EURO 2012: Poland and Ukraine Stadia and Infrastructure [Archive] - Page 6

Teal

December 15th, 2008, 12:55 AM

Ukrainian roads start from Polish boarder to way of traveling on Euro 2012 to other Ukrainian cities , pics from 2008 :

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=25914012&postcount=342
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=27912472&postcount=424
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=23365742&postcount=284

Roads in West Ukraine :

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=23385910&postcount=285

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=23386896&postcount=286

Roads in Lviv :

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=25948638&postcount=359

Roads on way to Lviv :

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=23365188&postcount=283

Buses , Trams , Roads in Lviv :

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=28337304&postcount=511

Dniepropietrovsk Trams :

http://www.phototrans.eu/14,279710,0.html

http://www.phototrans.eu/14,279828,0.html

http://www.phototrans.eu/14,279838,0.html

http://www.phototrans.eu/14,276566,0.html

http://www.phototrans.eu/14,276239,0.html

Roads from Tarnopol - Pobudne :

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=26000252&postcount=364

This is aint funny :(

You should look at the roads leading from german boarder( Görlitz) to Wroclaw. It's hell to drive there. And I can show you some pictures of Ukrainian roads leading from polnish boarder to Lutsk. They are much better.
I don't want to say that ukrainian roads are better than polnish ones. But not every road looks like the roads on the pics you showed.

Da3won

December 15th, 2008, 01:02 AM

You should look at the roads leading from german boarder( Görlitz) to Wroclaw. It's hell to drive there. And I can show you some pictures of Ukrainian roads leading from polnish boarder to Lutsk. They are much better.
I don't want to say that ukrainian roads are better than polnish ones. But not every road looks like the roads on the pics you showed.

If you try compare Ukrainian roads to "Polnish" as you say i can only wish you good luck :lol: BTW say name of the road and put some picture ill be pleased . :okay:

krzysiu_

December 15th, 2008, 01:08 AM

So ok in Poland everyone will be go on machtes by old fashion charm trams especialy in Krakow nothing against that :lol:
But i wonder how Ukraine prepare their own public transportDunno about Krakow, but if you mentioned about trams...Warsaw is at the end of tender on 186 new trams (for Warsaw ofc ;) ) Biggest tender in Europe...All those trams should be in Warsaw till 2012 (costs, ~1,5 mln euro, I think...)

ruslan33

December 15th, 2008, 01:12 AM

ufonut

December 15th, 2008, 04:59 AM

Majority of football fans will not go to Ukraine anyway. Ukraine's infrastructure is in schambles, it's not part of the EU and is a non-Schengen country. So I highly doubt that you will see a lot of fans willing to travel there. There is only one low cost airline and others don't seem to be rushing to establish their presence there. Only one train has been outfittied with SUW2000 system to allow to access wider gage. The rest have to change wheels which takes hours.

Most people will watch the games on TV. Some will come to Poland (mostly from Scandinavia/Germany/Low Countries) driving, flying in or coming on trains but I highly doubt that Poland will experience a massive influx of football fans.

So Ukraine has nothing to worry about. Just make sure that lights don't go out during the TV transmission. People will watch stadiums and games and be oblivious to what the country looks like few hundred meters away from the pitch.

Bandera

December 15th, 2008, 08:39 AM

Well i can only wonder if its you on this bike but i can recognize villige way from expressway :lol:
And yes i live in better country then in this on east side of Europe and i no need to shame this . But i propose you have drive to Lviv and get some expiriance of life level on Ukrainian side especialy west part , before you will offend someone else for hes sceprism you moron , you will be pleased that you live where you live . Greetings from Poland too

O damn watch out look at that superpower nation how can Ukraine even think of comparing itself to poland i mean thats just impossible.

Listin Einstein just ten years ago youre nation looked like shit so be happy that its improving, the same thing will happen to Ukraine in the near future!

Teal

December 15th, 2008, 10:43 AM

If you try compare Ukrainian roads to "Polnish" as you say i can only wish you good luck :lol: BTW say name of the road and put some picture ill be pleased . :okay:

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/9935188

krzysiu_

December 15th, 2008, 10:51 AM

O damn watch out look at that superpower nation how can Ukraine even think of comparing itself to poland i mean thats just impossible.

Listin Einstein just ten years ago youre nation looked like shit so be happy that its improving, the same thing will happen to Ukraine in the near future!Stop acting like an asshole, and respect other people on this forum or you'll be out...

Marek_VF

December 15th, 2008, 02:11 PM

We cannot argue that some of the Ukrainians roads or public transport look a bit... old. We have to bear in mind what Poland looked like say 5 years ago with no real investments ongoing and without the money from EU. Poland would do no better without help from other countries.

In fact, I keep on supporting the Ukrainian effort to build as much as possible. This will be a boost in their economy. It will also make Ukraine come closer to Poland and other EU countries. Both Poland and Ukraine can show that the border of EU isn't the only thing that matters - our countries will host EURO together to show that Slavic countries can do well or even better than people tend to think!

Iluminat

December 15th, 2008, 02:45 PM

Well I guess if Ukrainians can use this old rusty trams etc. foreigners can do it too but bad comments are to be expected...

Cracovia

December 15th, 2008, 05:34 PM

Construction of Baltic Arena Commences :banana::banana::banana::banana:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_HJwQG7wDTSY/SUZPHugL1II/AAAAAAABdBk/6sVJ2CcNVBQ/s512/DB153847.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_HJwQG7wDTSY/SUZRdg17c5I/AAAAAAABdU0/eQqIdTm1JUE/s640/DB153963.JPG
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_HJwQG7wDTSY/SUZPU-79FII/AAAAAAABdDU/eqxlAzRBaFg/s640/DB153857.JPG
The Rest of the Photos: http://picasaweb.google.pl/dario.gdansk/20081215OficjalnyPoczTekWymianyGruntu#

Baltic Arena is located in one of Gdansks most deprived neighborhoods and is a great opportunity for its revitalisation. Lets hope that they are able to get the area looking spic and span for the games and for the benefit of the residents.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=29024618&postcount=3383
^^Photos of district. Its great they chose this as the location its a real opportunity for the former industrial area.

oh btw in case you had the idea that Poland was heaven on earth, from what some forumers with a superiority complex and to make themselves feel better are spreading shit and bashing Ukraine are trying to portray, its not. We have our fair share of problems

begbie

December 15th, 2008, 06:07 PM

O damn watch out look at that superpower nation how can Ukraine even think of comparing itself to poland i mean thats just impossible.

Listin Einstein just ten years ago youre nation looked like shit so be happy that its improving, the same thing will happen to Ukraine in the near future!

shit you probably have in your head. stupid idiot !!!

Triceratops

December 15th, 2008, 06:19 PM

OMG, what's happened here again? I just can't believe that a week can't pass without polish forumers humiliate Ukraine for its inability to progress as fast as does Poland! And why all attention should be payed to road development?
Look at Poland, how many stadiums are there completed? - None. Ukraine has one already and two are to be finished in the nearest time! Have a look at aviation development - Ukraine has plans of grand expansions for all hosting cities' airports, all of which are approved and soon should be started! Roads - ok, I agree, but look at the sizes of UA and compare it PL, then count funds given from EU each year to PL and understand that UA does the road improvements only by its own! And also, don't forget Ukrainian government... ;)

Triceratops

December 15th, 2008, 06:22 PM

shit you probably have in your head. stupid idiot !!!

hey, just ignore that! he just exaggerated a bit! though, Poland did not look so good in that times! ;)

Cracovia

December 15th, 2008, 06:23 PM

who is modding this thread

krzysiu_

December 16th, 2008, 12:25 AM

Dunno but he should definitely do something with that troll called Bandera!OMG, what's happened here again? I just can't believe that a week can't pass without polish forumers humiliate Ukraine for its inability to progress as fast as does Poland! And why all attention should be payed to road development?
Look at Poland, how many stadiums are there completed? - None. Ukraine has one already and two are to be finished in the nearest time! Have a look at aviation development - Ukraine has plans of grand expansions for all hosting cities' airports, all of which are approved and soon should be started! Roads - ok, I agree, but look at the sizes of UA and compare it PL, then count funds given from EU each year to PL and understand that UA does the road improvements only by its own! And also, don't forget Ukrainian government... ;)So, stadiums you say...well as far as i know it's E2012 not 2009 so where's the problem? Look at Portual or Greece, when finished their stadiums? Just days before the event and as for today Poland have 4 main arenas u/c and construction of 2 others is gonna start in the next couple of weeks, alot of hotels, road, new terminals etc u/c...Also what funds given by eu has to do this this, every eu member gets money from eu so what's your point?

Cracovia

December 16th, 2008, 12:57 AM

Dunno but he should definitely do something with that troll called Bandera!So, stadiums you say...well as far as i know it's E2012 not 2009 so where's the problem? Look at Portual or Greece, when finished their stadiums? Just days before the event and as for today Poland have 4 main arenas u/c and construction of 2 others is gonna start in the next couple of weeks, alot of hotels, road, new terminals etc u/c...Also what funds given by eu has to do this this, every eu member gets money from eu so what's your point?

Dont be so naive!!

Bogdan_ua

December 16th, 2008, 03:36 AM

Stop acting like an asshole, and respect other people on this forum or you'll be out... So, roads you say...well as far as i know it's E2012 not 2009 so where's the problem? Why you just keep reeling in your EU funds for US missile defense shields and stay proud of your charity. We are building this championship by ourselves, unlike you American tools.

:lol: But i wonder how Ukraine prepare their own public transport

Polish metro vs. Ukrainian metro?

No matter how great you think your little nation is there is a reason this championship is "joint". If what people like all of you, and Polish media are saying were true, Poland wouldn't have hesitated to submit a lone bid. They didn't because there is no way they can host this alone. Get that.

ufonut

December 16th, 2008, 04:16 AM

So, roads you say...well as far as i know it's E2012 not 2009 so where's the problem? Why you just keep reeling in your EU funds for US missile defense shields and stay proud of your charity. We are building this championship by ourselves, unlike you American tools.

Problem is that Ukraine is not doing anything, 2 stadiums built by oligarchs doesn't make you sufficiently prepared for the championship. Because of your inability to do anything properly, constant government infighting and your collapsing economy you will bring shame and disgrace not only to yourself but also to us since we are co-hosting it with you.

Polish metro vs. Ukrainian metro?

Poland built its own metro. Soviets built metro for you. If you had to build a metro system on your own today it would take you 100 years and it would probably collapse anyway.

No matter how great you think your little nation is there is a reason this championship is "joint".

This "little" nation ruled you for 1000 years. Gave you castles, towns, laws, palaces and everything else so how about having some humility.

If what people like all of you, and Polish media are saying were true, Poland wouldn't have hesitated to submit a lone bid. They didn't because there is no way they can host this alone. Get that.

We didn't submit a bid because we didn't have an oligarch pulling strings for us. Ukraine was probably the last choice when it came to hosting a championship with us. Most people in Poland want nothing to do with Ukraine.

Czas na Żywiec

December 16th, 2008, 05:06 AM

Will you people stop it? Unless your post has to do about the actual tournament or investment/construction updates, no one wants to read about it. All you off-topic trolls are being incredibly childish and annoying. :ohno:

Triceratops

December 16th, 2008, 07:40 AM

Cracovia

December 16th, 2008, 09:39 AM

Cracovia

December 16th, 2008, 10:07 AM

Silesia
Tender announced for Slask Stadium
The tender encompasses Building the new stand, a new roof for the whole stadium, a renovation of the exisisting stand, and the whole technical and neccessary backdrop, including 2 carparks.

