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absinthe_888

October 11th, 2011, 06:50 PM

This is a good law, hope this gets passed into law.

House okays bill giving fixed term to AFP chief
(http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=736489&publicationSubCategoryId=63)
By Jess Diaz (The Philippine Star)
Updated October 12, 2011 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - The House of Representatives has finally approved a bill giving the chief of staff of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) a fixed term of three years.

The fixed term is meant to put an end to the so-called revolving door practice of appointing the AFP chief. Many chiefs of staff served only for a few months.

The bill is contained in a bicameral conference committee report which the Senate has to approve before the measure is sent to President Aquino for his signature.

The proposed law also fixes a two-year term for the commanders of the Philippine Army, Air Force and Navy.

Under present law, military commanders serve in their post until they reach the compulsory retirement age of 56.

The approved bill would allow the AFP chief and the Army, Air Force and Navy commanders to serve beyond retirement age until they finish their fixed terms of office.

Their fixed terms would enable them to start and institutionalize reforms in their respective organizations.

However, the bill keeps the power of the President to remove any of the commanders the moment he loses trust in such officer.

The measure is among the priority legislative measures of President Aquino.

The AFP, on the other hand, welcomed the ratification of the House, saying this would ensure the continuity of its programs.

“This (bill) shall be of significant help for the improvement and stabilization of the AFP because planning and putting into action of goals require a certain length of time,” AFP public affairs chief Col. Arnulfo Burgos Jr. said.

Burgos said the measure would also remove the “revolving door” policy in the military.

“A longer and fixed term for the chief of staff of AFP shall give him adequate time to draft, examine and implement matters to best achieve the desired end result,” Burgos said.

“It will strengthen the implementation of long-term projects of the AFP,” he added. – With Alexis Romero, Jaime Laude

ManilaBoy45

October 12th, 2011, 06:55 AM

rage@cebu

October 12th, 2011, 07:07 AM

Possible transfer of 1 Po Hang class corvette to the PN next year as a donation from South Korea's Navy... :shocked:

http://defense-studies.blogspot.com/2011/10/south-korea-to-gift-corvette-to.html

http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m335/filipinas40/PoHang.jpg

this ship could be the most capable warship we can have... armaments include four harpoon anti-ship missiles, two 76mm cannon, two 40mm autocannon, six torpedo tubes, twelve depth charges, radars and sonars...

natawa lang ako sa sinabi... corrupt politicos cant steal donated military gear! :bash:

ManilaBoy45

October 12th, 2011, 07:30 AM

Jesus Holy Mary! This is one 'GREAT NEWS' if it's true and a 'BIG THANKS' to South Korea...

http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m335/filipinas40/PoHang2.jpg

kalbongdad

October 12th, 2011, 07:53 AM

good news indeed kung totoo nga...but i don't think the harpoons will go with it....

leofriends

October 12th, 2011, 07:55 AM

^^ cge nakawin ng politiko ung 76 mm gun... :D

Ekweng

October 12th, 2011, 11:43 AM

Jesus Holy Mary! This is one 'GREAT NEWS' if it's true and a 'BIG THANKS' to South Korea...

Hindi kaya parang free taste test ito para paboran natin sila sa mga biddings ng armas at eroplano? ganito din ginawa nila sa Columbia diba. nagdonate din sila para sa kanila na bumili ng mga gamit. Syempre pag may libre ka na, mahihiya ka nang tumanggi.

good news indeed kung totoo nga...but i don't think the harpoons will go with it....

Yeah I think the harpoon missiles will have to go but tha cannons stays with it. Yun ay kung totoo yung chismis.

rawr

October 12th, 2011, 12:10 PM

^^ kung sakali yan na ang isa sa mga magiging "relatively new" warships natin...mas bata pa ang Pohang kay Gregorio del Pilar. Late 1980s-90s ata ginawa yung mga Pohang class.

arcabe

October 12th, 2011, 02:40 PM

yan ang good news kung totoo nga, may kasama na si Goyo sa kanyang pagbantay at paglalakbay sa Spratly's.:)

Kintoy

October 12th, 2011, 02:44 PM

sulong mga kafatid!

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa462/kintoy2/300943_277029045651892_1.jpg

Wind Shear

October 12th, 2011, 02:50 PM

Fun facts:

1. ROKS Pohang is the lead ship of the Pohang-class corvette. The said ship is designed for anti-ship missions. Later ships were designed for anti-submarine missions. The said class is named after cities in South Korea.

2. ROKS Cheonan, the ship was torpedoed by North Korean Navy, is a sister ship of ROKS Pohang. Ironically, ROKS Cheonan is designed for anti-submarine missions.

3. ROKS Pohang was decommissioned on June 30, 2009, meaning the ship served 25 years in ROKN (Was commissioned on December 18, 1984). Now it is a museum ship at Pohang.

kalbongdad

October 12th, 2011, 03:41 PM

sulong mga kafatid!

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa462/kintoy2/300943_277029045651892_1.jpg

biglang naiba ang amaya....hahaha nice

Alinghi

October 12th, 2011, 05:21 PM

asa pa kayo, pagdating dito eh 76mm nalang ang laman

hindi biro ang presyo ng isang SSM at torpedo.. at donated pa, kaya tendency eh tanggal lahat maliban sa main gun :lol:

Arvor

October 12th, 2011, 07:31 PM

S.Korea might donate a "PoHang class corvette" < I just hope it's not the Cheonan lol it kindof has a hole, jokes aside it would be good .

On a slightly troubling note Vietnam and China seem to have made an agreement regarding the sea with many names ... .

Alinghi

October 13th, 2011, 05:24 AM

^^ did they repair Cheonan? i think they just scrapped the ill-fated corvette

915bungohunter

October 13th, 2011, 09:42 AM

buti pa ang mga korean medyo bago pa mga 80's built at ITS FREE

Samantalang kano 60's pa tapos me bayad aalisan pa ng ibang arnaments...

915bungohunter

October 13th, 2011, 09:51 AM

Pohang PCC-756 Korea Shipbuilding Corporation
(now Hanjin Heavy Industries) 4 May 1982 18 December 1984 30 June 2009 Used as a museum ship in Pohang city

arcabe

October 13th, 2011, 03:11 PM

^^ did they repair Cheonan? i think they just scrapped the ill-fated corvette

ni-repair nila..the Navy corvette ROKS Cheonan (PCC 772)

baka ito pa ang ibigay sa atin...

http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=91722

http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/photos/100913-N-4366B-501.jpg

Alinghi

October 13th, 2011, 05:01 PM

^^ sa fact-finding investigation lang yan naka drydock.. actually nahati yung Cheonan sa dalawa.. pano mo i repair yung barkong nahati na :lol:

Parchie

October 13th, 2011, 05:11 PM

^^ sa fact-finding investigation lang yan naka drydock.. actually nahati yung Cheonan sa dalawa.. pano mo i repair yung barkong nahati na :lol:

Naitanong ko sa isang welder ng shipyard, ang sagot niya: "Hinanging la'ang".

arcabe

October 13th, 2011, 05:16 PM

^^ sa fact-finding investigation lang yan naka drydock.. actually nahati yung Cheonan sa dalawa.. pano mo i repair yung barkong nahati na :lol:

oo nga no..hehehe..my bad...:lol:

Nabartek

October 13th, 2011, 05:33 PM

sulong mga kafatid!

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa462/kintoy2/300943_277029045651892_1.jpg

Ano to, mga descendants ni Captain Jack Sparrow?

leofriends

October 13th, 2011, 05:37 PM

^^ pirates of the Caribbean.. :D :lol:

Nabartek

October 13th, 2011, 05:44 PM

Lilyr

October 13th, 2011, 06:41 PM

fixed term is good. kesa naman one year lang na chief retire na. :lol:
Baka naman mas marami syang makurakot, este, ma-ipon sa longer term nyan:smug:

Animo

October 13th, 2011, 09:36 PM

By Alexis Romero (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=734019&publicationSubCategoryId=63) (The Philippine Star) Updated October 05, 2011 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Spain is ready to support the modernization efforts of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) and is willing to provide equipment to boost the military’s capabilities.

Constantino Mendez Martinez, Spain’s Vice-Minister of Defense, said yesterday they are willing to give second-hand defense articles if requested by the Philippine government.

“A government-to-government transaction is possible subject to existing laws. I must stress that it is the Philippine government that should enumerate its needs,” Martinez told The STAR.

“It is every country’s right to state its needs and our role is to facilitate the (acquisition) process so we could hasten it,” he added.

Martinez is in the country to meet with officials of the military and the defense department. He arrived in the Philippines last Sunday and is scheduled to return to Spain tomorrow.

He was accompanied by Spanish military officials and officials of Spain-based suppliers of defense equipment.

The suppliers are ISDEFE, a state-run firm engaged in defense systems engineering consultancy; Indra, a firm that specializes in information systems and electronic radars; EADS, which specializes in aircraft; EXPAL, which develops ammunition and mortars; and UME, a Spanish military unit that deals with disasters and emergency situations.

Martinez said Spain has naval and air assets that may be offered to the Philippines upon the request of the AFP.

“It is our understanding that there is a need for maritime watch ship vessel and air assets to be used to protect the country’s sovereignty and its boundaries,” Martinez said.

He said they have one unit of C-295 aircraft, vessels and radar systems that may suit the needs of the AFP.

He said Spanish firms are also willing to participate in the Philippine government’s bidding for the acquisition of military assets.

“We are open to agreements involving Spanish companies in terms of modernizing the armed forces. They (companies) are introducing themselves and are showing what they can offer based on the needs of the Philippines,” Martinez said.

The Aquino administration has vowed to support the AFP’s capability upgrade program to boost its territorial defense capabilities.

The government aims to acquire lead-in jet trainers, surface attack aircraft, air defense radars, long-range patrol aircraft and closed air support aircraft for the Air Force.

It seeks to buy new assault rifles, armor assets, tanks, armored personnel carriers, force protection equipment like helmets and bulletproof vests, night-fighting equipment and radios for the Army.

Meanwhile, the Navy will be e provided with strategic sea-lift vessels with amphibious capability, off-shore patrol vessels, naval helicopters, coast watch stations, and weather-heavy endurance cutters.

Wind Shear

October 13th, 2011, 09:40 PM

^^ sa fact-finding investigation lang yan naka drydock.. actually nahati yung Cheonan sa dalawa.. pano mo i repair yung barkong nahati na :lol:

oo nga no..hehehe..my bad...:lol:

Addendum: The ROKS Cheonan was salvaged, thus the picture in the shipyard. How she was salvaged is another question. :D

Baka naman mas marami syang makurakot, este, ma-ipon sa longer term nyan:smug:

Sarcasm aside, hopefully those lawmakers will add some measures or checks before the term ends.

arcabe

October 14th, 2011, 12:21 AM

Addendum: The ROKS Cheonan was salvaged, thus the picture in the shipyard. How she was salvaged is another question. :D

well likely, we are not sure if she will be..a museum piece or will be repaired back to normal operation, Korea has a number of shipbuilder company, there's a possibility there...:)

LAPDRN

October 14th, 2011, 01:37 AM

^^sulong mga kafatid!

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa462/kintoy2/300943_277029045651892_1.jpg

AMAYA cast:lol::lol::lol::banana::banana::banana::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

ManilaBoy45

October 14th, 2011, 02:16 AM

This PoHang corvette donation story seems fishy to me, probably just a made up story that spread like a wildfire on military internet forums and blogs...

http://www.saipantribune.com/newsstory.aspx?cat=3&newsID=113403

jpdm

October 14th, 2011, 02:35 AM

sulong mga kafatid!

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa462/kintoy2/300943_277029045651892_1.jpg

Hahahahahaha...:cheers:::lol::banana::)

kalbongdad

October 14th, 2011, 04:07 AM

aaaaayyyy mga adik.....:lol:

Arvor

October 14th, 2011, 11:01 AM

william :D

October 14th, 2011, 01:54 PM

Vietnam backs PHL-proposed Spratlys peace zone

The Philippines and Vietnam reaffirmed their commitment to peace in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea), following Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario's call on Vietnamese President Truong Tan Sang last week.

Sang expressed his desire to see the Philippine proposal for a Zone of Peace, Freedom, Friendship and Cooperation (ZoPFF/C) materialize within the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), according to a Department of Foreign Affairs report Friday.

"Vietnam and the Philippines share a lot of things in common, even with our views on how to tackle issues in the East Sea," Sang said.

Del Rosario welcomed Sang's statement. "It is to our countries' interest that ZoPFF/C advances. We hope to move forward together with Vietnam," he said.

Aside from the Philippines and Vietnam, four other countries are laying claim to all or parts of the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea (also called the West Philippine Sea), including China, Taiwan, Brunei and Malaysia.

In their meeting, Sang and Del Rosario discussed the issue of the West Philippine Sea — which Vietnam refers to as the East Sea — and expressed their respective countries’ desire for a region of peace, stability and development.

They also said any peaceful resolution to the territorial disputes should be consistent with international law, particularly the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea or UNCLOS.

Del Rosario’s meeting with Sang capped his official trip to Hanoi for the 7th Philippines-Vietnam Joint Commission for Bilateral Cooperation last Oct. 6 and 7. — VS, GMA News
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/235435/nation/vietnam-backs-phl-proposed-spratlys-peace-zone

hakhaimo

October 14th, 2011, 02:15 PM

Taiwan could deploy advanced missiles in Spratlys
Taiwan’s Defense Minister Kao Hua-chu said Taipei is ready to deploy Chaparral or Tien Chien I missiles to coastguard units in Taiping and the Pratas islands in the Spratlys archipelago.

Currently the units there are armed with 20-mm air defense guns and are defenseless against fighters employed by China and Vietnam.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/1159302/1/.html

And... another from the article... Tama ba sya?

The defence ministry added that in case of military conflicts, Taiwanese coastguards could hardly defend themselves against the Philippine forces equipped with naval gunboats, Lin added.

:shocked:

What if we will have a 5,000 fleet of gunboats (sea intercepters mixture of anti-submarine, anti-air, anti-ship) :lol:, 20-30 corvettes, and 5 big Naval ships... Would our navy be considered to be one of the powerful in the world?

http://www.feelfree.co/member/photos/art/734357292editor_FG_acquires_N850m_gunboats_to_safeguard_inland_waterways.jpg

http://www.bmpt.org.uk/other_boats_history/Dark%20Class/Finnish%20Gun%20Boats.jpg

http://images.defensetech.org/images/Cyclones.jpg

http://www.atn.com.ph/images_projects/pkmgun1.jpg

http://media.photobucket.com/image/Philippine%20gunboats/PNwatcher/Chamsuriclasspatrolvessels.jpg

arcabe

October 14th, 2011, 04:20 PM

What if we will have a 5,000 fleet of gunboats (sea intercepters mixture of anti-submarine, anti-air, anti-ship) :lol:, 20-30 corvettes, and 5 big Naval ships... Would our navy be considered to be one of the powerful in the world?

http://www.feelfree.co/member/photos/art/734357292editor_FG_acquires_N850m_gunboats_to_safeguard_inland_waterways.jpg

http://www.bmpt.org.uk/other_boats_history/Dark%20Class/Finnish%20Gun%20Boats.jpg

http://images.defensetech.org/images/Cyclones.jpg

http://www.atn.com.ph/images_projects/pkmgun1.jpg

http://media.photobucket.com/image/Philippine%20gunboats/PNwatcher/Chamsuriclasspatrolvessels.jpg

Malamang..:)

Parchie

October 14th, 2011, 04:52 PM

Malamang..:)

Di pa rin sigurado? Mag-aral kaya tayo nga "Art of War" ni Sun tzu!

kenken94

October 14th, 2011, 05:32 PM

^^ Even our capability to replace that large of a fleet is taken into consideration. It's like how Imperial Japan lost its navy and never having to recover it again in the duration of World War II. Unlike the United States that can easily replenish lost vessels in less than year.

boy tuge

October 14th, 2011, 05:41 PM

S.Korea to build naval base near disputed island

South Korea will build a naval base near an island claimed by both Seoul and Tokyo so that its warships can deploy faster than Japan's in case of disputes, a lawmaker said Wednesday.

Chung Mi-Kyung of the ruling Grand National Party said the government would build a $300 million naval base on Ulleung island by 2015.

Ulleung is the closest South Korean territory to the Seoul-controlled islets in the Sea of Japan (East Sea) which are known as Dokdo in Korean and Takeshima in Japan.

Chung cited data from the transport ministry which would partly finance the project, saying construction would begin in 2012. The ministry confirmed the report.

The new base will feature a 300-metre (990-feet) pier big enough to accommodate Aegis destroyers and the 14,000-tonne amphibious landing ship named Dokdo, Chung said.

"It will help strengthen our territorial rights on Dokdo as our naval ships can reach the islands quickly in times of disputes with Japan," she said in a statement.

Once the base is complete, Seoul would be able to send its ship to Dokdo in an hour and a half compared to the current four hours, she said. Japan's ships would take about three hours.

South Korea has for decades deployed a small marine police force on the rocky islets.

The dispute over them flared up again in June when Korean Air mounted a test flight of its new aircraft over Dokdo. Tokyo in response ordered its public servants to boycott Korean Air for a month.

Three conservative Tokyo lawmakers who intended to visit Ulleung to reassert their country's claim to Dokdo were refused permission to enter South Korea in early August.

South Korea the same month lodged a strong diplomatic protest against Japan's 2011 defence white paper, which describes the islands as Japanese territory.

Older South Koreans still have bitter memories of Japan's harsh colonial role over Korea from 1910-45.

^^http://ph.news.yahoo.com/korea-build-naval-near-disputed-island-025849492.html;_ylt=AhPQGaBjBGWgrt_fjvh.rzPrV8d_;_ylu=X3oDMTFmbmU1cGhuBG1pdANJQiBtb2R1bGUEcG9zAzIEc2VjA01lZGlhSW5maW5pdGVCcm93c2VMaXN0;_ylg=X3oDMTJ0bnRjZm5tBGludGwDcGgEbGFuZwNlbi1waARwc3RhaWQDNDM1OTI5MTktODdmZS0zYjU5LWFkZGEtZTMwNzllNzk2MWUxBHBzdGNhdAN3b3JsZHxhc2lhBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQ--;_ylv=3
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/TneLZgtgMHxkI4mVtCZ1zg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD01MTI7cT04NTt3PTI5NQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_sg/News/AFP/photo_1317184697181-2-0.jpg

Nabartek

October 14th, 2011, 07:01 PM

RealFlip

October 14th, 2011, 09:45 PM

US to increase warship visits in Philippines
By Jun Pasaylo The Philippine Star Updated October 13, 2011 10:39 AM

MANILA, Philippines - The United States government will increase its warships' visits in the Philippines as it strengthens its presence in the Asia Pacific region while the world's superpower winds down its presence in Afghanistan and Iraq.

In statement through the US Department of State, Secretary Hillary Clinton said her country renewed and strengthened its alliance with the Philippines and other nations in Asia to establish a hub of regional humanitarian and disaster relief efforts in the region.

