^^ kung lalabanan natin ang MILF kailangan handa tayo sa matagalang giyera. Hindi pwedeng ala-Erap na patigil-tigil, kailangan tuloy tuloy hanggang sa maubos sila. Sa ngayon sa tingin ko hindi pa tayo handa sa ganung scenario.

Ang mahirap pa guerilla warfare ang gamit ng MILF. Once they're surrounded they can easily hide their arms underground and wear civilian clothes.

Ang mga LTTE ng Sri lanka, for comparison ay lumaban ng harapan kaya sila madaling natalo ng Sri Lankan forces.....malabong gawin yan ng MILF.

All out pa rin ako. It wont be pretty there will be innocent live lost. But same will happen if the MILF, NPA and Abu Sayyaf are not Eliminated in an all out war.

However I prefer if AFP do not rush into this and make carelss decisions. The morale of the Soldiers are low but high morale is not enough. We need updated equipent for a start. They must take they're time and study they're tactics.

I dont think AFP is ready for a long term war with MILF. So once they get to that point then the Government will have to be ready so sustain and fund it and make sure our AFP is ready long term (no one wants long term ofcourse)

MILF knows the Terrain so AFP will need the take these in consideration and train more soldiers (PROPERLY) its a shame the sokols were cancelled......they would have helped.

again overall Im still for all out war..its just i dont want them to rush no point going all out war if you cannot do it for longhaul...because. this one will be along fight. I honestly believe peace is not possible with MILF/NPA.
its not peace they want but piece of the land.

peacetalk or all out war..there will be heavy prices to pay. but still a direction has to be made.Its one way or the other.

AFP also seems to have logistical Issues...MILF is way outnumbers but when inccidents happen it seems the AFP are the ones outnumbered. Military tactician should also take responsibility for these.

How about other cities that doesn't want to cede from imperial manila ?

All of these muslims wants power and money that's why they want to separate from imperial manila. Them separating from PHL is really a terrible idea. The whole Mindanao might turn into Somila 2.0 or Libya 2.0 if we allow them (Mindanaons) to manage the whole area.

If I were the president: I will emulate the Bosnian Ethnic Cleaning to end the war once and for all. It's to clean that God forsaken area !

But at least, when Mindanao secedes, it is no longer a concern to imperial manila. :nuts:

I really wonder why the National Government is interested in Mindanao yet it was and is neglected for several decades.

^^ it's a deadly circle. Mindanao will never progress if businessmen or investors are afraid of those rebels. On the other hand you can't end the insurgency if there are no jobs given by businesses.

^^ it's a deadly circle. Mindanao will never progress if businessmen or investors are afraid of those rebels. On the other hand you can't end the insurgency if there are no jobs given by businesses.

"Vicious circle" indeed! Like asking which one came first? The egg or the chicken?

On hindsight, we always take the game from zero score. Let's start at a new beginning: what is the existing problem? Let's chip away each problem one at a time. If we focus on lawlessness, take all those lawless elements out. If we focus on infra, build more infra in Mindanao so they'll see some seriousness from the national government.

Take out the leaders. End the war.

^^ kung lalabanan natin ang MILF kailangan handa tayo sa matagalang giyera. Hindi pwedeng ala-Erap na patigil-tigil, kailangan tuloy tuloy hanggang sa maubos sila. Sa ngayon sa tingin ko hindi pa tayo handa sa ganung scenario.

Ang mahirap pa guerilla warfare ang gamit ng MILF. Once they're surrounded they can easily hide their arms underground and wear civilian clothes.

Ang mga LTTE ng Sri lanka, for comparison ay lumaban ng harapan kaya sila madaling natalo ng Sri Lankan forces.....malabong gawin yan ng MILF.

I was reading the events that led to the victory of Sri Lanka against Tamil rebels. It was indeed bloody. The Sri Lankan forces eventually killed the Tamil leaders and they declared their victory even if there were hundreds of Tamil rebels that are not yet captured. The national government also imposed brief emergency rule until normalcy returned in the area.

For one, MILF is no longer pushing for secession or independence from the Republic.

kung walang all out war.. mas marae pa ang mamatay sa mga sususnod na panahon.. sundin ang kagustuhan ng mga nakararame... :D

^^ Nakakasawa at nakakainis. All Presidents of this country failed to end the rebellion.

^^ Nakakasawa at nakakainis. All Presidents of this country failed to end the rebellion.

Former president Ramos to some extent was successful with negotiating peace and stability with the MNLF especially its leader Nur Misuari.

On the other hand, rebellion is still a problem not just in The Philippines but also in countries like Thailand especially the southern region, Colombia, etc.

Then you have a drug war happening in Mexico and Central America which does not end.

The only thing is these happening far from the economic zones especially here in The Philippines. If these wars are happening in Metro Manila, Cebu or in Davao then its a different story.

Take out the leaders. End the war.

agree! sana sa pilipinas na lang sa sunod ang meeting for peace pact:lol: ipadukot na lang kasi yang mga lider ng rebelde.:lol:

may nakausap ako dati na rebelde, yung mga kasamahan nya naubos na dukot sya na lang natira. kasabwat rin yung mga lider nila sa pag papatay sa mga kasamahan nya kaya sya umalis na rin at nagtatago, naging straight na sya. Sabi nya yung sa baba lang daw yung mga nag papakamatay sa ideals nila yung sa taas pera perahan lang. Nag e enjoy sa pwesto nila. Tingnan mo sila, naka aircon at palipad lipad lang pero yung sa baba yon yung mga ignorante na naniniwala sa kanila at nagsasayang ng buhay nila :lol:

Sabi ko sa kanya you wasted almost 50 years of your life to realize that painful truth :ohno:

ako dati muntik na rin ako sumama sa bundok buti na lang nagising ako nong nalaman ko na yung isang kasamahan namin di maka graduate kasi nga busy sa affair ng org. Kaya sabi ko sa sarili ko pano mo tulungan ang kapwa mo kung di mo nga kaya tulungan ang sarili mo!

But at least, when Mindanao secedes, it is no longer a concern to imperial manila. :nuts:

I really wonder why the National Government is interested in Mindanao yet it was and is neglected for several decades.

someone is making money in the conflicts in mindanao.

someone is making money in the conflicts in mindanao.

meron talaga.



balak ko nga magpatayo ng planta ng armas:lol: at furenaria maki share man lang sa benta ng armas:lol: at palibing:lol:

But at least, when Mindanao secedes, it is no longer a concern to imperial manila. :nuts:

I really wonder why the National Government is interested in Mindanao yet it was and is neglected for several decades.


Why should Mindanao secede from the Philippines? Aren't the people of Mindanao Filipinos????? The national government is of course taking care of Mindanao because it's part of the Philippine Republic!
Other countries around are united and developing as one country and the Philippines is still debating if one region for example Mindanao should secede????? No wonder why some countries are ahead of the Philippines!

meron talaga.



balak ko nga magpatayo ng planta ng armas:lol: at furenaria maki share man lang sa benta ng armas:lol: at palibing:lol:

yung classmate ko don punerarya rin negosyo nila:lol: sa planta ng armas ka na lang tapos ikaw na lang gumawa ng weapons ibenta sa gov't para di na tayo bumili ng mga dolyares yung presyo na weapons sa labas ng bansa.

Why should Mindanao secede from the Philippines? Aren't the people of Mindanao Filipinos????? The national government is of course taking care of Mindanao because it's part of the Philippine Republic!
Other countries around are united and developing as one country and the Philippines is still debating if one region for example Mindanao should secede????? No wonder why some countries are ahead of the Philippines!

Even the MILF is no longer pushing for independence. I think his sentiment is purely on regrets why Mindanao is still like that....i guess he needs to qualify his statement. Not all parts of Mindanao are poor. There are rich and middle class provinces. For the poor ones, who's to be blamed? The national government gave billions of pesos to ARMM and yet, it remains poor. The cause? the money was stolen by the leaders instead using it for livelihood projects. .:bash:

But at least, when Mindanao secedes, it is no longer a concern to imperial manila. :nuts:

I really wonder why the National Government is interested in Mindanao yet it was and is neglected for several decades.

I just shows clearly that you are very much misinformed.

You wonder why the national government is interested in Mindanao?
- Mindanao has the third most important and most progressive city in the entire Philippines which is Davao city.
- Mindanao is the number one producer of Bananas and Pineapple which both are significant contributors to the Philippine's GDP.
- Mindanao holds the highest deposits(in the Philippines) of rare oars such as Gold
- Mindanao has the tallest mountain in the Philippines which is Mount Apo.
- Mindanao has a number of mega biodiversity areas such as the Agusan Marsh
- Mindanao is the primary source of fresh Tuna

And lots more..

someone is making money in the conflicts in mindanao.

Definitely. Every time may giyera, maraming pera ang lumalabas and this usually goes straight to the the pocket of the officials.

Even the MILF is no longer pushing for independence. I think his sentiment is purely on regrets why Mindanao is still like that....i guess he needs to qualify his statement. Not all parts of Mindanao are poor. There are rich and middle class provinces. For the poor ones, who's to be blamed? The national government gave billions of pesos to ARMM and yet, it remains poor. The cause? the money was stolen by the leaders instead using it for livelihood projects. .:bash:

If anyone still remember Zaldy Ampatuan revelations, that's how the money alloted for ARMM was being divided. Sa namamahala ng ARMM at siyempre sa mga naka pwesto sa Malacañan para di na usisain kung saan na ang pera.

Nuon panahon ni Misuari na siya ang ARMM Gov., most of the money he spent on junkets like whenever he visits Davao, 3 floors of a high-end hotel is exclusively for him and his retinue. No roads was ever built except those leading to his resort home.

The AFP will never be serious in helping the government end the rebellion. War is profitable. And the corrupt AFP generals will make it sure that their source of "extra revenues" will remain by arming the Abu Sayaff and MILF.

Baka nga pinain yung mga young soldiers na yun ng mga istupido at corrupt na mga heneral sa AFP para lumaki allocation uli nila sa giyera.

Why should Mindanao secede from the Philippines? Aren't the people of Mindanao Filipinos?????

It depends. After all, being a Filipino is a citizenship., not a race or blood.

The national government is of course taking care of Mindanao because it's part of the Philippine Republic!

Since when the National Government took care of Mindanao? As I said before, its already neglected for several decades. If the National Government took care of Mindanao well long before, rebellions won't exists!


I just shows clearly that you are very much misinformed.

You wonder why the national government is interested in Mindanao?
- Mindanao has the third most important and most progressive city in the entire Philippines which is Davao city.
- Mindanao is the number one producer of Bananas and Pineapple which both are significant contributors to the Philippine's GDP.
- Mindanao holds the highest deposits(in the Philippines) of rare oars such as Gold
- Mindanao has the tallest mountain in the Philippines which is Mount Apo.
- Mindanao has a number of mega biodiversity areas such as the Agusan Marsh
- Mindanao is the primary source of fresh Tuna

And lots more..

And then, how do Mindanao get in return?

it really irritates me whenever i hear someone say that he is like this and like that and not a Filipino because they do not live in Manila. as long as you people born and live in the Philippines, you are Filipino. If you dont wanna be called Filipino, pack your things and get out of this country. If you dont love this country, you dont deserve to be here. This country deserves respect and love. Find a country where you will be proud to be one of their citizens and dont waste your whole life in bitterness and sorrow for living here and being a Filipino.

I'm a proud Dabawenyo. I love Davao City very, very much, you see it at the text above my avatar. I don't even want to go abroad because I'd rather serve my city rather than foreigners.

But proud as a Filipino? Not sure...

You wonder why the national government is interested in Mindanao?
- Mindanao has the third most important and most progressive city in the entire Philippines which is Davao city.
- Mindanao is the number one producer of Bananas and Pineapple which both are significant contributors to the Philippine's GDP.
- Mindanao holds the highest deposits(in the Philippines) of rare oars such as Gold

And lots more..

*Ahem* *ahem* kaya pala. Mindanao = $$$money$$$

But with all these resources, don't you wonder why majority of Mindanao still poor? I wonder what happened to the money that we get from this. I hope Imperial Manila isn't taking all of those money to beautify their own region and neglected us here in Mindanao... oh wait

I'm a proud Dabawenyo. I love Davao City very, very much, you see it at the text above my avatar. I don't even want to go abroad because I'd rather serve my city rather than foreigners.

But proud as a Filipino? Not sure...

And this is exactly a big problem.

Masyadong insular ang pananaw mo. You are Filipino first before you are a Dabawenyo. Davao is nothing without the Philippines. People know Philippines first before they get to know Davao.

Hate to say this, but I find your statement shameful. Hate to admit but ganito mag isip ang karamihan ang mga Pilipino. You think small. Masyadong regionalist, tribal, clannish. Kaya hindi tayo umuunlad kasi ganito karamihan sa atin mag isip.

When someone asks me where I am from, I say I am from the Philippines. Not from Aklan, nor Makati nor Iloilo.

*Ahem* *ahem* kaya pala. Mindanao = $$$money$$$

But with all these resources, don't you wonder why majority of Mindanao still poor? I wonder what happened to the money that we get from this. I hope Imperial Manila isn't taking all of those money to beautify their own region and neglected us here in Mindanao... oh wait

Loads of Bullsh*t. Sa dami ng perang binuhos dyan sa Mindanao pati ng mga international aid agencies, ninakaw lang ng mga lider nyo tapos sa Manila nyo isisi.

Take responsibility. Bilyones na ang napunta sa Mindanao, pakitanong sa mga lider nyo na kayo rin ang bomoto.

if GMA only concentrated to resolving the problem in Mindanao in her 9 long years....


sounds like Panot ay Pnoy pala hehehe when it comes to blaming game Pnoy tops the chart hehehe. Anyway 9 years is such a short time to resolved a decades old problem :ohno: I'm not defending GMA but lets stop the blaming game shall we?

Hindi nga kinaya ni sait cory ang problema sa mindanao si little evil pa kaya :bash: Sabagay mas may utak naman si Little Evil kahit e combine mo pa ang dalawang presidente na may family name na Aquino :lol:

It depends. After all, being a Filipino is a citizenship., not a race or blood.
If it is, then ask your Civil Registrar to change your citizenship to Davaoenos. This is stupidity at its best.

Since when the National Government took care of Mindanao? As I said before, its already neglected for several decades. If the National Government took care of Mindanao well long before, rebellions won't exists!
Ask your local government. Ask your Governor, Mayor, Congressman, or even your Chairman and barangay tanod where are your funds going. Your government officials arent from Manila. If you see poverty in your area, ask your officials or maybe ask yourself what can you do for your country or sorry for your province to lift this poor people from poverty.

And then, how do Mindanao get in return?
What Mindanao get? Rebellious people like you.

I'm a proud Dabawenyo. I love Davao City very, very much, you see it at the text above my avatar. I don't even want to go abroad because I'd rather serve my city rather than foreigners.

But proud as a Filipino? Not sure...
Me too. Id rather serve my country and die for it rather than serve other countries. And my bad, your city is part of my country.


*Ahem* *ahem* kaya pala. Mindanao = $$$money$$$

But with all these resources, don't you wonder why majority of Mindanao still poor? I wonder what happened to the money that we get from this. I hope Imperial Manila isn't taking all of those money to beautify their own region and neglected us here in Mindanao... oh wait
Misguided and misinformed. No wonder why rebellions will never end in Mindanao.

And this is exactly a big problem.

Masyadong insular ang pananaw mo. You are Filipino first before you are a Dabawenyo. Davao is nothing without the Philippines. People know Philippines first before they get to know Davao.

Hate to say this, but I find your statement shameful. Hate to admit but ganito mag isip ang karamihan ang mga Pilipino. You think small. Masyadong regionalist, tribal, clannish. Kaya hindi tayo umuunlad kasi ganito karamihan sa atin mag isip.

When someone asks me where I am from, I say I am from the Philippines. Not from Aklan, nor Makati nor Iloilo.
These are not Filipinos, remember?

sounds like Panot ay Pnoy pala hehehe when it comes to blaming game Pnoy tops the chart hehehe. Anyway 9 years is such a short time to resolved a decades old problem :ohno: I'm not defending GMA but lets stop the blaming game shall we?

Hindi nga kinaya ni sait cory ang problema sa mindanao si little evil pa kaya :bash: Sabagay mas may utak naman si Little Evil kahit e combine mo pa ang dalawang presidente na may family name na Aquino :lol:

Stop blame game? You should really have to read your post. :lol: Really funny. :banana:

And this is exactly a big problem.

Masyadong insular ang pananaw mo. You are Filipino first before you are a Dabawenyo. Davao is nothing without the Philippines. People know Philippines first before they get to know Davao.

Hate to say this, but I find your statement shameful. Hate to admit but ganito mag isip ang karamihan ang mga Pilipino. You think small. Masyadong regionalist, tribal, clannish. Kaya hindi tayo umuunlad kasi ganito karamihan sa atin mag isip.

When someone asks me where I am from, I say I am from the Philippines. Not from Aklan, nor Makati nor Iloilo.

+99999999999 I AGREE!

HIndi talaga masosolve ang problem ng Pilipinas kung masyadong regionalistic mga tao dito.

Nagagalit mga rebelde na tao sa Mindanao kasi napapabayaan daw sila pero laki naman ng binibigay sakanila pera plus mga international aid. Yung sa TV sinabi ng rebelde na kaya sila nagrerebelde kasi walang trabaho sa Mindanao. Bobo mag-isip taong yon... Paano mag iinvest mga tao doon sakanila para magkaroon ng trabaho sa lugar kung madalas sila mismo ang dahilan kaya natatakot mga negosyante invest sa ARMM.

^^ Violence fends of interested investors. Well, Davao and CDO have vibrant and burgeoning economies, even Zamboanga, there's no way unemployment would be such that it can be a reason to support rebellion. Instead of being individualistic, why don't these rebels start for the better by supporting for peace and amity rather than wreaking havoc and creating violence that turn off viable investments.

The way I see it, Mindanao's problem is no different than the rest of the Philippines except on a slightly higher scale because of the presence of other militant groups apart from MILF.
Firms are pulling out of the Ph, projects are slapped with corruption, some are even canceled for no reason, peace and order is still shady, agencies are too bureaucratic. It all boils down to the Ph's complacency with the status quo. There will never be reforms because Pinoys aren't willing to grow up and take a stand for themselves. Pinoys seem perfectly willing to continue themselves to be deluded and taken advantage of by their own government and foreigners. Then when something unsavory happens, we just point fingers.
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And we wonder why other nations continue to look down on us and stereotype us.

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"Two officers have been relieved: Lt. Col. Leo Pena, 4th Special Forces Battalion Commander, and Col. Alexander Macario, head of the Special Operations Team-Basilan (SOTF-B). Speaking with high-ranking officers familiar with the case, one more officer, they say, should have been questioned – if not relieved - as well: Col. Alminkadra Undug, Army Special Forces Regiment Commander based in Zamboanga. He is Pena’s immediate superior in the Special Forces chain of command and the man whom sources say gave Pena the target intelligence package for the operation. Col. Undug handled MIG9 (the Military Intelligence Group) in Zamboanga and was implicated in the Hello, Garci scandal."



WHY THE FIASCO IN BASILAN
by Move.PH on Wednesday, October 26, 2011 at 10:25pm
By Maria A. Ressa,
Author-in-Residence & Senior Fellow
International Centre for Political Violence & Terrorism Research, RSIS

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MANILA, Philippines -- How could good men with good intentions go so horribly wrong? You’ve seen my summary of what actually went wrong. This is my attempt to figure out WHY it did. Keep in mind that just because the October 18 operation in Basilan was inept (and led to the deaths of 19 soldiers in Al-Barka) doesn’t mean the individual soldiers are inept.

Two officers have been relieved: Lt. Col. Leo Pena, 4th Special Forces Battalion Commander, and Col. Alexander Macario, head of the Special Operations Team-Basilan (SOTF-B). Speaking with high-ranking officers familiar with the case, one more officer, they say, should have been questioned – if not relieved - as well: Col. Alminkadra Undug, Army Special Forces Regiment Commander based in Zamboanga. He is Pena’s immediate superior in the Special Forces chain of command and the man whom sources say gave Pena the target intelligence package for the operation. Col. Undug handled MIG9 (the Military Intelligence Group) in Zamboanga and was implicated in the Hello, Garci scandal.

Col. Macario is outspoken about being bypassed. When Lt. Col. Pena told him about the operations, troops had already been deployed. “Wala akong operational lapses,” Macario told me. Yet, 19 men died so he did what he felt was honorable and volunteered for court martial. The only man aside from him who had the authority to mobilize those soldiers is Col. Undug, who allegedly bypassed the area commander. I could not reach Col. Undug for comment.

This is part of the reason sources say Pena had the courage to “just fyi” Macario, and why Macario allowed the operation to continue. Both Army Chief Lt. Gen. Arturo Ortiz and Secretary of Defense Voltaire Gazmin are Special Forces.

There are at least three other underlying complications that may offer additional insights:
A new paradigm in military processes and operations
An unspoken rivalry between the Scout Rangers and the Special Forces


The PMA culture of “Take Life”

Special Operations Task Force-Basilan (SOTF-B) is less than a year old. When I visited Basilan several months ago, Macario was moving quickly on operations. He has been effective – leading 22 successful combat operations in 7 months.

His elite task force is an experiment that may be partly based on a US model. US operations in the Philippines are carried out by the Joint Special Operations Task Force-Philippines (JSOTF-P).

Part of the reasoning behind the change was the observation that conventional territorial forces were easily tracked and “made too much noise” which alerted their enemies who were more agile and mobile.

It also, however, meant a new command process that - as October 18 proved – had not been fully tested.

Secondly, some soldiers spoke about a rivalry beneath the surface – between the Scout Rangers and the Special Forces which made up Macario’s team. The Rangers were chosen to lead the 22 successful operations. Macario is a Ranger with Special Forces training. Some SF soldiers said they thought he was partial to the Rangers. He told them: “I don’t want you to die in Basilan. You are not yet operationally capable.”

This is the first time the 4th Special Forces Battalion acted as territorial forces - part of the reason why they underestimated both the terrain and their enemy, according to a classified investigation report titled “Encounter in Basilan” written on October 20.

Finally, numerous sources spoke about a culture that celebrates courage, a practice they called “take life” – part of officers’ training and culture going back to the Philippine Military Academy. “Take Life” means having the courage to jump in and take the consequences. At least two officers cautioned Pena about the dangers of his plan, but he overruled them, allegedly saying “take life.”

I am not a conspiracy theorist; I prefer Occam’s Razor: “the simplest answer is often correct.” I only offer some possible strands of reasoning which explain why the fiasco in Basilan happened.


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Hmmm... hYPocrites

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It's perfectly ok again to invite Uncle Sam to use all old facilities for as long as China keeps gatecrashing the party. Thank you, mga nationalists kuno.
I wonder how much we are getting now for modern upgrades.:nuts:

^^ I'm starting to lose penchant of the Americans lately.

^^ I'm starting to lose penchant of the Americans lately.

Eh for what 1 US ambassador said?
Anyway, Phiblex only happened because Phil govt right now is perfectly willing to be groped by and beg for GI aid from Uncle Sam.
Btw, I'm Film so don't lump in with them political rednecks just because I'm still American to them.:lol: (US doesn't recognise dual citizenship btw)
although I do think you mean Washington foreign policy.:lol: That's understandable.

^^ Yeah. Washington.

I'm Filipino without any Chinese blood. (proud to say that)

Sheesh. Well, speak of Americans, they're only useful against China but I don't like them sticking their nose into every single domestic problem we have.

It's much better if these things are left for the Philippine Government without those pesky Washington perks coming in the mixer party. LOL! :lol::lol::lol:

^^ Eh don't worry. You'll find plenty of Americans in good old USA who would agree with you. There are even minorities who are now thinking of going back to isolationism because of all the blunders Washington/Capitol Hill are doing round the world.:sly:

I think in the Philippine's case, it's good old Foreign policy (http://bayan-natin.blogspot.com/2011/06/us-foreign-policy-and-philippines.html)(that of the Us or any nation for that matter) since we are rich in resources and potential investments and probably, a force of habit by the US :lol: (not being helped by the inadeqaucies/corruption of Manila)?

Seriously, sometimes I'm thinking the relationship between the Ph and US is that of a divorced family or an estranged MOther and child relationship. The Ph keeps insisting she's an adult now and should be left alone until she finds herself stumbling out of a bar and goes running to Mother America for help.:lol:
And of course, Mother America is only perfectly willing to still dictate since she still needs her daughter's skills at home.

Seriously, sometimes I'm thinking the relationship between the Ph and US is that of a divorced family or an estranged MOther and child relationship. The Ph keeps insisting she's an adult now and should be left alone until she finds herself stumbling out of a bar and goes running to Mother America for help.:lol:
And of course, Mother America is only perfectly willing to still dictate since she still needs her daughter's skills at home.

^^ very well said.

I'm a proud Dabawenyo. I love Davao City very, very much, you see it at the text above my avatar. I don't even want to go abroad because I'd rather serve my city rather than foreigners.

But proud as a Filipino? Not sure...

Hmm... so you don't like to be Filipino? That's the reason why Mindanao is not developing!!! Exactly because of this!

It depends. After all, being a Filipino is a citizenship., not a race or blood.



Since when the National Government took care of Mindanao? As I said before, its already neglected for several decades. If the National Government took care of Mindanao well long before, rebellions won't exists!




And then, how do Mindanao get in return?


Oh, so it's the national governments fault that MILF, MNLF, Abu Sayyaf is terrorizing the Filipino people in Mindanao??? How about the local government?

It's really strange that some people still don't like to belong to the Philippines! They would rather belong to a very small region or even city? What makes them proud to belong to a city? Without the Philippines there would be no region or city as of today! Pls. think of that. So in reality they are all Filipino! hehe

Oh, so it's the national governments fault that MILF, MNLF, Abu Sayyaf is terrorizing the Filipino people in Mindanao??? How about the local government?