Krakow
Tender for Wisla Stadium in Last phase, the most competitive offer is within the city budget so we should have works restarting in January.

Poznan
http://budowa.maroonpoint.com/2008/s0853.jpg
http://budowa.maroonpoint.com/2008/s0855.jpg

Warsaw
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/5/6046/z6046935X.jpg
^^colour and seat layout
http://www.dziennik.pl/files/archive/00144/FR_20081210_011__jp_144810g.jpg
^^seats
http://www.dziennik.pl/files/archive/00144/FR_20081210_013__jp_144812a.jpg
^^Fasade
http://www.dziennik.pl/files/archive/00144/FR_20081210_002__jp_144803a.jpg
^^Complete documentation for stadium
Legia Stadium, training facility

http://www.legia.com/www/galerie/wydarzenia/2008-12-14/big/1004.JPG
http://www.legia.com/www/pliki/newsy/beton3.JPG
^^We have concrete :banana::banana::banana:
Gdansk
http://imggal.trojmiasto.pl/zdj/arch/17800/-17852.JPG
http://imggal.trojmiasto.pl/zdj/arch/17800/-17849.JPG
^^We have heavy machinary on the Construction site

Silesian Aglomoration...First line of fast regional train service launched
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/748/hpim3840sq1.jpg
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9049/hpim3844hp4.jpg
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/6250/hpim3859xy0.jpg
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3840/hpim3860zr9.jpg
http://www.wpk.katowice.pl/photo/kolej/taryfa-aglo.jpg
^^Planned network

Cracovia

December 16th, 2008, 10:14 AM

A4 German broder to Krzyzowa
http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200812_12.JPG
^^Mounting of road signs has begun, motorway to be opened next year
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=29290210&postcount=3443

krzysiu_

December 16th, 2008, 11:56 AM

guys, you aren't that better by many parametres! but the main thing is that you are brothers Slavs and you must always appreciate and not offend each other!I can assure you that you're wrong, but I do not want those two ua trolls back. Anyway now I'm just waiting till may 2009 for the final decision which cities are in and which are out...I also hope, that they'll change 8 cities on 10.

El Vampiro Ucraniano

December 16th, 2008, 11:57 AM

Problem is that Ukraine is not doing anything, 2 stadiums built by oligarchs doesn't make you sufficiently prepared for the championship. Because of your inability to do anything properly, constant government infighting and your collapsing economy you will bring shame and disgrace not only to yourself but also to us since we are co-hosting it with you..

Ok, let's do some reviewing.

Kyiv - Construction started, lower stand demolished, currently piles are driven in for the new one. Mall blocking the exit routes - demolished, underground parking built for it will be used for the stadium.

Odesa - 50% of the old stadium demolished (because Chornomorets will play there during the construction), presently first stand is being built (actually being built, concrete works are going on) Funded by the club and local government.

Lviv - Construction started, site cleared, foundation works in process. 100% budget funded

Kharkiv - All stands complete, currently new roof is being installed, and some exterior works. By 2012 a whole area around the stadium is expected to be redeveloped. Club funded

Donetsk - Pitch being poot in place a whole park around the stadium being redeveloped. + 1 more stadium in Donetsk will be refuirbished and have a new roof poot in placace, will be used as training/reserve venue.

Dnipropetrovsk - Complete.

You can brag about infrastructure all you want, but i doubt UEFA will allow you to play games in the middle of an airport runway or on the motorway.

Bottom line - No stadium, no Euro. This is the priority everything else secondary.[/QUOTE]

We didn't submit a bid because we didn't have an oligarch pulling strings for us. Ukraine was probably the last choice when it came to hosting a championship with us. Most people in Poland want nothing to do with Ukraine.

If it was not for Ukraine you would not submit such a bid for the next 20 years. Be thankfull because you are right it's the right connections in the right places that got us Euro in the first place, and just for the record those connections did not come from Poland.

krzysiu_

December 16th, 2008, 01:05 PM

What about hotels El Vampiro, could you write something about it, some photos or...anything...

DJRexxx

December 16th, 2008, 01:12 PM

Czy w Polsce zawsze muszą sie znaleść jakieś barany z małymi jajami które muszą pokazać wszystkim kim to oni nie sa?
Macie kompleksy to idźcie je leczyć tam gdzie ich miejsce a nie rujnujecie poraz setny wizerunek mój i milionów Polaków!

Spavo

December 16th, 2008, 02:27 PM

what's the speed of the fast regional train?

Triceratops

December 16th, 2008, 03:58 PM

After El Vampiro Ucraniano's post finally it's all clear with Ukraine! So polish forumers, please don't start offend Ukraine again - it's doing its best!! :cheers:

krzysiu_

December 16th, 2008, 04:06 PM

After El Vampiro Ucraniano's post finally it's all clear with Ukraine! So polish forumers, please don't start offend Ukraine again - it's doing its best!! :cheers:I thought 2 ukr trolls are offending Poland...All what polish forumers wants are informations about ukr. preparations and development I think, since this thread is about it...

DJRexxx

December 16th, 2008, 04:12 PM

Powiedz po co dolewasz oliwy do ognia?:|

December 16th, 2008, 04:27 PM

what's the speed of the fast regional train?

160 km/h, but on Polish rail it can be only 110 km/h

Marek_VF

December 16th, 2008, 04:40 PM

DJrexx, Would you mind writing in English? It's not Polish thread after all.

I keep on supporting the Ukrainian effort to build as much as possible. This can be a great boost in their economy. It will also make Ukraine come closer to Poland and to other EU countries. Both Poland and Ukraine can show that the border of EU isn't the only thing that matters in Europe - our countries will host EURO together to show that Slavic countries can do well or even better than people tend to think.

The worst is that most of the people who keep on saying strange or sad things about Ukraine have never been there and they DO NOT know how this country actually looks like! Just think, without EU Poland would look EXACTLY like Ukraine looks right now. The nowadays situation there reminds me Poland from lets say 1999 or 2000. The difference is not as big as some of the people from Poland imagine. In fact, many people who write offensive sentences now, after 4 years of being bombarded with EU money don't even realize that Poland without this money would look different as well.

I want Ukrainian brothers in EU as fast as possible to give them the same possibility to develop as we have got here thanks to the EU. And евро2012 is one of the steps forward to make Ukraine join our good situation.

Go Poland, Go Ukraine, like two brotherly countries! Ps. Quit it all of you.

Cracovia

December 16th, 2008, 05:56 PM

160 km/h, but on Polish rail it can be only 110 km/h

yes but the rails will be upgraded in due corse, so will the stations, also krysiu its been decided Euro is in 8 citys. In BOTH UKRAINE AND POLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh and stop beeing Knobs!!

Some New hotels in Wroclaw
5* Rialto Wroclaw (120rooms 5 apartments)
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/0/5101/z5101640O.jpg
http://upload.extrafotka.pl/5/8687/139231.jpg

5*Monopol Wroclaw (120 rooms + apartments)
http://images31.fotosik.pl/377/ea0f6a1f06d75a20.jpg
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/6226/pb110744fy3.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1569/pb140848fm4.jpg

5* Hotel Hilton
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/4/5834/m5834974.jpg
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/8923/dsc00503ap9.jpg

4* Hotel Justn Center (mercure??) (160 rooms+ apartments)
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7618/img8232af1.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8199/dsc2288zk6.jpg

New 4* Hotel Metropol (120 rooms)
http://wrosystem.um.wroc.pl/beta_4/webdisk/6d891830-b1f1-4e65-917a-f659b118fa64/h_pilsudskiego_komandorska.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/5081/m5081673.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/2/5081/m5081672.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/5086/z5086433O.jpg

Cracovia

December 16th, 2008, 06:07 PM

Already you can see the good effects of baltic arena construction on the surrounding area (which is one of the most deprived in Gdansk). A new office and shopping complex will be constructed close by and investors are very interested in surrounding areas. A nice benefit of the Euro
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm54/bike15/Zdjcie234.jpg
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm54/bike15/Zdjcie237.jpg
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm54/bike15/Zdjcie239.jpg
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm54/bike15/Zdjcie240.jpg

http://www.tower.oi.pl/

Da3won

December 16th, 2008, 06:54 PM

@ufonut, man, what kind of polish nationalist are you?! why are trying anyhow to reproach and scoff on not so rich nation of Ukarine? and what's the reason putting Poland on a very high position towards Ukarine?? guys, you aren't that better by many parametres! but the main thing is that you are brothers Slavs and you must always appreciate and not offend each other!! and let's just finally stop talking bosh things about both countries but rejoice about PL and UA development!! :)

Nationalism you misunderstand with Real facts ? Get life and tell me what false did ufonut said , if you call facts nationalism then i m really sorry to you .. And forget about Slav brothers and friendship bollocks between our two nations becouse noone i know is feel any friendship to Ukrainians i would say we feel opposit feelings !! And true is that at the moment Ukraine need Poland much more then we them . So i propose for our Ukrainian "friends" to be more polite especialy on this forum and start doing something on your won so we no need to shame you in 2012 . Happy Christmas

Iluminat

December 16th, 2008, 07:09 PM

4* Hotel Justn Center (mercure??) (160 rooms+ apartments)
:puke:

krzysiu_

December 16th, 2008, 07:36 PM

^ Yep, ugliest hotel ever!

wholagun

December 16th, 2008, 07:46 PM

:puke:

really!!! I dunno I kinda liked it.

Nationalism you misunderstand with Real facts ? Get life and tell me what false did ufonut said , if you call facts nationalism then i m really sorry to you .. And forget about Slav brothers and friendship bollocks between our two nations becouse noone i know is feel any friendship to Ukrainians i would say we feel opposit feelings !! And true is that at the moment Ukraine need Poland much more then we them . So i propose for our Ukrainian "friends" to be more polite especialy on this forum and start doing something on your won so we no need to shame you in 2012 . Happy Christmas

First off it doesn't matter who you know or what your percieved current state of relations is beccause it does not mean it should or has to be this way. The whole point of hosting the tournament is to help bring us closer ad develop political, social, and economic relations between our two countries.

You know what else is true? Poland needs the EU more then the EU needs Poland. More specifically Poland needs EU Euros. So quite the who needs who more and who is more developed b/c if you feel like Poland is developed you only need to look west across the Oder river to get a reality check.

Ukrainian formers have been polite its been Poles that have been the shit disturbers

Da3won

December 16th, 2008, 08:19 PM

^^
So quite the who needs who more and who is more developed b/c if you feel like Poland is developed you only need to look west across the Oder river to get a reality check

Thanks God we no need to look on east anymore what example we could get from there anyway :dunno: USSR Era has over :lol: But maybe Russia is this example for Ukrainians ??

You know what else is true? Poland needs the EU more then the EU needs Poland. More specifically Poland needs EU Euros. So quite the who needs who more and who is more developed b/c if you feel like Poland is developed you only need to look west across the Oder river to get a reality ..

