tayo bumili pag may kita na tayo sa hatian ng kano sa spratlys, paghandan budget for advance military hardwares,..

hahaha pwede pwede....:lol:

diba may submarine si singson lagyan kaya ng torpedo :lol::lol:

oo nga pala ano na pala nangyari sa mga sokol choppers?

to be delivered late this year.

dapat kausapin natin si Dick Cheney, George W. Bush at republicans......... haha kapag nagka threat sa oil reserves diyan hahanap ng paraan ang USA gerahin ang China sa spratelys at makakuha ng juicy contracts sa oil....

ang tanong sa Pinas ba kakampi or sa China.......... hahaha mas malamang sa China kasi mas me mapapala sila sa China.

Saber rattling!

China isn't like small fish that will run into the nets upon hearing water clapping. These guys in the US really know how to make the world into thinking US is serious about what they portray themselves to be, IMO.

Yeah because China isn't saber ratttling either, right?:nuts:
My ass. They've already said they're neither friends nor allies with the US/West. But they will never admit that in public.
But I've bet you've lived long enough in the US or worked for the US military to know what their goals really are, don't you? :nuts:

diba may submarine si singson lagyan kaya ng torpedo :lol::lol:

oo nga pala ano na pala nangyari sa mga sokol choppers?

sokols will arrive by November 2011..apat yun..:cheers:...

dapat kausapin natin si Dick Cheney, George W. Bush at republicans......... haha kapag nagka threat sa oil reserves diyan hahanap ng paraan ang USA gerahin ang China sa spratelys at makakuha ng juicy contracts sa oil....

ang tanong sa Pinas ba kakampi or sa China.......... hahaha mas malamang sa China kasi mas me mapapala sila sa China.

sana nga republican ang manalo sa 2012.

sa atin sila kakampi, kung sa china pa walang ka-challenge challenge ang laban. alam mo naman ang mga puti parang Ginebra, sa una mag-papaapi tapos biglang babawi, hahahaha

Gov't to decide on choppers
By MARIO B. CASAYURAN
August 25, 2011, 7:13pm

MANILA, Philippines — It is now up to the national government to decide the fate of two remaining Robinson helicopters kept at the hangar of Lion Air Inc. in Pasay City.

Former First Gentleman Jose Miguel ‘’Mike’’ Arroyo denied ownership of the helicopters and pointed to Archibald Po, Lion Air president, as the real owner.

Archibald Po, Lion Air president, denied ownership and reiterated in the public hearing Thursday held by the Senate Blue Ribbon committee that the real owner is Arroyo.

The ownership issue of the helicopters surfaced again Thursday during the fifth committee public hearing where senators stressed that detained witness, Rowena del Rosario,former book- keeper of the Arroyo-owned company, LTA Inc., continued to evade their questions to protect the former First Gentleman and his younger brother, Negros Occidental Rep. Ignacio ‘’Iggy’’ Arroyo.

Senate President Pro Tempore Jose ‘’Jinggoy’’ Estrada maintained that Del Rosario has a ‘’selective memory’’ as she answered questions that she wanted to reply to or claimed she does not remember on other questions.

Del Rosario is still under detention at the Senate sergeant-at-Arms office after having been cited in contempt for ‘’lying’’ last Monday. She has worked at the LTA for 11 years until last July 20.

In Thursday’s hearing, Po reiterated his position that the real owner is former First Gentleman.

dapat tanungin nila sa supplier kung sino talaga bumili:lol:

well at least may darating ng sokol :)

sana isunod na nila ang mga fighter jets :lol:

Yeah because China isn't saber ratttling either, right?:nuts:
My ass. They've already said they're neither friends nor allies with the US/West. But they will never admit that in public.
But I've bet you've lived long enough in the US or worked for the US military to know what their goals really are, don't you? :nuts:

dapat kausapin natin si Dick Cheney, George W. Bush at republicans......... haha kapag nagka threat sa oil reserves diyan hahanap ng paraan ang USA gerahin ang China sa spratelys at makakuha ng juicy contracts sa oil....

ang tanong sa Pinas ba kakampi or sa China.......... hahaha mas malamang sa China kasi mas me mapapala sila sa China.

I don't think that the US Military is that stupid to even wage war with China, and the Philippines wouldn't like it either as we will become THE war zone. Most oil-rich areas in the Spratly's are just off the coast of Palawan. The US did not even wage war against the USSR but there were several proxy wars and if ever, that is what is going to happen and seemingly, China is the one starting to start a proxy war by bullying its "hapless" neighbors and having tremendous military upgrade despite being surrounded by countries with UNpowerful military.

That is why the Chinese venturing unilaterally over the area (esp that includes our EEZ) is something Filipinos are sensitive to, and we should remain alert to.

If things turn sour between the US and China, I am afraid we cannot stand neutral. We will be forced to choose sides, unless ASEAN does something and becomes influential. But at its current state, it's a dummy organization

do we have any preparation for cyberwar??

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/230453/technology/report-chinese-military-developing-cyberwarfare-tools

Chinese military developing cyberwarfare tools


A Chinese military television program has hinted at cyberwarfare against China's "enemies," as it included footage of what appears to be software meant to target specific IP addresses, a news site reported.

The Epoch Times article by Matthew Robertson and Helena Zhu called the video footage, where the software asked the user to "Select Attack Target" a "slip-up."

It said the standard Chinese military propaganda screened in mid-July showed shots from a computer screen showing a Chinese military university engaged in cyberwarfare against entities in the United States.

“The CCP has leaked its top secret here," says Jason Ma, a commentator for New Tang Dynasty Television. “This is the first time we see clearly that one of the top Chinese military universities is doing this research and developing software for cyber-attacks. There’s solid proof of it in this video," he said.

While the Chinese Communist Party has denied that it is involved in cyber-attacks, experts have suspected that the Chinese military engages in them.

“Now we’ve got proof. They’re also extending their persecution of Falun Gong overseas, attacking a civil website in the U.S. These are the clear messages revealed in these six seconds of video," Ma said.

Also, the Epoch Times said the documentary is available on China's CCTV website.

The screenshots for six seconds, between 11:04 and 11:10, showing "custom-built Chinese software apparently launching a cyber-attack against the main website of the Falun Gong spiritual practice."

According to the article, the attack used a compromised IP address belonging to a United States university.

People's Liberation Army

The Epoch Times report said the screenshots showed the name of the software and the Chinese university that created it - the Electrical Engineering University of China’s People’s Liberation Army.

It said this was direct evidence that the PLA is involved in coding cyber-attack software directed against a Chinese dissident group.

In the video, the software window said “Choose Attack Target," after which the computer operator selects an IP address from a list.

"Encoded in the software are the words 'Falun Gong website list,' showing that attacking Falun Gong websites was built into the software," it said.

A list of dozens of Falun Gong websites appears. The computer operator chooses Minghui.org, the main website of the Falun Gong spiritual practice.

Compromised US IP address

The Epoch Times report said the IP address 138.26.72.17 belongs to the University of Alabama in Birmingham (UAB), according to an online trace.

Network administrators at UAB contacted on Friday took a look at the IP address on their network and said it had not been used since 2010.

One of the technicians also recalled that there had been a Falun Gong practitioner at the university some years ago who held informal Falun Gong meetings on campus.

They could not confirm whether that individual used that IP address, Epoch Times said.

But a UAB network administrator said they have safeguards against both network intrusions, and that their network is not compromised.

McAfee report

Epoch Times cited a report by network security firm McAfee involving an unprecedented campaign of cyber-espionage, affecting over 70 organizations or governments around the world and implicating billions of dollars in intellectual property.

It said the McAfee report hinted the attack was being carried out by a “state actor."

"Later evidence traced IP addresses involved in the attack to China, and a growing mountain of other circumstantial evidence also suggests that the attacks originated from China," the Epoch Times report said. — TJD, GMA News

Kaya nga nagpull out ang Google. People should stop being politically correct for the sake of security. The Chinese government, anyway, does not deserve "political correctness".

We cannot avoid not to criticize, warn, punish them just not to offend them as "Chinese".

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China lang naman ang may Cold War mentality. it's alarming military upgrade despite being surrounded by countries with hardly strong military.

And defense from what?? Is the Philippines gonna strike missiles? Vietnam? Japan? South Korea? Mongolia? Only India can as they have nukes but China is expanding more on its eastern and southern side.

I am afraid that they are preparing for something. The Chinese military is so secretive. Who knows eh fraction lang pala ng totoong budget nila yung nilabas nila sa military report nila.

An all out war is something that China will want to avoid. After all, who will buy their products if they kill the market?

I was watching the Nat Geo special on WW2 last night, Japan's actions then seem to reflect the actions of China now. Japan was resource hungry, which pretty much drove them to conquest of other nations. China is extremely resource hungry now so....

This morning on Diego Bunuel's DTM ep on Congo, the Congolese seemed really angry at how China literally plunders its resources (with no investments in infrastructure). They flew over the cobalt mines of Congo were mountains were just laid to waste. If not arrested and managed, Congo will turn into a Nauru.

That is why the WTO should shift to FAIR trade from FREE trade. Only countries using child and slave labor will be affected. Jobs will be back in the US and many countries.

Philippines vows to defend South China Sea claims

Philippine President Benigno Aquino on Tuesday vowed a stronger military defence of his country's South China Sea claims, as the navy's newest warship sailed into Manila Bay from the United States.

"This ship symbolises our newly acquired ability to guard, protect, and if necessary, fight for the interests of our country," Aquino said as the refurbished Hamilton-class cutter Gregorio del Pilar dropped anchor.

"This is just the beginning. Expect more good news because we will not stop at one ship."

Aquino said the former US Coast Guard cutter, now the Philippine navy's flagship vessel, would protect the country's exclusive economic zone and its oil and gas exploration activities in the South China Sea.

"This will upgrade our capability to guard our exclusive economic zone as well as the (oil and gas) service contract areas," he said in a welcoming speech.

Many of those areas are claimed by China, which insists it has sovereign rights to almost all of the South China Sea, even waters approaching the coasts of Southeast Asian countries.

Other parts of the sea, which is reputedly rich in mineral resources and straddles vital sea lanes, are also claimed by Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam.

The competing claims have for decades made the sea one of Asia's most dangerous potential military flashpoints, and tensions flared this year after the Philippines and Vietnam accused China of becoming increasingly aggressive.

The Philippines said the Chinese navy had fired warning shots at Filipino fishermen in the South China Sea, harassed an oil exploration vessel and put up markers on Philippine islets.

As the row escalated, the Philippines appealed to longtime ally the United States for help in beefing up its poorly equipped military, with Aquino saying his country could not contain China on its own.

The Philippine navy has an old and badly equipped fleet of fewer than 80 ships to protect its coastline and vast marine interests.

The navy's chief hailed the 115-metre (378-foot) Gregorio del Pilar, which replaces a World War II-era destroyer as the country's flagship vessel, as a timely boost to the Philippines' military power.

"She now symbolises the revival of the Philippine navy," Vice Admiral Alexander Pama said at Tuesday's welcoming ceremony.

"The Gregorio del Pilar's ability to operate in adverse conditions... will be vital in securing our maritime nation's territory and asserting our sovereignty in areas where our capability is now seriously needed."

But even the "new" ship -- acquired under a mutual defence treaty that gives the Philippines access to decommissioned US defence equipment -- first went into operation in the United States more than 45 years ago.

And the Philippine military's budget of about $2.5 billion this year is just a fraction of China's published defence spending about $90 billion.

Manila clinched the deal to acquire the Gregorio del Pilar -- named after a Philippine revolutionary hero who fought the Spanish and died in combat against American forces -- early this year, before the tensions with China flared.

The United States has since promised to help upgrade the Philippine military further, but no details have been released.

China's state-run media this month warned the Philippines it could pay a "high price" for building up its military presence in the South China Sea.

However bilateral ties remain strong in other areas, and Aquino will pay a state visit to China next week.

Source: Yahoo! News (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/philippines-vows-defend-south-china-sea-claims-102146367.html;_ylt=Aue7omDp4fnUOAzg5Yp6DtzmV8d_;_ylu=X3oDMTM2bnVjNjRsBHBrZwM2NjFhZWExNC03NzNkLTNmNDItYWU4OC1kNDY0N2M5Mjc3YzcEcG9zAzEzBHNlYwN0b3Bfc3RvcnkEdmVyA2U1NWYyMDEwLWNkNzEtMTFlMC04ZGZkLTQzNDgyYjZmMjQwZA--;_ylg=X3oDMTF2M3NpaDUyBGludGwDcGgEbGFuZwNlbi1waARwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANwaGlsaXBwaW5lcwRwdANzZWN0aW9ucwR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=3)

Does not that sound war freak?

Are they trying to emulate McKinley, Johnson, Bush-eras US?

These guys do really think that they own the seas! They have rift with Japan and South Korea about seas, if I am not mistaken.

Maybe, we should send many Mendozas to the mainland :lol:

TAIWAN greatly influenced by mainland china? those KMT guys are "TAIWANESE" not "CHINESE", the KMT even influence their billioners/ investors to "GO SOUTH" rather than invest to the communist chinese, that's how TAIWANESE hatred towards CHINESE COMMIES,..PROC cannot influence ROC, as the latter is more powerful in terms of air superiority plus US umbrella, you don't know the animosity of both countries, I rather bet to embrace a friendlier taiwan than a greedy and hostile chinese commies, ROC is more a country than the PROC,..

I think what he meant that politics between PRC and ROC influences the decision. Let us not forget that the US abides by "One-China" policy.

Matagal nang issue yung pagbenta ng US ng armas sa Taiwan. Siguro if the US has not been selling, baka nainvade na ng mainland China ang Taiwan by force.

attacking the US anywhere without them anticipating it will somehow create a damage but too devastating a retaliatory attack from them this formation is not in battle mode the chinese subs could be sunk in real battle by a submarine hunter-killers in their inventory they can suprise the US in their very unexpected glory like the japs on pearl harbor or al-qaeda on twin towers and you can hurt them but will result in the attackers torment once they retaliate, chinese could copy the suprise attack by japan and al-qaeda but look at them or their supporters now?japan has been enslaved by the US, countries supportive of al-qaeda were tormented by US forces, sure the commies can or any ambitious force but they are not fool to loose their power or country,..

Beware of the Eagle.

if the Philippines beefs us on its defenses, it's gonna be beware of the "twin eagles" (Earth and Venus?)
:lol:

American Eagle = largest
Philippine Eagle = second largest.

http://mi9.com/uploads/animal/223/american-eagle-wallpaper_422_3393.jpg http://www.evana.org/images/uploaded/Philippine_Eagle.jpg

Akala lang nila maya tayo. Hahaha

China should also be cautious, it might awake a sleeping giant that the US put to sleep 70 years ago. :lol: The Japanese could one day revise its constitution and go banzai again :lol:

I don't think that the US Military is that stupid to even wage war with China, and the Philippines wouldn't like it either as we will become THE war zone. Most oil-rich areas in the Spratly's are just off the coast of Palawan. The US did not even wage war against the USSR but there were several proxy wars and if ever, that is what is going to happen and seemingly, China is the one starting to start a proxy war by bullying its "hapless" neighbors and having tremendous military upgrade despite being surrounded by countries with UNpowerful military.

That is why the Chinese venturing unilaterally over the area (esp that includes our EEZ) is something Filipinos are sensitive to, and we should remain alert to.

If things turn sour between the US and China, I am afraid we cannot stand neutral. We will be forced to choose sides, unless ASEAN does something and becomes influential. But at its current state, it's a dummy organization

It's not just the military. It's the entire public perception, being war weary and all that. The US should just focus on its economy for now. All the same I don't like them appeasing its debtors, especially the behos to secure more future loans. Like those loans would actually go to Americans/residents anyway instead of Iraq/Afghanistan.
Btw, Vote Biden and OB out in 2012.
Philippines should concentrate on building its military for now and ignore the saber rattling from China. Makikita din ng tao kung sino talaga ang nang-aapi at naapi.

no, this is the case were people suddenly become expert on something that they didn't know. As i said, go to timawa forum and don't be a wannabe.

guys, if you have any old equipment, just "refurbished" it and you can sell it like brand new, you know who to ask, Parchie.:cheers:

This is something you ought to have learned when you were in grade school. You don't tell people where to go if you don't know where those people came from. You pretend to be knowledgeable yet you don't have reading comprehension skills.

First you attributed to me alleging I said "refurbished=brand new". Now you're saying "refurbished can be sold like brand new". All lies and indications of your inability to grasp the real issue which is valuation of assets. If you want, debunk what I posted. Ask your friends who are more knowledgeable about it. Post papers telling @parchie is telling the wrong info. Better still, go back to your school notes and study more. Stop pretending you knew about asset management and treatment of improvements or betterments wrt to book values. You don't add premium to this discussions doing what you did, you just muddled it. If you can't put up, just shut up!

Beware of the Eagle.

if the Philippines beefs us on its defenses, it's gonna be beware of the "twin eagles" (Earth and Venus?)
:lol:

American Eagle = largest
Philippine Eagle = second largest.

http://mi9.com/uploads/animal/223/american-eagle-wallpaper_422_3393.jpg http://www.evana.org/images/uploaded/Philippine_Eagle.jpg

Akala lang nila maya tayo. Hahaha

China should also be cautious, it might awake a sleeping giant that the US put to sleep 70 years ago. :lol: The Japanese could one day revise its constitution and go banzai again :lol:

akala ko largest eagle in the world ang Philippine eagle?:)

Beware of the Eagle.

if the Philippines beefs us on its defenses, it's gonna be beware of the "twin eagles" (Earth and Venus?)
:lol:

American Eagle = largest
Philippine Eagle = second largest.

http://mi9.com/uploads/animal/223/american-eagle-wallpaper_422_3393.jpg http://www.evana.org/images/uploaded/Philippine_Eagle.jpg

Akala lang nila maya tayo. Hahaha

China should also be cautious, it might awake a sleeping giant that the US put to sleep 70 years ago. :lol: The Japanese could one day revise its constitution and go banzai again :lol:

^^Mas malaki daw ang Philippine Eagle e..

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_g8iD3k0b-r0/SVGqTM1mLjI/AAAAAAAAACI/V4XmWkco9K4/s400/eagle.JPG

The Philippine Eagle has brown and white-coloured plumage, and a shaggy crest, and generally measures 86–102 centimetres (2.82–3.35 ft)
in length and weighs 4.7 to 8 kilograms (10 to 18 lb). Among the rarest, largest, and most powerful birds in the world,
it has been declared the Philippines national bird.
It is typically reported as being 86–102 centimetres (2.82–3.35 ft) long,
but a survey at several of the largest natural history collection in the world found that the
average was 95 centimetres (3.12 ft) for males and 105 centimetres (3.44 ft) for females.
Based on the latter measurements, this makes it the longest extant species of eagle, as the
average for the female equals the maximum reported for the Harpy Eagle and Steller's Sea Eagle.


