Ángeles and San Fernando Cities, and Pampanga Province [Archive] - Page 41

mnemonick

July 22nd, 2012, 08:22 AM

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Anyway, did I read/understand this right? Ayala has invested in Porac?? :banana: Porac should step up as well! It can be highly progressive if it wants to... It can even become a city! Konting pagpaparami na lang sa populasyon :lol: Porac has the biggest territory in Pampanga, massive lands, nature and ecotourism, extensive agriculture, and quarrying. Not to mention, Porac is technically also a town next to Clark. In fact, portions of Porac are included in the Clark Special Economic Zone (not Freeport Zone). Oh, and it has an SCTEx exit. It also helps that some barangays of Porac benefit from the economic spill from Angeles.

At ngayon, magkakaroon na ito ng Tertiary Education for the first time in its history (DHVTSU in Brgy. Pio).

Wow naman ayos, may Ayala sa Porac, ito siguro yung Fiesta Mall na ilalagay or baka Amaia nanaman to gaya ng sa Magalang, either way, its a welcome investment

O/T: My mom always speaks with Ms. Ana Datu! Maybe next time I can ask her a thing or two about the expansion! :banana:

Wow, hope she could ask for some details like if its true that they're building a bowling alley there, among other things....

more like panlima po, according to NEDA

pang-apat muna yung Metro Cagayan De Oro bago Metro Angeles.

kaso 2007 pa yun, baka may nagbago na, di natin alam.

One thing is for sure tho, Metro Clark (Angeles, Clark, Mabalacat) is already 3rd behind Metro Manila and Metro Cebu when it comes to IT-BPO sites as of 2010

Established IT-BPO Sites (http://www.sm-land.com/cpg/?p=1714)

Perseus II

July 22nd, 2012, 09:45 AM

Porac should step up as well! It can be highly progressive if it wants to... It can even become a city! Konting pagpaparami na lang sa populasyon :lol: Porac has the biggest territory in Pampanga, massive lands, nature and ecotourism, extensive agriculture, and quarrying. Not to mention, Porac is technically also a town next to Clark. In fact, portions of Porac are included in the Clark Special Economic Zone (not Freeport Zone). Oh, and it has an SCTEx exit. It also helps that some barangays of Porac benefit from the economic spill from Angeles.

CLARK Airbase proper is a Freeport Zone. It was formerly a Special Economic Zone and doesn't enjoy the same status as Subic.

But by virtue of Republic Act 9400, signed by President Arroyo in 2007, the economic zone was elevated into a FREEPORT ZONE.

an excerpt of which is as follows...

Sec. 2. Sec. 15 of the Republic Act No. 7227, as amended, is hereby amended to read as follows:

"Sec. 15. Clark Special Economic Zone (CSEZ) and Clark Freeport Zone (CFZ). Subject to the concurrence by resolution of the local government units directly affected, the President is hereby authorized to create by executive proclamation a Special Economic Zone covering the lands occupied by the Clark military reservations and its contiguous extensions as embraced, covered and defined by the 1947 Military Bases Agreement between the Philippines and the United States of America, as amended, located within the territorial jurisdiction of Angeles City, municipalities of Mabalacat and Porac, Province of Pampanga, and the municipalities of Capas and Bamban, Province of Tarlac, in accordance with the provision as herein provided insofar as applied to the Clark military reservations. The Clark Air Base proper with an area of not more than four thousand four hundred hectares (4,400 has.), with the exception of the twenty-twohectare commercial area situated near the main gate and the Bayanihan Park consisting of seven and a half hectares (7.5 has.) located outside the main gate of the Clark Special Economic Zone, is hereby declared a Freeport zone.

Perseus II

July 22nd, 2012, 09:54 AM

@sisigman, those land areas outside the clark airbase proper are the ones assigned as special economic zone? :)

mnemonick

July 22nd, 2012, 10:00 AM

^^ Actually, based on your link, Clark Freeport Zone is the Former Clark Air Base Proper. It is now converted to the Clark Freeport Zone (Main Zone - The fenced part of Clark including the Main Gate)....While there's still a Sub Zone that extends to Porac, Bamban and Capas.

The Master Plan for the 4,400-hectare main zone and 27,600-hectare sub zone will transform the zone into an airport-driven urban center perfect for the requirements of high-end IT enabled industries, aviation and logistics related enterprises, tourism and other sectors.
http://www.clark.com.ph/?module=Advantage

Perseus II

July 22nd, 2012, 10:04 AM

^^ Actually, based on your link, Clark Freeport Zone is the Former Clark Air Base Proper. It is now converted to the Clark Freeport Zone (Main Zone - The fenced part of Clark including the Main Gate)....While there's still a Sub Zone that extends to Porac, Bamban and Capas.

OO nga sir, bale yung naconvert lang into a freeport zone is the Clark Airbase proper? Yung mga parts na nasa Porac, Capas, Bamban, Mabalacat etc.. are part of the SEZ? :)

mnemonick

July 22nd, 2012, 10:09 AM

^^ Yup, yung former base ng mga Americano. and Yup, part parin ng Clark Special Economic Zone yung nasa labas ng bakod tho hindi sila Freeport Zone

Perseus II

July 22nd, 2012, 10:11 AM

so bale bukas sir si mayor Morales will get to finally render his speech as Mabalacat City Mayor? :)

mnemonick

July 22nd, 2012, 10:12 AM

hehehehe, oo, tagal na nyang pinagpraktisan yun, sa sobrang excited siguro sa speech nya sa Lunes, baka bangungutin or atakihin a yun :lol: .... :jk:

Perseus II

July 22nd, 2012, 10:20 AM

hehehehe, oo, tagal na nyang pinagpraktisan yun, sa sobrang excited siguro sa speech nya sa Lunes, baka bangungutin or atakihin a yun :lol: .... :jk:

LOL :lol: Pero talagang all-out campaign talaga ang ginawa nya kasi madalas sa SM Clark present sya sa mga events ng Mabalacat :)

Perseus II

July 22nd, 2012, 10:21 AM

3 na city sa Pampanga :banana:

librero

July 22nd, 2012, 10:30 AM

Tuwang tuwa si Mayor ng Mabalacat ngayon... And I think, karamihan din sa mga Mabalaqueons... lalo na yung mga bumoto ng YES... Congratz! :)

mnemonick

July 22nd, 2012, 10:43 AM

The Road widening that's happening in Mabiga right now is part of the DPWH Improvement/ Widening of Mc Arthur Highway (Manila North Road) Angeles - Mabalacat Section,Pampanga

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/391659_412867898777110_1634104042_n.jpg

I wonder kung naumpisahan na rin to sa Angeles or they'll start at Mabalacat first down to Angeles

TheJMP617

July 22nd, 2012, 11:40 AM

^^ I personally don't think the widening is needed in Mabiga as of now. Anyways, it never actually gets traffic there except that time when I got late for school because of the motorcade.

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Water was as high as half of a tricycle wheel a while ago in Mt. View and Don Bonifacio!

mnemonick

July 22nd, 2012, 12:03 PM

^^ Yeah, that road widening in Mabiga is kinda useless, i think they started the widening there because its the most convenient part of the Hi way to start, less establishments, less headache, they could've started in Mabalacat Proper where traffic is hell every rush hour :ohno::ohno::ohno:

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TheJMP617

July 22nd, 2012, 12:11 PM

The City of Mabalacat

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/486523_3447791198485_144442872_n.jpg
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Well, well, well, look what I caught! These two policemen need to learn about LEADERSHIP!:bash::ohno::bash::ohno::bash::ohno:

The Mandatory Helmet Act may have been signed into law in March 2010, but it apparently is only going into effect by August 1, 2012.

Under the law, motorcycle riders and their passengers are required to wear standard protective helmets "while driving motorcycles, whether on long or short drives, at any time of the day, on any type of road and highway." The law also only exempts tricycle drivers from wearing the protective headgear.

Helmet Law to take effect August 1 (http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/helmet-law-to-take-effect-august-1)
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/483343_3447794558569_377696495_n.jpg
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I personally prefer "City of Mabalacat" than "Mabalacat City". :nuts:

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Balibago, Angeles City

I guess tomorrow when I pass here, it's gonna be another slalom course because of today's massive rain shower. :bash::bash:
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/179557_3447795318588_985784225_n.jpg

The upper floors will be housing a hotel! :lol::lol:
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/314049_3447795798600_1803493243_n.jpg

TheJMP617

July 22nd, 2012, 12:14 PM

^^ Yeah, that road widening in Mabiga is kinda useless, i think they started the widening there because its the most convenient part of the Hi way to start, less establishments, less headache, they could've started in Mabalacat Proper where traffic is hell every rush hour :ohno::ohno::ohno:

Don't forget what happened with the road widening in Dau! It was also useless. Instead, it is being used as a parking space and across McDonald's Dau, a "tiangge".:ohno:

sisigman

July 22nd, 2012, 12:22 PM

OO nga sir, bale yung naconvert lang into a freeport zone is the Clark Airbase proper? Yung mga parts na nasa Porac, Capas, Bamban, Mabalacat etc.. are part of the SEZ? :)

On the contrary, around 95% of Clark Freeport is inside Mabalacat territory. The 5% left is in Angeles most probably. Hence, Boking's proud claim of Mabalacat being the Home of the Clark Freeport Zone.

The rest of the CSEZ is distributed to Angeles, Mabalacat, Porac, Bamban, Capas.

mnemonick

July 22nd, 2012, 12:25 PM

@JMP you can see those kind of cops everywhere in the Philippines, very third world....

I kinda liked the structure of that new building when I saw it last time. And that green facade is refreshing...

In front of Jollibee Jenra as well, that extra lane is infested with sidewalk vendors when it could've been used by the cars coming from the Expressway to ease the congestion there :bash:

sisigman

July 22nd, 2012, 12:26 PM

Megaohm

July 22nd, 2012, 02:35 PM

Kailangan bang lagi naka paskil mukha ni Mayor sa Mabalacat?

TheJMP617

July 22nd, 2012, 02:39 PM

Kailangan bang lagi naka paskil mukha ni Mayor sa Mabalacat?

Well, his face is everywhere in Mabalacat. :bash::bash:

Perseus II

July 22nd, 2012, 02:42 PM

medyo bahain ang Henson St. sa Angeles kapag tag-ulan, banda Pampang/LNW area... sana tugunan. this is my first time to use the video function of my new cellphone and post it online! haha

7d7K2WXvCUU

matagal na yan :ohno: It's been a perennial sight every time.

Yan din ang hindi ko maintindihan bakit hindi magawan ng paraan :ohno:

TheJMP617

July 22nd, 2012, 02:43 PM

matagal na yan :ohno: It's been a perrenial sight every time.

Yan din ang hindi ko maintindihan bakit hindi magawan ng paraan :ohno:

Same with A.Gueco Avenue. :ohno:

Perseus II

July 22nd, 2012, 02:46 PM

Alam nyo yung mga nagtitinda ng lugaw at goto bago ka makarating ng Sandra Mall... yung basura nung mga nagtitinda ay inihuhulog lang dun sa drainage :ohno:

Yes, yung mga lugawan at gotohan pagkatapos ng tulay na katabi ng Angeles City Fire Station...:ohno:

solll

July 22nd, 2012, 02:49 PM

Hi there! From what I recall, the widening in Mabiga will be the start of several infrastructure upgrades in the vicinity. Foremost, it will be in preparation for the multi-modal terminal that will be constructed approximating the great influx of passenger and private vehicles in the area. These, among others (such as the tiangge complex) are what Barangay Mabiga is being prepared for :)

^^ I personally don't think the widening is needed in Mabiga as of now. Anyways, it never actually gets traffic there except that time when I got late for school because of the motorcade.

solll

July 22nd, 2012, 03:19 PM

Here's the rappler article on yesterday's voting. :)

Mabalacat now officially Pampanga's 3rd city
By REYNALDO SANTOS, JR.

MANILA, Philippines - The town of Mabalacat is now the 3rd city in Pampanga province, after Angeles and San Fernando.

Mabalacat was officially converted into a component city after a plebiscite held on Saturday, July 21, favored for its cityhood. Out of the 19,542 residents who voted in the plebiscite, 72% or 14,078 residents voted for the cityhood of Mabalacat, according to the Commission on Elections (Comelec).

Those who participated in the plebiscite, however, constituted only about 20% of Mabalacat's 83,564 total registered voters. The continuous rains in Luzon was seen as a factor for the low turnout.

The 61.47 sq.km. Mabalacat area used to be a barrio in the province of Tarlac before it was established as a municipality of Pampanga in 1971.

President Benigno Aquino signed in June Republic Act 10164, which declared Mabalacat as a component city after meeting all the requirements prescribed under the Local Government Code of 1991.

Mabalacat’s income has reached P144 million, which is way above the P100 million basic income requirement of a city. Also, the town has 203,000 residents, double of the basic 100,000 required population for a component city.

Local officials said that Mabalacat is currently receiving P180 million from the internal revenue allotment (IRA), and they are expecting an additional P300 to P400 million allocation after the cityhood.

Mabalacat is expected to become a full-fledged city next year, the same year it will be celebrating its 300th founding anniversary. - Rappler.com

source: Rappler.com (http://www.rappler.com/nation/8986-mabalacat-town-in-pampanga-now-a-city)

mnemonick

July 22nd, 2012, 03:33 PM

medyo bahain ang Henson St. sa Angeles kapag tag-ulan, banda Pampang/LNW area... sana tugunan. this is my first time to use the video function of my new cellphone and post it online! haha

7d7K2WXvCUU

Tagal na nyan, highschool palang ako ganyan na yan, whats worst is amoy kanal pa yang baha na yan so mangangamoy kanal kami pag papasok :lol:

Hi there! From what I recall, the widening in Mabiga will be the start of several infrastructure upgrades in the vicinity. Foremost, it will be in preparation for the multi-modal terminal that will be constructed approximating the great influx of passenger and private vehicles in the area. These, among others (such as the tiangge complex) are what Barangay Mabiga is being prepared for :)

That would be the Tutuban 268 Mall (touted as a 24 hour tiangge like mall) ..... there haven't been any info regarding this since its first press release, you have any update regarding this?

P.N.B. Opens 3 More Branches

The Philippine National Bank (PNB) has opened three new branches, one each in Mamburao-Occidental Mindoro, in Dau Pampanga and in Salcedo Village-Makati. The bank recently raised P3.5 billion from 10-year tier 2 notes and proceeds are intended to finance the bank’s expansion plans as well as boost its capital base. Last year, the bank opened 10 new branches and installed 57 new automated teller machines. It is currently enhancing its internet banking service. PNB branches will expand with its merger with Allied Banking Corp. PNB alone operates 337 branches. (LCC)

Full Report (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/366929/pnb-opens-3-more-branches)

I thought dati pa naka open tong branch ng PNB sa Dau, what's with this recent news?

