^^ No prob. :colgate:

I hate the name LOL

^^ Someday, when you're famous for something, we'll rename the thread (not the airport) "Davao-Dinabaw Memorial International Airport." :lol:

^^

korek!:lol:

^^ It's no good. You can't see your name on the airport sign because you are dead. :lol:

I like your terminal. It's airy feeling. Passed thru by Silk Air to Cebu from JFK.

^^ It's no good. You can't see your name on the airport sign because you are dead. :lol:

I like your terminal. It's airy feeling. Passed thru by Silk Air to Cebu from JFK.

thanks man. :lol:

wow. such a long flight.:nuts:

^^ It's no good. You can't see your name on the airport sign because you are dead. :lol:

I like your terminal. It's airy feeling. Passed thru by Silk Air to Cebu from JFK.

thanks...me too this december singapore airlines ako from melbourne then silk air from singapore...cant wait to enter DIA again...:)

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very good news indeed.....what kind of aircraft is that?

^^ It's no good. You can't see your name on the airport sign because you are dead. :lol:

I like your terminal. It's airy feeling. Passed thru by Silk Air to Cebu from JFK.

thanks man. :lol:

wow. such a long flight.:nuts:

yah long flight...JFK - FRA - SIN - DVO - CEB hehe..

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MINDANAO AIRLINE ROUTE NETWORK
My Cents worth of thoughts

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REAL MARKET DEMAND
Routes_____________________________ Airline
Davao-Cagayan de Oro vv ____________ nyo CEB
Davao-Zamboanga vv ________________ PAL, CEB, fo GAP
Zamboanga-Jolo vv __________________ SRQ, fo RIT/MCD/MCI/?
Zamboanga-Tawi-Tawi vv ____________ SRQ, fo RIT/MCD/MCI/?
Zamboanga-Cotabato vv _____________ SRQ,
Zamboanga-Cagayan de Oro vv _______ nyo RIT, nyo CEB

POTENTIAL MARKETS
Davao-Dipolog vv ___________________ nco
Davao-Pagadian vv _________________ nco
Davao-Iligan vv ____________________ nco
Davao-Surigao vv __________________ nco
Cagayan-Dipolog vv _________________ nco
Cagayan-Surigao vv _________________ nco
Cagayan-Cotabato vv _______________ nco

LEAST POTENTIAL MARKETS
Davao-Butuan _____________________ nco
Davao-Cotabato ___________________ nco
Davao-Gensan _____________________ fo MCD
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nyo- not yet operational
fo- former operator
nco-no commercial operator
PAL-Philippine Airlines
CEB-Cebu Pacific Airways
GAP-Air Philippines
RIT-Asian Spirit/Zest
SQR-South East Asian Airlines
MCD-Mindanao Express
MCI-Mosphil Aero
?- South Phoenix Airways.

Classifications were based on projected business traffic, alternative mode of transport, time of travel, and proximity.

The improvement of land transportation are becoming an important source of competition for air transport since this brings in more choices for those traveling between the country’s islands in the south.

The introduction of comfortable high-speed ferries, as a result of the deregulation of the inter-island shipping industry, opened up an alternative mode of travel to a market that previously considered travel by air only.

The improvement of roads in Mindanao has significantly reduced travel time by land. Since land travel is a lot cheaper than by air, this has become a source of competition for the air transport industry. An example of this is the Davao-General Santos route of Mindanao Express. The airline’s load factor was substantially reduced from 90 percent to 20-30 percent when travel time by land along this route was reduced from 6 to 2 hours due to the road improvement in the area.

The last real market route remains unserved in 2008, while Jolo and Tawi-Tawi came out a surprise. Potential route markets remains a dream as of this writing while not discounting the rise of others that are not listed.

The least the airline could do is to consult this factsheet first before planning their first flight or they could become the next Mindanao Express in the making. Other than that, good luck!

Source: Philippine Institute for Development Studies (http://www.pids.gov.ph/).
...........Civil Aviation Master Plan. Department of Transportation and Communications (http://www.dotc.gov.ph/), Philippines. (C) Ambidji Group Pty Ltd. 1997.
...........All data compiled in paperback. You may order copies from them.


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^^

its just a business plan.

as with other business plans, everything is still up in the air. anything can change.

as per info, this airline will start to fly second half of next year. so there is alot of time to modify.:)

baka maging issue na naman yang pagka "PREMIER" niyan ha hehehe j/k

how is SRI CHIMNOY involved with our city na may name niya sa old terminal ng Davao International Airport?

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^^ Hmmm....the same name in Mactan-Cebu's International Airport terminal...Sri Chimnoy.

thats Sri Chinmoy right?

a quick google suggests (sa akong pagsabot) na kining si sri chinmoy nga peace activist nagbisita sa lahi lahing parts sa world and ang mga airport na napuntahan nya ay may tatak na sri chinmoy peace airport?

http://www.srichinmoylibrary.com/books/0921/4/1/

^^
Sri Chinmoy
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Born August 27, 1931(1931-08-27)
Shakpura village, Chittagong District, East Bengal, British India (now Bangladesh)
Died October 11, 2007 (aged 76)
New York City
Resting place Queens, New York
Nationality Indian
Religious beliefs Hindu


Chinmoy Kumar Ghose (August 27, 1931 – October 11, 2007) was an Indian spiritual teacher and philosopher who emigrated to the U.S. in 1964. An author, composer, artist and athlete, he was perhaps best known for holding public events on the theme of inner peace and world harmony (such as concerts, meditations, and races). His teachings emphasize love for God, daily meditation on the heart, service to the world, and religious tolerance. A view that "all faiths" are essentially divine.

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so bago lang siya namatay...

ganda naman niyan, few airports around the world may naka sulat na name niya.

Zest Air mounts local flights from Clark in time for the holidays
12/16/2008 | 06:24 PM

MANILA, Philippines - Zest Air, the carrier formerly known as Asian Spirit, will expand its services to Northern and Central Luzon as it starts flying from the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) on December 20.

Zest Air will start flying from Clark to Cebu and Davao on Saturday before embarking on regional flights in January.

“Clark will be the premier international airport that is why we decided to mount flights from the DMIA. We see a lot of potential for the airport and this is a welcome development for the airline industry in the country," Zest Air president and chief executive Alfredo Yao said in a statement.

Four Zest Air planes are now waiting at the Asian Aerospace Hangar for their first commercial flight out of DMIA. One of the planes is an Airbus A320 which can accommodate 162 passengers, and the rest are M-60 units which can carry 56 passengers.

Zest Air will explore regional destinations when two more Airbus A320 units arrive next year.

Yao earlier said Zest Air wants to fly to Bangkok in Thailand; Hong Kong, Macau, Xiamen and Shanghai in China; and Incheon in South Korea. - GMANews.TV

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sakay na....:lol:

here is the schedule of zest air....

mnl-dvo-mnl (daily)
aircraft- a320

flight dep arr flight dep arr
6k777 545am 715am 6k776 800am 930am
6k775 145pm 315pm 6k774 400pm 530pm

ceb-dvo-ceb (daily)
aircraft- MA-60

flight dep arr flight dep arr
6k933 800pm 915pm 6k932 945pm 1100pm

daghan gyud pasahero to and from davao-manila no? kay pila ka airliners and nag serve ana nga route...:)

good to hear may a320 na ang zest air...brand new or acquired from other company?

its only here in davao that 5j does not use the aerobridges. they use it in cebu, bacolod, iloilo, and manila. they only use the aerobridges in extreme weather conditions. pero if its only ordinary rain, still no aerobridges. kaya nagrereklamo na ang mga pasahero ng 5j dito sa davao.

Bka ngtitipid sila since LCC, db may bayad sa operator ang use of facilities like parking and jetways... mas menos cgurosa gastos kung hindi ggmit ng jetway. Hassle nga yan sa pax... mainit at hrap mglakad.

Hanjin on Davao airport case

By Conrado R. Banal III
Philippine Daily Inquirer (http://business.inquirer.net/money/columns/view/20081218-178587/Hanjin-on-Davao-airport-case)
First Posted 04:14:00 12/18/2008


The South Korean construction and shipbuilding group called Hanjin has been cornering big fat contracts with the Philippine government under this cute administration.

In its P1.7-billion contract with the Department of Transportation and Communications (DoTC) for construction of the international airport in the southern city of Davao, Hanjin subcontracted P1.3 billion worth of the work to a local firm called DPCC, or Dynamic Planners & Construction Corp.

DPCC agreed on a price of only P900 million, meaning, Hanjin immediately made a cool P300 million out of the DoTC contract, seemingly acting only as a broker.

But then, with its job at the airport more than 90-percent completed, DPCC sued Hanjin for refusing to pay for work that DPCC had completed thus far.

Several years passed. DPCC went under. Its owners lost their houses and their relatives lost their houses, which were all used as collateral to bank loans used to finance the Davao airport project.

Early this year, nevertheless, the Supreme Court finally ruled (and with “finality”) in favor of DPCC.

Hanjin subsequently wrote a couple of letters to Chief Justice Reynato Puno, who referred them to the Supreme Court division handling the collection case against Hanjin.

The Supreme Court division noted the letters but still registered their ruling in the Book of Entries of Judgment.

In short, the case is closed.

That meant that the case was to be brought back to the CIAC, the Construction Industry Arbitration Commission, under the Department of Trade and Industry.

The CIAC was the body that was supposed to force Hanjin to pay up or else the South Korean firm would be blacklisted in all government contracts.

Word went around the construction industry that a Malacañang functionary (known as Mr. S, although his name starts with a C) was trying to pressure CIAC to go easy on Hanjin.

Hanjin recently bagged another big fat contract with the DoTC, for the airport terminal in the southern city of Cagayan de Oro, worth at least P7 billion.

Recently, Hanjin hit the headlines over the death of a number of its workers in its project at the Subic Bay Freeport, northwest of Manila. Sen. Pia Cayetano thus called for an inquiry into Hanjin’s affairs in the Philippines.

Following is Hanjin’s response to Breaktime (Dec. 2, 2008):

“Sometime in August 1999, Hanjin entered into a contract with DoTC for the Davao International Airport Projects as the Main Contractor, and in March 2000, Hanjin subcontracted a portion of the Work (Building Work) to DPCC.

“In December 2000, DPCC and Hanjin entered into Supplemental Agreement, when it became evident that DPCC would not be able to finish the Subcontract work on time.

“Hanjin agreed to help DPCC from a near breach of the subcontract by taking over the portion of DPCC’s work, especially that of purchasing materials and providing construction equipment, labor and subcontractors in order to supplement DPCC’s financial incapability and to catch up with the schedule of the subcontract work.

“However, DPCC’s unfaithful performance persisted and resulted in their eventual abandonment of the subcontract work in April 2002, the actual accomplishment of DPCC’s work amounted only to P285 million which was fully paid by Hanjin.

“No matter how the proceedings of the case went, nobody in the world who is engaged in international construction industry would think it fair and reasonable to pay a compensation of P450 million to a subcontractor who finally gave up its contractual obligation and accomplished only P285 million of the subcontract work.

“One has to recall that the original CIAC award was only P126 million but on appeal to the higher courts it had snowballed to P450 million.

“Needles to say, CIAC would be the most experienced and professional organization in the arbitration of construction industry disputes.

“It was already found out that there were several significant mathematical errors including double entry of retention money in addition to the fundamental issues Hanjin is appealing.

“It may well be good to know that Hanjin had chosen the Philippines as its second home for the past three decades.

“In recent years, Hanjin became one of the biggest investors in the Philippines with trust and confidence and fervent faith in the Filipino people and in the government system accumulated in such a long period of time.”

Hanjin on Davao airport case

By Conrado R. Banal III
Philippine Daily Inquirer (http://business.inquirer.net/money/columns/view/20081218-178587/Hanjin-on-Davao-airport-case)
First Posted 04:14:00 12/18/2008


The South Korean construction and shipbuilding group called Hanjin has been cornering big fat contracts with the Philippine government under this cute administration.

In its P1.7-billion contract with the Department of Transportation and Communications (DoTC) for construction of the international airport in the southern city of Davao, Hanjin subcontracted P1.3 billion worth of the work to a local firm called DPCC, or Dynamic Planners & Construction Corp.

DPCC agreed on a price of only P900 million, meaning, Hanjin immediately made a cool P300 million out of the DoTC contract, seemingly acting only as a broker.

But then, with its job at the airport more than 90-percent completed, DPCC sued Hanjin for refusing to pay for work that DPCC had completed thus far.

Several years passed. DPCC went under. Its owners lost their houses and their relatives lost their houses, which were all used as collateral to bank loans used to finance the Davao airport project.

Early this year, nevertheless, the Supreme Court finally ruled (and with “finality”) in favor of DPCC.

Hanjin subsequently wrote a couple of letters to Chief Justice Reynato Puno, who referred them to the Supreme Court division handling the collection case against Hanjin.

The Supreme Court division noted the letters but still registered their ruling in the Book of Entries of Judgment.

In short, the case is closed.

That meant that the case was to be brought back to the CIAC, the Construction Industry Arbitration Commission, under the Department of Trade and Industry.

The CIAC was the body that was supposed to force Hanjin to pay up or else the South Korean firm would be blacklisted in all government contracts.

Word went around the construction industry that a Malacañang functionary (known as Mr. S, although his name starts with a C) was trying to pressure CIAC to go easy on Hanjin.

Hanjin recently bagged another big fat contract with the DoTC, for the airport terminal in the southern city of Cagayan de Oro, worth at least P7 billion.

Recently, Hanjin hit the headlines over the death of a number of its workers in its project at the Subic Bay Freeport, northwest of Manila. Sen. Pia Cayetano thus called for an inquiry into Hanjin’s affairs in the Philippines.

Following is Hanjin’s response to Breaktime (Dec. 2, 2008):

“Sometime in August 1999, Hanjin entered into a contract with DoTC for the Davao International Airport Projects as the Main Contractor, and in March 2000, Hanjin subcontracted a portion of the Work (Building Work) to DPCC.

“In December 2000, DPCC and Hanjin entered into Supplemental Agreement, when it became evident that DPCC would not be able to finish the Subcontract work on time.

“Hanjin agreed to help DPCC from a near breach of the subcontract by taking over the portion of DPCC’s work, especially that of purchasing materials and providing construction equipment, labor and subcontractors in order to supplement DPCC’s financial incapability and to catch up with the schedule of the subcontract work.

“However, DPCC’s unfaithful performance persisted and resulted in their eventual abandonment of the subcontract work in April 2002, the actual accomplishment of DPCC’s work amounted only to P285 million which was fully paid by Hanjin.

“No matter how the proceedings of the case went, nobody in the world who is engaged in international construction industry would think it fair and reasonable to pay a compensation of P450 million to a subcontractor who finally gave up its contractual obligation and accomplished only P285 million of the subcontract work.

“One has to recall that the original CIAC award was only P126 million but on appeal to the higher courts it had snowballed to P450 million.

“Needles to say, CIAC would be the most experienced and professional organization in the arbitration of construction industry disputes.

“It was already found out that there were several significant mathematical errors including double entry of retention money in addition to the fundamental issues Hanjin is appealing.

“It may well be good to know that Hanjin had chosen the Philippines as its second home for the past three decades.

“In recent years, Hanjin became one of the biggest investors in the Philippines with trust and confidence and fervent faith in the Filipino people and in the government system accumulated in such a long period of time.”

well if this is the case, hanjin shold be expelled from the philippines for uncalled for practices. mga ogags tlaga yan sila....:ohno:

as of today the number of flights that land and take-off from the DIA per week is 173, or an average or 25 flights per day ( 3 am to 10 pm).:)

Davao Int'l Airport

Bumaba talaga sa tarmac...
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^^ Whaddaheck?! What's the use of aerobridges nowadays? :bash:

^^ down to earth (literally!) :lol:

i just arrived 2 days ago from manila and i rode PAL and i noticed too that the cebu pacific plane didn't use the aerobridge..how come??are there other airlines not utilizing the tube?

^^
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Domestic Arrival Area, Francisco Bangoy International Airport

^^ I'm amused that we're not referring to it as "Davao International Airport" anymore. :colgate:

^^
Probably because of the growing trend of NOT naming an airport after the place that it services. :lol:

^^ Probably so. Sigh....

