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VelesHomais
April 24th, 2007, 03:42 PM
Let's combine here everything from stadiums to infrastructure such as hotels, roads and other facilities that are planned, approved, under constructions or finished, for the European Football Championship of 2012 in Poland and Ukraine.


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I'll start with the coolest stadium :)
Donetsk "Shahtar" stadium, uefa approved 5 stars.
Official description:

The project to build the new Shakhtar Stadium is a key element of the Clubs strategy to be recognized as one of the leading clubs in European football. It is, therefore, progressing in line with the improved performance of the team in domestic and European competitions and the development of the Clubs Training Camp and Re-habilitation Centre.

The original concept was for a stadium with a capacity of 40,000 seats. That was revised, however, after consideration of a number of issues including UEFAs Guidelines on new stadia design and construction. The Clubs decision was that Shakhtar Stadium should be of iconic design (memorable and unique), that it should be sympathetic to its environment in Leninskiy Komsomol Park and that it should receive UEFA 5-star accreditation with seated accommodation for 50,000 spectators.

Following UEFAs advice, the Stadium has been designed for football with no athletics tracks, allowing the seating decks to be positioned close to the playing surface. This creates a more exciting environment as well as improving spectators viewing positions. The Stadium will have a natural playing surface although the Club has taken account of UEFAs support for artificial surfaces where these meet UEFAs technical standards. Indeed, UEFA has already given approval for Champions League and UEFA Cup ties to be played on approved artificial surfaces.

Twenty-two design proposals were received from a range of architects. From these, one submitted by ArupSport, part of the Ove Arup Group and one of the worlds leading companies in stadium design, was approved by the Clubs President and Supervisory Board. The principal iconic features are the sloping roof from north to south in line with the site, the glass façade providing views into and out of the stadium, and the clear external concourses with no obstructions for visitors on match-days and on non match-days. Internally, the stadium has a classical oval shape, regarded as the optimum for atmosphere and viewing comfort. The Club and its advisers have involved UEFA in the design process and this will continue with the appointment of the general contractor, ENKA Insaat ve Sanayi A.S. (ENKA).

Shakhtar Stadium will be the first stadium in Eastern Europe to be designed and newly constructed in compliance with UEFAs 5-star Guidelines. This, together with the size and complexity of the project gives it pioneer status. This has brought its own problems and the Club has sought to overcome these by calling upon Western advisers for limited periods to determine the key issues of design, cost, programme and general contractor selection.

After a competitive tendering process, the project is moving ahead with ENKA as general contractor. ENKA is the largest construction contractor operating in Russia with a reputation for successfully delivering major projects on time and within budget. It has also completed a number of smaller projects in Ukraine. Currently, it is mobilizing in Donetsk and working on technical matters with its local partner, PromStroiNiiProekt. ArupSport will continue as the Clubs adviser on architectural issues. The Club has appointed the local company Stadion Shakhter Limited as Project Manager, to manage the construction contract with the general contractor and to ensure the projects delivery on time and within budget. Austin Reilly continues as Consultant to the Club on all stadium matters based upon his experience of the design and operation of UEFA 5-star accredited stadia in UK and in Portugal. The Club is confident that this team will deliver the project.

The stadium is due for completion in May 2008. This gives the general contractor a build time of 24 months. This is a fast-track programme but ENKA has researched the issues and is confident it can be achieved. The construction programme shows that, this year, piling and foundation works will start on site in June and continue until the end of the year. Reinforced concrete superstructures and precast works will start in September 2006 and continue through the summer of 2007. Early next year, work will commence on the roof covering and the outer façade. The commissioning and handover is planned for December 2007 until May 2008.

It means that the stadium opening can be celebrated in summer 2008 prior to the start of the new domestic football season. It will allow the players and coaches time to become familiar with the playing surface and the facilities, and the stewards and security staff time to plan and understand the safety features. It will also allow Shakhtar Stadium to host games in the UEFA youth tournament being held in Donbass Region in 2009. Shortly after its opening, the Club will apply to UEFA for Shakhtar Stadium to host one of UEFAs future final ties in the Champions League or UEFA Cup.

The principal concern of those who manage and operate stadia, is the safety of all those in the building no matter their status or role. Shakhtar Stadium has been designed to meet the highest standards of safety complying with Ukrainian law and international best practice. Access routes and turnstile entry points allow the stadium to fill completely in one hour and to evacuate, in an emergency, in eight minutes. Special areas are identified as places of safety for disabled spectators and their companions. The stadium will be controlled on match-days from a Control Room on Level 5 and on non match-days from a Control Room in Basement Level 1. From there, all areas within the stadium and all concourses and external access routes will be visible with uninterrupted coverage on CCTV. The tapes will allow action to be taken by the Clubs stewards and police in the event of any disturbance or illegal activity.

In addition to providing a safe environment, Shakhtar Stadium will also offer guests and supporters, standards of hospitality and comfort consistent with a UEFA 5-star venue. The principal hospitality will be on Levels 4 and 5 with 15 private suites, a restaurant and 2 bar areas in the West Stand, and 3 restaurants and 2 bar areas in the East Stand. There is also the flexibility to convert the East Stand restaurants into lounges or private suites. The main spectator areas will be on Levels 3 and 6/7. Each level will have ample provision of bars, kiosks, washrooms (male, female and disabled) and first aid rooms. The Players Areas will be on Levels 1 and 2 which will also house the facilities for the press, media and photographers.

As with most modern venues, Shakhtar Stadium will have a range of commercial outlets within the building. These will be situated at its southern end along with the main stadium reception and the Clubs administrative offices. The commercial outlets will include a themed café, similar to Manchester Uniteds Red Devils Café. It will be open daily and will attract families visiting the park as well as FC Shakhtar supporters on match-days. A museum / visitor attraction will tell the story of FC Shakhtar, displaying the Clubs trophies and memorabilia as well as a range of sports related games and tests for younger visitors. The Club Shop will contain the usual range of sportswear and Club souvenirs and gifts. Finally, a health club facility is planned. Its role within the Club has yet to be determined.

On non match-days, the Stadium and its range of hospitality rooms will be available for corporate events (meetings, product launches, public announcements, seasonal parties and so on), social occasions (parties and weddings), and music concerts. It will be a modern venue and will seek to attract international conventions, as well as national and regional, events. The stadium will become one of Donetsks principal visitor attractions and income generators.

The project has gone through a difficult period while the international consultants addressed the issues of design, site investigation, planning consents, technical reviews, construction costs and building programme. Clearly, the difference between Western and East European practices and procedures has meant that progress was not as fast as was originally intended. However, a pioneering project will always be subject to such constraints. The Club is now satisfied, however, that the team is in place to move ahead and deliver Shakhtar Stadium, with full UEFA accreditation, in time for the start of the 2008 football season.

Statistics


# At the project peak over 1000 construction workers will be working on the new stadium.

# The total construction site (including mobilization areas) will be 254,907 m2

# The land (including pitch), where the Stadium will be located, is 46,780 m2

# The height of the new stadium will be 51m from pitch level to the top of the roof.

# There will be 227 Toilet rooms with 471 WC and 333 Wash Basins in the Stadium.

# Over 120.000 m3 of Concrete will be poured during Construction of the Stadium.

# Approximately 4300 tones of Steel will be used for Construction.

# Approximately 3800 tones of Steel will be used for Roof Steel structure

# Total glazing area is approximately 19.000 m2 in the Stadium.

# The total area of the tires will be approximately 30.000 m2.

# The dimensions of the football field will be 105 m x 68 m, and 7668 m2 natural turf will be used with 2201 m2 synthetic turf in Stadium

Video rendering
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Renderings
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/donetsk_shakhtar.gif

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/008.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/003.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/004.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/005.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/006.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/010.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/011.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/012.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/013.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/018.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/019.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/022.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/023.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/024.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/026.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/027.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/029.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/031.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/032.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/009.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/021.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/003.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/i/s_002.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/i/s_001.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/i/s_005.jpg

http://www.terrikon.dn.ua/today/images/new_shakhtyor/level3.jpg

http://www.terrikon.dn.ua/today/images/new_shakhtyor/level4.jpg

http://www.terrikon.dn.ua/today/images/new_shakhtyor/level5.jpg

http://www.terrikon.dn.ua/today/images/new_shakhtyor/level6.jpg

http://www.terrikon.dn.ua/today/images/new_shakhtyor/level7.jpg

Latest construction pics

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0307/12.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0307/15.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0307/19.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0307/21.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0307/23.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0307/7.jpg

VelesHomais
April 24th, 2007, 03:59 PM
Official Kyiv has announced plans to build 70 more hotels, in addition to existing 118. 26 of the hotels are in the planning or construction stage right now. The city plans to attract about 300 million dollars of investments into hotel construction sector within the next 3 years.
http://www.korrespondent.net/main/187577/

In Dnipropetrovsk, 5 hotels of 5 stars will be built, right now only one exists, the second 5 star hotel will begin construction in a matter of weeks or months. It will possibly remain as the largest 5 star hotel in Ukraine. The city will not have a problem with hotels, as it is in a middle of a hotel construction boom, with several hotels being opened this year alone. Subway line in Dnipropetrovsk will be extended.
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t125/sicc_2007/04.jpg

Donetsk authorities vow to have a fully operational subway system in the city by 2012, it might open as early as 2010. As a result, 3 of the 4 Ukrainian cities hosting the Championship will be equipped with underground subways.

Mekky II
April 24th, 2007, 06:17 PM
Preparations : waiting EU money.

Blank
April 24th, 2007, 09:29 PM
Preparations : waiting EU money.

Ukraine gets EU money for financing Euro 2012?

Sergei
April 24th, 2007, 10:35 PM
Preparations : waiting EU money.
WTF? :weird:

delfin_pl
April 24th, 2007, 10:55 PM
WTF? :weird:

I think he meant that Poland got 60 bln euros to spend till 2013 (40 bln for infrastructure) but he forgot that Ukraine must finance all itself.

MartinMyst
April 24th, 2007, 11:20 PM
Since when is Mekky a "he"? Did I miss something?:?

wholagun
April 24th, 2007, 11:48 PM
what are the odds of Poland adopting the Euro also in 2012?

DocentX
April 25th, 2007, 12:23 AM
Poznan

The project was redesigned

old project

http://images20.fotosik.pl/241/7bce501df55348f0.jpg

new one

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/0/4086/z4086090X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/9/4086/z4086089X.jpg

:banana:


Poznan stadium - this is how is looks now :

http://investpress.pl/inne/foty/18.04.07/DSC_0029-01.jpg

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/790/lechkoronapp011ux7.jpg

http://www.investpress.pl/inne/foty/Lech_Zaglebie/DSC_0011.JPG

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6050/ooo041wt0.jpg

http://images20.fotosik.pl/158/86a13cde45874064.jpg

Pavlo
April 25th, 2007, 12:34 AM
Preparations : waiting EU money.

That's the spirit!

Mekky II
April 25th, 2007, 01:18 AM
26 billions euros from European Union will be spend to organize the euro 2012 Poland/Ukraine. Ukraine will have a bit of it too (to built motorways needed between stadiums for example) through UEFA. If, inside an ukrainian stadium, you see UEFA money to built/renovate it, you possibly know where it is from now.

Poland/Ukraine is a political decision more that a logical one, with so much troubles in ukrainian politics, European Union through football wants to put its hand over Ukraine and put out Russia. It's quite simple :cheers:

Mekky II
April 25th, 2007, 01:20 AM
Since when is Mekky a "he"? Did I miss something?:?

I am both.

Don't be sad :lol:

VelesHomais
April 25th, 2007, 01:45 AM
26 billions euros from European Union will be spend to organize the euro 2012 Poland/Ukraine. Ukraine will have a bit of it too (to built motorways needed between stadiums for example) through UEFA. If, inside an ukrainian stadium, you see UEFA money to built/renovate it, you possibly know where it is from now.

Poland/Ukraine is a political decision more that a logical one, with so much troubles in ukrainian politics, European Union through football wants to put its hand over Ukraine and put out Russia. It's quite simple :cheers:

Looks like you're pulling information out of your ass. I've followed every single article on Euro 2012 in Ukraine, and nowhere did it mention any possibility of funding from EU.

Now leave this thread with your political bullcrap. :cheers:

Mekky II
April 25th, 2007, 01:58 AM
Looks like you're pulling information out of your ass. I've followed every single article on Euro 2012 in Ukraine, and nowhere did it mention any possibility of funding from EU.

Now leave this thread with your political bullcrap. :cheers:

And i can confirm what i say : It is completely illogical (and even more after what we saw with the world cup Japan/Korea) to see stadium that can be as far as about 3000 kilometers... Without a single good road or railway or airport. It's nice to cheat like during Eurovision to make eastern europeans happy, but Euro of football is watched by millions people accross the world, prepare to have another "wild dance" in Kiev... :lol:

Mekky II
April 25th, 2007, 02:03 AM
Looks like you're pulling information out of your ass. I've followed every single article on Euro 2012 in Ukraine, and nowhere did it mention any possibility of funding from EU.

