EURO 2012: Poland and Ukraine Stadia and Infrastructure [Archive] - Page 7

Nate

January 2nd, 2009, 04:50 PM

Guys, can someone from Ukraine approximately confirm which cities are most probable to host the tournament, I mean the ones where they are really making investitions in infrastracture and other sorts of preparations, that go on at the moment ? :)

From looking at the Ukrainian section, it seems that Kyiv, Dnipropetrovsk, and Donetsk are doing the most so far. Kharkiv is also doing quite well (considering their stadium is almost finished renovations), Odessa too has started renovating their stadium, and Lviv is now starting to build its stadium. I know there are some pretty big plans for both the Kyiv and Donetsk airports, not sure how far along in the process they are though.

But as of now I'd say most likely Ukraine will have Kyiv, Dnipropetrovsk, and Donetsk as host cities, with the other position being a toss up between Lviv, Kharkiv, and Odessa. Lviv probably has a bit of an advantage over the other two though as it was one of the original bid cities and also Ukraine probably would want to have it included as it could be a good showcase for the country to pick up the tourism business since there have been many renovations to the old town.

In terms of city infrastructure, I believe Kyiv, Dnipro, and Donetsk are pushing the metro/subway developments the most at this point.

I think once all of the stadiums are in full swing (Kyiv, Lviv, Odessa) we'll probably start to hear more news.

I guess part of the lack of information in comparison to Poland is just the sheer number of forumers. Many of the Ukrainian forumers don't actually live in Ukraine, and the amount that do pales in comparison to the amount of Polish forumers in SSC.

Marek_VF

January 2nd, 2009, 05:07 PM

In terms of city infrastructure, I believe Kyiv, Dnipro, and Donetsk are pushing the metro/subway developments the most at this point.

As far as I know they won't build metro in Donetsk:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=28031484&postcount=45

http://donetsk.mycityua.com/upload/donetsk/2008/11/14/.jpg

polskadan

January 2nd, 2009, 07:03 PM

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=431368&page=27

dziekuje :banana:

Triceratops

January 2nd, 2009, 07:48 PM

no!!! how could they??!! Donetsk without metro for Euro??! that just wpuld be impossible to handle over without such gigintic stream for that time!! what a pity..!! :ohno:

ruslan33

January 2nd, 2009, 10:39 PM

You know you got a very weird sense of humor especially when it comes to infrastructure!..:weird:
At least my country has some good roads comparing to your unknown providence of Ahuyazia!

Around "Grozny" or Moscow OR those still standing soviet ones from those days somewhere in the middle of nowhere?:hilarious

Nate, I'm with you 100% on US/Canada highways! See those myself everyday. He is just an asshole who has never been to US or Canada before in his life, that's why he needs to prove that he is always right at all the times.:nuts:

You must be the biggest Monkey in your town. Please don't show us your stupidity.

Crashbarriers are not that expensive and your country has got many in and around kiyv.Crashbarriers are not needed everywhere but there are roads and highways in Ukraine which should have crashbarriers in their place.

As you know Ukrainian steel industry is in deepshit and building more crashbarriers would not be a bad idea to support you steel industry right now ;)

asotUA

January 2nd, 2009, 10:59 PM

Please don't show us your stupidity.
You are not ones of us, now fuck outta here troll!;)

no!!! how could they??!! Donetsk without metro for Euro??! that just would be impossible to handle over without such gigintic stream for that time!! what a pity..!!

Oh well, I'm sure they knew already before even these news that it would be impossible to build a metro in such big city. Plus I don't think they would want to build some short lane going back and forth just to show the visitors that Donetsk got a metro even though its so short, so I think that would be a stupid idea. If building a metro build it that it would make sence. Around 2 years ago they had the same crazy idea about building a metro in Odesa and even Lviv but Lviv idea was off the list right away because most of the downtown is old and who knows after that subway runs couple times back and forth, all those historical looking building would be going pieces by pieces.
I think 3 Cities is just enough for now. Its about time all 3 of them or at least Kyiv gets 21 century cars and get rig of those soviet looking ones, but I know that even Prague and Budapest still got those same ones and Warsaw if Im not mistaking. So I guess we aint that bad as it seems.:lol:

ruslan33

January 2nd, 2009, 11:09 PM

You are not ones of us, now fuck outta here troll!;)

Is that a new argument by you dima ? troll ?

You know I wish the best luck for Ukraine in 2012, but i just don't think you will make it guys because of the current bad political and economic situation in Ukraine,only god knows and we should wait.

krzysiu_

January 2nd, 2009, 11:44 PM

I saw an iview with some polish guy who is responsible for contacts with uefa, and he said that an official logo and mascot should be announced in the next couple of months, and that the biggest companies in europe are working on it atm.

ruslan33

January 3rd, 2009, 12:07 AM

asotUA

January 3rd, 2009, 05:15 AM

You know I wish the best luck for Ukraine in 2012
Please....we heard thats before.:lol:...and how about in 2013 and then '14 and should I keep on going? you wish nothing for us BUT I gotta tell you something, you are VERY obsessed with "Bandera gang"...on such posts that I don't even waste time looking at because it seriously getting no where:nuts:

I saw an iview with some polish guy who is responsible for contacts with uefa, and he said that an official logo and mascot should be announced in the next couple of months, and that the biggest companies in europe are working on it atm.

Official logo of what? new PL Football Association?

6opuC

January 3rd, 2009, 05:25 AM

noup. Euro 2012 Mascot & Logo...

asotUA

January 3rd, 2009, 07:35 AM

Thanks, but why would they get a new one? I though the one with the ball and PL-UA flags is the official..?..I think it looks great.

6opuC

January 3rd, 2009, 12:02 PM

yep me too. I think Logo is OK ... but we still dont'have official mascot.

krzysiu_

January 3rd, 2009, 12:20 PM

This is NOT an official logo ffs. It was made only for a bid. You think it's good only because it's everywhere (tv/internet etc) in Pol. and Ukr., and people (at least polish and ukrains) can easily recognise it. Uefa is responsible for the logo & mascot...

Triceratops

January 3rd, 2009, 07:03 PM

I am both hands for changing that ugly, old and cheap logo!! Hope they will invent something really awesome, not similar to the existing, sort of communistic one!

krzysiu_

January 3rd, 2009, 07:52 PM

This is only your opinion...but...look at mascot of e2008, it's f...n PATHETIC! Good idea would be to create couple logos and let people choose.

Cracovia

January 4th, 2009, 05:18 PM

no!!! how could they??!! Donetsk without metro for Euro??! that just wpuld be impossible to handle over without such gigintic stream for that time!! what a pity..!! :ohno:

Warsaw most probably wont have the second line either

Jasix

January 4th, 2009, 06:01 PM

Ministry of Insfrastructure of Poland has shown some plans about polish roads in 2012, I hope it's still actual because it's on ministry's website.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3551/94472189rd9.jpg

Polish Express Roads, February 2008 - 317 km in 2012 - 2418 km :cheers:

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/8800/55545626qf2.jpg

Polish Highways, February 2008 - 699 km, in 2012 - 1605 km

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5589/15906658wx6.jpg

Polish roads in 2012 :banana:

krzysiu_

January 4th, 2009, 06:20 PM

Warsaw most probably wont have the second line eitherThey will but not all stations tho, whole 2nd line should be ready till 2013, so during e2012 it will be still U/C :( Probably only main part will be completed and available for people.

With almost 2000kms of autobahns and much more of expressways traveling around Poland during e2012 shouldn't be a problem imo. Looks very good tho. What's the most important for me that these all plans are realizing.

Cracovia

January 4th, 2009, 06:33 PM

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5589/15906658wx6.jpg

Polish roads in 2012 :banana:

If that is the case i will break a bottle of Vodka on my head, I believe the A roads will be done, but all the S roads no fucking chance

krzysiu_

January 4th, 2009, 06:37 PM

But still S-8 should be A-8 but it looks good imo. And I think most of those plans will be completed till 2012. So preper your head ;)

Triceratops

January 4th, 2009, 06:44 PM

Wow Poland rocks!! Way to go!! Glad that finally it would be good to go through the country! :banana:

Jasix

January 4th, 2009, 06:44 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Tabliczka_S7.svg/60px-Tabliczka_S7.svg.png

Express Road S7 in Poland:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S7.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S7.svg.png

Planned: 720 km
Built: 105 km
In building: circa 50 km

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/12092075.jpg

Somewhere on S7 - welcome to Poland! :banana:

wholagun

January 4th, 2009, 07:46 PM

2 lanes for Poland is too small there should be 3

J@nek

January 4th, 2009, 08:04 PM

If all these roads are built in Poland until 2012, the nations will surely be unrecognizable!!!! I believe in them, Tusk and PO have no other choice but to makes this road infrastructure project reality; its a promise on their behalf to the population, and if they fail to accomplish this, they will not be successful in the next elections.
I believe in Tusk, and I believe that Poland will be a nation of modern infrastructure in the year 2012:cheers:

Jasix

January 4th, 2009, 08:23 PM

"32 mld zł na autostrady i drogi ekspresowe w 2009 roku" GAZETA PRAWNA

Generalna Dyrekcja Dróg Krajowych i Autostrad ma w tym roku do wydania o 30 proc. pieniędzy więcej niż w poprzednim. W 2008 roku urzędowi nie udało się jednak zakontraktować co czwartego miliarda.
Nigdy wcześniej drogowcy nie dysponowali podobnym budżetem. Na budowę nowych dróg Generalna Dyrekcja Dróg Krajowych i Autostrad (GDDKiA) otrzymała z budżetu centralnego i środków unijnych 32 mld zł. Ten rok będzie więc bardzo pracowity. GDDKiA zapewnia, że tylko do czerwca ogłoszonych zostanie 31 największych przetargów na autostrady, drogi ekspresowe i obwodnice.

GDDKiA rozpocznie poszukiwania wykonawców m.in. dla dwóch fragmentów autostrady A4 (obwodnicy Rzeszowa i 35-kilometrowego odcinka trasy z Jarosławia do granicy z Ukrainą) oraz A18 (69-kilometrowa trasa z Olszyny do Golnic, gdzie droga spotka się z autostradą A4). W sumie do grudnia 2009 r. ma się rozpocząć ponad 180 postępowań na wybór wykonawców nowych inwestycji i odnowę już istniejących. Remont ponad 450 km dróg ma kosztować 1,5 mld zł.

W pierwszym kwartale tego roku powinniśmy też wreszcie poznać wykonawców budowy 270 km autostrad w ramach partnerstwa publiczno-prywatnego: A1 z podłódzkiego Strykowa do śląskich Pyrzowic (ok. 180 km) oraz A2 ze Strykowa do podwarszawskiej Konotopa (ok. 90 km) - to ostatni przed stolicą odcinek autostrady. Na parafowaniu obu umów jeszcze w grudniu 2008 r. bardzo zależało ministrowi infrastruktury Cezaremu Grabarczykowi, ale z powodu kłopotów z finansowaniem inwestycji przez komercyjne banki rozmowy wciąż trwają.

Niestety w przypadku Generalnej Dyrekcji wcale nie jest pewne, że uda się wydać wszystkie środki. W ubiegłym roku z ponad 21 mld zł w kasie urzędu zostało przeszło 5 mld zł. - W wielu przypadkach musieliśmy uzupełniać dokumentacje, co odsuwało rozpoczęcie prac nawet o rok - tłumaczy Lech Witecki z GDDKiA. To też jedna z przyczyn zaktualizowania rządowego planu budowy dróg krajowych i autostrad na Euro 2012.

Do czasu mistrzostw powstanie 2,1 tys. autostrad i tras ekspresowych, a nie jak zakładano wcześniej - 3 tys. km. Ok. 900 km dopiero ma być w trakcie budowy. Wojciech Malusi, prezes Ogólnopolskiej Izby Gospodarczej Drogownictwa, wątpi, czy rządowej agencji uda się spożytkować wszystkie środki.

- W tym roku Generalnej Dyrekcji nie uda się wydać kwoty dwukrotnie wyższej niż w ubiegłym roku, jeżeli nie zostaną wprowadzone pewne zmiany - mówi Wojciech Malusi. Chodzi m.in. o wzmocnienie pozycji generalnego dyrektora, który według Malusiego powinien być co najmniej pełnomocnikiem premiera w randze podsekretarza stanu.

Could somebody translate this into English, please? I think it's pretty important information :) Unfortunately I'm not so fluent in English ;)

Nikodem

January 4th, 2009, 08:44 PM

I agree with @Cracovia. Motorways have chance to be built as planned, but expressways do not.
Anyway, the period 2007-2014 would be extremely successful for polish road infrastructure. Many kms are being built or will be built only because of EURO 2012. If not E12, we would have to wait long years for such "road-boom'' in Polska.