Brother, with their way of thinking, these terrorists are not even terrorizing Philippines. They are terrorizing Mindanao which makes its cities miserable and deprive. And these people are blaming it to their so called "Imperial Manila" which made me think, where the hell is Imperial Manila?

^^ Eh don't worry. You'll find plenty of Americans in good old USA who would agree with you. There are even minorities who are now thinking of going back to isolationism because of all the blunders Washington/Capitol Hill are doing round the world.:sly:

I think in the Philippine's case, it's good old Foreign policy (http://bayan-natin.blogspot.com/2011/06/us-foreign-policy-and-philippines.html)(that of the Us or any nation for that matter) since we are rich in resources and potential investments and probably, a force of habit by the US :lol: (not being helped by the inadeqaucies/corruption of Manila)?

Seriously, sometimes I'm thinking the relationship between the Ph and US is that of a divorced family or an estranged MOther and child relationship. The Ph keeps insisting she's an adult now and should be left alone until she finds herself stumbling out of a bar and goes running to Mother America for help.:lol:
And of course, Mother America is only perfectly willing to still dictate since she still needs her daughter's skills at home.

Just read the article and I can agree with the U.S foreign policy. Indeed it is important to have more commercial connections than political commitments and attachments to other countries. This is ironic knowing that PHL has ever since been politically attached to Mother America if not to Mother Spain. Filipino culture is more of amity and friendship rather than commerce and business. We are among the happiest peoples in the world despite our economic standing. We do not find satisfaction in just material wealth but rather have a deeper social foundations. The U.S simply wants to give way to its companies to do business abroad but not really to meddle with the issues of the host countries. It is obvious why they are not 'that' active about the West Philippine Sea dispute as much as PHL and VN is. Their intervention in the Mindanao insurgency is something I kinda still need clearing. I do not think of any 'commercial' reasons solid enough to drag them in. But as it looks their still stocking their nose into this problem.

An example was in World War II, it was obvious that the United States of America was politically and culturally tied to the British Empire of 20th century and yet as it adopted an 'isolationist' policy, it did not participate in the war early on and only got their heels ready when France fell knowing that if Great Britain falls then Nazi Germany, Italy and the Imperial Japanese could close in to the continental U.S in all directions. Form both the Pacific and the Atlantic, U.S concerns were growing high as the Allied Powers were being beaten down by Hitler's Germany. It is suffice enough to force them in. It's either they help Lady Britannia or they end up abiding to extremist policies of the Nazis. But despite that, they were still able to take advantage of it. WWII was the reason the U.S became the world's most powerful nation. It had 11 million troops in just one year and had expanded its navy able to cover seas from the Atlantic down to the Indian Ocean and even the Pacific. War loans of other Allied nations greatly helped the U.S in its economy.

Back to PHL, I guess it should be a matter of foreign policy for the Philippines to have just 'commercial' interests in our foreign relations. And if we are to develop special ties with nations, it must be only to few and not to everyone. Those nations who are 'trustworthy' enough to be longterm allies. Because sometimes, in the hardest of times, only those that are closely linked to you in a reciprocal manner can be the only ones to stay by you until the very end.

We need the U.S against China. An alliance with Vietnam would be wise if we were concerned of China's aggression in WPS. But when we talk of MILF and Mindanao, it should be for us alone. We can eradicate these rebels without their help and we are well prepared to face them. It is just a matter of enough political wisdom and will on the side of the politicians and enough political maturity on the side of the Filipino Citizenry. :)

And this is exactly a big problem.

Masyadong insular ang pananaw mo. You are Filipino first before you are a Dabawenyo. Davao is nothing without the Philippines. People know Philippines first before they get to know Davao.

Hate to say this, but I find your statement shameful. Hate to admit but ganito mag isip ang karamihan ang mga Pilipino. You think small. Masyadong regionalist, tribal, clannish. Kaya hindi tayo umuunlad kasi ganito karamihan sa atin mag isip.

When someone asks me where I am from, I say I am from the Philippines. Not from Aklan, nor Makati nor Iloilo.

just check on the signatures of some cebuano forumers.. many are toying with the idea of a separate cebu republic.. :ohno:

one even had this as his siggy before "philippines without cebu is like a table without a leg".. pathetic!!!

And this is exactly a big problem.

Masyadong insular ang pananaw mo. You are Filipino first before you are a Dabawenyo. Davao is nothing without the Philippines. People know Philippines first before they get to know Davao.

Hate to say this, but I find your statement shameful. Hate to admit but ganito mag isip ang karamihan ang mga Pilipino. You think small. Masyadong regionalist, tribal, clannish. Kaya hindi tayo umuunlad kasi ganito karamihan sa atin mag isip.

When someone asks me where I am from, I say I am from the Philippines. Not from Aklan, nor Makati nor Iloilo.

nakakalungkot. :ohno: walang masama kung matutuwa ka sa developments, economy, status, ng probinsiya mo pero ang magdalawang isip kung Pilipino ka? malaking problema yan.

After Sibugay, AFP preparing strike in Basilan (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=742368&publicationSubCategoryId=63)
By Jaime Laude (The Philippine Star) Updated October 29, 2011 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Next stop: Basilan.

Now in full control of the stronghold of militants in Payao, Zamboanga Sibugay, the military leadership is preparing an intricate strike in the island province of Basilan against the “rogue rebels” behind the slaying of 19 Special Forces troops in Al Barka town on Tuesday last week.

The planned strike is in line with the “all-out justice” promised by President Aquino to the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) and the Philippine National Police (PNP) to punish all the perpetrators of the attack.

– Roel Pareño, Alexis Romero

just check on the signatures of some cebuano forumers.. many are toying with the idea of a separate cebu republic.. :ohno:

one even had this as his siggy before "philippines without cebu is like a table without a leg".. pathetic!!!

Dami ako nakilala ganyan sa abroad.

Just read the article and I can agree with the U.S foreign policy. Indeed it is important to have more commercial connections than political commitments and attachments to other countries. This is ironic knowing that PHL has ever since been politically attached to Mother America if not to Mother Spain. Filipino culture is more of amity and friendship rather than commerce and business. We are among the happiest peoples in the world despite our economic standing. We do not find satisfaction in just material wealth but rather have a deeper social foundations.
Aww...but there's our problem. Ph is not only politically attached, she's sentimental to the hilt!! Like Senator Shahani (P.S. youcan read my historical anecdote about her in the Philippines Wartime thread:lol:) once said.
Meanwhile, Mother America is just deadma. Yeah, yeah we're brothers...now are there coconuts around here:lol:

The U.S simply wants to give way to its companies to do business abroad but not really to meddle with the issues of the host countries. It is obvious why they are not 'that' active about the West Philippine Sea dispute as much as PHL and VN is. Their intervention in the Mindanao insurgency is something I kinda still need clearing. I do not think of any 'commercial' reasons solid enough to drag them in. But as it looks their still stocking their nose into this problem.

That kinda has me stumped as well. If I could hazard a guess, and I'm sure you understand, America is still focused on fighting terrorism. I once read an article about the AFP saying that terrorists are using the country's southern border as a backdoor. Also, if you can remember they (Washington)wanted combat troops in the Ph at first until they were told it was expressly forbidden in Philippine constitution.
Just how rich is Mindanao in natural resources, anyway? If it's really that valuable, then that's another possible reason why the Americans (Japs, Brits etc) are advocating peace. The sooner the region returns to a "normalcy" , the better for their Al-Quiada witch hunt and possibly be rewarded another local counterfoil.

ang kawawang mga sundalo natin...no Justice....at ngayon nagtatago na ang nagpayaman na Gen. Ligot and Mrs. Ligot has gone missing..hiding due to tax evasion...nagpayaman ang mga yan habang namamtay anf I'll equiped na soldiers natin..


Pwede ba Magpa order ng Shoot to kill order for those two?...kung baboy din lang mga Generals natin...forget Democracy! It beats the purpose..nakakbaba ng morale ng sundalo.:ohno::bash:

^^hehehe too much democracy will kill you aie este will set you free ehh... Ganun! ...

Modernizing the PAF helicopter force (http://adroth.ph/afpmodern/?p=871)

just check on the signatures of some cebuano forumers.. many are toying with the idea of a separate cebu republic.. :ohno:

one even had this as his siggy before "philippines without cebu is like a table without a leg".. pathetic!!!

nakakalungkot. :ohno: walang masama kung matutuwa ka sa developments, economy, status, ng probinsiya mo pero ang magdalawang isip kung Pilipino ka? malaking problema yan.

+1

I am equally as proud of Cebu, Davao as I am as proud of Aklan, Iloilo, Batanes, etc.

Andaming maliit mag isip na Pilipino. Sad. It's like looking at the sky from the bottom of a well.

^^ masyadong glorified ang regionalism sa Pinas. Marami ring hindi tanggap ang konsepto ng iisa at nagkakaisang mga Pilipino. May mga tao pa nga dito na parang gusto nang magtatag ng sarili nilang bansa. Pathetic.

^^ masyadong glorified ang regionalism sa Pinas. Marami ring hindi tanggap ang konsepto ng iisa at nagkakaisang mga Pilipino. May mga tao pa nga dito na parang gusto nang magtatag ng sarili nilang bansa. Pathetic.

That's right very pathetic.

^^ Well, they can't really be blamed. The government also has to be blamed. Ever since independence in 1946, the Philippine political structure and activity has always been centered to Imperial Manila. The centralized system has left the other non-NCR provinces with nothing but sticks and stone up until the realization of the Local Government Code of the Philippines. Yet, even so, continued negligence from the Manila-centric National Government, has made them feel somewhat 'estranged' from the the former. That could be why Filipino regionalism is very high. I assume that a psychological attitude towards others have been developed in their and even in my mindset; that they want to have more prosperity in their areas as compared to others and that they wanted to be 'Independent' rather than to be continually neglected by the National Government.

I guess, the Philippines should have decentralized its government offices ever since and gave the provinces the power to spend whatever income they generate and not siphon away their income and be given crumbs of it known as 'IRA Allotments'. Perhaps for them this is unfair to them because first and foremost they were the ones generating those income and it were the fruits of their labors and yet they only get a few handfuls of it.

I will take Cebu as an example as I personally have gone through this type of psychological attitude. Since time immemorial, we Cebuanos have taken pride on our heritage as a people long before Hispanic influence came to the Philippines. We were the oldest city and the oldest Capital City of the country; just 7 years ahead of Manila. But soon when change came and we no longer enjoy those privileges, Cebu accepted the fact that it is no longer what it used to be. Still, it remained faithful to the country. One worst thing that triggered such desire to secede was the Typhoon Ruping of 1990's that wreaked havoc on the island and left the island in food shortage and continuous black-outs. It appealed to the national government in Manila for help but the latter cannot do so because Ruping also devastated Metro Manila and it was not capable of helping out. Since then, Cebu stood on its own heels and survived the disaster, eventually resulting in the economic boom (Ceboom) that caused the current economic prosperity thereof. During that time, many politicians and local Cebuanos have since been pushing for secession from the Philippines with the concept - 'Republic of Cebu' being coined by political leaders. It became a benchmark for Cebu's new mindset that it cannot rely on Manila anymore and needs to stand on its own, thus, might require secession. But I do not think is a wise move because it will be our own bane if we did so.

It could also be the similar situations in other provinces that resulted in such 'regionalistic' perception of other areas. That is how I see things only though. It's my POV. IMHO. ;)

^^ yet lots of people not living in 'Imperial Manila' keeps on voting 'Manila-centric' leaders.

Having Malacanang in Manila IMHO is the clearest evidence of this 'Imperial Manila' concept. Look, what if we build two presidential mansions in Cebu and Davao? and the president would divide his six-year term staying two years each at Luzon, Vis and Min? would that lessen regionalism?

kapag ako naging presidente gagawin ko 'yan. bwahaha. jk.

^^ hahaha! LOL naman! presidente talaga? mas gusto ko maging emperador o Fuhrer ng Pilipinas. :D :D :D

Pero hindi rin. I think the reason goes more deeply than just that. We have Manila-centric leaders because most of the candidates are from NCR. And a vast majority of the voters are in NCR.

We already have a Malacanang in Cebu AFAIK but I dunno for DVO. ;)

In my observation, progress is now beyond the borders of MM. I hope this will be the start.

Let's talk more about national defense...Missed all those pictures of copters, warships and fighter planes.

^^ yep, no matter what the rebels are doing the country is getting better and better economically as a whole as of now.

The Sokols are said to be arriving weeks or about a month from now. yay.
Slowly but surely we're getting better. yun lang.

^^ yet lots of people not living in 'Imperial Manila' keeps on voting 'Manila-centric' leaders.

Having Malacanang in Manila IMHO is the clearest evidence of this 'Imperial Manila' concept. Look, what if we build two presidential mansions in Cebu and Davao? and the president would divide his six-year term staying two years each at Luzon, Vis and Min? would that lessen regionalism?

kapag ako naging presidente gagawin ko 'yan. bwahaha. jk.

Do you think a federal government would lessen regionalism?

If I'm to decide where to put the capital, I should say place it bordering 3 provinces and none of those 3 provinces will have any jurisdiction on that capital similar to Washington D.C. I would say place in Northern Luzon, or Central Mindanao. If it's in Visayas, I would say place it in the Panay Island as long as there are three or more provinces bordering with each other. Metro Manila, Cebu, Davao, Baguio, Subic, Iloilo, and Cagayan de Oro are not ideal places because those are economic centers. The capital should be far removed from them. :D

Each provinces will vote for their own senators in a similar manner with the congress so those regions with lesser population will have even representation at a national level against the number of representatives of a region with a bigger population represented in the Congress.

Once we implemented that, then the government would truly become a clone of the US government - made in the Philippines. :lol:

Once we implemented that, then the government would truly become a clone of the US government - made in the Philippines. :lol:

Then what's wrong with that? Lack of originality, perhaps? :sly:

On the other hand, time and again, regionalism is already there, way way way way before this group of island we are standing are called Philippines. For those who can't stand regionalism, DEAL WITH IT.

Despite of my bleak outlook, I still believe in unity by diversity. If the National Government won't respect the diversity of this county especially the culture and languages, well they are screwed.

That includes the people up north.

Then what's wrong with that? Lack of originality, perhaps? :sly:

On the other hand, time and again, regionalism is already there, way way way way before this group of island we are standing are called Philippines. For those who can't stand regionalism, DEAL WITH IT.

Despite of my bleak outlook, I still believe in unity by diversity. If the National Government won't respect the diversity of this county especially the culture and languages, well they are screwed.

That includes the people up north.

I don't see anything wrong with that. They say that the Phil govt. is patterned after US - well, not quite. It's just imitation. :lol:

Our government seems to be a mishmash of the US presidential system (set up) and the Japanese Diet (multi-party, centralized system) which are two opposite systems. We copied their governments based on individualistic and conformist elements then modified it on our own which results into conflict of interests and concentration of power for one group of people in a multi-ethnic state.

Japan won't have the problem with this model since they have a homogenous society.

I think this set up cause such divisiveness and regionalism because the pattern and economic growth is not even. The economic benefit goes to whoever is in control of the affairs of the country while leaving out the 'fringes'.

^^ yet lots of people not living in 'Imperial Manila' keeps on voting 'Manila-centric' leaders.

Having Malacanang in Manila IMHO is the clearest evidence of this 'Imperial Manila' concept. Look, what if we build two presidential mansions in Cebu and Davao? and the president would divide his six-year term staying two years each at Luzon, Vis and Min? would that lessen regionalism?

kapag ako naging presidente gagawin ko 'yan. bwahaha. jk.

Wouldnt a Federal republic mean that the "states' finally get a fair amount of funding on their own and not just settle for spare change
from Imperial Manila?

^^ Well, they can't really be blamed. The government also has to be blamed. Ever since independence in 1946, the Philippine political structure and activity has always been centered to Imperial Manila. The centralized system has left the other non-NCR provinces with nothing but sticks and stone up until the realization of the Local Government Code of the Philippines. Yet, even so, continued negligence from the Manila-centric National Government, has made them feel somewhat 'estranged' from the the former. That could be why Filipino regionalism is very high. I assume that a psychological attitude towards others have been developed in their and even in my mindset; that they want to have more prosperity in their areas as compared to others and that they wanted to be 'Independent' rather than to be continually neglected by the National Government.

I guess, the Philippines should have decentralized its government offices ever since and gave the provinces the power to spend whatever income they generate and not siphon away their income and be given crumbs of it known as 'IRA Allotments'. Perhaps for them this is unfair to them because first and foremost they were the ones generating those income and it were the fruits of their labors and yet they only get a few handfuls of it.

I will take Cebu as an example as I personally have gone through this type of psychological attitude. Since time immemorial, we Cebuanos have taken pride on our heritage as a people long before Hispanic influence came to the Philippines. We were the oldest city and the oldest Capital City of the country; just 7 years ahead of Manila. But soon when change came and we no longer enjoy those privileges, Cebu accepted the fact that it is no longer what it used to be. Still, it remained faithful to the country. One worst thing that triggered such desire to secede was the Typhoon Ruping of 1990's that wreaked havoc on the island and left the island in food shortage and continuous black-outs. It appealed to the national government in Manila for help but the latter cannot do so because Ruping also devastated Metro Manila and it was not capable of helping out. Since then, Cebu stood on its own heels and survived the disaster, eventually resulting in the economic boom (Ceboom) that caused the current economic prosperity thereof. During that time, many politicians and local Cebuanos have since been pushing for secession from the Philippines with the concept - 'Republic of Cebu' being coined by political leaders. It became a benchmark for Cebu's new mindset that it cannot rely on Manila anymore and needs to stand on its own, thus, might require secession. But I do not think is a wise move because it will be our own bane if we did so.

It could also be the similar situations in other provinces that resulted in such 'regionalistic' perception of other areas. That is how I see things only though. It's my POV. IMHO. ;)

It's not just the government. It's the lack of real national pride and that doesn't mean just natural resources and Filipino traits. I mean, seriously boxers, singers and maids and beauty queens? No offense but those talents are not even unique to the Philippines. Look at Taiwan. Not even a recognised country and they have a thriving scitech industry. Same with little Singapore.

But then again, it's Filipino mediocrity and mendicancy to blame. Which is we are completely fine with the idea of "Super Maids":| Then cry out discrimination when a foreigner points it out.

South Korea and Taiwan are science and technology driven countries. Must be good thinkers. How come in chess they are at the bottom of the 130 countries list. I change my mind. They are not good thinkers also. And I am not even mentioning Japan which is also at the bottom of the list.

^^ I don't think it relies on having people who are good thinkers alone.
We have scientists and engineers too.It has more to do with the lack of opportunities, pay and government support.

Brain drain is still one of our biggest problems:ohno:

4 NPAs slain in Cagayan clash (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/4-npas-slain-cagayan-clash-194057096.html)
PhilStar – Fri, Oct 28, 2011

ANGELES CITY, Philippines – Four New People’s Army (NPA) guerrillas were killed and scores of others, including three civilians, were wounded in a running gunbattle yesterday between the insurgents and men of the Army’s 17th Infantry Battalion in Baggao, Cagayan.

In a report, the Armed Forces’ Northern Luzon Command (Nolcom) said the clash started as early as 5:30 a.m. when the Army’s Bayanihan patrol led by 2Lt. Kenneth Pangcoga was fired upon by a group of NPA rebels.

The identities of the slain rebels were not immediately known, but the three civilians wounded in the crossfire were identified as Zaldy Durado, 25; Arnold Pasion, 30; and four-year-old Amolito Durado.

Nolcom said civilians tipped off Pangcoga as early as 4 a.m. to warn the group of the rebels’ presence in Barangay San Miguel, Baggao town.

Items recovered by government troops included two M-16 rifles, a shotgun, a generator set, a laptop and computer printer, a cellular phone, and subversive documents, Nolcom said.

Nolcom spokesman Capt. Jovily Carmel Cabading said, “We, as soldiers, do not rejoice in the death of these four rebels. They are our fellow Filipinos.”

“It is just unfortunate that they opted to trek the wrong path. We will find more fulfillment in our mission if people like them will voluntarily lay down their arms and start life anew with their loved ones. We do not want unnecessary bloodshed,” she said.

Meanwhile, Lt. Col. Alvin Flores, the commander of the 17th IB, requested for medical teams instead of the usual combat reinforcement to the scene of the firefight.

“We are sending a message to the wounded NPA (rebels) that we will receive them with open arms and will definitely attend to their medical needs. We have no choice but to stop the hot pursuit operations because they opted to hide inside the civilians’ abode,” Flores said.

“If they fire at our troops first, we cannot immediately fire back fearing for the presence of civilians inside the houses. If they continue to hide inside the houses, it will appear that they are holding the civilians hostage,” he added. – With Ric Sapnu, Charlie Lagasca, Raymund Catindig, Artemio Dumlao, Jaime Laude - By Ding Cervantes (Philstar News Service, www.philstar.com)

4 NPAs slain in Cagayan clash (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/4-npas-slain-cagayan-clash-194057096.html)
PhilStar – Fri, Oct 28, 2011

soldiers should work with the civilians dapat para ma reduce ang damages at madali mahuli mga rebelde at kriminal na yan:ohno: kaya nga kelangan na talagang ubusin mga peste na yan kasi salot talaga sa pamummuhay ng mga residente dyan:bash:

^^ yet lots of people not living in 'Imperial Manila' keeps on voting 'Manila-centric' leaders.

Having Malacanang in Manila IMHO is the clearest evidence of this 'Imperial Manila' concept. Look, what if we build two presidential mansions in Cebu and Davao? and the president would divide his six-year term staying two years each at Luzon, Vis and Min? would that lessen regionalism?

kapag ako naging presidente gagawin ko 'yan. bwahaha. jk.

If you do that then you would have to move national offices of other agencies as well. It's a cosmetic solution to a deep seated and entirely flawed attitude. I don't see Washington DC being moved from East Coast to West Coast.


Do you think a federal government would lessen regionalism?

If I'm to decide where to put the capital, I should say place it bordering 3 provinces and none of those 3 provinces will have any jurisdiction on that capital similar to Washington D.C. I would say place in Northern Luzon, or Central Mindanao. If it's in Visayas, I would say place it in the Panay Island as long as there are three or more provinces bordering with each other. Metro Manila, Cebu, Davao, Baguio, Subic, Iloilo, and Cagayan de Oro are not ideal places because those are economic centers. The capital should be far removed from them. :D

Each provinces will vote for their own senators in a similar manner with the congress so those regions with lesser population will have even representation at a national level against the number of representatives of a region with a bigger population represented in the Congress.

Once we implemented that, then the government would truly become a clone of the US government - made in the Philippines. :lol:


I think that will be a good idea, equal representation re: Senators, however, we have already that with provinces having Representatives to the House. Dint solve the problem.


Then what's wrong with that? Lack of originality, perhaps? :sly:

On the other hand, time and again, regionalism is already there, way way way way before this group of island we are standing are called Philippines. For those who can't stand regionalism, DEAL WITH IT.

Despite of my bleak outlook, I still believe in unity by diversity. If the National Government won't respect the diversity of this county especially the culture and languages, well they are screwed.

That includes the people up north.


DEAL WITH IT? What do you think the entire country have been doing all this time? Just because something was there before the Philippines was formed, wala na tayong magagawa. Unity in diversity doesn't mean anybody could bash the entire country. That Davao dude's attitude is entirely shameful. Nakakahiya.


Wouldnt a Federal republic mean that the "states' finally get a fair amount of funding on their own and not just settle for spare change
from Imperial Manila?


Billions of pesos through the years of pork barrel isnt exactly spare change. Billions of pesos poured into Mindanao conflict zones wasn't exactly spare change. Problem is this funding is STOLEN by the local leaders themselves. If we want to see corruption, people in Mindanao and in other parts of the country should not look further than their own barangay captains, councillors, mayors, governors, congressmen.

Puro kasi sisi sa Manila pero ambilis naman magnakaw ng mga taga LGU tapos sasabihing walang pera. Camarines Sur for example. That province used to be a backwater - thanks to the tourism initiatives by their LGUs, lumago ang turismo at probinsya nila.

It's not just the government. It's the lack of real national pride and that doesn't mean just natural resources and Filipino traits. I mean, seriously boxers, singers and maids and beauty queens? No offense but those talents are not even unique to the Philippines. Look at Taiwan. Not even a recognised country and they have a thriving scitech industry. Same with little Singapore.

But then again, it's Filipino mediocrity and mendicancy to blame. Which is we are completely fine with the idea of "Super Maids":| Then cry out discrimination when a foreigner points it out.

Tama.

Guys I seem to be getting conflicting reports...

Is AFP getting the Sokols or not?..If so when is the first unit set to arrive?:)

Also they don't seem to be Attack Helicopter version but more on patrol/rescue version. Sayang.

I'm a proud Dabawenyo. I love Davao City very, very much, you see it at the text above my avatar. I don't even want to go abroad because I'd rather serve my city rather than foreigners.

But proud as a Filipino? Not sure...

Well then get out.....move to Borneo or something...Davao is Philippines Period Mindanao if Philippines Period...

..Anyway I'm not gonna waste time on you....no point talking to MILF members....narrow minded. :ohno:

i soooo fuckin love this country! this fuckin democracy is soooo lively!!! GO FUCK YOURSELVES FELLOW FILIPINOS!!!!

rage...you're living up to your name.chill. Oh wait, last time i checked there are millions of Filipinos and increasing therefore Filipinos are indeed fucking Filipinos. lol.

we are indeed getting the transport version of the Sokol. Be patient. It'll be a nice Christmas for us. :D

Do you think a federal government would lessen regionalism?