Now leave this thread with your political bullcrap. :cheers:

http://www.eubusiness.com (http://www.eubusiness.com/)

It's somewhere in this website, a financial one, realist one, not utopist :lol:

Pavlo
April 25th, 2007, 02:04 AM
And i can confirm what i say : It is completely illogical (and even more after what we saw with the world cup Japan/Korea) to see stadium that can be as far as about 3000 kilometers... Without a single good road or railway or airport. It's nice to cheat like during Eurovision to make eastern europeans happy, but Euro of football is watched by millions people accross the world, prepare to have another "wild dance" in Kiev... :lol:

It's also nice to have Euro 2012 costs covered up to 90% by EU funds ;)

Mekky II
April 25th, 2007, 02:08 AM
http://www.batiactu.com/data/19042007/19042007-182331.html

Mekky II
April 25th, 2007, 02:11 AM
It's also nice to have Euro 2012 costs covered up to 90% by EU funds ;)

You surely don't count everything around. Like i said, no good roads, railways/ railway stations with maybe a possible wifi spot (a single would be enough LOL), airports, hotels ... hm Athens had 7 years to prepare olympics from nearly anything, you have 5 years ...

:lol: good luck :lol:

Pavlo
April 25th, 2007, 02:14 AM
You surely don't count everything around. Like i said, no good roads, railways/ railway stations with maybe a possible wifi spot (a single would be enough LOL), airports, hotels ... hm Athens had 7 years to prepare olympics from nearly anything, you have 5 years ...

:lol: good luck :lol:

I don't think you understood my point, obviously you're talking out of your ass.

It would help you to stop whining like a little bitch, and please, for everyone's sake, don't worry about Ukraine, it's not your country and it shouldn't be your problem :)

VelesHomais
April 25th, 2007, 02:17 AM
Can some mod delete posts by this monkey, or relocate them to some non-construction related thread about this topic? I don't find it to get ruined by some troll.

Mekky II
April 25th, 2007, 02:26 AM
European Union is my country and i can assure you that it's my problem. And it's not because you don't know what to answer that you need to cry after a mod ! Show me in details how will be financed stadiums (for example when you posting a beautiful stadium, you show us the price, but not where exactly come from the money) and after i will say okay you gave me proofs. But even with those proofs, Poland with so much problems has better to do those time than that in the next 5 years, Lodz cries after better infrastructures not financed because all the EU money goes to Warsaw, i found that not tolerable.

Pavlo
April 25th, 2007, 02:35 AM
1.) European Union is not a country

2.) I am not crying, I refered to you to stop whining.

3.) Dr. Mesofius is not a mod.

4.) Shakhtar Stadium is financed by Rinat Akhmetov: http://images.forbes.com/media/lists/10/2006/JIRK.jpg

5.) Dnipro Stadium is financed by Igor Kolomoyskiy: http://pix.lenta.ru/news/2006/11/27/suit/picture.jpg

6.)
Poland with so much problems has better to do those time than that in the next 5 years, Lodz cries after better infrastructures not financed because all the EU money goes to Warsaw, i found that not tolerable.


Rephrase your babble please.

VelesHomais
April 25th, 2007, 02:44 AM
Dnipropetrovsk stadium

his is one of the arenas for the Euro 2012 championship. 31,000 seats (some sources say 34,000) To be finished this year. It will, besides everything else, have two 60 square meters large TV screens on the sides, which are usually placed for only 50-60k stadiums.

Renders
http://news.img.com.ua/img/gallery/185/1e257d42a5edd59ab200f143c05fd5e4.jpg

http://gorod.dp.ua/pic/images/archi/pic/dnipro/02.jpg

http://gorod.dp.ua/pic/images/archi/pic/dnipro/03.jpg

Construction pics from this month
http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_6/IMG_5398.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_6/IMG_5420.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_6/IMG_5425.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_6/IMG_5391.jpg

View from a future VIP lounge
http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_6/IMG_5404.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_6/IMG_5402.jpg

Installation of ventilation will soon begin
http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_6/IMG_5406.jpg

:banana:

Sergei
April 25th, 2007, 04:20 AM
I've deleted all off-topic, disruptive posts. This thread is for serious discussions. Let's keep it that way!

DocentX
April 26th, 2007, 12:48 AM
Krakow

project

http://img.naszemiasto.pl/grafika2/nowy/7a/40_723745_1_d_3464.jpg

stadium - under const

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/8/4071/z4071528X.jpg

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/4346/p1070011lg7.jpg

VelesHomais
April 26th, 2007, 03:11 PM
It was announced today that Kyiv will use two stadiums for Euro-2012, one will be the reconstructed Olympic stadium (cost of reconstruction is about 100 mln euros), final capacity 77.000. Second stadium will be a new one, built from scratch, cost of 200 mln euros, and with capacity of 60.000.

Kuvvaci
April 26th, 2007, 03:26 PM
I am impressed. Projects look much better than I expected. Also Polish stadiums will have organic designs...

wholagun
April 26th, 2007, 04:12 PM
I am impressed. Projects look much better than I expected. Also Polish stadiums will have organic designs...

i prefer the Ukrainian stadiums. The Polish stadiums are simplistic, save for Baltic area

Kiryl
April 26th, 2007, 07:07 PM
It was announced today that Kyiv will use two stadiums for Euro-2012, one will be the reconstructed Olympic stadium (cost of reconstruction is about 100 mln euros), final capacity 77.000. Second stadium will be a new one, built from scratch, cost of 200 mln euros, and with capacity of 60.000.
Sorry, but in my opinion it's not necessary.As for my one 60.000 stadium should totally satisfied your needs.Better invest that money in road infrastructure or renovation beautiful Lviv's tenement houses and streets.

Pavlo
April 26th, 2007, 09:01 PM
Sorry, but in my opinion it's not necessary.As for my one 60.000 stadium should satisfied your needs.Better invest that money in road infrastructure or renovation beautiful Lviv's tenement houses and street.

I agree, it's stupid to build another stadium, it's better to just renovate the old one.

Tomesh
April 26th, 2007, 10:26 PM
i prefer the Ukrainian stadiums. The Polish stadiums are simplistic, save for Baltic area

hehe maybe a bit but not really actually... its already going to be a huge difference if you compare with Austria and Switzerlands stadiums which are very simplistic

DocentX
April 26th, 2007, 10:55 PM
Gdansk - Baltic Arena

so far my favorite designe for Euro 2012:cheers:

http://images4.fotosik.pl/174/8577ab3ccdbb54b7.jpg

http://img.naszemiasto.pl/grafika2/nowy/8c/40_722768_2_d_8896.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/6/4038/z4038096X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/5/4038/z4038095X.jpg

http://images21.fotosik.pl/186/04b3834d560074c3.jpg

http://images21.fotosik.pl/186/f51935aa9815c0ec.jpg

now:

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/8/4067/z4067398X.jpg

Sergei
April 27th, 2007, 12:18 AM
i prefer the Ukrainian stadiums. The Polish stadiums are simplistic, save for Baltic area
I have to agree. I do love the Baltic Arena though. The worst is probably Poznan, it's so average!

VelesHomais
April 27th, 2007, 12:29 AM
Sorry, but in my opinion it's not necessary.As for my one 60.000 stadium should totally satisfied your needs.Better invest that money in road infrastructure or renovation beautiful Lviv's tenement houses and streets.

That's my opinion as well, but this is what has been reported so far. Kyiv will be an unusual city in this respect, with two enormous 80.000 and 70.000 stadiums! :nuts:

Sergei
April 27th, 2007, 12:34 AM
That's my opinion as well, but this is what has been reported so far. Kyiv will be an unusual city in this respect, with two enormous 80.000 and 70.000 stadiums! :nuts:
Agreed. There are far better ways to spend that money. I think the EURO 2012 victory went to some people's heads!

VelesHomais
April 27th, 2007, 01:16 AM
By the way, Kharkiv's stadium is now undergoing massive reconstruction, I don't know if this means that it will also host some of the matches.

UKR87
April 27th, 2007, 03:17 AM
^^ Wait i heard that they are planing to build a new stadium in Kharkiv for 40,000 people is it true?

Petr
April 27th, 2007, 09:50 AM
Agreed. There are far better ways to spend that money. I think the EURO 2012 victory went to some people's heads!
I think so either. On the polish forum people are started to speculate how to redesign existing projects to make it more futuristic and to increase their capacities, instead of thinking how to make stadiums profitable after euro. :bash: Good example is Gdansk which has very expensive project for 40 k stadium, while its club Lechia Gdansk is now in the second polish league. And now they want this stadium to be financed from the central budget. :bash: On the other hand people criticize realistic projects in Poznan and Krakow, which are already partly built, and which will be appropriately used after euro by Lech Poznan and Wisla Krakow who have rich sponsors, are in the first league and have chance for European cups in the near future.

Kuvvaci
April 27th, 2007, 10:50 AM
Gdansk - Baltic Arena

so far my favorite designe for Euro 2012:cheers:

Amazing... i am very impressed.

damti
April 27th, 2007, 04:17 PM
That's my opinion as well, but this is what has been reported so far. Kyiv will be an unusual city in this respect, with two enormous 80.000 and 70.000 stadiums! :nuts:



In my opinion it s because dynamo kyev want like shahtar a new modern FOOTBALL(without athletic ) stadium...I presume that this new stadium of Dynamo Kiev for 60 thousands people will host final match...The olimpic stadium is too old to be renovated and has atletics which don t like if we are talking about FOOTBALL stadiums....
Btw. congratulations for EURO 2012 from Croatia....:)

VelesHomais
April 27th, 2007, 05:34 PM
Yes, you are absolutely right, I didn't think of that from the start, because Dynamo Kyiv already has a stadium, but it's not very impressive
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/6/67/Sta2.jpg

And thanks, hope that next time it will be Croatia :okay:

wholagun
April 27th, 2007, 07:23 PM
ok, so the Gdansk soccer team isn't good and maybe doesn't deserve that impressive of a stadium, but the design is really creative and its true to the city with the impressive amber like design.

I think the stadiums should be made to look more modern and expanded b/c we are showcasing our country to the world, and its precisely events such as these that change peoples opinions about Poland. Living in Canada I know what ppl think of Eastern Europe and how they view life filled with smoke stacks and gray commie blocks on the horizon. Just a few days ago when I showed some ppl the designs of the stadiums and the commercial about the Baltic Arena they were suprized how modern everything was. We need to go out of our way to better market our country and change the image ppl have of Poland. :cheers:

Pavlo
April 27th, 2007, 09:31 PM
Living in Canada I know what ppl think of Eastern Europe and how they view life filled with smoke stacks and gray commie blocks on the horizon.

Welcome to Donetsk my friend! :laugh:

http://www.pece.co.uk/en/projects/images/donetsk-vista.jpg

Well, the new stadium will really stand out, hopefully new projects in Donetsk will transform its image, but it is heavy industry that drives this region's economic development and I don't suppose that much will be done to reduce this trend. Maybe for Euro 2012, some industries will receive a makeover, so we'll just have to wait and see.

delfin_pl
April 28th, 2007, 03:44 AM
My fav, Baltic Arena

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http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4033/baobentopox9.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7749/baelewacja1se5.jpg
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/8620/baelewacjanz5.jpg
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/3303/baaxondetalev0.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7288/babowlpo8.jpg

wholagun
April 28th, 2007, 05:28 AM
^^^ they really should better utilize the space under the stands, as it stands its very privative and bare

DocentX
April 28th, 2007, 08:30 AM
Warsaw - National Sports Center

The whole project will consist not only of 70.000 people national stadium, but also of olympic size swimming pool, sports arena, congres center, hotel, aquapark etc.

some visualizations :

http://www.rzeczpospolita.pl/teksty/warszawa_070427/warszawa_a_8-1.F.jpg

http://www.rzeczpospolita.pl/teksty/warszawa_060210/warszawa_a_7-1.F.jpg

a few visualizations of Warsaw National stadium - please remember that these are not the final projects:

http://images20.fotosik.pl/241/5d2d667637f211d1.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/5/4069/z4069435X.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/7/4069/z4069437X.jpg

VelesHomais
April 28th, 2007, 07:42 PM
Shahtar stadium: news
Interview

http://shakhtar.com/icons/shakhtar/foto/news/8940_27-04-07_n_max.jpg

When a group of journalist from almost all regions of Ukraine came to Donetsk, they were taken to the building site of the new Shakhtar stadium where they were met by the Stadium Shakhtyor Ltd general Director Volodymyr Kovalevskyy who answered their questions concerning the new arena.

- When the stadium is due to be ready and what the arena will look like?

- We started to build it in June 2006. The Turkish company ENKA is the general contractor. The arena is due to be ready by May 2008. The stadium's seating capacity will be 50000 and it will be a UEFA five-star stadium. As you know, Poland and Ukraine will host EURO 2012 and semi-finals will be played here, at this arena. This is gonna be a purely football arena. But at the same time, it's design allows to convert it into a concert hall to hold rock performances as well as opera, different athletic competitions can be held also. In that case the pitch will be transformed.

- Does it mean there will be a racetrack?

- No, there. I repeat once again that it will be a football arena. Distance to the pitch on the East and West will be 6 meters, on the North and South - 9.
All stands will be protected by the roof; the pitch won't, because we want to create better conditions for the grass. We shall have a natural grass pitch.

- Could you name the investor, and how much does the whole project costs?

- They are System Capital Management. The project is worth $250mln.

- Who's the landowner?

- We have rented about 20 hectares of land for 49 years.

- Who has designed the arena?

