General Information Submit Correction
Country Philippines
ICAO RPMD
IATA DVO
City Davao
Island group Mindanao I
Time UTC+8
Elevation 00096
Clearance Status AOE
Overflight/Landing Permits Overflight: YES Landing: YES
Slots Required Inbound: N Outbound: N Agent Assist: N
Operating Hours
opr 0000-0900z.
Type Active Civil Airports
Operating Agency Philippine Air Transportation Office
Latitude 07° 07' 31.88" N
Longitude 125° 38' 44.80" E
Magnetic Variation 000° E

Communications
Name Type Frequencies
DAVAO APP APP 122.4
H24
ATIS ATIS 127
H24
DAVAO RDO RDO 124
6802
3671
H24
DAVAO TWR TWR 118.1
H24

Runways
ID Dimensions Surface PCN ILS
05/23 9842 x 148 feet ASP 073FCWT YES

Navaids
Type ID Name Channel Frequency Distance From Field Bearing From Navaid
4 DAO DAVAO 058X 112100
5 DAO DAVAO 364000

Supplies/Equipment
Fuel Jet A1+, Jet A1 with icing inhibitor.
100/130 octane gasoline, leaded, MIL-L-5572F (GREEN)
80/87 octane gasoline, leaded, MIL-L-5572F (RED)
fuel remarks:

* PPR, (NC-A1, AvGas, Petron Fuel Deopt)


Remarks
Type Detail
CAUTION Use extreme ctn, hill 145' AMSL, 1500' fr thld of Rwy 05.
CSTMS/AG/IMG CSTMS, IMG, PN rqr.
LGT Rwy 05 PAPI GS, 3.3
RSTD Two-way rdo rqr. No tight 180 turns on rwy.


Runway 05 Submit Correction
Surface ASP: Asphalt, Asphaltic Concrete, Tar Macadam, Or Bitumen Bound Macadam (including Any Of These Surface Types With Concrete Ends).
HEADING 49.0
Latitude 07° 07' 00.03" N
Longitude 125° 38' 07.76" E
Elevation 93.0
Slope 0.0°
Landing Distance 9842 feet
Takeoff Distance 10235 feet
Lighting Systems HIRL - High Intensity Runway Lights
A2 - SALS or SALSF
PAPI - Precision Approach Path Indicator

Runway 05 ILS
Type Dme Glide Slope Localizer
Name
Freq U 331400M 109100M
Channel 028X
Glide Scope Angle 3.09
LCZR / GS Location 01261 +00841
Locator / Marker
Elevation U U U
ILS / MLS Category 1
NAVAID ID IDAO IDAO
NAVAID Type
ILS Bearing Course 50.0
LCZR Width 3.70
Threshold Crossing Height 50
ILS / DME Bias 0.2

Runway 23
Surface ASP: Asphalt, Asphaltic Concrete, Tar Macadam, Or Bitumen Bound Macadam (including Any Of These Surface Types With Concrete Ends).
HEADING 229.0
Latitude 07° 08' 03.74" N
Longitude 125° 39' 21.85" E
Elevation 96.0
Slope 0.0°
Landing Distance 9842 feet
Takeoff Distance 10235 feet
Lighting Systems A2 - SALS or SALSF
PAPI - Precision Approach Path Indicator
HIRL - High Intensity Runway Lights

Runway 23 ILS
Type Dme Glide Slope Localizer
Name
Freq 0 333800 109900
Channel 036X
Glide Scope Angle 3.04°
LCZR / GS Location 00983 10795
Locator / Marker
Elevation
ILS / MLS Category 1
NAVAID ID IDVO IDVO
NAVAID Type
ILS Bearing Course 230.0
LCZR Width 3.60
Threshold Crossing Height 53
ILS / DME Bias 0.2


pictures to follow...

Departures
http://image53.webshots.com/53/8/75/44/511187544QbwsjY_ph.jpg
http://image54.webshots.com/154/8/84/64/511188464oirTWh_ph.jpg

Arrivals
http://www.philippinebusiness.com.ph/images/photos/airport-davao.gif
http://image57.webshots.com/57/8/80/98/511188098aFhlVS_ph.jpg

Control Tower
http://www.ato.gov.ph/Airports/APPICS/DAP1.jpg

The Airport (look like the white lumpia)
http://www.ultra.com.ph/images/projects_big/o5.jpg
http://image26.webshots.com/26/2/40/2/315224002lkQXWW_ph.jpg

Oh man, too bad not all the pictures came out right, I can't see some of them. It's a nice little airport for sure, it's just too tiny.

its small if you compare it to manila's airport. but davao's airport is just right for the needs of the city. its capacity of 1.2m passengers per year is projected up to 2012. right beside the terminal (left and right side) are areas for future expansion, not to mention the space where the old terminal is situated at.

the citizens of davao are proud of our airport.

there is also an elevated spot near the end of the 05 runway which is a nice vantage spot for plane spotting.

The size of the current airport is more than enough for its needs today and needs projected 10 years hence.

What it needs more of is cargo handling and access to direct international cargo flights to points north (i.e. Japan for the fresh tuna, cut flower, fruits).

pics of the davao international airport...just click on the links....

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0762815&WxsIERv=Nveohf%20N320-214&Wm=0&WdsYXMg=Cuvyvccvar%20Nveyvarf&QtODMg=Qninb%20-%20Senapvfpb%20Onatbl%20Vagreangvbany%20%28QIB%20%2F%20ECZQ%29&ERDLTkt=Cuvyvccvarf&ktODMp=Frcgrzore%201997&BP=0&WNEb25u=Pneybf%20N.%20Zbevyyb%20Qbevn&xsIERvdWdsY=EC-P3222&MgTUQtODMgKE=Ivrj%20bs%20Qninb%27f%20byq%20Vag%27y%20%28yrsg%29%20naq%20Qbzrfgvp%20grezvanyf%20nf%20jr%20qrcneg%20Ejl%2023%20urnqrq%20sbe%20Znavyn.%20Pnova%20jnf%20ybnqrq%20gb%20gur%20thaaryf%20jvgu%20pneelbaf%2C%20yvgrenyyl%20genccvat%20rirelbar%20va%20gurve%20frngf.%20Cynar%20jnf%20jsh%20va%20rneyl%20%2798.&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=1349&NEb25uZWxs=2005-01-22%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=708&static=yes&width=1024&height=729&sok=JURER%20%20%28cynpr%20%3D%20%27Qninb%20-%20Senapvfpb%20Onatbl%20Vagreangvbany%20%28QIB%20%2F%20ECZQ%29%27%29%20%20beqre%20ol%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=14&prev_id=0777199&next_id=0762674

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0128489&WxsIERv=-&Wm=0&WdsYXMg=-&QtODMg=Qninb%20-%20Senapvfpb%20Onatbl%20Vagreangvbany%20%28QIB%20%2F%20ECZQ%29&ERDLTkt=Cuvyvccvarf&ktODMp=Abirzore%2018%2C%202000&BP=0&WNEb25u=Wnpx%20Unaara&xsIERvdWdsY=&MgTUQtODMgKE=Cvpgher%20gnxra%20evtug%20nsgre%20gnxr-bss%20ng%208%3A10NZ%20ba%20Cuvyvccvar%20Nveyvarf%20syvtug%20CE%20810%20sebz%20Qninb%20gb%20Znavyn.%20Nvepensg%20hfrq%20jnf%20na%20N330-300%20%28S-BUMB%29.%20Fnaq%20pbyberq%20erpgnathyne%20pyrnevat%20zvqjnl%20naq%20gb%20gur%20evtug%20bs%20gur%20ehajnl%20fubjf%20gur%20pbafgehpgvba%20fvgr%20bs%20gur%20arj%20Vagreangvbany%20Grezvany%20gung%20vf%20orvat%20ohvyg.%20Qninb%20Pvgl%20vf%20frra%20va%20gur%20onpxtebhaq.&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=3517&NEb25uZWxs=2000-12-17%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=&static=yes&width=1024&height=695&sok=JURER%20%20%28cynpr%20%3D%20%27Qninb%20-%20Senapvfpb%20Onatbl%20Vagreangvbany%20%28QIB%20%2F%20ECZQ%29%27%29%20%20beqre%20ol%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=63&prev_id=0156391&next_id=0064944

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5681944

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5679789

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=429458

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=428277

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=391853 http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=391810

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=324820

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=324793

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=317918

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=317475

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=317469

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=256082

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=222584

i really like the architecture of the airport terminal...very mindanaoan... :)

EDIT.

EDIT.

hmmm... does it have any bridge from airport to the plane?? [i dunno the term for that e]

^^ Do you mean aerobridges? I don't know. Haven't been to Davao ever since. :D

The new terminal has jetways, yes. Four of them, actually. Those are pics of the old terminal which doesnt.

Is this the new one?
http://www.jetphotos.net/images/0/04102710.jpg.80033.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/sleepwalker_uno/airport/dia04.jpg

this is the old terminal. right bldg for domestic & left bldg for international.

heres the new davao airport:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/sleepwalker_uno/airport/IMAG0302.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/sleepwalker_uno/airport/dia06.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/sleepwalker_uno/airport/diaa.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/kulaskusgan/air/IMAG0486.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/kulaskusgan/air/IMAG0492.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/kulaskusgan/air/IMAG0493.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/kulaskusgan/air/IMAG0496.jpg

old terminal across the runway
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/kulaskusgan/air/cebupacific.jpg

durian monument
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/kulaskusgan/air/IMAG0484.jpg

Oohhh, I love DIA's architechture!! It truly represents Davao's culture.

^^those people coming out of the durian creeps me out though.

I actually like the old terminal, not really as usefull as the new one but much more representative of Davao. Of course I still prefer using the new one!:)

At least the new one still looks similar to the old one. They didnt abandon the original roofline design.

Is the old terminal still in use?

I just read somewhere that the new DIA will undergo another set of 'enhancement' this year.. :okay:

Davao Airport is really beautiful! I hope they'd make it twice bigger in the future, and it'll definitely look more stunning :)

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a340/tj_brewed/DAVAO/dvoair.jpg

Go DAVAO! I love your airport's architecture.

:shocked: di pa pala tapos ang FBIA commonly known as DIA...

ADB to fund key Mindanao projects
March 18 2006
abs-cbnnews.com

DAVAO CITY - The Asian Development Bank has granted loans that funded the infrastructures that would bring socioeconomic development in Mindanao, the second biggest but the poorest island in the Philippines.

The loan will be used to modernize the Davao City’s airport and to build public markets, as well as bus and jeepney terminals in Mindanao’s cities and municipalities.

The Francisco Bangoy International Airport (FBIA), which was partly constructed from the $41-million soft loan from the ADB, now boasts of accommodating a maximum of three million passengers yearly and is earning P2 million monthly.

At a briefing on Friday, the engineer Frederick San Felix, the airport’s area manager, disclosed that terminal, aeronautical and rental fees will be increased "within two months’ time" to raise the airport’s profit by at least 400 percent.

He said the new charges are comparable with those of Manila and Cebu’s airports.

San Felix said the income from all the fees would be enough to cover loan payments to ADB, which would start in 2008, without subsidy from the national government.

Besides the ADB, the European Investment Bank and the Philippine government have funded the P4.9-billion rehabilitation project of the airport, which was completed in 2003.

In 2005 the airport accommodated a total of 1.13 million local passengers, 24,970 international passengers and 43,819 tons of cargo. It also employs 297 people and generated P119.11 million in gross revenues last year.

The airport has 14 local flights and one international flight, the Silk Air to Singapore, daily. Merpati Airlines fly from the airport to Manado every Monday.

Meanwhile, the ADB has also given a total of $38-million loan to the Mindanao Basic Urban Services Sector Project, which would provide basic urban services for two million urban and rural residents of Mindanao.

Among the beneficiaries of the loan is Panabo City, a 45-minute drive from bustling Davao City, which would put up a modern bus and jeepney terminal at a projected cost of P38 million.

At least the new one still looks similar to the old one. They didnt abandon the original roofline design.

Malayan influence indeed. :)

What is the enhancement anyway? My uncle told me that one reason they did some additional expropriation on our land was they were thinking of extending the runway! Is this true? Definitely the current terminal is underutilized. I've not even seen the other side of the airport.

Strangely enough when I asked my nephew about Davao Airport, he said B747's can land there and do! But it's considered too narrow and short for anyone else but the captain to fly. Since PR is the only widebody operator in the country they'll mostly fly 330's if not 340's not 747's, so why spend it there?

That Durian thing is awesome and freaky.

Is the "white lumpia" design (as cosmoManila said) intentional? Coincidence?

What is the enhancement anyway? My uncle told me that one reason they did some additional expropriation on our land was they were thinking of extending the runway! Is this true? Definitely the current terminal is underutilized. I've not even seen the other side of the airport.

Strangely enough when I asked my nephew about Davao Airport, he said B747's can land there and do! But it's considered too narrow and short for anyone else but the captain to fly. Since PR is the only widebody operator in the country they'll mostly fly 330's if not 340's not 747's, so why spend it there?

the runway of the davao airport is just right for the 747's to land on. the runway is not narrow. it is just right for it. 45 meters is just right but it would be better if it were 60 meters, just like in cebu and manila..the runway used to be a captains runway, pero d na ngayon. even the co-pilot can land there na.

we cannot anymore extend the runway of the davao airport because of land constraint. the money being lent to the DIA is for the construction of a dual taxiway, which the DIA doesnt have.

if they exproriated your lands nanaman, i think it would be for the installation of additional navigational aids for the airport. how much is being lent ba? $41m. that is about 2,132,000,000.00. damn! laking pera nyan ah...

our airport is not obsolete. it may have been finished late, but the navigational aids, especially the instrument landing system which is i hear sattelite based, is definitely modern.

if the airport will be saturated, we will be forced to build another one between davao city and panabo (which is not bad). they already have identified a 2000 hectars piece of flat land where the airport will be made. that flat land is government owned. so there will be no problem in getting it.

That Durian thing is awesome and freaky.

Is the "white lumpia" design (as cosmoManila said) intentional? Coincidence?

its malay architecture is intentional. they want it modern at the same time retain those malayan roof features from old airport.

This may be too much but here are my expectations for the new airport:

Necessities of modern airports:

Flat Screen TVs, computerized handling of baggage and other stuff, motorized walkways or walkalators (like those in HK and Changi airport), wireless internet around the whole area, modern interior and great exterior (not really expecting 100% glassy looks like in NAIA T2 and T3).

Hehe :D

High Resolution images from GoogleEarth:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1433/davaoairport28qw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/589/davaoairport3yt.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8857/davaoairport37ct.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ Love it.

