Ok - lets forget about scarborough for a second - what exactly are we going to do about the rest of their claims? say, the spratleys?

Do the usual thing we do and continue with what has been planned. Actually, the scarborough is a good diversion from the spratlys

It will only tarnish china's image if they rule it in our favor. [which logically they should, but you never know]


Fair point about leaving the ships at Panatag, [B]but what exactly are we going to do now about the rest of the islands they are claiming?

Well, I'm very sure that they are also included when we file them to the ITLOS. It's not just the Panatag shoal.

All we have to do is just keep an eye on them as we prop up our defense while the heat is concentrated in Panatag at this moment.

Sorry China has a Food Safety Bureau??? :lol::lol::lol::lol: LAUGHTRIP! :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Melamine...hahahahaha

China Travel Agencies Suspend Trips to the Philippines


By CHRISTOPHER BODEEN | Associated Press – 31 mins ago



BEIJING (AP) — China is suspending some tourism to the Philippines and increasing inspections on fruit imports in an apparent bid to use economic pressure to end a standoff over a disputed shoal in the South China Sea.
The Shanghai Tourism Bureau recently ordered tours to the Philippines suspended indefinitely, according to staff with the Yiyou and Guojikuaixian travel agencies in the eastern financial hub.
Nationwide online agency Ctrip.com has also suspended trips due to safety concerns, an agent said, citing "anti-China sentiments in that country right now." She said the company acted on its own without official orders.
None of the agents would give their names because of the sensitivity of the matter. Calls to China's national tourism administration rang unanswered Thursday.
The suspensions come as China's embassy in Manila issued a safety warning to its nationals in the Philippines over planned protests there asserting Philippines rights over disputed Scarborough Shoal, where boats from China and the Philippines have been engaged in a monthlong standoff.
Meanwhile, China's food safety watchdog has ordered stiffer inspections of banana, pineapples, and other fruit imported from the Philippines. The agricultural sector is about 12 percent of the Philippine economy, but the impact may be small as China is not a primary market. Chinese tourists also make up about 9 percent of total arrivals to the Philippines, according to the Philippines national tourism administration.
The economic squeezing follows growing diplomatic pressure from Beijing and a raft of fiery editorials in Chinese state media. Beijing has summoned Manila's charge d'affairs to hear protests three times in recent weeks, while retired and serving military officers have penned calls for a limited military operation to shore up China's credibility on the matter.
China and the Philippines are among six claimants to waters and island groups in the South China Sea, which boasts some of the world's most heavily traveled maritime lanes, rich fishing grounds, and a potential wealth of mineral resources.
The latest standoff between Beijing and Manila began April 10 when the Philippine navy accused Chinese boats of fishing illegally around Scarborough.





Really? We are this economically dependent on Chicoms? Tila tumaas din ang food safety standards nila. :lol:

Sino kaya ang inuulol nila? :lol:

If you think, menos spy dim yang "turisa" nila. Hehe

China craves respect. But it will never get it. Itaga yan sa bato. :yes:

Really? We are this economically dependent on Chicoms? Tila tumaas din ang food safety standards nila. :lol:

Sino kaya ang inuulol nila? :lol:Remember they also used the embargo on rare earth minerals against Japan during the previous clash when Japan imprisoned their fishing boat and captain.

Ah the Pad Thais.



The pepper-eating surrender monkeys of Asia:lol::lol:
Too bad Papa Sugar already knows your true colors. They're just not telling ya:nuts:

Not surprising, this stuff is written in their history. Land of the free my ass. Hehehe

Let's the elephants sodomize Yah and then have your land salted until not even grass can grow ...:ohno:

Remember they also used the embargo on rare earth minerals against Japan during the previous clash when Japan imprisoned their fishing boat and captain.

That is why Japan is taking measures to decrease its rare earth mineral requirements from China such as mining the sea floor.

Tada!! That's where the Benham rise is for. :cheers::cheers:

Remember they also used the embargo on rare earth minerals against Japan during the previous clash when Japan imprisoned their fishing boat and captain.

China will declare an embargo on drug trafficking. Pano na ang mga adik sa Pilipinas? :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Remember they also used the embargo on rare earth minerals against Japan during the previous clash when Japan imprisoned their fishing boat and captain.

We can invite Japan to invest in Benham rise...hehehe

Some people still bring up the neutral stance of the US. Well, the us congress has NOT ratified the unclos; therefore the us cannot say anything about eez and take sides.

Found an article that somewhat explains that:

Why to Forget UNCLOS (http://the-diplomat.com/flashpoints-blog/2012/02/17/why-to-forget-unclos/)

The Obama administration seems determined to put political science theories to the test by “binding” China into the rules-based order over which the United States presides. Only this time, China is already a signatory to the rules in question. The Obama administration seems to think it is the United States that needs the binding.
The timing of this new push over the U.N. Convention on the Law of Sea, signed by President Bill Clinton and then defeated by the Senate in 1994, is curious. One need only scan the past three years of Chinese activities in the South China (http://the-diplomat.com/2012/02/04/beijings-south-china-sea-gamble/), East China, and Yellow seas to find evidence that China intends to change the maritime status quo in ways detrimental to U.S. interests. Despite ratifying UNCLOS, China’s maritime behavior in East Asia (http://the-diplomat.com/2011/11/19/ensuring-china%E2%80%99s-peaceful-rise/) runs contrary to international law and custom as they have been commonly understood for centuries.
Where customary international law has protected the traditionally expansive understanding of freedom of the seas – allowing open access to all but narrow bands of territorial waters along national coastlines – China is trying to curtail that access, fence off its peripheral waters, and deny to other maritime nations the freedom of navigation they have long and lawfully enjoyed. What’s the argument for signing UNCLOS when China itself doesn’t adhere to the law? When it turns out that the letter of the law is less clear than its proponents think? Given these problems, U.S. ratification of UNCLOS won’t resolve Sino-U.S. disagreements; it will only lead to endless legal and diplomatic wrangling.
Arguments for UNCLOS ratification now are even more bizarre given that international law and the balance of power favor the United States. To ratify the treaty at this time would be to signal approval to other states of faulty interpretations of international law while committing the United States to endless dispute resolution in international bodies that haven’t historically favored its interests. Washington would put itself in a position where it might have to ignore the treaty’s dispute resolution clauses to further its interests. Why sign a treaty we will have to violate? In doing so, wouldn’t Washington cede the moral high ground it now holds by simply following established custom?
No, ratification of UNCLOS will not help Washington and Beijing resolve their maritime disputes. Rather, resolution lies in the United States’ continued exercise of its rights in international waters, diplomatic negotiations with China and American friends and allies, and continued military supremacy.
Through military and diplomatic pressure and “lawfare” China is trying to carve out a sphere of control in most of the South China Sea and parts of the East and Yellow Seas. Consider the following incidents:
-- In 2001, a Chinese J-8 fighter collided with an unarmed U.S. EP-3 surveillance aircraft over international waters in China’s exclusive economic zone, forcing an emergency landing on Hainan island and putting at risk the lives of American servicemen and women.
-- In 2009, China harassed unarmed U.S. naval vessels in the Yellow Sea and South China Sea, including the USNS Impeccable.
-- Last year, China unilaterally declared a fishing ban in parts of the South China Sea that China doesn’t own.
-- Also in 2011, a Chinese fishing boat cut the survey cables of a PetroVietnam ship in an area more than 1,000 kilometers (622 miles) from China’s Hainan island...

Let's the elephants sodomize Yah and then have your land salted until not even grass can grow ...:ohno:

We have been invaded several times in history my friend but we never back down. :lol:

We gave Japanese the hardest time dealing with us back in WWII.

and we also helped pushed back the North Koreans and Chinese PLA north of Seoul's border back in Korean War.

Filipinos are willing to die defending what's ours rather than becoming Beijing floozies. :lol:

If the ASEAN can not make a stand, we will do it on our own.

China will declare an embargo on drug trafficking. Pano na ang mga adik sa Pilipinas? :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Baka yang tourist suspension eh magpabawas sa mga drug syndicates... Hehehe

Our new ally, China? :lol:

Chinese defense minister meets ‘Flying Tigers’ in US

http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/05/chinese-defense-minister-meets-flying-tigers-in-us/

Chinese defense minister arrives in US for official visit


http://www.china.org.cn/world/2012-05/05/content_25308460.htm

Under the current complicated international situation, China and the United States share vast common interests, and their relations have great development potential, he noted.

Liang said his visit aims to implement the consensus Chinese President Hu Jintao and US President Barack Obama reached on building a cooperative partnership of mutual respect and benefit, and push forward the development of bilateral and military ties in a healthy and stable way.

Before wrapping up his visit on May 10, Liang will meet US state and military leaders, and hold a joint press conference with his US counterpart Leon Panetta after talks, the Chinese Defense Ministry announced earlier.

Besides, Liang will tour the US Southern Command, Fort Benning of the US Army, Naval Base San Diego, the 4th Fighter Wing of US Air Force, II Marine Expeditionary Force of US Marine Corps and US Military Academy at West Point, according to the Chinese Defense Ministry

Let's the elephants sodomize Yah and then have your land salted until not even grass can grow ...:ohno:
My advice to you is stay off this forum if you don't like what the facts actually say about your so-called US alliance.
Stay off this forum then.

Are you sure? Ive heard that most of their products enter our ports free. They call it smuggling.

Yes, just check with the statistical reports from NSCB.

http://www8.gmanews.tv/webpics/v3/2012/02/2011exportsgrowthmarkets.jpg


Japan, Taiwan, Thailand and China were among the country's top 10 markets and all four posted significant increases in export growth rates while other markets in the top 10 recorded declines.

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/248600/economy/business/after-lean-2011-bright-economic-forecast-and-rosy-signs-for-12

I am more concerned on the job losses of the Filipinos who are working
in factories/manufacturing industry whose products are exported to China.

If the State can guarantee that the families of thousands of Filipinos
will not go hungry, then fine with me.

F and U OBAMucks


CHINESE DEFENSE MINISTER TO VISIT U.S. SENSITIVE SITES

http://freebeacon.com/guess-whos-coming-to-dinner/

China’s defense minister and a delegation of military officials will visit sensitive U.S. military facilities this week, raising fresh concerns that the Pentagon may not be fully abiding by a 2000 law restricting Chinese military visits.

Asked about security concerns related to the large delegation of Chinese military officials, Cmdr. Leslie Hull-Ryde, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said the visit “was given a thorough security and policy review to ensure compliance with U.S. laws and department policy.”

“The delegation is not stopping at any location that has not been appropriately cleared for this visit,” she said.

But a defense official close to the visit said the arrival of Chinese Minister of Defense Gen. Liang Guanglie and a large delegation raises concerns among some in the Pentagon about whether the Obama administration is violating the 2000 National Defense Authorization Act provisions that prohibit showing Chinese military visitors key facilities that could boost Beijing’s growing military power.

Ipamigay na daw natin ang coast natin

Buti pa ang iran. Di takot sa embargo :D

What will happen to the targeted US$60 B Total Trade with China in 2016? PH GDP is not so big, US$226 Billion as of 12/31/2011.


Sino-Philippine trade to double
Updated: 2011-09-01 10:15
By Cheng Guangjin and Lan Lan (China Daily)


Sino-Philippine trade to double

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/images/2011summerdavos/attachement/jpg/site1/20110901/002170192c4e0fc92d7a05.jpg

President Hu Jintao introduces members of the Chinese team to visiting Philippine President Benigno Aquino during a welcoming ceremony at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing on Wednesday. [Photo / China Daily]

$60 b target set for 2016 as top leaders put sea dispute aside

BEIJING - China and the Philippines aim to double bilateral trade to $60 billion in 2016, indicating that economic cooperation is a priority as the countries put aside the South China Sea dispute that has strained ties.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2011summerdavos/2011-09/01/content_13646821.htm

^^
It's about time that Philippines also learn how to be more self-reliant by exploring other potential markets such as India.

Economics thread na pala ito, hindi defense :D

My advice to you is stay off this forum if you don't like what the facts actually say about your so-called US alliance.
Stay off this forum then.
Giving such insult so I have to give some insult in return - clear & Simple!

F and U OBAMucks


CHINESE DEFENSE MINISTER TO VISIT U.S. SENSITIVE SITES

http://freebeacon.com/guess-whos-coming-to-dinner/

China’s defense minister and a delegation of military officials will visit sensitive U.S. military facilities this week, raising fresh concerns that the Pentagon may not be fully abiding by a 2000 law restricting Chinese military visits.

Asked about security concerns related to the large delegation of Chinese military officials, Cmdr. Leslie Hull-Ryde, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said the visit “was given a thorough security and policy review to ensure compliance with U.S. laws and department policy.”

“The delegation is not stopping at any location that has not been appropriately cleared for this visit,” she said.

But a defense official close to the visit said the arrival of Chinese Minister of Defense Gen. Liang Guanglie and a large delegation raises concerns among some in the Pentagon about whether the Obama administration is violating the 2000 National Defense Authorization Act provisions that prohibit showing Chinese military visitors key facilities that could boost Beijing’s growing military power.

Obama does suck. It's just one of the many reasons he's off my candidate list.
I hope he loses.

If china puts sanction on us, it will give us the opportunity to develop trade with india and latin america

Baka yang tourist suspension eh magpabawas sa mga drug syndicates... Hehehe

Korek!!! Bawas smuggler. Sana may embargo din ng mga poisonous Chinese products!

We have been invaded several times in history my friend but we never back down. :lol:

We gave Japanese the hardest time dealing with us back in WWII.

and we also helped pushed back the North Koreans and Chinese PLA north of Seoul's border back in Korean War.

Filipinos are willing to die defending what's ours rather than become a Beijing floozies. :lol:

If the ASEAN can not make a stand, we will do it on our own.

Philippine balls are bigger than the entire ASEAN combined. :D

A live media coverage is needed to counter chinese lies


Gusto ng ABS-CBN yan. Gawin na yang Big Brother Panatag Shoal Edition. :D


Our new ally, China? :lol:

Chinese defense minister meets ‘Flying Tigers’ in US

http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/05/chinese-defense-minister-meets-flying-tigers-in-us/

Chinese defense minister arrives in US for official visit


http://www.china.org.cn/world/2012-05/05/content_25308460.htm

Under the current complicated international situation, China and the United States share vast common interests, and their relations have great development potential, he noted.

Liang said his visit aims to implement the consensus Chinese President Hu Jintao and US President Barack Obama reached on building a cooperative partnership of mutual respect and benefit, and push forward the development of bilateral and military ties in a healthy and stable way.

Before wrapping up his visit on May 10, Liang will meet US state and military leaders, and hold a joint press conference with his US counterpart Leon Panetta after talks, the Chinese Defense Ministry announced earlier.

Besides, Liang will tour the US Southern Command, Fort Benning of the US Army, Naval Base San Diego, the 4th Fighter Wing of US Air Force, II Marine Expeditionary Force of US Marine Corps and US Military Academy at West Point, according to the Chinese Defense Ministry


The Americans are not that stupid I don't think. :lol:

Reading between the lines:

Under the current complicated international situation, China and the United States share vast common interests, and their relations have great development potential, he noted.

Translation:


(Under the current complicated international situation,) We hate each others guts, (China and the United States share vast common interests) Americans owe us money who can always choose not to pay us, but without American investments we are doomed. Plus they have better more efficient military than we do.(and their relations have great development potential,) We really do hope you'd let us take damn Philippines down. Pretty please?

(Liang said his visit aims to implement the consensus Chinese President Hu Jintao and US President Barack Obama reached on building a cooperative partnership of mutual respect and benefit, and push forward the development of bilateral and military ties in a healthy and stable way.)

Translation:


Just stay the f*ck off West Philippine Sea. Military exercises in the area makes us all nervous.

Obama does suck. It's just one of the many reasons he's off my candidate list.
I hope he loses.

Amen. Amen. Mccain should have won. If he did, maybe we have the save act now and ships to warn china :D

Giving such insult so I have to give some insult in return - clear & Simple!


Okay Sorry. You're not pepper eating surrender monkeys.
You're still Surrender types who love sucking Chinese ass or anybody else!

Philippines has been invaded many times but at least we put up a fight.
You dont like to hear the truth then Stay off our forums! Go, shoo!

Sorry China has a Food Safety Bureau??? :lol::lol::lol::lol: LAUGHTRIP! :lol::lol::lol::lol:

It is just an alibi. The PH Banana Exporters are extremely worried since China is their biggest export market. If this is not addressed, it will spell a catastrophe and will result to hundreds of thousands of job losses....




Philippine banana export to China blocked -

The governments of China and the Philippines are meeting soon but not about the Scarborough shoal. The two governments will talk bananas.

Trade regulators of the two countries are poised to meet to avert a possible trade rift over the rejection by China of a shipload of bananas from the Philippines recently claiming they failed to meet quarantine tests.

The Pilipino Banana Growers and Exporters Association (PBGEA), however, view the imposition of new requirements by China as a form of retaliation in view of the ongoing dispute over the Scarborough shoal.

As if to minimize the impact of the impending talks, Trade Undersecretary Adrian Cristobal Jr. said the matter is purely a sanitary and pythosanitary (SPS) issue but that the Philippines is nevertheless preparing as the quarantine may cover other Philippine fruits such as pineapples.

"Based on the reports we are getting, this is purely an SPS issue. Let's avoid speculation at this stage," Cristobal said.

He said the Department of Trade and Industry, Department of Agriculture, the Bureau of Plant Industry, the Chinese embassy in Manila and the Philippine embassy in Beijing are working closely with the industry to address the issue.

"Concrete steps are in place, including negotiations across the table among regulators of the two countries," Cristobal said.

According to Cristobal, China's Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine (AQSIQ) has informed the Philippine embassy in Beijing that 43 batches of bananas shipped in April were found with pests.

He said the DA is verifying such claim.

Although China has not suspended importation of bananas from the Philippines, it could do so in the future if it finds the prevalence of pests, Cristobal said.

The 43 batches at issue were shipped by a number of growers, leading to speculation that China is retaliating for the tension with the Philippines over the Scarborough shoal dispute.

Cristobal said both governments are now exchanging test results and, hopefully, they will arrive at some concrete findings this week.

He said the Philippines is preparing as the quarantine may cover other fruits like pineapples and papayas. The Philippines imports a good volume of vegetables from China.

The Philippines is the largest exporter of pineapples to China, shipping over $23 million worth of the fruit last year.

According to Cristobal, even prior to this issue, he has been closely working with the banana industry to come up with an action plan and strategy for market diversification.

At present, China is the second biggest market after Japan. Canada is a potential market which the Philippines is beginning to penetrate. Other markets being looked at are Russia, New Zealand and the Middle East.

Last year, the Philippines exported $366.68 million worth of bananas or 91 percent of its total production.

http://globalnewsonline.blogspot.com/2012/05/philippine-banana-export-to-china.html#.T6s7oVLX-nA

if philippine bananas have pest, china's cabbage and kiwis and other agri products have formalin and other poison.

RonnieR: Collateral damage.

May philippine economy thread naman na puedeng ipost yan :lol:

Old news na yang banana war waged by China.


Pasisindak tayo?

If they do not import our banana, then the price of their banana will go up. It will not be easy for them to import from Latin America since the shipping time is longer and most go to the US and Europe.

Saging lang ang may puso!

:lol:

May philippine economy thread naman na puedeng ipost yan :lol:

Old news na yang banana war waged by China.


Pasisindak tayo?

If they do not import our banana, then the price of their banana will go up. It will not be easy for them to import from Latin America since the shipping time is longer and most go to the US and Europe.

some of them are really so naive to think that filipinos will surrrender just because they would not be buying our bananas. sino ang lugi dito di kayo makatikim ng masarap at mura na banana:lol:

mag stock na pala ako ng banana kung ganon :lol:

Saging lang ang may puso!

:lol:

K6cufhldqSU

:lol::lol:

Pano na ang saging ni Pacing? :D

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_nxUb2kYKSvI/R8zAElFENRI/AAAAAAAAEls/VT_ti-H6KMI/s400/Magsasaging-+Pacing-71-+RosannaO-+small+file.jpg

if philippine bananas have pest, china's cabbage and kiwis and other agri products have formalin and other poison.

Pero nasarapan naman sila. :lol::lol:

Okay Sorry. You're not pepper eating surrender monkeys.
You're still Surrender types who love sucking Chinese ass or anybody else!

Philippines has been invaded many times but at least we put up a fight.
You dont like to hear the truth then Stay off our forums! Go, shoo!

At least, you got my message right though ...

some of them are really so naive to think that filipinos will surrrender just because they would not be buying our bananas. sino ang lugi dito di kayo makatikim ng masarap at mura na banana:lol:

mag stock na pala ako ng banana kung ganon :lol:



It is a bad habit to kowtow to a thief just because of economic sanctions.... Esp when there are other friendlier countries

At least, you got my message right though ...

And you didn't get mine.

Tell you what my friend. Maybe you can make money off of us by selling us some new weapons in case of conflict or WW3?
Seeing as you guys won't use them anyway.

Now didn't I ask you to stay out of our forums? You've had your 'apology'.
Now go!

And you didn't get mine.

Tell you what my friend. Maybe you can make money off of us by selling us some new weapons in case of conflict or WW3?
Seeing as you guys won't use them anyway.

Now didn't I ask you to stay out of our forums? You've had your 'apology'.
Now go!

ouch, please be kind to...



shoo:lol::lol::lol::lol:

RonnieR: Collateral damage.

Do we need it? Okay lang sa atin that we're living okay. I mean I can easily go to other countries to live or just stay here but the economy will be affected. Paano nalang ang plano nang Pinas sa Medium Term? na magiging Upper Middle economy tayo?

May philippine economy thread naman na puedeng ipost yan :lol:



Hayaan mo na....di naman ako sumasalungat sa gusto nyo dito eh. :) business side lang ako....

Do we need it? Okay lang sa atin that we're living okay. I mean I can easily go to other countries to live or just stay here but the economy will be affected. Paano nalang ang plano nang Pinas sa Medium Term? na magiging Upper Middle economy tayo?



Hayaan mo na....di naman ako sumasalungat sa gusto nyo dito eh. :) business side lang ako....

In a conflict, it's impossible to safeguard each and everyone's interests.

Korek!!! Bawas smuggler. Sana may embargo din ng mga poisonous Chinese products!



Philippine balls are bigger than the entire ASEAN combined. :D




Gusto ng ABS-CBN yan. Gawin na yang Big Brother Panatag Shoal Edition. :D





The Americans are not that stupid I don't think. :lol:

Reading between the lines:



Translation:


(Under the current complicated international situation,) We hate each others guts, (China and the United States share vast common interests) Americans owe us money who can always choose not to pay us, but without American investments we are doomed. Plus they have better more efficient military than we do.(and their relations have great development potential,) We really do hope you'd let us take damn Philippines down. Pretty please?

