Please don't put words in my mouth, I've never said western media is the only tool that plays on people's emotion. It is however, the most influential.

And the example you gave about Obama is kind of a moot point. They are as a matter of fact already in a state of war. Americans are mired in a 2 front wars at the same time with a third one a grim possibility. But keep in mind that when it comes to a confrontation between nuclear powers, both will try to avoid escalating the conflict as much as possible. The ruling parties in both countries know this all too well, it is however most worrisome to the "pawns" in the event of conflict.

But for the ruling elites in the major countries, war will always be one of the main lubricant that garner the votes, distract the shortcomings at home, enhance military industries which powers the economy and generate scientific research.

Lastly, it is good if you take a light hearted approach to these discussions. But please refrain from making assumptions before it is proven such as me being a Chinese citizen or that I'm defending Chinese media.

Regards.



I didn't put words in your mouth. I told you to comprehend what I originally meant: You are essentially blaming the Western media for hyping it up as if Chinese media doesn't exaggerate things, to the point of warning neighbors of "cannons and fire" as well.
As if the West is the only country worried about the PRC's belligerance. What about Philippine and Vietnamese media, are they scaremongers as well, copying the Western media exagg on Chinese intrusions??

Pawns to the conflict? Please don't say next that the Philippines and Vietnam are willing to be pawns in a conflict?

I know about the ruling elites.Now tell me how much do you know American mentality right now? YOu really think they could stomach another war right now even as Iraq draws down? and it's not even a complete drawdown. Even Proxy wars will not escape the eye of Western journalism especially investigative journalists.


But What was America doing during the 90s? Oh that's right the Gulf War I and Taiwan Strait crisis among things.
We need a combat ready navy in case another Gulf war happens --Clinton:lol:

Even countries that don't have active wars/enemies need a constantly combat ready navy already. Unless you expect their duties to be singing Karaoke (like our navy:lol:) to the pirates and smugglers etc., and hang hollies and call that a navy? A navy is born to be a maritime Force. Otherwise better just hire fisherman to watch the coast on boats:lol:

Just kidding, though. Our navy doesn't really spend time dreaming of being Karaoke superstars. But they might not say no either:lol:

here the new United States stealth drone RQ-170 hacked by Iran and make it landed on Iranian soil.

Doesn't mean anything .

Doesn't mean anything .

the latest US technology fall into the hand of Iran doesnt mean anything???right:nuts:

some of UAV expert even says that drone is the yeti of UAV because of it stealhty features and also not so many picture of it. now Iranian tv displaying it explicitly

I didn't put words in your mouth. I told you to comprehend what I originally meant: You are essentially blaming the Western media for hyping it up as if Chinese media doesn't exaggerate things, to the point of warning neighbors of "cannons and fire" as well.
As if the West is the only country worried about the PRC's belligerance. What about Philippine and Vietnamese media, are they scaremongers as well, copying the Western media exagg on Chinese intrusions??

Here again you are trying to accuse me of thing which i didn't say. Did I say Chinese media do not exaggerate? In fact I've been following Western media and Chinese media, and always the truth is somewhere in the middle regarding China. "Cannons and fire", I hope you didn't mean the article by Global Times : http://www.globaltimes.cn/NEWS/tabid/99/ID/677717/Time-to-teach-those-around-South-China-Sea-a-lesson.aspx

1. It is an opinion piece and no where does it reflect actual Chinese policies.
2. Global Times = Fox News = Russia Today, nuff said

Media sells well by hyping up and exaggeration simple as that. The China threat is a blooming money tree which is blossoming right now regardless of whether China have the intention or the capability to invade.

I know about the ruling elites.Now tell me how much do you know American mentality right now? YOu really think they could stomach another war right now even as Iraq draws down? and it's not even a complete drawdown. Even Proxy wars will not escape the eye of Western journalism especially investigative journalists.


But What was America doing during the 90s? Oh that's right the Gulf War I and Taiwan Strait crisis among things.
We need a combat ready navy in case another Gulf war happens --Clinton:lol:

Even countries that don't have active wars/enemies need a constantly combat ready navy already. Unless you expect their duties to be singing Karaoke (like our navy:lol:) to the pirates and smugglers etc., and hang hollies and call that a navy? A navy is born to be a maritime Force. Otherwise better just hire fisherman to watch the coast on boats:lol:

The Americans are in a state of perpetual war since post 9-11. "War on Terror", Afghanistan and Iraq to name a few major ones. I will not underestimate America's appetite for war when it comes down to countries which are easily subdued or poses no direct threat to US herself. They are running a military budget more than the rest in the top 10 combined and military industry such as theirs is a major component of their economy which generate income and jobs. Big companies such as Lockheed and Boeing comes to mind for example.

Proxy war will not escape the eyes of journalism, yes. Every major event will not escape the attention of journalism, that is after all their job. But in geopolitical sense, it is always a better strategy to put your proxies at risk than yourself first. Especially when your opponent have a real capability to strike back hard. Vietnam war and Korean War for example is a proxy between the Soviets and America.

As a matter of fact, we are in agreement that a country's military must be ready for every scenario, hence I've said that Hu's practically stating the obvious by asking the PLAN to prepare for war which is immediately spun by some media to highlight the China Threat perception.

we have 1 cruiser. it takes one torpedo to sink that. then back to wala na naman ang naval defenses natin. all it tales is aerial bombing, ubos kaagad ang bases natin.

We don't have a cruiser and only 3 navies in the world has cruisers but the Philippine Navy is not one of them. We only have 2 frigates, wherein 1 is pretending to be a frigate.

^^ kahit makack pa ng iran yan... just think of the US reserves... very huge...

the latest US technology fall into the hand of Iran doesnt mean anything???right

some of UAV expert even says that drone is the yeti of UAV because of it stealhty features and also not so many picture of it. now Iranian tv displaying it explicitly

It doesn't mean anything because 1 Iran did not develop any original technology to do what it asserts to have done but probably in such case used existing western technologies, 2nd this does not prove your assertions regarding the quality of both technologies .

Its now being investigate by the US Defense Department and CIA. The UAV is actually a mini resemblance of one of its stealth bomber developed in the early 80's. Crucial blow actually, secret weapons captured by the iranian.

http://i39.tinypic.com/vhg6ra.jpg

The Phillippine defence budget has actually gone down as a percentage of gdp since marcos declared martial law and it's been down there ever since, this is why altho corruption exists the absence of it would still not lead to an improvement of the budget to a point where the country could afford modern defences it's just too small .

It needs to at least be raised to around 2,5 % such a rate would see a totally different Phillippine armed forces .

The Phillippine defence budget has actually gone down as a percentage of gdp since marcos declared martial law and it's been down there ever since, this is why altho corruption exists the absence of it would still not lead to an improvement of the budget to a point where the country could afford modern defences it's just too small .

It needs to at least be raised to around 2,5 % such a rate would see a totally different Phillippine armed forces .

I'd beg to disagree on some points there. Government planners are just too lazy and blind to even look at the state of things in our armed forces, that is. If it were a normally functioning government we have here, allocations for various line agencies should get an equitable amount of budget. Look at the budget items for 2012. See how government divvy up public monies! All designed to get their political party re-elected in the coming elections, how else can you see it?

It should have been "the need determines the amount of allocation/s". They could be pretending not to see and rely on alms to provide for the requirements of the AFP. And there are a bunch of leeches there! (I am very much of the belief that my siggy says it all.)

President Aquino bares wish: Fighter jets from US just like Indonesia


http://globalnation.inquirer.net/20645/president-aquino-bares-wish-fighter-jets-from-us-just-like-indonesia

President Aquino bares wish: Fighter jets from US just like Indonesia
By Norman Bordadora
Philippine Daily Inquirer
7:16 pm | Saturday, December 10th, 2011
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President Benigno Aquino III
MANILA, Philippines—President Benigno Aquino III will ask US President Barack Obama for fighter jets when they meet, probably in April next year.
Mr. Aquino, a member of the Philippine Air Force (PAF) reserve force, made the remarks in his speech before officers and personnel during opening ceremonies for the PAF Invitational Shootfest and firing range blessing at Villamor Airbase on Saturday.
“We went to Bali, Indonesia, recently and as we were leaving for the Philippines, we saw at their airport three F-16s parked and they would be given two squadrons more by our American friends,” Mr. Aquino said in an impromptu speech.
“I said, this looks rather equitible. Two squadrons for them, one ship for us,” he added in jest.
The President said he would remind Obama of the strategic partnership between the Philippines and the United States.
Obama has invited President Aquino to go on a state visit to the US next year.
“I think that when I and President Obama meet next year, perhaps around April, I will remind him of our strategic partnership. They might remember that we don’t have a fighter jet here,” Mr. Aquino said.
The Philippines recently acquired from the United States a Hamilton-class cutter and has named the erstwhile US Coast Guard vessel the BRP Gregorio del Pilar.
“The Navy will be getting—I am told, I have been assured—our second Hamilton class cutter sometime next year,” the President said.

President Aquino bares wish: Fighter jets from US just like Indonesia


http://globalnation.inquirer.net/20645/president-aquino-bares-wish-fighter-jets-from-us-just-like-indonesia

As far as the article says, the key phrase is "ma-malimos tayo" sa US! Wala namang masama dyan, kaya lang meron tayong mga kababayan na a-ayaw kapag US na ang pag-uusapan! (pero mahilig ng mga gamit na tate)

^^ nothing seems wrong on that idea...

W0W... sana lahat na ng hammilton kunin na naten... mga 6 pa ata ung reserves ng US with a total of 12 cutters...

I'd beg to disagree on some points there.

I fail to see the relevance of your comment to mine sorry .

kailan kaya tayo magkakaroon ng ganito? :D

http://i39.tinypic.com/2ivmz68.jpg

You Have Never Seen So Many F-16s Lined Up In Your Life

Unless you're part of the United States Air Force, you have never seen something like this: Twenty-seven F-16 Fighting Falcons taxying down the runway, fully armed and ready for immediate take off and battle.

No, the aliens are not arriving and China hasn't launched any missiles (yet). The photo, taken by Staff Sgt. Rasheen Douglas, shows an "elephant walk" formation of Falcons from the 8th and 419th Fighter Wings.

It's the final part of an exercise designed to demonstrate the capability of the airmen at Kunsan Air Base, South Korea, "to quickly and safely prepare aircraft for a wartime mission."

source (http://gizmodo.com/5866971/you-have-never-seen-so-many-f+16-lined-up-in-your-life)

^^ talking about the numbers? well, meron na tayong ganyan karaming fighters before, eh kaso ginawang pangshopping abroad ng mga hinayupak na heneral yung perang pambili eh :lol:

^^ in late 1950s PAF has a number of 100+ fighter aircrafts mostly the P-51 Mustang but since they are decommissioned and another technology took place... in short di tayo nakasabay.. anak ng tokwa...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/PAF_P-51_Mustang.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/PAF_P-51_Mustang.jpg

Noon tayo ang naiintercept mga russian planes pa.. Ngayon tayo pa ang binubugaw ng mga stinky chinks na mga yan
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/382802_243782652355082_195218547211493_669762_943435764_n.jpg

Gusto ko yung symbol ng PAF. Parang yung sa Royal Air Force at US Air Force. Russia uses a red star. Japan a red dot. What else? uhm.... hahah! tama na to. Wala paring pag-asa ang PAF sa kakarampot na budget. :D

^^ it's called a "Roundel", not a symbol.

^^ in late 1950s PAF has a number of 100+ fighter aircrafts mostly the P-51 Mustang but since they are decommissioned and another technology took place... in short di tayo nakasabay.. anak ng tokwa...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/PAF_P-51_Mustang.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/PAF_P-51_Mustang.jpg

Saan ito?

^^ it's called a "Roundel", not a symbol.

Ow. I stand corrected pala. :)

Saan ito?

Sa phil airforce museum sa villamor

Noon tayo ang naiintercept mga russian planes pa.. Ngayon tayo pa ang binubugaw ng mga stinky chinks na mga yan
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/382802_243782652355082_195218547211493_669762_943435764_n.jpg


nakakatawa kasing isipin. Kung mgpatalsik tayo ng mga kano sa Pinas.. akala mo kayang maging dependent ng Pinas in terms of Military Defences... anong nangyari sa bansa natin ngayon... isa malaking kalokohan na...tsk.

^^ matagal ko ng sinabi yan... done is done, past is past... wala ka ng magagawa.. nakaalis na sila... pero isa lng masasabi ko, kung nad2 pa yung mga kano na yan... di tayo binubully ng mga chino na yan...

nakakatawa kasing isipin. Kung mgpatalsik tayo ng mga kano sa Pinas.. akala mo kayang maging dependent ng Pinas in terms of Military Defences... anong nangyari sa bansa natin ngayon... isa malaking kalokohan na...tsk.

puro tiwali mga opisyal kasi...nagpapaka profession para maging ano..masyadong magmagaling:ohno:


moderno lang mga sakanila sasakyan nila...hay ang sasarap ipabangga sa rumaragasang locomotive..kasama sila :bash:

^^Ang sisihin ninyo ay yung mga pilipinong sumuporta sa mga aquino at sa mga taong nag implement ng 1987 constitution. Sila ang mga totoong taksil sa bansa natin at hindi yung mga taong sinipa nila kahit na gaga pa at naging pokpok pa si imelda, mas matinding kasalanan parin ang ginawa ng mga kamaganak ni kris aquino at ng nanay nya. At sila din ang naghumpisang sumipa sa mga amerikano na wala naman silang matinding plano kung paano papalitan at palalakasin ang AFP capabilities natin nun.

^^Ang sisihin ninyo ay yung mga pilipinong sumuporta sa mga aquino at sa mga taong nag implement ng 1987 constitution. Sila ang mga totoong taksil sa bansa natin at hindi yung mga taong sinipa nila kahit na gaga pa at naging pokpok pa si imelda, mas matinding kasalanan parin ang ginawa ng mga kamaganak ni kris aquino at ng nanay nya. At sila din ang naghumpisang sumipa sa mga amerikano na wala naman silang matinding plano kung paano papalitan at palalakasin ang AFP capabilities natin nun.
Tama Tama!!! wala na dapat Oligarhcs at pamilyang dilaw na nakakadismaya...sa mga susunod na generations..

hanggat nandyan si abnoy at hindi lang administrasyon nua nakakainis araw araw tayo bwinibwisit ng mga palabas ni tetay..umaga pa lang hay..:nuts::bash:

^^Ang sisihin ninyo ay yung mga pilipinong sumuporta sa mga aquino at sa mga taong nag implement ng 1987 constitution. Sila ang mga totoong taksil sa bansa natin at hindi yung mga taong sinipa nila kahit na gaga pa at naging pokpok pa si imelda, mas matinding kasalanan parin ang ginawa ng mga kamaganak ni kris aquino at ng nanay nya. At sila din ang naghumpisang sumipa sa mga amerikano na wala naman silang matinding plano kung paano papalitan at palalakasin ang AFP capabilities natin nun.

OO nga may kasabihan nga na Noong panahon ni marcos, si marcos at pamilya lang ang magnanakaw, nung pumasok ang cory aquino admin lahat naging magnanakaw mula bgy tanod hanggang sa palasyo pwera lang si cory.