@Cracovia - if this plan will be complited, let me be the one who will dry your wodka bottle :)

Jasix

January 4th, 2009, 08:58 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Tabliczka_S8.svg/60px-Tabliczka_S8.svg.png

Express Road S8

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S8.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S8.svg.png

Planned: 680 km
Built: 35 km
In building: circa 29 km

http://images43.fotosik.pl/29/2bca173efc6269dd.jpg

http://images49.fotosik.pl/29/4a6539a52b4496ca.jpg

http://images34.fotosik.pl/397/bc03c35bbdfc8c1c.jpg

http://images46.fotosik.pl/30/b3237c76012d9d75.jpg

http://images34.fotosik.pl/399/6ff474ac6aa06104.jpg

:cheers:

And built part:

http://images31.fotosik.pl/428/121cb1ff40a10acfmed.jpg

http://images32.fotosik.pl/427/7a235c656a0150a5med.jpg

http://images33.fotosik.pl/433/5801b598ad69c16emed.jpg

http://images36.fotosik.pl/44/c6edd81e2e2feb1fmed.jpg

http://images41.fotosik.pl/44/3592fbefb77ef952med.jpg

:cheers:

Triceratops

January 5th, 2009, 03:55 PM

2 lanes for Poland is too small there should be 3

Must agree with you! I also think that with such population and especially density in some regions Poland should have 3-laned motorways!! That's not a correct variant to save money! :ohno:

rakim

January 5th, 2009, 05:44 PM

^^ but I guess any highway building in Poland today have free place for additional lane in the future:

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8279/pict0291ey9ay4.jpg

rakim

January 5th, 2009, 05:49 PM

Polish Railways

PART 1

http://www.pkp.pl/files/modernizacja_linii_kolejowych.jpg

There's also high speed rail included on this map, which should be ready till 2020 (500 kms). Vmax = 300

http://infobus.pl/files/20779/8_760.jpg ---- RED LINE --> High speed rail

http://en.transport-expertise.org/index.php/2008/06/11/in-brief-high-speed-rail-will-invade-poland-by-2020/

http://www.constructionpoland.com/next.php?id=58893,

Line E-65 Gdynia - Gdańsk - Warszawa under modernization, costs: 1,3-1,5 bln euros, time: 2008-2012/13, Vmax after modernization = 160/200 km/h

http://www.plk-inwestycje.pl/typo3temp/pics/e9e5beadae.jpg

http://pni.net.pl/components/com_ponygallery/img_pictures/20080930_1868155415_nasielsk_e.jpg

Line E-30 Wrocław - Katowice - Kraków under modernization (almost 700 kms), costs: around 1,5 bln euros, time: 2008-2012/13

http://www.plk-inwestycje.pl/typo3temp/pics/fb55b1c850.jpg

http://images49.fotosik.pl/5/fa9587e660ab250b.jpg

http://images23.fotosik.pl/242/56081b49c43e9fe8.jpg

[i]Line E-20 Warszawa - Terespol under modernization (700 kms) time: 2008-2012/13 Vmax = 160

http://www.plk-inwestycje.pl/typo3temp/pics/a961da487a.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8051/img0023hl2.jpg

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/43/img0009np9.jpg

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[b]PART 2 Tomorrow...

krzysiu_

January 5th, 2009, 06:09 PM

Must agree with you! I also think that with such population and especially density in some regions Poland should have 3-laned motorways!! That's not a correct variant to save money! :ohno:Yeh but Poland is not a Dubai, and to bulid so many kms of A's and S's in such a short time you have to make some savings imo. 4-5 years and over 3000kms of A's and S's is quite alot...To build proper infrastructure...let's say in Denmark, you need 10 times less money, cause Denmark is 10 times smaller. If you know what I mean...

luci203

January 5th, 2009, 06:47 PM

Must agree with you! I also think that with such population and especially density in some regions Poland should have 3-laned motorways!! That's not a correct variant to save money! :ohno:
Is not only the population density, is also the traffic.

In Belgium and Netherlands is not only the population density, you also have the huge traffic between Germany and France. (plus longer links between Denmark, UK and Spain)

In Poland, the international traffic is much lower. So 2 lanes express way might be enough.

:2cents:

Triceratops

January 5th, 2009, 07:00 PM

asotUA

January 5th, 2009, 07:39 PM

Anyway it's good what it is at the moment! At least it's better to develop so as does Poland, instead of the example as does Ukraine, which thinks that they will have everything built and improved (I expect railroads, roads, hotels) in a year, in 2011! :nuts:

You know I sometimes read what you write and its funny because you always seem pick and switch sides around when ever some good news from one of those comes out. Because just about 10 pages back you were all happy and cheerfuller for Ukraine and now here we go again back to "they are a complete shit". Kind of retarded in a way you know. So picked one yet? maybe Poland huh?...Get over it already!:ohno:

Iluminat

January 5th, 2009, 08:00 PM

There are no "sides" here.

6opuC

January 5th, 2009, 08:09 PM

luci look at A4 motorway...sometimes 2 lanes is not enough

krzysiu_

January 5th, 2009, 08:18 PM

You know I sometimes read what you write and its funny because you always seem pick and switch sides around when ever some good news from one of those comes out. Because just about 10 pages back you were all happy and cheerfuller for Ukraine and now here we go again back to "they are a complete shit". Kind of retarded in a way you know. So picked one yet? maybe Poland huh?...Get over it already!:ohno:Maybe you're right OR maybe people are just commenting facts in here huh? Think twice before You'll start criticize someone. Situation with hotels in Ukraine is tragic, ofc in big cities like Lwow or Kiev there're some hotels, but generally situation isn't good imo... What about roads? You built one 100 or 200km expressway or w/e but it's about whole country, and as you and we all know roads aren't your strongest side imo. On polish forum, there's a thread about peoples trips on Ukraine and I think I don't have to write, what are their opinions about UKR. roads...But it's not like they're anty-Ukraine, they're just talking about what they have seen. And the same you have here. Ofc you can find some trolls (german, spanish, polish, ukrains etc) but most of these posts are just facts..

asotUA

January 5th, 2009, 08:28 PM

don't know about the facts but last time we Ukrainian forumers looked in that so-called "Trips to Ukraine thread"more then 50% of it where not facts but laughs and i guess that comes to the point calling it simply trolls!(just not nice from a brother country like Poland)...but of course not all, I had PM's by other guys who were sorry and told me that those are just bunch of assholes who get banned later anyway, like old anti-UA DelfinPL or w.e his nickname was back then if you know.)
But again its been said before, You guys are richer then us, in EU, getting some funds for your projects, you almost not bordering Russia like we do who has to f*ck up everything because they have too. They can't call us a country, we are still so called "state" to them:lol: We us you can see we will always be laggin behind you no matter if we are bigger in size or population.

krzysiu_

January 5th, 2009, 08:52 PM

I'm sorry but you have to learn to distinguish serious posts and trolling. And I bet you have some projects connected with e2012 (hotels, roads etc)... Post it in here, people already asked for it but I guess you're too lazy or something ;) I guess you have some photos on your forum, you can just paste it here...

rakim

January 5th, 2009, 08:56 PM

don't know about the facts but last time we Ukrainian forumers looked in that so-called "Trips to Ukraine thread"more then 50% of it where not facts but laughs and i guess that comes to the point calling it simply trolls!(just not nice from a brother country like Poland)

You can't just call people trolls, simply because they went on a trip to Ukraine, made photos and put them on the forum. Photos are facts, holes in the streets were not done in Photoshop. Tram tracks protruding meter above the ground as well. I know that some Poles respond to these photos too strong and not so nice, but that's beside the point.

luci203

January 5th, 2009, 09:28 PM

luci look at A4 motorway...sometimes 2 lanes is not enough
A4 unite Germany - Poland - Ucraina.

We where talking about S7, S8 - I belive 2 lanes are enough. :)

P.S.
A4 do have more than 2 lanes, right? :shifty:

Cracovia

January 5th, 2009, 09:45 PM

A4 unite Germany - Poland - Ucraina.

We where talking about S7, S8 - I belive 2 lanes are enough. :)

P.S.
A4 do have more than 2 lanes, right? :shifty:

Around cities like Katowice, Krakow, Wroclaw and coming up to major junctions it has more than two, but the rest is 2 lanes.

Triceratops

January 6th, 2009, 08:22 AM

@7iDmytro_UA*, mate, I'm not changing sides, I'm for development of two countries equally! All I want is just to see the real prepartion works' photos and when someone posts them I'm just getting happy that the country is going through any kinds of problems in such times and manages to make any kinds of construction for Euro!! But after seeing what has done Poland and compare to what has Ukraine... I'm just watching the facts... Why don't you just post something new, something concerning the real development progress done in UA? :)

rakim

January 6th, 2009, 09:42 AM

A4 Zgorzelec (German border) - Krzyżowa:

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery.aspx Wrescie nowe zdjecia :)
KONTRAKT B

Zbrojenie betonu nawierzchniowego km 31+500

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_01.JPG

Beton nawierzchniowy km 31+500

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_02.JPG

Grupa układająca beton nawierzchniowy + Geodeci, moment zakończenia układania betonu 2008.12.02

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_03.JPG

Ostatni beton nawierzchniowy km 31+750

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_04.JPG

Waga pomiarowa, km 47+000

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_05.JPG

Montaż bramy dla znaków o zmiennej treści, km 49+500

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_06.JPG

Ekran dżwiękochłonny przy wiadukcie WA 48 w Nowej Wsi

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_07.JPG

Ekran przy oczku wodnym km 33+500

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_08.JPG

Węzeł Krzyżowa, łącznice 3, 1, 4 widok z wiaduktu WD 50C

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_09.JPG

Węzeł Krzyżowa, wiadukty WD 50A, WD 50C, widok z wiaduktu WD 50B z przwej łącznica 2 w kierunku Olszyny

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_10.JPG

Łącznica Ł1 na węźle Krzyżowa , wiadukt WD50A i WD 50C

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_11.JPG

Wiadukt WD 50B na węźle Krzyżowa

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_12.JPG

Wiadukt WD 50C na węźle Krzyżowa

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_13.JPG

Przejście dla zwierząt PZ 47 strona zachodnia

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_14.JPG

Na górze przejścia dla zwierząt PZ 47

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_15.JPG

Na górze przejścia dla zwierząt PZ 28

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_16.JPG

Przejście dla zwierząt PZ 52

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_17.JPG

Umocnienie dna i skarp potoku Bobrzyca pod mostem MA 46

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_18.JPG

Wiadukt Wa 49

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_19.JPG

Altanki na MOPie Kraśnik

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_20.JPG

Ogrodzenie OUA na węźle Bolesławiec

http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_21.JPG

rakim

January 6th, 2009, 10:03 AM

Signed a contract for the construction of 180 km A1 motorway from Lodz to the Silesian agglomeration (purple line on the map). Motorway rise before Euro 2012. Cost about 2 bln euros.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7774/mapassces4tv6.jpg

sampras

January 6th, 2009, 12:05 PM

Przejście dla zwierząt PZ 52
http://www.zgorzelec-krzyzowa.pl/gallery/200901_17.JPG

God damn' ! :ohno:
When will our designers learn how to design wildlife bridges?
I can bet no animals will cross it :nuts:

luci203

January 6th, 2009, 02:03 PM

^^
Usually small tunels are used for wildlife crossing.

http://www.autostradatransilvania.ro/files/gallery/pictures/978__5_Fill%20km%2036+180.JPG

:cheers:

Iluminat

January 6th, 2009, 02:22 PM

don't turn it into a Higway&Autobahn thread please:ohno:

Jasix

January 6th, 2009, 02:38 PM

don't turn it into a Higway&Autobahn thread please:ohno:

What's wrong with that? Roads are very important during E2012! It's nice to see new infrastructure of it :)

luci203

January 6th, 2009, 02:44 PM

^^
Roads, Railroads, Airports, Hotels, Shops, all are important to the EURO 2012, not just Stadiums.

Jasix

January 6th, 2009, 02:55 PM

New photos from National Stadium in Warsaw:

http://i.wp.pl/a/f/jpeg/21442/Budowa_Stadionu_Narodowego_0548.jpeg

http://i.wp.pl/a/f/jpeg/21442/Budowa_Stadionu_Narodowego_01_2009__0472.jpeg

http://i.wp.pl/a/f/jpeg/21442/Budowa_Stadionu_Narodowego_01_2009_0516.jpeg

http://i.wp.pl/a/f/jpeg/21442/Budowa_Stadionu_Narodowego_01_2009_0486.jpeg

http://i.wp.pl/a/f/jpeg/21442/Budowa_Stadionu_Narodowego_-01_2009_0518.jpeg

http://i.wp.pl/a/f/jpeg/21442/Budowa_Stadionu_Narodowego_-01_2009_0394.jpeg

:banana:

rakim

January 6th, 2009, 04:06 PM

Wrocław stadium animation:

Ul-iJAxBb_4[/QUOTE]

krzysiu_

January 6th, 2009, 05:05 PM

Baltic Arena by biker_1978:

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm54/bike15/Obraz012_resize-5.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm54/bike15/Obraz020_resize-4.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm54/bike15/Obraz026_resize-2.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm54/bike15/Obraz006_resize-7.jpg

Triceratops

January 6th, 2009, 07:29 PM

Nice update from PL side, thanks, as always, Polish forumers! :banana: Can't uderstand why hardly any Ukrainian can post at least something new here??