(Liang said his visit aims to implement the consensus Chinese President Hu Jintao and US President Barack Obama reached on building a cooperative partnership of mutual respect and benefit, and push forward the development of bilateral and military ties in a healthy and stable way.)

Translation:


Just stay the f*ck off West Philippine Sea. Military exercises in the area makes us all nervous.

Personally, I think they're trying their darndest to go on a charm offensive on the United States. What with recent events not looking good for CCP right now i.e. disputes, dissident's human rights etc., they're probaly trying their darndest to put on their own "smiling dog" face.

Our new ally, China? :lol:

Chinese defense minister meets ‘Flying Tigers’ in US

http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/05/chinese-defense-minister-meets-flying-tigers-in-us/

Chinese defense minister arrives in US for official visit


http://www.china.org.cn/world/2012-05/05/content_25308460.htm

Under the current complicated international situation, China and the United States share vast common interests, and their relations have great development potential, he noted.

Liang said his visit aims to implement the consensus Chinese President Hu Jintao and US President Barack Obama reached on building a cooperative partnership of mutual respect and benefit, and push forward the development of bilateral and military ties in a healthy and stable way.

Before wrapping up his visit on May 10, Liang will meet US state and military leaders, and hold a joint press conference with his US counterpart Leon Panetta after talks, the Chinese Defense Ministry announced earlier.

Besides, Liang will tour the US Southern Command, Fort Benning of the US Army, Naval Base San Diego, the 4th Fighter Wing of US Air Force, II Marine Expeditionary Force of US Marine Corps and US Military Academy at West Point, according to the Chinese Defense Ministry

same thing that Japan did before they attack Pearl Harbor...

same thing that Japan did before they attack Pearl Harbor...

B-I-N-G-O!

i just watch ANC awhile ago and they said CHinese embassy or the foreign affairs dept of china issued a warning for there citizens in the philippines, so now China is flexing the economic impact on us, from export to tourism... they shift the war to economy after they discover that we can take a stand on the sea...

We just look for other clients then.

Wait isnt this sanctions against the free trade agreement?

same thing that Japan did before they attack Pearl Harbor...

Told ya, there are so many parallelisms to imperial japan

We just look for other clients then.

Wait isnt this sanctions against the free trade agreement?

The ASEAN China Free Trade Agreement was more of reducing tariff of goods. So many goods now are traded with zero duties.

Pababalikin ata ng mga chinini ang mga kalahi nila sa china tas magpapaputok na sila sa manila.

Personally, I think they're trying their darndest to go on a charm offensive on the United States. What with recent events not looking good for CCP right now i.e. disputes, dissident's human rights etc., they're probaly trying their darndest to put on their own "smiling dog" face.

There is more to it than what meets the eye. ;)

RE: Bananas, the crazy bananas.

I don't want to read too skeptically into this, and I hope it sure is a special case/incident, but you know that there are other issues and baggages riding into this (other than the claimed pests) when you don't hear complaints from the Japanese side, and you get it from China. So really, China now calls out the shots when it comes to quality of FOOD IMPORTS over Japan? I mean, really?

RE: Bananas, the crazy bananas.

I don't want to read too skeptically into this, and I hope it sure is a special case/incident, but you know that there are other issues and baggages riding into this (other than the claimed pests) when you don't hear complaints from the Japanese side, and you get it from China. So really, China now calls out the shots when it comes to quality of FOOD IMPORTS over Japan? I mean, really?

Alibi and brainwashing at its best just because PH doesn't buy their b/s regarding their fake historical claims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yultong

The Battle of Yultong,[6] also known as the Battle of Meiluodong (Chinese: 美罗洞战斗; pinyin: Měiluódòng Zhàndòu), was a battle of the Korean War. It was fought between elements of the Chinese People's Volunteer Army 44th Division and the Filipino 10th Battalion Combat Team (BCT) at the north of Yeoncheon during April 22–23, 1951.[7]

As part of the First Chinese Spring Offensive, the Chinese 44th Division attacked the US 65th Infantry Regiment of the US 3rd Infantry Division near Yeoncheon on the night of April 22.[4] The Filipino 10th BCT, part of the 65th Infantry Regiment,[2] was soon trapped at the Yultong area by 23:00.[6] Although the 10th BCT had lost all contacts with the outside world, the Filipinos held their position until the Chinese stopped their attacks on the morning of April 23.[6] The 10th BCT's action at Yultong allowed the US 3rd Infantry Division to successfully withdraw from the battlefield.[6]

PHILIPPINES
12 killed
38 wounded
6 missing[5]

CHINA
500 killed
2 captured[5]

land wars are fought differently than on water. Can't dig foxhole on water huh?..

ummm..i need a "pawn" to sacrifice..gonna be checkmate in three...:ohno:

RE: Bananas, the crazy bananas.

I don't want to read too skeptically into this, and I hope it sure is a special case/incident, but you know that there are other issues and baggages riding into this (other than the claimed pests) when you don't hear complaints from the Japanese side, and you get it from China. So really, China now calls out the shots when it comes to quality of FOOD IMPORTS over Japan? I mean, really?

We can make pacute with Australia....a deal that we buy more of their dairy and they lift the ban on our bananas

del

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/54145000/gif/_54145268__48951920_south_china-sea_1_466-1.gif
Source:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18015538

^^ Can you just post that in the Economy thread? This is a defense thread :D

Maybe, you could post statistics on Chinese military :D

dp

China is so powerful it can take over its own bank. :lol:

China is so powerful.....

Fed approves Chinese takeover of US bank
Agence France-Presse
Posted at 05/10/2012 9:52 AM | Updated as of 05/10/2012 12:47 PM

WASHINGTON - The United States on Wednesday opened its banking market to China's biggest bank ICBC, for the first time clearing a takeover of a US bank by a Chinese state-controlled company.

Just days after high-level US-China economic talks in Beijing, the Federal Reserve approved an application from Industrial and Commercial Bank of China to buy a majority stake in the US subsidiary of Bank of East Asia.

The transaction will make ICBC the first Chinese state-controlled bank to acquire retail bank branches in the United States.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/05/10/12/fed-approves-chinese-takeover-american-bank

They are not powerful. They are a Kili-Kili Power. If you admire them so much, Why don't u just wave the Chinese flag.

China is so powerful it cant even keep a blind man under arrest:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02205/Chen-Guangcheng_2205953b.jpg

If a blind man can escape Chinese detention, Chinese tourists can escape their government and come to Fun Philippines! :lol:

China is so powerful it cant even keep a blind man under arrest:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02205/Chen-Guangcheng_2205953b.jpg

If a blind man can escape Chinese detention, Chinese tourists can escape their government and come to Fun Philippines! :lol:

And they are not blind :lol::lol::lol:

They can go to Taiwan and sneak in through Batanes :lol::lol::lol::lol:

^^ Can you just post that in the Economy thread? This is a defense thread :D

Maybe, you could post statistics on Chinese military :D

Okay...I deleted the post. :)


xxxriainxxx: paki delete na lang yung comment mo at post ko about sa bangko sa usa. Salamat.

Okay...I deleted the post. :)


xxxriainxxx: paki delete na lang yung comment mo at post ko about sa bangko sa usa. Salamat.

done. ;)

They are not powerful. They are a Kili-Kili Power. If you admire them so much, Why don't u just wave the Chinese flag.

lol. Parang Japan lang nung 1980s. All-powerful, buying trophy properties in the US left and right. Look what happened to Japan in the 90/2000s. I am not saying China will go Japan's way, but I think it is normal for companies based in rising powers to buy assets overseas. Nothing to be alarmed. Why is this in the Defense Thread in the first place? :D

lol. Parang Japan lang nung 1980s. All-powerful, buying trophy properties in the US left and right. Look what happened to Japan in the 90/2000s. I am not saying China will go Japan's way, but I think it is normal for companies based in rising powers to buy assets overseas. Nothing to be alarmed. Why is this in the Defense Thread in the first place? :D

"fanboi"?:lol:

done. ;)

thanks. ;)

They are not powerful. They are a Kili-Kili Power. If you admire them so much, Why don't u just wave the Chinese flag.

I already deleted that....I can wave and burn any flag as I want. :ohno:

"fanboi"?:lol:

Being pro-business does not equate to being fanboi. I knew that it's off that's why I deleted the post.

Got this from Timawa (http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=31350.msg311161#msg311161)

Posted by: lennon0131

I talked to my TA again she told me the reason why the government had suspended the tours is because there is "frequent violent" demonstrations against the Chinese in the Philippines so they are telling to stop coming there because it is very dangerous for them to travel to our country. I just told her that it is ridiculous, good thing about her she is one of the few who are "enlightened" and with common sense Chinese.


http://www.skyscrapercity.com/customavatars/avatar59045_1.gif

^^ They're serious about that? Putting embargoes in this beloved nation of ours? Talagang noynoying lang takot na sila... :lol:

^^ They're serious about that? Putting embargoes in this beloved nation of ours? Talagang noynoying lang takot na sila... :lol:

Noynoying lang, panic mode na :lol::lol::lol: Kelangan pa talaga magsinungaling. :lol::lol::lol:

I think they are serious. It's all over the news :lol:

I heard from a friend living in China that PRC is sending 5 warship to the shoal, anyone have a scoop on this one?

I heard from a friend living in China that PRC is sending 5 warship to the shoal, anyone have a scoop on this one?

I think LuckyLady mentioned something about a Chinese warship near Okinawa

We need to get CNN and BBC and MSNBC, Fox News over here

I think LuckyLady mentioned something about a Chinese warship near Okinawa

We need to get CNN and BBC and MSNBC, Fox News over here

I'm not sure with CNN... because they have their office in Hong Kong... I think Fox as well

I'm not sure with CNN... because they have their office in Hong Kong... I think Fox as well

There is CNN Asia, but there is CNN in the US and FOx too ;)

But then, I guess our best guest is BBC then? Or are they in HK too?

CNA is a good start. At least it's in Singapore :D

BBC is in SG. ;)

post Away Folks :cheers:

What is Uncle Sam’s Asia-Pacific strategy? (California)
Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:23:24 AM



IN AN UNEXPECTED - but not surprising turn of events - in the Scarborough Shoal territorial dispute between the Philippines and China, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at a press conference last April 30 in Washington DC announced that the United States is maintaining a “neutral stand” in their dispute. However, in an attempt to downplay the effect of the Obama administration’s hands-off policy, Clinton said: “While we do not take sides in the competing sovereignty claims to land features in the South China Sea, as a Pacific power we have a national interest in freedom of navigation, the maintenance of peace and stability, respect for international law, and the unimpeded, lawful commerce across our sea lanes.”

For the first time, Uncle Sam made it crystal clear that the “little brown brother” is on his own in the territorial dispute with China over a shoal in the middle of the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea). It seems that Uncle Sam doesn’t see any strategic or economic value in a group of islets and rocks that is submerged in high tide.

However, to allay the Philippines’ fear of Chinese encroachment, Clinton said, “The US supports a collaborative diplomatic process by all those involved for resolving the various disputes that they encounter. We oppose the threat or use of force by any party to advance its claims. And we will remain in close contact with our ally, the Philippines.”

Mutual defense treaty

In my article, “Scarborough Incident” (April 26, 2012), I wrote: “In my opinion, the only time that the U.S. would intervene is when her national interests are threatened. And for as long as China doesn’t block the shipping lanes in the South China Sea or prevent any country from exploring for oil or natural gas in the South China Sea, the U.S. would not intervene in any territorial dispute between China and the Philippines over Scarborough Shoal or the Spratlys. Who cares who owns these little islands as long as the waters around them are open to exploration… or exploitation?”

Well, what else could Clinton say knowing full well that in the event of an armed conflict between the Philippines and China, the U.S. would not be able to send the Marines and deploy them on Philippine territory because the Philippine Constitution prohibits the stationing of foreign military forces on its territory. But what would the self-proclaimed “nationalists” do if U.S. military forces arrived?

In this situation the “nationalists” might just swallow their “national pride” lest China would claim our country for the second time in history. It must be remembered that in early 1400s, China established a colonial government in Lingayen in the province of Pangasinan and proclaimed the entire island of Luzon as her territory. However, during that short time China ruled Luzon, she didn’t have any control beyond Pangasinan.

Chinese intrusion

In my article, “What if China attacked the Spratlys?” (July 13, 2011), I wrote: “By just looking at the two countries’ military forces, there is no way the Philippines could survive a Chinese attack. The Philippine Navy has one World War II-vintage frigate and an Air Force that consists mainly of helicopters and no jet fighters. In a matter of days the entire Spratly archipelago could be in the possession of China — without firing a single shot!

“The only thing that is deterring China – momentarily — from attacking the Spratlys is the US-Philippine Mutual Defense Treaty, on the presumption that the US would come to the aid of the Philippines if the latter invoked the Mutual Defense Treaty. But that is a big ‘IF’ because President Barack Obama would have difficulty in convincing Congress and the American people to go to war in the South China Sea while the US is still embroiled in wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya… unless her national interests and security are threatened.”

With the war in Iraq and the revolution in Libya over, Obama has set the timetable for the withdrawal of American combat troops from Afghanistan by the end of 2014. However, he signed an agreement with Afghan President Hamid Karzai to maintain American military presence in Afghanistan for 10 more years after the combat troops have gone home. Interestingly, his announcement followed Clinton’s pronouncement of U.S. “neutrality” in the Scarborough Shoal dispute. Was it a coincidence or part of a grand plan?

With the recent agreement between the U.S. and Japan to relocate 9,000 U.S. Marines stationed in Okinawa to other bases in Western Pacific, does it seem that the U.S. is downsizing its military presence in Asia-Pacific? I don’t think so. On the contrary, the Obama administration is establishing alliances with other nations in South Asia and South East Asia to contain a rising China, which has become more assertive – and aggressive – in trying to control the oil-rich South China Sea. In 2010, China claimed the entire South China Sea as one of her “core national interests” just like Tibet and Taiwan.

New American geostrategy

In November 2011, U.S. and Australia announced the expansion of American military presence in Australia with the initial deployment of 2,500 combat-ready marines in Darwin, Australia, which is strategically located in the Timor Sea. The U.S. will also station warplanes in airbases in Northern Territory and warships including submarines at the HMAS Stirling naval base in Western Australia.

In addition, U.S. would eventually station military aircraft including Global Hawk spy drones in the Cocos Islands in the Indian Ocean, which is a territory of Australia. These unmanned high-altitude “Spy in the Sky” drones could cover the troublesome South China Sea where six countries (China, Taiwan, Brunei, Malaysia, Vietnam, and the Philippines) are claiming the oil-rich Spratly archipelago.

The Cocos Islands would provide a closer presence to the South China Sea than the British-owned Diego Garcia Island, which is 1,478 nautical miles farther west in the Indian Ocean. The lease of the U.S. base at Diego Garcia is due to expire in 2016. The U.S. would then close the base and move the operations to Cocos Islands, which is 1,992 nautical miles west of Darwin.

The strategic location of the Cocos Islands – also known as Keeling Islands -- is crucial because of its proximity to three shipping lanes: Strait of Hormuz, Strait of Malacca, and the Timor Sea. With the ability of the U.S. to control these choke points, Chinese ships could be blocked from transporting oil from the Middle East where more than 50% of her foreign oil comes from.

With China’s dependence on foreign oil, her strategic oil reserves will be depleted in less than 30 days if war with the U.S. breaks out.

It’s all about oil

It is interesting to note that in the past several years, state-owned Chinese oil companies have been buying stocks from oil fields in Australia. It seems that China is looking at Australia as a major source for oil. If China starts getting Australian oil, her dependence on Middle East oil will decrease. Makes one wonder if the expansion of U.S. military presence in Australia might have any bearing on China’s infusion of investment capital into Australia’s oil industry?

Today’s geopolitics is like a game of chess. A chess grand master doesn’t win by chance or luck; he wins by planning his moves in advance and executing them cunningly. Could it be that Uncle Sam is going to sacrifice Scarborough Shoal in his opening gambit to checkmate China

http://www.mindanaoexaminer.com/news.php?news_id

US pledged to protect PH from attacks in South China Sea, says Gazmin
Interaksyon
http://www.interaksyon.com/article/31480/us-pledged-to-protect-ph-from-attacks-in-south-china-sea-says-gazmin

The Philippines said Wednesday the United States had pledged to protect it from attacks in the South China Sea, a day after China issued a warning over a territorial row in the waters.

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said he had received the assurances during talks in Washington last week in which the Philippines' increasingly tense dispute with China over rival claims to a shoal in the sea were discussed.

Gazmin said US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta stressed they were not taking sides in the dispute, but they assured the Philippines the United States would honor a 1951 mutual defence treaty.

"It includes armed attack... on island territories in the Pacific region," Gazmin said, citing conditions for the allies coming to each other's aid.

In answer to a question about the dispute with China over Scarborough Shoal, Gazmin said he had interpreted remarks by Clinton to mean the United States would protect the Philippines from any attack in the South China Sea.

"Overall, with these statements, they cover our problem in the West Philippine Sea," he said, using the Philippine name for the waters.

China and the Philippines have had vessels stationed at Scarborough Shoal for more than a month in an effort to assert their sovereignty over the area.

China claims virtually all of the South China Sea as its own, even waters close to the coasts of other Asian countries.

The Philippines insists it has sovereignty over the shoal because it falls within its 200-nautical-mile exclusive economic zone.

The shoal sits about 230 kilometres (140 miles) from the Philippines' main island of Luzon and 1,200 kilometres northwest from the nearest major Chinese land mass, according to Filipino navy maps.

Taiwan, Brunei, Vietnam and Malaysia also claim parts of the South China, which is believed to sit atop vast oil and gas resources, making the area one of Asia's potential military flashpoints.

China warned on Tuesday it was prepared for "any escalation" in the dispute with the Philippines, which followed an editorial in a newspaper run by the ruling Communist Party calling for a small-scale war to end the stand-off.

Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario also issued a statement on Wednesday saying that Clinton and Panetta had reaffirmed during the Washington talks US commitment to the mutual defence treaty with the Philippines.

DFA chief enumerates U.S. commitments to PH in case China attacks Filipino forces in Spratlys
Interaksyon
http://www.interaksyon.com/article/31528/dfa-chief-enumerates-u-s--commitments-to-ph-in-case-china-attacks-filipino-forces-in-spratlys

MANILA, Philippines - Amid the the territorial dispute in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea) between the Philippines and China, Department of Foreign Affairs Albert F. del Rosario issued a statement enumerating the commitments made by the United States under its 61-year-old Mutual Defense Treaty (MDT) with the Philippines in case the latter is attacked by Chinese forces.

Signed on August 30, 1951, the MDT contains eight articles on how the two countries will support each other if either of them would be attacked by an external party.

Del Rosario stressed that, even in the absence of an actual armed attack against either the Philippines and the US, the MDT provides that the Philippines and the US will consult together from time to time regarding the implementation of the treaty and whenever in the opinion of either of them the territorial integrity, political independence or security of either of the parties is threatened by external armed attack in the Pacific.

1. The Philippines and the United States entered into a Mutual Defense Treaty (MDT) on August 30, 1951, in Washington, D.C.

2. As stated in the MDT’s preamble, both the Philippines and the US desire to publicly declare, through the MDT, their sense of unity and common determination to defend themselves against external armed attack, so that no potential aggressor could be under the illusion that either of them stands alone in the Pacific Area. (Refer to the third paragraph of the MDT’s preamble.)

3. Article IV of the MDT states: “Each party recognizes that an armed attack in the Pacific area on either of the parties would be dangerous to its own peace and safety and declares that it would act to meet the common dangers in accordance with its constitutional processes.”

4. Article V of the MDT further provides that “an armed attack on either of the parties is deemed to include an armed attack on:
a. The metropolitan territory of either of the parties, or
b. On the island territories under its jurisdiction in the Pacific Ocean, and
c. Its armed forces, public vessels or aircraft in the Pacific.”

5. On Jan. 6, 1979, US Secretary of State Cyrus Vance in his letter to Foreign Secretary Carlos P. Romulo, cited Article V of the MDT and stated that “… as provided in Article V, an attack on Philippine armed forces, public vessels or aircraft in the Pacific would not have to occur within the metropolitan territory of the Philippines or island territories under its jurisdiction in the Pacific in order to come within the definition of Pacific area in Article V” (underscoring supplied).

6. On May 24, 1999, US Ambassador to the Philippines Thomas C. Hubbard wrote a letter to Foreign Secretary Domingo L. Siazon affirming that “the US government stands by its statements in the Vance-Romulo letter of Jan. 6, 1979.” Moreover, in the same letter, Ambassador Hubbard cited US Defense Secretary William Cohen’s statement that “the US considers the South China Sea to be part of the Pacific Area” (underscoring supplied).

7. On June 23, 2011, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton reaffirmed to Foreign Secretary Albert F. del Rosario during their meeting in Washington, D.C., that the US “will honor its treaty obligations to the Philippines.”

8. In her remarks to the media after the said meeting, Clinton declared: “The Philippines and the United States are longstanding allies, and we are committed to honoring our mutual obligation.”

9. During the question-and-answer session in the same media event, Clinton was asked by a correspondent from ABS-CBN this question: “What will America do if China attacks Filipino forces in the Spratly Islands?” Clinton’s reply was: “Well, as to your first question, the United States honors our Mutual Defense Treaty and our strategic alliance with the Philippines. I’m not going to discuss hypothetical events, but I want to underscore our commitment to the defense of the Philippines.” (Source: “Remarks with Philippines Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario After Their Meeting,” Washington, D.C., June 23, 2011)

10. On Nov. 16, 2011, Clinton and Del Rosario signed the Manila Declaration which states: “The Republic of the Philippines and the United States today reaffirm our shared obligations under the Mutual Defense Treaty.” (Source: “Manila Declaration on US-Philippine Alliance,” Nov. 16, 2011)11. On April 30, 2012, during the 2+2 meeting in Washington, D.C., Clinton reiterated that the US “reaffirms our commitment and obligations under the mutual defense treaty.” (Source: “Remarks during Press Availability,” State Department, Washington, D.C., April 30, 2012)

12. As additional information, under the US Constitution, the US president as commander in chief may commit US armed forces into action overseas although the US president is obliged to notify the US Congress within 48 hours of such action, as provided for under the US War Powers Resolution of 1973. The same resolution requires that such commitment of US armed forces could not go beyond 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without US congressional authorization. This means that a US congressional authorization is needed only if the engagement of US armed forces abroad would go beyond 60 days.

