SEOUL | Triple One | 620m | 2034ft | 111 fl | Prep [Archive] - Page 3

inno4321

September 7th, 2011, 05:31 AM

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8139/5ttgggg.png (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/5ttgggg.png/)
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6716/554treretre.png (http://img847.imageshack.us/i/554treretre.png/)
http://news.mt.co.kr/mtview.php?no=2011090616097058028&type=1

Renewal master plan
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7969/yongsanibdkoreadanielli.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/yongsanibdkoreadanielli.jpg/)
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7969/yongsanibdkoreadanielli.jpg (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/yongsanibdkoreadanielli.jpg/)
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7969/yongsanibdkoreadanielli.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/yongsanibdkoreadanielli.jpg/)
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http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/7969/yongsanibdkoreadanielli.jpg (http://img716.imageshack.us/i/yongsanibdkoreadanielli.jpg/)
http://blog.naver.com/orozieo?Redirect=Log&logNo=70088142707

NOT GOOD. This is another commie-apartment. Where is creative design? Holy crap:bash:

Kanto

September 7th, 2011, 01:23 PM

^^ Well since I'm a box lover I find the design a masterpiece. I guess that's what the SSC one on ones are there for. A design which is loved or hated by all is impossible. There will always be different opinions :nuts:

Munwon

September 7th, 2011, 01:53 PM

They are preliminary designs.... NOT FINAL!

inno4321

September 7th, 2011, 02:09 PM

Ianarch

September 8th, 2011, 06:03 PM

inno4321

September 9th, 2011, 07:37 AM

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[URL="http://img12.imageshack.us/i/pyh2011090608470001300p.jpg/"]http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7708/pyh2011090608470001300p.jpg (http://img819.imageshack.us/i/pyh2011090608410001300p.jpg/)
Very very ambitious project. Hope they will be able to find buyers of that many buildings easily and quickly. Reminds me Canary Wharf in London which started in early 1980s and still going on. Also thinking about meaning of phrase "Rome was not built in a day."

^^ Right I heard about "Canary Wharf in London project"
IBD Seoul project is not easy project. Especially looking for Buyer.
This project's Very important problem is "compensation for OLD residense".
I'm very worry about this problem because 57.1% people agree with compensation(others anti).
SH(seoul housing) is going to beiging compensation.

korea2002

September 9th, 2011, 01:44 PM

용산국제업무지구 B1블럭 개발사업

September 23th-Deadline of Development's Registration
September 26th-Pre-Contractor's Decision
September 28th-Final Contractor and Sub-Contractor's Decision(Engineering+Supertall Architecture Part)

inno4321

September 10th, 2011, 03:22 PM

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5130/20100808071312010080863.jpg (http://img225.imageshack.us/i/20100808071312010080863.jpg/)
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/65/201198113942.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/201198113942.jpg/)
Above Red line will be demolish.
But almost 43% people rejected IBD project.
Ugly "commie-apartment"'s people LOVE ugly building.
If people don't like compensation, it IBD would go half(remain with commie apartment) :bash:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4990/ps11090800186.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/ps11090800186.jpg/)
8.September. Contract between Dreamhub with SH(Seoul housing).
SH take a job of compensation for citizens(instead of dreamhub)

aquaticko

September 10th, 2011, 04:33 PM

^^Isn't the problem that those 43% think the compensation for relocation isn't enough, and that they won't be able to afford living in the new development? I want this project to happen as much as anyone, but if the necessary arrangements aren't taken care of properly, it shouldn't go forward.

Kanto

September 10th, 2011, 06:44 PM

I'm not certain I would want to leave my home even when sufficiently compensated. A home is a special place, I don't think it can be just that simply replaced :dunno:

aquaticko

September 10th, 2011, 11:19 PM

I'm not certain I would want to leave my home even when sufficiently compensated. A home is a special place, I don't think it can be just that simply replaced :dunno:

Hence why resident relocation has been a problem for this project. A few of the commieblocks in Yongsan near the Hangang are actually fairly new, too. Frankly, I could deal with those commieblocks, though. They might make the Dreamhub seem less like a "project" and more like natural growth of the city.

inno4321

September 16th, 2011, 02:35 PM

I'm not certain I would want to leave my home even when sufficiently compensated. A home is a special place, I don't think it can be just that simply replaced :dunno:

^^:) I admit your opinions.

But they(not all) request $ 1,353,179 US dallas for compensation Only "59㎡ " commie apartment!!!!!
http://www.etoday.co.kr/news/section/newsview.php?TM=news&SM=0599&idxno=479556
Can you imagine? It is so Greedy. They privatized "Han-River" with commie-apartment BLOCK which is all Seoul's citizen's nature resource.
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/9519/pyh2010071605940001300p.jpg (http://img850.imageshack.us/i/pyh2010071605940001300p.jpg/)

inno4321

September 26th, 2011, 04:28 PM

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/407/444gk.png (http://img839.imageshack.us/i/444gk.png/)
Today Samsung selected as official landmark tower's construction company:):banana:

Samsung built Burj Kalifa and Taipei 101 and Petronas tower Kualalump
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5710/252014051.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/i/252014051.jpg/)

droneriot

September 26th, 2011, 04:30 PM

The font in your posts grows bigger and bigger with each post.

Kanto

September 26th, 2011, 05:29 PM

^^ I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Maybe it's his style :cheers:

inno4321

September 27th, 2011, 02:01 PM

The font in your posts grows bigger and bigger with each post.
^^ When Good news released then the font bigger. As you know oriental asian used to Big letter(I'm also know big font and letter is not beauty). But If people don't like it, i will use restraint.:) But excuses me. Because my english is poor

^^ I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Maybe it's his style :cheers:

^^ Thanks Kanto the big font is my style.

inno4321

September 28th, 2011, 12:51 PM

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/1425/mt20110926103523693100.jpg (http://img560.imageshack.us/i/mt20110926103523693100.jpg/)
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/7248/mt20110926103523693101.jpg (http://img685.imageshack.us/i/mt20110926103523693101.jpg/)
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/3927/16690121.png (http://img829.imageshack.us/i/16690121.png/)
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/1993/hc13o.jpg (http://img716.imageshack.us/i/hc13o.jpg/)
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/4876/5555xh.png (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/5555xh.png/)
http://www.samsungcnt.co.kr/EN/ir/public_info_view.asp?fidx=2101&freadcnt=&fpage=1&fsrchgbn=&fsrchtxt=:banana:

inno4321

September 30th, 2011, 03:28 PM

Today contract

- KORAIL SIGN ON $ 4 Billion BUY REAL ESTATE of "Landmark tower(construct by SAMSUNG)" with DREAMHUB inc.
- Dreamhub complete pay for site with KORAIL.
- 11,Oct Official demolish ground breaking.

:banana::banana:

brianmoon85

September 30th, 2011, 05:16 PM

korea2002

October 1st, 2011, 03:23 AM

Construction start-2011.10.11

droneriot

October 1st, 2011, 01:15 PM

Is that October 11th or November 10th?

inno4321

October 1st, 2011, 02:10 PM

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/4204/20100707246812010070893.jpg (http://img849.imageshack.us/i/20100707246812010070893.jpg/)
http://www.hankyung.com/news/app/newsview.php?aid=2010070724681
^^ Demolish Groundbreaking(Except commie-apartment:Now negociation for compensation)
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3287/201106260000710.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/201106260000710.jpg/)
http://pann.news.nate.com/info/251451153
Is that October 11th or November 10th?

^^October 11th:)

droneriot

October 1st, 2011, 02:21 PM

^^October 11th :)
Nice. :)

patrykus

October 1st, 2011, 02:25 PM

I'm afraid we won't see any of these nice shorelines if the commie blocks stays, but anyways its great thing they are finally starting with the project :cheers:

inno4321

October 1st, 2011, 02:48 PM

I'm afraid we won't see any of these nice shorelines if the commie blocks stays, but anyways its great thing they are finally starting with the project :cheers:

^^Your afraid is my afraid.

Some commie blocks's people request $ 10millions compensation for only 3㎡.
For that reason "dreamhub" want to give up commie block included within project area.
But Seoul goverment negative for remain commie blocks.
There has been a long standing feud between the two sides(Seoul Gov/Dreamhub).

Now 53.6% people Agree with project.

inno4321

October 11th, 2011, 05:47 AM

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/9616/2011101110061855982.jpg (http://img843.imageshack.us/i/2011101110061855982.jpg/)
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1739/2011101110061855981.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/2011101110061855981.jpg/)
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/1919/pyh2011101102660001300p.jpg (http://img809.imageshack.us/i/pyh2011101102660001300p.jpg/)
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9518/pyh2011101102640001300p.jpg (http://img194.imageshack.us/i/pyh2011101102640001300p.jpg/)
http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LSD&mid=sec&sid1=101&oid=001&aid=0005311087
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4224/pyh2011101102560001300p.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/pyh2011101102560001300p.jpg/)
http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LSD&mid=sec&sid1=101&oid=001&aid=0005311083
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/1225/pyh2011101102610001300p.jpg (http://img842.imageshack.us/i/pyh2011101102610001300p.jpg/)
http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LSD&mid=sec&sid1=101&oid=001&aid=0005311086
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7816/539483055036795309.jpg (http://img827.imageshack.us/i/539483055036795309.jpg/)
http://www.asiatoday.co.kr/news/view.asp?seq=539483
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8606/12980541.png (http://img80.imageshack.us/i/12980541.png/)
Above brochure's copyright is http://www.ctbuh2011.org/
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/853/201110110000540.jpg (http://img195.imageshack.us/i/201110110000540.jpg/)
http://www.newspim.com/view.jsp?newsId=20111011000229
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2108/sed0120111011144328.jpg (http://img190.imageshack.us/i/sed0120111011144328.jpg/)
http://economy.hankooki.com/lpage/estate/201110/e2011101114441392720.htm
:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

IBD(Seoul International Business District) Groundbreaking Ceremony Today(at 11. October. 2011)

"Seoul(Yong san) IBD is located in between china and Japan which are each world utmost powerful economy region. Therefore Seoul(Yong san) IBD will be make as world famous Tour and business city until at 2016" Mr Gy Bong Kim, president of IBD.

Dear moderartor This thread have to move U/C

korea2002

October 11th, 2011, 10:11 AM

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October 12th, 2011, 04:39 AM

inno4321

October 12th, 2011, 04:42 AM

World largest redevelopement project.
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4729/20111012095601234.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/20111012095601234.jpg/)
http://news.jkn.co.kr/article/news/20111012/3711938.htm
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1927/41754662.png (http://img545.imageshack.us/i/41754662.png/)
^^ Above inner red line commie blocks will be demolition.
But some people request for much more compenstaion.

inno4321

October 12th, 2011, 04:54 AM

Sooo, to round everything from last two pages:
- Korail has sold needed land for Dream Hub
- Majority of people approve of project
- Samsung is the contractor
- groundbreaking started today

only problem left is compensation for the people in the commie block?

Smooth sailing from here, mostly, I hope.:cheers:

^^right This project going well. Because original site owner is KORAIL sold out site and Buying landmark tower.
As you know KORAIL is semi-goverment company. This is not only commercial project but also korea national redevelopment project.

only problem is compensation. 54.6% people Agree with dreamhub.
Even in the worst case commie-apartment remain. but other site no problem(land mark tower hotel etc).

Of course recently "Europe Finacial Crisis" is risk. But arealdy "Singgapore Fund" invest on dreamhub project. So I'm very positive.

Munwon

October 12th, 2011, 06:02 AM

Awesome! Can't wait to see the final renderings.

Thanial

October 12th, 2011, 07:16 AM

I still prefer the 665m version, but a 500m supertall is better than no supertall at all! I greatly prefer the new design to the boxy one, plus the new one looks like the cancelled Parkhaven Tower in Rotterdam, which is one of my favourite cancelled projects. Can't wait for some higher resolution renders.

Kanto

October 12th, 2011, 04:46 PM

^^right This project going well. Because original site owner is KORAIL sold out site and Buying landmark tower.
As you know KORAIL is semi-goverment company. This is not only commercial project but also korea national redevelopment project.

only problem is compensation. 54.6% people Agree with dreamhub.
Even in the worst case commie-apartment remain. but other site no problem(land mark tower hotel etc).

Of course recently "Europe Finacial Crisis" is risk. But arealdy "Singgapore Fund" invest on dreamhub project. So I'm very positive.

And with us (Slovaks) saying yesterday no to loans for euro countries close to bankrupt, things will no doubt become quite turbulent in the market :storm:

kofemord

October 12th, 2011, 05:35 PM

i want now a great supertall for seoul!!

droneriot

October 12th, 2011, 05:55 PM

They're already building one. (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=474259)

KillerZavatar

October 12th, 2011, 11:03 PM

strange, yet unique design. need other angles and close ups to make a decission, whether i like it or not

inno4321

October 13th, 2011, 08:11 AM

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/8352/20111013030514694.jpg (http://img841.imageshack.us/i/20111013030514694.jpg/)
http://photo.media.daum.net/photogallery/economic/economy_others/view.html?photoid=3177&newsid=20111013030514660&p=chosunbiz

IBD landmark tower is World highest price building.

Underground 7 floors/ground 100 floors(500m)
Gross area is 381,904m2
Construction fee is 1.5 Billions
Construction period Jan. 2013~Dec.2016(48months)
Design by Renzo Piano
Built by Samsung

IBD landmark tower is not tallest like "Buj Kalifa of Dubai(162층·828m) or Lotte Seoul tower of Seoul(123층·555m)..
But It is sure that IBD will be world highest price Building.