What we really needed was easiest investing of foreginers , EU 500milion people market where we can export our goods which isnt still open for Ukraine at most , easiest of traveling sadly not for all , people on Ukraine side need more expensive visa to Poland now , what a shame .. . And else what i see you dunno alot about EU because before accesion to EU Poland paid 11,6 bilion euro and every year after join to EU we pay around 2,5 bilion Euro to EU basket so now we just get this money back .. So please dont say about such help because this is money we putted first !

Ukrainian formers have been polite its been Poles that have been the shit disturbers

I think its only your point of view ...

Triceratops

December 16th, 2008, 09:09 PM

the pics above are cool! great update guys! it's hotel boom in Poland!

krzysiu_

December 16th, 2008, 09:33 PM

^ lol

ruslan33

December 16th, 2008, 11:04 PM

Silesia

Silesian Aglomoration...First line of fast regional train service launched

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9049/hpim3844hp4.jpg

Bombardier ?

Marek_VF

December 16th, 2008, 11:33 PM

Seems so.

Cracovia

December 16th, 2008, 11:42 PM

no guys...stadler, the train is called FLIRT
http://www.stadlerrail.com/index_en.htm
http://www.stadlerrail.com/index.php?page=118

Piwosz

December 16th, 2008, 11:45 PM

del

GrimFadango

December 17th, 2008, 12:08 AM

Nationalism you misunderstand with Real facts ? Get life and tell me what false did ufonut said , if you call facts nationalism then i m really sorry to you .. And forget about Slav brothers and friendship bollocks between our two nations becouse noone i know is feel any friendship to Ukrainians i would say we feel opposit feelings !! And true is that at the moment Ukraine need Poland much more then we them . So i propose for our Ukrainian "friends" to be more polite especialy on this forum and start doing something on your won so we no need to shame you in 2012 . Happy Christmas

Oh, Homer...

Meet people, read history - see both sides of medal (oh yeah, and learn english:)).

Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła, Ще не вмерла Українa!

Cracovia

December 17th, 2008, 12:16 AM

Im getting quite happy with the way things are going, though very unhappy with the railway progress

Bogdan_ua

December 17th, 2008, 01:50 AM

Poland built its own metro. Soviets built metro for you. If you had to build a metro system on your own today it would take you 100 years and it would probably collapse anyway.
.
You don't build shit by yourself. And by the same logic, the EU built your infrastructure for you. If you had to build it on your own it would take you 100 years and it would probably collapse anyway.

We didn't submit a bid because we didn't have an oligarch pulling strings for us. Ukraine was probably the last choice when it came to hosting a championship with us. Most people in Poland want nothing to do with Ukraine.

So who "pulls your strings"? America.

lukay

December 17th, 2008, 04:16 AM

^ lol, yes America. Can we move on now? This place is in a serious need of a mode.

Bandera

December 17th, 2008, 07:20 AM

Stop acting like an asshole, and respect other people on this forum or you'll be out...

"Acting like asshole" look what youre friend posted about my nation and i act like an asshole well i guess its youre polish mentality!

Bandera

December 17th, 2008, 07:23 AM

shit you probably have in your head. stupid idiot !!!

Well judging by youre comment youre the one who is made of shit.

Bandera

December 17th, 2008, 07:26 AM

Bandera

December 17th, 2008, 07:34 AM

Nationalism you misunderstand with Real facts ? Get life and tell me what false did ufonut said , if you call facts nationalism then i m really sorry to you .. And forget about Slav brothers and friendship bollocks between our two nations becouse noone i know is feel any friendship to Ukrainians i would say we feel opposit feelings !! And true is that at the moment Ukraine need Poland much more then we them . So i propose for our Ukrainian "friends" to be more polite especialy on this forum and start doing something on your won so we no need to shame you in 2012 . Happy Christmas

Why do we need poland? as far as i know we are the ones that got you the Euro co-hosting so if anything you need us more.

Cracovia

December 17th, 2008, 08:25 AM

Im sorry but bandera there is no point putting petrol onto fire, think ure comments through calm down and stop throwing around idiotic general comments that have nothing to do with the Euro.

Also maybe u should rethink ure name i find it highly offensive and disrespectfull, i might as well change mine to Stalin or Hitler.

krzysiu_

December 17th, 2008, 11:04 AM

ua trolls are back! why.... :(

Im getting quite happy with the way things are going, though very unhappy with the railway progresshttp://www.urbanity.pl/news.php?wsk=4011

But still it's PKP so ... :(

Triceratops

December 17th, 2008, 02:30 PM

OMG!!! what's happening to most polish forumers here?? guys, can you just stop offending Ukraine?! didn't you pay attention that this thread is about both UA and PL development for Euro? ;) (it's not about reproaching each other!)

DJRexxx

December 17th, 2008, 02:55 PM

Stop this stupid WAR !!!!

Da3won

December 17th, 2008, 05:14 PM

Ukrainian Trolls are back sadly they cant keep caml their nervs so they send 4 posts one by one xD

Triceratops

December 17th, 2008, 05:37 PM

@Da3won, who do you expect to be "Ukrainian Troll", can you clear it up for us? :ohno:

CrazySerb

December 17th, 2008, 06:24 PM

Well, if you guys can't agree, I guess Russia will host EURO 2012.:D

Iluminat

December 17th, 2008, 06:46 PM

or Serbia & Montenegro

krzysiu_

December 17th, 2008, 06:48 PM

@Da3won, who do you expect to be "Ukrainian Troll", can you clear it up for us? :ohno:Since your all posts are any-polish I guess your ukrainian aswell...And what about your question, Bogdan_ua and Bandera. I thought it was clear for everbody...

Cracovia

December 17th, 2008, 07:40 PM

Since your all posts are any-polish I guess your ukrainian aswell...And what about your question, Bogdan_ua and Bandera. I thought it was clear for everbody...

And Daewon, Ufonut and Mathew22 there all knobs as well as Bandera

krzysiu_

December 17th, 2008, 08:21 PM

Probably they are but without those two ukr guys, problem wouldn't be exist...Anyway, 2009 promises very good...Can't wait to see first match on Baltic Arena in spring 2011, and ofc first match on E2012 Poland vs Germany with a score 3-0 ;)

CrazySerb

December 17th, 2008, 08:39 PM

or Serbia & Montenegro

Been there, done that.
We organized one of the first EURO's, back in 1960's, so now other EE countries, such as Poland or Russia, can get their turn.

We.... we want to host the World Cup:cheers:

krzysiu_

December 17th, 2008, 08:48 PM

I thought E1960 was in France but...

CrazySerb

December 17th, 2008, 11:40 PM

Pardon me, we hosted it in 1976.

Bogdan_ua

December 18th, 2008, 12:48 AM

Since your all posts are any-polish I guess your ukrainian aswell...And what about your question, Bogdan_ua and Bandera. I thought it was clear for everbody...

All my posts have been in responding to Polish provocation, check quotes.

Cracovia

December 18th, 2008, 01:07 AM

I love how many forumers think we are some sort of ambasadors represtenting whole nations...makes me chuckle

paku

December 18th, 2008, 12:45 PM

In some way we are ambassadors indeed, as for many people communication through forum may be the only contact with certain nationality they have. If many Poles behave like dicks on the forum, that's the impression (a superficial, but still) others are going to get. And people remember bad things better than good by nature.
So guys, stop behaving like dicks, please.

Iluminat

December 18th, 2008, 01:00 PM

But it's true that we have very long dicks.

Triceratops

December 18th, 2008, 01:55 PM

Since your all posts are any-polish I guess your ukrainian aswell...And what about your question, Bogdan_ua and Bandera. I thought it was clear for everbody...

How can you say anything about me, I'm neutral! And you are not a troll as well as Daewon, Ufonut and Mathew22Yeah, no way! :wink2: Anyway, it's all clear who are trolls from both sides and I offer forget this senseless stupid polemics for ever! :)

adas22

December 20th, 2008, 03:18 PM

Poland is to give Ukraine over 3 billion$ help - still unofficial news.

Bogdan_ua

December 20th, 2008, 04:16 PM

Ukraine is to give Poland over 10 billion$ help - still unofficial news.

rakim

December 20th, 2008, 04:43 PM

Burkina Faso is to give USA over 20 billion$ help - still unofficial news.

adas22

December 20th, 2008, 05:18 PM

Ukraine is to give Poland over 10 billion$ help - still unofficial news.

well its not funny, Ukraine is like 3 times poorer thenPoland, its good our government want to help Ukraine.

Da3won

December 20th, 2008, 05:18 PM

Russia is to give Ukraine 2,4 billion $ gas bill for winter :lol:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7740607.stm

well its not funny, Ukraine is like 3 times poorer thenPoland, its good our government want to help Ukraine.

You can see the thanks from Ukrainians for that :lol:

adas22

December 20th, 2008, 05:44 PM

Ukraine is to give Poland over 10 billion$ help - still unofficial news.

well Ukraine is extremely poor compared to Poland, I think its fine we are to help you.

Da3won

December 20th, 2008, 05:47 PM

well Ukraine is extremely poor compared to Poland, I think its fine we are to help you.

Well lets say we will lent them 3bilion $ how the hell they will pay it back ???

When they cant pay 2,4 bilion to Russia for gas they used :dunno:

charonn

December 20th, 2008, 05:56 PM

or Serbia & Montenegro

Why not Kosovo?

adas22

December 20th, 2008, 05:57 PM

Well lets say we will lent them 3bilion $ how the hell they will pay it back ???

When they cant pay 2,4 bilion to Russia for gas they used :dunno:
Poland is not Ukraine, we have a bit more money.

PiesNaKomuchow

December 20th, 2008, 06:08 PM

Poland is not Ukraine, we have a bit more money.
But its not any reason to throw it away - and giving it to Ukraine is throwing 3 bilion $ away in my opinion... We've got our own problems with euro preparations, and such kind of charity is definately wrong in our situation... Ukraine has got many oligarchs and multibilioners so they can handle it, i suppose...:)

Da3won

December 20th, 2008, 06:11 PM

Euro 2012 in Ukraine without a hotels ?
(Gazeta Wyborcza, ar/20.12.2008 at. 10:48)
Stadiums in Ukraine in mid already built a hotel there will not be, because their construction is not paid for - Krzysztof Lipka says in an interview for Gazeta Wyborcza. "

Lipka asked whether Ukraine will succeed in preparation for the Euro, expressed the conviction that, yes. - The construction of the stadiums are more advanced than we, the objects in Dnipropetrovsk and Donetsk are almost ready.

However, according to Lipki, presents a much worse situation in terms of infrastructure. - Hotels will not and none for example, in Donetsk no secret - said on łamach "Gazeta Wyborcza." - Todays talking with businessmen and all ask more or less the same question: Which company will construct hotels in 50 thousand. fans, after which the championship will be standing empty? I mean, here come the tourists, because in Donetsk are the only steel mills, mines and office buildings. There are three or four expensive hotels, where the live businesspeople. Any monuments or natural attractions. Nobody will invest in outlook devoid of interest, and the construction of hotels really need considerable money. The same is true in Dnipropetrovsk. In Kiev and Lviv is a larger sense, but also there from day to day will not be a mass influx of tourists - added.

According to Lipki, Ukrainian roads can be compared to Poland. - From Kiev to Donetsk leads dwupasmówka, holes, is more or less the same as on our roads. Sure zdążą renovate it, may yet manage to build the next two lanes, at the end of red tape is much less than in Poland. But fans will move around more frequently trains or airplanes than cars. The most important is the airport. Today we are in extremely bad condition - small and neglected. But their expansion does not need such big money again - Krzysztof Lipka said.