Mabalacat is Pampanga’s second component city

Officials here said Mabalacat’s P529-million annual internal revenue allotment would increase to P900 million once the town becomes a component city.

Full Report (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/233703/mabalacat-is-pampangas-second-component-city)

Ang OA naman, P529 Million daw ang current IRA ng Mabalacat at mag i-increase ito sa P900 million next year :lol: ..... They're definitely referring to the total income and I think that this figure will be reflected to COA since sa BLGF ay P516 Million ang income ng Mabalacat, a bit higher....wonder if that P900 million for the year 2013 is attainable though

sanfernandino2012

July 22nd, 2012, 04:21 PM

San exactly itatayo Tutuban Mall sa Mabalacat? Wow that will be the 1st ever mall in Mabt kung ganun! Congrats Mabt City!

mnemonick

July 22nd, 2012, 04:33 PM

^^ Sa may Spur Road connecting SCTEX-NLEX sa Mabiga. And technically, Jumbo Jenra is already a mall here, maliit nga lang sya. And mauuna pa ang SM Clark Expansion Building kesa dito sa Tutuban Mall.

sisigman

July 22nd, 2012, 04:37 PM

Well, his face is everywhere in Mabalacat. :bash::bash:

Boking is Mabalacat
:lol:

sanfernandino2012

July 22nd, 2012, 04:53 PM

That will be great to build a mall close to Mabalacat proper & cud be a start of progress sa poblacion. Napansin ko lng kc na parang tahimik ng Mabt town proper compared to Dau. Ni walang McDo o Jollibee. Mang Inasal naman nasa Xevera pa. Musta pala Mang Inasal sa Xevera? Malakas ba & dinudumog mga tao? Sana magtuluy tuloy na asenso sa Mabt & hope to see more establishments in d future.

mnemonick

July 22nd, 2012, 04:55 PM

@sisigman Hopefully that will change next year....Lord have mercy, 17 years of his face is enough :nuts::nuts::nuts:

That will be great to build a mall close to Mabalacat proper & cud be a start of progress sa poblacion. Napansin ko lng kc na parang tahimik ng Mabt town proper compared to Dau. Ni walang McDo o Jollibee. Mang Inasal naman nasa Xevera pa. Musta pala Mang Inasal sa Xevera? Malakas ba & dinudumog mga tao? Sana magtuluy tuloy na asenso sa Mabt & hope to see more establishments in d future.

Well if our Mayor who shall not be named will fulfill his cityhood promises, he will demolish the current public market in Mabalacat Town Proper and build this one

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/293270_408241512573082_1745759508_n.jpg

Aside from the Market, may office spaces pa sa side (sosyal :lol:) ..... and once na may offices na sa part na yun ng Mabalacat, lets say a BPO, I bet even starbucks will open there :lol: ..... But I don't get the logic, why would you put an office building beside a Public Market? :nuts:

Regarding Mang Inasal in Xevera, i have no idea, I seldom go there, ang layo :lol:

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The next logical city of Pampanga based on income will be Mexico, unless Porac zooms ahead with its new found investments and Pinatubo trail tourism boost. But either way, they're still physically connected to MC (Mabalacat City initials :lol:), AC and CSF forming a somewhat compressed metropolis.....

http://eksite.com/map_pampanga_big.png

Sana sa bandang south naman ang susunod na siyudad pero mukhang malabo mangyari sa ngayon

Megaohm

July 22nd, 2012, 06:16 PM

@sisigman Hopefully that will change next year....Lord have mercy, 17 years of his face is enough :nuts::nuts::nuts:

17 years. Partida na yan ha. Panu pa kung walang Clark.

sisigman

July 22nd, 2012, 07:02 PM

The next logical city of Pampanga based on income will be Mexico, unless Porac zooms ahead with its new found investments and Pinatubo trail tourism boost. But either way, they're still physically connected to MC (Mabalacat City initials :lol:), AC and CSF forming a somewhat compressed metropolis.....

http://eksite.com/map_pampanga_big.png

see this image I modified below. the yellow marks represent the "seamless" metropolitan area in Pampanga. as you can see, the progressive parts of San Fernando (Sindalan to Dolores to town proper) seem to be separated from the combined urban areas of Porac, Mabalacat, and Angeles.

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1389/pamphow.jpg

Sana CSF can focus on improving the population and economy in its northern barangays, para maging seamless talaga ang Metro Pampanga/Angeles/Clark.

PS regarding the map: no way can Sta. Rita be bigger than Bacolor, and no way can Masantol be bigger than Macabebe.

Blumark

July 22nd, 2012, 07:23 PM

:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:
Congratulations
Mabalacat City!!

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:cheers1::cheers1::cheers1::cheers1::cheers1::cheers1:

:dance:
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:fiddle::fiddle::fiddle::fiddle:

solll

July 22nd, 2012, 08:49 PM

Here's the SunStar article on the plebiscite :)

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/sites/default/files/imagecache/front_page_thumbnail/sunstar-pampanga-2012-07-23.jpg

Mabalacat now a city
By Reynaldo G. Navales
Sunday, July 22, 2012

MABALACAT -- Mabalacat is now Pampanga’s third city.

The proclamation was known following the peaceful referendum held last Saturday where some 14,079 constituents voted in favor of the cityhood, while 5,389 went for “no” in the final count supervised by the Commission on Elections (Comelec).

Comelec municipal registrar Frank David said they have already confirmed the results of the referendum and declared the town as a city.

He said his office will formally inform the local government about the result of the referendum today, Monday.

After this, Municipal Administrator Rossano Paquia said the Comelec head office in Manila will affirm the outcome of the referendum through a resolution.

The Comelec recorded a 23-percent voter turnout and this was attributed to bad weather last Saturday. Mabalacat has a total voting population of 85,000.

David said the referendum is the last stage of the cityhood process.

Mayor Marino Morales thanked his constituents for voting in favor of the cityhood.

Morales also thanked the Comelec officials, including chairman Sixto Brillantes and other commissioners, Central Luzon acting officer Emmanuel Ignacio, for their support to the cityhood and the peaceful and orderly conduct of the referendum.

Morales also commended the police force headed by Superintendent Rodney Baloyo, and other volunteers including the communication group, non-government organizations, for maintaining peace and order throughout the election period.

He also thanked the teachers and other volunteers who assisted the orderly conduct of the referendum.

“What we should do now is move forward and we are committed to provide more efficient service to our constituents,” he said.

Published in the Sun.Star Pampanga newspaper on July 23, 2012.

source: SunStar Pampanga (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/pampanga/local-news/2012/07/22/mabalacat-now-city-233370)

solll

July 22nd, 2012, 09:57 PM

Your knowledge on the project is as good as mine haha :)

That would be the Tutuban 268 Mall (touted as a 24 hour tiangge like mall) ..... there haven't been any info regarding this since its first press release, you have any update regarding this?

solll

July 22nd, 2012, 10:05 PM

I think the Php 529 million you're referring to pertains to the overall budget of Mabalacat for this year. I believe the increased amount isn't far from what it could be working with next year. Given the great increase in share from the Internal Revenue Allotment as a result of the conversion plus the increasing aggregated 2% remittance of the growing number of investors in Clark Freeport, I see the the budget reaching somewhere between Php 800 - 900 million. :)

Ang OA naman, P529 Million daw ang current IRA ng Mabalacat at mag i-increase ito sa P900 million next year :lol: ..... They're definitely referring to the total income and I think that this figure will be reflected to COA since sa BLGF ay P516 Million ang income ng Mabalacat, a bit higher....wonder if that P900 million for the year 2013 is attainable though

solll

July 22nd, 2012, 10:12 PM

What would you guys want more from the Aquino administration? Today's most anticipated event, President Noynoy's address on the State of the Nation takes place later in Batasan.

And, reiterating my earlier question, what grade(over 10) would you give President Aquino in his effecting his agenda of the tuwid na daan here in Pampanga as a whole?:)

Kapampangans want Aquino to address sector issues in SONA

Sunday, July 22, 2012

CITY OF SAN FERNANDO — Kapampangans from different parts of the province and abroad said they would like to hear President Benigno Aquino III’s programs for various sector issues here in his third State of the Nation Address (Sona) today, Monday.

In random interviews made by Sun.Star, Kapampangans said they would like to hear about Aquino’s accomplishments and future programs for overseas Filipino workers (OFWs), lesbian and gay rights, solutions to the diplomatic relationship with China over Panatag Shoal, economic accomplishments for 2013, the seemingly slow government projects and the economic agenda for 2013.

An influential Roman Catholic official here said he is interested to hear Aquino’s stand on the Reproductive Health bill. Meanwhile, business leaders here would like to hear Aquino’s assessment on the initial quarter of this fiscal year.

Pampanga Chamber of Commerce and Industry Inc. (PamCham) vice chairman Rene Romero described recently the performance of the local economy during the first semester or past six months of 2012 as still “sluggish.”

At the onset of the year, Romero opined that the local economy would be “shaky” but not “really worrying,” because of external effects of other world economies like that of the US, China and what he branded as the Asean tigers.

Earlier last week, youth groups in Central Luzon launched a week-long protest activity in preparation of Aquino’s Sona that will be greeted with a bigger protest rally from participants coming from the provinces that will troop to Batasang Pambansa today, Monday.

The activities were led by Anakbayan, League of Filipino Students, Karatula, College Editors Guild of the Philippines, and National Union of Students of the Philippines.

There will also be an interactive timeline of Aquino's speech that can be accessed at specials.sunstar.com.ph/noynoyaquino, plus multimedia reports, Sona fast facts, glossary of Filipino-English terms used by the President in his report, and even a transcript of his address.

Updates will also be posted on social media, through Sun.Star - Philippine News on Facebook, @sunstaronline on Twitter, and Sun.Star Philippines on Google+.

The website will also provide online polls to give its readers a chance to rate President Aquino's performance. The polls will be made available both on Facebook and on the PNoy special section at specials.sunstar.com.ph/noynoyaquino. (Ian Ocampo Flora)

source: SunStar Pampanga (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/pampanga/local-news/2012/07/22/kapampangans-want-aquino-address-sector-issues-sona-233364)

solll

July 22nd, 2012, 10:25 PM

By the way guys, does the recent conversion merit the current and future threads to be named "Mabalacat, Angeles, and San Fernando Cities, and Pampanga Province Thread __" as well? :)

TheJMP617

July 22nd, 2012, 11:06 PM

Oh, BTW guys, I don't know if I heard correctly what the beloved mayor of the City of Mabalacat who shall not be named :lol: said out of his mouth while I was having coffee in Starbucks with a friend (and fellow SSC member) visiting from Bacolod. I think I heard him say that he will no longer run for mayor but his son will! I don't know though if I hear correctly. What do you think did he say? :)

TheJMP617

July 22nd, 2012, 11:11 PM

By the way guys, does the recent conversion merit the current and future threads to be named "Mabalacat, Angeles, and San Fernando Cities, and Pampanga Province Thread __" as well? :)

Well here was the problem which arose. It was originally named "Angeles City and Pampanga Thread". It was then changed to "Pampanga Province Thread". We requested to revert it back to the original as Angeles City is independent from the provincial government of Pampanga. That made the problem worse. Just to let it cool down, now we have "Angeles and San Fernando Cities and Pampanga Province Thread". So I guess we must make the name longer now? :bash: :lol:

TheJMP617

July 22nd, 2012, 11:15 PM

Hi there! From what I recall, the widening in Mabiga will be the start of several infrastructure upgrades in the vicinity. Foremost, it will be in preparation for the multi-modal terminal that will be constructed approximating the great influx of passenger and private vehicles in the area. These, among others (such as the tiangge complex) are what Barangay Mabiga is being prepared for :)

If that's so, ok! :cheers:

Let's just hope it doesn't end up like the one in Dau!

sanfernandino2012

July 22nd, 2012, 11:53 PM

Hehe! Kung ako tatanungin, I would really prefer "Angeles City & Pampanga Province" thread na lang. Sobrang redundant na kc if lahat ng cities iinclude. Component cities lng nman Mabt & Sn Fernando so ok lng cguro dating thread title. I'm a Fernandino but I don't mind if they revert it to the old one.

Pidjüng

July 23rd, 2012, 12:04 AM

http://i.imgur.com/OfkTc.png
http://i.imgur.com/clSc8.png

14th City and New City of Central Luzon
Better late than never. Short term city mayor reign Boking, more progress Mabalacat City :colgate:

Pidjüng

July 23rd, 2012, 12:16 AM

^^Ang Mabalacat component pa lang sya at di pa huc gaya ng Angeles City pag sinabing Pampanga kasama pa rin sya auto na yon sa Pampanga na di gaya ng Angeles City may mga aspeto sa Pampanga na separated sya. Ang San Fernando capital nga pero ganun din pag minention ang Pampanga alam na ang San Fernando capital ng Pampanga at kasama na kaagad di pa ito huc din gaya ng Mabalacat City.

Magandang AC and Pampanga Province Thread na lang o kaya Pampanga Province Thread kase masyadong mahaba kung ilalagay lahat ng syudad.

sanfernandino2012

July 23rd, 2012, 12:53 AM

I agree w/ u, Pidjung. "Angeles City & Pampanga" thread na lng since Angeles is politically separate from Pampanga. Pag di sinama Mabalacat sa thread title, baka kc magtampo pa mga Mabalaquenos. I'm from CSF & I don't mind pero palagay ko di naman siguro magagalit ung iba if tanggalin na Sn Fernando sa title since component city lng nman sya. Fellow Fernandinos, wag po tayo maging sensitive & maging objective lng sana.

william :D

July 23rd, 2012, 01:09 AM

congrats sa bagong lungsod! Mabalacat City! :banana: :banana:

Pidjüng

July 23rd, 2012, 01:42 AM

^^Daming update ni Karisma daig mo pa ang reporter bro...joke, peace :colgate:

Pidjüng

July 23rd, 2012, 01:44 AM

SM City Clark

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/251992_395913617140001_1859551755_n.jpg

Pidjüng

July 23rd, 2012, 01:45 AM

SM City Pampanga

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/252631_426754610696547_616042066_n.jpg

Pidjüng

July 23rd, 2012, 01:47 AM

SM City San Fernando
Kapuso actress and ZenZest endorser Carla Abellana at SM City San Fernando Downtown

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/179577_475985275762490_1133381826_n.jpg

Pidjüng

July 23rd, 2012, 01:51 AM

Nepo Mall

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/482083_472583032751783_1406303140_n.jpg

Pidjüng

July 23rd, 2012, 01:56 AM

Muslim Community in San Fernando (http://pampangacapitol.ph/2012/07/19/muslim-community-in-san-fernando/)
NewsAggregator

http://pampangacapitol.ph/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/20120719_muslim.jpg
Gov. Lilia "Nanay" Pineda meets the officials of the Muslim Community in San Fernando headed by Salman Ampuan and Dir. Tammy Pagompatuan of National Commission on Muslim Filipinos to hear their concerns

Pidjüng

July 23rd, 2012, 02:05 AM

Santo Tomas Gov
Tree Planting on all public elementary schools of Sto. Tomas

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/559067_206071516186182_159014137_n.jpg

Pidjüng

July 23rd, 2012, 02:09 AM

Minalin Gov.

http://i.imgur.com/pGX6L.jpg

Pictures... (http://minalin.gov.ph/minalin/index.php?view=category&catid=96&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=84)

Pidjüng

July 23rd, 2012, 02:16 AM

Sasmuan Gov.

