just to get it started i checked all the pages on w.a so i posted this because there wasnt one.

I've emailed the enquiries if i could have a render so yeah.

Project Name:
Bishop's See, Project Future 239

Address:
239 St George's Terrace,
Perth W.A 6000

Description:
The future office on Perth's best location; the historic Bishop's See site.

Completion:
2005

So this building is officially under construction? Hope so.

No, its not U/C. The site has been prepared, thats about it.

This may not go ahead for another few years - think of the spam this thread will accumulate......

Yep,that's for sure:D

I thought "Official" threads were meant to be posted only when the building was actually being built:?

I'm pretty sure they demolished an old building in preparation for the tower and started doing earthworks but the plan for the building became more and more conservative and the developers are probably having trouble filling it up now>(

ground works are done and the site is still fenced off with banners an stuff. a couple of months ago i emailed the project manager and he said they will start when the get some more tenant pre-commitments

The position is that the only tenant who is in the market at the moment for space in 239 is BHP, and they have given no commitment. All other leasing options have failed.

Can we close this thread?(!)

why do we need to close it for?? here is a place where we can talk about the project rather that creating individual threads. does it really need to be under construction???!!!

A new web page is currently under development for this project plus as Phat posted, the site says completion in 2005. Who knows, they still may go ahead without a precommitment.

www.future239.com.au
www.projectfuture239.com.au

the BP building has be demolished and only early site works have happened, ie just levelling the site, thats all, the project has been downsized several times, and is pretty much dead, with all tenants on the seach either staying put or moving to current towers or west perth/subiaco, there are shit all tenants on the look, very very rough times for the perth market, and the chances of this tower going up are very very small atleast in the next year or so. the only chance is BHP what would only still give it a small comitment. the reason the other thread went to shit is because this project has gone to shit!

http://www.thewest.com.au/pictures/250-bus19tower3.jpg

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www.projectfuture239.com.au

the BP building has be demolished and only early site works have happened, ie just levelling the site, thats all, the project has been downsized several times, and is pretty much dead, with all tenants on the seach either staying put or moving to current towers or west perth/subiaco, there are shit all tenants on the look, very very rough times for the perth market, and the chances of this tower going up are very very small atleast in the next year or so. the only chance is BHP what would only still give it a small comitment. the reason the other thread went to shit is because this project has gone to shit!</td></tr>
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yeah ur right chris. this has gone to shit. hopfully bhp will move to futuris tower. that is sure to kickstart it.

it looks heeps small have they reduced the size?

yeah it got reduced 2 times, and that pic doesen't even show the revised plans. if we want another office tower pray for 100 st georges terrace, thats maximum use of space....

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thats the first design if the tower! its ment to be 110m in that pic

Close! I emailed the owners back in 02 and the official height before revision was 106 m.

in the current market 35k sqm is such a waste for a 105m building, though a new blue glass wall is tempting...

looks like quite a sleek, modern design, but its a bit short and squat, suburban almost:?

update
http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?threadid=47918

Can the project I say. Going on those figures (2x15,000sqm), these buildings will probably only be 10 levels each, if that! It will be a waste of land if Hawaiian goes ahead with it (not to mention looking stupid on surrounded by much larger buildings.

This is truly amazing. All of their marketing has always been based on how tenants love big floor plates, connectivity of business, working environments etc - and now they come up with this. Absolute bloody rubbish.

Are they still going to retain the stilts concept? That would look good - 10-level buildings on 6-level stilts #sarcasm#

hopefully the pcc will disapprove of it and it will get canned!BTW this is like the 4th time plans have been changed!!!!!

They can't find tennants,they can't make up their minds what a bunch of wankers.Next they will say they are only going ahead with a carpark......

Yes, a carpark on 6 level stilts....which would be a "landmark in architecture, environmental values and operational efficiency - the [carpark] of the future".

lol
With ergonomic pay meters and contemporary concrete stack design.

I think this company is totally confused and in disarray.

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</table>lol next thing you know they
ll have a plan for a 800m building and then realise they dont have enough money.

or a 100 story carpark, that wont be designed for car useage....

OK, ok guys, we all agree this project is up "shit creek". I got to say, the developers are only thinking of making money, and anyway they can do that, they'll try.

no more future239http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/bawling.gif

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thats made entirly out of lego!

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thats made entirly out of lego!</td></tr>
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:rotf:
ha, well, i wouldnt be surprised, these asian investors have a habit of going the cheap way...

true.but lego aint cheap

Perth's Hawaiian towers
Property fund Hawaiian Management Group is proceeding with its reworked plans to develop twin office towers on the Bishop’s See site at 239 St Georges Terrace, Perth. Dubbed ‘Project Future 239’ after the site address, the new plan features two towers of about 15,000sqm.

The reduced size of the development will allow Hawaiian Management Group to lease smaller chunks of office space to tenants. The company had originally pursued a more ambitious proposal for an 18-storey building offering around 47,000sqm of space. Though the design had already received development approval, Hawaiian Management Group decided to abandon it due to difficulties negotiating pre-commitment for such a large-scale development.