- A British company Arup-Sport. They are widely known for their project in Peking - a stadium with seating capacity of 100000. The stadium will be the main arena hosting Olympic Games 2008. All in all they have designed more then 30 top-class stadiums around the globe.

- How many people are working on the building site?

- Today, there are 927 workers. In june, when the building process will be in full swing, there will be 1400.

- Are they all Turkish workers?

- Perhaps two thirds of them are Turkish, the rest are Ukrainians.

- What will be the name of the stadium?

- No, not yet. We are considering two variants, but i can't tell you them because we don't want to have difficulties with the patent agency.

- Do you often discuss business matters with Rinat Akhmetov?

- I do not report directly to him. At the end of every week I pass the report to the FC Shakhtar CEO, Sergiy Palkin, who in his turn inform the President.

- When you were still designing the project were you keeping in mind it would host EURO-2012?

- EURO 2012 is a good news, but we are building this stadium for Shakhtar football club, and its fans. So that the team could play and the fans support them at a comfortable stadium. We want to create a special atmosphere - when you are watching a game and you feel a shiver. It's such a great experience and it is quite different from the one that you get lying on a couch with a beer can in your hand at home, in front of a TV-set.

- Aren't you afraid that you would have to reconstruct the stadium before the EURO 2012 competitions?

- What are you talkin' about! Perhaps we shall have to install a new pitch - in case it will be in bad state in five years.

- Have UEFA experts already visited the stadium?

- No. There is still nothing we could show them. They will certainly come when the concrete walls are ready and we'll need some advices concerning the interior of the stadium - where the dressing rooms will be, room for medics, etc. But we have already met UEFA representatives, we showed them the project and they said it was okay.

- Do you think 50000 seats will be enough for a city like Donetsk?

- As for today - it is more than enough. Well, sure, it may seem it is not enough for the Champions League final. Or, say, matches against Dynamo are always sold out and there is never enough seats. But there are another Championship matches - against Vorskla, or Stal, when average attendance is 15- 25 thousand. Empty stadiums look ugly, if you want example - go to Kyiv and have a look. But I do believe that there are many true fans in Donetsk and the attendance will increase. People will find it delightful to come to such stadium like ours. And it will always be full.

- Will Olympiyskiy still be operating?

- Yes, i think so. Football in Donetsk is becoming more and more popular with every day. Why loosing a good stadium?
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/cgi-bin/allnews.pl?id=4397

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/16_04_07_1/9.jpg

DocentX
April 29th, 2007, 11:42 AM
Roads:

Motorways (blue) and Highways (green and red) in Poland in 2012 :

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/9/4074/m4074989.jpg

DocentX
April 29th, 2007, 12:06 PM
Chorzow

"Slaski" stadium now:

http://images21.fotosik.pl/208/742bbe698d3f4dda.jpg

http://www.dab.katowice.pl/wiadomosci/zdjecia_dab/2004-05/P0015410.jpg

after redevelopment :

http://www.silesia-region.pl/doc/2007/01/10/duze/1168431364.jpg

http://www.fatamorgana.com.pl/galeria/2005/stadion/main/2main.jpg

sampras
April 29th, 2007, 03:57 PM
I have to agree. I do love the Baltic Arena though. The worst is probably Poznan, it's so average!


Indeed it is not a show-off stadium, it was to be build as a City Stadium not EURO 2012 ARENA though.
It is also the only Polish stadium which was to be finished 'with or without' EURO bid win.

DocentX
April 29th, 2007, 05:20 PM
Indeed it is not a show-off stadium, it was to be build as a City Stadium not EURO 2012 ARENA though.
It is also the only Polish stadium which was to be finished 'with or without' EURO bid win.

I really like the Poznan project - it's not as great as Donieck or Gdansk, but come on - not every stadium has to be as You said "show-off stadium".

The project was changed a bit - it will have a roof and I think it looks really good.

Here's a video :

http://wiadomosci.epoznan.pl/index.php?section=sport&subsection=news&id=5825

Mati-PL
May 1st, 2007, 12:37 AM
few more visualization of stadium in Poznań:

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1363/lech1sk2.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6959/lech2tx2.jpg

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2382/lech3hp4.jpg

Mati-PL
May 4th, 2007, 01:36 PM
article in polish but in shortcut:
PKP Intercity (PKP - Polish State Railways) want to transport fans on Euro 2012 in very fast trains. They plan to buy 20 TGV trains. They dreamed about this investment from a long time, but there wasn't any money for this and railway tracks wasn't adapted for large speeds. They change this after decision about Euro 2012. Trains will cost around 380 milions euro. President of PKP Intercity said today in TVN24, that railway tracks will be modernized and trains could speed then with 250 km/h (now trains on polish railway tracks could speed with max. 160 km/h).

PKP Intercity wyda 1,5 mld na TGV
(Puls Biznesu/04.05.2007, godz. 06:29)

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9126/taboric051wz3.jpg

PKP Intercity nabierają prędkości przed EURO 2012. Chcą wozić kibiców w superszybkich pociągach. Planuje zakup 20 zestawów.

PKP Intercity od dawna marzą się szybkie pociągi klasy TGV, ale odkładały zakupy na później. Nie było pieniędzy na takie inwestycje, a poza tym nie bardzo byłoby po czym jeździć, ponieważ infrastruktura kolejowa nie jest przystosowana do dużych prędkości. Po przyznaniu Polsce praw do organizacji piłkarskich mistrzostw Europy przewoźnik uznał jednak, że nie ma co czekać.

— Podjęliśmy decyzję o kupnie 20 składów w ciągu najbliższych dwóch-trzech lat — mówi Czesław Warsewicz, prezes PKP IC.

Ruszyły już prace nad studium wykonalności projektu. Według wstępnych szacunków, na kupno 20 pociągów potrzeba około 380 mln EUR (blisko 1,5 mld zł). Plan zakłada sfinansowanie inwestycji z dwóch źródeł: ze środków własnych i funduszy unijnych. Pół na pół.

Z własnej kieszeni

PKP IC zamierzają dobrać się do Sektorowego Programu Operacyjnego - Transport na lata 2007-2013. Z pozostałą częścią pieniędzy nie powinno być problemów. PKP IC mają trochę własnych pieniędzy. W 2006 r. zysk wyniósł 32 mln zł. Plan na ten rok jest nie mniej ambitny, a wyniki pierwszego kwartału dają nadzieję, że uda się go zrealizować. Po raz pierwszy w historii przewoźnik odnotował bowiem zysk — skromny, bo 1,5 mln zł, jednak w tym samym czasie w 2006 r. spółka była na minusie, a strata wyniosła ponad 7 mln zł. Do tej pory pierwsze miesiące roku to był czas dla przewoźnika stracony. Martwy sezon, kiedy przejadało się pieniądze zarobione w czasie wakacyjnego szczytu. W tym roku trend się zmienia, i to coraz wyraźniej. Dane za kwiecień pokazują, że podróżni znowu polubili jazdę pociągiem. Wyniki za dwie dekady są lepsze niż w najbardziej gorącym dla kolei miesiącu wakacyjnym 2006 r.

Spółka ma trochę własnych pieniędzy, ale liczy przede wszystkim na zewnętrzne źródła finansowania. Prezes tłumaczy, że PKP IC nie mają żadnych problemów z zaciągnięciem kredytu.

— Niemal od ręki możemy dostać już dzisiaj 200 mln zł — zapewnia Czesław Warsewicz.

Stosunek zadłużenia do kapitałów własnych pozostawia jeszcze ogromny margines bezpieczeństwa dla planów kredytowych spółki.

W rękach PKP PLK

Kiedy superszybkie pociągi pojawią się na torach? Nieprędko. Według wstępnego harmonogramu, PKP IC zamierzają złożyć w Brukseli potrzebne dokumenty jeszcze przed końcem wakacji. Jeśli wszystko pójdzie po myśli zarządu, to przetarg na zestawy zespolone zostanie rozpisany na przełomie tego i przyszłego roku. Pierwsze szybkie pociągi pojawiłyby się na torach być może już w roku debiutu spółki na giełdzie, który planowany jest w 2010 r. Być może rok później. W każdym razie prezes PKP IC jest pewien, że kibice będą jeździć na mecze EURO 2012 z prędkością powyżej 200 km/h.

Pytanie tylko, czy superszybkie pociągi będą miały po czym jeździć. Obecny stan torów nie pozwala rozwijać szybkości większej niż 160 km/h. Na niektórych odcinkach muszą zwalniać do kilkudziesięciu kilometrów na godzinę.

Piłka jest teraz po stronie PKP Polskie Linie Kolejowe, które odpowiadają za stan kolejowej infrastruktury.

Macius
May 4th, 2007, 02:13 PM
^^ no proszę TGV w Polsce, w życiu bym się nie spodziewał :cheers:

wholagun
May 4th, 2007, 02:45 PM
i found an article in english

PKP Intercity railways to spend PLN 1.5 billion to buy TGV
11:04, 04-05-2007
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PKP Intercity wants to transport its passengers with TGV trains running over 200km/h. The railway company wants to buy 20 trains.
Reklama

After Poland was granted the rights to organize European football championships, PKP Intercity decided to buy TGV trains faster than planned before. “We have decided to buy 20 trains within 2-3 years”, Czeslaw Warsewicz, PKP IC CEO.

The feasibility study of the project is being conducted already. According to initial estimates, 20 trains will cost EUR 380m, or PLN 1.5 billion. The project will be financed fifty-fifty from the company’s own funds and EU funds.

PKP IC wants to get funds from EU transport program for the years 2007-2013. The company has its own fund. Last year, it had PLN 32m of net income. This year should be similar with record first quarter results - for the first time in history, the company had net income in the first quarter which is traditionally very difficult for railways. Besides, the company can borrow money.

“We can get PLN 200m even today”, Czeslaw Warsewicz assured.

According to initial itinerary, first TGV trains would start operations in Poland in 2010-2011. The problem is that the railway infrastructure is too old in some parts to go faster then 160km/h, and there are sections where trains have to slow down to several dozens km/h. It is up to PKP Polskie Koleje Liniowe, the company responsible for the railway infrastructure, whether TGV trains will be able to go fast in Poland.

http://www.pulsbiznesu.pl/News.aspx?id=862cd0a2-422f-4292-bc9e-236cbace5274

:cheers:
So will all the Polish cities hosting the EURO have TGV connections?

sampras
May 5th, 2007, 09:55 AM
Poznan is planning to rebuild Main Train Station and combine it with Bus Station.
There is a plan to create separate platform for TGV, though I do not believe that it could run @200kph. there is only one route where 200kph is a design speed. The rest of tracks has top speed of max 160kph, and redesigning it into faster is very unlikely :(

VelesHomais
May 9th, 2007, 02:38 AM
Donetsk 5 star stadium update for April

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0407/3.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0407/6.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0407/24.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0407/25.jpg

Construction is ahead of schedule :banana:

VelesHomais
May 10th, 2007, 04:21 PM
Dnipro stadium update from may 8th, 2007 :banana:

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_7/IMG_8735.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_7/IMG_8737.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_7/IMG_8717.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_7/IMG_8711.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_7/IMG_8710.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_7/IMG_8701.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_7/IMG_8697.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_7/IMG_8693.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_7/IMG_8692.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_7/IMG_8682.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_7/IMG_8680.jpg

VelesHomais
May 10th, 2007, 04:32 PM
Kharkiv, which is a Ukrainian reserve city, has presented its plans on modernization of the existing stadium, which they will implement regardless of having the privilege to host some of the Euro 2012 matches or not.

It's already in process of implementation, I'll provide pictures when they are available.

It will have a capacity of 40,000
http://www.light-miner.com/images/mm_oforml/16/Metalist_W_03.jpg

http://www.light-miner.com/images/mm_oforml/16/Metalist_W_02.jpg

http://www.light-miner.com/images/mm_oforml/16/Metalist_W_05.jpg

The athletic tracks will be the only reminder that this is an old stadium
http://www.light-miner.com/images/mm_oforml/16/Metalist_W_04.jpg

http://www.light-miner.com/images/mm_oforml/16/Metalist_W_09.jpg

This is where the ticket will be sold :nuts:
http://www.light-miner.com/images/mm_oforml/16/Metalist_W_07.jpg

Notice the proximity to the subway station
http://www.light-miner.com/images/mm_oforml/16/Metalist_W_08.jpg

And the video clip

[IMG]http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/th_Metallist_dvx.jpg (http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/?action=view&current=Metallist_dvx.flv)

VelesHomais
May 10th, 2007, 09:08 PM
^^ Found two pics. Apparently the reconstruction is going faster than I thought.

http://www.softina.com/projects/hsu127/images/gallery/old4big.png

http://www.metallist.kharkov.ua/img/stadion/stadion.jpg

The capacity, to be precise, will be 41,111.

