http://northborneophilippines.blogspot.com/2011/06/philippine-claim-to-sabah-is-it-time.html

Mat Skodeng's comment is an insult hurled at the philippines and the filipinos...

^^ Why bother with such a ninny who compares dikcs and whose government is an official sponsor of the MILF?: lol::lol:

http://northborneophilippines.blogspot.com/2011/06/philippine-claim-to-sabah-is-it-time.html

Mat Skodeng's comment is an insult hurled at the philippines and the filipinos...

his knowledge is what will kill him. the problem with his country is that they have modern equipments. it is just the same problem with us having the old ones :)

He was obviously just deranged by the article and that person doesn't speak for the country as a whole or indeed the people of Sabah, so there is no need to spend much attention on his comment .

In any case the Phillippine population and economy would ultimately outgrow that of Malaysia so in reality it is just a matter of time when the rp's economy and thus military capability surpass theirs, how long depends on how fast the economy can be reformed to use it's full potential .

Finally the Sabah issue should not be solved by military means, it would be solved through reforms such as federalisation and the improvement of the countries economic and other social issues which once solved could then form the basis for enticing and then inviting the people of Sabah to hold a referendum on switching federations from Malaysia to a then Federal Republic of the Phillippines .

But if you want to nitpick just mention that it was the British military that defeated the insurgency and in any case given Malaysia's issues with almost all it's neighbours it would be unwise for it to start wars .

i'm glad we could finally have some f16s.:cool: i'll be happier if we will also acquire some f15 air superiority fighters... wish mode.

a little bit of intermission. it's beyond the reach of our budget but here's a video of an f22 air superiority fighter, a successor of the f15. the thrust vectoring technology enables the plane to execute some amazing stunts in seemingly effortless fashion. some stunts simulate a free fall in a controlled manner, of course.

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the f35, on the other hand, is touted as the successor of the f16. this multi-role combat plane can be adapted both as an air superiority fighter and as a fighter bomber. it can be fitted for use in aircraft carriers. its most distinguishable feature is its capability for vertical take off and landing. the japanese parliament and air self defense force recently approved plans to purchase a number of these aircraft. sigh!

Future Weapons : F-35 JSF part 1
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Future Weapons : F-35 JSF part 2
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at the 1:35 frame, i could already see a PAF F16. additionally, at the latter parts of the video are pictures of the philippine apache helicopters. ain't that cool?:cool::lol:
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The F35 has already failed in it's mission to be the successor of the F16, the F16 was modern but it wasn't the cutting edge it was however able to do alot of missions and more importantly it was affordable and easy to maintain while the F35 is too costly and complicated while being limited in it's roles .

Imo the Gripen is the true successor to the principles that made the F16 one of the most widely used and produced military aircraft in the modern era .

A good start but still far from better.

For sure these superior aircraft would do better, hoping maging sapat ang bilang nila sa bansa

I don't know if this was posted before..

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20111224/170473935.html

I guess we will be seeing Japanese military hardwares in the afp arsenal in the near future..:)

a little bit of intermission. it's beyond the reach of our budget but here's a video of an f22 air superiority fighter, a successor of the f15. the thrust vectoring technology enables the plane to execute some amazing stunts in seemingly effortless fashion. some stunts simulate a free fall in a controlled manner, of course.

The Sukhoi-30 is a cheap thrust-vectoring fighter jet used by India.

I don't know if this was posted before..

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20111224/170473935.html

I guess we will be seeing Japanese military hardwares in the afp arsenal in the near future..:)

The DND/AFP was/were not mentioned in that news.

lol wag na muna tayo mangarap ng F-35 or F-22.. maswerte na tayo kung makasungkit ng lumang F-16, MiG, or Kfir

The DND/AFP was/were not mentioned in that news.

but still I think this the proper thread to post this kind of news and OBVIOUSLY from the looks of it I'm trying to say is japan maybe a good source of equipments for the AFP.

his knowledge is what will kill him. the problem with his country is that they have modern equipments. it is just the same problem with us having the old ones :)

http://northborneophilippines.blogspot.com/2011/06/philippine-claim-to-sabah-is-it-time.html

Mat Skodeng's comment is an insult hurled at the philippines and the filipinos...

itong mga hambog na Malaysian at Singaporean na to, panay sandal lang talaga sa mga modern defense equipment nila, hindi nila alam na hindi lang modern equipment ang makakapanalo ng gyera, kundi experience din.. and their armed forces have almost zero experience in combat.. kung itatapat yan sa mga sundalo natin sa laban magmumukhang amateur school boys ang mga yan :lol:

pero para sa atin reverse din, dapat na tayong kumilos towards a modern force, our experience will not always give us an edge sa modern warfare

imagine our AFP, with one of the best combat experiences and hardened soldiers in the Asia-Pacific Region + a modern arsenal = effective deterrent against our external threats

medival style na lang, walang baril, walang sasakyan, walang barko.. patalim laban sa patalim, kamao laban sa kamao!

f16s from the boneyard, piliin nyo mabuti baka matetano kayo nyan,..given we have money to buy f22, they were protected by the fed law for export, f35 nevermind the plane is a mechanical nightmare in terms of design those driveshafts are very unstable like the v22s,..

f16s from the boneyard, piliin nyo mabuti baka matetano kayo nyan,..given we have money to buy f22, they were protected by the fed law for export, f35 nevermind the plane is a mechanical nightmare in terms of design those driveshafts are very unstable like the v22s,..

yup. the federal government presently bans the aircraft from being exported. the f16 on the other hand is still one of the top 4th generation aircraft with proven combat record. sobrang beneficial sa atin yan due to its comparatively easy maintenance compared to other combat aircrraft.

itong mga hambog na Malaysian at Singaporean na to, panay sandal lang talaga sa mga modern defense equipment nila, hindi nila alam na hindi lang modern equipment ang makakapanalo ng gyera, kundi experience din.. and their armed forces have almost zero experience in combat.. kung itatapat yan sa mga sundalo natin sa laban magmumukhang amateur school boys ang mga yan :lol:

pero para sa atin reverse din, dapat na tayong kumilos towards a modern force, our experience will not always give us an edge sa modern warfare

imagine our AFP, with one of the best combat experiences and hardened soldiers in the Asia-Pacific Region + a modern arsenal = effective deterrent against our external threats

Nakalimutan nila na ang puersa satin nung ww2 ay nagdelay ng mga hapon using ww1 and spanish-american war equipement. :lol:

Guys, dapat makontento muna tayo sa mga kaya nating bilhin at alagaan. Before even dreaming of advanced big ticket items.

^^ I agree. Di naman natin kailangan sa ngayon ng mga makabagong gamit. Kailangan muna natin punan ang kakulangan natin sa mga kagamitang pandigma. Kagamitan na hindi naman natin masasabing bago talaga pero hindi naman natin din masasabi na pinaglumaan na ng panahon. Mga kagamitan na may kakayahan na makasabay sa mga makabagong kagamitan na ginagamit ng ibang mga bansa. For example, F16 is not new but has the potential to parallel the capabilities of those aircrafts especially when handled by a skilled pilot.

http://cidg.pnp.gov.ph/NewsPress.htm


November 24, 2011
CIDG-FBI bust Manila hackers group link to JI terrorists
Joint operatives from the Criminal Investigation and Detection Group (CIDG) and the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) have busted a group of Filipino hackers whose operation is allegedly being financed by a Saudi-based terrorist group.

CIDG director, Police Director Samuel D Pagdilao Jr. said that last night’s operation stemmed from the complaint of AT&T, a US-based telecommunication company and the FBI regarding the activities of Filipino hackers who hacked the system of AT&T. The hacking activity resulted to almost $2-million in losses incurred by the company.

Pagdilao said that armed with several search warrants, members of the CIDG’s Anti-Transnational and Cyber Crime Division (ATCCD) and FBI agents struck at several target areas in Metro Manila last night that resulted in the arrests of four suspects and the confiscation of computer and telecommunication equipment believed to be used by the suspects in their hacking activities.

ATCCD chief, Police Senior Superintendent Gilbert Sosa identified the arrested suspects as Macnell Gracilla, 31, a native of Carmen Rosales, Pangasinan and resident of Unit 5, Montiville Place, Greenville Subdivision, Sauyo, Quezon City; Francisco Manalac, 25, and his live-in partner Regina Balura, 21, both of # 89 Sampaguita Extension, East Bagong Barrio, Calooocan City, and Paul Michael Kwan, 29, of # 21 Hebrew St., West Bagong Barrio, Caloocan City.

Sosa added that prior to last night’s arrest of Kwan, the suspect has been arrested in 2007 by Philippine authorities following the international crackdown launched by the FBI against suspected terrorist cells involved in financing terrorist activities.

Sosa said that FBI agents who have been investigating incessant hacking of telecommunication companies in the US and in the country since 1999 have uncovered paper trail of various bank transactions linking the local hackers to the Saudi-based cell whose activities include financing terrorist activities.

Sosa said that in 2007, FBI operatives have arrested Pakistani Jemaah Islamiyah member Muhammad Zamir in Italy. Zamir’s group, who was later tagged by the FBI to be the financial source of the terrorist attack in Mubai, India in November 26, 2008, is also the same group that paid Kwan’s group of hackers in Manila.

Sosa said that Kwan and the other hackers in Manila were being used by the Zamir’s terrorists group to hack the trunk-line (PBX) of different telecommunication companies including the AT&T. Revenues derived from the hacking activities of the Filipino-based hackers were diverted to the account of the terrorists, who paid the Filipino hackers on a commission basis via local banks.

After Zamir’s arrest in 2007, a Saudi-national took helm of the operation of the group, who also maintained its link with the group of Filipino hackers based in Manila.

On March 2011, FBI authorities requested the CIDG-ATCCD assistance after they found out that the group has targeted the AT&T in the US and that the same group of Filipino hackers is involved.

Pagdilao said that the recent arrest of Filipino hackers tied to a group involved in financing terrorist activities should serve as a wake-up call to legislators to speed-up the passage of the Cyber Crime Prevention Bill now pending in Congress in order to address proactively the threat of cyber crime terrorists who have made the country their base of operations.

I find these very alarming. Foreign nationals from South Asia and the Middle East are recruiting Filipinos to sabotage US companies. This will put Filipinos in a bad light even though the masterminds are NOT Filipinos.

Its all about the money.

AT&T is a secured network yet they also became vulnerable to these crackers. That only proves one thing, we also have an edge on cyberwarfare if we really wanted to.

Its all about the money.

AT&T is a secured network yet they also became vulnerable to these crackers. That only proves one thing, we also have an edge on cyberwarfare if we really wanted to.

The talent is there but unfortunately, many Filipinos are blinded by money. Brains like this should be used in securing our systems than trying to break into other countries' systems countries of foreign funds. Maybe, we could sue these talents to break into Chinese system :lol: :lol:

Even if Filipinos are hired as "mercenaries", the choc-blame will be on us rather the the terrorists who fund these.

Our government should really do something on preventing this from happening . Morality aside, playing on the hands of the terrorists will have a negative effect on our country's security in the future. Who knows, if this continues, it will be a leeway on MENA countries in supporting local reds and local Jihadists.
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SO nasan na yung CUH na dapat darating last november?

here sir read this thread. it from timawa.net forum.

http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=13608.795

ano na po ang status ng 1 squadron ng f-16 na balak bilin ng govenment?

ano na po ang status ng 1 squadron ng f-16 na balak bilin ng govenment?

Ayun balak at drawing parin :nuts::nuts::nuts:
Next year pa ililimos ni Pnoy kay Obama pagbisita niya sa white house...

If matuloy yung planned acquisition ng F-16 fighters then it will make sense if makipagdeal ang government sa SoKor regarding sa T-50 jet program nila. sa F-16 naman kasi nakabased yung T-50 program eh.

Imo the M346 is advanced and more cost effective which is important given budget issues while being from the same supplyer of the air forces previous trainers which means an established relationship, given that the air force is acquiring second hand f16 which the m346 can adequately simulate btw could mean that it might procure a different type in the future and it is for that reason that the m346's technological versatility would be a better choice in the long term .

Imo this aircraft or a derivative of it is also more likely to win the USAF trainer competition vs the T50, it has already won in Singapore and originally was also chosen by the UAE but for a slight issue with some other side deals regarding uav's the deal is currently stalled but remains the front runner .

With the likely end of the EADS MEKO jet trainer project as EADS joins with Finmeccanica to pitch the m346 i also think that this aircraft is now the most likely choice for the new combined European/Nato jet trainer program .

So it is possible that basically most of Nato US/EU and Russia ends up using the m346 or it's variants or derivatives as their main trainer aicraft .

http://www.exchange3d.com/images/uploads/aff1441/TEMP1/m346attk2.jpg

http://www.creativecrash.com/system/photos/000/093/306/93306/big/m346attk4.jpg?1274008048

http://www.creativecrash.com/marketplace/3d-models/aircraft/military/fighter/c/m346-striker

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On another issue regarding the F16's i recently read that the Indian Air Force has inadequate shelters for it's SU30MKI so alot of those aircrafts are exposed to harmful weather conditions heat and radiations ... etc .

Ive been to clark back in the day when the USAF was still there as a kid and my dad had friends and contracts with them but i just remember driving through the gates and neighbourhoods and things like that .

So anyway does anyone know what kind of shelters the PAF has that could be used for housing the eventual 12 F16's or will they simply be exposed to the elements aswell ? .

^^They just need to build hangars or underground hangars for our MRF's.

I like that aircraft you posted.

Newest Philippine battleship now in Palawan
By Juancho Mahusay Home Updated December 28, 2011 11:30 AM

PUERTO PRINCESA CITY, Philippines – The Philippine Navy’s newest battleship, Barko ng Republika ng Pilipinas (BRP) Gregorio Del Pilar or PF-15), arrived in Palawan last Tuesday to provide the much needed boost in the maritime defense capabilities in West Philippine Sea.

http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.asp...rticleid=762822 (http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationsubcategoryid=200&articleid=762822)


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BRP Gregorio del Pilar at WPS highseas patrolling around Malampaya Oil Platform:

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Photos courtesy of 6TH CRS-AFP and Mckoyz from PDFF...

Lhat b ng s211 trainer jets ng paf operational??? Kung ndi dpt mgkabudget muna dun bgo bumili ng mga bagong second hand f16 kung mgkataon kse mgiging ningas kugon lgi ndi pa tpos yun problem sa isa kukuha nnmn ng isa pa

^^ ano daw?

^^ Naku, wala tayong translator :lol:

^^ :lol: LOL!!!

Nice job BRP GDP

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This is the new night vision coupled with infra red .

I hope the army creates a special forces night fighting platoon equipped with these, just imagine attacking a rebel camp at night and in complete darkness while the special night forces can see them clearly, it would mean certain death especially if coupled with modern night vision capable attack helicopters .

Reminds me of Predator. That's awesome.

nice Barko ng Republika ng Pilipinas (BRP) Gregorio Del Pilar or PF-15 there, sana magkaroon ng sapat na bilang ng ganitong uri ng battleship for adding up security and defense.

Aside from the fact that the PF-15 is missile-less, it is also partly blind, it doesnt have any Anti-Submarine Warfare and will not be able to identify any submarines underneath nor if there is any, even it's B105 chopper is defenseless to any hostile attacks if ever. This ship will disappear at once if shot by an unmarked torpedo, and may sink rapidly just like what happened to that south korean missile corvette.

Lhat b ng s211 trainer jets ng paf operational??? Kung ndi dpt mgkabudget muna dun bgo bumili ng mga bagong second hand f16 kung mgkataon kse mgiging ningas kugon lgi ndi pa tpos yun problem sa isa kukuha nnmn ng isa pa

please don't use jejemon language. this is a forum and it's free to use the keyboard to your heart's content.

^^They just need to build hangars or underground hangars for our MRF's.

i think Basa Air Base still has their strip of alert hangars available if we procure a squadron of F-16's.

those alert hangars were also used by the former F-8's and F-5's.

please don't use jejemon language. this is a forum and it's free to use the keyboard to your heart's content.

Pasingtabi sayo shortcut words yan malayo sa jejemon mong pinagsasabi... Hindi porket tinaggal ko mga first vowels per word jejemon na... Magsearch ka sa google kung ano yun jejemon mong sinasabi yun ang hindi mo maiintindihan... Matatanggap ko pa kung sinabi mong cellphone text messages words....

Aside from the fact that the PF-15 is missile-less, it is also partly blind, it doesnt have any Anti-Submarine Warfare and will not be able to identify any submarines underneath nor if there is any, even it's B105 chopper is defenseless to any hostile attacks if ever. This ship will disappear at once if shot by an unmarked torpedo, and may sink rapidly just like what happened to that south korean missile corvette.
I think we have more than enough wiz kids who can design for them side scan sonars and bottom scanners. That would be like eating peanuts, IMO. It's better than prowling blind!