"As the war in Iraq winds down and America begins to withdraw its forces from Afghanistan, the United States stands at a pivot point… One of the most important tasks of American statecraft over the next decade will therefore be to lock in a substantially increased investment -- diplomatic, economic, strategic, and otherwise -- in the Asia-Pacific region," Clinton said in a statement.

She added: “(We) are increasing the number of ship visits to the Philippines and working to ensure the successful training of Filipino counterterrorism forces through our Joint Special Operations Task Force in Mindanao."

"Our treaty alliances with Japan, South Korea, Australia, the Philippines, and Thailand are the fulcrum for our strategic turn to the Asia-Pacific," she said.

She noted that these nations have underwritten regional peace and security for more than half a century, shaping the environment for the region's remarkable economic ascent.

"They leverage our regional presence and enhance our regional leadership at a time of evolving security challenges," she pointed out.

In the next 10 years, she said her nation needs to be smart and systematic on where to invest time and energy, "so that we put ourselves in the best position to sustain our leadership, secure our interests, and advance our values."

"One of the most important tasks of American statecraft over the next decade will therefore be to lock in a substantially increased investment -- diplomatic, economic, strategic, and otherwise -- in the Asia-Pacific region," she emphasized.

http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspxpublicationsubcategoryid=63&articleid=736977

Lilyr

October 15th, 2011, 03:32 AM

Naku, baka dumami na naman yung mga rally din nya:lol:

Parchie

October 15th, 2011, 07:52 AM

Naku, baka dumami na naman yung mga rally din nya:lol:

Outmoded na yata ang mga rally na yan! Walang epekto sa mga tao, di tulad noon!

TheAvenger

October 15th, 2011, 09:43 AM

http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab359/samuelbelibeth/DSC04703-PC15.jpg

http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab359/samuelbelibeth/DSC04711-PC15.jpg

http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab359/samuelbelibeth/DSC04718-PC15.jpg

http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab359/samuelbelibeth/DSC04726-PC15.jpg

http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab359/samuelbelibeth/DSC04733-PC15.jpg

Alinghi

October 15th, 2011, 09:56 AM

^^ new paintjob?

gmaer

October 15th, 2011, 11:42 AM

this ship could be the most capable warship we can have... armaments include four harpoon anti-ship missiles, two 76mm cannon, two 40mm autocannon, six torpedo tubes, twelve depth charges, radars and sonars...

natawa lang ako sa sinabi... corrupt politicos cant steal donated military gear! :bash:

The Harpoon missiles will be excluded in the donation.

TheAvenger

October 15th, 2011, 12:21 PM

84aX-IgFHiY

Alinghi

October 15th, 2011, 12:54 PM

one Harpoon SSM costs $1.2-Million up.. if the Pohang has 8 launchers, then we need to buy at least 8 to fill the tubes and maybe 2-4 reserve SSM's..

granting if the SSM fire-control and search radar is still there upon donation :lol:

and also granting if a Pohang will really be donated to the PN :lol:

915bungohunter

October 15th, 2011, 04:23 PM

lpMaFXcCOOs
First Ever Vietnamese Made Naval Vessel

Englehart

October 15th, 2011, 04:58 PM

lock this thread na.....

:lock::lock::lock::lock::dj::guns1::carrot::carrot:

Englehart

October 15th, 2011, 04:58 PM

post away folks....

link to previous Thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=455536&page=578):banana::banana::banana:

TheAvenger

October 15th, 2011, 05:36 PM

More photos of BRP Gregorio del Pilar in the below Blog.

Em Esber Blog 2 :

http://jibraelangel2blog.blogspot.com/2011/10/brp-gregorio-del-pilar-at-keppel.html

spearhead

October 15th, 2011, 11:28 PM

^^Still in white paint, not much progress yet. Thanks for the photos emesber.

TheAvenger

October 15th, 2011, 11:47 PM

^^Still in white paint, not much progress yet. Thanks for the photos emesber.

welcome. btw some staffs in Keppel Drydock said that BRP Gregorio del Pilar will enter the drydock anytime this month.

lochinvar

October 16th, 2011, 07:52 AM

"Underscoring Japan's uphill battle in an increasingly heated race to control the skies over Asia, the air review came just a week after the country's entire F-15 fleet was ordered into its hangers for safety checks following a midair accident, the second such order in three months.

But in an effort to counterbalance big strides by China and Russia toward deploying new stealthy aircraft, Japan's Air Self-Defense Forces are about to get a multibillion dollar overhaul."

Ano, handa na ba ang Pilipinas na mamalimos ng used Japanese jet fighters?

gmaer

October 16th, 2011, 10:11 AM

Taiwan to deploy missiles in Spratlys (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=737804&publicationSubCategoryId=63)
By Jaime Laude (The Philippine Star) Updated October 16, 2011 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Taiwan has made known its plan to deploy an advanced air defense missile system in its occupied islet in the hotly contested West Philippine Sea.

As published in the Taiwanese media on Friday, Taiwan Defense Minister Kao Hua-chu said their Coast Guard units deployed on Itu Aba island in the Spratlys now need the Tien Chien I missiles in the area, apparently replacing its 1980s-era Chaparral missiles.

This is Taiwan’s response, the reports said, to its concerns that rival Spratly claimants have been continuously building up their arms in the disputed region.

Taiwanese legislator Lin Yu-fang, who fully supports the plan, said the proposed ground-to-air missile deployment would be legitimate.

Lin cited the ministry’s recent report on the military buildups by Vietnam and other neighboring countries in the area.

Lin said Vietnam has deployed thousands of Marines in the region with the backing of Russian-made SU-27SK and SU-30KM2 fighter jets, in contrast to the Taiwanese Coast Guard deployed at Itu Aba who are only equipped with 20-mm air defense guns.

The Taiwanese legislator also warned that in the event of a flare-up in the region, the Taiwanese Coast Guard could also hardly defend themselves against the Philippines, whose troops are equipped with naval gunboats.

Kao endorsed a proposal passed by the country’s defense committee Wednesday demanding Coast Guard units on Itu Aba and the Pratas islands - claimed by China - be armed with Tien Chien I missiles.

The United States appealed for calm Friday after learning that Taiwan had prepared to deploy missiles in the region over concerns that rival claimants to disputed islands are building up their arms.

“We encourage all claimants to resolve their disputes through peaceful means, in accordance with international law and without resorting to the threat or use of force,” Pentagon spokesman George Little told reporters.

China claims all of the South China Sea, including hundreds of Spratly islands and reefs.

Taiwan, Vietnam, Brunei, China, Malaysia and the Philippines claim all or part of the Spratlys, which could lie on top of large oil reserves, thus making the region a possible flashpoint of conflict.

The Taiwanese Coast Guard currently has a 130-strong garrison on Itu Aba, the biggest island in the Spratly archipelago. It has a modern military runway aside from military bunkers and houses.

The second biggest island, Pag-Asa, the center of the Kalayaan Island municipality, is occupied by Filipino troops with civilian residents as well.

A local senior security official, who asked not to be named, earlier warned that the exclusion of Taiwan in all the efforts of claimant-countries to resolve the territorial dispute peacefully, presents a major security debacle to the solution of the problem.

“Without Taiwan’s participation in all these talks, there is always a danger of a shooting war breaking out. Not us, nor Vietnam, Malaysia or Brunei starting it, but the Chinese and Taiwanese forces,” he said.

On the other hand, Mayor Eugenio Bito-onon, elected mayor of the Kalayaan Island municipality in the Spratlys, said Itu Aba is already outside of the country’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ).

He said Taiwan’s planned deployment of a missile system on the island is not such a big concern for now.

Bito-onon though admitted he was also alarmed by the development, saying he has been monitoring frequent landings of a Taiwanese C-130 Hercules plane on Itu Aba.

“Maybe the Taiwanese government just wants to boost the morale of their troops while at the same time show its resolve to defend its territorial claim,” Bito-onon said.

If the Taiwanese missile deployment pushes through, Bito-onon said local security forces would now be on the lookout for possible incursions of Taiwanese soldiers in the 47 still unoccupied islets near Itu Aba, all within the country’s EEZ.

The Defense department and the leadership of the Armed Forces’ Western Command (Wescom) declined to comment on the issue.

Wescom has security jurisdiction over the country’s territory in the West Philippine Sea.

A combined Philippine-US naval exercise dubbed Phiblex (amphibious landing exercises) is slated to be held later this month at an undisclosed area in the West Philippine Sea.

kenken94

October 16th, 2011, 11:01 AM

^^ Should we take that as a compliment or as mockery? Is Taiwan's coastguard that weak? I don't expect so. Well, I can still be proven wrong.

Sou-jiro

October 16th, 2011, 12:33 PM

Taiwan's Defense capability as well as coastguard is and is not as weak as they project themselves. At least at present time more advance than ours and may even rival that of Vietnam if not more.

I don't know how much they're annual budget for Defense capability but I think It can surpass most ASEAN countries with the exception of Singapore and maybe another country.

anyway what the real possibility of AFP getting a donated Pohang class frigate from S.Korea.

lol maybe AFP will rename it BRP Ryan Bang.. :D

Arvor

October 16th, 2011, 12:55 PM

It should be named after whoever the commanding or most decorated officer was of the Phillippine forces in the Korean war ... .

Taiwan definetely has a military as advanced as Singapore but larger than Singapore overall in terms of equipment and definetely ahead of any ASEAN country in overall budget or capability, but it's military capability is slightly degrading and it's soldiers or forces effectiveness aswell has come under some doubt's in recent years .

kenken94

October 16th, 2011, 12:57 PM

BRP Fidel Ramos?

kalbongdad

October 16th, 2011, 01:00 PM

i think the one that figured prominently was one with the surname OJEDA....medyo nabasa ko ang libro ng PEFTOK Phil expeditionary forces to korea....

Arvor

October 16th, 2011, 01:13 PM

Yeah but Ramos is still alive and it might not be a good idea to have an ex presidents name on a ship that might get sunk in some conflict lol baka pagtripan lang nila just because of the name, should just be a Phillippine armed forces hero of the Korean war that isn't an ex president .

These look appropriate

The Battle of Yultong, also known as the Battle of Meiluodong (Chinese: 美罗洞战斗; pinyin: Měiluódòng Zhàndòu), was a battle of the Korean War. It was fought between elements of the Chinese People's Volunteer Army 44th Division and the Filipino 10th Battalion Combat Team ( commanded by Col. Dionisio S. Ojeda ) (BCT) at the north of Yeoncheon during April 22–23, 1951.[5]

As part of the First Chinese Spring Offensive, the Chinese 44th Division attacked the US 65th Infantry Regiment of the US 3rd Infantry Division near Yeoncheon on the night of April 22. The Filipino 10th BCT, part of the 65th Infantry Regiment, was soon trapped at the Yultong area by 23:00. Although the 10th BCT had lost all contacts with the outside world, the Filipinos held their position until the Chinese stopped their attacks on the morning of April 23. The 10th BCT's action at Yultong allowed the US 3rd Infantry Division to successfully withdraw from the battlefield.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yultong_Bridge

The Battle of Hill Eerie refers to several Korean War engagements between the United Nations forces and the Chinese Communist Forces (CCF) in 1952 at the infamous Hill Eerie.

In May 1952, the 20th Philippine Battalion Combat Team, under the command of Colonel Salvador Abcede, engaged the Chinese forces at the town of Karhwagol, west of Chorwon; they were also involved in other major battles and assaults against the Chinese forces.

There were numerous closely fought battles on Hill Eerie, as well as on Hills 18, 200, and 19, ('Yoke', 'Uncle' and 'Old Baldy'), all in the T-Bone Hill area, but later the 20th were committed to the Pork Chop Hill area and in Alligator Jaws.

Hill Eerie was a military outpost that changed hands many times and was a heavily fortified position with a commanding view of the plains below.

A series of raids were launched by the Filipinos, from May 18, led by Lieutenant Rodolfo Maestro, killing 28 CCF and a further 23 the next day, before disengaging with the enemy while tanks and artillery continued to bombard the outpost.

On May 21, 1952, Colonel Abcede ordered Major Felizardo Tanabe, the battalion's operations officer, to prepare the final assault on the Chinese position after several attempts to capture the outpost. Tanabe sent the 44-man 2nd reconnaissance platoon to sabotage the position.

The platoon was led by a young Filipino officer, a 1950 graduate of West Point's United States Military Academy, 2nd Lieutenant Fidel V. Ramos (future President of the Philippines).

Ramos divided the assault team into four groups of snipers, riflemen, scouts and forward observers, each with a radio operator, a messenger and a medic. The platoon was reinforced by some engineer demolition specialists and an artillery observer team. They left at 04:07.

The Filipino platoon crawled through rice paddies and scattered trees for two hours before it reach an irrigation ditch, about 400 meters from the top of the hill. Intelligence estimated the enemy strength to be one reinforced platoon of the Chinese Red Army.

The United States Air Force sent seven F-86 Sabre jet fighters to pound the enemy positions with napalm. There was also artillery support. After the bombardment, Ramos' men seized the front part of the trench network after discovering a hole in the blasted stack of barbed wire.

Close-quarter fighting raged as the retreating enemy fought back but the advancing Filipinos were gaining the upper hand. The scout team, led by Corporal Jose Palis, went into action on the right of the hill and was later joined by Lieutenant Ramos. Meanwhile, the rifle team, led by Sergeant Cipriano Drapeza, worked its way round to the left side of the hill while the sniper team, led by Second Lieutenant Armando Dizon, held the enemy's support from nearby Hill 191.

By 07:28, the Filipinos had demolished the Chinese bunkers and withdrawn from the top of the hill. Friendly tanks resumed their bombardment of Hill Eerie.

The assault lasted for two hours, Ramos' men suffered one injury while the Chinese had 11 dead, 10 wounded, whether from the supporting artillery, tanks and air strikes could not be determined. The battle was the final assault on Hill Eerie by the United Nations forces.

The Filipino battalion was replaced by the 2nd Battalion of the 179th United States Infantry.

On June 16, 1952, the 19th Philippine Battalion Combat Team, under the command of Colonel Ramon Z. Aquirre, relieved the American battalion in the T-Bone ridge sector.

By June 18, the Chinese forces sought to recapture the area and launched an intense artillery and mortar barrage. The Filipinos held their ground and were able to repulse the Chinese attack.

On June 20, the Chinese forces launched another attack towards Hill Eerie and the rest of the T-Bone ridge area. At dawn, the Chinese had advanced sufficiently to engage in hand-to-hand fighting but the Filipino troops were able to hold the position.

By morning, the artillery battle continued but the allied forces successfully defended Hills Eerie and 191. As a result of the battle it was estimated that the CCF suffered 500 casualties while the Filipinos had 24.

The Filipino battalion was later relieved by the US 2nd Infantry Division on July 18, 1952.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hill_Eerie

Alinghi

October 16th, 2011, 02:58 PM

we already have a "BRP Dionisio Ojeda" (PG-117 Tomas Batillo-class ex-Chamsuri-class PKM)

hakz2007

October 17th, 2011, 06:15 AM

Do we have a missile interceptor? :D

Philippines unfazed by Taiwan missile plan
MANILA - The Philippines said Sunday it was prepared to defend its claims in the South China Sea, but downplayed a plan by Taiwan to deploy missiles in the area.
Defence department spokesman Zosimo Jesus Paredes said the country enjoyed good relations with Taiwan and believed its plan to supply missiles to coastguard units in the areas it claims was not a threat to the Philippines. “We cannot dictate Taiwan on what or what not to do,” Paredes told reporters. More: http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2011/10/philippines-unfazed-by-taiwan-missile-plan/

Taiwan missiles in Spratlys?
Be my guest, says military
THE defense department yesterday said it is not bothered by Taiwan’s plan to deploy advance missile systems at the Spratly Islands in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea) for as long as Taipei does not encroach in the territories of other claimant-countries.

"If they are just to protect their interest, there is no problem," said Zosimo Paredes, spokesman of the Department of National Defense. More: http://www.malaya.com.ph/oct17/news7.html

pi_malejana

October 17th, 2011, 07:53 AM

^^ what is DND supposed to say?? it's not like we have a shield or missile frigate; meron tayo kwitis...:D

915bungohunter

October 17th, 2011, 08:59 AM

http://www.saipantribune.com/newsstory.aspx?cat=3&newsID=113403
New naval muscle for the Philippines

http://www.saipantribune.com/contact.aspx?user_num=15

By Ed Stephens Jr.
Special to the Saipan Tribune
As Saipan watches the west Pacific military situation evolving all around us, here's a story that will interest many residents: Over the past few weeks the Philippine navy has scored at least one, and maybe even two, additions to its fleet. The first one is a former U.S. Coast Guard Hamilton-class cutter. The second I'll chalk as a “maybe” given that only a couple of blogs are reporting the story, namely that South Korea is donating a Pohang-class corvette to the Philippines.

So, avast ye' mates, let's do some armchair sailing and take a look at this.

This comes along at a good time for the Republic of the Philippines, which has a whole lot of coast to patrol to begin with, and which is now facing increasingly contested waters. Yet the R.P. doesn't have a lot of money to throw at the situation. Depending on whose numbers you believe, they spend around $1.8 billion annually on defense.

To put that in perspective, that's roughly the cost of just one new U.S. destroyer at the cheap end of things, and as for the not-cheap end of things, don't even ask. More context: $1.8 billion is less than half of what neighboring Malaysia spends on defense, and it's about one-third of what Thailand spends. The Philippines has a far smaller economy than either of those nations, I'll note.

Anyway, the point is that the Philippines has a lot of waters to look after, but not much money to float a fleet on.

In August, a retired U.S. Coast Guard cutter arrived in Manila Bay. It's now dubbed the BRP Gregorio Del Pilar and it's now the largest ship in the Philippine navy. It's a substantial ship, with 3,390 tons of displacement, it pretty much looks like a smallish frigate.

I don't know if this class of ship has a sonar, I've read varying accounts.

Its main weapon is the Otobreda 76-mm cannon (that's about three inches in diameter), and some smaller guns as well. If you get bored this weekend run a Youtube search for the Otobreda 76mm, there are some live-fire videos up there. Come to think of it, I'll post a link at my website for your clicking convenience. The rapid-fire Otobreda makes that stuff at the Last Command Post look a bit dated, eh?

The Hamilton-class cutters can also accommodate a helicopter. Hey, now we're talking!

I've seen accounts that the Philippines might receive more such ships, but I don't know what's really in the works for that.

OK, now for a recent rumor, or at least a story that isn't widely carried, that there's a South Korean Pohang-class corvette being donated to the Philippines.

Now this is a whole different animal than the Hamilton-class cutter, and it's also something new to me, so I'm inclined to dwell on it. After all, the Pohang-class looks like it packs more weapons into less space than anything else I've ever seen, or even read about.

First of all, we're talking a very small ship here. About 1,220 tons. Tiny. Such is the domain of corvettes; they are small, and, in fact, the U.S. Navy doesn't even use them. But, second of all, these little fellows are loaded to the gills with weapons, including either Harpoon or Exocet cruise missiles, and most have two (two!) of those Otobreda 76-mm cannons I just told you about, and they also tote six Mark 46 torpedoes, and the Mark 46 is no bargain-basement special, by the way, but is instead a very serious piece of hardware.

