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mukkjoy
November 17th, 2007, 07:11 PM
Christ, what a fantastic selection of photos mukkjoy. The image from level 29 of the city cluster, and the sunset view over Central London are to die for.

what's your next project by the way.......not moving with BLL to 122 Leadenhall by any chance?

it's been mentioned but not for a while yet

RugBurn
November 17th, 2007, 11:40 PM
great pics- london looks so beautiful in the "city shot"- love the cladding but the building looks like its aching to be taller

mukkjoy
November 17th, 2007, 11:57 PM
yes i know what you mean but the railway runs right under the building so its quite amazing the that the tower is as tall as it is now

MiseryGuts
November 18th, 2007, 12:06 AM
CIS ugly sister!! big shame that the detail only looks great up close. the whole thing looks very average from this view

With all due respect to CIS, This is a modern world class development by a renowned firm, opposed to an ageing post war block only to have recently recieved modernising 'solar panels' which conflict with it's existing dated mirror cladding, so I feel the comment comparing them was a little unfair.

nowvoyeurger
November 18th, 2007, 01:26 AM
wow - i am lovin this building. at first glance it just looked like a nondescript boxy midrise. the more i see it the more i like about it. so many great features revealed by the fab fotos from johnb gazkinz and mukkjoy amongst others.

love the way the plan of the tall tower is asymmetric. love the axis offset to the smaller tower. love the smaller tower presenting to bishopsgate so the taller one is not overly imposing from this street. love the cladding. i even love the back of the building and ok i don't love the chimney but i don't dislike it either. the shots from spitz show it to juxtaposition beautifully with the surrounding residential streets.

yep ok it is a chorus line building for the stars in the city but it carries it's role perfectly.

1LONDONER
November 18th, 2007, 03:13 AM
there will be three lights in total one on the southwest corner (on top of the post in the dodgy picture below), one on the west corner of the cooling tower and one on the far northeast

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2335/2038314807_f963834946_b.jpg

mukjoy, others have said it, but ur pics are fukin amazing, especially the one above, dont think Ive ever seen London from this position/angle before.

cheers for the pics.

Should post them up in here http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=283649&page=20 on the world forums

dimitriz
November 18th, 2007, 04:12 AM
Truly amazing! Exposure just perfect, despite extreme contrast. I assume you take photos professionally? If not, consider it.

Smarty
November 18th, 2007, 03:08 PM
Wow - amazing pics Mukkjoy. Almost didn't post these after seeing those ones. Some pics from OCS taken on Friday:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2107/2042786491_26bf6c9dd3.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2043584746_785df99ee4.jpg

NothingBetterToDo
November 18th, 2007, 03:53 PM
^^ You lucky sod - do you work in OCS??

Smarty
November 18th, 2007, 04:09 PM
^^ You lucky sod - do you work in OCS??

Yep - floor 36. It has great views.

sam-whit-kid
November 18th, 2007, 06:39 PM
i think this tower would make a nice addition to the canary wharf skyline more than the city cluster...i dunno why though.

that sunset pic of the city by mukkjoy is AMAZING aswell.

mukkjoy
November 18th, 2007, 07:57 PM
[QUOTE=Smarty;16555704]Wow - amazing pics Mukkjoy. Almost didn't post these after seeing those ones.

please don't stop posting pictures. i don't get the chance to look at the building from a distance now due to starting pretty much in the dark and finishing the same way. the only pictures i get to take are close up or looking away from it. oh and thakyou for the comments but i must admit i think its more the camera and location than skill. the pictures that are posted here are viewed by alot of people on the project and often used for progess photos so again PLEASE DON'T STOP.:bow:

TomD'07
November 18th, 2007, 08:24 PM
yes i know what you mean but the railway runs right under the building so its quite amazing the that the tower is as tall as it is now

They must have used some incredible engineering down there to hold the weight above the railway.

mulattokid
November 20th, 2007, 11:06 AM
I reckon this will be externally complete within 2-3 weeks.


http://i24.tinypic.com/14mrqj5.jpg

Looks like you were more or less right

Downfallen
November 20th, 2007, 11:56 AM
Outstanding pictures MukkJoy....
A view Ive seen a few times...but not quite in that light.

dreadathecontrols
November 25th, 2007, 12:13 PM
its like another tooth on the broken tooth skyline fron parliamnt Hill.
cant wait for the rest.
In 5 years it will be one of the worlds iconic skylines.Dunno why but it has presnce.It looks like 'london'.Like NY looks like NY. HK is big but now its too forgetable.Viv la differance...

DarJoLe
November 25th, 2007, 09:53 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2413/2063563572_255327bbd9_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2397/2063554920_c6fd289855_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2086/2062765865_1569a3df9b_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2084/2062780509_aed462f48a_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2399/2063560096_0ebfed26ff_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2173/2062778351_54a4bc5ffb_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2292/2062779687_a94834e832_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2051/2063565098_fa0647524a_b.jpg

DarJoLe
November 25th, 2007, 09:57 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2124/2063555674_39c1770447_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2052/2063559458_a58f5c641a_b.jpg

Horizon911
November 25th, 2007, 10:00 PM
The crossbracing on the tower looks fantastic. And I especially like the covered piazza between the tower and the lower building. Not over keen on the lower building though, just too bulky looking.

Great set of pics.

MiseryGuts
November 25th, 2007, 10:25 PM
Despite it's (201 Bishopsgate) sheer bulk, I'm really taken by the sweeping fascade facing onto Bishopsgate. The excellent pics above illustrate this.

mukkjoy
November 25th, 2007, 11:54 PM
darjole nice pictures.:applause:. just had a look at your other posts today, nice little tour.

Downfallen
November 25th, 2007, 11:59 PM
Edit:
Lovely building....hard working contractors.

capslock
November 26th, 2007, 12:04 AM
Great pictures as always!

johnt_gr
November 26th, 2007, 12:07 AM
Wow! amazing night pictures capslock! :applause: where did you get 'em?

capslock
November 26th, 2007, 12:08 AM
Wow! amazing night pictures capslock! :applause: where did you get 'em?

Um... from the posts above. They're not mine.

Downfallen
November 26th, 2007, 12:09 AM
Edited...to remove content

mukkjoy
November 26th, 2007, 12:10 AM
ij

capslock
November 26th, 2007, 12:12 AM
'Break into' ?? Never !:ohno:
I'm only there to enjoy the view....and take a snap or two, nothing else.
Entry and exit....well there's always a way....but I'd never break/damage anything ...

:D

johnt_gr
November 27th, 2007, 12:38 AM
Um... from the posts above. They're not mine.

Oh! Anyway, congrats to their photographer!

El_Greco
November 27th, 2007, 02:14 AM
Edited...to remove content

Why?

Sparks
November 28th, 2007, 02:44 AM
Does anyone know which church is this nearest the picture?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2085/1834328883_7b906a230b_b.jpg

DarJoLe
November 28th, 2007, 02:57 AM
Christ Church Spitalfields.

nowvoyeurger
November 28th, 2007, 11:33 AM
"Does anyone know which church is this nearest the picture?"

check this out

http://www.eastlondonhistory.com/hawksmoor.htm

Sparks
November 28th, 2007, 03:28 PM
Thanks guys

Newcastle Guy
November 29th, 2007, 01:15 AM
Edit: Pictures removed.

Tony Resta
November 29th, 2007, 12:01 PM
awesome pictures, love the reflection

mukkjoy
November 29th, 2007, 06:24 PM
new view from the top. i cannot take the glory for this one its by someone i work with
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2095/2073429929_84070ec4cd_b.jpg
not sure it should stay in this forum so put it where you think it should go and pm me

sam-whit-kid
November 29th, 2007, 06:32 PM
i cant see the Flickr pics. says there unavailable

Its AlL gUUd
November 30th, 2007, 01:18 AM
WOW mukkjoy thank your friend from me :okay: thats one great shot! :yes:

wjfox
November 30th, 2007, 09:19 AM
Webcam is down.