^^

I've noticed that the distances of the boarding tubes are not equal..

Could it be because the boarding tubes with the widest distance from another one is for international flights?

yup. the leftmost is used for the smaller type of airplanes like the 737, dc9, a319, a320. most of which are used for domestic services.

the second tube is used for the a330, a340, and 744 of PAL.

the third and fourth tube is used for international services. planes like the a340, 744, and the a388( i think; i wish.hehehehe)

I love those pics! I can see it from a different perspective!

^^ DIA's runway is long!

pero parang ang sikip ng buong complex? paano pag gusto nilang mag-expand? are they gonna squeeze in the new structures (for e.g. a new terminal) or just relocate the airport to a new and bigger location?

they can expand the terminal on the left and right side. but that is it.

when the airport becomes saturated it will have to be transferred elsewhere. they planners have a site already. it is situated between davao city and panabo city. 2000 hectars of government land. all flat land... no problem of expropriating it kasi government owned and land.

^^ DIA's runway is long!

cebu is longer. sa cebu its 3300 meters or 3.3 kms.

manila is 3700 meters or 3.7 kms.

sa davao ay, for landing its 3000 meters or 3 kms. for take off its 3120 meters or 3.12 kms....

^^ oh ok. it looks from the pic above. well relatively but not quite. hehe. thnx for the info.

but its long enough for the big planes to land and take off.. :)

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8857/davaoairport37ct.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Would have been a better photo if there were planes parked so that we can see how the terminal is being utilized by different aircrafts. And there doesn't seem much activity at the airport itself, even the parking lot is empty!

davao's got a very nice airport! impressive for me and in good condition.
deserves for a great city!!

Would have been a better photo if there were planes parked so that we can see how the terminal is being utilized by different aircrafts. And there doesn't seem much activity at the airport itself, even the parking lot is empty!

i believe google earth images for davao was taken mid-2003. DIA was opened dec 2003, few months late for the pictorials.

Would have been a better photo if there were planes parked so that we can see how the terminal is being utilized by different aircrafts. And there doesn't seem much activity at the airport itself, even the parking lot is empty!


when they took this picture, the airport was still under construction and not operational.

i believe that this pic was taken around 2003.

tks xzibit

the davao airport is not that quite busy also...

pal- 4 flights a day aircraft a320, a330, a340, b747, b737
cebu pac- 8 flights a day aircraft a319, a320, dc9
airphil- 2 flights a day aircraft b737-200
asian spirit- 2 flights a day aircraft bae 146-200
silk air- 1 flight a day aircraft a319, a320
merpati- 1 flight every monday aircraft fokker 28

all domestic and international flights already. but these does not include the transit/special flights that land and take off in the wee hours of the morning.

there are only 137 commercial flights per week using the DIA. under utilized jud.

there are also plans to reinstate the davao-kota kinabalu flight by malaysian airlines.

there are also plans to introduce plans of a davao darwin and davao sydney flight to be operated by qantas.

clearly our airport is under utilized. i hope that more international/domestic flights would come in soon.

They should start building a taxiway for it. Here's how it could look:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/arnoldsa/davaoairport.jpg

They should start building a taxiway for it. Here's how it could look:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/arnoldsa/davaoairport.jpg


you just killed the fire station and the ils transponders...hehehehehe...joke... :)

actually the land there is wide and they have prepared room for the taxiway. i have seen the masterplan and blueprints. the taxiway is there and goes to both ends of the runway (past the thresholds of runway 05-23). its just the money and the acutal building that is absent.

^^ Could you show us the blueprint and masterplan? :D

^^ Could you show us the blueprint and masterplan? :D

i cant eh. i saw it posted sa old davao airport terminal a few years back when the airport was still under construction. at d pa uso ang digicam at phone na may cam...hehehehehe :)

there was a caption under the drawing of the taxiway that said "for future expansion."

id like to share this from davao thread...

Here are my pics taken last year and this year.

DIA's exit way ( landscaped grass )
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j115/davaocity/dvo-airport-exit01.jpg
DIA's Left wing
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j115/davaocity/dvo-airport-leftwing.jpg
DIA's Right wing ( with the tower far back )
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j115/davaocity/dvo-airport-rightwing.jpg
DIA's Communications tower (close up)
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j115/davaocity/dvo-airport-tower.jpg
Pastor Quiboloy's Residential house (daw)
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j115/davaocity/dvo-airport-quiboloy-hauz.jpg

Enjoy. whiwww

Would have been a better photo if there were planes parked so that we can see how the terminal is being utilized by different aircrafts. And there doesn't seem much activity at the airport itself, even the parking lot is empty!

This satellite image was taken before the new terminal started its operation and before it was opened to the public (around 2002 - 2003).

Based on the images from Google Earth, there are some buildings which are on its construction phase when in fact right now as we speak, these have already been completed (eg. NCCC MALL). Also, if we take a look on the images from Google Earth, the old terminal is still operating. Zoom it in and we'll find some vehicles occupying the parking area of the old terminal. TODAY - you won't find such activity at the old terminal.


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a340/tj_brewed/DAVAO/6TH.jpg

Based on the pic below - The NCCC Mall of Davao is still underconstrution. This is part of the satellite image of Davao which includes the new international airport which shows no activity at all.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a340/tj_brewed/DAVAO/NCCC.jpg

This is NCCC Mall now

http://www.imagebulk.com/images/tjbrewed/dlnccc.jpg

If the Davao Airport is under utilized, how much more is the larger GenSan Airport... the airport only operates 2 daily flights....

Very nice landscaping there in DVO airport.

ok great now how about letting us use the waiting and departure area instead of letting people wait in the parking lot ! It was built for a reason, and even security is consideredin design. I'd like to see Rudy's entourage or some VIP wait in that parking lot!

bag o pa diay nang NCCCC mall?

If the Davao Airport is under utilized, how much more is the larger GenSan Airport... the airport only operates 2 daily flights....

IMHO, its a white elephant....

^^

Yup and these airports are even closer to our regional neighbors. In my opinion, I still find it impractical to have three full-blown international airports in Luzon at very close proximity to each other -- Subic, Clark, NAIA.. They could have just developed the airport in GenSan; if I'm not mistaken this was elevated to international status during the time of FVR? It can serve as a logistics hub for exports such as tuna, etc..etc..

Asian spirit now flies to Palau from Davao. Im wondrin what other airlines serves this route or other small Micronesian islands. I read from somewhere that we are actually a "hub" on this route from other countries to these destinations...

^^

Yup and these airports are even closer to our regional neighbors. In my opinion, I still find it impractical to have three full-blown international airports in Luzon at very close proximity to each other -- Subic, Clark, NAIA.. They could have just developed the airport in GenSan; if I'm not mistaken this was elevated to international status during the time of FVR? It can serve as a logistics hub for exports such as tuna, etc..etc..

according to the rumors, the tambler airport was made for one reason. to be a military base for us forces. that is why the americans were the ones who made the airport.

pero para sa akin, gen san should have a good airport, which is the tambler airport. maybe it was built before it was supposed to be built. its better to have a head start than having to be late....just like what happend to the davao airport.

the gen san airport will have its time when the time is right. the reason why the government made the davao airport its primary concern is that because there is more business in davao than in gen san. gen san do not have a mature market, not like here in davao.

Asian spirit now flies to Palau from Davao. Im wondrin what other airlines serves this route or other small Micronesian islands. I read from somewhere that we are actually a "hub" on this route from other countries to these destinations...

Palau's just the first international service for Asian Spirit, however they are also studying the possibilities of opening flights to Yap and Chuuk, also near Palau.....

i am just curious..

who owns the airport...

is it the city?

is it the national government?

or is it the agency that runs the airport?

^^

Interesting question. But I guess it's owned by the government.

Is there an airport authority in Davao already?

ive went to dava0 last month and i would say that the new terminal is very good indeed the only problem is its difficult get a taxi at the arrival area as drivers usually charge much and dont agree on flag down rates, and there no shuttle bus or transport to get u to the main road highway where u can catch a bus or taxi without having to aurgue with the driver, i hope the airport authority would try to make an agreement with taxi operators in the city to service arriving passengers with flag down meter plzzz

^^

Interesting question. But I guess it's owned by the government.

Is there an airport authority in Davao already?

wala pang airport authority sa dava airport eh. its is still being runby the ato

so they are going to build a taxiway at davao airport ? does anyone know when construction is posed to be finished ?

I think Davao is one of the airports that will be consolidated to run under MIAA. Centralizing all major airports in the country under MIA management.

so they are going to build a taxiway at davao airport ? does anyone know when construction is posed to be finished ?

we still dont know when they would build the taxiway. but it is in the masterplan.

Cathay Pacific stated that they would fly to davao when the taxiway is built and operational already. They said that they didnt want their aicraft executing a full turn at the end of the runway because it would give undue stress to their fron landing gears.

^^wow CX is planning to fly to DVO great news , more toursts

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/9343/58169840fb615b8690o0np.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ wow, what a beautiful airport! Sana our airport in Cebu will look like that in the future!

we still dont know when they would build the taxiway. but it is in the masterplan.

Cathay Pacific stated that they would fly to davao when the taxiway is built and operational already. They said that they didnt want their aicraft executing a full turn at the end of the runway because it would give undue stress to their fron landing gears.

Dragon Air could instead operate the Davao - Hong Kong service. Dragon Air operates A320 aircraft which for sure could easily make a 360 degree turn...

I think Davao is one of the airports that will be consolidated to run under MIAA. Centralizing all major airports in the country under MIA management.

I don't think it would be a good idea to place all major airports under MIA management...

I don't think it would be a good idea to place all major airports under MIA management...

its not all airports naman eh. its davao and subic only. i think....

Why not create a "Southern Philippines International Airport Authority" to manage the two international Airports in Southern Philippines - Davao and General Santos... Hehhehe

Why not create a "Southern Philippines International Airport Authority" to manage the two international Airports in Southern Philippines - Davao and General Santos... Hehhehe

pwede naman eh. but the problem is where do they get the income to operate the airports. as it is, the income generated by the davao airport is just enough to sustain it and pay its loan.

I just read it somewhere. I think it's even in this thread. Putting it all under one management wouldn't be too bad . It would help specially if they plan to privatize it in the future.

korean air is putting up a ticketing office here in davao... :)

i hope that they introduce flights soon... sana...

korean air is putting up a ticketing office here in davao... :)

i hope that they introduce flights soon... sana...

I'm pretty sure they will because I have heard that there are lot of korean tourist and investors in Davao.

^^makes sense. I will put up a kimchi concession in the airport. Any davao forumers want to join:)

^^makes sense. I will put up a kimchi concession in the airport. Any davao forumers want to join:)

cge bah....kimchi would be good....hehehehe...

sana there would be more flights (international and domestic) to and from the davao airport...

i had a talk with a friend who owns a travel agency and he told me na almost always full ang all flights in and out of davao be it domestic or international. so i think that there is market here.

d lang siguro nila alam... :runaway: hehehehe...

how do i post a pic ba?

^^ upload pics at photobucket.com or imageshack.us, then copy links here.

^^ upload pics at photobucket.com or imageshack.us, then copy links here.

thanks pare...

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/xzibit31/1117887983.jpg

A380 at the Davao International Airport

^^ nice one pre. but for faster uploading, you can resize the pics first before posting.

^^ nice one pre. but for faster uploading, you can resize the pics first before posting.

oooopppss...sorry...but i dont know how to do that....hehehehe

hehe. try resizing in the basic MS Paint or in the advanced Adobe Photoshop.

cge bah....kimchi would be good....hehehehe...

sana there would be more flights (international and domestic) to and from the davao airport...

i had a talk with a friend who owns a travel agency and he told me na almost always full ang all flights in and out of davao be it domestic or international. so i think that there is market here.

d lang siguro nila alam... :runaway: hehehehe...

Sana an airline would open a GenSan - Davao air shuttle service... dati naman kasi sobrang mahal ng ticket ng Mindanao Express kaya yata nalugi yun....

I had tried once flying from Davao to GenSan on a PAL A330-300 aircraft with Manny Pacquiao onboard. Our flight was from Manila to GenSan and due to some problems in GenSan Airport we were diverted to Davao... Grabe yung Davao - GenSan na flight, 25 mins. lang tapos altitude namin 12,000 feet... Di na pinatay yung "Fasten Seatbelt" Sign...pagka-abot ng 12,000 feet nag descend kaagad yung plane tapos GenSan na..hehehhe

^^wow that would have been an interesting ride, katabi mo lang si mt apo and mt matutum! hehe

xzibit if that a380 was full of kimchi buyers we would be millionaires haha iyun lang nga it would take them about an hour to plane and deplane the passengers and cargo haha, can an A380 takeoff and land in 3200 m (that's the runway lenght right).

^^

@xzibit31

Did you make that 3D rendering of the DIA?

^^wow that would have been an interesting ride, katabi mo lang si mt apo and mt matutum! hehe

xzibit if that a380 was full of kimchi buyers we would be millionaires haha iyun lang nga it would take them about an hour to plane and deplane the passengers and cargo haha, can an A380 takeoff and land in 3200 m (that's the runway lenght right).

the A380 can land and take off on a runway lenght of only 2800 meters in full capacity. pwedeng pwede sya sa davao kasi the runway for landing here is 3000 meters and the runway for take off of 3120 meters.

^^

@xzibit31

Did you make that 3D rendering of the DIA?

nope...i just found it sa www.virtual.plancepictures.net

i just came in from the airport... PAL used a340's for the 1st and 2nd flight. an a330 for the 3rd flight and a 747-400 for the 4th flight. mukhang dami nanaman passengers and cargo

its nice to see PAL's heavy fly into the DIA once more....

kailan nila sisimulan ang taxiway ng DIA?
i think and traffic ng DIA ay slowly increasing. sa mamay rd. na part kung saan makikita ang runway 5 ng DIA, napansin ko na masyadong steep ang left side ng runway kasi may hill. so saan nila ilalagay now ang taxiway?

^^ maybe it will look like this:



http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/arnoldsa/davaoairport.jpg

Just like the one in Mactan:

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9500/mactanaerial6gh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

so kung ganyan, kailangan parin mag 360 degree turn ang mga aircraft sa runway 5?

kailan nila sisimulan ang taxiway ng DIA?
i think and traffic ng DIA ay slowly increasing. sa mamay rd. na part kung saan makikita ang runway 5 ng DIA, napansin ko na masyadong steep ang left side ng runway kasi may hill. so saan nila ilalagay now ang taxiway?

the taxiway will look like the one in mactan. it will be constructed from end to end. its about 3.12 kms in length.

there is no problem with being steep. i saw that also. the contractors will know what to do with that...

the taxiway is a must for the davao airport. they should start it na...