We cant do anything to stop the 1987 constitution from being ratified at that time since the phils is under a revolutionary govt then. Cory aquino holds absolute power. Sayang hindi sya marunong gamitin yung power na yun para baguhin ang kabulukan ng lipunan, inasa lang nya sa mga alipores nya ang mga trabaho. Ang mga alipores naman nya ay parang mga gutom na gutom na hayop na nagpasasa sa kaban ng bayan.

I fail to see the relevance of your comment to mine sorry .
When you posted figures re budget, I proposed the correct way on how budgets are supposed to be done, right there. Please read the phrase italized and in bold! The key word is "equitable", not some figure/s because the government's capacity to fund all projects is not that good. If you are one of the agency heads, you can't expect to get what you propose. It is always almost lower than what is proposed, IMO.

President Aquino bares wish: Fighter jets from US just like Indonesia


http://globalnation.inquirer.net/20645/president-aquino-bares-wish-fighter-jets-from-us-just-like-indonesia

Ok lang yan. Christmas naman eh. Ninong naman daw natin si Uncle Sam eh sabi ni Penoy. Actually Matagal na nga tayong inaanak eh. Kahit belated na Aguinaldo, este regalo. Basta may regalo tayo galing kay Ninong.

:D Here we go again.

^^Ang sisihin ninyo ay yung mga pilipinong sumuporta sa mga aquino at sa mga taong nag implement ng 1987 constitution. Sila ang mga totoong taksil sa bansa natin at hindi yung mga taong sinipa nila kahit na gaga pa at naging pokpok pa si imelda, mas matinding kasalanan parin ang ginawa ng mga kamaganak ni kris aquino at ng nanay nya. At sila din ang naghumpisang sumipa sa mga amerikano na wala naman silang matinding plano kung paano papalitan at palalakasin ang AFP capabilities natin nun.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Ang alam ko mag papalabas sans si Cory ng national referendum nun nung binobotohan yung bases. Tapos ni reject ng mga dirty dozen dahil hindi daw constitutional. Ano yun pakitang tao lang nya dahil sinalva sya ng Kano sa mga coup di ba?

Pero anyway, kung nagkaroon ng referendum nun tiyak nand2 pa yung mga kano. Sinusubaybayan ng mama ko yung news dati at may 4000 lang na Anti vs almost 6k na supporters sa final rally.

Ok lang yan. Christmas naman eh. Ninong naman daw natin si Uncle Sam eh sabi ni Penoy. Actually Matagal na nga tayong inaanak eh. Kahit belated na Aguinaldo, este regalo. Basta may regalo tayo galing kay Ninong.

:D Here we go again.

ww2 ba o cold war equipment ito? Sana naman kahit gulf war naman. LOL:lol:

I didn't put words in your mouth. I told you to comprehend what I originally meant: You are essentially blaming the Western media for hyping it up as if Chinese media doesn't exaggerate things, to the point of warning neighbors of "cannons and fire" as well.
As if the West is the only country worried about the PRC's belligerance. What about Philippine and Vietnamese media, are they scaremongers as well, copying the Western media exagg on Chinese intrusions??

Pawns to the conflict? Please don't say next that the Philippines and Vietnam are willing to be pawns in a conflict?

I know about the ruling elites.Now tell me how much do you know American mentality right now? YOu really think they could stomach another war right now even as Iraq draws down? and it's not even a complete drawdown. Even Proxy wars will not escape the eye of Western journalism especially investigative journalists.


But What was America doing during the 90s? Oh that's right the Gulf War I and Taiwan Strait crisis among things.
We need a combat ready navy in case another Gulf war happens --Clinton:lol:

Even countries that don't have active wars/enemies need a constantly combat ready navy already. Unless you expect their duties to be singing Karaoke (like our navy:lol:) to the pirates and smugglers etc., and hang hollies and call that a navy? A navy is born to be a maritime Force. Otherwise better just hire fisherman to watch the coast on boats:lol:

Just kidding, though. Our navy doesn't really spend time dreaming of being Karaoke superstars. But they might not say no either:lol:

Hayaan mo na, akala nya kasi mahilig magCNN at BBC ang mga Pilipino. Hindi nya alam ang ABS CBN, GMA, TV 5, Net 25, ...:lol::lol:

Tignan mo din posts nya, newly registered. Trollolololol yan

:D may mga pektyurs naman yung kaibigan nyong bagong salta na di tulad natin. Galing siyang Mali siya at laki sa pamilyang intsik. :lol:
nakakatawa kasing isipin. Kung mgpatalsik tayo ng mga kano sa Pinas.. akala mo kayang maging dependent ng Pinas in terms of Military Defences... anong nangyari sa bansa natin ngayon... isa malaking kalokohan na...tsk.it was a Leftist dominated Senate back then. Prominent in the news for the abrogation of the US Bases Treaty were the names of then Senators Joseph Ejercito Estrada and Nikki Coseteng.

it was a Leftist dominated Senate back then. Prominent in the news for the abrogation of the US Bases Treaty were the names of then Senators Joseph Ejercito Estrada and Nikki Coseteng.

The irony is that some of the people who voted against the bases are the people pointing to the US responsibility to the Philippines under the MDT now that the Middle Kingdom is doing a la Imperial Japan stunt.

Sneaky, sneaky senate. But, gotta give them props for that -- removing the bases and crying "nationalism" while not abrogating the MDT

:lol::lol:

In fairness, nabola nila mga Kano :lol::lol:

so ibalik na lang natin ang US base tapos lagay natin don sa spratly or mindanao area. and i hope we could invite also Darwin :lol: our country really needs to wipe out all the pests on these area para tuloy tuloy na developments dito.

The irony is that some of the people who voted against the bases are the people pointing to the US responsibility to the Philippines under the MDT now that the Middle Kingdom is doing a la Imperial Japan stunt.

Sneaky, sneaky senate. But, gotta give them props for that -- removing the bases and crying "nationalism" while not abrogating the MDT

:lol::lol:

In fairness, nabola nila mga Kano :lol::lol:

Lagot din sila pagnagka WWIII if ever.:lol: Habang nagsilikas slang lahat sa US at Canada, maiinis na naman yung mga tao sa kanila. Baka magulat na lang sila si Hilary na ang nakaupo sa Malakanyang:lol: Di hamak matutuloy yung lalo na pag si Mercato ang humakot sa mga tao:lol: Guberndor Hilary ba, Mercato o si Arnie gusto mo?:lol::lol:

Lagot din sila pagnagka WWIII if ever.:lol: Habang nagsilikas slang lahat sa US at Canada, maiinis na naman yung mga tao sa kanila. Baka magulat na lang sila si Hilary na ang nakaupo sa Malakanyang:lol: Di hamak matutuloy yung lalo na pag si Mercato ang humakot sa mga tao:lol: Guberndor Hilary ba, Mercato o si Arnie gusto mo?:lol::lol:

Ahahahaha. Governor-General of the Philippine Islands Territory?

That is assuming the US would win, but if China wins, it's gonna be Philippine Islands, People's Republic of Greater China :lol::lol::lol: Governor General: Joma Sison :lol:

Ahahahaha. Governor-General of the Philippine Islands Territory?

That is assuming the US would win, but if China wins, it's gonna be Philippine Islands, People's Republic of Greater China :lol::lol::lol: Governor General: Satur Ocampo: fixed:lol::lol:

Tutol si Mercato dyan. Ngayon pa lang gusto sana nyang humiwalay at maging British Commonwealth ang Visayas. Este US State pala.:lol:

In fairness, may bright side din yung PI PRC:lol:. Lahat ng buwaya, pusher etc ay mabibitay. At bibigyan nila ng chastity belt na bakal yung Catholic Church:lol:

Tutol si Mercato dyan. Ngayon pa lang gusto sana nyang humiwalay at maging British Commonwealth ang Visayas. Este US State pala.:lol:

In fairness, may bright side din yung PI PRC:lol:. Lahat ng buwaya, pusher etc ay mabibitay. At bibigyan nila ng chastity belt na bakal yung Catholic Church:lol:

Spanish "commonwealth". LOL

Kung sabagay, mababawasan mga masasmang elemento kapag naging PRC territory ang Pinas. Hahahaha.

Kung US territory ulit, dudumugin tayo ng mga illegal immigrants :lol::lol::lol:

Spanish "commonwealth". LOL

Kung sabagay, mababawasan mga masasmang elemento kapag naging PRC territory ang Pinas. Hahahaha.

Kung US territory ulit, dudumugin tayo ng mga illegal immigrants :lol::lol::lol:

Btw, Alam ko na kung sinu-sinu yung bagong Axis of Evil:lol:

Btw, Alam ko na kung sinu-sinu yung bagong Axis of Evil:lol:

New World Order. LOL

Guess what?!:lol:

Chinese General: US 'should explain' what are 2,500 US Marines doing in Australia

http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/chinese-general-us-should-explain-2500-us-marines-in-australia.html
:nuts::lol:

Guess what?!
:nuts::lol:

The US does not have to explain unless Australia is Chinese territory.

Just as much as the VFA is none of their business, the Marines in OZ is none of their business, too...and ours, too.

Feeling police naman ng Uncle Hu

Chinese and US Defense Officials Meet for Military Talks
On Wednesday, Chinese and US defense officials met in Beijing for talks on minimizing the risk of a possible military confrontation.

This is the 12th annual Sino-US Defense Consultative Talks. It’s the first top-level talks between the two countries after conflicts rose over US arms sales to Taiwan in September.

The New York Times cited Peking University Center for International and Strategic Studies Deputy Director Zhu Feng saying, “I see this as a signal that bilateral relations will be conducted on less stormy waters… I don’t think either side wants to see an action-reaction cycle that turns into a new Cold War.”

The Chinese People’s Liberation Army Deputy Chief of the General Staff Ma Xiaotian and US Undersecretary of Defense Michele Flournoy led the talks.

The agenda include improving bilateral defense ties, US arms sales to Taiwan, and issues pertaining to North and South Korea and the South China Sea disputes....

http://english.ntdtv.com/ntdtv_en/news_china/2011-12-08/chinese-and-us-defense-officials-meet-for-military-talks.html

piece of Sh*t na HU yan they should shut up...lagi nila sinasabi world peace?..walang point makipag meet sa Chinese official dahil puro lies and deceitful
information lang ibibigay nya para makapag mislead sila.

They may be part of UN security council but they dont hold it responsibly and don't deserve it.

teka! ano ba nagawa nila sa world peace eh sila nga ang world threat.

Kaka frustrate mga politician sa atin di magising..

Apart from that China rin sila sa world biggest polluters....Carbon?...sila rin highest consumer ng coal dahil sa indusries nila na big part na economy nila. Australia is the worlds largest producer of coal and China is easily its best client. I wish they would lessen it. China is not responsible pag Global Warming na usapan at Alam ng Australia ng may impact ang China sa Mining industry sa Australia which is a big part of its economy.

Sige world keep buying stuff made in China..payamanin nyo sila...sa huli...the whole world will regret it.

^^ di mo naman maboboycott ang products na made in china. 99% yata ng produkto ng mundo made in china!

china is really acting aggressive lately... pretty scary if you ask me. parang me parallels sa nung pre-1940s japan! oh noes!

They should now be the Imperial Chinese Army.

If things goes to worse, it's not cold war, it's ww2 pacific theater.

Ironically, they are still bitter about Japan's action in the past yet they are acting Japan during Tojo's and Hirohitos reign. And like many Japanese back then, the Chinese agree with their government

We should beef up our industries so we could stop buying Chinese products.

They should now be the Imperial Chinese Army.

If things goes to worse, it's not cold war, it's ww2 pacific theater.

Ironically, they are still bitter about Japan's action in the past yet they are acting Japan during Tojo's and Hirohitos reign. And like many Japanese back then, the Chinese agree with their government

We should beef up our industries so we could stop buying Chinese products.
Agree. Or should we say: "We need to pork up (as in pork barrel) our industries." Hahaha

Guys ano na balita dun sa SOKOL helicopters na darating daw noong November? Dumating na ba o baka delayed na naman like every other project of this admin...o worst na cancel na naman..

When you posted figures re budget, I proposed the correct way on how budgets are supposed to be done, right there. Please read the phrase italized and in bold! The key word is "equitable", not some figure/s because the government's capacity to fund all projects is not that good. If you are one of the agency heads, you can't expect to get what you propose. It is always almost lower than what is proposed, IMO.


It remains irrelevant as i simply stated a fact regarding the begining of a decline in defence budgets since marcos declared martial law and the minimum level of budget size required to fund a relatively modern force for the country .

Welcome to Thread 15! :cheers:

Keep posting forumers :okay:

Link to Thread 14 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=455536&page=628&highlight=philippine+defense+forces+thread+compiled+threads)

Please read the guidelines on posting news, articles and etc.

Thank you.

Philippine Defense Forces Thread 15, omg are you kidding? :uh: :shocked:

why are you opening too too many threads? :D

what happened to the previous one then? :popcorn:

^^it was archived.

btw, welcome to the Philippine Forums :cheers:

Buti pa yun thread laging bago un AFP luma parin gamit haayyy... Modernization nasaan kana tagal kanang hinihintay....

Here is a non-claimant POV as regards to the WPS dispute

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyaqU2OgIkM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aILkj4e-Ik&feature=related

OMG, just look at Thai and Viet budget...it is in billions..we need to allocate more. Abolish pork barrel. Hehe

Guys any news from those SOKOL helicopters that was supposed to come last November? Did they come already? are they still coming or delayed again like every other projects of this admin...:ohno::ohno:

Guys any news from those SOKOL helicopters that was supposed to come last November? Did they come already? are they still coming or delayed again like every other projects of this admin...:ohno::ohno:

Got from the other source (called Timawa :lol:) that those new birds will be delivered just in time for AFP Day.

Just keep an eye for An-22 or Boeing 747 landing in NAIA. :)

Guys any news from those SOKOL helicopters that was supposed to come last November? Did they come already? are they still coming or delayed again like every other projects of this admin...:ohno::ohno:

The 4 W-3A Sokols will arrive this weekend aboard a cargo plane, not sure what type...

Got from the other source (called Timawa :lol:) that those new birds will be delivered just in time for AFP Day.

Just keep an eye for An-22 or Boeing 747 landing in NAIA. :)

The 4 W-3A Sokols will arrive this weekend aboard a cargo plane, not sure what type...

Thanks a lot guys!:okay::okay::okay: I thought another one down the drain!

Philippines to hasten recreation of dedicated combat wing with ex-USAF F-16 purchase

The Philippine Air Force (PAF) is planning to bring forward its plan to re-establish a dedicated air combat wing by purchasing at least a ...
12-Dec-2011

http://jdw.janes.com/public/jdw/asiapacific.shtml

http://64.19.142.13/www.wpclipart.com/armed_services/airplanes/airplanes_2/F_16_Fighting_Falcon_USAF.png

Buti pa yun thread laging bago un AFP luma parin gamit haayyy... Modernization nasaan kana tagal kanang hinihintay....

Preferred weapon of choice talaga nang AFP ang luma at 2nd hand kc gusto nila yung may experience na hehehe kidding aside hope we could move forward and acquire the MRV, OPV and F-16 jets for the airforce kahit 2nd hand ok na muna yan but we need to buy new fighter planes before we can gain the respect of our bully neighbors.