And I'm not done yet. For close-in sessions with nosy neighbors, there are, depending on the model, either twin 30mm or twin 40mm cannons.

Holy smokes! All of that is packed into a vessel smaller than most fishing boats I've worked on.

They also employ hull-mounted sonar for anti-submarine operations. And, speaking of subs, it was allegedly a North Korean submarine that sunk a Pohang-class corvette, the Cheonan, in March of last year.

How does this floating arms bazaar even move? They stuffed a giant LM2500 jet engine in it, that's how. Anyway, though I don't really know anything about these tiny ships, they speak to me: They're all muscle, and all business.

That's the kind of thing you'd expect from the Koreans, whose warship engineering tradition dates back to the late 1500's. Yes, really.

Alas, we'll just have to see if this Pohang-class donation rumor is true.

Such is my regularly irregular look at our region's emerging military situation. So our virtual voyage is over. I'll take off my plastic eye-patch now, and I'll offer a barrel of grog to the entire crew, even to landlubbers and scalawags.

spearhead

October 17th, 2011, 01:32 PM

Philippines unfazed by Taiwan Spratlys missile plan

MANILA—The Philippines said Sunday it was prepared to defend its claims in the South China Sea, but downplayed a plan by Taiwan to deploy missiles in the area.

The island of Kalayaan, which means "Freedom" in the Filipino language, that was created in 1978 mainly to assert the Philippines' claim to the disputed territory in the Spratlys, a chain of islets in the West Philippine Sea. AFP/Kayalaan Municipal office
Defence department spokesman Zosimo Jesus Paredes said the country enjoyed good relations with Taiwan and believed its plan to supply missiles to coastguard units in the areas it claims was not a threat to the Philippines.
“We cannot dictate on Taiwan on what or what not to do,” Paredes told reporters. “For as long as they don’t occupy what we already occupy, we have no problem. Live and let live.”
However, he said Manila was prepared to “defend to the hilt” islets it has already occupied in the Spraltys.
But when asked whether Manila considered a move towards aggression, he said: “Not really… we should not be over reactive.”
Paredes stressed the government still believed in pursuing a peaceful solution, but stressed Taiwan’s move might be misunderstood by some claimants as provocative.
He said Taiwan’s move could be seen as “unsettling” by other claimants to the area, stressing that it should have officially informed them of its plan so as not to escalate tensions.
“I think moves like these should be coordinated (with other claimants) so that we will not be taken aback,” he said.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/15499/phi...ys-missile-plan

spearhead

October 17th, 2011, 01:33 PM

hakz2007

October 18th, 2011, 05:08 AM

Philippines, US downplay war drill tensions
MANILA: A total of 3,000 Marines — 2,000 from the US and 1,000 from the Philippines — started on Monday their annual “war games” on Palawan island near the disputed Spratlys in the South China Sea, according to a top officer of the Armed Forces of the Philippines.

However, Brigadier General Eugene Clemen, the head of the Philippine contingent, pointed out the military exercises have nothing to do with the Philippines dispute with China and other nations over the Spratly island group which experts have confirmed to be rich in fisheries and mineral resources such as petroleum. More: http://gulftoday.ae/portal/ebc0f573-8c8a-42f3-a126-74b9c63819cb.aspx

xxxriainxxx

October 18th, 2011, 08:22 AM

San ba nagsimula ang tsismis regarding the Pohang corvette? Kung magdonate ba sa atin ng siguro mga limang ganun kasama missiles, kakainin ko lahat ang sinabi ko against sa mga Koreano at magsasayaw pa ako ng Nobody but you. Provided sa atin lang sila magdonate at hinde sa ibang bansa na may claim din sa Kalayaan.

Ekweng

October 18th, 2011, 11:49 AM

Dito nagsimula ang chismis na yan:

Po Hang Retires To The Tropics
South Korea is donating one of its recently retired Po Hang class corvettes to the Philippines Navy. The Po Hangs are 1,200 ton warships that first entered service in 1984. Since then 24 have been built. Each is armed with four Harpoon anti-ship missiles, one 76mm cannon; two twin 40mm automatic cannon, six torpedo tubes and twelve depth charges. The crew of 95 also operates radar and sonar. Top speed is 59 kilometers an hour. Two Po Hangs have been retired so far, and one was sunk by a North Korean torpedo last year.
The Philippines is an island nation, with 7,100 islands to defend. Long crippled by corruption and bad government, the Philippines have never had much money to spend on the military (or anything else.) Wealthier nations have found it good diplomacy to donate military equipment to the Philippines. The Filipinos appreciate it; because donated military gear is something the thieving politicians have a hard time stealing.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htproc/articles/20111011.aspx

News coming from this site is not always reliable. Kung magdodonate ka, kelangan mo pa bang manglait? At ang kaisa-isang decomissioned ng Korea ay naidonate na sa Columbia. Kaya kung totoo ito, di ba dapat sa gobyerno nila direkta natin marinig ang balita? Kahit nga Philippine army yang link na yan ang ginawang basis. Hay nako, kawawa naman ang pinas. asang asa nalang sa donasyon.

xxxriainxxx

October 18th, 2011, 12:16 PM

^^ Oh yeah, nakita ko kanina, ginoogle ko... Sana nga. Pasama na din ng missiles. :D

Nanflexal

October 18th, 2011, 12:38 PM

Wealthier nations have found it good diplomacy to donate military equipment to the Philippines. The Filipinos appreciate it; because donated military gear is something the thieving politicians have a hard time stealing.

Very well said. kodos to the writer. :nuts:

Ekweng

October 18th, 2011, 12:54 PM

^^ Oh yeah, nakita ko kanina, ginoogle ko... Sana nga. Pasama na din ng missiles. :D

Naku malamang sa malamang di kasama ang Harpoons. Pero yung kanyon, yan malamang kasama yan kung magkatotoo itong chismis which I doubt.

GodIsNotGreat

October 18th, 2011, 09:04 PM

Dito nagsimula ang chismis na yan:

The Philippines is an island nation, with 7,100 islands to defend. Long crippled by corruption and bad government, the Philippines have never had much money to spend on the military (or anything else.) Wealthier nations have found it good diplomacy to donate military equipment to the Philippines. The Filipinos appreciate it; because donated military gear is something the thieving politicians have a hard time stealing.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htproc/articles/20111011.aspx

Grabe condescending language.

Animo

October 19th, 2011, 12:30 AM

By Alexis Romero (The Philippine Star) (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=734372&publicationSubCategoryId=63)

http://www.que.es/archivos/201110/4100358w-365xXx80.jpg

MANILA, Philippines - The Philippines and Spain have agreed to boost their defense ties through exchange of information and the enhancement of their security capabilities.

Philippine and Spanish defense officials signed on Monday a memorandum of understanding that seeks to enhance bilateral relations between the two countries through the exchange of experiences and knowledge.

Constantino Méndez Martínez, vice-minister of defense of Spain, said the agreement would allow the two countries to adapt to the changes in the international security landscape.

“The relationship between Spain and the Philippines has been strong but there is a need for a new legal instrument or relationship that is more suitable to emerging realities,” Martinez told The STAR last Tuesday.

“This memorandum of agreement is an appropriate way to enhance our cooperation,” he added.

The MOU was signed by Martinez and Philippine Defense Undersecretary Honorio Azcueta in the Department of National Defense (DND) office in Camp Aguinaldo, Quezon City.

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin and Spanish Ambassador to the Philippines Jorge Domecq Fernández de Bobadilla witnessed the event.

Martinez said the agreement would also involve industrial cooperation among members of the defense sector and the conduct of training. He said representatives of some Spanish firms supplying defense equipment are in the Philippines to introduce themselves and to show what they can offer.

“The agreement would also provide for exchange of expertise and information as well as the enhancement of trainings and capability building,” he said.

When asked if Spain was open to signing a mutual defense treaty with the Philippines, Martinez said: “The beauty of the MOU signed is this could lead to further agreements like what you just stated.”

Martinez cited the need for Spain, the Philippines and other countries in the world to work together against terrorism and other security threats....

ManilaBoy45

October 19th, 2011, 02:08 AM

PN Patrol Ship PS-74 'RAMS' a Chinese vessel near Reed Bank forcing it to flee, the article says it was an accident but how would China react to this incident...

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=738940&publicationSubCategoryId=63&newsalert

http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m335/filipinas40/PS-74.jpg

PS-74 as seen during a naval exercise...

Askal82

October 19th, 2011, 02:16 AM

^^ So napatakot pala natin ang mga yan kahit aksidente lang dahil sira sira na ang steering mechanism ng barko. :lol:

gaLj

October 19th, 2011, 03:05 AM

^^ So napatakot pala natin ang mga yan kahit aksidente lang dahil sira sira na ang steering mechanism ng barko. :lol:

takot daw sila sa tetanus special coating ng mga naval assets natin :lol:

Lilyr

October 19th, 2011, 05:05 AM

The Chinese built a 2.5 million dollar yaht, that sank. I think the Philipinos have a chance if they can keep there boats a float... (http://news.yahoo.com/philippines-unfazed-taiwan-spratlys-missile-plan-071712980.html)

$2.5. million Chinese yacht goes straight down on its maiden voyage (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/2-5-million-chinese-yacht-goes-straight-down-161517593.html)

:lol:So all hope is not lost if worse comes to worst. Although, this might become a staring contest, which one will blink, or should I say sink first:rofl:

The Philippines will boast and bluster but when it comes to fighting they will run behind the mantle of the United States and cower. They are a bunch of clowns with a pre-WW1 navy and 15 30 year old fighter jets for an Air Force.

Aww... Ouch. But it's WW2 actually!
And we do have an Air Force nicknamed the Great Flying Coffins!!!

Askal82

October 19th, 2011, 05:41 AM

$2.5. million Chinese yacht goes straight down on its maiden voyage (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/2-5-million-chinese-yacht-goes-straight-down-161517593.html)

:lol:So all hope is not lost if worse comes to worst. Although, this might become a staring contest, which one will blink, or should I say sink first:rofl:

Aww... Ouch. But it's WW2 actually!
And we do have an Air Force nicknamed the Great Flying Coffins!!!

Maybe it's a submarine they're planning to build and not a boat.

Well, made in China. :lol:

pi_malejana

October 19th, 2011, 08:45 AM

this is just sad...:ohno:
RIP to the soldiers and hope the missing ones don't end up like those marines back in 2007...

AFP: 8 soldiers held hostage in MILF territory in Basilan
10/19/2011 | 12:13 PM | GMA News (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/235873/regions/afp-8-soldiers-held-hostage-in-milf-territory-in-basilan)

(Updated 1:30 p.m.) Only eight of the 10 Army soldiers who were earlier reported missing after a clash with an armed group in Basilan have been held hostage inside Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) territory in the province, a military official said Wednesday afternoon.

Armed Forces of the Philippines public affairs office chief Arnulfo Burgos confirmed in a later report that only eight soldiers are being held captive and not 10.

...

The soldiers were captured on Tuesday by an armed group led by fugitive Dan Laksaw Asnawi after they clashed in Albarka town. At least 13 soldiers were killed and 12 others were wounded during the firefight.

...

RonnieR

October 19th, 2011, 09:54 AM

PH Navy chief eyes 2nd US warship
by Rodney Jaleco, ABS-CBN News North America Bureau
Posted at 10/19/2011 2:13 PM | Updated as of 10/19/2011 2:13 PM

WASHINGTON D.C.--The Philippine Navy will likely get its second Hamilton-class cutter next year, boosting its capability to patrol the country’s maritime borders even as it races to finally acquire missiles for its ships.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/10/19/11/ph-navy-chief-eyes-2nd-us-warship

arcabe

October 19th, 2011, 10:12 AM

kalbongdad

October 19th, 2011, 10:27 AM

sooner daw than later......o sya...bka paglabas ni goyo sa keppel shipyard may missiles na....

gmaer

October 19th, 2011, 02:16 PM

Navy ship scares off Chinese towing boat (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=738940&publicationSubCategoryId=63)
By Jaime Laude and Marichu Villanueva (The Philippine Star) Updated October 19, 2011 12:00 AM

http://64.19.142.11/img163.imageshack.us/img163/1750/brprizalps74gen1.jpg
Photo provided by the Philippine Navy PIO shows the patrol ship BRP Rizal (PS-74), which was involved in an accident with a Chinese vessel near Recto Bank yesterday.

MANILA, Philippines - An “accidental” collision with a Navy gunboat on patrol in the West Philippine Sea yesterday forced a large Chinese fishing vessel to beat a hasty retreat, leaving behind 25 smaller boats it was towing.

Navy chief Vice Admiral Alexander Pama confirmed the “freak” incident in the vicinity of Recto Bank but said Maj. Gen. Juancho Sabban, commander of the Western Command (Wescom), has the details of the incident. Wescom has jurisdiction over the waters covering the Recto Bank.

“It was really an accident, not a hostile act when our ship was verifying the activity of the (Chinese) shipping boat,” Pama told The STAR from the US where he was on an official trip. He stressed the Navy gunboat experienced steering difficulty.

The Chinese embassy has been informed of the incident, but the embassy spokesman said it has yet to confirm the report.

“We have no report on that. We will verify,” said Deputy Chief of Political Section and spokesman Sun Yi.

“It happened at about 6 a.m. within the vicinity of the Recto Bank involving our own PS-74 and a Chinese mother ship,” Sabban told The STAR in a telephone interview.

“Our ship went to their direction to check as we normally do,” Pama also said.

Recto Bank is within the country’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ) but is also among the islets in the hotly contested Spratlys Group, also being claimed in whole or in part by China, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan.

Sabban said the Navy’s PS-74 chanced upon the Chinese vessels and made a maneuver to take a closer look.

“As our patrolling ship was approaching to check on the encroaching Chinese vessels, it incurred a steering problem and accidentally hit the mother ship of the Chinese fishermen,” Sabban said.

He said big waves affected the ship’s steering, causing it to move uncontrollably toward the Chinese vessels. After being rammed by the Navy gunboat, the Chinese vessel quickly disengaged and released the smaller boats.

“After cutting the towing line, the mother ship fled, leaving behind 25 sampans it was towing,” Sabban said.

With its steering problem fixed, the gunboat towed the Chinese boats to Hulugan Bay in Palawan.

But Pama said reports reaching him indicated that the captain of the Chinese vessel, thinking that the PS-74 was approaching to ram his boat, released the smaller boats and hurriedly sailed away.

“So the fishing ship captain cut the towing ropes. So it was not a big accident really,” Pama said.

Sabban also stressed there was no intention on the part of the patrolling Navy gunboat to harm or harass the Chinese fishing vessels and its crewmembers.

The PS-74 returned to its port intact. “It was just a minor derangement,” Pama said.

No Chinese fisherman was arrested, the Navy chief disclosed.

Pama is in Newport, Rhode Island for the International Sea Power Symposia. He is presenting the Philippine papers at the symposia attended by chiefs of navies of 65 countries.

He left Sunday and will return to Manila this weekend.

The Department of Foreign Affairs called the incident “a little accident.”

“The Chinese vessel strayed into our waters. As a result of the accident, the Chinese vessel left behind some small fishing boats in our possession, which we may consider returning,” DFA spokesperson Raul Hernandez said.

Yesterday’s incident happened a day after the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) officially opened an annual joint naval drill in the country.

Dubbed as PHEBLIX (Amphibious Landing Exercises 2011), the joint naval drill would be held in an undisclosed area in the West Philippine Sea on Wednesday next week.

At least 1,000 Filipino Marines and 2,000 US servicemen are taking part in this year’s joint naval drill being conducted on a yearly basis in line with the Mutual Defense Treaty (MDT) between the Philippines and the US.

In March this year, two Chinese gunboats harassed a civilian research vessel commissioned by the Department of Energy (DOE) to conduct research and seismic studies in the Reed Bank Basin.

The two Chinese gunboats were forced to leave the area when Wescom dispatched its OV-10 bombers in response to the distress calls from the DOE research vessel.

The Spratly Islands Group is considered a potential regional flashpoint but there are ongoing efforts to resolve the territorial disputes peacefully.

Taiwan, considered a renegade province by China, has made known its plan to install an advance missile system in Itu Aba, the biggest island in the island group that it occupies.

The second biggest island, Pag-Asa is occupied by Filipino troops. – Pia Lee-Brago

spearhead

October 19th, 2011, 03:16 PM

Yeeeaaah woot woot! :D
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PH Navy chief eyes 2nd US warship

by Rodney Jaleco, ABS-CBN News North America Bureau
Posted at 10/19/2011 2:13 PM | Updated as of 10/19/2011 2:13 PM

WASHINGTON D.C.--The Philippine Navy will likely get its second Hamilton-class cutter next year, boosting its capability to patrol the country’s maritime borders even as it races to finally acquire missiles for its ships.

But Vice Adm. Alexander Pama, Navy Flag Officer-in-Command (FOIC), said the bigger challenge is not in getting the new weapons the Philippine Navy needs but in improving its “absorptive capacity” to operate and maintain them.

“We have to consider everything,” he told ABS-CBN News. “Buying equipment is the easiest thing to do. The more difficult part is the capability of people because for so long we were concentrated on helping in the counter-insurgency effort. Now we’re shifting to external defense and a conventional navy. That needs a re-adjustment of the skills of our people and that doesn’t happen overnight.”

Meanwhile, the Navy chief downplayed the “freak” collision of a Philippine patrol ship with a Chinese fishing fleet “mother ship” near Recto Bank earlier this week. The patrol ship, reportedly the World War II-vintage BRP Rizal, was trying to take a closer look at the Chinese vessel when it experienced a problem with its rudder, Pama explained.

“It was an accident,” he stressed, adding that the BRP Rizal was investigating reports of poachers in the area. Recto Bank lies about 80 miles northwest of Palawan and is well within the country’s economic zone.

Pama was on his way to the biennial Sea Power Symposium in Newport, Rhode Island where he will address about 70 chiefs of navies from all over the world on “maritime terrorism”. The event is organized by the US Navy.

He stopped briefly in Washington DC to brief think tank groups on the state of the Philippine Navy and naval challenges in the South China Sea.

At the Sea Power Symposium, Pama said he will be sharing the Philippine Navy’s “best practices” in combating terrorism at sea. “They can see that we’re doing something right there and it’s something we can share with the other navies,” he said.

As former commander of Task Force Stingray, an elite naval force created following the string of Abu Sayyaf attacks on beach resorts, he stressed the need to pre-empt terrorists while they’re still on land.

“You don’t address the event itself because by that time it would be too late. Maritime terrorism starts on land,” he said, adding that since Task Force Stingray was established the Abu Sayyaf was never able to replicate the kind of raids it launched on Sipadan Island or the Dos Palmas resort.

But as the Philippine Navy’s focus turn increasingly on the Spratly Islands and the country’s need to tap its vast resources, Pama stressed that "no matter what and no matter with what, we will carry out our mandate even if all we can do is spit on them.”

