Maurycy, you really believe that A2 from Warsaw to the border will be ready by 2012? Actually the stretch from Siedlce to the border will probably never be built - maybe only as one-lane expressway.
The same question with A4 from Tarnow to the border. I am really in doubt.

May I know how long are the highways in Ukraine? How many kms is it?

It's not so easy. A lot of Ukrainian intercity roads are 1x4 lanes with grade crossings, or even 2x2 with medians but still with grade crossings. Not really what we call a motorway in Western Europe.

But it does the job in the Ukraine, since traffic volumes are very low outside the cities.
But i am also wondering which roads are up to western motorway standards.

^^ Not many roads are up to the standart, Kyiv-Odesa, Kyiv-Boryspil, Kyiv-Chenihiv, Donetsk-Dnipropetrovsk. And now several more are under construction, including Kyiv-Chop, which streches al the way to Hungarian border. Also Lviv-Luhansk is about to start, which will go from west to East, possibly the longest motorway (within a country) in Europe.

But to be honset i don't see why roads joining Poland/Ukraine are such a problem. i mean a drive from Krakow to Lviv is ok, same for Kyiv-Kharkiv. But you have to be crazy to drive from Gdansk to Donetsk. Plane will be the top option, but train will cost cheaper and will be faster than drive.

Here is a map of Mororways in Ukraine for Euro 2012. Posted by user .Doc

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5843/eroadsukrainept2.jpg

^^ Not motorways, but also ordinary roads. You would have to be crazy to tell me that Ukraine will have such a motorway network by 2012

^^ Not motorways, but also ordinary roads. You would have to be crazy to tell me that Ukraine will have such a motorway network by 2012

I think even old USSR leaders would say that is impossible:):)

I keep one's fingers crossed for Ukraine and Poland.
I believe for our coutries. Will be good !!!
presently (by Bastard from Forum Polskich Wieżowców)
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3106/drogi2007oc0.jpg

^^ Not motorways, but also ordinary roads. You would have to be crazy to tell me that Ukraine will have such a motorway network by 2012

That map is representing E-roads in Ukraine, not necessarily motorways.

That map is representing E-roads in Ukraine, not necessarily motorways.
Of course, but the author said motorways

Let's say i hope this will be the motorway system in the future. But that will take decades, although Euro 2012 is speeding things up.

(...) grade crossings (...)

do you mean one level intersections ? or really crossings (rail-road)? or both?

It's not so easy. A lot of Ukrainian intercity roads are 1x4 lanes with grade crossings, or even 2x2 with medians but still with grade crossings. Not really what we call a motorway in Western Europe.

But it does the job in the Ukraine, since traffic volumes are very low outside the cities.
But i am also wondering which roads are up to western motorway standards.

I meant real motorways with no crossings, traffic lights and so on.
Pardon my importunateness, but I still can't find out the length of Ukrainian existing highways and those UC.

Maurycy, you really believe that A2 from Warsaw to the border will be ready by 2012? Actually the stretch from Siedlce to the border will probably never be built - maybe only as one-lane expressway.
The same question with A4 from Tarnow to the border. I am really in doubt.

A4 will be ready for Euro for sure, there may be some problems with A2 Warsaw-the border but I guess we'll tackle it as well.

I don't think that not having crossings and traffic lights is a priority in Ukraine when it comes to building inter-city roads. Such precautions are only necessary with extreme amount of traffic. So I have no idea which roads are built with these standards and which aren't.

Are traffic jams a problem in Kiev yet?

Of course, in the cities it's all bad, not bad like in Mexico City, Moscow etc. but bad enough to waste a lot of time - that's why the new ring road is being built to keep the transit traffic away from the city, but inter-city roads don't have that much traffic, apart from kyiv-boryspil of course.

But crap like this happens from time to time. Though in Kyiv the problem will partially be solved by building lots of underground tunnels and expanding convenient public transport.
http://i.io.com.ua/img_aa/large/0092/00921950.jpg

Metalist City, Kharkiv. Posted by Aleg in Ukrainian Forum.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t208/Aleg_1989/5-2.jpg

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I have counted 38 flours on those babies! :banana:

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Airport in Kharkiv. Also posted by Aleg.

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For those who don't know, Metalist is the football club that owns this stadium.

The airport and sport-complexes, hotel complexes are going to be amazing in Kharkiv, I'm assuming the local authorities want to make Kharkiv one of the main cities and not just a reserve city/stadium. And it makes sense, a city with almost 2 million inhabitants, a 3-line subway network, big stadium.

Better watch this video. It's a whole mini-city for the tourists! Must be some kind of record in Europe (or the world) for the scale of preparations for a reserve city :)
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okay... can anyone tell me why often reserve cities are making such'a campaigns ? Is there any sense putting (often) national money in reserve stadiums and cities? if there are winner those cities should grab all benefits possible. it is better to have 5 great stadiums and cities, than to have 8 average... if you know what i mean.

Metalist City though is fu**ing awesome... similar to Dubai Megaproject invention, but probably less money can be spent on it ;)

The money spent will most likely come from the local football club (which is building the stadium with their own money too) and they will utilize all of these hotels and recreation complexes after the Euro too, as this will be one of the major Ukrainian stadiums (in top-5 perhaps). So a lot of people from other ukrainian cities will be making their trips here anyway, plus international matches and so on.

Metalist stadium today (august 25th)
http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1188038132_img_3138.jpg

http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1188038077_img_3131.jpg

http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1188038163_img_3142.jpg

Is Poland ready for the UEFA Euro inspection?

They're giving 3-1 odds it won't be done.

If i was a betting guy i'd bet no it won't be ready. There is just too much to get done. The warsaw stadium complex alone is huge, let alone the other staidums, hotels and highways.

El Vampiro Ucraniano, I don't wanna be rude but IMO those projects are awful, architecture is terrible & renderings look like beein made by 12 yo kids :ohno:

It's clearly a conceptual rendering, done in a hurry to present to the officials as soon as possible. As to the architecture, I disagree entirely, looks fantastic, like something from the forerunners of modern architecture (Dubai, east Asia) and not just mimicking western European conservative styles.

El Vampiro Ucraniano, I don't wanna be rude but IMO those projects are awful, architecture is terrible & renderings look like beein made by 12 yo kids :ohno:

The reason for that is that those pictures are screenshots from this video. And as to architecture, i disagree, personally i like them.


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actual visualizations of Poznan Municipal Stadium


http://www.poznan.pl/mim/public/galerie/new_pictures.html?co=show2&parent=14245&instance=1080&id=19696&lang=pl&allId=19693,19694,19695,19696
http://www.poznan.pl/mim/public/galerie/new_pictures.html?co=show2&parent=14245&instance=1080&id=19695&lang=pl&allId=19693,19694,19695,19696
http://www.poznan.pl/mim/public/galerie/new_pictures.html?co=show2&parent=14245&instance=1080&id=19694&lang=pl&allId=19693,19694,19695,19696
http://www.poznan.pl/mim/public/galerie/new_pictures.html?co=show2&parent=14245&instance=1080&id=19693&lang=pl&allId=19693,19694,19695,19696

^^^ I dont like it, looks very heavy compared to other stadiums.

I don't fancy this one also, previous was far better

why oh why they aren't using cladding from last visualizations :ohno:

other renders of new proposal:
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/4342/stadionzb2.jpg

BTW: where did my previous post go ?

3,500 police officers in Lviv begin English language courses
http://ua.korrespondent.net/main/82138/

From Donetsk by our forumer DrPass
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/DrPass/Donetsk2007/P9010016.jpg

other renders of new proposal:
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/4342/stadionzb2.jpg

BTW: where did my previous post go ?

It seems to be a large circus tent

unfortunately i need to agree with you... I don't fancy this proposal as I mentioned before.... that is NOT final one 4 sure as far as I know the design team :]

unfortunately i need to agree with you... I don't fancy this proposal as I mentioned before.... that is NOT final one 4 sure as far as I know the design team :]

what does it mean? the team can afford a better design or the team has still no idea of what the stadium will look like

^^ looks alright to me

More from Donetsk:

Already looking enormous and beautiful
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0807/16.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0807/12.jpg

closing in on the other side too
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0807/1.jpg

The second truss of the roof is installed at the construction of the new Shakhtar’s stadium. The third one is assembled on the ground and prepared for installation, and other five arrived to the port of Mariupol.

There are 12 trusses in total will be used for the roof. 4 of them are wide trusses, they approximately 1,5 times wider then the others and weigh almost 350 tons, whereas narrow trusses weigh 250. One of the wide double trusses is assembled on the ground and prepared for installation. Wide trusses will be installed on top of double cores which separate north, ease, south and west sections from each other.

After the second truss installed the space frame section of Mero will be lifted up to be installed between these two trusses. The first element of this light and elegant net structure can be seen ready to go at the construction site.

On the top of space frame the beams will be installed, then the noise isolation and aluminum roof cover also manufactured by the German company – Interfalz. The color of aluminum plates is silver metal. The inside circle will be glass.

The speakers for sound system will be mounted on the roof elements. The pitch and spectators’ stands lighting will be fixes to the inside edge of the roof, and outside edge will carry outside building lighting.

I was reading an interview with Grigoriy Surkis (who heads Ukraine's Euro2012 preparations committee) and a journalist mentioned that some top officials in Poland are considering backing out and leaving Ukraine alone to host it?? Can Polish members confirm this disturbing information?

^^ Not really, nobody is talking about backing out. Just a couple of days ago the government approved a project of new law which should facilitate the investment process for EURO 2012.
http://www.money.pl/gospodarka/wiadomosci/artykul/rzad;przyjal;projekt;ustawy;o;euro;2012,11,0,261899.html

News you mention sound bogus to me.

I thought so, it must be nothing but cheap rumours.

Kyiv - Kharkiv
http://palamarchuk.com.ua/files/commercial/commercial_08.jpg

what does it mean? the team can afford a better design or the team has still no idea of what the stadium will look like

I hope both:
they can "produce" a better design

there is quite a chance that this is not final design, so you're right probably, they have just a general idea, and they are just trying various options...