13. It is important to note that, even in the absence of an actual armed attack against either the Philippines and the US, Article III of the MDT provides that the Philippines and the US, “through their foreign ministers or their deputies, will consult together from time to time regarding the implementation of this treaty and whenever in the opinion of either of them the territorial integrity, political independence or security of either of the parties is threatened by external armed attack in the Pacific” (underscoring supplied).

14. The recently concluded 2+2 meeting, at the ministerial level, is a new mechanism for such high-level consultations.

Philippines now eyeing bilateral approach to resolve standoff - DFA chief
InterAksyon.com
http://www.interaksyon.com/article/31538/philippines-now-eyeing-bilateral-approach-to-resolve-standoff---dfa-chief

After insisting on a multi-lateral approach to resolving the standoff at Scarborough (Panatag) Shoal, the Philippines is now exploring the bilateral track in an attempt to ease the increasing tension there.

Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario on Wednesday night confirmed the “new diplomatic initiative to defuse the tensions in the Scarborough Shoal” announced earlier that day by DFA spokesman Raul Hernandez.

This initiative was raised shortly after Beijing warned that it is ready to respond to the escalating tensions at Scarborough and repeated its request for the Philippines to pull out its ships from the area.

Pressed about this shift in approach, del Rosario said the Philippines has continued to talk with China about the issue, and that this is part of the “political track” that the Philippines has been following together with its “legal track” of putting the issue before the International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea for resolution.

“We have been talking to them, haven’t we? We are undertaking many tracks. Remember, this is part of the diplomatic and political track,” del Rosario told reporters in a quick interview at the Europe Day reception at the Mandarin Hotel.

But in previous occasions, the department has tried to resolve the issue through an independent third party like ITLOS.

It has also called on its neighbors and fellow members of ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) for support in its protests against incursions into Philippine territory by the world's second biggest economy.

Asked if the new initiative will involve his Chinese counterpart in China, he said: “Just wait for an announcement.”

Pressed on the possibility that China will cut back on its aid, particularly on joint projects like the much-delayed, corruption-laden North Rail construction, the DFA chief said, “there is development in that area.”

Hernandez said the Philippines is still pursuing the legal track.

"That (ITLOS) is a legal track. That is part of how we are dealing with the issue in the West Philippine Sea. The legal track is still there. We have not changed our position on that," he said.

"The plan to go to ITLOS with or without China is still there and we are undertaking all the necessary preparations for that," he added.

IDK ha, but I don't think our DFA should be discussing that in public. The CCP can twist anything they say and use it against us. Sana quiet muna sa kuwentuhan kay Papa Sugar :lol:

Philippines now eyeing bilateral approach to resolve standoff - DFA chief
InterAksyon.com
http://www.interaksyon.com/article/31538/philippines-now-eyeing-bilateral-approach-to-resolve-standoff---dfa-chief

After insisting on a multi-lateral approach to resolving the standoff at Scarborough (Panatag) Shoal, the Philippines is now exploring the bilateral track in an attempt to ease the increasing tension there.

Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario on Wednesday night confirmed the “new diplomatic initiative to defuse the tensions in the Scarborough Shoal” announced earlier that day by DFA spokesman Raul Hernandez.

This initiative was raised shortly after Beijing warned that it is ready to respond to the escalating tensions at Scarborough and repeated its request for the Philippines to pull out its ships from the area.

Pressed about this shift in approach, del Rosario said the Philippines has continued to talk with China about the issue, and that this is part of the “political track” that the Philippines has been following together with its “legal track” of putting the issue before the International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea for resolution.

“We have been talking to them, haven’t we? We are undertaking many tracks. Remember, this is part of the diplomatic and political track,” del Rosario told reporters in a quick interview at the Europe Day reception at the Mandarin Hotel.

But in previous occasions, the department has tried to resolve the issue through an independent third party like ITLOS.

It has also called on its neighbors and fellow members of ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) for support in its protests against incursions into Philippine territory by the world's second biggest economy.

Asked if the new initiative will involve his Chinese counterpart in China, he said: “Just wait for an announcement.”

Pressed on the possibility that China will cut back on its aid, particularly on joint projects like the much-delayed, corruption-laden North Rail construction, the DFA chief said, “there is development in that area.”

Hernandez said the Philippines is still pursuing the legal track.

"That (ITLOS) is a legal track. That is part of how we are dealing with the issue in the West Philippine Sea. The legal track is still there. We have not changed our position on that," he said.

"The plan to go to ITLOS with or without China is still there and we are undertaking all the necessary preparations for that," he added.

Is it not quite contradictory to say they will pursue the case in ITLOS (international arbitration - China does not want) and say that they are considering bilateral talks?

Just new... but it's time for FORUM NO. 21!

Prepare for war
Manila Times
http://www.manilatimes.net/index.php/news/top-stories/22594-prepare-for-war

THE Senate on Wednesday urged the government to prepare for a possible military confrontation with China and to start buying weapons with which to defend the country in case the standoff at the Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal escalates.

“We must prepare. We better buy war equipment. We better buy our weapons, our means of defense,” Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile, a former defense minister, said.

The Senate chief issued the call after Chinese vice foreign minister Fu Ying accused the Philippines of escalating tensions at the contested shoal.

Sen. Gregorio Honasan, a former military official, supported Enrile’s call, saying that the Philippines should strengthen its military if it has the resources.

“Tama si Senate president, alamin muna natin kung meron tayong pambili, importante yun [The Senate President is correct but we should first determine if we have the resources to buy those weapons, that is important],” Honasan said.

He also urged the government to start determining which of the country’s allies are willing to provide assistance in case the situation worsens.

China has sent more ships to Panatag Shoal after warning the Philippines not to bring the dispute before an international court.

The Philippines also has a Coast Guard ship in the area, as well as several fishing vessels.

US to help

The Philippines said Wednesday that the United States had pledged to protect it from attacks in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea), a day after China issued a warning over a territorial row in the waters.

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said that the US had pledged to protect the Philippines from attacks in the West Philippine Sea.

Gazmin said that during high-level talks in Washington, D.C. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta stressed that they were not taking sides in the dispute, but they assured the Philippines that the Washingto would honor a 1951 mutual defense treaty.

“It includes armed attack. . . on island territories in the Pacific region,” Gazmin said, citing conditions for the allies coming to each other’s aid.

In answer to a question about the dispute with China over Scarborough Shoal, Gazmin said that he had interpreted remarks by Clinton to mean that the US would protect the Philippines from any attack in the West Philippine Sea.

China claims virtually all of the West Philippine Sea, even waters close to the coasts of other Asian countries.

China warned on Tuesday that it was prepared for “any escalation” in the dispute with the Philippines, which followed an editorial in a newspaper run by the ruling Communist Party calling for a small-scale war to end the stand-off.

Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario also issued a statement on Wednesday saying that Clinton and Panetta had reaffirmed the US commitment to the mutual defense treaty with the Philippines.

Del Rosario clarified that under the US Constitution, “the US President as Commander-in-Chief may commit US armed forces into action overseas although the US president is obliged to notify the US Congress within 48 hours of such action, as provided for under the US War Powers Resolution of 1973. The same Resolution requires that such commitment of US armed forces could not go beyond 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without US congressional authorization.”

He explained that this means that a US congressional authorization is needed only if the engagement of US armed forces abroad would go beyond 60 days.

“It is important to note that, even in the absence of an actual armed attack against either the Philippines and the US, Article III of the MDT provides that the Philippines and the US, “through their Foreign Ministers or their deputies, will consult together from time to time regarding the implementation of this Treaty and whenever in the opinion of either of them the territorial integrity, political independence or security of either of the Parties is threatened by external armed attack in the Pacific,” the DFA head said.

He added that the recently concluded Two Plus Two meeting is a new mechanism for such high-level consultations.



Peace not war
Journal online
http://www.journal.com.ph/index.php/news/top-stories/29619-peace-not-war

MALACAÑANG said the Department of Foreign Affairs is “endeavoring to undertake a new diplomatic initiative” in connection with the Philippines’ territorial standoff with China even as it vowed to pursue a peaceful solution to the conflict.

Deputy Presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte said the Philippine government will not be provoked by persistent presence of Chinese vessels at Panatag Scarborough) shoal, and Chinese declaration of readiness for war in the region, stressing that the “diplomatic initiative is envisioned to help diffuse the situation.”

The Palace was reacting to warnings issued by the Chinese embassy that China is ready to respond to any escalation over the disputed area.

China's foreign ministry released a statement earlier Tuesday in which vice foreign minister Fu Ying accused the Philippines of being responsible for escalating tensions over the disputed area in the South China Sea (also called West Philippine Sea).

"The Chinese side has... made all preparations to respond to any escalation of the situation by the Philippine side," Fu told a Philippine diplomat on Monday, according to the statement.

The conflict began a month ago when Chinese vessels blocked a Philippine warship from arresting crews of Chinese fishing boats near the Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal in the South China Sea.

Since then, the two countries have maintained ships in the shoal in an effort to assert their sovereignty.

Malacañang insisted that the shoal is well within the country's 200-nautical-mile exclusive economic zone, as recognized by international law.

But China claims almost the whole of the South China Sea as its historical territory, even waters close to other countries' coasts and hundreds of kilometers from its own landmass.

So far, military officials said that seven Chinese fishing vessels and 23 other utility boats remain at the shoal as of Sunday.

The seven fishing vessels include two maritime surveillance vessels and a fisheries law enforcement command (FLEC) ship, it was learned.

The Philippine vessels, one from the Philippine Coast Guard and another from the Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources, continue to patrol the area.

It was recently reported that Chinese ships were preventing Filipino fishermen from entering the shoal.

Baka kelangan ulet nung may babaeng hubad na may plaka "make love not war" :lol:

Compulsory Military Conscription, Korea-like, anyone?

Compulsory Military Conscription, Korea-like, anyone?

Iyan or ibalik ang ROTC

Pero sa tingin ko mas okay ang conscription :lol: Pero masokay kung Israel-like. Boy girl bakla tomboy :lol:

^^ Hindi hadlang ang pagiging bakla sa pagnanasang maprotektahan ang bayan.

But going back to this question I posed in the Economy thread, bakit tayo? Russia is the nearest neighbor with a lot of natural resources... Why not them :D

Philippines now eyeing bilateral approach to resolve standoff - DFA chief
InterAksyon.com
http://www.interaksyon.com/article/31538/philippines-now-eyeing-bilateral-approach-to-resolve-standoff---dfa-chief

After insisting on a multi-lateral approach to resolving the standoff at Scarborough (Panatag) Shoal, the Philippines is now exploring the bilateral track in an attempt to ease the increasing tension there.

Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario on Wednesday night confirmed the “new diplomatic initiative to defuse the tensions in the Scarborough Shoal” announced earlier that day by DFA spokesman Raul Hernandez.

This initiative was raised shortly after Beijing warned that it is ready to respond to the escalating tensions at Scarborough and repeated its request for the Philippines to pull out its ships from the area.

Pressed about this shift in approach, del Rosario said the Philippines has continued to talk with China about the issue, and that this is part of the “political track” that the Philippines has been following together with its “legal track” of putting the issue before the International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea for resolution.

“We have been talking to them, haven’t we? We are undertaking many tracks. Remember, this is part of the diplomatic and political track,” del Rosario told reporters in a quick interview at the Europe Day reception at the Mandarin Hotel.

But in previous occasions, the department has tried to resolve the issue through an independent third party like ITLOS.

It has also called on its neighbors and fellow members of ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) for support in its protests against incursions into Philippine territory by the world's second biggest economy.

Asked if the new initiative will involve his Chinese counterpart in China, he said: “Just wait for an announcement.”

Pressed on the possibility that China will cut back on its aid, particularly on joint projects like the much-delayed, corruption-laden North Rail construction, the DFA chief said, “there is development in that area.”

Hernandez said the Philippines is still pursuing the legal track.

"That (ITLOS) is a legal track. That is part of how we are dealing with the issue in the West Philippine Sea. The legal track is still there. We have not changed our position on that," he said.

"The plan to go to ITLOS with or without China is still there and we are undertaking all the necessary preparations for that," he added.

Just a blink of an eye, a new Defense thread. So fast.

Whatever, as long as our economy is not hurt and PH will continue to rise in the world economically.

^^ Hindi hadlang ang pagiging bakla sa pagnanasang maprotektahan ang bayan.

But going back to this question I posed in the Economy thread, bakit tayo? Russia is the nearest neighbor with a lot of natural resources... Why not them :D

1. Takot sila (Remember the misuderstood Chip Tsao article)
2. Malamig sa Siberia :lol:

Breaking News!


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Wag kayo, baka mamaya totoong may lahing instik yan :lol::lol::lol:

Let's face it wala tayong laban against nuclear or even simple arms battle with China. Dapat noon pa lang nagdedevelop na tayo ng mga bacteria and virus. These should be our main weapons. Yung tipong isang saboy lang natin it will spread across because it needs human hosts. Marami na tayong napatay na intsik hindi pa environmentally destructive, di ba? :okay:

Let's face it wala tayong laban against nuclear or even simple arms battle with China. Dapat noon pa lang nagdedevelop na tayo ng mga bacteria and virus. These should be our main weapons. Yung tipong isang saboy lang natin it will spread across because it needs human hosts. Marami na tayong napatay na intsik hindi pa environmentally destructive, di ba? :okay:

Key Provisions of the Biological Weapons Convention

Article Provision
Article I Never under any circumstances to acquire or retain biological weapons.

Article II To destroy or divert to peaceful purposes biological weapons and associated resources prior to joining.

Article III Not to transfer, or in any way assist, encourage or induce anyone else to acquire or retain biological weapons.

Article IV To take any national measures necessary to implement the provisions of the BWC domestically.

Article V To consult bilaterally and multilaterally to solve any problems with the implemenation of the BWC.

Article VI To request the UN Security Council to investigate alleged breaches of the BWC and to comply with its subsequent decisions.

Article VII To assist States which have been exposed to a danger as a result of a violation of the BWC.

Article X To do all of the above in a way that encourages the peaceful uses of biological science and technology

http://www.unog.ch/80256EE600585943/%28httpPages%29/04FBBDD6315AC720C1257180004B1B2F?OpenDocument

^^ As if other countries follow that provisions. In war there is no rule.

^^ As if other countries follow that provisions. In war there is no rule.

Invalid. There are protocols. There is a rule of engagement unless you are NPA or MILF

BTW, there are bacterias and viruses that kills plants and harm the environment. Bananas are susceptible to viruses. Bacterias and viruses also evolve on their own and can become more destructive.

Eh yung mga t@e bombs nung informal settlers sa Parañaque, hindi ba pwede yun :lol:

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bilis ng Thread na to ngayon.

Trade and Public Anger Sharpening Beijing-Manila Spat

Published May 09, 2012
Associated Press

BEIJING – The monthlong standoff between China and the Philippines over a remote South China Sea shoal is snowballing with hints of economic retaliation and sharpening public opinion on both sides — possibly narrowing the space for a hoped-for negotiated settlement.

Beijing is suspending some tourism to the Philippines and ordered stiffened inspections on imported Philippine fruit such as bananas, of which China is the single largest buyer. That follows Beijing's summoning of Manila's charge d'affairs three times, while retired and serving military officers have called for a limited military operation to shore up China's credibility on the matter — a potentially explosive move that could trigger the 1951 U.S.-Philippine Mutual Defense Treaty.

The Philippines has registered its own diplomatic protests, with Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario cautioning foreign governments over what the Philippines perceives as China's looming threat to freedom of navigation.

Manila's Department of Foreign Affairs is preparing to bring the territorial rifts to international arbitration. The Philippines is also seeking to shore up its territorial claims with new warships, fighters jets and radars from the United States.

Actions by both nations are shrinking the room for maneuverability, but they are exacerbated by perceptions that Washington is backing what Chinese see as deliberate provocations by the Philippines, said Jonathan Holslag, a research fellow at the Institute for Contemporary China Studies at the University of Brussels.

"China can't give in, since that would be the same as backing down to American bullying," Holslag said.

China and the Philippines are among six claimants to waters and island groups in the South China Sea, which has heavily traveled maritime lanes, rich fishing grounds and a potential wealth of mineral resources.

The latest confrontation between Beijing and Manila began April 10 when the Philippine navy accused Chinese boats of fishing illegally around Scarborough Shoal, which Manila claims as part of its exclusive economic zone, but which Beijing insists has been Chinese for centuries.

Beijing's moves on tourism and fruit imports are a variation of unacknowledged economic pressure employed in past international disputes.

China International Travel Service, one of the country's largest, said it was suspending trips from Thursday based on safety considerations. Nationwide online agency Ctrip.com has also suspended trips, an agent said, citing "anti-China sentiments in that country right now." She said the company acted on its own without official orders.

The Shanghai Tourism Bureau had also ordered a suspension, according to staff with the Yiyou and Guojikuaixian travel agencies in the eastern financial hub.

None of the agents would give their names because of the sensitivity of the matter. Calls to China's national tourism administration rang unanswered Thursday.

The suspensions come as China's embassy in Manila issued a safety warning to its nationals in the Philippines over protests planned Saturday. Chinese tourists also make up about 9 percent of total arrivals to the Philippines, according to the Philippines Department of Tourism.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/09/trade-public-anger-sharpening-beijng-manila-spat/#ixzz1uSGjx9HB

back in 2011
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China recognizes Philippines sovereignty in the west philippine sea in 2011?



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:lol: lol at the last comment, i be seeing paid trolls use falkland islands as an excuse... against the UNCLOS
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http://news.yahoo.com/china-sends-more-ships-disputed-shoal-philippines-102448441.html

ano yun?:rofl:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=91204243&postcount=850

PH eyes third warship, this time from Italy (http://www.interaksyon.com/article/31446/ph-eyes-third-warship-this-time-from-italy)
09-May-12, 12:41 PM | Abigail Kwok, InterAksyon.com


MANILA, Philippines - The Philippines is looking to acquire a third warship from Italy after it acquired two from the United States, Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin revealed on Wednesday.

"We are not totally relying on the US. Yes, we are looking at Europe, we're looking specifically at Italy," Gazmin said.

The BRP Gregorio del Pilar, the first warship, was acquired by the Philippines from the US Coast Guard last year.

The second may arrive in November, Gazmin said. He said he asked US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta that the US restore the weapons stripped from the first ship and turn over the second with all its armaments intact.

It will be the Italian Soldati class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupo_class_frigate#Possible_Transfer.2FSale) patrol frigate armed with anti-ship and air defense missiles but no anti-submarine weapons therefore China can still sink it with their stealthy submarines!

okay. so we're not after F-16s anymore. what do we want this time?

The PAF was given an option to buy fighter jets from Italy (AMX), France (Mirage), United Kingdom, and South Korea. I wonder why Israel (KFIR C10) and Canada (CF-18) were not included.

Papa Sam :D

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CLOSE THE THREAD NOW!

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Papa Sam might help my motherland philippines. :D

kung war nato dapat i diploy na ang MILF, MNLF, Abu Sayaff at NPA :lol:

can we make light armor vehicles tanks/boats? in subic?

CLOSE THE THREAD NOW!

But why? Use the report button if you want to request for it. :ohno:

Papa Sam :D

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May parating na US carrier battle group sa Pilipinas?

can we make light armor vehicles tanks/boats? in subic?

we now have two Defense Forces thread? If am not mistaken, only Mod Hakz2007 can open and archive this thread.

bat pa kasi hinde pa mga american and western companies ang mga contractor na kinuha nila para naman dlang basta ganyan gagawin ng mga ungas na commies,..

Yes, just check with the statistical reports from NSCB.

http://www8.gmanews.tv/webpics/v3/2012/02/2011exportsgrowthmarkets.jpg


Japan, Taiwan, Thailand and China were among the country's top 10 markets and all four posted significant increases in export growth rates while other markets in the top 10 recorded declines.

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/248600/economy/business/after-lean-2011-bright-economic-forecast-and-rosy-signs-for-12

I am more concerned on the job losses of the Filipinos who are working
in factories/manufacturing industry whose products are exported to China.

If the State can guarantee that the families of thousands of Filipinos
will not go hungry, then fine with me.

That is on what they declare. Try searching the word SMUGGLING and you will know what i mean. Chinese are very good in corrupting the mind of those that are in the position to take gain or capitalize or make anything to their advantage. When it comes to computations, probability, and statistics, they are one of the best. They are bribe masters. They will make friends with you or make friends with someone that know someone. A good examples are the shipments being seized at customs. They declare it as shits but worth more than shits. The streets will tell you more than what the tabloids and broadsheets will tell you.

I say, let us challenge the trades between Manila and Beijing. Before, in Divisoria where a lot Chinese products are rampant nowadays, products from Bangkok and Hong Kong (when they are still under Britain) rule the streets of Divisoria. Why i know it? Because we are just streets away or just a walking distance from Divisoria.

May philippine economy thread naman na puedeng ipost yan :lol:

Old news na yang banana war waged by China.


Pasisindak tayo?

If they do not import our banana, then the price of their banana will go up. It will not be easy for them to import from Latin America since the shipping time is longer and most go to the US and Europe.

I remember in one of ABS-CBN noon time show (i think its HYY), one group of contestants were Arabs. Jokes are being thrown and one of the host crack a joke about lowering the price of oil in the market, and then one of the Arabs reply by saying lower the price of your bananas too. Oh wait, we can divert our bananas to the Arabs. :)

But why? Use the report button if you want to request for it. :ohno:



May parating na US carrier battle group sa Pilipinas?


Kung meron, for sure puro Fil-Ams ang crew nyan.

I heard from a friend living in China that PRC is sending 5 warship to the shoal, anyone have a scoop on this one?

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=31&art_id=122294&sid=36344113&con_type=3

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2012/05/10/2003532432

i just watch ANC awhile ago and they said CHinese embassy or the foreign affairs dept of china issued a warning for there citizens in the philippines, so now China is flexing the economic impact on us, from export to tourism... they shift the war to economy after they discover that we can take a stand on the sea...

:lol::lol::lol: take a stand on the sea :lol::lol::lol:

take a swim on the sea:lol:

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/31562/govt-must-raise-alert-on-smuggling-of-dead-baby-pills-into-ph--villar

Gov't must raise alert on smuggling of 'dead baby pills' into PH – Villar
10-May-12, 6:25 PM | Karl John C. Reyes, InterAksyon.com

InterAksyon.com
The online news portal of TV5

\MANILA, Philippines –Senator Manny Villar on Thursday urged government agencies to be on the lookout for the possible smuggling of “dead baby pills” from China, reportedly intercepted in South Korea recently.

“We are calling the attention of the Bureau of Customs (BOC), the Department of Health and Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) to be on guard on these products. We should not let these things enter our country,” Villar said at the hearing of the Senate economic and commerce committee on proposed amendments on the Cheaper Medicine Act.

