Exactly! :) We have been very patient in fighting for what is right here. No threats or intimidation should stand in our way.

China is not a democracy. They are used to using to have to force power on their citizens while the Philippines is the opposite. We can topple who is sitting :lol:

Kaya they hate our noynoying. Noynoying stage palang yan ha. :lol: Hindi pa yan "democracy at work" :lol:

"If China does something drastic, the world will turn against them, not us."

Really? Tell that to the Vietnamese.

"If China does something drastic, the world will turn against them, not us."

Really? Tell that to the Vietnamese.

If you're talking about the Paracels, that was 1988. They were not part of the UN and ties between the US has not been restored until 1992. And basically politics back then was US and the allies vs USSR and the allies. Not the kind of complexity we have nowadays

ok here's another propaganda from china saying the rallyist in manila is paid 300 pesos :lol:
according to the tsikom some binondo shop owners are already complaining of their possible losses from this useless rally. eto ang mga tinatawag na traidor.

kayo na bahala mag google translate ulit :lol:
http://news.cn.yahoo.com/ypen/20120511/1040004.html

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/36395/china-exec-tells-ph-media-to-help-ease-tensions-between-manila-and-beijing

China exec tells PH media to help ease tensions between Manila and Beijing

Why don't they tell their media to stop talking war rhetoric? :poke:

It sounds funny when a Communist country dictates the Press from the Land of the Free what to do...

"If China does something drastic, the world will turn against them, not us."

Really? Tell that to the Vietnamese.

Vietnam isn't really high on the list. 1, because they have a more credible (not to mention defensive) posture than us with the Chinese 2, When the Paracel islands massacre happened, I believe that US and Vietnam ties had not been resumed yet and lastly, related to 1 we are a little more known in the Western hemisphere thus if China decides to shoot first they will lose all that facade of a "peaceful rise" and might even lose their UN seat (latter part is a wish!):lol:

ok here's another propaganda from china saying the rallyist in manila is paid 300 pesos :lol:
according to the tsikom some binondo shop owners are already complaining of their possible losses from this useless rally. eto ang mga tinatawag na traidor.

kayo na bahala mag google translate ulit :lol:
http://news.cn.yahoo.com/ypen/20120511/1040004.html

Why are they complaining on losses (kahit fake news) just because of a protest? Eh sila nga itong nagcacancel ng tourism :lol::lol::lol:

Military now mum on Panatag situation
By Jaime Laude (The Philippine Star) Updated May 11, 2012 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Defense and military officials are now withholding comment on developments in Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal off Zambales that is also being claimed by China.

“Statements on monitoring of the situation is no longer within our level,” a military official based in Northern Luzon told The STAR yesterday, referring to the ongoing standoff in Panatag Shoal, which is 124 nautical miles from Masinloc, Zambales.

The Northern Luzon Command (Nolcom) under Lt. Gen. Anthony Alcantara has operational jurisdiction over Panatag Shoal.

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) is now dealing with all underlying matters resulting from the month-long territorial standoff.

“Huwag natin palakihin pa (Let’s not make this issue bigger),” Gazmin said, referring to the series of pronouncements coming from Beijing, including a claim made by a Chinese television commentator saying that the Philippines belongs to China.

China also declared its readiness for “any escalation” in the event the Panatag Shoal standoff worsens.

A month ago yesterday, two Chinese Maritime Surveillance Vessels (CMS) prevented the Philippine Navy flagship BRP Gregorio del Pilar from arresting Chinese fishermen who were poaching inside the lagoon of Panatag Shoal.

The standoff continued after Beijing deployed one of its modern ships, the FLEC (Fisheries and Law Enforcement Command) 310 in the area in support of their other vessels that are now pre-positioned in the mouth of the lagoon.

Local fishermen from Masinloc, Zambales complained that Chinese vessels have barred them from entering Panatag Shoal.

Members of the militant fisherfolk group Pamalakaya dared presidential spokesman Edwin Lacierda and Defense Secretary Gazmin to visit Panatag Shoal to see how Filipino fishermen are being barred from entering the lagoon in Panatag Shoal that is also called Bajo de Masinloc and Karburo by local fishermen.

“The people and the local government of Masinloc are telling the world that small fishermen are barred from entering Panatag Shoal,” said Fernando Hicap, Pamalakaya president.

Masinloc Mayor Desiree Edora said that Chinese vessels have prevented local fishermen from fishing inside the lagoon of Bajo de Masinloc.

Edora’s municipal secretary RJay Bautista said that these recent incidents at Bajo de Masinloc have been recorded by the Navy and by the Nolcom troops who interviewed the fishermen following their return from Panatag Shoal last Sunday.

Meanwhile, the defense department is also mum on the decision of Chinese travel agencies to suspend tourist packages to the Philippines.

“Let us not blow that up. We’ll just let the DFA (Department of Foreign Affairs) answer that,” Gazmin said.

Rommel Banlaoi, executive director of think tank Philippine Institute for Peace, Violence and Terrorism Research, dismissed the move of the Chinese travel agencies.

“That is not prudent for China to suspend tourist packages to the Philippines amid the Panatag Shoal standoff,” Banlaoi said.

“If that is true, it is not a friendly gesture, considering that years 2012 and 2013 have been declared years of friendly exchanges between the Philippines and China,” he added. With Alexis Romero

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=805845&publicationSubCategoryId=63

I guess you misunderstood his post. He meant close this thread because it's already beyond 1,000 posts. There's new thread for that. :)

His post was too vague!

Military now mum on Panatag situation (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=805845&publicationSubCategoryId=63)
By Jaime Laude (The Philippine Star) Updated May 11, 2012 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Defense and military officials are now withholding comment on developments in Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal off Zambales that is also being claimed by China.

“Statements on monitoring of the situation is no longer within our level,” a military official based in Northern Luzon told The STAR yesterday, referring to the ongoing standoff in Panatag Shoal, which is 124 nautical miles from Masinloc, Zambales.

The Northern Luzon Command (Nolcom) under Lt. Gen. Anthony Alcantara has operational jurisdiction over Panatag Shoal.

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) is now dealing with all underlying matters resulting from the month-long territorial standoff.

“Huwag natin palakihin pa (Let’s not make this issue bigger),” Gazmin said, referring to the series of pronouncements coming from Beijing, including a claim made by a Chinese television commentator saying that the Philippines belongs to China.

China also declared its readiness for “any escalation” in the event the Panatag Shoal standoff worsens.

A month ago yesterday, two Chinese Maritime Surveillance Vessels (CMS) prevented the Philippine Navy flagship BRP Gregorio del Pilar from arresting Chinese fishermen who were poaching inside the lagoon of Panatag Shoal.

The standoff continued after Beijing deployed one of its modern ships, the FLEC (Fisheries and Law Enforcement Command) 310 in the area in support of their other vessels that are now pre-positioned in the mouth of the lagoon.

Local fishermen from Masinloc, Zambales complained that Chinese vessels have barred them from entering Panatag Shoal.

Members of the militant fisherfolk group Pamalakaya dared presidential spokesman Edwin Lacierda and Defense Secretary Gazmin to visit Panatag Shoal to see how Filipino fishermen are being barred from entering the lagoon in Panatag Shoal that is also called Bajo de Masinloc and Karburo by local fishermen.

“The people and the local government of Masinloc are telling the world that small fishermen are barred from entering Panatag Shoal,” said Fernando Hicap, Pamalakaya president.

Masinloc Mayor Desiree Edora said that Chinese vessels have prevented local fishermen from fishing inside the lagoon of Bajo de Masinloc.

Edora’s municipal secretary RJay Bautista said that these recent incidents at Bajo de Masinloc have been recorded by the Navy and by the Nolcom troops who interviewed the fishermen following their return from Panatag Shoal last Sunday.

Meanwhile, the defense department is also mum on the decision of Chinese travel agencies to suspend tourist packages to the Philippines.

“Let us not blow that up. We’ll just let the DFA (Department of Foreign Affairs) answer that,” Gazmin said.

Rommel Banlaoi, executive director of think tank Philippine Institute for Peace, Violence and Terrorism Research, dismissed the move of the Chinese travel agencies.

“That is not prudent for China to suspend tourist packages to the Philippines amid the Panatag Shoal standoff,” Banlaoi said.

“If that is true, it is not a friendly gesture, considering that years 2012 and 2013 have been declared years of friendly exchanges between the Philippines and China,” he added. With Alexis Romero

Baket 2 ang Philippine Defense Forces open thread? :ohno:

Fil-Ams protest China 'bullying' but gov't steps back (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/-depth/05/11/12/fil-ams-protest-china-bullying-govt-steps-back)

WASHINGTON D.C. - The first step in confronting a bully is to call him out, said organizers of Friday’s (May 11) protest by concerned Filipino Americans at the Chinese Embassy even as Philippine officials made it known they were on their own.
The Washington DC picket has been dubbed “Stop China’s Bullying of the Philippines, ASEAN and Mr. Chen & Family” – a rather extended title for a protest action that’s only planned to last the noon-break hour – but reveals the strategy of Fil-Ams to broaden support for the country’s defense of maritime borders against powerhouse China.

“We are showing the world that China is a bully,” said Eric Lachica, one of the protest organizers. The David-vs-Goliath confrontation in the South China Sea has been exacerbated by recent statements from ranking Chinese officials, warning it was ready to escalate what is for the moment a “word war” to one where they resort to force.

The US Pinoys for Good Government (USP4GG), a group composed mainly of President Aquino’s staunchest Fil-Am supporters, organized the protests slated for Washington DC, New York, San Francisco, Chicago, Los Angeles and Seattle.

But the Department of Foreign Affairs has distanced itself from the protests.

“Secretary of Foreign Affairs (Albert del Rosario) and I are not endorsing the rally which the USP4GG is organizing. If anyone is saying that, please make sure that that statement is corrected,” Ambassador Jose L. Cuisia Jr. said in a statement posted on the Philippine Embassy. That posting was pulled out earlier this week for unknown reasons.

“Outmatched by China in terms of naval capabilities, the Philippines has looked to the United States and other countries to help pressure Beijing to respect international law in resolving the South China Sea disputes and to bolster Philippine capacity,” an assessment by the DC-based Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) said.

Ships from at least 2 Chinese agencies have figured in the recent stand-off at Scarborough Shoal, about 130 miles west of Zambales Province. Neither their navy nor coast guard has been involved, yet.

The China Maritime Surveillance (CMS) is responsible for patrolling their exclusive economic zone; and the Fisheries Law Enforcement Command (FLEC) is charged with overseeing their fishing laws. Between the two they reportedly have an armada of over 300 ships.

The Chinese People’s Liberation Navy has more than 500 combat ships, including a 990-foot aircraft carrier. The Philippine Navy lists 84 ships but many of them are vintage World War II and the biggest is the 378-foot BRP Gregorio del Pilar acquired from the US Coast Guard.

Despite such glaring discrepancy, the People’s Liberation Army Daily warned the Philippines against attempting “to take away half an inch of China’s territory” as if this was even possible. An editorial in state-run Global Times said the world should not be surprised if the Scarborough standoff deteriorates into armed clashes.

These have only fueled charges of Chinese bullying which it apparently resents. After the Philippines pulled out the BRP Gregorio del Pilar from Scarborough Shoal and replaced it with the unarmed Coast Guard search and rescue vessel BRP Edsa II, Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Fu Ying summoned Philippine Charge d’affaires Alex Chua to protest perceived provocations.

“The Chinese side has also made all preparations to respond to any escalation of the situation by the Philippine side,” a statement from Beijing said after the meeting.

"A strong showing of support and solidarity by Filipinos in the Diaspora will impress on China that it is not just confronting a small country that it can easily bully, but one that has citizens scattered throughout the world who can mobilize and galvanize public opinion against China," said USP4GG president Rodel Rodis in California.

Lachica told ABS-CBN News they have talked with friends on Capitol Hill, including California Rep. Dana Rohrabacher who promised to push for the re-filing of House Resolution 352 introduced last July that “reaffirms US support for the peaceful resolution of maritime territorial disputes in the South China Sea.”

The resolution, which failed to muster enough votes to move forward, welcomed the diplomacy of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), Taiwan, Japan and South Korea, and “supports US Armed Forces operations in support of freedom of navigation rights in international waters and air space in the South China Sea, the East China Sea, the Taiwan Strait, and the Yellow Sea.”

Lachica said they asked protesters to wear dark sunglasses tomorrow to show solidarity with blind Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng, who has been a thorn on Beijing’s side for exposing the government’s coercive and sometimes violent population control methods.

He escaped from house arrest just as State Secretary Hillary Clinton was visiting for a top level conference with Chinese officials. Faced with prospects of losing face while the whole world watched, Chinese officials relented and allowed him to leave for the US.

It is a template for fighting a mighty power like China that Lachica and other Fil-Ams are trying to copy. He said there will be more mass protests until China changes its demeanor and stops the alleged bullying of her neighbors.

d5C-wf2sDDE

:ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

d5C-wf2sDDE

:ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

Ututan lang natin mukha nila :lol:

That "war rhetoric" from China must have gotten the attention of the international press

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/10/david-against-goliath-on-south-china-sea/#comment

(maraming bitter pala at inalis natin ang "Disneyland" nila sa Subic :lol:)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/philippines/9258225/Chinese-media-warns-of-war-with-Philippines.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-18016901

I just got a phone call from RESCOM (http://www.army.mil.ph/Army_Sites/INFANTRY%20DIVISIONS/arescom/index.html) advising me to prepare for a call of duty. My friends also received the same call, others by mail. This could be another drill or war is really inevitable!

Ututan lang natin mukha nila :lol:

80% Chinese surveyed says that their government should use military force to respond on the dispute on Scarborough Shoal.

Tayo kapayapaan ang gusto sa pagresolba nito, sila naman giyera. :ohno:

That "war rhetoric" from China must have gotten the attention of the international press

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/10/david-against-goliath-on-south-china-sea/#comment

(maraming bitter pala at inalis natin ang "Disneyland" nila sa Subic :lol:)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/philippines/9258225/Chinese-media-warns-of-war-with-Philippines.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-18016901

Isa ako sa ampalaya:D

David and Goliath?

alam na sino panalo:rofl:

80% Chinese surveyed says that their government should use military force to respond on the dispute on Scarborough Shoal.

Tayo kapayapaan ang gusto sa pagresolba nito, sila naman giyera. :ohno:

a fart for peace. Hindi naman tayo papatay, panghimatay lang :lol::lol:

80% Chinese surveyed says that their government should use military force to respond on the dispute on Scarborough Shoal.

Tayo kapayapaan ang gusto sa pagresolba nito, sila naman giyera. :ohno:

Our president is half-Chinese so what can we do? He will surely embrace Chinese rule after a military confrontation ended up with the surrender of Filipino soldiers!

Yes, i think this is why we need to turn the attention from scarborough to thinking about what are we going to do to prevent something like this from happening again.

I do think that increasing our presence and building up some sort of credible defence in the spratlys could work. As you say, im not sure if china's navy is yet capable of enforcing the entire SCS - the more we build up now, the harder it will be for them.

Likewise, we need to start taking a hard look at benham rise - if there is a silver lining in this whole mess, its that we do now have undisputed claim on the eastern seaboard - although securing what we can now on the west should be prioritized.

You sound like a China man right now. I hope you are not a Filipino. It's very disappointing. Once they take over Scarborough people in Zambales can no longer fish around that area. Then China will go after the Spratly Islands next. Everything will be affected including our security. You sound like you're giving up without even trying every possible way to get things our way. I am a Filipino American, but, If it ever comes down to it, I will go home and proudly die for my country.

SAN FRANCISCO - Filipino-American community leaders flocked to the Philippine Center in San Francisco in preparation for a global protest in front of Chinese embassies and consulates on Friday.
Expected to draw thousands of people, organizers said, they want to show the power of Filipinos living in the diaspora.

“It really shows the power of the Filipinos in the diaspora because as we point out China can bully the Philippines but the 12 million of us out all over the world, we can influence world public opinion," Rodel Rodis, president of the US Pinoys for Good Governance said.

The Philippine Consulate in San Francisco said while it does not endorse the global protest in front of Chinese embassies and consulates on Friday, it respects the exercise of free speech.

“We respect and recognize these independent initiatives of the civil society, in exercising their rights to freedom,” said San Francisco Consulate Deputy Consul Doy Ver.

The Philippines and China have been in conflict over territorial rights of Scarborough Shoal, located about 123 miles west of Subic Bay.

The Philippine government wants to discuss this conflict with China before the United Nations Convention on the Laws of the Sea, but China insists on bilateral talks with the Philippines. President Noynoy Aquino is urged by Philippine lawmakers to consider this.

Gabriela USA Chair Racquel Redondiez agreed that a one-on-one meeting between the Philippines and China is the best way to solve the conflict.

“When there is a conflict between siblings or friends, you usually want to start talking one-on-one before you bring in other people or mediators,” she said.

Redondiez said her group is against the global protest in front of Chinese embassies and consulates, because she believes it will only worsen the conflict between China and the Philippines.

“The China threat is being used by the US to actually further trample on our national sovereignty. We know that the Visiting Forces Agreement is unconstitutional,” she added.

But those supporting the global protest against China said it’s about time Filipinos all over the world show that they will fight for their homeland.

Rodis said bilateral talks with China will not make an impact unlike a global protest.

“We vote. We have influence with members of congress. We have influence as consumers. We have a power here that we can bring to bear in support of the Philippines,” he conclud

Tuta ng Tsina..bakit di nalang sya dun nagpunta? :lol:

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/05/10/12/fil-am-leaders-divided-over-ph-china-standoff

80% Chinese surveyed says that their government should use military force to respond on the dispute on Scarborough Shoal.

Tayo kapayapaan ang gusto sa pagresolba nito, sila naman giyera. :ohno:
Kung gusto nila ng gyera, bigyan natin sila ng gyera. Mga hambugero lang mga yan kumo meron silang malalakas na armas. mayayabang lang yan!

Ututan lang natin mukha nila :lol:
baka ibalik nila sa ire ang top gun video... mayayabang at malalakas lang sa propaganda.:bash:

Tuta ng Tsina..bakit di nalang sya dun nagpunta? :lol:

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/05/10/12/fil-am-leaders-divided-over-ph-china-standoff

sya na lang kaya mag one on one with the tsikom?:lol: :bash:kung minsan sana konting delicadeza naman, obvious ka na nga na pro china tapos ipamukha mo pa talagang wala ka ng silbi sa bansa mo. There's no way for us but to eradicate these communist fronts in the philippines the sooner the better.

Our president is half-Chinese so what can we do? He will surely embrace Chinese rule after a military confrontation ended up with the surrender of Filipino soldiers!

pag ganito ang mangyari sisiguraduhin nila na kipot na ang bungaga nya lagi:lol: o di kaya si kris di na pedeng dumaldal:lol:

Nagstart na ba ang "concert" sa harap ng Chinese embassy? :lol:

pag ganito ang mangyari sisiguraduhin nila na kipot na ang bungaga nya lagi:lol: o di kaya si kris di na pedeng dumaldal:lol:

at rasyon na rin ang pagkain natin:D lights off at 6pm:D

LV bags no more:lol:

at rasyon na rin ang pagkain natin:D lights off at 6pm:D

LV bags no more:lol:

May milagrong mangyayari. :naughty::lol:

at rasyon na rin ang pagkain natin:D lights off at 6pm:D

LV bags no more:lol:

di naman ah, dami na pera ng mga tsikom, di na uso rasyon ngayon:lol: lv bags meron pa rin yan fake nga lang:lol: nalimutan nyo na bakit ba ang hilig mag immitate ng mgfachinese? dahil iniencourageeto ng gobyerno nila, sa gusto nilang mapataas ang status ng buhay ng mga pulubi nila.

Mag-aaral na ako ng pagpana. Marunong na rin ako bumaril. Ang problema lang ay kung pano umasinta. :D


Anyway here's me trying traditional Bhutanese archery for the first time...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/528477_10150939025736282_530586281_12205521_230620213_n.jpg

Si Afuang nanaman? :lol:

Anti-China activities in Makati City got to a heated start Friday morning after police stopped a former policeman and mayor from burning the Chinese flag in front of the Chinese consulate.

Former Laguna mayor Abner Afuang shouted at police personnel who stopped him from setting fire to the flag, radio dzBB's Sam Nielsen reported.

"Bawal daw magsunog... Nakakahiya kayo ... Mga pulis patola kayo," Afuang told the policemen.

The report said the police seized other Chinese flags from Afuang's vehicle.

Afuang had just poured gas on one of the flags and had lighted a torch he was using to set fire to the flag when police stopped him.

"If I have to burn it every day, I will burn it. I have money," Afuang later told reporters.

When asked why he was angry at China, Afuang said he was not angry at China but pointed out that "they (China) are bullying us."

He was referring to the one-month standoff between the Philippines and China at Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal.

Other groups, including one allied with President Benigno Aquino III, were scheduled to hold anti-China activities in the area Friday.

Meanwhile, security remained tight at the consulate area, with more than 100 police keeping guard against troublemakers.

Earlier, Makati police said they will observe maximum tolerance but said they will not hesitate to call in anti-riot police reinforcements from the Southern Police District if needed. –KG, GMA News

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/257832/news/metromanila/cops-stop-flag-burning-at-anti-china-protest-in-makati

Mag-aaral na ako ng pagpana. Marunong na rin ako bumaril. Ang problema lang ay kung pano umasinta. :D


Anyway here's me trying traditional Bhutanese archery for the first time...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/528477_10150939025736282_530586281_12205521_230620213_n.jpg

Punta ka sa Zamables sa mga aeta dun..magaling daw sila. Sila nagturo ng jungle trainung sa kano nung vietnam war

I just got a phone call from RESCOM (http://www.army.mil.ph/Army_Sites/INFANTRY%20DIVISIONS/arescom/index.html) advising me to prepare for a call of duty. My friends also received the same call, others by mail. This could be another drill or war is really inevitable!