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/c10.0.843.403/p843x403/3060_267061403393654_2020876026_n.jpg

librero

July 23rd, 2012, 02:19 AM

Pidjüng

July 23rd, 2012, 02:33 AM

sir librero, ginoogle ko yang Negros Or., 13 cities 1 huc. ganyan pala karami ang mga syudad dyan. Qualified kaya lahat ang mga yun na maging syudad? :) Daig pa nito ang Cebu na may 9 cities lang at tatlo sa mga to huc.

librero

July 23rd, 2012, 03:37 AM

Qualified sila lahat sir Pidjung... income, land area... dahil sa industriya ng asukal...

pero kung naghahanap ka ng city feel at city look, hindi mo daw po makikita dun sir...

ang naging advantage po nila, napadami po nila ang cities nila dun nung panahong hindi pa nag-uunahang maging city ang iba-ibang municipality sa Pilipinas...

Naunahan pa nila ang Pampanga kahit na mukhang mas maraming mukhang syudad (or at least, mas maraming vibrant areas) sa Pampanga...

librero

July 23rd, 2012, 06:52 AM

Blumark

July 23rd, 2012, 06:55 AM

congrats sa bagong lungsod! Mabalacat City! :banana: :banana:

Makikisali na rin... Naisip ko lang, buti hindi naging problema ng Negros Occidental ang pagpapangalan ng thread considering the number of cities it has... :colgate:

Bute saten Bulacan Thread lang! :lol::lol::lol:
kung i-include naten names ng mga city sa thread naten naku po!
SJDMC alone super haba na hahaha :lol::nuts::nuts::nuts::lol::lol::lol:

mnemonick

July 23rd, 2012, 08:34 AM

Wow thanks sa lahat ng nag congratulate :D (Feeling Mayor :lol:) ..... Dapat masanay na ko nyan sa pagsulat ng address namin, 1### $%@!&! St., $(*@%&!@ Subd., Dau, Mabalacat City, Pampanga :lol:

And for the all important thread title na nabasa ko dati na pinagdebatehan ng matagal before they came up with this current one, Angeles City and Pampanga province ang suggestion ko since dalawa na ang component city ng Pampanga and Angeles City is independent from the Provincial Government of Pampanga

And if its true that Boking will not run anymore next year, well Hallelujah!! But its too good to be true, i'll keep my doubts about it for the time being

william :D

July 23rd, 2012, 08:49 AM

^^ ae mayor :lol: repost mo yung proposed logo ng City of Mabalacat hehe :D

Bute saten Bulacan Thread lang! :lol::lol::lol:
kung i-include naten names ng mga city sa thread naten naku po!
SJDMC alone super haba na hahaha :lol::nuts::nuts::nuts::lol::lol::lol:

dati yung original na name ng thread natin bago pa ko dumating sa SSC kasama yung mga cities excluding SJDM, kaya ginawa nalang ay tinanggal yung lahat ng cities para wala nang usapan sa title :cheers:

suggest ko: Pampanga Province Thread or Angeles City and Pampanga Province Thread. :cheers:

librero

July 23rd, 2012, 08:51 AM

mnemonick

July 23rd, 2012, 09:00 AM

^^ ae mayor :lol: repost mo yung proposed logo ng City of Mabalacat hehe :D

Ito ba?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/206471_197922563579622_2089151_n.jpg

Nu ba yang logo na yan, pinagisipan talaga kung ano ang symbol ng city, ayun building ang nilagay, hirap maisip yun a :lol::lol::lol: ..... dapat maglagay sila ng lugar o bagay na related sa Mabalacat hindi building sus

^^Parang Gloria Macapagal Arroyo ba tol? hehehe...

Oo, sabi di na tatakbo para mapatahimik pansamantala ang mga critics nya, pag dating ng election, ayun.....nagka amnesia :lol:

League welcomes third component city in Pampanga

MABALACAT, Pampanga—The president of the League of Cities of the Philippines (LCP) welcomed this new component city in Pampanga, bringing to 141 the number of cities in the country.

LCP President Oscar Rodriguez, mayor of the City of San Fernando in Pampanga, told Mabalacat representatives, “Welcome to the LCP. This is an opportunity for Mabalacat to hasten programs needed to raise the quality of life of people there.”

Full Report (http://businessmirror.com.ph/home/regions/30257-league-welcomes-third-component-city-in-pampanga)

Well at least welcome kami sa League of Cities, unlike yung mga :censored:

sisigman

July 23rd, 2012, 09:27 AM

Pampanga exhibit open to the public
By Joelyn G. Baluyut
Sunday 22nd of July 2012

PAMPANGA, July 22 (PIA) -- An exhibit showcasing the beauty of the 19 municipalities and three cities of Pampanga is currently open to the public since July 20 until the end of the month in SM City Pampanga.

The exhibit features Pampanga in all walks of life. Photos exhibited are composed of portraits, food, festivals, heritage sites and even religion.

“The tastes, tints and textures” is a collaborative effort of two professional photographers who are both from Pampanga, Bruno Tiotuico and Ruston Banal.

Tiotuico and Banal have been practicing photography for four years now. The two both graduated from the University of the Philippines College of Fine Arts.

read more (http://www.pia.gov.ph/news/index.php?article=551342599436)

sana sir sisigman, kasali ka dito oh... pupunta ako Pampanga kung andito works mo... :)

wala ako diyan, pero kilala ang mga may gawa. sa kasalukuyan, inoorganize ko ang 2nd CineKabalen Kapampangan Film Festival with Holy Angel University, Foundation for Lingap Kapampangan, and National Commission on Culture and the Arts... Ang festival, mangyayari sa December as part of the annual Sinukwan Festival. Suportahan natin :D

ang pinaka-highlight ng festival ay yung kapampangan short film competition.

sisigman

July 23rd, 2012, 09:29 AM

thread title: suggestion ko naman ay Angeles City, Clark Freeport, and Pampanga Province thread, since nagiging sikat na rin ang Clark on its own. at para na rin ma-claim natin na ang clark ay nasa pampanga

mnemonick

July 23rd, 2012, 10:34 AM

sisigman

July 23rd, 2012, 10:40 AM

watching SONA

no solid Clark plans!

Boo!

mnemonick

July 23rd, 2012, 11:54 AM

^^ I think there's nothing about anywhere north of Manila regarding his infra projects

william :D

July 23rd, 2012, 01:02 PM

^^ sabi nga niya mag'intay nalang daw sila ng mga kababayan niya para sa Tarlac. sana man lang yung Northrail (Caloocan-Clark) matapos bago ang term niya.

mnemonick

July 23rd, 2012, 03:50 PM

kOi2toprtN4

Ngayon ko lang napanood itong imbestigador aired last Saturday tungkol sa mga dumpsites sa Pampanga. Okay rin yung palusot ng Angeles City, dinaan sa mga RA RAs ang pag deny :lol:.....dumugo tuloy ang ilong ko sa explanation nya :lol:.....yung sa Mabalacat naman, malayo daw sa creek yung mga basura at nasa MRF daw pero kitang kita sa video na katabi ng creek ang tambak na basura. Yung sa San Fernando, medyo pang novice ang palusot, ngayon nya lang daw nalaman ang ganun :lol:. Buti pa ang Apalit at Sto. Tomas, medyo honest sila, yung Apalit need daw nila ng immediate solution sa sobrang volume ng basura kaya sila naghukay.....at least pinatambunan nila (pero malamang na ulitin yon). Yung Sto. Tomas, wala daw sila Budget.....calling Gov. Pineda, yan ang mga dapat focus ng mga tulong nya, ang mga 2nd-4th class Municipalities ng Pampanga.

/end of sona/

Okay, nakausap ko sa FB yung Solid Waste Management Officer ng Mabalacat na si Mr. Jeffrey Santos (the one interviewed there) and this it what he told me, "wala kapo makikita sa creek sa mabalacat side na me basura.. dahil me mrf kami doon." Almost a year na raw nang maayos nila ang creek na yun and that DENR officer can affirm that, she's even the one who told Mr. Santos to have an interview to defend his side daw. I felt his sincerity naman and i actually believe him. :)

sisigman

July 23rd, 2012, 03:55 PM

I found this Facebook page called ANTI-EPAL, and I think we in Pampanga should participate in this.

https://www.facebook.com/nomoreepal

About

Reclaiming public property from the clutches of traditional politicians. This page is a venue for the public to share photos of PUBLIC SERVANTS who've displayed their names or images in public places in furtherance of their careers.

Description

Government officials (elected and non-elected), also known as PUBLIC SERVANTS, should not be allowed to use public money to display their name or image in public places in furtherance of their careers. This page is a venue for the public to share photos of this (mal)practice, that will eventually lead to the public shaming of officials to the end that this practice will stop.

When posting pictures, please indicate date and place.

It's time we the people reclaimed our cities back from the clutches of abusive public servants.

mnemonick

July 23rd, 2012, 04:22 PM

^^ liked....

I don't think the congress will pass that anti-epal bill tho, for one, they're the ones who benefit from those shameless plugs :nuts::nuts::nuts:

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Just a random thought...

SM Pampanga opened in 2000
SM Clark opened in 2006
SM San Fernando opened this 2012
so can we expect another SM in 2018?

Megaohm

July 23rd, 2012, 04:27 PM

^^ Go Mabalacat!

whippersnapper

July 23rd, 2012, 10:21 PM

Lazatin Flyover

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/adikkaymonic/flyover/GEDC0426.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/adikkaymonic/flyover/GEDC0427.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/adikkaymonic/flyover/GEDC0422.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/adikkaymonic/flyover/GEDC0421.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/adikkaymonic/flyover/GEDC0420.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/adikkaymonic/flyover/GEDC0419.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/adikkaymonic/flyover/GEDC0418.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/adikkaymonic/flyover/GEDC0417.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/adikkaymonic/flyover/GEDC0416.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/adikkaymonic/flyover/GEDC0415.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/adikkaymonic/flyover/GEDC0414.jpg

mukhang mauuna pang matatapos ito kesa sa ginagawang overpass malapit sa intersection

Karisma

July 24th, 2012, 02:30 AM

ang proposed ko naman thread name .ay METRO PAMPANGA & PROVINCE THREAD ayan simply, catchy and hanep pakinggan ang Metro Pampanga.

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may nakalagay na girders sa JASA FOOTBRIDGE un Lazatin Flyover ay wala pa kaya palagay ko mauna ang footbridge.

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un SF meron Biosphere it will turn the garbage into energy..

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i hope matuloy parin Northrail.

noong panahon ni PGMA umusad konstruction ng NORTHRAIL pag pasok ni Pnoy pinatigil.

kaya may bago na pangalan ang NORTHRAIL new name is NORAIL :-)

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kaya marami naging CITY noon dahil hndi maselan 20M lang na locally generated income nay pasok na plus shempre un population requirement.

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EDPAM VS TARZAN in Angeles sino kaya mananalo? former 3term mayor c tarzan at hndi natalo sa kanya term naaprove at napagawa ang marQuee mall

EDSA VS AQUINO in SF sino kaya lamang mas gusto ko patakbuhin na lng un anak ni or asawa ni mayor oca pero hndi niya ginawa isa siyang gentleman ayaw niya siguro ang trapo dahil malaki chance manalo ang anak/asawa niya dahil iba klase ang ginawang pamamahala ni oca sa ciudad fernando i will give him perfect 10.

Karisma

July 24th, 2012, 02:44 AM

pidjung kala ko ba pupunta ka weekends sa SM SF? joke ka lng noh.

alam ko nasa abroad ka. nasa US ka ba or Europe? pansin ko umaga ka online ssc..
shempre pag umaga sa Pinas sa US naman ay gabi :-)

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wow!! pampanga has 6 cities!!

basahin niyo link kung baket :-)

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/pampanga/opinion/2012/07/24/limlingan-new-cities-233667

Karisma

July 24th, 2012, 02:52 AM

from RW95.1 KENI NAKA.. Masasabi ko lng sa SONA kumita na naman ang mga Fashion Designer dahil pabongahan lang ng suot ang mga dumalo :-)

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ang gusto ko sana sbihin ni Pnoy sa SONA ay ganito
"Ngayon taon ay sisimulan na ang construction ng Grand terminal sa DMIA at sa sandaling ito ay matapos ay ito na ang bagong gateway ng bansang pinakamamahal natin"

#wishful.thinking

librero

July 24th, 2012, 04:26 AM

Hahaha... oo nga naman... by name, six cities nga naman... :colgate:

Pidjüng

July 24th, 2012, 04:58 AM

^^Pumunta ako kaso kinwento muna pano pa ako magkukwento -.- pero teka naliitan ka kase di ka pumunta sa carpark, kung isasama mo pa mga parking area malaki pa rin sya di nga lang sing haba ng SM Pampanga.

Sa umaga ko talaga ginagawa mga posting ko kase sa hapon hanggang gabi busy nako.

Medyo tinatamad na akong mag-post kaw muna pumalit sakin Correspondent Karisma :colgate:

sanfernandino2012

July 24th, 2012, 05:11 AM

Palagay mo Karisma di magagalit mga Angelenos sa suggestion mo na tanggalin city nila, to think na matagal ng "Angeles City & Pampanga Province" title ng thread? Sinaunang panahon pa lang, un na ang title eh. Kaya lng naman kc siningit Sn Fernando sa title dahil pinilit nung ibang fellow Fernandinos natin. I think we're adding insult to injury if gawing "Metro Pampanga" lang ang title coz di naman politically under ang Angeles sa Pampanga.

newromanticism2005

July 24th, 2012, 05:18 AM

http://eksite.com/pampanga_cuisine.html

librero

July 24th, 2012, 05:19 AM

I think, it should be Angeles City and Pampanga Province Thread...

mnemonick

July 24th, 2012, 05:24 AM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/306857_413554425375124_658806316_n.jpg

hahahaha....sorry, wala akong magawa e

Karisma

July 24th, 2012, 05:27 AM

kung datihan ka lurker noon paman 2005 matagal narin ganyan name niya taz pabago bago na. at bkit naman mawawala angeles Metro Pampanga ay kasama ang (Angeles city, sf, mblacat ano pa ba?)

anyway this is a open forum. nagbigay na sila ng suggestion nila pati ikaw mine is a proposal lng naman din.
in the end mods parin magdecide ng name.