The Bald Eagle (American Eagle) is a bird of prey found in North America.
It is the national bird and symbol of the United States of America.
The Bald Eagle is a large bird, with a body length of 70–102 centimeters (28–40 in), a wingspan of between 1.68 m (66 in) and 2.44 m (96 in), and a mass of 2.5–7 kilograms (5.5–15 lb); females are
about 25 percent larger than males, adult females averaging 5.8 kilograms (13 lb) and males averaging 4.1 kilograms (9.0 lb).
The size of the bird varies by location; the smallest specimens are those from Florida, where an adult male may
barely exceed 2.3 kilograms (5.1 lb) and a wingspan of 1.8 m (5.9 ft). The largest are Alaskan birds, where large
females may exceed 7.5 kilograms (17 lb) and have a wingspan of over 2.4 m (7.9 ft).

Kelan pa naging mas malaki ang Bald Eagle sa Philippine Eagle? The Harpy Eagle is its only rival in the size department.

Define "brand new" and define "2nd hand". then we will argue on merits and demerits.

anong merits and demerits ang pinagsasabi mo? ang 2nd hand, gamit na. kung 500 hrs na ang accumulated flight time ng helicopter, hindi na yan brand new.

ano pa arguments mo dun? surely your statistics prof could have told you that

iba kasi pag sinabi mong "2nd hand" at "refurbished" e.:)

pwede rin siguro 2nd hand na refurbished but 2nd hand lang? walang inayos..walang pinalitan, as in wala...iba na yun.:)

in our state ngayon with lots of corrupt gov't officials I would rather accept the fact that our country can only afford those hand me down but refurbished equipments, it's better than nothing at all.

we can maybe purchase brand new equipments, but what really is the priority of our country? we can't afford training, maintenance, its weaponry etc. It takes a long time to be familiar with equipments some of us are wishing for and that will entail cost which is too much. We have limited budget for defense, for our AFP.:)

For the moment let's be contented with the reality that we can't afford yet those things we are wishing for our AFP, slowly we will be one of them.

refurbished, 2nd hand na pinalitan ang ibang piyesa at siguro bagong pintura etc. pero 2nd hand pa din.

refurbished, 2nd hand na pinalitan ang ibang piyesa at siguro bagong pintura etc. pero 2nd hand pa din.

sa eroplano pag refurbished kasi, pinapalitan ng bago ang engine, mga controls, weaponry, hindi lang naman sa Pinas yan pati kano ganun din..yan ang pinag kaiba ng 2ndhand lang against 2ndhand refurbished.:)

oonga, pero 2nd hand pa din. wag ibenta as brand new or sa presyong brand new.

oonga, pero 2nd hand pa din. wag ibenta as brand new or sa presyong brand new.

syempre pag bininta ng brand new iba na yun...but don't be mislead in saying 2ndhand only, refurbished 2ndhand is the right term..esp for the PF 15, beauty is skin deep.:)

i was talking about the ukay-ukay helicopters.


I was well aware about the Hamilton being refurbished.

iba kasi pag sinabi mong "2nd hand" at "refurbished" e.:)

pwede rin siguro 2nd hand na refurbished but 2nd hand lang? walang inayos..walang pinalitan, as in wala...iba na yun.:)

in our state ngayon with lots of corrupt gov't officials I would rather accept the fact that our country can only afford those hand me down but refurbished equipments, it's better than nothing at all.

we can maybe purchase brand new equipments, but what really is the priority of our country? we can't afford training, maintenance, its weaponry etc. It takes a long time to be familiar with equipments some of us are wishing for and that will entail cost which is too much. We have limited budget for defense, for our AFP.:)

For the moment let's be contented with the reality that we can't afford yet those things we are wishing for our AFP, slowly we will be one of them.

Mr.Arcabe, maybe you don't understand the issue, simplify natin ha.

TAMA BA NA BAYARAN NG GOBYERNO USING TAXPAYER MONEY ANG 2 CHOPPER NA REFURBISHED SA PRESYO NA KAGAYA NG ISANG BRAND NEW?

Kapag nasagot mo yan malalaman mo kung bakit dumadaing ang taong bayan.

Kung ang mga chopper na yan ay binayaran as refurbished at yun ang condition ng contract, walang issue dyan.

Ano to Smoke Grenade Chaff Launcher???
Parang sa 38??
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/320056_147111828709872_100002331662878_275746_3999212_n.jpg

From Kayo ang BOSS KO FB page..
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/306161_147111812043207_100002331662878_275745_1900774_n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/321248_147111855376536_100002331662878_275747_7005901_n.jpg
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/295763_147111918709863_100002331662878_275749_5729271_n.jpg
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/296869_147111878709867_100002331662878_275748_7880650_n.jpg

Ano to Smoke Grenade Chaff Launcher???
Parang sa 38??
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/320056_147111828709872_100002331662878_275746_3999212_n.jpg

decoy chaff launchers.. i bet walang laman yan. bibili pa tayo ng supplies from Uncle Sam

Mr.Arcabe, maybe you don't understand the issue, simplify natin ha.

TAMA BA NA BAYARAN NG GOBYERNO USING TAXPAYER MONEY ANG 2 CHOPPER NA REFURBISHED SA PRESYO NA KAGAYA NG ISANG BRAND NEW?

Kapag nasagot mo yan malalaman mo kung bakit dumadaing ang taong bayan.

Mr. Monsy i know about that, e hindi naman tungkol sa chopper ang gusto kong i point out, it was about the Hamilton ship, kaya nga hindi ko na sinagot si Kintoy kasi ok din ang point nya. I explained lang ang pinag kaiba ng 2ndhand sa refurbished 2ndhand. And I am referring to the AFP and not sa PNP. ayos? just read my post..I know me and kintoy have made clear on that.:)

This is something you ought to have learned when you were in grade school. You don't tell people where to go if you don't know where those people came from. You pretend to be knowledgeable yet you don't have reading comprehension skills.

First you attributed to me alleging I said "refurbished=brand new". Now you're saying "refurbished can be sold like brand new". All lies and indications of your inability to grasp the real issue which is valuation of assets. If you want, debunk what I posted. Ask your friends who are more knowledgeable about it. Post papers telling @parchie is telling the wrong info. Better still, go back to your school notes and study more. Stop pretending you knew about asset management and treatment of improvements or betterments wrt to book values. You don't add premium to this discussions doing what you did, you just muddled it. If you can't put up, just shut up!

I don't have comprehension problem, it is clear to me that you will defend everything that GMA has done, good or bad.

ISSUE: Government paid for two refurbished (if it is indeed refurbished and is anyone here knows the extent of refurbishment) choppers for the price of a brand new. It is not about asset management.

I didn't said that refurbished chopper can be sold as brand new, you did when you desperately justify the previous admin transaction. Ilan na nga bang PNP chopper ang na-refurbished ng company mo at parang expert ka na. Wag mong babaguhin ang topic tungkol ito sa PNP chopper, baka naman ibang equipment na naman ang pag-basehan mo.

Then you posted this:

Define "brand new" and define "2nd hand". then we will argue on merits and demerits.

What's the point you're trying to make when you asked me this? I don't want to put words in your mouth, but i'll try anyway. Are you trying to convince me that there's nothing with the transaction, refurbished price = brand new price?

Whatever your answer is, this will always be the issue,

ISSUE: Government paid for two refurbished (if it is indeed refurbished and is anyone here knows the extent of refurbishment) choppers for the price of a brand new.


This is the Philippine Defense Forces Thread, we are talking about two chopper (which will be eventually piloted with the good men of the PNP) and then i pointed out that this is a defense related issue which can be address by men in the know (not me) in other forum.

kung hindi mo kayang batikusin ang dating admin sa MALING NAGAWA nila, tumahimik ka na lang.


Mukha kasing alam mo ang mga gumagalaw dito sa bayan eh! Nasa labas pala kayo.

A intelligent responds from a wise knowledgeable Parchie. OFW keep out ba ang forum na eto?

i was talking about the ukay-ukay helicopters.


I was well aware about the Hamilton being refurbished.

Mr. Monsy i know about that, e hindi naman tungkol sa chopper ang gusto kong i point out, it was about the Hamilton ship, kaya nga hindi ko na sinagot si Kintoy kasi ok din ang point nya. I explained lang ang pinag kaiba ng 2ndhand sa refurbished 2ndhand. And I am referring to the AFP and not sa PNP. ayos? just read my post..I know me and kintoy have made clear on that.:)

:)

itong 2nd hand choppers hinde ba alam ng mga heneral na hinde brand new yung copters nayan?nagrereklamo clang 2nd hand pero binili naman nila,..

Ideologically, refurbished is second hand. Pero, if you're gonna look at the prices of refurbished, hindi malayo sa brand new.

That given, anong pilipiin mo, brand new or refurbished? I'd go for brand new.

Corruption is the main issue here sa pagbili nang lumang choppers ni first gentleman

magugulang talaga basta lang kunita gagawa ng kalokohan,..

Parang off the topic ang thread na to...meron sariling thread ang corruption. Pls. focus tayo sa defence.

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-as/306161_147111812043207_100002331662878_275745_1900774_n.jpg
Lightly-armed ?

^^ Wala nga ring ammunition siguro. :)

^^ At wala ring pambili. Hahaha. Bili lang ng bili ng ships, lang ammunition naman. LOL!

Lightly-armed ?

It's a giant patrol boat

^^ Wala nga ring ammunition siguro. :)

I think i saw it on TV that the ammunition storage (whatever you call the area) of 76mm Oto Melara is empty.

^^ At wala ring pambili. Hahaha. Bili lang ng bili ng ships, lang ammunition naman. LOL!

Well, ganun talaga eh :lol:

Parang off the topic ang thread na to...meron sariling thread ang corruption. Pls. focus tayo sa defence.

^^sorry po, kasi wala nang topics tungkol sa DEFENSE, dahil wala tyong armas:bash::bash::bash::ohno::ohno::ohno::nuts::nuts::nuts::lol::lol::lol::lol:

^^LOL

Wala bang bagong balita sa bansang Tsina maliban sa "joint exploration under Philippine law"?

Sabi siguro ni Noynoy.... "Tutal eh 2nd hand naman ang aircraft carrier ng china kaya 2nd hand nadin bilhin natin."

Sabi siguro ni Noynoy.... "Tutal eh 2nd hand naman ang aircraft carrier ng china kaya 2nd hand nadin bilhin natin."
NYAHHHH..hehehehhe..:lol::nuts::rofl::rofl:

^^ At wala ring pambili. Hahaha. Bili lang ng bili ng ships, lang ammunition naman. LOL!
Pambili daw muna nila ng SUV,,Condo unit para sa anak na sosyal ni admiral..Pang shopping ni misis pati narin si kabit:nuts::bash::lol::rofl::rofl:

Palace to ensure fair deal in PHL-China Spratlys exploration (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/palace-ensure-fair-deal-phl-china-spratlys-exploration-073210577.html)

Malacañang on Saturday assured the public the Philippines will get a fair shake from a joint oil exploration with China at a disputed area in the Spratlys.

“It [joint venture] is still in the exploratory stage, we don’t know yet the details of the agreement. But certainly what will be taken into consideration is the parity of the parties and it will also serve our national interest," Presidential spokesman Edwin Lacierda said on government-run dzRB radio.

He added both sides are still continuing to dialogue on the matter.

But he stressed the Philippines will not allow the exploration to intrude into what is clearly Philippine territory.

“We know what is ours... Anytime we are going to discuss exploratory talks with other countries we have to bear in mind which is ours and which is disputed," he said, citing an earlier statement by Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario.

The Philippines and China had some encounters within disputed areas. The two are among six claimants to the Spratlys, the others being Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei.

“Ang mahalaga dapat patas yung agreement, fair to all concerned. Yan ang prime consideration," Lacierda said.

Last Friday, Trade Undersecretary Cristino Panlilio was quoted as saying the Philippine government has agreed to allow Chinese government-owned firm Sino Petroleum Corp. to conduct oil exploration in the disputed areas in Spratlys in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).

Dotted red line shows vast area claimed by China. The PHL, which is claiming some islands, has begun calling the region the West Philippine Sea. GMANews.TV
Panlilio said this is part of a $2- to 7-billion investment package the Philippine contingent is expected to get during the state visit of President Aquino to China next week.

He said both parties do not expect any problems with the Spratlys operations because Sino Petroleum has already agreed to conduct the oil exploration “under Philippine laws."

Panlilio said a top official of Sino Petroleum would meet Aquino during the state visit, and Energy Secretary Jose Rene Almendras would sign the agreement on behalf of the Philippine government.

During the visit, Aquino is expected to sign the Philippines-China Development Program.

Under the agreement, China promises to invest $50 billion over the next five years. The $2 billion to $7 billion is included in the $50-billion commitment.

Lacierda noted the agreement shows both countries “are continuing to dialogue notwithstanding some disagreements."

Joint exploration talks

Lacierda said Aquino and Chinese President Hu Jintao are not likely to discuss the joint exploration at their level.

“It’s in the works, in the ministry level," he said.

Moreover, he said both sides know each other’s positions, adding both parties “are willing to go into continuous dialogue."

“We’ll just be respectful towards each other. We have differences but we can go (beyond) those differences," he said.

Meanwhile, Lacierda said China appears enthusiastic about President Benigno Aquino III’s upcoming state visit to China.

He said seven Chinese media agencies interviewed Aquino last Friday night, four of them from Manila and two from Beijing.

“Kitang kita ang knailang respeto at enthusiasm sa pagdating ni Pangulong Aquino sa China. Simple ang tanong, tingin nila sa atin kaibigan talaga, hindi parang kaaway," he said.

The palace SHOULD disclose where the joint exploration will be. Unless may balak sila magpauto . If it is outside our EEZ, no problem. If it is inside, there is a big problem

Palace to ensure fair deal in PHL-China Spratlys exploration (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/palace-ensure-fair-deal-phl-china-spratlys-exploration-073210577.html)



The palace SHOULD disclose where the joint exploration will be. Unless may balak sila magpauto . If it is outside our EEZ, no problem. If it is inside, there is a big problem

Sellout 2.0 :lol:

Pambili daw muna nila ng SUV,,Condo unit para sa anak na sosyal ni admiral..Pang shopping ni misis pati narin si kabit:nuts::bash::lol::rofl::rofl:

^^ well said:banana::banana::banana::cheers::cheers::cheers::bash::bash::bash::lol::lol::lol:

Noynoy is Chinese, Cojuancos are chinese.

^^ Yan kasi sobrang kurakot at bureaucracy at pagiging ignorante ng masa:lol:
Tuloy parati nalang nakasandal ang Pinas kay Uncle Sam at UN pagdating sa external issues. :lol:

Tama ganito na lang gawin natin panakot sa beho :lol:
They hated me in another forum for saying that. when they were asking what would be the best defensive armament it should have. Told them keep the US Coast Guard logos and emblems.http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?202933-PN-Receives-Largest-Warship/page2
:rofl:
Bumili pa tayo ng ukay ukay kay Uncle Sam at wag tanggalin ang USN logo:lol:

^^ The non-removal of the logo is tempting. Imagine that China holding restraint because they see a US ship (manned by Filipinos?) ! Hahaha

But then again, there could be legal implications

Hasn't the administration realize that if China believes they have full sovereignty in the WPS, they would not even want a joint venture! Amin to bakit kayo makikinabang?

If only our govt has the same mentality.

But then, China knows it does not hold a candle in international law that is why they say they are willing to do joint venture with us in "their territory" :lol:

On other news: the China-India conflict is just as interesting as the Spratly's tension. Nuclear power countries on collision..

http://www.sify.com/news/nervous-china-may-attack-india-by-2012-news-features-jhmqlGgeaia.html

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/newdelhi/Indian-Army-fears-attack-from-China-by-2017/Article1-393140.aspx

It is somewhat OA on the Indian side, but you really never know what China plans to do. Their massive military upgrade is alarming for a country not involved in a war. One cannot be complacent. Back in ww2, no one thought Japan would bomb any US territory

The palace SHOULD disclose where the joint exploration will be. Unless may balak sila magpauto . If it is outside our EEZ, no problem. If it is inside, there is a big problemWhat do you mean out of EEZ? If it's out of EEZ, I believe we can't joint exploit it. It's either part of the international waters or our own territorial waters.

loko talaga kayo.wag nyo sabihin na chinese si noy-noy.:lol::lol:halos lahat ng pilipino ay may dugong singkit,intsik,tsekwa.:lol::lol:check nyo mga ancestors nyo simula pa ng panahon ni lapu-lapu nag ma migrate na sa pilipinas ang mga intsik dito sa pilipinas,karamihan sa chinese sa pilipinas ay nagpalit na lang ng apelyedo kaya nabago ang apelyedo para sa pag iwas sa pagbabayad ng buwis noong kaunaunahang panahon pa,kaya nga tayo tinawag na azkals e kasi halo halo ang ating lahi.merong spanish chinese,merong malay chinese,merong muslim chinese,merong american chinese.guys stop insulting chinese pilipino or single out individual or calling chinese.karamihan sa atin ay may dugong chinese.(tapos)pero syempre mahal natin ang pilipinas dito tayo pinanganak at hindi sa tsina,ito ang bansa natin,pero pag pumasok sila dito at ngkinin,kubkubin ang para sa ating mga mistisong azkal e di tayo papayag kakagtin natin sila sa betlog nila.:lol::lol::lol::lol::bash::banana:at sa paa e karamihan sa ating mga mistisong azkals e matapang ang rabis kaya matatakot sila sa atin.....:lol::lol::lol::lol::nuts::nuts::banana::banana::bash::bash:

hoy ha wala akong lahing hinsik, pero mahilig ako sa champoy, shumai, hototay, quiamoy, at kung pao chicken

:lol:

yikes defense forces thread pala ito baka kanyonin ako dito bigla:lol:

What do you mean out of EEZ? If it's out of EEZ, I believe we can't joint exploit it. It's either part of the international waters or our own territorial waters.

Not part of our EEZ, was it ambiguous? The WPS is more than 12 nautical miles

I think i saw it on TV that the ammunition storage (whatever you call the area) of 76mm Oto Melara is empty.

Well they just got the ship from the USCG which took their stuff that wasn't included in the deal such as say the ammunition, the vessel is then likely to be refitted in the country the new paint etc and the PN obviously has ammunition for the gun since the 3 ex peacock class corvettes are also armed with the gun, so it will probably be armed with the necessary ammunition by the time it does set sail for it's first operational mission ... .

Well they just got the ship from the USCG which took their stuff that wasn't included in the deal such as say the ammunition, the vessel is then likely to be refitted in the country the new paint etc and the PN obviously has ammunition for the gun since the 3 ex peacock class corvettes are also armed with the gun, so it will probably be armed with the necessary ammunition by the time it does set sail for it's first operational mission ... .

I think a quote from the movie, "Down Periscope", is appropriate to ask regarding the ammo....

Are they also left over from World War 2, sir?

:lol::lol::lol:

hoy ha wala akong lahing hinsik, pero mahilig ako sa champoy, shumai, hototay, quiamoy, at kung pao chicken

:lol:

yikes defense forces thread pala ito baka kanyonin ako dito bigla:lol:
:lol::lol::lol:

Actually most Filipinos are of Chinese descent if we trace starting from the time of Jesus Christ or earlier. From China they walked in all directions, across the Bering Sea to the Americas, from China to Indochina to the Malay peninsula to Sarawak then Sabah until the group of Datu Puti sailed the Sulu Sea to the Philippine mainland.

