EURO 2012: Poland and Ukraine preparations [Archive] - Page 9

Nikodem

March 16th, 2009, 10:42 PM

bunch of news from Ukrainian side.

1)
Ukrainian ministers of transport and communication and defense on Friday signed an act of acquistion of the military town "Skniłowie" to International Airport "Lviv".
Acquisition of military infrastructure by IA "Lviv" was a necessary condition for the start of the modernization of airport.

2)
Proposed by the mayor of Lviv project Eurokolej, which involves construction of a European railroad linking Lviv and Poland, do not like to turn the heads of the Ukrainian state" Ukrzaliznicja "- complains local authorities. - It takes two years evaluation of the idea at the Ministry of Transport and yet there is no decision. It is clear that our project is blocked by a state monopoly - claims Dymitr Sidor director of department of preparations for Euro 2012 in Lvov.

Construction of the line with a length of 85 km was to cost 500 million euros. The authorities of Lvov got already support from the Dutch government. 133 thousands of euros waiting for the company, which will prepare the technical and financial documentation of Eurokolej project.

3)
TOCHU Corporation from Japan wants to build a 30 km long high-speed railroad linking the center of Kiev with an airport in Boryspolu.
To carry out the investment as the heads of corporations have already discussed with the Ukrainian Deputy Minister of Finance. The estimated value of the project is 280 million dollars. ITOCHU Corporation has already prepared an analysis of technical and economic investment. Ukrainian authorities are to propose the implementation of the principles of investment concessions. In addition to the construction of the railway TOCHU is also interested in the construction of two new bridges in Kiev.

source: go2euro.net

Thats really pitty, that our Ukrainian friends keep those projects in secret, and don't want to share with us. So guys, what about some details and pics?

Triceratops

March 17th, 2009, 07:19 PM

thanks Nikodem! that's very important news forn UA side! :cheers: though, I doubt all the three projects you presented will be constructed by 2012, most probably only one of them, cuz there are quite big financial problems in Ukraine atm and spending country's money for all of them is just a suicide!! :ohno:

holier_than_dnipro

March 18th, 2009, 06:26 PM

well maybe some of these pics were already posted somewhere in this thread but not in the last 10 pages that i read...so a little overview of the four Ukrainian stadiums which we can say are under construction/renovation

Kyiv Olympic Stadium

http://s54.radikal.ru/i146/0902/5b/249e16112cc0.jpg

Donbass Arena in Donetsk (February)

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0209/5.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0209/8.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0209/6.jpg

Dnipro Arena (already running since September, 2008)

http://www.fcdnipro.ua/content/ru/images/stadium/stadium_1.jpg

Metalist Stadium in Kharkiv - February (under modernization, its been reconstructed and hosting FC Metalist matches at the same time, due to be finished until December, 2009)

http://s41.radikal.ru/i092/0903/b2/b6b93b320eac.jpg

http://s39.radikal.ru/i084/0902/01/b867a1de543e.jpg

http://s44.radikal.ru/i103/0902/a4/9ad7e813f708.jpg

http://s56.radikal.ru/i152/0902/ef/4e389e7edbd5.jpg

Jasix

March 19th, 2009, 12:10 PM

holier_than_dnipro -> can you post some pics of Kyiv Olympic Stadium project? I still have no idea how it will look like after renovation.

holier_than_dnipro

March 19th, 2009, 04:18 PM

holier_than_dnipro -> can you post some pics of Kyiv Olympic Stadium project? I still have no idea how it will look like after renovation.

yeah, its a bit of a mystery, but i think not for long cause they will have to present the detailed project very soon...the only credible picture i possess so far is this:

http://i039.radikal.ru/0903/6d/e14bf9500256.jpg

6opuC

March 19th, 2009, 04:27 PM

thats the wrong one... ArchAsia from Taiwan was not allowed to make it

holier_than_dnipro

March 19th, 2009, 04:42 PM

thats the wrong one... ArchAsia from Taiwan was not allowed to make it

yes, you are right, i just found the proper pics, it looks a bit odd to me though

http://static.liga.net/IMAGES/nsk1.jpg

http://static.liga.net/IMAGES/nsk2.jpg

Jasix

March 19th, 2009, 10:18 PM

It's similar to Silesia Stadium :cheers:

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/9/5042/z5042559X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/1/5042/z5042561Z.jpg

http://www.mmtrojmiasto.pl/rep/newsph/4349/16628.3.jpg

Triceratops

March 19th, 2009, 11:04 PM

@holier_than_dnipro, thanks for such update, it would be good to see also Lviv and Odessa!! :)
and why ArchAsia's project wasn't allowed?? it looks astonishing!!

6opuC

March 20th, 2009, 12:16 AM

becouse they are not experienced in that kind of job. it would be risk

PS: Dynamo & Shakhtar in 1/4 UEFA!

holier_than_dnipro

March 20th, 2009, 01:55 PM

it would be good to see also Lviv and Odessa!! :)

Lviv, not sure which one though

http://www.galinfo.com.ua/storage/image/stadion2.jpg

http://www.kuyt-online.com/wp-content/uploads/avstriytsi-ne-budut-stroit-stadion-vo-lvove-k-evro-0.jpg

http://euro-2012.moy.su/_nw/0/01104.jpg

Odesa

http://www.evro-2012.org/uploads/posts/2008-09/1220542190_img1.jpg

http://uaeuro2012.com/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=0&func=wmark&oid=1538

WMS

March 20th, 2009, 05:05 PM

omg, Odessa :runaway:
Those arches, columns, cornices, pilasters.. I hope it's a joke

but Lviv rules. Gread design.

paku

March 20th, 2009, 05:58 PM

What will be the size of Lviv's stadium?

6opuC

March 20th, 2009, 06:13 PM

max 30 - 34

Triceratops

March 20th, 2009, 09:33 PM

Odessa arena (in right meaning of this word) looks jus just amazing!! that's a very nice combination of modern and ancient styles! :cheers:

March 21st, 2009, 11:51 AM

Odessa arena (in right meaning of this word) looks jus just amazing!! that's a very nice combination of modern and ancient styles! :cheers:

You're joking, aren't you?
Odessa Arena is an esention of kitsch.

Lviv and other Ukrainian cities looks much better.

6opuC

March 21st, 2009, 03:18 PM

EEE.. no! look at Kharkiv...

rakim

March 21st, 2009, 03:24 PM

and Dniepropietrovsk:

http://i050.radikal.ru/0902/04/f0c44a55339e.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/ke9375.jpg

http://gorod.dp.ua/photo/usergorod/2008/12/24/22365.jpg

also worse than Odessa.

Triceratops

March 21st, 2009, 06:44 PM

^^ yep, sometimes Ukrainian design leaves much to be desired! :ohno:

PL2012

March 21st, 2009, 06:49 PM

It has a pretty big parking lot. haha

VelesHomais

March 21st, 2009, 07:06 PM

I and some others have stopped updating this section due to trollism. From now on go to specific threads for information on stadiums:

Ukraine, Dnipropetrovsk (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=438751)
Ukraine, Donetsk (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=437698)
Ukraine, Lviv (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=613728)
Ukraine, Kyiv (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505872)
Ukraine, Odesa (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=513034)
Ukraine, Kharkiv (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=472943)

Kharkiv airport construction
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=832386

And more later

Cheers.

6opuC

March 21st, 2009, 09:46 PM

Dnipro exterior looks poor,

Big Cat

March 22nd, 2009, 06:32 PM

Cold comfort for Ukraine

Major questions marks hang over contractor Sun Land’s ability to raise capital for roads required for Euro 2012, discovers Andrew Jennings

UKRAINE'S HOPES of successfully co-hosting the European Championships in 2012 could be about to hit the buffers after a Sunday Herald investigation revealed that the company responsible for transport infrastructure projects has yet to raise the $7 billion it promised the Ukrainian government.

Sun Land Group, owned by Daniel Mejia, a Miami-based Dominican businessman, last year promised to raise $7bn to invest in 2000km of new roads and bridges needed for 2012. As he signed the contract, Mejia said: "We believe our experience and knowledge of credit resources positions Sun Land to successfully complete these projects on time." Asked last week, 13 months later, if this is still the case, he said it was now "dependent on the Ukrainian government".

After the signing ceremony, Mejia issued a press release trumpeting the presence of "Mr Motoo Kusakabe from the European Bank of Reconstruction and Development".
advertisement

This was encouraging. If the contract was backed by such a prestigious institution, surely it was bound to succeed. But last week the EBRD denied "any formal or informal relationship with the Sun Land Group Corporation" and said Kusakabe was not from their bank. He worked for a Japanese bank official and attended in his private capacity. Mejia explained last week that "Mr Kusakabe is our distinguished friend".

Has the $7bn been raised? Mejia replied: "The Ukraine government must complete all approvals." Then the money will flow, he insists, through a "private placing structure, directly handled by our company". However, Mejia declined to identify banks likely to provide the money.

Mejia's Sun Land business took off in the Dominican Republic with a $76 million deal in 2000 to supply military equipment. His good relationship with president Hipolito Mejia there secured a $115m public works contract the following year. Worries about Sun Land soon surfaced in local newspapers and there was uproar when it was revealed how the money was being raised for its projects. Critics claimed officials were creating financial notes - a kind of IOU - that Daniel Mejia could sell abroad, pocketing commissions, according to the contract, of nearly 14%. This caused upset when the country allegedly broke public spending promises to the IMF. The Miami Herald termed it one of the Dominican president's "major scandals".

Sun Land's dealings were soon being described as "controversial" and "questionable" and even "jeopardising the state". It was then uncovered that Sun Land was charging $130m to re-equip the country's police and other services. Two companies Mejia said were supplying equipment couldn't be traced. Critics said cars and motorbikes were overpriced and alleged Daniel Mejia was charging $10,000 for $1000 computers.

Jorge Pineda, Editor of Dominican Today said: "We had never heard of the Sun Land company. There was no public tendering and we couldn't understand how they got the contracts. Because of robust reporting by our media and the public outcry that followed, the government had to cancel Sun Land's last contract."

Daniel Mejia rejects all criticisms, denies his prices were inflated and insists: "The contract is not dead. That would require an act of Congress."

Mark Blinder, confirmed by Daniel Mejia's Miami office as the company's agent in Ukraine, claims that 40% of Sun Land is owned by the State of Florida.

But there's no evidence of that in the company's filings. They admit to just four employees and annual sales of only $260,000. Blinder also claims that former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, brother of the American president, will be a "consultant" to the project.

"I am one of the people who came up with this project," says Blinder. "Sun Land's participation is the result of selection work on the world financial markets."

Blinder's relationship with Daniel Mejia was unearthed by Kiev reporter Vlad Lavrov who tracked him to an apartment in one of the city's most prestigious developments. "He was surrounded by fine art and paintings,"

says Lavrov, "and souvenirs from Odesa, his home town. Blinder was very confident about Daniel Mejia and his Sun Land company. Then I showed him the company's Florida records. He went red and started mumbling. He seemed lost for words."

When Lavrov raised the criticisms of Sun Land in the Dominican Republic, Blinder replied: "They hate Sun Land. Daniel Mejia has a good relationship with the president. Those who are against Sun Land oppose the president.

"Sun Land has been recommended to Ukraine by the US government," Blinder insisted.

Lavrov adds: "When I asked him about allegations in Germany and Spain that he was Russian Mafia and involved in money laundering - and more - he stood up and went out to his balcony. It was December and very cold. He smoked a cigarette then came back in and spoke in a self-pitying way."

He explained to Lavrov: "I lived in Spain for quite a long time. This story caused me a lot of headaches. It was in the summer when journalists usually have nothing to write about. At that time any Russian who had more than one million dollars on his account, a private house and guards, especially in Basque country where they don't like foreigners, would automatically be considered connected to mafia."