^^ For now, lets just pray for BRP Goyong's safe patrolling. Tingin ko naman kaya sya sinabak agad ng hindi pa kumpleto e dahil na rin sa kulang talaga ang kakayahan ng ating mga barkong pandigma na gampanan ang ganyang klaseng misyon. I also think na pagnakakuha pa tayo ng 2 o higit pa na barkong pandigma e muling babalik si Goyong sa baradero para maging isang ganap na mandirigma.

Pasingtabi sayo shortcut words yan malayo sa jejemon mong pinagsasabi... Hindi porket tinaggal ko mga first vowels per word jejemon na... Magsearch ka sa google kung ano yun jejemon mong sinasabi yun ang hindi mo maiintindihan... Matatanggap ko pa kung sinabi mong cellphone text messages words....

what's the difference? if you have basic intuition, you should have known what exactly is my point and that it is not proper etiquette in a professional forum like this.. palusot ka pa, ikaw na nga ang mali eh :nuts: :nuts: :nuts:

we don't even know if the countermeasures of BRP Goyo are in working condition.. they might as well procure affordable MANPADS as an interim solution for AA warfare.. as for the ASW theater, sitting duck talaga sya :ohno:

may radar ba yung BRP gregorio diba kinalas ng US? so what happened to the 2nd class cutter? whats its name ?:nuts:

Aside from the fact that the PF-15 is missile-less, it is also partly blind, it doesnt have any Anti-Submarine Warfare and will not be able to identify any submarines underneath nor if there is any, even it's B105 chopper is defenseless to any hostile attacks if ever. This ship will disappear at once if shot by an unmarked torpedo, and may sink rapidly just like what happened to that south korean missile corvette.


I don't think they have the B105 chopper on board Goyo what i know is PN is still finding a suitable chopper for Goyo that has an ASW capability. Even if Goyo have sonars then we would need to train the people who would operate the sonar on how to detect subs and the next problem is how would they train if we do not have subs available so we could practice to hunt? Hamilton's have hull mounted sonar's before it was removed by USCG. We could start from there is we want to install sonars for Goyo but hull mounted sonars are less effective than a VDS. It looks like our PN have a long way to go before we could have sonars and operate them effectively.

I think we have more than enough wiz kids who can design for them side scan sonars and bottom scanners. That would be like eating peanuts, IMO. It's better than prowling blind!

Having people to design sonars is not a problem IMO but getting the needed technology and the facility to install the sonar is the biggest stumbling block. If its like eating peanuts then our Navy should already have this type of capability a long time ago. Having a military grade hardware is not that easy to procure. Its not like a car that when you need to put something or change some parts that you can just buy it in the mall or any other car shop. You would also need to train the sonar operators on how to detect subs. How could they train to hunt for subs when we do not have subs that we can use to hunt for training purposes.

may radar ba yung BRP gregorio diba kinalas ng US? so what happened to the 2nd class cutter? whats its name ?:nuts:

there's no surface-search radar.. it only has a navigational radar and of course the fire-control electronics for the 76mm Oto Melara main gun.

Wala lang. Na-amused lang sa title.Buddy, Can You Spare A Few Used F-16s?

December 16, 2011: The Philippines is asking the U.S. for some used F-16 jet fighters. The Philippines is b (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20111216.aspx)roke so the proposed deal is for free F-16s with the Philippines paying for any upgrades or modifications needed for service in the Philippines Air Force. Normally, the Philippines has no practical need for a jet fighter force. But this has changed because of possible clashes with China. The Filipinos are being practical...

More like - Ninong, can we have f-16s?

Wala lang. Na-amused lang sa title.
More like - Ninong, can we have f-16s?

Ninong, Kuya, "angkel"(Uncle)...puede pa, pero buddy? :lol::lol: siguro kung Indonesia at Thailand, puede pa, pero "Big Bro"? :lol:

A failed sarcasm from the writer. :)


"The Philippines is broke so the proposed deal is for free F-16s with the Philippines paying for any upgrades or modifications needed for service in the Philippines Air Force."


If we really are broke, we will force the Americans to give the F16s absolutely free. And the "but wait theres more" catch.... just like Home Shopping Network. :)

I guess we just dont have much because of the not so obvious rampant corruption from the previous governments. (a failed sarcasm on my part too :) )

who says we're broke? :lol: we have $76-B in foreign reserves kaya :lol:

Ninong, Kuya, "angkel"(Uncle)...puede pa, pero buddy? :lol::lol: siguro kung Indonesia at Thailand, puede pa, pero "Big Bro"? :lol:

Tsk dapat tau ang "MAS" at spoiled ni uncle Sam sa mga kagamitan being a former colony, eh madalas halos moral support nalang haha hihi ^^

Tsk dapat tau ang "MAS" at spoiled ni uncle Sam sa mga kagamitan being a former colony, eh madalas halos moral support nalang haha hihi ^^

okay lang yan, hanggang moral support lang tayo(at saka iniwan din natin sila sa ere)...dapat MDT eh ibig sabihin eh "Moral(support) defense treaty :lol::lol: or dapat maging MST - moral support treaty :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Tsk dapat tau ang "MAS" at spoiled ni uncle Sam sa mga kagamitan being a former colony, eh madalas halos moral support nalang haha hihi ^^

Spoiled na tayo. Yung modernization lang, dapat 10 years ago pa yan. Instead, patulog-tulog lang at hinayang mapunta ang pork sa ibang bagay.
Tutal nandyan pa naman si Angkel nagbibisita eh.:nuts:
Tapos itong mga noypis naman, pag may Sendong o Ondoy, una pang tatawagin ang US navy kung saan/:nuts::lol:

List of Banned Firecrackers (Paputok) in the Philippines (http://www.mukamo.com/list-of-banned-firecrackers-paputok-philippines/)

December 30th, 2011 Here is the latest list of banned firecrackers or paputok in the Philippines:

1. Pacquiao – bigger and more powerful than the piccolo
2. Goodbye Gloria – is said to be able to shut off street lamps and shatter glass windows
3. Ampatuan – more powerful than pla-pla
4. Trillanes – a 16-inch long cylindrical explosive
5. Bin Laden – a powerful baby dynamite
6. Goodbye Philippines – a giant triangular firecracker which can reportedly shatter a wall.
7. Goodbye Earth – triple the size of an ordinary five-star.
8. Goodbye Universe – as large as a bucket of chicken sold at KFC
9. Watusi
10. Piccolo, Super Lolo, Lolo Thunder and Big Judah’s Belt


Hayzz. Magload na lang tayo ng maraming paputok sa mga PN ships at pang augment sa supplies ng mga sundalo.

teke ano na nga pala balita sa 2nd hamilton cutter and news?..when?...

we don't even know if the countermeasures of BRP Goyo are in working condition.. they might as well procure affordable MANPADS as an interim solution for AA warfare.. as for the ASW theater, sitting duck talaga sya :ohno:

They (countermeasures) are working fine, they've been tested during crew training.

may radar ba yung BRP gregorio diba kinalas ng US? so what happened to the 2nd class cutter? whats its name ?:nuts:

Yes, the Mk92 FCS has a surface and air search radar.

I don't think they have the B105 chopper on board Goyo what i know is PN is still finding a suitable chopper for Goyo that has an ASW capability. Even if Goyo have sonars then we would need to train the people who would operate the sonar on how to detect subs and the next problem is how would they train if we do not have subs available so we could practice to hunt? Hamilton's have hull mounted sonar's before it was removed by USCG. We could start from there is we want to install sonars for Goyo but hull mounted sonars are less effective than a VDS. It looks like our PN have a long way to go before we could have sonars and operate them effectively.

The BO-105 will be the helicopter of BRP Gregorio Del Pilar.

there's no surface-search radar.. it only has a navigational radar and of course the fire-control electronics for the 76mm Oto Melara main gun.

There is! Built-in the Mk92 FCS. Also, a navigational radar is considered a surface-search radar.

who says we're broke? :lol: we have $76-B in foreign reserves kaya :lol:

Philippine foreign debt rises to $62.4B at end-Sept (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/12/29/11/philippine-foreign-debt-rises-624b-end-sept) :lol: :lol: :lol:

^^They just need to build hangars or underground hangars for our MRF's.

I like that aircraft you posted.

It's the Alenia Aermacchi M-346 LCA version.

I don't think they have the B105 chopper on board Goyo

It's the only likely aircraft from where the photo was taken from, the BO105 is also used by other navies altho of course it is a light helicopter and the one's in service aren't really outfitted fo asw ... .

Hayzz. Magload na lang tayo ng maraming paputok sa mga PN ships at pang augment sa supplies ng mga sundalo.

^^ goodbye philippines n lng ibala natin sa cannon ng mga BRP naten.. :lol:

Wala lang. Na-amused lang sa title.
More like - Ninong, can we have f-16s?

Oh boy i suddenly remembered how a US senator describes our govt's foreign policy. We have a mendicant policy. Puro hingi, palibre, arbor in short pulubi.

small ot lang hehehe...

SSC pips, please help us on our thesis by answering the survey about transit systems; anyone can answer since our target respondents are from the general public...

Applicability of Unconventional Transit Systems in selected Metropolitan Areas in the Philippines (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=en_US&formkey=dGVHX3pqRnJEV2NLeUJlN2ZXNkVON3c6MQ#gid=0)

thanks in advance! :D

Btw, guys HAPPY NEW YEAR sa inyo dyan...
From the safety of Uncle Sam's lair:lol:http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-taunt014.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Around 40 pct of U.S. war costs is being funded through foreign loans, and the interest rate alone will make things difficult for the country. In addition, war costs are passed on to the sheeple, with corporations (esp. foreign and multinational) profiting from police control, and the military getting its hardware, of course.

^^That is what they call Military-Industrial complex, the industrial part gaining more. I think what the US should so is to have a subdepartment that will do the R&D and all that stuff. The US Defense have many talented engineers and scientist that can displace the private companies.

:ohno:

I have read some articles that the US purchase parts from China (of course, through the private companies that supply their hardwares). Looks like that the US is turning blind to the possibility of Chinese companies sabotaging the US Military.

Esep esep, kuya!

^^That is what they call Military-Industrial complex, the industrial part gaining more. I think what the US should so is to have a subdepartment that will do the R&D and all that stuff. The US Defense have many talented engineers and scientist that can displace the private companies.

:ohno:

I have read some articles that the US purchase parts from China (of course, through the private companies that supply their hardwares). Looks like that the US is turning blind to the possibility of Chinese companies sabotaging the US Military.

Esep esep, kuya!

I read that too. The little ones, of course. It's not the really essential parts come from China. Though many slip unnoticed. What worries me are the drones since they're more hi-tech.

Around 40 pct of U.S. war costs is being funded through foreign loans, and the interest rate alone will make things difficult for the country. In addition, war costs are passed on to the sheeple, with corporations (esp. foreign and multinational) profiting from police control, and the military getting its hardware, of course.

This reminds me of this, though.


The US is spending about $10 billion a month on Iraq and Afghanistan (http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0116/p01s01-usfp.html). By the end of this year, the total funds appropriated will be nearly $600 billion – approaching the amount spent on the Vietnam or Korean wars, when adjusted for inflation.

However, the actual impact of the war on the economy is different than in the past, largely because the US economy is so much bigger now. During World War II, some analysts calculate that the US spent as much as 30 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) on the war effort. The Korean War, at its spending peak in 1953, represented 14 percent of GDP; Vietnam was about 9 percent. The current war, however, is less than 1 percent of America's annual $13 trillion GDP...

DND orders military to look into possible acquisition of anti-ship weapons

MANILA, Philippines - The Department of National Defense (DND) has ordered the military to look into the possibility of acquiring anti-ship weapons and beef up its maritime surveillance capability.

In its planning guidance for 2013 to 2018, the DND said maritime security is challenged by traditional concerns like safeguarding the Kalayaan Island Group and non-traditional concerns like terrorism, smuggling, piracy and human and drug trafficking.

Read more http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=763897&publicationSubCategoryId=63

^^ onshore missile batteries are welcome, but it will only be good for littoral combat.. much more worse if it's unguided.. sana unahin nila ship-based missiles kasi kawawa mga barko natin at mga sundalo.. nasa open sea ang kalaban at highly-mobile pa

“The Program 1 Resource Manager shall study the possibility and merits of acquiring a capability for delivering anti-ship weapons up to a range of about 100 miles through shore-based mobile missile batteries in the long term,”


Install this on islands in Spratley's under Philippines' control at the same time we acquire the F16s and based them near Palawan. :) I am just wondering what our Uncle Hu will do. Maybe he will cry and make himself looks like a victim again.

Nag-iisa lang ba ang BRP Goyo sa Palawan?

Install this on islands in Spratley's under Philippines' control at the same time we acquire the F16s and based them near Palawan. :) I am just wondering what our Uncle Hu will do. Maybe he will cry and make himself looks like a victim again.
He will cry we "invaded" their UN unrecognized "territory" :lol:

You will never make china cry

its 2012 now and the Sokol Helicopters of the Philippine Army arent still there. what happened? wrong delivery?, they shouldve been delivered as of by now :ohno:

Nag-iisa lang ba ang BRP Goyo sa Palawan?

there's a dedicated naval base at Ulugan Bay in Palawan, so she's never alone.. a Jacinto-class corvette, a Rizal-class corvette, an LST, and several smaller patrol boats are usually stationed there anytime of the year on rotating sovereignty patrols.. the Rajah Humabon also spends considerable amount of time around Palawan

The Department of National Defense (DND) wants to reduce the number of infantry and marine battalions in the next few years as the military moves towards enhancing its territorial defense capability.

Documents obtained by The STAR show that the Army infantry battalions would be reduced to 81 this year from 85 in 2011. The number of active duty battalions would be slashed gradually in the succeeding years until it reaches 54 in 2018.

The number of infantry brigade headquarters would be cut to 27 this year from 31 last year. It would be reduced further in the succeeding years until it reaches 18 in 2015.

On the other hand, the number of infantry divisions would be reduced to nine this year from 10 last year. The number of divisions would be down to six by 2015.

The DND plan, however, seeks to form two battalions for Rapid Deployment Forces by 2015. It also wants to create one infantry battalion for peacekeeping operations this year.

DND said the personnel and equipment from the units to be deactivated would be reapplied to other priorities like filling up the needs of remaining forces.

The marine battalions would also be reduced to 10 this year from 12 last year. Only nine marine battalions would be retained in 2013.

However, a marine battalion would be formed and would undergo retraining this year while another one would be created for peacekeeping tasks next year.

Even the military’s elite forces would be covered by the restructuring plan.

The DND has asked the military to submit a plan to ensure the smooth implementation of the restructuring program.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=764133&publicationSubCategoryId=63
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It is at least a good start in the right direction if they get their way, ive always said that reforms would require streamlining the composition of the military for national defence purposes .

The army needs to shrink the bureaucracy and pencil pusher division also need fewer generals etc, they need to create smaller but better equipped and trained forces and introduce more efficiency through technology .

What i think should be increased tho or created are the marines, paratroop ( i know there is barely a c130 to jump from currently ) and other highly mobile forces .

They need to invest in man portable anti air and anti tank missile kits for the troops and introduce more tech in general following in the footsteps of regional neighbours such as Singapore in order to improve battlefield awareness .

A good way to maintain some numbers is to create some kind of parallel "home guard army" composed by conscription of the youth to perform national service for a year or so, they will be basic soldiers used to do light support tasks and participate in construction, disaster relief or goodwill missions and not frontline warfare .

It is a vast topic which perhaps illustrates what a huge task lies ahead for the PAF in order to defend the country in the modern age .

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Anti ship either Excocet or RBS15's which can be based on either land, aircraft or naval vessels, it can also be used as a type of cruise missile against land targets not just ships .

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Surveillance and anti ship id say the Erieye system will be sufficient to create a modern integrated surveillance system that can cover the west Phillippine sea .

You will never make china cry

Right. She doesn't cry. She intimidates, accuses, bullies and bribes instead.:)

Spoiled na tayo. Yung modernization lang, dapat 10 years ago pa yan. Instead, patulog-tulog lang at hinayang mapunta ang pork sa ibang bagay.
Tutal nandyan pa naman si Angkel nagbibisita eh.:nuts:
Tapos itong mga noypis naman, pag may Sendong o Ondoy, una pang tatawagin ang US navy kung saan/:nuts::lol:



Hayzz. Magload na lang tayo ng maraming paputok sa mga PN ships at pang augment sa supplies ng mga sundalo.