News from Lviv:

There are currently 5 international investment groups being reviewed for the construction of the Lviv stadium complex which will include hotels and entertainment complexes as well as the actual sporting arena, altogether costing from 200 to 400 million Euro's.

Dnipro :drool:
http://gorod.dp.ua/photo/2007/b/bolelschik_dp/stadion.jpg

Final project of Krakow stadium.
cap. 38k
currently U/C

http://www.wislakrakow.com/www/picture/other/stadion-wisly-wizualizacja-wrzesien-2007.jpg

Krakow deserves much more ^^

I just read an article translated from polish Gazeta Wyborcza, it says that Poland will ask UEFA to allow completion of the main (Warsaw) stadium to be stretched up until mid 2011 because they haven't started construction of it in time, and if they decline both opening and closing matches will be in Kyiv.

The article is 15 days old, how is the situation now, is the location for the main stadium decided and is anything being done there?

Eastern stand at the Kharkiv reserve stadium
http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1189004048_img_3386.jpg

http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1189004091_img_3388.jpg

The arena will be ready by the end of 2008 :)
http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1188838008_img_3360.jpg

Btw, it was announced that Metalist City will be completed by 2011

And in other infrastructure news, Kyiv Hyatt just opened. 234 rooms :)
http://media.expedia.com/hotels/2000000/1640000/1633800/1633750/1633750_12_b.jpg

http://media.expedia.com/hotels/2000000/1640000/1633800/1633750/1633750_2_b.jpg

http://media.expedia.com/hotels/2000000/1640000/1633800/1633750/1633750_6_b.jpg

Holy...Ukraine is really seizing this moment. Seriously, take it easy...there's five more years to go:lol:

The construction of the bridge crossing Kerch-Kuban is supposed to be constructed before 2012 and will unite Ukraine's Crimean peninsula with Russia's Krasnodar Territory (Krai), promoting the attraction of additional tourists to Crimea, Ukrainian Transportation and Communication Minister Mykola Rudkovsky told a press conference in Simferopol.

The crossing will ensure the movement of around 10 million people annually and will reduce the route from Ukraine to Krasnodar Territory (Krai) at average by 450 km.

The length of the bridge crossing will be 4.5km and the width 22 m and 50 m height above sea altitude. The crossing might provide for two-way automobile, pedestrian and railway traffic, it can also be used for building oil and gas pipelines.

On September 1 Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych aired his hope that the crossing will be constructed by Euro-2012.
http://www.kmu.gov.ua/control/en/publish/article?art_id=90908371&cat_id=2291893

Although I don't really see how the bridge will significantly help Russian tourists get to Donetsk or Kharkiv, as they are closer to Russian border than to Crimea (southern Ukraine where the bridge to Russia will be built). But if it means increase in, hopefully rich, Russian tourists - then great.

I just read an article translated from polish Gazeta Wyborcza, it says that Poland will ask UEFA to allow completion of the main (Warsaw) stadium to be stretched up until mid 2011 because they haven't started construction of it in time, and if they decline both opening and closing matches will be in Kyiv.

I don't know why both games could take place in Ukraine, as there will be at least one 50k+ stadium in Poland, and that should be enough to held opening ceremony.....

In Warsaw there is nothing going on at the moment, as far as I know...

Delays in Poland are putting the future of Euro 2012 in doubt
By: CBW, 03. 09. 2007, More by this author

Poland risks losing the right to host the Euro 2012 football tournament to Italy as it struggles to decide what it wants for the new National Stadium in Warsaw.

As politicians dither over the post-Euro 2012 future of the new facility, experts doubt whether enough time remains to build a stadium that is up to standards. In August, Minister of Sports Elýbieta Jakubiak asked for an extra year to construct Warsaw’s National Stadium, but experts have warned that even that might not be enough. As multinational companies keep their distance from the high-risk project, the country teeters on the verge of losing the competition to Italy.

Legal teams are hurriedly tapping out new legislation in an attempt to clear the path for an expedited tender process that could get construction underway by next year. Unlike the other stadiums needed for the competition, the National Stadium is in the hands of the national government because the land is owned by the State Treasury.

Determining a stadium’s future use, or legacy, is one of the most pivotal and difficult decisions on any project as it has a massive impact on the design, construction, long-term operation and crucially, financing. It is also one of the most common causes of delay on stadium projects.

“Politically, the legacy usage is the most challenging. There are very few examples of countries that have made it work,” said Andrew Briggs, a stadium expert and partner at international law firm Lovells. The government and its Euro 2012 organizational committee is still stuck trying to decide on the legacy of the stadium. Sports Ministry Political Office head Michal Borowski said in August the stadium would be “either a 55,000-seat stadium just for football and Euro 2012 or a 70,000 seat stadium for Euro 2012 and other events. Either of these built on the site of the [existing 10th Anniversary] Stadium or next to it, or on another site altogether, such as the racetrack.”

The lack of plan is not good news, according to Briggs. “I suspect it stems from the government not knowing what the legacy usage is and not knowing how you are going to pay for it. … A national white elephant will be paid for by the government,“ said Briggs. “If you have carefully planned its legacy you know who will be using it throughout its lifetime, then you can calculate how it will be paid for,” he added.

“It is important to make this decision as early as possible, as there are very different designs depending on the outcome,” said Briggs. “If you want a running track then you need a larger stadium and the seats will be further from the pitch. But typically football draws a larger crowd than track and field, so you would want the stadium geared toward that. The only sensible compromise is a false floor,” he added. A false floor involves building a temporary floor above the first dozen or so rows of seats, thereby increasing the floor space and keeping the audience close to the action.

“The state needs to decide if the stadium is to be built on the site of the 10th Anniversary Stadium or near it, because the technical experts need time to look at the demolition costs,” said Michal Kurzyński, head of mergers and acquisitions for real estate law firm Eversheds.


Law and order

Kurzyński, who is working as an adviser to the government on the legal issues around the stadium, explained that he is working on a law proposed by the Ministry of Sports that seeks to separate the business from the politics.

“The law proposes the creation of two companies: one responsible for building the stadium and one for the overall Euro 2012 project. This is not definite, it could change,” he said. “The companies would have the power to appoint people specifically to take central liabilities for the project, making them act more like a manager than a clerk. It will also help attract experts from outside the ministry.” Kurzyński added that the new law will have the advantage of separating the companies’ finances from the sports minister’s budget. It should also make it faster and easier to sign contracts as they won’t be subject to ministry bureaucracy.

“In the current unstable political situation, it is difficult to know when the laws could be enacted. We aim to have it done as soon as possible, hopefully by the end of the year. We need to start work on the stadium early next year,” Kurzyński said.

Yet other worries remain. “If they can delegate power to somebody who can make decisions, then great, but it doesn’t solve the problem of where the money is coming from,” Briggs said.

With the stadium potentially costing more than Zl 1 billion (Kč 7.2 billion/ € 261 million), finding the funding and making it quickly accessible is fundamental to the success of the project.

“If they are simply looking to recover the money with games or events in the future, then I think they may struggle, as I don’t think the stadium could command a high enough gate price,” Briggs said.

There are three areas the stadium could find funds from: an anchor tenant, such as a local football club, a grant from the national government or credit from the City of Warsaw for the long term benefits of the stadium. Otherwise it will be left to the national government to simply write a check.

“Currently, it is estimated that it will take four years to build the stadium, 45 months precisely and it is 60 months till the opening match. [It comes out to] 1.5 years for design and 2.5 years for construction.” the Sports Ministry’s Borowski said.

Briggs said there is not much room left for delay. “The time scales on the project are very aggressive. They don’t have a lot of time to put in an organizational structure or construct a complicated credit structure, as they will need to draw a lot of money down very quickly to get the project underway.”

Most stadiums are now built using design and build contracts, which effectively hands much of the project’s risk to the winner of the tender, or on design, build, finance and operate (DBFO) contracts that give the construction firm responsibility for the long-term success of the stadium. “But to put in place a contract for that kind of construction is complicated and time-consuming,” Briggs said.


A little tender

“Another fly in the ointment is the public-procurement and tender laws. There are minimum time scales that have to be adhered to unless you want to breach EU law,” Briggs said.

Eversheds’ Kurzyński said that his office is also working on new tender laws to try to cut the bureaucracy.

According to Briggs, under EU tender law, a typical project of this size and complexity would take 12-18 months to tender. “I have occasionally seen it done in nine,” he said. “The Poles have five months. The legal minimum is something like 60 days, but it is practically impossible to do it in that time.”

Kurzyński remains optimistic. “If we manage to limit the whole [tender] process to three months, then it will be a success,” he said. “But we cannot just ignore EU law. We will not contradict it because we do not want any challenges going to the EU commission, which will only delay things further.”

Multinational giants are keeping a close eye on the development of the championship but are keen to keep their distance, fearing the project could easily turn sour. One senior source in a multinational firm who declined to be identified said his firm was not bidding. “We see another Wembley there,” he said, referring to the stadium in the U.K. that faced several delays and budget hikes.

Briggs said that if the government plans something “quick and dirty,” international companies would not be attracted. “They could find Polish firms to do that kind of project,” he said. “If it’s more complicated and they want the builder to bring the finance [in a DBFO style project] then I doubt there is a Polish player who could manage that,“ added Briggs. “It would require big international lenders and they would feel more secure lending to an international company. But I am really doubtful there is enough time for anything of that complexity.”


Substitute player

UEFA declined to comment on the competition, saying it “is currently focusing on Euro 2008, although we have regular contacts with both the Polish and Ukrainian football associations (FAs). The exact set-up for the organization of the tournament has not been finalized yet so we cannot give you more details on this at this stage of the project.” Ukraine is sharing the hosting of the tournament with Poland

UEFA will likely give Poland a bit of slack. With Italy as the designated reserve country, which experts say could run Euro 2012 with very little development, there is little to worry about at the moment.

“Italy could do it with two years’ notice. It would just need time to sort out things like the ticketing and the policing,” Briggs said. “There is a real danger that if Poland doesn’t have the flagship stadium under construction by the end of next year, then UEFA will have no choice but to pull [the tournament].”

And in the current political climate, with everyone focused on the early elections following the collapse of the government, Euro 2012 could very easily drop off the radar.