Gherkin
November 30th, 2007, 01:54 PM
Let's hope they're moving it to the Leadenhall Tower site :)

mukkjoy
November 30th, 2007, 06:28 PM
heres a new link for the project its for the entrance area but currently itss not being updated as all the cameras currently have a fault

http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/camputer33.jpg

jorgen
November 30th, 2007, 06:30 PM
Wow, haven't seen that webcam angle before. Thanks :)

sam-whit-kid
December 1st, 2007, 12:05 AM
lol that view is toally un-recognisable to me... but its not like i no the building so, no matter :P

mukkjoy
December 1st, 2007, 02:41 AM
my friends photo again just a better size

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/0a00319d.jpg

NothingBetterToDo
December 1st, 2007, 02:43 AM
^^ Great pics - love the haze in the second pic. It makes Canary Wharf look like a distant mountain range :happy:

mukkjoy
December 1st, 2007, 02:47 AM
thats cheered me up i took it off because i thought it looked sh** compared to my mates

i'll put it back

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/IMG_2640_edited.jpg

NothingBetterToDo
December 1st, 2007, 02:50 AM
I actually prefer it to your friends pic - his pic is great, but a bit...well.....meh, seen it all before.

The haze adds something different and more interesting :D

mukkjoy
December 1st, 2007, 02:58 AM
:cheers2: thanks

Brightonboi
December 1st, 2007, 03:47 AM
Its good to see some smoke in the smokey city! Even if its just air con and fog....

Its AlL gUUd
December 1st, 2007, 12:09 PM
That Haze one looks absolutely awesome! :happy: how could u think it looked sh** mukkjoy?

mukkjoy
December 1st, 2007, 12:26 PM
That Haze one looks absolutely awesome! :happy: how could u think it looked sh** mukkjoy?

i think this is when the view looks its best but its such a pig to get a good picture of it. its so much better in the flesh this really dosn't do it justice.:cry:

Its AlL gUUd
December 1st, 2007, 12:29 PM
i think this is when the view looks its best but its such a pig to get a good picture of it. its so much better in the flesh this really dosn't do it justice.:cry:

i bet :yes: i guess i should get up there soon and see the view for myself :)

wjfox
December 1st, 2007, 07:43 PM
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/wjfox2005/London_general/18.jpg



http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/wjfox2005/London_general/19.jpg



http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/wjfox2005/London_general/20.jpg



http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/wjfox2005/London_general/21.jpg



http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/wjfox2005/London_general/22.jpg



http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/wjfox2005/London_general/23.jpg



http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/wjfox2005/London_general/24.jpg



http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/wjfox2005/London_general/25.jpg




http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/wjfox2005/London_general/26.jpg

mrout
December 1st, 2007, 10:50 PM
beautiful shots!

Newcastle Guy
December 1st, 2007, 11:02 PM
Fantastic updates today Will, I love these pics, the crossbracing is fantatic on this building:)

Its AlL gUUd
December 2nd, 2007, 12:54 AM
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/wjfox2005/London_general/21.jpg


that angle looks great!

NothingBetterToDo
December 2nd, 2007, 01:11 AM
I can't believe how quickly this building has gone from a few renders to practically complete (externally) in such a short time...amazing :happy:

If only all London skyscrapers could be like this.

Sparks
December 2nd, 2007, 03:18 AM
First renders - to externally complete in 3 years!

DarJoLe
December 2nd, 2007, 03:26 AM
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/wjfox2005/London_general/23.jpg


Does anyone else see a bit of Minerva in this one? When I look at the silver lift shaft it kinda reminds me of the forward face of what Minerva would have looked like.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/43/87483464_66d0276597_o.jpg

mulattokid
December 2nd, 2007, 01:41 PM
Oh yes...floors, windows, sunlight ;)

GazKinz
December 3rd, 2007, 08:28 PM
From out east

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/GazKinz/Picture007020a.jpg

hayter61
December 3rd, 2007, 11:28 PM
hey im currently in my final year doing my hnc in construction. We are currently have a assignment on 201 Bishopsgate and the broadway tower. We have got to find out about the following

Structural Frame and foundations choice

External Envelope

Structural Floor

Roofing

Compatibility of Materials/ Construction Forms

Impact on the environment in Construction and in use

I have found information on everything except for the structural floor and the roofing. If anyone could give me some information about this or some urls. that would be great. Inoformation on any of the other points would be much appriciated aswell cheers

mukkjoy
December 4th, 2007, 12:06 AM
hey im currently in my final year doing my hnc in construction. We are currently have a assignment on 201 Bishopsgate and the broadway tower. We have got to find out about the following

Structural Frame and foundations choice

External Envelope

Structural Floor

Roofing

Compatibility of Materials/ Construction Forms

Impact on the environment in Construction and in use

I have found information on everything except for the structural floor and the roofing. If anyone could give me some information about this or some urls. that would be great. Inoformation on any of the other points would be much appriciated aswell cheers

pm me i'm sure i can help

Sparks
December 4th, 2007, 12:47 AM
hayter has just struck gold.

potto
December 4th, 2007, 12:57 AM
:lol:

Brightonboi
December 4th, 2007, 01:33 AM
Whos haytin now?

mukkjoy
December 9th, 2007, 01:45 AM
Took some shots of the 201 building for a change because design wise its a cracker. The building is due to finish in Feb so the site is very busy at the moment. (The quality of the pictures are very poor. not sure whats happened but it was very cold so maybe i had the shakes sorry!:?)

The main entrance is huge with an atrium in the centre rising 12 floors.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/72e52b06.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/b27b8e13.jpg

The centre piece of the atrium is a segmented glass wall rising the whole of the 12 floors the architects idea is that it represents a waterfall. I'm not sure about that but from an engineering perspective it's impressive and with the final lighting effects in place it should look fantastic.

A view from the top looking down.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/f8193bc2.jpg

One from the bottom looking up. (the pictures really don't do it justice)

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/a1c46e91.jpg

The final shot is of the roof where the architects have really thought the design through in regard to the tower looking down on to it. The roof plant has been totally hidden from the tower by fitting Louvre's over the top with the direction pointing away from the building to it's left.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/228de882.jpg

Downfallen
December 9th, 2007, 02:51 AM
wow....it is nice inside

Splish
December 9th, 2007, 03:08 AM
wow....it is nice inside

*Extremely nice

Splish
December 9th, 2007, 03:09 AM
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NothingBetterToDo
December 9th, 2007, 03:23 AM
Wow, looks stunning. Cheers for the pics mukkjoy

Medo
December 9th, 2007, 04:27 AM
Oh wow, that waterfall thingy is wicked. :eek:

SELondoner
December 9th, 2007, 11:03 AM
Thanks for the pics, very interesting

GazKinz
December 10th, 2007, 11:40 PM
A few from Sunday

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/GazKinz/Picture008146.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/GazKinz/Picture008128.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/GazKinz/Picture008155.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/GazKinz/Picture008156.jpg

Chief
December 10th, 2007, 11:44 PM
Does anyone else think the eastern elevation looks really cheap? I don't like the way the lift cores stick out and are covered in cheap-looking plastic cladding.

Other than that, I think it's rather a handsome beast. Love the shots of the interior of 201.