Pama said they are laying down plans to upgrade the Philippine Navy’s capabilities all the way to the end President Aquino’s term. “The President said he can not commit for the next administration so we’re concentrating on the ‘doables’ and on what the economy can support,” he explained.

Rear Admiral Orwen Cortez, Philippine Navy vice commander, is scheduled to visit the US in early November to inspect another Hamilton-class all-weather high-endurance cutter (WHEC) that could be retired and turned over to the Philippines next year.

A first Hamilton-class cutter was turned over earlier this year and is now deployed with forces patrolling western Palawan.

The third Hamilton-class cutter is projected to be acquired by the Philippine Navy in 2013.

Pama also revealed that they are now preparing to acquire some missile technology. The Philippine military is the only one in Southeast Asia that still does not have missiles. “It’s in the drawing board. I can’t say when but if things turn out as planned, it will be more sooner than later,” he told ABS-CBN News.

Despite recent irritants over the Spratlys dispute, Pama said he was convinced that competing countries were committed to a peaceful resolution of their overlapping claims. “I wouldn’t say it’s getting more dangerous; there are just issues and challenges confronting everybody. I can say the neighborhood has states that are responsible enough. No nation, at least within ASEAN, is out there to make trouble.”

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino...-2nd-us-warship

d7beast

October 19th, 2011, 03:54 PM

this is just sad...:ohno:
RIP to the soldiers and hope the missing ones don't end up like those marines back in 2007...

AFP: 8 soldiers held hostage in MILF territory in Basilan
10/19/2011 | 12:13 PM | GMA News (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/235873/regions/afp-8-soldiers-held-hostage-in-milf-territory-in-basilan)

this is just very sad i want this peace talk be our last hope for peace with the MILF,..how come these special forces and rangers were routed?i think we need those close air support fast maybe a pair of cobras will be more effective when fighting the guerilla war with the NPAs or the MILFs,..while the corrupt generals think of their next prey to steal, good soldiers become "short timers" in the battlefield, we need to execute one corrupt general as wages of those loses,..

monsy

October 19th, 2011, 04:16 PM

spearhead

October 19th, 2011, 04:26 PM

Twenty dead in Philippines clashes
30 minutes ago - Reuters 1:11 | 0 views
Secessionist rebels clash with the Philippine army, leaving 20 dead. Sunita Rappai reports.
http://ph.news.yahoo.com/video/world-26298012/twenty-dead-in-philippines-clashes-26999613.html

Lilyr

October 19th, 2011, 05:44 PM

Grabe condescending language.

Not for me. Since when has the government not been corrupt and incompetent?
Ok maybe not always competent. Ever wonder why we have the weakest forces in Asia?
Respect is earned, not demanded even in the international arena.
I think we should learn not to be so onion-skinnned. The statements were most likely an opinon of the writer and it does have truth in it, whether we admit it or not.
And it's not like it's an official gazette or anything, it's more like a blog. That just happens to share views.

Nanflexal

October 19th, 2011, 10:04 PM

this is just very sad i want this peace talk be our last hope for peace with the MILF,..how come these special forces and rangers were routed?i think we need those close air support fast maybe a pair of cobras will be more effective when fighting the guerilla war with the NPAs or the MILFs,..while the corrupt generals think of their next prey to steal, good soldiers become "short timers" in the battlefield, we need to execute one corrupt general as wages of those loses,..

they don't understand science hehehehe.

Lilyr

October 20th, 2011, 01:10 AM

Dang...:eek:

http://s4.postimage.org/q19kzvyv3/299943_170735069679749_100002297720773_343318_13.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/USPacificFleet)

"The Black Eagles, an aerobatic team of T-50 jets belonging to South Korea's Air Force, fly in formation during the opening of the Seoul International Aerospace and Defense Exhibition 2011 at the Seoul Military Airport in Seongnam, south of Seoul, on October 18, 2011. The exhibition opened on October 18 providing marketing opportunities for defense contractors and for diplomacy among military leaders on hand, organizers said." Park Ji-Hwan, AFP/Getty Images

Buti pa SK. Dati inggit sila sa atin...ngayon...
May maibebenta kaya sila nyan?:bowtie::nuts:

kalbongdad

October 20th, 2011, 01:52 AM

speaking of the 19 dead soldiers.....the government should avenge them.....ng hindi na pamarisan....but listening to the wimpy words of atty Leonen..the peace panel guy?...i get the impression the wimpy admin of pnoy will not do anything about it...it will just study, review and make plans of the sort....

if there is one thing...that i liked about erap was his all out war against the milf that he succeeded in overtaking their camps including their biggest...camp abubakar...sana makinig itong si pnoy kay erap....

lochinvar

October 20th, 2011, 02:08 AM

Let's not be too emotional. Erap did indeed took Camp Abubakar. But taking land compared to taking out the problem are too different matter. It's best to eradicate the problem.

Tagaroog

October 20th, 2011, 02:27 AM

Buti pa si Erap sinubukan, hindi nya natapos, pero kahit paano sinubukan nya, at nakuha ng Army ang Camp Abu. Ang hirap kasi sa iba, iniisip pa lang meron na agad silang resulta.

Lilyr

October 20th, 2011, 02:32 AM

Let's not be too emotional. Erap did indeed took Camp Abubakar. But taking land compared to taking out the problem are too different matter. It's best to eradicate the problem.

True but Pnoy is either clueless or too gutless to do either - eradicate the problem and/or take out camps.:|

Askal82

October 20th, 2011, 02:49 AM

Let's not be too emotional. Erap did indeed took Camp Abubakar. But taking land compared to taking out the problem are too different matter. It's best to eradicate the problem.

and the problem is really them. So you're right they should have been eradicated.

absinthe_888

October 20th, 2011, 04:12 AM

All-out war na kasi dapat gawin at ginag@go lang ng MILF ang PHL government. Meron pang nalalaman na "Lost Command" at "Rogue Elements" pwe...isloated incident lang daw, hello lagi nalang ganan sinasabi nila.

Ubusin at pulbusin lahat yan, then let them beg the PHL government for peace.

lochinvar

October 20th, 2011, 04:24 AM

"and the problem is really them. So you're right they should have been eradicated."

You're talking from your perspective as a non-Muslim which is understandable.

arcabe

October 20th, 2011, 04:31 AM

mga kasama meron pa lang bagong rules and guidelines regarding posting ng mga news article.:)

arcabe

October 20th, 2011, 04:45 AM

mga kasama meron pa lang bagong rules and guidelines regarding posting ng mga news article.:)

ito pala ang link..

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1435450

Parchie

October 20th, 2011, 05:05 AM

"and the problem is really them. So you're right they should have been eradicated."

You're talking from your perspective as a non-Muslim which is understandable.

Looking back, I can see these things developing a long time ago. The last time I heard an all-out war really done was during Marcos Martial Law years. (Matunog ang pangalang "Major Edon" noon sa So. Cotabato, Maj. Edon T. Yap). That was in the mid 70's!

Add some 30 years or so, and you can imagine how matured those Muslim children who were orphaned because of that war are right now! Those small kids are capable of taking up arms and if the government failed to assuage their feelings and made improvements on relations with these hurt people, we're in for a chaotic future.

"ZukiChirO"

October 20th, 2011, 01:06 PM

Dapat si ERAP ang Defense Sec....Wla nang papalag pag si Erap ang nag salita :D

sairoangel

October 20th, 2011, 02:01 PM

Dapat si ERAP ang Defense Sec....Wla nang papalag pag si Erap ang nag salita :D

Presidente nalang ulit..:)

d7beast

October 20th, 2011, 02:42 PM

i hate this government including the president but what i admire him for one and only is his resolve to make peace with the MILF,..our country is not prepared to eradicate these main rebel group as they are on a guerilla warfare and they fiercely attack when the odds are in their enemy's side. i just wonder how the special forces has been routed as they number 100 soldiers. the MILF does not have heavy weaponry but very experience in combat and very familiar with the place. i think that over half of those special forces are inexperience in combat, as per the account, some started running during the onset of the firefight, well big mistake,..they should have entrenched in where their last position is taking advantage of the available cover which is the vegetation,..i really admire those were martyred while fighting until they run out of reason to fight,..anyhow, both sides carry the same genes in their blood and it is very sad,..they both demonstrate the bravery of the filipinos and nothing else for any other reason why the fighting will never stop and peace as elusive as the dreams of every filipinos especially the mindanaoans,..

dc88

October 20th, 2011, 02:53 PM

Philippines won't retaliate after rebels kill 19
MANILA, Philippines (AP) — President Benigno Aquino III said Thursday he would not resort to ordering an army offensive against Muslim guerrillas who killed 19 army soldiers in the southern Philippines despite a clamor for tougher government action.

Tuesday's intense fighting on southern Basilan island between army special forces and members of the 11,000-strong Moro Islamic Liberation Front killed 25 combatants, including six guerrillas. It was some of the deadliest fighting since 2008, when peace talks bogged down and ignited widespread clashes that killed hundreds and displaced 750,000 people.

More: http://news.yahoo.com/philippines-wont-retaliate-rebels-kill-19-120916593.html

these rebels do what ever they want and get away with it. how can we hire a president like this ?

Arvor

October 20th, 2011, 03:03 PM

The Spaniards and the Americans too had all out wars with the muslims in the south so this thing has been going on for hundreds of years, i agree with the sentiment that the root causes has to be adressed alongside the military one's ideally it should be a combination of both .

An increase in operations against rogue elements and the establishment of the rule of law on the land, a policy that improves the economic situation of the muslim citizens of the region in order to transform them into stakeholders in the peace, you fight when you have little to lose not when you have a reasonable or comfortable life with a viable livelyhood making it in their interest to have peace .

The region is one of the most impoverished areas in the Philippines. It has a per capita gross regional domestic product of only PhP3,433 in 2005, 75.8 percent lower than the national average of PhP14,186. It is the lowest among the Philippines' 17 regions, the second lowest region has a per capita income almost double the ARMM's. ARMM has a population of 4.1 million based on the 2007 census. It is the country's poorest region, where average annual income was just 89,000 pesos ($ 2,025) in 2006, less than 1/3 of Manila level.

Poverty incidence in the region is a high 45.4 percent in 2003, almost twice the national average of 24.4 percent. Significant progress has been made in reducing poverty in the region, which was reduced by 10.5 percent from the 2000 figure, only the Caraga region has a higher poverty incidence in 2003. Lanao del Sur reduced its povery incidence by as much as 26.9 percent, placing itself as the 12th most successful province in poverty reduction. Tawi-Tawi and Sulu have reduced their figures by 18 and 17.6 percent, respectively. In 2000, all the four provinces of the ARMM were among the 10 poorest in the Philippines. By 2003, Lanao del Sur, Sulu and Tawi-Tawi were out of the bottom 10, leaving only Maguindanao, which remains to be the second poorest or the second with the highest incidence of poverty among the Philippines' provinces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Region_in_Muslim_Mindanao

They should just move ahead and create whatever it is that is being debated about an autonomous region or regions, ideally they should be 3 separate autonomous regions once established these regional governments would be charged with internal security thus making rebel muslims a muslim problem and they can fight it out amongst themselves ... .

It wouldn't be a bad thing either if the rest of the country was likewise federalised .

coldfire083

October 20th, 2011, 03:21 PM

Nakakahiya ka Aquino.

Christian_123

October 20th, 2011, 04:50 PM

Nakakahiya ka Aquino.

Manang mana sa mommy nya. Saksakan ng duwag at busy sa pagpapacute... :lol:

Arvor

October 20th, 2011, 09:29 PM

M46Fr3D

October 21st, 2011, 12:27 AM

This could present yet another opportunity for acquiring some ships perhaps even one ship of the Iroquois class destroyers comissioned in the 70's after the acquisition of two more Hamiltons in the next couple of years 2012-13, as usual the problem would be the ability to maintain these ships .

I always believe that the problem is not on the maintenance of the ship/s or any military equipments that they will buy. It is on the people allocating budgets for the maintenance.

Askal82

October 21st, 2011, 01:55 AM

Philippines won't retaliate after rebels kill 19
More: http://news.yahoo.com/philippines-wont-retaliate-rebels-kill-19-120916593.html

these rebels do what ever they want and get away with it. how can we hire a president like this ?

I think he's really out of his mind thinking that the peace process will ever become successful. It's not a peace agreement but a piece agreement. A piece of land! Nothing really gets to his numb skull that what they want is either war or a big piece of the Mindanao real estate. I am so missing Erap right now. :|

mrboy

October 21st, 2011, 02:16 AM

^^One reason I think why Erap was leading in areas in Mindanao in the last presidential elections.

Askal82

October 21st, 2011, 02:37 AM

^^One reason I think why Erap was leading in areas in Mindanao in the last presidential elections.

I have family members down there. ;)

Lilyr

October 21st, 2011, 02:38 AM

I think he's really out of his mind thinking that the peace process will ever become successful. It's not a peace agreement but a piece agreement. A piece of land! Nothing really gets to his numb skull that what they want is either war or a big piece of the Mindanao real estate. I am so missing Erap right now. :|

or a Marcos would do for Defense Sec. But the Noytards and their Yellow bellied Pres won't let that happen

coldfire083

October 21st, 2011, 04:42 AM

Kung sa MILF ay parang takot ng magsalita si Aquino....paano sya irerespeto ng china?

absinthe_888

October 21st, 2011, 07:32 AM

"If we want Peace, we must prepare for War"

Isolated case be kamo Sec. Marvic Leonen? T@nga ka.

kenken94

October 21st, 2011, 07:57 AM

I'm wondering why the government is continuing to play blind in spite of all these clashes when there is an ongoing peace process. What the MILF want is impossible, it's "unconstitutional". These separatist can only dream of achieving that goal. I do not think the legitimate government of the Republic of the Philippines should even be talking with these rebel groups. They are against the law and therefore must be brought upon justice. Erap made a better choice before when he declared a total war against them, we almost got the upper hand.

Aquino should get his acts together before he ends up losing the trust of the people. Watching a public poll on TV yesterday, the Filipinos were really enraged by the incident and would support the government declaring an all out war.

On defense matters, we cannot move up to external threats if even within our borders we are threatened. Don't even consider defending the Philippines from the imperial Chinese without having to put up with the mess caused by CPP-NPA and MILF in the rural areas and Mindanao.

Arvor

October 21st, 2011, 09:40 AM

I always believe that the problem is not on the maintenance of the ship/s or any military equipments that they will buy. It is on the people allocating budgets for the maintenance.

That is more what i meant by maintenance the budget is currently too small to really maintain a larger and even just slightly more modern fleet of surface ships the defence budget needs to at least rise to around 2-2,5% of gdp .

----

Well ive got relatives in Mindanao aswell in Iligan city who went there back in the day to work for the steel mill and they too have experienced some of these troubles in their region over the years .

I don't really care about who's the president and i don't mind military operations at all but in this case let's be honest what would an offensive really achieve ?, the reality is that at most it would achieve revenge and perhaps manage to kill some of the people that killed the soldiers procuring satisfaction for some but Aquino would be right that it would not likely achieve peace .

Perhaps some kind of an all out war effort but the ressources, manpower and the political will to kill alot of muslim citizens including civilians and accepting massive losses on the part of the security forces isn't there to do it nor the finances to rebuild and develop the region afterwards to maintain the peace, so why not just develop the region to enfranchise muslims to become stakeholders in peace and increase the presence of governance and police forces and continue the colonisation process towards Mindanao ongoing for decades to further tilt the demographic balance and forego the other expenses .

walangpangalan

October 21st, 2011, 11:06 AM

Don't worry, i think our President is aware of these things. We don't know maybe the government is planning something(like a big offensive attack at the right time) but they are just quiet. And thats good, something like silent killers :lol:

coldfire083

October 21st, 2011, 11:11 AM

Well so far nagmumukhang walang bayag and duwag ang presidente ng Pilipinas.

Sou-jiro

October 21st, 2011, 11:36 AM

so many brave soldiers have lost they're lives over these bush monkeys I'm for All out WAR common Pnoy enough talk...too much talk...you cannot make peace with them they are not humans.

That's one thing I liked about Erap atleast he acted. I get the Impression that Pnoy is a bit of a chicken ...its not just he is being carefull but an actual chicken common show strong leadership our military is on low morale....You must set an example and lift they're spirit. Did you not hear the soldiers parents in agony?... they want justice....and not just MILF, even Abu bayags and NPA...These monkeys of our land must be eliminated...MILF do not consider themselves Filipino...and they are not Filipinos and don't deserve to be.....feed them to the sharks :ohno:

absinthe_888

October 21st, 2011, 12:14 PM

MILF pa lang wala na sha, eh pano pa sa China.

O umatake na naman MILF ah, 4 na tropa patay. Anu na naman yan Sec. Leonen, another "Isolated Incident" na naman???

Arvor

October 21st, 2011, 12:14 PM

There was a time when the NPA had alot of support and seemed unsurmountable in the end the militaries hearts and minds policies and economic development has made them less appealing, the same would be the case for the muslim minority remember everyone from the Spanish to the Americans, Japanese and even the Phillippine government have applied force to solve the situation but the problem still persists 300 years later .

In any case why or how would Pnoy be a coward ?, whatever he decides he will never be in harms way it could be the easiest thing for him to just send countless others to their death's in a war so it isn't a very logical argument to call him one .

jeongju

October 21st, 2011, 02:32 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34tGN64ZqKA

d7beast

October 21st, 2011, 02:44 PM

We have no time discussing who are the brave ones, the late dictator knew it, Ramos knew it, Nur knew it and even the founder of the scout ranger very well knew what the answer,..let's tame the MILF through peace talk like we tame the MNLF,..on the other hand, what's wrong with our commanders? they are sending our soldiers directly to their graves! for 40years fighting muslim and NPA rebellions they did not learn how a guerilla war is being carried out?!:bash::bash::bash::ohno::ohno:

The Al-Barka Clash: A Call for More Talks than Wars
By Rommel C. Banlaoi Home Updated October 21, 2011 12:28 PM

The Al-Barka incident was a crystal clear proof that waging a war can only unleash ill feelings between Muslims and Christians in the country.

Rather than bridge the centuries old divide between Muslims and Christians, the brutal use of force can further foment sectarian violence that unnecessarily obstructs the attainment of peace and development in the Philippines.

There is no doubt that grief of the families of the 19 victims is a reason for a national mourning. The families need justice that they deserve.

But more than 900 Muslim families (with pregnant women, children, and elderly) in four affected villages in Al-Barka town have been currently displaced in the aftermath of the clash. Displaced families due to armed violence also provide a reason for sorrow. They also cry for justice.

More wars mean more killings, more displacements and more destruction of properties.

When the Philippine government declared an all-out-war against the MILF in 2000, it led to the displacement of up to one million people in Mindanao and widespread destruction of billion pesos worth of properties.
,..read on

http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationsubcategoryid=200&articleid=739813

Askal82

October 21st, 2011, 04:02 PM

More talks so they can backstab us and that numbskull just allow it to happen.

