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Quegiebo
April 4th, 2007, 10:07 AM
Towering Hopes

By SHANNON BEHNKEN The Tampa Tribune

Published: Apr 4, 2007

TAMPA - For two years now, commuters into the city have watched towers grow.

They've navigated dusty streets, passing cranes and construction workers dangling high above what will become thousands of new homes.

When that happens, commuters will tangle with a species that has become rare in Tampa's downtown: the urban resident.

The first six of two dozen condo projects planned in the downtown area are expected to open by August, and pioneering condo dwellers are moving in. The combined 1,495 residential units promise a lot: a boost in downtown's population, a flock of retailers willing to serve those residents, and a bustling atmosphere of night life, cafes and thriving restaurants to draw outsiders.

Is this the year Tampa's downtown blossoms? City planners and developers think so. But how long will the transformation take, and will the slowing real estate market postpone their dreams, as it has for developers who have already pulled their projects?

And will it all happen soon enough for new residents such as Matt Schuck and Lindsey Snyder?

The pair are among the first to move into the first of the six projects to open its doors. Both 25 years old, they moved in July from Charlotte, N.C., and failed at suburban life in New Tampa. So in December, they bought a 1-bedroom, 820-square-foot unit in Grand Central at Kennedy for $265,000, a sum that could have purchased a nice three-bedroom home on a cul de sac.

They moved in three weeks ago and say they're paying for an urban lifestyle, not space. So far, it's not quite what they're looking for. There is one other tenant on their floor, they say, and it's lonely. But they have faith that will change soon.

"We were hoping there would be people moving in just like us so we could make friends," Schuck said. "We're excited. We feel like Tampa is going through a revitalization, and we want to be part of it."

The couple enjoy walking their dog, Simon, on the ninth-floor pool deckand hope dry cleaners, coffee shops and bars will come to the neighborhood. They enjoy riding the trolley to Ybor City and Channelside.

But they do worry about their growing neighborhood. Will there be enough residents living in their tower, or will investors leave units dark and empty? The couple want to enjoy urban life for a few years, then sell their condo and possibly move back to the suburbs.

"It's in the back of our minds," Schuck said.

Just Be Patient, Experts Say

The experts offer hope to Schuck and Snyder. Commercial real estate firm Cushman & Wakefield forecasts 5,000 total residents in the downtown areaby the end of 2008 and 7,500 by the end of 2010.

About 600 people currently live downtown, according to the Tampa Downtown Partnership.

Christine Burdick, president of the partnership, said she's excited to see years of planning start to pay off.

"This is the year that it will really be obvious that things are changing," Burdick said. "We will start to see things happening."

During the recent real estate boom, developers pitched 30 condo projects for the downtown area. With the real estate market slowdown, some developers have canceled projects, are without financing or are still looking for buyers.

Trump Tower Tampa, for example, is stalled. The original developer, which has a licensing agreement to use Donald Trump's name, has had trouble securing financing to move forward on the project. A New York hedge fund is negotiating to provide financing. The project faces $3.3 million in construction liens, and it's unclear when vertical construction could start or when the project would be completed.

Such slowdowns are normal and Tampa is on the right track, said Bill Hudnut, senior fellow at the Urban Land Institute in Washington.

"The problem is people want to seeinstantaneous results," Hudnut said. "It will take 10 years or more to see how it will all come together."

The first residents will need to be patient, Hudnut said. They may have to live without some of the services they moved to the city to be near, but those luxuries will come.

Some condo developers may have a difficult time selling all their units, especially to full-time residents instead of investors, but people will move in over time.

"Florida is growing so much that I have no doubt those condos will fill up," Hudnut said.

Retailers Cautious But Coming

Ken Stoltenberg is a developer with Mercury Advisors, which is working on the second building of Grand Central at Kennedy and is developing The Martin, a 22-story tower at 1115 E. Twiggs St.

The majority of sales at Grand Central have closed on time, he said. Others haven't been able to close, for various reasons. Some are investors who can no longer afford their purchases.Some people can't close because of life changes. One buyer has since died after reserving a condo.

Several blocks south are the twin Towers of Channelside. The first tower is scheduled to open in July, said Michael McGuinness, a partner in the project, and he expects a full house. His company did a random sample of buyers, and everyone reached said they were poised to close on their units. But if some aren't, he said, it could mean more money for the developer.

"On average people have $50,000 down," McGuinness said. "Even in today's market, they probably have another $50,000 in equity. We'll take that if they want to walk away."

The retail space in the towers was sold, and McGuinness said he has been told retailers include a health club, pizza parlor and sushi restaurant.

Many of the condo developers opening buildings this year are selling some of the retail space and leasing the rest. National retailers tend to want to wait for more residents to show up before they take a chance on Tampa, some developers say.

McGuinness said he is so confident of what Tampa will become that he and his wife plan to open a day care center, Carlton Academy Day School, this fall at 205 Brush St.

New downtown resident Schuck said he's happy to wait - as long as he gets to live in the urban environment he's paying for.

"If there is ever a time to live in a place like this, it's now, when you're 25 and single," he said.

Reporter Shannon Behnken can be reached at (813) 259-7804 or sbehnken@tampatrib.com.

http://www.tbo.com/news/nationworld/MGBW9NU830F.html

Jasonhouse
April 4th, 2007, 04:05 PM
Can't help but think that C&W is overestimating DT's population growth in the next 2-3 years... 7,500 residents (up from ~600 now) only 3.5 years from now? yeah, right...

Maybe the units to house 7,500 people will be sold, but that doesn't mean that they will actually be constructed and occupied by then... My wild guess would be more like 4,000-5,000 DT residents by then at the very, very most.