God bless our soldiers!

Si Afuang nanaman? :lol:



http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/257832/news/metromanila/cops-stop-flag-burning-at-anti-china-protest-in-makati

buti pa si Afuang, may afuang balls:lol:

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/257830/ulatfilipino/balitangpinoy/mga-pinoy-nananawagan-na-lisanin-na-ng-china-ang-panatag-shoal

Kasabay sa isang kilos-protesta laban sa pag-angkin ng China sa Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal, nanawagan nitong Biyernes ang isang party-list group sa Beijing na lisanin na ang lugar at ihinto na ang pambu-bully nito.

Ayon sa sulat-pahayag ng Akbayan party-list group, nagkaisa ang mga Pilipino sa buong mundo sa panawagang ihinto na ng China ang tangka nitong pag-ankin sa pinagtatalunang shoal na umano'y halatang pag-aari ng Pilipinas.

"Today, Filipinos from different parts of the world rise up to confront the bullying of the Chinese government in the region. We hope China hears us loud and clear. We may be a small nation, but we will not let our country's sovereignty be trampled upon," ayon kay Akbayan acting president Marie Chris Cabreros.

Ayon sa Akbayan, ang kilos-protesta na tinaguriang "Global Day of Action against China's bullying in the West Philippine Sea," ay ang pinakamalaking pagkilos ng mga Pilipino para sa "immediate pull out" ng China sa teritoryo ng Pilipinas.

'The world is watching'

Ayon kay Cabreros ang "global protest" ay naglalayon na kalampagin ang international community ukol sa tensyon sa Panatag shoal.

"International opinion is one of the best deterrents against China's overbearing attitude in the region," aniya.

"We would like to expose the Chinese government's lack of respect for international law and the sovereign rights of its neighbors," dagdag pa ni Cabreros.

Binatkos din ng Akbayan paghain ng travel advisory ng Chinese foreign ministry na pinag-iingat ang mga Chinese national sa Pilipinas laban sa posibleng paghihiganti ng mga Piliino.

Ayon sa Akbayan, ang protesta ay laban sa patuloy na panghihimasok ng Chinese vessels sa Panatag Shoal at hindi laban sa mga Tsino.

"Our protest action is directed against the policies and the bullying of the Chinese government in the Panatag shoal. It is not a demonstration against the Chinese people," ayon kay Cabreros.

Gayun din, nakiusap si Cabreros sa mga Tsino na hilingin sa kanilang gobyerno na pumayag na pag-usapan ang gusot sa isang diplomatikong pamamaraan.

“Filipinos are in solidarity with the Chinese people and we urge them to convince their government to resolve the issue by sitting in the international tribunal of the law of the seas (ITLOS) together with the Philippine government,” ani Cabreros.

Samantala, pinasalamatan naman ng Akbayan ang hindi pakikialam ng Estados Unidos sa gusot sa West Philippine Sea.

“We are glad that the United States has a hands-off policy in this matter as this is an issue that does not concern them. We reiterate that this is a regional issue and should be best addressed by regional stakeholders using multilateral mechanisms," pahayag ni Cabreros.

Hinikayat din ni Cabreros ang mga bansa sa Southeast Asia, lalo na ang mga miyembro sa Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), na makilahok sa isyu dahil hindi lamang ang Pilipinas ang maaapektuhan ng mga ikinikilos ng China sa buong rehiyon.

“I think ASEAN must now lend its voice to this growing clamor for China to stop its intrusions and withdraw from the West Philippine Sea. If we as a regional community cannot show our collective voice, then it becomes easier for China to bully every Southeast Asian country,” aniya.

Ang sentro ng pagkilos laban sa China ngayong Biyernes ay ang Chinese Consular Office in Makati City.

Sabay-sabay rin na magsasagawa ng protesta ang mga Pilipino sa abroad at tutungo sa mga embahada at konsulado ng China kabilang na ang sa New York, San Francisco, Sydney, Austria, Vancouver at Hong Kong.

Pinangungunahan ang "global protest" ng US Pinoys for Good Governance, sa pamumuno ng Filipino-American philanthropist at civic leader na si Loida Nicolas-Lewis.

Nagsimula ang gusot sa Panatanag Shoal noong ika-10 ng Abril nang tangkain ng Philippine Navy na hulihin ang mga mangingisdang Tsino na nanghuhuli ng isda at kumukuha ng "endangered" na mga lamang-dagat doon.

Hinarangan ng Chinese vessels ang Philippine Navy. Mulna noon, nananatili ang tensyon sa Panatag Shoal habang nagmamatigas ang China sa mga pakiusap na idulog sa ITLOS ang gusot. — LBG, GMA News

I just got a phone call from RESCOM (http://www.army.mil.ph/Army_Sites/INFANTRY%20DIVISIONS/arescom/index.html) advising me to prepare for a call of duty. My friends also received the same call, others by mail. This could be another drill or war is really inevitable!

sana maytrainingpano magingespiyasa mgagustongmagvolunteer:) God bless the filipinos and soldiers who would serve for our country.

That "war rhetoric" from China must have gotten the attention of the international press

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/10/david-against-goliath-on-south-china-sea/#comment

(maraming bitter pala at inalis natin ang "Disneyland" nila sa Subic :lol:)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/philippines/9258225/Chinese-media-warns-of-war-with-Philippines.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-18016901


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Has Obama appologized to China on behalf of the Philippines yet??
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bigword2 8 hours ago in reply to adnyc2
Obama needs to apologize to America!
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bigword2 7 hours ago in reply to bigword2
especially for Biden, among other atrocities in and out of office
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frankzzzz 8 hours ago in reply to adnyc2
No, but he still hasn't apologized on behalf of Tibet either. Maybe he is saving it all up for one big China...ass...kissing party.
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I want to like frankzzzz's comment 100 times:rofl:

May milagrong mangyayari. :naughty::lol:

oo, sa mga guard on duty, pinapalabas yung iba:lol:

"Not the kind of complexity we have nowadays."

Sounds like Socrates. He was complaining of how complex the world was then. The world will always be full of complexity.

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I want to like frankzzzz's comment 100 times:rofl:

I came across those but man, they really held the grudge against us as regards to Subic. We took away their precious Disneyland :lol::lol::lol:

Maybe we should say sorry :lol:

di naman ah, dami na pera ng mga tsikom, di na uso rasyon ngayon:lol: lv bags meron pa rin yan fake nga lang:lol: nalimutan nyo na bakit ba ang hilig mag immitate ng mgfachinese? dahil iniencourageeto ng gobyerno nila, sa gusto nilang mapataas ang status ng buhay ng mga pulubi nila.

tumaas nga siguro, pero mukhang gusgusin pa rin:lol:

Baka puewde tayong bentahan ng kagamitan nila....

at saka pa 5-6 na rin :lol:

NEW DELHI: As the Philippines braces for anti-China protests on Friday, India has stepped into the hottest South China Sea dispute to counsel restraint.

In an unusual statement that signals India's growing interests in South China Sea, the MEA on Thursday weighed in on the growing dispute between China and the Philippines. Admitting Indian concern about the events, the MEA spokesperson said, "Maintenance of peace and security in the region is of vital interest to the international community. India urges both countries to exercise restraint and resolve the issue diplomatically according to principles of international law."

India not only has a growing presence in oil and gas exploration off Vietnam in the South China Sea, there has been an Indian presence in helping to keep the sea lanes safe and open for some time now. Besides, India is also signaling to the Southeast Asian nations that it remains engaged about the issues that concern them.

According to reports, over 1,000 people are expected to protest in Manila on Friday against what the Philippines calls a sovereignty dispute over a set of islands. While, China calls them Huangyan Islands, the Philippines calls them Scarborough Shoal. This week Beijing has asked Manila to ensure security of its citizens, asked its citizens to stay indoors, etc.

The People's Liberation Army Daily, the official voice of Chinese military, has also published a commentary on Thursday titled, "Never Expect to Take Away Half an Inch of China's Territory." It said, "We never tolerate any unreasonable embarrassment with blind patience, not to mention that the issue matters for China's territorial integrity, national dignity, and even social stability.

"For anyone who tries to snatch the sovereignty over Huangyan Islands, not only will the Chinese government not agree; the Chinese people will not agree; and the Chinese army will not agree."

In early April, Filipino naval forces intercepted eight Chinese fishing vessels in the disputed islands, boarded them and forced China to back off. It was then seen to be part of China's new aggressive policy in the region. But things heated up last week, when China asked the Philippines to withdraw all its vessels from the island.

Any conflict in that region would affect Indian economic interests. But equally, China has been commenting on issues that New Delhi considers its own bilateral ones - like Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari's recent whistle-stop India visit. And, India's commentary on the South China Sea issue has to be seen in that light.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-steps-into-Philippines-China-spat-over-South-China-Sea/opinions/13089219.cms

I came across those but man, they really held the grudge against us as regards to Subic. We took away their precious Disneyland :lol::lol::lol:

Maybe we should say sorry :lol:

Uh-h. Not me. All the freaking REds and leftists aka nationalists kuno should go apologise to them.
Maybe they will never do that until the ...Chicoms invade or sink us:lol:
Or they'll just lay down the RED CARPET WELCOME:nuts:

I just got a phone call from RESCOM (http://www.army.mil.ph/Army_Sites/INFANTRY%20DIVISIONS/arescom/index.html) advising me to prepare for a call of duty. My friends also received the same call, others by mail. This could be another drill or war is really inevitable!

God Bless Sir!

Punta ka sa Zamables sa mga aeta dun..magaling daw sila. Sila nagturo ng jungle trainung sa kano nung vietnam war

Malayo ako sa Pinas man.. :) Pero gusto ko talaga mag-aral ng archery...

Yung pagiging sniper din. :D

Baka puewde tayong bentahan ng kagamitan nila....

at saka pa 5-6 na rin :lol:



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-steps-into-Philippines-China-spat-over-South-China-Sea/opinions/13089219.cms

God Bless India!

Samantalang ASEAN, parang wala lang nangyari. :ohno::ohno:

It's sad that it takes a country on the other side of the pond to at least calm us down on this issue.

Uh-h. Not me. All the freaking REds and leftists aka nationalists kuno should go apologise to them.
Maybe they will never do that until the ...Chicoms invade or sink us:lol:
Or they'll just lay down the RED CARPET WELCOME:nuts:

Red carpet, it is....

:lol:

India steps into Philippines-China spat over South China Sea (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-steps-into-Philippines-China-spat-over-South-China-Sea/articleshow/13089219.cms)
TNN | May 11, 2012, 05.26AM IST

NEW DELHI: As the Philippines braces for anti-China protests on Friday, India has stepped into the hottest South China Sea dispute to counsel restraint.

In an unusual statement that signals India's growing interests in South China Sea, the MEA on Thursday weighed in on the growing dispute between China and the Philippines. Admitting Indian concern about the events, the MEA spokesperson said, "Maintenance of peace and security in the region is of vital interest to the international community. India urges both countries to exercise restraint and resolve the issue diplomatically according to principles of international law."

India not only has a growing presence in oil and gas exploration off Vietnam in the South China Sea, there has been an Indian presence in helping to keep the sea lanes safe and open for some time now. Besides, India is also signaling to the Southeast Asian nations that it remains engaged about the issues that concern them.

According to reports, over 1,000 people are expected to protest in Manila on Friday against what the Philippines calls a sovereignty dispute over a set of islands. While, China calls them Huangyan Islands, the Philippines calls them Scarborough Shoal. This week Beijing has asked Manila to ensure security of its citizens, asked its citizens to stay indoors, etc.

The People's Liberation Army Daily, the official voice of Chinese military, has also published a commentary on Thursday titled, "Never Expect to Take Away Half an Inch of China's Territory." It said, "We never tolerate any unreasonable embarrassment with blind patience, not to mention that the issue matters for China's territorial integrity, national dignity, and even social stability.

"For anyone who tries to snatch the sovereignty over Huangyan Islands, not only will the Chinese government not agree; the Chinese people will not agree; and the Chinese army will not agree."

In early April, Filipino naval forces intercepted eight Chinese fishing vessels in the disputed islands, boarded them and forced China to back off. It was then seen to be part of China's new aggressive policy in the region. But things heated up last week, when China asked the Philippines to withdraw all its vessels from the island.

Any conflict in that region would affect Indian economic interests. But equally, China has been commenting on issues that New Delhi considers its own bilateral ones - like Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari's recent whistle-stop India visit. And, India's commentary on the South China Sea issue has to be seen in that light.

Some of your prayers were heard, India will be helping us fight China but diplomatically!

Red carpet, it is....

:lol:

And they will keep 'thanking' Papa Sugar for the "hands off" so their comrades can get a foot in the door:lol::nuts:

Samantala, pinasalamatan naman ng Akbayan ang hindi pakikialam ng Estados Unidos sa gusot sa West Philippine Sea.

“We are glad that the United States has a hands-off policy in this matter as this is an issue that does not concern them. We reiterate that this is a regional issue and should be best addressed by regional stakeholders using multilateral mechanisms," pahayag ni Cabreros.

Tuta ng Tsina..bakit di nalang sya dun nagpunta?

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/05/10/12/fil-am-leaders-divided-over-ph-china-standoff

Matagal na. Lol.

And they will keep 'thanking' Papa Sugar for the "hands off" so their comrades can get a foot in the door:lol::nuts:

Well, I think it's about time to lump them with the chicoms when it breaks out. :lol:

Parangnilangawangrally?

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/video/nation/05/11/12/kung-fu-fighting-protest-vs-china-bullying

The rallies were established by the Left. That's one reason why I'm not going though I obviously support standing up to China.
As people here have said, since when have noisy mob like rallies accomplished anything?

Hundreds only or about 1,000 protesters? I think Filipinos are on "wait and see" attitude. The local media here do not sensationalize the stand-off. People are talking more of that Santiago-Tulfo brawl at the airport.


Last Modified: 11 May 2012 05:56

Asia-Pacific
Protests in Philippines over China dispute
Hundreds take to streets in Manila to protest against Beijing's claim to South

About 1,000 people marched to a Chinese consular office in Manila

Anti-China protests are taking place in the capital of the Philippines over a territorial dispute in the South China Sea.

About 1,000 people gathered outside the Chinese embassy in Manila to protest against what they say are Chinese intrusions, as tensions increase in a long-standing dispute over the Scarborough Shoal islands claimed by both countries.

"Our protest is directed at the overbearing actions and stance of the government in Beijing, which behaves like an arrogant overlord, even in the homes of its neighbours," said rally organiser Loida Nicholas Lewis.

The protesters carried placards that read: "China stop bullying the Philippines", "Make Peace Not War", and "China, Stop Poaching in Philippine Waters".

China on Thursday warned its citizens that they were not safe in the Philippines and urged those in the country to stay indoors and stay away from demonstrations. Taiwan issued a similar warning to its citizen, while Chinese travel agents said they were suspending tours to the Philippines.

Philippine officials said they expected the Manila rally to be peaceful.

In Beijing, authorities stepped up security around the Philippines' embassy, with squads of police waiting in streets near the mission and plainclothes guards also monitoring passers-by.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2012/05/201251144447223660.html

tingnan nyo eto ba gusto nila kontrolin media natin tapos sila ok lang ang kayabangan :bash: typical na bully talaga tong tsikom


http://mili.cn.yahoo.com/ypen/20120511/1039187.html

Ututan lang natin mukha nila :lol:

Like this!:lol:

http://narwhaler.com/img/mt/2/dictator-impossibru-mt2Qlo.jpg

You know the Solution to this is so EASY.

Instead of sharing the Spratleys and Scarborough with the Chinese......we should just do this:

PNoy: Hello Exxon Mobil. We'll give you first crack at the oil reserves under the Spratleys and Scarbotogh if you help us secure the area.

Exxon Mobil: We'll make a few phone calls to our friends in the government.

After a few days.....

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Lo8n1_ejGIc/S-wCFsoT9EI/AAAAAAAAPEo/Pq6E-_XcNLg/s1600/cvn70front.jpg
So Simple it should Work!

I think the govt should do the Marcos way, remember the regime of the late president, he used the charm of a woman as an envoy on nations that are not friends of phil. She visited countries like the former USSR, Libya, Bosnia and many more. And that woman is his wife Imelda, why not do something like this, we can send Kris as an envoy hehe... i also think that China chooses a lady ambassador to ease the tension alittle bit after they recall the former male ambassador.

From Asian thread:

the news about South China Sea from Taiwan NMA Media :lol::lol::lol:

TaNVKC-9zlw

Hindi na talaga dapat makapagtayo pa ang Tsina ng kahit anung structures kahit san sa disputed territory. Lalaki at lalaki lang mga yun. Example yung sa Mischief Reef.

http://www.southchinasea.org/files/2011/08/Chinese_structure.jpg
^^ April 1995

http://www.jamestown.org/uploads/pics/2008112583631.jpg
^^ 2009

Clearly we Filipinos are an arrogant race and a very stubborn one, before China has never done this kind of intrusion and when we took Subic & Clark from the US. Now what do we have? all our Asian nieghbors claiming our islands and waters. Let us all be regretful of what we did kicking out the US & ask them for new US bases to be constructed here. Look at our asian Nieghbors havent we notice all of them are welcoming the USA to open bases Japan, South Korea, Australia, Thailand and now Singapore has US bases at their soil, Put this in mind this are not poor countries infact most of this countries have very powerful military assets. Thailand for one has an Aircraft Carrier. Now what? our Congress & Senate's swarming with Pigs & Crocodiles. Hope we true Filipinos Unite and think what is right & sensible.

^^ From an outpost to a fortress na 'yan!

From Asian thread:

Funny....
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/54145000/gif/_54145268__48951920_south_china-sea_1_466-1.gif
This clearly shows how ridiculous their claim is....

China appears to have a 17th century view of national sovereignty in a 21st century world, where leaders accept they must sacrifice some of their national freedom of action for the greater common good of international peace and prosperity.

One of the reasons many in the Asia-Pacific welcome the U.S. pivot is the ambiguity of Chinese intentions.

It is hard to trust china. first, it said they are just constructing storm shelters for their fishermen in mischief reef. that structure today is anything but a storm shelter. Russia on top is wary of china. east, japan and korea dont trust it either. to the south, taiwan, vietnam, and other countries look at her with suspicion. let's not mention india.

if one country doesnt trust china, that is understandable. you cant possibly please everybody. but MOST of your neighbors? china, dude, you have some serious behavioral issues, to say the least.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/11/zakaria-china-save-europe/

fareed zakaria's take on why china refuses to help the eurozone despite sitting on huge amount of money is this--helping EU would buy china the fame that will launch it to a status of a TRUE global leader. it will win favors and many friends in the world stage and would cement it's reputation as a nation that favors peace more than military confrontation. but beijing refuses to this day to help europe. it would rather spend those money beefing up it's military for a later ONSLAUGHT.

and, yes, the philippines has the right reason not to trust beijing. arrogance, i believe, is inherent in chinese blood. i saw teresita ang-see saying she could see the hand of us in manila's resolve to face beijing. this so-called filipino and leader of the filipino-chinese community is not a filipino willing to die for this country. what else could a country do while beijing bullies and make fabricated lies on it's state run media? china wont resolve this conflict despite it being a signatory to unclos.

heck, china has its own way of measuring it's fabricated GDP so as to make it look 9-10% yearly. it will only follow rules if it suits their needs. plain and simple as that. i hope the country enters a financial collapse and send millions of chinese to the streets to riot. china measures its gdp differently from the rest of the world. many analysts have been telling this for many years. if it will only follow the known procedure to measure gdp, china has not been growing for the last 10 years. when it enters recession, i hope it does like it's the start of big bang. maybe then, humility will erase that arrogance--once and for all.

its claim of it's so-called "Peaceful Rise" is nothing but an oxymoron invented by them. analysts no longer use the term to refer to china. i find it funny to use "china" and "peace" on the same sentence. it is rising, indeed, but it will never be peaceful. that's a sad truth. and the philippines didnt see that coming.

to those who see china eclipsing US, think again. americans wont get to this level without being smart. deception is a game that americans invented. being #2 is nowhere in the american dream. the philippines must use that american weakness and launch the country to its former greatness in asia. create an enterprising society and raise nationalism to heights never before seen. clock is ticking. what took skorea and japan several decades to build, we must achieve in half the time.

clock is ticking. what took skorea and japan several decades to build, we must achieve in half the time.

all of the present times dedicated to noynoying, that would be quad the half time to be at their present level,..

in fairness to pnoy the previos administrations of ramos, estrada, arroyo wasnt able to purchase a single 2nd hand hamilton class during their time.

wondering. pnoy barely 3 years in office kahit 2nd hand ata magiging 3 na ung ship napurchase. give credit where credit is due.

It is my understanding that the Hamilton wasn't purchased...it was "donated"...

i find china hallucinating when they said they own the philippines

I just got a phone call from RESCOM (http://www.army.mil.ph/Army_Sites/INFANTRY%20DIVISIONS/arescom/index.html) advising me to prepare for a call of duty. My friends also received the same call, others by mail. This could be another drill or war is really inevitable!

OMG.. as same situation in my former Professor in the University!!! as receive it via email... Good Luck to PHL army Reserves...

You sound like a China man right now. I hope you are not a Filipino. It's very disappointing. Once they take over Scarborough people in Zambales can no longer fish around that area. Then China will go after the Spratly Islands next. Everything will be affected including our security. You sound like you're giving up without even trying every possible way to get things our way. I am a Filipino American, but, If it ever comes down to it, I will go home and proudly die for my country.


