The Port Tower is a building planned for Karachi, the financial capital of Pakistan. With collaboration from local and foreign investors, and the Karachi Port Trust. The Port tower will be 1,947 ft (593 m)[1] high. The height of the tower has special significance. It represents the independence year of Pakistan which is the year 1947.

The tower is part of a complex which will be constructed on artificial islands in the shape of symbols of the flag of Pakistan. Which are, a crescent and a star. It will comprise a hotel, a shopping center, and an Expo center. The tower will be constructed on the crescent shaped island. With a viewing gallery it will offer a panoramic view of city's coastline. When completed it will be the tallest building in Pakistan.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f2/Port-Tower.jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Port_Tower_Complex.jpg

SOURCE:www.wikipedia.org

Give us comments guyz !

impressive ...i like it..it looks quite simmilar with the one in Dubai :cheers: ..but it's much taller...:)

:wtf: Unbelievable how many megatalls are coming out this year :eek: :eek:

agree, but i think we'll see much more in the next few years

No too fond about the design. Looks abit "forced". Obviously impressive height.

Impressive height! But, which year is due to start being constructed? I mean it will be in many years I think, as ZZ-II already said!

I think the design resembles the buildings in dubai/abu dhabi because i think the firm making it is from UAE.

I really love the design, it looks very futuristic. Karachi is very lucky to be getting a tower such as this.

The middle eastern countries really seem to be booming alot...

wikipedia is the only source?! :D

Awesome, simply madness

Wow this topic is way outdated. The design has been changed to this:

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/887AedasWinKarachiPakistanCompetition_pic1.jpg

2007-03-26 > Aedas Win Karachi Pakistan Competition

Aedas have won an international competition in the port city of Karachi in Pakistan to design a new super-tall skyscraper.

The landmark building will sit in Karachi Port as one of the anchor schemes of attempts by the owners, the Karachi Port Trust, to construct a landmark commercial building that can act as a central anchor for future urban development.

Within will be 102,000 square metres of office space taking up almost 60 of the bottom floors of the 81 floor tower. The top 21 storeys will be a new five star hotel that includes 30 serviced apartments and swimming pool.
With their design Aedas have played on that increasingly modern skyscraper cliché of a torqueing tower. The Karachi Port Tower is effectively helical in shape but the use of difference façade treatments ranging from totally smooth skinned to horizontal rings every few floors marking the progression in height. Smooth glass curls around the building terminating in a pointed semi-transparent façade overrun at the top pushing the height over 300 metres tall.

The sharp-eyed will notice that in addition to the main tower there is a staggered and substantially smaller building of a similar design included that also has glazed skin and a similar curving shape.

This will accommodate a further 280 serviced apartments, 70 bog-standard ones and a 10,000 square metre shopping mall at ground level. In addition there will be parking for 2500 cars and conference facilities for 1200 delegates.

Other firms involved in the massive project are Mott Macdonald and MM Pakistan who will all be teaming up to get work on site underway for April 2007, a very quick lead-in time for a decision announced only a matter of weeks before.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/news.php?ref=887

The first one was great, but the second design is simply stunning!!!!!!! :drool:

@Edwardes
The render of building you gave was KPT Tower . Port Tower Complex and KPT Tower are two different projects. me not too sure and correct me if i am wrong.

Why do people think that Pakistan is a Middle Eastren country? Pakistan is a South Asian nation, it borders Central Asia and the Middle East.

Good point !

I love both designs.

this project is awesome ! Karachi will definitely become a futuristic metropolis, just one thing-- I hope that Karachi doesnt ''copy'' from Dubai, and stick to the original Pakistan-style architecture and urban planning ! :)

Wow this topic is way outdated. The design has been changed to this:

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/887AedasWinKarachiPakistanCompetition_pic1.jpg

That is a heck off a drooling design!!! It is just stunning off how it looks like in the picture!!!

Man the USA got some extreem competiton in skyscraper building!!!!

one day Karachi will make it. At least I hope so.

very impressive. those are amazing buildings so whats the final height on those????

Who designed this buildings? americans or someone else. If it was some american company make those buildings here!!! Im jealous. :(

woooo guys this building looks so freaking amazing, is the proyect goin to be approved or is under construccion?. in any case i'm glad for you guys is a really nice proyect

This project is impresive i like it..it looks like a fat wale....;))...but its tallness it taht makes me like it..more..:)

this is the design that was initially proposed. these renderings are almost 3 years old.
http://www.geocities.com/mehdi_cs/PTC-MS17copy.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/mehdi_cs/PTC-MS10copy.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/mehdi_cs/PTC-MS27copy.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/mehdi_cs/PTC-MS19copy.jpg

I don't think dt the design has been changed.......

chk this out....... at the end of video its the same old 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzWRhoew2vE

OK I'm confused did I post the render of another building or is this the new design for KPT?