Karisma

July 24th, 2012, 05:30 AM

actualy pumunta ako parking 5th floor to 7th floor kita ang view ng SF pati nlex, sm pampanga, rob, mt arayat ay kita din. balikbayan kana ba nsan piw mo sa pampanga?
bihira na nga din ako mgpost niyan busy rin ako :-)

Pidjüng

July 24th, 2012, 05:34 AM

^^Mukhang magiging alitan na naman ito sa thread title out nako dyan baka lumaki na naman ang dispute sa thread title, o kaya naman para wala ng pagmumulan ang problema sa thread title kahit mahaba ilagay na rin ang Mabalacat City.

Share ko lang wikipedia ng Mabalacat City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mabalacat,_Pampanga)

Pidjüng

July 24th, 2012, 05:41 AM

Para nga pala sa mga Cabalen sa Angeles City kung gusto nyong tuloy-tuloy ang pag-unlad ng Syudad nyo kay Mayor Ed Pamintuan lalong gaganda buhay nyo :colgate: hayan kahit di ako taga Angeles kita nyo na mas bet kong Mayor nyo :)

mnemonick

July 24th, 2012, 05:41 AM

^^ wow na edit na, may investment pang nadagdag. Pero luma pa rin ang mga pictures na nakalagay. Sabi first class city, verify ko muna yun kasi walang reference na nakalagay e

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btw bukas ang SOCA (State of the City Address) ni EdPam, ano kayang mga investments ang ia-announce nya? Yung SOMA (State of the Municipality Address) kasi ng Mayor ng Porac, isang Ayala lang naman ang pasabog nya sa mga bagong investors sa Porac :cheers:

Pidjüng

July 24th, 2012, 05:45 AM

http://eksite.com/pampanga_cuisine.html

welcome sa sds pampanga, salamat sa post mo. pwede kang tumambay dito at ibahagi mo ang mga natatago mong mga kaalaman sa pampanga bro :colgate:

librero

July 24th, 2012, 05:47 AM

ambilis nga po eh... 1st class agad, though wala pa namang inilalabas na classification ulit para sa mga cities...

I mean, dine-declare po yan ng DILG di ba? Hindi dahil ganun na ang income ay ganun na agad ang classification mo as city...

Just a thought... baka mali din ako... :)

Pidjüng

July 24th, 2012, 05:48 AM

^^si Karisma talaga lumabas ang kakulitan ngaun pero nasa sau yan kaw na bahalang humusga kahit paimbestiga mo sa mga tulfo bros. :colgate:

Pidjüng

July 24th, 2012, 05:54 AM

^^kung meron kang ibang mga sources mnemonik paki share mo nga kase medyo advance nga ang mga info sa wiki

Pidjüng

July 24th, 2012, 05:57 AM

hmmm... parang dumarami yata ang mga bago na forumer, teka bago nga ba o 2nd account? anyway, kung bago man o hindi welcome pa rin dito ka-ssc :colgate:

newromanticism2005

July 24th, 2012, 06:04 AM

salamat po..filipino pride..

mnemonick

July 24th, 2012, 06:05 AM

^^ Well tsinek ko rin ang mga newly turned cities like Imus and Bacoor....and pati sila, first class city na ang nilagay. Yung sa Imus, ang source nya ay ang 2010 LGU income nya.

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Ayon naman sa NSCB, P400 million income for the last 3 consecutive years naman ang batayan sa pagiging first class ng isang city. Well based sa COA ang income ng Mabalacat ay
2009 - P449,126,501.74
2010 - P481,136,761.83
2011 - P500M+ (based sa BLGF and LGU ng Mabalacat pero di pa released ng COA)

....so i think may basehan naman ang nilagay nila pero dapat dinetalye nila habang wala pang official declaration kung sino man ang dapat mag proclaim nito

Karisma

July 24th, 2012, 06:08 AM

haha for me lng naman un. :-) kaw bigay mo naman insights mo..

anyway ang mahalaga lng naman sa akin ay isa siyang SM City at nagprovide ng thousands of job sa mga cabalen. at naging vibrant ulet ang SF proper. :-)

librero

July 24th, 2012, 06:11 AM

Ah, before SM San Fernando, di na ba vibrant ang town proper?

tisoycuba

July 24th, 2012, 06:34 AM

tisoycuba

July 24th, 2012, 06:38 AM

I think, it should be Angeles City and Pampanga Province Thread...

Tama ka dyan kabayan...

NOVO ECIJANO

July 24th, 2012, 06:39 AM

Guys,bakit wala sa list ng highly urbanized cities ang San Fernando at Dagupan City,hindi ako makapaniwala.

Karisma

July 24th, 2012, 07:02 AM

ang Peak ng Vibrant ng SF Proper ay nung wala pa SM Pampanga after magbukas SM Pamp mejo nag iba vibrant pari naman hndi lng gaya ng dati na puno lagi ng tao nung nagopen naman ang SM SF ayun naibalik ang sigla sa proper nagpasaya parang may fiesta lng dumami ulet tao na

librero

July 24th, 2012, 07:05 AM

kasi po, hindi pa naman sila talaga Highly urbanized city though Dagupan is an independent component city...

mnemonick

July 24th, 2012, 07:15 AM

Guys,bakit wala sa list ng highly urbanized cities ang San Fernando at Dagupan City,hindi ako makapaniwala.

Hindi po adjective ng isang developed na city ang pagiging highly urbanized city (HUC). Ang HUC po po ay isang klasipikasyon ng mga city sa Pilipinas. Ang lahat ng siyudad na nagnanais maging HUC ay may prosesong pagdadaanan gaya ng mga munisipalidad na nagnanais maging siyudad. Kahit na sobrang unlad ng isang siyudad base sa income at infrastructures nito, at pasok sya sa mga requirements ng pagiging isang HUC, kung ayaw namang mag "apply" ng city na yun bilang HUC, hindi talaga sila magiging HUC gaya ng San Fernando. Sa case naman ng Dagupan City hindi ako sure, i thought HUC din sya pero ICC lang pala sya.

librero

July 24th, 2012, 07:17 AM

IRA ALLOTMENT FOR REGION III PROVINCES

1. Bulacan..............1,656,844,963
2. Nueva Ecija.........1,329,437,485
3. Pampanga...........1,195,255,825
4. Tarlac...................915,862,910
5. Zambales...............617,310,904
6. Bataan..................582,418,206
7. Aurora...................438,679,255

Bulacan got the largest share because of population while Nueva Ecija got the 2nd spot because of its large land area....

librero

July 24th, 2012, 07:23 AM

IRA ALLOTMENT FOR REGION III CITIES

1. San Jose del Monte..........561,833,905
2. Tarlac............................517,440,499
3. Cabanatuan....................471,720,888
4. Angeles..........................438,090,742
5. Olongapo........................409,974,877
6. San Fernando..................387,866,112
7. Malolos.......................... 347,966,407
8. Meycauayan.....................305,889,637
9. San Jose........................302,174,600
10. Gapan..........................272,033,064
11. Muñoz..........................247,118,615
12. Balanga........................236,093,507
13. Palayan........................184,573,265

sisigman

July 24th, 2012, 07:29 AM

Bakit ba lagi na lang pinu-put down ang Angeles, kasabay ng San Fernando? Na kung nandyan ang Angeles, dapat andyan din ang San Fdo, kung wala ang Angeles, dun pa lang game tanggalin ang San Fdo?

To reiterate, San Fernando is a comp city of Pampanga and Angeles is administratively independent. San Fernando fervor began rising when they became a city, and always harbored bitter feelings (especially a lot of San Fernando government workers whom I worked with) toward Angeles. They often compared San Fernando and Angeles in favor of San Fernando, and always words like "tingnan mo ang Angeles, matagal ng city yan pero ganyan pa rin, di gaya ng San Fernando... blah blah." Question is why the inferiority complex?

Thread title suggestion ko pa rin ay:

Angeles City and Pampanga Province Thread

or

Angeles City, Clark Freeport, and Pampanga Province Thread

Pidjüng

July 24th, 2012, 07:36 AM

mnemonick

July 24th, 2012, 07:39 AM

^^2nd largest naman sya pagdating sa Population. Grabe pala ang density ng population dito sa Pampanga :eek:

Pidjüng

July 24th, 2012, 07:40 AM

Hindi po adjective ng isang developed na city ang pagiging highly urbanized city (HUC). Ang HUC po po ay isang klasipikasyon ng mga city sa Pilipinas. Ang lahat ng siyudad na nagnanais maging HUC ay may prosesong pagdadaanan gaya ng mga munisipalidad na nagnanais maging siyudad. Kahit na sobrang unlad ng isang siyudad base sa income at infrastructures nito, at pasok sya sa mga requirements ng pagiging isang HUC, kung ayaw namang mag "apply" ng city na yun bilang HUC, hindi talaga sila magiging HUC gaya ng San Fernando. Sa case naman ng Dagupan City hindi ako sure, i thought HUC din sya pero ICC lang pala sya.

tama, lahat ng mga nagiging component city, independent component city, or huc dumadaan sa process kahit na gaano pa ito kaunlad :colgate:

librero

July 24th, 2012, 07:41 AM

Yung Nueva Ecija, napakalaki ng land area para sa population nito...

Yung Pampanga, mukhang antaas nga ng population density...

Pidjüng

July 24th, 2012, 07:45 AM

Karisma

July 24th, 2012, 08:03 AM

TRIPLETS & PAMPANGA THREAD na lang :-)

anyway leave it nalang ntin yan sa Modz madami tayo proposal. modz na ang bahala sa name nasa kanya naman tlaga ang bola.

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noon pa pasado ang SF para sa HUC in terms of income and population.

sa tingin ko lng sa ngayon malabo mging HUC ang SF hndi suportahan dhil malaking kawalan sa Pampanga government lilit ang income at capital siya hndi papayag ang gov. jan

Pabor ba kayo mging HUC ang SF?
ako hndi.

Karisma

July 24th, 2012, 08:06 AM

mnemonick

July 24th, 2012, 08:08 AM

Pidjüng

July 24th, 2012, 08:12 AM

Ang laki ng ibinaba, 2011 kasi na approve yung league of 16 cities. So ngayon may share na sila. San Fernando from 439,441,025 nung 2011, naging 387,866,112 nalang :nuts:

meron bang mga patong ang mga 16 cities na yon kaya na-aprove? joke lang po, peace :lol:

librero

July 24th, 2012, 08:15 AM

hahaha... mga patong? eh naghahabol nga kasi sila ng mas malaking IRA eh...

sana man lang, nakapasa sila sa requirement eh... :ohno:

librero

July 24th, 2012, 08:26 AM

Isang malupit na tanong... Tama ba ang analysis ko na sa ngayung taong ito, ang IRA na gagamitin ng Mabalacat ay ang IRA na alloted sa kanya bilang isang munisipalidad pa lang?

Kumbaga, ang epekto ng pagtaas ng IRA niya ay sa taong 2013 pa...

Pidjüng

July 24th, 2012, 08:28 AM

hahaha... mga patong? eh naghahabol nga kasi sila ng mas malaking IRA eh...

sana man lang, nakapasa sila sa requirement eh... :ohno:

Huwag sanang magagalit ang mga kababayan natin dyan sa Nueva Ecija pati luzon hanggang mindanao kase meron silang city na kasama sa sweet 16 cities :) Tama ka sir librero, sana nga dumaan sila sa tamang process.

Pidjüng

July 24th, 2012, 08:31 AM

mnemonick

July 24th, 2012, 08:31 AM

^^ Alam ko po oo, matagal nang na set ang budget na yan. Ngayon lang na release. Wala naman kasiguraduhan kung mananalo sa plebiscite ang Yes votes kung isasama na ang Mabalacat sa maghahati hati sa IRA ng cities nung pinaplano pa yan...

and actually, walang taga Nueva Ecija sa 16 po na yan, halos Vis-Min lahat except for the ones in Kalinga and Quezon

librero

July 24th, 2012, 08:39 AM

CENTRAL LUZON MUNICIPALITIES w/ LARGEST IRA ALLOTMENT

1. Santa Maria..........195,347,865
2. San Miguel............151,621,320
3. Lubao..................150,252,921
4. Baliuag.................135,663,618
5. Arayat.................126,758,155
6. Marilao.................153,010,845
7. Concepcion...........149,739,660
8. Capas..................147,905,933
9. Mexico.................144,405,032
10. Hagonoy.............129,564,467
11. Porac.................127,421,426
12. Norzagaray..........126,477,029

out of the 12 municipalities with 120M+ IRA, 6 came from Bulacan, 4 from Pampanga and 2 from Tarlac.

No towns from Aurora, Bataan, Nueva Ecija and Zambales is in the top 12.

librero

July 24th, 2012, 08:39 AM

mnemonick

July 24th, 2012, 08:41 AM

^^ koya librero, san po yung source nyo nyan? ba't wala yung Mabalacat ahehehe

librero

July 24th, 2012, 08:46 AM

sa DBM mismo... eto po ang source (http://reports.dbm.gov.ph/ira.php?fiscalYear=2012&reportLevel=PCM&region=030#formtop)...

di ko alam kung saan ko ilalagay Mabalacat koya eh...kung city o municipality... hehehe...

kaya napatanong ako kanina...

