Sabi dito sa CNN nag break up na daw acdg to pentagon

Baka naman naalis lang yung isang part

No nag fail na entirely.. Malapit lang daw sa launch pad nag break up

OMG. Keep us posted

I'm watching morning news at Umagang Kay Ganda (at ABSCBN and ANC) and A big "Breaking News" is flashing on the screen saying North Korea has already launch its missile

wait i'll change channel to CNN (I hate the news at UKG)

Cant wait to read about it in the news :lol:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120409031843-north-korea-missile-check-t1-main.jpg
Pyongyang, North Korea (CNN) -- Defying warnings from the international community, North Korea launched a long-range rocket into orbit on Friday, two U.S. officials said.

The North Koreans have said the rocket was needed to launch a weather satellite into orbit.

Tokyo, which had threatened to shoot down the rocket if it appeared to be threatening its territory, had called for restraint. But Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda said Thursday, "We are fully prepared to deal with any contingency," according to the news agency Kyodo.

Countries that include the United States and South Korea see the launch as a cover for a ballistic missile test. International leaders had urged North Korea to cancel the launch, but Pyongyang refused to back down, insisting the operation is for peaceful purposes.


see video at:

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/12/world/asia/north-korea-launch/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

oo nga fail nga...:lol: reading the comments.
Man, this is like I think the 2nd or third time :lol:

If only the money were used to feed their people!

oo nga fail nga...:lol: reading the comments.
Man, this is like I think the 2nd or third time :lol:

If only the money were used to feed their people!

hahahaha :lol::lol::lol::lol: hindi natutulog ang Diyos

hahahaha :lol::lol::lol::lol: hindi natutulog ang Diyos

Effective yata prayers ng CBCP...di ba nagannounce sila na sana di ituloy ng NK? I think God heard their prayers :lol::lol::lol:

Effective yata prayers ng CBCP...di ba nagannounce sila na sana di ituloy ng NK? I think God heard their prayers :lol::lol::lol:

hahaha pero sana hindi na sila mag-launch, pero baka in few days or weeks mag-aanounce uli sila na mag-lalaunch uli. Let's stay vigilant parin. Nakakatawa palang sa ngayon na pumalpak ang launch :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I think their "scientists" are quacks. :lol:

Baka sa Recto nila kinuha yung "degrees" din nila? :lol:

No nag fail na entirely.. Malapit lang daw sa launch pad nag break up

buti hindi sa Fort Bonifacio nalaglag ang debris:lol:

sayang ang gastos, marami pa namn nagugutom na Koreans, dami na sanang noodles yun:D

Made in China siguro yung mga piyesa:rofl:


ang hindi nila alam, ginamitan na ng dasal ng mga albularyo yan para malaglag ang missile:lol:

Come to think of it, it's been decades since their "famine" and they can't do anything about it. What more with their rockets and whatnots :lol:

buti hindi sa Fort Bonifacio nalaglag ang debris:lol:


Made in China siguro yung mga piyesa:rofl:


wahahaha maaaring magkabukingan na siguro (that China is helping NK for its missile launch program)

Ano kaya sasabihin ng makakaliwa?

nadinig ng Diyos ang dasal natin sa Missile launch (that it will fail), sana pati narin Scarborough ay mapa-sa atin narin hehehehe

Effective yata prayers ng CBCP...di ba nagannounce sila na sana di ituloy ng NK? I think God heard their prayers :lol::lol::lol:

This is what happens when you learn from China:lol::lol:
Actually, I was praying that cloudy or even rain (umuulan d2 ngayon) would hinder the launch. But this is better. Thank you Lord.:D

serious nga?
BECAUSE it's made in CHINA!!!!

Now, we can position our troops and Navy on the Western portion of the country.

Edit: No wonder China does not want NK to launch it. Palpak :lol:

Come to think of it, it's been decades since their "famine" and they can't do anything about it. What more with their rockets and whatnots :lol:
In almost every utopian communist country, their leadership fatten their bellies and can afford to build rockets while their own people STARVE to death!

sumablay ang TAE PO DONG:rofl:

sumablay ang TAE PO DONG:rofl:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

TOKYO - North Korea's launch of a rocket on Friday that has drawn international criticism has failed, US broadcaster ABC News said on its website, citing US officials.

ABC cited anonymous US officials as saying the missile is believed to have crashed into the sea. –Reuters

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/254771/news/world/north-korea-s-rocket-launch-fails-mdash-abc-news

sumablay ang TAE PO DONG:rofl:

:lol::lol::lol: Made in China.

Ha ha ha North Korea missile launched, but broken apart before escaping earth's atmosphere. Ha ha ha ha. Na hack cguro nang USA.

lol Singapore........pathetic.......I never considered them a country. Land with no culture.

It is a multi-cultural country.

alam ko di decommision na ng US ang mga battleships nila bka pwede natin bilhin ito, or hingin nalang natin, USS IOWA, MISSOURI, WISCONSIN:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/BB61_USS_Iowa_BB61_broadside_USN.jpg/603px-BB61_USS_Iowa_BB61_broadside_USN.jpg

We also need a squadron of F-18 super hornets fast!!!

That's Fantasy! Don't you even consider the cost?

Now, we can position our troops and Navy on the Western portion of the country.

Edit: No wonder China does not want NK to launch it. Palpak :lol:

How about the insurgency and terrorism threat in Mindanao that can easily be unleashed when left unguarded? 70% of the AFP is concentrated in the South.

Najam kaya? :lol:

^^^^Suspetsa ko lang baka nga China made yung rocket pero pinalalabas na Korean kaya pumalpak.:lol:

Crappy china made masquerading as North Korean..:lol::lol:

It is a multi-cultural country.



That's Fantasy! Don't you even consider the cost?



How about the insurgency and terrorism threat in Mindanao that can easily be unleashed when left unguarded? 70% of the AFP is concentrated in the South.

While there was a stand off, 20 Vietnamese poachers were arrested. If we have more people guarding the Western area, these "poachers" (they could be government spies disguising as poachers) will likely think twice before coming near our shore.

immune sa radiation ang mga bakal boys! lol

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/533394_339939542731675_200456710013293_937979_1612616262_n.jpg

I love this!:lol::lol::lol::cheers::cheers::cheers:

It may have been attacked by Electronic Signals or some (classified) passive anti-missile technology of the US.

Just weeks ago, the US successfully put a new Satellite in Orbit.

Who knows what other capabilities it can do?

The singaporeans are merely keyboard warriors, I bet their maids are going to be in the frontlines in case Singapore gets into war. You see, an NS guy even has his maid carrying his belongings!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Singapore is unofficially an SAR (Special Administrative Region) of China. A boring place but with girls with fantastic legs..toinks!:lol::lol:

It may have been attacked by Electronic Signals or some (classified) passive anti-missile technology of the US.

Baka nga lang may naglalaro ng remote control dun sa japan at nagulo na yung electronic frequency/signal nung rocket/kwitis ng North Korea na made by China's inferior pirated technology.:lol::lol:

This are interesting sets of photos

http://www.facebook.com/media/albums/?id=121181944590673

(some albums ar ein the Phils)

This are interesting sets of photos

http://www.facebook.com/media/albums/?id=121181944590673

(some albums ar ein the Phils)

Proof that Daddy Sugar is just in the kitchen while Baby Philippines is whining in her bedroom.:lol::lol::lol:

Proof that Daddy Sugar is just in the kitchen while Baby Philippines is whining in her bedroom.:lol::lol::lol:

preparing some dede bottle? :lol:

immune sa radiation ang mga bakal boys! lol

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/533394_339939542731675_200456710013293_937979_1612616262_n.jpg

hahahahahha!:lol::lol:

well! well! well! what do we have here! the launch that created much pre-launch chatter and buzz went pppppfffffffffffffffffffttttttttttt!

by the time i will have posted this article on this thread, this breaking (heart-breaking for the NOKORS, that is!) news would have been just about 40 minuets old. to Kim Jong Un, magpalipad ka na lang kasi ng saranggola!

N.Korea rocket launch fails, S.Korea says
By Ju-min Park | Reuters

North Korea's long range rocket crashes into sea
Reuters - 6 minutes ago

N. Korea blasts rocket, Japan says launch failed

SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea's much hyped long-range rocket launch on Friday ended in apparent failure, South Korean officials said, dealing a blow to the prestige of the reclusive and impoverished state that defied international pressure to push ahead with the plan.
North Korea said it wanted the Unha-3 rocket to put a weather satellite into orbit, although critics believed it was designed to enhance the capacity of North Korea to design a ballistic missile deliver a nuclear warhead capable of hitting the continental United States.
A spokesman for the Defence Ministry in Seoul told journalists that the rocket had broken up and crashed into the sea a few minutes after launch.
Officials from Japan confirmed the mission had failed, while ABC News cited U.S. officials saying it had failed, although there was no immmediate indication of where it fell.
The rocket's flight was set to take it over a sea separating the Korean peninsula, with an eventual launch of a third stage of the rocket in seas near the Philippines that would have put the satellite into orbit.
This was North Korea's second consecutive failure to get a satellite into orbit, although it claimed success with a 2009 launch and there was no comment on the launch from North Korea's official media.
The Unha-3 rocket took off from a new launch site on the west coast of North Korea, near the Chinese border.
The launch had been timed to coincide with the 100th birthday celebrations of the isolated and impoverished state's founder, Kim Il-sung, and came after a food aid deal with the United States had hinted at an easing of tensions on the world's most militarised border.
(Additional reporting by TOKYO newsroom; Writig by David Chance and Jonathan Hopfner; Editing by Raju Gopalakrishnan)

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/north-korea-launches-rocket-amid-international-condemnation-231525748.html

^^ If only they used the money for their research on how to grow more food rather than always begging for food aid.

at the time of this post, this is the CNN breaking news freshly uploaded on youtube. it appears this rocket is powered by 1960s soviet rocket technology.

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Umalis na daw ung isa sa tatlong Chinese vessel sa Scarborough.. Baka malapit na rin maubos ang langis at pagkain sa loob..:lol:

We can still run a WW2 ship yet they can't make a 1960's rocket work??

Umalis na daw ung isa sa tatlong Chinese vessel sa Scarborough.. Baka malapit na rin maubos ang langis at pagkain sa loob..:lol:

From what I have read, resupply lang ata yung isa. Baka yung umalis nagresupply lang pero sana magback out sila

a bbc correspondent makes an enlightening video documentary on the way to the rocket's launch site. watching this video, one would think he has entered an Orwellian world of systemic suppression, oppression and manipulation that the state inflicts on its own people. rockets instead of food, shelter, and basic rights and services. look at their control room at 1:45! it's laughable. Houston, we have a problem! LOL!

BBC News - Footage of North Korea rocket plan condemned by US 2012
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^^^^ really? :lol: :cheers: 1960s technology meaning they dont have 100% control over it?

I read the CNN report and it was just in the air for one minute. :rofl: It woud've been poetice justice if after one minute had passed, that the rocket fell back to its source, Pyongyang and exploded in all their gook faces. Or in their next launch if they can keep the rocket in the air and looking at the North Asian regional map, :lol: that the rocket will explode somewhere very near Shanghai. With 1960s technology the possibilities are high.

"This was supposed to be associated with (Kim Jong Un's) ascension to power. So for this thing to fail ... is incredibly embarrassing," said Victor Cha, former director of Asian affairs for the U.S. National Security Council and now a Georgetown University professor.

Japan's Chief Cabinet Secretary Osamu Fujimura said the rocket remained in the air for slightly more than a minute, then fell into the ocean. It did not affect Japanese territory, he said.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/12/world/asia/north-korea-launch/index.html

From what I have read, resupply lang ata yung isa. Baka yung umalis nagresupply lang pero sana magback out sila

wag na silang mag back out para lalong humaba sa international page ang issue na to at lalo sila mapahiya

^^^^ really? :lol: :cheers: 1960s technology meaning they dont have 100% control over it?

I read the CNN report and it was just in the air for one minute. :rofl: It woud've been poetice justice if after one minute had passed, that the rocket fell back to its source, Pyongyang and exploded in all their gook faces. Or if they can keep the rocket in the air and looking at the North Asian regional map, :lol: that the rocket will explode somewhere very near Shanghai. With 1960s technology the possibilities are high.




http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/12/world/asia/north-korea-launch/index.html


How I wish it just crashed on their land rather than on sea :nuts:

wag na silang mag back out para lalong humaba sa international page ang issue na to at lalo sila mapahiya

Kung sabagay. Pinaguusapan na sa mga forum. The traditional international media has to catch up. I hope after this failed launch eh mapulot talaga ng CNN at BBC at sa aired news pa talaga ifeature :lol:

hitsura pa lang nakakahiya na talaga sila:lol: kidding:D

hayaan nyo na mga singaporeans na yan, mga insecure lang yan sila sa mga pinoy kasi nga naman parang uubusin na ata daw ng pinoy trabaho nila kasi tingnan nyo naman sila parang mga inutil di makakilos na wala yung mga maids nila :lol: tapas ang tatapang pa magsalita, without their modern weapons they're nothing but a bunch of garbage

How I wish it just crashed on their land rather than on sea :nuts:Is it just me, but even after all this had passed (for the moment, till next missile show time folks) I still find K Pop afficionados utterly revolting.

hayaan nyo na mga singaporeans na yan, mga insecure lang yan sila sa mga pinoy kasi nga naman parang uubusin na ata daw ng pinoy trabaho nila kasi tingnan nyo naman sila parang mga inutil di makakilos na wala yung mga maids nila :lol: tapas ang tatapang pa magsalita, without their modern weapons they're nothing but a bunch of garbage

I find them funny kaya I posted it here. For a developed nation, they lack critical thinkers :lol:

don't celebrate yet. the mere fact that the North Koreans deliberately tried to use the East Philippine Sea as a destination for their ballistic missile/rocket just revealed how vulnerable we are as a country because of our decrepit military.

di nyo ba alam yung kapatid ng leader ng norkor ngayon is nasa kamay ng mga chikom??? never believe a single word from these 2 countries puro mga traidor to. sana yung missile nila dyan puputok sa kanila :lol:

don't celebrate yet. the mere fact that the North Koreans deliberately tried to use the East Philippine Sea as a destination for their ballistic missile/rocket just revealed how vulnerable we are as a country because of our decrepit military.

israeli is dat choo?

don't celebrate yet. the mere fact that the North Koreans deliberately tried to use the East Philippine Sea as a destination for their ballistic missile/rocket just revealed how vulnerable we are as a country because of our decrepit military.

kaya nga somehow i think these recent incidence are somewaht a blessings in disguise for us kasi it can awaken us and our leaders. weak country don't a voice and don't have a right to exist in this world kaya we have no choice but to arm ourselves aside from of course our faith in our GOD. that is already an added bonus to us which is wala sa mga kaaway kasi mga communista naman sila.

