Algeria chooses Canadian firm to manage construction of world's third-largest mosque

05/04/2007
The Algerian Ministry of Religious Affairs confirmed its decision Wednesday (April 4th) of Quebec-based engineering and construction company Dessau-Soprin to oversee the construction of Algeria's new Grand Mosque, which will be the third largest mosque in the world after Mecca in Saudi Arabia and Hassan II in Morocco. The mosque, to be located on the Bay of Algiers, will accommodate up to 120,000 worshippers and will have the largest minaret tower in the world at 300 metres. The mosque will also have several cultural and religious structures, a conference room, a Qur'an house, a centre for cultural sciences, three libraries and media centres, an amphitheatre, a laboratory, a 300-room hotel, a shopping centre, restaurants, green spaces and a recreation park. The initial investment is planned at $2.2 billion but according to some estimates the project's cost may surpass $9 billion. Dessau-Soprin will receive $22m for its services. Completion of the project is expected in 76 months.

Good news...:)..do you have some render photos for this one......how would it look....??? :cheers:

http://www.algerie-monde.com/projets-algerie/projet-construction-de-la-grande-mosquee-d-alger.html

Good news...:)..do you have some render photos for this one......how would it look....??? :cheers:

^^ nice!! the tower reminds me of Ryugyong Hotel..

Only 215m, wrong section. :goodbye:

"at 300 metres", and that's that?

Sorry I skipped that but the article in French says 215m.

Isn't the mosque in madinah the second largest?

minaret will reach 300 metres

MONTREAL - Quebec-based engineering and construction company Dessau-Soprin has signed a $22-million deal to become project manager for the construction of the world's third-largest mosque in Algeria.

The contract, which was disclosed last summer by various media reports in the north African country, was formally signed last week.

The country has been buzzing with construction activity in recent years as the rising price of oil has given it the means to complete road, water, rail and energy infrastructure projects.


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Font: ****World oil prices have more than doubled in the four years since Dessau-Soprin established a permanent office employing 150 in the capital Algiers.

"We were there at the right time," president and CEO Jean-Pierre Sauriol said of the company's latest contract, which he described as one of the largest in its history. They have a deficit of infrastructure for the last 10 years, but now ... they are investing a lot, to attract other investment eventually."

The privately held Quebec company will hire architects, specialized managers and technical experts as it becomes project manager during the 76-month construction period.

The contract is expected to create at least 100 jobs, mostly in Algeria.

The big challenge facing the company is to meet the needs of the 25 Algerian groups and government agencies that will be involved in the large project, Sauriol said.

The new $3.4-billion mosque to be built in the bay of Algiers, or the Mohammadia commune, will be the world's third largest after Mecca in Saudi Arabia and Hassan II in Morroco.

It will have the capacity to hold up to 120,000 worshippers and have the largest minaret tower in the world at 300 metres.

The addition of several cultural and religious structures, a Qur'an house, three libraries, amphitheatre, laboratory, 300-room hotel, shopping centre, restaurants and park will boost the project's value to more than $9.3 billion.

Sauriol said at least one Quebec architecture firm is believed to be interested in joining an international bidding contest to design the holy site.

Following three years of effort, Dessau-Soprin beat four competitors, including Quebec-based Axor-Inv and Genivar Income Fund (TSX:GNV.UN), and Gemo of France.

More Quebec firms are becoming involved in Algeria because they speak French, Sauriol said. Dessau-Soprin employs 2,600 people Quebec, Ontario, New Brunswick, South America and the Caribbean.

Algeria chooses Canadian firm to manage construction of world's third-largest mosque

05/04/2007
The Algerian Ministry of Religious Affairs confirmed its decision Wednesday (April 4th) of Quebec-based engineering and construction company Dessau-Soprin to oversee the construction of Algeria's new Grand Mosque, which will be the third largest mosque in the world after Mecca in Saudi Arabia and Hassan II in Morocco. The mosque, to be located on the Bay of Algiers, will accommodate up to 120,000 worshippers and will have the largest minaret tower in the world at 300 metres. The mosque will also have several cultural and religious structures, a conference room, a Qur'an house, a centre for cultural sciences, three libraries and media centres, an amphitheatre, a laboratory, a 300-room hotel, a shopping centre, restaurants, green spaces and a recreation park. The initial investment is planned at $2.2 billion but according to some estimates the project's cost may surpass $9 billion. Dessau-Soprin will receive $22m for its services. Completion of the project is expected in 76 months.

Good news, any photo this project or architect design model?.

Thanks

hmmmmm i think it is a poor attempt for a nice mosque to reach supertall status.... Nice building but they should not even try to gain supertall status becasue iff you want a supertall mosque, then design it especialy for it....

I don't like it at all, it looks like a big couscous/Tajine dish !

The mosque in Casablanca looks much better

i think the minaret looks unique.

but i don't know if i like it or not :?

Sorry I skipped that but the article in French says 215m.

No it doesn't exactly say that, it says that the minaret will raise 215m above the praying room but does not precise how high is that room.

Le minaret sera accessible par un ascenseur qui, en une minute, pourra parcourir, face à la baie d'Alger, les 215 mètres qui séparent la grande salle de prières du haut du minaret.

Isn't the mosque in madinah the second largest?

yes

renders?

The render looks like it's 30m apparently.

^^ nice!! the tower reminds me of Ryugyong Hotel..

Me 2.... To be frank it doesnt look that Islamic to me. It lacks the Islamic tastes of Makkah and Casablanca mosques. Also 215 meters for a minaret is unnessessarily high.

really nice hotel

YUP VERY NICE, I LOVE IT

I thought Islam forbids building large and expensive mosques. I'm sure there is a hadis about this but I can't find it now...

