Hello. I just would like to ask whether Malaysian Government has approved the project of JB Monorail or not. I have not seen any construction begin. If they are not going to solve JB transportation problem, it will be a really setback for the SJER.

i dont think it is approved, and i dont think it will be carry out so soon....if the project is approved, for sure, u'll c it in the newspaper or ''this forum'':lol::D

so, no choice, we have to wait and cccc....;)

There have been proposals for a single monorail loop around the CBD and at the IDR region...but still in the planning stage, nothing conclusive, just wait...but projects in JB usually goes on without any trouble...who knows, JB mite even get the monorail before penang.

There have been proposals for a single monorail loop around the CBD and at the IDR region...but still in the planning stage, nothing conclusive, just wait...but projects in JB usually goes on without any trouble...who knows, JB mite even get the monorail before penang.

That is true... Johor is our government "important" territory for their parliment seat. So that is why if Johor get their monorail first, also not a big deal. Beside that, our "Semua Boleh" government of course try to create a "Big" city just next to the SG. Compete ma. I think they will say the development is to complement each others.

That is true... Johor is our government "important" territory for their parliment seat. So that is why if Johor get their monorail first, also not a big deal. Beside that, our "Semua Boleh" government of course try to create a "Big" city just next to the SG. Compete ma. I think they will say the development is to complement each others.

'Semua Boleh' - 'Semua Kia Su'.... they are just being red-eye of what Singapore has achieved all these years and want to share the wealth Singapore has...

Think about Perlis... it is next to South Thailand, but because South Thai is kinda poor... that's why the state is always being neglected from any mega projects...:ohno:

Honestly, if there is no Singapore... I guess JB's development will be slow...

If there is no singapore, our tourists number ll drop drastically n we suffered as a whole nation. Your char kay teow price at jb ll drop too. Genting ll not be so busy with high rollers. But one good thing without singapore, our ports n airport ll prosper better simply because we have no other competitor than singapore in the region.

Source cited from TheEdge Newspaper :

Johor's monorail project is up for grabs as the government has decided to offer the job on a competitive bid basis, according to sources.
In addition, the project — that formerly came under the Johor government — now comes under the ambit of the Iskandar Region Development Authority (IRDA). There are also plans to extend the monorail from Bandar Nusajaya to Singapore via Johor Baru.
"The government decided that the monorail should be an integral part of South Johor's development and a link to Singapore. That is why it is now under the IRDA," says a source.
Originally, the monorail was expected to serve the 13.5km route from AEON Tebrau City to the heart of Johor Baru. The job was given to Jalur Mudra Sdn Bhd, which had received a letter of exclusivity on the grounds that it was the only firm to have put in a proposal.
Now, Jalur Mudra is likely to be out of the running. Among the companies that have expressed interest is Scomi Engineering Bhd.
The monorail plays an integral part in the state government's plans to improve Johor Baru's public services. It was reported earlier that the project is expected to cost around RM3 billion, of which RM1.3 billion will be on the first phase alone.
Over the next five years, there are plans to add another 50km worth of track to cover all of Johor Baru's residential, commercial and recreational hubs. Now that the monorail's range might be extended to service the entire Iskandar Development Region, it makes the project even more attractive.
And that's before taking into account the proposed link to Singapore.
"Given that plans for a new bridge to replace the Causeway have been cancelled, the monorail link looks like an attractive option as almost 200,000 people cross over on a daily basis, according to estimates," says a transport analyst.
Sources say Singapore's SMRT Corp, which runs the island nation's MRT service, could also be part of the consortium undertaking the revised monorail project. The projected route between the two countries would be around 3km to 4km and would most likely end at Singapore's Woodlands or Kranji MRT stations.
SMRT — which is 55% owned by Singapore's investment arm Temasek Holdings — had earlier been in negotiations with Jalur Mudra after the latter received its letter of exclusivity. However, as of December 2006, nothing had come of the talks that had been expected to be resolved by then.
SMRT had earlier eyed a stake of up to 45% in the monorail project, but sources say it would be content with 30%.
The latest developments have understandbly not gone down well with Jalur Mudra.
"It feels as if it has been muscled out of the project," says a source close to the company.
However, it must be noted that there had originally been no open tender called for the Johor monorail, which is why the government has decided to call for bids.
When Jalur Mudra emerged as the recipient, little was known about the company or its track record. All that was known was that the monorail would be patterned after China's monorail system that uses "maglev" or magnetic levitation technology.
Johor Menteri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman had said then that Jalur Mudra had been the only company that had made a firm bid for the project.
It is not known if Jalur Mudra will continue to pursue its bid for the Johor monorail but sources think it's unlikely.
"Jalur Mudra will most likely not fight against the move to call for open tender and respect the government's decision," says the source.
It had been reported earlier that the company had been looking to raise up to 80% of the funds needed for the project through the issuance of 20-year hybrid private debt securities. The company had been expecting foreign investors, including a few from the Middle East, to take up the instrument.
"If the funding had all been in place, Jalur Mudra would most likely have fought harder to keep the project," says an industry observer.

Source cited from TheEdge Newspaper :

Johor's monorail project is up for grabs as the government has decided to offer the job on a competitive bid basis, according to sources.
.wow...that is a HUGE step forward for the project and for Malaysia.