TomD'07
December 11th, 2007, 12:16 AM
Those bottom layers look even better now without the protection sheets.love the pink tube carriage!

mukkjoy
December 11th, 2007, 12:20 AM
Does anyone else think the eastern elevation looks really cheap? I don't like the way the lift cores stick out and are covered in cheap-looking plastic cladding.

Other than that, I think it's rather a handsome beast. Love the shots of the interior of 201.

believe me there is nothing cheap about any of the cladding. the lift core panels are definitely glass (if you look half way up you can see where one has been smashed!). the glass is frosted so when the lifts are running you'll only see the cars going up and down without the ugly mechanicals spoilling the effect.:wallbash:oh but thanks for the comments about the 201 shots:D

mukkjoy
December 11th, 2007, 12:30 AM
Those bottom layers look even better now without the protection sheets.love the pink tube carriage!

the protection is finally being removed as final snagging is being carried out on the inside of the panels and also the blinds are being fitted. i think your right it does look better but I'm not so sure once the tenants move in as all the various desks etc in all different layouts per floor will make it look untidy. but i guess it wouldn't be there without them

chest
December 11th, 2007, 12:51 AM
thanks for all the info Mukkjoy it makes coming to this thread worthwhile - to find someone who makes such a positive contribution .
Just a question - I notice the largest shaft is now uplit at the top at night - is this the beginning of the night lighting scheme or just temporary?

mukkjoy
December 11th, 2007, 01:11 AM
thanks for all the info Mukkjoy it makes coming to this thread worthwhile - to find someone who makes such a positive contribution .
Just a question - I notice the largest shaft is now uplit at the top at night - is this the beginning of the night lighting scheme or just temporary?

just temps i'm afraid. do they look good? oh you reminded me to put a shot up of what's inside it

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/4085f3e6.jpg

chest
December 11th, 2007, 01:20 AM
just temps i'm afraid. do they look good?


shame, it looks really good.

sam-whit-kid
December 11th, 2007, 05:29 PM
sum1 get a pic before its too late!!!! :P

chest
December 12th, 2007, 01:35 AM
http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/broadgate2.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/broadgate.jpg

jorgen
December 12th, 2007, 11:31 AM
Wow, T42 looks great in that pic.

decks67
December 13th, 2007, 09:17 PM
u can just see 20 fenchurch in the corner of the pic being Demolished

nowvoyeurger
December 13th, 2007, 09:23 PM
thx mukkjoy (esp) gazkinz and chest for the pics! awesome. all the xmas joy i could hope for!

i really love the way this building has been designed and constructed with a great deal of attention to detail and subtle brilliance. am i alone in thinking that it truly juxtaposes with the surrounding victorian buildings and does not jar? i can't quite figure out why.

milkymilky
December 14th, 2007, 10:11 PM
thx mukkjoy (esp) gazkinz and chest for the pics! awesome. all the xmas joy i could hope for!

i really love the way this building has been designed and constructed with a great deal of attention to detail and subtle brilliance. am i alone in thinking that it truly juxtaposes with the surrounding victorian buildings and does not jar? i can't quite figure out why.

I think you've just said the reason why - the fact it's such high quality yet understated shows respect to it's surroundings

mukkjoy
December 16th, 2007, 01:39 AM
its worth looking at this web cam next week and beginning of the new year as canopy glass is currently being erected (in a similar design theme to the waterfall in 201) and escalators will follow straight after.

http://http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/camputer33.jpg (http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/camputer33.jpg)

Officer Dibble
December 16th, 2007, 02:02 AM
^^corrected link (http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/camputer33.jpg)

mukkjoy
December 16th, 2007, 02:13 AM
took these shots on Wednesday and couldn't believe this was really pollution but it did look kind of cool!

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/a693a226.jpg


http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/31f41f98.jpg


http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/b4642da4.jpg


more from the top looking south toward the tower 42. taken about noon. you can see everyone is making the most of the good weather and working flat out!:grouphug:. just keep the good weather coming!

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/ae26a4e1.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/3d73b0a0.jpg

finally finished the southern end of the cooling tower

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/b1573b2f.jpg

and finally heres a reason why planning of a tower often gets rejected (imagine this view once northgate/ bishops place/ bishopsgate goodsyard are built! no more sunbathing )

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/96bac82e.jpg

Chief
December 16th, 2007, 02:17 AM
Those pics are unbelievable mukkjoy - many thanks. We walk around in that muck every day - makes you wonder what we're doing to ourselves and to this planet. And, essentially, it's all in the pursuit of wealth.

mukkjoy
December 16th, 2007, 02:17 AM
^^corrected link (http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/camputer33.jpg)


:cheers:

mulattokid
December 16th, 2007, 12:44 PM
!

and finally heres a reason why planning of a tower often gets rejected (imagine this view once northgate/ bishops place/ bishopsgate goodsyard are built! no more sunbathing )

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/96bac82e.jpg


Delightful....I cant recall the last time I spent so much time examining someones pics!

Dont for get this is the sun at its lowest...in summer the shadow is much shorter...and sunbathers nipples are much more flaccid too!

Varenukha
December 16th, 2007, 01:03 PM
Mukkjoy - thanks for these photographs. They are excellent, very interesting.

johnt_gr
December 16th, 2007, 01:28 PM
I can only say a big WOW to your photos Mukkjoy! Many thanks for your pics!

CrazyMac
December 16th, 2007, 03:11 PM
When you see pics like this, it brings home just how less dense London is compared to other big world cities...:(

Too many undeveloped spaces and open green spaces in the centre of London..:(

Still, lovely pics....

sam-whit-kid
December 16th, 2007, 03:50 PM
well theres nothing wrong with green spaces. but undeveloped places annoys me a lot! especially when they start demolishing the nice places and keep the dumps! oh well progress happens in funny ways.

NothingBetterToDo
December 16th, 2007, 04:32 PM
wo-wa-we-wah awesome pics :omg:

fog/haze/pollution just seems to make London look so huuuuuge (even bigger than it actually is)

NothingBetterToDo
December 16th, 2007, 04:35 PM
When you see pics like this, it brings home just how less dense London is compared to other big world cities...:(

Too many undeveloped spaces and open green spaces in the centre of London..:(

Still, lovely pics....

Are you mad man??

The little parks and green spaces are what makes London more bearable than other more densely packed cities. Having a little green oasis to escape to from the hubbub is fantastic.

London is renowned as being one of 'greenest' major cities in the world. That's not to say we shouldn't build more densely, but it should by means be at the expense of green spaces in the city centre.

Vic Street
December 16th, 2007, 05:20 PM
When you see pics like this, it brings home just how less dense London is compared to other big world cities...:(

Too many undeveloped spaces and open green spaces in the centre of London..:(


Ridiculous comment, absolutlely ridiculous.

ferge
December 16th, 2007, 05:32 PM
Too true, what a muppet.. London not dense? Aye mate..spose Thames aint wet either

El_Greco
December 16th, 2007, 05:33 PM
No need for name calling.

mulattokid
December 16th, 2007, 06:30 PM
When you see pics like this, it brings home just how less dense London is compared to other big world cities...:(

Too many undeveloped spaces and open green spaces in the centre of London..:(

Still, lovely pics....

:mad2:

CrazyMac
December 16th, 2007, 07:08 PM
Ridiculous comment, absolutlely ridiculous.

Compared to the other Alpha World cities of New York, Paris and Tokyo, Londons density isnt even in the same league.

Im not talking about overall size, just density.

Zenith
December 16th, 2007, 07:13 PM
And London is better than all of them, so that's ok then is it not.

archelon
December 16th, 2007, 07:23 PM
you've probabaly taken those density figures from some wikipedia style site where they are just population divided by area, when u think about, in the day time the square mile, which is actually a little bigger than a square mile, but only just, contains over 300,000 people, i think thats pretty dense.

anyhow, who said a city is made better by density, surely more room is better. London did density a hundred years ago, its moved on, people don't want to live like they're in a sardine can, the tube is bad enough

DarJoLe
December 16th, 2007, 07:26 PM
Compared to the other Alpha World cities of New York, Paris and Tokyo, Londons density isnt even in the same league.