Jokes aside the ww2 era vintage ships in the navy are not equipped with the Italian 76mm oto gun so finding ammunition for those ships are probably more problematic than for the newer ships .

Actually most Filipinos are of Chinese descent if we trace starting from the time of Jesus Christ or earlier. From China they walked in all directions, across the Bering Sea to the Americas, from China to Indochina to the Malay peninsula to Sarawak then Sabah until the group of Datu Puti sailed the Sulu Sea to the Philippine mainland.

ay, hindi ako kasama dyan, hindi singkit ang mata ko:lol:

Actually most Filipinos are of Chinese descent if we trace starting from the time of Jesus Christ or earlier. From China they walked in all directions, across the Bering Sea to the Americas, from China to Indochina to the Malay peninsula to Sarawak then Sabah until the group of Datu Puti sailed the Sulu Sea to the Philippine mainland. :lol: :lol: nakupow kuya. Diyan nga tayo napapahamak sa pag-spread ng ganyang paniniwala e. E di kung lahat ng filipino pala galing tsina at ang mga intsik mula tsina naglakad nuon pa sa kapanahunan ng Panginoon papuntang America, bering sea, sarawak, sabah atbp... alam niyo ba ang kasunod niyan???

haynaku, mga Ancient Maps na naman. aangkinin lahat ng mga lugar na nabanggit niyo... :lol: :lol:

Actually most Filipinos are of Chinese descent if we trace starting from the time of Jesus Christ or earlier. From China they walked in all directions, across the Bering Sea to the Americas, from China to Indochina to the Malay peninsula to Sarawak then Sabah until the group of Datu Puti sailed the Sulu Sea to the Philippine mainland.

Mukha lang akong singkit pag nakasalamin. Pero wala akong dugong Intsik. :lol::lol::lol:

Actually most Filipinos are of Chinese descent if we trace starting from the time of Jesus Christ or earlier. From China they walked in all directions, across the Bering Sea to the Americas, from China to Indochina to the Malay peninsula to Sarawak then Sabah until the group of Datu Puti sailed the Sulu Sea to the Philippine mainland.

Ako may halo na ding Chinese pero recently lang (hindi from the time of Jesus) during Chinese Civil War kasi nag migrate ang mga ninuno ko papunta dito. Pero I don't describe myself as half breed 100% Pinoy ang lagi kong pakilala :banana:

^^ Right, it's not really a matter of ancestry but to where your loyalty lies.

Ok lang yan kahit na 50-60-90-20% lang ang blood mo na Filipino basta alam mo and proud ka na isa kang Pilipino.... Hindi gaya ng isang nakilala ko sa London minsan. Tinanong ko sya kung pinoy ba sya....ang sagot ba naman..." No..i am a cebuano."


off topic na tayo...

Ok lang yan kahit na 50-60-90-20% lang ang blood mo na Filipino basta alam mo and proud ka na isa kang Pilipino.... Hindi gaya ng isang nakilala ko sa London minsan. Tinanong ko sya kung pinoy ba sya....ang sagot ba naman..." No..i am a cebuano."


off topic na tayo...

BAD.:ohno::ohno::ohno:

here's another variation and echo, I am proud to be a Cebuano... :D :D :D :okay:

uNA6OC_s0Mo

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The Philippines will acquire 6 Korean TA-50 Golden Eagle

The President of the Philippines has allotted P11 billion this year alone for the capability upgrade of the AFP. Of the amount, P8 billion came from the Malampaya fund.

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Update News:

Philippine Air Force ordered 8 W-3WA units for its Combat Utility Helicopter (CUH) requirement, schedule for delivery 4th quarter of 2011.

The $73 Million contract was later Cancelled after a board of inquiry determined that the deal was overpriced. :ohno:

^^ Saw on a shirt - Half-Filipino is better than none!

Here's another food for thought:

Define irony: The Philippines naming a new ship, acquired from the US after an esteemed young Filipino General Gregorio Del Pilar who led the revolutionary forces against the said Country who supplied the ship:nuts::lol::lol::lol:

In your face, Uncle Sam!:lol:

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Update News:

Philippine Air Force ordered 8 W-3WA units for its Combat Utility Helicopter (CUH) requirement, schedule for delivery 4th quarter of 2011.

The $73 Million contract was later Cancelled after a board of inquiry determined that the deal was overpriced. :ohno:

I don't think this planned was already cancelled. I saw last friday on the local news here that during the ambush interview of LTGEN Oscar H. Rabena at Zamboanga City (guest on the 3rd division change of command ceremony). He mention it that the two of Sokol Brand new helicopters will be assigning on this area....:)

When I was taking my Advance ROTC during Marcos era, most of my Ilocano batchmates were tall and good looking. Even Marcos was good looking. What happen? They shrank? :lol:

these helicopters will arrive this coming November...the first 4 of the 8 ordered will be flying our skies...it is already confirmed.:)

but the one below is not the variant we're having, that's the attack version..we will be getting the utility version..with advance avionics.:cheers:

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Update News:

Philippine Air Force ordered 8 W-3WA units for its Combat Utility Helicopter (CUH) requirement, schedule for delivery 4th quarter of 2011.

The $73 Million contract was later Cancelled after a board of inquiry determined that the deal was overpriced. :ohno:

I don't think this planned was already cancelled. I saw last friday on the local news here that during the ambush interview of LTGEN Oscar H. Rabena at Zamboanga City (guest on the 3rd division change of command ceremony). He mention it that the two of Sokol Brand new helicopters will be assigning on this area....:)

uNA6OC_s0Mo

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The Philippines will acquire 6 Korean TA-50 Golden Eagle

The President of the Philippines has allotted P11 billion this year alone for the capability upgrade of the AFP. Of the amount, P8 billion came from the Malampaya fund.

it is not yet confirmed if we are getting this one...one strong contender for an interim fighter-trainer is the M-346 from the makers of the S-211.:)

base on the video ( above jet is the TA-50 and below is the M-346).

When I was taking my Advance ROTC during Marcos era, most of my Ilocano batchmates were tall and good looking. Even Marcos was good looking. What happen? They shrank? :lol:

They evolved into a new breed of species known as "bekis"

As much as I support an stronger military alliance with the US, it is sad that we have been neglected by Kuya, militarily and politically. Mga ambassadors lang nakakausap ata natin. :lol: But then again, I think it's also our fault. Our politicians and leftist like to blame our own faults to Kuya. :ohno:

Kaya, panindigan na lang talaga natin ang pagiging "nationalistic" kuno natin..I hope, our President will put more budget sa National Defense natin, para ka-respe-respeto naman tayo... :)

Abolish pork barrel especially sa mga unreasonably anti-US/anti-AFP. Divert to AFP funds

Abolish pork barrel especially sa mga unreasonably anti-US/anti-AFP. Divert to AFP funds

Tingnan natin kung may mag senador at congressman pa, sa lagay na yan. I can even feel better result with Conditional Cash Transfer than pork barrel. Better divert pork barrel funds to National Defense, NEDA and Education.

Are we talking about the armed forces or regional pride?

Tingnan natin kung may mag senador at congressman pa, sa lagay na yan. I can even feel better result with Conditional Cash Transfer than pork barrel. Better divert pork barrel funds to National Defense, NEDA and Education.

Although I have apprehension with CCT as a long term, permanent solution, at least may "risk" involved sa CCT, pork barrel is pure dole out to politicians without risk, without collateral that is almost untraceable

it is not yet confirmed if we are getting this one...one strong contender for an interim fighter-trainer is the M-346 from the makers of the S-211.:)

base on the video ( above jet is the TA-50 and below is the M-346).

What The Philippines needs are multi-role air superiority fighters. Enough of these trainers.

As much as I support an stronger military alliance with the US, it is sad that we have been neglected by Kuya, militarily and politically. Mga ambassadors lang nakakausap ata natin. :lol: But then again, I think it's also our fault. Our politicians and leftist like to blame our own faults to Kuya. :ohno:

I would also support a stronger US military alliance.

But The Philippines should also modernize its armed forces as well enough to defend our interests.

Like I said earlier, I'm for a modern armed forces even if its use only for defense.

I would also support a stronger US military alliance.

But The Philippines should also modernize its armed forces as well enough to defend our interests.

Like I said earlier, I'm for a modern armed forces even if its use only for defense.

Agreed. It is beyond me why our gov't will kick out the US without ensuring our state of defense. They did it in 1991, they are doing it again. Had it not been for the recent alarming intrusions, I don't they will do something...no "new" second hands either

They really want to take out our underwear, do they? Gusto ata tayong bugawin :lol::lol:

What The Philippines needs are multi-role air superiority fighters. Enough of these trainers.

agree :cheers::cheers:

What The Philippines needs are multi-role air superiority fighters. Enough of these trainers.

Unfortunately, we need these trainer jets to bridge the between the 3rd, 4th gen and 5th gen fighters. Now, as of present, we have pilots that had experience flying 4(.5)th gen fighters (if there's any perhaps they're nearing retirement). And our S-211 doesn't cut the ice. So knowing these, trainer jets are necessity if we want to build up formidable airforce again.

Has any of the 8 sokols from Poland been delivered in the Philippines?..Is there any navy version?.I was thinking maybe they can put one or two of the Sokols on to be with BRP Gregorio Del Pilar.
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Does this mean BRP Rajah Humabon will be fully retired of will AFP wait until atleast 2 more Cutters arrived if it does push through?

The 1st batch of 4 Sokols will be delivered this November but there will be no naval version and it's the BO-105 that BRP Gregorio Del Pilar will be carrying.

i don't think that there will be any naval version of the sokol, i hope in the future. Plus, i think we can ask the Polish to have license production of the aircraft.

The license to locally produce those Russian-copied Sokol helicopters was not part of the deal.

Mr.Arcabe, maybe you don't understand the issue, simplify natin ha.

TAMA BA NA BAYARAN NG GOBYERNO USING TAXPAYER MONEY ANG 2 CHOPPER NA REFURBISHED SA PRESYO NA KAGAYA NG ISANG BRAND NEW?

Kapag nasagot mo yan malalaman mo kung bakit dumadaing ang taong bayan.

Having 2 helicopters is better than having only 1 helicopter. Let's say Mr. Taxpayer needs a helicopter rescue in the North while at the same time Mrs. Taxpayer also needs the same help in the South. Do you think a single brand new helicopter can do the 2 jobs alone? The Philippine government has been using 2nd hand refurbished helicopters for decades now so why complain only now?

Ano to Smoke Grenade Chaff Launcher???
Parang sa 38??
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/320056_147111828709872_100002331662878_275746_3999212_n.jpg

Yes, anti-missile defense. The Philippine Navy has a supply of those chaffs.

It's a giant patrol boat

It's a patrol ship not a boat. :ohno:


I think i saw it on TV that the ammunition storage (whatever you call the area) of 76mm Oto Melara is empty.

It was on display that's why it's empty. Have you noticed the soldiers on parade doesn't have magazines inserted on their rifles?

^^sorry po, kasi wala nang topics tungkol sa DEFENSE, dahil wala tyong armas:bash::bash::bash::ohno::ohno::ohno::nuts::nuts::nuts::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Obvious naman na panlalait na lang ang ginagawa nyo... mga komunista lang ang gumagawa nyan sa Internet.

uNA6OC_s0Mo

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The Philippines will acquire 6 Korean TA-50 Golden Eagle

The President of the Philippines has allotted P11 billion this year alone for the capability upgrade of the AFP. Of the amount, P8 billion came from the Malampaya fund.

Where's your real source of information other than youtube video that was made by a fanatic?

What The Philippines needs are multi-role air superiority fighters. Enough of these trainers.

In order to fly your dream fighter jets, you will need advanced trainers.

I agree that PAF needs advanced trainers. But on the other hand, should also have the budget to purchase the real deal which are the fighter planes and other modern equipment.

oh let me guess:

blast from the past:

P-51 mustang, F-86 Sabre, F-5 tiger II, F-86p crusader....:)

mali pala....

t-41 Mescalero, SF-260, S-211, f-5 (from beginner to advance tama?)

kaya siguro sila oorder ng trainer aircraft is to replace the S-211 right?

Where's your real source of information other than youtube video that was made by a fanatic?



In order to fly your dream fighter jets, you will need advanced trainers.

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http://globalnation.inquirer.net/5162/philippine-air-force-to-buy-6-fighter-jets

They evolved into a new breed of species known as "bekis"
kagagawan kasi ng media yan pagsulputan ng mga artistang BEKI's:bash::nuts:

I don't think this planned was already cancelled. I saw last friday on the local news here that during the ambush interview of LTGEN Oscar H. Rabena at Zamboanga City (guest on the 3rd division change of command ceremony). He mention it that the two of Sokol Brand new helicopters will be assigning on this area....:)
Di kaya parang bagong tren yan na UYY sarap lalong targetin..Na masarap gawing target shooting ng mga renegades pag dineploy ito sa mindanao?

yung sokol daw Toilet bowl na may elisi..:nuts::rofl:..daw.. Pareho lang halos ng UH-1H GUNSHIP yan... yan Sokol mukhang toilet bowl na helicopter. imbes na masindak ka matatawa ka sa hitsura.

grabe naman kaokray nun nag comments sa y>T Flying Inidoro daw??? At least meron diba...mas deadly nga kahit mukhang toilet bowl pa yan..

Main weapons Yellow yucky waste at deadly methane fart gasses JOKE HAHAHAHHAA!

yan ba ang mukhang inidoro??Pinagkumpara pa sa UH1H e mas maganda naman ang performance nito sa ere..
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with all there AFP modernization talk bottom line is........................

is our Government able to unanimously agree to abolish Pork Barrel?...

Question:

Tuloy po yung plano ng Philippine Navy na bibili ng tatlong LPDs from Indonesia?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2lGcLrWp87U/ThPR4CbhMAI/AAAAAAAAAYE/ESFMCSpJ2gw/s1600/kapal%2Bperang%2Barcaforum.blogspot.com.jpg

If then, these LPDs would be the most modern and newest vessels. And cheaper than US hand me downs. Am I right?

If this will pursue, it would be better if we buy marine vessels from our neighbor in future military armaments. Not only it is cheaper but it will also increase and strengthen our ASEAN ties with them... :cheers:

Having 2 helicopters is better than having only 1 helicopter. Let's say Mr. Taxpayer needs a helicopter rescue in the North while at the same time Mrs. Taxpayer also needs the same help in the South. Do you think a single brand new helicopter can do the 2 jobs alone? The Philippine government has been using 2nd hand refurbished helicopters for decades now so why complain only now?


Because the 2 refurbished birds were sold as brand new. If the price of a brand new bird is, for example 1M, they paid 2M for the two.

with all there AFP modernization talk bottom line is........................

is our Government able to unanimously agree to abolish Pork Barrel?...

I don't think the senatongs and tongressman will like it. No more funds for their personal bank accounts.

kagagawan kasi ng media yan pagsulputan ng mga artistang BEKI's:bash::nuts:

Anong artistang BEKI's?

Just want to share again my tribute to the AFP... hahaha

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Any idea kailan darating ang Sokol Choppers?

it is not yet confirmed if we are getting this one...one strong contender for an interim fighter-trainer is the M-346 from the makers of the S-211.

http://cavok.com.br/blog/wp-contents/uploads/2010/04/M346_Master_AEJTP.jpg

I hope they get the M346 it is definetely the most advanced trainer out there, it can mimick the flight characteristics of any modern fighter and can be used as a light fighter/attack aircraft aswell .

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Instead of the Sokol i think they should have procured the Mil Mi17 or at least do so in the future .

Thailand and Indonesia now use them and of course other asean countries too like Vietnam etc, id always prefer western alliance design rather than legacy soviet one's but the equivament western helicopter would be so much more expensive and complicated to maintain, in this case it's really just a transport helicopter so it's ok, just have to stock up on spare parts and in any case it's a widely used design and could provide a cheap way of getting a heavier lift helicopter capability which is lacking .

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Indonesia receives six MI 17 helicopters from Russia

JAKARTA, Aug. 26 (Xinhua) -- The Indonesian military has received six more Russian made helicopters MI 17, expecting another six more. This would make it operate a total of 18 of the multipurpose helicopters, a minister said here on Friday.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90777/7581200.html

Anong artistang BEKI's?

Just want to share again my tribute to the AFP... hahaha

wS6rvRuk-t4

Any idea kailan darating ang Sokol Choppers?

November this year...first 4 of 8 sokols..:)

yan ba ang mukhang inidoro??Pinagkumpara pa sa UH1H e mas maganda naman ang performance nito sa ere..
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two engine ang Sokol, kaya ok ang kanyang lifting capability..di hamak na mas maganda ang performance kaysa Huey..

Anong artistang BEKI's?

Mga bakla...Beki nation..:lol::nuts:

November this year...first 4 of 8 sokols..:)

Oh ok... 3 months nalang...

I heard that the AFP will acquire a total 15 (of some sort) choppers... Anong po units naman ng iba?

Mga bakla...Beki nation..:lol::nuts:

ahh ok :lol:

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Ito po ba yung inorder ng pinas na type na LPD?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_80_yaznP3lM/TM_FErIqWvI/AAAAAAAAAgM/CQa-BOCejXQ/s1600/LPD_PAL.jpg

I saw from another forum that this is already the actual LPD for the Philippines... Ang laki ah

http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m335/filipinas40/PTPAL.jpg

Can anyone confirm it? Will this replace the BRP Gregorio del Pilar as a flagship? I read that it will be here before the year ends...

Masastig tingnan Naval Fleet "armada" :lol: natin... 3 LPDs, 2 Cutters (Intention to acquire another one) and the other smaller vessels the Philippine has.. If ma cocomplete nito ni PNoy before half of his term ends. Then Believe na ako sa kanya hahah..

Oh ok... 3 months nalang...

I heard that the AFP will acquire a total 15 (of some sort) choppers... Anong po units naman ng iba?



ahh ok :lol:

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Ito po ba yung inorder ng pinas na type na LPD?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_80_yaznP3lM/TM_FErIqWvI/AAAAAAAAAgM/CQa-BOCejXQ/s1600/LPD_PAL.jpg

I saw from another forum that this is already the actual LPD for the Philippines... Ang laki ah

http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m335/filipinas40/PTPAL.jpg

Can anyone confirm it? Will this replace the BRP Gregorio del Pilar as a flagship? I read that it will be here before the year ends...

Masastig tingnan Naval Fleet "armada" :lol: natin... 3 LPDs, 2 Cutters (Intention to acquire another one) and the other smaller vessels the Philippine has.. If ma cocomplete nito ni PNoy before half of his term ends. Then Believe na ako sa kanya hahah..

yung helicopter 8 lang..CUH (combat utility Heli..), mayroon pa sanang attack helicopter acquisition kaya lang pinagliban muna.

Yung LPD iba kasi ang function kaysa sa cutter (WHEC) kagaya ng Hamilton..LPD (landing Platform Docks) ay malalaki, designed to transport troops in a warzone by the sea. May cargo na kayang magdala ng mga amphibious vehicles. Meron ding Helicopter deck ito.

