i agree.

but the real problem is with simple two lane roundabouts (not turbo, with physical dividing of lanes) where most people don't dare to use the inside lane, and they get scared and confused when others use it. possibilities of accidents increase and the point of a multi-lane roundabout is lost

i agree.

but the real problem is with simple two lane roundabouts (not turbo, with physical dividing of lanes) where most people don't dare to use the inside lane, and they get scared and confused when others use it. possibilities of accidents increase and the point of a multi-lane roundabout is lost
In this junction previously there was a traditional double lane roundabout. and, as you write it, the great majority of cars used the outside lane - even me, 'cause I knew, if I go to the inside one, I must go 10-15 rounds without having any chance for leaving the roundabout.

Guys from Polish SSC would think that such things with roundabouts happen in EU in Poland only :)

M0 yesterday, horrible, we lost one hour, driving with 5 km/h and then just standing still for half an hour. Some road works ... don't think I will use it again until construction is finished.

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7381/p1030423m.jpg

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2136/p1030421x.jpg

^^
Today in M0 expressway near Törökbálint a meat truck turned on its side and and way directed to M1 must have been closed. Giant congestion, more than one hour delay.
(The second similar case on M0 this week).

Just wandering I'm driving a bus from Slovenia to Budapest is there a way for me to avoid this road? I drive from SLO to Budapest at least once a month and we're always going back to SLO in the middle of the night and this narrow road always freaks me out when it suddenly becomes so narrow most of the time I think somebody is in my lane... (I think it's M70 the one that has working sites every 2km and gets narower)

is there a way for me to avoid this road?

No, you'll have to wait until after 2027 or avoid it through Croatia. :D

Just wandering I'm driving a bus from Slovenia to Budapest is there a way for me to avoid this road? I drive from SLO to Budapest at least once a month and we're always going back to SLO in the middle of the night and this narrow road always freaks me out when it suddenly becomes so narrow most of the time I think somebody is in my lane... (I think it's M70 the one that has working sites every 2km and gets narower)

If you are coming to Budapest, you don't have to take this road, since this is the bypass of the city.

I wonder, if he's talking about a road close to Budapest (M0) or close to the border (M70).

^^ All of M7 :D

Yeah, M7 is particularly narrow. :lol:

@Verso the one close to SLO border, when it suddenly becomes narower every-so-often. The part that was on Slovenian news probably for a whole week during that trucking incident not long ago.

EDIT for @Verso: http://www.delo.si/novice/kronika/madzarska-v-trcenju-tovornjaka-in-avtobusa-umrlo-sest-ljudi-tudi-slovenec.html guessing it's M70 then :D

http://motorways-exitlists.com/europe/h/m70.htm

^^ That section is only around 13 km and has only 2 junctions (grade separated) where the road is 2+2. Why do you complain?

When the road becomes from 2x2 to just two lanes I just always have the tought of the opposite driver (ussually a trucker :)) to be on the wrong lane or something it's just really "creepy" to drive through there at night, during thr day I got no problems, but it's so badly marked and everything that like I said it's creepy at night.

M0, accident, congestions.
Nothing special, the 5th case this week.

When the road becomes from 2x2 to just two lanes I just always have the tought of the opposite driver (ussually a trucker :)) to be on the wrong lane or something it's just really "creepy" to drive through there at night, during thr day I got no problems, but it's so badly marked and everything that like I said it's creepy at night.
Disagree.
I wouldn't call THIS (http://forum.index.hu/Article/viewArticle?a=111031315&t=9013571) as badly marked. (Pictures are clickable).
However, as someone (sorry, I can't find the name) posted here some weeks ago:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4192/m4jpgi.jpg

^^ So they are actually working on it then? :cheers:

Lol the 5th case this week, doesn't that freak you out just a little? :P

^^ So they are actually working on it then? :cheers:Widening is scheduled between 2027 and 2040 [sic].

^^ That section is only around 13 km and has only 2 junctions (grade separated) where the road is 2+2. Why do you complain?What kind of a question is that? :| I also complain that there's still not a full motorway between Ljubljana and Karavanke Tunnel, and it's just 2.4 km missing.

What kind of a question is that? :| I also complain that there's still not a full motorway between Ljubljana and Karavanke Tunnel, and it's just 2.4 km missing.

Of course that a 2+2 motorway is better, but he was complaining too much... like M70 would be like a back road, ultra-congested, full of potholes and with an average speed of 30 km/h.

IMO M70 should have been built directly 2+2, but I woudn't complain that much. It's still at the highest standard for a normal 1+1 road.

[QUOTE=Verso;81987574]Widening is scheduled between 2027 and 2040 [sic].

Lol at least they have plans there... :). As you know here in SLO we just lost most of the companyes working on roads :)

you can forget about widening until aadt reaches 20-30k

you can forget about widening until aadt reaches 20-30k
And currently it is about 7-8k.
However, consider that M6 is 8-9k and it is a full motorway, while M2 is 2×1 having an AADT of 25,000.

And currently it is about 7-8k.
However, consider that M6 is 8-9k and it is a full motorway, while M2 is 2×1 having an AADT of 25,000.

M2 is in the process of widening to full profile, isn't it?

M2 is in the process of widening to full profile, isn't it?
Widening is being prepared.

Found a video about the new southwestern bypass of Komárom, which was opned in april (I didn't know it :()
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The new road number is 131 as it connects main road 13 with 1.
Noticed that the one and only overpass was built with a reservation of the 2nd carriageway.

And speed limit should be 150km/h instead of 90 :D

We made a trip last weekend:


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jRChqQqWgBA/TjFnHSd0aSI/AAAAAAAAFBg/94DoSdB51AY/IMG_2829%252520%2525281024x677%252529.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-fapmHq3tPMY/TjFnH5EaC9I/AAAAAAAAFBo/ouXkVv6ogDk/IMG_2842%252520%2525281024x683%252529.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-nRoHBABwcsA/TjFnIvOZEZI/AAAAAAAAFB0/xuj4VeshWgs/IMG_2851%252520%2525281024x683%252529.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-HDu-hWjHK-Y/TjFnKqYK2TI/AAAAAAAAFCg/qPmMcQCPrlg/IMG_2913-2%252520%2525281024x683%252529.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-QAGvP76IzrE/TjFnRe6bEyI/AAAAAAAAFEo/ErdGuuk1VNc/IMG_3086%252520%2525281024x681%252529.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AUMsYXd7p9Q/TjFnVZubf3I/AAAAAAAAFFg/zQmt4KBr9Ik/IMG_3181%252520%2525281024x682%252529.jpg



MORE PICS HERE: https://picasaweb.google.com/zsimi80/20110724EszakMagyarorszag

M70 today... 2 dead... :( Both of them were romanians. It was caused by the driver of the car.

http://kepek.origo.hu/galleriesdisplay/upload//1107/Hal_l201172813330/img/n01.jpg

http://kepek.origo.hu/galleriesdisplay/upload//1107/Hal_l201172813330/img/n05.jpg


http://www.origo.hu/itthon/20110728-frontalisan-utkozott-egy-kamion-es-egy-auto-az-m70esen-ketten.html

:(
I tried google translate on the article, but didn't understand the cause right.

MORE PICS HERE: https://picasaweb.google.com/zsimi80/20110724EszakMagyarorszag

mate, views are really breathtaking! The are waiting for me till September:cheers:

asshole at the wheel

two days ago i was driving on nr1 and a moron did the exact same thing, coming from the other direction

im only typing because of 2x3,75m lanes

anyone who advocates for 3,5m lanes on main roads or expressways should be shot

:(
I tried google translate on the article, but didn't understand the cause right.

The car had Italian plates, driven by a Romanian man. He and his passenger, a Romanian woman were the victims. The car first crashed another car while overtaking a truck, breaking down its rear-view mirror. He then steered to the right, and crashed the barrier, then suddenly steered to the left, skid, and crashed into a Romanian truck. The truck driver was lightly injured. :(

^ This kind of accidents happens more and more often lately. A large number of Romanians coming home for a short vacation and trying to drive all their way from Italy to God knows where in Romania... Sometimes more than 1200km and only half on motorways. The rest of these distances on congested 1+1 roads. Trying to overtake and arrive home maybe one hour sooner... :ohno:
And then back to Italy or Spain, in the same manner.

It seems like italian-style driving. Overtaking while there is a vehicle coming...

It seems like italian-style driving. Overtaking while there is a vehicle coming...

Romanian style too unfortunately :(.

I fail to believe that people intentionally overtake knowing a car comes from the opposite dirrection. Ussually, people do not pay attention or cannot see the car coming from the other direction because of varous reasons. I am quite an experienced driver and it's quite very rare to see idiots overtaking while obviously a car is coming from the other direction.

As for this particular accident, as mentioned before, people are ussually very tired from driving long distances and cannot focus anymore. That's why it's not recommended to drive more than 500 km/day.

I fail to believe that people intentionally overtake knowing a car comes from the opposite dirrection. Ussually, people do not pay attention or cannot see the car coming from the other direction because of varous reasons. I am quite an experienced driver and it's quite very rare to see idiots overtaking while obviously a car is coming from the other direction.

As for this particular accident, as mentioned before, people are ussually very tired from driving long distances and cannot focus anymore. That's why it's not recommended to drive more than 500 km/day.

I saw a lot of idiots overtaking while other vehicles were comming from the other direction. So far I haven't seen a colision, but there were some close ones...

Many head-on accidents occur when a vehicle comes in the right shoulder, then veer left across the road, and crash into an upcoming vehicle.

I fail to believe that people intentionally overtake knowing a car comes from the opposite dirrection. Ussually, people do not pay attention or cannot see the car coming from the other direction because of varous reasons. I am quite an experienced driver and it's quite very rare to see idiots overtaking while obviously a car is coming from the other direction.

As for this particular accident, as mentioned before, people are ussually very tired from driving long distances and cannot focus anymore. That's why it's not recommended to drive more than 500 km/day.

If you drive on motorway, you can go more, if you take breaks, the best way is to also have another driver and switch places.

I fail to believe that people intentionally overtake knowing a car comes from the opposite dirrection.

Just go to Italy. We used to go to Italy about a decade ago on vacation. Each time, for a month. They drove like I described.

I must say that during my holliday in Romania I had that situation few times that I had to flash lights on the oncoming overtaking car and step on brakes. This made me change my behaviour and I simply prefered to drive behind few cars, not alone or in front of others on the road.

Dangerous or reckless overtaking on the two lane road is simply the most deadliest car related action on the road.

Actually most accidents on two-lane roads occur at intersections. Though passing accidents are generally perceived as more dangerous due to the higher speeds involved.