IRA ng Mabalacat for 2012 = 193,756,238

mnemonick

July 24th, 2012, 08:49 AM

^^ Municipality pa yang IRA na yan sir. P193,147,325 ang IRA ng Mabalacat nung 2011, halos wala mang nagbago, bumaba rin ng konti :lol:

* medyo active ako ngayon a, petiks na kasi, wala nang masyadong ginagawa :lol:

librero

July 24th, 2012, 09:19 AM

CENTRAL LUZON BARANGAYS WITH LARGEST IRA ALLOTMENT

1. Muzon (San Jose del Monte City, Bulacan)............................28,780,224
2. Dau (Mabalacat City, Pampanga)........................................17,345,876
3. Sta Rita (Olongapo City)...................................................14,191,185
4. Dapdap (Mabalacat City, Pampanga)...................................13,235,342
5. Loma de Gato (Marilao, Bulacan)........................................12,733,235
6. Balibago (Angeles City).....................................................12,120,760
7. Pulong Buhangin (Santa Maria, Bulacan)...............................12,071,025
8. Graceville (San Jose del Monte City, Bulacan).......................11,686,441
9. Bulaon (San Fernando City, Pampanga)................................10,353,507
10. Pandacaqui (Mexico,Pampanga)...........................................9,822,104
11. Gordon Heights (Olongapo City)...........................................9,640,883
12. Kaypian (San Jose del Monte City, Bulacan)...........................9,519,273
13. Santo Cristo (San Jose del Monte City, Bulacan).....................9,301,603
14. Malabanias (Angeles City)...................................................8,670,392
15. San Isidro (Magalang, Pampanga).........................................8,478,270
16. New Cabalan (Olongapo City)..............................................8,318,168
17. Cutcut (Angeles City)........................................................8,316,124
18. Sapang Baiabas.(Mabalacat City, Pampanga)..........................8,293,982
19. Minuyan Proper San Jose del Monte City, Bulacan)..................8,021,809
20. Citrus (San Jose del Monte City, Bulacan).............................7,044,846

NOVO ECIJANO

July 24th, 2012, 02:08 PM

whippersnapper

July 24th, 2012, 02:10 PM

para sakin mas maganda kung Angeles City and San Fernando thread na lang.

Megaohm

July 24th, 2012, 03:45 PM

Wala ba naka pag plane spotting sa Clark kanina mga cabalen? dami na divert na flights sa Clark nabalitaan ko sa abs-cbn news

mnemonick

July 24th, 2012, 04:00 PM

^^ baka naman madaling araw sila lumapag at tulog ako kaya di ko napansin :lol:

TheJMP617

July 24th, 2012, 04:29 PM

Wala ba naka pag plane spotting sa Clark kanina mga cabalen? dami na divert na flights sa Clark nabalitaan ko sa abs-cbn news

I did some spotting but only spotted a UPS Boeing 747 Freighter. The rest were normal Clark flights. :cheers:

mnemonick

July 24th, 2012, 05:16 PM

Guys kung pwede wag nyo na po i quote yung mga trolls sa Clark Airport thread, naka block na sila sakin e, nababasa ko pa tuloy at napapasagot ako ng di oras. Thanks

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MORE WORKERS

CLARK FREEPORT, Pampanga — Clark Development Corporation announced yesterday that workers inside this Freeport zone has reached 66,223 as of June 30 this year, an all-time high employment record since the inception of the state-owned firm in 1993. In the report of Customer Service Department to CDC Chair and Officer-in-Charge Eduardo SL Oban Jr. the number of workers came from the 553 reporting locators inside the Freeport Zone. As of June 30, there are 562 locators who have signed contracts with the state-owned firm. CSD said that the previous record high is 64,488 last May 31, but after a month an additional 1,735 workers were recorded. (Franco G. Regala)

Full Report (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/367254/new-bacoor-city-improves-services)

Wow, 1,735 workers ang nadagdag within a month :eek::cheers:

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True state of the nation is in each Filipino's guts

MABALACAT CITY (PLDT/WeRoam) — This 300-year-old town in the northern edge of Pampanga is now a proud city, becoming the province’s third after San Fernando (the capital) and Angeles.

Citihood was attained shortly before midnight last Saturday after a 72-percent “Yes” vote in a plebiscite, the last step under RA 10164 converting this first class municipality of some 215,650 into a component city.

Mayor Marino “Boking” Morales, coming in as the first city mayor together with the other incumbent officials, sees faster growth, especially with the expected increase in the city’s Internal Revenue Allotment from the national government and the influx of more businesses.

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MORE REVENUES: As a contiguous town to the Clark Freeport, Mabalacat received P170 million last year as its share in the gross revenue of 841 Clark locators. The city supplies a fifth of the 66,223 workers employed by them.

Around 75 percent of Clark’s original land area was carved out of Mabalacat, but many out-of-towners erroneously think the former US air base is in Angeles because the main Balibago gate is there.

Mabalacat’s income from Clark and its P529-million IRA share last year helped the administration upgrade essential services and give the town a facelift on its way to citihood. As a city, its IRA is expected to jump to P900 million next year.

Morales promised to rehabilitate the public market, set up a “triple A” slaughterhouse, improve street lighting and sanitation, build more classrooms in the Mabalacat Community College, and spruce up the central business district.

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LOCAL POLITICS: But residents of Mabalacat, a “component” city like San Fernando, will continue to participate in the election of the governor.

In contrast, Angeles being an independent “chartered” city is not involved in electing the governor although it lies in the very heart of the province.

Mabalacat stays with the first district together with Magalang town and Angeles City. It was the district’s congressman, Rep. Carmelo “Tarzan” Lazatin, who sponsored RA 10164.

The law, by the way, ruled out any tax increase in the new city in the next five years.

A lingering legal question is whether Morales is now qualified for two more three-year terms since local executives are entitled to three consecutive terms. To split hair, this is the former town executive’s first term as city mayor.

Full Article (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?publicationSubCategoryId=64&articleId=830710)

I want a dramatic increase of the LGI by the year 2013, currently we only have P100M+. By increasing the LGI, that means na maganda ang pagpapalakad ng mga local city officials regarding sa pagkuha ng mga investors dito. Kahit na malaki ang nakukuha ng Mabalacat sa Clark, hindi naman ito dahil sa lgu ng Mabalacat, ang CDC ang namamahala dito. ang IRA naman ay galing sa National Government. so LGI lang talaga ang batayan ko kung nagagawa nila ng mahusay ang trabaho nila at kung matutupad nila ang mga cityhood campaign promises nila

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4pm0EuHCOxg

Hindi na yata talaga maaayos ang pagbaha sa ilang lugar sa Pampanga, taon taon nalang pag umulan, yan ang balita. Kakasawa na. Lipat nalang kaya sila dito sa Mabalacat para di na nila maranasan ang ganyang baha :jk::lol:

sanfernandino2012

July 24th, 2012, 06:58 PM

So saan ang 25% ng Clark? Di ba nag-start ang Clark sa Sapang Bato (na barrio ng Angeles) bilang Fort Stotsenburg?

mnemonick

July 24th, 2012, 07:10 PM

^^ the other 25% is distributed in Angeles, Porac, Bamban and Capas. Dun know much about its history tho. Pero yung Fort Stotsenburg Pillars, sa may Dau na yun, dun kasi kami nagpi-picnic, nag ba-barbeque at naglalaro nung bata pa ko. Malapit lang sa bahay namin

noon pa pasado ang SF para sa HUC in terms of income and population.

sa tingin ko lng sa ngayon malabo mging HUC ang SF hndi suportahan dhil malaking kawalan sa Pampanga government lilit ang income at capital siya hndi papayag ang gov. jan

Pabor ba kayo mging HUC ang SF?
ako hndi..

Ba't ka naman hindi pabor? Sa akin okay lang, kung yun ang gusto ng mga taga San Fernando, ba't ko sila pipigilan. Naka survive nga ang Pampanga ng ilang dekada kahit independent na ang Angeles mula dito. And San Fernando can definitely stand on their own kasi ang daming industrial companies at commercial establishments dito, they can support their residents without having to rely on the provincial government dahil sa mga trabahong naibibigay ng mga kumpanyang ito.

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 02:12 AM

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 02:18 AM

Also sabi sa Wikipedia, 3/5 ang sakop ng Mabalacat sa Clark. Bale 60% Mabalacat at 40% Angeles. Pero sabi sa article sa taas 75% sa Mabt? Bat ganun? Tapos nakiki-share pa ang towns ng Porac (southern Clark/Angeles) & Bamban/Capas (northern Clark/Mabt).

wackyjet26

July 25th, 2012, 02:20 AM

ano ba ang tamang term na tawag sa isang syudad na nakahiwalay sa province,,independent city o charter city?..ala lang.

librero

July 25th, 2012, 03:13 AM

Independent city...

technically, kapag talagang di na sakop ng probinsiya, it should be Highly Industrialized City (HUC)

Pampanga

July 25th, 2012, 03:22 AM

Congrats Mabalacat City

^^I'm in favor of Angeles and San Fernando Cities and Pampanga Thread

Angeles being HUC and City of San Fernando as a Pampanga Capital and CL Regional and Economic Center

Respect AC being HUC and respect CSF being Capital and Regional and Economic Center period

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 03:25 AM

I doubt if sa Dau ang Fort Stotsenburg. I made a research & accdg to Clark's history nasa Sapang Bato ang Fort Stotsenburg. Dun natransfer ang American camp from its original location sa Lourdes Sur (also in Angeles). Nagkataon lng cguro malapit ang Dau sa Sapang Bato. Look at SM Clark na sakop ng Malabanias pero tabing tabi sya mismo ng Balibago na. U get wut I mean?

Di ko po sinabing sa Dau itinatag ang Fort Stotsenburg, malayo ang Dau sa Sapang Bato. Ang sinasabi kong nasa Dau ang yung pillars nya...ito yun.
http://en.wikipilipinas.org/images/thumb/1/16/CurrentStotPost.jpg/220px-CurrentStotPost.jpg
Yan ang ginawang temporary relocation site noong nagka lahar. Sa tingin ko giniba na rin to mga pillars na ito kasi sakop na ito ng GGLC.

Also sabi sa Wikipedia, 3/5 ang sakop ng Mabalacat sa Clark. Bale 60% Mabalacat at 40% Angeles. Pero sabi sa article sa taas 75% sa Mabt? Bat ganun? Tapos nakiki-share pa ang towns ng Porac (southern Clark/Angeles) & Bamban/Capas (northern Clark/Mabt).

Check nyo po ulit. 75% percent na po ang nakalagay :lol:. U get wut I mean?

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 03:51 AM

librero

July 25th, 2012, 04:01 AM

Wikipedia is not a reliable source sir... It's better kung kumuha kayo ng ibang mas credible source para maging masigla at katiwa-tiwala ang discussion... :)

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 04:09 AM

Pano nyo po nasabi na malayo ang Sapang Bato sa Dau? It's better if we cud have a map of each brgy of Mabt & Angeles to see how proximal Sapang Bato is to Dau. Between Dau & Sapang Bato, alin ang mas malapit sa Parade Ground? Kaya nga ba may Sapang Bato gate near F. Stotsenburg? Unless there's a proof to discredit Fort Stotsenburg as Sapang Bato, we'll leave it as it is. I checked the Wikipedia entry on Mabt. LOL! Bat ganun?!? Kahapon lng chineck ko yan sabi 3/5 (60%) of Clark belongs to Mabt pero ngayon 75% na? Tapos ala pang sourceSSS to verify it. Hmmm I smell something...

Wikipedia is not a reliable source sir... It's better kung kumuha kayo ng ibang mas credible source para maging masigla at katiwa-tiwala ang discussion... :)

^^ Ditto, yun ang point ko, anyone can edit wikipedia. Ako po ang naglagay nyan para mapakita ko sa inyo how unreliable ang wikipedia.

I know na malayo ang Dau sa Sapang Bato kasi sa Dau po ako nakatira. ang Sapang Bato, nasa dulo ng Angeles

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 04:11 AM

Kaya nga eh. Shock tuloy ako coz bigla na lng naging 75% sakop ng Mabt sa Clark, from 60% (3/5) kahapon! Ala man lng sourcesssss for d claim. Hahahaha! Sino kaya nag-edit nun? May hint kayo?

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 04:17 AM

At alam nyo rin na malayong malayo ang Fort Stotsenburg sa Dau kumpara sa Fort Stotsenburg sa SapangBato? I worked at etelcare (formerly Clark FEN station) which is next to Fort Stotsenburg. Walking distance lng ang fence sa Sapang Bato.

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 04:21 AM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/526542_3486581733139_1320509099_n.jpg

Fort Stotsenburg Gate Posts

These posts stood at the the Dau Gate, the first gateway to Fort Stotsenburg and Clark Field from the early 1900 until the Japanese occupation in 1942. The Japanese dug them and used them for landfill. The posts were unearthed intact in the Area in 1965. There were several plans to move them elsewhere but in 1984 the US Air Force finally chose the parade grounds as the final erection spot for the posts.

Source (http://www.visitclark.com/whattosee_landmarks.html)

Im not talking about this tho, meron pa ring fort stotsenburg pillar sa Dau, i'll search for it

Anyway regarding sa nilipatan nya na parade grounds, sa Mabalacat pa rin po yon at hindi sa Sapang Bato. In fact, ang Mabalacat City Hall extension ay nandoon

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7013/6841265735_0571c18b80.jpg

if you check Clark Parade Grounds in panoramio, its like this....

World Map - Philippines - Central Luzon - Mabalacat

Clark Parade Grounds
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/46380568.jpg
Photo taken in Clark Freeport Zone, Mabalacat, Philippines

Link (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/46380568)

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 05:03 AM

Then ur saying Fort Stotsenburg never existed in Sapang Bato? How come history says otherwise?regrding Mabt extension hall, pwede nman magtayo Angeles extension kung gugustuhin nila pero it's not enough claim 2 say now na buong Stotsenburg nasa Mabt. I'm guessing kaya cguro ganun picture caption nun because of d Mabt extension nearby.

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 05:10 AM

^^ I'm talking about these Pillars since you're claiming that this is the current Fort Stotsenburg. Clark Air Base former name is Fort Stotsenburg and it is established in Sapang Bato. Its two different things

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 05:12 AM

Text from Clark Air Base history (source: Wikipedia): "In 1902, President Theodore Roosevelt signed an executive order on September 1, establishing 7,700 acres (31*km2) of land in Sapang Bato as Fort Stotsenburg (which later would expand to 156,204 acres (632.14*km2) in 1908 to become Clark Air Base). It was centered on what was Clark Air Base's parade ground in modern years." Dahil sa paglaki ng Clark eh dun lng nagkaparte ang Mabt, Porac, Bamban & Capas.

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 05:13 AM

Ok ok, namisinterpret kita. When u said Stotsenburg pillars, exactly wut r u referring to? Ang alam ko pillars are situated mismo sa Parade ground na sakop mismo ng Stotsenburg.

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 05:17 AM

If u think na ang parade ground is nasa Mabt,then nasaan ang Fort stotsenburg (Sapang Bato) where it all started? Cause ang alam ng lahat na Fort Stotsenburg is ung parade ground mismo where d pillars r erected.