If I'm to decide where to put the capital, I should say place it bordering 3 provinces and none of those 3 provinces will have any jurisdiction on that capital similar to Washington D.C. I would say place in Northern Luzon, or Central Mindanao. If it's in Visayas, I would say place it in the Panay Island as long as there are three or more provinces bordering with each other. Metro Manila, Cebu, Davao, Baguio, Subic, Iloilo, and Cagayan de Oro are not ideal places because those are economic centers. The capital should be far removed from them. :D

Each provinces will vote for their own senators in a similar manner with the congress so those regions with lesser population will have even representation at a national level against the number of representatives of a region with a bigger population represented in the Congress.

Once we implemented that, then the government would truly become a clone of the US government - made in the Philippines. :lol:

i hope so....US style federalism imho is good...but in the case of the PHL please don't authorize the creation of state national guards...they'll end up as private armies.

Sa lahat ng Ex Chamsuri ito nalang ata naarmasan ng Emerlec Twin Naval guns the rest pinalitan na ng bofors.
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sana kung ibibigay ang pohang wag sana kahuyan at palitan ng mga lumang armas

DEAL WITH IT? What do you think the entire country have been doing all this time? Just because something was there before the Philippines was formed, wala na tayong magagawa. Unity in diversity doesn't mean anybody could bash the entire country. That Davao dude's attitude is entirely shameful. Nakakahiya.

At bat ko naman ikakahiya ang pagiging regionalistic beh? I'm a proud Dabawenyo and I'm proud for being rationalistic for it.

So you are trying to tell me, to tell us, that it is shameful to be regionalistic? That we should slave our mind to Imperial Manila because that's what being a true Filipino really is?

And which part of my attitude is entirely shameful? That I said I love Davao City, but not being a Filipino as a whole? So you are forcing me be proud as a Filipino as a whole when I pretty much have more to be proud of as a Dabawenyo than being a Filipino.

LOL at butthurt nationalists who clearly has little knowledge of Mindanao other than what the media tells them. Although I give some people here some points for knowing that there are still lumads living here in Mindanao. Majority of Filipinos will think Mindanao is majorly Islamic.

Well then get out.....move to Borneo or something...Davao is Philippines Period Mindanao if Philippines Period...

..Anyway I'm not gonna waste time on you....no point talking to MILF members....narrow minded. :ohno:

And why would I go to Borneo or other countries? Is Davao City situated there? I said I'm loyal to Davap City. Going to other countries just beats its purpose and plain nonsensical. Use your common sense please.

And just because I said the reasons and advantages of Mindanao separating from Philippines doesn't make me an MILF. You are the narrow minded one.

You better not reply, you hypocrite.

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Also, I'm proud that I triggered this debate. At least I know what other people from Luzon and Visayas think of Mindanao. Maybe Philippines and Filipinos needs more identity. We have been long blinded by Uncle Sam and our so called "latin history" that our Native history has been hardly touched upon. Due to the lack of knowledge of our real history and history in other parts of Philippines, we tend to think Philippines is a lumad country that has been colonized by foreigners, at least that's the extent of what the majority of the Filipino knows.

Seriously, if I asked you people outside Mindanao 'what is the history of Davao City?', I bet none of you can correctly answer that. (Davao City has a rich history that has been sadly been kept hidden since the main historians from the North fails or refuses to recognize it)

walang masama sa pagiging regionalistic hanggang walang nadadamay na iba.

sa totoo lang wala akong alam sa History ng Davao, Palawan, Cebu, etc kapareha ng kawalan ko ng alam sa iba pang probinsiya. ang alam ko lang syempre ay sa probinsiya ko. and if I asked what's the history of my province I bet none of you can correctly answer that maliban sa mga taga-Bulacan. right?

I think that will be a good idea, equal representation re: Senators, however, we have already that with provinces having Representatives to the House. Dint solve the problem.

In the US Federal system. The number of representative in each state is proportional to the population of the state it represents by a legal ratio (I don't know if the legal ratio is ratified on a state or federal level). So, the bigger the population for a given state, the more representation it will have in the Congress. However, there is a problem in that kind of set up alone - states with bigger population could potentially wield more political and economic power at the expense of the smaller states.

That is where the Senate comes into play - since each state is given 2 representatives regardless of population, the power by numbers of representatives in the lower congress eventually evens out with the Senate when it comes to passing laws that could favor the big states over the smaller ones. :)

That's why I kept looking for a reason why we even have a senate in a centralized, unitary setup. Worse, is that it also allows a multiparty system. It acts more of a Japanese Diet than a Presidential system :lol:

I think this will work out in our situation imo.

At bat ko naman ikakahiya ang pagiging regionalistic beh? I'm a proud Dabawenyo and I'm proud for being rationalistic for it.

So you are trying to tell me, to tell us, that it is shameful to be regionalistic? That we should slave our mind to Imperial Manila because that's what being a true Filipino really is?

And which part of my attitude is entirely shameful? That I said I love Davao City, but not being a Filipino as a whole? So you are forcing me be proud as a Filipino as a whole when I pretty much have more to be proud of as a Dabawenyo than being a Filipino.

LOL at butthurt nationalists who clearly has little knowledge of Mindanao other than what the media tells them. Although I give some people here some points for knowing that there are still lumads living here in Mindanao. Majority of Filipinos will think Mindanao is majorly Islamic.



And why would I go to Borneo or other countries? Is Davao City situated there? I said I'm loyal to Davap City. Going to other countries just beats its purpose and plain nonsensical. Use your common sense please.

And just because I said the reasons and advantages of Mindanao separating from Philippines doesn't make me an MILF. You are the narrow minded one.

You better not reply, you hypocrite.

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Well Duh!!! Just listen to you talk and ranting!. There's no problem being proud your city.
I have no problems with that.
But questioning the logic of being a proud pinoy is devisive and unproductive. Its
people like you you drag the country down.
We cannot deny the fact the previous and even current People in the Government has
neglected Other Cities and provinces I don't deny that either.

But both have faults I agree with the post earlier that funds get stolen by local leaders
once its allocated to they're cities so Both sides have faults. It happens in Manila it happens
Diffrent part of the country...NOT GOOD!
I wasn't really referring to you sa MILF.
I just used that to imply a point on your attitude.

Ow and yes I will reply because your attitude is ignorant and I dont agree with it.
I used my common sense...now use yours........

Its good to be proud of your city...good for you! but at the same time people should also have the attitude
off "Proud to be Filipino" (which includes Davao) your attitude also implies selfishness..
Not just in Manila but the rest of the country....sheeeeshhhhh

nakakahiya attitude mo....utter nonsense....it just proves ignorance.....perfect example of crab mentallity. You think your intelligent with that way of thinking. There's a difference between having freedom in a democracy to give opinion....but not when its not productive. Clearly way opinion is backward thinking.

Enrile: Peace talks might be part of MILF's delaying tactics

“I’m not very optimistic about these peace talks. Delaying tactics lang yan," he said in an interview on dzBB radio.

He added that when the MILF broke the ceasefire agreement in Basilan, it was testing the government’s willpower.

“Inumpisahan ng MILF magpaputok ng baril, they violated the ceasefire, anong ibig sabihin? What is the message of the MILF preparatory to this negotiation? ... Tine-test nila (kung) gaano katigas ang dibdib ng gobyerno," he said.

“The longer we go on like this, the weaker we become and the stronger the enemy will become," he added

Aquino ordered that while government troops intensify their pursuit against the perpetrators, the peace talks with the MILF will continue.

But Enrile pointed out that avoiding violence for now may lead to greater violence in the end.

“In the end, mas madugo ang kalalabasan niyan. We are avoiding violence but we will meet greater violence...," he said.

Enrile also said that while he is not espousing using an iron fist to deal with the MILF, the government should respond accordingly to the MILF’s actions.

“We study the situation at gamitin ang dapat gamitin na remedyo. Kung binabaril ka, barilin mo rin sila," he said.

Read more : http://www.gmanews.tv/story/237039/nation/enrile-peace-talks-might-be-part-of-milfs-delaying-tactics

At bat ko naman ikakahiya ang pagiging regionalistic beh? I'm a proud Dabawenyo and I'm proud for being rationalistic for it.

So you are trying to tell me, to tell us, that it is shameful to be regionalistic? That we should slave our mind to Imperial Manila because that's what being a true Filipino really is?

And which part of my attitude is entirely shameful? That I said I love Davao City, but not being a Filipino as a whole? So you are forcing me be proud as a Filipino as a whole when I pretty much have more to be proud of as a Dabawenyo than being a Filipino.

LOL at butthurt nationalists who clearly has little knowledge of Mindanao other than what the media tells them. Although I give some people here some points for knowing that there are still lumads living here in Mindanao. Majority of Filipinos will think Mindanao is majorly Islamic.



And why would I go to Borneo or other countries? Is Davao City situated there? I said I'm loyal to Davap City. Going to other countries just beats its purpose and plain nonsensical. Use your common sense please.

And just because I said the reasons and advantages of Mindanao separating from Philippines doesn't make me an MILF. You are the narrow minded one.

You better not reply, you hypocrite.

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Also, I'm proud that I triggered this debate. At least I know what other people from Luzon and Visayas think of Mindanao. Maybe Philippines and Filipinos needs more identity. We have been long blinded by Uncle Sam and our so called "latin history" that our Native history has been hardly touched upon. Due to the lack of knowledge of our real history and history in other parts of Philippines, we tend to think Philippines is a lumad country that has been colonized by foreigners, at least that's the extent of what the majority of the Filipino knows.

Seriously, if I asked you people outside Mindanao 'what is the history of Davao City?', I bet none of you can correctly answer that. (Davao City has a rich history that has been sadly been kept hidden since the main historians from the North fails or refuses to recognize it)



Mahina ang comprehension mo. Another reason why hindi tayo umuunlad, kasi kulang sa tamang edukasyon ang karamihan sa Pilipino. Hindi porket marunong kang magbasa at magsulat at nakakapaglog in sa Skyscraper City, matalino ka
na. Unawain mo nga ang mga pinagsasabi mo.

Nowhere did I say na masama maging proud sa sariling lungsod, probinsya, wika, but at the expense of the entire country. That's pure and utter bullshit.

Isa pa, wag kang magmagaling sa kasaysayan, kasi baka isampal ko sa yo ang kasaysayan ng buong bansa. Alam ko ang mga Lumad, in fact, I did my own anthropological and ethno-linguistic research when I was in 4th grade. Some of my close associates work with Lumads.

Nakakahiya ka kasi mag-isip ka hanggang tribo lang ang abot ng kaisipan mo. Pinapangalandakan mo pa dito ang basurang yan. I'm sure tuwang tuwa ang mga taga Beijing kung mabasa nila ang thread na to. We don't need the Chinese to destroy the country, willing people like you will do it first.

At bat ko naman ikakahiya ang pagiging regionalistic beh? I'm a proud Dabawenyo and I'm proud for being rationalistic for it.




Ok lang naman maging regionalistic basta huwag lang OA.... :lol:

Kung proud kang maging isang Dabawenyo, then stop right there.

Huwag mo nang sabihing youre not proud being a Filipino... it really doesnt make sense :ohno:

South Korea and Taiwan are science and technology driven countries. Must be good thinkers. How come in chess they are at the bottom of the 130 countries list. I change my mind. They are not good thinkers also. And I am not even mentioning Japan which is also at the bottom of the list.

Not Science but you need to be good in Math to be good in chess.

soldiers should work with the civilians dapat para ma reduce ang damages at madali mahuli mga rebelde at kriminal na yan:ohno: kaya nga kelangan na talagang ubusin mga peste na yan kasi salot talaga sa pamummuhay ng mga residente dyan:bash:

The problem is the rebels and some soldiers are also doing the same evil tactics.

Guys I seem to be getting conflicting reports...

Is AFP getting the Sokols or not?..If so when is the first unit set to arrive?:)

Also they don't seem to be Attack Helicopter version but more on patrol/rescue version. Sayang.

The AFP will get the 1st batch of 4 (out of 8 ordered) Sokol combat UTILITY (non-attack variant) helicopters this coming weeks. They will be used by the Special Operations Command.


sana kung ibibigay ang pohang wag sana kahuyan at palitan ng mga lumang armas

It will... just like BRP GDP!

Ako taga San Pablo City, I'm proud to be from there, pero I am a Filipino first before anything.

The AFP will get the 1st batch of 4 (out of 8 ordered) Sokol combat UTILITY (non-attack variant) helicopters this coming weeks. They will be used by the Special Operations Command.


will some of them be deployed in EAAB?

Ako taga San Pablo City, I'm proud to be from there, pero I am a Filipino first before anything.

Laguna yan diba? Been to Sampaloc Lake. :P

yup sa laguna yan, city of seven lakes, last laguna town before quezon province along maharlika highway!..hehehe

At bat ko naman ikakahiya ang pagiging regionalistic beh? I'm a proud Dabawenyo and I'm proud for being rationalistic for it.

So you are trying to tell me, to tell us, that it is shameful to be regionalistic? That we should slave our mind to Imperial Manila because that's what being a true Filipino really is?

And which part of my attitude is entirely shameful? That I said I love Davao City, but not being a Filipino as a whole? So you are forcing me be proud as a Filipino as a whole when I pretty much have more to be proud of as a Dabawenyo than being a Filipino.

LOL at butthurt nationalists who clearly has little knowledge of Mindanao other than what the media tells them. Although I give some people here some points for knowing that there are still lumads living here in Mindanao. Majority of Filipinos will think Mindanao is majorly Islamic.



And why would I go to Borneo or other countries? Is Davao City situated there? I said I'm loyal to Davap City. Going to other countries just beats its purpose and plain nonsensical. Use your common sense please.

And just because I said the reasons and advantages of Mindanao separating from Philippines doesn't make me an MILF. You are the narrow minded one.

You better not reply, you hypocrite.

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Also, I'm proud that I triggered this debate. At least I know what other people from Luzon and Visayas think of Mindanao. Maybe Philippines and Filipinos needs more identity. We have been long blinded by Uncle Sam and our so called "latin history" that our Native history has been hardly touched upon. Due to the lack of knowledge of our real history and history in other parts of Philippines, we tend to think Philippines is a lumad country that has been colonized by foreigners, at least that's the extent of what the majority of the Filipino knows.

Seriously, if I asked you people outside Mindanao 'what is the history of Davao City?', I bet none of you can correctly answer that. (Davao City has a rich history that has been sadly been kept hidden since the main historians from the North fails or refuses to recognize it)

If you can change your citizenship from Filipino to being a Dabaweneo then go on. Don't be a hypocrite. While you can't and you're still a c itizen of the Republic of the Philippines you have the duty and responsibility to upheld the dignity of your country which is the Philippines and not Davao. Not loving your country is being malansang isda as what our hero have said. And loving your country doesn't mean loving Imperial Manila alone or being her slave. And if you have your rich history that doesn't mean others don't have or they have less glorious history than yours. If you are not recognized it's not because Manila is doing that for you, it's how you Dabaweneos react on what the Manilans are writing about your history. Your region can always correct that. you have your own historians. Do not put the blame entirely to others. Half of the responsibility is in your own officials and your own people.

Mindanao and Davao is part of the Philippines and those separatists are traitors and will be treated as criminals according to the laws of the country of the Republic of the Philippines.

South Korea and Taiwan are science and technology driven countries. Must be good thinkers. How come in chess they are at the bottom of the 130 countries list. I change my mind. They are not good thinkers also. And I am not even mentioning Japan which is also at the bottom of the list.

because that is not a popular game here. seriously i never saw someone playing it because here they have their own chess it's different from that western chess. It's played usually by old folks in the park to to kill time and for retaining good memory also just like mahjong. i think the same with korea and japan and even china they don't play that western chess that much.

Ako taga San Pablo City, I'm proud to be from there, pero I am a Filipino first before anything.

Ako rin Im proud of My City San Pablo City Laguna The City Of Seven Lakes ..But Im Proud to be Filipino First :)

Hmmm... I wonder if US can sell Aegis Cruiser USS Philippine Sea to AFP lol...(Dreaming) Didn't realize she is still in Active service. 173m she longer than I first though I though she was only a small cruiser...smaller than Rajah Humabon..looks like almost twice the size.


Aegis Cruiser USS Philippine Sea
http://www.murdoconline.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/USS-Philippine-Sea.jpg

Class and type: Ticonderoga-class cruiser
Displacement: Approx. 9,600 long tons (9,800 t) full load
Length: 567 feet (173 m)
Beam: 55 feet (16.8 meters)
Draft: 34 feet (10.2 meters)
Propulsion:

4 × General Electric LM2500 gas turbine engines, 80,000 shaft horsepower (60,000 kW)
2 × controllable-reversible pitch propellers
2 × rudders
Speed: 32.5 knots (60 km/h)
Complement: 33 officers, 27 Chief Petty Officers, and approx. 340 enlisted
Sensors and
processing systems:

AN/SPY-1A/B multi-function radar
AN/SPS-49 air search radar
AN/SPG-62 fire control radar
AN/SPS-73 surface search radar
AN/SPQ-9 gun fire control radar
AN/SQQ-89(V)3 Sonar suite, consisting of

AN/SQS-53B/C/D active sonar
AN/SQR-19 TACTAS passive sonar
AN/SQQ-28 light airborne multi-purpose system

AN/SLQ-32 Electronic Warfare Suite
Armament: 2 × 61 cell Mk 41 vertical launch systems
122 × Mix of RIM-66M-5 Standard SM-2MR Block IIIB, RIM-156A SM-2ER Block IV, RIM-161 SM-3, RIM-162A ESSM, RIM-174A Standard ERAM, BGM-109 Tomahawk, or RUM-139A VL-ASROC
8 × RGM-84 Harpoon missiles
2 × Mk 45 Mod 2 5 in / 54 cal lightweight gun
2 × 25 mm Mk 38 gun
2–4 × .50 cal (12.7 mm) gun
2 × Phalanx CIWS Block 1B
2 × Mk 32 12.75 in (324 mm) triple torpedo tubes for lightweight torpedoes
Aircraft carried: 2 × Sikorsky SH-60B or MH-60R Seahawk LAMPS III helicopters.

Hmmm... I wonder if US can sell Aegis Cruiser USS Philippine Sea to AFP lol...(Dreaming) Didn't realize she is still in Active service. 173m she longer than I first though I though she was only a small cruiser...smaller than Rajah Humabon..looks like almost twice the size.


Aegis Cruiser USS Philippine Sea
http://www.murdoconline.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/USS-Philippine-Sea.jpg

Class and type: Ticonderoga-class cruiser
Displacement: Approx. 9,600 long tons (9,800 t) full load
Length: 567 feet (173 m)
Beam: 55 feet (16.8 meters)
Draft: 34 feet (10.2 meters)
Propulsion:

4 × General Electric LM2500 gas turbine engines, 80,000 shaft horsepower (60,000 kW)
2 × controllable-reversible pitch propellers
2 × rudders
Speed: 32.5 knots (60 km/h)
Complement: 33 officers, 27 Chief Petty Officers, and approx. 340 enlisted
Sensors and
processing systems:

AN/SPY-1A/B multi-function radar
AN/SPS-49 air search radar
AN/SPG-62 fire control radar
AN/SPS-73 surface search radar
AN/SPQ-9 gun fire control radar
AN/SQQ-89(V)3 Sonar suite, consisting of

AN/SQS-53B/C/D active sonar
AN/SQR-19 TACTAS passive sonar
AN/SQQ-28 light airborne multi-purpose system

AN/SLQ-32 Electronic Warfare Suite
Armament: 2 × 61 cell Mk 41 vertical launch systems
122 × Mix of RIM-66M-5 Standard SM-2MR Block IIIB, RIM-156A SM-2ER Block IV, RIM-161 SM-3, RIM-162A ESSM, RIM-174A Standard ERAM, BGM-109 Tomahawk, or RUM-139A VL-ASROC
8 × RGM-84 Harpoon missiles
2 × Mk 45 Mod 2 5 in / 54 cal lightweight gun
2 × 25 mm Mk 38 gun
2–4 × .50 cal (12.7 mm) gun
2 × Phalanx CIWS Block 1B
2 × Mk 32 12.75 in (324 mm) triple torpedo tubes for lightweight torpedoes
Aircraft carried: 2 × Sikorsky SH-60B or MH-60R Seahawk LAMPS III helicopters.

the system is notorious of an incident where an iranian passenger plane shootdown by the system used in a destroyer,..dangerous for the PAL and CEB pacific flights,..hehehe

yup sa laguna yan, city of seven lakes, last laguna town before quezon province along maharlika highway!..hehehe

Ako rin Im proud of My City San Pablo City Laguna The City Of Seven Lakes ..But Im Proud to be Filipino First :)

Yup! Ginala ko yang lugar ninyo. :) :cheers:

Hmmm... I wonder if US can sell Aegis Cruiser USS Philippine Sea to AFP lol...(Dreaming) Didn't realize she is still in Active service. 173m she longer than I first though I though she was only a small cruiser...smaller than Rajah Humabon..looks like almost twice the size.


Aegis Cruiser USS Philippine Sea
http://www.murdoconline.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/USS-Philippine-Sea.jpg

Class and type: Ticonderoga-class cruiser
Displacement: Approx. 9,600 long tons (9,800 t) full load
Length: 567 feet (173 m)
Beam: 55 feet (16.8 meters)
Draft: 34 feet (10.2 meters)
Propulsion:

4 × General Electric LM2500 gas turbine engines, 80,000 shaft horsepower (60,000 kW)
2 × controllable-reversible pitch propellers
2 × rudders
Speed: 32.5 knots (60 km/h)
Complement: 33 officers, 27 Chief Petty Officers, and approx. 340 enlisted
Sensors and
processing systems:

AN/SPY-1A/B multi-function radar
AN/SPS-49 air search radar
AN/SPG-62 fire control radar
AN/SPS-73 surface search radar
AN/SPQ-9 gun fire control radar
AN/SQQ-89(V)3 Sonar suite, consisting of

AN/SQS-53B/C/D active sonar
AN/SQR-19 TACTAS passive sonar
AN/SQQ-28 light airborne multi-purpose system

AN/SLQ-32 Electronic Warfare Suite
Armament: 2 × 61 cell Mk 41 vertical launch systems
122 × Mix of RIM-66M-5 Standard SM-2MR Block IIIB, RIM-156A SM-2ER Block IV, RIM-161 SM-3, RIM-162A ESSM, RIM-174A Standard ERAM, BGM-109 Tomahawk, or RUM-139A VL-ASROC
8 × RGM-84 Harpoon missiles
2 × Mk 45 Mod 2 5 in / 54 cal lightweight gun
2 × 25 mm Mk 38 gun
2–4 × .50 cal (12.7 mm) gun
2 × Phalanx CIWS Block 1B
2 × Mk 32 12.75 in (324 mm) triple torpedo tubes for lightweight torpedoes
Aircraft carried: 2 × Sikorsky SH-60B or MH-60R Seahawk LAMPS III helicopters.

Pwede yan benta ng US sa Pilipinas kapag naalis na nila ang 55% ng capability nyan.

Mahina ang comprehension mo. Another reason why hindi tayo umuunlad, kasi kulang sa tamang edukasyon ang karamihan sa Pilipino. Hindi porket marunong kang magbasa at magsulat at nakakapaglog in sa Skyscraper City, matalino ka
na. Unawain mo nga ang mga pinagsasabi mo.

Nowhere did I say na masama maging proud sa sariling lungsod, probinsya, wika, but at the expense of the entire country. That's pure and utter bullshit.

Isa pa, wag kang magmagaling sa kasaysayan, kasi baka isampal ko sa yo ang kasaysayan ng buong bansa. Alam ko ang mga Lumad, in fact, I did my own anthropological and ethno-linguistic research when I was in 4th grade. Some of my close associates work with Lumads.

Nakakahiya ka kasi mag-isip ka hanggang tribo lang ang abot ng kaisipan mo. Pinapangalandakan mo pa dito ang basurang yan. I'm sure tuwang tuwa ang mga taga Beijing kung mabasa nila ang thread na to. We don't need the Chinese to destroy the country, willing people like you will do it first.

Well said.

Yang regionalism na iyan ang halos pumatay sa rebolusyon natin.Pinatay na nga pala.Alam lang kapakanan ng tribo nya and to hell with the rest of the country.

Parang homeowner na naglilinis kuno ng bakuran pero itatapon ang basura sa lansangan. basta malinis bahay nya wala ng pakialam sa mundo. Yang ang may utak regionalismo.

Well said.

Yang regionalism na iyan ang halos pumatay sa rebolusyon natin.Pinatay na nga pala.Alam lang kapakanan ng tribo nya and to hell with the rest of the country.

Parang homeowner na naglilinis kuno ng bakuran pero itatapon ang basura sa lansangan. basta malinis bahay nya wala ng pakialam sa mundo. Yang ang may utak regionalismo.

Talagang ganun ang ginagawa literally ng karamihan. Malinis nga ang bahay, paglabas naman sa sidewalk tambak ang basura. Maliit nga mag-isip. Nakakagigil lang talaga yang ganyang hirit. Bilang Pilipino responsibilidad nating pangalagaan hindi lang ating pamayanan kundi ang buong bayan.

If I was a regionalist, there would have been no sense for me fighting coral smugglers from Davao, Cebu and Zamboanga kasi hindi naman ako taga dyan.

wla bang plano c pnoy na bumile ng new fighter planes?

And which part of my attitude is entirely shameful? That I said I love Davao City, but not being a Filipino as a whole? So you are forcing me be proud as a Filipino as a whole when I pretty much have more to be proud of as a Dabawenyo than being a Filipino.

May I know your nationality?