With deadliest I mean this:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HWC-W3lQMhw/TjRb2tEYvtI/AAAAAAAAATM/scGzE3KjI-M/s640/P6080659.jpg

I have pictures that follow this one. Pulling that Seat back, photos of the front side, litterally brains of these two boys on the front seats.... Sorry for the offtopic, I will not post them here, but anyway, whenever I feel like pushing the gas a little bit more I remind myself of this photo series and the adrenalin is gone... I reckon few of these pictures would make the best safe driving campaing ever...

I am Romanian, but I also don't like the driving style here, you will see how they drive in RO and how they change their style after crossing the border to HU. Simply because the laws are more respected and in RO not so much.
I could blame this driving also on the big lack of motorways, and almost all the driving on regular 1x1 roads. People tend to be always in a big hurry and nervous, I don't know why. In the cities i see the same bad attitude. I think this also has something to do with education ...

The lack of motorways is usually a factor, people get impatient after having to drive hundreds of kilometers on two-lane roads with villages, trucks, slowpa's, etc.

I could blame this driving also on the big lack of motorways, and almost all the driving on regular 1x1 roads. People tend to be always in a big hurry and nervous, I don't know why. In the cities i see the same bad attitude. I think this also has something to do with education ...The lack of motorways is usually a factor, people get impatient after having to drive hundreds of kilometers on two-lane roads with villages, trucks, slowpa's, etc.
That is maybe the right reason. I work in Arad and go home every Friday evening. Working every Friday from 08.00 o'clock and until 17.30-19.30 o'clock and then driving home for about other 7.30-8.00 hours isn't easy at all. I usually arrive home between 00.30 - 03.00 in the night. My supervisor in Arad is Austrian. He drives only 5.30 hours to Vienna, going from Romania, crossing all Hungary and then through Austria. But for me, driving so many hours on very, very congested 1+1 roads is beyond imagination. I often find myself overtaking in maybe very dangerous situations, but you have to be in my position and understand how it is to drive maybe 30kms behind a long queue of lorries going with only 40kms/h. Or to drive through cities like Arad, Deva or Sebeş, where there is no bypass and sometimes it takes one hour to cross. I am really aware of danger and I'm against this type of reckless driving, but trust me, I'm doing this "trip" (510kms on 1+1 roads) two times per week and sometimes it's impossible for me to behave like I should.

Actually most accidents on two-lane roads occur at intersections. Though passing accidents are generally perceived as more dangerous due to the higher speeds involved.
Hungary always had 2×1 expressways which (due to lack of financial resources) remained to be 2×1 even when traffic density needed a full motorway. Widening to a 2×2 expressway was usually impossible since all the way was built as a half motorway.
That's why here we have a lot of passing accidents in such roads. In the 80's the 2×1 M1 was called as "road of death", then several other roads inherited this name.
Currently M2 is very dangerous but the most fatal accidents happen in the short section of M70. It, too, is built as a half motorway and some drivers use it as if it were a full one.

The lack of motorways is usually a factor, people get impatient after having to drive hundreds of kilometers on two-lane roads with villages, trucks, slowpa's, etc.
On the other side: M70 is only a short section and from Lisbon to Makó there's a full motorway except for this piece of road and even so some drivers have no patience and can't stay behind a slower car. Some people in Hungary say it is dangerous having short 2×1 sections like M15 or M70 in a very very long motorway.

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0.38: main road 51
2.33: M0 south
3.34: M5
4.35: M0 east

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M0 yesterday, horrible, we lost one hour, driving with 5 km/h and then just standing still for half an hour. Some road works ... don't think I will use it again until construction is finished.



BTW does anyone know when the upgrade of the southern section of the M0 will be finished and open to traffic? Will it be 3 lanes (3x2) from M1 to M5? IMO because of Budapest's geographic position a 4x4 M0 may well be suitable for the future

Kőröshegyi viaduct turns 4 years today :)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/K%C5%91r%C3%B6shegyi_v%C3%B6lgyh%C3%ADd.jpg

^^ When are you gonna visit it? :)

BTW does anyone know when the upgrade of the southern section of the M0 will be finished and open to traffic? Will it be 3 lanes (3x2) from M1 to M5? IMO because of Budapest's geographic position a 4x4 M0 may well be suitable for the future

Its going to be 2x3 all the way from M1 to M5. Section M7-M6 will finally open at the end of the year. M6-51 summer 2012, and 51-M5 at jun 30, 2011.

As for the "section" M1-M7 nobody knows, I guess.

Of course after that the whole old part has to be reconstructed, which will take another 2 years. So all in all I say it will be 2014 until the whole southern part of M0 will be finished.

a 4x4 M0 may well be suitable for the future

there's a more inner ring planed (2x2 and 2x3 on the bridges) and also a more outer ring (2x1 first), M0 will never be 4x4, not soon anyway

there's a more inner ring planed (2x2 and 2x3 on the bridges) and also a more outer ring (2x1 first), M0 will never be 4x4, not soon anyway

Sorry I meant 2x4 my bad, thanks for the replies anyway!

Its going to be 2x3 all the way from M1 to M5. Section M7-M6 will finally open at the end of the year. M6-51 summer 2012, and 51-M5 at jun 30, 2011.

As for the "section" M1-M7 nobody knows, I guess.

Thanks, I thought they were already working on section M1-M7...
Is section 51-M5 the new section that will connect the old southern section of the M0 to the new eastern section ready by jun 30 2011?

Sorry I meant 2x4 my bad, thanks for the replies anyway!

i didnt even notice that, but no, not even 2x4 anytime soon

Thanks, I thought they were already working on section M1-M7...

Yes its funny, because everybody talks about section M1-M6 (as originally planned), although they dont even start to cut the bushes on M1-M7 section. Even now when widening is going to be finished in a few months the media talks about M1-M6 section. :-(

Is section 51-M5 the new section that will connect the old southern section of the M0 to the new eastern section ready by jun 30 2011?

Well, we all hope it will be ready by june 30. But nothing is sure as you know...

The subject of the confusion is that 2011 june 30 has already been passed, since now is august :D Jack_Frost might wanted to write 2012 june 30
But officially nothing is sure

Both sections (M1-main 51 and M6-M7) should be opened by the end of the year basing on the stage the constructions are in at the moment....

index.hu (http://index.hu/gazdasag/magyar/2011/08/09/m0_epul_a_soroksari_duna-hid/) made a summary about the extension of M0 South:

Section between M1-M6: 6,6 km, 10,9 billion HUF (39,6 million EUR), deadline 3rd quarter 2011. This doesn't seem feasible, since the contractor is only just preparing to lay the concrete surface. The layout of the median and the correction of interchange branches began in July. The brdges are ready. Meanwhile, the construction of supporting walls, noise barriers, drainage system and communication network is going on.

Section between M6 and #51: 11 km, with 2 bridges (over Danube and a shorter one over the Soroksár-branch of the Danube), 34 billion HUF (123,7 million EUR), planned to be completed by fall 2012. Construction started at the end of 2009. Works are going on on both bridges.

Section between #51 and M5: 6 km, fully new track to connect the M0 South to M0 East at its endpoint at M5. Cost: 9,7 billion HUF (35,3 million EUR). This section should have been finished by November 2010, but the contractor went bankrupt. The new contractor plans to finish the construction by the end of this year. Now the road surface is being built.

A picture of the smaller bridge:
http://m.blog.hu/ne/nemblog/image/M0_hid_02_500.jpg

Larger version here (http://dezso.klebercz.hu/M0_hid_02.JPG). :cheers:

U/C southern M0 Danube bridge...

Two aerial pix from the 9th of August...

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4908/m0hid02.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/818/m0hid02.jpg/)
Source (original size):http://dezso.klebercz.hu/M0_hid_02.JPG

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/1259/m0hid03.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/m0hid03.jpg/)
Source (original size):http://dezso.klebercz.hu/M0_hid_03.JPG

Index article (only in Hungarian):http://index.hu/gazdasag/magyar/2011/08/09/m0_epul_a_soroksari_duna-hid/

For statistics freaks (like me):

http://i.imgur.com/GUUCI.png

http://i.imgur.com/b7RmV.png

Just 1200 km in 2010? Hm, I thought you guys had more. How many km are scheduled for 2011?

2011 new:
M0 highway (51-M5), 2x3 - 6,3km
M43 (Szeged-Makó), 2x2 - 31,6km
M85 expressway (Enese bypass), 2x2 - 7km
M86 expressway (Szombathely-Vát), 2x2 - 9,2km
M9 expressway (51-54), 2x1 - 12,3km
4 semi-expressway (Debrecen bypass), 2x1 - 11,9km
67 semi-expressway (Kaposfüred bypass), 2x1 - 4,7km

2011 extensions:
M0 highway (M1-M5)/2(1)x3 - 17,6km

tot. highway: 55,5km
tot. expressway: 28,5km
tot. semi-exp.: 16,6
tot. 2x3: 23,9km (1x3 extension: 17,6km)
tot. 2x2: 47,8km
tot. 2x1: 28,9km
total: 100,6km

postponement to 2012:
M3 highway (Nyíregyháza-Vásárosnamény), 2x2 - 33,8km

Just 1200 km in 2010? Hm, I thought you guys had more.
You're kiddin', right :D? Comparing to our 300 something...

You're kiddin', right :D? Comparing to our 300 something...

:lol: That wasn't the idea (comparing HU with RO). I just expected HU to have more, I thought they had a bit under 2000. :)

What's the font used on Hungarian road signs, and is it available on the internet?

I mean this one:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/1_%28Hu%29_Otszogletu_zold_tabla.svg/208px-1_%28Hu%29_Otszogletu_zold_tabla.svg.png


It appears like Arial, but not quite.

Franklin Gothic Medium

http://www01.fonts.com/assets/images/blank1x1.gif

^^ are you sure? I've found this for Franklin Gothic Medium:
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/images/Franklin-Gothic-Medium.png

If you look at the numbers, it's not even similar to those on the signs.

^^

You're right, the typefaces are 80% correct only.

I think Hungarian typefaces are unique, a mixture.

What's the font used on Hungarian road signs, and is it available on the internet?

I mean this one:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/1_%28Hu%29_Otszogletu_zold_tabla.svg/208px-1_%28Hu%29_Otszogletu_zold_tabla.svg.png


It appears like Arial, but not quite.