^^
hehe ayos yung mga first five names ng mga banned na paputok...lakas ng impact. :rofl:

bakit nila need bawasan ng battalions ang armed forces natin eh ang dami pang internal threats nandyan ang NPA, ASG, MILF, BIFF, Pentagon at marami pang low lesselements plus private armies... and kung balak nilang palakasin ang external defense it should start with the right manpower... ang dapat buwagin ng DND yun CAFGU... anu sa tingin nyo???

^^ Para maging sufficient yung amount ng armas na i-aacquire ng militar sa bilang ng mga sundalo sa sandatahan. Mabuti na yung medyo bawasan basta't yung natitira ay may mas kalidad na armas at mas organisado. Sa ganun, mas madaling depensahan ang bansa from both external and internal defense. Nothing beats a good strategy and organization. Modern wars are not won by the number of soldiers. Filipino kicked Chinese ass in Yultong bridge and Hill Eerie despite the superior number of Red Army soldiers on the offensive.

Tama ^^


A large army is always disorderly.
-Marcus Tullius Cicero

Tama ^^

with a huge and growing population... sad to say that we are one of the smallest militaries in the world already... the insurgency problem is still the main threat here, we should increase our forces and modernize it. :cheers:

I agree, But I think the size of our armed forces is sufficient enough to protect the whole archipelago. we just need to modernize it. look at japan they maybe a small army but they are well equipped with modern weapons, ships and tanks.

with a huge and growing population... sad to say that we are one of the smallest militaries in the world already... the insurgency problem is still the main threat here, we should increase our forces and modernize it. :cheers:

We'll come to that point. But what is top priority right now is to have a stable and modern army. Our defense budget is the constraint, thus, we are to achieve the goal based on the resources that we have. And our current defense spending will only enable us to maintain a smaller force than what we have now.

Expansion is not yet a good thing for the AFP, we still need to build up what our small forces CAN DO and later start to EXPAND it when we already can. This is still a good step to having a modern armed forces for the Philippines.

A compact, well equipped, deadly, and fast deploy force. I think this is lethal and effective.

It is a question of where to increase and where to cut but the army definetely needs streamlining and efficiency, the navy and air forces and marines imo are the groups that need expansion with regards external defence as there will be a need for crews to man new surveillance aircraft anti ship and anti aircraft missile batteries or new ships like submarines .

The issue regarding insurgencies well i think that at the moment both the army and the various rebel groups are more or less fighting on a level playing field as the army barely has Vietnam war era tech, modernising the forces with new equipment from night vision for the troops to heavy armour self propelled artilery and new modern attack helicopters and aircraft would make overt conflict suicidal for rebels .

Just look at Iraq or Afghanistan the type of attrition the insurgents there were suffering would be unsustainable for the milf or npa etc ..., at the moment they can hide under the cover of night and the forests and fortified locations all of these would be impossible with modern tech .

The insurgency also needs to be tackled by a combination of other means such as economic development and increasing the presence of "civilisation", increase the numbers of police and national police forces in rural towns and villages and definetely get their financial system under control, i mean where do they get their funds how do they transfer them and why are they allowed to do so ? .

Just like any other organisation imo cut off the money supply and it will grind to a halt as i doubt that most of their fighters are actually that hardcore that they would endure severe deprivation for an ideological cause, i think alot of them nowadays join these groups because of economic and social reasons and if the milf/npa etc can no longer pay or feed, house or supply them that they will pack up and leave .

And this is where economic development comes into play by giving those men an alternative employment or means of living .

But i think that in the end of the day what is good for external defence ie modern tech would prove to be just as useful and probably more decisive in fighting the internal threats, imo it's not an either or because you can't say that an apache gunship which can be useful against say invading tanks can't be used against insurgents aswell, or for that matter F16's which aside from patroling airspace can also be used to carry more bombs than Bronco's against insurgents .

if the insurgency problem is solved, we can trim down the Army and increase the Navy (including Marines) and the Air Force to promote balance in the AFP's units.

with the Army cut back, the PNP should be increased as they will acquire a greater role in maintaining internal security, as the AFP focuses its attention on territorial defense.

Just like Great Britain. the Philippines is and island nation. It is both an advantage and a disadvantage. It is a matter of properly prioritizing which branches of the military is more suited for Philippine geographical features. The hint is there, we are an island nation and just like the British Empire, our niche will have to be on both the PN and PAF. Before we can ever expect an encounter with the ground troops and our enemy divisions, the first thing will be if they will be able to neutralize our naval and aerial machine.

An invasion of the Philippines is impossible without neutralizing our air force and our navy, this is our advantage as a nation shielded by an ocean, before they can even land on Philippine soil, they'll have to beat us on the sea. The Wehrmacht wasn't able to invade England because the Royal Air Force was able to maintain the aerial security of Great Britain. The same thing goes for us. Our external adversaries wouldn't even think of landing troops in this country if we have a formidable Navy and Air Force.

So, the areas that needs to be prioritized are the PAF and PN, more ships and aircrafts and more men. Build up defenses in WPS, we have 'unsinkable' aircraft carriers at our disposal, it is only a matter of proper and wise use of such advantages. The higher ups of the military should be well aware of this. Hopefully, we will have a Navy the size as the Royal Navy's Home Fleet in 10 years or so. And an air force that can make sure that no enemy aircraft will ever fly on Philippine airspace.

Just like Great Britain. the Philippines is and island nation. It is both an advantage and a disadvantage. It is a matter of properly prioritizing which branches of the military is more suited for Philippine geographical features. The hint is there, we are an island nation and just like the British Empire, our niche will have to be on both the PN and PAF. Before we can ever expect an encounter with the ground troops and our enemy divisions, the first thing will be if they will be able to neutralize our naval and aerial machine.

An invasion of the Philippines is impossible without neutralizing our air force and our navy, this is our advantage as a nation shielded by an ocean, before they can even land on Philippine soil, they'll have to beat us on the sea. The Wehrmacht wasn't able to invade England because the Royal Air Force was able to maintain the aerial security of Great Britain. The same thing goes for us. Our external adversaries wouldn't even think of landing troops in this country if we have a formidable Navy and Air Force.

So, the areas that needs to be prioritized are the PAF and PN, more ships and aircrafts and more men. Build up defenses in WPS, we have 'unsinkable' aircraft carriers at our disposal, it is only a matter of proper and wise use of such advantages. The higher ups of the military should be well aware of this. Hopefully, we will have a Navy the size as the Royal Navy's Home Fleet in 10 years or so. And an air force that can make sure that no enemy aircraft will ever fly on Philippine airspace.
Great Britain used to be accessible by ship and plane before. Now it is linked to the European mainland via Calais (Coquelles, Pas-de-Calais, France) and Dover (exact point is Folkestone, Kent, United Kingdom) channel tunnel. It is safer to say "GB was like the Philippines before".

Great Britain used to be accessible by ship and plane before. Now it is linked to the European mainland via Calais (Coquelles, Pas-de-Calais, France) and Dover (exact point is Folkestone, Kent, United Kingdom) channel tunnel. It is safer to say "GB was like the Philippines before".

Until you make that channel a solid line in Great Britain's and world map, it will still and will always be an island nation. It is still and will always be accessible by ship and plane. You can change or do something about its accessibility to mainland Europe but not on its geography. :)

Great Britain used to be accessible by ship and plane before. Now it is linked to the European mainland via Calais (Coquelles, Pas-de-Calais, France) and Dover (exact point is Folkestone, Kent, United Kingdom) channel tunnel. It is safer to say "GB was like the Philippines before".

In times of war, undersea tunnels will become a risk to cross especially when you move ultra-heavy tanks that can bulldoze asphalt and destroy concrete roads. It is also easier for the British land forces to defend these 'narrow' cleavages in the access for enemy land forces. Thus, more impetus is still needed for both its Naval and Aerial forces since the 'only' way for a 'massive' invasion on an island nation would be through sea and control of the airspace.

In times of war, undersea tunnels will become a risk to cross especially when you move ultra-heavy tanks that can bulldoze asphalt and destroy concrete roads. It is also easier for the British land forces to defend these 'narrow' cleavages in the access for enemy land forces. Thus, more impetus is still needed for both its Naval and Aerial forces since the 'only' way for a 'massive' invasion on an island nation would be through sea and control of the airspace.
All possibilities considered, UK is never the same as before, and that's a fact!

You said "in times of war, undersea tunnels will be become a risk to cross"! What else is not at risk during war? Besides, take note that we are not talking about a single tunnel here. We are talking about three parallel tunnels, side tunnels for the high-speed trains and the center tunnel intended as service tunnel. And you can do a lot of things in those three tunnels.

Wars will never be fought the way it was. Operations Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom were two recent examples. If you want, try and study the uav war fought inside the mountains of Pakistan and Afghanistan! Our country will be best defended by way of stand-alone pockets of defensive posts that should be coordinating with each other, IMHO.

^^ They can just position all the guns and cannons in the exit of these tunnels. No enemy would ever attempt to send forces into a narrow and well defended passage like those. To be able to transport a massive invasion force into an island, the way you can go for are the ports and the beaches which will be too dangerous especially if the defending air force can easily sink transport ships crossing the channel or in the case of the Philippines, ocean.

One thing too, PHL is not just merely one island nation, it is an archipelago, and occupying it is another thing. A lightning conquest will not work in a well-defended and well-fortified Philippine archipelago. The Japanese, despite seizing Manila was never able to control the rural areas of the Philippines. Each island is a fortress but we must prioritize those that are in our seaboard side. Facing the vast oceans. Place a large string of fortifications more like our version of the Maginot Line or the Atlantic Wall. We have pockets of seas but these can be easily defended if we have a large naval armada that can easily go into these narrow entries and block the enemy from advancing deep into Philippine territory. A real ground fight will only happen if and only if the enemy will be successful in neutralizing both the Air Force and the navy which are the main obstacles to any invasion of the country. We can build missile silos on islands that are close to enemy territory like Batanes and Tawi-Tawi (I don't trust Malaysia that much).

even a sizable dropping of paratroopers successfully slipping from a gauntlet of MRF's is enough to inflict severe damage and swift invasion of our country.. so stop talking that the only way in is to destroy the Navy and Air Force first

I doubt it'll happen if we have modern MRF's to begin with and that's suicide. ^^

If I were the enemy I wouldn't take the risk to drop paratroopers on an island nation heavily defended by fighters on air, that's just plain stupid without annihilating the Air Force.

war in this new era is always with the intervention of the US, the attack will came from US and it's allies, no countries will invade one another as it was before

and only one thing will happen again....

no war in the US land will be

they learned when they where attacked by britain, they won that war, they cross the atlantic, they captured the buckingham's royalties and the creation of monroe doctrine
"america is for americans"

read the past and it will guide you to the future

Japan is a better example to follow since it is more similar in terms of being a widespread archipelago while Britain is also closer to the mainland whitin visual distance, the Phillippines like Japan is relatively far from the mainlands which makes invasions more difficult .

Any isolated paratroop or other forces making it through somehow and landing could probably cause some damage but they wouldn't be enough to occupy the country and would likely be doomed as they would be cut off from support and supplies .

In the Phillippines case invading it would require a massive amphibious and airlift force the good news is only the US or friendly nations have such capability in abundance, China might have some of it but having a decent navy equipped with anti ship missiles and submarines and air forces would be sufficient to keep them at bay .

Remember the difference in distance between the Phillippine islands and the mainlands as opposed to Taiwan or Britain which means that such invasions would require massive efforts to sustain and would be more risky than the already risky task of crossing a straight or channel .

china's current force could not win even the state of california force
the pentagon has a ratio of 4 nation to 1 state in times US would become the enemy of the world

the biggest,largest,greatest threat is not china,iran,venezuela,cuba but the FATHER ITSELF

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

the world power is just 1/3 of US power

but again the father said, no more world war, if it happens,it's the end of it

Japan is a better example to follow since it is more similar in terms of being a widespread archipelago while Britain is also closer to the mainland whitin visual distance, the Phillippines like Japan is relatively far from the mainlands which makes invasions more difficult .

Any isolated paratroop or other forces making it through somehow and landing could probably cause some damage but they wouldn't be enough to occupy the country and would likely be doomed as they would be cut off from support and supplies .

In the Phillippines case invading it would require a massive amphibious and airlift force the good news is only the US or friendly nations have such capability in abundance, China might have some of it but having a decent navy equipped with anti ship missiles and submarines and air forces would be sufficient to keep them at bay .

Remember the difference in distance between the Phillippine islands and the mainlands as opposed to Taiwan or Britain which means that such invasions would require massive efforts to sustain and would be more risky than the already risky task of crossing a straight or channel .
Yep. Attacking and inflicting damage cannot be removed from the possibilities. It is another thing when foreign invaders try to "occupy"the land.

china's current force could not win even the state of california force
the pentagon has a ratio of 4 nation to 1 state in times US would become the enemy of the world

the biggest,largest,greatest threat is not china,iran,venezuela,cuba but the FATHER ITSELF

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

the world power is just 1/3 of US power

but again the father said, no more world war, if it happens,it's the end of it

Yes our evil father, our tatay-tatayan that convenienntly throws financial and military aid around for it's own interests that it's equally evil and spoiled stepchild has no problems gobbling up and asking for more:nuts:

I would like to see you lefties on the frontline in Spratlys and in Mindanao. Show how much more capable and noble you are than our evil tatay and best of all, willing to defend the Philippines' honor from threats.

A well fed, well equipped, and super trained anti-terrorrist special forces of 300 should be enough to uproot all these terrorrists hiding at their basements.

The AFP seem to be heading in a right direction of focusing with more capable fighting forces than adding more troops that are ill-equipped and ill-trained.

Yes our evil father, our tatay-tatayan that convenienntly throws financial and military aid around for it's own interests that it's equally evil and spoiled stepchild has no problems gobbling up and asking for more:nuts:

I would like to see you lefties on the frontline in Spratlys and in Mindanao. Show how much more capable and noble you are than our evil tatay and best of all, willing to defend the Philippines' honor from threats.

In short......

Like father like child :lol::lol:

Prodigal child ba kumbaga...palalayasin si tatay-tatayan, irereklamo ang VFA, sabay kapag anjan na yung kapitbahay na hambog, sumbong at hingi ng tulong kay tatay... :lol:

^^ spoiled brat indeed. :) hahahaha but i firmly believe that worst comes to worst, Philippines will not leave US sides once it directly calls for our help. As Filipinos, it is in our nature to play around and poke things around but when tight time comes, we are loyal to our friends as we are to our families and country. And United States knows that very well.

In short......

Like father like child :lol::lol:

Prodigal child ba kumbaga...palalayasin si tatay-tatayan, irereklamo ang VFA, sabay kapag anjan na yung kapitbahay na hambog, sumbong at hingi ng tulong kay tatay... :lol:

Ang hirap naman daw kasi mag-isa. Kailangan si Tatay para magkatay ng manok. Tumanda na't lahat ayaw pa rin matuto kumatay ng manok. At magsaing.:nuts:
Pero madali lang magutang para sa bagong iPhone,psp, xbox!:lol:

spoiled brat indeed. hahahaha but i firmly believe that worst comes to worst, Philippines will not leave Tatay's sides once it directly calls for our help. As Filipinos, it is in our nature to play around and poke things around but when tight time comes, we are loyal to our friends as we are to our families and country. And United States knows that very well.
Fixed:lol:
Pano kung may baril yung bully tapos sa kanya watergun lang? Tapos bigla syang na-hostage (oops, pun intended):lol:
Sharp-shooter kaya si Tatay? O baka naman ilaan na lang nya sa mga negotiators.:lol:
Btw, I would love to see this something like this happen in Aquino's term. Para makita natin yung statements nya.
Hehe. Biro lang. Alam naman na prodigal adopted child ang Pinas. Like all infantile brats, they rebel but secretly still love their parent's comfort:lol::nuts:

Ang hirap naman daw kasi mag-isa. Kailangan si Tatay para magkatay ng manok. Tumanda na't lahat ayaw pa rin matuto kumatay ng manok. At magsaing.:nuts:
Pero madali lang magutang para sa bagong iPhone,psp, xbox!:lol:


Fixed:lol:
Pano kung may baril yung bully tapos sa kanya watergun lang? Tapos bigla syang na-hostage (oops, pun intended):lol:
Sharp-shooter kaya si Tatay? O baka naman ilaan na lang nya sa mga negotiators.:lol:
Btw, I would love to see this something like this happen in Aquino's term. Para makita natin yung statements nya.
Hehe. Biro lang. Alam naman na prodigal adopted child ang Pinas. Like all infantile brats, they rebel but secretly still love their parent's comfort:lol::nuts:


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^^ :D

^^Sabi ni Erap nun we are known as a nation of beggars and cheats, if we don't vote out the bases, we'll be a nation of cowards.