LAPDRN

October 21st, 2011, 04:05 PM

leofriends

October 21st, 2011, 04:23 PM

oo nga eh... madsyado ng mabait si pnoy.. puro cya peace talks eh di nya alam inuuto lng cya ng mga rebelde.. gising pnoy... i vote for all out war ...

coldfire083

October 21st, 2011, 04:33 PM

Kawawa naman mga soldiers natin, ni wala yata silang radios for communication to ask for reinforcement at wala mga choppers to do air strike sa mga nag ambush. Buti mga general may mga bahay sa ibang bansa. Malalakas pa mga armaments nang mga insurgents sa bong Phil.

Kahit na meron sila radios para tumawag sa airstrike ay wala din magagawa dahil bawal gamitin yon dahil sa peace talks.

chris_nigel

October 21st, 2011, 05:49 PM

one thing is for sure hindi matatapos ni PNoy sn term nya kapag pinagpatuloy niya ang ganyang pakikitungo sa ating kasundaluhan..at sa kanyang walang ka kwenta kwentang working habits

M46Fr3D

October 21st, 2011, 06:11 PM

I am also for an all out war against these animals. Pero para sa aking opinyon, dapat muna nilang pagusapan at talakayin kung ano ang naging problema. Kung pwede lang idemote nila yung mga commanders ng mga sundalo natin na yan gawin nila. Mukhang masyadong ng naging kumportable sa aircon at pati ang pag-iisip nila at strategy e nagyeyelo na rin. Just because they were promoted doesnt mean they can conduct these kinds of operations remotely.

As i always say, i trust these animals when and only when they are dead. At sana lang pag nagconduct na sila ng all out war, wag na nila ihonor ang truce. Pulbusin sila to their extinction including their sympathizers. A peaceful Mindanao is Mindanao without these animals.

Arvor

October 21st, 2011, 06:28 PM

Danny19

October 21st, 2011, 06:53 PM

I'm totally in favor for an "ALL OUT WAR" against the MILF, MNLF and Abu Sayyaf!!!!! They are killing Filipinos despite a "ceasefire". Why deal with terrorist about a muslim homeland??? The philippine government should never deal with a terrorist group and let them (MILF) dictate what piece of land and government form they want???? They government of the Phils. should always have the upper hand and say what to do not a separatist group!!! Enough is enough. It's time to destroy them once and for all!

M46Fr3D

October 21st, 2011, 06:58 PM

Well genocide is the only viable military strategy, so unless you are willing to support the total genocide of muslim Filipinos killing every man woman and child then there can be no military solution it's that simple .

Are you sure sir that these groups are only compose of Filipino Muslims? Care to share your proof/s?

Nabartek

October 21st, 2011, 07:15 PM

Evacuate all civilians first, then all out war. Send massive troops. This is why I never agreed that as regards to autonomy or full independence of the ARMM should NOT be on the hands of the MILF but the constituents. With such treacherous act, you think ARMM civilians will be better? Bear in mind that it is also the MILF that harrasses civilians in the ARMM and their war mongering and harassment impedes the development of the region.

Nabartek

October 21st, 2011, 07:18 PM

Nabartek

October 21st, 2011, 07:21 PM

True but Pnoy is either clueless or too gutless to do either - eradicate the problem and/or take out camps.:|

Given his sissiness in dealing with the terrorists in the south, one now would think in case of a shooting war with China over maritime territory how he will deal with it.

These terrorists are using religion in the name of "POLITICS"

d7beast

October 21st, 2011, 07:59 PM

Ito dahilan, dahil sa katangahan ng mga commanders: Inexperience and first timers?ta-tumblingan lang ng mga MILF itong mga ito, 100 na special forces routed???wala nabang natira sa mga "dogs of war" ng military???i remember gen montano's own account how as a young officer of the PC traverse the jolo island stretch many times that he know exactly each square inch of the enemy territory, col biazon traversing with his jeep the NPA laboratoty at NicarAGDAO in DC with a driver and a lone escort, brawner traversing the narciso ramos highway of death towards the MILF forts, don't we have good commanders nowadays???

20 soldiers out of scuba drill, first-timers in clash
By Julie Alipala
Inquirer Mindanao

ZAMBOANGA CITY—Many of the soldiers who battled Moro rebels on Tuesday in Al-Barka, Basilan, were first-timers in the town and were not familiar with the terrain at all, officials said.

Twenty of the 41 soldiers sent to Al-Barka were strangers to the place, having been plucked out of their scuba-diving training program, according to Lieutenant Colonel Randolph Cabangbang, spokesperson of the Western Mindanao Command (Westmincom).

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/80191/20-soldiers-out-of-scuba-drill-first-timers-in-clash

From air support to airsupot!nasan na mga choppers????walang gas???walang spareparts????sinipsip,kinurakot????maryosep,...they need to send experience soldiers to face the shock troops of the MILFs, hinde BSP mga ito,..tsaka sa tagal nilang nakikipagbakbakan sa muslim rebels dpa nila alam paano gumalaw mga yan???

Nabartek

October 21st, 2011, 08:01 PM

Digressing a bit, does the AFP have program for soldiers battling PTSD? It is a hot topic in the US Military and openly talked about. I am curious how the AFP deals with soldier stress when and after battles with rebel groups especially with survivors of mass onslaught. We don't really hear anything about the mental health of our soldiers who have gone to battle

Arvor

October 21st, 2011, 08:08 PM

Are you sure sir that these groups are only compose of Filipino Muslims? Care to share your proof/s?

I never said that they were only Filipinos but if all muslim Filipinos are genocided then any muslims left in the country would obviously be foreigners ... .

M46Fr3D

October 21st, 2011, 08:27 PM

I never said that they were only Filipinos but if all muslim Filipinos are genocided then any muslims left in the country would obviously be foreigners ... .

so are you saying sir that all Filipino muslims are at fault here that is why you are suggesting mass killings on these people?

Christian_123

October 21st, 2011, 11:26 PM

P-Noy is such a huge coward...atapang ang galaw pag si glora, kaso pagdating sa MILF. Nagtatago na sa ilalim ng palda ng mga ate nya..

It's amazing how P-noy actually made former president Erap look more competent than himself...

No wonder Erap was leading the polls in mindanao back in the 2010 elections. because erap actually had the guts to engage an all out war to the rebels and give the rebels a taste of their own medicine.

dc88

October 22nd, 2011, 12:50 AM

Sou-jiro

October 22nd, 2011, 01:01 AM

ALL OUT WAR na enough talk... enough Filipino lives lost...MILF are not Filipinos and they don't want to be anyway....kill all these bush monkey....they are terrorist no matter how they project themselves...MILF, Abu Bayags na NPA. Even they're own families should not be spared. Pnoy is blind. Peace talk are not always the way...Just look at the Israel -Palestine Issue..so many peacetalks but Palestinian mongrels keep firing kashim rockets. Heck just drop a bomb in Nuclear bombs Palestine and Lebanon forget relations to any Arab neighbors.

Pnoy should evacuate civilians then and go for all our war.They should give our soldiers more upgraded equipment. If we go all out war yes soldiers will be lost but if we dont soldiers lives will still be lost...so Its better we end it. Just eliminate them. Im not a fan of Erap but he did a lot more damage to MILF and NPA than any past leaders have.

PNOY??OUR SOLDIERS MORALE IS REALLY LOW NOW???..WHATS YOUR NEXT MOVE?

a second attack has just happen and another 4 soldiers lost due to another MILF attack.......

bitoy

October 22nd, 2011, 01:02 AM

An all out war will cost hundreds of lives of soldiers and rebels. The civilians will get caught on the crossfires and God knows what will happen next.

The peace talk is ongoing, give it a chance. War is ugly, it's not a uniformed war against an organized military unit but against different factions with different intentions.

Askal82

October 22nd, 2011, 01:05 AM

guys, dont blame pnoy. blame the Commander. na-bulilyaso yung mission. inunahan na sila ng milf, kasi alam nila aatakihihn sila ng AFP. there hunting high value targets, yung pumugot sa mga sundalo last month. ayaw ni pnoy ng All-out-war kasi damay civilian. failure on the commanders tactics part.Mlcanang- kunwari may peace talks para di pumangit image ng pinas,at papanatagin yung mga loob ng tao.
gets nyo ?

May side effect talaga kahit anong gera - so expect casualties. Matagal ng issue ang MILF na yan. Tama pa rin ginawa ni Erap na all out war para hindi sila asta ng asta kaya masyadong syang popular sa mga taga Mindanao (including my family members living down there)

If he's not brave enough to express an all out war with no compromises ala Erap, then how can we expect him to resolve that issue? Wala dapat peace talk - treat them as bandits.

Masyadong pinapamper ng mga Aquino ang mga rebelde na yan. :soapbox:

dc88

October 22nd, 2011, 01:07 AM

Christian_123

October 22nd, 2011, 01:15 AM

Askal82

October 22nd, 2011, 01:23 AM

no need all-out-war kasi damay civilian^^^..saka hanggang ngaun may mga refugees pa rin,displaced dahil sa yrs of conflict. kailangan pulido yung pagkaka execute ng mission..para nextime hndi mabulilyaso. ma masaker yung mga sundalo natin. tactics lng yan. u dont knock at your enemies door right ? saka it Will cost MILLIONS..im not a war expert. i just heard FVR in the radio. war veteran,conflicts in mindanao. maganda yung selective.

Like I said, there will be casualties so let's expect it. On the other hand, once the army quelled them - it will be more difficult for them to pull another stunt. Look at Camp Abubakar when it was captured - eh di wala ng gulo doon.

Wala rin namang pakialam ang mga rebelde na yan. Gera o lupa ang hanap ng mga iyan kung may peace process at hindi parin naunawaan ni pnoy yan. :ohno:

Pnoy, like his mother should stop pampering these people. Lumalaki lang ang ulo nila at nagmumukhang mahina ang estado ng Pilipinas sa buong mundo dahil puro sila peace process. Siguro, tumatawa na rin ang mga Intsik sa atin. :lol:

Arvor

October 22nd, 2011, 01:24 AM

so are you saying sir that all Filipino muslims are at fault here that is why you are suggesting mass killings on these people?

If you understood what i wrote i was making the point that genocide is the only military solution that is guaranteed to succeed because as long as a single muslim lives their grievances would remain until they are placated or otherwise convinced to drop them, it is thus an option that is both illegal in international law and one that the country would struggle to apply even if it wanted to thus making the very idea of "all out war" a rather absurd proposition as a means of achieving lasting peace in Mindanao since it can never convince the population to change their minds and interests .

In the end of the day the muslim regions of Mindanao are the poorest regions of the country and the only true solution aside from security operations to apply the rule of law is a long term policy to win the hearts and minds of the people and to convince them that it is in their interest to have peace .

Sou-jiro

October 22nd, 2011, 01:25 AM

bitoy

October 22nd, 2011, 01:31 AM

Yeah, for almost 30 to 40 years. Kakasawa na un pag give ng chance sa mga asungot na terrorista na groupo na 'yon.

How can there be an all out war when the rebels can merge with the civilians anytime of the day and I'm sure, some local leaders and some towns people are supporting the terrorist groups. Most of you haven't seen the horrors of war or conflict, kapwa Pilipino ang naglalaban dito.

But if all things failed, we just can not let Mindanao fall into the rebel hands.

Parchie

October 22nd, 2011, 01:52 AM

How can there be an all out war when the rebels can merge with the civilians anytime of the day and I'm sure, some local leaders and some towns people are supporting the terrorist groups. Most of you haven't seen the horrors of war or conflict, kapwa Pilipino ang naglalaban dito.

But if all things failed, we just can not let Mindanao fall into the rebel hands.

Leave that to the military advisers/planners. If you haven't been into one of these battles happening in Mindanao, you will never get a good grasp of the situation/s.

bitoy

October 22nd, 2011, 02:34 AM

Leave that to the military advisers/planners. If you haven't been into one of these battles happening in Mindanao, you will never get a good grasp of the situation/s.

Have you been in any battle in Mindanao or in the military service?

Parchie

October 22nd, 2011, 02:40 AM

Have you been in any battle in Mindanao or in the military service?
As a civilian caught in cross-fires, yes. That's the reason I have three cousins in the AFP army service and five more thinking about following those who are now serving. How about you? What's your body count?

bitoy

October 22nd, 2011, 02:41 AM

I respect both sides of Arguments but with peacetalks there will always be casualties with all out war yes of course there will be casualties...But These bandits have no real intention of peace unless they get what they want and they are satisfied with it then they will keep asking for more....

For me All out war is the way either way lives will be lost. That's a fact about war. Our Economy, Image is suffering and most important of so many innocent lives are still being lost without justice.

Madali naman sabihin ang all out war...but remember baka meron sumusuporta sa MILF na taga ibang bansa na malapit sa Mindanao. Baka duon sila tatakbo pag hinabol at pasundot sundot na lang parati sa Basilan at ibang lugar ng Mindanao.

bitoy

October 22nd, 2011, 02:48 AM

As a civilian caught in cross-fires, yes. That's the reason I have three cousins in the AFP army service and five more thinking about following those who are now serving. How about you? What's your body count?

Wala akong pakialam sa relatives mo, ang tinatanong ko kung nasa military ka, I was in the service and have been to 2 Gulf wars and I was in Zamboanga during an exercise.

dc88

October 22nd, 2011, 02:53 AM

pnoy really needs a good military advisers/strategist..:?
i wonder who is it. and hows he doing ?

gmaer

October 22nd, 2011, 03:09 AM

Erap wants all-out war vs separatist rebels in Mindanao (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=739980&publicationSubCategoryId=63)
By Jerry Botial (The Philippine Star) Updated October 22, 2011 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Former President Joseph Estrada has not wavered in his position since the time he was in power that an all-out war against the separatist rebels in Mindanao is necessary.

“I’m still for an all-out war. Pulverize them. End this decisively. This had been dragging on for a long time. It’s almost three decades. We have to wage war in order to gain peace,” said Estrada in an ambush interview yesterday while distributing relief goods to residents of Navotas City affected by the recent typhoons.

Estrada also made no distinction between the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) and the Abu Sayyaf Group, which he had earlier branded as terrorists and plain bandits.

He also suggested that the time for talk might be over.

“They have been fooling us for a long time. We have much evidence to show for it,” he said, referring to unprovoked ambushes of government troops while talking peace with the government.

However, he said he does not want to preempt any moves by the present administration.

Estrada would not comment when asked about public perception that the Aquino administration is weak and treating the rebels with kid gloves.

The former leader had remarked in previous interviews that the government had been weak in dealing with the rebels.

He quickly added that the present leadership is doing its best. “Let’s just help him (President Aquino),” he said.

Estrada launched an all-out offensive against the MILF rebels at the beginning of his administration. Camp Abubakar, the rebels’ main camp in Central Mindanao, was later overrun and captured by government troops.

“We were able to wipe out some 46 camps of the MILF that time,” he said.

Those camps were later returned to the rebels after he was ousted from office barely a year later.

Estrada also claimed that a majority of the people in Mindanao supported him in his policy against the Muslim rebels, citing his winning in the entire island in the presidential elections as proof.

He said he believes that not all Muslims in Mindanao are cut from the same mold.

He also expressed belief that “the government should not allow the dismemberment of the state” and disagrees with the idea of a sub-state for rebel groups.

Asked about cheating in the previous elections, Estrada said everyone behind the fraud should be held responsible, adding that he believes it was Fernando Poe Jr. who really won in the presidential elections of 2004.

He also accused former President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo of using her powers to cheat in the elections.

Arroyo’s camp has denied all allegations of cheating in the polls.

Now that Arroyo is sick, Estrada said there is no reason why the former president should not be allowed to get treatment from medical experts from outside the country.

Parchie

October 22nd, 2011, 03:23 AM

Wala akong pakialam sa relatives mo, ang tinatanong ko kung nasa military ka, I was in the service and have been to 2 Gulf wars and I was in Zamboanga during an exercise.

Ganun din dito. Ask ko lang ilan ang body count mo. Mukhang mahangin dito ngayon, ah!

d7beast

October 22nd, 2011, 03:34 AM

we should all think of how FVR tamed the MNLF, not how ERAP think,..if you want the all-out war to succeed we need to copy how sri lanka decimated the tamil tigers,..they build-up their armed forces at a cost of billions of dollars buying gunboats for naval artillery, helicopter gunships from the soviets, fighter bombers from israel, hundreds of armors and artillery pieces, logistics and ammos,missiles and bombs,..e langya gasolina at spare parts nga ng APC at choppers wala??? ano sa palagay ninyo kalalabasan sa all-out war na iniisip ninyo?DISASTER to the philippines!

Parchie

October 22nd, 2011, 03:43 AM

d7beast

October 22nd, 2011, 04:00 AM

bigyan natin ng autonomy ang mga muslin filipinos, matagal na clang naghahangad nito, e pinagdadamutan natin cla d nga natin naiaangat ang ibang mga lugar sa bansa natin,..isapa talaga, without proper arms provided to our ground troops, paulit-ulit lang malalagasan ang sundalo natin, let's build-up our armed forces first, e inuna binili mga bulok na barko yan tuloy mga reinforcements on land and air zero! peace pact with the MILF is a no-nonsense solution to this wicked war in mindanao,..

bitoy

October 22nd, 2011, 04:13 AM

Ganun din dito. Ask ko lang ilan ang body count mo. Mukhang mahangin dito ngayon, ah!

:lol: mahangin ba? o ikaw itong nagmayabang na me narananasan kang body count...:lol:

Body count is not a measure of success, matira na lang ang matibay. :lol:

So, nasabak ka na ba talaga sa giyera?

Nabartek

October 22nd, 2011, 04:17 AM

I respect both sides of Arguments but with peacetalks there will always be casualties with all out war yes of course there will be casualties...But These bandits have no real intention of peace unless they get what they want and they are satisfied with it then they will keep asking for more....

For me All out war is the way either way lives will be lost. That's a fact about war. Our Economy, Image is suffering and most important of so many innocent lives are still being lost without justice.

Ambush is not part of a "peace process". It is a sign that the party who did the ambush is just playing charade.

leofriends

October 22nd, 2011, 04:38 AM

parang mads gusto ko ng presidente si erap kaysa kay pnoy ah... si pnoy sa ekonomiya si erap sa sundaluhan!! ganun n lng!!!

bitoy

October 22nd, 2011, 04:51 AM

Askal82

October 22nd, 2011, 05:54 AM

Askal82

October 22nd, 2011, 05:56 AM

parang mads gusto ko ng presidente si erap kaysa kay pnoy ah... si pnoy sa ekonomiya si erap sa sundaluhan!! ganun n lng!!!

Erap got the balls of steel to tell them that he's not playing their games.

bitoy

October 22nd, 2011, 06:08 AM

But the end justifies the means and as a result, Camp Abubakar is now in peace. Let them get angry, because it's the job of the armed forces to remain on top of the situation by protecting the integrity of the country simply because their version of peace agreement is really non-negotiable.

It's still a place of uncertainty. The promise of making the old camp into an area of economic zone failed. The base camps of MILF and other runaway factions are now in different locations.
If the MILF would not negotiate a peace talk and truce, then the final oprtion will what most people here had suggested.

bitoy

October 22nd, 2011, 06:10 AM

Erap got the balls of steel to tell them that he's not playing their games.