Constrution fee is US$ 10,485 per 3.3㎡ which is more expensive of Buj kalifa(US$ 9,965 per 3.3㎡)

If included land fee it will be about US$ 4 billions.

According to the KORAIL(may it concern) "KORAIL Buying US$ 4.1632 Billions. When it sold out again then price is about US$ 5 billions."

"IBD tower is pure global business tower. There will be supply "world fastest elevators(800m per 1minutes)"

"Super concret will be use it will endurence 800㎏ per 1㎠ and margin of error is 25mm(guid by 3 GPS satellite)"

"Size 2 ㎡ glass 32,500 unit(special double glass over 50 floors)"
"Out surface cover with LED light(SAMSUNG SDI)"

100 floors Skygarden
99~81 office
97 conference room
80 sky lounge
79~65 office

èđđeůx

October 13th, 2011, 08:33 AM

patrykus

October 13th, 2011, 09:36 AM

I think I like it. It would be nice to see some details of the cladding on better renderings but still with its partially gold "hanging" cladding it surely will look spectacular in real. Also the construction will be a hell of interesting with all towers around being constructed at the same time and deep excavation (7 underground floors! ). Just to bad we have to wait for the construction to start only in 2013.

inno4321

October 13th, 2011, 02:18 PM

^^So the building will have solar panels on the outer wall to generate power for the entire building? and a roof garden on the 100th floor.

that's about all I can understand from the picture & words I know. Care to explain the rest?:)
^^
Nice understanding. Yeap solar panels on the outer wall. Moreover highlight is LED PANEL or LIGHT cover on the outer wall.
Probably IBD is world first building which decorated by LED Lights.
(As you know Samsung SDI)

I think I like it. It would be nice to see some details of the cladding on better renderings but still with its partially gold "hanging" cladding it surely will look spectacular in real. Also the construction will be a hell of interesting with all towers around being constructed at the same time and deep excavation (7 underground floors! ). Just to bad we have to wait for the construction to start only in 2013.

^^:banana: Agree.

p.s above rendering is just imaginary...I'm wait for the final design.......

KillerZavatar

October 13th, 2011, 02:42 PM

alright i decided i like the design x). It's epic and i hope it will rise~

patrykus

October 13th, 2011, 06:29 PM

p.s above rendering is just imaginary...I'm wait for the final design.......

So is this concept design by Renzo Piano? I mean will the final design be anything like the concept, or it still might be completely different?

Aenelia

October 13th, 2011, 10:35 PM

World's Most Expensive Building Being Built in Yongsan
An artist's impression of the Yongsan Landmark Tower
Construction began Tuesday on the Yongsan Landmark Tower, which is expected to be the most expensive building in the world once it is completed, standing 100 stories tall and rising half a kilometer into the sky.

Scheduled to be built inside the international business district in Yongsan, the tower will not quite measure up to the Burj Khalifa in Dubai (162 stories, 828 m) or the Lotte Super Tower being built in Jamsil (123 stories, 555 m), but it will be the most expensive building per square unit.

At present, each 3.3 sq.m costs around W12.1 million (US$1=W1,167). The total construction cost is W1.4 trillion and the entire price tag for the building, including the land, stands at more than W4 trillion.

It is more expensive than the Burj Khalifa, which cost around W11.5 million per 3.3 sq.m and costs 40 percent more than the Samsung Group headquarters in Seocho-dong, which cost W8.5 million per 3.3 sq.m. Design alterations and the use of more high-tech materials could bump the price tag up further.

The skyscraper will be packed with cutting-edge equipment and facilities. The structure was designed by renowned architect Renzo Piano, who created the Pompidou Center in Paris and London Bridge Tower.

Samsung Corporation, which also served as the main contractor on the Burj Khalifa and Taipei 101 (101 stories, 508 m), the latter in Taiwan, will build the new architectural landmark in Yongsan.

It will house the offices of global businesses and will offer a wide range of high-tech functions. First of all, the skyscraper will be equipped with the fastest elevators in the world that travel at 800 meters per second, more than six times faster than the lifts installed in high-rise condominiums in Korea (120 m/s).

In order to withstand the staggering weight of 100 stories of steel and concrete, ultra-high intensity concrete will be used to build the skyscraper, capable of supporting up to 800 kg per sq.cm.

The tower is scheduled to be completed by the end of 2016. There is a less than 25 mm room for error in the building's actual height. To ensure that, GPS-based surveying technology using three satellites will be deployed.

A Seoul city official handling the construction said, "KORAIL purchased the right to the building last month for W4.16 trillion, but its price tag will rise to more than W5 trillion if it is resold."

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2011/10/13/2011101300820.html

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/img_dir/2011/10/13/2011101300696_0.jpg

KillerZavatar

October 14th, 2011, 12:16 AM

i just had a mindfuck, imagiune the last renders but try to figure out what it would look like without the veil O_O

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/7531/yehu.jpg

korea2002

October 14th, 2011, 01:53 AM

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9325/1318314902957587ps11101.jpg

Aenelia

October 14th, 2011, 09:34 AM

Looks great, though I really loved the old Korean Silla-Crown design. It had some special meaning to it and linked modernity and tradition. Nowadays skyscrapers have just all impersonal design. Except some like Taipei 101 in bamboo shape which is really original.

KillerZavatar

October 14th, 2011, 12:10 PM

roof seems to be only at about 400m-420m. at least on the last render if the spire reaches 500m. but still i love it.

inno4321

October 14th, 2011, 01:33 PM

So is this concept design by Renzo Piano? I mean will the final design be anything like the concept, or it still might be completely different?
^^ As far as i know that imaginary rendering is just concept of IBD.
Renzo piano is going to finished final design untill November.
So might be completely different except hights.

i just had a mindfuck, imagiune the last renders but try to figure out what it would look like without the veil O_O

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/7531/yehu.jpg

^^ Look so similar:lol: BTW i don't like veil

Aenelia

October 14th, 2011, 01:41 PM

Well without veil the building would have no special feature that distinguish its design from another lambda skyscraper.

KillerZavatar

October 14th, 2011, 01:58 PM

^^ Look so similar:lol: BTW i don't like veil

not only that, when the spire is about 70m which it looks like, then those buildings even have a similar height.

inno4321

October 14th, 2011, 04:18 PM

not only that, when the spire is about 70m which it looks like, then those buildings even have a similar height.

^^ Reasonable analyze... Could you tell me what is name of left building? Located in China? Or europe?

droneriot

October 14th, 2011, 05:06 PM

That's the Guangzhou IFC.

inno4321

October 14th, 2011, 05:08 PM

That's the Guangzhou IFC.

^^ appreciated

patrykus

October 14th, 2011, 08:42 PM

^^ As far as i know that imaginary rendering is just concept of IBD.
Renzo piano is going to finished final design untill November.
So might be completely different except hights.

I somehow felt it wasn't Renzo Piano kinda thing. So I for one hopes for much better final product of Renzo yet to come :cheers:

inno4321

October 17th, 2011, 05:12 AM

New traffic system of IBD
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/1484/23538010.jpg (http://img638.imageshack.us/i/23538010.jpg/)
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2698/25553834.png (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/25553834.png/)
Bimodal : connect between IBD with Seoul park(same size of New york central park)
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/3139/b9ab1.jpg (http://img828.imageshack.us/i/b9ab1.jpg/)
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/86/20100916121028104095521.png (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/20100916121028104095521.png/)
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/6170/200512809.jpg (http://img825.imageshack.us/i/200512809.jpg/)
Tram : Inner side of IBD
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7629/77614515.png (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/77614515.png/)
Trolley : underground of IBD

kingsc

October 17th, 2011, 07:56 AM

Wait did I see the word trillion in the price tag. Man that's a look of money.

aquaticko

October 17th, 2011, 03:34 PM

Jakub

October 17th, 2011, 05:16 PM

Is there any official website for the dream hub development with masterplan, infos, news etc?

inno4321

October 18th, 2011, 06:24 AM

^^Trillion won. It's sort of like the Japanese monetary numbering system, where both the won and yen are roughly equivalent in relative value to a penny (the smallest monetary unit), except the won is more like 1/10th of a penny. To put it more simply, just drop three zeros from the listed value in won, and two from the listed value in yen, to get USD. So trillion won=billion dollars and trillion yen=hundred billion dollars, very roughly speaking.

Inno, is there going to be a new park in this development too? I don't remember anything like that in front of Namsan. It's so big!!!

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/2852/64437555.jpg (http://img546.imageshack.us/i/64437555.jpg/)

^^ Seoul park is going to open until 2025. Park area is 2,430,000㎡(almost same size of New york central park. Half size of paris's all park total area)

Also around park area 8,950,000㎡ will be redevelopment by seoul goverment.(included IBD:DREAMHUB)
There will be 10 units 50 floors building(180,000㎡) around park.(another project from IBD)

Park will be have 6 different area
http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4008/cont52.gif (http://img811.imageshack.us/i/cont52.gif/)
^^ Ecological Spine Park
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/508/cont53.gif (http://img833.imageshack.us/i/cont53.gif/)
^^Heritage Garden Park
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/1213/cont54.gif (http://img444.imageshack.us/i/cont54.gif/)
^^Gate park
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/5918/cont55.gif (http://img812.imageshack.us/i/cont55.gif/)
^^Global Culture Park
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/6599/cont56.gif (http://img841.imageshack.us/i/cont56.gif/)
^^Play Park
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/181/cont57.gif (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/cont57.gif/)
^^Productive Park

These 6 park direct connet to the IBD(DREAM HUB CITY)==>Han river==>Nodul opera House==>NAMSAN mountain ==> CBD!

Is there any official website for the dream hub development with masterplan, infos, news etc?

^^:lol:
http://www.dreamhub21.com/eng/mainReal.asp

aquaticko

October 18th, 2011, 03:54 PM

Man, Seoul is going to look totally different if all of this goes through. Keeping my fingers crossed!

rdykim

November 20th, 2011, 07:08 AM

why did they reject daniel libeskind's design? his design had so much meaning. the design was simple, yet elegant.

i find this building to be impersonal, not unique, and very ugly. in fact, i really do not like the architect who designed this. i would like to protest against this design.

korea2002

November 20th, 2011, 10:47 AM

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/1372/wt0921.jpg
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/9522/56670619.jpg
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/4825/9main1.jpg
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/4009/10mai1.jpg
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/5497/c03091.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3280/c051.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3748/c06091snaq.jpg
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9995/c07091.jpg
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/9688/c08091.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/6475/c10091.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8084/co21.jpg
Nightview
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9524/co5ni1.jpg
Sunken Park
http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/1171/mt1091.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/9907/rv1wa1.jpg
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/4193/rv2wat1.jpg

Source-http://daniel-libeskind.com/projects/archipelago-21/images

His Design is only Changed,not Rejected.
this Modified Masterplan of Yongsan IBD is supervised and Designed by Daniel Libeskind,too.

korea2002

November 20th, 2011, 10:49 AM

aquaticko

November 20th, 2011, 07:23 PM

Kanto

November 20th, 2011, 07:46 PM

I can tell this is a Libeskind design. Libeskind makes sure that none of the towers will be dominating because all of them have a similary sized tower next to it. This is the same thing he did with the new WTC. Oh, how I hate that :rant:

patrykus

November 20th, 2011, 07:57 PM

No! Daniel Libeskind's Design is not rejected.Refer to below Designs.

Wasn't Renzo Piano supposed to design the landmark tower?

inno4321

November 21st, 2011, 07:56 AM

So this is really going to be built? Inno was saying that Seoul's new mayor was cancelling all of these redevelopment plans. I hope not; I like this one, and the "gold wrap" of the main tower seems to carry on the Korean tradition of golden glass-clad buildings.

^^ Seoul's new mayor is idiot monkey. He's korean name's pronuciation is similar with english monkey. damm it. Guess he's IQ just same with dulpin.

IBD got a project risk which seoul's new policy is not demolish but preserved.

So that reason this project got a risk. half completed(landmark tower is no problem but beside riverside water front project got a risky) Some residens people ask $ 10milion for only 3m3 apartment.
Seoul don't want to demolish "ugly commie-apartment"

This is common oriental an aesthetic sense :bash: wtf seoul's mayor

inno4321

November 21st, 2011, 08:04 AM

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/9831/73293055.png (http://img828.imageshack.us/i/73293055.png/)
http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LSD&mid=sec&sid1=101&oid=003&aid=0004199455

Yesterday IBD official confirm.

-Until next years $ 8 billion pay for construction coast.

-4~5 floors 20 buildings +22 buildings(over 5 floors)

- Make K-pop streets, Public transfer system

-Among total design project 75% belong to korean architecure company.

-IBD is going to invest $ 31 billions and return back $ 67 billions economic effect and attracted annual 500 millions foreign tour spot and make new job 36millions.

inno4321

November 21st, 2011, 08:18 AM

Wasn't Renzo Piano supposed to design the landmark tower?

^^Right Now on going design by renzo

inno4321

November 21st, 2011, 08:23 AM

patrykus

November 21st, 2011, 11:27 AM

^^ sooo, why Korea2002 says the Libeskinds design is not rejected? Have he (Libeskind) maybe designed the master plan for the CBD (but not the tower)?

inno4321

November 21st, 2011, 12:21 PM

^^ sooo, why Korea2002 says the Libeskinds design is not rejected? Have he (Libeskind) maybe designed the master plan for the CBD (but not the tower)?

Have he (Libeskind) maybe designed the master plan for the CBD (but not the tower)?
^^ Correct. Libeskind had been win in internation competeion for IBD by Archiopelo 21 in 2008.