:ohno:

OK I'm confused did I post the render of another building or is this the new design for KPT?

:ohno:


you posted the render for the KPT Tower Complex which is different from Port Tower Complex. Port Tower Complex is 1947 feet and is part of the Karachi Waterfront which is being built by Limitless (Dubai World) and is therefore now being constructed by Limitless the designs posted is this thread are old watch the video for karachi waterfront (link to karachi waterfront thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=455319) to see the new design. whereas KPT Tower Complex has been designed by Aedas and is around 300 m tall (80 floors) and is being constructed on the reclaimed land along the Mai Kolachi Bypass (link to KPT Tower Complex thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=460243&page=2). construction was supposed to start in april dont know what happened.

hope this makes things clear

great design, nice to see Karachi going vertical!

where is it in Karachi

Wowww... this is going to be the identity of Pakistan one day

Of all the high rises claimed to be the icons of the cities around the world, Karachi's tower will hit the top spot in its grandeur and class. No doubt the tower is just awesome.

Karachi Going High: 1947 ft Building on the Horizon

Speaking at inaugural ceremony of the Bagh Ibne Qasim in Karachi, General Musharraf announced that one of the tallest buildings in the world is planned to be built in Karachi.

How tall, you ask? Well, the word from the top is all of 1947 feet. One assumes that this number is no coincidence. I guess there will be something special on the 14th floor and somehow August will also be commemorated.

According to the Daily Times (Feburary 28, 2007):

One of the tallest buildings of the world will be constructed in Karachi, President Pervez Musharraf told a ceremony in connection with the inauguration of Bagh Ibn-e-Qasim here on Tuesday night. The president referred to a project pertaining to a beach and island’s development, and said this would be a mega project of international standard. He said that land for the project would be reclaimed from the sea and added that the centre of the project would be a 1,947-foot high building. “Inshallah we will make it. We must show the world that this is an emerging, progressive and dynamic country and we are second to none. We know how to handle ourselves. We know what progress and prosperity means and that is what we need to show to everyone,� Musharraf said. The project would not affect the environment, he added.

There has been, of course, much fanfare about the Centaurus 7-star Hotel project in Islamabad, and I remain skeptical about the hyperbole accompanying these projects until I actually see them completed. I will reserve my comments on the trumpeted building itself until I see actual plans and designs for it and until it actually materializes in reality. One has heard of too many such grandiose projects that never transpired to get all excited about them just yet. In this case, the legality and appropriateness of the sale of the island where this is to be built remains in question.
However, I find the logic presented by General Musharraf to be rather confusing, even disturbing. I certainly share his desire to be seen as “an emerging, progressive and dynamic country” that is “second to none.” However, it escapes me how building a huge tower will make as any of the above. Moreover, I have absolutely no idea what he means by “we know how to handle ourselves” or how constructing such a building will demonstrate that we do. Most importantly, I do know that “progress and prosperity” is to be measured by means other than the height of one’s buildings.

I do not wish to sound cynical. I really do not. If this actually happens, and if it is well designed and well executed, I will join with my fellow-Pakistanis in a collective bhangra. But, until then, I remain skeptical mostly because the motivation to build this seems misplaced. There could be many good reasons to build such a grand project. And there are many good ways to achieve the objective of demonstrating that Pakistan is “an emerging, progressive and dynamic country” that is “second to none.” But neither is the best match for the other.

To be fair, I think the other things that Gen. Musharraf said in the speech - which were not reported in the story about the tall building - were more on the mark on how to demonstrate that “we know what progress and prosperity means.” For example, according to The News story on the same event the President did show a deeper understanding of the city’s challenges and priorities:

President Musharraf listed a lack of clean drinking water, the electricity shortage, and a lack of cleanliness as Karachi’s current problems. He said the electricity problem would also be resolved, and that the city had required 2200 megawatts of electricity per year but now with a population of 15 million its power requirement has risen to 3300 megawatts. Karachi’s demand has increased by 50 percent, he added. But he said We will resolve this problem. Referring to the city’s water problem, he said he had provided K-III for 100 mgd water and now he would back up the K-IV water project. President Musharraf said that Karachi city should also be cleaned and for this purpose negotiations were be held with a private firm for a solid waste management project which would resolve the cleanliness problem.

However, the same story also points out that the President “directed environmental experts not to create hurdles in the development of the city” and went on to say:

If we have to make roads for the development of the city and for this if we have to chop the trees, we will do it but then we will also plant more trees.

He was obviously referring to environmental objections to the development of the islands off Karachi. This attitude of seeing environmental concerns as ‘hurdles’ to development does not bode well and is at least two decades outdated in the policy thinking on sustainable development. Having environment and development go together is not only possible; it is absolutely necessary for countries like Pakistan and cities like Karachi. So, President sahab, have your tall building if it pleases you; but, please, do not pit environment versus development in this way. It serves neither the interests of development, nor of the environment, and certainly not of Karachi or of Pakistan.