Years later...

crickets chirp:rofl:

A longtime opponent of the bases (http://articles.latimes.com/1990-09-25/news/wr-1244_1_american-philippine), Leticia Ramos Shahani, chairwoman of the Philippine Senate Foreign Relations Committee, recalled over lunch recently how she cried as a 14-year-old girl when the U.S. flag finally came down. Suddenly misty-eyed again, she began singing "God Bless America," warbling more verses than her American guest knew.

"People are so obsessed with Mother America," Shahani said later. "Even though America has so many other interests."...

:rofl: Wawa naman ang baby May separation anxiety ata... :rofl:

^^Sabi ni Erap nun we are known as a nation of beggars and cheats, if we don't vote out the bases, we'll be a nation of cowards.

Years later...

crickets chirp:rofl:



:rofl: Wawa naman ang baby.. :rofl:

Sino ngayon ang tinatakbuhan ng mga nagvote out sa bases ngayon nandyan ang magnanakaw? Si tatay, sino pa :lol::lol::lol:

A well fed, well equipped, and super trained anti-terrorrist special forces of 300 should be enough to uproot all these terrorrists hiding at their basements.

The AFP seem to be heading in a right direction of focusing with more capable fighting forces than adding more troops that are ill-equipped and ill-trained.

we still need men on the ground... even if you send the most equipped soldiers in the battlefield, if theyre not familiar with the terrain... walop parin yan! (wat happend in Bohol and Basilan nagrelax yung super trained natin) we need CMO and Intel from the roots, sleep with the enemy, you have to experience the field para malaman mu yourself what we really need...

we have a well trained army... what we need are modern equipment and resources mga bai... we also need to train our marines more on CMO and intel, kaya nawawalop masyadong mayabang pagdating sa Jolo kung maka.asta parang ang tagal na dun at familiar sa bundok, masyadong conventional sa hiway pa dumadaan, puro tapang minsan di na gagamit ang ulo... :cheers:

^^
sana kapag nasuotan ng mga modernong kagamitan, hindi sila maging kampante bagkus dapat laging alerto :)

mukhang tahimik na ang investigation sa mga magnanakaw ng AFP Generals ah. tsk tsk. Madame Ligot...kelan ka malalagot.

DOJ OKs plunder raps vs 2 ex-AFP chiefs, 9 others
by Ina Reformina, ABS-CBN News
Posted at 01/05/2012 2:08 PM | Updated as of 01/05/2012 5:24 PM
MANILA, Philippines (1st UPDATE) - The Department of Justice (DOJ) on Thursday recommended the filing of plunder raps against 11 retired and active military officers, including 2 former Armed Forces chiefs of staff, for their alleged involvement in military fund anomalies.

Recommended to be charged with plunder are former chiefs of staff Diomedio Villanueva and Roy Cimatu, former military comptrollers Carlos Garcia and Jacinto Ligot; and Divina Cabrera, resident auditor for the Intelligence Service of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (ISAFP) for the past 13 years.

Also to face plunder raps are former Brig. Gen. Benito de Leon, Col. Cirilo Tomas Donato, Lt. Col. Erenstom Paranis, Generoso del Castillo, former chief accountant of OJ6 (office of the AFP deputy chief of staff for comptrollership); Maj. Gen. Hilario Atendido (ret.), and Col. Roy Devesa.

The DOJ panel, chaired by Prosecutor General Claro Arellano, with members Senior Assistant State Prosecutor Susan Dacanay and City Prosecutor Archimedes Manabat, found probable cause to believe that respondents were able to convert AFP funds to purposes different from their original allotment, some of which were funneled to personal or unofficial use.

"In the instant case, complainant's grandiose illustration of the 'rampant irregularities in the AFP,' relative to the malversation, misuse, and misappropriation of its funds, appears to have a semblance of truth... we are convinced that the AFP's budget had been plundered during the period stated by the complainant," the resolution read.

In his complaint, former military budget officer George Rabusa Rabusa claimed that plunder was committed by respondents through 3 schemes:

1) conversion of funds in the Office of the Chief of Staff through the Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Comptrollership and Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence;

2) conversion through the so-called "Operating Program and Budget (OPB)" and "Provisions for Control Directed Activities (PCDA)";

3) "Return to Sender" process where the fund would be converted to cash for a fee through procurement offices.1

11 others absolved

For insufficiency of evidence, the DOJ absolved the following

-former AFP Chief of Staff Efren Abu
-Lt. Gen. Gaudencio Pangilinan (retired)
-Maj. Gen. Epineto Logivo (retired)
-Maj. Gen. Ernesto Boac (retired)

-Col. Gilbert Gapay
-Col. Robert Arevalo
-Maj. Emerson Angulo
-Capt. Kenneth Paglinawan

-Arturo Besana (former AFP General Headquarters resident auditor)
-Crisanto Gabriel (former AFP GHQ resident auditor)
-Manuel Warren (former AFP GHQ resident auditor)

The DOJ resolution is dated Jan. 3, 2012.

Justice Secretary Leila de Lima said the findings/resolution will be forwarded to the Office of the Ombudsman for evaluation.

"It is the Ombudsman who has the discretion and the authority to file those charges with the Sandiganbayan," she said.

Rabusa's plunder complaint

Rabusa earlier filed the plunder complaint against three former Armed Forces chiefs of staff, four retired generals and 10 other people for their alleged involvement in military fund anomalies.

The 87-page complaint filed in April 2010 and amended 2 months later to include more respondents detailed the alleged conversion of some P1.5 billion in AFP funds through the Special Allotment Release Orders
(SARO) that the comptroller's office processed and turned over to the chiefs of staff for their disposal or 'as they pleased'. Most of these funds were reportedly unaudited.

Rabusa bared the questionable practice of maintaining slush funds through the so-called Operating Program and Budget (OPB) and the Provisions for Command-Directed Activities (PCDA).

He said this is in violation of Republic Act No. 7080 (“An Act Defining and Penalizing the Crime of Plunder”), as amended, committed as far back as 1994 and chiefly between the period January 1993 to 2004.

Rabusa was designated as the Chief Budget and Fiscal Division or “Budget Officer” in the Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence, J2 (OJ2) from 1994 to 1998, and as Chief Budget Operation Division, BOD, or Budget officer, Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Comptrollership, J6 (OJ6) from January 6, 2000 to July 16 2002. It is in this capacity that he has personal knowledge of the rampant irregularities in the military establishment.



This is where all the money went - corruption!!!!! I hope after all the cases have been filed and the perpetrators imprisoned the modernization of the military will carry on. Let us support Pres. Noynoy Aquino battle corruption & help our armed forces modernization.

Philippines to Re-Focus on Territorial Defence in 2012...

The AFP will shift it's priorities from counter insurgency operations to defending the nations territorial integrity in 2012, a military spokesperson said ...

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/philippines-to-re-focus-on-territorial-defence-366502/

^^ that's better... inside insurgencies can be tackled, but foreign?? i dont think so.. :D

now we are talking. :)

Philippines to Re-Focus on Territorial Defence in 2012...

The AFP will shift it's priorities from counter insurgency operations to defending the nations territorial integrity in 2012, a military spokesperson said ...

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/philippines-to-re-focus-on-territorial-defence-366502/

Finally.

Great strategy :)

Parang ngayon lang ata tayo uli nathreatened ng external threat since Japan

guys i don't want to hear erap's name here, he's a disgrace of the country, makapal lang talaga mukha at mayabang parin pag nagsalita,..

Malinaw na ba ang pananalita nya? Zu suzu ,szu diba? Hahahaha

The plan calls for between four and six lead-in jet trainer/attack aircraft and six aircraft to replace the Rockwell OV-10 Bronco, plus two maritime patrol aircraft, and one or two others to be dedicated to command and control/intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) tasks.

Manila also hopes to obtain six aircraft for counter-insurgency operations. Possible candidates include the Air Tractor AT-802U, Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano and Hawker Beechcraft AT-6. Both the maritime patrol and ISR aircraft are likely to be in the twin-turboprop class.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/philippines-to-re-focus-on-territorial-defence-366502/

Ive been writing for some time that the Super Tucano would be a good replacement for the Bronco and the USAF just recently signed a contract for the Super Tucano for anti insurgency work aswell .

Well correction temporarily postponed due to typical lawsuits from losing rivals

WRIGHT-PATTERSON AIR FORCE BASE — The Air Force has, at least for now, stopped its purchase of a Brazilian-built airplane intended for training and equipping Afghan forces, while a U.S. aircraft maker seeking the contract is pursuing a court challenge.

The Air Force had previously said that it wanted to proceed with the $355.1 million purchase of the 20 turboprop Light Air Support aircraft and associated equipment from Sierra Nevada because U.S. forces in Afghanistan needed the planes.

Embraer’s A-29 Super Tucano is to be used for flight training, reconnaissance and light air support operations, the Air Force said. The U.S.-purchased aircraft will be used to train Afghan pilots and then given to Afghanistan to help that country take responsibility for its security as the United States phases out its operations there, officials said.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/business/air-force-halts-aircraft-contract-during-court-challenge-1306725.html

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And just for a lolz this guy modified a super tucano on ms flight simulator with paf markings flying around cebu ( just click on the youtube logo to watch on youtube or to read his description of his video ) .

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Obama unveils 'leaner' military to counter China (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/obama-unveils-leaner-military-counter-china-030941981.html) WHOAAA :lol:

AFP NewsBy Dan De Luce | AFP News – 11 hours ago

President Barack Obama unveiled a strategy for a leaner US military focused on countering China's rising power and signaling a shift away from large ground wars against insurgents.

The plan calls for preparing for possible challenges from Iran and China, requiring air and naval power, while virtually ruling out any future counter-insurgency campaigns such as those conducted in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The "defense strategic review" sets out an approach for the US military in a looming era of austerity, as Obama's administration prepares for $487 billion in defense cuts over the next 10 years.

But the US president, anticipating attacks from his Republican rivals in an election year, said reductions would be limited and would not come at the expense of America's military might.

"So yes, our military will be leaner, but the world must know -- the United States is going to maintain our military superiority with armed forces that are agile, flexible and ready for the full range of contingencies and threats," Obama told reporters in a rare appearance at the Pentagon.

White House officials said Obama was deeply involved in the strategy review and sought to portray the president as taking a careful approach to defense spending, based on the advice of leading commanders.

Saying the country was "turning the page on a decade of war," Obama said the new strategy would increasingly focus on Asia, where commanders worry about China's growing military power.

"We'll be strengthening our presence in the Asia Pacific, and budget reductions will not come at the expense of this critical region," he said.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, appearing with Obama along with top officers, said the strategy envisages a "smaller and leaner" force that will expand the military's role in Asia while maintaining a strong presence in the Middle East.

According to the eight-page strategy document, the military will work with allies in the Middle East to ensure security in the Gulf and prevent Iran from securing nuclear weapons.

However, counter-insurgency operations receive a lower priority under the plan, enabling the administration to scale back ground forces.

Panetta said "with the end of US military commitments in Iraq, and the drawdown already under way in Afghanistan, the Army and Marine Corps will no longer need to be sized to support the large scale, long-term stability operations that dominated military priorities and force generation over the past decade."

The US military's top officer, General Martin Dempsey, praised the strategy but acknowledged it carried some risks, which could in some cases mean a slower response or fewer resources for an operation.

"We do accept some risk, as all strategies must. Because we will be somewhat smaller, these risks will be measured in time and capacity," the general said.

But he said the country faced "tough economic times" and had to adapt to new threats.

The chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, Buck McKeon, hit out at the strategy and accused Obama of gutting defense.

"The President has packaged our retreat from the world in the guise of a new strategy to mask his divestment of our military and national defense," McKeon, a Republican, said in a statement.

The review reinforces what defense officials have already signaled -- that funds will flow to aircraft, ships, missile defense and high-tech weaponry while the US Army and Marine Corps will be downsized.

Washington's focus on Asia is fueled by concerns over China's growing navy and arsenal of anti-ship missiles that could jeopardize America's military dominance in the Pacific.

In keeping with plans for a smaller force, the strategy discards the doctrine that the military must be prepared to fight two wars at the same time, an idea long debated inside the Pentagon.

Instead, the United States would be ready to fight one war while waging a holding action elsewhere to stave off a second threat.

The strategy review suggests reducing the atomic arsenal without saying how, amid calls from some lawmakers to reduce the number of nuclear-armed submarines.

The review also hints at scaling back the military's footprint in Europe but offered no details, saying "our posture in Europe must also evolve."

Britain's defense minister cautioned Thursday the US pivot to Asia should not neglect Russia, which he called an unpredictable force on the global stage.

The new strategy comes ahead of the proposed defense budget for 2013 due to be released next month, which is expected to call for delays in some weapons programs, including the troubled F-35 fighter.

Despite talk of belt-tightening, the defense budget for 2012 came to $530 billion, not counting the cost of the war in Afghanistan.

Obama said future military spending will still remain high and "larger than roughly the next 10 countries combined."

Obama unveils 'leaner' military to counter China (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/obama-unveils-leaner-military-counter-china-030941981.html) WHOAAA :lol:

AFP NewsBy Dan De Luce | AFP News – 11 hours ago

Poor Tatay on duty must be doing this -
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:lol::lol::lol:

Poor Tatay on duty must be doing this -
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a237/lilyrach/GIFs/cookiemonster.gif

:lol::lol::lol:

Kaya wag na awayin si tatay, stressed na maputi na ang buhok

Leaner US military but

Despite talk of belt-tightening, the defense budget for 2012 came to $530 billion, not counting the cost of the war in Afghanistan.


are we playing mindgames?

^^ Might be something like this With Obama's speech, momentum gathering to cut defense spending (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0414/With-Obama-s-speech-momentum-gathering-to-cut-defense-spending)

Like Medicare and Social Security, cutting defense spending has been something of a 'do not enter' zone for many lawmakers. But that may be changing.


Finding $400 billion in cuts over the next 12 years, as Mr. Obama has proposed, will mean identifying “missions the country is willing to have the military forgo,” said Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Geoff+Morrell) on Wednesday.


Obama may not have called for such cuts if Congress had not signaled greater willingness to entertain the idea. Congress’s fiscal 2011 budget proposal for the Department of Defense (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/U.S.+Department+of+Defense) was $530 billion – $20 billion below what the Pentagon originally requested and $10 billion below what Secretary Gates, who is widely popular on Capitol Hill (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Capitol+Hill), had said was his “bottom line.”


UK is starting pick up some things...
LONDON (Reuters) - Britain on Thursday signaled its readiness to use military force if necessary to keep the Strait of Hormuz open, warning Iran not to miscalculate over the West's determination to prevent disruption to the key shipping route...
Hammond said there was a "clear view both in the UK and the U.S. and indeed in many other allied countries that we will be seeking to avoid prolonged boots-on-the-ground engagements ... of the type that we had in Iraq and that we currently have in Afghanistan (and) that we should invest more in prevention."
"At the same time, of course, the U.S. has to have an eye on the emerging strength of China as a new major military power," he said.


Prevention is smarter and more cost effective.:cheers:
Now what about the Philippines?

^^
Now what about the Philippines?

Our corrupt Government official & employee are busy depleting Philippines national budget.

Ive been writing for some time that the Super Tucano would be a good replacement for the Bronco and the USAF just recently signed a contract for the Super Tucano for anti insurgency work aswell .

Well correction temporarily postponed due to typical lawsuits from losing rivals



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i dont wiki dis aircraft kung mas moderno kay sa bronco, magandang close air support ito sa LIC,..

Our corrupt Government official & employee are busy depleting Philippines national budget.

I heard you'ved got family members working for the government:lol:

New maritime intrusion by 3 PLAN warships this time around the Sabina Shoal which is east of Mischief Reef and is one of the nearest disputed islet to the main provincial island of Palawan, PLAN are definitely inching closer to the shorelines...

http://news.yahoo.com/philippines-accuses-china-maritime-intrusions-025821933.html

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^^ well that's normal...:lol: nothing is new... im sure they are intruding every day, di lng nila nakikita...

They think that the issue has been forgotten. Two ships with a navy vessel escort? If they will be sighted by BRP Goyong, hehehehe something will sink for sure. :) It is within Philippine waters so hot choco will be delivered.

Sige lang, kapag nadagdagan na ang mga ka-uri ni Goyo mas dadalang na ang bisita nila. Kaya sulitin niyo na.

wag kayong mag alala malapit na....

