hows rail developments in Ukraine, any future plans for HSR ?

^ Tbh, I doubt Ukraine has any plans purchasing new trains, first of all they should totally renovate the reilway network all around the country and only then it will be a solution, maybe even a solution for bad roads! But seriously, what's with the train infrastructure in Ukraine really, UA forumers?

^ Tbh, I doubt Ukraine has any plans purchasing new trains, first of all they should totally renovate the reilway network all around the country and only then it will be a solution, maybe even a solution for bad roads! But seriously, what's with the train infrastructure in Ukraine really, UA forumers?

all the money for that are stolen by government, as always :cheers:

Today is deday of ceremonial seppucu for polish trolls that keep on bashing Ukraine (no traaams, no traaains, no autooobaaans etc.). Despite the fact, that deadline doesn't change, this situation shows that shit happens everywhere.

At 11.30 president of Wroclaw broke a contract with the general contractor for the Euro 2012 stadium due to delay in construction (~4 months off shedule).

* deadline doesn't change;
* no other investments are deleayed;
* Euro stays in Wroclaw;
* Mostostal wasn't able to pay eventual contracted sanction (lotta pesos per day);
* tomorrow Wroclaw starts negotiations for general contractor; (its not a tender);

this 188 page thread is littered with such photos.

and airports?

^^Check it more careful. You'll find planty informations about airports.

Today is deday of ceremonial seppucu for polish trolls that keep on bashing Ukraine (no traaams, no traaains, no autooobaaans etc.). Despite the fact, that deadline doesn't change, this situation shows that shit happens everywhere.

At 11.30 president of Wroclaw broke a contract with the general contractor for the Euro 2012 stadium due to delay in construction (~4 months off shedule).

* deadline doesn't change;
* no other investments are deleayed;
* Euro stays in Wroclaw;
* Mostostal wasn't able to pay eventual contracted sanction (lotta pesos per day);
* tomorrow Wroclaw starts negotiations for general contractor; (its not a tender);

It think you should make a seppucu, cause you are writing like typical troll then.

If it will not change the situation, what for are you writing this way?? -new general contractor will be chosen within one month. We have a lot of time in advance anyway.

New development in Ukraine : Lviv have finally 24 hour water system after 100 years !!! :cheers::banana:

It think you should make a seppucu, cause you are writing like typical troll then.

If it will not change the situation, what for are you writing this way?? -new general contractor will be chosen within one month. We have a lot of time in advance anyway.

he's quite right frankly. let's have some humility

What an utter embarrassment for the city officials and the company in question. What company is this btw? I praised Wroclaw before, but if the contractor for the stadium is at this stage being shown the door, one has to ponder and wonder what other projects are in jeopardy because the same inept city officials signed contracts with other inept contractors.

It's Mostostal from Warsaw

It's Mostostal from Warsaw

What other projects are they working on that are worth of mention?

Is that Wroclaw mall at all affected by this?

What other projects are they working on that are worth of mention?

Is that Wroclaw mall at all affected by this?

Only part of Wrocław mall will be builded before mall. As far as mall is concern, everything depends on private investor's will. Anyway, it is not worth consideration becouse it's nothing special and indispensable for Euro.

Mostostal Warszawa is probably not responsible for any other crucial project. but even if they were, you should not connect different investition.
The same situation was 2 weeks ago. Well know, big company from Austria - Alpine Bau lost their contract for part of A1 motorway, also becouse of delays. The same company is building Polish National Stadium in Warsaw and Baltic Arena in Gdańsk, and they are on schedule. It's worth to add that contract for 19 motorway is about twice higher than cost of Baltic Arena

Only part of Wrocław mall will be builded before mall. As far as mall is concern, everything depends on private investor's will. Anyway, it is not worth consideration becouse it's nothing special and indispensable for Euro.

Mostostal Warszawa is probably not responsible for any other crucial project. but even if they were, you should not connect different investition.
The same situation was 2 weeks ago. Well know, big company from Austria - Alpine Bau lost their contract for part of A1 motorway, also becouse of delays. The same company is building Polish National Stadium in Warsaw and Baltic Arena in Gdańsk, and they are on schedule. It's worth to add that contract for 19 motorway is about twice higher than cost of Baltic Arena

Thanks Pawel, one more favour if you can, can you show via pictures where in Poland that A1 part that Alpine was building was and tell me why they lost it?

Sorry to be a burden, I am just cheering Poland as a fan is all.

Thanks Pawel, one more favour if you can, can you show via pictures where in Poland that A1 part that Alpine was building was and tell me why they lost it?

Sorry to be a burden, I am just cheering Poland as a fan is all.

Look here:

http://www.a1.swierklany-gorzyczki.pl/opis_projektu.htm

You have a map on the bottom of the page. Their section is indicated in blue, 15 km from the border with Czech Republic (Gorzyczki-Świerklany)

^^Check it more careful. You'll find planty informations about airports.

Actually i just asked for a small summary. :)
Thanks.

Can someone please provide a map indicating the current highway situation in Poland? There is a number of updates ... including the new 15 kms of A1 in the south, construction of the Minsk Mazowiecki bypass, completed S highway between Warsaw and Kielce (or Radom) ... plus a few other ones.

I think that the initiated construction of new airport terminals in Lodz and Wroclaw are important to present as well.

Warsaw's second Modlin Airport which will service low cost, charter and cargo traffic is significant as well. They are already working on it, terminal construction will start next year (2010).

Other important euro 2012 investments being realized include:

-Warsaw Airport road network redevelopment (L-ka).
-Warsaw Airport railway link (tunnel).
-Warsaw second subway line (works start in April).
-A2 from Nowy Tomysl to D border (discussed earlier in the forum).
-A4 from Krakow to Tarnow and from Rzeszow to UA border.

Theres others, but I would like to point out that the Boeing 787 maiden flight has occured this month. Note that LOT Polish Airlines will be the first carrier in Europe to operate this beauty, which is important for the Euro 2012 as well. The carrier systematically is increasing the number of Embraer aircraft in its fleet as well, which are used on European routes. (26 Embraers are flown by LOT at the moment with 8 further orders and 12 purchase rights)

The carrier now utilizes a fleet of 61 aircraft, however the fleet will grow to about 75-80 aircraft by 2012.

I hope you guys dont think this is offtopic, if it is I do apologize.

Have a great New Year everyone!!!:cheers:

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Reconstruction of Izov and Ludyn border stations completed on Ukrainian-Polish border

Renovations of the Izov and Ludyn railway stations at the Ukrainian-Polish border (Volyn province) have been completed as part of the preparations for the European Football Championship Euro-2012, the press service of Lviv railway reported on Thursday.

A complex to satisfy all requirements of passengers' comfort has been built at the small Izov border station, which is expected see a large volume of traffic during the period of the Championship.

The Ludyn border station was provided with computers and equipment to prevent unauthorized persons from entering Ukraine, in the framework of the national border station network.

The renovations lasted for more than two years, and used funds of some UAH 17 million.

Link (http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/56258/)

What was the reason why Dnipropetrovsk became a reserve city although at the beginning it was planned to be a host city.

^^ Probably due to complete lack of hotels and transportation infrastructure facilities.. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the stadium itself couldn't carry more than 30 k spectators..

Can someone please provide a map indicating the current highway situation in Poland? There is a number of updates ... including the new 15 kms of A1 in the south, construction of the Minsk Mazowiecki bypass, completed S highway between Warsaw and Kielce (or Radom) ... plus a few other ones.

I think that the initiated construction of new airport terminals in Lodz and Wroclaw are important to present as well.

Warsaw's second Modlin Airport which will service low cost, charter and cargo traffic is significant as well. They are already working on it, terminal construction will start next year (2010).

Other important euro 2012 investments being realized include:

-Warsaw Airport road network redevelopment (L-ka).
-Warsaw Airport railway link (tunnel).
-Warsaw second subway line (works start in April).
-A2 from Nowy Tomysl to D border (discussed earlier in the forum).
-A4 from Krakow to Tarnow and from Rzeszow to UA border.

Theres others, but I would like to point out that the Boeing 787 maiden flight has occured this month. Note that LOT Polish Airlines will be the first carrier in Europe to operate this beauty, which is important for the Euro 2012 as well. The carrier systematically is increasing the number of Embraer aircraft in its fleet as well, which are used on European routes. (26 Embraers are flown by LOT at the moment with 8 further orders and 12 purchase rights)

The carrier now utilizes a fleet of 61 aircraft, however the fleet will grow to about 75-80 aircraft by 2012.

I hope you guys dont think this is offtopic, if it is I do apologize.

Have a great New Year everyone!!!:cheers:

Look up stats thread on FPW

^^ Probably due to complete lack of hotels and transportation infrastructure facilities.. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the stadium itself couldn't carry more than 30 k spectators..

It was some 5-6K off to meet the standards that's why.

Will the new Polish stadiums have under-soil heating systems? What does it do actually?

It was some 5-6K off to meet the standards that's why.

That can't be the complete reason, Lviv's stadium isn't going to accomodate that much more spectators. Maybe 2k more.

Will the new Polish stadiums have under-soil heating systems? What does it do actually?

Ofcourse they will have. It is a requirement in Polish Ekstralegaue

Ofcourse they will have. It is a requirement in Polish Ekstralegaue

Not every team has a modern stadium though. Wisla Krakow, Lech Poznan, Legia Warszawa, Slask Wroclaw, Cracovia Krakow, Jagiellonia Bialystok, Arka Gdynia, and Lechia Gdansk are all building new stadiums so im guessing all of these new venues will have the under-soil heating systems.

Not every team has a modern stadium though. Wisla Krakow, Lech Poznan, Legia Warszawa, Slask Wroclaw, Cracovia Krakow, Jagiellonia Bialystok, Arka Gdynia, and Lechia Gdansk are all building new stadiums so im guessing all of these new venues will have the under-soil heating systems.