Source:
http://pakistaniat.com/2007/02/28/pakistan-karachi-tall-tallest-building-ibne-qasim-1947-electricity-water-environment/
and Daily Times.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h241/adilnajam/map_kai.jpg

Wait, so is it the cylindrical one, or the pyramid-esque one that's getting built?

They appear to be 2 different buildings and this is about the pyramid-esque one - I think...

:cheers: I can't believe how many buildings will end up Taller than T101. It (T101) isn't even going to be one of the 10 tallest in the world in a few years.

^^ lol ....I agree.

The world cities are going upwards at a tremendous rate.

I'm agre with the upper user

that boom with towers taller than T101 is indeed crazy...but i love it!!!!

this is the design that was initially proposed. these renderings are almost 3 years old.
http://www.geocities.com/mehdi_cs/PTC-MS17copy.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/mehdi_cs/PTC-MS10copy.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/mehdi_cs/PTC-MS27copy.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/mehdi_cs/PTC-MS19copy.jpg

you didn't have to post so many images:bash: :ohno:

keep dreaming this will never happen in **** land.

what will never happen?

keep dreaming this will never happen in **** land.

Many people said the same thing about the Burj Dubai a few years ago, but that one is getting built right now. So we'll just wait and see wether this one gets build or not.

I don't!

but i will wait !!

:O
My mom is from Karachi! I like how the skylin is kind of on the water.
That is a nice building though.

any updates

http://www.tabraiz.net/rambling/karachi_near_future_maga_projects/karachi_near_future.htm

Port Tower

There is a dearth of world-class recreational facilities in the city. So KPT is offering a Joint Venture project to establish a 1947 ft high Port Tower with commercial cum recreational center. Integrating into Karachi’s skyline, the main feature of the venture shall be commercial complex, residential estate, recreational facilities and resorts along with a viewing gallery offering a panoramic view of the coastline and the city.

The Tower is planned to be located at the Clifton shoreline. Presently proposals invited through press from the interested firms are under study.

Source:http://www.kpt.gov.pk/Projects/Proj.html

Oh wow, what an absolutely gorgeous design. Regarding the symbolic height, I'm surprised most anybody in Pakistan would know what a foot was; I thought few people outside the US, Canada, and UK (besides us skyscraper buffs who would see feet all the time anyway) knew anything other than meters.

They should build 1947m tower instead of 1947ft to represent pakistan independence day.

pakistan is booming..lol

^^ WTF is so funny about that?!

They should build 1947m tower instead of 1947ft to represent pakistan independence day.

and again a new WTB :lol:

^^ KPT Tower is not Port Tower Complex - they are two independent projects.

Read the post by musiddiqui below;
you posted the render for the KPT Tower Complex which is different from Port Tower Complex. Port Tower Complex is 1947 feet and is part of the Karachi Waterfront which is being built by Limitless (Dubai World) and is therefore now being constructed by Limitless the designs posted is this thread are old watch the video for karachi waterfront (link to karachi waterfront thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=455319) to see the new design. whereas KPT Tower Complex has been designed by Aedas and is around 300 m tall (80 floors) and is being constructed on the reclaimed land along the Mai Kolachi Bypass (link to KPT Tower Complex thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=460243&page=2) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=460243&page=2%29). construction was supposed to start in april dont know what happened.

hope this makes things clear

keep dreaming this will never happen in **** land.

lol indian:lol:
:nuts:

^^ I think you are right..

It must be his "racism-ego" speaking;... :lol:

@ Mod; thread name is wrong.

^^ KPT Tower is not Port Tower Complex - they are two independent projects.

yes i know :lol: why do you say it to me?

^^ Errors been made - others will be blamed :lol:

:lol:

but back to topic now

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keep on dreampaki brothers.

so are they going to build it? If not, then I will ask my city planning bureau to build it

keep on dreampaki brothers.
Such comments show the extreme ignorance that you seem to suffer from my blind friend.


so are they going to build it? If not, then I will ask my city planning bureau to build it

This is now part of the Karachi Waterfront Development Project by Limitless Dubai.:)

that's an awesome project... great for Karachi!
So, if it is approved, does anyone know when will the construction start?

Find out more about the Karachi Waterfront Project from this thread...
http://www.urbanpk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2975&st=0

The new design is very beautiful but doesnt look like an almost 600-meter tall skyscraper.

If the pyramid-shaped proposal had been built, 40 floors would be too little for a 1947-foot-high building. If the 80-story cylindrical tower were built, they should build a 1947-foot observation tower along with it.

Great building.

Wow this topic is way outdated. The design has been changed to this:

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/887AedasWinKarachiPakistanCompetition_pic1.jpg

How can anyone project something this beautiful :master: :master: :master:... where do they find their ideas :). Simply wonderful :bow: :bow: :bow:.