Philippines to hasten recreation of dedicated combat wing with ex-USAF F-16 purchase



http://jdw.janes.com/public/jdw/asiapacific.shtml

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Hope this would push through kahit 2nd hand lang yan pero F 16 parin yan way better than our retired F5 but hope our PAF modernization would not stop from here we need new MRF to be able to defend our territory. The Red big dragon is already in our gates and we need to modernize our armed forces as soon as possible so the red dragon would stop bullying the eagle of the pacific. :)

which country in south east asia has the most powerful military strength, army, navy, airforce etc?

which country in south east asia has the most powerful military strength, army, navy, airforce etc?

Singapore

it would be great to read if you could able to answer my question with facts, sources, analysis, and comparisons etc. you can't just say singapore, i mean why is singapore militarily the strongest nation in the entire south east asia? is it because they have a powerful navy and air force that are made up of bla bla bla ships, weapons, technology etc plus an over all scenario in which singapore goes to war with the other countries in that region and who would finally win at the end of the conflict etc lolz :D

But well, PHL has probably one if not the most experienced soldiers. We've fought many revolutions, a war with the United States, the 7 Years War and the two World Wars and the Vietnam War and Korean War.

Thai 30BN USD
Viet 2bn USD
PHI 100M USD

5 billion pesos lang para sa modernization kung baga...

Yung malaking halaga for retirement ng mga oldskuls sa AFP..Kasama na dyan yung mga Ghost Employees..kaloka pano tayo makakasabay nyan..

Ipagahasa nalang sila tetay sa chekua.hahaha

Philippines to hasten recreation of dedicated combat wing with ex-USAF F-16 purchase



http://jdw.janes.com/public/jdw/asiapacific.shtml

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LOG-IN REQUIRED... :doh:

But well, PHL has probably one if not the most experienced soldiers. We've fought many revolutions, a war with the United States, the 7 Years War and the two World Wars and the Vietnam War and Korean War.

sorry to throw cold water on you but those wars ore obsolete already imo. Modern war is different. experience is nothing if you are armless. Soldiers now don't need to fight in traditional wars, they just need to push buttons:lol: Countries that would wage war with us don't need to come to our shore to fight, imo they'll just sent missiles and crush us first. So what we need is to equip ourselves with modern armaments too and train our experienced soldiers to this modern wars.

which country in south east asia has the most powerful military strength, army, navy, airforce etc?

you could also answer your own question and share here why you think so:cheers:

sorry to throw cold water on you but those wars ore obsolete already imo. Modern war is different. experience is nothing if you are armless. Soldiers now don't need to fight in traditional wars, they just need to push buttons:lol: Countries that would wage war with us don't need to come to our shore to fight, imo they'll just sent missiles and crush us first. So what we need is to equip ourselves with modern armaments too and train our experienced soldiers to this modern wars.
Modern na rin dito sa atin ah! Meron tayong mga mangkukulam, etc. Di na nga kelangan umatake dun sa kalaban, dedo lahat - pausokan la'ang!:jk::jk::jk::jk:

in terms of technology, inventory and raw firepower, the Singapore military is on top sa SEA.

if we base it on numerical force, Indonesia is king.. buong AFP natin is army lang nila.

if we talk about experience especially in counter-insurgency and multinational peacekeeping, AFP pa rin ang the best.

Dapat take-over na ng PNP lalo na ang SAF ang internal problems ng Pilipinas para makapag focus ang AFP sa external problems ng Pilipinas.

http://a.yfrog.com/img618/1374/5p2jy.jpg

BCDA remits P2.137 billion to treasury

THE Bases Conversion and Development Authority (BCDA) has remitted P2.137 billion to the National Treasury for the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) Modernization Fund from the period January to November 2011, an official said in a statement yesterday.
Arnel Paciano D. Casanova, BCDA president and chief executive officer, said that the state corporation is set to remit additional P323 million before the year ends.

“The share of AFP Modernization Fund came from the net proceeds of non-sale transactions such as lease and joint-venture agreements of former Metro Manila military camps, the biggest two of which are the former Fort Bonifacio and a portion of the Villamor Air Base now developed into Bonifacio Global City and Newport City, respectively,” Mr. Casanova said.

Under Executive Order 309, AFP should get 50% of net proceeds from non-sale transactions, the statement said.

Mr. Casanova added that the BCDA has generated a total of P52.816 billion from the disposition of Metro Manila camps from the period May 1993 to November 2011, while it has remitted a total of P33.306 billion to the National Treasury covering the proceeds from both sale and non-sale transactions.
“Of the remitted amount, P21.555 billion went to the AFP, broken down to P12.059 billion for the AFP Modernization Program and P9.496 billion for the replication of military facilities,” he said.

Meanwhile, of the generated P52.816 billion, the AFP had 41% share amounting to P21.555 billion. BCDA had a share of 20% totaling to P10.684 billion, while 14% represented the share of the 14 government beneficiary agencies, which translates to P7.143 billion.

“The remaining amount represents payments in the form of taxes and fees, replication of non-military facilities, relocation of informal occupants, and construction of site development projects,” the statement read.

Mr. Casanova earlier said that the share of the AFP is directly remitted to the National Treasury and, in turn, the Department of Budget and Management is responsible for programming and releasing the appropriation to the AFP to finance their modernization program. -- Cliff Harvey C. Venzon

source (http://bworldonline.com/content.php?section=Economy&title=BCDA-remits-P2.137-billion-to-treasury&id=43250)

it would be great to read if you could able to answer my question with facts, sources, analysis, and comparisons etc. you can't just say singapore, i mean why is singapore militarily the strongest nation in the entire south east asia? is it because they have a powerful navy and air force that are made up of bla bla bla ships, weapons, technology etc plus an over all scenario in which singapore goes to war with the other countries in that region and who would finally win at the end of the conflict etc lolz :D

Singapore Army

132 Leopard 2 SG MBTs

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700 Bionix AFVs

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Bionix_AFV_1.jpg/640px-Bionix_AFV_1.jpg

Singapore Air Force

24 Boeing F-15 SG Strike Eagles
74 Lockheed Martin F-16C/D Block 52/52+ Fighting Falcons
20 Boeing AH-64D Apache Longbows
12 Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Masters

Singapore Navy

6 fast attack diesel powered submarines
6 multi-role stealth frigates
6 guided missile anti-submarine corvettes
12 patrol ships with air defense missiles & ASW weapons
4 amphibious transport docks with air defense missiles
4 mine warfare ships
6 guided missile gunboats

sorry to throw cold water on you but those wars ore obsolete already imo. Modern war is different. experience is nothing if you are armless. Soldiers now don't need to fight in traditional wars, they just need to push buttons:lol: Countries that would wage war with us don't need to come to our shore to fight, imo they'll just sent missiles and crush us first. So what we need is to equip ourselves with modern armaments too and train our experienced soldiers to this modern wars.

Agreed. It's gonna be cyber, long range and drones war now.

As a matter of fact, China does not have to send troops to crush our military. They just have to fire that damn long range missile

I'm not insulting our soldiers. We have to be realistic if we're talking about war

Invasion is easy, occupation is not.

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it would be great to read if you could able to answer my question with facts, sources, analysis, and comparisons etc. you can't just say singapore, i mean why is singapore militarily the strongest nation in the entire south east asia? is it because they have a powerful navy and air force that are made up of bla bla bla ships, weapons, technology etc plus an over all scenario in which singapore goes to war with the other countries in that region and who would finally win at the end of the conflict etc lolz :D

SG navy's Formidable class
not one but six
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you could also answer your own question and share here why you think so:cheers:

i'd like to but the thing is i don't know anything about asian military strength that means including the mighty china :ohno:

Singapore Navy

6 fast attack diesel powered submarines
6 multi-role stealth frigates
6 guided missile anti-submarine corvettes
12 patrol ships with air defense missiles & ASW weapons
4 amphibious transport docks with air defense missiles
4 mine warfare ships
6 guided missile gunboats

so, that makes singapore militarily the most powerful country in south east asia? thanks for the info though :)

^^^^My guess is, despite having all those armaments, just like in World War II, Singapore will succumb within a few days if attacked.

The singaporeans have nowhere to go, they have a very small territory that a surprise attack on their bases left their war material vulnerable,..

Indonesia and the Philippines will be hard to bring down.

Indonesia has around 13,000 plus islands and Philippines around 7,107 islands, all possible island fortresses or unsinkable ships.

Indonesia and the Philippines will be hard to bring down.

Indonesia has around 13,000 plus islands and Philippines around 7,107 islands, all possible island fortresses or unsinkable ships.
Oh really? How long did PHL stood up against the enemy in WWII?

The singaporeans have nowhere to go, they have a very small territory that a surprise attack on their bases left their war material vulnerable,..

attacks should focus on air bases and naval bases to just keep their forces on the ground. if surprise attack failed to disable these bases, it will be a very long day/s of hard work for the invaders.

just my two cents.

attacks should focus on air bases and naval bases to just keep their forces on the ground. if surprise attack failed to disable these bases, it will be a very long day/s of hard work for the invaders.

just my two cents.

We stood our ground for 123 days during WWII. (Dec 7, 1941 - April 9, 1942) We fought side by side the US forces then. Perhaps that's the longest in Asia.
Singapore in 7 days (Feb 8, 1942 - Feb 15, 1942),
Malaya in 54 days (Dec 8, 1941 - Jan 31, 1942), and,
Indonesia in 57 days (Jan 10, 1942 - March 8, 1942)

Still, it doesn't look very long days for me! Islands do not fight I guess. It's still the foot soldiers that do the fighting!

Despite a strong navy and air force (on paper only) (untested), Singapore is weak. Kuwait has strong armaments but proved useless against Saddam. All Malaysia needs to do is close the spigot that controls the flow of water to Singapore. Singaporeans will be thirsty. :lol:

My guess is, despite having all those armaments, just like in World War II, Singapore will succumb within a few days if attacked.

i kinda agree with your statement though. as far as i am aware all singapore has got in it's military is just a limited defensive force. i don't think singapore would last more than 24 hours if a massive invasion like "shock and awe" attack was launched by combination forces, navies, air forces of the entire NATO. bare in mind that singapore is just the size of a small city with only very tiny population, on top of that it depends a lot on foreign suppliers in terms of military weapons and technologies.

ok lang yan na mag armas sila kai mga intsik, mahilig sa armas pero takbohan ang laro, ang pinoy kahit batangas knife lang ang gamit di tumatakbo sa may M-14 or M-16 na kaaway, at the end patay kong patay, buhay kong buhay, doon rin ang destiny natin kong mabubuhay tayo o hindi

Despite a strong navy and air force (on paper only) (untested), Singapore is weak. Kuwait has strong armaments but proved useless against Saddam. All Malaysia needs to do is close the spigot that controls the flow of water to Singapore. Singaporeans will be thirsty. :lol:

^^
I couldn't agree more !

Singapore is a really small country. Even if they're armed with the most sophisticated missile defense system; a massive barrage of Surface-to-Surface Missiles are enough already to destroy them into smithereens in less than 12 hours.

We stood our ground for 123 days during WWII. (Dec 7, 1941 - April 9, 1942) We fought side by side the US forces then. Perhaps that's the longest in Asia.
Singapore in 7 days (Feb 8, 1942 - Feb 15, 1942),
Malaya in 54 days (Dec 8, 1941 - Jan 31, 1942), and,
Indonesia in 57 days (Jan 10, 1942 - March 8, 1942)

Still, it doesn't look very long days for me! Islands do not fight I guess. It's still the foot soldiers that do the fighting!

Is the 1942 Singapore the same as the current Singapore? And second is, I was referring to the surprise attack. :)

it is just a war scenario in which singapore would not be able to resist that long as it is not a self efficient country in terms of production of military weapons including aircraft, warships, various missiles etc. believe me or not the conflict with singapore can be done by providing about 03x units of b-2 spirit stealth bombers in order to crush their military bases and industries, their 06x modern frigates can be blown up by launching multiple torpedoes anti-ship missiles from a couple of highly advanced nuclear attack subs. the rest of their patrol boats, air defence systems, aircraft can be destroyed by medium-bombers, air-superiority jets and air defence destroyers etc. i doubt singapore would be able to continue producing the military weapons since they depend on foreign defence contractors as i mention before, unfortunately singapore is not germany though :)

Is the 1942 Singapore the same as the current Singapore? And second is, I was referring to the surprise attack. :)
As far what history tells us, Singapore was dubbed as "the Gibraltar of Asia" at that time! Comparatively speaking, yes, Singapore was more or less the same as Singapore today - extrapolated to 1942 era.

The second item re "surprise attack" is also a big yes, IMO. Japan Imperial Army employed the element of surprise when they started their attack from the north of Singapore, overland and securing the heavily fortified fort at the southern portion of the island. Although the fort was designed to fire at naval enemies, its guns are capable of rotating 360 degress and can be used to fire on JIA advancing from the north. The problem was that all ammunitions for the big guns were armor-piercing intended for ships and not as effective on troops.

That's history, but I believe history can repeat itself hence my stand on this topic.

Despite a strong navy and air force (on paper only) (untested), Singapore is weak. Kuwait has strong armaments but proved useless against Saddam. All Malaysia needs to do is close the spigot that controls the flow of water to Singapore. Singaporeans will be thirsty. :lol:
AFAIK, there is a place in Singapore where they collect/ recycle whatever fresh water they have. Singapore has invested much on RO/ filtration equipment to suppliment the water they get from Malaysia. IMO, compared as before, I'd say Singapore will not wither right away if that valve on the causeway gets closed. They will suffer a lot though.

BTW, the water supply contract of Singapore with Malaysia expires this year, if I am not mistaken!

Oh really? How long did PHL stood up against the enemy in WWII?

We stood our ground for 123 days during WWII. (Dec 7, 1941 - April 9, 1942) We fought side by side the US forces then. Perhaps that's the longest in Asia.
Singapore in 7 days (Feb 8, 1942 - Feb 15, 1942),
Malaya in 54 days (Dec 8, 1941 - Jan 31, 1942), and,
Indonesia in 57 days (Jan 10, 1942 - March 8, 1942)

Still, it doesn't look very long days for me! Islands do not fight I guess. It's still the foot soldiers that do the fighting!

Alam mo naman pala. Tinatanong mo pa sa akin.:bash:

Tayo pinakamatagal. Na-frustrate natin mga Japanese sa grand scheme nila nung World War II.

BACK TO TOPIC! THIS IS NOT A SINGAPORE DEFENSE THREAD... :doh:

BRP Mariano Alvarez PS-38 getting underway inside Manila Bay after attending the commissioning ceremony of PF-15 as seen from my 30th floor unit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uljNB-MyKC0&feature=g-upl

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Oh really? How long did PHL stood up against the enemy in WWII?

In the very least, the Japanese were able to control barely 40% of the archipelago in WWII. The concept of island fortresses serves well I think. The guerrillas were able to hold off the rest of the islands. A war never ends in just an assault, occupation is another hard thing and so long as there is no total control of a country, there will be no real capitulation. :cheers:

BACK TO TOPIC! THIS IS NOT A SINGAPORE DEFENSE THREAD... :doh:
hahaha. but you have a point. lol

nice to have Goyo in the Navy after months of painting and improvements..with a B-105 helicopter..:lol:

BACK TO TOPIC! THIS IS NOT A SINGAPORE DEFENSE THREAD... :doh:
Sorry. Can't resist commenting on ideas that I think doesn't sit well with historical and future tactical arrangements when talking about country defenses. Slightly off-topic, yes but helpful insights are proffered there. Posters just have to say it ain't so, I guess.

i hope BRP Goyo will see a capable ASW helicopter nestled at her stern some time soon :)

Sorry. Can't resist commenting on ideas that I think doesn't sit well with historical and future tactical arrangements when talking about country defenses. Slightly off-topic, yes but helpful insights are proffered there. Posters just have to say it ain't so, I guess.