Cheers, m

Hope that government will fast approve the project and give the green light for the construction. I can't wait any longer. MRT train service to Singapore is an indispensable transportation mode and prerequisite needed for those work or study in Singapore.
Malaysia Boleh! (Hope Malaysia Government will put their words into action)

i believe our physical and social development is only to favor our own people...

why should we care about singaporean? leave them alone

when we build something 'similar' to singapore...we called ourselves 'kiasu' but when singapore wanted to have what we already had...NOBODY dare to say them kiasu in this forum...

F1, casino...and unbelievably thay also want to become islamic financial hub...!!

i believe our physical and social development is only to favor our own people...

why should we care about singaporean? leave them alone

when we build something 'similar' to singapore...we called ourselves 'kiasu' but when singapore wanted to have what we already had...NOBODY dare to say them kiasu in this forum...

F1, casino...and unbelievably thay also want to become islamic financial hub...!!

I don't really agree... Singapore and Malaysia have developed in such a way that both countries rely on each other very tightly now. I won't say that without one, the other one will definitely die, but 2 countries need each other in their future development, and most importantly both countries realise about that too. Therefore, we can't afford to leave them alone...

Well, since when we called ourselves 'kiasu' when we build something similar to Singapore? This is the first time I heard about that. Also, why should we term Singapore 'kiasu' when they try to have something we have already had? After all, the world is a huge photocopier... ask ourself, are we also 'kiasu' when we were building Petronas Tower - Tallest Tower in the world, which other country has already had it? :lol:

Everything is business driven... if the project can promise an beautiful influx of money... then definitely people want to grab it... after all everyone is 'kiasu' in this world... cheers:)

'Semua Boleh' - 'Semua Kia Su'.... they are just being red-eye of what Singapore has achieved all these years and want to share the wealth Singapore has...


^^ magician..i was just refering to your words....

when we build something 'similar' to singapore...we called ourselves 'kiasu' but when singapore wanted to have what we already had...NOBODY dare to say them kiasu in this forum...
I have never heard and saw in this forum claim ourselve kiasu when we building something 'similar' to singapore....and the most important thing is wat do u means ''similiar''? a similar airport to singapore, similar skyscraper to singapore, or a similar transportation? Every cities have similarity among each others...modern design buildings, modern transportation, this is the trend, this is the way to keep a city ''in the market''.

y do we need to call them kiasu when they want something similar to Malaysia? casinos??? if this would be the case, i dont know how many ppl in this world will call malaysia kiasu, since we are not the first country to have F1 or a super tall skyscraper. Are we following others?

We need Singapore and vice versa...if not why do we need APEC, ASEA, WTO etc...these are for wat? this is to show that we rely on each others.

^^ magician..i was just refering to your words....

oh... did I mean building 'similar' thing then it is called KiaSu?

If I gave you that wrong impression, I am sorry, probably I am not good at expressing myself clearly...:lol:

Like it or not JB's development owes very much to Singapore. I just dislike how Johor government lacked the willpower to catch up even when they have always known that Singapore & JB are liken to "heaven & earth" to many ppl. Now that the FedGov has stepped in and since SJER is now a federal project, I hope it would give Johor government a wake-up slap and then a major facelift to JB and South Johor, for once and for all. FedGov is also doing a favor to our own ppl in JB by connecting them to Singapore with a much better transportation.

Allow me to make a silly assumption here,
Survival rate of Singapore without JB = 80%
Survival rate of JB without Singapore = 20%

We must bravely accept the fact that Singapore is much better than us in many aspects. If we were better, thats becoz we were better in terms of our economic performace, our non-racist policies, our competency, our efficiency etc. I remember reading a blog comparing Malaysia & Singapore which so truly depicted the real case (below is my own example) -

Malaysian: My Hokkien mee tastes better than your Hokkien mee dressed with tomato sauce. Malaysia is better than Singapore 'coz Singapore doesnt have mamaks.
Singaporean: We are better than Malaysia becoz our airport, seaport, cityscape, urban planning, living quality, cleanliness, economy are world-class (who cares if you laugh at our tomato sauce noodles!)

Actually as a matter of fact, Malaysians (including myself) are kiasu, too. So lets not be the pot that would call the kettle black ;) If ppl copy us, thats because they are kiasu they want to have the same thing, then all the more we shd be kiasu so that they will not overtake our lead in that aspect. Thats how ppl in all parts of the world improve and progress.

Wow...

Probably instead of putting money into building another city/town like the SJER... I think our government should do it step by step... I am not saying the project/idea should be 100% scrapped... but instead of focusing on the project, I think they should pay more attention on our national security, city crime rate, environmental issue and of course corruption within the parliament.

I read newspaper saying that lately our coutry's crime rate has been in the increasing trend...

The whole world is now talking about global warming... I think we have to actively take part in fighting this issue... a lot of foreign companies are actually destroying our rain forest... for papers...

Third, corruption... I think SJER will be another failure project if our government cannot run under a clean and effective policy...

As for Kiasu or not... I think everyone has the in-born behaviour to be kiasu especially seeing other people is doing well... I think this is human nature... just that different angle you see the thing will give you different result... e.g. Malaysia likes to use 'Malaysia Boleh' when we achieve something... but some country may see it as an achievement while other may see it as 'Malaysia Kiasu'... after all, everyone wants to be top of the competition...