How about Karachi Metro?

KARACHI DUZ is the proposed name for Metro Karachi (DUZ in Urdu means under/beneath)
here is the detailed map developed by desAYN


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f115/XESKCID/KarachiMetrocopy.jpg

Pakistan is near to a civil war, IO heard from different newspapers. Can't imagine that anyone will build a skyscraper at that moment. But i would be pleased being surprised!

I am hoping this building will get built regardless of the happenings around islambad, maybe the completed structure will be a symbol of hope and new start after the the country stabilizes.. :)

Pakistan is near to a civil war, IO heard from different newspapers. Can't imagine that anyone will build a skyscraper at that moment. But i would be pleased being surprised!

there is nothing such thing as "near to a civil war" in karachi:weird:

my gosh.. this project is gorgeous.. i will daydream this design for hours..

The new design is way better than the old design.

Pakistan is near to a civil war, IO heard from different newspapers. Can't imagine that anyone will build a skyscraper at that moment. But i would be pleased being surprised!

There is no civil war. Don't listen Media bullshit.

KARACHI DUZ is the proposed name for Metro Karachi (DUZ in Urdu means under/beneath)
here is the detailed map developed by desAYN


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f115/XESKCID/KarachiMetrocopy.jpg

I didnt know they are planning Metro Karachi.. What the update? Construction started?

Need to clarify two things.

1. There is nothing remotely close to civil war going on in pakistan. There usually is some friction and blame-game during elections. Once they are over (feb 18) everything would be normal. Its not the first time we have witnessed these political times.

2. That karachi metro map is more of someones enthusiastic effort to make a map but i do not think its anything official( I am not sure though).

And "Duz" does not mean under in urdu.

The Port tower complex project is approved but may take some time to kick off. Then there are some environment concerns and some reclamation to be done. But it would much clearer after the elections. Also its a huge project(since now its part of the karachi waterfront) that will go in phases.

Civil war? It's amazing how CNN can scare the world...a few riots happen in the rowdy parts of town and that's a civil war?

:ohno:

BTW that map is not official, but amazing nonetheless. The other maps were patethic and so unrealistic.

I don't actually mind the old design, thought it looked pretty nice as well

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/887AedasWinKarachiPakistanCompetition_pic1.jpg

this is the KPT Tower and not the Port Tower they are 2 different projects. here is the link to the KPT Tower thread http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=460243

to check out the new Port Tower design watch the Karachi Waterfront video in the Karachi Waterfront thread http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=455319 they show Port Tower towards the end of the video and refer to it as The 1947 Tower

Whoever named the second tower was an idiot and should be slapped severely for his/her ignorance.

Civil war? It's amazing how CNN can scare the world...a few riots happen in the rowdy parts of town and that's a civil war?

:ohno:

BTW that map is not official, but amazing nonetheless. The other maps were patethic and so unrealistic.

thanks dear :D
when Ali designs something its gotta be amazing, or atleast he tries :banana:

and yes its NOT official. But I hope one day i will see my this designed map posted on a train I take from Jinnah Terminal to sadr station and then to my home in N.Nazimabad :)

Need to clarify two things.

1. There is nothing remotely close to civil war going on in pakistan. There usually is some friction and blame-game during elections. Once they are over (feb 18) everything would be normal. Its not the first time we have witnessed these political times.

2. That karachi metro map is more of someones enthusiastic effort to make a map but i do not think its anything official( I am not sure though).

And "Duz" does not mean under in urdu.

The Port tower complex project is approved but may take some time to kick off. Then there are some environment concerns and some reclamation to be done. But it would much clearer after the elections. Also its a huge project(since now its part of the karachi waterfront) that will go in phases.

and DUZ still means under/beneath
like zamin duz (underground)

the final design is awesome...simple yet smart looking...whats the progress....and whats the new height.....

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn98/ikramrao/018JPG.jpg
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn98/ikramrao/063JPG.jpg
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn98/ikramrao/061JPG.jpg
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn98/ikramrao/059JPG.jpg
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn98/ikramrao/049JPG.jpg
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn98/ikramrao/058BMP.jpg
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn98/ikramrao/052BMP.jpg

the skypod looks like it is over 400m above ground

the skypod is 445 meters high if i didnt make a calculation mistake :)

Awesome renders!! Did you make them your self?

QUOTE=Waleed12;19761174]Awesome renders!! Did you make them your self?[/QUOTE]

nope my friend render this

hehe..

Isn't it going to be 1947 feet high? To signify the year of Pakistan's independence?

any updates>?

Isn't it going to be 1947 feet high? To signify the year of Pakistan's independence?

If you're talking about the thread title which says "1946ft". Then thats probably a typo. I think I pointed that out before.

Project is closed

:no::no::wallbash::cry:

what a pity :(

the design is awful!!!!!!