And that's a bad thing?

Vic Street
December 16th, 2007, 07:29 PM
Compared to the other Alpha World cities of New York, Paris and Tokyo, Londons density isnt even in the same league.

Im not talking about overall size, just density.

Compared to the other Alpha World cities of New York, Paris and Tokyo, Londons density isnt even in the same league.

Im not talking about overall size, just density.

For a start, most of those photos you were commenting on were looking out East across Whitechapel, Bethnal Green and on towards Stratford. All residential areas, with Stratford obviously under major redevelopment. Why would these areas benefit from being high density? And why would anyone want to live on top of each other? That is not how to develope a world class city. Paris residential areas are not high density either, out of those cities only Tokyo is.

I don't get your obsession with density, and it seems no one else does either.

CrazyMac
December 16th, 2007, 07:51 PM
Well so far no one has actually disagreed with my statement that London is less dense than the other 3 Alpha cities.

So whats with all of the pouring abuse at me.....either put up or shut up.



Humorless wankers.

snail456
December 16th, 2007, 08:10 PM
Humorless wankers.

Wow...you completely swayed me with you incredibly well constructed and totally appropriate arguement.

snail456
December 16th, 2007, 08:12 PM
you've probabaly taken those density figures from some wikipedia style site where they are just population divided by area, when u think about, in the day time the square mile, which is actually a little bigger than a square mile, but only just, contains over 300,000 people, i think thats pretty dense.

anyhow, who said a city is made better by density, surely more room is better. London did density a hundred years ago, its moved on, people don't want to live like they're in a sardine can, the tube is bad enough

here here!

BeestonLad
December 16th, 2007, 08:24 PM
And London is better than all of them, so that's ok then is it not.

:lol: most neutrals would disagree I reckon

JohnB
December 16th, 2007, 10:25 PM
took these shots on Wednesday and couldn't believe this was really pollution but it did look kind of cool!

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/a693a226.jpg[

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/31f41f98.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/b4642da4.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/ae26a4e1.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/3d73b0a0.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/b1573b2f.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/96bac82e.jpg

Outstanding images! Thanks, mukkjoy.

mukkjoy
December 16th, 2007, 11:20 PM
cheers Mukkjoy, fantastic pics as always, just a question - where are the aircraft warning lights going - on the top of the cooling tower - or either end of the roof?


^^proof

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/7e537079.jpg

Downfallen
December 16th, 2007, 11:31 PM
Cracking picture.......good skills.

mukkjoy
December 16th, 2007, 11:42 PM
thx mukkjoy (esp) gazkinz and chest for the pics! awesome. all the xmas joy i could hope for!

i really love the way this building has been designed and constructed with a great deal of attention to detail and subtle brilliance. am i alone in thinking that it truly juxtaposes with the surrounding victorian buildings and does not jar? i can't quite figure out why.

thanks i enjoy doing them but I'm on site everyday with a camera in my pocket so when it looks right i just snap, gazkinz and chest plus others go out there way to take them so more praise to them.

well seeing you talking of Christmas has got me thinking. i wonder what i could possibly get for certain deserving people of this forum??

chest
December 17th, 2007, 12:09 AM
cheers Mukkjoy - just a question - do you have any idea what the law is regarding aircraft warning lights and tall buildings - is it voluntary - or are their specific criteria
cheers.

mukkjoy
December 17th, 2007, 12:12 AM
cheers Mukkjoy - just a question - do you have any idea what the law is regarding aircraft warning lights and tall buildings - is it voluntary - or are their specific criteria
cheers.

its specific

mukkjoy
December 17th, 2007, 12:21 AM
thanks for all the info Mukkjoy it makes coming to this thread worthwhile - to find someone who makes such a positive contribution .
Just a question - I notice the largest shaft is now uplit at the top at night - is this the beginning of the night lighting scheme or just temporary?

now this was spooky because i went in the next day and bl's marketing team come on site to look at lighting options for the building to keep interest now the main cladding is up. they are considering neon lighting for the crosses and corners. not sure on the colour though WHITE!:wtf:

wjfox
December 17th, 2007, 12:32 AM
they are considering neon lighting for the crosses and corners. not sure on the colour though WHITE!:


omg, that would be awesome - like the Bank of China Tower in Hong Kong...


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Bank_of_China_Tower_4%2C_Hong_Kong%2C_Mar_06.JPG/450px-Bank_of_China_Tower_4%2C_Hong_Kong%2C_Mar_06.JPG

mukkjoy
December 17th, 2007, 12:39 AM
i take that coment back!

Chief
December 17th, 2007, 12:58 AM
Jeez, why did everyone jump on the guy who said London isn't dense? Why is it almost impossible to have an intelligent conversation on these boards? He wasn't having a go at London, just saying it's not particularly dense. Which is absolutely true.

To say London is not dense is not to insult London. It's like saying the sky is blue. So why did so many people feel the need to get on the defensive and start attacking him personally?

Anyone who went to the Global Cities exhibition at the Tate Modern a few months back will know that this isn't a spurious statement. London has an extraordinarily large number of private gardens and public green spaces in its centre. This is something to be proud of.

The internet really turns some people into idiots. And that's me being diplomatic.

mukkjoy
December 17th, 2007, 01:03 AM
^^totally agree! i started to feel guilty for posting pics in the first place

Newcastle Guy
December 17th, 2007, 01:12 AM
Yes, that would be fantastic! I would love a lighting scheme like that on this building, it certaily would keep it interesting!

mukkjoy
December 17th, 2007, 01:14 AM
oh red was mentioned as well

Downfallen
December 17th, 2007, 01:45 AM
Lights on the BG tower beams.......:okay:
Wow..would just be totally ace/mint/right on/sweet....please pick your appropriate adjective...

Vic Street
December 17th, 2007, 01:47 AM
I'll go with pucker. Seeing as I grew up in the 80's

Jamandell (d69)
December 17th, 2007, 02:07 AM
Why have it be one colour when you could have it constantly changing colour? I wouldn't mind that :)

NothingBetterToDo
December 17th, 2007, 03:29 AM
Jeez, why did everyone jump on the guy who said London isn't dense? Why is it almost impossible to have an intelligent conversation on these boards? He wasn't having a go at London, just saying it's not particularly dense. Which is absolutely true.

To say London is not dense is not to insult London. It's like saying the sky is blue. So why did so many people feel the need to get on the defensive and start attacking him personally?

Anyone who went to the Global Cities exhibition at the Tate Modern a few months back will know that this isn't a spurious statement. London has an extraordinarily large number of private gardens and public green spaces in its centre. This is something to be proud of.

The internet really turns some people into idiots. And that's me being diplomatic.

Well, everyone else jumped on his back.

I merely pointed out the green spaces are wonderful and we should be keeping them.

But i agreed we needed to build more density.

(I feel the need to say this as i was the one who started it - but i don't want to be lumped as one of those people who attacks anyone who dares imply anything bad about London....i am not one of those people :nono:)

Tony Resta
December 17th, 2007, 12:08 PM
omg, that would be awesome - like the Bank of China Tower in Hong Kong...


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Bank_of_China_Tower_4%2C_Hong_Kong%2C_Mar_06.JPG/450px-Bank_of_China_Tower_4%2C_Hong_Kong%2C_Mar_06.JPG

that would be an awesome idea

elfabyanos
December 17th, 2007, 02:31 PM
Jeez, why did everyone jump on the guy who said London isn't dense? Why is it almost impossible to have an intelligent conversation on these boards? He wasn't having a go at London, just saying it's not particularly dense. Which is absolutely true.