What do you guys think?

Allow me to make a silly assumption here,
Survival rate of Singapore without JB = 80%
Survival rate of JB without Singapore = 20%

We must bravely accept the fact that Singapore is much better than us in many aspects.


OMG! that was s0o0o silly comparison.....
don't you think your assumption was an embarrasment for the whole malaysian..? it looks that johore is totally useless without singapore...in fact, it was singaporean who dependent on johor and flock into johor as we can see how scary the traffic in causeway is...

yes, people around the world agree that singapore is much much efficient in public services compare to malaysia...yet we have to aware that our country is a BIG country, including sabah and sarawak. how can u can compare it such way? even you cannot compare kuala lumpur to singapore in terms of which city is more prosperous.....it is fairer to compare HK and singapore,bcoz both are CITY STATES

in malaysia we have to tackle 1001 problems, from rural development to racial issues....

i want you to think....malaysia is the only developing country who can 'fight' with rich nations in services....

our KLIA(the only developing nation's airport who can compete other's - see the top 10 list)
our seaport, PTP for example is the fastest growing in the region
cityscape?...much much better than bangkok, even cities in japan!(i'm not kidding)

even though we are developing nation...but we can 'berdiri sama tinggi, duduk sama rendah'...we should proud of it. but still...we have to struggle to make it better....


which one is better..?to think like we are the WORST developed country or the BEST developing country..?:D

OMG! that was s0o0o silly comparison.....
don't you think your assumption was an embarrasment for the whole malaysian..? it looks that johore is totally useless without singapore...in fact, it was singaporean who dependent on johor and flock into johor as we can see how scary the traffic in causeway is...

yes, people around the world agree that singapore is much much efficient in public services compare to malaysia...yet we have to aware that our country is a BIG country, including sabah and sarawak. how can u can compare it such way? even you cannot compare kuala lumpur to singapore in terms of which city is more prosperous.....it is fairer to compare HK and singapore,bcoz both are CITY STATES

in malaysia we have to tackle 1001 problems, from rural development to racial issues....

i want you to think....malaysia is the only developing country who can 'fight' with rich nations in services....

our KLIA(the only developing nation's airport who can compete other's - see the top 10 list)
our seaport, PTP for example is the fastest growing in the region
cityscape?...much much better than bangkok, even cities in japan!(i'm not kidding)

even though we are developing nation...but we can 'berdiri sama tinggi, duduk sama rendah'...we should proud of it. but still...we have to struggle to make it better....


which one is better..?to think like we are the WORST developed country or the BEST developing country..?:D


100% I agree with u.

i believe our physical and social development is only to favor our own people...

why should we care about singaporean? leave them alone
Have you considered that this may encourage Singaporeans to travel to JB more often since there are convenient links. This would help drive JB's economy some too.

x boleh banding sewenang je.

lain la kalau pulau sumatera sebahagian dari singapura. baru boleh banding dgn malaysia dan baru diorng/korang tau betapa susah nak bangunkan negara yg besar n kawasan pedalaman yg luas dgn pelbagai budaya dan penah disisihkan penjajah barat.

mane lagi mencabar ? pikir2 la..

^^ The size of a country is not an excuse!!! look at USA...how big is this country?? look at cadana and etc...they are still the top eventhough their country is very big...Malaysia is just a peanut compare to them...who to blaim..is the malaysian citizen and of course the government...we are not as good as Singapore, that is the reality, but that is no way to say that thier coutry is smaller, that make them better...

wat u say reallly show yrself ''kiasu''...

oh boy..how come u compare US with us.
do u know how long they build their nation ?

Well... I think no point we argue further of whether size does matter when come to a country's development...

See it in this way... with bigger piece of land... you have more resources... then you should be able to develop better than other smaller countries. So, Malaysia has a lot of resources but why when compared to other nations we are placed behind them, because we do not fully utilised our resources or perhaps we don't know how to use them effectively.

Singapore, small country... people claim to say smaller easier to manage... to some extend it is true, but they are lack of resources... if they manage to develop their country well, there must be lessons we could learn from them and use it to develop our country.

We do know Malaysia has a lot of rooms for improvement... not necessary we have to learn from Singapore. We don't have to admit that we are far behind other countries either... but if there's something valuable that we can take from other nations, why not? After all, these lessons benefit ourselves, our own people eventually...

oh boy..how come u compare US with us.
do u know how long they build their nation ?

well..what i want to stress on is not how long a country has built thier nation.
if singapore has the borneo island..i'm sure it will be even better than now..
Is the way the country utilize the land that bring up the level of the country, it is not how long they built their country.

^^ The size of a country is not an excuse!!! look at USA...how big is this country?? look at cadana and etc...they are still the top eventhough their country is very big...Malaysia is just a peanut compare to them...who to blaim..is the malaysian citizen and of course the government...we are not as good as Singapore, that is the reality, but that is no way to say that thier coutry is smaller, that make them better...

wat u say reallly show yrself ''kiasu''...

:lol:

USA taking more than 200 years.
even during world war 1,2 & 3 US already built their country with nuclear tech, politic, aerospace, economic etc.

tetapi..
orang2 malaya masa tue masih makan ubi kayu, masyarakatnya yang berbagai kaum dipisahkan. SGP pula pada masa tu telah dijadikan pusat perdangangan serantau.