^^^^ really? :lol: :cheers: 1960s technology meaning they dont have 100% control over it?

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/12/world/asia/north-korea-launch/index.html

methinks a faithful and an accurate grip of that 1960s soviet rocket technology would have been more than enough to make the launch a successful one. what NOKOR has right now is apparently a stripped down and misunderstood version of that legacy technology. that's the most likely reason why the rocket was airborne for only a minuet! LOL!

dapat may rally na sa harap ng chinese embassy, san na masisipag nating rallyista????mga senador at congressman natin wala man lang boses sa pag depensa sa bansa natin???

israeli is dat choo?

good morning! :)

good morning! :)

why different name?

North Korea launches long-range missile; launch

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/north-korea-launches-long-range-missile-232147093.html fails

This comment made me LOL.
North Korean newspaper headline today: "Self Destruct Mechanism of Rocket Glorious Success".

It is high time to reverse the wrong pubic perception, folks.
I cant access the Strait Times coz its by subscription, but this came from an early 2010 news article published by the Philippine embassy in Singapore which was later picked up by Pres. Aquino.

SINGAPORE (via PLDT) – Contrary to public perception, Filipino professionals and highly skilled workers outnumber domestic helpers in Singapore.

President Aquino said many Filipinos in Singapore work as accountants, financial managers and advisers.

Of the 177,600 Filipinos in Singapore, a sizeable number, or 106,600 are professionals, while the remaining 71,000 are domestic helpers, according to data from the Philippine embassy.

- By Delon Porcalla
http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?93861-Pinoy-professionals-in-Singapore-outnumber-maids-President-Aquino



This was also published in the Straits Times last Mar 2012. I posted this article in the Economy Thread last month but the mods deleted it for being politically incorrect. This, among other things, is some of the reasons why some feel insecure about their future, and insecure against immigrants. Because the good Dr. Rosling had said immigration was key to solving their declining birth rates. If Filos keep the numbers up, Singapore might well end up as a Filipino colony. :D :D

Singaporeans in danger of extinction?

Jessica Cheam Straits Times 25 Mar 12;

Singaporeans are in danger of disappearing by 2100 if they continue not having enough babies.

Dr Hans Rosling made that prediction as he said Singapore has yet to feel the brunt of declining fertility and a rapidly ageing society.


HUMOROUS YET DEADLY SERIOUS

Dr Hans Rosling teaches global health at Sweden's Karolinska Institutet, which selects winners for the Nobel Prize in medicine, but is arguably more well-known for his humorous but 'deadly serious' lectures on statistics which he conducts worldwide and which are viewed by millions on the Web.

He was in Singapore earlier this month to give a lecture organised by the Royal Geographical Society.

http://wildsingaporenews.blogspot.com/2012/03/singaporeans-in-danger-of-extinction.html

kailan kaya tayo makaka avail nito? this is the patriot air and missile defense system. it has the ability to shoot down both incoming enemy aircraft and airborne enemy missiles. wish mode!

Raytheon - Patriot Air And Missile Defense System (PAC-3) Simulation [480p]
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israeli is dat choo?is he really of Jewish descent?

kailan kaya tayo makaka avail nito? this is the patriot air and missile defense system. it has the ability to shoot down both incoming enemy aircraft and airborne enemy missiles. wish mode!

Raytheon - Patriot Air And Missile Defense System (PAC-3) Simulation [480p]
6hrZ4d1KxGYAs soon as the plunderers both in military and the politicos stop their pagnanakaw and return their unexplained wealth.

why different name?

because i first registered here using this nickname. i never changed nicknames since then. :D

As soon as the plunderers both in military and the politicos stop their pagnanakaw and return their unexplained wealth.

ay, oo nga!:lol: tama ka dun! the military should be cleansed from top to bottom. a revamp or an overhaul is needed!

dapat may rally na sa harap ng chinese embassy, san na masisipag nating rallyista????mga senador at congressman natin wala man lang boses sa pag depensa sa bansa natin???No, they're too busy with their pork barrels... And other trivialities that can gain the best media mileage, all for show.

DFA: 1 of 3 Chinese vessels in Scarborough standoff leaves; diplomatic talks resume (http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/254783/news/nation/dfa-1-of-3-chinese-vessels-in-scarborough-standoff-leaves-diplomatic-talks-resume)
April 13, 2012 8:38am


The tension at the Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal in the West Philippine Sea appeared to ease early Friday after one of three Chinese ships left the area.

Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) spokesman Raul Hernandez said they were informed by the Chinese embassy in Manila that the Chinese ship that left had another mission.

"Na-inform tayo ng Embassy ng China sa Manila na meron silang ibang mission... 'Yung isa sa tatlo na barko [umalis]," Hernandez said in an interview on dzBB radio.

But he said two other Chinese ships remain in the area, along with the Philippine Coast Guard vessel.

Hernandez also said DFA Secretary Albert del Rosario met with Chinese Ambassador Ma Keqing at 8 a.m., but he did not immediately give further details.

"Nag-uusap si Sec. del Rosario at Ambassador Ma. We think nakakuha siya ng new information from Beijing hinggil sa ating mga panukala para makahanap ng solusyon sa nangyayari sa Scarborough Shoal," he said.

(Del Rosario and Ma are in a meeting. We think they have new information from Beijing and are working toward a solution to address the tension at the Scarborough Shoal.)

The Philippines and China are in another standoff off the shoal this week after the Philippine military accosted Chinese fishermen aboard eight fishing vessels in the area.

When the Philippine Navy's BRP Gregorio del Pilar was about to send teams to board the Chinese fishing vessels, two Chinese maritime surveillance ships blocked its path.

On Thursday, the BRP Gregorio del Pilar left the area, supposedly for refueling and reprovisioning. In its place was a vessel from the Philippine Coast Guard, the search-and-rescue vessel BRP Pampanga.

Navy commander Vice Admiral Alexander Pama said the Gregorio del Pilar was in La Union for "refueling and reprovisioning."

"Nakaalerto ito kung anong susunod na utos," he said in a separate interview on dzBB radio.

Asked if the BRP Gregorio del Pilar will return to the Scarborough area, Pama hinted it may not immediately do so.

"Ang guidance sa amin, hindi dapat paigtingin ang level ng tension doon," he said.

ay, oo nga!:lol: tama ka dun! the military should be cleansed from top to bottom. a revamped or an overhaul is needed! Indeed. Because no matter how much defense aid all the Western Allies pour in, the US or Oz or Japan, most of that aid will just dissipate because the Pinoy bayong is too full of holes.

Waste of time, waste of money, and waste of defense aid till the bayong is fully replaced.

okay, aight.... Now that the Nokor missile dud and the Chinese ship episodes seem to have waned a bit and gave us some breathing space, we await with bated breath if our side will do something to strengthen our defense capabilities. Or will the procrastination habit throw it all into archives again until the next challenge by Chinese ships?

because i first registered here using this nickname. i never changed nicknames since then. :D

I see. Why israeli then, are you part israeli or are you a fan of israel?

^^ If only they used the money for their research on how to grow more food rather than always begging for food aid.

why would they grow foods? if their people would be supplied well, they would have the capacity to think for their own self/benefits so why would the leaders of the norkor will do that? they're not that stupid:lol: they want their people to praise them like gods...have you seen their choreographed videos during the burial of their past leader Kim? i just can't believe that in this century there are still people who are like that, and that is only in north korea, it's really fun there:lol::ohno: really poor people they would just die perhaps not seeing the real world.

why would they grow foods? if their people would be supplied well, they would have the capacity to think for their own self/benefits so why would the leaders of the norkor will do that? they're not that stupid:lol: they want their people to praise them like gods...have you seen their choreographed videos during the burial of their past leader Kim? i just can't believe that in this century their are still people who are like that, and that is only in korea, it's really fun there:lol::ohno: really poor people they would justdie perhaps not seeing the real world.

kung sabagay :lol:

I see. Why israeli then, are you part israeli or are you a fan of israel?

to be exact, i'm a fan of both Israel and the Israel Defense Forces. :)

i love the way Israel is projecting itself in an area of the world that is dominated by Arabs. Israel is small but it has proven itself in the area of combat- something that i wish the Philippines will emulate (although i want it to be mixed with us following the principles that were set by Niccolo Machiavelli and Sun Tzu).

okay, aight.... Now that the Nokor missile dud and the Chinese ship episodes seem to have waned a bit and gave us some breathing space, we await with bated breath if our side will do something to strengthen our defense capabilities. Or will the procrastination habit throw it all into archives again until the next challenge by Chinese ships?

at this point, all roads go back to pnoy and his military staffs. with the these two recent events, i wonder what he has in store for the military modernization this year? with the recent credit upgrade that we have, i suppose we can get better deals with lower interest rates if ever the government chooses to purchase new military materiel and systems through loans.

but of course, we should not forget to make answerable, all those who are guilty of blanket corruption in the military that got us into this sorry defense state in the first place. i'm of the opinion that we could also learn lots from our Israeli friends in these times of multi-directional conflicts. learn things from them either through hard power stance or soft power diplomacy, and the combination of both. in these uncertain times, it's always nice to maximize our options.

I really really like the Philippines see having stronger ties with India. It will definitely anger China, and be close to doing something stupid that will put them to shame. I think India can be more reliable than our INUTIL kapitbahays (who look down on us)

ay, oo nga!:lol: tama ka dun! the military should be cleansed from top to bottom. a revamp or an overhaul is needed!

Wish mo lang at wish ko lang din :ohno:

Our politicians are so busy with the coming 2013 elections ... wala silang pakialam kung pinagtatawanan na tayo ng mga kapitbahay natin :ohno:

I really really like the Philippines see having stronger ties with India. It will definitely anger China, and be close to doing something stupid that will put them to shame. I think India can be more reliable than our INUTIL kapitbahays (who look down on us)

i agree with this. :)

i want us to exploit the opportunity of establishing greater ties with India. the Indians are a rising force in this part of the world. they can counter the Chinese militarily when needed, which is why the Chinese are also watching on that side of the world where they share a mountainous border with the Indians. the Chinese are also known to back up the Pakistanis, the Indians' most bitter rivals and a two-faced "ally" of the Americans.

at the same time, i also want us to build strong ties with our closest allies in this part of the world- Thailand, Singapore and Indonesia- and with Brazil, South Africa, and, of course, ISRAEL. ;)

I really really like the Philippines see having stronger ties with India. It will definitely anger China, and be close to doing something stupid that will put them to shame. I think India can be more reliable than our INUTIL kapitbahays (who look down on us)

the international reputation of india, despite her growing power, is non-hegemonic. this is unlike the reputation being built by china that exudes fear among her neighbors. india exports articulate and technically savvy CEOs who are at home in New York as they are in Chennai. i think having closer ties with india is a perfect counterpoint to china's growing but uneasy influence. unlike china, it's a country whose economy is powered by its domestic consumption rather that its over-reliance on exports, which can be subjected to the complex dynamics of global politics and international economics.

china exports globally cheap consumer products whose production and petroleum inputs are voraciously sourced by china from countries that Beijing considers to be within her sphere of influence or worst, areas of dominance. that exported-led economic orientation by china and the persistently middle-kingdom mentality by Beijing are two of the elements that create tensions between this country and her neighbors.

I really really like the Philippines see having stronger ties with India. It will definitely anger China, and be close to doing something stupid that will put them to shame. I think India can be more reliable than our INUTIL kapitbahays (who look down on us)It will definitely rile China because it still sees the Dalai Lama as a visible threat and he is protected by India. Remember how China sternly lectured Vietnam and India because of an exploration deal in the Spratlys?

India dislikes being surrounded by China vassal states like Pakistan and now Sri Lanka, which now hosts a new Chinese naval base. Let's try to be friendlier with India. The way their common tao thinks is pretty much the same as the common tao of the Pinoys, if one looks beyond the stereotyping.

the international reputation of india, despite her growing power, is non-hegemonic. this is unlike the reputation being built by china that exudes fear among her neighbors. india exports articulate and technically savvy CEOS who are at home in New York as they are in Chennai.

china exports globally cheap consumer products whose production and petroleum inputs are voraciously sourced by china from countries that Beijing considers to be within her sphere of influence or worst, domination. that economic orientation by china and mentality by Beijing are two of the elements that create tensions with this country's neighbors.

From the forums I have been, our "neighbors" are looking down at us at this moment of stand off, calling us chickens for not firing and poking at our military for having a USCG ship as our Navy ship but the Indian netizens, in general, do not have that condensation.

Besides, despite their heavy accent when speaking English, their written English is cohesive and understandable unlike some of our "neighbors" who can't write straight English and lack critical thinking and cohesion in their statements :lol:

Malay nyo dumami din paguutangan natin.... joke

^^ our so called "neighbours" are materialistic

^^ The funny thing is that, they have forgotten history. With our dilapidated equipment in WW2, we outlasted them during the Japanese onslaught :lol:

^^ our so called "neighbours" are materialistic


ASEAN group is a big joke! :lol:

if we cannot depend that much on our own neighbors, then, by all means, let us be like Israel- a nation that is so small and surrounded by Arabs who wanted it to be obliterated but it had defeated the Arabs with their both their military might and resolve to survive as a nation.

if we cannot depend that much on our own neighbors, then, by all means, let us be like Israel- a nation that is so small and surrounded by Arabs that wanted it to be obliterated but it had defeated the Arabs with their both their military might and resolve to survive as a nation.

exactly my point!

israel is strong becUse of US support. marami kayang lobbyist for israel sa washington.

Standoff around Scarborough Shoal continues for the 4th straight days ...


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/04/12/sea-dispute-escalates-as-china-and-philippines-deploys-more-warships/

israel is strong becUse of US support. marami kayang lobbyist for israel sa washington.

Israel also has its own technology and basically everyone who is a citizen, except the bedos must serve in the military. Ilang beses na sila inatake ng kapitbahay nila even before they got the full back of the US, hindi sila natalo

why are you guyS citing india, they havent had any strong worda agaonst china regarding what happend, lets lok closer, theres australia! planado ba yung pagbisita ng prine ministr? atleast they have shown vocal support for our territorial security.