Erap got balls and more...

The sad thing was, the military turned their backs on him. :D

LAPDRN

October 22nd, 2011, 06:12 AM

Kahit na meron sila radios para tumawag sa airstrike ay wala din magagawa dahil bawal gamitin yon dahil sa peace talks.

F*** peace talks, namamatay mga sundalo peace talks parin topic, hit n run mga yan pag nakapatay peace talk. Di kailangan peace talk sa mga yan. How many years na yan kalokohan nila:bash::bash::ohno::ohno:

Milcah

October 22nd, 2011, 06:17 AM

amigo32

October 22nd, 2011, 06:37 AM

Maraming namatay din na mga sundalo at mamamayan nuong panahon ni Erap sa pag sakop sa mga kampo ng mga rebelde sa mindanao. A lot of atrocities were even documented during the takeover of camp Abubakar. He was admired by many, but it just made the rebels and terrorists much stronger with their anger with the government.

weh:D

di namn titigil mga yan, hanggat di sila nabigyan ng sariling lupa (paso-paso sana madali:D, kung papayag sila)

kaya giyerahin na mga yan:lol:

Trigonometry101

October 22nd, 2011, 07:12 AM

How can we hope to defend our country against foreign invaders if we cant even suppress the local threat in the community? :ohno::ohno:

gmaer

October 22nd, 2011, 07:20 AM

Sacked Army spokesman: Soldiers want ceasefire suspension (http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationsubcategoryid=63&articleid=740154)
The Philippine Star Updated October 22, 2011 10:34 AM

http://64.19.142.10/img171.imageshack.us/img171/5921/aquino15soldiers.jpg
President Benigno Aquino III pays his last respects to the 15 of 19 soldiers killed by separatist Moro rebels in Al-Barka, Basilan on Oct. 18, 2011. The bodies of the 15 soldiers were brought to the Libingan ng mga Bayani on Oct. 21, 2011. Facing the families of the soldiers, President Aquino made an assurance that the military will pursue the soldiers' killers. (Photo from Malacanang)

MANILA, Philippines - Sacked Philippine Army spokesman Col. Antonio Parlade today said soldiers on the ground share his view that the government should declare a temporary suspension of the ceasefire agreement with the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) to allow the government to pursue those responsible in the killing of 19 Special Forces members in Al-Barka, Basilan last Tuesday.

"I stand by my statement... I was just echoing the sentiments of the soldiers," Parlade told Philstar.com in a phone interview this morning, adding that his proposal for the suspension of talks with the separatist group was also his personal opinion.

Parlade is one of the three military colonels who have been ordered relieved following the killing of the 19 Army Special Forces members in Sitio Bakisung, Barangay Cambug.

Thirteen of the soldiers died during the encounter while the other six are believed to have been killed after being abducted by Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) fighters after the encounter. Their bodies were recovered a day after the nine-hour clash.

The other two officials ordered relieved were Col. Alexander Macario, commander of the Special Operations Task Force of the Philippine Army, and Lt. Col. Leo Peña, commanding officer of the 4th Special Forces Battalion.

Peña was ordered relieved a day after the encounter. Macario was relieved for allegedly committing "operational lapses."

Parlade told Philstar.com that he has "no bad feelings" against the military leadership for his relief.

President Benigno Aquino III had dismissed calls for the suspension of talks and proposals to declare an all-out war against the Moro rebels due to the latest attack in Basilan.

Meanwhile, deputy presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte said that spokespersons are not supposed to announce their personal opinion to the public.

"The fact remains that as spokespersons we are not policy makers... We are suposed to stick to what the policy is. It should be clear that as spokespersons of the government, we cannot give our personal opinion," Valte said in an interview over state-run radio, Radyo ng Bayan.

After presiding over a command conference at the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) headquarters in Camp Aguinaldo, Aquino went to the Libingan ng mga Bayani Friday night to pay his final respects to 15 of the 19 soldiers killed in the encounter.

He told reporters that the military is already conducting a thorough investigation to determine the lapses that may have been committed by Army officials during the operation.

He said that the result of the investigation may be released by the AFP next week.

"At kung kinakailangan magkakaroon tayo ng court martial kung may mga nagkulang, na lalabas sa magiging resulta ng imbestigasyon na ito," Aquino said.

No operations vs. MILF

AFP spokesman and deputy chief for operations Brig. Gen. Jose Mabanta, facing media after the command conference yesterday, said that President Aquino has reiterated during the meeting his position against proposals to declare an all-out war against the Moro rebels.

Mabanta said that President Aquino has also ordered the military to stop the hot pursuit operations against the MILF group that may be involved in the soldiers' killing.

“There is no hot pursuit operation conducted against the MILF at this point in time because of the existing ceasefire mechanism,” Mabanta said.

“We have no plan (to attack Al Barka). Peace is on top of our minds. Eventually, we want to attain peace. We have to wait. We can’t just act. We have to assess the situation,” he added.

Mabanta, meanwhile, said that pursuit operations against the Abu Sayyaf bandit group and other lawless elements in Basilan and other areas in Mindanao will continue.

He added that President Aquino has allowed the military to run after the MILF who staged two ambuscades in Zamboanga Sibugay on Thursday night which left four soldiers and three policemen dead.

“We’re conducting operations against these forces in Zamboanga Sibugay. As for the Basilan incident, we are not conducting pursuit operations against them,” Mabanta said.

The MILF, which owned up to the attacks, said that members of the 114th Base Command were responsible in the attack. The rebel group's leaders said the attack was a retaliation to the military's continuous shelling of their positions in the province.

Aquino dissatisfied with AFP

Mabanta admitted that the President was dissatisfied with the military’s performance due to recent incidents like the communist rebels’ attack against mining firms in Surigao del Norte and the clash in Basilan that left 19 soldiers dead.

“He (Aquino) expressed dissatisfaction on the series of events that what happened starting with the Taganito (attack on mining companies),” he said.

Mabanta said Aquino also instructed them to review the military's organizational set-up in critical areas, particularly in Sulu and Basilan to prevent similar incidents.

“We are looking at things that have to be undertaken, to look (into possible) changes in the organization. We need to reorganize… We need to upgrade our capabilities. We are looking at all aspects,” he said.

Mabanta said the military was taking Aquino’s dissatisfaction positively.

“We took it in good stride and we will have to step up our operation and improve our operations,” he said.

Military not demoralized

Mabanta denied that the troops are demoralized by the death of the 19 soldiers. “That’s not true there is no demoralization. Demoralization may be a hindrance to our duties,” Mabanta said.

“It’s really sad, but we have to move on,” he added.

Parlade, meanwhile, said that more attacks from the MILF may happen in the future if the ceasefire agreement with the Moro rebels is not temporarily lifted.

“I’m sure this would not be the last time or the last incident. I think this is the eighth or ninth they (MILF) have done this. Every time we engage with the Abu Sayyaf, suddenly, there are MILF (members) in that area,” Parlade said in a separate interview yesterday.

Mabanta, however, said Parlade’s statements do not reflect the official stand of the military.

“It (Parlade’s statement) was not the line of thinking of the institution he represents,” he said.

Mabanta admitted that they could only resort to legal battle for now due to the ongoing ceasefire. He said multiple murder charges would be filed against the perpetrators.

“We’re waiting for legal papers,” he said. -- Dennis Carcamo and Alexis Romero

kenken94

October 22nd, 2011, 07:37 AM

Erap wants all-out war vs separatist rebels in Mindanao (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=739980&publicationSubCategoryId=63)
By Jerry Botial (The Philippine Star) Updated October 22, 2011 12:00 AM

Parang magandang si ERAP nalang ang presidente para wala lahat ng rebelde kahit in his 6 years lang tapos pumili ng ekonomista para pumalit at nang ekonomiya naman. :ohno::nuts::ohno:

kenken94

October 22nd, 2011, 07:42 AM

Hmmm.. why not separate ARMM from the Philippines instead? Lesser area means lesser national budget restraints. I still don't understand why our government thrives to hold this separatist land for decades. Is it oil? Minerals? Gold? Seriously, give this separatist their land and build a huge impenetrable wall so they can't easily enter Philippines.

And I'm saying this as a citizen of Mindanao. I'm waiting to see the day that Mindanao won't be branded as then island with wars and terrorism. Look at other cities in Mindanao (Davao City, CdeO, Zamboanga), which is really peaceful and has a fast growing economy, but the bad image of Mindanao still haunts us.

Also, I don't agree with the all-out-war. Where the hell are we getting the money to fund this? Also, our Military sucks. If our SWAT can't even save dozen of people from a single hostage taker or even have first aid knowledge to save a life, then we're doomed. Also, it will affect the economy of the emerging economies in Mindanao. So no, NO TO ALL-OUT-WAR. Why not separate them instead! The easiest solution! Why can't they, Phil. government, WHY??

No matter how we twist the situation, inhabitants in ARMM are still Filipinos nonetheless and that area have so much economic potential for the Philippines in the long-run. What we need to do is rid the area of the rebels first, for sure, the residents there don't support MILF that much. Muslims in Mindanao no longer want war so why should RP prolong the agony? It's enough defamation to even talk with these terrorist/separatists and now we should give them what they want? They've been there for 40 years already. It's not like it is not enough grace period for them?

The rebellion in Mindanao a bane to our economy, that region will remain untouched for years and I don't think that is fair to the people living there. No business means no job and no money, I don't want to see ARMM the same obsolete region it has been in 4 decades, it should be more economically developed just like its peers in Mindanao.

El_Toro

October 22nd, 2011, 07:46 AM

sabi nga sa ating pambansang awit " ANG MAMATAY NG DAHIL SAYO"
ang ating magigiting na kawal kulang man sa kagamitan at suporta nakikipagbakbakan prin para sa tunay na kapayapaan at katiwasayan ng ating bayang sinilangan...

sana nga lang ang pagpapahalaga natin sa ating sariling kawal ay kagaya ng mga ginagawa ng mga amerikano dhil hndi ko na mabilang kung ilan beses kong nakita kung panu mahalin ng sarili nilang bansa ang kanilang mga men in uniform...

Wind Shear

October 22nd, 2011, 08:16 AM

No matter how we twist the situation, inhabitants in ARMM are still Filipinos nonetheless and that area have so much economic potential for the Philippines in the long-run.

The problem is not all inhabitants wants to call them Filipinos (meaning, they screw it). As a resident of two cities in Mindanao, I heard it thousands of times.

Mercato

October 22nd, 2011, 08:29 AM

walangpangalan

October 22nd, 2011, 08:37 AM

i was just wondering, did they have any tanks or armoured vehicle with them or its just the soldiers?

absinthe_888

October 22nd, 2011, 08:48 AM

If we want Peace, we must prepare for War.

Hindi naman sincere ang MILF sa peace talks e.

xxxriainxxx

October 22nd, 2011, 08:56 AM

Salute to our Philippine soldiers.

xxxriainxxx

October 22nd, 2011, 08:57 AM

firebar10

October 22nd, 2011, 09:14 AM

Dismembering the national territory is not an option now nor in the future a million years from now.

kenken94

October 22nd, 2011, 09:26 AM

The problem is not all inhabitants wants to call them Filipinos (meaning, they screw it). As a resident of two cities in Mindanao, I heard it thousands of times.

Well bet that they should. Otherwise they'll fall with the rebels. There's no hell of a way RP is surrendering sovereignty over ARMM. Aside from the reality that doing so would require an amendment of the constitution especially Article I. I would rather have the Armed Forces torment these rebels and their supporters than set aside national interest in exchange for the demands of the terrorists.

kenken94

October 22nd, 2011, 11:02 AM

-dp-

Sou-jiro

October 22nd, 2011, 11:08 AM

Hmmm.. why not separate ARMM from the Philippines instead? Lesser area means lesser national budget restraints. I still don't understand why our government thrives to hold this separatist land for decades. Is it oil? Minerals? Gold? Seriously, give this separatist their land and build a huge impenetrable wall so they can't easily enter Philippines.

And I'm saying this as a citizen of Mindanao. I'm waiting to see the day that Mindanao won't be branded as then island with wars and terrorism. Look at other cities in Mindanao (Davao City, CdeO, Zamboanga), which is really peaceful and has a fast growing economy, but the bad image of Mindanao still haunts us.

Also, I don't agree with the all-out-war. Where the hell are we getting the money to fund this? Also, our Military sucks. If our SWAT can't even save dozen of people from a single hostage taker or even have first aid knowledge to save a life, then we're doomed. Also, it will affect the economy of the emerging economies in Mindanao. So no, NO TO ALL-OUT-WAR. Why not separate them instead! The easiest solution! Why can't they, Phil. government, WHY??

WHAT!!?? RIDICULOUS!!

Besides these bush monkeys do not obey peacetalks or ceasefire. They may agree and sign on the table but in the outside world its only words. They continue to kill. Soldiers are dying, innocent villagers/civilians are dying and those guys have no intention of peace and are not prepared to bargain.

See how Sri Lanka finally eliminated those terrorist monkeys in they're land through effective airstrikes and a well coordinated military campaign...that's leadership!

Eliminate all these bush monkeys They are never be Filipino (and they don't want to be anyway)...

I would happily pay for people to eliminated them one by one..at least I've done my part. And I too will volunteer. They are inferior and less than human beings.

People can criticize me for my view! But I ask you try and tell that to lost soldiers families!!

Askal82

October 22nd, 2011, 01:27 PM

Askal82

October 22nd, 2011, 01:38 PM

It's still a place of uncertainty. The promise of making the old camp into an area of economic zone failed. The base camps of MILF and other runaway factions are now in different locations.
If the MILF would not negotiate a peace talk and truce, then the final oprtion will what most people here had suggested.

They stab us in our backs whenever they try to come up with a peace agreement. We have to bring them to the bargaining table first not us or else magmumukhang mahina tayo at kahiya- hiya sa buong mundo na hindi maresolba ang internal conflict sa atin.

Etong si presidente natin, yaw yaw ng peacetalk kaagad - marami ng mga kawal pilipino ang nasawi. Sila ang payaw yawin natin ng peace talk nde si Pinoy para tayo may upper hand.

Only Erap style is good for them.

Trigonometry101

October 22nd, 2011, 02:20 PM

How can we hope to defend our country against foreign invaders if we cant even suppress the local threat in the community? :ohno::ohno:

william :D

October 22nd, 2011, 02:21 PM

^^ masyadong binebeybi ang mga rebeldeng iyan. dapat sila ang tinatakot, ginigipit, at binabawasan hindi tayo. kung gugustuhin naman ng gobyerno kayang kaya nila tapusin ang gulo na yan.

saan ba kumukuha ng pondo ang mga rebelde na yan para labanan ang Republika ng Pilipinas??

gmaer

October 22nd, 2011, 02:25 PM

MILF warns of 'full blown' war in Mindanao (http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationSubCategoryId=200&articleId=740161)
Home Updated October 22, 2011 11:47 AM

COTABATO, Philippines (Xinhua) - A spokesman of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) claimed that the Armed Forces of the Philipines (AFP) started early today pounding their fighters' position in Zamboanga Sibugay province.

MILF spokesman Von Al Haq said their forces under the 113th Base Command BIAF-MILF were having Subuh, early morning prayer for the Muslims around 5 a.m. at their camp at Sitio Taib, Barangay Labatan, Payao, Zamboanga Sibugay when mortar shells of 105 howitzers rained on their position.

Heavy exchange of gun fires between the two forces was reported following the artillery strikes of the government forces.

Al Haq warned the green light given by President Benigno Aquino to his military commanders to carry out full offensive against their forces may escalate further and end up in full blown war.

Al Haq claimed that on Friday afternoon, two OV-10 fighter planes dropped at least 26 bombs on their position on the outskirts of Barangay Labatan in Payao around 3 p.m.. The air offensive lasted for an hour, forcing thousands of terrified people to abandon their homes, he said.

"The military's artillery attacks are going on. This is not good ingredients for the peace talks. We are worried that it may end up in a full blown war," Al Haq said.

Citing they have standing orders to their men on the ground to stay in defensive position, the rebel official said they could not control if their fighters in the Island provinces of Mindanao may stage sympathy attacks against government troops.

"We have no redeployment of troops to Zamboanga Sibugay, but if the situation there gets worst, it's another story," he said.

Brig. Gen. Jose Mabanta Jr., spokesman of the AFP, said yesterday that President Aquino allowed the military to go after the MILF group that carried out three ambuscades in the province on Thursday night, where four soldiers and three policemen were killed.

The President said the military is pursuing lawless elements and that the provincial government has passed a resolution asking the military to pursue "wanted criminals."

Over 3,000 families from the towns of Payao and Alicia have evacuated to safer grounds after government commenced the air strikes on Friday afternoon.

The MILF's attack in Zamboanga Sibugay came two days after its forces killed 19 soldiers in Al-Barka, Basilan.

In a previous pronouncement, the MILF said they have more than 60, 000 weapons, factory and technologies they used for making rocket propelled grenade launchers.

More over, the MILF said they have 120,000 fighters and political leaders all over Mindanao.

In 2008, peace talks between the government and the MILF collapsed due to the aborted signing of the Memorandum of Agreement on Ancestral Domain, prompting some MILF commanders to staged attacks on civilian communities.

The MILF has been fighting government troops for decades to establish a self-rule Muslim state in the south of the predominantly Catholic country.

P-Noy: No all out war against Muslim rebels (http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationSubCategoryId=200&articleId=739473)
Home Updated October 20, 2011 03:37 PM

LEYTE, Philippines (Xinhua) -- President Benigno S. Aquino III refused on Thursday to declare an all out war against the Muslim rebels.

Aquino said in an interview with reporters that he wanted to determine what really happened that resulted on the death of 19 soldiers during the recent clash with the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) in Basilan province.

He added that the government will continue to engage the MILF on a peace process.

"Are we advocating let's go all out war and that redounds to an improvement to the situation. Nobody will benefit from war," Aquino said.

He said, "one rotten egg does not mean that the entire basket of eggs is rotten."

The President said that a thorough investigation will be conducted on the encounter between the Muslim insurgents and the government troops in Al-Barkah, Basilan on Tuesday where 19 soldiers were killed. Aquino will call on Friday for a command conference in Camp Aguinaldo headquarters to discuss the incident.

He also expressed sympathies to the families of the slain soldiers.

chris_nigel

October 22nd, 2011, 02:48 PM

HIndi na kailagan humngi ng clearance sa kanila ehh rebelde sila ehh dapat nga magtago pa sila kakapal ng mukha nila hindi naman sila nagbabayad ng tax pero sigurado ako nakikinabang din sila sa serbisyo ng gobyerno kahit papano...tong si panot naman bnebeybi pa..sige tignan na lang natin kung matapos mo pa ang term mo kapag pinagpatuloy mo yan..pagtyatyagaan ko na si Vice mapalitan ka lang..

rawr

October 22nd, 2011, 03:44 PM

madaling sabihing "all-out war na!" kung hindi ka naman mapapasama sa labanan. yun lang.

kenken94

October 22nd, 2011, 04:05 PM

MILF warns of 'full blown' war in Mindanao (http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationSubCategoryId=200&articleId=740161)
Home Updated October 22, 2011 11:47 AM

P-Noy: No all out war against Muslim rebels (http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationSubCategoryId=200&articleId=739473)
Home Updated October 20, 2011 03:37 PM

How dare these rebels even give us such taunts? They do not have the right to even talk to the Government.

And PNoy just wants to prolong the agony of the soldiers in the field. I know it's easy to say but hard to do. Well, if the soldiers themselves wanted to fight in order to end this bloody war once and for all then I guess it's the right time.

He is so steadfast when it comes to Spratly's and yet even these rebels he cannot even dare to fight. What is the use of peace talks when even if we sign it on paper they just keep on backstabbing the government. We need a Commander-in-Chief that does not yield to lawless elements but rather stands for what the law is and deter those law breaking terrorists.

Mercato

October 22nd, 2011, 05:12 PM

Well do yourself a favor and ask yourself a question why Israel is reluctant to give the land back to Palestinians. ;)

Oh yeah how did Erap funded his all out war back then? ;)AS to where Erap got his funds, hmmm beats me? :?

Taking from your cue, ;) aaahhh yes. Well, since it will take awhile to track down and sell all the expensive luxury California real estate and posh Manila grand homes by our wonderful generals, go to the bank, cash the money and scout around for suitable military hardware;; it might be a good idea to turn to Uncle Sam for quick loans on military hardware only - a quicker way, just to start the ball rollin'. :D Then the next step would be to turn to Israel for a big contingent of IDF consultants. :D The third step would be to encourage Jewish immigration to the provinces side by side with the ARMM. :lol:They stab us in our backs whenever they try to come up with a peace agreement. We have to bring them to the bargaining table first not us or else magmumukhang mahina tayo at kahiya- hiya sa buong mundo na hindi maresolba ang internal conflict sa atin.

Etong si presidente natin, yaw yaw ng peacetalk kaagad - marami ng mga kawal pilipino ang nasawi. Sila ang payaw yawin natin ng peace talk nde si Pinoy para tayo may upper hand. Well, we always have a bumper crop of naive peaceniks who were all born yesterday. After that bus bombing in Buendia, Makati, everyone easily forgot like the Filipinos they are. What can we do? People never learn. Ever.
Only Erap style is good for them.But of course. :D
^^ masyadong binebeybi ang mga rebeldeng iyan. dapat sila ang tinatakot, ginigipit, at binabawasan hindi tayo. kung gugustuhin naman ng gobyerno kayang kaya nila tapusin ang gulo na yan.Ask the kumukurap-corrupt generals first if they really wanna win any war? :D So where are their useless asses now?
saan ba kumukuha ng pondo ang mga rebelde na yan para labanan ang Republika ng Pilipinas??Why of course, where else? From Truly Asia, that artificial state fabricated by the British poms. :D oops, my bad. They are the secondary sources, their prime motive is to latch on to Sabah which they are holding illegally. The primary source of funds are from the usual Al Qaeda and Jemaah Islamiyah.

Trigonometry101

October 22nd, 2011, 05:14 PM

'Demoralized' AFP officials plan to quit

MANILA, Philippines - Several senior military officers are upset over the results of Friday's command conference with President Benigno Aquino III.

Instead of holding the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) accountable for the deaths of 19 soldiers, it seems the commander-in-chief even blamed the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) for the violence.

"I was dissatisfied with the performance of the Armed Forces," said Brigadier General Jose Mabanta, deputy chief of staff for operations of the AFP.

They also disagreed with the President's decision to stop pursuit operations against several members of the rebel group.

As a result, some officials are thinking about resigning, adding that it seems their hands are tied while fighting rebel groups like the MILF and the Communist Party of the Philippines-New People’s Army (CPP-NPA).

The same officials were the ones who were dismayed after the government released members of the so-called Morong 43, who were said to be communist rebel leaders.

Colonel Alexander Macario, chief of special operations for Task Force Basilan, and Philippine Army spokesman Colonel Antonio Parlade have already been removed from their posts, according to the orders of the President.

Parlade had said there should be a selective ceasefire with the MILF to bring to justice the killers of his comrades.

But in a text message, Parlade said he has no regrets over his statements, adding that it is better for Filipinos to know the sentiments of many in the Armed Forces.

But the AFP denies the troops feel demoralized over the situation.

"The state of morale and the discipline of our troops remains high. So that's why I'm quite surprised [kung] bakit may reports na ganitong lumalabas," said Colonel Arnulfo Burgos, AFP spokesman.

For now, only time will tell if the senior officials will decide to leave their posts.

Source: ABS CBN News http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/10/22/11/demoralized-afp-officials-plan-quit

kenken94

October 22nd, 2011, 06:03 PM

^^ Ano ba talaga PNoy? Sinira mo na pati ekonomiya ng Pinas 'tas ngayon militar naman? Putya naman yan oh! :rant::rant::rant:

kenken94

October 22nd, 2011, 06:04 PM

AS to where Erap got his funds, hmmm beats me? :?

Taking from your cue, ;) aaahhh yes. Well, since it will take awhile to track down and sell all the expensive luxury California real estate and posh Manila grand homes by our wonderful generals, go to the bank, cash the money and scout around for suitable military hardware;; it might be a good idea to turn to Uncle Sam for quick loans on military hardware only - a quicker way, just to start the ball rollin'. :D Then the next step would be to turn to Israel for a big contingent of IDF consultants. :D The third step would be to encourage Jewish immigration to the provinces side by side with the ARMM. :lol: Well, we always have a bumper crop of naive peaceniks who were all born yesterday. After that bus bombing in Buendia, Makati, everyone easily forgot like the Filipinos they are. What can we do? People never learn. Ever.
But of course. :D
Ask the kumukurap-corrupt generals first if they really wanna win any war? :D So where are their useless asses now?
Why of course, where else? From Truly Asia, that artificial state fabricated by the British poms. :D oops, my bad. They are the secondary sources, their prime motive is to latch on to Sabah which they are holding illegally. The primary source of funds are from the usual Al Qaeda and Jemaah Islamiyah.

Yeah! From TRULY ASIA! :lol::lol::lol:

Danny19

October 22nd, 2011, 06:26 PM

The time has come for key offensives against the terrorist! It's time for action and not talk. The MILF and other terror groups are playing with the national government. And pls. kick Malaysia out of any further peace talks. I can't believe the Aquino administration is really trusting Malaysia!? They support MILF and other muslim terror groups in the Phils.

Simple Dude

October 22nd, 2011, 06:34 PM

^^ All out war is the only solution... Peace talks will never work...bakla kasi yung presidente natin eh...
Tulad nalang sa mga ayaw ng All out war dyan...

dc88

October 22nd, 2011, 06:42 PM

ask lng why, does the constitution of the phils forbid int'l help from local conflicts ? i think i heard it somwhere..can u see the trend ? marcos,fvr,Erap=MILF=X. cory,Noynoy=MILFhttp://freightbrokerscourse.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Very-small-Check.jpg
glow, some balls. eheh..

d7beast

October 22nd, 2011, 07:39 PM

madaling sabihing "all-out war na!" kung hindi ka naman mapapasama sa labanan. yun lang.

kaya nga, kung ang MILF pag d siguradong maging successful all-out war ng gobyerno will resort to terrorism gaya ng nangyari nung 2000 kabobohan campaign ni erap vs MILF, di naman nila natalo at naubos at di nga nila inisip pano aayusin yung mga displaced constituents, t@ng@ talaga! k@tangahan din ng mga opisyales ng militar bakit nila binalandra ang mga special forces na parang pain sa MILF?mga g@go at t@ng@ na mga opisyales!special forces supposedly crawling and going not on the roads or open spaces or trails tsaka puk!#g !n@ saan ka nakakita ng rangers na wala man lang forward scouts for the safe entry and movements of larger troops? isa pang katangahan at kabbobohan e pano naging special forces yung ibang members walang experience sa combat???primary requirement nito e may exposure ka or veteran ka sa gyera pano naging special forces ang mga ito?nagbayad lang ng lagay???!!!we talk with the MILF to the point that they have no reason at all why they still need to fight the government, then slowly build the armed forces to be ready for the all-out war should the peace process fails, hinde yung wala ngang pambili ng gas at spare parts e makikipag all-out war na mga t@ng@! tsaka maraming dmanlang nagiisip akala nila maganda ginawa ni erap na all-out war pinabayaan nga niya mga refugees e, paano kung kasama ka or mga family members mo sa gyera or sa mga gulo na tatama sa lugar ninyo o sa manila sa lahat ng malls???prepare ka kaya???okay lang guro kung nasa ibang bansa ka kaya ganun nalang pagiisip mo na align kay erap,..

Tagaroog

October 22nd, 2011, 07:59 PM

Pare-parehong lang naman mga terorista ang mga yan. Napaka laking pag-kakamali ng Malacanang, kung ano anong pangalan pa ang tinatawg sa mga yan ie: MILF,ABU at CPPNPA.

bitoy

October 22nd, 2011, 10:04 PM

^^ All out war is the only solution... Peace talks will never work...bakla kasi yung presidente natin eh...
Tulad nalang sa mga ayaw ng All out war dyan...

Tapang ah... then lead the way!

Sa iba pang mga matatapang dito sa forum, let's all pay respect to the our soldiers that gave their lives to protect our nation.

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Philippine Army soldiers carry the flag-draped caskets of 15 comrades, who were killed in one of the worst clashes in three years with the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF), after being flown in to Manila from Zamboanga city in southern Philippines Friday Oct. 21, 2011.

LAPDRN

October 22nd, 2011, 11:07 PM

Pnoy, please listen to your military commanders. They know better than you when it comes in dealing with the insurgents. Your just showing your scared of these insurgents. We don't like another coup d etat. We already have a bad image around the world. No foreign investors will come to the Philippines if you can't solve these insurgency problems.

LAPDRN

October 22nd, 2011, 11:08 PM

You bought a ship that is rusting, but we don't have choppers to respond in military clashes. Modernize the military first, and if we have the capabilities then annilhate them all.

Mercato

October 22nd, 2011, 11:39 PM

interesting... This is the only real peace the other side will agree to. Interesting because the eastern seaboard of Mindanao belonged to the Animist Lumads, Lumads had never been historically Islamic, contrary to myths propagated by the ideologues.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wSRuH8cGgFE/TRctEWDatcI/AAAAAAAAA_Q/GREPACgjuKA/s1600/MinSuPalaMap.bmp
Of course in this official map of Bangsamoro Republik, they only show MinSuPala. So as not to offend their benefactor, Truly Asia. But heck, even with MinSuPala it's already one huge piece of real estate... tsk.

But watch this episode of rebel propaganda. It shows a Bangsamoro Republik not only comprising MinSuPala but also Sabah as well. Segment 00:30. Does Truly Asia know what they're in for? :lol:

They even have a flag now coloured red. I must say the tune is quite catchy it's already loopin inside my head. :D
VRvlZET-vE4

Lilyr

October 23rd, 2011, 12:55 AM

Swerte lang ni Pnoy at in love pa yung mga Noytards sa kanya:nuts:
Pwede syang ma-kudeta ng heneral nya. Nyak:|

Sou-jiro

October 23rd, 2011, 01:31 AM

NOY NOY ABNOY!

Philippines have elected a coward as a President. Enough peacetalks..show leadership and uplift the very low morale of the military. MILF, NPA Abu Sayyaf doesn't matter all the same...all terrorist/Pirates. No wonder Erap did great in Mindanao.That seems to surprised some people.

Deploy all the OV-10s and The Arriving Sokols. Too bad they're not combat versions. Take control of the jungle, the skies and the ocean.

Mercato

October 23rd, 2011, 01:49 AM

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/pearl21_2007/BJE.jpg
The areas in red comprise the current ARMM. I'm not quite sure what the greens are, for further expansion with government blessing? :shifty:

anyway, don't look now, :lol: but here is another Bangsamoro material showing claim to North Borneo, which can only mean Sabah. :colgate: Segment 01:30 show the extent of claims to Bangsamoro territories. I must dispute again their claim to Lumad ancestral domains because Lumads in Eastern Mindanao were never ever Islamic. Neither Islamic, Neither Christian but most Lumads today still remain Animist. Therefore they cannot be under the jurisdiction of the Bangsamoro Judicial Entity aka ARMM.

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d7beast

October 23rd, 2011, 02:51 AM

kaya dapat intindihing mabuti, MILF is dropping their bid for independence or a separate state, by giving them auronomy, we make sure that they will lose their armed forces, then the country will start building a strong AFP and continue pressure on loose bands of the splinter groups, the AFP needs a lot of modernization to do before they consider the all-out war. how the MILF can be labelled terrorist org when their founding leader wrote to mr bush to help them settle the conflict peacefully?

d7beast

October 23rd, 2011, 03:07 AM

KnightOfTheFlag

October 23rd, 2011, 03:18 AM

You really cannot trust these guys...THEY MUST BE ELIMINATED AND ANNIHILATED ONCE AND FOR ALL!!...now they are positioning themselves like in a chessboard pieces...will this admin be wise and aggressive enough to put forward the right chess piece in the right position? I REALLY HOPE SO! because if we lose this match WE LOSE THIS COUNTRY!!...and with a brat son of an oligarch who has some disappointing and unimpressive record on everything he do, im really afraid for our country...

200 armed men storm Zamboanga Sibugay village, says mayor

AMBOANGA CITY, Philippines—Some 200 armed men stormed Talusan village in Olutangga, Zamboanga Sibugay around 2:30 p.m. Saturday, town Mayor Joel Caputolan said.

Caputolan said the armed men occupied the Samonte Elementary School there.

He said militiamen have monitored the arrival of the armed men—whose identities were still being ascertained—but because they were outnumbered, they decided to fall back towards Kawilan village.

It was not immediately known if the armed men are still occupying the school as of this writing, according to Caputolan.

Another report, which could not be independently confirmed, said an undetermined number of armed men also landed in the shoreline of Migpulao village in Dinas, Zamboanga del Sur.

Mayor Aldwin Alibutdan of Ipil, Zamboanga Sibugay, said “all people in Sibugay are living in fear.”

read more : http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/81323/200-armed-men-storm-zamboanga-sibugay-village-says-mayor

d7beast

October 23rd, 2011, 03:44 AM

there's nothing new to these muslim rebels, if you showed them you are afraid and weak, they will start their movements and incursions, it is now time for the armed forces to insure that communities are well taken care of without jeopardizing the peace talks. panoy does not know anything about the defence but he has the authority, parang humina ang AFP sa panahong ito, nasan naba mga "dogs of war" ng AFP, nung time ni FVR tahimik mga ito but he committed in closing the peace pact with the MNLF,..

queetz@home

October 23rd, 2011, 04:10 AM

Ive read that Canada has just approved a new budget for renewing it's naval assets including it's frigate and destroyer fleet .

http://www.military-today.com/navy/iroquois_class_destroyer.jpg
http://www.military-today.com/navy/iroquois_class_destroyer.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_class_destroyer

This could present yet another opportunity for acquiring some ships perhaps even one ship of the Iroquois class destroyers comissioned in the 70's after the acquisition of two more Hamiltons in the next couple of years 2012-13, as usual the problem would be the ability to maintain these ships .

Probably not going to happen. First and foremost, the new Canadian Navy ships ain't going to be built tomorrow. The program in question is for the next 30 years so it will take some time before we have our new warships to replace our *aging* Navy ships. Second, knowing the Royal Canadian Navy, our old warships will probably end up as artificial reefs.

Nabartek

October 23rd, 2011, 05:04 AM

Nabartek

October 23rd, 2011, 05:10 AM

The talks about independence or autonomy of the ARMM should not be dependent on what the MILF or any armed rebel group says, but what the CIVILIAN population says.

Remember when the US armed the Taliban against Russians? Not the same situation but it could head that way given the MILF behavior

pi_malejana

October 23rd, 2011, 06:35 AM

another one...

Military spokesman: 5 killed, 8 hurt in Basilan ambush
10/23/2011 | 11:02 AM | GMA News

Five rubber plantation workers and militiamen were killed Sunday in an attack in Sumisip town in Basilan. Philippine Army spokesman Maj. Harold Cabunoc said an initial report reaching his office said the incident happened around 5:30 a.m. in Barangay Upper Cabenbeng. He said suspected Moro Islamic Liberation Front members led by Hassan Asnawi perpetrated the attack.

Full story here:
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/236297/regions/military-spokesman-5-killed-8-hurt-in-basilan-ambush

gmaer

October 23rd, 2011, 06:41 AM

gmaer

October 23rd, 2011, 06:44 AM

P-Noy vows justice for slain soldiers (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=740358&publicationSubCategoryId=63&newsalert)
By Aurea Calica (The Philippine Star) Updated October 23, 2011 12:00 AM

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President Aquino, joined by Army chief Lt. Gen. Arturo Ortiz, pays his respects to 15 of the 19 soldiers killed by Moro Islamic Liberation Front rebels at the Libingan ng mga Bayani in Taguig City Friday night.

MANILA, Philippines - While maintaining that an all-out war with the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) would cost too much “in blood,” President Aquino vowed on Friday to give justice to the 19 soldiers who were killed by MILF rebels in Basilan last Tuesday.

Aquino made the commitment as he condoled with the families and relatives of the slain soldiers on Friday.

“For all those who were responsible for the death of these soldiers, I warn you the government will not let this pass, we will hunt you down and give justice to the victims,” Aquino told reporters at the Libingan ng mga Bayani late Friday.

“I am not promising anything, it is not my style to impose deadlines of 24 or 48 hours, but I guarantee that the state will hunt them down to attain justice,” he said.

Aquino visited the wake of the 15 slain soldiers whose bodies were flown in from Mindanao.

The 15 caskets arrived late Friday after the cargo plane brought the remains of some of the slain soldiers to Davao and Cagayan de Oro City. Arriving in Fort Bonifacio, the bodies were given full military honors.

Aquino’s two sisters Ballsy and Viel joined in condoling with the grieving families.

“I expressed my sincerest condolences on behalf of the people. I also expressed to them my deepest appreciation of the heroism and sacrifice they have shown in answering the call of duty. I made a promise to them that I would give them justice,” Aquino said.

Aquino noted the calls of the grieving relatives to launch an all-out war with the MILF.

Aquino virtually rejected such calls, saying the government is only going after the lawless elements.

“Now if we are going to pursue them, we must be clear as to who we are pursuing. We cannot follow what others are suggesting that we attack everyone, what kind of a decision is that when you attack everyone including those who are keeping their peace,” Aquino said.

“So maybe a good headline would be, how much would the price of those proposals (for an all-out war) be in blood? I think we all have the responsibility to think about things properly and make a decision calmly,” he added.

Aquino maintained an all-out war with the MILF would cost too high a price “in blood,” even as he ordered targeted strikes against rebels behind the attacks.

Aquino said an investigation is ongoing and the results are expected next week.

He said the government would not just go after those behind the attack but also sanction erring military officials who will be proven to be negligent.

Aquino also warned that those who would try to help the lawless elements would taste the government’s wrath and no one would be spared.

