Then, they'll pull a Paracel on us.

Definitely. :ohno:

Buti nalang kahit papaano may kapit pa tayo kay Papa Sugar :lol:

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Definitely. :ohno:

Buti nalang kahit papaano may kapit pa tayo kay Papa Sugar :lol:

They're trying to foool Papa Sugar as always

China says Pentagon hypes Chinese military threat (http://news.yahoo.com/china-says-pentagon-hypes-chinese-military-threat-091116280.html;_ylt=A2KJNF8QNLxPHXQAqnnQtDMD)

...In remarks posted on the ministry's website on Monday, Geng said the Pentagon report is at odds with that effort.

"At the time when the relations between the two armies are on the rise, the U.S. stubbornly sticks to ways of casting doubts on and discrediting China," said Geng. He said China demands that the U.S. "stop making comments not conducive to China-U.S. relations and the mutual trust between the two armies."

Papa Sugar: Because it is worth repeating:lol:

The United States on Tuesday renewed its call for the crafting of a legally-binding code of conduct in the disputed West Philippine Sea (also called South China Sea) amid the ongoing naval standoff between the Philippines and China at the Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal. (http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/259040/news/nation/us-wants-legally-binding-code-of-conduct-in-west-philippine-sea-row)

Joseph Yousang Yun, State Department Principal Deputy Assistant on Security for East Asia and the Pacific, said this was conveyed by the US to senior officials of Association of South East Asian Nations (ASEAN) in Manila as both sides discussed wide-raging bilateral and regional issues that included maritime security and the West Philippine Sea.

A code of conduct among Asian nations with overlapping claims to the resource-rich sea, Yun said, would help ease tensions in the area.

“As far as the US is concerned, we stated that we very much look forward to ASEAN and China working on the code of conduct which I think will be helpful for everyone,” Yun, Washington’s representative to the 25th ASEAN-US Dialogue, told reporters.

Yun said the impasse between the Philippines and China at Panatag Shoal was not discussed in the meeting but noted that both sides hoped for a peaceful resolution to any disputes and agreed to work together towards regional stability.

Competing claims to the vast waters, believed to be sitting atop vast oil and gas deposits, by the Philippines, China, Malaysia, Vietnam, Brunei and Taiwan, have sparked violent confrontations in the past, sparking fears it could be Asia’s next potential flashpoint for war.

China claims the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea) nearly in its entirety, including areas that overlap with the Philippines' territorial waters.

US national interest

The US is not a party to the territorial row but has declared that it is in its national interest to ensure that the conflicts are resolved peacefully.

Washington also said it wants to ensure the freedom of navigation in the West Philippine Sea amid the territorial problem.

Beijing warned the US to stay away from the disputes, which it described as an Asian issue that should not involve outsiders like Washington.

A 2002 agreement signed between ASEAN and China calls on all claimants to exercise restraint and stop new occupation in the disputed area.

However, its non-binding nature and lack of provision to sanction misbehaving claimants, renders the accord useless against aggression.

The Philippines and China have been locked in a maritime standoff at the Panatag Shoal since April 10, one of the largest territorial crisis in the West Philippine Sea in recent years.
It erupted when Philippine authorities spotted several Chinese fishermen in the shoal, which Manila said is part of its territory. The Philippines was about the arrest the fishermen but was prevented by two Chinese patrol ships

They're trying to foool Papa Sugar as always

China says Pentagon hypes Chinese military threat

Chinese Defense Ministry spokesman Geng Yansheng said the Pentagon report exaggerates Chinese defense capabilities, falsely accuses China of launching cyber-attacks and plays up a military edge over rival Taiwan to boost U.S. weapon sales.

Typical chicom liars. I thought they are ready to make war with Philippines. They should pick someone of their own size. :lol:

After making the Philippines as their lab rat for their attempt to control the WPS/East Sea, they are coming up with a softened b/s after being humiliated by a weak country. :lol:

Papa Sugar: Because it is worth repeating:lol:

Beijing warned the US to stay away from the disputes, which it described as an Asian issue that should not involve outsiders like Washington.

Too bad, when Pentagon warned Beijing, all the chicoms came up is that the threat is overhyped.

Guess who got the final say here? :lol::lol:

Egad. If this is true, dapat magpasalamat uli tayo kay Papa Sugar:lol:



Is China moving to attack the Philippines? (http://www.rappler.com/thought-leaders/5514-is-china-moving-to-attack-the-philippines)

...Late last week, Internet reports indicated that the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Guangzhou Military Area Command and the Navy's South China Sea Fleet had ordered troops to the second highest level of combat readiness. The PLA maintains 4 levels of war preparedness with the top level indicating full readiness. The Guangzhou Military Area Command and the South China Sea Fleet area of responsibility covers the South China Sea...Japan Self-Defense Forces first spotted the naval group 650 nautical miles southwest of Okinawa on Sunday after they had crossed the Strait of Miyako. The vessels then entered the Philippine Sea where they conducted amphibious landing exercises and helicopter training missions halfway between Taiwan and the main Philippine island of Luzon.

Although positioned in international waters the task force can deploy at a moment’s notice to Scarborough Shoal which is only two day’s hard sailing away.

Interestingly enough, China had ordered its fishing fleet to stay away from the South China Sea including the Scarborough Shoal ostensibly as a measure to conserve fish resources in the area. Some analysts, see the move, however, as a sign that China wants the area cleared of Chinese civilian vessels in the event it launches naval offensive operations...

The US, however, appears to be aware of Chinese intentions and deployed the nuclear-powered attack submarine, USS North Carolina, to its former naval base at Subic Bay. Virtually undetectable when submerged and bristling with an array of cruise and anti-ship missiles, the deployment of the submarine is meant to send a strong message to China that the US is prepared to defend the Philippines in case of attack.

Cutter Dallas Officially Turned Over to the Philippines


Posted: May 23, 2012 7:04 AM
Updated: May 23, 2012 8:08 AM


Ramon Alcaraz is prepped before leaving Charleston. (WCIV)By Lia Sestric
lsestric@abcnews4.com

CHARLESTON, S.C. (WCIV) -- The US Coast Guard Cutter Dallas has officially been turned over to the Philippines.

In a ceremony Tuesday, more than 100 military personnel and visitors came to the pier at the old Charleston Navy Base.

As the U.S. Flag lowered, the Coast Guard crew exited Cutter Dallas for the last time.

"It's a bitter-sweet day. It's with sadness that we decommission a ship that has served us so faithfully," Rear Admiral John Korn, assistant commandant for acquisition said.

The ceremony included a passing of a spy glass by commanding officers, which is a tradition. It was followed by a handshake and the formal signing of the certificate of delivery.

"I have mixed emotions while we do this," Korn said. "We are getting new assets to replace this classic cutter, so we're very excited about that. I served aboard this cutter first year out of the Coast Guard Academy in 1979, so I got some feelings for this ship."

Filipino Navy Captain Ernesto Baldovino says the high-endurance cutter will support Philippines' security and development purposes.

"I'm very proud. I was the commanding officer selected by the workers, and it's good to serve my country," he said.


Under its new ownership, the vessel has changed names. The cutter is now called Ramon Alcaraz, after a former naval officer in World War II.

Typical chicom liars. I thought they are ready to make war with Philippines. They should pick someone of their own size. :lol:

After making the Philippines as their lab rat for their attempt to control the WPS/East Sea, they are coming up with a softened b/s after being humiliated by a weak country. :lol:

If the US statement is not true, why are the Chicoms so bothered? :lol:

Egad. If this is true, dapat magpasalamat uli tayo kay Papa Sugar:lol:

The AFP is probably ready for an incoming attacks by the Chicoms by then. Some of the citizens were called to serve already.

If they do manage to land anywhere in the Philippines, our AFP can take them down nice and easy. Mayabang na sila - akala lang nila ganon tayo kadali 'pangaralan' ng mga yan - baka sila ang pangaralan natin. :lol:

^^Speaking of which, do you think Vietnam will aid us in any possible way they can should we be attacked?

Their latest jesture, although symbolic than anything else, is something. As in the Vietnamese intellectuals really recognized that Scarborough is ours unlike Papa Sugar who is "neutral"

I just realized, the latest stunt China pulled on us placed her in a dilemma. She can't withdraw because of the sentiments at home. She can't attack us because Papa said he will come to the rescue :lol:

^^Speaking of which, do you think Vietnam will aid us in any possible way they can should we be attacked?

Their latest jesture, although symbolic than anything else, is something. As in the Vietnamese intellectuals really recognized that Scarborough is ours unlike Papa Sugar who is "neutral"

Yeah, I have a feeling that Vietnam would also lend us their assistance as best as they can - as they haven't recovered yet from the massacre that took place in their own territory and would love a piece of 'em.

Ahem


Not exactly suave. But good thing the war ended, no?

and Americans didn't bite it but made Thailand among their most favorite tourism destinations instead.

^^Speaking of which, do you think Vietnam will aid us in any possible way they can should we be attacked?

Their latest jesture, although symbolic than anything else, is something. As in the Vietnamese intellectuals really recognized that Scarborough is ours unlike Papa Sugar who is "neutral"

I just realized, the latest stunt China pulled on us placed her in a dilemma. She can't withdraw because of the sentiments at home. She can't attack us because Papa said he will come to the rescue :lol:

Well, Papa Sugar can't support us verbally, you know that. So many factors to be considered first.
If I can guess, Papa Sugar is probably just waiting for the first shot from China. Cause Papa Sugar knows he will walk away looking like Captain America and China will suffer as the Villain of the region Might even lose their UN seat (How I wish:lol:)

Yeah, I have a feeling that Vietnam would also lend us their assistance as best as they can - as they haven't recovered yet from the massacre that took place in their own territory and would love a piece of 'em.

The guts of the Vietnamese is really admirable. Such strong gesture like recognizing that it is in our EEZ can make China "hit" on them...unlike their "coward neighbor" :lol: You see, any country that says that the dispute should be resolved peacefully is always slammed by China :lol:

Maybe, they thought too that we had guts staring at the Chinese :lol:

^^ Even without another regional power beside Vietnam, they have the guts to really just fight the Chinese. Something that is very admirable.

The Philippines is lucky we are predominantly allied with the West since our time as a Commonwealth State, we can rely on support from them in times of great need. We also have other strong Asian allies up north to rely on.

Mother America does not need to do some saber rattling like what China does. As I see it, the Philippines seems to be in charge of the PR things like telling the Chinese to bring the issue to ITLOS and many more while the Americans are the ones getting ready to do the action if things come to worst. A good teamwork eh? If we can't fight them with swords, kill them with words. And if they do point their swords at us, they sure know well what it's gonna be like to feel the wrath of 'Great Tormentor'. :lol:

^^ Even without another regional power beside Vietnam, they have the guts to really just fight the Chinese. Something that is very admirable.



^^ not only did they fight, the Vietnamese also defeated the Chinese, just as they did with the Americans.


part of their secret was the ancient writings of a Vietnamese sage whose ideas helped his countrymen defeat the Mongols many centuries ago, the document now a priceless national treasure closely guarded by the people of Vietnam.

The guts of the Vietnamese is really admirable. Such strong gesture like recognizing that it is in our EEZ can make China "hit" on them...unlike their "coward neighbor" :lol: You see, any country that says that the dispute should be resolved peacefully is always slammed by China :lol:

Maybe, they thought too that we had guts staring at the Chinese :lol:


I guess we also gained respect among the Vietnamese after looking down on us for standing up on this issue even without expecting the US to help us.

They felt that we have the same predicament especially with the bullies.

Come on, we fought the Spaniards, Japanese and Americans before - and they were formidable powers of their time. Philippines still became Philippines Why would the Chicom think they are that special?

Kulang pa sila. :lol:

^^ Even without another regional power beside Vietnam, they have the guts to really just fight the Chinese. Something that is very admirable.

The Philippines is lucky we are predominantly allied with the West since our time as a Commonwealth State, we can rely on support from them in times of great need. We also have other strong Asian allies up north to rely on.

Mother America does not need to do some saber rattling like what China does. As I see it, the Philippines seems to be in charge of the PR things like telling the Chinese to bring the issue to ITLOS and many more while the Americans are the ones getting ready to do the action if things come to worst. A good teamwork eh? If we can't fight them with swords, kill them with words. And if they do point their swords at us, they sure know well what it's gonna be like to feel the wrath of 'Great Tormentor'. :lol:

Philippines is part of the chain of US power extension in the Asia Pacific and that is the reason why our country is also a major ally. Being as a major ally, it is important for both US and Philippines that the Philippines military capability is upgraded and modernized. Let's hope that Philippines do become like an Israel of the region.

^^ not only did they fight, the Vietnamese also defeated the Chinese, just as they did with the Americans.

The US caused their own defeat. In reality, it was more like a armistice/stalemate between the Vietnam and US.
Vietnam was never really a foe of the US, anyway. It was just the VC/Communist forces that wanted to take over from the previous Democratic Government of South Vietnam.

^^ Compared to say, the Gulf War and WW2, the US had no strategy in Vietnam. Thanks to LBJ for ruining things :lol:

The US defeat in Vietnam was more of a political defeat. People in the US grew tiresome that when after the elections, the new government pulled out the troops

^^ Compared to say, the Gulf War and WW2, the US had no strategy in Vietnam. Thanks to LBJ for ruining things :lol:

Plus the US troops were not used to guerilla warfare especially with the tactics used by The Vietnamese.

^^ Compared to say, the Gulf War and WW2, the US had no strategy in Vietnam. Thanks to LBJ for ruining things :lol:

Plus the US troops were not used to guerilla warfare especially with the tactics used by The Vietnamese.

present day China should learn the lessons of their ancient ancestors when centuries ago they abandoned all naval militaristic ambition by suddenly burning all of their merchant and naval fleets, with reasons so profound and mysterious that the Chinese people should better heed.

Plus the US troops were not used to guerilla warfare especially with the tactics used by The Vietnamese.

The VC lived in underground holes :lol:

I guess you are right. Their training with the aetas in Zambales was limited to jungle survival not guerilla warfare

Philippines is part of the chain of US power extension in the Asia Pacific and that is the reason why our country is also a major ally. Being as a major ally, it is important for both US and Philippines that the Philippines military capability is upgraded and modernized. Let's hope that Philippines do become like an Israel of the region.


you don't know what you're talking about on that part.

The guts of the Vietnamese is really admirable. Such strong gesture like recognizing that it is in our EEZ can make China "hit" on them...unlike their "coward neighbor" :lol: You see, any country that says that the dispute should be resolved peacefully is always slammed by China :lol:

Maybe, they thought too that we had guts staring at the Chinese :lol:

Not only on that aspect. My brother who runs a ship intimated that Vietnamese crews are the most desired when it comes to dedication and respect of ship officers! They're one of a kind when it comes to being resolute and steadfast.

In this crisis, true colors of many countries whom we once considered friends and allies come to surface. Now that they reveal what they really are, it's time for us to decide for ourselves and start arming. With the way things are going on in Southeast Asia, I'm afraid we will have to go the way onto the Western world. Scumbag who abandons dignity and national integrity over money is much lower than those saber rattling Chinese Bolsheviks.

present day China should learn the lessons of their ancient ancestors when centuries ago they abandoned all naval militaristic ambition by suddenly burning all of their merchant and naval fleets, with reasons so profound and mysterious that the Chinese people should better heed.

Like Sun Tzu

In this crisis, true colors of many countries whom we once considered friends and allies come to surface. Now that they reveal what they really are, it's time for us to decide for ourselves and start arming. With the way things are going on in Southeast Asia, I'm afraid we will have to go the way onto the Western world. Scumbag who abandons dignity and national integrity over money is much lower than those saber rattling Chinese Bolsheviks.

It's quite funny, a Socialist country is out there openly supporting our claims; while a supposed "democratic" country is out there kissing the bullies ass :lol:

That being said, it's pretty obvious that there is something wrong with China :lol:

you don't know what you're talking about on that part.

I was talking about our defense capabilities and would like Philippines to be like Israel in that aspect only.

In this crisis, true colors of many countries whom we once considered friends and allies come to surface. Now that they reveal what they really are, it's time for us to decide for ourselves and start arming. With the way things are going on in Southeast Asia, I'm afraid we will have to go the way onto the Western world. Scumbag who abandons dignity and national integrity over money is much lower than those saber rattling Chinese Bolsheviks.

It's quite funny, a Socialist country is out there openly supporting our claims; while a supposed "democratic" country is out there kissing the bullies ass :lol:

That being said, it's pretty obvious that there is something wrong with China :lol:

Ahem.. Referring to the pepper eating surrender monkeys of Asia? :rofl: :rofl:

Yeupz, it seems that Vietnam can be a reliable ally against the Giant Lizard.

I was talking about our defense capabilities and would like Philippines to be like Israel in that aspect only.

Or better.

Other than weapons, vehicles and equipment, Israel has a strict laws on conscription and both male and female must serve at least 2 years in the armed forces.

It takes political will for our government to imply such laws.

Ahem.. Referring to the pepper eating surrender monkeys of Asia? :rofl: :rofl:

Yeupz, it seems that Vietnam can be a reliable ally against the Giant Lizard.


Yes. ;)

Or better.

Other than weapons, vehicles and equipment, Israel has a strict laws on conscription and both male and female must serve at least 2 years in the armed forces.

It takes political will for our government to imply such laws.

I believe that CAT and ROTC should be reinstated. It is more relevant than ever before.

Yes. ;)

Based on the article you posted, it seems that their people is also worried about the Chicom encroaching on their lives while they also welcomed the developments such as the high speed rail roads and Chinese funded infra projects, which on the other hand, Philippines rejected.

Hindi lang kahapon pinanganak ang mga Pinoy di tulad ng mga surrender monkeys na yan. Lokohin muna ang lolo nila bago tayo. :lol:

Ahem.. Referring to the pepper eating surrender monkeys of Asia? :rofl: :rofl:

Yeupz, it seems that Vietnam can be a reliable ally against the Giant Lizard.

Of course! Who wouldn't? They have been on it since World War II, I find their similarity with the surrender monkeys in France back then. But I guess the French fared better than them at it. :lol:

Politics of the Vichy regime in Europe while in southeast asia, politics of "********", ahem, baka matira tayo niyan. Nag-iingat lang. :nuts: :lol:

I loved this line of all the war speeches in WWII:

"We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

- Sir Winston Churchill :cheers:

Such bravery is called for in this great country and is greatly needed by all the cowardly nations surrounding us. :)

I believe that CAT and ROTC should be reinstated. It is more relevant than ever before.

It takes more than just CAT and ROTC. National service is definitely needed especially in times like this.

^^ But at least ROTC can train all youth for cases like this. We can't absorb them all into military service, it will take a toll on our treasury. We just need to prepare them to be able to survive in times of invasion.