The fact, that those clubs havent got modern stadiums, doesnt mean, that they havent got under-soil heating systems on the pitch. As @pitq said, this is a requirement in polish Ekstraklasa, - those clubs play in it, so that means all of them already have pitch heating system;)

Ah i see :)

hey guys are you alive???
just to let some people know that today there was an information about Wroclaw which could lose the opportunity to host EURO for Krakow.

Probably same bullcrap as it was with Ukraine loosing it to Germany.

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Poznań Stadium

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great pics!

yeah, good to see the progress

Wow, some really significant improvements since the last time we've seen both Warsaw and Poznan! It seems Warsaw NS is even in advance of the schedule! :cheers:

Gdańsk PGE ARENA

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hey guys are you alive???
just to let some people know that today there was an information about Wroclaw which could lose the opportunity to host EURO for Krakow.

That would be awesome!! Krakow was ready for Euro before we even got it!! lol. Wroclaw loosing its chance to host euro would only mean that the 4th city would have to be Krakow, and thats good news as it already has the whole infrastructure. That said Wroclaw stadium is much better looking and probably better prepared for euro as well.

That would be awesome!! Krakow was ready for Euro before we even got it!!

IMO thats one of the main reasons why Wroclaw should have it. Cracow doesnt need it that much. It would not be a leap forward for Cracow as much as it is for Wroclaw and we want all our cities developed, dont we?

Loosing it because of 1-2 months delay? Nothing's gonna change, and uefa already said that...many times...And as far as I rememeber some stadium for euro 2004 was ready one or two months before the tournament started so...You can't evoid problems on such a big and expensive constructions...

Stadiums have to be ready almost a year before Euro 2012 and they have to play test matches on the stadiums. Thats a requirement from UEFA

Stadiums have to be ready almost a year before Euro 2012 and they have to play test matches on the stadiums. Thats a requirement from UEFA

That's nonsense and also UEFA knows that. If the stadiums will be ready for the end of 2011 it will also be ok.

^ Agreed on that. Look at Ukraine, if there was made a decission for the four cities which have construction delays for more than half year in all terms to be accepted as host cities, I bet same will be with Wroclaw, regarding the fact that it is out of schedule for no more than 2 months. That would be ridiculous if something will be changed in this case! But if the worst will happen, I think Chorzow could become a host city.

The delay is 4 months in Wroclaw :ohno:

The delay is 4 months in Wroclaw :ohno:

So what? It will not change anything. Wrocław will build the stadium without problem.

Yeah, and hth you know? Fortune-teller told you or what?

there is something what 'Internet' is called and there are loads of sources which tells that i.e:
http://www.90minut.pl/news/111/news1117556-Miasto-Wroclaw-zerwalo-umowe-z-wykonawca-stadionu-na-Euro-2012.html

BTW. The thing is Wroclaw was always proud of being before schedule and pointing at Gdansk that can't cope with airport.

^ Agreed on that. Look at Ukraine, if there was made a decission for the four cities which have construction delays for more than half year in all terms to be accepted as host cities, I bet same will be with Wroclaw, regarding the fact that it is out of schedule for no more than 2 months. That would be ridiculous if something will be changed in this case! But if the worst will happen, I think Chorzow could become a host city.

With all due respect Krakow is far more likely to replace Wroclaw than Chorzow for reasons that I think are fairly obvious to any objective bystander.

As far as Wroclaw is concerned no one really knows when the stadium will be finished. To claim otherwise is at best irresponsible, at worst fraudulent if not outright delusional. Quite frankly the authorities in Wroclaw are playing with fire and without question have put themselves in a situation that is risky going forward. As such we should be prepared for more unknown outcomes that may arise as a result of the recent events. Wroclaw's margin for error is virtually nonexistent and they no longer can afford any more slip ups.

Poznań

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Will there be a kind of commision held by UEFA concerning Wroclaw's case? Seems like some competing cities spread our rumours..! :ohno:

At this point it's just vain talk, no substance. There is (for now) no reason to believe that Wroclaw will lose Euro 2012 rights. Another contractor should be entering the construction site by the end of January, according to Wroclaw's president Rafal Dutikiewicz. This is a guy who got reelected with 80% of total votes in last elections because of his efficient rules, that transformed Wroclaw into CE investment magnet among others. I have no reason to believe self proclaimed forum "experts" over his judgment.

^^He also said month ago that There is abloslutely no problem and construction is all green :]... let's just wait with fingers crossed.

If you're taking your info from some bs tabloids, than I won't even argue with you..Nothing's gonna change, so stop talking about it, cause this subject (host cities) is already over...

Whatever, I wouldn't call 'gazeta.pl' as a tabloid. Anyway I'm not going to argue with you anymore, I just said what I wanted to express (FULL STOP).

Guys, Platini today said the Wroclaw delay is no biggie.

I still vote for Krakow. lol. give them the chance to host euro and all the problems are solved. ^^. lol, I just realized my dad used to work for Mostostal :D

I'm happy Gdansk got now the possibility to build the new terminal. The bid which was offered by the company who did not win was not considered well as there were some mistkaes so Budimex is going to build new terminal ans Skanska new parrarell road :D

Which is pretty sad and I'm warried a bit cause budimex have a pretty bad opinion in Poland. Well, anyway according to the polish press, construction of the new terminal in Gdansk should start in march.

yeah, I know about Budimex such a bad opinion because of the airport in Warsaw and some other constructions but if they cancelled Budimex bid now, it would take ages to re-write new bid and select the best company to build and then we wouldn't have a new terminal for EURO 2012 at all, maybe u/c , now we just must pray everythings gonna be ok with constructing :)

A little OT...

Question for Ukrainians. Could anyone explain situation with president election?
The Exit Pools said that there will be probably the second round. Is there any chance that Tymoshenko will win the election? Who will take over electorate of Tihipko, Jaceniuk and Yushchenko?

A little OT...

Question for Ukrainians. Could anyone explain situation with president election?
The Exit Pools said that there will be probably the second round. Is there any chance that Tymoshenko will win the election? Who will take over electorate of Tihipko, Jaceniuk and Yushchenko?

Jaceniuk, Yushchenko and even the electorare of lider of comunist Symonenko is going to vote. But I dont know Tihipko electorate.
I think Juliet will win this elections. West Ukraine has usually big mobilization in 2nd round, when They have to choose between "X" and Pro Russian candidate.

I bet if Tymoshenko will be elected, than EURO would become something of the highest goverment's priority of Ukraine! What's more, all the works that are scheduled and contracted for the tournament in UA are only thanks to this lady!

If Yankuvoich is elected then you can say goodbye to Ukraine's sovereignty because he will make the country Russianized as he wants to make Russian an official language. Most of Eastern Ukraine, including Dontesk, will probably vote for him. Personally, i hope he doesnt win. We already have Russia to the north of us and i dont want them to the East of us.

Here ( http://www.cvk.gov.ua/vp2010/wp313pt001f01=700.html ) you can find the votes distribution over Ukraine regions. But that's, of course, in Ukrainian language. Page's Cyrillic coding is CP1251.

Of course, I hope that Tymoshenko will be elected. But there is also big probability that Yanukovich will be elected. It is because most thinking Ukrainian people are tired from politics.

You are right when you think if Yanukovich win, then Russia will be very close to European Union. Ukraine and European Union lost chance on more safe world, because Ukraine is not member of EU.

Wrocław have signed a contract with a new company - german Max Boegl. The construction will be continued on 100% in few weeks, now there will be a kind of "redecorating" the construction place.

^ Told you no worries regarding Wroclaw! :) This city would definately make it, no doubt! :cheers:

Wrocław has just signed a contract with a contractor of a temporary railway station.
It's going to cost about 1 mln €, and shall be finished and opened until the second half of march.
Passengers will be forced to use it for roughly two years - meanwhile of the renovation of Wrocław's Main Railway Station.
It seems that renovated Wroclaw Main Railway Station will be opened before Euro 2012.

This is how the temporary railway station is going to look:
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This is how the Wroclaw Main Railway Station is going to look:
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View from the Sucha Street
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Source: http://wroclaw.gazeta.pl

Yeah, The temporary one without any doubts isn't a masterpiece. As the name says it's just a "temporary station". xD

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Kyiv to open two-way traffic on Naberezhno-Rybalska road in 2010

Public corporation Kyivavtodor plans to open two-way traffic on Naberezhno-Rybalska Road, on the section between Naberezhno-Kreschatytska Street to Elektrykiv Street, with a bridge at the entrance to Havan in 2010, corporation director general Heorhii Hlynskyi has said.

He found it difficult to call a more particular date of the possible opening, saying this would depend on financing of the construction works from the 2010 city budget.

Hlynskyi called the corporation's 2010 priorities completion of rebuilding transport interchanges on Moskovska Square and on the intersection of Vozziednannia Avenue and Dniprovska Quay near the Paton bridge and also accomplishing construction of motor road in Zdolbunivska Street.

The corporation included provision of money for these projects in the budget enquiry for 2010.

As earlier reported, Kyivavtodor previously planned to open two-way traffic on Naberezhno-Rybalska Road in October 2009, then in December 2009.

In December 2007 Kyivavtodor opened one-way traffic (for vehicles running from Podil to Obolon) on Naberezhno-Rybalska Road.

Link (http://www.kyivpost.com/news/city/detail/57445/)

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Three companies to overhaul Boryspil-Lubny road section

Pivdenzakhidshliakhbud (Vinnytsia), which is a part of the Zoloti Vorota Corporation, Altkom (Donetsk) and Onur (Turkey) have won a tender to reconstruct the Boryspil-Lubny section of Kyiv-Kharkiv-Dovzhansk road.

According tothe State Service of Automobile Roads of Ukraine (Ukravtodor), official agreements with the companies have yet to be signed.