^^ India has a potential to be a good ally have we can have their support. China and India has had and still have border disputes. India is also worried about China's growing close ties with Pakistan

exactly my point! The first step of that journey is to strengthen ties with the Jewish State. Hire more consultants from the IDF and encourage Jewish business to thrive in the Philippines.
http://somosophils.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/denis-somoso-the-philippines-israel-flags-friendship-day-2011.png
israel is strong becUse of US support. marami kayang lobbyist for israel sa washington.Partly true, indeed it centres around the Judaeo-Christian belief structure that WASPs adhere to, which is why that lobby is strong. But looking beyond that, even with all the wealth of the United States, if the Israeli bayong was also full of holes due to corruption ay wala ring mangyayari. It is also a proven fact that the Israeli soldier is good at his profession.

Much closer to home, the Philippine bayong is really full of holes, we need a brand new bayong or market bag. The Philippine soldier might also be good, but all that goodness is dissipated by the bloodsucking generals and their greedy families.

take a closer look on the Kashmir issue...

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-10-06/news/30250574_1_chinese-presence-chinese-troops-pok

israel is strong becUse of US support. marami kayang lobbyist for israel sa washington.

so does China. ;)

if the Israelis and the Chinese are doing it in Washington and even in London, Paris, Berlin and Moscow, what's stopping us from doing the same? ;)

Israel is the best model for us to emulate when it comes to beefing up our defenses. Israel is surrounded by countries that wanted it to blown up to bits and yet it was able to defeat them (which is why Egypt and Jordan, the original antagonists of the past Arab-Israeli Wars, eventually backed down and "befriended" Israel) soundly in past wars. Israelis and Jews can be found everywhere in the world, which is why the so-called "Jewish lobby" works very well. lastly, Israel invests significantly on science and technology, education, infrastructure development and defense.

why are you guyS citing india, they havent had any strong worda agaonst china regarding what happend, lets lok closer, theres australia! planado ba yung pagbisita ng prine ministr? atleast they have shown vocal support for our territorial security.

we have mutual enemy with india and india right now can't be consider really a close friend so we need to do a little courting first. with one target and enemy it's easy to make things work. and australia is already there, we don;t need to court them they already vocally expressed their support to us.

It just came into me, The situation of the people in North Korea is kind of like "The Allegory of the Cave"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave

israel is strong becUse of US support. marami kayang lobbyist for israel sa washington.

before the US even became a nation, Israel was already strong. its people became scattered throughout the world but none can ever extinguish the spirit of the Zionist movement. throughout history, many have tried to annihilate it. all have miserably failed.

so does China. ;)

if the Israelis and the Chinese are doing it in Washington and even in London, Paris, Berlin and Moscow, what's stopping us from doing the same? ;)

Israel is the best model for us to emulate when it comes to beefing up our defenses. Israel is surrounded by countries that wanted it to blown up to bits and yet it was able to defeat them (which is why Egypt and Jordan, the original antagonists of the past Arab-Israeli Wars, eventually backed down and "befriended" Israel) soundly in past wars. Israelis and Jews can be found everywhere in the world, which is why the so-called "Jewish lobby" works very well. lastly, Israel invests significantly on science and technology, education, infrastructure development and defense.

:okay::okay:

i really dream that our country's defense could be like israel someday. it's time to make our relationships with israel one tp notch higher. and hopefully as a start we should have an educational reform where the focus is more on science and technology.

The Israeli Bayong is solid and watertight, free of holes.

The Philippine Bayong is awfully full of holes. No amount of pouring in good money one after the other, either from the Phil. Govt or Western allies will fix those holes automatically. Those bloody holes need fixing or else just throw the Bayong away and get a brand new one.

Tag: Nagtatapon lang ng pera pag ipagpipilitan lang na magdisburse ng more funds using the very same corrupt bayong or manghiram kung kani-kaninong bansa hangga't di natakpan ang mga butas na yaan. Nag-aaksaya lang ng oras, panahon at pera.

http://www.lifestylesbacolod.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/bayong.jpg

It will definitely rile China because it still sees the Dalai Lama as a visible threat and he is protected by India. Remember how China sternly lectured Vietnam and India because of an exploration deal in the Spratlys?

India dislikes being surrounded by China vassal states like Pakistan and now Sri Lanka, which now hosts a new Chinese naval base. Let's try to be friendlier with India. The way their common tao thinks is pretty much the same as the common tao of the Pinoys, if one looks beyond the stereotyping.

It looks like Philippines would find a potentially ally in India. Why not? Maybe they can supply us with cheaper military hardware in the future.

Israel also has its own technology and basically everyone who is a citizen, except the bedos must serve in the military. Ilang beses na sila inatake ng kapitbahay nila even before they got the full back of the US, hindi sila natalo

i agree. :)

during the past Arab-Israeli Wars, the Israelis were equipped with mostly French- and British-made weapons and equipment while the Arabs were armed with Soviet- and, yes, in the case of Jordan and Egypt, US-made weapons. just imagine the IDF using Fouga Magisters, Mirage III and V fighter aircraft, and Centurion MBTs while fighting the Egyptians, Syrians and the Jordanians. when the French allegedly refused to allow the Israelis access to the Mirage V, the Israelis were forced to "steal" (via the Mossad) plans for the Mirage V and came up with their own copy of the Mirage V, the GE J79-equipped Kfir (which the Israelis tried to offer to us during the Cory Aquino era via a counter-trade deal, with us paying part of the bill with seaweeds; nothing happened with it).

the US only entered the picture recently when the French and the British became so weary of Israeli intentions and backed down from supporting Israel due to Arab pressure. the Israelis needed a new supply source, thus opening the opportunity being offered to them by the Americans.

The Israeli Bayong is solid and watertight, free of holes.

The Philippine Bayong is awfully full of holes. No amount of pouring in good money one after the other, either from the Phil. Govt or Western allies will fix those holes automatically. Those bloody holes need fixing or else just throw the Bayong away and get a brand new one.

Tag: Nagtatapon lang ng pera pag ipagpipilitan lang na magdisburse ng more funds using the very same corrupt bayong or manghiram kung kani-kaninong bansa hangga't di natakpan ang mga butas na yaan. Nag-aaksaya lang ng oras, panahon at pera.

http://www.lifestylesbacolod.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/bayong.jpg

maybe we need a duterte for our erring officials and military. or maybe a civilian assasinators to these crooks. tired already of waiting for these leeches to die.

before the US even became a nation, Israel was already strong. its people became scattered throughout the world but none can ever extinguish the spirit of the Zionist movement. throughout history, many have tried to annihilate it. all have miserably failed.The hardware is hardware but they are only as good as the soldier or pilot using it. ;)

The people of the IDF are proven to be good professionals in their field.

The rich Arabs like the Saudis can also afford to buy the same kind of equipment, like their radar. But still, the Israelies were able to navigate thru Arab territory just to bomb some Saddam facilities in faraway Iraq. Undetected by both Saudi Arabia and Jordan. :lol:

maybe we need a duterte for our erring officials and military. or maybe a civilian assasinators to these crooks. tired already of waiting for these leeches to die.A credible death penalty for the crime of plunder and economic sabotage? Music to my ears. :cheers:

none yes

The hardware is hardware but they are only as good as the soldier or pilot using it. ;)

The people of the IDF are proven to be good professionals in their field.

The rich Arabs like the Saudis can also afford to buy the same kind of equipment, like their radar. But still, the Israelies were able to navigate thru Arab territory just to bomb some Saddam facilities in faraway Iraq. Undetected by both Saudi Arabia and Jordan. :lol:

De Arabs are only good when not facing armies...tiping hit and run. But when facew to face with a real army...??? :lol:

The hardware is hardware but they are only as good as the soldier or pilot using it. ;)

The people of the IDF are proven to be good professionals in their field.

The rich Arabs like the Saudis can also afford to buy the same kind of equipment, like their radar. But still, the Israelies were able to navigate thru Arab territory just to bomb some Saddam facilities in faraway Iraq. Undetected by both Saudi Arabia and Jordan. :lol:

that's Operation Opera (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Osirak.html)! :)

take note that at that time, the Israelis were using "baseline" F-16A/B Block 10s and F-15A/Bs while the Arabs were using "more advanced" Soviet-made weapons. :naughty: ;)

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A credible death penalty for the crime of plunder and economic sabotage? Music to my ears. :cheers:

yes yes, i've been wanting that death penalty to be back especially for that crime of plunder and economic sabotage. :cheers: the problem however with that death penalty we miught have all those priests to rally againts it again. and if we wait for this we would never eradicate these thieves in the gov't and in the military. i hope more people would be using the internet for the advantage of our country. Our leaders are easy reach right now so there's no excuse we cannot bring our message to them. Can we Pinoys initiate a FIRST revolution thru internet???

It looks like Philippines would find a potentially ally in India. Why not? Maybe they can supply us with cheaper military hardware in the future.another side benefit of closer ties with India is its close proximity to the Middle East. If in case our Overseas Middle East embassies are stretched thin with resources or OFWs need safe haven, we can approach and seek assistance or sanctuary in India. Their common tao is just like ours, mahilig sa movies, may corrupt din, kung mabait at marunong kang makisama, game sila. Pero kung arogante ka, hindi rin sila magpapatalo. At this point, lahat ng suspicions at stereotyping nila are vented against the Chinese because their Masa had stereotyped the Chinese as arrogant, I dunno why. There is this sort of rivalry between the 2 sides. :lol:

North Korean Rocket Launch Fails, US Officials Confirm


CNN
4:42 p.m. PDT, April 12, 2012

PYONGYANG, North Korea -- Defying warnings from the international community, North Korea launched a long-range rocket it says is carrying a satellite into orbit, 2 U.S. officials said.

There was a larger than anticipated flare 81 seconds into the launch, officials say, causing a connection loss.

The 90-ton rocket was no longer on several radar screens, including the National Military Command Center tracking system.

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U.S. official say the rocket never left the earth's atmosphere, and likely crashed into the sea.

The rocket was launched from the Sohae Satellite Launching Station in the northern part of the country, near its border with China.

The announcement last month of the planned satellite launch ratcheted up tensions in the region and prompted Washington to suspend a recent deal to supply food aid to the North.

International leaders have urged North Korea to cancel the imminent rocket launch, but Pyongyang has refused to back down, insisting that the operation is for peaceful purposes.

''We would like to call (on North Korea) for restraint until the very end," Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda said outside his office Thursday, according to the news agency Kyodo.

He added, "We are fully prepared to deal with any contingency," the news agency reported.

South Korea has described the move as a "grave provocation" and says it will respond with "appropriate countermeasures."

The Philippines and South Korea have ordered commercial planes and fishermen to stay clear of the rocket's proposed path during the next few days.

"This launch will give credence to the view that North Korean leaders see improved relations with the outside world as a threat to the existence of their system," U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said this week. "And recent history strongly suggests that additional provocations may follow."

A recent report from South Korean intelligence officials claimed that North Korea is planning a new nuclear test in the area where it staged previous atomic blasts.

The South Korean intelligence report noted that the two previous rocket launches that Pyongyang said were intended to put satellites into orbit were followed a few weeks or months later by nuclear tests.

The last time Pyongyang carried out what it described as a satellite launch, in April 2009, the U.N. Security Council condemned the action and demanded that it not be repeated. We would like to call (on North Korea) for restraint until the very end.

Also Wednesday, the North Korean ruling Workers' Party held a special conference that helped firm up the position of the secretive state's new leader.

Korean television showed a somber Kim Jong-Un standing beneath two towering statues of his father, Kim Jong Il, and grandfather, Kim Il Sung, while receiving applause from party functionaries and the military.

The meeting of party delegates and the expected launch come as the nation prepares to mark the 100th anniversary of the birth of Kim Il Sung, the founder of North Korea who ruled the Communist state for more than four decades. His birthday on April 15, known as the "Day of the Sun," is a key public holiday in the North Korean calendar.

At the conference, the late former leader Kim Jong Il was given an everlasting title. He is now eternal general secretary of the Workers' Party of North Korea. Current leader Kim Jong Un was named the first secretary of the Workers' Party of North Korea.

The title appears to be a newly created position that sets the stage for a virtual coronation of Kim Jong Un, says North Korea watcher Jonathan Pollack of the Washington-based Brookings Institution.

"Creating this new position is sort of like retiring a jersey number for a famous baseball player," said Pollack. "It shows a deference to his father and to the old guard, while still cementing his control on power."

North Korea announced several other titles for Kim Jong Un, including making him a member of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee and chairman of the Central Military Commission.

Kim Jong Un was already being described as the supreme leader of the party, state and army. But it is still unclear how directly the young Kim, thought to be in his late 20s, is involved in policy decisions.

The leadership transition bears some similarities to the previous transfer of power from one generation of the Kim family to another.

"Kim Jong Il is now venerated at the same level as his father, buried in the same tomb and they are making statues of them riding together on horseback," said Pollack.

"But Kim Jong Un never got the on-the-job training his father did, so he may have this title to allow some mentoring or sharing power and decisions with his elders."

that's Operation Opera (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Osirak.html)! :)

take note that at that time, the Israelis were using "baseline" F-16A/B Block 10s and F-15A/Bs while the Arabs were using "more advanced" Soviet-made weapons. :naughty: ;)Then it's settled. The Phil. Govt should hire the services of IDF Consultants to upgrade our military. :cheers2:
yes yes, i've been wanting that death penalty to be back especially for that crime of plunder and economic sabotage. :cheers: the problem however with that death penalty we miught have all those priests to rally againts it again. and if we wait for this we would never eradicate these thieves in the gov't and in the military. i hope more people would be using the internet for the advantage of our country. Our leaders are easy reach right now so there's no excuse we cannot bring our message to them. Can we Pinoys initiate a FIRST revolution thru internet???A Philippine spring thru the internet? Parang Arab Spring? Pero ang Arab spring nag-umpisa nga sa Net pero nagPeople Power pa rin sila. I wonder how a Philippine Spring can be achieved without having to waste people's time marching on the streets.

another side benefit of closer ties with India is its close proximity to the Middle East. If in case our Overseas Middle East embassies are stretched thin with resources or OFWs need safe haven, we can approach and seek assistance or sanctuary in India. Their common tao is just like ours, mahilig sa movies, may corrupt din, kung mabait at marunong kang makisama, game sila. Pero kung arogante ka, hindi rin sila magpapatalo. At this point, lahat ng suspicions at stereotyping nila are vented against the Chinese because their Masa had stereotyped the Chinese as arrogant, I dunno why. There is this sort of rivalry between the 2 sides. :lol:

a power struggle of sorts!:lol:

Russel Peters on why the Chinese and Indians
can't do business together.
OO_Fc-OT1Pg

Then it's settled. The Phil. Govt should hire the services of IDF Consultants to upgrade our military. :cheers2:

we should be doing it. it's long overdue. the Israelis can help us in training our people for front-line combat, anti-terrorism and intelligence gathering missions. :)

a power struggle of sorts!:lol:

Russel Peters on why the Chinese and Indians
can't do business together.
OO_Fc-OT1Pg

I love his jokes...