LOL at butthurt nationalists who clearly has little knowledge of Mindanao other than what the media tells them. Although I give some people here some points for knowing that there are still lumads living here in Mindanao. Majority of Filipinos will think Mindanao is majorly Islamic.
Hmmm, even grade one students know want you are talking about here.. toinks!:):lol:

Also, I'm proud that I triggered this debate. At least I know what other people from Luzon and Visayas think of Mindanao. Maybe Philippines and Filipinos needs more identity. We have been long blinded by Uncle Sam and our so called "latin history" that our Native history has been hardly touched upon. Due to the lack of knowledge of our real history and history in other parts of Philippines, we tend to think Philippines is a lumad country that has been colonized by foreigners, at least that's the extent of what the majority of the Filipino knows.

Alam mo boss napakatagal nang trend sa iskwelahan at akademiya ang pagtuturo at pananaliksik ng lokal na history.Pati nga sa national tourism program emphasis na ang cultural heritage at festivities e. Yung mga LGUs , encouraged na mag-emphasize ng indigenous festivities para sa tourism and local devt.

Even DTI through OTOP program encouraged native products from different regions for national development.

Masyado ka ng huli ka na sa balita. Lumabas ka kasi sa cocoon mo dyan sa Davao at obvious na wala kang kamuwang muwang sa nangyayari sa buong bansa?

Seriously, if I asked you people outside Mindanao 'what is the history of Davao City?', I bet none of you can correctly answer that. (Davao City has a rich history that has been sadly been kept hidden since the main historians from the North fails or refuses to recognize it)

Pag nabasa ito ng mga history professors sa mga Universities sa Luzon, magagalit sa mali mong impormasyon.

Talagang ganun ang ginagawa literally ng karamihan. Malinis nga ang bahay, paglabas naman sa sidewalk tambak ang basura. Maliit nga mag-isip. Nakakagigil lang talaga yang ganyang hirit. Bilang Pilipino responsibilidad nating pangalagaan hindi lang ating pamayanan kundi ang buong bayan.

If I was a regionalist, there would have been no sense for me fighting coral smugglers from Davao, Cebu and Zamboanga kasi hindi naman ako taga dyan.

Kaya mga foreign invaders colonists, foreign interest groups, alam na napakadaling patumbahin ang Philippine State.

Divide and conquer lang. Kuha lang na mga Pinoy na regionalistic at gagamitin para banatan kapwa Pinoy. Kaya tapos again laban.

Example:Critical turning points in our history

Humabon vs. Lapu-Lapu (though luckily Lapu Lapu or Calipulaku won against the army of magellan and Carlos Humabon;

Andres Bonifacio (Morong/Manila) vs. Daniel Tirona (Caviteno). Bonifacio (Magdiwang) was treated as dayo by the Tirona (Magdalos).Bonifacio was executed because of the Naik Military Agreement.

Battle of Tirad Pass. Gregorio Del Pilar was defeated by the Americans because an allegged Igorot native Januario Galut revealed to the Americans another route that will break the defenses of Gorio. (just like in the Battle of Thermopylae where Leonidas and the Spartans were betrayed by Ephialtes)

Capture of Gen. Aguinaldo in Palanan, Isabela. Cecilio Segismundo, an Ilocano and Aguinaldo's messenger revealed to the Americans Aguinaldo's headquarters in Palanan, Isabela.

^^ Macabebes were also used to put down revolts in Manila and in other parts of Luzon. Divide and conquer nga - kasi andaming utak biya.

Other word for that. Traidor.

Time for a break!

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Let us always remember this especially during Halloween/trick or treat!

Yup! Ginala ko yang lugar ninyo. :) :cheers:

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Hmmm asan na kaya si Milcah,..natambakan na...:lol:

Pwede yan benta ng US sa Pilipinas kapag naalis na nila ang 55% ng capability nyan.

Baka I trick or Treat tayo ng US....tapus ibigay yan....ok na ang trick or treat...wag lang April Fools :lol:

wla bang plano c pnoy na bumile ng new fighter planes?

So far pre, ito pa lang ang plano:

Spratlys arms race heats up; AFP to buy six fighter jets

Armed Forces chief Gen. Eduardo Oban Jr. said senior military officials had recommended an initial six multi-role planes to be acquired within the term of President Benigno Aquino III.

He said the Air Force was looking at either Korea’s TA-50 Golden Eagle or Italy’s M-346, and depending on their arms and in-flight instrumentation would cost about P1 billion each.

http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideNews.htm?f=2011/july/2/news1.isx&d=2011/july/2

The T-50 Eagle is mostly used as a trainer jet, but it can be configured to be used as a lead in fighter jet. This jet I think is much better than the current fighter jets of the PAF, which are the italian made S-211 Aermachi, because the italian made jets are subsonic while the korean jets are supersonic, so they can rush to the conflict zone faster than the italian jets.

Indonesia has already bought 16 of these, while poland is considering a squadron of it and the US is considering swapping some F-35 jets for T-50 Golden Eagles.

"Kaya mga foreign invaders colonists, foreign interest groups, alam na napakadaling patumbahin ang Philippine State.

Divide and conquer lang. Kuha lang na mga Pinoy na regionalistic at gagamitin para banatan kapwa Pinoy. Kaya tapos again laban.

Example:Critical turning points in our history

Humabon vs. Lapu-Lapu (though luckily Lapu Lapu or Calipulaku won against the army of magellan and Carlos Humabon;

Andres Bonifacio (Morong/Manila) vs. Daniel Tirona (Caviteno). Bonifacio (Magdiwang) was treated as dayo by the Tirona (Magdalos).Bonifacio was executed because of the Naik Military Agreement.

Battle of Tirad Pass. Gregorio Del Pilar was defeated by the Americans because an allegged Igorot native Januario Galut revealed to the Americans another route that will break the defenses of Gorio. (just like in the Battle of Thermopylae where Leonidas and the Spartans were betrayed by Ephialtes)

Capture of Gen. Aguinaldo in Palanan, Isabela. Cecilio Segismundo, an Ilocano and Aguinaldo's messenger revealed to the Americans Aguinaldo's headquarters in Palanan, Isabela."

I'm impressed with your knowledge of personnel involved.

Thanks for visiting hehehe..nakakamiss buko pie sa amin :cheers:

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Are you nuts? I can eat an entire pie of buko from Laguna! Lip smacking good! Napakasaaaaaraaaaaaaaaappppppppp!!!

Good morning! :)

"Kaya mga foreign invaders colonists, foreign interest groups, alam na napakadaling patumbahin ang Philippine State.

Divide and conquer lang. Kuha lang na mga Pinoy na regionalistic at gagamitin para banatan kapwa Pinoy. Kaya tapos again laban.

Example:Critical turning points in our history

Humabon vs. Lapu-Lapu (though luckily Lapu Lapu or Calipulaku won against the army of magellan and Carlos Humabon;

Andres Bonifacio (Morong/Manila) vs. Daniel Tirona (Caviteno). Bonifacio (Magdiwang) was treated as dayo by the Tirona (Magdalos).Bonifacio was executed because of the Naik Military Agreement.

Battle of Tirad Pass. Gregorio Del Pilar was defeated by the Americans because an allegged Igorot native Januario Galut revealed to the Americans another route that will break the defenses of Gorio. (just like in the Battle of Thermopylae where Leonidas and the Spartans were betrayed by Ephialtes)

Capture of Gen. Aguinaldo in Palanan, Isabela. Cecilio Segismundo, an Ilocano and Aguinaldo's messenger revealed to the Americans Aguinaldo's headquarters in Palanan, Isabela."

I'm impressed with your knowledge of personnel involved.

^^ Philippine History and Culture - Agoncillo and Constantino. ;)

Before I forget, Teodoro Patino also betrayed the Katipunan to Spanish authorities.

So far pre, ito pa lang ang plano:

Spratlys arms race heats up; AFP to buy six fighter jets

Armed Forces chief Gen. Eduardo Oban Jr. said senior military officials had recommended an initial six multi-role planes to be acquired within the term of President Benigno Aquino III.

He said the Air Force was looking at either Korea’s TA-50 Golden Eagle or Italy’s M-346, and depending on their arms and in-flight instrumentation would cost about P1 billion each.

http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideNews.htm?f=2011/july/2/news1.isx&d=2011/july/2

The T-50 Eagle is mostly used as a trainer jet, but it can be configured to be used as a lead in fighter jet. This jet I think is much better than the current fighter jets of the PAF, which are the italian made S-211 Aermachi, because the italian made jets are subsonic while the korean jets are supersonic, so they can rush to the conflict zone faster than the italian jets.

Indonesia has already bought 16 of these, while poland is considering a squadron of it and the US is considering swapping some F-35 jets for T-50 Golden Eagles.

Those are LIFT jets not actual MRF jets while the S-211 is also a LIFT jet not a real MRF jet. What's the problem with our current ones when they can still accomplish great tasks such as...

JI leader believed killed in air strike (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=743414&publicationSubCategoryId=63&newsalert)
By Roel Pareño (The Philippine Star) Updated November 01, 2011 12:00 AM

ZAMBOANGA CITY ,Philippines — The military is verifying reports that a Malaysian Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) terrorist was among the five militants killed in an air strike launched by Philippine Air Force bombers last Sunday at an Abu Sayyaf camp in Indanan, Sulu.

Brig. Gen. Romeo Tanalgo, commander of the Sulu Island Command and the Joint Task Force Sulu, yesterday said five Abu Sayyaf members, including three sub-leaders, were confirmed killed during the bombing in Mt. Tukay, at the Kawaran complex in Indanan.

Tanalgo said Malaysian JI leader Zulkipli bin Hir, alias Marwan, could also have been killed after his aide was found dead near the Abu Sayyaf camp after the air strike conducted by the 3rd Air Force Division’s two OV-10 Bronco planes.

Tanalgo identified those killed as Abu Sayyaf leaders Ben Wagas, Apo Mike and Abu Abad, whose bodies were recovered.

He said the two others killed were Sali Madarang, said to be the right hand of Marwan, and a certain Andag.

“Madarang was the known right-hand man of Marwan and the air strike was launched after the JI leader was monitored in the area,” Tanalgo said.

“Chances are Marwan is already dead,” Tanalgo added.

The military launched air strikes at Indanan last Sunday morning using Air Force OV-10 Bronco planes.

The air raid, which started at about 6:30 a.m., was aimed at the camp of Abu Sayyaf leader Umbra Jumdail alias Dr. Abu.

About 30 to 40 bandits are said to be staying in the camp.

Jumdail has been implicated in numerous bombings and abductions, including the Sipadan kidnapping incident in 2000.

Tanalgo said they are validating reports that about 10 bandits died during the air raid.

“There are reports that Dr. Abu was wounded,” Tanalgo said.

He said the ground forces are continuing the mopping up operations to recover the bodies of other casualties, including the possible remains of Marwan.

Marwan, who has a $5-million reward for his capture, is one of the most wanted terrorists in Southeast Asia.

Marwan escaped from Malaysia and sought refuge in the Abu Sayyaf camps in Mindanao, where he trained militants on how to build improvised explosive devices.

Armed Forces spokesman Col. Arnulfo Burgos Jr. disclosed yesterday that the military and the police are closely coordinating efforts to prevent any retaliatory attack from the Abu Sayyaf.

“The security forces are proactive and are in constant coordination with other agencies to prevent retaliatory attacks. We did not receive such threat so far but good intelligence gathering is important,” he said.

The Armed Forces has claimed that the strength of the Abu Sayyaf has declined to 379 as of June due to the government’s armed operations and development programs. With Alexis Romero

Those are LIFT jets not actual MRF jets while the S-211 is also a LIFT jet not a real MRF jet. What's the problem with our current ones when they can still accomplish great tasks such as...

JI leader believed killed in air strike (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=743414&publicationSubCategoryId=63&newsalert)
By Roel Pareño (The Philippine Star) Updated November 01, 2011 12:00 AM

nice!! :) some good news then...atleast kahit pano its a good morale booster for our troops.

^^ Philippine History and Culture - Agoncillo and Constantino. ;)

Before I forget, Teodoro Patino also betrayed the Katipunan to Spanish authorities.

Patino was forced by his sister to tell the secret of KKK to a nun. And the nun revealed the plan to a priest and the priest told the Spanish authorities.

The rest is history.

In other words, we should clean up our ranks first in the country (eliminate regionalism or regionalistic mentality)before fighting a superior force like China.

Patino was forced by his sister to tell the secret of KKK to a nun. And the nun revealed the plan to a priest and the priest told the Spanish authorities.

The rest is history.

In other words, we should clean up our ranks first in the country (eliminate regionalism or regionalistic mentality)before fighting a superior force like China.

There are varying accounts,including the prominent one which involved a dispute with Apolonio dela Cruz over salary. An angered Patino, told his sister who lives in a Mandaluyong orphanage. His sister in turned revealed it to the nun, etc etc.

Reason why it took a long time before we were able to rise against Spain was because the Spaniards effectively used this regionalist mentality to put down revolts and sow divisions for 3 centuries. Same reason why Marcos was able to rule the Philippines for 20 years.

There are varying accounts,including the prominent one which involved a dispute with Apolonio dela Cruz over salary. An angered Patino, told his sister who lives in a Mandaluyong orphanage. His sister in turned revealed it to the nun, etc etc.

Reason why it took a long time before we were able to rise against Spain was because the Spaniards effectively used this regionalist mentality to put down revolts and sow divisions for 3 centuries. Same reason why Marcos was able to rule the Philippines for 20 years.

We lost our wars because of treachery and not because of the lack of military capability.


The same will happen to us in the near future if regionalism will retard our growth as one nation.

China is an a-hole but i admire the way their government unified their nation.

I would like the see the day that Pinoys we see themselves first as Pinoy and then as part of their ethno-lingusitic group.

^^ It's forgivable, the Philippines is still 'young' as a nation. Remember that the United States had to go through a Civil War before they were united for good. ;)

But I do hope Filipinos awaken much earlier.

^^ It's forgivable, the Philippines is still 'young' as a nation. Remember that the United States had to go through a Civil War before they were united for good. ;)

But I do hope Filipinos awaken much earlier.

I remembered my teacher told us that the Philippines needs a civil war just to make it awake and to topple down those corrupt officials. And he even mentioned that after that civil war, our country could clone what U.S had done itself that made her superior in our planet. During his speech the whole class was quite and sitting at the corner of our room speaking to myself I was like Oh My God, Abraham Lincoln is here.

I remembered my teacher told us that the Philippines needs a civil war just to make it awake and to topple down those corrupt officials. And he even mentioned that after that civil war, our country could clone what U.S had done itself that made her superior in our planet. During his speech the whole class was quite and sitting at the corner of our room speaking to myself I was like Oh My God, Abraham Lincoln is here.

I have to agree with your teacher.

Au contraire, the US Civil War did not "unite" the USA in absolute terms, it only successfully dismantled the war machinery of the South. But it further deepened resentment and hatred of the defeated Southerners against the victorious North after seeing major Southern cities like Atlanta burnt to the ground and many Southern plantations and homes ransacked by Northern carpetbaggers despite the so-called Reconstruction Era. Southern resentment against the so-called 'Yankees' and 'Carpetbaggers', both derogatory terms in those days lingered on for 2-3 more decades.

In a strange twist of fate, it took another war, the Spanish American War of 1898 to really unite North and South in a single spirit of (this time) real American patriotism against a foreign foe. Ironically, in those days it was the Democratic Party that was Warlike and pushed Pres. William McKinley, a Republican, into a war that McKinley had wished to avoid. So there goes another myth about peace loving liberal Democrats and staunch conservative war hawk Republicans. That wasnt always the case. :lol:

The Philippines had her chance with EDSA, not just 1 but 2 EDSAs as a matter of fact. But for some strange reason, people have a way of squandering such golden opportunities for change. A "Revolution" essentially means a "change in a short period of time" and it doesnt have to be bloody, not at all. ;) Cases like this would be the Philippines in 1986, Tunisia and to a certain extent, Egypt. Or the East European spring with the downfall of the communist dictatorships of Poland, East Germany & Hungary. (some communist governments might have chosen a bloody end, cant recall offhand, like Romania and the Balkanization of Yugoslavia).

Maybe one way of uniting the Philippines would be to fight a common foe like the Abu Sayyaf, the MILF/MNLF or against its benefactor Truly Asia and retake Sabah. (I also forgot to ask though, if Mindanao were to secede according to their map MinSuPala, would everybody be willing to submit to Shariah Law? Because in the new order, it will now be the Imperial MILF lording over all Christian and Lumad domains. And they have the arms to enforce their reign.)

Those are LIFT jets not actual MRF jets while the S-211 is also a LIFT jet not a real MRF jet. What's the problem with our current ones when they can still accomplish great tasks such as...

JI leader believed killed in air strike (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=743414&publicationSubCategoryId=63&newsalert)
By Roel Pareño (The Philippine Star) Updated November 01, 2011 12:00 AM

Conflict zones are not limited to core territorial jurisdictions, they can also mean the peripheral territorial jurisdictions that are hotly contested among sovereign nations, like the spratlys group for example. This is where the supersonic capability comes into play. remember the harrasment of the phil. oil exploration ship? a repetition of that may be responded to by the phil. government by the dispatch of a squadron of t-50 Golden Eagles into the conflict zone and put an end to the harassment.

I remembered my teacher told us that the Philippines needs a civil war just to make it awake and to topple down those corrupt officials. And he even mentioned that after that civil war, our country could clone what U.S had done itself that made her superior in our planet. During his speech the whole class was quite and sitting at the corner of our room speaking to myself I was like Oh My God, Abraham Lincoln is here.

Wars or not, there will always be a new set of elites. Doesn't really solve the problem.

MILF above the law:bash:

MANILA, Philippines - The Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) on Tuesday rejected Malacañang's calls for the rebel group to stand aside as government troops move to arrest fugitive MILF commander Dan Laksaw Asnawi.

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"We can't surrender Asnawi now. We will not cooperate unless this cooperation is done through established mechanisms agreed upon by the government of the Philippines and the MILF," he said.

"This selective military operation must stop. This must be discussed in accordance with the mechanisms established and agreed upon by the government of the Republic of the Philippines, and to consider that there is a meeting in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, lalong di kailangan itong mga military operations," Jaafar said.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/regions/11/01/11/moro-rebels-wont-surrender-fugitive-commander

MILF above the law:bash:

MANILA, Philippines - The Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) on Tuesday rejected Malacañang's calls for the rebel group to stand aside as government troops move to arrest fugitive MILF commander Dan Laksaw Asnawi.

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"We can't surrender Asnawi now. We will not cooperate unless this cooperation is done through established mechanisms agreed upon by the government of the Philippines and the MILF," he said.

"This selective military operation must stop. This must be discussed in accordance with the mechanisms established and agreed upon by the government of the Republic of the Philippines, and to consider that there is a meeting in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, lalong di kailangan itong mga military operations," Jaafar said.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/regions/11/01/11/moro-rebels-wont-surrender-fugitive-commander

Lumabas din.

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Hmmm asan na kaya si Milcah,..natambakan na...:lol:

Hoy dong, kahit tambakan niyo pa ako ng anti-regionalism replies at i-spam niyo pa yan sa aking message box, hinding-hindi niyo mababago aking pananaw. (Seriously, personally attacking me and calling me names like MILF or narrow minded ain't helping either. Aren't there any rules in this forum to respect one's opinion and perspective?)

Bakit, sakit ba na malaman na may mga taong hindi proud maging Pinoy? (Yan na naman siya, gagamitin niya ang "get the out Philippines argument.. which nonsensical to an extent since regionalist man daw ko beh)

I get the point why regionalism is not good for our country. I just don't like people who don't respect someone's point of view and opinions. If you can't accept that there are indeed regionalistic people in Philippines, then go on and live in your little illusion.

This video can show one of the reason why I don't say "I'm proud to be a Filipino" (but I have more reasons than the ones on the video): link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Q676tSCeI)

^^ miyembro ka yata nga MILF or ASG or NPA ano? kayo talaga mga separatista, feeling nyo makakapaglakad kayo ng sariling bansa.

Hoy dong, kahit tambakan niyo pa ako ng anti-regionalism replies at i-spam niyo pa yan sa aking message box, hinding-hindi niyo mababago aking pananaw. (Seriously, personally attacking me and calling me names like MILF or narrow minded ain't helping either. Aren't there any rules in this forum to respect one's opinion and perspective?)

Bakit, sakit ba na malaman na may mga taong hindi proud maging Pinoy? (Yan na naman siya, gagamitin niya ang "get the out Philippines argument.. which nonsensical to an extent since regionalist man daw ko beh)

I get the point why regionalism is not good for our country. I just don't like people who don't respect someone's point of view and opinions. If you can't accept that there are indeed regionalistic people in Philippines, then go on and live in your little illusion.

This video can show one of the reason why I don't say "I'm proud to be a Filipino" (but I have more reasons than the ones on the video): link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Q676tSCeI)


lol you can keep blabbering...I will have my same opinion of you. What the hell is your point showing me that video(which I didnt even waste a second to watch) The way you talk...Its like you were brainwashed I cant waste my time on you. You are narrow minded.

Duh!!........did you clearly read my last post

There's a difference between having freedom in a democracy to give opinion....but not when its not productive. Clearly your way of thingking and posts are backward thinking

But hey fine have your opinion..You dont want to be Filipino...And I dont consider you one. You know what I said to go leave ??..because like it or not Davao City is Philippines...Mindanao Is Philippines...like it or not...thats the way it is...DEAL WITH IT!! ....

You pretty much answered it yourself when you said:

"I get the point why regionalism is not good for our country"

There you go.....lets agree to disagree...I've been to Davao more than once....great City Great people shame to have People with your attitude because I've certainly met people in Davao which certainly does not share your view and thats good..

Mahirap kasi makipagusap pag stuck lang sa sariling nyang backyard ang kinakausap. Not open minded.

100 soldiers to go after NPA raiders in Samar

MANILA, Philippines - A hundred Army soldiers have been tasked to run after suspected communist rebels who raided a provincial jail in Eastern Samar last Monday.

Army spokesman Maj. Harold Cabunoc said the 100 soldiers would come from the 8th Infantry Division based in Catbalogan, Samar.

Army chief Lt. Gen. Arturo Ortiz has directed Maj. Gen. Mario Chan, 8th ID commander, to hunt down the rebels in coordination with the police, Cabunoc said in a text message.

Cabunoc condemned the raid, saying such activities could hamper development in the countryside.

“These attacks on government facilities and business establishments show the true color of the CPP-NPA-NDF (Communist Party of the Philippines-New People’s Army-National Democratic Front),” he said.

“Peace and prosperity would be elusive if the rebels’ armed group continues to terrorize our people in the name of a lost cause,” he added.

On Monday morning, 30 suspected NPA guerrillas raided the provincial jail in Oras, Eastern Samar and seized various firearms and belongings of jail guards. Only three jail personnel were on duty during the raid.

Eastern Samar is one of the provinces with a huge concentration of NPA rebels. Other areas heavily influenced by the insurgents are the Bicol provinces, Leyte and parts of the Davao region. - By Alexis

philstar.com

This video can show one of the reason why I don't say "I'm proud to be a Filipino" (but I have more reasons than the ones on the video): link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Q676tSCeI)

kung ayaw mo sa bulok na sistema ng bansa, so be it. pero marami pa ring dahilan para maging proud ka, go out of your comfort zone.:) vote Puerto Prinsesa Underground River, sinong hindi magiging proud that our country has that kind of nature's masterpiece. :)

^^ There's so many things to be proud about our country, only if people look beyond their backyards.

MILF above the law:bash:

MANILA, Philippines - The Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) on Tuesday rejected Malacañang's calls for the rebel group to stand aside as government troops move to arrest fugitive MILF commander Dan Laksaw Asnawi.

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"We can't surrender Asnawi now. We will not cooperate unless this cooperation is done through established mechanisms agreed upon by the government of the Philippines and the MILF," he said.

"This selective military operation must stop. This must be discussed in accordance with the mechanisms established and agreed upon by the government of the Republic of the Philippines, and to consider that there is a meeting in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, lalong di kailangan itong mga military operations," Jaafar said.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/regions/11/01/11/moro-rebels-wont-surrender-fugitive-commanderabove the law indeed. Only if the Phil govt allows them to...

Say, the government seems to be clueless that Truly Asia has clear motives in all these. Why don't we drop Malaysia altogether and hire a different broker, there's plenty out there. I can think of very neutral parties, like Kazakhstan, Sri Lanka, India, Thailand, South Korea, Brazil, etcetera why oh why must the Philippine government be stuck for eternity with Malaysia? Parang andating nagmamakaawa sa biyaya and good graces of Malaysia. Why should the Philippines put up with a broker on MILF terms? Why not a broker on neutral terms, or Philippine government terms? Russia would be a good broker for our side, it has its own Chechnya probs. :D

On regionalism:

Regionalism per se isn't bad. Someone in somewhere gave it a bad name. And yes, regionalism is relative, and so is nationalism, and globalism. Your mileage may vary.


MILF above the law:bash:

MANILA, Philippines - The Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) on Tuesday rejected Malacañang's calls for the rebel group to stand aside as government troops move to arrest fugitive MILF commander Dan Laksaw Asnawi.


above the law indeed. Only if the Phil govt allows them to...

Apparently, this media or probably the National Government is playing Captain Obvious (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CaptainObvious). :lol: They can't call rebels if they don't do above the law. :lol:

PNOY? PANU NA TO? PAPALAG?:lol::lol::lol:


MILF won’t surrender members allegedly involved in Basilan clash (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/milf-won-t-surrender-members-allegedly-involved-basilan-110005817.html)

GMA News OnlineGMANews – 15 hours ago

The Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) on Tuesday rejected calls from government to surrender MILF deputy commander Dan Laksaw Asnawi and his men who allegedly killed 19 soldiers in a clash in Basilan on Oct. 18.