J@nek

January 6th, 2009, 08:16 PM

I am not sure how to import photos from other Skyscraper forums .... so I will provide the link:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=169243&page=84

The photos were taken by adritt; they present construction works of an investment very important to the soccer championships. The further construction works at the Krakow Airport - precisely a multi-story parking facility in front of the terminal building as well, what is more important, a train station in the rear of the parking facility, which will allow for comfortable travels between the city of Krakow and its airport. Currently such serive is available, however; it is no very convenient as the 'temporary', rather emberrasing train station is located some distance away from the terminal facility. The investment presented will bring the train link to a 'European level'.

krzysiu_

January 6th, 2009, 08:25 PM

del

rakim

January 6th, 2009, 08:30 PM

I am not sure how to import photos from other Skyscraper forums .... so I will provide the link:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=169243&page=84

Simply quote:

http://images46.fotosik.pl/46/6b1715094280ae3d.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)
http://images50.fotosik.pl/46/60d20e0a955e9f7f.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)
http://images48.fotosik.pl/46/4d9d2214c9206ad2.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)
http://images49.fotosik.pl/46/92dc298352762de7.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)
http://images34.fotosik.pl/431/012b1a88e363bdf9.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)
http://images25.fotosik.pl/310/231a2f632937d95a.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)
Wspominany element konstrukcji - nie mam pojecia co to?
http://images28.fotosik.pl/311/06c23eafaba74c07.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)
http://images32.fotosik.pl/431/e00af8f16e8d082b.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)

Jasix

January 6th, 2009, 08:33 PM

Maybe this is stupid question, but what does "del" mean? It's everywhere

krzysiu_

January 6th, 2009, 08:53 PM

del = delete, info dla moda żeby skasował tego posta jak się coś pomylisz lub napiszesz 2 takie same posty.eot.

ruslan33

January 6th, 2009, 11:28 PM

soloveich

January 7th, 2009, 04:21 AM

they are all busy stealing gas :)

J@nek

January 7th, 2009, 07:12 AM

Construction works on Warsaw's second stadium (Stadion Legia) have started a few weeks ago. This stadium will be Warsaw's second largest stadium facility after the National Stadium. It is an important investment with respect to Euro 2012 as it will serve as a practive facitlity if I am not mistaken. The link provided will allow you to view more photos.

http://www.legia.com/www/galerie/wydarzenia/2009-01-05/big/1013.JPG
http://www.legia.com/www/galerie/wydarzenia/2009-01-05/big/1004.JPG

Więcej na: http://legia.com/www/view_galeria.php?gal=345[/QUOTE]

As well, a very important investment in the city of Wroclaw. The AOW (Autostradowa Obwodnica Wroclawia) is a three-lane highway bypass of Wroclaw. It is critical with respect to the Euro 2012 as it will relief the city of transit traffic congestion, making travels within the city during the championshis more comfortable. The investment is also comprised of a bridge (120 meters high pillars) which will be Poland's highest bridge once completed. The bridge will be built over the Odra river.

http://wrosystem.um.wroc.pl/beta_4/webdisk/3a04b6fd-a002-48cb-a9bc-a1985eb5b2d3/docelowy-uklad-drogowy.png[/QUOTE]

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/9/5036/m5036699.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/23s7yp2.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/29ho5w.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/2jdlxjq.jpg[/QUOTE]

All photos were gathered from the Polish Skyscrapers forum, special thanks to all from the forum!

ufonut

January 7th, 2009, 11:41 AM

krzysiu_

January 7th, 2009, 12:18 PM

Please...załóż wątek historyczny i tam wylewaj swoje żale, a tu pisz tylko na temat, PROSZE! Where's mod !?!

rakim

January 7th, 2009, 12:28 PM

@ ufonut: I know it's sick but better don't provoke, your post may cause unnecessary discussion not related with Euro2012 !.
Better post some developing pictures.

DJRexxx

January 7th, 2009, 12:57 PM

ufonut uuu :D szykuje sie banik dla Ciebie... Pozdrawiam

Jasix

January 7th, 2009, 01:16 PM

Lubin Stadium:

http://www.zaglebie-lubin.pl/www/upload/05.01.2009/stadion/1.jpg

http://www.zaglebie-lubin.pl/www/upload/05.01.2009/stadion/2.jpg

http://www.zaglebie-lubin.pl/www/upload/05.01.2009/stadion/3.jpg

http://www.zaglebie-lubin.pl/www/upload/05.01.2009/stadion/4.jpg

http://www.zaglebie-lubin.pl/www/upload/05.01.2009/stadion/6.jpg

http://www.zaglebie-lubin.pl/www/upload/05.01.2009/stadion/8.jpg

Jasix

January 7th, 2009, 01:57 PM

And something from Ukraine -> Highway M-o3/E-40 Kyiv-Boryspil

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7670/borispolbig12copyhh9.jpg

I know nothing about this highway - maybe somebody? How many km it has? Anyway four lines - quite amazing :) :banana:

rakim

January 7th, 2009, 03:00 PM

I know nothing about this highway - maybe somebody? How many km it has? Anyway four lines - quite amazing :) :banana:

18 km or something like this.

Triceratops

January 7th, 2009, 03:33 PM

Finally new developments from Ukraine. In the name of fostering neighbourly relations Ukraine put out a collection of stamps with a known mass-murderer.

Even during an economic crisis, political chaos and an international gas row, Ukraine finds money and time to honor an ex-SS man, nationalist savage murderer whose band of criminals was directly responsible for slaughtering over half of million of Polish men, women and children in the most vile, inhuman and bestial ways.

And who said there were no developments in Ukraine ?

sad to hear that.. :ohno: but I still don't give up a hope that Ukraine will host the tournament! I think it's just a matter of time and after about a year it will wake up after a long stagnation and will be booming!! :banana: ok, maybe it's not so realistic but at least it will definately have all the stadiums built by that time!! :)

6opuC

January 7th, 2009, 03:40 PM

18 km or something like this.

yep it connect Airport with city

6opuC

January 7th, 2009, 03:42 PM

Jafik czadowy stadion:cheers:

Cracovia

January 7th, 2009, 05:08 PM

VKvwFajhasw

^^official film showing preparations in host citys, Very good though a little old.

KruEv

January 7th, 2009, 08:26 PM

sad to tell but there is no progress right now in Ukraine.

Most construction projects have halted due the bankcrupcy of Ukraine. :ohno:

Ты и сюда припёрся.:bash:

KruEv

January 7th, 2009, 08:29 PM

Photos from stadium in Lviv (Dec 2008):

http://uaeuro2012.com/components/com_datsogallery/img_originals/2DD3B2964CC0-52.jpg

http://uaeuro2012.com/components/com_datsogallery/img_originals/87654F78ED68-52.jpg

http://uaeuro2012.com/components/com_datsogallery/img_originals/3FBCB751D87E-52.jpg

http://uaeuro2012.com/components/com_datsogallery/img_originals/1482ED06306C-52.jpg

http://uaeuro2012.com/components/com_datsogallery/img_originals/6B52D8D167E5-52.jpg

http://uaeuro2012.com/components/com_datsogallery/img_originals/C3F4AB45E4F7-20.jpg

http://uaeuro2012.com/components/com_datsogallery/img_originals/D1CD36E92168-20.jpg

http://uaeuro2012.com/components/com_datsogallery/img_originals/45962E293A1A-20.jpg

http://uaeuro2012.com/components/com_datsogallery/img_originals/34EA43B968AA-20.jpg

Triceratops

January 7th, 2009, 09:06 PM

Thanks at least for that, as I've mentioned before - it seems that only stadiums will be ready for the championships, pity that the government of UA doesn't pay big attention to all kinds of infrastructure development...

J@nek

January 7th, 2009, 09:40 PM

Good Job Lwow!!!!!!! Nice to see construction workst in full swing on the stadium. Hope Lwow maintains its status as a host city due to its distance to the Polish border.:cheers:

ruslan33

January 7th, 2009, 11:49 PM

Finally new developments from Ukraine. In the name of fostering neighbourly relations Ukraine put out a collection of stamps with a known mass-murderer.

Even during an economic crisis, political chaos and an international gas row, Ukraine finds money and time to honor an ex-SS man, nationalist savage murderer whose band of criminals was directly responsible for slaughtering over half of million of Polish men, women and children in the most vile, inhuman and bestial ways.

And who said there were no developments in Ukraine ?

Yes this is really really sad. They are honoring him with a great hero on the Ukrainian forum :ohno:

6opuC

January 8th, 2009, 12:41 AM

Ruslan you freak... do you have something more interesting to say about infr?

ruslan33

January 8th, 2009, 12:49 AM

Ruslan you freak... do you have something more interesting to say about infr?

Yes I hope the stadium in Lviv will be build :cheers:

Black Label

January 8th, 2009, 09:19 AM

Lubin Stadium:

Co ma stadion w Lubinie wspólnego z przygotowaniami Polski i Ukrainy do Euro???:bash::bash::bash:

DJRexxx

January 8th, 2009, 10:28 AM

A no tyle ze bedzie bazą treningową...

asotUA

January 8th, 2009, 12:28 PM

they are all busy stealing gas :)

Іді драчі гандоніщє!

Ok so it's like winter outside and we don't really have any fresh pics of preparations+our forumers don't go on trips like polish do to see the progress of the highways. Can;t tell much about serching for something new on Internet...takes some time to find on such topic. Im sure easier with Poland. because again its 100 vs 5000 of you here+couple trolls like Ruslan and ufonut who are crying about some stamps which is totally off topic!:lol: But at the moment we got much inportant things to worry about...for example like Gas which zombies caught to play their little game. Hopefully you all understand!
But hey, great job Poland on the latest booming news, especially with the roads!:cheers:

Triceratops

January 8th, 2009, 05:02 PM

ok, now it's all clear with Ukraine for a year minimum due to the gas, financial, government problems, so we wouldn't get the updates because of the fact that not much will be u/c in the nearest time! :ohno:

asotUA

January 8th, 2009, 09:47 PM

Do you think I'm happy about whats going on right now? Its those b*tches who are still jealous and who want us to fail the Euro2012. Sochi2014 is not enough for them they need to dominate everything! Just one look at UA section, how they come and shit all over the place with their stupid gas comments and then they ALWAYS ask us why we hate russia and them so much, wow!:lol: I wish the money would fall from the sky so we can get done with this whole thing in no time(I mean the Euro2012) but I guess its impossible!:(

DJRexxx

January 8th, 2009, 09:50 PM

Triceratops I send you a P.M.

Triceratops

January 9th, 2009, 05:16 PM

Triceratops I send you a P.M.

I received it! ;)

@7iDmytro_UA*, but still I don't think that totally everything is on hold in Ukraine - as I heard some sections of highways are u/c, as well as new hotel buildings and the most important structures - stadiums, so there's no reason to give up and stop posting stuff concerning preparation works, please keep going! :)

ramatoru

January 9th, 2009, 10:43 PM

asotUA

January 9th, 2009, 11:26 PM

@7iDmytro_UA*, but still I don't think that totally everything is on hold in Ukraine - as I heard some sections of highways are u/c, as well as new hotel buildings and the most important structures - stadiums, so there's no reason to give up and stop posting stuff concerning preparation works, please keep going! :)

I never did give up but its just that whats is going one right now was totally unexpected BUT good planed by the russians!:ohno:

Ну ты и гавнюк. Это ж надо так развоняться.

іді свєзді в рассійскую сєкцєю "гавнюк"!

Jasix

January 10th, 2009, 09:40 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Tabliczka_S3.svg/60px-Tabliczka_S3.svg.png

Express Road S3:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S3.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S3.svg.png

Planned: 470 km
Built: 90 km
In building: circa 90 km

Szczecin - Gorzów Wielkopolski:

http://images44.fotosik.pl/43/5def69ea91943386.jpg

http://images46.fotosik.pl/43/ef03baf8e36d0bcb.jpg

http://images33.fotosik.pl/430/d4ea4ce17e37efb7.jpg

http://images39.fotosik.pl/43/42e4141e883c1210.jpg

http://images39.fotosik.pl/43/5a522da49b433c8f.jpg

http://images49.fotosik.pl/43/d651b3dbc8d72146.jpg

:cheers:

Triceratops

January 10th, 2009, 12:11 PM

^^ not bad! by meaning built you mean they are alredy put in operation?

Jasix

January 10th, 2009, 12:56 PM

By "built" I mean they are already in use. By "In Building" I mean they are U/C :) There are still much work to do! :cheers:

Jasix

January 10th, 2009, 06:17 PM

Poznan Stadium U/C :banana:

http://www.lechpoznan.pl/pliki/cms/269/090108mao001.jpg
http://www.lechpoznan.pl/pliki/cms/269/090108mao002.jpg
http://www.lechpoznan.pl/pliki/cms/269/090108mao005.jpg

http://images33.fotosik.pl/438/c1366945bccfb1f9.jpg[/URL]

http://images32.fotosik.pl/432/d9107d1431cd9af0.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)

[URL=www.fotosik.pl]http://images34.fotosik.pl/433/931e088ec2bce00f.jpg

http://www.11.pl/_pliki_/zdjecia/12315031531810.jpg

http://www.11.pl/_pliki_/zdjecia/12315031543711.jpg

http://www.11.pl/_pliki_/zdjecia/12315031558424.jpg

http://www.11.pl/_pliki_/zdjecia/12315031569966.jpg

:cheers:

golov

January 10th, 2009, 06:36 PM

Warsawbynight

January 10th, 2009, 06:57 PM

I remember getting this question answered previously, but if Polish members don't mind I will ask again. How many of the planned motorways will be toll roads? Is there a map showing toll motorways vs regular ones?

See post #1534

We will surely have more than 1 000 km of tolled motorways- there are big chances that there will be much more, like 1 500 km, but untill the contracts remain unsigned, we don't know it for sure.