He has a video talking about Pinoys and Indians. I think he has two videos, one of which he was cursing in Tagalog

North Korean Rocket Launch Fails, US Officials Confirm

There was a larger than anticipated flare 81 seconds into the launch, officials say, causing a connection loss.


Ohh god, my sides broke. :lol:

I support AFP modernization and upgrading plans. I support increase in spending. I even wish that we have nuclear arsenal just to prove to the world that PH is a force to reckon with.

However, I want our AFP to crush first our internal problems with NPA and other insurgents. If this is done, then that is the right time that the Philippines can fight the outside forces. The reality is: the NPA, Abu Sayyaf still pose threats. Our AFP is incapable of eliminating them.

How to deal with big brother China? The best thing to do with Chinese is thru diplomatic means (being done), bilateral agreement to jointly develop the Spratly Islands and UN to resolve the border issues.

I support AFP modernization and upgrading plans. I support increase in spending. I even wish that we have nuclear arsenal just to prove to the world that PH is a force to reckon with.

However, I want our AFP to crush first our internal problems with NPA and other insurgents. If this is done, then that is the right time that the Philippines can fight the outside forces. The reality is: the NPA, Abu Sayyaf still pose threats. Our AFP is incapable of eliminating them.

How to deal with big brother China? The best thing to do with Chinese is thru diplomatic means (being done), bilateral agreement to jointly develop the Spratly Islands and UN to resolve the border issues.

No bilateral agreement. It should be multilateral approach and involve as many powers as possible. In that case, China can't corner Philippines when there are powerful observers in place. If they can't agree multilateral approach, then there is simply no agreement on whatsoever - Philippines assert its claims no questions. You have to hand in what they never liked - openness.

^^Is that not unfair to other claimants as well especially to those whose EEZ are overlapping with us?

The Spratly's should be solved MULTILATERALLY, which of course, ONLY China rejects. China is trying to get the longer end of the stick rather than an equal length. I would not want for the Philippines going that way. Let's be fair to our neighbors while pursuing our interest, not like China. If it's bitaleral, baka gogoyohin pa tayo nyan and they will basically have us in our neck if ever there will be disagreements in the future.

we should be doing it. it's long overdue. the Israelis can help us in training our people for front-line combat, anti-terrorism and intelligence gathering missions. :) mitzouyan :yes: ... Shalom!

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While there was a stand off, 20 Vietnamese poachers were arrested. If we have more people guarding the Western area, these "poachers" (they could be government spies disguising as poachers) will likely think twice before coming near our shore.

That's why the Coast Guard is helping the Navy because not all of the AFP resources can be poured on to one area for defense.

It looks like Philippines would find a potentially ally in India. Why not? Maybe they can supply us with cheaper military hardware in the future.

Most Indian military equipment are expensive like their own locally, licensed built Su-30 MKI fighter jet cost rose from $30 million to as more than double this initial cost. This fighter jet was supposed to be a contender in the PAF modernization until its cost soared rapidly.

I support AFP modernization and upgrading plans. I support increase in spending. I even wish that we have nuclear arsenal just to prove to the world that PH is a force to reckon with.

However, I want our AFP to crush first our internal problems with NPA and other insurgents. If this is done, then that is the right time that the Philippines can fight the outside forces. The reality is: the NPA, Abu Sayyaf still pose threats. Our AFP is incapable of eliminating them.

How to deal with big brother China? The best thing to do with Chinese is thru diplomatic means (being done), bilateral agreement to jointly develop the Spratly Islands and UN to resolve the border issues.

We have a constitutional ban on nuclear weapons.

Point to Ponder: How can we defeat external threats if we cannot even defeat our decades-old internal (insurgency) problems?

No bilateral agreement. It should be multilateral approach and involve as many powers as possible. In that case, China can't corner Philippines when there are powerful observers in place. If they can't agree multilateral approach, then there is simply no agreement on whatsoever - Philippines assert its claims no questions. You have to hand in what they never liked - openness.

^^Is that not unfair to other claimants as well especially to those whose EEZ are overlapping with us?

The Spratly's should be solved MULTILATERALLY, which of course, ONLY China rejects. China is trying to get the longer end of the stick rather than an equal length. I would not want for the Philippines going that way. Let's be fair to our neighbors while pursuing our interest, not like China. If it's bitaleral, baka gogoyohin pa tayo nyan and they will basically have us in our neck if ever there will be disagreements in the future.

As long as the US in not involved, the multi-party is acceptable to me. It should be thru UN.

That's why the Coast Guard is helping the Navy because not all of the AFP resources can be poured on to one area for defense.



Most Indian military equipment are expensive like their own locally, licensed built Su-30 MKI fighter jet cost rose from $30 million to as more than double this initial cost. This fighter jet was supposed to be a contender in the PAF modernization until its cost soared rapidly.



We have a constitutional ban on nuclear weapons.

Point to Ponder: How can we defeat external threats if we cannot even defeat our decades-old internal (insurgency) problems?

Yes I know the nuclear weapon ban in the Constitution (that's why it's a wish :)).

We have the same thinking, reposting again your Point to Ponder:


Point to Ponder: How can we defeat external threats if we cannot even defeat our decades-old internal (insurgency) problems?

As long the US in not involved, the multi-party is acceptable to me. It should be thru UN.

US is also a party of interest, the more merrier. Might as well involve them because they also have concerns what China is trying to attain - control the trade routes running through West Philippine Sea.

As long the US in not involved, the multi-party is acceptable to me. It should be thru UN.

The problem is not whether the US will involve itself or not. Apparently, the problem is China not wanting a multilateral agreement.... hiding something, scared of something? Maybe their "maps" are japeyks :lol:

By the way, China is part of the permanent 5 security council. Non-Chinese claimants need to play their cards well

^^Is that not unfair to other claimants as well especially to those whose EEZ are overlapping with us?

The Spratly's should be solved MULTILATERALLY, which of course, ONLY China rejects. China is trying to get the longer end of the stick rather than an equal length. I would not want for the Philippines going that way. Let's be fair to our neighbors while pursuing our interest, not like China. If it's bitaleral, baka gogoyohin pa tayo nyan and they will basically have us in our neck if ever there will be disagreements in the future.

The point exactly. In a bilateral agreement with any of those countries, China would yield enough power to turn one against each other as well as win everything in their favor. It would be far easier for them to execute the divide and conquer approach.

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The point exactly. In a bilateral agreement with any of those countries, China would yield enough power to turn one against each other as well as win everything in their favor. It would be far easier for them to execute the divide and conquer approach.

The fact that at this stage, they'd dont want the FAIRER multi-lateral talks, it is VERY possible that if we enter into bilateral talks with them, they will cheat on e very country which they enter into bilateral talks with. There is NO transparency here between the claimants

This strategy is kinda similar to "the prisoners dilemma" is that when you think rationally what is best for you, you actually end up being the loser. you've been tricked

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma

Is it true that the tsikom is a party/signatory to the UN Convention known as the Law of the Sea and US is not?

If this is true this would be indeed funny as US adheres more to that LOS. :lol::bash:

The UNCLOS could be very hard to enforce without the majority support of the international community. Look what happened to the Falklands which is a British territory only 300 miles off the coast of Argentina (compared to UK which is 10,000 miles away) which ironically, China supported the UNCLOS here that Argentina should have them because of the continental shelf provisions. In the end, Argentina lost the war with Britain in 1982 and up to present, those territories are still under dispute.

As long as the US in not involved, the multi-party is acceptable to me. It should be thru UN.

Ronnie, A nuclear arsenal is not something we can afford financially (not to mention constitutionally) and strategically. We will just trigger an arms race in the region that involves nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are not something to be trifled with. You need a mature and responsible nation for that or at least a nation that understands the concept of mutual destruction.
Besides, having nuclear energy or weapons is not always its cracked up to be. I'm guessing you haven't heard about the dangerous downsides of nukes?

As for the US being involved, I highly doubt it. Contrary to popular belief, US leaders are not that dumb. They know when to get involved and not to. The Philippines territorial/sovereignty disputes are not their problem. It only becomes their problem when things get ugly as they are then bound by the MDT.

In short, unless the Philippines start acting like a panicky crybaby again and finds some way to rope the US into the issue, Papa Sugar won't do anything. Not unless you can truly convince Papa that there is something large at stake for US interests.

I read earlier sa Gizmodo that those patriot missiles are incapable of intercepting the would have been korean rocket while in booster stage, kasi d daw predictable ang course nito, i can't find the link anymore pero its interesting to have read about it. kailangan yung rocket pala nasa "cruising" stage na para ma intercept.

can anybody shed light regarding this?

Nakakapag taka nga na sobrang tahimik ng mga Partylist group ngayon... Bakit kaya?
Etong partylist group na to wala ng ginawa kundi tumutol sa halos lahat ng plano ng gobyerno natin... Sila daw ang partylist ng mga may kaugnayan sa mga mangingisda natin.. Bakit wala silang masabi sa NOKOR rocket launch at yung pagkuha ng mga corals at iba pang lamang dagat ng mga Chinese sa Scarborough shoal. Eto website nila... Mga pilipino ba talaga etong mga to? http://pampil.wordpress.com/commentaries/#comment-11509

i think they are pinoy workingas fronts of the Tsikoms. kaya buti siguro ubusin na rin sila.

as long as the US or Australia or any outside party is involve a multi party talks with the selfish giant china is advantageous to our interest. Remember, aside from Indonesia the other neighboring countries or other claimants are not worthy of trust also.

The problem is not whether the US will involve itself or not. Apparently, the problem is China not wanting a multilateral agreement.... hiding something, scared of something? Maybe their "maps" are japeyks :lol:

By the way, China is part of the permanent 5 security council. Non-Chinese claimants need to play their cards well

in the land of the fakes, can you expect a true map would exist:lol:

Ronnie, A nuclear arsenal is not something we can afford financially (not to mention constitutionally) and strategically. We will just trigger an arms race in the region that involves nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are not something to be trifled with. You need a mature and responsible nation for that or at least a nation that understands the concept of mutual destruction.
Besides, having nuclear energy or weapons is not always its cracked up to be. I'm guessing you haven't heard about the dangerous downsides of nukes?

As for the US being involved, I highly doubt it. Contrary to popular belief, US leaders are not that dumb. They know when to get involved and not to. The Philippines territorial/sovereignty disputes are not their problem. It only becomes their problem when things get ugly as they are then bound by the MDT.

In short, unless the Philippines start acting like a panicky crybaby again and finds some way to rope the US into the issue, Papa Sugar won't do anything. Not unless you can truly convince Papa that there is something large at stake for US interests.

Well, the nuke remains a wish.....

I really want our AFP to be modern, high tech and real achiever in the region.

A clear proof of AFP's victory against NPA and Abu Sayaff should be the topmost priority. How can we fight outside forces if we can't even crush the internal rebels?

Not sure about npa but the islamists surely are funded by foreign terrorists...

RonnieR, what we are into is actual akin to what Colombia is into- a two-front war that involves both external and internal threats.

Colombia primarily has to deal with FARC and other guerrilla forces, and, yes, the drug lords and their hordes of henchmen. this is the main reason why the Colombian military has, among other things, a very capable land force that is backed up with weapons and equipment such as UH-60 Blackhawks, Mi-17 Hips, A-37 Dragonflies, BT-67 Turbo Dakotas and EMB-314 Super Tucanos. we cannot deny that there is American intervention on this one since the US is trying to clamp down on drug dealers but much of the funding for the Colombian military comes from Colombian coffers.

at the same time, Colombia is dealing with the growing threat coming from its next-door neighbor, Hugo Chavez-controlled Venezuela. the Venezuelan military is one of South America's most capable, with it backed up with a mix of Western- and Russian-made weapons, and is contesting Colombia's ownership of several offshore oil and gas fields, and islands. this is the exact reason why the Colombians are keeping the capable fleet of frigates (Almirante Padilla class), submarines (German-made Type 209 subs) and fighter aircraft (Kfirs and Mirages) while also having weapons and equipment that can be used for both internal and external combat.

the Philippines, whether we admit it or not, must deal with BOTH internal threats (Communists and Islamofascists) and external threats (China, Malaysia) at the same time. we cannot deal with one first while the other one waits. we have to take the same approach that the Colombians are taking but our goal is to be as militarily capable as Israel.

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RonnieR, what we are into is actual akin to what Colombia is into- a two-front war that involves both external and internal threats.

Colombia primarily has to deal with FARC and other guerrilla forces, and, yes, the drug lords and their hordes of henchmen. this is the main reason why the Colombian military has, among other things, a very capable land force that is backed up with weapons and equipment such as UH-60 Blackhawks, Mi-17 Hips, A-37 Dragonflies, BT-67 Turbo Dakotas and EMB-314 Super Tucanos. we cannot deny that there is American intervention on this one since the US is trying to clamp down on drug dealers but much of the funding for the Colombian military comes from Colombian coffers.

at the same time, Colombia is dealing with the growing threat coming from its next-door neighbor, Hugo Chavez-controlled Venezuela. the Venezuelan military is one of South America's most capable, with it backed up with a mix of Western- and Russian-made weapons, and is contesting Colombia's ownership of several offshore oil and gas fields, and islands. this is the exact reason why the Colombians are keeping the capable fleet of frigates (Almirante Padilla class), submarines (German-made Type 209 subs) and fighter aircraft (Kfirs and Mirages) while also having weapons and equipment that can be used for both internal and external combat.

the Philippines, whether we admit it or not, must deal with BOTH internal threats (Communists and Islamofascists) and external threats (China, Malaysia) at the same time. we cannot deal with one first while the other one waits. we have to take the same approach that the Colombians are taking but our goal is to be as militarily capable as Israel.

What are the external threats of Colombia? I know that their drug trade is a serious problem and also the rebellion.

For PH, I don't see that the country's direction is for war. That's not the solution. What we should do is to beef up the GDP, aspire to be a High Income nation, bring this country in the league of rich nations.

Consequently, all the aspirations of our AFP with regard to modernization, fully armed with high tech war equipments shall be fulfilled.

Prior to that, we should crush first the NPAs and Abu Sayaff as confidence building measure of AFP. As of today, AFP is yet to show its force over NPA and Abu Sayaff although there are lesser encounters or attacks now compared before.

What are the external threats of Colombia? I know that their drug trade is a serious problem and also the rebellion.

For PH, I don't see that the country's direction is for war. That's not the solution. What we should do is to beef up the GDP, aspire to be a High Income nation, bring this country in the league of rich nations.

Consequently, all the aspirations of our AFP with regard to modernization, fully armed with high tech war equipments shall be fulfilled.

Prior to that, we should crush first the NPAs and Abu Sayaff as confidence building measure of AFP. As of today, AFP is yet to show its force over NPA and Abu Sayaff although there are lesser encounters or attacks now compared before.

Venezuela is Colombia's main external threat. the regime of Hugo Chavez is not only threatening Colombia from the outside but it's also threatening Colombia from within through its support of FARC and other guerrilla forces, and, yes, the drug trade. there was even proof of Venezuela "sheltering" FARC rebels and other guerrillas, and drug cartel members.

again, like what i said earlier, we must deal with both external threats and internal threats at the same time just like what Colombia is doing. we cannot deal with one while the other one is being placed on the back burner. we cannot afford to let the Chinese, who are known to back Communist rebels and their legal fronts in this country, and the Malaysians, who are backing the Islamofascists in Mindanao, to steal portions of our territory and abuse our sovereignty while we are too busy dealing with the internal threats that they are openly supporting.

lastly, there was a saying that if you want to achieve peace, you must prepare for war. peace is something that is only reserved for the idealists. in our case, our goal should be anchored to our experiences, and the teachings of Sun Tzu and Machiavelli: win first before fighting the war.

Chill....

North Korea Blames Philippines For Rocket Failure
Written by Noy Tawa


Friday, 13 April 2012


North Korea has attributed the recent rocket launch failure to the Philippines. According to Pyongyang, the North Korean rocket was subjected to electronic warfare waged by Philippine IT experts hidden in a bunker deep under Malacanang, the presidential palace.

Initial findings suggest the rocket lost navigational control and eventually broke apart. North Korea swore a retaliatory attack is eminent in the next few days.

The Philippines has denied the accusation but has extended its DEFCON 1 alert status in anticipation of Pyongyang's next move.

The Philippine Navy reassured that all possible scenarios have been taken into account. According to the Philippine Navy, about ten thousand Philippine Navy SEALS or commandos are now strategically positioned deep under the sea around North Korea.

These Navy SEALS or commandos crawled on the seabed from the Philippine's northern island of Luzon to North Korean sea. They are there as our occupational force should Pyongyang make a stupid move, says Philippine President Aquino.

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i106041

HAHAHAHA!!!!

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mag gagong bobong communista....pero in a way kung tayo I blame ng North Korea...It could Spur The U.S. and other rallies into more action....South Korea , Japan Australia....and may even deter China....

lol anyway its the spoof.com.. :D

But seriously if this happens US will definitely not just stand there....this can be an opportunity to invade North Korea..If This happens China will have reason to feel threatened and Isolated.

^^ did you actually read the piece??:doh:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/521578_10150781632362744_589272743_11989280_1036176118_n.jpg

i hope the north koreans kept the receipt. may 7 day warranty yan. :lol:

Looks like everyone's ganging up on taming the Chinese Dragon:lol:. The mighty Russian bear, Indian elephant, American bald eagle, at syempre ang pinaka astig.. Philippine eagle in the front line.:lol::banana:

http://cdn2.arkive.org/media/9B/9B80F105-A7F7-4CC9-BCB3-6591B3CD1ADA/Presentation.Large/Philippine-eagle.jpg

siguro ang capability nalang ng Pilipinas pagdating siguro ng digmaan ay i-hack ang mga navigation at control system ng anumang aatake sa bansa hahaha lagyan ng i-love-you virus :lol: mabuhay ang mga IT! :rock:

Chill....

North Korea Blames Philippines For Rocket Failure
Written by Noy Tawa


Friday, 13 April 2012


North Korea has attributed the recent rocket launch failure to the Philippines. According to Pyongyang, the North Korean rocket was subjected to electronic warfare waged by Philippine IT experts hidden in a bunker deep under Malacanang, the presidential palace.

Initial findings suggest the rocket lost navigational control and eventually broke apart. North Korea swore a retaliatory attack is eminent in the next few days.

The Philippines has denied the accusation but has extended its DEFCON 1 alert status in anticipation of Pyongyang's next move.

The Philippine Navy reassured that all possible scenarios have been taken into account. According to the Philippine Navy, about ten thousand Philippine Navy SEALS or commandos are now strategically positioned deep under the sea around North Korea.

These Navy SEALS or commandos crawled on the seabed from the Philippine's northern island of Luzon to North Korean sea. They are there as our occupational force should Pyongyang make a stupid move, says Philippine President Aquino.

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i106041


And now they put the blame to us without any proven basis yet. Napikon sila sa international reaction ng pagkapalpak ng kanilang missile launch :p :p :p a big shame on them F**k them!

^^ Id doubt the story is fictitious. Not sure. hmmm.

ASEAN group is a big joke! :lol:

ASEAN is focused on regional economy, politics and social development, not to addressed a wimpy kid who can't defend herself.

Not sure about npa but the islamists surely are funded by foreign terrorists...

The CPP-NPA used to get support from China which is evident in some rifles that they use are not found in the AFP arsenal but are made in China. Read the full story (http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=2710.0).

Chill....

North Korea Blames Philippines For Rocket Failure
Written by Noy Tawa


Friday, 13 April 2012


North Korea has attributed the recent rocket launch failure to the Philippines. According to Pyongyang, the North Korean rocket was subjected to electronic warfare waged by Philippine IT experts hidden in a bunker deep under Malacanang, the presidential palace.

Initial findings suggest the rocket lost navigational control and eventually broke apart. North Korea swore a retaliatory attack is eminent in the next few days.

The Philippines has denied the accusation but has extended its DEFCON 1 alert status in anticipation of Pyongyang's next move.

The Philippine Navy reassured that all possible scenarios have been taken into account. According to the Philippine Navy, about ten thousand Philippine Navy SEALS or commandos are now strategically positioned deep under the sea around North Korea.

These Navy SEALS or commandos crawled on the seabed from the Philippine's northern island of Luzon to North Korean sea. They are there as our occupational force should Pyongyang make a stupid move, says Philippine President Aquino.

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i106041


that's why the website is named "thespoof", i can't believe people would actually believe this.

that's why the website is named "thespoof", i can't believe people would actually believe this.

might be partially true, i sent some ussd code thru my imitation chinese iphone on a number of one their rocket scientist...damn...it worked!!!!:lol::D:nuts:









pag may maniwala sa'kin nito...ewan ko nalang...

And now they put the blame to us without any proven basis yet. Napikon sila sa international reaction ng pagkapalpak ng kanilang missile launch :p :p :p a big shame on them F**k them!

it's a spoof....as I said, chill bro. :cheers:

sumugod na naman ang mga rallyista sa US EMBASSY dahil palapit na ang bagong Balikatan nagsunog naman ng bandila ng america! PERO nung nagkaroon ng tensyon sa SCARBOROUGH tahimik lng sila! kung ang GOBYERNO tinatawag nila na tuta ng AMERIKA eh sila naman walang pinagkaiba. TUTA din sila ng CHINA! :lol: :lol: :lol:

^^ did you actually read the piece??:doh:

:doh: duh thats why I said its from spoof.com meaning i get it ...its a gag...lol read my final paragraph stating

"But seriously if this happens US will definitely not just stand there....this can be an opportunity to invade North Korea..If This happens China will have reason to feel threatened and Isolated. " lol:ohno:

lol did you even read my whole post.

:doh: duh thats why I said its from spoof.com meaning i get it ...its a gag...lol read my final paragraph stating

"But seriously if this happens US will definitely not just stand there....this can be an opportunity to invade North Korea..If This happens China will have reason to feel threatened and Isolated. " lol:ohno:

lol did you even read my whole post.

You edited your post though...http://vz.iminent.com/vz/98bf00bc-55ed-42bd-98ad-773e5cd64975/2/troll-face-u-mad-.gif

i feel disappointed. akala ko magrarally ang mga bayad muna, beijing muna, anak maoist at iba pa to defend our sovereignty.

tuta na hypokrito ang mga anak ng teteng na to. if by the remote possibility that war indeed happens in our lifetime, I will make it my mission in life to hunt down all these modern day makapili.

an epic fail! ... US na naman!... are these people insane?! ... how desperate nanaman... :ohno:

i wonder if these people has relatives in US...

kaya naman pala bumagsak yung rocket, KARGADO pala ito,..ng mga pyesang bili sa cdr-king,..or made in china, "Once Purchase, Considered Broken!!!"

i feel disappointed. akala ko magrarally ang mga bayad muna, beijing muna, anak maoist at iba pa to defend our sovereignty.

tuta na hypokrito ang mga anak ng teteng na to. if by the remote possibility that war indeed happens in our lifetime, I will make it my mission in life to hunt down all these modern day makapili.

kelan kaya natin makikita sila na magsusunog ng BANDILA ng CHINA? :colgate:

an epic fail! ... US na naman!... are these people insane?! ... how desperate nanaman... :ohno:

i wonder if these people has relatives in US...

May magkuwento sa akin si satur daw nagapply sa us embassy ng visa. Denied sya kasi anti us. :lol:

You edited your post though...http://vz.iminent.com/vz/98bf00bc-55ed-42bd-98ad-773e5cd64975/2/troll-face-u-mad-.gif

duh just a spelling edit:ohno:

May magkuwento sa akin si satur daw nagapply sa us embassy ng visa. Denied sya kasi anti us. :lol:

hipokrito kasi mga yan! :nuts: ang kapal nga mag apply pa ng visa eh

BRP GDP PF-15 refueling at Poro Point Zambales after returning from a tense standoff at Scarborough Shoal yesterday ...


http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m335/filipinas40/PoroPoint.jpg

(Photo:RaffyTima@Twitter)

Philippine communists praise N. Korea’s rocket launch (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/176213/philippine-communists-praise-n-koreas-rocket-launch)

kelangan gawin kasi baka mawalan ng suporta galing sa taas! :colgate:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/AFP_3D.png

For flag and country!

http://lifesquiettimes.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/philippine-flag2.jpg

US, Philippines hold war games amid China tensions
http://zeenews.india.com (http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/us-philippines-hold-war-games-amid-china-tensions_769949.html)
Saturday, April 14, 2012, 12:14

Manila: Thousands of US soldiers will begin nearly two weeks of war games in the Philippines on Monday as the two nations look to strengthen their military alliance amid concerns over China's rising power.

The Balikatan (Shoulder-to-shoulder) exercises are an annual event but this year are expected to attract a greater focus with some of the drills set to be held close to sensitive South China Sea waters claimed by the Chinese.

The Philippines insists the exercises, involving 4,500 US personnel and 2,300 Filipino troops, should not be seen by China as a provocation.

"Our aim is not against any country, our aim is to protect maritime security and to protect the interests of our country," Major Emmanuel Garcia, Philippine military spokesman for Balikatan, said.

Nevertheless, Garcia confirmed US and Philippine ships will stage drills in waters facing the South China Sea, while Filipino leaders have repeatedly said that China is one of the country's main "maritime security" concerns.

China claims all of the South China Sea as a historic right, even waters close to the coasts of the Philippines and other Southeast Asian countries.

The competing claims to the strategically vital waters have long made the area one of Asia's potential flashpoints for military conflict...
more (http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/us-philippines-hold-war-games-amid-china-tensions_769949.html)

China's claim, by virtue of historic right, is weak, IMO. As if the Philippines also doesn't have historic rights to the seas near its coastline.

If you are greedy, UNCLOS won't matter to you.

^^for flag and country!:cheers:

China's claim, by virtue of historic right, is weak, IMO. As if the Philippines also doesn't have historic rights to the seas near its coastline.

that claim became so benign for more than a thousand years as to become invalid especially in these times when the world is becoming a single village. everybody has to respect the borders of its neighbors. china, apparently, is not willing to do that.

Kakapasok Lang na balita, may hinarass daw na research vessel ang mga tsikwa sa Panatag shoal :ohno:

^^^^Feeling ko napahiya ang China sa ginawa sa Panatag Island kasi maraming nagalit sa motibo at actuations niya.

Pero dahil mas mananaig ang kasakiman ng China, di na baleng lumabas na kontrabida basta malagyan ng pagkain ang miyon pang Chinese na hindi nakikinabang sa tinatawag nilang "glorious economic miracle" courtesy of the glorious communist party. pwet!!toinks!:lol::cheers:

Thanks for reopening the thread. I hope no more trolling in this thread.

^^^^Feeling ko napahiya ang China sa ginawa sa Panatag Island kasi maraming nagalit sa motibo at actuations niya.

Pero dahil mas mananaig ang kasakiman ng China, di na baleng lumabas na kontrabida basta malagyan ng pagkain ang miyon pang Chinese na hindi nakikinabang sa tinatawag nilang "glorious economic miracle" courtesy of the glorious communist party. pwet!!toinks!:lol::cheers:

Since when "Glorious" China became glorious? :lol:

Guys if that Oliver (or any Chicom bot) ever comes back here or another thread, just report him instead. Eventually, many "traffic tickets" will deny a person's privileges.

Anyway,


http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/03/alliance-at-work-philippine-military-kills-southeast-asia-terrorist-leader/

According to Associated Press reports today, the Philippine military has killed Southeast Asia’s most-wanted terrorist on Thursday. With U.S. support, two OV-10 aircraft bombed a terrorist stronghold, comprising militants from the al-Qaeda-affiliated groups Abu Sayyaf and Jemaah Islamiyah (JI). When the dust settled, Malaysian terrorist Zulkifli bin Hir, known by his nom-de-guerre “Marwan,” was among the rubble, along with two senior leaders of Abu Sayyaf and JI....

Here we go again. Foreign backers and trainers. Isn't it any wonder why they're still around?:wallbash:

Since when "Glorious" China became glorious? :lol:

When Gloria was our President. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Guys if that Oliver (or any Chicom bot) ever comes back here or another thread, just report him instead. Eventually, many "traffic tickets" will deny a person's privileges.

Anyway,


Here we go again. Foreign backers and trainers. Isn't it any wonder why they're still around?:wallbash:

^^Oh my! there's a Malaysian terrorist. Bakit sa Mindanao sila nakikigulo..dapat dun sa Sabbah sila makigulo.:bash:

^^^^Feeling ko napahiya ang China sa ginawa sa Panatag Island kasi maraming nagalit sa motibo at actuations niya.