747 at the DIA
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/xzibit31/05022801.jpg

cathay pacific taking off at the DIA
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/xzibit31/0156392.jpg

cathay pacific landing at the DIA...the building in the distance is the grand mercure hotel..
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/xzibit31/MyAviationNetPhotoID00198237.jpg

pal a330 at the runway...cebu pac dc9 at the background

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/xzibit31/MyAviationNetPhotoID00124316.jpg

silk air on the DIA runway

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/xzibit31/MyAviationNetPhotoID00098151.jpg

pal a330 taking off

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/xzibit31/MyAviationNetPhotoID00058963.jpg

diba kung saturated na ang DIA and di na ma expand eh gagawa sila ng bagong airport between sa davao and panabo?
bakit di nlng cla gumawa nang airport d2 mismo sa city area. they should reclaim the beach at the bucana up to the magsaysay park area. they should reclaim a vast portion of the sea so that airplanes could land safely. and since the location of that area is almost parallel to the old airport, the runway heading should also be 5 and 27. the runway should be placed about 1 km from the present shore. katulad ng osaka -kansai. ok nlg naman i reclaim ang mga sea jan kasi silted naman yan ng davao river at marumi ant marami pa squatters. kaya nga lng, the government will have a hard time finding land for the relocation of those who will be affected. at yung extra space na hindi ma occupy ng airport, gawing malaking business park or even an IT park diba?

diba kung saturated na ang DIA and di na ma expand eh gagawa sila ng bagong airport between sa davao and panabo?
bakit di nlng cla gumawa nang airport d2 mismo sa city area. they should reclaim the beach at the bucana up to the magsaysay park area. they should reclaim a vast portion of the sea so that airplanes could land safely. and since the location of that area is almost parallel to the old airport, the runway heading should also be 5 and 27. the runway should be placed about 1 km from the present shore. katulad ng osaka -kansai. ok nlg naman i reclaim ang mga sea jan kasi silted naman yan ng davao river at marumi ant marami pa squatters. kaya nga lng, the government will have a hard time finding land for the relocation of those who will be affected. at yung extra space na hindi ma occupy ng airport, gawing malaking business park or even an IT park diba?

there is already land in the middle of davao and panabo. 2000 hectars and its government owned. so walang problema.

reclaiming land will cost a fortune and it will disrupt the seaway along the way to the sasa international pier.

05/23 ang runway ng davao

747 at the DIA
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/xzibit31/05022801.jpg

cathay pacific taking off at the DIA
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/xzibit31/0156392.jpg

cathay pacific landing at the DIA...the building in the distance is the grand mercure hotel..
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/xzibit31/MyAviationNetPhotoID00198237.jpg

pal a330 at the runway...cebu pac dc9 at the background

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/xzibit31/MyAviationNetPhotoID00124316.jpg

silk air on the DIA runway

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/xzibit31/MyAviationNetPhotoID00098151.jpg

pal a330 taking off

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/xzibit31/MyAviationNetPhotoID00058963.jpg




bakit maraming plants present beside the runway? kailan ba ang pic na yan kinuha?

bakit maraming plants present beside the runway? kailan ba ang pic na yan kinuha?

taken befor the new airport opened.

diba kung saturated na ang DIA and di na ma expand eh gagawa sila ng bagong airport between sa davao and panabo?
bakit di nlng cla gumawa nang airport d2 mismo sa city area. they should reclaim the beach at the bucana up to the magsaysay park area. they should reclaim a vast portion of the sea so that airplanes could land safely. and since the location of that area is almost parallel to the old airport, the runway heading should also be 5 and 27. the runway should be placed about 1 km from the present shore. katulad ng osaka -kansai. ok nlg naman i reclaim ang mga sea jan kasi silted naman yan ng davao river at marumi ant marami pa squatters. kaya nga lng, the government will have a hard time finding land for the relocation of those who will be affected. at yung extra space na hindi ma occupy ng airport, gawing malaking business park or even an IT park diba?

maybe kc ang laki ng perang kelangan nyan...diba? expensive ang magreclaim.. also, about what may happen with the vast space? possibly it will become nga like an IT Park or business park...Asiatown IT Park Cebu used to be an old airport, same as with the Makati Business District!

taken befor the new airport opened.

so bago lang pla nag serve ang cathay pacific dito sa davao? bakit sila nag stop. bakit di ko man lang nakita fleet nad CX na lumilipad dito sa davao?

so bago lang pla nag serve ang cathay pacific dito sa davao? bakit sila nag stop. bakit di ko man lang nakita fleet nad CX na lumilipad dito sa davao?

remember the time when pal went on strike for tow weeks? cathay filled in for pal.

it was also the time for them to test their aicraft here in davao. after the two weeks and pal flew again, cathay said that they were interested to fly to davao. but their requirement was that DIA should have a taxiway. this was because they did not want to have some undue stress to the front landing gear when executing a 360 degree turn at the end of the runway.

remember the time when pal went on strike for tow weeks? cathay filled in for pal.

it was also the time for them to test their aicraft here in davao. after the two weeks and pal flew again, cathay said that they were interested to fly to davao. but their requirement was that DIA should have a taxiway. this was because they did not want to have some undue stress to the front landing gear when executing a 360 degree turn at the end of the runway.



ang arte naman ng CX. PAL nga daily ang 360 turn sa runway ng kanilang a380. by the way, may ILS ba ang DIA?

^^ DIA's AIRWAYS NAVIGATION SERVICE EQUIPMENT:

1. Doppler Very High Frequency Omni-Range Beacon (DVOR)
2. Distance Measuring Equipment (DME)
3. Non-Directional Beacon (NDB)
4. Tower/FSS/APP Communications
5. Precision Approach Path Indicators (PAPI) & Simple Approach Lighting System SALS)
6. Airfield Lighting System (ALS)
7. Meteorological Equipment (MET)

they have no Instrument Landing System (ILS) and Air Route Surveillance Radar(ARSR)

By the way, I still cannot understand those runway numbers like 5/27, what does it mean?

^^ Those are runway designations based on where your approach to the runway is, like runway 5L (left) or 27R (right).

^^

but what is the signifiCance of the numbers? :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/arnoldsa/davaoairport02.jpg

^^ DIA's AIRWAYS NAVIGATION SERVICE EQUIPMENT:

1. Doppler Very High Frequency Omni-Range Beacon (DVOR)
2. Distance Measuring Equipment (DME)
3. Non-Directional Beacon (NDB)
4. Tower/FSS/APP Communications
5. Precision Approach Path Indicators (PAPI) & Simple Approach Lighting System SALS)
6. Airfield Lighting System (ALS)
7. Meteorological Equipment (MET)

they have no Instrument Landing System (ILS) and Air Route Surveillance Radar(ARSR)


there is ils. the info you have is circa 2002. ato website yan.d naman naguupdate ang ato sa website nila... ils was installed early 2004. dia does not need radar yet. not enough traffic.

here is the latest info on the DIA... as published at http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi?id=RP53545&sch=davao

FRANCISCO BANGOY INTL
Effective 16 March 2006 to 12 April 2006

General Info
Country Philippines
ICAO ID RPMD
Time UTC+8
Latitude 7.125522
07° 07' 31.88" N
Longitude 125.645778
125° 38' 44.80" E
Elevation 96 feet
29 meters
Type Civil
Magnetic Variation 000° E (01/06)
Operating Agency CIVIL GOVERNMENT, (LANDING FEES AND DIPLOMATIC CLEARANCE MAY BE REQUIRED)
Near City Davao
Island Group Mindanao I
Operating Hours 24 HOUR OPERATIONS
International Clearance Status Airport of Entry


Communications
DAVAO TWR 118.1
DAVAO RDO 124.0
6802
3671
ATIS 127.0
DAVAO APP 122.4


Runways
ID
(Click for details.)
Dimensions Surface PCN ILS
05/23 9842 x 148 feet
3000 x 45 meters ASPHALT 073FCWT YES


Navaids
Type ID Name Channel Freq Distance From Field Bearing F From Navaid
VOR-DME DAO DAVAO 058X 112.1 At Field -
NDB DAO DAVAO - 364 At Field -


Supplies/Equipment
Fuel Jet A1+, Jet A1 with icing inhibitor.

100/130 octane gasoline, leaded, MIL-L-5572F (GREEN)

80/87 octane gasoline, leaded, MIL-L-5572F (RED)


Remarks
CAUTION Hill 145' 1500' fr thld of Rwy 05.
CSTMS/AG/IMG CSTMS and IMG avbl 0000-0900Z PN rqr.
FUEL Avbl 2200-1000Z. (NC-A1; AvGas O/R - Petron Fuel Depot).
LGT Rwy 05 GS 3.3 . Rwy 23 GS 3.0 .
RSTD Two-way rdo rqr. Acft abv 143,000 lbs AUW 180 turn at rwy ends only. All acftmax rad turn

here is another site that features up to date info on DiA http://www.the-airport-guide.com/airport.php?airports_id=7714

General Information
Country Philippines
ICAO RPMD
IATA DVO
City Davao
Island group Mindanao I
Time UTC+8
Elevation 00096
Clearance Status AOE
Overflight/Landing Permits Overflight: YES Landing: YES
Slots Required Inbound: N Outbound: N Agent Assist: N
Operating Hours
opr 0000-0900z.
Type Active Civil Airports
Operating Agency Philippine Air Transportation Office
Latitude 07° 07' 31.88" N
Longitude 125° 38' 44.80" E
Magnetic Variation 000° E

Communications
Name Type Frequencies
DAVAO APP APP 122.4
H24
ATIS ATIS 127
H24
DAVAO RDO RDO 124
6802
3671
H24
DAVAO TWR TWR 118.1
H24

Runways
ID Dimensions Surface PCN ILS
05/23 9842 x 148 feet ASP 073FCWT YES

Navaids
Type ID Name Channel Frequency Distance From Field Bearing From Navaid
4 DAO DAVAO 058X 112100
5 DAO DAVAO 364000

Supplies/Equipment
Fuel Jet A1+, Jet A1 with icing inhibitor.
100/130 octane gasoline, leaded, MIL-L-5572F (GREEN)
80/87 octane gasoline, leaded, MIL-L-5572F (RED)
fuel remarks:

* PPR, (NC-A1, AvGas, Petron Fuel Deopt)


Remarks
Type Detail
CAUTION Use extreme ctn, hill 145' AMSL, 1500' fr thld of Rwy 05.
CSTMS/AG/IMG CSTMS, IMG, PN rqr.
LGT Rwy 05 PAPI GS, 3.3
RSTD Two-way rdo rqr. No tight 180 turns on rwy.

ILS frequencies at the 05/23 runway

Runway 05
Surface ASP: Asphalt, Asphaltic Concrete, Tar Macadam, Or Bitumen Bound Macadam (including Any Of These Surface Types With Concrete Ends).
HEADING 49.0
Latitude 07° 07' 00.03" N
Longitude 125° 38' 07.76" E
Elevation 93.0
Slope 0.0°
Landing Distance 9842 feet
Takeoff Distance 10235 feet
Lighting Systems HIRL - High Intensity Runway Lights
A2 - SALS or SALSF
PAPI - Precision Approach Path Indicator

Runway 05 ILS
Type Dme Glide Slope Localizer
Name
Freq U 331400M 109100M
Channel 028X
Glide Scope Angle 3.09
LCZR / GS Location 01261 +00841
Locator / Marker
Elevation U U U
ILS / MLS Category 1
NAVAID ID IDAO IDAO
NAVAID Type
ILS Bearing Course 50.0
LCZR Width 3.70
Threshold Crossing Height 50
ILS / DME Bias 0.2

Runway 23
Surface ASP: Asphalt, Asphaltic Concrete, Tar Macadam, Or Bitumen Bound Macadam (including Any Of These Surface Types With Concrete Ends).
HEADING 229.0
Latitude 07° 08' 03.74" N
Longitude 125° 39' 21.85" E
Elevation 96.0
Slope 0.0°
Landing Distance 9842 feet
Takeoff Distance 10235 feet
Lighting Systems A2 - SALS or SALSF
PAPI - Precision Approach Path Indicator
HIRL - High Intensity Runway Lights

Runway 23 ILS
Type Dme Glide Slope Localizer
Name
Freq 0 333800 109900
Channel 036X
Glide Scope Angle 3.04°
LCZR / GS Location 00983 10795
Locator / Marker
Elevation
ILS / MLS Category 1
NAVAID ID IDVO IDVO
NAVAID Type
ILS Bearing Course 230.0
LCZR Width 3.60
Threshold Crossing Height 53
ILS / DME Bias 0.2

By the way, I still cannot understand those runway numbers like 5/27, what does it mean?


the numbers on the runway are the bearings on where it is pointed.

manila 06/24
davao 05/23
cebu 04/22

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/arnoldsa/davaoairport02.jpg

i think tama yang drawing mo for the taxiway for the DIA... :)

there is ils. the info you have is circa 2002. ato website yan.d naman naguupdate ang ato sa website nila... ils was installed early 2004. dia does not need radar yet. not enough traffic.

noted. :)

sino na nakalaro ng computer flight simulator na microsoft flight simulator 2004 dito?
sa game lagi na yun ay walang ILS and dvo. by the way, pano pla magpaland ng plane gamit ang VFR approach? alam ko na mag pa land gamit ay ILS approach.?

diba 4 times daily and flights ng PAL dito sa davao? bakit this afternoon may dalawang PAL na magkasunod na nagland? una is a A340 then sumunod isang A320 ata or A319?

diba 4 times daily and flights ng PAL dito sa davao? bakit this afternoon may dalawang PAL na magkasunod na nagland? una is a A340 then sumunod isang A320 ata or A319?


yung a340 dapat yun dumating ng 1215..delayed flight yun... yung a320 yun yung 3rd flight of the day ng pal..on time yun...

sino na nakalaro ng computer flight simulator na microsoft flight simulator 2004 dito?
sa game lagi na yun ay walang ILS and dvo. by the way, pano pla magpaland ng plane gamit ang VFR approach? alam ko na mag pa land gamit ay ILS approach.?

well maybe the game was made during the time wala pang ils ang dvo... :)

I was wondering about that ILS I thought they had it and they do!

Good job arnold, I can visualize the taxiway.

xzibit how big is the capacity of the DIA terminal and how much more can they expand it! I don't think the one runway is the problem as Kaitak i think hit nearly 29 -30 million on one runway! But the terminal iba usapan. They only have four gates, are these supplemented by remote? Any idea how long they may need this terminal, in the 90's I remember they said 2015 to 2020 dapat lumipat na sa Tigato is that where the new airport will be. I only ask kasi I want to buy all the land around it for our kimchi concession:)

I was wondering about that ILS I thought they had it and they do!

Good job arnold, I can visualize the taxiway.

xzibit how big is the capacity of the DIA terminal and how much more can they expand it! I don't think the one runway is the problem as Kaitak i think hit nearly 29 -30 million on one runway! But the terminal iba usapan. They only have four gates, are these supplemented by remote? Any idea how long they may need this terminal, in the 90's I remember they said 2015 to 2020 dapat lumipat na sa Tigato is that where the new airport will be. I only ask kasi I want to buy all the land around it for our kimchi concession:)

capacity of the terminal is 1.2 million passengers per year up to 2010. but last year 1.13 million passengers passed through it(international and domestic).

yup there are four gates. but there are 6 remote stands plus they can use the old ramp located at the old terminal building. pwede dun about 4 more aircraft. the capacity of the new ramp is 10 aicraft per hour plus the old ramp which is about 4 aircraft per hour also. so al in all 14 aircraft per hour ang capacity ng airport.

the terminal building can still be expanded left and right pero hangang dun nalang.

the runways cannot be expanded anymore kasi there is no more land na. they have to build a new airprt after they have saturated the present one. but i do not see that happening within the next few years. but the land is there...all 2000 hectars of it... :eek2:

dapat partners tayo dyan sa kimchi concession ha.... :)

yup. the leftmost is used for the smaller type of airplanes like the 737, dc9, a319, a320. most of which are used for domestic services.

the second tube is used for the a330, a340, and 744 of PAL.

the third and fourth tube is used for international services. planes like the a340, 744, and the a388( i think; i wish.hehehehe)

Why do you keep saying 744? All Boeing Aircraft starts and ends with 7's. I wonder what they'll do after they use up 787 and 797? Anyway, it seems that the DAvao Terminal is still going to be 1 tube more than both the new Iloilo and Bacolod Airports. Both will have three tubes only for A330's. Davao's new terminal, in my opinion, still looks better than the two new airport terminals.

Why do you keep saying 744? All Boeing start and end in 7's. I wonder what they'll do after they use up 787 and 797? Anyway, it seems that the DAvao Terminal is still going to be 1 tube more than both the new Iloilo and Bacolod Airports. Both will have three tubes only for A330's. Davao's new terminal, in my opinion, still looks better than the two new airport terminals.

744 is short cut for 747-400... a343 is short cut for a340-300...a333 is short cut for a330-300...

they are , in fact, IATA codes for aeroplanes.

they are , in fact, IATA codes for aeroplanes.

Okay. Thanks for the explanation.

^^ I guess people are just to lazy to name the whole thing ! 747-400 ekekekek

xzibit ako tiga luto , ikaw taga lako hehe. ON a more serious note, if they can do 14 planes an hour and assuming lang that their all 320's at 180 pax. That's 2520 pax an hour or operating from 6am to 10pm or 16 hour days, 40320 pax a day or 14716800 paz a year. Obviously it's not the runway nor the parking area ramp which is the limitation to the present 1.2 million. Is it the mechanical systems like baggage, ground handling, or jsut space. It's much larger than the manila domestic terminal and if I remember correctly it's over 5 million a year in throughput if not more. Of course the 4 slots are on the other side of the runway so it's not that safe and higher capacity baggage handling systems and more xray and metal detectors will be need but the current physical structure can easily exceed 5 million I think. The only reason I'm thinking along these lines is that for Davao to catch up to Cebu or Manila they'll need greater tourism which is based on increased airlinks, and 1.2 million people a year flying in isn't going to cut it.

^^ I guess people are just to lazy to name the whole thing ! 747-400 ekekekek

xzibit ako tiga luto , ikaw taga lako hehe. ON a more serious note, if they can do 14 planes an hour and assuming lang that their all 320's at 180 pax. That's 2520 pax an hour or operating from 6am to 10pm or 16 hour days, 40320 pax a day or 14716800 paz a year. Obviously it's not the runway nor the parking area ramp which is the limitation to the present 1.2 million. Is it the mechanical systems like baggage, ground handling, or jsut space. It's much larger than the manila domestic terminal and if I remember correctly it's over 5 million a year in throughput if not more. Of course the 4 slots are on the other side of the runway so it's not that safe and higher capacity baggage handling systems and more xray and metal detectors will be need but the current physical structure can easily exceed 5 million I think. The only reason I'm thinking along these lines is that for Davao to catch up to Cebu or Manila they'll need greater tourism which is based on increased airlinks, and 1.2 million people a year flying in isn't going to cut it.

i also agree with you on those points... to give a birds eye view of the facilities inside the terminal...upon entry there is 2 xray machines for domestic and 2 xray machines for international... the check in counters, i am not sure how many for international and domestic..hehehe... before entering the pre-dparture area..there is again 2 xray machines for domestic and 2 xray machines for international. the 4 tubes are interchangable for domestic and international use. on the remote spots there are 3 on the international side and 3 for the domestic side. the other 4 is on the other side of the runway. for arrival domestic has 2 baggage carousels, same with the international.

obvious talaga na kulang ang mga mechanical systems sa airport terminal. that is why an additional $41 million dollars was released for the upgrade of the airport complex.

with regards to the increase airlinks, there are alot of news of airlines who want to come in.

Asiana has just completed its study here. wala pang pinapalabas na results.

Korean Air is putting up a ticketing office here. so i gues the flights arent far behind.

Qantas was rumored to be interested in and Davao-Darwin-Sydney airlink.

Malaysian is considering fly again to davao.

Silk Air already flies 7 times a week to singapore from davao.

Qatar was rumoured to be interested also.

merpati/bouraq flies once a week to manado.

Brunei is also interested.

Cathay will fly here as soon as the taxiway is completed. (arte naman...hehehe)

at marami pang iba na nakalimutan ko...

Cathay will fly here as soon as the taxiway is completed. (arte naman...hehehe)

CX probably does not want the added wear and tear on their aircrafts.

Good to hear on those developments. I think the truly critical airlinks are certain cities in china (hk, guangzhou, shangai, beijing), taiwan (taipei, Kaoshiung), Korea(seoul), and Japan (tokyo, Osaka). Those will really impact on tourism in a big way. If Quantas will do Davao, Darwin, Sydney run that would also be good but I must say it looks remarkably thin as a market). I hope this comes really soon and in the form of LCC's , as it would really help in marketing the place.

IF the Mechanicals are what's limiting capacity that's good because it means that it does not take much time if needed to upgrade, just the money. Are you sure there is no more 100 meters on both sides to make the runway 3200, I thought that was supposed to be the eventual lenght (in fact I thought it already was) so that it would be a full international standard runway (am not sure about this point but I seem to remember the 3200m runway as the min for all present commercial aircraft- air transport professionals please correct me if wrong). Anyway this would mean that the airport could theoretically go up to 5 million pax or more.

Btw what's to become of the old terminal, using it for special arrivals only , sayang naman .

naga serve pa pla ang boraq? kala ko merpati nlng. kasi, im from bangkal area at nakikita ko halos lahat ng planes for final approach at runway five kasi dito sila dumadaan sa area na ito. wala na ako makita na boraq. by the way, ano yang airline na 9 na sa gabi kung dumating?

Good to hear on those developments. I think the truly critical airlinks are certain cities in china (hk, guangzhou, shangai, beijing), taiwan (taipei, Kaoshiung), Korea(seoul), and Japan (tokyo, Osaka). Those will really impact on tourism in a big way. If Quantas will do Davao, Darwin, Sydney run that would also be good but I must say it looks remarkably thin as a market). I hope this comes really soon and in the form of LCC's , as it would really help in marketing the place.

IF the Mechanicals are what's limiting capacity that's good because it means that it does not take much time if needed to upgrade, just the money. Are you sure there is no more 100 meters on both sides to make the runway 3200, I thought that was supposed to be the eventual lenght (in fact I thought it already was) so that it would be a full international standard runway (am not sure about this point but I seem to remember the 3200m runway as the min for all present commercial aircraft- air transport professionals please correct me if wrong). Anyway this would mean that the airport could theoretically go up to 5 million pax or more.

Btw what's to become of the old terminal, using it for special arrivals only , sayang naman .


the old terminal is just sitting there...no plans for it i think...

actually the whole length of the runway here is 3120 meters(end to end). that is for takeoff...which the aircraft can maximize...

for the landing its 3000 meters...its from the threshold to the end of the runway..vice versa..

the runway here is a category 1 full international standard runway. no need yet to upgrade yet to category 2 or 3...

i agree with your destinations. sana mag materialize talaga yun...

naga serve pa pla ang boraq? kala ko merpati nlng. kasi, im from bangkal area at nakikita ko halos lahat ng planes for final approach at runway five kasi dito sila dumadaan sa area na ito. wala na ako makita na boraq. by the way, ano yang airline na 9 na sa gabi kung dumating?

sometimes its bouraq. but most of the time its merpati.

i live here sa juna...planes pass over our house..

9 pm is the cebu pacific flight, i think. they have adjusted their flight skeds eh. or maybe its pal...alam mo naman ang pal, grabe ang delays...

or maybe its one of the many special flights that come into our airport from night time to wee hours of the morning just to refuel....technical stop kung baga...they land and refuel here kasi its much cheaper here than in cebu and manila...

CX probably does not wnat the added wear and tear on their aircrafts.

yup.. thats the main reason..CX knows that there is a hugh untapped market here for the hk flights...

almost all of the special dvo-hk-dvo flights, which is beig operated by pal, are booked...

yung 9 na flight I think its a A320. Ang tail fin nya ay may light. Ang alam ko na naga light ng kanilang tail fin is PAL. Pero yung plane na yun ay walang red so tail so its not PAL. Baka cebu pacific? ano pla last flight ng CEB dito sa davao. daily ang flight ng plane na iyon kasi gabi-gabi ko itong nakikita. can someone clarify this. kasi baka international plane ito na hindi lng natin namamalayan.

yup.. thats the main reason..CX knows that there is a hugh untapped market here for the hk flights...

almost all of the special dvo-hk-dvo flights, which is beig operated by pal, are booked...

naga operate pla ang PAL ng dvo-hk-dvo flights?

yung 9 na flight I think its a A320. Ang tail fin nya ay may light. Ang alam ko na naga light ng kanilang tail fin is PAL. Pero yung plane na yun ay walang red so tail so its not PAL. Baka cebu pacific? ano pla last flight ng CEB dito sa davao. daily ang flight ng plane na iyon kasi gabi-gabi ko itong nakikita. can someone clarify this. kasi baka international plane ito na hindi lng natin namamalayan.

it might be cebu pac..last flight nila to davo 610 pm arriving 750 pm...lat flight to manila ay 850 pm

naga operate pla ang PAL ng dvo-hk-dvo flights?

special flights...d yun parati...chartered ata eh..

it might be cebu pac..last flight nila to davo 610 pm arriving 750 pm...lat flight to manila ay 850 pm

hindi..... 9 cya dumadating. nagalight ba ng tail fin ang CEB?

Any idea on the start and finish date of the upgrade to DIA (Is it still named Bangoy??) ? Is this a paper project or released to DOT/DBM na?

^^ i think it's Francisco Bangongoy Int. Airport, tama ba?

Bangoy lang haha, Francisco is right.

Any idea on the start and finish date of the upgrade to DIA (Is it still named Bangoy??) ? Is this a paper project or released to DOT/DBM na?

according to the article the money came from the ADB and not from any government agency.

OK but any money from ADB will have to pass through National Coffers, DIA is a DOTC agency, I don't thing they've already implelmented the corporatization of MIA/CIA/Clark/DIA/Subic already have they. If not then it goes through DOTC/DBM even if it's marked.

so when will they build the taxiway ? CPA r and korean cariers will they land at davao supposedly.....

^^million peso question!:)

^^million peso question!:)

million dollar question...hehehehehe :)

I like its design very symbolic to the city of davao, i think it is a render to their durian right. I hope it is a bigger airport. But the design wassure world-class.

davao airport is promising for other airlines... i think they should make the taxiway the as fast as possible. Might I suggest they should extend their airport build in its left and right sideways to accomodate more aircrafts, borading gates and lounge. I think 10 more airbridges is good for Davao Int'l Airport.

I like its design very symbolic to the city of davao, i think it is a render to their durian right. I hope it is a bigger airport. But the design wassure world-class.

davao airport is promising for other airlines... i think they should make the taxiway the as fast as possible. Might I suggest they should extend their airport build in its left and right sideways to accomodate more aircrafts, borading gates and lounge. I think 10 more airbridges is good for Davao Int'l Airport.

i agree with you bro....the taxiway is a must....as for the aerobridges, maybe...but not as important as the taxiway...

OT question...what up with cebu pac nowadays?...parati na delayed ang mga flights nila....

i took this pix this afternoon...sorry for the poor quality...

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/xzibit31/P1050020.jpg

runway 05
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/xzibit31/P1050006.jpg

this is the land between runway 05 and the DIA fence. the fence is hidden behind the trees...still very wide for a taxiway...
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/xzibit31/P1050008.jpg

the orange thing there is part of the DIA's ils system
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/xzibit31/P1050010.jpg

entrance to DIA..
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/xzibit31/P1050014.jpg



DIA's tower and cargo building...
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/xzibit31/P1050021.jpg

saan kaya ito papunta?
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/xzibit31/P1050012.jpg

ingit lang po, mga davaweno!


bros and sis of Davao music,

Please join us in promoting Davao music.
SONG Inc. is currently seeking more membership from people who have the heart and right attitude to promote Davao Music.
We are currently discussing measures that will benefit the Davao musicians.
One of the major proposals we are currently discussing is the ordinance mandating Davao City stations to play locally-produced music. There are still lots of measures to discuss.

Join us in our discussion board at
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/songdavao/

Just send a blank email to become a member:
songdavao-subscribe@yahoogroups.com



DAGHANG SALAMAT!

DAVAO ARTISTS UNITED FOR GOOD (DAUG)

no need to apologize xzibit31. your efforts are greatly appreciated. anything you can post on davao, kay we folks here sa gawas are always hungry for news back home.

ingit lang po, mga davaweno!


bros and sis of Davao music,

Please join us in promoting Davao music.
SONG Inc. is currently seeking more membership from people who have the heart and right attitude to promote Davao Music.
We are currently discussing measures that will benefit the Davao musicians.
One of the major proposals we are currently discussing is the ordinance mandating Davao City stations to play locally-produced music. There are still lots of measures to discuss.

Join us in our discussion board at
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/songdavao/

Just send a blank email to become a member:
songdavao-subscribe@yahoogroups.com



DAGHANG SALAMAT!

DAVAO ARTISTS UNITED FOR GOOD (DAUG)

any news on your groups endeavors are welcome here daug. padayon sa inyong nasugdan.

hi all, nice thread you have here. love the pics of xzibit31

any news on your groups endeavors are welcome here daug. padayon sa inyong nasugdan.

ahhh nice acronym bro re: DAUG

don't you think we should limit in having more int'l airport? i think having davao and cebu as int'l airport is enough for the southern gateway to the philippies... therew are so many plans of having int'l airports like gensan, panglaok, iloilo, kalibo... is this part of the open air policy? it this approved already?

Maayong hapon sa tanan!
Any idea guys kung unsa nang eroplano mo lakaw ug mga 11pm?

don't you think we should limit in having more int'l airport? i think having davao and cebu as int'l airport is enough for the southern gateway to the philippies... therew are so many plans of having int'l airports like gensan, panglaok, iloilo, kalibo... is this part of the open air policy? it this approved already?

these airports being consrtucted are going to be designated as alternate international airports...the average runway length of these airports will be 2500 meters.

davao will be launched as a full international airport.

these airports being consrtucted are going to be designated as alternate international airports...the average runway length of these airports will be 2500 meters.

davao will be launched as a full international airport.


Are you sure on this about Davao? Is there an increasing passenger activities from the international market, just like in Cebu?

these airports being consrtucted are going to be designated as alternate international airports...the average runway length of these airports will be 2500 meters.

davao will be launched as a full international airport.

so is davao and others are part of the open air policy?

Are you sure on this about Davao? Is there an increasing passenger activities from the international market, just like in Cebu?

here lies the problem. the government is only supportive of the airports in the luzon area. i dont know why they are not taking advantage of the DIA.

my uncle, who is a pilot of PAL, says that the DIA is a very good airport. it has the most modern ils system in the country today. even better to naia and cebu.he says that it is a breeze to land at the DIA than cebu or naia (navi equipmetn wise...)

so is davao and others are part of the open air policy?

it should be...i dont know why the government turns a blind eye to the DIA.

^^^^^ I thought the open air policy applies all over the Philippines?

i just found this out from the blog of one of our destinguished councilors here in davao....councilor pete lavina... i would like to post it here for everybody to read....


Monday, April 10, 2006
Viva Macau - challenging paradigms

Prior to the opening of the new Davao (Bangoy) International Airport in late 2003, we sought the declaration of Davao as a "pocket open skies area." This is to allow foreign airlines to fly in even beyond the scope of bilateral air agreements between the Philippines and other countries.



I authored at least two measures in the City Council to this effect. One on seeking Davao representation in the country's air negotiating panel to promote our city in bilateral air talks. The other, on the issuance of an executive order to effect an "open skies" regime in Davao. With the help of the Freedom to Fly Coalition, I prepared a draft EO and sent it to Malacanang. Medco chair Jess Dureza was kind enough to endorse it.



We were a few months behind this effort than Clark (Diosdado Macapagal International Airport). Fortunately for them, Malacanang granted Clark an "open skies" policy. The rest, as they say, is now history. Clark is now serviced by many foreign airlines.



Davao was left behind for three years now.



We are now reviving this campaign. A new core group was formed last week and we need all the help to seek this "open skies" regime. If we are to position our city as de facto center of the BIMP-EAGA and southern gateway of the country, we must promote the establishment of more air and sea links with our regional neighbors and other mega-tourism hubs.



We can achieve spectacular growth in our tourist arrivals only if our airport is served by more foreign airlines.



We need more airlines to service Davao not only to bring in the tourists and vice versa, but also to generate more revenues for the upkeep of the airport. Was it not embarrassing at one time when no less than the Malacanang chief stumbled on one of the airport comfort rooms without toilet paper!



Now, because of the government's failure to lure more airlines to use the spanking new airport, travelers will shoulder maintenance cost by way of the unconscionable rise in terminal fees. From P40 to P200 ($0.80 - $4).



Another strong reason why we need the "open skies" policy for Davao is its important link to the Middle East where most of our OFWs work. My own estimate is a third of them are from Mindanao. They can leave and go home directly from Davao if we have links with regional airport hubs like KL and Bangkok on their way to the Gulf area, and even to Europe. Our OFWs would be able to save more than $200 in by-passing congested NAIA in Manila.



On this regard, we are most happy about a new budget carrier in Macau which is exploring the potentials of servicing our city. Officials of Viva Macau will visit Davao next week to scout our city, and confer with local officials and travel and tourism industry players.



The former Portuguese enclave could very well serve, along with Nanning, as our gateway to China.



Viva Macau sets out to challenge some of the travel industry's established paradigms. So are we.

i-eexpand ba and davao int. airport??

i think open sky policy is not ok.... we shoud limit in opening itnernational airports in our country cebu and davao are enough to be int'l airports in the country after manila and subic or even laoag... domestic airlines will die with this, incomes that they should earn will earn by their competitor foreign airlines.

i think open sky policy is not ok.... we shoud limit in opening itnernational airports in our country cebu and davao are enough to be int'l airports in the country after manila and subic or even laoag... domestic airlines will die with this, incomes that they should earn will earn by their competitor foreign airlines.

my sentiments exactly...para sa akin nga dapat 3 lang eh...NAIA, MCIA, and DIA. All other airports should be designated as domestic airports or alternate international airports.

opens skies should be implemented only in these airports. pero alam mo naman ang ating gobierno...may iba-ibang mga gusto.

i-eexpand ba and davao int. airport??

it is a big airport already...but it does need to be expanded. but it should be limited to the taxiway and small expansion of the terminal.

my sentiments exactly...para sa akin nga dapat 3 lang eh...NAIA, MCIA, and DIA. All other airports should be designated as domestic airports or alternate international airports.

opens skies should be implemented only in these airports. pero alam mo naman ang ating gobierno...may iba-ibang mga gusto.


aprub na ang open sky policy? alam ko madami pang tutol dito... lalo na ang PAL.

aprub na ang open sky policy? alam ko madami pang tutol dito... lalo na ang PAL.

it is being lobbied by some of the davao city councilors to make the DIA profitable.

we cannot just rely on PAL to service the DIA to any international point in the world.

alot more international airlines should come and land in davao...

silk air realized that. they started with 2 flights a week from davao to singapore. then increased it to 3x then to 4x. now slik air flies 7x a week from davao to singapore (it has to pass cebu 3x a week). maganda ang passenger load dito but the other airlines seem to overlook davao.

it is a fact that more than 50% of the people who use the MCIA come from mindanao. and from that 50%, about 35% comes from the davao reagion. imagine if that percentage would use the DIA to exit the phils.

it may not be a big percentage for MCIA, but it will reduce the number of travellers exiting from there.

we cannot just rely on PAL to service the DIA to any international point in the world.



PAL has never been reliable, and I agree that we cannot just rely on PAL!!! OPEN SKY POLICY is the best solution in the case of Davao.

Originally posted by xzibit31
silk air realized that. they started with 2 flights a week from davao to singapore. then increased it to 3x then to 4x. now slik air flies 7x a week from davao to singapore (it has to pass cebu 3x a week). maganda ang passenger load dito but the other airlines seem to overlook davao.


But xzibit the complaints of some tourists coming from Europe is that going from Europe to the Philppines/Davao , the Europe-Singapore-Davao route is so very expensive than taking route from Europe to Manila then take a domestic flight to Davao.

But xzibit the complaints of some tourists coming from Europe is that going from Europe to the Philppines/Davao , the Europe-Singapore-Davao route is so very expensive than taking route from Europe to Manila then take a domestic flight to Davao.

the reason why this is the case is that silk air has the monopoly on that route. that is why they are charging those fares. but despite those fares, the planes from singapore to davao and back to singaopre are still always full.

that is the reason why we need more international airlines coming into davao. it would help in bringing the fares down drastically...

as per info from Konsehal, viva macau, a LCC from macau, is coming to davao to hold some negotiations. direct flights from macau to davao will soon be a reality. let us cross our fingers...

bakit lumiit ang schedule ng merpati dito sa davao? bakit every mondy nalang? bakit hindi man lang nagpaparamdam ang air asia dito sa davao?

bakit lumiit ang schedule ng merpati dito sa davao? bakit every mondy nalang? bakit hindi man lang nagpaparamdam ang air asia dito sa davao?

there is not enough load to manado...

patience bro. they will come in due time..

Hi there everybody :hi:

Does anyone know the plan for that big piece of lot in-fronting the Davao International Airport? Is there any proposed development in the near future?

PAL plane returns to Davao airport minutes after takeoff

First posted 05:16pm (Mla time) April 11, 2006
By Dennis Jay Santos
Inquirer

DAVAO CITY -- A Philippine Air Lines plane bound for Manila was forced to land again at the Davao International Airport, 30 minutes after it took off around 7:30 a.m. on Tuesday.

Arturo Balaga, PAL branch manager here, said the Airbus 330 jet experienced a problem in its air compressor system, which is responsible for the operation of its emergency slide.

Balaga said there was a sound coming from the compressor, which forced the pilot to return to Davao.

“As a safety procedure the plane returned to ramp after some 25 to 30 minutes [of being] airborne,” Balaga said.

He said the problem did not compromise the safety of the passengers and of the crew.

Balaga said they asked passengers seated near the affected area if they wanted to disembark and wait for the next flight. He said all 22 passengers in the business class opted to disembark, but the rest of the passengers went ahead with their flight.

“It's not an emergency landing, otherwise we would have called off the flight,” Balaga said.

Hi there everybody :hi:

Does anyone know the plan for that big piece of lot in-fronting the Davao International Airport? Is there any proposed development in the near future?

what piece of lot is that?

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1433/davaoairport28qw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

if that piece of land is the one before the carpark, which used to be the offices of hanjin, it is rumored to be a construction site of a new airport hotel. but there is no clear indication if it will push through.

if that piece of land is the one before the carpark, which used to be the offices of hanjin, it is rumored to be a construction site of a new airport hotel. but there is no clear indication if it will push through.

Thanks xzibit31 for the inforamtion...hope it pushes through...the site is very ideal for a hotel... :)

i think open sky policy is not ok.... we shoud limit in opening itnernational airports in our country cebu and davao are enough to be int'l airports in the country after manila and subic or even laoag... domestic airlines will die with this, incomes that they should earn will earn by their competitor foreign airlines.


I do agree and it has been my contention that "Pocket OPen Sky Policy" is a must at least for these three existing international airports, the NAIA, MCIA and DIA. Aside from averting monopoly in the airline industry, the greatest impact of this will be on the Tourism industry. It wont affect much the domestic route since most if not all of the players that will be coming in will service international routes.

I do agree and it has been my contention that "Pocket OPen Sky Policy" is a must at least for these three existing international airports, the NAIA, MCIA and DIA. Aside from averting monopoly in the airline industry, the greatest impact of this will be on the Tourism industry. It wont affect much the domestic route since most if not all of the players that will be coming in will service international routes.

i also agree with you. this is the best proposition for the DIA.

By the way, Konsehal Pete Lavina is intensly lobbying that pocket open skies be implemented for the DIA. I hope he succeeds. i support konsehal all the way.

But xzibit the complaints of some tourists coming from Europe is that going from Europe to the Philppines/Davao , the Europe-Singapore-Davao route is so very expensive than taking route from Europe to Manila then take a domestic flight to Davao.

Here's a simple computation based on my own experience:
(XYZ City) from Europe to Manila: 800 Euros,
Manila to Davao ret. (PAL) 200 Euros, a total of 1000 Euros (not to mention the risk of getting mobbed, robbed or murdered by Taxi drivers there in the capital city)..if the airline arrives late...PAL won't wait to bring you to your PROvincial destination...you have to take a taxi out of the airport, check in a hotel, book the following day, take the taxi back to the hotel again, pack your things up again, take a taxi to the airport, and if you don't get yourself in a traffic (which happened to me) along Roxas Blvd. you'll be able to board on time for a flight to Davao....Whereas I pay 1,200 Euros...then VOILA I'm in Davao (kaagad). European tourist, I suppose, don't mind paying the amount...the only problem, I think is that they don't know where Davao is and they have little motivation to come to the city for some reasons...

^^^^^Tourists don't get mobbed in the capital city in the Philippines nor any other major cities, they just get ripped off with prices on almost everything which doesn't just happened there, heck, it happened to me in UK and Canada. A 3 bucks worth of a city map turned into 7 bucks.( US dollar equivalent)


Another reason why tourist don't get motivated much in going to Davao nor any other Mindanao cities is mainly for security reasons, westerners are being cautioned to wander in the sourthernmost tip of the Philippines so, it's just sad (but good for the cebuanos) that the foreign embassies would issue warnings around that area but they okayed with cautions also in northern and central islands of the Philippines.

i also agree with you. this is the best proposition for the DIA.

By the way, Konsehal Pete Lavina is intensly lobbying that pocket open skies be implemented for the DIA. I hope he succeeds. i support konsehal all the way.

great effort by our fellow forumer 'Konsehal' for DIA. next week Viva Macau will start negotiating with our city.

repost ko lang...

Monday, April 10, 2006
Viva Macau - challenging paradigms
By: Konsehal Pete Laviña

Prior to the opening of the new Davao (Bangoy) International Airport in late 2003, we sought the declaration of Davao as a "pocket open skies area." This is to allow foreign airlines to fly in even beyond the scope of bilateral air agreements between the Philippines and other countries.

I authored at least two measures in the City Council to this effect. One on seeking Davao representation in the country's air negotiating panel to promote our city in bilateral air talks. The other, on the issuance of an executive order to effect an "open skies" regime in Davao. With the help of the Freedom to Fly Coalition, I prepared a draft EO and sent it to Malacanang. Medco chair Jess Dureza was kind enough to endorse it.

We were a few months behind this effort than Clark (Diosdado Macapagal International Airport). Fortunately for them, Malacanang granted Clark an "open skies" policy. The rest, as they say, is now history. Clark is now serviced by many foreign airlines.

Davao was left behind for three years now.

We are now reviving this campaign. A new core group was formed last week and we need all the help to seek this "open skies" regime. If we are to position our city as de facto center of the BIMP-EAGA and southern gateway of the country, we must promote the establishment of more air and sea links with our regional neighbors and other mega-tourism hubs.

We can achieve spectacular growth in our tourist arrivals only if our airport is served by more foreign airlines.