Ukravtodor plans to sign four contracts for reconstruction work, valued at $294.5 million, and two agreements on consultation on the technical supervision on the works, valued at $4 million.

According to earlier reports, Ukravtodor announced the preliminary selection of the companies bidding in the tender to reconstruct the Boryspil-Lubny section of the Kyiv-Kharkiv-Dovzhansk road at the beginning of November 2009.

The World Bank and Ukravtodor on April 21 signed an agreement on a loan of $400 million for the reconstruction of the abovementioned road section.

Link (http://www.kyivpost.com/news/city/detail/57453/)

I just hope that temporary won't became "permanent"...

haha, Chill. There is no option like this :)

The Main Wroclaw Railway station looks awesome!

Honestly, I don't even know what to say regarding Wroclaw Station - man, that would be a masterpiece in all senses!! :cheers:

Today the Polish Railways unveiled their plans for the Warszawa Centralna Railway Station. The 22 million zl (euro 6 million) renovation will include new lights, a new information system, they will also wash all the surfaces (floors,ceilings,walls). The vast majority of the advertisments will be eliminated. A brand new building will be built after Euro 2012.

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I once arrived at the Warsaw Station, let me tell you, no matter how much money they sink into this place, it is a fuckin dive that needs to be demolished pronto, throwing money into its rehabilitation is asinine at best, ludicrous at worst. Knock that motherfucker to the ground and let a phoenix rise from its ashes. It is the gateway to Warsaw, and the gateway is decrepit and non-indicative of the rest of this wonderful City. What a bunch of dim-witted politicians throwing gasoline on a burning fire that is sincerely a welcome flame to a destruction of repulsion and years gone by.

Agree!!^^

nonsense! Warszawa Centralna is a good modern architecture.It only needs renovation and modernization!

I once arrived at the Warsaw Station, let me tell you, no matter how much money they sink into this place, it is a fuckin dive that needs to be demolished pronto, throwing money into its rehabilitation is asinine at best, ludicrous at worst. Knock that motherfucker to the ground and let a phoenix rise from its ashes. It is the gateway to Warsaw, and the gateway is decrepit and non-indicative of the rest of this wonderful City. What a bunch of dim-witted politicians throwing gasoline on a burning fire that is sincerely a welcome flame to a destruction of repulsion and years gone by.

AMEN!!! :banana:

Personally, I don't like this building. It is indeed a ''not that bad'' example of modern architecure but it is not enough for Warsaw. This modernisation is needed to be done before Euro 2012, and it's just 6 milions euros so it's not a big waste of money. I just hope the communist-era PKP will choose a nice project, something representative of the capital of Poland!:)

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it seems one can hardly spot a ball from there

There's a lot of love in this thread. I can see why you guys decided to host this tournament together. :hug:

Your understanding of this situation can be easily explained because we Poles and Ukrainians love each other just like west Germans love Ossies :hug:
If there's true love among one nation so can be similar among two different, can't it Kampflamm :lol:

^^
I suppose this picture was taken with some special lens in order to grasp entire stadium, that is why relative distance shouldn't be taken too seriously

No matter how the Kharkiv looks from outside, it does look nice from inside, just a good capable stadium to host the tournament! :)
About Warszawa Centralna, finally something positve about that sad structure, though would be better if they demolished it and built a new station on that place.

nonsense! Warszawa Centralna is a good modern architecture.It only needs renovation and modernization!

Idea with rail track under ground is good. And Connection to everywhere is good. But interior & exterior is horrible. Maybe it was good 40 years ago. But this architecture in that case didn't passed "the time exam".

Very nice renders for Warszawa Centrala.

One more thing about the staff. Ticket selling ladies should at least learn english. This is kinda embarrassing, when foreingers torment themselves when they try to communicate. Everytime when I'm in that station, I see somebody doing translations (or I do it myself). During tourist season it goes like this:

Q: Hey, can I help translating?
A: Yeah, please. I'd like to (...)
A: Ok, thank you.

-then another person: Dude, can you help me too?

I even saw 3x combo once:D

But interior & exterior is horrible. Maybe it was good 40 years ago. But this architecture in that case didn't passed "the time exam".

We'll see after refrubrishment. Personally, I really like this buliding.

Very nice renders for Warszawa Centrala.

One more thing about the staff. Ticket selling ladies should at least learn english. This is kinda embarrassing, when foreingers torment themselves when they try to communicate. Everytime when I'm in that station, I see somebody doing translations (or I do it myself). During tourist season it goes like this:

Q: Hey, can I help translating?
A: Yeah, please. I'd like to (...)
A: Ok, thank you.

-then another person: Dude, can you help me too?

I even saw 3x combo once:D

We'll see after refrubrishment. Personally, I really like this buliding.

LOL!!! I know what you mean, I've been caught doing the same thing during the summer :lol:

Just a quick note, the A4 highway from the German border to Ukraine will be fully completed for EURO 2012. Today the construction of the section between Krakow (Szarow) and Tarnow has officially started. The highway is moving closer and closer to the eastern border.
Another section from the border (Korczowa) towards Rzeszow is already being built. :banana:
We have a huge boom in highway/road investments in Poland today:cheers:

I once arrived at the Warsaw Station, let me tell you, no matter how much money they sink into this place, it is a fuckin dive that needs to be demolished pronto, throwing money into its rehabilitation is asinine at best, ludicrous at worst. Knock that motherfucker to the ground and let a phoenix rise from its ashes. It is the gateway to Warsaw, and the gateway is decrepit and non-indicative of the rest of this wonderful City. What a bunch of dim-witted politicians throwing gasoline on a burning fire that is sincerely a welcome flame to a destruction of repulsion and years gone by.
Fantastic quote! I agree with this 100%. Warsaw's got a fantastic new airport so why not a brand new railway station?! Most tourists I think go through this station. The whole city's going through a construction boom (rightly so) and this fucking building is an eye sore downtown. In a couple more years it won't suit the landscape. If they can't afford to build something new then at least design a new exterior. It doesn't represent the city in any way and gives a creepy welcome at best. I heard rumors that after 2012 they want to maybe build a skyscraper there with the train station remaining underneath. Any truth to this? I think this would be a fantastic idea.

That is some significant news about German - Ukrainian borders road construction! I wonder, is Ukraine doing something on its side to connect to this road and extend that at least till Kyiv. Haven't seen updates from there for quite a while!

Visitors in Gdansk will benefit from GPS based system, LCD and LED screens are being installed all over the city's bus and tram stops.

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In 5 years Poland will be no different than Spain, Portugal or Greece in the infrastructure aspect. We're catching up to the west quick times :banana::banana::banana::banana:

Current Highway/Road state:

http://www.gddkia.gov.pl/images/user/3/3e5f618f066954087abcf541fa8ca84f.jpg

Black-existing
Orange-under construction
Green-tender process
Blue-agreement signed
Yellow-tender in 2010
White-preparation prosess

^^ Visit spanish infrastructure forum and edit your post:D Currently Spain has more motorways than Germany, plus great HST with is still growing btw.

"Donbass-Arena"

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4100/ironfelix69.2/0_35a29_6006d537_XL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/ironfelix69/view/219689/)
«"Донбасс-Арена" вечером» (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/ironfelix69/view/219689/) на Яндекс.Фотках (http://fotki.yandex.ru/)

Check this out: http://www.media-europoznan2012.pl/spacer/ (virtual tour of the stadium)
:eek2:

http://obrazy.2012.org.pl/images/stories/aktualnosci/2010styczen/2.jpg

why this little girl is holding such a big briefcase ?? shame on her father...

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1396/dwcentralnyperonypoczek.jpg

This will be probably the worst stadium on this tournament :<

Remember, this is the only stadium which wasn't designed for EURO in Poland, so no offence, it looks ok, I think at least better than Kharkiv, sorry..

Remember, this is the only stadium which wasn't designed for EURO in Poland, so no offence, it looks ok, I think at least better than Kharkiv, sorry..

Isn't only that small stand what's left off the pre Euro 2012 design?

^^ yes, it was built in 2004

I think at least better than Kharkiv, sorry..

no, it isn't (imho, ofcourse)

This will be probably the worst stadium on this tournament :<

thats absurd. it'll be the other way- you watch. It'll probably have one of the the best atmospheres in Europe.

no, it isn't (imho, ofcourse)

Sorry, but Kharkiv stadium looks like a one built in early 90's. It will be just outclassed by Poznań stadium.

indeed and it'll be half much bigger

Well, Poznan stadium will be just the most 'insidic' stadiums of all, that's for sure, so not the worst, each one is great in comparison!

New visualisation from Silesian Stadium ( Chorzów - Poland ) which is a reserve location.

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/6781/slaski1d.jpg
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/5808/slaski2d.jpg

Well, if ever Poland will organise World Cup then surely this stadium will take part !

Chorzów Śląski Stadium is much better than Kyiv Stadium. We don't even know if Kyiv Stadium will be completed.

Who cares about this stadium since this thread is about preparations to e2012, and this stadium has a separate thread...

I'd keep my eye on it, as I said I don't believe Kyiv Stadium will be ready on time.

Who cares about this stadium since this thread is about preparations to e2012, and this stadium has a separate thread...

so? all the other stadiums also have a separate threads, Silesian Stadium is a reserve arena and till final match in Kviv ends, this stadium is still in euro2012tournament.

Chorzów Śląski Stadium is much better than Kyiv Stadium. We don't even know if Kyiv Stadium will be completed.

Why much better? i dont see even one thing why it could be better

Why much better? i dont see even one thing why it could be better

Kyiv Stadium look like it would be designed by bunch of amateurs. Than there are enormous problems with construction as the main contractor doesn't know how to do it (I mean the roof)...no comment

but it is much bigger. eot

What amazes me is that both Kyiv and Chorzow stadiums look very similar! i mean the exterior and interior - both could organize athletic events, which is great especially for Poland as it's the only such kind modern stadium there! But no doubt Kyiv would look more impressive and will be widely recognised because the Olympic Stadium would be just the most importatnt sporting arena in Ukraine!