But two time internation finacial cirisi hit the this project(IBD).
So that reason dream hub inc reduce project size(included 680m landmark tower) instead disposal Libeskind design.

As far as i know Libeskind's design is disposal but he is still supervisor for IBD new master plan(but not the tower).

patrykus

November 21st, 2011, 03:36 PM

inno4321

November 21st, 2011, 05:46 PM

So lets sums it up:

1. Libeskind designed the masterplan for cbd.

2. Renzo Piano will design the landmark tower.

3. Latest renders shows Libeskind cbd masterplan, with illustrative landmark tower design by Libeskind, which wont be build since its going yet to be designed by Renzo.

Are all of above points correct? Inno, Korea, I would like to know opinion from both of you.

Btw do you have any info when Renzo design is to be revield?

1. Libeskind designed the masterplan for cbd.
==>Maybe you mean cbd is IBD. Right
IBD(yongsan international business district) masterplan by Libeskind.

2. Renzo Piano will design the landmark tower.
==>already during design by renzo. I think almost completed.

3. Latest renders shows Libeskind cbd masterplan, with illustrative landmark tower design by Libeskind, which wont be build since its going yet to be designed by Renzo.
==>
Above rendering came from Dreamhub Kick off ceremony presentaion film in Sila Hotel.
Just imaginary rendering. That is not masterplan.
Accordding to the dreamhub they will going to open New materplan which Libeskind until december 2011.

Btw do you have any info when Renzo design is to be revield?
==> Renzo design(basic) is finish until 2011.
With that design detail tower is going to design.(by korean architeture company)

patrykus

November 21st, 2011, 06:42 PM

inno4321

November 22nd, 2011, 05:52 AM

Ok, so since this is not the Renzo design I think for now we should hold with our opinions.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3170/9mainpers0929rayuscorpm.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/405/9mainpers0929rayuscorpm.jpg/)

^^ Agree above "golden warp" tower is just concept. So hold my opinions.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/508/20111006162446142.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/i/20111006162446142.jpg/)
This is very recent renzo's seoul building design(CBD of seoul).

Especially 1 floors floating in the space. and sky ceilling park. imo not my taste

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/843/445k.png (http://img528.imageshack.us/i/445k.png/)http://www.yongsanpark-design.com/eng_index.php

helghast

November 23rd, 2011, 12:20 AM

What about this - http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/building.php?building_id=12846

patrykus

November 23rd, 2011, 12:30 AM

what about it?

helghast

November 23rd, 2011, 12:52 AM

^^ Where will that tower be located in the master plan ? Is there any renders available ?

aquaticko

November 23rd, 2011, 01:22 AM

Probably nothing official for something like that at this point. This is a really massive redevelopment project, so I'd expect all the smaller details to be up in the air. That a 355m tower is a "smaller detail" tells you how big this whole thing is. I just hope it all goes through...Seoul is a first class city, and the world should know it.

Jakub

November 23rd, 2011, 01:45 AM

brianmoon85

November 23rd, 2011, 02:56 AM

^^ actually I like it cuz it shows the contrasts of both older, old, recent, new, and modern Seoul in a way and different types of architecture around it from low-rise houses, buildings to apartment blocks to towers and the Mt. Namsan as well. Hopefully it get starts getting built cuz I'm moving back to Seoul next Fall to enlist in military service!!

aquaticko

November 23rd, 2011, 04:28 AM

This entire project looks like an architectural amusement park, not like an integral part of the existing city. I like some ideas (greenery, towers etc.) but in my opinion the masterplan doesn't fit the area and the city. I think I don't like it.

Well, I think that you're kind of right, but there are a number of reasons why it looks like that:
1. The entire Yongsan district is, right now, little more than a combo of railyards and a military base.
2. Most of Seoul is fairly generic right now, at least when looking at large areas, because it developed quickly, so most of the city lacks anything really identifying that would help anything new "fit" with anything old.
3. Seoul is, after all, big:).

I still find it frankly dissappointing that Seoul really doesn't have a "face", something that people see and know immediately where it is they're looking at. They've got to start somewhere, so where better than in the middle of the city with a massive, gorgeous project that has a bit more fun than your average commie block?

Jakub

November 23rd, 2011, 05:02 AM

@brian: I don't see the contrast within the master plan. The only contrast is the dissimilarity of the newly designed part and the authentic city. This is the problem, contrasts are fine, they revivify city and make it more real, but the city planning is to organize, connect and create potential of future development and I think that the current design even kills this potential. Really the urban planning has its own rules and the master plan needs to be done in a different way. It's not only scale, the process is different. The urban planners always keep saying "don't think too architecturally" because concepts must solve problems of another sort. The good master plan just have to work well, getting rid of being fashionable or iconic. There's no place for the style of an architect unless it is a method of how they work. Sure it will be impressive (if finished), filled up with diverse activities but still in some way a blind spot.

It's the duty to enlist in military service or you just want to?

@aquaticko: you are right too, I know the Yongsan needs redevelopment. I think Seoul already has a face, besides that type of planning isn't new. It will not shape the new face of Seoul, maybe only make a lot of noise. Yes Seoul is big and vibrant, this is the positive factor in this situation.

inno4321

November 23rd, 2011, 06:59 AM

What about this - http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/building.php?building_id=12846

^^ Where will that tower be located in the master plan ? Is there any renders available ?
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/544/33352660.png (http://img580.imageshack.us/i/33352660.png/)
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/7695/68498826.png (http://img809.imageshack.us/i/68498826.png/)
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/9683/70146404.png (http://img546.imageshack.us/i/70146404.png/)
^^
Thanks for CTBUH information.

But i'm not sure whether landmark hotel or office

inno4321

November 23rd, 2011, 12:14 PM

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1848/419907021edit.gif (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/419907021edit.gif/)

Total project cost : 31조원( $ 31 billions)
Design cost : 3269 억원($ 0.4 billions)
Land Area size : 565,000m2
Total contain an area ; 3330,000m2
67 Buildings( over 40 floors 19)
Underground area : 400,000m2

brianmoon85

November 23rd, 2011, 07:19 PM

@brian: It's the duty to enlist in military service or you just want to?

I think it's about a time for change hehe. Afterall, I've lived over 21 years of my life abroad (Both in Latin America and North America), kinda miss homeland and would love to spend and experience the rest of my 20s in my motherland. I think I'll enlist as a Interpreter Solider or KATUSA (part of American military in Korea). After that, I think I'll consider some place else...maybe somewhere in Europe...or maybe even Australia who know...I like being adventurous with life! :lol::banana:

inno4321

November 24th, 2011, 07:36 AM

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8359/b9dabff8bcf820b9dabff8b.jpg (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/b9dabff8bcf820b9dabff8b.jpg/)
This guy(park won sun) is seoul's new mayor who cancel all major project of seoul

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/5422/20090302168212009030257.jpg (http://img847.imageshack.us/i/20090302168212009030257.jpg/)
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5708/52389185.png (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/52389185.png/)
1. Cancel seoul opera house

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/589/20110929102830925.jpg (http://img809.imageshack.us/i/20110929102830925.jpg/)
2. cancel yeuido project.

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3171/45847705.png (http://img827.imageshack.us/i/45847705.png/)
3. cancel Apgujong project

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/2779/51060353.png (http://img832.imageshack.us/i/51060353.png/)
4. cancel yeuido 2 project

congratulation for new suck idiots mayor of seoul

inno4321

November 24th, 2011, 01:10 PM

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6799/7567r.png (http://img408.imageshack.us/i/7567r.png/)
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7448/434y.png (http://img265.imageshack.us/i/434y.png/)

WTF SEOUL'S NEW IDIOT MAYOR.
Most crazy guy is seoul's mayor park fuxk u
He make IBD HALF develope!!!
http://www.fnnews.com/view?ra=Sent0801m_View&corp=fnnews&arcid=0922474949&cDateYear=2011&cDateMonth=11&cDateDay=24

:bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash:

Kanto

November 24th, 2011, 01:56 PM

http://img51.imageshack.us/i/b9dabff8bcf820b9dabff8b.jpg/

ROFLMAO :hilarious It sucks that this dude is cancelling projects :ohno: At least Super Tower still goes up :dunno:

KillerZavatar

November 25th, 2011, 12:05 AM

so this project is cancelled?

patrykus

November 25th, 2011, 12:13 AM

No its not, they just have problems buying out these comie blocks so it will proceed only on the land previously occupied by trains depot. So the main tower goes forward.

Munwon

November 25th, 2011, 12:17 AM

Its private land and money the government can't do anything about it.

KillerZavatar

November 25th, 2011, 12:21 AM

No its not, they just have problems buying out these comie blocks so it will proceed only on the land previously occupied by trains depot. So the main tower goes forward.

oh i see so the surrounding park on the coast line will suffer due to the issues and maybe some smaller new buildings? it is sad that the commiblocks may ruin the view but im happy it doesnt put the project at risk. and i think there are still chances to remove the commieblocks later on while the buildings are in construction or even when already finished.

brianmoon85

November 25th, 2011, 03:33 AM

I'm skeptical and the fact that the new mayor guy is cancelling projects is a bit of an exaggeration. I appraise Sehoon Oh (former Mayor of Seoul) for beautification of Seoul City. However, Seoul's debt have tripled since he took office which is in a way negative as well. We'll just have to wait and see

inno4321

November 25th, 2011, 01:41 PM

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/7614/htm20071030184503000001.jpg (http://img820.imageshack.us/i/htm20071030184503000001.jpg/)
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8858/82197784.png (http://img52.imageshack.us/i/82197784.png/)
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9163/20101216055923479155.jpg (http://img26.imageshack.us/i/20101216055923479155.jpg/)
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2509/84704296.png (http://img220.imageshack.us/i/84704296.png/)
ROFLMAO :hilarious It sucks that this dude is cancelling projects :ohno: At least Super Tower still goes up :dunno:

^^ Me too It sucks that this crazy guy cancelling projects.
But Super Tower still goes up.
But that is half project and so lonely and weird

No its not, they just have problems buying out these comie blocks so it will proceed only on the land previously occupied by trains depot. So the main tower goes forward.

^^ You rights. Other tower still goes up 100%.

oh i see so the surrounding park on the coast line will suffer due to the issues and maybe some smaller new buildings? it is sad that the commiblocks may ruin the view but im happy it doesnt put the project at risk. and i think there are still chances to remove the commieblocks later on while the buildings are in construction or even when already finished.

^^ Agree with you. "it is sad that the commiblocks may ruin the view"

As you say seoul have to demolished commieblocks later on while the buildings are in construction or even when already finshed.
But i'm afraid seoul's new mayor is so called "left-wing politician"
He want to deleted pre-seoul mayor's policy.

Compensation and people's resist That is simply an excuse, and nothing more

He(park) tried not to do it on some pretext or other.

he afraid that "Han-river renassiance project's sucess":bash::bash:
So that reason now he during put obstacles in IBD

inno4321

November 25th, 2011, 01:57 PM

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3586/89052647.png (http://img440.imageshack.us/i/89052647.png/)
^^ Park won sun mayor " IBD, commie-block except from IBD projects under considerations"

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/3563/47607281.png (http://img560.imageshack.us/i/47607281.png/)
http://www.fnnews.com/view?ra=Sent0801m_View&corp=fnnews&arcid=0922474949&cDateYear=2011&cDateMonth=11&cDateDay=24

^^ IBD project is too late for cancelling. Already huge money invest to this project....But IBD is part of Yongsan harbor project. But now i'm give up yongsan harbor and han-river renaissance project so IBD also have to change

some people resist for commpenstaion so I will consideration "Subu-lee-chon-dong(commieblocks area )except from IBD redevelopmnet project.

Let's dance with commie-blocks

I LOVE SEOUL AND I LOVE COMMIE-BLOCK :lol::lol::lol::lol: What a greatest mayor he is sucks....:applause::applause:

inno4321

November 25th, 2011, 02:16 PM

sorry

erbse

November 25th, 2011, 02:22 PM

Please refrain from the political discussion here, thanks!

Open a skybar thread for this stuff if you see a need to do so.

I'll delete any further posts on the topic.

Kanto

November 25th, 2011, 02:24 PM

Deleted!

inno4321

November 25th, 2011, 03:57 PM

Please refrain from the political discussion here, thanks!

Open a skybar thread for this stuff if you see a need to do so.

I'll delete any further posts on the topic.

^^ I understood. From now on i'll not discuss political themes post anymore. thanks
But As skysraper lover who I am ... please understood my despair and angry.
Regards yours

aquaticko

November 25th, 2011, 08:45 PM

inno4321

November 26th, 2011, 06:38 AM

The only thing is, I never really understood the whole "Seoul Harbor" idea. the Hangang reaches the ocean in North Korea, so it's not like Seoul can really work as a harbor. Besides, that's what Incheon is there for:D.

Anyway, I'm curious just how many buildings are going to be part of this project. It seems like even on the CTBUH page, there are a lot of buildings not listed; Seoul never seems to have all its information around.

^^ Dear aquaticko
"Seoul Harbor" or "Yong san Harbor" whatever..It is idea come from predecessor mayor's "Han-river renaissance project" which is make han river like a "Themes of lonond".
This project's very point is "Seoul Harbor" and IBD. At the moment han-river is empty..there is no crusie-ship or tour-ship...
If this project completed..it would many china and japan's tourist direct to reach to seoul with only ship

I'm curious just how many buildings are going to be part of this project.
^^
67 Buildings(over 40 floors is 19 buildings)

inno4321

November 28th, 2011, 02:56 AM

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5144/20111128002170.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/i/20111128002170.jpg/)
http://biz.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2011/11/28/2011112800219.html

IBD LANDMARK TOWER's height confirm as 620m(111floors)

Official name is so called "Triple one"
Changed from 100floors(480m) to 111floors(620m) Taller than lotte seoul tower
IMO spire is almost 60~70m

This decision congratulation for KORAIL'S 111 ANNIVERSARY!!