We need more airlines to service Davao not only to bring in the tourists and vice versa, but also to generate more revenues for the upkeep of the airport. Was it not embarrassing at one time when no less than the Malacanang chief stumbled on one of the airport comfort rooms without toilet paper!

Now, because of the government's failure to lure more airlines to use the spanking new airport, travelers will shoulder maintenance cost by way of the unconscionable rise in terminal fees. From P40 to P200 ($0.80 - $4).

Another strong reason why we need the "open skies" policy for Davao is its important link to the Middle East where most of our OFWs work. My own estimate is a third of them are from Mindanao. They can leave and go home directly from Davao if we have links with regional airport hubs like KL and Bangkok on their way to the Gulf area, and even to Europe. Our OFWs would be able to save more than $200 in by-passing congested NAIA in Manila.

On this regard, we are most happy about a new budget carrier in Macau which is exploring the potentials of servicing our city. Officials of Viva Macau will visit Davao next week to scout our city, and confer with local officials and travel and tourism industry players.

The former Portuguese enclave could very well serve, along with Nanning, as our gateway to China.

Viva Macau sets out to challenge some of the travel industry's established paradigms. So are we. http://www.funchain.com/~peterlavina

^^^^^Tourists don't get mobbed in the capital city in the Philippines nor any other major cities, they just get ripped off with prices on almost everything which doesn't just happened there, heck, it happened to me in UK and Canada. A 3 bucks worth of a city map turned into 7 bucks.( US dollar equivalent)


Another reason why tourist don't get motivated much in going to Davao nor any other Mindanao cities is mainly for security reasons, westerners are being cautioned to wander in the sourthernmost tip of the Philippines so, it's just sad (but good for the cebuanos) that the foreign embassies would issue warnings around that area but they okayed with cautions also in northern and central islands of the Philippines.

its very sad that foreign embassies generelize everything that is happening here in mindanao. the adivsories are very ill advised.

i have talked with alot of americans and europeans here in davao and they are glad to be here. they say that it is even more peaceful here than in metro manila. almost zero crime. there has been intense lobbying, on their part, to lift the adivisories on davao city citing the above mentioned reason.

its very sad that foreign embassies generelize everything that is happening here in mindanao. the adivsories are very ill advised.

i have talked with alot of americans and europeans here in davao and they are glad to be here. they say that it is even more peaceful here than in metro manila. almost zero crime. there has been intense lobbying, on their part, to lift the adivisories on davao city citing the above mentioned reason.


I agree with you xzibit31, a great number of retirees from north america and europe chose and loved to stay here in Davao. They find Davao as the safest urban city to live in the country citing factors like: "iron-fisted" mayor, 911 emergency response, preserved and beautified mountain and beach resorts, fresh, affordable food, modest yet affordable housing and other types of accommodation and fairly-priced utilities and on..

If you guys to read more about what I am saying please follow this link. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingindavao

great effort by our fellow forumer 'Konsehal' for DIA. next week Viva Macau will start negotiating with our city.

repost ko lang...

Monday, April 10, 2006
Viva Macau - challenging paradigms
By: Konsehal Pete Laviña

Prior to the opening of the new Davao (Bangoy) International Airport in late 2003, we sought the declaration of Davao as a "pocket open skies area." This is to allow foreign airlines to fly in even beyond the scope of bilateral air agreements between the Philippines and other countries.

I authored at least two measures in the City Council to this effect. One on seeking Davao representation in the country's air negotiating panel to promote our city in bilateral air talks. The other, on the issuance of an executive order to effect an "open skies" regime in Davao. With the help of the Freedom to Fly Coalition, I prepared a draft EO and sent it to Malacanang. Medco chair Jess Dureza was kind enough to endorse it.

We were a few months behind this effort than Clark (Diosdado Macapagal International Airport). Fortunately for them, Malacanang granted Clark an "open skies" policy. The rest, as they say, is now history. Clark is now serviced by many foreign airlines.

Davao was left behind for three years now.

We are now reviving this campaign. A new core group was formed last week and we need all the help to seek this "open skies" regime.

If by granting Clark Airport an "open skies" policy is the reason for it's fast development being serviced now by more foreign airlines then why not grant Davao also. Why would the government make it hard for Davao. btw, how many airports do we have in the country granted or having an "open skies" policy?

Hi there guys... :wave:

Happy Holidays... :)

I understand it's the current standing policy of this administration to open skies subic, clark, cebu and davao. Appropriately this is being fought of course by PR mostly. Hopefully when this happens both tiger air and air asia can service immediately. Tiger air can run a singapore - Davao - Macau flight, and this would be the same as serving HK (it's close enough just a 20US$ 1 hour ferry ride). Air asia would be good to link KK as it does Clark now. From KK it's easy to change flights to KL, Johor Bahru (basically like what macau is to HK - just acrross the border) and points east. I think the open flights that PR hates the most would be Asiana as they would lose a lot of their profitable Mindanao-Manila- US pax as they would have an alternative with a Davao-Inchon-US/Europe. This is a big deal. Of course if someone would do a Japan Davao , which would happen sooner rather than later if there is open skies, then the tuna run would change dramatically and whoever runs this currently (PR and JAL) would face competition. One important thing that should happen if it does go open skies is the opening of a China run from certain cities , most probably fujian/guangzhou in the beginning, then adding Shanghai/Beijing, This is key to Davao and Mindanao's tourism gameplan. In the original Clusters Tourism Plan which is still basically in place , Davao is the lynchpin hence the upgrade of DIA from the very start. Let's hope things fall into to place for this airport.

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If by granting Clark Airport an "open skies" policy is the reason for it's fast development being serviced now by more foreign airlines then why not grant Davao also. Why would the government make it hard for Davao. btw, how many airports do we have in the country granted or having an "open skies" policy?

like any good mystery, look for the money, the answer to your question of why not grant Davao lies with who will earn and who will lose money if this happens!

its very sad that foreign embassies generelize everything that is happening here in mindanao. the adivsories are very ill advised.

i have talked with alot of americans and europeans here in davao and they are glad to be here. they say that it is even more peaceful here than in metro manila. almost zero crime. there has been intense lobbying, on their part, to lift the adivisories on davao city citing the above mentioned reason.

perception and reality are two different things!

I don't think anyone who's been here to davao really thinks it's dangerous even foreigners, but media has not been kind to mindanao and hence the shape of the publics perceptions are distorted, to develop tourism it's key to be proactive and not reactive to this.

it would also help if we had more hotels and tourism facilities in davao/southern mindanao

I understand it's the current standing policy of this administration to open skies subic, clark, cebu and davao. Appropriately this is being fought of course by PR mostly. Hopefully when this happens both tiger air and air asia can service immediately. Tiger air can run a singapore - Davao - Macau flight, and this would be the same as serving HK (it's close enough just a 20US$ 1 hour ferry ride). Air asia would be good to link KK as it does Clark now. From KK it's easy to change flights to KL, Johor Bahru (basically like what macau is to HK - just acrross the border) and points east. I think the open flights that PR hates the most would be Asiana as they would lose a lot of their profitable Mindanao-Manila- US pax as they would have an alternative with a Davao-Inchon-US/Europe. This is a big deal. Of course if someone would do a Japan Davao , which would happen sooner rather than later if there is open skies, then the tuna run would change dramatically and whoever runs this currently (PR and JAL) would face competition. One important thing that should happen if it does go open skies is the opening of a China run from certain cities , most probably fujian/guangzhou in the beginning, then adding Shanghai/Beijing, This is key to Davao and Mindanao's tourism gameplan. In the original Clusters Tourism Plan which is still basically in place , Davao is the lynchpin hence the upgrade of DIA from the very start. Let's hope things fall into to place for this airport.


very nicely written.. i agree with everything that you have written. there is a very large market from mindanao. not only will NAIA lose the mindanao traffic, MCIA will also lose its traffic from mindanao. it may not be significan, but nevertheless, they would still lose it.

one good example is that of silk air. right now the fare of MNL-SING more expensive than DVO-SING. it is more convenient for us to go to SING from DVO. no more passing the chaotic airport in MNL. almost all flights from the DVO-SING sector is always fully booked...

I think the airlinks are key to growth of Davao. Very important in the long run. Davao has the potential to be a tourism powerhouse plus it's got it's own natural market, with Gen San and Cotabato City adding at least 2 million people more for this airport. I just came from KK and they have a similar airport to Davao with one field no taxiway, yet KK had like a million tourist alone on 10 times the flights (airasia had it's own super crappy terminal , worse than our own old bangoy terminal) ! I beleive there is no reason Davao can not get to that level in 5 years with the right airlinks. Let's hope this plus the upgrades push through so.

I think the airlinks are key to growth of Davao. Very important in the long run. Davao has the potential to be a tourism powerhouse plus it's got it's own natural market, with Gen San and Cotabato City adding at least 2 million people more for this airport. I just came from KK and they have a similar airport to Davao with one field no taxiway, yet KK had like a million tourist alone on 10 times the flights (airasia had it's own super crappy terminal , worse than our own old bangoy terminal) ! I beleive there is no reason Davao can not get to that level in 5 years with the right airlinks. Let's hope this plus the upgrades push through so.

right on!!!

paging the concerned people...politicians.... :)

right on!!!

paging the concerned people...politicians.... :)

:) Hello!

The one problem we have in Davao with regards luring more airlines to service our airport is the lack of appreciation of this issue by our policy and decision makers. Thus, it is extremely important for the private sector to hoy gising! these people.

At the Club 888 at Marco Polo I was tagged as a one-man army in this crusade.

In our new campaign for an "open skies" we hope to shake up the likes of Mayor Duterte, RDC Chair Ayala, Sec. Del Rosario, Majority Leader Nogie, Rep. Malanyaon, etc. for support. Even the likes of Don Paco Dizon could help a lot.

I guess I have to lie low after setting the campaign up because I am persona non grata to Malacanang. :wave:

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:) Hello!

The one problem we have in Davao with regards luring more airlines to service our airport is the lack of appreciation of this issue by our policy and decision makers. Thus, it is extremely important for the private sector to hoy gising! these people.

At the Club 888 at Marco Polo I was tagged as a one-man army in this crusade.

In our new campaign for an "open skies" we hope to shake up the likes of Mayor Duterte, RDC Chair Ayala, Sec. Del Rosario, Majority Leader Nogie, Rep. Malanyaon, etc. for support. Even the likes of Don Paco Dizon could help a lot.

I guess I have to lie low after setting the campaign up because I am persona non grata to Malacanang. :wave:

www.funchain.com/~peterlavina (http://funchain.com/~peterlavina)


i hope these people would wake up and realize the importance to lure alot more airlines to service our airport. sayang kasi. we have a new one, yet only merpati(once a week) and silk air(7x a week) is using it. we cannot rely on philippine airlines to start international services from our city. dapat siguro the likes of air asia and tiger air should service the DIA.

why, may i ask, are you persona non grata to malacanan?

Well another way would be for Davaoenos to start their own airline , hehe. Airasia is looking for a Philippine partner to launch air asia philippines.

i hope these people would wake up and realize the importance to lure alot more airlines to service our airport. sayang kasi. we have a new one, yet only merpati(once a week) and silk air(7x a week) is using it. we cannot rely on philippine airlines to start international services from our city. dapat siguro the likes of air asia and tiger air should service the DIA.

why, may i ask, are you persona non grata to malacanan?

I am persona non grata at the Palace because I ran under FPJ's KNP.
Also, in the wake of the Garci scandal, the lies, the cover-up, the fund anomalies, the authoritarian tendencies like CPR, PP1017, etc., I called for the Palace occupant to resign.

:hm: Hawa Madam!

^^well that would do it! :)

Well another way would be for Davaoenos to start their own airline....

...and call the Davao-based airline "Davao Pacific" :jk:

...and call the Davao-based airline "Davao Pacific" :jk:

What about Durian Airlines... tastes like heaven, smells like hell... :)

I remember 6 or 7 years ago there was a noise about a local airline to service many areas with Davao as its hub.. the peoposed name was Eagle Air or something to that effect. The plan never saw the light of day when the Asian crisis pummelled asian countries' economy down including the PHilippines.

I remember 6 or 7 years ago there was a noise about a local airline to service many areas with Davao as its hub.. the peoposed name was Eagle Air or something to that effect. The plan never saw the light of day when the Asian crisis pummelled asian countries' economy down including the PHilippines.


Mindanao Express? South Phoenix Airways? Orient Airlines?

Mindanao Express? South Phoenix Airways? Orient Airlines?
i think south phenix. eagle air i supposed is operational as cargo plane.

What about Durian Airlines... tastes like heaven, smells like hell... :)

What about "Bagobo Airways" or "Mandaya Air" or how about this "Davao International Airways short DIA" :cheers:

Well another way would be for Davaoenos to start their own airline , hehe. Airasia is looking for a Philippine partner to launch air asia philippines.

hmmm...interesting. The more competition, the better:)

What about "Bagobo Airways" or "Mandaya Air" or how about this "Davao International Airways short DIA" :cheers:

we could go on and on. A lot of catchy names symbolic to Davao.

hmmm...interesting. The more competition, the better:)

Hey GreyX, magkapitbahay yata tayo. Asa ka dapit sa Richmond.

Well another way would be for Davaoenos to start their own airline , hehe. Airasia is looking for a Philippine partner to launch air asia philippines.

talga? magkano kaya ang investment yan noh? :)

^^ I Know 5j was started with 100million pesos or US$4million in 95 money. You can probably start one with less with smaller aircraft. But if we want to help DAvao it needs to be an LCC, so maybe a bit more. You can probably buy 5j's old planes very cheaply.

Hey GreyX, magkapitbahay yata tayo. Asa ka dapit sa Richmond.

Richmond, BC right? I live in the Brighouse area.

^^ I Know 5j was started with 100million pesos or US$4million in 95 money. You can probably start one with less with smaller aircraft. But if we want to help DAvao it needs to be an LCC, so maybe a bit more. You can probably buy 5j's old planes very cheaply.


Oh no, that's bad news. If a company is just starting, maybe they can start with a lesser aircrafts but newer models. You don't want your 1st maiden flight to an introductory route end up in a big disaster. Newer models would be needing lesser maintenance, so it would be requiring lesser crews or staffs.

Richmond, BC right? I live in the Brighouse area.

thanks for the dingo. Yup, BC. I'm here at railway and williams. are you from DC or CDO?

thanks for the dingo. Yup, BC. I'm here at railway and williams. are you from DC or CDO?

I PMed you my reply, since we are offtopic now:D

I PMed you my reply, since we are offtopic now:D

right on bud!