Whaddaheck?! What's the use of aerobridges nowadays?

during the arrival, Cebu Pacific plane lang ang mag-isa dun sa airport terminal :D

a plane passenger having to go down the tarmac is like landing in a remote low-cost airport. there's gotta be a reason other than "cost-cutting" measure for Cebu Pacific not using Davao's aerobridges. it would have been more acceptable if 5J lands in a second-class airport. but in an international airport? i don't think so.

i just saw this morning a zest air aircraft land. ang pangit talaga ng kulay.:ohno:

during the arrival, Cebu Pacific plane lang ang mag-isa dun sa airport terminal :D

a plane passenger having to go down the tarmac is like landing in a remote low-cost airport. there's gotta be a reason other than "cost-cutting" measure for Cebu Pacific not using Davao's aerobridges. it would have been more acceptable if 5J lands in a second-class airport. but in an international airport? i don't think so.

and your theory would be?

^^i don't have any. :lol: i don't have the answers eh.

^^i don't have any. :lol: i don't have the answers eh.

well, ikaw ang nag-isip nun diba? so surely may naiisip kang posibleng dahilan right? spill it out then :)

who is francisco bangoy?? why was the airport named after him , is he like the most important person to have come from davao,.. I tried to google him but all the links led to the airport...

AFAIK, isa sa mga pioneer na landed properties ang mga Bangoy (but mostly sa southern part ng city sa pagkakaalam ko) so maybe Francisco Bangoy once owned the lot where the airport stands? (although sa north naman ang airport)

who is francisco bangoy?? why was the airport named after him , is he like the most important person to have come from davao,.. I tried to google him but all the links led to the airport...

AFAIK, he donated the vast track of land where the airport sits at present.

;29769536']AFAIK, isa sa mga pioneer na landed properties ang mga Bangoy (but mostly sa southern part ng city sa pagkakaalam ko) so maybe Francisco Bangoy once owned the lot where the airport stands? (although sa north naman ang airport)

Affirmative yet, he was the one who donated the land where the airport is.

;29769178']well, ikaw ang nag-isip nun diba? so surely may naiisip kang posibleng dahilan right? spill it out then
^^i said wala. jeez. that's why i was wondering and asking the reason behind it. ikaw, do you have any idea?

aside from donating the airport land, does he have any other particular achievement??

^^
None that I know of. Interestingly though, there is also a main street in Davao's Chinatown named after him.

^^i said wala. jeez. that's why i was wondering and asking the reason behind it. ikaw, do you have any idea?

kasi nga sinabi na nilang "cost cutting" but then the way you said, na "there's gotta be..." gives me the impression that somehow may naiisip kang ibang posibleng dahilan although di ka sure :yes:

well as for me, wala akong ibang maisip na dahilan since kaya naman ng A320 gumamit ng aerobridge, alam ko before nung DC-9 pa, di daw kasi kasya (sabi nung barkada ko who once worked sa cebupacific-airport)

but now that naka A319/A320 na sila, wala akong ibang maisip na dahilan other than cost cutting

if that's the case, I'm sure there are many others who deserve the honor more, a national figure of great importance or a revolutionary or artist even,... I mean it's an airport and an international one at that, designed by a national artist,... they should name it after a local son who had made a lot of achievments

;29769934']kasi nga sinabi na nilang "cost cutting" but then the way you said, na "there's gotta be..." gives me the impression that somehow may naiisip kang ibang posibleng dahilan although di ka sure :yes:

is that official? why of all major airports in the country, sa Davao Airport lang sila cost-cutting? i can't help but wonder. :dunno: Bacolod Airport, Iloilo Airport, etc. naka aerobridge. i can't find anything wrong with the Davao Airport. but if indeed that's the reason, i'll leave it as it is nalang. :)

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if that's the case, I'm sure there are many others who deserve the honor more, a national figure of great importance or a revolutionary or artist even,... I mean it's an airport and an international one at that, designed by a national artist,...

You have a good point.

Historically, I think the most significant person in Davao is Datu Bago. He could qualify as Davao's version of Lapu-Lapu.

Pero parang hindi maganda pakinggan: Datu Bago International Airport.

is that official? why of all major airports in the country, sa Davao Airport lang sila cost-cutting? i can't help but wonder. :dunno: it doesn't make sense. but if indeed that's the reason, i'll leave it as it is nalang. :)

like i said, wala akong idea..kasi di naman pwede aircraft limitations. ikaw sa tingin mo? anong pwedeng dahilan? fancy to give a wild guess? ;)

;29770250']like i said, wala akong idea..kasi di naman pwede aircraft limitations. ikaw sa tingin mo? anong pwedeng dahilan? fancy to give a wild guess? ;)

pinakamahal siguro ang aerobridge usage fee (if there is such a thing!) in Davao Airport :lol: . that's the only thing i can think of right now. or talagang kuripot lang ang Cebu Pacific para lang to maintain their low air fare. :cool: besides, it only cost me P500 to fly from Cebu to Davao. :okay:

isang dahilan din siguro yun? maybe the aerobridge rental (or kung ano man tawag dyan) is more expensive sa DIA compared sa iba?

aside from donating the airport land, does he have any other particular achievement??

I know a Bangoy was once a mayor of Davao City ..i think during World War 2 but dunno if it's Francisco .

You have a good point.

Historically, I think the most significant person in Davao is Datu Bago. He could qualify as Davao's version of Lapu-Lapu.

Pero parang hindi maganda pakinggan: Datu Bago International Airport.


:lol: ayaw mo pa nuon laging Bago ang airport kidding aside that's why i didn't like changing the name from DIA to FBIA


imo the bangoy's really insisted naming the Airport to FBIA maybe it's written in the deed of donation(?)

pinakamahal siguro ang aerobridge usage fee (if there is such a thing!) in Davao Airport :lol: . that's the only thing i can think of right now. or talagang kuripot lang ang Cebu Pacific para lang to maintain their low air fare. :cool: besides, it only cost me P500 to fly from Cebu to Davao. :okay:

Yes, there is such a thing. They're called "Gate Fees" and "Loading Bridge Fees," and they vary at different times of the day between peak and non-peak hours subject to gate and bridge availability. The longer an aircraft is parked at the gate is money the airline is losing.

who is francisco bangoy?? why was the airport named after him , is he like the most important person to have come from davao,.. I tried to google him but all the links led to the airport...

I did some searching on my own: turns out Francisco Bangoy was the Bangoy patriarch at the time. He decided to donate a vast tract of land in Barangay Sasa to the Philippine government for use as an airport.

According to this particular Sun.Star Davao article, the airport being named after Francisco Bangoy goes back much farther than we think.

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Monday, December 01, 2003
Nonoy Garcia, Elias Lopez and other airport tales (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/dav/2003/12/01/feat/nonoy.garcia.elias.lopez.and.other.airport.tales.html)
By Antonio M. Ajero

TODAY’S grand inauguration of the P4.9-billion Davao International Airport reminds many Dabawenyos about the glorious past and humble beginnings of the airport and their own.

Most of the old-time residents, Davao-born especially, associate their recollection with the first time they flew out of the Francisco Bangoy Airport, which was the old name of the DIA located on a portion of a vast tract of land in Sasa owned by the Bangoy patriarch.

Dean Hildegardo F. Iñigo of the Ateneo de Davao law school said that his first plane ride to Manila was "around 1960 or 1961," adding the terminal then was "very small." He took the Philippine Airlines "Starduster" night flight whose one-way fare he could no longer recall.

The first ride of Joaquin "Ken" Angeles, civil engineer-turned-restaurateur of the Yellow Fin Resto and After Dark fame, was for free--on a military plane in 1949. But his late father, prominent lawyer Gerardo Angeles, used to pay P60 one-way for a PAL ride to Manila. Ken vividly remembers the grass growing on the runway as it was not yet paved.

A decade later, the first flight to Manila by newsman Gil Abarico, then a campus editor, was also on a Philippine Airforce plane, for free. "It was a very simple thing then, no hassle, we just waited for takeoff announcement at waiting area provided by PAL, then excitedly boarded PAF plane.

"There was a very small control tower and several small low buildings on both sides of the airport entrance. Our PAF aircraft could not take off until the incoming PAL plane has landed," Abarico says of the flight he had to make because of a national convention of the College Editors Guild.

Former Presidential Assistant Sebastian Angliongto said his first flight was in the fifties when he was still a high school student. The aircraft, the exact make of which now escapes his memory, was a 24-seater that took a long time to reach the Big City.

Serafin Ledesma Jr., retired executive of PT&T, former president of the Rotary Club of Davao and publisher of the Mindanao Journal, had this impression of the Bangoy airport when he was there for the first in 1964 rustic military airfield, only this time PAL's first edition landed there.

Behind were what could be called Quonset huts, which served as terminal building. Ledesma's first flight out of the Bangoy airport was a poignant story in itself. He snubbed his own college graduation and took the Manila flight on the very day he was to march. "The graduation fee was P80 and I didn't have money for the toga and other graduation expenses, so I bought myself a one-way ticket to Manila which cost only P80 then and sought employment there," he said.

Councilor Victorio S. Advincula Sr. said his flight out of the davao airport was in 1950. "I am not sure morag P45 cguro."

"Most of us Dabawenyos studying in Manila actually took the slow boat in going there or in coming home during Christmas and summer vacations," Angliongto recalls. This was true with both rich and poor students because it was fashionable then to take the boat although they were primarily for cargo and would take passengers only when it is not fully loaded with cargo, said Anggie who finished agriculture in UP-Los Baños.

Taking the boat rather that the plane was also being done by Davao-based students studying in Manila like the late Castillo brothers (lawyers Pedro and Antonio), former congressman Manuel "Nonoy" Garcia and his brothers and sisters, the Pichons, the Rodriguezes and the Hizons.

One of those who was doing this was the late congressman Elias B. Lopez, whose humble parents couldn't afford, tavel by plane. There is this incredible but possibly true story, which this writer failed to verify with the great Davao leader when he was still alive -- his first ever plane ride was from Manila to Davao City, when he was asked to rush home by the late Carlos Gempesaw as he was being considered to run for city councilor.

Gempesaw heard about the brilliance and popularity of Elias in the University of the Philippines, where he was elected chairman of the UP student council, among other exceptional achievement as a law student.

Elias first hesitated because at that time he was waiting for the result of the bar examinations together with fellow Dabawenyos Nonoy Garcia, Nonoy Castillo and Polyok Castillo, and was also preparing for a postgraduate scholarship in the University of Michigan. But since he was provided with a free plane ticket to Davao and back to Manila (if he decided not to run for councilor), he took the trip. The rest is history.

Among those interviewed by this writer, former congressman Nonoy Garcia had the fondest memories about the international airport. Nonoy, if Dabawenyos recall, played a big role in the transformation of the airport into what it is today.

There was no term in his long stint in Congress -- from the Batasan days in 1978 up to 2001 when President Erap Estrada was impeached --that he did not set aside funds from his CDF to lengthen the runway and other projects that would improve the airport.

He had the runway lengthened from 1,200 meters, to 1,500 m, to 1,800 m, 2,O00 m, 2,500 m and finally 3,000 m. Gscia aslso worked for the consturction of the P15 million interim international terminal. He used his connections and influence chiefly with House Speaker Jose de Venecia to convince the Fidel V. Ramos administration to consider the P2.7 billion DIA at the time.

In 2001, Garcia crafted a bill seeking the creation of the Davao International Airport Authority to manage the DIA. The bill, according to Second District Rep. Vincent Garcia, Nonoy's son and successor in the House, has been reported out by the Committee on Government Enterprises and forwarded to the committee of appropriations.

Nonoy Garcia said the first time he took a plane to Manila from the Davao airport was in 1948 on a 40-seater PAL aircraft.

It was a long ride. The plane would take off from Davao with about 20 passengers, stopped over in Bukidnon to pick up five more, then proceed to Cagayan de Oro where five others would board the plane, then on to Tagbilaran and then Iloilo City, before finally proceeding to Manila.

"We would start from Davao at 9 a.m. and arrive in Manila at 4 p.m.," Nonoy recalled.

^^
You nailed it SKY. Impressive skills. Its more like of the Makati airport era, the only difference is that the location never changed. Current circumstances of the old can be found at Laguindingan Airport. Almost all track of land where the new airport sits belong to a spanish family famous for Ayala Corporation. A reminiscent of Makati airport. It wont be long when we start calling Laguindingan as Antonio de Ayala airport as Bangoy stands to this day. Honestly, I would rather prefer it that way than being called someday as Garcia or Duterte Airport.

hey there. :))

I've been to the airport control tower a million times already since my uncle works there as an air traffic controller.

and yeah. I didn't find any radars out there since hindi pa raw kailangan. But as of this time.. the flights have dramatically increased in just a span of five years. Imagine.. noon, last flight is PR 814 (or 815), which departs at 6:40 pm. that was the time noong di pa open ang new terminal. then sa of today.. last flight is 9:40 pm na.. PAL 822, minsan may delayed.. and then next flight is Cebu 5J 715 from Singapore (or other days, from Hongkong) which arrives at 3.05 am :))

So, I would like to share some pictures during my overnight stay in the control tower back in 12.21 and 12.28 :)) Enjoy! :D

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3256/3150129086_2be0263dfb.jpg
Inside the control tower

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3290/3149298363_f9db3bdf75.jpg
Sunset

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3119/3150129682_604998db4f.jpg
Departure Philippine 815 to runway 05

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3202/3149298997_78cb5a1ce3.jpg
Zest Air and Philippine 815 (A340)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/3150132876_3a3301dd07.jpg
Sunrise, Davao International Airport, 5.15 am, December 21, 2008

hey there. :))

I've been to the airport control tower a million times already since my uncle works there as an air traffic controller.

and yeah. I didn't find any radars out there since hindi pa raw kailangan. But as of this time.. the flights have dramatically increased in just a span of five years. Imagine.. noon, last flight is PR 814 (or 815), which departs at 6:40 pm. that was the time noong di pa open ang new terminal. then sa of today.. last flight is 9:40 pm na.. PAL 822, minsan may delayed.. and then next flight is Cebu 5J 715 from Singapore (or other days, from Hongkong) which arrives at 3.05 am :))

So, I would like to share some pictures during my overnight stay in the control tower back in 12.21 and 12.28 :)) Enjoy! :D

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3256/3150129086_2be0263dfb.jpg
Inside the control tower

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3290/3149298363_f9db3bdf75.jpg
Sunset

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3119/3150129682_604998db4f.jpg
Departure Philippine 815 to runway 05

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3202/3149298997_78cb5a1ce3.jpg
Zest Air and Philippine 815 (A340)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/3150132876_3a3301dd07.jpg
Sunrise, Davao International Airport, 5.15 am, December 21, 2008

hi there bro . welcome...canyou post some more pics of the interior of the DIA controlo tower. i would like to see sana kung ano meron doon sa loob. swerte mo at nakakapasok ka dun. you get to see what ordinary mortals like us do not see.

pics pa bro...:lol:

wow this is the first time i saw zest air in DIA tarmac....is this plane utilizing the tubes???

quite unlikely. baka lumusot yung buong airplane sa tube. j/k.

by the way, love those shots @ pseudoneuro! can you send me invites to visit your uncle too? :D i would love to stay there for one whole day just watching the planes land and take off. esp the big ones like PR A340 and 330!

the reason why you did not find any radar inside is probably because it's handled somewhere else. manila radars are not handled in the control tower but in a 2-storey (somewhat) at the Merville side of the airport. i guess it covers as far as Clark airport, beyond which they have to relay the info to another unit. in some countries, air traffic control and radar system are housed together, based on what i have seen on TV.

^^ Nice Shot, its nice that Pal utilizes its A340 in their davao fights...sana dito ganun din...:cheers:

^^

Pal utilizes all their aircraft to DIA, from the q300 to the 747-400.:)

^^

Pal utilizes all their aircraft to DIA, from the q300 to the 747-400.:)

Correct.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4458/photo539eh8.jpg

^^

Pal utilizes all their aircraft to DIA, from the q300 to the 747-400.:)

^^ Yuh buti pa jan sa Davao....sana dito ganun dn....dito kasi A319 & A320 lng ginagamit..hay!

the reason why you did not find any radar inside is probably because it's handled somewhere else. manila radars are not handled in the control tower but in a 2-storey (somewhat) at the Merville side of the airport. i guess it covers as far as Clark airport, beyond which they have to relay the info to another unit. in some countries, air traffic control and radar system are housed together, based on what i have seen on TV.

to be specific.. its ACC (Area Control Center) where most radars are located... like this one... i guess this one is in NAIA where its handling the north, east, west ACC sector..
http://www.philskies.net/library/peter/ACC-N.jpg

http://www.philskies.net/library/vatphil/territory.jpg

actually there are only three radar centers in our country.. One in Laoag, Manila (NAIA) and Cebu in which DIA was covered..

thanks for sharing :cheers:

hey there. :))

I've been to the airport control tower a million times already since my uncle works there as an air traffic controller.

and yeah. I didn't find any radars out there since hindi pa raw kailangan. But as of this time.. the flights have dramatically increased in just a span of five years. Imagine.. noon, last flight is PR 814 (or 815), which departs at 6:40 pm. that was the time noong di pa open ang new terminal. then sa of today.. last flight is 9:40 pm na.. PAL 822, minsan may delayed.. and then next flight is Cebu 5J 715 from Singapore (or other days, from Hongkong) which arrives at 3.05 am :))

So, I would like to share some pictures during my overnight stay in the control tower back in 12.21 and 12.28 :)) Enjoy! :D

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3256/3150129086_2be0263dfb.jpg
Inside the control tower

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3290/3149298363_f9db3bdf75.jpg
Sunset

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3119/3150129682_604998db4f.jpg
Departure Philippine 815 to runway 05

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3202/3149298997_78cb5a1ce3.jpg
Zest Air and Philippine 815 (A340)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/3150132876_3a3301dd07.jpg
Sunrise, Davao International Airport, 5.15 am, December 21, 2008

uncle rajah can only remember the "bulilit flights" and the nerve-wracking bac 1-111 take-off :lol: .... then, when sending off friends, relatives or momskie to manila, family members were allowed until the pre-departure area ...

I did some searching on my own: turns out Francisco Bangoy was the Bangoy patriarch at the time. He decided to donate a vast tract of land in Barangay Sasa to the Philippine government for use as an airport.

According to this particular Sun.Star Davao article, the airport being named after Francisco Bangoy goes back much farther than we think.

----

Monday, December 01, 2003
Nonoy Garcia, Elias Lopez and other airport tales (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/dav/2003/12/01/feat/nonoy.garcia.elias.lopez.and.other.airport.tales.html)
By Antonio M. Ajero

TODAY’S grand inauguration of the P4.9-billion Davao International Airport reminds many Dabawenyos about the glorious past and humble beginnings of the airport and their own.

Most of the old-time residents, Davao-born especially, associate their recollection with the first time they flew out of the Francisco Bangoy Airport, which was the old name of the DIA located on a portion of a vast tract of land in Sasa owned by the Bangoy patriarch.

Dean Hildegardo F. Iñigo of the Ateneo de Davao law school said that his first plane ride to Manila was "around 1960 or 1961," adding the terminal then was "very small." He took the Philippine Airlines "Starduster" night flight whose one-way fare he could no longer recall.

The first ride of Joaquin "Ken" Angeles, civil engineer-turned-restaurateur of the Yellow Fin Resto and After Dark fame, was for free--on a military plane in 1949. But his late father, prominent lawyer Gerardo Angeles, used to pay P60 one-way for a PAL ride to Manila. Ken vividly remembers the grass growing on the runway as it was not yet paved.

A decade later, the first flight to Manila by newsman Gil Abarico, then a campus editor, was also on a Philippine Airforce plane, for free. "It was a very simple thing then, no hassle, we just waited for takeoff announcement at waiting area provided by PAL, then excitedly boarded PAF plane.

"There was a very small control tower and several small low buildings on both sides of the airport entrance. Our PAF aircraft could not take off until the incoming PAL plane has landed," Abarico says of the flight he had to make because of a national convention of the College Editors Guild.

Former Presidential Assistant Sebastian Angliongto said his first flight was in the fifties when he was still a high school student. The aircraft, the exact make of which now escapes his memory, was a 24-seater that took a long time to reach the Big City.

Serafin Ledesma Jr., retired executive of PT&T, former president of the Rotary Club of Davao and publisher of the Mindanao Journal, had this impression of the Bangoy airport when he was there for the first in 1964 rustic military airfield, only this time PAL's first edition landed there.

Behind were what could be called Quonset huts, which served as terminal building. Ledesma's first flight out of the Bangoy airport was a poignant story in itself. He snubbed his own college graduation and took the Manila flight on the very day he was to march. "The graduation fee was P80 and I didn't have money for the toga and other graduation expenses, so I bought myself a one-way ticket to Manila which cost only P80 then and sought employment there," he said.

Councilor Victorio S. Advincula Sr. said his flight out of the davao airport was in 1950. "I am not sure morag P45 cguro."

"Most of us Dabawenyos studying in Manila actually took the slow boat in going there or in coming home during Christmas and summer vacations," Angliongto recalls. This was true with both rich and poor students because it was fashionable then to take the boat although they were primarily for cargo and would take passengers only when it is not fully loaded with cargo, said Anggie who finished agriculture in UP-Los Baños.

Taking the boat rather that the plane was also being done by Davao-based students studying in Manila like the late Castillo brothers (lawyers Pedro and Antonio), former congressman Manuel "Nonoy" Garcia and his brothers and sisters, the Pichons, the Rodriguezes and the Hizons.

One of those who was doing this was the late congressman Elias B. Lopez, whose humble parents couldn't afford, tavel by plane. There is this incredible but possibly true story, which this writer failed to verify with the great Davao leader when he was still alive -- his first ever plane ride was from Manila to Davao City, when he was asked to rush home by the late Carlos Gempesaw as he was being considered to run for city councilor.

Gempesaw heard about the brilliance and popularity of Elias in the University of the Philippines, where he was elected chairman of the UP student council, among other exceptional achievement as a law student.

Elias first hesitated because at that time he was waiting for the result of the bar examinations together with fellow Dabawenyos Nonoy Garcia, Nonoy Castillo and Polyok Castillo, and was also preparing for a postgraduate scholarship in the University of Michigan. But since he was provided with a free plane ticket to Davao and back to Manila (if he decided not to run for councilor), he took the trip. The rest is history.

Among those interviewed by this writer, former congressman Nonoy Garcia had the fondest memories about the international airport. Nonoy, if Dabawenyos recall, played a big role in the transformation of the airport into what it is today.

There was no term in his long stint in Congress -- from the Batasan days in 1978 up to 2001 when President Erap Estrada was impeached --that he did not set aside funds from his CDF to lengthen the runway and other projects that would improve the airport.

He had the runway lengthened from 1,200 meters, to 1,500 m, to 1,800 m, 2,O00 m, 2,500 m and finally 3,000 m. Gscia aslso worked for the consturction of the P15 million interim international terminal. He used his connections and influence chiefly with House Speaker Jose de Venecia to convince the Fidel V. Ramos administration to consider the P2.7 billion DIA at the time.

In 2001, Garcia crafted a bill seeking the creation of the Davao International Airport Authority to manage the DIA. The bill, according to Second District Rep. Vincent Garcia, Nonoy's son and successor in the House, has been reported out by the Committee on Government Enterprises and forwarded to the committee of appropriations.

Nonoy Garcia said the first time he took a plane to Manila from the Davao airport was in 1948 on a 40-seater PAL aircraft.

It was a long ride. The plane would take off from Davao with about 20 passengers, stopped over in Bukidnon to pick up five more, then proceed to Cagayan de Oro where five others would board the plane, then on to Tagbilaran and then Iloilo City, before finally proceeding to Manila.

"We would start from Davao at 9 a.m. and arrive in Manila at 4 p.m.," Nonoy recalled.

^^ di na inabot ng range ng radar ang Gensan? or sa picture lang yan?

^^
to be specific.. its ACC (Area Control Center) where most radars are located... like this one... i guess this one is in NAIA where its handling the north, east, west ACC sector..
http://www.philskies.net/library/peter/ACC-N.jpg

http://www.philskies.net/library/vatphil/territory.jpg

actually there are only three radar centers in our country.. One in Laoag, Manila (NAIA) and Cebu in which DIA was covered..

That is more like it. And to think we should have 5 AC centers by now if we follow government projections and standards that is. Good thing we are not on the threshold of saturation point yet. Davao control will be online within the next 3 years. Probably there isn't enough UFO in the airspace to justify government expense for now.:lol:

^^ i think they have their own (shhhhh... hooked to the us base in guam ;) )

^^;30205816']^^ di na inabot ng range ng radar ang Gensan? or sa picture lang yan?

Graphics lang yan. When airborne, airlines call mactan center starting from celebes sea way off before Mindanao land mass, typically Mindanao airspace. Dapat either Davao or Zamboanga control but our government lacks the money to buy those equipment costing in Million of dollars not pesos. Anyway, CAAP calls it maximization of resources and infrastructure which is also correct in not so dense airspace.

Its really advisable to put an ACC in davao area if only the traffic would increase in that area... so that Cebu sector will lessen its traffic control..

i just saw the a320 of zest air on finals to the DIA. the other day i also saw the ma-60 of zest air, also on finals to the DIA.

its good to know that flights of ZEST air is now online. to davao that is...:)

hey there. :))

I've been to the airport control tower a million times already since my uncle works there as an air traffic controller.

and yeah. I didn't find any radars out there since hindi pa raw kailangan. But as of this time.. the flights have dramatically increased in just a span of five years. Imagine.. noon, last flight is PR 814 (or 815), which departs at 6:40 pm. that was the time noong di pa open ang new terminal. then sa of today.. last flight is 9:40 pm na.. PAL 822, minsan may delayed.. and then next flight is Cebu 5J 715 from Singapore (or other days, from Hongkong) which arrives at 3.05 am :))

So, I would like to share some pictures during my overnight stay in the control tower back in 12.21 and 12.28 :)) Enjoy! :D

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3256/3150129086_2be0263dfb.jpg
Inside the control tower

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3290/3149298363_f9db3bdf75.jpg
Sunset

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3119/3150129682_604998db4f.jpg
Departure Philippine 815 to runway 05

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3202/3149298997_78cb5a1ce3.jpg
Zest Air and Philippine 815 (A340)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/3150132876_3a3301dd07.jpg
Sunrise, Davao International Airport, 5.15 am, December 21, 2008

puede atang pumasok mga ordinary mortals diyan i posted photos inside the tower here before (taken from multiply) siguro pwede mag request :)

to be specific.. its ACC (Area Control Center) where most radars are located... like this one... i guess this one is in NAIA where its handling the north, east, west ACC sector..

actually there are only three radar centers in our country.. One in Laoag, Manila (NAIA) and Cebu in which DIA was covered..

Thanks for sharing. Very informative. :)

is there anything new about the airport? the last time i was there luma pa airport nyo at planet pa ang classification ng pluto...aircon na ba both ang domestic and international...dati kasi international lang ang aircon ang domestic bahala ka sa buhay mo....

is there anything new about the airport? the last time i was there luma pa airport nyo at planet pa ang classification ng pluto...aircon na ba both ang domestic and international...dati kasi international lang ang aircon ang domestic bahala ka sa buhay mo....


ito ata ang tinutukoy mong airport?

http://www.charleskeng.com/images-davao_cdo/davao396.JPG

since dec 2003, eto na po ang terminal

http://www.adb.org/Documents/Photos/PHI/Davao-Airport/img/story01-03.jpg

http://rcmfareast.com/gallery/1rendering.jpg

Ah yung structure pala na nasa kabila ng runway and dating terminal!

^^ correct

^^

Graphics lang yan. When airborne, airlines call mactan center starting from celebes sea way off before Mindanao land mass, typically Mindanao airspace. Dapat either Davao or Zamboanga control but our government lacks the money to buy those equipment costing in Million of dollars not pesos. Anyway, CAAP calls it maximization of resources and infrastructure which is also correct in not so dense airspace.

bro, any new international flights coming to davao aside from MI or 5J in the near future?

Davao City circa 1946
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1421/davaoqv6vj6.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davaoqv6vj6.jpg)

DIA and Terminal
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4182/822991090135948kl0.jpg (http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=822991090135948kl0.jpg)
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http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/9042/632051089146383rh3.jpg (http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=632051089146383rh3.jpg)

Airlines that are using and used to use the DIA
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6382/zest320dvo04bj6.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zest320dvo04bj6.jpg)
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5601/zest320dvo03wv2.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zest320dvo03wv2.jpg)
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4026/zest320dvo02ib9.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zest320dvo02ib9.jpg)
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http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2870/569071231439755xn6.jpg (http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=569071231439755xn6.jpg)
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I'll add some more, due to insistent demands. Loool. Sorry for the delay! :)):banana::nuts:

These shots were taken last December 21-22, 2008.

http://images.renzbulseco.multiply.com/image/12/photos/267/500x500/23/Tower-23.JPG?et=B4cGTsRGmsjIh4Ien5IeRA&nmid=152071659

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http://images.renzbulseco.multiply.com/image/11/photos/267/500x500/166/Tower-167.JPG?et=3VsEjx8aHdadd%2C8p7J8rQg&nmid=152071659

--see? One 5J didn't use the airbridge. pfft.

http://images.renzbulseco.multiply.com/image/11/photos/267/500x500/176/Tower-177.JPG?et=4xglhOCZgUqw9mbHpN1Ylg&nmid=152071659

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And these were taken last Dec. 28-29, 2008

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Fire/crash building.

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Sewage thing.

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Dried Canal :)))

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Fire/crash building - from an ant's point-of-view. LOOL :nuts:

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Abandoned things. But it adds beauty to the tower compound :) The gloomy sky complements those things.

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This is my car :P

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Philippine 818 - Airbus 340-300 Departure on Runway 05

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manual zoom. LOOL. See, this is a clear evidence that 5J isn't utilizing the airbridge. Though, not always.

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Nothing :P :)

quite unlikely. baka lumusot yung buong airplane sa tube. j/k.

by the way, love those shots @ pseudoneuro! can you send me invites to visit your uncle too? :D i would love to stay there for one whole day just watching the planes land and take off. esp the big ones like PR A340 and 330!

the reason why you did not find any radar inside is probably because it's handled somewhere else. manila radars are not handled in the control tower but in a 2-storey (somewhat) at the Merville side of the airport. i guess it covers as far as Clark airport, beyond which they have to relay the info to another unit. in some countries, air traffic control and radar system are housed together, based on what i have seen on TV.

actually, they don't accept invitations unless if it's a special trip (educational) or you have a close relative working on the tower. (talking about my advantage, hehehe).. me too! I love to see planes arriving and departing from the tower's vantage point. i also love how the ATC communicates with the pilot. so cool! hahaha. I think almost 90% of my goals in the tower were already accomplished. the remaining 10%:

- departure/arrival of a boeing 747-400. Hope I could witness its beauty.
- an emergency situation. T____T

and yeah, it's not dreary to wait for the arrival/departure of planes since the flights are already jampacked. I went to the airport tower yesterday and due to the absence of a parallel taxiway, PAL PR 820 (A340) departed 15 minutes late due to incoming traffic of two 5J's. sigh. I hope the local gov will utilize the budget for the parallel taxiway. we can't afford to have more delayed flights. =/

^^
Wait til you have at least 4 departures and arrivals per hour or at least 80 flights a day in a 10 hours period.

Now count if you can even reach 40.

here's where you have been taking your photos:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/2589613686_544bf952fe.jpg
photo by chaosandcreations (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chaosandcreations/sets/72157604425058538/) last year when he visited DVO. :D

here's where you have been taking your photos:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/2589613686_544bf952fe.jpg
photo by chaosandcreations (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chaosandcreations/sets/72157604425058538/) last year when he visited DVO. :D

hahahahha :))

just reposting :)

I hope I can visit DVO again this year.
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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3185/2588120150_d06be68c2b.jpg

di parin nawala yung parang malay-inspired style sa roof. :)) mas modern nga lang siya. weeee :)

^^
Wait til you have at least 4 departures and arrivals per hour or at least 80 flights a day in a 10 hours period.

Now count if you can even reach 40.

hmmm sabagay. but then again i think having 4 departures/arrivals per hour is already imminent. haha :))

oh so it's Malay-inspired! I like it. Looks very solid and modern indeed!

i wonder kung ano ang itsura ang interior ng old DIA. hmmm can anyone post a pic of it? hahahhah :))

hey guys, it's me again. does anyone of you here know the exact land area of the whole DIA in hectares? thhhanks. :))

;29769934']kasi nga sinabi na nilang "cost cutting" but then the way you said, na "there's gotta be..." gives me the impression that somehow may naiisip kang ibang posibleng dahilan although di ka sure :yes:

well as for me, wala akong ibang maisip na dahilan since kaya naman ng A320 gumamit ng aerobridge, alam ko before nung DC-9 pa, di daw kasi kasya (sabi nung barkada ko who once worked sa cebupacific-airport)

but now that naka A319/A320 na sila, wala akong ibang maisip na dahilan other than cost cutting

nope. kahit dc-9 pa ang 5J noon, kasya na siya sa airbridge. they always use bay no. 6 pa nga eh, the left-most aerobridge, domestic wing.

actually, they don't accept invitations unless if it's a special trip (educational) or you have a close relative working on the tower. (talking about my advantage, hehehe).. me too! I love to see planes arriving and departing from the tower's vantage point. i also love how the ATC communicates with the pilot. so cool! hahaha. I think almost 90% of my goals in the tower were already accomplished. the remaining 10%:

- departure/arrival of a boeing 747-400. Hope I could witness its beauty.
- an emergency situation. T____T

if your waiting for a 747... ask you (control tower) relative to inform you.. they usually know what type of aircraft is arriving 1 hour before it lands...

sana naman mag lagay na sila ng parallel taxiway kung ganyang napakarami na ng inbound and outbound flights ang Davao. This would also help the airlines cease some delays on their flights...

I really like the pictures posted above... I wonder what are those 3 5J flights taxied on the tarmac..?? And yes, one 5j flight isn't really utilizing the tubes,...hmp.. :-(

if your waiting for a 747... ask you (control tower) relative to inform you.. they usually know what type of aircraft is arriving 1 hour before it lands...

yeah i know about that thing. eh kaso ang layo ng bahay namin sa tower. :))

I really like the pictures posted above... I wonder what are those 3 5J flights taxied on the tarmac..?? And yes, one 5j flight isn't really utilizing the tubes,...hmp.. :-(

yung hindi gumamit ng tube, that's 970 ata.. yung first departure flight to manila..

nasa first tube, which is bay 6, 59-something (supply the last number), first flight to cebu, then yung pinakamalayo, katabi ng PAL 809, which is bay no. 4, galing yan ng singapore, then departure,, magiging 5J 393 na yan, papuntang Zamboanga. of course, PAL 809, to Manila

CEB increases domestic frequencies by 17%;
Adds flights to 11 Manila-hub services
Cebu Pacific (CEB), the Philippines’ leading domestic airline, will mount additional frequencies to 11 of its domestic routes despite the weak economic forecast for the country.

By March this year, just in time for summer, the airline will increase its frequency from Manila to:


Bacolod, to four times daily;
Butuan, to twice daily;
Cagayan de Oro, to five times daily;
Caticlan, to 10 times daily;
Cebu, to 11 times daily;
Davao, to six times daily;
Iloilo, to 31 times weekly;
GenSan, to 10 times weekly;
Legaspi, to thrice daily;
Tagbilaran, to thrice daily; and
Zamboanga, to twice daily.

This brings CEB’s weekly domestic flights from 1,074 to 1,252 .

Candice Iyog, CEB VP for marketing and distribution, said that the airline is expecting three more aircraft this January and February. “These brand new aircraft -- two Airbus and one ATR-72 500 -- will be utilized to expand our growing domestic network.”

Iyog added, “In spite of the economic downturn, we remain optimistic that we will be able to continue stimulating domestic travel because of the value proposition CEB offers to the traveling public.”

CEB carried a record breaking 683,204 passengers in December 2008, the highest in the airline’s history. Prior to this, CEB carried the most number of passengers in May 2008 at 630,924.

CEB has also positioned itself as a viable transport alternative to buses and ferries.

“Aside from additional frequencies, Cebu Pacific will continue to offer its trademark low fares and new aircraft to its passengers,” Iyog added.

CEB currently services the most number of domestic routes, among all local carriers. Its additional aircraft will increase its fleet to 21 Airbus and seven ATR-72 500.

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goys, may international flights ba ang Zest air from/to DIA? kasi may booth sila sa international departure/area ng DIA...:)

CEB increases domestic frequencies by 17%;
Adds flights to 11 Manila-hub services
Cebu Pacific (CEB), the Philippines’ leading domestic airline, will mount additional frequencies to 11 of its domestic routes despite the weak economic forecast for the country.

By March this year, just in time for summer, the airline will increase its frequency from Manila to:


Bacolod, to four times daily;
Butuan, to twice daily;
Cagayan de Oro, to five times daily;
Caticlan, to 10 times daily;
Cebu, to 11 times daily;
Davao, to six times daily;
Iloilo, to 31 times weekly;
GenSan, to 10 times weekly;
Legaspi, to thrice daily;
Tagbilaran, to thrice daily; and
Zamboanga, to twice daily.

This brings CEB’s weekly domestic flights from 1,074 to 1,252 .

Candice Iyog, CEB VP for marketing and distribution, said that the airline is expecting three more aircraft this January and February. “These brand new aircraft -- two Airbus and one ATR-72 500 -- will be utilized to expand our growing domestic network.”

Iyog added, “In spite of the economic downturn, we remain optimistic that we will be able to continue stimulating domestic travel because of the value proposition CEB offers to the traveling public.”

CEB carried a record breaking 683,204 passengers in December 2008, the highest in the airline’s history. Prior to this, CEB carried the most number of passengers in May 2008 at 630,924.

CEB has also positioned itself as a viable transport alternative to buses and ferries.

“Aside from additional frequencies, Cebu Pacific will continue to offer its trademark low fares and new aircraft to its passengers,” Iyog added.

CEB currently services the most number of domestic routes, among all local carriers. Its additional aircraft will increase its fleet to 21 Airbus and seven ATR-72 500.

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goys, may international flights ba ang Zest air from/to DIA? kasi may booth sila sa international departure/area ng DIA...:)


maybe they are going to have international flights to and from the DIA. naka pwesto din kasi sila sa tabi ng 5j sa domestic wing ng terminal.

yung hindi gumamit ng tube, that's 970 ata.. yung first departure flight to manila..

nasa first tube, which is bay 6, 59-something (supply the last number), first flight to cebu, then yung pinakamalayo, katabi ng PAL 809, which is bay no. 4, galing yan ng singapore, then departure,, magiging 5J 393 na yan, papuntang Zamboanga. of course, PAL 809, to Manila



Thanks for the info..
So it was shot early morning pala...i thought late in the afternoon na..

Thanks for the info..
So it was shot early morning pala...i thought late in the afternoon na..

yepyep!! :)) actually yung return flight ng 5J from Singapore, dumating siya mga alas-tres ng madaling araw. next flight.. sunod-sunod na. from 5.30 - 6.10am, 2 5Js from cebu, manila then pr 809 from manila.

:))

late afternoon? yan ata ang pinakabusy. magkasabay lahat. PAL, cebu, zest, air phil, pal express, basta last visit ko sa tower. nung pauwi ako.. 5 arrivals ang nakaschedule na dumating. tapos i think 3 minutes lang ang interval ng ETA

maybe they are going to have international flights to and from the DIA. naka pwesto din kasi sila sa tabi ng 5j sa domestic wing ng terminal.

hahaha. hub na kasi ang davao.. 6 times na pala ang 5j? i thought 6 times daily na siya dati pa. ang PAL, 7 times, wow ha. nung 2003-2005, 3 times a day lang :)

weeee. progress, that is

cebu got new entitlements to the ME through qatar, bakit davao wala pa,
DIA and the chamber should not only lobby the DOTC but sell the idea to foreign carriers that there is a market here, otherwise people from mindanao still have to take a boat or fly to Cebu naman if not Manila/Clark
MidEast na muna, more critical since these are OFW, working folk

maybe they are going to have international flights to and from the DIA. naka pwesto din kasi sila sa tabi ng 5j sa domestic wing ng terminal.

yun din ang thought/s ko...

pina gitnaan kasi ng cebpac and silk air ang zest sa international boarding area...

and na noticed ko walang airline company na nag seservice ng dvo-manado ang present don, is the route still existing?

yun din ang thought/s ko...

pina gitnaan kasi ng cebpac and silk air ang zest sa international boarding area...

and na noticed ko walang airline company na nag seservice ng dvo-manado ang present don, is the route still existing?

yes the dvo-manado-dvo route is still existing. but its on a charter basis only. the iarcraft being used is the Q300.

yes the dvo-manado-dvo route is still existing. but its on a charter basis only. the iarcraft being used is the Q300.

yep. every monday nga lang

guys balita ko na suspended daw ng Flight na Zest air dyan sa Davao..is this true?

baka naman yung MA60 lang na aircrafts, baka A320 na ang gagamitin. not sure though.

;30243524']ito ata ang tinutukoy mong airport?

http://www.charleskeng.com/images-davao_cdo/davao396.JPG

since dec 2003, eto na po ang terminal

http://www.adb.org/Documents/Photos/PHI/Davao-Airport/img/story01-03.jpg

http://rcmfareast.com/gallery/1rendering.jpg

Yun nga.....thanks......for the nice pics of the new airport...ganda at meron dating...

Davao International Airport

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^^
I can see there's still enough room to build a parallel taxiway.

I have noticed that at some specific hours of the day, the interval of flights landing and taking off does not even exceed ten minutes. Time has really come to build a taxiway to accommodate increasing air traffic.

I don't know, the old kai tak airport in HK has more than 35 million passengers yearly, it has only one runway at the time until they started hitting more than 40 million passengers yearly that they built chep Lak Kok airport. DVO hasn't even reached 5 million yet, I don't see why it would need a second runway... It does need a very good taxiway, that helps in increasing in the take off and landing activities. That's probably why it takes time to have this aircraft movements in and out of DVO, it has no taxiway...

I don't know, the old kai tak airport in HK has more than 35 million passengers yearly, it has only one runway at the time until they started hitting more than 40 million passengers yearly that they built chep Lak Kok airport. DVO hasn't even reached 5 million yet, I don't see why it would need a second runway... It does need a very good taxiway, that helps in increasing in the take off and landing activities. That's probably why it takes time to have this aircraft movements in and out of DVO, it has no taxiway...

he said parallel taxiway, not runway

yepyep!! :)) actually yung return flight ng 5J from Singapore, dumating siya mga alas-tres ng madaling araw. next flight.. sunod-sunod na. from 5.30 - 6.10am, 2 5Js from cebu, manila then pr 809 from manila.

:))

late afternoon? yan ata ang pinakabusy. magkasabay lahat. PAL, cebu, zest, air phil, pal express, basta last visit ko sa tower. nung pauwi ako.. 5 arrivals ang nakaschedule na dumating. tapos i think 3 minutes lang ang interval ng ETA


cool!! talagang busy na talaga ang airport..i think there should really be a parallel taxiway...do you have any idea if there will be a taxiway soon?or an expansion of the building terminal???:)

i doubt the building terminal will be expanded soon, quite a lot of space still there. the taxiway too. I think budgets for aviation will first be appropriated for other cities airports , they're still building theirs.

i doubt the building terminal will be expanded soon, quite a lot of space still there. the taxiway too. I think budgets for aviation will first be appropriated for other cities airports , they're still building theirs.

the taxiway should be lobbied by the local government of davao. if we rely on the caap, the taxiway will never be buit.

I am really looking forward for the expansion of our Airport, so that it can accommodate more flights both domestically and internationally. Because one time I have read a blog of an American traveler regarding his stop-overs on some of the airports here in the Philippines. He pointed out the Davao International Airport as the best airport in the Philippines. :banana::banana::banana:

Sorry for misreading peng hoks comment. I just realized it was indeed taxiway he mentioned and not a secondary runway..

Proudlydavaono, yes, DVO airport is nice but now there are other newly openned airport in the Philippines like IloIlo and Bacolod so there are other airports to compare it with now..

^^
I can see there's still enough room to build a parallel taxiway.

I have noticed that at some specific hours of the day, the interval of flights landing and taking off does not even exceed ten minutes. Time has really come to build a taxiway to accommodate increasing air traffic.

actually. may room pa talaga ang parallel taxiway.. budget lang ang kulang. accdg to my tito who works in the tower. sabi niya mas kumonti ang time intervals between outbound/inbound planes, every day meron talagang madedelayed sa departure due to incoming traffic

Sorry for misreading peng hoks comment. I just realized it was indeed taxiway he mentioned and not a secondary runway..

Proudlydavaono, yes, DVO airport is nice but now there are other newly openned airport in the Philippines like IloIlo and Bacolod so there are other airports to compare it with now..

haha. almost all of them had the same terminal capacity.. i think 1.2 million passengers annually? hahaha. but DIA has a longer runway plus more flights. :)

:):):)

halaaaa. runway 23. :)) hahahha. ang astig ng picture. san to kinuha?

cool!! talagang busy na talaga ang airport..i think there should really be a parallel taxiway...do you have any idea if there will be a taxiway soon?or an expansion of the building terminal???:)

wala na talaga boring moments ang mga ATCs hahahaha. busy na talaga. loooool. parallel taxiway? accdg to my tito, construction is not that imminent. it takes time. parang phase III pa ata ng project kasi expansion of runway to 3000m plus yung new buildings is ano.. phase II pa ata. well actually ang original plan talaga is kasali ang parallel taxiway sa phase II. ewan ko, either na kulangan sa budget kasi nga nagmahalan ang mga raw materials.. OR.. hindi pa kailangan kasi nung time na yun, kaya pang iserve ang mga flights na walang delays kahit walang parallel taxiways.

they have underestimated the time, kasi right now, mejo saturated na ang flights most especially early morning, mid morning and early to late afternoon.

i just arrived from manila. looks like the runway markings need to be redone. medyo naeerase na ata yung paint.:lol:

hahaha oonga pero di naman aabot na di na talaga makikita ng mga piloto ^_^

^^

please tell your uncle to suggest to caap davao to enlargen the 05/23 numbers on the runway. ala us style ba. para claro from the air.:lol:

accessible pa rin ba ang old terminal kahit sa parking lot lang? strict pa rin ba ang security in that area? thanks

^^

please tell your uncle to suggest to caap davao to enlargen the 05/23 numbers on the runway. ala us style ba. para claro from the air.:lol:

you mean increase the width from 45 meters to 60 meters? I think it's not necessary. mas importante pa ang parallel taxiway. it would be larger naman din if may parallel taxiway na.

accessible pa rin ba ang old terminal kahit sa parking lot lang? strict pa rin ba ang security in that area? thanks

yep. nagiging pasyalan na siya or something. basta nafeature siya one time sa local tv patrol.. parang drag racing pero motorcycles.. not sure with the term..

and oh, the old terminal was rumored to be haunted.

yep. nagiging pasyalan na siya or something. basta nafeature siya one time sa local tv patrol.. parang drag racing pero motorcycles.. not sure with the term..

and oh, the old terminal was rumored to be haunted.

so pwedeng pumunta sa building entrance, or doon sa loob ng building mismo? hehe....

you mean increase the width from 45 meters to 60 meters? I think it's not necessary. mas importante pa ang parallel taxiway. it would be larger naman din if may parallel taxiway na.

nope. 45 meters is just ok. i mean the numbers 05 and 23. dapat mas malaki ang pag paint ng numbers na iyon sa runway. kasi ngayon ang liit ng numbers.

-01-2009: AirAsia keen on more landing rights in Philippines
by Gan Yen Kuan
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KUALA LUMPUR: AirAsia Bhd is working on securing more landing rights in the Philippines to expand its network in the republic, its group chief executive Datuk Seri Tony Fernandes said.

In particular, he said, the budget carrier was keen for both its associates — Indonesia AirAsia and Thai AirAsia — to fly to Cebu, Manila, Davao and Zamboanga in the Philippines next year.

“We are keen to open more points from Thailand into the Philippines, as well as from Jakarta. We are looking at Cebu right now, and we are very keen on going to Manila. We also really want to develop Zamboanga and Davao.

“(Our target) is next year for sure. We hope we get the rights. Getting rights is not easy,” he told reporters after the launching of the Asean Basketball League here yesterday.

Currently, AirAsia’s only destination in the Philippines is Clark, about 80km north of Manila, with daily flights out of Kuala Lumpur and Kota Kinabalu.

At yesterday’s event, Fernandes launched the Asean Basketball League (ABL), an initiative by South East Asian Basketball Association and several private investors to create a regional basketball league that will see the participation of professional teams owned and operated by private owners.

ABL will be hosted by cities in each Asean member country, with the first season scheduled to start in September this year and end in February 2010. Fernandes, who is the league’s chairman, and several other investors would provide the initial funding of some RM5 million.

“This (ABL) has got nothing to do with AirAsia and Tune group. It’s in my personal capacity. I’ve always loved sports,” Fernandes said.

Asked if AirAsia would be chosen as the exclusive carrier to transport ABL’s players and fans, he said: “It’s up to ABL to propose to AirAsia. Naturally, it makes sense for AirAsia. We can move fans around due to our strong connectivity in Asean.”

Bernama reported that AirAsia would launch a new route from Penang to Macau beginning March 1. There will be four direct flights a week from Penang and three a week from Macau. The minimum fare for a one-way trip is RM49 and tickets can be booked online from Jan 19 to 25, for travel between March 1 and Oct 24.

so pwedeng pumunta sa building entrance, or doon sa loob ng building mismo? hehe....

i don't know.

nope. 45 meters is just ok. i mean the numbers 05 and 23. dapat mas malaki ang pag paint ng numbers na iyon sa runway. kasi ngayon ang liit ng numbers.

ahhhh. hehe.:tiasd:

Well Air Asia can already fly to Davao from KK, it's both in EAGA! I'm not sure how big a market the DAVAO KL route is. Anyway ASEAN Open Skies covers Davao in the next few years (Capitals first then additional cities over the years).

Well Air Asia can already fly to Davao from KK, it's both in EAGA! I'm not sure how big a market the DAVAO KL route is. Anyway ASEAN Open Skies covers Davao in the next few years (Capitals first then additional cities over the years).

remember that there was an established market when malaysian air flew here. there was a sustained traffic between dvo and kk. they just stopped because of the 1997 financial distancer which devastated their bottom line.

i just read in WIKIPEDIA that Zest Air is no longer serving the Davao-Manila route... Bakit kaya???Hindi ba malakas ang flight?

Please confirm sa exact details dito...Thanks

i just read in WIKIPEDIA that Zest Air is no longer serving the Davao-Manila route... Bakit kaya???Hindi ba malakas ang flight?

Please confirm sa exact details dito...Thanks

yeah..not only in Wikipedia dude, try to look in their website and i also ask that in Zest Air. office here last week...:ohno::ohno: sayang namn...

i just read in WIKIPEDIA that Zest Air is no longer serving the Davao-Manila route... Bakit kaya???Hindi ba malakas ang flight?

Please confirm sa exact details dito...Thanks

yeah..not only in Wikipedia dude, try to look in their website and i also ask that in Zest Air. office here last week...:ohno::ohno: sayang namn...

flights between DVO & MNL on Zest Air are still operational...

flights between DVO & MNL on Zest Air are still operational...

ahh ganon ba..but base on their Website wla namng flight from MNL to DVO doon sa "Flight Schedules", and when i try to book a flight wla naring nag aapear...^^

hmmm. i think I saw an A320 Zest Air on its final approach (runway 05)

oonga pala. regarding about the parallel taxiway.. one of the reasons bakit di pa rin lumilipad ang cathay pacific here in Davao kasi walang parallel taxiway. wala lang. di raw nila feel mag-180 maneuver sa runway ends. LOOOL. ang aarte. same sa british airways. AHHAHA :))

Well Air Asia can already fly to Davao from KK, it's both in EAGA! I'm not sure how big a market the DAVAO KL route is. Anyway ASEAN Open Skies covers Davao in the next few years (Capitals first then additional cities over the years).

remember that there was an established market when malaysian air flew here. there was a sustained traffic between dvo and kk. they just stopped because of the 1997 financial distancer which devastated their bottom line.

There was and there still is. They have the same problem with Merpati and Singapore Airlines, an over-sized plane. The ATR 72 or Q400 would have been more appropriate. Mind you MAS load factor was dismal. Since SQ's smallest plane is the A300, they let Silk Air service it with 320 and has been there ever since. So effectively, SQ still flies out from Davao.

The problem with Air Asia is the rights to fly DVO because it is currently owned by MAS, same thing with flights going to Cebu, General Santos and Zamboanga.

Unless, MAS gives it to them which is unlikely, they have to apply for new entitlement which I think is a mountain climb. But I'ts still possible but remote.

Cebu Pacific was able to fly to Malaysia because it was designated flag carrier by the Philippine government. In Malaysia, it is only MAS and subsidiaries.

Thats one tough hill for AXM. They even failed to get entitlements to fly from MNL and CEB because MAS flies there. They ended up flying Clark. I hope Malaysia opens it for them. I love to see AIQ too flying BKK and HDA giving healthy competition to CEB in HGK. But for a moment, the best solution for cracking Philippine Traffic is buy either SEAIr or Zest and Make it Philair Asia. Tony Fernades understood it very well. We will just wait how things unfold.

Thats how free Asian Open Skies are.

oonga pala. regarding about the parallel taxiway.. one of the reasons bakit di pa rin lumilipad ang cathay pacific here in Davao kasi walang parallel taxiway. wala lang. di raw nila feel mag-180 maneuver sa runway ends. LOOOL. ang aarte. same sa british airways. AHHAHA :))

^^
Wrong assumptions. I suggest you read the previous posts.

ya.

i just read in WIKIPEDIA that Zest Air is no longer serving the Davao-Manila route... Bakit kaya???Hindi ba malakas ang flight?

Please confirm sa exact details dito...Thanks

Sino naman kaya yung nag edit sa Wikipedia? Ang bilis naman ng kamay maka edit. Affected??? :lol: :rofl:

There was and there still is. They have the same problem with Merpati and Singapore Airlines, an over-sized plane. The ATR 72 or Q400 would have been more appropriate. Mind you MAS load factor was dismal. Since SQ's smallest plane is the A300, they let Silk Air service it with 320 and has been there ever since. So effectively, SQ still flies out from Davao.

The problem with Air Asia is the rights to fly DVO because it is currently owned by MAS, same thing with flights going to Cebu, General Santos and Zamboanga.

Unless, MAS gives it to them which is unlikely, they have to apply for new entitlement which I think is a mountain climb. But I'ts still possible but remote.

Cebu Pacific was able to fly to Malaysia because it was designated flag carrier by the Philippine government. In Malaysia, it is only MAS and subsidiaries.

Thats one tough hill for AXM. They even failed to get entitlements to fly from MNL and CEB because MAS flies there. They ended up flying Clark. I hope Malaysia opens it for them. I love to see AIQ too flying BKK and HDA giving healthy competition to CEB in HGK. But for a moment, the best solution for cracking Philippine Traffic is buy either SEAIr or Zest and Make it Philair Asia. Tony Fernades understood it very well. We will just wait how things unfold.

Thats how free Asian Open Skies are.



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Wrong assumptions. I suggest you read the previous posts.



i guess the time that i rode MAS from dvo-kk it was one of the better flights. the plane was almost full.

thanks for the confirmation...pero ok na rin, sa dami ba naman ng flights from mailna to davao..but i hope zest air will still operate and open new flights, like bound for cebu, iloilo or boracay maybe..

ahh ganon ba..but base on their Website wla namng flight from MNL to DVO doon sa "Flight Schedules", and when i try to book a flight wla naring nag aapear...^^

^^check again if you have the correct URL.

There was and there still is. They have the same problem with Merpati and Singapore Airlines, an over-sized plane. The ATR 72 or Q400 would have been more appropriate. Mind you MAS load factor was dismal. Since SQ's smallest plane is the A300, they let Silk Air service it with 320 and has been there ever since. So effectively, SQ still flies out from Davao.
The problem with Air Asia is the rights to fly DVO because it is currently owned by MAS, same thing with flights going to Cebu, General Santos and Zamboanga.

Unless, MAS gives it to them which is unlikely, they have to apply for new entitlement which I think is a mountain climb. But I'ts still possible but remote.

Cebu Pacific was able to fly to Malaysia because it was designated flag carrier by the Philippine government. In Malaysia, it is only MAS and subsidiaries.

Thats one tough hill for AXM. They even failed to get entitlements to fly from MNL and CEB because MAS flies there. They ended up flying Clark. I hope Malaysia opens it for them. I love to see AIQ too flying BKK and HDA giving healthy competition to CEB in HGK. But for a moment, the best solution for cracking Philippine Traffic is buy either SEAIr or Zest and Make it Philair Asia. Tony Fernades understood it very well. We will just wait how things unfold.

Thats how free Asian Open Skies are.



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Wrong assumptions. I suggest you read the previous posts.

just a minor correction @arianspace...

SilkAir/MI serves resort destinations or secondary cities as SIA/SQ serves capital or major international cities. In the Philippines, SilkAir flies from SIN to DVO and CEB. Before, SIA used to serve CEB station but was given later on to SilkAir. There were times that DVO and CEB flights had to be upgraded to SQ A310 due to operational or engineering requirements.

Since SilkAir is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Singapore Airlines Group or the regional wing of Singapore Airlines, it is still safe to say that SQ flies out of DVO.

Sino naman kaya yung nag edit sa Wikipedia? Ang bilis naman ng kamay maka edit. Affected??? :lol: :rofl:

^^haha :lol:

There was and there still is. They have the same problem with Merpati and Singapore Airlines, an over-sized plane. The ATR 72 or Q400 would have been more appropriate. Mind you MAS load factor was dismal. Since SQ's smallest plane is the A300, they let Silk Air service it with 320 and has been there ever since. So effectively, SQ still flies out from Davao.

The problem with Air Asia is the rights to fly DVO because it is currently owned by MAS, same thing with flights going to Cebu, General Santos and Zamboanga.

Unless, MAS gives it to them which is unlikely, they have to apply for new entitlement which I think is a mountain climb. But I'ts still possible but remote.

Cebu Pacific was able to fly to Malaysia because it was designated flag carrier by the Philippine government. In Malaysia, it is only MAS and subsidiaries.

Thats one tough hill for AXM. They even failed to get entitlements to fly from MNL and CEB because MAS flies there. They ended up flying Clark. I hope Malaysia opens it for them. I love to see AIQ too flying BKK and HDA giving healthy competition to CEB in HGK. But for a moment, the best solution for cracking Philippine Traffic is buy either SEAIr or Zest and Make it Philair Asia. Tony Fernades understood it very well. We will just wait how things unfold.

Thats how free Asian Open Skies are.



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Wrong assumptions. I suggest you read the previous posts.

I'm not sure now but I don't remember seeing any restriction on the EAGA area for open skies. I understand the need to designate national carriers for ASEAN open skies, but for EAGA? I would think since this is a marginal market it would have been left alone.

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SilkAir

just a minor correction @arianspace...

SilkAir/MI serves resort destinations or secondary cities as SIA/SQ serves capital or major international cities. In the Philippines, SilkAir flies from SIN to DVO and CEB. Before, SIA used to serve CEB station but was given later on to SilkAir. There were times that DVO and CEB flights had to be upgraded to SQ A310 due to operational or engineering requirements.

Since SilkAir is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Singapore Airlines Group or the regional wing of Singapore Airlines, it is still safe to say that SQ flies out of DVO.

^^ yeah. i agree. i have read an article about it

oonga pala. regarding about the parallel taxiway.. one of the reasons bakit di pa rin lumilipad ang cathay pacific here in Davao kasi walang parallel taxiway. wala lang. di raw nila feel mag-180 maneuver sa runway ends. LOOOL. ang aarte. same sa british airways. AHHAHA :))

AFAIK it's the kind of airplane they're using which its not 180deg. maneuverable.

oooh i see. like the A330, A340? but how come ang PAL, A330/40 naman ginagamit eh. hmmm. sbagay. pero soon.. lilipad na rin dito sa Davao ang Cathay. We'll just have to wait.

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PAL Express


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SilkAir

nice photos Peng.:)

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I'm not sure now but I don't remember seeing any restriction on the EAGA area for open skies. I understand the need to designate national carriers for ASEAN open skies, but for EAGA? I would think since this is a marginal market it would have been left alone.

Correct. There is no restriction to fly in EAGA as long as you fly in East Malaysia, particularly Sandakan and Kota Kinabalu.

The problem is Air Asia intends to fly from Kuala Lumpur not Kota Kinabalu or Sandakan. Asian Spirit even had difficulty filling 50% of the YS-11 capacity on a 3x per week flight from Zamboanga what more the airbus 320. Although I must admit that sometimes special flight is necessary in that route. If they were operating a turboprop plane that would have been possible.

http://www.mynetbizz.com/low-cost-airlines/wings-air-indonesia.jpg

However you plan it the next best thing for EAGA is not the jet but the turboprop. At least not yet. They might perhaps follow the cue of Wings Air.

oh yeah. wings air operates every Monday, Davao - Manado. morning flight. around 8 in the morning. :)

oooh i see. like the A330, A340? but how come ang PAL, A330/40 naman ginagamit eh. hmmm. sbagay. pero soon.. lilipad na rin dito sa Davao ang Cathay. We'll just have to wait.

CX uses either A330 or B773 for their CEB flights. I wish that CX would operate a circular routing /flight with DVO just like what MI or SQ does in some routes...

CX uses either A330 or B773 for their CEB flights. I wish that CX would operate a circular routing /flight with DVO just like what MI or SQ does in some routes...

that would be nice. sana this will happen in the future. i will not take 5j unless i really need to.

dose cx have landing rights at the dia?

oh yeah. wings air operates every Monday, Davao - Manado. morning flight. around 8 in the morning. :)

would you know the load factor of wings air on the manado-davao-manado flights? is it good?

that would be nice. sana this will happen in the future. i will not take 5j unless i really need to.

dose cx have landing rights at the dia?

The fact that KLM has, i think CX has too...

The fact that KLM has, i think CX has too...

talaga? ok noh? but i dont see klm coming here in the short term. maybe cx pa.

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Is there also a possibility of TG opening a direct flight to DVO? Is the route feasible?

talaga? ok noh? but i dont see klm coming here in the short term. maybe cx pa.

yah hopefully CX will come soon...

^^
Is there also a possibility of TG opening a direct flight to DVO? Is the route feasible?

yah feasible since BKK can be used as a hub for the DVO market. The DVO market is "from DVO to the world !" then vice-versa...

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By Arlene D. Pasaje

WHEN our Air Traffic Control chief received a memorandum from the Central Office Manila that the establishment of an Air Traffic Service library in every facility is one of the basic requirements of the just instituted Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines, most of us took the news as a chance to make a difference, especially in providing service to our fellow aviation workers.

It's a chance to share the resources that we have with the airlines, general aviation, agricultural, military and student pilots whom we extend air traffic service to. It's a chance to put up a center where we can build not only better camaraderie with the airport users but at the same time provide interested individuals to have a glimpse of what this least appreciated Air Traffic Control is all about.

When finally established, this will be the first ever E-library created in the history of the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines.

Why the chance to share resources

Many aviation accidents involving agricultural and military aircraft happened during the last quarter of 2008. Lives were lost, properties were damaged and series methodical investigations were conducted to determine the causes of the mishaps. It was during that time when we met agri-pilot Capt. Bong Vergara of Airwolf Aviation Corporation. A sprayer aircraft (Agcat) was torched to ashes by unidentified armed men in an airstrip in Panabo and they were forced to relocate five of their expensive sprayer aircraft servicing large banana plantations in Davao del Norte for safekeeping to PAAC hangar here at Davao International Airport. When I relayed to him our plans and objectives in putting up an E-Library, he welcomed the idea since they would be needing references for the agri-aviation local procedures that their group's been drafting since last year.

A friend pilot of an OV-10 military fighter plane was also pleased about the plan. "We will try to share what we have. Local procedures for military aircraft for the e-library," the OV10 pilot said.

Mackie Francisco, a Piper Navaho pilot takes this project as a trailblazing step in Philippine aviation and hopes this would be supported by the proper authorities.

"Come to think of it, everybody benefits from safe and efficient air transportation; whether you fly or not," he said. "I am proud that concerned individuals from my home airport, Davao International, are spearheading this drive."

True.

After all, Air Traffic Controllers, Pilots, Communicators, ground crew and everyone in the aviation industry have one common objective. That is, the safety of the flying public.

Why E-library

Basically, the library will be furnished with useful aviation-related materials such as Aeronautical Information Publications AIP), International Civil Aviation Organizations (ICAO) annexes, general and local procedures files, training manual and procedures, aviation reading materials, topographical maps, collection of aviation related and aircraft accident films. Some of these are already being compiled; ready for use the moment the library officially opens.
But, we want our library to be different, multifunctional, useful, and with internet connection.

It will not only serve as proficiency and "recurrency" training center for rated and non-rated ATCs. Air Traffic Controllers are required to undergo an annual "recurrency program" or refresher trainings for better mastery of air traffic control skills and procedures.

Most importantly, it will also become a center of information for Air Traffic Controllers, pilots (general aviation, military and agricultural pilots) and other airline personnel to research, surf, and secure copies of available general and local procedures, and other aviation related materials. Pilots and other airport users can have access to the library provided they ask permission in advance for their schedule of use.

City Government's support

Four months ago, we have already decided on the perfect place for the E-library. But as each week went by, we felt more disappointed every time we looked at the room devoid of the essential equipment. Waste of precious time.

The E-library needs to have at least two sets of computers, a printer, a projector (for proficiency training and film showing for the library users) and an internet connection. No problem with manpower. We are overflowing with that. We have submitted a request letter and program of work to the concerned airport officers but as expected, our agency can never allocate funds for this. Desperately, we resorted to plan B.

Our most sincere gratitude for the support of Davao City Vice-Mayor Sarah Z. Duterte for the new set of computer with printer and Councilor Pilar C. Braga for persistently helping us lobby our proposal to the City government.

Likewise, CAAP Consultant Mr. Ramon Garcia who is a licensed pilot himself, also promised to help us find sponsors for another set of computer and other equipment. Like Vice Mayor Sarah Duterte and Councilor Pilar Braga, it is noteworthy to mention that Mr. Sonny also believes this noble project is worthy of support.

yah feasible since BKK can be used as a hub for the DVO market. The DVO market is "from DVO to the world !" then vice-versa...

Correct.

There are lot of DVO retailers who regularly travel to BKK to purchase their mechandise. A direct flight between the two cities would significantly reduce travel time for these retailers.

Correct.

There are lot of DVO retailers who regularly travel to BKK to purchase their mechandise. A direct flight between the two cities would significantly reduce travel time for these retailers.

not only this..BKK can be used as a transfer point to onward destinations since TG offers onward connections from their hub.

@govinda.

remember that you told me that passengers from davao are one of the highest for northwest? how come they dont do a circular route nalang. like detroit-osaka(?)- davao-manila-osaka(?)-detroit?

Correct.

There are lot of DVO retailers who regularly travel to BKK to purchase their mechandise. A direct flight between the two cities would significantly reduce travel time for these retailers.

There maybe alot of retailers that goes to BKK but you have to take into account that it requires more than the retailers only. Other passengers such as tourists would be some of them. If there are enough market to warrant a direct link between two cities. Thai airways and even Cebu Pacific would grab that opportunity right away. It does not have to come from the two governments alone. We don't see even a chartered flight connecting the two cities, that pretty much tells us everything... It would be nice if DVO would have direct link to other asian cities as well, that's probably why Silk Air goes to Cebu first before flying directly to Singapore. Or Cathy Pacific don't serve HK -DVO route...

yah hopefully CX will come soon...

in relation to this, i think i have posted a message here before regarding this...
iv contacted CX (thru email)...i raised my suggestion of having a davao service to anywhere (particularly HK) in asia, using CX of course...and they replied that my suggestion will be considered and that they will study the feasibility of the route...

that email was before pa nagkaroon ng dvo-hk ang CEB...i dont know if feasible pa ba for them ang route since the cebair is already servicing the route...

what i want to see in the davao sky, is a plane servicing dvo-macau, dvo-bkk, and/or dvo-tapei...:)

when i was in davao, dami ko talagang nakitang korean at japanese tourists...
napa isip tuloy ako, why not create a flight route to these countries...

balita pa noon, that Korean air will soon penetrate davao...
i hope Malaysia Airlines babalik...

IMHO, ive been to many airports in the philippines, pero except NAIA, for me lang DIA ang pinaka maganda, sayang ba it would complement, if daghan international flights ang present.

There maybe alot of retailers that goes to BKK but you have to take into account that it requires more than the retailers only. Other passengers such as tourists would be some of them. If there are enough market to warrant a direct link between two cities. Thai airways and even Cebu Pacific would grab that opportunity right away. It does not have to come from the two governments alone. We don't see even a chartered flight connecting the two cities, that pretty much tells us everything... It would be nice if DVO would have direct link to other asian cities as well, that's probably why Silk Air goes to Cebu first before flying directly to Singapore. Or Cathy Pacific don't serve HK -DVO route...


there will always be pressure from PAL on other airlines wanting to serve the DIA. take in account Air Macau and Viva Macau. these two airlines were ready to serve the davao-macau route. offices and advertisements were made. but it did not push through. why? CAB did not agree. the rumor is that PAL was objecting to the flights. now these two airlines did a feasibility study and agreed to do the flights. but the government prevented them.

marami pang airlines gustong gumawa ng circular routes, but the government is not agreeing. i have a mole within the CAAP to attest to this.

^^
and why did the government disagree?

@govinda.

remember that you told me that passengers from davao are one of the highest for northwest? how come they dont do a circular route nalang. like detroit-osaka(?)- davao-manila-osaka(?)-detroit?

yah DVO has a big US market but more on outgoing...not sustainable for direct services..(direct service is different from non-stop service)..

There maybe alot of retailers that goes to BKK but you have to take into account that it requires more than the retailers only. Other passengers such as tourists would be some of them. If there are enough market to warrant a direct link between two cities. Thai airways and even Cebu Pacific would grab that opportunity right away. It does not have to come from the two governments alone. We don't see even a chartered flight connecting the two cities, that pretty much tells us everything... It would be nice if DVO would have direct link to other asian cities as well, that's probably why Silk Air goes to Cebu first before flying directly to Singapore. Or Cathy Pacific don't serve HK -DVO route...

just a correction sir @mwg12a..
SilkAir does it alternately. There are days the flight goes to CEB first and there are days it does DVO first...

CX does not service DVO HKG route but they have a sales office in DVO..

^^
and why did the government disagree?

because of pressure from the national carrier.:ohno:

yah DVO has a big US market but more on outgoing...not sustainable for direct services..(direct service is different from non-stop service)..

d naman kasi daily flights. like once or twice a week maybe?

in relation to this, i think i have posted a message here before regarding this...
iv contacted CX (thru email)...i raised my suggestion of having a davao service to anywhere (particularly HK) in asia, using CX of course...and they replied that my suggestion will be considered and that they will study the feasibility of the route...

that email was before pa nagkaroon ng dvo-hk ang CEB...i dont know if feasible pa ba for them ang route since the cebair is already servicing the route...

what i want to see in the davao sky, is a plane servicing dvo-macau, dvo-bkk, and/or dvo-tapei...:)

feasible ang route provided smaller equipment and on a circular routing basis with CEB.

The DVO market to HKG is small but beyond is big. So in this case, again HKG will just be a transfer point..

because of pressure from the national carrier.:ohno:

really? PAL is pressuring them, in fact when v.mayor bonguyan asked mr.tan few months after the opening of the new DIA, na kung "maybe PAL can service direct international flights" and mr.tan just said "maybe"...
hwattt? then pa pressure pa siya...:ohno:

because of pressure from the national carrier.:ohno:

tama !

feasible ang route provided smaller equipment and on a circular routing basis with CEB.

The DVO market to HKG is small but beyond is big. So in this case, again HKG will just be a transfer point..

yes...pwede just like silk air...
you think they would be able to realised this? sana...

d naman kasi daily flights. like once or twice a week maybe?

highly improbable for a US carrier to operate in a Mindanao airport...CEB possible pa..

yes...pwede just like silk air...
you think they would be able to realised this? sana...

hopefully they will..we'll see in the next 2 years..

highly improbable for a US carrier to operate in a Mindanao airport...CEB possible pa..

may i ask why?

highly improbable for a US carrier to operate in a Mindanao airport...CEB possible pa..

why? because of security reasons na naman? or because the US downgraded the philippines' aviation?

may i ask why?

why? because of security reasons na naman? or because the US downgraded the philippines' aviation?

long list actually:

1.) security.
2.) downgraded by the FAA.
3.) sustainability.
4.) profit and loss.
5.) substantial American traffic.
6.) secondary cities.
7.) pax yield.

etc etc...

really? PAL is pressuring them, in fact when v.mayor bonguyan asked mr.tan few months after the opening of the new DIA, na kung "maybe PAL can service direct international flights" and mr.tan just said "maybe"...
hwattt? then pa pressure pa siya...:ohno:

tama !

tama talaga. the keep on pressuring cab not to allow foreign carriers at the dia and yet pal does not mount international flights from dia. greedy lang jud. hay nalang.

long list actually:

1.) security.
2.) downgraded by the FAA.
3.) sustainability.
4.) profit and loss.
5.) substantial American traffic.
6.) secondary cities.
7.) pax yield.

etc etc...

1) d naman delikado dito eh ( wrong perception lang nila)
2) given na yan ( tatanga tanga kasi eh)
3) well they can start with once a week flights (circular)
4) well they will only know when they mount the flights
5) d lang naman americano ang sasakay sa kanila eh. ( well pangit din talaga ang service ng northwest aka delta).
6) lahat man ng cities dito sa pinas ay secondary ( as per american standard kuno)
7) well they can develop the market and they can start with once a week flights.

tama talaga. the keep on pressuring cab not to allow foreign carriers at the dia and yet pal does not mount international flights from dia. greedy lang jud. hay nalang.

siguro they are planning na...they keep on featuring davao man pud sa magazines nila, but if pal dont want foreign carriers na mag open ng flights sa davao, then sila dapat mag open, buti pa ang cebu pacific...

sayang lang talaga ang davao airport...sayang ang facilities at ang structure itself.

just a correction sir @mwg12a..
SilkAir does it alternately. There are days the flight goes to CEB first and there are days it does DVO first...

CX does not service DVO HKG route but they have a sales office in DVO..

I'm aware of that. What I was trying to point at is that, they still have to pick up passengers from Cebu first for instance, that Singpore -DVO Cebu Singapore or singapore-cebu-dvo singapore, for instance... No single SING-DVO service just because DVO can provide enough market to link the two cities. As of yet, silk air has to pick up other passengers from other point before filling up DVO to Singa..

Any airlines can set up a sales office almost anywhere, it doesn't mean they will service that city. It's just a marketing strategy to get people to fly CX if they want to fly to HK. Especially that there is no good telemarketing service for airlines in the Philippines so they can just book their flights via phone, besides that, there are very limited foreign credit cards accepted in the Philippines, so, the next best thing to do is to have a satellite agent in keypoint cities in the Philippines like DVO. I know these because each time I would book tickets in the Philippines, I always end up having to go to their ticketing office, you can't do it by phone and that's a big hassle in itself.

there will always be pressure from PAL on other airlines wanting to serve the DIA. take in account Air Macau and Viva Macau. these two airlines were ready to serve the davao-macau route. offices and advertisements were made. but it did not push through. why? CAB did not agree. the rumor is that PAL was objecting to the flights. now these two airlines did a feasibility study and agreed to do the flights. but the government prevented them.

marami pang airlines gustong gumawa ng circular routes, but the government is not agreeing. i have a mole within the CAAP to attest to this.

We don't know these for sure. For all I care, there is no bilateral agreement or Macau isn't being fair. I'm sure if it's feasible for Macau and it's a big market for them, they would do whatever and probably would yield on certain bilateral agreement. PAL could of just offered direct flight to BKK from DVO. But, is there enough market? Yes, there are retailers, but other what about other sources? Is it enough to serve a single route?

yah DVO has a big US market but more on outgoing...not sustainable for direct services..(direct service is different from non-stop service)..

tama talaga. the keep on pressuring cab not to allow foreign carriers at the dia and yet pal does not mount international flights from dia. greedy lang jud. hay nalang.

The way I look at it. Airline companies usually look into the passenger activities of route, which means, not the domestic passenger activities but more on international passenger activities, if it's more than a million to two million passengers yearly in international activities alone. Foreign and even local airlines would tap certain market that would sustain that same market for a long period of time, not just a trial basis.

^^ :wave:

anong nangyari sa mga aerobridges!!!!! :lol:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3144/3063824300_c7331b43e9_b.jpg

Davao Airfield ca. 1947 :cheers:

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Ililipat na daw sa premier city. :lol:

pati ba naman yon pinagiinitan :lol: :jk: so that means may-maiiwan pang isa sa atin :lol: :jk:

^^ :wave:

anong nangyari sa mga aerobridges!!!!! :lol:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3144/3063824300_c7331b43e9_b.jpg

Ililipat na daw sa premier city. :lol:

pati ba naman yon pinagiinitan :lol: :jk: so that means may-maiiwan pang isa sa atin :lol: :jk:

Dalawa, actually. :lol:

Dalawa, actually. :lol:

naku, ano bang klaseng airport yon :lol: :jk: anyway, at least patas na ang laban, dalawang aerobridge sa lagindong (?) at dalawa sa bangoy, giGago! :cheers:

naku, ano bang klaseng airport yon :lol: :jk: anyway, at least patas na ang laban, dalawang aerobridge sa lagindong (?) at dalawa sa bangoy, giGago! :cheers:

Premier airport! :rofl:

Davao Airfield ca. 1947 :cheers:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3271/2948475086_b0f37e065a_o.jpg

wow. where did you get this photo? are there more?

I'm aware of that. What I was trying to point at is that, they still have to pick up passengers from Cebu first for instance, that Singpore -DVO Cebu Singapore or singapore-cebu-dvo singapore, for instance... No single SING-DVO service just because DVO can provide enough market to link the two cities. As of yet, silk air has to pick up other passengers from other point before filling up DVO to Singa..

Any airlines can set up a sales office almost anywhere, it doesn't mean they will service that city. It's just a marketing strategy to get people to fly CX if they want to fly to HK. Especially that there is no good telemarketing service for airlines in the Philippines so they can just book their flights via phone, besides that, there are very limited foreign credit cards accepted in the Philippines, so, the next best thing to do is to have a satellite agent in keypoint cities in the Philippines like DVO. I know these because each time I would book tickets in the Philippines, I always end up having to go to their ticketing office, you can't do it by phone and that's a big hassle in itself.



We don't know these for sure. For all I care, there is no bilateral agreement or Macau isn't being fair. I'm sure if it's feasible for Macau and it's a big market for them, they would do whatever and probably would yield on certain bilateral agreement. PAL could of just offered direct flight to BKK from DVO. But, is there enough market? Yes, there are retailers, but other what about other sources? Is it enough to serve a single route?





The way I look at it. Airline companies usually look into the passenger activities of route, which means, not the domestic passenger activities but more on international passenger activities, if it's more than a million to two million passengers yearly in international activities alone. Foreign and even local airlines would tap certain market that would sustain that same market for a long period of time, not just a trial basis.


it is sure that pal does not agree with air macau and viva macau servicing davao. that is a fact and my friends in pal and caap can attest to that. heck they were the ones who told me that. d naman sila siguro mag lie about those things.

I'm aware of that. What I was trying to point at is that, they still have to pick up passengers from Cebu first for instance, that Singpore -DVO Cebu Singapore or singapore-cebu-dvo singapore, for instance... No single SING-DVO service just because DVO can provide enough market to link the two cities. As of yet, silk air has to pick up other passengers from other point before filling up DVO to Singa..

Any airlines can set up a sales office almost anywhere, it doesn't mean they will service that city. It's just a marketing strategy to get people to fly CX if they want to fly to HK. Especially that there is no good telemarketing service for airlines in the Philippines so they can just book their flights via phone, besides that, there are very limited foreign credit cards accepted in the Philippines, so, the next best thing to do is to have a satellite agent in keypoint cities in the Philippines like DVO. I know these because each time I would book tickets in the Philippines, I always end up having to go to their ticketing office, you can't do it by phone and that's a big hassle in itself.



We don't know these for sure. For all I care, there is no bilateral agreement or Macau isn't being fair. I'm sure if it's feasible for Macau and it's a big market for them, they would do whatever and probably would yield on certain bilateral agreement. PAL could of just offered direct flight to BKK from DVO. But, is there enough market? Yes, there are retailers, but other what about other sources? Is it enough to serve a single route?





The way I look at it. Airline companies usually look into the passenger activities of route, which means, not the domestic passenger activities but more on international passenger activities, if it's more than a million to two million passengers yearly in international activities alone. Foreign and even local airlines would tap certain market that would sustain that same market for a long period of time, not just a trial basis.


i speak as a former staff of SilkAir, there are CAB restrictions on seat capacity that the airline follows. correct, not enough market terminating in SIN because the market in DVO is beyond SIN and passengers are using SIN as transfer point. In fact, an average of 85% of the load is going onwards to Europe, Oceania and the Middle East.

Well I guess I didn't say anywhere here that CX would service DVO because they have a sales office in Davao..

But allow me to tell you that SilkAir started in Davao as an offline station or just a sales office until flights were mounted.

No, it would not be feasible for PR to operate BKK services but might be possible for TG because TG has onward flight connections. BKK then can be used as a transfer point.

if CX won't operate Davao-HK routes, then PAL will just do it, competition nga lang sa CEB. and yeah, probably they will use larger aircrafts.. but yeah, let's wait and see. we can't really predict the future though.

also, I really want na matuloy ang Air Macau. I thought mapupush through na yun siya noon. Sayang talaga.

about the old picture of the Davao Airfield.. where did you get that pic? AMAZING

arianspace knows alot about these things so let's see what he had to say about these. We can be a staff or former employee of an airline company but we surely wouldn't really know the real score on the news unless we work in the main office or corporate center of let's say Silkair. All we can do is to speculate based on hearsay or words we hear from rumors here and there.

^^
The following arguments are correct:



Any airlines can set up a sales office almost anywhere, it doesn't mean they will service that city. It's just a marketing strategy to get people to fly CX if they want to fly to HK.

PAL could of just offered direct flight to BKK from DVO. But, is there enough market? Yes, there are retailers, but other what about other sources? Is it enough to serve a single route?

Foreign and even local airlines would tap certain market that would sustain that same market for a long period of time, not just a trial basis.

Philippine Airlines do have sales offices in New York and Chicago and most major cities in Europe yet it never flew there.

Actually, having a sales office is a useful tool on traffic projection and planning. Together with sales generated from travel agencies, Data generated from it will be used as an indication of origin and disembarkation (O&D) traffic. The more they can generate in sales, the most likely there are reasons of travel activity that will make a propose destination viable. If the airline can succeed filling half of its intended aircraft capacity, say Airbus 320, then they may risk mounting a flight and develop its market potential along the way. If its lower than that, they have to be ready to subsidize it.

The key word there is SUSTAINABILITY.

Say for example, if a locality like Davao can generate an average daily sales of 100 tickets for Singapore from Manila in a years time, then it can be assumed that those travelers comes from Davao and bound to Singapore and onwards. The travelers just have to pass Manila as its transit point. 5 years is enough to get the figure right. Although sometimes LCC use only 3 years worth of database to decide.

Cebu pacific does it this way. So when they mount flights to Singapore and Hong Kong from Davao, they already have data to back it up and launch flight successfully. Cathay Pacific and Singapore Airlines does it the same way.

Triangular route networks as oppose to point to point service are also commonly used by airlines with insufficient aircraft. One of them is Philippine Airlines on its Australia run.

However, not all projections are anchored on solid grounds. World events affect projected passenger movements like the 1997 Asian financial crisis, 9-11, SARS, and 2008 World oil and financial crisis. In fact, recent IATA Asia-Pacific figures in 2008 showed a massive decline of passenger movements. Only the Philippines showed a bright light when it managed to post a positive growth.


i speak as a former staff of SilkAir, there are CAB restrictions on seat capacity that the airline follows. correct, not enough market terminating in SIN because the market in DVO is beyond SIN and passengers are using SIN as transfer point. In fact, an average of 85% of the load is going onwards to Europe, Oceania and the Middle East.

Well I guess I didn't say anywhere here that CX would service DVO because they have a sales office in Davao..

But allow me to tell you that SilkAir started in Davao as an offline station or just a sales office until flights were mounted.

No, it would not be feasible for PR to operate BKK services but might be possible for TG because TG has onward flight connections. BKK then can be used as a transfer point.

Govinda is referring to seat entitlements in accordance with 1996 Philippines-Singapore Air Transport Agreement in reference to travels made between Manila, Cebu and Davao to Singapore. Singapore is not part of EAGA so no open skies for them. By 2015 however, it will be a different ball game.

Philippine Airlines do have rights to fly Singapore from Davao at 2x per week A320/ B734 capacity but never mount one. Silk Air flew in behalf of Singapore Airlines on March 23, 1997 on a bi-weekly basis via Cebu. The ASA amendment in 2007 triple it to 7x weekly, giving another 3 for Cebu Pacific and two unallocated slot possibly for Zest Air. Silk Air made it daily by triangulating the service with Cebu because it is only entitled to 3. Silk Air really has the upper hand on this route since it was the first to promote and develop it.

if CX won't operate Davao-HK routes, then PAL will just do it, competition nga lang sa CEB. and yeah, probably they will use larger aircrafts.. but yeah, let's wait and see. we can't really predict the future though.

Cathay Pacific may not be too far fetched as it considered Davao and Iloilo as future destinations of CX in 2004 yet they never managed to put it online even if they already have rights to fly there. It simply meant that there was not enough OD traffic based on their standards. More so when their smallest equipment is the Airbus 330.

Therefore, based on my example, that would mean 200 ticket sales from Davao on a single flight alone. But mounting a single flight with that kind of aircraft is never feasible. The least Cathay can do is mount twice a week service equivalent to 400 ticket sales per week and the sale should be made all year round.

Low cost carrier (LCC) Cebu Pacific manages to offer 360 seats to Hong Kong in a week yet it never managed to fill it to the brim. Its average load factor so far hovers slightly above 70% since it started flying. Thats roughly 255-260 souls per week average. You might say you traveled once with them in full but that may just be the peak times or right after a day of cancellations. How much more can it generate with a legacy carrier. Davao can't even fill a single Airbus 330 even if both PR and CX have it code-shared.

Market economics is simply not there yet.

Consider the following airlines. They have the rights to fly to Davao yet never manage to mount a single flight.

Philippine Airlines- Tokyo, Hong Kong, Darwin, Seoul, Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Koror, Yap, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Manado, Kota Kinabalu, Labuan, Macau

Northwest Airlines/ United Airlines, either but not both per 1993 ASA US mainland
Japan Airlines to Tokyo
Qantas, Darwin to be flown by Jetstar. Still TBA though
Singapore Airlines, now flown by regional subsidiary Silk Air
Malaysia Airlines, Kuala Lumpur, Kota Kinabalu to be flown by MAS wings sometime 2010, Labuan TBA
Cathay Pacific, to be flown by Dragon Air, originally 2009, moved to 2010
Korean Air, Seoul
Continental Micronesia, Koror and Yap
Thai Airways, Bangkok, Chang Mai
Royal Brunei, BSB
Garuda, to Manado, Balikpapan, Makassar and Jakarta
Lion Air, now served by Wings Air
Asian Spirit/Zest, Seoul, Macau,

new applicants
Air Macau, applications withdrawn
Air Asia, Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur subject to new ASA
Tiger Airways, TBA

Thats how plenty they are. To think of it some ASA have expired already for non-use. Thats why I said in the previous post that the government is wasting so much money by going to countries to enter new ASA's with no airlines willing to service them but just in guise of trade to justify expense and some worthless state travels. Thats how useless some agreements are.

it is sure that pal does not agree with air macau and viva macau servicing davao. that is a fact and my friends in pal and caap can attest to that. heck they were the ones who told me that. d naman sila siguro mag lie about those things.

Well, your friends in PAL and CAAP figure it wrongly. And since CAB office can only be found in Manila probably what they were telling you could be taken from thin air.

There was no such argument between Air Macau and Philippine Airlines. In fact both airlines cooperated to develop Macau market. I think the dispute referred to was Macau's refusal to open their territory to Cebu Pacific and Asian Spirit, yet it approved Tiger airways flight to Clark after the EO 500 fiasco which made local airlines including PAL crying foul.

So basically its a dispute between two governments and not airlines since only the government can give landing rights. Airlines can only apply for its use. The dispute was however resolved when it eventually allowed the two airlines in. Governments even agreed to increase the seats coming from both countries.

Mind you not all landing rights are correspondingly serviced by airlines like the recent ASA between the Philippines and New Zealand.

I hope I'm enlighting everyone here! :)

^^
Air Macau sana, daming koreans sa davao eh, bat naman withdrawn, or baka application not accepted?

thats why may Zest Air sa international check in area ng DIA, they will be having international flights na pala, maybe this year na...:banana:

dami sanang routes ang PAL from DIA, pero ni isa hindi nag se service ang PAL

Are European chartered flights not common in Davao? I think that Davao has potential for this, due to the close proximity of everything to do and everywhere to go to in Davao, at least from my observation. All that's lacking really is a more streamlined public transportation system, but in terms of main roads Davao is doing pretty well.

arianspace knows alot about these things so let's see what he had to say about these. We can be a staff or former employee of an airline company but we surely wouldn't really know the real score on the news unless we work in the main office or corporate center of let's say Silkair. All we can do is to speculate based on hearsay or words we hear from rumors here and there.

well my mole isnt just "staff or employee of an airline company". he holds a very high position within pal.

arianspace knows alot about these things so let's see what he had to say about these. We can be a staff or former employee of an airline company but we surely wouldn't really know the real score on the news unless we work in the main office or corporate center of let's say Silkair. All we can do is to speculate based on hearsay or words we hear from rumors here and there.

well, I was with SilkAir for 8 years, not just an ordinary staff...

well, I was with SilkAir for 8 years, not just an ordinary staff...

Yeah, I understand but still not the real big wigs based in Singapore who knows all the plan by heart and they are the one who keeps it hush hush to everybody else. I'm sure you know alot about silkair's internal affairs.

i know this is a far-out question, but does anyone in this forum knows the exact land area of the whole complex of Davao Intl Airport? Thanks.

^^

Oh, that's a legit question for sure. I think xzibit had this info posted in this thread before...

Yeah, I understand but still not the real big wigs based in Singapore who knows all the plan by heart and they are the one who keeps it hush hush to everybody else. I'm sure you know alot about silkair's internal affairs.

Usually Singapore Airlines or SIA has the final say for all the plans, being the parent airline of SilkAir.

i know this is a far-out question, but does anyone in this forum knows the exact land area of the whole complex of Davao Intl Airport? Thanks.

209 Hectares.

uhh. okay! thanks! :)

DIA LANDSIDE FACTS AND FIGURES

here are the other figures if your interested:

Apron 75,250 sq/m, eqv 9 aircraft positions.
Passenger Terminal 17,500 sq/m floor space
Passenger Capacity 2 million max, expected traffic breach by 2016.
1,040 pax max at peak hours
(max based on FAA standard ranges)
Cargo Terminal 5,580 sq/m floor space

FINANCIAL AND ECONOMIC REEVALUATION
(Based on 2003 Revised evaluation)
Original Data was made in 1995

2005 traffic Projections
858,480 Domestic
52,016 International

2005 actual traffic
1,201,762 Domestic
27,088 International

TERMINAL CAPACITY ANALYSIS
2012-2018 Terminal expansion at 15,400 sq/m. Northside


FINANCIAL ANALYSIS
Return of Investment (ROI) -1.3%
Revenue (2004) $1.6 million dollars

A negative rating makes the project economically not viable. It is expected to earn profits by 2011. In the construction of Davao, emphasis was made on international passenger and cargo traffic which never materialized. Its where the money should be coming. It never came.

However, with the launching of more and additional international flights by Asian Spirit, Cebu Pacific, Silk Air, and Wings Air, starting 2006 it might offset the negative traffic projection resulting to its income deficiency and its first income might come as early as 2009.

LESSONS LEARNED
International Traffic, passenger or cargo or both, makes a new and modern international airport economically viable and self sufficient. It took Davao five years to reap the rewards when it was supposed to generate revenue on the first year of operation based on the traffic plan made in 1995 as revised in 2003 when it finally opened to the public.

As I was saying before in the other threads, Subic paid its dues courtesy of Fedex while Gensan failed altogether. It still is a white elephant if we are talking economic sense. Clark almost have it but then failed again. Bacolod and Iloilo airports are still being calculated. The good news is expected domestic traffic was met. As new terminal fees were being implemented so are the projected increase of the airports income which would then pay for its loan. I hope!

DIA LANDSIDE FACTS AND FIGURES

TERMINAL CAPACITY ANALYSIS
2012-2018 Terminal expansion at 15,400 sq/m. Northside



hey arianespace, does this account for adding new aerobridges or just extending the terminal wing? just curious.

GES is a huge airport. :) thanks for the info arianespace

wow. where did you get this photo? are there more?


about the old picture of the Davao Airfield.. where did you get that pic? AMAZING

j&b of flickR (his dad was a uccp pastor assigned in dvo/mindanao after the war)

one more photo of davao airfield ca. 1947 :cheers:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3236/2947617693_6cb54e2090_o.jpg

Wow. Oldies :)

j&b of flickR (his dad was a uccp pastor assigned in dvo/mindanao after the war)

one more photo of davao airfield ca. 1947 :cheers:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3236/2947617693_6cb54e2090_o.jpg

more of these kinds of photos please.:)

vintage!!

sir @arianespace

i believe i stated the key word in my previous post..


long list actually:

1.) security.
2.) downgraded by the FAA.
3.) sustainability.4.) profit and loss.
5.) substantial American traffic.
6.) secondary cities.
7.) pax yield.

etc etc...

^^
The following arguments are correct:



Philippine Airlines do have sales offices in New York and Chicago and most major cities in Europe yet it never flew there.

Actually, having a sales office is a useful tool on traffic projection and planning. Together with sales generated from travel agencies, Data generated from it will be used as an indication of origin and disembarkation (O&D) traffic. The more they can generate in sales, the most likely there are reasons of travel activity that will make a propose destination viable. If the airline can succeed filling half of its intended aircraft capacity, say Airbus 320, then they may risk mounting a flight and develop its market potential along the way. If its lower than that, they have to be ready to subsidize it.

The key word there is SUSTAINABILITY.

Say for example, if a locality like Davao can generate an average daily sales of 100 tickets for Singapore from Manila in a years time, then it can be assumed that those travelers comes from Davao and bound to Singapore and onwards. The travelers just have to pass Manila as its transit point. 5 years is enough to get the figure right. Although sometimes LCC use only 3 years worth of database to decide.

Cebu pacific does it this way. So when they mount flights to Singapore and Hong Kong from Davao, they already have data to back it up and launch flight successfully. Cathay Pacific and Singapore Airlines does it the same way.

Triangular route networks as oppose to point to point service are also commonly used by airlines with insufficient aircraft. One of them is Philippine Airlines on its Australia run.

However, not all projections are anchored on solid grounds. World events affect projected passenger movements like the 1997 Asian financial crisis, 9-11, SARS, and 2008 World oil and financial crisis. In fact, recent IATA Asia-Pacific figures in 2008 showed a massive decline of passenger movements. Only the Philippines showed a bright light when it managed to post a positive growth.




Govinda is referring to seat entitlements in accordance with 1996 Philippines-Singapore Air Transport Agreement in reference to travels made between Manila, Cebu and Davao to Singapore. Singapore is not part of EAGA so no open skies for them. By 2015 however, it will be a different ball game.

Philippine Airlines do have rights to fly Singapore from Davao at 2x per week A320/ B734 capacity but never mount one. Silk Air flew in behalf of Singapore Airlines on March 23, 1997 on a bi-weekly basis via Cebu. The ASA amendment in 2007 triple it to 7x weekly, giving another 3 for Cebu Pacific and two unallocated slot possibly for Zest Air. Silk Air made it daily by triangulating the service with Cebu because it is only entitled to 3. Silk Air really has the upper hand on this route since it was the first to promote and develop it.



Cathay Pacific may not be too far fetched as it considered Davao and Iloilo as future destinations of CX in 2004 yet they never managed to put it online even if they already have rights to fly there. It simply meant that there was not enough OD traffic based on their standards. More so when their smallest equipment is the Airbus 330.

Therefore, based on my example, that would mean 200 ticket sales from Davao on a single flight alone. But mounting a single flight with that kind of aircraft is never feasible. The least Cathay can do is mount twice a week service equivalent to 400 ticket sales per week and the sale should be made all year round.

Low cost carrier (LCC) Cebu Pacific manages to offer 360 seats to Hong Kong in a week yet it never managed to fill it to the brim. Its average load factor so far hovers slightly above 70% since it started flying. Thats roughly 255-260 souls per week average. You might say you traveled once with them in full but that may just be the peak times or right after a day of cancellations. How much more can it generate with a legacy carrier. Davao can't even fill a single Airbus 330 even if both PR and CX have it code-shared.

Market economics is simply not there yet.

Consider the following airlines. They have the rights to fly to Davao yet never manage to mount a single flight.

Philippine Airlines- Tokyo, Hong Kong, Darwin, Seoul, Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Koror, Yap, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Manado, Kota Kinabalu, Labuan, Macau

Northwest Airlines/ United Airlines, either but not both per 1993 ASA US mainland
Japan Airlines to Tokyo
Qantas, Darwin to be flown by Jetstar. Still TBA though
Singapore Airlines, now flown by regional subsidiary Silk Air
Malaysia Airlines, Kuala Lumpur, Kota Kinabalu to be flown by MAS wings sometime 2010, Labuan TBA
Cathay Pacific, to be flown by Dragon Air, originally 2009, moved to 2010
Korean Air, Seoul
Continental Micronesia, Koror and Yap
Thai Airways, Bangkok, Chang Mai
Royal Brunei, BSB
Garuda, to Manado, Balikpapan, Makassar and Jakarta
Lion Air, now served by Wings Air
Asian Spirit/Zest, Seoul, Macau,

new applicants
Air Macau, applications withdrawn
Air Asia, Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur subject to new ASA
Tiger Airways, TBA

Thats how plenty they are. To think of it some ASA have expired already for non-use. Thats why I said in the previous post that the government is wasting so much money by going to countries to enter new ASA's with no airlines willing to service them but just in guise of trade to justify expense and some worthless state travels. Thats how useless some agreements are.