The internet really turns some people into idiots. And that's me being diplomatic.


I agree too. It would have been more polite to ask for clarification of where he thought we should build on. If he had then replied 'Hyde Park' or something then the vilification would have been justified. Otherwise it's just aggressive.

milkymilky
December 17th, 2007, 02:42 PM
Here's a shot taken a few days ago (it's the view from my living room window - lucky me he he!). Apologies about the quality, I really need to upgrade my camera. However, you can clearly see the impact of Broadgate on the skyline. Unfortunately we've got the fatter back-side from North London. Can't wait to see some other rising to join the cluster from next year onwards :cheers:

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj219/mjf297/WideAngleSmog131207.jpg

milkymilky
December 17th, 2007, 02:49 PM
Zoomed in view of the city from a few weeks ago:

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj219/mjf297/ThreateningClouds111107.jpg

El_Greco
December 17th, 2007, 05:05 PM
Nice!

Newcastle Guy
December 17th, 2007, 05:42 PM
Woah, fantastic view mate! It will be amazing in a few years!

MercuryRise
December 17th, 2007, 05:54 PM
this view reminds me of the views from Ally Pally. which btw are spectacular.

rickster2k
December 17th, 2007, 10:20 PM
I like that due to lack of interior equipment/fit out the tower looks semi transparent.

johnt_gr
December 17th, 2007, 10:20 PM
Zoomed in view of the city from a few weeks ago:

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj219/mjf297/ThreateningClouds111107.jpg

hehe, history in the making!

ferge
December 17th, 2007, 10:45 PM
not wantin to stoke up old grievances but since when did density only refer to high-rises? Yes other cities may have avenue after avenue of talls but they're not all built on old historic road and streetscapes.. thats what I would consider density.

just because its not looking like benidorm doesn't mean its not dense

Chief
December 18th, 2007, 12:31 AM
Depends on what your measure of density is mate. Usually, it's measured in terms of the number of people who live in a given area, which as you point out doesn't necessarily mean high rise.

For anyone who's interested, a great summary of the Global Cities exhibition is available on the Tate Modern website (http://www.tate.org.uk/modern/exhibitions/globalcities/density.shtm). Highly recommended reading - not least because it clears up a lot of the issues raised in this thread.

mukkjoy
December 18th, 2007, 12:40 AM
OK last week London had thick fog this meant you could not see how :bleep:dense London was because there was no London. the pictures below were taken by a man called Damien who works on the project and he kindly passed them on because i was stuck on the ground. comment on these or the project but not how :bleep: dense :bleep: London is please

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/55a50553.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/029aaf16.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/8a7fb100.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/0c95bbfb.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/d92b7662.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/82896d7c.jpg

where should post these pictures and others like them in future as they don't really go in this forum apart from the fact its the view from the top?:?

El_Greco
December 18th, 2007, 12:42 AM
You can post pictures in 'Random London Photo Thread'.
Those are awesome btw.

chest
December 18th, 2007, 01:01 AM
the picture with the Gherkin in is fantastic Mukkjoy - I think they are ok posted here - far fewer people look in the other forums
Mukkjoy dont worry about threads descending into rows and 'unpleasentness' they all do, just keep posting your info and brilliant pics and then let everyone else screech and rant and do whatever it is they have to do - don't let it bother you at all.

Downfallen
December 18th, 2007, 01:06 AM
My gawd.....those fog shots are brilliant.
I dunno how you would get any work done at all with that kind of view all around you..

Black Cat
December 18th, 2007, 01:40 AM
INCREDIBLE shots!

Thank you mukkjoy and Damien.

Horizon911
December 18th, 2007, 01:50 AM
Fantastic shots.

The only other time I've seen similar shots to those (apart from being in a plane) is when I have been at the top of the old wtc towers and Snowdonia.

Those pictures beat what I've seen hands down, mainly due to the fantastic colours of the setting sun in those shots. Absolutely breathtaking pictures, thanks for posting them.

Did anyone see the picture in the Daily Mail yesterday of the Australian coast with its tidal wave of clouds about to "hit" the coast? A great pic too. It's clearly the season of fantastic weather shots.

TomD'07
December 18th, 2007, 10:03 AM
^^ yeh saw that pic, was incredible. When you get high pressure this time of year in britain you can get fantastic shots, especially of blanket fog and low mists. love the above photos, thanks for posting. My love of geography is now showing!

elfabyanos
December 18th, 2007, 12:01 PM
Amazing, I love the one of CW with the fog rolling over one of the smaller buldings like a wave crashing on a beach.

Tony Resta
December 18th, 2007, 12:03 PM
The Big Smoke

wjfox
December 18th, 2007, 12:17 PM
Stunning pictures - you should post those in the World Forums.

NothingBetterToDo
December 18th, 2007, 02:25 PM
WOW - Right Click > Save....Right Click > Set as new Background

:okay:

Varenukha
December 18th, 2007, 02:47 PM
OK last week London had thick fog this meant you could not see how :bleep:dense London was because there was no London. the pictures below were taken by a man called Damien who works on the project and he kindly passed them on because i was stuck on the ground. comment on these or the project but not how :bleep: dense :bleep: London is please

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/55a50553.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/029aaf16.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/8a7fb100.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/0c95bbfb.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/d92b7662.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/82896d7c.jpg

where should post these pictures and others like them in future as they don't really go in this forum apart from the fact its the view from the top?:?

Great pictures. Sadly, it's impossible to see from them how dense London really is.

Jamandell (d69)
December 18th, 2007, 03:25 PM
You didn't have to quote them all did you.

Varenukha
December 18th, 2007, 03:55 PM
No I didn't. I thought it may add to the comic effect.

ferge
December 18th, 2007, 09:30 PM
the shots are superb but the one that strikes me the most is the lack of fog around swiss re.. makes it looks really sci-fi as if it had just landed amongst an alien atmosphere, lol... really interesting (although id be a bit scared bein in a high up building n seeing fog like that sweep in..)

milkymilky
December 18th, 2007, 10:28 PM
:eek2: WOW!!

this is why we need some tall buildings in London with public viewing platforms

jorgen
December 18th, 2007, 10:55 PM
Yesterdays Dragon's Den had a nice shot of Broadgate Tower. I think the series is recorded in a building nearby as you can see quick clips of the towe in each episode. I've only seen the whole tower once though (yesterday).

decks67
December 18th, 2007, 11:05 PM
would loved to have seen that fog from the top personally. O well in a few years once the shard is built we can

mulattokid
December 18th, 2007, 11:16 PM
I need a tissue :drool:

Its AlL gUUd
December 19th, 2007, 12:17 AM
:uh: WOW, those foggy shots are just AWESOME :drool:

very atmospheric :yes:

mukkjoy
December 19th, 2007, 12:28 AM
its worth looking at this web cam next week and beginning of the new year as canopy glass is currently being erected (in a similar design theme to the waterfall in 201) and escalators will follow straight after.

http://http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/camputer33.jpg (http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/camputer33.jpg)

keep looking this will change fast up till Christmas. you can already see the green glass of the access routing for the low rise lift and people working through the night to get it finished. the access route to the high rise lift will be blue and should be complete over Christmas. also in the foreground you can just see the concrete prep which is due to be poured on Thursday.

MercuryRise
December 19th, 2007, 06:34 PM
anyone see this in The Dragons Den the other day?