^^ But at least ROTC can train all youth for cases like this. We can't absorb them all into military service, it will take a toll on our treasury. We just need to prepare them to be able to survive in times of invasion.

It has to be done properly. And should be run like a military not a fraternity.

^^ minus corrupt, weak principled ROTC officers

^^ Speaking of the devil --- fraternities. :lol: :bash:

Of course! Who wouldn't? They have been on it since World War II, I find their similarity with the surrender monkeys in France back then. But I guess the French fared better than them at it. :lol:

Politics of the Vichy regime in Europe while in southeast asia, politics of "********", ahem, baka matira tayo niyan. Nag-iingat lang. :nuts: :lol:

I loved this line of all the war speeches in WWII:

"We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

- Sir Winston Churchill :cheers:

Such bravery is called for in this great country and is greatly needed by all the cowardly nations surrounding us. :)

Meron nga isa sa kanila, nag retaliate. ;)

Pero wala kaming paki-alam dahil totoo naman. Sabi pa nila na langgam lang tayo kumpara sa elepante na kalaban natin. :lol::nuts::lol::nuts:

Talking about words of encouragement, while our Vietnamese brothers are totally opposite - they are in solidarity with us regarding our fight of what is right. We should also return that by supporting that the Chicoms occupation of their Paracel Islands is illegal.

^^ Di nila alam, mas mahirap tirisin ang maraming langgam kung ikukumpara sa isang malaking elepante na ang dali barilin. ;)

^^ Speaking of the devil --- fraternities. :lol: :bash:

In the military especially in The US, the drill sergeant will motivate you and not pressure you to do the things that you are not capable of. Plus those who cannot take it can quit.

Singapore on the other hand also have modified basic military training especially for conscripts who are less fit or are overweight.

That is not the case with fraternity initiations especially with hazing.

National service in Singapore (SAF)

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BRP Ramon Alcaraz with picture from abcnews... if somebody knows how to copy and post them here, but don't forget to name the source.

http://www.abcnews4.com/story/18598532/cutter-dallas-officially-turned-over-to-phillippines

In the military especially in The US, the drill sergeant will motivate you and not pressure you to do the things that you are not capable of. Plus those who cannot take it can quit.

Singapore on the other hand also have modified basic military training especially for conscripts who are less fit or are overweight.

That is not the case with fraternity initiations especially with hazing.

That's true. If ROTC gets reinstated, I hope they can professionalize the course with real military and combat training.

That's true. If ROTC gets reinstated, I hope they can professionalize the course with real military and combat training.

And with better weapons. The M-1 Garand is still being used in today's ROTC. How can that stand to China's QBZ-95.

Anyway, at least military officers are more compassionate and humane towards their recruits compared to the grandmasters of a fraternal organization.

http://www.abcnews4.com/story/18598532/cutter-dallas-officially-turned-over-to-phillippines

And with better weapons. The M-1 Garand is still being used in today's ROTC. How can that stand to China's QBZ-95.

Anyway, at least military officers are more compassionate and humane towards their recruits compared to the grandmasters of a fraternal organization.

ROTC? Do students still do those?

China is using an strategic blue-print. Analyse the words Karl Marx addressed his followers:

“…and the Capitalists will sell you the least rope by which to hang themselves.”

It is exactly what is happening...

And with better weapons. The M-1 Garand is still being used in today's ROTC. How can that stand to China's QBZ-95.

Anyway, at least military officers are more compassionate and humane towards their recruits compared to the grandmasters of a fraternal organization.

China's QBZ-95 is pretty much outdated compared to the technology developed by none other than our very own Pinoy company (http://www.udmc-weapons.com/updates/2010-06-02/navsog-navy-seals-adopts-the-pvar-as-its-standard-rifle).

Based on the specs, it's piston operated, not gas operated used by older generation rifles. It's not subject to overheating and can operate without problems even when wet.

All China can do is copy, Pinoys are more innovative. ;)

Check this out: perfect for ambush while on water. :lol:

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Goodbye USCG Dallas, welcome BRP Ramon Alcaraz. :cheers:

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http://adroth.ph/afpmodern/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/metro_dallas_boat_6_t678.jpg

http://coastguard.dodlive.mil/files/2012/04/120330-G-RT555-415-Dallas-Decommissioning.jpg

China's QBZ-95 is pretty much outdated compared to the technology developed by none other than our very own Pinoy company (http://www.udmc-weapons.com/updates/2010-06-02/navsog-navy-seals-adopts-the-pvar-as-its-standard-rifle).

Based on the specs, it's piston operated, not gas operated used by older generation rifles. It's not subject to overheating and can operate without problems even when wet.

All China can do is copy, Pinoys are more innovative. ;)

Check this out: perfect for ambush while on water. :lol:


Time will tell when these weapons become standard assault rifles of The Philippine soldier instead of rely on older weapons like The M-16.

On the other hand, Israel being a strong military capability has developed a powerful and reliant assault rifle, The Micro Tavor. And will soon become the service rifle of the Israeli soldier.

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^^ That's an awesome rifle. I wikied it and the Philippine Marines have some of it. :banana: :banana:

^^ You've got to hand it over to the Philippine Marines. They'll kick Chinese ass the time they sat foot in our land. ;)

^^ You've got to hand it over to the Philippine Marines. They'll kick Chinese ass the time they sat foot in our land. ;)

What about Makapilis like this?

http://www.randomxthoughts.com/2012/05/us-nuke-submarine.html

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/12182361-washington-regains-control-of-naval-base-in-manila

DND cites benefits PHL will get from SOVFA with Australia (http://www.zambotimes.com/archives/47656-DND-cites-benefits-PHL-will-get-from-SOVFA-with-Australia.html)


by Jelly F. Musico

MANILA — The Department of National Defense (DND) enumerated on Monday the direct benefits that the Philippines would get if the Senate would ratify the Status of Visiting Forces Agreement (SOVFA) with Australia.

During the public hearing conducted by the Senate committee on foreign relations, Defense undersecretary for legal and legislative affairs Pio Lorenzo Batino said Australia can help in terms of the modernization program of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP), including transfer of military capabilities under SOVFA.

”If we have this SOVFA ratified, we will have a lot to learn and we can expect continued support of our military needs,” Batino said.

He said SOVFA will also provide the legal framework as the two countries promote military cooperation by sending troops to Australia for military scholarships and training.

”The SOVFA will benefit the Philippines in terms of education and training, capacity building, humanitarian assistance and disaster response,” Batino said.

Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) undersecretary Esteban Conejos said SOFVA, which the Australian parliament ratified in 2007, will enhance the capability of the AFP in terms of facing threat of terrorism, promoting maritime security, environment protection and relief operations during disasters.

”It will intensify bilateral relationship with Australia,” Conejos said.

Meanwhile, Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile ordered the Department of Justice (DOJ) as well as the DND and DFA to submit matrix comparing the VFA with Australia and the VFA with the United States, specifically the provision on criminal jurisdiction, to assure abuses of the agreement will not be violated by both parties.

”Evidently, this is a difficult issue that in this kind of agreement you will encounter a lot of problems,” Enrile said.

”Based on the wordings of the Australia SOFVA, there is more reference for the rights of the receiving states with respect to criminal jurisdiction,” Batino replied.

Enrile clarified that he is in favor of the measure, “but I just want to find out the criminal jurisdiction and custody provisions.”

Senator Loren Legarda, chairperson of the Senate committee on foreign relations, supported the motion of Enrile requiring the involved government offices to submit further study on the criminal jurisdiction provision of the agreement.

”Cite that specific provision in SOVFA which you claimed is different from the VFA with the U.S. insofar as the criminal jurisdiction is concerned,” Legarda said.

Legarda has given the concerned government agencies until Thursday to submit the report even as she set the next hearing on Monday next week.

The DFA said the Philippines and Australia have already been conducting joint military exercises but these are only covered by a memorandum of understanding (MOU) signed in 1995.

Former President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo and former Australian Prime Minister John Howard witnessed the signing of the SOVFA at Parliament House in Canberra in June 2007.

Under the Constitution, a treaty or international agreement must be ratified by at least two-thirds of all the members of the Senate to be valid and effective. (PNA)

And with better weapons. The M-1 Garand is still being used in today's ROTC. How can that stand to China's QBZ-95.

Anyway, at least military officers are more compassionate and humane towards their recruits compared to the grandmasters of a fraternal organization.

Its easy even when your eyes are closed. Shoot the Chinese and get their guns and munitions. Or better yet, hire someone from Quiapo. Theyll lose it before they know it.

China vows to guard Scarborough shoal
by Jojo Malig, ABS-CBNnews.com
Posted at 05/22/2012 11:15 PM | Updated as of 05/22/2012 11:15 PM

MANILA, Philippines - China has vowed to "remain vigilant" over Scarborough shoal amid its simmering territorial dispute with the Philippines.

The Chinese embassy in Manila, in a statement sent to media Tuesday, insisted that the shoal belongs to Beijing.

"Huangyan Island has always been China's territory. The Chinese side will remain highly vigilant on the island and obstruct any provocative behavior," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said in reaction to an aborted plan by a group of Filipinos to go to the shoal just west of the Philippines.

"We also hope that the related sides from the Philippines will stop making irresponsible remarks or provoking unrestricted behaviors, return to the correct path of diplomatic solution and hence send clear and consistent message," he added.

Hong said a recent drill by a naval fleet of China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) in the West Pacific waters was a regular training program and was not aimed at any particular country or target.

He said China's stand over the issue is "clear-cut."

"Huangyan Island has always been China's territory, and China possesses indisputable sovereignty over the island," he said.

"The Philippine side should concretely respect China's territorial sovereignty. At the same time, China's position of committing to diplomatic consultation to address the current situation remains unchanged," he added.

Hong said the Philippines should "work towards the same direction with the Chinese side, take China's concerns seriously, return to the correct path of diplomatic solution and hence send clear and consistent message."

So what now? Looks like this will become a blinking contest. This game is ending in a stalemate.

And with better weapons. The M-1 Garand is still being used in today's ROTC. How can that stand to China's QBZ-95.

Anyway, at least military officers are more compassionate and humane towards their recruits compared to the grandmasters of a fraternal organization.

Some soldiers and policemen still use the M-1.

China vows to guard Scarborough shoal
by Jojo Malig, ABS-CBNnews.com
Posted at 05/22/2012 11:15 PM | Updated as of 05/22/2012 11:15 PM

MANILA, Philippines - China has vowed to "remain vigilant" over Scarborough shoal amid its simmering territorial dispute with the Philippines.

The Chinese embassy in Manila, in a statement sent to media Tuesday, insisted that the shoal belongs to Beijing.

"Huangyan Island has always been China's territory. The Chinese side will remain highly vigilant on the island and obstruct any provocative behavior," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said in reaction to an aborted plan by a group of Filipinos to go to the shoal just west of the Philippines.

"We also hope that the related sides from the Philippines will stop making irresponsible remarks or provoking unrestricted behaviors, return to the correct path of diplomatic solution and hence send clear and consistent message," he added.

Hong said a recent drill by a naval fleet of China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) in the West Pacific waters was a regular training program and was not aimed at any particular country or target.

He said China's stand over the issue is "clear-cut."

"Huangyan Island has always been China's territory, and China possesses indisputable sovereignty over the island," he said.

"The Philippine side should concretely respect China's territorial sovereignty. At the same time, China's position of committing to diplomatic consultation to address the current situation remains unchanged," he added.

Hong said the Philippines should "work towards the same direction with the Chinese side, take China's concerns seriously, return to the correct path of diplomatic solution and hence send clear and consistent message."

So what now? Looks like this will become a blinking contest. This game is ending in a stalemate.

Malapit na ata election sa china kaya nagpapa pogi points na sila....dahil napahiya sila ng todo todo ng isang 'ant' country. Na-hurt ata ang ego nila dahil sa atin...:crazy:

the biggest casualty in this ongoing standoff is the shoal itself...:ohno: and i thought Beijing imposed a fishing ban?!?!:rant::ohno::bash:

DFA: China keeps sending ships to Panatag Shoal amid talks with PHL officials
GMA News
May 23, 2012 12:50pm

China continued to flex its maritime muscle by keeping 21 vessels and 76 other smaller boats at the disputed Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal while holding talks with Philippine officials to end the nearly seven-week tense standoff in the area, the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) said on Wednesday.

Despite lingering tensions, DFA spokesman Raul Hernandez said Manila remains "committed to efforts of defusing tensions" at the shoal.

Based on a Philippine Coast Guard report as of 7:00 p.m. on Monday, the DFA said China has been keeping five Chinese government vessels at the shoal: CMS 71, CMS 84, FLEC 301, 303 and 310.

According to Hernandez, the vessels were accompanied by 16 Chinese fishing boats, 10 of which were inside the lagoon while six were outside.

There were 56 utility boats — 27 inside lagoon and 29 were outside, the DFA said.

Hernandez said China has been conducting fishing in the area and continued to harvest endangered species amid a fishing ban imposed by Beijing over the shoal on May 16.

“The increase in the number of China’s vessels in the area imperils marine biodiversity in the shoal and threatens the marine ecosystem in the whole of the WPS,” Hernandez told a press briefing.

He said the Chinese fishermen were said to have “unlawfully dredged the area and illegally harvested giant clams and corals.”

...

rest of article:
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/259122/news/nation/dfa-china-keeps-sending-ships-to-panatag-shoal-amid-talks-with-phl-officials

Some soldiers and policemen still use the M-1.

In battle?

the biggest casualty in this ongoing standoff is the shoal itself...:ohno: and i thought Beijing imposed a fishing ban?!?!:rant::ohno::bash:

DFA: China keeps sending ships to Panatag Shoal amid talks with PHL officials
GMA News
May 23, 2012 12:50pm

C*ck s*cking Chinese Pigs!!! Philippines should never trust this people!!! Big bad liars!!

Dapat may media na nagcocover sa shoal kasi!

daming ships ng china sa shoal baka another mischief reef in the making yan...

daming ships ng china sa shoal baka another mischief reef in the making yan...

It already is...:ohno:

Dapat may media na nagcocover sa shoal kasi!

Masyadong busy ang media sa coronavela kaysa sa totoong issue ng pilipinas, tulad ng skarboro... :crazy:

it actually looks more like China owns the shoal and we're just looking from a distance...:ohno: mukhang hino-hoard na nila ung shoal, ilang taon lang baka sira na ang ecosystem dyan..:bash:

It already is...:ohno:



Masyadong busy ang media sa coronavela kaysa sa totoong issue ng pilipinas, tulad ng skarboro... :crazy:

sobra na nga yan coronavela...hehehe kakaiba talaga politics sa pinas maraming twist at catch daig pa mga story ng mga drama shows...:banana::banana::banana:

nakakainip kasi yun stand off para sa media, boring kasi... naghihintay pa yang mga hinayupak na yan na paulanan ng bala at palubugin yun dadalawang barko natin sa shoal saka lang yan magiingay sa TV...:bash::bash::bash:

it actually looks more like China owns the shoal and we're just looking from a distance...:ohno: mukhang hino-hoard na nila ung shoal, ilang BUWAN lang baka sira na ang ecosystem dyan..:bash:

Fixed.

Gahaman talaga 'tong mga chinks na 'to...wala na silang resources sa shores nila kaya pati tayo dinadamay nila...

Ang tanong bakit hindi pa dinadala ng DFA sa ITLOS? magdadalawang buwan na yan

Ang tanong bakit hindi pa dinadala ng DFA sa ITLOS? magdadalawang buwan na yan


Hinde pa kasi ino-order ni papa sugar kay AbNoyNoy yan order na yan. :crazy:

Nearly 100 Chinese vessels spotted in Panatag (http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationsubcategoryid=200&articleid=809916)

MANILA, Philippines - Almost 100 Chinese vessels have been spotted in the Panatag Shoal in Zambales province, which the Philippines finds "regrettable" because this happened despite China's previous assurance that it is working to de-escalate the situation in the disputed territory.

The Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) reported that at 7 p.m. on Monday (May 21), five Chinese government vessels CMS-71, CMS-84, FLEC-301, FLEC-303 and FLEC-310 were spotted inside the shoal's lagoon along with 10 Chinese fishing boats.

Six more Chinese fishing boats were spotted outside the lagoon of the shoal, which is also called in the Philippines as Bajo de Masinloc.

The DFA added that also on May 21, 56 more utility boats were seen in the shoal, 27 of which were inside the lagoon and 29 were outside.

On Tuesday (May 22), the DFA said that 16 Chinese fishing vessels and 76 utility boats were spotted in the shoal.

"It is regrettable that these actions occurred at a time when China has been articulating for a de-escalation of tensions and while the two sides have been discussing how to defuse the situation in the area," the DFA said in a statement released to the local media.

It said that the Philippine government "protests these actions of China as clear violations of Philippine sovereignty and jurisdiction over the Shoal and sovereign rights over the Philippine Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) that covers the waters around Bajo de Masinloc."

The DFA added that China's actions also violate the ASEAN-China Declaration of Conduct on the South China Sea.

"The recent actions of China are also in violation of the United Nations Charter, specifically Article 2.4, which provides the following: 'All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations,'" it added.

The DFA fears that the continuous entry of Chinese vessels in the Philippine-claimed shoal will continue to escalate the tension. It said that it has sent a Note Verbale to the Chinese government through its embassy in Manila on Monday.

"The increase in the number of China’s vessels in the area imperils the marine biodiversity in the shoal and threatens the marine ecosystem in the whole West Philippine Sea. The Philippines has documented the many instances where Chinese fishermen have unlawfully dredged the area and illegally harvested giant clams and corals," the DFA said.

Last month Philippine Navy personnel attempted to apprehend crewmembers of Chinese fishing vessels caught illegally fishing in the shoal. Navy personnel found where several endangered and protected marine species in the Chinese fishing vessels.

As the Navy personnel were approaching to apprehend the Chinese crewmen, two Chinese government vessels came into the picture and prevented the apprehension.

The Philippines has deployed vessels from the Philippine Coast Guard and Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources to monitor the movement of Chinese vessels in the area.

The DFA has demanded the immediate pulling out of the Chinese vessels from the shoal and "for China to refrain from taking further actions that exacerbate the situation in the West Philippine Sea."

Amid the tension, the Philippine government said discussions to calm down the situation at the shoal are continuing.

DFA: China keeps sending ships to Panatag Shoal amid talks with PHL officials
GMA News
May 23, 2012 12:50pm

Dear DFA,

pakisampal nga to sa mga pesting Senator at Tongressman!

^^ They really need to file at the ITLOS ASAP or else, we'll see 1,000 ships :lol:

or we turn into "Peoples republic of the philippines" :crazy:

^^ Philippine Islands S.A.R. , People's Republic of Greater China :lol:

Yung mga middle class, magbalot balot na para mga squatter matira sa mga Chicom :lol:

EDITORIAL - Bankrupt
(http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=809813&publicationSubCategoryId=64)
The worst thing that can happen to an insurgency is to have a reformist government in place. There is greater reluctance among the people to “donate” to the insurgents’ cause, and their fund raising is always shown up to be nothing more than extortion.