This is the normal Hungarian road sign font set:

http://img8.indafoto.hu/4/5/99865_3cdf52a2019f03044fbe1320eb9a1a8a/12690651_a040f3f73e7691e572cde15d328fd702_xl.jpg

noname set, created especially for road signs

Hmm, let´s name it then.:)

Hmm, let´s name it then.:)

The smaller modification of the German Deutsches Institut für Normung 1451 type is the Hungarian:

http://opentype.info/static/dinmittelschrift.png

So DIN1451H or KTSzB-M (Közlekedési táblák szabványosított betűtípusa Magyarországon) :D

I think our font is more or less ok, but the accents should be changed. The two points on Öö and Üü should be closer to each other, while the accents should lean to the right (Áá, Éé, Íí, Óó, Őő, Űű), just as in the original Mittelschrift. It would look better, and would be more obvious, since now it is easy to confuse ö-ő and ü-ű on the signs. KTSZB-M sounds like a cool name for this font :D

Oh yes those damn accents in the hungarian grammer and important. I always tell an example to my foreign friends like Méz,Mez. Almost the same but very different.:lol:

Méz,Mez. Almost the same but very different.:lol:
Veres = Red
Véres = Bloody
Verés = Beating

Veres = Red
Véres = Bloody
Verés = Beating

Aranyérem / Aranyerem

:)

(Golden medal / My hemorrhoids)

^^:lol:

But...

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/7081/threadofftopicderailed.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/threadofftopicderailed.jpg/)

Yep! I like the great difference between two words that are almost the same!

Back on topic, I found a great mistake on Google Maps: The M5 is shown as bypassing Budapest with the M0 and then running with M1 to Austrian border. I though M5 ended (Or started, if you come fro, the other side) at Budapest...

Edit: No, it doesn't go to A border, but to SK border with road 15 (Future M15). They think that E75 in Hungary is also M5 all the way!

Yes, I just noticed that too. It's a Google Maps error. Similar to M61 between Érd and Dunaúváros (which is M6).

^^ and M3 between Görbeháza (M35) and Nyíregyháza is marked as road 403 as well (which is Nyíregyháza bypass) :ohno:

Map
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_d5PpoHpEcY/TkWEBMHUXtI/AAAAAAAAAtM/Ju1QXnAo6Ug/map2.jpg

1. In this section (from here to forró) the road is new, built in 2004 (approximately) as 1+1 expressway. Limit: 110 km / h
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3NuRA-LxSug/TkWCLqa16GI/AAAAAAAAAq0/WsbIjsrM8po/PICT5895.jpg

2. Right: the old road #3
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-55nk1DdlFKw/TkWCMNUnuFI/AAAAAAAAAq4/Yl4L7cXPkOo/PICT5897.jpg

3.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XndZFZg4e5c/TkWCMWIoxJI/AAAAAAAAArA/hefo-zCNuaE/PICT5900.jpg

4.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Uaob70rivPw/TkWCMcrdl8I/AAAAAAAAAq8/IYmBVEM78lk/PICT5901.jpg

5.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-NEzBLCxGevA/TkWCM7rb5OI/AAAAAAAAArE/hjcdUlDQjok/PICT5902.jpg

6.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-plKURFOW9NU/TkWCN6fAzAI/AAAAAAAAArI/8yjh0ZlRyHE/PICT5904.jpg

7.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-eDRvYAQEsp4/TkWCNz3vniI/AAAAAAAAArM/jKq1_zBG3_I/PICT5905.jpg

8.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-5zUO3IhGtVc/TkWCOKmIGII/AAAAAAAAArQ/nHEZPpzjPLA/PICT5906.jpg

9.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-RZipiagwmqU/TkWCOh52krI/AAAAAAAAArU/SBZ_uQdSEeE/PICT5907.jpg

10. Intersection with the M30
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-LNa3-afqAEo/TkWCPDRj5eI/AAAAAAAAArY/z5qHnZNd8iw/PICT5908.jpg

How can M3 be closer to you than Miskolc? M3 is like 20 kilometers further than Miskolc. Maybe they meant M30?

11. Until Miskolc south, the road is not considered motorway (no e-vignette required)...
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-513m-g11m5Y/TkWCPK4I8yI/AAAAAAAAArc/shPLXNmde6I/PICT5909.jpg

12. ...Pedestrians may also be encountered :bash:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-f5NvsVUmTLo/TkWCPZLPwEI/AAAAAAAAArg/QJWXyLTeUOk/PICT5912.jpg

13. Beginning of Motorway
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-w9s44vjGGbg/TkWCQFurJpI/AAAAAAAAArk/oVkuYOBGrlk/PICT5913.jpg

14.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0CyOjvpBas0/TkWCQNrwdgI/AAAAAAAAAro/E6VURBXFHFs/PICT5914.jpg

15.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-GolkiufKc8k/TkWCQtKd6uI/AAAAAAAAArs/sidnEFT3iwA/PICT5916.jpg

16.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7FQQ31fH5Qk/TkWCRKWFraI/AAAAAAAAAr0/x7GFIo5ISyk/PICT5917.jpg

17. signs for helicopters: warning electricity line
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tjNyofKzjI8/TkWCRP9FHEI/AAAAAAAAArw/fRdmV_pmlrQ/PICT5918.jpg

18.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-SLua4RbBhkI/TkWCRu5pcnI/AAAAAAAAAr4/605J7_IRaWE/PICT5919.jpg

19. interchange M30 X M3
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Z3F3MC2TJl0/TkWCSanmlRI/AAAAAAAAAsA/ko6leGKDd-Q/PICT5921.jpg

20.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ey6c3BVJXPI/TkWCS6UHtbI/AAAAAAAAAsE/M55VeVoiTsM/PICT5922.jpg

21. M3
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-djIhkCKHXCQ/TkWCS4Z8XPI/AAAAAAAAAsI/nnh3jrYSook/PICT5923.jpg

22. distance test
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-eyxI9c3oh_s/TkWCTt7MglI/AAAAAAAAAsM/73QwpKBJ6cA/PICT5924.jpg

23.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ikgK8St_5FA/TkWCTsrwmyI/AAAAAAAAAsQ/EvmyeWlGpqI/PICT5925.jpg

24.more space left to improve visibility on bends:)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-piAFb7DW3ao/TkWCUHkVPpI/AAAAAAAAAsY/mQboDKC3wNg/PICT5926.jpg

25.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ot81idxnm0Q/TkWCUsnnjZI/AAAAAAAAAsU/F0K8xPCoOHw/PICT5928.jpg

26.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-LZg8uV6FW3o/TkWCU-JryNI/AAAAAAAAAsc/7zar6DIcXrk/PICT5930.jpg

27.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qIGpfnY5_jM/TkWCV4juXdI/AAAAAAAAAsk/_zxRpW4YnNM/PICT5933.jpg

28. new interchange M3 X M31
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-evaOmq9hMGs/TkWCWIaxBnI/AAAAAAAAAso/p2Cn1m9wVg8/PICT5934.jpg

29.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-95SGhjkC14I/TkWCWxWjA9I/AAAAAAAAAss/WSDl89WIL70/PICT5935.jpg

30.interchange M3 X M0
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-hhNZxhmjB90/TkWCW0kvpBI/AAAAAAAAAsw/O-zXncadg4g/PICT5936.jpg

31. Budapest
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-uU_2YV5F648/TkWCYBmKoJI/AAAAAAAAAs4/dKN8lduSIJo/PICT5937.jpg

32. End of M3
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-hCLfRkVaMEw/TkWCX0DrBjI/AAAAAAAAAs0/9Csy6r5hUAM/PICT5939.jpg

33.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-RNB4BXd2F_A/TkWCZODL9aI/AAAAAAAAAtA/c3ud8XiddhU/PICT5940.jpg

34.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-50u_B8lQV1o/TkWCZAvJFDI/AAAAAAAAAs8/Jh6Ki-dvxNs/PICT5941.jpg

35.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-pyG2Tg_rKwk/TkWCK5TTOgI/AAAAAAAAAqs/rZxMLnGTReY/PICT5942.jpg

36.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-qgOxLBW9Zqg/TkWCLP_uWnI/AAAAAAAAAqw/-TQ419Q4yms/PICT5943.jpg

37. Petőfi híd
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uH_MC1nkm20/TkWCKAz9-pI/AAAAAAAAAqk/hxjOYogNWWU/PICT5944.jpg

38. M7. Intersection with M0. Time that i took from M3 X M31 to here: 32 min. Certainly better than driving via M31 + M0
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-04LBFXO21XE/TkWCK4tYCJI/AAAAAAAAAqo/h1QTiXmkWS0/PICT5946.jpg

How can M3 be closer to you than Miskolc? M3 is like 20 kilometers further than Miskolc. Maybe they meant M30?

they were wrong. You're right, they meant M30

17. signs for helicopters: warning electricity line
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tjNyofKzjI8/TkWCRP9FHEI/AAAAAAAAArw/fRdmV_pmlrQ/PICT5918.jpg


I saw this signs especially on M1 and I wondered why are they there. Are you sure that they are visible from a helicopter? They are quite small though...


24.more space left to improve visibility on bends:)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-piAFb7DW3ao/TkWCUHkVPpI/AAAAAAAAAsY/mQboDKC3wNg/PICT5926.jpg

I noticed this on new M43:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-bMuYLRONwTc/Tbhqjgkq0AI/AAAAAAAACfM/mgB5ibaYzC4/s912/DSC_0823.JPG

I saw this signs especially on M1 and I wondered why are they there. Are you sure that they are visible from a helicopter? They are quite small though...

I have never driven a helicopter but if a helicopter is endangered of the power lines, it is flying low enough to notice the sign :)

There are similar signs at every 5th km-posts so that the helicopter knows over which segment of the motorway is flying actually.

I think that the signal is especially useful in case of landing on the motorway (for rescue helicopter)


There are similar signs at every 5th km-posts so that the helicopter knows over which segment of the motorway is flying actually.

like this (M1):
Part 3:

http://media.snimka.bg/8367/022988962-big.jpg

I noticed this on new M43:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-bMuYLRONwTc/Tbhqjgkq0AI/AAAAAAAACfM/mgB5ibaYzC4/s912/DSC_0823.JPG

You might have not been on the newer sections of M7 (after Zamárdi), there are a lot of like this. Take a lokk at it on my older report (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=40832116&postcount=3379).

I noticed this on new M43:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-bMuYLRONwTc/Tbhqjgkq0AI/AAAAAAAACfM/mgB5ibaYzC4/s912/DSC_0823.JPG

As I wrote before these widenings are in smaller radius curves to enhance the viewing distance so you can notice the stau earlier.

As I wrote before these widenings are in smaller radius curves to enhance the viewing distance so you can notice the stau earlier.

Very clever! Thank you Atza!