Oh no, that's bad news. If a company is just starting, maybe they can start with a lesser aircrafts but newer models. You don't want your 1st maiden flight to an introductory route end up in a big disaster. Newer models would be needing lesser maintenance, so it would be requiring lesser crews or staffs.

Of course newplanes are nice , If you're willing to start with more money, of course it's better, but I think the list price of a new A320 is aounr 40 to 50 Million US and you can't get finaincing for a startup unless your some big group already. with the distances and market xize I don't think you can run RJ's so you'll need mainline jets , even if htey are narrowbodies! You can lease newer planes but this will have an impact on your CASM, so takeyour pick!:) I don't know how much airaasia was started with , can probably be googled, but they were using 2nd hand 737, not reallymuch better than 5j's dc9's. The only reason I suggested it was because there's probably a decent MX base in the country already.

Here I found an article on how air asia started, this will give our budding airline magnates food for thought.

"Co-operation, Competition and Low Cost Carriers" with Tony Fernandes, CEO of AirAsia, 4 Aug 2005

The talk in general was peppered with many humorous anecdotes of the challenges in the establishment of the AirAsia and getting the buy-in of the regional governments, in particular Singaporeand Malaysia. His talk was inspirational and witty.

For the budding entrepreneurs in the audience, he advised:

· “Never let anyone laugh at you”

- He offered the story of how AirAsia started with him not having any experience in the aviation industry and not having any political connection.

· “Cash is king”

- Regardless of what the profit and loss sheet shows, what matters is the amount of capital in the bank.

· “To find silver lining” in every bad situation

- For instance, despite the seemingly bad timing of the establishment of AirAsia (which was about 2 months after September 11 incident), outbreak of SARS and the high fuel costs, AirAsia managed to turn them into opportunities for growth.

- Even during the SARS outbreak, AirAsia broke even. When it was noticed that the coverage in the Malay press on the outbreak was not as extensive as the Chinese press, he increased advertising on the Malay press. By advertising when the rest did not, AirAsia was able to increase its presence in the media.

- When AirAsia could not sell their tickets through travel agencies (due to the latter’s agreements with other national carriers), AirAsia used an alternative marketing channel- the internet.

· “Believe the unbelievable, dream the impossible and don’t take ‘no’ for an answer”

He pointed out the achievements AirAsia had accomplished in the past 3 years- paying off of the debts, carrying of 12 million guests (customers) since the current management took over, increase in the number of planes and changing the rules and way things work such as the introduction of other means of booking and payment.

Mr Fernandes also shared some of the ways in which AirAsia have worked to develop a common corporate culture:

· In order not to lose sight of the business that they are in, the office of AirAsia is located at the airport.

· Making everyone in the office use the same entrance/exit to promote a group identity

· Having an open office concept so that there is no compartmentalisation

· Allowing staff to wear causal so as to reduce the “power distance” of staff

· Experiencing the various roles e.g. bag-handlers, ticketing so that Mr Fernandes could understand the various aspects of the business

· Taking complaints seriously

Mr Fernandes explained the importance of creating a motivated and empowered workforce. He provided an example of how AirAsia set up a flight academy and allowed its internal staff to try for admission into the flight school. There have been AirAsia bag handlers and flight attendants who have subsequently become pilots.

AirAsia staff was involved in the company in various ways. Ideas and suggestions were encouraged, and the motto, “Anything is possible”, generates the motivation for staff to excel.

Mr Fernandes believed that there has been a general neglect of internal branding as companies tended to focus externally. However, without the staff understanding the branding of the company, he thought that it was unlikely that the branding exercise would work. Hence, the staff must first understand the company’s direction before any effort is made to convince others. Midnightbriefings with a large number of staff were also conducted to involve as many as possible. All these measures created a “will to win” attitude in AirAsia.

Another focus of AirAsia was keeping its costs low. Low costs need not come at the expense of customer service if creativity was exercised. For instance, prizes were offered to passengers who agreed to demonstrate the safety procedures. This also creates excitement and enjoyment for the passengers.

Mr Fernandes pointed out his vision for AirAsia is for it to become a truly ASEAN brand. That was the reason why the brand “AirAsia” was used in the various joint ventures in other ASEAN countries e.g. AirAsia Indonesiaand AirAsia Thailand. This uniformity extends to other areas e.g. uniforms, corporate culture, websites. He also mentioned the importance of using the various local languages of ASEAN (e.g. Malay, Tamil and Mandarin other than simply using English) on the web to encourage the use of the internet.

In the conclusion, Mr Fernandes pointed to some of the challenges that AirAsia faces.

· High fuel prices

- However, this was an issue that all airlines had to grapple with.

· Competition

- Mr Fernandes was not so much worried about competition as his own costs. However, given the large population in Asiaand the relatively poor infrastructure, the air travel industry is likely to boom.

· Government

- Difficulties include obtaining landing rights, having a low cost terminal, allowing for transport links between the terminal and the metropolitan areas.

Last, Mr Fernandes reiterated the value that low cost carriers (LCC) in terms of increasing tourism for the countries.

Q&A

The first question sought Mr Fernandes’ opinion on how to lower the cost of ChangiAirportto make it feasible for LCCs to operate from there. Mr Fernandes opined that it was unlikely that Changi would be able to lower its cost sufficiently to make it financially viable for LCCs. Similarly, no LCC have found Heathrow to be a viable terminal for low cost carriers. The reasons for not using Changi or a main airport (like Heathrow) were:

· The need to queuing for take-off

- The fuel consumption of the plane waiting for take-off was considerable especially at busy airports where queues were frequent.

· Length of the runway

- Given that Changi had been built for larger aircraft (e.g. A380), the runway was a lot longer than necessary for smaller planes (B737) used by LCCs. This longer distance meant that a higher fuel cost would be incurred.

· Infrastructural cost of Changi

- Given the heavy traffic at Changi, the maintenance costs (e.g. the maintenance of the runway) were much higher than a smaller airport

- This also results in a higher airport tax

Mr Fernandes suggested that Seletar would be a more suitable location for a low cost carrier terminal as it was less utilised and did not suffer from the problems of Changi as stated above.

Simon asked why it was possible for AirAsia to fly out of KLIA given that the similarity between KLIA and Changi which were both built for larger aircrafts and not for low cost carriers. Mr Fernandes replied that the traffic at KLIA was not as heavy, reducing the waiting time for take-off. More importantly, KLIA provided a separate runway for AirAsia and allowed AirAsia to build its own LCC terminal in KLIA. He pointed out that the Malaysian government had given significant support once they saw the benefits of LCCs.

The second question challenged Mr Fernandes’ claim that full-service airlines could not be successful in the LCC industry.

Mr Fernandes pointed out the business models for full service airlines and LCCs were completely different. This was the reason why successful LCCs such as RyanAir and Southwest did not buy over full-service carriers even though they could afford. Had they done so, they would have failed. LCCs generally have a much shorter flight radius than their full service counterparts, allowing them to turn around their planes much quicker. In the case of East Asia, he suspected that there was a tendency for full-service carriers to set up LCCs for merely defensive purposes, rather than simply interested to grow the LCC market for its own sake.

The third question was on the difference between AirAsia and Southwest Airlines given their similarities in terms of corporate culture and management style.

Mr Fernandes highlighted the value in learning from various successful models. However, there were key differences between the two airlines:

· Lack of unions in AirAsia

· The difference in focus in distribution channels

- Southwest tends to rely more heavily on travel agents than AirAsia

· Lack of connecting flights

- Unlike AirAsia, Southwest allows passengers to make connecting flights

· International vs Domestic

- Unlike AirAsia which flies to international destinations, Southwest does not fly out of the United States

The fourth question was on the security measures that AirAsia was taking given the current climate of uncertainty.

Mr Fernandes explained that AirAsia had an evaluation team to monitor the level of security. Other measures such as installing cameras on the cockpit doors have also been taken. However, the bulk of the security measures would be undertaken by the airport authorities. In any case, AirAsia would also not use any airport that is deemed to be insecure.

The fifth question revolved around the similarities between Virgin boss, Mr Richard Branson and the speaker. The questioner asked if like Mr Branson, Mr Fernandes would be involved in other businesses.

Mr Fernandes revealed that he had formerly worked for Mr Richard Branson. However, there were many differences between the two of them. The main difference is that Mr Richard Branson is primarily a venture capitalist whereas Mr Fernandes is interested in building up the business. While Mr Fernandes might use the brand AirAsia for other related businesses e.g. issuing credit cards, it is primarily a budget airline business. Furthermore, Mr Fernandes is more hands-on compared to Mr Branson.

The sixth question was on the motivation behind sponsoring Manchester United given that the team was not doing well in the English Premier League.

Mr Fernandes pointed out that sponsorship of Manchester United was not a matter of personal support (he’s a West Ham supporter). Instead, it was based on the basis that Manchester United had the largest fan support. Sponsoring Manchester United was part of a strategy to appeal to a different market- to attract tourists travelling to Asiato use Air Asia for their flights within Asia. The strategic consideration was to make AirAsia the defacto LCC in Asia.

Simon ended the session by taking a straw poll of the audience on whether the audience felt that it was unfair for the government to ban the bus from Singaporeto Senai.

The result….. No one thought that it was fair that no bus was allowed to ply between Senai and Singapore.

hey, any news about the DIA taxiway? kailan ba magkakaron ng airport hotel ang davao? may direct flight ba between singapore and palau? kasi kung wala, puede ang davao maging connection sa kanilang dalawa. kaya kailangan ng hotel na malapit sa airport.

wala pa man news dude...

for the taxiway, its up to the concerned government agency kung kelan nito nila gawin...

for the hotel...private investors and kelangan dun..

wala pa man news dude...

for the taxiway, its up to the concerned government agency kung kelan nito nila gawin...

for the hotel...private investors and kelangan dun..


Just want to ask why davao - indonesia connection stops in manado when the promise of traffic is in bali. Bali has i think direct air route with Australia thru qantas. A haven of westerners. And what if davao put up travel agency or tourism office there, we are just a stone's throw away for sidetripping holiday goers. We have world class tourism facilities and amenities.

Just want to ask why davao - indonesia connection stops in manado when the promise of traffic is in bali. Bali has i think direct air route with Australia thru qantas. A haven of westerners. And what if davao put up travel agency or tourism office there, we are just a stone's throw away for sidetripping holiday goers. We have world class tourism facilities and amenities.

that is the million dollar question pare....maybe its business they are after and no the tourists...which in my opinion is wrong...tourists bring in big business...

I am persona non grata at the Palace because I ran under FPJ's KNP.
Also, in the wake of the Garci scandal, the lies, the cover-up, the fund anomalies, the authoritarian tendencies like CPR, PP1017, etc., I called for the Palace occupant to resign.

:hm: Hawa Madam!


This maybe off topic. Sensya po mo detour ko kadyot. Just like to ask you sir whats the update of proposed Samal Bridge project ug Marina Club at Sta Ana pier. Another one is why is davao seemed to be lagging behind cdo in terms of business activity today. I ask this bec Ayala Center i heard will start groundbreaking there this year when in fact it was Davao who they were planning for first expansion in mindanao. Ayala center was the catalyst of Cebu's economic prosperity and modern image it is today. I'm worried one day cdo will strip davao of its title as de facto capital of the island.

Suggestment(suggestion dala comment. lol). Why can't the city/nat'l gov't convert the old airport to IT park that left it to rot. Murag kita r sa Mindanao ang walay IT park. cdo has 2 call centers( i mean mga dagko nga companies)
bec they have it. And I guess its always an edge to lure investors if there is that special zone.

This maybe off topic. Sensya po mo detour ko kadyot. Just like to ask you sir whats the update of proposed Samal Bridge project ug Marina Club at Sta Ana pier. Another one is why is davao seemed to be lagging behind cdo in terms of business activity today. I ask this bec Ayala Center i heard will start groundbreaking there this year when in fact it was Davao who they were planning for first expansion in mindanao. Ayala center was the catalyst of Cebu's economic prosperity and modern image it is today. I'm worried one day cdo will strip davao of its title as de facto capital of the island.

Suggestment(suggestion dala comment. lol). Why can't the city/nat'l gov't convert the old airport to IT park that left it to rot. Murag kita r sa Mindanao ang walay IT park. cdo has 2 call centers( i mean mga dagko nga companies)
bec they have it. And I guess its always an edge to lure investors if there is that special zone.

the ayala's, i heard, are negotiating to buy lanang golf and country club and convert it to something like the ayala biz park in cebu. years age negotiations bogged down because the dacudao's wanted to be partners with the ayalas. the ayalas did not want that. pero i heard that they are under negotiations
again...

about the old airport...i think its a good idea. but that area is reserved for future expansion of the airport..(whatever expansion that is...)

about the old airport...i think its a good idea. but that area is reserved for future expansion of the airport..(whatever expansion that is...)

-----maybe the future terminal of Davao's regional/international carrier... The Durian Airlines.... :hahano:

the ayala's, i heard, are negotiating to buy lanang golf and country club and convert it to something like the ayala biz park in cebu. years age negotiations bogged down because the dacudao's wanted to be partners with the ayalas. the ayalas did not want that. pero i heard that they are under negotiations
again...

....OPINION LANG ITO HA: I would rather see Ayala investing more in industrial parks in Davao than converting golf courses into business parks.... :) AGAIN, OPINION LANG ITO::: Btw, do we have a 'light aircraft manufacturing' industry in the Philippines.....the old DIA terminal could be converted into an aircraft manufacturing plant and training school....:rock: what do you think?

Do not make the mistake of eauting Ayala investment with development! Analyze the causality of both cause and effect. Don't forget they were in Davao before and left (Davao insular, insular village, Lapanday (at least one of the farms maybe guihing is there). Ayala is investing in CDO because it sees an opportunity, in Davao all they have are competitors some of whom are big national gorillas like SM, Regional Gorillas like Gaisano and Smart local operators like NCCC. We also have that First Oriental Industrial park set up by Cora in the 90's but this has not propsered at all. It has a lot to do with land being cheap so why bother buy in an industrial park.

The old terminal will not make a good place for manufacturing or light business. For airccraft manufacturing you need high quality machine shops, engineering capability etc, which we don't have in Davao unless you're talking about backyard experimental plane types. The whole Philippines lags behind in this industry actually. The old terminal is better suited for some aviation related business such as a low cost airline like airasia wanting to operate it so they can charge php 1000 airfare to manila! of course you need to walk in the sun on the tarmac and no aircon even while checking in!