In recent years the New People’s Army, the military arm of the Communist Party of the Philippines-National Democratic Front, has taken to raiding mining operations that refuse to pay “revolutionary taxes.” The CPP-NDF and NPA claim the attacks are meant to protect the environment.

But what could be the excuse for attacking the construction site for the Southern Luzon International Airport, and destroying P100 million worth of heavy equipment? NPA militants swooped down in three waves on the SLIA site last Friday night and torched the heavy machinery, setting back the completion of the airport in Daraga, Albay.

The province and neighboring areas in the Bicol Region are starting to boom from eco-tourism, driven by the regular visits of whale sharks and dolphins in the Albay Gulf on top of the traditional tourist lures such as Mayon Volcano and geothermal springs.

The airport will further boost travel and tourism in Bicol, with local officials expecting an additional 500,000 to 650,000 visitors annually in Albay alone. Tourism is one of the best ways to ease poverty particularly in the countryside, while at the same time protecting the environment. The only ones who would want to prevent the construction of an airport are those who thrive in people’s poverty and underdevelopment, and who need to preserve the inaccessibility of their lairs.

The NPA attack once again illustrates the bankruptcy of a group that has been reduced to banditry. Its leaders are on welfare in what is arguably the most liberal society in the world, and have shown no indication that they want to give up the good life to lead their insurgency in their own land. The NPA attack should make the government review its policy toward this group, whose ideology has been discredited, and which is groping for a legitimate cause.

told ya. arrogance is inherent in chinese blood. all this talk that their government is the one to blame is crap. a few more weeks when those boat leave a "shelter" for their fishermen has been built.

beijing is not serious in these so-called "talks" when you are truly ready to discuss settling this issue, you know that at some point you would have to give up something. they said it themselves, "not an inch of our territory" it's not a matter whether these creatures will flex their muscle or not, it's only a matter of time.

enlighten us anyone. these so-called chinoys we have yet to hear from them their official stand on the issue. so much silence. after escaping hard lives in china way back when they found themselves in this democratic country. made a living and enjoying comfortable life and yet they cant even dare make a statement regarding this bullying of beijing.

might as well expel them all back to china. it maybe true na they are important contributors to our economy pero hindi puwedeng ganyan. ang lagay ba pag inaabuso ng boss mo ung anak mo mananahimik ka na lang kasi employer mo un at un bumubuhay sa iyo? yang si teresita ang-see puro presscon pero ngayon tahimik kala mo pipi.

they owe it to us to make their stand known to all. this country and all its citizen provided them the venue that enabled them to reach where they are right now. kung totoong mga pilipino yang mga yan, their stand should have been known by now. this country gave them what communist china didnt--freedom from poverty, freedom to express themselves without fear. that freedom alone is worth so much more their billions it is beyond compare. if they value their money so much, they might as well get a one way plane ticket. filipinos should have been expressing their growing anti-chinese sentiment by now.

^^ Question where their loyalty lies that is. I have been asking my Chinese-Filipino classmates that question and they think I sound weird. LOL. :lol:

^^ Question where their loyalty lies that is. I have been asking my Chinese-Filipino classmates that question and they think I sound weird. LOL. :lol:

Not weird but that makes them very uncomfortable. I put a Chinoy best-friend on the spot... it was very awkward for her.

Huwag naman tayo like dat, companyeros. Remember even Emilio Aguinaldo and Jose Rizal had Chinese blood, too. :D :D :D

Besides, madali rin akong ma-tuturn-on pag mga stunning Filo-Chin cuties :cheers2:

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Malapit na ata election sa china kaya nagpapa pogi points na sila....dahil napahiya sila ng todo todo ng isang 'ant' country. Na-hurt ata ang ego nila dahil sa atin...:crazy:

akala siguro nila we are like Tibet or some other territory na walang kalaban laban. Well we might be weak militarily but our voice is much more louder than most countries.

Off-topic:

Binalita kanina ng 24 oras ng GMA 7 about yun 100 chinese warships sa scarborough. Hay salamat, kahit maikli lang yun news, atleast pinansin sya ng GMA.

Sabi ko nga ba puro salita lang mga Ching chang. Sana bigla bumagyo dyan at lumunod.

Off-topic:

Binalita kanina ng 24 oras ng GMA 7 about yun 100 chinese warships sa scarborough. Hay salamat, kahit maikli lang yun news, atleast pinansin sya ng GMA.

Warships??..

Some soldiers and policemen still use the M-1.

the last time i saw m-1 in used was by a CHDF militia,..malakas ang muzzle velocity nito, long range, magandang pang snipe,..tepong dka bubuhayin pag tinamaan ka sa katawan, tungkab ang exit niya,..i remember when i was still in elementary, the policemen used to display dead rebels at the municipal plaza for identification, and boy, what a wound inflicted by this rifle!:ohno:

The US caused their own defeat. In reality, it was more like a armistice/stalemate between the Vietnam and US.
Vietnam was never really a foe of the US, anyway. It was just the VC/Communist forces that wanted to take over from the previous Democratic Government of South Vietnam.

the US won the battle but lost the war,..

Warships??..

There are only fishing boats some of the life boats using as a dummy reinforcement.

It was just the VC/Communist forces that wanted to take over from the previous Democratic Government of South Vietnam.

Erm South Vietnam was never truelly democratic it had a succession of dictators, after the Indochina war and the infamous battle of Dien Bien Phu with the French union the Indochina colony was dissolved in an agreement to end the war and one of the points for the agreement was for a temporary division of north and south Vietnam where former loyalist union forces and other refugees went south but for which a national election or referendum to unite the country was supposed to be held in both north and south Vietnam by 1956, Ho Chi Minh was expected to win the elections through democratic means but the Americans and their southern allies did not liked the prospect of a communist Vietnam which was when they had the elections annuled this eventually led to the Vietnam war ... .

You might not like communism or Ho chi minh etc but we can't accept altered versions of history southern Vietnam was never truelly democratic and never had full legitimacy as unfortunate as this might have been, it was a state sustained only through America's political will and just as soon as that will was withdrawn it collapsed .

Watch out for this guy:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?u=966362

Traidor.

When you have global production for conventional sources of oil not meeting demand for the past five years, then expect more signs of conflict among countries over resources. When you have countries like the U.S. masking increasing debt (including foreign debt needed to pay for its war costs and passed on to sheeple) or internal political strife within China coupled with increasing demand from the populace for more consumer spending, then also expect multiple contradictions as military works struggle over fighting with each other or carving up weaker countries over resources.

The DFA should do better in getting international attention and they should file the case at the ITLOS regardless of Chinese rhetoric.

Erm South Vietnam was never truelly democratic it had a succession of dictators, after the Indochina war and the infamous battle of Dien Bien Phu with the French union the Indochina colony was dissolved in an agreement to end the war and one of the points for the agreement was for a temporary division of north and south Vietnam where former loyalist union forces and other refugees went south but for which a national election or referendum to unite the country was supposed to be held in both north and south Vietnam by 1956, Ho Chi Minh was expected to win the elections through democratic means but the Americans and their southern allies did not liked the prospect of a communist Vietnam which was when they had the elections annuled this eventually led to the Vietnam war ... .

You might not like communism or Ho chi minh etc but we can't accept altered versions of history southern Vietnam was never truelly democratic and never had full legitimacy as unfortunate as this might have been, it was a state sustained only through America's political will and just as soon as that will was withdrawn it collapsed .

Uh your explanation just futher proves that yeah, it was as democratic as can be. Even Cam Ramn Bay was used by the US Navy for small ops before the war. So it was like South Korea, a US ally until VC interefered and split loyalties.
Yeah. I don't like communists or any subtle hints of support or propaganda for them. You may like Communism but I don't and so a lot of Pinoys don't as well. This country is full of it. No apologism for me, sorry.

It has reached international news...

The Philippines has claimed that China has deployed almost 100 vessels in a disputed area of the South China Sea, raising fresh concerns about tensions in the region.

China denies it has increased its presence in the waters around the Scarborough shoal. The countries are in talks to defuse the two-month standoff.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/23/philippines-china-ships-scarborough-shoal?newsfeed=true

The Philippines says more Chinese ships are at the disputed Scarborough Shoal area, despite ongoing talks on the row.

A statement from the Foreign Ministry said the vessels included five government ships as well as dozens of fishing and utility boats.

The Philippines currently has two vessels there.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18171009

MANILA(AFP) - China has deployed more government ships and fishing boats to a disputed shoal in the South China Sea amid a tense stand-off with Manila, the Philippine foreign department said Wednesday.


As of Monday night, there were five Chinese government vessels and 16 fishing boats in the area, along with 56 dinghies used by the fishermen to collect fish in shallow waters, Hernandez said.


http://www.thecambodiaherald.com/world/detail/2?page=16&token=YjRiMGUxNGJkM2QxZmE3MTM3NTQyNjc0MmE1ODJl

More links:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/23/philippines-accuses-china-anew-flaring-tensions/
http://www.startribune.com/world/152910555.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/philippines-accuses-china-anew-of-flaring-tensions-adding-more-ships-in-contested-shoal/2012/05/23/gIQAJJtijU_story.html

It appears to me that what China is trying to do is push us to the edge so we would fire the first shot, therefore, pointing us as aggressors and making the MDT unexecutable...

But sorry to the Chinese, we are aware of our military limitations, so we're not gonna take the cheese in the mousetrap. Tom isn't more intelligent that Jerry :lol:

http://i2.listal.com/image/286566/936full-tom-and-jerry.jpg

We need another round of protests here.

Bakit takot sila sa mga arms stripped at second hand na kinukuha natin? As if naman missle na ang binibili natin? :lol: Chinese sensationalism.

China blasts Philippines' weapons purchase (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/-depth/05/23/12/china-blasts-philippines-weapons-purchase)


MANILA, Philippines - China warned the Philippines on Wednesday that the 2 countries' territorial dispute over Scarborough shoal will get worse because of Manila's decision to buy weapons abroad.

China's Foreign Ministry, in a press statement published by state-owned China.org.cn, lashed out at the Philippines' impending acquisition of a second Hamilton class cutter from the United States, as well as President Benigno Aquino's plans to buy fighter jets for the the Philippine Air Force.

Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs Secretary earlier said Manila will buy 12 patrol ships from Japan, aircraft from South Korea, as well as search and rescue ships from Australia.

China quoted Del Rosario as saying that the Philippines is getting the help of other countries to build a "minimum credible defense posture."

"The Philippine decision to draw a third party into the incident in any way will further escalate the situation and even change the nature of the issue," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said.

Beijing also quoted an official of China Institute of International Studies as saying that while the Philippines can buy weapons to improve its armed forces, it can't be compared to China's military.

"And with the Philippine economy performing worse since Aquino became president, the country will face rising financial dangers if it spends too much on its military, Qu said," according to China's Foreign Ministry.

'Philippines no match to China'

It said Major General Xu Yan, an official of the People's Liberation Army's (PLA) National Defense University, sees the Philippines as no match to China even if Manila buys new weapons and equipment.

"Once (the Philippines) dares escalate the movements of maritime police into military operations, it will suffer a great calamity from China's strike in response to their attack," Xu said.

Xu added that China now has "a large batch" of large and advanced ships that can be immediately deployed to Scarborough shoal.
Current strength of China's People's Liberation Army Navy (US Department of Defense graphic)

According to the US Department of Defense's latest report on China's military forces, Beijing has 203 destroyers, frigates, amphibious transport, landing ships, diesel and nuclear attack submarines, and coastal patrol vessels deployed in the South and East China seas alone.

"The PLA Navy has the largest force of principal combatants, submarines, and amphibious warfare ships in Asia," the Pentagon report said.

China also has around 2,120 operational combat aircraft consisting of air defense and multi-role fighters, ground attack aircraft, fighter-bombers, and bombers.

It also has an undetermined number of ballistic and cruise missiles at its disposal.

Japan-Philippines alliance

A separate commentary published by China.org.cn, meanwhile, criticized Japan over its proposed patrol ships deal with the Philippines.

"At a summit held last September, the leaders of Japan and the Philippines agreed that Japan would aid the Philippines in terms of strengthening its garrison force in the South China Sea and training the Philippine Coast Guard. In addition, both sides will share intelligence regarding matters in the South China Sea. It is therefore clear that Japan is establishing a platform of full engagement in the region," said the commentary written by Chen Guangwen.

"As Japan is already engaged in a dispute with China over the sovereignty of Diaoyu Island, aiding the Philippines in its territorial disputes with China in this way could dramatically escalate tensions in the region," Chen added.

"It is not hard to understand Japan's intentions. As a country outside the region, Japan's active engagement has two main purposes. One is to distract China's attention from Diaoyu Island and the East China Sea. Japan wants to use the disputes between China and other South East Asian countries as bargaining chips in its negotiations with China on the issue of Diaoyu Island. The second purpose is to protect its interests relating to its freedom of navigation and resource development in the South China Sea," Chen said.

"Both Japan and the Philippines are concerned about China's peaceful rise, despite its good intentions based on the policy of 'building an amicable, tranquil and prosperous neighborhood. The Philippines has already benefited from China's rise and concomitant bilateral trade. Even in the Huangyan Island dispute, China did not react with force to Philippine stubbornness. By contrast, the recent warming of relations between Japan and the Philippines is clearly based on the intention to counter China's growing regional influence," he said.

China still sending ships to Scarborough

The DFA on Wednesday said contrary to China's claims that it is easing the tension on Scarborough, the Philippine Coast Guard has monitored an increasing number Chinese government vessels and fishing vessels in the area.

"At around 1900H of May 21, 2012, there were five Chinese Government vessels (CMS-71, CMS-84, FLEC-301, FLEC-303 and FLEC-310), and 16 Chinese fishing boats, ten of which were inside the lagoon while six were outside. In addition, there were 56 utility boats, 27 of which were inside the lagoon and 29 were outside," the DFA said in a press statement.

It added that at least 16 Chinese fishing vessels and 76 utility boats were in the area on Tuesday.

"It is regrettable that these actions occurred at a time when China has been articulating for a deescalation of tensions and while the two sides have been discussing how to defuse the situation in the area," the DFA said.

"The Philippines protests these actions of China as clear violations of Philippine sovereignty and jurisdiction over the Shoal and sovereign rights over the Philippine Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) that covers the waters around Bajo de Masinloc," it added.

The DFA said China's actions violate the ASEAN-China Declaration of Conduct on the South China Sea.

"The recent actions of China are also in violation of the United Nations Charter, specifically Article 2.4, which provides the following: All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations," it added.

The DFA said it sent a note verbale to the Chinese embassy in Manila over China's actions.

"The Philippines demands that China’s vessels immediately pull out from Bajo de Masinloc and the Philippines’ EEZ and for China to refrain from taking further actions that exacerbate the situation in the West Philippine Sea," it added. "Discussions to defuse the tensions in Bajo de Masinloc are continuing cognizant of our mandate under the Philippine Constitution to defend our sovereignty and territorial integrity."

ANG TAONG NAGIGIPIT KAY PAPA SUGAR KUMAKAPIT :lol: :lol:

Sorry Chicom, we are doing it for assurance. Philippines will never be a Chinese vassal state. :lol:

Butt hurt much? Can't take on a weak country? :lol:

Kung totoong 100 vessels na yun sa china, hanggang kamatayan na talaga ang laban nila dyan. Ginagamitan tayo ng number games at hinihintay nila na matakot tayo sa dami nila doon. Pero ang ndi alam ng china, mas sinasabi lng nila sa buong mundo na nambubully sila sa pilipinas...

What is this?

CHINA has a secret: It owes American investors hundreds of billions of dollars. (http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/global-eye/27336-chinas-secret-it-owes-americans-nearly-1-trillion)



The Chinese government doesn’t like to talk about it and the US government doesn’t want to raise it. But decades ago, Beijing defaulted on debt owed to Americans, as well as investors and governments around the world. In one case, it was paid. In the rest it was not. More than 20,000 American investors own this debt. The US government may also own Chinese war debt, unpaid since World War II.

With the simple stroke of an executive proclamation, President Barack Obama can begin the process of addressing this issue. A 1930s-era law has established a quasi-public agency within the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), known as the Corporation of Foreign Securities Holders, which can arbitrate this dispute, much as a predecessor agency did for decades. China can both afford and benefit from this solution; it will afford goodwill at a time when relations between the world’s two superpowers are strained.

The story begins nearly 100 years ago, in 1913, when the government of China began issuing bonds to foreign investors and governments for infrastructure work to modernize the country. As the country fell into civil war in 1927, paying these debts became increasingly difficult and the government fell into default. Even so, in April 1938, the Nationalist government of China began to issue US-dollar denominated bonds to finance the war against Japan’s brutal invasion.

Locked in a pitched battle for survival, the government issued these bonds into 1940. As part of its wartime financial aid, the US government further provided a $500-million credit to China in March 1942, shipping gold there and helping to stabilize the currency. In return, it appears that the US government redeemed some of these dollar-denominated bonds. But China doesn’t appear to have repaid this debt either, according to State Department records, and the declaration of the People’s Republic of China in 1949 ended decades of political, military and financial cooperation.

While successor governments are usually bound by the debts of predecessor governments, the new Communist government refused to pay any of these claims. The issue lay dormant for decades, just as the bilateral relationship did. Then, in 1979, as part of normalizing relations, Washington released government financial claims regarding the expropriation of American property and appears to have dropped the matter of the war debt entirely. However, it is one thing for government decision-makers to let go of government debt, however questionable that is.

And it is entirely another thing for individual citizens to press their claims. Some US investors tried to sue the Chinese government in the 1980s and 1990s. However, the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act makes it very hard for any US citizen to sue a foreign government in US courts because the law generally says that US courts do not have jurisdiction.

The law usually only allows the jurisdiction of US courts if a foreign government waives its immunity, commits a tort or seizes property. Recent additional exceptions have been added for terrorism. China lost an initial summary judgment for failing to appear in court but, with the urging of the US State Department, later appeared in court and successfully argued that US courts did not have jurisdiction.

Today the Chinese bonds held by US investors may be worth as much as $750 billion, according to Jonna Bianco, president of the American Bondholders Foundation, who estimates the value of bonds held by investors worldwide may be $10 billion, including interest and penalties for default.

Over the years, congressional interest has been piqued. The late Rep. Henry Hyde convened hearings in 2003 and advocated that the bondholders press their case. In March Republican Rep. Ken Calvert and Sen. James Inhofe of Oklahoma, along with eight other members of Congress, asked the Government Accountability Office to look into the matter. In April Rep. Gary Miller inquired with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.

In general, governments do inherit the debt of their predecessors just as they inherit the assets of the nation. Governments have defaulted on debts since at least the 4th century B.C., when 10 of 13 Greek cities could not pay their bills; ironic, yes. And there is a long history of settlements, too. In the last 200 years, more than 70 governments, from Austria to Vietnam, have defaulted and eventually settled for far lesser amounts, allowing them to borrow once more, according to an MIT study, which adds: “The great majority of defaults in the 19th and 20th centuries eventually led to some form of settlement between creditors and the debtor country.”

Examples abound. An international arbitration panel found that post-revolutionary Iran needed to pay the United States for military aid in 1948. Post-apartheid South Africa has not repudiated debt incurred under the previous regime. In 2006 Great Britain paid the final installment on a World War II-era loan from the United States and Canada, and even sent a thank-you note. Russia has paid debt incurred under the czars. One exception argued by governments is that in some cases a previous regime’s debt is “odious.” That is, the debt was incurred to enrich the regime or oppress the people.

Neither seems the case in China, which may be why it has never submitted to international adjudication. China, for its part, has not exactly disavowed the debt; it simply has selectively refused to pay it. Beijing paid British investors a miserly $39 million upon the takeover of Hong Kong in 1987. France has tried to press the issue, even at the World Trade Organization. Further, in Taiwanese press accounts Chinese officials have indicated, in fact, that they might pay the United States—as part of a negotiation over the final status of Taiwan.

Technically, this calls into question China’s stellar credit ratings and those of its government-owned enterprises. But specifically, the US government has a legal obligation to its citizens. The 1933 Securities Act established both the Foreign Bondholders Protective Council, under State and Treasury, and the Corporation of Foreign Security Holders, under the SEC, to get foreign governments to address debts owed to private US investors. Housed in a Virginia suburb, the council in 47 instances settled the debts of foreign governments, including communist ones, to US citizens. In 1975 the Polish government paid US investors one-third the face value, or $8.5 million, of nine different series of bonds, all inherited from previous governments.

Indeed, President George W. Bush’s counsel directed the bondholders to the council in 2001 but the council did nothing, most likely to keep from rocking the bilateral US-China boat. Now, the council is shuttering its doors, as it has completed dozens of cases and no administration wanted to refer the Chinese case for fear of upsetting Beijing again. However, the Corporation of Foreign Security Holders is still on the books and represents the only chance for US investors to be paid.

All that has to happen is that President Obama issue a proclamation to stand up the corporation, and a staff, at the SEC. The bondholders would bring their bonds in for examination and verification of the certificates and serial numbers. Then the corporation could get about settling the issue through payment, reissue of bonds, restructuring or even settling the debt. Many of these people are not wealthy investors but just everyday citizens. Bianco herself is a Tennessee cattle farmer.

The reality is that a settlement could benefit everyone. Yes, it will be politically distasteful in Beijing. But in all likelihood, a settlement would likely be struck for a fraction of the face value of the bonds. Unlike 1949, China today has the ability to pay. It would be seen as good faith by Americans. And that, in turn, would help reassure us about China’s increasingly important place in the world. There are simply too many other questions about China’s peculiar brand of state capitalism.

And besides, this is what economic superpowers do: They fulfill their obligations.

Bakit takot sila sa mga arms stripped at second hand na kinukuha natin? As if naman missle na ang binibili natin? :lol: Chinese sensationalism.

China blasts Philippines' weapons purchase (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/-depth/05/23/12/china-blasts-philippines-weapons-purchase)




ANG TAONG NAGIGIPIT KAY PAPA SUGAR KUMAKAPIT :lol: :lol:

How dumb. Didn't a Chinese official just said that they understand we are trying to improve our defenses because our military is antique? (I'm paraphrasing from an article I remember).

Now they're changing their tone because they don't us to have credible defenses, perhaps?

What is this?

CHINA has a secret: It owes American investors hundreds of billions of dollars. (http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/global-eye/27336-chinas-secret-it-owes-americans-nearly-1-trillion)

^^In short, may utang ang china sa America na halos sin laki din ng utang ng america sa china......tapos ayaw nila bayaran..

Kaya natakot sila nung tinawag natin ang US dahil alam nila na kayang talikuran ng US ang utang nila sa China na parang bula....and at the same time, mababaon pa sila sa utang sa US.... :lol:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/Yayo01/936full-tom-and-jerry.jpg

:lol:

Watch out for this guy:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?u=966362

Traidor.

Ang daming traidor dito. Kungyari pa sila:nuts:

We are a small country bully daw oh :lol:


Nitin Pai: The small-country bullies[ (http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/nitin-pai-the-small-country-bullies/474866/)

The author seems to have omitted vital facts:

The Chinese have more ships in the area that we do
The Chinese have played the war rhetoric several times
The Chinese is playing economic game on us
The Chinese do not want to settle the issue in the proper court

How does he explain Chinese treatment of Vietnamese on territorial issues where Vietnam is fighting back but Vietnam does not have an MDT with the US. Both the Philippines and Vietnam have the same "China problem". If the Philippines is bullying China, then Vietnam too mus be bullying China :lol:

Poor China, cannot do anything about small countries bullying her */sarcasm


It's probably hard for them to swallow that a small country with a weak military is standing up to an aspiring hegemon :lol:

US, ASEAN talk security in Manila amid Scarborough standoff with China
Interaksyon | Agence France-Presse
http://www.interaksyon.com/article/32430/us-asean-talk-security-in-manila-amid-scarborough-standoff-with-china

MANILA -- The United States and Southeast Asian nations embarked on three days of talks Sunday that would include security cooperation, shortly after a Pentagon report raised concerns about China's military build-up.

The Philippines, hostsof the discussions and an Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) member, is engaged in a month-long maritime stand-off with China over a disputed shoal in the South China Sea.

"Eminent persons" and senior officials from the United States and ASEAN would meet from May 20 to 22 in Manila, US embassy and Philippine foreign department statements said.

Deepening security cooperation, climate change, and trade and investment will all be on the table over the three days of talks. They will also "review key elements of the US-ASEAN partnership," the embassy said.

The meeting will also prepare for US-ASEAN leaders' talks in November.

The poorly armed Philippines has been stressing its defense ties with close ally Washington to help bolster its position against China.

A Pentagon report on Friday said China was carrying out aggressive cyber espionage as part of a steady build-up of its military power. Beijing expressed its "firm opposition" to the findings of the annual assessment.

buti hindi maging bias ang thai, singapore, or malaysia. it seems like they have a large population of chinese

Eto ang China o... :naughty:

http://content6.flixster.com/movie/26/42/264208_det.jpg

Eto yung sulat ng mga Vietnamese :okay:

His Excellency Jerril Galban Santos,

Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Republic of The Philippines to Vietnam,

27B Tran Hung Dao, Hanoi

Your Excellency,

We have closely followed the events at Panatag Shoal (Scarborough Shoal) in the waters known as the West Philippines Sea in the Philippines and the East Sea in Vietnam. We are concerned that events, largely caused by the Chinese Government’s behavior, have escalated to a dangerous level. We wish to convey following messages to you and to the people of the Philippines:Scrborough Vietnamese intelligentsia supports the Philippines in Scarborough Shoal standoff

1. We fully support the sovereign rights of the Philippines in the Panatag Shoal area and the Philippines’s actions to defend her sovereign rights.

2. We resolutely oppose China’s attempts to use its “nine-dashed line”, which is completely without historical or legal basis, to encroach on the Exclusive Economic Zones and continental shelves of the Philippines, Vietnam and other ASEAN countries. We strongly oppose China’s illegal actions and threats of force in the Panatag Shoal dispute.

3. We support the Philippines’ proposal to submit the dispute at Panatag Shoal to the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea (ITLOS). We support the statement by the Vietnamese Foreign Ministry spokesperson on 25 April 2012 expressing hopes that “both sides will restrain themselves and settle peacefully the issue in compliance with international law, in particular the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) and the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the East Sea (DOC).”

4. We call on the governments and citizens of all ASEAN countries to take concrete actions to show solidarity with the Philippines, to assist her in the defense of her sovereign rights in the Panatag Shoal area, and to defend the sovereign rights of each and every ASEAN country as affirmed in UNCLOS.

5. We solemnly declare that China’s illegal “nine-dashed line” constitutes a threat to peaceful cooperation and sustainable development in Southeast Asia. To re-establish stability and ensure freedom of navigation in the West Philippines Sea/East Sea, we demand that China gives up its absurd maritime claims in these waters.

The just cause of the government and people of the Philippines will prevail.

Peace and Philippine sovereign rights for the Panatag Shoal area!

Yours faithfully,

Signatories:

http://www.eyedrd.org/2012/05/vietnamese-intelligentsia-supports-the-philippines-in-scarborough-shoal-standoff.html

Letter backs Philippine claim to island
(http://www.ucanews.com/2012/05/22/letter-backs-philippine-claim-to-island/)
Politicians and Church representatives were among 66 Vietnamese professionals who yesterday wrote a message of support to the Philippines embassy in Hanoi backing Manila’s claim to Scarborough Shoal, a controversial group of islands also claimed by China.

Bishop Paul Nguyen Thai Hop of the northern city of Vinh was part of the group that also included lawyers, journalists and intellectuals which backed the Philippines proposal to submit the dispute over the atoll to the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea.

“We fully support the sovereign rights of the Philippines in the Panatag Shoal [Scarborough Shoal] area and the Philippines’ actions to defend her sovereign rights,” they said in the message which was delivered yesterday to Ambassador Jerril Galban Santos.

The signatories called on all members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations to “take concrete actions to show solidarity with the Philippines” following a territorial standoff between Manila and Beijing that started in April.

Chinese fishing vessels were spotted in the area on April 8 but Chinese surveillance ships prevented the Philippine Navy from arresting the Chinese crew, one of many Manila has accused of illegal fishing.

The Philippines has in the past regularly arrested Chinese fishermen operating in the area.

“We strongly oppose China’s illegal actions and threats of force in the Panatag Shoal dispute,” the letter said.

One signatory, Professor Nguyen Hue Chi, was quoted as saying on the BBC’s Vietnamese service that the signatories “wanted to speak out on what government officials do not dare.”

Last year, the Vietnamese authorities detained people marching in protests directed at China as regional tensions have escalated over a number of disputed islands in the South China Sea, including Scarborough.

Both the Philippines and China, which refers to the shoal as Huangyan Island, have made historical claims on Scarborough dating back centuries.

We are a small country bully daw oh :lol:


Nitin Pai: The small-country bullies[ (http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/nitin-pai-the-small-country-bullies/474866/)

The author seems to have omitted vital facts:

The Chinese have more ships in the area that we do
The Chinese have played the war rhetoric several times
The Chinese is playing economic game on us
The Chinese do not want to settle the issue in the proper court

How does he explain Chinese treatment of Vietnamese on territorial issues where Vietnam is fighting back but Vietnam does not have an MDT with the US. Both the Philippines and Vietnam have the same "China problem". If the Philippines is bullying China, then Vietnam too mus be bullying China :lol:

Poor China, cannot do anything about small countries bullying her */sarcasm


It's probably hard for them to swallow that a small country with a weak military is standing up to an aspiring hegemon :lol:
PRC's claim that the Philippines has invaded China is quite laughable :lol:

I want to see on CNN or other world news Headline: Philippines invaded China! lol who in the world would believe that?

Del Rosario attends UN meeting on mediation (http://www.manilatimes.net/index.php/news/top-stories/23368-del-rosario-attends-un-meeting-on-mediation)


AS the Philippines and China remain locked in a dispute over the Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea), Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario will attend a high-level United Nations (UN) meeting on the “Role of Member States in Medition” in New York City this week.

Del Rosario will join the meeting after calling on the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean), the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Seas (Unclos), the United States and the international community in general to mediate between Manila and Beijing over the row.

China, however, has repeatedly rejected calls for multilevel negotiations on the matter and maintained that it would only agree to bilateral talks.

The Foreign Affairs chief’s participation in the meeting, to be held on May 23, will supposedly highlight “the commitment of the Philippines in the rule of law, and the role of mediation in the peaceful settlement of dispute and conflict prevention and resolution.”

“The UN considers the Philippines as one of the leading voices in mediation and it is for this reason that the Philippines was among the few countries whose Foreign Ministers were invited to speak at the high-level meeting,” the Department of Foreign Affairs said in a statement.

Manila’s “active participation and involvement in discussions on mediation” in the world body was lauded by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the Office of the President of the General Assembly, it added.

The meeting will provide a platform for an in-depth and comprehensive discussion on the role of UN member-states in the peaceful settlement of disputes and conflicts.

It hopes to identify “the challenges and deficiencies” in effectively dealing with regional and international conflicts, as well as explore any other possible means and tools that would help better address the challenges facing the global community.

The meeting comes after the Philippines and China imposed fishing bans on the shoal, seen by analysts as a way to de-escalate the standoff there.

The row began on April 10 when the Philippine warship BRP Gregorio del Pilar boarded eight Chinese fishing vessels for “illegally” poaching in the shoal, which both Manila and Beijing have claims to.

The Philippines claims the shoal because of its geographical location—it sits just 124 nautical miles off Zambales province—and it is considered to be within the country’s 200-nautical miles Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) and Continental Shelf.

China, on the other hand, has claims to the entire West Philippine Sea based on its nine-dash line that apparently places the body of water under its jurisdiction since the 1200s.

OT:

:lol:

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/608407/original.jpg

The text beside the Apple logo translates to "Exclusively Apple," in that it exclusively sells Apple products; the Android logo, meanwhile, would seem to indicate that the store next door has something exclusive for Apple, and it's not a smartphone or a MP3 player. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/16/android-sign-insults-apple_n_1521386.html?ref=technology&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000008)

LOL! :lol:

http://www.eyedrd.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Chinaman.jpg

http://www.eyedrd.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Chinaman.jpg

OT:

:lol:

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/608407/original.jpg

The text beside the Apple logo translates to "Exclusively Apple," in that it exclusively sells Apple products; the Android logo, meanwhile, would seem to indicate that the store next door has something exclusive for Apple, and it's not a smartphone or a MP3 player. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/16/android-sign-insults-apple_n_1521386.html?ref=technology&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000008)

Look at this Chicom thread. They are saying we are the liars and it shows their clear intent to supplant Papa Sugar -http://forum.pakistanidefence.com/index.php?showtopic=98722
Papa Sugar is so blind and PC sometimes.

Philippines and other countries need to wake up and realize that they are being used to intimidate china and drag Asia in to internal war again to prolong the imperialism of west. Entire Asia should stand behind China and Accept china as a leader just as Europe stand with America.

Don't expect too much from them as they would never understand that in the eyes of Americans, they are less than a paper napkin.

which is a tragedy itself that after 200 years of western slavery these asian countries have not learn anything. How blind and stupid one can be and not see the decline of American influence and now America desperately trying to use countries like Philippine and Vietnam against china. Philippine needs to first need free her own land from American occupation before asserting a claim on Chinese territory.

entire Asia needs to realize that in order to make this an Asian century they must support China's Rise which will benefit entire Asia. West does not want China rise.

:lol:

If they want us to be in their side, they should foremost kiss our ass rather than them demanding us to kiss theirs.... :lol:

Sorry, we're not getting the cheese in the mousetrap :lol:

Asian century = rise of China?

Who gives where there is Japan and South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore to fore run the Asian century? :lol:

2. Inhabitation is not a determinant of sovereignty - Look at the thousands of uninhabited Greek islands. No one disputes those islands are Greek. Hence, inhabitation is not important in determining sovereignty.


:lol:

hay nako, you cannot take any logic out of them talaga. Why compare an uninhabited island to a inhabited island :lol: and an undisputed to a disputed territory? Why compare an island to a ROCK in the sea? :lol:



The most ridiculous of all

4. ITLOS - Since the United States does not recognize UNCLOS, ITLOS has no jurisdiction or validity.

Why would the US's non ratification matter? They are not a claimant :lol:


I'll keep knocking down the baloney arguments put forth by the Filipino nationalists. Sooner or later, they'll finally admit that Huangyan Island/Scarborough Shoal has been Chinese after the first discovery by China's Yuan Dynasty in 1279 A.D.

How can it be "Chinese"? it's a freakin' rock and uninhabitable.

Slap the previous administration (Ramos Erap at Pandak). Maybe they should buy some mine laying ship.

Did you notice they complain about the "blame China" card too? I wonder why:nuts:

Did you notice they complain about the "blame China" card too? I wonder why:nuts:

They want this..:lol:

Entire Asia should stand behind China and Accept china as a leader just as Europe stand with America.

:lol: :lol:

Sorry, still not wanting the cheese in the mousetrap.

Asia is better off being "multipolar" than having China as the hegemon :lol:

I think the Chinese are butthurt that their immediate neighbors are NOT giving them the recognition they demand :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Letter backs Philippine claim to island
(http://www.ucanews.com/2012/05/22/letter-backs-philippine-claim-to-island/)

Buti pa yung ibang bansa may malasakit satin PERO YUNG MGA SENATOR, TONGRESSMAN AT MEDIA NATIN AY PARANG WALA LANG. MAS NABIGYAN PA NG AIR TIME YUNG FINAL NG AMERICAN IDOL KAYSA NANGYAYARI NGAUN SA PANATAG.

Huwag naman tayo like dat, companyeros. Remember even Emilio Aguinaldo and Jose Rizal had Chinese blood, too. :D :D :D

Besides, madali rin akong ma-tuturn-on pag mga stunning Filo-Chin cuties :cheers2:

it's not a matter of whether they have 50-50 or 30-70 or 100 partition of pinoy and chinese blood. kung pilipino tingin nila sa sarili nila they SHOULD HAVE made a stand more than a month ago. how dare them relish the very freedom we provide, the very fortunes that they made in this country and dare not speak one SINGLE word against beijing.

teresita ang-see is one hypocrite telling she sees the hand of US in manila's stand. and what about the chinoy's STAND? still silent after all this time. their silence speaks volume. sometimes it's not even relevant to ask them. the mere silence says it all.

Buti pa yung ibang bansa may malasakit satin PERO YUNG MGA SENATOR, TONGRESSMAN AT MEDIA NATIN AY PARANG WALA LANG. MAS NABIGYAN PA NG AIR TIME YUNG FINAL NG AMERICAN IDOL KAYSA NANGYAYARI NGAUN SA PANATAG.

Tama ka. Masyado talagang mababaw media natin. Samantalang ang State controlled media ng Pirate Republic of China or PROC:lol::lol::lol::bash::bash::bash: bumubula ang bibig ng mga announcers at media people nila sa sagad sa buto sa kasinungalingan kasama mga amo nila sa Communist party!:bash::bash:

At maraming bayarang Pilipino ang Pirata dito sa atin!:bash::bash:

LOL! :lol:

http://www.eyedrd.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Chinaman.jpg

http://www.eyedrd.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Chinaman.jpg

Bwiset na Pirata na Limahong na Tsina na ito!:lol::bash::bash::bash:

teresita ang-see is one hypocrite telling she sees the hand of US in manila's stand. and what about the chinoy's STAND? still silent after all this time. their silence speaks volume. sometimes it's not even relevant to ask them. the mere silence says it all.