By the way, by any chance, do you know (or somebody else) when they intend to finish completely M0 near Budapest? The traffic there is huge. A lot of stress to drive there! :lol:

I think that the signal is especially useful in case of landing on the motorway (for rescue helicopter)



like this (M1):

In that picture you can see a wonderful symbol on top of the mountain. When he looked there my son said: "Look daddy, there is a dragon on that mountain! Take care!" :lol:

^^


it's the Turul :)
Wikipedia: Turul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turul)

In that picture you can see a wonderful symbol on top of the mountain. When he looked there my son said: "Look daddy, there is a dragon on that mountain! Take care!" :lol:

:):):)

Pics of my trip from Siòfok to Merano

Map:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4NW4c88ng-M/Tk7C0vl1iTI/AAAAAAAAAw0/67crpGae2dA/map.jpg (http://maps.google.it/maps?saddr=Si%C3%B3fok,+Ungheria&daddr=46.9579363,18.1882675+to:46.9825537,18.2077274+to:47.10802,17.97664+to:Merano+BZ&hl=it&ie=UTF8&ll=46.873336,17.0755&spn=0.991375,3.515625&sll=46.970062,18.184948&sspn=0.061849,0.154324&geocode=FZ3eywIdCdUTASlPUp_RwcBpRzHYaDdc39BmsA%3BFXCFzAId64cVASnXTfR1IOppRzHxMkjqKMQAEw%3BFZnlzAId79MVASnrsYnhfOlpRzGAZabqKMQAEw%3BFbTPzgIdQE0SASkjKEcvQZBpRzFAtQ_rKMQAEw%3BFTAdyAIdUlmqACnT0QnjbbyCRzEgM5EVhwkHBA&mra=dpe&mrsp=2&sz=13&via=1,2,3&z=9&vpsrc=6)

in this (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=76266539&postcount=4251) report of Atza you can see the first section of the road 8 that I don't traveled. :)

1. new road 710
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Eygebah_RMQ/Tk7BWLgh4KI/AAAAAAAAAvU/fdU3v4MJ2gs/PICT5949.jpg

2. new road 710
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-oDmTjJ9DvTI/Tk7BWQYx4RI/AAAAAAAAAvY/5IXPwq0kKq4/PICT5950.jpg

3. new road 710
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-QLph3Gwk1sk/Tk7BY1aER1I/AAAAAAAAAvo/JtJIARHAYy4/PICT5951.jpg

4. End of Road 72 - Interchange with road 8 / E66
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Hn6PMJ4VjNU/Tk7BW7-yhtI/AAAAAAAAAvc/_suVF11Bolg/PICT5954.jpg

5. From here to Bressanone (I) i traveled always on the road E66 :cheers:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-u1Gyni2_wcU/Tk7BXVOpnMI/AAAAAAAAAvg/ZuMn5kYoWCM/PICT5955.jpg

6. Bypass of Veszprém
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-sZp-2_2gja4/Tk7BX5BTk9I/AAAAAAAAAvk/wveTnQxPZS0/PICT5956.jpg

7. Bypass of Veszprém
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-vTp6rYVKpGQ/Tk7BZ7WAc4I/AAAAAAAAAvw/YvDSzdQDvuk/PICT5957.jpg

8.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-4jPNft8IuX0/Tk7BZriUdkI/AAAAAAAAAvs/5uBEdfsEcuA/PICT5960.jpg

9.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-TcLHYr8EiH4/Tk7BZ18y_zI/AAAAAAAAAv0/i3yOyID2dNg/PICT5961.jpg

10.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-pJb1b10ecdc/Tk7BbbOk1YI/AAAAAAAAAv4/-z6Nir9BdKo/PICT5963.jpg

11.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-cjrySDWpm48/Tk7Bc9xkodI/AAAAAAAAAwE/NN4EUgL3C-g/PICT5964.jpg

12.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-b7sbAw1YbPk/Tk7BcR4_5nI/AAAAAAAAAwA/ZxB1HvTX6mU/PICT5967.jpg

13.E66 symbol is always clearly signposted at intersections :okay:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-mmLsMV6H8U8/Tk7BcIrJqXI/AAAAAAAAAv8/in7udmKc360/PICT5968.jpg

14.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1IZ4rh_Sh9o/Tk7BdHW0HyI/AAAAAAAAAwI/lCC4rFLrMqg/PICT5969.jpg

15.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EV2kBXkOHh8/Tk7BeeCfpiI/AAAAAAAAAwM/yE5N9022zkg/PICT5970.jpg

16.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-dhR1GwGrU7M/Tk7BgJILakI/AAAAAAAAAwY/lnTKxQFnkEY/PICT5972.jpg

17.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-QgLAzL8B6_w/Tk7BegiHu_I/AAAAAAAAAwQ/58JWgy_ANas/PICT5973.jpg

18.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RrXh-bCL1cg/Tk7BgE3xcXI/AAAAAAAAAwc/Tu_FrPhraq0/PICT5974.jpg

19.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SiPiOwXL7nA/Tk7BfgoWR-I/AAAAAAAAAwU/1jyrK-uOj4E/PICT5976.jpg

20. Körmend
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-yop9U0fJBpM/Tk7BgfL1juI/AAAAAAAAAwg/rbtKwANPuY4/PICT5977.jpg

21.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-jKhyckSpBQE/Tk7BhIayUQI/AAAAAAAAAwk/tqdfhRaMuS8/PICT5979.jpg

22.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-8vUFwmiCvVw/Tk7BhpL1q5I/AAAAAAAAAwo/CxrQkpeRZyI/PICT5981.jpg

23. A Border
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Rj0NW9ip8-E/Tk7BhwuO9PI/AAAAAAAAAws/_y-w9Tiz4m4/PICT5982.jpg

24. Bye, Hungary. :hi:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3NyEVCK6Euo/Tk7BifIcZJI/AAAAAAAAAww/h4TIH1hiMjY/PICT5983.jpg

Next section:
Austrian section

When construction stretches M43 Mako-Naglak and M2 Budapest-Vac should be started ?

I wonder, have there ever been plans to build a bridge over lake Balaton at Tihani-Zamardi?

I wonder, have there ever been plans to build a bridge over lake Balaton at Tihani-Zamardi?

Sometimes yes, but not real. Would be costly unbelievably. This is the possible parameters:

Total length: 1 600m (1000m bridge, 600m embankment)
Longest span: 300m
Vertical clearance: min 30m
Cost: ~70-80bn HUF (270-300 million Euro)

Would be similar to the Megyeri bridge (1800m long, l.sp.: 300m, cl: 30m):
http://static1.origos.hu/i/0809/20080930megyerihi11.jpg

I wonder, have there ever been plans to build a bridge over lake Balaton at Tihani-Zamardi?

never more than pipe dreams

and between ecomentalists and corrupt politicians, we're better off without it

Lake Balaton is shallow. A bored tunnel would be possible I suppose. The Westerschelde Tunnel in the Netherlands (twin-tube, 6.600 m, max 60 m below sea level) was relatively cheap at € 725 million.

2x1 tunnel would be enough, there is absolutely no need for a 2x2 connection let alone a megyeri like 2x3

if built at all, it should be a private concession with no government money and no public risk

but i dont think it would ever make a return

and it should probably be an immersed tube

2x2 is necessary because current European tunnel legislation generally requires two tubes for longer road tunnels. As 2x2 would be similarly expensive as 2x1, it's better to make it 2x2.

whats 'longer'? it would be all of 1200 m

I suppose anything that qualifies as a tunnel (over 250 m). It's fairly new legislation.

Lake Balaton is shallow.

This is not true in this area. The Tihany deep is 12,5m +10-20m flimsy mud in the deep. The tunnel building is impossible:

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/5424/86663999.jpg

There should be enough space for sailboats passing under such a bridge, so it would be very high, possibly ruining the landscape. I think the ferry is OK for the next few decades. The deepest point of the Balaton is 12m, which is in the strait between Tihany and Szántód (where this tunnel would be)...

This is not true in this area. The Tihany deep is 12,5m +10-20m flimsy mud in the deep. The tunnel building is impossible:

12 - 20 m can be considered shallow. There are tunnels in Norway that are 200+ meters below sea level, and are not longer than 5.5 km. Since 30 - 40 m is deep enough, you'll need a much shorter tunnel (more like 1 - 2 km) which is far from "impossible".

Why??? This is not a major route in any meening, so when(if) M8 will be finnished, than you have two motorways to choose around the lake. That is more than enough for the next many years to come.

A fixed link is an economical long-term investment. They're cheaper to operate than ferries in the long run. And cleaner, though that wouldn't be my main argument. It's by no means a certainty this link will be constructed, but it's good to discuss it.

If you draw a straight line from Viena to Belgrade...
:lol:
Anyway, how much does it cost to cross Balaton by a ferry?

I understand it, but there is no need. This is not a major cross-country route in any meening and if you don´t count june-august, hardly any traffic at all. The money can be used much more efficient other places.

I got that. How about the ferry price?

its less than €8 for 1 person + 1 car

Cheap. Thank you very much for the information.:cheers:

Next week I will go on M7 motorway in Hungary. Is there any rest area/parking lot on the direction Budapest -> Slovenia/Croatia which has a nice view of lake Balaton?

^^ Just stop for a while in Siófok as we did on Saturday. :cheers:

hungary has made unbelivable progres since joining the EU good job keep going:)

Hello guys!

Do you know details about works on M0 near Budapest? When they expect to finish?

Some sections were quite advanced in July 2011 when I passed by M0.

Thank you all and have a calm day!

Hello guys!

Do you know details about works on M0 near Budapest? When they expect to finish?

Some sections were quite advanced in July 2011 when I passed by M0.

Thank you all and have a calm day!

I will be traveling soon on Budapest M0-south express-way and by the end of next week I hope that I will be able to bring some pictures for you.

I will be traveling soon on Budapest M0-south express-way and by the end of next week I hope that I will be able to bring some pictures for you.

Great!
Many thanks bogdymol!

Lots of motorways :)

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only 24 kms left

M85 Enese bypass
Update 18.08.2011

Few pictures of a U/C junction heading from Győr.
1.
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_7052.jpg

2.
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_7053.jpg

3.
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_7054.jpg

M86 Vát - Szeleste

Pictures are taken in direction to Csorna. Map of M86:
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/m86szo.jpg

1. The beginning of M86 expressway and the start of Vát bypass.
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_7182.jpg

2. Speed limit is 110 km/h.
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_7183.jpg

3. Exit to Vát.
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_7184.jpg

4. Kijárat! You can see the old markings merging with the other side before this side was built.
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_7185.jpg

5. Rajka 108km and Poszony 111km, o rly? :lol:
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_7186.jpg

6. Exit to Szeleste.
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_7187.jpg

7.
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_7188.jpg

8. Approaching the end of M86.
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_7189.jpg

9.
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_7190.jpg

10.
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_7191.jpg

Pictures of M86 from June, 2009 in direction to Szombathely: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=39025134&postcount=2199

Why not pave the shoulder too? :(

Because hard shoulders are not necessary(soft shoulder is enough) for hungarian expressway standards, and to make it as cheap as possible.