This follows a current national trend where smaller developments have become increasingly popular because of lower pre-commitment requirements. Hawaiian Management Group intends to approach Perth City Council again to get development approval for the amended twin tower plan. Project completion is scheduled for 2005.

Hawaiian Management Group was founded in 1993 by Malaysian investors. Since the group’s establishment in Australia it has taken part in property transactions worth around $1 billion. Ownership of the 2ha Bishop’s See site remains with the Anglican Church, and Hawaiian Management Group has secured an 84-year lease.
www.propertyweb.com.au

Well, good news that at least something is happening on the site...better than nothing at all!;)

Originally posted by flyin_higher
Well, good news that at least something is happening on the site...better than nothing at all!;)
nope, northing is better. they could have waited for the office market to pick up and proceed with the original development. the site isnt going to run away!!!!!!! seems like such a waste of a prime site (one of the only ones left!)

they would be waiting a very long time....
this development could be just as tall if it has small floorplates

or even better, sell the site to a developer who knows that office market in perth is shit and so they build a resi complex. Hey they should sell it to westpoint so they can a huge resi complex! why they could have 2 124m towers and have a skybridge!!! lol i dream alot!

I know its crap to us skyscraperfans, but the development world does not work like that... its done on economics, demand supply and returns etc...

but there is no demand for offices. take a good walk around perth. every second tower has big real estate signs showing theres vacancies

hence why they are scaling down and re-designing the project the suite the current market

i emailed hawiaan about it and asked for a rendering. i dont think ill get a reply though

Originally posted by dilaz89
i emailed hawiaan about it and asked for a rendering. i dont think ill get a reply though

they won't realese it to you before the media...
it might be still in the planning to...

they mite cause i told them i was from a comapny wanting to lease some areas of the building.

pfft lol....

lol...dilaz89
What was your letter like?

Dear Mr hawiaan
Im thinking about leasing some of your office in the building you are thinking about building.i have a big comapny. Can you please send me a picture.
Thanks alot.

:lol: ..(just kidding):D

nah it was more formal

the big guns usually get companies to find them office space like FPD savills were doing expressions of interest for BHP... hey wonder what is happening with them they are our only chance of a major office project going ahead

im praying they will go to 100 st georges terrace. i have a feeling the will go there or an existing perth building. future 239 just doesnt seem right for such a big company.

they were only looking for about 8k sq m of space

still would be goos enough for the futuris building.

depends what level of pre-commitment the developmer wants before construction. though I would say that would be enough. but that would further strain the office market

and btw they were looking for space withing the core financial district so no low-rise west perth offices:D :guns1:

shit i didnt think about that. but it sounds like a good tower. who knows, but time its completed(late 05) im guessing, the market mite just be starting to pick up.

i was just flicking throgh the future 239 thread @ the old forums and some one said that they have one major tenant. does anyone know who they are?

nah they don't if they had a tenant it would be UC...

lol i dont remeber making this thread!

An article in the West suggests that Multiplex may be planning a residential and staged office development on the site. No wonder Multiplex and Wyllie were campaigning against the Emu development!

http://www.thewest.com.au/20031202/business/tw-business-home-sto116468.html

Multiplex strikes deal on Bishop See
MULTIPLEX and its float cornerstone investor Hawaiian Management Group have struck a joint venture deal for the development of the Bishop See site at the western end of St Georges Terrace.

It is understood that Multiplex, which lists on the sharemarket today, has taken a 50 per cent stake in development rights for the site and is reviewing plans unveiled by Hawaiian two years ago for a futuristic office tower, which has not secured an anchor tenant.

It is believed that Multiplex is examining potential residential developments on the site, as well as a staged office development.

The contract is one of two major property deals the group has bedded down with keystone investors Bill Wyllie and Hawaiian.

Mr Wyllie and Hawaiian have each taken stakes of about 7 per cent in Multiplex Group as part of the $2 billion-plus float by the Roberts family of a 58 per cent interest in the international construction and property group.

Mr Wyllie has sold his 50 per cent stake in the Claremont shopping centre redevelopment site to Multiplex for a sum understood to be similar to the $16 million that the Perth-based millionaire paid for his half share.

Hawaiian owns the other 50 per cent of the retail site, which could house a $100 million plus development of the under-used shopping centre and carpark land in the centre of the western suburbs shopping district.

Hawaiian is awaiting a decision from the Town Planning Appeals Tribunal about its current development proposal. It is believed that Multiplex will review the plans in the wake of its $16 million purchase from Mr Wyllie.

Multiplex director Tim Roberts, who oversees the group's WA operations, declined to comment.

The company is cashed-up after bedding down the float and is looking at a series of development proposals in Perth including the Raffles Hotel, Steve's at Nedlands and the Cottesloe Hotel.

The company has sold 292.5 million shares at an initial price of $3.08, with another instalment of 98¢ a share due in December next year.

The institutional raising closed heavily oversubscribed and retail investors without firm allocations from brokers stood little chance of receiving stock.

Managing director Andrew Roberts said the group had given extra allocations to brokers with strong retail distribution networks in Perth.

