dont talk stupid... check the volumes on MR4... :ohno:

10000. Its only more near Debrecen. Main road 4 doesnt need motorway urgently,especially since its destiination is already served by M3/M35. It has the traffic of M30. Even main road 6 has bigger traffic than main road 4.

Motorway for main road 4 is only economical in its Pest county section.

Motorway for main road 4 is only economical in its Pest county section.

And thats where it wont be. How shortsighted :(

is road 710 part of future M8?

according to KTI's drawings, the M4 corridor has much higher traffic than road 6 or 44 for that matter:
http://www.kti.hu/index.php/szolgaltatasok/trendek-grafikus-adatbazis/aruszallitas-logisztika-kombinalt-szallitas-magyarorszagon

according to KTI's drawings, the M4 corridor has much higher traffic than road 6 or 44 for that matter:
http://www.kti.hu/index.php/szolgaltatasok/trendek-grafikus-adatbazis/aruszallitas-logisztika-kombinalt-szallitas-magyarorszagon

I trust "közút" in this more.

I trust "közút" in this more.

Whats there to trust? They either have catastrophically bad figures which I dont believe, or they are good enough to judge the volume of traffic, at least comparatively.

is road 710 part of future M8?

yes

some pictures (http://www.nif.hu/multimedia/gallery/122) about the construction.

Gosh, i was hoping it wasnt :(

.Even main road 6 has bigger traffic than main road 4.

.

yes, and MR6 is getting a motorway parralel to it.why shouldn't MR4 get one also?

I trust "közút" in this more.

This one is interesting:

http://www.kti.hu/uploads/images/Trendek/Negyedik/5-067.jpg

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the traffic on the M3 b/w Polgar and Nyiregyhaza is lower than on the parallel national road (?!). This is not something you see often in comparable situations.

Anyways, what a pleasure it is to drive east of the M30 / M3 junction... :)

You can just set the cruise control (of the car if you have one, or yourself's) to 180(+) and just flow!... Well, except for two things:

1. That stupid tight and long right (if going east) turn near Polgar... you need to go less than 150 and be careful there (I wonder why in the world wasn't that section built straighter... must be some natural park, from what I saw on some maps).

2. Inflection points (change between curves with opposite orientations) are really fucked up on the Nyiregyhaza bypass... I really hope they will be fixed when the first major intervention will take place on this road.

Of course, the sweetest ride is always the M35. You go at about 180 and you still only hit a number of cars less than the number of your fingers on the entire stretch b/w Gorbehaza and the beginning of the Debrecen bypass.

Oh, and what a great thing, the collector/distributor motorway on the Debrecen bypass! That truly is something!! Afaik, there is nothing similar in Hungary, or this entire part of Europe, for that matter. Congrats to whoever designed those! Some of us will really be thankful for this in the medium to distant future!

To end this palinka-influenced ramble: maybe this is a bit too early, but when will someone think of widening the M1 from Budapest to Gyor to 2x3?

Oh, and what a great thing, the collector/distributor motorway on the Debrecen bypass! That truly is something!! Afaik, there is nothing similar in Hungary, or this entire part of Europe, for that matter.

The closest is Bratislava. But I didn't know about Debrecen! :)

10000. Its only more near Debrecen. Main road 4 doesnt need motorway urgently,especially since its destiination is already served by M3/M35. It has the traffic of M30. Even main road 6 has bigger traffic than main road 4.

Motorway for main road 4 is only economical in its Pest county section.

you talk stupid again... its more than 20,000... need no motorway, eh? :ohno:

M3/M35 is a 80km detour on the ártánd/Ro - BP route, so most of this traffic goes on the MR4...

The closest is Bratislava. But I didn't know about Debrecen! :)

you can see it on GOOGLE (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=hu&geocode=&q=hungary&ie=UTF8&ll=47.549537,21.553105&spn=0.00496,0.008937&z=17)... :lol:

This one is interesting:
http://www.kti.hu/uploads/images/Trendek/Negyedik/5-067.jpg

nice graph... (have you seen it Rawlee? :lol:)


Correct me if I'm wrong, but the traffic on the M3 b/w Polgar and Nyiregyhaza is lower than on the parallel national road (?!). This is not something you see often in comparable situations.

well, thats a poor region, they dont have money for an expensive sticker... :lol: :lol: :lol:



1. That stupid tight and long right (if going east) turn near Polgar... you need to go less than 150 and be careful there (I wonder why in the world wasn't that section built straighter... must be some natural park, from what I saw on some maps).

that stupid tight curve is because of an alignment change...
(there is a field with protected grass... :lol:)


Of course, the sweetest ride is always the M35. You go at about 180 and you still only hit a number of cars less than the number of your fingers on the entire stretch b/w Gorbehaza and the beginning of the Debrecen bypass.

Oh, and what a great thing, the collector/distributor motorway on the Debrecen bypass! That truly is something!! Afaik, there is nothing similar in Hungary, or this entire part of Europe, for that matter. Congrats to whoever designed those! Some of us will really be thankful for this in the medium to distant future!

yeah, fucking waste of money... :bash: :bash:
but I suggest you not to speed, cause you will be severly fined!

man, you are not allowed to danger yourself by speeding on an empty motorway... :lol:


maybe this is a bit too early, but when will someone think of widening the M1 from Budapest to Gyor to 2x3?

early...
the current (and near future) volumes doesnt recuire a third lane... :)

you talk stupid again... its more than 20,000... need no motorway, eh? :ohno:

M3/M35 is a 80km detour on the ártánd/Ro - BP route, so most of this traffic goes on the MR4...

You talk stupid:

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8004/4t2l.jpg

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3396/20283907.jpg

^^ ok, some correction:
on some sections its more than 20,000 and in avareage it almost 20,000...

its just the double of MR6... :ohno:

If you look at some maps,where it is 20000,there we have agglomerations of big cities, just before and after Debrecen and Nyíregyháza. That traffic wont ever go onto a motorway. The lowest amount on any road between 2 points on the route is the closest to the amount of constant trafic. We have a 5000 volume on the beginning sections in Hajdu-Bihar county,and that contains all the traffic to/from Budapest.

Here's main road 6's page. Traffic is only marginally lower. To get a proper picture of M6's future traffic,main road 56 and 57 should be taken into consideration,and main road 51 could possibly loose some traffic to M6 too,while M4's traffic would be mainly from main road 4.

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6351/58781782.jpg

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9541/6t2.jpg

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And, yeah, H123Laci, wth? What's up with you?
You don't seem to like any proposed or ongoing motorway project in .hu at the moment! Should all the money go to education and health? Or beggar's protection maybe, :P?
I agree, a country with a sick education or health system is doomed to death. But that is not the case of Hungary.

That traffic wont ever go onto a motorway.

you talk stupid again.
why do you think that the bp-monor/cegléd/szolnok traffic wont use the motorway?

currently the M4 is only 10km (vecsés-üllő bypass) and I use it regularly...


Here's main road 6's page. Traffic is only marginally lower.


nope. significantly lower. about half of MR4.


To get a proper picture of M6's future traffic,main road 56 and 57 should be taken into consideration...


why?
that traffic IS IN the traffic figues of MR6.
you dont have to add it to the traffic of MR6 again... :lol:


and main road 51 could possibly loose some traffic to M6 too,while M4's traffic would be mainly from main road 4.


volume on MR51 is low and is for local traffic...
M4 will get some traffic from M3/M35 which is a huge (80km) detour...


you argue against M4 with the slow development of the transylvanian motorway...

and what about the transbosnian motorway? :lol:

(the V/C corridor will only be fuctional when it will reach to ploce... till then it will be a ghost-motorway...

but the MR4 is an important international transit route ALREADY.
and it should be an official europian corridor... :bash:)

And, yeah, H123Laci, wth? What's up with you?
You don't seem to like any proposed or ongoing motorway project in .hu at the moment! Should all the money go to education and health? Or beggar's protection maybe, :P?


maybe you should read my posts more carefully... :lol:

whats your country? or is it a secret? :)

I didnt tell the road budget is too high...

I just told: we shouldnt build motorways for low traffic volumes while we are in lack of bypass roads and while our main road network is a crap.

with the money we waste to ghost motorways we could solve many traffic problems...

just a little example:
we are building the 5-10km long bypass roads in 2-3 stages in a 5-10 years interval (cause NO money), and we are building the M6 motorway in ONE 150km long stage...

thats ridiculous... :bash:

Exactly. Classic case in point: M3 east of Nyíregyháza.

We wil build 40-50whateverish kms of full profile highway for what will be main road levels of traffic. Both northern-romania and ukraine are very poor. There is no need for a motorway NOW east of Nyíregyháza.