^^hello read my 24th and by magician on 23rd post b4 make any comments:yes:

well..what i want to stress on is not how long a country has built thier nation.
if singapore has the borneo island..i'm sure it will be even better than now..
Is the way the country utilize the land that bring up the level of the country, it is not how long they built their country.

wow!! i believe kuan yew & the company must respect kat u punya la :okay:

^^hello read my 24th post b4 make any comments:yes:

rileks la brother. tiap org ade pendapat masing2 :cheers:

peace :)

i believe our physical and social development is only to favor our own people...

why should we care about singaporean? leave them alone

when we build something 'similar' to singapore...we called ourselves 'kiasu' but when singapore wanted to have what we already had...NOBODY dare to say them kiasu in this forum...

F1, casino...and unbelievably thay also want to become islamic financial hub...!!



Magician and Lastresorter had said most of what I wanted to say :yes:

HOwever I would also like to add that what we had is not exclusively ours. The idea of casinos and F1 is not new. Furthermore F1 approached Singapore way before we even tinker the idea of having it in Malaysia. Did ya know that?

But seriously lah.......there are more for us to copy and emulate from Singapore than the other way round. So we should be the kiasu one. However kiasu is a survival skill and it is not something bad. Another word for being kiasu is competitive. When we 'afraid to lose' we would be more competitive. That is why we had success in PTP and KLIA. Should Changi or Keppel isn't in this region, we would be slacking as well. There won't even be a PTP as the port are built in respond to divide the pie with Singapore. Talk about being kiasu! :D

Mrtfreak had put it right, a better and well-connected infra to the republic would augur well for us too because it brings in Singapore money :D It is funny how some perceived that the benefit is only one way and it seems to them that Singapore is dying for our money and that we could starved Singapore by these unnecessary obstacle. Some lacked the knowledge and are ignorant of the trade and influx of investment and capital between Malaysia and Singapore thus the chest-thumping patriotic feeling. They have also failed to realised that Singapore's growth had never be on our expense but instead our growth had been at their expense. So they should worry more. :yes:

Well... I think no point we argue further of whether size does matter when come to a country's development...

See it in this way... with bigger piece of land... you have more resources... then you should be able to develop better than other smaller countries. So, Malaysia has a lot of resources but why when compared to other nations we are placed behind them, because we do not fully utilised our resources or perhaps we don't know how to use them effectively.

Singapore, small country... people claim to say smaller easier to manage... to some extend it is true, but they are lack of resources... if they manage to develop their country well, there must be lessons we could learn from them and use it to develop our country.

We do know Malaysia has a lot of rooms for improvement... not necessary we have to learn from Singapore. We don't have to admit that we are far behind other countries either... but if there's something valuable that we can take from other nations, why not? After all, these lessons benefit ourselves, our own people eventually...

actually our resouces is our people. thats why human capital development has become the main priority in 9MP.

the rest.. i agree with u :banana:

rileks la brother. tiap org ade pendapat masing2 :cheers:

peace :)


then try to avoid this word funny:yes:

actually our resouces is our people. thats why human capital development has become the main priority in 9MP.

the rest.. i agree with u :banana:

To some extend I agree...

But, how about natural resources that we have? Do we really make a big income from what we have?? I don't think so... maybe I am wrong... correct me please

^^ the word has gone :happy:

To some extend I agree...

But, how about natural resources that we have? Do we really make a big income from what we have?? I don't think so... maybe I am wrong... correct me please

those who said we have enough natural resouces are wrong!

see..
saudi arabia produce almost 10 million oil barrel perday.
meanwhile, malaysia just produce near 600k oil barrel perday.

dan natural resouces nie satu hari akan kering.

hahahaha....

thats why i said " our resouces is our people " :)

:nocrook:

OMG! that was s0o0o silly comparison.....
don't you think your assumption was an embarrasment for the whole malaysian..? it looks that johore is totally useless without singapore...in fact, it was singaporean who dependent on johor and flock into johor as we can see how scary the traffic in causeway is...

yes, people around the world agree that singapore is much much efficient in public services compare to malaysia...yet we have to aware that our country is a BIG country, including sabah and sarawak. how can u can compare it such way? even you cannot compare kuala lumpur to singapore in terms of which city is more prosperous.....it is fairer to compare HK and singapore,bcoz both are CITY STATES

in malaysia we have to tackle 1001 problems, from rural development to racial issues....

i want you to think....malaysia is the only developing country who can 'fight' with rich nations in services....

our KLIA(the only developing nation's airport who can compete other's - see the top 10 list)
our seaport, PTP for example is the fastest growing in the region
cityscape?...much much better than bangkok, even cities in japan!(i'm not kidding)

even though we are developing nation...but we can 'berdiri sama tinggi, duduk sama rendah'...we should proud of it. but still...we have to struggle to make it better....


which one is better..?to think like we are the WORST developed country or the BEST developing country..?:D

Funny and silly the assumption may seem, but do you really think that is not the case now? Imagine without JBians entering Singapore, how would Singapore be affected? Singapore may experience labour shortage and all but it can still source from Indonesia, Thailand or other parts of Malaysia or Asia. Now, without Singaporeans entering JB, that is gonna hit JB so hard that many people cant make a living there and that they have to move elsewhere.