The MILF had owned up to the attacks in Basilan last Tuesday, claiming the soldiers encroached into their territory in violation of the ceasefire agreement.

The MILF also accused the government of attacking rebel positions in Zamboanga Sibugay that triggered the retaliatory attack on Friday that killed eight soldiers and policemen.

MILF spokesman Von Al-Haq claimed the military launched air and ground offensives on rebel positions at Sitio Taib, Barangay Labatan in Payao town in Zamboanga Sibugay, in total disregard of the ceasefire.

He claimed the military launched howitzer attacks while MILF forces were praying in their shelters.

He said government troops crawled near rebel enclaves after the bombardment and engaged guerillas in a firefight.

“Civilians were forced to evacuate to safer areas,” Al-Haq said.

Al-Haq said yesterday’s artillery and ground offensives were preceded by Friday’s air bombing of the area.

Al-Haq said the MILF is holding on to Malacañang’s announcement that there will be no military retaliations for the deaths of the soldiers in Basilan last week.

“The Armed Forces (of the Philippines) is doing the opposite,” he said.

Al-Haq said members of the International Monitoring Team and the joint ceasefire committee are now investigating the Basilan encounter.

The MILF also urged the military and police to allow law enforcement and peacekeeping mechanisms under the ceasefire agreement to address the issue.

Ghadzali Jaafar, MILF vice chairman for military affairs, said government officials who are not in any way involved in resolving the security problems in Mindanao should stop issuing provocative and inflammatory statements that could inflame the situation.

Jaafar said it would be best to allow the Joint Coordinating Committee on the Cessation of Hostilities, which is comprised of representatives of the MILF, the military and the Philippine National Police (PNP), to work out measures than can stave off any escalation of hostilities in the area.

“The government and MILF peace panels also have the Ad-Hoc Joint Action Group (AHJAG) which is to look into crimes permeating in areas covered by the ceasefire,” Jaafar said.

The PNP, for its part, said it would conduct a parallel investigation into the killing of the 19 soldiers in Basilan.

The PNP Criminal Investigation and Detection Group (CIDG) led by Chief Superintendent Samuel Pagdilao will coordinate the investigation with the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) and the government peace panel.

Pagdilao said the CIDG investigation would focus on gathering evidence and building up the case against the suspects.

Demoralized?

On the other hand, troops in Basilan have been ordered to stand down following the pronouncement of President Aquino dismissing calls for the suspension of the ceasefire and an all-out war against the MILF.

Thousands of villagers were forced to leave their homes on fears of military retaliation against the rebels.

Wounded soldiers and some ground military forces, however, expressed dismay on the military leadership for blaming them for supposed “operational lapses” that led to the killing of the 19 soldiers.

“We have offered and sacrificed our lives and this is what we got. They should be blamed because they have been advised of the ground situation,” one soldier lamented.

Other soldiers were also disgusted over the relief of their commanders, taking note of the relief of Army spokesman Col. Antonio Parlade who earlier expressed his opinion that the government should temporarily suspend the ceasefire agreement with the MILF and go after the rebels responsible for the carnage of the soldiers in Basilan.

A group of policemen, the PNP Badge of Honor Foundation, expressed their support for the soldiers.

“Our mutual losses and experience deserve to be acknowledged or remembered with dignity, honor and respect even as we regroup to move forward... Let not our fallen heroes die in vain! Let us support our soldiers!” the group said in a statement.

Asked whether the soldiers were demoralized, Aquino said nobody would be happy over the incident and everyone was saddened.

“We are not going to stop going after lawless elements, not only here but in other areas. There are actually ongoing operations in Zamboanga Sibugay as we talk, these will not stop,” Aquino said.

“I want to convey that the state is ready to defend our countrymen anywhere and everywhere in the Philippines and areas that we are in control of, that are part of our territory,” he said.

Aquino said the ceasefire has been in effect for a long time now but there were other forces, like the Abu Sayyaf bandits, who are being hunted down.

“But I think it would be better if in the next operations, they are more ready and the presence of the government forces would be much felt,” Aquino said.

The better option is peace

The President said he has been doing everything to find peace in Mindanao and that an investigation must be completed first before pursuing those involved, even if the MILF had admitted that its members carried out the attacks.

“We cannot deal with speculations here. If we attack all of the MILF, they will be obliged to fight. When they fight, I believe that even those who are quiet, those who are respecting the ceasefire, will be guaranteed to fight and the battles will be continuous and a lot of civilians will be affected again,” Aquino said.

Deputy presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte said the “better option is still peace” and “we are not letting the lives, the sacrifices of our soldiers go to waste.”

Valte said there were existing mechanisms under the ceasefire agreement that could be used to resolve the matter.

“The military will be filing charges. Let us repeat, we are seeking justice at the right place, at the right time. We are not putting their sacrifices in vain. That was the farthest thing from the truth. We are seeking justice at the right place and at the right time,” Valte said.

Valte said they could understand the anger of the public, including ordinary citizens, but people must realize that “the human cost of war will be too great.”

“Believe us, we understand your feelings and sentiments. We are also part of the Filipino people, we are not different from you. But like what the President is saying, we need to think calmly so that we can lay down what we need to do. We cannot act haphazardly because if we do that, a lot of lives will be lost,” she said.

“So we need to be calm despite the rush of emotions to decide on our next steps,” Valte said. - Aie Balagtas See, John Unson, Roel Pareño, Perseus Echeminada

Mercato

October 23rd, 2011, 07:01 AM

Are all these new attacks we're hearin on the news coordinated? They seem to keep on comin' ... tsk kaya dapat intindihing mabuti, MILF is dropping their bid for independence or a separate state, by giving them auronomy, we make sure that they will lose their armed forces, then the country will start building a strong AFP and continue pressure on loose bands of the splinter groups, the AFP needs a lot of modernization to do before they consider the all-out war. how the MILF can be labelled terrorist org when their founding leader wrote to mr bush to help them settle the conflict peacefully?it is their dream but it is vague for now, dumadami na mga dayo sa mga lugar na gusto nilang maging independent mahihirapan na cla kaya autonomy ang best choice nila at ng gobyerno,..no problem with autonomy, but they shouldn't really grab too much land where they are not in the majority. And they should know the clear distinction between the muslim ancestral domains versus the lumad ancestral domains, which are non-muslim and still Animist to this very day. Does autonomy mean they get to keep a self defense paramilitary force?

I'm afraid you're right. The AFP might not be really ready for an all out war given it's sorry state. If there are a thousand ways to skin a cat, then diluting their population with non-muslims might be one way.Bakit ayaw din nila kunin ang Maynila. Muslim din yun dati bago dumating Kastila:lol::lol::lol::lol:Be careful what you wish for. :lol: :lol: :lol:

If Balkanization becomes a reality, then Manila and Mindanao can join together in matrimonial bliss. Whilst we the remnants of Christian Philippines can discard the name Philippines and carry on with Sri Vijaya reborn or the Federated States of the Visayas. Truly Islands in the Western Pacific, we will never be like that scheming conniving Truly Asia. :lol: :lol: :lol: The talks about independence or autonomy of the ARMM should not be dependent on what the MILF or any armed rebel group says, but what the CIVILIAN population says.

Remember when the US armed the Taliban against Russians? Not the same situation but it could head that way given the MILF behaviorA thousand ways to skin a cat, and one of them is to dilute the ARMM populations with non-muslims. Or even better to safeguard our Visayan and Luzon migrants, how about if we encourage mass immigration of Jewish settlers into areas of the ARMM. That would be neat,,, awesome, dude. :lol:

Milcah

October 23rd, 2011, 07:19 AM

Are you patchay's clone? :lol: If not, then you must be an agent for Truly Asia, why that solution of yours is music to their ears. I'm not exactly here to teach people about sovereignty. Anyone care to pitch in? :lol:

Two words. Hell, No. Give 'em Hell, absolute Yes. Secession, absolute No. :lol: :lol:

Yeah, lets have an all-out-war and totally ignore the effects of it. Especially the other parts of Mindanao. Sige lang, malayo bitaw kayo. Sige lang, ilagay niyo sa giyera ang mga sundalong mangmang at walang pondo. Let's not care about the consequences of the war in the economy of our country. Pag nanalo ang mga rebelde dahil mangmang ang ating sundalo, sino kaya ang unang maapektuhan? Have you seen or read about the Congo Wars? Or other wars outside Phils?

All violence and no brains. Tsk tsk.

eonynx

October 23rd, 2011, 07:21 AM

Are all these new attacks we're hearin on the news coordinated? They seem to keep on comin' ... tsk no problem with autonomy, but they shouldn't really grab too much land where they are not in the majority. And they should know the clear distinction between the muslim ancestral domains versus the lumad ancestral domains, which are non-muslim and still Animist to this very day. Does autonomy mean they get to keep a self defense paramilitary force?

i really am not open to them keeping a separate self defense force. their defense structure should be part of the AFP and its chain of command for the reason that they are not a separate sovereign. if these guys really don't have separatist leanings, then the physical as well as the administrative autonomy given to them known as the ARMM should suffice, give or take a few tweaks in the negotiations that are acceptable to both their higher ups and the GOP panel.

we could only wonder that when pnoy granted the MILF that secret and rather surprising meeting between him and the organization's highest ranking officals in japan, things would have progressed really well between the two sides at the highest levels. now, it's like we're back to square one.

I'm afraid you're right. The AFP might not be really ready for an all out war given it's sorry state. If there are a thousand ways to skin a cat, then diluting their population with non-muslims might be one way.Be careful what you wish for. :lol: :lol: :lol:

how about if we encourage mass immigration of Jewish settlers into areas of the ARMM. That would be neat,,, awesome, dude. :lol:

i suppose, this would give them nightmares, the way jews have been giving one to their adversaries in the ME. hmmmm...but this is a very intriguing proposition. i suppose it's about time we try some out-of-the-box solutions when administration after administration tried many things by the book.

Mercato

October 23rd, 2011, 07:31 AM

Yeah, lets have an all-out-war and totally ignore the effects of it. Especially the other parts of Mindanao. Sige lang, malayo bitaw kayo. Sige lang, ilagay niyo sa giyera ang mga sundalong mangmang at walang pondo. Let's not care about the consequences of the war in the economy of our country. Pag nanalo ang mga rebelde dahil mangmang ang ating sundalo, sino kaya ang unang maapektuhan? Have you seen or read about the Congo Wars? Or other wars outside Phils?

All violence and no brains. Tsk tsk.The MILF in the news posted around here had admitted to the attacks. I'm not quite sure who has no brains but one thing's for sure - all the violence are clearly coming from one side. So your only solution is abject surrender? :)
interesting... This is the only real peace the other side will agree to. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wSRuH8cGgFE/TRctEWDatcI/AAAAAAAAA_Q/GREPACgjuKA/s1600/MinSuPalaMap.bmp
And this is your only solution? Why, surprise surprise, your own house would also be included in the new Bangsamoro Republik.

Did you in all your gullibility think the MIFL will stop at only an ARMM once it smells that the AFP is weak, or mangmang as you call it? Nope, the ultimate goal is this. :D As the agent saboteur that you are, you should be proud. :yes:

Manila-X

October 23rd, 2011, 07:42 AM

I smell (another) MUTINY (in the making)... :banana:

The majority of Filipinos are sick and tired of another mutiny and should not support such actions.

Unless the person is totally ignorant of what is happening around him/her

Mercato

October 23rd, 2011, 07:42 AM

i really am not open to them keeping a separate self defense force. their defense structure should be part of the AFP and its chain of command for the reason that they are not a separate sovereign. if these guys really don't have separatist leanings, then the physical as well as the administrative autonomy given to them known as the ARMM should suffice, give or take a few tweaks in the negotiations that are acceptable to both their higher ups and the GOP panel.

we could only wonder that when pnoy granted the MILF that secret and rather surprising meeting between him and the organization's highest ranking officals in japan, things would have progressed really well between the two sides at the highest levels. now, it's like we're back to square one.I'm not sure how autonomy goes, but I guess a self defense paramilitary is always there in the story. tsk

secret meetings? Like how his mom released dangerous wild animals in the 80s? maybe he's just running true to form... i suppose, this would give them nightmares, the way jews have been giving one to their adversaries in the ME. hmmmm...but this is a very intriguing proposition. i suppose it's about time we try some out-of-the-box solutions when administration after administration tried many things by the book.Ta-dah! my out of the box solution. :lol: :lol: Why dont we give all those Jewish settlers from Gaza and Palestine living space within the ARMM or beside the ARMM? Funds for housing construction from Israel of course. + more.... :devil:

eonynx

October 23rd, 2011, 07:54 AM

I'm not sure how autonomy goes, but I guess a self defense paramilitary is always there in the story. tsk

secret meetings? Like how his mom released dangerous wild animals in the 80s? maybe he's just running true to form...

that's the thing. their paramilitary apparatus has always been there. that gives the irritating swashbucklers from among them the temptation to always flirt with the idea of separatism. other minority groups in the country don't have that privilege. it's about time they lose theirs.

Ta-dah! my out of the box solution. :lol: :lol: Why dont we give all those Jewish settlers from Gaza and Palestine living space within the ARMM or beside the ARMM? Funds for housing construction from Israel of course. + more.... :devil:

hahaha!:lol: mukhang pwede.

kenken94

October 23rd, 2011, 07:56 AM

anakngpasig

October 23rd, 2011, 08:12 AM

^^ he's got two mouths after all. one on his face and one between his legs.

Milcah

October 23rd, 2011, 08:13 AM

The MILF in the news posted around here had admitted to the attacks. I'm not quite sure who has no brains but one thing's for sure - all the violence are clearly coming from one side. So your only solution is abject surrender? :)

And this is your only solution? Why, surprise surprise, your own house would also be included in the new Bangsamoro Republik.

Did you in all your gullibility think the MIFL will stop at only an ARMM once it smells that the AFP is weak, or mangmang as you call it? Nope, the ultimate goal is this. :D As the agent saboteur that you are, you should be proud. :yes:

No offense, but I think I am the minority here. Since we were in Elementary, there are already talks about 'Mindanao' separating from Philippines. To tell the truth, many are intrigued and thought 'maayo bitaw noh?" while the others doesn't really care if we are separated or not. Also, many people in Mindanao don't really call themselves "Filipinos", but rather call themselves on the region/city they come from. A lot of us have problems with the "Filipinozation" of Mindanao, especially those who hold true loyalty and pride to the city/region they grew up with. I don't really want to say this here, but honestly, I'm okay with Mindanao (yes including my city) to separate with Philippines. Its not because we are weak-willed, it's because these is were our roots truly belong.

No matter what other will say or discourage me, I won't be change my perspective. Only time will come whether my point of view will changed or not.

ManilaBoy45

October 23rd, 2011, 08:31 AM

Basilan island remains LAWLESS after all these years, it's time to secede that ravage place as it is a hopeless situation...

Mercato

October 23rd, 2011, 08:45 AM

No offense, but I think I am the minority here. Since we were in Elementary, there are already talks about 'Mindanao' separating from Philippines. To tell the truth, many are intrigued and thought 'maayo bitaw noh?" while the others doesn't really care if we are separated or not. Also, many people in Mindanao don't really call themselves "Filipinos", but rather call themselves on the region/city they come from. A lot of us have problems with the "Filipinozation" of Mindanao, especially those who hold true loyalty and pride to the city/region they grew up with. I don't really want to say this here, but honestly, I'm okay with Mindanao (yes including my city) to separate with Philippines. Its not because we are weak-willed, it's because these is were our roots truly belong.

No matter what other will say or discourage me, I won't be change my perspective. Only time will come whether my point of view will changed or not.Thank you for your candour. :yes:

At least you are honest about your opinions and of course you are entitled to them. At least we can catch a glimpse into the psyche of the residents, what they think ...

coldfire083

October 23rd, 2011, 09:46 AM

Kaya maraming boto na nakuha si Erap sa Mindanao kasi gusto na ng mga tao matapos mga rebelde doon.(ayaw na ayaw ko si erap pero agree ako sa policy nya sa mindanao)

d7beast

October 23rd, 2011, 10:14 AM

the MILF leaders very well knew of the consequences of going into war with the government, the MNLF knew this very well and besides they will be left into oblivion once MNLF will benefit of the expansion instead of working with the expanded ARMM regions. the present tausug dominated ARMM region is fighting on the side of the government during the clashes with the MILF,..again, no autonomy if they insist on continuing the existence of their armed forces but the govenment make sure that every fighters be integrated into the PNP or the AFP or give them livelihoods,..

Arvor

October 23rd, 2011, 01:10 PM

or give them livelihoods,..

This is probably the better solution why would anyone camp out in the jungle when they can have a good job a proper home good food a car and so on ?, right now those regions are the poorest of the country so what would or could unemployed young men do with their lives there go to a mall ? they don't even have malls ... ! .

It is important to understand the psychology of the situation, once people are content in life and become enfranchised and have everything to lose in conflict they would see peace or even being a part of the republic as being in their interest, just think of Sabah why in the world would Sabah wish to join with the republic when the country they are in right now is better off economically ? .

In the end of the day it is also about an individuals self interest and at the moment when a young man lives in the sticks in the middle of nowhere the best thing he can do is join one of these groups which feeds and cares for them and gives them a sense of purpose and camraderie, what can the government offer them at this point ? i mean really have these people even had a chance to sit down in a civics class and learn about the country they do belong to ? .

This is why imo this talk of all out war is silly at best it hasn't worked that well in 300 years and to do so would only inflame the situation and stretch the military further at a time when it needs its ressources to start building up it's territorial defences against larger threats from neighbouring powers .

So regarding the recent clashes imo the military response if any must be a limited and targeted operation against the actual rebel unit that clashed with the government forces and not the entire milf/mnlf, doing so would be pointless and counter productive since most of them are not actually doing anything at the moment and the last thing you want is the entire horde becoming active again in conflict .

I mean really people add some logic read some Sun Tzu's art of war or something and look beyond undisciplined emotions which tho understandable might lead to even more undesirable circumstances ... .

The objective must be peace and the strategy must therefor not lead to more conflict while keeping an eye on looming external threats to the country .

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No offense, but I think I am the minority here. Since we were in Elementary, there are already talks about 'Mindanao' separating from Philippines. To tell the truth, many are intrigued and thought 'maayo bitaw noh?"

Well to be honest aswell i am sometimes also intruiged by the idea of having Luzon keep Palawan and Mindoro island then dropping the rest as an independent state, i always thought that doing so would speed up Luzons development since the national budget would no longer need to be redistributed to poorer or less developed regions, turning it into another Taiwan/South Korean sized economy in a shorter timeframe than having to develop the entire country, and more pertinent to the discussion it would also be easier to defend with roughly the same defence budget concentrated upon a smaller region .

But ok it's just an idea that i sometimes also think about i don't really support it in practice yet but i am fully in favour of a reformed federal republic at this point which i think can accomodate 6 small and divided muslim autonomous states whitin such a federation, and imo it would also pave the way for future enlargement of the country by making it easier for the "federated state of Sabah" to switch sides someday when the RP inevitably becomes a larger economy than Malaysia .