EDIT...
seems someone did.. i thought it looked fantastic. a create contrast..

what u make of it..

sam-whit-kid
December 19th, 2007, 10:05 PM
lol i saw dragons den. i thought the presenter was going somewhere with the building e.g. "heres a person the dragons rejected...lets takea tour of his new office!" lol i really got my hopes up :P

plus it looked stunning!

DSimons
December 19th, 2007, 11:21 PM
Fantastic shots.



Those pictures beat what I've seen hands down, mainly due to the fantastic colours of the setting sun in those shots.


Surely that must be the rising sun...it is in the south-east...when did you ever see the sun setting in the south east? Also...it is more usual to see fog in the mornings than in the eveings.

Great pictures!

sam-whit-kid
December 20th, 2007, 05:15 PM
plus there would be millions of lights on even when its that light if the sun was setting. still awe inspiring pics tho :D

Mikey
December 20th, 2007, 08:29 PM
wow those pics are amazing.... reminds me of a day when flying back to Biggin Hill with my instructor doing ILS training.... now where is that runway ;)

Astounded
December 23rd, 2007, 01:16 PM
Fantastic images!

Now this is a great reason to build more skyscrapers in London, to get to the sunlight!! :righton:

jimbo
December 23rd, 2007, 02:42 PM
this is just getting silly now, each time a more incredible series of images from atop the Broadgate Tower. I can't imagine the orgasmic reactions of forum members if mukkjoy transfers to 122 Leadenhall Street and starts posting from 220m up as well.

Legendary photos, just absolutely fantastic.

Newcastle Guy
December 23rd, 2007, 03:29 PM
Agreed, Mukkjoy has quickly become an asset to the London forum.

Mate, the photos you take/get your hands on are brilliant.:cheers: We all pray that you get to work on the Leadenhall Building:)

tommygunn
December 23rd, 2007, 06:54 PM
When you see pics like this, it brings home just how less dense London is compared to other big world cities...:(

Too many undeveloped spaces and open green spaces in the centre of London..:(

Still, lovely pics....

LOL London is probably one of the densest cities in the world mate.

sam-whit-kid
December 23rd, 2007, 10:46 PM
^^ he obviously only meant dense interms of skyscrapers... which is true, lets face facts :D

GazKinz
December 23rd, 2007, 10:58 PM
LOL London is probably one of the densest cities in the world mate.

Not by a long shot, London has quite a low density, for example Paris is twice as dense, not sure what the densest city in world is, Hong Kong, or maybe somewhere like Dhaka?

Its AlL gUUd
December 23rd, 2007, 11:06 PM
ehhh why would anyone want London to be cramped and dense like those cities? :dunno: i love the green open spaces and parks :yes: i would hate for that to change. if u are just living around buildings life would be such a waste, i love parks :happy:

Tony Resta
December 28th, 2007, 10:26 AM
So at what stage is this tower at now? Havent seen/heard of it in some time now.

randolph
December 28th, 2007, 11:36 AM
LOL London is probably one of the densest cities in the world mate.

Go to the top of The Eifle Tower if you want to see a'dense' cirty. London looks like a forest interupted by a few buildings when seen fom up high - it is not dense at all. I often wish that it had some more density - especially like that of European cities with their narrower streets and taller buildings - Paris or Barcelona for example.

Madman
December 28th, 2007, 11:57 AM
^ London was never meant to be a dense city really, we British have never really been too keen on the urban existance, it wasn't a coincidence we practically invented everything to do with the development of modern day garden cities and suburbs. What makes London unique is its villages, its almost unending sprawl, going to places like Richmond, Greenwich or Hampstead you feel almost in a separate village/town. Much more interesting in my opinion...

wjfox
December 28th, 2007, 12:05 PM
So at what stage is this tower at now? Havent seen/heard of it in some time now.

Completion is due in May 2008. Its smaller neighbour 201 Bishopsgate will be complete in February 2008.

Tony Resta
December 28th, 2007, 12:16 PM
Completion is due in May 2008. Its smaller neighbour 201 Bishopsgate will be complete in February 2008.

Thanks for that

EDIT: So do we know if they're still planning on doing the neon lighting for this building?

mukkjoy
December 28th, 2007, 05:05 PM
Completion is due in May 2008. Its smaller neighbour 201 Bishopsgate will be complete in February 2008.


your correct about 201 bishopsgate but broadgate tower is actually due on the 4th July 2008 all going well.

the neon lighting is still being looked at by British lands pr and a sample has been put up on the south face of the building at level 4. it's actually very small (about 600mm long fixed vertically) but can be seen from primrose street if you stand on the opposite side of the street. oh the sample colour is RED (let the comments about the colour begin).

Tony Resta
December 28th, 2007, 05:10 PM
Would someone be able to take a pic tonight?

Ahh, if only i lived in London, i would go around taking shots of everything all day long.

mukkjoy
December 28th, 2007, 05:45 PM
Would someone be able to take a pic tonight?

Ahh, if only i lived in London, i would go around taking shots of everything all day long.

it's really not worth it. the sample is tiny, its only to see how bright it would be.

NothingBetterToDo
December 28th, 2007, 05:48 PM
Red? hmm, interesting - i'd have to see it before passing comment.

But i would have thought neon blue or white would look better, if a tad predictable.

Tony Resta
December 28th, 2007, 05:53 PM
it's really not worth it. the sample is tiny, its only to see how bright it would be.

So once the building is covered will it be visible from far away?

johnt_gr
December 28th, 2007, 09:56 PM
Go to the top of The Eifle Tower if you want to see a'dense' cirty. London looks like a forest interupted by a few buildings when seen fom up high - it is not dense at all. I often wish that it had some more density - especially like that of European cities with their narrower streets and taller buildings - Paris or Barcelona for example.

If you really want to see the ultimate european dense city, just climb up Acropolis or Lycabetus hills and see Athens from above...it's like a forest of concrete interrupted by few green spots...totally opposite from London! lolz!

Brightonboi
December 28th, 2007, 11:01 PM
Red, Brillliant ! There is loads of blue around these days, I would of prefferd white but red is great too !

mukkjoy
December 28th, 2007, 11:38 PM
So once the building is covered will it be visible from far away?

part of the reason for the sample not just the colour is to see whether its worth doing due to installation issues. for it to be most effective and pick out the diagonal members it should really be fixed to the outside of the building but this is not practical as it will affect the completion date of the building. to install the lighting the use of cranes or cradles (which are totally used for the main install of the cladding) will be needed and also how it would be fixed to the outside securely without damaging the cladding in someway is unknown. the final problems if it was fixed to the outside is how the building would get its final clean down before handover in the light areas and obviously it's final removal.

so the idea at the moment is for it to fixed inside which may not have the same effect and also to see if blinds etc can be installed with it in place.

i know it's along winded answer but i don't want to build anyones hopes up just yet but if it goes ahead you should see it for miles!

NothingBetterToDo
December 28th, 2007, 11:45 PM
^^ Its such a shame a lighting scheme wasn't designed into the building form the outset, did they not realise it get dark in London? :nuts: - seems like a silly oversight.

mukkjoy
December 28th, 2007, 11:57 PM
^^ Its such a shame a lighting scheme wasn't designed into the building form the outset, did they not realise it get dark in London? :nuts: - seems like a silly oversight.

it's the same reason as always MONEY!. once the building is up and running the lighting would have to be maintained which would never be easy.