^^ don't forget about the stadium in Bydgoszcz, which was renovated one year ago. of course it is smaller and less spectacular structure, but it is official IAAF stadium ;)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Stadion_Zawiszy_Bydgoszcz_trybuna_B.jpg/800px-Stadion_Zawiszy_Bydgoszcz_trybuna_B.jpg

Kyiv Stadium look like it would be designed by bunch of amateurs. Than there are enormous problems with construction as the main contractor doesn't know how to do it (I mean the roof)...no comment

here is an answer:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=37952270#post37952270

& they've just started the construction of the roof. much more interesting roof than this one in Chorzow. btw- are they doing anything on Stadion Śląski?

Kyiv Stadium look like it would be designed by bunch of amateurs. Than there are enormous problems with construction as the main contractor doesn't know how to do it (I mean the roof)...no comment

I'm sure the stadium will be ready for Euro2012, which is still more than two years away. If we take a look at the construction of DonBass Arena, and where it was two years ago, it's a safe bet that it will be completed on time.

Both Olympijskiy and Slaski share the same type of post war architectural style (stadiums built on the cheap), and before Slaski was renovated earlier this decade, Olympijskiy was eons ahead in both functionality and design.

btw- are they doing anything on Stadion Śląski?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=318206&page=177

I'm sure the stadium will be ready for Euro2012, which is still more than two years away. If we take a look at the construction of DonBass Arena, and where it was two years ago, it's a safe bet that it will be completed on time.

Both Olympijskiy and Slaski share the same type of post war architectural style (stadiums built on the cheap), and before Slaski was renovated earlier this decade, Olympijskiy was eons ahead in both functionality and design.

In Ukraine with their mess and corruption you can not be sure if tomorrow everything won't just collapse. There is no plan, everything is just a huge improvisation and God only knows how it all is going to end there.

here is an answer:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=37952270#post37952270

& they've just started the construction of the roof. much more interesting roof than this one in Chorzow. btw- are they doing anything on Stadion Śląski?

Nothing is started, they just have shown some visualisaions, that's it. Yeah, the Kyiv Stadium roof is very interesting, especialy as the main contractor doesn't know how to build it - it has been chosen by political "support".

Nothing is started, they just have shown some visualisaions, that's it. Yeah, the Kyiv Stadium roof is very interesting, especialy as the main contractor doesn't know how to build it - it has been chosen by political "support".

:scouserd: you're high, or what? Construction of the roof started today.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505884&page=59

sorry, only on russian/ukrainian

:scouserd: you're high, or what? Construction of the roof started today.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505884&page=59

sorry, only on russian/ukrainian

As far as I remember, it had to be started in August 2009, isn't it?
Is the project of the stadium already finished??

Cut the crap already.

Yeah there has been too much of these pointless rants. Our stadium is better than yours, you won't manage to make it, you are poor etc etc. Just shove it people. We are doing Euro TOGETHER in the end.

No it's not, and no this stadium isn't "in euro2012tounament". Same as stadium in Bydgoszcz so stop with these offtopics ffs...

omg youre so stupid or youre just playin'? If Wrocław Stadium wont be ready for euro2012, uefa will pick Silesia or Kraków instead of him. So main news about those stadiums still can be writen in this thread.

You will all talk quite differently when Kyiv Stadium project will fail and we will have serious trouble to convince UEFA that we can do this EURO by ourselves. Be objective and ruthless for amateurs, corruption and ignorance. Other ways sooner or later WE will be victims of this situation.

In Ukraine with their mess and corruption you can not be sure if tomorrow everything won't just collapse. There is no plan, everything is just a huge improvisation and God only knows how it all is going to end there.

using appropriate language and a little more respect for our Ukrainian friends would be advised regarding your opinions; we have some issues as well, and concerning mess and corruption -take a look on PZPN and other institutions, maybe they're not corrupt but they don't work effective.

I understand that this forum is about plans and realizations on both Polish and Ukrainian side, so maybe let's stick to that in spite of talking about which stadium is better or has been designed by a bunch of amateurs - everybody has his own opinion about aesthetics - so let's keep it down.

Fisrt of all, watch your words boy. Second of all, eufa won't "pick Silesia or Kraków instead of him". They alread picked 4 hostcities and nothings gonna change...that's what platini said.


You still dont understand that Chorzów and Kraków are polish reserve stadiums and if whatever happens with stadium in Wrocław, Poznań, Gdańsk or Warszawa host cities in Poland will change.

You still dont understand that Chorzów and Kraków are polish reserve stadiums and if whatever happens with stadium in Wrocław, Poznań, Gdańsk or Warszawa host cities in Poland will change.

not really, Platini said if one of them is not ready than the other host cities get additional games

You still dont understand that Chorzów and Kraków are polish reserve stadiums and if whatever happens with stadium in Wrocław, Poznań, Gdańsk or Warszawa host cities in Poland will change.

You're from Kraków I guess. Am I right?

You must be some kind of patron of Ukraine..."Oh, don't say they are poor, or they have shitty infrastructure cause it's inpolite". Well, since we are talking about facts, how come it's inpolite? If he thinks like that, it is his right! Forum is a place where you can share your opinion with the world. And since both these countries are organizing this event, situation in Ukraine is important for Poland too (in some aspects), cause if Ukaine will fail, Poland will lose reputation in some way...Even tho if Poland will be prepered very well...

This thread is about P R E P A R A T I O N S for EURO2012, not about bullshit discussions about which and who is better or poorer.

If You want to continue with this crap make yourself a my-personal-opinion-on-Ukraine's-infrastructure-and-preparations-for-EURO2012-thread.
Im sure Warsawbynight and few others will be delighted to join.

Oh, nice, finally roof construction has begun on Kyiv Olympiyski Stadium! So, what's all the fuss about? Don't you see that Ukraine is doing work calmly and effectively, though not the best speed could..! Would be great to see some updates! :)

You must be some kind of patron of Ukraine..."Oh, don't say they are poor, or they have shitty infrastructure cause it's inpolite". Well, since we are talking about facts, how come it's inpolite? If he thinks like that, it is his right! Forum is a place where you can share your opinion with the world. And since both these countries are organizing this event, situation in Ukraine is important for Poland too (in some aspects), cause if Ukaine will fail, Poland will lose reputation in some way...Even tho if Poland will be prepered very well...

This is the root of the problem, your complexes. You think if the thing fails then people will put Poland and Ukraine together in one pile as corrupt, poor, useless countries that where not capable of organising it. Its actually people like you who are bad for the reputation.

I know there are severe differences between the two countries and in case something happens I am convinced people will be able to differentiate and be aware of what actually happened. You seem to have the typical eastern european paranoia of having to prove things. I'm also convinced you would be crying all the time if we would host it with Germany or something and they would complain how unorganised, inefficient and poor PL is.....

This thread is about P R E P A R A T I O N S for EURO2012, not about bullshit discussions about which and who is better or poorer.

If You want to continue with this crap make yourself a my-personal-opinion-on-Ukraine's-infrastructure-and-preparations-for-EURO2012-thread.
Im sure Warsawbynight and few others will be delighted to join.

thanks for speaking out the proper words, that's exactly how things are. :)

thanks for speaking out the proper words, that's exactly how things are. :)

I think you all have kinda problem. You overreacted at justified judgement of the situation in Ukraine. But that is your problem, not ours.

There are huge problems with Kiyv Stadium. You can contradict giving arguments, but when your only answer is some bullshit about complexes, sorry, there is no point to continue. Even Ukrainian's admit that the delay is very serious and lack of co-ordination affects ukrainian preparations severly.

This thread is about P R E P A R A T I O N S for EURO2012, not about bullshit discussions about which and who is better or poorer.

If You want to continue with this crap make yourself a my-personal-opinion-on-Ukraine's-infrastructure-and-preparations-for-EURO2012-thread.
Im sure Warsawbynight and few others will be delighted to join.

:applause:

There are huge problems with Kiyv Stadium. You can contradict giving arguments, but when your only answer is some bullshit about complexes, sorry, there is no point to continue. Even Ukrainian's admit that the delay is very serious and lack of co-ordination affects ukrainian preparations severly.

WE ALL KNOW THAT. Is it necessary to repeat the same stuff all the time ? Rather than reading for the 254th time that things are the way they are I'd like to know if the authorities do anything to catch up with the schedule.

WE ALL KNOW THAT. Is it necessary to repeat the same stuff all the time ? Rather than reading for the 254th time that things are the way they are I'd like to know if the authorities do anything to catch up with the schedule.

I have impression there is rather much more propaganda like "we are ok with the schedule" than serious thoughts about this problem. There were some articles where people strictly connected to ukrainian preparations claimed the authorities are trying to hide the problem..
We must realize that Kiyv Stadium is the key project for EURO 2012 and there is no margin for error.

Wroclaw to host second Euro parliament office in Poland (http://www.thenews.pl/international/artykul124420_wroclaw-to-host-second-euro-parliament-office-in-poland-.html)

The western city of Wroclaw will become the second Polish location for the European Parliament’s office, Polish MEPs decided.



Source: http://www.thenews.pl/international/artykul124420_wroclaw-to-host-second-euro-parliament-office-in-poland-.html

New train sets for Warsaw agglomeration. More to come.

Newag company from Nowy Sacz
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@Mods, guys, you should really overlook this thread attentively, I think there are few trolls here to warned at least, it seems they don't care that much about both-sides' development, rather about bashing and offending the other one! :ohno:

Mr MastaMarek = Ban :)

Those trains for Warsaw look beautiful. Are they already delivered? What will be the colors?