This section (Vát and Szeleste bypass) is 8,32 km long, and it costed 18.05 million €, so it costed only 2.17 million €/km.

this was built as 2x2 main road, with 3,5 m lanes and soft shoulders yet they managed to sell the idea that this an expressway, its not

the győr-csorna section will be

under the guise of being economical we are building crappy 2x2s with narrow lanes, hard corners, soft shoulders and no upgradeability for sub-10k aadt traffic instead of true half-profiles with concrete, 3x3,75m lanes, proper corners and level crossings
that would accommodate the 10k-ish aadt, would cost half/twice length and allow upgrading to a proper motorway in 15-30 years time

but this is a country not only immersed in incompetency, corruption and nepotism but actually proud of it

^^I seriously disagree. For such roads the main issue is that it is almost impossible to overtake slow vehicles. National road 85-86 just like 44, etc. has heavy truck traffic. If you build a 2×1 half motorway, it will be still impossible to overtake and you don't solve anything - and we all know that in the following 15-20 years we won't have the money for completing such a half motorway.

M86 is great, but it's too short. Heavy transport would highly appreciate a 2x2 highway with grade separated junctions all the way from M15 to Slovenia, as this route has been adapted by truckers which are avoiding expensive Austrian and German tolls to get from EEurope to Italy. I agree with Attus about overtaking, there have been moments when a tractor, Trabant or some Polish truck (driving >80 km/h) appears out of nowhere and slows traffic down and with a truck it's impossible to overtake because of oncoming cars. Generally road 86 is a pain in the ass, as it goes through every village with a useless 30 km/h speed limit + it was in terible condition, now it's being reconstructed by parts and completely from M1 to Csorna and from Körmend to Slovenia.

^^I seriously disagree. For such roads the main issue is that it is almost impossible to overtake slow vehicles. National road 85-86 just like 44, etc. has heavy truck traffic. If you build a 2×1 half motorway, it will be still impossible to overtake and you don't solve anything - and we all know that in the following 15-20 years we won't have the money for completing such a half motorway.

not 2x1 half but 2+1 3x3,75 with alternating directions

truck traffic on 44 is not justification for building a full profile motorway for 4-6k aadt, especially since trucks will disappear after mako-arad


as for the financials, how is it prudent to build 75++ percent empty capacity

M86 is great, but it's too short. Heavy transport would highly appreciate a 2x2 highway with grade separated junctions all the way from M15 to Slovenia, as this route has been adapted by truckers which are avoiding expensive Austrian and German tolls to get from EEurope to Italy. I agree with Attus about overtaking, there have been moments when a tractor, Trabant or some Polish truck (driving >80 km/h) appears out of nowhere and slows traffic down and with a truck it's impossible to overtake because of oncoming cars. Generally road 86 is a pain in the ass, as it goes through every village with a useless 30 km/h speed limit + it was in terible condition, now it's being reconstructed by parts and completely from M1 to Csorna and from Körmend to Slovenia.

so basically hungarian taxpayers should shore up the haulers with free and empty 2x2s instead of austrian taxpayers

i dont think so

not 2x1 half but 2+1 3x3,75 with alternating directions
OK, I accept it :-)

truck traffic on 44 is not justification for building a full profile motorway for 4-6k aadt
Right, I've never asked for a motorway. However I say a 2×2 national road is much better than a 2×1 expressway.

as for the financials, how is it prudent to build 75++ percent empty capacity

75% unused capacity is still the same as an overloaded two-lane national road... (20.000 vehicles per day). New rural motorways will almost never jump to 40.000+ vehicles per day in the first 10 years. The previous roads simply do not handle anywhere near that kind of traffic. When western European motorways were constructed in the 1950's and 1960's they also used to handle maybe 10.000 - 20.000 vehicles per day, but are now closer to 60.000 - 90.000 vehicles per day. It takes time, a motorway is an investment for the future.

so basically hungarian taxpayers should shore up the haulers with free and empty 2x2s instead of austrian taxpayers

i dont think so

Wouldn't it solve traffic problems for local commuters, no?

Wouldn't it solve traffic problems for local commuters, no?

no, because an m road if built to 2x2 would certainly be tolled, so commuters would remain on the old road

Then what's the point of building M85 and M86? :dunno:

75% unused capacity is still the same as an overloaded two-lane national road... (20.000 vehicles per day). New rural motorways will almost never jump to 40.000+ vehicles per day in the first 10 years. The previous roads simply do not handle anywhere near that kind of traffic. When western European motorways were constructed in the 1950's and 1960's they also used to handle maybe 10.000 - 20.000 vehicles per day, but are now closer to 60.000 - 90.000 vehicles per day. It takes time, a motorway is an investment for the future.

we have x amount of money
we build y kms of 2x2 with no upgradeability and 75++ percent empty capacity

from the same money we could build 2y kms of 2+1 and leave the option of a capacity upgrade open should it become necessary

investing into massive amounts of inferior quality empty capacity means that there remain hundreds of kms of gaps in the network where the capacity is actually needed, m10, m0, m4 and so on
not to mention hideous road quality on the 30,000 km long tertiary roads


in a country desperately lacking capital, it is imperative that we put every cent to work with the highest rate of return and not 75 percent idle

Then what's the point of building M85 and M86? :dunno:

the distinction im making is when the full profile/2x2 is necessary

there is clearly a need to supplement the crappyass through-village roads with straight roads, but the current traffic figures dont require a 2x2 so we should build with maximum return and upgradeability

and that means a 2+1 half profile with 3*3,75m lanes, alternating directions, level crossings/roundabouts, made of concrete


thats all

Then what's the point of building M85 and M86? :dunno:
Heavy transit. The main (actually the only) issue there is heavy transit from Rajka to Rédics (SK -> SLO). Trucks make a detour since there are huge road fees in Austria. In Hungary a one day vignette is 3,000 forint (~11€). I don't know how much is the fee in Slovenia but for sure the both together is far less than in Austria which is approx. 120€ for a heavy truck from Slovakia to Italy. So heavy freight flows in Hungarian national roads 85 and 86 which were not built for handling such a traffic.
Without this transit traffic these roads would have a large overcapacity (AADT under 5,000) and even local inhabitants could have a normal life - currently hundreds of loaded trucks drive by their windows daily.

no, because an m road if built to 2x2 would certainly be tolled, so commuters would remain on the old road
It is an interesting issue in other places as well. E.g. M2. That road has an AADT of 25,000, currently being a 2×1 expressway. It will be developed to a full motorway but local commuters are against it since it is now free but as a motorway it would probably be tolled. It means that (a) local commuters have to pay a fee (b) casual users would probably not buy the vignette for twentysome kilometers but use the old road through the villages, making noise and dust there.

thats only a problem because we lack main roads as well

there should be 3 levels, like the m1 corridor where you can still trace the old road, the main road and the highway

main road 1 was built as the half profile for the future m1, yet when time came to build m1 they chose an even more direct route

this is one of the reasons why i advocate for half profiles, there is no way of telling what kind of traffic volumes/compositions or what kind of technologies will exist 20-30 years down the road


i guess part of the solution could be the gps based universal toll system, but i am against that because it will be yet another tax disproportionately targeting the productive side of hungarian society in an age when motorists already subsidize the central budget to the tune of 2-2,5 bn euros ... no problem passing it then

^^I seriously disagree. For such roads the main issue is that it is almost impossible to overtake slow vehicles. National road 85-86 just like 44, etc. has heavy truck traffic. If you build a 2×1 half motorway, it will be still impossible to overtake and you don't solve anything - and we all know that in the following 15-20 years we won't have the money for completing such a half motorway.

Lesson 1, example 1:

Point on the pictures the slow traffic that would be hard to overtake on a 2x1 road. Use red marker to emphasize it.

Lesson 1, example 1:

Point on the pictures the slow traffic that would be hard to overtake on a 2x1 road. Use red marker to emphasize it.
Sorry?

Road 86:
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/1599/img43041024x683.jpg

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/1281/img43051024x683.jpg

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7479/img43061024x683.jpg

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/1217/img43071024x682.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7029/img43081024x683.jpg

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/5868/img43091024x680.jpg

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/944/img43101024x471.jpg

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4839/img43111024x679.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1899/img43141024x683.jpg

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/6576/img43151024x682a.jpg

M1:
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2305/img43161024x683.jpg

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/8776/img43171024x683.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1866/img43191024x684.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9338/img43241024x684.jpg

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4606/img43291024x685.jpg

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5857/img43351024x683.jpg

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/529/img43371024x682.jpg

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/4848/img43381024x670.jpg

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6575/img43391024x684.jpg

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/879/img43401024x683.jpg

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5130/img43411024x684.jpg

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2845/img43451024x682.jpg

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/2223/img43461024x683.jpg

Good heavens... amount of objects to comprehend: 30 (numbers, arrows, symbols, destinations, distances)
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/6576/img43151024x682a.jpg

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/879/img43401024x683.jpg



If they would build that section of M1 nowadays there surely would be a big viaduct or 2 tunnels... :-)

^^ I think this solution is better, cheaper.

^^ I think this solution is better, cheaper.

that was supposed to be a joke. of course its cheaper (and smarter)

Good heavens... amount of objects to comprehend: 30 (numbers, arrows, symbols, destinations, distances)


That location is close to Austria, it might be their influence :D

Last week I drove a lot in Hungary. Here are the pics from my trip:

Entrance in Hungary at Nagylak border crossing with Romania:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-DVBnW9wHbgA/TmOfvAoh4WI/AAAAAAAAEJQ/4hDQqzutBgQ/DSC_0019.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-zOZkJ25AU2Y/TmOf3OToIQI/AAAAAAAAEJU/yvKCPK7slPo/DSC_0021.JPG

On M43 motorway crossing Tisza bridge in Szeged:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-u8zbOi89Tks/TmOgVYOkk7I/AAAAAAAAEJY/CUctviKy6lQ/DSC_0032.JPG

Roadworks on M5 exactly at M43 - M5 interchange. Had to take Belgrade exit :(

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-6Q95wXOw87A/TmOgc8ciPgI/AAAAAAAAEJc/fYGFw-iQ5fg/DSC_0049.JPG

At the first exit we could turn back around to Budapest:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-KSS8o2-yPBM/TmOgmue4t7I/AAAAAAAAEJg/tQLO6eyTuPs/DSC_0066.JPG

Roadworks on M5:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-4bazROxOOzA/TmOgpdDcjWI/AAAAAAAAEJk/8lMqRKYL_yY/DSC_0073.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-eUDDqVmzBYQ/TmOgyB9B6NI/AAAAAAAAEJo/Sjmwp00MFHg/DSC_0077.JPG