Blinder says a new business, Sun Land Ukraine, will be set up "with 100% foreign capital and my direct participation".

Companies who want a share of the business will have to play "by local rules".

Recently Daniel Mejia has teamed with a two-man business, the Las Vegas based Bioolio Group which promotes a "$10 million Biodiesel Project". When the company registered two years ago annual earnings were estimated at less than $10,000. Nevada officials closed them down because they failed to file adequate information, but now they claim "sustainable and consistent growth" and an "enhanced place in the marketplace".

Meanwhile the clock is ticking to Euro 2012. Uefa president Michel Platini is due to visit Ukraine next month for a final decision on whether the country is making sufficient progress and while stadium construction may be running on schedule, the need for roads could yet prove enough to scupper Ukraine's hopes.

Link (http://www.sundayherald.com/sport/shfootball/display.var.2497047.0.cold_comfort_for_ukraine.php)

Jasix

March 24th, 2009, 06:06 PM

Stadion Wisły Kraków (Wisla Cracow Stadium) 23.03.09:

http://www.wislasoccer.com/foto/galeria/12364.JPG

http://www.wislasoccer.com/foto/galeria/12368.JPG

http://www.wislasoccer.com/foto/galeria/12379.JPG

http://www.wislasoccer.com/foto/galeria/12351.JPG

Triceratops

March 24th, 2009, 06:44 PM

^^ will the opposite tribune of the one which is u/c now be modernized?

lukaszek89

March 24th, 2009, 07:22 PM

yes, it will be main stand of the stadium:)

sądeczanin_pol

March 24th, 2009, 07:33 PM

will the opposite tribune of the one which is u/c now be modernized?

It will be even firstly totally demolished and then there will be build new stand ;)

Jasix

March 24th, 2009, 11:48 PM

http://static1.money.pl/i/galeria/30/27/12830/projekt,stadionu,w,krakowie.jpg

http://static1.money.pl/i/galeria/26/23/12826/projekt,stadionu,w,krakowie.jpg

http://static1.money.pl/i/galeria/25/22/12825/projekt,stadionu,w,krakowie.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/2/4468/z4468762X.jpg

Here's a project of it :)

Triceratops

March 25th, 2009, 07:58 PM

^^ very interesting project! what's the planned capacity of the satdium?

Cracovia

March 25th, 2009, 11:21 PM

33500 seats

holier_than_dnipro

March 26th, 2009, 07:17 PM

Polish Guests Take Arena As a Benchmark

http://shakhtar.com/data/imgdata/foto/news/13169__full_news.jpg

Today Donetsk has welcomed representatives of PL.2012, a Polish governmental organization, which prepares stadiums and city infrastructure for Euro 2012. The delegation also included managers of stadiums under construction in Poznań, Gdańsk and Warsaw.
Donbass Arena was their top target. The Euro 2012 co-hosts took Donetsk stadium as a benchmark and came to learn our practices.
Poland has heard a lot about Donbass Arena. Moreover, the new stadiums will run technologies similar to those of the Donetsk Diamond. So, the guests started with a tour around the arena. The stadium produced a memorable impression. The guests visited corporate boxes, a lounge-bar, strolled around the bowl of the stadium and dropped into the control room. They asked questions about the park around the stadium, location of seats for fans with disabilities, safety inside and outside the stadium as well as telecommunications, evacuation plans and many other things.
Then it was the time for information exchange. In particular, the Polish side wants to duplicate the infrastructure, systems of control, tickets distribution, safety, security and video surveillance. They also wish to follow Donbass Arena’s catering and crowd flow management approaches during the matches. A separate point on the agenda of the Polish delegation is to carefully examine the cooperation principles of Donbass Arena runner with local and national government in the course of designing and building the stadium, as well as when preparing for EURO 2012. The guests assure that everything is organized on a high level in Donetsk.
“First of all, we are interested in your experience of preparing the stadium for EURO 2012. It is important that you are completing the facility now and we can learn the most advanced achievements. My colleagues highly appraised your solutions related to IT, safety issues, turnstiles management and segregation of supporters. The way you will run the stadium after 2012 is equally important. So, we have found friends here and, I hope, from now on it will be easier for us to hold the championship on a higher level”, told Andrey Nazarenko, investment projects assistant for PL.2012 team.
Press Office
Donbass Arena

Jasix

March 27th, 2009, 10:18 AM

112,000,000 € for Baltic Arena in Gdańsk. HYDROBUDOWA POLSKA S.A, HYDROBUDOWA 9, ALPINE BAU DEUTSCHLAND AG Berlin,
ALPINE BAU GmbH AUSTRIA, ALPINE CONSTRUCTION Polska Sp. z o.o. is going to build it :) It has won the auction two days ago :) so we know general executor of the arena :)

http://www.bieg2012.pl/page/pl/stadion/multimedia/6marzec.html -> movie about BA

trampek

March 27th, 2009, 01:04 PM

http://www.2012.org.pl/pl/miasta-gospodarze/chorzow/multimedia.html Silesian Stadium ( Chorzów ) movie visualizatiom. modernization starts in july :)

Triceratops

March 27th, 2009, 03:01 PM

so, since now all the stadiums of most probable host cities are u/c, right?

Black Label

March 27th, 2009, 03:13 PM

Right.

KruEv

March 27th, 2009, 10:04 PM

Donbass Arena. Donetsk. March 2009

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/1.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/2.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/3.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/4.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/5.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/6.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/7.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/8.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/9.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/10.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/11.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/12.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/13.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/14.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/15.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/16.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/17.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/18.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/19.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/20.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/21.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/22.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/23.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/24.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/25.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/26.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/27.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/28.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/29.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/30.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/31.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/32.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/33.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/34.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/35.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/36.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/37.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/38.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/39.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/40.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/41.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/42.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/43.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/44.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/45.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/46.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/47.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/data/img/stadium/str/0309/48.jpg

www.shakhtar.com

mphws

March 27th, 2009, 10:25 PM

^^ Awesome stadium... :bow:

earth intruder

March 27th, 2009, 10:39 PM

yeah, looks great!

J@nek

March 28th, 2009, 08:18 AM

Donietsk Stadium looks sexy!!!:cheers::banana::banana:

mamelux

March 28th, 2009, 12:35 PM

Agree. Nice one :)

Cracovia

March 28th, 2009, 02:53 PM

Probably the best Arena in its capacity range for now

lukaszek89

March 28th, 2009, 03:08 PM

Dinamo Kiev and Europe- watch out:D Shakhtar all the way!

KruEv

March 28th, 2009, 03:33 PM

^^ thx guys

Metallist Arena. Kharkiv. March 2009

http://i42.tinypic.com/2rbyohk.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/2hrmhw8.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/x4gahx.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/288w6te.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/v8mr1i.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/23l1f1w.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/33ncjsx.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/2eeemn7.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/2zoel50.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/10mrgja.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/x6j71t.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/308e3r6.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/jt8bxh.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/nn2mpc.jpg

More...
http://www.metallist.kharkov.ua/multimedia/viewcategory/31/106

:cheers:

Triceratops

March 28th, 2009, 08:26 PM

yep, Donetsk stadium is stunning in all ways!! Kharkiv could look better..

Triceratops

March 29th, 2009, 05:36 PM

In preparation for European football championship 2012, not far from Kyiv will be created a new resort - "Litvinovka Entertainment". It will be located in Kyiv area, Vyshgorodska district, Litvinovka village. For project realisation there's allocated 19.6 hectares of land. It is planned to erect 20 residential objects, five-star hotel with 200 rooms, a shopping and restaurant complex, sports buildings, a delphinarium, an aquapark, a SPA-centre, a multigrade ski slope, and a parking for 1500 cars. The estimate of expenses for the project makes 150 million US dollars. :cheers:

http://www.apollo.lv/upload/2009-03-25/152753/vis2.jpg
http://www.apollo.lv/upload/2009-03-25/152753/spa.jpg
http://www.apollo.lv/upload/2009-03-25/152753/litvinovka_aqua.jpg
http://www.apollo.lv/upload/2009-03-25/152753/litvinovka_pool.jpg
http://www.apollo.lv/upload/2009-03-25/152753/litvinovka_slalom.jpg
http://www.apollo.lv/upload/2009-03-25/152753/litvinovka_stadium.jpg
http://www.apollo.lv/upload/2009-03-25/152753/vis4.jpg

wrc

March 29th, 2009, 08:37 PM

^^^^http://www.litvinovka.com/

lukaszek89

March 30th, 2009, 03:37 AM

looks great!

Jasix

March 30th, 2009, 06:16 PM

New five-star hotel which will be build next to the Okęcie airport in Warsaw. It will have 220 rooms for 400 customers. It will be ready in 2011.

http://www.a-ronet.pl/!konkursy/2009-03-26_warszawa_hotel5/1143/00.jpg

http://www.a-ronet.pl/!konkursy/2009-03-26_warszawa_hotel5/1143/p01a.jpg

http://www.a-ronet.pl/!konkursy/2009-03-26_warszawa_hotel5/1143/01.jpg

http://www.a-ronet.pl/!konkursy/2009-03-26_warszawa_hotel5/1143/05.jpg

http://www.a-ronet.pl/!konkursy/2009-03-26_warszawa_hotel5/1143/06.jpg

Bendor

March 30th, 2009, 07:05 PM

Renders of that Hotel :
http://m.onet.pl/_m/7650565eb7ee05d3990529c276d18462,9,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/db396b00413f395ba9dde0cabb2360e9,14,1.jpg

KruEv

March 30th, 2009, 07:53 PM

Olympic Stadium. Kyiv. March the 29th (photos by ukrainian forumer feyma)

http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv68/bondarenko_feyma/IMG_1207.jpg

http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv68/bondarenko_feyma/IMG_1210.jpg

http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv68/bondarenko_feyma/IMG_1214.jpg

http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv68/bondarenko_feyma/IMG_1217.jpg

http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv68/bondarenko_feyma/IMG_1218.jpg

http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv68/bondarenko_feyma/IMG_1219.jpg

http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv68/bondarenko_feyma/IMG_1220.jpg

http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv68/bondarenko_feyma/IMG_1221.jpg

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KruEv

March 30th, 2009, 09:02 PM

.....and another one photos from Donetsk :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3608/3395196790_0727638c85_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3648/3394385477_07dc3207da_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3612/3394386095_83fd31631f_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3419/3395195952_c53835e504_b.jpg
(с) http://www.flickr.com/photos/blandm/

:cheers:

tomi1975

March 31st, 2009, 09:24 AM

http://m.onet.pl/_m/db396b00413f395ba9dde0cabb2360e9,14,1.jpg

Marriot Hotel at the front of Warsaw Airport T2 building. Completion ca. 2011.

lukaszek89

March 31st, 2009, 05:31 PM

KruEv: it's good that You post pictures here but try to pick 2-3 best(like You did with Donetsk) and post them:) when will Shakthar play first match on the Donbass Arena?

Triceratops

March 31st, 2009, 05:48 PM

thanks for the update, KruEv! it would be great if you could support us with the update pics of all Ukrainian stadiums and another infrastructure development projects, but please, not so many, just the best pics of that! :)

Cracovia

March 31st, 2009, 11:01 PM

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/7869/warszawaaktualny1024z.jpg

Cracovia

March 31st, 2009, 11:39 PM

5 consortiums have qualified to build the new airport terminal and surrounding infrastructure around Wroclaw airport. Offers will be open within a month meaning the airport could sign the contract in early june, providing there are no delays Construction should commence on July 1st with the construction ending september 2011. The airport is prepared to spend approximatly 500mln pln on the investment

- Hochtief Polska, Hochtief Construction
- Mostostal Warszawa, Acciona Infraestructuras
- Mota-Engil, Mota-Engil Engenharia
- Budimex Dromex, Ferrovial Agroman
- Skanska, Exbud Skanska

^^consortiums which qualified

Also so far this year the GDDiKA has signed the contracts for the construction of 187km of highways and express ways. By comparison in 2007 the GDDiKA signed 150km worth of contracts and in 2008 333km. This year they plan to sign a further 637km worth of contracts.