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"once they take over Scarborough" - in case you didn't notice, they already have..

I know we can no longer fish - i already said last week we need to start sending fishers there, but the chinese beat us to it, along with extra vessels.




I'm not saying to leave scarborough - i honestly think its a lost cause, but continue "fighting" for it if you want - as if china is really going to listen to some demonstrators...


My question, which no one has answered yet, is what are we doing to prevent this scenario from occuring again? More specifically, further south near the Spratlys?

Nobody wants to have a war with any country even PROC.

Let's just face the music - there is no backing down from this point. If we give up what we are fighting for, we let them win.

So far, our approaches are very peaceful, non-violent means in approaching the bully. We would never be judged as an aggressor.

If China does something drastic, the world will turn against them, not us.


You're ignoring the point though - the point is that there's a chance america doesnt intervene - are you willing to take that risk?

i don't know if you are reading the news lately (or the past few months). for the first time after previous administrations (after marcos), aquino is starting to build up the military, it is painfully slow but at least it is on-going - we are building naval defenses, what else do you want? can you be more specific?

what do i want us to do?

i want us to be capable of preventing these kind of situations again

This incident was completely mishandled by the government, and now we're stuck in a corner.



Obviously, whatever they had in mind at scarborough was the wrong idea.


Encouraging fishers etc.. to go to the spratlys and boost our presence could serve as a deterrent to chinese fishers, so at least it is us who is getting the resources. Furthermore, we should build fortifications on the spratly islands closest to our shores just as the chinese did on mischief reef. Also do what vietnam is doing, getting foreign companies to conduct oil exploration etc... so at least those countries might feel they have something to lose by chinese aggression.

Risk?

Di mo ba kayang gumawa ng kabayanihan mapagtanggol lang ang inang bayan?

Bakit kailangan mo ang Amerika, kung ayaw nila, eh di hwag.

Basta ako, handa ako pumunta, tumulong, makapatay man lang ng isang tsikom



ikaw? magtatago sa palda ng nanay mo? o baka namn intsik ka?

My question, which no one has answered yet, is what are we doing to prevent this scenario from occuring again? More specifically, further south near the Spratlys?

We are doing it right now by asserting our claim over Panatag shoal. If we will let go of this, surely Spartlys would be their next target.

Clearly we Filipinos are an arrogant race and a very stubborn one, before China has never done this kind of intrusion and when we took Subic & Clark from the US. Now what do we have? all our Asian nieghbors claiming our islands and waters. Let us all be regretful of what we did kicking out the US & ask them for new US bases to be constructed here. Look at our asian Nieghbors havent we notice all of them are welcoming the USA to open bases Japan, South Korea, Australia, Thailand and now Singapore has US bases at their soil

Yeah PNOY, make the Deal with the Americans.

Exclusive sharing rights to the Oil underneath Scarborough and renewed access to Subic and Clark Bases.

Then send in the big Mousetrap!!!!
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CKbp-AUALbc/TUEeN5kH9HI/AAAAAAAAAJ0/LfOjyiMYkcw/s1600/uss_theodore_roosevelt_%2528cvn_71%2529%252C_aircraft_carrier.jpg
The only thing the Chinese fear right now.

The Chinese rats should scurry away.

Agree ako sa first sentence ni Mr Grey. the US must be laughing its ass off knowing it would come down to this. wish ko lang hinintay muna natin na malakas na tayo before we asked the US to go away.

anyway, wala na tayong magagawa sa past. kaya please lang huwag na tayong magsisihan, all we need now is PAGKAKAISA and find solutions.

unang-una, aminin din muna natin we can't do this alone. I know many are willing to fight but mabuti na yung wala o kunti lang ang mamamatay (let's protect our mothers, our wives, our children and everyone who for some reason are too frail to take arms).

secondly, let's get all the help we can. interesado pa kaya ang US ibalik ang bases kahit sa Subic man lang? ibalik na muna natin - kahit temporarily man lang while we're still not strong enough to fight a giant. siguradong magdadalawang isip ang China when a US naval base is just a stone's throw away. let the US have exclusive sharing rights sa oil so they'll actually have an interest.

lastly, let's not depend on band-aid solutions alone. palakasin ang hukbong sandatahan. pwede naman siguro natin paalisin ulit ang US kung malakas na tayo, maybe in 25 years, that is kung ayaw talaga natin ng US base.

i hope everything will be dragged after the US election on november. after O steps down.

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"once they take over Scarborough" - in case you didn't notice, they already have..

I know we can no longer fish - i already said last week we need to start sending fishers there, but the chinese beat us to it, along with extra vessels.




I'm not saying to leave scarborough - i honestly think its a lost cause, but continue "fighting" for it if you want - as if china is really going to listen to some demonstrators...


My question, which no one has answered yet, is what are we doing to prevent this scenario from occuring again? More specifically, further south near the Spratlys?

coz' your question makes no sense at this moment. it's like saying let's leave one leaking pipe and fix the other section of the pipe thats not leaking yet. by the time you fix the other section, chances are you no longer have any liquid in the pipe, it all drains right where the leak is now. where's the logic to your question?

We are doing it right now by asserting our claim over Panatag shoal. If we will let go of this, surely Spartlys would be their next target.

It's not a case of "Spratlys will be their next target". Spratlys has always been a target for them


Mind you, im not saying to completely abandon scarborough - but i am worried that there is too much focus on scarborough when that attention is better served on thinking of ways to prevent this from happening again.

Building up our own presence through fishing/construction is one way. Also, I would suggest we try to get oil companies from powerful countries like the US to conduct drilling/research etc....that way we are at least providing them with an interest in the area.

coz' your question makes no sense at this moment. it's like saying let's leave one leaking pipe and fix the other section of the pipe thats not leaking yet. by the time you fix the other section, chances are you no longer have any liquid in the pipe, it all drains right where the leak is now. where's the logic to your question?

No its not, i still think there is something we can do about the spratlys.


Besides, if all we're going to do is organize rallies in front of the chinese embassy, im sure they will gladly accept that in exchange for all the islands further south.


As for your pipe analogy, im not sure if the leaking section can be fixed. Demonstrating in front of their embassy certainly wont do anything. I'm not suggesting to entirely give it up [though i dont see a difference either way] but its important that this does not happen again.

I joined the Rally against China's Aggression and here were some photos.
I will try to post tonight the videos of the rally.


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^^

I told my Vietnamese students that I will kill for my country.

these communists cowards. Not only do they insult us militarily and economically, they also insult our freedom to assemble! They are afraid of democracy in action!

Almost a 100 million Filipinos and only a thousand appears, excluding the two who posed like models. What a conviction.

these communists cowards. Not only do they insult us militarily and economically, they also insult our freedom to assemble! They are afraid of democracy in action!

Who? Beijing/China? In what way are they insulting us about this freedom? I've yet to hear about reports other than travel advisories for their citizens and tough rhetoric from their war hawks and nationalists. Come on guys, let's be fair and rational than getting carried away by nationalism.

Almost a 100 million Filipinos and only a thousand appears, excluding the two who posed like models. What a conviction.
100 Million is throughout the PHL and there is only one Chinese consulate. Its virtually impossible for everyone to go to Makati. Also, it was a Friday and most people are working, and the allotted time given by the city of Makati for the protest was only one hour. Use your common sense sometimes.

I love the banners but i think they should set the date on a weekend instead

No its not, i still think there is something we can do about the spratlys.


Besides, if all we're going to do is organize rallies in front of the chinese embassy, im sure they will gladly accept that in exchange for all the islands further south.


As for your pipe analogy, im not sure if the leaking section can be fixed. Demonstrating in front of their embassy certainly wont do anything. I'm not suggesting to entirely give it up [though i dont see a difference either way] but its important that this does not happen again.

it will happen again until china accomplishes all its claim of the nine dashed line.

if you cannot plug this leak (scarborough shoal), forget about spratly's it's good as gone too. the best thing you can think after scarborough is palawan.

you talk about building defenses for spratly's - realistically how do you propose that? do we have the resources to actually do that? don't just ask questions without thinking about it first. with our state of economy, do you think we will be well equipped (minimum credible defense) in the next 2 or 3 years?

demostrating in front of the embassy may not be the best soulution, but do you have any alternative? i would really like to hear it.

Almost a 100 million Filipinos and only a thousand appears, excluding the two who posed like models. What a conviction.

Where were you?

From Vietnamese media:

Is there an outbreak of war in the West Philippine Sea?


(AP) - Tensions between the Philippines and China around the shallow reef Scarborough / escalation Huangyan never stops and seems to be on the brink of a conflict. Is the current confrontation between the two countries have escalated into a war?
Philippines >> The anti-China protests "bullying"
China >> stop the tour to the Philippines
PLA >> Report warns Philippines
>> Philippines: U.S. will enter the conflict if the South China Sea


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Chinese ships confronted the warships of the Philippines Sea.



War approached?

Up to now, the rivalry between the Philippines and China in the East China Sea shallow reef has entered into week 5 with signs of increasingly dangerous escalation.

According to the latest information, the Chinese sent 33 ships to the disputed waters, including three navy chief of the country's most modern. The Chinese vessels not only prevents Philippine fishermen into their traditional fishing grounds in the shallow reef near the dispute, but also trying to intimidate by shining powerful lights in the Philippines fishing vessels, causing psychotherapy for panic and depression of the fishermen.

In the meantime, the Chinese travel companies pause the tour operators to the Philippines. According to the authorities of the country, Chinese citizens should not go to the Philippines at this time to avoid anti-China movement is growing.

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The number of Chinese tourists to Philippinesgiam strong since relations between the two countries became strained after the confrontation in Scarborough / Huangyan on 8/4.


On the diplomatic front, China has at least 3 times for millions of Filipino diplomats in Beijing to protest Manila claims for Scarborough / Hoang Nham (despite the fact that this has been The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea recognized).

Not only that, but warned Beijing "will be no mercy if there is any further escalation from Manila", referring to disagree with the attitude of the Philippines to dispute the International Court of Law sea, as well as the country is seeking to strengthen American security in the event of a conflict in the South China Sea.

Recently, on 9/5, the Global Times newspaper of China also published editorials calling for war with the Philippines on South China Sea.

Under the title "Peace is a luxury if tension continues to rise," the editorial stated: "China needs to act of war with the Philippines, because for China, confront the problem in Huangyan sovereignty and the Philippines need time to be taught a lesson ".

As women of the People's Daily, the mouthpiece of the Communist Party of China, the Global Times heavily nationalistic ideology and regularly publish editorials whenever disputes with China at Sea East.

"If not act resolutely, the Philippines ship will never stop jamming action," the editorial writing.

According to the editorial, "prolonged crisis in Huangyan only hurt the spirit of unity in China" and that "the international community do not get surprised if the current confrontation escalated into a military conflict. "

"We need to make the world feel they are determined to protect China's sovereignty," the newspaper wrote, do not forget adding that "should not exaggerate the consequences of using force in response to actions of the Philippines" .

Meanwhile, the company Xinhua also published a series of editorials expressed China's stance in the South China Sea issue, which is notable that the article "Philippines increased tensions, the Chinese people's patience is running out", "Never the will of the Chinese try to defend its sovereignty ".

T rang the People's Daily Online night 9/5 also post "China does not have trees, do not know fighting back when attacked."

All these articles are used very strong words to condemn the Philippines on the current hot in Huangyan / Scarborough.
Of course, the real effects of China's escalating tensions both on the diplomatic front, ideological and military in the East Sea is not the first, but one thing can be found right in front of these actions psychology are fanning up anger against the Chinese in both thought and action of the Filipino people.
Chinese sentiment in the Philippines

Since stress occurs between the two countries on 8/4 to date, in the Philippines erupted no less spontaneous demonstrations in protest against the action "bullying" of China. The latest protests occurred in the capital of the Philippines Manila 11/5 with the participation of hundreds of Filipino patriots.

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The protesters held signs Philippnines inscription: "China get out of the shallow beach Scarborogh".


Even in some demonstrations, but those extremists burned the Chinese flag before the representative offices of foreign countries in the Philippines.

Some sources say Filipinos in many parts of the world are planning to organize simultaneous protests against China before the Embassy and Chinese Consulate in the country.

Concern over anti-China mentality will affect the safety and lives of its citizens in the Philippines, on 10/5, the Chinese Embassy in the Philippines have urged the help of the host country authorities at.

"We have made ​​serious proposals to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and other relevant ministries of the Philippines, which urged the agency to apply specific measures to ensure safety for people and property Chinese in the Philippines ", the Chinese Embassy said.

Before that, the diplomatic missions of China has also warned its citizens in Manila should not be that way and avoid collisions with local people, in case things happen unfortunately.

"The information a Philippine non-governmental organizations have plans to hold demonstration before Chinese Consulate has made ​​in China and abroad utmost concern. This is also cause for worry Chinese citizens in the Philippines because of their own safety, "the statement of the Embassy of China clearly.

Beijing also said that "will monitor the situation closely, and regularly updated information concerning the safety of Chinese citizens as well as Chinese students in the Philippines".

War - The decision is not simple

Air "increasingly hot and stuffy," South China Sea are causing many to believe that this resource-rich waters are at risk of imminent war.

That thought is reinforced when the results of recent public opinion survey by the Center for Hoan Bridge to investigate public opinion of China published showed that the majority of respondents in favor of using military power. Specifically, 80% said China needs to go to war with the Philippines in the South China Sea.

However, according to the experts, but the Sino - Philippines but is now very likely strain the war broke out in the near future is not great. Since that war will put America deeper into the engagement area (which the Chinese never desired) will make war and China lost the ambition to become the real powerhouse in the near future and Finally, as the war will only make the situation in the South China Sea already hot even more complex.

For one thing, Americans can be involved more deeply into the area: This is what will definitely happen if Beijing chooses to open fire. After announcing the re-engagement strategy back in Asia - Pacific bid last year, Washington has continued to strengthen military cooperation as well as diplomacy with the countries in the region, particularly especially the Philippines, Japan, Korea and Australia. Although not stated directly, but many times hinted U.S. would never abandon its allies in need.

So in the most recent statement on 10/5, Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said the Philippines has received assurance from the U.S. in the event of a military confrontation with China in the East Sea.

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(From left) Defence Secretary Voltaire Gazmin Philippines, Philippine Foreign Secretary Alberto del Rosario, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta during a press conference after talks in Washington last week.

"Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta emphasized that they do not take sides in the dispute, but the United States will respect the defense and mutual assistance treaty the two countries signed in 1951," Minister Gazmin said.

According to Gazmin, defense and mutual assistance treaty the United States - Philippines have clearly defined terms of Washington will support Manila "in the event of armed attack ... on the waters in the Pacific islands." This is the assurance for the U.S. would not "stand arms folded looking at" when military clash in the East Sea.

Of course, no one can deny the power of China in Asia is growing both in terms of economic, military and diplomatic. But the reverse of the medal is, when China's power increases, the U.S. involvement in the region becomes larger and more important.

China's leaders can not take this.

The second reason, the war will make China more goals away from becoming major powers. Although China has foreign exchange reserves, massive (almost 3,000 billion), but most of this money is money the government bonds in Europe and America. Meanwhile, although China's economic growth is not sustainable, but depends largely on the consumer market in the West. So when the war happened, the Chinese economy will be affected by the wave face a boycott of the U.S. and Europe.

That's not to mention the consequences of the "3 years firewood, burning an hour" if China decides to fight budget has been seen before was very "hao people, costing".

The third reason not to say everyone knows, just as the war situation Sea as inherently complex as more trouble. Currently, China claims ownership of nearly 90% of the area in these waters, when in fact only less than 10% control. This capital has caused great discontent with the countries in the region. Therefore, Beijing sought to "ridicule martial, bed dread" more in the South China Sea will only intensified anti-China mentality and do not want China to continue to rise.

Obviously now, China is in its early development is sensitive, requiring careful navigation in handling problems regional and international levels. In this context, China can not let the problems with the lanes around the affected countries to target their local development agency, and neither should these problems lead to internal conflict and instability in society.

Duc Vu

DAMN! We need a republican, we need another Reagan, another Bush!!!:bash::bash::bash:
immediately let's establish military ties with Vietnam to counter the bullying of China in the West Philippine Sea!!!

dp

Lilyr, I suppose you've been watching too much of Raymart and Claudine drama. It's on the headlines. China is claiming that Pnoy was the one encouraging the protests when in fact this is a natural reaction of the Filipino people. If you want to bow down to China I'm not holding you back. Go ahead! But don't tell the rest of us what to do when our country's dignity is being trampled upon by these communist thugs! We're not talking of just nationalism, we're talking about justice.

you know, we need to establish immediately military ties with Vietnam, and let's study how they routed the chinese commies during the chinese invasion of Vietnam in 79s,..mga militiamen palang nakakasagupa ng mga walang utak na PLA hinde pa yung mga vietnamese regulars, camote na cla!!!
The commies behaviour is reminiscent of Hitlers assurances of not attacking Europe, but they did it anyway,..humanda na tayo, kaso ang mga kano dparin natutu sa mga napag daanan nila, from hitler's nazi, the japs impending surprise attack,and even recently the iraq invasion of kuwait, nag-antay pa clang unahan ng mga ito bago mag react kaya maghanda na tayo, iba iniisip ng commies kaysa inisip ng mga kano,..

you know, we need to establish immediately military ties with Vietnam, and let's study how they routed the chinese commies during the chinese invasion of Vietnam in 79s,..mga militiamen palang nakakasagupa ng mga walang utak na PLA hinde pa yung mga vietnamese regulars, camote na cla!!!
The commies behaviour is reminiscent of Hitlers assurances of not attacking Europe, but they did it anyway,..humanda na tayo, kaso ang mga kano dparin natutu sa mga napag daanan nila, from hitler's nazi, the japs impending surprise attack,and even recently the iraq invasion of kuwait, nag-antay pa clang unahan ng mga ito bago mag react kaya maghanda na tayo, iba iniisip ng commies kaysa inisip ng mga kano,..

Wait, wait, wait... PEFTOK routed the Chicoms before.

You're ignoring the point though - the point is that there's a chance america doesnt intervene - are you willing to take that risk?

Regardless of America's involvement, we must take a stand.

Kaya pala di mapulot ng international media ang nangyayari, inuuna ng local media ang issue ng Santiago - Tulfo :b

By the way I LOVE HOW THE VIETNAMESE MEDIA USED "WEST PHILIPPINE SEA". Hehehe

Regardless of America's involvement, we must take a stand.

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The only thing the Chinese fear right now:lol:

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/11/world/asia/philippines-china-dispute/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

I'm watching this again and the lady interviewed said there are "dozens" of ships facing each other...

But we only have TWO CG ships and China has 30+, what dozens facing at each other is she saying?

"Where were you?"

In the midst of a huddle with your students.

This is funny!

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Nice message!

The beauty of democracy. Can the mainlanders do these? :D

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"China is one of its worst enemies in the South China Sea, as its local governments and agencies struggle for power and money..." -International Crisis Group.
"Communism will collapse on its own weight." - Pope John Paul II

MANILA, Philippines - China does not want to bring the dispute over the ownership of Scarborough Shoal to international bodies because it fears losing the case, a think-tank said.

Beijing is concerned that its claims on the Spratly Islands and Scarborough would be junked by dispute settlement mechanisms under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), even if China ratified the agreement in 1996, according the International Crisis Group.

The Philippines has been urging China to bring the 2 nations' dispute to the International Tribunal on Law of the Sea (ITLOS) for arbitration, but China has been refusing the offer.

On Friday, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hong Lei said in a press conference in Beijing that international arbitration is "weird."

"Isn't it a weird thing in international affairs to submit a sovereign country's territory to international arbitration? What a chaos the world will be in if this happens?" he said.

"Whatever the Philippines do (sic) or say (sic) regarding the sovereignty of the Island cannot alter the fact that the Island belongs to China," Hong added.

The International Crisis Group, however, said in an April 2012 paper "Stirring up the South China Sea" that China's leaders would have difficulty explaining to its citizens why it must accept a negative decision rendered under a perceived "Western-dominated" system.

UNCLOS requires countries to surrender the majority of their historical maritime claims in favor of the maritime zones awarded under the convention.

Claims to islands and other geographical features are not affected by the treaty, but any claim to sovereignty over maritime areas must fall within either the territorial waters or exclusive economic zones awarded to those features by UNCLOS, according to the think-tank.

China has been claiming ownership of all the Spratly Islands and Scarborough shoal in the West Philippine Sea, with its claimed based on alleged historical records.

The International Crisis Group revealed that under UNCLOS, China is not likely to get all of the territory it is claiming.

"Beijing has insisted that its historic 'nine-dashed line' map is a valid territorial claim. But its contours are vague, and the chart, which encompasses almost all of the South China Sea, is not recognised under international law," it said.

The Philippines is insisting that Scarborough Shoal is within its 200-nautical mile exclusive economic zone (EEZ) based on UNCLOS.

Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario said bringing the issue to ITLOS will "ascertain which of us has sovereign rights over the waters surrounding the Scarborough Shoal," which is also known locally as Panatag Shoal and Bajo de Masinloc.

China's internal power struggles

The International Crisis Group believes that power struggles within China may have caused Beijing's recent aggressiveness in the West Philippine Sea.

"China is one of its own worst enemies in the South China Sea, as its local governments and agencies struggle for power and money, inflaming tensions with its neighbours, illustrated by Beijing’s latest standoff with the Philippines," it said.

Its report revealed the domestic political and economic contradictions undermining China's efforts to restore relations with its neighboring countries.

It said that eleven ministerial-level agencies, and particularly law enforcement bodies, should have a single coherent maritime policy and must address confusion over what constitutes Chinese territorial waters.