From the money it will take to construct M3 + 2 half profile sections east of Mátészalka, it would be possible to upgrade ALL the main roads in Szabolcs-Szatmár-Bereg county PLUS build a new bridge round Tokaj.


But no, we will have a motorway for people to speed on and police to fine people for speeding on an EMPTY motorway.


MEANWHILE over on the 'western front' we cant afford to build a PROPER HIGHWAY, instead M85/86 will be express roads with narrow shoulders for 110 kph. GIVE ME A BREAK.

A motorway is so much more than only traffic volumes...

traffic safety
economic development
employment
mobility of the workforce
etc.

A motorway is so much more than only traffic volumes...

traffic safety
economic development
employment
mobility of the workforce
etc.

YES YES YES

BUT if you have LIMITED RESOURCES and a CHART with traffic volumes _MAYBE_ build the motorway where the volume DEMANDS it

because if you DONT, then the overwhealming traffic on the overcrowded sections (road 85, 86, 4, 10) will mean
less safety
less output
less employment
less mobility

see?:)

No need to shout. I think the busier areas should get a higher priority, just pointing out that a motorway is more than just traffic volumes, where politicians usually look at.

But why build it now if you can build it over 10 years for twice the price? :D

A motorway is so much more than only traffic volumes...

traffic safety
economic development
employment
mobility of the workforce
etc.

Slovenians don't think so

Oh stfu already, you're obsessed with us. No one cares what Slovenians think in a Hungarian thread.

Oh stfu already, you're obsessed with us. No one cares what Slovenians think in a Hungarian thread.

thats right :hahaha:

uf, i just wanted to warn chris that he was not right because i guess slovenians are wise enough and they know what they're doing (and it is opposite from chris's claims). i'm sorry if i was misunderstood

And in what point Slovenia differs? We will not build motorways on sections where there are not enough traffic.

And in what point Slovenia differs? We will not build motorways on sections where there are not enough traffic.

well, ask chris (and whole world except slovenia), he said that traffic volume is not the only parameter for motorway construction http://smileyshut.com/smileys/new/Angels-and-Demons/saint-0095.gif

maybe you should read my posts more carefully... :lol:

whats your country? or is it a secret? :)

I didnt tell the road budget is too high...

I just told: we shouldnt build motorways for low traffic volumes while we are in lack of bypass roads and while our main road network is a crap.

with the money we waste to ghost motorways we could solve many traffic problems...

just a little example:
we are building the 5-10km long bypass roads in 2-3 stages in a 5-10 years interval (cause NO money), and we are building the M6 motorway in ONE 150km long stage...


My country is Romania, you could've obviously figured it out by now.
Well if what you say is right, then I agree... Indeed, in Hungary I've driven 95% on motorways and only 5% on national roads. Which were in outstanding condition, by the way!

So I assumed that national (and regional / local) roads in .hu were in great shape. Sorry about my mistake.

But still...

well, ask chris (and whole world except slovenia), he said that traffic volume is not the only parameter for motorway construction http://smileyshut.com/smileys/new/Angels-and-Demons/saint-0095.gif

On the sections where we are not building motorways current roads are enough to support economic development, transit trafic, workforce mobility etc.

For example, let's take section Ptuj-Gruškovje. 9 months of the year this road is virtually empty even during morning rush. Speed limit is 90 km/h and you can easily drive at least 120 km/h all the way. When you come over to Croatia and their new motorway, speed limit is 80-100-110 km/h. That is almost the same as in Slovenia. I use Slovenian main road daily and I am almost always alone on the road. Currently, there is no need for motorway.

A motorway is so much more than only traffic volumes...

traffic safety
economic development
employment
mobility of the workforce
etc.


you are right.

in a situation where every road is perfect quality and has enough capacity I would say: lets build some motorway to boost the economy, increase safety, ect...

but our current situation is not that nice:

most of our main roads are crap and lacks of bypasses, and some of them are heavily congested... (eg. MR4, MR10) and the road budget is very imited...

IMO in this situation the best way of spending the limited money is to build as many bypasses as possible, to renew the crap roads, to build many roundabouts, and to build motorways ONLY where the traffic volume is high enough...

2009.04.10.

turning off of nr. 8119 towards tatabánya industrail estate
http://www.sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0249.jpg

the ass of bridgestone
http://www.sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0251.jpg

industrial estate backroads w/ factories
http://www.sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0252.jpg
http://www.sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0254.jpg
http://www.sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0263.jpg


typical 'upgraded' arterial road in a village-like section
http://www.sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0270.jpg
http://www.sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0272.jpg
http://www.sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0273.jpg
http://www.sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0274.jpg


main road nr. 1 and M1 .. busy as always :)
http://www.sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0276.jpg

ok heres the real deal
http://www.sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0277.jpg

tatabánya from above
http://www.sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0278.jpg

railroad station (left) and mall (right)
http://www.sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0279.jpg

M1
http://www.sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0282.jpg
http://www.sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0284.jpg
http://www.sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0285.jpg

For example, let's take section Ptuj-Gruškovje. 9 months of the year this road is virtually empty even during morning rush. Speed limit is 90 km/h and you can easily drive at least 120 km/h all the way. When you come over to Croatia and their new motorway, speed limit is 80-100-110 km/h. That is almost the same as in Slovenia. I use Slovenian main road daily and I am almost always alone on the road. Currently, there is no need for motorway.

empty :lol: all those trucks must be teleported :lol: and why the hell they dont' put 120 speed limit? and safety must be just the same as at HR side :lol: :bang:

Thx Chris for the correction of the title :D

No need to shout.

He was jus emphasizing his words... (we sometimes use caps instead of bold)


But why build it now if you can build it over 10 years for twice the price? :D

the question was NOT "to build or not to build", but it was "what to build"... :)

Ongoing and starting road and motorway projects:

http://www.nif.hu/multimedia/gallery/759
(sorry for the large size,its readable only this way)

http://www.nif.hu/multimedia/gallery/gallery/759/kozut.JPG

pfúj

irtó szar grafika

és még a címben is egy akkora kib@szott nagy typo van hogy aki ezt így kiengedte az....

So the main road nr. 86 will be widened to 2x2 before Szombathely, great! And what improvements does that purple line on main road nr. 86 between Mosonmagyaróvár - Csorna mean?

One pic of M1 before turn to main road nr. 86 from my last summer trip. :)
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_1587.jpg

So the main road nr. 86 will be widened to 2x2 before Szombathely, great!

AFAIK,those will be parts of M86,so not ordinary 2x2.

And what improvements does that purple line on main road nr. 86 between Mosonmagyaróvár - Csorna mean?

Upgrade to 11,5 t.

i would like to see a good connection between Dombóvár and Szekszárd

i would like to see a good connection between Dombóvár and Szekszárd

coming up :)

coming up :)

M9? it doesn't seem to come that fast as i want

AFAIK,those will be parts of M86,so not ordinary 2x2.

Nice to see some progress on E65.

Should M86 and M9 be motorways or expressways?

pfúj, irtó szar grafika... és még a címben is egy akkora kib@szott nagy typo van hogy aki ezt így kiengedte az....

here you are: the eXtra Small size: :lol:
http://img9.indafoto.hu/8/5/14925_5e2020a9be8dde3fd1fdd77c4d3b9762/3816303_34e10537399d920f90ddb6c74a561cb5_xs.jpg

but if you find it too small, you can choose from the following list:
http://img9.indafoto.hu/8/5/14925_5e2020a9be8dde3fd1fdd77c4d3b9762/3816303_34e10537399d920f90ddb6c74a561cb5_s.jpg
http://img9.indafoto.hu/8/5/14925_5e2020a9be8dde3fd1fdd77c4d3b9762/3816303_34e10537399d920f90ddb6c74a561cb5_m.jpg
http://img9.indafoto.hu/8/5/14925_5e2020a9be8dde3fd1fdd77c4d3b9762/3816303_34e10537399d920f90ddb6c74a561cb5_l.jpg
http://img9.indafoto.hu/8/5/14925_5e2020a9be8dde3fd1fdd77c4d3b9762/3816303_34e10537399d920f90ddb6c74a561cb5_xl.jpg

ki mondta hogy kicsi? az van a címben hogy "építésI alatt álló"

plusz grafikailag egy nagy szar, nem tudom ki csinálta, de irtó szar

^^ this is an english thread, so post in english... :)

whats your problem with its graphical design?

IMO its OK, maybe they shouldnt mix the roundabouts and motorway projects in one diagram... :lol:


the main problem is not the spelling error and the design, but the content:

too many motorways (270km) and too few main roads (90km)...

im a graphic designer, and this graphic is sh!t

it looks like someone took MS Paint to its ultimate...


but the typo in the title - for me - is representing something much bigger: the fact that they can publish an important graphic with such poor design and a bigass typo in the title only suggests the quality of the rest of their work (NIF)......which is counted in the billions...


but ure right about the proportions of course

hey there
whats the current state of the motorway network in hungary ? :)

erm, you can see on the map above: red-working, blue-construction

NIF announced the building contractor of the M0 widening between M1 and M6.