We don't know exactly how many expressways will be ready, but there are many under construction and they will be all free :banana:

Jasix

January 10th, 2009, 08:25 PM

We have already got 757 km of motorways, and we are planning to have 1996 km in next few years. Now under construction are 210,5 km. Untill Euro 2012 we are planning to have 1601 km but nobody knows how many will we have in real life. This is an actual version of plans of polish motorways signed by Prime Minister in 2004.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/PL_motorways_2008.12.26.svg/610px-PL_motorways_2008.12.26.svg.png

red color - in use
blue - under construction
black - planned

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Tabliczka_A1.svg/120px-Tabliczka_A1.svg.png

From Gdańsk to Gorzyczki - 582 km (in use 109 km, U/C 112,5 km)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Tabliczka_A2.svg/120px-Tabliczka_A2.svg.png

From Świecko to Kukuryki - 610 km (in use 254 km, U/C 0 km)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Tabliczka_A4.svg/120px-Tabliczka_A4.svg.png

From Jędrzychowice to Korczowa - 670 km (in use 365 km, U/C 71 km)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Tabliczka_A6.svg/120px-Tabliczka_A6.svg.png

From Kołbaskowo to Rzęśnica - 29 km (in use 22 km, U/C 0 km)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Tabliczka_A8.svg/120px-Tabliczka_A8.svg.png

From Bielany Wrocławskie to Wrocław (Psie Pole) - 27 km (in use 0 km, U/C 27 km)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Tabliczka_A18.svg/120px-Tabliczka_A18.svg.png

From Olszyna to Krzyżowa - 78 km (in use 8 km, U/C 0 km)

I think all of motorways will be toll roads during Euro 2012, it is a great profit you know, so sorry about that :)

Triceratops

January 10th, 2009, 09:12 PM

man, that's just one amazing map!! your Prime Minister has a very good strategy of development of the whole country, I see! way to go PL!! :cheers:

Indyk

January 10th, 2009, 09:33 PM

man, that's just one amazing map!! your Prime Minister has a very good strategy of development of the whole country, I see! way to go PL!! :cheers:

It seems a bit less ambitious than the previous one:

http://www.pb.pl/images/article/2008/10/16/87015364-9afc-44f8-8fc1-50b24ac60222.jpg

Jasix

January 10th, 2009, 10:01 PM

Something from the future :banana:

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9048/2033rj4.gif

Polish roads in 2033 :eek2:

rakim

January 10th, 2009, 10:28 PM

Till 2033 everything can be different, please don't post here your dreams.

Marek_VF

January 11th, 2009, 12:18 PM

I wish we could see anything from Ukraine... They prolly don't enter this thread too often.

larvind

January 11th, 2009, 12:41 PM

A6/S3 interchange U/C

http://images39.fotosik.pl/47/1ff2e57e7def5fd5.jpg
http://images29.fotosik.pl/312/a51c7d252e1d7190.jpg
http://images40.fotosik.pl/47/5cad4e52ddf14a80.jpg
http://images50.fotosik.pl/47/1133b9e4269c8168.jpg
http://images49.fotosik.pl/47/c6ebbd78faca2a7d.jpg

Triceratops

January 11th, 2009, 01:36 PM

not bad for future, but I think there could be more motorways, especially at least one, which will connect Baltic States with Western Europe, I mean a highway from Lithuanian border not passing Warsaw - to build one from Ełk to Olsztyn will be the best variant for this!!

larvind

January 11th, 2009, 01:44 PM

^^^ Our traffic with Baltic States is little compared to other regions, so its not a priority for Poland to build motorway in that direction.

J@nek

January 11th, 2009, 09:20 PM

One thing is for sure, Poland is laging behind Europe with respect to road infrastructure. I do not understand why our 'tool' politicians failed to invest into what is and was important, but thankfully today, big steps are being taken to change this, and as this discussion forum demonstrates; things are changing for the better rapidly :)

Hopefully in a few years we will not have to be embarresed of our roads in front of the Czechs, Slovaks or Hungarians.

krzysiu_

January 11th, 2009, 10:47 PM

Even tho those 3 countries together are still 2x times smaller and with 2x less population then Poland...How hard is to build road inf. in 3mln country and in almost 40 mln country...

Cracovia

January 11th, 2009, 11:03 PM

Costly bids submitted for Wroclaw stadium

Three consortia have submitted bids in the final stage of a tender to build a new stadium in Maslice, which will host matches in the Euro 2012 tournament. However, the prices quoted were much higher than was anticipated by Wroclaw’s local authorities.
The bids were as follows: PLN 936m or €227.7m (Alpine Bau, Hydrobudowa and PBG), PLN 755m or €183.7m (Max Boegl and Budimex Dromex) and PLN 729m or €177.4m (Mostostal, GP Avax and Wrobis). The city, on the other hand, had intended to spend PLN 521m (€126.8m) on this goal. The cheapest bid exceeded this total by more than PLN 200m (€48.7m). Each of the bids will now be assessed with regard to price, the deadline given for completing the work and the guarantee period.
http://constructionpoland.com/next.php?id=68139

Triceratops

January 12th, 2009, 02:27 PM

krzysiu_

January 12th, 2009, 02:40 PM

Maślice is a housing estate in Wrocław.

larvind

January 12th, 2009, 02:42 PM

So it's not the city of Wroclaw itself, where the games will be held - it's Maslice! Why couldn't they build the stadium in the city of Wroclaw, as I know there's not so much problems with free land/space for that.. ?

Maślice is not a a city, but the district of Wrocław.
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%C5%9Blice

the same with Baltic Arena (Letnica) - dsitrict of Gdańsk,
National Stadium (Praga) - district of Warsaw.

Jasix

January 12th, 2009, 06:00 PM

Poznan Stadium (construction will start in a few days):

http://images41.fotosik.pl/48/a44ba1130755f310.jpg

http://images34.fotosik.pl/435/ed98f28ea9a98988.jpg

Triceratops

January 12th, 2009, 07:33 PM

The question is realted to Polish forumers - guys, can someone of you post a list with all stadiums (projects) in Poland where will the games be held, which are in process of construction/improvement, please? :)

Cracovia

January 12th, 2009, 07:39 PM

Currently the only stadium not under construction is the one in Wroclaw and Chorzow, though there are different technicalities.

Warsaw-U/C, though only stage one- the foundations and ground works
Currently there is a tender for the main constructor

Gdansk- U/C Same situation as in Warsaw

Poznan- U/C The main contractor is preparing the area and all the contracts are signed.
Currently waiting on the construction permit which is about 2 weeks late,

Krakow- U/C Similar situation to Wroclaw initial price was too large. New tender is in final stages
contracts should be exchanged this month. The problems with the tender have created a month long delay in the initiation of proper construction works. Though it can be counted as U/C because of the foundation works

Wroclaw- The tender should have been complete and contracts signed. However the price is an
issue at the moment.

Chorzow- Tender announced and open to offers for the expansion to 55000 capacity and new
roof. Construction should commence in the summer

Cracovia

January 12th, 2009, 08:01 PM

Warsaw National stadium 55 000
http://www.2012.org.pl/binsource?docId=282&paramName=PICTURE&index=0&language=EN

Chorzow Silesia Stadium 55 000
http://www.2012.org.pl/cities/chorzow/binSrc?paramName=BINARYOBJ_FILE&docId=1691&language=PL&index=0

Poznan- Municipal Stadium 46 500
http://www.2012.org.pl/binsource?docId=285&paramName=PICTURE&index=0&language=EN

Wroclaw- Municipal Stadium 44 000
http://www.2012.org.pl/binsource?docId=289&paramName=PICTURE&index=0&language=EN

Gdansk Baltic Arena 44 000
http://www.4pm.pl/u/Image/baltic%20arena/6.jpg

Krakow- Wisla Stadium 35 500
http://www.stadionwisly.info/obrazki/projekty/d16.jpg

Cracovia

January 12th, 2009, 08:07 PM

Six consortia in the second phase of the tender for the construction of the National Stadium

Six consortia fulfilled the criteria of the tender and qualified for the second phase of the tender for the general constructor of the National Stadium – the tender committee of the National Sports Centre company decided.

The committee stated that three companies – China Metallurgical Group Corporation, Mostostal-Export S.A. and Dragados S.A. fulfilled neither the formal nor the technical requirements.

The final decision shall be made upon finishing the tender procedure and considering possible appeals, in late January or early February 2009. The rejected bidders wishing to appeal need to do it in 10 days time – until January 8th 2009.

http://www.2012.org.pl/cities/warsaw/citynews?r%2Carticle%2CarticleId=2179

The Lech stadium shall soon become a big construction site

Building machines shall soon appear once again around the Poznan City Stadium. Last Monday, the EURO Poznan 2012 Company let the general contractor of the extension of the object, Hydrobudowa Polska SA., into the construction site.

The deconstruction of the side stands was finished shortly before Christmas. In late January the stadium where the Lech Poznan team plays its matches shall once again become a construction site. The winner of the tender – a consortium represented by Hydrobudowa Polska SA shall begin construction works on two new stands.

Ryszard Dembiński, CEO of the EURO Poznan 2012 company representing the city in dealing with the modernisation, the only issue remaining to be settled before the works could begin was a building permit issued by the Voivod."

"We may say that it’s already ‘on its way’. We were hoping to receive it until the end of the year, but due to various procedural obstacles, it shall take a little more time. I think that we should receive all the necessary permits on January 20th or 22th at the latest" – Dembiński told PAP.

"Until that moment the contractor shall have the time to prepare the ground, e.g. by assembling the fence, distributing the power supply or building the social infrastructure for the workers" – added Dembiński.
http://www.2012.org.pl/cities/poznan/citynews?r%2Carticle%2CarticleId=2196

Warsawbynight

January 12th, 2009, 08:39 PM

rakim

January 12th, 2009, 09:01 PM

^^Don't cry. A1 Lodz-Katowice was pre signed and A2 Lodz - Warszawa probably by the end of this month. If there are any problems, it is linked to the crisis and that banks are reluctant to lend money, not, that Prime minister went skiing.

Btw. Outside Krakow, beautiful stadiums, I can't wait to see when they are built.

J@nek

January 12th, 2009, 09:04 PM

Just like the A2 Nowy Tomysl - German Border, A1 Gdansk - Lodz etc were signed, so will the A2 Lodz - Warsaw and A1 Katowice - Lodz.

They know its critical and will do anything to have them ready.

krzysiu_

January 12th, 2009, 09:05 PM

There is one very strong, I would say fundamental defeat when it goes to polish motorways for EURO 2012 - our government still didn't sign the most important contract- A2 Lódź-Warszawa and A1 Lódź-Katowice - without these motorways EURO will be a total defeat for Poland. The situation is really critical and our prime minister went skiing in Italy..yeah, If I'd be a polish prime minister I couldn't fall asleep before this thing would be done and this idiot is smiling and making so many useless things just to be loved :(((*RIGHT* But you are not a p.minister...It's not that easy as you can see...Easy to say, much, muuuuch hard to do...Btw..."this idiot is smiling and making so many useless things just to be loved"...You can always became a p.minister and then some kiddos like you might say excatly the same...So I suggest you, to think twice before you write some bs like this next time...Whatever he would do, there will always be @#$%^%& like you with some whines...Btw. Outside Krakow, beautiful stadiums, I can't wait to see when they are built.Wisła's stadiums won't as good as the other stadiums on e2012 imo but there will be quite nice hotel inf. around the stadium. 3 Hilton hotels and some other projects...

Warsawbynight

January 12th, 2009, 09:05 PM

Warsawbynight

January 12th, 2009, 09:10 PM

*RIGHT* But you are not a p.minister...It's not that easy as you can see...Easy to say, much, muuuuch hard to do...Btw..."this idiot is smiling and making so many useless things just to be loved"...You can always became a p.minister and then some kiddos like you might say excatly the same...So I suggest you, to think twice before you write some bs like this next time...Whatever he would do, there will always be @#$%^%& like you with some whines...

Don't make me laugh- our government is just good at speaking :bash:- I will stop laughing when they will start construction of this motorway soon and it will be completed for EURO 2012.

rakim

January 12th, 2009, 09:13 PM

Cracovia

January 12th, 2009, 09:14 PM

Sorry, but for now it's just bullshiting- if there are really problems with the banks, they should break up talks with privat capital and build it with EU funds like many other motoways- it would be faster and cheaper.

If that was the case then they would do it...The problem is the Government needs to guarantee these Loans so that the companies can build them.

Warsawbynight

January 12th, 2009, 09:18 PM

Too late for this, genius !

you will stop laughing when they will annouce that finishing before EURO 2012 will be impossible and that it's Kaczyński's, Kwaśniewski's and all others fault :)

just wait still some months with signing the contract still :bash:

Warsawbynight

January 12th, 2009, 09:20 PM

If that was the case then they would do it...The problem is the Government needs to guarantee these Loans so that the companies can build them.

The contract is guaranteed by the state- the problem is that the banks want to ern more money and knowing that the government is under pressure are trying to achieve better conditions- that's why I think the best thing is to break up with them and to do it in the most conventional way.

Cracovia

January 12th, 2009, 09:27 PM

The contract is guaranteed by the state- the problem is that the banks want to ern more money and knowing that the government is under pressure are trying to achieve better conditions- that's why I think the best thing is to break up with them and to do it in the most conventional way.

ok and incurr another 1 or 2 years of delays, the countless court cases and so on :bash:
It is beeing done this way, and that is the only way they will get it done before Euro 2012.

Warsawbynight

January 12th, 2009, 09:32 PM

which court?? we didn't sign any contract with Autostrada Mazowiecka so there is no option for any court! We are just stopping talks and we are building it normally!

As you can see, the private capital is unable to build fast. A2 motorway Stryków-Konin has been built in 15 months! (delayed a bit due to some minor problems)

J@nek

January 12th, 2009, 09:41 PM

Guys please relax .... dont pollute the thread please:ohno:
Wait a few months and see what happens. I believe all critical contraacts will be signed and ALL WILL BE GOOD!

Lets say that if works dont initiate by the end of this year (2009) on whatever projects, we may have a problem, but I truly beleive that the government will not allow that to happen. Be a bit more positive, believe in your country guys! Things are looking good for now:cheers:

Warsawbynight

January 12th, 2009, 09:44 PM

paku

January 12th, 2009, 10:57 PM

Geez, those teens... :ohno:

sloma_p

January 12th, 2009, 11:24 PM

Sorry, but for now it's just bullshiting- if there are really problems with the banks, they should break up talks with privat capital and build it with EU funds like many other motoways- it would be faster and cheaper.

anyway, let's hope that A2 to Warsaw will be completed, cause missing of this motorway for EURO 2012 means enormous defeat for Poland

Look man, you've came to this forum and ALL you had to say is that PPP is worse than building motorways through normal government contracts. You don't provide any evidence to back up your claims, you are being rude and you don't have a clue about tender law. FYI, if the politics you seem to put your faith in (sorry for the intl. forumers - there's political party in Poland, whose leaders were against having private companies builiding roads in exchange for taking profits from tolls for 30 yrs) actually did ANYTHING to build those roads with government and EU funds, most ppl would be happy. As it stands, they wasted 2 years on talk and we have to do it trough PPP.

Sorry for OT, the guy seems to be on a mission. Or he's just a troll...

J@nek

January 13th, 2009, 12:43 AM

I really hope J@nek! I am telling this not to quarell, but just cause I love my country and it hurts me so much when stupidity, lazyness and other bad things are destroying our image... I am coming back home every day with hope that they finally signed this cotract and I can be calm about EURO 2012...

Dong worry mate, I know you love your country; the time will come! You will come home and see that the contract has been signed.....just have patients.

sloma_p wtf; no need to offend anyone! Now guys, lets stick to the topic!

Updates from Poland and Ukraine now!:)

Triceratops

January 13th, 2009, 07:40 AM

@Cracovia, thanks a lot, that's exactly what I was asking for!! :cheers:

Cracovia

January 14th, 2009, 11:33 PM

Crisis seen helping Poland's Euro 2012 preparations

The global financial crisis may make the job of preparing for the Euro 2012 football championship easier for Poland as demand for unrelated construction eases and prices drop, a senior official said on Friday.

Marcin Herra, who heads the PL.2012 agency preparing for the event, told Reuters in an interview, the global slowdown in investment increased developers' interest in key infrastructure projects, while falling prices of building materials should make the final price-tag lower.

Infrastructure work is a major challenge for Poland and co-host Ukraine, which have to build not only stadiums to host the tournament but also roads, airports, railways and hotels.

"The crisis and the slowdown will have many consequences for the preparations... There are no more problems with finding employees... This will allow us to make much more rational deals than we previously expected," Herra said.

Herra estimated that total infrastructure work linked to the tournament would cost Poland about 20 billion euros (£18.7 billion), with most of the cash coming out of European Union funds, adding that the economic crisis would not impact the financing.

However, things are not so rosy in Ukraine, which unlike Poland is not an EU member and so does not have the same access to EU funding. The financial crisis has also badly hit the ex-Soviet republic's economy and exacerbated political tensions.

"During our last visit (to Ukraine) we received a declaration from the deputy prime minister that the funding for Euro 2012 is guaranteed by the state. For us that ends the issue," Herra said, playing down Kiev's woes.

The Ukrainian economy has taken a big hit from the global crisis, prompting the International Monetary Fund to step in with a loan now worth $17.4 billion (£11.6 billion). The value of the local hryvnia currency has halved since September.

POLISH TRANSFORMATION

For Poland, the infrastructure work needed for Euro 2012 is viewed as a timely cushion for its economic slowdown.

"The tournament is without doubt a catalyst for the infrastructure transformation Poland has to see," said Herra.

Poland was recently complimented by the UEFA head Michel Platini on the steady progress in its preparations.

Herra said Warsaw's key National Stadium project was running ahead of schedule, though he added much work remained to do.

The groundwork at the stadium is expected to end in March 2009, just in time for selection of the company that will be responsible for building the stadium itself. The construction is planned to start in April and run until mid-2011.

UEFA has often said the stadiums in Warsaw and Kiev, slated to host the opening game and the final, are the key investments required for the tournament and must be prepared if Poland and Ukraine do not want to be stripped of hosting rights.

UEFA has criticised both countries in the past for slow progress on the preparations, but Herra said by next year the results would be much more visible.

"Next year will be the time when construction works start on six stadiums, we see kick-off on extending five airports as well as railroad modernisation and road-building," Herra said. "It will also be a time of much closer cooperation with Ukraine."

This week Poland began construction of the Gdansk stadium and selected a developer for modernising the Krakow stadium. It is also expected to announce offers for construction of the Wroclaw stadium later on Friday.

http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2008/12/19/sports/OUKSP-UK-SOCCER-EURO-POLAND.php

Second City

January 15th, 2009, 05:55 AM

^^ Good news!

Triceratops

January 15th, 2009, 05:10 PM

for Poland indeed good news, but looking at all this just feeling sorry for your brother country Ukraine...

Cracovia

January 16th, 2009, 02:26 PM

For all the Swedes, Finns, Danes and so on coming to poland for Euro 2012, u will be greated by a new passanger terminal at Gdynia port along with new road and public transport infrastructure linking the the port to the city. Construction should begin in the first half of 2009, the road links are already U/C so remember to take the ferry:banana:

http://img.trojmiasto.pl/zdj/fotki_duze/12000/z12096.jpg
http://img.trojmiasto.pl/zdj/fotki_duze/12000/z12097.jpg

Also a second airport for Warsaw at Modlin was given go ahead by authorities at the begining of this year, however the news was unreported here. If all goes well, the first international flights should leave Warsaw Modlin intl in 2011. The airport will have a capacity of approx 2million passangers and is designed mainly for cheap airlines such as ryan air.

ATM
http://www.modlinairport.pl/images/upload/gal5.jpg

Future
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/7/4312/z4312607X.jpg
http://www.apaka.com.pl/media/projekty/modlin/0000000451.jpg

Triceratops

January 16th, 2009, 05:14 PM

Jasix

January 16th, 2009, 05:52 PM

National Stadium in Warsaw:

mzoTPomKI3o

Last week :banana:

J@nek

January 16th, 2009, 06:40 PM

krzysiu_

January 16th, 2009, 08:31 PM

This is so good it just can't believe Poland is able to have it done in several years!!! It seems you haven't even heard anything about the global crysis! :D Now it's all clear where main stream of fans and tourists will go for the championships! :)Looks like you don't even know what 'global crysis' is. Since materials, salarys are going down I think it's the best time to biuld something...

Baltic Arena 44,000, Gdańsk:

http://www.bieg2012.pl/klik/KlikFiles/fotogaleria/klikfoto_a7caaf9.jpg

Construction,

http://www.bieg2012.pl/klik/KlikFiles/fotogaleria/klikfoto_2f10121.jpg

Cracovia

January 16th, 2009, 11:13 PM

Cracovia, is the ferry terminal in Gdynia a project which is going forward 100%? Who is the investor; city of Gdynia? Did they get a go ahead for the construction. I did not know Poland was investing into its sea transport as well :)

The investor is the port of Gdynia
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=557019&page=4

^^all relevant info is here, im soo tired,

ufonut

January 17th, 2009, 02:35 AM

A year ago Poland initiated a project called "Orlik 2012" (Eaglet 2012). The project calls for constructing 2012 soccer pitches with supporting infrastruture (lockers, showers, lights, fencing etc). Some also include basketball and volleyball courts (at communes' discretion).

Web site can be found here www.orlik2012.pl

The goal of this project is to ensure that Polish children and youth have a clean, safe and professional environment for development. When completed it will no doubt give our young and later national squad a fresh batch of new soccer talent.

Every commune can take part in the project. So far over 308 such developments have been completed (as of the end of Dec 2008). Another several hundred are currently U/C.

Photos of every project can be found here:

http://orlik2012.pl/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=3&Itemid=20

Typical soccer field + supporting instrastructure (picked at random):

Strzalkowo:

http://www.strzalkowo.pl/pl/images/zoom/OAUVUW/viewsize/2.JPG

http://www.strzalkowo.pl/pl/images/zoom/OAUVUW/viewsize/4.JPG

Smigiel

http://www.smigiel.pl/files/upload/image/orlik/orlik25.JPG

Typical development

http://images48.fotosik.pl/45/da8a569247aa67dd.jpg

J@nek

January 17th, 2009, 06:51 AM

I have heard about the Orlik program.... at first when the government officials were talking about it I thought it was just talk and it would not work, but I am very surprised!!!!!

Over 300!!!! That is huge! Definitely a GREAT investment on behalf of our government; I would have never guessed that this would be such a success, and they look great as well:cheers:

Unfortunately, I was not able to see photos of the one built in my town
Stary Sacz. Is there an estimate with respect to how many will be built by the end of 2009?

krzysiu_

January 17th, 2009, 12:24 PM

Couldn't find it tho. And I also couldn't find how many "orlik's" they want to build till 2012. As far as I remember they're going to build 2000 sport fields called orlik.

Triceratops

January 17th, 2009, 08:20 PM

ok, this "Orlik" is sure a good project of contry devepolment, no doubt, but how is it connected with EURO 2012?? guys, as it was mentioned before, let's stick to preparations for the Tournament itself! 'cos I think there is very much stuff that is based on country's develoment but which has nothing with EURO, even in Ukraine!

J@nek

January 17th, 2009, 09:28 PM

Jasix

January 17th, 2009, 10:34 PM

Couldn't find it tho. And I also couldn't find how many "orlik's" they want to build till 2012. As far as I remember they're going to build 2000 sport fields called orlik.

Firstly it was planned to build 2012 Orliks till 2012, but number of it will be bigger than that, it has been already confirmed. End OT :)

krzysiu_

January 17th, 2009, 11:22 PM

bigger means..? 2013? ;) As far as I know they wanted to build around 500 in 2008 but there was not enough constructors/building firms to build that much, what was ever more funny, they had money for all those orliks in 2008, maybe in 2009 they'll take some builders from abroad...

krzysiu_

January 18th, 2009, 12:15 PM

National Stadium in Warsaw:

http://images31.fotosik.pl/439/82d0f2a0a538d5a3.jpg

http://images36.fotosik.pl/50/4f1200b6d2db203e.jpg

http://images43.fotosik.pl/50/fe35aa775efc45b8.jpg

http://images35.fotosik.pl/50/fe3fdfd232ab211b.jpg

http://images26.fotosik.pl/315/a1d6cf71e837476c.jpg

http://images44.fotosik.pl/50/591232077821d670.jpg

http://images34.fotosik.pl/439/9b9e0f44a94d4c05.jpg

http://images39.fotosik.pl/50/05d25add65aeefe0.jpg

KruEv

January 19th, 2009, 07:07 PM

FC Metallist stadium in Kharkiv (January 2009)

http://metallist.kharkov.ua/images/stories/foto_pod_tekst/stadio_09-01-09/34.jpg

http://metallist.kharkov.ua/images/stories/foto_pod_tekst/stadio_09-01-09/39.jpg

http://metallist.kharkov.ua/images/stories/foto_pod_tekst/stadio_09-01-09/37.jpg

http://metallist.kharkov.ua/images/stories/foto_pod_tekst/stadio_09-01-09/35.jpg

http://metallist.kharkov.ua/images/stories/foto_pod_tekst/stadio_09-01-09/24.jpg

http://metallist.kharkov.ua/images/stories/foto_pod_tekst/roof_jan09/02.jpg

http://metallist.kharkov.ua/images/stories/foto_pod_tekst/roof_jan09/01.jpg

http://metallist.kharkov.ua/images/stories/foto_pod_tekst/roof_jan09/04.jpg

http://metallist.kharkov.ua/images/stories/foto_pod_tekst/roof_jan09/05.jpg

http://metallist.kharkov.ua/images/stories/foto_pod_tekst/roof_jan09/12.jpg

:banana::banana::banana:

Cracovia

January 19th, 2009, 08:33 PM

nice one

6opuC

January 19th, 2009, 09:14 PM

I d say its not ;/ well, great that we see progress, but... Metalist is the one of the ugliest stadiums on E2012 :ohno:

TwItCH

January 20th, 2009, 03:07 AM

Why must you start shit?

PL2012

January 20th, 2009, 04:35 AM

Lets see some pics from POAND!!!

J@nek

January 20th, 2009, 05:37 AM

Why must you start shit?

How is he starting shit if he is ethnically Ukrainian, criticising a Ukrainian stadium??