“We cannot surrender him. Asnawi is accused of something criminal he did in the past. In the principle of justice, it means that he is presumed innocent until proven guilty. That means that there must be due process," MILF vice chairman for political affairs Ghadzali Jaafar told reporters on Tuesday.

Asnawi is wanted for his alleged involvement in the beheading of Marine soldiers in 2007. The soldiers were out to serve a warrant against Asnawi and about 10 men, including some Abu Sayyaf members, when the fighting ensued in Al-Barka town.

Philippine Army commanding general Lt. Gen. Arturo Ortiz said late Tuesday that the Army has lodged a complaint before the ceasefire committee and cited as truce violations the MILF's harboring of Asnawi and his men.

Ortiz said if the MILF does not surrender Asnawi, the Army will conduct pursuit operations.

Earlier in the day, deputy presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte said the MILF should “stand aside" if it does not intend to help the government track down the armed men involved in the clash.

Jaafar questioned government’s motive in “forcing the issue" despite the lack of a court decision on Asnawi’s case. He said the MILF will cooperate with the government once the guilt of Asnawi and his men has been established.

'The process'

“If its validated… that that person committed a crime, the validation is positive, the MILF and government will collaborate to effect the surrender or arrest of that person, that is the process," he said.

Jaafar said the Special Forces troops of the Army “did not coordinate with the MILF, they ignored the (ceasefire) mechanisms, ceasefire agreement… What we should do is investigate the incident to determine who are responsible (for the violation)… There is a provision in the mechanism that calls for the sanctioning of a violation, may that be from the government side. It is stated there who should impose the sanction," he said.

Meanwhile, AFP Western Mindanao Command spokesman Lt. Col. Randolph Cabangbang said the government will exhaust all means and will work with peace negotiators for the arrest of Asnawi and his men.

“It's actually out of the hands of the AFP already," Cabangbang said. He pointed out that “the MILF is not calling for war, the government is not calling for war. Why is it that the media is discussing an all-out war scenario?"

"We are still prioritizing (the peace process), our priority now is making the mechanism work…The (peace) mechanism is working, both panels are talking. This can be solved if the negotiations are continuous. It’s just a matter of agreeing how it will be carried out," Cabangbang explained. — With Andreo Calonzo/ELR/VS, GMA News

^^ War na yan! Baka gusto niya siya na sunod barilin ng MILF? :D :D :D

Well, kidding aside, yes, I do agree that war is a good mechanism to unite a country. Against a common enemy, say perhaps, China or Truly Asia. Oh, and like it or not they do have ulterior motives in delving into Philippine issues like insurgencies and our territorial claims.

What we need is a leader that can rally everyone at his back against one common foe. A time where politicians start thinking seriously about the fate of the country.

AFAIK, no law has been made to dismantle political dynasties in the Philippines and I know it is a hopeless scenario knowing how greedy our politicians are.

^^ It looks like the AFP even in a weakened state does have the capability to move against the MILF. Then so be it, they should strike while the iron is hot and Mama Malaysia hasn't come to the rescue yet.
Apparently, this media or probably the National Government is playing Captain Obvious (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CaptainObvious). :lol: They can't call rebels if they don't do above the law. :lol:
AFAIK, no law has been made to dismantle political dynasties in the Philippines and I know it is a hopeless scenario knowing how greedy our politicians are. There is a way to cut down the power base of the dynasties and the oligarchies, but it needs a draconian step. ;) Suspend the voting rights of the Masa and you cut off the power base of the vote buying elite. I'm not saying permanent, maybe for a window period of 10 years. The dynasties will have a hard time buying the votes of the Middle Class. The Masa are always pretending to play the victim mentality here when in fact, they are the footsoldiers of the Elite. ;) The Magic Erap phenomenon always validates my theory on this.

Can you think of other methods?

^^ That could be one reason why Rizal opted to keep the revolution under the flagship of the middle-class and not on the 'masa'. He supported armed revolution but did not join KKK because it was initiated by the 'masa'. He knew the Philippines could end up like what happened to France after the French Revolution. There was chaos and it did not turn out good. We learnt that lesson well.

And to relate it to issues of today. It's better if the voting power be handed to the middle-class or those in between poor and being a middle-class. Essentially, people under these brackets have the enough knowledge and educational build-up to resist vote-buying and see through the propaganda of the politicians. Call it elitist but as I see it, it's a better way. The Philippines is what it is now because the 'masa' which have more voting power are easily manipulated. Well, you can't think of your principles if your tummy is hungry right? You have to fulfill your basic needs first before going up to your beliefs and principles. You have to choose between a hungry tummy and dying for your principles, and the 'masa' are not as martyr to do that.

Just my two cents.

^^ the best thing to do now, is all out force against them... sadly maraming madadamay.. pero pag nagtagal mas marame ang madadamay pag di nila tinapos yan...

marami pang option pag isipan ng matagal, war e wala nga tayong plano kung papaano ang mga ma-didisplace na civilians sa lugar sa mindanao, wala ring tamang armas para totally matatalo sa madaling panahon ang mga ito (we need to build the AFP in the tune of billions of USD, dapat pag-aralan pano ginawa ng Sri Lanka yung all out war nila, billions of USD ginastos nila isang lagayan nd paisa-isa ang bili),..kung gyera na walang patutunguhan at aabot ng mahabang panahon sigurado malaki mapipinsala sa bansa, lalo na ang economy na walang kasiguraduhan ang direksyon,..tsaka pano kung ang gyera gaganapin (kung pwede lang) sa manila mismo or cebu okay lang kaya yun???imagine 12,000 shock troops of the MILF waging war in the capital of pinas or in the island of cebu, while mindanao is business as usual how is that appeal to you? kudeta pa nga lang malaki na pinsala at araw lang paano kung buwan o taon ang gyera?peace pact is the intelligent solution as the MILF also want peace napagod narin itong mga ito, even gringo is for peace talk and other military hawks prefer peace than war,..

BACK TO TOPIC... :doh:

^^ Roger that! ;)

will some of them be deployed in EAAB?

Edwin Andrews Air Base? That's in Zamboanga right? Well, definitely coz 70% of the AFP is concentrated in the South.

Conflict zones are not limited to core territorial jurisdictions, they can also mean the peripheral territorial jurisdictions that are hotly contested among sovereign nations, like the spratlys group for example. This is where the supersonic capability comes into play. remember the harrasment of the phil. oil exploration ship? a repetition of that may be responded to by the phil. government by the dispatch of a squadron of t-50 Golden Eagles into the conflict zone and put an end to the harassment.

What squadron of T-50? The PAF hasn't decided yet between the T-50 vs. M-346 and these jets will be used for lead-in fighter trainer (only 6 will be acquired -- it takes at least 12 aircraft to have a squadron) as the PAF has to prepare for their choice between the F/A-18 Hornet and the MiG-29 Fulcrum after P-Noy's term.


^^ the best thing to do now, is all out force against them... sadly maraming madadamay.. pero pag nagtagal mas marame ang madadamay pag di nila tinapos yan...

The best things to do now are to pray and file a diplomatic protest. We are a peaceful nation not barbarians nor crusaders. These Muslim rebels have been in conflict since the Spanish era so do you really think that an all-out war is the best solution? The mighty Spaniards, the Americans, and the Japanese didn't even succeed in conquering them.

tsk,tsk,tsk..cgurado galing sa AFP ito someone selling these bullets to the rebels, .50 caliber sniper rifle?ito yung nag suppress/ decommission sa mga SAW gunners ng special forces,..dapt ma-trace cno at saan galing ito, likely sa AFP galing ito,..200 bullets?mukhang kumuha lang ng pang-down lokong opisyales ito a,..

Army troops seize sniper ammos in Lanao Sur
Home Updated November 04, 2011 10:28 AM 3 comments to this post


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MARAWI CITY, Philippines – Philippine troops arrested a man transporting munitions for a sniper rifle in the Muslim province of Lanao del Sur in Mindanao.

Officials said the soldiers, from the Army’s 65th Infantry Battalion, were manning a checkpoint when they stopped a vehicle for an inspection and discovered the 200 rounds of .50-caliber ammunition.

The 26-year old man, Alexander Macanas, told military interrogators that he was only paid to transport the munitions. He said an unidentified man bought the bullets.

“We are still investigating him about the ammo and we will file charges against Macanas,” said Colonel Daniel Lucero, commander of the 103rd Infantry Brigade.

It was not immediately known who supplied the munitions and the identity of the buyer.

http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationsubcategoryid=200&articleid=744594

What squadron of T-50? The PAF hasn't decided yet between the T-50 vs. M-346 and these jets will be used for lead-in fighter trainer (only 6 will be acquired -- it takes at least 12 aircraft to have a squadron) as the PAF has to prepare for their choice between the F/A-18 Hornet and the MiG-29 Fulcrum after P-Noy's term.






Wala tayong squadron ng t-50. I was just explaining the idea and possibilities to you of a potential acquisition. It is theoretical, it is hypothetical, it is an analytical explanation, that's why I used the word squadron.

Another good choice would be the Saab Gripen, they're multi-role and therefore, capable of a combination of missions, whether recon, interception, fighter/bomber and similar other functions. From what I know the standard PAF definition of a squadron is 6 planes, but I could be wrong.

Wala tayong squadron ng t-50. I was just explaining the idea and possibilities to you of a potential acquisition. It is theoretical, it is hypothetical, it is an analytical explanation, that's why I used the word squadron.

Another good choice would be the Saab Gripen, they're multi-role and therefore, capable of a combination of missions, whether recon, interception, fighter/bomber and similar other functions. From what I know the standard PAF definition of a squadron is 6 planes, but I could be wrong.

oo nga naman..for me the closest and the economical pa rin na replacement ng s211 are the t-50.

I'm excited kasi this November na dadating ang mga bagong Sokol W3-A natin..:cheers:

PNoy oks P10 billion for AFP modernization
BY FRANCO JOSE BAROÑA
Malacañang Reporter

Using the P5-billion fund for 2010, Abad said the AFP plans to equip the Philippine Army with 14 armored personnel carrier, 272 20-man pack radios and 3,480 force protection which totals to P1.4 billion.

The Philippine Navy, on the other hand, will procure one strategic sealift vessel that costs P2 billion, while the Philippine Air Force targets to acquire one special mission aircraft and two light lift aircraft amounting to P1.6 billion.

Abad said the AFP plans to use the 2011 budget to purchase vehicles for civil military operations, health services and disaster response activities, among others.

For instance, the Philippine Army will purchase 32 five-ton dump trucks and 55 special purpose vehicles, while the Philippine Air Force will purchase two search-and-rescue helicopters, 30 special purpose vehicles and 15 amphibian vehicles.

Using the 2011 budget, the AFP will also purchase necessary weapons and communication equipment, such as for the Philippine Army — 1,376 handheld radios, 210 AV configuration radios and 100 base radios, as well as 150 mortars (60mm); and for the Philippine Air Force — 78 units of audio-video equipment, 160 portable radio receivers, 100 sniper rifle systems and 2,000 standard weapons systems.

Abad noted that the President earlier instructed the release of a total of P5.32 billion, charged against the Malampaya Fund, to beef-up AFP’s territorial defense capabilities, including the purchase of a USS Hamilton-class cutter.

Source:www.panaynewsphilippines.com

I'm excited kasi this November na dadating ang mga bagong Sokol W3-A natin..:cheers:

Ilan daw ang actual na dadating this november?

accdng wiki..
Philippine Air Force ordered 8 W-3WA units for its Combat Utility Helicopter (CUH) requirement, 4 units scheduled for delivery 4th quarter of 2011

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/W-3_Sok%C3%B3%C5%82.jpg/220px-W-3_Sok%C3%B3%C5%82.jpg

What will be the armaments na attached dito?

Wala tayong squadron ng t-50. I was just explaining the idea and possibilities to you of a potential acquisition. It is theoretical, it is hypothetical, it is an analytical explanation, that's why I used the word squadron.

Another good choice would be the Saab Gripen, they're multi-role and therefore, capable of a combination of missions, whether recon, interception, fighter/bomber and similar other functions. From what I know the standard PAF definition of a squadron is 6 planes, but I could be wrong.

The PAF prefers twin-engine fighter jets and the T-50 is not part of the MRF plan but of the LIFT plan so you're confusing yourself with your choices that JAS Gripen and T-50 are 2 different types of aircraft.

The PAF follows its structure from the USAF therefore a fighter squadron usually consist of 8-12 fighter jets. A flight consist of 2-4 fighter jets. It is in the PAF-ROTC manual from which I am a graduate of with the rank of captain.

Ilan daw ang actual na dadating this november?

accdng wiki..
Philippine Air Force ordered 8 W-3WA units for its Combat Utility Helicopter (CUH) requirement, 4 units scheduled for delivery 4th quarter of 2011

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/W-3_Sok%C3%B3%C5%82.jpg/220px-W-3_Sok%C3%B3%C5%82.jpg

What will be the armaments na attached dito?

Just an FYI... The standard W-3WA Sokol used by the Polish military is armed with a twin 23mm auto-cannon and 4 pylons for rocket pods.

PNoy oks P10 billion for AFP modernization
BY FRANCO JOSE BAROÑA
Malacañang Reporter

Using the P5-billion fund for 2010, Abad said the AFP plans to equip the Philippine Army with 14 armored personnel carrier, 272 20-man pack radios and 3,480 force protection which totals to P1.4 billion.

The Philippine Navy, on the other hand, will procure one strategic sealift vessel that costs P2 billion, while the Philippine Air Force targets to acquire one special mission aircraft and two light lift aircraft amounting to P1.6 billion.

Abad said the AFP plans to use the 2011 budget to purchase vehicles for civil military operations, health services and disaster response activities, among others.

For instance, the Philippine Army will purchase 32 five-ton dump trucks and 55 special purpose vehicles, while the Philippine Air Force will purchase two search-and-rescue helicopters, 30 special purpose vehicles and 15 amphibian vehicles.

Using the 2011 budget, the AFP will also purchase necessary weapons and communication equipment, such as for the Philippine Army — 1,376 handheld radios, 210 AV configuration radios and 100 base radios, as well as 150 mortars (60mm); and for the Philippine Air Force — 78 units of audio-video equipment, 160 portable radio receivers, 100 sniper rifle systems and 2,000 standard weapons systems.

Abad noted that the President earlier instructed the release of a total of P5.32 billion, charged against the Malampaya Fund, to beef-up AFP’s territorial defense capabilities, including the purchase of a USS Hamilton-class cutter.

Source:www.panaynewsphilippines.com

There is something wrong with this media report, why would the PAF acquire amphibious vehicles when it is the PN and the PMC that actually uses them? And sniper rifles for the PAF? Those sniper rifles should belong to the PA and the PMC.

The PAF prefers twin-engine fighter jets and the T-50 is not part of the MRF plan but of the LIFT plan so you're confusing yourself with your choices that JAS Gripen and T-50 are 2 different types of aircraft.

The PAF follows its structure from the USAF therefore a fighter squadron usually consist of 8-12 fighter jets. A flight consist of 2-4 fighter jets. It is in the PAF-ROTC manual from which I am a graduate of with the rank of captain.

Still can't understand what the word 'hypothetical' means ano? english kasi yung word. gusto mo tagalugin ko na lang para ma intindihan mo ang ibig sabihin ng hypothetical?

Ilan daw ang actual na dadating this november?

accdng wiki..
Philippine Air Force ordered 8 W-3WA units for its Combat Utility Helicopter (CUH) requirement, 4 units scheduled for delivery 4th quarter of 2011

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/W-3_Sok%C3%B3%C5%82.jpg/220px-W-3_Sok%C3%B3%C5%82.jpg

What will be the armaments na attached dito?

Just an FYI... The standard W-3WA Sokol used by the Polish military is armed with a twin 23mm auto-cannon and 4 pylons for rocket pods.

that is the closest picture of what will be our CUH purchase (maybe with some modification, because some are posting the attack version of it) we will wait when the birds arrive. As the armaments would also be.:)

We should ALL JUST WAIT till it arrives...

marami pang option pag isipan ng matagal, war e wala nga tayong plano kung papaano ang mga ma-didisplace na civilians sa lugar sa mindanao, wala ring tamang armas para totally matatalo sa madaling panahon ang mga ito (we need to build the AFP in the tune of billions of USD, dapat pag-aralan pano ginawa ng Sri Lanka yung all out war nila, billions of USD ginastos nila isang lagayan nd paisa-isa ang bili),..kung gyera na walang patutunguhan at aabot ng mahabang panahon sigurado malaki mapipinsala sa bansa, lalo na ang economy na walang kasiguraduhan ang direksyon,..tsaka pano kung ang gyera gaganapin (kung pwede lang) sa manila mismo or cebu okay lang kaya yun???imagine 12,000 shock troops of the MILF waging war in the capital of pinas or in the island of cebu, while mindanao is business as usual how is that appeal to you? kudeta pa nga lang malaki na pinsala at araw lang paano kung buwan o taon ang gyera?peace pact is the intelligent solution as the MILF also want peace napagod narin itong mga ito, even gringo is for peace talk and other military hawks prefer peace than war,..

only the dead has seen the end of war - plato

you cant stop it, its an endless cycle... you want to stop people killing each other? goodluck! ive been to the battlefields in lanao, zamboanga and basilan... you kill the head, another head will rise. theres no such thing as end to all the killings... the words honor, duty, loyalty, patriotism all these words become nasty when you see dead people fucking, dying and killing each other...

the best thing to do in life? sit back, relax and enjoy.... wait until your time is up... no rush, they want to get me? im ready...

only the dead has seen the end of war - plato

you cant stop it, its an endless cycle... you want to stop people killing each other? goodluck! ive been to the battlefields in lanao, zamboanga and basilan... you kill the head, another head will rise. theres no such thing as end to all the killings... the words honor, duty, loyalty, patriotism all these words become nasty when you see dead people fucking, dying and killing each other...

the best thing to do in life? sit back, relax and enjoy.... wait until your time is up... no rush, they want to get me? im ready...

????

^^ If memory serves me right, I believe the poster is a professional soldier (active duty) with the Armed Forces of the Philippines. He is well known among the SSC oldtimers.

peace is still the solution of the MILF rebellion unless we have billions of dollars to acquire war materiel for the total war with these rebels in a very short period of time,..bravery is not anymore a factor in this conflict, it is stupidy among filipinos killing each other in an endless cycle because the AFP has no enough resources to deal with them in a very short period of time and they cannot deal with attrition, the AFP are losing young and brave soldiers for what?for the same old reason?it's poinless unless we can upgrade the AFP into a very strong armed forces in equipment and fighting capability then all war freaks are welcome and do your share to finish the ultimate objective to reign peace thru war but if we are arm only of our bravery and valor it's pointless because the rebels have these qualities too,..

Still can't understand what the word 'hypothetical' means ano? english kasi yung word. gusto mo tagalugin ko na lang para ma intindihan mo ang ibig sabihin ng hypothetical?

Sige nga tagalugin mo para maiulit ko sa iyo na magkaiba ang mga eroplanong iniisip mo tapos ipopost ko rin yung reliable source ko ULIT ng malinawan ang lahat at matigil na ang pagpaPANTASYA!

Definition of HYPOTHETICAL

: being or involving a hypothesis : conjectural <hypothetical arguments> <a hypothetical situation>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypothetical

SHIT NOSEBLEED! Do you really have to use such words here to prove what (that you are a summa cum laude of some sort and I'm an uneducated moron)? jeez

Definition of HYPOTHESIS

a : an assumption or concession made for the sake of argument
b : an interpretation of a practical situation or condition taken as the ground for action

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypothesis?show=0&t=1320657131

heck, my sources are from reliable military websites not assumptions.

peace is still the solution of the MILF rebellion unless we have billions of dollars to acquire war materiel for the total war with these rebels in a very short period of time,..bravery is not anymore a factor in this conflict, it is stupidy among filipinos killing each other in an endless cycle because the AFP has no enough resources to deal with them in a very short period of time and they cannot deal with attrition, the AFP are losing young and brave soldiers for what?for the same old reason?it's poinless unless we can upgrade the AFP into a very strong armed forces in equipment and fighting capability then all war freaks are welcome and do your share to finish the ultimate objective to reign peace thru war but if we are arm only of our bravery and valor it's pointless because the rebels have these qualities too,..

hehe your words speak for who you really are... i admire those rebels, they sure have brave hearts... we shell and pound them with artillery fire and airstrikes, hit them very hard during the night bcoz we have our night fighting gear and they are helpless when we shoot at them. yet we cant dampen their spirits.... the ideology of those guys are admirable... i really respect those men who fight for what they believe... but we are just doing our jobs... the big heads do the talking...

^^ If memory serves me right, I believe the poster is a professional soldier (active duty) with the Armed Forces of the Philippines. He is well known among the SSC oldtimers.

back then 2006-2007 when i joined SSC i was the heaviest SSCer @ 240lbs... after joining PA in 2008 i lost 90lbs and graduated top of the class and my first assignment was in Lanao to hunt down Cmder Bravo from Kauswagan Lanao del Norte all the way to Lanao del Sur... for a month of pursuit operations our efforts were fruitless bcoz of Govt. ceasefire (a phone call from the rebels to Gov. ToooT)...

my AOR then is concentrated in 1ID AOR... why im saying all this? im also a disgruntled soldier and i dont care who fucking reads this... Gold cross? MMM? they prioritize giving the awards to personnel who do the write-up than those who bleed...

i was born in north cotabato when misuari lauch jihad and the ilagas those fearsome paramilitaries doing dirty jobs hunting and answering their jihad in hatred among filipinos never been experienced before when i decided to join the PMA in the 90's but failed due to nearsighted (stupid matrix of the AFP) and realized hueys upon hueys delievering wounded and kia from the Marag valley campaign as we perform a week of PE at v.luna, i may also be dead or abused in the AFP cycle of mismanagement graduating on the magdalalo batch, but until now those hundreds of thousands of filipinos dead seemed not enough to justify bravery among filipinos,..i don't want the conflict in my own country and the place of my birth to outlive my short stint here on earth i want to see peace in our country reign not through violence as it were proven ineffective in resolving the conflict with a fellow principled filipinos,..

wla bang plano c pnoy na bumile ng new fighter planes?

So far pre, ito pa lang ang plano:

Spratlys arms race heats up; AFP to buy six fighter jets

Armed Forces chief Gen. Eduardo Oban Jr. said senior military officials had recommended an initial six multi-role planes to be acquired within the term of President Benigno Aquino III.

He said the Air Force was looking at either Korea’s TA-50 Golden Eagle or Italy’s M-346, and depending on their arms and in-flight instrumentation would cost about P1 billion each.

http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideNews.htm?f=2011/july/2/news1.isx&d=2011/july/2

The T-50 Eagle is mostly used as a trainer jet, but it can be configured to be used as a lead in fighter jet. This jet I think is much better than the current fighter jets of the PAF, which are the italian made S-211 Aermachi, because the italian made jets are subsonic while the korean jets are supersonic, so they can rush to the conflict zone faster than the italian jets.

Indonesia has already bought 16 of these, while poland is considering a squadron of it and the US is considering swapping some F-35 jets for T-50 Golden Eagles.

Sige nga tagalugin mo para maiulit ko sa iyo na magkaiba ang mga eroplanong iniisip mo tapos ipopost ko rin yung reliable source ko ULIT ng malinawan ang lahat at matigil na ang pagpaPANTASYA!



SHIT NOSEBLEED! Do you really have to use such words here to prove what (that you are a summa cum laude of some sort and I'm an uneducated moron)? jeez



heck, my sources are from reliable military websites not assumptions.

sige nga, boy yabang, pakita mo ang galing mo, paki explain ng difference ng mga eroplano. Dapat tagalog lahat ah. Dapat lahat ng aspeto ng dalawa ma distinguish mo sa tagalog, kung hindi, yabang lang pala talaga ang natira sayo.

And beside, di mo kasi binabasa ni-rereplayan ko, si pol.sci., who was asking about potential aircraft acquisition, and in response, I posted the possibility of an acquisition of the t-50 eagle based on a newspaper report. pantasya ba yan?

sige, paki-explain nga sa akin ang difference ng mga eroplano kahit na hindi ko naman tinatanong sayo. Kaya mo ba i-explain boy? Mukhang hindi eh. pakita mo nga.

BRP Emilio Liwanag PG-118 returning to port inside Manila Bay as seen from my 30th floor condo unit...

http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m335/filipinas40/DSC01938.jpg

Hoy dong, kahit tambakan niyo pa ako ng anti-regionalism replies at i-spam niyo pa yan sa aking message box, hinding-hindi niyo mababago aking pananaw. (Seriously, personally attacking me and calling me names like MILF or narrow minded ain't helping either. Aren't there any rules in this forum to respect one's opinion and perspective?)

Bakit, sakit ba na malaman na may mga taong hindi proud maging Pinoy? (Yan na naman siya, gagamitin niya ang "get the out Philippines argument.. which nonsensical to an extent since regionalist man daw ko beh)

I get the point why regionalism is not good for our country. I just don't like people who don't respect someone's point of view and opinions. If you can't accept that there are indeed regionalistic people in Philippines, then go on and live in your little illusion.