New terminal for Gdansk airport just got a go-ahead. Construction will start in coming weeks.

http://img.trojmiasto.pl/zdj/fotki/28700/z28768.jpg

I have impression there is rather much more propaganda like "we are ok with the schedule" than serious thoughts about this problem. There were some articles where people strictly connected to ukrainian preparations claimed the authorities are trying to hide the problem..
We must realize that Kiyv Stadium is the key project for EURO 2012 and there is no margin for error.

Take a chill pill my friend. I'm sure the stadiums will be finished in time, and your apocalyptic visions regarding the preperations of the stadia in Ukraine will become some Saharan mirage.

New terminal for Gdansk airport just got a go-ahead. Construction will start in coming weeks.

http://img.trojmiasto.pl/zdj/fotki/28700/z28768.jpg

Can you please provide the source of this information? If it is true, this is great news for Poland :cheers:
I can't find any info anywhere.

It seems Gdansk is making huge leap forward to be one of the most advanced and headmost Polish city! Great to see all this! :cheers:

There are major problems with the construction of the Stadium in Lwów. Apparently the city may loose the games to Dniepropetrowsk, which has a completed stadium. Judging by the photos on the ukrainian forum, not much is happening at the Lwów Stadium construction site.

Hey, Guys what's going on?
Facts quoted by Polish users about situation in Ukraine are based only on polish media.
They don't know anything about the real situation. They only copy "negativ propaganda" articles from Polish newspapers. Particulary Gazeta Wyborcza is a leader in creating image of Ukraine as a compeletely mess. Everyday I read sth like "Ukraine won't be on time", "Corrupion in Kyiv" or "Lack of money in Ukrainian budget". Grrr. They publicise bullshits! Where is their reliability?

Guys, lets concentrate on OURSELVES.

Those trains for Warsaw look beautiful. Are they already delivered? What will be the colors?

6 were delivered couple of years ago and 4 new ones will be delivered by June 2010.

Old
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/1/6013/z6013101X.jpg

New
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/1/7500/z7500741X.jpg


Both have new livery.

6 were delivered couple of years ago and 4 new ones will be delivered by June 2010.

Old
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/1/6013/z6013101X.jpg

New
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/1/7500/z7500741X.jpg


Both have new livery.

I wish we could call all the trains in Poland 'old' as shown above :) Anyway I DO hope it will change 'shortly' in our country.:banana:

It would be good if they bought the same trains for SKM in Tricity:(

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Lucky you to have such 'old' trains! :) It would be a miracle if Ukraine will purchase at least some of such kind, or maybe you could sell that to them cheaply as a sign of brotherhood!?

Great progress from Poznan. :cheers:

EURO 2012 qualifying draw approaches

Holders Spain will be among nine top seeds in the UEFA EURO 2012™ qualifying draw at the Palace of Culture and Science in Warsaw on 7 February (12.00CET).

Draw procedure
Nine groups will be formed in the qualifying draw including six sections of six sides and three of five, as teams chase 14 finals places alongside co-hosts Poland and Ukraine. The seeding pots are formed on the basis of the UEFA national team coefficient ranking system, finalised after the completion of FIFA World Cup qualifying, with the reigning European champions automatically top seeded. All groups will contain one nation from the first five pots and six sections will also include a team from Pot 6.

Qualifying competition
Sides in each group will play one another on a home-and-away basis, with qualifiers scheduled according to the international match calendar between September 2010 and October 2011. The nine winners and the runner-up with the best record against the teams first, third, fourth and fifth in their group qualify directly for the final tournament. The eight remaining runners-up contest play-off matches in November 2011.

Seeding pots
Pot 1: Spain (holders), Germany, Netherlands, Italy, England, Croatia, Portugal, France, Russia

Pot 2: Greece, Czech Republic, Sweden, Switzerland, Serbia, Turkey, Denmark, Slovakia, Romania

Pot 3: Israel, Bulgaria, Finland, Norway, Republic of Ireland, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Austria, Bosnia-Herzegovina

Pot 4: Slovenia, Latvia, Hungary, Lithuania, Belarus, Belgium, Wales, FYR Macedonia, Cyprus

Pot 5: Montenegro, Albania, Estonia, Georgia, Moldova, Iceland, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Liechtenstein

Pot 6: Azerbaijan, Luxembourg, Malta, Faroe Islands, Andorra, San Marino



Tender for EURO media rights launched

The tender process for the exploitation of UEFA EURO 2012™ media rights outside of Europe was launched on Friday and will run until 1 March.

Submit offers
The ex-European market has been split into various territories for which UEFA invites media companies, including broadcasters and agencies, to submit offers for the distribution and exploitation of the UEFA EURO 2012 media rights. The deadline for the receipt of offers is 12.00CET on 1 March.

Media content distributors
The media rights to UEFA EURO 2012 are marketed on a platform neutral basis in order to reflect media technology convergence and to offer media content distributors the possibility to exploit the tournament across multiple platforms. Although the deadline for pre-registration expired last week, qualified parties still interested in participating in the tender process should email euro2012mediabids@uefa.ch.

Criteria
Qualified broadcasters are media content distribution organisations, including local or pan-regional broadcasters and broadcasting unions, that have the appropriate infrastructure, reach, resources and strong financial standing to distribute UEFA EURO 2012™ programmes in the relevant countries.

Appropriate experience
Qualified agencies are agencies and other organisations (excluding broadcasting unions) that have appropriate, extensive and proven experience in the commercial exploitation of media rights to major sporting events, with strong financial standing, sufficient resources and suitably trained and experience personnel to market the media and related rights in the relevant territory and to provide the necessary rights delivery and account management services.

source: uefa.com

National Stadium, Warsaw:
03.II.2010:



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Aerial Shots of the Wroclaw Terminal Works:
http://e2012.eu/admin/inc/image.php?pid=1829&tid=1&location=self
http://e2012.eu/admin/inc/image.php?pid=1828&tid=1&location=self

Cool, it seems these are the first shots of Wroclaw airport new terminal, looking masssive for such city!
Btw, what's happening with Ukrainian airports? I think most of them are already T/O.

Btw, what's happening with Ukrainian airports? I think most of them are already T/O.

I think most of them are out of date along with infrastructure (roads mainly) ...I fell money are needed elsewhere but mainly for feeding debt of government. I believe that Euro 2012 going to be catastrophe in sense of promotion of Ukraine

^^

Termianal D, Boryspil International Airport, Kyiv

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Lviv International Airport, new terminal (Photo by Tushkan, ukrainian forumer from Lviv)


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http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l449/allitah/100_6043.jpg?t=1264407105

Літаки ще літають
http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l449/allitah/100_6044.jpg?t=1264407123

Також видно якусь активність ближче до вул. Кульпарківської
http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l449/allitah/100_6048.jpg?t=1264407210
http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l449/allitah/100_6047.jpg?t=1264407250
http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l449/allitah/100_6046.jpg?t=1264407268

Такі-то справи...
http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l449/allitah/100_6049.jpg?t=1264407290

Donetsk International Airport, new terminal

http://ostro.org/frmtext/ALTKOM/1.jpg

http://ostro.org/frmtext/ALTKOM/3.jpg

Kharkiv Internetional Airport, new terminal (Photos by ukrainian forumer Xarton)

http://s43.radikal.ru/i100/1001/6b/6c8d6580780e.jpg

http://i027.radikal.ru/1001/5d/4daaae1379ea.jpg

http://s61.radikal.ru/i172/1001/7d/59bbad4c8da3.jpg

http://s60.radikal.ru/i169/1001/ec/834da5f819e4.jpg

http://s11.radikal.ru/i184/1001/31/3df190b57de4.jpg

Any questions? :cheers:

Any questions? :cheers:

Are there any visualisations of Lviv terminal??

Sure:

^^

http://www.avianews.com/portal/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=34&func=wmark&oid=696


http://www.avianews.com/portal/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=34&func=wmark&oid=697


http://www.avianews.com/portal/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=34&func=wmark&oid=694


http://www.avianews.com/portal/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=34&func=wmark&oid=695


http://www.avianews.com/portal/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=34&func=wmark&oid=699


http://www.avianews.com/portal/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=34&func=wmark&oid=698

Not a Heathrow, but still not bad, as for me :cheers2:

^^
Any questions? :cheers:

nice pics :cheers:
I'm taking back what I have wrote here... Why I have to write a such text tosee photos from Ukraine? It should be updated here on regular basis..

Honestly, that's a good progress in aviation sense in Ukraine, so each host city is currently building and expanding its airport, didn't know that all of them could be still u/c! :cheers: Maybe, KruEv, you would make some other infrastructure overview soon as it's the way to prove that Ukraine is not such a backward country!

^^


http://s11.radikal.ru/i184/1001/31/3df190b57de4.jpg

Any questions? :cheers:

Really grat progress.:cheers:
I see that Ukraine has got more finished stadiums than Poland. Aviation infratstucture is improving very well. Don`t know what`s happening with roads.