Cracovia

January 20th, 2009, 08:32 AM

Why must you start shit?

It is his opinion which he is alowed to voice, commenting on the beauty of a structure is not shit starting.:nuts: honestly i think its pretty ugly to, but its nice to see progress, i think most Ukranians will agree its the poorest quality stadium for Euro2012 on their side.

6opuC

January 20th, 2009, 10:22 AM

December, Donetsk

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/1208/1.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/1208/2.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/1208/3.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/1208/4.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/1208/5.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/1208/6.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/1208/7.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/1208/8.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/1208/9.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/1208/10.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/1208/11.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/1208/12.jpg
http://donbass-arena.com/ru/media/foto/foto_1208/

DJRexxx

January 20th, 2009, 12:18 PM

Nice !! The best stadium on E2012

krzysiu_

January 20th, 2009, 01:17 PM

Best, already built stadium you forgot to add...But since it's e2012 not e2009, I suggest you to wait till summer 2011 with those "the best" . For me this stadium is just ok. No more no less...

6opuC

January 21st, 2009, 12:55 AM

December, Lviv

http://www.phl.ua/files/2009/01/20/35103/281202_large.JPG
http://www.phl.ua/files/2009/01/20/35103/281203_large.JPG
http://www.phl.ua/files/2009/01/20/35103/281208_large.JPG
http://www.phl.ua/files/2009/01/20/35103/281209_large.JPG
http://www.phl.ua/files/2009/01/20/35103/281204_large.JPG

Triceratops

January 21st, 2009, 06:42 PM

OMG, what happened here!? so much updates from Ukraine for just couple days!! :D Thanks guys, finally the situation clears up in UA! Honestly, I must agree with those who find Metalist stadium in Kharkiv ugly - sadly but it is true, because that's mostly Soviet design, which has a big influence even nowadays on modern structures' architecture in Ukraine...:ohno:

NeoPolak

January 21st, 2009, 06:45 PM

New train between Poland and Ukraine for EURO 2012

20.01.2009

Polish National Railways announced today that the Krakow-Lvov rail line will reopen in May of this year with the goal of connecting the two countries in preparation for the EURO2012 championships.

Thanks to new technological innovations and renewing of the tracks, the length of the journey between the two cities will be shorter by three hours. The wagons on the line will use the SUW2000 system – a system that allows the wagons to change rail-widths without having to change train cars.

This system allows trains to travel between the Ukraine and Poland in a time of seven hours –previously the same journey took ten hours.

This investment project is one of the many projects that are aimed at preparing Poland and the Ukraine to co-host the European Football Championships in 2012.

Polish National Railways announced as well that the train will stop in Przemysl and Chelma, in order to allow transfers to local transportation.

http://www.polskieradio.pl/thenews/business/?id=100481

6opuC

January 21st, 2009, 08:19 PM

yeep triceratops... I agree with 100%..

Wolds Mariner

January 21st, 2009, 10:29 PM

Pleasing to see that significant apparent progress is being made. I still don't really understand why either country couldn't bid on their own, but at least things look like they're now moving forward compared to just a few months ago.

krzysiu_

January 21st, 2009, 11:35 PM

J@nek

January 22nd, 2009, 12:32 AM

Well, in Poland it's possible and tbh people were counting on it, that Ukraine won't make it and e2012 will be only in Poland. I guess there's no chance for that atm...Now it's just matter of how many cities in Ukraine and and how many in Poland, Uefa is going to pick...What about e2012 in Ukraine only... Since there's a huuuge problems with hotels...Actually, there's almost no hotels + many other problems which won't be solved till 2012 (railways, roads, airports etc)... It's impossible...

Krzysiu, dont say that 'people were counting on it'!!! Come on, it is a joint organization and I think people are happy on both sides. Dont say that we were counting on organizaing it alone, without Ukraine because its not fair to them; they are the ones that came up with the idea in the first place.

If you ask which nation would be more prepared to organize such sport event independently, well I think the answer to that is obvious and does not need further discussion, however this will not happen in 2012:lol:

Cracovia

January 22nd, 2009, 01:35 AM

Yea i would agree, no one was counting on Ukraine's failure

Cracovia

January 22nd, 2009, 01:37 AM

http://www.2012.org.pl/news/news?r%2Carticle%2CarticleId=2250

PKP PLK: we will complete the modernisation of railway lines before EURO 2012

PKP Polskie Linie Kolejowe will be ready with the implementation of the plan of modernisation of railway infrastructure for EURO 2012 – ensured Agnieszka Safuta-Pawlak, member of PKP PLK Board during the meeting with the press held on Thursday.

In total, by May 2012, within the framework of preparations for the European Football Championship, PKP PLK will modernise 9 railway sections with total length of almost a thousand kilometres. By 2008 modernisation covered almost 450 km. By May 2012 another 540 km will be completed and put into operation.

"An impulse for the commencement of modernisation works on such a large scale laid not only in the fact that Poland was selected as a co-host of European Football Championship EURO 2012, but also in the accession to the European Union, which gave PLK an opportunity to make use of European funds", explained PKP PLK. Only in 2000-2003 Polish railway authorities were granted EU funds in the amount of EUR 876 million.

The funds, which will be used by PLK for the railway infrastructural investments under EURO 2012 shall amount to PLN 18 billion. These funds will be used by PLK to modernise lines connecting host cities of EURO 2012.

The most important investments under the Railway programme for 2012 is to modernise the following sections: Warsaw – Łódź, Warsaw – Terespol, Zgorzelec – Opole, Rzeszów – state border, Warsaw – Gdańsk, Wrocław – Poznań, Poznań Rail Junction, Warsaw Rail Junction, Warsaw – International Airport Okęcie and section Kraków – International Airport Balice.

"Modernisation works will involve not only the replacement of tracks and contact lines, but also construction or modernisation of bridges, overpasses, pedestrian underpasses, railway passes, platforms and expenditure relating to environmental protection" informed PKP PLK.

The company believes that due to such modernisation passenger safety will improve, and the time of travel in these routes will shorten considerably.

The travel time on selected routes will decrease, respectively: at the Warsaw Central Station - Wrocław Główny (via Poznań) - from 308 minutes to 260 minutes; Warsaw Central Station – Gdańsk Główny - from 270 minutes to 180 minutes, Warsaw Central Station - Łódź Fabryczna - from 90 minutes to 70 minutes, Warsaw Central Station – Terespol - from 195 minutes to 125 minutes, Wrocław Główny – Węgliniec – Gorlitz from 160 minutes to 85 minutes.

PKP Polskie Linie Kolejowe S.A. belongs to PKP Group and is a company responsible for the management of the State railway network.

And also

Poland finalises motorway contracts
A contract for construction of a 180 kilometre section of the A1 motorway is to be signed on Thursday, ‘Rzeczpospolita’ daily reports quoting ‘reliable sources’.
According to the newspaper the contract will go to Autostrada Południe, a consortium of Budimex, Cintra Concessiones and Ferrovial-Agroman construction and development companies.
Budimex, who owns a 5% stake in the consortium, hopes that at least 50% of the construction costs estimated at EUR 2 billion will be covered by the European Investment Bank.
‘Rzeczpospolita’ also writes that an agreement on the construction of a 92-km section of A2 motorway from Łódź, central Poland, to Warsaw may be signed on the same day. The bidders include Autostrada Południe and Autostrada Mazowsze, a joint venture of Stalexport and the Italian company Autostrade.
http://www.polishmarket.com.pl/document/:19003?p=%2FMONITOR+GOSPODARCZY%2F

Tender to build second stretch of A4 now in progress

The General Directorate for National Roads and Motorways has announced a tender to build the second fragment of the A4 motorway between Szarow and Tarnow.
The 57 km section is to be ready by Q2 2011 and on its completion the A4 will run from Poland’s western border at Zgorzelec, via Katowice and Krakow to Tarnow. The investment has been divided into three separate projects (Szarow-Brzesko, Brzesko-Wierzchoslawice and Wierzchoslawice-Krzyz), and bids can be submitted up to 2 February this year. Construction work will begin simultaneously on all three stretches of the planned route, which will be a class A dual carriageway. It will feature four communications junctions and six service stations.
http://constructionpoland.com/next.php?id=68282

krzysiu_

January 22nd, 2009, 12:26 PM

Yea i would agree, no one was counting on Ukraine's failureI can easily find tons of articles about it...I'm not saying that it was me or everybody but many other people...And you can also switch word 'counting' to 'would be happy'...w/e. Ofc, it woudn't be fair. And I really want to see those matches in Ukr. and Pol. I just hope that our team won't lose 3 matches in the groupstage :lol:

Locke

January 22nd, 2009, 02:57 PM

I just hope that our team won't lose 3 matches in the groupstage :lol:

They won't, they'll lose the first two and then win the last one once it doesn't matter.

On the subject of trains, what's the latest on the TGV's. I hear 2018 or something? Good that they are going for a proper full high speed system and not some Pendolino cheapie stuff.

Triceratops

January 22nd, 2009, 04:02 PM

Want to hear about Rail Baltica project, which will cover a destination from Warsaw (or maybe even from Berlin) till Helsinki (actually till Tallinn) with high speed trains! Are there any preparations going ahead in Poland concerning this EU-finanaced project?

Warsawbynight

January 22nd, 2009, 09:15 PM

The contract for A1 Stryków-Pyrzowice motorway (180 km) has been signed today!!

We are waiting still for A2 Stryków-Konotopa and Warsaw will finally have it's motorway connection!!

Jasix

January 24th, 2009, 10:02 AM

The contract for A1 Stryków-Pyrzowice motorway (180 km) has been signed today!!

We are waiting still for A2 Stryków-Konotopa and Warsaw will finally have it's motorway connection!!

http://img.mojeauto.pl//8/74/874d0644302a019fb221f84b7f229697.600x400.jpg

Stryków - Pyrzowice :)

paku

January 24th, 2009, 01:04 PM

Euro 2012 co-hosts Poland and Ukraine make progress; work still ahead
11 hours ago

WARSAW, Poland — Poland and Ukraine have earned UEFA's endorsement - again - for the 2012 European Championship after months of speculation that they'd lose the tournament.

Recent visits to host cities, however, reveal the giant task that lies ahead.

The jubilation that erupted in Poland and Ukraine after UEFA's April 2007 decision to award them European football's showcase event turned to fear last year as false starts on the construction of stadiums, roads, airports and hotels in both countries fuelled speculation UEFA could dump the eastern Europeans and hand the tournament to a backup host - possibly Italy, Germany or Scotland.

Those concerns have subsided following a successful meeting with UEFA chief Michel Platini in December. The former French star came out of the session saying he has "full confidence in Euro 2012 in Poland and Ukraine."

Proving Platini right won't be easy.

While some progress has been made, recent visits by Associated Press reporters to five of the eight planned host cities indicate both nations have a long slog ahead of them.

With 3 1/2 years to go, Ukraine decidedly has the tougher task, a job made all the more difficult by rampant corruption, poor management and endless political turmoil.

Preparations in the western Ukrainian city of Lviv, nestled in rolling hills about 70 kilometres from the Polish border, lag the furthest behind.

A crumbling, one-lane road riddled with potholes runs from the border to Lviv, winding though towns and villages along the way. Chickens peck at the muddy shoulder in some spots, while in others dogs wander across the pavement.

The city's airport dates from the late 1950s. The main waiting lounge is no larger than a tennis court and doesn't have a bathroom.

Work has begun, however, on a new 33,000-seat stadium near the city's southern bypass that provides easy access to the main road east to Kyiv.

Preparations are more advanced in Ukraine's three other host cities - Kyiv, Donetsk and Dnipropetrovsk - although the trio are all grappling with problems, too.

In the capital Kyiv, after a nearly yearlong delay, work has finally begun on a US$260 million overhaul of the Olympic Stadium, which is slated to be finished in 2010 and opened in 2011. The arena is to host the tournament final, and UEFA has warned that without a renovated stadium Ukraine will not co-host Euro 2012.

Donetsk already boasts a brand new stadium built by the owner of a local club, while Dnipropetrovsk should finish its stadium in the coming months.

Yet everywhere Ukraine's infrastructure - including airports, roads and hotels - is badly in need of an upgrade.

The country has to add or modernize runways and build new terminals in all of the host cities. Construction work is already under way at Kyiv's two airports and in Donetsk, but the Lviv landing strip and terminal are still on the drawing board.

The country also has vowed to upgrade thousands of kilometres of dilapidated roads. Outside the main cities, they are often little more than cracked and crumbling single lanes.

Ukraine's underdeveloped hotel system is still dominated by shabby and expensive Soviet-era hotels, few of which currently accept credit cards.

Deputy Prime Minister Ivan Vasyunyk, who was in charge of the Euro 2012 preparations, said the country has to build and renovate a total of 300 hotels, about 100 of which are still being designed. But the former head of Ukraine's organizing committee, Yevhen Chervonenko, said that construction of 80 per cent of the hotels that need to be built have been frozen due to the economic crisis.

Ukrainian officials estimate the entire project will cost around $30 billion - a third coming from state coffers and the rest from private investors.

But the world's financial turmoil has devastated Ukraine's economy, raising concerns the country may not be able to raise the necessary funds. Ukraine's currency, the hryvna, has lost about 40 per cent of its value since September, the banking sector lies in tatters, and the economy is plunging into a deep recession.