Besides, it looks really ugly. :ohno:

The render looks like it's 30m apparently.

yeah it looks like <100m

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4462/sanstitrehtrrtyty9.png

^^^ Have to agree that it does not look like a mosque. More like a futuristic office complex.

all becomes more modern, also Mosques :lol:

all becomes more modern, also Mosques :lol:
:lol:

But yeah, everything is now getting modern

I don't have anything against a country wanting to build a beautiful building, even if it is not a rich country. But there are many mosques more beautiful than this one, which have been built for a lot less. I don't think this design justifies the expense.

as i see some poeple dont like the idea that algiers mosque will be the tallest in the world but it will be even though some off you dont like it

Huge stuff

its not a skyscraper

its not a skyscraperErr, it's a 300m hotel and mosque.

dont like it

it huge complex with mosque and islamic universite and hotels mall etc... final cost 3.5 billions $
the first pic i posted is not final 30 architect design are under consideration they will chosse one month of ramdan wich soon after the summer
after that they chose wich company (construction ) do it
my guess the chinesse
but canadian company (snc -lavallin ) will supervise the project

the big mosque will stand here

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/stniemin/pics/alger05/IMG_2060_view%20from%20balcony.JPG

Hotel+mosquee... why not, but anyway this one will be the tallest building of Africa. Congrats

yeah it will be the tallest minaret in the world
it might be as well tallest construction in africa
in the original project poeple may access to the top
with elevator ,but final decision will be made in few month
another picture off site

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/6909/040428jp536bzc7.jpg

algiers picture

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=481238

Hotel+mosquee... why not, but anyway this one will be the tallest building of Africa. Congrats

Hopefully another design would get approved. The idea is superb but this design I see is ultra *****

I AGREE WITH YOU PERSONALY I DONT LIKE THE FIRST DESIGN
ACTUALLY THEY AROUND 30 DESIGN IN COMPETITION IT WILL BE CHOSEN THE MONTH OFF RAMADAN (FEW MONTHS )

Hopefully another design would get approved. The idea is superb but this design I see is ultra *****

Surprisingly wide for a mosque. Almost looks like a certain mormon church in Utah, USA.

Algeria-Iran-Mosque

Algerian Minister of Religious Affairs and Endowments, Bouabdellah Ghlamallah here on Saturday called for participation of Iranian companies in construction of the Algiers Grand Mosque.

In a meeting with Iran's Ambassador to Algeria, Hossein Abdi Abyaneh, he stressed the mosque will be the largest in Africa and the third biggest in the world.

The mosque to be constructed at the cost of dlrs 3.4 billion, will accommodate some 120,000 prayers.

The Algerian minister further voiced his country's readiness to bolster all-out ties with the Islamic Republic.

For his part, the Iranian envoy announced readiness of Iranian companies for active participation in construction operation of the Algiers Grand Mosque.

He further voiced Iran's readiness to admit Algerian students at its faculty of "proximity of religions" adding that teachings and principles of the Sunni sect are taught by Sunni ulema at this center.

The Iranian ambassador further invited the Algerian minister to visit Iran, particularly the holy city of Mashhad in the near future to become familiar with the Islamic architecture. The invitation was warmly accepted by Ghlamallah.

There are 15,000 mosques throughout Algeria which accommodate over 14 million prayers.

Not bad.

he realization of the Large-Mosque of Algiers enters its active phase. Thus the opening of the folds for the architectural study of this mosque intended to be the third large mosque for the world after those of the Holy Places in Saudi Arabia, is scheduled for next September. Fifty requests emanating for architectural engineering and design departments of fame, distributed through the five continents (Lebanon, Egypt, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, China, Germany, Italy, Japan, Belgium, Canada, Spain, South Korea, France, Portugal, England) answered the international invitation to tender launched by Algiers. On which criteria will be made the selection of the engineering and design departments? "It is a question of answering a certain number of conditions and requirements", notes a source close to the file before enumerating them: "the first criterion concerns the workers of the engineering and design department which must be imperatively of a high row; the second criterion milked with the capital and with the guarantees that the engineering and design department in question and third place offers, it will be a question for the engineering and design departments of having experience in the field, which wants to say that they already realized in the past of the similar projects to that which one will subject to them." Another criterion will be also taken into account in this selection: "We will give to these engineering and design departments general orientations on what we wish to do and we will ask them to make us a proposal for an architectural study. And it will be the best study which will be retained." On this subject, it should be known that the large mosque of Algiers will symbolize the time post-independence: "We have mosques which symbolize all the times possible and conceivable, but we do not have no which evokes the period of the post-war period, the large mosque of Algiers will be thus this mosque which will refer to after-independence." Once this stage of the completed architectural study, it will be a question of launching an international invitation to tender of realization. This last will take place, says us one, at the end of 2007 or, at the latest, in at the beginning of 2008. Currently, work for the realization of the large mosque of Algiers is at the stage of expropriation. In other words, it acts of the evacuation of the places (Mohammadia) intended to shelter this mosque of its inhabitants after their compensation. The assistance with the control of work was entrusted to a engineering and design department Canadian Dessau Soprin. The study of the ground, just like the seismic and topographic study, was already carried out, explains us one.

I do'nt like this project, for me It's not a mosque, It's a building.
This is mosque :
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=123233
like this or I prefer the Casablanca Mosque

The initial investment is planned at $2.2 billion but according to some estimates the project's cost may surpass $9 billion. Dessau-Soprin will receive $22m for its services. Completion of the project is expected in 76 months.

Are you fregen kidding me?! :gaah: US$ 9 billion dollars to build a mosque?!

Good god!!! What a waste of money.... They better off building universities and homes for the people living in poverty in that country... :weird:

Yet another shining example of why the world would be such a better place if there were no religion.

I thought Islam forbids building large and expensive mosques. I'm sure there is a hadis about this but I can't find it now...

Besides, it looks really ugly. :ohno:

This project represent EVERYTHING that ISLAM forbids... Just insane amount of money spent on a mosque when Muslims world wide are much worthy of that money and in need of it, especially those living in poverty in Algeria.....

It's absolutely a stupid project! I'm completely disgusted with the news of this project.

This project represents EVERYTHING that is wrong with the Muslim nation... they haven't a clue of what is their priorities..

Me 2.... To be frank it doesnt look that Islamic to me. It lacks the Islamic tastes of Makkah and Casablanca mosques. Also 215 meters for a minaret is unnessessarily high.

yeah, i also think it lacks some islamic elements and yeah, the minerats are unnessessarily high, nobody on the ground will be able to hear the muezzin! :D

is it going to be the tallest structure in africa?

new mosque design
http://a8.img.v4.skyrock.com/a89/fyollande/pics/1256372860.jpg


algeria 120 bilions $ project link
subway,traway,hotels, highway,housing etc....

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=495055

What's the tall thing on the left? I'm assuming the mosque is the building with the domed roof, not the skyscraper-in-a-fishnet.

Are you fregen kidding me?! :gaah: US$ 9 billion dollars to build a mosque?!

Good god!!! What a waste of money.... They better off building universities and homes for the people living in poverty in that country... :weird:

For anyone who knows the cost of construction will know that such project would never cost $9 billion. Even Burj Dubai costs only $800 million. This figure of $9 billion is either mis-quoted or the project of the mosque is just a smoke screen to rob the Algerian people of the hard earned oil revenue by some of the corrupt government senior officials.

However,one fact is that none of the two designs would cost more than half a million dollars,unless they intend to fit the interiors in 24 carat gold.

It is really a shame that such an amount would be wasted for a country were the majority of the people are living under the pauverty line.

is it going to be the tallest structure in africa?

no...there are a few wired-masts which are taller

i think they choose this design for algiers mosque


http://www.monsterup.com/upload/1193327433.jpg

now we are talking!
I really like this design; big improvement!

please build it :cheers:

Very nice!!!!!

i think they choose this design for algiers mosque


http://www.monsterup.com/upload/1193327433.jpg

great design!

yes, looks great. but looks more like a skyscraper than a Mosque

i think the other one is the mosque ^^

mosquescraper :lol:
well...definitely original IMO.

yes, big improvement, but the figures sound fishy

Much better.

Flou autour du projet de la grande mosquée d'Alger
par B. Mokhtaria

Un grand flou entoure le projet de la Grande mosquée d'Alger. Alors que tout le monde attend que le nom du bureau d'études lauréat du concours d'architecture, dont l'ouverture des plis financiers s'est déroulée mercredi dernier, soit dévoilé, rien n'est annoncé. Et pour cause, jusqu'à présent, rien n'a été tranché.

La situation est qualifiée par certaines sources, proches du dossier, de «crise» qui a été à l'origine du blocage de ce projet de grande envergure, puisqu'il s'agit de la construction du troisième plus vaste lieu de culte musulman après les deux Lieux Saints (El-Haramayne) de la Mecque et de Médine.

La commission chargée de la réalisation de ce projet a accompli sa mission en sélectionnant cinq bureaux d'études étrangers sur les 17 bureaux qui ont soumissionné à ce concours. C'est le président de la République qui devait annoncer le nom du lauréat. Or, depuis mercredi dernier, rien n'a filtré sur ce dossier. Concernant les bureaux d'études, il s'agit du français «A.S.architecture Studio», le franco-anglais «ATS/ATKINS», le germano-tunisien «kiefef Ste Krebs Und», l'allemand «IPRO Plan» et l'iranien «Genidar SARL».

Les bureaux d'études nationaux ont été écartés de ce concours car, ne répondant pas aux critères fixés et notamment la condition de taille qui impose la réalisation de 8 milliards de centimes de chiffre d'affaires. «Un montant qui n'est pas une condition rédhibitoire», avait tenu à préciser le directeur général de l'agence, M. Allaoui

Selon nos sources, deux scénarios se présentent actuellement pour débloquer la situation après le mécontentement du chef de l'Etat et ses critiques sur les projets présentés.

Le premier consiste à refaire tout le travail accompli, le lancement d'un autre avis d'appel d'offre et le choix d'autres soumissionnaires. C'est le retour à la case de départ.

Selon nos sources, cette opération prendrait 90 jours pour être finalisée. L'autre option serait de négocier avec l'un des bureaux d'études sur le contenu du projet et les possibilités de procéder à des modifications pour lever les réserves faites par le président de la République et les spécialistes dans le domaine.

Cette dernière proposition risque d'être écartée puisque l'opération a été soumise à un cahier des charges et c'est sur la base de ce document que les décisions seront prises.

Traditionnalistes et modernistes s’opposent
Le rapport final du concours international d’architecture qui doit attribuer l’étude et le suivi du projet de la grande mosquée d’Alger n’a pas pu être transmis à la présidence de la République à la fin de la semaine dernière.

Un très sérieux contretemps menace les orientations du jury. En effet, l’assistant du maître d’ouvrage, le canadien Dessau-Sauprin, sélectionné pour suivre la procédure d’organisation du concours, a différé sa contresignature sur le rapport. Le bureau d’études canadien veut s’assurer de la conformité du rapport avec le code des marchés publics. « En langage diplomatique, cela signifie que le rapport n’est pas conforme à la législation. Il faut savoir que le chef de projet pour Dessau-Sauprin pour le suivi de la grande mosquée d’Alger est Serge Vezina, connu pour avoir dirigé l’étude du monument des martyrs, Riadh El Feth. Il a une réputation de rigueur et n’avalise pas n’importe quoi », explique un architecte proche du concours. La controverse viendrait du fait que le classement proposé par le jury n’agrée pas le ministère des Affaires religieuses qui penche ouvertement en faveur d’un ouvrage traditionaliste qui souligne « l’identité culturelle et architecturale algérienne ». Or, parmi les trois projets retenus dans la short liste de cinq, celui qui se rapproche de la vision des fonctionnaires du ministère des Affaires religieuses, appuyé par le ministre Bouabdellah Ghlamallah, n’a obtenu que le troisième rang, notamment à cause de sa « relative convenance conceptuelle » et de son coût plus élevé. La pression de la tutelle se serait - rapporte une source sûre - exercée de plusieurs manières, notamment en demandant un audit technique avec l’arrière-pensée de faire éliminer les deux projets high tech de Architecture Studio (France) et de Atkins-ATSP (Grande-Bretagne, France, Algérie), en les faisant butter sur le test de constructibilité. L’audit aurait finalement conforté ces deux projets dans leur faisabilité, tant et si bien que le lobbying du ministère des Affaires religieuses, au profit du projet le plus classique, est devenu trop pressant pour ne pas faire dérailler la procédure de sa feuille de route juridique.

Cafouillage

C’est l’agence germano-tunisienne Kreber-Kiefef qui a signé le projet « style mosquée de Casablanca » qui semble emporter les faveurs de Ghlamallah, au point de provoquer « une manipulation du rapport final au détriment des deux projets classés avant lui par le jury ». Kreber-Kiefef présente toutes les garanties financières même si sa signature n’est pas aussi prestigieuse que celle du bureau parisien Architecture Studio (AS) ou du n° 1 mondial de l’engineering, Atkins partenaire avec ATSP de l’autre projet favori pour la grande mosquée d’Alger. Kreber-Kiefef est surtout connu en Algérie pour avoir signé l’étude du centre ultramoderne de criminologie de la Gendarmerie nationale à Bouchaoui, attribué de gré à gré à Brown Rooth and Condor (BRC), la joint venture en cours de dissolution de Sonatrach et KBR, après la révélation d’un immense scandale sur la surfacturation de ses prestations. Pour rappel, des trois dernières agences qui se disputent le concours d’architecture de la grande mosquée d’Alger, Kreber-Kiefef a présenté l’offre financière la plus coûteuse. Le directeur général de l’agence nationale en charge de l’ouvrage, Mohamed Alloui, a démenti de son côté que le jury ait pu exprimé une préférence à ce stade de ses travaux. « Nous avons opté pour une procédure d’évaluation des projets au standard mondial. Cela implique énormément de paramètres qu’il faut étudier convenablement. Le jury est composé de personnalités compétentes qui travaillent d’arrache-pied et en toute autonomie. Le président de la République vient d’ailleurs de renouveler sa totale confiance dans les délibérations du jury. » L’architecte algérien Halim Faïdi, qui a assuré avec son agence parisienne une mission complète sur le nouveau ministère des Affaires étrangères (plateau des Annassers), a saisi l’occasion de ce cafouillage pour rappeler sa position au sujet de ce concours international. « Il devrait être annulé et les concurrents dédommagés. La procédure est viciée. Le cahier des charges ne définit par les programmes et les surfaces. Les offres financières ne sont pas comparables. C’est ce qui explique pourquoi nous avons eu seulement dix-sept souscriptions dans un concours de taille mondiale. Il manque les grandes signatures internationales dans ce domaine. Pour un projet transcendant qui va configurer la baie d’Alger ce n’est pas normal. » Pour d’autres architectes proches du concours, la sortie au grand jour d’un parti pris « conservateur » dans ce concours annonce « la politisation des arbitrages ». L’identité française de Architecture Studio, noté légèrement devant Atkins-ATSP, pourrait devenir « un enjeu masqué » à quelques semaines de la visite d’Etat de Nicolas Sarkozy en Algérie. Le président Bouteflika a également la possibilité de faire valoir la présence prédominante d’architectes algériens dans le projet Atkins-ATSP, pour échapper au grand écart géopolitique.

El Kadi Ihsane

the rectangular minaret looks like something from a Christian church and is so dated...they better stick to the more futuristic looking one (in the scale model)

Actualité (Mardi 20 Novembre 2007)


Selon Ghoulamallah
Le projet de la Grande-Mosquée maintenu


Pour le ministre des Affaires religieuses et des Waqfs, “il n’y a que ceux qui espèrent le gel du projet qui parlent de cette éventualité”.

Le ministre des Affaires religieuses et des Waqfs, M. Bouabdallah Ghoulamallah a démenti, hier, tout “prétendu gel” du processus d’attribution du marché relatif à l’étude architecturale de la nouvelle grande mosquée d’Alger. “C’est un projet important. On ne peut pas se permettre de dire de telles choses (rumeur de gel du projet, ndlr). Le processus se poursuit normalement et il n’y a aucune entrave au travail du jury”, a-t-il insisté, hier, en marge des journées d’information au profit des hadji organisées par la Direction des affaires religieuses de la wilaya d’Alger à l’institut Dar El-Imam de Mohammadia.
Pour le ministre, “il n’y a que ceux qui espèrent le gel du projet qui parlent de cette éventualité”. Le ministre a donc tenté de rassurer à propos de ce projet immense, mais qui ne cesse de faire l’objet de polémiques ces dernières semaines à propos de l’attribution du marché relatif à l’étude architecturale du projet. L’émergence de rumeurs autour de ce marché, ainsi que sur le travail de la commission d’évaluation des offres des postulants, démontre on ne peut mieux qu’une guerre souterraine a éclaté entre les intérêts représentant l’un ou l’autre prétendants à ces marchés colossaux, pas seulement sur le plan financier, mais surtout en termes de prestige. Le ministre n’a, d’ailleurs, pas manqué de répliquer à ce qu’il appelle “les allégations” faisant état de la non-fiabilité du terrain devant abriter la mosquée et qu’il a qualifié d’“infondées”, ajoutant que “des experts ont attesté de la fiabilité du terrain à supporter un projet d'une telle envergure”.
En l’absence d’informations sur les résultats des délibérations de la commission en question, c’est bien évidemment la rumeur qui prend le relais, ce qui est, somme toute, nuisible à ce projet grandiose de l’Algérie contemporaine. La rumeur n’a, d’ailleurs, pas lâché le projet depuis les premiers appels d’offres liés à la sélection du bureau chargé de l’assistance à la maîtrise d’ouvrage. Et la désignation du canadien Dessau-Soprin, de réputation internationale, à l’issue de l’opération d’évaluation des offres n’avait pas mis fin à cette suspicion qui semble s’être installée durablement. Et, naturellement, ce n’est qu’à travers les colonnes de la presse que cette guerre sourde se manifeste.
Si l’opération de présélection des groupements de sociétés (5 sur 17) s’est déroulée le mois dernier sans grand fracas, l’évaluation finale et la désignation du bureau d’études qui aura le privilège de préparer les planches architecturales et d’assister le ou les sociétés réalisatrices sont accompagnées d’une tension qui dit long sur la compétition féroce que se livrent les différents prétendants. L’on tire donc les ficelles de tous les côtés pour tenter de jeter le discrédit autour de ce projet et de la commission qui planchent sur la difficile mission de choisir un cabinet capable d’accompagner le constructeur. Ce n’est, certes, pas chose simple car au-delà des caractéristiques, des atouts et de l’esthétique des différents plans présentés, il s’agit aussi de savoir dans quelle mesure ils sont réalisables sur le terrain.
La première évaluation de la commission avait, donc, permis de présélectionner 5 entreprises ou groupements parmi les 17 postulants pour la réalisation des études architecturales. L’annonce avait été faite le 24 octobre dernier à Mohammadia. Le franco-algéro-britannique Atsp/Atkins, le germano-tunisien Krebs Kiefef, l’allemand Ipro Plan, l’iranien Asak Genidar et le français Architecture Studio (AS) sont les cinq cabinets qui avaient été retenus. Le travail de la commission s’est poursuivi, depuis, aboutissant à l’élimination de la course des cabinets Génidar, dont l’offre est la moins-disant, et Ipro Plan, dont l’offre est considérée comme trop exagérée. Mais, officiellement rien n’a été annoncé. On sait juste que la commission d’évaluation a demandé un audit technique sur la constructibilité aux trois bureaux qui figurent désormais sur la liste restreinte des présélectionnés, en attendant la décision finale qui, normalement, ne devrait pas tarder à intervenir.
Mais en attendant, et en l’absence d’information officielle sur le sujet, c’est la porte ouverte à toutes les rumeurs. Et pourtant, on n’en est, dans ce projet, qu’à la veillée d’armes car la grande bataille, celle liée à la sélection des entreprises de réalisation n’a pas encore commencé, du moins officiellement. Il faut, en effet, s’attendre à ce que cette nouvelle course, qui pointe déjà à l’horizon, donne lieu à des pratiques pas du tout catholiques, dans le but de contribuer à l’élimination de l’un ou l’autre concurrent. Le fonds, plus d’un milliard de dollars, en vaut la chandelle et fait, apparemment, saliver plus d’un.

Hamid Saïdani

^^, can anyone translate?

The render above looks like the Hassan II mosque in Casa Blanca.

^^, can anyone translate?

To make a long story short, this project has been submitted for the selection of the consultant/architect through a tender. 17 consulting firms have applied, the following 5 firms were shortlisted:

French-Algerian-British: Atsp/Atkins,
German-Tunisian: Krebs Kiefef,
German: Ipro Plan,
Iranian: Asak Genidar, and
Freanch: Architecture Studio (AS)

The deadline for the selection of the consultant passed and rumors started that claim the project was cancelled.

In the above press news, the minister of relegious affairs is claiming that the project is much alive and that the comission that studies the proposals did not yet give the report to the prsident for final approval.

All of this means that the renderings we have seen so far are only proposals and that the design which would be approved is still todate unknown. There are five proposals that have been so far short-listed.

For anyone who knows the cost of construction will know that such project would never cost $9 billion. Even Burj Dubai costs only $800 million. This figure of $9 billion is either mis-quoted or the project of the mosque is just a smoke screen to rob the Algerian people of the hard earned oil revenue by some of the corrupt government senior officials.

However,one fact is that none of the two designs would cost more than half a million dollars,unless they intend to fit the interiors in 24 carat gold.

It is really a shame that such an amount would be wasted for a country were the majority of the people are living under the pauverty line.

I disagree with you....

For a project this size, half a million dollars wont cover the cost of printing the drawings alone - let alone the architect firm fees... When we worked on Dubai Festival City - costs of printing drawings alone topped $400,000 dollars by 3rd year - it took 5 years to completely design phase 8 - at that point, no one wanted to know the cost of printing.

Phase 8 - based on images on this thread - was smaller then the size of this project in both the model and the new rendering images.

So i doubt Half a million would even pay for the digging process before foundation is laid.

Once again, this is by far a completely waste of time and money.

People living in poverty in that country are far more worthy of billions of dollars then a mosque.

Maybe, and just maybe, the minister of religious affairs can get a clue and commission a study to help feed the people living in poverty, first, before they build us another sectarian mosque which more then likely going to represent a certain sects in ISLAM and not ISLAM itself - just as the case with most of these fancy-looking-mega mosques that serve no purposes in the community other then divide Muslims.

poeple living in poverty ??????
what do mean poeple every where are living in the luxury
algeria has more than mosque project
for it seem s that you dont want algeria to have the tallest mosque in the world
algiers has other project like dounya park bigest park in the world
:nuts::nuts:
i ll keep inform about project asap
5 group final competing


I disagree with you....

For a project this size, half a million dollars wont cover the cost of printing the drawings alone - let alone the architect firm fees... When we worked on Dubai Festival City - costs of printing drawings alone topped $400,000 dollars by 3rd year - it took 5 years to completely design phase 8 - at that point, no one wanted to know the cost of printing.

Phase 8 - based on images on this thread - was smaller then the size of this project in both the model and the new rendering images.

So i doubt Half a million would even pay for the digging process before foundation is laid.

Once again, this is by far a completely waste of time and money.

People living in poverty in that country are far more worthy of billions of dollars then a mosque.

Maybe, and just maybe, the minister of religious affairs can get a clue and commission a study to help feed the people living in poverty, first, before they build us another sectarian mosque which more then likely going to represent a certain sects in ISLAM and not ISLAM itself - just as the case with most of these fancy-looking-mega mosques that serve no purposes in the community other then divide Muslims.

I disagree with you....

For a project this size, half a million dollars wont cover the cost of printing the drawings alone - let alone the architect firm fees... When we worked on Dubai Festival City - costs of printing drawings alone topped $400,000 dollars by 3rd year - it took 5 years to completely design phase 8 - at that point, no one wanted to know the cost of printing.

Phase 8 - based on images on this thread - was smaller then the size of this project in both the model and the new rendering images.

So i doubt Half a million would even pay for the digging process before foundation is laid.

Once again, this is by far a completely waste of time and money.

People living in poverty in that country are far more worthy of billions of dollars then a mosque.