Truck weight check station on M5:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-mCI--k0zHD0/TmOg8RcL1XI/AAAAAAAAEJs/uF2u0JgHBWc/DSC_0093.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xHYbCk6Q0-I/TmOg_f0C8zI/AAAAAAAAEJw/-LnDftOzQhM/DSC_0095.JPG

M5 - M0-north exit:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-eTFHVvMI8fI/TmOhJDHglCI/AAAAAAAAEJ0/ABR523irADM/DSC_0107.JPG

Taking M0-south exit:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-cvi3VXqBjMk/TmOhSjRAa2I/AAAAAAAAEJ4/ki7TWlWYS40/DSC_0113.JPG

Works at the M0-south + north link:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-yrLGlKx6niY/TmOhagnhNpI/AAAAAAAAEJ8/js6c6AZQpvs/DSC_0124.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-G_ACrKlo-j0/TmOhgvDpnqI/AAAAAAAAEKA/D8EiJrIcqHU/DSC_0128.JPG

I wasn't happy to see this:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-M1McggHuH_0/TmOhkm_TGxI/AAAAAAAAEKE/z8yUQCCI2U8/DSC_0135.JPG

Future M0 lanes on the left:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-BQWNC_wiSCo/TmOhpXc53YI/AAAAAAAAEKI/IoQM9Aaqz_E/DSC_0147.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9eXidMTjSu0/TmOhyBEoUzI/AAAAAAAAEKM/ejtOoVicgHI/DSC_0151.JPG

Very loooooooooooong queue and a maximum speed of 30 km/h :(

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-IImTuSC-h8A/TmOh3YbpYnI/AAAAAAAAEKQ/QvNtDwwfEaA/DSC_0160.JPG

M6 overpass:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HVXjpEz1m8I/TmOh9JdTIiI/AAAAAAAAEKU/oeqfx35jheA/DSC_0163.JPG

The traffic was going so fast that I had time to stop and take this mirror picture:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-lEFdBLgj7Lk/TmOiPxfWWoI/AAAAAAAAEKc/9Nrc4uIUiuw/DSC_0176.JPG

M0 expansion works:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-JpckZKgBMlw/TmOiYAQVzbI/AAAAAAAAEKg/rHZivqXXsuU/DSC_0183.JPG

Reason for traffic going so slow:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-uzaWMeL7sds/TmOibGadmVI/AAAAAAAAEKk/4ZnoO_F1W4g/DSC_0188.JPG

More works:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-yTaogeyKMuI/TmOieCVuQuI/AAAAAAAAEKo/TdGNFYpclQ8/DSC_0191.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-WRhoICZH5F8/TmOij6hS1JI/AAAAAAAAEKs/BVfc-f584t4/DSC_0201.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Sm6F4r0PioA/TmOioqbgJeI/AAAAAAAAEKw/d3yhkcsiAsQ/DSC_0208.JPG

Taking the M7 exit to Balaton and Zagreb (my destination):

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-OQx8aaftwNc/TmOitK8yVjI/AAAAAAAAEK0/DgGNy1eLqtY/DSC_0213.JPG

Exiting M0 towards M7 - Balaton:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-eilBvSiinAw/TmOoIOzEYGI/AAAAAAAAELU/ECr8ZVwsz7E/DSC_0217.JPG

M0 seen from M7 overpass:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-SWZo-z7CVe4/TmOoNLUpvFI/AAAAAAAAELY/CiDIq2trkIk/DSC_0222.JPG

Siófok - 87 km (short stop at Balaton Lake):

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-QGz0ncRWwVc/TmOoR8VbxgI/AAAAAAAAELc/1cD9uLHbYF4/DSC_0232.JPG

Zagreb - 328 km (my destination):

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-qfcecUz0f64/TmOoUqb7l9I/AAAAAAAAELg/Uw-9qZYFYb8/DSC_0233.JPG

Electronic sign:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-gq4Ua2r4bCE/TmOob11BbpI/AAAAAAAAELk/fYKMH34QYng/DSC_0239.JPG

Maybe the most important exit on M7:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Jxo9lT9-qOE/TmOomuz7VZI/AAAAAAAAELo/yeXgCWdyWtw/DSC_0254.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-SOwyCNGKAV0/TmOosvtPasI/AAAAAAAAELs/9BUl2M7EhkM/DSC_0255.JPG

Taking the exit in Siófok:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-cLam5ewUBfk/TmOo1pHEe8I/AAAAAAAAELw/rGeFkimLEsc/DSC_0265.JPG

Entrance in Hungary at Nagylak border crossing with Romania:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-zOZkJ25AU2Y/TmOf3OToIQI/AAAAAAAAEJU/yvKCPK7slPo/DSC_0021.JPG

What's with the prohibitions for trucks to overtake on the motorway lately? One country stupidity is another country wisdom? At least Hungary allowed to overtake during the night, unlike epic fail from Slovakia.

What's with the prohibitions for trucks to overtake on the motorway lately? One country stupidity is another country wisdom? At least Hungary allowed to overtake during the night, unlike epic fail from Slovakia.

I've zoomed the original picture in my PC and there is written 06-22, so this ban is valid only during the day.

Next set of pictures. Back on M7:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-OJaTKgluTg0/TmOtTGeZU0I/AAAAAAAAEMg/QyNmO3I7ih0/DSC_0309.JPG

There were a lot of signs like this. Stop if you are tired:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-0gBPmoIO-4Q/TmOtYVSOWzI/AAAAAAAAEMk/l0M8uuRJMFY/DSC_0310.JPG

Sand-storm?

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-LwIrxxeQm4Y/TmOtfJ1FM2I/AAAAAAAAEMo/Z1WK13fItGI/DSC_0312.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-qhg_89LamRk/TmOtmOHatfI/AAAAAAAAEMs/VfN34q0-58I/DSC_0315.JPG

Kőröshegy viaduct:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-zpXI6pi0c70/TmOtpndA6bI/AAAAAAAAEMw/PqyPaizTzPk/DSC_0317.JPG
^^ I have better pictures of the viaduct at the return trip.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-bqbihdDe37Y/TmOtwGYtzsI/AAAAAAAAEM0/yUlkHXfrxTI/DSC_0339.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-jSZWdkCmN6w/TmOt35ctHHI/AAAAAAAAEM4/7-s7ZsnZzf0/DSC_0358.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-1F4Qc07-H0g/TmOt-hGsy3I/AAAAAAAAEM8/uvlWYbRhOE8/DSC_0366.JPG

Some roadworks:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-N2PA_848Tv0/TmOuDZUYGsI/AAAAAAAAENA/B7oZErYkfG4/DSC_0374.JPG

M7 - M70 interchange:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-uNBmzmTsXs8/TmOuNOUEKTI/AAAAAAAAENE/50gj_Oqw0bs/DSC_0390.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-UfiO2n-v7p0/TmOuTRf1HeI/AAAAAAAAENI/FkNkoFNIXOw/DSC_0393.JPG

Nice overpass:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9_zFRIeYKT4/TmOuW79HCpI/AAAAAAAAENM/kwskj3AtCAg/DSC_0395.JPG

Hungarian / Croatian border crossing ahead:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-yms_kdWbzqw/TmOuj8ieJwI/AAAAAAAAENQ/aWrrhgawZT4/DSC_0398.JPG

What's with the prohibitions for trucks to overtake on the motorway lately? One country stupidity is another country wisdom? At least Hungary allowed to overtake during the night, unlike epic fail from Slovakia.

It's a populist measure. Truck passing bans should idealistically only apply on short sections and preferably only during rush hour. Otherwise you get large convoys of trucks, increasing chances of truck pile-ups and problems with entering and leaving the motorway (impenetrable walls of trucks). It's better for truck traffic to spread out than to queue them together with passing bans. And yes - I do find passing trucks annoying too, but you have to understand their position too.

It's a populist measure. Truck passing bans should idealistically only apply on short sections and preferably only during rush hour. Otherwise you get large convoys of trucks, increasing chances of truck pile-ups and problems with entering and leaving the motorway (impenetrable walls of trucks). It's better for truck traffic to spread out than to queue them together with passing bans. And yes - I do find passing trucks annoying too, but you have to understand their position too.

With 2x2 motorways, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I hope everyone agrees that trucks should be prohibited from using the fast lane on 2x3 motorways.

I've noticed many instances of 2x2 motorways getting a third lane for long steep uphill inclines. Some of those would be good on level ground too.

Another way to prevent trucks from bunching up would be to prohibit trucks from following within, say, 200 meters of another truck. Obviously, that would limit the truck-carrying capacity of the motorway.

By the way the speed limit on the Hungarian motorways for trucks ist only 80 km/h, which makes me think that no truck convoys could be formed due to such a ban. Moreover there are no so many steep motorway sections in Hungary. However I could be not right!

^^ Although the speed limit for trucks is 80 everybody is going 90 in Hungary (or even faster - rare cases). I didn't have problems with trucks on H-motorways (except on M0 where the road itself is a problem).

There's also a option to fine drivers who are causing these large convoys by driving slow on the motorway. And if the truck is carrying dangerous goods should be allowed to overtake, because they like Polish truckers drive >85 km/h.

It's a populist measure. Truck passing bans should idealistically only apply on short sections and preferably only during rush hour. Otherwise you get large convoys of trucks, increasing chances of truck pile-ups and problems with entering and leaving the motorway (impenetrable walls of trucks). It's better for truck traffic to spread out than to queue them together with passing bans. And yes - I do find passing trucks annoying too, but you have to understand their position too.
Basically I agree. Only a little addition: according to the law trucks must keep such a distance between each other that is enough for a third truck to enter the same line safely.

^^ And everyone follows this law, trucks have a longer braking distance than light vehicles, regardless it's better to keep a safe distance since anything can happen on a motorway.

I wasn't happy to see this
(...)
Very loooooooooooong queue and a maximum speed of 30 km/h
Everyday situation in M0. I live near to M0 (my town's name can be seen in some of your photos) but I always take a detour instead of using M0.

MO is more crowded than Bucharest's ringroad on 1x1 sections. Especially on the express sections 2x2 where there is an important international freight traffic. A couple of weeks ago it took me 40 minutes to just climb the access road to M0 from M5. Then, the first lane on M0 was simply stuck with trucks, while on the second lane we barely moved. I'll post some pics:


Stuck on access to M0:

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/8815/img8963.jpg

Stuck on M0:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1110/img8970f.jpg

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9613/img8971d.jpg

Expansion works on M0:

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/7553/img8988o.jpg

according to the law trucks must keep such a distance between each other that is enough for a third truck to enter the same line safely.

Only in Hungary? Or are there similar laws in most countries?

Only in Hungary? Or are there similar laws in most countries?
I don't know the rules of other countries about trucks, but I know that this rule was created together with the overtaking ban in order to avoid forming of continous truck rows after a slow vehicle.

@ bogdymol

nice photos! kudos to your girlfriend. :cheers:


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-qfcecUz0f64/TmOoUqb7l9I/AAAAAAAAELg/Uw-9qZYFYb8/DSC_0233.JPG


Ljubljana 447km :nuts:


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-uNBmzmTsXs8/TmOuNOUEKTI/AAAAAAAAENE/50gj_Oqw0bs/DSC_0390.JPG


why Zagreb for trucs via M70? where is even that route?

I see M0 was a hell. :) how old is it that it's only 2x2?

MO is more crowded than Bucharest's ringroad on 1x1 sections. Especially on the express sections 2x2 where there is an important international freight traffic. A couple of weeks ago it took me 40 minutes to just climb the access road to M0 from M5. Then, the first lane on M0 was simply stuck with trucks, while on the second lane we barely moved. I'll post some pics:


Next time use M5-Lágymányosi hid-Szerémi út-Andor utca-Egér út. Its 2x2 all the way to M1, you just have to pass some traffic lights.
It makes no sense using M0 south before extension is not completed. Its hell.

@ bogdymol

nice photos! kudos to your girlfriend. :cheers:

:cheers:

why Zagreb for trucs via M70? where is even that route?

Trucks have to use the old border crossing (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=E65%2FE71%2FM7&daddr=46.4200623,16.7010386+to:A4%2FE65%2FE71&hl=en&ll=46.418689,16.721878&spn=0.067927,0.154324&sll=46.417683,16.702566&sspn=0.033964,0.077162&geocode=FZo-xAId9o3_AA%3BFV5QxAIdbtb-ACkHNgk8mbtoRzEhMxPrKMQAEw%3BFTcexAIdNIL-AA&vpsrc=6&mra=dpe&mrsp=1&sz=14&via=1&z=13), since the new one is adapted only for cars and buses. It's just a 2-km detour for them, so no problems here.

Next time use M5-Lágymányosi hid-Szerémi út-Andor utca-Egér út. Its 2x2 all the way to M1, you just have to pass some traffic lights.
It makes no sense using M0 south before extension is not completed. Its hell.

It looks like a good route on the map. I will keep this in my mind for the next trip.

I see M0 was a hell. :) how old is it that it's only 2x2?
M0 is ALWAYS a hell. I myself use always the detour through Lágymányosi (new name: Rákóczi) bridge. It is longer but much faster.
The south section of M0 was built in 1988-1994.

^^
Can you please post a Google Map image + link for this detour?
Thanks!

^^
Can you please post a Google Map image + link for this detour?
Thanks!

I think that this (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=E60%2FE75&daddr=47.45531,19.04578+to:E60%2FE75&hl=en&ll=47.447129,19.024887&spn=0.266541,0.617294&sll=47.460942,19.039307&sspn=0.066618,0.154324&geocode=FbQb0wId8o0kAQ%3BFU4c1AIdlJ0iASm3WiSTnt1BRzEhPDPqKMQAEw%3BFfBa1AIdN8YfAQ&vpsrc=6&mra=dvme&mrsp=1&sz=13&via=1&z=11) is the route.

offtopic: how was your trip yesterday? :)

I think that this (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=E60%2FE75&daddr=47.45531,19.04578+to:E60%2FE75&hl=en&ll=47.447129,19.024887&spn=0.266541,0.617294&sll=47.460942,19.039307&sspn=0.066618,0.154324&geocode=FbQb0wId8o0kAQ%3BFU4c1AIdlJ0iASm3WiSTnt1BRzEhPDPqKMQAEw%3BFfBa1AIdN8YfAQ&vpsrc=6&mra=dvme&mrsp=1&sz=13&via=1&z=11) is the route.
Correct.

Unfortunately that route can get crowded too during rush hours, especially around the bridge. Still safer route than M0, no doubt.

Unfortunately that route can get crowded too during rush hours, especially around the bridge. Still safer route than M0, no doubt.

Yes, especially when youre coming from M1 to Rákoczi hid. I forgot to mention that from that direction 2x2 merges to 2x1 when approaching the bridge.

Im always getting angry when I drive there, because only the road marks had to be repainted and you'd have 2x2 also from that direction all the way. But thinking is not very popular in Budapest. So its also not perfect, but its far better than M0 south.

I drove through Hungary last thursday, from Zagreb to eastern Slovakia (Letenye-{M7}-Budapest-{M3}-Miskolc-Tornyosnemeti). Net driving time was exactly 5 hours, average speed 96kph.

I approached Budapest at 7:30 p.m. I wanted to try M0 and new M31, but co-driver convinced me to go through Budapest and it was a good idea. It took 43 minutes to get from M0xM7 interchange to M3xM31 interchange. M0 and M31 path between those 2 interchanges is 68 km long, so average speed 95kph would have been need to get driving time 43 minutes. It seems like it's impossible now, but what about the future? When expansion works and new short section near M5 is finished, would it be possible to get average speed 90-100kph on M0 and M31? I think speed limit on southern sections of M0 was 80 or 100 and on M31 it's 110..

Speaking of bad traffic on M0-south, here is a video I've recorded exactly one week ago:

xyjwYg7rXKk
map: http://g.co/maps/3gdb

I drove through Hungary last thursday, from Zagreb to eastern Slovakia (Letenye-{M7}-Budapest-{M3}-Miskolc-Tornyosnemeti). Net driving time was exactly 5 hours, average speed 96kph.

I approached Budapest at 7:30 p.m. I wanted to try M0 and new M31, but co-driver convinced me to go through Budapest and it was a good idea. It took 43 minutes to get from M0xM7 interchange to M3xM31 interchange. M0 and M31 path between those 2 interchanges is 68 km long, so average speed 95kph would have been need to get driving time 43 minutes. It seems like it's impossible now, but what about the future? When expansion works and new short section near M5 is finished, would it be possible to get average speed 90-100kph on M0 and M31? I think speed limit on southern sections of M0 was 80 or 100 and on M31 it's 110..

The Eastern section of M0 has a speed limit of 110 km/h, just like the M31. When the widening and extension is done, the limit on the Southern section will also be 110.

Speaking of bad traffic on M0-south, here is a video I've recorded exactly one week ago:

xyjwYg7rXKk
map: http://g.co/maps/3gdb

LOL at 0:15. :lol:

Next time use M5-Lágymányosi hid-Szerémi út-Andor utca-Egér út. Its 2x2 all the way to M1, you just have to pass some traffic lights.
It makes no sense using M0 south before extension is not completed. Its hell.

Thanks a lot! It's good to know. :cheers:

LOL at 0:15. :lol:

http://i.imgur.com/POZx9.jpg

:lol:

LOL at 0:15. :lol:

Do you have a problem with that, sir? :troll:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-U9G5rsLz8uc/TmUSWQ04-6I/AAAAAAAAEQ4/VobGysPRU80/s912/DSC_0443.JPG

We need this sign:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Moose-warning.svg
:D

We need this sign:
http://www.freestockphotos.biz/pictures/11/11280/warning.png
:D

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^^ now it should

The Eastern section of M0 has a speed limit of 110 km/h, just like the M31. When the widening and extension is done, the limit on the Southern section will also be 110.

M31 is a motorway so 130kph, except a few 110 section

erka vid:

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We need this sign:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Moose-warning.svg
:D

^^ now it should

:rofl:

^^I expect that M7 - M3 will be faster through the city even after M0 widening will be finished, at least outside rush hours. Weekdays, 7-19h the ringroad will be faster.

^^I expect that M7 - M3 will be faster through the city even after M0 widening will be finished, at least outside rush hours. Weekdays, 7-19h the ringroad will be faster.

Yeah right, at night I need for the M1-M3 distance about 20 minutes through the city, which is impossible on M0 no matter how wide it is. That shows only how crazy traffic is in Budapest during rush hours (and that a straight line is always the fastest way between 2 points :-)

Do you have a problem with that, sir? :troll:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-U9G5rsLz8uc/TmUSWQ04-6I/AAAAAAAAEQ4/VobGysPRU80/s912/DSC_0443.JPG

You're a female?:sly::eek:

You're a female?:sly::eek:

No, but my girlfriend is :)

No, but my girlfriend is :)
That is good to know. :D

That is good to know. :D

What are you suggesting? :|

What are you suggesting? :|
:angel:

:nono:

M7 - M70 interchange:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-uNBmzmTsXs8/TmOuNOUEKTI/AAAAAAAAENE/50gj_Oqw0bs/DSC_0390.JPG



This sign is a little misleading. Seems like both directions point to Zagreb, but if you look on the map the quickest way to get to Zagreb is to go left (keep driving on M7). If I turned right I would have to drive to Slovenia (Maribor) and then south to Zagreb which would be about 50% longer.

Nice photos though.

This sign is a little misleading. Seems like both directions point to Zagreb, but if you look on the map the quickest way to get to Zagreb is to go left (keep driving on M7). If I turned right I would have to drive to Slovenia (Maribor) and then south to Zagreb which would be about 50% longer.

It seems to me that the sign indicates that cars and buses to Zagreb should go left and that trucks going to Zagreb should go right.

^^ That is correct. Only cars and busses are allowed to go forward to the new border crossing (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=E65%2FE71%2FM7&daddr=A4%2FE65%2FE71&hl=en&ll=46.410168,16.720333&spn=0.067938,0.154324&sll=46.407527,16.677557&sspn=0.004246,0.009645&geocode=Fdg_xAIdB53_AA%3BFeYexAIdKnT-AA&vpsrc=6&mra=me&mrsp=1,0&sz=17&z=13). Trucks have to go on M70 and then take the first exit so they are using the old border crossing (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=E65%2FE71%2FM7&daddr=46.42032,16.6970154+to:A4%2FE65%2FE71&hl=en&sll=46.410168,16.720333&sspn=0.067938,0.154324&geocode=Fdg_xAIdB53_AA%3BFWBRxAIdt8b-ACkHNgk8mbtoRzEhMxPrKMQAEw%3BFeYexAIdKnT-AA&vpsrc=0&mra=dpe&mrsp=1&sz=13&via=1&z=13) which is fitted for their needs.

This sign is a little misleading. Seems like both directions point to Zagreb, but if you look on the map the quickest way to get to Zagreb is to go left (keep driving on M7). If I turned right I would have to drive to Slovenia (Maribor) and then south to Zagreb which would be about 50% longer.
Nice photos though.
The yellow sign at the roadside some 100 meters further provides additional information for truck drivers. It is not allowed for them to go to the left (M7) but the right way (M70) must be used, and the first exit. They have to use another border station (the old one, actually) and then the same way as cars do directing to Zagreb. It is only a 1-2 kms of detour.