The winner of the procurement was COLAS-HUNGÁRIA Építőipari Kft. the net offer price is 10 923 366 000,- Ft.

http://www.nif.hu/hirek/240


Pictures about M43

http://www.nif.hu/multimedia/gallery/761

Pictures about M43 (http://www.nif.hu/multimedia/gallery/761)

qool photos! :cheers:

(unfortunately there are no such high resolution aerial photos of the M0 eastern sector... :bash:)

hey there
whats the current state of the motorway network in hungary ? :)
...like 1100 Km and progressing.:nuts:

NIF announced the building contractor of the M0 widening between M1 and M6.

The winner of the procurement was COLAS-HUNGÁRIA Építőipari Kft. the net offer price is 10 923 366 000,- Ft.


Just wondering... can any of you guys make a few comments regarding which road building contractors have performed well (finish in time, no major cost overruns, work of good quality) and which contractors have performed not so well in Hungary?

I think constructors are mainly on time(Vegyépszer really f*cked up M6-M0 junction thought),and mainly on cost,but the cost is not necessarily the best.

Quality-wise,I think they are more or less the same.

I think constructors are mainly on time(Vegyépszer really f*cked up M6-M0 junction thought),and mainly on cost,but the cost is not necessarily the best.

Quality-wise,I think they are more or less the same.
Probably, but I think it was a complicated section through urban area and some enviromental issue too with toxic underground and a relocation of a big gaspipe (Kelenföld)....as I heard, so you never know...:nuts:

Only the junction took long,I think the toxic area was farther away. The entire section from Érdi-tető until the junction was ready,except for the junction itself. That part of M6 took more time to build,than the entire process from buying land to finish on M0 east.

tudna valaki küldeni egy viszonylag pontos listát a budapesti emelt sebességű (50 km/h feletti) útszakaszokról?

előre is köszi ha létezik ilyen

^^ English dude.

^^

And don't shout!

Sorry about the Hungarian but I'm afraid You cannot help me. I just asked for a list about Budapest raised speed (>50 km/h) roads.

I know almost all of them (most of the radial avenues + the Hungária circular + Duna riverside roads, 70 km/h) but not exactly.

thx roger for your warning, sorry if i frightened you

could we make a list about these roads?

Szentmihályi road has 60km/h on most of its sections.

List of rural motorways, expressways and raised speed main roads in Hungary

http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/37729493.jpg#3

M31 U/C: (http://indafoto.hu/H123Laci/m31)

human powered exploration vehicles:
http://img6.indafoto.hu/8/5/14925_5e2020a9be8dde3fd1fdd77c4d3b9762/3973467_5cdc10612ad60dad3dc11e34f3b4c324_m.jpg

the M0->M31 IC:
http://img10.indafoto.hu/8/5/14925_5e2020a9be8dde3fd1fdd77c4d3b9762/3973381_c1e8d80525d30178d050a1babee8b22b_m.jpg

cutting:
http://img7.indafoto.hu/8/5/14925_5e2020a9be8dde3fd1fdd77c4d3b9762/3973407_aa622e6ace7ba9ea4c8b761f5a6b98fe_m.jpg

the same cutting 2 months later:
http://img6.indafoto.hu/8/5/14925_5e2020a9be8dde3fd1fdd77c4d3b9762/3973471_4c1f5db5cf57bf6de3eef68434c70a82_m.jpg

another cutting (under cutting):
http://img1.indafoto.hu/8/5/14925_5e2020a9be8dde3fd1fdd77c4d3b9762/3973539_f28eb2ca522da94e15492d2de1e9b6a6_m.jpg

here will be a viaduct (a bigger overpass):
http://img9.indafoto.hu/8/5/14925_5e2020a9be8dde3fd1fdd77c4d3b9762/3973549_533eca58edf5ccfd6421dd5e09877370_m.jpg

a cutting again:
http://img9.indafoto.hu/8/5/14925_5e2020a9be8dde3fd1fdd77c4d3b9762/3973571_fd733685f77b9fb2a78c9f2cc22089fc_m.jpg

main road 3 and lokal railway are detoured: (to build the M31 under them)
http://img10.indafoto.hu/8/5/14925_5e2020a9be8dde3fd1fdd77c4d3b9762/3973621_e5b5b44282d2a41f5e52a1569a84da25_m.jpg

the end of the M31 (and our exploration): the M3 at Gödöllő:
http://img3.indafoto.hu/8/5/14925_5e2020a9be8dde3fd1fdd77c4d3b9762/3973755_3e0329967074acb06dd8316a7421012d_m.jpg



and many more photos here: http://indafoto.hu/H123Laci/m31

How will the interchanges look? Logical would be an US style stack-like structure(so high radious,or like what M3-M35 has),with 2 lanes branching off from M0 towards M3 and the same the other way.

^^
http://roads.extra.hu/road_plans/m31_3_godollo.jpg
http://roads.extra.hu/road_plans/m31_3_godollo.jpg

jó, talán a távoli jövőben veresegyház felé lehet majd hosszabbítani

ups, meaning: in the future it can be extended towards veresegyház

now you all learned some magyar

Nice!
Thanks for the pics man! Good to see that progress, and the nice directional ramps layout of the M3/M31 i-change.
I really think that with intensive work they could finish M31 motorway (I know, I know, you will say expressway) this year. But that would mean some serious works on the bridges...

Now if we could just see the works on the goddamn M0 (M5 - M1) start!

I just realized that more than half of M70 is 4-laned. :lol:

in the future it can be extended towards veresegyház...

I think it will look like this:

there will be a (main?) road between M3(gödöllő) and M2(újtelep) bypassing szada-veresegyház-vácrátót, and making a nice connection between gödöllő and vác...

IMO this area could be improved with the green sections...
(connecting csomád and veresegyház to the M2 by bypassing fót...)

http://img7.indafoto.hu/8/5/14925_5e2020a9be8dde3fd1fdd77c4d3b9762/3976359_3ee70fd7e40f4f9ae30c75e60af759cb_l.jpg (http://img7.indafoto.hu/8/5/14925_5e2020a9be8dde3fd1fdd77c4d3b9762/3976359_3ee70fd7e40f4f9ae30c75e60af759cb_xl.jpg)

I really think that with intensive work they could finish M31 motorway (I know, I know, you will say expressway) this year. But that would mean some serious works on the bridges...

no way.
It will be a very hard work to meet the april 2010 deadline... :nuts:

Were signs on hungarian different in the past ? If yes, what they looked like ?

Were signs on hungarian different in the past ? If yes, what they looked like ?

?? What do you mean? We've been using latin alphabet for some centuries now. The only change happened is the colour of the signs on motorways,they used to be green,but now they're blue.

Were signs on hungarian different in the past ? If yes, what they looked like ?

A few years ago everything had green signs. Now the motorways has blue.

not exactly motorway pictures, but road construction nonetheless
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=389944&page=147

Non-motorways are welcome too ;)

ChrisZwolle

Nice pix in Your personal gallery, grat :)

2 questions:

Why you use "Expressway" and "Priority road" signs together? We use only one of them at the same place because of their different meaning.

What does the green line means on the middle of some road?

An interesting text...wonder if you notice the funny thing:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2130/p4292526.jpg

Palin? :D

Great Sarah Palin! Will anything become of her after the lost elections last year? I hope that the Republicans elect her as the presidential candidate in 2012 - it will be a very easy win for Obama :D

^^ I like Barack Obama... hmmm...Palinka... :lol:

http://borhaza.hu/img/up/pic_112.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1979/imageaspx.jpg (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imageaspx.jpg)

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3215/image1aspx.jpg (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image1aspx.jpg)

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6599/image2aspx.jpg (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image2aspx.jpg)

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5534/image3aspx.jpg (http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image3aspx.jpg)

http://automenedzser.hu/hirek/20090519_igy_epitik_m31.aspx

M6 U/C 05.02.2009

Pár kép Szekszárd-Keletről és a Sió-hídról:

Szekszárd-East interchange:
http://m60.hu/images/szekszard_boly/805.jpg

http://m60.hu/images/szekszard_boly/799.jpg

http://m60.hu/images/szekszard_boly/798.jpg

http://m60.hu/images/szekszard_boly/800.jpg

http://m60.hu/images/szekszard_boly/803.jpg

http://m60.hu/images/szekszard_boly/802.jpg

Carriageway:
http://m60.hu/images/szekszard_boly/806.jpg

http://m60.hu/images/szekszard_boly/807.jpg

http://m60.hu/images/szekszard_boly/819.jpg

Sió bridge:
http://m60.hu/images/szekszard_boly/808.jpg

http://m60.hu/images/szekszard_boly/810.jpg

http://m60.hu/images/szekszard_boly/812.jpg

http://m60.hu/images/szekszard_boly/813.jpg

http://m60.hu/images/szekszard_boly/814.jpg

http://m60.hu/images/szekszard_boly/815.jpg

http://m60.hu/images/szekszard_boly/816.jpg


^^:cheers:

^^ Nice

Pár kép Szekszárd-Keletről és a Sió-hídról

I always get the idea that the Hungarians were betting somewhere in the past who could develop the language with the most accents ;)

^^"Few pics of Szekszárd-East and the Sió-bridge" :lol:

árvíztűrő tükörfúrógép

I've heard that it's almost impossible to learn Hungarian. I guess that this person was right :lol:

I've heard that it's almost impossible to learn Hungarian. I guess that this person was right :lol:

Countless millions through history and 13 or so million people currently managed to do so,so impossible is a bit exaggerated.