The online news site The Nation (http://www.thenationonlineng.net) had said that thousands of pills filled with powdered human flesh were discovered by customs officials in South Korea, Daily Mail reported recently. The site said the capsules are in demand because they are viewed as a medicinal ‘cure-all’ and a libido booster.

The grim trade, according to The Nation, is being run from China where corrupt medical staff are said to be tipping off medical companies when babies are aborted or delivered still-born.

The tiny corpses are then bought, stored in household refrigerators in the homes of syndicate members, and later taken to clinics that use medical drying microwaves. Once the skin is tinder dry, it is ground into powder and then processed into capsules along with herbs, to disguise the true ingredients from health investigators and customs officers.

The discoveries since last August have shocked even hardened customs agents (in South Korea) who have pledged to strengthen inspections, the site added. Health officials in Korea are alarmed because of the presence of “super bacteria” in the flesh of the deceased.

I remember in one of ABS-CBN noon time show (i think its HYY), one group of contestants were Arabs. Jokes are being thrown and one of the host crack a joke about lowering the price of oil in the market, and then one of the Arabs reply by saying lower the price of your bananas too. Oh wait, we can divert our bananas to the Arabs. :)

Ano daw, they want our saging??? Kumareng anone --> totoo daw talaga yung male rape sa Saudi no? :lol::lol::lol::lol:

bat pa kasi hinde pa mga american and western companies ang mga contractor na kinuha nila para naman dlang basta ganyan gagawin ng mga ungas na commies,..

kaya nga nakapagtataka bakit lagi na lang mga commies yung mga contractor. it's like inviting the lion to eat you alive. alam na alam natin na may mga motibo ang tsikom pero mga ungas nating politiko sige pa rin ng sige. sbagay dami pala mga traidor sa atin kaya di na nakapagtataka.:ohno:

we now have two Defense Forces thread? If am not mistaken, only Mod Hakz2007 can open and archive this thread.

sobra na kasi sa 1000 post yung lumang thread. i think anyone can open the thread here.

ang mga traditional markets ng bananas ay middle east, iran, japan and recently korea at china,..itong china mahilig sa saba na saging, ugok talagang mga commies dba nila alam sa pinas lang tumutubo ang saba na saging????mga ungas!!!

bat pa kasi hinde pa mga american and western companies ang mga contractor na kinuha nila para naman dlang basta ganyan gagawin ng mga ungas na commies,..

Traydor si MVP! :bash:

^^ naku kung saba ang gusto nila, baka angkinin na din nila ang Mindoro. Sa likod ng bahay namin dun e ang laki ng sagingan na puro saba. hahaha.

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I guess you misunderstood his post. He meant close this thread because it's already beyond 1,000 posts. There's new thread for that. :)

Is it true that there are 5 fully armed Chinese naval vessels approaching NE of Batanes island as of yesterday? It was reported that a Japanese maritime surveillance aircraft spotted those naval vessels. And if true, what is their intention? To scare us? Heck, we will fight tooth and nail against these communist cowards!

Is it true that there are 5 fully armed Chinese naval vessels approaching NE of Batanes island as of yesterday? It was reported that a Japanese maritime surveillance aircraft spotted those naval vessels. And if true, what is their intention? To scare us? Heck, we will fight tooth and nail against these communist cowards!

in case you missed it.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2012/05/10/2003532432

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=31&art_id=122294&sid=36344113&con_type=3

in case you missed it.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2012/05/10/2003532432

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=31&art_id=122294&sid=36344113&con_type=3

http://www.taipeitimes.com/images/2012/05/10/thumbs/p01-120510-98.jpg

lalagyan nila ng China flag yung Benham Rise :lol:

The us can use the south in case china blocks the east. They do en route from aussie

Philippines now eyeing bilateral approach to resolve standoff - DFA chief
InterAksyon.com
http://www.interaksyon.com/article/31538/philippines-now-eyeing-bilateral-approach-to-resolve-standoff---dfa-chief

After insisting on a multi-lateral approach to resolving the standoff at Scarborough (Panatag) Shoal, the Philippines is now exploring the bilateral track in an attempt to ease the increasing tension there.

Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario on Wednesday night confirmed the “new diplomatic initiative to defuse the tensions in the Scarborough Shoal” announced earlier that day by DFA spokesman Raul Hernandez.

This initiative was raised shortly after Beijing warned that it is ready to respond to the escalating tensions at Scarborough and repeated its request for the Philippines to pull out its ships from the area.

Pressed about this shift in approach, del Rosario said the Philippines has continued to talk with China about the issue, and that this is part of the “political track” that the Philippines has been following together with its “legal track” of putting the issue before the International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea for resolution.

“We have been talking to them, haven’t we? We are undertaking many tracks. Remember, this is part of the diplomatic and political track,” del Rosario told reporters in a quick interview at the Europe Day reception at the Mandarin Hotel.

But in previous occasions, the department has tried to resolve the issue through an independent third party like ITLOS.

It has also called on its neighbors and fellow members of ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) for support in its protests against incursions into Philippine territory by the world's second biggest economy.

Asked if the new initiative will involve his Chinese counterpart in China, he said: “Just wait for an announcement.”

Pressed on the possibility that China will cut back on its aid, particularly on joint projects like the much-delayed, corruption-laden North Rail construction, the DFA chief said, “there is development in that area.”

Hernandez said the Philippines is still pursuing the legal track.

"That (ITLOS) is a legal track. That is part of how we are dealing with the issue in the West Philippine Sea. The legal track is still there. We have not changed our position on that," he said.

"The plan to go to ITLOS with or without China is still there and we are undertaking all the necessary preparations for that," he added.

Bilateral? I hope this does not mean we are considering those bilateral negotiations on disputed territories China wishes for.

Traydor si MVP! :bash:

Wag kang magulat. Maraming traydor sa Pinas. D2 lang nga forums natin maraming traydor tapos sila pa ang galit. Ang gagaling magkunwari.
Mr Grey made that observation a long time ago. Pero akala ko nun wala.

^^ Marami talagang traydor dito. Obvious naman sa mga posts nila.

MVP has long been a puppet of Salim Family. I admire though his business savvy and passion for creating jobs here in the country. I hope that his decision of siding with Chinese corporation is just a lapse in judgement. Anyway, Razon (one of his partners) is not in favor of it.

For all their yakking that we are dragging the US.... guess what is the other flag there? Hahahaha

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A protesters burns a Philippine flag and a U.S. flag during a protest outside the Philippines Consulate in Kong Hong Thursday, May 10, 2012. The monthlong standoff between China and the Philippines over a remote South China Sea shoal is snowballing with hints of economic retaliation and sharpening public opinion on both sides, possibly narrowing the space for a hoped-for negotiated settlement. (AP Photo/Vincent Yu)

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Let us show Filipinos are more civilized

The us can use the south in case china blocks the east. They do en route from aussie

problem is our allies like japan and south korea would be blocked if the tsikoms would position their warships there. this is the very reason why we need a permanent base somewhere in spratlys or in west philippine sea. if conflicts erupts there there would be a permanent force while we wait for backups.

problem is our allies like japan and south korea would be blocked if the tsikoms would position their warships there. this is the very reason why we need a permanent base somewhere in spratlys or in west philippine sea. if conflicts erupts there there would be a permanent force while we wait for backups.

Yes. But the US can take en route from Australia. Like how they invaded the Philippines in WW2 Guam -- Aussie -- Philippines

Anyhow, it is really nice to see known names of Tsinoys standing for us


http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/05/10/12/palace-says-anti-china-protests-not-sanctioned

MANILA, Philippines (UPDATE) - As the row over Scarborough Shoal threatens to spin out of control,
Malacañang said the protests set Friday against China in various Chinese embassies are the initiatives of private citizens and not sanctioned by the Philippine government.

"The protests are the initiatives of private citizens. Freedom of expression and peaceful assembly are enshrined in the constitution. We urge the participants to exercise their rights responsibly," Deputy Presidential Spokeswoman Abigail Valte said.

Presidential spokesperson Edwin Lacierda downplayed reports that China is bullying the Philippines by scrapping the country as a tourist destination and for imposing rigid inspection of Philippine fruit exports.

"The concern over our banana exports to China is a sanitary and phytosanitary issue, and the Department of Agriculture through the Bureau of Plant Industry is addressing this with its counterpart agency for quarantine in China," he said.

He said the agriculture and trade department, banana growers and the Philippine embassy in China are coordinating on this matter. "This is purely a technical matter, best addressed by the technical and regulatory agencies for both countries," he said.

Travel agencies suspend tours

Chinese travel agencies announced they had suspended tours to the Philippines, under government orders, and the embassy in Manila advised its nationals already in the country to stay indoors ahead of planned protests.

"Avoid going out at all if possible, and if not, to avoid going out alone. If you come across any demonstrations, leave the area, do not stay to watch," the embassy's advisory said.

The safety alerts came as government-controlled media in China warned the country was prepared to go to war to end the stand-off over Scarborough Shoal -- small islands in the South China Sea that both nations claim as their own.

"No matter how willing we are to discuss the issue, the current Philippine leadership is intent on pressing us into a corner where there is no other option left but the use of arms," the China Daily said in an editorial.

"Since ancient times, our nation has deemed war the last resort in handling state-to-state relations. But Manila is living in a fantasy world if it mistakes our forbearance for timidity."

The editorial echoed other warnings in recent weeks in the state-run media that China was prepared to use its massive military advantage to crush the Philippines' challenge for the shoal.

Rallies at Chinese embassies

A coalition of Filipino activist groups said it is planning to hold rallies at Chinese embassies around the world on Friday to support the Philippines in the sea dispute.

Organizers are hoping thousands of people will attend what they expect to be the biggest of the rallies, in Manila, and the Chinese embassy's safety alert was circulated chiefly to warn its nationals about that protest.

But Jackson Gan, a Filipino-Chinese businessman who is one the rally's organisers, said there was no need for such a warning because the protest would not target individuals and there had been no inciting of violence.

"This is going to be peaceful. No burning of Chinese flags, just singing of patriotic songs and making our presence felt," Gan told AFP.

DFA: Protests are part of democracy

The planned protests by Filipinos worldwide are part of democracy, a Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) official said Thursday.

DFA spokesman Raul Hernandez told ANC that protesters are only exercising their democratic right of freedom of expression.

He said the government does not have a hand in the planned May 11 protests.

"We hope that this would not aggravate the situation. We do not have control over Filipinos trying to express their opinion over what is happening over at Bajo de Masinloc or the Scarborough shoal," he said.

However, Hernandez urged protesters to avoid violence. "We are urging those who will participate in this to do so peacefully," he said.

PH safe for Chinese nationals

The DFA also said it is double-checking reports of a travel advisory issued by Beijing, warning its nationals against traveling to the Philippines and of Chinese travel agencies stopping tours to the country.

"We're trying to check the possibility of disinformation (travel advisory). As you know we are a safe and welcoming country,” Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario said.

Del Rosario said the government is even trying to encourage more Chinese tourists to come to the country through an initiative that will allow them to get visa on arrival in Manila.

He said this is one of the economic targets listed by both sides during President Aquino's last visit to China.

"We want to make it easier for them to come over. We did come up with economic targets during the President’s visit to China. China committed to helping us in terms of coming up with $30 billion in 2-way trade. There were commitments then. We don't see these off track,” he said.

On the reported cancellation of tours, del Rosario said, "We don't know that. We want to check whether (this is) disinformation. A lot of disinformation being circulated at this time. We're going to find out if it’s true. We don't have the facts and were not treating it as something we should be concerned about."

The foreign affairs chief also dismissed comments over Chinese media that the Philippines is part of their territory. "I’m very confident Beijing doesn’t want to be portrayed as being in an expansionist mode. I'm positive there will be a correction on this mistake.”

He said the government is exhausting all available means at dispute resolution.

China claims entire sea

The two nations have had non-military vessels stationed at the shoal since April 8 in an effort to assert their sovereignty to the area.

The dispute began when Philippine authorities detected Chinese ships fishing there. They attempted to arrest the crew, but were blocked by Chinese surveillance vessels that were quickly deployed to the area.

The shoal sits about 230 kilometers (140 miles) from the Philippines' main island of Luzon. The nearest major Chinese landmass is 1,200 kilometers northwest of the shoal, according to Filipino navy maps.

The Philippines insists its claims to the area are backed by international law, as the shoal is well within its 200-nautical-mile exclusive economic zone.

But China claims virtually all of the South China Sea as its territory, even waters close to the coasts of the Philippines and other Asian countries.

Taiwan, Brunei, Vietnam and Malaysia also claim parts of the sea, which is believed to sit atop vast oil and gas resources. The rival claims have for decades made the waters one of Asia's potential military flashpoints.

More than 70 Vietnamese sailors were killed in 1988 when China and Vietnam battled for control of the Spratlys, an archipelago south of Scarborough Shoal.

The Philippines, which admits to having an extremely weak and poorly resourced military, has repeatedly said it wants to solve the stand-off over the shoal through diplomatic means.

But it has also said it secured a pledge from the United States, its main military ally, to protect the Philippines from attacks in the South China Sea. With reports from RG Cruz and Willard Cheng, ABS-CBN News; and Agence France-Presse

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/-depth/05/10/12/hackers-join-may-11-protests-against-china

ANILA, Philippines (UPDATED) - Filipino hackers are joining the worldwide protests on May 11 against Chinese aggression in the West Philippine Sea.

Hackers groups that have been engaged in ti-for-tat attacks against Chinese websites are abuzz with activity for their own cyberprotest that will coincide with mass actions in the Philippines and in front of Chinese embassies and consulates worldwide.

An ABS-CBN News source confirmed Thursday that the focus of the cyberprotest is an alleged massive attack on Chinese government-owned websites, as well as other foreign websites to call international attention to China's bullying of the Philippines over ownership of Scarborough shoal.

"Anonymous #OccupyPhilippines," "PrivateX" and "Anonymous Butuan" are leading the cyberprotest.

"Ipunin nyo lang po mga hawak ninyo na .cn para sa 10 ng gabi or 11 sabay sabay nyo post dito....di po kami magdedeface sa araw na yun :) ibang approach gagawin daw namin dahil walang pakialam mga YmFiZDI5MjVmOWE1ZmU1NzU4NmJkMTAzNzRiZGVjYzY= haxors kahit pa ilan pa mahack sa kanilang .cn," the Facebook page administrator of Anonymous #OccupyPhilippines said.

Filipino hackers have also uploaded a video clip on YouTube about their May 11 cyberprotest.

Some of the foreign websites that have been defaced to tell other countries about China's intentions include:

http://www.videooteli.ru/
http://www.marketingt4.es/
http://www.srcu.es/
http://clinicaesteticaespacovida.com.br/
http://www.flexvidros.com.br/
http://blackhome.com.br/
http://www.geelongpartyhire.com.au/
http://www.redevent.com.au
http://rebelmoon.co.za/
http://www.fittedbedroomspecialist.co.uk/
http://www.2pc.cl/
http://www.credit-hero.co.uk/
http://www.beblemagnolie.it/
http://www.tegcare.co.uk/
http://www.pureblissyoga.ca/
http://www.ayrshirehotels.co.uk/
http://ioptimise4u.co.uk/
http://www.blindandshutterstore.co.uk/
http://iam-security.co.uk/
http://www.beblemagnolie.it/
http://yogareading.co.uk/
http://www.yidaki.fr/
http://roundupshindig.org/
http://www.otoczaki.org/
http://www.cfoncier.fr/
http://www.ventoux-saveurs.fr/
http://www.jonathanhadida.fr/
http://www.irisjolink.nl/
http://www.naturalsoul.nl/
http://www.flexvidros.com.br/

"We, Anonymous, never stopped doing what we do in support of protecting our country's territorial integrity. Many say that such acts are not helpful to the ongoing dispute happening in our shores. We are not dumb to know that defacing websites has nothing to do with the warships in Scarborough Shoal. Hence, our goal is to gather your attention and support. Not only those who are within our region. Not only to those who are
surrounding the shoal. We are doing this to let you know that this is a global situation," said the message posted on one website.

"We are not asking you to deface/DDOS China's websites. Nor root their servers. All you can do to help is simply grab the attention of other countries and international organizations," the message added.

"China's act of ignoring an international treaty is a grim action. They know that they cannot win the shoal through diplomatic channels. Their bullying tactics and abuse of power are proof that they are willing to do anything to claim Scarborough shoal," it said.

"Stand up against China's intrusion in the West Philippine Sea. It's happening in the Philippines. It may happen in your country too," it added.

The Philippine government earlier urged hackers not to attack Chinese websites to prevent the tension in the West Philippine Sea from escalating.

The Palace has also distanced itself from the May 11 protests against China.

"The protests are the initiatives of private citizens. Freedom of expression and peaceful assembly enshrined in the constitution. We urge the participants to exercise their rights responsibly," deputy Presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte said Thursday.

Pati non-Chinese website pinatulan nila... :lol:


We Anonymous never stopped doing what we do in support of protecting our country's territorial integrity.
Many say that such acts are not helpful to the ongoing dispute happening in our shores. We are not dumb to
know that defacing websites has nothing to do with the warships in Scarborough Shoal.Hence, our goal is to
gather your attention and Support. Not only those who are within our region. Not only to those who are
surrounding the shoal. We are doing this to let you know that this is a global situation.

We are not asking you to Deface / DDOS China's websites. Nor root their servers. All you can do
to help is simply grab the attention of other countries and International Organizations.

China's act of ignoring an international treaty is a grim action. They know that they cannot
win the shoal through diplomatic channels. Their bullying tactics and abuse of power are proofs
that they are willing to do anything to claim Scarborough shoal.

Stand up against China's intrusion in the West Philippine Sea.

It's happening in the Philippines. It may happen in your country too.

You've expected us. We now expect you. United as One, Divided by None

[] Anonymous Philippines []

China is testing Filipinos’ determination to defend against intrusion
(http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1510313&page=54)
The Chinese dragon’s hunger for black gold relates to its continuous growth as an economic powerhouse. China imports seventy percent of its oil needs – supplied mostly by Russia. Fearing the prospect of disruption of oil supplies and being hostage to the demands of supplier countries, China is recklessly embarking on grabbing the rich oil resources of the Philippines and it’s neighboring countries.

To justify its intrusion into the territories of neighboring countries, the dragon has engaged in spinning a fictitious tale on why it supposedly owns everything in the area. The fairy tale goes this way: “About 2000 years ago, an ancient Han Dynasty map showed the limits of Chinese territory
which included us owning all of the territory in the South China Sea (also known as West Philippine Sea). Therefore, all of these areas are ours. Never mind that they were designated by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea as belonging to other countries.”

Does China actually have a Han Dynasty map indicating ownership of everything in the South China Sea in this area? So far, it has not shown this map to the public. It may be that some kind of ancient map exists. There are hundreds of old maps. Do any of these say China owns territory belonging to the Philippines and other countries?

While the Chinese have been coming to the Philippines since ancient times as traders selling their stuff or as pirates like Limahong robbing and pillaging the locals – there is no historical proof that the Philippines was ever a colony of China or that China ruled the Philippines or even some parts of it.

Even if we assume that such a map exists indicating a claim by some dreaming Chinese officials that it owned Philippine territories, was that then actual or legal ownership? Not so if in fact no such ownership ever happened except maybe in the imagination of some ancient Han dynasty megalomaniacs.

To illustrate the absurdity of China’s claim: Let’s say Italy found an ancient map that shows that the Roman Empire owned most of Europe and some parts of Africa and Asia, can the Italian government now claim these countries and territories belong to them? Governments and national territorial lines keep changing. That’s a reality every nation has to live with.

The Chinese position is so ridiculous that I doubt that even the Chinese government seriously believes that they have a legitimate claim which can properly be defended in the United Nations International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea (ITLOS).

China’s refusal to bring her claim to ITLOS by itself indicates an admission of the absurdity of her position. Any fool can see that the Chinese government is just using a convenient fairy tale to justify her intrusion into neighbors’ territories in an attempt to grab their oil and other resources.

Recently, Chinese fishing boats and research vessels have been intruding deep into Philippine territory and into waters known as Scarborough Shoals which are just off Zambales.

Pursuant to the United Nations Law of the Sea, a country owns all of that territory within 200 miles from it’s baseline. The Scarborough Shoals are just about 125 miles off the coast of Zambales.

The Philippines issued a diplomatic protest to China but instead of respecting the Philippine position – the Chinese sent more fishing boats into the area including armed patrol boats – together with a response from China’s Deputy Foreign Minister Fu Ying that the Scarborough Shoals are theirs and that it is the Philippines intruding into Chinese territory. Adding the insult to the injury is like saying: “So? What can you do to me if I slap you in the face?”

What does this aggressive Chinese position mean?

Here’s my take on this: It means that China is testing the Philippines’ resolve and reaction to Chinese intrusion – as well as observing American response to the situation. China is not worried about the Philippines’ military capability. It practically has none compared to China’s mighty naval armada and air force. But the American military is no paper tiger. If America gets involved, China will likely reconsider its options.

The United States has a legitimate interest in preventing China from using bully tactics to take over the energy and marine resources of the countries in the area. It can enter into partnerships with the Philippines and other countries in the area for its own energy needs. Political stability and peace in the region are also preserved with the United States using its military might in maintaining the balance of power and keeping the sea lanes open.

Last year, on June 11, 2011, the US Senate passed a resolution condemning China’s increasing use of force against smaller countries in the area and affirmed the US’ willingness to use its military might against Chinese aggression.

For diplomatic and other reasons, the US has to announce that it cannot take sides in the conflict between the Philippines and China. However, American policy makers are aware that U.S. interests compel its continued alliance and goodwill with countries in the region. Standing by doing nothing while China gobbles up the resources of neighboring countries sets a bad precedent and encourages China to be bolder in carrying on more bullying military adventurisms.

It is unfortunate that the Chinese government is resorting to these gorilla tactics to rob smaller nations of their valuable energy and marine resources. While the global community should rightfully be happy for the people of China who went through so much suffering before the present prosperity – China should not pursue continuous economic well-being at the expense of weaker nations.

What should Filipinos do against the onslaught of China’s threat and use of military might?

It would not be prudent to confront China militarily. That would be like David confronting Goliath without his slingshot or like a poodle confronting a tiger. But there are other ways to fight.

Everyone knows that China’s intrusion into Philippine territory is motivated by its thirst for oil. Any decent human being knows that it is immoral to steal property that belongs to another especially when the use of force is involved. It is immoral when individuals do it. It is likewise immoral when nations do it.

What the Philippines needs to do is seek the support of other nations and press the United Nations to seek a resolution of this trespassing and stealing of resources issue. Alone, the Philippines is weak. But together with other nations in condemning China’s immoral attempts at territorial grab, the Philippines can be strong.

The world must be made aware of China’s immoral adventurism and of her attempt to steal the patrimony of other nations through threats or actual use of its military might. The Philippines must wage a relentless campaign with the global community in condemning China’s disrespect of other nations’ property rights. China must also realize that it gains more respect and friends by respecting other nations.

In line with this important objective of defending Philippine territory and resources, the US Pinoys for Good Governance (USP4GG) and supporters have organized a worldwide protest against Chinese intrusion into Philippine waters. On May 11, 2012, at 11:30 A.M., protest demonstrations will be held in front of different Chinese Embassies and Consulates around the world.

Now is the time for all good Filipinos to show genuine concern for the Philippines. Preserving the country’s energy and marine resources can mean a brighter future for millions of Filipinos.

Note: Atty. Laguatan is honored by the California State Bar as one of only 29 lawyers officially certified continuously for more than 20 years as an Expert-Specialist in Immigration Law. He also does accident, injury, wrongful death and complex litigation cases. Email laguatanlaw@gmail.comTel 650 991-1154 Address (San Francisco area): 455 Hickey Blvd. Suite 516, Daly City, Ca 94015

Some wise person actually told me

Flag burning is the highest order of flattery that one country can convey to another. It shows their impotence and futility against a greater opponent.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/-depth/05/10/12/hackers-join-may-11-protests-against-china

ANILA, Philippines (UPDATED) - Filipino hackers are joining the worldwide protests on May 11 against Chinese aggression in the West Philippine Sea.

Hackers groups that have been engaged in ti-for-tat attacks against Chinese websites are abuzz with activity for their own cyberprotest that will coincide with mass actions in the Philippines and in front of Chinese embassies and consulates worldwide.

An ABS-CBN News source confirmed Thursday that the focus of the cyberprotest is an alleged massive attack on Chinese government-owned websites, as well as other foreign websites to call international attention to China's bullying of the Philippines over ownership of Scarborough shoal.

"Anonymous #OccupyPhilippines," "PrivateX" and "Anonymous Butuan" are leading the cyberprotest.

"Ipunin nyo lang po mga hawak ninyo na .cn para sa 10 ng gabi or 11 sabay sabay nyo post dito....di po kami magdedeface sa araw na yun :) ibang approach gagawin daw namin dahil walang pakialam mga YmFiZDI5MjVmOWE1ZmU1NzU4NmJkMTAzNzRiZGVjYzY= haxors kahit pa ilan pa mahack sa kanilang .cn," the Facebook page administrator of Anonymous #OccupyPhilippines said.

Filipino hackers have also uploaded a video clip on YouTube about their May 11 cyberprotest.

Some of the foreign websites that have been defaced to tell other countries about China's intentions include:

http://www.videooteli.ru/
http://www.marketingt4.es/
http://www.srcu.es/
http://clinicaesteticaespacovida.com.br/
http://www.flexvidros.com.br/
http://blackhome.com.br/
http://www.geelongpartyhire.com.au/
http://www.redevent.com.au
http://rebelmoon.co.za/
http://www.fittedbedroomspecialist.co.uk/
http://www.2pc.cl/
http://www.credit-hero.co.uk/
http://www.beblemagnolie.it/
http://www.tegcare.co.uk/
http://www.pureblissyoga.ca/
http://www.ayrshirehotels.co.uk/
http://ioptimise4u.co.uk/
http://www.blindandshutterstore.co.uk/
http://iam-security.co.uk/
http://www.beblemagnolie.it/
http://yogareading.co.uk/
http://www.yidaki.fr/
http://roundupshindig.org/
http://www.otoczaki.org/
http://www.cfoncier.fr/
http://www.ventoux-saveurs.fr/
http://www.jonathanhadida.fr/
http://www.irisjolink.nl/
http://www.naturalsoul.nl/
http://www.flexvidros.com.br/

"We, Anonymous, never stopped doing what we do in support of protecting our country's territorial integrity. Many say that such acts are not helpful to the ongoing dispute happening in our shores. We are not dumb to know that defacing websites has nothing to do with the warships in Scarborough Shoal. Hence, our goal is to gather your attention and support. Not only those who are within our region. Not only to those who are
surrounding the shoal. We are doing this to let you know that this is a global situation," said the message posted on one website.

"We are not asking you to deface/DDOS China's websites. Nor root their servers. All you can do to help is simply grab the attention of other countries and international organizations," the message added.

"China's act of ignoring an international treaty is a grim action. They know that they cannot win the shoal through diplomatic channels. Their bullying tactics and abuse of power are proof that they are willing to do anything to claim Scarborough shoal," it said.

"Stand up against China's intrusion in the West Philippine Sea. It's happening in the Philippines. It may happen in your country too," it added.

The Philippine government earlier urged hackers not to attack Chinese websites to prevent the tension in the West Philippine Sea from escalating.

The Palace has also distanced itself from the May 11 protests against China.

"The protests are the initiatives of private citizens. Freedom of expression and peaceful assembly enshrined in the constitution. We urge the participants to exercise their rights responsibly," deputy Presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte said Thursday.

Pati non-Chinese website pinatulan nila... :lol:


We Anonymous never stopped doing what we do in support of protecting our country's territorial integrity.
Many say that such acts are not helpful to the ongoing dispute happening in our shores. We are not dumb to
know that defacing websites has nothing to do with the warships in Scarborough Shoal.Hence, our goal is to
gather your attention and Support. Not only those who are within our region. Not only to those who are
surrounding the shoal. We are doing this to let you know that this is a global situation.

We are not asking you to Deface / DDOS China's websites. Nor root their servers. All you can do
to help is simply grab the attention of other countries and International Organizations.

China's act of ignoring an international treaty is a grim action. They know that they cannot
win the shoal through diplomatic channels. Their bullying tactics and abuse of power are proofs
that they are willing to do anything to claim Scarborough shoal.

Stand up against China's intrusion in the West Philippine Sea.

It's happening in the Philippines. It may happen in your country too.

You've expected us. We now expect you. United as One, Divided by None

[] Anonymous Philippines []

funny unclos doesnt apply to china? and it shouldnt be taken into international court? LOL China shouldnt even be a part of UN! they are the ones who are violating the law! hello to our allies pls make a port visit to the Philippines. lets show them our LAW.
because if a country steps into another countries TERRITORY(w/o permission) ITS A CLEAR ACT OF INVASION and VIOLATION
hello govt were already being INVADED!

kayo na bahala mag google translate.

http://news.cn.yahoo.com/ypen/20120510/1036291.html
as usual full of lies and haughtiness, hallucinations again from the tsikom the paper dragon

As translated by google :lol:

Liberation Army Daily published a signed article: never expect to take away China cede territory
May 10, 2012 6:37 Liberation Army Daily, I would like to participate (45087)

Huangyan Island incident in the Philippines have continued to the present is just the full moon. The Philippine government apparently did not realize that they are committing a serious error: intensified expanding situation, and continue to send the official boat activity in the Huangyan Island lagoon, continuously published erroneous statements to mislead the domestic and international public, to incite public sentiment, and serious damage to bilateral relations atmosphere. The situation is not optimistic.

China has sufficient historical and legal basis for sovereignty over the Huangyan Island. Regardless of sleight of hand tricks in the Philippines, can not change the Huangyan Island belongs to China this basic fact. Even look at 1981, 1984, and even the official map of the Philippines in 2006, you know that thinking about sovereignty over Huangyan Island, the Philippines is how ridiculous. These maps clearly indicate the territory of the Huangyan Island is not in the Philippines. No wonder that the people of insight in the Philippines should exclaimed: suddenly from where, from where all of a sudden get these islands? Is it out of thin air come from?

Intend for domestic political or international leveraging of an attempt to test the Chinese bottom line moves, the Philippines again and again and again to play tricks and tricks, not only can not convince their own citizens, can convince the international community, even convince behind its backing of the people. No one willing to wade basin of muddy water. The only result can only be the people more clearly absurd act of an unscrupulous government, most likely brewed bitter drink.

Chinese history has gone through too much sovereignty occupation, the humiliation of the territory to be carved up, but that is poor and weak old China. China today is walking in the road of peaceful development. We pursue an independent foreign policy of peace, will never be big bullying the small, lean strong bullying the weak, but will never fancy unreasonably tease blindly patience, not to mention the matter related to China's territorial integrity and national dignity, and even social stability.

Everything has a degree. China's Huangyan Island, Tolerance is not fat, not weak, but restraint. However, if someone mistakenly put China's well-intentioned generosity as a sign of weakness, really as a "paper dragon" incite onlookers mouth, then he is wrong.

Chinese Foreign Ministry has made it clear, the Chinese side to do a deal with the Philippine side to expand a variety of events to prepare. Which meaning is not self-evident. We are saying is, Anyone who tries to snatch the sovereignty over Huangyan Island, not only the Chinese government does not agree, the Chinese people do not agree, the Chinese army will not agree.

Anyone, regardless of juggling what tricks to expect nothing backing to draw what an accomplice, never take away half an inch of land in China's. The smart move is to quickly come back to where they are going, and honestly comply with international law, in order to obtain the understanding of the Chinese people, inclusive of the international community.

As translated by google :lol:

:lol:parang nahilo rin ako don ah:nuts:

^^Hahaha tapos tayo pa ang maykasalanan... Ang lakas talaga ng mga shabu na tinitira ng mga chinks na yan :lol:

Philippines now eyeing bilateral approach to resolve standoff - DFA chief
InterAksyon.com
http://www.interaksyon.com/article/31538/philippines-now-eyeing-bilateral-approach-to-resolve-standoff---dfa-chief

After insisting on a multi-lateral approach to resolving the standoff at Scarborough (Panatag) Shoal, the Philippines is now exploring the bilateral track in an attempt to ease the increasing tension there.

Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario on Wednesday night confirmed the “new diplomatic initiative to defuse the tensions in the Scarborough Shoal” announced earlier that day by DFA spokesman Raul Hernandez.

This initiative was raised shortly after Beijing warned that it is ready to respond to the escalating tensions at Scarborough and repeated its request for the Philippines to pull out its ships from the area.

Pressed about this shift in approach, del Rosario said the Philippines has continued to talk with China about the issue, and that this is part of the “political track” that the Philippines has been following together with its “legal track” of putting the issue before the International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea for resolution.

“We have been talking to them, haven’t we? We are undertaking many tracks. Remember, this is part of the diplomatic and political track,” del Rosario told reporters in a quick interview at the Europe Day reception at the Mandarin Hotel.

But in previous occasions, the department has tried to resolve the issue through an independent third party like ITLOS.

It has also called on its neighbors and fellow members of ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) for support in its protests against incursions into Philippine territory by the world's second biggest economy.

Asked if the new initiative will involve his Chinese counterpart in China, he said: “Just wait for an announcement.”

Pressed on the possibility that China will cut back on its aid, particularly on joint projects like the much-delayed, corruption-laden North Rail construction, the DFA chief said, “there is development in that area.”

Hernandez said the Philippines is still pursuing the legal track.

"That (ITLOS) is a legal track. That is part of how we are dealing with the issue in the West Philippine Sea. The legal track is still there. We have not changed our position on that," he said. This does not sound promising~ Bilateral??? Like how bilateral talks between China and Kyrgyzstan, China and Kazahkstan, China and Tajikistan resulted in the loss of territory for the 3 Central Asian republics and a gain for China? Make no mistake, that is where bilateral talks will lead to when an elephant talks to an ant.

You can thank all your useless magnanakaw generals and the equally rapacious greedy politicos for the sorry state this military has sunk into. Idagdag niyo na rin ang mga maiingay na Leftists (o nasaan na kayo ngayon?) that had insisted on zero budget for the military over the decades. The combined stupidity of these people plus the apathy and acquiescence of a dumbed down public are all to blame. You sow what you reap and you reap what you sow.
"The plan to go to ITLOS with or without China is still there and we are undertaking all the necessary preparations for that," he added. Alam pala nilang gagawin nila e di gawin na ano pang hinihintay?? Dehado na nga on the military front magkukuskos balungos pa on that legal front? Listo na, kilos.

^^Hahaha tapos tayo pa ang maykasalanan... Ang lakas talaga ng mga shabu na tinitira ng mga chinks na yan :lol:

I think they never did away from the opium. Baka nagsmusmuggle sila from Afghanistan :lol:

http://tcdn02.abs-cbnnews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/abscbn2010-topofthehour/a_images/slideshows/frontimage/20120510_hongkong_antiPH-afp.jpg

Protester Tsang Kin-shing, who supports Chinese sovereignty over the Scarborough Shoal, prepares to burn paper Philippine and US flags during a protest near the Philippine consulate in Hong Kong on Thursday. A bigger protest over the territorial dispute is scheduled in Manila for Friday.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/

Photo by Antony Dickson, AFP

We will not burn flags. Let us show that we are civilized. But we should sing our national anthem in front of the Chinese embassy :D

This does not sound good....

Military now mum on Panatag situation (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=805845&publicationSubCategoryId=63)

MANILA, Philippines - Defense and military officials are now withholding comment on developments in Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal off Zambales that is also being claimed by China.

“Statements on monitoring of the situation is no longer within our level,” a military official based in Northern Luzon told The STAR yesterday, referring to the ongoing standoff in Panatag Shoal, which is 124 nautical miles from Masinloc, Zambales.

The Northern Luzon Command (Nolcom) under Lt. Gen. Anthony Alcantara has operational jurisdiction over Panatag Shoal.

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) is now dealing with all underlying matters resulting from the month-long territorial standoff.

“Huwag natin palakihin pa (Let’s not make this issue bigger),” Gazmin said, referring to the series of pronouncements coming from Beijing, including a claim made by a Chinese television commentator saying that the Philippines belongs to China.

China also declared its readiness for “any escalation” in the event the Panatag Shoal standoff worsens.

A month ago yesterday, two Chinese Maritime Surveillance Vessels (CMS) prevented the Philippine Navy flagship BRP Gregorio del Pilar from arresting Chinese fishermen who were poaching inside the lagoon of Panatag Shoal.

The standoff continued after Beijing deployed one of its modern ships, the FLEC (Fisheries and Law Enforcement Command) 310 in the area in support of their other vessels that are now pre-positioned in the mouth of the lagoon.

Local fishermen from Masinloc, Zambales complained that Chinese vessels have barred them from entering Panatag Shoal.

Members of the militant fisherfolk group Pamalakaya dared presidential spokesman Edwin Lacierda and Defense Secretary Gazmin to visit Panatag Shoal to see how Filipino fishermen are being barred from entering the lagoon in Panatag Shoal that is also called Bajo de Masinloc and Karburo by local fishermen.

“The people and the local government of Masinloc are telling the world that small fishermen are barred from entering Panatag Shoal,” said Fernando Hicap, Pamalakaya president.

Masinloc Mayor Desiree Edora said that Chinese vessels have prevented local fishermen from fishing inside the lagoon of Bajo de Masinloc.

Edora’s municipal secretary RJay Bautista said that these recent incidents at Bajo de Masinloc have been recorded by the Navy and by the Nolcom troops who interviewed the fishermen following their return from Panatag Shoal last Sunday.

Meanwhile, the defense department is also mum on the decision of Chinese travel agencies to suspend tourist packages to the Philippines.

“Let us not blow that up. We’ll just let the DFA (Department of Foreign Affairs) answer that,” Gazmin said.

Rommel Banlaoi, executive director of think tank Philippine Institute for Peace, Violence and Terrorism Research, dismissed the move of the Chinese travel agencies.

“That is not prudent for China to suspend tourist packages to the Philippines amid the Panatag Shoal standoff,” Banlaoi said.

“If that is true, it is not a friendly gesture, considering that years 2012 and 2013 have been declared years of friendly exchanges between the Philippines and China,” he added. With Alexis Romero

^^^^ Bakit hindi pa rin ba tinatablan sa matagal ko nang sinasabi rito?
You can thank all your useless magnanakaw generals and the equally rapacious greedy politicos for the sorry state this military has sunk into. Idagdag niyo na rin ang mga maiingay na Leftists (o nasaan na kayo ngayon?) that had insisted on zero budget for the military over the decades. The combined stupidity of these people plus the apathy and acquiescence of a dumbed down public are all to blame. You sow what you reap and you reap what you sow.
EN: Inutile
ES: Inútil
Ta: Inutil
Ce: Inutil

Stupid in just about any language.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=805845&publicationSubCategoryId=63

MANILA, Philippines - The Philippines is willing to match Beijing’s announcement of preparations for an escalation of tensions in Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal with “diplomatic consultations,” unless the message is meant to intimidate, Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario said yesterday.

He was reacting to a declaration by Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Fu Ying that Beijing is prepared for “any escalation” in the West Philippine Sea, particularly in the Panatag Shoal where Chinese and Philippine vessels have been in a standoff since April 10.

Panatag Shoal, originally called Bajo de Masinloc, is only 124 nautical miles from Zambales and is well within the country’s 200-mile exclusive economic zone. It has been part of the Philippines in maps dating from 1743.

“If the Vice Minister’s message is intended to be constructive, we are clearly looking for ways to defuse the situation, essentially through diplomatic consultations. We are endeavoring to continue these consultations,“ Del Rosario told The STAR.

“If, however, the intention is to intimidate, then our position is it does not merit a response.”

Fu summoned on Monday Alex Chua, charge d‘affaires of the Philippine embassy in Beijing, to express her country‘s concern over the Panatag standoff.

Fu told Chua that “it is hard for us to be optimistic about the situation.”

Del Rosario also said it‘s “not true” that 30 Chinese vessels were now operating in the shoal and that they were driving away Filipino fishermen.

As of Wednesday, Del Rosario said nine Chinese and four Filipino fishing vessels were in the lagoon in the shoal.

The Philippines is appealing for international support – particularly from the United States – for its position in the West Philippine Sea.

It has also called on fellow members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) to take a common stand against China’s bullying in the region.

Del Rosario said in a statement issued on Wednesday that the US considers the West Philippine Sea a vital sealane and that an armed attack in the area on either the US or the Philippines “would be dangerous to its own peace and safety.”

He said the US has declared “that it would act to meet the common dangers in accordance with its constitutional processes.”

Under the Philippines-US Mutual Defense Treaty (MDT) signed on Aug. 30, 1951 in Washington, the US declared its commitment to support the Philippines from attacks.

“The US declares their sense of unity and common determination to defend themselves against external armed attack, so that no potential aggressor could be under the illusion that either of them stands alone in the Pacific Area,” Del Rosario cited the MDT’s preamble, adding that Article IV states: “Each party recognizes that an armed attack in the Pacific area on either of the Parties would be dangerous to its own peace and safety and declares that it would act to meet the common dangers in accordance with its constitutional processes.”

Rally behind P-Noy

Sen. Manny Villar Jr., meanwhile, urged the public to rally behind President Aquino in his quest for a peaceful resolution of the Panatag standoff.

“The Panatag Shoal is ours. We should not abandon it. We are not fighting with anyone here, we should actually support our President in this issue,” Villar said.

“For me, it is better if we keep quiet about the issue as of now,” he added. “This should not be misconstrued as cowardice but we should allow the tension to die down because this can be done through diplomacy.”

He also said the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) should be given more funds to modernize but such modernization should not be misconstrued as a reaction to the standoff.

“We should strengthen the Armed Forces not because of this issue on Panatag Shoal... This should not be for anything else, since it is but normal that every country should strengthen its armed forces,” Villar explained.

Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV, for his part, said he fully supports the government’s position to bring the issue before an international tribunal, citing the country’s lack of capability to confront China militarily.

“We don’t have capability to confront China,” the senator said in a weekly media forum at the Senate.

“We advise the President to leave it up to the court,” Trillanes, a former naval officer, said.

Trillanes said it is enough that the Philippine government has called the attention of the International Tribunal on the Law of the Seas (ITLOS) regarding the matter.

Trillanes said there had been skirmishes between Philippine troops and some Chinese vessels in the disputed waters in the West Philippine Sea. “We have experienced much more serious confrontations in the past,” Trillanes said.

Senate committee on foreign relations chairperson Loren Legarda also called for a diplomatic way to end the standoff at Panatag Shoal.

“I am certain that both countries will solve this issue in a peaceful manner. There is a Code of Conduct that has been agreed upon by both nations and we must observe that. There’s no reason for us to fight each other. Let us focus on the issues that build, instead of the concerns that destroy. There is so much commonality than the issues that we differ in,” Legarda said.

“We must concentrate on areas that unite us, instead of issues that divide us. Commerce, trade, investments, culture, education, combating climate change-these are concerns that China and the Philippines, and all of us in the Asia Pacific, should focus on,” she added.

She cited the recent Senate ratification of the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty and the Consular Agreement between the Philippines and China.

“I will do my best to make sure that this will not affect our robust bilateral relationship with a country whose culture and history means a lot to the Filipinos. We are committed to a peaceful dialogue utilizing every legal, diplomatic means to resolve the dispute,” Legarda said.

Dialogue pushed

Speaker Feliciano Belmonte Jr. said dialogue is still the best approach to easing tensions in the West Philippine Sea.

“I think we should continue our dialoguing with the Chinese, which is what we are doing through the embassy here,” Belmonte told reporters. “I don’t think it is to anybody’s advantage to be to be rattling the sword at anybody.”

He noted that a delegation of female members of Congress that recently met with Chinese leaders in Beijing had been assured of China’s commitment to keeping its friendship with the Philippines.

Ang Kasangga party-list Rep. Teodorico Haresco, for his part, urged the Aquino administration to start high-level bilateral talks with China to resolve the dispute.

“Are we prepared to cut trade and diplomatic ties with China? If China would simply decide to send home all of our overseas Filipino workers including those in Macau and Hong Kong, we would be surely devastated. All these things should be considered before we try anything that can provoke China,” Haresco said.

He said the Philippines should not let itself appear pitiful and desperate before the international community by running to the US for protection.

“Playing AmBoy (American boy) does not only look bad for the country but it is also aggravating its diplomatic animosity with China,” he said.

“We have to rally behind President Aquino and urge foreign affairs towards establishing a joint Phl-China Study Commission with the primary objective of strengthening our bilateral ties,” Haresco said.

He cited the strategy used by Vietnam, which entered into a bilateral non-aggression and joint exploration pact with China while maintaining a mutual defense treaty with the US.

“The US will always be an ally to us but we should show some restraint in playing AmBoy, especially because China has become a key trade partner, accounting for at least 16 percent of our gross domestic product,” he said.

He said the Philippines “might be playing with fire with its continuing effort to drag the US into the conflict.”