Olympic Stadium, Kyiv

http://pressing.net.ua/pressing/UserFiles/Image/002/02.02.10/01.jpg

http://pressing.net.ua/pressing/UserFiles/Image/002/02.02.10/02.jpg

http://pressing.net.ua/pressing/UserFiles/Image/002/02.02.10/03.jpg

http://pressing.net.ua/pressing/UserFiles/Image/002/02.02.10/10.jpg

http://pressing.net.ua/pressing/UserFiles/Image/002/02.02.10/11.jpg

http://pressing.net.ua/pressing/UserFiles/Image/002/02.02.10/12.jpg

http://pressing.net.ua/pressing/UserFiles/Image/002/02.02.10/13.jpg

http://pressing.net.ua/pressing/UserFiles/Image/002/02.02.10/15.jpg

Lemberg(?) Stadium, Lviv
^^ The only city in which we have some huge problems

http://stadion.lviv.ua/upload/pub/lmr_photo/lmr_stad_photo1.jpg

http://stadion.lviv.ua/upload/pub/lmr_photo/lmr_stad_photo2.jpg

http://stadion.lviv.ua/upload/pub/lmr_photo/lmr_stad_photo3.jpg

http://stadion.lviv.ua/upload/pub/lmr_photo/lmr_stad_photo4.jpg

http://stadion.lviv.ua/upload/pub/lmr_photo/lmr_stad_photo5.jpg

http://stadion.lviv.ua/upload/pub/lmr_photo/lmr_stad_photo6.jpg

http://stadion.lviv.ua/upload/pub/lmr_photo/lmr_stad_photo7.jpg

http://stadion.lviv.ua/upload/pub/lmr_photo/lmr_stad_photo8.jpg

http://stadion.lviv.ua/upload/pub/lmr_photo/lmr_stad_photo9.jpg

http://stadion.lviv.ua/upload/pub/lmr_photo/lmr_stad_photo10.jpg

http://stadion.lviv.ua/upload/pub/lmr_photo/lmr_stad_photo11.jpg

Chernomorets Stadium, Odessa

http://www.chernomorets.odessa.ua/img/news/photos/3484_news_4.jpg?1
http://www.chernomorets.odessa.ua/img/news/photos/3484_news_6.jpg?1
http://www.chernomorets.odessa.ua/img/news/photos/3484_news_10.jpg?1
http://www.chernomorets.odessa.ua/img/news/photos/3484_news_22.jpg?2
http://www.chernomorets.odessa.ua/img/news/photos/3484_news_20.jpg?2
http://www.chernomorets.odessa.ua/img/news/photos/3484_news_27.jpg?1
http://www.chernomorets.odessa.ua/img/news/photos/3484_news_41.jpg?2
http://www.chernomorets.odessa.ua/img/news/photos/3484_news_44.jpg?1

Donbass Arena, Donetsk
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4067/4281936963_cf81936e42_b.jpg

Metallist Stadium, Kharkiv

http://www.ua-football.com/images/gallery/2009metallreport/2009metallreport/IMGP2626.JPG

http://www.ua-football.com/images/gallery/2009metallreport/2009metallreport/IMGP2609.JPG

http://www.ua-football.com/images/gallery/2009metallreport/2009metallreport/IMGP2611.JPG

http://www.ua-football.com/images/gallery/2009metallreport/2009metallreport/IMGP2621.JPG

www.euro2012.com
Check this out. The official site is growing up :)

Final preparations for the UEFA EURO 2012 Qualifying Draw in Warsaw (watch LIVE on this Sunday, 12:00 CET, more than 100 TV broadcasters around the world):

http://obrazy.2012.org.pl/images/stories/przygotowania_pkin/losowanie1.jpg

http://obrazy.2012.org.pl/images/stories/przygotowania_pkin/losowanie2.jpg

http://obrazy.2012.org.pl/images/stories/przygotowania_pkin/losowanie3.jpg

http://obrazy.2012.org.pl/images/stories/przygotowania_pkin/losowanie4.jpg

http://obrazy.2012.org.pl/images/stories/przygotowania_pkin/losowanie5.jpg

http://obrazy.2012.org.pl/images/stories/przygotowania_pkin/losowanie6.jpg

photos by PAP

http://www.ua-football.com/images/gallery/2009metallreport/2009metallreport/IMGP2611.JPG

http://www.ua-football.com/images/gallery/2009metallreport/2009metallreport/IMGP2621.JPG

Those Recaro seats on Kharkiv stadium must be very comfortable .:cheers: . For whom are they prepared ?

Lemberg(?) Syadium, Lviv
^^ The only city in which we have some huge problems

http://stadion.lviv.ua/upload/pub/lmr_photo/lmr_stad_photo1.jpg



Such problems Poland has had lately with Wrocław stadium, where there is 4 months delay with construction, so new building company was chosed to finish the stadium.

I`m amazed that Ukraine has got two finished stadiums so far.:) First polish stadium will be finished in Poznań in summer 2010, another stadiums will be rady in 2011. Problems may occure with Wrocław stadium.

Honestly, I am very impressed with progress on Chornomorets stadium in Odessa although it's not connected with EURO preparations. I have a question concerning Kyiv stadium: are all the works going there being done on schedule because seems that they still are doing some ground works..?

Honestly, I am very impressed with progress on Chornomorets stadium in Odessa although it's not connected with EURO preparations. I have a question concerning Kyiv stadium: are all the works going there being done on schedule because seems that they still are doing some ground works..?

they already have the beams to start the construction of the roofe. grounds are finished
http://video.untc.net/euro-2012/live.php?lang=en&cam=cam1&resol=1280x720 heres a link to webcams in kyiv and see the progress.
http://2012ua.net/news/fotonovina_rekonstrukcija_nsk_olimpijskij/2010-02-04-4303 and heres progress with some pics from the construction

Really grat progress.:cheers:
I see that Ukraine has got more finished stadiums than Poland. Aviation infratstucture is improving very well. Don`t know what`s happening with roads.

None knows about roads. There is even no consisent plan regarding fuure construction of motorways.Rail seems to be even more mysterious. According to Wikipedia the following high speed connections (upgrade to 200 kph) should be ready for 2012 but I highly doubt it, Kiev-Lvov, Kiev-Odessa,Kiev-Kharkov-Donetsk. There are no news whatsoever regarding these plans.

I love it :D Great images and very nice music. :cheers:

8sVwVlImN0o

^^ Thanks for posting it. It's the first time I could see it and I'm well impressed. They mixed so many good photos and the way it's done is so accurate. :banana:

it's cool

^^ Thanks for posting it. It's the first time I could see it and I'm well impressed. They mixed so many good photos and the way it's done is so accurate. :banana:

Did UEFA flood Kaliningrad Oblast on that map?:P

Some photos from draw in Warsaw:

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Photo/competitions/Draws/01/44/64/39/1446439_w2.jpg

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Photo/competitions/Draws/01/44/64/00/1446400_w2.jpg

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Photo/competitions/Draws/01/44/64/19/1446419_w2.jpg

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Photo/competitions/Draws/01/44/64/07/1446407_w2.jpg

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Photo/competitions/Draws/01/44/61/90/1446190_w2.jpg

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Photo/competitions/Draws/01/44/64/20/1446420_w2.jpg

Nice to see Guus Hiddink there! I wonder if if he will stay as a coach of Russian team by 2012.. But the hall looks superb, I didn't know this Stallinistic building could have such a masterpiece inside!

This hall is called Sala Kongresowa/Congress Hall. Official site (english version):

http://www.pkin.pl/sala_kongresowa/

Yeah, I know. I have realised yesterday they flooded it. Don't know really why. Anyway some Portuguese people were preparing it for us, maybe they didn't know there is some kind of small Russia above us :nuts: I dont think so they did just because they dont like it this country in some way.:nuts:

Can anybody give a link for the whole draw ceremony? With Audiofeels performance, Tusk speech and so on...Not the one from youtube from Slovenian TV...Please

^^http://hotfile.com/dl/27673120/f3ce010/Losowanie.Grup.Eliminacyjnych.Euro.2012.PL.DVBRip.XviD-ata.avi.html

Draw ceremony, Polish version

I love it :D Great images and very nice music. :cheers:

8sVwVlImN0o

That was fantastic! They did a great job highligthing the cities. :cheers:

OMG we look soooooo Soviet on that video(except for Lviv) comparing to the scenes they got rolling for Poland.:nuts: I think they could of picked better places for Kyiv to be in that video. There is a nice old part of Kyiv...as well as show some business skyscrapers.
I bet all males in that Congress Hall got a quick boner on 3:19...I did!:lol: Poland was looking good in that video no doubt!

^^ it was not bad :) But I think that they should show less monuments in Ukraine with maybe more modern buildings, I am sure that you have something to show in that part :) They could show Donbass Arena, but it could disturb the presentation, which showed only cities, not the stadium part

I didn't like Warsaw in this presentation. I'd prefer more of our modern skyline, especially at night.

Well, I think it's pretty obvious that the video was done by Polish, so that Poland is shown just the best way, only the best places of each city but the most beauty of Ukrainian cities wasn't shown even a bit, some few monuments but nothing more, such a pity they didn't find all these four cities attractive..

Well, I think it's pretty obvious that the video was done by Polish, so that Poland is shown just the best way, only the best places of each city but the most beauty of Ukrainian cities wasn't shown even a bit, some few monuments but nothing more, such a pity they didn't find all these four cities attractive..

Someone few posts above said it was done by Portuguese.

Triceratops, I live in Wrocław since I was born and I'd replace some views with other, better ones. The best example is with the fountain at the end of Wrocław's presentation. Don't you think that few seconds of this illumination would show bigger potential of it?

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Triceratop, this video was done in last summer by UEFA, not by Polish.

Kharkiv and Donetsk are simply unattractive for tourists, they really looks soviet, not only in that video but in reality too (Odessa, instead of one of them would be much better). In fact Kyiv have much more to offer than roofs of churchs.

Well, I think it's pretty obvious that the video was done by Polish, so that Poland is shown just the best way, only the best places of each city but the most beauty of Ukrainian cities wasn't shown even a bit, some few monuments but nothing more, such a pity they didn't find all these four cities attractive..

Haha, u wish. Triceratops it wasnt done by Poles only by external team hired by UEFA. i remember the article with a video from trojmiasto.pl describing the situation when camera operators came to Gdansk to make 30 s spot and they were well-impressed. they thought they would see crappy, ruined buildings, no shopping centres and no infrastrure. So the way they did just express what they saw, even they added a little bit of Sopot- sister city of Gdansk and its pier . I will try to fin this video and just in case put it on forum :)

Well, I think it's pretty obvious that the video was done by Polish, so that Poland is shown just the best way, only the best places of each city but the most beauty of Ukrainian cities wasn't shown even a bit, some few monuments but nothing more, such a pity they didn't find all these four cities attractive..