Of course, when you're brought up with Hungarian it's not such a big deal. However, when you're grown up and your native language is a completely different kind of language, it's close to impossible to become fluent at it.

I've learned english and some german:dunno: german is logical until a point,but english is simply chaotic,yet I speak it. My language looks difficult,has difficult laws,that you dont even have to learn,everything comes by itself. Every letter pronounced the very same way always,all letters pronounced,no gender...

Don't start the prefixes and suffixes BS... :lol: I hate grammer!

árvíztűrő tükörfúrógép

I almost swallowed my tongue on this one...

I almost swallowed my tongue on this one...
árvíztűrő tükörfúrógép


"á" is like the "a" from german "aber","í" is simply a long "i" the german "die","ű" is long "ü" from "über","ő" is long "ö" from any german word,"ú" long "u" from "und","ó" is long "o" from "ober",and "é" is...well,thats different not just in length. I cant think of any example for it,it is a cross between the long "i"(so "í") and the "e". Basically,if you close your mouth half the way between the "e" and "i",you get this sound.

BTW,it means flood-resistant mirror-drill...

^^ Yes and these 2 words are used to test if all characters appear correctly (like when installing a new font), since they contain all the "special" characters (á,é,í,ó,ö,ő,ü,ű), and has no meaning so easy to remember :)

árvíztűrő tükörfúrógép


"á" is like the "a" from german "aber","í" is simply a long "i" the german "die","ű" is long "ü" from "über","ő" is long "ö" from any german word,"ú" long "u" from "und","ó" is long "o" from "ober",and "é" is...well,thats different not just in length. I cant think of any example for it,it is a cross between the long "i"(so "í") and the "e". Basically,if you close your mouth half the way between the "e" and "i",you get this sound.

BTW,it means flood-resistant mirror-drill...

You didn't explain the difference between ö and ő, ü and ű.
Is ő longer than ö?

Yes,its just length. Point(s) above the letter=short,line(s) above the letter=long.

I almost swallowed my tongue on this one...

german (and maybe holland?) has much more tongue-breaker words... :)

...yes and I can find som polish or finnish words too. In fact if you know the alphabet in any languages then it is already much easier to pronounce a foreign word.:nuts:

The alphabet is pronounced very differently from country to country,even from region to region. Just look az english,they even pronounce the f*ckin' "o" as an "e" in women!!!

If english would be a job you have to do,you would be fired because of its chaotic nature.

So, The 2/A at Budapest is going to be an expressway (maybe motorway) all the way to Vác ( M2) The Widening / construction starts in 2010.
Although I couldn´t see if it is going to be a motorway?
Isn´t it already an expressway to Dunakeszi ?:)

No,its a 90km/h 2x2 expressway until Fót.

Then,afterall it is going to be a motorway!!!

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6773/dscn0726.th.jpg (http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn0726.jpg)

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3117/dscn0728y.th.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn0728y.jpg)

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9728/dscn0732x.th.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn0732x.jpg)


dog driver
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/271/dscn0705.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn0705.jpg)

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8894/dscn0707d.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn0707d.jpg)

A dog in a Suzuki Swift on too large pics... What's so special? ;)

made my day

The dog in the car is the joke, but the pics are way too large :ohno:

gramercy has a decadent 30 inch screen ;)

And he knows that the Dutch greatly dislike Suzuki Swifts ;)

Planning of M8 Kecskemét-Szolnok started!

yesterday i went to Kaposvár and i took few pics. border crossing photos are at appropriate thread.

here we're starting with funny (atleast to me it is allways funny at hungarian border crossings) sign which gives information about ending border crossing :D
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC06060900076.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC06060900077.jpg

this one allways makes me scare because i allways think that you have made some new motorway which requires vignette right behind border :D and it is jsut an information
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC06060900078.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC06060900079.jpg

old signs in berzence :) i dislike font, but they are indeed very clear and understandable (although i allways hardly missed some larger cities here, for instance, Nagykanizsa and Kaposvár; Nagykanizsa appears too far in Iharosberény, Kaposvár in Böhönye)

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC06060900080.jpg

Nagyatád
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC01514.jpg

i saw lots of paper policemen in this area, i missed to photograph them
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC01515.jpg

road 68. not in the best condition and i miss edge lines.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC01517.jpg

finally desired destinations signed!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC01519.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC01520.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC06060900085.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC01521.jpg

i really like those islands at entrances to places to slow down the traffic :) it is very usefull because nobody continues driving with speed as at open road
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC06060900086.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC01522.jpg

i have noticed at road 61 those "french styled" edge lines (not solid, but in long dashes). is it still in use?
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC01523.jpg

maybe here you could see it better (they have faded)
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC01526.jpg

road 61 is under reconstruction in large part. here is refreshed section. unfortunately, i haven't caught this large sign showing how to drive through Kaposvár
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC01528.jpg

i haven't taken bypass of Kaposvár :(
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC01529.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC01530.jpg

at entrance to the city i have met this funny car with Opel Corsa's rear lights and 45 km/h speed limit (probably can be registered on motorcycle plates)
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC01531.jpg

and one from Kaposvár - they have many of intersections with counting-down traffic lights
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC01534.jpg

Many of those roads seem to be in good condition...at least,compared to others I've driven.

Paper policemen?!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC01529.jpg

Expressway?There?Where?

I dont know about the lines...

expressway - Kaposvár bypass which is only for motorized vehicles.
paper policeman - policeman drawn on hard paper, placed beside the road and scaring drivers not to drive fast :D you havn't seen those?

No,here we usually see laser-guided digital policemen,who measure speed before we could see them.

http://index.hu/cikkepek/0611/bulvar/autotrafi/.gdata/a6_05.jpg
(index.hu)

Nice pics, x-type! :okay:

I haven't seen a paper policeman in a long time. But there is even a flat police car somewhere in the country :)

The bypass of Kaposvár is half profile expressway of a 2x2, and it will be part of the M9 some day.

Why is the general speed-limit sign in so many different colors and sizes?http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ixic/DSC06060900077.jpghttp://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee119/Verso1/pa191251.jpg

http://shrani.si/f/3d/rx/32rRtF45/pa191341.jpg

One for the motorway (probably a new style) and one for the other roads?

http://shrani.si/f/3d/rx/32rRtF45/pa191341.jpg

This one seems to be Polish style.:D There is signed little border village Rajka instead of Bratislava which is right next to the village.

This one seems to be Polish style.:D There is signed little border village Rajka instead of Bratislava which is right next to the village.

all destinations are last places before borders here. and Rajka is popular border crossing :)

all destinations are last places before borders here. and Rajka is popular border crossing :)

Yes, but they have at least town status (although Kőszeg is pretty small town) and there are no bigger cities next to them. Rajka is village with 2,600 inhabitants.

There is signed little border village Rajka instead of Bratislava which is right next to the village.

We could have a sign for Bratislava in Slovenia. :) All we have is Lenti, which isn't very representative for that direction.

We could have a sign for Bratislava in Slovenia. :) All we have is Lenti, which isn't very representative for that direction.

Lenti sounds nicer than Bratislava.:D

Lenti sounds nicer than Bratislava.:D

they could have put Čunovo :D

they could have put Čunovo :D

That's part of Bratislava.;)

This one seems to be Polish style.:D There is signed little border village Rajka instead of Bratislava which is right next to the village.

It is an old sign, back then the distance to the border crossing was more important for a driver on an international road than the next bigger town, because the waiting times at the border were mostly unpredictable...

Letter "a" is written differently on older signs if you look closer :D

Why is the general speed-limit sign in so many different colors and sizes?