This is an edited version of a story published
by Warsaw Business Journal.


http://www.cbw.cz/phprs/2007090308.html

Polish and Ukrainian officials responsible for the staging of the Euro 2012 football championships met with UEFA representatives in Kiev on Wednesday to convince them that preparations for the event are in full swing, Polish PAP news agency reported.
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90779/6256203.html

We were just discussing that if there is any unexpected shortage of arenas, Sumy (northern Ukraine) can also be a reserve stadium. The capacity is 30,000 and it's almost brand new, football-specific stadium.

http://www.ukrsoccerhistory.com/sources/st_sumy2.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/ukraine/sumy_yuvileiny2.jpg

http://www.fanat.com.ua/sumy/spartak/foto-stadium/01.jpg

Polish parliament before dissolution passed a special bill about Euro 2012 ,which has to make a investitions, and other things connected with euro make easier and faster :cheers:

September 10th updates from Kharkiv :)

http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1189437299_img_3466.jpg

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From Dnipropetrovsk:

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_11/IMG_4629.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_11/IMG_4625.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_11/IMG_4626.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_11/IMG_4623.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_11/IMG_4620.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_11/IMG_4616.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_11/IMG_4595.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_11/IMG_4593.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_11/IMG_4586.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_11/IMG_4578.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_11/IMG_4569.jpg

:cheers:

It will be the first new EURO2012 arena to be completed :)

National Stadium, Warsaw.

http://m.onet.pl/_m/a2244a1ac6cf63b1ff1f1ef24995a583,14,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/72d62d54026907105b233aaee8b9a232,9,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/a0d18808f2c079fe2d70d35497ba54b1,9,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/0874d97555317c505d6d642f28068858,9,1.jpg

^^
They say that it's gonna have a capacity of 55,000 and that the construcion is gonna start at the begining of 2009 (:()

i'm a little dissapointed with the warsaw stadium. I was really hoping for a radical new design to showcase the city and country to the world, instead we have an old design type that has been replicated the world over. I really hope this isn't the final design and that other offers will bring something different.

what is the little stadium for?

^ It might be some swimming pool but I'm not sure..

National Stadium, Warsaw.

http://m.onet.pl/_m/a2244a1ac6cf63b1ff1f1ef24995a583,14,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/72d62d54026907105b233aaee8b9a232,9,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/a0d18808f2c079fe2d70d35497ba54b1,9,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/0874d97555317c505d6d642f28068858,9,1.jpg

will it take place at the EURO 2012? 2009 is too late for construction start

All stadiums need to begin construction in 2008...

Ukraine already started as you show us. When will you finish the stadiums. Your constructions are too fast...

BTW Poland will host Eurobasket 2009 also. Will Poland build new Arenas or current arenas are enough?

Thats not a design, its just a graphic to show where the stadium will be built, beside the old one, not instead of it as previously planned.

The structure inside the old stadium will be a sports hall.

The architect for the entire complex will be chosen in November.

This was all announced today.

not bad at all, but "thing" in the place of "X anniversary of PRL stadium" looks odd.

All stadiums need to begin construction in 2008...
Well, not exactly. All stadiums shuld be finished in 2010, but we know now that this date is rather not real for polish stadiums (except Poznan and Krakow), so our minister of sport ask UEFA is there is possibility to end stadiums in 2011, and they agreed. So polish stadiums will be end in 2010/2011.

Ukraine already started as you show us. When will you finish the stadiums. Your constructions are too fast...
Ukraine is doing great job with stadiums :) However, we must remember that Euro 2012 isn't only about stadiums. I think we are in the same line for now:
- situation in Ukraine about stadiums is better than polish.
- situation in Poland about infrastructure is better than ukrainian.
but literally we'll be in the same line in 2012 :)

BTW Poland will host Eurobasket 2009 also. Will Poland build new Arenas or current arenas are enough?
There are some new arenas already in building and some old that would be after renovation.

Ukraine already started as you show us. When will you finish the stadiums. Your constructions are too fast...

BTW Poland will host Eurobasket 2009 also. Will Poland build new Arenas or current arenas are enough?

Dnipropetrovsk stadium will be finished this year, in a month or two. Kharkiv stadium will be completed in 2008 and Donetsk stadium is suppose to be finished by December 30, 2008, but it might be early 2009. Odesa stadium will start construction at the end of this year, so it will probably be finished by the end of 2009. Kyiv Olympic stadium reconstruction will be done by 2010. Lviv stadium is unknown for now, but it's suppose to be finished by 2010 as well. That's including 2 reserve stadiums (Odesa and Kharkiv)

Ukraine is doing great job with stadiums :) However, we must remember that Euro 2012 isn't only about stadiums. I think we are in the same line for now:
- situation in Ukraine about stadiums is better than polish.
- situation in Poland about infrastructure is better than ukrainian.
but literally we'll be in the same line in 2012 :)


Poland is definitely building a lot more motorways than Ukraine :cheers: , we don't have that much money :(

But in terms of city underground transportation Ukraine is doing rather well as well: Donetsk subway system will open in 2010 or 2011, Dnipropetrovsk will get at least 3 new subway stations, Kharkiv is also expanding its subway network and Kyiv is suppose to build a record number of stations till the championship.

P.S. I like this Warsaw stadium vision

Update from Donetsk, first segment of the roof has been installed. :banana:

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/13_09_07/2.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/13_09_07/5.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/13_09_07/8.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/13_09_07/11.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/13_09_07/12.jpg

Donetsk update!

The first roof element is installed

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/13_09_07/8.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/13_09_07/11.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/13_09_07/12.jpg

:banana:

:lol: we posted at the same time

Arena in Donieck will be amaizing:cheers:

Projects of new terminals in host cities.

Wroclaw
http://www.airport.wroclaw.pl/img/2007-06-01_3.jpg
http://www.airport.wroclaw.pl/img/2007-06-01_5.jpg

Gdansk
http://img.trojmiasto.pl/zdj/fotki_duze/8900/z8969.jpg
http://img.trojmiasto.pl/zdj/fotki_duze/8900/z8971.jpg

Krakow
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/4328/z4328773X.jpg

^^ very nice...

How about Ukraine?

I posted donetsk airport rendering that's already u/c few pages ago, as well as u/c additional terminal at Boryspil (Kyiv)

new project of national sport centre in Warsaw
http://www.rzeczpospolita.pl/teksty/warszawa_070915/warszawa_a_1-1.F.jpg

Warsaw
http://m.onet.pl/_m/dbdafc23d376a6e07d6c663c8938e125,9,1.jpg
http://m.onet.pl/_m/72d62d54026907105b233aaee8b9a232,9,1.jpg
http://m.onet.pl/_m/a0d18808f2c079fe2d70d35497ba54b1,9,1.jpg
http://m.onet.pl/_m/0874d97555317c505d6d642f28068858,9,1.jpg
http://m.onet.pl/_m/a2244a1ac6cf63b1ff1f1ef24995a583,14,1.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1066/beztytuuyr1.jpg
fot. www.tvn24.pl

One of polish newspapers is mentioning that the grounds for nes stadium in Warsaw are in former River Wisla bed. Existing structure is not falling into swamp thanks to 2 mlm of cubic meters of earth and parts of demolished Warsaw buildings during and right after WWII. They say that the ground is are very unstable and unable to hold such'a big structure.

that is the point at which you hire Dutch engineering companies to advise

- Kyiv will open 3 new subway stations in 2008, improving the city infrastructure.

- 14,000 Kyiv specialists from the police department, rescue services, fire department and other services begun taking lessons in major foreign languages.

UEFA forbids Euro 2012 final in Ukraine's top stadium

The European Football Union (UEFA) on Monday rejected plans to hold the Euro 2012 final in Ukraine's top stadium in the capital Kiev, Ukraine football officials said.

A half-built shopping centre adjacent to Kiev's 81,000-seat Olympic Stadium, and lack of modern infrastructure, make holding the event at the sports arena impossible per UEFA statutes, officials from the Federation of Football of Ukraine (FFU) said, citing a recent letter from UEFA head Michel Platini.

UEFA in April awarded Euro 2012 to Ukraine and Poland, setting the opening game to be be played in Warsaw, and scheduling the final in Kiev's Olympic Stadium.

Platini's announcement marked an upping of the ante in a tense and long-running battle for control of prime real estate in the Ukrainian capital.

Kiev's real estate market is among Europe's most profitable, with properties increasing in value by as much as 500 per cent over the last half-decade, and 1000 per cent not unheard of.

The Olympic stadium lies in the heart of downtown Kiev, where property values can exceed prices seen in Paris, and even London.

The shopping centre adjacent to Olympic Stadium is a development project financed by a Kiev business group in conflict with Hryhory Surkis, director of the FFU and Ukraine's top proponent of holding a European football championship in the former Soviet republic.

Surkis, one of Ukraine's wealthiest businessmen, has long insisted the shopping centre should be torn down.

Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko as recently as last month appeared to side with Surkis, ordering the government to take all necessary steps to resolve the Olympic Stadium dispute, to include considering dismantling the half-built office centre by force, if necessary.

The conflict currently is moving, at glacial speed, through the Kiev city court system, with no end in sight. A judge has banned demolishing the shopping centre before the case is resolved in court.

Ukraine is expected even without Olympic Stadium to offer sufficient first-class game facilities by 2012 to host its share of its event, with modern stadiums under construction and nearing completion in Dnipropetrovsk and Donetsk, and overhauls of existing stadiums planned in Odessa, Kharkic and Lviv.

Were the capital Kiev unable to host the final game, it would likely be played played in Donetsk, where a 250 million dollar stadium is on schedule to be completed by 2010.

Olympic Stadium is Ukraine's top football venue and site of many of the Soviet Union's best-known footballing achievements. Its non-inclusion in Euro 2012 would be, for Ukraine, comparable to Spain's hosting an international football tournament, without playing any matches in Madrid's Santiago Bernabeu stadium.