In fairness the FCCCC is in support of our claims

I agree with you with Teresita Ang See. To think of it, she even wrote a paper called "The China factor" where she derided the mainlanders :lol:

Mind your own business retarded Pirates scum dont lecture us what to do this is a democratic country.

The Philippines should re-organize a new a stronger ASEAN, focusing more on military alliance with Vietnam and the Philippines as core members. We need to reciprocate Vietnam's support on our claim in Scarborough by including in the protest the Vietnamese claim at the Paracel. Let's put continuous pressure on the pirates in both the legal battles, economic and military alliances of the new ASEAN,..

Suspend the election for the next year that will make the budget speed up for the upgrades.

Suspend the election for the next year that will make the budget speed up for the upgrades.

Suspend elections until the Scarborough issue is resolved :lol::lol:

Sana bagyuhin mga instik duon :lol:

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/259186/news/nation/pagasa-approaching-cyclone-likely-to-graze-extreme-north-luzon

:lol: Still using the same map.

LONDON - Some 65 Chinese students protested in front of the Philippine Embassy in London on Monday morning. The students began to congregate along Suffolk St. as early as 9 a.m., and staged a rally that started at 11 a.m. and lasted for 3 hours. (http://66.29.208.5/global-filipino/05/15/12/chinese-students-protest-ph-embassy-london)

The students refused to be identified with any political faction. They said they are a group of Chinese students studying in a number of universities in the UK and were there to defend and claim the Huangyan Island (Scarborough Shoal) which they asserted is part of the Chinese territory.

"We just want to tell the Philippines, why the island belongs to China. We have a lot of fishermen caught by the Philippines. Philippines sent warship to the area, but we didn’t. That’s why we are angry. We need we need to tell the truth," said Lee Li, the group’s appointed spokesperson.

[B]Carrying placards with statements such as "Respect the truth, shut up, get out, stop lying, it’s never yours, out of Chinese territory," the Chinese students also chanted "hands off our Huangyan Island," "Huangyan Island is part of China" and also sang nationalistic songs.,,

The Philippines should re-organize a new a stronger ASEAN, focusing more on military alliance with Vietnam and the Philippines as core members. We need to reciprocate Vietnam's support on our claim in Scarborough by including in the protest the Vietnamese claim at the Paracel. Let's put continuous pressure on the pirates in both the legal battles, economic and military alliances of the new ASEAN,..

ASEAN isnt even comparable with NATO maybe because europe went through 2 world wars. pero even if asean just went through one world war, the lessons from europe should have made them smarter.

what we should do instead is put our CLOSER alllies in asean nearer than those who dont even stand up with us. i think malaysia's silence on the issue says it all. itatak natin to sa mga isip natin when one day benham rise is ready to provide us the bounty that is there, we'll see to it only those real friends will benefit. we must forgive, but never forget.

one friend's joke--it seems to me that wherever the muslims go oil follows them. clue: search the whole of Mindanao for oil :)

In battle?

Yes. I think some of our boys down South are still using the M-1 against the MILF and Abu Sayyaf.

Watch out for this guy:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?u=966362

Traidor.

Sino yan? Kakajoin lang sa SSC

Bakit takot sila sa mga arms stripped at second hand na kinukuha natin? As if naman missle na ang binibili natin? :lol: Chinese sensationalism.

China blasts Philippines' weapons purchase (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/-depth/05/23/12/china-blasts-philippines-weapons-purchase)

Patawa to...eh sila nga gagawa ng 2 bagong aircraft carrier e.

O baka galit dahil hindi tayo bumili sa kanila ng armas :lol:

OT:

:lol:

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/608407/original.jpg

The text beside the Apple logo translates to "Exclusively Apple," in that it exclusively sells Apple products; the Android logo, meanwhile, would seem to indicate that the store next door has something exclusive for Apple, and it's not a smartphone or a MP3 player. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/16/android-sign-insults-apple_n_1521386.html?ref=technology&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000008)

San ka pa, kahit Apple Store peke pa din :lol:

Chinese American Demonstrators Protested Against Philippine On Huangyan Island Issue Outside Of The Philippines Embassy In Washington
http://s13.postimage.org/dyfaq05hz/chinese1.jpg (http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/world-armed-forces/south-china-sea-news-views-opinions-40-5946.html)
http://s16.postimage.org/jl7xp3gxx/chinese2.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

Sino daw ang pinaka-paborito ni Papa Sugar?:lol::lol::lol:

:lol: Still using the same map.

Carrying placards with statements such as "Respect the truth, shut up, get out, stop lying, it’s never yours, out of Chinese territory," the Chinese students also chanted "hands off our Huangyan Island," "Huangyan Island is part of China" and also sang nationalistic songs.,,


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Gaya gaya puto maya na pakanta kanta pa?

Ano bang ginagawa dinadaig tayo sa singing? :lol:

Just notice the Philippine flag on the left :lol:

^^ bakit merong badila ni Papa S?

grabe ung brainwash na ginawa sa kanila. natatawa ako. thats what you get from censored media. lol na lol talaga. a small impoverish country like philippines it seems to them we are buying missiles to confront them. those chinese are retarded. reality for this chinese is truly a state of mind. hahaha.

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Sino daw ang pinaka-paborito ni Papa Sugar?:lol::lol::lol:

I thought they hate Papa Sugar? Don't they want to dislodge Papa off his throne?


Pakunwari pa talaga. Papa has an MDT with us, not you :lol:

Sana bagyuhin mga instik duon :lol:

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/259186/news/nation/pagasa-approaching-cyclone-likely-to-graze-extreme-north-luzon

LUBOG SILA LAHAT.

ano kumanta pa daw ung mga chinese. punieta kung kantahan lang naman pala i-"deploy" na natin si jessica sanchez para kabugin yang mga yan :)

grabe ung brainwash na ginawa sa kanila. natatawa ako. thats what you get from censored media. lol na lol talaga. a small impoverish country like philippines it seems to them we are buying missiles to confront them. those chinese are retarded. reality for this chinese is truly a state of mind. hahaha.

They merely are parroting what the CCP says, they do not analyze an inch

Tama bang sabihin na hindi effective ang UNCLOS sa dispute dahil hindi niratify na Papa? As if naman claimant si Papa

ano kumanta pa daw ung mga chinese. punieta kung kantahan lang naman pala i-"deploy" na natin si jessica sanchez para kabugin yang mga yan :)

Mga pinakamagaling sa China

vs

Charice, Arnel Pineda, Jessica Sanchez, Regine, Leah Salonga


Idaan sa singing contest kaya ang Skarburo? :lol:

USS Jessica Sanchez
USS Charice Pempengco
USS Lea Salonga
USS Arnel Pineda

hmm.... not bad ung next ships natin i pangalan sa kanila lol

^^ Puede :lol:

pero dapat BRP hindi USS :lol:

teresita ang-see is one hypocrite telling she sees the hand of US in manila's stand. and what about the chinoy's STAND? still silent after all this time. their silence speaks volume. sometimes it's not even relevant to ask them. the mere silence says it all.


Teresita Ang See is another f*ck*d up brainwashed bitch in head. She should go back to China the land of satanism 666.

Ano ba natulomng na kaka dakdak nya sa halip tlungan nga local commununity nila i educate mga tao tungkol sa claim natin sa scarborough. :bash::ohno:

You may like Communism but I don't and so a lot of Pinoys don't as well. This country is full of it. No apologism for me, sorry.

I don't know what you are talking about here, my post was made to point out the historical fact that south Vietnam was not democratic nor did it have alot of legitimacy due to it's rulers rogue actions disregarding the planned national democratic elections agreed upon in the Geneva conventions that ended the conflict, for most of the war it was ruled by a succession of corrupt military junta's and strongmen to whom Marcos would pale in comparison .

I never said that i supported the north's regime my post purpose is to state historical fact to promote knowledge, many Filipino's already have a rather poor grasp of global history as it is .

I thought they hate Papa Sugar? Don't they want to dislodge Papa off his throne?


Pakunwari pa talaga. Papa has an MDT with us, not you :lol:

Chinese and Russia are liars, two-headed ones. To the international community (UN), they say they prefer a multi-polar world which would be good for relations. But on one hand, they dream of being the unipolar power (China):nuts::lol::lol:

I think Russia is secretly grooming China.

LUBOG SILA LAHAT.

lets ask professor X to assign Storm in Philippines.

I don't know what you are talking about here my post was simply to point out the historical fact that south Vietnam was not democratic nor did it have alot of legitimacy due to it's rulers rogue actions disregarding the planned national democratic elections agreed in the Geneva conventions that ended the conflict, for most of the war it was ruled by a succession of military junta's and strongmen to whom Marcos would pale in comparison .

I never said that i supported the north's regime my post purpose is to state historical fact as many Filipino's already have a rather poor grasp of it .

Yep. Arvor, the Communists raided Diem's nascent regime/presidency by plundering, torture, executions, coups and guerilla wars. He was also brutally murdered. The Communists took advantage of the allegations of corruption to weaken and take down the South regime. Sounds like a certain CPP-NPA I know at that time and until now.

They got lucky as the war dragged on and US got cold feet, politically and strategically.

You never said it but I noticed you swig others here like me for not liking Communism . Seems like you are parroting Communist apologism. Don't hide it from me. You may have friends who are in it. You are entitled to choose your own political idealogy but I don't buy it. So just don't parrot it in front of me and we're cool ok?

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Sino daw ang pinaka-paborito ni Papa Sugar?:lol::lol::lol:

aba madami rin pala brainwashed at ignoranting chekwa sa labas ng Chicomland.

Chinese and Russia are liars, two-headed ones. To the international community (UN), they say they prefer a multi-polar world which would be good for relations. But on one hand, they dream of being the unipolar power (China):nuts::lol::lol:

I think Russia is secretly grooming China.

I read an article about China-Russia relations and Russia secretly hate China despite being her client state :lol::lol::lol:

Suspend the election for the next year that will make the budget speed up for the upgrades.

The money for election is better spent on improving our defense capabilities that Chicoms are complaining. :lol:

^^ Puede :lol:

pero dapat BRP hindi USS :lol:

Ibalik na lang natin ang RPS. Republic of the Philippines Ship:lol::lol:

I read an article about China-Russia relations and Russia secretly hate China despite being her client state :lol::lol::lol:

Maybe we can send an envoy to Moscow and ask them if they also want a piece of our sweet oil down there. :lol:

You never said it. But you are parroting Communist apologism. Don't hide it from me. You may have friends who are in it. You are entitled to choose your own political idealogy but I don't buy it. So just don't parrot it in front of me and we're cool ok?

Historical fact does not equate to "communist apologism" this is about understanding history as it is, my approach to history is neutral and void of any particular "ideology", so far you are the only one guilty of peddling history from a skewed point of view going by your responses .

It is a historical and neutral fact to state that South Vietnam broke the Geneva accords thus losing legitimacy, and it is a historical fact that South Vietnam was not democratic, to say otherwise would be an attempt to insult peoples intelligence .

I shall always point out bs when i see it and those who read this forum can then decide for themselves, the onus is on you to be honest and accurate when making such statements .

Buti pa yung ibang bansa may malasakit satin PERO YUNG MGA SENATOR, TONGRESSMAN AT MEDIA NATIN AY PARANG WALA LANG. MAS NABIGYAN PA NG AIR TIME YUNG FINAL NG AMERICAN IDOL KAYSA NANGYAYARI NGAUN SA PANATAG.

I'm sick of this coronavela b/s and let the senate and congress handle the issue without the media paying too much attention on them - they all don the same clothes anyway.

And tama na ang papogi sa June 12, just file the damn ITLOS right away or else there is no election to look forward to. I really hope they see the BIG PICTURE here. :bash::bash:

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Sino daw ang pinaka-paborito ni Papa Sugar?:lol::lol::lol:

Wa epek - sila pa rin ang nagmumukhang bully. :lol::lol:

'Philippines no match to China'

It said Major General Xu Yan, an official of the People's Liberation Army's (PLA) National Defense University, sees the Philippines as no match to China even if Manila buys new weapons and equipment.

"Once (the Philippines) dares escalate the movements of maritime police into military operations, it will suffer a great calamity from China's strike in response to their attack," Xu said.

Xu added that China now has "a large batch" of large and advanced ships that can be immediately deployed to Scarborough shoal.
Current strength of China's People's Liberation Army Navy (US Department of Defense graphic)

According to the US Department of Defense's latest report on China's military forces, Beijing has 203 destroyers, frigates, amphibious transport, landing ships, diesel and nuclear attack submarines, and coastal patrol vessels deployed in the South and East China seas alone.

"The PLA Navy has the largest force of principal combatants, submarines, and amphibious warfare ships in Asia," the Pentagon report said.

China also has around 2,120 operational combat aircraft consisting of air defense and multi-role fighters, ground attack aircraft, fighter-bombers, and bombers.

It also has an undetermined number of ballistic and cruise missiles at its disposal.

Japan-Philippines alliance

A separate commentary published by China.org.cn, meanwhile, criticized Japan over its proposed patrol ships deal with the Philippines.

After acquiring the 2nd and possibly 3rd Hamilton clas the focus must be on acquiring smaller covette sized ships and anti ship missiles or at the very least anti tank missiles, Taiwan has recently begun a new program to build 14 attack corvettes armed with anti ship missiles, this could be a good opportunity for the Phillippines to get some new corvettes at a discount im sure Taiwan would react positively where such an order to be placed as the greater the production run the lower the unit costs would be .

Attack crafts equipped with torpedoes would also still be quite effective as even a single modern torpedo can sink a frigate or aircraft carrier ... .

Historical fact does not equate to "communist apologism" this is about understanding history as it is my approach to history is neutral and void of any particular "ideology", so far you are the only one guilty of peddling history from a skewed point of view .

It is a historical and neutral fact to state that South Vietnam broke the Geneva accords thus losing legitimacy, and it is a historical fact that South Vietnam was not democratic, to say otherwise would be an attempt to insult peoples intelligence .

I shall always point out bs when i see it and those who read this forum can then decide for themselves, the onus is on you to be honest when making such statements .

Uhm, I'm sure you know the meaning of nascent by the way? It was known as the Republic of Vietnam not Socialtist or People's Republic. There were two sides who wanted legitimacy as a Democratic republic (one Democratic kuno and it isn't South)... But this is not a historical thread.
Don't use historical facts to suit your communist apologism. You flat out swig at others for not liking Communism. Then spout historical crap to make excuses for Communism. What else is there to say? That is being an apologist.
You wouldn't be talking this way if the Philippines had ended up like Vietnam or Korea. But I guess all the atrocities the Communists committed to pull out the rug is all good as long as the outcome works for them, no?

And they were supposed to be better than "Western Imperialist dogs" I think you should be the honest one and educate us exactly what Communism is. Aren't you supposed to be knowledgeable about that? I remember your other posts on it.

Thank you China for stating the truth (at least once :lol:) that we are no match against you - but do not underestimate the Filipinos resolve to beat you in your own game. Right now, China is pissed because Philippines is very 'slippery' and that the other US allies are willing to extend their assistance without the fear of Chicom retaliation. :lol:

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Mabuti pa ang mga Intsik, mahal nila ang kanilang Bayang Tinubuan, kaysa sa mga ibang Pilipino na hindi man lamang sumama sa Rally
noong May 11th sa Makati and Cebu.

Marami din ang taksil sa bayan katulad ni GMA, de Venecia, Miriam, etc na siyang nagbenta ng interest ng Pilipinas sa China with regards to Joint Marine Seismic na ginawa ng China sa Spratly and to Philippine waters off Palawan noong 2008, sila rin ang gumawa ng problema sa Scarborough Shoal dahil hiniwalay nila sa New Philippine Baseline ang Scarborough.


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Sino daw ang pinaka-paborito ni Papa Sugar?:lol::lol::lol:

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Mabuti pa ang mga Intsik, mahal nila ang kanilang Bayang Tinubuan, kaysa sa mga ibang Pilipino na hindi man lamang sumama sa Rally
noong May 11th sa Makati and Cebu.

Marami din ang taksil sa bayan katulad ni GMA, de Venecia, Miriam, etc na siyang nagbenta ng interest ng Pilipinas sa China with regards to Joint Marine Seismic na ginawa ng China sa Spratly and to Philippine waters off Palawan noong 2008, sila rin ang gumawa ng problema sa Scarborough Shoal dahil hiniwalay nila sa New Philippine Baseline ang Scarborough.

Ano pa ang gusto mo? Parang mala EDSA ang effect ng rally sa Makati? :lol:

Besides, dinaos din ang rally sa buong mundo. That's enough to tell them that they are liars.

It was a US ally, not a puppet. So it was like South Korea.

Both regimes were beholden to US power for it's existence they were thus vassal or puppet regimes .

Do you know the meaning of nascent by the way? It was known as the Republic of Vietnam not Socialtist or People's Republic.

What does the word nascent have to do with a state being democratic or not ?, secondly can you cite me the official title of North Korea ? .

Don't use historical facts to suit your communist apologism. You flat out swig at others for not liking it. What else is there to say? You're just trying to hide it.
You wouldn't be talking this way if the Philippines had ended up like Vietnam or Korea. But it's I guess all the atrocities the Communists committed to pull out the rug is all good as long as the outcome works for them, no?

First of all communism has never existed on earth as a political system you are clearly ignorant of the word and it's meaning .

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Oh and just to point out another irony regarding your statements you say this on another thread :

But in a democracy, you can at least make your own choices, whether to follow Islam, Christianity or Buddhism etc.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1515095&page=7

Your catholic mr Diem persecuted and badly treated the majority of South Vietnamese who were "Budhists" ( policies that led to the iconic picture of the self immolation of the monk above ), so according to your own albeit wacky idea's on this subject Diem was anti democratic ... :lol: .

Ano pa ang gusto mo? Parang mala EDSA ang effect ng rally sa Makati? :lol:

Besides, dinaos din ang rally sa buong mundo. That's enough to tell them that they are liars.

Naroon ako sa Makati noong araw na yaon. Kaunti lang kami, wala pang 500. nasaan ang iba pang nagmamahal sa bayan kuno?

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Writing out the non-han
May 18, 2012, 12.00AM IST[ Philip Bowring ]


The conflict between the Philippines and China over the Scarborough Shoal may appear at first sight a minor dispute over an uninhabitable rock and surrounding shallow waters. But it is hugely important because it encapsulates China's assumption that the histories of the non-Han peoples whose lands border two-thirds of the waters known in English as the South China Sea are irrelevant.