If I turned right I would have to drive to Slovenia (Maribor) and then south to Zagreb which would be about 50% longer.



well, don't do that, that would be just silly... but unless you're in a truck you don't have to worry about that

this is the detour for trucks.


http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn279/erka001/M7truckroute.jpg

Speaking of bad traffic on M0-south, here is a video I've recorded exactly one week ago:

xyjwYg7rXKk
map: http://g.co/maps/3gdb

A little late, but thank you bogdymol for this movie with M0. They still have a lot of work there.

I wonder how many cars/trucks jumped the queue at the M6 interchange using the collector/distributor lanes. I saw quite a few.

A little late, but thank you bogdymol for this movie with M0. They still have a lot of work there.

Someone here sugested this (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=E60%2FE75&daddr=47.4544059,19.0204823+to:E60%2FE75&hl=en&ll=47.431339,19.043427&spn=0.266622,0.617294&sll=47.455603,19.035873&sspn=0.066625,0.154324&geocode=FXp00gIdYBolAQ%3BFcUY1AIdwjoiASl9gQSzkt1BRzExaBLrKMQAEw%3BFUKC1AIdTH8fAQ&vpsrc=6&mra=dvme&mrsp=1&sz=13&via=1&z=11) route. I think it's a good one to avoid M0-south traffic. Maybe you will try it when you come back to RO and tell us after that how was it.

I wonder how many cars/trucks jumped the queue at the M6 interchange using the collector/distributor lanes. I saw quite a few.

I noticed this but it was too late. If I knew that I can take that route I would have done it :D

U/C M3 between Nyíregyháza and Main road 49 (33,8 km) is behind schedule by 11 months... New deadline is 2012 november. The section from Main road 49 till Vásárosnamény (11,9 km) will be tendered next month.

Progress report:

http://iho.hu/hir/majd-egy-ev-csuszassal-keszul-el-az-m3-as-uj-szakasza-1109

U/C M3 between Nyíregyháza and Main road 49 (33,8 km) is behind schedule by 11 months... New deadline is 2012 november. The section from Main road 49 till Vásárosnamény (11,9 km) will be tendered next month.

Progress report:

http://iho.hu/hir/majd-egy-ev-csuszassal-keszul-el-az-m3-as-uj-szakasza-1109

Unbelievable. Why do they set deadlines in Hungary anyway? Would be better if they just say "coming soon", or "construction will be done someday".

And I really hate it that the weather is being blamed always for everything. Its like a slogan for everything. Like its only possible to build roads on cloudless, sunshiny days...

Unbelievable. Why do they set deadlines in Hungary anyway? Would be better if they just say "coming soon", or "construction will be done someday".

And I really hate it that the weather is being blamed always for everything. Its like a slogan for everything. Like its only possible to build roads on cloudless, sunshiny days...

I agree, but in this case it was common knowledge...

You speak Hungarian, don't you?

The reasons of the delay were already published in the constructor's Q1 magazine...

http://www.colas.hu/index.php/ujsag/mind/

I agree, but in this case it was common knowledge...

You speak Hungarian, don't you?

The reasons of the delay were already published in the constructor's Q1 magazine...

http://www.colas.hu/index.php/ujsag/mind/

Okay, I may overlooked it. But that doesnt change my opinion that they should care more about sticking to the original deadlines...

Yes, I speak hungarian.

^ Do you know how strange is for me to see you complaining when you have such a great motorway network? :)
Because delaying & postponing are just two synonyms for Romanian Company for Motorways (CNADNR).

^^
But you have to admit that things seem to evolve in the last period... :)
Otherwise, is there something already going on, in terms of motorway works, between Mako and Hu-Ro border on the M43?

^ Do you know how strange is for me to see you complaining when you have such a great motorway network? :)
Because delaying & postponing are just two synonyms for Romanian Company for Motorways (CNADNR).

Okay, I admit I may overreacted but its also true that I won't say a word when it'd be only 2-3 month delay, but thats nearly a year (okay that stretch of M3 is not that important anyway).

But take a look on M0 section 51-M5, originaly it was planned to inagurate it on 12/31/10. (or section M1-M7 where the construction hasnt even began)

M43: constructing of Mako-Hu/Ro border have been stopped last week because of money issues...

you have such a great motorway network? :)

Yes, but still nearly the half of it is missing: M0 (M1-11), M2, M4, M10, M43, M86. But its a decent network now, I have to admit.

...
M43: constructing of Mako-Hu/Ro border have been stopped last week because of money issues...
Thanks for the info.

Don't belive it, the construction of M43 wasn't even started, only archeological explorations were started a year ago which have been stopped last week due to money issues.

About M0:
- the works are ongoing on the section between main road 51 and M5, but the works were stopped due to the constructor bankrupted last year...
- between M1 and Törökbálint IC the works didn't even started because that project was supposed to build by a private company that was doing a big developement next to the M0 but that company bankrupted as well...

^^
Thank you for the details.
But the specific contract has been awarded, I suppose... ?!

If both contracting companies bankrupted, there is no contract anymore.

I think they have to re-run the tender process, and then award the 2 lots, which means at least 6 months of delay if not more. Which means more reasons for delays for the Romanian companies in charge of Nadlac-Arad. :D

^^
I don't see the reason why the execution works of the motorway should by synchronized on both sides. Every party should be in charge of completing his own tasks up the meeting point and only when this will be achieved, the construction of the Custom Facilities/House should be started, if it will be the case anymore.

highway robbery in this case is quite literally true, 25-33 percent is channelled to the politicians

no hurry

M7 motorway in Hungary:

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map: http://g.co/maps/acqy3

I have to make shorter videos since YouTube AudioSwap dosen't have songs this long.

Don't belive it, the construction of M43 wasn't even started, only archeological explorations were started a year ago which have been stopped last week due to money issues.


works can resume

http://hir6.hu/cikk/58364/fizetett_a_nok_folytatodhat_a_regeszeti_munka_az_m43asnal

M43: constructing of Mako-Hu/Ro border have been stopped last week because of money issues...

Physical construction can begin after 06.15.2012...

Yesterday I saw that the first concrete surfaces have been made M0 - 51 - (future M51) IC, the progress has been increased in the last months, if they will continue like this they must be ready next summer. (Maybe tomorrow I will be able to take some shots of this section( maybe))

M7 motorway in Hungary:

ez7fbwIiO1k
map: http://g.co/maps/acqy3

I have to make shorter videos since YouTube AudioSwap dosen't have songs this long.

Great motorway, great Ungarian black asphalt, very long motorway. but why did you stop and emidiatelly continue? Or did you skip the part where you rested?

Liked it a lot. Excelent. Hungary is a great country.

Liked it a lot. Excelent. Hungary is a great country.

Interesting to hear from a visitor from such a remote corner of the world!
Would like to tour Chile, Argentina, Tierra del Fuego and Cape Hoorn one day ... and also experience the roads there!

Great motorway, great Ungarian black asphalt, very long motorway. but why did you stop and emidiatelly continue? Or did you skip the part where you rested?

I tought that you are not interested in what I did in that roadside rest area, so I skipped that part.

Ok, no problem. The thing is, I did not see how the sky changed or clouds moved while you skipped there. That is why I thought you stopped and continued emidiatelly

The current M0 itself:
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/5402/dsc00665o.jpg

Main road 5 - New M0 interchange:
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/160/dsc00668uy.jpg

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/479/dsc00669ft.jpg

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/3835/dsc00670dj.jpg

Viewing west to the new M0:
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/4326/dsc00672p.jpg

A picture of main road 5 (direction Budapest, after turned back):
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4947/dsc00675fa.jpg

Approaching the new M0 - main road 5 interchange again:
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/3936/dsc00676t.jpg

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6388/dsc00677kn.jpg

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/4829/dsc00678c.jpg

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/1149/dsc00679y.jpg

M0 - main road 51 interchange:
New overpass is not ready yet
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1238/dsc00685kx.jpg

Looking west from the old overpass
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3440/dsc00687yq.jpg

The next pictures were taken between main road 51 and 5 (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=207872992072481709113.0004ad638c3c9430ba3b0):
Looking west to M0-51 interchange:
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4788/dsc00689tb.jpg

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1968/dsc00690e.jpg

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1307/dsc00692ss.jpg

Looking east in direction of M5:

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/5492/dsc00693oi.jpg

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/8872/dsc00694zp.jpg

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/2206/dsc00695jw.jpg

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/4245/dsc00697iu.jpg

very nice pictures from M0 falusi. do you maybe know when the exact opening date of this new section is ?

^^Huge respect and many, many thanx Falusi!!!:cheers:

It isn't concrete? How so?

It isn't concrete? How so?

puzzling to say the least

maybe the concrete was used to put a few people to rest

^^ The concrete will be laid on this asphalt layer. The M0 East and M31 was built this way too.

^^ The concrete will be laid on this asphalt layer. The M0 East and M31 was built this way too.

What is the purpose of an asphalt layer below the concrete layer?

What is the purpose of an asphalt layer below the concrete layer?

Stress absorbing layer.

Nothing new? :)

Only a new African Forest Buffalo in the BpZoo:

http://www.greenfo.hu/uploads/hirek/28582/cikk.jpg

^^:D Nice one...

Any news on Hungary's newest E road, E579? Does it appear on signs yet so that motorists can follow it until it vanishes near the Ukraine border?

E 579: Görbeháza - Nyíregyháza - Vásárosnamény - Beregdaróc

Construction of a new section (45,7 Km) on M3 ( Nyíregyháza-Vásárosnamény ) will start "shortly".

Any news on Hungary's newest E road, E579? Does it appear on signs yet so that motorists can follow it until it vanishes near the Ukraine border?

E 579: Görbeháza - Nyíregyháza - Vásárosnamény - Beregdaróc

Is there are any other new E - roads?? Not necessarily in Hungary:)

Orbán, the Hungarian Lukashenko has not banned all the freeway developments after all, he must have found a way to secure his cut, as something is going on M0, albeit at a snail's pace, but it is something. Way overpriced of course, but at least the deadly silence of the past 1.5 years is ruffled by some feeble waves.

http://fn.hir24.hu/itthon/2011/10/13/helyere-ultetik-az-uj-m0-s-hidat/

Scroll down, Youtube video.

Construction of a new section (45,7 Km) on M3 ( Nyíregyháza-Vásárosnamény ) will start "shortly".

isnt Nyiregyháza-Vaja section already under construction? I thought deadline has postponed to end of 2012 but its being built since end of 2010.

Motorways in Hungary are impressive. I had a chance to drive from Poland to Hajduszoboszlo this past summer and have to say that I was amazed by the highway infrastructure. I hope that Poland will soon have a vast motorway network like our brothers, the Hungarians have. Good job guys :)

Polak i Węgier dwaj bratanki ;) (Pole and Hungarian two brothers)

^^ Thanks :)