Prior to Platini's statement the UEFA had taken a neutral position on a conflict between Ukrainian business groups over Kiev Olympic Stadium, saying that it was confident Ukraine would resolve the Olympic Stadium dispute in time for the 2012 championship.

that is the point at which you hire Dutch engineering companies to advise

but they all work in Dubai at the moment ;)

So the half-built mall in front of the Olympic stadium will have to be demolished, oh well.

Finals will be in Donetsk it seems

No, they'll just demolish this mall that "obstructs evacuation" routes, which is bullshit, there's enough space around the stadium anyway.

Besides, there's going to be another new 60k arena in Kyiv.

Olimpijski stadion u Kijevu ne zadovoljava kriterijume
Autor: Tanjug | 18.09.2007 - 14:36

Nezadovoljna uslovima na Olimpijskom stadionu u Kijevu Evropska fudbalska unija (UEFA) odbila je zahtev Ukrajine da se finalna utakmica prvenstva Evrope 2012. godine igra na tom stadionu i naložila domaćinu šampionata da razmotri druge mogućnosti. - UEFA ordered Ukraine to find a new host city.

Predsednik UEFA Mišel Platini je u pismu Fudbalskom savezu Ukrajine precizirao da stadion u Kijevu ne zadovoljava kriterijume UEFA posebno sa stanovišta moderne infrastrukture i dodao da je jedan od glavnih razloga za ovakvu odluku i afera koja se odnosi na izgradnju trgovačkog centra u okviru stadiona.
Ukrajinci će, prema naredbi UEFA, morati da u što kraćem roku donesu odluku o novom domaćinu finalnog meča, a u ovom trenutku najviše šansi ima Donjeck u kojem bi do 2010. godine trebalo da bude izgrađen novi moderni stadion čija je vrednost procenjena na 250 miliona dolara.
Tokom šampionata domaćini najboljim evropskim fudbalskim reprezentacijama biće Dnjepropetrovsk, Odesa, Harkov i Lavov.

I'm sure it's just to pressure the court to allow the demolition of the mall. Nobody is going to allow a renovated 90,000 stadium just stand there without use.

Here is an old pic of the area to explain what they are talking about. This big u/c area on the bottom of the picture is a mall that will obstruct quick evacuation of all 90,000 spectators, so it must be demolished.
http://i.io.com.ua/img_aa/large/0135/30/01353012.jpg

what will be demolished ? A brand new shopping center ?

Yes. It's not complete yet, so the authorities will pay retribution to the mall owners. It's a much easier solution than abandoning the largest stadium in the region because UEFA says it obstructs evacuation route. Maybe the underground levels of the incomplete mall can be used as underground parking that's badly needed in this location.

Can't they demolish old buildings, that we can see on left ? (those next to car park) I mean - it could be cheaper :)

Can't they demolish old buildings, that we can see on left ? (those next to car park) I mean - it could be cheaper :)

It's impossible. :lol: Because building left to the parking is National Olympic Committee of Ukraine.

Well, I'll be not surprised if opening ceremony will be in for example Poznan and final in Donieck, lol.

It's impossible. :lol: Because building left to the parking is National Olympic Committee of Ukraine.

fair enough :) but still think that they wouldn't mind, if the city would build them new office (for the same money or less). No compensations to be payed, and no land re-buying...

Сonstruction intensifies at the Kharkiv reserve stadium.
http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1190386501_img_3536.jpg

İS THERE OFFİCAL WEBSİTE OF eURO 2012?

İS THERE OFFİCAL WEBSİTE OF eURO 2012?

http://www.e2012.org/en/Home.html

any news ppl?
new renderings from Poland maybe :D

Poznan is waiting for decisions, which are to be taken by some people in Warsaw, who have no idea about engineering, to know how much $$ government will give us.
BTW in Poznan there is a cool event:
we're moving a bridge span over (and across) the bridge :)

http://tutej.pl/pliki/cms/5147/most3.jpg
http://tutej.pl/pliki/cms/5147/most2.jpg

The rising Kharkiv stadium :)

http://i21.tinypic.com/wtya2e.jpg

http://i21.tinypic.com/2ceniv.jpg

http://i21.tinypic.com/2hdmnx4.jpg

I'll put few more pic's as i think this is also somehow connected with preparations to EURO ;)

before
http://tutej.pl/pliki/cms/5160/img_8700.jpg
during
http://tutej.pl/pliki/cms/5160/img_8872.jpg
http://tutej.pl/pliki/cms/5160/img_8892.jpg
after
http://tutej.pl/pliki/cms/5162/img_9013.jpg
future position of 'old St Roch Bridge' span
http://tutej.pl/pliki/cms/4832/wizualizacja1.jpg

total length of span "travel" approx 1.4km

^^^ what does it have to do with Euro? :lol:

^^ Infrastructure/roads/bridges :D

BTW what is 1.4km long? not the bridge, right??

^^From the sounds of it, 1.4 kms is how far downstream the bridge is being moved.

http://www.tvn24.pl/-1,1523333,wiadomosc.html

http://m.onet.pl/_m/12f2363b3d7d92819150fb4540a0eaaf,24,1.jpg

Krakow have bought 24 modern trams "Bombardier".
1 tram = 1,8 mln euro
lenght: 26m
capacity: 182

Silesia Stadium in Chorzów (Upper Silesia Metropolitan Area):
today

http://www.sekcjaspadochronowa-wawel.krakow.pl/strony/rysunki/rys_d/biezace/2005chorz2.jpg
http://bank.muratorplus.pl/images/Vol0002/23508_2.jpg
http://republika.pl/blog_jp_33006/39326/tr/helik_stadion_slaski_4.jpg

in 2010
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/9/4083/z4083339X.jpg

Silesia Stadium is located in the biggest city park in Europe, near the center of Katowice and Chorzów. Near the stadium lives 5 milion peoples and it is 3 internation airports (Silesia - Pyrzowice, Cracow Balice and Ostrava).

^^ this stadium is only a back up staidum right?

From the pics you posted it looks like the only difference between the stadium now and in 2010 is the covering.

Yes, it's only back up, but it is only one stadium whitch is completed now and modernistic in 2010 in 100%. The stadiums in Warsaw and Tricity hasn't got projects! And they are wirtual.

^^From the sounds of it, 1.4 kms is how far downstream the bridge is being moved.

indeed, it is being moved down stream while still hanging over the river.

it will become a pedestrian bridge, and probably only EURO made it move now. i think it could stand at previous place few months (if not years) more.

Polish govt announced, that central budget will finance the construction of national stadium in Warsaw with $1,260 billion. :eek2: Will that be the most expensive stadium ever, or what?
...while other cities will get a financial support at only around 20% of what they asked for. :bash: :bash: :bash:

so.... there will be one stadium in Poland (if any)

but I have also a small good news:
there is "green light" for part of A2 highway
(it will be connecting German highways system with Polish one (is there any?), so at least supporters will be able to come to Poland much smoother then now)

Polish govt announced, that central budget will finance the construction of national stadium in Warsaw with $1,260 billion. :eek2: Will that be the most expensive stadium ever, or what?
...while other cities will get a financial support at only around 20% of what they asked for. :bash: :bash: :bash:

About the same thing was announced by the mayor of Kyiv, he said that he will allocate a billion dollars for the new stadium. But since everybody knows that he is a mentally retarded person that doesn't know what stadiums or bread cost, nobody except some stupid "copy - paste" journalists paid any attention to it.

our LOGO:

http://m.onet.pl/_m/a3b256157331198c85c834eb6c776704,5,1.jpg

bit of a crap IMHO

^^ :? What is that? i don't see a logo! It's just some writing!

This logo is only temporary.

It's almost as bad as that British crap.

Some news...

Kharkiv, final rendering of the stadium...

http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/1192627655_jcn1_a3.jpg

Lviv

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n22/wombato_2006/lviv_stadium.jpg

Dnipropetrovsk

All seats have been installed .The pitch is currently main target, as they are rushing to finish it before winter.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/IMG_8439.jpg

Donetsk

The roof is on the way...

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_10_07_2/21.jpg

Poland, please post some updates :)

our LOGO:

http://m.onet.pl/_m/a3b256157331198c85c834eb6c776704,5,1.jpg

bit of a crap IMHO
This logo is only temporary.
Exactly. This is temporary logo. Official logo of Euro 2012 will be present in 2009, one year after Euro 2008.

Best architects to compete for National Stadium in Warsaw

Created: Friday, October 19. 2007

The Polish Ministry of Sport and Tourism is on the lookout for starts. Authors of such football stadiums as the new London Wembley will be taken into account when choosing the architect to design the Euro 2012 stadium.

Today the Minister of Sport, Elżbieta Jakubiak, will present the complete list of names of architects invited to talks. The 16 companies include those who designed facilites of worldwide renown.

“For instance, we’ll be talking to HOK”, says Michal Borowski, Euro 2012 coordinator in the Ministry of Sport.

HOK has designed several tens of football stadiums altogether, including two London giants: Emirates Stadium and new Wembley. Sir Norman Forrester, who cooperated on Wembley and designed the Metropolitan building in the Warsaw Pilsudski Square, has also received an e-mail from Poland inviting him to talks.

The rumors saying Daniel Liebeskind has also been invited to the negotiations, have turned out to be rumors indeed. However, Liebeskind is currently working in Poland, designing a luxurious apartment house in the centre of Warsaw. Polish architects will also compete for the chance to design the national stadium.

The project is to be ready by the middle of next year, when a contactor will have to be found. The Ministry wants to start the construction in spring of 2009.

http://www.thenews.pl/archives/1507-Best-architects-to-compete-for-National-Stadium-in-Warsaw.html

WROCŁAW :cheers:

Fotos by : nitrograd


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http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/masakla/78168257xd4.jpg

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^^^ Człowieku skasuj te syfiaste projekty które nigdy nie będą realizowane.

Wrocław i Warszawa ma już inne projekty tak samo Poznań i Kraków.

^^^ Człowieku skasuj te syfiaste projekty które nigdy nie będą realizowane.

Wrocław i Warszawa ma już inne projekty tak samo Poznań i Kraków.
Warszawa nie ma zadnego projektu chyba ze piszesz o stadionie Legii. Ale on nie bedzie narodowym.

ale na pewno nie bedzie to ten ktory widać u gory.