Maybe, and just maybe, the minister of religious affairs can get a clue and commission a study to help feed the people living in poverty, first, before they build us another sectarian mosque which more then likely going to represent a certain sects in ISLAM and not ISLAM itself - just as the case with most of these fancy-looking-mega mosques that serve no purposes in the community other then divide Muslims.

half a million was a typo. I was talking about the 9 billions and what I meant is half a billion not half a milion.

poeple living in poverty ??????
what do mean poeple every where are living in the luxury
algeria has more than mosque project
for it seem s that you dont want algeria to have the tallest mosque in the world
algiers has other project like dounya park bigest park in the world
:nuts::nuts:
i ll keep inform about project asap
5 group final competing



dounya park bigest park in the world??? :lol:
Bigest park in algiers per haps, not in the world. So don't say stupidies.

algiers by the way has already the fourth botanique park
called jardin essai
you know nothing about algeria
i dont say stupid things that poeple in 2007 net world
will figure out that i am lying
put news on algeria and put algerian flag
my profile and participate in the forum
so poeple will know algeria
i know lot poeple dont know algeria
read about country like it but i dont dare
insulting or be mean to other poeple
bigest thing in the worl not the monopole off chine ,usa or france russia or emirates
every country has ambitions :cheers:


dounya park bigest park in the world??? :lol:
Bigest park in algiers per haps, not in the world. So don't say stupidies.

dounya park bigest park in the world??? :lol:
Bigest park in algiers per haps, not in the world. So don't say stupidies.

When someone claims something, be professional and check if the claim is true or not, just do a small internet search and that shows you the size of Dounya Park, or the least ask for details. Unprovoked insults only prove your ignorance do not serve anyone who follows discussion on this forum and just cast a shadow on the person behind them.

When Dubai announced Burj Dubai, there were plenty of insults from ignorants who later had to shut up their mouths for ever as they only discredited themselves.

algiers by the way has already the fourth botanique park
called jardin essai
you know nothing about algeria
i dont say stupid things that poeple in 2007 net world
will figure out that i am lying
put news on algeria and put algerian flag
my profile and participate in the forum
so poeple will know algeria
i know lot poeple dont know algeria
read about country like it but i dont dare
insulting or be mean to other poeple
bigest thing in the worl not the monopole off chine ,usa or france russia or emirates
every country has ambitions :cheers:

Thanks Icosium for all the hard work you do to keep us informed on the mega projects in Algeria and the pictures of them you publish in this forum.

last update chose for big mosque ( after week end
post more detail )

German-Tunisian: Krebs Kiefef

ps: ill open in africa forum project dounya park
(bigest in the world located in algiers suburb
as soon find news picture etc

good saying in 2007
we have internet
i wont dare post something fictif
about algeria

When someone claims something, be professional and check if the claim is true or not, just do a small internet search and that shows you the size of Dounya Park, or the least ask for details. Unprovoked insults only prove your ignorance do not serve anyone who follows discussion on this forum and just cast a shadow on the person behind them.

When Dubai announced Burj Dubai, there were plenty of insults from ignorants who later had to shut up their mouths for ever as they only discredited themselves.

Grande mosquée d'Alger Le lauréat connu mercredi prochain
par B. Mokhtaria

Après toute la polémique qu'a suscitée le projet, la grande mosquée d'Alger voit le bout du tunnel. La cérémonie pour l'annonce du lauréat du concours d'architecture dont l'ouverture des plis techniques s'est déroulée le 18 septembre dernier est prévue ce mercredi 28 novembre au cercle militaire de l'ANP à Beni Messous.

Une première date avait été arrêtée pour le 27 du mois de Ramadhan à l'occasion de la célébration de «Leïlat El-Kadr» pour donner le nom du lauréat. Mais à cause de réserves émises par le chef de l'Etat sur le projet et son mécontentement du travail présenté, cette date a été reportée au 23 octobre dernier puis au 24 du même mois.

Depuis, aucune explication n'a été donnée de source officielle sur le retard dans l'annonce du nom du lauréat et les spéculations sur le sujet ont fait bon chemin jusqu'à hier où la commission nationale de réalisation et de gestion de ce méga-projet a adressé une invitation pour la participation à cette rencontre qui se tiendra, cette fois-ci, en présence du président de la République. Le chef de l'Etat va honorer le bureau d'étude classé premier ainsi que quatre autres bureaux d'étude sélectionnés dans ce concours et ayant présenté les meilleures offres. Selon des sources bien informées, le lauréat à ce concours serait le bureau d'étude germano-tunisien «Kiefef Ste Krebs Und» suivi des autres bureaux, le français «A.S. Architecture Studio», le franco-anglais «ATS/ATKINS», l'allemand «IPRO Plan» et l'iranien «Genidar SARL».

Cette mosquée est conçue pour être la plus grande mosquée dans le monde arabo-musulman après les deux mosquées des Lieux saints. S'étalant sur une superficie de 20 ha sur le territoire de la commune de Mohammadia à Alger, l'enceinte devra regrouper plusieurs infrastructures dont une salle de prière pouvant contenir jusqu'à 120.000 fidèles, d'un minaret d'une hauteur de 300 m, d'un institut supérieur de l'enseignement religieux, d'une bibliothèque, d'un centre culturel, d'un centre d'affaires, d'un centre de santé, d'un bâtiment administratif, de logements et d'espaces verts. La mise en fonction de toutes ses structures permettra la création de 2.800 postes d'emploi permanents.

last up date picture of mosque
personally i dont this design
it will be officiel any ways wendnesday (acording news paper algerie )

ps: mister BLEDI that good you particpate in the
forum but try to put the news in english (translate with google)
and put articles no to long too thanks

http://www.monsterup.com/upload/1195983231.jpg

Grande mosquée d'Alger Le lauréat connu mercredi prochain
par B. Mokhtaria
.

Translation of the above article:

After all the controversy caused by the project, the Great Mosque of Algiers sees the end of the tunnel. The ceremony to announce the winner of the architectural competition with the opening of proposals that took place on Sept. 18 is scheduled for this Wednesday, November 28 in military circle of Beni Messous.

A first date was proposed for the 27th of Ramadhan on the occasion of the celebration of "Leïlat El-Kadr" to give the name of the winner. But because of reservations expressed by the Head of State on the project and his dissatisfaction of the proposals presented, the date was postponed to October 23 and then to 24 the same month.

Since then, no explanation was given by official sources on the delay in announcing the name of the winner and speculation on the subject were numerous until yesterday when the National Commission for implementation and management of this mega-project has extended an invitation for participation in this meeting to be held, this time in the presence of President of the Republic. The Head of State will honor the consultancy firm ranked first and the four other design firms short-listed in the contest and have submitted the best offers. According to well-informed sources, the winner in this contest would be the German-design "Kiefef Ste Krebs' Und" followed by other firms, the French "AS Architecture Studio"," - French-British "ATS / ATKINS ", the German "IPRO Plan" and the Iranian "Genidar SARL."