The Philippine case over Scarborough has been mostly presented as one of geography. The feature is 135 nautical miles from Luzon, the main Philippine island, and roughly 350 miles from the mainland of China and 300 miles from the tip of Taiwan. It is thus also well within the Philippines' Exclusive Economic Zone.

China leapfrogs these incon- venient geographical truths to come up with justifications of its claims which can be applied to the whole South China Sea and thus justify the dotted line on map which vaguely defines them. This line has never been precisely delineated but comes well within the 200-mile limits of all the other countries, and close to Indonesia's gas-rich Natuna islands.

In the case of the Scarborough Shoal, its historical justification is that this rock and surrounding shallow water is mentioned in a Chinese map of the 13th century when China itself was under alien - Mongol - rule. The fact that a vessel from China had visited the shoal and recorded its existence has thus become one basis for its claim. Very similar pieces of history are trotted out to justify claims to other islands visited by ships from China. Likewise, China's assumption of hegemony is often based on the fact that foreign merchant ships had to pay taxes to trade with China.

History, however, shows that Chinese sailors were latecomers to the South China Sea, let alone to onward trade to the Indian Ocean. The seagoing history of the region, at least for the first millennium of the current era, was dominated by the ancestors of today's Indonesians, Malays, Filipinos and (less directly) Vietnamese. Thus, as China's own records reveal, when the 4th century Buddhist pilgrim Fa Hsien, went to Sri Lanka, he travelled from China to Sumatra and then on to Sri Lanka in Malay ships.

This was not the least surprising given that during this era of sea-going prowess, people from Indonesia were the first colonisers of the world's third largest island, Madagascar, some 4,000 miles away. (The Madagascan language and 50% of its human gene pool are of Malay origin.) This was a thousand years before the much-vaunted voyages of Chinese admiral Zheng He in the 15th century.

Malay seagoing prowess was to be overtaken by south Indians and Arabs, but they remained the premier sea-farers in Southeast Asia until well into the era of European dominance of the region. Indeed, the Malay-speaking Hindu (like much of Southeast Asia at that time) mercantile state of central Vietnam dominated South China Sea trade until the 15th century. The 10th century Arab traveller and geographer al-Masudi made reference to the "Cham Sea", and trade between Champa and Luzon was well established long before the Chinese drew their 13th century map. As Scarborough Shoal not only lies close to the Luzon coast but is on the direct route from Manila bay to the ancient Cham ports of Hoi An and Qui Nhon, it was known to the Malay sailors long ago.

All in all, the Chinese claim to have 'been there first' is like arguing that Europeans got to Australia before its aboriginal inhabitants. But given China's reluctance to acknowledge that Taiwan was Malay terri-tory until the arrival of European conquerors, and then of a surge of settlers from the mainland, such refusal to acknowledge the rights of other peoples is not surprising.

At times, China itself seems to recognise the flimsy basis of some of its historical claims. In the case of the Scarborough Shoal, it backs up its position by reference to the Treaty of Paris 1898 concluding the Spanish-American war and yielding Spanish sovereignty over the Philippine archipelago to the US. This did not mention the shoal but described a series of straight lines drawn on the map which left the shoal a few miles outside the 116E longitude defined by the treaty.

Given that China rejects "unequal treaties" imposed by western colonialists, it is remarkable to find it relying on one between two foreign powers conducted without any reference to the inhabitants of the Philippines. Vietnam can equally well claim all the Spratly Islands as inheritor of French claims over them.

For sure, China has the power to impose its will. But its aggressive stance towards the Philippines, so often seen as an especially weak state, has alerted others, including Japan, Russia and India as well as the US, to its long-term goal which is not ownership of a few rocks but strategic control of the whole sea, a vital waterway between northeast Asia and the Indian Ocean, the Gulf and Europe. The Scarborough Shoal is not just a petty dispute over some rocks. It is a wake-up call for many countries.

The writer is former editor of the Far Eastern Economic Review.

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Well the Phillippines as the inheritor state of the Spanish Phillippines should claim Taiwan because the Spanish had started colonising it before they did and indeed as the article mentions it's original inhabitants were of malay origins and related to tribes in northern Luzon ... .

Both regimes were beholden to US power for it's existence they were thus vassal or puppet regimes

By your logic, the Philippines is a puppet regime - We get a lot of aid and economic and military support. And the USN should still be here.:lol:There's no way the Dirty Dozen vote would have survived if the Philippines was a vassal state/regime.



What does the word nascent have to do with a state being democratic or not ?, secondly can you cite me the official title of North Korea ? .

DPKR. The Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Nascent means coming into being. Er, hello? We are talking about 2 Vietnams here after the Accord, remember?


First of all communism has never existed on earth as a political system you are clearly ignorant of the word and it's meaning .

Don't lie for your Commie friends. Are you a fan of Soviet Russia? too? Are you going to tell me it's all US propaganda? Someone's showing his true colors.

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Oh and just to point out another irony regarding your statements you say this on another thread :



Your mr Diem persecuted and badly treated the majority of South Vietnamese who were "Budhists", so according to your own albeit wacky idea's on this subject Diem was anti democratic ... :lol: .

Diem isn't an idol of mine. He just happens to be the leader at that time then was followed by military regimes, considering the political turmoil going on in Vietnam. Those he persecuted were a part of a Communist crackdown, some were some were not.
The Philippines is Pro-Catholic too.:lol: Diem's regime was Pro-Catholic. Something the Monks weren't comfortable with, obviously. Don't twist my words.
Diem was essentially another version of Marcos. With his Pro-Catholic, Communist crackdown when Marcos was essentially doing the same thing at the height of the Cold War. Obviously the Commies are touchy on any a subject that exposes their presence.
The faults these leaders have in your eyes is the fact that Commies were affected. Again I did say Nascent, didn't I? Did you live during the Vietnam War so you could account for the thinking on both sides? You must follow the same BS Aquino logic that the Philippines needed a return to Democracy in 1986! (when Martial Law ended in '81)

Again, you're twisting my statements to suit your communist apologism. I noticed you always jump on posts that discuss Vietnam or Communism in a way that touches you. I guess the issue of Vietnam War, the fact that it ended with a 'US defeat' is a convenient historical crapfest for you to stick up for your Commie friends.
You never even countered my posts on the Communists atrocities or the fact that you keep making historical excuses and rationale for them

Naroon ako sa Makati noong araw na yaon. Kaunti lang kami, wala pang 500. nasaan ang iba pang nagmamahal sa bayan kuno?

IMO, No rallies can stop China from being an aggressor. I have always loved India's response. Eto yun:

CTJw57HW8vA

For sure, China gets the message loud and clear.

kung merong ganyan ang Pilipinas, you won't see those boats ever again. :lol:

China is getting really very arrogant. Time will come when china will have to be taught a lesson. The dragon must be put to sleep once again.

By your logic, the Philippines is a puppet regime. And the USN should still be here.

I never said that was my logic by contrast you seem to have forgotten your pet word ... .

Nascent

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DPKR. The Democratic People's Republic of Korea

According to you the south was democratic because they somehow called themselves thus is north Korea democratic aswell ?, a simple yes or no would suffice ty .

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Nascent means coming into being. Er, hello? We are talking about 2 Vietnams here after the Accord, remember?

The accords called for a temporary partition in view of holding a nationwide referendum for it's reunification, an accord which was broken by the south ... .

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Don't lie for your Commie friends. Are you a fan of Soviet Russia? too? Are you going to tell me it's all US propaganda? Someone's showing his true colors.

US propaganda had alot to do with misconstruing communism with the dictatorships that existed in the USSR which was not "communistic" and this can easily be verified as it was government policy .

As for my true colours i am not an American lilyr the social constraints that might work on easily cowed Americans won't work on me and you are wasting your time, calling me a communist would not make me blush i am educated enough to know that it isn't a bad word while calling me an atheist which i am and proud of it won't shame or cow me either as i am well versed in science and history and religion to know better, i am half European and Filipino with hispanic origins and when im not in the Phillippines i live in a culture and society that is far advanced and evolved compared to your American bible belts ... .

DFA files 7th protest over Scarborough; China says PH's insistence on intervention worsening rift

MANILA, Philippines -- The Department of Foreign Affairs has filed its seventh diplomatic protest against China over Scarborough (Panatag) Shoal, this time over increased Chinese presence in the area, with the Philippine Coast Guard monitoring a total of 92 fishing vessels at the contested rock formation as of May 22.

The move came as China said the Philippine government’s insistence on third-party intervention to resolve the more than month-old standoff would only serve to escalate the rift between the two countries.

“The DFA expressed its grave concern over these continuing actions by China that escalate tension in Bajo de Masinloc in a note verbale dated 21 May 2012 sent to the Chinese government through the Chinese embassy in Manila,” DFA spokesman Raul Hernandez Hernandez told a press conference.

Hernandez demanded that China’s vessels “immediately pull out from Bajo de Masinloc and the Philippines’ exclusive economic zone and for China to refrain from taking further actions that exacerbate the situation in the West Philippine Sea.”

The number of Chinese ships increased to 92 from 77 the previous day, May 22, Hernandez said.

He broke these down to: five Chinese government fisheries vessels (CMS-71, CMS-84, FLEC-301, FLEC-303, and FLEC-310), 16 fishing boats (10 inside the lagoon and six outside), and 56 utility boats (27 inside the lagoon and 29 outside).

“Yesterday (Tuesday), there were still 16 Chinese fishing vessels and the number of utility boats went up to 76,” Hernandez said, adding that the “utility boats” were dinghies that help the fishing boats collect their harvest of giant clams and corals by dredging.

He said two Philippine government vessels remain in the area, while no Philippine fishing boats are there.

China earlier announced its annual summer fishing ban in the South China Sea, which Manila calls the West Philippine Sea, on May 15. The Philippines followed with a ban of its own covering Scarborough soon after.

The fishing bans were expected to lower the tension between the two countries.

Hernandez said the increased number of Chinese fishing vessels in the area “imperils the marine biodiversity in the shoal and threatens the marine ecosystem in the whole West Philippine Sea. The Philippines has documented the many instances where Chinese fishermen have unlawfully dredged the area and illegally harvested giant clams and corals.”

“It is regrettable that these actions occurred at a time when China has been articulating for a de-escalation of tensions and while the two sides have been discussing how to defuse the situation in the area,” the DFA spokesman said.

He said these actions also violate provisions of the ASEAN-China Declaration of Conduct on the South China Sea and the United Nations Charter on disputes and territorial integrity.

He said DFA Assistant Secretary for Asia-Pacific Affairs Teresa Lazaro and Chinese Ambassador to the Philippines Ma Keqing are discussing the matter while similar talks are being undertaken in Beijing.

But Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario’s statement that some countries were helping the Philippines establish a “minimum credible defense posture” by providing the country with patrol boats and military aircraft was worsening the tensions over Scarborough.

“The Philippines’ attempt to draw any third party into interfering or intervening through whatever means in the incident is bound to further escalate the situation or even change the nature of the issue, and will meet steadfast opposition from the Chinese side,” Hong said in an e-mail forwarded by the Chinese embassy in Manila.

The Scarborough standoff started on April 8 when the Philippine Navy deployed its flagship, the BRP Gregorio del Pilar, to intercept Chinese boats seen inside the lagoon of Scarborough.

Hong said the “Chinese side has been actively engaged in diplomatic consultation to urge the Philippine side to correct its wrongdoing and ease the situation, for the sake of normal growth of bilateral relations.”

He also repeated the Chinese position that the Scarborough Shoal is China’s “inherent territory.”

China admits May 21 exercise

In a related development, the Chinese embassy here admitted that the People’s Liberation Army recently conducted a “regular training program” in the “West Pacific waters.”

Citing the Information Office of China’s Ministry of Defense, the embassy said: “The recent drill by a naval fleet of China’s People’s Liberation Army in the West Pacific waters is a regular training program included in its annual plan, not aimed at any particular country or target.”

Citing Chinese Internet reports, local media reported that China sent five warships to the waters near the Philippines.

DFA files 7th protest over Scarborough; China says PH's insistence on intervention worsening rift

MANILA, Philippines -- The Department of Foreign Affairs has filed its seventh diplomatic protest against China over Scarborough (Panatag) Shoal, this time over increased Chinese presence in the area, with the Philippine Coast Guard monitoring a total of 92 fishing vessels at the contested rock formation as of May 22.

The move came as China said the Philippine government’s insistence on third-party intervention to resolve the more than month-old standoff would only serve to escalate the rift between the two countries.

“The DFA expressed its grave concern over these continuing actions by China that escalate tension in Bajo de Masinloc in a note verbale dated 21 May 2012 sent to the Chinese government through the Chinese embassy in Manila,” DFA spokesman Raul Hernandez Hernandez told a press conference.

Hernandez demanded that China’s vessels “immediately pull out from Bajo de Masinloc and the Philippines’ exclusive economic zone and for China to refrain from taking further actions that exacerbate the situation in the West Philippine Sea.”

The number of Chinese ships increased to 92 from 77 the previous day, May 22, Hernandez said.

He broke these down to: five Chinese government fisheries vessels (CMS-71, CMS-84, FLEC-301, FLEC-303, and FLEC-310), 16 fishing boats (10 inside the lagoon and six outside), and 56 utility boats (27 inside the lagoon and 29 outside).

“Yesterday (Tuesday), there were still 16 Chinese fishing vessels and the number of utility boats went up to 76,” Hernandez said, adding that the “utility boats” were dinghies that help the fishing boats collect their harvest of giant clams and corals by dredging.

He said two Philippine government vessels remain in the area, while no Philippine fishing boats are there.

China earlier announced its annual summer fishing ban in the South China Sea, which Manila calls the West Philippine Sea, on May 15. The Philippines followed with a ban of its own covering Scarborough soon after.

The fishing bans were expected to lower the tension between the two countries.

Hernandez said the increased number of Chinese fishing vessels in the area “imperils the marine biodiversity in the shoal and threatens the marine ecosystem in the whole West Philippine Sea. The Philippines has documented the many instances where Chinese fishermen have unlawfully dredged the area and illegally harvested giant clams and corals.”

“It is regrettable that these actions occurred at a time when China has been articulating for a de-escalation of tensions and while the two sides have been discussing how to defuse the situation in the area,” the DFA spokesman said.

He said these actions also violate provisions of the ASEAN-China Declaration of Conduct on the South China Sea and the United Nations Charter on disputes and territorial integrity.

He said DFA Assistant Secretary for Asia-Pacific Affairs Teresa Lazaro and Chinese Ambassador to the Philippines Ma Keqing are discussing the matter while similar talks are being undertaken in Beijing.

But Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario’s statement that some countries were helping the Philippines establish a “minimum credible defense posture” by providing the country with patrol boats and military aircraft was worsening the tensions over Scarborough.

“The Philippines’ attempt to draw any third party into interfering or intervening through whatever means in the incident is bound to further escalate the situation or even change the nature of the issue, and will meet steadfast opposition from the Chinese side,” Hong said in an e-mail forwarded by the Chinese embassy in Manila.

The Scarborough standoff started on April 8 when the Philippine Navy deployed its flagship, the BRP Gregorio del Pilar, to intercept Chinese boats seen inside the lagoon of Scarborough.

Hong said the “Chinese side has been actively engaged in diplomatic consultation to urge the Philippine side to correct its wrongdoing and ease the situation, for the sake of normal growth of bilateral relations.”

He also repeated the Chinese position that the Scarborough Shoal is China’s “inherent territory.”

China admits May 21 exercise

In a related development, the Chinese embassy here admitted that the People’s Liberation Army recently conducted a “regular training program” in the “West Pacific waters.”

Citing the Information Office of China’s Ministry of Defense, the embassy said: “The recent drill by a naval fleet of China’s People’s Liberation Army in the West Pacific waters is a regular training program included in its annual plan, not aimed at any particular country or target.”

Citing Chinese Internet reports, local media reported that China sent five warships to the waters near the Philippines.

Sorry, we are not going to fall to your trap. :lol::lol:

^^ who wants the cheese in the mousetrap if it's full of molds noh?

I wonder when they would expel the Chinese ambassador of course it won't be the wisest thing to do but perhaps acting crazy might change their minds ... .

my my my DFA. 7th protest, as if Beijing even gives a damn.

May balak ba talaga sila magfile sa ITLOS? Parang wala eh

I never said that was my logic by contrast you seem to have forgotten your pet word ... .

Uhm...

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According to you the south was democratic because they somehow called themselves thus is north Korea democratic aswell ?, a simple yes or no would suffice ty .


How many times do I have to say it was a nascent Republic? And I didn't point out that having a Democratic in the name means the Country is Democratic.
This discussion is getting to be a moot point. It's not a historical thread. Let't forget it.
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The accords called for a temporary partition in view of holding a nationwide referendum for it's reunification, an accord which was broken by the south ... .

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Tired of moot discussions...


US propaganda had alot to do with misconstruing communism with the dictatorships that existed in the USSR which was not "communistic" and this can easily be verified as it was government policy .

As for my true colours i am not an American lilyr the social constraints that might work on easily cowed Americans won't work on me and you are wasting your time, calling me a communist would not make me blush i am educated enough to know that it isn't a bad word while calling me an atheist which i am and proud of it won't shame or cow me either as i am well versed in science and history and religion to know better, i am half European and Filipino with hispanic origins and when im not in the Phillippines i live in a culture and society that is far advanced and evolved compared to your American bible belts ... .

I didn't call you an atheist. All I said was Diem was Pro-Catholic and the Monks were Buddhist. Twisting my words again. Don't drag religion into this. We were talking about Communism here. There's no need to insult anyone's religion. That's just being low and irrelevant of you. Do you make it habit to show off your 'advanced society' as a parting shot? Classy.

Sorry, we are not going to fall to your trap. :lol::lol:

^^ who wants the cheese in the mousetrap if it's full of molds noh?

Go ahead China, make the issue bigger, flare up and just shell the Philippines. :lol:

I wonder when they would expel the Chinese ambassador of course it won't be the wisest thing to do but perhaps acting crazy might change their minds ... .

Wrong timing pa. Syempre, napagisipan na rin yan. :lol:

my my my DFA. 7th protest, as if Beijing even gives a damn.

May balak ba talaga sila magfile sa ITLOS? Parang wala eh

Papogi pa ang mga hinayupak na yan hanggang June 12. Baka by that time, good bye election. :lol:

We're talking about Communism here.

That would be futile since you don't seem to know much about it .

That's just being low and irrelevant of you.

You have been low and irrelevant during the entire conversation i suggest you refrain from making personal insults if you can't take even the very restrained comments i make, as for the issue i have written everything i had to say about the non democratic nature of south Vietnam correcting your original erronious claims on the matter, anyone interested in the issue or my comments can read and make up their minds for themselves .