This had led to roughly 10 per cent of Multiplex shares going to WA investors, excluding Mr Wyllie and Hawaiian.
http://www.thewest.com.au/20031202/business/tw-business-home-sto116468.html

:eek: :)
go resi bldgs!!!

bump

there Is a new billboard on the site, couldn't catch much as I was driving, it said something like prime development site? not sure if they are selling it or looking for tenants and they will develop a building for them or what. looked like it said future239 down the side of the billboard. must get back for a closer look

plz be selling :D!

we need some big companies to move there HQ's to perth, stupid branch offices and centralisations>( thats what you get when your the smaller capital I guess

just says bishops see development site with a phone number

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i read in the paper that clough could be an anchor tenant for this and it might be bigger

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v251/chrisaus/6de8b94b.jpg

So this is south of the new convention centre? Damn, that will be awesome if we get anything built. I always thought Future 329 was the original plan for the old emu brewary site. Great. :)

dont get ya hopes up for this wanker of a project!

i'd rather it sit for another 10 years and get a tally than a small development today

they can't go too big beacause of the gay bishops house, remember?

How can a house be gay:):):):)

figure of speach or whatever!
smart arse!:)

A pink house would be gay.lol

Years ago there was a 60 storey proposal for the Bishop site.

my vision for the site is a major mixed use tower surrounded by a public square with cafes, restaurants and retail stores spilling onto the square with water features etc... this will respect bishops house with the open space around that tower, and bring something for the people @ the terrace like woodside plaza and retail precint will start to do

This is sacreligious on this forum but I wouldnt mind a Cafe strip with maybe some museams or cinemas. Maybe a mall. But I would also like some talls.

nice concept, wrong site but.
homer that tower was canned because of the fucken bishops house!

Do what Sydney do. Incorporate historical building into the towers proposal. put a nice garden and fence around the thing and build around it. Geez. Is it that big?

The Forrest building was done like that.

Do what Sydney do. Incorporate historical building into the towers proposal. put a nice garden and fence around the thing and build around it. Geez. Is it that big?
ever seen the original proposal for future 239? it was to be built on stilts 30m high over the bishops house. btw i think overshadowing was the issue with the 226m proposal

Heh, Maybe they could have the thing as a feature in the foyer :)

Aww screw it. maybe I should just burn it down... Or not.

yes plz!!! i dont give a shit what happens to it. wrong place if you ask me!

Destroying more historic buildings in the CBD should be out of the question,fuck Future239.....fuck any other major proposal for that site-there are other places to build towers in Perth without destroying what precious few heritage buildings the city has left.

If there is nothing but late 20th century and early 21st century architecture to see then what is the point of even going into a city and trying to find it interesting.

eeh theres enough of it around!:D
BTW you cannot go to bishops house, its private!:(

btw its just another old house, nothing speacial
ya can see the same shit over and over in the western suburbs!

Bishop's See
Project Name: Bishop's See
Owner: Hawaiian
Development Partner: Multiplex
Description : Proposed office on the historic Bishops See site. Perth's best address set in a heritage garden precinct.
Completion: 2007

For further information contact Stuart Duplock.

ill send him an email and see if i can get some stats!

Stats:

Height above ground:0m
Floors above ground:0
Special Features:an old house,some grass'n'shit.
Major tennants:people wandering through on way back from lunch

stats on whats planned smarty-pants!:)

OMG!
http://home.iprimus.com.au/roc1/future.jpg :eek2:

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Don’t kill me people but that was a Fake!…hehe:D
Sunday nite humour …too much time on me hands….It was nice for that split moment eh?...lol.:D:D:D.

:goodnight

nice one. i knew straight way that it wasnt real tho.

you have to much sparetime rocstar is you can do that on a saturday night:D:D

sunday night, btw

Damn you!

LOL @ Rocstar.

It looks very MS Powerpoint. I thought it was "real" for a moment.

239 has been dead for a while - shame.

multiplex have bought into the development (joint venture) also multiplex and hawaiian are also doing the claremont town centre development. so hopefully together we will get a large scale mix used project worthy of a capital city

Hopefully it is an interesting design and somehow incorporates a square or open space like what is alredy there.

Also,hope it is 'large scale'.

yes i want significat retail, cafes, restaurants, bars, public plazas, water features, art gallery, with residential, office, hotel etc... very mixed used, very vibrant, very capital city CBD more than just a office block with a lobby no one from the public can go in, woodside could have been alot better, but its a start, it has a retail arcade through the middle with some outlets fronting the public square/park, urban design is very important, more important than just another tower, all towers and no life make a sterile city!

amen brother,amen

-2 towers
-10 storeys
-35m
- 15,000 sqm each

:(

that would be a bloody waste...

exactly! iv sent another email off with my suggestion

very very prime site leave it vacant wait 10 years and come up with something we can be proud of, a small development isn't worth the investment of the site...

-2 towers
-10 storeys
-35m
- 15,000 sqm each

:(



aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargggggggghhhhhhhhhhlllehhhhhhh - cough.