Come to Slovakia and you'll see many different signs and in many times chaotic signs.:lol: Let's have a look, it's still the same sign - gallery (http://img81.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=42883681.jpg&via=yfrog)

Come to Slovakia and you'll see many different signs and in many times chaotic signs.:lol: Let's have a look, it's still the same sign - gallery (http://img81.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=42883681.jpg&via=yfrog)

I don't consider the signs posted by you chaotic. IMO they are clear. Three are old-style, two are newer. But, the only difference is the newer ones contains also number of motorway in red rectangle (and of course they contain different destinations:D). The first one is actually not the same as the rest. While the rest is only announcing interchange, this one is right on the interchange and tells you which line you should use.

M43 (Szeged-Arad) overview map

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3199/m43atekintoterkep.th.jpg (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m43atekintoterkep.jpg)

M7 Kőröshegy
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0790.jpg

an east-german on a 3-lane motorway
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0795.jpg

an east-german on a 3-lane motorway
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0795.jpg

what does that sign with the 100, then 70, then nothing mean?

^^ Means you have to maintain a minimum speed of 100 and 70 km/h correspondingly.

^^
Minimal allowed speeds - you can't go slower than 100km/h / 70km/h on the left / middle lane.

EDIT: Oops, to late :)

nothing in this case means 60 (outside lane) since thats the absolute minimum on hw

http://vasnepe.hu/image.aspx?id=c01f5b47-cd81-43e1-a751-3b5a15d107a1&view=5B626BB8-2231-43C1-A462-0A830276682AM86
http://vasnepe.hu/image.aspx?id=325b0ea1-1b86-48cb-a8b8-c0f7fd3f188a&view=5B626BB8-2231-43C1-A462-0A830276682A

^^

well... i have doubts about this being considered an expressway.. :shifty:

^^ Why? It is like the M2 or the short M4...

M43 (Szeged-Arad) overview map

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3199/m43atekintoterkep.th.jpg (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m43atekintoterkep.jpg)

You mean M43 Szeged - Nagylak.
Anyways, somehow it seems to me that they exaggerated (a little bit) with the number of interchanges on this section...

You mean M43 Szeged - Nagylak.


no, i dont mean that


Anyways, somehow it seems to me that they exaggerated (a little bit) with the number of interchanges on this section...

no they havent, since a) szeged is/will be surrounded with industrial areas b) there is a bridge on the river which will replace a ferry service so the nearby villages will need the connection c) most of those places are small towns as opposed to villages, so they require the ramps

^^ Why? It is like the M2 or the short M4...

they will build 100s of kms of this, thats why i have a problem

M8, M4, M85, M86 will be build like this, and they will call them expressways, they are inferior to proper highways

I don't think this would be a problem. M30, M35, M3 after Görbeháza, M6 under Dunaújváros, M7 after the Balaton would be perfect like this section. If we reach 50-60 U a day then we should pave the emergency lanes (or when we reach this in 10 years time)...

This section was 700 million/km, Seleste bypass would be the same, M85 Enese bypass 800 million/km. The cheapest motorway section is 1,05 billion/km.
We can decide: the build 100 km of "autópálya" or build 130 km of 2*2 lane "autóút"?

You mentioned further the M44. A haven't read anywhere that will be an "autópálya".

emergency lane paving isnt the only difference, speed, cuvriture, gradients are also different

i like driving so yes, i'd rather see 100 kms of proper highways instead of 130 kms of this

[QUOTE=gramercy;38154934]no, i dont mean that

I was just trying to underline that the construction "M43 Szeged - Arad" is absurd, since the M43 is only the motorway number in Hungary, and last time I checked I believe Arad was in Romania, and the section Nadlac - Arad will be labeled as A1.
So if you weren't trying to say M43 Szeged - Nagylak, I don't think anyone can figure out what were you trying to.

http://www.nif.hu/hirek/260

6.3 kms of 2x(3+1) concrete section of the M0 will be constructed till the end of 2010 for 35 mio Eur
section between roads 51 and M5

Fron posted a nice long video about the new main road 86 bypass of Vát,future M86

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(Vát is near Szombathely)

nice video, crappy road, does not deserve to be called an expressway under any circumstances

there are two examples in this video of a potentially deadly scenario which could have been prevented by a paved emergency lane

and the inside lane is just too close to the mid-barrier


these types of roads are okay for short distances, like connecting smaller towns to the network

but this will be built for 100s of kms and be treated as a motorway

nice video, crappy road, does not deserve to be called an expressway under any circumstances

And where did you see "expressway" sign? I only saw a "main road" sign around 1:05. It is probably a 110 main road.

And where did you see "expressway" sign? I only saw a "main road" sign around 1:05. It is probably a 110 main road.

you did say it will be M86 did you not?


also, M4 and M85 and M8 and M10 will be like this to


regardless, i dont care what they "call it"

the fact of the matter is: hundreds of kms of this will be built and be used for decades as de-facto highways and expressways, definitely the part of the network that _should_ be built to proper highway standards

even if it only has a 'main road' plaque

Will be. But is not now. But the "M" designation doesnt mean anything now. "M0" is an "M" too...now "M" only means something like major road.

I like the road.

Finally they opened that bypass.

starting from the industrial back-end of tatabánya


they used to transport coal on those things:
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0946.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0948.jpg


western edge of tatabánya, where nr1 and M1 meet
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0950.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0952.jpg


a slice of america. a rather fattening slice, but still
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0954.jpg


approaching vértesszőlős
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0956.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0959.jpg


a horrific picture of a stadler flirt speeding
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0960.jpg


entering vértesszőlős
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0962.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0963.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0965.jpg


vértesszőlős itself, typical hungarian small village except the road is much better
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0967.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0970.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0973.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0974.jpg


leaving vértesszőlős
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0981.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0984.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0988.jpg


approaching Tata over the Budapest-Wien railroad
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0991.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0994.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0995.jpg


entering the ancient town of Tata
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1002.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1003.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1010.jpg

as you can see, they allow 60 kph within town here
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1013.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1017.jpg


glimpse of Tata lake
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1018.jpg


continuing through Tata
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1025.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1029.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1033.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1044.jpg

road with platanus trees
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1047.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1050.jpg


leaving Tata, once again over the railroad
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1059.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1067.jpg


on road 1, between Tata and Almásfüzitő
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1075.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1080.jpg


a very progressive approach: they allow over 90kph speeds on some good sections of main roads, a 100kph example
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1086.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1089.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1099.jpg


this bit of asphalt is at least 35 years old, its at the crossing of road 1 and 10
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1106.jpg


and this bit between Almásfüzitő and Komárom has been renewed a couple of days ago (still had the new asphalt smell!!)
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1110.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1113.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1116.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1119.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1126.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1134.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1139.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1144.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1149.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1151.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1154.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1160.jpg


crossing the Bp-Wien railroad again
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1164.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1165.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1166.jpg


approaching komárom
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1174.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1178.jpg

typical small town..
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1180.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1187.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1190.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1191.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1194.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1205.jpg


now this is a good example of hungarian corruption: how the HELL does something like this get an MOT, let alone a green card???
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1255.jpg


going toward ács
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1278.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1283.jpg


and once again the same railroad
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1290.jpg

another typical small town
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1293.jpg
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1297.jpg


and a typical small road....it wont break your car...not immediatly but over time......
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1300.jpg

continued
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=38429716&postcount=42

Quality of road is really different, sometimes very good and then very bad. What is the distance you covered on these pics?

Btw I like your car. What model is it?

thx

it was about 50 kms on the pix
honda civic :)

Main road with bike lane... Yumm!

Main road with bike lane... Yumm!

to be fair, that is the main road of Komárom-Szőny as well, so it is definitely needed

and, practically half of the length of main road 1 inside KEM county will be rerouted: 12 km ringroad around Tata+Vértesszőlős and ~15 km ringroad around Komárom+Szőny+Almásfüzitő ...they are both needed badly

makes me wonder why they opted for repaving the section inside Komárom as opposed to the ringroad between road10 and where the new bridge will be built...


also, the section between Tatabánya-Vértesszőlős-Tata NEEDS a f'in cycle/walkpath!!! its insane, 100.000 people within kms and there is no cycle path!!!

On my way to Miskolc, I made some pics of the u/c M3-M31 interchange...

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8070/p11706321.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/p11706321.jpg/)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6980/p11706331.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/p11706331.jpg/)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4157/p11706361.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/p11706361.jpg/)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5046/p11706371.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/p11706371.jpg/)

The Beauty... Half way to Miskolc...

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4045/p117063912.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/p117063912.jpg/)

Coming back from Miskolc on the boring M30...