I do have a feeling that the Chinese ambassador is relaying twisted facts to Beijing.

Beijings accusation on Manila about escalating the issue is really puzzling. Being a democratic country, who are they to criticize Philippine protests. Our govt and consulates did not even comment on Chinese protests and flag burning... Before May 11 they warned their citizens they are in danger because of the protest.....

Papogi pa ang mga hinayupak na yan hanggang June 12. Baka by that time, good bye election. :lol:

Baka goodbye Panatag na yan before June 12 :lol:

I never said that was my logic by contrast you seem to have forgotten your pet word ... .



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According to you the south was democratic because they somehow called themselves thus is north Korea democratic aswell ?, a simple yes or no would suffice ty .

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The accords called for a temporary partition in view of holding a nationwide referendum for it's reunification, an accord which was broken by the south ... .

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US propaganda had alot to do with misconstruing communism with the dictatorships that existed in the USSR which was not "communistic" and this can easily be verified as it was government policy .

As for my true colours i am not an American lilyr the social constraints that might work on easily cowed Americans won't work on me and you are wasting your time, calling me a communist would not make me blush i am educated enough to know that it isn't a bad word while calling me an atheist which i am and proud of it won't shame or cow me either as i am well versed in science and history and religion to know better, i am half European and Filipino with hispanic origins and when im not in the Phillippines i live in a culture and society that is far advanced and evolved compared to your American bible belts ... .

Bro, don't lecture us about communism. We saw its ugly face in Russia and elsewhere when it spread in Europe you cannot deny its degrading effect on humanity. The very core of communism is detachment of the human being from the Creator and make everybody live in utopia and be faithful to the party. The only people who benefited from it are their leaders, not the common people. Read "Divini Redemptoris" - http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius11/P11DIVIN.HTM - and you will see how the Church had studied its origin and ideology in depth and warned prophetically of its effects on humanity.

Wrong timing pa. Syempre, napagisipan na rin yan.

Eh mukhang takot na nga sila "don't involve any third parties" daw just imagine kung biglang mag declare ng war tayo ? lol .

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Bro, don't lecture us about communism.

Lol another bible thumper sorry im not interested to discuss these types of issues with religious extremists .

That would be futile since you don't seem to know much about it .

And I asked you to kindly enlighten us further. You didn't. Never countered my Communists attrocities. Just continued to prattle on.

You have been low and irrelevant during the entire conversation i suggest you refrain from making personal insults if you can't take even the very restrained comments i make, as for the issue i have written everything i had to say about the non democratic nature of south Vietnam correcting your original erronious claims on the matter, anyone interested in the issue or my comments can read and make up their minds for themselves .

What personal insults? The ones where I specifically asked you to keep your brand of idealogy yourself? Or where I hinted that you and your friends might be Commie supporters? Did I call you an idiot anywhere. Oh please. Don't make me laugh.
And you leave feeling superior because you live in an advanced society? I guess that says much.

Why would the US's non ratification matter? They are not a claimant :lol:



Just last night (Philippine time). A hearing chaired by Sen. Kerry and attended by Panetta and Clinton.

THE LAW OF THE SEA CONVENTION (TREATY DOC. 103-39): THE U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY AND STRATEGIC IMPERATIVES FOR RATIFICATION
U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations

http://www.foreign.senate.gov/hearings/the-law-of-the-sea-convention-treaty-doc-103-39-the-us-national-security-and-strategic-imperatives-for-ratification

Just last night (Philippine time). A hearing chaired by Sen. Kerry and attended by Panetta and Clinton.

THE LAW OF THE SEA CONVENTION (TREATY DOC. 103-39): THE U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY AND STRATEGIC IMPERATIVES FOR RATIFICATION
U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations

http://www.foreign.senate.gov/hearings/the-law-of-the-sea-convention-treaty-doc-103-39-the-us-national-security-and-strategic-imperatives-for-ratification



Regardless if the US ratifies it or not, it is irrelevant as the US is NOT a claimant. The US is not the entire UN. The US is not the ITLOS. There are judges from many countries in the ITLOS.

China might want to reread the UNCLOS that they signed :lol:

Just last night (Philippine time). A hearing chaired by Sen. Kerry and attended by Panetta and Clinton.

THE LAW OF THE SEA CONVENTION (TREATY DOC. 103-39): THE U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY AND STRATEGIC IMPERATIVES FOR RATIFICATION
U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations

http://www.foreign.senate.gov/hearings/the-law-of-the-sea-convention-treaty-doc-103-39-the-us-national-security-and-strategic-imperatives-for-ratification

Hindi kaya itataon ang pagpasa ng kanilang batas at pag submit natin nito sa ITLOS?

Kasi hindi nga signatory ang US.

Regardless if the US ratifies it or not, it is irrelevant as the US is NOT a claimant. The US is not the entire UN. The US is not the ITLOS. There are judges from many countries in the ITLOS.

China might want to reread the UNCLOS that they signed :lol:

Pero iba ang dating dahil walang ma-argue ang China sa kanila dahil naging signatory ang US sa UNCLOS.

Mas malakas ang hatak ni Papa Sugar pag signatory sya dyan.

Pero iba ang dating dahil walang ma-argue ang China sa kanila dahil naging signatory ang US sa UNCLOS.

Mas malakas ang hatak ni Papa Sugar pag signatory sya dyan.

It would be nice if they do but i dont think it will really affect the issue between the phils and china. Illusion lang yan ng mga intsik :lol:

What personal insults? The ones where I specifically asked you to keep your brand of idealogy yourself? Or where I hinted that you and your friends might be Commie supporters? Did I call you an idiot anywhere. Oh please. Don't make me laugh.
Do you Feel superior because you live in an advanced society? I guess that says much.

First of all you can't stop me from promoting any ideology i wished if i wanted to and you don't even have any inkling of what my ideology is ! .

2ndly you were making slanderous statements against me calling me a communist without even having any logical basis for it other than my stating a historical fact .

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Do you Feel superior because you live in an advanced society? I guess that says much.

Yes i do ty .

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Oh please. Don't make me laugh.

I never thought of it but you certainly made me laugh ... .

It would be nice if they do but i dont think it will really affect the issue between the phils and china. Illusion lang yan ng mga intsik :lol:

Its interesting to note na ngayon lang binigyang pansin ng US ang UNCLOS na yan - siguro dahil binuksan ito nila del Rosario noong meeting nila at nakita kung gaano talaga kahalaga ito. :banana::banana:

rFirst of all you can't stop me from promoting any ideology i wished if i wanted to and you don't even have any inkling of what my ideology is ! .
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Get a grip. We don't want your ideology. The Philippines doesn't. A majority are Pro-Democracy! Keep it to yourself or parrot to others.

2ndly you were making slanderous statements against me calling me a communist without even having any logical basis for it other than my stating a historical fact .

The burden was on you to prove it otherwise from the start. I hinted it. And now you just practically admitted it.:rofl:
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Yes i do ty .

And you admitted it. Finally. Say hi to Hitler for us. And his superior race.

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I never thought of it but you certainly made me laugh ... .

Cat got your tongue? So now you're copying me?Lol.

Its interesting to note na ngayon lang binigyang pansin ng US ang UNCLOS na yan

The problem is the US is yet to itself ratify the UNCLOS agreements as the US itself often disregards it .

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And you admitted it. Finally. Say hi to Hitler for us.

Lol Godwins law states that if a conversation went on long enough someone always ends up using hitler or nazi analogies and it is also said that once such a comparison has been made that the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis or Hitler has automatically lost ! .

Like ive said ive written all that i had to say about it and anyone interested can decide for themselves, so thank you moving on ... .

The chinese must really be intimidated that we are playing the US Card. At first, we wanted the US to affirm their MDT. Now, the ITLOS. I like how the DFA is playing its card :lol:

Vietnam too is quite good at playing the US card here :lol:

Kambal ata natin yun. :lol:

The problem is the US is yet to itself ratify the UNCLOS agreements as the US itself often disregard it vis a vis other countries like Canada for example ... .

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Lol Godwins law states that if a conversation went on long enough someone always ends up using hitler or nazi analogies and it is also said that once such a comparison has been made that the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis or Hitler has automatically lost ! .

Like ive said ive written all that i had to say about it and anyone interested can decide for themselves thank you moving on ... .

Did you just call someone a bible thumper because they don't know Communism? No wonder Commies are not appreciated and certainly not in our society.
Ako pa daw ang nangiinsulto. Harhar.

You are a Communist parroting historical crap to further your agenda. You just practically admitted it. Thank you. Now we know who the Commies are in our forums. Moving on...

Hindi kaya itataon ang pagpasa ng kanilang batas at pag submit natin nito sa ITLOS?

Kasi hindi nga signatory ang US.

Yan ang naisip ko.

And now we know who's the sore loser on these forums ... :lol:.

Yan ang naisip ko.

Grabe naman kung hihitayin nila

Baka sa 2013 pa magumpisa ang floor debate. The DFA should file na. Halos 100 barko na ng Tsina ang nasa skarburo

The chinese must really be intimidated that we are playing the US Card. At first, we wanted the US to affirm their MDT. Now, the ITLOS. I like how the DFA is playing its card :lol:

Vietnam too is quite good at playing the US card here :lol:

Kambal ata natin yun. :lol:

hihihihihihihihi


We must keep pressuring our government not to give in!

The problem is the US is yet to itself ratify the UNCLOS agreements as the US itself often disregard it vis a vis other countries like Canada for example ...

US and the NAFTA probably recognizes the borders and territories quite differently from the UNCLOS. I say, the UNCLOS perhaps set the minimum guidelines or standards that should be followed by its signatories, except perhaps China because it's a bully. :lol:

The chinese must really be intimidated that we are playing the US Card. At first, we wanted the US to affirm their MDT. Now, the ITLOS. I like how the DFA is playing its card :lol:

Vietnam too is quite good at playing the US card here :lol:

Kambal ata natin yun. :lol:

I did mention in the last post, that do not underestimate the resolve of the weaker nations to beat China in their own games. :lol:

Nagalit sa Pilipinas dahil, nagubuildup tayo ng capability at nakikipag engage sa mga allies natin. Who are they to tell us what to do? :crazy: :lol:

^^ they seem worried about the ex hamilton that is stripped off its arms :lol:

With their stealing of western tech and us buyig s stripped down coast guard ship, we are "bullying" them :lol:

Hilo na ata sa kakautot nila :lol:

Ang dami talagang traidor dito sa forums. Kungyari lang sila.:shifty:

So does Vietnam have a claim on SS too or is it just the Spratlys? Can't remember. We must be careful in our alliances.

Grabe naman kung hihitayin nila

Baka sa 2013 pa magumpisa ang floor debate. The DFA should file na. Halos 100 barko na ng Tsina ang nasa skarburo

Hopefully ifastrack nila...

hihihihihihihihi


We must keep pressuring our government not to give in!

Sa totoo lang, ang sarap asarin ang china :lol:

US and the NAFTA probably recognizes the borders and territories quite differently from the UNCLOS. I say, the UNCLOS perhaps set the minimum guidelines or standards that should be followed by its signatories, except perhaps China because it's a bully.

Well Canada has actually ratified it .

Ang dami talagang traidor dito sa forums. Kungyari lang.:shifty:

So does Vietnam have a claim on SS too or is it just the Spratlys? Can't remember. We must be careful in our alliances.


Just the spratlys. They even recognize that the Skarburo is in our EEZ

The vietnamese supporting the philippines are not from the government but private citizens. They sent a letter to our ambassador in hanoi expressing their support.

Regardless of status, it's a moral boost for us

Ang dami talagang traidor dito sa forums. Kungyari lang.:shifty:

So does Vietnam have a claim on SS too or is it just the Spratlys? Can't remember. We must be careful in our alliances.

Spratly's lang, but I think Vietnam is sincere in bringing this issue to the ITLOS as well so each countries can have a fair share at maresolve na ang issue na yan in general. Vietnam fully recognized our EEZ that SS is really Philippines and not China.

Ang dami talagang traidor dito sa forums. Kungyari lang sila.:shifty:

So does Vietnam have a claim on SS too or is it just the Spratlys? Can't remember. We must be careful in our alliances.

For Panatag? No, they don't. Otherwise they wouldn't have sent that letter to our ambassador here.

Just the spratlys. They even recognize that the Skarburo is in our EEZ

The vietnamese supporting the philippines are not from the government but private citizens. They sent a letter to our ambassador in hanoi expressing their support.

Regardless of status, it's a moral boost for us

Nothing is random with that letter from the local intelligentsia. I repeat, nothing.

Well Canada has actually ratified it .

But you know Canada and US are very close friends - they are almost transparent in terms of economy and trade so no problem on that aspect.

Well of course they are closely linked with regards nafta and they won't end up in any war but they do have spats regarding territory especially maritime boundaries in the arctic which is one of the few main sticking points in their bilateral relations .

Here's a news story about it :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10834006
US-Canada Arctic border dispute key to maritime riches

And with the territory comes access to the huge energy and mineral wealth lying beneath the waters.

And this is likewise one of the issues regarding Scarborough shoal it's not as much the rocks but what's underneath across the west Phillippine sea the malampalaya field would be finished in a decade but there are other larger fields off the coast of Palawan with reserves that can last a century and basically China would like to have those ressources .

So it is important that we develop the fields that are securely whitin undisputed waters asap to use the extra revenue to fund infrastructure and economic development aswell as beef up the defence budgets .

Some vietnamese even travelled to manila on may 11 to protest against china since the VN govt cracked down on anti-china protest.

Maybe we could invite more protesters from vietnam to join us in manila :lol:

DFA files 7th protest over Scarborough; China says PH's insistence on intervention worsening rift

MANILA, Philippines -- The Department of Foreign Affairs has filed its seventh diplomatic protest against China over Scarborough (Panatag) Shoal, this time over increased Chinese presence in the area, with the Philippine Coast Guard monitoring a total of 92 fishing vessels at the contested rock formation as of May 22.

The move came as China said the Philippine government’s insistence on third-party intervention to resolve the more than month-old standoff would only serve to escalate the rift between the two countries.

“The DFA expressed its grave concern over these continuing actions by China that escalate tension in Bajo de Masinloc in a note verbale dated 21 May 2012 sent to the Chinese government through the Chinese embassy in Manila,” DFA spokesman Raul Hernandez Hernandez told a press conference.

Hernandez demanded that China’s vessels “immediately pull out from Bajo de Masinloc and the Philippines’ exclusive economic zone and for China to refrain from taking further actions that exacerbate the situation in the West Philippine Sea.”

The number of Chinese ships increased to 92 from 77 the previous day, May 22, Hernandez said.

He broke these down to: five Chinese government fisheries vessels (CMS-71, CMS-84, FLEC-301, FLEC-303, and FLEC-310), 16 fishing boats (10 inside the lagoon and six outside), and 56 utility boats (27 inside the lagoon and 29 outside).

“Yesterday (Tuesday), there were still 16 Chinese fishing vessels and the number of utility boats went up to 76,” Hernandez said, adding that the “utility boats” were dinghies that help the fishing boats collect their harvest of giant clams and corals by dredging.

He said two Philippine government vessels remain in the area, while no Philippine fishing boats are there.

China earlier announced its annual summer fishing ban in the South China Sea, which Manila calls the West Philippine Sea, on May 15. The Philippines followed with a ban of its own covering Scarborough soon after.

The fishing bans were expected to lower the tension between the two countries.

Hernandez said the increased number of Chinese fishing vessels in the area “imperils the marine biodiversity in the shoal and threatens the marine ecosystem in the whole West Philippine Sea. The Philippines has documented the many instances where Chinese fishermen have unlawfully dredged the area and illegally harvested giant clams and corals.”

“It is regrettable that these actions occurred at a time when China has been articulating for a de-escalation of tensions and while the two sides have been discussing how to defuse the situation in the area,” the DFA spokesman said.

He said these actions also violate provisions of the ASEAN-China Declaration of Conduct on the South China Sea and the United Nations Charter on disputes and territorial integrity.

He said DFA Assistant Secretary for Asia-Pacific Affairs Teresa Lazaro and Chinese Ambassador to the Philippines Ma Keqing are discussing the matter while similar talks are being undertaken in Beijing.

But Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario’s statement that some countries were helping the Philippines establish a “minimum credible defense posture” by providing the country with patrol boats and military aircraft was worsening the tensions over Scarborough.

“The Philippines’ attempt to draw any third party into interfering or intervening through whatever means in the incident is bound to further escalate the situation or even change the nature of the issue, and will meet steadfast opposition from the Chinese side,” Hong said in an e-mail forwarded by the Chinese embassy in Manila.

The Scarborough standoff started on April 8 when the Philippine Navy deployed its flagship, the BRP Gregorio del Pilar, to intercept Chinese boats seen inside the lagoon of Scarborough.

Hong said the “Chinese side has been actively engaged in diplomatic consultation to urge the Philippine side to correct its wrongdoing and ease the situation, for the sake of normal growth of bilateral relations.”

He also repeated the Chinese position that the Scarborough Shoal is China’s “inherent territory.”

China admits May 21 exercise

In a related development, the Chinese embassy here admitted that the People’s Liberation Army recently conducted a “regular training program” in the “West Pacific waters.”

Citing the Information Office of China’s Ministry of Defense, the embassy said: “The recent drill by a naval fleet of China’s People’s Liberation Army in the West Pacific waters is a regular training program included in its annual plan, not aimed at any particular country or target.”

Citing Chinese Internet reports, local media reported that China sent five warships to the waters near the Philippines.

^^Bakit ang daming Chinese fishing vessels? Di ba fishing ban nila?:bash:

^^ kelan ba sila hindi nagsinungaling :lol:

^^maraming bese na haha.. sana magka-Tsunami papunta sa China at lumubog lahat ng mga barko nila. haha

^^ may malakas daw na bagyo papunta sa luzon... Sana ilubog sila ng bagyo :lol:

Well of course they are closely linked with regards nafta and they won't end up in any war but they do have spats regarding territory especially maritime boundaries in the arctic which is one of the few main sticking points in their bilateral relations .

Here's a news story about it :



And this is likewise one of the issues regarding Scarborough shoal it's not as much the rocks but what's underneath across the west Phillippine sea the malampalaya field would be finished in a decade but there are other larger fields off the coast of Palawan and basically China would like to have those ressources .

So it is important that we develop the fields that are securely whitin undisputed waters asap to use the extra revenue to fund infrastructure and economic development aswell as beef up the defence budgets .

contrary to Manila-Beijing dispute. On the other had, its not a ridiculous one compared to the 9 dash line of China. :lol:

^^ may malakas daw na bagyo papunta sa luzon... Sana ilubog sila ng bagyo :lol:

parang kamikaze. :lol:

parang kamikaze. :lol:

To those familiar with some Japanese history; a strong storm saved them from Mongol invasion :lol:

China in bed with Iran, again:lol:

Iran's Ahmadinejad to visit China: embassy[ (http://news.yahoo.com/irans-ahmadinejad-visit-china-embassy-060313506.html)
China must act to prevent hard landing: World Bank (http://news.yahoo.com/china-must-act-prevent-hard-landing-world-bank-023531532--finance.html)
Nabs, inbox is full. Gonna reply in emails.