Durian Air on the other hand is great idea. ok ta to

i think the best location for an IT or Industrial park is near DIA in buhangin area. although malayo ito sa downtown area, malapit naman ito sa DIA.
By the way, diba may malaking lot jan sa Quimpo blvrd. na di ocupado? malapit sa may crossing mc arthur high way, sino pla nagmamayari sa lupang yan. i think maganda rin jan ilagay ang IT or Business park. malapit pa sa SM.

^^iyung kay John Gaisano ata iyan, malapit doon sa Hardware store na malaki right? before the highway makes a curve to the left. Most the land to the left are sila Huang and VillaBrille relatives.

i wish they would tear down those ugly tents at the arrival exit, departure entrance, and waiting area. i wish they would build something permanent. the structure should blend with the existing terminal.

they sould also instill order to those who are meeting someone at the airport. para kasing palengke dun eh. the taxi drivers too should be put in a specific place. ang babastos kasi nila. i dont know why the ato cannot fix this problem sa DIA.

ewan ko ba....

the taxi drivers too should be put in a specific place. ang babastos kasi nila. i dont know why the ato cannot fix this problem sa DIA.

ewan ko ba....

I remember there was this sort of 'complaint sheet' policemen hand down to the taxi-riding public at the DIAirport BEFORE...that served as a good deterrence for would-be abusive taxi-drivers. :bash:

I remember there was this sort of 'complaint sheet' policemen hand down to the taxi-riding public at the DIAirport BEFORE...that served as a good deterrence for would-be abusive taxi-drivers. :bash:


i know. pero mron pa rin nakakalusot na matitigas na ulo na mga taxi drivers...

i know. pero mron pa rin nakakalusot na matitigas na ulo na mga taxi drivers...

at least the new airport is nearer to the main road.. when i arrive at the new airport, i usually walk to the highway outside. this is where i find a taxi or a jeep to ride. before, i had no choice but to take a taxi since the old airport was far from the main highway... was usually a victim of contract taxis. :bash:

Originally posted by xzibit31
i know. pero mron pa rin nakakalusot na matitigas na ulo na mga taxi drivers...

I was in the Airport before the ATF and heard w/ the other taxi drivers that this ass @#% taxi driver was reported by a Korean tourist and his Filipina girlfriend that he dump them in the middle of the road for they did not agree on the taxi drivers fare price! Then the mayor heard about the incident,ohh he was just lucky coz mayor just sec late when he got to the airport, coz if he caught him , they tell me he he will literally drag him out of the airport !

I was in the Airport before the ATF and heard w/ the other taxi drivers that this ass @#% taxi driver was reported by a Korean tourist and his Filipina girlfriend that he dump them in the middle of the road for they did not agree on the taxi drivers fare price! Then the mayor heard about the incident,ohh he was just lucky coz mayor just sec late when he got to the airport, coz if he caught him , they tell me he he will literally drag him out of the airport !

I've heard of another incident when our mayor beat up a taxi driver for refusing to service a pregnant woman with bags of groceries in tow. The abusive taxi driver came out of the mayor's office in black and blue. Good for him.

I've heard of another incident when our mayor beat up a taxi driver for refusing to service a pregnant woman with bags of groceries in tow. The abusive taxi driver came out of the mayor's office in black and blue. Good for him.

hahah good for him, im not trying to generalized all taxi drivers but i do understand their pedicaments with high cost of fuels eating up their earnings you cant blame them if they try to squeezed more from hapless passengers because i did have that kind of experience when i went home to visit my father in tagum last febuary. my brother fetched me at the airport and contracted the taxi at the arrival area, this driver from the started to talk abt the high cost of fuel, abusive passengers??? etc jst want to jstify the extra pesos he is asking from us aside from the meter fare which seems to click as fast as he talks, anyway not all drivers are like that , they dont have the right to ask for tips from passengers, its illegal and immoral from my point of view but of course there are still honest drivers around, i hope the authority will do somethings abt the transportation at the airport

i think the best location for an IT or Industrial park is near DIA in buhangin area. although malayo ito sa downtown area, malapit naman ito sa DIA.
By the way, diba may malaking lot jan sa Quimpo blvrd. na di ocupado? malapit sa may crossing mc arthur high way, sino pla nagmamayari sa lupang yan. i think maganda rin jan ilagay ang IT or Business park. malapit pa sa SM.

Hello! :)

Angie Angliongto is working for an IT Park. He's trying to get the NCCC group to join him because his property is beside the Lim's. It must be along Mamay Road near the airport.

Incidentally, forumers who are free at 2 pm today can join us at the 3rd Floor SP bldg. I will present strategy on how we can push the "open skies" policy for the Davao (Bangoy) International Airport.

Salamat!

^^Go open skies!

Strangely enough I've never been even once victimized by taxi drivers who did not want to put on their meters! But I must say the taxi's in Davao now are pretty run down.Before I remember when Holiday put out all thenew kia's OK, malamig pa aircon! Now they just use the cheap 2nd hand kia from Korea.

Xzibit my beef is why are we walking to the parking lot when there is a perfectly good and well designed meet and greet area for domestic and international passengers on both sides of the terminal. The architects took into consideration the fact that Pinoys come in by the jeepney load to welcome their relatives and designed that open area. I'm very sure that security is also a huge consideration. I rememer how impressed I was the first time I got out of the new DIA as there was a proper meeting area for everyone and it looked great. Now al this perfectly usable space is not used and you hae to walk out in the sun to a tent. I'm sure the kamaganaks of the ATO and other VIP kuno who thought of this does not use these walkways and Globe tents.

but do you think davao will expand its airport from its left and right if ever flight traffic increases there.

but do you think davao will expand its airport from its left and right if ever flight traffic increases there.

it will...sayang kasi ang space...

it must be saturated first before a new airport would be made..

it will...sayang kasi ang space...

it must be saturated first before a new airport would be made..

i think it was said before that the airport planners already pinpointed a location for future expansion (if there is no more space in current airport). just a question, why did they not go right away to the new place? even if it will take some time before the current airport will get saturated, why didn't they build directly at the pinpointed location? is it because of the runway? wouldn't it have been cheaper if they built directly there at the pinpointed location. Sorry, am just curious. :?

i think it was said before that the airport planners already pinpointed a location for future expansion (if there is no more space in current airport). just a question, why did they not go right away to the new place? even if it will take some time before the current airport will get saturated, why didn't they build directly at the pinpointed location? is it because of the runway? wouldn't it have been cheaper if they built directly there at the pinpointed location. Sorry, am just curious. :?

i dont know what the real reason is. but maybe its because of money. its may take billlions upon billions of pesos to develop/construct a new airport.(airside, landside, road networks, and alot more). at the same site the total cost was around 5.2 billion.... at the new site, god knows how much....no money kasi ang phil government....hehehehehe

yup there is already a site. its between panabo and davao city..its around 2000 hectars. government land ito...

A really nice, well planned airport for davao... and first to use a satellite based nav aids!

I love to see world class domestic airport(not just international ones) in the country and using latest nav aids, security equipments and others making it more i would say safer. Upcoming would be the new iloilo airport, what could be high tech in it..:)

i think it was said before that the airport planners already pinpointed a location for future expansion (if there is no more space in current airport). just a question, why did they not go right away to the new place? even if it will take some time before the current airport will get saturated, why didn't they build directly at the pinpointed location? is it because of the runway? wouldn't it have been cheaper if they built directly there at the pinpointed location. Sorry, am just curious.


i dont know what the real reason is. but maybe its because of money. its may take billlions upon billions of pesos to develop/construct a new airport.(airside, landside, road networks, and alot more). at the same site the total cost was around 5.2 billion.... at the new site, god knows how much....no money kasi ang phil government....hehehehehe

yup there is already a site. its between panabo and davao city..its around 2000 hectars. government land ito...

You are correct with this. In appropriation for the budget it was decided to doa an airport that will be good for at least 25 years ASAP (in the 90's) rather than wait for an appropriation of hundreds of millions of dollars more. It's not only the new runway which makes it expensive, Things like fencing, security ( imagine how much a 20 kilometer wall will cost with a perimeter road! and watch towers), additonal transportation infrastructure (new roads etc) , new areas for private concessionaires, electrical distribution. The whole project would probably be an around 500 million US. I think the present will be fine if it accomodate up to a 747 and A380, plus am sure the terminal can be expanded to accomodate a fewmillion more visitors which we don't have at this point yet. Eitehr way the Kimchi stand will be a big success!

You are correct with this. In appropriation for the budget it was decided to doa an airport that will be good for at least 25 years ASAP (in the 90's) rather than wait for an appropriation of hundreds of millions of dollars more. It's not only the new runway which makes it expensive, Things like fencing, security ( imagine how much a 20 kilometer wall will cost with a perimeter road! and watch towers), additonal transportation infrastructure (new roads etc) , new areas for private concessionaires, electrical distribution. The whole project would probably be an around 500 million US. I think the present will be fine if it accomodate up to a 747 and A380, plus am sure the terminal can be expanded to accomodate a fewmillion more visitors which we don't have at this point yet. Eitehr way the Kimchi stand will be a big success!

right on dude.... :)

Sounds disturbing! I'm not sure the solution may be neccesarily correct.

Tuesday, April 25, 2006 (Philippines)
Let's save DIA from being white elephant
Antonio Ajero/Calidarium

'It would be a blunder if the DIA will be left to the management by the Manila International Airport Authority or the continued manhandling of its affairs by the Air Transportation Authority.'

ON CURSORY look, the Davao International Airport (DIA) is a very impressive facility.

This may sound an exaggeration but I have yet to meet a first-time Davao visitor who has not said the DIA is the country's most beautiful airport.

But Dabawenyos who are in the know--those informed of the shenanigans that went on before, during and even after the DIA's construction and have an inkling why its cost shot up to nearly P5 billion from the original P2.9 billion--realize that the monolith will deteriorate fast into a white elephant if nothing is done about it quick.

That the roof of certain offices leaks and that the restrooms are sometimes not provided with such basic sanitary amenities as toilet paper, as discovered by President Arroyo herself, are just small indications of how lousily the DIA is being managed. There are graver problems that are a crying shame of the much-vaunted facility, among them the absence of a serviceable instrument landing system, which enables aircraft to execute precision approach during landing.

The DIA reportedly has a multi-million ILS, which is not working. One way of halting the slide of the DIA into a white elephant is to create a body to manage it well. The close to a dozen members of the House of Representations in the Davao region should hasten the consolidation and approval of bills seeking the creation of a Davao International Airport Authority. There is hardly no argument over the establishment of a DIAA and the advantages to be derived from an autonomous authority managing the multi-billion facility.

It would be a blunder if the DIA will be left to the management by the Manila International Airport Authority or the continued manhandling of its affairs by the Air Transportation Authority. Both agencies have their hands full of their man-size problems, including the NAIA 3, which has not been opened to traffic years after its completion.

Without a local authority, the DIA will continue hemorrhaging money, as its equipment and amenities deteriorate.

No less than Secretary Dolfo del Rosario has urged Davao lawmakers to hurry up with the DIAA creation. He said lack of money for the DIAA should not be a reason for stalling its creation.

The airport authority will not be needed only for the operation of the DIA. It will also see to it that the facility is busy with flights from all over the world. This is the only way to make the DIA earning. While at it, we think that the government should be discouraged from constructing more international airports in other parts of the Mindanao in addition to what it already have--the DIA and the General Santos City Airport.

Sounds disturbing! I'm not sure the solution may be neccesarily correct.

Tuesday, April 25, 2006 (Philippines)
Let's save DIA from being white elephant
Antonio Ajero/Calidarium

'It would be a blunder if the DIA will be left to the management by the Manila International Airport Authority or the continued manhandling of its affairs by the Air Transportation Authority.'

ON CURSORY look, the Davao International Airport (DIA) is a very impressive facility.

This may sound an exaggeration but I have yet to meet a first-time Davao visitor who has not said the DIA is the country's most beautiful airport.

But Dabawenyos who are in the know--those informed of the shenanigans that went on before, during and even after the DIA's construction and have an inkling why its cost shot up to nearly P5 billion from the original P2.9 billion--realize that the monolith will deteriorate fast into a white elephant if nothing is done about it quick.

That the roof of certain offices leaks and that the restrooms are sometimes not provided with such basic sanitary amenities as toilet paper, as discovered by President Arroyo herself, are just small indications of how lousily the DIA is being managed. There are graver problems that are a crying shame of the much-vaunted facility, among them the absence of a serviceable instrument landing system, which enables aircraft to execute precision approach during landing.

The DIA reportedly has a multi-million ILS, which is not working. One way of halting the slide of the DIA into a white elephant is to create a body to manage it well. The close to a dozen members of the House of Representations in the Davao region should hasten the consolidation and approval of bills seeking the creation of a Davao International Airport Authority. There is hardly no argument over the establishment of a DIAA and the advantages to be derived from an autonomous authority managing the multi-billion facility.

It would be a blunder if the DIA will be left to the management by the Manila International Airport Authority or the continued manhandling of its affairs by the Air Transportation Authority. Both agencies have their hands full of their man-size problems, including the NAIA 3, which has not been opened to traffic years after its completion.

Without a local authority, the DIA will continue hemorrhaging money, as its equipment and amenities deteriorate.

No less than Secretary Dolfo del Rosario has urged Davao lawmakers to hurry up with the DIAA creation. He said lack of money for the DIAA should not be a reason for stalling its creation.

The airport authority will not be needed only for the operation of the DIA. It will also see to it that the facility is busy with flights from all over the world. This is the only way to make the DIA earning. While at it, we think that the government should be discouraged from constructing more international airports in other parts of the Mindanao in addition to what it already have--the DIA and the General Santos City Airport.


the writer of this column is not properly informed.

he says that the airport has a multi million ils that is not functioning...he is dead wrong..i was on a flight from manila to davao recently. the pilot was my uncle. i was seated at the jump seat of the cockpit of an a320. i could clearly hear the tower saying that they execute an ils approach to runway 05. my uncle, the pilot, responded to the tower and executed an ils approach. the ils at the davao airport is the most modern catergory 1 ils system in the country today. it is a sattelite based system. both approaches,05 and 23, is equipped with ils approaches. only a few airports here in the philippines have both runways that is under ils coverage. clearly he or she got his or her info from the prehistoric ages or when the crash of the air phil plane occured.

that the cr's have no toilet papers... all the toilets that i have gone into inside the terminal is well stocked...

that there are leaks...well it has been rectified already...how do i know? i know someone who is working inside the terminal and could attest to this.

but i agree that an airport authority should be operating the airport...and to stop constructing more international airports in mindanao...2 or 3 should be enough.
i hope in the future the writers should be careful in what they write for it may be damaging