Krzysztof Lipka is a Pole, one of the heads of a consultancy firm PricewaterhouseCoopers in Ukraine.

Maurycy

December 20th, 2008, 06:52 PM

WTF is going on here!? Euro 2012 will be held in POLAND and UKRAINE. Who are those idiots from both Poland and Ukraine whose only intention is to make us all pissed with eath other. Chill out guys, I'm still sure Ukraine will handle it, they're in much more difficult political and economical situation than we are so we all should be understanding. We had some problems too, I remember all the press screaming "we will never begin to build those stadiums" - now half a year later it's all going great. The same's gonna be with Ukraine. Everything's gonna be all right. And calm down a bit, please.

adas22

December 20th, 2008, 08:39 PM

But its not any reason to throw it away - and giving it to Ukraine is throwing 3 bilion $ away in my opinion... We've got our own problems with euro preparations, and such kind of charity is definately wrong in our situation... Ukraine has got many oligarchs and multibilioners so they can handle it, i suppose...:)

is it bad Poland can afford for some help, Ukraine needs now?

Triceratops

December 20th, 2008, 09:48 PM

OMG, what's bad that Poland wants to give its brother country Ukarine a hand? Guys, btw, isn't this thread supposed to be about development in both countries and not about bashing each other??

Jasix

December 20th, 2008, 09:53 PM

Guys please... Stop this stupid argument immiedately! Euro 2012 is a great chance for both countries, so we shouldn't f**k it up because of our tough history. I hope that Ukraine will make it, I really do. If not, maybe than Poland will have 6 host cities, I don't know, but for now it is still open. So get to work and shut the f**k up for Christ's sake! :cheers:

adas22

December 20th, 2008, 10:18 PM

OMG, what's bad that Poland wants to give its brother country Ukarine a hand? Guys, btw, isn't this thread supposed to be about development in both countries and not about bashing each other??

Poland is much richer, and its a good move we want to help Ukraine, when its economy is collapsing.

krzysiu_

December 20th, 2008, 10:19 PM

UEFA hopeful on good deal for broadcast rights for Euro 2012
Date: 19/12/2008

DECEMBER 19 - UEFA claimed today it can still get a good price for broadcast rights to the 2012 European Football Championship in Poland the the Ukraine despite the global financial crisis.

UEFA has given broadcasters and marketing agencies a month to stake an interest before bidding for multimedia rights to show the next tournament.

UEFA spokesman Rob Faulkner said: "We are quite confident that, after a successful Euro 2008, that Euro 2012 will continue to deliver good incomes."

Football's European governing body made a €250 million (£232 million) profit staging Euro 2008 over three weeks in Austria and Switzerland in June.

Tournament turnover was €1.3 billion (£1.2 billion) with around €750 million (£698 million) believed to have been earned from selling the rights to show matches on television and through the internet and mobile phones.

UEFA estimates that at least 155 million people watched each of the 31 matches live on television, with more than 200 broadcasters covering 231 countries.

Faulkner said the European Championship ranked in the top three audiences for global sporting events, behind football's World Cup and the Summer Olympics.

Potential bidders must register with UEFA by a January 20 deadline to get more information about the process.

Faulkner said: "We are in a business where you can't wait to see what happens in the market.

"We have moved on to Euro 2012 and we need to have contracts in place."

UEFA plans to separate deals for some of its major markets - such as France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Britain - to maximise revenue.

For Euro 2004, the Swiss-based UEFA sold collective rights to the European Broadcasting Union, an umbrella organization of 75 public networks in 56 countries.

UEFA changed strategy for Euro 2008, selling European rights to Sportfive, a French-owned marketing agency based in Hamburg, Germany, which then made deals with broadcasters country-by-country, a deal that the International Olympic Committee plans to follow when it sells the rights for the 2014 Winter and 2016 Summer Games.

asotUA

December 20th, 2008, 11:00 PM

Wow its been a while since I visited here and what I see now is 3 f*cking pages of bullshit talk from both sides!:bash:..Why? for what? kinder garden is calling again?...seriously, WTF you guys? I dont think any of us here are 5 years old. Lets be nice to each other its that simple or I'm the only Ukrainian and Triceratops from Latvia who has nothing against Poland or Polish forumers here or about the whole Euro2012 im general?...please dont make me be your mommy and bring you all together!:)

So, I like the pictures of that rail you guys got..looks very Germany:))...Hopefully Lviv and Kyiv get some Euro looking trams by 2012!..if both get atleast 20, I'll be more then happy!:cheers:

Update about Ukraine, to those who don't know Kyiv and Kharkhiv's airports are now officially under construction!:cheers:

krzysiu_

December 21st, 2008, 12:01 AM

^ Photos? Renders?

asotUA

December 21st, 2008, 01:18 AM

I don't have any fresh ones because I curently don't live in Ukraine but lots of news about those.

Here is a the newest one for Kharkiv Airport.
http://i34.tinypic.com/fomb08.jpg
For more visit the official thead http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=741110

About Boryspil I have no idea, the construction began so what is there to take?..probably a big same whole as at Kharkivs but again if you guys want to check out you are free to visit the Terminal D thead http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=741090

And aslo Donetsk Airport(not bad looking projects as for what some of you here call "POOR" Ukraine, must check it out;))http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=741098

krzysiu_

December 21st, 2008, 01:58 AM

Nice to see some new airporst/terminals in UA, cause current airports doesn't look good imo..

PL2012

December 21st, 2008, 05:09 AM

Can anybody tell me when we should be seeing major construction in cities such as wroclaw, gdansk, warsaw.

asotUA

December 21st, 2008, 07:35 AM

Can anybody tell me when we should be seeing major construction in cities such as wroclaw, gdansk, warsaw.

Define "major" please.

Isnt major construction already going on in those cities by reading all the past pages of this thread..?

adas22

December 21st, 2008, 08:44 AM

Movie from Poland

http://www.2012.org.pl/news/multimedia/

Jasix

December 21st, 2008, 11:58 AM

Have you seen Zaglebie Lubin Stadium in Poland? It will be probably one of national training grounds during Euro 2012. Lubin lays near Wroclaw.

Some photos:

http://www.zaglebie-lubin.pl/www/upload/18.12.08/stadion/5.jpg

http://www.zaglebie-lubin.pl/www/upload/18.12.08/stadion/2.jpg

http://www.zaglebie-lubin.pl/www/upload/18.12.08/stadion/7.jpg

http://www.zaglebie-lubin.pl/www/upload/18.12.08/stadion/9.jpg

http://www.zaglebie-lubin.pl/www/upload/18.12.08/stadion/4.jpg

It will be open in March 2009

Triceratops

December 21st, 2008, 01:18 PM

Poland is much richer, and its a good move we want to help Ukraine, when its economy is collapsing.

On your place I wouldn't say that Poland is much richer than Ukraine, but it definately is a smart good move they want to help their brother country! But please keep more to the topic and don't try anyhow to prove who's better or anything else!

Triceratops

December 21st, 2008, 01:21 PM

Thanks for update guys, finally something clears up! Any renderings of Lubin Stadium?

adas22

December 21st, 2008, 01:21 PM

asotUA

December 21st, 2008, 01:34 PM

^^enough you guys. Yes, its bigger I agree and Im sure we all know why by today so why don't we stop talking about this economy/history crap and focus on projects and updates.:)

It's like comparing Moldova to Macedonia or something...already know who is on the top:lol:

Bogdan_ua

December 21st, 2008, 02:30 PM

^^^only 3 times higher budget, being a smaller country.

Thanks to EU charity

krzysiu_

December 21st, 2008, 02:57 PM

Airports in Poland (E2012):

Gdańsk:

http://images28.fotosik.pl/21/5360d930ee93671a.jpg

http://images25.fotosik.pl/21/b9bc6ad7ee91b434.jpg

http://images24.fotosik.pl/21/ad7f4467592b6c5e.jpg

New Terminal, construction start in spring 2009

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/157/lotniskoal4.png

Poznań

http://poznanskie-nieruchomosci.pl/media/Lawica.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/1/5142/z5142511X.jpg

Wrocław ROFL !!!!

http://www.wrocek.pl/fotki/4685o.jpg

Construction of the new terminal shouldstart in spring 2009

http://www.airport.wroclaw.pl/img/2007-06-01_3.jpg

http://www.airport.wroclaw.pl/img/2007-06-01_4.jpg

http://www.airport.wroclaw.pl/img/2007-06-01_1.jpg

http://www.airport.wroclaw.pl/img/2007-06-01_5.jpg

Warsaw

T1

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/WarsawAirportOkecieTerminal1.jpg

T2

http://images23.fotosik.pl/7/f07323facb7648a2.jpg

http://images23.fotosik.pl/7/6329e6293380c0c4.jpg

http://images29.fotosik.pl/7/afcadb3213eed48b.jpg

http://images23.fotosik.pl/7/837e8553df4389af.jpg

http://images26.fotosik.pl/7/9e995e4e7f742ad5.jpg

http://images27.fotosik.pl/7/3080b9411414c4c3.jpg

http://images23.fotosik.pl/7/a8ae0827b50ce66e.jpg

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/7933/img9103aw8.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1875/img9093wn0.jpg

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2204/img9104yx0.jpg

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1075/img9030fr1.jpg

Kraków

http://www.krakowskieinwestycje.pl/inwestycje_data/gallery/38bc991e023e2b5e875955be50576768.jpeg

http://www.krakowskieinwestycje.pl/inwestycje_data/gallery/734c32e2b126cb24c531f917a58b5223.jpeg

http://www.krakowskieinwestycje.pl/inwestycje_data/gallery/9fc3c3367fdd04c0aab3fc881cecb58d.jpeg

New terminal, construction start in spring/summer 2009

http://www.krakowskieinwestycje.pl/inwestycje_data/gallery/6ec402e939e3284a01b4e9a02a27c848.jpeg

http://www.krakowskieinwestycje.pl/inwestycje_data/gallery/75561ec250cfd3dd5dcf87262f9fe34b.jpeg

http://www.krakowskieinwestycje.pl/inwestycje_data/gallery/36a134886d01ebb99ecc35697e3e8c9d.jpeg

Chorzow, but airpot is in Katowice Quite new terminal, built like a year ago...

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/1/4300/z4300601X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/4/4300/z4300644X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/0/4300/z4300600X.jpg

http://fotoforum.gazeta.pl/photo/7/nd/de/sjqu/kkIldFTrSaxWnmGPwB.jpg

http://fotoforum.gazeta.pl/photo/7/nd/de/sjqu/aTPx93CC2uVg8dQAmB.jpg

Jasix

December 21st, 2008, 02:58 PM

Thanks for update guys, finally something clears up! Any renderings of Lubin Stadium?

sure thing mate ;) here you go:

http://images13.fotosik.pl/59/08e166aad7d650bdm.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.php?id=08e166aad7d650bd) http://images29.fotosik.pl/72/1728afcfcfb30975m.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.php?id=1728afcfcfb30975) http://images13.fotosik.pl/59/7dd31323fb0ddca7m.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.php?id=7dd31323fb0ddca7) http://images21.fotosik.pl/391/ec171113abd5c5cfm.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.php?id=ec171113abd5c5cf) http://images30.fotosik.pl/72/127e792b3c7550cam.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.php?id=127e792b3c7550ca) http://images21.fotosik.pl/391/a34428a97aef1583m.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.php?id=a34428a97aef1583)

Video:
K4B5VZlwLlE

Thanks to EU charity

enough!

krzysiu_

December 21st, 2008, 03:05 PM

Thanks to EU charityIf I would be you (troll), I would say: So why UA isn't in EU then, but they're hoping/there's a small chance to join in 2020...Please leave this thread men!

raskolnikow

December 21st, 2008, 03:27 PM

Thanks to EU charity

oh yeah smart you.