Designed by renzo piano(until december.2011)
Built by Samsung(who built Burj Kalifa)
With renzo basic design detail design in next years.
Construction begin at june 2013
Completed in december. 2016
:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

Jakub

November 28th, 2011, 03:08 AM

Really curious what Renzo Piano will show next month, but still don't like the master plan.

Thanial

November 28th, 2011, 04:21 AM

so unbelievably happy with the height increase! :cheers: A building so beautiful deserves the extra height!

KillerZavatar

November 28th, 2011, 10:02 PM

http://www.operatorchan.org/n/arch/src/n129954_no_wai.jpg

erbse

November 28th, 2011, 10:39 PM

I can't quite comprehend the post of inno4321.

Does that mean a height increase to 620m for the tower this thread is dealing with?

KillerZavatar

November 28th, 2011, 10:43 PM

I can't quite comprehend the post of inno4321.

Does that mean a height increase to 620m for the tower this thread is dealing with?

yes.

but then again i still cannot imagine this and when the plan is to start construction in 2013 i have high fears that this may be one of the future never built hypertall buildings in korea that we had so many in the past

isnt that an old design for DMC, just wondering

with the current design the spire looks to be around 120m or even more, just look at the picture and its about 1/5th of the height of the building and that didnt take into account that the picture has perspective.

aquaticko

November 29th, 2011, 02:33 AM

Well, like we said before, the gold-wrapped tower is just a place holder until Piano comes out with his design. It may look totally different from what we see here.

Also, the article from the Chosun Ilbo (http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2011/11/28/2011112801018.html) says that this is one of the three 500+ m buildings going up, and names the Hyundai Global Business Center and the Lotte Jamsil Super Tower as the other two. It also states explicitly that the Seoul Lite tower proposal has been scaled back; those two things make it obvious that Seoul Lite won't be over 500m, but they didn't say just how much smaller the new proposal for that project would be. It's probably safe to say it'll still be a supertall, but I would guess probably no more than 400m.

I do think that this particular project will go through, 620m tower and all, just because it's in such a prime location, and there are so many companies invested in the development, including most of the big chaebol and some foreign co's.

inno4321

November 29th, 2011, 10:35 AM

inno4321

November 29th, 2011, 10:59 AM

Really curious what Renzo Piano will show next month, but still don't like the master plan.
^^ Me too. At the moment master plan is not my taste.

so unbelievably happy with the height increase! :cheers: A building so beautiful deserves the extra height!
^^First time i heard the height increase News I so very happy :banana::banana::banana:

I can't quite comprehend the post of inno4321.

Does that mean a height increase to 620m for the tower this thread is dealing with?
^^:)

yes.

but then again i still cannot imagine this and when the plan is to start construction in 2013 i have high fears that this may be one of the future never built hypertall buildings in korea that we had so many in the past

isnt that an old design for DMC, just wondering

with the current design the spire looks to be around 120m or even more, just look at the picture and its about 1/5th of the height of the building and that didnt take into account that the picture has perspective.

^^ Skeptical is roots of science. Skeptical is healthy reasonable mind.
But i'm sometime tend to be religious man... especially for IBD..
Right This is time for "Real proof" rather than "news article and imaginary rendering". Agree this project is not easy.
Me too I'm looking forward to see "real stuff"...someday:lol:

KillerZavatar

November 29th, 2011, 01:41 PM

^^ Skeptical is roots of science. Skeptical is healthy reasonable mind.
But i'm sometime tend to be religious man... especially for IBD..
Right This is time for "Real proof" rather than "news article and imaginary rendering". Agree this project is not easy.
Me too I'm looking forward to see "real stuff"...someday:lol:

i just hope that all these projects will turn out with the heights we heard lately. but i guess only time can tell. i'm happy at least one 500m+ buiding is already under construction and i think the next year will make more clear what the city is heading towards in terms of height :banana:

tim1807

November 29th, 2011, 04:48 PM

Nice news that this tower get increased.:)

Kanto

November 29th, 2011, 08:25 PM

^^ Thanks for your chosunilbo english article link.
Accordding to some news Landmark tower's design is changed from "Dragon shape(golden wrapped)" to "Rocket shape"
Is Renzo prefer to rocket shape building? I never find rocket shape in his portfolio
Seoul will be get another Second Rocket building besides from "Lotte jamsil seoul tower"? Give me a break IBD :nuts:

I just hope that with "rocket shape" they don't mean something like the Slaughterhotel of your evil north neighbour :puke:

KillerZavatar

November 29th, 2011, 09:54 PM

I just hope that with "rocket shape" they don't mean something like the Slaughterhotel of your evil north neighbour :puke:

that actually is more like a pyramid than a rocket

ZZ-II

November 30th, 2011, 10:44 AM

620m....that's really cool :)

inno4321

November 30th, 2011, 03:27 PM

Nice news that this tower get increased.:)
^^ Me too:banana:

I just hope that with "rocket shape" they don't mean something like the Slaughterhotel of your evil north neighbour :puke:
that actually is more like a pyramid than a rocket
^^ Yeap. North korea(I don't want to admit it that N.Korea as my brotherhood country. really sick and tired)'s Slaughterhotel is shame on kimjong il dictator. I think their concret pyramid hotel is so ugly.

620m....that's really cool :)
^^ :banana: Not only 620m tower but also others 44 buildings.

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IBD said "So we push up project "fast track" as possible as we can with this successful financial publication."

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http://joongang.joinsmsn.com/article/aid/2011/11/30/6427717.html?cloc=olink|article|default
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-HYUNDAI DEVELOPER INC(https://www.hyundai-dvp.com/en/index.jsp) move headquter from gang nam to youngsan.
Accordding to the president of HYUNDAI DEVELOPER INC said "Young san will be an axis of Seoul with IBD. So that reason our company move to Young san. Yongsan will be Center of Future Seoul with IBD"

skyscrapercity

December 1st, 2011, 06:47 PM

patrykus

December 1st, 2011, 07:31 PM

Kanto

December 1st, 2011, 07:44 PM

KillerZavatar

December 1st, 2011, 11:38 PM

Iirc it's a Libeskind design and fact is I'm amazed that it actually looks good :dunno:

i like it too, although it looks nearly exactly like GIFC with gold wrapped around it and it actually had the same height too, right before they changed the height again and with it mostly the design too, so that one is probably being obsolete anyway :dunno:

inno4321

December 2nd, 2011, 01:22 PM

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4039/seoult701.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/i/seoult701.jpg/)
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/557/46555471.jpg (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/46555471.jpg/)
http://www.jennyhouse.info/board/bbs/board.php?bo_table=seoul&wr_id=4704&sca=%BF%EB%BB%EA
^^ IBD landmark tower is going to higher than "NAM SAN(mountains) N-Tower"
Let's dance with trance music lol

inno4321

December 2nd, 2011, 01:30 PM

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/4005/34534.png (http://img593.imageshack.us/i/34534.png/)
http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/index.php
This is not Renzo design.
^^ right that is just imaginary rendering

i like it too, although it looks nearly exactly like GIFC with gold wrapped around it and it actually had the same height too, right before they changed the height again and with it mostly the design too, so that one is probably being obsolete anyway :dunno:

^^Right that is obsolete one

patrykus

December 2nd, 2011, 03:52 PM

^^ Right, so since even CTBUH list it now as Triple One I think we should change the threads title.

korea2002

December 2nd, 2011, 06:05 PM

^^ Right, so since even CTBUH list it now as Triple One I think we should change the threads title.

Yes.i will change overall project thread title and status,floors and specified information aabout building soon.

patrykus

December 2nd, 2011, 06:12 PM

I already reported it. Btw is it Renzo basic design or another imaginary one?

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/557/46555471.jpg

korea2002

December 2nd, 2011, 06:25 PM

^
It is previous daniel libeskinds design.thanks buddy!

inno4321

December 3rd, 2011, 07:14 AM

I already reported it. Btw is it Renzo basic design or another imaginary one?

^^
That is came from Daniel's design.:)
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/821/19242842.png (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/19242842.png/)

inno4321

December 3rd, 2011, 07:30 AM

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/5913/45850274.jpg (http://img812.imageshack.us/i/45850274.jpg/)
B1 Block
Design by ITALY RPBW

inno4321

December 4th, 2011, 10:26 AM

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4687/16609462.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/i/16609462.jpg/)
http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=city&no=276473&page=1&bbs=
IBD landscape:lol:

Kimiwind1184

December 4th, 2011, 02:53 PM

So the Dream Hub Central Tower is 500M or 620M??
When exactly they will start construction? Early 2012 maybe?
Thanks!

inno4321

December 4th, 2011, 04:07 PM

So the Dream Hub Central Tower is 500M or 620M??
When exactly they will start construction? Early 2012 maybe?
Thanks!

^^ Central Tower's height is 620m[In next years(january 2012) developer is going to permit from seoul goverment which changed heights from 480m to 620m. But permit process is no problem because original land mark tower's height is 680m in 2008 international competition.
At that time seoul goverment agree with and permit 680m master plan. Therefore increase height permit is no problem. 620M is shorter than original master plan]

When exactly they will start construction? ==> begin construction is going to at june, 2013

aquaticko

December 4th, 2011, 05:39 PM

korea2002

December 5th, 2011, 12:18 PM

Any news on Parc One? It's such a shame that the buildings were already starting to rise, and then they stopped Seoul's first supertall. But the fact that the cores are at the 6th floor makes me think that they will finish Parc One.

Unfortunately,there is any counter-good news since then.but,as your thought,parc1 will be finished by new scenario.

inno4321

December 6th, 2011, 08:41 AM

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4651/13152751.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/13152751.jpg/)
TODAY DREAM HUB'S 23 TOWER "Concept Design" CONFIRM!!!
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/194/20111206100609069821.jpg (http://img210.imageshack.us/i/20111206100609069821.jpg/)
^^:banana::banana:
IMO Adrian smith's work is normal too boring(no offense just my oppinon)
Today "Concept Design presentaion held in IBD office. Gathering all design company(Winy Mass,Adrian Smith etc)
During Past 3 months each design company work for 23 tower's basic shape.
Today they open finished result. With that result talk and communicated.
IBD going to confirm final design until march 2012 and detail design until september 2012.
timetable

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/1403/pyh2011120601050000300p.jpg (http://img847.imageshack.us/i/pyh2011120601050000300p.jpg/)
^^:banana::banana:
I love above MVRDV's building! Great netherlands Good job

Landmark tower is open today but this concept design is not make a public because DUE TO INCREASE HEIGHT FROM 480M TO 620M
Landmark tower's basic design is going to open in march 2012.

"We wil not make just simple business distric but to create like K-POP BOOMING architecture" said whom IBD concern.
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/3775/333kj.jpg (http://img810.imageshack.us/i/333kj.jpg/)
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5689/454ko.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/i/454ko.jpg/)
IBD concept design presentaion continue until 14. Dec. 2011

Varghedin

December 6th, 2011, 01:19 PM

Holy cow, Seoul is going all-out on this one.

KillerZavatar

December 6th, 2011, 02:20 PM

korea2002

December 6th, 2011, 02:30 PM

i would be really amazed if all of this woud become reality, yet i'm still doubtful, considering former projects that didn't become reality in seoul. But we will all keep an eye on this and i think with these projects not all starting at once, but having dates for them scattered over the next years it seems not too unrealistic. so go seoul :cheers:

Yeah youre right. But,further amazing issue is development districts in yongsan ibd.developer will launch and release most of yongsan construction project including landmark towers in next year. Manhattans dream in seoul will come true in reality. Im confident!

Rombar

December 6th, 2011, 02:35 PM

Very interesting towers and awesome master plan!

Kanto

December 6th, 2011, 03:05 PM

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/1403/pyh2011120601050000300p.jpg

This pic is eerily similar to this one:

http://0.tqn.com/d/architecture/1/5/Z/p/SouthTowerHit.jpg

A really bad design choice in my opinion :badnews:

patrykus

December 6th, 2011, 03:15 PM

Adrian Smith's 450m tower is really great. I hope the landmark tower will complement this style :cheers:

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/194/20111206100609069821.jpg

inno4321

December 7th, 2011, 02:57 PM

Holy cow, Seoul is going all-out on this one.
^^ yeap, one palce center of seoul so called "dreamhub"

i would be really amazed if all of this woud become reality, yet i'm still doubtful, considering former projects that didn't become reality in seoul. But we will all keep an eye on this and i think with these projects not all starting at once, but having dates for them scattered over the next years it seems not too unrealistic. so go seoul :cheers:
^^ Me too this project unbelivable huge. So i understood your opinions.:lol:

Very interesting towers and awesome master plan!
^^ you right

This pic is eerily similar to this one:
A really bad design choice in my opinion :badnews:
^^ Second thought 9/11 and these two cloud pixel tower is very similiar each other. i'm so sorry. probably not intentional design. :ohno:

Adrian Smith's 450m tower is really great. I hope the landmark tower will complement this style :cheers:

^^ thanks for your advise Second thought these towers also good. especially wave one thumbs up.

inno4321

December 7th, 2011, 02:58 PM

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/834/22697002.jpg (http://img829.imageshack.us/i/22697002.jpg/)
edited by inno4321
original photos from http://blog.paran.com/crane0020/41068396
Compare 63 building with IBS serise. you can easily estimated a scale of IBD.
My hearts beat for IBD.