This mosque is designed to be the largest mosque in the Arab and Muslim world after the two Holy mosques. Spread over an area of 20 hectares on the territory of the commune of Mohammadia in Algiers, the structure will consist of several facilities including a prayer room that can hold up to 120,000 faithful, a minaret of a height of 300 m, an institute of religious education, a library, a cultural center, a business center, a health center, an administrative building, housing and landscape. This project will create 2,800 permanent jobs.

The future Mosque of Algiers will cost 50 billion DA (500 million Euros)


The Minister of Religious Affairs and Waqf Bouabdallah Ghlamalah said yesterday that an investment of 50 billion DA, or 500 million Euros, will be allowed for the creation of the Great Mosque of Algiers. Speaking at the press conference organized by the Ministry of Communication at the CIP, the minister was keen to point out that what matters is not so much money to be disbursed but the nature of the project which will remain, he says an achievement for future generations. "The mosque will be a true monument to all of Algeria" said Ghlamalah indicating that this high place of worship will be distinguished by its minaret which will be built on several floors. He explained that each floor will be a museum that will trace the different stages in the history of Algeria…

As translated from:

http://www.lequotidien-oran.com/index.php?news=509043

This cost is more realistic than the $9 billion given before.

http://www.coloco.org/fichiers/_territoires-actuels_11236_MSQatspColoco.jpg
http://www.coloco.org/fichiers/_news_53098_MOSQUEE.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8571/grandemosquealgervg6.jpg
http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/1765/0acomgmdakv6.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2959/0acomgmdasga9.jpg
http://www.alger-city.com/projets-de-la-ville/projet-mosquee-alger.jpg

^^nice proposals. they should choose the design on the second photo :okay:

^^I also love the 1st design but I dont think it appropriately reflects Islamic custom and tradition. That said, there is nothing wrong with modernizing the Islamic image.

I think the second design is the most appropriate here :)

yes, the first proposal is also my favourite, though the others are not bad

They should have invested into industry and education instead.

I disagree with you....

For a project this size, half a million dollars wont cover the cost of printing the drawings alone - let alone the architect firm fees... When we worked on Dubai Festival City - costs of printing drawings alone topped $400,000 dollars by 3rd year - it took 5 years to completely design phase 8 - at that point, no one wanted to know the cost of printing.

Phase 8 - based on images on this thread - was smaller then the size of this project in both the model and the new rendering images.

So i doubt Half a million would even pay for the digging process before foundation is laid.

Once again, this is by far a completely waste of time and money.

People living in poverty in that country are far more worthy of billions of dollars then a mosque.

Maybe, and just maybe, the minister of religious affairs can get a clue and commission a study to help feed the people living in poverty, first, before they build us another sectarian mosque which more then likely going to represent a certain sects in ISLAM and not ISLAM itself - just as the case with most of these fancy-looking-mega mosques that serve no purposes in the community other then divide Muslims.

You worked on the Dubai Festival City proyect?? Isn't that where an InterContinental is built at?? am I correct or no?

Voici quelques images du projet de la grande mosquée d'Alger tel qu'il a été imaginé par le bureau d'architecture allemand KSP Engel Und Zimmermann

http://www.ksp-architekten.de/index.php?id=56&catid=34&proid=245&L=1

C'est bien sûr un premier croquis, il faudra attendre quelques mois pour voir la version finale du projet

Is there any update of this project?, look interesting considering is the only over 300 meters project in Algeria.

^^ IT'S THE BIGEST PROJECT IN ALL NORTH AFRICA AND NOT JUST ALGERIA

http://www.thelocal.de/articleImages/13125.jpg

this is the last update but the text is in french, my english is very bad, sorry:ohno:

Grande mosquée d’Alger
Lancement des travaux de réalisation fin 2009

Le ministre des Affaires religieuses et des Wakfs, M. Bouabdallah Ghlamallah, a annoncé mercredi 11/03/2009 à Alger que les travaux de réalisation de la Grande mosquée d’Alger seront lancés fin 2009.


Invité du Forum de la Radio du Coran, le ministre a indiqué que les travaux de conception externe de la mosquée ont été achevés à 90%, alors que certaines questions liées aux canalisations de conduites d’eaux usées et de gaz sont en cours d’examen. M. Ghlamallah a fait remarquer qu’une rencontre a été organisée récemment pour l’examen des techniques parasismiques pour garantir la sécurité de cet ouvrage religieux qui s’étend sur 20 hectares.

Concernant la contribution des sociétés algériennes dans la réalisation de ce projet, il a indiqué que ces dernières peuvent y apporter une contribution même partielle pour peu qu’elle soit efficace. La Grande mosquée d’Alger, rappelle-t-on, compte une esplanade et une salle de prière d’une superficie respective de 20000 m², un minaret haut de 300m, une maison du Coran d’une capacité d’accueil de 300 places pédagogiques et un centre culturel islamique d’une superficie de 8000 m². Elle compte également un centre d’exposition, des bibliothèques, des salles dotées de moyens multimédias, des bâtiments administratifs, ainsi qu’un parking de 6000 places, des espaces verts et des points d’eau s’étalant sur 10 hectares.


Par APS

Not bad, looks quite interesting. Even though design is modern, it preserves the traditional mosque shape... There is a nice combination...

My fear is that the minaret will stand too tall to actually enjoy the details in 'cladding' from groundlevel.

where in algeria will this be located? sorry i couldnt find the answer myself...

hi you guys. I'm newbie. Nice to meet you all

A supertall in Algeria??? How are they going to pay that?

A supertall in Algeria??? How are they going to pay that?

where do you believe the gaz to cook the paella come from :) ?

where do you believe the gaz to cook the paella come from :) ?

jajajaajaja hilarious!!! good one

:lol:

You know, I can't believe that all countries are projecting supertalls except Spain. It's very disappointing.

can we see the places where will be building???

Wow, so I guess the mosque in todays banner might not remain the tallest for much longer! Although the project seems to have stagnated a bit.

can we see the places where will be building???I think this is the site (http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=36.736133,3.136854&spn=0.003955,0.006877&z=17). You can see the placement of that freeway interchange in the photo of the model on the previous page.

where do you believe the gaz to cook the paella come from :) ?
:rofl::rofl:

:lol:

can we see the places where will be building???