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You think China cares what people think? Then you are Naive.

Watch them massacre 64 Vietnamese trying to defend Spratly islands with 37mm navy guns.

Then imagine what they will do to the poorly armed Pinoys when things get bad.

Only a US Carrier fleet will deter them now.

There is some report that Italy is selling their missile corvettes to the philippines. Just check it from PDFF site or google it.

Uy2ZrFphSmc

You think China cares what people think? Then you are Naive.

Watch them massacre 64 Vietnamese trying to defend Spratly islands with 20mm navy guns.

Then imagine what they will do to the poorly armed Pinoys when things get bad.

Only a US Carrier fleet will deter them now.

That's true. They don't really care.

At that time, news does not spread as quickly as at present and Vietnam - US relations was non - existent.

In our situation, China is fully aware of the US naval presence, Philippines is considered a Western ally, and the news spread like wildfire over the internet. Any wrong move by China at any moment will be recorded that could prompt international attention immediately.

Since this issue could be elevated to UN that China does not like, any confrontation on West Philippine Sea could trigger another conflict similar to Korean War.

All we need is their first shot. ;)

My, my, state sanctioned massacre. China is indeed heading toward imperial Japan's footstep

^^Oh my! there's a Malaysian terrorist. Bakit sa Mindanao sila nakikigulo..dapat dun sa Sabbah sila makigulo.:bash:

I wonder is the malayaian government doing to prevent their citizens wreaking havoc in other countries...

Uy2ZrFphSmc

You think China cares what people think? Then you are Naive.

Watch them massacre 64 Vietnamese trying to defend Spratly islands with 37mm navy guns.

Then imagine what they will do to the poorly armed Pinoys when things get bad.

Only a US Carrier fleet will deter them now.

Feeling ka na naman. Hindi mo kasi naintindihan ang post ko. Never said China will care about killing people. All I said is, with the international media and netizens ganging up on China, she thought of saving her "international image as a benevolent emerging superpower" by withdrawing.

You're the naive guy here. Feeling smart.

Since when "Glorious" China became glorious? :lol:

As I said, "glorious" with quotation marks.

I think there is a possibility that they will not care what people think esp that they hold the debt of many Western nations

That is why, at this early stages of bullying, countries with common problem with China should start forming blocs or alliances.

To hell whatever the world's leftists think.

I think there is a possibility that they will not care what people think esp that they hold the debt of many Western nations

That is why, at this early stages of bullying, countries with common problem with China should start forming blocs or alliances.

To hell whatever the world's leftists think.

Siguro naman the Chinese are not too dumb not to think that they have an "international image" to protect. Internally,walang paki China kung tirahin ng international media pag inuubos nila ang kanilang nasasakupan sa Tibet, Uighur at sa Chinese gulags.

Kailangan benevolent image nila para makakuha ng maraming contracts abroad lalo na sa Africa ngayon.

China largely depends on their exports and importation of minerals (that drives their domestic economy), baka magkaroon ng backlash e maapektuhan ang ekonomiya nila.


Yan ang kaibahan ng original na superpower ang US.

The US consume more of what it can produce. China produce more of what it can consume.

^^ With their increasing obvious bullying, they're already testing waters on how the international community would react if they do such things...

They're doing little by little. I think by starting little, they are trying to "desensitize" the international community. That is why at this early stage, we need to properly and carefully sort out our alliances.

Also, we should also not assume that they will care too much about their image. Assuming that will lead to lax policies on dealing with China

Edit:

With the recent stand off, I'm pretty disappointed that international reaction was barely there. I think the world is desensitized..even our own militants against "imperialism" are...oh wait, they are Beijing prostitutes so no strong reaction from them :lol:

^^

Wala pa kasing nangyayari eh. Inaantay natin na sila ang umatake, for sure magiging headline yan in minutes. :lol:

I think there is a possibility that they will not care what people think esp that they hold the debt of many Western nations

That is why, at this early stages of bullying, countries with common problem with China should start forming blocs or alliances.

To hell whatever the world's leftists think.

There is a reason why they are increasingly spying them and pirate their own products dahil kahit sobrang yaman nila, hindi pa rin nila kayang bilhin ang innovation ng mga talagang malalakas na bansa. Doon sila nagkakamali. :lol:

Anyway, pirated din naman yan - imitation lang. :lol:

^^ With their increasing obvious bullying, they're already testing waters on how the international community would react if they do such things...

They're doing little by little. I think by starting little, they are trying to "desensitize" the international community. That is why at this early stage, we need to properly and carefully sort out our alliances.

Also, we should also not assume that they will care too much about their image. Assuming that will lead to lax policies on dealing with China

You have a point.

Pero, again, they have withdrawn. Kung talagang walang pinoprotektahang image yan, nagpadala na ng naval boat yan at tinira na ang Pinas tulad ng pinost nung feeling smart about yung massacre sa Spratly's.

Langaw Philippines vs. Dragon China obvious naman kung sino panalo. pero nag-withdraw China. Ibig sabihin hindi pa rin mindless dragon at naive ang China hitting a weak, peace loving democracy like ours.

Vietnam siguro kay tinira nila kumasa at during that time e masama din image sa international community kasi fellow tyrannical communist country din.

MANILA -- The United States seeks to have more joint military exercises with the Philippines and other Asian countries as a means to counter the growing influence of China in the Asia-Pacific region, and as a response to the conflict in the West Philippine Sea.

This was the message of Senators John McCain (Arizona), Joseph Lieberman (Connecticut), Sheldon Whitehouse (Rhode Island), and Kelly Ayotte (New Hampshire), who are in the country to meet with President Benigno Aquino III, Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario, and Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin.

Taking off from US President Barack Obama’s policy pronouncement that US defense budget will shift its focus from the Middle East to the Asia-Pacific region, McCain said the Philippines would be a key player in this change as the US considers it “important” and a “leader” in the region, noting the 60th anniversary of the US-Philippines Mutual Defense Treaty this year.

“China was a subject of the discussion…While we see no confrontation with China, we emphasize that we will do what we need to do to protect freedom of navigation in the region…We will work with the ASEAN nations to maintain peace and stability here,” McCain said in a press conference at the US embassy after his meeting with the Philippine foreign secretary.

The US and the world are putting their focus back on Asia-Pacific as the world economy shifts to the region, McCain and Lieberman said. And for them, securing the region meant building up militarily.

McCain said a “strong military presence” of allied nations in the region will make China “achieve its goals peacefully.”

There must be a “strong alliance” of ASEAN nations as a foil to China’s growing military might, McCain said.

“We will not let the South China Sea dispute be settled by force or bullying, but by the ability to negotiate multilaterally and following the international rule of law,” Lieberman said.

“The best way to secure peace is to prepare for war,” Lieberman said, quoting a familiar saying.

No more US bases

However, the US senators discounted the re-installation of US military bases in the Philippines.

While saying he has fond memories of the times he spent in Subic, McCain, a former US navy officer and a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War, said joint military operations are more likely than the re-installation of the bases.

The other options to US bases, Lieberman said, are the build-up of the military assets of US allies in the region, as well as joint military exercises, and a sharing of assets and equipment to ensure maritime security.

The Philippines’ plan to upgrade its air assets “makes sense” following the purchase of Coast Guard cutters, Lieberman said.

But while the Philippines has expressed its intent to buy a squadron of F-16s, this has not been fully discussed and decided upon, he said.

“The international waters are critically important to the economies here and to the economies of the world. China cannot exercise a disproportionate control of the South China Sea,” Lieberman said.

DFA officials said this might take a while because the agreement for this has not even been drafted.

US Ambassador Harry Thomas Jr. accompanied this delegation, as he did a delegation from the US House of Representatives over the weekend. The delegation was led by US House Committee on Appropriations chairman Representative Harold Rogers, together with Representatives Norman D. Dicks, Ander Crenshaw, Rodney Alexander, Steven C. LaTourette, Tom Cole, and Michael K. Simpson.

DFA and US embassy officials said the two consecutive visits from US legislators over the past few days do not have any significance aside from the fact that US Congress is in session, allowing its members to schedule their travels during this period.

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/22143/us-senators-want-more-joint-us-ph-military-exercises-to-counter-growing-china-influence

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MANILA, Philippines -- The Philippines alleged Saturday that China had again increased its presence around a disputed shoal and had harassed a Filipino civilian vessel, after the week-old standoff appeared to have eased.

Hours after reporting that all but one Chinese vessel had left the waters off Scarborough Shoal in the South China Sea by Friday, Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario said one of the larger vessels later returned.

This boosted the Chinese presence to two vessels, while a Chinese aircraft also arrived and made fly-bys above a Philippine coast guard vessel stationed in the area, he said.

A Chinese ship also harassed a Philippine-registered vessel conducting a scientific survey, del Rosario said without elaborating.

"It appears that there is an element that is lacking in our negotiations," he said in a written statement to reporters after receiving an updated report from the coast guard.

The crisis started Sunday when the Philippines found eight Chinese fishing boats in the area, which the Philippines claims as its territory.

A Philippine navy warship was preparing to arrest the Chinese fishermen for poaching but China dispatched three civilian vessels to take turns blocking the Philippine ship.

Talks between del Rosario and the Chinese ambassador to Manila, Ma Keqing, to resolve the dispute went nowhere according to the Philippine side.

However, earlier Saturday del Rosario said all eight fishing vessels as well as two of the three larger Chinese vessels blockading the Philippine forces had fled the area, leaving one vessel left for each of the two claimants.

The Filipino official did not specify whether the alleged fresh Chinese reinforcements had arrived Friday or Saturday.

Del Rosario said the civilian Filipino vessel that was harassed was conducting an "archaeological survey" and that the people on board included nine French citizens.

However he did not specify where the alleged harassment occurred.

Foreign department spokesman Raul Hernandez did not immediately answer queries sent by AFP regarding the Filipino civilian vessel.

The military has said a Philippine coast guard vessel remains near the shoal, about 230 kilometers (140 miles) west of the country's main island of Luzon, monitoring the Chinese activity.

The head of Philippine military forces in the area, Lieutenant General Anthony Alcantara said tension in the area had been "defused" by the departure of most of the Chinese boats.

However del Rosario also said it was "regrettable" the fishing boats were allowed to leave without the Philippines confiscating their catch of endangered species like giant clams, corals and live sharks.

The Philippines says the shoal is in its territory, well within the country's 200-nautical-mile exclusive economic zone, as recognized by international law.

However China has insisted the shoal is Chinese territory as part of its claim to all of the South China Sea, even waters up to the coasts of other countries.

Aside from the Philippines and China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei also claim all or parts of the waters as their own.

The Philippines and Vietnam complained last year of increasingly aggressive acts by China in staking its claim to the South China Sea.

However this week's standoff is the highest-profile in recent years.

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/29429/just-as-tensions-appeared-to-ease-ph-says-china-boosts-presence-at-scarborough-shoal-again

You have a point.

Pero, again, they have withdrawn. Kung talagang walang pinoprotektahang image yan, nagpadala na ng naval boat yan at tinira na ang Pinas tulad ng pinost nung feeling smart about yung massacre sa Spratly's.

Langaw Philippines vs. Dragon China obvious naman kung sino panalo. pero nag-withdraw China. Ibig sabihin hindi pa rin mindless dragon at naive ang China hitting a weak, peace loving democracy like ours.

Vietnam siguro kay tinira nila kumasa at during that time e masama din image sa international community kasi fellow tyrannical communist country din.

I think you are taking this too emotionally. Given the recent events, esp the stand off at Scarborough which had some commenters against China, you think they will care?

You see, they are taking it little by little and testing how the world will react. How did the world react? As if it didn't happen, at least in the political level in the international community.

I reiterate this one. It will be dangerous for us to assume they care so much about their image. There are so many pirated good from China which many nations, Western ones in particular, but the government is tougher on pro-democracy people than their image as a "piracy capital".

Have you not notice they always warn nations not to "interfere" with their politics?

They may not take something stupid right away, but they will sure, by testing waters, desensitize the world

It will be dangerous for us to assume that China cares so much about its image. That will make us lax and complacent on our alliances and external defense. We should always, at least, assume the worst case scenario. Learn from WW2 where our country and people assumed that Japan will never attack the Philippines or the war will be short. We were caught with our pants down.

By the way, China did NOT withdraw. They're "fishing vessels" have gone but they still have their "surveillance" ships and they seem to have boosted their presence. That doesn't sound withdrawing to me...

Read: http://www.interaksyon.com/article/29429/just-as-tensions-appeared-to-ease-ph-says-china-boosts-presence-at-scarborough-shoal-again

^^ Okay lang basta sila una tira. Stand off pa rin naman. Tingnan natin kung sino ang unang kumurap. Nakastandby ang buong mundo 24/7. :lol:

^^ To be honest, I am disappointed with the international community. So far, most internet comments are with us...but then there aren't any political condemnation, not from our neighbors, not from the international community, not even from our own politicians with exception of the president and Lacson and Honasan.

(where is Miriam na gustong iabolish ang VFA? :lol:)

What China did is not just a blatant violation of our EEZ but also blatant destruction of maritime resources. Filipinos are not allowed in that area because it is protected, kakapal ng mukha ng mga instik na yan to instill damages


That being said, where are the environmentalists?

Delicate balance shifts at Panatag Shoal with return of Chinese ship

The People’s Republic of China has deployed back to Panatag Shoal (Scarborough) “one of its white ships, bringing back the number of Chinese ships in the area back to two,” Department of Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario said Saturday.

"A white Chinese aircraft with blue stripe was also sighted conducting flybys near the Philippine Coast Guard ship," Del Rosario also said, citing reports from the PCG.

The country’s top diplomat said these developments deviate from the position the Chinese ambassador, Ma Keqing, expressed on Friday.
Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario and Chinese Ambassador are still working out a diplomatic solution to the stalemate at Panatag Shoal. DFA/Earl Rosero

The talks between del Rosario and Chinese Ambassador Ma Keqing on resolving the tense standoff in Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal ended in a stalemate Friday night after neither side agreed to withdraw first.

“Amb. Ma had asked if we could commit to no surprises until we meet again, to which I agreed,” the DFA chief said on Saturday.

“It appears that there is an element that is lacking in our negotiations. I seek a deeper element of trust from our Chinese friends,” Del Rosario lamented.

A Chinese foreign ministry statement on Friday acknowledged that the Chinese ships sent to Panatag Shoal were “law enforcement ships.” Media reports had previously identified them simply as "surveillance ships."

The other Chinese ships, including five fishing boats, had left the shoal by Friday night.