KillerZavatar

December 8th, 2011, 12:41 AM

^^
that building looks a lot like the one in hanoi tbh

s.j.

December 8th, 2011, 09:08 AM

I have to say I'm disappointed. The architects that submitted their designs are hailed as some of the best designers of today, or in the very least they have built many skyscrapers. But their designs are really, at best, okay. There is absolutely nothing exceptional, and their design-acrobatics often result in clumsy shapes with little relation to the surroundings. It's as though someone is forcing them to do their job, and they're coming up with half-baked designs. It's just all so sloppy.

There's something good in all designs, but overall none are of an appropriate standard. I mean, this is an ENORMOUS PROJECT, and it requires an equally enormous effort. If they're not ready to put in the time, them, they should have the decency to step aside. I find it insulting that such a big project is being treated in this way by such eminent architectural firms (and this isn't the first time).

I feel as though they are hiding their lack of ideas behind overly organic, or technologically impressive buildings, that aren't really much in the way of architecture.
Whatever design is chosen NEEDS to both consider it's surroundings, and to balance the organic trends with something more sombre and appropriate, given that this isn't merely one building, but a whole set of them. And I don't feel that ANY of these designs take the local design traditions and historic architectural tastes into consideration. None of the designs (apart from perhaps the 'golden tear drop' (I don't know who designed it), which could be interpreted as (probably unintentionally) recalling Korean porcelain shapes) seem to adopt anything from the local culture (or ANY culture). I am SO sick of those 'famous architects' coming up with absolutely average and stupendously organic or angular 'modern' designs, whose only 'value' is the ability to stun the architecturally illiterate, and getting their designs approved by politicians (even if there are 'independent' bodies, we all know how it works). I'm not an architect, but I know what is good architecture, and what isn't. Good design is as much dependent on the right location, as it is on the design itself. Organic super 'futuristic' design is okay, but usually only something that adds 'spice'. Rarely does it look good in large quantities, as here.

This location is too good, and too important, for the design not to be perfect. I think it means too much to Seoul.

s.j.

December 8th, 2011, 09:27 AM

Renzo Piano's design is really ugly.(the one on the left)
It doesn't fit Seoul or Korea image at all.
It looks like an image from the cartoon for children as a villain's evil tower. :ohno:

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5144/20111128002170.jpg

AMEN! The design isn't necessarily 'ugly', but it is at the very best average, and entirely unexceptional. I was worried that this would happen the very moment they started going all 'organic', 'angular' and 'modern'. Now I see it. Current skyscraper architects are surely the most unexceptional and average lot in the architect world. How ANYONE can design such a HUGE building, knowing that they really aren't giving it their all, is beyond me. And they must know it. It seems that to them technology+engineering+ spaghetti waves=good architecture. It DOES NOT. These designs have no soul, and are not at all iconic. It seems to me like they took absolutely nothing into consideration. The designs are just too average.

The local culture needs to be taken into consideration, and when a building is THIS big, it CAN NOT looks like a spaceship or a star fiction alien world! It needs to be more humble and more human. This has no humility, it is average, it is too science fiction-like, it is in many ways ugly, and will be an eyesore to all who still value humanity and good design.

These designers are too arrogant and too careless, and their tirade of average needs to be stopped.

ganghui

December 8th, 2011, 09:56 AM

TheZoolooMaster

December 8th, 2011, 10:45 AM

AMEN! The design isn't necessarily 'ugly', but it is at the very best average, and entirely unexceptional. I was worried that this would happen the very moment they started going all 'organic', 'angular' and 'modern'. Now I see it. Current skyscraper architects are surely the most unexceptional and average lot in the architect world. How ANYONE can design such a HUGE building, knowing that they really aren't giving it their all, is beyond me. And they must know it. It seems that to them technology+engineering+ spaghetti waves=good architecture. It DOES NOT. These designs have no soul, and are not at all iconic. It seems to me like they took absolutely nothing into consideration. The designs are just too average.

The local culture needs to be taken into consideration, and when a building is THIS big, it CAN NOT looks like a spaceship or a star fiction alien world! It needs to be more humble and more human. This has no humility, it is average, it is too science fiction-like, it is in many ways ugly, and will be an eyesore to all who still value humanity and good design.

These designers are too arrogant and too careless, and their tirade of average needs to be stopped.

Actually it seems to me that they take so much more into consideration than you do, which limits the possibilities of architectural exploration. Get real! Look at the Burj Khalifa -- its design is essentially a result of gravity; if this building goes through, it will be one of the tallest in the world, and how do you want the architects to cover all the grounds in terms of safety, sustainability, longevity, practicality and liveability?
In any case, I for one think that the Dream Hub cluster is probably the most exceptional project under way (fingers crossed that it will happen), you've just got a very personal aesthetic preference.

inno4321

December 9th, 2011, 04:42 PM

MRDV APOLOGIZE TO USA
http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/9179/dsdk.png (http://img848.imageshack.us/i/dsdk.png/)
http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/508/fc030d16ae2a7927e344001.jpg (http://img542.imageshack.us/i/fc030d16ae2a7927e344001.jpg/)
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4188/asdassd.png (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/asdassd.png/)
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1369/dasdadsn.png (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/dasdadsn.png/)
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3817/sdsdsdf.png (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/sdsdsdf.png/)
^^ above ground shape is very normal disappointed.:ohno:
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3428/retrt.png (http://img72.imageshack.us/i/retrt.png/)
http://www.mvrdv.nl/#/news

MVRDV designs The Cloud: two connected luxury residential towers in Seoul, Korea
(Yongsan, 7th of December 2011) Yongsan Dream Hub corporation presented today the MVRDV designed residential development of the Yongsan Business district: two connected luxury residential high-rises. A 260 meter tall tower and a 300 meter tall tower are connected in the centre by a pixelated cloud of additional program offering amenities and outside spaces with wide views. The towers with a total surface of 128,000m2 are expected to be completed in 2015.
The two towers are positioned at the entrance of the Yongsan Dreamhub project, a master plan designed by Studio Libeskind, extending the business district of the South Korean capital Seoul. The southern tower reaches a height of 260 meters with 54 floors, the northern tower 300 meters with 60 floors. Halfway, at the level of the 27th floor the cloud is positioned, a 10 floor tall pixelated volume, connecting the two towers. The cloud differentiates the project from other luxury developments, it moves the plinth upwards and makes space on ground floor level for public gardens, designed by Martha Schwartz.
Usually a high-rise adds little to the immediate surrounding city life, by integrating public program to the cloud the typology adds in a more social way to the city. Inside the cloud, besides the residential function, 14,357m2 of amenities are located: the sky lounge - a large connecting atrium, a wellness centre, conference centre, fitness studio, various pools, restaurants and cafes. On top of the cloud are a series of public and private outside spaces, patios, decks, gardens and pools. To allow fast access the cloud is accessible by special express elevators.
The luxurious apartments range from 80m2 to 260m2 of which some offer
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8172/79290625.png (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/79290625.png/)
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/9895/63083324.png (http://img856.imageshack.us/i/63083324.png/)

inno4321

December 9th, 2011, 04:59 PM

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/4099/32334.png (http://img845.imageshack.us/i/32334.png/)
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/does-this-design-of-two-towers-remind-you-of-anything/
^^ Building is just design. :bash:
This is absolutuly truth that S.korea is bloody-alliance with USA.
With out USA no more s.korea existence and safety.
s.korean appreciated to usa.
But building is just architec. So don't missunderstood.

aquaticko

December 9th, 2011, 05:40 PM

^^I didn't notice the resemblance until it was pointed out, and I don't at all question the fact that the designers didn't come up with this design with 9/11 in mind. This is basically just a unique interpretation of a skybridge, and I think it looks amazing.

I may be an American, but I know better than to think that 9/11 was the worst catastrophe in history. It was awful, it happened; the best thing to do is move on.

Anywho...is the 620m tower design coming out later this month or early next year? I'm so anxious to see it; it seems like this whole project is a big opportunity for Seoul to finally bring in some really architectually-interesting buildings.

Kanto

December 9th, 2011, 06:03 PM

I don't think the architect wanted to make a 9/11 statue outta these buildings but fact is he did. I posted the eerie resemblance before this article was posted cause 9/11 was the first thing that came to my mind when I first saw those buildings. It's just eeire, very eerie :badnews:

http://europe-virtual.com/img/22/22c/9_11_WTC_South_Tower_Plane_Crash.jpg

This picture is nearly identical to the one from that article :badnews:

patrykus

December 9th, 2011, 06:26 PM

And I for one love it. It is ugly building yes, but this living space made in the clouds wow :nuts: Living there will be crazy experience for the chosen ones :cheers:

Anywho...is the 620m tower design coming out later this month or early next year? I'm so anxious to see it; it seems like this whole project is a big opportunity for Seoul to finally bring in some really architectually-interesting buildings.

Landmark tower is open today but this concept design is not make a public because DUE TO INCREASE HEIGHT FROM 480M TO 620M
Landmark tower's basic design is going to open in march 2012.

Varghedin

December 9th, 2011, 08:17 PM

I wish you hadn't posted that picture Kanto, because now I can't see anything else when I look at those buildings.

The inside is pretty crazy though, isn't it? It has a fricking street down the middle!

Ellatur

December 10th, 2011, 05:25 AM

inno4321

December 10th, 2011, 08:05 AM

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/5223/mvrdvthecloud2.jpg (http://img834.imageshack.us/i/mvrdvthecloud2.jpg/)
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/2338/mvrdvthecloud3.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/mvrdvthecloud3.jpg/)
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1374/mvrdvthecloud4.jpg (http://img819.imageshack.us/i/mvrdvthecloud4.jpg/)
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4230/mvrdvthecloud5.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/i/mvrdvthecloud5.jpg/)
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8095/mvrdvthecloud6.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/mvrdvthecloud6.jpg/)
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1791/mvrdvthecloud7.jpg (http://img507.imageshack.us/i/mvrdvthecloud7.jpg/)
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8835/mvrdvthecloud8.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/mvrdvthecloud8.jpg/)
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8121/mvrdvthecloud9.jpg (http://img194.imageshack.us/i/mvrdvthecloud9.jpg/)
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6981/mvrdvthecloud10.jpg (http://img440.imageshack.us/i/mvrdvthecloud10.jpg/)
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7982/mvrdvthecloud11.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/i/mvrdvthecloud11.jpg/)
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6498/mvrdvthecloud1.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/mvrdvthecloud1.jpg/)
copyrights belong to mrdv of netherlands

aquaticko

December 10th, 2011, 09:22 AM

So what's the status on this controversial building? Is it definitely part of the final design, or just a proposed part of it? If it's definitely going to be built, it should be moved to another thread, as should any other future tower that don't belong specifically to the Triple One project. The Yongsan Dreamhub is now just a name given to the redevelopment of Yongsan-gu; these threads ought to change as the projects within that redevelopment do. Not complaining by any means, just saying.

korea2002

December 10th, 2011, 09:47 AM

korea2002

December 10th, 2011, 09:52 AM

There is good news for me. My laptop will be broght to my home today. I am planning to write new threads and rearrange former threads today. Especially,i will make two threads about yongsan development.
These are yongsan clouds and yongsan boutique office tower.

s.j.

December 10th, 2011, 11:07 AM

Actually it seems to me that they take so much more into consideration than you do, which limits the possibilities of architectural exploration. Get real! Look at the Burj Khalifa -- its design is essentially a result of gravity; if this building goes through, it will be one of the tallest in the world, and how do you want the architects to cover all the grounds in terms of safety, sustainability, longevity, practicality and liveability?
In any case, I for one think that the Dream Hub cluster is probably the most exceptional project under way (fingers crossed that it will happen), you've just got a very personal aesthetic preference.

Was I complaining about that specific design? And if super-tall design is so limited by safety and other requirements, perhaps it should tell them that building that tall isn't something we're ready for.

It seems to me that all you care about is how tall it is. Well, sorry, but architecture is about more than size. If an architect can't meet all the requirements, he or she shouldn't be an architect. No one said that it's easy. And besides, it whole teams that work on this, not one architect.

s.j.

December 10th, 2011, 11:36 AM

Whats wrong with sci-fi like? It's 2011 and hitech, neon, electro and all that shit is all hyped again, just like it was decades ago. Seoul is already like one big spacepark so I’d say its very fitting – and cool as hell.

Neon's been around for a century. It's hardly sci-fi. Regardless, that's not what I meant at all. All I was saying is that architecture on such a big scale needs to be sensitive to it's surroundings. It's can't be something that appeals only to those that wish to fly around in a spaceship; It needs to appeal to many, and be comfortable.
Look at some historic examples of architecture that verges on sci-fi (by which I mean extremely unconventional and entirely focused on organic or angular forms). It's okay on small scale, and added as 'spice'. But on large scale, it's hard to live in. I'm NOT saying that these proposals are quite that bad, but they're not far off. And another thing, I think that it's never a good idea to have a single architect (or architectural firm) design a whole city (this is so big, that it's practically a whole neighbourhood). It rarely works, and you can tell something is missing. It's unnatural, and these no spontaneity.

So, in this case, I think that it's a bad idea to resort to a design that has a set of buildings of similar design, and varying in little more that size.. I think this should be the work of a few architects, who work together to bring some cohesion to the overall design. The layout looks good, but I'm really not sure about the buildings themselves.