Actually Poland pays more to EU budget than it gets.
Source: dziennik (unfortunately in polish)
http://www.dziennik.pl/gospodarka/article281649/Polska_doklada_do_Unii.html

DocentX

December 21st, 2008, 03:28 PM

Can anybody tell me when we should be seeing major construction in cities such as wroclaw, gdansk, warsaw.

Some examples :

Tricity (Gdansk Sopot Gdynia) :

Gdansk

Targ Rybny (including Hilton hotel)

http://images48.fotosik.pl/40/1f876d08ecab4941.jpg

http://images38.fotosik.pl/40/82da14a6d54229f3.jpg

http://images36.fotosik.pl/40/0b3df4f906a34d51.jpg

const near Szafarnia street

http://images34.fotosik.pl/418/990ff01f7b89375b.jpg

http://images39.fotosik.pl/40/bcc3365e50663a01.jpg

http://images32.fotosik.pl/422/ea8943cee22482e0.jpg

http://images35.fotosik.pl/42/600290e15e85e93a.jpg

Radisson hotel

http://images31.fotosik.pl/419/3ada9e91e5659743.jpg

http://iv.pl/images/m3xyudhriaj535bkv9ky.jpg

New hospital

http://www.amg.gda.pl/image/image/1483/large/CMI_wizualizacja_1.jpg

http://www.amg.gda.pl/photo_data/image/4301/large/am_2008-11-13_016m.jpg

revitalization of the historic city center

http://iv.pl/images/cgne3m23yfh34ouk1ei.jpg

http://images31.fotosik.pl/419/026cb2590fbaaeb7.jpg

http://images33.fotosik.pl/424/e727fc3eaeeea56e.jpg

http://images50.fotosik.pl/40/0b1a2fe4fe5d139f.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c331/Fr0stek/SSC/DSCF1634.jpg

Gdansk train station - looks already ok ;) :cheers:

http://images24.fotosik.pl/233/12f3aae53b40c987.jpg

http://images29.fotosik.pl/232/845da994003ed755.jpg

Gdansk Airport

new terminal - const didn't start yet

http://img.trojmiasto.pl/zdj/fotki/13900/z13934.jpg

current termianl

http://www.zkmgdynia.pl/images/gal33.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Tricity_airport_in_Gdansk_Poland_2004_ubt.jpeg/800px-Tricity_airport_in_Gdansk_Poland_2004_ubt.jpeg

Sopot - new city center

http://www.chris.gdapolis.pl/d/412-1

http://images27.fotosik.pl/279/59591cc79f0f52ef.jpg

http://images32.fotosik.pl/370/339ba2543aa33f58.jpg

Sheraton hotel

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4207/p1130700xo3.jpg

Modernization of the E-65 rail track between Warsaw and Tricity

http://i44.tinypic.com/2d94j1i.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/2rz2ljl.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/2ynh1sm.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/23tkoqa.jpg

Wroclaw

hotel Just'n Center

http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o470/KarolJagoda/justin05.jpg

http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o470/KarolJagoda/justin02.jpg

Monopol hotel

http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l391/skansen/P1040678.jpg

http://images31.fotosik.pl/377/ea0f6a1f06d75a20.jpg

Grunwaldzka Center

http://images32.fotosik.pl/420/35ae881dbcfe1731.jpg

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/258/258339.jpg

Hilton hotel

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/8923/dsc00503ap9.jpg

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/1/dsc00422ox5.jpg

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7986/dsc00420pz7.jpg

Angel Wings

http://images40.fotosik.pl/39/b1b731b1542db7b4.jpg

city center revitalization

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/258/258204.jpg

http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l391/skansen/SN150317.jpg

http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l391/skansen/SN150320.jpg

http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l391/skansen/SN150312.jpg

http://images45.fotosik.pl/28/bd906ebce1a0582c.jpg

http://images33.fotosik.pl/401/5b825aa84a00b9c4.jpg

http://images25.fotosik.pl/284/3214cb009f37c2bd.jpg

new trams

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/248/248748.jpg

Tram connection with Euro 2012 stadium - vision ;

http://www.wi.wroc.pl/html/inwestycje/01012/081212_wiz_2_big.jpg

Wroclaw train station - will be revitalized

http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika2/90615,104200,9.jpg

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/11/11192.jpg

Wroclaw airport

new terminal - const should start soon

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/9246/naglowek4jn9.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w41/ivn-wrc/Makiety/23.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w41/ivn-wrc/Makiety/31.jpg

current terminal

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/117/117207.jpg

Poznan

Sheraton hotel - completed

http://www.hotelewpolsce.com.pl/sheratpo.htm

Andersia Tower - offices and hotel - completed

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6928/pict0133ag3.jpg

http://images33.fotosik.pl/53/34a8adf5929ff0e5.jpg

Poznan - revitalization of the city

http://www.imagic.pl/files/8804/Centrum/Stary%20Rynek%2078%20-%20Pa%B3ac%20Dzia%B3y%F1skich%20-%201.jpg

http://www.imagic.pl/files/8804/Centrum/Stary%20Rynek%2083.jpg

http://www.tutej.pl/pliki/cms/5872/wroniecka3.jpg

http://tutej.pl/pliki/cms/5814/bazar1.jpg

http://images31.fotosik.pl/346/8502501dbbec6eac.jpg

Poznan train station

current terminal

http://www.rynek-kolejowy.pl/images/upload/obraz(1161).jpg

in the future - new termianl with new buildings around :

http://poznanskie-nieruchomosci.pl/media/NowyDworzec_1.jpg

Poznan airport - current terminal

http://bank.muratorplus.pl/images/Vol0002/18977_2.jpg

http://bank.muratorplus.pl/images/Vol0002/18978_2.jpg

http://bank.muratorplus.pl/images/Vol0002/18980_2.jpg

Warsaw

Zlota 44

http://images29.fotosik.pl/305/5a530ed624589b0f.jpg

revitalization of smaller train stations

- Powisle

http://images31.fotosik.pl/421/c24cbdc0016b9ff2.jpg

http://images37.fotosik.pl/41/06e600cc2261c339.jpg

- Ochota

http://images35.fotosik.pl/36/81d8ca39df68c69f.jpg

http://images50.fotosik.pl/36/7cd86808b424a91e.jpg

Hotel system

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/144/002eo6.jpg

investments near Grzybowska street

-Dom Development

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9474/pc140150mq2.jpg

- Platinum Towers

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t308/chinique1/PlatiniumHilton_20081205.jpg

http://images34.fotosik.pl/420/8a0375b5f233fa75med.jpg

Zebra Tower:

http://fotoforum.gazeta.pl/photo/5/hd/ec/dceh/lLWFlJc2TlbaqxKXCX.jpg

http://www.sb-gruppe.at/img/projects/pol/pol1/3d6_pol1.jpg

Rondo City

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4285/069fw0.jpg

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7808/070zl4.jpg

Menolly :

http://nowepowisle.pl/_/dziennik/2008.10.3017.jpg

http://nowepowisle.pl/_/dziennik/2008.12.1604.jpg

Investments near Inflandzka street

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa219/timit_timit/ssc/P1160507.jpg

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/6125/dsc00008iy3.jpg

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/9622/p1010242fu3.jpg

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2671/p1010247mw2.jpg

Hotel Warszawa - redevelopment

http://www.urbanity.pl/photos/54/03/5403.jpg

http://www.urbanity.pl/photos/54/01/5401.jpg

http://lorenc.home.pl/kr79.5/b.jpg

New trains, new trams

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/1/6012/z6012071X.jpg

http://radiolet.rail.pl/photos/11-2008/2008-11_10.jpg

http://tramwar4.republika.pl/3101-190061-z.jpg

S8 highway in Warsaw :

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_IjWGhHidNnQ/SUVZ-YPWpJI/AAAAAAAA1tk/F6-CXbxAx8M/s800/dsc09284a.jpg

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_IjWGhHidNnQ/STMa5N2VZdI/AAAAAAAA1G8/vCwds6zeXfk/s800/dsc08898a.jpg

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_IjWGhHidNnQ/STMe3yaWqzI/AAAAAAAA1ZQ/ufxjcQVxsaw/s800/dsc08970.jpg

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5645/3333cp3.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/1/6068/z6068441X.jpg

S8 highway - Radzymin - Wyszkow :

http://fotoforum.gazeta.pl/photo/7/fh/qa/ezyi/5FcdJ3hKGdPKbCwdPX.jpg

http://www.przychodzki.pl/index.php?option=com_ponygallery&func=watermark&id=1150&orig=1&no_html=1&Itemid=61

http://www.islandia.ehost.pl/radz-wyszkow/image6.jpg

http://www.islandia.ehost.pl/radz-wyszkow/image9.jpg

Warsaw airport - terminal 2

http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika_zw/301851,86285,9.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1875/img9093wn0.jpg

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1075/img9030fr1.jpg

krzysiu_

December 21st, 2008, 03:32 PM

^ This thread is about e2012 preparations, not general development...

Jasix

December 21st, 2008, 03:35 PM

DocentX -> omg, what a great post :) Keep it up mate!

Guys -> have you seen Legia Stadium in Warsaw? It will be a training ground like Lubin Stadium during Euro 2012. Here are some renderings:

http://stadion.legia.com/images/projekt/1.jpg

http://stadion.legia.com/images/projekt/2.jpg

http://stadion.legia.com/images/projekt/3.jpg

http://stadion.legia.com/images/projekt/4.jpg

http://stadion.legia.com/images/projekt/5.JPG

The construction started one month ago :)

http://www.legia.com/www/pliki/newsy/pracujasobota4.JPG

http://www.legia.com/www/pliki/newsy/pracujasobota3.JPG

Triceratops

December 21st, 2008, 04:01 PM

^^ This is the BEST update made in the recent months or maybe even years!!! :banana: Thank you so much DocentX! :cheers: After this post I think all questions about preparations in Poland are being taken off - it cleared up everything for us! :)
Ok, let's wait, for now it's the turn of Ukraine to show something similar! :banana:

Da3won

December 21st, 2008, 04:13 PM

On your place I wouldn't say that Poland is much richer than Ukraine, but it definately is a smart good move they want to help their brother country! But please keep more to the topic and don't try anyhow to prove who's better or anything else!

Yes especialy when Poland lent 100 milion Euro aid help to Latvia :lol: And please stop this bollocks about brother country for god sake youre so iritating :sly:

BTW : krzysiu_ , DocentX :bravo:

krzysiu_

December 21st, 2008, 05:02 PM

Yeah, but like I said let's focus on E2012 stuff, we don't need zyyylions of photos of some offices/apartmants etc in here...

DocentX

December 21st, 2008, 05:02 PM

^ This thread is about e2012 preparations, not general development...

Some of the developments are connected with Euro 2012, some not - well I thought that maybe some people would be interested in what is going on in the cities.