Of course we can compare Malaysia to Singapore, what more comparing a city to a city. As pointed out by Magician, we are not comparing the size, we are comparing the resources and efficiencies in using them. Fine, if you're not comfortable comparing to Singapore. Let's compare to S. Korea then. Korea was poor, invaded and conquered and then later divided by civil war. It was ONE OF THE POOREST COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD! Malaya during that period was better off under the British but compare Malaysia achievement and S.Korean achievement now?

I'm not saying that we are not good at all, and I don't find my statements to be embarrassing to Malaysians since I find there's no need to gloat about our achievements when there are somebody else leading, or catching up with us. There's no time to point fingers and label ppl kiasu when "there are still works to be done" (quoted from Pak Lah) so that we, either continue to stay ahead of others or, overtake others so that we can be the global champion, not the kampung one.

I would love to think that we are better than the others, but if it leads to nonchalance in terms of our surrounding competition, then I'd rather think we are worse so that we may strive to be better instead of staying home thinking that we are the best while others have become better already.

if singapore has the borneo island..i'm sure it will be even better than now..



don't you know...it was actually singapore's responsible to develop Borneo during the Tunku and Kuan Yew aggreement on establising 'Malaysia'. that time, singapore has a quite strong economic fundamental and tunku believe in that way, borneo can be develop in a fast track.....

but unfortunately the malaysia-singapore failed in 1965....

but one has to know the geopolitic of sabah and sarawak. those people are totally different from you have seen in peninsular. they love living in traditional way and most of them living in the deep rural areas, and their numbers are not little.

plus, most sabah and sarawak politicians are well known for being 'most corrupt' in malaysia! Osu Sukam, Taib Mahmud....they have different laws and everything which make peninsular's authority cannot simply take action on them...
one also cannot rely on natural resources forever....you can see Brunei as an example. they are rich because the only sell oil and gas...other than that?nothing......and i don't think that country will survive in next 30 years....

comparing malaysia to USA/Canada...that is insanely a 'not clever' comparison..serious...

Ok... let's compare Malaysia to Iraq, Myanmar, Cambodia!!!

Malaysia Boleh!

Funny and silly the assumption may seem, but do you really think that is not the case now? Imagine without JBians entering Singapore, how would Singapore be affected? Singapore may experience labour shortage and all but it can still source from Indonesia, Thailand or other parts of Malaysia or Asia. Now, without Singaporeans entering JB, that is gonna hit JB so hard that many people cant make a living there and that they have to move elsewhere.

Of course we can compare Malaysia to Singapore, what more comparing a city to a city. As pointed out by Magician, we are not comparing the size, we are comparing the resources and efficiencies in using them. Fine, if you're not comfortable comparing to Singapore. Let's compare to S. Korea then. Korea was poor, invaded and conquered and then later divided by civil war. It was ONE OF THE POOREST COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD! Malaya during that period was better off under the British but compare Malaysia achievement and S.Korean achievement now?

I'm not saying that we are not good at all, and I don't find my statements to be embarrassing to Malaysians since I find there's no need to gloat about our achievements when there are somebody else leading, or catching up with us. There's no time to point fingers and label ppl kiasu when "there are still works to be done" (quoted from Pak Lah) so that we, either continue to stay ahead of others or, overtake others so that we can be the global champion, not the kampung one.

I would love to think that we are better than the others, but if it leads to nonchalance in terms of our surrounding competition, then I'd rather think we are worse so that we may strive to be better instead of staying home thinking that we are the best while others have become better already.

lain padang lain belalang.

korea dia satu bangsa je.. tue yg cepat maju. tapi kat malaysia ade banyak sgt politician. govt nak buat satu polisi/dasar pun bukan mudah.. kena ambik kira kepentingan semua kaum. sebab tue makan masa lama.

lain padang lain belalang.

korea dia satu bangsa je.. tue yg cepat maju. tapi kat malaysia ade banyak sgt politician. govt nak buat satu polisi/dasar pun bukan mudah.. kena ambik kira kepentingan semua kaum. sebab tue makan masa lama.


I think you can be in the parliament :cheers:

Ok... let's compare Malaysia to Iraq, Myanmar, Cambodia!!!

Malaysia Boleh!

i tidak setuju bandingkan negara kite dgn negara yg lain. ape yg kite lalui amat berbeza dgn amat yg mereka lalui.tiap org ade matlamat dan cara sendiri, begitu juga dengan negara.

^^ For me....Malaysia wajar dibanding dengan negara membangun yg lain...tak wajar dibanding dengan negara maju like Singapore or Jepun..