Triceratops

April 1st, 2009, 07:05 PM

it seems Poland is just gaining from present problematic world economic situation! many investors are directing their remained amounts of money in such booming market! all these perspective embeddings in Poland just make its economy beneficial and it is such a pity that in Ukraine the situation is reverse, no one see the abilities of its market to recover from such political complications.. but what an outlook is hidden in this astonishing country!! :cheers:

rakim

April 1st, 2009, 10:10 PM

http://images48.fotosik.pl/96/9d4735e7956f21f8.png

highways and expressways:
green - in use
red - u/c
pink - agreement signed, waiting for the construction
yellow & orange - tender procedure
blue - environment decision

Cracovia

April 1st, 2009, 11:33 PM

Within 6 months the main colour on that map should be red ;)

exclusiv

April 2nd, 2009, 12:03 AM

Just to inform, the GDDKiA (National Roads & Highways Autority) has launched tenders for 351,8 km of highways and expressways during Q1 2009. During the current year, GDDKiA is expected to open tenders for a total of 809,7 km.:)

Cracovia

April 2nd, 2009, 12:14 AM

100 new low floor trams will glide the streets of Warsaw by euro 2012 with the whole order for 186 trams beeing completed by 2013. The order was the largest of its kind in Europe and will cost 1.5billion PLN. The Trams will be supplied by Polish company PESA. The trams will be similar to the new PESA ones currently used in the city.

http://www.pesa.pl/upload/2535_zd.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/5/6401/z6401235X.jpg
^^current new ones from PESA...the ones they bought just now will be slightly different
http://www.pesa.pl/upload/3636_zd.jpg
^^new ones

Triceratops

April 2nd, 2009, 02:32 PM

^^ wow! how do they manage with economic problems in Poland so well?! it's just a joy to see at least one of the two Euro-foot holding countries developing in such rocketing temps!! :banana:

rakim

April 2nd, 2009, 02:54 PM

^^ wow! how do they manage with economic problems in Poland so well?! it's just a joy to see at least one of the two Euro-foot holding countries developing in such rocketing temps!! :banana:

Crisis in Poland has two sides - one (that bad) is known to all, greater unemployment, uncertainty in the market rates, the problem with the loan etc. but other side is that construction companies are no longer so expensive for example consortium companies - Hydrobudowa Polska & Alpine Bau Deutschland who won tender for construction Baltic Arena propose much lower price than expected, the same with North Bridge and second metro line in Warsaw. In tender in 2008 was 6 bln PLN, now in repeated tender it is 4 bln PLN !.
As a result, cities have more money to spent on more investment.

Cracovia

April 2nd, 2009, 03:19 PM

The amount of money for investments have not changed due to the crisis, infact whether there is an economic crisis in Poland is debatable, certainly a there is a slowdown in the amount of growth though recession will most definatley be avoided.

Warsawbynight

April 2nd, 2009, 06:14 PM

There is no crisis in Poland. Poland is one of the fastest growing economies in the world right now. Surely the best in Europe. Maybe Slovakia could compete, but that will soon change cause they have € and their growth will fall down very quickly.
Crisis is only a subject for newspapers, but Poland with enormous road development, stadiums, metro, hotels and many other investments is really a lucky place in Europe!

Triceratops

April 2nd, 2009, 07:09 PM

^^ yep, must agree! the choice of holding Euro 2012 in Poland was not a mistake, I see! pity that Ukraine can't manage with its difficulties and is legging behind.. :ohno:

Atrium

April 2nd, 2009, 08:05 PM

^^ yep, must agree! the choice of holding Euro 2012 in Poland was not a mistake, I see! pity that Ukraine can't manage with its difficulties and is legging behind.. :ohno:

Ukraine will be okay. Poland was many times written off herself in the past. Don't let this sensationalized hysteria affect your judgment – the press is a parasitical entity that feeds off it.

J@nek

April 2nd, 2009, 10:35 PM

Plus EU funds baby!!!:banana::banana:

Cracovia

April 2nd, 2009, 10:46 PM

Ukraine will be okay. Poland was many times written off herself in the past. Don't let this sensationalized hysteria affect your judgment – the press is a parasitical entity that feeds off it.

one of the downsides of freedom of press is that half the time they write utter bullshit...what is worse is many people believe it :nuts:

Atrium

April 2nd, 2009, 11:07 PM

one of the downsides of freedom of press is that half the time they write utter bullshit...what is worse is many people believe it :nuts:

It's quite sad how sheepish people can be and how they almost in masochistic ways thrive and long for hysteria to fulfill their feeble minds that should be filled with the very beauty of their own daily lives – not that of tabloids and reality TV. Somewhere beyond the horizon, evolution wants its captured serfs back.

Virgileq

April 2nd, 2009, 11:10 PM

Ukraine will be okay. Poland was many times written off herself in the past. Don't let this sensationalized hysteria affect your judgment – the press is a parasitical entity that feeds off it.

Believe me that most of us are not going to offence anybody from UA, but just concern about Ukraine situation. If u write that "UA'll be ok" it is not enough to calm us down. IMHO there is a reason that Ukrainian credit rating was cut from B+ in Oct' 08 to CCC+ in Feb 09 (where CCC is lowest possible - i.e. war territories).

There is no point to talk about stadiums when EU is talking about bankruptcy, disorder, anarchy and revolution possibilities. Maybe this is only "hysteria", but at the moment personally i've got nothing to "think positive". And no offence at all.

Regards

V.

Matthew222

April 2nd, 2009, 11:25 PM

Cracovia

April 2nd, 2009, 11:49 PM

I guess it;s bacouse we're not in bunkruptcy here ;)

The Ukraine is not bankrupt yet either
If it does have significant problems then it can count on another IMF bail out im sure :nuts:

Atrium

April 2nd, 2009, 11:49 PM

Believe me that most of us are not going to offence anybody from UA, but just concern about Ukraine situation. If u write that "UA'll be ok" it is not enough to calm us down. IMHO there is a reason that Ukrainian credit rating was cut from B+ in Oct' 08 to CCC+ in Feb 09 (where CCC is lowest possible - i.e. war territories).

There is no point to talk about stadiums when EU is talking about bankruptcy, disorder, anarchy and revolution possibilities. Maybe this is only "hysteria", but at the moment personally i've got nothing to "think positive". And no offence at all.

Regards

V.

I, as a man that was born in Warsaw during PRL, can surely initiate some form of discussion pertaining to human spirit and the immense contribution of the positive human psyche to a land far beyond physical grasps and physiological limitations.

Is the history of Poland so distant, that you would disparage another Nation and people so closely intertwined into our very own fiber to a future of destitution?

Would you consciously prosecute our Brothers and Sisters to the East to a life of stagnation?

I’ve read much on foreign opinion, throughout Poland’s fight for sovereignty in the 80’s, and such sentiment I witness today, was quite illustrated on canvasses throughout the Planet’s opinion in those dark days.

Keep your statistics, I believe rather in humanity not based on numbers and limitations.

Ukraine will overcome her bureaucratic struggles and emerge to host a grand tournament with us Poles.

That is the future outcome,

Parasitical doubt need not apply.

Cracovia

April 3rd, 2009, 12:17 AM

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Chilenofuturista

April 3rd, 2009, 01:52 AM

Great thread!
Thanks for all the updates!

How are the plans going regarding the infrastructural part?
Will they build high-speed rail lines between Poland and Ukraine?
Which ones? (Maps, anyone?)
What about new underground/tram lines/extensions?

Thank you in advance!

paku

April 3rd, 2009, 02:47 AM

I, as a man that was born in Warsaw during PRL, can surely initiate some form of discussion pertaining to human spirit and the immense contribution of the positive human psyche to a land far beyond physical grasps and physiological limitations.

Is the history of Poland so distant, that you would disparage another Nation and people so closely intertwined into our very own fiber to a future of destitution?

Would you consciously prosecute our Brothers and Sisters to the East to a life of stagnation?

I’ve read much on foreign opinion, throughout Poland’s fight for sovereignty in the 80’s, and such sentiment I witness today, was quite illustrated on canvasses throughout the Planet’s opinion in those dark days.

Keep your statistics, I believe rather in humanity not based on numbers and limitations.

Ukraine will overcome her bureaucratic struggles and emerge to host a grand tournament with us Poles.

That is the future outcome,

Parasitical doubt need not apply.

Are you for real? :laugh:

Big Cat

April 3rd, 2009, 09:00 AM

An interesting article I found today on BBC.

Ukrainian football's dark side

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45623000/jpg/_45623077_olimpiyskiyafp466.jpg

With Ukraine facing England in World Cup qualifying, and preparing to co-host the European Championships in 2012 with Poland, football in the country is firmly in the spotlight.

But with evidence of organised crime infecting the game and the state at risk of financial collapse, is Ukraine really fit to play host to the rest of Europe, asks Margot Dunne of BBC Radio 5 Live.

Extortion rackets, money laundering, drugs and even murder - these are among the dubious activities with which ordinary Ukrainians believe some of their football club owners are involved.

Yet on a recent trip to the capital Kiev, taxi drivers and cafe owners laughed and rolled their eyes when I said I was there to report on corruption in Ukrainian football.

"People are laughing because everybody understands what's going on. But to them, it's not really a big deal," explained Vlad Lavrov, a local investigative journalist and one of the few reporters to write about the problem.

In the chaos following the break-up of the Soviet Union, football clubs were seen as lucrative prospects for criminals.

Not only did the clubs enjoy tax breaks for the import of alcohol and tobacco, but they provided useful fronts for money laundering and extortion.

"Everyone knows that there are four or possibly five clubs which really try to play football. The rest are just there to make money by other means," said the wife of one former Ukrainian professional player, who asked not to be named.

Political connections

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45623000/jpg/_45623078_headquarters_cu_resize226.jpg
The Football Federation of Ukraine has a new headquarters in Kiev

Mr Lavrov said he had been shown an entry from a police database which named the owner of one prominent club as the head of a large criminal gang.

But as the club owner has not been prosecuted - perhaps because of his political connections - he has not published the story.

"They use the services of very expensive lawyers from Britain and the United States to make sure nobody even tries to investigate what was going on," he complained.

But thanks to the efforts of some Ukrainian prosecutors, there was at least one case I could report on.

FC Tavriya Simferepol is a Ukrainian Premier League club based in the Crimea.

In 2007, its former president, Viktor Karasev, was sentenced to seven years in jail for ordering an arson attack and the use of illegal weapons.

The club's former commercial manager, Ruvim Aronov, is in prison awaiting sentence.

'Gang HQ'

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45623000/jpg/_45623082_donetskafp226.jpg
Ukraine has begun improving its stadia for 2012, but will the work be finished?

I later met up with Victor Shemchiuk, an MP and former prosecutor from Crimea who was involved in the case.

"We were interested in the men's membership of an organised criminal gang: how they got started, who was in it, the realities of running a gang and the use of weapons," he said.

The local police say FC Tavriya was used as the headquarters of a criminal gang called "The Bashmaki" (The Shoes), which they say was responsible for around 50 murders, as well as kidnappings.