P.S. looks like Ukraine will be ready for Euro-2012 in terms of stadiums in 2 years :D

sampras
May 10th, 2007, 09:51 PM
^^^ they really should better utilize the space under the stands, as it stands its very privative and bare

Remember that it is not a design even !
who knows how it will look
it is a scratch visualization as far I know


Anyway Poznan is trying to rise numbers :D
up by 10k to achieve >50000 capacity to be able to held UEFA CUP FINAL
(5 star stadium ranting required) before EURO 2012

DzD1358
May 12th, 2007, 01:55 PM
Remember that it is not a design even !
who knows how it will look
it is a scratch visualization as far I know


Anyway Poznan is trying to rise numbers :D
up by 10k to achieve >50000 capacity to be ale to held UEFA CUP FINAL
(5 star stadium ranting required) before EURO 2012


Really, how do you know that?

sampras
May 12th, 2007, 07:56 PM
^^

here you go:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=13063665&postcount=1693

in Polish only though

sampras
May 16th, 2007, 03:28 PM
article in polish but in shortcut:
PKP Intercity (PKP - Polish State Railways) want to transport fans on Euro 2012 in very fast trains. They plan to buy 20 TGV trains. They dreamed about this investment from a long time, but there wasn't any money for this and railway tracks wasn't adapted for large speeds. They change this after decision about Euro 2012. Trains will cost around 380 milions euro. President of PKP Intercity said today in TVN24, that railway tracks will be modernized and trains could speed then with 250 km/h (now trains on polish railway tracks could speed with max. 160 km/h).
(...).

I don't think so :(

planned design speeds on rail network in Poland
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/9614/mapa2005f250kmh4ld.gif

paku
May 16th, 2007, 03:46 PM
^^ Considering that article below is from today, your map is already outdated.
Poland: 220 km/h from Krakow?
PKP said that in three years from now the trip from Krakow to Katowice will be shorter than 30 minutes, to Warsaw - 2 hours and Gdansk - 4.
Today the so called express trains need 90 minutes to cover the 80 km distance from Krakow to Katowice. It takes them 2h 45 minutes to travel to Warsaw (300km) and 7h to get to Gdansk (600km).

Now PKP decided to seep up the creation of rapid rail connections linking the major cities for Euro 2012.

PKP seek ways of getting TGV or Pendolino class trains, which could go as fast as 220 km/h. It would be needed to build a completely new network to enable the trains to reach 300 km.

(Source: wyborcza.pl, 15 May 2007)
http://www.railway-market.pl/?p=wiecej&id=1876

sampras
May 17th, 2007, 10:14 AM
^^ I don't think so, as CM (yellow one) has design speed of 200kph.
I still don't belive that PKP will buy TGV (it runs 300-400kph).
Another thing is that TGV would be good only if connected to western countries IMHO.
Pendolino is more realistic though.

Mati-PL
May 18th, 2007, 09:21 PM
Did someone could translate this into English? Or found this in English on internet? It's interesting article, I think.

Z Warszawy do Katowic koleją 300 km/h
(PAP, tm/18.05.2007, godz. 17:23)

Przed piłkarskimi Mistrzostwami Europy w 2012 r. nie powstaną w Polsce linie kolejowe wysokich prędkości - rzędu 300-350 kilometrów na godzinę. Zamiast tego zmodernizowanych zostanie ponad tysiąc kilometrów istniejących już linii - tak by pociągi mogły po nich jeździć z prędkością 200-220 kilometrów na godzinę.

O planowanym w najbliższych latach kierunku modernizacji sieci kolejowej w Polsce mówili podczas piątkowej konferencji prasowej w Katowicach minister transportu Jerzy Polaczek oraz dyrektor Polskich Kolei Państwowych SA, Andrzej Wach.

Wybór ministra transportu i rządu był taki, że albo Polska zaangażuje się w budowę i w sfinansowanie w całości ze środków przewidzianych na infrastrukturę kolejową jednego projektu - połączenia szybką koleją Warszawy z Wrocławiem i Poznaniem, albo te środki zostaną przeznaczone na modernizację istniejących i ważnych z punktu widzenia Polski i Europy korytarzy kolejowych E-20 i E-30 - powiedział Polaczek.

Wskazał, że zamiast rozważanej w ostatnim czasie budowy od podstaw tzw. linii "Y" - przeznaczonej dla pociągów wysokiej prędkości, które miałyby kursować z Warszawy przez Łódź i Kalisz do Wrocławia i Poznania, wybrano koncepcję zmodernizowania ponad tysiąca kilometrów istniejących już linii kolejowych w Polsce.

Ten jeden projekt pochłonąłby 100 proc. środków na najbliższe siedem lat. Inwestycja budowy szybkiej kolei jest rozważana, ale np. w formie partnerstwa publiczno-prywatnego. Skala środków własnych grupy PKP czy budżetu państwa nie jest nieograniczona - podkreślił minister transportu.

Planowane modernizacje linii do prędkości ponad dwustu kilometrów na godzinę obejmą przede wszystkim dwie główne linie biegnące z zachodu na wschód Polski: E-20 z Kunowic przez Poznań i Warszawę do Terespola i E-30 ze Zgorzelca przez Wrocław, Katowice i Kraków do Medyki.

Minister Polaczek wskazał, że wybór modernizacji istniejących linii pozwoli również na zakup ze środków unijnych nowoczesnego taboru za co najmniej 400 mln euro. "Do tego trzeba doliczyć własne inwestycje kredytowe spółki PKP Intercity, które już dziś wynoszą ponad 1 mld zł, a także inwestycje Przewozów Regionalnych, które modernizują zespoły trakcyjne i będą dokonywały zakupów nowych składów" - zaznaczył minister transportu.

Prezes PKP powiedział, że zgodnie z rządowymi planami do 2013 r. ma powstać dokumentacja projektu budowy szybkiej kolei, w kolejnym okresie unijnego planowania - po 2013 r. - mogłaby natomiast nastąpić realizacja pierwszych etapów tej inwestycji, Ocenił też, że budowa takiej linii przed 2012 r. jest nierealna z powodu czasochłonności przedsięwzięcia.

Rok 2012 nie jest realny nie ze względu na brak umiejętności czy środków. Przygotowanie podobnych projektów w Europie Zachodniej trwa kilkanaście lat. Natomiast podwyższenie prędkości do 200-220 kilometrów na godzinę na istniejących liniach - w tym m.in. z Warszawy do Katowic - jest realne - podkreślił Wach.

Według informacji resortu transportu, w ciągu najbliższych 6 lat budżet państwa, Grupa PKP i Unia Europejska tylko na Śląsku zainwestują w infrastrukturę kolejową ok. 2 mld euro. Największa część tej sumy przypadnie na modernizację linii kolejowych z Katowic do Zwardonia, Cieszyna i Opola, a także przebudowę dworca kolejowego w Katowicach.

Prócz tego, spółka Polskie Linie Kolejowe - niezależnie od projektu linii "Y" - chce przystosować linię z Katowic do Warszawy dla prędkości 300 kilometrów na godzinę. Aby było to możliwe, konieczne będzie zmodernizowanie i przedłużenie istniejącej Centralnej Magistrali Kolejowej. Projektanci planują takie poprowadzenie nowego odcinka trasy, by połączyć ją z lotniskiem w Pyrzowicach.

boogo
May 19th, 2007, 09:04 AM
Welcome to Donetsk my friend! :laugh:

http://www.pece.co.uk/en/projects/images/donetsk-vista.jpg

Well, the new stadium will really stand out, hopefully new projects in Donetsk will transform its image, but it is heavy industry that drives this region's economic development and I don't suppose that much will be done to reduce this trend. Maybe for Euro 2012, some industries will receive a makeover, so we'll just have to wait and see.

But don't forget Donetsk produces a lot of cash too:)

VelesHomais
May 21st, 2007, 09:11 PM
German company Hochtieff construction has presented a concept of Lvivian stadium which will be constructed by 2010. It's the same company that designed the Dnipropetrovsk stadium. I went to their site, but they don't have any renders yet. Though I'm sure they'll be updated soon.

http://www.hochtief-construction.de/construction/3566.jhtml

The stadium will cost over 70 million euro's.

VelesHomais
May 22nd, 2007, 12:48 AM
Dnipropetrovs'k stadium construction update

http://gorod.dp.ua/photo/2007/s/sitak/04/dnepr04.jpg

http://gorod.dp.ua/photo/2007/s/sitak/04/dnepr03.jpg

http://gorod.dp.ua/photo/2007/s/sitak/04/dnepr02.jpg

http://gorod.dp.ua/photo/2007/s/sitak/04/dnepr01.jpg

:banana: :cheers:

VelesHomais
June 7th, 2007, 09:46 PM
^^
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u136/madvad_dp/0NEw_stadium.jpg

VelesHomais
June 8th, 2007, 02:38 AM
The star of 2012 is rising: DONETSK SHAHTAR 5 STARer

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0507/5.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0507/7.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0507/6.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0507/8.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0507/13.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0507/12.jpg

Gummo
June 8th, 2007, 04:25 PM
and poland? any newness

VelesHomais
June 8th, 2007, 08:15 PM
The mayor of Lviv announced an international competition for a best design and project for the reconstruction of the International Lviv airport, as part of the Euro 2012 preparations. He also noted that there will be 30 new hotels built, a reconstruction of all key roads in the area and a recreational concert complex next to the stadium for fans to spend their time in.

:banana:

VelesHomais
June 8th, 2007, 08:57 PM
The renders from the video of the Kharkivian stadium
http://i14.tinypic.com/54ccrde.jpg

Webcam shot
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/2-2.jpg

Adiks
June 8th, 2007, 09:31 PM
and poland? any newness

Poland has already fallen behind :bash:

sampras
June 8th, 2007, 11:37 PM
quite likely, I must admit ;)

Gummo
June 8th, 2007, 11:46 PM
Poland has already fallen behind :bash:

maybe because ukraine is richer than poland

Stan
June 9th, 2007, 07:32 AM
Your avatar freaks me out :ohno: :ohno:

Adiks
June 9th, 2007, 03:15 PM
maybe because ukraine is richer than poland

Well, Ukraine has some rich guys who are interested in puting some money into this kind of sport business. I have heard that one of the stadium is being build by one of em. Dunno if there is more like this one. And this is the way it should go. Unfortunatelly, Polish futboll itsnt good enough to abstract much of the private money, so it is what it is, means nothing ....

VelesHomais
June 9th, 2007, 06:38 PM
Actually two stadiums are built exclusively with the money of their respective FC owners. It's also a chance for clubs to show off that they're better than others.

Sergei
June 9th, 2007, 07:46 PM
The mayor of Lviv announced an international competition for a best design and project for the reconstruction of the International Lviv airport, as part of the Euro 2012 preparations. He also noted that there will be 30 new hotels built, a reconstruction of all key roads in the area and a recreational concert complex next to the stadium for fans to spend their time in.

:banana:
:applause:

VelesHomais
June 10th, 2007, 03:43 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/EUFA_Euro_2012_pluken.png

Nice map, but its language content makes absolutely no sense. Either make it all in English or all in Ukrainian or all in Polish. This one is apparently intended for Poles to look at Poland, Ukrainians to look at Ukriane.

VelesHomais
June 13th, 2007, 06:52 PM
Updates from Kharkiv stadium :banana:

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/guvdcrt.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/zaaa.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/zzzz.jpg

http://www.metallist.kharkov.ua/admin/photo/albums/photoes/img/?id=1540

VelesHomais
June 14th, 2007, 05:21 PM
Fresh updates from the Dnipropetrovsk beautiful stadium

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/IMG_0290.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/IMG_0266.jpg

Enormous VIP section (1000 very comfortable seats with all the fancy stuff) , if it wasn't for it, the capacity would have been 40.000 without expansion.
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/IMG_0237.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/IMG_0230.jpg

VelesHomais
June 14th, 2007, 08:17 PM
Updates from Donetsk stadium, the most awesome arena of 2012

The roof has arrived to the stadium

MainNewsAll news

The roof has arrived to the stadium

25 trucks brought the first truss of the roof to the construction site of the new FC Shakhtar’s stadium. This is the first out of 14 main supporting elements of the roof. The main trusses are like rays stretch out from cores to the edge of the pitch and between them MERO space frame structure is located like a net to create a bowl atmosphere. Main trusses are the elements located on the top of the cores and supporting all the roof elements.

Roof cover over all seating is generally expected in modern stadia. Due to the more circular nature of the new FC Shakhtar stadium’s footprint the roof also will be circular and not typical TV shape.

The roof plane will dome slightly front-to-back for drain purposes and have an incline to follow the slope of the landscape and the stadium. This incline also serves both direct sunlight and air penetration to benefit the pitch turf environment. For the same purpose the roof opening and framing it glass elements are included.

All these mentioned considerable complicates the roof structure to make it a unique feature of the new stadium.

Right now the pre-erection of the truss elements on the ground is being carried out and the erection of the first truss on the core will start at the middle of June. The truss weight is 240 tons. It will be installed by the 600 ton crane, which was specially brought to the construction site with this purpose.

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/08_06_07/3.jpg

To think that just recently it was merely a field of dirt:

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0606/20.jpg

And now...
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0507/3.jpg

Pretty soon will be...
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/i/s_002.jpg

k%
June 15th, 2007, 12:42 PM
and poland? any newness

Polish government is fighting with Tinky Winky... damn...

Mesofius, keep up the good work!

Maurycy
June 15th, 2007, 07:13 PM
While there in Ukraine the constructions of stadiums are in full swing(congrat.), here in Poland we can't even start. I'm that bloody pissed with the government that it's driving me mad. God, please let's not screw it up. :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

VelesHomais
June 15th, 2007, 07:27 PM
If Poland doesn't start soon, will Hungary replace it? :ohno:

Maurycy
June 15th, 2007, 09:16 PM
Oh don't go too far. A few weeks ago I could ask "and if Ukraine falls apart, who will replace it?"
No one will have to replace us - we'll handle it. So will you and it'll be the best euro ever.

VelesHomais
June 15th, 2007, 09:38 PM
I was joking, I'm sure Poland can do it too.

Gummo
June 15th, 2007, 11:27 PM
edit

delfin_pl
June 16th, 2007, 08:01 AM
well at least we are building new roads and have better infrastructure, but stadiums are still on papers :(

sampras
June 16th, 2007, 06:35 PM
Update on Poznan Stadium:
As I mentioned 50000+ seats
and roof-on-demand system (I think so)

est. cost: 100 mln EUR

The smallest stand already exists, so they can't lift it up by a level....

http://images21.fotosik.pl/371/dbfa7f7ff54a0be4.jpg

Tuzin
June 18th, 2007, 08:14 PM
Hmm its nice they plan to increase the capacity. But probably the stands beyond goals will be two times lower than these along pitch.

sampras
June 18th, 2007, 08:47 PM
No, there will be as shown: one 2 level stand and the rest will have 3 levels.

The truth is, the stadium does not look as one piece,
as the smallest stand will not be connected to other stands and that p*** me of
(It will be a good visitors stand though)

TwItCH
June 18th, 2007, 10:42 PM
They should make the shorter stand only for V.I.P's so that the rich bastards feel more unique and important.

VelesHomais
June 20th, 2007, 02:36 AM
http://i14.tinypic.com/4yulkxs.jpg

VelesHomais
June 21st, 2007, 03:07 AM
Ukraine invests over 10 bln.USD in transport infrastructure
http://en.for-ua.com/files/news_images/source/news_9450.jpg

Ministers of Transport of Ukraine and Poland officially discussed joint plans for communications development during the International Conference of Ministers of Transport in Sofia (Bulgaria).

Ukrainian Minister Mykola Rudkovskyi assured Europeans that political crisis in Ukraine will have no effect on the championship preparation. Kyiv plans to build a superhighway dubbed the West-East and new circular road around the capital by 2012. Besides, it is also planned to reconstruct seven airports in large cities and build new terminal in Boryspil.

In order to facilitate movement of fans during the event, ten new AN-148 airplanes will be put into operation, including modernization of railways.

As it is known, Ukraine and Poland won the UEFA tender to host Euro 2012.

About 400 thousand foreign tourists are expected to arrive in Ukraine to see and participate in Euro-2012.
http://en.for-ua.com/news/2007/06/01/171519.html

kokpit
June 21st, 2007, 04:34 AM
Ukraine is really latent Europen superpower, once they join EU (I hope it will happen soon) their progress will even speed up.

Europe is changing once and away guys :okay:
Impressive stadiums btw and I'm convinced they will be utilized after EURO very well too.

Komandant MarkC
June 21st, 2007, 05:25 AM
EU - R.I.P. ~2020. :fiddle: :fiddle: :goodnight :goodnight


Ukraine can develop much better on its own, with smart and more importantly, united leadership in place:yes:

kokpit
June 21st, 2007, 05:42 AM
don't think so, EU would be quite advantage for Ukraine, being outside brings mainly disadvantages.

VelesHomais
June 21st, 2007, 05:51 AM
Yes, it would have been better for Ukraine if there was no EU or if Ukraine was part of it already, because now Ukraine is stuck between two worlds and is forced to find alternative, often odd, partners in many issues.

Maurycy
June 21st, 2007, 10:40 PM
EU vs. Russia - there's nothing to ponder upon. We both were under Russian control for over 40 years (you even longer considering pre-war times) and i really do doubt if it did us good. So I guess for Ukraine, Europe is the only way providing peace and prosperity.

DurczokFAN
June 21st, 2007, 10:42 PM
Polish tv nSport about Ukraine:
http://www.tvn24.pl/2053547,0,0,1,1,wideo.html :)

VelesHomais
June 21st, 2007, 10:42 PM
Russia isn't an option, but there are alternatives to fully joining EU. Besides, it doesn't look like EU is inviting Ukraine anyway, we're just going to have to find international partners around the globe, trade with everyone with whom it's possible and return Ukraine its nuclear status to once and for all eliminate the Russian threat. I just hope our politicians have enough wisdom to join NATO.

VelesHomais
June 22nd, 2007, 08:06 PM
Donetsk monster rising

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/22_06_07/3.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/22_06_07/1.jpg

The Stadium will appear on BBC news

The stadium of FC Shakhtar under construction attracted attention of the largest broadcasting corporation in the World.

The BBC reporter in Ukraine Helen Fawkes visited the construction site to tell the world about the first five star facility in the Eastern Europe.

Helen has been working as reporter for 15 years, 8 of which she spent in BBC global news. Besides UK she covered the news from Russia, Israel, Hungary and the last 3,5 years she spent in Ukraine. Everything that the world sees of Ukraine on BBC is the result of Helen’s work.

She says that she came to Ukraine in the most interesting period of time: “It is so much interesting going on here. First the “orange” revolution that the “blue” one. I got the news that Ukraine won the EURO 2012 while I was in studio reporting on latest political situation. I could not believe my ears!”

She came together with producer Daria Khabarova from Kiev office of the BBC World Service, where she is working from 2003 and the head video operator Pavel Muravyov, who is with BBC from 2004 and also making videos for Associated Press and France Press.

The journalists were impressed with the atmosphere at the construction site of the stadium: “Everything is so Western style here. Usually in Ukraine you have to drink three cups of coffee and have an hour’s talk about life before you are allowed to start. Here everything organized so well, you can see that people appreciate time, their own and other’s”.

The report on the construction of the FC Shakhtar’s stadium in Donetsk will be on the news on BBC World at the end of June.

DurczokFAN
June 22nd, 2007, 11:08 PM
:applause: for Ukraine.

Mr. Maciek
June 23rd, 2007, 02:49 PM
have they decided where the final/opening/closing ceremony's will be held?

Kiryl
June 23rd, 2007, 03:04 PM
have they decided where the final/opening/closing ceremony's will be held?

final in Kiev
openning Ceremony in Warsaw

DurczokFAN
June 23rd, 2007, 03:16 PM
Warsaw stadium on Euro 2012:
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/6/4069/z4069436X.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/8/4069/z4069438X.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/5/4038/z4038105X.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/5/4069/z4069435X.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/7/4069/z4069437X.jpg
But in Warsaw on Euro 2012 building two stadium - one this, and one Legia Warsaw stadium.:)

k%
June 23rd, 2007, 04:53 PM
^^ Those aren't the final projects for Warsaw stadium, and were posted in this thread already.

wholagun
June 23rd, 2007, 06:41 PM
^^^^^ when will the start the tender for a new design?

Tuzin
June 23rd, 2007, 06:47 PM
In few days.

sampras
June 23rd, 2007, 09:57 PM
I must say that now I know why Poland is one step behind.
Bustards (the government) are planning to build 6 stadiums and use 6 cities to held games... (or even 7 stadiums if Capital will build Legia's stadium aswell)
That means we could have problem in both: money and workforce...


edit:
can someone delete this post?
I've got no idea who's the moderator :)
thanks

sampras
June 23rd, 2007, 10:00 PM
I must say that now I know why Poland is one step behind.
Bustards (the government) are planning to build 6 stadiums and use 6 cities to held games (instead of 4)... (or even 7 stadiums if Capital will build Legia's stadium aswell)
That means we could have problem in both: money and workforce...

VelesHomais
June 23rd, 2007, 10:13 PM
Ukraine is also planning to use 6 cities and 7 stadiums.

Gummo
June 23rd, 2007, 10:17 PM
Ukraine is also planning to use 6 cities and 7 stadiums.

but ukraine is richer than poland ;)


Btw...Jaroslaw Kaczynski was against euro 2012 in Poland

DurczokFAN
June 23rd, 2007, 11:01 PM
but ukraine is richer than poland ;)
What? :lol: Rich? :lol: This is very funny. Every in EU repute this country (Ukrainie) too backward, needy (why yes!)... Poland do one's best in order to Ukraine stay in EU, but they don't be able to requite... Embarrassingly... The better part of Polish people don't like Ukrainie.

Hehe... After when we got Euro 2012 in Poland come into view funny picture where was Polish man and Ukrainian prostitute near road. Polish man run up to this woman from Ukraine and talk: I'm must congratulate person from Ukraine.:lol: Polish people was fascinated with this caricature.:lol:

wholagun
June 23rd, 2007, 11:25 PM
^^^^^^ HUH?

what do you have against Ukraine? Don't try and stir shit up. We're improving relations, don't be a dick and mess it up.

Gummo
June 23rd, 2007, 11:32 PM
What? :lol: Rich? :lol: This is very funny. Every in EU repute this country (Ukrainie) too backward, needy (why yes!)... Poland do one's best in order to Ukraine stay in EU, but they don't be able to requite... Embarrassingly... The better part of Polish people don't like Ukrainie.

Hehe... After when we got Euro 2012 in Poland come into view funny picture where was Polish man and Ukrainian prostitute near road. Polish man run up to this woman from Ukraine and talk: I'm must congratulate person from Ukraine.:lol: Polish people was fascinated with this caricature.:lol:

retarded

VelesHomais
June 23rd, 2007, 11:36 PM
I wouldn't be so sure about all Polish people, but am not too surprised that DurczokFAN is fascinated by prostitutes :)

k%
June 24th, 2007, 12:05 AM
What? :lol: Rich? :lol: This is very funny. Every in EU repute this country (Ukrainie) too backward, needy (why yes!)... Poland do one's best in order to Ukraine stay in EU, but they don't be able to requite... Embarrassingly... The better part of Polish people don't like Ukrainie.

Hehe... After when we got Euro 2012 in Poland come into view funny picture where was Polish man and Ukrainian prostitute near road. Polish man run up to this woman from Ukraine and talk: I'm must congratulate person from Ukraine.:lol: Polish people was fascinated with this caricature.:lol:

Learn english firstly befor You try to insult somebody, You imbecile.

Oekraїne
June 24th, 2007, 12:59 AM
What? :lol: Rich? :lol: This is very funny. Every in EU repute this country (Ukrainie) too backward, needy (why yes!)... Poland do one's best in order to Ukraine stay in EU, but they don't be able to requite... Embarrassingly... The better part of Polish people don't like Ukrainie.

Hehe... After when we got Euro 2012 in Poland come into view funny picture where was Polish man and Ukrainian prostitute near road. Polish man run up to this woman from Ukraine and talk: I'm must congratulate person from Ukraine.:lol: Polish people was fascinated with this caricature.:lol:

Not only that you don’t know how to speak English but also you obviously don’t know anything about Ukraine. So my suggestion to you is giving up prostitution and going back to school maybe you’ll learn something there but I doubt it.

paku
June 24th, 2007, 02:42 AM
DurczokFAN, what's that mindless mumbling you wrote? Embarrasingly...?
Yes, to say the least...

Gummo
June 24th, 2007, 07:22 AM
Nowy Stadion Legii

Legia Warszawa



http://www.stadionlegii.pl/images/articles/hmb1.jpg
http://www.stadionlegii.pl/images/articles/projekt/projekt4.jpg



http://www.stadionlegii.pl/images/articles/stadionlegii1_b.jpg
http://www.stadionlegii.pl/images/articles/projekt/projekt2.jpg
http://www.stadionlegii.pl/images/articles/projekt/projekt6.jpg
http://www.stadionlegii.pl/images/articles/projekt/projekt1.jpg

paku
June 24th, 2007, 07:47 AM
^^Gummo, I don't think that stadium will take any part in Euro 2012... Otherwise it looks quite ok.

Gummo
June 24th, 2007, 08:23 AM
^^Gummo, I don't think that stadium will take any part in Euro 2012... Otherwise it looks quite ok.

i know...but it will be a good stadium anyway

delfin_pl
June 24th, 2007, 08:24 AM
DurczokFAN you are pathetic, we are really ashamed because of you

Gummo
June 24th, 2007, 08:42 AM
Warsaw - National Stadium
Total capacity: 70 000



I version:


http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/5/4069/z4069435X.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/7/4069/z4069437X.jpg


II version:

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/5/3705/z3705305X.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/3705/z3705313X.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/5/4038/z4038105X.jpg


which do you prefer?

Nate
June 24th, 2007, 09:23 AM
Version II by far. I hope that's what you guys end up deciding on. I think it looks a lot classier.

delfin_pl
June 24th, 2007, 10:18 AM
Snake Arena :) I hope they'll choose it as well

sampras
June 24th, 2007, 11:01 AM
Nowy Stadion Legii



I think you've misplaced your post...
this one is about EURO 2012 and as far as I'm aware This stadium will not held it ;)


to durczokFAN:
Would you read rules before putting post on any forum ?

I hope that concludes this sad O-T, and we can continue discussion

vogafe
June 24th, 2007, 12:33 PM
DurczokFAN <-:bash: :stupid: :no: :doh: :down: :wallbash: :poke: :rant: -> he's not polish.

vogafe
June 24th, 2007, 12:35 PM
Snake Arena :) I hope they'll choose it as well

i hope they gonna propose some new design, something really, really nice :D

wholagun
June 24th, 2007, 02:53 PM
the legia design is kinda bland IMO. It's ok but I would like to see the other proposals

sampras
June 24th, 2007, 04:03 PM
Warsaw - National Stadium
Total capacity: 70 000

which do you prefer?