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/98/p11706401.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/p11706401.jpg/)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5260/p11706411.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/p11706411.jpg/)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6053/p11706421.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/p11706421.jpg/)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6233/p11706431.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/p11706431.jpg/)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8171/p11706441.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/p11706441.jpg/)

You guys are always with me... :lol:

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2415/p11706281.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/p11706281.jpg/)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4870/p11706451.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/p11706451.jpg/)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4870/p11706451.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/p11706451.jpg/)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3747/p11706461.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/p11706461.jpg/)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2558/p11706481.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/p11706481.jpg/)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/416/p11706491.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/p11706491.jpg/)

Leaving M30, entering M3...

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7363/p11706501.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/p11706501.jpg/)

Sorry for the photo quality... I should have cleaned the windscreen...

starting from the industrial back-end of tatabánya
...
and a typical small road....it wont break your car...not immediatly but over time......


Very nice and informative post!
Keep bringing these on... especially if on regional or local roads!

Coming back from Miskolc on the boring M30...


:)
Do you ever have to overtake on the M30... by going with a speed below 160 kmph?

And like what is the AADT on that road? 3000? :P

a slice of america. a rather fattening slice, but still
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0954.jpg






a slice of Russia
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/0950.jpg

a slice of UK
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1029.jpg

a slice of Germany
http://sunflowerdesigns.hu/tmp/fotohost/1086.jpg

:)

Credit to toomee!

http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/toomee78/Kaposvar%20elkerulo/Kp062.jpg
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http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/toomee78/Kaposvar%20elkerulo/Kp072.jpg
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http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/toomee78/Kaposvar%20elkerulo/Kp083.jpg
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/toomee78/Kaposvar%20elkerulo/Kp085.jpg
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/toomee78/Kaposvar%20elkerulo/Kp086.jpg

what is general speed limit at Kaposvár bypass?

:)
Do you ever have to overtake on the M30... by going with a speed below 160 kmph?

And like what is the AADT on that road? 3000? :P

10000 vehicle (14000 unit) a day.

what is general speed limit at Kaposvár bypass?

This is an expressway so the general speed limit is 110km/h except this (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=46.397102,17.780836&spn=0.010418,0.019312&t=h&z=16) roundabout. Which will be upgraded to a full IC at the consctruction of Kaposfüred bypass which is U/C, and it will be open in 2010 Q4.

and what is situation with M9 - when could we expect some works on it? and what is the plan - will it go more to west from Kaposvár, maybe to Nagykanizsa? or to south to Barcs?

dont let this map fool you, the segments of m9 will be half profile, not full profile, but these are expected until 2013
http://www.sunflowerdesigns.hu/test/terv.jpg

and what is situation with M9 - when could we expect some works on it? and what is the plan - will it go more to west from Kaposvár, maybe to Nagykanizsa? or to south to Barcs?

Now the section between main road 51 and main road 54 is tendered to construction and the section between Kaposvár and Szekszárd is tendered to planning.

In far future it will go from Kaposvár to Nagykanizsa, Zalaegerszeg, Vasvár, A Border. (Proposed hungarian road-system in 2034 (http://roads.extra.hu/road_plans/mo_gyf_2034_fomterv.jpg))

^^ when done Hungary will have dense complete network (even today network is very good)
congratulations

there is room for improvement, believe me
not to mention the traditional main road network (ring roads!, we lack at least 500 o them) and the small roads

http://www.kti.hu/uploads/images/Trendek/Masodik/2-150.jpg

http://www.kti.hu/uploads/images/Trendek/Masodik/2-164.jpg

Oh Yeah
http://viharles.nae.hu/galeri%20kepek/Viharok/20090616/20090616,004kicsi.jpg

Letenye :)

This is an expressway so the general speed limit is 110km/h
Pretty much for those single carriageway no shoulder sections. IMO this shouldn't be signed as epressway (or should have 90 km/h speed limit on single- and 100 km/h on dual- carriageway).

Oh Yeah
http://viharles.nae.hu/galeri%20kepek/Viharok/20090616/20090616,004kicsi.jpg

Letenye :)

Wow. Was the picture taken recently? There was a heavy storm in NE Slovenia, which caused severe damage. I'd turn for Zagreb here, rather than Ljubljana.

its a so-called supercell, which occurs ~100 times yearly in hungary

http://www.kti.hu/uploads/images/Trendek/Masodik/2-164.jpg

I think the 2007-2013 construction period (includiing PPP) will delete tte purpule from this map.

I took some pictures on M9 expressway and a graphic electric sign from M0 south section. Sorry for the quality, but the weather was awful.

http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/toomee78/M9%20autout/P1030594.jpg
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/toomee78/M9%20autout/P1030595.jpg
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/toomee78/M9%20autout/P1030597.jpg
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/toomee78/M9%20autout/P1030598.jpg

M9-M6 junction
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/toomee78/M9%20autout/P1030601.jpg
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/toomee78/M9%20autout/P1030602.jpg
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/toomee78/M9%20autout/P1030607.jpg
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/toomee78/M9%20autout/P1030608.jpg


http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/toomee78/M9%20autout/P1030611.jpg
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/toomee78/M9%20autout/P1030617.jpg

Szent László bridge
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/toomee78/M9%20autout/P1030637.jpg
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/toomee78/M9%20autout/P1030638.jpg

The end of the road
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/toomee78/M9%20autout/P1030641.jpg

And an electric sign from M0 south expressway
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/toomee78/VMS%20Hungary/P1030643.jpg

Guys, I drove through Hungary last weekend. M7 is nice, I think that Czech construction companies should go and see that road to take some lessons. Few questions:

1) what is the M0 construction schedule?
2) is M2 going to be extended to a regular 2x2 highway in future?
3) any shortcut between M7 and M2? I spent an hour trying to find my way thorough Budapest (having neither map nor navigation). It was pretty easy as the marking is nice but the way took too long.
4) do all new highways in Hungary have asphalt pavement? How about the quality? My experience from Czech is that asphalt pavement is much more smooth BUT requires repavement after 10 years.

Ehm, you can just follow M0 all the way to M2, right? You don't even need to get through Budapest anymore...

1) The southern sector will be upgraded to 2*3 lanes (like around the M6). Construction will start this year.
2) Yes, but I don't know when.
3) Someone else would tell this... :) Use M0. Longer, but easier...:)
4) Only M0 has concrete pavement, others has asphalt. The highways are well cared, but the major and minor roads... :ohno:

Hey.. are you trying to tell me that M0 is finished between M7 and M2??? Google says something different!

1) what is the M0 construction schedule?

M0 from M1 until main road 11 via M7,M6,M5,M4,M3 and M2 is ready.

2) is M2 going to be extended to a regular 2x2 highway in future?

Probably,it has high traffic in rush hour.

3) any shortcut between M7 and M2? I spent an hour trying to find my way thorough Budapest (having neither map nor navigation). It was pretty easy as the marking is nice but the way took too long.

Well,M0,though its not a "short"cut. The shortest probably is straight on M7 until the overpass start in the city,there dont take the overpass. Go straight all the way to Moszkva square,there follow the many cars up the hill,you will arrive at Margit bridge. Left at the first major junction(where the crossing overpass is),and straight until M0.

I would be straight until the major junction then left,in short,but I suspect that wouldnt help.

4) do all new highways in Hungary have asphalt pavement? How about the quality? My experience from Czech is that asphalt pavement is much more smooth BUT requires repavement after 10 years.

M0 east and north have concrete,and M0 south will have concrete too.

Hey.. are you trying to tell me that M0 is finished between M7 and M2??? Google says something different!

Have a look:
http://www.motorway.hu/engine.aspx?page=MOTORWAYS

Have a look:
http://www.motorway.hu/engine.aspx?page=MOTORWAYS

:bash::bash: OMG when the hell did this happen?? Both google maps and czech mapy.cz are outdated...

:bash::bash: OMG when the hell did this happen?? Both google maps and czech mapy.cz are outdated...

Last september.

Hey.. are you trying to tell me that M0 is finished between M7 and M2??? Google says something different!

Google is perfectly outdated. :(

Some nice aerial pic by NIF about M43(247 pics in the gallery!)

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5945/p1070609.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3883/p1070713.jpg

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/6091/p1070804.jpg

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1356/p1070858.jpg
(nif.hu (http://www.nif.hu/multimedia/gallery/812))

And some nice pics from M6,including a completed tunnel.
http://www.teol.hu/galerialp/30620

Some nice aerial pic by NIF about M43(247 pics in the gallery!)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3883/p1070713.jpg


Check out that plot of land right past the bridge where no earthworks have been performed. Could it be because no land acquisition has taken place on that plot?

its probably because of some gas pipeline

its probably because of some gas pipeline

You're right!
If there's something more dreadful to motorway construction than expropriation, it must be utility relocation :P

But here it seems to be the case of a whole plot of land, and not that pertaining to an underground utility.