At yung del Pilar (PF 15) ay frigate type na vessel, mas mabilis ito.:)

an LPD/MRV is not a surface-combatant, so why would it replace a frigate-type vessel like the BRP del Pilar as PN flagship?

it's just like asking why BRP Dagupan (Besson-class LST) should become the flagship just because it looks bigger than the BRP Rajah Humabon

an LPD/MRV is not a surface-combatant, so why would it replace a frigate-type vessel like the BRP del Pilar as PN flagship?

it's just like asking why BRP Dagupan (Besson-class LST) should become the flagship just because it looks bigger than the BRP Rajah Humabon

that's correct man..:okay:

http://cavok.com.br/blog/wp-contents/uploads/2010/04/M346_Master_AEJTP.jpg



This looks really nice. It is a good start before our country purchases the big ones!

an LPD/MRV is not a surface-combatant, so why would it replace a frigate-type vessel like the BRP del Pilar as PN flagship?

it's just like asking why BRP Dagupan (Besson-class LST) should become the flagship just because it looks bigger than the BRP Rajah Humabon

A flagship was simply the ship in which a flag officer commanded an entire fleet and often it was onboard the largest vessel which could accomodate staff, today LPD's and carriers often serve as a "flagship" of a fleet of ships since they tend to have all the necessary facilities to command the "fleet", in this case tho the Hamilton class has sufficient facilities and was indeed designed for and played such a role .

http://www.meretmarine.com/objets/500/24461.jpg

This is one of the US navies flagships of the "blue ridge class" it isn't particularly well armed or the largest vessel in their fleets but it has some of the most sophisticated and complete command and control communications and intel facilities afloat making it ideal for the job .

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This looks really nice. It is a good start before our country purchases the big ones!

Yeah it looks nice and it's capabilities are quite good too, it is actually one of two variants because it started out as a joint venture between Italy and Russia the end result was the much better M346 version by Italy but the Russian one upon which it is based is called the YAK-130 ( below )

http://fr.rian.ru/images/18590/02/185900297.jpg

http://warfare.ru/0702ey70/update/september2010/2/yak130maks.jpg

Here you can see the weapons load on a yak-130

The Aermacchi m-346 cost about 20 million $/unit the Yak-30 cost 15 million $ but for 5 million difference id say get the m346 with it's more advanced systems and capabilities, + the older or current trainers are from Aermacchi so they are already known as a supplier and probably will have fewer surprises and have a better service when it comes to spare parts and other issues .

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http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/chamsuriclass/chamsuriclass1.html
PKM-chamsuri class (tomas batillo class in PN)
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/chamsuriclass/images/1-chamsuri-class.jpg
from chamsuri to Gumdoksuri Class patrol vessels.
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/chamsuriclass/images/3-chamsuri-class.jpg
Ito dapat ang armahan sa mga PKM o di kaya ke goyo
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/chamsuriclass/images/4-chamsuri-class.jpg

hehehe pustahan tayo ang ilalagay na armas kay goyo ay mga 2nd world war na mga kanyon at mga 2nd world war na machine gun,alam naman natin ang pag uupgrade ng philippine arm forces ay puro luma gaya ng ginaw nila sa mga tomas batilyo na inalis nila ang mga semi modern armaments nito at nilagay nila ang mga lumang kanyon at mga machine gun tapos palalabasin ng mga heneral na upgraded na raw ang mga gamit,magiging katulad yon ng rajah humabon na puro bulok na kanyon ang mga naka lagay.pag labas ni goyo makikita nyo magiging kamukha na sya ng rajah humabon na kala mo susugod sa 2ND WORLD WAR.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Parang alam na alam mo sir ang plano ah. Di kaya ...

hehehe pustahan tayo ang ilalagay na armas kay goyo ay mga 2nd world war na mga kanyon at mga 2nd world war na machine gun,alam naman natin ang pag uupgrade ng philippine arm forces ay puro luma gaya ng ginaw nila sa mga tomas batilyo na inalis nila ang mga semi modern armaments nito at nilagay nila ang mga lumang kanyon at mga machine gun tapos palalabasin ng mga heneral na upgraded na raw ang mga gamit,magiging katulad yon ng rajah humabon na puro bulok na kanyon ang mga naka lagay.pag labas ni goyo makikita nyo magiging kamukha na sya ng rajah humabon na kala mo susugod sa 2ND WORLD WAR.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Malakas naman daw yung mga Bofors 40mm at .50 Calibers :lol:

kala ko ba tuwad na daan na...:lol:

Malakas naman daw yung mga Bofors 40mm at .50 Calibers :lol:

paano kung mga fast flying aircraft at mga naglalakihang barko..baka di pa kaya mag palubog ng mga kagaya ng KRI class.:nuts:

hehehe pustahan tayo ang ilalagay na armas kay goyo ay mga 2nd world war na mga kanyon at mga 2nd world war na machine gun,alam naman natin ang pag uupgrade ng philippine arm forces ay puro luma gaya ng ginaw nila sa mga tomas batilyo na inalis nila ang mga semi modern armaments nito at nilagay nila ang mga lumang kanyon at mga machine gun tapos palalabasin ng mga heneral na upgraded na raw ang mga gamit,magiging katulad yon ng rajah humabon na puro bulok na kanyon ang mga naka lagay.pag labas ni goyo makikita nyo magiging kamukha na sya ng rajah humabon na kala mo susugod sa 2ND WORLD WAR.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
di naman lahat ng batillo ay ganun meron parin emerlec twin gun

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29421855@N07/5963203461/
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http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6143/5963936999_eca346d563_t.jpg

http://mb.com.ph/articles/333071/more-whec-vessels-military
More WHEC vessels for military
By ELENA L. ABEN
September 3, 2011, 6:36pm
MANILA, Philippines — Armed Forces Chief of Staff Gen. Eduardo SL Oban Jr. said Saturday that the military expects to acquire another weather high-endurance cutter (WHEC) vessel, like the modern Hamilton-class BRP Gregorio Del Pilar early next year, as he emphasized the military’s capability development is not geared towards any country, but to protect the country’s resources.

In an interview at Camp Aguinaldo, Quezon City, following the retirement ceremony for AFP Inspector General Vice Admiral Mario Catacutan, Oban said the AFP is working on the acquisition of two additional Hamilton class ships, adding that the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) is optimistic it will get the second WHEC vessel for the Navy early next year.

But he admitted a lot of work still needs to be done to ensure that two more Hamilton class vessels of the US Coast Guard (USCG) will go to the AFP.

It will be recalled that the Navy’s first Hamilton ship from the USCG, renamed as BRP Gregorio Del Pilar, and now the largest ship in the Philippine Navy arrived last month with President Aquino leading the welcome ceremony. Also present during the event was US Ambassador Harry K. Thomas Jr.

At the welcome ceremony for the newest member of the Philippine Fleet, the President bared a list of military equipment to be acquired for the fulfillment of the military capabality upgrade and modernization program during his term.
Included in the President’s list of military equipment programmed to be acquired to enhance the capability of the Army, Air Force, and Navy are lead-in jet trainers and “similar weather heavy- endurance cutter.”

http://mb.com.ph/articles/333071/more-whec-vessels-military
More WHEC vessels for military
By ELENA L. ABEN
September 3, 2011, 6:36pm
MANILA, Philippines — Armed Forces Chief of Staff Gen. Eduardo SL Oban Jr. said Saturday that the military expects to acquire another weather high-endurance cutter (WHEC) vessel, like the modern Hamilton-class BRP Gregorio Del Pilar early next year, as he emphasized the military’s capability development is not geared towards any country, but to protect the country’s resources.

In an interview at Camp Aguinaldo, Quezon City, following the retirement ceremony for AFP Inspector General Vice Admiral Mario Catacutan, Oban said the AFP is working on the acquisition of two additional Hamilton class ships, adding that the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) is optimistic it will get the second WHEC vessel for the Navy early next year.

But he admitted a lot of work still needs to be done to ensure that two more Hamilton class vessels of the US Coast Guard (USCG) will go to the AFP.

It will be recalled that the Navy’s first Hamilton ship from the USCG, renamed as BRP Gregorio Del Pilar, and now the largest ship in the Philippine Navy arrived last month with President Aquino leading the welcome ceremony. Also present during the event was US Ambassador Harry K. Thomas Jr.

At the welcome ceremony for the newest member of the Philippine Fleet, the President bared a list of military equipment to be acquired for the fulfillment of the military capabality upgrade and modernization program during his term.
Included in the President’s list of military equipment programmed to be acquired to enhance the capability of the Army, Air Force, and Navy are lead-in jet trainers and “similar weather heavy- endurance cutter.”

pa as if naman na kayang pumalag sa China :nuts: :nuts: :nuts:

– Fri Sep 2, 7:05 am ET
NEW DELHI – Indian officials say a naval vessel on a trip to Vietnam was warned by China that it was allegedly violating Chinese waters.

India's foreign ministry said Thursday the INS Airavat was sailing about 45 nautical miles off the coast of Vietnam on July 22 when a caller identifying himself as the Chinese navy made radio contact and told the Indian vessel: "You are entering Chinese waters."

The foreign ministry said no ship or aircraft were visible and that the Airavat continued its journey.

China has grown more assertive — and at times aggressive — in pressing its claims to much of the South China Sea, aided by a buildup of its navy. Chinese ships have rousted fishing vessels from Vietnam and the Philippines, both of which contest China's claims.

http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110902/ap_on_re_as/as_india_china_ship

Vietnam should invite India to lease a base there while RP invites the US to lease one aswell lol .

Anyway this might all really just be an honest misunderstanding after all Chinese products aren't really known for quality like those Qu'rans that were printed in China that were found to have alot of errors, perhaps the Chinese are simply using flawed "made in China" maps and perhaps asean could simply buy them some high quality maps with the right borders printed ? .

Problem solved :cheers:

http://mb.com.ph/articles/333071/more-whec-vessels-military
More WHEC vessels for military
By ELENA L. ABEN
September 3, 2011, 6:36pm
MANILA, Philippines — Armed Forces Chief of Staff Gen. Eduardo SL Oban Jr. said Saturday that the military expects to acquire another weather high-endurance cutter (WHEC) vessel, like the modern Hamilton-class BRP Gregorio Del Pilar early next year, as he emphasized the military’s capability development is not geared towards any country, but to protect the country’s resources.

In an interview at Camp Aguinaldo, Quezon City, following the retirement ceremony for AFP Inspector General Vice Admiral Mario Catacutan, Oban said the AFP is working on the acquisition of two additional Hamilton class ships, adding that the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) is optimistic it will get the second WHEC vessel for the Navy early next year.

But he admitted a lot of work still needs to be done to ensure that two more Hamilton class vessels of the US Coast Guard (USCG) will go to the AFP.

It will be recalled that the Navy’s first Hamilton ship from the USCG, renamed as BRP Gregorio Del Pilar, and now the largest ship in the Philippine Navy arrived last month with President Aquino leading the welcome ceremony. Also present during the event was US Ambassador Harry K. Thomas Jr.

At the welcome ceremony for the newest member of the Philippine Fleet, the President bared a list of military equipment to be acquired for the fulfillment of the military capabality upgrade and modernization program during his term.
Included in the President’s list of military equipment programmed to be acquired to enhance the capability of the Army, Air Force, and Navy are lead-in jet trainers and “similar weather heavy- endurance cutter.”
what a shame. buying another 2 more second hand warship.


better not to modernize the AFP and put the money on your pocket. the AFP need more than that, think about it. para tayong taponan ng basura. WTF.

Vietnam should invite India to lease a base there while RP invites the US to lease one aswell lol .

Anyway this might all really just be an honest misunderstanding after all Chinese products aren't really known for quality like those Qu'rans that were printed in China that were found to have alot of errors, perhaps the Chinese are simply using flawed "made in China" maps and perhaps asean could simply buy them some high quality maps with the right borders printed ? .

Problem solved :cheers:

Yep right. Like India would want to spend military budget building base on a foreign soil and a commie one at that no matter how buddy-buddy they are.
As for the US, you think they would fall for the same trick twice? NOpe especially not at this time. You had your chance (Philippines), you got greedy and lost it.
Nobody likes being being in abusive, thankless relationship.

what a shame. buying another 2 more second hand warship.


better not to modernize the AFP and put the money on your pocket. the AFP need more than that, think about it. para tayong taponan ng basura. WTF.

First time pa lang tayo magkakaroon ng full-pledged ship na may radar capability....syempre kailangan muna natin ng experience sa mga mas lumang radar capable ships bago tayo tumalon sa super high-tech warships.

actually it's more on the blue seas capability that we are after sa mga lumang WHECs.... na makapag layag ang barko sa sea state 6 and survive sea state 7.....ibig sabihin ay kayanin ang malalakas na alon para makapag patrol dahil kung sa pagiging mas modern may mas modern vessels na tayo pero hindi makatagal sa gitna ng maalon na karagatan.....to continue patrolling our seas.....yun ang rationale bakit kahit luma yan ay kinukuha natin.....let us just hope that they arm it with respectable armaments like missiles.....

First time pa lang tayo magkakaroon ng full-pledged ship na may radar capability....syempre kailangan muna natin ng experience sa mga mas lumang radar capable ships bago tayo tumalon sa super high-tech warships.

i think tinanggal nila yung surface-search radar kasi hindi mo na makikita yung malaking radar dome yung kulay black na umiikot.. so navigational radar nalang at fire-control ng 76mm ang natira, at may experience na tayo dyan (Jacinto-class corvette)

i think tinanggal nila yung surface-search radar kasi hindi mo na makikita yung malaking radar dome yung kulay black na umiikot.. so navigational radar nalang at fire-control ng 76mm ang natira, at may experience na tayo dyan (Jacinto-class corvette)

ibig kong sabihin ay yung platform...meron na tayong barko na mas malaking space para sa radar at other armaments...plus first time pa lang tayo nagkaroon ng barko na may CODAG propulsion at helipad.

^^ At Air-conditioned ... :D

Non aircon ba yung mga luma?

Military sees tensions easing after Aquino’s China visit (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/11537/military-sees-tensions-easing-after-aquino%E2%80%99s-china-visit)


By DJ Yap
Philippine Daily Inquirer
8:40 pm | Saturday, September 3rd, 2011

MANILA, Philippines—The rekindling of the country’s friendly ties with China in the wake of President Aquino’s visit to that country is expected to greatly ease tensions in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea), the Armed Forces of the Philippines said.

AFP Chief of Staff Eduardo Oban Jr. said Aquino’s meetings with top Chinese leaders would likely translate to less intrusions by the Chinese into the country’s waters or airspace, particularly within the vicinity of the disputed Spratly islands.

“Probably, the effect of such cordial relations at a policy level will go down the line; that is, it will reach downward and lead to a peaceful resolution of any conflict or disputes in the West Philippine Sea,” he said in an interview Friday night.

“That would be probably translated into such an eventuality,” Oban said in reply to a question on whether he expected fewer run-ins with Chinese vessels or jet fighters over Philippine-claimed territories.

But he stressed that the Philippines would continue its modernization and capability-building efforts.

“For us in the Armed Forces, as I always say, our capability development is not geared toward any country. We just have to protect our resources,” Oban told reporters.

He cited ongoing programs for the procurement of two more Hamilton-class cutters for the Navy and six jet fighters for the Air Force.

The Philippines recently acquired the BRP Gregorio Del Pilar, a 378-foot Hamilton-class cutter from the United States Coast Guard, which the Navy will use to patrol the country’s waters in the West Philippine Sea.

“Yes, it’s in the program. But there will be a lot of work to do still. We still have to find out if there are still equipment available,” he said of plans to acquire two more Hamilton-class vessels, the first of which, he added, might occur “early next year.”

On the planned purchase of jet fighters, Oban said the Air Force is coming up with the technical specifications, which it should finalize soon.

He said the AFP would remain vigilant in patrolling and protecting the country’s claims in the West Philippine Sea, particularly those within its exclusive economic zone.

The Spratly group of islands, a reputedly oil-rich chain of tiny islands and reefs, is located near Palawan. The chain is claimed wholly or in part by the Philippines, China, Malaysia, Brunei, Vietnam and Taiwan.

In 2002, countries with claims to the Spratly islands signed the Declaration of Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea, which was to serve as a non-binding guideline on how to tackle the disputes.

In early 2011, the AFP reported instances of Chinese intrusions, including two Chinese vessels that allegedly harassed a Philippine exploration ship at Reed Bank in March, prompting the Philippines to send planes and some of its coast guard ships to the area.

This was followed by a string of other incidents over the next few months that drew protest from the Philippines. China then issued strong words warning the Philippines about its statements.

Dapat nung panahon ni ramos nag acquire ang PAF ng F4 phantom..pangalawa sa madaming naproduce na planes.pinakamarami yung F86 sabre
Mkz30o8BYXY
Hanggang ngayon turkey,iran,greece gumagamit pa nyan kahit sokor

Feared Ampatuan clan outgunned Philippine military—WikiLeaks
inquirer.net (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/11617/feared-ampatuan-clan-outgunned-philippine-military%E2%80%94wikileaks)


MANILA, Philippines—The 2,000-strong private army of a powerful clan suspected of carrying out the Philippines’ worst political massacre was better armed than the military and police, leaked US embassy cables showed.
The cables from late 2009, released by anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks, described the reach of the feared Ampatuan clan in the southern region of Mindanao and said it had authorities on the run.
Key members of the clan and its private army are now being tried for the murder of 57 people in Mindanao in 2009 but many of the accused are still at large, making witnesses reluctant to come forward.
“We estimate that the Ampatuan clan maintains a private army of up to 2,000 men – who are often better armed and equipped than their (police) and (military) counterparts,” an embassy cable said.
“Government officials were astonished by the size of the arms caches and the power of the weaponry” that was later recovered from the Ampatuans, another cable said.
However, the files also said the government had turned a “blind eye” to such private armies because they helped in the fight against Muslim insurgents.
“They are often politically allied with the President,” one cable added, referring to then-president Gloria Arroyo.
The Ampatuans were allies of Arroyo but she disowned them after they were linked to the murder of 57 political rivals, lawyers and journalists in a bid to prevent a rival from challenging them in elections in 2010.
The embassy also noted that Arroyo had to impose martial law in the affected area in order to arrest the suspects, disarm the Ampatuans and restore order.
“There are many areas in the Philippines… where armed groups have proliferated and the national authorities have a very limited capability to impose order,” the secret documents warned.
Although many key members of the Ampatuan clan have been arrested, victims’ relatives have expressed concern that, in the Philippines’ notoriously overburdened justice system, the trial could take years to complete.