If something like this happened in the UK, it would be headline news. Yet many Ukrainians I spoke to found the idea of gangsters running a Premier League club so unsurprising that they told me it was "not a story".

I wanted to ask those running the Football Federation of Ukraine (FFU) whether they had known that one of their Premier League clubs was owned and used as a base by organised criminals.

I telephoned them repeatedly, asking for an interview with the FFU president or general secretary.

I even turned up at their glittering, new multi-million-pound headquarters in Kiev. But the top officials were apparently too busy to speak to me for a few minutes.

Crumbling infrastructure

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45623000/jpg/_45623081_platiniviktorafp226b.jpg
Michel Platini was determined to take the tournament to Eastern Europe

Rumours about match fixing are also widespread, and pressures on Ukrainian referees are such that, as Viktor Derdo, a tournament organiser from the football union, admitted to me, foreign match officials often have to be brought in for top games.

Ukraine seemed like an odd choice for the European Championships when the announcement was made in 2007. But two years on, it seems like an even more unlikely venue.

The Ukrainian state is facing imminent financial meltdown - most of the banks are bust and customers cannot get their money out.

However, the country's crumbling infrastructure - a legacy of its Soviet past - still requires a vast amount of investment.

New stadiums, airports and hundreds of miles of new road are needed to cope with the event. As many as 80% of the new hotels required are unlikely to be ready and there are now serious doubts about the country's ability to host the competition.

So why was Ukraine chosen in the first place?

Uefa President Michel Platini was determined to take the tournament to Eastern Europe because of the much needed boost it will undoubtedly bring to football in the region.

But however well intentioned, has Uefa been naive?

The charges against the FC Tavriya management were made before Uefa announced that Ukraine would be hosting the 2012 championships.

Another club, FC Zakarpattya, was raided by police in 2004.

In that case, 36 armed men were arrested and police say another 150 armed men got away. The club president faced charges of banditry, terrorism, robbery and kidnapping and was later jailed.

While Uefa could not, perhaps, have predicted the collapse of the Ukrainian economy,it certainly ought to have been well aware of the evidence of corruption and links to organised crime.

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7976826.stm)

Atrium

April 4th, 2009, 03:25 AM

Are you for real? :laugh:

Would it please your pessimistic and cynical heart if it where otherwise?

I venture to guess that I am in the minority of Poles that wish success on Ukraine to host the Tournament as equals and not salivate at every media glorification of burden in Ukraine to sadistically acquire more host cities in Poland?

I would never wish ill will on another for my own betterment and prosperity.

So yes, I am for real.

It was not so long ago that Poland was seen in the same light – insignificant and beyond repair.

wrc

April 4th, 2009, 04:02 PM

Lwiv
http://web.uar.net/cam/cam.jpg?s?1238852457934[/QUOTE]

KruEv

April 4th, 2009, 04:29 PM

Lviv Webcam (http://www.city-adm.lviv.ua/component/option,com_main/task,press-center/Itemid,587/) :banana:

ruslan33

April 4th, 2009, 08:49 PM

Iluminat

April 4th, 2009, 09:36 PM

Euro is not for Ukrainian clubs so I really see no problem here...

ruslan33

April 4th, 2009, 11:20 PM

Euro is not for Ukrainian clubs so I really see no problem here...

How can you see no problem if a bankcrupt country with most banks being bankcrupt needs to build :

New stadiums, airports and hundreds of miles of new road are needed to cope with the event. As many as 80% of the new hotels required are unlikely to be ready and there are now serious doubts about the country's ability to host the competition.

are they going to get the money from uncel Sam ?

holier_than_dnipro

April 6th, 2009, 01:23 AM

Since we won the right to host 2012 I've read about a hundred articles in many 'respected media' like Gazetta dello Sport etc claiming that it is a done deal, uefa decided to move the tournament to other countries and so on...it was an endless array of publications though uefa have been regularly denying those assumptions. Now when its clear the tournament won't be moved anywhere (though it was always obvious to sane people) there's another batch of negative articles to come. Now its BBC. Yes, this is a corrupt country, with many problems to solve. But it won the right in fair competition and I think Ukraine deserves the chance, and will be up to it. If we fail to host Euro12 I cant even imagine the level of apathy and self-disbelief inside the country. The nation would probably suffer a horrible decline in confidence for many years...The BBC article is not even slightly balanced or informative. The author went to Ukraine and all he could write about 2012 preparations was this? He could've written it browsing the web for an hour from his home. I appreciate critics and harsh media investigations but that article is extremely one-sided and is nothing close to BBC standards, at least as I understand them

jtybinka

April 6th, 2009, 10:29 AM

Since we won the right to host 2012 I've read about a hundred articles in many 'respected media' like Gazetta dello Sport etc
This is not even worth to talk about, let`s talk about something imprtant.
Can you tell me what is the situation in Ukraine concerning roads/highways
connecting Euro 2012 towns ? what is the current situations, what are the plans , what plans are realistic/not realistic.

holier_than_dnipro

April 6th, 2009, 01:35 PM

Can you tell me what is the situation in Ukraine concerning roads/highways
connecting Euro 2012 towns ? what is the current situations, what are the plans , what plans are realistic/not realistic.
As I understand there are going to be problems with roads. The head of state road-building corp says that in 2008 just more than half of planned 1400 km were accomplished due to the sudden lack of construction loans from western banks. The main construction is scheduled for 2010-2011 and I dont know what is real and what is not for now. They say that uefa set stadiums and airports as priorities #1 and #2. Roads and public transport as well as the lack of hotels will be #3 and #4 for 2010-2011

Cracovia

April 6th, 2009, 01:44 PM

As I understand there are going to be problems with roads. The head of state road-building corp says that in 2008 just more than half of planned 1400 km were accomplished due to the sudden lack of construction loans from western banks. The main construction is scheduled for 2010-2011 and I dont know what is real and what is not for now. They say that uefa set stadiums and airports as priorities #1 and #2. Roads and public transport as well as the lack of hotels will be #3 and #4 for 2010-2011

good stratergy...lets hope the avaliable capital is invested well and not be wasted in the beaurocracy and administration, as i understand this is a serious problem in Ukraina.

ufonut

April 7th, 2009, 10:04 AM

Work on actual stadium in Gdansk will commence in one month. Contract will be signed this Friday. Ground works are almost finished.

Two tenders went beautifully - no delays, no contesting and below anticipated costs.

Chilenofuturista

April 7th, 2009, 01:44 PM

ufonut

April 7th, 2009, 06:37 PM

Poland-specific answers:

- How are the plans going regarding the infrastructural part?

Whole network of highways and expressways are under construction in Poland, you can track its progress and plans in the general infrastructure section under 'highways' sub heading.

Will they build high-speed rail lines between Poland and Ukraine?

- No. Poland is upgrading its east-west corridor (ukrainian border-Krakow-Katowice-Wroclaw-german border) to 160km/h. Also there is a Polish system called SUW2000 which allows quick bogie changes at the Poland-Ukraine border saving few hours.
Before the system was implemented trains used to be lifted and fitted to wider tracks.

Other soon to be upgraded lines are intra-Poland, for example Gdansk-Warszawa and Lodz-Warszawa or Poznan-Wroclaw linking host cities. Some lines are 200km/h, others 160km/h. 20 new Intercity trainsets will be running on these routes.

- Which ones? (Maps, anyone?)

Any train lines upgrades in Poland can be seen in Polish section under "Infrastruktura kolejowa". You can probably find some maps there too.

- What about new underground/tram lines/extensions?

Warsaw second metro line will not be finished before 2012. Most likely around 2014. Krakow has recently extended its fast tram network to include 2 underground sections in the city center.

Gdansk, Wroclaw and Poznan are all extending their tram network to include newly constructed stadiums. They are also buying trams. As far as Warsaw is concerned I'm not exactly sure if trams stop at "Stadion" station in the future but Warsaw has purchased a large amount of new trams (100 out 186 will be delivered by 2012).

Suburban trains will link Warsaw and Krakow airports with their respective city centres. Katowice will also get an airport train connection but probably around 2013.

- Thank you in advance!

Hope this helps.

Cracovia

April 8th, 2009, 12:01 AM

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_PgVtxymDiXc/Sdu9VH-3MgI/AAAAAAAAAIM/JJ5azgQ8bOQ/s720/IMG_5870_filtered.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_PgVtxymDiXc/Sdu9WW8VyiI/AAAAAAAAAIU/F9U1zB7QAzk/s720/IMG_5869%27_filtered.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_PgVtxymDiXc/Sdu9XEo2ppI/AAAAAAAAAIc/EHPVLkB4IPE/s720/IMG_5889%27_filtered.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_PgVtxymDiXc/Sdu9YAyy0GI/AAAAAAAAAIk/0O-bB-dfh40/s720/IMG_5898%27_filtered.jpg

Poznan, not best quality

Warsawbynight

April 9th, 2009, 04:53 PM

We have results for the stadium construction in Wrocław and Warszawa!

Wrocław- Mostostal!:
http://miasta.gazeta.pl/wroclaw/1,35751,6484835,Mostostal_Warszawa_zbuduje_wroclawski_stadion.html

Warszawa- Hydrobudowa!:
http://miasta.gazeta.pl/warszawa/1,95190,6484940,Wiemy__kto_zbuduje_Stadion_Narodowy.html

A great day for Poland!!

paku

April 9th, 2009, 05:53 PM

Indeed! From this moment on there is basically no reason to be worried about stadiums any more. :okay:

rakim

April 9th, 2009, 05:58 PM

Gdańsk:
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/5554/179028.jpg
Hydrobudowa Polska, Alpine Bau Deutschland, Alpine Construction Polska
522 mln PLN ~ 120 mln EUR

Wrocław:
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9606/stadionmiejskiwewroclaw.jpg
Mostostal Warszawa S.A., J & P AVAX S.A.
730 mln PLN ~ 168 mln EUR

Warszawa:
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9960/frluftbildso251774g.jpg
Hydrobudowa Polska, Alpine Bau Deutschland, PBG
1,528 mld PLN ~ 351 mln EUR

Wrocław and Gdańsk will start construction within a few days, Warszawa - few weeks.

ufonut

April 9th, 2009, 06:34 PM

Beautiful. Modernization of Slaski in Chorzow is the last one on the "to do list". It should start in 3 months.

Dancerus Wallace

April 9th, 2009, 10:59 PM

Great day :banana::cheers:

karejeeta

April 10th, 2009, 05:16 AM

Amazing everything is going accourding to plan in Poland except the second metro line in Warsaw

Pher

April 10th, 2009, 09:22 AM

I've a question about the logo. Is that an official logo, or is it only temporary?

http://blog.e-alw.com/fot/euro%202012/euro_2012.jpg

The "candidate for Euro 2012" doesn't fit

KruEv

April 10th, 2009, 08:20 PM

Odessa :cheers2:

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http://www.chernomorets.odessa.ua/img/news/photos/2835_news_3.jpg?2
http://www.chernomorets.odessa.ua/img/news/photos/2835_news_11.jpg?6
http://www.chernomorets.odessa.ua/img/news/photos/2835_news_12.jpg?7
http://www.chernomorets.odessa.ua/img/news/photos/2835_news_14.jpg?8
http://www.chernomorets.odessa.ua/img/news/photos/2835_news_19.jpg?9
http://www.chernomorets.odessa.ua/img/news/photos/2835_news_24.jpg?10
http://www.chernomorets.odessa.ua/img/news/photos/2835_news_15.jpg?11

Triceratops

April 10th, 2009, 10:30 PM

kpsk

April 10th, 2009, 11:06 PM

It is our reality. Now try to imagine situation in Ukraine.