M1 motorway

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9482/img14632k.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/img14632k.jpg/)

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/3923/img14672kf.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/img14672kf.jpg/)

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6960/img14692k.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/i/img14692k.jpg/)

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9803/img14712k.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/img14712k.jpg/)

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/5006/img14842k.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/img14842k.jpg/)

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/8504/img14872k.jpg (http://img387.imageshack.us/i/img14872k.jpg/)

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/3284/img14902k.jpg (http://img387.imageshack.us/i/img14902k.jpg/)

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3053/img14912k.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/i/img14912k.jpg/)

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/2638/img14932k.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/img14932k.jpg/)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8994/img14942k.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/i/img14942k.jpg/)

M30 motorway

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9258/img14952k.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/img14952k.jpg/)

Miskolc

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/1105/img15022k.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/img15022k.jpg/)

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/3795/img15032k.jpg (http://img387.imageshack.us/i/img15032k.jpg/)

Lillafüred

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7144/img15382k.jpg (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/img15382k.jpg/)

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/8781/img15412k.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/img15412k.jpg/)

Somewhere between Lillafüred and Aggtelek :)

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/9643/img15602k.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/i/img15602k.jpg/)

Ragály

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/6231/img15672k.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/i/img15672k.jpg/)

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/3434/img15692k.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/img15692k.jpg/)

Road nr 27

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9732/img19102k.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/img19102k.jpg/)

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/8720/img20222k.jpg (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/img20222k.jpg/)

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/254/img20252k.jpg (http://img387.imageshack.us/i/img20252k.jpg/)

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/5940/img20322k.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/img20322k.jpg/)

1 picture from Slovakia :)

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/175/img20192k.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/i/img20192k.jpg/)

Great trip. It seems you even visited Slovakia:)

Nice :) Kassa = Kosice.. Good that they say that, because otherwise nobody would've known.. :D

Some pretty idyllic small town landscapes there :) .

For reasons I cant put my finger on, some of the images remind me of countryside photos I have seen from America :S .

Great trip. It seems you even visited Slovakia:)


Only the last picture was taken in slovakia :)

Only the last picture was taken in slovakia :)

That was clear to me, of course:)

I made a exclusive picture for Verso. :D :) Ljubljana is signed on 86 just after Mosonmagyaróvár exit from M1.
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_3446.jpg

M86 - Vát bypass

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/vat.jpg

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_3448.jpg

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_3449.jpg

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http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_3455.jpg

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_3456.jpg

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_3457.jpg

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_3458.jpg

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q420/Ripley9895/IMG_3459.jpg

Great stuff! :)

Over here you see these gravel roadsides as well.

I made a exclusive picture for Verso. :D :) Ljubljana is signed on 86 just after Mosonmagyaróvár exit from M1.

Holy fuck! :D I'd never go from Mosonmagyaróvár to Ljubljana here though, but through Austria. They could sign Lend(a)va, but it's so small. As for E65, it doesn't run through Slovenia (Rédics), but avoids it over Zalaegerszeg and Nagykanizsa.

Aren't these short 2x2 section at crossings considered dangereous? Here we try to avoid such situations.

Is it autout that road ?

Is it autout that road ?No, it's half-autoput. :D

Can anyone please make an english translation / explanation of the various Hungarian terms defining high speed roads? Also, placing an emphasis on what of the lower class types can be later transformed into motorways?
Ideally, if examples (or whole lists of given types - existing and planned in the medium term future) could be given, it would be great :)

There are 2:
Autópálya - motorway
Autóút - expressway
There is a common term for them,meaning,as you put it,high speed road - gyorsforgalmi út
Thats all.

There is no distinction between main roads with different speed limits.

Transformation of one into an other simply depends on technological details,like curve radiuses,gradients,etc. Both motorway and expressway have clear standards.

Aren't these short 2x2 section at crossings considered dangereous?

Why?

I heard a theory that people start to overtake like crazy and sometimes don't finish before the end of 2x2 section.

Those sections aren't so short (usually ~2 km) and traffic is usually light, especially if you have these sections every 5 km, not so much traffic can accumulate behind a slow vehicle.

Actually these new roads are the first ones where the inner lane disappears,not the outer. First was M0 east. Big leap forward towards safety.

Is M4 near Budapest motorway or expressway ?

Both motorway and expressway have clear standards.

Tell me what are the "clear" standards of the expressways?
Motorways are obviously build by the TEM standards (with more or less local modifications). But for expressways (as in autout, not as in the Eastern US meaning) there is no standard. I would appreciate if one could link to such a document.

Expressway,where it exists.

Tell me what are the "clear" standards of the expressways?
Motorways are obviously build by the TEM standards (with more or less local modifications). But for expressways (as in autout, not as in the Eastern US meaning) there is no standard. I would appreciate if one could link to such a document.

AFAIK, the only standards are that expressways are grade-separated and do not pass through towns. I think most of them usually have 1+1 lanes like normal national roads, but there are also sections with 2+2, like M0 south and a short section of M2 in direction Vác.

Tell me what are the "clear" standards of the expressways?
Motorways are obviously build by the TEM standards (with more or less local modifications). But for expressways (as in autout, not as in the Eastern US meaning) there is no standard. I would appreciate if one could link to such a document.

Of course there is! Expressway means max 110,so the road must be able to support it.This means sufficiently smooth curves and gradient.

I cant provide sources,sorry.

Aren't these short 2x2 section at crossings considered dangereous? Here we try to avoid such situations.

This short section will be the future M86 (from Szombathely to Csorna). The Szeleste-Pósfa bypass is under construction (as far as I know), the uprage tender of Road 86 between Szombathely and Vát bypass is out.

I have some photos of main (and other) state roads /offtopic but perhaps anyone interested :|/

No. 2
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384541.jpg#3

IC of 2 - M2 - 12 (Vác-North)
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384542.jpg#3

No. 5 at Röszke (SRB border)
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384543.jpg#3

No. 5 between Röszke and Szeged (not closed :) )
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384544.jpg#3

No. 5 between Röszke and Szeged at the kayak-canoe center (world championships were held in 1998 and 2006) (not E75 already, the parallel M5 is)
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384545.jpg#3

Roundabout of 5 and 502 (5 Szeged bypass)
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384546.jpg#3

Entering 502 from south
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384680.jpg#3

Roundabout of 502 and 55
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384694.jpg#3

502 between 55 and Kiskundorozsma (R=750 m)
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384696.jpg#3

Temporary ending of 502 at Kiskundorozsma (state road 5408) but you can see the embankment of the future road at the background
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384699.jpg#3

No. 7 at Balatonszárszó heading east
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384547.jpg#3

No. 7 btween Balatonszárszó and Balatonföldvár (2x2 lanes ~10 km)
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384865.jpg#3

No. 21 at about Pásztó
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384641.jpg#3

No. 21 2x2 also at about Pásztó
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384639.jpg#3

No. 21 at the south of Salgótarján
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384643.jpg#3

No. 25 between Kerecsend and Eger
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384646.jpg#3

No. 45 Szentes - Hódmezővásárhely
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384647.jpg#3

also
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384648.jpg#3

detto
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384660.jpg#3

No. 47 Algyő - Hódmezővásárhely
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384661.jpg#3

No. 47 Algyő - Szeged
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384662.jpg#3

No. 55 Leaving Szeged (2 km)
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384665.jpg#3

No. 55 IC of M5 near Domaszék (Szeged-West) (7 km)
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384667.jpg#3

No. 55 near Domaszék (11 km)
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384669.jpg#3

No. 55 between Domaszék and Mórahalom (with bike track) (15 km)
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384673.jpg#3

No. 55 in Mórahalom (20 km)
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384674.jpg#3

No. 55 between Ásotthalom and Tompa (37 km)
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384664.jpg#3

part 2

No. 61 between Kaposvár and Nagybajom /it means "my big problem" :)/ (I don't know if the border line still broken, it was a speciality of Somogy county, No. 7 had also sections with broken border line)
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384675.jpg#3

No. 66 no comment
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384676.jpg#3

No. 66
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384677.jpg#3

No. 66
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384678.jpg#3

No. 66
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384679.jpg#3

state "connection road" 4413 at Nagyfa (Csongrád county)
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384700.jpg#3

road 4418 (Hódmezővásárhely - Kardoskút) at the Csongrád county - Békés county border (width 4 m)
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384701.jpg#3

4418 again at the county border bridge
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384703.jpg#3

road 4502 between Csongrád and Bokros
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384721.jpg#3

road 4521 Szegvár - Mindszent
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384722.jpg#3

road 4521 and railway No. 130
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384723.jpg#3

road 4521 with the "bus stop" from the previous photo
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384724.jpg#3

road 5405 (future Szeged-Soltvadkert main road 531(?)) between Forráskút and Csólyospálos before reconstruction in 2004
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384725.jpg#3

again
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384727.jpg#3

again at Forráskút
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384726.jpg#3