This video can show one of the reason why I don't say "I'm proud to be a Filipino" (but I have more reasons than the ones on the video): link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Q676tSCeI)

I'm not sure I'm proud of being Filipino too. It's my right and no one can refute it... They mix Filipino with Tagalog and it sound very stupid. Regionalistic mentality exists way-way back since world war I and II. :old:

marami sila na ginagawang business enterprises ang military... :ohno:
back then 2006-2007 when i joined SSC i was the heaviest SSCer @ 240lbs... after joining PA in 2008 i lost 90lbs and graduated top of the class and my first assignment was in Lanao to hunt down Cmder Bravo from Kauswagan Lanao del Norte all the way to Lanao del Sur... for a month of pursuit operations our efforts were fruitless bcoz of Govt. ceasefire (a phone call from the rebels to Gov. ToooT)...

my AOR then is concentrated in 1ID AOR... why im saying all this? im also a disgruntled soldier and i dont care who fucking reads this... Gold cross? MMM? they prioritize giving the awards to personnel who do the write-up than those who bleed...We better learn to be careful and circumspect about sensitive things because Big Brother is indeed watching. ;) I have a good friend also from Cebu, he's a Mistah and tells me they do read and monitor what Foristas write about on the various Philippine forums. How does he know? Because he is attached with the ISAFP.

I left the Phils in the 90s but I remember meetin up with him in Greenhills 9 years ago after another former schoolmate of ours from Labangon, Cebu, a Mistah, was assassinated in Manila by gunmen on motorbikes in a drug scandal back then in 2002. (Nope I'm not a mistah.) I also remember another Navy mistah, Ensign Philip Pestano (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=594147&publicationSubCategoryId=86), murdered on a Navy boat in mysterious circumstances and another young lady PMA'er shot inside her quarters in the then Fort Bonifacio, it was all attributed to "suicide"... but people back then attributed it to corruption/ drug scandals that some want to hide... so from that point of view, I sure am glad to be outta there and a foreign passport holder. :D
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at kung nagbabasa man yung kaibigan kong ISAFPer, sus mabuti na lang pala yung girlfriend ni Superintendent Toooot nakatakas sa hong kong dahil permanent resident dun kungdi pati siya tigok rin. Kaya magpapalamig na rin kaya muna me dito sa Tooot baka magalit ang friend ko. oi intawon pasayloa ko dong ayaw kog looka bata pa raba ko. :lol: peace.i was born in north cotabato when misuari lauch jihad and the ilagas those fearsome paramilitaries doing dirty jobs hunting and answering their jihad in hatred among filipinos never been experienced before when i decided to join the PMA in the 90's but failed due to nearsighted (stupid matrix of the AFP) and realized hueys upon hueys delievering wounded and kia from the Marag valley campaign as we perform a week of PE at v.luna, i may also be dead or abused in the AFP cycle of mismanagement graduating on the magdalalo batch, but until now those hundreds of thousands of filipinos dead seemed not enough to justify bravery among filipinos,..i don't want the conflict in my own country and the place of my birth to outlive my short stint here on earth i want to see peace in our country reign not through violence as it were proven ineffective in resolving the conflict with a fellow principled filipinos,..
tsk,tsk,tsk..cgurado galing sa AFP ito someone selling these bullets to the rebels, .50 caliber sniper rifle?ito yung nag suppress/ decommission sa mga SAW gunners ng special forces,..dapt ma-trace cno at saan galing ito, likely sa AFP galing ito,..200 bullets?mukhang kumuha lang ng pang-down lokong opisyales ito a,..

Army troops seize sniper ammos in Lanao Sur
Home Updated November 04, 2011 10:28 AM 3 comments to this post


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MARAWI CITY, Philippines – Philippine troops arrested a man transporting munitions for a sniper rifle in the Muslim province of Lanao del Sur in Mindanao.

Officials said the soldiers, from the Army’s 65th Infantry Battalion, were manning a checkpoint when they stopped a vehicle for an inspection and discovered the 200 rounds of .50-caliber ammunition.

The 26-year old man, Alexander Macanas, told military interrogators that he was only paid to transport the munitions. He said an unidentified man bought the bullets.

“We are still investigating him about the ammo and we will file charges against Macanas,” said Colonel Daniel Lucero, commander of the 103rd Infantry Brigade.

It was not immediately known who supplied the munitions and the identity of the buyer.

http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationsubcategoryid=200&articleid=744594Nothing had changed since the 90s. Back then when the Abu Sayyaf escaped a military encirclement, a parish priest and several townsfolk reported to media that certain rogue elements are in cahoots with the Abu Sayyaf for this business enterprise of hostages for ransom. :ohno: The next thing that happened was a smear campaign against the reputation of the priest and the townpeople who told media what they saw.

The Philippine claim on the islands in the South China Sea , now being called West Philippine Sea by Philippine authorities, could have been stronger had past administrations been more decisive about asserting our claims in the area that is being claimed wholly by China and Taiwan and partially by, aside from the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, and Brunei.


http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab359/samuelbelibeth/chinasclaim-9-dash.jpg


In a speech of Supreme Court Justice Antonio T. Carpio at the 50th anniversary celebration of Ateneo de Davao University last Oct. 29 on “The Rule of Law as the Great Equalizer’, he mentioned two instances when the Philippines could have done something but did not to strengthen the Philippine claim over the area that spans hundreds of thousands square kilometers including 53 islets.


Justice Carpio’s speech in full:

The Rule of Law as the Great Equalizer by Justice Carpio

The first time was right after the Philippines became a signatory to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) in 1982 and the other one was before China opted out in 2006 from the compulsory dispute settlement mechanism of UNCLOS.

In discussing the rule of law, Carpio zeroed in on three major international conventions which the Philippines has ratified: the UNCLOS; the Agreement creating in 1995 the World Trade Organization or WTO; and the Rome Statute, the treaty creating the International Criminal Court or ICC.

Carpio was President Fidel Ramos’ chief legal counsel and he knows whereof he speaks about the missed opportunities in building lighthouses.


http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab359/samuelbelibeth/China-claims-Paracel-Spratly-Islands.jpg


He said: “after the Philippines became a signatory to UNCLOS in 1982, Philippine officials studied for several years various options on how to maximize the country’s archipelagic waters under UNCLOS. Finally, these officials agreed on one thing: establish lighthouses in low-tide elevations (LTEs), which are rocks above water at low tide but submerged at high tide. With lighthouses, these LTEs qualify under UNCLOS as basepoints to connect archipelagic baselines. Without lighthouses, these LTEs do not qualify as basepoints. Preparations were thus made to install lighthouses in several LTEs, particularly in the Kalayaan Island Group.

“In early 1998, the Philippine Government decided to install the lighthouses. However, at the last minute, the Philippine Government backed out and stopped the installation of the lighthouses. Thus, the Philippines missed the chance to maximize its archipelagic waters under UNCLOS.”

Documents I have obtained on this attempt to build lighthouses in KIG showed that it was bureaucratic wrangling, particularly between the National Mapping and Resource Information Authority (NAMRIA) and the Department of National Defense on who would be the lead agency in the activity that had an initial budget of P178 million, that derailed the project.

On the second missed opportunity, Carpio said, “If China’s 9-dashed line map is questioned before an UNCLOS tribunal, there is no doubt that it would be declared as having no basis in international law.

“China’s 9-dashed line map simply cannot co-exist with UNCLOS. Upholding one means killing the other. The challenge then, for the Philippines as well as for other states trampled upon by China’s 9-dashed line map, is how to bring the validity of China’s 9-dashed line map to an UNCLOS tribunal, given that China has opted out in 2006 from the compulsory dispute settlement mechanism of UNCLOS. Had the Philippines and other claimant states brought China to compulsory arbitration before 2006, China, which ratified UNCLOS in 1996, would have had no recourse but to submit to compulsory arbitration. That would have ended China’s claim to the entire South China Sea under whatever basis or theory. Inexplicably, the Philippines and other claimant states missed their chance to bring China to UNCLOS before China opted out of the compulsory dispute settlement mechanism.”

The nine-dash-line is a map showing a U-shaped line enclosing almost the whole of the South China Sea which China claims belongs to them. The map has been widely protested by several countries including the Philippines and criticized in the international community.


http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab359/samuelbelibeth/chineseclaim.jpg

China is claiming the whole China Sea

Pls read more :

http://www.ellentordesillas.com/2011/11/07/bring-china%e2%80%99s-9-dash-line-to-un-justice-carpio/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EllenTordesillas+%28Ellen+Tordesillas%29&utm_content=Yahoo%21+Mail

chinks buayas...

"i was born in north cotabato when misuari lauch jihad and the ilagas those fearsome paramilitaries doing dirty jobs hunting and answering their jihad in hatred among filipinos never been experienced before when i decided to join the PMA in the 90's but failed due to nearsighted (stupid matrix of the AFP) and realized hueys upon hueys delievering wounded and kia from the Marag valley campaign as we perform a week of PE at v.luna, i may also be dead or abused in the AFP cycle of mismanagement graduating on the magdalalo batch, but until now those hundreds of thousands of filipinos dead seemed not enough to justify bravery among filipinos,..i don't want the conflict in my own country and the place of my birth to outlive my short stint here on earth i want to see peace in our country reign not through violence as it were proven ineffective in resolving the conflict with a fellow principled filipinos,"

Ano ba ang pinagsasabi mo. One whole paragraph without a period.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gevTmyWtHVo


gevTmyWtHVo

AFP sends Navy team to US for patrol ship acquisition
By Alexis Romero (The Philippine Star) Updated November 08, 2011 12:00 AM Comments (1) View comments

MANILA, Philippines - The military has sent Navy officers to the US to determine the requirements for the acquisition of a second Hamilton-class patrol ship.

Armed Forces deputy chief for plans and programs Brig. Gen. Roy Deveraturda said the team would gather data relevant to the acquisition like training requirements and sail route.

“The assessment team will determine the requirements and future actions of the Navy in case we acquire the ship from the US,” Deveraturda told The STAR.

“We already sent a survey team composed of personnel from the Philippine Navy to see what is needed (for the acquisition of the vessel),” he added.

Deveraturda said the Navy survey team left for the US last week.

The military hopes to acquire its second Hamilton-class cutter by the first quarter of 2012.

“Perhaps in the first quarter, the latest would be the second quarter of next year,” Deveraturda replied when asked when the armed forces would acquire the ship.



He, however, claimed that its cost would be close to the budget allocated to acquire the first Hamilton-class ship that arrived in the country last August.

“If we are talking about the cost, I could not tell the actual amount but it would not be far from the amount we spent for the first one,” he said.

The first Hamilton ship’s transfer cost has been pegged at P450 million while the operational cost for two years is estimated at P120 million.

“The timeline for the retiring of the Hamilton-class ship (by the US) has not been followed. The ship that would replace it, the National Security-class cutter, is not yet available,” he said.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=745766&publicationSubCategoryId=63

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gevTmyWtHVo


gevTmyWtHVo

I don't think edsa revolution is a mistake. I was to bring back democracy to our country. Sadly, we have no option that time but to install the inexperience Cory Aquino. I ( and so many in our town) had a very bad memory of the Marcos time. The kings back then was the Philippine Constabulary, our neighbors truck that used to haul sugarcane was burned because of a disagreement with the PC. Every week there's a dead person in front of our municipal hall. NPA's multiply by hundreds, classes often suspended due to gunfights, and many more. Bringing back the Marcoses is scary.

http://jaimedelacruzblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/where-did-cojuangcos-wealth-really-come.html

http://jaimedelacruzblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/part-one-seeking-holy-grail-on-good.html

Batbat ang nakaraan ng mga kuwento ng pagtataksil ng mga tao sa kanilang sinumpaang pag-ibig – sa bayan man o sa kasintahan.

Ganito ang kuwento ng trahedyang pag-ibig ni Antonio Luna, dakilang heneral ng Digmaang Pilipino-Amerikano, matinitk na taktisyan at tahasang anti-Amerikano. Dahil bukod sa pinatay siya mismo ng kapwa Pilipinong mga sundalo, ipinagkanulo din ng naging kasintahan ni Luna ang tiwalang ipinagkaloob sa kanya ng heneral.

xxxx
Nasa Malolos ang dating tinitirhang mansiyon ng mga Cojuangco. Pagbukas ng Kongreso ng Malolos, sinasabing nakitira sa mga Cojuangco ang ilang prominenteng lider ng gobyerno, kabilang na si Luna. Dito nagsimula ang kuwento umano ng pag-iibigan nina Luna at Ysidra Cojuangco, matriyarka ng angkang Cojuangco sa Paniqui, Tarlac.

Nawawalang Pera

Sa huling taon ng buhay ni Heneral Luna, ipinatago diumano niya sa kasintahang si Ysidra ang mga kayamanan ng rebolusyonaryong gobyerno. Ayon sa historyador na si Alfredo Saulo:


The convoy of carts loaded with a huge amount of Spanish gold and silver coins seized from local treasuries in the Ilocos region, leading this convoy through forested areas up to the final destination in Paniqui, Tarlac, in the house of Ysidra Cojuangco, girlfriend of General Antonio Luna.

Nang paslangin si Luna noong Hunyo 5, 1899 sa Cabanatuan, sa utos diumano ni Heneral Aguinaldo, naiwan kay Ysidra ang mga ginto ng rebolusyon. At dahil hindi hayagan ang relasyon ng magkasintahan, hindi alam ng karamihan sa mga lider kung saan o kanino iniwan ni Luna ang mga ginto.

Hindi na isinauli ni Ysidra ang mga ginto.

Malaki ang ebidensiya, ayon kay Henares, na ang mga gintong ipinatago ni Luna kay Ysidra ang dahilan ng biglang pagyaman diumano ng mga Cojuangco. Matagal na ring alam ng mga viejas familias sa Gitnang Luzon na sa rebolusyonaryong gobyerno ni Aguinaldo at ng Katipunan nanggaling ang kayamanan ng pamilyang Cojuangco.


Pls read more :

http://krguda.wordpress.com/category/history/

wala na yatang kinalaman yan mga post mo sa defense. parang propaganda na yata yan.

wala na yatang kinalaman yan mga post mo sa defense. parang propaganda na yata yan.

parang Intermission number lang yan.......

marami sila na ginagawang business enterprises ang military... :ohno:
We better learn to be careful and circumspect about sensitive things because Big Brother is indeed watching. ;) I have a good friend also from Cebu, he's a Mistah and tells me they do read and monitor what Foristas write about on the various Philippine forums. How does he know? Because he is attached with the ISAFP.


if they have the balls to come to us... there are many more of us, were trained to counter those threats. those that you mentioned were killed bcoz they have other stupid cases. those guys from S2log (all they do is monitor fellow soldiers) they cant touch us... if they get to us baka maunahan pa cla by the reds. Im burned already. nasa listahan na ako sa Region8... why would i fear them, bayad nko...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gevTmyWtHVo


parang Intermission number lang yan.......


:lol: baka maging pelikula ang scandal..ooops ang romansa nila Ysidra at Tony. :D

pero pare ko naman, bakit naman yung video ay gumamit ng My Lai massacre photo? Give the Vietnamese victims some courtesy of not being used in other propaganda.

if they have the balls to come to us... there are many more of us, were trained to counter those threats. those that you mentioned were killed bcoz they have other stupid cases. those guys from S2log (all they do is monitor fellow soldiers) they cant touch us... if they get to us baka maunahan pa cla by the reds. Im burned already. nasa listahan na ako sa Region8... why would i fear them, bayad nko...

Like what you said, "let them"! Hahahaha. The point is, you are more familiar in your own turf! They should re-read and learn Sun tzu's bamboo texts to get the upperhand, IMHO.

BRP Rajah Humabon PF-11 getting underway inside breakwater Manila Bay as seen from my condo unit ...

http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m335/filipinas40/DSC00467.jpg

if they have the balls to come to us... there are many more of us, were trained to counter those threats. those that you mentioned were killed bcoz they have other stupid cases. those guys from S2log (all they do is monitor fellow soldiers) they cant touch us... if they get to us baka maunahan pa cla by the reds. Im burned already. nasa listahan na ako sa Region8... why would i fear them, bayad nko...No worries, I am sure you guys are more than capable of defending yourselves. Now about those red's lists, if they can fix a list, so can the government side as well. weather weather lang, ensacto sa makauna ug abtik lang... and it just so happens that the government side has a slight edge in resources compared with the reds. The milf is another thing though...

God bless and more power to you guys.

:lol: baka maging pelikula ang scandal..ooops ang romansa nila Ysidra at Tony. :D

pero pare ko naman, bakit naman yung video ay gumamit ng My Lai massacre photo? Give the Vietnamese victims some courtesy of not being used in other propaganda. ;)
^^ one needs to be discerning about things. Now about that 06:21 segment, those are not Filipino civilians.

with all due respect to the Vietnamese civilians in the photo.

The My Lai massacre.
http://operatorchan.org/war/src/war7249_Vietnamese%20My%20Lai%20massacre%20of%20Vietnameseese%20women.jpg

http://www.google.com.ph/imgres?q=my+lai+massacre&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rlz=1T4ADFA_enPH452PH453&biw=1280&bih=600&tbm=isch&tbnid=aEyZuNpFksW4dM:&imgrefurl=http://operatorchan.org/war/res/6974%2B50.html&docid=q_2TyKIojmcVeM&imgurl=http://operatorchan.org/war/src/war7249_Vietnamese%252520My%252520Lai%252520massacre%252520of%252520Vietnameseese%252520women.jpg&w=882&h=582&ei=TWi4TpSRKeWSiQeJ392WAg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=110&sig=102985017079870661385&page=5&tbnh=118&tbnw=156&start=88&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:13,s:88&tx=126&ty=56

The Old Cojuangco Fortune and the First Philippine Republic fund.


http://forthephilippines.blogspot.com/2011/06/old-cojuangco-fortune-first-philippine.html

The Old Cojuangco Fortune and the First Philippine Republic fund.


http://forthephilippines.blogspot.com/2011/06/old-cojuangco-fortune-first-philippine.html

:lol: From P27,000 that the US calvary said that were not accounted for to millions in gold and now..billions pesos na ang gustong mabawi sa mga Cojuangco. :D


Maraming versions ang pagkayaman ng mga conjuangco, pare...at yung pagpapaupa nila sa mga magsasaka ng lupa at pag papahiram ng pera ng mga Cojuangco para sa mga pamilya ng magsasaka.

Ilang barrio o sitio na ba sa Tarlac ang dating parte ng Hacienda Luisita?

^^ Dagdag bawas, nangyari tuloy. :lol:

"i was born in north cotabato when misuari lauch jihad and the ilagas those fearsome paramilitaries doing dirty jobs hunting and answering their jihad in hatred among filipinos never been experienced before when i decided to join the PMA in the 90's but failed due to nearsighted (stupid matrix of the AFP) and realized hueys upon hueys delievering wounded and kia from the Marag valley campaign as we perform a week of PE at v.luna, i may also be dead or abused in the AFP cycle of mismanagement graduating on the magdalalo batch, but until now those hundreds of thousands of filipinos dead seemed not enough to justify bravery among filipinos,..i don't want the conflict in my own country and the place of my birth to outlive my short stint here on earth i want to see peace in our country reign not through violence as it were proven ineffective in resolving the conflict with a fellow principled filipinos,"

Ano ba ang pinagsasabi mo. One whole paragraph without a period.

di lagyan mo period!

Ito pa nga lang dna maresolve ng AFP at PNP all-out war pa kaya???

........8 die in clan war over unpaid debt in Philippines

ZAMBOANGA, Philippines (AP) — An army commander says at least eight people have been killed in a clan war triggered by the sale of a car in the southern Philippines.

Army Col. Daniel Lucero says sporadic gunbattles raged Friday and Saturday between a Muslim clan led by Arimao Asum and two rival families in Lanao del Sur province's Sultan Dumalondong town.

Lucero said Monday that an unpaid debt from the car sale led to a killing in 2001, and was followed by retaliation by both sides that culminated in the weekend clashes.

Clan wars over money, land, politics and old scores are a key security concern in the south, in addition to decades-long Muslim insurgencies.

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/8-die-clan-war-over-unpaid-debt-philippines-101338764.html

Ito pa nga lang dna maresolve ng AFP at PNP all-out war pa kaya???

........8 die in clan war over unpaid debt in Philippines

ZAMBOANGA, Philippines (AP) — An army commander says at least eight people have been killed in a clan war triggered by the sale of a car in the southern Philippines.

Army Col. Daniel Lucero says sporadic gunbattles raged Friday and Saturday between a Muslim clan led by Arimao Asum and two rival families in Lanao del Sur province's Sultan Dumalondong town.

Lucero said Monday that an unpaid debt from the car sale led to a killing in 2001, and was followed by retaliation by both sides that culminated in the weekend clashes.

Clan wars over money, land, politics and old scores are a key security concern in the south, in addition to decades-long Muslim insurgencies.

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/8-die-clan-war-over-unpaid-debt-philippines-101338764.html

one of the main reasons (RIDO) the national govt. must not give up mindanao to them... there is simply no police power in ARMM, the PNP men act as bodyguards of the politicians, they dont man their police stations, no blotters are filed, no police reports, no investigations and the police cannot arrest those who are involved bcoz they are too afraid... the police in these areas are like security guards with benefits of course... PDEA doesnt trust them either, during PDEA operations they ask the army to assist them...

:lol: From P27,000 that the US calvary said that were not accounted for to millions in gold and now..billions pesos na ang gustong mabawi sa mga Cojuangco. :D


Maraming versions ang pagkayaman ng mga conjuangco, pare...at yung pagpapaupa nila sa mga magsasaka ng lupa at pag papahiram ng pera ng mga Cojuangco para sa mga pamilya ng magsasaka.

Ilang barrio o sitio na ba sa Tarlac ang dating parte ng Hacienda Luisita?





gevTmyWtHVo


This Video may seem to be a propaganda by ex Pres. GMA's political allies against Pnoy but my intentions in posting this here is to further enlightened the Filipino peoples about the evils of elite Filipino families (also including Chinoys). And also to give justice to poor tenants of Hacienda Luisita who were killed during the infamous Luisita Massacres while Pnoys is the Administrator of Hacienda Luisita during that time of the infamous massacres. And also to give justice to the victims of the infamous Mendiola massacres during the reign of Cory Aquino.

I wish to emphasize that I am not pro GMA nor anti-Aquino Administration but I am an ardent Filipino nationalist (though my grandparents in both paternal and maternal sides have Chinese heritage).

Actually I hated GMA as I hated Marcos and all other corrupt government officials and politicians.

P.S. about the photo of My Lai massacre, perhaps the maker of the mentioned Video accidentally included the My Lai photo owing apparently his PC file folder were mixed-up.

But all the stories in this mentioned Video were all historically correct since the stories of Gold, silvers, etc “Funds” of the First Philippine Republic were also mentioned in the ‘memoirs” of Filipino revolutionaries and can be verified in the National Library. The mentioned Luisita Massacre, Mendiola Massacres, and Lupao Massacre were all published in the national newspaper during that time.

Pare ko – with Interest the Funds of the First Philippine Republic entrusted by General Antonio Luna to his girlfriend Ysidra Cojuangco may amount to billion of pesos at this present time as calculated by my nationalist friend Jesusa, a professor in U.P.


http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab359/samuelbelibeth/factsabtcory-1.jpg

This Video may seem to be a propaganda by ex GMA political allies against Pnoy but my intentions in posting this here is to further enlightened the Filipino peoples about the evils of elite capitalist Filipino families (also including those capitalist Chinoys). And also to give justice to poor tenants of Hacienda Luisita who were killed during the infamous Luisita Massacres while Pnoys is the Administrator of Hacienda Luisita during that time of the infamous massacres. And also to give justice to the victims of the infamous Mendiola massacres during the reign of Cory Aquino.

I wish to emphasize that I am not pro GMA nor anti-Aquino Administration but I am an ardent Filipino nationalist (though my grandparents in both paternal and maternal sides have Chinese heritage, so I am not anti-chinese).

Actually I hated GMA as I hated Marcos and all other corrupt Pinoy government officials and politicians.

P.S. about the photo of My Lai massacre, perhaps the maker of the mentioned Video accidentally included the My Lai photo owing apparently his PC file folder were mixed-up.

But all the stories in this mentioned Video were all historically correct since the stories of Gold, silvers, etc “Funds” of the First Philippine Republic were also mentioned in the ‘memoirs” of Filipino revolutionaries and can be verified in the National Library. The mentioned Luisita Massacre, Mendiola Massacres, and Lupao Massacre were all published in the national newspaper during that time.

Pare ko – with Interest the Funds of the First Philippine Republic entrusted by General Antonio Luna to his girlfriend Ysidra Cojuangco may amount to billion of pesos at this present time as calculated by my nationalist friend Jesusa, a professor in U.P.

There's no argument that the author of the video was echoing with so much graphics the known facts of our history. It's a propaganda that will surely get the attention of anyone with some informations that were gathered from different handsdown stories and tales.

The funds from the revolutionary groups have different stories...there are no other witnesses that can proved that Antonio Luna left behind to Ysidra the huge amount of questionable funds. The US Calvary's account of that incident is way different than the rumors that was spread by other so called storytellers of the revolution. Some historians says that the amount entrusted to A. Luna was about P27,000.

If you were able to talk to some residents around the existing Hacienda Luisita compound, they will tell you that their land, the small towns and other areas used to belong to the original hacienda.

I have no problem with HL giving away their lands, It's the Conjuangcos call right now and I doubt if the Aquinos still have some vested interest on that.

Will all the ORIGINAL farmers agree on the distribution of lands or will they take the money offered instead?

The massacres are now part of the dark history of our nation, pointing fingers will lead to different directions. Since the militant groups are now represented in congress, why not take that course in settling the grievances of the farmers that they said they are supporting.

the PAF flying coffins strike again.. OV-10 crashes at EAAB, Zambo. City.. pilots are safe though

^^ repost

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s320x320/302186_10150455677396663_112811476662_10592287_1077121032_n.jpg

(Photo courtesy of ZCPO)

OV 10 bomber plane of Phil Air Force crashed land at Edwin Andrews Air Base around 10am ZET, pilot survive..

Tsk Tsk Tsk....

The 2nd Hamilton Class vessel for the PN will arrive in the 1st or 2nd quarter of 2012 and it will be the USCGC Dallas WHEC-716 which is homeported in the state of South Carolina...