The situation is further complicated by a bitter power struggle between Prime Minister Julia Tymoshenko and her former political ally, President Viktor Yushchenko. The two leaders are likely opponents in presidential elections expected in late 2009 or early 2010, and both are eager to take credit for Euro 2012 and control the vast funds set aside for the project.

Poland, meanwhile, has settled back down to business following a nasty spat in the autumn with FIFA and UEFA after the Polish government ousted the football association board. UEFA threatened to strip the Poles of their hosting rights before the government and the FA struck a last-minute deal.

Along the banks of the Vistula River in central Warsaw, workers in hard hats and orange vests swarm across an open muddy pit as giant machines rhythmically pound concrete beams into the earth to reinforce the ground at the site of the new 55,000-seat national stadium.

In Poznan, a new double-deck of blue seats stands behind one goal while a new triple-deck of seats sits finished behind the other. Wrecking crews have torn down the old concrete stands along the sidelines, and the fully renovated 46,000-seat stadium is to be ready by the summer of 2010.

In the two other host cities - Wroclaw and Gdansk - heavy machinery has already started laying the ground work, and general construction is slated to start this spring. Both are slated to be finished by 2010.

"It looks as though the stadiums will be finished in time, but it's doubtful they'll manage to get all the roads built," says Dariusz Wolowski, a veteran soccer journalist for the country's leading Gazeta Wyborcza daily. "Will they manage to expand the airports in time? Tough to say."

Poland's roadways are generally in better shape than Ukraine's, but still fall far short of the autobahns in Austria and Switzerland that allowed fans to speed from one host city to another last year.

As of this month, there were 765 kilometres of existing autobahns in Poland. According to the Infrastructure Ministry, the country plans to build 900 kilometres of new highways by 2012. The only problem is that - if its current pace of construction continues - only a third of those roads will be built by kickoff.

"We are all fully aware that the risks in this project are huge, and that we have a lot of work ahead," says Marcin Herra, head of the Polish organizing committee. But, he adds confidently, the tournament "is going to be in Poland and Ukraine."

Associated Press writers Maria Danilova and Yuras Karmanau contributed to this report from Kyiv, Ukraine.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5hDC_lhHWy4ixRg3zkuOuNH4Ws3bg

Triceratops

January 24th, 2009, 03:56 PM

Finally an article that opens our eyes on the whole tournament ongoing preparations! Thanks, paku! :)

Jasix

January 24th, 2009, 06:44 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Znak_D7.svg/150px-Znak_D7.svg.png

I would like to write a post about Express Roads in Poland. Entire post will be in a few parts, lets say 5 roads per post. I hope you will enjoy it :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Tabliczka_S1.svg/120px-Tabliczka_S1.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S1.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S1.svg.png

Pyrzowice – Cieszyn-Boguszowice-Chotěbuz. It will have 130 km long, 75 is already built. It will connect autobahn A1 in Pyrzowice and Czech's Republic express road R48. U/C is 3 km - Bielsko-Biała bypass.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/S1_1.JPG/800px-S1_1.JPG

S1 near Bielsko-Biała

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/51/Tabliczka_S2.svg/120px-Tabliczka_S2.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S2.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S2.svg.png

In plan there is 40 km of this road, unfortunately for now 0 km is U/C. It will be south Warsaw bypass.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Tabliczka_S3.svg/120px-Tabliczka_S3.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S3.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S3.svg.png

Świnoujście – Lubawka. It will have 470 km long, 90 km is built, another 90 is U/C.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/DK3_Mi%C4%99dzyzdroje.jpg/800px-DK3_Mi%C4%99dzyzdroje.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/S3_Wolin_Most.jpg/800px-S3_Wolin_Most.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Tabliczka_S5.svg/120px-Tabliczka_S5.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S5.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S5.svg.png

Nowe Marzy (A1) – Wrocław. It will have 400 km long, 40 km is bulit, 11 km is U/C.

http://korespondentdrogowy.pl/galeria/kable/Droga_S_5/Droga_S_5_0d.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Tabliczka_S6.svg/120px-Tabliczka_S6.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S6.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S6.svg.png

Goleniów – Gdańsk. It will have 330 km long, 39 km is built, 17 km is U/C

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/G04_ubt.jpeg

Jasix

January 24th, 2009, 07:56 PM

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S7.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S7.svg.png

Gdańsk-Rabka. It will have 720 km long, 105 km is built, 50 km is U/C

http://krakow.gddkia.gov.pl/gddkia/aktualnosci/2etap_radzikowskiego3.jpg

http://krakow.gddkia.gov.pl/gddkia/aktualnosci/2etap_radzikowskiego4.jpg

http://krakow.gddkia.gov.pl/gddkia/aktualnosci/2etap_radzikowskiego1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Bialobrzegi-s7.jpg/800px-Bialobrzegi-s7.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Tabliczka_S8.svg/120px-Tabliczka_S8.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S8.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S8.svg.png

Wrocław-Psie Pole -Budzisko (border with Lithuania). It will have 680 km, 35 km is built, 30 km is U/C

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/S-8.obejscieOlesnicy.jpg/800px-S-8.obejscieOlesnicy.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Tabliczka_S10.svg/120px-Tabliczka_S10.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S10.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S10.svg.png

Szczecin-Płońsk. It will have 460 km long, 37 km is built, 32 km is U/C

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Torun-Czerniewice_most.jpg/800px-Torun-Czerniewice_most.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Tabliczka_S11.svg/120px-Tabliczka_S11.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S11.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S11.svg.png

Kołobrzeg-Pyrzowice. It will have 600 km long, 10 km is built, 22 km is U/C

http://www.colas.pl/www/userfiles/Image/realizacje/s11/S11_Poland.jpg

http://www.colas.pl/www/userfiles/Image/realizacje/s11/S11_Poland%202.jpg

http://www.colas.pl/www/userfiles/Image/realizacje/s11/S11_Poland_night.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Tabliczka_S12.svg/120px-Tabliczka_S12.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S12.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S12.svg.png

Piotrków Trybunalski - Dorohusk (border with Ukraine). It will have 315 km long, 17 is built, 0 km is U/C

http://josviaque.blox.pl/resource/pulawy1.jpg

Triceratops

January 24th, 2009, 08:04 PM

Thanks! That's awesome to see such progress in Poland!! :cheers:

Jasix

January 24th, 2009, 08:48 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Tabliczka_S14.svg/120px-Tabliczka_S14.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S14.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S14.svg.png

West Bypass of Łódź. It will have 40 km, unfortunately 0 km is built, and 0 km is U/C

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Tabliczka_S17.svg/120px-Tabliczka_S17.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S17.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S17.svg.png

Warszawa-Hrebenne (border with Ukraine) It will have 310 km, 19 km is built.

http://img.mojeauto.pl//6/38/6383ec9462b8214b451069709dccbdcf.600x400.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/Tabliczka_S19.svg/120px-Tabliczka_S19.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S19.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S19.svg.png

Barwinek(border with Slovakia)-Kuźnica Białostocka(border with Belarussa) It will have 570 km, 6km is built, another 6 is U/C

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Tabliczka_S22.svg/120px-Tabliczka_S22.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S22.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S22.svg.png

Elbląg-Grzechotki-Mamonowo It has got 50,6 km and it's all finished :cheers:

http://img.mojeauto.pl//3/33/3333528bbcc6994f53b931c07b803b21.600x400.jpg

http://img.mojeauto.pl//8/4e/84efd6e81c6f987def2f58ecb8a6d53d.600x400.jpg

http://img.mojeauto.pl//4/3d/43d3e14045656d2a5fac4916b562c6b2.600x400.jpg

http://img.mojeauto.pl//4/c9/4c9a744b1ba9124c6c817912acc9f5bd.600x400.jpg

Jasix

January 24th, 2009, 09:03 PM

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S51.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S51.svg.png

Olsztyn-Olsztynek, It will have 25 km. 0 km is built, and 0 is currently U/C :bash:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Tabliczka_S69.svg/120px-Tabliczka_S69.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S69.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S69.svg.png

Bielsko-Biała (S1) – Żywiec – Zwardoń/Myto-Skalité (border with Slovakia). It will have 48 km long, 17 km is built, 12 km is U/C

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Wiadukt_nad_kameszniczanka.jpg/800px-Wiadukt_nad_kameszniczanka.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Tabliczka_S74.svg/120px-Tabliczka_S74.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S74.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S74.svg.png

Sulejów- Nisko. It will have 215 km. 0 is built and U/C :ohno:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Tabliczka_S79.svg/120px-Tabliczka_S79.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S79.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S79.svg.png

Warszawa- Okęcie airport 0 km is built, 0 U/C :nuts:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Tabliczka_S86.svg/120px-Tabliczka_S86.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S86.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S86.svg.png

Katowice-Sosnowiec. It has got 7 km, and it is all finished :cheers:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Droga_ekspresowa_S86.jpg/800px-Droga_ekspresowa_S86.jpg

That is all express roads in Poland at the moment. We have got circa 550 km of express roads in use from circa 5745 km being planned. 243,7 km is U/C. So much work to do!

Cracovia

January 25th, 2009, 01:56 AM

hahahaha

Iluminat

January 25th, 2009, 02:24 AM

^^ http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=31244140#post31244140

ufonut

January 25th, 2009, 05:37 AM

Jasix, excellent job but I would add stats on tenders since quite a few of them are pending or about to be announced. That would give our readers a much better and broader picture as far as progress is concerned.

For example:

Total length | Tenders | U/C

adas22

January 25th, 2009, 07:21 AM

I'm afraid that Ukraine won't be ready for 2012, they just dont have money, and now they are in recession, just look at this data:

Ukraine:

GDP (official exchange rate)
$198 billion (2008 est.)

GDP - per capita (PPP):
$7,800 (2008 est.)

Inflation rate (consumer prices):
25% (2008 est.)

Poland:

GDP (official exchange rate):
$567.4 billion (2008 est.)

GDP - per capita (PPP):
$17,800 (2008 est.)

Inflation rate (consumer prices):
4.3% (2008 est.)

source:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/

Jasix

January 25th, 2009, 10:01 AM

hahahaha

What are you laughing at? :?

rakim

January 25th, 2009, 10:33 AM

I'm afraid that Ukraine won't be ready for 2012, they just dont have money, and now they are in recession, just look at this data:

This is not so important. UEFA knows well this data, but gave us both the organisation. If anything to compare, we can better look at the budgets of Poland and Ukraine in 2008 and 2009.

krzysiu_

January 25th, 2009, 11:14 AM

Jasix, excellent jobPLEASE! This isn't a thread about the roads ffs...What's the point of posting same photos in 10 different threads?

Jasix

January 25th, 2009, 01:03 PM

^^ I thought it would be nice to give our readers, a better and broader picture about a progress being made in our country - they know everything about our stadiums, they know little about our autobahns and express roads . I'm quite sure they want to know how our roads looks like :nuts:

krzysiu_

January 25th, 2009, 01:44 PM

Even tho we already have a thread about roads...Ofc it's good but...|Info + photo would be better then tons of photos...And I couldn't find an approximate date, when uefa is going to announce how official logo and maskote are gonna look like...Maybe some of you might know that...? I'm curious...

Jasix

January 25th, 2009, 02:51 PM

I've heard something about fall 2009, but I don't know nothing more about it

Triceratops

January 25th, 2009, 07:54 PM

they know little about our autobahns and express roads . I'm quite sure they want to know how our roads looks like :nuts:

well, exactly roads is what Polish forumers mostly post here.. believe me, there's no need at this moment to show it, for this time we are quite fed up with all these pics being posted every week. it would be much better if you f.i. could post pics of Ukrainian roads! :)

krzysiu_

January 25th, 2009, 08:41 PM

Ask ukr. forumers...But there might be nothing to post...

Nate

January 26th, 2009, 12:37 AM

Ask ukr. forumers...But there might be nothing to post...

From what I know, quite a few of the Ukrainian forumers don't know english, so it is difficult for them to participate here... and another part could be that whenever something is posted, it is always insulted, so what's the point of posting anything here?

krzysiu_

January 26th, 2009, 02:03 AM

Nate

January 26th, 2009, 05:45 AM

Whenever means 1 update per year, right? And this is not an english lesson,so no one will tell anything if it's gonna be engrish, it doesn't really matter tho. And if you know english well, you could share some informations with us since people asked for it...

I know english well - it's my first language - I'm just learning Ukrainian, so I don't know Ukrainian well enough to know what it being said for updates. So I can't really share anything.

And whenever means just a couple pages back when there were some updates on the roads, they weren't good enough because they didn't have crash barriers, or when the stadiums are shown, it's not good enough because there isn't enough of other construction, or when a new hotel is shown, it's not good enough because there aren't pictures of more.

From the looks of this thread, the Ukrainians have really just stopped coming here, which is a shame.

PL2012

January 26th, 2009, 06:15 AM

The Ukrain may have stadiums ahead of Poland but what roads or infastructure do they have?