The BRP Pampanga, a Coast Guard vessel, is considered a non-military ship, replaced the BRP Gregorio del Pilar, the nation's largest warship, which returned to Luzon to replenish its supplies.



As this developed, the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) is poised to launch on Monday its joint military exercises with the United States.

The AFP claims the focus of the war games is humanitarian assistance and disaster preparedness as the front end of it involves the construction of classrooms and the conduct of multiple medical, dental, veterinary civic action missions.

But there will be cross-training and field training exercises—meant to “improve the interoperability of the Philippine and US military” and some will be done in Palawan—just south of Panatag Shoal.

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/254963/news/nation/delicate-balance-shifts-at-panatag-shoal-with-return-of-chinese-ship

^^ They will only pay attention if something happens. It's boring to watch a plain staring contest. Actually its also a good thing that the media's attention is diverted to something else right now. Once the moment arrives, BBC, CNN, Fox, NHK and others would be abuzz with it. :lol:

^^ Buti pa yung No Kor na laging palpak pinagpiyestahan.....

I hope our PCG will not fire the first shot, and I think we should send more PCG too...we need a subtle way to trigger China's temper. Yknow, they are not really the patient ones :lol:

^^ Buti pa yung No Kor na laging palpak pinagpiyestahan.....

I hope our PCG will not fire the first shot, and I think we should send more PCG too...we need a subtle way to trigger China's temper. Yknow, they are not really the patient ones :lol:

I know, we should agitate them ahead of the naval exercises. :lol:

^^ Yknow what, this sounded staged to me. I think what China is trying to do it intimidate us and make yabang that the US is coming and for us to fire the first shot. Unfortunately for them, we know better :lol:

A week of this is just too timely for Balikatan. We've been arresting Chinese poachers for decades and it is only now that there is a blockade by the Chinese

I think the PCG should have at least tried to arrest Chinese fishing boats...that would probably agitate the Chinese which might cause them to fire a shot??

I think you are taking this too emotionally. Given the recent events, esp the stand off at Scarborough which had some commenters against China, you think they will care?

You see, they are taking it little by little and testing how the world will react. How did the world react? As if it didn't happen, at least in the political level in the international community.

I reiterate this one. It will be dangerous for us to assume they care so much about their image. There are so many pirated good from China which many nations, Western ones in particular, but the government is tougher on pro-democracy people than their image as a "piracy capital".

Have you not notice they always warn nations not to "interfere" with their politics?

They may not take something stupid right away, but they will sure, by testing waters, desensitize the world

It will be dangerous for us to assume that China cares so much about its image. That will make us lax and complacent on our alliances and external defense. We should always, at least, assume the worst case scenario. Learn from WW2 where our country and people assumed that Japan will never attack the Philippines or the war will be short. We were caught with our pants down.

By the way, China did NOT withdraw. They're "fishing vessels" have gone but they still have their "surveillance" ships and they seem to have boosted their presence. That doesn't sound withdrawing to me...

Read: http://www.interaksyon.com/article/29429/just-as-tensions-appeared-to-ease-ph-says-china-boosts-presence-at-scarborough-shoal-again

I beg to disagree. No emotions here.. Its about real politik.

Obviously, tension was eased somehow. But of course, I agree, they will still test the waters. The bully will not just withdraw without a fight.

Never did I say that we would be lax. In fact, Im already open to the idea of the Philippines luring the US of putting a base here or expanding the VFA.

^^ Not really.The latest from Philippine News, they sent another "surveillance" ship, strengthening their presence in Panatag/Scarborough. (It seems to be that they are trying to create a scene or trying to let us fire a shot by intimidating us) Yung mga umalis lang is yung "fishermen" boats. It's kinda like CG vs CG

^^ Buti pa yung No Kor na laging palpak pinagpiyestahan.....

I hope our PCG will not fire the first shot, and I think we should send more PCG too...we need a subtle way to trigger China's temper. Yknow, they are not really the patient ones :lol:

Sorry sir pero baka naman ikaw ang emotional nito. Paano nga kung nagkaputukan , what will be next?

^^ Looks like you forgot the laughing smiley at the end??

^^ Not really.The latest from Philippine News, they sent another "surveillance" ship, strengthening their presence in Panatag/Scarborough. (It seems to be that they are trying to create a scene or trying to let us fire a shot by intimidating us) Yung mga umalis lang is yung "fishermen" boats. It's kinda like CG vs CG

Kaya nga real politik tayo. What if we fired the first shots? O kaya sila? What will be next? We declare war against China?

Take note civilian research boats not naval ships against our coast guards. Pang asar lang na tama ka naman iinisin ang Pinas na magpadala na ng military ship to assert our sovereignty over the island.


At least ang lalabas sa news ay " the Philippines attacked the Chinese civilian ships in their historically claimed island and retaliated to protect and defend hapless Chinese civilian research workers and protect their territory. E di China ang bida sa international news. Tayo ang bully di sila.

^^ Looks like you forgot the laughing smiley at the end??

OO nga..rto na sir.:lol::lol::cheers::cheers:

OO nga..rto na sir.:lol::lol::cheers::cheers:

I was actually referring to the smiley at the end of my post, when you quoted me and said that I must be the one who is emotional.

The post you quoted was an exchange of half jokes with Askal

Kaya nga real politik tayo. What if we fired the first shots? O kaya sila? What will be next? We declare war against China?

Take note civilian research boats not naval ships against our coast guards. Pang asar lang na tama ka naman iinisin ang Pinas na magpadala na ng military ship to assert our sovereignty over the island.


At least ang lalabas sa news ay " the Philippines attacked the Chinese civilian ships in their historically claimed island and retaliated to protect and defend hapless Chinese civilian research workers and protect their territory. E di China ang bida sa international news. Tayo ang bully di sila.


They are "maritime surveillance" which is kind of working like CG. China is good with words. I'm sure you have heard their "indisputable sovereignty" in the 90% of the WPS. Whatever the Chinese use of show must not be taken in face value.

If you have read my posts, I have said that we should never fire the first shot. That is what the Chinese want. But then, maybe, we could irritate them a bit by sending most CG and they might do something stupid that will be against them. They're not actually that patient with "weaker" nations.

Just a question that popped up in my mind. (To Pinoy forumers)

Say that things comes to worse and we do not have the sufficient fund to cover to purchase or manufacture military equipment, are you willing to pay more taxes granting that additional taxes will go to military equipment?

Just a question that popped up in my mind. (To Pinoy forumers)

Say that things comes to worse and we do not have the sufficient fund to cover to purchase or manufacture military equipment, are you willing to pay more taxes granting that additional taxes will go to military equipment?

I prefer bonds..war bonds. :)

^^ but isn't war bonds more of like "optional", where the government has to encourage citizens to purchase war bonds? With taxes, everyone pays. In addition to that, the government can tap more funds by letting the 10 million OFWs and dual citizens pay income tax

Just a question that popped up in my mind. (To Pinoy forumers)

Say that things comes to worse and we do not have the sufficient fund to cover to purchase or manufacture military equipment, are you willing to pay more taxes granting that additional taxes will go to military equipment?

I would but I need accountability where my money really goes to and make sure it went to our defense. :lol:

I think it would galvanized the nation as a whole and maybe we would pull a South Korea.

I prefer bonds..war bonds. :)

^^ but isn't war bonds more of like "optional", where the government has to encourage citizens to purchase war bonds? With taxes, everyone pays. In addition to that, the government can tap more funds by letting the 10 million OFWs and dual citizens pay income tax

War bonds were used before to effectively and quickly raise the capital to manufacture military goods. I think it could be done as well even in our time.

I would but I need accountability where my money really goes to and make sure it went to our defense. :lol:

I think it would galvanized the nation as a whole and maybe we would pull a South Korea.

I think if ever taxes for military support would be implemented, I think we will have more problem with accountability than people not wanting to pay taxes :lol::lol::lol::lol:

I would too, in case. Maybe higher taxes + war bonds would help.

It's sooo eaaaaaaaasy piecey. Subic Naval Base is still relatively intact. Hand it back to the US Navy. Ahora mismo.

With a US Naval presence at Subic, the entire WPS and Spratlys are within striking range and Uncle Hu would be tiptoeing instead of swaggering.

I was a bit surprised that the usual warring factions and bashing-each-other Filos were galvanised into a united front against the wandering foreigner.

Hmmmm, I hope we could also be galvanised against corruption within (that is gonna be our silent killer - our social cancer) and a total overhaul of how things are done.

^^ Maybe we should "pay" Uncle Sam to patrol our shores. :lol:

lol. may umepal lang na isang chino bumulusok na ang mga posts dito sa thread....guys chill lang kayo.

^^ Maybe we should "pay" Uncle Sam to patrol our shores. :lol:Do you remember back then? Tayo pa nga ang binabayaran ni Uncle Sam, a. Those massive US aid and rentals for both Clark and Subic. Back then, whenever Chinese fishing boats approached Scarborough or nearby islets, all Clark had to do was dispatch fighter jets and buzz their boats and the Chinese will flee bahag buntot. Mucho, mucho dinero were pumped into the vibrant local economies as well for both Olongapo and Angeles.

Those estupido senadores.

Curiously, some kanos think they decided to pull our rather than them being kicked out which is laughable, at best. They, at least, wanted to keep Subic when Clark was devastated.

Those estupido senadores.

Curiously, some kanos think they decided to pull our rather than them being kicked out which is laughable, at best. They, at least, wanted to keep Subic when Clark was devastated.Then by all means, lets hand them back the lease for Subic again.

It's sooo eaaaaaaaasy piecey. Subic Naval Base is still relatively intact. Hand it back to the US Navy. Ahora mismo.

With a US Naval presence at Subic, the entire WPS and Spratlys are within striking range and Uncle Hu would be tiptoeing instead of swaggering.

Yeah, as a short term solution, we can give lend Subic - to hell with those protesters. Panghakutin mo yan at pabantayin mo sa Spratly Islands para doon sila magprotesta. :lol:

For me, I don't mind if Philippines also share the expense of maintaining their base para even naman ang treatment din sa atin at hindi lalabas na sila ang nanguupa tulad ng arrangment nila doon sa Japan at Korea. Kaya naman bayaran ng Pilipinas yan ngayon.

^^ I think sa US bases sa Korea Korean government ang nagpapasueldo sa mga Korean employees sa bases. I think that is a good model..


Those protesters should be rounded up and be sent to either China and NoKor since mahal na mahal nila mga bansyang yan :lol:

^^ I think sa US bases sa Korea Korean government ang nagpapasueldo sa mga Korean employees sa bases. I think that is a good model..


Those protesters should be rounded up and be sent to either China and NoKor since mahal na mahal nila mga bansyang yan :lol:

Sa Nokor nalang, para malaman natin kung mapapakain sila ng mga kalahi nila na pinagmamalaki at pinagdadaldal nila sa Pilipinas. :lol:

Hoping that we can solve the issue peacefully.

We have an international law backing up our claims in Panatag island.

Unless China will do an Israel (not giving up West Bank)..problema yan.

I wouldnt mind additional tax as long as i can see new military hardware every month being installed in our land. And as long as a base will be installed in that lagoon. Create a massive platform. And then a runway and then SAM either from Israel (Arrow) or Russia(S300) will be installed on that base. And then those frigates from Italy that they say will be bought (Maestrale?) will also be stationed. Second is squadron of AMX-ATA from Italy that will stationed on that base for patrol and Kfir as backup that can be deployed anytime they receive calls from that base. Damn that is when i would say that the Philippine government is serious in protecting our country.

Hey guys, I just saw the CNN afternoon news yest. North Korea is attempting to test and detonate real nuclear weapons underground this time. Their activities are closely being monitored by South Korea.

The devil in me is thinking out loud. What if? :| Magkamali sila and North Korea itself will burn in nuclear winter of its own doing?

Hey guys, I just saw the CNN afternoon news yest. North Korea is attempting to test and detonate real nuclear weapons underground this time. Their activities are closely being monitored by South Korea.

The devil in me is thinking out loud. What if? :| Magkamali sila and North Korea itself will burn in nuclear winter of its own doing?

Ive already figured this will be their next move. Every time they launch missiles, it will be followed by a nuclear test. Monitoring is not enough. What they should monitor is their missiles if it will successfully hit North Korea, from South Korea with love.

Hey guys, I just saw the CNN afternoon news yest. North Korea is attempting to test and detonate real nuclear weapons underground this time. Their activities are closely being monitored by South Korea.

The devil in me is thinking out loud. What if? :| Magkamali sila and North Korea itself will burn in nuclear winter of its own doing?

"creative" (self) destruction? I like! :rofl:

Then by all means, lets hand them back the lease for Subic again.

Yeah, as a short term solution, we can give lend Subic - to hell with those protesters. Panghakutin mo yan at pabantayin mo sa Spratly Islands para doon sila magprotesta. :lol:

For me, I don't mind if Philippines also share the expense of maintaining their base para even naman ang treatment din sa atin at hindi lalabas na sila ang nanguupa tulad ng arrangment nila doon sa Japan at Korea. Kaya naman bayaran ng Pilipinas yan ngayon.

I think the 1987 Constitution forbids foreign bases in the country. The lease for subic and clark had an ultimatum until 1994 (?).

^^ yeah, even PNoy declined the idea of having bases there--that was before the scarborough incident though...

I think the 1987 Constitution forbids foreign bases in the country. The lease for subic and clark had an ultimatum until 1994 (?).

It was 1992. The US left the bases Nov 1992 but the Senate decided to kick them out 1991, just after the Pinatubo and gave them one year to vacate

The constitution forbids foreign troops unless ratified by the Senate (2/3 votes). Hence, the VFA. So the leftist flak about sovereignty is baseless. It was with permission of the Senate as compared to Chinese "fishermen" intruding our waters. They did not ask for permission. In fact, they are even trying to own it!

Funny how the leftist are trying to make themselves relevant by holding pathetic rallies which achieves nothing but media milage on tabloid oriented primetime news..hehehe They are hard pressed to justify their left leaning support to China at the expense of trampling our territory by blaming the US for getting involved..

^^ What is a mismatch in their logic is they accuse the US/VFA for trampling on our sovereignty(come on their presence here is WITH permission of our government) yet when their mama China or brother No Kor launches a rocket that will fall in our EEZ or illegally poaching on our EEZ, they don't shout that it's an attack on our sovereignty. Worse, they NEVER protested in front of the Chinese embassy about the stand off but instead went to the US Embassy to protest the Balikatan.