“The dogma of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) has been and always (will) be to do everything it can to protect China and her territories, even if it means they have to strike first. The PLA is unique amongst the military of other great superpowers as it does not report to the state but directly to the Central Military Commission of the Communist Party, which is composed of generals who obviously have militaristic inclinations and have very little diplomatic skills,” he said. “That makes the Chinese response on the Spratlys conflict very unpredictable.” With Christina Mendez, Marvin Sy, Paolo Romero


Congrats Phil government. You basically made us more at the mercy of China.

For now, we should remain calm but observant. wala pa ang declaration kaya there is still time to deescalate the situation.

But we should still fight for what is right.

For now, we should remain calm but observant. wala pa ang declaration kaya there is still time to deescalate the situation.

From the sound of it, looks like our government is going to give up even at the ITLOS.:ohno::ohno:

Parang di lang masabi ng deretsuhan ng gobyerno

Somebody needs to join in the Foxnews comments on their recent new: David versus Goliath on the South China Sea". I can't right now. Need to educate the Americans.

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/257700/opinion/blogs/an-appeal-to-a-hegemon

There is nothing that can stop the People’s Republic of China in claiming the West Philippne Sea Sea as part of its historical territory. And there is nothing that can stop them in occupying the Spratly Islands or the Panatag Shoal right now.

Gleaning from the recent remark of Vice Foreign Minister Fu Ying in a meeting with our chargé d'affaires Alex Chua in Beijing, China is in no mood to back down any time soon.

Instead, China is threatening us with dire consequences for escalating tension in the disputed territories. I must say that this is quite a creative spin. By pinning us down as the instigator, it is acting lily-white and blaming us solely for the conflict.

But wait a minute! How can we be the intruders if we are the ones being intruded upon? How can we be the invaders when we are the ones being invaded? And how can we be the bullies when we are the ones being bullied? Something is not quite right here.

I have no doubt that China is more than capable of using not only fear and intimidation, but also, deadly force to back its alleged claim. And I am reasonably convinced that it’ll use any means without hesitation or reservation to achieve its selfish ends.

Why is this so? Simply, because it can!

China is now a hegemon. This means that it can do whatever it wants without regard or respect for the life and dignity of others. As a hegemon, there is a dominant way of thinking that it regards as a given—an ethnocentric attitude that structures the way it is supposed to behave. It’ll be very difficult for a hegemon to act differently from what is expected. As the saying goes: “if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it must be a duck.”

Take for instance this classic example: China’s historical claim as the “Middle Kingdom” and the peopling of its tributaries by the Sons of the Yellow Emperor. This powerful hegemonic idealization creates and rationalizes the drive for geopolitical dominance over real or perceived subordinated states in terms of political, military, or economic advantages.

And since the Philippines happened to be smack dab within China’s alleged sphere of influence, sometimes the hegemonic impulse kicks in and turns destructively self-fulfilling.

Under these circumstances, maybe we are merely sitting ducks. Maybe, there is not much we can do but sit on the sidelines and watch the powerful United States duke it out with China. Or maybe, we just have to bite the bullet and try to make sense of what will be left for us. I know that whatever outcome this conflict will bring, we will likely get the short end of the stick. As the old African saying goes: “When elephants fight, the grass gets trampled down.”

And yet, I refuse to concede that there is nothing that can be done. I still believe that history does not necessarily mean destiny. I like to think that there is something about China that is more reasonable and more responsible, even as a hegemon. I think it is the realization that despite its superpower status, it is still a responsible member of the “community of nations,” highly regarded and highly respected by many.

I know it is not my place to appeal or demand something because I don’t possess the stature or the position to do so. I am just one of the many Filipinos who wish to coexist with China in peace and harmony.

May I therefore ask the People’s Republic of China to explore with Filipino leaders the possibility of reasonably settling the territorial disputes without the threat or use of military force? I am sure we all can do a lot better than stir each other’s fear and hatred.

Would the People’s Republic of China consider resolving these matters with us within the framework of the international community?

Somebody needs to join in the Foxnews comments on their recent new: David versus Goliath on the South China Sea". I can't right now. Need to educate the Americans.

I am not a fan of Fox news but it is likely they'll be the one to pay attention to us :nuts::lol::lol::lol::lol:

From the sound of it, looks like our government is going to give up even at the ITLOS.:ohno::ohno:

Parang di lang masabi ng deretsuhan ng gobyerno

I have a feeling that this isn't really PHL-PRC alone. They are indirectly challenging the US here and it just happens that PHL is in the middle.

http://tcdn02.abs-cbnnews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/abscbn2010-topofthehour/a_images/slideshows/frontimage/20120510_hongkong_antiPH-afp.jpg



Photo by Antony Dickson, AFP

We will not burn flags. Let us show that we are civilized. But we should sing our national anthem in front of the Chinese embassy :D

But we have people who are willing to burn flags because it is their right to burn and wave any flag they want:nuts:
Flag burning is for the uncivlised mobs.

I have a feeling that this isn't really PHL-PRC alone. They are indirectly challenging the US here and it just happens that PHL is in the middle.

I think so especially at the event of the Chen controversy.

Our choice basically boils down to two and neutrality is not an option:

Kowtow to China or hug Papa sugar :lol::lol:

Looks like China made us their pawn against the US.

Why can't they make it the Panatag issue separate from the US issue? They are cowards, immature. They do not deserve even a regional power. Taiwan was more civil in handling the wrong deportation fiasco(our fault, IMO)

CHINA MIGHT WIN THE BATTLE AGAINST THE PHILIPPINES BUT NOT THE WAR IN GENERAL!

One warship – enough to win a global war?

Tags: Asia-Pacific region, US Navy, Politics, World, Commentary
Volkhonsky Boris
May 10, 2012 15:34 Moscow Time

Photo: EPA

On Wednesday, as reported by Reuters, the U.S. Navy announced that the first of a new class of coastal warships will be sent to Singapore next spring for a roughly 10-month deployment.

The proposed move may seem insignificant in terms of the total capacity of only one warship, but it definitely highlights a strategic pivot in U.S. policies in Asia Pacific, and the determination to engage regional powers with one sole purpose of containing China.

Recent months have witnessed a growing tension in the maritime area of South China Sea between China on the one hand, and Vietnam, the Philippines and several other littoral countries on the other. China claims that most of the islands in the South China Sea fall under its territory – a claim other littoral countries are not ready to agree with. In April, China and the Philippines narrowly escaped the option of a maritime dispute turning into a military standoff, when China deployed warships in order to protect fishing vessels fishing in the disputed waters and threatened to be arrested by the Philippine navy. Similar incidents happened throughout March and April between China and Vietnam.

The territorial disputes have attracted attention of other important players from outside the region, namely the U.S. and India, both trying to expand cooperation with China's rivals.

The new U.S. strategic pivot was announced last year, when President Obama ordered stepped-up emphasis on the Asia-Pacific region in a "rebalancing" of U.S. national security planning. Since then, several important developments have taken place, including the posting of 1,500 U.S. marines in Australia, and maritime drills with the Philippines in the South China Sea.

Now, what's so special about Singapore. The fact is that this tiny state is strategically located on the southernmost tip of the Malay Peninsula, and thus creates a convenient stronghold for the control of a strategically important choke point in the narrowest part of the Strait of Malacca.

It should be noted that the Strait of Malacca is one of the most important global trading thoroughfares with almost 40 percent of world trade flowing through it. That amount includes the overwhelming portion of oil supplies transported to China from the Persian Gulf and Africa. Imagine that the current standoff between China and any of its neighbors turns into an open warfare. In that case, one warship would be basically sufficient to completely block the bottleneck of the Strait of Malacca which at its narrowest point does not exceed 2.8 km (1.5 nautical miles). Deprived of oil, China would not last long in a military standoff even with much weaker rivals.

In recent years, China has been extensively building up its strategy called "the string of pearls" consisting in creating port, road and pipeline infrastructure in the littoral countries of the Indian Ocean basin (namely, Pakistan and Myanmar), which would enable it to bypass the narrow Strait of Malacca. But the strategy has not yielded its fruit, and the Strait of Malacca remains the only gateway for the goods to enter Chinese waters.

Deployment of U.S. warships in Singapore, accompanied by the marines in Australia, and Indian and U.S. navies regularly penetrating into the South China Sea dramatically alters the whole strategic situation in the region. In fact, China appears to be surrounded by its geopolitical rivals, having no allies in East and South East Asia, except North Korea, and no reliable allies whatsoever.

So, the move of one U.S. warship to Singapore should not be underestimated. This is only a first step, and the U.S. is definitely going to pump up its military presence in the region by establishing permanent stations in Southeast Asia.

The whole situation leaves only one question unanswered. The Strait of Malacca is famous not only as an important trading thoroughfare, but, along with the African Horn, also as one of the two maritime areas most seriously affected by pirates. If blocking the Strait for cargo ships and oil tankers seems to be an easy task that may be accomplished by a few warships, then why would the U.S. not pay greater attention to anti-piracy struggle. Indeed, that would be a much more helpful use of military power than trying to isolate China.

Boris Volkhonsky, senior research fellow, Russian Institute for Strategic Studies

Hmm... Is someone trying to call the dragon's bluff by allowing articles like this?

Why the U.S. Wants a New Bomber (http://the-diplomat.com/2012/05/06/why-the-u-s-wants-a-new-bomber/)
May 06, 2012
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The U.S. Air Force has struggled for years to develop a new long-range bomber to complement its existing fleet of B-52, B-1 and B-2 bombers dating from the 1960s, ’80s and ’90s, respectively.

The rise of China as a regional power compelled the Air Force, in 2006, to begin design work on a radar-evading “stealth” bomber capable of striking heavily-defended targets within the Chinese heartland from secure American bases in the Pacific. But the basic design of the so-called “Next-Generation Bomber” grew increasingly complex and potentially expensive – reportedly billions of dollars per copy. In 2009, then-U.S. Secretary Robert Gates cancelled the Next-Generation Bomber...

Or just a new conspiracy theorist hack?

CNN picks it up after 1 month. LOL!

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/10/world/asia/china-philippines-dispute/index.html

LOL! Two defense threads are up an lights in this section. You should start posting in the newer thread. We're exceeding the 51st page limit here already. :lol:

:lol::lol: Dalawang Defense threads. Nalito na ako tuloy.

Hmm... Is someone trying to call the dragon's bluff by allowing articles like this?


Why the U.S. Wants a New Bomber
May 06, 2012
By David AxeAbout the author
David Axe

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The U.S. Air Force has struggled for years to develop a new long-range bomber. But with China’s growing anti-access capabilities, it may need one.
Related Features

Iran and the ‘Bomber Boys’
How Downed U.S. Drone Helps China
America’s Pacific Air-Sea Battle Vision
China’s Two-Pronged Maritime Rise
Why Australia Needs Nuclear Subs

The U.S. Air Force has struggled for years to develop a new long-range bomber to complement its existing fleet of B-52, B-1 and B-2 bombers dating from the 1960s, ’80s and ’90s, respectively.

The rise of China as a regional power compelled the Air Force, in 2006, to begin design work on a radar-evading “stealth” bomber capable of striking heavily-defended targets within the Chinese heartland from secure American bases in the Pacific. But the basic design of the so-called “Next-Generation Bomber” grew increasingly complex and potentially expensive – reportedly billions of dollars per copy. In 2009, then-U.S. Secretary Robert Gates cancelled the Next-Generation Bomber...

Crap! Nakakalito!

Asan na ba si hakz para magsara. Hehehe


CNN picks it up after 1 month. LOL!

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/10/world/...ute/index.html

Aside from protesting in fornt of the Chinese consulate/embassy

Filipinos should also be protesting in front if the DFA and Philippine consulates :lol:


8F3YFCDVsSo

CHINA MIGHT WIN THE BATTLE AGAINST THE PHILIPPINES BUT NOT THE WAR IN GENERAL!

One warship – enough to win a global war?

Tags: Asia-Pacific region, US Navy, Politics, World, Commentary
Volkhonsky Boris
May 10, 2012 15:34 Moscow Time

Photo: EPA

On Wednesday, as reported by Reuters, the U.S. Navy announced that the first of a new class of coastal warships will be sent to Singapore next spring for a roughly 10-month deployment.

The proposed move may seem insignificant in terms of the total capacity of only one warship, but it definitely highlights a strategic pivot in U.S. policies in Asia Pacific, and the determination to engage regional powers with one sole purpose of containing China.

Recent months have witnessed a growing tension in the maritime area of South China Sea between China on the one hand, and Vietnam, the Philippines and several other littoral countries on the other. China claims that most of the islands in the South China Sea fall under its territory – a claim other littoral countries are not ready to agree with. In April, China and the Philippines narrowly escaped the option of a maritime dispute turning into a military standoff, when China deployed warships in order to protect fishing vessels fishing in the disputed waters and threatened to be arrested by the Philippine navy. Similar incidents happened throughout March and April between China and Vietnam.

The territorial disputes have attracted attention of other important players from outside the region, namely the U.S. and India, both trying to expand cooperation with China's rivals.

The new U.S. strategic pivot was announced last year, when President Obama ordered stepped-up emphasis on the Asia-Pacific region in a "rebalancing" of U.S. national security planning. Since then, several important developments have taken place, including the posting of 1,500 U.S. marines in Australia, and maritime drills with the Philippines in the South China Sea.

Now, what's so special about Singapore. The fact is that this tiny state is strategically located on the southernmost tip of the Malay Peninsula, and thus creates a convenient stronghold for the control of a strategically important choke point in the narrowest part of the Strait of Malacca.

It should be noted that the Strait of Malacca is one of the most important global trading thoroughfares with almost 40 percent of world trade flowing through it. That amount includes the overwhelming portion of oil supplies transported to China from the Persian Gulf and Africa. Imagine that the current standoff between China and any of its neighbors turns into an open warfare. In that case, one warship would be basically sufficient to completely block the bottleneck of the Strait of Malacca which at its narrowest point does not exceed 2.8 km (1.5 nautical miles). Deprived of oil, China would not last long in a military standoff even with much weaker rivals.

In recent years, China has been extensively building up its strategy called "the string of pearls" consisting in creating port, road and pipeline infrastructure in the littoral countries of the Indian Ocean basin (namely, Pakistan and Myanmar), which would enable it to bypass the narrow Strait of Malacca. But the strategy has not yielded its fruit, and the Strait of Malacca remains the only gateway for the goods to enter Chinese waters.

Deployment of U.S. warships in Singapore, accompanied by the marines in Australia, and Indian and U.S. navies regularly penetrating into the South China Sea dramatically alters the whole strategic situation in the region. In fact, China appears to be surrounded by its geopolitical rivals, having no allies in East and South East Asia, except North Korea, and no reliable allies whatsoever.

So, the move of one U.S. warship to Singapore should not be underestimated. This is only a first step, and the U.S. is definitely going to pump up its military presence in the region by establishing permanent stations in Southeast Asia.

The whole situation leaves only one question unanswered. The Strait of Malacca is famous not only as an important trading thoroughfare, but, along with the African Horn, also as one of the two maritime areas most seriously affected by pirates. If blocking the Strait for cargo ships and oil tankers seems to be an easy task that may be accomplished by a few warships, then why would the U.S. not pay greater attention to anti-piracy struggle. Indeed, that would be a much more helpful use of military power than trying to isolate China.

Boris Volkhonsky, senior research fellow, Russian Institute for Strategic Studies

China issues warnings on PHL, state media says ready for war (http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/257760/news/nation/china-issues-warnings-on-phl-state-media-says-ready-for-war)
JASON GUTIERREZ, AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE May 10, 2012 7:00pm


China told its citizens Thursday they were not safe in the Philippines and its state media warned of war, as a month-long row over rival claims in the South China Sea threatened to spill out of control.

Chinese travel agencies announced they had suspended tours to the Philippines, under government orders, and the embassy in Manila advised its nationals already in the country to stay indoors ahead of planned protests.

"Avoid going out at all if possible, and if not, to avoid going out alone. If you come across any demonstrations, leave the area, do not stay to watch," the embassy's advisory said.

The safety alerts came as government-controlled media in China warned the country was prepared to go to war to end the standoff over Scarborough Shoal–small islands in the South China Sea that both nations claim as their own.

"No matter how willing we are to discuss the issue, the current Philippine leadership is intent on pressing us into a corner where there is no other option left but the use of arms," the China Daily said in an editorial.

"Manila is living in a fantasy world if it mistakes our forbearance for timidity."


A peaceful resolution?

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei said China was committed to a peaceful resolution.

But the editorial echoed other warnings in recent weeks in the state-run media that China was prepared to use its massive military advantage to crush the Philippines' challenge for the shoal.

The two nations have had non-military vessels stationed at the shoal since April 8 in an effort to assert their sovereignty to the area.

The dispute began when Philippine authorities detected Chinese ships fishing there. They attempted to arrest the crew, but were blocked by Chinese surveillance vessels that were quickly deployed to the area.

The Philippines insists its claims to the area are backed by international law, as the shoal is well within its 200-nautical-mile exclusive economic zone.

The shoal sits about 230 kilometers (140 miles) from the Philippines' main island of Luzon. The nearest major Chinese landmass is 1,200 kilometers northwest of the shoal, according to Filipino navy maps.

But China claims virtually all of the South China Sea as its territory, even waters close to the coasts of the Philippines and other Asian countries.

Taiwan, Brunei, Vietnam and Malaysia also claim parts of the sea, which is believed to sit atop vast oil and gas resources. The rival claims have for decades made the waters one of Asia's potential military flashpoints.


Through diplomatic means

The Philippines, which admits to having an extremely weak military, has repeatedly said it wants to solve the standoff over the shoal through diplomatic means.

But it has also said it secured a pledge from the United States, its main military ally, to protect the Philippines from attacks in the South China Sea.

A coalition of Filipino activist groups is planning to hold rallies at Chinese embassies around the world on Friday to support the Philippines in the dispute.

Organizers are hoping thousands of people will attend what they expect to be the biggest of the rallies, in Manila, and the Chinese embassy's safety alert was circulated chiefly to warn its nationals about that protest.

But Jackson Gan, a Filipino-Chinese businessman who is one the rally's organizers, said there was no need for such a warning because the protest would not target individuals and there had been no inciting of violence.

"This is going to be peaceful. No burning of Chinese flags, just singing of patriotic songs and making our presence felt," Gan told AFP.

Philippine foreign department spokesman Raul Hernandez also said Chinese nationals were in no danger of being attacked because of the diplomatic tensions.

"The Philippines remains a safe and welcoming country," he told AFP, adding Friday's protesters would not target Chinese people.

"There is nothing for our Chinese friends to be apprehensive about regarding this protest action."

China's war rhetoric seem to have gotten the attention of the international media...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-18016901

China bangs the war drum over South China Sea
Protester Tsang Kin-shing, who supports Chinese sovereignty over the Scarborough Shoal, prepares to burn a paper Philippine and a US flag during a protest at the Philippine consulate China has warned that it is ready to take military action to defend what it says is its territory
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War talk, it seems, is all the rage in China at the minute.

Yes, there are serious people in serious publications seriously advocating war.

You might have missed it during all the fuss about Chen Guangcheng, but, for a month now, China has been embroiled in an increasingly bellicose dispute with the Philippines.

So what is going on? Well, strange as it may seem, the two stories may be connected.

At the heart of the issue is what is called Scarborough Shoal by the Philippines and Huangyan Island by China, a little more than 100 miles (160km) from the Philippines and 500 miles from China.

The names are a bit misleading because this is a series of rocks, reefs and small islands stretching across an area of about 150sq km (58 sq miles) of the South China Sea, claimed by both the Philippines and China.

You can see what one "island" looks like here, a screenshot taken from a Chinese TV report yesterday - that is the reporter posing on the rock, and then planting the Chinese flag on it, which gives an insight into the way the issue is being played by China's media.

For a month now, there has been a standoff between Chinese and Philippine fishing and coastguard vessels near the outcrops.

The Global Times, a highly nationalistic English language paper produced by the Communist Party's People's Daily Group, has a useful map that shows how far China's territorial claims extend, on this special page it is now devoting to this 'conflict'.

On Tuesday, China's Vice Foreign Minister Fu Ying summoned a Philippine diplomat for the third time in this standoff, and delivered a warning, that China has "made all preparations to respond to any escalation of the situation by the Philippine side".

On Wednesday, the Global Times helpfully explained in its editorial that Ms Fu's "remarks are seen as China sending a sign that it will not rule out the use of force".

The paper explained: "The Philippines needs to be taught a lesson for its aggressive nationalism. For China, the standoff over Huangyan Island is a matter of sovereignty. And now Manila needs to be defeated in this area... If the standoff escalates into a military clash, the international community should not be completely surprised".

For China, sovereignty is one of the key issues it says it will not compromise on, so it is sending strong signals but also boxing itself in.

Unlike the Chen Guangcheng case, which has been heavily censored, China's internet is full of coverage of this story (for a taste, here is the special page created by sohu.com) which says China's sovereignty has been challenged and the Philippines is creating problems.

So it is fair to believe all this coverage is officially approved.

The odd thing here is that the Philippine navy consists of just one proper ship and that is an ancient US Coast Guard cutter which is hardly a match for China's navy, as this online commentary by "The Comparativist" makes clear.

The Comparativist writes: "I think this is happening because the Philippines is so weak. The Chinese government can beat the war drums all they want, and as loud as they want, and no war is going to happen. It's akin to bullying someone in a wheelchair that you know can't punch back."

That's one possibility. China, and its foreign ministry in particular, have been at the receiving end of intense criticism recently, whether over the Chen Guangcheng case or the Bo Xilai scandal.

So building up a row with the Philippines may be a way of trying to look tough, distract public attention, and hype a bit of nationalist fervour.

But there are dangers here too. The president of the Philippines has tweeted this statement this week, making clear that the Philippines believes America will help protect it from any Chinese aggression. So a dispute could lead to a very tense situation.

China's policy in the South China Sea is not a simple matter, directed clearly from the top as the International Crisis Group has detailed, but affected by many different players.

And now we have more escalation. China is now piling commercial pressure on top of the diplomatic and military pressure, halting tourism to the Philippines, tightening inspections of fruit imports and warning its citizens to be careful of their safety during demonstrations planned for Manila on Friday.

It's a dangerous dynamic that could escalate much further yet. We will keep watching.
Damian Grammaticas, Beijing correspondent Article written by Damian Grammaticas Damian Grammaticas Beijing correspondent

Shall we take them seriously at the height of the Bo Xi Lai and Chen controversy?

China issues warnings on PHL, state media says ready for war
(http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/257760/news/nation/china-issues-warnings-on-phl-state-media-says-ready-for-war)
China told its citizens Thursday they were not safe in the Philippines and its state media warned of war, as a month-long row over rival claims in the South China Sea threatened to spill out of control.