Warsawbynight

April 11th, 2009, 12:15 AM

I've just arrived from the trip, during which I went through Poland, and must tell you that it's not that good as I expected.. many intercity roads are in poor quality, one side each way, huge traffic jams, highways are only in big cities' areas, the level of hotel service is also low, public transportation is not in so good condition.. in general, it is quite hard to get to the destinations!! :ohno:

Well, I don't know about which cities are you talking about.. The host cities will have mainly perfect motorway connection and bypasses, you were maybe in deep province. Traffic jams yes, but also cause we are rich and have many cars. Low hotel service level? bullshit- it's very good. What do you mean with public transportation?

exclusiv

April 11th, 2009, 01:36 AM

@ Triceratops

You could give some examples, where you went, what road did you took, where you stayed. It's obvious that if you slept in a 1 or 2 star hotel/motel you could'nt get a perfect service.. For the roads, keep in mind that it's between 2009 and 2011 that most of the roads are going to be constructed. As for public transportation, in my opinion it is very good, even when you compare to North American systems, and the autorities are improving it constantly ex.186 trams purchased by Warsaw this month.. Anyway, progress is on the way and I think that Euro 2012 tourists will not be dissapointed so much as you!:)

Matthew222

April 11th, 2009, 12:52 PM

Triceratops Euro2012 is prepared with though of our western guest and less of the eastern thats the different ;) If you been traveling somewhere near Polish-Lithuanian boarder near Suwałki for Eastern shoppings then dont expect alot of develop there ;)

ufonut

April 11th, 2009, 01:01 PM

Sorry but public transportation in Poland is probably the best in Central and Eastern Europe by far. Extensive lines, all new buses, electronic ticketing systems, GPS-enabled route planners, electronic card distribution systems, LCD route displays, visual aids etc.

You will be hard pressed to find any other country in CE with the same.

Of course in smaller towns some may not be available but still compared to other countries in the region there is a big difference.

By 2012 host cities in Poland will have equal or better public transportation systems to those in Western Europe. One only needs to see what is being done in every Polish city today and plans for 2012.

KruEv

April 11th, 2009, 01:49 PM

huge traffic jams,
use subways! :lol:

Virgileq

April 11th, 2009, 02:03 PM

@Triceratops:

Is it really strange that in Poland You found traffic jams then almost 70% of all express ways, and highways are under construction? ;)

Triceratops

April 11th, 2009, 02:34 PM

DJRexxx

April 11th, 2009, 02:47 PM

^^^ true true

ufonut

April 11th, 2009, 02:56 PM

I went from LT border (Suwalki) to DE border (Slubice). So, I took roads number 8, then 61, then I went on Warsaw bypass (Torunska str), after I took road number 2, which further became into real highway (first highway in Poland after having driven half of Poland!!), then the road became again only two sided until DE border (not far from the border I witnessed a big crash of polish and belgian cars, belgian must have thought the road was two sides each way, not one side, "how is it possible?!" :nuts:). As I understood, most part of the roads which are being reconstructed atm are exactly those, which are only two sided, due to what, there are big traffic jams! Driving through big cities on my way I saw many Ikarus buses, very old trams, some hotel buildings were in really bad condition, that's just outside, I don't even want to think how they look from the inside! And the thing which shocks me all the time I visit Poland is an enormous quantity of advertisements and publicity located absolutely everywhere!!

So you have actually gone though only one big city - Warsaw. You bypassed Poznan via A2. A2 will be extended from Warsaw to the German border before 2012. There are some Ikarus buses in Warsaw but it's quite a rare sight, they are being taken out of circulation continuously. Over 350 old trams in Warsaw will also be decommissioned and replaced by modern low floor trams (186 to be exact - 100 before mid 2012).

Yes ads are everywhere and it is a real problem.

When you come in 2012 you will see a different Poland. We couldn't do everything in 2 years (since being awarded 2012). It is simply not possible to make up for 60 years of lack of development but by 2012 you will see some major differences.

Jasix

April 11th, 2009, 08:14 PM

In case of roads in 2012:

green colour - done
red colour - under construction
yellow colour - probably done, but not 100% of certain
pink colour - two important roads, but we have no idea if they will be completed till Euro 2012

http://i40.tinypic.com/2qmj0cm.png

Our west guests will have great connections to host cities, our east will have some problems.

Cracovia

April 11th, 2009, 09:40 PM

people going from Wroclaw to Poznan by car will have a nightmare ;) though i must admit your map is a bit pessismistic, how did you come about this result?

Biesiada

April 11th, 2009, 10:05 PM

i drove around 6000 km in the last 2 months and my opinion as for 11.04.2009 is that:

- 60 % of roads are in EU condition
- 20 % of roads have some potholes
- 38 % are passible but nothing spectacular
- 2 % are in african state
- i also encountered one road ( 10 km) and it was build accoring to roman empire style ( stones)
- 1 out of 50 cars passing by is a possible suicider

Cracovia

April 11th, 2009, 10:40 PM

WMS

April 12th, 2009, 01:14 AM

U said:
, the level of hotel service is also low,
After that:
some hotel buildings were in really bad condition, that's just outside, I don't even want to think how they look from the inside!

So, wtf u know about the level of hotel service? U haven't even been inside !

btw
some hotel buildings were in really bad condition, that's just outside, I don't even want to think how they look from the inside!
This is about some hotel 50km from Warsaw city centre or maybe about one of 11 Warsaw's 5 star hotels?

Jasix

April 12th, 2009, 09:06 AM

people going from Wroclaw to Poznan by car will have a nightmare ;) though i must admit your map is a bit pessismistic, how did you come about this result?

It's not my map mate, but I suppose it is a realistic one. I hope that A2 to Warsaw will be done for Euro 2012. It has to be!

Triceratops

April 12th, 2009, 11:34 AM

Cracovia

April 12th, 2009, 11:48 AM

too bad there still will not be good connection with Warsaw from the North-Eastern side..

The problem is the lake district and country side is of great ecological value so it is hard to slap a motorway in the middle of it ;)

Jasix

April 12th, 2009, 12:48 PM

5 star Hilton in the center of Wrocław (29.03.2009)

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/272/272547.jpg

Project:

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/4308/z4308773X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/1/4308/z4308741X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/4308/z4308743X.jpg

jtybinka

April 12th, 2009, 02:11 PM

too bad there still will not be good connection with Warsaw from the North-Eastern side..

@WMS, I have been in polish hotels several times, believe me, I know how some of them look! sure, there are beautiful examples of such structures, but the problem is that you still have many old Eastern block-style hotel buildings, with hardly any reconstruction made!

I have some knowledge concerning Krakow and Wroclaw
1)hotels in Krakow are super - didn`t see any Eastern block-style ,
there are plenty of them big small , top level , medium level , I could tell you never ending list of them - Amadeus , Copernicus , Park Inn , Sheraton.......
hmmm - one small thing there are some hotels in Poland and Krakow as well
where workers stay , even workers from abroad , they must be bad becasue they are so cheap , if you want to pay 50 - 80 zloty a night then in every country hotel will be bad - I don`t see any problem to find cool hotel in Poland, it`s very simple hotels are as market demands.
2)public transport - in Krakow only new buses Scania , Solaris , Mercedes , Jelcz , Neoplan - not even one Ikraus
3)public transport - Wroclaw, saw Ikarus but only few , lot of Volvo , many new Mercedes Citaro
4)trams - in Krakow 50 new Bombardier trams , in Wroclaw some Skoda trams,
I agree many old trams but...... be carefull , one tram price = 8 buses price,
so everywhere around trams are old - Praha , Brno
(even 13 years ago I was so surprised that most of the buses in Poznan were Neoplan), I general public transport is OK
5) enormous quantity of advertisements – THAT`S GREAT !!!!! – means there are hundreds of thousands small firms everywhere in Poland – big competition,
6)roads - that`s a REAL problem , they are BAD , most of the highways are under contruction - I AGREE WITH YOU ,
as well the map that somebody presented above is completely BAD , the situation does not look so good as the map shows

Jasix

April 12th, 2009, 02:31 PM

the map that somebody presented above is completely BAD , the situation does not look so good as the map shows

What do you mean?

Pher

April 12th, 2009, 02:35 PM

I live nearby the Hilton Hotel :) And it'll be the most breathtaking building that I've ever seen :)

Cracovia

April 12th, 2009, 02:41 PM

What do you mean?

maybe he thinks the map was at this time today.

jtybinka

April 12th, 2009, 05:53 PM

What do you mean?

green colour - done - looks green is mixed with light blue , light blue means
DSU - which is environmental decission
red colour - under construction - many mistakes
yellow colour - probably done, but not 100% of certain - means pending tender for the construction
pink colour - two important roads, but we have no idea if they will be completed till Euro 2012

in general map has so many mistakes that it`s difficult to explain
better look here , this map is real (does not include DSU and pending tenders but can not find this map now but you can find it as well on other pages of the link)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=441854&page=109

what is good is the fact that Poland is really becoming the biggest motorway construction place in the Europe

jtybinka

April 12th, 2009, 05:58 PM

I hope that some colleague who put lot of effort to count it won't be angry if I copy/paste his hard work , but you can see what roads will be built soon
I said Poland is a big motorway construction place becasue of 1000 km pending tenders for motorways

Podsumowanie. Drogi klas A i S: - summary of highways A and S type

Istniejące: 1347 km - existing 1347 km

W budowie: 477 km - razem 1824 km - under construction 477km, together - 1824km

W przetargach: 1018 km - razem 2842 km - currently pending tenders -1018km, together 2842km

Planowane nastepne przetargi w 2009: 809 km - razem 3651 km - planned tenders in 2009 - 809km, together 3651km

Triceratops

April 12th, 2009, 06:34 PM

Jasix

April 12th, 2009, 06:59 PM

why can't your government understand that?!

Our government understands that and it is doing it's best to improve the situation. Unfortunately we haven't got so many resources to build all roads in the same time... I think that about 80-90% of planned polish roads will be done before 2015. Than you will have great connection with our country :)

Current state of polish roads:

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5007/kopiamapassc.gif

blue - motorways
pink - express roads

jtybinka

April 12th, 2009, 08:43 PM

good to hear that the motorway construction is booming in Poland! but mainly all of them will be directed to the Western side! don't you think there will be coming many people from North-Eastern direction?! and not just coming - Poland is the only way for Baltic or even Scandinavian people to get to Western and Central Europe or in some cases to Ukraine!! it is highly needed to have a good connection between W and E Europe for many people, and Poland is exactly that link!! why can't your government understand that?!

yes...... but............
the government agency GDDKiA simply checks number of cars an hour / a day
that passes some road , then first they build roads with the highes traffic,
probably S8 from Warsaw to Suwalki is not as busy as S8 Wroclaw - Lodz
as well you can see that some small parts of S8 with the highest traffic to Suwalki is completed Radzymin-Wyszkow , Ostrow Maz. bypass,
this year they started the tender for Zambrow bypass, Augustow bypass
the construction was cancelled because they chose stupid route via Rospuda
so they need to build it another way , so you see they do something

as well we build motorways NOT for Euro 2012 , Euro is only 20 days :-)

jtybinka

April 12th, 2009, 08:53 PM

Cracovia

April 13th, 2009, 02:18 AM

let me add another small comments concerning hotels , you travelled
Suwalki ---> Warsaw -----> German border , on your way I don`t see
any town where it would make sense to do hotel investments ,
with the exception of Warsaw (but Warsaw of course has enough hotels
capital city,big business traffic and bla bla )

how about all the Mazury lake district?? Poznan? Konin?, dont exagerate on this issue

Jasix

April 13th, 2009, 09:51 AM

Wrocław:

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/273/273973.jpg

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/273/273972.jpg

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/273/273966.jpg

KruEv

April 13th, 2009, 11:15 AM

Donetsk

12/04/09

http://s50.radikal.ru/i127/0904/ed/571deddb513b.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

Cracovia

April 13th, 2009, 11:31 AM

jtybinka

April 13th, 2009, 12:30 PM

how about all the Mazury lake district?? Poznan? Konin?, dont exagerate on this issue

I rather mean the towns you can see when you travel by DK8 , DK2 , A2,
you don`t see Poznan becasue you take Poznan A2 bypass,
Mazury lakes are 100 km west from DK8 , maybe Augustow is a place for hotels.
Anyway I want to say that it`s difficult to have a right opinion about hotels in Poland if you travel by DK8/DK2/A2

Warsawbynight

April 13th, 2009, 12:49 PM

good to hear that the motorway construction is booming in Poland! but mainly all of them will be directed to the Western side! don't you think there will be coming many people from North-Eastern direction?! and not just coming - Poland is the only way for Baltic or even Scandinavian people to get to Western and Central Europe or in some cases to Ukraine!! it is highly needed to have a good connection between W and E Europe for many people, and Poland is exactly that link!! why can't your government understand that?!