IMHO

first one looks so similar to stadiums already built (and bit like Baltic Arena)
second one looks like from other planet... hehe

So far, I don't fancy any of those conceptions...

VelesHomais
June 24th, 2007, 06:00 PM
I like the first version better, because I think version II will not look as great in life as on the render, but first one will.

Gummo
June 24th, 2007, 06:35 PM
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/5/3705/z3705305X.jpg

^^

looks like an UFO :lol:

http://www.freewebs.com/hipoteseaa/Imagens/UFO_horizon.jpg

sampras
June 24th, 2007, 10:00 PM
^^ that's what I'm sayin' :D

wholagun
June 25th, 2007, 02:58 AM
what material will they use to construct the UFO stadium?

vogafe
June 25th, 2007, 10:35 PM
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/5/3705/z3705305X.jpg

^^

looks like an UFO :lol:

http://www.freewebs.com/hipoteseaa/Imagens/UFO_horizon.jpg

We've got one UFO already in Katowice, we don't need any more.

jarekles
June 27th, 2007, 11:37 AM
what material will they use to construct the UFO stadium?

rigips and PVC:)

I prefer 1 version:)
nice shape

VelesHomais
June 29th, 2007, 08:40 PM
Ministry of Internal Affairs begins training policemen to act in professional manner when dealing with thousands of foreigners, it will be a long term program, eventually every officer will be able to communicate with foreigners in a language that they will understand and their conduct will be more professional.
http://ua.korrespondent.net/main/77994/

VelesHomais
July 3rd, 2007, 01:11 AM
Donetsk Shahtar :drool:


http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0607/15.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0607/6.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0607/7.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0607/2.jpg

VelesHomais
July 3rd, 2007, 02:02 AM
First renderings found on reconstruction of Olympic stadium in Kyiv, although there have been conflicting reports whether or not it will be includes as one of the EURO 2012 arenas, since Kyiv will build another brand new stadium. In either case, here it goes, note that this stadium was built before WW2

1936 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Kiev_Stadium_project36.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/nskolimpiyskyi03lp7.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/nskolimpiyskyi04un7.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/nskolimpiyskyi05md1.jpg

No renderings on the new Kyiv's stadium yet =[

VelesHomais
July 4th, 2007, 05:27 PM
Odesa will build a new a stadium with capacity of 50.000 :banana:

http://ua.korrespondent.net/main/78475/

sampras
July 4th, 2007, 09:23 PM
^^ good 4 you


it is now official:
there is no fu@#!n' way we'll build all needed roads for EURO2012 unless there is mayor change in law, and way to hold engineers and workers in Poland...

that's awesome ... :nuts:

Cracovia
July 5th, 2007, 09:05 AM
In Poland Were more concerned at the moment with infastructure than stadiums. Everyone realises that we have to build Motorways and Expressroads, Fast trains, bigger airports.

Anyway yesterday GDDIKA signed a contract for the geological studies for the A1 between Lodz and wezel Sosnica! The studies will take up to 6 monthes after which construction can commence they have already purchased 99% of the land needed under construction.

I reckon Stadiums will start being built in late 2008 early 2009!!
What type of Infastructure investments are you doing in the Ukraine??

VelesHomais
July 5th, 2007, 02:38 PM
Read more carefully, I already posted this

Ukraine invests over 10 bln.USD in transport infrastructure
http://en.for-ua.com/files/news_images/source/news_9450.jpg

Ministers of Transport of Ukraine and Poland officially discussed joint plans for communications development during the International Conference of Ministers of Transport in Sofia (Bulgaria).

Ukrainian Minister Mykola Rudkovskyi assured Europeans that political crisis in Ukraine will have no effect on the championship preparation. Kyiv plans to build a superhighway dubbed the West-East and new circular road around the capital by 2012. Besides, it is also planned to reconstruct seven airports in large cities and build new terminal in Boryspil.

In order to facilitate movement of fans during the event, ten new AN-148 airplanes will be put into operation, including modernization of railways.

As it is known, Ukraine and Poland won the UEFA tender to host Euro 2012.

About 400 thousand foreign tourists are expected to arrive in Ukraine to see and participate in Euro-2012.
http://en.for-ua.com/news/2007/06/01/171519.html

Also Pendolino trains were bought

delfin_pl
July 5th, 2007, 04:44 PM
^^^ hmm its not much, Poland is to spend 56 bln USD till 2012 (164bln zloty)

http://www.mt.gov.pl/article/aktualnosci/article.php/id_item_tree/fe065701f2be641281188b13b62c9cbe/id_art/8b092af9cc6a396556800b1c402a9dfd

VelesHomais
July 5th, 2007, 04:47 PM
In transport? Then you are way cooler :)

delfin_pl
July 5th, 2007, 06:18 PM
In transport? Then you are way cooler :)

yes its only for transport, the link I posted is an official site of ministry of transport, I've found it in English as well.
http://www.mt.gov.pl/article/english/news/article.php/id_item_tree/6d6f5233c7f7b5c26ae8346dfad4cf9b/id_art/f0a0cbf8d984b4d56c6ddf99c15166fe

note: those funds are only for road infrastructure, rail network is being modernised for TGV which Poland is to buy, (about 12bln Euro) and modernization and building new Terminals at airports (5-6bln Euro)

VelesHomais
July 5th, 2007, 06:25 PM
I believe you :)

Kiryl
July 5th, 2007, 09:26 PM
56 bln $ to 2015:D

sampras
July 6th, 2007, 12:16 AM
guys, note that on Polish site there are "mld" (thousand of million) while on English site "bln" (that is million of million... unless it is in US system and means there are 9 zeros, and that would match) ... am I right ?

delfin_pl
July 6th, 2007, 04:45 AM
billion in english is miliard in polish

http://www.dict.pl/plen?word=miliard&lang=EN

Gummo
July 8th, 2007, 08:37 PM
Ukraine and Poland Unprepared for Hosting Soccer Cup


Five years from now, Poland and the Ukraine will host the European Soccer Championships. Both are struggling to find billions of euros needed to build basic infrastructure such as roads, stadiums and hotels.

Poland needs to do construction work on approximately 4,000 kilometers (2,485 miles) of roadway. But they're 10 billion euros ($13.6 billion) short with no solution in sight, according to Wojciech Malusi, who heads an association of Polish road construction companies.

Warsaw's city hall doesn't know where to get money needed for projects like lengthening the metro lines. A regional train route needs to be built along with a national sports center with ultra-modern arena needs to go up.

Finding enough money is not the only one problem. Vendors at a fairground that is supposed to be razed to make way for the national stadium, are holding out for more compensation.

"They shouldn't think that we're going to willingly leave this place. If necessary, we'll take to the streets, like the miners did. Our work place here is more important than soccer and a show for Europe," one man said.

European Union will help out


Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Can Ukraine and Poland play ball?
At least Poland, unlike the Ukraine, can count on getting some help from the European Union. Brussels has promised 18 billion euros in the next years for infrastructure plus an additional 11 billion for road construction.

Polish Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski has taken a confrontational tone with the EU. Most recently, Poland angered its EU counterparts by nearly derailing a treaty deal over disagreements about voting rights.

"The government should simply refrain from this tone that we're the tiger of Europe. We're one of the poorest countries in the European Union," Malusi said.

While the money from the EU is welcome, Poland doesn't have the necessary 15 percent co-financing the EU help requires, Malusi said.

Kaczynski urged people to be patient and not to be influenced by the "hysteria created by the media." There's no problem yet, Kaczynski said. Preparation work has started and a minister will soon be appointed to oversee the projects.

"We're only human and can't do everything at once," he said. "But we certainly will have a handle on it."

The Polish public seems less optimistic. Only half of people in a recent survey thought the country was preparing well for the 2012 games.

Ukraine distracted by political problems


Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Both countries need to improve their roads
The Ukranian government plans to invest more than 20 billion euros to get the country ready for the European soccer championships.

The Ukraine needs to make massive improvements to its infrastructure. Streets and rail lines need to be built. Airports and hotels are not up to international standards. And it all has to be done in five years.

A political standoff has kept the government distracted. But Ivan Fedorenko of Ukraine's football association said all political parties signed on to a letter guaranteeing their support of the event and understand what it means to Ukraine.

"In only five years we must do the impossible," Fedorenko said. "Then we can invite the representatives from the European Union to the final game in Kiev and say to them: look here, we're a European country and we're ready to become part of the European community."

It's an ambitious goal. The country is still far behind European standards and won't get any money from the European Union to help get up to speed. Of the 20 billion euros, 90 percent will come from private capital, primarily from abroad. For foreign investors, the soccer championship is a signal that Ukraine is a good place to do business, said Ricardo Giucci, of the German advisory group for the government in Kiev.

But the Ukraine still has an image problem. Until now, many politicians didn't worry about what the rest of the world thought. That's changing, Giucci said.

More hotel beds a priority


Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Ukranian fans are ecstatic
Giucci expects a lot of foreign investors to be interested in the hotel sector. The country lacks modern hotels. Without modern accomodations, the Ukraine will face a lot of criticism come tournament time, Giucci said.

Ostap Protsyk, who is responsible for international affairs in the Ukranian host city of Lemberg, said the city continues to attract more European tourists. There are currently 6,000 beds available in town. To accommodate rising interests, they could use three or four times as many, Lemberg said.

"This is not only for the European Championships, but also for normal requirements for a city with a large tourist potential," he said.



DW staff (th)
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2672904,00.html

Komandant MarkJ
July 8th, 2007, 09:31 PM
There's an easy solution to all this....take out a low-interest loan from Russia.:yes:

golov
July 9th, 2007, 12:29 AM
^^ We dont have that kind of money for low-interest loans

VelesHomais
July 9th, 2007, 01:15 AM
None of the experts or politicians in Ukraine have stated that there are any problems. So far everything is going as planned, on the contrary they already found some major eastern investors for some of the projects, while half of the stadiums are going to be complete before the end of this year. They're going to be testing high speed trains on Kharkiv-Kyiv route pretty soon according to plans. Boryspil airport is being expanded by some Japanese investors, Donetsk airport just got national budget funding for its major expansion.

New Donetsk airport
http://airport.dn.ua/pics/air_new4_.gif

http://airport.dn.ua/pics/air_new3_.gif

http://airport.dn.ua/pics/air_new2_.gif

Text in russian only here
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=14022013&postcount=143

VelesHomais
July 9th, 2007, 01:27 AM
This is the current stage of expansion of the Boryspil airport by the japanese.

Japanese ambassador stated that it's going without problems and that Japan is ready to take active part in many of the infrastructure modernization projects in Ukraine as part of the Euro2012 preparation.
http://i14.tinypic.com/672yaeq.jpg

http://i18.tinypic.com/4lnl7qv.jpg

http://i15.tinypic.com/4y8savl.jpg

http://i10.tinypic.com/4uw90uc.jpg

sampras
July 9th, 2007, 10:23 AM
^^ nice design.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7GFFr-galA
We'll need to have military support for games in Waszawa I see... :ohno:
Perhaps "GROM" (that is polish equivalent of DELTA FORCE in US) :gunz: :guns1:

paku
July 9th, 2007, 10:39 AM
^^Fucking idiots! Those monkeys should go behind the bars with no parole. Shame for Poland that it cannot deal with them once and for all...:ohno:

VelesHomais
July 9th, 2007, 05:33 PM
Yeah hooligans really do ruin football with crap like this

Gummo
July 9th, 2007, 07:23 PM
^^ nice design.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7GFFr-galA
We'll need to have military support for games in Waszawa I see... :ohno:
Perhaps "GROM" (that is polish equivalent of DELTA FORCE in US) :gunz: :guns1:


legia:ohno:

btw the lithuanian stadium is a shit

VelesHomais
July 11th, 2007, 08:44 PM
Dnipropetrovsk stadium update

(11.07.2007) :banana:

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_9/IMG_1347.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_9/IMG_1309.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_9/IMG_1311.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_9/IMG_1316.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_9/IMG_1317.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_9/IMG_1318.jpg

Not the best time to take off the goggles
http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_9/IMG_1327.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_9/IMG_1338.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_9/IMG_1339.jpg

Two enormous screens suitable for a 60k arena ;)
http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_9/IMG_1346.jpg

VelesHomais
July 11th, 2007, 08:50 PM
Donetsk stadium

http://shakhtar.com/icons/shakhtar/foto/news/9586_02-07-07_n_max.jpg

Roof to be installed soon
02-07-2007 16:04:50

Last Friday they started to erect the roof trusses at the new 5-star Stadium. The works began in the southern part of the arena where the first, 55-meter long and 240-tones heavy, truss was installed.

Leonid Steblyanko, the structural engineer, told shakhtar.com that installation of this very truss demands more time and efforts than the next ones. All in all there will be 12 trusses fixed on stiffening cores: four twin and eight single ones.

Once tubular structural elements (one such block weighs about 100 tones) are installed between the main trusses, purlins will be mounted upon the upper parts of main trusses. Roof elements will be fixed on them.

It would be interesting to know, that in the southern part of the stadium, the roof cover will be 20 meters wide which will provide the pitch with sufficient amount of daylight.