Haha, u wish. Triceratops it wasnt done by Poles only by external team hired by UEFA. i remember the article with a video from trojmiasto.pl describing the situation when camera operators came to Gdansk to make 30 s spot and they were well-impressed. they thought they would see crappy, ruined buildings, no shopping centres and no infrastrure. So the way they did just express what they saw, even they added a little bit of Sopot- sister city of Gdansk and its pier . I will try to fin this video and just in case put it on forum :)

Aww and sorry for the mistake. Apparently Portuguese prepered logo for us but British definitely were filming in Gdansk. I suppose they were the same EUFA team filming in other host cities.

^^ This is the proof:
http://fakty.interia.pl/news/uefa-kreci-film-o-gdansku,1356107,4539

Szefem grupy pochodzących z Anglii filmowców, na stałe pracujących dla UEFA, jest William Morris. Ekipa zdjęciowa była już na Ukrainie i w innych polskich miastach organizatorach mistrzostw.

in ukrainian lang.:
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&sl=pl&tl=uk&u=http://fakty.interia.pl/news/uefa-kreci-film-o-gdansku,1356107,4539&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhjcGnwI_RJUU5PUFD8ql4V3fEADtw

Ok, but that doesn't make any difference for the potential tourists as they would still think that there is nothing to see in all the four cities because of that video director, strange that they didn't at least looked through a guide, that could've improved the futher impression for everyone..! Btw, why weren't any visualizations of the stadiums shown, as well as new motorways and airports? This is the way of increasing the country's rating!

Terminal D in Kyiv
http://mtu.gov.ua/repository/media/615/original_6acc139e2819f70aff8ee5fb7b8f49c3.jpg
http://mtu.gov.ua/repository/media/615/original_8761e8cc856087ff2f0c2ba1f6e5f9f5.jpg

Terminal F in Kyiv
http://mtu.gov.ua/repository/media/615/original_23bdcff39aaf88b4940726dfe79853d2.jpg
http://mtu.gov.ua/repository/media/615/original_a0a33eed83e46e39a3efa97b5834010b.jpg

Reconstruction B in kyiv
http://mtu.gov.ua/repository/media/615/original_49357ddae58820e7d122a7147bbfa101.jpg

aeroport in Donetsk
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/6860/00000005.th.jpg (http://img535.imageshack.us/i/00000005.jpg/)

Ok, but that doesn't make any difference for the potential tourists as they would still think that there is nothing to see in all the four cities because of that video director, strange that they didn't at least looked through a guide, that could've improved the futher impression for everyone..!...
I agree with You. Movie makers did great job in Poland, but just "average" in Ukraine.

Oh right, so first of all. I'm quite happy the way they showed us-a little bit of everything. I think they were well prepared for the job they did cause they spent 3 days in Gdansk looking for the best video shots, so probably they did the same thing in Ukraine. I have never been to this country so I can't say anything if it was done in an accurate way. Maybe they couldn't find anything interesting so that's why they filmed as they did.
I don't get you guys why you would like stadiums to appear in that presentation. Before every single match they are going to show hosting city)as on the film), so what is the point to show i.e. Warsaw Stadium project while in a sec they will see (as it usually is) air view from helicopter with all these lights and crowd and so on... That's gonna be impressive! :banana:

Ahh..
Our beauty Lwów...
What a pity that it doesn't belong to us anymore :(

And lets just stop at this point ;)


I can't say much about Donetsk and Kharkiv since they still even till today got Lenin movements left untouched comparing to West and part of Center Ukraine. Although there is a small part of Kharkiv very they got older buildings as well as those old road's with rocks(like Lviv). In my opinion they at least could off played that for 4-5 sec. As for Kyiv, like I mentioned in my previous post, they could of found better spots in Kyiv than that crap..in fact I my self would make a better crappy video showing Kyiv's attraction comparing to this assholes. And FOR SURE some(if not all) how watched that in that hall saw what its like to go to Ukraine...lack of interest, which is kinda BS because there is lots of places that are nice like Pher said, he liked Kyiv. And who wouldn't when almost all of the money goes there, you won't see a lot of Volga's on the streets, what you will see is some Lamborghinis or Ferraris pulling into some Casino.
If my city could of hosted Euro then it would look similar to Lviv in the video but that's only dreams because with 380K people, only 1 three star hotel and a soviet working airport which reopened in 2008 after 13 years of sleepness but still no flights what so ever.....yeaaaa in that part we lag soviet for sure and who knows wtf the new guy that we just elected as new presedent is going to do..invest into everybody or just his home region Donbass.?

This promo shows how these cities really looks like. So could you stop embellishing, and start describing/seeing things as they really are?

Platini? is that You?
I know how does Kyiv look like . and I think they could made Promo it bit beter. Its my opinion.
Vid is OK!

Yep, asotUA, seems that your new representative of oligarchs wouldn't care that much about rest Ukraine, just for his Eastern part, although thus we can be sure at least about Kharkiv and Donetsk! :) On the other hand, as he answered the question about where would he get the finances regading his planned projects - he'll take it from his locker, I think that it's possible the the money would also be pumped into Lviv and Kyiv, that's his campaign - to unite Ukraine after all!

^^

What's wrong with pumping a little bit more finances into Kharkov and Donetsk, Kiev is the capital after all, it has already a lot of construction projects and will also have. The streets of Kiev have changed quite a bit since the Soviet Union's collapse. Kharkov and Donetsk still resemble for the most part Soviet cities( a lot of old drab commies, rather bad infrastructure etc). So, some additional financing would not hurt them a bit at all.

Another thing, I do hope Kiev's athorities are going to change tram cars in their city because right now Kiev's trams look very awful, much much awful then under the Soviet rule.

But overall, I do wish the Ukraine would refit itself so that the Euro 2012 is held brilliantly. I am going to visit the Ukraine during the Euro tournament, that's for sure.

^^

What's wrong with pumping a little bit more finances into Kharkov and Donetsk, Kiev is the capital after all, it has already a lot of construction projects and will also have.

The problem is that there is no money. Very simple.

very very good promo for Poland-Ukraine 2012
especially Poland/Ukraine cities looks due historical and geopolitical reasons different

btw - Ukraine VISA issue with other European countries and especially EU? do we need apply for them in advance?

and congrats to new president way better than that 50 years old barbie

and congrats to new president way better than that 50 years old barbie

He is an idiot. really. He dont know how to say a simple sentence. She would destroy him on debate.
This 50 year old barbie was wanted in all Europe except Russia.

We will see. He promised a lot.

He is an idiot. really. He dont know how to say a simple sentence. She would destroy him on debate.
This 50 year old barbie was wanted in all Europe except Russia.

We will see. He promised a lot.

Exactly. He is the opposite of Tymoszenko. What he wants is more co-operation with Russia. He wants to make Russian an official language of Ukraine. We already have Russia to the north of us and i dont want them to the South-east of us...

I just hope he doesnt screw anything up and makes Ukraine a better country and joins NATO and the EU.

Ukraine don't need and want NATO. NATO can't invite Ukraine while one has so strong connections with Russia.

EU is not rich enough at the moment to invest hundreds of billion euros into Ukraine. EU has some financial issues with crisis, Poland, Romania and Bulgaria. So I'm sure we'll wait couple years for Ukraine in EU.

BTW - are we talking about Euro 2012 preps or about politics?

Ukraine don't need and want NATO. NATO can't invite Ukraine while one has so strong connections with Russia.

EU is not rich enough at the moment to invest hundreds of billion euros into Ukraine. EU has some financial issues with crisis, Poland, Romania and Bulgaria. So I'm sure we'll wait couple years for Ukraine in EU.

BTW - are we talking about Euro 2012 preps or about politics?

First, there is no 'crisis' in Poland. We are the only nation in Europe which is not in a crisis. Poland is recording an economic growth, while the rest of Europe is in a recession.

Second, we will not wait 'a couple of years for Ukraine in the EU'. If they are ever accepted into the EU, it will not be earlier than 2020-2025.

Poland is not any problem for EU. It's a model country for other's, the one to follow, I'd rather say. EOT

^ I'm sorry but there's a crisis in Poland...Whole Europe is in crisis tho. Thing is that only Poland have GDP growth..."This year Poland is bound to be the only European country to experience GDP growth - say experts from "The Economist". The country ranked 6th among economies in the world."
http://www.globalpost.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/medium/photos/10/Poland_01_04_09_Economy.jpg

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/poland/100104/poland-economy-economic-growth

Ranked 6th in Europe, in world its 18th, but yes Poland is the healthiest economy in Europe.

Please read my post carefully. There is a COMA between crisis and Poland. It means that EU has problem with crisis AND with new countries. Why new countries? Because it costs a lot to develop as big country as Poland (like Spain) to EU level of infrastructure. Poland is main participant of cohesion funds until 2012. After that it will be needed to 'pump' as much money in Bulgaria and Romania.

, so at the moment EU has simply no money to absorb a country bigger than Poland, poorer than Poland in 2005 and country with worse infrastructure than Poland in 2005. That's why it was decided to not connect Ukraine before 2020.

If we are talking about crisis, and 'green' area at map of Europe... its not as much important as you think. -2.0% of 30.000 is still much more than +1.5% of 10.000 ;)

EOT for me.

^ I'm sorry but there's a crisis in Poland...Whole Europe is in crisis tho. Thing is that only Poland have GDP growth..."This year Poland is bound to be the only European country to experience GDP growth - say experts from "The Economist". The country ranked 6th among economies in the world."

http://www.globalpost.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/medium/photos/10/Poland_01_04_09_Economy.jpg

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/poland/100104/poland-economy-economic-growth

I love this map :banana::banana: There was always talk about Poland becoming the second Ireland, which experienced huge economic growth after EU access, in Europe. Well there it is ... a green island in Europe :lol: We have our new Ireland, though the present-day condition of the Irish economy is not healthy.