Well, your friends in PAL and CAAP figure it wrongly. And since CAB office can only be found in Manila probably what they were telling you could be taken from thin air.

There was no such argument between Air Macau and Philippine Airlines. In fact both airlines cooperated to develop Macau market. I think the dispute referred to was Macau's refusal to open their territory to Cebu Pacific and Asian Spirit, yet it approved Tiger airways flight to Clark after the EO 500 fiasco which made local airlines including PAL crying foul.

So basically its a dispute between two governments and not airlines since only the government can give landing rights. Airlines can only apply for its use. The dispute was however resolved when it eventually allowed the two airlines in. Governments even agreed to increase the seats coming from both countries.

Mind you not all landing rights are correspondingly serviced by airlines like the recent ASA between the Philippines and New Zealand.

I hope I'm enlighting everyone here! :)

State Visit Ends On A High Note
By M K Anwar in Manila

Bandar Seri Begawan - His Majesty the Sultan and Yang Di-Pertuan of Brunei Darussalam and Philippines President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo have reaffirmed their desire to further deepen and expand their relations, with a view to helping each other not only in their respective national development efforts, but also in addressing regional and global challenges.
This was stated in the joint statement released by both countries following the state visit by His Majesty to the Philippines which ended yesterday.

The state visit with the theme, "Silver Anniversary of Friendship with a Friend of Peace", affirmed the longstanding relations reflect the close historical, political, economic, cultural and kinship ties that will be further strengthened and carried on in the next 25 years and beyond.

Both leaders expressed satisfaction with the outcome of the meeting which will further strengthen the bilateral ties between the two countries. They reaffirmed their strong commitment to enhance the existing friendship and cooperation between the Republic of the Philippines and Brunei Darussalam based on mutual respect, understanding, beneficial and effective cooperation, in line with the Treaty of Finlay and Cooperation in Southeast Asia and the


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principles of justice and international law.

President Arroyo expressed appreciation for Brunei Darussalam's unwavering commitment to and support in achieving lasting peace and development in Mindanao, notably through the sustained participation of Brunei Darussalam in the International Monitoring Team (IMT) in southern Philippines and deployment of additional peace monitors.

President Arroyo also thanked His Majesty for the assistance given to the Philippines for the construction of the Grand Mosque project which will serve as a centerpiece of the Islamic and Civic Center in Cotahato City, and the scholarship programmed for Filipino Madrasah teachers and school administrators at the University Brunei Darussalam (UBD).

His Majesty, meanwhile, assured the Philippines that Brunei Darussalam would continue its active involvement and support for these peace initiatives in Southern Philippines.

In enhancing trade and investments relations between the Philippines and Brunei Darussalam, both countries were pleased that private sector involvement in the enhancement of economic cooperation is increasing.

They welcomed the signing of the Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) between

Crestar Communications, Inc of the Philippines and the Brunei Economic Development Board and that this could further enhance cooperation in the field of information and communications technology and serve as a means to create greater opportunities for people-to-people contacts that would lead to a stronger bond between the two countries.

Both Leaders were also delighted to learn that Pacific Pearl Airways will have its inaugural chartered flight on April 3, 2009, covering the Davao-Brunei-Davao route.

Acknowledging Brunei Darussalam’s interest in the experience and expertise of the Philippines in rice production, the Philippines Agriculture Secretary will be leading a delegation to Brunei Darussalam to discuss with his counterpart possible areas of mutual cooperation in agriculture.

President Arroyo raised the importance of Brunei's support to the efforts being made by ASEAN to the Chiang Mai Initiative. In view of Brunei's highly accepted Halal brand, President Arroyo broached to His Majesty the possibility of considering Mindanao as a source of halal products.

His Majesty who arrived in the Philippines on Thursday ended the state visit yesterday. -- Courtesy of Borneo Bulletin

ayos ah. another international chartered flight.

here is the link to the article.

http://www.brudirect.com/DailyInfo/News/Archive/Feb09/01/nite01.htm

^^
what other airline companies pa ang may chartered flights from DIA?

asian spirit/zest?, airphilippines?

:)

^^

That's good news- Davao-Brunie-Davao route being served by Pacific Pearl Airways...:cheers:

here is another good news.

i hope this will spur flights between the mid east and davao.

link...http://business.inquirer.net/money/topstories/view/20090201-186857/More-flights-between-RP-UAE-in-new-deal

More flights between RP, UAE in new deal

By Elizabeth Sanchez-Lacson
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 21:15:00 02/01/2009



MANILA, Philippines -- The Philippines and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) have reached a bilateral accord allowing 89 more flights between the two countries.

Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) deputy director Porvenir Porciuncula said flag carriers of both countries would have an additional five weekly flights on top of the current nine flights connecting Manila to Dubai and Abu Dhabi, the capital of UAE.

Carriers of both countries were also granted 42 additional flights a week to Clark from Dubai, Sharjah and Abu Dhabi.

The airlines may also add 21 more flights a week between Cebu and points in the UAE—Sharjah, Dubai or Abu Dhabi.

Previously, airlines were allowed to fly five times a week to either Clark or Cebu from the UAE.

An additional 21 weekly flight frequencies were allowed for points other than Manila, Clark and Cebu—such as Davao, Iloilo, Laoag and other destinations.

The bilateral air talks were held in Abu Dhabi from January 28 to 29.

The air deal was sealed on Thursday.

Is PAL servicing these routes ? Or, it means that even ethiad or emirates airways are allowed up to DVO now? Would be nice if the two UAE airliners would reach DVO as well.

Is PAL servicing these routes ? Or, it means that even ethiad or emirates airways are allowed up to DVO now? Would be nice if the two UAE airliners would reach DVO as well.

i guess pal, ethiad, and emirates are allowed to come to davao. or kungg sino ang mauuna, or maybe code share agreement.

Yeah, I think it's all UAE carriers, I just saw it in arianspace post in airline, airliners thread. It benefits their carriers ... But read it again, I think it goes to Clark, Cebu and Manila only..... I guess on this article you already posted here, it did mention DVO. Just too bad for PAL but it's not too bad for DVO.

Yeah, I think it's all UAE carriers, I just saw it in arianspace post in airline, airliners thread. It benefits their carriers ... But read it again, I think it goes to Clark, Cebu and Manila only..... I guess on this article you already posted here, it did mention DVO. Just too bad for PAL but it's not too bad for DVO.

so you mean that this is a one sided agreement? ok lang ba ito?

Not bad for DVO ofcourse, just for PAL. DVO would still get more flights coming in and perhaps Ethiad or emirates airways would finally fly into DVO, but dont quote me on this one okay? I was just saying, DVO would still benefit from this...

Not bad for DVO ofcourse, just for PAL. DVO would still get more flights coming in and perhaps Ethiad or emirates airways would finally fly into DVO, but dont quote me on this one okay? I was just saying, DVO would still benefit from this...

yup i know. i hope that the mideast carriers would take notice of DVO and fly in. it could be a circular route like dubai-dv0-ceb-dubai or anything.:lol:

^^


Correct. There is no restriction to fly in EAGA as long as you fly in East Malaysia, particularly Sandakan and Kota Kinabalu.

The problem is Air Asia intends to fly from Kuala Lumpur not Kota Kinabalu or Sandakan. Asian Spirit even had difficulty filling 50% of the YS-11 capacity on a 3x per week flight from Zamboanga what more the airbus 320. Although I must admit that sometimes special flight is necessary in that route. If they were operating a turboprop plane that would have been possible.

http://www.mynetbizz.com/low-cost-airlines/wings-air-indonesia.jpg

However you plan it the next best thing for EAGA is not the jet but the turboprop. At least not yet. They might perhaps follow the cue of Wings Air.

I agree with the turbo props, the area actually has limited market to sustain bigger more expensive planes for now.

The interesting thing with Air Asia (and other LCC's for that matter) and the other existing ASA or the EAGA is that they develop routes and are willing to lose in the short term to develop the market. Existing ASA with Main line carriers are wasted because their business models are different. I believe Davao could be like a Clark where LCC's may open the market. So while there are a lot of existing ASA's they are given to the wrong airlines or positioned in the wrong market.

Imagine if Air Asia did fly to Davao, with a little imagination one could by hubbing through KLIA, go to points west like peninsular south east asia, ME and Europe on a much cheaper basis than through mainline routes in Manila.

Anyway a few more years and ASEAN open skies will get to Davao and at the very least the Singapore hub would put more international flyers through DAVAO rather than hubbing through Manila. Better for all.

i guess pal, ethiad, and emirates are allowed to come to davao. or kungg sino ang mauuna, or maybe code share agreement.

theres a possiblity that cebpac will service these routes, since carrier din siya ng PI, yun nga lang they have to purchase bigger aircrfats...

i think Etihad is the 1st national carrier of UAE?:dunno:

UPdate: ill answer my question;
Emirates - based in Dubai
Etihad - Based in Abu Dhabi

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Transition to Zest Airways
Asian Spirit was sold to AMY Holdings, a holding company controlled by businessman Alfredo M. Yao, in March 2008. After the success of the takeover, Yao expressed interest in merging Asian Spirit with South East Asian Airlines (SEAIR). The two airlines have been in merger talks and were expected to make a decision soon. Yao was supposed to purchase a sixty percent stake in SEAIR,although the deal fell through because of a stolid response from SEAIR management.

On September 30, 2008, Asian Spirit officially announced that it will be re-branding itself as Zest Airways. Reports say the name switch reflects the Yao's stake in the company, as well as an allusion to the flagship business of AMY Holdings: juicemaker Zest-O. The firm’s board approved the name change in August, while the Civil Aeronautics Board approved the switch earlier this month.

The airline wants to fly to three international points to Sandakan, Malaysia from Zamboanga, to Seoul from Kalibo, Laoag, and Davao, and Macau from Angeles City. It intends to commence international expansion to Bangkok and Singapore from Manila sometimes in 2009.

DIA
Runway
The airport has a single 3,000 meter long runway that can handle wide-bodied aircraft such as Airbus 330, Airbus 340 , Boeing 747 and even Airbus 380. The installation of a new landing instrumentation system (ILS) for both Runways 05 and 23 upgraded its compliance to International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) operating category-Precision Approach Category 1. It can accomodate 8-10 aircraft landings per hour, depending on size and has the equivalent 8 gate holding areas for those aircrafts.

Transition to Zest Airways
Asian Spirit was sold to AMY Holdings, a holding company controlled by businessman Alfredo M. Yao, in March 2008. After the success of the takeover, Yao expressed interest in merging Asian Spirit with South East Asian Airlines (SEAIR). The two airlines have been in merger talks and were expected to make a decision soon. Yao was supposed to purchase a sixty percent stake in SEAIR,although the deal fell through because of a stolid response from SEAIR management.

On September 30, 2008, Asian Spirit officially announced that it will be re-branding itself as Zest Airways. Reports say the name switch reflects the Yao's stake in the company, as well as an allusion to the flagship business of AMY Holdings: juicemaker Zest-O. The firm’s board approved the name change in August, while the Civil Aeronautics Board approved the switch earlier this month.

The airline wants to fly to three international points to Sandakan, Malaysia from Zamboanga, to Seoul from Kalibo, Laoag, and Davao, and Macau from Angeles City. It intends to commence international expansion to Bangkok and Singapore from Manila sometimes in 2009.

DIA
Runway
The airport has a single 3,000 meter long runway that can handle wide-bodied aircraft such as Airbus 330, Airbus 340 , Boeing 747 and even Airbus 380. The installation of a new landing instrumentation system (ILS) for both Runways 05 and 23 upgraded its compliance to International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) operating category-Precision Approach Category 1. It can accomodate 8-10 aircraft landings per hour, depending on size and has the equivalent 8 gate holding areas for those aircrafts.

airbus 380? talaga? can anyone confirm this. IMHO, 3000 meters cannot handle a full 380.

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maybe a single A 380, and without any aircraft on the runway, i think itll do...

thats only from wikipedia...:)

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maybe a single A 380, and without any aircraft on the runway, i think itll do...

thats only from wikipedia...:)

wikipedia? hay nako..dont ever trust wikipedia. ang dalii-edit nun site na yun...
hehehehe

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sino naman kaya ang may lakas ng loob para e edit at lagyan ng A 380...:lol:

hey, since the opening of the new airport, eto pa lang ang mga naging at present international flights ng DIA (hope tama ko)...

Singapore
Hong Kong
Koror, Palau
Manado, Indonesia
Chartered Flights: Seoul and Macau

:)

Dami, yuong walang magawa sa buhay.... he he

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airbus 380? talaga? can anyone confirm this. IMHO, 3000 meters cannot handle a full 380.

If nobody does I'll confirm it. Airbus 380 can lift as short as 1,500 meters and can stop as short as that. I even have the luxury of watching it perform such maneuver in Farnborough. If it carries full passengers and cargo (MTOW) it only needs 2,700 meters to take off.

Davao airport has 8 holding areas. We call it stand. but it has only 4 gates for now. It will have 2 more soon.

And one more thing, generally, there can only be one aircraft on the runway at any given time until the arriving aircraft commence 180 degrees turn to taxi and ramp. It is up to that time when another aircraft is permitted to enter the runway for taxi and take off to the opposite end. But never another landing.

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If nobody does I'll confirm it. Airbus 380 can lift as short as 1,500 meters and can stop as short as that. I even have the luxury of watching it perform such maneuver in Farnborough. If it carries full passengers and cargo (MTOW) it only needs 2,700 meters to take off.

Davao airport has 8 holding areas. We call it stand. but it has only 4 gates for now. It will have 2 more soon.

And one more thing, generally, there can only be one aircraft on the runway at any given time until the arriving aircraft commence 180 degrees turn to taxi and ramp. It is up to that time when another aircraft is permitted to enter the runway for taxi and take off to the opposite end. But never another landing.

how many meters does it need to land, fully loaded?

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The official figure is 1120 meters overweight loaded.

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You must remember that its not fully loaded anymore when it lands. The only time it does that is during flight testing because emergency landing procedures require dumping of fuel to avoid fire on landing particularly those involving breach of structural integrity.

Take for example, Singapore to London A380 flight of Singapore Airlines. While, its passenger and cargo weight remains the same its fuel load is almost gone. So basically its always lighter when it lands.

The take-off weight (MTOW) includes provisions for fuel. If you exclude fuel, the operating weight (OEW) is 276,800 kg (610,000 lb). If you want to fill it with fuel to the maximum, it will weigh 560,000 kg (1,200,000 lb). Meaning, it will carry more fuel load than both the weight of the passengers and cargoes on board combined at 283,200 kgs.

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If nobody does I'll confirm it. Airbus 380 can lift as short as 1,500 meters and can stop as short as that. I even have the luxury of watching it perform such maneuver in Farnborough. If it carries full passengers and cargo (MTOW) it only needs 2,700 meters to take off.

Davao airport has 8 holding areas. We call it stand. but it has only 4 gates for now. It will have 2 more soon.

And one more thing, generally, there can only be one aircraft on the runway at any given time until the arriving aircraft commence 180 degrees turn to taxi and ramp. It is up to that time when another aircraft is permitted to enter the runway for taxi and take off to the opposite end. But never another landing.

Whoa...this one almost popped my eyes out. I hope this would happen soon. :cheers:

When did you go to Farnborough? It it was 2006, I was there too and saw that big whale of a plane fly...!

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If nobody does I'll confirm it. Airbus 380 can lift as short as 1,500 meters and can stop as short as that. I even have the luxury of watching it perform such maneuver in Farnborough. If it carries full passengers and cargo (MTOW) it only needs 2,700 meters to take off.

Davao airport has 8 holding areas. We call it stand. but it has only 4 gates for now. It will have 2 more soon.

And one more thing, generally, there can only be one aircraft on the runway at any given time until the arriving aircraft commence 180 degrees turn to taxi and ramp. It is up to that time when another aircraft is permitted to enter the runway for taxi and take off to the opposite end. But never another landing.

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And one more thing, generally, there can only be one aircraft on the runway at any given time until the arriving aircraft commence 180 degrees turn to taxi and ramp. It is up to that time when another aircraft is permitted to enter the runway for taxi and take off to the opposite end. But never another landing.

one reason kung bakit nagkakadelay ang mga flights dito. :ohno:

Whoa...this one almost popped my eyes out. I hope this would happen soon. :cheers:

ditto :cheers:

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The official figure is 1120 meters overweight loaded.



wow! now that is short! so this means that DIA is capable of accommodating the A380 (landing and takeoff).

now, my next question would be. Is the runway sturdy enough to absorb the landing and take-off weight of the A380?