Poland (it's not a joke)

It is a joke.

Stadion Narodowy nie powstanie na miejscu Stadionu Dziesięciolecia i na pewno nie będzie wyglądał tak jak na wizualizacji (to od początku była tylko propozycja)

We Wrocławiu powstanie zupełnie nowy stadion (którego wizualizację zamieścił DjRexxx tuż przed Tobą :|) a to co zamieściłeś to propozycja modernizacji starego Stadionu Olimpijskiego.

Stadiony w Poznaniu i Krakowie też mają zmodyfikowane projekty....

~Silesian~ zmien albo skasuj ten post, bo te projekty sa wszystkie juz nieaktualne. Nie robmy tu zametu.

Na pewno nie wszystkie, bo modernizacja Śląskiego zostanie. A oprócz niego powstanie prawdopodobnie nowy stadion.

Na pewno nie wszystkie, bo modernizacja Śląskiego zostanie. A oprócz niego powstanie prawdopodobnie nowy stadion.

Tak czy siak powinienes zedytowac swoj post ze stadionami. Chociazby jeden post wyzej masz nowe rendery stadionu we Wrocku, a i tak wkleiles stare propozycje. Poza tym denerwuje mnie juz twoja (nad)aktywnosc na forum miedzynarodowym jaki i twoj slaski patriotyzm :ohno:

Tak czy siak powinienes zedytowac swoj post ze stadionami. Chociazby jeden post wyzej masz nowe rendery stadionu we Wrocku, a i tak wkleiles stare propozycje. Poza tym denerwuje mnie juz twoja (nad)aktywnosc na forum miedzynarodowym jaki i twoj slaski patriotyzm :ohno:

A to już na forum międzynarodowym nie wolno się udzielać? Bo nie daj Boże ktoś pomyśli, że Katowice to nie bloki (swoją drogą ciekawe to jest, bo w Kato oprócz Superjednostki, Tauzena i 3 Stawów nie ma bloków), dlatego prawda?
Mój śląski patriotyzm pochodzi z bardzo prostej przyczyny - podobno Śląsk jest kulą u nogi, łożycie na nas pieniądze, ale jednak kiedy ktoś mówi, że można by Śląsk od Polski odłączyć lub dać mu autonomię to od razu wszyscy zaczynają protestować. Ciekawe, nie powiem.
Poza tym wiem, że to straszne, że jedyny stadion istniejący jest na Śląsku - cóż za niedopatrzenie!

http://www.thenews.pl/archives/1507-Best-architects-to-compete-for-National-Stadium-in-Warsaw.html

"HOK has designed several tens of football stadiums altogether, including two London giants: Emirates Stadium and new Wembley. Sir Norman Forrester, who cooperated on Wembley and designed the Metropolitan building in the Warsaw Pilsudski Square, has also received an e-mail from Poland inviting him to talks."

I hope that is a joke ? Sir Norman Foster should go to law court for such deformation of its name !

A to już na forum międzynarodowym nie wolno się udzielać? Bo nie daj Boże ktoś pomyśli, że Katowice to nie bloki (swoją drogą ciekawe to jest, bo w Kato oprócz Superjednostki, Tauzena i 3 Stawów nie ma bloków), dlatego prawda?
Oczywiście, że można ale po pierwsze: trzeba znać angielski i po drugie: orientować się w temacie, w którym zamierzamy się wypowiedzieć, no chyba że lubisz się kompromitować np. wklejając wizualki które były wklejone już dawno temu i które są już nieaktualne i jeszcze ociągać się z ich usunięciem. Jeśli chcesz zabłysnąć to myślę, że piaskownica będzie odpowiednim miejscem - dzieci na pewno zainteresuje ile to tauzenów, superjednostek i wspaniałych rzeczy mają Katowice.

Poza tym wiem, że to straszne, że jedyny stadion istniejący jest na Śląsku - cóż za niedopatrzenie!
A ja myślałem, że stadion w Chorzowie jest jedynym na świecie! :ohno:
Ty chyba naprawdę nie bardzo wiesz co się dzieje i co jest w kraju, poza Śląskiem miodem i mlekiem płynącym.

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Wroclaw's stadium looks ok.

Oczywiście, że można ale po pierwsze: trzeba znać angielski i po drugie: orientować się w temacie, w którym zamierzamy się wypowiedzieć, no chyba że lubisz się kompromitować np. wklejając wizualki które były wklejone już dawno temu i które są już nieaktualne i jeszcze ociągać się z ich usunięciem. Jeśli chcesz zabłysnąć to myślę, że piaskownica będzie odpowiednim miejscem - dzieci na pewno zainteresuje ile to tauzenów, superjednostek i wspaniałych rzeczy mają Katowice.


A ja myślałem, że stadion w Chorzowie jest jedynym na świecie! :ohno:
Ty chyba naprawdę nie bardzo wiesz co się dzieje i co jest w kraju, poza Śląskiem miodem i mlekiem płynącym.

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Wroclaw's stadium looks ok.

Szczerze mówiąc nie chodziło mi w tamtym poście o wizualki, ale o "zaawansowanie" prac.
Co do stadionu to jeśli jesteś tak tępy wytłumaczę Ci to.
Oczywiście, ze wiem, że Kielce mają bardzo ładny stadion na 15 000 widzów, ale jak większość ludzi w tym temacie się zajmuję stadionami na EURO 2012. Wiem także, że w Poznaniu również jest stadion, ale na razie nie spełnia on wymogów UEFA, a Śląski spełnia nawet bez zadaszenia. Jak Ci jeszcze mam udowodnić, że wiem co się dzieje w kraju? Np. wiem, że we Wrocławiu projekt jest już gotowy i lada dzień rozpocznie sie budowa. Ale tego stadionu jeszcze nie ma. Jeden z ukraińskich forumowiczów powiedział "Polacy, teraz pokażcie co u was" czy coś w tym stylu i właśnie pokazałem - że mamy "już" wirtualne stadiony, że Warszawa ani Gdańsk nie mają jeszcze nawet projektów, a w miejscu stadionów jest dzisiaj największy w Europie trag i ogródki działkowe. I wcale nie ociągałem się z edytowaniem mojego postu, gdyż nie siedzę 24h na dobę na skyscrapercity.com, a już na pewno nie często na światowym forum.

A Śląsk to też Wrocław jakby co. I tam też jest stolica :)

^^ Przeczysz sam sobie.

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All architects invited to projecting National Stadium in Warsaw:
- JSK (LTU Arena - Dusseldorf; Legia Stadium - Warsaw)
- HOK (Emirates Stadium - London; Estadio da Luz - Lisbon; Millennium Stadium - Cardiff)
- Estudio Lamela (Santiago Bernabeu - Madrid)
- Autorska Pracownia Architektury Kuryłowicz & Associates (two conceptions of National Stadium in Warsaw; stadium Hetmana Białystok)
- Dömges Architekten (German)
- GMP Architekten (Olympic Stadium - Berlin)
- Archi5 (French)
- Rosetti (American)
- Herzog & De Meuron (Allianz Arena - Monachium; Olympic Stadium - Beijing)
- Sjoerd Soeters & Van Eldonk (Dutch)
- HPP (Arena Auf Schalke - Gelsenkirchen)
- Tomas Taveira (Estadio Jose Alvalade XXI - Lisbon)
- Eduardo Souto de Moura (stadium in Braga)
- Vittorio Gregotti (Olympic Stadium - Barcelona)
- SPA Schulitz + Partners (AWD Arena - Hanover)
- NBBJ (Korean)
- Daniel Libeskind
- sir Norman Foster (Wembley - London)
- Wojciech Zabłocki (stadium in Aleppo)
- Arup (stadium in Valencia; construction of Olympic Stadium in Beijing)

^^ Przeczysz sam sobie.

Gdzie?

hey guys keep this thread English. I understand one or two posts in Polish/Ukranian but several posts makes it frustrating for others.

We quarrelled. Unfortunately some Poles can't understand some facts.

what facts? from the Polish I understood that the Wroclaw stadium isn't the final design.

The facts about preparations. We have got only one stadium (and it's a backup stadium) and Warsaw & Gdansk haven't got projects (!)

How many times I must repeat to you that Lech Poznan Stadium is already existing?! It's modernizing, like stadium in Chorzow. And you are saying that some Poles don't know facts, please... :ohno:

I send You my answer by PM.

Back to updates!

LVIV STADIUM
Construction will begin in March 2008 and finish by June 2010. The city council of Lviv has allocated the specified area for the arena and works are starting to move there.

Hotels in Kyiv
Red: existing
Yellow: u/c and projects
http://kontrakty.com.ua/ukr/gc/nomer/2007/41/24-4.jpg

Donetsk stadium
Look at this monstrosity, so many levels, esclators etc.
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0907/4.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0907/6.jpg

President organized a round table talks with intention of speeding the preparation up
http://www.president.gov.ua/done_img/gib/11385.jpg

Mayors of Lviv and Kharkiv had nothing to say to each other
http://www.president.gov.ua/done_img/gib/11379.jpg

Yushchenko said during a meeting of the Euro 2012 Coordinating Council on Wednesday it was important to resolve all problems that could hamper the country’s ability to co-host Euro 2012 with Poland as quickly as possible. He criticized the government for failing to act fast enough and making the nation think the renewal of sports infrastructure will be “some kind of emergency job.” “We must soon put a full stop in all the issues regarding the organization of the Euro 2012 finals,” he said and added that UEFA inspectors would soon arrive in Ukraine to hear a report on what has been done and what will be done to host the event.

Yushchenko said it was the government’s top priority to develop sports infrastructure. He expressed confidence all Euro 2012 venues would be built and renovated on time. “The answer to the question whether the championship will be held or not lies in the preparedness of our sports infrastructure,” he said.

The president said “much time has been lost” in upgrading the country’s road, rail and air links. He is particularly worried there is no state program to host the finals. “I think the coordination and preparations are so weak because we have no plan, no national program on how to do this job… I would like this to be a first day initiative as soon as parliament starts its work.”

Yushchenko said it was important to create favorable conditions for those wishing to invest in Euro 2012 projects: “I am convinced we must all regard it as our obligation to create a special investment climate.”