Jesus. The lame bus just stopped at bishops see. Future 329? Try 20 years ago 329...

lol @ mikeyraw

lol. people will laugh at the name when they drive by it and see 2 10 level towers and a crap cafe.

they should put art work on the hording like infront of st martins tower while its vacant

btw in the old design the lobby was going to be 30m high. thats only a 5m difference between the current roof height and a fucking lobby!:D

Jesus, Thats just sad. Talk about moving backwards.

hey chris you wouldnt happen to still have a pic of the original would you? i loved that design. even tho it was only 109m it was truly a landmark!

i dont 'think they really have a plan at the moment they haven't lodge an application, they are probably waiting for the market to pick up again

the man emailed me back and told me thats what they were planning.

well im planning to blow up thier shit house non vision plans:D thing long term:D

their office is in perths safest tower- london house where all the floors are locked by keycard and all visitors must check in with the security guard- have fun!

Do you think thats going to stop a 767 ?

dont worry the market will kill their plans, lets hope westralia square gets up thats the best proposal imo and its staged...

also milligan square is back on the market crn milligan and murray street oposite fast eddies, was to be turned into an office development but lack of tenents made it flop, its an old historic bulding and can be turned into a hotel, office space or something special, it was approval for a modern addition to make it taller

I hope its not too many years before the office market really picks up in Perth

the injection of woodsides office space is inflating the market, plus alot of smaller buildings are coming onto the market, hence no majors, hopefully we can stop the trend of companies moving out of the CBD into the boring suburbs and get some demand and therefore space going up

Perth has a 1.6% population growth (probably more since that is the figure for the State and most come to Perth) so that means more consumer demand and the consistent need for more commerce land use.

Bloody West Perth stiffled the CBD office development for the last 15 years but that's quite understandable after the excesses of the late 80's.

im all for office space in subiaco and west perth and central inner city suburbs, its the suburban office space that sucks ball, the inner office areas still have good public transport, cafes and retail, alot of space has moved into unsustainable office parks and home offices etc... low rise fringe offices are great, get angly at the campus style suburbs crap

I do like West Perth but at the same time, in my opinion, it has been overkill and I would now prefer to see bigger ventures shift east to the CBD proper.

Well the there isn't to many sites left, and now its moving into residential, I agree CBD towers would be great, and on the other want west perth development is better than office space in say belmont or balcatta

over the past 2 quarters there has been a strong positive net absorbtion in office space.

arent home offices good chris... less cars on the road... live and work in same subrub etc: ;) i think more mixed use in the suburbs is a good thing

home offices add no life to areas.

but it isnt mixed use those places have no public transport, no cafes its just 1 level buildings surrounded by parking, in shit dead ugly buildings and bad landscaping, it would be great, if there were joondalup CBD styled employment nodes that create an urban precint with office buldings but there aint, mixed use isn't to accepted in perth, suburban employment nodes should be located on rail lines, have wall to wall buildings, cafes, shops and restaurants etc... home offices well living in your house all day isn't contributing much to the city....

yeah i mean places like joondalup.... the new wellard station will have home offices overlooking the carpark.. free security ;)..

well i think mixed use like subi is good.. retail, office and aptment in same building

to bad mixed use in perth means and office and parking :D
though suburban CBD's like joondalup really only become home to stuff like council offices and centrelink, though midland does have DOLA offices, that more of what we need, though they are expanding the freakn shopping centre in midland taking any benifits of that away, joondalup CBD has been skrewd over because of the shopping centre, now the same thing will happen in armadale and midland, midland is a pretty special place, may have some not so special people, but its a real little city, with potential to really take of but then they go let the shopping centre have big expansion meaning the street shops will probably die and goodby streetlife

what is the use of having home offices next to the train station, they dont' need trains for work, move them back and let city workers live close to the train, and the home offices in close walking distance but further away so they can still go shopping via train but they dont' need it for work... and why not have offices on ground floor so they get out of the house and interact with the streetscape and might even pop into the local cafe for lunch and create some life for the area

i didnt design i t... i think they did it for security of the carpark... so the office workers can watch for thieves :P..

i work in subi/shenton park... it is in a converted townhouse ... heaps of street life and cafes etc: a real sense of community... its a good mix...

there are nice town houses on rowland street in subi but their view is of a cheapo carpark where the parking meter gives you 2 hrs free parking sometimes!:D

pfffft if you dont' want your car stolen walk/bus/ride to the train station! esp considering that is supposed to be a TOD, also you have a much chance of getting your car stoled from your front yard or carpark as work as the train station, plus most train station carpark are either locked up or guarded from 7am-9pm by security. I love boans warehouse in east perth, ground floor commercial and new york loft apartments above!!!! funky as

what st is that boans bldg on?

between ABC HQ (UC) and the impossible triangle (@ roundabout)

Don't know if anyone else has posted this - not related to the F239 site but a similar story - a "vision" but quite interesting.

WA Club looks at property options
23-September-04
Written by Marsha Jacobs


The Western Australian Club is considering the development of its prime St Georges Terrace property, potentially following in the footsteps of the neighbouring Weld Club’s success with Exchange Plaza.

In a letter to members this week outlining a loss of $525,455, the club revealed it had been approached by a group interested in developing the property.

“This may be a similar proposition to the Weld Club’s success in selling their “air space” for future income streams, and would guarantee the long-term future for the Club,” the letter, signed by club treasurer Anne Bishop, said.

“This is being negotiated but is very much in its infancy,” the letter added.