Sorry, but I must say that! North east direction is marginal for Poland! The most important is West-East and North-South! We don't care too much about DK8! DK2 which you drove from Warsaw to Łódź will not be any significant road in 2012!We will have motorway A2 from Warsaw to German border.
Then if you are talking about Warsaw infrastructure, you should notice, that old trams are everywhere in Europe, like Milan, or Prague, it's normal. You can meet old buses everywhere (in particularly Prague). Anyway there are most new ones , the same like trams. Warsaw has very good local railway connections which will help our Metro to be more efficient.

In one word, you just took one provincial road (DK 8) and then the other one that will not be in use anymore (DK2) and you generalize about our roads.

About advertisements, I agree, but it doesn't make anysense to talk about it. It's nothing disturbing for infrastructure

paku

April 13th, 2009, 01:16 PM

Have a good look at how the Wroclaw area looks at the moment. On tuesday the heavy equipment is coming in, the A8 motorway will pass by, there will be a passanger terminal for trams and busses and a huge mall.

http://d.polskatimes.pl/k/r/11/a0/af/49c1f87c44d88_k1.jpg
^^mall

If they wanted to build something to earn money for the stadium year around, they should have made something like a theme park with rollercoasters instead of a malls, we've like a zillion of such malls already.

Triceratops

April 13th, 2009, 03:51 PM

when I went from German border through Wroclaw and in direction to Warsaw, that was bitter to go on such roads! will there be a good connection from Wroclaw to Warsaw? and with Lodz?

Warsawbynight

April 13th, 2009, 04:34 PM

when I went from German border through Wroclaw and in direction to Warsaw, that was bitter to go on such roads! will there be a good connection from Wroclaw to Warsaw? and with Lodz?

No, because it's not in the program for 2012!When you will travel from Wrocław to Warsaw, you can go through Częstochowa and then with motorway A1, A2!Through Łódź!

VelesHomais

April 13th, 2009, 08:05 PM

Cracovia

April 13th, 2009, 09:05 PM

No, because it's not in the program for 2012!When you will travel from Wrocław to Warsaw, you can go through Częstochowa and then with motorway A1, A2!Through Łódź!

It was but due to a collosal argument over the route of the road, it will not all be finished on time. This disagreement caused the road to have at least a year long delay. Parts of it will be done ;)

Warsawbynight

April 13th, 2009, 09:30 PM

It was but due to a collosal argument over the route of the road, it will not all be finished on time. This disagreement caused the road to have at least a year long delay. Parts of it will be done ;)

But this road is not crucial. The most important is A2 from german border to Warsaw and A1 from Toruń to Łódź now. Even A4 to ukrainian border is not so important for EURO 2012

jtybinka

April 13th, 2009, 10:00 PM

I made some specific ukrainian infrastructure threads for foreigners to read

Lviv new airport terminal. Construction just started.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=847792

Kharkiv new airport terminal. Construction is ongoing for several months.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=832386

I'll make the ones for Kyiv and Odesa later on

GREAT
will you have some info about Donetsk and Dnepropetrovsk ?

Kharkiv - passenger capacity to be increased from 129,000 to 850,000 annually - isn`t it a mistake in this number - 850,000 is nothing
see Lviv - 2000 an hour which means more then 5 million annually

UEFA will not accept 850 000 - they need capacity - not sure but something
like half of stadium capacity during 20 hours ,
that`s why Wroclaw has a big problem becasue they have 1,2 million annually which is few times less then they need and they have to build new terminal

jtybinka

April 13th, 2009, 10:08 PM

It was but due to a collosal argument over the route of the road, it will not all be finished on time. This disagreement caused the road to have at least a year long delay. Parts of it will be done ;)
there is pending tender for Wroclaw - Sycow section so should be ready before 2012 , but Sycow - Lodz is a big question - they are working to get DSU (environmental document )
then Lodz - Warszawa - hopefully A2 should be ready

VelesHomais

April 13th, 2009, 10:45 PM

GREAT
will you have some info about Donetsk and Dnepropetrovsk ?

Kharkiv - passenger capacity to be increased from 129,000 to 850,000 annually - isn`t it a mistake in this number - 850,000 is nothing
see Lviv - 2000 an hour which means more then 5 million annually

UEFA will not accept 850 000 - they need capacity - not sure but something
like half of stadium capacity during 20 hours ,
that`s why Wroclaw has a big problem becasue they have 1,2 million annually which is few times less then they need and they have to build new terminal

Hmm, I'm not really interested in airports, but maybe you are right, I'll check if that's a mistake.

I know that Dnipropetrovsk is going to build a "temporary terminal" for 2012 and Donetsk is finishing building a new runway, able to receive all types of planes and they have a plan for a new terminal, but I'm not sure if construction started. I'll open threads for all of them later, I'm at work right now, a bit busy :)

jtybinka

April 13th, 2009, 11:23 PM

Indeed! From this moment on there is basically no reason to be worried about stadiums any more. :okay:

I was never worried - stadiums is nothing just a piece of cake , same airports,
trams - for instance Wroclaw - costs
1.new Skoda trams for tram PLUS system - 200 milion zloty
2.new Wroclaw aiport - 400 milion
3.stadium of Wroclaw - 729 milion
4.Wroclaw motorway bypass - 3 MILLIARD :ohno:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
new stadiums in Poland - 4 milliard
motorways/expressways that we are building in Poland - 150 MILLIARD :ohno:

wholagun

April 14th, 2009, 03:20 AM

"Milliard" in English "Billion"

CrazySerb

April 14th, 2009, 07:19 AM

So how many Skoda trams can 200 million zlotys (~46 million euros) buy? 15-20 trams?

sądeczanin_pol

April 14th, 2009, 09:15 AM

So how many Skoda trams can 200 million zlotys (~46 million euros) buy? 15-20 trams?

^^
http://infotram.pl/text.php?from=mail&id=23855 (http://translate.google.pl/translate?prev=hp&hl=pl&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Finfotram.pl%2Ftext.php%3Ffrom%3Dmail%26id%3D23855&sl=pl&tl=en&swap=1)

Skoda will make 28 new trams for Wrocław, which will be supplying consecutively from the begining of 2011 to 2012.

Triceratops

April 14th, 2009, 01:46 PM

so all the public transport system in Poland will be modernized by 2012, right?

Matthew222

April 14th, 2009, 01:46 PM

http://infobus.pl/files/23854/16t_wrocaw_760.jpg

tomi1975

April 14th, 2009, 04:13 PM

so all the public transport system in Poland will be modernized by 2012, right?

I wish you're right :nuts:
there will be lots of new tramways, buses, trains, but unfortunately most of train stations will stay as they are now and only selected tram lines will be upgraded and modernised. However situation will improve radically in terms of comfort and safety of public transportation systems in Poland.

VelesHomais

April 14th, 2009, 07:46 PM

Made two more threads on ukrainian airport constructions

Odesa
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=849088

Donetsk
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=849106

Triceratops

April 14th, 2009, 07:48 PM

ok, now it's all clear with Poland, and it's high time we hear at least something concerning transportation infrastructure being improved in Ukraine!

VelesHomais

April 14th, 2009, 08:08 PM

Airports are not transportation infrastructure?

jtybinka

April 14th, 2009, 08:10 PM

when it comes to Poland just look at government Masterplan
there you find all projects with time frames,
(only motorways are not updated yet but as I told you this a BIG task
the rest including stadiums is much easier, so the time frames for most of
motorways are not clear yet , but it should be updated when they have
more info about running tenders)

http://masterplan.2012.org.pl/index_en.php

and here lot of news as well
http://www.2012.org.pl/en.html

exclusiv

April 15th, 2009, 08:18 AM

Jasix

April 15th, 2009, 11:16 AM

http://infobus.pl/files/23854/16t_wrocaw_760.jpg

Great photo of Wrocław :)

Triceratops

April 15th, 2009, 03:01 PM

it would be a big shame for Ukraine actually to have only 3 cities! I really hope they will make a decission to have equal quantity of host cities in both countries! :cheers:

Mati-PL

April 15th, 2009, 05:57 PM

We have an unofficial news that in Poland the chosen cities will be : Warsaw,Wroclaw,Gdansk,Krakow,Poznan. Chorzow is eliminated from the list and if necessary, Poznan is the next. UEFA may choose 5 cities in Poland and 3 in Ukraine, but it is only rumors for now so we will see later this week or in May.:)
It's only stupid rumour. Even our Sport Minister said that.

Also Michel Platini said today in Kyiv that the only one criterion in choosing host cities will be advance in works.

Poznan is buying this year 25 low floor buses. Until 2012 wants to buy 100 LF buses (for 100 mln zloty, 20-25 mln euro) and as it was said here before 40 (60) new LF trams.
Right now Poznan's City Transport System has got 280 modern, low floor buses and 30 old which are used on night lines.

http://www.galeriapgk.com/galeria/data/media/41/_DSC4963.jpg
photo from www.galeriapgk.com

Jasix

April 15th, 2009, 06:50 PM

Platini in Poland! Some great shots of National Stadium in Warsaw by Blekitny 24. Enjoy!

9XuCmhg2HT8
CI6YRyFz5C0
662XyeUKagU

:cheers:

Triceratops

April 15th, 2009, 07:50 PM

so, what are the results of Platini's visits, someone knows?

jtybinka

April 15th, 2009, 07:56 PM

just checked what buses they have in Gdansk looks that only new
no Ikarus :)
see the list
-------------------------
MAN NL263 / NL283
MAN NG313
Mercedes-Benz Citaro
Mercedes-Benz O405N
Mercedes-Benz O405GN2
Neoplan N4016
Neoplan N4020/3
Solaris Urbino 12
Solaris Urbino 18

so far we know that - Gdansk, Poznan , Wroclaw, Krakow has very good buses

trams in Gdansk as well same like Krakow , Gdansk , Wroclaw
some new but more then the half - old

see trams in Gdansk
------------------------------------
Konstal 105N
Konstal 114Na
Alstom Citadis NGd99
Düwag N8C
Bombardier Flexity Classic NGT6-2GD

jtybinka

April 15th, 2009, 08:02 PM

the biggest tender for trams is in Warsaw - 186 trams
the winner is PESA but there are some protests (Alstom)
so we have to wait until they sign the contract
the price - about 1 billion

jtybinka

April 15th, 2009, 08:09 PM

PESA tramhttp://bi.gazeta.pl/im/5/6401/z6401235X.jpg

Warsawbynight

April 15th, 2009, 08:59 PM

PESA tramhttp://bi.gazeta.pl/im/5/6401/z6401235X.jpg

Pesa tram in Warsaw- as you can see, there are many new trams in Warsaw already

VelesHomais

April 15th, 2009, 09:05 PM

jtybinka, you were right about Kharkiv, that was a mistake. It's going to handle 1300 passengers per hour.