“We must maximally mobilize our efforts, formulate a road map, make structural and managerial decisions and act as one team when drafting next year’s budget in the context of Euro 2012 – there must be enough money in it,” he said, urging all officials to be more responsible. “This is a task of state importance on which the glory of the state and the nation depends.”

He said their next meeting should focus on how to implement regional and branch programs to prepare the country for the Euro 2012 finals.

Polish govt announced, that central budget will finance the construction of national stadium in Warsaw with $1,260 billion. :eek2: Will that be the most expensive stadium ever, or what?
...while other cities will get a financial support at only around 20% of what they asked for. :bash: :bash: :bash:

Little correction...it is true that it will be over a billion, but zlotys (polish currency) approximately 380 million dollars. If your are asking whether it will be the most expensive stadium ever...the answer is NO. Here is an example of Dallas Cowboys stadium worth more than a BILLION DOLLARS!! http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/

The Red Bulls/Some American Football Team in New Jersey, USA is $1.7 billion.

The Red Bulls/Some American Football Team in New Jersey, USA is $1.7 billion.

I am sorry guys, it is off topic, but it has to be clarified.

My friend you are wrong! I live in New York and know what goes on in my area. Red Bulls are currently using NY Giants' stadium (American Football Team) NY RB new stadium called Red Bull Park will cost $130 million
http://www.redbullpark.com/stadium_facts.html

its not going to be a Red Bulls stadium but the new Giants Stadium that will be used for international games of the Red Bulls

its not going to be a Red Bulls stadium but the new Giants Stadium that will be used for international games of the Red Bulls

You are wrong again my friend :) The new stadium that you are refering to this time is a joint effort of Giants and Jets which is going to be their new home field and its cost is estimated to be close to a billion rather than $1.7 billion that you have stated earlier. NY Red Bulls which is soccer team will have their own new stadium (see my link above). I see you hear some music playing however you don't know where it is coming from. Please don't argue with me, just admit you made a mistake.

just admit you made a mistake.

good luck

You are wrong again my friend :) The new stadium that you are refering to this time is a joint effort of Giants and Jets which is going to be their new home field and its cost is estimated to be close to a billion rather than $1.7 billion that you have stated earlier. NY Red Bulls which is soccer team will have their own new stadium (see my link above).

Nope, I'm not wrong. The Giants stadiums cost is $1.7 billion dollars and it will be used by the Red Bulls for international as well as local big games, because the Red Bulls arena will have less than 30k capacity, some games require 45k.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=520657

Now admit that I'm your daddy.

I see you hear some music playing however you don't know where it is coming from.

What????

This statement comes from New York Times (...)The teams would split the cost of the project, which is expected to be more than $800 million(...) - this was in 2005 when they first annouced it, now it oscillates around $1.3 billion (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/05/sports/football/05stadium.html). I will admint that you were right if you show me a legit article that states that the cost will be $1.7 billion. (wikipedia is not sufficient enough source, if that is where you are getting your info)


The Red Bulls/Some American Football Team in New Jersey, USA is $1.7 billion.

Anyway, my point was to point out your first false post that stated that it is going to be Red Bulls' stadium and it is going to cost $1.7 billion (I showed you what is going to be build by Red Bulls). Renting a stadium for an even doesn't claim any right to say it is yours. Moreover, you have realized that your first statement wasn't true and you started looking for a way of getting out of this mess without losing your face. Let's just drop this, it is off topic - if this will help your EGO - I will admin you were right!!! Are you happy?

good luck

Now I think I know what you ment by this :)

apparently I am your daddy now :banana:

What are u talking about kid? Have you even read or understood what I just said? I don't think you got the memo. Get this, it is going to be in caps: READ MY POST! GIVE YOURSELF SOME TIME TO THINK BEFORE YOU REPLY!

Donetsk, Shakhtar Stadium Update

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/25_10_07_3/1.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/25_10_07_3/3.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/25_10_07_3/9.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/25_10_07_3/18.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/25_10_07_3/23.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/25_10_07_3/24.jpg

Now I think I know what you ment by this :)

Ukrainians are a very stubborn people, Stas is no exception :D

^^ thanks for update, as i don't give a s##t who is playing in NY and how much will their stadium cost. if I were, I'd search for it in a different thread.

(mind that in in USA billion = 1000 million, while in the rest of world it is 1000 000 million)

^^ thanks for update, as i don't give a s##t who is playing in NY and how much will their stadium cost. if I were, I'd search for it in a different thread.

(mind that in in USA billion = 1000 million, while in the rest of world it is 1000 000 million)

I know...I've already apologized for off topic subject. However, if I knew how stubborn some Ukrainians are, I would have never had picked up this matter. Also, for your record this forum is English oriented forum and as far as I know when you say billion in English (not only in US, it is English language rule) you refer to - 1000 millions. You are right that it means a different thing in other languages, but as I said we wright in English here, so please don't confuse other people.

Euro 2012 opening game not in Warsaw?

Created: Monday, October 29. 2007

"Let’s be frank about it - the match opening Euro 2012 will not be held in Warsaw", sports minister Elżbieta Jakubiak has told Radio Zet.

According to daily Dziennik, the mayor of Warsaw wants to change the planned location of the National Stadium in Warsaw, which will cause delays.

"It’s about the money", sports minister said, but refused to specify whose money was at stake.

The daily claims that the money in question belongs to developers, who want to use the attractive site of the dilapidated 10th Anniversary Stadium in Warsaw for residential purposes.

The plot of land, currently housing the derelict stadium, is worth billions, so the mayor of Warsaw Hanna Gronkiewicz-Waltz would prefer to move the location of the National Stadium to the outskirts of Warsaw.

If a decision to change the site of the new stadium is made, UEFA may be concerned about eventual delays and choose a different venue for the Euro 2012 opening ceremony - perhaps in Ukraine.

Warsaw architects, town planners and other officials admit that it is too late for revolutionary changes in the preparations for the international event.

http://www.thenews.pl/archives/1591-Euro-2012-opening-game-not-in-Warsaw.html

That would be great if both opening and final games were held in Ukraine. Perhaps Donetsk - Kyiv

There seems to be some sort of conspiracy between the new national government, and the Warsaw city mayors office (same party) to cancel the national stadium in Warsaw. Its all pretty complicated for those who are not familiar with Polish politics.

Looks like they will be pushing to have the opening in Chorzow, with Warsaw getting a few group games at the Legia stadium.

Media pressure is starting, so they may be forced to back out of this strategy.

Kyiv, Approved Project

http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_001.jpg

http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_002.jpg

http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_003.jpg

I think the second rendering is old, that's the same one they presented almost a year ago. The third rendering is correct but also a bit strange, since they don't have that highrise attached to it, which is almost complete now.

^^ That is the image from Archunion. And on the second image a screen has appeared, as to highrise, i think that it might not be visible from the prespective that the image is showing...

s hit Ukraine is designing and building while Poland is still figuring out where to even put them.

^^Do you see a difference between words "Poland" and "Warsaw" ?

^^Do you see a difference between words "Poland" and "Warsaw" ?


Some Warsawiaks wouldn't.

^^Do you see a difference between words "Poland" and "Warsaw" ?

You should ask about difference between "Poland" and "Warsaw+Gdansk+Wroclaw"

Ring-road of Luhansk is under construction at full speed, I'm assuming that the ending point of the planned-u/c west-east ukrainian highway.
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/189_N158269_b.jpg

Plus, a highway will be built to connect Ukraine and Romania, through which southern-europeans will get to see the games.

Great update from Donetsk

Ukrainian Colosseum is getting closer to its grand finale
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/31_10_07_1/5.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/31_10_07_1/1.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/31_10_07_1/11.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1007/14.jpg

Less than a year ago this was it
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/14_12_06/3.jpg

FC Dnipro stadium
http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_13/_MG_1107.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_13/_MG_1097.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_13/_MG_1083.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_13/_MG_1100.jpg

:cheers:
http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_13/_MG_1082.jpg

How the founding looks like in Ukraine ?
I mean, especially, who is paying for stadiums ?
'coz in Poland building EURO 2012 arenas looks bit like suicide action as far as money is concerned

If I'm not mistaken

(city - who pays for the arena)
Kyiv - state/city but it's unclear whether the new arena will be Dynamo's, then it'll be football club/city/state
Donetsk - football club
Dnipro - football club
Odesa - football club/state
Lviv - state ?
Kharkiv - football club/state

Ukraine looks a lot more capable then Poland:yes:

Let's assess Poland's capability in 2012 shall we :)

Euro2012 will be used in Poland as a vehicle to bridge the civilizational gap between us and western Europe. It's not about building 4 stadiums with oligarch money. Everything must be up to high standards, transparent, planned and executed. It takes time to get the ball rolling but once it does you will surely notice.

Here is the scope of Euro2012 project in Poland:

480 projects in 61 cities (12 categories) some of which are:

- 19 stadiums
- 81 training bases
- 25 hotels
- 115 stretches of highways and expressways
- 67 stretches of train tracks
- 75 airports
- 23 projects related to security

Costs run in tens of billions of dollars.

I don't think the civilizational gap is going to disappear in 2012:ohno:
BTW this stadium in Donieck will be awesome:cheers:

Ya people must not only look at having stadiums built as progress. Poland is ahead of Ukraine in other catagories that are just as important as the stadiums that hold the games. No offense but there aren't as many rich-mafia owners of clubs that can dish out huge cash for amazing stadiums like in Donieck. There is a lot more money in Ukrainian football and that money does not really correspond with a strong economy such as in western europe. But i admit that Poland is really pushing it too close and must really start to build some stadiums. The recent government change should help because the one in power earlier wasn't putting in enough effort. Lets just hope that both nations put in all the effort so that in the end there will be a great successful euro.

There's no civilizational gap. And Ukraine is not only "building stadiums with oligarch money". For instance construction of two small stadiums started in Kyiv just now for the Euro-2012 as part of the entire thing, they'll be utilized as professional fields for practices and such. Every host city in Ukraine has developed a hotel plan never before seen in the country, there are committees setup to speed up allocation of land, finding and selecting investors, working out every detail so that each city can fit everyone who will arrive.