Here is the place, It is in "Mohammadia"

http://www.monsterup.com/upload/1219510900.jpg (http://www.monsterup.com)

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/1250/dsc00376copy.jpg

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/6411/dsc00377copy.jpg

http://www.monsterup.com/upload/1213716413.jpg (http://www.monsterup.com)

http://www.monsterup.com/upload/1213716430.jpg (http://www.monsterup.com)

http://www.monsterup.com/upload/1213716460.jpg (http://www.monsterup.com)

http://www.monsterup.com/upload/1213716474.jpg (http://www.monsterup.com)

http://www.monsterup.com/upload/1213716505.jpg (http://www.monsterup.com)

http://www.monsterup.com/upload/1213716519.jpg (http://www.monsterup.com)

Description

http://www.monsterup.com/upload/1213716535.jpg (http://www.monsterup.com)
http://www.monsterup.com/upload/1213716569.jpg (http://www.monsterup.com)

http://www.monsterup.com/upload/1213716591.jpg (http://www.monsterup.com)

abdeka when they must start to build???

where do you believe the gaz to cook the paella come from :) ?

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

where do you believe the gaz to cook the paella come from :) ?

:lol::lol:

Some beautiful designs, but the last ones are ugly.

abdeka when they must start to build???

In the first quarter of 2010. :)

Other models :

http://www.digitallook.co.kr/data/archi/18_ggarchcnvbrr.jpg

http://www.digitallook.co.kr/data/archi/18_xbpumvvlaanp.jpg

2 days ago they spoke about the project in tv they show this picture
didnt emphasize wich one was chosen or when project start .......

http://www.alger-city.com/projets-de-la-ville/projet-mosquee-alger.jpg

Congrats Algerians, you're going to dethrone us :D

Algeria to build grand mosque

2009-10-28 09:26

Algiers - Algeria on Tuesday called for offers to build a Grand Mosque of Algiers, which would be the third largest mosque in the world after those of Mecca and Medina in Saudi Arabia.

Candidate companies should have an annual turnover of at least €1bn and have a permanent staff of more than 2 000 engineers, technicians and office staff, the national agency for the building of the Djamaa El Dzajair (Algiers mosque) specified.

The Grand Mosque of Algiers, which could cost several billion dollars, will stand on a terrain of about 20 hectares at Mohammadia opposite the bay of Algiers to the east of the capital. Its minaret will be 270m high.

The main prayer hall will be large enough for 36 000 people, and the complex will also include an inner court, an esplanade, a large auditorium, a library for 2 000 people, a school for Koranic studies and an underground car park with space for 6 000 vehicles.

Algiers currently has three historic mosques: Djamaa el-Djedid, on which the building work began in 1660, Djamaa el-Kebir, built in the 11th century, and the Ketchaoua below the Casbah (the old town), which was constructed under the Turks from 1794. The Ketchaoua was converted into a cathedral under French colonial rule (1830-1962), and restored to Islam after independence.

- SAPA

http://www.news24.com/Content/Africa/News/965/726641ed313c479fbcb4d20f3f08ab8b/28-10-2009-09-26/Algeria_to_build_grand_mosque

Some new renders

http://i25.servimg.com/u/f25/10/05/03/61/photo013.jpg

http://i25.servimg.com/u/f25/10/05/03/61/photo011.jpg

http://www.coloco.org/fichiers/_territoires-actuels_11236_MSQatspColoco.jpg

http://www.coloco.org/

Wow the last renders look simply great!

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8746/61129233.png (http://img46.imageshack.us/i/61129233.png/)

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8962/94481691.png (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/94481691.png/)

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7727/15588360.png (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/15588360.png/)

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5749/34589774.png (http://img33.imageshack.us/i/34589774.png/)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4585/55085211.png (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/55085211.png/)

2 days ago they spoke about the project in tv they show this picture
didnt emphasize wich one was chosen or when project start .......

http://www.alger-city.com/projets-de-la-ville/projet-mosquee-alger.jpg

the other two designs are great but I don't like this one:)

any update !

stunning design

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well .. great project .. but the design should reflect the (algerian design) isn't ?
i found the actual design so ugly ..
well .. for me..

well .. great project .. but the design should reflect the (algerian design) isn't ?
i found the actual design so ugly ..
well .. for me..

Personally I like this one. The minaret is just awesome.
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8962/94481691.png

...


Bouteflika To Launch Works Of Algiers Mosque Next November


President Abdelaziz Bouteflika is likely to inaugurate the commencement of the building of great mosque of Algiers as by next 1 November, which coincides with celebrations of the Liberation Revolution (1954-1962).



Head of the national agency for the building of the Djamaa El Dzajair (Algiers mosque), Mohamed Alloui, said the German company has accomplished the technical stage of the project.

Mr Alloui told Echorouk reporter that the outcome of the technical study has been checked by experts of the agency.

He added that he study has comprised the structure of the minaret, the praying hall, the related features and the pillars, noting that this religious complex will mix between the Mghreb-Islamic and modern architectures.

The agency is in permanent contact with the 6 local and foreign companies which have been preselected to compete for clinching the building of the project, before the opening of the bids next 17 July.

The project’s specifications stating that any candidate companies applying for the bid should have a permanent staff of more than 2,000 engineers, technicians and office staff. They should almost have an annual turnover of at least one billion.

The new law on public deals stipulates that companies attributed the building projects have to start construction works within a deadline of 90 days. Thus, the first stone of this Islamic project is likely to be put by President Bouteflika on next 1 November.

Situated at Mohammadia, opposite the bay of Algiers to the east of the capital, the mosque would stand on a site of about 20 hectares with a minaret standing about 270 metres high.

It will feature a main prayer hall large enough to hold 36,000 people. The complex will also include an inner court, an esplanade, a large auditorium, a library for 2,000 people, a school for Koranic studies, and an underground car park with space for 6,000 vehicles.

It will also feature a conference room, a Qur'an house, a centre for cultural sciences, media centres, a laboratory, a 300-room hotel, a shopping centre, restaurants, green spaces and a recreational park.