They are the biggest hypocrites of this nation. They might as well just go to China or No Kor if they so like these countries.

Funny how the leftist are trying to make themselves relevant by holding pathetic rallies which achieves nothing but media milage on tabloid oriented primetime news..hehehe They are hard pressed to justify their left leaning support to China at the expense of trampling our territory by blaming the US for getting involved..

tomoooooooooo!!!!!!!!!! :lol::lol::lol::lol::cheers::cheers::cheers:

Chinese ship, plane break shoal stalemate




MANILA, Philippines - After a brief stalemate yesterday that pitted a Philippine search and rescue vessel against a Chinese surveillance ship, China boosted its presence in Scarborough Shoal with its redeployment of a ship that had been thought to have already left the area.

An aircraft believed to be Chinese was also reported to have harassed the Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) ship BRP Pampanga, so far the Philippines’ only symbol of power in Scarborough Shoal.

Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario said China’s show of might came despite its commitment to the Philippines that it would make “no surprises” while negotiations were underway.

“As I said earlier, my meeting with (Chinese) Ambassador Ma (Keqing) last night resulted in a stalemate. Notwithstanding, Ambassador Ma had asked if we would commit to no surprises until we meet again to which I agreed,” Del Rosario said.

“However, today, we received reports from the PCG that China sent back one of its white ships, bringing the number of Chinese ships in the area back to two,” he said.

He said a white Chinese ship – presumably the one that returned – harassed a Philippine-registered vessel with nine French nationals conducting archaeological surveys.

“It appears that there is an element that is lacking in our negotiations. I seek a deeper element of trust from our Chinese friends,” Del Rosario said.

Earlier yesterday, it was reported that all but one of the Chinese vessels involved in a standoff since Tuesday with PCG and Navy ships had left Scarborough Shoal.

But as tensions appeared to have eased with the departure of the ships, diplomatic talks on Friday ended in a stalemate as both sides insisted that the other nation’s ship leave the area first.

“I think the situation... the standoff has been diffused which is what we want. This is a good development. It shows that both parties want to resolve the issue peacefully,” Lt. Gen. Anthony Alcantara, Northern Luzon Command chief, said earlier yesterday.

Before the reappearance of the Chinese vessel, the only remaining Chinese ship in the area was maritime surveillance vessel Zhonggou Haijan with bow number 84. A fisheries vessel and five fishing boats pulled out of Scarborough – locally known as Panatag Shoal – Friday night. At the height of talks between Del Rosario and Ma on Thursday, three fishing boats and one “surveillance” ship slipped out of the area unnoticed by PCG vessel BRP Pampanga.

Alcantara said the pullout of the Chinese vessels could be an indication of China’s acknowledgment of the Philippines’ jurisdiction over the shoal. The lightly armed BRP Pampanga remains in the area.

Alcantara said it might be part of a diplomatic compromise that the Chinese fishing boats and their illegal cargo of corals, giant clams and live sharks were allowed to leave the area without being sanctioned.

Earlier yesterday, deputy presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte said that both sides “have agreed to refrain from doing anything that will escalate tensions” and that they are “finding really a diplomatic solution” to the problem.

“Both sides have agreed to give less priority to the diplomatic protests that were filed... There are a lot of things that, according to Secretary Del Rosario, we cannot discuss publicly because the negotiations and the talks are ongoing. But we will leave it up to Secretary Del Rosario to inform us of the other pertinent developments that are ongoing,” Valte said over radio station dzRB.

“As far as the situation now is concerned, they are still there and both sides, of course, are still there and we will leave it up again to the DFA and to the Coast Guard to update us on any developments on this,” she said.

Apparently still unaware of the disappearance of the Chinese fishermen and their illegal catch, Valte said their violation of the country’s laws “is an unresolved issue as of now, according to Secretary Del Rosario, and we will defer, we will leave that to the DFA to talk about.”

Regrettable

Del Rosario said that while he felt relieved by the withdrawal of the Chinese vessels, he said it was “regrettable” that their illegal catch was never confiscated.

“The meeting with Ambassador Ma last night resulted in a stalemate as we had demanded of one another that the other nation’s ship be first to leave the area,” Del Rosario said in a statement.

“We later learned that the Chinese fishing vessels had left the lagoon, a development which we had been working toward except for our not being able to confiscate their illegal harvest pursuant to the Fisheries Code, which was regrettable,” he said. “We will continue to monitor the situation in coordination with concerned agencies.”

“I had stated that we would be willing to allow the Chinese boats to return to China following the confiscation of their harvest of endangered species by our authorities,” but Ma “had asserted that Chinese fishing vessels would be subject to inspection by their own authorities,” Del Rosario said.

Bureau of Customs (BOC) Commissioner Rufino Biazon said that while his agency may have jurisdiction over the illegal harvests of corals and giant clams, he would rather wait for the diplomatic initiatives to finish before making a move.

“I don’t think we need to complicate matters with BOC stepping into the fray. I will leave this as a diplomatic and security issue. I believe those are the primary issues,” Biazon said.

“While we can technically say that the BOC has jurisdiction, those primary issues must be resolved first before we get involved,” he said.

“The EEZ (Exclusive Economic Zone) is within the Philippine territory. For me, technically these are products or items being taken from Philippine territory and they are being exported for trade, so that is export. We have laws that prohibit the export of marine resources,” Biazon said.

The Scarborough Shoal standoff began on Tuesday when two Chinese maritime vessels prevented the crew of BRP Gregorio del Pilar from arresting the Chinese fishermen and seizing their illegal catch. The Del Pilar – a reconditioned Hamilton-class coast guard cutter – is the country’s largest and newest warship.

Scarborough or Panatag Shoal is 120 nautical miles from Zambales and is well within the country’s 200-nautical mile EEZ based on the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) to which China is a signatory.

Alcantara, meanwhile, said they would keep their presence in Scarborough as ordered by Armed Forces chief Gen. Jesse Dellosa. There were initially eight Chinese fishing boats seen in the area, but the number increased to 12 at one point, he said.

PCG commandant Vice Admiral Edmund Tan said another search and rescue vessel would be deployed to Scarborough either tomorrow or Tuesday to relieve BRP Pampanga.

He said the 56-meter BRP EDSA was in Batangas refueling and waiting for the arrival of a medical team. The mission of BRP EDSA, under the command of Capt. Romeo Rivero, is “to replace our vessel now in Scarborough Shoal.”

Dellosa said the Scarborough Shoal face-off has again highlighted the need for the military to modernize.

“Our military upgrade and modernization program is continuing. We need more naval and air assets to protect our own territory,” Dellosa said. “We need these military assets for us to at least address these concerns.”

Ridiculous

Meanwhile, Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile said it’s ridiculous for China to insist on claiming the entire South China Sea just because the latter – one of the world’s busiest sealanes – is named after the country.

Using China’s logic, Enrile said just about every island or territory may be claimed by any country after which it is named. China is claiming the entire South China Sea and all the islands therein, citing ancient maps and text.

He said several countries have oceans and seas named after them, but they don’t claim ownership to these bodies of water. For instance, India has never claimed the Indian Ocean just as Iran has never considered the whole Persian Gulf its own. Persia is the ancient name of Iran.

“The problem with them is that they (China) are claiming Scarborough on the basis of it being in the South China Sea. But if this is the case then Iran can claim all of the islands in the Persian Gulf and India for the Indian Ocean because these are named after them,” Enrile said.

Aside from Scarborough Shoal, another hotly contested island in the South China Sea or West Philippine Sea is the Spratly Islands group. Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, and Taiwan also claim the islands in whole or in part.

Sen. Panfilo Lacson, for his part, has expressed concern over the Chinese poachers’ being able to leave Scarborough Shoal with their illegal harvest of live sharks and corals. He said it was an indication that the Chinese can violate Philippine laws as they please without fear of any repercussion.

Lacson said the items should have been seized by Philippine authorities, particularly by the Coast Guard.

He also took note of the silence of the United States government on the incident. He said a US statement of concern or warning would have made a difference in China’s posturing.

Lacson, chairman of the Senate committee on national defense and security, said the Philippines should count on US support in such situations based on its existing Mutual Defense Treaty with the world’s superpower.

Lacson said that based on the treaty, the Philippines may even be dragged into war as an ally of the US if the latter is attacked. – With Pia Lee-Brago, Marvin Sy, Aurea Calica and Evelyn Macairan


http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=797103&publicationSubCategoryId=63

Yumayabang ah

mga gago din pala tong mga NPA na to eh.. sige subukan nila para mapulbos na silang lahat; magandang balikatan exercise yan para sa mga kano at pilipino dahil ung kalaban totoo...:lol::nuts:

CPP hints at NPA 'armed resistance' vs Balikatan troops
April 15, 2012 5:52pm

Communist-led New People's Army rebels may engage in "armed resistance" against troops in the PHL-US Balikatan joint military exercises set to start on Monday, the Communist Party of the Philippines hinted Sunday.

In a statement, the CPP said it called on "revolutionary forces" to defend what it called "national sovereignty" against US troops.

“The CPP further calls on all revolutionary forces to stand ground in defense of national sovereignty and raise the Filipino people’s determination to wage a patriotic armed resistance against the interventionist troops of the US imperialists,” it said.

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– KBK, GMA News

rest of the article:
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/255038/news/nation/cpp-hints-at-npa-armed-resistance-vs-balikatan-troops

:cheers:

Gawin nila yan, pulbusin talaga sila ng mga kano :lol:

Anyhow, that is a tactical suicide. More and more people are questioning their lack of condemnation on the recent stand off with China and their praise for No Kor. Bahala sila, mawawalan sila ng seats sa Congress :lol:

Gawin nila yan, pulbusin talaga sila ng mga kano :lol

Anyhow, that is a tactical suicide. More and more people are questioning their lack of condemnation on the recent stand off with China and their praise for No Kor. Bahala sila, mawawalan sila ng seats sa Congress :lol:

Sana nga mapulbos ng mga kano. Ubusin silang lahat. Isama na yung mga fronts nila sa Kongreso.

Anak Maoist. Pwe.

Btw, a pro-China entry on a wiki entry (I think it was Panatag Shoal entry) references an incumbent Philippine left leaning congressman. When I clicked edit, ay lumabas!

^^ Nasa balita kanina. Nag-rarally na naman ang mga tutang komunista laban saBalikatan excercises. Ayaw daw nilang magkaroon ng utang na loob ang Pilipinas sa Estados Unidos. (Me ganun?)

Balikatan to kick off Monday amid latest PHL-China territorial tiff

More than 4,000 American troops will join their Filipino counterparts Monday for a series of military exercises that Malacañang hopes will not provoke China following its latest territorial tiff with the Philippines.

Deputy presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte on Sunday said the joint RP-US Balikatan military exercises are not meant to be a show of force against China as it had been scheduled several months before the latest Philippine-China standoff at Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal.

“Wala itong kinalaman sa naging insidente sa Panatag. The exercises are always scheduled noon pa,” Valte said on government-run dzRB radio.

She said the Palace is hoping the Balikatan exercises will not “provoke” China. “Umaasa tayo this will not result in provocation. As we have said the exercises had long been scheduled and wala siyang kinalaman sa insidente.”

Maj. Emmanuel Garcia, Balikatan public affairs officer, said the exercises are not in any way related to the standoff between Philippine and China.

“The Balikatan exercises [are] in no way related to any event like the Scarborough Shoal [standoff]," he said Sunday. "This was planned long before for the security of our country – maritime security, counter-terrorism and humanitarian and disaster response.”

Balikatan

The Balikatan is the biggest combined military exercise between the Armed Forces of the Philippines and the United States Pacific Command. It aims to promote regional peace and security and improve the interoperability and contingency planning of both forces for defense in accordance with the Mutual Defense Treaty.

Some 6,800 troops — 4,500 American and 2,300 Filipinos — are expected to participate in this annual exercise, which includes computer-simulated command post exercises, multiple field training exercises and humanitarian civic assistance projects in pre-selected areas in Palawan, the Philippine Information Agency said.

However, the Philippines remains in a standoff with China off Panatag Shoal, about 124 nautical miles off Zambales, after the Philippine military spotted Chinese fishing vessels poaching in the area.

But before the Philippine Navy could make arrests, two Chinese maritime vessels blocked its path.

Following talks between Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario and Chinese Ambassador Ma Keqing, the eight Chinese fishing vessels left the area Friday night. The standoff has not ended after China sent back one of its ships to the area.

The venue of the actual training exercises includes the West Philippine Sea (also South China Sea) off Palawan where both forces will be pursuing amphibious exercises; and gas and oil platform defense and retake.

The West Philippine Sea is the site of the Spratly Island, a chain of islands and islets believed to rich in oil and minerals deposits. The island is being claimed in part or in whole by the Philippines, China, Taiwan, Malaysia, Brunei and Vietnam.

Palace downplays lack of ambassador to China

Valte also downplayed the Philippines’ lack of an ambassador to China, as nominee Domingo Lee – a family friend of President Benigno Aquino III – has yet to be confirmed by the Commission on Appointments.

She said del Rosario has been personally heading the diplomatic efforts to address the situation at Panatag Shoal.

“Meron pang mga issues si Mr. Lee has to answer before the CA. But be that as it may, Secretary del Rosario has been heading the diplomatic efforts to address the incident at Panatag Shoal,” she said.

Poachers

Valte kept mum on whether the Philippines will pursue the Chinese fishermen who got away with marine life they took from the area.

While she said the Philippines’ position has always been to maintain its claim over the Panatag Shoal, it “must resort to diplomatic resolution and avail of the diplomatic process to settle incidents like this.”

“Secretary del Rosario said this remains to be unresolved issue. We’ll defer to the DFA. I hope you understand given the sensitive nature of the incident,” she added. — KBK, GMA News

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/255020/news/nation/balikatan-to-kick-off-monday-amid-latest-phl-china-territorial-tiff

^^ Nasa balita kanina. Nag-rarally na naman ang mga tutang komunista laban saBalikatan excercises. Ayaw daw nilang magkaroon ng utang na loob ang Pilipinas sa Estados Unidos. (Me ganun?)

Intsik-ure sila eh

Sana may magtanong sa media sa interview bakit wala sila sa embahada ng mga instik :lol:

Ay naku, wag nila bigyan ng dahilan na makialam ang US sa labanan nila ng AFP. Americans may not be as good as them when it comes to guerilla warfare but their military equipments can detect even the heat of their farts in the dark caves of Philippine mountains.

^^ After training with the AFP, magaling na sila sa guerilla war :lol:

If I'm not mistaken, Scout Rangers eh Jungle warfare ang forte nila...