DarJoLe
December 29th, 2007, 12:03 AM
Personally I think it looks great with the cross bracing dark at night, being silhouetted from the office lights inside.

mukkjoy
December 29th, 2007, 12:09 AM
Personally I think it looks great with the cross bracing dark at night, being silhouetted from the office lights inside.

i agree but the building is empty at the moment. what it will look like when various companies move in different sections of the building with their own decor i'm not so sure.

sam-whit-kid
December 29th, 2007, 12:45 AM
well decor isnt as noticable from a distance where you mostly see the light coming through, and there shouldnt be a lot blocking the light from the windows because its only office space that reaches the windows. its not like they can just plonk down a big wall infront of a few windows for a toilet :D

i think neon strips on all the diagonal parts would turn out looking a bit hing kongy too me(not that its a bad thing). maybe after about 30 years when the areas much much more dense with tall buildings a neon scheme would fit in. but not right now. understated lighting is the best way to go at the moment. let tower 42 be the pioneer of a well lit up building!

mukkjoy
December 29th, 2007, 01:20 AM
its not like they can just plonk down a big wall infront of a few windows for a toilet

question- where will the kitchen/ tea bars be?:dunno:

question- has anyone noticed blanked out windows for the toilets even though they are on the perimeter?:ohno:

and just say for instance your company decide to occupy the top 10 floors and you need to travel between floors on a regular basis. going in and out of a shared use lift would become a real problem, surely fitting your personal spiral staircase would make life alot easier:gossip: believe me it happens oh sorry happening!

NothingBetterToDo
December 29th, 2007, 01:22 AM
it's the same reason as always MONEY!. once the building is up and running the lighting would have to be maintained which would never be easy.

Typical - but what's with the change of heart all of a sudden?? Any lighting scheme they put in now will just cause more cost on installation and maintainance in the future (i would imagine).

Or are the plans for the red lighting scheme just temporary??

mukkjoy
December 29th, 2007, 01:27 AM
just temps. now the building is clad interest will calm down so i think its just to keep the interest there until it opens

NothingBetterToDo
December 29th, 2007, 01:37 AM
Ahhh, i see, i see.

Thats a shame :(

mukkjoy
January 3rd, 2008, 01:13 AM
here's some pics taken by a friend on the 20th December.
it wasn't the smoothest of walk rounds l ever done but i hope to all who came it was worth it.
part of the problem that day were hazy weather conditions, not the best for taking pictures but somehow he managed to get these.

this shot is from the top of the cooling tower looking south.
you can see one of the cleaning cradles which should be up and running in the next few weeks.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/fea1ace9.jpg

this a shot of one of the window installation teams fitting the final panels to the west elevation.
the weather had been poor for a few days so progress had been slow.
somehow when the weather picked up the installers went hell for leather and managed to get the critical parts of the building weather tight for Christmas:bow:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/de9ec62f.jpg


this is of the same subject as before but in this shot you can see a fella with a black hat.
this man has been in charge of the installers on site since day one but unfortunately for the site he got promotion at Christmas and so he wont be back.( if you see this thanks for everything! and now its my turn to say 'are you still f****** part of this project or what?')
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/cdb22f8b.jpg


cranes/ man rider basket and:dunno:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/63de62ab.jpg


:eek2: someone showing off i think;)
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/baf72ed9.jpg


definitely showing off!:lol:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/ac3fb9b1.jpg
(sorry mate, just kidding! the pics are excellent thanks)

The Sage
January 3rd, 2008, 11:18 AM
Well, the pics are certainly, um, 'arty', but I can't say you get much of an idea of how everything is going, or indeed the building itself... :tongue2:

mukkjoy
January 3rd, 2008, 11:34 AM
Well, the pics are certainly, um, 'arty', but I can't say you get much of an idea of how everything is going, or indeed the building itself... :tongue2:

i know what your saying but when someone goes on a site visit progress is not the priority and when your actually on site its hard to get pictures that show overall progress. people don't seem to take many distant shots anymore as most of the cladding is fixed so i guess there wont be many more of those until the hoists and cranes are removed (which isn't that far away). Ive got some ideas for some new stuff which I'll take when i get back to work (still on Christmas break).

its worth checking the web cam for the entrance lobby for the moment as this area is changing fast.
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/camputer33.jpg
for some reason it doesn't seem to be working right now :bash:

mulattokid
January 3rd, 2008, 11:58 AM
Great pics I think! What is the arrangement with planting of Trees etc? Its the summer I cant wait for.....I love seeing shiny new buildins surrounded by the shimering leaves of trees. oh and not freezing my tits off too!

mukkjoy
January 3rd, 2008, 12:43 PM
Great pics I think! What is the arrangement with planting of Trees etc? Its the summer I cant wait for.....I love seeing shiny new buildins surrounded by the shimering leaves of trees. oh and not freezing my tits off too!

the landscaping contractors are on board but not due to start for a couple of months. 201 bishopsgate is laying the paving around the outside and the hoardings will slowly be removed for the end of February but i don't know how much landscaping there is as it's pretty close to the road. the trees between the two buildings wont start until the galleria roof is fitted (end of February) and the paving fitted.

El_Greco
January 3rd, 2008, 06:15 PM
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/El_Greco/1776_1_100020SOM2020120Bishopsgate2.jpg

mukkjoy
January 4th, 2008, 12:22 AM
some more pictures from the SITE visit on the 20th december. thanks again!

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/99f81cc0.jpg


http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/c901ddd1.jpg


http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/4cc57259.jpg


http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/ca2e7fac.jpg

cladding bracket installers in a man rider going over the the highrise liftshaft
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/ba6100be.jpg

hello mum!:wave:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/9bebd19a.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/mukkjoy/6e675f82.jpg

mukkjoy
January 4th, 2008, 12:27 AM
^^re-el greco


the trees in the render wont happen until July

Downfallen
January 4th, 2008, 01:11 AM
what were those guys doing in the basket?

Edited....didnt read the caption....duh..

mulattokid
January 4th, 2008, 11:46 AM
^^re-el greco


the trees in the render wont happen until July


Thanks Mukkjoy for the info and El Greco for the reminder pick.

July is actually the worst time of year to plant trees. I can see myself running back and for the with bottles of water for them :lol:


Another question if I may....you mention liftshafts in the pics above....are all the lifts going to serve all the floors in this tower?

TomD'07
January 4th, 2008, 03:08 PM
That fourth pic, im just imagining the shard poking up on the skyline...just gotta wait four years!

BeestonLad
January 4th, 2008, 05:09 PM
Thanks Mukkjoy for the info and El Greco for the reminder pick.

July is actually the worst time of year to plant trees. I can see myself running back and for the with bottles of water for them :lol:


Another question if I may....you mention liftshafts in the pics above....are all the lifts going to serve all the floors in this tower?

wouldnt have thought so it could take you forever to get to the top floor!

Pendle
January 4th, 2008, 07:08 PM
Nice pics from top of Broadgate! Any pics of Broadgate itself? Not seen her slender figure for a while on this forum...

mukkjoy
January 4th, 2008, 10:20 PM
^^:poke:come on someone must have taken something lately

mukkjoy
January 4th, 2008, 10:33 PM
Another question if I may....you mention lift shafts in the pics above....are all the lifts going to serve all the floors in this tower?

no the high rise serves 17 up and the low rise well you get the idea.

if you look on the web cam for the entrance lobby you can see different coloured glass on the canopies to the escalators. these will correspond with access pass colour's issued to people working within the building and will only allow personnel with the right colour to access the right lift for their floors.

Black Cat
January 4th, 2008, 11:40 PM
Great pics again mukkjoy, I like the basket shot in particular with St Paul's in the background, and the last two shots.

hella good
January 6th, 2008, 04:35 AM
brilliant photos i love the haze :) this building really is huge and i really love the facade, when i last passed it it was gleaming in the sun. beautiful!