As you know, the roof for the stadium was designed by the German company MERO. Technically seen, installing the roof is the most difficult job in a stadium construction or reconstruction process.

FC Shakhtar Press department

VelesHomais
July 11th, 2007, 08:58 PM
Kharkiv stadium (which, unfortunately, has a race track)

July 2007 updates

http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1183979167_img_1153.jpg

http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1184167316_izobrazhenie008.jpg

Destroying the other side of the old stadium
http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1184167446_izobrazhenie018.jpg

http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1183968393_izobrazhenie016.jpg

sampras
July 12th, 2007, 11:42 PM
From "Lech Stadium" Thread:

As you can see, another visualization and yet again Stand no4 seems not to be part of the stadium... We gonna have hell of a problem with it :(


http://www.poznan.pl/mim/public/galerie/new_pictures.html?co=show2&parent=14245&instance=1080&id=18814&lang=pl&allId=18811,18812,18813,18814
http://www.poznan.pl/mim/public/galerie/new_pictures.html?co=show2&parent=14245&instance=1080&id=18813&lang=pl&allId=18811,18812,18813,18814
http://www.poznan.pl/mim/public/galerie/new_pictures.html?co=show2&parent=14245&instance=1080&id=18812&lang=pl&allId=18811,18812,18813,18814
http://www.poznan.pl/mim/public/galerie/new_pictures.html?co=show2&parent=14245&instance=1080&id=18811&lang=pl&allId=18811,18812,18813,18814

VelesHomais
July 18th, 2007, 07:02 PM
Finally fresh update from Donetsk

It's beginning to look like a stadium
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/1.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/2.jpg

Roof installation
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/4.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/5.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/9.jpg

Last unbuilt side begins construction
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/12.jpg

First piece of the roof installed
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/10.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/21.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/27.jpg

golov
July 18th, 2007, 09:25 PM
^^ Very nice, keep up the updates

VelesHomais
July 23rd, 2007, 10:47 PM
Hyatt plans to build a second hotel in Ukraine before 2012 games.
___

In other news, Polish and Ukrainian businesses will unite in their part of preparations for Euro 2012. Coalition of Polish-Ukrainian businesses was formed today in Warszawa.

More in Ukrainian
http://ua.korrespondent.net/main/79693/

wholagun
July 23rd, 2007, 11:02 PM
the lack of info from the Polish side is disappointing

Tuzin
July 23rd, 2007, 11:05 PM
Cause probably its more important for Ukrainians.

VelesHomais
July 23rd, 2007, 11:06 PM
It would be interesting to see this thread in 2012, will the same people be updating it? :)

VelesHomais
July 23rd, 2007, 11:09 PM
Cause probably its more important for Ukrainians.

I think it's because Polish forumers are too lazy to do what I do, google for news for 10 minutes every other day.

Maurycy
July 23rd, 2007, 11:20 PM
It would be interesting to see this thread in 2012, will the same people be updating it? :)

It is said there'll be The End of the world somewhere around '12, so all those preparations are in vain :)

There are not much polish updates cause nothing spectacular is happening in fact. Procedural stuff.
The construction of stadiums (Gdansk, Wroclaw, Warsaw) should start in winter '07/spring '08 (in terms of Warsaw there'll be also a demolition of "Stadium of the decade", so construction itself would start in summer '08)
Poznań, Chorzów and Kraków are still being modernized.

sampras
July 24th, 2007, 12:36 AM
^^ prediction is that World will end 21/12/2012, so EURO will take place - no worries :D

In Poznan we've got a little break in building proses, as there are concerns about government founds allocated for our stadium.
There are two options as you know 45k or 50k+ ; which one will be build? hard to say :P
We need to consider if 50K+ stadium will be useful after EURO. It is important that stadium size is appropriate to size of city and local Club. We need to be sure, that after EURO stadium will not seem to be empty (or even worse BE empty) during League Matches.

I hope it will do as a Poznan update Dr.Mesofius ;)

VelesHomais
July 24th, 2007, 01:45 AM
Life cannot end as it has never begun ;)

VelesHomais
July 24th, 2007, 10:48 PM
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/24_07_07/1.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/24_07_07/2.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/24_07_07/3.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/24_07_07/4.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/24_07_07/5.jpg

VelesHomais
August 1st, 2007, 08:20 PM
Reconstruction with expansion of the sport pavilion of the Olympic Stadium in Kyiv, to create numerous public toilets and other comfort zones for the visitors.

http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/08/s_08_016.jpg

It's like a highrise combined with a stadium, my two passions are combined :banana:
http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/08/s_08_017.jpg

http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/08/s_08_018.jpg

http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/08/s_08_021.jpg

http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/08/s_08_022.jpg

http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/08/s_08_019.jpg

I was never too fond of the design of this 70 year old arena, but it might actually turn out to be a great combination of a historical stadium with modern infrastructure. Besides the reconstruction will cost as much as a new stadium and will completely transform it.

However, the running tracks are rather annoying, although in this case they are of sentimental value to me, I've passed more than one gym examination running on them, because my school was of extreme proximity :)

MasEl
August 1st, 2007, 08:41 PM
http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/08/s_08_021.jpg

:eek2: Modern Colosseum

VelesHomais
August 1st, 2007, 10:20 PM
As part of the Euro2012 preparations Kharkiv launches a program to utilize the efforts of medical and veterinary students to treat all the stray dogs in the city, give them all the necessary shots and castrate them. "Killing the animals is out of the question, but stopping them from reproducing is the only civilized option available".
http://www.korrespondent.net/main/201133/

I'm glad that the championship preparations affect almost every aspect of lives, speeding up everything that otherwise would have been done at much slower pace.

wholagun
August 2nd, 2007, 03:17 AM
that is SICK! We'll finally show the rest of europe and the world that we're not just commie blocks and smoke stacks

Adiks
August 2nd, 2007, 08:03 AM
Well, at least Ukraine will. Can't tell the same'bout Poland :(

VelesHomais
August 2nd, 2007, 05:28 PM
Donetsk stadium update

The stadium is closing in
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0707/3.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0707/6.jpg

The only part of the roof currently standing
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0707/7.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0707/12.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0707/14.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0707/15.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0707/17.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0707/18.jpg

The greatest construction sight of this city...ever :)
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0707/8.jpg

VelesHomais
August 2nd, 2007, 05:30 PM
Well, at least Ukraine will. Can't tell the same'bout Poland :(

It's only been a couple of months, I don't understand why some people think that everything should be done by now. With all the EU money going into Poland, your country will be unrecognizeable in just 5 years, you have a very bright immediate future.

VelesHomais
August 2nd, 2007, 09:29 PM
Nice FC Shakhtar Donetsk video, the new stadium is shown
tyjyVS1g89M

Nate
August 3rd, 2007, 02:13 AM
^^Nice video... but it's weird... the writing is all in Ukrainian, except for the teams name...

VelesHomais
August 3rd, 2007, 03:01 AM
Yeah, that would have been strange anywhere else, but not in Ukraine. Anyway, it was filmed by Steven Spielberg, he was hired to make a movie about Shakhtar Donetsk but it was banned from being released because it revolved around a player that's no longer on the team.

While we're on off-topic, FC Shakhtar Donetsk signed Nery Castillo :eek: for 20 million euro's

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/30_07_07_2/1.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/30_07_07_2/2.jpg

Finally a world class footballer in ukrainian league again

Nate
August 3rd, 2007, 08:05 AM
^^He also has a world class unibrow :D

VelesHomais
August 3rd, 2007, 08:09 AM
Well, it's quite stylish in Mexico

Maurycy
August 3rd, 2007, 09:33 AM
It's only been a couple of months, I don't understand why some people think that everything should be done by now. With all the EU money going into Poland, your country will be unrecognizeable in just 5 years, you have a very bright immediate future.

yeah you're absolutely right, but we Poles like complaining very much, particularly about our own country. Even the day we were chosen as hosts of Euro, some grumbled that we're too poor, that will not handle it and so on...
Our kinda national feature. :)

jarekles
August 3rd, 2007, 01:13 PM
yeah you're absolutely right, but we Poles like complaining very much, particularly about our own country. Even the day we were chosen as hosts of Euro, some grumbled that we're too poor, that will handle it and so on...
Our kinda national feature. :)

but we'll begin to build and will finish some crying :)
Poznan have begun yet.
Next Wroclaw and Gdansk
Interesting will be in Warszawa (X decade-Bazar Europa or Legia or some new)

Kuvvaci
August 3rd, 2007, 06:04 PM
super progress.. Bravo :okay:

I have to appologize that I thought Ukraine-Poland didn't deserve EURO. I was comnpletely wrong.

www.sercan.de
August 3rd, 2007, 07:56 PM
Some stadiums projects in Poland
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=490916

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS
August 3rd, 2007, 08:08 PM
Yeah, that would have been strange anywhere else, but not in Ukraine. Anyway, it was filmed by Steven Spielberg, he was hired to make a movie about Shakhtar Donetsk but it was banned from being released because it revolved around a player that's no longer on the team.

While we're on off-topic, FC Shakhtar Donetsk signed Nery Castillo :eek: for 20 million euro's

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/30_07_07_2/1.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/30_07_07_2/2.jpg

Finally a world class footballer in ukrainian league again
Today he gave a press-conference and he said that didn't want to leave and that the president of Olympiakos "sold-him". He has a girlfriend here and they are axpecting their 1st child.
I don't know who sold who but with all that money he "didn't make any mistake".

VelesHomais
August 3rd, 2007, 08:17 PM
Today he gave a press-conference and he said that didn't want to leave and that the president of Olympiakos "sold-him". He has a girlfriend here and they are axpecting their 1st child.
I don't know who sold who but with all that money he "didn't make any mistake".

I know that the Greek fans are sorry to lose him, but he had a good run in your league :cheers:

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS
August 3rd, 2007, 08:38 PM
I am not an Olympiakos fan so i don't care. I jusr said the above in case you find it intresting. Also i read in the press some nasty things about Dontsek's president :D

VelesHomais
August 3rd, 2007, 08:43 PM
I'm not a Donetsk fan either, so it's also bad news for the Dynamo, but a nice overall addition to make the league more interesting. The President is a.. quite a character, but he is building this stadium completely for his own money

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS
August 3rd, 2007, 08:51 PM
I'm not a Donetsk fan either, so it's also bad news for the Dynamo, but a nice overall addition to make the league more interesting.
:okay: and sorry for the off-topic.

VelesHomais
August 9th, 2007, 05:20 PM
Dnipro stadium update :banana:

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_10/IMG_2427.jpg

:naughty:
http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_10/IMG_2421.jpg

:drool:
http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_10/IMG_2420.jpg

:yes:
http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_10/IMG_2417.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_10/IMG_2390.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_10/IMG_2392.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_10/IMG_2389.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_10/IMG_2387.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_10/IMG_2382.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_10/IMG_2380.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_10/IMG_2379.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_10/IMG_2378.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_10/IMG_2377.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_10/IMG_2372.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_10/IMG_2375.jpg

http://www.fcdnipro.dp.ua/content/ru/images/gallery/metallurg_10/IMG_2371.jpg

:banana: :cheers:

Kuvvaci
August 9th, 2007, 05:41 PM
this one looks like Karaiskaki of Athens...

nebunul
August 9th, 2007, 05:45 PM
Nice update :cheers:

VelesHomais
August 10th, 2007, 12:28 AM
Kharkiv reserve stadium :cheers:
http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1186651311_img_2844.jpg

TwItCH
August 10th, 2007, 02:16 AM
Yup, looks like the reserve stadiums in Ukraine will be used alot :poke:

VelesHomais
August 12th, 2007, 02:51 AM
It's like a highrise combined with a stadium, my two passions are combined :banana:
http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/08/s_08_017.jpg

http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/08/s_08_018.jpg


The construction is quick :banana: pictures by Max

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c226/max_budyonny/11-08-2007/IMG_3457.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c226/max_budyonny/11-08-2007/IMG_3463.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c226/max_budyonny/11-08-2007/IMG_3462.jpg

sampras
August 12th, 2007, 12:07 PM
stadium looks strange...
seems they wanted to have everything there....

Greek columns at entry
Chinese Olympic Stadium roof alike
Lamps from Communist era
and glass cladding

I don't like the design at all I must admit ...

VelesHomais
August 12th, 2007, 05:20 PM
"Lamps from communist era" aren't part of the new design, they're literally from he communist era there :lol:

Max
August 13th, 2007, 06:31 PM
stadium looks strange...
seems they wanted to have everything there....

Greek columns at entry
Chinese Olympic Stadium roof alike
Lamps from Communist era
and glass cladding

I don't like the design at all I must admit ...

I think that designers/architects forgot to remove lamps from the rendering :lol:

Gummo
August 13th, 2007, 10:37 PM
Euro 2012 sets Ukraine tough test
By Helen Fawkes
BBC correspondent in Kiev



Communist-era stadiums need to be upgraded for Euro 2012
The industrial heart of eastern Ukraine was glowing in a beautiful sunset as local heroes Shakhtar Donetsk took on their arch-rivals Dinamo Kiev.

Yet the Soviet-era stadium looked small and a bit too old-fashioned for Shakhtar Donetsk, one of the country's top teams.

There are concerns that Ukraine may not be ready in time for the Uefa European Football Championships in 2012, which it will co-host with Poland.