Project is closed

:no::no::wallbash::cry:

what?? which project

Project is closed

:no::no::wallbash::cry:

I'm sorry but can you at least provide a credible source before making posts like these.

I'm sorry but can you at least provide a credible source before making posts like these.

Well I would take this guys word as he is a CAD technician involded in the projects going on in Karachi. He even showed us the renders that he's made for alot of the projects going on in Karachi. He has also updated us alot on all the up and coming projects in Karachi. He told us that he found out over the phone that the project has been cancelled.

stumbled upon this while looking for updates on KPT Tower. According to wikipedia these are the same architects that came up with the original design for Al-Burj (hence explaining the resemblance to Al-Burj)


Port Trust Tower Complex Karachi, Pakistan

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8453/karachiporttowercomplexjq5.jpg

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2192/karachiporttowercomplexho2.jpg

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/1701/karachiporttowercomplexni5.jpg

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/2905/karachiporttowercomplexhq6.jpg

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4959/karachiporttrusttowersizr0.jpg

Combining the patterns and traditions of the existing city with modern sustainable urban design concepts, the Karachi Port Trust Master Plan creates a landmark skyline from the sea that will become the pride of Karachi. The Karachi Port Trust Master Plan will enhance popular Clifton Beach through the creation of a 250-acre mixed-use development. This includes the Karachi Port Trust Tower that, at a height of 1,947 feet, symbolizes the date of Pakistan's independence. The master plan has been developed based upon five distinct design principles:
- A new arcing landform
- A beautiful city park
- Three contrasting districts
- A diverse urban grid
- An ecological framework
The overall program area for the Tower iincludes 2,000,000 square feet of office and 700,000 square feet of hotel and 600,000 square feet of retail. In addition, the program calls for 350,000 square feet of exhibition space, a 1,500-seat auditorium and an observation deck at the top of the tower.

Information
-250 acre mixed use development master plan
-Three landmark districts: Tower, Mosque and College/Hospital
-Beachfront promenade connecting to a large park made up of restored mangroves




Source: Pei Partnership Architects (http://www.peipartnership.com/projects/portTrust/portTrust.htm)

according to the site plan above this is the location:

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/4505/karachiporttowercomplexev6.jpg

I love the new design. It looks much better than the original.

I love the new design. It looks much better than the original.

I agree. Simply stunning! :banana:

:lol: thats the design everyone thought the Al burj would look like

first i thought he posted in the wrong thread :lol:

Read what he posted about why it resembles the Al Burj.

first i thought he posted in the wrong thread :lol:

when i first saw the render i also thought that its Al-Burj but according to the architects website its Port Tower, i think after this design was rejected for Al-Burj they shoved it down our throat.

So is it closed?

^^there still seem to be some hope

Absolutely fantastic.... I love the renders.

thanks mussiddiqui :applause:

according to the site plan above this is the location:

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/4505/karachiporttowercomplexev6.jpg

This area's going to look amazing if this becomes a reality. I absolutely LOVE the new renders. WAY BETTER than all the previous renders!

when i first saw the render i also thought that its Al-Burj but according to the architects website its Port Tower, i think after this design was rejected for Al-Burj they shoved it down our throat.

I for one am not complaining. Not even one bit! :cheers:

Btw the height should be 1947ft in the title of the thread. Symbolising the year when Pakistan gained Independence.

i wont complain myself if they build this thing

and yes a mod should change the height in the title to 1947 feet

till now i thought the huge structure in the middle (numbered 21 on the site plan below) of the development was the actual tower but after closely looking at the renders and comparing them with the site plan i was able to figure out that the structure marked by the red arrow is the tower whereas the other structure looks like a mosque (has a dome in the render and architects website says there is also going to be a mosque in the complex). someone might already know this but i just assumed that big structure to be the tower.

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4375/porttrust5copymv3.jpg

Wow! It looks futuristic
Congratulations
I hope I can visit Parkistan and this city one day!
Nice:)

hope they'll also take the height from the old Al Burj Design...1050m would be nice :D

^^1050m will be sweet but first let KPT reach 593m then maybe we can think of going higher, for now lets dubai have the honor of reaching that height

so is this thing going to be built or not?

i hope it gets built at its 593m height. it looks really good.

i hope to c it built in my life.

Stunning design! Build it faster!!!

i hope to see it rise up. damn this financial crisis. hehhe

Are you serious? Pakistan just had to be saved from the world community, becuase otherwise it would be bankrupt, so why even bothering about a project like this? They should have invested their money in other things than nuclear weapons development!

Are you serious? Pakistan just had to be saved from the world community, becuase otherwise it would be bankrupt, so why even bothering about a project like this?