Cracovia

April 15th, 2009, 10:00 PM

check out page 105, news bout pesa's already there

jtybinka

April 16th, 2009, 09:53 AM

buses are designed to use 10 years , trams 30 years so it`s normal that most of the buses in Poland are new but so many trams are old , tram produced in 1985 is not very old yet
you pay for the tram 8x bus price so you can not replace them like buses
(well tram is much longer so it can be 3x - which is ok - 10 years -30 years,
price 3x)

DocentX

April 16th, 2009, 11:26 AM

New hotel in Krakow - very nice design :cheers:

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/6464/z6464143X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/0/6460/z6460830X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/8/6460/z6460778X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/0/6459/z6459040X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/2/6464/z6464142X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/6464/z6464173X.jpg

Triceratops

April 16th, 2009, 02:07 PM

I wonder, will once Ukraine get at least some new trams?! and not only trams, but mainly all public transportation system is in too bad condition there.. are there any news regarding improvements of this type of infrastructure?

VelesHomais

April 16th, 2009, 11:23 PM

All cities in Ukraine are buying new buses from time to time, depending on how much money the city has or problems with lobby groups. For instance in Dnipro there are no new city buses because there's a strong lobby group from private-bus companies.

New Ukrainian-made tram has been presented recently
http://glavnoe.kharkov.ua/UserFiles/Image/tramvaj.jpg

Euro2012 hosting cities may start buying them up, as they are 40% cheaper than other Dnipro-made Ukrainian trams

VelesHomais

April 16th, 2009, 11:27 PM

New buses in Donetsk
http://i065.radikal.ru/0902/2b/425e294d4857.jpg

http://preview.unian.net/500/180/180622.jpg

http://preview.unian.net/500/180/180619.jpg

VelesHomais

April 16th, 2009, 11:50 PM

Some new hotels, 3-5 stars, some transformed into hotels from old buildings

Built, under construction or preparation stage

Kyiv
http://img-kiev.fotki.yandex.ru/get/3308/hawk5555.57/0_2ad15_a8f99534_XL

http://img-kiev.fotki.yandex.ru/get/3201/hawk5555.29/0_1f4ad_94ef7114_XL

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3311/hawk5555.66/0_2da2f_f5d74614_XL

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3314/hawk5555.66/0_2da2b_e287265f_XL

http://img-kiev.fotki.yandex.ru/get/3107/hawk5555.31/0_265d8_b30e0595_XL

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3310/hawk5555.6c/0_2db89_ce6b793b_XL

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3110/hawk5555.6c/0_2db84_2c658a37_XL

http://www.diarso-hotel.com.ua/data/image/photos/img_32523028276.jpg

http://www.diarso-hotel.com.ua/data/image/photos/img_28798351936.jpg

http://www.diarso-hotel.com.ua/data/image/photos/img_48134692531.jpg

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3210/hawk5555.47/0_2a0a9_5cd2bdfa_XL

http://img-kiev.fotki.yandex.ru/get/3211/hawk5555.47/0_2a0ac_da50fa33_XL

hyatt
http://kiev.regency.hyatt.com/hyatt/images/hotels/kievh/gallery_1.jpg

http://kiev.regency.hyatt.com/hyatt/images/hotels/kievh/gallery_2.jpg

http://kiev.regency.hyatt.com/hyatt/images/hotels/kievh/gallery_3.jpg

http://kiev.regency.hyatt.com/hyatt/images/hotels/kievh/gallery_11.jpg

http://kiev.regency.hyatt.com/hyatt/images/hotels/kievh/gallery_8.jpg

http://kiev.regency.hyatt.com/hyatt/images/hotels/kievh/gallery_6.jpg

http://commercialproperty.ua/upload/iblock/350/IMG_9480_9.jpg

http://img-kiev.fotki.yandex.ru/get/52/hawk5555.22/0_13434_db3b6ec5_-1-XL

radisson
http://images.acase.ru/hotels_images/ua_iev_rki00.jpg

http://img-kiev.fotki.yandex.ru/get/52/hawk5555.1c/0_1270f_3741796_XL

Strange little hotel :)
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/52/hawk5555.15/0_1129d_c2c1207b_XL

Hilton u/c
http://i42.tinypic.com/2hgbvoo.jpg

Sheraton (multifunctional skyscrapers)
http://www.kandevelopment.com/upload/iblock/fc5/001.jpg

http://www.kandevelopment.com/upload/iblock/e32/008.jpg

U/C
http://www.nest.com.ua/uploads/tx_sksimplegallery/albom3.jpg

Hotel/Office
http://www.kandevelopment.com/upload/iblock/1e5/001.jpg

Regent
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3211/hawk5555.39/0_28fee_b626c224_XL

Sofitel
http://21.com.ua/i.php?product_id=27&url_id=1&width=373

Central
http://www.grad-stroy.com.ua/components/com_stroygallery/img_originals/95B0027942F9-6.jpg

http://www.kddgroup.com.ua/images_proj/n08_1.jpg

http://www.kddgroup.com.ua/images_proj/n08_2.jpg

http://www.architektonix.com/images/architecture/jar_val_v20001.jpg

http://devision.com.ua/images/projects/8/big_V_Spusk6_3.1_255.jpg

http://devision.com.ua/images/projects/8/V_Spusk6_1.2_525.jpg

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3309/hawk5555.39/0_28feb_1a965d9_XL

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/19/hawk5555.3/0_1012c_1833b961_XL

http://img-kiev.fotki.yandex.ru/get/51/hawk5555.3/0_10125_c1758aaf_XL

http://img-kiev.fotki.yandex.ru/get/19/hawk5555.3/0_10126_6f941693_XL

http://archunion.com.ua/sekcia/img-s/2007/12/s_12_055.jpg

http://archunion.com.ua/sekcia/img-s/2007/12/s_12_056.jpg

Not new but a nice one
http://archunion.com.ua/souz/p-005/003.jpg

http://archunion.com.ua/souz/p-005/009.jpg

VelesHomais

April 16th, 2009, 11:58 PM

Donetsk

4 stars, u/c right now
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb131/AlexFromAlczewsk/30102008599.jpg

http://modul-ac.com.ua/img/big/B1_2.jpg

Some completed ones
1. Донбасс Палас | Donbass Palace (*****) - http://donbasspalace.com
2. Отель Риальто (****) - http://www.rialto.com.ua
3. Гостиничный комплекс Виктория (****) - http://www.victoria.ua
4. Готель Прага - http://www.praguehotel.com.ua
5. Отель "Централь" (***) http://www.hotel-central.com.ua/
6. Отель "Атлас" (***)
7. Гостиница "Украина" (**)
8. Гостиница "Шахтер" (**)
9. Гостница "Дружба" (**)
10. Гостиница "Нива"

Golden SKy u/c
http://s57.radikal.ru/i157/0903/71/229faca9c99c.jpg

http://www.genplan.donetsk.ua/files/Image/311008/1%20%286%29.jpg

Proposed
http://www.gerc.com.ua/i/Image/press/_mg_3539_1-big.jpg

But Donetsk is not a tourist infrastructure (industrial city), there will be temporary accommodating structures for 2012

Atlas Hotel is preparing for Euro 2009 in Donetsk
http://ostro.org/frmtext/FOTOFAKT/hasi%20k%20evro/01.jpg

http://ostro.org/frmtext/FOTOFAKT/hasi%20k%20evro/02.jpg

Iluminat

April 17th, 2009, 02:44 AM

^^some good projects I'm surprised:yes:

karejeeta

April 17th, 2009, 03:37 AM

Can anyone post any picutres of hotels and buildings that are u/c and proposed from Warsaw?

jtybinka

April 17th, 2009, 12:05 PM

check out page 105, news bout pesa's already there
SURE , on 105 there as well PERFECT map that tells everything about motorways - even government doesn't have such good.

as well yesterday since 2 years we could here from Platini first time an opinion concerning roads - he said motorways must be build becasue not only fans but technical TV cars need to travel between Euro towns.

So he said motorways must be finished and as well he said that he does not see any single big problem that Poland couldn`t solve
But we know that will have problem with S5 (Wroclaw-Poznan-Grudziac)
and S8 (Wroclaw-Lodz)
Really interesting what plans have government concerning roads - they said yesterday that in May we know what towns will have matches so we know what motorways are necessary but in every scenario S5 looks necessary
but it`s rather not possible to finish it.

DocentX

April 17th, 2009, 02:01 PM

Can anyone post any picutres of hotels and buildings that are u/c and proposed from Warsaw?

If you are interested on what is u/c in Warsaw check this thread :

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=67412&page=76

BTW in terms of hotels Warsaw is in perfect situation - we already have all those Mariotts, Sofitels, Radissons, Hiltons, Hyatts, Sheratons etc.

The quality of service is a world class:

Warsaw's Bristol hotel was voted as 11th best hotel in Europe in 2008.

Mariott hotel in Warsaw was voted four times the best business hotel in central and eastern Europe.

Majestic

April 17th, 2009, 04:47 PM

Wow, that's some impressive and stylish hotels you have there in Ukraine!

There's just one thing, this one looks utterly disgusting... :wallbash:
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3314/hawk5555.66/0_2da2b_e287265f_XL

ruslan33

April 17th, 2009, 05:42 PM

^nice updates Burislav but I doubt that western football fans will stay in 4-5 star hotels in big ukrainian cities where prices are amazing high. Ukraine needs to build more 3-4 star hotels instead of those luxury elite hotels which aren't affordable for most soccer fans arriving in 2012.

Triceratops

April 17th, 2009, 05:47 PM

:omg: I'm so surprised to see such amazing and absolutely wonderful hotel projects that are done or u/c atm in Ukraine, as well as those which are proposed!! way to go! so, I think questions about hotel infrastructure there might disappear! :banana: and public transportation is also being improved, that's great! :) how it would be nice to see development of main highways in Ukraine! ;)

VelesHomais

April 17th, 2009, 06:08 PM

There will be no problem with hotel infrastructure. Cities which are tourist friendly: Kyiv, Lviv, Odessa have a hotel-boom right now. Non-touristy cities of Donetsk, Dnipro and to a lesser extent Kharkiv are also building hotels but with accommodate all the extra 2012 tourists in temporary hotels which will be turned into buildings of other purpose after the championship.

Due to the crisis and stupid government, new highways will not appear for the most part, but all the main roads with be reconstructed/repaired. This is already being done this year, you can find the list of roads reconstructed in 2009 on ukrainian forum, I'll report it here later.

Airports in Kyiv, Kharkiv, Lviv, Donetsk and Odessa are in different stages of constructing new terminals and runways.

Our trams and buses are inadequate but they are being slowly but steadily renewed with Ukrainian and foreign-made new buses. Although our new trams look like old ones in the west sometimes :) but we're not very concerned with their looks at the moment. But at the same time ukrainian buses already look as good as the best western counterparts.

LAZ, buses and trolleys.
Made in Lviv
http://www.mashke.org/kievtram/pictures/trol/laz183/laz183-2909-16-20060715-sofiya-AK.jpg

Bogdan, also buses and trolleys.
Made in Lutsk and Cherkasy
http://lpe.at.ua/_ph/2/2/900693762.jpg

Triceratops

April 17th, 2009, 09:06 PM

@VelesHomais, thanks for such clearified info of current Ukrainian situation, that's exactly what lacked here!! :banana:

kpsk

April 17th, 2009, 10:34 PM

Too bad Lviv's airport is awful. I hope they're going to build it from scratch.