Besides that, the individual training will be unprecedented, thousands of officers of various agencies are already enrolled in special classes to teach them major western European languages and how to deal with western hooligans and such.

Just because Ukraine is building stadiums and not just thinking about doing that somewhere in the future when they might find land for it doesn't mean that nothing else besides that is being done and planned.

Now less demagogue rhetoric and more concrete news,
- Lviv stadium will begin construction in several months, early 2008 and it will be finished by 2010, thus fulfilling the strictest recommendations of any kind
- Kyiv will build and operate 20(!) more subway stations by the time of the championship to ease up congestion and make traveling throughout the city more convenient.

Building stadiums is fine but you need highways, ring roads, fast and reliable train connections, modern airports, communications networks, training facilities, fast tram networks etc.

Of course stadiums are the most visible sign of "progress" but at least in Poland people think on grander scale - what will be used during Euro2012 and what will be used after Euro2012. In another words what can add a real value to the economy over long term, long after Euro is gone.

Here is an example. Let's take Poznan.

Poznan builds a stadium while satelite towns built training facilities. The region puts together a cultural offering (what to see, where to go, fun activities, historical sites etc). Ring road is built around the city so the traffic can be diverted away. Highway linking nearby Wroclaw is constructed so that tourists can access both venues quicker. An airport is expanding its capacity so it can accomodate more people. Fast tram line will access the airport. Hotels in the city and at the airport are built, so are parking facilities.

So a stadium is actually the easiest thing to do and can be done relatively quickly. Poland has long term investment plans and they take time. Euro2012 fits into a modernization plan which is much larger in scope and more complex.

For me judging readiness based on few stadiums and hotels being built is ridiculous. In case of Poland they are maybe 5% of the whole picture of what is about to take place in the next 5 years.

Let's assess Poland's capability in 2012 shall we :)

Euro2012 will be used in Poland as a vehicle to bridge the civilizational gap between us and western Europe. It's not about building 4 stadiums with oligarch money. Everything must be up to high standards, transparent, planned and executed. It takes time to get the ball rolling but once it does you will surely notice.

Here is the scope of Euro2012 project in Poland:

480 projects in 61 cities (12 categories) some of which are:

- 19 stadiums
- 81 training bases
- 25 hotels
- 115 stretches of highways and expressways
- 67 stretches of train tracks
- 75 airports
- 23 projects related to security

Costs run in tens of billions of dollars.

Sounds fine, except for the hotels bit. Looks like one hotel will be built for every three cities:nuts:
Realistically it should be 250 hotels - or at least FOUR new hotels per city.

Well it has to do with government money, that's why they are singled out in this list. These hotels are part of training facities which could be partially funded by the government.

They have nothing to do with the private sector. There are many hotels already in Poland or under development and tons of them are being planned.

we have a much bigger problem with having this bid together.



Political analyst Jedrzej Bielecki from the Dziennik daily argues that a new divide in Europe may surface due to Schengen expansion.

“I think that there are huge risks that from the 21st of December a lot of Ukranians, Russians and Belarusians will not be able to enter Poland.
There are hundreds of people coming each year to work as cleaners, babysitters and construction workers but, now conditions to give them visas will be much more difficult. First of all the visas will be quite expensive.[B] For Belarusians they will cost about 60 euros which is at least one third of the average salary of that country.They will have to prove that they will come back. They will have to comply with requirements established by Brussels and not here in Warsaw.”

[B]In many cases crossing into neighboring Ukraine from Poland ‘s eastern flank has taken travelers as long as 14 hours. There is a danger that when Poland joins the Schengen zone queues will be even longer than they are now.


http://www.polskieradio.pl/zagranica/gb/dokument.aspx?iid=68857

If I'm not mistaken

(city - who pays for the arena)
Kyiv - state/city but it's unclear whether the new arena will be Dynamo's, then it'll be football club/city/state
Donetsk - football club
Dnipro - football club
Odesa - football club/state
Lviv - state ?
Kharkiv - football club/state

Karpaty's (Lviv) club owner Petro Dyminskyi said that the club will be partly financing the project, and in case if the local authorities will not come to final conclusion than the club will build it with their own funds.:)

Proposed visions of Warsaw stadium :

http://m.onet.pl/_m/9a8850f53e43860f90edf719e01cafcc,21,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/c63d83921097ca5ea89feb599b87dc11,21,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/c4211398a37553f9e609c91899ba5c3d,21,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/748ac3bfd736eaecaa784b35680bf4f2,9,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/cf9428fb332c8ebdfe62a49f9fa74e6f,9,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/f11e0cf39aa76e7c3fd7f0cbabccc2d8,21,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/2ec9c9f6e2a99855c76baf098d552e2b,9,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/3cf117d91e59ba8dbe172e8324df0f71,21,1.jpg

http://i2.tinypic.com/853c460.jpg

http://i19.tinypic.com/6ujxnh5.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/3f4630df9c100464060413250d6fcbb0,21,1.jpg

^^ These visualizations are a bit out of order and inadequate to the current course of action. Below is a short list of those few selected for further consideration (it still might change, nothing has been defined yet).

http://m.onet.pl/_m/9a8850f53e43860f90edf719e01cafcc,21,1.jpg
http://m.onet.pl/_m/0b4794551f0408bfb7d7bd9b550c1450,21,1.jpg
http://m.onet.pl/_m/d80d085f2cf8924d9214bbfb2064e2e9,21,1.jpg
http://m.onet.pl/_m/6129379bc63c6ed09cb638151ecb9c72,21,1.jpg
http://m.onet.pl/_m/4a3e5fe4e95c3794b2eb7e4b1e4d796e,21,1.jpg
http://m.onet.pl/_m/713eae47df8b274a1b60663338c9c6bc,21,1.jpg
http://m.onet.pl/_m/3f4630df9c100464060413250d6fcbb0,21,1.jpg
http://m.onet.pl/_m/504868f9b4535a6f657275d29c442b86,21,1.jpg
http://m.onet.pl/_m/58e83bcd7a1b0dc30837a3d854189b47,21,1.jpg

Proposed visions of Warsaw stadium :
http://m.onet.pl/_m/748ac3bfd736eaecaa784b35680bf4f2,9,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/2ec9c9f6e2a99855c76baf098d552e2b,9,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/3cf117d91e59ba8dbe172e8324df0f71,21,1.jpg

http://i2.tinypic.com/853c460.jpg


those are not the proposed designs for Warsaw, but companie's other projects. First one for Johannesburg (Soccer City Stadium), 3rd one is Arup's for HongKong

ARUP is bidding? I had no idea.....
anyway at the moment this White'n'Red one is the best

and the second one is the interior structure of the new mestalla in valencia. But i'd say the best one is the third one down(as posted by DocentX), i think its by HOK, really good architects.

Mein favourite
http://m.onet.pl/_m/3cf117d91e59ba8dbe172e8324df0f71,21,1.jpg

is warsaw at the sea side? :)

come on! Those are other projects...

is warsaw at the sea side? :)

come on! Those are other projects...

Where can u see a sea? Its just a river :lol:

We just got the news that Kyiv will also get another stadium, it's not for Euro-2012 but could be used for various activities surrounding the actual games, for practice and other crap like that. Anyway, the businessman who recently purchased Kyiv's Arsenal FC said he wants to build a 45k arena with a retractable roof.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fe/Arsenal-Kiev.png

Donetsk prepares to commence construction on their 5 star, 22 floors high hotel complex that will accomodate tourists during the Euro 2012 championship

:banana:

PUSHKINSKY
http://genplan.donetsk.ua/files/Image/proecty/hotel%20pushkin/IMG_2427s.jpg

http://genplan.donetsk.ua/files/Image/proecty/hotel%20pushkin/IMG_2428s.jpg

most recent visualization of Poznan municipal stadium
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8591/49577077lz3.jpg

and actual project of up-grating "second stand" (adding 3rd level)

there is a bid in progress which should decide which company will build it
though I don't know who is bidding at the moment :(


Architektura - elewacje:

http://images33.fotosik.pl/47/45a7ce4e70fdc7b4.jpg

http://images29.fotosik.pl/114/99aec614a05f1ba0.jpg

http://images34.fotosik.pl/47/4a34ed1fc64291a5.jpg

http://images33.fotosik.pl/47/6f1b8119eedf2c9b.jpg

and actual project of up-grating "second stand" (adding 3rd level)

wait is the second stand the one that is built already? and are they "up-grading" it so that all of the stands will come together for the roof or will the stand that is already built remain lower than the other ones?

yes, the second stand is already build. now there is one level to be add.
Being honest it is the stand you can see here (the most remote one):
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8591/49577077lz3.jpg


it will be build now without 'edges' because it will be constructed once two large stands will be replaced

and no, as 3 stands (1st 2nd 3rd) will have 3 levels ans 4th will have two only (this one is also build already but will not be changed because it is covered with roof)

I like Warsaw's...reminds me a bit of Allianz (unless of course the design's been changed already)

http://stadiony.net/projects/stadion_narodowy/stadion_narodowy03.jpg

http://stadiony.net/projects/stadion_narodowy/stadion_narodowy04.jpg

http://stadiony.net/projects/stadion_narodowy/stadion_narodowy06.jpg

Anybody got some decent pics of the venue of the final?

Railroads with the speed of 200km/h that will be available. This includes both existing and the planned ones.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/uk/a/a3/High_speed_trains.PNG

Poznan update:
this is an architectonic model (not prepared for tunnel tests yet)


GyCvWK5tWNU

Looks good to me :)

Some stadiums are really nice in both countries

How about Higway Projects and airports in Ukraine?


Railroads with the speed of 200km/h that will be available. This includes both existing and the planned ones.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/uk/a/a3/High_speed_trains.PNG

They were already addressed here on previous pages.

Wow... I just went through all 22 pages of this thread. :nuts:
It is depressing not seeing any construction pictures from Poland's side...
Does anyone have any pictures of any constructions related things going on?

in Poznan there is expansion of taxiway and apron in progress
(there is also a little part added to a building due to Shengen zone extension)

only those images I found:


http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3240/86833185kp7.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1228/99873473yv7.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5055/27689690mo3.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7511/87369959oj9.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5697/65844387rp3.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6262/26723382fu9.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5749/50439972gd0.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7226/27205945xa6.jpg

Thanks! Look at that progress....:lol:

Euro 2012 training ground could be privately financed
21st November 2007

Irish developer Global Partners Investment Fund can invest up to zł.180 million in Warsaw's Skra stadium if the city council allows the constructing of apartments on an area of the site. "One month ago we submitted Skra as a lodging and training base for Euro2012. Skra can become such place if the city council positively assesses our proposal by September 2008.

http://www.wbj.pl/?command=article&id=39269

will Ukrainian stadiums be bigger than Polish stadiums?

where will the final game host?

Final match will take place in Kyiv.

I think some arenas will be bigger in Poland, some in Ukraine

Winning project of Wroclaw stadium :banana::banana::banana:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/gesah/DSCF0583.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/gesah/DSCF0580.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/gesah/DSCF0600.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/gesah/DSCF0587.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/gesah/DSCF0572.jpg


And how the lighting will look like
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More pics: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=303762&page=63

Thanks! Look at that progress....:lol:

I guess that even a little progress is better than none...

Anyway, company I work for is designing so called "3rd ring" that will surround the city with most likely 3 lanes in each direction (though it is believed that full circle will not be completed till 2012)


^^ not bad, but quite far from brilliant :P

Great design !

Awesome design! I love the color changing.
Now let's break ground on this stadium! :cheers:

Poland convicts may build sports stadiums
Published: Nov. 28, 2007 at 1:56 PM

WARSAW, Poland, Nov. 28 (UPI) -- A Polish government minister has come up with a plan to employ convicts to build stadiums for the European soccer championships in 2012.

Polish Justice Minister Zbigniew Cwiakalski said employing convicts would temporarily solve the issue of Polish overcrowded prisons and would provide cheap labor force needed to build six stadiums for the Euro 2012 soccer championships, Polish Radio reported Wednesday.

More at....
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Quirks/2007/11/28/poland_convicts_may_build_sports_stadiums/9959/

^^ seems like a good plan... but are the convicts qualified to build such structures?

^^ seems like a good plan... but are the convicts qualified to build such structures?

I think that they are qualified to do basic grunt labor. I guess we will see...

Poland convicts may build sports stadiums
Published: Nov. 28, 2007 at 1:56 PM

WARSAW, Poland, Nov. 28 (UPI) -- A Polish government minister has come up with a plan to employ convicts to build stadiums for the European soccer championships in 2012.

Polish Justice Minister Zbigniew Cwiakalski said employing convicts would temporarily solve the issue of Polish overcrowded prisons and would provide cheap labor force needed to build six stadiums for the Euro 2012 soccer championships, Polish Radio reported Wednesday.

More at....
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Quirks/2007/11/28/poland_convicts_may_build_sports_stadiums/9959/

:lol:

New Project

37 Flours

1 672 000 sq metres

World’s largest Structure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/27335.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/klh.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/klhg.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/oigu.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/ouy.jpg

Video
http://moemisto.com.ua/1200

Ukraine: where insanity comes alive

^^
^^ wtf is this????:nuts:

It is the modern Colosseum, largest structure ever built, a skyscraper sporting arena :)

it's a joke right ?

No, it was shown on national tv

Btw, you can see from the renders that it is two different projects

it's a joke right ?

Nope, they are that crazy... 37 flours of casinos, bars, cinemas, ice hokey arena, 100 000 m2 worth of conference halls. By area it will be world's largest structure surpassing... Burj Dubai?

there is also a ski-dome in plans to be build in Dubai ... though it will be a dome of max 50m height "only" :]

^^ freak idea IMHO


EDIT:

"3rd ring" roads to be finished till 2011 (as I mentioned previously)
//build or rebuild//
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/2/4718/z4718082X.jpg

Thats a ugly and kitsch stadium :ohno:

Well, finally we have the winner! National Stadium in Warsaw will be projecting by JSK. It will be finished in autumn 2011.

JSK conception (not final project)
http://www.dziennik.pl/files/archive/00025/wizualizacja2_25866l.jpg
http://m.onet.pl/_m/713eae47df8b274a1b60663338c9c6bc,21,1.jpg
http://m.onet.pl/_m/3f4630df9c100464060413250d6fcbb0,21,1.jpg
http://m.onet.pl/_m/504868f9b4535a6f657275d29c442b86,21,1.jpg
http://m.onet.pl/_m/58e83bcd7a1b0dc30837a3d854189b47,21,1.jpg

capacity?
I have forgot the other proposals, but its a very nice one
especially the inspiration with traditional things

^^
capacity: 55 000

New Project

37 Flours

1 672 000 sq metres

World’s largest Structure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/27335.jpg

That would have to be the most disgusting stadium ever. If they build it, some other country should host the Euro along with Poland.

^^
capacity: 55 000
Thanks. Thtas very good. Not too big and too small.
Will a club use it?
How many suits will it have?

very nice and different. Not an ordinary organic design

The facade representing the Polish flag looks cool. Although I don't really like the make up of it.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/oigu.jpg

Wow, that's... really weird! Are you sure it is a final project?

That would have to be the most disgusting stadium ever.

I would say - one of the most disgusting. Americans know how to do that
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/indianapolis_oil1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/indianapolis_oil2.jpg

IMO that one in Kiev is even worse. It has Roman columns for crying out loud. It's pure oligarchy kitsch.

Thanks. Thtas very good. Not too big and too small.
Will a club use it?


Clubs won't use it, they'll have new stadiums as well.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/oigu.jpg

Wow, that's... really weird! Are you sure it is a final project?

No way, it's a new proposal (probably 5th or 6th by now), not sure what reactions it will cause but i like it... It can become WORLD'S LARGEST STRUCTURE! 37 flours, image how imposing this thing will look.... :)

Kampflamm, i understand where you are coming from, it looks like a house of some warlord in the middle east, but This is a stadium of the future, it can be filled up all 70k every day, just by the amount of costumers in malls and restaurants in the complex...

I don't have a problem with the concept, I have a huge problem with the design. It's trying to look expensive but it looks incredibly cheap.

Wow, a building couldn't look more kitschy than that! May I throw up now?

I love the Warsaw stadium!

best choice for Warsaw I must admit....
hopefully they'll build it on time :]
still I think it is waste of money though because it will be used for EURO and international games only

So the Kyiv stadium in addition to being the largest structure ever built will also be the kitschiest design on the planet, great for tourism :banana:

The people who are into that kind of architecture probably can't afford to leave their village.

Americans?

despite building such an ugly stadium like presented in Ukraine, they should spend more money for infrastructure, because it's disaster right now. We have bad infrastructure, but the contrast between our countries is really huge.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/oigu.jpg

Wow, that's... really weird! Are you sure it is a final project?

That would have to be the most disgusting stadium ever. If they build it, some other country should host the Euro along with Poland.

If they build this shit then Kyiv can forget about hosting the final match for Euro 2012. The project clearly violates UEFA safety guidelines.

despite building such an ugly stadium like presented in Ukraine, they should spend more money for infrastructure, because it's disaster right now. We have bad infrastructure, but the contrast between our countries is really huge.

That's true. But I can also say that we don't get 10 billion euros from EU every year to build roads, so it's not that easy.

In terms of subway infrastructure, even with EU billions Poland will need 30 years to catch up with current ukrainian network.

In terms of subway infrastructure, even with EU billions Poland will need 30 years to catch up with current ukrainian network.

in terms of country roads, trams, bus system,hotels, airports and overall development, Ukraine would need more than that to catch up Poland, lets face it you, are far poorer country.

Kyiv is now building 2 new tram lines and plans to launch into operation 6 new trolleybus lines.

Kyiv is now building 2 new tram lines and plans to launch into operation 6 new trolleybus lines.

wow thats almost like my city, not as big as Kiev, dont forget to change your equipment because last time I was in Lviv I felt like in 50's :)
BTW Gdansk introduces electronic board system :chees:

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/4/4677/z4677204Z.jpg

and new lines

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/8119/dscn0332ejy6.jpg

on 22nd December, first part of A1 motorway from Gdansk to be opened :cheers:

edit maybe minor at its importance but we have the best and biggest shopping malls in EE and CE, so is with aquaparks (they are being built everywhere), we have developed mountain resort infrastructure - unlike Ukraine, everything matters because Euro does not finish on stadiums after all.

wow thats almost like my city, not as big as Kiev, dont forget to change your equipment because last time I was in Lviv I felt like in 50's :)
BTW Gdansk introduces electronic board system :chees:

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/4/4677/z4677204Z.jpg

and new lines

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/8119/dscn0332ejy6.jpg

on 22nd December, first part of A1 motorway from Gdansk to be opened :cheers:

edit maybe minor at its importance but we have the best and biggest shopping malls in EE and CE, so is with aquaparks (they are being built everywhere), we have developed mountain resort infrastructure - unlike Ukraine, everything matters because Euro does not finish on stadiums after all.

Read my reply delfin.

Read my reply delfin.

ok we get huge money from Brussels, but we are not able to use it all, I meant that Poland has 3 times higher budget on its own than Ukraine.

I think that Ukraine is doing anyway remarkably well, despite financial shortcomings. I agree with Pavlo, Poland has a way easier task thanks to EU money. Only this and next year it'll start being fully visible, as the money from EU budget 2007-2013 starts streaming. So Delfin is also right saying, that until now we were mostly relying on our own budget, as EU's financial support was very marginal in years 2004-2006, but now it's about to change.

in terms of country roads, trams, bus system,hotels, airports and overall development, Ukraine would need more than that to catch up Poland, lets face it you, are far poorer country.

Stop yourself please. Its a second thread I read for 20 minutes when you are trying to extol. I hate to read somebody telling someone that he is poorer or uglier (or his country is). A lil bit of empathy please. Imagine A German saying that Poland is 80 years behind them and you are soo poor and the poverty is huge. I am just seeing you defending Poland for all costs saying its not true and flloding the forum with 100s of photos of modern Poland.