Feared Ampatuan clan outgunned Philippine military—WikiLeaks
inquirer.net (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/11617/feared-ampatuan-clan-outgunned-philippine-military%E2%80%94wikileaks)


MANILA, Philippines—The 2,000-strong private army of a powerful clan suspected of carrying out the Philippines’ worst political massacre was better armed than the military and police, leaked US embassy cables showed.
The cables from late 2009, released by anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks, described the reach of the feared Ampatuan clan in the southern region of Mindanao and said it had authorities on the run.
Key members of the clan and its private army are now being tried for the murder of 57 people in Mindanao in 2009 but many of the accused are still at large, making witnesses reluctant to come forward.
“We estimate that the Ampatuan clan maintains a private army of up to 2,000 men – who are often better armed and equipped than their (police) and (military) counterparts,” an embassy cable said.
“Government officials were astonished by the size of the arms caches and the power of the weaponry” that was later recovered from the Ampatuans, another cable said.
However, the files also said the government had turned a “blind eye” to such private armies because they helped in the fight against Muslim insurgents.
“They are often politically allied with the President,” one cable added, referring to then-president Gloria Arroyo.
The Ampatuans were allies of Arroyo but she disowned them after they were linked to the murder of 57 political rivals, lawyers and journalists in a bid to prevent a rival from challenging them in elections in 2010.
The embassy also noted that Arroyo had to impose martial law in the affected area in order to arrest the suspects, disarm the Ampatuans and restore order.
“There are many areas in the Philippines… where armed groups have proliferated and the national authorities have a very limited capability to impose order,” the secret documents warned.
Although many key members of the Ampatuan clan have been arrested, victims’ relatives have expressed concern that, in the Philippines’ notoriously overburdened justice system, the trial could take years to complete.

nako.. yun lng.. di dapat malaman ng ampatuan to... lalakas ang loob ng mga yon...

pero ang masakit nyan.... yung katotohanan....:ohno:

ang tanong: na disarm na ba ang mga goons na yan? oh baka lumipat lang sa kabila? (Mangudadatu also has his own private army)

ang tanong: na disarm na ba ang mga goons na yan? oh baka lumipat lang sa kabila? (Mangudadatu also has his own private army)

Kung totoo yan, tulad pa rin nung dati! Kelan kaya mabuwag ang mga private armies?

an LPD/MRV is not a surface-combatant, so why would it replace a frigate-type vessel like the BRP del Pilar as PN flagship?

it's just like asking why BRP Dagupan (Besson-class LST) should become the flagship just because it looks bigger than the BRP Rajah Humabon

By Definition, a Flagship should be:

- the ship that carries the commander of a fleet or subdivision of a fleet and flies the commander's flag. (source ('http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/flagship'))

I asked that question because PAL's LPD isn't just only bigger than the BRP del Pilar, it is more than the size, but it is newer, able to accommodate more advanced equipment and does not look like a patrol ship :lol:. An opportunity for it to become a "floating" Base Command. Most flagships now a days are aircraft/helicopter carriers. Just like:

US, one of its flagships:

http://www.meretmarine.com/objets/500/24461.jpg

UK, flagships:

http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/hms_illustrious.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/03/uk_sailing_into_a_new_era/img/1.jpg

Thai

http://endragu.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/thai9.jpg?w=500&h=412&h=412

A flagship was simply the ship in which a flag officer commanded an entire fleet and often it was onboard the largest vessel which could accomodate staff, today LPD's and carriers often serve as a "flagship" of a fleet of ships since they tend to have all the necessary facilities to command the "fleet", in this case tho the Hamilton class has sufficient facilities and was indeed designed for and played such a role .

... sophisticated and complete command and control communications and intel facilities afloat making it ideal for the job ...



And why would someone use the LSTs as a flagship, it doesn't even look like a warship, more like a cargo ship :lol:. (It is just more than the size) :)

Dagdagan mo lang ng advanced radars, 4 aircrafts consisting of attack helicopters and VTOL jet fighters, defense based weaponry systems and escorted with 2 or more patrol ships and interceptors.. Now that would be a kick ass :lol: :nuts:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2lGcLrWp87U/ThPR4CbhMAI/AAAAAAAAAYE/ESFMCSpJ2gw/s1600/kapal%2Bperang%2Barcaforum.blogspot.com.jpg
(BRP Luzon, BRP Visayas & BRP Mindanao) :cheers:

:cheers:

By Definition, a Flagship should be:

- the ship that carries the commander of a fleet or subdivision of a fleet and flies the commander's flag. (source ('http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/flagship'))

I asked that question because PAL's LPD isn't just only bigger than the BRP del Pilar, it is more than the size, but it is newer, able to accommodate more advanced equipment and does not look like a patrol ship :lol:. An opportunity for it to become a "floating" Base Command. Most flagships now a days are aircraft/helicopter carriers. Just like:

US, one of its flagships:

http://www.meretmarine.com/objets/500/24461.jpg

UK, flagships:

http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/hms_illustrious.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/03/uk_sailing_into_a_new_era/img/1.jpg

Thai

http://endragu.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/thai9.jpg?w=500&h=412&h=412



And why would someone use the LSTs as a flagship, it doesn't even look like a warship, more like a cargo ship :lol:. (It is just more than the size) :)

Dagdagan mo lang ng advanced radars, 4 aircrafts consisting of attack helicopters and VTOL jet fighters, defense based weaponry systems and escorted with 2 or more patrol ships and interceptors.. Now that would be a kick ass :lol: :nuts:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2lGcLrWp87U/ThPR4CbhMAI/AAAAAAAAAYE/ESFMCSpJ2gw/s1600/kapal%2Bperang%2Barcaforum.blogspot.com.jpg
(BRP Luzon, BRP Visayas & BRP Mindanao) :cheers:

:cheers:

yeah....i like that.....luz vi minda....for the 3 lpd...

And why would someone use the LSTs as a flagship, it doesn't even look like a warship, more like a cargo ship . (It is just more than the size)

Well i wrote :

in this case tho the Hamilton class has sufficient facilities and was indeed designed for and played such a role .

The AFP should build motorize bangka for their modernization program. yan nalang gawin nyo para maka tipid kayo at yon ibang pera ibolsa nyo na. wag na bumili ng warship dahil second hand na naman ang bibilihin nyo. pagawa nalang kayo ng motorize bangka tapos pag hati hatian nyo nalang yon sobra na pera. ok ba yon.

puso mo.....:lol:

puso mo.....:lol:

Lol. pwedi na siguro to:
http://www.salmoboats.com/foto/bangka.jpg

lagyan nalang nila ng robin na 6.5 Hp na makina. pwedi yan i-assign sa West Philippines.


mas ok yata to:
http://tl.inter-pix.com/db/art/museums/museum_international_toys/m-434050.jpg

credit: goes to the owner of the picture.

Well i wrote :

I was actually referring to this one. The BRP Dagupan/Bacolod (LSTs) :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/US_Navy_090421-N-0120A-035_The_Armed_Forces_of_the_Philippines_Navy_logistics_support_vessel_BRP_Dagupan_City_%28LC_551%29_maneuvers_into_position_in_a_formation_exercise.jpg/800px-US_Navy_090421-N-0120A-035_The_Armed_Forces_of_the_Philippines_Navy_logistics_support_vessel_BRP_Dagupan_City_%28LC_551%29_maneuvers_into_position_in_a_formation_exercise.jpg

Well i wrote :

The AFP should build motorize bangka for their modernization program. yan nalang gawin nyo para maka tipid kayo at yon ibang pera ibolsa nyo na. wag na bumili ng warship dahil second hand na naman ang bibilihin nyo. pagawa nalang kayo ng motorize bangka tapos pag hati hatian nyo nalang yon sobra na pera. ok ba yon.

Well i wrote :

puso mo.....:lol:

Well i wrote :

Lol. pwedi na siguro to:
http://www.salmoboats.com/foto/bangka.jpg

lagyan nalang nila ng robin na 6.5 Hp na makina. pwedi yan i-assign sa West Philippines.


mas ok yata to:
http://tl.inter-pix.com/db/art/museums/museum_international_toys/m-434050.jpg

credit: goes to the owner of the picture.

Searched the net

Meron na pala

ahaha

http://philippinenavy.tripod.com/navy3_files/banca.jpg

The Philippine Navy operates motor-powered native outriggers(see picture) to transport ground troops as a cost-saving measure and for unconventional warfare operations. They are similar to the ones used by other Pacific islanders in Hawaii & Tahiti. The number of outriggers operated is unknown, but in one operation in mid-1995, Philippine Constabulary troopers from Jagna (Bohol island, Central Philippines) used thirty(30) motor-powered outriggers to search for illegal fishermen.

SOURCE ('http://philippinenavy.tripod.com/navy3.html')

The Philippine Navy can settle to mosquito fleet. Given the archipelagic nature in the said country, they can pull an ambush when needed.

Nahuli na rin ang mascot ng Malacanang (at ng AFP):lol:

http://s2.postimage.org/492rt509i/GIANTCROC.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

MANILA, Philippines (AP) — Villagers and veteran hunters have captured a one-ton saltwater crocodile which they plan to make the star of a planned ecotourism park in a southern Philippine town, an official said Monday.
Mayor Edwin Cox Elorde said dozens of villagers and experts ensnared the 21-foot (6.4-meter) male crocodile along a creek in Bunawan township in Agusan del Sur province after a three-week hunt. It could be one of the largest crocodiles to be captured alive in recent years, he said, quoting local crocodile experts.
Elorde said the crocodile killed a water buffalo in an attack witnessed by villagers last month and was also suspected of having attacked a fisherman who went missing in July.
He said he sought the help of experts at a crocodile farm in western Palawan province.
"We were nervous but it's our duty to deal with a threat to the villagers," Elorde told The Associated Press by telephone. "When I finally stood before it, I couldn't believe my eyes."
After initial sightings at a creek, the hunters set four traps, which the crocodile destroyed. They then used sturdier traps using steel cables, one of which finally caught the enormous reptile late Saturday, he said.
About 100 people had to pull the crocodile, which weighs about 2,370 pounds (1,075 kilograms), from the creek to a clearing where a crane lifted it into a truck, he said.
The crocodile was placed in a fenced cage in an area where the town plans to build an ecotourism park for species found in a vast marshland in Agusan, an impoverished region about 515 miles (830 kilometers) southeast of Manila, Elorde said.
"It will be the biggest star of the park," Elorde said, adding that villagers were happy that they would be able to turn the dangerous crocodile "from a threat into an asset."
Despite the catch, villagers remain wary because several crocodiles still roam the outskirts of the farming town of about 37,000 people.
They have been told to avoid venturing into marshy areas alone at night, Elorde said

Nahuli na rin ang mascot ng Malacanang (at ng AFP):lol:

http://s2.postimage.org/492rt509i/GIANTCROC.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

MANILA, Philippines (AP) — Villagers and veteran hunters have captured a one-ton saltwater crocodile which they plan to make the star of a planned ecotourism park in a southern Philippine town, an official said Monday.
Mayor Edwin Cox Elorde said dozens of villagers and experts ensnared the 21-foot (6.4-meter) male crocodile along a creek in Bunawan township in Agusan del Sur province after a three-week hunt. It could be one of the largest crocodiles to be captured alive in recent years, he said, quoting local crocodile experts.
Elorde said the crocodile killed a water buffalo in an attack witnessed by villagers last month and was also suspected of having attacked a fisherman who went missing in July.
He said he sought the help of experts at a crocodile farm in western Palawan province.
"We were nervous but it's our duty to deal with a threat to the villagers," Elorde told The Associated Press by telephone. "When I finally stood before it, I couldn't believe my eyes."
After initial sightings at a creek, the hunters set four traps, which the crocodile destroyed. They then used sturdier traps using steel cables, one of which finally caught the enormous reptile late Saturday, he said.
About 100 people had to pull the crocodile, which weighs about 2,370 pounds (1,075 kilograms), from the creek to a clearing where a crane lifted it into a truck, he said.
The crocodile was placed in a fenced cage in an area where the town plans to build an ecotourism park for species found in a vast marshland in Agusan, an impoverished region about 515 miles (830 kilometers) southeast of Manila, Elorde said.
"It will be the biggest star of the park," Elorde said, adding that villagers were happy that they would be able to turn the dangerous crocodile "from a threat into an asset."
Despite the catch, villagers remain wary because several crocodiles still roam the outskirts of the farming town of about 37,000 people.
They have been told to avoid venturing into marshy areas alone at night, Elorde said

daming sapatos nyan.

I was actually referring to this one. The BRP Dagupan/Bacolod (LSTs)

The LST of that class's superstructure is basically too small and ill equipped to perform the role of "flag ship" since it doesn't have alot of the necessary equipment or space for it, unless the cargo bay is modified for that purpose i suppose .

Using modified container units .

----

The Philippine Navy can settle to mosquito fleet. Given the archipelagic nature in the said country, they can pull an ambush when needed.

Not a good idea since this strategy would entail allowing a potential enemy or threat to actually get whitin range of urban areas by which time any action would be pointless since countless civilians and infrastructure would already been destroyed, + alot of damage can be done to the country without an adversary getting that close to shore or internal waters such as an embargo or blockade .

A maritime country requires a navy that can protect not just it's coastlines but also vital sea lanes .

Dapat nung panahon ni ramos nag acquire ang PAF ng F4 phantom..pangalawa sa madaming naproduce na planes.pinakamarami yung F86 sabre
Mkz30o8BYXY
Hanggang ngayon turkey,iran,greece gumagamit pa nyan kahit sokor

At Japan.

Ang problema lang sa unang versions ng Phantom at puro missiles lang ang karga nito, walang baril.

Kaya maraming Phantom ang na shut-down ng mga kalaban na fighter planes noong Vietnam war. Isa pa, hindi trained sa dog fighting ang mga dating USAF pilots sa time na yun.

Hanggang ngayon turkey,iran,greece gumagamit pa nyan kahit sokor

At Japan.

Only for a few more years all these planes are being phased out or are planned to be phased out in the coming years .

Anyway it is probably a good thing that the PAF has basically whitered away into almost non existence, this means that when procurement of new aircrafts finally get going the PAF can have a clean slate unburdened by legacy aircraft from the start, and "hopefully" be able to plan a more homogenic and rational fleet of aircraft types compared to some countries which have have up to half a dozen types of fighter craft and trainers which makes maintenance more complicated .

For me it should be something like :

Super Tucano = prop trainer/coin = 40 ( 20 in clark/Luzon, 10 cebu, 10 mindanao )
Aermacchi M346 = jet advanced trainer/coin/light fighter = 20 ( 12 clark/Luzon, 4 Cebu, 4 Mindanao )
SAAB Gripen = multirole fighter = 24 ( 12 clark/Luzon, 3 Palawan, 3 Cebu, 6 Mindanao )
SU27/30 = Heavy AA fighter interceptor = 12 ( 6 Clark/Luzon, 3 Palawan, 3 Mindanao )

This is like a respectable minimum for the air force and probably attainable numbers, but ideally the paf should have about 2 to 3 times these numbers .

Feared Ampatuan clan outgunned Philippine military—WikiLeaks
inquirer.net (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/11617/feared-ampatuan-clan-outgunned-philippine-military%E2%80%94wikileaks)


MANILA, Philippines—The 2,000-strong private army of a powerful clan suspected of carrying out the Philippines’ worst political massacre was better armed than the military and police, leaked US embassy cables showed.
The cables from late 2009, released by anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks, described the reach of the feared Ampatuan clan in the southern region of Mindanao and said it had authorities on the run.
Key members of the clan and its private army are now being tried for the murder of 57 people in Mindanao in 2009 but many of the accused are still at large, making witnesses reluctant to come forward.
“We estimate that the Ampatuan clan maintains a private army of up to 2,000 men – who are often better armed and equipped than their (police) and (military) counterparts,” an embassy cable said.
“Government officials were astonished by the size of the arms caches and the power of the weaponry” that was later recovered from the Ampatuans, another cable said.
However, the files also said the government had turned a “blind eye” to such private armies because they helped in the fight against Muslim insurgents.
“They are often politically allied with the President,” one cable added, referring to then-president Gloria Arroyo.
The Ampatuans were allies of Arroyo but she disowned them after they were linked to the murder of 57 political rivals, lawyers and journalists in a bid to prevent a rival from challenging them in elections in 2010.
The embassy also noted that Arroyo had to impose martial law in the affected area in order to arrest the suspects, disarm the Ampatuans and restore order.
“There are many areas in the Philippines… where armed groups have proliferated and the national authorities have a very limited capability to impose order,” the secret documents warned.
Although many key members of the Ampatuan clan have been arrested, victims’ relatives have expressed concern that, in the Philippines’ notoriously overburdened justice system, the trial could take years to complete.



^^
:ohno: threatening..

Only for a few more years all these planes are being phased out or are planned to be phased out in the coming years .

Anyway it is probably a good thing that the PAF has basically whitered away into almost non existence, this means that when procurement of new aircrafts finally get going the PAF can have a clean slate unburdened by legacy aircraft from the start, and "hopefully" be able to plan a more homogenic and rational fleet of aircraft types compared to some countries which have have up to half a dozen types of fighter craft and trainers which makes maintenance more complicated .

For me it should be something like :

Super Tucano = prop trainer/coin = 40 ( 20 in clark/Luzon, 10 cebu, 10 mindanao )
Aermacchi M346 = jet advanced trainer/coin/light fighter = 20 ( 12 clark/Luzon, 4 Cebu, 4 Mindanao )
SAAB Gripen = multirole fighter = 24 ( 12 clark/Luzon, 3 Palawan, 3 Cebu, 6 Mindanao )
SU27/30 = Heavy AA fighter interceptor = 12 ( 6 Clark/Luzon, 3 Palawan, 3 Mindanao )

This is like a respectable minimum for the air force and probably attainable numbers, but ideally the paf should have about 2 to 3 times these numbers .
^^
:applause: :cheers::cheers:

P4.95 B released to beef up armed forces
By Ronnel W. Domingo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
1:28 pm | Wednesday, September 7th, 2011

MANILA, Philippines—Budget Secretary Florencio B. Abad said Wednesday Malacañang has released P4.95 billion to shore up the Armed Forces of the Philippines’ (AFP) capability to defend the country’s territory, including existing and potential petroleum producing areas in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).
Abad said P2.65 billion is for the purchase of another cutter and three helicopters for the Philippine Navy while P2.3 billion will buy another set of three helicopters for the Philippine Air Force.
“The P4.95 billion will fund necessary:) capability requirements of AFP in its territorial defense operations, including providing a strong security perimeter for the Malampaya natural gas and power project,” he said in a press statement.
The fund release follows the disbursement last April of P423 million for the purchase from the US Coast Guard of the cutter Hamilton, now the navy’s biggest vessel.
Renamed BRP Gregorio del Pilar, the decades-old warship is intended to be used for patrolling the waters around the Malampaya field and facilities as well as other service contract areas of the Department of Energy, particularly the Reed Bank, Kalayaan Island group, and Mapun in the Sulu Sea.
Malacañang has said the commissioning of BRP Gregorio del Pilar last month was part of efforts to strengthen the AFP amid tensions in the West Philippine Sea where China has allegedly encroached on Philippine territory.