WASHINGTON/SINGAPORE - The U.S. Navy said it would station several new coastal combat ships in Singapore and perhaps in the Philippines in coming years, moves likely to fuel China's fears of being encircled and pressured in the South China Sea dispute.

hahaha sinusulit lang ng China ang mga maliligayang araw nila.. malapit na dumami mga kambal ni Goyo at mga lumulipad na alipores niya :lol:

Sana lang one of these days magkaroon ng actual confrontations between Chinese Navy and Philippine Navy within Philippine waters. :D hahahaha. If thats the only thing that US and other countries are waiting, so be it. :D hahaha. (im bad. :( )

I think it is also time for the government to check what are they doing in that island. It is so suspecting that they have to send 3 ships and one of them is a navy ship. Maybe they started to drill underground and one outlet is that island.

These chinese are stupid and will not stop unless they are presented with something that will burn their asses.

China has 'REJECTED' the maritime intrusion protest by the DFA and claims that the area where the vessels were spotted is under their jurisdiction, I would not be surprise at all if some of the PLAN warships are eventually spotted just off the coast of Palawan in the very 'NEAR' future... :ohno:

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/01/09/12/china-rejects-phs-accusation-maritime-intrusion

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Dapat tambayan na yang barko ng Philippine Navy. Samahan na rin nila ng eroplano na kahit papano ay may kakayahan na makipagsabayan sa mga yan. Ang kakapal ng mukha.

It is yet premature for a confrontation since most of the equipment isn't there yet and the forces aren't ready for it either, a needless confrontation now will have humiliating results for the PN .

In a few years when the navy has recieved extra ships and the air force has it's squadron and they all have had time to become proficient at what they do ... .

In the meantime anti ship missiles should also be procured even small portable anti tank missiles can be used for this purpose on those islands, in the long run tho as a minimum the navy must acquire at least 4 European ( and i don't mean Russian ) designed diesel submarines which would be ideal as a deterrent .

http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/14/8/4e7c620c-8c37-4649-b872-2eb1d62d4011.Large.jpg
http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/14/8/4e7c620c-8c37-4649-b872-2eb1d62d4011.Large.jpg Type U212

In particular the German type U212/14 submarines which are more advanced than Russian or hence Chinese diesel subs, it is also capable of operating in quite shallow waters and even launching missiles against aircraft or surface targets and the best part is it is quite capable of sinking "aircraft carriers" with it's powerful torpedo's this is a game changing weapon .

The west Phillippine sea is basically China's throat it is where their oil and raw materials pass through and without it their economy and country collapses into chaos and could lead to the overthrow of the regime, as i wrote before even mere threats of closing this vital sea line of communication will instantly draw all the major powers of the world to the region check mating any agression .

Submarines and their ability to choke vital sea lanes are one of the only real or credible means of dissuation short of inviting the US navy to homeport in the country which is a great idea aswell .

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Sana lang one of these days magkaroon ng actual confrontations between Chinese Navy and Philippine Navy within Philippine waters. :D hahahaha. If thats the only thing that US and other countries are waiting, so be it. :D hahaha. (im bad. :( )

okey yan kung to the rescue agad si uncle sam... pero.. hehe.. lets see :D

^^That is what they call Military-Industrial complex, the industrial part gaining more. I think what the US should so is to have a subdepartment that will do the R&D and all that stuff. The US Defense have many talented engineers and scientist that can displace the private companies.

:ohno:

I have read some articles that the US purchase parts from China (of course, through the private companies that supply their hardwares). Looks like that the US is turning blind to the possibility of Chinese companies sabotaging the US Military.

Esep esep, kuya!

The important thing to note is that it's the sheeple who are saddled with the costs, which is one of the two main drivers of the deficit. (The other is tax cuts.)

^^ Might be something like this

UK is starting pick up some things...


Prevention is smarter and more cost effective.:cheers:
Now what about the Philippines?

Iran daw muna, may nuclear sa bunker eh


Gawa din kaya tayo ng Nuclear in defiance of the ASEAN agreement tapos announce din natin like Iran. Joke. :lol:

wag kayong mag alala malapit na....

I think it is also time for the government to check what are they doing in that island. It is so suspecting that they have to send 3 ships and one of them is a navy ship. Maybe they started to drill underground and one outlet is that island.

These chinese are stupid and will not stop unless they are presented with something that will burn their asses.

They should have long time ago when the Chinese lied on the fisherman (aka military) outpost

China has 'REJECTED' the maritime intrusion protest by the DFA and claims that the area where the vessels were spotted is under their jurisdiction, I would not be surprise at all if some of the PLAN warships are eventually spotted just off the coast of Palawan in the very 'NEAR' future... :ohno:

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/01/09/12/china-rejects-phs-accusation-maritime-intrusion

http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m335/filipinas40/PLAN3.jpg

Of course, they will reject it. The Chinese mistakenly believe that they own their neighbors coastlines.

That is why this Chinese BS propaganda must be internationalized more than Iran's nuclear program

^^ well that's normal...:lol: nothing is new... im sure they are intruding every day, di lng nila nakikita...
all disguised as fisherman like they disguised their military outpost for fishermen outpost :lol:

China warns U.S. to be "careful" in military refocus

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/09/us-china-usa-defence-idUSTRE8080H320120109


ayan na po sya at nagmamatapang na talaga. :) hehehe marunong na rin magbanta. :)

China warns U.S. to be "careful" in military refocus


ayan na po sya at nagmamatapang na talaga. :) hehehe marunong na rin magbanta. :)

Lumalakas lang ang hangin. I think they are trying to conceal their "fear". Alam mo naman sa mga Asian, ginto ang "save face". Dapat lagi kang guapo sa mga kaapitbahay mo kahit ang pangit pangit mo :lol:

The important thing to note is that it's the sheeple who are saddled with the costs, which is one of the two main drivers of the deficit. (The other is tax cuts.)

Kaya wag na kayo masyadong umiyak kay Tatay
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Kaya wag na kayo masyadong umiyak kay Tatay
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Hahahaha. Nice image

New Air Force chief assumes post

By Frances Mangosing
INQUIRER.net
11:21 am | Tuesday, January 10th, 2012

MANILA, Philippines — Major General Lauro dela Cruz assumed his post as the new Commanding General of the Philippine Air Force at the PAF Headquarters in Villamor Air Base Tuesday.

Dela Cruz replaced Lieutenant General Oscar Rabena, who opted for early retirement.

President Benigno Aquino III was supposed to have announced Dela Cruz’s appointment today, Tuesday, in the same manner military chief Lieutenant General Jessie Dellosa was appointed last December 12. He replaced then General Eduardo Oban Jr.

Read more: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/125665/new-air-force-chief-assumes-post

Any news about the new polish made helicopters? I thought they were supposed to be delivered last year 2011 and the rest this year!

Any news about the new polish made helicopters? I thought they were supposed to be delivered last year 2011 and the rest this year!

The PAF pilots and mechanics team are still training in Poland, it will most likely be deliver once they have completed their lessons sometime late this month or early february ...

bakit hinde binigyan ng warning shots? talaga bang useless ang navy natin. all we can do is cry and beg at uncle sam? o takot lang talaga ang PN ng confrontation kase di talag kaya tapos baka sasabog pa sa isang malaking issue na para puntahan na naman ni Pnoy sa HK para manghingi ng awa?

at sa tingin nyo ba na kung pababagsakin ng china si Goyo, sa tining nyo ba aaction kaagad ang US? magdadalawang isip muna sila no. magkano ba ang ang trade between US and CHina? hamak na mas malaki kaysa pilipinas, kung US interest lang ang ating titingnan mauubos lahat ng barko muna ng PN bago kikilos ang USN! offcourse matatakot ang china sa magbaback off sila. pero sino ang naubusan ng barko? dba ang pilipinas?!

naalala nyo ba nung pinabagsak ng nokor yung isang barko ng sokor? may nangyari bang gyera? wala! sanctions?! meron ba? may epekto ba sa nokor? nandyan parin sila, aggresibo pa rin, atleast ang sokor kayang kaya nila kung nabagsak man ang isang barko nila. eh sa pilipinas kung naibagsak nila si Goyo back to scratch na naman. magmamakaawa na naman ng bagong barko ang presidente sa washington...

bakit hinde binigyan ng warning shots? talaga bang useless ang navy natin. all we can do is cry and beg at uncle sam? o takot lang talaga ang PN ng confrontation kase di talag kaya tapos baka sasabog pa sa isang malaking issue na para puntahan na naman ni Pnoy sa HK para manghingi ng awa?

at sa tingin nyo ba na kung pababagsakin ng china si Goyo, sa tining nyo ba aaction kaagad ang US? magdadalawang isip muna sila no. magkano ba ang ang trade between US and CHina? hamak na mas malaki kaysa pilipinas, kung US interest lang ang ating titingnan mauubos lahat ng barko muna ng PN bago kikilos ang USN! offcourse matatakot ang china sa magbaback off sila. pero sino ang naubusan ng barko? dba ang pilipinas?!

naalala nyo ba nung pinabagsak ng nokor yung isang barko ng sokor? may nangyari bang gyera? wala! sanctions?! meron ba? may epekto ba sa nokor? nandyan parin sila, aggresibo pa rin, atleast ang sokor kayang kaya nila kung nabagsak man ang isang barko nila. eh sa pilipinas kung naibagsak nila si Goyo back to scratch na naman. magmamakaawa na naman ng bagong barko ang presidente sa washington...

Nagsalita kapa ng patapos ehh.... hindi pa ngah nagkaalaman ng galing.... kung magkataon ng magkaputukan ikaw ang iuuna namin gawing panangga sa china... siguro magdadalawang isip sila tumira dahil may na hostage sila kababayan nila...:nuts: :lol:

New Air Force chief assumes post

By Frances Mangosing
INQUIRER.net
11:21 am | Tuesday, January 10th, 2012

MANILA, Philippines — Major General Lauro dela Cruz assumed his post as the new Commanding General of the Philippine Air Force at the PAF Headquarters in Villamor Air Base Tuesday.

Dela Cruz replaced Lieutenant General Oscar Rabena, who opted for early retirement.

President Benigno Aquino III was supposed to have announced Dela Cruz’s appointment today, Tuesday, in the same manner military chief Lieutenant General Jessie Dellosa was appointed last December 12. He replaced then General Eduardo Oban Jr.

Read more: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/125665/new-air-force-chief-assumes-post

What are his plans for the PAF modernization?

bakit hinde binigyan ng warning shots? talaga bang useless ang navy natin. all we can do is cry and beg at uncle sam? o takot lang talaga ang PN ng confrontation kase di talag kaya tapos baka sasabog pa sa isang malaking issue na para puntahan na naman ni Pnoy sa HK para manghingi ng awa?

at sa tingin nyo ba na kung pababagsakin ng china si Goyo, sa tining nyo ba aaction kaagad ang US? magdadalawang isip muna sila no. magkano ba ang ang trade between US and CHina? hamak na mas malaki kaysa pilipinas, kung US interest lang ang ating titingnan mauubos lahat ng barko muna ng PN bago kikilos ang USN! offcourse matatakot ang china sa magbaback off sila. pero sino ang naubusan ng barko? dba ang pilipinas?!

naalala nyo ba nung pinabagsak ng nokor yung isang barko ng sokor? may nangyari bang gyera? wala! sanctions?! meron ba? may epekto ba sa nokor? nandyan parin sila, aggresibo pa rin, atleast ang sokor kayang kaya nila kung nabagsak man ang isang barko nila. eh sa pilipinas kung naibagsak nila si Goyo back to scratch na naman. magmamakaawa na naman ng bagong barko ang presidente sa washington...

If you are intelligent enough, just by looking at China's ship, you will know what is the right thing to do. You can never question the bravery of our soldiers in the field. Yes, one ship is not enough and that is the reason why the government is trying to acquire some more including planes and radars and planning some missiles for defense/offense to improve the capability of the armed forces to do its mandate. I just hope bariQ, that if ever war breaks out, i will see you in the war front not inside the pants of your mother. And i also hope that by that time, your intelligence already improve.

Any news about the new polish made helicopters? I thought they were supposed to be delivered last year 2011 and the rest this year!

i just noticed that you keep on asking the same question with regards to the polish made helicopters. Do you know how to use google? Mr. G can help you a lot, do you know that?

second, flying these helicopters is not as easy as you day-dreaming of using them fighting insurgents and delivering chaos.

from Adroth of Timawa.net

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If you are intelligent enough, just by looking at China's ship, you will know what is the right thing to do. You can never question the bravery of our soldiers in the field. Yes, one ship is not enough and that is the reason why the government is trying to acquire some more including planes and radars and planning some missiles for defense/offense to improve the capability of the armed forces to do its mandate. I just hope bariQ, that if ever war breaks out, i will see you in the war front not inside the pants of your mother. And i also hope that by that time, your intelligence already improve.

:cheers:

If our PN fires the warning shot, tayo ang lalabas na agressive. Politics is not played only by military might, strategies also is very important. Look at what happened in the Vietnam war. Technically, battles were mostly won by the US but the NV strategy worked very well that almost everyone back in the US were not supportive on the military action and soldiers who served in Vietnam were demonized

How long can China keep it up — accusing neighbors of “causing disturbance” whenever they protest its naval intrusions? Its you-are-the-troublemaker-not-us line makes it look ridiculous in the eyes of the world. Beijing seems to not realize that it has lost diplomatic esteem with its unfounded “nine-dash line” claim over the entire South China Sea. No country would want to be regarded by the world as a hollow bully.

Beijing is spewing that worn out line anew in response to Manila’s recent complaint. Two Chinese vessels and a warship had steamed into Philippine waters last Dec. 11-12, circling Escoda Shoal, 70 miles (113 km) west of Palawan. A Philippine patrol boat and airplane watched the illegal entrants from afar. Manila then fired off a diplomatic note about the sandbank (international name: Sabina Shoal) being part of the Philippines’ 200-mile exclusive economic zone. Whereas, China’s southernmost island-province of Hainan is more than 990 miles away.

China’s actions and response were provocative. Its two ships were monitored to be returning to China from Mischief Reef in the disputed Spratlys, but detoured for two days to Escoda Shoal. No coherent explanation was offered, just the stern reply: “We hope the Philippines will not create something from nothing and cause disturbance.”

This wasn’t the first time China showed imperious interest in Escoda. In the late ’80s it planted buoys to delineate the sand drops, prompting the Philippine Navy to target-practice machineguns on the floats. Last year Manila protested China’s dropping of similar markers in nearby Iroquois Reed and Amy Douglas Bank. Also, the near ramming of a Philippine survey vessel and two fishing boats in the Recto Bank. Like Escoda, all three are well within the Philippine EEZ, under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Even without the UNCLOS, they are within Philippine territory as designated in the Treaty of Paris by which Spain ceded the archipelago to the US in 1898.

In the latest row, Beijing insisted there was nothing wrong with its movements around Escoda Shoal. Since it has a Chinese name, a foreign ministry spokesman insisted, the sandbar is part of Chinese territory. It was a reiteration of the nine-dash line claim. In 2009 China unilaterally declared ownership of the whole South China Sea by virtue of nine demarcating dashes from an “ancient map.”

On the basis of that unproven map, China also feels free to intrude in Vietnamese waters. It claims ownership of the Paracel Islands, just off Vietnam’s coast but 550 miles from Hainan. Via the nine-dash boundary too, China is pushing Malaysia and Brunei out of the Spratly chain, and courting maritime trouble with Indonesia.

The ten-member ASEAN considers only the Spratlys, in the middle of the South China Sea, 910 miles from Hainan, to be truly disputed. The Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei and Malaysia lay claim to some or all of the islands, as do China and Taiwan.

It is not only in the South China Sea that Beijing is asserting its economic and naval scope. Using another set of unproven ancient maps, it claims ownership as well of the North China Sea and several island chains. Thus, it has been feuding as well with Japan.