And educational too. Talking about Singapore's defense doesnt necessarily mean that we are getting out of topic as long as we can relate it on Philippine defense and that is what Parchie has been doing.

But you have a point though. :) hehehehehe.

i don't think singapore would last more than 24 hours if a massive invasion like "shock and awe" attack was launched by combination forces, navies, air forces of the entire NATO

Obviously no country in the world can sustain a conventional confrontation with nato or us coalition, however in the context of asean Singapore does have without a doubt the most advanced forces and one sufficient to deal with any of it's neighbours, in the international context Singapore is a western ally and a vital link in the global economy so any country that were stupid enough to launch a sneak attack upon it would quickly find itself subjected to a devastating nato or coalition attack ... .

Gee. Give us a break naman, AP. Sheesh.:nuts::lol:

[QUOTE]MANILA, Philippine (http://news.yahoo.com/philippines-launches-warship-amid-territorial-row-070048396.html)s (AP) — The Philippines relaunched an old U.S. Coast Guard cutter Wednesday as its biggest and most modern warship to guard potentially oil-rich waters that are at the center of a dispute with China.../QUOTE]

:cripes::nuts::lol:

P.S. Bakit nag reset ang post count ko?

We stood our ground for 123 days during WWII. (Dec 7, 1941 - April 9, 1942) We fought side by side the US forces then. Perhaps that's the longest in Asia.
Singapore in 7 days (Feb 8, 1942 - Feb 15, 1942),
Malaya in 54 days (Dec 8, 1941 - Jan 31, 1942), and,
Indonesia in 57 days (Jan 10, 1942 - March 8, 1942)

Still, it doesn't look very long days for me! Islands do not fight I guess. It's still the foot soldiers that do the fighting!

not Indonesian but dutch imperialist in Indonesia,infact mostly Indonesian helped japanese bringing down the Dutch in Indonesia,bcoz in the first time Indonesians saw the japanese as the liberator of our land from white imperialist

not Indonesian but dutch imperialist in Indonesia,infact mostly Indonesian helped japanese bringing down the Dutch in Indonesia,bcoz in the first time Indonesians saw the japanese as the liberator of our land from white imperialist
Nothing is new with that. We have our own similar experiences like with what happened in your Indonesia. For every conflict, there will always be locals sympathetic to invading forces. The Vichy government of France cooperated with the Germans, some Filipinos collaborated with the Japanese Imperial government and a transition government was formed. You can surf the web to know that it is a common ocurrence during conflicts.

not Indonesian but dutch imperialist in Indonesia,infact mostly Indonesian helped japanese bringing down the Dutch in Indonesia,bcoz in the first time Indonesians saw the japanese as the liberator of our land from white imperialist

Interesting contrast with the Philippines. But can't blame our lolo's and lola's. Would you take a foreign man who love slapping you in the face (Filipinos take serious issue with that) as liberators?

:lol::lol::lol:

Besides, the Japanese occupation was seen as an interruption for the long-aspired independence. It's just four year away and then some martians come and say "We are your liberators". In the 1940s context, that must have been very funny

Didn't Thailand do the same thing with the Japanese?
Btw, the freaky deaky Dutch probably sucked as colonizers as bad as the French:lol: In that case, can't blame them.

We got lucky. Our first colonizer blinded us by religion:lol: then the next one blinded us with gold and chocolates:rofl:

Interesting contrast with the Philippines. But can't blame our lolo's and lola's. Would you take a foreign man who love slapping you in the face (Filipinos take serious issue with that) as liberators?

:lol::lol::lol:

Besides, the Japanese occupation was seen as an interruption for the long-aspired independence. It's just four year away and then some martians come and say "We are your liberators". In the 1940s context, that must have been very funny

To the moderators:
Please allow me to post this as this refers to how some of our countrymen facilitated foreign invaders' wished to happen in our country's history as compared to "defending" our country.

Y'all:
I think we need to refresh our history with regards to what some of our ancestors did during WWII.
Philippines in the Pacific War (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/phillipines/history-ww2.htm)

From the outset the policy of the United States was to slowly groom the Philippines for eventual self-rule. The United States set up a colonial government that instituted provincial governors and a national legislature. With the passage of the Tydings-McDuffie Law, the Commonwealth Government of the Philippines was established on 15 November, 1935, with Manuel L. Quezon as the first president. The Commonwealth provided the Philippines a ten-year transition period before the assumption of full independence in 1945. One of the government’s first proclamations was the Commonwealth Act No.1, otherwise known as the National Defense Act of the Philippines. This Actmandated the creation of a defense system supported by a citizen army of 10,000 active and 400,000 reserve personnel. It also intended to establish both a Philippine Navy (PN) and an Air Force (PAF).

Japan launched a surprise attack on the Philippines on December 8, 1941, just ten hours after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Initial aerial bombardment was followed by landings of ground troops both north and south of Manila.

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With the Japanese forces advancing to Manila, General MacArthur, instructed President Quezon on 20 December 1941 to be ready to evacuate to Corregidor. Originally Quezon wanted Jose Laurel to go with him but on 23 December 1942 Quezon changed his mind. In the words of Buenafe, Quezon ordered Laurel to stay behind because of his Japanese connections which it was hoped, and rightly, might serve the country in goodstead. Quezon appointed Laurel Secretary of Justice, amd acting Chief Justice of the Supreme Court; he also instructed him “to help Mr. Vargas,” who had been appointed mayor of greater Manila. To Laurel’s argument that the Japanese might require or compel those who remain to do many things which might be inimical to the government, Quezon replied after consulting MacArthur that Laurel should do what the Japanese asked him to do except one thing — to take an oath of allegiance to Japan.

Manila, declared an open city to prevent its destruction, was occupied by the Japanese on January 2, 1942. The Philippine defense continued until the final surrender of United States-Philippine forces on the Bataan Peninsula in April 1942 and on Corregidor in May. Most of the 80,000 prisoners of war captured by the Japanese at Bataan were forced to undertake the infamous "Death March" to a prison camp 105 kilometers to the north. It is estimated that as many as 10,000 men, weakened by disease and malnutrition and treated harshly by their captors, died before reaching their destination. Quezon and Osmeña had accompanied the troops to Corregidor and later left for the United States, where they set up a government in exile. MacArthur was ordered to Australia, where he started to plan for a return to the Philippines.

The Japanese military authorities immediately began organizing a new government structure in the Philippines. Although the Japanese had promised independence for the islands after occupation, they initially organized a Council of State through which they directed civil affairs. Jose Vargas became the chairman of the executive commission and the high command of the Japanese Army selected Laurel as Commissioner of Justice. The interference of the Japanese military incourt affairs prompted Laurel to issue a circular prohibiting dismissal of cases pending trial or investigation except in due course of legal procedure. This led to his detention at Fort Santiago for three hours.

Benigno Aquino Sr., grandfather of Liberal Party candidate Sen. Benigno Aquino III, was a Japanese collaborator and a member of the Philippine puppet government during World War II. When Benigno Aquino, Sr., then Commissioner of the Interior, was made the Vice President and Director-General of the Kapisanan Sa Paglilingkod Sa Bagong Pilipinas (KALIBAPI - Association for Service to the New Philippines) - the only political organization allowed at that time - Laurel was removed from the Department of Justice and appointed Commissioner of the Interior by the Japanese High Command.

Japan sought to win increased Filipino cooperation by setting up an independent government under the presidency of Jose P. Laurel. During US colonial administration Manuel Roxas, a close associate of Gen. McArthur, was the Speaker of the House of Representatives, a senator & a member of Quezon cabinet. In June of 1943, Roxas was the principal author of the "puppet" constitution & worked in the Laurel cabinet as Minister Without Portfolio. On 25 September 1943, Laurel was unanimously elected President of the Republic by assembly delegates. While in Tokyo, upon the invitation of the Japanese government, Laurel was requested to declare war against Great Britain and the United States. But Laurel refused, saying that the Filipino people would not approve of it, that he could not carry out the order, and that he himself had never been a popular leader.
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Sorry if this is OT.

APNewsBreak: Satellite gets pic of Chinese carrier

A commercial U.S. satellite company said it has captured a photo of China's first aircraft carrier in the Yellow Sea off the Chinese coast.
DigitalGlobe Inc. said Wednesday one of its satellites photographed the carrier Dec. 8. A DigitalGlobe analyst found the image Tuesday while searching through photos.

Source here (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-satellite-gets-pic-chinese-carrier-180333261.html)
http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/nv3iLXY_4ihv.inzEXl_2A--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD01MTI7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/08382133f09a351b010f6a7067009376.jpg

This Dec. 8, 2011 satellite image provided by the the DigitalGlobe Analysis Center shows the Chinese aircraft carrier Varyag sailing in the Yellow Sea, approximately 100 kilometers south-southeast of the port of Dalian, China. (AP Photo/DigitalGlobe) MANDATORY CREDIT



I can here The Imperial March (Darth Vader's Theme) in the background. :|

don't worry man it's not that OT.:)

An aircraft carrier sailing alone? Where are its protection? Couldn't see any jet fighter too. They are all inside the carrier?

An aircraft carrier sailing alone? Where are its protection? Couldn't see any jet fighter too. They are all inside the carrier?

Shakedown cruise.

An aircraft carrier sailing alone? Where are its protection? Couldn't see any jet fighter too. They are all inside the carrier?

maybe it's just a sea trial for the carrier itself, not for the whole aircraft carrier operation.:)

An aircraft carrier sailing alone? Where are its protection? Couldn't see any jet fighter too. They are all inside the carrier?

Maybe there is something sailing with it but below the sea.

U.S. Navy may station ships in Singapore, Philippines:banana::banana::banana::banana:
By Andrea Shalal-Esa and Eveline Danubrata
WASHINGTON/SINGAPORE | Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:54am EST


(Reuters) - The U.S. Navy said it would station several new coastal combat ships in Singapore and perhaps in the Philippines in coming years, moves likely to fuel China's fears of being encircled and pressured in the South China Sea dispute.

Regional defense analysts said the ships were small, but agreed the symbolism of the moves, which come after Washington announced it was increasing its engagement in Asia, would upset Beijing.

Last month the United States and Australia announced plans to deepen the U.S. military presence in the Asia-Pacific region, with 2,500 U.S. Marines operating out of a de facto base in Darwin in northern Australia.

In coming years, the U.S. Navy will increasingly focus on the strategic "maritime crossroads" of the Asia-Pacific region, Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Jonathan Greenert wrote in the December issue of Proceedings, published by the U.S. Naval Institute.

He said the navy planned to "station several of our newest littoral combat ships at Singapore's naval facility," in addition to the plans announced by President Barack Obama for marines to be based in Darwin from next year.

"This will help the navy sustain its global forward posture with what may be a smaller number of ships and aircraft than today," he wrote.

Littoral combat ships are shallow draft vessels that operate in coastal waters and can counter coastal mines, quiet diesel submarines and small, fast, armed boats.

"If we put this into context, it's a fairly small scale of deployment and the combat ships are relatively small vessels," said Euan Graham, senior fellow in the Maritime Security Program at Singapore's S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies.

"Encirclement is a phrase that does come up in Chinese debate about the U.S. strategy. They won't be happy about it, but there's nothing much that they can do to stop it."

Greenert wrote the ships would focus on the South China Sea, conducting operations to counter piracy and trafficking, both of which are endemic in the area.

"Similarly, 2025 may see P-8A Poseidon aircraft or unmanned broad area maritime surveillance aerial vehicles periodically deploy to the Philippines or Thailand to help those nations with maritime domain awareness."

One source briefed on navy plans said there has also been discussion about stationing ships in the Philippines.

BIGGEST THREAT

The disputed ownership of the oil-rich reefs and islands in the South China Sea is one of the biggest security threats in Asia. The sea is claimed wholly or in part by China, Taiwan, the Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam and Brunei.

The shortest route between the Pacific and Indian Oceans, it has some of the world's busiest shipping lanes. More than half the globe's oil tanker traffic passes through it.

Obama told Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao at a regional summit in November that the United States wanted to ensure the sea lanes were kept open and peaceful. Wen was described by U.S. officials as being "grouchy" later at the summit, when other Asian countries aligned with Washington. :lol:

The Chinese premier said "outside forces" had no excuse to get involved in the complex maritime dispute, a veiled warning to the United States and other countries to keep out of the sensitive issue.

"A modest marine presence in Australia - 2,500 marines is not a large offensive force by any means - and ships in Singapore do not mean it's all about China," Paul Dibb, the head of the Strategic and Defense Studies Centre at the Australian National University, told Reuters.

"But having said that, China is being increasingly assertive on the high seas. So while I don't see the U.S. as encircling China, it would be silly to say China wasn't part of it."

CLOSELY WATCHED

These developments on the littoral combat ships (LCS) are being closely watched by Lockheed Martin Corp, Australia's Austal, General Dynamics Corp and other arms makers that are building two models of the new warships for the U.S. Navy, and hope to sell them to other countries in coming years.

"Because we will probably not be able to sustain the financial and diplomatic cost of new main operating bases abroad, the fleet of 2025 will rely more on host-nation ports and other facilities where our ships, aircraft, and crews can refuel, rest, resupply, and repair while deployed," Greenert wrote in the naval magazine.

Ernie Bower, who is with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said the emerging strategy for Southeast Asia would be far different from the big U.S. bases established in Japan and South Korea in the past.

"We're exploring a new arrangement with a smaller footprint, that is mission-specific, and culturally and politically more palatable to countries," he said, adding it would be difficult for Washington to drum up much political support for big bases in the region. Forward-stationing versus permanent bases would also save the navy money, he said.

Greenert did not provide a timetable for the LCS stationing in Singapore.

In the Philippines, a U.S. ally that has clashed several times with China over the South China Sea dispute, the moves were welcomed.

"We're together in Asia Pacific and we face common security challenges," said defense spokesman Peter Paul Galvez.

"We see several security challenges where we actually need inter-operability and interplay exercises including disasters, threats of terrorism, freedom of navigation, piracy and human trafficking. We cannot deny that we need their assistance in that aspect." (Additional reporting by Rob Taylor in Canberra and Manuel Mogato in Manila; Editing by Raju Gopalakrishnan and Alan Raybould)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/16/us-usa-navy-asia-idUSTRE7BF04Y20111216



:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:
:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

^^ malalampasan kaya nila ang Simbahan at ang mga kaliwete?

Anyway, may bago na palang nickname si Wen
http://s12.postimage.org/hqtfhv55l/300px_Oscar_can.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/hqtfhv55l/)

Ta da!:lol:

What are you gonna do Uncle Hu? Parang batang pikon na lalong iniinis ang China ngayon ah. Matetempt kaya silang pumalag or do the first move?

^^Lose-lose situation sila- pumalag sila- guguho ang bansa nila. Their country is dependent on the global economy.