WA Club CEO Barrey Williams said the club was always looking for improvement opportunities.

“We own a four-storey property, which has heritage considerations, but BankWest Tower is a perfect example of how a heritage site can be developed to incorporate that heritage element,” Mr Williams told WA Business News.

“We don’t have any concrete proposals but if we were going to build in the city we would do it big. The club would remain in the site, it just may operate from the 50th floor.

“The basic thing we need to do is increase membership – we have 1,900 members and we want to get to about 2,500.

“But member numbers are up net 140 this year, which is the biggest growth we have experienced in five years.” he said.

The 916 square metre property, at 101 St Georges Terrace, was purchased by the WA Club for $3.2 million in 1995 and the next year a $1.5 million internal refurbishment was undertaken.

The site contains four storeys at the front, three storeys in the centre and a two-storey former warehouse section at the rear.

The building was completed in 1887, and its first occupant was the Australian Mutual Provident Society (AMP).

Mrs Bishop said the club was subject to a confidentiality agreement but might be in a position to announce something in two to three weeks in relation to the development of the site.

The letter sent to WA Club members says the development may be similar to that undertaken by the Weld Club.

The nearby reserved and exclusive club owns the 5,779 square metre site at the corner of The Esplanade and Barrack Street, which includes Exchange Plaza.

The Weld Club building was erected in 1892. It was designed by Sir Talbot Hobbs.

Exchange Plaza was completed in 1992 at a cost of $270 million, with a 135-year lease from the Weld Club dating from 1988.

The leasehold is equally owned by the Stockland Group and Commonwealth Managed Property Syndicate.

its in 'small projects and proposals'

oops

dont worry :) chris may go off at u though :P.......

i think the WA club should be left.. there are plenty of other sites which can house a new tower.. like future 239 and the westralia hole

it would be nice if they built ontop of it sdo it belnds in well like bankwest.

heritage with 0 set back with a tall glass slender tower set back slightly, ohhhhhh baby bring it on...

what i loved about the article was that there are still people in perth who believe in building big, the idea that another 50 storey could happen is nice. You never know, I mean 50-storey towers are under construction in singapore and the prime vacancy rate is higher than that in perth.

i think after the bust of the early 90's the chance of that is slim..but we can live in hope :p

a 50 level office building on that site would have less space than the bulky woodside tower probably....

Hmmmmm,what about mixed use....... e.g 50 office,40 resi ???

:D :D :D

.......*NZer changes his pants*...........

lol only one could dream!

Add up peninsulla and its 118 stories, that coulda been huge. Instead its 7 towers of around 20 stories each. Thats just how perth goes. So the market is thier. Take swan pano, It could be one 300 metres tower.

i doubt thats gonna happen..

Add up peninsulla and its 118 stories, that coulda been huge. Instead its 7 towers of around 20 stories each. Thats just how perth goes. So the market is thier. Take swan pano, It could be one 300 metres tower.

You also forget it costs alot more money to make a single 118 story building then it does to make 7 towers of 20 stories each. The only reason you go that high is when land is so expensive that the cost of building that high is justified. Unfortunately for skyscraper lovers, Perth has plenty of developement space available in the CBD.

exactly.. couldnt have said it better myself...... just couldnt be bothered :D

developers dont want to build high, just they have to when the land cost makes it economically feasable.........

i think burswood will be great..... have 1 tower crane there and 2 cranes at holiday inn :D

a 300 m tower there would be MAJOR eyesore aswell........ in the cbd on the other hand ;)

i think mikey was just trying to show that perths resi market could sustain a building of that height.

well penninsula will be staged.. you cant really stage a 300m tower over 6-7 years.. the point is that this supply will be released to the market gradually and not in one go.

But the markets their isnt it? The current market means that a tall ala brisbane at the moment with vision is viable in perth.

Don’t despair!

http://home.iprimus.com.au/roc1/wa.jpg

Fact or Fiction?

Is this what’s installed for us in the WA club site..Is this a ‘Vision’? …yes it is ‘Vision tower…lol:D

dont think so.. looks abotu 3 times too wide.. :D

Hey, I'm not that good!:D

nice... Id rather it to the left of central park though
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because of good sales though burswood has been sped up with the tower realeases ie axis wasn't going to be launched for some time but its here, lets hope the big shift from the burbs keeps happening into the inner city, with pcec, increase in bars, cafes and amenities should keep growing, we now have CBD supermarkets, 24h gyms convenience stores etc, so the services are there, and the attraction of CBD/apartment living is growing esp after shows like sex and the city so if the numbers keep growing im sure the towers will keep coming... im saving up for my unit:D got a lonnnnnng way to go:D

I'm saving for mine too,and I'm serious......

But I also have a bloody long way to go.lol

yeah you can't afford the airfare to perth other than a nice apartment:D:D

NZer makes enough money,he just spends it too.......

iimmmmm baaaaack

gee how boring, the threads havnt changed since i was last on here. :( Poor Perth :(

still hanging at mega malls and macdonalds in ya wutang:D:D

iimmmmm baaaaack

gee how boring, the threads havnt changed since i was last on here. :( Poor Perth :(

Welcome back,welcome back,weee-elcome baaaack.

lol nzer

Well I for one hope you guys get another tall (200+) soon. You already have a fantastic skyline but it seems a little unfair that Melb gets Eureka, Syd gets WT and the rest, Bris gets Vision, GC gets Q1 and the only other city that already has two of Australias tallest is still waiting for another one. It sought of surprises me that a tall mixed tower or all resi isn't happening yet.

Excuse my ignorance, but is there any sought of shift to innercity living over there like we have here in Brissie. I mean, even though you guys have the best freeway and PT systems in OZ surely inner city living is going to make that even more sustainable, and I would have thought it was a popular thing to do anyway.

it is.. there are alot of proposals like the gateway and emu brewery..
Also mirvac are building aptments at burswood and subi and east perth have really taken off....

In the cbd at the moment we have a number of towers u/c but no real big ones

i really want to include some Perth & Adelaide towers for my monthly diagrams but we need some 90m+ scrapers.! even Condor & peak are just under. hopefully Swan Brewery towers will kick off soon.

emu brewery ;)

pfffft this is perth goodluck getting enough people moving into apartments to support a tower with 200+ units... we are suburbanite, we are freaks, we have no class, we wont' build big tower.... fucken perth ... chrisaus's perth pms part 2

Perth is a nice city, at the end of the day.

yeah its nice and sunny and we have some nice beaches, but its full of fucken bogans and airhead, who don't give a shit if perth is bogansville with no entertainment or lagging 50 years behind the rest of the world...:D

Yeah, you can go to any city in the world and go in the burbs. I went to woy woy in sydney, we had to leave sydney through the burbs, damn. Some of it was like a shanty town. cough:penrith:cough

fuck sydney that hole city is a shit hole:D

^^^ Angry young man.

pfffft this is perth goodluck getting enough people moving into apartments to support a tower with 200+ units... we are suburbanite, we are freaks, we have no class, we wont' build big tower.... fucken perth ... chrisaus's perth pms part 2

Jeese dude i think your just a little harsh.
Personally, i would much prefer to live in a 1/4 acre block with a big house, my own pool and a big backyard. Rather than living in a small, but very posh apartment, with a shared swimming pool and little privacy. Maybe it's just me, but i like the relaxed sun baking lifestyle rather than the hectic share a pool lifestyle. Of course living in a tower in perth is very handy if you work close by.

Maybe my opinion is clouded by the fact i live in a very nice house, on a 1/4 acre block with my own pool, with city and hilll views. By the way i live only 5 minutes drive from the city, so before you say i live in Kalamunda :)

i too want a 200m tower, but i dont think saying we are all bogansis gonna help much :)

Thats my 2c worth

well i think u must be rich to live 5 mins from city and have all of that.. i think 5m mins from city should be higher density.. aptments and townhouses... otherwise the city isnt sustainable!

doug probably has a maid and full time gardener too or a heap of spare time to maintain a property that size:D well I guess I don't like the having to hop in the car to go everywhere lifestyle maybe thats what has put me of big blocks in the burbs, but im sick of having to travel so far to do anything, I want to walk down the street to quality cafes and shops instread of my local shopping centre full of kmart and best and fucking less
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/2212/101912212ml1096596338.jpg

Actually i am only 19.
I live in my parents house, but do i run my own electrical retail store, so yer i am pretty well off. No there is no maid :eek2: we aint millionairs.. lol...far from it.

I see your point, nice street living is fine, but those apartment towers are so bloody small, its really just a singles type thing. Certainly a family is too small to be in there i think.

I mean i want a 200m tower too so i can see it go up from our balcony :) , but i would prefer it to be a commercial type thing rather than a residential tower. We have to be careful what gets built, the last thing we need is a tower that ruins our " Clean beautiful glass" skyline we have. We can't just settle for any 200m tower no matter how appealing it is.

What is the demographic of the people that live in these flash new resi towers in other cities like brissy, Melb and Sydney??

Q1 is residential and that has pleanty of glass!!!

ugly shit glass tho
chris i think you are overreacting abit there.

You dont have to be rich to live central. Alot of students live together and pay about 50 bucks rent a week.

us poor pricks should do that lol.

Yeah, Ill be doing that when I go to uni and leave home.

id like to do it but no c**t would probably want to do that with me. im hoping my uncle with let me live in his apartment for next for nothing.

im sick of having to travel so far to do anything, I want to walk down the street to quality cafes and shops instread of my local shopping centre full of kmart and best and fucking less
Well........
MOVE!:D:D:D:D
Hey I bought a pair of pyjama pants from Best&Less..lol:D

What is the demographic of the people that live in these flash new resi towers in other cities like brissy, Melb and Sydney??

20 something, gay, eats at restaurants.

No seriously, i've got an article on it right here.. okay well somewhere in this mess.

Well........
MOVE!:D:D:D:D
Hey I bought a pair of pyjama pants from Best&Less..lol:D
on a $5 budget I think ill be living in wellington square:D ah atleast its better than living in the sticks:D

Look...Perth has come a shitload of a long way since I left in 2000.... now that I'm back I can see Perth has changed a lot. Granted - much of perth is still suburban crap and big-time city living is yet to take off, but it's only a matter of time...

For now, if you want inner-city living style, I'm afraid it looks like your only choice is Subi....

I love the residential part of subi so so many trees, nice town houses etc.. more of that is needed in the burbs the reason subi is so expensive is because of lack of suppy and big demand forcing up prices

still hanging at mega malls and macdonalds in ya wutang:D:D no i neva did that, i havnt worn wutang in like 1 year and a bit now

moved on to da da :D sorry dude i won't tease any more hehe

go on :D Perth needs to wake up and realise we are getting into a rot.

because a hump of concrete wont go up... hmmm I would rather we get no towers than alot of the crap that went up in the early times, they add nothing to the city, the city will 'rott' if we keep putting up towers with no ground floor interaction etc.. like past towers.. there is more to a city than just towers, its what happening on the streets that matter....

but look at all our major towers, all the bases of them are vibrant with cafes ect...

not always at the start though, look at bankwest the palace hotel should be a bar or something, allendale square only just got espresso bar etc... we have fixed alot of the old ones now...

Bankwest could be better on the ground level but i is the main branch though.

has a couple of tenancies though they are in lobby, that branch is a crime, should be open to the people not a depressing bank that hardly opens...

i go there and do my banking, seems fine to me

i like the lobby! best in perth imo!

its a bank unless your a member no one else can go in, should be something everyone can use, and something that is open at night, i dont' belong to bankwest, so i can't go and enjoy the great building, I would prefer to sit there sipping hot choclate and sitting in a bank foyer that closes @ 4.....

fuck it has a cafe and a news agency. it only the palace building that is the bank!!!! i belong to bankwest. better keeping my money in WA!:D


btw NO towers lobbys open after business hours (exception aapt)

some towers are open after access for more global 24 hour operation though they are key car entry plus most majors have static guards on site

a look into the office market

Ticor heads give Perth the nod
Popular wisdom holds that Perth has become a ‘branch office’ economy, but the reality isn’t that simple. Mark Beyer reports.

Mineral sands company Ticor last week announced it was moving its head office from Melbourne to Perth, providing a small but symbolic example of Perth’s growth as a major hub for the resources sector.

Ticor joins far bigger companies such as Alcoa, ChevronTexaco and Woodside that have moved their Australian or global head office to Perth over the past decade.

The biggest growth has been in the oil and gas sector – Woodside has just under 2,000 staff in Perth, while ChevronTexaco has more than 500 staff and contractors in Perth, including about 300 staff from its former subsidiary, WAPET.

The gain is not just in direct employment. The likes of ChevronTexaco, Apache Energy and ConocoPhillips are engaging lawyers, engineers, accountants and other professionals in Perth to support their growth.

South African mining giant AnglogoldAshanti is another international firm that has chosen Perth for its Australian base.

Anglogold moved into Australia in 1998 with the acquisition of Acacia Resources, and one of its first moves was to close Acacia’s Melbourne head office.

Like Anglogold, Ticor wants its head office closer to its operations.

“The rationalisation of Ticor’s asset base … has provided an opportunity to relocate the corporate office closer to our core businesses, located around the Indian Ocean rim,” managing director Peter Robinson said.

PricewaterhouseCoopers managing partner Andrew Edwards believes businesses globally have become more flexible in choosing head office locations.

“It’s about companies working out where they can best operate,” Mr Edwards said.

“In oil and gas, we are going to be net winners out of that.”

The flipside of this process is that some companies head east. Construction giant Multiplex and engineering company United Group have shifted head office to Sydney, and B Digital recently moved most of its head office functions to the east coast.

However, not many companies have chosen to move their head office from Perth; most of the losses have stemmed from takeovers.

Challenge Bank, Aherns, Swan Brewery, SGIO and Bristile are just a few examples.

HBF managing director Mike Gurry believes the loss of WA-based players in the financial services and retail sectors is a result of globalisation, which has prompted national and international players to buy-up local competitors.

“What that tends to do, in the end, is you become a branch economy,” Mr Gurry said.

“The problem with that is the consumer doesn’t get treated seriously.”

At first glance, BankWest falls into this category, now that it is wholly-owned by UK banking group HBOS.

However BankWest managing director Rodger McArthur said the current HBOS structure would create local opportunities, since marketing, technology and other group functions would be run from Perth.

Wesfarmers stands as the prime example of a nationally successful business keeping its head office in Perth, though even in that case its hardware (i.e. Bunnings) and industrial safety divisions are run from the east coast.
http://www.wabusinessnews.com.au/story.php?P_category=1&nid=22013
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fucken pricks multiplex!!!!

bump

http://img186.exs.cx/img186/3285/1646451img5ok.jpg

ive seen that many times driving past, it looks like a big site, are they doing any work on it?

lets hope this goes ahead... still praying :D would be way better than city squre if it had a public plaza linking in the emu

A awsome location that needs a really good tower.

Reading through this thread ive got a proposition. I plan on being rich, i need to develop wealth buy sell company's and make cash through property like my hero in a way. BOND.

I buy low level office space around perth and bam all my tenants will move into the lower section of a 70 floor office/Res west of CP with a hight of 280m. Then the top has all resi. I build four small resi towers with a roof hight of 75m and put and put 15m spires on them.

What a plan though i will need your support. I shall need at least $400,000,000. Also this tower will be Dubai thin so dont worry. Also i will bribe the state and federal governments to increase imigration of japanese and chinese to fill my tower's.

Like my plan.

Expect 3 200m+ tower in the next 40 years at least.

You know Bond ripped off so many people during his time. And that was before his company went bankrupt oweing millions of dollars to banks. He used to back in the 80's hire small contractors to do big jobs that they would jump at the opportunity for. And then simply not pay them, or continously delay the payments. The guys he owed money couldnt really do anything because Bond Corp was a billion dollar corporation at the time and most of them were small contractors.

Yes i know.
But he got rich then went dirty and got richer and richer till he floped.

Also my plan is better.

Chrisaus is PCC mayor
Dilaz89 is WA preimer.
Perthguy78 is the minister for planing.
Auxodium PCC member
perthwa PCC member
Perth4life PCC member/male stripper

See it's all good fair corruption

^ If Dilaz ever got premier I would shoot myself. But first bomb his house with my new mult-billion dollar bomb that in the next few days I would be selling to China and become a rich, rich man.

Righteo! Back to the subject please.

so chris (also perthwa) would be PCC major and member, whats with me being a stripper ? is it a gay type or the one that all the chicks love :D

i think its the later lol..

^gay type lol

I wonder what they actually do have installed for the site now?. I think we may get some action soon on this. It may be a possibility that Bankwest will take up space in City Square and now Woodside is looking for more space as well as other mining companies and firms and lets not forget the Government.

woodside should have bought woodside bigger lol.

perthwa is chrisaus. yes me for premier- atleast i dont have a comb-over. Anyway the other day while talking to city square ppl they told us that hte govt could anchor this developement. its crap imo cause its 2x 10 lv on stilts.

Well thats good... I think.

:)

^lol at your square head thing waustralia.

2 towers of 10 levels on stilts was the freakin plan on this mega site after future 239 was abandoned. . How disappointing if that is still the plan ..Are u 100% sure that is still the plan man?

probably not- things change like the wind in this city. i wish the original 106m fat tower was still going ahead.

wtf, whats happening to the tower you just showed us in the models that has the funny blade thing?

woops, my bad wrong thread :P

"Michael, thank you for your enquiry. At this point in time we have not made the design public as we are in negotiation with several major office tenants. Sorry we cannot be of more help at this stage.
"

sounds semi-promising :)

lol!

for 2 10 story towers on tilts?? boring as.

http://www.hawaiian.com.au/interface/gfx/contentImages/bishopsee_1.jpg

Meh build somthing to rival swan pano, it's a better site do somthing with it please.

Its deserves at 150m commercial building, no less. Although 200m+ with the Panos would really beef up this end of the skyline :)

Beef up. Another 200m building there would dominate the skyline.

lets be realistic aye fellas lol.

Ive told you before PFL.

25 levels of Office.
32 levels (200 apartments) of Residential.

That gives you a 200m tower. Would be vaible today.

Citystyle, do you know any examples of such a hybrid office tower in Australia?

^^Riparian (res/office), Collins Place (hotel/office), proposed 163 Castlereagh St in Sydney

cheers mate.

heights? (or floors?)

Lol you never have heard of the Riparian Plaza or Collins Place?

Collins Place has been around for decades and houses the Sofitel Hotel. Sofitel is part of the Accor line who own Novotel, Mercure, All Seasons, Ibis, F1 etc .. The building is nearly 25 years old now and is 185m at 50 stories. The hotel starts at level 35 and goes through to 50.

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=108394

Ruparian Plaza is Brisbanes tallest atm at 200m and is 53 stories.. Carpark, Offices, then apartments on the top..

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=131557

As for the on in Sydney ..

It was meant to be 183, with 20 office on the lower and 24 res upper. But now it seems it might just be apartments and serviced? I dont know

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=140699
http://www.multiplex.com.au/page.asp?PartID=463

And lol you could have found out all this yourself with google ...

heard of the buildings but didnt know the details, thanks.

riparian rocks, so stylish. lets hope the bishops see site will produce a similar beauty.

Another concrete Siedler building. Know that would be funny.

We could name the area the Siedler quadrangular

fuck it has a cafe and a news agency. it only the palace building that is the bank!!!! i belong to bankwest. better keeping my money in WA!:D


btw NO towers lobbys open after business hours (exception aapt)


yeah, but the bank is owned by HSBC though :D
i like the lobby... it is very nice :)

HBOS, to be correct.

oh yeah, my bad :D

Just want to quote from property section of today's West:

"Two more St Georges Tce projects....~.... and the Hawaiin-Multiplex joint venture at Bishop's See are also hunting for tenants.

I'd say by that statement, that this project has not been scrapped and we will see the stilts tower within two years.

This was the original 2001 proposal. No idea if it is still current.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8717/bishopssee2bp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Nope, not current, but I'v been looking for that pic for my collection for ages! Thank you!

Arr yes Future 239. We are still in moaning over the loss of this. Lets hope for a miracle resurrection :) .