P4.95 B released to beef up armed forces
By Ronnel W. Domingo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
1:28 pm | Wednesday, September 7th, 2011

MANILA, Philippines—Budget Secretary Florencio B. Abad said Wednesday Malacañang has released P4.95 billion to shore up the Armed Forces of the Philippines’ (AFP) capability to defend the country’s territory, including existing and potential petroleum producing areas in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).
Abad said P2.65 billion is for the purchase of another cutter and three helicopters for the Philippine Navy while P2.3 billion will buy another set of three helicopters for the Philippine Air Force.
“The P4.95 billion will fund necessary:) capability requirements of AFP in its territorial defense operations, including providing a strong security perimeter for the Malampaya natural gas and power project,” he said in a press statement.
The fund release follows the disbursement last April of P423 million for the purchase from the US Coast Guard of the cutter Hamilton, now the navy’s biggest vessel.
Renamed BRP Gregorio del Pilar, the decades-old warship is intended to be used for patrolling the waters around the Malampaya field and facilities as well as other service contract areas of the Department of Energy, particularly the Reed Bank, Kalayaan Island group, and Mapun in the Sulu Sea.
Malacañang has said the commissioning of BRP Gregorio del Pilar last month was part of efforts to strengthen the AFP amid tensions in the West Philippine Sea where China has allegedly encroached on Philippine territory.

^^
If there is one thing admirable about PNoy, that is his resolve to really modernize the AFP. :okay:

+1

Let us give back the AFP's dignity and pride by providing them the necessary tools and weapons for protecting our country. Without a doubt these soldiers are ready to give up their lives for our country.

P4.95 B released to beef up armed forces
By Ronnel W. Domingo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
1:28 pm | Wednesday, September 7th, 2011

MANILA, Philippines—Budget Secretary Florencio B. Abad said Wednesday Malacañang has released P4.95 billion to shore up the Armed Forces of the Philippines’ (AFP) capability to defend the country’s territory, including existing and potential petroleum producing areas in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).
Abad said P2.65 billion is for the purchase of another cutter and three helicopters for the Philippine Navy while P2.3 billion will buy another set of three helicopters for the Philippine Air Force.
“The P4.95 billion will fund necessary:) capability requirements of AFP in its territorial defense operations, including providing a strong security perimeter for the Malampaya natural gas and power project,” he said in a press statement.
The fund release follows the disbursement last April of P423 million for the purchase from the US Coast Guard of the cutter Hamilton, now the navy’s biggest vessel.
Renamed BRP Gregorio del Pilar, the decades-old warship is intended to be used for patrolling the waters around the Malampaya field and facilities as well as other service contract areas of the Department of Energy, particularly the Reed Bank, Kalayaan Island group, and Mapun in the Sulu Sea.
Malacañang has said the commissioning of BRP Gregorio del Pilar last month was part of efforts to strengthen the AFP amid tensions in the West Philippine Sea where China has allegedly encroached on Philippine territory.

P2.65billion for only 1 ex-Hamilton cutter is too much, considering that we only spent P450million for the BRP Del Pilar.. i think these numbers are all mixed-up

Aquino directs fund for cutter sea vessel, helicopters

President Benigno "Noynoy" Aquino III has directed the release of a P4.95-billion fund to further beef up the country's defense, a Cabinet official said Wednesday.

“The P4.95 billion will fund necessary capability requirements of Armed Forces of the Philippines in its territorial defense operations, including providing a strong security perimeter for the Malampaya Natural Gas and Power Project (MNGPP),” Budget and Management Secretary Florencio Abad said in a statement.

The huge fund was ordered released just months after the government spent P423 million to acquire a U.S. Coast Guard Cutter Hamilton to secure MNGPP and the disputed parts of the West Philippine Sea.

Abad said that of the P4.95 billion, P2.65 billion will be used to purchase a high-endurance cutter sea vessel and three helicopters for the Philippine Navy; and for base support and logistics system and coast watch requirements.

The Philippine Air Force will also be using P2.30 billion to get three helicopters and to develop a base-hangar, he added.

Abad said the fund will be charged against the Special Account in the General Fund (Fund 151) being maintained by the Department of Energy for Malampaya Revenues.

“We are ensuring that each and every peso spent by the AFP will directly result in better equipment and other operational support for our men-and-women in uniform,” Abad said.

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/-aquino-orders-purchase-of-more-cutter-sea-vessel--helicopters.html

On the article, it seems the 2.65B is allocated to 1 WHEC and 3 helicopters.

oi gud new ito....kung ganun.....o sige +.01 kay pnoy....

P2.65billion for only 1 ex-Hamilton cutter is too much, considering that we only spent P450million for the BRP Del Pilar.. i think these numbers are all mixed-up

^^ baka kasama na yung ibang armaments nyan... (?)(?)

P2.65billion for only 1 ex-Hamilton cutter is too much, considering that we only spent P450million for the BRP Del Pilar.. i think these numbers are all mixed-up

del Pilar was almost given away for free, and the 450 million was spent for refurbishment and re-equipment.

it is not indicated that the 2.65billion will be spent on another ex-hamilton class. maybe another type?

The LST of that class's superstructure is basically too small and ill equipped to perform the role of "flag ship" since it doesn't have alot of the necessary equipment or space for it, unless the cargo bay is modified for that purpose i suppose .

Using modified container units .





..And why would someone use the LSTs as a flagship, it doesn't even look like a warship, more like a cargo ship :lol:. (It is just more than the size) :) ..



I don't want to intend them as Flag Ships:)

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P4.95 B released to beef up armed forces
By Ronnel W. Domingo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
1:28 pm | Wednesday, September 7th, 2011

MANILA, Philippines—Budget Secretary Florencio B. Abad said Wednesday Malacañang has released P4.95 billion to shore up the Armed Forces of the Philippines’ (AFP) capability to defend the country’s territory, including existing and potential petroleum producing areas in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).
Abad said P2.65 billion is for the purchase of another cutter and three helicopters for the Philippine Navy while P2.3 billion will buy another set of three helicopters for the Philippine Air Force.
“The P4.95 billion will fund necessary:) capability requirements of AFP in its territorial defense operations, including providing a strong security perimeter for the Malampaya natural gas and power project,” he said in a press statement.
The fund release follows the disbursement last April of P423 million for the purchase from the US Coast Guard of the cutter Hamilton, now the navy’s biggest vessel.
Renamed BRP Gregorio del Pilar, the decades-old warship is intended to be used for patrolling the waters around the Malampaya field and facilities as well as other service contract areas of the Department of Energy, particularly the Reed Bank, Kalayaan Island group, and Mapun in the Sulu Sea.
Malacañang has said the commissioning of BRP Gregorio del Pilar last month was part of efforts to strengthen the AFP amid tensions in the West Philippine Sea where China has allegedly encroached on Philippine territory.

At this rate, before President Aquino end his term... the AFP would be stronger 10-20 years ago. (Beefed up hardware) Am I right?

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^^
If there is one thing admirable about PNoy, that is his resolve to really modernize the AFP. :okay:

+1

Let us give back the AFP's dignity and pride by providing them the necessary tools and weapons for protecting our country. Without a doubt these soldiers are ready to give up their lives for our country.

Agree, with the comming LPDs, Attack Helicopters and an additional WHEC, our armed forces will be stronger than before. :cheers:

oi gud new ito....kung ganun.....o sige +.01 kay pnoy....

At least may "NAKIKITANG PAGBABAGO" sa AFP :lol: I was once a supporter of GMA...

If we are going to ask the US for their Excess Defense Article can't we at least negotiate with them to make available the Iowa? I mean shes just mothballed somewhere in the US.

I don't want to intend them as Flag Ships:)

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At this rate, before President Aquino end his term... the AFP would be stronger 10-20 years ago. (Beefed up hardware) Am I right?

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Agree, with the comming LPDs, Attack Helicopters and an additional WHEC, our armed forces will be stronger than before. :cheers:



At least may "NAKIKITANG PAGBABAGO" sa AFP :lol: I was once a supporter of GMA...

oi bakit naman once...ibig sabihin balimbing ka na ngayon? :lol:

P2.65billion for only 1 ex-Hamilton cutter is too much, considering that we only spent P450million for the BRP Del Pilar.. i think these numbers are all mixed-up

On the article, it seems the 2.65B is allocated to 1 WHEC and 3 helicopters.

I might be wrong but the 2.65B allocation is for the two cutters that will be decommissioned by the US and for its helicopters (3 of which were indicated in the article). The Navy is planning to get two more Hamilton class cutters.:)

naghahanda sa gyera?? hmmm.
PHL to set up radar stations in South China Sea
PHL to set up radar stations in South China Sea
09/07/2011 | 04:55 PM

The Philippines will buy helicopters and build radar stations to strengthen its defense of oil and gas assets located near an area of the South China Sea [called West Philippine Sea] also claimed by China, a step that may annoy Beijing.

Budget Secretary Florencio Abad said in a statement that 4.95 billion pesos ($117 million) of royalties from the Malampaya gas field off Palawan would fund the military upgrade.

The field is to the east of Palawan island in an area of the South China Sea not claimed by China, but other nearby fields the Philippines wants to develop are in contested areas of the sea.

"(It) will fund necessary capability requirements of the Armed Forces of the Philippines in its territorial defence operations, including providing a strong security perimeter for the Malampaya Natural Gas and Power Project," Abad said.

The $4.5 billion Malampaya project, estimated to hold 2.7 trillion cubic feet of natural gas and 65 million barrels of condensate, is operated by Shell Philippine Exploration , Chevron Philippines and state-owned PNOC Exploration Corp .

The Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan also have claims on the sea, which is a key shipping lane and rich in fish, and also sits on potential large oil and gas deposits.

Last week, President Benigno Aquino III met his Chinese counterpart, Hu Jintao, in Beijing and the two agreed on the need for a binding code of conduct in the sea.

Abad said the fund would allow the Air Force and Navy to purchase six new search-and-rescue and patrol helicopters to guard Malampaya and other oil-and-gas exploration areas in the Reed Bank and Sulu Sea.

In June, the Philippines said it expected to award next year 15 contracts for oil and gas explorations requiring total investments of at least $7.5 billion, most of them in the Palawan and Sulu Sea areas.

The air force will develop a small helicopter base on Palawan, and the navy will set up four coastal radar stations to monitor ship traffic and help prevent intrusions into the country's exclusive economic zones, Abad said.

Washington, a long-time ally of the Philippines and wary of China's military build-up, has promised to provide secure communications and surveillance equipment to four coast watch stations that will track surface movements in disputed areas in the sea.

About $10 million had been spent on refurbishing a Hamilton-class navy frigate acquired from the United States in April, the largest surface vessel in the navy's fleet. Manila may get two more Hamilton-class ships by early 2012. ($1 = 42.3 Philippine pesos) —

The Philippines will buy helicopters and build radar stations to strengthen its defense of oil and gas assets located near an area of the South China Sea [called West Philippine Sea] also claimed by China, a step that may annoy Beijing.

Budget Secretary Florencio Abad said in a statement that 4.95 billion pesos ($117 million) of royalties from the Malampaya gas field off Palawan would fund the military upgrade.

The field is to the east of Palawan island in an area of the South China Sea not claimed by China, but other nearby fields the Philippines wants to develop are in contested areas of the sea.

"(It) will fund necessary capability requirements of the Armed Forces of the Philippines in its territorial defence operations, including providing a strong security perimeter for the Malampaya Natural Gas and Power Project," Abad said.

The $4.5 billion Malampaya project, estimated to hold 2.7 trillion cubic feet of natural gas and 65 million barrels of condensate, is operated by Shell Philippine Exploration , Chevron Philippines and state-owned PNOC Exploration Corp .

The Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan also have claims on the sea, which is a key shipping lane and rich in fish, and also sits on potential large oil and gas deposits.

Last week, President Benigno Aquino III met his Chinese counterpart, Hu Jintao, in Beijing and the two agreed on the need for a binding code of conduct in the sea.

Abad said the fund would allow the Air Force and Navy to purchase six new search-and-rescue and patrol helicopters to guard Malampaya and other oil-and-gas exploration areas in the Reed Bank and Sulu Sea.

In June, the Philippines said it expected to award next year 15 contracts for oil and gas explorations requiring total investments of at least $7.5 billion, most of them in the Palawan and Sulu Sea areas.

The air force will develop a small helicopter base on Palawan, and the navy will set up four coastal radar stations to monitor ship traffic and help prevent intrusions into the country's exclusive economic zones, Abad said.

Washington, a long-time ally of the Philippines and wary of China's military build-up, has promised to provide secure communications and surveillance equipment to four coast watch stations that will track surface movements in disputed areas in the sea.

About $10 million had been spent on refurbishing a Hamilton-class navy frigate acquired from the United States in April, the largest surface vessel in the navy's fleet. Manila may get two more Hamilton-class ships by early 2012. ($1 = 42.3 Philippine pesos) —

I might be wrong but the 2.65B allocation is for the two cutters that will be decommissioned by the US and for its helicopters (3 of which were indicated in the article). The Navy is planning to get two more Hamilton class cutters.:)

The WHEC normally cost around 450M, for helicopters, I don't have any idea what type they will purchase. It's a little bit fuzzy how is the distribution of the budget would be on this procurement.

But bottomline is, AFP is awakening slowly:cheers:

Any plans on installing Torpedo tubes and weapon systems to our navy ships? Guns cannot sink military ships. WE need torpedoes to do the job. Also include depth charges for submarines.

For anti-aircraft weapons, we can instead use portable SAMs such as the stinger missiles.

Any plans on installing Torpedo tubes and weapon systems to our navy ships? Guns cannot sink military ships. WE need torpedoes to do the job. Also include depth charges for submarines.

For anti-aircraft weapons, we can instead use portable SAMs such as the stinger missiles.

may mga plans yan, our Navy is in to it. But as of the moment, they are taking those steps slowly due to budget constraints. Training of personnel are still in the minds of the high ranks in order for them to be fully acquaintted with the equipments being eyed for modernization. CIWS and ASW-capable ships are not far in the AFP's plan in the future.:)

oi bakit naman once...ibig sabihin balimbing ka na ngayon? :lol:

Why would I support a Congresswoman of Pampanga? I am from Zamboanga City and would rather support two of our Representatives.

Everyone should support the current president for the Philippines to move forward, Former President Gloria Arroyo even told that at her last televised speech. :)

^^ especially when Gloria tried to sell Zamboanga City to the MILF through that unconstitutional MOA on ancestral domain.

If we are going to ask the US for their Excess Defense Article can't we at least negotiate with them to make available the Iowa? I mean shes just mothballed somewhere in the US.

lol what?!?! why would you want an obsolete ship serving on your navy...?? malaki rin gastos nyan sa maintenance at kelangan din ng sandamakmak na escort...

naghahanda sa gyera?? hmmm.
PHL to set up radar stations in South China Sea

PHL to set up radar stations in South China Sea
09/07/2011 | 04:55 PM


tama lang yan... dapat talaga gawin ito bago kumuha ng MRFs...:yes:

naghahanda sa gyera?? hmmm.
PHL to set up radar stations in South China Sea

Lol the radar coverage of the country is so weak that some airlines are flying through the airspace without paying rights because their presence can't be established, hardly naghahanda sa gyera kulang na kulang pa ang mga equipment even for "defence" or just even billing airliners for using the airspace which could contribute to the budget .

Lol the radar coverage of the country is so weak that some airlines are flying through the airspace without paying rights because their presence can't be established, hardly naghahanda sa gyera kulang na kulang pa ang mga equipment even for "defence" or just even billing airliners for using the airspace which could contribute to the budget .

Actually may RADAR project na sa buong Pinas, under sa CAAP-DOTC, Fully implemented, may full coverage na ang buong bansa. Madali nang masingil yung mga commercial airline na malimit dumadaan sa atin. CNS ATM project na minana ni Pnoy kay GMA.:)

P4.95 B released to beef up armed forces
By Ronnel W. Domingo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
1:28 pm | Wednesday, September 7th, 2011

MANILA, Philippines—Budget Secretary Florencio B. Abad said Wednesday Malacañang has released P4.95 billion to shore up the Armed Forces of the Philippines’ (AFP) capability to defend the country’s territory, including existing and potential petroleum producing areas in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).
Abad said P2.65 billion is for the purchase of another cutter and three helicopters for the Philippine Navy while P2.3 billion will buy another set of three helicopters for the Philippine Air Force.
“The P4.95 billion will fund necessary:) capability requirements of AFP in its territorial defense operations, including providing a strong security perimeter for the Malampaya natural gas and power project,” he said in a press statement.
The fund release follows the disbursement last April of P423 million for the purchase from the US Coast Guard of the cutter Hamilton, now the navy’s biggest vessel.
Renamed BRP Gregorio del Pilar, the decades-old warship is intended to be used for patrolling the waters around the Malampaya field and facilities as well as other service contract areas of the Department of Energy, particularly the Reed Bank, Kalayaan Island group, and Mapun in the Sulu Sea.
Malacañang has said the commissioning of BRP Gregorio del Pilar last month was part of efforts to strengthen the AFP amid tensions in the West Philippine Sea where China has allegedly encroached on Philippine territory.

wala ba kayong napansin sa pag release ng fund na ito...ni pnoy...?

he released it right after his China trip....:lol: something must have happened there that prompted or enraged the guy :lol: just my two sentimos...:lol:

^^I watched ANC kanina, the president of China unexpectedly asked him DAW to apologize about the hostage crisis. :nuts:

he must have felt insulted.....buti yun para lalong mapalakas sandatahang lakas ng pinas....:lol:

kung dba naman tanga si panoy e nagtatapangtapangan cya d naman pinanindigan kaya ano nakuha nya ngayun sa US?puro wikileaks at kasiraan nya,..ang kano pumuporma na tumulong biglang kumabig si panoy abnoy talaga di nakatiwangwang cya ngayun,..nasan na nga pala yung US fleet na papuntang pinas at south china sea?tukmol talaga, magkadugo kasi commies lang itong bully china na to,..

kung dba naman tanga si panoy e nagtatapangtapangan cya d naman pinanindigan kaya ano nakuha nya ngayun sa US?puro wikileaks at kasiraan nya,..ang kano pumuporma na tumulong biglang kumabig si panoy abnoy talaga di nakatiwangwang cya ngayun,..nasan na nga pala yung US fleet na papuntang pinas at south china sea?tukmol talaga, magkadugo kasi commies lang itong bully china na to,..

Hindi rin naman tayo matutulungan ng US kung sakaling sakupin nila ang Spratlys- wala sa MDT yan. Ano gusto mo sabihin nya doon: Cge inyo na Spratly's? :lol:

Yung mga wikileaks na yan nung panahon pa ni GMA yan - in other words lumang balita na talaga yan.

Military sees tensions easing after Aquino’s China visit (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/11537/military-sees-tensions-easing-after-aquino%E2%80%99s-china-visit)


By DJ Yap
Philippine Daily Inquirer
8:40 pm | Saturday, September 3rd, 2011

MANILA, Philippines—The rekindling of the country’s friendly ties with China in the wake of President Aquino’s visit to that country is expected to greatly ease tensions in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea), the Armed Forces of the Philippines said.

AFP Chief of Staff Eduardo Oban Jr. said Aquino’s meetings with top Chinese leaders would likely translate to less intrusions by the Chinese into the country’s waters or airspace, particularly within the vicinity of the disputed Spratly islands.

“Probably, the effect of such cordial relations at a policy level will go down the line; that is, it will reach downward and lead to a peaceful resolution of any conflict or disputes in the West Philippine Sea,” he said in an interview Friday night.