Obama pulled out from Iraq - San kaya mapupunta ang mga troops na yun? :|

^^Lose-lose situation sila- pumalag sila- guguho ang bansa nila. Their country is dependent on the global economy.

Obama pulled out from Iraq - San kaya mapupunta ang mga troops na yun? :|

that's the advantage of india over china. india may not have the glamour of skyrocketing FDIs as china does, but its domestic investment and consumption are driving its economy well. these locally and nationally sourced investments as well as locally driven production and consumption expenditures, are not easily prone to external global shocks. while china exports goods that are susceptible to the dynamics of the global economy, india exports articulate CEOs and skilled engineers without experiencing brain drain, thanks to its huge and young population.

that's the advantage of india over china. india may not have the glamour of skyrocketing FDIs as china does, but is domestic investment and consumption are driving its economy well. these locally and nationally sourced investments as well as locally driven production and consumption expenditures, are not easily prone to external global shocks. while china exports goods that are susceptible to the dynamics of the global economy, india exports articulate CEOs and skilled engineers without experiencing brain drain, thanks to its huge and young population.

Cheers to India!! I just went to the Indian Embassy yesterday. :banana:

Cheers to India!! I just went to the Indian Embassy yesterday. :banana:

very good for you! the other nice thing about india is despite her growing economic and other global influences, her international image is not that of a growing imperialist. this is unlike the image projected by, or is perceived of china.

To the moderators:
Please allow me to post this as this refers to how some of our countrymen facilitated foreign invaders' wished to happen in our country's history as compared to "defending" our country.

Y'all:
I think we need to refresh our history with regards to what some of our ancestors did during WWII.

Thank you for the article. Honestly, while I am aware about the Japanese collaboration of Roxas and Aquino, I was quite surprised with Quezon.

These officials practically sold out the Filipino populace. It seems like ir didnt matter the them that the masa were being slapped and kicked around or that women are being anducted by the Japanese to be sex slaves

But in my earlier post, i was referring moreto the commoners than the elites. There are said to be 250,000 Guerillas in the Philippines during that time. That is big numbers, IMO

^^Lose-lose situation sila- pumalag sila- guguho ang bansa nila. Their country is dependent on the global economy.

Obama pulled out from Iraq - San kaya mapupunta ang mga troops na yun? :|


Malapit na rin ang pull out sa afghanistan.lol

Didn't Thailand do the same thing with the Japanese?
Btw, the freaky deaky Dutch probably sucked as colonizers as bad as the French:lol: In that case, can't blame them.

We got lucky. Our first colonizer blinded us by religion:lol: then the next one blinded us with gold and chocolates:rofl:



I am no thai expert but i think they dont have a choice -- be detroyed or cooperate. After all from which western country would they be "liberated" from?

Reading Parchie's post, it makes me now think that the reason Quezon wanted the "neutrality" of the Philippines was to collaborate with Japan. Washington may agree to remove its troops but Japan? We're in a very good location for them to get out of our soil. Besides, I read somewhere that they wanted our cotton too. So, neutrality can never be an option. It is with or against

15 NPA rebels, gov’t troopers in fresh encounter anew in Agusan del Sur

BUTUAN CITY, Dec. 17 (PNA) - An estimated 15 suspected New People’s Army rebels engaged a platoon of soldiers belonging to the 29th IB Philippine Army, under 1Lt Dennis De Guzman while conducting combat operations in Barangay San Lorenzo, Prosperidad, Agusan del Sur on Friday morning, police said.

The area of encounter is about 120 kilometers away from Butuan City, Caraga Region's capital.

The armed encounter lasted for 20 minutes, according to police report.

http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php?idn=&nid=2&rid=392851

^^Akala ko ba may Christmas ceasefire:ohno:
Grabe naman.

^^Akala ko ba may Christmas ceasefire:ohno:
Grabe naman.

Para sa akin dapat walang ceasefire.... Pag NPA.... salut sa lipunan yan di marunong umiintindi sariling kapakanan lang ang iniisip hay nku di dapat talaga mabuhay sa mundo kung pde lang itapon.... itapon nalang

US Navy to station ships in Singapore and perhaps in the Philippines in the coming years...

http://news.yahoo.com/u-navy-eyes-stationing-ships-singapore-013943985.html

US Navy to station ships in Singapore and perhaps in the Philippines in the coming years...

http://news.yahoo.com/u-navy-eyes-stationing-ships-singapore-013943985.html

Please backread- posted that already. :)

Para sa akin dapat walang ceasefire.... Pag NPA.... salut sa lipunan yan di marunong umiintindi sariling kapakanan lang ang iniisip hay nku di dapat talaga mabuhay sa mundo kung pde lang itapon.... itapon nalang

i agree sawa na ako sa every week or month may pang-aambush na ginagawa ang NPA nationwide... ewan ko ba sa gobyerno ni Pnoy at walang sawa sa kakapeacetalk ginagawa na nilang inutil ang PNP at AFP laging namamatayan yun hanay nila, nakakababa ng moral...

matagal ng obvious na ndi susuko yang mga NPA na yan, pinapaikot lang nila gobyerno at diba last report nun kay Gloria nasa 6,000 nlang un mga yun dpt ubusin na yun mga natitira... mga baluktot naman pinaglalaban nila...

Sorry if this is OT.

APNewsBreak: Satellite gets pic of Chinese carrier

A commercial U.S. satellite company said it has captured a photo of China's first aircraft carrier in the Yellow Sea off the Chinese coast.
DigitalGlobe Inc. said Wednesday one of its satellites photographed the carrier Dec. 8. A DigitalGlobe analyst found the image Tuesday while searching through photos.

Source here (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-satellite-gets-pic-chinese-carrier-180333261.html)
http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/nv3iLXY_4ihv.inzEXl_2A--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD01MTI7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/08382133f09a351b010f6a7067009376.jpg

This Dec. 8, 2011 satellite image provided by the the DigitalGlobe Analysis Center shows the Chinese aircraft carrier Varyag sailing in the Yellow Sea, approximately 100 kilometers south-southeast of the port of Dalian, China. (AP Photo/DigitalGlobe) MANDATORY CREDIT


I can here The Imperial March (Darth Vader's Theme) in the background. :|

An aircraft carrier sailing alone? Where are its protection? Couldn't see any jet fighter too. They are all inside the carrier?

Dummy yan. Pirated na aircraft carrier look alike..toinks!:lol::lol::lol:

Dummy yan. Pirated na aircraft carrier look alike..toinks!:lol::lol::lol:

aircraft carrier natapos agad? made in China: "ONCE SOLD, CONSIDERED BROKEN!"

forgotten memories of our Phil. troops to the Korean War..

piuOH4E4w0o

forgotten memories of our Phil. troops to the Korean War..

piuOH4E4w0o

^^ Hats off to this guys. It is sad that they have been forgotten.

I pretty much blame it on our "historians" who rather than collecting facts on our history, is more prone to debating and brainwashing who was the better colonizer(Japan, US, Spain), who was the better president, etc... (that, IMO should be left at the discretion of the reader. Historians should present facts as accurately as possible)

Colors of Courage Documentary (http://vimeo.com/13948783)

Not exactly about Philippine Defense but still somehow related -- Bataan Death March.

There's a thread in the Thai forum called China, Our Neighbor. Unfortunately I can't understand their alphabet but they got some pretty cool photos there like the capability of their lady soldiers in the army and special forces.
http://image.ohozaa.com/i/554/el1TF.JPEG
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(re posted here from Airlines airplane thread)

Definitely, an F-16 for the Philippines As President Aquino bares Wish List to Obama
By Norman Bordadora
December 14, 2011

President Benigno Aquino III will ask US President Barack Obama for F-16 fighter jets when they meet April next year in Washington for a State Visit.

This was disclosed by Aquino during opening ceremonies for the PAF Invitational Shootfest and firing range blessing at Villamor Airbase on Saturday.

“We went to Bali, Indonesia, recently and as we were leaving for the Philippines, we saw at their airport three F-16s parked and they would be given two squadrons more by our American friends,” Mr. Aquino said in an impromptu speech.

“I said, this looks rather equitable. Two squadrons for them, one ship for us,” he added in jest.
The President said he would remind Obama of the strategic partnership between the Philippines and the United States.

Obama has invited President Aquino to go on a state visit to the US next year after attending the ASEAN meeting in Bali, Indonesia.

“I think that when I and President Obama meet next year, perhaps around April, I will remind him of our strategic partnership. They might remember that we don’t have a fighter jet here,” Mr. Aquino said.

The Philippines recently acquired from the United States a Hamilton-class cutter and has named the erstwhile US Coast Guard vessel the BRP Gregorio del Pilar.

“The Navy will be getting—I am told, I have been assured—our second Hamilton class cutter sometime next year,” the President said.

“And we did request that when it is given to us, they would no longer remove the equipment installed for us to put back in place when it gets to us and it appears that our request would be granted… Perhaps not the entire system (would remain) but a lot of it,” he added.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin during talks in Manila in November that Washington would give the Philippines a second cutter "Dallas" from the US Coast Guard virtually for free early 2012 but some retrofitting and upgrading has to be made to effectively make it a naval vessel. The third one is expected to join the navy fleet in 2013.

The US recently indicated its preparedness to engage its allies in East Asia and Southeast Asia to ensure the freedom of economic activity and the implementation of maritime rules in the region.

Obama made the remarks when he was asked during a forum at the APEC Summit in Hawaii last month what issues he would tackle and what goals he wanted to accomplish when he attended the East Asia Summit and the US-Asean Summit in Bali also in November.

In a separate news briefing during the APEC meet, the commander of the US Pacific Fleet and recent Manila visitor Adm. Robert Willard said the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea) is an important sea lane that is vital to the region, to US allies “and certainly to the United States.”

Willard said the sea lanes that “criss-cross” the South China Sea carry $5.3 trillion in annual bilateral trade, of which $1.2 trillion is in US trade.

ok to, kaya lang baka pagdating nang April 2012 wala nang natira sa surplus na F-16s, bigay na lahat sa Indonesia.:ohno:

There are lots of surplus f16's in the world alot of countries in Europe aswell are cutting down their sizeable f16 fleets as they purchase newer types of aircraft like the Gripen or Typhoon and later quite a few F16 operators would replace them with the JSF .

I hope the government does not miss out on accepting the basing of US navy ships in the coming years in return they should ask for aircrafts and more ships and other forms of assistance, it's not such a bad deal as USN ships would reinforce the countries security and it would be good to have closer ties with the USN as they would ultimately be one of our main supplyers of naval vessels and our most important allied country .

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Too bad all those Chinese lady soldiers would all likely get killed if their country were foolish enough to start a war, for their sake i hope they simply go home and stay out of sight .

^^ Anglapit lapit ng Australia---> we should partner with Oz as well- easily, they can give a submarine. :D

Nakakatuwa isipin na sobrang sipsip na nga noon ni gloria kay george bush ndi tayo nbigyan ng fighter jet... Tpos si Pnoy nmn naiingit sa indonesia ksi sila bibigyan ng two squadron ng F16, tpos sa atin isang naval ship lang... May pagka unfair din ang US for me oo nga tumutulong sila sa humanitarian relief sa atin kaso alam naman nila we badly need military assets... Mas maiingit si Pnoy sa military assets na binigay ng US sa Pakistan at sa mga iniwan nilang gamit sa Iraq last sunday...

Any news sa mga Sokol helicopter natin??? Kung nadeliver na sna yung mga yun edi sana nabinyagan agad at sinabak sa CDO... Lets pray for them magpapasko pa nmn...

Nakakatuwa isipin na sobrang sipsip na nga noon ni gloria kay george bush ndi tayo nbigyan ng fighter jet... Tpos si Pnoy nmn naiingit sa indonesia ksi sila bibigyan ng two squadron ng F16, tpos sa atin isang naval ship lang... May pagka unfair din ang US for me oo nga tumutulong sila sa humanitarian relief sa atin kaso alam naman nila we badly need military assets... Mas maiingit si Pnoy sa military assets na binigay ng US sa Pakistan at sa mga iniwan nilang gamit sa Iraq last sunday...

Any news sa mga Sokol helicopter natin??? Kung nadeliver na sna yung mga yun edi sana nabinyagan agad at sinabak sa CDO... Lets pray for them magpapasko pa nmn...

payagan natin mga terrorista na maghasik baka makonsensya sila. or baka tampo pa rin sila na nawala bases nila dito :lol:

parang back to 1940s ulit :ohno::ohno:

Nakakatuwa isipin na sobrang sipsip na nga noon ni gloria kay george bush ndi tayo nbigyan ng fighter jet... Tpos si Pnoy nmn naiingit sa indonesia ksi sila bibigyan ng two squadron ng F16, tpos sa atin isang naval ship lang... May pagka unfair din ang US for me oo nga tumutulong sila sa humanitarian relief sa atin kaso alam naman nila we badly need military assets... Mas maiingit si Pnoy sa military assets na binigay ng US sa Pakistan at sa mga iniwan nilang gamit sa Iraq last sunday...

Any news sa mga Sokol helicopter natin??? Kung nadeliver na sna yung mga yun edi sana nabinyagan agad at sinabak sa CDO... Lets pray for them magpapasko pa nmn...

After magwithdraw ng Philippines from Iraq ay wala ng chance na magbigay ang US ng fighter jets sa Pilipinas.

After magwithdraw ng Philippines from Iraq ay wala ng chance na magbigay ang US ng fighter jets sa Pilipinas.

I forgot about that being a possible reason. Kung sabagay parang iniwan sila sa ere. :ohno::ohno::ohno:

Parang di din natin napanindigan ang MUTUAL Defense Treaty tapos inaasahan natin na sasaklolo sila ngayon sa Spratly's

DND to acquire attack aircraft

MANILA, Philippines - The Department of National Defense (DND) is planning to acquire a squadron of surface attack aircraft in the next few years to beef up the military’s capability to secure the country’s airspace.

read more: http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=759918&publicationSubCategoryId=63

DND to acquire attack aircraft

MANILA, Philippines - The Department of National Defense (DND) is planning to acquire a squadron of surface attack aircraft in the next few years to beef up the military’s capability to secure the country’s airspace.

read more: http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=759918&publicationSubCategoryId=63

Here is the final answer to the PAF's definition of a squadron that was debated here a long time ago...

A squadron consists of 12 to 24 aircraft units. A surface attack aircraft is capable of interception and maritime patrols.

hmmm ewan ko lang ha...pero kung di kaya na alis base ni uncle sam siguro madami a donate equipment mula noon up to now?...who knows...pero kung sa strategic location. mas strategic tayo sa Indonesia if we base it on current events on the international stage. The deals Philippines gets are Usually not as good as other countries.

Btw when does the next Hamilton arrive I know Nigeria also got a Hamilton.

^^ Kung bakit din kasi tayo pala asa :ohno: parang walang drive ang gov't na idevelopment and sariling "military-industrial" complex. Hehehe. Baka aasenso pa ekonomiya nyan. LOL. We have many Engineers working abroad. Maybe, there could be a government program to entice them to come home and work for Military R&D

kaya nga pala asa....walang kwentang mga buwaya sa malacanang.