Its good to keep yourself updated rather than mouthing off BS. This project was conceived during Musharraf's Era when due to Economic Reforms of 2000 (http://www.londonstockexchange.com/NR/rdonlyres/9876F63B-54DB-46FC-B636-DB877A379C1B/0/Privatisationminister.pdf) by him. His and Shaukat Aziz's goverment was able to guide Pakistan to its highest growth rates ever seen:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii109/traPPed_2008/EconomicPerformance.jpg?t=1206605834

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii109/traPPed_2008/PAKPoliticsEconomy.jpg?t=1207876852

However, due to the current policies and obsession with revenge of the new government. Everything has gone tits up. The world community didn't "save Pakistan" out of any brotherly love, its because they need Pakistan to stay stable, to help them win the War on Terror. Just like we helped them win the Cold War against the Soviets in Afghanistan. Yet again they need us. And what "help" by the world community do you refer too??? Pakistan just got an IMF loan with strict conditions attached to it. The so called "Friends of Pakistan" group did jack for Pakistan. There was no "help" that you speak of. An IMF loan is not called "help" especially considering that due to the interest rates on loans and strict conditions attached to it, Pakistan will end up paying back more money that it actually got from the IMF, as a loan in the first place.

People such as you really dissapoint me. :no:

They should have invested their money in other things than nuclear weapons development!

And lemme disprove you here once again.

As a percentage of GDP, Pakistan spends 3% of its GDP on the Military (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pk.html#Military). Not 20% like many people think. Compared to America, which spends 4.06% of its GDP on its Military (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html#Military). Pakistan spends more than a percentage less than America on its Military.

Btw, does your country have a way bigger neighbour next to you? With whom you share a border of almost 3,000 km? With whom you've already fought 3 wars and still have outstanding issues left which can ignite a war in no time? And who also possess Nuclear weapons, much larger in number, with a greater payload and range? Not to mention a Military budget 3 to 4 times larger than yours?

Damn, that shut him up. :laugh:

And according to an article posted in Mehfil Pakistan, in Urdu, the project is still alive. Hopefully we can see something rising soon.

Great post Intoxication ;)

:happy:


Go Trappy! Go Trappy! :cheer: :cheer:



Shut that troll up! :laugh:

Its good to keep yourself updated rather than mouthing off BS.

I don't see where this is BS because it's still a fact, regardless of who is or was responsible for the current situation!

However, due to the current policies and obsession with revenge of the new government. Everything has gone tits up. The world community didn't "save Pakistan" out of any brotherly love, its because they need Pakistan to stay stable, to help them win the War on Terror. Just like we helped them win the Cold War against the Soviets in Afghanistan. Yet again they need us.

I know this, actually everyone knows this and that's the sole and only reason why the world community/IMF agreed on "giving" Pakistan money to save it from bankruptcy!

And what "help" by the world community do you refer too??? Pakistan just got an IMF loan with strict conditions attached to it. The so called "Friends of Pakistan" group did jack for Pakistan. There was no "help" that you speak of. An IMF loan is not called "help" especially considering that due to the interest rates on loans and strict conditions attached to it, Pakistan will end up paying back more money that it actually got from the IMF, as a loan in the first place.

If this is not help, what do you consider help? Because it's a loan that Pakistan will have to pay interests for it's not help?
You say Pakistan will end up paying back more money that it got, but I say the IMF/countries who agreed on this loan will never see their money again!
Face it, even the G8 countries are so deep in debt that they will never get back out of it, also the country I live in, let alone the US - it's ridiculous (if it wasn't that serious) how suddenly hundreds of billions of EUR/USD/GBP are thrown into the public discussion, although countries like the USA are as bankrupt as many other African countries, yet the world (unfortunately depends on them) so they know that they cannot be dropped by the world community because of the consequences this would have on the world economy (thanks to globalization!).
If China had the balls, this crisis would be the chance for them to change the power balance globally (nobody really wants to imagine the economic earthquake this would follow), but in fear for their very own economic growth (and maybe also the unpredictable political aftermath of such an action) they don't act and therefore the situation will remain the same for quite some more time I guess (in terms of economical and political dependence on the USA).
Nobody really seems to realize that now is the time to change the world, like Obama said, it's time for change, but in another way than he actually thinks of, because every crisis, even the deep crisis we may all go through now is also a chance!
I know this is driving us too far OT, but let me give just one example.
Instead of pumping all the money into buying the corrupt credits and as loans and guarantees for the banks, they should rather invest the money into establishing green technology (if the US automobile industry would invest in environmentally-friendly technology now, they could not only preserve their own existence, but also be a role model for the whole world and therefore taking the lead in this field) - massively, which would produce many many jobs and help the countries' economies to grow again - and also do something for the ecology and the global climate (not only talking like always). But in the end, nobody sees these chances, all the politicians are just opportunists and will continue to talk instead of acting!


And lemme disprove you here once again.

As a percentage of GDP, Pakistan spends 3% of its GDP on the Military (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pk.html#Military). Not 20% like many people think. Compared to America, which spends 4.06% of its GDP on its Military (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html#Military). Pakistan spends more than a percentage less than America on its Military.