5405 at Forráskút after reconstruction in 2006
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384728.jpg#3

again
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384729.jpg#3

again
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384730.jpg#3

and again
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384734.jpg#3

5405 at the end of the reconstructed section at the county border (width 7,50 m -> 6,00 m)
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384735.jpg#3

road 5512 between Röszke and Mórahalom (at Nagy Széksós lake nature reserve)
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384736.jpg#3

5512 again
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384738.jpg#3

5512 - M5 IC ahead
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384739.jpg#3

non-Great Plain road (sorry but I live in Szeged :) ) 2122 Nagylóc-Felsőtold
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384740.jpg#3

and the last one in part 2: 5302 between Fülöpjakab and Jakabszállás just before storm
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384742.jpg#3

Nice pics. Some of them feel like the Midwest, well Hungary is probably the Midwest of Europe :)

part 2

No. 61 between Kaposvár and Nagybajom /it means "my big problem" :)/ (I don't know if the border line still broken, it was a speciality of Somogy county, No. 7 had also sections with broken border line)
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384675.jpg


so it is specialty of Somogy county. i remember that those appeared somewhere in late 90es there. are they still doing tham in that way or new are again solid?

Nice pics. Some of them feel like the Midwest, well Hungary is probably the Midwest of Europe :)

Indeed :)

Clear difference before and after reconstruction. Will they eventually do the whole road?

Nice pics of the route 66. ;)

Nice pics. Some of them feel like the Midwest, well Hungary is probably the Midwest of Europe :)
Indeed, just change the signs and repaint the white lines in the middle to yellow and that 'No. 66' road could be a county or local road here in northeast Wisconsin.

:cheers1:

Anyways, for the smaller countries, I would say that coverage all roads should be welcome in their road threads (although I do think that there should be a German non-autobahn road thread, too!). I like seeing these places at the ground level!

:yes:

Mike

Indeed :)

Clear difference before and after reconstruction. Will they eventually do the whole road?

In about the year 2400 :ohno: Only a 3,5 km section was reconstructed. The plans are existing but very little money spent on non-motorway roads nowadays (never was).

By the way there are some other low class connection roads in Hungary with main road charasterictics. These I know:

6604 Pécs-Abaliget (rallye track, that's why)
4428 Orosháza-Battonya (future 451 main road)
3313 Tiszaújváros-M3 motorway (to connect the city)
7459 Szentgotthárd-main road 8 (also)

In about the year 2400 :ohno: Only a 3,5 km section was reconstructed. The plans are existing but very little money spent on non-motorway roads nowadays (never was).

Today I drove towards a village (the only connecting road). My father said it was laid at least 50 years ago, he remembers it from his childhood.

Its bumpy, full of fixed potholes and new ones forming. Max speed is 60-70ish kph. For kms.

What kind of pillars (széljelző oszlop) are by the road on this picture? I've never seen them before.

http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384646.jpg#3

Not much, since I've already documented and photographed almost all of Hungary's motorways and highways in the past...

On my way to Dunakeszi... :D

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9973/p11707041s.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/i/p11707041s.jpg/)

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8845/p11707051.jpg (http://img36.imageshack.us/i/p11707051.jpg/)

A little bit of M2...

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8615/p11707081.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/i/p11707081.jpg/)

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/4848/p11707091.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/p11707091.jpg/)

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4390/p11707131.jpg (http://img523.imageshack.us/i/p11707131.jpg/)

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/7979/p11707141.jpg (http://img107.imageshack.us/i/p11707141.jpg/)

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1337/p11707151.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/i/p11707151.jpg/)

A bomber Mercedes ;)

What a plate 'STUKA' :D

Anyway, this road look dangerous with a barrier

Although new Hungarian motorways look awesome, it's nice to see some ordinary countryside roads too. Good job Atza :okay:


BTW why these in the middle of the road :?
5405 at Forráskút after reconstruction in 2006
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384728.jpg#3

again
http://img3.tar.hu/atza/img/38384729.jpg#3

To slow down traffic.

We copied them from the austrians,they are meant to slow down the traffic. The first at a pedestrian crossing,the second when entering a settlement.

These are present also in Romania on the sections rehabilitated recently (for example Brasov-Sibiu section)

They are called a traffic island. They are meant to accentuate the urban limits, and to slow down traffic as a part of traffic calming. These are not too bad though, I've seen much worse in NL where trucks have to slow down to 30 - 40 km/h to pass through them.

I like pictures from M2 :) Always was curious 'what this road is like' :D

M2 is the future of hungarian HW construction :(

'tesco value' :(

Quality of our main road network sucks... Took a little trip again on M5-Main road 52-Main road 51-M8-M6-M0...

It again shocked me how poor our mainroad network's quality in the heart of the country is... :ohno:

M5 ok... Mild traffic...

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9374/p11707351.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/p11707351.jpg/)

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2716/p11707361.jpg (http://img513.imageshack.us/i/p11707361.jpg/)

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1316/p11707371.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/p11707371.jpg/)

Main road 52...

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/3055/p11707391.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/p11707391.jpg/)

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2639/p11707401.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/p11707401.jpg/)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3820/p11707411.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/p11707411.jpg/)

Other roads are even worse...

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7516/p11707471.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/p11707471.jpg/)

Heading north on Main road 51...

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/7527/p11707631.jpg (http://img129.imageshack.us/i/p11707631.jpg/)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5424/p11707641.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/p11707641.jpg/)

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6299/p11707651.jpg (http://img139.imageshack.us/i/p11707651.jpg/)

I just love overtaking trucks on narrow roads... :D

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/779/p11707671.jpg (http://img129.imageshack.us/i/p11707671.jpg/)

Freight traffic is huge...

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8084/p11707681.jpg (http://img513.imageshack.us/i/p11707681.jpg/)

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/42/p11707691.jpg (http://img129.imageshack.us/i/p11707691.jpg/)

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9676/p11707701.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/p11707701.jpg/)

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/4842/p11707711.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/p11707711.jpg/)

Entering M8...

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8073/p11707731.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/p11707731.jpg/)

Were those some kind of less importance national roads ?

Were those some kind of less importance national roads ?

No. But it is true we have main roads in much better condition... I wouldn't say that this is the average either...

Pics you have seen a thousand times... M8, Penetle-bridge, M6...

Part I.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2754/p11707741.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/p11707741.jpg/)

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7904/p11707751.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/i/p11707751.jpg/)

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5465/p11707761.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/i/p11707761.jpg/)

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8186/p11707781.jpg (http://img36.imageshack.us/i/p11707781.jpg/)

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8659/p11707771.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/i/p11707771.jpg/)

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1184/p11707791.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/i/p11707791.jpg/)

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1940/p11707801.jpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/i/p11707801.jpg/)

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6943/p11707811.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/i/p11707811.jpg/)

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/8849/p11707821s.jpg (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/p11707821s.jpg/)

M8 just after the Pentele-(M8)-bridge...

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/1313/p11707831.jpg (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/p11707831.jpg/)

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/331/p11707851.jpg (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/p11707851.jpg/)

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/6246/p11707861.jpg (http://img195.imageshack.us/i/p11707861.jpg/)

Leaving (end of) M8...

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/1568/p11707871.jpg (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/p11707871.jpg/)

Incerdeibly boring M6...

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8099/p11707881.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/i/p11707881.jpg/)

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3798/p11707911.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/i/p11707911.jpg/)

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8162/p11707921.jpg (http://img36.imageshack.us/i/p11707921.jpg/)

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/2254/p11707931.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/p11707931.jpg/)

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/2685/p11707941.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/p11707941.jpg/)

Although new Hungarian motorways look awesome, it's nice to see some ordinary countryside roads too. Good job Atza :okay:

thx

Hungary has the best road signs I have ever seen, together with Slovakia. Nice roads!:)

M6 looks a bit boring to be honest

Good too see there on M8, M6 is mentioned quite often :D M8 more or less leads to nowhere ;)

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9374/p11707351.jpg
This sign resembles this:
http://blog.kievukraine.info/469.jpg
:D Too many.

If you are quick and know hungarian network then it's pretty easy to understand stuff on this sign

Yeah, quite Spanish-like but still somewhat clearer... at least the fonts are all the same size :D .

This country signs reminds me of Austrian mess...

It's kind of funny to see all those 'UA' ovals, while I wonder how many Hungarian forumers have been to Ukraine, even just across the border.

It's kind of funny to see all those 'UA' ovals, while I wonder how many Hungarian forumers have been to Ukraine, even just across the border.

I know of at least 1.