Coz, I will noe tht perbandingan antara negara membangun and negara maju, sure negara maju win de la...

don't you know...it was actually singapore's responsible to develop Borneo during the Tunku and Kuan Yew aggreement on establising 'Malaysia'. that time, singapore has a quite strong economic fundamental and tunku believe in that way, borneo can be develop in a fast track.....

but unfortunately the malaysia-singapore failed in 1965....

so. that is wat i'm trying to say, if Singapore has borneo island it will be more developed than now, cos they are wise in utilise the lands.

but one has to know the geopolitic of sabah and sarawak. those people are totally different from you have seen in peninsular. they love living in traditional way and most of them living in the deep rural areas, and their numbers are not little.

plus, most sabah and sarawak politicians are well known for being 'most corrupt' in malaysia! Osu Sukam, Taib Mahmud....they have different laws and everything which make peninsular's authority cannot simply take action on them...
one also cannot rely on natural resources forever....you can see Brunei as an example. they are rich because the only sell oil and gas...other than that?nothing......and i don't think that country will survive in next 30 years....
wat are u trying to say sabah and sarawak ppl are different from us?? Y i c no different from the sabah and sarawak forumers in this forum..they love thier city their state to be developed!

and for those rural area ppl, what wrong with them? U know how many countries in this world hope they have ''orang asli''...this is the selling point of a country...a land dosent means must be full of skyscrapers modern faclities then only counted as develop, modern. Sabah and Sarawak now has a lot of unique cave, mountain. That will bring huge income to Malaysia IF they promote those geo tourism hard enough..and malaysia is doing that...But for Singapore, they are very well known in their tourism, if they were to take over borneo...i tell u, i'm sure they'll come out far better idea to promote this lovely land.



comparing malaysia to USA/Canada...that is insanely a 'not clever' comparison..serious...

for this i have make a correction in the previous post, and magician has helped me to deliver the points..i have to agree that i shouldnt use USA or canada in the first place.

We cannot afford to compare to other greater countries... because we have bigger land but LESS resources...

We can only see ourself with less developed country... because by then only we can prove we 'BOLEH'... :cheers:

Now, without Singaporeans entering JB, that is gonna hit JB so hard that many people cant make a living there and that they have to move elsewhere.

Let's compare to S. Korea then. Korea was poor, invaded and conquered and then later divided by civil war. It was ONE OF THE POOREST COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD! Malaya during that period was better off under the British but compare Malaysia achievement and S.Korean achievement now?

I would love to think that we are better than the others, but if it leads to nonchalance in terms of our surrounding competition, then I'd rather think we are worse so that we may strive to be better instead of staying home thinking that we are the best while others have become better already.

bcoz of singaporean enters JB everyday, the price there become relatively more expensive than other cities in malaysia...

so now you want to compare malaysia with s korea..?i believe if you ask keADILan members...they will agree with you. bcoz they say..our corrupt politician makes us worse...
actually what makes korean richer than us?
answer...the CHAEBOL !
korean established those companies since the time we had 13th May....
the fact is...koreans conglomerat who are responsible for s. korea. and their contribution is far appreciated than their government's policies!
it likes of having 3 to 4 PETRONAS in malaysia....this makes their GDP per capita 50% higher than us!
and i want you to make a study on how korean's patriotisme contribute to their prosperity.

as a conclusion lah...it was us! malaysian peoples, not government who should be blamed. if only we could established big corporates during our early age....

We can only see ourself with less developed country... because by then only we can prove we 'BOLEH'... :cheers:

yes! this is what we should do...

if Kimi Raikonnen wants to be 1st...he should take Alonso as challenger.....not Takuma Sato :D

What is CHAEBOL?

don't you know...it was actually singapore's responsible to develop Borneo during the Tunku and Kuan Yew aggreement on establising 'Malaysia'. that time, singapore has a quite strong economic fundamental and tunku believe in that way, borneo can be develop in a fast track.....

but unfortunately the malaysia-singapore failed in 1965....

but one has to know the geopolitic of sabah and sarawak. those people are totally different from you have seen in peninsular. they love living in traditional way and most of them living in the deep rural areas, and their numbers are not little.

Yes...tht time sabah and sarawak ppl are different from semenanjung ppl. Yes....it all stated in our sejarah books. But, there is nothing to do wit Singapore responsible wit borneo development...NO!! Tht time Sg wanna join Tanah Melayu juz bcoz they wan to maintain their economic, in helping developing borneo, tht is ridiculous...

plus, most sabah and sarawak politicians are well known for being 'most corrupt' in malaysia! Osu Sukam, Taib Mahmud....they have different laws and everything which make peninsular's authority cannot simply take action on them...
one also cannot rely on natural resources forever....you can see Brunei as an example. they are rich because the only sell oil and gas...other than that?nothing......and i don't think that country will survive in next 30 years....

comparing malaysia to USA/Canada...that is insanely a 'not clever' comparison..serious...

OMG...how can you say "most corrupt"??? Yes, mmg we hav corrupt our own country by let those PTI masuk....but, we manage to solve tht by our own. Brunei is a small country mah, easy to manage their resources. Sabah and Sarawak big you noe, and please la....the use the word "most corrupt", you are shaming sabah and sarawak now...

Ok... let's compare Malaysia to Iraq, Myanmar, Cambodia!!!

Malaysia Boleh!

i prefer we compare ourselves to Zimbabwe:lol:

u cannot get my massage...i believe

yes! this is what we should do...

if Kimi Raikonnen wants to be 1st...he should take Alonso as challenger.....not Takuma Sato :D

Haha Surprise!!!

No wonder until today Malaysia still a developing country... Malaysia really BOLEH

What is CHAEBOL?

korean conglomerates...SAMSUNG/DAEWOO/HYUNDAI

We cannot afford to compare to other greater countries... because we have bigger land but LESS resources...