“Some agencies are acting assertively to compete for a slice of the budget pie, while others such as local governments are focused on economic growth, leading them to expand their activities into disputed waters," says Stephanie Kleine-Ahlbrandt, Crisis Group’s North East Asia Project Director. “Their motivations are domestic in nature, but the impact of their actions is increasingly international."

"The Chinese navy has steered clear of the disputes over the last several years, but is using the tensions to justify its modernisation, which is contributing to a regional military build-up," it added.

Citing the Scarborough standoff, the International Crisis Group said Chinese foreign ministry should be the primary policy-coordinating body in the sea but its role has been usurped by law enforcement and paramilitary ships that are independently plying the disputed waters.

"The ministry lacks the power and authority to control the agencies, including five law enforcement bodies, local governments and private sector actors," it revealed.

"Escalating tensions since 2009 have dealt a severe blow to China’s relations with its South East Asian neighbours and significantly tarnished its image," sad Robert Templer, Crisis Group's Asia Program director.

“The [area] will remain volatile unless China's internal coordination problems and the legal confusion surrounding its maritime territorial claims are addressed."

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/-depth/05/11/12/china-fears-unclos-think-tank-says

11 May 2012 Last updated at 03:25 ET
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Activists chant and hold placards outside the Chinese embassy in Manila on 11 May 2012 Organisers said protests were planned in Manila and at other Chinese diplomatic missions
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Several hundred protesters waved flags and placards at the Chinese embassy in Manila, calling for China to withdraw its ships from a South China Sea shoal.

The Philippines deployed more than 100 police near the Chinese Consular Office, said local media, amid rising tension over the month-long row.

The two countries have been locked in a stand-off in disputed waters at the Scarborough Shoal since 8 April.

Both sides accuse each other of intruding into territorial waters.

"Our protest is directed at the overbearing actions and stance of the government in Beijing, which behaves like an arrogant overlord, even in the homes of its neighbours," rally organiser Loida Nicholas Lewis was quoted as saying by AFP news agency.

The row began early last month when the Philippines said its naval ship had found eight Chinese fishing vessels at the shoal, which both sides claim.
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Despite China's warning to its citizens to stay away from this protest, the atmosphere was calm and peaceful.

Protesters sang the Philippine national anthem, and carried placards that read: "China stop bullying the Philippines", "Make Peace Not War", and "China: Scarborough Shoal Today, Tomorrow the World?"

One of the organisers seized a microphone and compared the Philippine-China row to a fight between David and Goliath. 'David won': she shouted triumphantly to much applause.

But in reality - at least militarily - this David has little hope against China's Goliath. The protesters say that if China won't back down, an international tribunal should decide who owns the Scarborough Shoal.

A number of Chinese and Philippine fishery and coastguard ships remain stationed at the shoal, with both sides refusing to withdraw.
Tours suspended

Philippine officials said the protest was peaceful, with one man prevented by police from burning a Chinese flag.

Organisers had expected 1,000-strong crowd but only about half of that number turned up, reports from the scene said.

Protest organisers say demonstrations were also planned for other Chinese diplomatic missions around the world.

In an advisory, the Chinese embassy in Manila had advised its citizens to stay off the streets.

Meanwhile, China also deployed police outside the Philippine embassy in Beijing, but only a handful of protesters were reported to be there.

Chinese state media reported on Thursday that most travel agencies had suspended tours to the Philippines.
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An official at one agency confirmed the suspension to the BBC, while another said clients were being warned not to travel.

China has also warned the Philippines that it was prepared to respond to ''any escalation'' in the maritime situation.

State media has given the issue widespread coverage in recent days, warning of damage to bilateral ties and vowing not to back down.

A Xinhua news agency commentary published late on Thursday said Chinese people "were enraged by the offensive behaviour of the Philippines" over the issue.

The shoal itself, called Huangyan Island by China, is a series of rocks and reefs more than 100 miles (160km) from the Philippines and 500 miles from China.

China claims sovereignty over a large U-shaped area of the South China Sea, bringing it into dispute with several neighbouring countries. In recent months it has grown more assertive over the issue.

Manila has asked China to settle the issue at the International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea (ITLOS).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18030805

China is afraid at democracy at work! :D

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MANILA (Reuters) - China on Friday accused the Philippines of escalating an already tense territorial dispute over the South China Sea following a noisy but peaceful anti-Beijing protest in Manila.

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About 200 protesters, well below initial estimates, rallied in front of the Chinese consular office in Manila. Both Beijing and Taiwan had warned their nationals to stay indoors.

The demonstrators, carrying placards and banners and waving Philippine flags, protested against what they called Chinese intrusions into Philippine territory. The one-hour protest ended peacefully under the close watch of dozens of baton-wielding police.

"Encouraging the public to march and protest was a mistaken step by the Philippine side that has made the current situation more complicated and escalated it," Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei said.

GOVERNMENT NOT INVOLVED

A spokesman for Philippine President Benigno Aquino denied government involvement in the protest although some of the organizers have links with the president's political allies, including his chief political adviser.

"It was the decision taken by private citizens who feel out of patriotism that they have to speak on the issue. Again, our constitution clearly protects freedom of expression and the right to peaceful assembly," Edwin Lacierda told a press briefing on Friday.
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The row over the South China Sea is potentially the biggest flashpoint for confrontation in Asia, and tensions have risen since the United States adopted a policy last year to reinforce its influence in the region.

The Philippines is one of Washington's closest allies in the region. The South China Sea islands, believed to be rich in oil and other resources, are claimed wholly or in part by China, the Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei.

The Liberation Army Daily, the chief mouthpiece of China's military, criticized the United States' involvement.

"The United States' shift in strategic focus to the east and its entry into the South China Sea issue has provided the Philippines with room for strategic maneuver, and to a certain extent increased the Philippines' chips to play against us, emboldening them to take a risky course," it said.

For China's ruling Communist Party, which is heading toward an end-of-year leadership succession, the dispute with Manila can divert attention from recent energy-sapping scandals over sacked Chongqing party chief Bo Xilai and blind dissident Chen Guangcheng.

Many Chinese, including military officers, have said popular anger could grow if Beijing remains too soft in responding to rival claims in the South China Sea. A hard approach to the dispute could underline a message of patriotic unity while serving as an antidote to domestic problems.

The Shanghai government-run website, eastday.com, published a photograph on Thursday that it said showed a reporter from a local TV station planting the Chinese flag on the main reef of the Huangyan island, the Chinese name of Scarborough shoal, where the Philippine coast guard and Chinese civilian ships are engaged in a more than month-long staring match.

Besides Manila, organizers planned protests at China's embassies and consulates in the United States, Canada, Australia, Italy and other Asian capitals. No one showed up to a scheduled protest in Sydney.

(Additional reporting by Manny Mogato, Roli Ng and Krystine Antonio in Manila, Chris Buckley, Sabrina Mao and Sui-Lee Wee in Beijing, and Jonathan Standing in Taipei; Writing by Rosemarie Francisco; Editing by Raju Gopalakrishnan and Jonathan Thatcher)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47383989/#.T61q5MUvdek

MANILA (Reuters) - Filipino activists, carrying placards and banners and waving small Philippine flags, held a noisy but peaceful protest on Friday outside a Chinese consular office in Manila over islands in the South China Sea claimed by both nations.

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Only about 200 people turned up, way below initial crowd estimates.

The protesters prayed, sang patriotic hymns and chanted anti-China slogans. They left quietly after a one-hour protest under close watch of dozens of police.

Before the protesters arrived, anti-riot police stopped a man who got out of his car in front of the consular office and attempted to burn a Chinese flag marked with the message "Scarbourough is ours."

(Reporting By Manuel Mogato; Editing by Rosemarie Francisco and Raju Gopalakrishnan)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47382896/#.T61q5MUvdek

ALL THE NATIONS SHOULD DO WORLD WIDE PROTEST AGAINST CHINA TOGETHER WE STAND.
ALL THE NATION WHO SEEK EVIL AND DISTRUPTION OF WORLD PEACE IN THE PAST WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM. GOOD WILL ALWAYS REIGN ABOVE EVIL.
VIETNAM
TIBET
JAPAN
TAIWAN
WHERE ARE YOU?
STAND UP!
TO THOSE COUNTRIES WHO THINK THEY ARE RIGHT, WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO SHUT YOU?

del

it will happen again until china accomplishes all its claim of the nine dashed line.

if you cannot plug this leak (scarborough shoal), forget about spratly's it's good as gone too. the best thing you can think after scarborough is palawan.

you talk about building defenses for spratly's - realistically how do you propose that? do we have the resources to actually do that? don't just ask questions without thinking about it first. with our state of economy, do you think we will be well equipped (minimum credible defense) in the next 2 or 3 years?

demostrating in front of the embassy may not be the best soulution, but do you have any alternative? i would really like to hear it.


That all depends - I've already said there's no guarantee it would work but it is worth trying especially after this scarborough incident; now allow me to elaborate because i dont think you got the full meaning;

a) I suggested not merely building fortifications etc - i suggested an increased presence; most likely through the use of fishermen, or other activities such as oil exploration. [Bringing in companies from foreign powers , e.g the US].

b) Whether or not we are well equipped to defend it depends on 2 things

First, the extent of the islands we choose to defend. The less, the more easy and capable we are of defending. At the same time, that would mean more territory that could fall into chinese hands - so theres a balance that needs to be struck.

Secondly, it would also depend on the capability of china's navy. Despite their large size, I'm not sure if they have the capabilty to enforce the entire sea - when you add in their problems with vietnam as well it could become harder.


So no, there's no guarantee - but it does beat announcing to the world that you intend to arrest their fishermen only to turn up 9 hours later with chinese surveillance shops blocking your attempt.


Note that when I say "presence", i dont refer strictly to military - presence of any sort will help in my opinion.

Also, i think the government needs to start thinking about our ship building industry. Its something we could have a competetive advantage in, would boost emlpoyment/ economy and simultaneously help our navy, which is likely going to be the most important branch of the armed forces going forward.

Lilyr, I suppose you've been watching too much of Raymart and Claudine drama. It's on the headlines. China is claiming that Pnoy was the one encouraging the protests when in fact this is a natural reaction of the Filipino people. If you want to bow down to China I'm not holding you back. Go ahead! But don't tell the rest of us what to do when our country's dignity is being trampled upon by these communist thugs! We're not talking of just nationalism, we're talking about justice.
I don't even watch TFC or E! news shows to know about Pinoy or Hollywood celeb's sordid lives. :lol:Nor do I care.

Actually I believe you are raging because of nationalist emotion and it's not just about justice. Otherwise, why would you launch ad hominem against me?

If you would take off your raging nationalist lenses for a minute, then perhaps your mind would not be so clouded as to suspect a pro-Beijing/China tilt to my post or any of my posts here. In case you haven't gleaned it from such posts, I am one of the most ardent Anti-Communists in this forum and I would assume so do you.
How in the world does the statement " Come on guys, let's be fair and rational than getting carried away by nationalism. " reflect any
kowtowing to Beijing, Waray?
As for the rest of my post, I was merely reiterating the reports I've read and heard. I wanted to stick to facts not raging emotion so as not to be totally be biased towards any side.

Take off your furious nationalists lenses for a minute like I said and you would realise we are in a precarious situation. Beijing is adding fuel to the fire lately because of the current domestic issues plaguing the country/regime. The regime is getting jittery especially with the coming transiton of power. They need to stoke nationalist fervor to distract (already brainwashed population) their population and what better reason for them than an issue of sovereignty?

Yes I understand people can be angry. But step back and think: If we face off our overly emotional/angry nationalists against China's angry nationalists, what do you think will happen? Even if it is just a war of words, it will not help us in any way. We will just aggravate an already critical situation in favor of Beijing.

I've always said as others have said that our years of Noynoying seem to be a blessing in disguise. it is currently working in our favor even if you don't notice it. We should stick to our firm but quiet assertion of our claims as usual, in essence buying time for a credible defense posture to be achieved. Beijing's nationalists and war hawks can huff and puff all they want but they are not getting a war or anything close to it.That will really show the world who's bullying who. In the event, they decide to shoot first: Guess who's gonna lose in the eyes of the world? Not us. They might even lose their precious UN seat.

Now if you want to keep acting like a pot boiling over, that's your right much as it is to join rallies. Clearly I disagree with the stance you favor but far be it from me to prevent you or lambast it. Doing so would be an affront to "Democracy in Action".

Regardless of America's involvement, we must take a stand.


and what im suggesting is not taking stand?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2012/05/201251144447223660.html

Does really Al Jazeera have to bring up "Chinatown"? We're not protesting against the Chinese people, but on Beijing's arrogance and imperialistic ambitions. Even local born "Chinese" do not like Beijing's arrogance.

The native sentiments against the local Chinese in the Philippines are not even at the level on that of MY and ID.

Heck, our president is even of Chinese descent :lol:

And Rizal is 61%. So do Aguinaldo. Most of us have Chinese blood in our vein dating back to Jesus Christ time.

And Rizal is 61%. So do Aguinaldo. Most of us have Chinese blood in our vein dating back to Jesus Christ time.
Comments like these are way off base and doesn't serve any good. We are not protesting or fighting for our rights because they are Chinese. Stop this race card. That's not the reason at all. We are protesting because they are grabbing our own resources.

I don't even watch TFC or E! news shows to know about Pinoy or Hollywood celeb's sordid lives. :lol:Nor do I care.

Actually I believe you are raging because of nationalist emotion and it's not just about justice. Otherwise, why would you launch ad hominem against me?

If you would take off your raging nationalist lenses for a minute, then perhaps your mind would not be so clouded as to suspect a pro-Beijing/China tilt to my post or any of my posts here. In case you haven't gleaned it from such posts, I am one of the most ardent Anti-Communists in this forum and I would assume so do you.
How in the world does the statement " Come on guys, let's be fair and rational than getting carried away by nationalism. " reflect any
kowtowing to Beijing, Waray?
As for the rest of my post, I was merely reiterating the reports I've read and heard. I wanted to stick to facts not raging emotion so as not to be totally be biased towards any side.

Take off your furious nationalists lenses for a minute like I said and you would realise we are in a precarious situation. Beijing is adding fuel to the fire lately because of the current domestic issues plaguing the country/regime. The regime is getting jittery especially with the coming transiton of power. They need to stoke nationalist fervor to distract (already brainwashed population) their population and what better reason for them than an issue of sovereignty?

Yes I understand people can be angry. But step back and think: If we face off our overly emotional/angry nationalists against China's angry nationalists, what do you think will happen? Even if it is just a war of words, it will not help us in any way. We will just aggravate an already critical situation in favor of Beijing.

I've always said as others have said that our years of Noynoying seem to be a blessing in disguise. it is currently working in our favor even if you don't notice it. We should stick to our firm but quiet assertion of our claims as usual, in essence buying time for a credible defense posture to be achieved. Beijing's nationalists and war hawks can huff and puff all they want but they are not getting a war or anything close to it.That will really show the world who's bullying who. In the event, they decide to shoot first: Guess who's gonna lose in the eyes of the world? Not us. They might even lose their precious UN seat.

Now if you want to keep acting like a pot boiling over, that's your right much as it is to join rallies. Clearly I disagree with the stance you favor but far be it from me to prevent you or lambast it. Doing so would be an affront to "Democracy in Action".


huhummm....

China’s dangerous game

By Eric Watkins

LOS ANGELES, May 11 – The international oil and gas industry normally does not concern itself with fishermen, but that view may have to change given the ambiguous role being played by Chinese fishermen in and around the South China Sea these days.

The question of fishermen has come up recently in connection with the Scarborough Shoal or Huangyan Island, an area of the South China Sea claimed by China and the Philippines. Indeed, in the past month, the two nations have been at loggerheads over ownership of the shoal, raising concerns of war.

That view was underlined in a recent editorial in Chinese state media when Qu Xing, director of the China Institute of International Studies (CIIS), said the outcome of the Huangyan Island dispute depends entirely on the Philippines.

‘COMPLICATED AND PERSISTENT’

“If the Philippine side withdraws its vessels from the sea area around Huangyan Island, stops harassing Chinese fishing and government vessels, the situation will improve. If the Philippine side continues its wrong acts, the situation may only escalate to become more complicated and persistent,” said Qu.

What Qu meant by “complicated and persistent” is unclear, but it certainly has an ominous tone. Chinese officials are clearly in no mood to back off from their claims either, even if the United States is supportive of the Philippines.

According to CIIS Vice-Director Dong Manyuan, the Philippine side continues to “miscalculate the situation” and insists on strategic negotiations, making it hard to forecast an optimistic short-term outlook.

“The Philippine side’s miscalculation stems from its wrong perception of the possible strategic effects of the United States’ strategy to return to Asia,” Dong said, referring to President Barack Obama’s now famed decision to rebalance U.S. military forces toward Asia-Pacific.

‘PHILIPPINES’ MISPERCEPTION’

Dong also commented on the Philippines’ misperception “of how much support it will get from the Mutual Defense Treaty with the U.S., of China’s resolve to safeguard its territorial integrity, and whether other southeast Asian countries that claim sovereignty over parts of the South China Sea will act with it.”

China is not alone in its unwillingness to back off from the situation, Chinese analysts said. According to them, the prospect of the situation is bleak because the Philippines, out of political needs both domestically and internationally, is unlikely to reverse its approach to the incident in the short term.

According to Dong, however, China has been improving its diplomatic efforts and has maintained its position of seeking diplomatic solutions to the current situation, asking the Philippine side to correct its “wrong” position, drop “unreasonable” demands, and return to a “right course” as soon as possible.

‘SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES’

“However, the Philippine side will definitely meet serious consequences if it is bent on challenging China’s sovereignty bottom line,” Dong said, adding to the menacing tone expressed by his CIIS colleague Qu.

The editorial citing Qu and Dong began by blaming the Philippines for the current standoff in the South China Sea, saying that in early April, Manila sent a warship to “harass” 12 Chinese fishing vessels, which sailed into the waters of Huangyan Island to shelter from bad weather.

The editorial said that Huangyan Island, a group of reefs and islets about 550 sea miles away from the Hainan Island in south China, has long provided a perfect shelter for fishing ships from nearby islands and the mainland of China.

“For many generations we have fished in this water,” said Ke Weixiu, a fisherman and native from the port of Tanmen in Hainan.

TERRITORIAL AMBITIONS

It sounds simple enough, but comments by another Chinese academic suggest that Beijing is actually using fishermen to further the nation’s territorial ambitions in the Philippines and elsewhere.

“Exploiting maritime resources in the South China Sea and sending fishing fleets there are effective ways to reinforce China’s territorial claims in the region,” Zhuang Guotu, director of Xiamen University’s Center for Southeast Asia Studies, was quoted as saying in China’s Global Times.

If so, then the question of provocation takes a different perspective entirely. Indeed, it seems China is using fishermen to provoke a response from countries in the region in order to step up its territorial claims. Even backing from the U.S. is apparently no deterrent to China’s ambitions in the region.

This is clearly a dangerous game of brinkmanship. China is spoiling for a fight.

http://oildiplomacy.wordpress.com/2012/05/10/watching-world-energy-68/

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Avenger, I have heard there were Vietnamese too in the protest, is that true? I think this photo is testament to it

and what im suggesting is not taking stand?

What do you think? :lol:

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/video/119652/mga-pinoy-sa-paris-nakiisa-sa-global-day-of-action-vs-umano-y-paninindak-ng-china-sa-pilipinas

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/video/119653/grupo-ng-mga-pilipino-sa-new-york-nakiisa-sa-anti-china-protests
(Parang nasita ng pulis yung mga nagproprotesta sa NY)

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/video/119646/filipino-chinese-chamber-of-commerce-suportado-ang-anti-china-protests

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/video/119603/global-day-of-action-inilunsad-laban-sa-pag-angkin-ng-china-sa-panatag-shoal

So someone flew from the US to the PH when there are assemblies in different parts in the US? :lol:

Maritime standoff continues for the 32nd straight days with no signs of ending anytime soon ...


http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/120511/standoff-south-china-sea-qa-asia-societys-andrew-billo

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2012/0511/China-s-standoff-with-the-Philippines-heats-up-with-travel-warnings-oil-drilling

Maritime standoff continues for the 32nd straight days with no signs of ending anytime soon ...


http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/120511/standoff-south-china-sea-qa-asia-societys-andrew-billo

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2012/0511/China-s-standoff-with-the-Philippines-heats-up-with-travel-warnings-oil-drilling

Good finds!

Mr. Chovanec says to consider a parallel with Europe pre-World War I. Most Europeans, if asked in 1914 if they thought war was looming because of a dispute over Bosnian territory, would have laughed the notion off. “There are areas of conflict that seem to be peripheral but must be viewed and understood in a broader context,” Chovanec said. “China sees the South China Sea as a place where it can project power against some of the weaker links in the neighborhood.”

Still, not helping matters was China Central Television anchorwoman He Jia saying on Monday in a nationally televised broadcast, “We all know that the Philippines is China’s inherent territory and the Philippines belongs to Chinese sovereignty, this is an indisputable fact.”

Most of us here have been drawing parallels to WW2 which is just by far a continuation of WW1 so I think WW1 parallels are also to be considered.

China is the new "Austro-Hungarian" empire?

huhummm....
I take it from your "hohumming" that you're too far gone in your overly nationalists hungover to care. Now I'll leave you to rest on your laurels until you wake up sober. In the meantime i'll contribute to meaningful posts.