^^ Kung bakit din kasi tayo pala asa :ohno: parang walang drive ang gov't na idevelopment and sariling "military-industrial" complex. Hehehe. Baka aasenso pa ekonomiya nyan. LOL. We have many Engineers working abroad. Maybe, there could be a government program to entice them to come home and work for Military R&D

hmmm ewan ko lang ha...pero kung di kaya na alis base ni uncle sam siguro madami a donate equipment mula noon up to now?...who knows...pero kung sa strategic location. mas strategic tayo sa Indonesia if we base it on current events on the international stage. The deals Philippines gets are Usually not as good as other countries.
IMHO, Hindi na tayo ganun ka priority nila especially considering our track record. Alam mo naman ang Washington. Isa pa, kaya ba natin bumili at mag-maintain ng brand new craft/equipment?
Kung Prime real estate sa Cali lang yon madali lang mag allocate ng pork barrel:|
Yun lang ayaw ko pag nand2 na naman ang Kano . Magiging tamad na naman sila. Hayzz... Tapos pag di na naman nasiyahan ang mga buwaya sa senado sa mga bayad o favors... paalis na naman. LOLs.
Although I don't think the Kano will fall for that kind of arrangement again. Ayaw na nilang magpatali sa PH goVT.

As painful as it may seem, I think kailangan din naman mapakinggan yung side na mga average Kano. Sa totoo lang, kung hindi dahil sa stability/strategic interests nila, PH is practically on her own and would be prone to an upcoming, well deserved bitchslap. I only feel sorry for our kababayans who certainly don't deserve it.

http://www.livingincebuforums.com/ipb/topic/45296-aquino-to-press-for-stronger-us-military-alliance/page__st__10
Several members of this forum were parts of teams that came in and tried to help train the AFP and the RP did not want them. We gave them equipment, refurbished to standard. In otherwards it was not junk. The RP were the ones that did not maintain them and the others they took apart and sold the parts because they were blinded by the cash in pocket. The RP wanted us to leave, not the other way around.


gain I hope, I really do, hope that the RP appreciates what Aquino is able to get from the States. And more than likely it will be used but used military equipment that is very good, very usable and effective. But if the RP comes back with their typical song and dance and say we don't like it that we got used even though its been refurbished, etc. then I say please tell them to go and buy and maintain what you can afford on your own.

let me clarify; I meant in regards to the op of military planes. I brought that up because the RP has for I do not know how long, would take the military equipment that they were given and then they would salvage them for parts and the others that they did not take apart, they would barely care for them. Thats why I wish no one, the States, OZ, whomever does not give the RP any fighter planes until they show that they would maintain and support them and not just that they can fly them.


This is from the above link. You can read the rest of the comments if you want or just feel free to comment here.

As painful as it may seem, I think kailangan din naman mapakinggan yung side na mga average Kano. Sa totoo lang, kung hindi dahil sa stability/strategic interests nila, PH is practically on her own and would be prone to an upcoming, well deserved bitchslap. I only feel sorry for our kababayans who certainly don't deserve it.







This is from the above link. You can read the rest of the comments if you want or just feel free to comment here.

Looks like it's largely our fault. After all, hindi ba natin sila pinatalsik and told them we do not need them all of a sudden ngayon nagcocomplain na hindi binibigay sa atin mga equipment,etc....na protectahan nila tayo. Sabay iniwan natin sila sa ere sa Iraq which is like us breaching the MDT (pasalamat tayo di nila inabolish kahit paano "nakatali" pa rin sila na tulungan tayo sa depense if things go to worst)

Can't blame them if they feel "used". Binigyan na nga ng candy, nagdedemand pa ng chocolate. :lol:

I think a lot of our kababayans are leftist brainwashed

Looks like it's largely our fault. After all, hindi ba natin sila pinatalsik and told them we do not need them all of a sudden ngayon nagcocomplain na hindi binibigay sa atin mga equipment,etc....na protectahan nila tayo. Sabay iniwan natin sila sa ere sa Iraq which is like us breaching the MDT (pasalamat tayo di nila inabolish kahit paano "nakatali" pa rin sila na tulungan tayo sa depense if things go to worst)

Can't blame them if they feel "used". Binigyan na nga ng candy, nagdedemand pa ng chocolate. :lol:

I think a lot of our kababayans are leftist brainwashed
Agree. Gaya-gaya, di naman kaya, buzz-word chasing, lefties na super-myopic ang visions!

I think the issue of the base closures has passed altho im sure the memory still lingers, the reason why the US isn't as willing to hand the rp equipment is due to some of the things already mentioned such as questions regarding the budget and wheter it is sufficient to maintain equipment that is provided .

Another issue is that the US does not simply give away weapons and equipment especially since the end of the cold war so when people talk about Pakistan well Pakistan is where Al Qaeda and the Taleban are active, while US forces are engaged next door in Afghanistan which relies heavily on supply convoys travelling from Pakistan so there is a substantial "reason" for providing aid .

I think people should realise that the cold war is over and that superpowers no longer hand out free stuff to allies or vassal states as they used to in their proxy wars of the past, and those countries that still do enjoy military aid do so because they represent an important interest for the US and often spend alot on defence themselves making them serious defence partners compared to the less than 1% of gdp in the RP's defence budget .

This morning i saw a bunch of aircrafts hovering in the skies.

10 am - 11 am
16 small white propeller planes doing a formation (i'm not sure if it's t-41)

11am - 11:30
2 Broncos
1 small plane tailing the bronco ( i think it's s211)
6 bigger propeller plane tailing the small plane (maybe sf-260)

11:30 up to 12
4 (1 white, 3 blue ) small propeller planes

PAF to Acquire a squadron of F-16'S from the US...

http://defense-studies.blogspot.com/2011/12/philippines-wants-to-acquire-f-16.html

PAF to Acquire a squadron of F-16'S from the US...

http://defense-studies.blogspot.com/2011/12/philippines-wants-to-acquire-f-16.html
Mukhang medyo malabo ang numbers dito. If we follow the usual formation as with the USAF, does the word squadron mean 24X F16 fighter jets? Or the country has its own definition of "one squadron"?

^^ please read post #102 on this page...:)

^^ please read post #102 on this page...:)
Yep. I've read it. It's just that the linked report didn't say "12-24", that's why I said it's kinda vague!

Besides, it doesn't have to be that way with the PHL. If the US found it sufficient having 24 units per squadron, are we going to follow them to the letter? I have read before that the Defense Department reduced the number of fighter aircraft per squadron to 18 per squadron in some instances due to expediture cuts in the Fed Budget some years back. Our country is not the same as the US in how the units were utilized. 24 can be too small or could be too much!

Mukhang medyo malabo ang numbers dito. If we follow the usual formation as with the USAF, does the word squadron mean 24X F16 fighter jets? Or the country has its own definition of "one squadron"?

12 aircraft is officially a "squadron" for the PAF

12 aircraft is officially a "squadron" for the PAF
Thanks a lot, for the confirmation/clarification.

break muna =)

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the US government and their politicians are frustrated from us as their "allies" after we abrogated their presence in their bases here in the country and it took them years to regain the trust when the country sided with them after 911, and the trust slowly healed, had it not for panoy started courting the US for the mutual treaty to be strengthened kung dlang naghabol ang pinas, wala mangyayari sa defense natin!

the US government and their politicians are frustrated from us as their "allies" after we abrogated their presence in their bases here in the country and it took them years to regain the trust when the country sided with them after 911, and the trust slowly healed, had it not for panoy started courting the US for the mutual treaty to be strengthened kung dlang naghabol ang pinas, wala mangyayari sa defense natin!

But remember Panot was all about courting Uncle Beho, continuing the same trend GMA started to an even greater extent, I might add. Boycotting the Nobel and what did we get to show for it? Didn't stop Uncle Hu's "assertiveness":nuts: and only then did he start talking about our alliance with the US. Pfft.

But remember Panot was all about courting Uncle Beho, continuing the same trend GMA started to an even greater extent, I might add. Boycotting the Nobel and what did we get to show for it? Didn't stop Uncle Hu's "assertiveness":nuts: and only then did he start talking about our alliance with the US. Pfft.

Suspetsa ko kapag di lang namedia din yanh execution ng ofw baka nagbackdoor din kay uncle hu sa spratlys yan. After dun lang naman sya naging critical sa chinese claims

This can be start of unexpected change on asia...

North Korean leader Kim Jong Il, 69, has died (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/north-korean-leader-kim-jong-il-69-died-030848603.html)

APBy JEAN H. LEE | AP – 12 hours ago

If the successor will become more aggressive than the former, things will really change.

I hope that junior's previous behavior was just a show off pretending to be a tough guy and a warfreak, but deep inside is a gay and wanted peace with the south koreans.

do you guys think this is the ripe time for the US to intensify pressure on NoKor? e.g. military pressure

break muna =)

zJwNmghVYv4

A very-inspirational movie for a WW2-era ship that can defeat an alien ship!

China no longer angry but wants to resolve Spratlys issue among claimants:lol::lol::lol:


Asked by the Philippine Daily Inquirer if the Chinese were still mad at Filipinos, a beaming He said “not anymore,” stressing “we’re brothers.”

One of the media program delegates, Tran Thi Thang of the Vietnam News Agency, agreed that the issue “should not be internationalized.”
Tran said Spratly claimant-countries “should solve the problem themselves.” ----> :nuts::nuts::nuts::lol::lol::ohno::ohno::bash:

Three other delegates, meanwhile, disputed Chinese officials’ call to play down the issue.

Rathanak Thy, reporter of the Phnom Penh-based Rasmei Kampuchea Daily newspaper, said “if we do that, the world will only know one side of the story.” :applause:

“Our readers need to know what’s happening not only in our country, but also in the region and the rest of the world,” Thy added.

Clayton Barnes, business reporter of Cape Argus, a Capetown, South Africa paper, said “the citizens of every country have the right to know what’s happening in both local and international affairs.”

Issues like the South China Sea dispute “should be reported fully instead of being played down,” Barnes also said.

Reporter John Gachiri Gachanja of the National Media Group in Nairobi, Kenya, said “there is a big difference between journalism and public relations.”:cheers::cheers:

“If there is a pink elephant in the room, it is the duty of journalists to report about the pink elephant instead of calling it a small cow…If the facts point to a big problem, they ought to be reported without any additions or subtractions,” Gachanja added.


Source (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/21197/china-no-longer-angry-but-wants-to-resolve-spratlys-issue-among-claimants?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)


You can't afford be angry when everyone around you hates you. :lol::lol::lol:

^^ Almost everyone of its neighbors don't believe them. LOL! :D :D :D

But there is no "probrem" the Spratleys or most of it belong to the RP ! .

----

Anyway in memoriam and in his biggest starring role ... .

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do you guys think this is the ripe time for the US to intensify pressure on NoKor? e.g. military pressure

Uhm, I'm not an expert but I think now's not the right time, North Koreans lost their leader, which I believe they worship like a god with a leader with that kind of popularity, if the US intensify their presence in either Japan or SK, they would make North Koreans weary and could even help increase the new leader's popularity by rallying their people again against their common enemy, the US.
On the US side, with the current situation of their economy I don't they're in a position or have enough reason to start a new war again. Especially when we talk about nations that are like buffer zones for China.

I agree from the post above. It is not good to put pressure on North Korea's shoulder at this time. The leader is new and young, and needs to prove a lot to his people. Putting pressure on him will only result to war. To me, the new leader looks like an arrogant spoiled brat. Well, that is just for me.

^^ Kim Jong-un went to school in Bern and apparently dined with the ambassador all the time.

Uhm, I'm not an expert but I think now's not the right time, North Koreans lost their leader, which I believe they worship like a god with a leader with that kind of popularity, if the US intensify their presence in either Japan or SK, they would make North Koreans weary and could even help increase the new leader's popularity by rallying their people again against their common enemy, the US.
On the US side, with the current situation of their economy I don't they're in a position or have enough reason to start a new war again. Especially when we talk about nations that are like buffer zones for China.

Agreed. Also let us not forget that NK is highly militarized and they have nuclear warheads. And also, more importantly, the China factor.

China no longer angry but wants to resolve Spratlys issue among claimants:lol::lol::lol:







Source (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/21197/china-no-longer-angry-but-wants-to-resolve-spratlys-issue-among-claimants?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)


You can't afford be angry when everyone around you hates you. :lol::lol::lol:

Another Chinese sell outs.

It NEEDS to be internationalized to promote more constraint especially on China's side who cares so much about "losing face"...on the superficial. :lol:

Spratlys issue, I think is a dead lock issue, I can't be solve, not militarily not even diplomatically. With the nations involved in that issue I don't think a solution is possible.
Heck we can't even put a bunker in ALL those island, how much more when we "take" other island that are guarded like a fortress.

Nations involved might make a diplomatic agreement and some sort but it's just temporarily sooner or later this issue will stir up again. The only way things would settle down is to just maintain the current status quo, no one makes a move, just guard what territories they hold, for sure no one will make a move.

Agreed. Also let us not forget that NK is highly militarized and they have nuclear warheads. And also, more importantly, the China factor.

yeah, i agree that they are highly militarized but we should also take into consideration the number 1 problem that they are still experiencing, famine. they can go toe to toe at the start of the war but how long can they sustain it.

by the way, do they also have navy?

China no longer angry but wants to resolve Spratlys issue among claimants:lol::lol::lol:







Source (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/21197/china-no-longer-angry-but-wants-to-resolve-spratlys-issue-among-claimants?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)


You can't afford be angry when everyone around you hates you. :lol::lol::lol:


Dont believe it whether its true or not. This is the same thing what the japanese did to the americans before they attacked Pearl Harbor by sending their diplomat for a peace treaty while the japanese empire preparing for war with their naval ships at full speed heading to the philippines and Pearl Harbor.

^^ another hypnotism to our government, they must not take it easy...

do you guys think this is the ripe time for the US to intensify pressure on NoKor? e.g. military pressure

a recent missile test by NK said "don't mess with me this time":lol:

Dont believe it whether its true or not. This is the same thing what the japanese did to the americans before they attacked Pearl Harbor by sending their diplomat for a peace treaty while the japanese empire preparing for war with their naval ships at full speed heading to the philippines and Pearl Harbor.

^^ another hypnotism to our government, they must not take it easy...

Another Chinese sell outs.

It NEEDS to be internationalized to promote more constraint especially on China's side who cares so much about "losing face"...on the superficial. :lol:

China no longer angry but wants to resolve Spratlys issue among claimants:lol::lol::lol:







Source (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/21197/china-no-longer-angry-but-wants-to-resolve-spratlys-issue-among-claimants?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)


You can't afford be angry when everyone around you hates you. :lol::lol::lol:

another pang uto uto sa pinoy so we would be left offguard:lol: and while they on the surface proclaim this their navies are creeping on our shores:lol: Eto ata tinuro ni Sun Zhu sa kanila sa"The art of War"

oo lang tayo but still we prepare to bring this in the international courts and prepare as well our military para di na lang tayo basta matakot takot nila

yeah, i agree that they are highly militarized but we should also take into consideration the number 1 problem that they are still experiencing, famine. they can go toe to toe at the start of the war but how long can they sustain it.

by the way, do they also have navy?

They have a navy, and apparently they are ten fold stronger than us. They're stronger than us in all military aspect. >__<

Oh really? How long did PHL stood up against the enemy in WWII?

long enough to save australia from the japs.