We can only see ourself with less developed country... because by then only we can prove we 'BOLEH'... :cheers:

:lol: Isnt it sad that many ppl are thinking that?

bcoz of singaporean enters JB everyday, the price there become relatively more expensive than other cities in malaysia...

so now you want to compare malaysia with s korea..?i believe if you ask keADILan members...they will agree with you. bcoz they say..our corrupt politician makes us worse...
actually what makes korean richer than us?
answer...the CHAEBOL !
korean established those companies since the time we had 13th May....
the fact is...koreans conglomerat who are responsible for s. korea. and their contribution is far appreciated than their government's policies!
it likes of having 3 to 4 PETRONAS in malaysia....this makes their GDP per capita 50% higher than us!
and i want you to make a study on how korean's patriotisme contribute to their prosperity.

as a conclusion lah...it was us! malaysian peoples, not government who should be blamed. if only we could established big corporates during our early age....

as i said earlier :)

:lol: Isnt it sad that many ppl are thinking that?
^^ it is what majority people do!
'simply' compare one to another...without doing a deep digging...

:lol: Isnt it sad that many ppl are thinking that?

Erm, it seems that some of our Malaysian forumers have this kind of thinking...

^^ it is what majority people do!
'simply' compare one to another...without doing a deep digging...

Can you be specific of what you mean by majority people... u mean Malaysians? or people around the world..?

i prefer we compare ourselves to Zimbabwe:lol:

u cannot get my massage...i believe

Massage?? oh you want to give me massage?

moral of the storey -> semua dah lari topic da.. :lol:

mane cerita monorail or MRT nie ?? :cheers:

ras rasanya ramai yg tak faham my english ni..
oklah i wrote in malay..

kita MEMANG kena tgk competitor yg lebih maju utk kita jadi maju!
KOREA, SINGAPORE, even JAPAN!

cuma masalahnya jgn lah sikit2 nak hentam negara sendiri kalau ada something slack about us....
dan mmg banyak benda kita kena belajar dan sedang belajar dr singapore....like public services and sistem penyampaian.

tp it likes malaysian loves to makes their country looks a totally a 'useless crap'

Hello..my belove Malaysianssss....

it is nothing wrong to compare us to other countries...and there is nothing wrong if we are behind to others countries..we have to face it, and the most importnat thing is to find out a wise solution.

We must always compare ourselve to other far more develop countries in this world, then we can only learn from them...by comparing us to those countries which we are already far more better than them for What? To show ''malaysia boleh''???

Sudah bom

ras rasanya ramai yg tak faham my english ni..
oklah i wrote in malay..

kita MEMANG kena tgk competitor yg lebih maju utk kita jadi maju!
KOREA, SINGAPORE, even JAPAN!

cuma masalahnya jgn lah sikit2 nak hentam negara sendiri kalau ada something slack about us....
dan mmg banyak benda kita kena belajar dan sedang belajar dr singapore....like public services and sistem penyampaian.

tp it likes malaysian loves to makes their country looks a totally a 'useless crap'

Dear... we have never said or tried to make our lovely country look 'useless crap'...

We just want to compare ourselves to other people... and perhaps if we see something we should further improve... then from there we can do something about it to improve everyone's living...

Yes...tht time sabah and sarawak ppl are different from semenanjung ppl. Yes....it all stated in our sejarah books. But, there is nothing to do wit Singapore responsible wit borneo development...NO!! Tht time Sg wanna join Tanah Melayu juz bcoz they wan to maintain their economic, in helping developing borneo, tht is ridiculous...



^^ read Lee Kuan Yew's THE SINGAPORE STORY :yes:

mane cerita Monorail/MRT nie.... :soapbox:

mane cerita Monorail/MRT nie.... :soapbox:

:ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :dunno:

^^ read Lee Kuan Yew's THE SINGAPORE STORY :yes:

My sejarah get A1 in school!!! So...I better!! :tongue:

bcoz of singaporean enters JB everyday, the price there become relatively more expensive than other cities in malaysia...

Some Malaysian: I don't like Singapore, lets not care about them, becoz they come to JB and make our living standard so dam high.
Some Singaporean: Huh? You blame me because I spend my S$ on you? I don't like you now since you have never even tried to be friendly to me!


so now you want to compare malaysia with s korea..?i believe if you ask keADILan members...they will agree with you. bcoz they say..our corrupt politician makes us worse...
actually what makes korean richer than us?
answer...the CHAEBOL !
korean established those companies since the time we had 13th May....
the fact is...koreans conglomerat who are responsible for s. korea. and their contribution is far appreciated than their government's policies!
it likes of having 3 to 4 PETRONAS in malaysia....this makes their GDP per capita 50% higher than us!
and i want you to make a study on how korean's patriotisme contribute to their prosperity.

as a conclusion lah...it was us! malaysian peoples, not government who should be blamed. if only we could established big corporates during our early age....

The Chaebols is one. But doesnt that explain how S.Korea managed to make use of its resources so that they survive and thrive? Malaysia doesnt have chaebols, but we have petroleum, natural gas, timber, rubber, palm oil and most importantly, multi-ethnic demography. Have the nation really make full use of the diversity or simply manipulating for own gains so that they continue to be kampung champions?

So now we can't compare to Singapore for its diversity and clean efficient government. We can't compare to S.Korea for its patriotic ppl, chaebols and corrupted governments. Who else can we compare to? Okay, let me study on Zimbabwe first before we start comparing! I think we win lor.