Poland economy is a big mystery for both Europe and the world! How come are you surviving times when even economy of Germany is down for more than 4%?! Really amazing considering that fact that it is a former communist country!

Btw, what's happening with the financial conditions of Ukraine? Any news on what is to be done in the nearest time regarding the infrastructure especially? I think the new president should at least propose something, otherwise it would be clear that he's another corupt high politician..

If we are talking about crisis, and 'green' area at map of Europe... its not as much important as you think. -2.0% of 30.000 is still much more than +1.5% of 10.000 ;)

EOT for me.

Yes, but it's + 2 % for 18 000 $,and not 10 000 $.

Poland economy is a big mystery for both Europe and the world! How come are you surviving times when even economy of Germany is down for more than 4%?! Really amazing considering that fact that it is a former communist country!
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Poland's econmy does surprises economists all over the world indeed :cheers:

Poland's econmy does surprises economists all over the world indeed :cheers:

:cheers: + litlle help from IMF credit line

:cheers: + litlle help from IMF credit line

Really ? How much did we spend ?

:cheers: + litlle help from IMF credit line

we didnt neede it.

Wroclaw railway station to be modernized. Budimex won the tender, cost - 320 milion PLN. Works should start in March and everything will be finished before Euro2012.

http://www.rynek-kolejowy.pl/images/upload/plac_0(1).jpg

http://www.rynek-kolejowy.pl/images/upload/pawilon_poludniowy_0(1).jpg

:cheers: + litlle help from IMF credit line

Poland (like for example Mexico) has access to over $20 billion credit line from IMF but didn't use it;)

Ukraine don't need and want NATO. NATO can't invite Ukraine while one has so strong connections with Russia.


If they wont return nuclear missles (They're thinking about it, but it cossts about 200mln$ per year). They need to! Ukraine will never be neutral country, It never was.

http://www.rynek-kolejowy.pl/images/upload/pawilon_poludniowy_0(1).jpg
Will they also built this part?? I thought that the tender was only for renovation of old railway station.

Poland economy is a big mystery for both Europe and the world! How come are you surviving times when even economy of Germany is down for more than 4%?! Really amazing considering that fact that it is a former communist country!


big internal market, our economy is not as dependent on exports as is the Czech Rep.

big internal market, our economy is not as dependent on exports as is the Czech Rep.
Exactly. Poland has a diversified economy. Poles were also encouraged to buy Polish products.

I don't know excatly how it looks like in other polish cities but in the place where I live- in Opole there is a big problem with a job loss last year due to the crisis so I wouldn't say that our economy is so brilliant ;)

And there is one more thing that stimulates Poland for sure - infrastructure construction all over the country, EURO preparations are pulling country out from the financial difficulties! Strange why Ukraine can't benefit from the same?!

^^answer is simple - lack of money.

PGE ARENA GDANSK:
February
http://www.bieg2012.pl/klik/KlikFiles/zalaczniki/luty.jpg

And there is one more thing that stimulates Poland for sure - infrastructure construction all over the country, EURO preparations are pulling country out from the financial difficulties! Strange why Ukraine can't benefit from the same?!


the championships will have an impact on economy tourist section but in 2012, when we can expect fans and hools coming into our country. the roads etc would be build anyways. talking about hotels, polish state do not build hotels, it's decision of commercial institution. the stadiums are build for money coming from polish budget. there is no such thing like eu stadium policy :)
portugal build 10 stadiums and didn't become the main engine of eu economy!

And there is one more thing that stimulates Poland for sure - infrastructure construction all over the country, EURO preparations are pulling country out from the financial difficulties! Strange why Ukraine can't benefit from the same?!


One stadium costs not more that 15-25 km of motorway. Currently, Poland is building a lot of motorways and express roads. Such investition is financed in 50-80% by EU. It is a lot of money. Sometimes Poland dont have money to finance 20-50% of costs. Ukraine is not in EU unfortunaletely...

In Poland I can see a crisis but it is not recesion. Our situation is rather good becouse we dont have an EURO. Goverment made our currency very weak so that exporters have the same money even though they sell less products.
We dont need to import a lot of products . Only petrol and gasoline, but becouse of crisis... it is not expensive.

As far as the Polish economy is concerned its success is a confluence of several factors:

1. EU donations being spent wisely.
2. Sensible economic reforms.
3. Euro 2012 preparations.
4. Devaluation of the zloty was a perfect shock absorption that made the country's exports competitive when the crisis set in in 2008.

http://www.globalpost.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/medium/photos/10/Poland_01_04_09_Economy.jpg
What does "b.d" means for Moldova and Belarus and Balkans, Bad Data or Badly Doomed:D? How are the numbers for Estonia and Latvia? Sorry for off-top, just wanted to know.

^^ b.d means "brak danych" - no data ;)

NSC Olympiysky, Kyiv:

3 hours in 37 seconds :nuts:

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Video by ukrainian forumer tov_tob (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?u=495357)

How are the numbers for Estonia and Latvia? Sorry for off-top, just wanted to know.

You'd better didn't know that as these numbers can make you shocked, almost same as Lithuania.. :nuts:


Back to topic: cool vid of Kyiv stad! So the activity there doesn't calm down even though it looks as if they completely lag behind the schedule!

Kyiv stadium looks like the same like some months ago.

Amazing progress in Gdansk after 7 months:

June 2009
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1563/gdanskaktualny1024.jpg

February 2010
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/147/gdansk150220101200.jpg

And aerial photo:

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4593/lutyl.jpg

Great progress from Gdansk :applause:

It's gonna look awesome once it's done. It will be the nicest stadium for Euro 2012 and can compete with Warsaw's one in Poland :D

^^Wrocław is also not so bad. And it will have only 1 tier stand:D

All's you gotta do in Gdańsk now is get cracking with the airport terminal :lol:
The official docs with the contractor are to be signed on February 24th.
:banana::banana: Then construction works start!

Kyiv stadium looks like the same like some months ago.
yeah...its so strange.

Recently there was an architectual competition for the development of the airport.

The project that won was by estudio lamela, the Spanish architects included a new passenger terminal which will contain 23 000 m2 in 4 levels. All the buildings of the airport: terminals, hotel, multilevel parking and train station are connected by designed foot bridge, located on level +1, entering to the terminal to main hall and retail gallery. The airport will also get a new road connecting it to the city. The costs are meant to be in the region of 60mln euros

-A new passanger terminal (4million Pax)
-3*hotel (200 rooms)
-Footbridge
-Multistory carpark
- New train station
The new project should be complete by the end of 2011.

http://www.lamela.com/DEPOT/fotos/0453_-_tpr_-_foto%20que%20no%20quiere%20entrar%20en%20web%20ancha.jpg
http://www.lamela.com/DEPOT/fotos/0453_-_tpr_-_fm-2%20web2.jpg
http://www.lamela.com/DEPOT/fotos/0453_-_tpr_-_bd-zx%20web2.jpg
http://www.lamela.com/DEPOT/fotos/0453_-_tpr_-_yw2%20web2.jpg
http://www.lamela.com/DEPOT/fotos/0453_-_tpr_-_pd-xj%20web2.jpg


Good morning,

This project looks pretty nice.

Just one question, do you know if the construction of the train station terminal has been also assigned to STUDIO LAMELA? and do you know which is the status of this train station terminal?
I heard that at the same time, they are upgrading the main train station of krakow in order to be prepared for the Eurocup? do you know who is the arquitect for this upgrading?

Regards

^ No wonder they are constructing new central station terminal in Krakow, they are still so willing to get the opportunity to be a host city if any other would fail..! Though, IMO they don't spend money in the right way now as it is more than clear that they wouldn't host a single match, so what for they put out such huge sums of money atm as all this wouldn't pay off in the nearest time!?

^^Krakow airport is already too small. It's second aiport in Poland after Warsaw. Expansion of Krakow aiport was planned long time ago but they had problems with land for investition (Army was owner).

That´s pretty nice, such a nice developement.

Do you know how is the construction of the train terminal so far? is it already finsih? and the arquitect is also estudio lamela or is there any other arquitect?

I was taking a look to several websites and I saw that there will also be a developement in the main station of krakow ( the krakow Glowny). Do you know who is the arquitect for this developement?

Regards

^ No wonder they are constructing new central station terminal in Krakow, they are still so willing to get the opportunity to be a host city if any other would fail..! Though, IMO they don't spend money in the right way now as it is more than clear that they wouldn't host a single match, so what for they put out such huge sums of money atm as all this wouldn't pay off in the nearest time!?

So is it the Glowny station the one that is being developed now? and does anybody now who is going to do the construction and who is the arquitect?

Regarding to the train station terminal of the airport, what I have read below is that the project has been delayed due to legal problems with the land, right?

Thank you to everybody

Regards

Two very important airport updates from Poland:

1)Gdansk airport terminal works got a green light, construction agreement being signed with Budimex on wednesday and after this, works start:banana:

2)Warsaw terminal 2 works start in March as the agreement with Hochtief was signed on friday. The construction works will include the erection of the central pier as well as the complition of pier 'south'. This long delayed investment will increase the number of air bridges at the Warsaw airport to 27and the number of departure gates to 45.:banana:

Just an interesting fact as well, currently we have passenger terminals being built in the following cities:

Warsaw
Łódz
Wrocław
Gdańsk
Modlin (should start in spring 2010):cheers:

^ Oh, that looks just great, finally all the Polish host cities are improving their last black spots! Maybe some updates? :)

^ Oh, that looks just great, finally all the Polish host cities are improving their last black spots! Maybe some updates? :)

What black spots ? These terminals are in addition to already existing modern terminals.