Analysts believe that the Chinese Communist Party is being misled by ascendant hawks who wish to test the extent of Beijing’s economic and naval might. More sedate policy-makers see folly in belligerence, though. They would rather focus on economic-diplomatic dominance, in a globalized commerce founded on localized trade and ties.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=766829&publicationSubCategoryId=64

bakit hinde binigyan ng warning shots? talaga bang useless ang navy natin. all we can do is cry and beg at uncle sam? o takot lang talaga ang PN ng confrontation kase di talag kaya tapos baka sasabog pa sa isang malaking issue na para puntahan na naman ni Pnoy sa HK para manghingi ng awa?

at sa tingin nyo ba na kung pababagsakin ng china si Goyo, sa tining nyo ba aaction kaagad ang US? magdadalawang isip muna sila no. magkano ba ang ang trade between US and CHina? hamak na mas malaki kaysa pilipinas, kung US interest lang ang ating titingnan mauubos lahat ng barko muna ng PN bago kikilos ang USN! offcourse matatakot ang china sa magbaback off sila. pero sino ang naubusan ng barko? dba ang pilipinas?!

naalala nyo ba nung pinabagsak ng nokor yung isang barko ng sokor? may nangyari bang gyera? wala! sanctions?! meron ba? may epekto ba sa nokor? nandyan parin sila, aggresibo pa rin, atleast ang sokor kayang kaya nila kung nabagsak man ang isang barko nila. eh sa pilipinas kung naibagsak nila si Goyo back to scratch na naman. magmamakaawa na naman ng bagong barko ang presidente sa washington...

bakit may nabasa ka ba sa balita na nokor tlga ang nagpabagsak nun? US are also playing safe on that situation... kung pabagsakin may ng china ang brp... may ibidensya tayo.. kc ship ung nagintrude hinde submarine!! sa situation ng sokor hinde nila alam kung cnu tlga... magisip ka nga muna...

we should only return fire in self-defense.. forget all your RAMBO fantasies 'cause this ain't the movies.. we need to display maximum tolerance and prudence in our actions

shit.ang ganda ng warships ng china,pag suagupa si goryo sa 3 barko na yon siguradong lubog si goryo,di na talaga nahiya ang ating DND sa pagpapa laot ni goryo na walang missiles,pagtatawanan lang si goryo ng mga PLAN sana naman ginastusan muna nila at kinabitan ng mga missiles o mga modernong kagamitan bago sya mag patrulya...kakatawa at nakakahiya talaga ang AFP natin.:bash::ohno::nuts:

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT 100%... :doh:

we should only return fire in self-defense.. forget all your RAMBO fantasies 'cause this ain't the movies.. we need to display maximum tolerance and prudence in our actions
But, "offense is the best defense", di ba? Pwede siguro yung mga paxlixhim na toxrpxedox tulad nung sa Cheonan!

shit.ang ganda ng warships ng china,pag suagupa si goryo sa 3 barko na yon siguradong lubog si goryo,di na talaga nahiya ang ating DND sa pagpapa laot ni goryo na walang missiles,pagtatawanan lang si goryo ng mga PLAN sana naman ginastusan muna nila at kinabitan ng mga missiles o mga modernong kagamitan bago sya mag patrulya...kakatawa at nakakahiya talaga ang AFP natin.:bash::ohno::nuts:

Whatever you put in Goyong will not suffice. Remember, they have 3 ships armed to the teeth against 1. This is not a street fight where a man with martial arts skill can take down 3 men.

For me Goyong to show some presence to at least make them a little bit hesitant entering Philippine waters.

But, "offense is the best defense", di ba? Pwede siguro yung mga paxlixhim na toxrpxedox tulad nung sa Cheonan!

this is not a basketball game of sorts.. the best defense for us now is to have a sizable number of surface-combatants which can be positioned around the radius of Ulugan Bay which can deter intrusions like that.. and when i say 'deter' that means communicating/relaying info to them that we're there and that it's well within our own territory..

try to fire even an M-16 round at those PLAN ships and you'll have a full-blown naval confrontation in a matter of hours.. do you want that to happen with our limited military capabilities?

we should not fire the first shot. we will lose our most lethal weapon, sympathy. sympathy of other powerful nations, china will be seen as the hostile nation, which they are, if they're teh one who will fire the first shot.

shit.ang ganda ng warships ng china,pag suagupa si goryo sa 3 barko na yon siguradong lubog si goryo,di na talaga nahiya ang ating DND sa pagpapa laot ni goryo na walang missiles,pagtatawanan lang si goryo ng mga PLAN sana naman ginastusan muna nila at kinabitan ng mga missiles o mga modernong kagamitan bago sya mag patrulya...kakatawa at nakakahiya talaga ang AFP natin.:bash::ohno::nuts:

^^
modern warships sa china tau naman kabaligtaran nung mga facilities nila, kung meron man luma na :ohno:

MANILA, Philippines - Two C-130 cargo planes will be added to the Philippine Air Force (PAF) inventory within the first quarter of this year.

At present, the PAF is mainly relying on a lone C-130 Hercules aircraft in hauling of supplies and logistics, as well as troops for internal and territorial defense.

“We have two C-130 cargo planes coming in by March and April,” said Armed Forces deputy chief of staff for plans and programs Brig. Gen. Roy Deveraturda.

The first C-130 would be flying in from the United States, while the other is now being refurbished at Clark Field.

The Air Force is also expecting the arrival of eight brand-new utility and combat-attack helicopters during the first quarter of this year.

President Aquino’s visit to the United States this April is expected to finally seal a deal for the acquisition of F-16 fighter jets.

Earlier, Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario said the country intends to acquire a squadron F-16 fighter jet from the US.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=767070&publicationSubCategoryId=63

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VP-16 ‘War Eagles’ train with Philippine military

Sailors from VP-16 paid a visit to Diosdado Macapagal Airport near Manila, Philippines to participate in an exercise designed to build ties with the Philippine military Dec. 31-Jan. 4.

“War Eagles” aircrew flew several flights in cooperation with the Philippine Navy.

“This exercise was a great way to work with our partners in the Philippine Navy,” remarked VP-16 Executive Officer Cmdr. Molly Boron. “The chance to practice together helps to ensure that we’re mission-ready and prepared to accomplish our tasks when called upon.”

VP-16 is a maritime patrol squadron that conducts routine security, surveillance and reconnaissance missions.

The squadron operates the P-3C Orion and is home-based at NAS Jacksonville.

The squadron is currently forward-deployed to Kadena Air Base in Okinawa, Japan and flies in support of Commander, U.S. 7th Fleet.

http://jacksonville.com/military/jax-air-news/2012-01-11/story/vp-16-war-eagles-train-philippine-military

^^ are those two C-130's new acquisitions? or refurbished units from the PAF inventory?

The other one is an acquisition from the US as per the news and the other i guess was from the PAF inventory and was refurbished by Malaysian contractor. I may be wrong as i really cannot remember the full details.

Any news about the new polish made helicopters? I thought they were supposed to be delivered last year 2011 and the rest this year!

Brother, this is the news youve been asking and waiting for.


The Air Force is also expecting the arrival of eight brand-new utility and combat-attack helicopters during the first quarter of this year.
President Aquino’s visit to the United States this April is expected to finally seal a deal for the acquisition of F-16 fighter jets.
Earlier, Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario said the country intends to acquire a squadron F-16 fighter jet from the US.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=767070&publicationSubCategoryId=63

Brother, this is the news youve been asking and waiting for.

Ah, thanks. Anyway some good news! :-)

^^ are those two C-130's new acquisitions? or refurbished units from the PAF inventory?

Both are refurbished aircrafts... I will only 'BELIEVE' this new report once I actually see this 2 planes being commission into PAF service, otherwise it's the same 'REPETITIOUS' announcement with only the dates being changed... :doh:

Both are refurbished aircrafts... I will only 'BELIEVE' this new report once I actually see this 2 planes being commission into PAF service, otherwise it's the same 'REPETITIOUS' announcement with only the dates being changed... :doh:
Hahahaha! I never believed apostle Thomas was dead! What can we do? We can't blame people for harboring that idea; it's been too long that we're fed with false hopes!

Both are refurbished aircrafts... I will only 'BELIEVE' this new report once I actually see this 2 planes being commission into PAF service, otherwise it's the same 'REPETITIOUS' announcement with only the dates being changed... :doh:

The other one is an acquisition from the US as per the news and the other i guess was from the PAF inventory and was refurbished by Malaysian contractor. I may be wrong as i really cannot remember the full details.

i used to see a lot of C-130's parked at the apron of Mactan Air Base sa labas ng mga hangar.. the airframes looked fresh but needs spare parts.. sana lahat ng mga idle ay ma refurbish nila :cheers:

si PNOY hihingi raw ng lahat ng pinaglumaan ng USAF

i used to see a lot of C-130's parked at the apron of Mactan Air Base sa labas ng mga hangar.. the airframes looked fresh but needs spare parts.. sana lahat ng mga idle ay ma refurbish nila :cheers:

Meron yatang 8 "in storage" C-130 sa airbase sa cebu, ewan ko lang kung pwede pa yung i-refurbish, naka-expose lang sila eh.

Yung dalawang darating na C-130 (kung meron man) siguradong refurbished yun dahil kelan lang ini-announce na bibili tayo ng additional transport aircraft, pero andyan na kaagad sya, sigurado refurbished.

si PNOY hihingi raw ng lahat ng pinaglumaan ng USAF

You have any problem with that? :ohno:

You have any problem with that? :ohno:

Gusto ata ng lalaking yan eh maghukay tayo ng naiwang ww2 ammunition at equipment na naiwan ng mga hapon at amerikano :lol::lol:

I dont know what is the problem with these people. They keep on crying that we do not have equipments or machineries that we can use to protect us and the government is taking it for granted. And now, the government is trying its best to acquire these things and these same people are still crying that the equipments are old and second hand.

Can't you guys ask yourself first if we have enough budget to buy the new ones and how long before they will be delivered? Add also the trainings of the personnels.

I dont know what is the problem with these people. They keep on crying that we do not have equipments or machineries that we can use to protect us and the government is taking it for granted. And now, the government is trying its best to acquire these things and these same people are still crying that the equipments are old and second hand.

Can't you guys ask yourself first if we have enough budget to buy the new ones and how long before they will be delivered? Add also the trainings of the personnels.

I know, as if naman we can fight with the intruders and insurgents with knives :lol::lol:

this is not a basketball game of sorts.. the best defense for us now is to have a sizable number of surface-combatants which can be positioned around the radius of Ulugan Bay which can deter intrusions like that.. and when i say 'deter' that means communicating/relaying info to them that we're there and that it's well within our own territory..

try to fire even an M-16 round at those PLAN ships and you'll have a full-blown naval confrontation in a matter of hours.. do you want that to happen with our limited military capabilities?

The premise was "palihim", if you understand what that means. I tried mixing it up cuz this is the web, they can always translxty, gets mo? Besides, who said "offense is the best defense" as solely applicable to basketball?
Mao Tse Tung opined that "the only real defense is active defense", meaning defense for the purpose of counter-attacking and taking the offensive. Often success rests on destroying the enemy's ability to attack. In reference to fighting terrorists, Matthew Levitt opines, "It’s important to pre-emptively strike at those who intend to do us harm." The principle is echoed in the writings of Machiavelli and Sun Tzu. Some martial arts emphasise attack over defence. Wing Chun, for example, is a style of Kung Fu which uses the maxim: "The hand which strikes also blocks." Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_best_defense_is_a_good_offense)

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Can't you guys ask yourself first if we have enough budget to buy the new ones and how long before they will be delivered? Add also the trainings of the personnels.
The answer to that question of yours is summed-up into a single word: "prioritization"! Budget is not the issue, IMO. Budget is the usual cop-out, bad, bad cop-out at that.

Firstly, our leadership does not think it as a priority. It gives pork barrel to our fat -assed congressmen and senators, the amount which have discussed, very much earlier to be about the same amount that could buy us 16 or so fighter jets (please back read or see the archives, I could be wrong on the comparative figures).

Secondly, our military brass before filled their deep pockets first whenever there are releases of monies intended for the upgrading and modernization of our AFP. As I write, I have heard $100,000 was just formally returned by the US law enforcement agency.

Most importantly, there are forces/ lobbyists in and out of the government who are against spending on military equipment acquisitions, Or leftists, Maoists, or plain myopic, self-aggrandizing, and influencing jackanapes, Or businesses out to snare any military funding making a killing out of these programs, etc.

That leaves us to ask junks from Uncle Sam since the resources we have are already taken by other priorities/allocations.

The premise was "palihim", if you understand what that means. I tried mixing it up cuz this is the web, they can always translxty, gets mo? Besides, who said "offense is the best defense" as solely applicable to basketball?
Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_best_defense_is_a_good_offense)

then go to the KIG and relive your Rambo fantasy, wear your uniform, carry your gun and engage the Chinese.. tingnan ko lang kung saan aabot yang mga pilosopiya mo baka mabilis pa sa alas-kwatro eh tumba ka na.. gising, nasa totoong buhay tayo at dehado ang kalagayan wala sa mga libro ang solusyon kundi nasa tunay na diplomasiya

you should know by now that palihim will never work in a tight-knit intelligence-fed PLA.. baka ultimo yung mga taga Binondo eh nag nagbibigay yan ng mga info sa PLA

then go to the KIG and relive your Rambo fantasy, wear your uniform, carry your gun and engage the Chinese.. tingnan ko lang kung saan aabot yang mga pilosopiya mo baka mabilis pa sa alas-kwatro eh tumba ka na.. gising, nasa totoong buhay tayo at dehado ang kalagayan wala sa mga libro ang solusyon kundi nasa tunay na diplomasiya

you should know by now that palihim will never work in a tight-knit intelligence-fed PLA.. baka ultimo yung mga taga Binondo eh nag nagbibigay yan ng mga info sa PLA
Hehehe. Kaya nga "palihim". If they'll know it, then it's not called "lihim", or do you want to call it "palihim" because you wanted it that way! Egads!

Talking about covert items, did the US and SoKor know it was NoKor sinking the Cheonan? That's one "lihim" IMO.

not at the time the torpedo was fired, but during the investigation it was clear the torpedo came from NoKor.. in war, secrets are liabilities, in due time it will eventually be divulged or discovered either way..

i rest my case, diplomacy with deterrence can win this conflict for us, and not counter-bullying or Rambo-esque moves..

now, fire your palihim torpedo to a PLAN ship ora mismo and let's see what will happen :lol:

i rest my case, diplomacy with deterrence can win this conflict for us, and not counter-bullying or Rambo-esque moves..Pray, lecture me on a conflict won by diplomacy. Would be glad to hear it. Besides it's your Rambo not mine, never said those.

now, fire your palihim torpedo to a PLAN ship ora mismo and let's see what will happen :lol:Why me? It was Sun Tzu's re-phrased to adapt to modern times; Book 3. Go fetch.

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I dont know what is the problem with these people. They keep on crying that we do not have equipments or machineries that we can use to protect us and the government is taking it for granted. And now, the government is trying its best to acquire these things and these same people are still crying that the equipments are old and second hand.

Can't you guys ask yourself first if we have enough budget to buy the new ones and how long before they will be delivered? Add also the trainings of the personnels.

^^whats wrong with that????
what the government acquires? brand new ones?
name a military equipment more than 1 million pesos per piece, take note 1 million pesos only for a brand new one,ofcourse filipino are crying for brand new ones but it was delivered "FURNISHED"

what's the difference of that?

^^whats wrong with that????
what the government acquires? brand new ones?
name a military equipment more than 1 million pesos per piece, take note 1 million pesos only for a brand new one,ofcourse filipino are crying for brand new ones but it was delivered "FURNISHED"

what's the difference of that?

Ang puso mo, 'dre! Chillax!

pogi naman ng sokol, mukhang hindi soviet design. yung kulay din ang nag-paganda.

^^whats wrong with that????
what the government acquires? brand new ones?
name a military equipment more than 1 million pesos per piece, take note 1 million pesos only for a brand new one,ofcourse filipino are crying for brand new ones but it was delivered "FURNISHED"

what's the difference of that?

^^ oh you want brandnew ones? shell the money out from your pockets and ask the manufacturer to have it finish in a month or two because we really need them ASAP. The things that Philippines needed right now for protection dont just cost a MILLION. It isnt just buying, it also on how long those things can be delivered and the trainings. Get my point?

^^ oh you want brandnew ones? shell the money out from your pockets and ask the manufacturer to have it finish in a month or two because we really need them ASAP. The things that Philippines needed right now for protection dont just cost a MILLION. It isnt just buying, it also on how long those things can be delivered and the trainings. Get my point?

Kung brand new ang bibilhin natin, budget palang ng AFP ubos na sa isang gamit :lol:

An award for bravery in combat awaits an Army sergeant who led 16 militiamen in repulsing a communist rebel attack on a military detachment in a far-flung area in Agusan del Norte shortly after the holiday truce ended.

Sergeant Sixto Duyan was commander of the San Antonio Patrol Base in Barangay (village) San Antonio in the municipality of Remedios T. Romualdez when it came under heavy attack by New People’s Army (NPA) rebels at around 4:30 a.m. on Wednesday.

The ceasefire had just ended that midnight for both government troops and communist rebels. The government had declared an 18-day cease-fire while the NPA declared a six-day truce.

After a nearly five hours of gun battle, the estimated 50 to 60 insurgents were forced to withdraw, dragging with them their wounded or killed comrades, as reinforcements from the 3rd Special Forces Battalion arrived.

One killed rebel was left behind.

One militiaman identified as Christopher Rara was also killed. Two others were wounded namely Duyan’s assistant detachment commander Corporal Murphy Haiber and barangay official Dionisio Calbo.