They have a navy, and apparently they are ten fold stronger than us. They're stronger than us in all military aspect. >__<

uy thanks. i lately realized that they sinked one of ROK ship. wala lang tlaga akong makitang pictures ng mga barko nila.

MANILA, Philippines (AP) — An official says the Philippines will seek a squadron of F-16 fighter jets and a third coast guard ship from longtime ally Washington amid simmering territorial disputes in the South China Sea.

Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario said Wednesday that he and the defense chief will meet their U.S. counterparts in Washington next year to discuss the requests.

Del Rosario said the requests for 12 F-16 fighter jets and a third coast guard cutter have already been relayed to American officials and their initial response was encouraging.

Washington has provided a coast guard cutter and agreed to send another one to the Philippines, which is locked in territorial disputes with China and four other governments.

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/philippines-seeks-12-f-16-fighter-jets-us-104445379.html

another pang uto uto sa pinoy so we would be left offguard:lol: and while they on the surface proclaim this their navies are creeping on our shores:lol: Eto ata tinuro ni Sun Zhu sa kanila sa"The art of War"


yap merong ganyang binanggit sa Art of War. Di ko lang matandaan yung exact words nya.

So what happened to the planned F18 or Mig acquisitions?

12 F16 for the Philippines (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/21275/philippines-seeks-12-f-16-fighter-jets-from-us)
Associated Press 7:11 pm | Wednesday, December 21st, 2011

^^ forget about the MiGs....the Russians are not too keen helping the buyers for the maintenance.....*ahem* just ask the Malaysians. The F-18s are too few compared to the F-16s so parts availability is lower.

12 is a good start they should give the pilots that do fly them alot of flying time to hone their skills, it's better to have half a dozen aircraft piloted by highly skilled pilots than a dozen aircraft with pilots who barely get to fly, it's best to have some aircraft kept in reserve due to likely attrition over the coming years coz who knows when wed get more .

Obviously i do hope that they acquire more of them in order to have more aircraft available for patrols and defence and of course acquisition of the m346 advanced light jet trainer/fighter/attack aircraft .

I agree the migs should never even been considered at all they are a waste of ressources, hopefully in time the navy can have it's own air assets say eventually 24 f16's for the PAF and 12 f18's for the PN dedicated for naval warfare and providing air support for the navy given China's plans for carriers .

AFP need atleast 48 MRF or 3-4 squadrons, 1 squadron per AFP fleet command, and armed PN with F-18's like what you said Arvor.

Kung ayaw ng pinAs ng u.s. Bases sana ang hilingin nila sa u.s. Air defense missiles stations just like they setup in s.korea, japan at dun sa iba png country allies nila na may banta sa territory lalo na wala tyong fighter jets atleast china will be scared to do aerial patrols... Msyadong vulnerable tyo pgdting sa air defense...

Australia will replace their f18s in the future for new 100 f-35s in the next 5-10 years, well if the Philippines can still wait :lol:

Kung ayaw ng pinAs ng u.s. Bases sana ang hilingin nila sa u.s. Air defense missiles stations just like they setup in s.korea, japan at dun sa iba png country allies nila na may banta sa territory lalo na wala tyong fighter jets atleast china will be scared to do aerial patrols... Msyadong vulnerable tyo pgdting sa air defense...

I think, the reason why Japan and South Korea have aerial defense from US or US help them set up aerial defense is because US have bases on these countries. It is also to protect their military assets from enemies. US military base here in the Philippines was abolished so there are no reasons for US to set up defenses or spend millions or billions of dollars securing our country. Why directly help securing a country that kick your base, left you in the air in Iraq, and always cry for help when there are threats?

Nag retire na ba si Rudolph? Para kasi ginagamit pa ni Santa yung CUH natin panghatid ng mga regalo kaya hindi pa dumadating sa Pilipinas.

I think, the reason why Japan and South Korea have aerial defense from US or US help them set up aerial defense is because US have bases on these countries. It is also to protect their military assets from enemies. US military base here in the Philippines was abolished so there are no reasons for US to set up defenses or spend millions or billions of dollars securing our country. Why directly help securing a country that kick your base, left you in the air in Iraq, and always cry for help when there are threats?

:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

It's time for us to consider who is being unfair -- us or the US? Our politicians don't even dare abolish the MDT but whine about the VFA :lol::lol:

:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

It's time for us to consider who is being unfair -- us or the US? Our politicians don't even dare abolish the MDT but whine about the VFA :lol::lol:



coz MDT is the only defense plan of the Phil. incase of war hahaha :nuts::nuts::nuts::nuts:

lets face the reality thats all we got... almost all our inventory is used for counter insurgency and nothing can match external threats...

List of stored F-16 aircrafts at AMARC, plenty to choose from... :)

http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-16/stored-aircraft/airforce/USAF/1/

What is AMARC...

http://amarcexperience.com/AMARCDescription.asp

^^ there are actually two types of F-16s that are stored in AMARC: (1) stored F-16A/B ADF fighter aircraft and (2) recently retired F-16C/D Block 25s.

realistically speaking, i don't think that we will get those F-16C/D Block 25s. what we might have are F-16A/B ADFs that are to be subjected to the MLU upgrade program akin to what America's European allies got.

wala bang pics nung AFP Parade??:wink2:

http://www.inquirer.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/page-one-12222011.jpg
front page sya ngayon ng PDI, 22December2011

In what year do you think can the PN assemble a fleet comparable to that of the Royal Navy's Home Fleet? 2025? 2050? Just asking. :)

never?

seriously, I don't see our country ever having the opportunity to have a credible defense force capable to deter foreign armies coming here as long as we elect the same kind of politicians, at least not in our lifetime.

I hope I'ms wrong though.

In what year do you think can the PN assemble a fleet comparable to that of the Royal Navy's Home Fleet? 2025? 2050? Just asking. :)


The year when United States loses its mind and dump all its extra machineries to us.

If we are to depend AFP capability upgrade to the politicians, hmmm never mind. Take all the money and assets of the politicians and then let war knocks on our door, you will see that it will only takes a week or maybe a month before we have those that you are asking for. Not brandnew but we will have them.

our reserves are increasing can we use some to increase our budget in modernization? maybe it's time we have our own defense research department, i mean particularly on manufacturing our own weapons and other armaments.

san ba nkatago un MDT contract??? naisip ko lng bigla...hehehe

What I think should be done is increase military expenditures, I don't think the current budget is enough to maintain a force for 98 Million people in 7,107 scattered islands. I mean if even Thailand which has a lot less people than us have a military much more powerful, why not us? It's enough disgrace to even think we were once an Asian hegemony. To look at photos of how clean and grand Manila was before, the pearl of the orient, and how the Philippine Air Force rivaled the Soviets over Asian airspace and the Philippine Army being sent in Philippine Expeditionary Missions in the Korean Peninsula during the Cold War, its too much. To think national security is being neglected at a time when the world geopolitics is changing and new powers are emerging. We have a good economy, surplus and a rising foreign reserve. Why can there be even a good military for the Philippines?

It's time politicians become mature enough and realize the situation PHL is in right now. Sheesh. :(

san ba nkatago un MDT contract??? naisip ko lng bigla...hehehe

nasa Recto daw pina pa-authenticate pa nila :lol:

Philippine President Benigno S. Aquino has promised that his administration will buy two C-130s for the Philippine Air Force (PAF) next year.


PNoy to buy PAF more C130 planes for relief goods transport
by Rutchie Cabahgu-Aguhob

CAGAYAN DE ORO CITY, Misamis Occidental, Dec. 22 (PIA) -- Responding to the problem of food scarcity in Typhoon Sendong devastated areas of the vity, President Benigno S. Aquino III promised to buy at least two more units of the C130 Cargo plane for the Philippine Air Force (PAF), next year.

During his visit to assess the devastation brought by ‘Sendong’ in the city, the president said that there is only one C130 Cargo Plane in the PAF inventory that has been bringing relief items to flashflood victims. He added that it is currently down for maintenance.

“We have offers of assistance coming in from America, Russia, Japan and other countries and the Americans will, most probably, provide us with the necessary airlift capability to fast track what we need,” Aquino said.

We have two other C130 cargo planes in the pipeline but they’re not yet ready for events like this and will be available only, next year, he also said.

According to him, the funds to buy the planes are readily available.

“We have at least two (2) sources to tap, domestic and foreign: the Asian Development Bank (ADB) will be assisting us with a loan of US$3million grant and the World Bank (WB) facility that has also offered us,” the President added.

http://www.pia.gov.ph/?m=1&t=1&id=69173

^^ good for pnoy... a new start for him.. +1

What I think should be done is increase military expenditures, I don't think the current budget is enough to maintain a force for 98 Million people in 7,107 scattered islands. I mean if even Thailand which has a lot less people than us have a military much more powerful, why not us? It's enough disgrace to even think we were once an Asian hegemony. To look at photos of how clean and grand Manila was before, the pearl of the orient, and how the Philippine Air Force rivaled the Soviets over Asian airspace and the Philippine Army being sent in Philippine Expeditionary Missions in the Korean Peninsula during the Cold War, its too much. To think national security is being neglected at a time when the world geopolitics is changing and new powers are emerging. We have a good economy, surplus and a rising foreign reserve. Why can there be even a good military for the Philippines?

It's time politicians become mature enough and realize the situation PHL is in right now. Sheesh. :(

Cut off pork barrel. It may not be "too much" but at least it's additional funds. But I doubt the tongressmen and senatongs will want to give their cholesterol.

I reminds me during the Commonweath era. Quezon gave the responsibility of defending the Philippines to the US, therefore denying funds to the Commonwealth Army. We're repeating the same old mistake again -- inaasa sa US ang external defense as if it is their responsibility. It is time to act like n independent nation. not go crying making sumbong to "kuya" everytime we have kaaway"

nasa Recto daw pina pa-authenticate pa nila :lol:

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our reserves are increasing can we use some to increase our budget in modernization? maybe it's time we have our own defense research department, i mean particularly on manufacturing our own weapons and other armaments.

Marami naman daw tayong bolo at sibat :lol::lol:

Marami naman daw tayong bolo at sibat :lol::lol:
Gulok na dalawang linggong nahasa at konting lason sa talim plus mangkukulam na isang daang taong-gulang! Sino pa kaya ang lalaban sa 'tin nyan?

What I think should be done is increase military expenditures, I don't think the current budget is enough to maintain a force for 98 Million people in 7,107 scattered islands. I mean if even Thailand which has a lot less people than us have a military much more powerful, why not us? It's enough disgrace to even think we were once an Asian hegemony. To look at photos of how clean and grand Manila was before, the pearl of the orient, and how the Philippine Air Force rivaled the Soviets over Asian airspace and the Philippine Army being sent in Philippine Expeditionary Missions in the Korean Peninsula during the Cold War, its too much. To think national security is being neglected at a time when the world geopolitics is changing and new powers are emerging. We have a good economy, surplus and a rising foreign reserve. Why can there be even a good military for the Philippines?

It's time politicians become mature enough and realize the situation PHL is in right now. Sheesh. :(

Cut off pork barrel. It may not be "too much" but at least it's additional funds. But I doubt the tongressmen and senatongs will want to give their cholesterol.

I reminds me during the Commonweath era. Quezon gave the responsibility of defending the Philippines to the US, therefore denying funds to the Commonwealth Army. We're repeating the same old mistake again -- inaasa sa US ang external defense as if it is their responsibility. It is time to act like n independent nation. not go crying making sumbong to "kuya" everytime we have kaaway"


Bah. Sayang yung budget at pork barrel pagbinigay lang sa militar. Mas maganda pa daw bumili na lang bagong real estate, bagong suvs etc kaysa magmukha tayong warmonger sabi ng senado at AFP. Besides, superpower pa naman daw si Kuya eh:nuts:

^^ Di magtatagal si 'kuya' diyan. It took one war to bring the British Empire to its knees and never to return as a superpower. U.S pa kaya?

^ I fear that what has been done to us, like most of the former colonies of empires, has left us clinging to our former colonial masters for protection and economic assistance. Even after we have been granted "independence", we are still looking to our American counterparts for assistance. Part of this also lies with the Filipino's who collaborated with Americans to insure their own selfish well being long after the Americans have departed the Philippines. They are the ones who undermined our ability to govern ourselves democratically free of corruption from the very beginning and because of their collaborations with the Americans, we were left with a permanent culture of conniving political clans, a legacy of corruption, bribery, in all levels of government, military, etc. They ruined the essence of our right to self determination and robbed us the ability to govern ourselves without having to be backed by America.

What is really ironic and truly alarming is that those F-16s are essential for the defense of the Philippines, specially when China is reasserting itself as the dominant power in the region. But in reality those F-16 are nothing more than sitting ducks against superior Chinese missiles. They are nothing more than coastguard surveillance jets without proper armaments to defend or engage a Chinese fighter jets if it ever happens. Those will be downgraded before being passed down to the Philippine Air Force, and no doubt armed with only heavy machine guns. We cannot engage any serious Chinese threat without the assistance of US warship in the region. That is why there is a strong American presence in the area. How can we defend ourselves against fully armed Chinese fighter jets or fully armed Chinese naval vessels with just machine guns? The Chinese have acquired a second hand aircraft carrier from Eastern Europe for the supposed purpose of "Marine Research." The truth has already been revealed that they have built training facilities for their navies with mock copies of this aircraft carrier and no doubt have begun to train and drill thousands to operate the aircraft carrier. It also has been revealed that they intend to design and build far more advanced and sophisticated aircraft carriers or "US Carrier killers" along with submarines to tip the balance of power in the region in to their favor. Now this should really be an eye opener for any of our politicians to get their acts together if they haven't decided to take sides, American vs. Chinese. This is a serious matter and what happened in Georgia against the Russians can have a replay scenario along our territorial disputes in the Spratly islands. Russia imposed its military strength on Georgia and annexing large parts of that country, while America, its "ally" and other NATO allies, stood by and did nothing except protest at the General Assembly and UN Security council. It is time for us to really stamp out government corruption, military involvement in politics isn't doing us any good as a whole. It is seriously time to rethink about mandatory military service for the purpose of national/civil defense of our country. All empires have their rise, their waning, and eventual fallout. At this point China is on the rise in the region and the US is waning. Thailand has an aircraft carrier to this present day in service. At one point the Philippines was far more developed than Thailand, and to think of it, there are so many Filipinos who serve as abled seamen throughout the world. The number of abled Filipino seamen serving in foreign countries probably outnumbers that of the Royal Thai Navy itself. So it is truly a shocking thought. I am not negatively criticizing, I only criticize because perhaps I am nationalistic and a hardliner against corruption in government and in the military, but as a political science student, these are the facts that face our government, our navy and military.

^^ IMO, the lack of defense has more to do with our own neglect especially AFTER martial law. After ww2, we were one of the best military in Asia. Our soldiers even kicked ass in the Korean war. However, when Marcos came to power, it went all chaotic with the military being so spoiled when Marcos gave them the power to rule civilians

I think this is the problem with the Philippines as to why we can't sort things out, we tend to "blame" former occupiers for our OWN deficiencies (therefore expecting them to fix our problems). After all, who elects the goons in the government? So, your "analyzation" of "American collaborators" does not hold much up, I am afraid.