As for Seoul being a space-park, it really isn't. That's just one part of it's identity. It's all about the layers (traditional, modern, poor, rich), and I find beauty even in some not classically beautiful areas. The power-lines on top, small winding alleys.

I guess my main complaint is that most of the designs don't feel like Seoul. The buildings could be anywhere. I think a little bit more of straight lines and detail is more characteristic of East Asian modern architecture. This is very... international, and not really 'finished', in my opinion. The feel of the Cocoon tower, for example, seems to me more appropriate. And the golden elongated tear-drop-like design above isn't bad, but the surrounding building are a little less impressive...

s.j.

December 10th, 2011, 11:46 AM

i hope they change the design of that building... people are gonna continuously bring up that similarity, and the blocky design doesnt go well with the curvy design of other surrounding proposed buildings either

I think the design is excellent, but it probably needs some work... You're right, it doesn't really fit in, but that to me is more of a reason to change the other building, rather than this one. I think the final design should be made to look like the building were build separately, and not all at once. Right now most of the buildings in the individual proposals really look like they were done by the same person, and that just doesn't look good. I think there should be more designers, working within some perimeters to ensure there is some cohesion between the buildings. That way it would look better, to me at least...

Kanto

December 10th, 2011, 11:53 AM

aquaticko

December 10th, 2011, 07:10 PM

korea2002

December 10th, 2011, 07:52 PM

s.j.

December 11th, 2011, 09:31 AM

Internationalism, if it's not, ought to be a new school of architecture. Just like any other post-modernist design, the focus is on the buildings, not the place that they're in. Whether or not that's to your liking is one thing, but South Korea, and Seoul in particular, wants very badly to become more international (at least in the easy ways; xenophobia is still pretty common, in my experience). So it makes sense to have a development that will have people from China, Dubai, the U.S., England, etc., feel as if they're in familiar surroundings.

In any case, very little of what we've seen so far is guaranteed to be the final design, so wait to make a judgement until we've seen what's going to be built.

P.S.- korea2002 화이팅!!!

'Internationalism' is nothing new. You know those 'commie' blocs everyone is criticising, and most hate? They were part the first wave of internationalism. I actually don't hate them as much as most, but even I don't advocate preserving any more of them than is necessary. An architectural design that completely ignored not only the cultural landscape, but often also the climate of the country concerned. It resulted in unnatural, soul-sucking spaces that answered none of the requirements.

And the idea that not being yourself makes you more international is nothing more than a foul remnant of colonial and imperialist times, that I hope will disappear. Destroying what makes us unique DOES NOT bring 'world peace'. These are stupid utopian ideas with no basis in reality.

All 'internationalism' of that sort brings is a whole lot of disillusion and even more hatred. We need to preserve what we are, while not hating and respecting others, and accepting parts of other cultures on our terms. That's the true path to peace and respect. Because removing differences does not remove hatred. Those who hate will always find reason to hate (in other words, the fault is at the core, not on the surface).

That's why I think that local culture is important. No one is saying that we should resort to some faux-traditional styles, just that mindless acceptance of everything isn't the answer either. And besides, looking 'international' was far from my main concern..

inno4321

December 11th, 2011, 09:32 AM

감사요 ^^ 한국말 하시는가봐요 ^^
^^ I'm so sorry korea2002.
I make a new thread. I'm waiting all day what first you make ....but not yet ...so i did. Aways respect to your enthusiasm.
Rgards yours :)

s.j.

December 11th, 2011, 09:52 AM

^^ In my opinion all of the problems you mentioned above can be put into one single word .... Libeskind!

Most buildings in that huge cluster look identical to each other and identical to what he proposed at the World Trade Center (fortunately his proposal of the buuildings was dropped in that case). He either creates something chaoticaly curvy or his signature tappering roof skyscraper, or a combination of both. He also always makes sure that none of the buildings is dominating by placing similary sized buildings arround it. In my opinion the less Libeskind in that project the better :doh::puke:

Don't get me wrong. I'm not normally this critical, and I would never criticise another's work so strongly, but there is nothing normal about this. this isn't some house, or a small office block. This is practically a whole city, and it really can't be treated so sloppily.

You're right, Libeskind's design is just horrible. Too much replication, to many wrong ideas, too much average.. If it was some small project, fine, but this is HUGE. Even in Seoul, a city so huge, and with so many different centres (in most cities you have one centre, and houses elsewhere. In Seoul it feels like you are in the city no matter where you are), a project like this is bound to make an impact. That is why it can't be just 'okay' or average (and some of these designs are below average). I can't understand why Libeskind doesn't realise that a project like this needs a centre-peace. It needs a focal point to have an impact (and it needs to have an impact; that's practically the whole point of the project), and this just looks like a cluster of clones and mini-clones.

I agree, less Libeskind=good. I also think that not too much of one person=good. It just look so artificial when only one person does it. I don't think it's ever worked, to be honest..

And another thing that makes me angry is that many (if not all) of the proposals seem to come from those big architectural firms (they're the architectural equivalent of those big multinationals).. I mean, that's okay in some ways, they have a lot experience and resources, but it also results in very mass-produced looking architecture. I see very little variation in some of their designs... And I feel that other architects, whose proposals might even be better than these, are ignored because these companies and architects are such 'big names'. It might not be the case, but I can't believe that these are the top proposals...

ANYWAY, I do hope something get's built. There have been so many proposals for Seoul, but the financial crisis has been causing problems..

inno4321

December 11th, 2011, 11:23 AM

Don't get me wrong. I'm not normally this critical, and I would never criticise another's work so strongly, but there is nothing normal about this. this isn't some house, or a small office block. This is practically a whole city, and it really can't be treated so sloppily.

You're right, Libeskind's design is just horrible. Too much replication, to many wrong ideas, too much average.. If it was some small project, fine, but this is HUGE. Even in Seoul, a city so huge, and with so many different centres (in most cities you have one centre, and houses elsewhere. In Seoul it feels like you are in the city no matter where you are), a project like this is bound to make an impact. That is why it can't be just 'okay' or average (and some of these designs are below average). I can't understand why Libeskind doesn't realise that a project like this needs a centre-peace. It needs a focal point to have an impact (and it needs to have an impact; that's practically the whole point of the project), and this just looks like a cluster of clones and mini-clones.

I agree, less Libeskind=good. I also think that not too much of one person=good. It just look so artificial when only one person does it. I don't think it's ever worked, to be honest..

And another thing that makes me angry is that many (if not all) of the proposals seem to come from those big architectural firms (they're the architectural equivalent of those big multinationals).. I mean, that's okay in some ways, they have a lot experience and resources, but it also results in very mass-produced looking architecture. I see very little variation in some of their designs... And I feel that other architects, whose proposals might even be better than these, are ignored because these companies and architects are such 'big names'. It might not be the case, but I can't believe that these are the top proposals...

ANYWAY, I do hope something get's built. There have been so many proposals for Seoul, but the financial crisis has been causing problems..

I agree with you big global worldwide architecture firm is like a "mass-produced looking architecture". I think like a mass copy car.
That is weak point of big firm such like a adrian, daniel, piano etc.

But i expect some kind of creative and innovative design. Because IBD is center of seoul and is going to symbol of seoul like pari effiel tower, sydnye opera house,

By the way IBD's design amount is 77% belong to korea architecture firm(samoo, heerim ect). 33% belong to foreign(adrian, lenzo piano)

korea2002

December 11th, 2011, 11:38 AM

^^ I'm so sorry korea2002.
I make a new thread. I'm waiting all day what first you make ....but not yet ...so i did. Aways respect to your enthusiasm.
Rgards yours :)

No thanks. thank you for knowing my Enthusiasm. ^^ but,I think,Why don't you change new threads about Yongsan IBD?

Seoul - Yongsan Boutique Office Tower
Seoul - Yongsan Clouds

is it okay?

Regards inno4321

s.j.

December 11th, 2011, 03:22 PM

I agree with you big global worldwide architecture firm is like a "mass-produced looking architecture". I think like a mass copy car.
That is weak point of big firm such like a adrian, daniel, piano etc.

But i expect some kind of creative and innovative design. Because IBD is center of seoul and is going to symbol of seoul like pari effiel tower, sydnye opera house,

By the way IBD's design amount is 77% belong to korea architecture firm(samoo, heerim ect). 33% belong to foreign(adrian, lenzo piano)

Exactly, it's too commercial. That's just how those big companies operate. They try to be appealing to all, and end up not being appealing to anyone.

I agree that more Korean architects need to be involved, but I don't think that ratio is right. I don't think there should be a ratio. I think good design should come first, and simply being from a big company shouldn't guaranty a proposal's success. Look at all the 'top proposals'. They're almost all from rather big and/or established architects, and I don't think that it's simply a coincidence. I may be wrong, but it seems to me as though their big names played a big part in their success in this project...

Also, I agree that this is a project of ENORMOUS importance to Seoul. These building will become a permanent and prominent feature of Seoul's skyline, and that alone is reason enough to be extremely picky.

aquaticko

December 11th, 2011, 04:07 PM

s.j.

December 11th, 2011, 05:03 PM

^^I would only recommend that temper your disappointment a bit; look at the vast majority of other skyscrapers, not only in Seoul, but throughout most of South Korea. There's very little that's very innovative. And most Korean architectual firms operate, well, like you'd expect any organization that exists to make a profit (you can hardly blame the Seoul metropolitan government and various other companies that have invested some 20 billion USD for behaving the same way). They create very safe proposals that they know will sell easily once built because they're basically vanilla pudding. If you want to know what the product of the vast majority of those firms look like, I suggest you trawl around some of the various Korean skyscraper projects that have not been picked up to get a feel of what I'm talking about.

And I agree with you that it'd be nice to see a bit of whatever Korean/modern fusion architecture would look like. But then...what would that look like? The building closest to what I'd picture is something like Taipei 101, basically a giant pagoda. That's the difficulty in trying to bring any non-Western influence into what is essentially a Western invention. It's hard to do so without it ending up looking either repetitive or contrived. And going down the other route of just using modern/post-modern architecture as interpreted by a Korean, I'd look at Mass Studies (their website is quite good). They have a lot of very unique proposals, many of which I think are very neat, but how might one pull the "Korean-ness" out of them to see what that is?

I agree that in many cases, the focus in cities around the world on height in order to draw attention has negative consequences for architecture, and I'd far rather have Seoul build a few dozen shorter but exquisitely-designed towers that keep it from seeming nouveau-riche, but the priorities for this project are what they are. There's not much we can do about that.

I don't quite get the point. I wasn't criticising Korean companies, I was criticising the multinationals (or big enough to be the architectural equivalent of a multinational) for not being sensitive to the requirements of the project (or, to make it more politically correct, my personal opinion of what the requirements are, or should be).

I don't agree that skyscrapers are a 'western thing', nor am I only saying this in relation to Korea. I would be just as critical if these were proposals for New York. New York has a certain cultural and urban character that would be harmed by massive scale infusion of a radically different architectural form (namely blobs and spaghetti-stile spires of some of these proposals). So does Seoul, and many other places.

Korean-ness, or any other x-ness, is not solely about some faux-traditional-meets-modern architecture. It's about spaces, colours, arrangements, details. No one is saying that Korean, or for that matter American, or anything else, is that which is purely and solely 'native' (whatever that might be). The international style of today is everyone's, and what might make it local is how it responds to the environment. Look at Sears tower. There's nothing that makes it really specifically 'American', is there. I'm not saying that it's an architectural masterpiece, but at least the architect looked around, realised that straight lines were a better idea that curves, took many things into consideration, and came up with a reasonably-fitting structure.

Here I'm pretty much shocked by the most basic 'line choice', let alone the rest. It doesn't respond to the surroundings, and that is what makes it look alien (not the absence of a hanok-style roof).

I don't think that the skyscrapers make Seoul look 'nouveau-riche', nor do I see skyscrapers as solely a status symbol, not that that is such a deadly sin, either. This project is, of course, about more than just providing office, shopping or living space. It should be about beautifying the city, and adding to the city's identity (and it's not up to the developer to decide if they want that. It's too big for a developer to decide 'I don't care if it's ugly'), just as the skyscrapers of New York, or the Haussmann's rebuilding of Paris, or the Bund in Shanghai, added to, or even created, the identities of those cities.

When you build this big, you are doing more that creating space, you are reshaping the city's whole skyline. It's not like an ugly house that is invisible once you leave the street. If this is built ugly, it will remain ugly, and be visible from practically every angle, forever scaring every view, every photo, every postcard.

Sorry for typing so much..

Kanto

December 11th, 2011, 05:44 PM

aquaticko

December 11th, 2011, 07:19 PM

I don't quite get the point. I wasn't criticising Korean companies, I was criticising the multinationals (or big enough to be the architectural equivalent of a multinational) for not being sensitive to the requirements of the project (or, to make it more politically correct, my personal opinion of what the requirements are, or should be).

I don't agree that skyscrapers are a 'western thing', nor am I only saying this in relation to Korea. I would be just as critical if these were proposals for New York. New York has a certain cultural and urban character that would be harmed by massive scale infusion of a radically different architectural form (namely blobs and spaghetti-stile spires of some of these proposals). So does Seoul, and many other places.

Korean-ness, or any other x-ness, is not solely about some faux-traditional-meets-modern architecture. It's about spaces, colours, arrangements, details. No one is saying that Korean, or for that matter American, or anything else, is that which is purely and solely 'native' (whatever that might be). The international style of today is everyone's, and what might make it local is how it responds to the environment. Look at Sears tower. There's nothing that makes it really specifically 'American', is there. I'm not saying that it's an architectural masterpiece, but at least the architect looked around, realised that straight lines were a better idea that curves, took many things into consideration, and came up with a reasonably-fitting structure.