The militiamen recovered from the rebels two high-powered M16 rifles, one of which had an attached M203 grenade launcher, a 500-meter detonating cord used for explosives, and assorted ammunition.

Gallantry in action

Major General Victor Felix, who oversees Army forces in northern and central Mindanao as commanding general of the 4th Infantry Division, lauded the militiamen who withstood the attack for several hours.

“Definitely, we are going to recommend an award for Sergeant Duyan for real gallantry in action and stability under pressure,” he said.

Felix said the award would go beyond his level as division commander.

He said they have warned military detachments to brace for attacks after top NPA leader in Mindanao Jorge Madlos (who uses the alias Ka Oris) vowed to stage more offensives despite the government’s attempt to restart the peace negotiations.

“We should be prepared for any of their offensive moves. They have already made a statement and I think we should take it seriously,” he said.

“I think Oris made a very categorical statement that they are going to hit some specific mining firms and we have strengthened the security posture in these areas,” Felix added.

Rebel threats

He said some of these firms have asked the military to establish special civilian active auxiliaries (SCAA) detachments in their area since they have received threats from the communist rebels.

“Yes they did (get threats) openly from Ka Oris,” Felix said.

Last October 3, in one of the most brazen raids done by the NPA, some 200 rebels staged coordinated raids on Taganito Mining Corp., its sister company Taganito HPAL Nickel Corp. and Platinum Group Metals Corp. in Surigao del Norte and burned hundreds of millions worth of equipment.

The military said these mining firms were attacked because they resisted the rebels’ extortion demands.

Aside from mining firms, agro-industrial plantations are also among the NPA’s top targets.

“We have augmented some economic centers to make sure that they would be safe. We have coordinated with the Philippine National Police and other agencies, local agencies,” Felix said.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/122681/army-sergeant-cited-for-bravery

Aquino ‘wants everything’ for military under his term
By Katherine Evangelista
INQUIRER.net
6:14 pm | Tuesday, August 23rd, 2011
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MANILA, Philippines – “I want everything.”

This is what President Benigno Aquino III said when asked what more military equipment he would like to purchase for the armed forces during his term.

The statement came after the BRP Gregorio del Pilar, the biggest and most recently acquired vessel in the Philippine Navy’s fleet, was formally welcomed on Tuesday.

In a short interview after the ceremony, Aquino said that he has a long wish-list of equipment that he would like to procure for the military during his term.

Aquino said that for the Philippine Air Force, they currently needed air defense radars, long-range patrol aircraft and closed air support aircraft. Likewise, there are plans to purchase lead-in jet planes that will be used for the training of our future jet fighter pilots. Likewise, more assault rifles and armored personnel carriers and force protection equipment like helmets, bullet proof vests, night-fighting equipment and radios are needed by the Philippine Army.

“There’s a whole list of modernization items for the AFP and also the PNP and the Coast Guard,” Aquino said.

For the Philippine Navy, the defense department is eyeing the purchase of amphibious vessels, off-shore patrol vessels, naval helicopters there are at least three of them, coast watch stations, Aquino said. Meanwhile, he also ordered that the Navy to restudy its plans to buy a submarine.

“So yung [the] submarines are being studied by our Navy – whether or not practical, whether or not it meets our needs,” Aquino said.

Aquino said that he didn’t want to rush into buying cheap submarines then end up having to spend so much money refurbishing and refitting the vessels to suit Philippine sea conditions.

He added that an Asian neighboring country which he did not identify had bought several submarines worth only $12 million but the total cost of refurbishment nearly totaled the amount of a brand new submarine.

In a separate interview, Navy Flag Officer-in-Command Rear Admiral Alexander Pama admitted that they were reviewing their plans to purchase a submarine.

“We don’t want to make a mistake,” Pama said.

Nevertheless, Pama said that the Navy was eyeing to acquire two more Hamilton cutters just like BRP Gregorio del Pilar from the US.

BRP Gregorio del Pilar was acquired through the US Excess Defense Act.

The vessel was free however, the Philippines spent some P450 million on refurbishments and for the fuel used by the vessel to travel from Hawaii to the Philippines.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/46641/aquino-%E2%80%98wants-everything%E2%80%99-for-military-under-his-term#disqus_thread

^^whats wrong with that????
what the government acquires? brand new ones?
name a military equipment more than 1 million pesos per piece, take note 1 million pesos only for a brand new one,ofcourse filipino are crying for brand new ones but it was delivered "FURNISHED"

what's the difference of that?

Where do you get this crap? That a brand new equipment costs just 1 million? Are you even using your coconut shell?!
BRP Goyo alone costs us $13 m in transfer costs. If he wasn't essentially from Tatay Sam's garage sale, you might as well dent the entire AFP budget first.
And btw, please construct a sentence. In all honesty, I had a hard time following your posts.




http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/46641/aquino-%E2%80%98wants-everything%E2%80%99-for-military-under-his-term#disqus_thread

Oh boy, The Red and Yellow Senadors will not like this. They say we Can't eat F16s.
Pakainin mo nga ng eroplano yan

maybe we can copy Iran's SWARM concept,..build or buy hundreds of small fast attack crafts to overwhelm a big even a carrier battle group consisting of several ships into submission,..

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parang walang armas,..serbis lang ata ng mga heneral at politico and family mga ito,..

The argument that the "Budget is the usual cop-out" is misplaced, a hundred thousand $ here or there even one hundred million $ embezzeld by corrupt politicians won't buy you a dozen f16's and this is not to excuse corruption .

So unless we are talking alleged Marcos billions $ worth because that is what a brand new squadron of f16's would cost or a top of the line destroyer like those the US and western countries are now sending to the straight's of Hormuz to call Iran's bluff would easily cost half a billion $ a piece .

So to say that the existing budget if not for corruption would be sufficient to purchase all the necessary equipment as brand new would be a fantasy, the total budget barely hovers around 1,5 billion $ this is less than what Nato or the US used to spend in Iraq or still do in Afghanistan in a month .

In September 2010, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency informed the United States Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale of 18 F-16IQ aircraft along with the associated equipment and services to the newly reformed Iraqi Air Force. Total value of sale is estimated at US$4.2 billion
http://www.dsca.osd.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2010/iraq_10-23.pdf

U.S. spending $3.6 billion a month in Afghanistan according to CRS report
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/63121-crs-calculates-cost-of-us-troop-presence-in-afghanistan

Imo the current pace and strategy for a step by step modernisation is just right especially since there is still a learning curve to be overcome, once the military become proficient in using and maintaining a fleet of larger ships and the squadron of F16's then it would be time to increase the budget in order to procure more and newer equipment .

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With regards the sokol helicopters it is now clear that it isnt the attack helicopter version equipped with a nose gun but rather a more simple transport version, i do hope that these are the last ones of this type they purchase for use perhaps in the Palawan/Spratleys region due to it's useful range ( 750 km ) .

Imo the newer version of the MI 17 would also be useful to have they are equipped with loading ramps are cheap and can transport more passengers so it could finally provide the military with a medium sized helicopter capability which it currently lacks .

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The argument that the "Budget is the usual cop-out" is misplaced, a hundred thousand $ here or there even one hundred million $ embezzeld by corrupt politicians won't buy you a dozen f16's and this is not to excuse corruption .
Self-destruct yata yang logic mo dyan 'dre! You said argument is misplaced, "that the (no) budget is the usual cop-out", then later in the sentence "embezzled" din pala ang budgeted amount. Ergo, there was an allocation (read as "budget"). Wag yung sabihin na walang budget, eh napunta lang din pala sa bulsa nila!
IDK how to make of your post, you contradict your own.

parang walang armas,..serbis lang ata ng mga heneral at politico and family mga ito,..

i was wondering that too, its probably an old photo where the chopper is still being fix

IDK how to make of your post, you contradict your own.

Kailangan kasi marunong mag basa para maintindihan lolz ... .

"Budget is the usual cop-out" < quotation marks, i was actually quoting something you wrote in post n°382 towards m46fr3d and there is nothing to be confused about, i simply argued that the budget is truelly insufficient despite corruption and simply added that my argument should not be seen as an excuse for corruption .

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i was wondering that too, its probably an old photo where the chopper is still being fix

I think the photograph says alot we need to look at the nose in particular, the version equipped with a nose gun has a slightly different nose section and also has a slight bump on the roof of the cockpit which is used to house a camera/sensor system, while these helicopters depicted in the photo's above are clearly of the other variant .

A few pic links to highlight the difference .

http://www.pzl.swidnik.pl/site_media/storage/images/2010-07/sokol623660.jpg
Nose gun version

http://www.aviaworld.com/photo/Czech%20Air%20Force/slides/PZL%20Swidnik%20W-3%20Sokol%20Anakonda%20-%20W-3.jpg
Simple version

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However this general specified in 2010 a night capable version, it could either mean that they also purchased the other nose turreted version or and i think this is more likely that they specified the addition of a night vision system or camera on the simple version, which would probably be added at the side or below the nose similar to these featured in the linked photo's below .

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7922/sokol03gg2.jpg

http://www.rzeszow.mm.pl/~jowitek/PZL%20Sokol/PZL%20W-3%20Radom%202002%20(004)%20(W).jpg

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The again i just saw this news report with the new afp chief jesse delliosa ( a relative btw lol ) commenting at the end 1:01 minute that the afp will recieve 4 helicopters and then another 4, so now im thinking that they might perhaps have purchased 2 versions anyway i guess we will have to wait and see .

as per contract, the Sokol is combat-utility, it's not a freaking gunship or attack helicopter..

a very simple thing but people still don't get it :ohno:

^^yep yep....it's supposed to transport troops not gun down ground targets, no need to whine about the lack of weapons.

In the clips ive posted tho one from 2010 i have distinctly heard two versions where the military officials specify attack and utility, i guess sometimes the messages can get confusing .

maybe they have some arrangements since the delivery of the helicopters are indeed very late.

maybe they have some arrangements since the delivery of the helicopters are indeed very late.
A delay in delivery could mean lots of things. Either the manufacturer has lots of technical problems, or a problem with its workforce, or the parts for production are hard to come by, or so many orders were received at the same time, or the specs given by the buyer is full of extra features compared to the original design, or the buyer opted for a scale-down of the original dimensions resulting to special changes on the production floor, or others that we just don't know!

We will never know until somebody from inside spills the beans!

A delay in delivery could mean lots of things. Either the manufacturer has lots of technical problems, or a problem with its workforce, or the parts for production are hard to come by, or so many orders were received at the same time, or the specs given by the buyer is full of extra features compared to the original design, or the buyer opted for a scale-down of the original dimensions resulting to special changes on the production floor, or others that we just don't know!

We will never know until somebody from inside spills the beans!

^^ that is the reason why i said "maybe". When you take a project and committed on a specific date that project will be completed and you werent able to comply, you will have to pay for the day/month until the project is finished. Unless the two parties have some arrangements made to settle the delay.

Yeah we will never know until somebody from the inside spills the beans.

ang huey primarily for troop transport ginagawang multi purpose minomodify at ginawang gunships, itong bagong mga choppers nato dapat modified na rin ano gagawin nyo jan?pang serbis ng mga kamoteng heneral???kailangan natin sa air support ng mga ground troops natin yan kaya dlang transport ang trabaho nyan,..pero mukhang walang armas talaga or ang AFP na mag-momodify nito?

ang huey primarily for troop transport ginagawang multi purpose minomodify at ginawang gunships, itong bagong mga choppers nato dapat modified na rin ano gagawin nyo jan?pang serbis ng mga kamoteng heneral???kailangan natin sa air support ng mga ground troops natin yan kaya dlang transport ang trabaho nyan,..pero mukhang walang armas talaga or ang AFP na mag-momodify nito?

ever heard of the 20 newly-refurbished MG-520 attack helicopters delivered last year? those helo's will be used for close-air support and ground attack duties.. these are the backbone of the PAF's 15th Strike Wing which is heavily involved in COIN.

our OV-10's and SF-260's are also doing a great job in COIN operations.

the eventual plan of the PAF for the Huey's is to relegate it to search-and-rescue duties, thus the thrust to have more modern and larger combat-utility (a.k.a. troop transport) like the Sokol. and who knows? maybe we will consider Blackhawk's and Chinook's in the future.

ever heard of the 20 newly-refurbished MG-520 attack helicopters delivered last year? those helo's will be used for close-air support and ground attack duties.. these are the backbone of the PAF's 15th Strike Wing which is heavily involved in COIN.

our OV-10's and SF-260's are also doing a great job in COIN operations.

the eventual plan of the PAF for the Huey's is to relegate it to search-and-rescue duties, thus the thrust to have more modern and larger combat-utility (a.k.a. troop transport) like the Sokol. and who knows? maybe we will consider Blackhawk's and Chinook's in the future.

20?Only?we have more than 10 regions and hundreds of islands, those twenty copters are not enough, we need to have 10 each regions, even we include the broncos, all flyable aircraft of PAF still it's not enough on counter insurgency, we need those SOKOLS modified for attack duties not for RNR mode of transpo of fat-ass generals and politicians and their kabits and dependents!!!

20?Only?we have more than 10 regions and hundreds of islands, those twenty copters are not enough, we need to have 10 each regions, even we include the broncos, all flyable aircraft of PAF still it's not enough on counter insurgency, we need those SOKOLS modified for attack duties not for RNR mode of transpo of fat-ass generals and politicians and their kabits and dependents!!!
I agree with your assessments here. It's not gonna be enough but let's hope these acquisitions go on. Hope we could triple the number of Sokols in BSAIII's term (two years lead time for every purchase) and more attack helos.

20?Only?we have more than 10 regions and hundreds of islands, those twenty copters are not enough, we need to have 10 each regions, even we include the broncos, all flyable aircraft of PAF still it's not enough on counter insurgency, we need those SOKOLS modified for attack duties not for RNR mode of transpo of fat-ass generals and politicians and their kabits and dependents!!!

do we have an armed insurgency for every province in the country? the NPA insurgency is already considered a police problem while the Moro insurgency is only isolated to 5 neighboring provinces in Mindanao.. and besides the PAF works on a squadron/wing/base command structure.. you should not forget that it's a military institution not a line agency which needs to station assets for every province/region..

besides, those 20 MG-520's are not the only assets that Atienza AB has.. think about it

The WB once reported that something like 30 to 50 pct of government revenues is lost to corruption, with up to 40 pct of what remains used for debt maintenance. Similar problems affect the military, and worse, the costs are passed on to citizens.

Given that, the PH government has to concentrate on dealing with the problem of corruption first, and to use available funds to meet at least basic needs of soldiers and police men, especially boots and food.

do we have an armed insurgency for every province in the country? the NPA insurgency is already considered a police problem while the Moro insurgency is only isolated to 5 neighboring provinces in Mindanao.. and besides the PAF works on a squadron/wing/base command structure.. you should not forget that it's a military institution not a line agency which needs to station assets for every province/region..

besides, those 20 MG-520's are not the only assets that Atienza AB has.. think about it

san kba nkatira? sa mindanao palang or say basilan kulang yang sampong mg540 nayan,..alam moba na constricted na ng NPA ang MM? sa antipolo. sa rizal,..lumabas ka NCR, puro baluarte ng mga NPA yan, sa mga abu sayyaf palang, yang 20 na cnasabi mo bka kukulangin pa yan, tsaka lagpas sampong probinsya baluarte ng mga MI bka dmo alam,..isa pa mga lost commands ng mga MI at MNLF, kulang assets ng AFP! kaya pala walang air support yung nadali sa basilan kasi marami tayong attack choppers,..

besides, those 20 MG-520's are not the only assets that Atienza AB has.. think about it

@d7beast, care to read?

if only you know the assessment of the 15th SW with regards to COIN assets.. and you should know that not all COIN offensives need air support.. COIN warfare in the country now borders on squad/platoon based covert ops.. not the type of warfare that you saw Robin Padilla in the movies..

at the height of the insurgency in the 70's and 80's perhaps.. when massive infantry, armor, and artillery offensives involving thousands of soldiers in battalions were common in Luzon, Negros, and Mindanao.. but the situation today is different, the enemy is surgically scattered in known lairs with limited movement due to restrictions.. this also calls for surgical strikes with little or zero air support needed, as the operations only involve infantry squads and platoons from the elite units (LRC,SRR,etc.)

what the PAF actually needs in COIN is surveillance planes and UAV's which we hardly have.. i'm talking high-altitude and urban recon which only the former assets i've mentioned can sustain.. the OV-10 is too noisy for surveillance and flies too low for stealth recon while the SF-260 has a problem dealing with surveillance equipment since it's a basic trainer in the first place.