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 05:21 AM

^^ lol @ wikipedia :lol:

Hindi po ang current location ng sinasabi nyong Fort Stotsenburg ang nasa Parade Grounds ngayon, in other words, hindi po doon itinatag ang Fort Stotsenburg kundi sa Sapang Bato nga. Ang current location po ng Fort Stotsenburg posts ay inilipat lang dyan dahil hinukay ito ng mga hapon dati mula sa original location nya sa Dau. Hindi po dahil dyan nakalagay ang pillars na yan ay dyan na na establish ang Fort Stotsenburg dahil kung susundin po ang logic nyo, sa Dau po unang inilagay ang mga yan at doon itinatag ang current Clark Air Base which is wrong.

Again basahin nyo po yung link ko sa taas, hindi dyan na erect ang Fort Stotsenburg Posts na yan

Eto, ulit yung link galing mismo sa Clark Freeport Zone http://www.visitclark.com/whattosee_landmarks.html

Fort Stotsenburg in Sapang Bato is history po, dahil napalitan na ito ng Clark Air Base, then finally, Naging Clark Freeport Zone na sya

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 05:37 AM

Lol! Then why did they have to call that parcel of land in Sapang Bato as Fort Stotsenburg for nothing? U don't get it. Fort Stotsenburg = Parade Ground. If not,then asan ang Fort Stotsenburg sa Sapang Bato. Ituro mo at pupuntahan ko. Ur ludicrously saying Stotsenburg in SBato is history, then it's true that it's what history is telling us. Pinagtatawanan mo pa Wikipedia eh ikaw mismo recently lang nag-edit sa Mabt entry claiming 75% of Clark sa Mabt.

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 05:42 AM

Eto ang understanding ko: Clark started as Fort Stotsenburg (now Parade Ground) in Sapang Bato, Angeles in 1902 > it expanded northward that occupied brgys in Mabt/Bamban and later became Clark Air Force Base. Ganun lng nman kasimple un pero for u 2 say na nilipat ang Fort Stotsenburg from Spang Bato to somewhere in Mabt is ridiculous. It's like saying nilipat ang Balibago from Angeles to Mabalacat. Looks like ur confused. Fort Stotsenburg is still within Clark even up to this day. At yun ang Parade ground na alam nating lahat.

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 05:47 AM

Don't laugh at Clark/Stotsenburg's history dahil kundi nman nagumpisa dyan ang lahat, do u think magbebenefit ang Mabt sa revenues sa Clark (na dating Fort Stotsenburg na ngayon ay Clark Freeport)?

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 05:47 AM

^^ lol I edited it para ipakita sayo kung gaano ka reliable ang Wikipedia, its just for fun. Fort Stotsenburg = Parade Grounds nowadays, maybe tama, dahil doon na nakalagay ang pillars ngayon but that doesn't mean doon na establish ang Fort Stotsenburg dahil nga inilipat lang doon ang mga yon. Paulit ulit nalang ako :nuts:. Okay, ikaw tatanungin ko, nasan source mo na ang Parade ground ay nasa Sapang Bato?

I'm not lauging at its history, I'm laughing at you.....there I said....

Eto ang understanding ko: Clark started as Fort Stotsenburg (now Parade Ground) in Sapang Bato, Angeles in 1902 > it expanded northward that occupied brgys in Mabt/Bamban and later became Clark Air Force Base. Ganun lng nman kasimple un pero for u 2 say na nilipat ang Fort Stotsenburg from Spang Bato to somewhere in Mabt is ridiculous. It's like saying nilipat ang Balibago from Angeles to Mabalacat.

May source ka po sa bolded part? If you have, then I rest my case and I stand corrected...

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 05:53 AM

Turn to Wikipedia and read the sources/references. Now ikaw ngayon, nasan ang Fort Stotsenburg sa Spang Bato na kine-claim mo di naman sa Parade Ground?

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 05:55 AM

U did say LOL at Wikipedia. Scroll up. Someone's having dementia.

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 05:55 AM

^^ Link please. Yung source ko, yung picture/link sa taas. Yung panoramio.

U did say LOL at Wikipedia. Scroll up. Someone's having dementia.

I'm LOLing at you using Wikipedia as source

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 05:57 AM

Sige try to confute na hindi naman pala sa Sapang Bato naestablish ang Stotsenburg. Cite the sources & baka maniwala pa ako sayo.

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 05:58 AM

LoL! Dahil lang sa caption eh reliable na sayo. Wikipedia is fine as long as may reference ang claim nila. Have u checked it? Eh bakit ikaw, ikaw mismo nageedit ng Wikipedia entry for Mabt, tapos ako pagtatawanan mo for using it as a source. Then a big LOL at u!

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 06:03 AM

Kung yabg caption din lang pala magpapaniwala sayo, then sige let's pretend na tama lahat addresses sa lahat ng websites. Yahoo Travel showing Holiday Inn Clark as Angeles City?

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 06:08 AM

O sya ako'y matutulog pa't night shift ako. Buhay BPO.

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 06:13 AM

Sige try to confute na hindi naman pala sa Sapang Bato naestablish ang Stotsenburg. Cite the sources & baka maniwala pa ako sayo.

Hala, Kelan ko nasabi na hindi sa Sapang Bato na establish ang Fort Stotsenburg?

Hindi po ang current location ng sinasabi nyong Fort Stotsenburg ang nasa Parade Grounds ngayon, in other words, hindi po doon itinatag ang Fort Stotsenburg kundi sa Sapang Bato nga.

:nuts:

LoL! Dahil lang sa caption eh reliable na sayo. Wikipedia is fine as long as may reference ang claim nila. Have u checked it? Eh bakit ikaw, ikaw mismo nageedit ng Wikipedia entry for Mabt, tapos ako pagtatawanan mo for using it as a source. Then a big LOL at u!

Okay, na check ko po ang Wikipedia para pagbigyan ka and ito po ang nabasa ko

Origins

By October 1902, American forces had established more or less permanent quarters near the Angeles railroad station in an area of the town known as Talimundoc (now the barangay of Lourdes Sur). The rumor is that cavalry foragers had come across a fertile plain further to the north and that sweet grass was abundant in this area. The U.S. cavalry forces had encountered problems caused by the fact that their horses became sick and often died after eating Philippine "sawgrass."

By the latter part of 1902, plans were under consideration to relocate the American military reservation to this area near the barrio of Sapang Bato. The preliminary survey dates from 1902. In the following year, President Theodore Roosevelt signed an executive order, establishing Fort Stotsenburg in the location later occupied by Clark Air Base.

Facilities and structures

Gateposts

The Stotsenburg pillars at their current location
The entrance pillars to Fort Stotsenburg were originally located on what is now known as Dau Highway. During the Japanese occupation of Clark Air Base from 1942 to 1945, Imperial forces used these pillars for fill material during their repairs to the base runway. They were unearthed intact in the vicinity of the old Base Operations Building in 1965. Following their discovery, the original pillars were relocated near the Consolidated Base Personnel Office, which at that time served as the on-base American Legion Post.
In 1984, as part of an overall plan to highlight the base's long history, the 13th Air Force History Office received permission to move the gateposts once again. Because putting them at their original site would have placed them in an area which possessed low visibility, it was decided to install them on the southern boundary of the parade ground instead. Special crews and a giant crane rented from a company in Manila moved the posts in what turned out to be an all-day affair. Quite a number of onlookers viewed the move and cheered as the last post was dropped into its new position.

Fort Stotsenburg Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Stotsenburg)

Okay, san po dyan ang nagsasabing ang pinagtayuan ng mga Pillars sa Parade Ground na establish ang Fort Stotsenburg?

And nasan po ang mga sinasabi nyong reference sa page na to? Ba't wala akong makita :lol::nuts::lol:

Lol at the Wikipedia entry, ngayon ko lang pinakialaman para ipakita sayo na hindi reliable ito. Geez. Hindi lang yan basta caption ng kung saan saang site gaya ng Yahoo, Panoramia yan, pinapakita ang pictures ng iba't ibang lugar based sa google map

O sya ako'y matutulog pa't night shift ako. Buhay BPO.

Oh nag work ka na pala, sensya na, kala ko elementary kausap ko. Night po

librero

July 25th, 2012, 06:21 AM

Guys, I suggest, stop using wikipedia as a source. it will bring you nowhere. Ngaun kung me source yung article na galing sa wikipedia, try to check that source. many wikipedia sources are bogus or yung mismong source nila ay hindi rin naman reliable...

get more reliable, established website, written by credible person or organization, or better yet, consult a published book. I think, marami namang book ang na-publish na regarding Pampanga and Angeles...

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 06:21 AM

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 06:26 AM

Kung ako elementary, u might as well be a toddler. Don't start it.

librero

July 25th, 2012, 06:29 AM

Guys... this is getting personal... Rebutt arguments with sound arguments please...

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 06:33 AM

LOL! Pillars lng pala pinagbasehan mo. Jst because they were put up there doesn't necessarily mean un na mismo ang site ng Fort Stotsenburg. Let's assume na maybe because of its proximity to d main highway (Dau Hwy)? A good analogy: bat kaya tinayo main gate ng Clark sa Angeles when in fact, mas malaki ang sakop ng Mabt? Is it because of its accessibility more than anything else?

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 06:36 AM

LoL! Di naman pillars ang main focus natin. I was stressing ang pinagmulan ng Clark. Kaya lng nman those pillars were brought up dahil isiningit mo na kesyo malapit sa Dau yadda yadda... Stay on topic! So wut I was trying to say is ang Fort Stotsenburg is the same as Parade Ground where the pillars are now situated. Tapos bigla mong sinabi na Mabt ang Parade Ground. What in the world???? Ang di ko maintindihan talaga sayo is why were u IMPLYING Fort Stotsenburg being in Sapang Bato is history dahil "clark air base/freeport" na ngayon? That's what's perceivable to me.

Quoting myself...

Pero yung Fort Stotsenburg Pillars, sa may Dau na yun, dun kasi kami nagpi-picnic, nag ba-barbeque at naglalaro nung bata pa ko. Malapit lang sa bahay namin

Di ko po sinabing sa Dau itinatag ang Fort Stotsenburg, malayo ang Dau sa Sapang Bato. Ang sinasabi kong nasa Dau ang yung pillars nya...ito yun.

Kaya nga, I was talking about the Pillars. Bukod po sa Pillars sa Parade Ground, may Pillars din sa Dau CABCOM (Clark Air Base Command) at yun ang tinutukoy ko. Kanina ko pa sinasabi sayo.

Ang sinasabi nyo po kasi, sa parade grounds na establish ang Fort Stotsenburg. Nasan po ang source nyo? Dahil ang alam ko, part ng Mabalacat ang Parade Grounds.

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 06:37 AM

Librero, i won't have a nasty trick to pull as long as i'm not triggered. He/she was the 1st one to stir it up by saying nasa primary school ako. So i'll shut when i need to.

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 06:40 AM

@Librero, sensya na, ganun talaga ako pag inuulit ulit ko nalang ang sinasabi ko

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 06:40 AM

If u think na ang Parade Ground (aka F Stotsenburg) is in Mabt, ano un naglaho ang Stitsenburg sa Sapang Bato? Ala din ako makita to say and to make me believe na iba ang Parade ground sa Stotsenburg. If they're totally not the same,then what does Sapang Bato have to do with its history???????? It isnt my fault if the links are no longer working pero they used to & I checked 'em all before & they indeed supported the claims.

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 06:46 AM

^^ Doon nga na establish ang fort stotsenburg, sa Sapang Bato. May part ng Sapang Bato sa Clark, it could be anywhere there. Ang Parade Grounds ang napiling pinaglipatan lang ng mga Pillars na yan noong 1984. Maraming pinagpilian kung saan ililipat yan, so kung hindi dyan napunta yan, kunyari sa may Main Gate ang napiling paglagyan nyan. Would you still argue na Sapang Bato/Original Fort Stotsenburg ang Main Gate?

These posts stood at the the Dau Gate, the first gateway to Fort Stotsenburg and Clark Field from the early 1900 until the Japanese occupation in 1942. The Japanese dug them and used them for landfill. The posts were unearthed intact in the Area in 1965. There were several plans to move them elsewhere but in 1984 the US Air Force finally chose the parade grounds as the final erection spot for the posts.

From Clark Freeport Tourism Site (http://www.visitclark.com/whattosee_landmarks.html)

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 06:47 AM

@Librero, sensya na, ganun talaga ako pag inuulit ulit ko nalang ang sinasabi ko

Then refrain urself from saying nasty remarks. Keep ur cool. U won't hear me say bad things as long as I'm not provoked. Pero really, I'm not convinced sa links mo. And if nakukulitan ka, it's because you're not surefooted w/ ur claims. Otherwise, I'll stick to what I hear & read with more credible sources I guess.

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 06:52 AM

^^ cool pa ko nyan, sa Clark Airport Thread nga may nasabihan akong bobo :lol:.

Anyway wala ka naman mabigay na kahit anong source. So I rest my case

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 06:53 AM

Then un nga challenge ko sayo. Tell me where this so-called Fort Stitsenburg in Sapang Bato is since u claim na it is't where it is now. If links lang naman ihaharap mo sa kin, wag na lang. If maturo mo where in Angeles it is, I'll rest my case. Pupuntahan ko mismo since andito lang naman ako sa Pampanga. If ala kang ma-point where it is, sorry but your claims would be as credulous.

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 07:00 AM

Kahit maghanap ka pa ng maghanap. Wala na talaga ngayon, pupuntahan mo pa talaga :lol:. Its just part of the history, walang sinabing specific place sa Sapang Bato kung saan itinatag ito.

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 07:05 AM

Hey, it's not JUST part of our history. We wouldn't be where we are now without it. Ur statement's kind of derogating. Well, again if u can't prove me that F Stotsenburg isn't where it is now by telling me where the camp was originally located, we'll leave it as it is: For Stotsenburg in Sapang Bato = Parade Ground. Point blank.

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 07:45 AM

^^ Whats derogatory about that? Being part of the history will always be a proud moment for Sapang Bato.

Let me rephrase your statement. If I can't tell you where the original camp of Fort Stotsenburg is, then you'll leave it as it is in your own mind that For Stotsenburg in Sapang Bato = Parade Ground. Point blank

Karisma

July 25th, 2012, 07:58 AM

OT

Breaking News:

My favorite Cabalen PGMA has release order any moment from now pwde na siya makauwi sa bahay niya La Vista.

niceone! may congresswoman na kami ulet na makakalibot at matugunan ang needs sa 2nd District.

librero

July 25th, 2012, 08:01 AM

Mejo nalito na ko sa pinagtalunan nio... parang me na-lost na meaning somewhere...

hindi ko lang ma-pinpoint...