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=746122&publicationSubCategoryId=63


http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m335/filipinas40/USCGC-716.jpg

^^ anu ba yan.. nabawasan nanaman tau ng aircraft... ung pinakaimportante pa ung mga bomber.. haay.. pnoy gising na..

Okay, I know I did some outburst in this thread. I want to apologize for that. I guess the whole Mindanao war out break got in my head and lit some separatist in me. Yeah, I do fantasize that Mindanao will be separated from the Philippines and see what is it like. For me, without Mindanao, maybe the rest of the Philippines will finally be more economically and politically stable (even if I'm a Mindanaon myself). Then Mindanao, now a country (not strictly Bangasmoro, jeez) with new laws and policies, something current Philippines is lacking. Also, Philippines corrupt system also made me fantasize of this. And no, I'm not the only one who believes in this. There are plenty. DEAL WITH IT.

Ater some rethinking, I do love Philippines, yes. I love Mindanao, yes. But being a 'Filipino', there's something in me that says a lot of cons than pros. That's why I said "As a Filipino? I'm not sure." That doesn't imply I hate being a Filipino and not liking Philippines. Filipino refers to a person, not a country. Philippines is a beautiful country, but the people living in it.. man.

Okay, I apologized for my 'anti-nationalism' posts but I'm not apologizing to those who called me MILF, narrow-minded and brainwashed separatist. I wanna thank the people who gave explanation to my outbursts/posts and to those who gave me a proper debate, But for those who only insulted me (you know who you are) and didn't even give a proper discussion, only called me narrow-minded and told me to get out of the Philippines, let me tell you, if you think I talk like a brainwashed separatist, then you act like a underage Youtube user, only giving insults, type in bold letters and cannot hold a discussion. Is that how they teach you how to debate?

And lastly, I wanna tell all of you that what happens in Basilan/Zamboanga/Cotobato doesn't mean it happens in all parts of Mindanao. I don't want Mindanao to be generalized as a "unpeaceful island with terrorism". Mindanao is a big island and not every part of Mindanao is engulf in war. Whatever happens to other regions doesn't happen in others. Sadly, there are journalist/news reporters who keeps generalizing Mindanao as a whole and it's actually offensive, especially with the regions that actually prosper and one is even dubbed as one of the 'peaceful cities in Asia'.

With that I said, I love Philippines, I love Mindanao. No to ALL-OUT-WAR. I hate the system.

one of the main reasons (RIDO) the national govt. must not give up mindanao to them... there is simply no police power in ARMM, the PNP men act as bodyguards of the politicians, they dont man their police stations, no blotters are filed, no police reports, no investigations and the police cannot arrest those who are involved bcoz they are too afraid... the police in these areas are like security guards with benefits of course... PDEA doesnt trust them either, during PDEA operations they ask the army to assist them...

police matter ito e, e di mag-regodon cla yung taga maynila na busy sa pangongotong cla mag man sa mindanao at yang chief of PNP dapat mag resign na wag nya sabihin di nya kaya police matter sa mga lugar na to sa mindanao dapat mahiya na cya,..dalhin lahat ng mga manila police dito lalo na yung mga may kaso at mga kotong cops para malaman nila paano ang isang may dangal na police,..after MILF peace treaty kung mag materialize ito gawin ng PNP at AFP suyurin na lahat ng outlaws, private armies, at mga ambisyosong mga rebelde at terorista "hamletting" dapat sa mga lugar na pinamumugaran nila,..

hehehe, even those abu sayaf are pure-blooded filipinos my friend whether you like it or not!

police matter ito e, e di mag-regodon cla yung taga maynila na busy sa pangongotong cla mag man sa mindanao at yang chief of PNP dapat mag resign na wag nya sabihin di nya kaya police matter sa mga lugar na to sa mindanao dapat mahiya na cya,..dalhin lahat ng mga manila police dito lalo na yung mga may kaso at mga kotong cops para malaman nila paano ang isang may dangal na police,..

di naman kaya mas ginawa mong lawless ang Mindanao? When you take out the presence of good men in an area and replace it with the bad once, how sure are you that these bad ones will become good? they will adopt and survive. Hindi rehabilitation center ang Mindanao kapatid.

hehehe, even those abu sayaf are pure-blooded filipinos my friend whether you like it or not!

How sure are you my friend that they are all pure blooded Filipinos? Do you know all of the members of ASG? What do you mean when you say pure blooded Filipino? I heard that some JI members joined ASG.

The 2nd Hamilton Class vessel for the PN will arrive in the 1st or 2nd quarter of 2012 and it will be the USCGC Dallas WHEC-716 which is homeported in the state of South Carolina...

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=746122&publicationSubCategoryId=63


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Good news..

although as old as the BRP Gregorio del Pilar, it was also refurbished in the late 1980s by the US Coast Guard..so parang bago na rin.

Parang old car/classic car na fully restored.Big help for the Philippine navy.

On the other hand, we need badly more attack aircrafts for internal and external defense. Bulok na talaga mga OV-10.

How sure are you my friend that they are all pure blooded Filipinos? Do you know all of the members of ASG? What do you mean when you say pure blooded Filipino? I heard that some JI members joined ASG.

I'm referring to the abu sayaff not the imported JI,..

di naman kaya mas ginawa mong lawless ang Mindanao? When you take out the presence of good men in an area and replace it with the bad once, how sure are you that these bad ones will become good? they will adopt and survive. Hindi rehabilitation center ang Mindanao kapatid.

dmo gets? pag di cla tumino sa mindanao at umayos sa trabaho nila kabaong clang babalik sa maynila,..ito yung ginawa ni lacson dati at gusto ni lacson ipadala sa mindanao at sa davao pa mismo ang choice nya at sabi ni duterte pag di cla umayos ibabalik cla sa maynila sa loob ng kabaong! gets mo? sometimes wag masyado litiral pagka-intinde,..

Good news..

although as old as the BRP Gregorio del Pilar, it was also refurbished in the late 1980s by the US Coast Guard..so parang bago na rin.

Parang old car/classic car na fully restored.Big help for the Philippine navy.

On the other hand, we need badly more attack aircrafts for internal and external defense. Bulok na talaga mga OV-10.

Yes, that's for 'SURE'...

http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m335/filipinas40/OV10-8.jpg

8 OV-10's on runway at Andrews Air Base...

dmo gets? pag di cla tumino sa mindanao at umayos sa trabaho nila kabaong clang babalik sa maynila,..ito yung ginawa ni lacson dati at gusto ni lacson ipadala sa mindanao at sa davao pa mismo ang choice nya at sabi ni duterte pag di cla umayos ibabalik cla sa maynila sa loob ng kabaong! gets mo? sometimes wag masyado litiral pagka-intinde,..

it doesnt need to be a genius para maintindihan ang gusto mong iparating. pero naisip mo rin ba na ang masamang tao e madaling makipagblend sa isa pang masamang tao? kung lahat ng masasamang pulis ilalagay mo sa Mindanao, e di parang party na ng masasamang tao ang mangyayari. and hindi mo ba naisip na mas delikado para sa security ng Pinas pag ginawa yang gusto mo? nagawa nga ng mga pulis na makipagsabwatang sa mga kawatan dito sa Manila, sa mga bandido pa kaya sa Mindanao? hindi bobo ang mga pulis na yan, matatalino rin yan at higit sa lahat tuso.

I'm referring to the abu sayaff not the imported JI,..

And again, how sure are you na pure blooded Filipinos ang mga ASG? When these imported JI joined ASG, they are not JI anymore. They are ASG. Theres no such thing as ASG-JI.

^^crap, don't put too much details on your pics or don't post pics of our assets at all...chicoms are watching our defence forums...which may include this.

1 OV-10 plane crash in zamboanga i saw the news on gma pinoy tv at 24 Oras... Nov.09, 2011

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06WQ0Scc5q0wr/610x.jpg

Philippine Air Force shows personnel check the wreckage of the OV-10 bronco bomber plane that crash landed inside the military air base in Zamboanga City, southern Philippines November 9, 2011. The two air force test pilots survived after they ejected off the plane before it crashed and exploded.

^^crap, don't put too much details on your pics or don't post pics of our assets at all...chicoms are watching our defence forums...which may include this.

you're joking right??:doh:

And again, how sure are you na pure blooded Filipinos ang mga ASG? When these imported JI joined ASG, they are not JI anymore. They are ASG. Theres no such thing as ASG-JI.

pinoy kaba?sankaba nakatira?nakarating kna ba mindanao?bat parang igno ka kung pinoy o hinde ang mga abu sayaff,..yung mga JI nagtatago lang yan sa lugar ng abu sayaff,..

it doesnt need to be a genius para maintindihan ang gusto mong iparating. pero naisip mo rin ba na ang masamang tao e madaling makipagblend sa isa pang masamang tao? kung lahat ng masasamang pulis ilalagay mo sa Mindanao, e di parang party na ng masasamang tao ang mangyayari. and hindi mo ba naisip na mas delikado para sa security ng Pinas pag ginawa yang gusto mo? nagawa nga ng mga pulis na makipagsabwatang sa mga kawatan dito sa Manila, sa mga bandido pa kaya sa Mindanao? hindi bobo ang mga pulis na yan, matatalino rin yan at higit sa lahat tuso.

kaya nga i-try nila ilagay sa mindanao mga pamilyado yan dba?buti kung d titino yan kung napasarap cla sa manila bka kung dba naman titino yan,..sa davao nlang para ma disiplina ni duterte,..

kaya nga i-try nila ilagay sa mindanao mga pamilyado yan dba?buti kung d titino yan kung napasarap cla sa manila bka kung dba naman titino yan,..sa davao nlang para ma disiplina ni duterte,..

di mo ba naisip na pamilyado rin yang mga yan sa Manila pero nakakagawa pa rin sila ng kabulastugan. kung gusto meron paraan. kahit saang lugar mo ilagay yan kung gusto nyan magpakatino e titino yan. how sure are you na titino yan pag nilagay mo yan sa Davao?

pinoy kaba?sankaba nakatira?nakarating kna ba mindanao?bat parang igno ka kung pinoy o hinde ang mga abu sayaff,..yung mga JI nagtatago lang yan sa lugar ng abu sayaff,..

:) brod simple lang ang tanong ko sayo. kilala mo ba lahat ng mga miyembro ng ASG? ngayon kung kilala mo lahat ng mga miyembro nila baka maniwala pa ako sa punto na gusto mong ipahiwatig.

and second, oo Pilipino ako at ipinagmamalaki ko na Pilipino ako.

:) brod simple lang ang tanong ko sayo. kilala mo ba lahat ng mga miyembro ng ASG? ngayon kung kilala mo lahat ng mga miyembro nila baka maniwala pa ako sa punto na gusto mong ipahiwatig.

and second, oo Pilipino ako at ipinagmamalaki ko na Pilipino ako.

e di pareho lang kayo ng mga abu sayaff,..pilipino ka pala e nagtatanong kapa kung ano cla

di mo ba naisip na pamilyado rin yang mga yan sa Manila pero nakakagawa pa rin sila ng kabulastugan. kung gusto meron paraan. kahit saang lugar mo ilagay yan kung gusto nyan magpakatino e titino yan. how sure are you na titino yan pag nilagay mo yan sa Davao?

100%, itry mo i-arrage kay digong subukan nila dun sa davao gumawa ng mga kagaguhan nila,..

100%, itry mo i-arrage kay digong subukan nila dun sa davao gumawa ng mga kagaguhan nila,..

Ayan, sinubukan uli ng NPA manumba ng sundalo sa Davao City...

Soldier shot dead while bringing kids to school in Davao City (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/238112/regions/soldier-shot-dead-while-bringing-kids-to-school-in-davao-city)

simple ng tanong kung anu-ano ang sinasagot. hehehhe.

Yes, that's for 'SURE'...

http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m335/filipinas40/OV10-8.jpg

8 OV-10's on runway at Andrews Air Base...

^^kawawa naman tyo we have remote control planes:bash::bash::bash:

it is still better to have those than nothing. :)

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Philippine Air Force shows personnel check the wreckage of the OV-10 bronco bomber plane that crash landed inside the military air base in Zamboanga City, southern Philippines November 9, 2011. The two air force test pilots survived after they ejected off the plane before it crashed and exploded.

good thing their ejection seats worked! hehe!

it is still better to have those than nothing. :)

better to have nothing than have those!

better to have nothing than have those!

Yeah for poor arm forces. believe it or not. PAF suffer major major setback due to rampant corruption in Arm Forces of The Philippines

sige nga, boy yabang, pakita mo ang galing mo, paki explain ng difference ng mga eroplano. Dapat tagalog lahat ah. Dapat lahat ng aspeto ng dalawa ma distinguish mo sa tagalog, kung hindi, yabang lang pala talaga ang natira sayo.

And beside, di mo kasi binabasa ni-rereplayan ko, si pol.sci., who was asking about potential aircraft acquisition, and in response, I posted the possibility of an acquisition of the t-50 eagle based on a newspaper report. pantasya ba yan?

sige, paki-explain nga sa akin ang difference ng mga eroplano kahit na hindi ko naman tinatanong sayo. Kaya mo ba i-explain boy? Mukhang hindi eh. pakita mo nga.

simple lang yan boy, atat ka agad eh pwede mo naman gamitin ang google!

T-50 = trainer
JAS Gripen = fighter

so baket mo nasabi na isa pang magandang choice ang JAS Gripen bukod sa T-50 eh magkaiba naman talaga sila, getz? ang unang kukunin ng PAF ay 6 na trainers (LIFT = lead-in fighter trainer) at ang choices nila ay T-50 at M-346 hindi T-50 lang bago sila bumili ng isang squadron or 12 fighters (MRF = multi-role fighter) at ang choices nila ay F/A-18 at MiG-29.

hanapin ko pa yung info sa jane's military news tungkol dito.

^^ Reposted with Q&A clipped out.

From my email. Just now

America's Pacific Century


Remarks
Hillary Rodham Clinton
Secretary of State
East-West Center
Honolulu, HI
November 10, 2011

DR. MORRISON: Aloha.

AUDIENCE: Aloha.

DR. MORRISON: How do you introduce the Secretary of State? And I think the first thing I think of as a public servant, we sometimes hear the word public servant spoken in a kind of derogatory tone. But the public servants that I’ve known, the members of our state and local government, members of our Congress, members of the international community, with a lot of volunteers and within a certain (inaudible) of the Department of State, are people who are incredibly dedicated and work tirelessly.

But there’s no one, I think, who is more tireless than the Secretary of State, and our own little vignette on this is that there was 25 years that the East-West Center saw no Secretary of State come to our campus. And in the last two years, we’ve seen this Secretary of State three times. (Applause.) Now I have learned one other thing about her this time. She is a risk-taker. We told her that the weather was going to be raining, the program should be on the inside, and she told us that the weather was going to be fine – (laughter) – that the program was going to be on the outside. And you can see who won the argument – (laughter) – but I think calculated and intelligent risk and something we also need in public service.

So I’m very pleased to present our Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton. (Applause.)

SECRETARY CLINTON: Thank you. Thank you all. Aloha.

AUDIENCE: Aloha.

SECRETARY CLINTON: And it is such a great pleasure for me to be here, back in Hawaii and at the East-West Center. This is America’s gateway to Asia, and one of the loveliest places in the world. I cannot speak for the 25 years of gap between secretaries of state coming here, but I am pleased that I have found my way here now for the third time. And the United States is so proud to host this year’s APEC Leaders’ Meeting in Honolulu, not only because we are committed to our partners in APEC, but also because it gives us the chance to share with them Hawaii’s beauty and culture, and I know that President Obama is eager to welcome everyone to his hometown when he arrives here tomorrow.

Now, there are so many people in this audience that I would like to acknowledge. First, we are joined by leaders and representatives from a dozen Pacific Island nations. This region is known as the Asia Pacific, but sometimes the second word gets less attention than the first. And the Obama Administration has taken many steps to right that balance. We have reopened our USAID office, reinvigorated our commitment to the Pacific Island Forum, and have worked more closely with all our Pacific partners to address urgent challenges from climate change to pandemic health threats to environmental degradation. So I want to thank the Pacific Island leaders for joining us today, and for their continuing partnership with the United States. And if I could, I would like all the leaders to stand so that we can properly recognize them. (Applause.)

And of course, there are other very important representatives of Hawaii and our country here with us today. My dear friend and a great leader for our country, Senator Daniel Inouye, and his wonderful wife Irene. Thank you, Senator, Irene. (Laughter.) Representative Colleen Hanabusa and Representative Mazie Hirono, thank you both for being here. (Applause.) Governor, thank you for being here and welcoming me with a warm Aloha. (Applause.) The governor said he was much happier to see me in Hawaii than in Washington. I wonder why. (Laughter.) I also have a number of other friends who are here, in particular former Governor and Mrs. Ariyoshi who are here, thank you – (applause) – former Governor and Mrs. Waihee who are here, thank you – (applause) – and so many others whom I am always pleased to see and look forward to continuing our relationship on a range of issues.

I know that it’s exciting for all of us to be here on the cusp of APEC, and I want to thank Charles Morrison and everyone at the East-West Center because, as you heard from Charles, this is the third time I’ve come on my way to somewhere else in the Asia Pacific, and I’m always grateful for the opportunity to come here to the East-West Center, because the ties between East and West are absolutely critical to our U.S. foreign policy. And to that end, I know that this is a whole-of-government effort. It’s not only our civilian representatives who are focused on and engaged with the Asia Pacific, but also our military leaders, and I want to thank Admiral Willard, Admiral Walsh, and all of the military leaders who represent us so well in the Asia Pacific. Thank you very much. (Applause.)

Now from the very beginning, the Obama Administration embraced the importance of the Asia Pacific region. So many global trends point to Asia. It’s home to nearly half the world’s population, it boasts several of the largest and fastest-growing economies and some of the world’s busiest ports and shipping lanes, and it also presents consequential challenges such as military buildups, concerns about the proliferation of nuclear weapons, natural disasters, and the world’s worst levels of greenhouse gas emissions. It is becoming increasingly clear that in the 21st century, the world’s strategic and economic center of gravity will be the Asia Pacific, from the Indian subcontinent to the western shores of the Americas. And one of the most important tasks of American statecraft over the next decades will be to lock in a substantially increased investment – diplomatic, economic, strategic, and otherwise – in this region.

Across the United States Government, under President Obama’s leadership, our diplomats, military leaders, and trade and development experts are hard at work reinforcing our relationships in the region to set us on a course for broad and lasting progress.

Events elsewhere in the world have also lined up in a way that helps makes this possible. The war in Iraq is winding down. We have begun a transition in Afghanistan. After a decade in which we invested immense resources in these two theaters, we have reached a pivot point. We now can redirect some of those investments to opportunities and obligations elsewhere. And Asia stands out as a region where opportunities abound.

We have a model for what we and our partners in the region are working to achieve. It is what the United States and our partners in Europe achieved together in the past 50 years. The 20th century saw the creation of a comprehensive transatlantic network of institutions and relationships. Its goals were to strengthen democracy, increase prosperity, and defend our collective security. And it has paid remarkable dividends, in Europe itself, in our thriving two-way trade and our investment, and in places like Libya and Afghanistan. It has also proven to be absolutely critical in dealing with countries like Iran. The transatlantic system is and always will be a central pillar of America’s engagement with the world.

But today, there is a need for a more dynamic and durable transpacific system, a more mature security and economic architecture that will promote security, prosperity, and universal values, resolve differences among nations, foster trust and accountability, and encourage effective cooperation on the scale that today’s challenges demand.

And just as the United States played a central role in shaping that architecture across the Atlantic – to ensure that it worked, for us and for everyone else – we are now doing the same across the Pacific. The 21st century will be America’s Pacific century, a period of unprecedented outreach and partnership in this dynamic, complex, and consequential region.

Now this goal is not ours alone. It is one that many across the region hold. I have heard from many different counterparts across the Asia Pacific an urgent desire for American leadership, which has brought benefits to this region already for decades. The United States is proud of our long history as a Pacific nation and a resident diplomatic, military, and economic power. And we are here to stay.

The alliances we’ve built over the years help provide the security that’s made it possible for countries throughout Asia to prosper. American ships patrol sea lanes and keep them safe for trade; American diplomats help settle disputes among nations before they escalate. We’ve been a major trade and investment partner, a source of innovation, a host to generations of students, and a committed development partner, helping to expand opportunity and bring economic and social progress to millions of people. And as a staunch advocate for democracy and human rights, we have urged countries to strengthen their own societies and allow their own citizens to live free and dignified lives.

Just as our engagement has already delivered results for the people of Asia, it has and will continue to deliver results for the American people. This is a point I particularly want to emphasize. At this time of serious economic challenges, I am well aware of the concerns of those in our own country that the United States downsize our work around the world. When they hear me and others talk about a new era of engagement in Asia I know they think to themselves, “Why would we increase our outreach anywhere? Now’s the time to scale back.” This thinking is understandable, but it is mistaken. What will happen in Asia in the years ahead will have an enormous impact on our nation’s future, and we cannot afford to sit on the sidelines and leave it to others to determine our future for us. Instead, we need to engage and seize these new opportunities for trade and investment that will create jobs at home and will fuel our economic recovery.

And there are challenges facing the Asia Pacific right now that demand America’s leadership, from ensuring freedom of navigation in the South China Sea to countering North Korea’s provocations and proliferation activities to promoting balanced and inclusive economic growth. The United States has unique capacities to bring to bear in these efforts and a strong national interest at stake.

Now that’s the why of America’s pivot toward the Asia Pacific. Now, what about the how? What will this next chapter in our engagement with Asia look like? It starts with a sustained commitment to the strategy we have followed in this administration, what I have called forward-deployed diplomacy. That means dispatching the full range of our diplomatic resources, including our highest-ranking officials, our diplomats and development experts, and our permanent assets, to every country and corner of the region.

Specifically, we are moving ahead on six key lines of action, which I have previously discussed in depth. They are: strengthening our bilateral security alliances; deepening our working relationships with emerging powers; engaging with regional multilateral institutions; expanding trade and investment; forging a broad-based military presence; and advancing democracy and human rights.

In the next two weeks, we will make progress on all of these fronts. I will join President Obama as he hosts the APEC Leaders’ Meeting right here in Honolulu, and next week in Indonesia as he becomes the first American president to attend the East Asia Summit. We will also place special emphasis on engaging each of our five treaty allies, starting with the President’s extended meeting with Japanese Prime Minister Noda here in Hawaii. The President will then go on to Australia, and I will travel to the Philippines and Thailand. And later this month, I’ll visit South Korea for the Fourth High-Level Forum on Aid Effectiveness.

So these coming days represent a significant period of engagement, and let me briefly describe our goals, tracking our travels from APEC to our allies to the East Asia Summit. Economic issues are front and center in these relationships. American businesses are eager for more opportunities to trade and invest in Asian markets. And we share with most nations the goal of broad-based, sustainable growth that expands opportunity, protects workers and the environment, respects intellectual property, and fosters innovation.

But to accomplish these goals, we have to create a rules-based order, one that is open, free, transparent, and fair. As a member of APEC and host of this meeting, the United States will drive an agenda focused on strengthening regional economic integration, promoting green growth, and advancing regulatory cooperation and convergence. And we will continue to work through APEC to invest in the economic potential of women, whose talents and contribution still often go untapped. This agenda will create jobs and generate growth for all of us, but only if all of us play by the rules. We have to remove barriers, both at borders and behind borders, barriers like corruption, the theft of intellectual property, government practices that distort fair competition. Economic integration must be a two-way street.

There is new momentum in our trade agenda with the recent passage of the U.S.-Korea Free Trade Agreement and our ongoing work on a binding, high-quality Trans-Pacific Partnership, the so-called TPP. The TPP will bring together economies from across the Pacific, developed and developing alike, into a single 21st century trading community. A rules-based order will also be critical to meeting APEC’s goal of eventually creating a free trade area of the Asia Pacific.

The United States will continue to make the case that, as a region, we must pursue not just more growth but better growth. This is not merely a matter of economics. It goes to the central question of which values we will embrace and defend. Openness, freedom, transparency, and fairness have meaning far beyond the business realm. Just as the United States advocates for them in an economic context, we also advocate for them in political and social contexts.

We support not only open economies but open societies. And as we engage more deeply with nations with whom we disagree on issues like democracy and human rights, we will persist in urging them to reform. For example, we have made it clear to Vietnam that if we are to develop a strategic partnership, as both nations desire, Vietnam must do more to respect and protect its citizens’ rights.

And in Burma, where the United States has consistently advocated for democratic reforms and human rights, we are witnessing the first stirrings of change in decades. Now, many questions remain, including the government’s continued detention of political prisoners, and whether reform will be sustained and extended to include peace and reconciliation in the ethnic minority areas. Should the government pursue genuine and lasting reform for the benefits of its citizens, it will find a partner in the United States.

As for North Korea, it shows a persistent disregard for the rights of its citizens and presents a major security challenge to its neighbors. We will continue to speak out forcefully against the threat from the regime that it poses to its own people and beyond.

Our commitment to democracy and human rights is shared by many nations in the region, in particular our treaty allies – Japan, South Korea, Australia, the Philippines, and Thailand. These five alliances are the fulcrum for our efforts in the Asia Pacific. They have underwritten regional peace and security for more than half a century. They leverage our regional presence and enhance our regional leadership at a time of evolving security challenges.

And now we are updating those alliances for a changing world with three guidelines in mind. First, we are working to ensure that the core objectives of our alliances have the political support of our people. Second, we want our alliances to be nimble and adaptive so they can continue to deliver results. And third, we are making sure that our collective defense capabilities and communications infrastructure are operationally and materially capable of deterring provocation from the full spectrum of state and non-state actors.