As I mentioned earlier, before ww2, Quezon wasn't so much fond of the Americans yet he threw to them the responsibility of defending the Philippines. While it would have been helpful to have some US resources allotted the the Commonwealth defense, it was dumb of the Quezon government to put it solely on the US (therefore denying the funding of creation of a Philippine Army) especially that the US were having TWO wars -- the Pacific and European theaters

I agree with you though on the UN General Assembly. Hopefully, the world realizes how impotent the UN is and has been impotent to resolve issues, especially with the big 5 involved. Like your Georgia-Russia example, both the US and Russia are part of the permanent seat as China and the US will are. I am afraid, being "neutral" is not an option for us again as like in ww2, it is our territory again that is at stake. We know that the Chinese will not stop harassing us unless we agree to their bilateral talks.

Forming alliances will benefit us; however that does not mean we should rely on our allies -- this is the problem with Filipinos. It's the common Juan Tamad problem where we'd wait for the mango to fall of the tree.

The problem is not "collaboration" but rather our own laziness to do something about out defense. Don't you think it's funny that those who kicked out the bases in the name of "nationalism" and those who want to abolish the VFA are the same ones crying that the US is doing nothing about the "MDT"? Even when the bases were kicked out, we have done nothing about modernization. We are victims of our own laziness

The Filipino image of the AFP has changed so much ever since martial law. The civilians became weary of the possible abuse of power by the military that brought hell on earth to them in Marcos' 20 years of presidency. Even when I talk to other Filipinos, all them have this doubt about the military. And all were sharing the same thought, that the military would once again be a tool of torment jsut as it was back then.

But when I look at it, the military plays a very important role in ensuring the we Filipinos continue to enjoy our freedom and our rights in the land. To secure us in our own backyard, otherwise we would've been just a province of China. And now, when we have a very aggressive neighbor like China.

The military is in tatters, it is not the great ARMED FORCES that it used to be. Just compare them to the British Expeditionary Force after the 'miracle' of Dinkirk. Just the soldiers, all their equipment left on the beaches. Demoralized and exhausted. But we are not at war just as Great Britain was before, we are just on the brink of another war. We have the TIME to prepare ourselves and get ready for action. But what is happening? The modernization should not be taken as if it is a 'peacetime' preparation. We don't know when China loses her temper and strike at us with everything she got. What I would've opted is a massive militarization of the country, in just ten years we can conscript up to 1 Million soldiers in the Armed forces and establish at least a Home Fleet to defend our archipelago and a strong massive air force to secure our skies. Fortify our islands in the Spratly's. Make use of our 'unsinkable' aircraft carriers and maintain airstrips so the PAF can launch surveillance, reconnaissance and air raids from there.

But doing so would cost too much.

It would be better if we make use of this need to develop our military industry. Heavy industries that build ships, aircraft and armaments have to be sourced locally so as to save money and ensure that we can produce what we use. But then again this process would take a very long time.

Now what better alternative do we have?

^^ Di magtatagal si 'kuya' diyan. It took one war to bring the British Empire to its knees and never to return as a superpower. U.S pa kaya?

Tell that to Enrile and other idiots buwayas in Congress. They are not afraid of an arms race in Asia, my ass. They're afraid to lose their precious funds/pork to other priorities, such as defense.

Besides, I dont think kuya is stupid enough to engage the Behos militarily, particularly when their economies are intertwined and both are nuclear-armed. I don't think the Intsik are that stupid either. They are still lagging behind in technology and have never been in a actual conventional war whereas kuya has become battle-hardened:lol: Let's also not forget that they still have to get a grip on carrier operations on that one refurbished aircraft carrier. So if you ask me, both powers are wary of each other so they have to rely on other tactics like saber-rattling, check-book diplomacy and finding/coaxing allies.

Compare that to how 'in-experienced' the United States was prior to its entry into World War II, the Americans had no idea about the modern warfare being waged by Nazi Germany in Europe. They even feared the Germans would be the first one to blow up a nuclear bomb on London. The Germans were too complacent, knowing that the British are already so exhausted with all the missiles flying over England from the northern coast of France.

I think, the U.S also, has become to content with what it is now. I don't blame them, they've been there for nearly a century. But we should never underestimate China. Germany was blown up because it was too undermining over the true strength of the rising America, now, the latter should've be complacent with the rising China.

And as for us, now is the time we stood for ourselves and at the same time, be more vocal on our allies. 'The one thing worse than fighting with your allies, is fighting without them.'

Compare that to how 'in-experienced' the United States was prior to its entry into World War II, the Americans had no idea about the modern warfare being waged by Nazi Germany in Europe. They even feared the Germans would be the first one to blow up a nuclear bomb on London. The Germans were too complacent, knowing that the British are already so exhausted with all the missiles flying over England from the northern coast of France.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'in-experience' or is it inexperienced? The US was part of the ww1 when Russia withdrew, if I am not mistaken, in 1918 or 1917. Ww1 was never "finished". It ended in an armstice. In fact following the events, it's a continuation of ww2 and the cold war is a continuation too of the coldwar and the 'war on terrorism' is also a continuation of the cold war.

(interesting trivia: the last ww1 US vet to die used to be interned in the Los Banos camp in Laguna)

I think, the U.S also, has become to content with what it is now. I don't blame them, they've been there for nearly a century. But we should never underestimate China. Germany was blown up because it was too undermining over the true strength of the rising America, now, the latter should've be complacent with the rising China.



And as for us, now is the time we stood for ourselves and at the same time, be more vocal on our allies. 'The one thing worse than fighting with your allies, is fighting without them.'

I agree that we must not be complacent with China, especially that they have growing military and is aligning itself with repressive governments like Iran, NK and Venzuela. However, I think the US and its allies should wait for China to do something stupid. Pre-emptive action is not popular nowadays. Preventive, yes. Pre-emptive, no.

The modernization should not be taken as if it is a 'peacetime' preparation. We don't know when China loses her temper and strike at us with everything she got.

If Beijing does that, she is stupid herself. China relies on global consumption. Much of China has low GDP, save for the progressive coastal areas. Now, if China strikes on the hapless Vietnam and Philippines, I don't think the world will sympathize with her. Imagine what would happen to China if nations would impose embargo on her and pull out their businesses. The US and EU has been giving vague statements that it supports the Philippines in the Spratlys. Now, with the debt they have with China, China is in a critical position. :lol: It's going to be a win-win for the countries having big debt with China

Regardless, we must strengthen the armed forces

I'm not sure what you mean by 'in-experience' or is it inexperienced? The US was part of the ww1 when Russia withdrew, if I am not mistaken, in 1918 or 1917. Ww1 was never "finished". It ended in an armstice. In fact following the events, it's a continuation of ww2 and the cold war is a continuation too of the coldwar and the 'war on terrorism' is also a continuation of the cold war.

(interesting trivia: the last ww1 US vet to die used to be interned in the Los Banos camp in Laguna)

I think, the U.S also, has become to content with what it is now. I don't blame them, they've been there for nearly a century. But we should never underestimate China. Germany was blown up because it was too undermining over the true strength of the rising America, now, the latter should've be complacent with the rising China.



I agree that we must not be complacent with China, especially that they have growing military and is aligning itself with repressive governments like Iran, NK and Venzuela. However, I think the US and its allies should wait for China to do something stupid. Pre-emptive action is not popular nowadays. Preventive, yes. Pre-emptive, no.

What I meant was that the United States didn't have any idea about the kind of warfare being waged by Hitler in Europe. The trench warfare in World War I has become obsolete, field battles are won by the number of tanks and superiority in arms. The German panzers come together as battalions and not just simply infantry back-up like what is being done by France during that time. Big Bertha was one innovation that really changed the mode of warfare since then. Even in the first world war, the United States did not have that much of a role in the war except for the huge loans it gave to the Western allies. They were more just an ARMORY for the fighting British and French in WWI.

Germany in WWII was waging a different war that would've sent the Americans on shock if they were to be deployed immediately on the front lines.

What I meant was that the United States didn't have any idea about the kind of warfare being waged by Hitler in Europe. The trench warfare in World War I has become obsolete, field battles are won by the number of tanks and superiority in arms. The German panzers come together as battalions and not just simply infantry back-up like what is being done by France during that time. Big Bertha was one innovation that really changed the mode of warfare since then. Even in the first world war, the United States did not have that much of a role in the war except for the huge loans it gave to the Western allies. They were more just an ARMORY for the fighting British and French in WWI.

Germany in WWII was waging a different war that would've sent the Americans on shock if they were to be deployed immediately on the front lines.

Actually, prior to joining the ww1, the US has been loaning to BOTH sides. Woodrow Wilson was neutral at first until he decided that Britain and allies can't lose the war. The US was neutral for 3 years until the final year when it sided with the allies than the central powers

^^ Had you read between the lines yet? ;) I fail to see how some can opine that it is really ironic and truly alarming that those F-16s are essential for the defense of the Philippines. :| Would they rather have us go belly up and do nothing?

^^ Had you read between the lines yet? ;) I fail to see how some can opine that it is really ironic and truly alarming that those F-16s are essential for the defense of the Philippines. :| Would they rather have us go belly up and do nothing?

are you talking to me or to kenken? just asking coz i am confused with your ^^

^^ oh to you but I wasn't referring to Kenken. ;) It was only that your exchanges were too quick in succession between my composition and the actual time of posting.

^^ oh to you but I wasn't referring to Kenken. ;) It was only that your exchanges were too quick in succession between my composition and the actual time of posting.

I don't remember commenting on F-16s in particular. I have always commented on the general modernization program

I don't remember commenting on F-16s in particular. I have always commented on the general modernization programNo, you didn't. One of your previous chatmates did, not kenken. Awww it's only one page ago. ;) :lol:

No, you didn't. One of your previous chatmates did, not kenken. Awww it's only one page ago. ;) :lol:

Luckylady or Lilyr?

I see, sonnyville

I think you are referring to this line

What is really ironic and truly alarming is that those F-16s are essential for the defense of the Philippines, specially when China is reasserting itself as the dominant power in the region. But in reality those F-16 are nothing more than sitting ducks against superior Chinese missiles.

Ay, confucius ba? :lol:

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The real problem simply has to do with the countries restrictive economic policies which gradually eroded the countries economic and thus military lead in the region during the previous decades .

A strong military depends on a strong economy and as long as the economy is prevented from achieving it's full potential basically in order to priviledge local elites who fear competition and losing their grip on power then things will indeed take a long time to change .

We need to open up the economy to more investment and thus development which in turn will generate more wealth to fund military budgets .

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Regarding the comparison of Germany in ww1 or 2 and China today is only valid with regards to it's economic rise whitin an established world economic order, China technologically however is no match for the US/EU and their global alliances Germany was simply a generation ahead of everybody else during ww2 and indeed alot of US and Soviet postwar military technology were derived from German tech and know how, China today is nowhere near such levels of military development relative to the rest of the worlds leading powers .

If anything China ought to be really careful right now because one false move could provide the pretext needed to take them out .

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What the Phillippines can do though as a matter of strategy in the unlikely event of a foreign attack by neighbours is to send all available aircraft and ships to block shipping in the "asean sea" .

The disruption in maritime trade links will automatically bring in every major power in the world from the US and it's regional allies Japan, S.Korea, Australia, Singapore to EU navies into the region which would impose an immediate cessation to all hostilities, forcing any attackers to both suffer the rupture of vital supplies and possible attack from outside powers .

^^Ever since the oligarchs came back to power after the Marcoses chopped their hands, the philippines became worst than the Marcos 20 yr rule.

^^Great photos!

MANILA, Philippines - The United States has expressed willingness to help (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=761971&publicationSubCategoryId=63) the Philippines obtain a squadron of F-16 jet fighters to improve its defense capability, Foreign Affairs Secretary [/URL] del Rosario said yesterday.
Del Rosario clarified, however, that this would not mean stationing of US naval vessels in the Philippines.
He admitted there is a plan to station US navy ships in the region but stationing them in the country was not discussed.
“It has not come up yet. What the US discussed with us is we see foreign policy of US for Asia and the Pacific. They are repositioning and re-balancing. They want to re-engage with Asia. The region has become a key [URL="http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=761971&publicationSubCategoryId=63#"]driver (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=761971&publicationSubCategoryId=63#) in global politics,” Del Rosario said.
“They (US) discussed with us the cooperation with stationing 2,500 (troops) and two ships in Singapore but we did not discuss anything for the Philippines, except assistance to improve our capability... I do not think at this point it is being discussed. We are still in the process of refining the VFA (Visiting Forces Agreement),” he said.
Del Rosario and Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin will visit the US in February or March to meet with their counterparts.
Del Rosario said the US is ready to help improve the Philippines’ defense capability.
“We are trying to get the assistance of several countries to be able to take minimum and credible defense posture and the US expressed willingness to help us with two Hamilton-class cutters, and the second one is coming. We are also trying to obtain a squadron of F-16s under defense articles,” he said...

Pa-spesyal ensaymada na naman tong gobyerno to. Where's Enrile and the rest? And how are we going to pay for the newer ones?
Pag wala yung Intsik out of stock na naman yung special ensaymada. I guess kuya has the behos to thank.

The real problem simply has to do with the countries restrictive economic policies which gradually eroded the countries economic and thus military lead in the region during the previous decades .

A strong military depends on a strong economy and as long as the economy is prevented from achieving it's full potential basically in order to priviledge local elites who fear competition and losing their grip on power then things will indeed take a long time to change .

We need to open up the economy to more investment and thus development which in turn will generate more wealth to fund military budgets .

----

Regarding the comparison of Germany in ww1 or 2 and China today is only valid with regards to it's economic rise whitin an established world economic order, China technologically however is no match for the US/EU and their global alliances Germany was simply a generation ahead of everybody else during ww2 and indeed alot of US and Soviet postwar military technology were derived from German tech and know how, China today is nowhere near such levels of military development relative to the rest of the worlds leading powers .

If anything China ought to be really careful right now because one false move could provide the pretext needed to take them out .

----

What the Phillippines can do though as a matter of strategy in the unlikely event of a foreign attack by neighbours is to send all available aircraft and ships to block shipping in the "asean sea" .

The disruption in maritime trade links will automatically bring in every major power in the world from the US and it's regional allies Japan, S.Korea, Australia, Singapore to EU navies into the region which would impose an immediate cessation to all hostilities, forcing any attackers to both suffer the rupture of vital supplies and possible attack from outside powers .
good points

^^Ever since the oligarchs came back to power after the Marcoses chopped their hands, the philippines became worst than the Marcos 20 yr rule.

And the local reds too

^^ I remember someone immediately freed the wild animals Nur Misuari and Jomari Sison post 1986 and both reinvigorated their respective rebel organisations. I do not know how the brains of some in government were wired, but this one event gives a whole new dimension to two words in the same sentence, stupid bloody idiot - no, make that 3 words. Absolutely unbelievable. :ohno:

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Actually, the word Oligarchy is not the sole domain of the Yellow Brigade alone, mind you. Many Marcos Loyalists also took on the role of the Oligarchy during their heyday in power. Whichever colour is in power, their minions take on the role of Oligarchs, don't give me that nonsense that one colour/ political side is pristine white and the paragon of all virtue coz NAAAH, no one ain't, aight?

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This is the new night vision coupled with infra red .

I hope the army creates a special forces night fighting platoon equipped with these, just imagine attacking a rebel camp at night and in complete darkness while the special night forces can see them clearly, it would mean certain death especially if coupled with modern night vision capable attack helicopters .