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 08:43 AM

I'll Drop the subject na....medyo ang cheap, park lang pinagaagawan pa :lol:. Sinabi lang sa article na na post ko na 75% ng Clark ay sa Mabalacat, nag react na, isinama pa ang Fort Stotsenburg na inestablish sa barangay Sapang Bato, Angeles City.

@Librero, you know how to put reference sa Wikipedia? Na edit ko kanina dahil sa kanya e, pangatawanan ko na, lagay ko na yung sources hehehehe.

Anyway malapit nang mapalitan ang thread. Like most of here said, Angeles City and Pampanga Province ang most appropriate title nito since 2 na ang component cities ng Pampanga, unless gusto nilang isama ang dalawang yun sa thread name :eek:

TheJMP617

July 25th, 2012, 12:17 PM

Anyway regarding sa nilipatan nya na parade grounds, sa Mabalacat pa rin po yon at hindi sa Sapang Bato. In fact, ang Mabalacat City Hall extension ay nandoon

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7013/6841265735_0571c18b80.jpg

Well, whenever I ask people if the Parade Grounds is part of Angeles or Mabalacat, the answer was always Angeles except for one relative. :)

TheJMP617

July 25th, 2012, 12:23 PM

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TheJMP617

July 25th, 2012, 12:32 PM

Land development in Don Bosco Compund, Brgy Mabiga, Mabalacat City

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TheJMP617

July 25th, 2012, 12:49 PM

10 Cargo, Commercial Aircraft Diverted To CIAC On Bad Weather

July 25, 2012, 3:22pm

CLARK FREEPORT – At least 10 cargo and commercial aircraft were diverted to Clark International Airport here early Tuesday due to bad weather in China.

Clark International Airport Corporation (CIAC) President and CEO Victor Jose I. Luciano said that eight cargo aircraft of the United Parcel Service (UPS) including two Boeing 757, four Boeing 767, one MD-11 and one Being 747 and commercial air carriers of Hong Kong Express A-287 and Jet Aviation F-900LX aircraft landed at about 1:15 a.m. at the runways of Clark International Airport due to heavy rains in China especially in Shenzen were the operations of American firm UPS is based in China.

“Bad weather in China forced the eight cargo planes of UPS and two commercial aircraft to land at Clark Airport, heavy rains also occurred in Taiwan, and Hong Kong,” Luciano said.

“This only showed that Clark International Airport is ready 24/7 to accommodate diverted flights because we have the complete navigational facilities,” he added.

“Clark Airport can even accommodate 40 aircraft in our wide parking space here, Clark Airport is always ready,” Luciano stressed.

He said that navigational facilities such as the Instrument Landing System (ILS) as well as the DVOR are working round the clock to guide all types of aircraft landing at Clark International Airport. However, the navigational facilities of the airport will soon be upgraded were some P200 million have been allotted by the CIAC management. But this upgrading will undergo bidding process for the upgrading of the navigational facilities as part of the modernization of the Clark International Airport. About P200-million funds would come from the P1-billion loan facility obtained by CIAC from the Land Bank of the Philippines early this year.

“This is part of our program for the upgrading and modernization of our systems at the airport, aside from the development of the Passenger Terminal.”

Luciano explained that the P1-billion loan facility from the Land Bank of the Phlippines have yet to be released and has remained intact. Part of the loan will also be used for construction of the P360-million Phase II expansion of the Passenger Terminal which is currently under evaluation. The existing terminal has a capacity of at least 2 million passengers annually.

Source (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/367309/10-cargo-commercial-aircraft-diverted-to-ciac-on-bad-weather)

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Weeee! I spotted the UPS Boeing 747 and the Jet Aviation F-900LX Aircrafts! :colgate:

librero

July 25th, 2012, 01:19 PM

Hard rain is hardly an environmental problem...

TheJMP617

July 25th, 2012, 01:54 PM

Hard rain is hardly an environmental problem...

Yup it's not but it comes with global warming too in some way.

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 01:56 PM

Well, whenever I ask people if the Parade Grounds is part of Angeles or Mabalacat, the answer was always Angeles except for one relative. :)

If you ask people where Clark is, most answers will be Angeles. Common misconception.

librero

July 25th, 2012, 01:59 PM

Para sa akin, mas ok pang gawin na lang special municipality ang Clark para hindi na nagkakalituhan sa boundary...

para sa akin lang po... :)

TheJMP617

July 25th, 2012, 02:03 PM

If you ask people where Clark is, most answers will be Angeles. Common misconception.

Well if I ask about the whole Clark, I usually get the right answer which is part Angeles, part Mabalacat. :colgate:

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 02:14 PM

If you ask people where Clark is, most answers will be Angeles. Common misconception.
It's not a misconception, rather it's a fact that Clark is in Angeles, with a territorial jurisdiction being shared with Mabalacat, Porac in Pampanga & Bamban, Capas in Tarlac.

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 02:20 PM

Well, whenever I ask people if the Parade Grounds is part of Angeles or Mabalacat, the answer was always Angeles except for one relative. :)
Being too proximal to Sapang Bato gate, what would u expect? And yeah isa din ako sa naniniwalang parte ng Angeles un, but I don't deny the fact na mas malaki share ng Mabt sa buong freeport in comparison to Angeles.

TheJMP617

July 25th, 2012, 02:33 PM

Being too proximal to Sapang Bato gate, what would u expect? And yeah isa din ako sa naniniwalang parte ng Angeles un, but I don't deny the fact na mas malaki share ng Mabt sa buong freeport in comparison to Angeles.

It's not a misconception, rather it's a fact that Clark is in Angeles, with a territorial jurisdiction being shared with Mabalacat, Porac in Pampanga & Bamban, Capas in Tarlac.

Definitely Mabalacat has the larger part of Clark.

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 02:56 PM

main gate is just few steps away from mabalacat. until we don't have a map, we can't prove anything. i'll just stick with the fact that cfz is 95% mabalacat

librero

July 25th, 2012, 03:03 PM

^^Oops... is it 95% or 75% koya nick?

TheJMP617

July 25th, 2012, 03:15 PM

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sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 03:43 PM

^^Oops... is it 95% or 75% koya nick?

LOL! Parang narinig ko na yan sa mga press release ni Boking. Oh well..... Yes tama si kuya Nick, unless walang map, we'll stick to what was stated before: 3/5 Mabt & 2/5 Angeles. As to why alang Porac, Bamban & Capas, I dunno d answer to that.

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 04:30 PM

^^Oops... is it 95% or 75% koya nick?

95% is pertaining to Clark Freeport Zone (Ang Main Zone ng Clark na nakabakod). Dito nakatayo ang Clark Airport, Hotels, Leisure Parks at lahat ng Industrial sites sa Clark.

Iba pa ang yung Clark Special Economic Zone na mostly belongs to Mabalacat, and the rest is shared by Angeles, Porac, Bamban and Capas.

LOL! Parang narinig ko na yan sa mga press release ni Boking. Oh well..... Yes tama si kuya Nick, unless walang map, we'll stick to what was stated before: 3/5 Mabt & 2/5 Angeles. As to why alang Porac, Bamban & Capas, I dunno d answer to that.

Actually, si Ed Pamintuan mismo ang nagsabi nyan, Mayor ng Angeles. And san mo naman nakuha yang 3/5, 2/5 na yan? sa Wikipedia kanina na wala namang source?

SCADC & LGUs: Partners for Progress and Development (Part VIII)
by Edgardo “EDPAM” Pamintuan

Under the SCAD SCoLUP Study that I have been discussing in Agyu Tamu! Atbp articles, great things are in store for Mabalacat which is a major component of the Metro-Clark Area (MCA), like Angeles City, San Fernando City, and Bamban of Tarlac.

I had discussed in past articles the bright prospects for Angeles City as envisioned in the SCoLUP Study, and I will now talk about what the Study has envisioned for Mabalacat.

But first a statement of certain technical data or important facts about Mabalacat. With its land area of 15,262 hectares, Mabalacat constitutes seven (7%) percent of the total land area of Pampanga; it is more than d\twice the land area of Angeles City which has only 6,217.37 hectares. Of Mabalacat’s total land area, about 7370 hectares are agricultural lands; of these only some 2860 hectares (or about 38.9%) are productive while some 4500 hectares (or 61%) are under-utilized. About 2445 hectares of the productive areas are planted to crops; 615 hectares are for fishpond; some 88 hectares, for livestock; and 320 hectares, for pasture grazing.

Rice is the most dominant crop, with 900 hectares or 38% of the productive areas being devoted to rice production; sugarcane is the second most important crop, with some 500 hectares devoted to it; the soil characteristics of lahar are best suited to sugarcane. Root crops, cassava and camote occupy almost 400 hectares; while orchards (mangoes and tropical fruits), 170 hectares.

Mabalacat has the great fortune that some 4200 hectares of its land areas are situated inside the fenced 4440-hectare of the Clark Freeport Zone (thereby constituting nearly 95% of the whole economic Freeport zone; also some 4000 hectares of the 34,000 hectares of the Clark sub-zone across the Sacobia River (the whole area was declared Clark Special Economic Zone under Republic Act No. 9400) form part of Mabalacat’s land area. No other town in Pampanga or any province in Central Luzon has had such great fortune or enjoys such great economic advantage and immeasurable opportunities for growth and development.

With the planned road systems and infrastructure/utilities for the MCA, such as those mentioned in last weeks Agyu Tamu article, movement of goods and services within and around Mabalacat and from there to outside towns and cities will be facilitated. Mabalacat’s productive and manufacturing and industrial capacities, its trade and commerce, and social and development programs will naturally create volume in population, products, services, and traffic.

The proposed Central Business District (CBD) in Mabalacat will generate traffic along the municipality’s major roads; road projects that would improve circulation within the CBD and improve its linkages to other urban centers must be encouraged, e.g. the Panday Pira road project, access road from MacArthur Hi-way to CBD, etc. Creation of programs that would encourage development of the industrial sector must deserve serious attention; the eco-tourism potentials of the upland areas should be harnessed. It is important to initiate action to identify/develop a network of parks that ca be inter-connected as a park system or parkway that ca be developed as green corridors in the future; the ideal location for park system are riverbanks of which there are plentiful in Mabalacat, particularly in Sacobia.

I can see a time when Mabalacat is the most progressive town (or City!) in the whole Central Luzon, given the great treasures it now holds.

I will take you to the Metro Subic Area (MSA) in next week’s issue of Agyu Tamu! Atbp; and after that, to the Metro Tarlac Area (MTA), to complete our discussion of the SCAD Corridor Land Use Plan study. See you again next week, Mabuhay!

Source (http://punto.com.ph/news/printpage/4751)

I don't speak without sources.

And given the right leaders, I definitely agree with Mabalacat being the most progressive city in Central Luzon, with Clark and the Airport, NLEX and SCTEX.

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 04:32 PM

sisigman

July 25th, 2012, 04:48 PM

Para sa akin, mas ok pang gawin na lang special municipality ang Clark para hindi na nagkakalituhan sa boundary...

para sa akin lang po... :)

I don't know of a freeport/SEZ na ginawang municipality/city sa Pinas. Atsaka that's betrayal to the actual cities/municipalities kung saan nakatirik ang Clark. Supposing na ipush ng Senado na humiwalay ang Clark as a separate political unit, sa plebiscite pa lang sa concerned towns/cities, sigurado akong NO na ang mangingibabaw na vote.

hindi lang naman Clark ang tumatapak sa maraming territories. Pati naman yung Hermosa Special Economic Zone, at marami pang iba.

tayo lang naman ang nalilito sa boundary kasi walang accessible info sa Internet. pero ang mga LGU's alam nila ang boundaries ng Clark at may records sila nito. you can always ask the Information Offices para malaman talaga ang boundaries

sisigman

July 25th, 2012, 04:49 PM

LOL! Parang narinig ko na yan sa mga press release ni Boking. Oh well..... Yes tama si kuya Nick, unless walang map, we'll stick to what was stated before: 3/5 Mabt & 2/5 Angeles. As to why alang Porac, Bamban & Capas, I dunno d answer to that.

Clark Freeport Zone = Angeles/Mabalacat, mostly Mabalacat

Clark Special Economic Zone (AKA Clark Subzone) = Angeles/Mabalacat/Porac/Bamban/Capas

gets?

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 04:53 PM

Btw nakalaya na si Gloria, pero wala syang balak pumunta ng Lubao.

librero

July 25th, 2012, 05:02 PM

I don't know of a freeport/SEZ na ginawang municipality/city sa Pinas. Atsaka that's betrayal to the actual cities/municipalities kung saan nakatirik ang Clark. Supposing na ipush ng Senado na humiwalay ang Clark as a separate political unit, sa plebiscite pa lang sa concerned towns/cities, sigurado akong NO na ang mangingibabaw na vote.

hindi lang naman Clark ang tumatapak sa maraming territories. Pati naman yung Hermosa Special Economic Zone, at marami pang iba.

tayo lang naman ang nalilito sa boundary kasi walang accessible info sa Internet. pero ang mga LGU's alam nila ang boundaries ng Clark at may records sila nito. you can always ask the Information Offices para malaman talaga ang boundaries

got your point mate...

pero what i mean is that, kapag ginawang municipality ang clark, hindi na malilito tao sa boundary... xempre, yung mga ordinaryong tao, hindi naman pupunta yan sa munisipyo para i-clear dun kung hanggang saan ba ang sakop ng ganitong bayan... kumbaga, sa mga casual talk na kailangan ng mabilisang sagot na hindi mo na kailangang, mag-search pa, mas madaling sabihing municipality of clarck na yan, walang mabalacat, walang angeles... parang ganung tipo lang...

pero hindi ko naman ina-advocate na maging hiwalay talagang municipality ang clarck... i understand na talagang unfair yun sa mga may sakop sa kanyang bayan... :)

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 05:09 PM

Sangil: Ed Pamintuan, Lucky Guy

There are more malls in the City of San Fernando than any city in the country. More than what they have in Cebu and Davao. At long last Nanay Baby Pineda and Mayor Oca Rodriguez were together even for a few hours during the opening of the second SM mall in the central business district of the city. I wonder if they talked about the forthcoming 2013 elections.

Full Article (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/pampanga/opinion/2012/07/25/sangil-ed-pamintuan-lucky-guy-233986)

Oopps, he's got a lot of guts mentioning specific cities.