CrazySerb

December 21st, 2008, 05:05 PM

Hell yeah. Don't worry Docent, your photos are far more interesting than the "discussion" we had so far;)

Now, we're waiting for the Ukrainians!

krzysiu_

December 21st, 2008, 05:20 PM

Some of the developments are connected with Euro 2012, some not - well I thought that maybe some people would be interested in what is going on in the cities.But there're sooooo many things to post so... We already have a thread about apartments, offices etc, don't need to post it twice. Ofc I can post other things in there but then you'll have to wait like 2h to see all of them, pointless...ONLY E2012 stuff please!

Triceratops

December 21st, 2008, 05:55 PM

Yes especialy when Poland lent 100 milion Euro aid help to Latvia :lol: And please stop this bollocks about brother country for god sake youre so iritating :sly:

What kind of troll are you?? Why are you beggining to spread total bash which is absolutely off-topic in this thread? And what's the point in refusing Ukraine to be Polish Brother Country?! Your countries were always together during many centuries, your mentalities are similar, you both speak Slavic languages and so on! There's only one explanation to your strange behaviour - you're a strange Polish nationalist who thinks that his country is a centre of the universe!!:nuts:
P.S. Wasn't we supposed to discuss development problemes here but not political? ;)

Spencer

December 21st, 2008, 06:03 PM

Where the f* is mod?! That thread turned into a trashy troll cave. Poles, behave yourselvs!

Da3won

December 21st, 2008, 06:22 PM

What kind of troll are you?? Why are you beggining to spread total bash which is absolutely off-topic in this thread? And what's the point in refusing Ukraine to be Polish Brother Country?! Your countries were always together during many centuries, your mentalities are similar, you both speak Slavic languages and so on! There's only one explanation to your strange behaviour - you're a strange Polish nationalist who thinks that his country is a centre of the universe!!:nuts:
P.S. Wasn't we supposed to discuss development problemes here but not political? ;)

Yes and Latvians know the best about it . Its like to say that Latvians are in brooterhood with Russians :lol: Man in what sentimental world do you live , and i m not any nationalism i just look real at staff not by the pink glasses . So think before you wil call someone nacionalist or he will call you nazist :lol:And it show how disgreatful you are to countries that help you while your economy is crashing down :ohno:

krzysiu_

December 21st, 2008, 06:22 PM

Where the f* is mod?! That thread turned into a trashy troll cave. Poles, behave yourselvs!Po co to wogóle piszesz, co? Powiedz, jaki to ma związek z tematem? Jeżeli chciałeś tylko przyspamować to ci sie udało. Po to m.in. były te dwa długie posty ze zdjęciami moje i Docentax żeby oddzielić ten spam, ale nie jakiś polak musi przyjść coś głupiego palnąć, jeszcze ukraińskie trole wrócą i znowu będzie tak samo...ffs. Da3won nie troluj PROSZE!

Some about polish roads: Agreement on building A1 Łódź - Pyrzowice (180 km) was signed.

Walesa to draw Euro 2012 groups?
Written by The News pl (www.polskieradio.pl)

Lech Walesa is among three possible candidates to draw teams out of the hat for the group stages of the Euro 2012 football championships to be hosted by Poland and Ukraine.

Honor of the draw

Current Polish FA head Grzegorz Lato and the man he beat for that post in elections earlier this month, Zbigniew Boniak. The decision when the draw will be made will take place at a meeting on December 10. The drawing ceremony will take place probably at the Great Theatre in Warsaw. Ukrainian celebrities are also likely to be in the running for the honor of drawing lots.

wholagun

December 21st, 2008, 06:50 PM

Where the f* is mod?! That thread turned into a trashy troll cave. Poles, behave yourselvs!

its only 2 or 3 that are causing the stir up. Many of us are critical of Polish trolls

Great update :cheers:

Although from relatives traveling through Warsaw to Canada I have heard nothing but criticisms. They say the airport only looks nice but inside its confusing and poorly organized.

Da3won

December 21st, 2008, 07:05 PM

its only 2 or 3 that are causing the stir up. Many of us are critical of Polish trolls

Great update :cheers:

Although from relatives traveling through Warsaw to Canada I have heard nothing but criticisms. They say the airport only looks nice but inside its confusing and poorly organized.

Ok so wheres Kiev Airport ? Lets have see :dunno:

ok here are some pics of some bloke http://images.google.pl/imgres?imgurl=http://lh4.ggpht.com/_EHbf-gkQ3Hc/R7gnKDS_qxI/AAAAAAAACNA/xFVUJfH5_lk/IMG_1237.jpg&imgrefurl=http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/qxW36X4PMMzhvAbyJywLFg&usg=__0FAMnNYWjlHbc5UNuCKsy09bhZI=&h=768&w=1024&sz=15&hl=pl&start=9&um=1&tbnid=bNYQfF1ThAik4M:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkiev%2Bairport%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dpl%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN
And comment Under : Kiev Airport is worse than anywhere else :lol:

Hard to find any pics of it on net :dunno:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/view?q=Kiev%20Airport%20&psc=G&filter=1#

And some comments

This one is the best : "By far the most abysmal airports I have seen are in Russia/Ukraine is the airport in Kiev ,,,,no lights,,,, looks like a prison....I had an irregularity in my visa and was doomed...until the guard saw I was going to LUTSK....luckily...his home town..."
http://www.sleepinginairports.net/search.asp?SearchTerm=kiev&action=Review+Search

Other one review : http://en.for-ua.com/letters/2005/09/06/162943.html

And how sad is that ? :(

DJRexxx

December 21st, 2008, 11:19 PM

Devon has been banned <yupi> :D

Big thanks for one of Polish moderators

DocentX

December 21st, 2008, 11:30 PM

Now sth from Krakow

Krakow's train station

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7199/71118149ik9.jpg

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/4333/43671561rq8.jpg

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5310/68112685ib2.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1940/31417739ui6.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/71/197144135_ac41ee930f_o.jpg

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/2761/14oc8.jpg

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/752/12aapv6.jpg

underground fast tram stop under the train station

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/323/16aai5.jpg

new hotel u/c near Krakow's train station

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8700/hot1ml0.jpg

Angel City near the train station

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/7123/ac2xc0.jpg

http://images41.fotosik.pl/37/15522db3f8d7ae22med.jpg

new office buildings (not connected with Euro byt anyway...)

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3356/dsc01008mc9.jpg

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/5666/img06294569904xq4.jpg

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7710/img06434653745vy1.jpg

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/2656/kaz4ch4.jpg

http://images41.fotosik.pl/38/25f9acd9ccec3d29med.jpg

http://images42.fotosik.pl/37/d836357c284fcb28.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9061/quat2qz2.jpg

http://images32.fotosik.pl/395/68ab8953eea18278.jpg

'Skeleton' building - there is a chance that it will be rebuilt till Euro 2012

now

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v661/azazell/Krakow_27_lipca/IMG_0382.jpg?t=1217245061

visions :

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/0/5720/z5720400X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/5966/z5966853X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/5/5966/z5966855X.jpg

Bonarka City Center

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1112/bcc6qw6.jpg

Wislane Tarasy apartments

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7995/p1140619kq2.jpg

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/113/p1140706tw7.jpg

Salwator City apartments

http://images27.fotosik.pl/303/76611a294bcc9b5f.jpg

http://images46.fotosik.pl/40/1d9c49002bb01823.jpg

Krakow - Tarnow motorway

http://images6.fotosik.pl/352/d4c6fc141c0a504a.jpg

http://images6.fotosik.pl/352/0c5150999efcc027.jpg

http://images6.fotosik.pl/352/4f6781200d002bba.jpg

Katowice

current look of the Katowice train station (that would be the main train station in case Chorzow would host some of the Euro 2012 games)

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u30/senseless2801/134.jpg

new project :cheers:

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/7/6031/z6031697X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/6/6036/z6036056X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/9/6036/z6036059X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/5/6036/z6036055X.jpg

Hotel Angelo

http://lh6.ggpht.com/NomaDFH/SQeO2vuwqUI/AAAAAAAAI8U/RFHSW_xGgH8/s800/IMG_8228_850.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2527/angelo1021zw1.jpg

Revitalization of the city center

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/odbiciepalmy/DSC00011.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z114/Bula8/ul%20Mariacka/13lipiec2008/Mariacka4.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/NomaDFH/SPSebaMFZXI/AAAAAAAAHow/8jZH7bSl9QY/s800/IMG_7625_850.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/NomaDFH/SPSehFLnvTI/AAAAAAAAHpg/6Li1F-P1nYE/s800/IMG_7644_850.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff134/1000city/m2.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff134/1000city/m8.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/NomaDFH/SO1O3VnljCI/AAAAAAAAHh4/EwY-H-CgyDA/s800/IMG_7519_850.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z114/Bula8/ul%20Starowiejska/10sierpien2008/Starowiejska06.jpg

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb166/mechanofaktura/DSCF6489.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z114/Bula8/ul%20Krzywa/24czerwiec2008/IMG_0005.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z114/Bula8/ul%20Krzywa/24czerwiec2008/IMG_0017.jpg

Katowice - visions of the new city center

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/koniaczeq/4-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/koniaczeq/3-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/koniaczeq/2-2.jpg

Pyrzowice (near Katowice) - Gorzyczki A1 motorway

http://images33.fotosik.pl/424/542aaab7cd852353.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z114/Bula8/A1/15grudzien2008/A103.jpg

http://images32.fotosik.pl/418/b69d9d2b74a3d2c2.jpg

Drogowa Trasa Srednicowa (Upper Silesia Aglomeration Highway)

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/5493/dtsrondodzienwo4.jpg

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2628/dtssscdziennr9.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/2v0n7z7.jpg

http://i37.tinypic.com/2prtq8j.jpg

Silesia Regional Rapid Train

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/7516/hpim3858np3.jpg

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/858/hpim3834fn7.jpg

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3840/hpim3860zr9.jpg

Chorzow

Chorzow's amusement park's new attractions (important facility for Euro 2012 fans ;) )

http://img.naszemiasto.pl/grafika2/nowy/50/40_888122_1_d_3772.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/6/5645/z5645736X.jpg

http://mojchorzow.pl/obrazki/cms/384979.obrazki.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/0/4243/z4243170Z.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/0/4243/z4243140X.jpg

Polish Railways examples of new trains :

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/1356/dso183601is4.jpg

http://images26.fotosik.pl/19/855c71b6aa809848.jpg

http://www.gmfk.pl/cpg144/albums/userpics/10935/PIC09694.jpg

http://www.tutej.pl/pliki/cms/5322/szynobus2.jpg

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1122/img1252sh2.jpg

http://www.fotokolej.pl/data/media/211/ETR150.JPG

http://news.komunikacja.krakow.pl/img/20080269.jpg

Examples of train stations' revitalization from other cities around Poland:

Szczecin

before

http://images27.fotosik.pl/47/5dc0cd8d55a072c6.jpg

http://images25.fotosik.pl/46/c8a484faca794de9.jpg

now

http://images23.fotosik.pl/46/956f1aff6b986109.jpg

http://images27.fotosik.pl/47/80357d59f643c424.jpg

http://images24.fotosik.pl/50/68afa3771eefd58e.jpg

http://images23.fotosik.pl/134/fcdf769681c8b000.jpg

http://images34.fotosik.pl/96/4d5c3b9dee3f5058.jpg

http://images24.fotosik.pl/46/16caa5663b5661e2.jpg

Lublin train station - revitalized some time ago

http://www.kolej.lublin.joomlaserwer.com/dworzec.jpg

http://miasta.gazeta.pl/im/8/5612/z5612888X.jpg

Bialystok

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/martinextrapl/IMAG0001.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/9/5615/z5615539X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/5615/z5615543X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/5/5615/z5615545X.jpg

Skierniewice (near Warsaw)

http://www.kolej.one.pl/foto/38/1119282888.jpg

http://www.kolej.one.pl/foto/38/1119282311.jpg

Bedzin - Upper Silesia Agglomeration

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/5552/z5552313X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/2/5552/z5552312X.jpg

http://bedzin.cmdok.dt.pl/upload_i//b/inne/noc_Borkowscy_fonatanna_plac.jpg

Sosnowiec - Upper Silesia Agglomeration

http://images4.fotosik.pl/213/276d4de381e925a9.jpg

http://images1.fotosik.pl/258/4b6a1a28a33685c3.jpg

http://images4.fotosik.pl/214/39057c6790a2aa26.jpg

Ruda Slaska - Upper Silesia Agglomeration

http://www.gosilesia.pl/szt/photos/13/1.jpg

http://www.gosilesia.pl/szt/photos/13/2.jpg

at the end one of my favorite train stations in Poland - Wroclaw - aerial photo

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/39/39232.jpg

DocentX

December 21st, 2008, 11:41 PM

Although from relatives traveling through Warsaw to Canada I have heard nothing but criticisms. They say the airport only looks nice but inside its confusing and poorly organized.