Not only I think it's not a matter of how much Pakistan actually spends on its military budget, even more I think that a country like Pakistan (India, Iran, North Korea as well as any other "unstable" countries (nor any country in the world if you ask me) should be in possession of nuclear weapons of any kind! No offense to you or to Pakistan, India etc., but if you have a look at the political situation (which you also describe further down), the situation is anything but safe - look at what happened in Mumbai, now this fuels the whole tension between the two countries even more, exactly what the terrorists wanted to reach - great to see how easy this was for them - and stupid if you have to sit there, watching what happens and you cannot do anything against it from where you sit (somewhere in Europe, the USA or somewhere else)! How comforting, isn't it?
Oh, and mentioning that Pakistan only spends 3% of its GDP for the military, I could dismantle your argument by setting it into relation with the political situation. If a country like Pakistan is strategically so important in the War against Terror, don't you think they should put more effort into fighting it which means putting more money into military budget? Maybe this would strengthen the region, weaken terrorism and help fighting it (I don't know if this war can ever be won - I doubt it) and maybe could have prevented something like what happened in Mumbai last week!
Apparently, in respect of the financial situation of Pakistan it is certainly not quite easy to make even bigger military efforts in financial terms, but then they should ask someone to help them, which means let other countries (who could afford it and are willing to fight terrorism) operate on their territory to support them in the War against terrorism.
Also, have you ever imagined what could happen if the "wrong" people get into power in Pakistan and get their hands on nuclear weapons? I can think of enough extremist streams in the country making me shiver when I imagine they had power over these devices!


Btw, does your country have a way bigger neighbour next to you? With whom you share a border of almost 3,000 km? With whom you've already fought 3 wars and still have outstanding issues left which can ignite a war in no time? And who also possess Nuclear weapons, much larger in number, with a greater payload and range? Not to mention a Military budget 3 to 4 times larger than yours?

If I tell you that I live in a country surrounded by nine neighors (there are only two more countries in the world who have more), that the country I was born in started two World Wars (all we had until now), having led to 60,000,000 dead people alone in WWII, which also led to the construction of the Atomic Bomb, which was marked by the two World Wars in every way, seperated into two countries being the scene of two super powers opposing each other in the Cold War for over 40 years, but since 1945 never knew any war, like the rest of the Continent which is unprecedented in its history. How odd that it seemed to need two World Wars to lead to what historical personalities like Caesar, Napoleon (and also Hitler) all dreamt of: a united Europe. What theses people tried with War has ultimately been reached in peace - the blood toll for it was high, but I am glad that we live in peace and now guess, which country I am living in!
So, yes, I know what it is like to be threatened by a much bigger power armed to the teeth with all imaginable weapons of mass destruction and being in the focus of a possible war. We would have been among the first to be eradicated, ending up as a nuclear desert, just as the rest of the world following us. I am glad, these times are over!

To get back on topic, I have to admit that the design of the tower is sleek! ;-)

This building will not be built with government or taxpayer money, it will be built through Direct Foreign Investment, which I'm sure you know is good for any economy :)

@ Cyman

I mostly agree with your sentiments of whats going around the world. But to prevent us from getting off topic any further like you have mentioned there in your post. I will keep it short.

Also, have you ever imagined what could happen if the "wrong" people get into power in Pakistan and get their hands on nuclear weapons? I can think of enough extremist streams in the country making me shiver when I imagine they had power over these devices!

There is no need to imagine this scenario. No matter how much the West loves too. As whenever Pakistanis have gotten a chance to vote in Elections, they have always voted for moderate & secular parties. A recent example is the current elections. Where in NWFP, the so called "radical" province of Pakistan, the average guy voted for the Secular ANP not the religious MMA. Not to mention that Musharraf retired all the religious people from the Army, so that even if the next coup comes, the guy won't be a radical like General Zia-ul-Haq.

On top of that, Nuclear weapons are not just out there in the bazaars (markets) of Pakistan that anyone can just go and pick them up like that. All the components that make up a Nuclear Bomb, are spread all over the country, at very different & secure locations. With every component being as important as the next one. As with even one component missing the Bomb will be of no use. Moreover, the locations are only known to 4 to 6 people in the whole of Pakistan. Out of a population of almost 170 milion. Its impossbile to get hold of them. Just the West's wet dream.

To get back on topic, I have to admit that the design of the tower is sleek! ;-)

Thanks for appreciating the design of this tower though. :cheers1:

I think that a country like Pakistan (India, Iran, North Korea as well as any other "unstable" countries (nor any country in the world if you ask me) should be in possession of nuclear weapons of any kind!