Chinese travel agencies announced they had suspended tours to the Philippines, under government orders, and the embassy in Manila advised its nationals already in the country to stay indoors ahead of planned protests.

"Avoid going out at all if possible, and if not, to avoid going out alone. If you come across any demonstrations, leave the area, do not stay to watch," the embassy's advisory said.

The safety alerts came as government-controlled media in China warned the country was prepared to go to war to end the standoff over Scarborough Shoal–small islands in the South China Sea that both nations claim as their own.

"No matter how willing we are to discuss the issue, the current Philippine leadership is intent on pressing us into a corner where there is no other option left but the use of arms," the China Daily said in an editorial.

"Manila is living in a fantasy world if it mistakes our forbearance for timidity."

A peaceful resolution?

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei said China was committed to a peaceful resolution.

But the editorial echoed other warnings in recent weeks in the state-run media that China was prepared to use its massive military advantage to crush the Philippines' challenge for the shoal.

The two nations have had non-military vessels stationed at the shoal since April 8 in an effort to assert their sovereignty to the area.

The dispute began when Philippine authorities detected Chinese ships fishing there. They attempted to arrest the crew, but were blocked by Chinese surveillance vessels that were quickly deployed to the area.

The Philippines insists its claims to the area are backed by international law, as the shoal is well within its 200-nautical-mile exclusive economic zone.

The shoal sits about 230 kilometers (140 miles) from the Philippines' main island of Luzon. The nearest major Chinese landmass is 1,200 kilometers northwest of the shoal, according to Filipino navy maps.

But China claims virtually all of the South China Sea as its territory, even waters close to the coasts of the Philippines and other Asian countries.

Taiwan, Brunei, Vietnam and Malaysia also claim parts of the sea, which is believed to sit atop vast oil and gas resources. The rival claims have for decades made the waters one of Asia's potential military flashpoints.

Through diplomatic means

The Philippines, which admits to having an extremely weak military, has repeatedly said it wants to solve the standoff over the shoal through diplomatic means.

But it has also said it secured a pledge from the United States, its main military ally, to protect the Philippines from attacks in the South China Sea.

A coalition of Filipino activist groups is planning to hold rallies at Chinese embassies around the world on Friday to support the Philippines in the dispute.

Organizers are hoping thousands of people will attend what they expect to be the biggest of the rallies, in Manila, and the Chinese embassy's safety alert was circulated chiefly to warn its nationals about that protest.

But Jackson Gan, a Filipino-Chinese businessman who is one the rally's organizers, said there was no need for such a warning because the protest would not target individuals and there had been no inciting of violence.

"This is going to be peaceful. No burning of Chinese flags, just singing of patriotic songs and making our presence felt," Gan told AFP.

Philippine foreign department spokesman Raul Hernandez also said Chinese nationals were in no danger of being attacked because of the diplomatic tensions.

"The Philippines remains a safe and welcoming country," he told AFP, adding Friday's protesters would not target Chinese people.

"There is nothing for our Chinese friends to be apprehensive about regarding this protest action." —Agence France-Presse

I am starting to think that the issue here is not sovereignty but what is happening IN China.

Wrong thread...sa kabila po. Hehe

Shall we take them seriously at the height of the Bo Xi Lai and Chen controversy?

China issues warnings on PHL, state media says ready for war
(http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/257760/news/nation/china-issues-warnings-on-phl-state-media-says-ready-for-war)


I am starting to think that the issue here is not sovereignty but what is happening IN China.

That's what I thought as well. We are a pawn for their current issues. Hence, their more nationalist rhetoric and indirect kayabangan towards USA recently.

I would also like to add the Al Jazeera controversy.


For all their rhetoric that they are our friends, this is what they do to us? Make us their pawn to redirect the attention of their citizens? What a "friend", indeed.

According to the BBC journalist, the Panatag issue is FAR way highlighted than the Chen, Al Jazeera, and Bo Xi Lai controversy.

Now, make the connection. The Panatag stand off did occur AFTER the Bo Xi Lai


MEANWHILE...CONTINUE NOYNOYING :lol: Para mapulot ng international media more!

I think what the government should do is announce to the public that this dispute is likely a diversion from their INTERNAL issues.

Btw, follow the Comparitivist link and that blogger is the one speaking the points you highlighted. Apparently BBC editors have credited this freelance journalist?

http://comparativist.wordpress.com/2012/05/09/lacking-danger-in-the-south-china-sea/

...Which leads to the most important point – I don’t see any way the Chinese could draw blood without wrecking three decades of careful diplomacy. They would be firing guns or missiles to stop a patrol, as the Philippine government has already demonstrated that it will back down during a dispute over illegal fishermen. It wouldn’t be a “war” or “combat.” If it rose to that level it it would just be a “sinking” and the entire event could last less than five minutes.

It would be cold-blooded murder and an international incident on par with North Korea’s unprovoked sinking of the Cheonan in 2010. But the difference is the world expects more of China than it does North Korea because China has worked so hard to build up it’s image of a “peacefully rising” giant. It doesn’t matter what the domestic pressure on Sina Weibo is. The international damage would take a decade to undo.

What’s more, it wouldn’t accomplish anything. It wouldn’t resolve the dispute. The Philippines would demand justice and wouldn’t waver on the core issue. It would probably make Southeast Asian neighbors turn even more towards the US to form alliances against China. It would probably spark a naval arms race that the Chinese would lose. The US has a lot of old but competent ships it could ‘donate’ to its threatened friends...

See like we've always said. We should just stand firm until the Chicoms get tired of it or cave to thier nationalists. Go ahead China. Pull the trigger if you dare. You know you want to :tongue2:

LOL at this. At least, we know our military weakness. We have the guts to admit it :D

The Gregorio del Pilar is not going to charge into a 21st century fleet with 19th century weapons in its first year of commission.

Yes. Our best option here is "Noynoying". They will probably go home when they settle their domestic issue :lol:

Por dios, ineexport nyo na lahat, wag naman pati problema nyo :lol:

LOL at this. At least, we know our military weakness. We have the guts to admit it :D



Yes. Our best option here is "Npynoying". They will probabl ygo home when they settle their domestic issue

Por dios, ineexport nyo na lahat, wag naman pati problema nyo :lol:

Haha. Look at this:lol:

It’s akin to bullying someone in a wheelchair that you know can’t punch back. Conversely, if the Chinese government beat war drums too loud against Vietnam or Japan things might actually get out of hand. If the PLA Navy sent a fleet to a disputed body of water with either of those countries, those countries would send their own boats out to counter them.

Noynoying talaga ang best weapon natin against China's diversion of their internal politics

I don't wish harm to the Philippines but I sometimes half wish that the
Chicoms would just get it over with and put money where thier mouth is, i.e. use force in the disputes as they always claim.

That would finally show the world who's the wolf in sheep's clothing:nuts::lol:

that's what i've been saying weeks back, this is a diversion of what's happening inside China - Bo Xilai, Chen, a reported coup plots and the upcoming anniversary of Tiananmen massacre.

This should be highlighted, especially when answering posts to chicoms. it's a diversion - trouble is brewing inside - nationalist sentiments have to be invoked.

Scarborough Shoal - a diversionary scapegoat for Bo Xilai, Chen and reported coup plots inside China

Aside from protesting in fornt of the Chinese consulate/embassy

Filipinos should also be protesting in front if the DFA and Philippine consulates :lol:


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May aabangan na ako bukas. :cheers: :lol: :banana:

I think, our media and government can capitalize on this especially now that the international media is really picking it up. Some serious write ups after a month.

This will gain us more sympathy and empathy rather than purely territorial issues.

As I suspected before, this could have really been staged by the Chinese. One week before Balikatan, a few after the Sino-Russian military exercise.

that's what i've been saying weeks back, this is a diversion of what's happening inside China - Bo Xilai, Chen, a reported coup plots and the upcoming anniversary of Tiananmen massacre.

This should be highlighted, especially when answering posts to chicoms. it's a diversion - trouble is brewing inside - nationalist sentiments have to be invoked.

Scarborough Shoal - a diversionary scapegoat for Bo Xilai, Chen and reported coup plots inside China
LOL at this. At least, we know our military weakness. We have the guts to admit it



Yes. Our best option here is "Noynoying". They will probably go home when they settle their domestic issue

Por dios, ineexport nyo na lahat, wag naman pati problema nyo

The Chinese Spring must be coming soon. Hope the Chicoms run scared:lol:

The Chinese Spring must be coming soon. Hope the Chicoms run scared:lol:

I do hope they finally break the bondage that the CCP put them through

The situation of the ordinary Chinese reminds me of Plato's Allegory of the Cave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave)

In Plato's fictional dialogue, Socrates begins by describing a scenario in which what people take to be real would in fact be an illusion. He asks Glaucon to imagine a cave inhabited by prisoners who have been chained and held immobile since childhood: not only are their arms and legs held in place, but their heads are also fixed, compelled to gaze at a wall in front of them. Behind the prisoners is an enormous fire, and between the fire and the prisoners is a raised walkway, along which people walk carrying things on their heads "including figures of men and animals made of wood, stone and other materials". The prisoners watch the shadows cast by the men, not knowing they are shadows. There are also echoes off the wall from the noise produced from the walkway.

Socrates suggests the prisoners would take the shadows to be real things and the echoes to be real sounds, not just reflections of reality, since they are all they had ever seen or heard. They would praise as clever, whoever could best guess which shadow would come next, as someone who understood the nature of the world, and the whole of their society would depend on the shadows on the wall.

The Chinese Spring must be coming soon. Hope the Chicoms run scared:lol:

seriously, what would they get from attacking a very weak navy? other than boost nationalist sentiments from ordinary, brainwashed chinese - it will be total damage to the very thing they worked so hard internationally....

seriously, what would they get from attacking a very weak navy? other than boost nationalist sentiments from ordinary, brainwashed chinese - it will be total damage to the very thing they worked so hard internationally....

Empty bravado :nuts::lol:

I don't wish harm to the Philippines but I sometimes half wish that the
Chicoms would just get it over with and put money where thier mouth is, i.e. use force in the disputes as they always claim.

That would finally show the world who's the wolf in sheep's clothing:nuts::lol:

At least may mabuti din tayong nakukuha sa Noynoying mania sa bansa. :lol:

And the all the extras are just part of the blessings in disguise for this country. The unity that we direly need are now starting to become a reality. As always, a nation is united by a common enemy. :cheers:

This time around, I'll try to withhold my grudges against the politicians and those pesky ultra-nationalist groups. We'll deal with the chicoms first, we'll settle the score later. :nuts: :lol:

It's about time this nation gets its acts together. And China just came in the most perfect timing. The country may be weak now but it's not to say we cannot build up our military. We're only buying for time, letting China remain a sitting duck at the face of a possible collision with the U.S over an attack on Philippine troops while we build ourselves up in the home front.

I also wanted to have those signs used in Britain back in world war II to galvanize public opinion and encourage the people to remain firm and stand their ground.

http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/homework/war/images/posters/facethebullets.jpg

This is a funny write up :lol:

What, Philippines belongs to China? (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=805876&publicationSubCategoryId=64)

What? China now claims the Philippines as part of its territory by historic right? How would the Indonesians, who got here first in 4000-3000 BC and then in 1000 BC, feel? What about the Negritos, who preceded them by 25,000 years? Do not Chinese royal court archives mention trade with Luzon and Mindanao, so there had to be natives here ahead of them? Or were the ancient Chinese fudging trade documents to conceal smuggling, or melamine in infant formula and dog food?

China’s bold assertion was made by beauteous He Jia, news anchor for the nationally broadcast China Central Television (video grab in The STAR front page yesterday). Some say it was accidental; others, intentional. Whatever, what’s notable to the Philippines is that Ms. He looks like the lovelier Filipino radio-TV celebrity Ali Sotto. Is Chinese broadcasting aping the stylish Philippine media?

China laying claim to the Philippines was inevitable. It was beginning to look silly in the eyes of the world, mightily taking over only a part of Philippine waters, the Scarborough Shoal. That lagoon of rocks and sandbars is submerged during high tide. That a shoal, by definition, is uninhabitable shows up China’s historic claim to be farcical. Ancient Chinese may have been smart to invent gunpowder, but they couldn’t have built communities on a spit of rocks and sand 800 miles from Hong Kong, China’s nearest point. Luzon was only 120 more miles away. So China might as well take a step farther and claim the whole Philippines, to bolster its stake over Scarborough. By owning the Philippines, China need not spend millions of dollars exploring oil in the shoal. There’s proven gas at the Batasan.

But then, how would China impose its rule over the Philippines? Would it repopulate the 7,107 islands with Han the way it is doing in breakaway provinces like Tibet and Xinjiang, and prefectures in Sichuan and Qinghai? No need for that. Four of every five Malay-Filipinos have Chinese ancestry. (My maternal grandpa, gong gong, was Chinese, born in Cavite of parents from Fujian.) The risk is that it’s Filipinos who might repopulate China with Malay. Filipinos — taller, darker and handsomer — are more desirable.

China should take a lesson from the US annexation of the Philippines in the first half of the 20th century. The deed prompted thousands of Filipinos to migrate to mainland America in the 1920s-1930s for work. Soon Filipinos not only eased white males out of jobs but also were dating and mating white women. This triggered white nativist riots in Salinas, Stockton, Exeter, and Watsonville, California. A judge in San Francisco was so scandalized at what a Filipino farm worker must have that two white women brawled in the street over him. West Coast states enacted anti-miscegenation laws. Pressure grew so intense that the US Congress passed the Tydings-McDuffie Act of 1934, granting Philippine independence in ten years.

There’s also the risk of sabotage. Maoist Philippine communists are split into three. A Chinese takeover of the Philippines might disintegrate its one ruling party and People’s Liberation Army. Speaking of which, the Philippine army of 120,000 may be only one percent of China’s 11-million strong PLA. But Filipinos are not outgunned. As the nation debates how to eject 32 intruding Chinese vessels in Scarborough, a barrio in Pozorrubio, Pangasinan, and another in Cuenca, Batangas, are hunting down aswang and enkanto. Once found, the phantoms can be dispatched to lead the fight against Chinese domination.

I noticed that arousing nationalist pride seems to be a favorite tactic of repressive/controlled countries. To distact the average citizen and steer them away from thoughts of the actual reality.
You see in this in their spoiled brat Nokor as well.
Richard Aldington is right.

it's good it is now starting to get the attention of international media (which I was wondering weeks back, why they were too silent on this issue). now it is time to emphasize the main reason why china is making a big noise - that they are being bullied by a country like ours? oh, give us a break!

let's see if they will continue to make a noise (talk of war) if half the discussions on the net and international media will be about their domestic troubles.

it's good it is now starting to get the attention of international media (which I was wondering weeks back, why they were too silent on this issue). now it is time to emphasize the main reason why china is making a big noise - that they are being bullied by a country like ours? oh, give us a break!

let's see if they will continue to make a noise (talk of war) if half the discussions on the net and international media will be about their domestic troubles.

I think it was because it coincided with that stupid NoKor rocket :lol:


Anyway, BBC and CNN covering this more seriously, it good news. I hope the DFA is not thinking of backing out now.

Continue Noynoying :lol:

I think it was because it coincided with that stupid NoKor rocket :lol:


Anyway, BBC and CNN covering this more seriously, it good news. I hope the DFA is not thinking of backing out now.

Continue Noynoying :lol:

DFA should stand firm and our politicos needs to grow some balls.

The Philippine troop in the contested area be ready to be machine gunned to death just like what the Chinese did to the Vietnamese troops. They will be sacrificed for the unreliable world opinions. Do our generals have any idea how to defend the isles?

We dont have troops in the Scarborough, we have the CG which is CIVILIAN

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/36395/china-exec-tells-ph-media-to-help-ease-tensions-between-manila-and-beijing

BEIJING—The Philippine press has a role to play in helping ease tensions between Manila and Beijing over their territorial dispute in the South China Sea (West Philippine Sea), a top Chinese official said on Thursday.

Wang Zhongwei, vice minister of China’s State Information Office, said there were some reports in the Philippine media that in his view “do not contribute to easing tensions in the South China Sea.”

But Wang said he noticed there were also some reports that “have presented fair and rational view on the issues.”

“In general, we hope the Philippine government and media can work together with China to ease than aggravate the situation there,” Wang told Asian journalists, including this reporter, who were invited for a two-week press tour of China.

Manila and Beijing have overlapping territorial claims in the South China Sea but never have their relations been so strained until the current standoff over Scarborough Shoal.

For a month now, the two countries have stationed vessels at the shoal, which both claim to be part of their territory.

Wang gave reporters a briefing of the functions of his office which he said “presents China to the rest of the world” and deals with foreign journalists in China.

In general, he said the Asian media “pay unprecedented attention to China” and that Beijing hopes the foreign media will be “more objective, comprehensive and have deeper coverage of China.”

In Manila, senators on Thursday cautioned against comments in the media that could worsen the problem at Scarborough Shoal.

Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV warned that Chinese officials are closely monitoring the utterances of Philippine officials that are quoted in the press.

“So let’s not further aggravate the situation. Anyway, there are already efforts to resolve this diplomatically,” he told a news forum in the Senate.

The Senate foreign relations chair, Loren Legarda, said: “There’s no reason for us to fight each other. Let us focus on the issues that build, instead of the concerns that destroy. There is so much commonality, than the issues that we differ in.”

Trillanes’ experience

Trillanes, a former Navy officer, played down the latest crisis between the Philippines and China saying worse had happened before, but the public never heard about them.

Trillanes recalled a time when “100 Chinese boats” suddenly surrounded the vessel he was on and a large one that also belonged to the Philippine Navy. The vessels were on their way to Japan.

“Those were maritime auxiliary vessels. We were near mainland China but still not within their territorial seas,” Trillanes said. “We had to maneuver our way out of the maze of Chinese vessels. Our smaller boat got out more easily. The larger one took some time, parang patintero” he said.

Trillanes recalled another incident. He was assigned to coast patrol and he and his men boarded a Chinese vessel and inspected it “according to the rule book.”

Trillanes said he was surprised to learn when he landed that the Chinese embassy had complained that his vessel rammed the Chinese vessel, causing it to sink.

“When we learn of vessels being blocked this time, that’s actually commonplace. And this does not happen just on our shores. But the situation could worsen with the way we report and react to these reports,” Trillanes said.

He said Philippine vessels always stood their ground even when confronted by large Chinese boasts.

Trillanes said the Scarborough dispute could serve as the military’s best argument for modernization.

Stop commenting

Sen. Manuel Villar said the public should stop commenting on the dispute over Scarborough Shoal.

“Scarborough Shoal is ours,” Villar said. “We’re not fighting with them. We should support the President here. But the better thing to do is for all of us to keep quiet, and soon enough this will die down.”

Foreign affairs officials, Villar said, should be allowed to work out a peaceful solution with Beijing.

“It’s only through diplomatic means that we can resolve this,” he said. “Besides, only the spokesperson was speaking for China. Let’s not respond to this.”

In a separate interview, Sen. Gregorio Honasan boasted that the Coast Guard and the Navy are prepared to “fight to the last man.”

Why don't they tell their media to stop talking war rhetoric? :poke:

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/video/119198/tensyon-sa-panatag-shoal

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/video/119226/china-nagbabalang-handa-itong-tapatan-ang-hakbang-ng-pilipinas-sa-panatag-shoal

Panetta trying to get UNCLOS ratified

Panetta: U.S. Leadership Needed in Law of the Sea Convention (http://www.defpro.com/news/details/35308/?SID=37d907b81dba4d01c780f043db566e04) 08:19 GMT, May 10, 2012 WASHINGTON | As the globe’s preeminent maritime power, the United States has much to gain in ratifying the United Nations Law of the Sea Convention, U.S. Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta said here May 9.

Panetta spoke at the Law of the Sea Convention forum. Ratifying the treaty, he said, would allow the United States to exert a leadership role in the development and interpretation of the rules that determine legal certainty on the world’s oceans.

Panetta listed five reasons why the Law of the Sea Convention strengthens U.S. national security.

“First, as the world’s preeminent maritime power, and the country with one of the largest coastlines and extended continental shelf, we have more to gain from accession to the convention than any other country,” he said.

Right now, the United States has no seat at the table and is unable to help interpret the “rules of the road” on the oceans. Ratifying the convention “would give us the credibility to support and promote the peaceful resolution of disputes within a rules-based order,” the secretary said. ..

Panetta trying to get UNCLOS ratified

maybe if the news of the stand off reaches Amrikan shores, the Congress will talk about it.

China-Philippines Hacking War: A Missed Opportunity for Beijing? (http://blogs.cfr.org/asia/2012/05/10/china-philippines-hacking-war-a-missed-opportunity-for-beijing/)

China continues to raise the heat in its dispute with the Philippines over the sovereignty of Scarborough Shoal/Huangyan Island. On Monday, He Jia, an anchor on China’s state-run CCTV, mistakenly declared that “China has unquestionable sovereignty over the Philippines” rather than just over the disputed island. On Tuesday, Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Fu Ying warned a Philippine diplomat that China was fully prepared to do anything to respond to escalation. Deep-water drilling has begun near islands in the South China Sea and Chinese travel agencies have reportedly suspended tours to the Philippines. Chinese netizens are fully in support of the claims, and have in many instances criticized the Ministry of Foreign Affairs for not taking more assertive action.

As with previous territorial disputes in East Asia these days (see China-Vietnam, China-Japan, and Korea-Japan), the political, diplomatic, and military maneuvering has a cyber component. On April 20, Chinese hackers attacked the website of the University of the Philippines. The next day, Filipino hackers struck back with the defacement of Chinese websites. On the 23rd and 24th, the two sides again traded tit-for-tat attacks (a very useful timeline up until April 30 can be found here). Attacks have continued over the last week; today attackers pasted the Chinese flag on the website of the Philippines News Agency.

From almost the beginning of the attacks, the Philippines government has called for both sides to stop. On April 22, a Philippines government spokesperson said, “We call on citizens, including ours, to exercise civil temperance.” On April 25, the Philippines’ Department of Science and Technology and Information and Communications Technology Office declared that the attacks were neither sanctioned nor condoned, and on May 10 a spokesman went further in warning that such attacks “will not benefit anyone and could possibly lead to bigger problems in the future for the Philippines and China and escalate the already tense situation at Panatag Shoal (Scarborough Shoal).” This is not a misplaced worry as freelance attacks could make it much more difficult for the two sides to communicate and signal intentions.

Unfortunately, there has been silence from Beijing on the issue. China’s leaders seem to be embracing the conflict, or at least the prospect of conflict, as a welcome distraction from the problems of Chen Guangcheng and Bo Xilai. As Michael Yip and Craig Weber argue, the Chinese government – after years of enrolling students in patriotic education that stresses a history of national humiliation – needs to align itself with and divert away from nationalistic responses to real and perceived slights. Political hacking acts as a diversion – venting resentment away from the regime, focusing web users’ ire on outside actors, and maintaining the government’s nationalistic credentials.