When you do wake up, you might want to actually read my last post including this one and think about them:

You implicitly stated, ' Lilyr watches too much Raymart/Claudine for her opinion to be valid/ make sense" Is that not an ad hominem? In fallacies, attacks don't have to be direct.
I was expecting you to answer exactly how Beijing is curtailing or insulting our freedom to assemble. Last I checked, they're not our government. They can't stop us from doing so even if they make demands or actually insult us in any way and I haven't seen any such official statements. We have the freedom to ignore it. They're too far away to bother and they're only irritating themselves.
Waray, did you not remember our last convo? The one where you told me off for not "sharing everything you know"? It is disappointing to see someone who favors the spread of knowledge and facts to slip into the bowels of overly nationalist/emotional sentiments. You are aware that leads to a lack of logic? If we disallow cooler heads to prevails, are we not condemning ourselves?

Think about this when you wake up even though by that time this discussion would be moot.

Commentary: After more than one month standoff over the Scarborough Shoal islands with China, Filipinos patriots took the streets peacefully to denounce the Chinese aggression and bullying actions over the disputed area. China has condemned the demonstration and used it as the pretext to cancel vacation tours to the Philippines. It is a small demonstration of the Chinese soft power. China has consistently refused to resolve the dispute through normal diplomacy or international arbitration. Instead, China has kept sending ships to the area to show its might.
fil13 Thousand Filipinos demonstrate against Chinas aggression in Manilla; Vietnamese activists also participated.
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fil10 Thousand Filipinos demonstrate against Chinas aggression in Manilla; Vietnamese activists also participated.

Mẹ Nấm and her friends joined the anti-China demonstration in Manilla
fil15 Thousand Filipinos demonstrate against Chinas aggression in Manilla; Vietnamese activists also participated.

police was nice with peaceful demonstrators

Fil-Americans are also going to hold rallies today across the USA to bring attention to world of Chinese aggression and bullying.

Vietnamese people understand Filipinos’ plight better than anyone because Vietnam has also been a target of Chinese aggression. Vietnam held 8 consecutive anti-China demonstrations until the government crackdown on these demonstrations in order to appease Chinese authorities. Since then, Vietnamese people have been demonstrating in silence. Today, some Vietnamese activists, known as Mẹ Nấm and her friends, have made the special trip from Vietnam to join to show Vietnamese solidarity with the Filipinos.

Let’s not forget there are 4 million overseas Vietnamese understand your plight as we share same destiny, you can count on the Vietnamese support.

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Anti-China protests took place in the capital of the Philippines over a territorial dispute in the South China Sea.

About 1,000 people gathered outside the Chinese embassy in Manila to protest against what they say are Chinese intrusions, as tensions increase in a long-standing dispute over the Scarborough Shoal islands claimed by both countries.

“Our protest is directed at the overbearing actions and stance of the government in Beijing, which behaves like an arrogant overlord, even in the homes of its neighbours,” said rally organiser Loida Nicholas Lewis.

The protesters carried placards that read: “China stop bullying the Philippines”, “Make Peace Not War”, and “China, Stop Poaching in Philippine Waters”.

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Philippine officials said they expected the Manila rally to be peaceful.

In Beijing, authorities stepped up security around the Philippines’ embassy, with squads of police waiting in streets near the mission and plainclothes guards also monitoring passers-by.

Tensions over territorial rights in the South China Sea have been building since a standoff between Chinese ships and a Philippine naval vessel near the Scarborough Shoal islands early last month.

China insists it has sovereign rights to all of the South China Sea, even waters close to the coast of other countries and hundreds of miles from its own mainland.

The Philippines says it has sovereign rights over waters within its 200-nautical-mile exclusive economic zone, and that its position is supported by international law.

Apart from China and the Philippines, Taiwan, Malaysia, Brunei and Vietnam, also have overlapping claims to parts of the South China Sea, believed to be rich in oil and other resources, making the waters one of Asia’s potential flashpoints for armed conflict.

China’s official military newspaper said on Friday that a US shift in strategy to increase its influence in the south Asia had emboldened Manila, a key Washington regional ally, in its dispute with Beijing.

“The United States’ shift in strategic focus to the east and its entry into the South China Sea issue has provided the Philippines with room for strategic manoeuvre, and to certain extent increased the Philippines’ chips to play against us, emboldening them to take a risky course,” said the Liberation Army Daily.

http://www.eyedrd.org/2012/05/thousand-filipinos-demonstrate-against-chinas-aggression-in-manilla-vietnamese-activists-also-participated.html

So there were Vietnamese in the protests.

Kamukha ni Richard Gomez yung nasa left :lol:

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Zest Air, AirPhil Express suspend charter flights from China

11-May-12, 6:48 PM | Ma. Stella F. Arnaldo, Special to InterAksyon

MANILA, Philippines - Zest Airways Inc. (formerly Asian Spirit) and AirPhil Express (formerly Air Philippines) have suspended charters from several points in China, in the wake of cancellations of trips to the Philippines by Chinese travel agencies.

Tourism industry professionals said that while a travel ban from China might hurt “temporarily,” the sector needs to adjust to “our strategic marketing plan” to cope with the situation.

In an interview, Aileen Clemente, president of the Philippine Travel Agencies Association said of a possible permanent travel ban: “Maybe those who have the China market as a niche market will hurt temporarily at least, but these are risks that we take with our business.”

Separately, Marceline Clemente (no relation to Aileen), president of the Tourism Congress said that “government needs to fast-track the relaxation of visa requirements for our neighboring countries such as India and Russia, so we can adjust our promotions to them to fill the gap that will be created by the Chinese market.”

Last Thursday, tourism industry sources confirmed that their partners in China had informed them that a more permanent travel ban might be announced by the Chinese government in the next few days, owing to the ongoing tensions in the Scarborough Shoal.

The Department of Tourism, however, said, that it had not received any word of an official travel ban.

Meanwhile, Art Alejandrino, board director of Zest Air, confirmed with InterAksyon.com that twice-weekly charter flights from Shanghai to Kalibo are suspended as of Saturday, May 12.

Also, he said, thrice-weekly charters from Jinjiang province to Manila, just launched April 26, have also been suspended. “It would have been daily flights starting June 26.” He added that Shanghai to Cebu charters, as well as Beijing-Kalibo charters were supposed to start June 29.

“It was a business decision on our end, to suspend those charters. If there is no demand, we can’t fly those planes. But I think this situation [between the Philippines and China] is temporary. I can understand why they had to cancel,” Alejandrino said.

Zest Air uses 180-seat Airbus 320s for its charter flights. Alejandrino said they had an “average passenger load of 90 percent” for those charters.

In a fax “emergency notice” to its travel agents dated May 9, a copy of which was obtained by InterAksyon.com, the Beijing Xinhai Charterer said: “Due to recent emergency situation between the Philippines and China, and for the security of passengers, Flight 2P-826/2P-825 (Peking, China-Kalibo, Philippines and vice versa) will be stop effective May 12, 2012. Resume of flight will be base on the situation (sic).” 2P is the call sign of AirPhil Express.

Officials of the airline, however, could not be reached for comment as of press time. As per previous news reports, the charter service, which uses an A320, began in September 2011.

Cebu Pacific yesterday announced that it had suspended charter flights from Shanghai to China, effective May 12. As this developed, PTAA’s Clemente said of the possible official travel ban from China: “We just have to adjust our strategic marketing plan and strengthen other target markets.”

DOT Undersecretary and OIC-spokesperson Ma. Victoria Jasmin confirmed though that they had already received reports of trip cancellations from China due to the mounting tensions between the East Asian state and the Philippines.

About 10 groups averaging 25-75 persons each had cancelled trips to the country. She also confirmed cancellations of chartered flights from Beijing, Shanghai, and Guangzhou.

For her part, the Tourism Congress’ Clemente said that while the current figures still didn't show that the China cancellations would have a large impact on the industry, “moving forward, under the National Tourism Development Plan, our plans are affected because the market would have made a valuable contribution to achieving tourist arrivals targets.”

She said some of the TC members in the accommodations sector “are afraid that their plans are affected since they are trying to close clients for the start of the peak season in July. But they are now trying to redesign their marketing program geared towards other markets, without losing focus, of course on the Chinese market.”

She said more promotions would now be geared toward attracting the Korean market even further, as well as the renewed Japanese market. “We can switch to the Indian market as well, and also the Russians,” she added.Clemente said it would help if the Philippine government can “fast-track” the lifting of visa restrictions and allow Indians and Russians, for instance, to get their visas upon arrival in Manila.

Also, she said, the industry would be looking forward to the fruits of the DOT’s partnerships with its counterparts in Malaysia and Singapore as the agencies had begun promoting their countries to Europe in partnership with the Philippines.

“This means, when Singapore and Malaysia market themselves to the European market, they will also be promoting the Philippines. We can offer the Europeans something not offered in Singapore, like beaches for instance. So they can spend three days in Singapore, and the rest of their stay in the Philippines. And for the price of one ticket, they get two countries,” she explained.

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/31653/zest-air-airphil-express-suspend-charter-flights-from-china

Avenger, I have heard there were Vietnamese too in the protest, is that true? I think this photo is testament to it

Yes there were Vietnamese in the rally yesterday.
At least 2 I have confirmed were Vietnamese.

http://64.19.142.13/www.interaksyon.com/assets/images/westphilippinesea/800xwestphilsea.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18032006

11 May 2012 Last updated at 10:11 ET Help

A small rock in the middle of the South China Sea is the centre of a growing diplomatic row between China and the Philippines.

Tension has increased in recent weeks over who controls a group of small uninhabited islands between the two nations.

This week, in what is being seen as a provocative act, a Chinese journalist planted a flag on one of the rocks, prompting thousands of people to take to the streets of the capital, Manila.

Kate McGeown reports.

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Comments like these are way off base and doesn't serve any good. We are not protesting or fighting for our rights because they are Chinese. Stop this race card. That's not the reason at all. We are protesting because they are grabbing our own resources.

you beat me to it. I dont why some people still do this in an argument.:ohno:

We are only protecting what is ours.



watch some taiwanese CG lols!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/philippines/9259582/The-China-Philippines-dispute-explained-in-cartoon.html

you beat me to it. I dont why some people still do this in an argument.:ohno:

We are only protecting what is ours.

Looks like the collateral damage of internationalizing the issue is the international media making it a "race game".

Heck, even local Chinese businessmen and Chinese mainland immigrants do not agree with the commie government up there in the mainland. Also, our president is known to be of Chinese descent.

What do you think? :lol:

Encouraging fishing and other activities in the spratly's is not taking a stand? :weird:

Agree ako sa first sentence ni Mr Grey. the US must be laughing its ass off knowing it would come down to this. wish ko lang hinintay muna natin na malakas na tayo before we asked the US to go away.

anyway, wala na tayong magagawa sa past. kaya please lang huwag na tayong magsisihan, all we need now is PAGKAKAISA and find solutions.

unang-una, aminin din muna natin we can't do this alone. I know many are willing to fight but mabuti na yung wala o kunti lang ang mamamatay (let's protect our mothers, our wives, our children and everyone who for some reason are too frail to take arms).

secondly, let's get all the help we can. interesado pa kaya ang US ibalik ang bases kahit sa Subic man lang? ibalik na muna natin - kahit temporarily man lang while we're still not strong enough to fight a giant. siguradong magdadalawang isip ang China when a US naval base is just a stone's throw away. let the US have exclusive sharing rights sa oil so they'll actually have an interest.

lastly, let's not depend on band-aid solutions alone. palakasin ang hukbong sandatahan. pwede naman siguro natin paalisin ulit ang US kung malakas na tayo, maybe in 25 years, that is kung ayaw talaga natin ng US base.

I don't think the US is laughing on this matter. They are very much worried about the situation as Philippines are right now because they are more likely to get drag into a conflict like this again. They are just watching this from a distance.

When Beijing made announcements that they are ready for war - it really means they are ready to make a war with US if this escalates any further (which I hope would not happen) because they knew that the US will react quickly to the situation. So at any time, this could get very nasty and Philippines would be caught in a crossfire once again. :ohno:

I don't think the US is laughing on this matter. They are very much worried about the situation as Philippines are right now because they are more likely to get drag into a conflict like this again. They are just watching this from a distance.

When Beijing made announcements that they are ready for war - it really means they are ready to make a war with US if this escalates any further (which I hope would not happen) because they knew that the US will react quickly to the situation. So at any time, this could get very nasty and Philippines would be caught in a crossfire once again. :ohno:

parang ang malas ng location natin :lol:

Encouraging fishing and other activities in the spratly's is not taking a stand? :weird:

Don't veer away from the current issue because all you have been harking is about giving up the Panatag Shoal like a candy all along to kiss the CCP's big @$$.

Do you think that giving it up will not emboldened the retarded CCP to further grab those territories in WPS?

Looks like the collateral damage of internationalizing the issue is the international media making it a "race game".

Heck, even local Chinese businessmen and Chinese mainland immigrants do not agree with the commie government up there in the mainland. Also, our president is known to be of Chinese descent.

is there a source you could cite that mention their disagreement? AFAIK, deadma lang sila, it doesnt matter what race you are, if you are filipino you are filipino. I dont care if Aquino is 100% chinese, but that is irrelevant to the situation. if he is a patriot he will fight for this country.

is there a source you could cite that mention their disagreement? AFAIK, deadma lang sila, it doesnt matter what race you are, if you are filipino you are filipino. I dont care if Aquino is 100% chinese, but that is irrelevant to the situation. if he is a patriot he will fight for this country.

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/257841/news/nation/filipino-chinese-traders-join-anti-china-rally-in-makati

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/video/119605/ilang-turistang-chinese-tuloy-lang-ang-bakasyon-sa-pilipinas

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/video/119606/pagkansela-ng-tours-sa-pilipinas-walang-maitutulong-sa-tensyon-sa-panatag-shoal

Don't veer away from the current issue because all you have been harking is about giving up the Panatag Shoal like a candy all along to kiss the CCP's big @$$.

Do you think that giving it up will not emboldened the retarded CCP to further grab those territories in WPS?

maybe that accidental declaration that china owns the whole philippines is just a step to own the seas east of the Philippines and rename it Fu ling ping sea! :ohno:

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/257841/news/nation/filipino-chinese-traders-join-anti-china-rally-in-makati

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/video/119605/ilang-turistang-chinese-tuloy-lang-ang-bakasyon-sa-pilipinas

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/video/119606/pagkansela-ng-tours-sa-pilipinas-walang-maitutulong-sa-tensyon-sa-panatag-shoal

I dont know if I should be happy or sad... chinese pinoys are joining the rallies, what about the others? as someone mentioned here in SSC, it looks like most pinoys are still on the wait and see attitude.

I hope we could not always make the mistake of associating Chinese with the CCP Chicom fat heads of PROC.

The Chinese people in mainland are getting weary and tired with the way those CCP fat heads are controlling every aspect of their life. The Scarborough shoal issue is simply a perfect opportunity for them to channel their internal problems into.

What is "accidental" is what the subconscious say :lol:

Anyway... Other than the Vietnamese, are there other foreign nationals in the rally?

I see a puti here. I caught this one at the Al Jazeera video

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/4871/captureodc.jpg

I dont know if I should be happy or sad... chinese pinoys are joining the rallies, what about the others? as someone mentioned here in SSC, it looks like most pinoys are still on the wait and see attitude.

Nothing to worry about them. They are Filipinos loud and clear. :)

I dont know if I should be happy or sad... chinese pinoys are joining the rallies, what about the others? as someone mentioned here in SSC, it looks like most pinoys are still on the wait and see attitude.

The "Filipino Chinese" is out there on our side while supposedly "indio" people like Victor Arches II thinks that the shoal is China's. :ohno: Even the "Kastila" Mr. Razon got angry at MVP for dealing with the Chinese in the oil-gas exploration.

I hope we could not always make the mistake of associating Chinese with the CCP Chicom fat heads of PROC.

The Chinese people in mainland are getting weary and tired with the way those CCP fat heads are controlling every aspect of their life. The Scarborough shoal issue is simply a perfect opportunity for them to channel their internal problems into.

well there are hongkese burning Philippine and American flags. Its chinese nationalism or ultranationalism, i would say. Even hongkong movies which i am fond of, there is of subliminal chinese nationalism inserted.

well there are hongkese burning Philippine and American flags. Its chinese nationalism or ultranationalism, i would say. Even hongkong movies which i am fond of, there is of subliminal chinese nationalism inserted.

Maybe they are mainlanders living in Hong Kong? :lol: Those who burned the flag :nuts:

The "Filipino Chinese" is out there on our side while supposedly "indio" people like Victor Arches II thinks that the shoal is China's. :ohno: Even the "Kastila" Mr. Razon got angry at MVP for dealing with the Chinese in the oil-gas exploration.

well thats just race baiting, like I said, we are just pinoys in the end.

since you mention "filipino chinese" i would like the opportunity to ask why is it filipino chinese and not chinese filipinos? filipinos in america are called fil-ams because they are of pinoy descent holding US citizenship. I actually never heard of filipino chinese until only a few years ago. when you say chinese american, you are an american of a descrption of being a chinese descent. why is this so?

Maybe they are mainlanders living in Hong Kong? :lol: Those who burned the flag :nuts:

I dont wanna really generalize anything, i hope everybody takes this with a grain of salt but i heard people say that Pinoys are like the blacks of asia, to the Han which are supposedly the whites.

In chinese populated countries like Hongkong, Singapore, Taiwan and China pinoys are being looked down as second class citizens.

sorry OT na :nuts:

Don't veer away from the current issue because all you have been harking is about giving up the Panatag Shoal like a candy all along to kiss the CCP's big @$$.

Do you think that giving it up will not emboldened the retarded CCP to further grab those territories in WPS?

no, you clearly misunderstood

and how is making a direct response to your question veering off topic - try not to get too emotional

I don't have any more opinion on scarborough - im not sure we're in a position to make a difference there anymore. I'm indifferent towards staying or leaving

So can you tell me - how is encouraging fishing/oil exploration etc...in the Spratlys not taking a stand? Please answer, thanks.

well thats just race baiting, like I said, we are just pinoys in the end.

since you mention "filipino chinese" i would like the opportunity to ask why is it filipino chinese and not chinese filipinos? filipinos in america are called fil-ams because they are of pinoy descent holding US citizenship. I actually never heard of filipino chinese until only a few years ago. when you say chinese american, you are an american of a descrption of being a chinese descent. why is this so?

Grammatically, it is "Chinese Filipinos" but the wide usage in the Philippines is either Tsinoy or Filipino-Chinese, a lot of times abbreviated to "Fil-Chi" (which sounds better than Chi-Fil :lol:)

well I would like to use the grammatically correct usage. because I find it insulting to Pinoys to describe them as FIL CHI its like they like to be dissociated from being pinoys, but thats just me.

I don't think the US is laughing on this matter. They are very much worried about the situation as Philippines are right now because they are more likely to get drag into a conflict like this again. They are just watching this from a distance.

When Beijing made announcements that they are ready for war - it really means they are ready to make a war with US if this escalates any further (which I hope would not happen) because they knew that the US will react quickly to the situation. So at any time, this could get very nasty and Philippines would be caught in a crossfire once again. :ohno:

Interesting, how exactly do you come to the conclusion that they [america] will most likely get dragged into this, when they have already made it clear they aren't taking sides on the issue?

Don't forget the MDT is very vague with regards to SCS/WPS. America isn't going to risk its trade with china for the sake of the philippines.

We Filipinos should now realize that we don't have any neighbors nor allies to defend us in terms of military crisis. They are just there for good times but bad times, nah!

http://www.eyedrd.org/2012/05/ducky-parades-why-is-chinese-aggression-worse-than-hitler-and-mussolinis-actions.html#comment-21756

The world will not accept Chinese dictak and give in to another Munich in the South China Sea

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Fortunately, China has experienced the exponential economic growth for the past 3 decades by becoming the world’s factory and the biggest market. With the new found strengths, China wants to assert its new dominance in the world and erase its humiliated parts of its history.

Recently, China has claimed its sovereignty over 80% the South China Sea without any legal nor historical merits. Despite being a permanent member of the UN security council, a judiciary member of International Tribunal, and a signatory member of United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), China has consistently refused to take its claims of South China Sea to international instances for arbitration. Instead, China has been using its military might to bully its neighboring countries and attempts to force the fait accompli to the world. The Chinese newspapers, controlled by the State and serve as mouth piece for the regime, have been very vocal in advocating for wars against Vietnam and the Philippines, and threatening the United States, Russia, India and European Union from involving the region.

The world has self- interest in defending the freedom of navigation through South China Sea and should oppose to the unreasonable dictak of Chinese government. The best way to prevent the war is to stand up to the unjust demand as history has shown us that Munich Agreement in 1938 did not appease Hitler’s appetite and the Second World War followed soon after. The world will not give in to another Munich.

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“The Chinese actions on the South Seas dispute is aggression pure and simple. It is far worse than the actions of Hitler and Mussolini on the eve of World War II. Hitler’s claims on the Sudetenland and German-speaking parts of Poland have at least some historical basis. At one time these areas were part of the First Reich i.e. Charlemagne’s Holy Roman Empire. Mussolini’s claims to parts of the Balkan Peninsula like Albania and parts of Yugoslavia also have historical basis. They were once part of the Roman Empire. In the case of the Chinese claims to the South China Sea its only basis is that their fishermen have been fishing in these waters since way back.

scarborough shoal1 Ducky Parades: Why is Chinese aggression worse than Hitler and Mussolinis actions? Another Munich is unacceptable

“Fishing in distant waters does not confer ownership. The Japanese, the Americans and the Scandinavian countries have been whale fishing in Antarctic Waters since the l7th Century, but this was not used as a pretext by these countries to claim ownership of the Antarctic. The accepted principle in International Law is ownership is conferred on a country by right of discovery, which must be followed by effective occupation. Moreover, the occupation must be continuous. This is the reason why the acts of Hitler and Mussolini drew universal condemnation before WW II because they did not have continuous occupation of the territories they were claiming. In the case of China now, they have never occupied the Scarborough Shoal at all in the past. They have not even claimed right of discovery; it is more likely that our pre-Spanish ancestors reached these waters before the Chinese. Thus, their claim to Scarborough Shoal is on far more shaky ground than Hitler and Mussolini’s territorial claims before World War II.