Lakelander
April 4th, 2007, 04:35 PM
Interesting article. It parallels many of the same issues being raised by Jax residents now moving into recently completed projects. I also agree with Jasonhouse that 5,000 residents living in downtown Tampa, by the end of next year is pushing it. To pull off such a number, just about every project under construction or proposed would have to sell out quickly without any delays in the construction or permitting process.

cwat212
April 4th, 2007, 08:03 PM
One thing that is true is these will be mostly occupied by singles or couples without children so 5,000 residents will require more units than 5,000 people living in the suburbs. 1,000 units downtown will house less people than 1,000 units/houses in the burbs. Does that make sense? There aren't going to be many families of 4 or 5 living in Skypoint!! :)

As stated, the unit numbers will be there but occupancy will be the question. We will know more by the end of the year when most of the big projects are completed.

I just did a quick count of recently completed or under construction projects and the total is 2,565 units in the DT core. I included Element which is a long way off. This does not include projects completed that I could not find unit numbers (Victory, Model T or Meridian) or projects accross the Hills river (UT dorms and Bayshore projects) or on Harbour Island (Plaza, etc). Definitely not including Trump! ;)

If you include the condos and apartments on Harbour Island then 5,000 is reasonable considering the total number of units.

kentski
April 4th, 2007, 08:31 PM
I'm that one resident they mention down the hall ... they're a great couple and I want to steal their dog, Simon ... he's funny as hell and well behaved.

We do sit up on the pool deck at nights talking about all that's missing so far, but its actually pretty cool ... every night or two, a new person or couple will pop up, so its getting there ... albeit VERY slowly.

Retail space is still empty, but office space is nearly sold/leased. Keller Williams is moving in 70 people pretty soon, and a couple of other offices (plastic surgeons, financing company) have already completed their build-out.

FloridaFuture
April 4th, 2007, 10:21 PM
The print article in the paper had a graphic and it had the estimated opening dates for all 6 projects.

Towers @ Channelside- opens early July
Place- opens early May
Skypoint- opens early May
Ventana- opens mid May
Plaza @ H.I.- opens late July
Grand Central- First building open, second building opens June.

Anyway I like that line-up of retail at the Towers @ Channelside. A Sushi bar there should be nice.

There was also a map of the projects' locations and it had 2 projects in the wrong location: Grand Central only a block off, but they put the Place on Adamo.

thehappysmith
April 4th, 2007, 11:24 PM
What was Rez@Franklin, chopped liver? Or is it just not big enough to rate mention in this article?

I drive by GC@K every Thursday night on my way out to Brandon and there are always about three lights on--and the entire parking garage lit up bright as noon day. Kinda funny actually. I agree with Jason et al about 5k being a more realistic population than 7.5k. Thing is, the first thousand new residents will make a bigger difference down here than that last 2.5 thousand, in terms of a palpable presence of humanity. As much as anything I expect that small change in feel to compel retailers to start looking at coming in here. Granted I want to believe that, so I do... but to be honest with you? I don't even know where 600 people live down here right now. Not sure the occupancy level at Rez@Franklin, or Meridian for that matter (I understand VLofts is full). I suppose they must be including Methodist Place, but the residents there aren't exactly the out-on-the-town type.

AKBTampa
April 4th, 2007, 11:47 PM
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I don't even know where 600 people live down here right now. Not sure the occupancy level at Rez@Franklin, or Meridian for that matter (I understand VLofts is full). I suppose they must be including Methodist Place, but the residents there aren't exactly the out-on-the-town type.

I think the 600 is all people in Art lofts and 100 Laurel as well.

thehappysmith
April 5th, 2007, 12:07 AM
Yeah, I was including them (I'm one of them), but between One Laurel Place and Arts Center you've got less than 280 people. There are less than 10 in four buildings on south Nebraska. GC@K I wouldn't want to speculate; 50 perhaps? Another 50 in R@F. So we're just under 400. Another 100 apiece for Victory and Meridian, perhaps. There are people in the Arlington, too, about 15. I guess that works out to 600 even without Methodist.

kentski
April 5th, 2007, 12:32 AM
Yeah, I was including them (I'm one of them), but between One Laurel Place and Arts Center you've got less than 280 people. There are less than 10 in four buildings on south Nebraska. GC@K I wouldn't want to speculate; 50 perhaps? Another 50 in R@F. So we're just under 400. Another 100 apiece for Victory and Meridian, perhaps. There are people in the Arlington, too, about 15. I guess that works out to 600 even without Methodist.

GC@K, really only about 10-15 right now. Remember, only floors 3-6 (that only are on the front of the building) have closed, and many of those closings didn't go through.

I've met six others here so far, but I'm sure there are a few that I haven't met yet. I also know (through here as one reference) that others are moving here in the next week or two. It'll get more crowded in the next month or two, so I'm enjoying the "emptyness" of it right now.

FloridaFuture
April 5th, 2007, 01:13 AM
Possibly they are counting some other adjacent neighborhoods in the 600 figure. Central Park, Harbor island, and the UT dorm/student population could be counted.

ChannelsideTitle
April 5th, 2007, 01:33 AM
I'm that one resident they mention down the hall ... they're a great couple and I want to steal their dog, Simon ... he's funny as hell and well behaved.

We do sit up on the pool deck at nights talking about all that's missing so far, but its actually pretty cool ... every night or two, a new person or couple will pop up, so its getting there ... albeit VERY slowly.

Retail space is still empty, but office space is nearly sold/leased. Keller Williams is moving in 70 people pretty soon, and a couple of other offices (plastic surgeons, financing company) have already completed their build-out.

We met with Keller Williams today! The office will be up and going very soon! :banana: