Cause it's true. Poland is waaay behing Germany in terms of infrastructure. It's a fact.

It has nothing to do with empathy.

Ukraine better start doing something about its infrastructure or in 6 years it will 100 years behind Poland.

Cause it's true. Poland is waaay behing Germany in terms of infrastructure. It's a fact.

It has nothing to do with empathy.

Ukraine better start doing something about its infrastructure or in 6 years it will 100 years behind Poland.

That was an example. What I ment was that the fact of being less wealthy shouldn't be so directly pointed out.

I think that the point delfin was trying to make is that Poland is ahead of Ukraine in just about everything besides building stadiums, I'm refering here to the Euro games of course. Some posts before everybody was saying how Ukraine is way ahead of Poland because few stadiums are getting build. The truth is, that stadiums are only part of the story. Thers roads, railroads, airports, hotels etc that are as important.

Why does everyone focus on ukrainian stadiums and not infrastructure plans and projects that are already underway such as airport terminals, subways, hotels, roads etc. of which we informed you guys? Just because we're building stadiums instead of thinking about them doesn't mean nothing else is being done.

By the way, one of the reasons why Ukraine doesn't buy foreign buses, trolleys, trams, subways and trains is because we make all of that ourselves, they're not of the most remarkable design but it supports our economy and we have too many protectionist laws.

Ukrainian tram, made in Dnipro (yes I know those EU made trams look a lot cooler)
http://www.odessa.ua/images/Image/Transport/Tramvay1(1).jpg

Ukrainian bus, made in Lviv
http://www.ruz.net/~trans/media/pictures/A183_08355_resize.jpg

Ukrainian metro train, made in Poltava region
http://www.kvsz.com/images/m-10.jpg

Our "leaders" decided to apply protectionism over the last decade, it slowed down growth and liberalization of the economy, but our companies survived and their products are now finally gaining in quality and will soon be able to compete with western vehicles.

Delfin, that's great that your town is getting 2 tram and 6 trolleybus lines in one year. Poland is reforming itself quite rapidly. I'm happy for Poland to which I owe some percentage of my blood ;)

Ukraine: where insanity comes alive

:lol: Well Ukraine and the rest of Eastern Europe. That render is hopefully just a bad taste joke

Why do polish people start this stupid argument? If you have better infrastructure then its good for you! Dont worry about us and dont tell us what to do we know what we have to build and modernize we will do fine. I just hope you guys do as well as we!

^It's not that we start the stupid argument, we just respond to people getting worried that Poland is behind Ukraine just because we are a little behind in our stadium constructions. People seem to ignore that theres more to organizing euro than stadiums.

Not really, you're just trying to make it look like Ukraine is so stupid that it's ONLY building stadiums and ignores everything else.

All I'm saying is that Ukrainian forumers seem way too optimistic about progress in their country and way too concerned about development in Poland.

Optimistic? :lol: It's the Poles that keep on saying that nothing happens in Poland and then another half of Poles criticizing them. While Ukrainian forumers are discussing whether Euro will be taken away from us (just not here, where we pretend that everything is fine) or not.

It's the Poles that keep on saying that nothing happens in Poland
why don't you do the same(about Ukraine) ?:ohno:

why don't you do the same(about Ukraine) ?:ohno:

Go to Ukrainian forum, and read some of the posts. Sorry if you can't understand Cyrillic.

we're both fvcked if we don't do it on time, we'll be the laughing stock of Europe and the world.

^^ I agree!

Sorry if you can't understand Cyrillic.
I do. He doesn't have to. What's you point

Actually I do understand cyrillic and ukrainian is much easyer to understand then russian metbe it's just more simmilar to polish but I think you should be more pessimistic also in english so everyone can understand... it's not propaganda thread isn't it:dunno:

I do. He doesn't have to. What's you point

My point is that we're not over the top happy about how preparation is going for Euro 2012. He doesn't seem to understand that.

We're just posting news here. What's the problem? :crazy:

Exactly. Lots of blah blah without a point. If others want to start a "Ukraine&Poland 2012 unpreparedness thread", then go ahead. I want to see just the news, not bullshit talk.

Lad's finish this O-T and just go to the topic please.
if you feel you need a chat go to PM

thanks

Exactly. Lots of blah blah without a point. If others want to start a "Ukraine&Poland 2012 unpreparedness thread", then go ahead. I want to see just the news, not bullshit talk.

thats right... stop spamming!!

What a stupid discussion! Stop it right now, still both have plenty to do!

Weirdo ^^ The discussion stopped yesterday and sice then ur the fifth person in a row to tell ppl to stop going off top but in fact the discussion is already done. Don't you think that just 1 comment telling not to spam is enough? Its ironic that u are making ot by saying not to do it (anyway my post is ot as well:), but I just wanted to express how it feels)

Ukraine coach concerned about Kiev stadium for Euro 2012

KIEV, Dec 3 (Reuters) - A dispute surrounding a construction site next to Kiev's main stadium could lead to Ukraine losing the chance to host the final of the 2012 European championship, national coach Oleg Blokhin warned on Monday.
Ukraine are co-hosting the tournament with Poland but both FIFA and UEFA have said the construction of a shopping and leisure centre by Kiev's 84,000-seat Soviet-era Olympic stadium would break safety rules by blocking some emergency exits.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,,-7123179,00.html

Weirdo ^^ The discussion stopped yesterday and sice then ur the fifth person in a row to tell ppl to stop going off top but in fact the discussion is already done. Don't you think that just 1 comment telling not to spam is enough? Its ironic that u are making ot by saying not to do it (anyway my post is ot as well:), but I just wanted to express how it feels)

What you gonna cry now?

Guys please keep this thread warm. As you know many forumers are so interesting in this thread. Plz make new updates.

I also want to say something, after weak 2008 venues and complexes, 2012 will be so different. Bravo to both countries.

New Visualisation of Baltic Arena Gdansk

KM4VwFmUCQc

Wroclaw (45.000 capacity)- construction starts in the 3rd quarter of 2008
Warszawa (55.000 capacity)- construction starts in the 3rd/4th quarter of 2008

Poznan update:

http://tinypic.pl/t1/out.php/i61351_stadion.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8591/49577077lz3.jpg

3O9uc0vuaMM

Guys please keep this thread warm. As you know many forumers are so interesting in this thread. Plz make new updates.

I also want to say something, after weak 2008 venues and complexes, 2012 will be so different. Bravo to both countries.

Yeah, you are building many +40.000 stadiums although you just need +30.000.

Maybe therefore Turkey will built for EURO 2016 or EURO 2020 more +40.000 stadiums :D

I think it's much better to build 40k+ though - it's more impressive, brings in more money and leaves behind much better stadia for after the competition.

IMO, building ~30k stadiums [for Euro competitions] are a waste.

^^ I'm not sure if you're right, as in many countries even 30k stadiums will be empty during no-EURO games probably. And as we all know it is all about the money. If on 40k stadium there will be 8-12k of spectators on league games no club will be able to pay the bills...

....but on the other hand 30k is not enough for EURO games

The thread is over 500 posts, shouldn't it be closed and a new one opened?

Let's wait till 1000 post ;) We still have got a lot of contruction ahead of us.

toda la infraestructura sorprende

los estadios para la euro 2012 muy bonitos

WTF ? Viva Polonia, Viva Ucraina!

Infrastructure news: Kyiv will soon build (unclear to what extent) and utilize Siemens trams. Some controversy around it, since LAZ (Lviv Auto Zavod) is coming out with their trams in a few months. In any case, by 2012 Kyivan transportation system will completely replace metro's and trams.

From presentation of the Siemens:

http://www.kmv.gov.ua/images/clipart/85104.jpg

http://www.kmv.gov.ua/images/clipart/85102.jpg


The new LAZ (completely ukrainian engineered, designed and made) tram. Unfortunately only a black-and-white xeroxed pic :( but it will probably look cool
http://www.komitet.kiev.ua/temp/laz.jpg
_____

Donbas Arena continues to rise despite some problems with the Turkish company. Notice their new logo

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/1.jpg http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/2.jpg
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/3.jpg http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/4.jpg
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/5.jpg http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/6.jpg
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/7.jpg http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/8.jpg
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/9.jpg http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/10.jpg
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/11.jpg http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/12.jpg
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/13.jpg http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/14.jpg
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/15.jpg http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/16.jpg
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/17.jpg http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/18.jpg

New logo of "Shahtar"
http://news.img.com.ua/pix/i573/573769.gif

Dnipro Stadium is pretty much completed
http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_14/_MG_3636.jpg

Lviv: the investor of the Lvivian stadium will be known by december 18th. The city approved project plans for:

33 hectares of land to be utilized. Capacity of 33000 football arena. 1200 parking spaces. Three stars hotel for 200 or more rooms. Sport-concert complex with capacity of 7000 or more.

^^Nice development.

That new logo of Shahtar oddly reminds me of a certain company's logo, located further in the East. ;)

Lol, we actually had a discussion on that in the Ukrainian section. But it's got nothing to do with it, Akhmetov is his own man :laugh:

Yeah, then we found out on their web-site that it's suppose to symbolzie Tryzub (our coat of arms)

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/07_12_07_1/9.jpg

http://www.president.gov.ua/img/ua/smallgerb.jpg

:crazy:

Infrastructure news: Kharkiv will get 6 new subway stations by 2012, a total of new 10 kilometers of underground rails :banana:

Why did their name change from Waxmap to Waxtap?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c3/Shakhtar_donetsk_logo.PNG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Shakhtar.newlogo.png

Why did their name change from Waxmap to Waxtap?

Schachtar :-)
Russish isn't Ukrainian

Because Waxtap has a more modern sound to it.

if you have 5min spree you can check out how did the progress of stand no2 look like here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbmWg9exBng

anyway Poznan Airport is finally doing a good job and new destinations are being open each month, at the moment we have 17 (July we had 9, so quite a significant improvement :) )

EDIT:
this is how it will look Spring time
http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gcmap?PATH=POZ-WAW,POZ-MUC,POZ-FRA,POZ-DTM,POZ-STN,POZ-LTN,POZ-LPL,POZ-DUB,POZ-CPH,POZ-MMX,POZ-NYO,POZ-BRS,POZ-DSA,POZ-PIK,POZ-EDI,POZ-CIA,POZ-BVA,POZ-TRF,POZ-EMA,POZ-GRO,POZ-LGW,POZ-MAN,POZ-KRK&PATH-COLOR=red&MARKER=1

Schachtar :-)

I think it's Shahtar...

In German it's transliterated as Schachtar, but it means Bergarbeiter/Minenarbeiter

I think it's Shahtar...

Szachtar :)

anyway Poznan Airport is finally doing a good job and new destinations are being open each month, at the moment we have 17 (July we had 9, so quite a significant improvement :) )

Awesome news!!:cheers::cheers:

2007-12-19
PKP: major revamp in connection with Euro 2012

Polish State Railways (PKP) has announced a programme of major investments in connection with the country’s preparations for Euro 2012. It intends to modernise 1,200 km of railway line and 15 stations and also plans to change and revamp rolling stock.....

More @ http://www.polishmarket.com/next.php?id=56054

:banana::banana::banana:

Wow good updates! Good Job!

According to Ministry of Sport, the government will not give money for Poznan, Gdańsk, Wroclał EURO arenas (previous government decided to support cities with approx 30% founding) They will only give money for Warsaw stadium. As they said "previous agreements were made with former government not with current one"
So Communist idea "only capitol that matters" is still in use in Poland :ohno:

fu#$%'n bustards...

It means that 3 cities will have to take huge loans :-/

But sport ministry said that money will be given in next year. In my opinion it is good decidion. Until we havent got projects and finished paperwork monet is not nessecary.

I must disagree.

I know that 2 stadiums are 100% virtual only,
but Wroclaw stadium is pushing forward...
In Poznan it is all about money - if there will be no gov. support
the stadium will be much smaller (we have 2 projects: 'small' and 'big' capacity)
And because we have construction underway all the changes cause stadium look
more and more crap...

Infrastructure news: Kyiv will soon build (unclear to what extent) and utilize Siemens trams. Some controversy around it, since LAZ (Lviv Auto Zavod) is coming out with their trams in a few months. In any case, by 2012 Kyivan transportation system will completely replace metro's and trams.

From presentation of the Siemens:

http://www.kmv.gov.ua/images/clipart/85104.jpg

http://www.kmv.gov.ua/images/clipart/85102.jpg


The new LAZ (completely ukrainian engineered, designed and made) tram. Unfortunately only a black-and-white xeroxed pic :( but it will probably look cool
http://www.komitet.kiev.ua/temp/laz.jpg
_____

Donbas Arena continues to rise despite some problems with the Turkish company. Notice their new logo

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/1.jpg http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/2.jpg
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/3.jpg http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/4.jpg
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/5.jpg http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/6.jpg
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/7.jpg http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/8.jpg
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/9.jpg http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/10.jpg
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/11.jpg http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/12.jpg
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/13.jpg http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/14.jpg
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/15.jpg http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/16.jpg
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/17.jpg http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/1107/18.jpg

New logo of "Shahtar"
http://news.img.com.ua/pix/i573/573769.gif

Dnipro Stadium is pretty much completed
http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_14/_MG_3636.jpg

Lviv: the investor of the Lvivian stadium will be known by december 18th. The city approved project plans for:

33 hectares of land to be utilized. Capacity of 33000 football arena. 1200 parking spaces. Three stars hotel for 200 or more rooms. Sport-concert complex with capacity of 7000 or more.

very impressive update :okay:

Fresh pictures from Kharkiv reserve arena. Cap 43,000. Kharkiv will also build 6 additional subway stations prior to 2012 that will make travel for tourists more convenient.

http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1198689571_img_4214.jpg

http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1198689495_img_4202.jpg

http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1198689540_img_4204.jpg

http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1198594659_img_4191.jpg

That LAZ tram is actually CROtram of Zagreb

Here is a photo they used for their b/w brochure (the one where you can clearly see '2210')
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/7373/linija11dubec2210pb8.jpg

Journalists probably couldn't find real pics :(

Well actually all photos on that paper are CROtram including interior. Hopefully LAZ will not just rip this one off but make something original.

We'll find out in a matter of weeks, they say it's almost done.

how much does Ukraine spend for EURO?

What do you mean, government spending or what? Or how much was spent already altogether, without future spendings?

budgate for EURO totally?

There's no such thing as budget for it.

what did you pay for Airports, Highways, Stadiums and Infrasutructure of the cities so far?

It's too difficult to calculate, especially with the roads, because there were ongoing road projects.

___
Here is a project for the Donetsk railroad station, it will cost 3.2 billion hryvnias (5 hryvnia = 1 dollar)
http://gazeta.donetsk.ua/city/img/%C4%EE%ED%E5%F6%EA-%E2%E0%F02-%EF%E5%F0%E5%E4%E0%F7%E0%EE%EF%F2.jpg

Finally a rendering from the Swiss company of the Lvivian stadium. This is one of the two options for Lviv, the second is an Austrian project which we haven't seen yet. This project is easily expandable to 52,000 according to the architects. The cost is 150,000,000 euros, which is a lot more expensive than the Dnipro arena. Swiss project is cheaper, at 85,000,000 euros
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/28782.jpg

That LAZ tram is actually CROtram of Zagreb

Here is a photo they used for their b/w brochure (the one where you can clearly see '2210')
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/7373/linija11dubec2210pb8.jpg

Here's a bigger picture:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8715/tek20deseti20od20sedamdeset8ye.jpg

I love these trams :cheers: I hope LAZ doesn't steal them, that would be really low, they should make something of their own. Or you can buy Crotrams, that's fine too :)

Finally a rendering from the Swiss company of the Lvivian stadium. This is one of the two options for Lviv, the second is an Austrian project which we haven't seen yet. This project is easily expandable to 52,000 according to the architects. The cost is 150,000,000 euros, which is a lot more expensive than the Dnipro arena. Swiss project is cheaper, at 85,000,000 euros
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/28782.jpg


This is not a rendering, it's a picture of the Stade de Suisse in Bern.

It's great to see you are not only building the stadiums (most of them look really good) but also some new infrastructure.

This is not a rendering, it's a picture of the Stade de Suisse in Bern.

It's great to see you are not only building the stadiums (most of them look really good) but also some new infrastructure.

Stupid journalists wrote that it was a render of their proposal :bash:

don't trust journalists... :D

no photo update?

no update at all ?

WTF ?

Relax, photos from Donetsk Stadium construction 11.1.08

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/11_01_08/1.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/11_01_08/2.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/11_01_08/3.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/11_01_08/4.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/11_01_08/5.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/11_01_08/6.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/11_01_08/7.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/11_01_08/8.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/11_01_08/9.jpg

wow - that is going smooth :)

what temperatures you have? seems that winter is not slowing down the progress

small update from Poznan:

model of stadium:

thanks to fgdf

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1075/rogimn5.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7628/stad1aj2.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6479/stad2iu1.jpg

9 hotels will open in Kyiv this year. In 2009 7 more hotels, including a Hilton will open. In 2007 three hotels were opened in the city, including a Hyatt of 250 rooms.
http://blog.kievukraine.info/uploaded_images/5075-754305.jpg
35 hotels are under construction at the moment in the capital. Quality and price range is diversified, including 2, 3, 4 and 5 star hotels. About 70 more hotels will exist in Kyiv in 2012 as opposed to now.
http://prokiev.com.ua/rus/news/2008/01/11/110044.html
http://www.blagovest.com/show/news.lisp?id=7722
http://www.glavred.info/archive/2007.../162713-4.html

Hilton will be a highrise of 26 floors. It is under construction right now.
http://i15.tinypic.com/33dwq4l.jpg

http://i15.tinypic.com/2qxsspl.jpg

what did you pay for Airports, Highways, Stadiums and Infrasutructure of the cities so far?



Poland approves 35 billion Euro budget for Road construction in 2008-2012
2008= 625km of motorways U/c
515km of Expressways U/c
2009= 975km of Expressways U/c
300km of Motorways
2010=????

The Railways will have budget in the region of 20 billion Euros for 2008-12. 1200km of Rail to be modernised or constructed, 15 train stations will be rebuilt or Built from scratch. Also 310 new trains will be purchased including 20 highspeed trains.
High speed train link
Katowice-Krakow-Warsaw-Gdansk= Warsaw-Gdansk part is partly U/C(modernisation of existing line)
Katowice to Warsaw is meant to be 300km/h
Warsaw to Gdansk=250km/h
And High speed rail line Y is a completly new rail link (all 300km/h)
Poznan
------------------Lodz-Warsaw= Approved by the Rail authorities
Wroclaw

As you can see the Stadiums are the least expensive thing in this whole project, Also the Warsaw metro is expected to cost in exess of 1bn euros, so are other transport and infastructure projects in other host cities

wich are the new highway projects? could you show map?

wich are the new highway projects? could you show map?

These are the projects of highways and expressways and their current advancement.
http://www.gddkia.gov.pl/images/user/2/2304c83ec3764e11d1b154043f9fea27.jpg

http://www.gddkia.gov.pl/images/user/e/e33f583300b91bcbe2109ba4ae9d74e5.jpg

sorry, could you translate the meanning of the colours please?

These are the projects of highways and expressways and their current advancement.
http://www.gddkia.gov.pl/images/user/2/2304c83ec3764e11d1b154043f9fea27.jpg

http://www.gddkia.gov.pl/images/user/e/e33f583300b91bcbe2109ba4ae9d74e5.jpg

White = project being prepared
Yellow = environmental license approved
Orange = decision of location approved (allows to purchase the needed land)
Green = Yellow + Orange
Grey = lincense for construction approved (allows organizing a tender for construction works)
Black = construction project ready
Red = tender or public-private partnership negotiations
Purple = under construction
Blue = constructed

Poles have always liked to complicate things:lol:

What's so complicated ? You have to adhere to modern standards of doing things.

Poznan stadium by night

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/1839/26667130xn3.jpg
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7140/94933050le9.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3760/67363937cf5.jpg
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/1839/26667130xn3.jpg
Z forum Lecha

White = project being prepared
Yellow = environmental license approved
Orange = decision of location approved (allows to purchase the needed land)
Green = Yellow + Orange
Grey = lincense for construction approved (allows organizing a tender for construction works)
Black = construction project ready
Red = tender or public-private partnership negotiations
Purple = under construction
Blue = constructed

thank you my friend :okay:

You're welcome :cheers:

Poznan and Gdansk are my Favourite Polish stadiums
How are you Ukranians doing with infastructure investment? I know your doing well with the stadiums but dont know about your roads and rail? Any high speed rail planned

more Poznan renders:

http://www.mconstructions.pl/lech1.jpg http://www.mconstructions.pl/lech2.jpg

http://www.mconstructions.pl/lech3.jpg http://www.mconstructions.pl/lech4.jpg

http://www.mconstructions.pl/lech%201.jpg http://www.mconstructions.pl/lech%202.jpg

-Kubaura / Cubic volume 1 300 000m3
-Powierzchnia / Floor space 250 000m2
- 50 000 miejsc /seats

Poznan and Gdansk are my Favourite Polish stadiums
How are you Ukranians doing with infastructure investment? I know your doing well with the stadiums but dont know about your roads and rail? Any high speed rail planned

No. Be prepared for this when you come to us for the matches:

http://www.desertsun.co.uk/blog/images/Oxa%20road.jpg

Pavle...always the pessimist;)

Poznan and Gdansk are my Favourite Polish stadiums
How are you Ukranians doing with infastructure investment? I know your doing well with the stadiums but dont know about your roads and rail? Any high speed rail planned

We've informed about all the infrastructure news on the previous pages, let's not flood the thread with copy pastings, just go back and read :)

We've informed about all the infrastructure news on the previous pages, let's not flood the thread with copy pastings, just go back and read :)

not much then apart from a new tram in Kiev :lol:

:lol::lol:No. Be prepared for this when you come to us for the matches:

http://www.desertsun.co.uk/blog/images/Oxa%20road.jpg

:lol: Those are russian roads our newspaper was making fun of them :lol:

No. Be prepared for this when you come to us for the matches:

http://www.desertsun.co.uk/blog/images/Oxa%20road.jpg

Geez... Bon voyage! :lol:

Most of my posts here were regarding infrastructure, don't be lazy.

This is only from the first couple of pages.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=12815447&postcount=2
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=13846735&postcount=80
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=14165411&postcount=142
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=14165551&postcount=143
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=14777105&postcount=198
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=14826195&postcount=200

:lol::lol:

:lol: Those are russian roads our newspaper was making fun of them :lol:

Wasn't it a highway in Siberia :dunno:

Poland will open its labor market for Eastern neighbours - finally!


[Ratujemy Euro 2012 i otwieramy się na pracowników ze Wschodu

Dziennik "Polska" pisze, że Ukraińcy, Białorusini i Rosjanie zbudują nam stadiony na Euro 2012. Już od lutego będzie można zatrudniać obcokrajowców ze Wschodu na pół roku, a nie - jak dotychczas - na trzy miesiące.

Gazeta przypomina, że obywatele Ukrainy, Białorusi i Rosji mogli być zatrudnieni na trzymiesięczny okres, a następnie - czekać kolejne trzy miesiące na kolejne zezwolenie.

Resort pracy przygotowuje nowe przepisy dotyczące zatrudniania obcokrajowców na kontraktach. Polska będzie bowiem potrzebować 300 tysięcy pracowników budowlanych w związku z przygotowaniem Mistrzostw Europy. Chodzi między innymi o Chińczyków.

Dziennik "Polska" pisze, że zatrudnieniu pracowników budowlanych może sprzyjać również wprowadzenie unijnych zezwoleń na pracę, tak zwanej niebieskiej karty. Jest na to szansa w przyszłym roku.

Poland needs about 300 000 workers.Due to EU and Schengen laws, we have very stricted law for employing non EU citizens. We suffer because lack of construction workers, Ukrainians were bless for us but since we joined Schengen it is very difficult and expensive to enter Poland for them, there are strikes in front of Polish embassies because of that and demonstrations by Polish - Ukranian borders. Foreigners were given working visa for 3 months, Polish goverment is about to change it and give so called blue card for much longer time.

Warsaw

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/2/4891/z4891522X.jpg

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One thing i find great about this design is that it's not just another copy of any WE newly built stadiums, but a very distinguishable and characterisitc design. The more i look at it the more i like it.

Looks very special! I like it a lot, hopefully will be done until 2012.

Looks very special! I like it a lot, hopefully will be done until 2012.

Is there any other choice?;)

Gdansk Arena Is much better in my opinion.

One thing i find great about this design is that it's not just another copy of any WE newly built stadiums, but a very distinguishable and characterisitc design. The more i look at it the more i like it.

Same here.

i am of the other opinion - I don't like it. Why is the area even based on a basket design, what is the symbolism in that? Suppose it could've been a lot worse design then this.

One thing i find great about this design is that it's not just another copy of any WE newly built stadiums, but a very distinguishable and characterisitc design. The more i look at it the more i like it.

I agree :cheers:
It looks really good, though I don't like this "thing" in the middle of roof (mast?) :nuts:

I love it, looks a bit like the Donbas Arena :)

i am of the other opinion - I don't like it. Why is the area even based on a basket design, what is the symbolism in that? Suppose it could've been a lot worse design then this.

It's a stadium you know... Would you prefer wheel of Piast Kołodziej for inspiration ?

I love it, looks a bit like the Donbas Arena :)

Don't exagerate Staś, Donbas Arena looks much nicer.

Wow I really like it! Question ... Are they going to keep it after the the tournament or are they going to knock it down?
Btw I think that both the Gdansk arena and this one are very unique and interesting.

It's a stadium you know... Would you prefer wheel of Piast Kołodziej for inspiration ?

its just my own bias I am a big pessimist - I dunno maybe it'll grown me me. It certainly is original, and I do like it better then a lot of other stadiums in W Europe.

Dammit:(
Looks like I wasted my last & only opportunity to visit that market...i was there in april of last year, but it had already closed for the day:cry:

But Ill be in Warsaw again this spring and knowing Polish construction schedules, i may still get my chance:D

Btw, they really need to fix up that area around the stadium. I've never seen such a wasteland. Is at least a good waterfront (pedestrian walkways, restaurants, etc) too much to ask for?

^^^ Stop trolling around you idiot!

its just my own bias I am a big pessimist - I dunno maybe it'll grown me me. It certainly is original, and I do like it better then a lot of other stadiums in W Europe.
You didn't loose your polish mentality in Canada:okay:

Btw, they really need to fix up that area around the stadium. I've never seen such a wasteland. Is at least a good waterfront (pedestrian walkways, restaurants, etc) too much to ask for
It's kinda no-go area you know...

You didn't loose your polish mentality in Canada:okay:


:cheers: You know it - even my parents are more optimistic then me.

In fact forget the whole project - we're screwed anyhow - its only a matter of time before they give it to the Italians and we become the laughing stock of Europe. At which point Polish soccer fans will burn down the Sejm and Presidential Palace.

Dammit:(
Looks like I wasted my last & only opportunity to visit that market...i was there in april of last year, but it had already closed for the day:cry:

But Ill be in Warsaw again this spring and knowing Polish construction schedules, i may still get my chance:D

Btw, they really need to fix up that area around the stadium. I've never seen such a wasteland. Is at least a good waterfront (pedestrian walkways, restaurants, etc) too much to ask for?


Dziesięciolecia Stadium, also known as the Russian Market

Euro 2012 hosts get Uefa warning


Poland and Ukraine have been warned by governing body Uefa to speed up their preparations for Euro 2012.

There have been concerns that political change in both countries has affected projects such as stadiums and roads.

“The next four to six months will be crucial to avoid any critical slippage in infrastructure projects,” said Uefa president Michel Platini.

Uefa general secretary David Taylor added: “There has been progress, but it needs to be accelerated.”

Platini made the statement after a two-day meeting of Uefa’s executive committee in Zagreb which reviewed a report on the progress the two countries have made.

Poland and Ukraine, who were awarded the competition in April last year, have admitted that preparations had fallen behind because of political instability in both countries.

However, with new governments elected at the end of last year, Platini hopes that preparations can continue without hinderence.

“There is a need for creating government mobilisation by making the national authorities aware of the crucial need to set up a governance and management structure to lead all the projects related to Euro 2012,” he added.

“Uefa is totally committed to do everything possible, in the next few months, to assist and support the two associations, at both the advisory and administrative level and political level in order to guarantee the success of the project.”

The hosts have pledged that there is no danger of them failing to stage the event.

“The situation is very clear now and we have new authorities which are determined to fulfil all obligations,” said Polish Football Association president Michal Listkiewicz.

“Uefa is aware, as we are, that it will not be possible to complete some of the stadiums by the mid-2010 deadline as planned but there is no reason to panic and we have asked the soccer body to extend the deadline by six to eight months.

“The situation has improved in the last few months and there is no danger of not meeting all the requirements on time.”

Listkiewicz’s Ukrainian counterpart Grigoriy Surkis added: “Political stability is crucial and it’s now showing in both countries, which gives us a great opportunity to catch up.”

Taylor pledged Uefa’s full support to the hosts and said there were no plans to move the tournament to another country.

“We are not thinking about that at all at the moment,” he said. “There were some difficulties but these difficulties are now behind us.

“The two governments are committed to making this work.

“We certainly are not in the position of approaching and discussing alternative locations with any country at this stage at all. We categorically deny that.”

source: bbc.co.uk

Is there any other choice?;)

no :D

After months of debates about who will own, who will pay and other nonesense of the sort regarding the new Odesa football arena, the decision has been made and demolition of the old stadium is in full progress, as soon as it is over a new arena will begin construction in its space. Construction will take approximately 2.5 years and will be over by late 2010. Approximate cost of the new arena is estimated to be around 120 million euros, but as usually, it will rise during the construction.

Previously this design was presented a couple of months ago, but the final design is still unknown, planning contineus while the old arena is being demolished. The planned capacity is 50 000
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/st1.jpg

Reminder: Odesa stadium is one of the two reserve arenas for Ukraine.

Thanks to El Vampiro Ucraniano for the pics

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/img_1201793798.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/img_1201793824.jpg

Sure hope they don't change the color scheme for the new seats ;)
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:banana::cheers:

Great news!!!:cheers:

Question about the Polish stadium

There is a discrepancy in some of the renders where the stadium cladding is different. I prefer the more randomized cladding but in some renders its neatly divided red and white.

Reserve stadiums in Poland:

Chorzów

Today
http://republika.pl/blog_jp_33006/39326/tr/helik_stadion_slaski_4.jpg

And in 2010
http://www.fpgs.pl/img_news/zdj-110-0.jpg


Kraków

Today
http://www.pilka-nozna.com/images/stadion_wislakrakow02b.jpg

In 2010
http://www.eurochamp2012.com/images/krakow/wisla_krakow.jpg

Bullshit. This project of roof in Chorzów was rejected and we don't know how it will be look in future.
In Kraków project also is different now.

http://stadiony.net/project.php?p=149 :bash:

Bullshit. This project of roof in Chorzów was rejected and we don't know how it will be look in future.
In Kraków project also is different now.

http://stadiony.net/project.php?p=149 :bash:

wow the aggression :nuts:

double post

National Stadium Ready to Roll
By W.Ż.
6 February 2008

The government Jan. 31 unveiled plans for a national stadium in Warsaw.

The stadium is to be the venue for the opening match of the Euro 2012 European soccer championships. European soccer's governing body, the Union of European Football Associations (UEFA), has sternly criticized Polish and Ukrainian delays in preparing for the tournament. Officials from the relevant government departments of both countries, however, are confident that they will be ready on time.

The project designers, JSK Architekci, presented plans and a model of the stadium, complete with a facade designed as a fluttering Polish flag. A company official gave assurances that the facility will meet all UEFA criteria. The new stadium will be built on the earthen embankment of the capital's Dziesięciolecia Stadium. The pitch will be about eight meters higher than the existing one with underground parking for 1,700 cars. Existing tunnels will provide access to the parking garage. The facade will be made of transparent materials to give spectators a view of the city while viewers can get around via two arcades encircling the complex. There will be a permanent roof over the stand while the pitch will have a light cover that will unfold from the inside out. The stadium will have a seating capacity of 55,000.

Construction is scheduled to commence in March 2009 and finish in the fall of 2011. Preliminary work to reinforce the grounds with 20,000 stakes should be under way by September. The German consortium, led by JSK Architekci, has designed many similar projects in Germany, Poland, China and South Africa. In Poland, the consortium designed the Legia Warszawa soccer stadium and has won the tender to design the Wrocław stadium.

The latest UEFA report on the Euro 2012 preparations is a rap over the knuckles for Poland. Polish authorities have been roundly criticized for insufficient progress in building stadiums, freeways and airports. Even worse is what the report says about the country's lack of organization and its level of political incompetence and interference. Poland had three sports ministers in the space of a year and UEFA claims the government has been unable to devise a workable cooperative arrangement with the Polish soccer association.

UEFA president Michel Platini warned that further delays over the next five to six months may result in Poland and Ukraine losing the right to host the tournament. Italy and Scotland are standing by.

The Minister for Sport and Tourism Mirosław Drzewiecki has been at pains to play down the report, pointing out that the UEFA officials visited Poland in November and that much has changed since then. Apart from the National Stadium, the Wrocław design is at an advanced stage and Gdańsk is soon to announce its stadium designer. "After two months, the findings of the UEFA report are out of date. There's every reason to be optimistic that Poland and Ukraine will be able to organize the championships," said Drzewiecki.

The minister also said that Prime Minister Donald Tusk was due to sign cooperative agreements with Ukraine over joint ventures and Euro 2012 on Feb. 26 during a visit to Kiev.


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^^ :drool:

The only one that I am not to excited about is Poznan, it just seems really boring in comparison with the other ones. But the other three cities........:omg:
:cheers2:

my two favs are Warsaw and Wroclaw, then Poznan and lastly Gdansk - I can't get over how much I hate the metal showing through the Amber facade.

I hope Warsaw has that facade..O and lets start building

O and btw here is the Design for the Krakow stadium Probably the ugliest of the lot

http://www.urbanity.pl/photos/49/48/4948.jpg
http://www.urbanity.pl/photos/49/39/4939.jpg
http://www.urbanity.pl/photos/49/49/4949.jpg

Winner has been chosen for Lviv Stadium, Alpine Bau gmbH. The stadium will have 33,000 seats. The cost is 85 million EUR.

The only one that I am not to excited about is Poznan, it just seems really boring in comparison with the other ones. But the other three cities........:omg:
:cheers2:

Warsaw and Wroclaw Stadiums are based on already existing ones (or being build - 2010 RSA).
Gdansk is slightly based on Allianz Arena
Poznan stadium was NOT designed as EURO 2012 arena - it was to be a municipal stadium only (now they are changing the design, and the more changes I see the less I like it)

Warsaw and Wroclaw Stadiums are based on already existing ones (or being build - 2010 RSA).

Bullshit. Wroclaw has nothing to do with any of stadiums in RSA. Some people claim that it resembles arena in Strasbourg, but you be the judge:

Wroclaw
http://i29.tinypic.com/2vwi77n.jpg

Strasbourg
http://i26.tinypic.com/29b1wcj.jpg

^^That's not even a real stadium.

Bullshit. Wroclaw has nothing to do with any of stadiums in RSA. Some people claim that it resembles arena in Strasbourg, but you be the judge:

Wroclaw
http://i29.tinypic.com/2vwi77n.jpg

Strasbourg
http://i26.tinypic.com/29b1wcj.jpg

^^That's not even a real stadium.

I live in strasbourg. This Building is a new Concert Hall (10.000 persons).

http://www.zenith-strasbourg.fr/Le-Zenith/Bienvenue-au-Zenith

When i saw the stadium from Wroclaw, i thought about the same in Strasbourg.

But the stadium will be beautifull no doubt :)

Bullshit. Wroclaw has nothing to do with any of stadiums in RSA.


apologise for hurting your feelings and writing in the way that it might cross somebody's mind that stadium in Breslau could be similar to RSA stadium

apologise for hurting your feelings and writing in the way that it might cross somebody's mind that stadium in Breslau could be similar to RSA stadium

Then prove it. Just show the project in RSA that is similar to the one in Wroclaw, go on. Well? Or was it just a bullshit after all?

^^ what the fuck is wrong with you ?

can you read ?
I've got nothing to prove.

^^ It's you who has some problem. Instead of admitting you were wrong in a normal civil way, you prefere to push it with a sarcastic apolygy, attempting to flame with calling Wroclaw "Breslau". Get a life!

yesterday on TVN they were talking about this. Isn't it the same company that did both projects? They also said something about Warsaw being based on an earlier design but I'm not sure which.

Status of Ukrainian stadiums for EURO 2012:

Donetsk Stadium
Construction in progress

http://sport.segodnya.ua//img/g/8046/74/4.jpg

http://sport.segodnya.ua//img/g/8046/74/13.jpg

Dnepropetrovsk'
Construction in Progress

http://sport.segodnya.ua//img/g/8046/74/5.jpg

http://sport.segodnya.ua//img/g/8046/74/12.jpg

Odessa
Construction works begun

http://sport.segodnya.ua//img/g/8046/74/7.jpg

http://sport.segodnya.ua//img/g/8046/74/10.jpg

Kharkiv
Construction works begun

http://sport.segodnya.ua//img/g/8046/74/6.jpg

http://sport.segodnya.ua//img/g/8046/74/11.jpg

Problematic stadiums:

Kyiv
Negotiations ongoing

http://sport.segodnya.ua//img/g/8046/74/2.jpg

Supposedly it will be reconstructed. No construction progress yet.

Lviv
Stadium design and developer chosen

The winner has been chosen. Documents are to be finalized soon. Project works to be finished by June 1st. Construction to start by July 1st.

Must say that Dnepropetrovsk's stadium is the one I like most so far :)

thanks for update
:cheers:

Kharkiv - Construction works begun ??
http://www.arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/templates/arena/style/about_2.jpg

It's almost complete, that picture is not of the stadium :lol:

http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1199803707_img_4493.jpg

http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1199803558_img_4487.jpg

^^ why the roof is so small...?

how many seats will have the new stadium in odessa? some sites says either 34,000 or 50,000....

how many seats will have the new stadium in odessa? some sites says either 34,000 or 50,000....

We don't know for sure yet. Hochtief is still developing the project.

What we do know is details of the complex around the stadium:

Fitness centre with pool, cafes, restaurants, stores, 12 story hotel complex, winter training complex, and multilevel parking for 5,000 cars. The roof is to be of clear polymer, new display and lighting will also be installed.

Must say that Dnepropetrovsk's stadium is the one I like most so far :)

thanks for update
:cheers:

I think president would agree with you, the following is a report from Reuters:

KIEV, Feb 19 (Reuters) - Ukraine will invite UEFA chief Michel Platini to tour a new stadium to see for himself the ex-Soviet state's progress in preparing to co-host the Euro 2012 finals, President Viktor Yushchenko said on Tuesday.
"In a few weeks, I will invite Mr Platini to Dnipropetrovsk," local news agencies quoted Yushchenko as saying after a visit to a stadium nearing completion in the central city to be used in the 2012 tournament.
"I would like it known that Dnipropetrovsk is showing a high level of readiness of its sports facilities for Euro 2012."
A UEFA delegation is visiting Ukraine this week to inspect building sites and other facilities.
Platini last month expressed alarm that Ukraine and their co-hosts Poland were behind schedule in their preparations and the coming months would prove "decisive".
Authorities have since taken a decision to allow Kiev's main stadium to be used by dismantling parts of an adjacent shopping centre which threatened to disqualify it on safety grounds.

the ex-Soviet state's progress

How fucking long are they going to keep referring to us and other countries as ex-soviet states?

That's right, he was very satisfied with it

Bogdan, welcome to the forum!

How fucking long are they going to keep referring to us and other countries as ex-soviet states?

I've been saying this for years, it's been 20 fucking years, was Germany referred to as ex-third reich in 1965 in every single newspaper article? :bash:

^^ why the roof is so small...?

Around June (After Ukrainian cup final) the roof will be replaced, with a semi-transparent one, it will also cover the running tracks.

Around June (After Ukrainian cup final) the roof will be replaced, with a semi-transparent one, it will also cover the running tracks.

i see, that's good :)

And what about Kyiv arena? Have they already decided it's design?
Could you post some more updates from Polish stadiums and also from Ukrainian?

And what about Kyiv arena? Have they already decided it's design?
Could you post some more updates from Polish stadiums and also from Ukrainian?

No problem.... Dnipropetrovsk

Originaly posted by wombato...

Днепропетровский козырь Украины

Стадион «Днепр» в Днепропетровске стал одним из козырей Украины в завоевании права проведения Евро 2012. На сегодняшний день обьект, принадлежащий футбольному клубу «Днепр», готов процентов на 80. Пока строители доводят до ума территорию вокруг арены и помещения в функциональном здании – ресторан, раздевалки, бассейны и многое другое. Официальное открытие стадиона переносили несколько раз, но даже с учетом этого «Днепр» начнет работать первым из украинских обьектов, которые примут уже через четыре с половиной года игры еврочемпионата.

http://www.komitet12.org.ua/var/images/photosphare/3/1.jpg
Вывеска-это все,что осталось от стадиона «Металлург». На месте 25-титысячника теперь находится чаша крытого стадиона «Днепр»


http://www.komitet12.org.ua/var/images/photosphare/3/2.jpg
Сейчас на стадионе работают около 200 украинских строителей,но курирует работу по-прежнему генподрядчик из Германии-фирма «Hochtief»


http://www.komitet12.org.ua/var/images/photosphare/3/3.jpg
Крыша накрыта светопрозрачным материалом .Система освещения будет работать в трех режимах -в условиях без телетрансляции с трансляцией и в тренировочном режиме


http://www.komitet12.org.ua/var/images/photosphare/3/4.jpg
Весной футбольное поле с подогревом и автополивом будет зеленым. Газон сейчас специально выращивается по голландской методике в Украине


http://www.komitet12.org.ua/var/images/photosphare/3/5.jpg
Новая футбольная арена в Днепропетровске расчитана на 31 тысячу болельщиков и похожа на стадион немецкой футбольной команды «Боруссия» из Менхенгладбаха


http://www.komitet12.org.ua/var/images/photosphare/3/6.jpg
Строительство стадиона начато в апреле 2005 года. Раньше на этом месте 15 лет работал вещевой рынок


http://www.komitet12.org.ua/var/images/photosphare/3/7.jpg
В ложе прессы к обычным сиденьям пристроены столики. Здесь будет удобно работать 219 представителям масс-медиа


http://www.komitet12.org.ua/var/images/photosphare/3/8.jpg
Так называемая «теплая зона » стадиона (т.е.та,которая будет отапливаться ). Верхний ярус-это VIP-трибуны,расчитанные на 293 места


http://www.komitet12.org.ua/var/images/photosphare/3/9.jpg
Слева-тоннель,через который на футбольное поле будут выходить участники будущего чемпионата Европы


http://www.komitet12.org.ua/var/images/photosphare/3/10.jpg
В административном здании находя тся раздевалки команд ,тренировочная зона ,бассейн ,сауна ,музей футбольного клуба «Днепр », зона для работы журналистов


http://www.komitet12.org.ua/var/images/photosphare/3/11.jpg
Перед административным зданием - будущая автопарковка для VIP-персон,футбольных команд,прессы

komitet12.org.ua (http://www.komitet12.org.ua/photosphare/3/)

Lviv

Currently project designing works are carried out by the company that will be construction the arena...

Construction will commence in May-June...

Kyiv

The demolition of the mall will begin on the 1st of March.

Odesa

The demolition of the old stadium is under way.

Donetsk

Today we got the news that the seats have already been purchased.

Some infrastructure news:

Hotels

To be build in Kyiv
http://archunion.com.ua/sekcia/img-s/2008/02/s_02_092.jpg

Regent
http://archunion.com.ua/sovet-2008/img/02/s_02_079.jpg

http://archunion.com.ua/sovet-2008/img/02/s_02_076.jpg

Finishing up construction of the Intercontinental Hotel
http://i25.tinypic.com/wty49w.jpg

Recently finished
http://i28.tinypic.com/2e1xfyv.jpg

(the one on the right)
http://archunion.com.ua/sovet-2008/img/02/s_02_080.jpg

A new road (I'm avoiding using any highway, autobahn, motorway terminologies, because everyone is very sensitive about them :lol: ) just opened Kharkiv - Symferopol - Sevastopol (not entirely, but part of it).

http://www.president.gov.ua/done_img/gib/13148.jpg

http://gorod.dp.ua/pic/news/newsimages/0208/9360.jpg

Dnipro (Dnipropetrovsk) plans to open up to or more than six new subway stations which is just third or fourth by population city in Ukraine :okay:

Also, for your record this forum is English oriented forum and as far as I know when you say billion in English (not only in US, it is English language rule) you refer to - 1000 millions. You are right that it means a different thing in other languages, but as I said we wright in English here, so please don't confuse other people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_large_numbers

so which numbering is "correct" in your opinion ?

American, British, or European ?


sorry for returning to old stuff

90ties never ends in Ukraine...

Ukrainian design for me is something between Chicago and Moscow.

A new road (I'm avoiding using any highway, autobahn, motorway terminologies, because everyone is very sensitive about them :lol: ) just opened Kharkiv - Symferopol - Sevastopol (not entirely, but part of it).

How long is this road ?? More than 50 km ??

--
Sorry for my English...

Kharkiv to Sevastopol is perhaps around 500 km :lol: but I don't know how much of the new road was opened now

Gdansk could lose Euro 2012 to Krakow
03.03.2008 15:50

UEFA representatives have given Krakow the OK to host the Euro 2012 football championships to be co-hosted by Poland and Ukraine.



Five UEFA experts, who inspected Krakow’s progress in the Euro 2012 preparation on Friday, may include the city in the list of official event hosts at the expense of Gdansk, reports TVN24 news channel.



One of the Polish officials who accompanied the UEFA delegation in Krakow has revealed that the experts were mainly impressed by the city’s infrastructure, including good access from the stadium to five star hotels and the railway station.



The roads linking Krakow with the Czech Republic and Slovakia scored the lowest in UEFA’s opinion.


Unofficially, the UEFA delegates were frustrated by the overall progress of the preparation for Euro 2012 in Chorzow, south Poland, Warsaw and Gdansk, an anonymous official from the Krakow Town Hall told the Gazeta Krakowska daily. (mj)


http://www.polskieradio.pl/thenews/sport/?id=77180

can anyone from Gdansk shed more light on this - is there any truth in what UEFA is saying about the inadequate infrastructure in Gdansk compared to Krakow? I'd be a shame to lose the chance to showcase the stadium design to the rest of Europe.

Its nuts that both cities can't be included. Not counting Warsaw itself, I don't know of any two Polish cities more adequate & presentable than Krakow & Gdansk.

Lviv could lose the right to Odesa.

Its nuts that both cities can't be included. Not counting Warsaw itself, I don't know of any two Polish cities more adequate & presentable than Krakow & Gdansk.


yeah - personally I'd replace Chozow with Krakow.

^^ Chorzów can't be replaced, as it is not a EURO arena

unless you say that Chorzów should kick off Gdańsk (I'm not sure what you meant)

^^ Chorzów can't be replaced, as it is not a EURO arena

unless you say that Chorzów should kick off Gdańsk (I'm not sure what you meant)

I messed up, for some reason I forgot that Chorzow was a backup arena and not a official host city - my bad.

So has Michel Platini visited Ukraine already?
And how about latest updates?

DNIPRO ARENA: NEARLY DONE:banana::banana::cheers:

http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/uploads/metallurg24_m.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_17/IMG_7119.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_17/IMG_7192.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_17/IMG_7185.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_17/IMG_7184.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_17/IMG_7179.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_17/IMG_7181.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_17/IMG_7139.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_17/IMG_7158.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_17/IMG_7182.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_17/IMG_7168.jpg

Parking lots
http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_17/IMG_7173.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_17/IMG_7177.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_17/IMG_7167.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_17/IMG_7164.jpg

During halftime fans will cool off in these multiple pools :)
http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_17/IMG_7163.jpg

Reception
http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_17/IMG_7157.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_17/IMG_7156.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_17/IMG_7141.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_17/IMG_7123.jpg

DONBAS ARENA: history in the making

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0208/4.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0208/6.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0208/7.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0208/9.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0208/10.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0208/14.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0208/18.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0208/19.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0208/20.jpg

KHARKIV RESERVE ARENA

Final look
http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1204649716_stadium.jpg

Construction
http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1205251818_izobrazhenie008.jpg

Good stuff, Stas!:okay: Any news on Lviv Stadium? I bulieve Odesa was the one who hosts and Lviv was chosen as a backup arena or im wrong?

Good stuff, Stas!:okay: Any news on Lviv Stadium? I bulieve Odesa was the one who hosts and Lviv was chosen as a backup arena or im wrong?

It's the other way around. Odesa is the second reserve city, the construction (to be precisely correct the demolishing of the old arena) is underway. Lviv is the slowest city, they're not building the stadium yet :ohno:

OMG we're faaaar behind you as far as Stadiums construction is concerned :(

Status of Ukrainian stadiums for EURO 2012:

Donetsk Stadium
Construction in progress

http://sport.segodnya.ua//img/g/8046/74/4.jpg

http://sport.segodnya.ua//img/g/8046/74/13.jpg

Dnepropetrovsk'
Construction in Progress

http://sport.segodnya.ua//img/g/8046/74/5.jpg

http://sport.segodnya.ua//img/g/8046/74/12.jpg

Odessa
Construction works begun

http://sport.segodnya.ua//img/g/8046/74/7.jpg

http://sport.segodnya.ua//img/g/8046/74/10.jpg

Kharkiv
Construction works begun

http://sport.segodnya.ua//img/g/8046/74/6.jpg

http://sport.segodnya.ua//img/g/8046/74/11.jpg

Problematic stadiums:

Kyiv
Negotiations ongoing

http://sport.segodnya.ua//img/g/8046/74/2.jpg

Supposedly it will be reconstructed. No construction progress yet.

Lviv
Stadium design and developer chosen

The winner has been chosen. Documents are to be finalized soon. Project works to be finished by June 1st. Construction to start by July 1st.

I thought Kyviv is already annouced. I thought this project you show at the picture was cancelled.

^^ It is cancelled the other one that we posted here after this one is the one that they are using.

LVIV STADIUM

Property address: Ring road – Stryjska Str., Lviv

Legal status: Lviv Municipality ownership
Location: land plot is located in Southern part of the city on the international corridor N5
Description: green field
Designation according to the land use plan: sport and entertainment center with shopping mall and hotel, stadium for 34 thousands of visitors
Infrastructure: available infrastructure: gas, electricity, water
Form of acquisition: property for the land plot is offered as a city investment in the development project
Additional information: location of the land is near the airport, restriction of height of construction because of flight path is 12 m

Developers:
Lviv City Council
Rynok sq.1 , Lviv, 79006, Ukraine
Foreign Economic Relations аnd Investments Office
Tel.: +38 (032) 254-60-06
Fax: + 38 (032) 274-40-85
web-site: www.city-adm.lviv.ua

Alpine Bau GmbH
Alte Bundesstraße 10, 5071 Wals bei Salzburg
Tel.: + 43 (662) 8582-0
Fax: + 43 (662) 8582-9900
web-site: www.alpine.at

Project Characteristics
Land plot – 25 ha
34 000 spectators
Investment – $140 mln
Developer – Alpine
http://www.mipim.kiev.ua/files/31/lviv_stadium.jpg

http://www.mipim.kiev.ua/index.php?lang_id=2&content_id=22&product_id=4

Does anyone has any offers of projects of the Lviv stadium ?

^^ It is cancelled the other one that we posted here after this one is the one that they are using.

good news :okay:

New fresh updates! MARCH 2008

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/14_03_08_1/7.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/14_03_08_1/9.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/14_03_08_1/12.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/14_03_08_1/15.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/14_03_08_1/18.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/14_03_08_1/16.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/14_03_08_1/2.jpg

Best in the field German company designed a unique resting green zone around the stadium. It will include more sport facilities.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n22/wombato_2006/stadion.jpg

Amazing progress! Congrats brothers:applause::master:

False alarm :(

When are they going to break ground on the Polish stadiums?

OMG! - This is such a kickass! :cheers:

Poznań Municipal Stadium, uptades (12.03, 14.03, 18.03) here: http://budowa.maroonpoint.com/

The new project for the modernisation of Silesia Stadium was Chosen, it will be designed by GMP Architects the cost will be in the region of 250 million zlotych (75 million Eur). The modernisation will include a new roof, increase in capacity to 50 000 from 45 000, new lighting new press area, new telebeams.
Start- Q1 2009
finish- Q3 2010

Old Project
http://www.urbanity.pl/photos/84/48/8448.jpg
New project
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/1/5042/z5042561X.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/0/5042/z5042560X.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/9/5042/z5042559X.jpg

^^ That is awesome looking!

Oh, yes, indeed!! :)

UPDATE 1-Soccer-Ukraine, Poland try to calm Platini's Euro fears
Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:56pm GMT

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By Sabina Zawadzki

KIEV, March 28 (Reuters) - The prime ministers of Poland and Ukraine sought on Friday to alleviate UEFA fears over the progress of their preparations to host Euro 2012.

Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko and her counterpart Donald Tusk also signed an agreement to set up a body to co-operate on the vast amount of work both countries need to complete, such as modernising transport and building stadiums.

Michel Platini, head of European football's ruling body UEFA, expressed alarm in January that the two former Communist countries were falling behind schedule.

"We expected and can continue to expect critical warnings from UEFA. It is the responsibility of UEFA and Mr Platini to show every single day what is not yet satisfactory," Tusk told a news conference.

"We both are, both governments, working as fast as we can, and I am convinced 100 percent that we will manage it."

Tymoshenko said she believed work had considerably improved since the two new prime ministers were sworn in, he last November, she a month later.

"I think that our meeting, the signing of the appropriate documents and also the recent introduction in our countries of a number of necessary measures will change the position and view of Mr Platini as to the quality of preparations," she said. Since Platini's remarks, Ukraine solved a construction dispute surrounding its main Kiev stadium that threatened to prevent it from hosting the final, while the western city of Lviv found a contractor to start building its stadium. Later on Friday, Platini cautiously welcomed the recent progress and said UEFA would do "everything necessary" to ensure the tournament went ahead in Poland and Ukraine.

"When we expressed our concerns in January it was because we found the organisers had been sleeping a little," Platini told reporters following a UEFA executive committee meeting in Liechtenstein.

"Now they have woken up and we have woken up so there has been some headway. But we will still have to wait a few months to see if things are really improving."

(Additional reporting by Mark Ledsom in Vaduz)

(Editing by Trevor Huggins)

http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldFootballNews/idUKL2887934320080328

Oh boy...who might step in to host it in 2012?

Moldova and Albania.

Michel Platini, head of European football's ruling body UEFA, expressed alarm in January that the two former Communist countries were falling behind schedule.

Just wondering... Was Germany in 1965 still called a former nazi country?

no, but It seems it should be called this way till now even :D

You've got to look at the context. When the NPD did well in the 60s, people were referring back to the Weimar and Nazi eras as well.

no, but It seems it should be called this way till now even

Please elaborate.

At least the good thing is that the championship wouldn't be canceled and finally some progress going ahead in Kyiv and Lviv.

The worst problem that may occur is that some westerners will have to endure some bad roads in Ukraine and their tiny cars will get some dents, not a big deal :D

They might also encounter some unusual driving skills
R8uBzWQZgWU

Please elaborate.

Poland is a former Communist country in the same way as Germany is a former Nazi country.

this is wee bit O-T
but it is annoying when Poland and Ukraine are called in this way.
I could say instead of France "a former kingdom" but why ? what is the purpose?

Yeah, I understand why they would call us that way throughout the 90's, but in 2008? Is this the title we're stuck with forever "former communist country"?

I think the whole former communist thing is too try and explain why westerners eyes our countries might need updating, while reminding them of our hard times under communism. I guess it also gives them some sense of superiority...

For example we have bad roads the "because we were a communist country"....ect

Burislav imagine the announcer at the summit speech welcomes the " the Prime ministers of the Former communist Republic of Poland and the Former communist Republic of Ukraine" lol

Exactly. EEurope still lags behind in many areas because of Communist rule. That's why it's mentioned all the time.

ODESA, RESERVE "PROKOPENKO" ARENA CHANGED FINAL PROJECT
Capacity 50,000


http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_stadien/images/news/1207152454.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_stadien/images/news/1207152455.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_stadien/images/news/1207152456.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_stadien/images/news/1207152457.jpg

The stadium will be named after Victor Prokopenko, a ukrainian football player and coach who died last year
http://pt.uefa.com/multimediafiles/photo/competitions/uefacup/278001_mediumsquare.jpg

Imho second best after Donbas Arena (Donetsk) :cheers::banana:

Go Odessa :cheers:

^^ cool, but what are those skyscrapers for? is it a new trend in architecture ?
it seems quite a few stadiums will have sth like that...

^^ cool, but what are those skyscrapers for? is it a new trend in architecture ?
it seems quite a few stadiums will have sth like that...

I don't care what they're for (press centers? vip hotel rooms? Football club adminstration?) the important thing is that they're skyscrapers and nice ones too! :banana: stadiums + skyscrapers :drool: :cheers:

More renders

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/img_1207311258.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/img_1207311229.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/img_1207311218.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/img_1207311204.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/img_1207311172.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/img_1207311161.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/img_1207311150.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/img_1207311136.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/img_1207311123.jpg
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/img_1207311084.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/img_1207310933.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/img_1207310900.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/img_1207310814.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/img_1207311241.jpg

:eek2: :eek2: :banana::banana: second best arena for Euro 2012 after Donbas Arena

One of the highrises will be a hotel, another an office tower.
Odesa is no longer a reserve city, it will host a minimum of 2 games, but not at the expense of another city not hosting the event.
It will be a completely football stadium without the running tracks.

i like it - but I don't.

It's very elagant with the glass, but at the same time I wanted something more unique

IMO these hotel and office twin towers totally don't fit there. Their design is so simple and they don't look well at all near the arena. They could have done at least something to improve their not good-looking appearance.

They are simple not to attract any attention away from the stadium, so it's perfect ;)

newest pic's on the top (stand no 2, 3rd level - construction progress)

http://budowa.maroonpoint.com/2008/s0081.jpg

http://budowa.maroonpoint.com/2008/s0083.jpg

http://budowa.maroonpoint.com/2008/s0065.jpg

http://budowa.maroonpoint.com/2008/s0069.jpg

http://budowa.maroonpoint.com/2008/s0073.jpg

http://budowa.maroonpoint.com/2008/s0076.jpg

:eek2: :eek2: :banana::banana: second best arena for Euro 2012 after Donbas Arena
.

Second best ukrainian arena....

Niewiele się zmienia w naszych przygotowaniach do Euro 2012. Jak dowiedział się reporter programu "Teraz My!" do rąk prezesa PZPN trafił najnowszy raport UEFA w tej sprawie.
Wynika z niego, że po ostatniej, druzgocącej opinii organizatora mistrzostw, lekcje odrobiły tylko 3 miasta: Wrocław, Poznań i Kraków. Z miast tzw. wysokiego ryzyka trafiły do grupy ryzyka średniego. Zdaniem prezesa PZPN, Michała Listkiewicza, to ogromny sukces. - Jeszcze żadnemu miastu nie udało się w takim tempie poprawić swoich notowań – mówił na posiedzeniu sejmowej Komisji Kultury i Sportu.

Ale raport nie pozostawia wątpliwości, nadal najgorszej wyglądają przygotowania w Warszawie i Chorzowie. Te miasta wciąż pozostają w grupie bardzo wysokiego ryzyka. Nieco lepiej, ale też bez zmian w stosunku do ostatniego raportu, wypada Gdańsk. UEFA ocenia stan przygotowań miast do organizacji EURO m.in. na podstawie postępów w budowie stadionów, źródeł finansowania inwestycji, infrastruktury i przeszkolenia ludzi. Kolejny raport UEFA już w maju.

briefly:

Wrocław, Poznań i Kraków - have moved from High Risk Group were moved to Medium Risk Group, (Listkiewicz - director of PZPN (polish football association) stated that it is huge improvement that did not happen before (to improve in such'a short time)


while Warsaw, Chorzów and Gdańsk are still fare behind (Gdańsk looks to improve though)

> based on UEFA EURO2012 report 04/2008 (next report - May)

18 (I think) proposals for the renovation of the Olympic Stadium in Kyiv were submitted. Here are some of them.

My new favorite, because it involved a beautiful skyscraper
http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/reportag/008.jpg

And it's nice as it is
http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/reportag/009.jpg

Plus that thing on the right is cool
http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/reportag/010.jpg

Another very good one
http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/reportag/003.jpg

http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/reportag/001.jpg

http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/reportag/002.jpg

Also great
http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/reportag/004.jpg

http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/reportag/005.jpg

This one, I think, looks too much like the Donbas Arena (but worse)
http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/reportag/006.jpg

Unusual
http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/v-002/008.jpg

http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/interier/001.jpg

http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/interier/003.jpg

http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/v-002/003.jpg

http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/v-002/001.jpg

UFO project. It was already seen before, but not with the lighting.
http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/reportag/015.jpg

I'll be happy with any of them though :cheers:

Thanks to http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/konkurs_001.shtml for the info

bastards!!!! Over all I'm more impressed with Ukrainian stadiums then Polish I must admit.

^^ LOL
I will say exactly the same about beautiful Polish roads/motorways - Viva la EU :D
Hotels wise although Poland was unquestionably much better in this regard - Ukraine is fast closing with numerous large projects and current construction - so we will be on par :)
In terms of smaller tourist-oriented comfort projects - at first I thought only Poland is doing that - but apparently there are A LOT of those all over Western Ukraine.

So all in all:
Stadiums: UA => PL
Transport: PL >> UA
Hotels: UA ~= PL
Small Comfort Stuff: UA ~= PL

In the end it's the hotels and small comfort stuff that'll be making most money :)
Well - and paid motorways, which Ukraine doesn't have, but might have one. Poland?
:)

So Far So Good :)

They started the preparation of the terrain under the national stadium

^^ That's great! Finally the things will get moving fast! :D
Congrats :)

I must agree, all of these projects are amazingly beautiful !!! Love them all !! :cheers:

XAPAKTEPHИK, it's not a Ukraine vs Poland competition, it's Ukraine and Poland vs the rest of Europe ;)

18 (I think) proposals for the renovation of the Olympic Stadium in Kyiv were submitted. Here are some of them.
...
Another very good one
http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/reportag/003.jpg

http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/reportag/001.jpg

http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/reportag/002.jpg
...

It looks like this was the winner... a design by a Taiwanese Company

Yes, we have a winner for the main stadium for Euro 2012 :banana::cheers:

It was my other favorite
http://ffu.org.ua/img/forall/a/13/9.jpg

Final capacity is 85 000

:applause:

^^ but top seats will be faaaar away from the pitch
not a convenient solution for spectators IMHO
Design is nice though

XAPAKTEPHИK, it's not a Ukraine vs Poland competition, it's Ukraine and Poland vs the rest of Europe ;)

I know. But we must keep each other on the same level - to achieve a Greater Victory over the rest of Europe :D
:cheers:

^^ but top seats will be faaaar away from the pitch
not a convenient solution for spectators IMHO
Design is nice though

Don't forget that this is a renovation of an existing stadium. I believe that the main "cup" w/ seats will remain largely unchanged - basically the way it was. I think they originally designed it with that in mind - and minimized the distances etc. for the top levels.

Now we're only waiting for the news for the other stadium in Kyiv - specifically for football.

Truly beautiful! :applause:

Exactly. EEurope still lags behind in many areas because of Communist rule. That's why it's mentioned all the time.

I agree. But there's a tiny mistake. They should refer to us
The Former Victims of Communism :D

So... how's life in the Former Third Reich ?
Feeling Superior as ever, are we?
:lol:

Are you sure its just 85,000?
Current 2 tier bowl hold 82k as i know and they added a huge 3rd tier at the main stand!!!!
Or am i wrong and the current 2 tier stadium won't stay?

I'm not so sure about the details.
But, i meat it is supposed to be a renovation. They might add stuff and replace stuff - but not build new from scratch.
I guess we just wait for the project details to appear on the Taiwanese site.

Thanks.
Ukranian friend, first congrats, this stadium will be very big.

IMO it will be at 95k-110k

Thanks Turkish Friend!
We can only hope!
Hope is a prerequisite for SSC users :D !

Just looked again at the renderings.
Neer "just" 85k.

this
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/UKR/Olimpiyskyi.html

+ big 3rd tier at the main stand
Current capcity is 83 450. Modernize, suites etc. Could be dicrease to 75k.

No, no no,
At least 95k :D

Don't forget that this is a renovation of an existing stadium. I believe that the main "cup" w/ seats will remain largely unchanged - basically the way it was.

(...) they added a huge 3rd tier at the main stand!!!!

seems they will add 3rd level.
so why not to build upward instead going wide?
I know that in this way preparing foundations and the whole stand itself might be difficult, and could not look as good as proposed design, still IMHO stadiums should be designed for spectators. Design is also important but don't forget the main purpose of stadium ;)

Actual design is really great, I'm just concerned about viewers in the back row ;)

measured it at skecthup
So could not be 100% correct :D
Highest row is 45m high. (Like highest row in the Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadi in Istanbul)
http://img168.exs.cx/img168/6117/atatrkolimpiyat151os.jpg

Yeah - but Sampras might be right.
It might be too far from the field horizontally...
Actually I have something to confess... - I have never been at a stadium in my life....

I heard the rumour that the capacity will be 125,000 :eek:

measured it at skecthup
So could not be 100% correct :D
Highest row is 45m high. (Like highest row in the Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadi in Istanbul)
http://img168.exs.cx/img168/6117/atatrkolimpiyat151os.jpg

but what is the distance between far corner of the pitch and the last row? (in a strait line from 'eye' to corner)
[ I guess it is >150m ]

Don't know.
Its not a football stadium, so its more than at Nou camp
http://www.flickr.com/photos/slemerick/1276128459/sizes/o/

^^ but top seats will be faaaar away from the pitch
not a convenient solution for spectators IMHO
Design is nice though

yea ure gunna need binoculars just like in Chorzow if u dnt care bout the atmosphere then u might as well stay at home

^^ Hard to find someone who doesn't care about atmosphere!! :)

So.... Sup PPL!!!
How's the construction of National Stadium in POLSKA?
How many kilometers of space-age highways built for the last week?

CheerZ! :cheers1: :grouphug: :cheers1:

^^ Well, here you have National Stadium construction details and construction work schedule. It's in Polish but you should understand most of it :cheers:

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/4/5132/m5132094.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/5/5132/m5132095.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/6/5132/m5132096.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/7/5132/m5132097.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/9/5132/m5132099.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/0/5132/m5132100.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/1/5132/m5132101.jpg

^^ Awesome! Can't wait until they break ground.

UEFA on June 27 will come to Ukraine to judge the progress made preparing for Euro 2012. UEFA officials are concerned that if authorities do not begin reconstructing airports by May-June, then Ukraine will officially lose its right to host the co-event with Poland.

Many people are quite pessimistic, and are leaning towards thinking that on this day Ukraine will be dropped from the joint-venture.

Thank you politicians.

:(

^Well join the club. We lost the basketball World Cup in 1994 ...and just might lose Eurovision contest next month.

Btw, why are you so negative lately Pavle?:bash:

What is there to be positive about? Corrupt politicians, no national unity, soaring inflation, low wages, bad demographic situation. Everything is fucked up.

Reminds me of something, but I can't quite place it...:D

Come on, im sure things are getting better in Ukraine:)

What is there to be positive about? Corrupt politicians, no national unity, soaring inflation, low wages, bad demographic situation. Everything is fucked up.

You just about described every eastern European country :wallbash:

Italians are just licking their chops for the opportunity to host the Eurocup

^^
we'll never give it away.
I don't understand why you are so pessimistic there in Ukraine?
You have 2 stadiums almost finished and others on their good way.
Recently here in Poland there's been a fuss that we won't be ready on time, yet now everything is going on quite well.
Warsaw's project will have been finished ahead of schedule, in Gdansk and Wroclaw the construction should start this soon, Poznan, Krakow, Chorzow still gradually modernize their areas.
Construction of many parts of highways (A1,A2,A4) will start this year as well.
Quite a significant stretch in north is to be ready til summer.
The promblem might crop up in terms of railway stations (modernizations or constructions) in Warsaw, but let's hope that our national railway will finally strat putting it's words into action.
So, as not that long time ago I became more&more pessimistic now I regained full trust in success.
Hope everything will be all right both in PL&UKR.

It's not the right time to give up! It doesn't seem as if Ukraine is getting on very slowly. Indeed, it's preparations are very visible. As well as Poland, it is building new roads, new hotels, some of the stadiums are u/c, all of the others are already approved and are just waiting for construction. So I don't find any reasons to be affraid of. The only thing which somehow can pause or harm the development is inflation.

UEFA on June 27 will come to Ukraine to judge the progress made preparing for Euro 2012. UEFA officials are concerned that if authorities do not begin reconstructing airports by May-June, then Ukraine will officially lose its right to host the co-event with Poland.

Many people are quite pessimistic, and are leaning towards thinking that on this day Ukraine will be dropped from the joint-venture.

Thank you politicians.

:(

well we recently got a positive result from UEFA, the truth is it is good uefa is scaring us with giving the euro to the Italians because it is making us do the work faster, also us Poles love to be pessimistic and complain so they are supplying us with some ammo for our favourite past time at least...
btw it seems as though things are really beggining to pick up here:nuts: though we probably wont get the railways uo to scratch in time
We will have to see which 8 of the 12 cities uefa decides will host a game, hopefully 8 will be ready and by no means do they have to chose 4 Polish and 4 Ukrainian ones. I just want them to have it in Krakow hopefully without jepordising any Polish host city

^Well join the club. We lost the basketball World Cup in 1994 ...and just might lose Eurovision contest next month.

Btw, why are you so negative lately Pavle?:bash:

And we will lose Basketball World Cup 2010 :(

Pavlo stop depressing everyone :lol:


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Back to the news, finally maquettes of the new Lviv stadium became available:

It's designed by that Austrian company that was responsible for Allianz Arena
http://www.phl.com.ua/files/2008/04/23/28265/209455_large.JPG

So a reminder on all Ukrainian cities:
Kyiv | Completed but under major ongoing reconstruction
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/002.jpg

Dnipro | Almost done, will be completed in several months
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/yury_u/stad016.jpg

Kharkiv | Almost done, will be completed in several months
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/1204649716_stadium.jpg

Donetsk | Almost done, will be completed in several months
http://shakhtar.com/fc/i/stad.jpg

Odesa | Construction had just started
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/img_1207310900.jpg

Lviv | Construction has not started, still planning
http://www.phl.com.ua/files/2008/04/23/28265/209455_large.JPG