VelesHomais

April 17th, 2009, 11:33 PM

What do you mean from scratch, destroying the 80 year old structure? Of course not! A new, separate terminal will be constructed, but the old one will remain, probably renovated a bit, but otherwise unchanged.

VelesHomais

April 17th, 2009, 11:35 PM

Actually some roads will be built:

Mінтранс дає 500 мільйонів на дороги

Міністерство транспорту і зв`язку України в 2009 році виділило 500 млн. грн. на будівництво окружних доріг у містах, що приймають Євро-2012.
Як передає кореспондент УНІАН, про це повідомив сьогодні журналістам у Дніпропетровську міністр транспорту і зв`язку України Йосип ВІНСЬКИЙ.
За його словами, на окружну дорогу в західній частині Дніпропетровська з вказаної суми виділено 133 млн. грн.
Й.ВІНСЬКИЙ підкреслив, що окружна дорога в Дніпропетровську буде першою з окружних доріг, що будуються в плані підготовки до Євро-2012. Будівництво окружної дороги в Дніпропетровську почнеться в травні поточного року.
«Я упевнений, що Дніпропетровськ прийматиме Євро-2012. Можете бути спокійні – до цього часу всі дороги в Дніпропетровську відповідатимуть вимогам УЄФА», – зазначив Й.ВІНСЬКИЙ.
Як повідомляв УНІАН, 25 березня ц.р. Кабінет Міністрів України затвердив перелік об`єктів будівництва і реконструкції об`їзних автомобільних доріг навколо міст, пов`язаних із підготовкою і проведенням в Україні фінальної частини чемпіонату Європи 2012 року з футболу, в 2009 році і обсяги їх фінансування.
Згідно з постановою КМУ, загальний рівень фінансування цих доріг у 2009 р. за рахунок коштів спеціального фонду Держбюджету становитиме 500 млн. грн.
Зокрема, 70,3 млн. грн. планується направити на реконструкцію автодороги Північно-Східний об`їзд Києва, 59,7 млн. грн. – Південно-Східний об`їзд Києва, 50 млн. грн. направлять на реконструкцію автодороги в обхід Одеси на ділянці км 7 + 956 - км 9 + 354. Крім того, в Донецькій області на реконструкцію різних ділянок доріг в обхід Донецька планується направити в цілому 186,2 млн. грн., у Дніпропетровській області – 133,8 млн. грн.
http://www.unian.net/ukr/news/news-311773.html

Government intends to finance ring roads of major cities for euro 2012. Dnipro ringroad construction to start in May this year. And various reconstructions of roads near Kyiv, Odessa and Donetsk.

VelesHomais

April 17th, 2009, 11:40 PM

Reconstruction of a new runway in Kharkiv airport to start in June, 2009

It will now be able to receive Airbus A-320 and Boeing C-737

Construction of the new terminal is in full swing
http://www.metallist.kharkov.ua/components/com_ponygallery/img_pictures/originals/20090413_1147788417.jpg

You can see the old and new terminals here
http://www.metallist.kharkov.ua/components/com_ponygallery/img_pictures/originals/20090413_1445352427.jpg

Old terminal was built in 1920's in Ukrainian-Barocco style
http://www.metallist.kharkov.ua/components/com_ponygallery/img_pictures/originals/20090413_1596427687.jpg

New terminal
http://i34.tinypic.com/fomb08.jpg

VelesHomais

April 17th, 2009, 11:46 PM

Some Lviv hotels

http://www.leopolishotel.com/typo3temp/pics/75017e5b56.jpg

http://cache.virtualtourist.com/2478630.jpg

http://www.premier-hotels.com.ua/images/roll/Dnister/lineika1/fasad.jpg

^^ to be reconstructed into this
http://www.tpk.ua/application/uploads/iik3aay54/2febaszyd_1_s.jpg

http://www.virtuallviv.com/images/george_hotel_w.jpg

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/51/hawk5555.5/0_10264_69ffeafd_XL

Austrian-Bunker style hotel
http://gazeta.lviv.ua/gfx/i/2009/01/15/05.jpg

http://www.d-earle.com/commercial-architecture/ukraine-castle/commercial-architecture-5.jpg

http://www.zik.com.ua/gallery/intxt/takt2.jpg

http://www.lviv.ua/news/1706/attachments/news/1706/1706.jpg

http://www.tpk.ua/application/uploads/zkik34th3/kd637b6tb_2_m.jpg

http://m.io.ua/img_aa/medium/0842/47/08424774.jpg

http://v.lviv.ua/wp-content/uploads/catalog/41pos.jpg

http://lvivtour.com.ua/hotels_images/4_foto1.jpg

http://lvivtour.com.ua/hotels_images/5_foto1.jpg

http://img.otpusk.com/hotelpics/9b/U/Uzlissja-14153.jpg

Hyatt and Hilton will open hotels in Lviv by 2012

VelesHomais

April 18th, 2009, 12:03 AM

Some Odessa hotels
http://g.io.ua/img_aa/large/0247/30/02473036.jpg

http://www.londred.com/images/hist/History_nowadays.jpg

http://www.london-hotel.com.ua/gallery/23.jpg

http://www.ukraine.ro/Images/getpoza.aspx?IDPoza=17517;0&Display=Original

http://www.ta-odessa.com/rest/hotels/odessa/delmar/ot_400.jpg

http://www.ta-odessa.com/rest/hotels/odessa/delmar/korp3_400.jpg

http://www.fotoalbom-odessa.com/gallery/fa_odessa/38.jpg

http://images.horse21.net/images/277/222/YX/17004/1.jpg

http://www.grand-pettine.com/gallery/150708_20521416.jpg

http://archproject.com.ua/images/phocagallery/Gostinicy/gostinica_Snezhnaia_koroleva_v_g_Odesse/02.jpg

http://www.arcadia-plaza.od.ua/siteimg/common/poolview.jpg

http://archproject.com.ua/images/phocagallery/Gostinicy/Gostinica_CHernoe_More_na_Karoline_Bugaze/03.jpg

http://archproject.com.ua/images/phocagallery/Gostinicy/Bolshaia_Moskovskaia/a1.jpg

http://archproject.com.ua/images/phocagallery/Gostinicy/Passazh/q1.jpg

http://archproject.com.ua/images/phocagallery/Gostinicy/Passazh/q2.jpg

http://archproject.com.ua/images/phocagallery/Gostinicy/Gostinica_Kontinental/03.jpg

http://archproject.com.ua/images/phocagallery/Gostinicy/Gostinica_Kontinental/q1.jpg

http://archproject.com.ua/images/phocagallery/Gostinicy/Gostinica_CHernoe_More_na_Rishelevskoj/03.jpg

http://archproject.com.ua/images/phocagallery/Gostinicy/Gurman/02.jpg

http://archproject.com.ua/images/phocagallery/Gostinicy/Gurman/q2.jpg

http://archproject.com.ua/images/phocagallery/Gostinicy/Gostinichnyj_kompleks_v_rajone_pliazha_Arkadiia/02.jpg

http://archproject.com.ua/images/phocagallery/Gostinicy/Gostinichnyj_kompleks_v_rajone_pliazha_Arkadiia/05.jpg

VelesHomais

April 18th, 2009, 12:08 AM

More from Odessa
http://archproject.com.ua/images/phocagallery/Gostinicy/Kinoteatr_Odessa/03.jpg

http://archproject.com.ua/images/phocagallery/Gostinicy/Gagarinskoe_plato/02.jpg

http://archproject.com.ua/images/phocagallery/Gostinicy/Gagarinskoe_plato/04.jpg

http://archproject.com.ua/images/phocagallery/Gostinicy/gostinica_Shodnica/q1.jpg

http://www.architektonix.com/images/architecture/DIPLOM-1.jpg

http://www.tpk.ua/application/uploads/ad8h8h547/5h37k6zde_1_m.jpg

Odessa's Dream tourist hotel complex by the beach
http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/akinita/ukrania14_large.jpg

http://www.michaniki.gr/sitenew/akinita/ukrania15_large.jpg

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/9137/31lk5.jpg

http://render.ru/tmp/gallery/1219931150833548_1.jpg

http://render.ru/tmp/gallery/1219931150833548_1.jpg

http://www.r-d.com.ua/projects/10.jpg

Chinetown Hotel
http://render.ru/tmp/gallery/113352695391733_3.jpg

Some small ones
http://archproject.com.ua/images/phocagallery/CHastnye_doma_i_villy/Gostinichno-razvlekatelnyj_kompleks_CHernoe_More-Karolina_Bugaz/02.jpg

http://archproject.com.ua/images/phocagallery/CHastnye_doma_i_villy/Gostinichno-razvlekatelnyj_kompleks_CHernoe_More-Karolina_Bugaz/04.jpg

This old building will be converted into a hotel of 4 stars
http://fortuna.ua/user.img/22/p2.jpg

http://fortuna.ua/user.img/23/p1.jpg

VelesHomais

April 18th, 2009, 12:11 AM

More Odessa hotel complexes to be built 2009-2011
http://www.polishuk.com.ua/images/vizo/vizo-40.jpg

http://www.polishuk.com.ua/images/vizo/vizo-36.jpg

One more existing one
http://i41.tinypic.com/33cxbtf.jpg

There are many more, but these are some to give you an idea. Odessa wants to position itself as a major tourist destination for summer vacations in Ukraine, for whole of Europe.

Big Cat

April 18th, 2009, 12:33 AM

VelesHomais, thanks for feeding us with updates from Ukraine. We were very hungry ;)

I hope Odessa will manage to get in Euro2012 - it is a city with such a big potential for tourism. It would be a big failure not to give a ticket to this city. What do you think, what are the chances for Odessa? I have a feeling that not so high :(

I would love to see Euro2012 in these Ukrainian cities:
- Kyiv
- Lviv
- Odessa
- Dnipro

VelesHomais

April 18th, 2009, 12:45 AM

It's a big mystery for now.

Kyiv - of course.

Donetsk - despite some criticism in terms of hotels, it has the best stadium for Euro 2012, I think it's 99% that it will be in.

Dnipro - they were the first to complete a stadium, which gives them sort of a bonus, but they're behind in terms of airport and hotels. The airport problem was dragging on for a year, now the president intervened and it's going to be privatized, but it's still not clear what's going on in this city. It also has very bad city roads, maybe the worst out of these cities.

Lviv - it was almost out of the race because of the stadium, but now the construction is very rapid and it will be completed in December 2009. It's a natural city for this championship because its touristy, has hotels, builds hotels, very close to EU tourists, even though it has the worst roads in Ukraine (not the city proper, but the region around Lviv). I would give this city 80% chance of being chosen.

Odessa - much like Lviv, it is a touristy, beautiful city, but it also has sea, beaches, it's warmer. For a long time it was considered not to be a player but now the construction of the stadium is going very rapid and they promise to complete this awesome airport before 2012:
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n22/wombato_2006/odesa_airport-02.jpg?t=1237602943

Stadium
http://www.chernomorets.odessa.ua/img/news/photos/2835_news_14.jpg?8

In terms of roads, Odessa wins because it already has an autobahn connected with Kyiv, which, of course, is most adapted to receiving dozens of thousands of tourists, because they're already coming there. Odessits think of themselves as a 2nd or even 1st city, they'll be very disappointed if they'll lose.

Kharkiv - it's doing good in terms of airport, the terminal is under construction (ahead of all others), the runway will be reconstructed, it's a big city with more tourist potential than Donetsk and Dnipro. But it has an athletic stadium - while all others, except Kyiv's, will be fully football specific. It's also the second largest city in Ukraine, which makes it an important player.