“What we are seeing now is a plain and simple case of bullying. The Chinese have been engaged in stand offs with Vietnam and us, but not with the other claimant countries like Malaysia and Taiwan. The reason for this is evident. We don’t have a single jet fighter; the Vietnamese have antiquated Vietnam era jet fighters. By way of contrast, the Malaysians have state of the art F-18 Hornet Fighters, while the Taiwanese have over one hundred fifty F-16 Falcons. The solution for us is clear. We must at least have a credible deterrent to encroachment on our territory. While we do not expect to win an all-out war with China, it goes without saying that if the cost of aggression is high enough that will be an effective deterrent.

“It is nice to talk about settling international problems through diplomacy. However, as a retired diplomat I know the limits of diplomacy. No less than Winston Churchill had pointed out that no amount of diplomacy could have saved the Ethiopians from Mussolini or the Czechs from Hitler before World War II.

“The best use of diplomacy under the circumstances is to form alliances with other countries. Negotiations between a lion and a rabbit will always have a predictable outcome.” – Hermie C. Cruz, Ambassador (ret.)

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The retired ambassador is absolutely correct. Still, one remembers being in Laos, a country that has to be a rabbit dealing with the lion that China has always been. I don’t really know how this rabbit did it but it was always a step ahead of China and without getting into a war — whether cyber or a word war — with their Lion. (In truth, at the time that I was there, the Internet did not yet exist).

In our present predicament, the fact that we announced to the world that our Foreign Secretary and our Defense Chief would be meeting with the American counterparts and that the China problem would be brought up by the Philippines seems to me like an obvious veiled threat: “We will tell you to our Big Brother!”

We can only hope that this was done under American direction. Imagine how naked the Philippines would be if there were an unlikely statement by the US that they will not interfere in our disagreement with China!

As for our lack of military hardware, this was something that our ultra Nationalist Senate should have thought off when we kicked out the American bases. In truth, our congress did plan on putting aside billions to beef up our military. Somehow, however, the money set aside disappeared but no jet fighters, tanks or destroyers were bought.

Everything that we got from our chief ally — the US — were second-hand surplus equipment even as we bought brand-new Italian jet trainer planes that killed off many of our trainees, Where did all that money go?

Thus are we naked (militarily) before our enemy, the bully. Unfortunately, this world has only tears for those who suffer at the hands of bullies, especially when this country has been so foolish as to go forth on its own, naked and defenseless, while at the same time showing the lion its crass and corrupt face.

Why should China fear a nation whose leaders are so easy to corrupt? A little bit of grease money, the Chinese found when ZTE was negotiating with us, can go a long way with Pinoys.

To them, we have no sense of nationhood. It’s every man or woman for himself.

As for the Americans, perhaps, they will soon have a gilded invitation to again to set up a large military base, this time in Mindanao?

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The news that Globe and Smart are selling Nokia Lumia Windows-powered Smartphones does not excite me much. As Smartphone software goes, it is Apple’s IOS first, followed by Google’s Android with Windows a poor third. In fact, it is expected (according to reports from the trade) that the present Windows Smartphone software will eventually be phased out hopefully with a better one. What happens then to the phones with the present software?

So, caveat emptor, as they say in Rome.

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We Filipinos should now realize that we don't have any neighbors nor allies to defend us in terms of military crisis. They are just there for good times but bad times, nah!

You may or may not be right - fact is, as you say, we need to prepare and act as if we have no backing. [which seems to be the case here]

i feel like some people are getting too carried with their feelings here to think about it rationally. I've read comments such as signing a MDT with India....which would be a great idea if only it had even a 0.5% chance of being a reality.

There see to be quite a number of "foreigners" in the protest...

http://www.eyedrd.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/fil10.jpg

no, you clearly misunderstood

and how is making a direct response to your question veering off topic - try not to get too emotional

I don't have any more opinion on scarborough - im not sure we're in a position to make a difference there anymore. I'm indifferent towards staying or leaving

So can you tell me - how is encouraging fishing/oil exploration etc...in the Spratlys not taking a stand? Please answer, thanks.

I am not being emotional here but if we give up just one territory, do you think that all of them will not be followed? We might wake up one morning surprised, that stepping beyond 50 miles off our coasts is already trespassing the Chinese territory. How would that be?

When we mean taking a stand - that means showing to the aggressor all over the world that we don't accept them bullying and intimidating us by muscle flexing alone - especially that we try to resolve this as diplomatically as possible in a more civilized and globalized setting. And that getting what they want is not going to work because they are only making more enemies in the process. All their hard work for building a good reputation will go to waste for waging a war against a small, weak country. So enough is enough.

in the end it wouldnt be a war of economics and territorial disputes but a war of ideologies, principles and faith...

in the end it wouldnt be a war of economics and territorial disputes but a war of ideologies, principles and faith...

I think you are right. In the outer core, it seems economics and territorial but scratch beneath, I guess it goes down to ideologies and principles.

Point 1: China was irate that we have a measly 300 protesters :lol: and accused us of worsening the tension but didn't give a damn of the Chinese who burned US and Philippine flags. Lucky for them, our police have the decency to arrest flag burners (I guess China has a special privilege since protesters in the past have burned US and Singaporean flags)

China, it seems, is afraid of democracy even if it is happening out of their jurisdiction/territory(unless they seriously think that Manila is part of their sovereignty :lol:). While Filipinos will not tolerate a totalitarian regime that exceeds Marcos :lol:

There you go battle of ideology

Point 2: Principles.
China thinks they are an exception (gaya gaya puto maya sa US exceptionalism which they equally complain about :lol:) while the Philippines has been pushing for proper talks in the international forum. (habang ang mga kapitbahay natin eh mga sitting ducks :lol:)

Interesting, how exactly do you come to the conclusion that they [america] will most likely get dragged into this, when they have already made it clear they aren't taking sides on the issue?

Don't forget the MDT is very vague with regards to SCS/WPS. America isn't going to risk its trade with china for the sake of the philippines.

When Beijing declared that it is ready for any further escalation - they are indirectly referring to the US. Philippines is weak and that is the reason for pressuring us into submission - through military and through unofficial economic sanctions. Beijing is more worried about the US and its allies coming over when they make their first attack against the Philippines.

After the war of terror, the US made a 'pivot' to the Pacific and that they are gravely concerned with regards to freedom of navigation and trade on the seas that those CCP fat heads in Beijing tries to control.

The Philippines interest in claiming those outlying territories is incidental to the US interests to maintain the sea lanes free and open.

When Beijing declared that it is ready for any further escalation - they are indirectly referring to the US. Philippines is weak and that is the reason for pressuring us into submission - through military and through unofficial economic sanctions. Beijing is more worried about the US and its allies coming over when they make their first attack against the Philippines.

After the war of terror, the US made a 'pivot' to the Pacific and that they are gravely concerned with regards to freedom of navigation and trade on the seas that those CCP fat heads in Beijing tries to control.

The Philippines interest in claiming those outlying territories is incidental to the US interests to maintain the sea lanes free and open.

Even the Defense and State Department are wanting that the Congress pass the UNCLOS but then, in the year of the election, looks like it has to wait. But, maybe, events in the WPS might just spark a floor debate.

I don't think the US is laughing on this matter. They are very much worried about the situation as Philippines are right now because they are more likely to get drag into a conflict like this again. They are just watching this from a distance.

When Beijing made announcements that they are ready for war - it really means they are ready to make a war with US if this escalates any further (which I hope would not happen) because they knew that the US will react quickly to the situation. So at any time, this could get very nasty and Philippines would be caught in a crossfire once again. :ohno:

I dont believe that Beijing will succumb to their war hawks and nationalists' rhetoric (for now, I hope). They currently do not have the means (to project power and challenge the US and its allies) nor is the situation convenient for them to do so.
Think about it, if they do shoot first they are essentially victimising the "person in a wheelchair" and they will suddenly find themselves in a hostile neighborhood. Papa Sugar will win lots of allies and Russia will suddenly be very lonely at the UN meetings:lol::lol::lol:

Which is why I advocate for the Noynoying policy:lol: as in not overtly doing anything that will give Beijing reasons for tougher rhetoric or eventually hurt us. We need to stay quiet, continue our assertion of claims i.e. patrolling the area, builidng defenses etc. We may not like looking weak now but this could be our golden ticket.

I dont believe that Beijing will succumb to their war hawks and nationalists' rhetoric (for now, I hope). They currently do not have the means (to project power and challenge the US and its allies) nor is the situation convenient for them to do so.
Think about it, if they do shoot first they are essentially victimising the "person in a wheelchair" and they will suddenly find themselves in a hostile neighborhood. Papa Sugar will win lots of allies and Russia will suddenly be very lonely at the UN meetings:lol::lol::lol:

Which is why I advocate for the Noynoying policy:lol: as in not overtly not doing anything that will give Beijing reasons for tougher rhetoric or eventually hurt us. We need to stay quiet, continue our assertion of claims i.e. patrolling the area, builidng defenses etc. We may not like looking weak now but this could be our golden ticket.

As Askal's signature: Silent water runs deep (though our president is talkative, I am referring to his "noynoying") :lol:

I dont believe that Beijing will succumb to their war hawks and nationalists' rhetoric (for now, I hope). They currently do not have the means (to project power and challenge the US and its allies) nor is the situation convenient for them to do so.
Think about it, if they do shoot first they are essentially victimising the "person in a wheelchair" and they will suddenly find themselves in a hostile neighborhood. Papa Sugar will win lots of allies and Russia will suddenly be very lonely at the UN meetings:lol::lol::lol:

Which is why I advocate for the Noynoying policy:lol: as in not overtly not doing anything that will give Beijing reasons for tougher rhetoric or eventually hurt us. We need to stay quiet, continue our assertion of claims i.e. patrolling the area, builidng defenses etc. We may not like looking weak now but this could be our golden ticket.

Sana nga. :)

As Askal's signature: Silent water runs deep (though our president is talkative, I am referring to his "noynoying") :lol:

I think we are waging them a war on principles. Let's hope that Mohandas Gandhi is right again. :)

in the end it wouldnt be a war of economics and territorial disputes but a war of ideologies, principles and faith...

I so agree.

We stand still, while Beijing is making all the fuss by trying to intimidate and scare us into submission.

We haven't changed our position, but they have several times.

parang ang malas ng location natin :lol:
:lol: Remember an old Mexican cantina joke? Ay que pobre Mexico, so far from God but so close to the United States. :lol:

In our case, Ay que pobre Filipinas, so far from God but so close to China. :jk:

I am not being emotional here but if we give up just one territory, do you think that all of them will not be followed? We might wake up one morning surprised, that stepping beyond 50 miles off our coasts is already trespassing the Chinese territory. How would that be?

When we mean taking a stand - that means showing to the aggressor all over the world that we don't accept them bullying and intimidating us by muscle flexing alone - especially that we try to resolve this as diplomatically as possible in a more civilized and globalized setting. And that getting what they want is not going to work because they are only making more enemies in the process. All their hard work for building a good reputation will go to waste for waging a war against a small, weak country. So enough is enough.Lemme say it again from a geopolitical perpective. A Chinese controlled Scarborough or Panatag will expose the entire Western flank of Luzon from La Union to Cavite to further Chinese intimidation in the future, not to mention Manila Bay and Manila itself at a distance of a mere 130NM. Think about that, think hard about that. Intimidation need not take the form of outright military invasion of Western Luzon but the mere fact of having Chinese military hardware so close by is already enough to send any future Beijing message loud and clear. When that happens the Philippines is on its way to becoming the next vassal/ puppet state after Cambodia.

Sovereignty is sacrosanct.

You may or may not be right - fact is, as you say, we need to prepare and act as if we have no backing. [which seems to be the case here]True. For in this world, no one can help us but ourselves.
i feel like some people are getting too carried with their feelings here to think about it rationally. I've read comments such as signing a MDT with India....which would be a great idea if only it had even a 0.5% chance of being a reality. As far as I know, the Indian Navy had been interested in making port calls. I also know some Indian compaines wish to deal business with Vietnam and by the same token also with the Philippines in the future.

What is the basis for this 0.5% chance of being a reality, from whence did this come from? Why shoot it down before talks had even begun? :dunno:

When Beijing declared that it is ready for any further escalation - they are indirectly referring to the US. Philippines is weak and that is the reason for pressuring us into submission - through military and through unofficial economic sanctions. Beijing is more worried about the US and its allies coming over when they make their first attack against the Philippines.

After the war of terror, the US made a 'pivot' to the Pacific and that they are gravely concerned with regards to freedom of navigation and trade on the seas that those CCP fat heads in Beijing tries to control.

The Philippines interest in claiming those outlying territories is incidental to the US interests to maintain the sea lanes free and open.

That is how one would hope it is interpreted.

Still - I don't believe China is in it to control trade routes - this is about resources, once all the resources are gone china won't care about who controls what.

My point of view on US intervention with specific regards to the WPS is:

If it benefits them to intervene, they will - and will site the MDT as their justification.

If it does not benefit them, they won't - but this time site the ambiguity of the MDT to indicate that they won't get involved.

Basically, if China is attempting to take over to control trade routes, america would likely intervene - but, if they are attempting to exploit the natural resources in the region, america wont care. Personally, I believe china is only interested in the latter.

As Askal's signature: Silent water runs deep (though our president is talkative, I am referring to his "noynoying") :lol:

Talking to a senseless man is futile, in this case senseless communists. It is in Proverbs. It's better to keep quite but maintain our assertion of our territory. It is a wise thing to do, but do keep our modernization moving forward too and be always ready. Let's learn our lesson from the Israelis.

That is how one would hope it is interpreted.

Still - I don't believe China is in it to control trade routes - this is about resources, once all the resources are gone china won't care about who controls what.

My point of view on US intervention with specific regards to the WPS is:

If it benefits them to intervene, they will - and will site the MDT as their justification.

If it does not benefit them, they won't - but this time site the ambiguity of the MDT to indicate that they won't get involved.

Basically, if China is attempting to take over to control trade routes, america would likely intervene - but, if they are attempting to exploit the natural resources in the region, america wont care. Personally, I believe china is only interested in the latter.

How sure are you?

Ever come up with string of pearls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_of_Pearls_%28China%29) theory?

...and do you know that India is worried of China trying to build a naval base in Sri Lanka (http://www.defence.pk/forums/chinese-defence/26043-chinese-naval-base-sri-lanka.html).

....and also their plans to finance the building of a canal in Thailand (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=119763)?

Hmmm, are you sure they are just there just for resources? Well, think again. ;)

Of course, it's like taking two birds with one stone. You need easy access solely to your resources, so you have to provide your own infrastructure for them. To ease and lessen the cost of transportation, you need to control the sea lanes where your shipments would use. Guess how sea lanes can be controlled? ;)

Tadaa!! :lol:

True. For in this world, no one can help us but ourselves.

Agree

As far as I know, the Indian Navy had been interested in making port calls. I also know some Indian compaines wish to deal business with Vietnam and by the same token also with the Philippines in the future.

What is the basis for this 0.5% chance of being a reality, from whence did this come from? Why shoot it down before talks had even begun? :dunno:

Making port calls is not even remotely close to forming a strategic alliance guaranteeing protection.


Why is it so low? Because the deal would have to be of mutual benefit. What does India gain by such an arrangement? Our military has showed its barely capable of defending islands just off our coast - how are we going to be of any military use to India of all countries?

Unless, of course we promise something else in exchange for their guarantee of protection. [say, a right to exploit a certain amount of resources in our territory].

But that then begs the question, why India?- why not China, for instance, that way you'd diffuse the whole situation altogether. Plus, having the Chinese make an agreement to drill for oil etc, would be tantamount to them recognizing our sovereignty in the area. We each get a respective share of the revenues and everyone goes him happier and more well off...At least, that's always been the most logical solution to me.

Folks, it is futile to have a conversation with a defeatist :lol:

How sure are you?

Ever come up with string of pearls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_of_Pearls_%28China%29) theory?

...and do you know that India is worried of China trying to build a naval base in Sri Lanka (http://www.defence.pk/forums/chinese-defence/26043-chinese-naval-base-sri-lanka.html).

....and also their plans to finance the building of a canal in Thailand (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=119763)?

Hmmm, are you sure they are just there just for resources? Well, think again. ;)

Of course, it's like taking two birds with one stone. You need easy access solely to your resources, so you have to provide an infrastructure for them.


Well, if China is indeed looking to actually enforce the trade routes- then we can only hope they are indeed stupid enough to do that, because doing so is going to anger every other country in the world. At the very least, maybe an extra ASEAN country or two might taken an interest :lol:

you beat me to it. I was gonna post a reprise on the String of Pearls strategy.

Well, yes in Hambantota, Sri Lanka. Other notables would be the one in Chittagong, Bangladesh all the way up to the Port of Sudan, in far away Africa.

Drawing parallels in WWII, Imperial Japan's standard lines and quotes for the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere was an Economic Kumbaya, a happy happy club :lol:. Japan back then was always bitching about being restricted in resources. Same with Beijing now. Beijing's modern day String of Pearls mantra is also an Economic one, appealing to the more greedy members of SE Asia such as the ghoulai et al.

you beat me to it. I was gonna post a reprise on the String of Pearls strategy.

Well, yes in Hambantota, Sri Lanka. Other notables would be the one in Chittagong, Bangladesh all the way up to the Port of Sudan, in far away Africa.

Drawing parallels in WWII, Imperial Japan's standard lines and quotes for the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere was an Economic Kumbaya, a happy happy club :lol:. Japan back then was always bitching about being restricted in resources. Same with Beijing now. Beijing's modern day String of Pearls mantra is also an Economic one, appealing to the more greedy members of SE Asia such as the ghoulai et al.

Yeah, the one who is willing to give up their sovereignty for selling their oil very cheap to PRC. :lol:

Yeah, the one who is willing to give up their sovereignty for selling their oil very cheap to PRC. :lol:

And he had the guts to say we do not know how to handle the CCP? It's more of like, the CCP didn't know how to handle us....pretty much like the Japs in WW2 :lol:

Well, if China is indeed looking to actually enforce the trade routes- then we can only hope they are indeed stupid enough to do that, because doing so is going to anger every other country in the world. At the very least, maybe an extra ASEAN country or two might taken an interest :lol:

That's why the fate of our beloved pond rests on our firm stand against these communist hoodlums at present. US and India is fully aware of this while the ASEAN (except Vietnam and Indonesia) is sleeping with Beijing. In other words, they are constantly being screwed. :lol:

It's not just the Philippines that will be affected. Ever wonder why India is deeply concerned about the issue with the standoff right now as well despite the fact that they are on the other side of the pond?

And he had the guts to say we do not know how to handle the CCP? It's more of like, the CCP didn't know how to handle us....pretty much like the Japs in WW2 :lol:

typical Beijing prostitute. I see, so they know how to 'handle' them. :lol:

Making port calls is not even remotely close to forming a strategic alliance guaranteeing protection. It's a good start so why are you already shooting it down? Not remotely is only your opinion. :lol:
Why is it so low? Because the deal would have to be of mutual benefit. What does India gain by such an arrangement? Our military has showed its barely capable of defending islands just off our coast - how are we going to be of any military use to India of all countries?

Unless, of course we promise something else in exchange for their guarantee of protection. [say, a right to exploit a certain amount of resources in our territory]. There you go, you hadnt been paying attention. :lol: India and Vietnam had been exploring their side of the Sea, Indian companies would be no less interested in ours. On a similar note, why would the US also sign an MDT with the Philippines? But the US did, didn't it? So there goes your logic. :lol:

If the US can sign an MDT with the Philippines, why not India? Again, where did those tiny percentages come from, from out of the chinese magician's hat?
But that then begs the question, why India?- why not China, for instance, that way you'd diffuse the whole situation altogether. Plus, having the Chinese make an agreement to drill for oil etc, would be tantamount to them recognizing our sovereignty in the area. We each get a respective share of the revenues and everyone goes him happier and more well off...At least, that's always been the most logical solution to me.Why India? Because India is not claiming the territory. Why not China? Had you been paying attention at all? China is claiming the entire WPS including Scarborough as its own. It's in all their White Papers. It's the height of naivete (pretentious or otherwise) to believe Beijing would settle for anything less. Bilateral talks always, I say again always results in the smaller nation walking away with less territory and Beijing getting more - re Tajikistan, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan.

You may or may not be right - fact is, as you say, we need to prepare and act as if we have no backing. [which seems to be the case here]

i feel like some people are getting too carried with their feelings here to think about it rationally. I've read comments such as signing a MDT with India....which would be a great idea if only it had even a 0.5% chance of being a reality.

This should be our number 1 priority, securing our sovereignty should come first. There is no country in this world that is economically successful with out military capability. For sure if we have the capability to protect our sovereignty a brighter future for the Philippines is not far from our reach.

It's a good start so why are you already shooting it down? Not remotely is only your opinion. :lol:
There you go, you hadnt been paying attention. :lol: India and Vietnam had been exploring their side of the Sea, Indian companies would be no less interested in ours. On a similar note, why would the US also sign an MDT with the Philippines? But the US did, didn't it? So there goes your logic. :lol:

If the US can sign an MDT with the Philippines, why not India? Again, where did those tiny percentages come from, from out of the chinese magician's hat?
Why India? Because India is not claiming the territory. Why not China? Had you been paying attention at all? China is claiming the entire WPS including Scarborough as its own. It's in all their White Papers. It's the height of naivete (pretentious or otherwise) to believe Beijing would settle for anything less. Bilateral talks always, I say again always results in the smaller nation walking away with less territory and Beijing getting more - re Tajikistan, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan.