All these issues will be addressed in our upcoming visits and meetings. When the President meets with Prime Minister Noda, they will discuss the full breadth of our engagement that makes the U.S.-Japan alliance the cornerstone of peace and security in the region. In Australia, President Obama will celebrate the 60th anniversary of the U.S.-Australia alliance and chart a future course for the partnership. I will do the same in the Philippines, where our two countries will sign the Manila Declaration, which sets forth a shared vision for continued cooperation between our nations. And in Thailand, I will convey our steadfast support for the Thai Government and people as they face the worst floods in their history. In South Korea, we will show once again how our alliance has gone global, through our work together in the G-20 and the Nuclear Security Summit, and now a major forum South Korea is hosting on development aid.

The United States takes very seriously the role that our military plays in protecting the region, including more than 50,000 U.S. servicemen and women stationed in Japan and South Korea. As this region changes, we must change our force posture to ensure that it is geographically distributed, operationally resilient, and politically sustainable. A more broadly distributed military presence provides vital advantages, both in deterring and responding to threats, and in providing support for humanitarian missions.

As we reaffirm and strengthen our Pacific alliances, we are also intensifying our Atlantic alliances, as Europe becomes more engaged with Asia. We welcome that. American and European diplomats have begun regular consultations to align our assessments and approaches. An effective partnership with Europe will be vital to solving many of the challenges facing Asia, and more cooperation between the Pacific and Atlantic regions could help us all in meeting our global problems.

As President Obama and I conclude our upcoming visits to our key treaty allies, I will join him next week at the East Asia Summit in Indonesia. We are proud to be part of the EAS, and we believe it should become the premier forum for dealing with regional political and security issues, from maritime security to nonproliferation to disaster response.

On this last issue in particular, the United States is ready to lend our expertise to help build the capacity of the East Asia Summit and other institutions to respond swiftly and effectively when natural disasters strike. From the 2004 tsunami to the earthquake earlier this year in Christchurch, New Zealand, the earthquake, tsunami, and nuclear disaster in Japan, the flooding now happening in Thailand, the United States stands ready to contribute, to deliver aid, to provide expertise and capabilities, financial resources. Other nations are now making disaster resilience a higher priority. Because even when disaster strikes just one country alone, the impact is widely felt, so this calls out for a closely coordinated regional response.

And that’s what strong regional institutions can help provide, like the East Asia Summit, APEC, ASEAN, and the ASEAN Regional Forum. We need to be able to muster collective action when it is called for, reinforce a system of rules and responsibilities, reward constructive behavior with legitimacy and respect, and hold accountable those who undermine peace, stability, and prosperity. The institutions of the Asia Pacific have become more capable in recent years, and the United States is committed to helping them grow in effectiveness and reach. We are answering the calls to us from the region in playing an active role in helping to set agendas.

Our ability to build a successful regional architecture will turn on our ability to work effectively with the emerging powers, countries like Indonesia, or India, Singapore, New Zealand, Malaysia, Mongolia, Vietnam, Brunei, and the Pacific Island countries. So we’re making a concerted effort to build closer and more extensive partnerships with all these nations. India and Indonesia in particular are two of the most dynamic and significant democratic powers in the world, and the United States is committed to broader, deeper, more purposeful relations with each. And we want to actively support India’s look east policy as it grows into an act east policy.

Our most complex and consequential relationships with an emerging power is, of course, with China. Some in our country see China’s progress as a threat to the United States, while some in China worry that America seeks to constrain China. In fact, we believe a thriving China is good for China, and a thriving China in – is good for America. President Obama and I have made very clear that the United States is fundamentally committed to developing a positive and cooperative relationship with China.

Expanding our areas of common interest is essential. Secretary of the Treasury Tim Geithner and I, along with our Chinese counterparts, launched the Strategic and Economic Dialogue in 2099. These are the most intensive and expansive talks ever conducted between our governments, and we look forward to traveling to Beijing this spring for the fourth round. Now, we are looking to China to intensify dialogue between civilian and military officials through the Strategic Security Dialogue so we can have an open and frank discussions on the most sensitive issues in our relationship, including maritime security and cyber security.

On the economic front, the United States and China have to work together – there is no choice – to ensure strong, sustained, balanced future global growth. U.S. firms want fair opportunities to export to China’s markets and a level playing field for competition. Chinese firms want to buy more high-tech products from us, make more investments in our country, and be accorded the same terms of access that market economies enjoy. We can work together on these objectives, but China needs to take steps to reform. In particular, we are working with China to end unfair discrimination against U.S. and other foreign companies, and we are working to protect innovative technologies, remove competition-distorting preferences. China must allow its currency to appreciate more rapidly and end the measures that disadvantage or pirate foreign intellectual property.

We believe making these changes would provide a stronger foundation for stability and growth, both for China and for everyone else. And we make a similar case when it comes to political reform. Respect for international law and a more open political system would also strengthen China’s foundation, while at the same time increasing the confidence of China’s partners.

We have made very clear our serious concerns about China’s record on human rights. When we see reports of lawyers, artists, and others who are detained or disappeared, the United States speaks up both publicly and privately. We are alarmed by recent incidents in Tibet of young people lighting themselves on fire in desperate acts of protest, as well as the continued house arrest of the Chinese lawyer Chen Guangcheng. We continue to call on China to embrace a different path.

And we remain committed to the One-China policy and the preservation of peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait. We have a strong relationship with Taiwan, an important security and economic partner, and we applaud the progress that we have seen in cross-Strait relations between China and Taiwan during the past three years and we look forward to continued improvement so there can be peaceful resolution of their differences.

To those in Asia who wonder whether the United States is really here to stay, if we can make and keep credible strategic and economic commitments and back them up with action, the answer is: Yes, we can, and yes, we will. First, because we must. Our own long-term security and prosperity depend on it. Second, because making significant investments in strengthening partnerships and institutions help us establish a system and habits of cooperation that, over time, will require less effort to sustain.

That’s what we learned from our transatlantic experiment. It took years of patient, persistent efforts to build an effective regional architecture across the Atlantic. But there is no question it was worth every political dialogue, every economic summit, every joint military exercise. For hundreds of millions of people in Europe, the United States and the transatlantic community has meant more secure and prosperous lives. If we follow that path in Asia, building on all that we have already done together, we can lift lives in even greater numbers. And this region can become an even stronger force for global progress.

In 1963, President Kennedy gave a speech about the Atlantic community in Frankfurt, Germany. Now, that was at a time when many people were convinced that it would not last. President Kennedy described an “Atlantic partnership: a system of cooperation, interdependence, and harmony, whose people can jointly meet their burdens and opportunities throughout the world.” He acknowledged that there would be difficulties, delays, doubts, and discouragement. But the process of partnership would grow stronger as nations and people devoted themselves to common tasks. He said then, “Let it not be said of this Atlantic generation that we left ideals and visions to the past. We have come too far, we have sacrificed too much, to disdain the future now.”

Well, today, on the opposite side of the world, we have faced a similar juncture. This Pacific generation has and will face difficulties. But our region is more secure and prosperous than it has ever been, and that is directly linked to the cooperation that has blossomed among us. The more we have seen each other’s well-being as beneficial to ourselves, the better things have become for all of us.

Our work may have began long ago, but we are called today with new urgency to carry it forward. And in this, the United States is fully committed. We are ready to engage and to lead, on behalf of our citizens, our neighbors and partners, and the future generations whose lives will be shaped by the work we do today together.

Thank you all very much. (Applause.)


PRN: 2011/T55-01

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/11656/air-force-acquiring-4-new-multi-role-choppers
Air Force acquiring 4 new multi-role choppers

ANILA, Philippines - The Philippine Air Force is acquiring four brand new Polish-made multi-utility helicopters by November as part of the Armed Forces of the Philippines' modernization program.

Lieutenant Colonel Ernesto Okol, Air Force spokesman, said the four PZL Sokol combat utility helicopters are the first of a batch of eight, which cost a total of P2.8 billion.

The Sokol can be used for combat, troop transport and disaster response.

Meanwhile, AFP spokesman Commodore Miguel Rodriguez said the military is still studying the possibility of purchasing a submarine.

"It’s a weapon of choice but we are tempered by our capability to procure. But this is something that the Philippine Navy is excited about," Rodriguez told reporters on Wednesday.

On Tuesday, President Benigno Aquino III welcomed the arrival of the BRP Gregorio del Pilar, a former Coast Guard cutter that is now the Philippines’ largest warship.

^^ Wow. Go for it!

better to have nothing than have those!



'HAVE NOTHING', so what will they use for COIN operations... :doh:

'HAVE NOTHING', so what will they use for COIN operations... :doh:

yes man you're right, i guess the government will resort in using "aswang"for COIN operation, some people are not thinking how a simple plane like the OV-10 is useful and effective in COIN for the meantime until a replacement for it is in the field.:ohno:

'HAVE NOTHING', so what will they use for COIN operations... :doh:

Ginagamit ba ang OV-10's sa COIN? Sa ingay pa lang, tatago na lahat mga rebelde.

Ginagamit ba ang OV-10's sa COIN? Sa ingay pa lang, tatago na lahat mga rebelde.

oo pare, hindi mo ba alam?, at sa sitwasyon ng ating gobyerno ngayon na kapos ng budget para sa Airforce, ano sa palagay mo ang magandang option pansamantala?:ohno:

oo pare, hindi mo ba alam?, at sa sitwasyon ng ating gobyerno ngayon na kapos ng budget para sa Airforce, ano sa palagay mo ang magandang option pansamantala?:ohno:

OV-10 designed talaga sa close-air support ito kaya ideal cya sa mga LIC and counter-insurgency, and the AFP modified it into a bomber,..meron mga donation ng Thailang ang iba ng mga ito,..

I think most would agree that the M346 is the better trainer/lead in aircraft .

The Gripen and F18 share the same engine family and other components the F18 tho is more expensive to run and maintain, but if the choice is between the even less economical and less reliable parts and supply situation mig 29 obviously the F18 would be better, the problem with American products are the US imposed restrictions of how when and where they can be used in action, would we have to first ask Washingtons permission before using them to strike at a certain larger and hostile nations forces in disputed areas ? .

Obviously for now there is little choice .

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Here's a couple of more ships that could be available for the Phillippine navy if they are able to negotiate for it quickly enough before other countries secure them or whatnot ... .

The German navy is going to decomission two fast attack missile boats of the Gepard class and two minehunters of the Kulmbach class in 1st quarter 2012 as more of their newer corvette class ships are delivered, these boats are still pretty good and west German built Indonesia i think still has some former east German ships in service .

These ships could be very useful in the Spratleys .

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3587/3382321452_63ece1d1d4.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3587/3382321452_63ece1d1d4.jpg
Type 143A Gepard class

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Firing RAM anti air missile

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gepard_class_fast_attack_craft

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Kulmbach class mine hunter

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/kulmbachclassminehun/images/5-Image-05.jpg
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/kulmbachclassminehun/kulmbachclassminehun5.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulmbach_class_mine_hunter

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/11656/air-force-acquiring-4-new-multi-role-choppers
Air Force acquiring 4 new multi-role choppers

ANILA, Philippines - The Philippine Air Force is acquiring four brand new Polish-made multi-utility helicopters by November as part of the Armed Forces of the Philippines' modernization program.

Lieutenant Colonel Ernesto Okol, Air Force spokesman, said the four PZL Sokol combat utility helicopters are the first of a batch of eight, which cost a total of P2.8 billion.

The Sokol can be used for combat, troop transport and disaster response.

Meanwhile, AFP spokesman Commodore Miguel Rodriguez said the military is still studying the possibility of purchasing a submarine.

"It’s a weapon of choice but we are tempered by our capability to procure. But this is something that the Philippine Navy is excited about," Rodriguez told reporters on Wednesday.



On Tuesday, President Benigno Aquino III welcomed the arrival of the BRP Gregorio del Pilar, a former Coast Guard cutter that is now the Philippines’ largest warship.

Wow good news a new ship and new helicopters....

*IMO* mas ok na padamihin natin muna ang warships bago ang submarine...

Type 143A Gepard class <-- looks like this ship can withstand the waves in Palawan. :)

Wow good news a new ship and new helicopters....

*IMO* mas ok na padamihin natin muna ang warships bago ang submarine...

i agree with you and also fully equip them. PN can very well run ships but i think they need more knowledge and training when it comes to submarines. Philippines never has one before and even know. PN surely know what is best for them to deliver their mandate effectively.

better to have nothing than have those!

Then sign up in the military. They need someone like you that would personally drop bombs in the MILF camp during their operations. :lol:

Malaysia Is selling (and will be retiring they're Mig-29s) I hope AFP does not buy it they are a spratly's rival claimant.

If AFP does get F-18 hornets. It would have to be a second hand. There's no such thing as a brand new F-18 they are not in Production anymore.

Whats in production is the Super Hornet. A much larger much more capable multirole fighter but the price tag is way beyond a normal Hornet.


Below is a picture of Australian RAAF super hornet above and a normal Australian RAAF F-18 Hornet below
http://www.ausairpower.net/000-Super-Bug-585_62.jpg

I live 30mins from an airbase and I have seen them a few times flying around with C-130s and C-5 Galaxy a couple of times. Since the ordered F-35s will be delayed some more, RAAF have ordered more super hornets.

The Super Hornet is fitted with a new AN/ALQ-124 Integrated Defensive Countermeasures system (IDECM) EWSP system, including the ALE-50 towed decoy, more capable than the legacy package in US or RAAF 'Classic' Hornets. There is thus little commonality between the Super Hornet and 'Classic' Hornet variants.

http://www.ausairpower.net/russian-aams.png

Germany has started retiring Tornado ECR. They are excellent proven multirole fighter. Special for Bombing raid They can carry heavy load of various weapons/bombs/ammunition but they are not quite as fast as an F-18 or Mig29 both of which easily pass mach 2 in high altitudes.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/AGM-88_and_AIM-9_on_Tornado.jpg/751px-AGM-88_and_AIM-9_on_Tornado.jpg
Tornado ECR (s/n 46+54) armed with an AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missile and a jamming pod attached to the wings, and an AGM-88 HARM air-to-ground missile attached to the underside of the fuselage. Its one of the German Air Force's premier combat aircraft wings. The Tornado ECR is a specialized aircraft to detect and attack surface radars and surface-to-air missile launchers.

...........but ofcourse brand new regardless of what aircraft type is always better than second hand so I hope AFP studies this well.

T-50 vs M346 light attack/fighter/trainer..........and then decide which multirole fighter they can buy and also what they can afford. Do they want single engine (JAS Gripens, Eurofighter, Rafeles etc) all of which is way beyond the price tag of an F-16. or twin engine Super-Hornets,Mig-29, Sukhou Su-30. Budget allocation is another factor.

anyway these dreams wont be any time soon. OR CAN IT?

oo pare, hindi mo ba alam?, at sa sitwasyon ng ating gobyerno ngayon na kapos ng budget para sa Airforce, ano sa palagay mo ang magandang option pansamantala?:ohno:

"ATTACK HELICOPTERS", hindi yung pinaplanong CUH na walang combat capabilities!

"ATTACK HELICOPTERS", hindi yung pinaplanong CUH na walang combat capabilities!

yun nga ang problema ni CUH nga mukhang madedelay pa, wala talaga tayong pera, kaya nga wishful thinking na lang tayo.

Eurofighter Typhoon and Rafale are twin-engined combat planes. The Tornado would have made for a formidable bomber and maritime strike platform for the PAF, the only problem would probably be the maintenance cost of keeping them and considering their age,sooner or later metal fatigue on the airframe will show up.

Eurofighter Typhoon and Rafale are twin-engined combat planes. The Tornado would have made for a formidable bomber and maritime strike platform for the PAF, the only problem would probably be the maintenance cost of keeping them and considering their age,sooner or later metal fatigue on the airframe will show up.

IMO, if those infirmities only show-up, no problems! We can always relieve those metal fatigues. The problem is, you will never be able to see these future failure points until it shows, catastrophically sometimes! A strict maintenance program can catch these failure modes but can the agency keep up with the costs? Or are they good enough in faithfully doing needed maintenance? More questions than answers, I suppose.

simple lang yan boy, atat ka agad eh pwede mo naman gamitin ang google!

T-50 = trainer
JAS Gripen = fighter

so baket mo nasabi na isa pang magandang choice ang JAS Gripen bukod sa T-50 eh magkaiba naman talaga sila, getz? ang unang kukunin ng PAF ay 6 na trainers (LIFT = lead-in fighter trainer) at ang choices nila ay T-50 at M-346 hindi T-50 lang bago sila bumili ng isang squadron or 12 fighters (MRF = multi-role fighter) at ang choices nila ay F/A-18 at MiG-29.

hanapin ko pa yung info sa jane's military news tungkol dito.

lol! sinabi ko ba na mas maganda ang jas gripen? paki-quote nga!

Teka lang, bakit hindi mo pa iniexplain ang differences nila sa tagalog? don't tell me hanggang yabang ka lang. Paki-explain mo nga in tagalog as you have stated before!

lol! sinabi ko ba na mas maganda ang jas gripen? paki-quote nga!

Teka lang, bakit hindi mo pa iniexplain ang differences nila sa tagalog? don't tell me hanggang yabang ka lang. Paki-explain mo nga in tagalog as you have stated before!

ewan ko sayo, ikaw na ang may problema sa comprehensyon! basta tandaan...

T-50 = trainer o pangsanay sa mga pilotong magpapalipad ng fighter
JAS Gripen = fighter o panlaban sa gera o depensa pamhimpapawid

malinaw na malinaw ang kaibahan ng dalawang eroplano!


Another good choice would be the Saab Gripen, they're multi-role and therefore, capable of a combination of missions, whether recon, interception, fighter/bomber and similar other functions. From what I know the standard PAF definition of a squadron is 6 planes, but I could be wrong.

anong hindi mo sinabi? mula sa post#585 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=85388132&postcount=585), ano ba tagalog ng "another good choice" ehem

Please use the PM feature of the forum if you want to do in-depth discussions on details and specs between you two. Let's move on, please.

IMO, if those infirmities only show-up, no problems! We can always relieve those metal fatigues. The problem is, you will never be able to see these future failure points until it shows, catastrophically sometimes! A strict maintenance program can catch these failure modes but can the agency keep up with the costs? Or are they good enough in faithfully doing needed maintenance? More questions than answers, I suppose.

yes, In a way Its kind of like the case with our retired F-5 Freedom Fighters. They are (overall) more capable than PAF's current lead in fighter S-211. F-5 have way more speed then S211, better range and carry slighty more weapons and way more maneuverable. But many factors such as higher maintenace, airframe fatigue, and fuel consumption meant they had to be retired.

I hope PAF will be ready for maintenance cost for the "so called" plan to get trainers and then eventually fighters.

Philippines rejects new Chinese territorial claim

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/philippines-rejects-chinese-territorial-claim-050805689.html

MANILA, Philippines (AP) — China has claimed new territory less than 50 miles (80 kilometers) from a Philippine province, boosting tensions over potentially resource-rich areas of the South China Sea, but the Philippines has dismissed the claim, an official said Monday.

Energy Undersecretary Jose Layug Jr. told The Associated Press that China protested a Philippine plan to explore for oil and gas in the area in July. It is the closest point in waters off the main Philippine islands that China has claimed in the increasingly tense territorial disputes.

Beijing has been asserting its territorial claims more aggressively as its economic and diplomatic muscle has grown. Its new claims are likely to bolster Philippine resolve to seek a U.N. ruling on the long-simmering disputes, which involve China, the Philippines and four other claimants.

Among the areas being contested is the Spratlys, a chain of up to 190 islands, reefs, coral outcrops and banks believed to be sitting atop large deposits of oil and natural gas, which many fear could be Asia's next flash point for conflict.

The issue is expected to be discussed Wednesday with visiting U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

The two new areas being claimed by China are not part of the Spratlys, Layug said.

The Chinese Embassy delivered a protest to the Philippine government on July 4 after Manila invited foreign companies to bid for the right to explore for oil and gas in 15 areas. Chinese officials opposed the inclusion of "areas 3 and 4" northwest of Palawan province, claiming they fall under China's "indisputable sovereignty," according to a Philippine government report seen by the AP.

Palawan province, about 510 miles (820 kilometers) southwest of Manila, faces the South China Sea, which is claimed entirely by China.

China asked the Philippines to cancel oil exploration in the two areas, the nearest of which is just 49 miles (79 kilometers) northwest of Palawan.

Layug said the Philippine government told China the areas are located well within Philippine waters.

"The areas that we're offering for bidding are all within Philippine territory, Layug said. "There is no doubt about that."

The two areas are more than 500 miles (800 kilometers) from the nearest Chinese coast, Layug said.

About 50 foreign investors, including some of the world's largest oil companies, have expressed interest in exploring for oil and gas in the Philippines, half of them in the new areas being claimed by China, because of strong indications of oil there, he said.

None of the prospective foreign companies has expressed concern over the territorial disputes, he said.

"Of course their issue would be ensuring security and the support of the Philippine government when they are awarded the contract," he said.

In March, two Chinese vessels tried to drive away a Philippine oil exploration ship from Reed Bank, another area west of Palawan. Two Philippine air force planes were deployed but the Chinese vessels had disappeared by the time they reached the submerged bank.

The Philippines protested the incident, which it said was one of several intrusions by China into its territorial waters in the first half of the year. Vietnam has also accused Chinese vessels of trying to sabotage oil exploration in its territorial waters this year, sparking rare anti-China protests in Vietnam.

A British company behind the exploration at Reed Bank found very strong indications of natural gas and plans to start drilling in about six months, Layug said.

President Benigno Aquino III plans to discuss a Philippine proposal at an Association of Southeast Asian Nations summit this week in Bali, Indonesia, to segregate disputed South China Sea areas so coastal states can freely make use of non-disputed areas. China has opposed the plan.

Aquino's government also plans to bring the territorial disputes before the United Nations for possible arbitration.

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Gutom na naman si "Big Brother"(ika ng ni Noynoy) :bash:

yes, In a way Its kind of like the case with our retired F-5 Freedom Fighters. They are (overall) more capable than PAF's current lead in fighter S-211. F-5 have way more speed then S211, better range and carry slighty more weapons and way more maneuverable. But many factors such as higher maintenace, airframe fatigue, and fuel consumption meant they had to be retired.

I hope PAF will be ready for maintenance cost for the "so called" plan to get trainers and then eventually fighters.

The S-211 is not a real fighter jet in the 1st place compared to the F-5 because the S-211 is just a lead-in fighter trainer plus light attack plane but because the PAF didn't have an immediate replacement to the F-5 after the government failed to signed the Memorandum of Agreement with Israel for the acquisition of IAI KFIR C7/C10 models, they shifted the S-211 from combat pilot training to air defense.

The SIAI Marchetti S211 supplied by Aermacchi is a military jet pilot trainer in operation with the air forces of Haiti, the Philippines and Singapore. S211A, the latest high-performance version of the aircraft, has full acrobatic capability and can be armed with a range of weapon systems.

The aircraft provides excellent flight performance in the mission role and in acrobatic demonstrations. With a load factor of +7 to Ð3.5g, a maximum speed of 414 KTAS (knots true air speed) at an altitude of 25,000ft and a rate of climb of 5,100ft per minute, the aircraft provides military pilot training in a true jet environment.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/s211a/

http://64.19.142.13/www.airforce-technology.com/projects/s211a/images/s211a5.jpg
The aircraft has five hardpoints: two under each wing and one under the centre fuselage. The hardpoints can carry a range of weapon systems.

"ATTACK HELICOPTERS", hindi yung pinaplanong CUH na walang combat capabilities!

The W-3A Sokol CUH that the PAF ordered have combat capabilities such as machine guns and rocket launchers. The PAF also has attack helicopters which will soon be night-capable!

The W-3A Sokol CUH that the PAF ordered have combat capabilities such as machine guns and rocket launchers. The PAF also has attack helicopters which will soon be night-capable!

I tried surfing the net for data and it seems W-3A Sokol is a civil aviation version and does not have combat capabilities.

Or did you mean to say W-3W/ W-3WA Sokol, which is the armed version, with twin 23mm GSz-23L cannon and four pylons for weapons?
here (http://wiki.scramble.nl/index.php/PZL_W-3_Sok%C3%B3%C5%82)
If I may, based on the above-posted web link what is your comment on the military version W-3PL Sokol descriptions?

I tried surfing the net for data and it seems W-3A Sokol is a civil aviation version and does not have combat capabilities.

Or did you mean to say W-3W/ W-3WA Sokol, which is the armed version, with twin 23mm GSz-23L cannon and four pylons for weapons?
here (http://wiki.scramble.nl/index.php/PZL_W-3_Sok%C3%B3%C5%82)
If I may, based on the above-posted web link what is your comment on the military version W-3PL Sokol descriptions?

A combat utility helicopter is like the Huey helicopters that our PAF currently operates, which are armed with a side machine gun and sometimes with rocket launchers. The Sokol helicopters that the PAF ordered will be the modern CUH version because the machine gun/s will be nose-mounted and remotely-controlled plus 4 pylons for rocket launchers, bombs, fuel tanks, or guided missiles (I wish!).

The W-3PL is the Głuszec which is the night capable attack helicopter variant.

A combat utility helicopter is like the Huey helicopters that our PAF currently operates, which are armed with a side machine gun and sometimes with rocket launchers. The Sokol helicopters that the PAF ordered will be the modern CUH version because the machine gun/s will be nose-mounted and remotely-controlled plus 4 pylons for rocket launchers, bombs, fuel tanks, or guided missiles (I wish!).

The W-3PL is the Głuszec which is the night capable attack helicopter variant.

I hope what you're saying is the correct variant that the PAF is pursuing! I meant "W-3WA Sokol", no W-3A Sokol.