ILITS

January 26th, 2009, 12:59 PM

I can explain you, why where are no any updates from Ukraine. The economic problems are not the reason, they're just result. The reason is that, what Ukraine has no citizens. It has territory, but has no statehood. Ukraine didn't fight for freedom in 1980's, the independence was presented to it for free. The 99,9% ukrainians never wanted to be free. They always wanted good car, house, big garden and happy family, fenced in one comfortable and personal yard. Ukrainians has deeply feudal views. They will agree for any senior, if he'll make they life easy and comfortable. But it's just half of Ukraine .
People who supported Yanookovich on 2004 election, are not ukrainians at all. They were brought in eastern areas of out country, by Imperial Government, to convert all ukrainian territory into Russia.
This people have no idea what is Ukraine, and what is the sense of its existence.
The president of Ukraine is ukrainian, and he win last time, but he see nothing further, than his office. He use power for personal needs, to make his family and friends richer, and for no more.
Local authorities are the same. Nothing will be build in Ukraine, if executive officer will not receive good profit from this. I stress, it's not a kickback, than government see something advanageous, it will control it.
There are no mafia in Ukraine. Offender breaks the law, and in our country when you are honest - you are nobody. Higher authoriries - bigger bandit.
Nobody cares Ukraine national ideas - NOBODY.
There are only two ways for this contry - banana republic, or reunion with Moscow Empire.
Nothing will be build. There is no hope.
In 1991, we had one of the best armies the world, industrial complex, natural resources, we had the best scientists and education system in the world. And now we have nothing.
Ukraine is the stillborn, the zombie on the world map, and soon it will disappear.
ps sorry for bad english

Kaski

January 26th, 2009, 01:45 PM

ruslan33

January 26th, 2009, 02:33 PM

ILITS

January 26th, 2009, 03:03 PM

^^
Right... But still, Juszczenko won couple of years ago, and I do not think that his voters hoped that he will make them rich right away. So, they hoped for something different than just a quiet yard for their own and nothing else, I guess… :)

It was 5 years ago.
Maybe they wanted, but they still did nothing to aprove they ideas.
So called "orange revolution" was usual hippy session. People were listening music and weawing flags, thinking, that they doing something special for the country.
And in the same time, this liar Yuschenko was dealing with president Kuchma, for better terms. On Independende Square, Yuschenko called this man the biggest enemy of Ukraine, and promised to people, what Kuchma, and his accomplices, will go to jail. But now, Kuchma's family is the best friends of Yuschenko's famuly and one of the richest family in Europe. The people, what were with Kuchma, are all billionaires. And usual ukrainian citizen - are the poorest in Europe.
What our people doing? Nothing.

rakim

January 26th, 2009, 03:29 PM

^^ It's sad, but thanks for the words of truth.
The worst is that, the only choice you have in next election is Yanukovych or Tymoshenko.

krzysiu_

January 26th, 2009, 03:45 PM

ILITS

January 26th, 2009, 05:08 PM

What are you trying to say ILITS is that 99,9% ukr. people do not want their country to join nato, eu..etc.? Ofc Russia, Belarus...might say eu is BAAAAD, but if you ask all those countries which currently are in eu...They have quite opposite opinion about eu...I would really like to see you guys joining atleast nato in the next couple of years, and in the future - to eu!

No. I said, what ukrainians prefer better life in colony, than a visional independence, with permanent fight with Moscow. Freedom requires some efforts and deprivation, it requires ability to think free and make choice.
Ukrainians are not opponents of integration. It's well known...
The most of us will vote for membership in EU. Because everybody think, what in EU they will get opportunity to find new work, new life in prosperous Europe.
But do Europe need us? 40 millions of cheap workers, horrible corruption, unprotected borders, and a lot of voices in eu parliament?
Nobody here wants to understand, what we must ourself make Ukraine developed counrty, before we'll get chance to join eu.
But everybody wants to get all, and in one moment.
That's why we so selfdestructly wasting our time!

krzysiu_

January 26th, 2009, 05:23 PM

But do Europe need us? 40 millions of cheap workers, horrible corruption, unprotected borders, and a lot of voices in eu parliament? And you already answered to your question...You should join just becuase of those aspects you mentioned above...You think it will be easier to change it if you won't join? F..k no! It will be 100 times harder (impossible?). Ofc it's all up to eu members but I'm pretty sure Poland and some other countries will support you...

Triceratops

January 26th, 2009, 05:36 PM

krzysiu_

January 26th, 2009, 07:01 PM

@Triceratops: Since all your posts are: "I like this"or "I don't like that" without any relevent information...Please do not call somebody a troll cause your your behavior is trolling imo... ILITS wasn't offending anybody...

Triceratops

January 26th, 2009, 07:47 PM

ILITS wasn't offending anybody...

exactly!! he was trolling his native country! I find this absolutely incorrectly and disgustingly! :ohno: that's not how it should be done (I mean senseless country's offending) - it's all up to him to make the things better in his country 'cos it is he and the rest each inhabitant of Ukraine who must care about his country's improvement!! :banana:

J@nek

January 26th, 2009, 07:49 PM

ILITS, you present a very interesting approach. I am too in favour of UA joining NATO an the EU eventually, but it almost seems like only the western part is willing to do so.

Big Cat

January 26th, 2009, 08:19 PM

[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/PL_droga_ekspresowa_S8.svg/610px-PL_droga_ekspresowa_S8.svg.png

Wrocław-Psie Pole -Budzisko (border with Lithuania). It will have 680 km, 35 km is built, 30 km is U/C

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/S-8.obejscieOlesnicy.jpg/800px-S-8.obejscieOlesnicy.jpg

Jasix, it is so nice to see that there are plans in Poland to upgrade this road. :cheers: Do you know how many km of this road Poland is planning to upgrade till 2012?

ruslan33

January 26th, 2009, 08:59 PM

@ILITS, what kind of Ukraine hater are you?? :weird: Living in a country and bashing her so, that's just marasmus.. You're such a troll!! Why instead of offending your country you can't just post something, concerning preparation works? :ohno:

This is a democratic forum and if a Ukrainian wants to tell the truth about he's country it is he's business. He is right, Ukraine is in a political, economic and chaotic mess that I personally also think Ukraine won't make it till 2012. :ohno:

krzysiu_

January 26th, 2009, 09:33 PM

Till 2012 they'll have 4-5 new/modernized stadiums. They still might have crappy roads, not enough hotels etc. But I think it's more about atmosphere, people...So I'm pretty sure they'll make...

Majestic

January 26th, 2009, 10:20 PM

The major problem with hotels is that no private investor is going to dump money in a one-time show. I mean, is EURO going to suddenly attract masses of tourists to rather industrial and not particularly appealing cities of let's say Dnipropetrovsk or Donetsk (no offence intended)? Honestly, I don't think so.

Or is the issue of accomodation going to be resolved by local or federal authorities (public-owned hotels)? How is the maintenance problem going to be sorted out then?

Jasix

January 27th, 2009, 01:53 PM

Big Cat -> This is express road S8. For now only 40 km of it have status of S (bypasses of Oleśnica, Wyszków, Radzymin and Ostrów Mazowiecki - whole road will have circa 680 km). I know that till 2012 should be done another 200 km of it or so unfortunately mostly on track Wrocław - Warszawa. You should also know that this road is very unlucky. There are many protests and conflicts with local authorities and it's final direction is still changing.

Baltic Arena:

http://kamera.2012.org.pl/004454AB88C3.jpg?random=0.35426189593317325

:cheers:

6opuC

January 27th, 2009, 02:37 PM

Matthew222

January 27th, 2009, 04:34 PM

exactly!! he was trolling his native country! I find this absolutely incorrectly and disgustingly! :ohno: that's not how it should be done (I mean senseless country's offending) - it's all up to him to make the things better in his country 'cos it is he and the rest each inhabitant of Ukraine who must care about his country's improvement!! :banana:

Better care about yourself one and show what Latvia have to offer anyones knwo , and how can you call Latvians moaning about themself country on Nordic Baltic in what poo hole you are at them moment and how crap is that ?? ,dont forget where youre from coz your hipocratic troll . And your '' Yes i like it or no I dont like it , do it better '' are pitty irritating honey . Cover over Dinasour !

Triceratops

January 27th, 2009, 05:04 PM

Better care about yourself one and show what Latvia have to offer anyones knwo , and how can you call Latvians moaning about themself country on Nordic Baltic in what poo hole you are at them moment and how crap is that ?? ,dont forget where youre from coz youre damn hipocratic troll . And youre '' Yes i like it or no I dont like it , do it better '' are f....ing irritating pitty donkey.

actually I do really care about my native country, but samely I do about my two root countries - Poland and Ukraine!! :) and there's no reason to compare LV in this thread, even if it is in similar bad sitiuation as Ukraine.. why are showing your offensive temper towards those, where the situation is worse than in your country? in your place, I'd just stay calm and simply boast what your country has to offer, how better it goes there, what are the improvements.. relax, you must be very proud that Poland is preparing for the tournament way much better than does Ukraine.. ;) at least it would better for some Polish forumer to understand and stop bashing Ukraine :ohno:

Matthew222

January 27th, 2009, 05:15 PM

So let everyone have their opinion about what they think and dont call anyones Troll if hes talk sceptic about anyones country and their sittuation over preaparing Euro 2012 , its just irritating try to understand . You call bloke who have hes own view Ukrainian Hater just beacouse he say sceptic think about whats going on there , sorry but i dont think you know more about sittuation over there them him being ''Ukrainian'' even if hes not .... I just please you to think and stop getting excite this turnament start in 3 and half year so lots to go ... PS. Its f**in free of speach for sake x-|

Cracovia

January 27th, 2009, 06:30 PM

Matthew22 i bet if I wrote that little speech bout Poland you would not be saying its my democratic right to do so...

Big Cat

January 27th, 2009, 07:44 PM

Big Cat -> This is express road S8. For now only 40 km of it have status of S (bypasses of Oleśnica, Wyszków, Radzymin and Ostrów Mazowiecki - whole road will have circa 680 km). I know that till 2012 should be done another 200 km of it or so unfortunately mostly on track Wrocław - Warszawa. You should also know that this road is very unlucky. There are many protests and conflicts with local authorities and it's final direction is still changing.

Yeah, I have read that bypass of Augustow is dead. Do you know what alternatives there are on the table?

J@nek

January 27th, 2009, 08:03 PM

DEL

Triceratops

January 27th, 2009, 08:28 PM

it seems the best decission to chill down the atmosphere is just to post some updates! ;)

J@nek

January 27th, 2009, 08:47 PM

co to za gnój. jestem na ukr forum od dawna a w życiu ten "Ukrainiec" posta tam nie zostawił... neguje te bzdury co ten człowiek napisał, jeśli już tyczą się one starych dziadów- komunistów. Polecam pojechać do Kijowa, mówią po rosyjsku, ale co z tego. Powiedz tamtejszej młodzieży ze Ukraina jest do dupy a wplączesz się w prawdziwe tarapaty.
paza tym ma ten koleś ma spore skłonności do przesady, co do biedy w Ukrainie. Jest beznadzieja ale są takie państwa - nie wiem czy ten człowiek je zna - Mołdawia, Albania, Gruzja

Co do hoteli - Kijów da radę, Odessa również, kłopot jest i będzie na pewno z Dniepropietrowskiem bo te miasto nie ma nic do zaoferowania, Lwow tez raczej spokojnie ,a ze stadionem są nawet bardziej zaawansowani niż Gdańsk także co najmniej 2 miasta będą na 100%.

'm sorry for post in Polish

Ma prawo do wlasnej opini.

Write in English please, even though you are Ukrainian, he will read your post, see where you are located, what language you wrote in and assume you are Polish. This will create conflict, so make it clear that you are a ukrainian criticising his Ukrainian point of view. Why did u write it in Polish and not in Ukrainian. Are you intentionally trying to create a race-focused conflict?

KruEv

January 27th, 2009, 08:56 PM

FC Chernomorets Stadium

http://www.chernomorets.com/st/forum/images/9735.JPG
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:cheers2: :banana:

6opuC

January 27th, 2009, 09:34 PM

I'd rather like to calm down discusion, and make clear some facts.
every year Iam in UA so I'm not telling only what i think but also what I saw.

Ukraine Will make it my Abchaz frend!

J@nek

January 27th, 2009, 10:25 PM

I'd rather like to calm down discusion, and make clear some facts.
every year Iam in UA so I'm not telling only what i think but also what I saw.

Ukraine Will make it my Abchaz frend!

Well next time you should bring a camera along:)

Ahmadinejad_POL

January 27th, 2009, 11:17 PM

ILITS, Moscow Empire in not in much better condition than Ukraine, especially when oil and gas profits are frugal. But i suppose that in Ukraine there are better politicians than Tymoshenko who considering her makeup and haircut looks like some russian orthodox icon.

Majestic

January 27th, 2009, 11:48 PM

Can we please stay on-topic and stop this political preferences discussion?

Jasix

January 28th, 2009, 11:21 AM

FC Chernomorets Stadium -> is this a training ground for Euro 2012 like Lubin?

Big Cat-> unfortunately I have no idea what's going on with Augustów bypass

rakim

January 28th, 2009, 11:28 AM

FC Chernomorets Stadium -> is this a training ground for Euro 2012 like Lubin?

It's Odessa stadium for Euro 2012.

Jasix

January 28th, 2009, 11:29 AM

It's Odessa stadium for Euro 2012.

Oh, I see ;)

Baltic Arena (27.01.09)

C9JN4_Qj6eM

:cheers:

Majestic

January 28th, 2009, 11:53 AM

Wow, how many hours a day do they work?

Jasix

January 28th, 2009, 12:03 PM

I think they are working on three shifts, like in Warsaw :)

Time for Poznań:

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