Here I'm pretty much shocked by the most basic 'line choice', let alone the rest. It doesn't respond to the surroundings, and that is what makes it look alien (not the absence of a hanok-style roof).

I don't think that the skyscrapers make Seoul look 'nouveau-riche', nor do I see skyscrapers as solely a status symbol, not that that is such a deadly sin, either. This project is, of course, about more than just providing office, shopping or living space. It should be about beautifying the city, and adding to the city's identity (and it's not up to the developer to decide if they want that. It's too big for a developer to decide 'I don't care if it's ugly'), just as the skyscrapers of New York, or the Haussmann's rebuilding of Paris, or the Bund in Shanghai, added to, or even created, the identities of those cities.

When you build this big, you are doing more that creating space, you are reshaping the city's whole skyline. It's not like an ugly house that is invisible once you leave the street. If this is built ugly, it will remain ugly, and be visible from practically every angle, forever scaring every view, every photo, every postcard.

Sorry for typing so much....(Not at all; it's nice to talk.)

Well, it seems to me, then, as though you might be complaining less than you think. Besides, what does it really mean for a building to "respond" to its surroundings?

I think what I said in my first response to you probably best sums up the problem.
a. Yongsan-gu is essentially being totally remade from below-ground up. Unless you're talking about the city as a whole, it hasn't got an environment to respond to.
b. Seoul is often, sometimes unfairly but not wrongly, criticized for not having any particularly defining traits or areas, save perhaps for Gangnam, the 63 Building or Namsan Tower.

That's another reason why I absolutely agree with the importance you ascribe to this project. This isn't just "a" project in Seoul, it is the project, and will probably be Seoul's trademark panorama shot for decades to come. Which is why you ought to understand the why development company went to big name architects; it wanted to make sure that they got this design from someone with a reputation for good design, whether or not the reputation is deserved. If the design firm chosen proceeded to make something subpar, that's another issue. And it's worth noting again that we've seen very few of the 50+ towers that are going to be built.

CULWULLA

December 11th, 2011, 11:42 PM

this is now a megatall
https://store.ctbuh.org/p-91-future-tallest-20-in-2020.aspx

s.j.

December 12th, 2011, 08:01 AM

Well, it seems to me, then, as though you might be complaining less than you think. Besides, what does it really mean for a building to "respond" to its surroundings?

I think what I said in my first response to you probably best sums up the problem.
a. Yongsan-gu is essentially being totally remade from below-ground up. Unless you're talking about the city as a whole, it hasn't got an environment to respond to.
b. Seoul is often, sometimes unfairly but not wrongly, criticized for not having any particularly defining traits or areas, save perhaps for Gangnam, the 63 Building or Namsan Tower.

That's another reason why I absolutely agree with the importance you ascribe to this project. This isn't just "a" project in Seoul, it is the project, and will probably be Seoul's trademark panorama shot for decades to come. Which is why you ought to understand the why development company went to big name architects; it wanted to make sure that they got this design from someone with a reputation for good design, whether or not the reputation is deserved. If the design firm chosen proceeded to make something subpar, that's another issue. And it's worth noting again that we've seen very few of the 50+ towers that are going to be built.

By 'respond' I mean take into consideration it's surroundings, and the city's character.

a)Yongsan-gu is having a large portion remade, but that portion isn't the whole area. And besides, Yongsan-gu is part of Seoul. Unless these buildings become invisible once you leave Yongsan-gu, which they don't, the architects do have to take the city's character into consideration.

b)It might be criticised, but I actually love Seoul for that very fact. It isn't a city with one big centre, and nothing but living space outside it. It's a city with a more 'spread' plan. Many cities have literally nothing once you leave the immediate centre, but Seoul does. That is part of it's character, and part of it's charm, and it shouldn't be mindlessly altered just because it's not 'like other cities'.

This is certainly an important project, put to me it's much more so because of the skyline, than because it creates space Seoul is missing. I know that many might be underwhelmed by some of Seoul's older towers, but I actually REALLY like the atmosphere they create, and I would hate it if those in power chose an excessively organic/spaghetti-like design, which would clash with what is already there.

Imagine Burj Khalifa in in Tokyo, or Hong Kong? It would look absolutely horrible, and it's the same with some of these designs.

That is why I'm put off by what seems to be excessive emphasis on big names. I would love to see some more original and appropriate designs, no matter who they come from, but I'm afraid that a big name will be chosen no matter what...

Anyway, let's hope for the best :)

s.j.

December 12th, 2011, 08:13 AM

I agree with you folks that a skyscraper must be designed as a balance between the modern and the traditional. While a skyscraper should be as dominating as possible, it's design should not be very different from the design of the smaller buildings arround it. I don't think this is a matter of nationalities or culture, but more like a matter of the cities themselves. For example the Burj Khalifa, while an incredibly beautiful building would look completely alien in New York of Shanghai but it looks good in Dubai.

One thing I would like to mention is that the tallest building in a city gets more design freedom because it is the most important factor determining what is alien and what not in a skyline, though not the only factor. However, if you have other, older tall buildings arround the range of possible designs that are not alien decreases.

As I mentioned in my first sentence, a carefull balance between modern and traditional has to be maintained in a building. If an architect focuses only on being traditional, he will make an ugly kitsch like ugly Abby in Mecca. On the other hand if he focuses only on being modern he will make an even far uglier abomination like the Slaughterhotel in Pyongyang. Both of these buildings are incredibly ugly and completely alien in their citie's skylines.

As a final note I'd like to post my opinion about what way should Seoul's architecture look like. Atm Seoul has none really tall buildings so the current projects will estabilishe what style's the city gonna pick. The most important style direction giving building is in my opinion gonna be the Lotte Super Tower because it's the first one to rise. I think the buildings in this complex should try to look similar to the Super Tower in order to create something that is a true signature of Seoul. And it should be noted that the Super tower is one of the best designs I ever saw so I think if Seoul's gonna go this way it will look very good :cheers:

I agree with what you're saying. This is an INCREDIBLY important project, and one that will inevitably dictate future Seoul skyline development (assuming they don't want things to clash), but I ABSOLUTELY disagree with the assessment that Seoul is somehow a 'blank slate', because it might not have existing supertalls (which few cities do). By that logic you could build anything in the older quarters Paris, because most of the structures there are not skyscrapers. OF COURSE, that isn't the case, and it's the same here. Every city, every culture, has it's own brand of modern, and you simply can't 'drop' just any design. I'm not saying I have a definitive solution, but I feel that the designs all have SOMETHING that makes them not quite right. I think they need more clean lines, because at this point they seem... experimental. And you simply don't experiment on SUCH a big scale.

Yeah, faux-traditional style isn't good, but I don't mind it in small doses. It can give some 'spice' when done right. Any style can be nice if done right, and I just don't think these designs are 'right'. They may look beautiful in some ways, but I'm worried, that's all...

inno4321

December 12th, 2011, 10:59 AM

I agree with what you're saying. This is an INCREDIBLY important project, and one that will inevitably dictate future Seoul skyline development (assuming they don't want things to clash), but I ABSOLUTELY disagree with the assessment that Seoul is somehow a 'blank slate', because it might not have existing supertalls (which few cities do). By that logic you could build anything in the older quarters Paris, because most of the structures there are not skyscrapers. OF COURSE, that isn't the case, and it's the same here. Every city, every culture, has it's own brand of modern, and you simply can't 'drop' just any design. I'm not saying I have a definitive solution, but I feel that the designs all have SOMETHING that makes them not quite right. I think they need more clean lines, because at this point they seem... experimental. And you simply don't experiment on SUCH a big scale.

Yeah, faux-traditional style isn't good, but I don't mind it in small doses. It can give some 'spice' when done right. Any style can be nice if done right, and I just don't think these designs are 'right'. They may look beautiful in some ways, but I'm worried, that's all...

^^Dear s.j.
I read your above all comment.
I'm deeply aapreciated for your "enthusiasm":applause:
I hope dream hub and seoul goverment accept your advise. Thanks for your precious comment

inno4321

December 12th, 2011, 11:05 AM

ASYMPTOTE+ DESIGNBOOM
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/4870/9yongsan1.jpg (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/9yongsan1.jpg/)

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2212/9yongsan6.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/9yongsan6.jpg/)
http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/4192/9yongsan7.jpg (http://img830.imageshack.us/i/9yongsan7.jpg/)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2035/9yongsan2.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/i/9yongsan2.jpg/)
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1503/9yongsan3.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/i/9yongsan3.jpg/)
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/522/9yongsan8.jpg (http://img834.imageshack.us/i/9yongsan8.jpg/)
http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/5701/9yongsan9.jpg (http://img860.imageshack.us/i/9yongsan9.jpg/)
copyright http://adamkoogler.com/index.php?/projects/yongsan/
old proposal

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7969/yongsanibdkoreadanielli.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/yongsanibdkoreadanielli.jpg/)
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2759/qq1a3qd3si38jx52.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/i/qq1a3qd3si38jx52.jpg/)
copyright http://archinect.com/people/project/14940421/yongsan-international-business-district/14944027#1
old proposal (Before Landmark tower height changed from 480m to 620m)
So out of date master plan.

s.j.

December 12th, 2011, 05:43 PM

^^Dear s.j.
I read your above all comment.
I'm deeply aapreciated for your "enthusiasm":applause:
I hope dream hub and seoul goverment accept your advise. Thanks for your precious comment

Thanks ^^

They might, but there are probably many smarter people they should listen to, haha. I just hope they act wisely, and don't go for something too extreme, but not something boring either. And I hope they hurry up, I want to see it :)

aquaticko

December 12th, 2011, 05:50 PM

^^All agreed on all of this.

s.j.

December 12th, 2011, 06:00 PM

inno4321

December 13th, 2011, 08:09 AM

Re: Asymptote.

On it's own, the main building actually does look good, but when you add the other buildings it starts to look too.. staged. I think that the likelihood of a whole neighbourhood that is designed in one go, ending up looking good, is low. A city needs more spontaneity (coupled with MANY other things), or it ends up looking like an architectural equivalent of a mad scientist's experiment. I would strongly recommend getting MORE than one architectural company (or architect) to work on the design. That can replicate the natural spontaneity of non-planned, but doesn't risk replicating the negative side effects of organic urban development.

Back to the big tower: I'm worried about how the elevators will operate... And the base of the building is quite big.. I guess it's okay because it's the main tower, and the area is being built at once, but big bases are not usually a good idea. It's a waste of valuable space...

Nevertheless Asymptote is my best IBD master plan. IN MY OPINIONS MORE THAN DANIEL'S ARCHIAPELAGO 21.:)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2055/aerialfromriver01previe.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/aerialfromriver01previe.jpg/)
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5990/aerialdownriver01previe.jpg (http://img84.imageshack.us/i/aerialdownriver01previe.jpg/)
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/9232/b63nightprev2.jpg (http://img833.imageshack.us/i/b63nightprev2.jpg/)
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5007/dsc0096iu.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/i/dsc0096iu.jpg/)
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2448/dsc0101ci.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/dsc0101ci.jpg/)
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7398/dsc0244p.jpg (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/dsc0244p.jpg/)
http://fullagarch.visualsociety.com/2010/08/02/dreamhub-yongsan-ibd/dsc_0244/
New master plan is really sxxx.
It is representative of disorder seoul's landscape. I'd like to called it "dream ugly hub" I can not understand why they make like this ~~~

inno4321

December 14th, 2011, 06:48 AM

Today IBD's concept design final presentaion held in seoul convention center. Especially LA CITY mayor mr biyalarigosa is going to participated in presentaion for encourage "architect firm who belong to LA city.
Probably today IBD's all concept design will be public. But i'm not sure.:)

korea2002

December 14th, 2011, 02:46 PM

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1866/13c21.jpg

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/5425/13c21dfds.jpg

Enjoy 23 Yongsan IBD Architect's world!

inno4321

December 15th, 2011, 06:19 AM

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/6643/20684182.png (http://img705.imageshack.us/i/20684182.png/)
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1724/201112150001470.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/i/201112150001470.jpg/)
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6602/201112150001480.jpg (http://img33.imageshack.us/i/201112150001480.jpg/)
Seoul IBD(international business district) underground Retail Valley
Completed in 2016
design by 5+design(usa) Gensler
contain an area 300,000㎡
IN MY OPINIONS ==> :ohno:

inno4321

December 15th, 2011, 06:28 AM

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/987/20111215093248167922200.jpg (http://img832.imageshack.us/i/20111215093248167922200.jpg/)
http://www.etoday.co.kr/news/section/newsview.php?TM=news&SM=2402&idxno=518716
another angle
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8933/569981055033661683.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/569981055033661683.jpg/)
http://www.asiatoday.co.kr/news/view.asp?seq=569981
land mark tower is rocket shape? without spires?
Yesterday LA mayor visited to IBD presentaion. Because IBD retail valley design by "5+design" which company is LA locate firm. Foever21 interestin to retail valley.
And other LA company interesting about IBD project.
Especailly "David pisher" president of Capital group accompany with LA mayor.

aquaticko

December 15th, 2011, 06:56 AM

At this point, I think we're all just anxious to see the total plan with all the buildings in place. And of course, for construction to start :).

s.j.