I was travelling many times from the new terminal and in my personal opinion it's very elegant, comforable and good organized. The only poor element is the old terminal 1 which is poorly connected with the new one - this mess might be some times problematic.

wholagun

December 21st, 2008, 11:42 PM

In Poland which are of infrastructure is most behind in its preparations for Euro 2012?

In posting pics let's not flood this thread with just city revitalization. Let's stick to Euro related stuff.

DJRexxx

December 21st, 2008, 11:47 PM

In Poland which are of infrastructure is most behind in its preparations for Euro 2012?

Definitively - Highway

wholagun

December 21st, 2008, 11:55 PM

Definitively - Highway

worse then railways?

DJRexxx

December 22nd, 2008, 12:01 AM

We have the railways already . Just only to renovate it. But we don't have enough highways and thats the biggest Polish problem before E2012.

wholagun

December 22nd, 2008, 12:06 AM

We have the railways already . Just only to renovate it. But we don't have enough highways and thats the biggest Polish problem before E2012.

I doubt ppl will be driving in to watch the games. I would assume that majority will fly in and take the train into Poland.

paku

December 22nd, 2008, 12:12 AM

Devon has been banned <yupi> :D

Big thanks for one of Polish moderators

Finally. That idiot was getting on my nerves.

ruslan33

December 22nd, 2008, 12:20 AM

^amazing construction work going on in polish cities and on polish roads !

krzysiu_

December 22nd, 2008, 12:42 AM

We have the railways already . :D:D:D

But yeah, main railways are modernizing atm E-20, E-30, E-65...Also:

High Speed Rail will invade Poland by 2020

Polish Government recently announced that the country will have its first high-speed rail line by 2020. The announcement was made during a French-Polish conference about intercity and urban rail transport. Infrastructures Minister Cezary Grabarczyk declared that this first project would link the cities of Warsaw, Poznan, and Wroclaw (west of the country). A high-speed rail line between the capital city and both western cities could, in theory, cut journey times by more than half.
€8 billion project, around 500 kilometres of tracks

The proposal will be submitted to the whole Polish Government early 3Q 2008, in order to launch the feasability studies. The Infrastructures Ministry plans to finish the preliminary studies by 2010. The Government aims to begin construction by 2014 and complete it in 2019, to start operation by 2020.

The project is evaluated at €8 billion (€6 to €7 billion for construction, and €1 billion for rolling stock), and the proposed Y-shaped-corridor has a main branch from Warsaw to Lodz, and two distinct legs going to Poznan and Wroclaw, respectively at 330 kilometres and 345 kilometres from Warsaw. With 35 trainsets running on the tracks, Minister Grabarczyk expects the trips to last around 1h30 while they are presently around 5h30 and 3h00 ! Also, what the Polish Government wants, is to link the network to the European already efficient high-speed rail network.

Poland will be inviting bids for the rolling stock but Minister Grabarczyk definitely showed his preference for the new 360-kph-French Alstom AGV (entering service in Italy in 2011), even saying that “The AGV doesn’t seem to have any competition.”
PKP PLK is preparing the studies’ documentation

Since a couple months now, PKP PLK, the Polish State Railways subsidiary that manages the railway infrastructure (equivalent of Réseau Ferré de France, in France), is already preparing the feasibility study on the proposed high speed rail corridor.

More than just cutting travel times, PKP PLK agrees that the high-speed railway will improve passenger safety, and minimise the environmental impact. PKP PLK also expects the high-speed rail project to increase the rail modal share in passenger transport in Poland.

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What about roads...There's quite alot of u/c highways/autobahns atm...And now what Poland needs most is time, time to make up all these years of idleness in road construcing...I think in 2012/13 situation will be muuuuuch better, similar to other west european countries...

adas22

December 22nd, 2008, 07:08 AM

New Metro stations in Warsaw

http://images39.fotosik.pl/41/d0dfdfb87eb2671a.jpg
http://images25.fotosik.pl/304/a41656019181d3ef.jpg
http://images28.fotosik.pl/305/37219795caa3f926.jpg
http://images31.fotosik.pl/421/b7fdd5955df83de0.jpg
http://images47.fotosik.pl/41/c2e02452ac95f941.jpg
http://images43.fotosik.pl/41/da17c229d4148ed5.jpg
http://images42.fotosik.pl/41/92cdac8d1526db9c.jpg
http://images49.fotosik.pl/41/09eea6c6b0d90ab9.jpg
http://images36.fotosik.pl/41/2975a241ec53b9f6.jpg
http://images26.fotosik.pl/305/625603704c86401b.jpg
http://images34.fotosik.pl/420/423fd98cd2d5e54d.jpg

Jasix

December 22nd, 2008, 08:43 AM

Devon has been banned <yupi> :D

Big thanks for one of Polish moderators

Hell Yeah :banana: any positive news from Ukraine, please?

Cracovia

December 22nd, 2008, 01:29 PM

Brilliant update guys...Im at my grandmas for xmass, no internet there so only have an hour or so every few days to check whats happening, keep up the good work.

December 22nd, 2008, 02:29 PM

this is a Hotel * * *, not new office building.

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/5666/img06294569904xq4.jpg

Triceratops

December 22nd, 2008, 06:50 PM

@DocentX, thanks for such magnificent post, but please keep more to the Euro preparation works, which don't include construction of appartment buildings, revetalizations and other pretty stuff that won't influence the preparations. Anyway, Poland is the biggest construction site in Europe and at least there's no doubt Euro will be held in Poland! :) Though I really believe Ukraine will make it as well and soon we'll see similar development pics from there! :cheers:

PiesNaKomuchow

December 22nd, 2008, 06:52 PM

this is a Hotel * * *, not new office building.

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/5666/img06294569904xq4.jpg it doesnt matter, because its ugly anyway... :ohno: what a shit....

wholagun

December 22nd, 2008, 06:59 PM

looks like vandals with spy paint haven't gotten to the metro yet - lets hope it stays that way. I hate it when those little shitheads spay paint their names onto buildings or walls

Iluminat

December 22nd, 2008, 08:58 PM

looks like vandals with spy paint haven't gotten to the metro yet - lets hope it stays that way. I hate it when those little shitheads spay paint their names onto buildings or walls

They are big problem here:ohno: but luckily metro is still graffiti free

it doesnt matter, because its ugly anyway... :ohno: what a shit....

Actually it's one of the more interesting buildings in Poland at the moment

rakim

December 23rd, 2008, 08:20 AM

A4 Zgorzelec - Krzyżowa U/C

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/images/map1.jpg

Wiadukt łącznica Zgorzelec -Olszyna
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6885/dsc0048hf7.jpg

widok na wezęł z wiaduktu kierunek Zgorzelec -Olszyna
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6519/dsc0049ee3.jpg

jeszcze raz kontrowersyjny rozjazd
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6240/dsc0050qf9.jpg

widok w kierunku Legnicy :)
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6352/dsc0051jy1.jpg

kolejna fota rozjadu
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/4421/dsc0052in7.jpg

widok w kierunku Zgorzelca
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1623/dsc0053bl4.jpg

widok kierunek Olszyna
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/9610/dsc0054xq2.jpg

Jasix

December 23rd, 2008, 11:25 AM

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4299/dsc4522034ek9.jpg

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/6708/dsc4569081lb0.jpg

Greetings from Lubin :)

Tomasz M. Bladyniec

December 23rd, 2008, 12:09 PM

Warsaw Metro is well known as the place very well preserved from graffitti. If anything appears, it is removed in few hours. It is always shown as example for other Polish public institutions. They really care about cleaning and safety.

PiesNaKomuchow

December 23rd, 2008, 12:09 PM

Actually it's one of the more interesting buildings in Poland at the moment
Gustibus non disputandum est, but i dont know what interesting do you see in this crap:)

Triceratops

December 23rd, 2008, 12:46 PM

Truly to say, watching all that pictures, I didn't find the building you are arguing about crappy - there are many much worse structures all around Poland!

krzysiu_

December 23rd, 2008, 12:52 PM

Like you know something about it... :nuts:

adas22

December 23rd, 2008, 04:37 PM

S11 New Expressway, pics by Kzo

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1963/dsc2206wm4.jpg
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Triceratops

December 23rd, 2008, 05:03 PM

One thing, which is not lagging behind the scedule in Poland, I think, is road improvement! Way to go Poland! :cheers: At least you'll have good roads for the tournament! :banana:

adas22

December 23rd, 2008, 05:05 PM

not only roads, the country is one big construction site (we can barely use all money we have), hotels, motels are popping everywhere.

wholagun

December 23rd, 2008, 06:56 PM

not only roads, the country is one big construction site (we can barely use all money we have), hotels, motels are popping everywhere.

use it or lose it. euros for improving infrastructure are godsend during this global economic recession

rakim

December 23rd, 2008, 07:10 PM

S3 expressway (Szczecin - Gorzów Wlkp.):

by dymals:

http://images32.fotosik.pl/420/63b2f3d1b7542890.jpg

http://images38.fotosik.pl/41/2c829561237044ec.jpg

bu Imir:

http://s1.fothost.pl/upload/08/51/ae38127c.jpg

http://s1.fothost.pl/upload/08/51/b7b35543.jpg

http://s1.fothost.pl/upload/08/51/7533e729.jpg

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http://s1.fothost.pl/upload/08/51/117d6eef.jpg

http://s1.fothost.pl/upload/08/51/1df0667c.jpg

krzysiu_

December 23rd, 2008, 07:23 PM

One thing, which is not lagging behind the scedule in Poland, I think, is road improvement! Way to go Poland! :cheers: At least you'll have good roads for the tournament! :banana:Show me one thing which is lagging apart from polish government. I can hardly find one...Please, do not talk about things you don't know, ok? With all those stadiums which are now u/c or construtions start in 2009, will have one of the best sport inf. in EU, not to mention Poland had one of the poorest sport inf. in EU...

paku

December 23rd, 2008, 08:11 PM

If the government manages to spend those €5 billion of EU funds in 2009 on infrastructure only as it plans, it would actually contribute 1 percentage point of GDP growth within a single year. EU money is truly a blessing in these difficult times.

golov

December 23rd, 2008, 08:12 PM

Some nice looking infrastructure :okay:

Triceratops

December 23rd, 2008, 09:55 PM

With all those stadiums which are now u/c or construtions start in 2009, will have one of the best sport inf. in EU, not to mention Poland had one of the poorest sport inf. in EU...