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Mabalacat exhibit in SM Pampanga
https://p.twimg.com/Ayp-JSDCMAA6bN6.jpg

source (http://pic.twitter.com/mdIGP1EH)

^^ I can't identify some buildings

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 05:27 PM

Actually, si Ed Pamintuan mismo ang nagsabi nyan, Mayor ng Angeles. And san mo naman nakuha yang 3/5, 2/5 na yan? sa Wikipedia kanina na wala namang source? SCTEX. Oo sa Wikipedia where you're an editor urself. LOL! If may time ako sige hahanap ako ng sources, RELIABLE po that is, kasi if puro claims lng nman ni ganitong mayor eh I don't think may patutunguhan topic na ito. I believe CDC is the only one that can provide us a credible source as to how much Mabt or Angeles covers Clark. Would be ideal if may map talaga to show the territory of each city/town. Unless we get facts that would disprove these claims straight from d horse's mouth, I'll stick to what I believe in & ur free to do so urself.

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 05:33 PM

^^ For the nth time, I don't edit Wikipedia, I just did it to prove to you how unreliable it is.

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 05:34 PM

Clark Freeport Zone = Angeles/Mabalacat, mostly Mabalacat

Clark Special Economic Zone (AKA Clark Subzone) = Angeles/Mabalacat/Porac/Bamban/Capas

gets?

Yes, alam ko naman na yan. My point is ilang % kaya nacocover of the other towns? But then alang sources that will feed us any info.

sisigman

July 25th, 2012, 05:36 PM

sisigman

July 25th, 2012, 05:38 PM

got your point mate...

pero what i mean is that, kapag ginawang municipality ang clark, hindi na malilito tao sa boundary...

but that's not a convincing motivation to make Clark a separate political unit di ba? Just for people to have clear boundary information, gagawing separate ang Clark? wouldnt it be easier to come up with an official map :)

sisigman

July 25th, 2012, 05:40 PM

Yes, alam ko naman na yan. My point is ilang % kaya nacocover of the other towns? But then alang sources that will feed us any info.

that was not your point.

"As to why alang Porac, Bamban & Capas (sa Freeport), I dunno d answer to that," you said. mas okay na ang klaro. Di percentage ang inaalam mo, kundi kung bakit walang percentage ang porac, bamban, capas sa CFZ. hence, my answer - CFZ is just between Angeles and Mabalacat. The subzone is where the other towns come in.

Remember that CFZ is different from CSEZ

but then since namention mo na, that's a valid inquiry for us to find out

mnemonick

July 25th, 2012, 05:42 PM

^^ Noted. But I'd rather see any official documentations (maps or RAs).

librero

July 25th, 2012, 05:47 PM

but that's not a convincing motivation to make Clark a separate political unit di ba? Just for people to have clear boundary information, gagawing separate ang Clark? wouldnt it be easier to come up with an official map :)

and always bring it para pag may nagtanong, ilalabas mo yung mapa para ipakita sa kanya... pwede rin... :)

oh well, napag-uusapan lang... alam mo yung mga panahong nagkukuwentuhan kayo ng kaibigan mo and you have this silly idea that you brought up? parang ganun lang naman ang sitwasyon kanina nung na-brought up ko yan (dulot na rin ng pagtatalo ng 2 ka-forumer natin)...

kumbaga, i brought up the idea pero have no intention to push it through... Ang hirap ipaliwanag ng ibig kong sabihin... heheh... pacenxa na...

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 06:00 PM

Clark Parade Grounds is within Angeles territory (Sapangbato), according to a person who works for the Subic-Clark Alliance Development Council. Angeles territory ends on the street where the Mabalacat Hall Annex is erected.

I couldn't agree more. I asked some older folks too from Sapang Bato saying un nga ang dating Fort Stotsenburg.

sanfernandino2012

July 25th, 2012, 06:16 PM

that was not your point.

"As to why alang Porac, Bamban & Capas (sa Freeport), I dunno d answer to that," you said. mas okay na ang klaro. Di percentage ang inaalam mo, kundi kung bakit walang percentage ang porac, bamban, capas sa CFZ. hence, my answer - CFZ is just between Angeles and Mabalacat. The subzone is where the other towns come but then since namention mo na, that's a valid inquiry for us to find out
Nope, that was my point. My bad if I misguided u. I was pertaining to d whole Clark (main & subzones) & that's why I brought up the tiwns of Porac & Bamban. I wonder if kasama Porac dun sa claim na 2/5 ng Angeles o un Bamban/Capas sa 3/5 ng Mabt. That's what I was trying to say.

sisigman

July 25th, 2012, 07:24 PM

new Angeles City SULAGPO TANA music video... created by one of us here in SSC ;)

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SkyHigh11

July 26th, 2012, 03:32 AM

and always bring it para pag may nagtanong, ilalabas mo yung mapa para ipakita sa kanya... pwede rin... :)

oh well, napag-uusapan lang... alam mo yung mga panahong nagkukuwentuhan kayo ng kaibigan mo and you have this silly idea that you brought up? parang ganun lang naman ang sitwasyon kanina nung na-brought up ko yan (dulot na rin ng pagtatalo ng 2 ka-forumer natin)...

kumbaga, i brought up the idea pero have no intention to push it through... Ang hirap ipaliwanag ng ibig kong sabihin... heheh... pacenxa na...

Sir, I get your point and I don't see anything wrong with your intentions :)

sisigman

July 26th, 2012, 04:08 AM

a great way to ruin your day :lol:

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‘Done deal’
No need for PNoy to mention CIA in SONA
By Joey Pavia

Jul 24, 2012

ANGELES CITY – Residents of Pampanga, including members of a group pushing for full development of the Clark International Airport (CIA) as the country’s next premiere gateway, were disappointed after President Aquino failed to mention the CIA in his State of the Nation Address (SONA) on Monday.

Aquino cited the government’s aggressive plans to improve the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) in Pasay City and other provincial airports, including Palawan.

Ruperto “Perto” Cruz, chairman of the Pinoy Gumising Ka Movement (PGKM) which has lobbied for the development of the CIA since the 1990s, said he received a call from newspaper columnist Lourdes “Deedee” Siytangco on Tuesday and they spoke about the CIA and Aquino’s 3rd SONA. Siytangco was a close confidant of the late President Corazon Aquino and her children.

Cruz said Siytangco called him up shortly after arriving from Canada and told him that Aquino did not mention the CIA in his SONA because “it’s a done deal.”

“I was told by Deedee that the president need not repeat in the SONA his instructions to the Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) to fully prepare and develop the Clark airport,” said Cruz.

He cited the statements of DOTC Sec. Mar Roxas last June during the launching of Philippines AirAsia’ flights to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia here when the cabinet secretary announced that Aquino endorsed the P12 -billion budget terminal at the CIA.

Cruz said Roxas and Clark International Airport Corp. (CIAC) President and CEO Victor Jose Luciano “apparently defied” the order of Aquino to develop the 2,400-hectare Clark Aviation Complex and its airport.

“There’s not even a drawing of any planned terminal,” Cruz said.

Cruz decried the DOTC’s recent approval of P100 million budget for a feasibility study of the CIA as “a delaying tactic.”

“What’s there to study? Luciano has been at Clark for many years and it seems he is always back to the drawing board,” said Cruz.

The PGKM chairman said Roxas has been with the DOTC for about one year and he must have done significant projects for the CIA. He added that he had received reports that Roxas as acting chairman of the CIAC board had not attended even just a single board meeting since last year.

“It’s all lip service on the part of Luciano and Roxas. Worse, President Aquino’s good intentions and plans for Clark and nearby provinces had been derailed by the persistent perception that Roxas and Luciano are delaying the full development of our airport ,” said Cruz.

Cruz said that if Roxas and Luciano “are sincere they must post billboards to show to the public the plans of the new planned terminals at Clark.”

“What if they used all the funds and we end up with a poor airport terminal. Who do we run after? Besides, it’s a must to be open and transparent when government projects are involved,” said Cruz.

ibatan (http://punto.com.ph/News/Article/14935/Volume-6-No-24/Headlines/u-%E2%80%98Done-deal%E2%80%99-u-br-No-need-for-PNoy-to-mention-CIA-in-SONA)

sisigman

July 26th, 2012, 04:12 AM

opening video para sa State of the City Address (SOCA) ni EdPam sa Marquee Mall nung last week Wed.

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sisigman

July 27th, 2012, 05:17 AM

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Clark’s $400-M golf project
Environmentalists cry degradation
By Joey Pavia

Jul 26, 2012

Angeles City – Local environmentalists on Thursday slammed national government agencies, including the Clark Development Corp. (CDC), for allowing and “even praising” the $400-million Korean tourism estate project that destroyed trees and scraped portions of a mountain at Clark to pave the way for a 36-hole golf course.

read full
(http://punto.com.ph/News/Article/14957/Volume-6-No-25/Headlines/Clark%E2%80%99s-400-M-golf-project-br-i-Environmentalists-cry-degradation-i)

seoung bum

July 27th, 2012, 07:36 AM

kung gusto niyong maging updated sa mga current events and development sa gglc at clark, u can browse their news letter at this link....http://www.gglc.ph/dl_newsletter.html
HELLO everyone :))

Pidjüng

July 27th, 2012, 07:39 AM

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seoung bum

July 27th, 2012, 07:42 AM

http://youtu.be/7K1N9Hnz9aA

a new development by koreans...u can check their website at http://hankookcondo.com/

seoung bum

July 27th, 2012, 07:51 AM

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a new development by koreans...u can check their website at http://hankookcondo.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K1N9Hnz9aA

Pidjüng

July 27th, 2012, 07:55 AM

SM City San Fernando Blessing & Grand Opening 7.20.2012 By JM Productions

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Lazatin's Heritage House Near SM City San Fernando

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Pidjüng

July 27th, 2012, 08:05 AM

Nepo Mall Angeles

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Pidjüng

July 27th, 2012, 08:07 AM

Jumbo Jenra Sindalan

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Pidjüng

July 27th, 2012, 08:11 AM

Milo Marathon, Angeles City Gov.

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mnemonick

July 27th, 2012, 03:15 PM

Buti pa to may progress na, gagawin na ang masterplan, yung Airport wala pa, study pa rin....

BCDA chooses Clark’s planner

State-run Bases Conversion and Development Authority has picked the winning bidder that will prepare the master plan for the development of 36,000 hectares at Clark Special Economic Zone.

“Out of four bidders, the BCDA board approved the consortium of Pros [Planning Resources and Operations Systems Inc.] and Woodfields Consultants,” a reliable source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told Manila Standard in a text message Wednesday evening.

The source said the consortium was chosen because of its “highest rating and lowest offer.” The source, however, refused to divulge other important details of the bidding process, especially the offer amount of Pros and Woodfields.

The source also said the winning bidder would be given until the end of the year to prepare the Clark master plan.

The master plan is designed to position Clark economic zone as one of the best investment destinations in Southeast Asia.

Pros is a Quezon City-based company engaged in architectural services while Woodfields Consultants Inc. is an engineering company that provides services such as water resources engineering, flood management and drainage improvement, water supply and sanitation, environment management and solid waste management.

The consortium of PROS and Woodfields beat three other companies that participated in the bidding process. These were architectural firm Palafox Associates; Aecom Philippines, which is into masterplanning and architecture; and a joint venture of Parsons and Fildravo (Filipinas Dravo Corp.), which is a leading architectural and engineering consultancy firm.

BCDA set a minimum bid price of P26 million, when the bidding was announced in March this year.

BCDA president and chief executive Arnel Paciano Casanova said in March that once the master plan was completed, “it will make Clark a highly-integrated, high-tech green community where Bonifacio Global City meets Silicon Valley amidst lush greenery.”

Source (http://manilastandardtoday.com/www2/2012/07/27/bcda-chooses-clarks-planner/)

Excited for Clark :cheers:, just a shame there won't be any skyscraper in the area like the BGC.

sisigman

July 27th, 2012, 04:06 PM

^^ oks na rin yun kahit walang skyscraper. tutal, ang mga skyscraper lang naman, lumalabas kapag masikip ang lugar, kagaya sa NCR. Clark SEZ has vast lands, so I think skyscrapers are unnecessary. Wish ko na lang ay magkaroon ng maraming midrise buildings sa Clark na kakaiba ang architecture.

Kapag fully operational na ang Clark SEZ, highly probably na magboom ang ekonomiya ng Capas at Bamban... Capas then can finally vie for cityhood! And also Porac!

sisigman

July 27th, 2012, 04:43 PM

^^ tsaka mahirap na rin ang may skyscrapers sa area na yun. kasi malapit sa Pinatubo. baka anong mangyari pag may earthquake.

librero

July 27th, 2012, 04:45 PM

tsaka bawal din ang skyscraper sa vicinity ng airport... mas ok na siguro, paghahanda sa pagiging main international airport ng Clark sa Pilipinas... :)

TheJMP617

July 28th, 2012, 05:35 AM

These pictures were taken by a teacher from our school...

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sisigman

July 28th, 2012, 08:19 AM

Some environment news on Angeles City, taken from the Mayor's city address.

Sa susunod na dalawang taon ay makikita na ninyo ang mga punong kawayan at mahogany sa gilid ng Abacan River at iba pang lugar
bawal na ang plastic at styropor sa City Hall
nagtabi na ng P100,000 kada barangay para sa pagtatayo ng kanilang Materials Recovery Facilities, kung saan ibinubukod ang mga recyclable wastes na maaari pang pakinabangan, sa mga nabubulok na basura na maaaring gawing fertilizer.; nanguna na ang Barangays San Nicolas at Balibago

other things:

revenue of Angeles from 2009 to 2011

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Renal Care Unit in Ospital ning Angeles, which has the most number of dialysis machines in the country (19 machines)

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City College of Angeles in Brgy. Pampang, nearing completion

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ongoing/future projects:

new Angeles Public Cemetery, under construction in Barangay Sapalibutad
Pagsasaayos at pagpapailaw sa Arayat Blvd. at lahat ng mga daan patungo sa City College, sa Angeles City National High School, sa ating palengke sa Pampang at sa ating ospital, kabilang ang mga daan ng Kalayaan at Miranda Extension.
Pagsasaayos ng Pampang. Sa katunayan ay patapos na ang pagsasaayos sa Pampang Market;
restoration at pagpapanumbalik sa orihinal na makasaysayang itsura ng Santo Rosario, Pamintuan Mansion at mga makasaysayang bahay sa paligid bilang Angeles Heritage Area, tulad ng Intramuros at Vigan;
Bilang sagisag ng karakter at katangian ng mga Angeleno na harapin at mamayani laban sa anumang hamon, itatayo na natin ang Bagius ning Angeles at Sun Dial, sa tulong ng pribadong sektor, bilang karagdagang tourist attraction ng ating syudad.

yung BAGIUS NING ANGELES na ito ang magiging katumbas nung pugot na ulo ng Olongapo (Ulo ng apo) City! :D I hope we build more monuments in the future, especially sa Santo Domingo at Santo Rosario.

:banana::banana:

Sulagpo ka pa, Angeles!