Gen. Efren Abu's defense paper also reflects this need in COIN especially with the 15th SW.. but of course, additional gunships and attack helo's are always welcome

We need more of those "del pilar" cutters station along palawan island and sulu para pwedeng ratratin ang mga Abu Sayyaf when they pull off another dos palmas.

We need more of those "del pilar" cutters station along palawan island and sulu para pwedeng ratratin ang mga Abu Sayyaf when they pull off another dos palmas.

BRP del Pilar is stationed at Ulugan Bay, Palawan.. travel time to Sulu Archipelago more or less would take 6-8 hours on full power..

no worries though, since we have gunboats stationed at Calarian Naval Base, Zamboanga which is more effective in dealing with the Abu Sayyaf and all the kidnapping groups which frequent that area..

if you can recall Task Force Stingray, the TF which was formed to prevent another Dos Palmas, consisted of small gunboats like the Yap-class, Batillo-class and the Andrada-class.. we also have a PN coastal watch station there :cheers:

@d7beast, care to read?

if only you know the assessment of the 15th SW with regards to COIN assets.. and you should know that not all COIN offensives need air support.. COIN warfare in the country now borders on squad/platoon based covert ops.. not the type of warfare that you saw Robin Padilla in the movies..

that's your assessment of the NPAs and the MILFs and ABU SAYAFF??? no wonder, the soldiers were always routed at the enemies homecourt,..kung patas ang laban walang armour, artillery at air support, ubos sundalo natin! ano ka ba????all of the terrorists and the rebels are master of their terrain, air support is crucial to the soldiers survival on these places not familiar to them, kaya d matapostapos at maubos ubos mga yan pang recon at squad-based lang pala AFP??, susunggaban lang ng mga battle-hardened na MILF or NPA, parang dinilaan lang yang squad mo,..halos na wipe-out nga yung isang platoon ng special forces e, tas sasabihin mo no need???kamote,..bottom line we need those SOKOLS modified and armed tsaka i-deploy na sa mindanao yan bka gawin lang personal na ariarian ng mga opisyales ng gbyerno yan,..

that's your assessment of the NPAs and the MILFs and ABU SAYAFF??? no wonder, the soldiers were always routed at the enemies homecourt,..kung patas ang laban walang armour, artillery at air support, ubos sundalo natin! ano ka ba????all of the terrorists and the rebels are master of their terrain, air support is crucial to the soldiers survival on these places not familiar to them, kaya d matapostapos at maubos ubos mga yan pang recon at squad-based lang pala AFP??, susunggaban lang ng mga battle-hardened na MILF or NPA, parang dinilaan lang yang squad mo,..halos na wipe-out nga yung isang platoon ng special forces e, tas sasabihin mo no need???kamote,..bottom line we need those SOKOLS modified and armed tsaka i-deploy na sa mindanao yan bka gawin lang personal na ariarian ng mga opisyales ng gbyerno yan,..
On the lighter side of the discussion, pwede bang "dilaan lang ng kalaban" ang mga sundalo natin? Hahahahaha!

Back to the topic: It would be better if our military planners overdo their preparations than to expect a lighter resistance. Di ba sabi nila, better to be over-reacting than be sorry? Siguro mas mura lang bumili ng kabaong kesa bumili ng gamit sa giyera, ano?

Kaya kayong mga may anak na gustong pumasok sa hukbong sandatahan, kelangan mabilis tumakbo dahil minsan walang reinforcement o kung meron man, matagal pa ang dating! Kakahiya ano?

that's your assessment of the NPAs and the MILFs and ABU SAYAFF??? no wonder, the soldiers were always routed at the enemies homecourt,..kung patas ang laban walang armour, artillery at air support, ubos sundalo natin! ano ka ba????all of the terrorists and the rebels are master of their terrain, air support is crucial to the soldiers survival on these places not familiar to them, kaya d matapostapos at maubos ubos mga yan pang recon at squad-based lang pala AFP??, susunggaban lang ng mga battle-hardened na MILF or NPA, parang dinilaan lang yang squad mo,..halos na wipe-out nga yung isang platoon ng special forces e, tas sasabihin mo no need???kamote,..bottom line we need those SOKOLS modified and armed tsaka i-deploy na sa mindanao yan bka gawin lang personal na ariarian ng mga opisyales ng gbyerno yan,..

it's not my own assessment, it's the AFP brass' assessment.. let's be clear on that.. i have access to the NDCP library so that influences me in viewing the AFP.. ikaw, what is your basis? war movies?

so mas magaling ka pa sa AFP.. good, why don't you join them then?

you can't even ground your opinion on anything substantial or factual other than your penchant for an all-out war.. typical rambo-style mentality with no knowledge of military tactics, that will kill us all for sure

all you think and say is that the AFP needs to get a ton of everything in the world except pan de sal..

but have you even entertained the reasons why the AFP is not doing what you want in a particular concern?

konting isip naman dyan.. lahat ng decision ng AFP, kung hindi lang naman budget ang problema, eh may rason talaga..

but i do respect your view if that's what you think.. but yet again, it's just another opinion just like mine, which i base on the tons of defense papers which i've already read

bottom line of my own opinion, dapat modified ang SOKOLS na yan, let's maximize our capability we don't have the luxury to buy specialized copters, ang ibig ko lang ipahiwatig arm the choppers to serve and justify its price tag, rocket pods, chain guns yan lang pare dmona kailangan magbasa ng sangkaterbang doctored documents,..look at the ground my friend, ABU SAYAFF lang na 300, dkayang lipulin ng lahat ng klaseng special forces dahil alam mo kasing tapang at kasing experto ang mga yan kumpara sa AFP natin kaya yang CAS na yan ay KAILANGAN to make a difference intyende???para kang rear echelon ng military puro ka basa ng mga sugar-coated documents and reports, visit and live in mindanao so that you will know our AFPs adversaries,..

my Hiskul teacher told me he used to be a soldier. he said that war in mindanao can be finished in a month. but the generals wont do it coz they'll lose their business... war is a business...

from manila standard today (http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideNation.htm?f=2012/january/14/nation1.isx&d=2012/january/14)


PSG to get rocket launchers

by Florante S. Solmerin


ROCKET launchers for the Presidential Security Group worth P37.44 million are part of a P3.3-billion shipment of new war materiel due this October.

The Armed Forces of the Philippines Modernization Management Office disclosed Friday that the purchase of the war materiel was negotiated with foreign suppliers years ago.

Included in the list of deliveries are 33 units of multi-purpose rocket launchers for the PSG.
The AFPMMO said the launchers were acquired in view of the recent developments in addressing international terrorism which necessitates the upgrading and enhancing of PSG’s capability to interdict both conventional and unconventional vehicle-borne attacks and a variety of targets.

^^ i cant think of an immediate threat that PSG would need a rocket launcher, are the targets invading tanks, heavy armored transports?

my Hiskul teacher told me he used to be a soldier. he said that war in mindanao can be finished in a month. but the generals wont do it coz they'll lose their business... war is a business...

Kayang kaya ng AFP mga yan but kakampi ng Human Rights, Party list groups and media(abs-cbn) ang mga kalaban ng sundalo.

my Hiskul teacher told me he used to be a soldier. he said that war in mindanao can be finished in a month. but the generals wont do it coz they'll lose their business... war is a business...
Agree. Before we lost my uncle in the 80's, we heard similar stories from him. They were about to rout the main group of an MN when they got orders to withdraw from higher command. Soldiers as they were, they followed orders.

^^ i cant think of an immediate threat that PSG would need a rocket launcher, are the targets invading tanks, heavy armored transports?

^^ para xakin lang ha... mas may sense pa if i invest nila to sa land forces natin kesa dyan sa PSG hehe... bumili nalang sana sila ng ibang high tech equipments para sa PSG... :)

paranoid na si Noy, baka daw sugurin siya ni gma sa malacanang...:lol:

^^ para xakin lang ha... mas may sense pa if i invest nila to sa land forces natin kesa dyan sa PSG hehe... bumili nalang sana sila ng ibang high tech equipments para sa PSG... :)

Feeling siguro ni Aquin0 ay lulusubin ng mga tao ang Malacanang dahil sa kagaguhan na pinaggagawa nya:lol::lol:

bottom line of my own opinion, dapat modified ang SOKOLS na yan, let's maximize our capability we don't have the luxury to buy specialized copters, ang ibig ko lang ipahiwatig arm the choppers to serve and justify its price tag, rocket pods, chain guns yan lang pare dmona kailangan magbasa ng sangkaterbang doctored documents,..look at the ground my friend, ABU SAYAFF lang na 300, dkayang lipulin ng lahat ng klaseng special forces dahil alam mo kasing tapang at kasing experto ang mga yan kumpara sa AFP natin kaya yang CAS na yan ay KAILANGAN to make a difference intyende???para kang rear echelon ng military puro ka basa ng mga sugar-coated documents and reports, visit and live in mindanao so that you will know our AFPs adversaries,..

Nagbasa ka na ba kung anong klaseng modfication pwedeng isagawa sa bagong helicopter? Madaling magsabi ng kung anu-anong kabalbalan tungkol sa modipikasyon lalo na kung hindi ikaw ang gagawa at hindi ikaw ang magpaplano. Di pa nga dumadating dito sa Pinas gusto na agad imodify.

Buti na lang pinagbawalan akong manood ng mga war movies nung kabataan ko at pinagpayuhan na magaral ng mabuti.

Buti na lang pinagbawalan akong manood ng mga war movies nung kabataan ko at pinagpayuhan na magaral ng mabuti.

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paranoid na si Noy, baka daw sugurin siya ni gma sa malacanang...:lol:

Natawa naman ako dito sir hahaha :) ^^ Natutuwa naman ako kay Pnoy pagdating sa military programs ng kanyang administration.

Nagbasa ka na ba kung anong klaseng modfication pwedeng isagawa sa bagong helicopter? Madaling magsabi ng kung anu-anong kabalbalan tungkol sa modipikasyon lalo na kung hindi ikaw ang gagawa at hindi ikaw ang magpaplano. Di pa nga dumadating dito sa Pinas gusto na agad imodify.

Buti na lang pinagbawalan akong manood ng mga war movies nung kabataan ko at pinagpayuhan na magaral ng mabuti.

sira karin ano???ano palagay mo sa mga filipino engineers kasing 0b0b mo????if i have a way i can modify the fucking thing, are you nuts?dkaba nag-iisip???kung jan ako nagtatrabaho, ako magmomodify nyan tanga!ano akala mo sakin???wag ka magumpisa ng daldal na parang asong ulol kung ikaw mismo ay hinde technical na tao, kaya parang napakahirap ng pag-modify nyan, UGUK! sasabat kapa para namang ogag comment mo!!! HOI palkups, opinion ko yun na dapat modified yan para mapakinabangan sa gyera hinde sa pang serbis lang flip karin umintinde ano???pagisipan mo sabat mo bago ka mag-comment!!!

my Hiskul teacher told me he used to be a soldier. he said that war in mindanao can be finished in a month. but the generals wont do it coz they'll lose their business... war is a business...

crazy idea,..you don't know the place well, you can ask every true mindanaoan isang buwan kaya mong lipulin ang mga terorista, private armies, MI/MNLF, ABUs, NPAs sa condition ng AFP natin???alam mo/nya ba gano kalaki mindanao at mga isla nito???alam mo/nya ba anong geography nito???alam mo/nya ba yung mountain range from gensan to surigao kung gano kalaki at gano kalayo???baka CHDF yang teacher mo, d nya alam pinagsasabi niya,..

sa tagal ng war sa mindanao hindi pa ba nila alam ang geography nyan. i think walang political will to end that conflict.

sa tagal ng war sa mindanao hindi pa ba nila alam ang geography nyan. i think walang political will to end that conflict.

it's easy when you refer to a map, but when you're in the ground, the mountain ranges and forests covers are like endless wilderness, surigao to gensan is about 12~15hrs by bus, imagine mo nalang kung susuyurin mo yan,..i know of one regional unit of the NPA use to traverse these mountain ranges in a month, showing along the municipalities in it's wake, he is a very well-known commander since the 80's,..

what i like about this admin is how fast (relatively) military acquisitions are being made. Meron nang paparating na ikalawang-Hamilton class at under-negotiation na ang ikatlo. Bukod pa diyan ang F16s , mortars, RPGs at fast crafts na nasa pipeline na.

I believe that the PZW W 3 Sokols would mainly be used for Palawan and the Spratleys due to it's long range of around 700km, it would almost be the only helicopters in the inventory capable of comfortably flying from Puerto princessa Palawan to Pag asa island in the Spratleys, the Hueys would struggle and certainly have to get it right on the dot if they tried to do so .

2nd i don't believe that the delays are due to the Polish company having labour issues or because they were swamped by orders, the PAF is basically the only real customer of this size currently on their books .

If the paf is to splash out on modern medium sized helicopters id say a mix of NH90's and Mil Mi 171SH helicopters these two are more useful than Black hawks due to their rear loading ramps and generally greater passenger capacity, altho the NH90's are expensive commensurate however with their advanced and spacious design so it's worth it while the MI 171SH on the other hand is no frills and dirt cheap for a helicopter of that size and capability .

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UH-72

With regards light helicopters something for use as a utility, medevac or light attack helicopter to replace the md500's etc id go with the UH-72 Lakota it's based on the popular and best selling EC145/135 eurocopter .

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Top off the list with a couple of Sikorski CH53 super stallions for the heavy lift helicopter category .

what i like about this admin is how fast (relatively) military acquisitions are being made. Meron nang paparating na ikalawang-Hamilton class at under-negotiation na ang ikatlo. Bukod pa diyan ang F16s , mortars, RPGs at fast crafts na nasa pipeline na.

Panoys legacy may lie on the AFP modernization which the previous admins failed due to corruption within the very heart of AFP and possibly the peace pact with the rebels, other than that i cannot think of a better economic performance in the remainder of his term,..

is the numerous credit upgrade not qualified as an economic achievement?

is the numerous credit upgrade not qualified as an economic achievement?

i am not an economist, but overall condition of most filipinos remained unchanged,..

The economic condition of most Filipinos will not change in mere two years. It'll take a looooonnnnnnnnnggggggggg time before the trickles of economic progress will be felt. Besides, there are tons of factors to consider. Kahit Amerikano ka pa, kung tamad ka rin lang habambuhay ka ring maghihirap. Same is true with the military.

The economic condition of most Filipinos will not change in mere two years. It'll take a looooonnnnnnnnnggggggggg time before the trickles of economic progress will be felt. Besides, there are tons of factors to consider. Kahit Amerikano ka pa, kung tamad ka rin lang habambuhay ka ring maghihirap. Same is true with the military.

right,..but panoys economic performance is luckluster, IMO,..

The economic condition of most Filipinos will not change in mere two years. It'll take a looooonnnnnnnnnggggggggg time before the trickles of economic progress will be felt. Besides, there are tons of factors to consider. Kahit Amerikano ka pa, kung tamad ka rin lang habambuhay ka ring maghihirap. Same is true with the military.
Sorry for responding to O/T:

I agree. One should work and sweat it out to earn a living, to improve, and live a better life. But it is sad if the people work harder and the government squanders every opportunity. All the fruits of labor the people made comes to naught if government continues to make our environment chaotic. Why is the government not able to secure the very peace that nurtures productivity? While we had peace, government says there's bomb!

Do our leaders need to take all our produce for us to have peace in return? Can you part with your hard earned money to fill the pockets of our politicians all in the guise of good governance; yet you see none?

right,..but panoys economic performance is luckluster, IMO,..

he's too occupied with politics...we'll see this year.

whoa,..do you think we jeopardize the F16s??? the west is in a very difficult situation with Iran now, and panoys pronouncement is bad timing,..we need the f16 delivered first before talking about the economic sanctions on Iran, IMO,..

Phl seeks consideration in US sanctions vs. Iran
(philstar.com) Updated January 16, 2012 09:01 PM Comments (0)

MANILA, Philippines (Xinhua) - President Benigno Aquino III said today that he has asked some US lawmakers to consider the Philippines' interests, in the West's imposition of economic sanctions against the Iran.

The Philippines wants to maintain non-harmful trade activities with Iran, he said in a chance interview in Tarlac province.

"We have mentioned to other foreign parties that have visited us that 30 percent of the Philippines' banana exports goes to Iran. .. We hope that they understand that this is a very big market for Filipinos while we do not want nuclear proliferation."

He said that he had asked some US lawmakers to consider the Philippines' interests, particularly the fate of its "non-harmful" but viable trade with Iran.

Aquino said the visiting US lawmakers seem to have " understood" the Philippines' position, leading him to believe that they may take it into consideration in terms of the economic sanctions against Iran.

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