Ok, agreed! Poland is the best developing country in Europe! That's what you wanted to hear? Despite the fact that the most European (ok, mainly WestEur) countries were developed so already a long time ago, you are proving that having built everything from zero you will become a country with the best sport infrastructure in Europe? I doubt it. Yeah, you might get that status, but maybe only because WestEur countries simply don't have land to build something any more. Just look what they had, let's say 50 years ago, and compare it to what had Poland at that time! ;)

Ahmadinejad_POL

December 23rd, 2008, 11:00 PM

i didn't know at first that you are so dumb... we won that championschip just one year ago and you think that by now there should be new stadiums ? everything is all right.. there were tenders, projects were prepared, the land is now beeing cleared... building a stadium is not so difficult as constructing a new st. peter's cathedral in rome or 1000 metres building in dubay- a stadium is just grass and seats. it wont take more time than 18 months. motorways are buing constructed, around 1000 km of railways is beeing upgraded to 200 km/h. it's all polish forum is about. you are not a visitor to it but you say such stupidity " there is nothing going on" that gets on nerves of many people.

krzysiu_

December 24th, 2008, 12:16 AM

Yep, he's dumb or he can't read...I can't find a country in EU which now/in the near future (2009) have more stadiums u/c. Ofc England, Germany, Spain might have better sport inf. even after... let's say 2012, what all those stadium will be built, but I didn't say best, but one of the best, + Italy/France.

paku

December 24th, 2008, 01:11 AM

Why are you being so uptight with Triceratops, both of you? Does your life depend on shitting through your ears?

new perspective on Wroclaw stadium
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/6008/z6008393X.jpg

wholagun

December 24th, 2008, 01:17 AM

sports infrastructure is more then just stadiums, and Poland will by far not be one of the best

slodziaq_ns

December 24th, 2008, 01:40 AM

One thing, which is not lagging behind the scedule in Poland, I think, is road improvement! Way to go Poland! :cheers: At least you'll have good roads for the tournament! :banana:

Show me one thing which is lagging apart from polish government.

I`m still waiting for Triceratops`s answer if he has some arguments to confirm own thesis. Because I also can`t see any lags in our preparations to Euro 2012, everything is like UEFA`s schedule say to us. So..? ;)

Despite the fact that the most European (ok, mainly WestEur) countries were developed so already a long time ago, you are proving that having built everything from zero you will become a country with the best sport infrastructure in Europe? I doubt it.

Yep, he`s right - of course we`ll probably have ONE OF THE best sport`s infrastructure in Europe. Especially that our Minister of Sports announced ministerial project which concerned financial help from ministry for cities which have club in the highest polish league (Orange Ekstraklasa) and which want to build new, modern stadium - they`ll probably get to almost 50% funding from treasury. If you want some next details which are proving this opinion, here you are:

All inevitable modern polish stadiums before 2012/2013:

- Warszawa; Stadion Narodowz (capacity: 55.920)
- Chorzów; Stadion Śląski (capacity: 55.211)
- Poznań; Stadion Miejski (capacity: 45.830)
- Wrocław; Stadion Śląska (capacity: 44.000)
- Gdańsk; Baltic Arena? (capacity: 41.000)
- Warszawa; Stadion Legii (capacity: 34.500)
- Kraków; Stadion Wisły (capacity: 33.000)
- Zabrze; Stadion Górnika (capacity: 31.000)
- Białystok; Stadion Miejski (capacity: 22.500)
- Bydgoszcz; Stadion Miejski (capacity: 20.247)
- Łódź; Stadion Widzewa (capacity: 19.500)
- Lubin; Stadion Zagłębia (capacity: 16.300)
- Kielce; Stadion Korony (capacity: 15.500)
- Kraków; Stadion Cracovii (capacity: 15.000)
- Bielsko-Biala; Stadion Miejski (capacity: 15.000)
- Gdynia; Stadion Arki (capacity: 15.000)

Also Szczecin and Łódź are planning a new stadiums about 30.000 capacity and cities like Tychy, Gliwice, Lublin, Wodzisław Śląski, Chorzów or Rzeszów have smimilar plans, but with a little lesser capacity.

And probable state of polish sports halls before 2014 (Volleyball WC) will be look similar as below list (only these with capacity over 10.000):

- Warsaw (capacity 20.000)
- Krakow (capacity: 15.000)
- Poznan? (capacity: 15.000)
- Gliwice (capacity: 14.000)
- Gdańsk (capacity: 14.000)
- Łódź (capacity: 14.000)
- Katowice (capacity: 12.000)
- Wrocław (capacity: 12.000)

...and a couple of lesser sports halls or probably even more than several.

Yeah, you might get that status, but maybe only because WestEur countries simply don't have land to build something any more.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just look what they had, let's say 50 years ago, and compare it to what had Poland at that time! ;)

Hmm? Who was forbidding our West European friends wait for 2008 and then build a new infrastructure? I can`t catch your point...:nuts:

krzysiu_

December 24th, 2008, 10:14 AM

sports infrastructure is more then just stadiums, and Poland will by far not be one of the bestLooks like facts are not ehough to say that? Show some other countries with better sport. infr. in ~2012 apart from those 3-5 courties mentioned above...

DJRexxx

December 24th, 2008, 10:36 AM

Krzysiu tez masz jakieś kompleksy ??:|

rakim

December 24th, 2008, 11:10 AM

A4 Kraków - Tarnów:

Fotorelacja z budowy A4
14.12.2008

http://images6.fotosik.pl/352/8a5fc48eac9a6405.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)

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http://images6.fotosik.pl/352/e1098515f7f95337.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)

trzy fotki z WD-03

http://images6.fotosik.pl/352/6895d82d27928df7.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)

http://images6.fotosik.pl/352/de715262f5d33297.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)

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cztery fotki z WD-04

http://images6.fotosik.pl/352/6a810e70ea4d758f.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)

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http://images6.fotosik.pl/352/d90f163a10163478.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)

DJRexxx

December 24th, 2008, 11:12 AM

http://images43.fotosik.pl/23/6a3e945ef59de241.jpg

begbie

December 24th, 2008, 11:15 AM

Ok, agreed! Poland is the best developing country in Europe! That's what you wanted to hear? Despite the fact that the most European (ok, mainly WestEur) countries were developed so already a long time ago, you are proving that having built everything from zero you will become a country with the best sport infrastructure in Europe? I doubt it. Yeah, you might get that status, but maybe only because WestEur countries simply don't have land to build something any more. Just look what they had, let's say 50 years ago, and compare it to what had Poland at that time! ;)

:lol::lol::lol:

i must to say you are the best specialist in this thread, and your point of view is very original

rakim

December 24th, 2008, 11:26 AM

Opened in October A1 between Gdańsk and Grudziądz:

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/1361/pict0206zb1.jpg

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asotUA

December 24th, 2008, 11:40 AM

^^NICE! Keep up the good work, brothers:)

Jasix

December 24th, 2008, 12:43 PM

Marry Christmas and a Happy 2009 Year World! Cheers :cheers: Next year in Poland will be amazing :banana:

krzysiu_

December 24th, 2008, 12:45 PM

^ Maybe it's time for some UA. updates?

rakim

December 24th, 2008, 01:04 PM

^^NICE! Keep up the good work, brothers:)

Thanks!

Marry Christmas and a Happy 2009 Year World! Cheers :cheers: Next year in Poland will be amazing :banana:

Not so amazing with this global crisis.

rakim

December 24th, 2008, 01:38 PM

modernization of railway lines:

E-65 Gdynia - Gdańsk - Warszawa:

by Marchewa1003:

http://i37.tinypic.com/1586tkp.jpg

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Łódź - Warszawa :

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Triceratops

December 24th, 2008, 05:05 PM

PiesNaKomuchow

December 24th, 2008, 06:42 PM

^^ 1. German GDP is about 6x bigger than Polish...
2. They had Marshall's Plan....
3. They are in European Union for decades...
4. They hadn't got communism for 45 years... (in DDR they had - ok - but since 20 years West Ger. put such enormous help to former DDR, we can only dream about)
5. And simply - They always were richer country... before war too - they were startnig from higher level... so its normal...
Now we're chasing them in our country developmen, of course we should and we could do it faster, (im sad because we dont do that so quick, and i think majority of Poles too - belive me) but we're doing ours best...
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

slodziaq_ns

December 24th, 2008, 09:22 PM

@krzysiu, slodziaq ns, what I wanted to say is that of course everyone here uderstands that Poland at the moment is just a big perspective construction site, but the problem is that eveything what is u/c, is new

??? :lol:

it's pity that Polish government started to think about whole country's development so late, they should have begun developing infrastructure a long time ago, instead of doing everything right now, when the championships are at hand to start!

I don`t want to pull further this OT, but when our government should start on big scale infrastructural boom? We are in EU only four years, so now it`s time to such works. Of course our government could begin it several years earlier without EU help, but in 1989 and next years we were in economic collapse after communism...So it wasn`t good time to build some great infrastructure, Poland had bigger problems to solve. Also I don`t want to prove that our country will be European power or something like that, we`re developing and chasing Western Europe quite fast, but still Poland has many many and many things to overtake them...Anyway the whole this discussion (and bigger part of your answer) doesn`t concern the topics about which we were talking earlier. Because I wrote my opinions there in response to your below sentences:

One thing, which is not lagging behind the scedule in Poland, I think, is road improvement! Way to go Poland! :cheers: At least you'll have good roads for the tournament! :banana:

Despite the fact that the most European (ok, mainly WestEur) countries were developed so already a long time ago, you are proving that having built everything from zero you will become a country with the best sport infrastructure in Europe? I doubt it.

"At least", "One thing"...still I can`t find any arguments to confirm your opinion ;) Dude, we have almost 4 YEARS to BUILD (everything is PREPARED TO BUILDING now) all requirements in high standard. So where Poland is lagging own preparations? I want only hard facts from you which you can confirm through UEFA schedule.

Also I gave you some arguments for opinion that "Poland after 2012 will have one of the best sports infrastructure in Europe", because it hard fact (I forgot about our other sport infrastructure like swimming pools and for example hall which is intended for track cycling). I don`t know why you are still using the argument that WE countries built own sports infrastructure earlier so we can`t compare our country with rest of our european friends ;) You passed round my questions and you said something which doesn`t concern them. I don`t want to prove that "whaa! Poland is great, fantastic and the best on the world in everything" like my friends at discussion about "comparison" Polish and Ukrainian preparations - because for me it`s only curing own national inferiority complexes through this fourm. I only want explain two your above opinions with which I can`t agree. So as I said I gave you facts which are proving my view for these things and I`m still waiting for the same from you.

Merry Christmas for everybody! ;)