DarJoLe
January 6th, 2008, 01:47 PM
The light this morning was absolutely amazing.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2345/2171034341_37888b82fd_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2036/2171033979_6d486c7c68_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2323/2171825760_163522a6c9_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2218/2171031565_350da3496e_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2171031911_a0f574941d_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2261/2171032493_5b36aceeb2_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2344/2171032797_1744419705_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2255/2171826586_b5d09662ae_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2403/2171897186_948e9080c9_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2300/2171033429_6705882f2d_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2327/2171827094_907951d200_b.jpg

hella good
January 6th, 2008, 01:51 PM
wow fantasic

wjfox
January 6th, 2008, 01:56 PM
Stunning pics. You should post those in the world forum.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=283649

Sitback
January 6th, 2008, 02:28 PM
I always knew this building was gonna kick arse.

mukkjoy
January 6th, 2008, 02:42 PM
The light this morning was absolutely amazing.

at last! i haven't seen it for 2 weeks. i was beginning to get with drawl symptoms but I'm back tomorrow so i can get a proper fix:dizzy:.

brilliant pictures:applause:

Madman
January 6th, 2008, 03:05 PM
Your pics makes their renders look amateur! :D

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2255/2171826586_b5d09662ae_b.jpg

Vic Street
January 6th, 2008, 06:26 PM
Impressive

Comdot
January 6th, 2008, 06:57 PM
mukkjoy- those are some fantabulous pics. the one in the cradle looks so incredibly high up, higher even than 1930s b&w of new york builders.

darjole- thanks for these great pics. it has the feel to me of the refurbished citypoint with a drop of hong kong. the streets and buildings nearby look a tad grim :), i forgot what it was like a short walk from there.

Manuel
January 6th, 2008, 08:37 PM
Very sharp pics! thanks for the update!

aclifford
January 6th, 2008, 09:42 PM
Was in the city this afternoon and took a few snaps as well, they feel kinda redundant now after seeing your pics DarJoLe, but here's a couple anyway

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u155/acl1980/CIMG1602.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u155/acl1980/CIMG1607.jpg

Tony Resta
January 6th, 2008, 10:02 PM
Nice pics, love the way the cladding and the color of the sky are so alike

wearethefuture
January 6th, 2008, 10:10 PM
Nice pics there aclifford, slightly o/t but what lens did you use to get those shots?

Downfallen
January 6th, 2008, 11:12 PM
Nice pics both of you....that sure is a pretty building in the daytime.
I think most other 'new' stuff coming up will always have one eye on Broadgate for the beauty in its simplicity ( by comparison)

TomD'07
January 7th, 2008, 12:33 AM
love the way the clouds are reflected in those pics, kinda like the 122 leadenhall renders are.

aclifford
January 7th, 2008, 02:15 AM
[Quote"what lens did you use to get those shots?"]

a Casio Exiim.

Sparks
January 7th, 2008, 02:23 AM
Wow! This is really looking good.

wearethefuture
January 7th, 2008, 03:14 AM
[Quote"what lens did you use to get those shots?"]

a Casio Exiim.

thanks, was expecting a manual detachable one due to the focus.

marrio415
January 7th, 2008, 03:29 AM
if all the new scrapers going up in the city have the same finished quality as this beauty then were in for a real treat

mulattokid
January 7th, 2008, 10:38 AM
Thansk gents!

Whilst looking at Darrens pics, I thought for a minute the office lights were on.....took me a minute to realise there arnt any offices yet and in fact it was white sheeting being reflected. Another cup of coffee I think.

LostJohnny
January 7th, 2008, 01:54 PM
The other day - peeking out from above the Calyon building! :lol:

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs22/i/2008/006/3/d/Under_Construction_35_by_JohnnySix.jpg

I got a couple more from broadgate circle today - I'll post up later!

gothicform
January 7th, 2008, 05:56 PM
anyone know who the fit-out architects are for this particular scheme?

TomD'07
January 7th, 2008, 08:13 PM
still quite a lot of work going on that side of the building then

mukkjoy
January 7th, 2008, 11:49 PM
still quite a lot of work going on that side of the building then

none that's the problem!. without lifts working inside the building its impossible to finish any cladding to the south elevation. on most buildings the cladding is stacked on top of each other so it's possible to close up to the hoist openings but on broadgate you have the diagonal spandrels which are impossible to fit until the hoists are removed. the intention is for the 8 pole hoist (the large goods hoist) to be dismantled from the 21 January with the passengers hoist following straight after. thats as long as the lifts are up and running.

Its AlL gUUd
January 8th, 2008, 12:01 AM
the cladding is sooo great that it almost puts the sky and clouds to shame :D

loving those pics guys, it would be great to see a lighting scheme on this building with lights on those diagnol crosses.

Vic Street
January 8th, 2008, 02:37 AM
This project has really grown on me.

Face on, it reminds me of a spruced up monolith - you know that thing that keeps appearing randomly in 2001 Space Odyssey.

Nice addition :)

hella good
January 8th, 2008, 01:37 PM
i saw the tower in the background of that new anti smoking advert yesterday. the one where people are stood on giant cigarettes.

JDRS
January 8th, 2008, 06:44 PM
I really like the unfinished look of the girders that criss-cross this beauty.

Madman
January 8th, 2008, 07:30 PM
^ replace 'unfinished' with 'raw industrial aesthetic'!

DarJoLe
January 8th, 2008, 08:55 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2212/2165447517_7af562de72_o.jpg

El_Greco
January 8th, 2008, 08:58 PM
Nice pic.

LostJohnny
January 8th, 2008, 10:56 PM
Fantastic shot DarJoLe! :)

Some taken today/yesterday. I was having to catch up with my mate who was walking for the train, so only had time to get a couple of night shots lol, will try some more tomorrow night with a small tripod, as I have some time to kill while waiting for the next train.

http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs22/i/2008/008/9/6/Under_Construction_39_by_JohnnySix.jpg

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs23/i/2008/008/2/f/Under_Construction_38_by_JohnnySix.jpg

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs22/i/2008/008/5/c/Under_Construction_37_by_JohnnySix.jpg

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs23/i/2008/008/8/5/Under_Construction_36_by_JohnnySix.jpg

wearethefuture
January 8th, 2008, 11:15 PM
Are there plans to contine the massive steel beams all the way down to ground level? Would really finish the look of the building perfectly. Thanks for the brilliant updates from everyone recently! :cheers:

TomD'07
January 9th, 2008, 12:32 AM
wow it looks almost pale greenish in those last few shots, very nice indeed. The beams may end up looking a little 'skinny' if they stay the way they are, still not much to complain about on this one! i can tell from all the recent pics that ts really starting to shine now!

mukkjoy
January 9th, 2008, 12:58 AM
The beams may end up looking a little 'skinny' if they stay the way they are

no the column casings haven't been fitted yet. they are normally left till last because of the risk of damage before handover. if you look at el greco's post on page 61 you can see they will look the same as the main structure

Comdot
January 9th, 2008, 03:04 AM
that steel is looking well sexy at night. great pics lostjohnny

LostJohnny
January 10th, 2008, 11:14 PM
Took some more the last couple of days- first chance to upload - was worth getting wet for tonight, the pavement makes awesome reflections. :cheers:

http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs24/i/2008/010/a/4/Wet_Pavement_17_by_JohnnySix.jpg

http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs22/i/2008/010/1/7/Under_Construction_41_by_JohnnySix.jpg

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs23/i/2008/010/4/4/Under_Construction_40_by_JohnnySix.jpg

Finally, I think it's visible on the left of this shot from Embankment


http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs22/i/2008/010/e/b/The_City_by_JohnnySix.jpg :cheers:

Madman
January 11th, 2008, 12:25 AM
^ Great pics!

That back though, why why why!!! (other than of course the obvious reasons of needing to reach the floors...)