“That would be probably translated into such an eventuality,” Oban said in reply to a question on whether he expected fewer run-ins with Chinese vessels or jet fighters over Philippine-claimed territories.

But he stressed that the Philippines would continue its modernization and capability-building efforts.

“For us in the Armed Forces, as I always say, our capability development is not geared toward any country. We just have to protect our resources,” Oban told reporters.

He cited ongoing programs for the procurement of two more Hamilton-class cutters for the Navy and six jet fighters for the Air Force.

The Philippines recently acquired the BRP Gregorio Del Pilar, a 378-foot Hamilton-class cutter from the United States Coast Guard, which the Navy will use to patrol the country’s waters in the West Philippine Sea.

“Yes, it’s in the program. But there will be a lot of work to do still. We still have to find out if there are still equipment available,” he said of plans to acquire two more Hamilton-class vessels, the first of which, he added, might occur “early next year.”

On the planned purchase of jet fighters, Oban said the Air Force is coming up with the technical specifications, which it should finalize soon.

He said the AFP would remain vigilant in patrolling and protecting the country’s claims in the West Philippine Sea, particularly those within its exclusive economic zone.

The Spratly group of islands, a reputedly oil-rich chain of tiny islands and reefs, is located near Palawan. The chain is claimed wholly or in part by the Philippines, China, Malaysia, Brunei, Vietnam and Taiwan.

In 2002, countries with claims to the Spratly islands signed the Declaration of Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea, which was to serve as a non-binding guideline on how to tackle the disputes.

In early 2011, the AFP reported instances of Chinese intrusions, including two Chinese vessels that allegedly harassed a Philippine exploration ship at Reed Bank in March, prompting the Philippines to send planes and some of its coast guard ships to the area.

This was followed by a string of other incidents over the next few months that drew protest from the Philippines. China then issued strong words warning the Philippines about its statements.

Hoping the tensions would really easy but at the same time, I hope China will not give us the shorter end of the stick. This is what worries mne about them. In exchange of non military aggression, we should agree to receive the shorter end of the stick :/

http://news.yahoo.com/space-junk-littering-orbit-might-cleaning-173155267.html


Space junk littering orbit; might need cleaning up
APBy SETH BORENSTEIN - AP Science Writer | AP – Thu, Sep 1, 2011

This computer generated graphic provided by NASA shows images of objects in Earth orbit that are currently being tracked. Space junk has made such a mess of Earth's orbit that experts say we may need to finally think about cleaning it up. That may mean vacuuming up debris with weird space technology _ cosmic versions of nets, magnets and giant umbrellas, according to the chairman of an expert panel that issued a new report on the problem Thursday. (AP Photo/NASA)

This computer generated graphic provided by NASA shows images of objects in Earth …

WASHINGTON (AP) — Space junk has made such a mess of Earth's orbit that experts say we may need to finally think about cleaning it up.

That may mean vacuuming up debris with weird space technology — cosmic versions of nets, magnets and giant umbrellas, according to the chairman of an expert panel that issued a new report on the problem Thursday.

There are 22,000 objects in orbit that are big enough for officials on the ground to track and countless more smaller ones that could do damage to human-carrying spaceships and valuable satellites. The International Space Station has to move out of the way of debris from time to time.

"We've lost control of the environment," said retired NASA senior scientist Donald Kessler, who headed the National Academy of Sciences report.

Since the space age began 54 years ago, civilization has littered the area just above Earth's atmosphere with leftover boosters and other parts that come off during launches, as well as old satellites. When scientists noticed that this could be a problem, they came up with agreements to limit new space junk and those plans had been working.

Those agreements are intended to make sure what is sent into orbit eventually falls back to Earth and burns up.

But two events in the past four years — a 2007 Chinese anti-satellite weapon test and a 2009 crash-in-orbit of two satellites — put so much new junk in space that everything changed, the report said. The widely criticized Chinese test used a missile to smash an aging weather satellite into 150,000 pieces of debris larger than four-tenths of an inch (1 centimeter) and 3,118 pieces can be tracked by radar on the ground, the report said.

"Those two single events doubled the amount of fragments in Earth orbit and completely wiped out what we had done in the last 25 years," Kessler said.

All that junk that means something has to be done, "which means you have to look at cleaning space," said Kessler.

The study only briefly mentions the cleanup possibility, raising technical, legal and diplomatic hurdles. But it refers to a report earlier this year by a Defense Department science think-tank that outlines all sorts of unusual techniques. The report by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency is called "Catcher's Mitt" and it mentions harpoons, nets, tethers, magnets and even a giant dish or umbrella-shaped device that would sweep up tiny pieces of debris.

While the new report does not recommend using the technology, Kessler said it is needed. He likes one company's idea of a satellite that is armed with nets that could be sprung on wayward junk. Attached to the net is an electromagnetic tether that could either pull the junk down to a point where it would burn up harmlessly or boost it to safer orbit.

NASA officials said they are examining the study.

The report is from the National Research Council, a branch of the National Academy of Sciences, which is an independent organization chartered by Congress to advise the government on science.

A lot of countries have their own advanced space programs.

WE can't even have simple rockets for our airforce or torpedoes for our Navy. tsk tsk tsk

^^ We hardly even manufacture our own defense equipment. How can we have space programs? :lol:

Actually may RADAR project na sa buong Pinas, under sa CAAP-DOTC, Fully implemented, may full coverage na ang buong bansa. Madali nang masingil yung mga commercial airline na malimit dumadaan sa atin. CNS ATM project na minana ni Pnoy kay GMA.

Well that's a good development if those radar gaps are now closed, and doesn't matter under which president it came to be done it's every administrations duty to do everything to get the country back on track ... .

What happens when those RADARS detect an intruder?

Do we send interceptors? or DO WE EVEN HAVE ONE?

What happens when those RADARS detect an intruder?

Do we send interceptors? or DO WE EVEN HAVE ONE?

Wala !

Maybe we can shoot them down using our Mistral Man-pads:lol:.

What happens when those RADARS detect an intruder?

Do we send interceptors? or DO WE EVEN HAVE ONE?

Wala !

Maybe we can shoot them down using our Mistral Man-pads:lol:.

yun nga ang question dyan kung paano i-implement ng airfoce natin if ever merong lalabag sa airspace natin. Sana kahit 4 na M346 man lang.

lol what?!?! why would you want an obsolete ship serving on your navy...?? malaki rin gastos nyan sa maintenance at kelangan din ng sandamakmak na escort...


I'd rather take that obsolete ship with all her firepower than coast guard cutters that might not even stand up to fully armed PT boats. And besides they have the same age as Humabon but with more firepower. As long as the Iowa's 16-inch main guns are intact and retained, she's good. And she underwent modernization in the 80s.

I'd rather take that obsolete ship with all her firepower than coast guard cutters that might not even stand up to fully armed PT boats.

Ridiculous concept at best which is all the more irrelevant anyway aside from the massive costs involved since the US would never donate or sell a battleship to their closest allies let alone the Phillippines and certainly not those ships with their historical and cultural significance to the US .

Ridiculous concept at best which is all the more irrelevant anyway aside from the massive costs involved since the US would never donate or sell a battleship to their closest allies let alone the Phillippines and certainly not those ships with their historical and cultural significance to the US .

In my previous post I brought up the idea of trying to negotiate with uncle sam for that ship considering that she's just mothballed in navy reserve in Washington state. Rather than keep her rusting, sold for scrap, or sunk as an artificial reef or for target practice, they might consider selling it instead. That was in the notion that she was just being mothballed. And as for the cost, it might be worth the expense considering that you can build your navy around a battleship. It is a longshot, I know, that's why i said TRY negotiating.

But if shes gonna be turned into a floating museum and preserved then so be it.

they might consider selling it instead.

There's no negotiation possible this is like someone asking his mother to donate her dead mothers cremated ashes to a neighbour to be used as kitty litter for their pet cat, the mere notion is unthinkable anyway you could try to go to the American section if there is one and pose the question .


This seems to be their defence thread :
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1136457&page=68

"I'd rather take that obsolete ship with all her firepower than coast guard cutters that might not even stand up to fully armed PT boats. And besides they have the same age as Humabon but with more firepower. As long as the Iowa's 16-inch main guns are intact and retained, she's good. And she underwent modernization in the 80s."

That's why you're a romantic guy. Enamored with useless jalopies.

the age of the Battleship and big-bore naval guns is over a long time ago. history will tell you that.

a navy ship now needs to be:

1) stealthy
2) maneuverable
3) light and fast
4) ASW capability
5) have inter-operability with aircraft and helicopters

not to mention the modern missile/countermeasure/radar/detection systems

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/New_Jersey_Shoots.jpg/220px-New_Jersey_Shoots.jpg

but it looks awesome, wondering what it sounds like

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/New_Jersey_Shoots.jpg/220px-New_Jersey_Shoots.jpg

but it looks awesome, wondering what it sounds like

flamethrower?

I'd rather take that obsolete ship with all her firepower than coast guard cutters that might not even stand up to fully armed PT boats. And besides they have the same age as Humabon but with more firepower. As long as the Iowa's 16-inch main guns are intact and retained, she's good. And she underwent modernization in the 80s.

By the way, the USCGC Hamilton also underwent modernization in the 1988.

Given that we are granted to acquire Iowa-class battleships, who's gonna supply the ammo for main batteries? :lol: Besides, the US still needs battleships for offshore fire support, and activated when needed. The last time it was used was during the 1991 Gulf War where it was used as offshore fire support platform.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/New_Jersey_Shoots.jpg/220px-New_Jersey_Shoots.jpg

but it looks awesome, wondering what it sounds like

If you are happened to be on deck of USS New Jersey, prepare your ears to be ruptured. :lol:

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Battleships have already started to become obsolete by the second world war. with the increase use of aircraft carriers, battleships became sitting ducks. this is reminiscent to the sinking of the prince of wales by japs and most especially the sinking of Yamato, largest battleship ever by US carrier air groups. there's even talk and some analysis now that aircraft carriers themselves will soon be obsolete being more vulnerable against new and sophisticated missile technology. missiles boats would be more useful perhaps. i wonder when the day will come for the philippine navy to acquire such a weapon...

ang blackwater ba may naval forces, arkilahin nalang natin for the defense of spratlys, sabagay mga CHDF ng US armed forces naman yang mga yan,..wala pang sakit sa ulo magmaintain ng mga bulok na armas diba?or outsource natin air superiority ng USAF, buwanan ang bayad para mga raptor mag papatrolya sa spratlys,..lintek talagang mga commies yan!!!

^^ How do we outsource USAF? Curious lang. I don't think militaries are outsourcable

^^ How do we outsource USAF? Curious lang. I don't think militaries are outsourcable

just get to 2 or 3 agent to handle the call. hahahaha

^^ How do we outsource USAF? Curious lang. I don't think militaries are outsourcable

have you ever heard of blackwater?isn't it defence outsourcing?the thing is that i'm expecting more than just a call center. make a deal with the US on the spratlys pera-pera lang yan, sa palagay mo pag pumoste US jan e may aangkin pang bansa jan?dapat nun pa naka MOA na with the US na any recoverable energy sa area na yan US companies ang hahawak, royalties nalang kokolektahin natin kaysa ngayon mawawala lang sa pinas ang sparatlys dahil sa kainutilan ng gobyerno and kapobrehan ng armed forces natin, rather than siding with chinese commies it's better to deal with the magugulang na US medjo kabisado pa natin style nila, e itong chinese commies unpredictable and ambitious, pure-blooded commies pa rin dapat tinuloy nalang ni mac arthur yung a-bombing china back to stone age kung di lang sa pagkashortsighted ng foreign policy ni truman and his advisers (they rather please china to isolate the soviets),..

^^ Blackwater Services - I think, they are now in contract with the CIA ...hehehe, maybe they can call in the shot to guide those B2s to bomb anywhere in the world.
I don't think they can be hired to defend an island. Malaking problema yan sa diplomasya.

Me mga Pinoys nuon na Blackwater security group sa Iraq and Afghanistan, mga astig pumorma... :D

have you ever heard of blackwater?isn't it defence outsourcing?the thing is that i'm expecting more than just a call center. make a deal with the US on the spratlys pera-pera lang yan, sa palagay mo pag pumoste US jan e may aangkin pang bansa jan?dapat nun pa naka MOA na with the US na any recoverable energy sa area na yan US companies ang hahawak, royalties nalang kokolektahin natin kaysa ngayon mawawala lang sa pinas ang sparatlys dahil sa kainutilan ng gobyerno and kapobrehan ng armed forces natin, rather than siding with chinese commies it's better to deal with the magugulang na US medjo kabisado pa natin style nila, e itong chinese commies unpredictable and ambitious, pure-blooded commies pa rin dapat tinuloy nalang ni mac arthur yung a-bombing china back to stone age kung di lang sa pagkashortsighted ng foreign policy ni truman and his advisers (they rather please china to isolate the soviets),..

With the Chinese military rapidly trying to catch up and having bloated egos, I don't think they will care is the US is there or not. I even suspect that their claim to the WPS and Spratly's is more that economic. It is also military.

I am not against your ideas. Like you, I think the Philippines should be friendly to the US if we are seriously taking them as an ally. Whether the Chinese and communist like this or not, the US remains the strongest in terms of military might. It would be a better idea to cajole the US in investing in oil than having a joint exploration with China.

President Nixon should have never opened China. He should have let them rot to death and that Clinton should have never declared China as a "special" country. Now, their over friendliness to China has cost them, not only economically but also in terms of security. It also has cost its allies and Chinese neighbors their own security, too. The scary thing is, China tries to hit the US subtly (and can one day come out and catch the US offguard like Japan did) and trying to play with "political correctness".

Besides, if the carbons in the Spratly's were really crude oil, the US could now kill the Jihadists to death because they will not have to buy oil from the Middle East. A lot of Jihadist leaders come from families that sell oil. Osama bin Laden is one. The ME which is a breeding ground for terrorists will go back to stone age!

^^ Blackwater Services - I think, they are now in contract with the CIA ...hehehe, maybe they can call in the shot to guide those B2s to bomb anywhere in the world.
I don't think they can be hired to defend an island. Malaking problema yan sa diplomasya.

Me mga Pinoys nuon na Blackwater security group sa Iraq and Afghanistan, mga astig pumorma... :D

Question is, can we really afford them? Defense contractors, to my knowledge, receive A LOT more than US servicemen. In the Philippines, we can hardly acquire brand new military equipment. Lahat Cold War era

I want everybody to hold on their horses. This is an interesting read and a good source of discussion/debate/argument

WikiLeaks: US backed MILF (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/54889/wikileaks-us-backed-milf)

My main problem with the report is that, they only take portions of the supposed cable. I wish they'd give us the raw, unedited one.

And if you read through the article, the one that puts the US to "side" the MILF comes from the mouth of the known commies. The US statements are more vague(as they always have been) to me that showing "concrete" US commitment to MILF or "Muslim entities"

I am not trying to vindicate the US, I am just cautious about the sources, especially if it includes quoted statements from anti-US and Philippine destabilizers.

If this is indeed true, the US should realize what happened when they supported the Mujihadins. Armed insurgents should never be trusted.

I want everybody to hold on their horses. This is an interesting read and a good source of discussion/debate/argument

WikiLeaks: US backed MILF (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/54889/wikileaks-us-backed-milf)

My main problem with the report is that, they only take portions of the supposed cable. I wish they'd give us the raw, unedited one.

And if you read through the article, the one that puts the US to "side" the MILF comes from the mouth of the known commies. The US statements are more vague(as they always have been) to me that showing "concrete" US commitment to MILF or "Muslim entities"

I am not trying to vindicate the US, I am just cautious about the sources, especially if it includes quoted statements from anti-US and Philippine destabilizers.

If this is indeed true, the US should realize what happened when they supported the Mujihadins. Armed insurgents should never be trusted.

that's the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard...:lol:

if this is true.. they can't deny that the 9/11 is an inside job...:bash:

^^ I feel that a lot has been edited in either Wikileaks or the article.

I strongly believe it is the article. The quoted statements from the US come off more as "vague". The quoted statements from Casino and Ocampo are the ones saying that the US supported the MILF.

I am not vindicating the US, but just be reading Casino and Ocampo on the article, I think the article has lost credibility. Sana, they could have quoted a neutral commentator.

If it is true, the US is on another 9/11 like.

^^ I feel that a lot has been edited in either Wikileaks or the article.

I strongly believe it is the article. The quoted statements from the US come off more as "vague". The quoted statements from Casino and Ocampo are the ones saying that the US supported the MILF.

I am not vindicating the US, but just be reading Casino and Ocampo on the article, I think the article has lost credibility. Sana, they could have quoted a neutral commentator.

If it is true, the US is on another 9/11 like.

well, di din ako naniniwala dyan.. as US is the #1 country declared war on terrorism... di nila mgagawa yun.. pinapadala pa nga nila ung troops sa mindanao.. nagbibibgay pa ng pondo sa gov't etch...

well, di din ako naniniwala dyan.. as US is the #1 country declared war on terrorism... di nila mgagawa yun.. pinapadala pa nga nila ung troops sa mindanao.. nagbibibgay pa ng pondo sa gov't etch...

I can't say, honestly. With the US buying oil from countries and FAMILIES where the highest ranking of Al Qaeda came from ... but then I think it is more of their carelessness than it being deliberate

yung sinasabi kong ipabahala nalang security ng spratly's e magbabayad tayo monthly sa kanila ng mas mababa kasi plus concession sa recoverable energy dito,..yung MILF dapat mapa-amo nayan, bigyan ng sub-state but minus their army, i-expand at hatiin cguro ang ARMM para may compitensya at challege within the two muslim tribes,..yang balita ng wikileaks matagal nayan cnabi panga ni bush yan dati na nagpapatulong MI sa kano para maresolve ang gyera sa mindanao, isa pa may usapan yang dalawa kaya dnasali sa terrorist org ang MI, yung weather satellite ng US nabubulag sa isang spot sa linguasan marsh na "teritoryo" ng MI, isang dambuhalang bandihado ng energy source,..

yung sinasabi kong ipabahala nalang security ng spratly's e magbabayad tayo monthly sa kanila ng mas mababa kasi plus concession sa recoverable energy dito,..yung MILF dapat mapa-amo nayan, bigyan ng sub-state but minus their army, i-expand at hatiin cguro ang ARMM para may compitensya at challege within the two muslim tribes,..yang balita ng wikileaks matagal nayan cnabi panga ni bush yan dati na nagpapatulong MI sa kano para maresolve ang gyera sa mindanao, isa pa may usapan yang dalawa kaya dnasali sa terrorist org ang MI, yung weather satellite ng US nabubulag sa isang spot sa linguasan marsh na "teritoryo" ng MI, isang dambuhalang bandihado ng energy source,..


That is a bad idea, giving to the defense contractors the security for the Spratlys. Why?
1. They will overcharge us as they do with the US Military.
2. They are likely to send their not so good "contractors"
3. Can we really afford it? How much "recoverable" energy do we have to offer? We can't even be self sufficient in energy
4. The AFP will never modernize and will never be able to defend the Philippines.

Yes to alliance, no to passing the responsibility to the US defense contractors

On ARMM:

So you want other tribes to kill each other?