In this case the Mongols were the good guys since they subdued the Chinese, if only Genghiz was alive again ... .

lets ask professor X to assign Storm in Philippines.

To those familiar with some Japanese history; a strong storm saved them from Mongol invasion :lol:


Tawagin natin si Storm at si Jean Grey para itaob yung mga bangka nila doon. :lol::lol:

China in bed with Iran, again:lol:



Nabs, inbox is full. Gonna reply in emails.

Roger that

ginugulangan nila ang pilipinas unti-unti nilang kimukuha iyun panatag shoal. samantalang iyung fiigate nila naka parada outside the phiilippines and ready to attack the philippines.

Tawagin natin si Storm at si Jean Grey para itaob yung mga bangka nila doon. :lol::lol:
^^Pati na rin ang The Avengers.. :))

ginugulangan nila ang pilipinas unti-unti nilang kimukuha iyun panatag shoal. samantalang iyung fiigate nila naka para ouaside the phiilippines and ready to attack the philippines.

Let them attack us. ;)

^^Pati na rin ang The Avengers.. :))

ano yung avengers?

Call Superman

Let them attack us. ;)

China is a permanent member of the united nation. he has veto power. a lot of fipinos will dei if china attack and aquino will not do that .

ano yung avengers?
^^sila Iron Man, Thor, Capt. America,etc LOLz :D

China is a permanent member of the united nation. he has veto power. a lot of fipinos will dei if china attack and aquino will not do that .

Um, I think it will be the other way around. If China decides to become the invader/aggressor, China will be condemned if not lose her UN seat.

You forget that China is becoming increasily isolated in its circle of friends in the ASEAN. If they attack, an alliance might be formed against them and Papa Sugar will come out looking like roses at least for the ASEAN. Not even Russia can deny an atrocity on a helpless country like the Philippines.

China is a permanent member of the united nation. he has veto power. a lot of fipinos will dei if china attack and aquino will not do that .

Filipinos won't fight this alone. Philippines is an important non-NATO ally of the US along with the others in Asia Pacific. Right now, you can already see the overwhelming support they placed on the Philippines which angered the bully. :lol:

The chicom thinks that just because we went 'bilateral' with them means that they can corner the Philippines with their diabolical plans. Too bad. We ain't biting on that. :lol:

Filipinos won't fight this alone. Philippines is an important non-NATO ally of the US along with the others in Asia Pacific.


That's why we should just continue noynoying. Manigas sila. If they get tired of it and attack, hahah. We will come out the winner.

China in bed with Iran, again:lol:

Nabs, inbox is full. Gonna reply in emails.


Actually this is not the first time china supported some dreaded and murderous regime add to that north korea, they also supported the murderous genocidal KHMER ROUGE that massacred millions of thier citizen and when Vietnam kicked out the khmers Mao ordered a war on vietnam and thus started the THIRD INDO-CHINA war..

Chinese couple bury woman alive, sparking outrage
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Posted at 05/24/2012 12:32 PM | Updated as of 05/24/2012 12:32 PM

BEIJING - Chinese police have arrested a young couple who buried an old woman alive believing she was dead after their car hit the 68-year-old, newspapers said on Thursday, in a case which has sparked outrage over declining public morality.

The couple had been at an all-night karaoke session when they hit the woman while driving in the early hours of the morning in the wealthy eastern province of Zhejiang last month, the official China Daily said.

"A witness said he heard someone crying and saw an elderly woman lying on the ground near (the car)," it cited a policeman as saying.

"A man and a woman got out and put the elderly woman in the car, saying they would send her to hospital."

But, worried about being arrested for drunk driving and causing the accident and believing she was no longer alive, they buried her near the side of the road, the report added.

However, when police later found the woman's body they discovered she was still alive when she was buried, and had then suffocated to death, the paper said.

The story has been widely discussed on China's popular Twitter-like service Weibo, where it has ignited uproar for what some called the immorality of modern Chinese society.

"Such things show that our society really has huge problems it is not facing," wrote one user.

"People of China, how have you come to this?" wrote another.

China's economic boom and the growing disparity between the rich and poor have made changing social values a contentious topic, with some lamenting what they see as materialism and a get-rich-quick attitude replacing public morals.

Last year, graphic video footage of a two-year-old child run over by a van and ignored by passersby in southern China sparked similar anger.

Fuck up Chinese

The taxi went flying through the air’
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By Chua Yini | Yahoo! Newsroom – Mon, May 14, 2012

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A screenshot of the accident, as the red Ferrari crashed into the taxi. (YouTube screengrab)

UPDATED (17 May, to correct age of deceased taxi passenger)

The last thing Muhammad Najib Ghazali saw before he was sent flying from his motorbike was the dislodged tyre of a taxi coming straight at him.

Moments later, he was flung off from his bike and hit the tarmac hard, dislocating his right arm, fracturing his rib and hurting his spine.

Najib, still warded in Tan Tock Seng Hospital, is one of two survivors from the high-speed accident involving a Ferrari in the wee hours of Saturday morning. The fatal accident at the intersection of Rochor Road and Victoria Street has already claimed three lives – the Ferrari driver was killed on the spot while the taxi driver and his passenger both later died in hospital.

The taxi passenger has been identified as Shigemi Ito, a 41-year-old Japanese woman who is believed to be living and working in Singapore, the Straits Times reported.

A young woman reportedly from China was with Ma in the Ferrari during the crash and she suffered head injuries and fractured her right leg.

“It was horrifying to see the tyre [of the taxi] right before my eyes, and after that I saw the taxi flip,” said the 26-year-old former dispatch rider.

Muhammad Najib Ghazali recovering at TTSH, with his mother by his bedside. (Yahoo! photo/Chua Yini)

Clad in a blue hospital gown and surrounded by his family in a ward at Tan Tock Seng Hospital, Najib recounted the horrific events on the night itself.

Wearing a tired smile throughout the whole interview, he told Yahoo! Singapore, “The Ferrari beat the red light and smashed into the taxi, and the taxi smashed into my bike. I did not see the smash. I only heard it because I was making a right turn. The moment I turned my head to look, I saw the tyre of the taxi coming towards me.”

Sporting a snaking long scar down his right forearm, Najib said the taxi went “airborne” seconds before it landed 50 metres away from where it was hit by the Ferrari.

The aftermath of the accident was a “smoky mess”.

“From there I totally couldn’t see anything because there was so much smoke and the debris was just starting to settle together with the petrol. It was raining fuel,” he said.

Najib counts his lucky stars to have escaped his fourth major accident and “uncountable” minor ones. The avid motorcyclist, who started riding since he was 19-years-old, sees his most recent close shave with death as a sign to finally stop riding.

“This is the fourth time I cheated death. Usually people say strike three, you’re out. I am the most unprotected one but I survived, so I don’t want to take the risk anymore. I want to just live to the fullest now,” he said.

Muhammad Najib told his mother of his intention to give up riding after spending a quiet Mothers’ Day with a “picnic” of home-cooked food in the hospital room on Sunday.

“It [the accident] happened just before Mothers’ day, and I imagined for a moment there what if something worse had happened to me? It would be the worst Mothers’ day present a mother can get,” he said.

[I]Another Fuck up Chinese in Singapore!


Schizophrenic man believed he was beheading an alien
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File illustration photo shows a highway in Canada. A Chinese immigrant who beheaded and cannibalized a Canadian bus passenger in front of horrified travelers four years ago spoke out for the first time, saying he believed his victim was an alienView Photo

File illustration photo shows a highway in Canada. A Chinese immigrant who beheaded and cannibalized a Canadian bus passenger in front of horrified travelers four years ago spoke out for the first time, saying he believed his victim was an alien

A Chinese immigrant who beheaded and cannibalized a Canadian bus passenger in front of horrified travelers four years ago spoke out for the first time, saying he believed his victim was an alien.

Vince Weiguang Li, 43, after being diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, was found not guilty of murdering 22-year-old Tim McLean on a Canadian Greyhound bus on July 30, 2008.

He has been holed up since his trial at a Winnipeg, Manitoba area mental health centre, where he has received treatment and is now eligible for escorted day trips into the community.

In an interview with Chris Summerville, head of the Schizophrenia Society of Canada, Li said he started hearing in 2004 what he believed was "the voice of God."

"The voice told me that I was the third story of the Bible, that I was like the second coming of Jesus (and that) I was to save people from a space alien attack," he said, according to a transcript published by Canadian media.

Li said he had purchased the knife used in the attack for protection "from the aliens" and claimed that he was unaware at that time that he suffered from schizophrenia.

"I was really scared. I remember cutting off his head. I believed he was an alien. The voices told me to kill him, that he would kill me or others. I do not believe this now," Li said.

Li had repeatedly stabbed McLean, who had been asleep on the seat next to him, cut off his head, removed his internal organs, pocketed his nose, tongue and an ear, and taunted police and bystanders with the severed head.

Police said in court documents Li "appeared to smell, and then eat parts of Tim McLean's flesh" and "lick blood from his hands" as they surrounded the bus on a desolate highway 90 kilometers (55 miles) west of Winnipeg, in western Canada, soon after the attack.

Authorities found body parts littered throughout the bus, some in white plastic bags. McLean's eyes and a third of his heart were also missing, and it is presumed Li ate them, said a pathologist in court files, though Li denied this.

The other 35 passengers and the driver were jolted by "blood-curdling screams" and fled, said witnesses, bracing the door after their escape to trap Li inside the bus. He was subdued by police after a three-hour standoff.

McLean, according to his family, was on his way home to Winnipeg from a job as a carnival worker in western Canada, when he was attacked.

Li, a devout Christian and a computer engineer, immigrated to Canada with his wife from China's province of Liaoning in 2001.

Another Fuck up Chinese in Canada

Chinese toddler run over twice after being left on street
A Chinese toddler was run over twice and ignored by nearly 20 passers-by in Guangdong Province in a case that has caused outrage around the world.
Chinese toddler run over twice after being left on street
Yue Yue amd her mother
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It is a story that has deeply unsettled millions in China, posing troubling questions about whether three decades of headlong economic development has left nothing but a moral vacuum in its wake.

It begins last Thursday when a two-year-old girl totters into a narrow lane in a wholesale market in the thriving industrial city of Foshan in Guangdong Province and is hit by a small, white van. The driver pauses, and then pulls away, crushing the child for a second time under his rear wheels.

It is not the accident itself, but what happens next — or rather doesn’t happen – that has left millions of ordinary Chinese wondering where their country is heading.

One by one, no fewer than 18 passers-by are seen on closed circuit television ignoring the girl as she lies, clearly visible in the road, haemorrhaging into the gutter. Not a single one of them stops to help.

The first is a young man in a white T-shirt and trainers. He walks on past the prone form of girl who is by now bleeding profusely, without a second glance.
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Next comes a cyclist who wobbles slightly to avoid the dying child and then pedals on, turning his head back momentarily, as if to check he really did see a child dying in the street.

As the pool of blood spreads, a third pedestrian comes by, clearly sees the bleeding girl, but steps out into the small lane to give her a wide berth.

All three could have moved the girl, later named by her parents as 2-year-old Yueyue, but none did, allowing another, larger vehicle following down the lane a few minutes later to run her over for a second time.

The pictures of the incident which happened last Thursday afternoon then show a succession of other cyclists and rickshaw drivers weaving round the girl, including a woman walking with a child who on seeing Yueyue visibly quickens her step, dragging her charge after her.

It is only the nineteenth passer-by, a 58-year-old street cleaner called Chen Xianmei, who drops her bag of rubbish and rushes to the bleeding child, attempting to scoop up her up, but finding her floppy and lifeless.

Mrs Chen, who is only 4ft 7in tall, then calls for the girl’s mother who comes rushing into view, taking up her child in her arms, who is now in intensive care in the military hospital in the city of Guangzhou.

Yueyue remains in a critical condition, a nurse told The Daily Telegraph by phone. Earlier doctors said she had suffered major head injuries and was breathing only with the assistance of a ventilator. The story of Yueyue was the leading item across China’s online news portals as the copies of the CCTV highly distressing footage attracted more than a million viewings in a number of hours.

Many viewers reacted with dismay, citing the incident as further evidence that China had become a “world without morals”.

“Everyone is praising the rubbish-collecting granny for helping, but isn’t it normal to help someone who is wounded or dying?”, asked Johnny Yao on Weibo, the Chinese equivalent of Twitter, “This just shows how abnormal is the moral situation in this society! The sad Chinese, poor China are we even rescuable?”

Others blamed China’s compensation culture for the apparent show of callousness, recalling a famous 2006 judgment when a Good Samaritan who helped a woman get to hospital was wrongly ordered to pay her compensation.

“They didn’t ignore the girl, they just didn’t dare help her,” said one comment among many that said that Chinese law had helped create a fear of intervening.

However many others said there could be no excuse, and that the scenes in the video should “shake the soul of every conscientious person” in China.

“Even if the passers-by couldn’t rescue her, they could dial 120 and 110 [China’s emergency numbers] and help to stop vehicles, then the little Yueyue wouldn’t have been run over by the second car,” said another comment posted by 'Dull Baby’.

“What’s up with people these days? They make so many excuses to turn a blind eye. The society is so indifferent, so heartless.” Yueyue’s father, a man surnamed Wang who was shown weeping with his wife on television news bulletins, said he didn’t want to enter the moral debate, only pray for his child’s survival.

“Yueyue is so lovely, often amuses us. Sometime if I quarrelled with her mother and if her mother cried, she would tell us not to cry, she always tried to amuse us. I don’t have any thoughts now, I just hope my child will wake up and call me Dad again.”

More Fuck up Chinese.


Just so you know what kind of People we are dealing with. Fuck Up People From Where else China Of Course!

the chinese are raping our resources in broad daylight.

Ang dami talagang traidor dito sa forums. Kungyari lang sila.:shifty:

So does Vietnam have a claim on SS too or is it just the Spratlys? Can't remember. We must be careful in our alliances.




Vietnam and Malaysia have a claim also in Spratly.

In Vietnam case since their Exclusive Economic Zone also touched the Spratly group then Philippines and Vietnam can negotiate for a demarcation line. By the way Vietnam already occupied some islands and reefs in the Spratly Group and in our Kalayaan Islands Group since about 1970 while the Philippines is sleeping. Scarborough Shoal is not claimed by Vietnam.


While Malaysia claim as per 200 miles Exclusive Economic Zone as measured from the State of Sabah overlapped the Philippine territories of KIG in Spratly, then we can negotiate with them also for a demarcation line.

But China is a different case and we cannot negotiate with them since their ridiculous claim is up to about 80 kilometers ( 43 nautical miles) from Palawan coast. And of course their claim on Scarborough shoal is also ridiculous since not only Scarborough shoal is a part of Masinloc Zambales though the Spanish overlooked to include it in the Treaty of Paris of 1899 ending the Spanish- American, Scarborough shoal is inside the Philippines 200 miles Exclusive Zone as per the 1982 UN Conference on Law of Sea.

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Though Recto Bank / Reed Bank is inside the Philippines 200 miles EEZ it is also claimed by China.

Um, I think it will be the other way around. If China decides to become the invader/aggressor, China will be condemned if not lose her UN seat.

You forget that China is becoming increasily isolated in its circle of friends in the ASEAN. If they attack, an alliance might be formed against them and Papa Sugar will come out looking like roses at least for the ASEAN. Not even Russia can deny an atrocity on a helpless country like the Philippines.

delusive as usual, no body cared when they took Tibet

Plus, US and Russia were aggressors before and didn't lose their seat, even after it was clear that some wars were started based on lies and human rights were violated.

^^Bakit ang daming Chinese fishing vessels? Di ba fishing ban nila?:bash:

Ang suspetsa ko hindi mangingisda ang mga yan kundi may itinatayo na sila diyan! Asan ang media natin? Bakit hindi yan tinututukan?

delusive as usual, no body cared when they took Tibet

Plus, US and Russia were aggressors before and didn't lose their seat, even after it was clear that some wars were started based on lies and human rights were violated.

At least US and Russia goes against their own size during their time. China is still scared of US and instead pick on weaker countries. :lol:

Basta BOBO ang Chiney. :))))

Ang suspetsa ko hindi mangingisda ang mga yan kundi may itinatayo na sila diyan! Asan ang media natin? Bakit hindi yan tinututukan?

Like the mischief reef. I hope we can speed up the settling of the disputes in ITLOS.

Afghanistan, Iraq had no capable army to put up any sort of fight, quite like the Philippines.
Chechnya and Georgia are hardly a worthy opponent either.

Or perhaps you are referring to the war in Panama, yepp clearly, US is only attacking countries that are playing in their league

At least US and Russia goes against their own size during their time. China is still scared of US and instead pick on weaker countries. :lol:
delusive as usual, no body cared when they took Tibet

Plus, US and Russia were aggressors before and didn't lose their seat, even after it was clear that some wars were started based on lies and human rights were violated.

Well, I should have said might lose. I missed that and never typed that this time. Tibet is a whole other matter, anyway. Politically recognised country ba sila? I think not. Plus we have an MDT with the US and I stand by the belief they will assists us in case of armed, unprovoked attack by China.

^^ Tibet was a country or at least an independent territory before China invaded them.

I googled and it says there were Autonomous region that was part of the Qinq Dynasty until 1951. So in other words, they were not politically recognised until the Chinese overtook them.

I guess they'll never get recognition (if they are seeking recognition) then until both sides are resolved like Palestine.

Afghanistan, Iraq had no capable army to put up any sort of fight, quite like the Philippines.
Chechnya and Georgia are hardly a worthy opponent either.

Or perhaps you are referring to the war in Panama, yepp clearly, US is only attacking countries that are playing in their league

US had war on two fronts - Europe and Asia Pacific back in WW2. That's back to back fighting. That's a real super power plus the fact that they have the ability to project power anywhere in the world that trying hard copycat China is green with envy. ;)

1. That was 60 years ago, since then US hasn't picked a fight with equal opponents.
2. US didn't turn the war in Europe, nor were they the main reason for Germany/Italy to lose. The war in Russia had already turned by then.
3. While US may spend a hell lot of money to show of their power, China was busy to secure key resources for future technologies. They managed to take over Africa, from Europe. They control the market of rare earths, something very important.

Bottom line, China might envy some aspects. They have clearly secured their way to the top of the food chain.

As the saying goes, God may have created the earth, the sun and the sky, but everything else is made in China.