When China’s Minister of Defense General Liang Guanglie was at the Pentagon this week, he talked about how China wanted to work to improve cybersecurity. Beijing could gain a great deal of credibility by doing what the Philippines has done: call on both sides to stop the attacks.

The recent China, a chameleon facing the world
Is China a Chameleon@peterpeng210.blogspot.com
A chameleon is a kind of lizard whose skin changes colour to match the colour of its surroundings. Today, the analysts believe that China has successfully imitated the strategy of chameleons by discarding Chongqing Model represented by Bo Xilai, the former Communist Party Leader of China Chongqing.

The analysts believe this strategy of China works obviously quiet well, as people can see that the relationship between U.S. and China has turned into a new honey period since April of 2012, which is marked by following events:

1. In the nowadays dispute between China and Philippine on Huangyan Island (Panatag Shoal) in the South China Sea, U.S. has taken a neutral stand.

2. After the fourth-round of U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogues concluded in Beijing Friday, U.S. Secretary of State Hilary Clinton expressed at a press briefing that U.S. welcomes a strong and prosperous China.

3. Chinese Defense Minister Liang Guanglie arrived U.S. Friday for an official visit.

4. U.S. dealt flexibly with the Chen Guangcheng incident.

As we know, China is trying to switch its economic developing model from a rough and low technological one to a much healthy model that has high quality, high efficiency and low pollution. Obviously, China has realized that the Chongqing model represented by Bo Xilai would isolate China more in the world and block seriously China’s way to both obtain and export high technologies, which is essential to realize this model-switch.

The Analysts believe, China has still no willing to change much its political system, although U.S. has dreamed the change to happen in China for years. The reason for China is very simple: China has become and is still the second largest economic entity in the world, and the western countries have been still stuck in bad economies since 2008.

Recently by setting Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao as a honey trap to the western world and by discarding the Chongqing model under the excuse of purging Bo Xilai, China is successfully lulling U.S. and widening a bit its way for new development. The chameleon’s way works, as long as only the analysts see Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao as a honey trap to U.S., but U.S. does not.

http://peterpeng210.blogspot.com/2012/05/recent-china-chameleon-facing-world.html

Papa Sugar may be neutral but sometimes actions speak louder than words...:lol::tongue3:

Papa Sugar may be neutral but sometimes actions speak louder than words...:lol::tongue3:

Itong si Papa Sugar, say another, do another :lol::lol::nuts::nuts::nuts:

We have troops in Pag-asa, etc. and they are contested area.

But Pag-asa is not Panatag.

China-Philippines Hacking War: A Missed Opportunity for Beijing? (http://blogs.cfr.org/asia/2012/05/10/china-philippines-hacking-war-a-missed-opportunity-for-beijing/)
At least communist Chinese general Liang GuangLIE lived up to his name... Again.

The Comparativist writes: "I think this is happening because the Philippines is so weak. The Chinese government can beat the war drums all they want, and as loud as they want, and no war is going to happen. It's akin to bullying someone in a wheelchair that you know can't punch back."


Somebody in the Philippines should come up with a caricature depicting this situation vividly. And then the local media should highlight it. Pinoys should spread it in the net so that the international media will highlight this.

Its quite embarrassing for the Philippines but it will show who is bullying who. Obviously, its that huge big fat pirate called China bullying a poor sickly guy in a wheel chair called the Philippines.

If we can't protect The Philippines, you can be damn sure we'll avenge it!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-npgUPaIu2L4/T51L4CUmSgI/AAAAAAAAA_A/eivIQu7a7Hk/s1600/582149_299998436742146_127791920629466_701249_862197004_n%5B1%5D.jpg

Noynoying talaga ang best weapon natin against China's diversion of their internal politics

Hay naku, sana nga no. Eto nalang, just replace Keep swimming with Noynoying.

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Just noy noying, just noy noying. just noy noying. :lol::lol:

If we can't protect The Philippines, you can be damn sure we'll avenge it!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-npgUPaIu2L4/T51L4CUmSgI/AAAAAAAAA_A/eivIQu7a7Hk/s1600/582149_299998436742146_127791920629466_701249_862197004_n%5B1%5D.jpg

Talo na sila sa baba ni Ai Ai :lol:

pano hindi mapipikon ang china sa bansa natin eh ang galing natin sa PR, yun sa kanila may mga "prepare for the sounds of canon." kanino naman kaya bebenta yun... eh yun ating statement ng presidente pa mismo natin ang sabi sa media "i dont think china will go on war with us." saan ka pa, sabayan pa ng DFA at DND na panay payabang ng MDT...hehe kaya yun Pikon talo ang China, at dinadali na tayo sa tourism and economy...

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/36395/china-exec-tells-ph-media-to-help-ease-tensions-between-manila-and-beijing



Why don't they tell their media to stop talking war rhetoric? :poke:

oooopps a communist gov't. dictating the media of a democratic gov't to shut up and control their freedom of expression:lol:

how about they control their media first anyway they could do it in a snap of a finger:lol::bash:

it's not helping because we're winning here we're destroying and damaging the very little international image they have:lol:

it's good it is now starting to get the attention of international media (which I was wondering weeks back, why they were too silent on this issue). now it is time to emphasize the main reason why china is making a big noise - that they are being bullied by a country like ours? oh, give us a break!

let's see if they will continue to make a noise (talk of war) if half the discussions on the net and international media will be about their domestic troubles.

ha ha ha an elephant being bullied by an ant:lol:

I think it was because it coincided with that stupid NoKor rocket :lol:


Anyway, BBC and CNN covering this more seriously, it good news. I hope the DFA is not thinking of backing out now.

Continue Noynoying :lol:

this is actually what worries me right now if our gov't would back out from our claims.:ohno:

^^ I don't think so. Noynoy is very stubborn. I think we should all be stubborn this time. No backing out and hope we attract more attention!

The Philippine troop in the contested area be ready to be machine gunned to death just like what the Chinese did to the Vietnamese troops. They will be sacrificed for the unreliable world opinions. Do our generals have any idea how to defend the isles?

exactly our military should be prepared for this they might do something like what they did to the vietnamese.

^^ I don't think so. Noynoy is very stubborn. I think we should all be stubborn this time. No backing out and hope we attract more attention!

praying that that wuld happen, keep on being stubborn and noynoying it's really doing us good, we're gaining although slowly much int'l attention now and we're unmasking the real face ofthe dragon.

We have been invaded several times in history my friend but we never back down. :lol:

We gave Japanese the hardest time dealing with us back in WWII.

and we also helped pushed back the North Koreans and Chinese PLA north of Seoul's border back in Korean War.

Filipinos are willing to die defending what's ours rather than becoming Beijing floozies. :lol:

If the ASEAN can not make a stand, we will do it on our own.

Giving such insult so I have to give some insult in return - clear & Simple!

Giving such insult so I have to give some insult in return - clear & Simple!

Like what Lilyr said, if you can not handle the truth, stay away from this thread. :lol:

You earn respect through courage, not by cowardice. ;)

and Freedom is not taken for granted or sold, it is sacrificed.

sabi nga dati sa commercial ni robin padilla WALANG AAYAW THINK POSITIVE...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka1p8C6Z3eU

NDI KO MAHANAP YUN ORIGINAL KAYA ITO NAKITA KO SPOOF LANG

I think really the best thing to do at this point, while China is fuming out at it's seams is noynoying. Sometimes you have to use their own force to turn it against them.

I hope that the content of their banners for tomorrow protest would be: Fight for your Right to Know! We love you, From the Philippines! Remember the Tiananmen! :lol:

For sure, those Chicom Parrot media would not broadcast that in their country while we gain more international attention by diverting the Chicom attention from Panatag islands not knowing that we are silently monitoring their internal affairs. :lol:

We would be an odd crowd why we are supporting the Chinese people to fight for their rights. :lol:

eh di magkakaroon na ang China ng New Peoples Army, backed by Pro democracy Philippines:lol:

sila namn ang nasa bundok against the CCP:lol:

^^ I don't think so. Noynoy is very stubborn. I think we should all be stubborn this time. No backing out and hope we attract more attention!

Naiisip ko ano kaya nangyari na sa atin kung hindi si Noynoy presidente. Although disappointing sya nung una, parang okay na ngayon. Namamatay na ang instik sa kanyang pagkamadaldal. :lol:

may gamit din pala ang pagka madaldal:rofl:

may gamit din pala ang pagka madaldal:rofl:

Powerful pala sa foreign policy ang noynoying

onli in da pilipins :lol::lol::lol:

japanese and taiwanese spotted five china warships which are now in the south of taiwan or the northwest of the philippines. they're practicing for philippine isolation from it's allies.

http://mili.cn.yahoo.com/newspic/mili/5878/#1

japanese and taiwanese spotted five china warships which are now in the south of taiwan or the northwest of the philippines. they're practicing for philippine isolation from it's allies.

http://mili.cn.yahoo.com/newspic/mili/5878/#1

you read Chinese?



Noynoying pa rin tayo :lol:

Noynoying is the best FOREIGN policy :lol:

i dont get what people are so happy about here :/


we just allowed the chinese to take scarborough and they didnt have much of a hard time doing it.

We can parade this US MDT all we want, but i dont think the us will help us in the wps. Regardless, this is not something to celebrate - as a matter of fact we should be worried that they so easily took scarborough.

What exactly is the plan for the next chain of islands the chinese will try to take? are we doing anything about that?

Who is happy?

I want to kick a Chicom ass right now!

Naiisip ko ano kaya nangyari na sa atin kung hindi si Noynoy presidente. Although disappointing sya nung una, parang okay na ngayon. Namamatay na ang instik sa kanyang pagkamadaldal. :lol:


If GMA was president All Islands would be sold to the Chinese without a single Filipino Knowing it. :lol:

From the onset of the conflict, China has explicitly been claiming the whole of South China Sea, inclusive of all the islets, i.e. Panatag, Pag-asa, Flat, etc. So it’s not relegated only to Panatag. Everything in the abovementioned sea are part of the ballgame. So the Philippines better prepare at Pag-asa. With regards to the invasion of the Philippines by China, I think their ships at still on the moon. They don’t have the logistics to do such adventure. Gosh, they can’t even cross the Taiwan Strait. And if they do invade, the MDT with the U.S. will come into place. Panatag and Spratleys are a little vague with MDT. So the troops at Pag-asa better prepare their machine guns and howitzers.

japanese and taiwanese spotted five china warships which are now in the south of taiwan or the northwest of the philippines. they're practicing for philippine isolation from it's allies.

http://mili.cn.yahoo.com/newspic/mili/5878/#1

This was what my Filipino friend living in China was telling me.

So Mr Grey, this China constantly hitting on us, do you think it is to hide from their citizens what is going on domestically? Their problems right now are scandalous -- Bo Xi Lai, military coup and recently the Chen incident

So Mr Grey, this China constantly hitting on us, do you think it is to hide from their citizens what is going on domestically? Their problems right now are scandalous -- Bo Xi Lai, military coup and recently the Chen incident

add also their newly publicized export product - ground dead fetuses.

So those in the Phils, how the crowd looking like? It's nearly 12

Global protest vs China to cite people-to-people ties while blaming Beijing (http://www.interaksyon.com/article/31556/global-protest-vs-china-to-cite-people-to-people-ties-while-blaming-beijing)

MANILA, Philippines – Filipinos joining a “global day of protest” against China’s aggression are expected to underscore the strong, centuries-old friendship between the two peoples, and to pin the blame on the maritime standoff at Panatag Shoal on the government in Beijing.

Sources in the organizers’ camp told InterAksyon.com the people’s manifesto, to be read in protests in front of Chinese embassies and consulates in at least nine countries on Friday, May 11, will stress that the protesters “have no quarrel” with the Chinese people, with whom Filipinos share centuries of economic and cultural ties, and acknowledge the immense contribution of “Filipinos of Chinese descent” in “building, and continuing to build, our nation.”

In Manila, Philippine groups that will mobilize on Friday for the global protest against China vowed to hold a peaceful activity, but at the same time send across a strong message that the Filipinos will stand pat on their country’s sovereignty over the Panatag, also called Scarborough Shoal, just off Zambales province in Western Luzon.

Similar protests will be held on Friday by Filipinos based in the United States, Canada, Australia, South Africa, the United Arab Emirates, Hong Kong, Thailand and Germany.

To spice up the gathering in the Philippines at 12 noon of Friday, there will be collective dancing by participants to the music of "Kung Fu fighting," and collective singing of the national anthem. Some participants will also wear boat effigies. :rofl:

Participants will perform a collective street dance to the tune of Kung Fu Fighting, a 1974 hit that was revived in 2008 for the animation Kung Fu Panda, as boat effigies parade on the streets. The highlight of the event will be the singing of the Philippine National Anthem to stress that the Philippines has undisputed territorial jurisdiction over the shoal, according to Emman Hizon, communications officer of the Akbayan partylist group.

Beijing had rejected the Philippines’s assertion that Panatag lies well within the Philippines’s 200-mile exclusive economic zone (EEZ), and also dismissed Manila’s bid to raise the issue to the International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea (ITLOS).

“We are expecting 1,500 people will join. We are also expecting walk-ins,” Hizon said. The protest will be held in front of the Chinese consulate on Gul Puyat Avenue in Makati City.

Aside from Akbayan, the Black and White Movement, People Power Volunteer for Reforms, student council alliances, Muslim groups and fisherfolk organizations will join the rally.

The US Pinoys for Good Governance, chaired by Loida Nicolas-Lewis, was among the organizers of the event, which will see Manila and key cities in the United States, Canada and Australia, and Asian cities go to the streets on May 11 to pressure Beijing to abandon the shoal.

Akbayan party-list Representative Walden Bello said the activity aims to “underline to China that government enjoys near unanimous popular support from the people.” “It also aims to add pressure for China to understand that our people will not accept a resolution of issues by force,” he said.

Risa Hontiveros, Akbayan national spokesperson, said the global action is not directed against the Chinese people. “We are in solidarity with the Chinese people. What we are opposing are policies, the bullying of the Chinese government in the region,” she said.

Hontiveros hopes that the action would call the attention of the international community and internationalize the issue. “We hope the action will contribute in convincing China to sit in a multilateral platform such as the International Tribunal of the Law of the Sea (ITLOS,)” she added.

In a separate news conference, Speaker Feliciano Belmonte Jr. said that he supports the claim of the Philippines, but added that the diplomatic move remains the best route. “I think instead of doing all of those things we should continue doing our dialogues,” he said.

you read Chinese?



Noynoying pa rin tayo :lol:

Noynoying is the best FOREIGN policy :lol:

:yes::D the best talaga:lol:

Sana ppunta nalang sila ng Scarborough, i-exorcize mga Chinese :lol:

Church leader prays for peace on eve of protest vs China 'bullying' (http://www.interaksyon.com/article/31560/church-leader-prays-for-peace-on-eve-of-protest-vs-china-bullying)

MANILA, Philippines - Fearing that the tension may lead to war, the executive secretary of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines-Commission on Social Communication and Mass Media urged Filipinos to pray for peace on the eve of a global day of protest against Chinese aggression in Scarborough Shoal.

Fr. Francis Lucas said on Thursday in a phone interview, “I would like to call on everybody of all religions in the Philippines, especially to pray because today in the world, it is the culture of death that prevails instead of the culture of life.”

Lucas also appealed to the government to prevent, by all means possible, any possible “degeneration [of the situation] and disaster that leads to war”.

Several organizations are set to lead protest actions against China’s bullying in the West Philippine Sea on Friday, May 11. In a statement released Thursday, Akbayan party said that the “global day of action” is already set to protest in the Chinese Consular Office in Makati.

“Everything is set. Many organizations and social movements have committed to join the event. We are expecting a large number of Filipino people to troop to the Chinese Consular Office,” Akbayan chief Emman Hizon said.

Hizon said the activity with the rallying cry, “Stand up against China’s bullying” will start at exactly 12 noon Friday in front of different Chinese embassies and consular offices around the globe. He said protest actions are set in Washington DC, Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, San Francisco and Houston in the United States.

Protest activities will also be held in Rome, Vancouver, Hong Kong, Sydney and Singapore.

Besides Akbayan, other groups to join the mobilization are: Black and White movement, People Power Volunteers for Reforms (PPVR), Kilusan para sa Makabansang Ekonomiya (KME), Rebolusyonaryong Alyansang Makabansa (RAM), El Elyon Youth, Grain New Wine & Oil Ministries, Southern Philippines Muslim Unity & Development Association, Student Council Alliance of the Philippines (SCAP).

Lucas, however, reminded people who will join the rally to express their grievances in a peaceful manner. "All we can do now is to pray so there would be a peaceful solution, so we don’t come up with a strategy of dog eats dog," he said.

i dont get what people are so happy about here :/


we just allowed the chinese to take scarborough and they didnt have much of a hard time doing it.

We can parade this US MDT all we want, but i dont think the us will help us in the wps. Regardless, this is not something to celebrate - as a matter of fact we should be worried that they so easily took scarborough.

What exactly is the plan for the next chain of islands the chinese will try to take? are we doing anything about that?

I'm pretty sure they're going to be there. ;)

We have to be happy because we should be instead of worrying.

We are irritating them with non-violence while they are doing their best to scare us in the middle of their internal issues.

imo the real issue in china why this very strong rhetorics from the military is that, october is coming and the military don't want to be left out watching the power struggle. If we have noticed, much of those rhetorics came from china's military.

From the onset of the conflict, China has explicitly been claiming the whole of South China Sea, inclusive of all the islets, i.e. Panatag, Pag-asa, Flat, etc. So it’s not relegated only to Panatag. Everything in the abovementioned sea are part of the ballgame. So the Philippines better prepare at Pag-asa. With regards to the invasion of the Philippines by China, I think their ships at still on the moon. They don’t have the logistics to do such adventure. Gosh, they can’t even cross the Taiwan Strait. And if they do invade, the MDT with the U.S. will come into place. Panatag and Spratleys are a little vague with MDT. So the troops at Pag-asa better prepare their machine guns and howitzers.


Yes, i think this is why we need to turn the attention from scarborough to thinking about what are we going to do to prevent something like this from happening again.

I do think that increasing our presence and building up some sort of credible defence in the spratlys could work. As you say, im not sure if china's navy is yet capable of enforcing the entire SCS - the more we build up now, the harder it will be for them.

Likewise, we need to start taking a hard look at benham rise - if there is a silver lining in this whole mess, its that we do now have undisputed claim on the eastern seaboard - although securing what we can now on the west should be prioritized.

Yes, i think this is why we need to turn the attention from scarborough to thinking about what are we going to do to prevent something like this from happening again.

I do think that increasing our presence and building up some sort of credible defence in the spratlys could work. As you say, im not sure if china's navy is yet capable of enforcing the entire SCS - the more we build up now, the harder it will be for them.

Likewise, we need to start taking a hard look at benham rise - if there is a silver lining in this whole mess, its that we do now have undisputed claim on the eastern seaboard - although securing what we can now on the west should be prioritized.

are you saying we just give up that panatag shoal that easy:lol: our gov't now is doing good we just need to support it in this standoff.

I'm pretty sure they're going to be there. ;)

We have to be happy because we should be instead of worrying.

We are irritating them with non-violence while they are doing their best to scare us in the middle of their internal issues.

i wish that were the case- but i dont think so

we need to think of it from the american point of view

do they really want war with china? no

The wording with regards to the SCS is ambiguous, and the americans will likely use that as their excuse...- and we shouldnt blame them for this - having to rely on them in the first place is what we should really be worried about. We should be able to defend our own claims and sovereignty so that hopefully we have no repeats of scarborough shoal 2012.

are you saying we just give up that panatag shoal that easy:lol: our gov't now is doing good we just need to support it in this standoff.

no - but i dont see much of a solution there - its 2 vs 30, painfully obvious therse nothing we can do about. Keep the 2 ships there if you must

what im worried about is:

What is the governments plan for securing our other claims so that we do not have any more situations like what just happened?

Corollary to the South China Sea imbroglio, the Philippines can claim the whole of Philippine Sea (triple the size of South China Sea) because it is named Philippine Sea.

i wish that were the case- but i dont think so

we need to think of it from the american point of view

do they really want war with china? no

The wording with regards to the SCS is ambiguous, and the americans will likely use that as their excuse...- and we shouldnt blame them for this - having to rely on them in the first place is what we should really be worried about. We should be able to defend our own claims and sovereignty so that hopefully we have no repeats of scarborough shoal 2012.

Nobody wants to have a war with any country even PROC.

Let's just face the music - there is no backing down from this point. If we give up what we are fighting for, we let them win.

So far, our approaches are very peaceful, non-violent means in approaching the bully. We would never be judged as an aggressor.

If China does something drastic, the world will turn against them, not us.

no - but i dont see much of a solution there - its 2 vs 30, painfully obvious therse nothing we can do about. Keep the 2 ships there if you must

what im worried about is:

What is the governments plan for securing our other claims so that we do not have any more situations like what just happened?

i don't know if you are reading the news lately (or the past few months). for the first time after previous administrations (after marcos), aquino is starting to build up the military, it is painfully slow but at least it is on-going - we are building naval defenses, what else do you want? can you be more specific?

are you saying we just give up that panatag shoal that easy:lol: our gov't now is doing good we just need to support it in this standoff.

Exactly! :) We have been very patient in fighting for what is right here. No threats or intimidation should stand in our way.

hehe they are watching us in 3D... hahaha

4,000 Chinese islands under 3D watch

BEIJING - China has adopted three-dimensional (3D) visual management over 4,000 islands, according to an annual report released Thursday by the Ministry of Land and Resources.

Three-dimensional visual information of these islands is collected via ground vehicles, airplanes and satellites.

Meanwhile, 2,851 islands have been put under aviation monitoring and surveillance, and 45 islands along baseline points of China's territorial waters are under ground watch, the report said.

All the historical data of Chinese islands have been processed and put into a database to strengthen island management, the report said.

The government last year also released its first list of uninhabited islands available for development in the country, the report said.

According to the report, China's ocean-related industries totaled 4.56 trillion yuan (724.49 billion U.S. dollars) in output in 2011, an increase of 10.4 percent from a year earlier.

The figure accounted for 9.7 percent for the country's total GDP, the report said.

The share of ocean-related industries in the Pan-Bohai region stood at 36.1 percent, while that of the Yangtze River Delta and the Pearl River Delta was 30.1 percent and 21.5 percent, respectively, the report said.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012-05/11/content_15264159.htm