ARMM should be decided on by the CONSTITUENTS, not the rogue elements like the MILF.

That is a bad idea, giving to the defense contractors the security for the Spratlys. Why?
1. They will overcharge us as they do with the US Military.
2. They are likely to send their not so good "contractors"
3. Can we really afford it? How much "recoverable" energy do we have to offer? We can't even be self sufficient in energy
4. The AFP will never modernize and will never be able to defend the Philippines.

Yes to alliance, no to passing the responsibility to the US defense contractors

On ARMM:

So you want other tribes to kill each other?

ARMM should be decided on by the CONSTITUENTS, not the rogue elements like the MILF.

wala naman tayong capability gwardyahan maayos ang spratlys kaysa masakop lang lahat unti unti ng commies yan, bhala na kung papaano basta mawala lang commies china sa spratlys, suggestion lang yan isapa pwede i-arrange with US yan na iba ang declaration like: SPRATLYS: Home of the US 7th fleet (dkona i-expound), wala ka talagang background sa problema ng mga muslim brothers natin, oo parehong muslim ang MNLF at MILF pero magkaiba tribu nila at nagkakagulo pareho yan, kaya yang suggestion ko based dun sa behaviour nila, magpatalbugan cla ng region na sub-state nila kaysa mag away at gyera mga yan, damay lahat pinas, at dapat i-integrate or dismantle sundalo nila bago ibigay ang sub-state, IMO gawing SAR ang buong mindanao at hatiin into sub-states/ federates (ARMM1,ARMM2,ZAMPEN,Nothmin,DAVREG, etc) pero pilipinas pa rin, O OPINYON KO LANG YAN HA, please respect, but you can react wag lang violent,..

^^ Kaya hindi nadedevelop ang AFP dahil inaasa sa US palagi eh.

Ugh? when did I violently react, eh? Hindi naman kita minumura or what? Ang OA mo naman.

And you think they will allow that their armies dismantle? The Ampatuans and Mangdatus don't even dissolve their private armies, let alone the MILF.

Again, I reiterate, the fate of the ARMM should be in the hands of the constituents, not by the Philippine government or rogue elements like MILF.

Patalbugan ng region? More of like magpapatayan just like what happened in Maguindanao almost 2 years ago. Say, ARMM becomes substate and the "tribes" fight with each other. Who are going to get the fleeing refugees?

By the way, the USCGC Hamilton also underwent modernization in the 1988.

Given that we are granted to acquire Iowa-class battleships, who's gonna supply the ammo for main batteries? :lol: Besides, the US still needs battleships for offshore fire support, and activated when needed. The last time it was used was during the 1991 Gulf War where it was used as offshore fire support platform.



If you are happened to be on deck of USS New Jersey, prepare your ears to be ruptured. :lol:

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happy new year!!! XD

may vidoes ba ang humabon na nag lilive fire sya? =)

happy new year!!! XD

may vidoes ba ang humabon na nag lilive fire sya? =)

parang wala nmn ata? makakafire pa kaya yun enh nung world war p lng ubos na lkas nya.. :lol:

^^ Kaya hindi nadedevelop ang AFP dahil inaasa sa US palagi eh.

Ugh? when did I violently react, eh? Hindi naman kita minumura or what? Ang OA mo naman.

And you think they will allow that their armies dismantle? The Ampatuans and Mangdatus don't even dissolve their private armies, let alone the MILF.

Again, I reiterate, the fate of the ARMM should be in the hands of the constituents, not by the Philippine government or rogue elements like MILF.

Patalbugan ng region? More of like magpapatayan just like what happened in Maguindanao almost 2 years ago. Say, ARMM becomes substate and the "tribes" fight with each other. Who are going to get the fleeing refugees?

mas OA ka dnaman kita pinipilit mag react,..bumisita ka nga muna sa mindanao para maintindihan mo ang lugar puro balita lang alam mo sa mindanao e,..isa pa ang MNLF na nakacontrol sa ARMM ngayun, naintegrate na ang fighters nila sa AFP, yung private armies kahit saan naman meron e, yun dapat unahin ng AFP,pano mag gyera yan kung walang armas, dko cnabi na hayaan yung armed followers nila kasama sa bargain yun na i-dismantle or i-integrate dnaman pwede na may ibang armend forces ang pinas ano ka ba?wagmonga i-rephrase yung sinabi ko, magpatalbugan as in sa progress, yan ang gusto nila at most of our muslim brothers are very tired of the conflict already,..

mas OA ka dnaman kita pinipilit mag react,..bumisita ka nga muna sa mindanao para maintindihan mo ang lugar puro balita lang alam mo sa mindanao e,..isa pa ang MNLF na nakacontrol sa ARMM ngayun, naintegrate na ang fighters nila sa AFP, yung private armies kahit saan naman meron e, yun dapat unahin ng AFP,pano mag gyera yan kung walang armas, dko cnabi na hayaan yung armed followers nila kasama sa bargain yun na i-dismantle or i-integrate dnaman pwede na may ibang armend forces ang pinas ano ka ba?

Just a proof that if the ARMM is given to rogue groups, it will not solve the problem. Kaya sinabi ko ng paulit ulit constituents ang dapat pagdecide. I think you skipped it. And the AFP going after "private armies" will just intensify the conflict between "tribes" and opposing politicians. The problem with private armies is best dealt with a legislation -- jail and fine those who have private armies.

Ayan OA ka nanaman who told you na pinilit mo ako magreact? Aber? Lahat ata gusto mong istretch

Just a proof that if the ARMM is given to rogue groups, it will not solve the problem. Kaya sinabi ko ng paulit ulit constituents ang dapat pagdecide. I think you skipped it. And the AFP going after "private armies" will just intensify the conflict between "tribes" and opposing politicians. The problem with private armies is best dealt with a legislation -- jail and fine those who have private armies.

Ayan OA ka nanaman who told you na pinilit mo ako magreact? Aber? Lahat ata gusto mong istretch

sino ba bumoto sa ARMM?dba majority ng constituents nito?legislation?kailan ba nakakatulong yan, dapat harapin ng AFP-PNP ito hinde lang basta basta pwersa mga to, dnatatakot sa batas ito dapat pwersa pangharap mo nd batas,..inormalize muna lahat bago maglagay ng batas kasi nauna na mga ito kaysa sa gagawin palang na mga batas,..

Fighter jets believed to be from China allegedly harassed last week two aircraft of the Philippine Air Force (PAF) that were conducting reconnaissance patrol over Reed Bank near Palawan province, a military source said Thursday.

“They (PAF aircraft) were buzzed. Obviously, they were approached," the source said. “If you are a lesser superior aircraft, you will not engage."

He said the PAF team was then using two OV-10s while the foreign aircraft were MIG fighter jets, which were far superior and more sophisticated.

The source said the incident occurred Thursday last week while the PAF aircraft were on routine reconnaissance patrol over the area.

The incident occurred three days before the US carrier that carried the body of slain international terrorist leader Osama bin Laden — the USS Carl Vinson — visited the Philippines — a move seen to cast a shadow on the Philippine-China relationship.

Both China and the Philippines are claimants in the disputed Spratlys. The Philippine government has maintained that the Reed Bank is part of Kalayaan municipality in western Palawan, the territory within the Spratlys group of islands claimed by the country.

Reed Bank

“The location was somewhere over the Reed Bank…. It (PAF flight) is part of our normal maritime air patrols [to] check if there are new structures… formation of Chinese ships," the source said.

It was the second time an alleged harassment occurred in the area. Last March, two Chinese ships supposedly harassed an oil exploration vessel from the Department of Energy, prompting the Philippine military to deploy aircraft to the area.

Philippine defense and military officials said the Reed Bank is well within the Philippines’ exclusive economic zone.

The source said the OV-10 pilots initially thought that the “unidentified aircraft," which were flying some 5,000 feet above them, were passenger planes, noting that the area is an international air route.

http://www9.gmanews.tv/story/221081/nation/foreign-jets-harassed-paf-aircraft-over-reed-bank-source
Click on link for full story

They need to hurry procuring those trainers and hopefully they get the m346's ... .

They need to hurry procuring those trainers and hopefully they get the m346's ... .

badly it's only a trainer jet.. but it can be a big contribution patrolling the area.. and preparation for buying advance attack jets, if necessary.. :lol:

sino ba bumoto sa ARMM?dba majority ng constituents nito?legislation?kailan ba nakakatulong yan, dapat harapin ng AFP-PNP ito hinde lang basta basta pwersa mga to, dnatatakot sa batas ito dapat pwersa pangharap mo nd batas,..inormalize muna lahat bago maglagay ng batas kasi nauna na mga ito kaysa sa gagawin palang na mga batas,..

Matagal nang nakikipagbakbakan ang AFP sa mga yan, bakit walang nangyayari? bakit lumaki ang numero nila? Kasi ginamitan ng armas

Yes, mga constituents ng armm ang bumoboto that is wht it is best to leave the decision to them not to rogue groups or even the government. Bakit gusto mo ba China ang magdecide may isa sa Spratly's?

Philippine air force in bad shape: spokesman
Agence France-Presse
Posted at 09/10/2011 4:32 PM | Updated as of 09/10/2011 11:04 PM


MANILA - More than three-quarters of Philippine military aircraft are not fit to fly -- hampering the country's ability to protect its airspace and territorial waters, the air force said on Saturday.

Air force spokesman Miguel Ernesto Okol said the military fleet was in dire straits, backing up a 2010 government audit that found only 91 of the 393 aircraft were "full mission capable".:ohno:

"Our last fighter planes were decommissioned in 2005," Okol told AFP, referring to five 40-year-old F5 jets that were purchased from the United States, a military ally, in 1965.

He said the 17,000-member air force had only one C-130 Hercules military transport aircraft , until two more are acquired later this year or in 2012.:ohno:

Okol said the air force is dependent on ageing, US-made OV-10 planes to patrol the country's vast territorial waters, including disputed South China Sea areas claimed by several other countries.

"Considering this abject state of its air assets, which are mostly ageing, the Philippine Air Force is ill equipped to be operationally responsive to national security," said the report released by the Commission on Audit (COA).

Okol said the air force would use the report to "bolster our request for a capability upgrade."

The Philippines this year acquired one Hamilton class cutter, a decommissioned US coast guard vessel, to boost its South China Sea patrols in areas also claimed by China, Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam.

On Wednesday, it also announced a 4.95 billion-peso ($118 million) purchase of a navy patrol vessel, six helicopters, and other equipment to defend its South China Sea territories, believed to hold vast oil and gas deposits.

Tensions in the area, for decades considered a military flash point, spiked again this year after the Philippines and Vietnam said that China had become increasingly aggressive in staking its claims to the territories.

During a visit to Beijing last week, Philippine President Benigno Aquino and his Chinese counterpart Hu Jintao committed themselves to solving the dispute peacefully, but Manila has also insisted it will not back down against Chinese aggression.

Philippine air force in bad shape: spokesman
Agence France-Presse
Posted at 09/10/2011 4:32 PM | Updated as of 09/10/2011 11:04 PM


MANILA - More than three-quarters of Philippine military aircraft are not fit to fly -- hampering the country's ability to protect its airspace and territorial waters, the air force said on Saturday.

Air force spokesman Miguel Ernesto Okol said the military fleet was in dire straits, backing up a 2010 government audit that found only 91 of the 393 aircraft were "full mission capable".

"Our last fighter planes were decommissioned in 2005," Okol told AFP, referring to five 40-year-old F5 jets that were purchased from the United States, a military ally, in 1965.

He said the 17,000-member air force had only one C-130 Hercules military transport aircraft , until two more are acquired later this year or in 2012.

Okol said the air force is dependent on ageing, US-made OV-10 planes to patrol the country's vast territorial waters, including disputed South China Sea areas claimed by several other countries.

"Considering this abject state of its air assets, which are mostly ageing, the Philippine Air Force is ill equipped to be operationally responsive to national security," said the report released by the Commission on Audit (COA).

Okol said the air force would use the report to "bolster our request for a capability upgrade."

The Philippines this year acquired one Hamilton class cutter, a decommissioned US coast guard vessel, to boost its South China Sea patrols in areas also claimed by China, Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam.

On Wednesday, it also announced a 4.95 billion-peso ($118 million) purchase of a navy patrol vessel, six helicopters, and other equipment to defend its South China Sea territories, believed to hold vast oil and gas deposits.

Tensions in the area, for decades considered a military flash point, spiked again this year after the Philippines and Vietnam said that China had become increasingly aggressive in staking its claims to the territories.

During a visit to Beijing last week, Philippine President Benigno Aquino and his Chinese counterpart Hu Jintao committed themselves to solving the dispute peacefully, but Manila has also insisted it will not back down against Chinese aggression.




ang tatanga at ang yayabang ng philippine airforce general wala namang pamalit sa mga eroplanong luma at bulok na decomission pa.:lol::lol::lol: tapos ngayon sasabihin nyo na philippine airforce is in bad shape.:lol::lol::lol::lol:bancraft na ang philippine military mas nauna ng mag modernized ng kanilang mga bahay at bagong sasakyan ang mga general ng pilipinas.at ang misis ng general at mga anak complete bodyguard pa ha! at armado pa ng high powered firearms at bulletproof cars pa,talagang modernized na talaga.:lol::lol::lol:

Matagal nang nakikipagbakbakan ang AFP sa mga yan, bakit walang nangyayari? bakit lumaki ang numero nila? Kasi ginamitan ng armas

Yes, mga constituents ng armm ang bumoboto that is wht it is best to leave the decision to them not to rogue groups or even the government. Bakit gusto mo ba China ang magdecide may isa sa Spratly's?

alam mo, umapak ka muna sa mindanao dkapa yata nakakaapak sa mindanao kaya dmo alam pinagsasabi mo,..umapak ka muna tignan mo kung ano ang mindanao tas saka na tayo usap uli wala kang alam sa mindanao kundi sa mga naririnig at nababasa molang e,..

Philippine air force in bad shape: spokesman
Agence France-Presse
Posted at 09/10/2011 4:32 PM | Updated as of 09/10/2011 11:04 PM


MANILA - More than three-quarters of Philippine military aircraft are not fit to fly -- hampering the country's ability to protect its airspace and territorial waters, the air force said on Saturday.

Air force spokesman Miguel Ernesto Okol said the military fleet was in dire straits, backing up a 2010 government audit that found only 91 of the 393 aircraft were "full mission capable".:ohno:

"Our last fighter planes were decommissioned in 2005," Okol told AFP, referring to five 40-year-old F5 jets that were purchased from the United States, a military ally, in 1965.

He said the 17,000-member air force had only one C-130 Hercules military transport aircraft , until two more are acquired later this year or in 2012.:ohno:

Okol said the air force is dependent on ageing, US-made OV-10 planes to patrol the country's vast territorial waters, including disputed South China Sea areas claimed by several other countries.

"Considering this abject state of its air assets, which are mostly ageing, the Philippine Air Force is ill equipped to be operationally responsive to national security," said the report released by the Commission on Audit (COA).

Okol said the air force would use the report to "bolster our request for a capability upgrade."

The Philippines this year acquired one Hamilton class cutter, a decommissioned US coast guard vessel, to boost its South China Sea patrols in areas also claimed by China, Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam.

On Wednesday, it also announced a 4.95 billion-peso ($118 million) purchase of a navy patrol vessel, six helicopters, and other equipment to defend its South China Sea territories, believed to hold vast oil and gas deposits.

Tensions in the area, for decades considered a military flash point, spiked again this year after the Philippines and Vietnam said that China had become increasingly aggressive in staking its claims to the territories.

During a visit to Beijing last week, Philippine President Benigno Aquino and his Chinese counterpart Hu Jintao committed themselves to solving the dispute peacefully, but Manila has also insisted it will not back down against Chinese aggression.

Sigh. Here we go again. Matagal na nating alam to. And we know the no 1 reason why!!
PAF, even by their own admission, was essentially created as an extension of USAF. Everything we had, jetfighters, equipments etc. was either bought or directly supplied by Kuya. And you know what they did? They sat, took everything in and no contingency planning in case Kuya ever left.
Na-spoiled tayo that Kuya will always be there. But our wonderful teary eyed crocodiles decided to kick Kuya out. Certainly Not for nationalism but because of greed and dirty politics!!
ANG MAGALING PA, WALA DIN SILANG GINAWA. 10 YEARS NA AND MODERNIZATION PLAN NA YAN! GRABE.
We are now reaping what they sow. ANG Masakit PINOY ANG APEKTADO AS WE Have no Capability to defend our airspace.GRRR!:bash::nuts::ohno:

ang tatanga at ang yayabang ng philippine airforce general wala namang pamalit sa mga eroplanong luma at bulok na decomission pa. tapos ngayon sasabihin nyo na philippine airforce is in bad shape.bancraft na ang philippine military mas nauna ng mag modernized ng kanilang mga bahay at bagong sasakyan ang mga general ng pilipinas.at ang misis ng general at mga anak complete bodyguard pa ha! at armado pa ng high powered firearms at bulletproof cars pa,talagang modernized na talaga.
Tanga, mayabang na buwaya na walang namang ngipin (walang maibubuga at walang maipagmamayabang). Isama mo na dyan yung mga buwaya naka barong tagalog. If WW3 or some small conflict ever breaks out, they will have to run for their lives after escaping from crashed flying coffin.Or just surrender.:lol::lol:
Buti nga sa kanila.

wag nyo maliitin ang mga LIFT trainers, lalo na ang M-346 because it still can be used as an interim fighter-bomber/surface-attack/interceptor before we can get those badly-needed MRF's at air superiority fighters

bumili na muna bago maliitin ang mga yan....dahil ngayon wla pa tayong mamaliitin pangarap pa lang pwede natin gawin....:lol:

Sigh. Here we go again. Matagal na nating alam to. And we know the no 1 reason why!!
PAF, even by their own admission, was essentially created as an extension of USAF. Everything we had, jetfighters, equipments etc. was either bought or directly supplied by Kuya. And you know what they did? They sat, took everything in and no contingency planning in case Kuya ever left.
Na-spoiled tayo that Kuya will always be there. But our wonderful teary eyed crocodiles decided to kick Kuya out. Certainly Not for nationalism but because of greed and dirty politics!!
ANG MAGALING PA, WALA DIN SILANG GINAWA. 10 YEARS NA AND MODERNIZATION PLAN NA YAN! GRABE.
We are now reaping what they sow. ANG Masakit PINOY ANG APEKTADO AS WE Have no Capability to defend our airspace.GRRR!:bash::nuts::ohno:


Tanga, mayabang na buwaya na walang namang ngipin (walang maibubuga at walang maipagmamayabang). Isama mo na dyan yung mga buwaya naka barong tagalog. If WW3 or some small conflict ever breaks out, they will have to run for their lives after escaping from crashed flying coffin.Or just surrender.:lol::lol:
Buti nga sa kanila.
Me pinsan ako PMAer...Banas ako sa kanya..Naka graduate lang at naka deploy na sa mindanao..Di na namamansin taas ng ere..pwe....Di marunung bumalik sa dating pinanggalingan:nuts::bash:

OT....our prayers at with the american pipol on this 10th anniversary of the twin towers attack.....