Massage?? oh you want to give me massage?

i said kimi raikonnes (3rd place) should take Alonso (1st place) as his challenger....not Takuma sato (belakang)...

but than you say 'that's is why we are still a developing county'....
u tak faham ke...my mesej?
i said 'we should take strong compatitor' but why then u mentioned myanmar...cambodia?

mane cerita Monorail/MRT nie.... :soapbox:

SABAR!!!

:lol:

^^ I think ur english yg :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: ....everybody same thinking what....

Oshkoshgood many to quote rite now...haha..

mane cerita Monorail/MRT nie.... :soapbox:

Hehe.. back to topic... I agree, cepat2 build a public transport link connecting JB & Singapore. Win-win situation. ;)

My sejarah get A1 in school!!! So...I better!!:lol:

I got A1 also lah!

btw, don't you know sabah's previous KM...Osu Sukam? dia hutang judi rm12 juta!! where that money came from...?

Some Malaysian: I don't like Singapore, lets not care about them, becoz they come to JB and make our living standard so dam high.
Some Singaporean: Huh? You blame me because I spend my S$ on you? I don't like you now since you have never even tried to be friendly to me!

Who else can we compare to? Okay, let me study on Zimbabwe first before we start comparing! I think we win lor.

if singapore is so friendly...we can have a stright bridge ganti itu causeway lah...:dunno:

if someone wants to make a research and take malaysia-singapore as case study, a lot of things to be considered. a professional comparison study not as simple as you thought....

believe me..nobody wants to be 'jaguh kampung' lar.....

ok, i'm done...back to the topic!!

^^ Ahahaha...finally mengaku kalah!! :tongue:

Think la...minority cant beat the majority...ok??

^^ apa yg kalah-menang ni?

^^ Hehe it's nice to have discussion like this once in a while... nothing about winning or losing but just sharing thoughts... look, at least this thread is so alive :lol:

mane cerita Monorail/MRT nie.... :soapbox:

Did not they say construction will starts as early as 2007 :bash:

Wah. Its a war zone here:lol:

Anyway, let me fire my rounds.

Singapore started off much worse off than Malaysia in the 1960s. No resources, no military, no pillar industry, and worse still no market fro their goods.Look at them now. We should be ashamed instead of dengki.
Therefore, it is right to compare malaysia and Singapore because we started off almost at the same starting line. In fact singapore is at a disadvantage then.

Small size is indeed easier to manage. But it is also harder to survive, because there is no resources of buffer for mistakes. If the usual corrupted malaysian leaders were to develope singapore in the 1960s, it would be a fishing village by now. Therefore, its small size is not an advantage, it is a disadvantage.

Aiyah...banyak nak tulis..i malas.......

Singapore had once offered expertise to build JB's LRT but the johor leaders refused. Not because of other concrete reasons. just because of sheer jealousy and dengki. And of course racist. Our leaders are so stupid and shameless. expertise across the causeway is cheaper than ang mos expertise. also singapore is more familiar with our system.

Wah. Its a war zone here:lol:

Anyway, let me fire my rounds.

Singapore started off much worse off than Malaysia in the 1960s. No resources, no military, no pillar industry, and worse still no market fro their goods.Look at them now. We should be ashamed instead of dengki.
Therefore, it is right to compare malaysia and Singapore because we started off almost at the same starting line. In fact singapore is at a disadvantage then.

Small size is indeed easier to manage. But it is also harder to survive, because there is no resources of buffer for mistakes. If the usual corrupted malaysian leaders were to develope singapore in the 1960s, it would be a fishing village by now. Therefore, its small size is not an advantage, it is a disadvantage.

Aiyah...banyak nak tulis..i malas.......

Singapore had once offered expertise to build JB's LRT but the johor leaders refused. Not because of other concrete reasons. just because of sheer jealousy and dengki. And of course racist. Our leaders are so stupid and shameless. expertise across the causeway is cheaper than ang mos expertise. also singapore is more familiar with our system.

^Whatever ...keep ur political opinions to urself and stick to topic...meh :ohno: .Calling other people stupid cannot solve anything. :ohno:

To org JB...ape citer LRT JB? hehe

Exactly... Please stick to the topic.

^^ Sorry lor. get carried away. I apologise.

Wah. Its a war zone here:lol:

Aiyah...banyak nak tulis..i malas.......



tulis la yg banyak lagi tu ma..

^^ Sorry lor. get carried away. I apologise.

are we evil and there are truly angel ??
how about this..

http://www.interculturalrelations.com/v1i3Summer1998/sm98fuller.htm

http://www.crsi.mq.edu.au/news_and_events/documents/selvarajvelayutham_000.pdf

frankly..

i have a relative there.. n they are also got the same problem

are we evil and there are truly angel ??
how about this..

http://www.interculturalrelations.com/v1i3Summer1998/sm98fuller.htm

http://www.crsi.mq.edu.au/news_and_events/documents/selvarajvelayutham_000.pdf

frankly..

i have a relative there.. n they are also got the same problem



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lol...you again :D .why always throwing crap at us,malaysian? oo..i see that's your hobby.the last time i know,you did the same thing there(s'pore).to me you're a traitor to this country and this kind of people should be erased from this country.agree? ;) :cheers:

Why call jb politicians racist when they were actually considering China's expertise?

Oh since this project no sound and thread getting political, i shall close this.