Just realize something. Vietnam and India is quietly supporting us. ;)

I think we made them our fans for getting the balls of steel to stand up against the commie hoodlum. :lol:

This should be our number 1 priority, securing our sovereignty should come first. There is no country in this world that is economically successful with out military capability. For sure if we have the capability to protect our sovereignty a brighter future for the Philippines is not far from our reach.

I also agree with that. So far, our government seems to be working hard to undo the foolishness that was done in 20 years. In times like this, we really have to support each other.

http://www.navyreserve.com/.imaging/stk/navyreserve/stage-photo/dms/navyreserve/img/opener/100919-N-5226D-141/document/Carrier%20strike%20group.jpg
The only thing the Chinese fear right now:lol:
1 aircraft carrier
4 escort ships
1 supply ship

Just realize something. Vietnam and India is quietly supporting us. ;)

I think we made them our fans for getting the balls of steel to stand up against the commie hoodlum. :lol:

India is concerned. Vietnam too.

As posted earlier, there were a few Vietnamese in the protest in support to us. Also from some pictures and videos, I have spotted some "puti's"

if india really support us they should start selling us some armaments even in a 5-6 basis...hehe

if india really support us they should start selling us some armaments even in a 5-6 basis...hehe

Hahahaha. Hard to evade that 5-6 joke when talking about the Indians :lol:

if these commies think international arbitration is weird, they should quit their permanent seat in the UN and withdraw from the UN!

China: Int'l arbitration weird (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=806143&publicationSubCategoryId=63)

MANILA, Philippines - China sees the submission of the dispute over Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal to international arbitration as a “weird” thing in international affairs.

At a press conference in Beijing on Tuesday, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said China has sovereignty over the shoal, also called Bajo de Masinloc in old Philippine maps.

“Isn’t it a weird thing in international affairs to submit a sovereign country’s territory to international arbitration?” he said. “What a chaos the world will be in if this happens.”

Hong said China has full historical and jurisprudential evidence of its sovereignty over the shoal.

“Whatever the Philippines do or say regarding the sovereignty of the island cannot alter the fact that the island belongs to China,” he said.

Hong said the Philippines unilaterally provoked the situation in Panatag Shoal.

Over time the Philippines has been escalating the situation regardless of the consequences, he added.

Last July, Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario first raised to Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi and Vice President Xi Jinping the issue of bringing the Philippine and Chinese claims to the International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea (ITLOS).

However, the response Del Rosario received was that the Philippines and China should undertake to settle the matter bilaterally and not to use a dispute settlement mechanism.

“So effectively they said no to our suggestion that we take it to international arbitration,” Del Rosario said.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Liu Weimin accused the Philippines of unilaterally misinterpreting the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).

“Its (Philippines) claim of a ‘200 nautical miles of exclusive economic zones’ has impaired China’s territorial claim, which is in itself against international law. International rules are made jointly by all countries in the world, and countries, big or small, should abide by them. We believe the public are able to tell right from wrong,” Liu said.

China warned on Monday the Philippines about preparations Beijing has made to respond to any escalation of the situation in the area.

On Monday, Vice Foreign Minister Fu Ying summoned Alex Chua, charge d’affaires of the Philippine embassy in Beijing, to make a serious representation over the current incident at Panatag Shoal.

Fu said that it has been almost a month since the incident at Bajo de Masinloc occurred and it should have been ended early.

On Thursday, Del Rosario said the Philippines is willing to match Beijing’s announcement of preparations for an escalation of tensions in Panatag Shoal with “diplomatic consultations,” unless the message is meant to intimidate.

China has urged the Philippines to return to the right track of a diplomatic resolution to the island situation.

UNCLOS supports the Philippine claim to sovereignty in Panatag Shoal and international law is clear in terms of the fact that the Philippines is well within the 200-nautical mile EEZ and also within the continental shelf.

China stands solely on a historical claim.

No Chinese flag on Panatag

Coast Guard Commandant Vice Adm. Edmund Tan denied yesterday news reports that an unidentified man was able to plant a Chinese flag on Panatag Shoal.

Last Thursday, China’s official Xinhua news agency reported that a Chinese national was able to plant a flag on the disputed shoal.

Acting Coast Guard spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Rommel Supangan said the news report is not true.

“Our ship is there and it gives report to Vice Admiral Tan every two hours and there is no such information,” he said.

Supangan said the monitoring control and surveillance vessel that the Coast Guard jointly operates with the Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources is in the lagoon.

“We also have six Filipino fishing boats in the area,” he said.

Supangan said they would sometimes dispatch a rubber boat to scour the shoal.

Filipino fishermen are still going to the shoal, he added.

Supangan said the Coast Guard detachment at Masinloc, Zambales has reported that Filipino fishermen would go out to the lagoon despite the presence of Chinese vessels.

Chinese fishing boats in the lagoon are coexisting with Filipino fishermen, he added. – With Evelyn Macairan


Daig pa nila ang mga Amrikans sa exceptionalism :lol:

if india really support us they should start selling us some armaments even in a 5-6 basis...hehe

Baka may F5-6 sila. :lol::lol:

Just realize something. Vietnam and India is quietly supporting us. ;)

I think we made them our fans for getting the balls of steel to stand up against the commie hoodlum. :lol:Very few belong to this exclusive but unpopular club. :lol: :lol: The Philippines being the newbie would of course be welcomed by both oldtimers who've "been there, done that"... :lol:
I also agree with that. So far, our government seems to be working hard to undo the foolishness that was done in 20 years. In times like this, we really have to support each other. You know what would really get the ball rolling in this particular direction? These had been mentioned already on this thread.

1. A Netizen mass movement to have Senate and Congress move their asses and remove the pork barrel, put them to better use.

2. A credible Death Penaly to Economic Plunder, Sabotage and Corruption. Make those 2 poster boy generals of corruption, Ligot and Garcia, pay dearly with the firing squad, lethal injection or the cheapest way, the hangman's noose. Then have the Ombudsman sequester all their family assets including those of the deceased Reyes. Make their conniving families cough out the stolen goods. Plug any more loopholes and stop the hemorrhaging of public funds. Ang hirap kasi, everyone is paying attention to the foreign drama but no one is paying attention to the basics. Basics first and pay attention to detail sana. How and where to get the money to pay for all that equipment? The smug generals are still laughing all the way to the bank.

It's a good start so why are you already shooting it down? Not remotely is only your opinion. :lol:
There you go, you hadnt been paying attention. :lol: India and Vietnam had been exploring their side of the Sea, Indian companies would be no less interested in ours. On a similar note, why would the US also sign an MDT with the Philippines? But the US did, didn't it? So there goes your logic. :lol:

If the US can sign an MDT with the Philippines, why not India? Again, where did those tiny percentages come from, from out of the chinese magician's hat?
Why India? Because India is not claiming the territory. Why not China? Had you been paying attention at all? China is claiming the entire WPS including Scarborough as its own. It's in all their White Papers. It's the height of naivete (pretentious or otherwise) to believe Beijing would settle for anything less. Bilateral talks always, I say again always results in the smaller nation walking away with less territory and Beijing getting more - re Tajikistan, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan.

I fully agree Nyor Mercato with that statement in bold!. In that aspect, India is much, much more trustworthy than China. If India says it's purely business, we can believe her. Not to mention that our political beliefs are better aligned.

Baka may F5-6 sila. :lol::lol:

stealth fighter ba yan? :lol::lol::lol:

baka mamaya 5-6 na nga yun price, 5-6 pa maintenance :lol:

its really on there blood, yan na kasi maiisip mo kaagad pag may nakita kang nakamotor na indian sa pinas hehe...

if china really shifting the war on economics, we should start courting other potential markets, para mapikon nnman sila dahil wa epek nnman yun tactics nila... Ndi kasi bumenta yun mga pangsindak nilang sstaements like "get ready to hear the sounds of canons."hehehe

ang nakakatuwa sa kanila pikon na pikon sila pag paulit-ulit ang DND at DFA sa statement about MDT natin with USA...

I fully agree Nyor Mercato with that statement in bold!. In that aspect, India is much, much more trustworthy than China. If India says its purely business, we can believe her. Not to mention that our political beliefs are better aligned.Mother India beckons, and we the sons of our forefathers the ancient Sri Vijayans must heed the maternal call. :cheers: :cheers:

To wit, Sri Vijaya in ancient and modern Sanskrit means Resplendant Victory. :cool:

I fully agree Nyor Mercato with that statement in bold!. In that aspect, India is much, much more trustworthy than China. If India says it's purely business, we can believe her. Not to mention that our political beliefs are better aligned.

Another thing is that Indians tell you upfront. 5-6 kung 5-6. Pero yung instik sa taas mura yung price tag pero ang daming "hidden fees" na masmahal sa 5-6 :lol:

Very few belong to this exclusive but unpopular club. :lol: :lol: The Philippines being the newbie would of course be welcomed by both oldtimers who've "been there, done that"... :lol:

Yeupz, we are unique because I think we don't belong to that exclusive club of back stabbers, filter feeders battle tank run overs and surrender monkeys. ;) :lol:

We are in the same league with "I don't give a f*ck, go ahead! :lol:

You know what would really get the ball rolling in this particular direction? These had been mentioned already on this thread.

1. A Netizen mass movement to have Senate and Congress move their asses and remove the pork barrel, put them to better use.

2. A credible Death Penaly to Economic Plunder, Sabotage and Corruption. Make those 2 poster boy generals of corruption, Ligot and Garcia, pay dearly with the firing squad, lethal injection or the cheapest way, the hangman's noose. Then have the Ombudsman sequester all their family assets including those of the deceased Reyes. Make their conniving families cough out the stolen goods. Plug any more loopholes and stop the hemorrhaging of public funds. Ang hirap kasi, everyone is paying attention to the foreign drama but no one is paying attention to the basics. Basics first and pay attention to detail sana. How and where to get the money to pay for all that equipment? The smug generals are still laughing all the way to the bank.

:yes: :yes:

I found something...

i can only give insight as a malaysian though..

that said, the philipines are not the only nation provoked by the chinese so called fisheries administration vessels. 4,600-tonne Yuzheng 311 enter malaysian water in April 2010 almost being shot by malaysian navy ship... this same vessel also being confronted by Vietnamese costguard... plus the MV Fu Yuan 123 incident where they being shot by KRI Tanjung Dalpele.

they are probing asean navy reaction with these ship serve to strengthen China’s extensive maritime claims and make no mistake they are well armed.

1.Asean nation who have claims will not back out, and the chinese cant assert assert its sovereignty claims on the island already manned by asean naval forces.

2.The populist mostly prefer diplomatic solution, a joint effort to developed spratly

3.The officials learn the hardway the value of à titre de souverain. Malaysian learn it from Pedra Branca and the Indonesian Learn it from the Sipadan and Ligitan Island dispute... à titre de souverain are their strategy for now.

4. Again refering the Pedra Branca issues à titre de souverain are the best argument...

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?211270-Philippine-warship-in-standoff-with-China-vessels&p=6169443&viewfull=1#post6169443

I found something...



http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?211270-Philippine-warship-in-standoff-with-China-vessels&p=6169443&viewfull=1#post6169443

Those fisheries administration vessels are similar to Q boats. In other words, those boats are armed.

Anyway, let's hear more updates about our modernization.

look at this shit in thier embassy in the USA (http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/zmgx/zgwjzc/t35078.htm):
Liu says that in the early days of new China, it formed an alliance with the former Soviet Union to fight hostility, isolation and blockade by the United States with a "turning to one side" strategy that was necessary at the time.

But, the former Soviet Union was chauvinistic and attempted to force China to submit to its own strategic needs. It proposed setting up a long-wave radio station that it would control in China and a joint naval fleet, showing its intent to control China militarily. To get China to submit to its control, the former Soviet Union put pressure on China by withdrawing its experts from China and tearing up economic agreements it had signed with China and deployed one million soldiers along the Sino-Soviet and Sino-Mongolian borders, posing a serious threat to China.


Conveniently leaving out the parts where they supported pro-communist movements in SEA from wars like Korea, Vietnam to insurgencies like CPP-NPA:nuts::nuts::nuts:

look at this shit in thier embassy in the USA (http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/zmgx/zgwjzc/t35078.htm):


Conveniently leaving out the parts where they supported pro-communist movements in SEA from wars like Korea, Vietnam to insurgencies like CPP-NPA:nuts::nuts::nuts:

That is what they are good at.... lying :lol:

After their war drum rhetoric got global attention...this is what they say

China denies preparing for war over South China Sea
(http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/world/05/12/12/china-denies-preparing-war-over-south-china-sea)
Beijing - China has denied it is increasing combat readiness in response to a territorial row with the Philippines over a disputed shoal in the South China Sea.
The tense stand-off, which erupted last month, centers on Scarborough Shoal, a tiny rocky outcrop in the South China Sea about 230 kilometers (140 miles) from the Philippines' main island of Luzon.

The dispute began when Philippine authorities detected Chinese ships fishing there. They attempted to arrest the crew, but were blocked by Chinese surveillance vessels that were quickly deployed to the area.

China's defense ministry denied military units were getting ready for war, despite warnings in state media that China is prepared to fight to end the stand-off.

"Reports that the Guangzhou military region, the South China Sea fleet and other units have entered a state of war preparedness are untrue," the ministry said in a brief statement on its website Friday.

The Guangzhou military region in southern China has responsibility for the area.

It gave no source for the reports, but rumors on the Internet say China has ordered some military units up to level two of its four-level scale of war preparedness, one notch from the top which indicates full readiness.

The two nations have had non-military vessels stationed at the shoal since April 8 in an effort to assert their sovereignty to the area.

China claims virtually all of the South China Sea, which is believed to sit atop huge oil and gas reserves, as its historical territory, even waters close to the coasts of other Asian countries.

The Philippines says the shoal is part of its territory because it falls within its exclusive economic zone.

On Friday, around 300 protestors demonstrated outside the Chinese embassy in the Philippines to denounce "bullying" by Beijing.

A Chinese state-backed newspaper on Saturday accused the Philippines of whipping up nationalism through the protest, but it added military conflict in the South China Sea was possible.

Taiwan, Brunei, Vietnam and Malaysia also claim parts of the sea. The rival claims have for decades made the waters one of Asia's potential military flashpoints.

"Nationalism seems to echo just as strongly wherever you go around the South China Sea. The Philippines is showing prominent such behavior," the Global Times said in an editorial.

"It remains possible that military conflicts will ensue in the South China Sea, and when that happens, China will certainly take firm action," it added.

Chinese authorities also this week ordered tour operators to suspend trips to the Philippines.

^^ China is really retarded..

After their war drum rhetoric got global attention...this is what they say

China denies preparing for war over South China Sea
(http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/world/05/12/12/china-denies-preparing-war-over-south-china-sea)

That kind of headline should show up in the US. So the Chicoms lose face in front of Papa Sugar:lol::lol:
All that posturing and kissing up to Papa Sugar would vanish as they try to backtrack:lol::lol:

That kind of headline should show up in the US. So the Chicoms lose face in front of Papa Sugar:lol::lol:
All that posturing and kissing up to Papa Sugar would vanish as they try to backtrack:lol::lol:

Honestly, Fckyeah Noynoying :rock:

I really feel it is effective :lol: It's shaking Chinese stance...forcing Beijing to be "bipolar" :lol:

Hundreds only or about 1,000 protesters? I think Filipinos are on "wait and see" attitude. The local media here do not sensationalize the stand-off. People are talking more of that Santiago-Tulfo brawl at the airport.

What can 1,000 protesters do against China's millions of people supporting the PLA-Navy actions?

It is my understanding that the Hamilton wasn't purchased...it was "donated"...

Our government still paid for the hot transfer and refurbishment of the 2 Hamilton class cutters.

1 aircraft carrier
4 escort ships
1 supply ship

And a submarine (cannot be seen in the photo because it's underwater)! :cheers:

stealth fighter ba yan? :lol::lol::lol:

baka mamaya 5-6 na nga yun price, 5-6 pa maintenance :lol:

Ayus din kayo noh! Gusto nyo humingi ng tulong sa india pero pinagtatawanan nyo naman. Ayus sa ugali ah.

Ayus din kayo noh! Gusto nyo humingi ng tulong sa india pero pinagtatawanan nyo naman. Ayus sa ugali ah.

India will not give us military support, only diplomatic. :cheers:

Ayus din kayo noh! Gusto nyo humingi ng tulong sa india pero pinagtatawanan nyo naman. Ayus sa ugali ah.

It's just done in jest just to lighten up the discussion here. Snap out of it.

Hindi nga kami humingi ng tulong sa India. Kusa lang sila 'tumulong'. Welcome na welcome sila dahil bahagi din sila ng isyu na ito, kahit hindi sila isa sa mga bansang nakapalibot sa SCS.

It's just done in jest just to lighten up the discussion here. Snap out of it.

Hindi nga kami humingi ng tulong sa India. Kusa lang sila 'tumulong'. Welcome na welcome sila dahil bahagi din sila ng isyu na ito, kahit hindi sila isa sa mga bansang nakapalibot sa SCS.

We're suggesting we buy from them, we are not asking for donations like we do to Papa Sugar :lol::lol:

We call the US Papa Sugar here, some of us at least :lol:

That kind of headline should show up in the US. So the Chicoms lose face in front of Papa Sugar:lol::lol:
All that posturing and kissing up to Papa Sugar would vanish as they try to backtrack:lol::lol:

Honestly, Fckyeah Noynoying :rock:

I really feel it is effective :lol: It's shaking Chinese stance...forcing Beijing to be "bipolar" :lol:

Wehhh? Pero not so long time ago, they are beating the drums of war. Bipolar talaga. :lol:

Watch out pa rin tayo sa mga hakbang na gagawin nila dahil mga chicom yan. Wag mag kumpiyansa.

Sa totoo lang, parang di masyadong "in" yung protesta against China kahit ilang weeks ang planned organization nito? Kahit sa Pilipinas wala pang 500...

Are Filipinos "protest weary" already or is it because it was done on a weekday?

Sa totoo lang, parang di masyadong "in" yung protesta against China kahit ilang weeks ang planned organization nito? Kahit sa Pilipinas wala pang 500...

Are Filipinos "protest weary" already or is it because it was done on a weekday?

In a way it's better just to show that our protest is modest and is being done peacefully. It is enough to throw off those CCP media parrots exaggerating the reports that their nationals are not safe in the Philippines. :lol:

Not only that, those Chinese tourists going back to China would tell their families and friends that they actually enjoyed their vacation in the Philippines and no one over there is threatening them. :lol:

In a way it's better just to show that our protest is modest and is being done peacefully. It is enough to throw off those CCP media parrots exaggerating the reports that their nationals are not safe in the Philippines. :lol:

Not only that, those Chinese tourists going back to China would tell their families and friends that they actually enjoyed their vacation in the Philippines and no one over there is threatening them. :lol:

Kung sabagay...basta wag lang yung mga skwatters ang magrally kundi mala edsa tres :lol:

^^ di nmn kc gaanung binabalita ng media eh...

China criticizes Philippines on South China Sea protest

Friday, May 11, 2012 5:54 a.m. EDT

By Manuel Mogato

MANILA (Reuters) - China on Friday accused the Philippines of escalating an already tense territorial dispute over the South China Sea following a noisy but peaceful anti-Beijing protest in Manila.

About 200 protesters, well below initial estimates, rallied in front of the Chinese consular office in Manila. Both Beijing and Taiwan had warned their nationals to stay indoors.

The demonstrators, carrying placards and banners and waving Philippine flags, protested against what they called Chinese intrusions into Philippine territory. The one-hour protest ended peacefully under the close watch of dozens of baton-wielding police.

"Encouraging the public to march and protest was a mistaken step by the Philippine side that has made the current situation more complicated and escalated it," Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei said.

GOVERNMENT NOT INVOLVED

A spokesman for Philippine President Benigno Aquino denied government involvement in the protest although some of the organizers have links with the president's political allies, including his chief political adviser.

"It was the decision taken by private citizens who feel out of patriotism that they have to speak on the issue. Again, our constitution clearly protects freedom of expression and the right to peaceful assembly," Edwin Lacierda told a press briefing on Friday.

The row over the South China Sea is potentially the biggest flashpoint for confrontation in Asia, and tensions have risen since the United States adopted a policy last year to reinforce its influence in the region.

The Philippines is one of Washington's closest allies in the region. The South China Sea islands, believed to be rich in oil and other resources, are claimed wholly or in part by China, the Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei.

The Liberation Army Daily, the chief mouthpiece of China's military, criticized the United States' involvement.

"The United States' shift in strategic focus to the east and its entry into the South China Sea issue has provided the Philippines with room for strategic maneuver, and to a certain extent increased the Philippines' chips to play against us, emboldening them to take a risky course," it said.

For China's ruling Communist Party, which is heading toward an end-of-year leadership succession, the dispute with Manila can divert attention from recent energy-sapping scandals over sacked Chongqing party chief Bo Xilai and blind dissident Chen Guangcheng.

Many Chinese, including military officers, have said popular anger could grow if Beijing remains too soft in responding to rival claims in the South China Sea. A hard approach to the dispute could underline a message of patriotic unity while serving as an antidote to domestic problems.

The Shanghai government-run website, eastday.com, published a photograph on Thursday that it said showed a reporter from a local TV station planting the Chinese flag on the main reef of the Huangyan island, the Chinese name of Scarborough shoal, where the Philippine coast guard and Chinese civilian ships are engaged in a more than month-long staring match.