December 15th, 2011, 03:35 PM

Seoul IBD(international business district) underground Retail Valley
Completed in 2016
design by 5+design(usa) Gensler
contain an area 300,000㎡
IN MY OPINIONS ==> :ohno:

Agreed. The 'Retail valley' a little... too enclosed, and claustrophobic.. The open-air space in the middle isn't large enough. Perhaps connecting it with the surroundings could have been better... But I do like elements of it.. I'm a little bit at a loss.. I don't know what to make of it. This rendering makes it hard for me to fully comprehend it. It looks a bit too much like and average shopping centre, in places, but the green walls is not bad, and reminds me of shop by MASS STUDIES. The difference is that here they use more than one plant variety, which means that the simplicity and minimalism of the mass studies design isn't present.

The overall plan isn't TOO bad, but is too plain and too much, or too little, of a lot of things... The main tower design should have been more daring, in my opinion. It's really completely underwhelming, and doesn't stand out AT ALL. And the feeling that it was all done at once, by one person (even though more architects were involved, apparently), is still there... That makes it very ugly to me. I wish there were a little less quantity, and a little more quality (of design). So many new buildings, but very little that impresses. Even some of the previous proposals, that I criticised, were better... And this specific area possibly shouldn't even have such tall buildings (or maybe not so many of them). It was essentially rather unimportant, and now they make it look like a CBD. It just feels like something dropped from the sky, that landed in the wrong place (and it wouldn't look like that if it was done right). I feel like the architects are too focused on implementing ideas already seen elsewhere..The buildings REALLY drastically alter the feel of that bank of Hangang, and not entirely in a good way.... It seems to me like it would have been better not to have such big buildings so close to the river. It will take away the relaxing effect you get when looking across the river. If the river wasn't as wide as it is, it would have been even worse (actually, the width of the river might just make it work).. I hope it ends up okay... ehhhh

s.j.

December 15th, 2011, 03:50 PM

The LA mayor's presence, which is essentially in order to support the American architects (specifically those mass-production big-company architects), does not instil confidence when it comes to the design-selection process. It pretty much means that one of those big-companies will win (or HAS won, if I'm reading correctly).. I'm not expecting any architectural marvels from them, but in the very least I hope this doesn't end up looking like a massive shopping centre (I think we all know that they are rarely architectural masterpieces, if ever).

Ms.Jan

December 16th, 2011, 05:13 AM

is the buildings that surround the main tower included in the design??well its pretty good..:D

inno4321

December 16th, 2011, 11:29 AM

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2131/2222pa.png (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/2222pa.png/)
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8721/000woh.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/000woh.jpg/)
http://img807.imageshack.us/img807/7251/4444x.jpg (http://img807.imageshack.us/i/4444x.jpg/)
http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/8079/333zn.png (http://img607.imageshack.us/i/333zn.png/)
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1344/444p.png (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/444p.png/)
http://blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?blogId=2changbok&logNo=10126732975&viewDate=&currentPage=1&listtype=0
:banana::banana:

korea2002

December 16th, 2011, 11:47 AM

inno4321

December 18th, 2011, 06:09 AM

All SSC Forumers! above Inno4321's pics is about Yongsan IBD's Development site.(Original Area's Railway Facility(32 Buildings)'s Relocation and Demolition)

you can look this that pics is Development site.

So,Yongsan IBD's Thread Status may change to DEMO or PREP.
Because Yongsan IBD's Main site is being demolished by Developer(Dreamhub PFV,Samsung Construction Joint Venture).

^^ Agree with you korea2002:banana:

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6213/7777b.png (http://img440.imageshack.us/i/7777b.png/)
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/613/22222222v.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/i/22222222v.jpg/)
http://blog.naver.com/yoonschoi01?Redirect=Log&logNo=50129073599

inno4321

December 23rd, 2011, 03:53 PM

용산국제업무지구 내년 8조원 공사 발주
기사입력 2011-11-20 13:42:52

【서울=뉴시스】김형섭 기자 = 용산국제업무지구(용산역세권) 개발사업 착공에 따라 내년 8조원 가량의 공사물량이 발주될 전망이다.

용산역세권개발은 최근 1조4000억원 규모의 랜드마크타워 시공사를 선정한데 이어 내년 하반기께 8조원 가량의 시공물량을 발주할 예정이라고 20일 밝혔다.

용산역세권개발 관계자는 "내년 4대강 사업 마무리로 공공부문 발주가 급감할 것으로 예상되는 가운데 건설업계에는 가뭄에 단비가 될 것"이라고 말했다.

국내 설계업체도 상당한 경제효과가 기대된다. 설계금액 총 3269억원 중 2448억원(75%)이 국내업체에 배정됐다. 올해 안으로 1900억원을 발주하고 잔여금액은 내년까지 마무리한다는 계획이다.

용산역세권개발 측은 "일반적인 PF사업이 국내설계에 70% 미만을 배정하는 것을 고려할 때 용산국제업무지구의 경우는 상당히 높은 수준"이라고 설명했다.

국내 건축가의 참여기회도 제공된다. 용산역세권개발은 해외설계용역에서 제외된 44개 건축물에 대한 설계용역을 국내 신진 건축 작가들을 대상으로 추진할 예정이다. 또 철도데크, 한류거리, 교통환승시설 등 주요시설에 대한 국내업체 참여도 확대한다는 계획이다.

지자체 재정에도 적지 않은 도움이 될 전망이다. 용산역세권 개발사업 출자사들의 모임인 드림허브PFV는 올해 재산세 93억원을 납부해 서울시 재산세 납부 순위 2위를 차지하는 등 총 2300억의 지방세를 납부했다.

앞으로 준공시점인 2016년까지 총 2조여원의 지방세를 납부할 예정으로 광역교통개선비 1조원을 고려할 경우 세수 증대 효과는 총 3조원에 이를 것으로 예상된다.

용산역세권개발 관계자는 "용산국제업무지구 개발사업은 총 사업비 31조원을 투자해 67조원의 경제효과와 36만명의 고용창출, 연간 500만명의 외국인 관광객 유치가 예상된다"고 말했다.
http://economy.donga.com/total/3/01/20111120/42008744/1

Summary

IBD is going to $ 8.5 billions(us$) order to construction in next years(2012).

IBD already order to $ 1.5 billions(us$) for "landmark tower(620m) construction.

Furthermore $ 8.5 billions(us$) order to construction in next years(2012)
- which like "boutique office(450m/360m)/cloud residence(300m) etc"

Dreamhub already pay $ 250 millions for local taxes(seoul)
Furthermore total $ 2 billions for local taxes(seoul) until 2016.

Finally invest total $ 32 billions for IBD project.

Kanto

December 23rd, 2011, 05:04 PM

^^ Wow, the money ammounts invested are incredible :uh: This has to be the biggest skyscraper cluster in existence :master:

inno4321

December 23rd, 2011, 08:41 PM

^^ Wow, the money ammounts invested are incredible :uh: This has to be the biggest skyscraper cluster in existence :master:

^^ yeap a lot of money invested to this project.
Of course seoul is not rich city such like NYC LONDON PARI TOKYO.
However i wish upgraded seoul's global reputation with this project.

Kanto

December 23rd, 2011, 09:27 PM

^^ I dunno about the rest of the world but here in Slovakia you have a very good reputation. Kia helped our economy a lot and we also respect you for your heroic fighting against your evil north neighbour :cheers:

korea2002

December 24th, 2011, 12:29 PM

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6/20110927101918news09241.jpg

Kimiwind1184

December 24th, 2011, 09:07 PM

How much is far the site of IBD from National Museum of Korea?

Jakub

December 25th, 2011, 02:14 AM

Why don't you use google earth?

Kimiwind1184

December 25th, 2011, 05:34 AM

Why don't you use google earth?
I didn't ask you ;). Thanks.

inno4321

January 4th, 2012, 09:56 AM

IBD official news

-Today IBD's korea architecture company selected
- Samoo (http://www.samoo.com/) is 620m landmark tower(co-operation with renzo piano PRBW), Office(co-operation with SDL, DPA, MVRDV), landmark hotel KPF.
-Siaplan (http://www.siaplan.com/) Boutique office(co-operation with AS+GG), other residence(co-operation with BIG, Murphy/Jahn, Asymtote)
-haeahn (http://www.haeahn.com/) is retail valley(co-operation with 5+DESIGN, Tange, Riken)
-hwarchi (http://www.hwarchi.com/) is yongsan station connected offcie(co-operation with SOM)
-mooyoung (http://www.mooyoung.com/intro/intro.asp) is residence (co-operation with SDL,REX)

These 5 company got 75% cost of total design cost.
Until the end of this years $ 8.5 billions is going to pay for constrcution.
http://biz.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2012/01/04/2012010401801.html

krkseg1ops

January 4th, 2012, 10:24 AM

8.5 billions?? More than Kingdom Tower!

imagineer100

January 4th, 2012, 08:37 PM

Cool!

Kimiwind1184

January 7th, 2012, 08:16 PM

8.5 billions?? More than Kingdom Tower!
It's a huge complex.

tim1807

January 8th, 2012, 01:53 PM

Seoul is really booming.

inno4321

January 9th, 2012, 12:57 AM

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3434/52868609.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/i/52868609.jpg/)
http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=city&no=284551&page=3&bbs=
At the moment site is demolish

Geass

January 10th, 2012, 12:10 AM

I guess you will be able to see Seoul Light DMC Tower (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=516927) from this building and vice versa? Anyone have an estimated distance between the two?

aquaticko

January 10th, 2012, 01:14 AM

^^You definitely will. They're about 5-10 km/mi apart from each other, but they'll both be among the tallest towers in Seoul by far, even if Seoul Lite does lose 100m. I think this will be an exciting year for skyscrapers in Seoul.

inno4321

January 10th, 2012, 03:51 AM

I guess you will be able to see Seoul Light DMC Tower (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=516927) from this building and vice versa? Anyone have an estimated distance between the two?

8.22Km distance from DMC. I'm not sure able to see or not

But let's check above photos.

As you see above photos there is IFC SEOUL. IFC SEOUL about 3km(2.77km) Distance from yongsan IBD. IFC SEOUL 290m height.
SO if DMC TOWER 520m

KillerZavatar

January 10th, 2012, 05:50 PM

8.22Km distance from DMC. I'm not sure able to see or not

for reference in New York City the World Trade Center and Empire State Building are about 6km from each other. And we all know from photos that both are clearly visible either way. So i'm sure it will be similar for DMC

inno4321

January 11th, 2012, 03:23 AM

8.5 billions?? More than Kingdom Tower!

Kingdom Toweris 22 billions isn't it?

for reference in New York City the World Trade Center and Empire State Building are about 6km from each other. And we all know from photos that both are clearly visible either way. So i'm sure it will be similar for DMC

^^ clear explanaction thanks:)

BTW as whole component IBD project got a criris(han-river side block). Seoul new mayor don't want to huge construction project in seoul anymore.(what a worst mayor in seoul history)

Kanto

January 11th, 2012, 12:26 PM

^^ I hope the project will not suffer too badly because of the monkey mayor. In it's current form this would become the biggest skyscraper cluster on the planet. This has the potential to be one of the most iconic places on the planet :banana2:

inno4321

January 12th, 2012, 02:16 AM

Kanto

January 14th, 2012, 03:58 PM

^^ You gave him that name in an earlier post and I liked it so I decided that from now on 'til eternity ends he shall be known as the monkey mayor :hilarious

inno4321

January 15th, 2012, 01:34 PM

^^ You gave him that name in an earlier post and I liked it so I decided that from now on 'til eternity ends he shall be known as the monkey mayor :hilarious

^^:lol:
BTW yesterday i passed beside IBD site through train i saw some kind of fence. But i can not take a photos because very fast move to :)

Geass

January 17th, 2012, 12:42 AM

It's a shame that they did not use the asymptote-design (http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2035/9yongsan2.jpg), I hope they keep it for some other project. It looked really beautiful.

inno4321

January 17th, 2012, 04:57 AM

It's a shame that they did not use the asymptote-design (http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2035/9yongsan2.jpg), I hope they keep it for some other project. It looked really beautiful.

^^ agree asymptote is my best design. Unfortunately They only participated only one block design in IBD project.

Today IBD news

- Regulation changed for penthouse.
- From now on over 330m2 penthouse allowed to seoul super tall building.
- So 200 unit penthouse will be constructed in R5 block(Petonium twin tower) of IBD
(whole floor one house)

http://www.asiae.co.kr/news/view.htm?idxno=2012011608275743884

inno4321

January 22nd, 2012, 05:44 PM

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/3716/marketing14.jpg (http://img715.imageshack.us/i/marketing14.jpg/)
http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/8526/marketing15.jpg (http://img806.imageshack.us/i/marketing15.jpg/)
http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/6788/marketing16.jpg (http://img808.imageshack.us/i/marketing16.jpg/)
http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/6835/marketing32.jpg (http://img806.imageshack.us/i/marketing32.jpg/)
http://www.dovetorabbit.com/_dr/work/work_19.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2cgXDLABrJM

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/1192/12719087911951044e17315.jpg (http://img845.imageshack.us/i/12719087911951044e17315.jpg/)
http://www.hktdc.com/info/mi/a/imn/en/1X06R5WP/1/International-Market-News/China-Property-In-The-Spotlight-Br-Report-From-MIPIM-2010-Cannes.htm

patrykus

January 22nd, 2012, 09:02 PM

That looks... disturbing...

Which means it may turn out either awesome or trashy. Lets hope some higher quality pics will pop up soon.

anyways it seams like they liked it at the presentation since they bowing down to it :master: :D

Kanto

January 22nd, 2012, 09:06 PM

I have mixed views about this design. I like the bottom but I don't like the top. In my opinion this building looks a lot like Taipei 101 :dunno:

Myster E

January 23rd, 2012, 02:38 AM