Well, lets keep in mind that we did not introduce the nukes to South Asia - our neighbor did that in 1974 as a direct threat to Pakistan. Seeing as how we had fought 3 inconclusive wars with them, and no political resolution would satisfy them unless it included handing over the entirety of Kashmir to Indian control, we simply were unable to stand by and be threatened without any response. Let us also not forget that the Indians hadn't even regarded Pakistan as a legitimate state, and some of their leaders (like Nehru I think) even stated that the Muslim nationalism which led to the creation of Pakistan was a whim that would dissipate, eventually leading to the "reunification" of India and Pakistan.



No offense to you or to Pakistan, India etc., but if you have a look at the political situation (which you also describe further down), the situation is anything but safe - look at what happened in Mumbai, now this fuels the whole tension between the two countries even more, exactly what the terrorists wanted to reach

We all know that South Asia is unstable, and that a political settlement of the Kashmir issue (which is the cause of all these problems) is the way to resolve all tensions between India and Pakistan. Until then, I'm not going to be surprised when(not 'if') more attacks happen.


Oh, and mentioning that Pakistan only spends 3% of its GDP for the military, I could dismantle your argument by setting it into relation with the political situation. If a country like Pakistan is strategically so important in the War against Terror, don't you think they should put more effort into fighting it which means putting more money into military budget? Maybe this would strengthen the region, weaken terrorism and help fighting it (I don't know if this war can ever be won - I doubt it) and maybe could have prevented something like what happened in Mumbai last week!

While increasing our military budget may be good for fighting terror, it would come right out of our development funds. I tend to follow the school of thought that believes development, opportunity, and education are far more effective at eradicating terror than warfare. Pakistan's leaders have echoed that ideal as well, so perhaps we are more effective at stemming terror than you'd otherwise believe. Plus, that 3% doesn't include the military aid we get from America.

As for your "put more effort into it" sentiment, consider that Pakistan has lost well over 1500 soldiers in this fight, along with over 1,500 more civilians (including our nearly-elected Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto), so I wouldn't regard our effort as half-hearted. After all, suicide bombings have killed many more Pakistanis than Indians or Americans, let alone Europeans - so if anyone would fight against this sort of terror, it is Pakistan. You can argue that Pakistan bred this sort of terrorism, but Pakistan's CIA-funded program to train Afghan militants in their fight against the Soviet invaders never included lessons on suicide bombings against civilians... that tactic was learned from Hamas, which in turn learned it from the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka - who are obviously Hindus and not Muslim extremists.



Also, have you ever imagined what could happen if the "wrong" people get into power in Pakistan and get their hands on nuclear weapons? I can think of enough extremist streams in the country making me shiver when I imagine they had power over these devices!

This actually is a reason why nukes guarantee our security. No country in the world would allow us to become a failed state -although many of our next door neighbors so often foolishly wish for that outcome (they tend to forget that if Pakistan collapses, those nukes will end up in the wrong hands, and India will likely be target number one). And its foolish to think that some foreign army could come in and seize/secure all those nukes if Pakistan were to ever fall apart. If we had no nukes, the world would simply let us collapse, and end up like some generic African country.

Now please lets get back on topic. :)

can sum1 plz update the pics..... cuz therz a voting going on about best super tall.... there is KPTC but with pic error

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=548772

its working fine for me!!! try it after some time there maybe something wrong with ur pc??

stunning design! and its 593 m.?! wow!

Rise...up!

Are you serious? Pakistan just had to be saved from the world community, becuase otherwise it would be bankrupt, so why even bothering about a project like this? They should have invested their money in other things than nuclear weapons development!

The government is not building it fool, 3 companies from the UAE are.
This project will be included in crescent bay, which they have already laid the site out of.
But this project may be halted for a little while. :ohno:

i hope to c it built in my life.

how old are you, 90?

:rofl:

This is approved?? Something new on this??

Nope, this is not being built, I don't think it will be U/C for at least 10 years.

All the proposed infrastructure are a combined effect of the current and future prospect of any economy.

u might hate to accept it but pakistani economy isnt going anywhere for atleast 5 years till the WOT is imposed on pakistan and till everything cools off to normalcy.

Also only investors in pakistan are MidEast and in da future maybe china.

I cant see any scope of MidEast guyz as they themselves are in deep shit.

As far as china is concerned then their private firms wont invest in any project until they dont get a +ve NPV. or in simple words comfortably profitable.

Frankly, they see that scope in Indian projects and so u see so many 'to be 1st tym in india' projects involve chinese and hong kong firms and they are investing brutally in india.

So my inference is, this project will redeem again as development never halts voluntarily. its the external factors that stop it. after no external factors lyk war,etc crescent project will re-live and we can see this giant standing true.

But till then RIP.....ie atleast 5-10 years.

I like the latest renders more than the first one. Is the Metro project already started?

Its realy sad to hear this tower has low chances to get build. It has so nice design. :cheers:

But, hey (as I suppose) its not complitely dead. They seems to start land reclamation, so maybe there is still hope. (the picture is from january 19 2010)



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