Besides Manila, organizers planned protests at China's embassies and consulates in the United States, Canada, Australia, Italy and other Asian capitals. No one showed up to a scheduled protest in Sydney.

http://radiousa.com/news/articles/2012/may/11/china-criticizes-philippines-on-south-china-sea-protest/


Bakit kaya?

Annual export growth of just 4.9 percent in April, below a forecast of 8.5 percent, highlighted the risks to China's factory-focused economy of a fresh downturn in demand. (http://www.interaksyon.com/article/31651/china-economy-shows-unexpected-signs-of-weakness)

:D

NEW YORK—Edwin Josue may be Filipino-Chinese, but during Friday’s protest rally against China, he was “first and foremost” a Filipino.

Josue, a real estate broker, was one of about 75 Filipino-Americans who marched to the Chinese Consulate building on 42nd Street and 12th Avenue to protest alleged Chinese incursion into Philippine territory. The protesters, led by community and business leader Loida Nicolas Lewis, chanted “We want China out, now!”

Anti-China rallies were held simultaneously in the Philippines, New York, Washington D.C. and other cities around the world where Filipinos have a major presence. The rallies called on China to leave
the Philippine waters and stop “bullying” the country.

“Mga walanghiya,” said an angry Lewis to the Chinese government, using the strongest language in Tagalog to mean “you are shameless.”

“Sabihin natin sa China hindi tama yan! Gusto mong maging world power? Then be a citizen of the world and follow the rule of law. Mahiya sila! Napaka-walanghiya na aangkinin lang iyong atin. Hindi tama iyan,”
she said through a megaphone.

The standoff between the Philippines and China has intensified after Beijing asserted its claim over the Bajo de Masinloc (or Scarborough Shoal) as part of its “historical territory.” Lewis said the Bajo de
Masinloc has always been part of the Philippine map since 1734. A Jesuit priest who studied the Philippine islands made the map that showed the Bajo de Masinloc is part of the Masinloc town in Zambales, she said.

The Philippines maintains it has sovereign rights over the waters around Bajo de Masinloc. The area is suspected of having huge deposits of oil and gas. Of course this has interested China, said Lewis.

Lewis said the Philippines is set to file on June 12 a dispute against China’s alleged “imperialist” tactics before the International Tribunal.

“China may not listen to us but we’re making noise urging other nations to help us,” said Hermie Aczon, president of the Philippine Executive Council of Greater Philadelphia, an umbrella of 24
organizations.

Josue said he wished the international community would rally behind the Philippines and that China leave Scarborough Shoal. “It is our right to defend our territorial limits,” he said.

The hour-long rally ended peacefully at 1 p.m. after the yellow-shirted protesters spoke out against Beijing and sang nationalist songs.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/36639/loida-lewis-to-china-%E2%80%98you%E2%80%99re-shameless%E2%80%99

If the Tolfu brothers brace up and plant the Philippine flag on Bajo de Masinloc, di kaya uusok ang paper dragon?

Pinoys in Greece:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/532794_313375812075069_100002079571551_695729_926741369_n.jpg

Cheers!

^^ Tatanungin ko sana bakit di tarpauline, naalala ko finacial crisis pala sa Greece :lol:

Without the US, local heroes will defend the Philippines (http://www.zamboangatoday.ph/index.php/opinion/viewsopinions/9965-without-the-us-local-heroes-will-defend-the-philippines.html)
Saturday, 12 May 2012 11:54

I have good news and bad news.

First, the good news. While Obama may be screening his Blackberry’s caller ID and ignoring Malacanang’s desperate 9-1-1 calls, we have located brave and galant men and women who could be defending Scarborough Shoal.

No, it is not the US Navy’s storied Osama bin Laden-killing SEAL Team Six. Screw them! Not the legendary Delta Force, either. They can just shut the foxtrot. It is not even Chuck Norris, although he could single-handedly defeat the entire PLA (People’s Liberation Army) of China and still maintain a pair of perfectly-coiffed side-burns.

We don’t need these gringos. We have homegrown heroes. These patriots have unwavering belief that the Philippines does not need no stinkin’ help from GI Joe, nor Captain America, to defeat the Chinese, or any other invader of the Philippines.

Among these “Avengers” whom we hope will soon fight the Chinese Navy are: the 12 former Senators who made Yankee go home in 1992 – Agapito “Butz” Aquino, Joseph Estrada, Teofisto Guingona Jr,, Ernesto Maceda Jr, Orlando Mercado, Aquilino Pimentel Jr, Rene Saguisag, Jovito Salonga, Wigberto Tañada, Victor Ziga, and current Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile. They defeated 11 other senators who voted to retain Clark and Subic in September, 1991.

Sen. Sotero Laurel II is excused from deployment. He has passed away. You can add Satur Ocampo and everybody else who thought – and still thinks – the Philippines does NOT need American military firepower.

Professor Roland Simbulan might be willing to join them. He has always been an outspoken protester of US military presence in the country. He is not alone. In the Sept 16, 1991 issue of Bulatlat, he said, “The growth of the resistance mobilized against the proposed bases treaty is reflected in the fact that on Sept. 10, 1991, about 50,000 people marched against it as the Senate vote drew near. But six days after, on September 16, 1991, the number of protesters had swelled to 170,000 outside the Senate despite a heavy downpour.”

I suggest the Philippine military immediately gather and conscript into active duty these 170,000 patriots who demanded the ouster of the US bases. Surely, they are convinced they are capable of protecting “Inang Bayan” (Motherland). To find them, I recommend they start checking the US Embassy’s list of tourist, business and immigrant visa applicants. I remember seeing and meeting many of these “supposed anti-US bases heroes” in New York, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Miami, San Francisco, Chicago and San Diego where they now reside and worship their great gods – Dollar Lama and Moolah Omar.

The Philippines deserves to be defended by the “best of the very best” – so, let us send them to the front lines of Scarborough to face these Chinese aggressors. I am sure the megaphones they used to wield in front of the US Embassy on Roxas Blvd countless times can outgun the Chinese warships’ massive 15-inch guns, their angry banners can take down Foxbat fighter planes the Chinese has reportedly acquired from Russia, their placards can destroy China’s CJ-10 cruise missiles, their “Yankee Go Home”, “Down with US Capitalism, Imperialism” sloganeering are lethal against the Chinese Air Force’s 5,172 combat aircraft and their face masks made from tattered t-shirts can protect them from the incapacitating, neuron-melting nerve gas Russian scientists have shared with the PLA.

In addition to Prof Roland Simbulan, I further recommend that staunch anti-American nationalists, such as, Bayan Muna and Kilusang Mayo Uno (KMU) stalwart Satur Ocampo, and Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago be battlefield-promoted to Commanding Generals of the Western Philippine Sea, Chinese Resistance Weapons Division (We’rSCReWeD).

Satur Ocampo, as recently as April this year, led 4,000 protesters against the VFA (Visiting Forces Agreement) and the Balikatan Exercises in Mindanao. He “burned an American flag with anti-US imperialism messages,” according to Democratic Underground.com on their April 20, 2012 issue. That is 4,000 additional recruits for the Scarborough front line, which we can call Philippine Soldiers Heroically Protecting our Fishing District (PhiSHPFooD)

Sen Miriam Santiago, as Chairperson of the Congressional Legislative Oversight Committee on the VFA, (CaCaLOCo) suggested in 2009 to terminate the VFA – which allows for 700 US Special Operations soldiers to fight terrorists in Mindanao.
I applaud them.
Jack Nicholson, as US Marine Corps Col. Nathan Jessup in “A Few Good Men”, challenged US military haters – “I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the very blanket of freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it. I prefer you said ‘thank you’, and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand your post”.

Well, dear patriotic anti-US bases gentlemen and ladies, we stand proudly alongside you – curiously waiting for you to prove your ultimate belief in not needing Clark and Subic, the VFA, and all the Damn Yankee military in the Philippines. We are watching and waiting for you to pick up a weapon and stand your post at Scarborough. Stop hiding. Get back in the limelight and be our heroes.
And Good Luck, for this is the bad news – you are gonna NEED it.

^^ The Article Just SUCK UP those people.. they must be in the F$@#%$@!! Front-line!!!

YOu will not be alone if China starts the war. They will get in trouble.

YOu will not be alone if China starts the war. They will get in trouble.

I agree.

hello India! :naughty: ;)

India steps into Philippines-China spat over South China Sea (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/india-steps-into-philippines-china-spat-over-south-china-sea/articleshow/13092424.cms)
The Economic Times
11 MAY, 2012, 12.00PM IST, TNN


NEW DELHI: As the Philippines braces for anti-China protests on Friday, India has stepped into the hottest South China Sea dispute to counsel restraint.

In an unusual statement that signals India's growing interests in South China Sea, the MEA on Thursday weighed in on the growing dispute between China and the Philippines. Admitting Indian concern about the events, the MEA spokesperson said, "Maintenance of peace and security in the region is of vital interest to the international community. India urges both countries to exercise restraint and resolve the issue diplomatically according to principles of international law."

India not only has a growing presence in oil and gas exploration off Vietnam in the South China Sea, there has been an Indian presence in helping to keep the sea lanes safe and open for some time now. Besides, India is also signaling to the Southeast Asian nations that it remains engaged about the issues that concern them.

According to reports, over 1,000 people are expected to protest in Manila on Friday against what the Philippines calls a sovereignty dispute over a set of islands. While, China calls them Huangyan Islands, the Philippines calls them Scarborough Shoal. This week Beijing has asked Manila to ensure security of its citizens, asked its citizens to stay indoors, etc.

The People's Liberation Army Daily, the official voice of Chinese military, has also published a commentary on Thursday titled, "Never Expect to Take Away Half an Inch of China's Territory." It said, "We never tolerate any unreasonable embarrassment with blind patience, not to mention that the issue matters for China's territorial integrity, national dignity, and even social stability.

"For anyone who tries to snatch the sovereignty over Huangyan Islands, not only will the Chinese government not agree; the Chinese people will not agree; and the Chinese army will not agree."

In early April, Filipino naval forces intercepted eight Chinese fishing vessels in the disputed islands, boarded them and forced China to back off. It was then seen to be part of China's new aggressive policy in the region. But things heated up last week, when China asked the Philippines to withdraw all its vessels from the island.

Any conflict in that region would affect Indian economic interests. But equally, China has been commenting on issues that New Delhi considers its own bilateral ones - like Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari's recent whistle-stop India visit. And, India's commentary on the South China Sea issue has to be seen in that light.

^^ So let's stop the jokes about smell.

Sa totoo lang, hindi mababaho ang mga Indians, very misleading and very racist joke yan. When I was in India last January kala ko mababaho sila.. hindi naman actually.

^^greedy rin ang mga indiano at kapag nakisawsaw sila ay posibileng makisawsaw naman ang pakistan sa intsik.

On Saturday, Australian Foreign Minister Bob Carr - speaking at the start of a visit to China - called on countries in the region to settle their claims through international law.

"We don't take a side on the various claims over the South China Sea," he said.

"But we do, given our interest in the South China Sea, given the fact that a large proportion of our trade travels through it, ... call on governments to clarify and pursue those claims and accompanying maritime rights in accordance with international law including the UN Law of the Sea Convention."

bbc.co.uk

Just realize something. Vietnam and India is quietly supporting us. ;)

I think we made them our fans for getting the balls of steel to stand up against the commie hoodlum. :lol:

yeh true that !:cheers:

On Saturday, Australian Foreign Minister Bob Carr - speaking at the start of a visit to China - called on countries in the region to settle their claims through international law.

"We don't take a side on the various claims over the South China Sea," he said.

"But we do, given our interest in the South China Sea, given the fact that a large proportion of our trade travels through it, ... call on governments to clarify and pursue those claims and accompanying maritime rights in accordance with international law including the UN Law of the Sea Convention."

bbc.co.uk

where's the exact link to the article?

^^greedy rin ang mga indiano at kapag nakisawsaw sila ay posibileng makisawsaw naman ang pakistan sa intsik.

Remember tho, India is too far.

On Saturday, Australian Foreign Minister Bob Carr - speaking at the start of a visit to China - called on countries in the region to settle their claims through international law.

"We don't take a side on the various claims over the South China Sea," he said.

"But we do, given our interest in the South China Sea, given the fact that a large proportion of our trade travels through it, ... call on governments to clarify and pursue those claims and accompanying maritime rights in accordance with international law including the UN Law of the Sea Convention."

bbc.co.uk

Read between the lines :D

Without the US, local heroes will defend the Philippines (http://www.zamboangatoday.ph/index.php/opinion/viewsopinions/9965-without-the-us-local-heroes-will-defend-the-philippines.html)
Saturday, 12 May 2012 11:54

I have good news and bad news.

First, the good news. While Obama may be screening his Blackberry’s caller ID and ignoring Malacanang’s desperate 9-1-1 calls, we have located brave and galant men and women who could be defending Scarborough Shoal.

No, it is not the US Navy’s storied Osama bin Laden-killing SEAL Team Six. Screw them! Not the legendary Delta Force, either. They can just shut the foxtrot. It is not even Chuck Norris, although he could single-handedly defeat the entire PLA (People’s Liberation Army) of China and still maintain a pair of perfectly-coiffed side-burns.

We don’t need these gringos. We have homegrown heroes. These patriots have unwavering belief that the Philippines does not need no stinkin’ help from GI Joe, nor Captain America, to defeat the Chinese, or any other invader of the Philippines.

Among these “Avengers” whom we hope will soon fight the Chinese Navy are: the 12 former Senators who made Yankee go home in 1992 – Agapito “Butz” Aquino, Joseph Estrada, Teofisto Guingona Jr,, Ernesto Maceda Jr, Orlando Mercado, Aquilino Pimentel Jr, Rene Saguisag, Jovito Salonga, Wigberto Tañada, Victor Ziga, and current Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile. They defeated 11 other senators who voted to retain Clark and Subic in September, 1991.

Sen. Sotero Laurel II is excused from deployment. He has passed away. You can add Satur Ocampo and everybody else who thought – and still thinks – the Philippines does NOT need American military firepower.

Professor Roland Simbulan might be willing to join them. He has always been an outspoken protester of US military presence in the country. He is not alone. In the Sept 16, 1991 issue of Bulatlat, he said, “The growth of the resistance mobilized against the proposed bases treaty is reflected in the fact that on Sept. 10, 1991, about 50,000 people marched against it as the Senate vote drew near. But six days after, on September 16, 1991, the number of protesters had swelled to 170,000 outside the Senate despite a heavy downpour.”

I suggest the Philippine military immediately gather and conscript into active duty these 170,000 patriots who demanded the ouster of the US bases. Surely, they are convinced they are capable of protecting “Inang Bayan” (Motherland). To find them, I recommend they start checking the US Embassy’s list of tourist, business and immigrant visa applicants. I remember seeing and meeting many of these “supposed anti-US bases heroes” in New York, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Miami, San Francisco, Chicago and San Diego where they now reside and worship their great gods – Dollar Lama and Moolah Omar.

The Philippines deserves to be defended by the “best of the very best” – so, let us send them to the front lines of Scarborough to face these Chinese aggressors. I am sure the megaphones they used to wield in front of the US Embassy on Roxas Blvd countless times can outgun the Chinese warships’ massive 15-inch guns, their angry banners can take down Foxbat fighter planes the Chinese has reportedly acquired from Russia, their placards can destroy China’s CJ-10 cruise missiles, their “Yankee Go Home”, “Down with US Capitalism, Imperialism” sloganeering are lethal against the Chinese Air Force’s 5,172 combat aircraft and their face masks made from tattered t-shirts can protect them from the incapacitating, neuron-melting nerve gas Russian scientists have shared with the PLA.

In addition to Prof Roland Simbulan, I further recommend that staunch anti-American nationalists, such as, Bayan Muna and Kilusang Mayo Uno (KMU) stalwart Satur Ocampo, and Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago be battlefield-promoted to Commanding Generals of the Western Philippine Sea, Chinese Resistance Weapons Division (We’rSCReWeD).

Satur Ocampo, as recently as April this year, led 4,000 protesters against the VFA (Visiting Forces Agreement) and the Balikatan Exercises in Mindanao. He “burned an American flag with anti-US imperialism messages,” according to Democratic Underground.com on their April 20, 2012 issue. That is 4,000 additional recruits for the Scarborough front line, which we can call Philippine Soldiers Heroically Protecting our Fishing District (PhiSHPFooD)

Sen Miriam Santiago, as Chairperson of the Congressional Legislative Oversight Committee on the VFA, (CaCaLOCo) suggested in 2009 to terminate the VFA – which allows for 700 US Special Operations soldiers to fight terrorists in Mindanao.
I applaud them.
Jack Nicholson, as US Marine Corps Col. Nathan Jessup in “A Few Good Men”, challenged US military haters – “I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the very blanket of freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it. I prefer you said ‘thank you’, and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand your post”.

Well, dear patriotic anti-US bases gentlemen and ladies, we stand proudly alongside you – curiously waiting for you to prove your ultimate belief in not needing Clark and Subic, the VFA, and all the Damn Yankee military in the Philippines. We are watching and waiting for you to pick up a weapon and stand your post at Scarborough. Stop hiding. Get back in the limelight and be our heroes.
And Good Luck, for this is the bad news – you are gonna NEED it.


NPA, heroes, is that what he is implying? The eery silence of the anti-US. Ginagago na nga tayo ng China anti-US pa ang rhetoric. Magmigrate nalang sila sa China :lol:

where's the exact link to the article?




Remember tho, India is too far.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18045383

Thanks

^^ no probs.


Read between the lines :D

Overall I still find it all positive though it is because of its own interest. But it is being internationalized. This thing needs more international attention.

^^ no probs.




Overall I still find it all positive though it is because of its own interest. But it is being internationalized. This thing needs more international attention.

Agree agree. Think of it, we have been pushing talks to get it settled in the international law but China the bully does not want.

It's loud and clear talo sila pag sa korte:D

may kalakip na hindi maganda kapag ito ay kumalat ng husto. posibleng matakot ang mga investors o mga nagbabalak mag invest sa pilipinas at lumantad sa buong mundo ang kahinaan natin na maging mitsa ng iba pang bansang magtangkang atakihin tayo.

@Nabartek, Yep reading between the lines it is of paramount importance to Australia because they just claimed that most of their trade passes exactly through that area.
In a way it's better just to show that our protest is modest and is being done peacefully. It is enough to throw off those CCP media parrots exaggerating the reports that their nationals are not safe in the Philippines. :lol:

Not only that, those Chinese tourists going back to China would tell their families and friends that they actually enjoyed their vacation in the Philippines and no one over there is threatening them. :lol:
YOu will not be alone if China starts the war. They will get in trouble.
hello India! :naughty: ;)
Well actually :D :D :D :D I only know of 4 neighbouring Asian countries that have the balls to stand up to China, to wit ~ Japan, Vietnam, India and the newest member of the Fantastic Four = ta-dah, Philippines :cool:

All the rest are, oh well ... :lol: :lol: :rofl:
^^ So let's stop the jokes about smell.
Ajajaja, at naalala mo nuon ang mga CvC at patutsada laban sa kanila about sa mga call centre business. O di frens na pala now. :D :D
Sa totoo lang, hindi mababaho ang mga Indians, very misleading and very racist joke yan. When I was in India last January kala ko mababaho sila.. hindi naman actually.hindi naman mabaho talaga ang lahat. :D :D Ang sarap nga sa cama e kasi goodlooking at ang taas talaga ng face value.

I think we are making the right moves for now..Pabayaan natin mapikon and chicoms....let them fire the first shot..lets just keep noynoying...Sun Tzu has no strategy against noynoying.

Our best weapon apart from diplomatic is to internationalize the issue...I'm Glad I I finally heard something from foreign minister Carr...I have meet this guy personally a few yrs back....nice guy...lol :D

may kalakip na hindi maganda kapag ito ay kumalat ng husto. posibleng matakot ang mga investors o mga nagbabalak mag invest sa pilipinas at lumantad sa buong mundo ang kahinaan natin na maging mitsa ng iba pang bansang magtangkang atakihin tayo.

That will just be a short term problem. We should think of the long term: If we give up to China now, they will be more aggressive and think they can just use us as pawn to redirect the anger of their citizens by creating a staged stand off :bash:

I think we are making the right moves for now..Pabayaan natin mapikon and chicoms....let them fire the first shot..lets just keep noynoying...Sun Tzu has no strategy against noynoying.

Our best weapon apart from diplomatic is to internationalize the issue...I'm Glad I I finally heard something from foreign minister Carr...I have meet this guy personally a few yrs back....nice guy...lol :D

"The art of Noynoying" :lol:

Both India and Australia suggests that we take it to international court to settle this. :D

and PROC finds that weird. :lol:

Pero nagtataka ako bakit yung mga bumbay na napupunta ng Pilipinas mejo may amoy? :D

Both India and Australia suggests that we take it to international court to settle this. :D

and PROC finds that weird. :lol:

Ironically, they are part of the UN Security Council permanent seat... :lol:


I think by far, we did a good job getting their hypocrisy exposed. They have not been exposed like this as much....:lol:

The art of Noynoying :D

Pero nagtataka ako bakit yung mga bumbay na napupunta ng Pilipinas mejo may amoy? :D

Sa spices na ginagamit nila sa pagkain tapos humalo sa pawis nila. Ganon kasi kalakas yung mga spices nila eh.

I love Indian food as well because they have a variety of spices. Have you tried Chicken curry with cardamom spice on it? Cardamom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardamom) smells like vicks :lol:, but they taste good with curry and Naan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naan) bread on the sides.

and the best thing about their food is the selection of vegetarian dishes - lalo na yung samosa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samosa) nila. ;)