It will be the most prestigious project that Ukraine has ever co-hosted, and it is expected to attract thousands of fans.

But there are fears that the politicians here do not have their eye on the ball.

Donetsk is one of four host cities in Ukraine. All of the venues were built by the communists, and they are well past their best, needing to be replaced or renovated.

Ukraine has faced one political crisis after another and now the country is preparing for a general election.

"The most difficult thing will be to change the attitude, to make the authorities look in the direction of football and start paying attention to the country's infrastructure," says Dmitriy Chigrinsky, a player for Shakhtar Donetsk and Ukraine.

"It's no secret that our country needs serious modernisation," Dmitriy adds.

Infrastructure woes


Ukraine is one of the poorest places in Europe. Now it has to spend billions of dollars preparing for the championships.



With vast distances between the Euro 2012 venues, transport is a top priority. Ukraine's trains are cheap but not exactly fast, as the network has not changed much since Soviet times.

A journey from Gdansk, one of the Polish venues, to Donetsk can take more than 40 hours.

And the alternatives are not much better. Ukraine only has one motorway and many roads are in desperate need of repair. The country's airports are all due to be modernised, and there is also a real shortage of hotels.

As if all that was not bad enough, there is a row over the venue for the final.

It is supposed to be held in the centre of Kiev, but a half-built shopping centre looms right next to the stadium gates - and the developers are refusing to knock it down. If it stays, the final will have to be played elsewhere.

Optimism

Despite all these problems there is a confident mood at the headquarters of Ukraine's Football Federation in the capital.


Hryhoriy Surkis is optimistic Euro 2012 will be a success

"If I wasn't an optimist I would never have dared to start such a project.

"Some people called it naive, they were sure it would be impossible for us to win the right to co-host the event. But we did win," says Hryhoriy Surkis, the president of Ukraine's Football Federation.

"We are now working hard to turn the fairy tale into reality," he says.

There are some positive signs. Two brand-new stadiums are starting to take shape in eastern Ukraine. One of the venues is being funded by Ukraine's richest man, the football-mad billionaire Rinat Akhmetov, for his team Shakhtar Donetsk.

Designed by a British architect, it will have a glass roof and promises to be one of the best stadiums in Europe.

The Ukrainian President, Viktor Yushchenko, has said that a co-ordination council will be set up with Poland.

It is due to meet in September to discuss a range of issues including joint infrastructure projects, and it will apply for support from the European Union.

Even so this former Soviet republic still faces a massive task to prepare for Euro 2012. It will be a race against time to complete all the work needed.

"Ukrainians are very proud to be co-hosting the championships. I am certain we can do it and we can do it well.

"This is about more than just football. If the tournament goes well then it could well boost our chances of becoming part of the EU," says a Ukrainian football fan, Maxim Simoroz.

With so much at stake the country cannot afford to fail.

VelesHomais
August 13th, 2007, 10:46 PM
Stupid article. Most stadiums will not be "upgraded commie-era stadiums" but brand new. And how long will Ukraine be referred to as "former Soviet republic", it's been 16 years already. Were both Germanies called "former Third Reich" in 1961?

Reminds me of ukrainian press that a week after the victory was publishing sensationalist articles about how "we're still not prepared" and that the Euro will be given to Italy because the stadiums aren't completed yet.

TwItCH
August 13th, 2007, 10:52 PM
Why is Ukraine getting the criticism? They're the ones that are actually doing something to organize the Euro in time, where as in Poland nobody knows what the hell is going on.

VelesHomais
August 13th, 2007, 10:59 PM
Anyway, another good news was just announced, the Lviv stadium construction will start early 2008 :banana:
http://www2.e2012.org/bin/stadia_lviv2.JPG

Thus, what we have is:
Donetsk- finishing
Dnipro- finishing
Kyiv- in process of renovation/reconstruction
Kharkiv- finishing
Lviv - construction to start early 08

Odesa- waiting for information

Nate
August 14th, 2007, 02:37 AM
Stupid article. Most stadiums will not be "upgraded commie-era stadiums" but brand new. And how long will Ukraine be referred to as "former Soviet republic", it's been 16 years already. Were both Germanies called "former Third Reich" in 1961?

Reminds me of ukrainian press that a week after the victory was publishing sensationalist articles about how "we're still not prepared" and that the Euro will be given to Italy because the stadiums aren't completed yet.

I read that article last night, and I actually wrote a reply to it to BBC... We shall see what they say... if they choose to respond.

VelesHomais
August 14th, 2007, 03:33 AM
Good, I doubt that they will respond though. I wrote them once as well, sometimes it sounds like they have amateurs writing sensationalist articles.

Some infrastructure news: Dnipropetrovsk chose 3 locations for investors to build hotels, one a 5 star hotel and the other two it doesn't specify. I don't think this includes the the Almaata highrise/skyscraper one posted here earlier:
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t125/sicc_2007/04.jpg

Some existing hotels from Dnipropetrovsk:

Bon Hotel: recently completed
http://gorod.dp.ua/pic/images/archi/2/bonhotel/02.jpg

Park Hotel: recently completed
http://gorod.dp.ua/pic/images/archi/2/parkotel/01.jpg

Kaspiy Hotel a.k.a. vagina: recently completed
http://gorod.dp.ua/pic/images/archi/pic/kaspiy/02.jpg

And a bonus, a recently opened Hyatt in Kyiv
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1013/858804367_e5281da334_b.jpg

Oekraїne
August 14th, 2007, 06:59 PM
Any news on the constraction of a new stadium in Kiev?

VelesHomais
August 16th, 2007, 09:53 PM
As part of the Championship preparations, a new Kyiv circle road will be constructed. The construction will begin in October this year. It will be approximately 200 kilometers long, will have 8 lines and will cost about 20 billion Hryvnias.
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8529/kyivroad2007reskc6.jpg

Should be similar to Kyiv-Boryspil avtoban.
http://static.flickr.com/64/196262499_12b13cf475_o.jpg

Mekky II
August 17th, 2007, 02:36 AM
Kaspiy Hotel a.k.a. vagina: recently completed
http://gorod.dp.ua/pic/images/archi/pic/kaspiy/02.jpg


Incredibly tall man on the pic, must be around 1m95 ... :lol:

Maurycy
August 17th, 2007, 11:00 AM
What's the plan of building highways in Ukraine? How many highways are already existing?

DurczokFAN
August 17th, 2007, 02:49 PM
What about airport in Kiev?

This is Warsaw airport:
Jib68WxB-ak

TwItCH
August 17th, 2007, 03:58 PM
^^With the way things are going, I wouldn't be suprised if that airport (terminal) wouldn't open to make it for Euro 2012. (not even mentioning the national stadium)

VelesHomais
August 17th, 2007, 07:26 PM
I already posted Kyiv airport current expansion, as to highways, the plans are to create a cross-national mega motorway, connecting west to east through Kyiv. If I recall correctly, it will end in Luhansk (almost at the Russian border) and starting on the Slovakian border at Chop (this section has started this year). Another highway is from Kyiv to north thorugh Chirnihiv and Sumy, which is being modernized right now.

As of today, only two modern highways that meet western standards exist.
Kyiv-Boryspil
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7670/borispolbig12copyhh9.jpg

and Kyiv-Odesa
http://www.diprodor.com/images/other/k_o1_big.jpg

And of the the Kyiv-ring highway which is due to start construction this year as well.

Highway expansion, modernization and construction is one of the current state priorities.

Max
August 18th, 2007, 12:37 AM
I already posted Kyiv airport current expansion, as to highways, the plans are to create a cross-national mega motorway, connecting west to east through Kyiv. If I recall correctly, it will end in Luhansk (almost at the Russian border) and starting on the Slovakian border at Chop (this section has started this year). Another highway is from Kyiv to north thorugh Chirnihiv and Sumy, which is being modernized right now.

As of today, only two modern highways that meet western standards exist.
Kyiv-Boryspil


Kyiv - Chop is U/C.

VelesHomais
August 18th, 2007, 02:27 AM
Good :) I wrote "this section has started this year"

VelesHomais
August 18th, 2007, 07:52 PM
Odesa brand new reserve stadium approved for construction to begin 5th December 2007 :banana:
http://www.chernomorets.odessa.ua/images/st3_resize.jpg
It will more massive and impressive than I hoped for, especially considering that theoretically only one game will be played here if any.

Capacity: 50 000
Approximate cost: 100 000 000 EURO. It could expand in the process.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/st2.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/img_1187344503.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/st1.jpg

My favorite part about it is the facade, looks really sharp. Unfortunately the renderings don't show them better, but they'll probably release some better images soon. Also notice how the roof is intentionally transparent to allow the light. The midrise next to it is a great idea, although the design could have been slightly better, but I like it nonetheless.

Some additional info:
- Parking lot for 2700 automobiles
- Hotel with 250 rooms (I'm guessing the midrise next to it, on the render)
- No running tracks :)
- Cafe's, restaurants, various entertainment and relaxation facilities as part of the complex (stuff under the midrise?)

VelesHomais
August 18th, 2007, 07:58 PM
Modernized airport in a small city of Mariupol. As Vampiro_Ucraniano says, it will possibly host of the teams during the championships and house some tourists that will head for Donetsk. Mariupol is located in the Dontsk-region.

http://www.maraero.com/text/ru/now/image001.jpg

http://www.ucrainaviaggi.com/immagini/mariupol/mariupol-3.jpg

Additional infrastructure news:

Kyiv:
will open 20 new subway stations before 2012, the total underground subway network will comprise of about 65 stations.
- will build 70 new hotels.
http://www.archunion.com.ua/sekcia/img-s/2007/08/s_08_005.jpg

The city is also launching a program to teach all the personnel that is involved in tourism infrastructure English, French and German languages.

Safety: 14,000 police officers, medics and emergency rescuers will undergo special courses teaching them how to interpret a western tourists state of problem by teaching them basic communication skills in all major western European languages and even instruct them on how to interpret the jargon of a foreigner to be able to assist immediately.

Two mobile - quick response hospitals will operate in the city, as well as four medical stations. Helicopter pads will be constructed on several existing hospitals for emergency situations. Two helicopters will constantly be in the air, one with medical personnel, another with emergency rescuers.

Museums will be equipped with English-language audio-guides.

sampras
August 19th, 2007, 11:16 AM
What about airport in Kiev?

This is Warsaw airport:


but new Okecie terminal is still NOT open (It was predicted to be opened like 6months ago) :bash:

Odesa brand new reserve stadium approved for construction to begin 5th December 2007 :banana:
http://www.chernomorets.odessa.ua/images/st3_resize.jpg
It will more massive and impressive than I hoped for, especially considering that theoretically only one game will be played here if any.



This one looks good :)



^^ can you put some more info about Kyiv Tube ?
perhaps actual and proposed network ?

Tuzin
August 19th, 2007, 03:24 PM
Its really unbelievable how instant starts planned investment in Ukraine. You dont have public procurement law? Any protests of neighbours or ecologists? Land for investment is owned by state?

ChrisZwolle
August 19th, 2007, 03:26 PM
What about motorway (Avtoban?) construction in Ukraine? I hear about a lot of ambitious plans! :)

VelesHomais
August 19th, 2007, 05:05 PM
Its really unbelievable how instant starts planned investment in Ukraine. You dont have public procurement law? Any protests of neighbours or ecologists? Land for investment is owned by state?

There are always problems with local residents and ecologists, for instance in Kyiv the land where the new stadium will be is one of the two locations, one is owned by some military base as a warehouse and another by an old hippodrome (for horses) and there are protests involving demolishing either of the objects. This is why new Kyiv stadium hasn't started construction yet. But in Odesa there will be no problems because this new stadium is on the place of the old one, which is going to be demolished now:

http://www.chernomorets.odessa.ua/images/other/stadium1_big.jpg

Tuzin
August 19th, 2007, 05:13 PM
But you wrote about 200-kilometer bypass of Kijow. The construction of whole stretch starts now? How long did the preparations take?

VelesHomais
August 19th, 2007, 05:37 PM
but new Okecie terminal is still NOT open (It was predicted to be opened like 6months ago) :bash:



This one looks good :)



^^ can you put some more info about Kyiv Tube ?
perhaps actual and proposed network ?

Sure, next year alone, 3 new stations will open.

Red, blue and green lines are finished, pink and teal are under construction.
http://archunion.com.ua/img/2005/04/s_04_077.jpg

Part of the teal line will be within ground due to the local geography
http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/05/s_05_021.jpg

http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/05/s_05_024.jpg

http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/03/s_01_082.jpg

But most of it is deep underground.

Line 4 and 5 will be built simultaneously.

This massive 7km long bridge will be part of the line-4, connecting left bank and right bank of the river. 6 automobile lines and 2 subway lines.
http://archunion.com.ua/img/2006/05/s_05_113.jpg

http://forum.metropoliten.kiev.ua/album_pic.php?pic_id=2034

It's on the orange line here:
http://archunion.com.ua/img/2006/05/s_05_101.jpg

Today, the whole network has 45 stations.

VelesHomais
August 19th, 2007, 05:39 PM
But you wrote about 200-kilometer bypass of Kijow. The construction of whole stretch starts now? How long did the preparations take?

I don't know how long they were preparing, but I read that the first section is ready to be constructed now because everything is agreed upon, while other sections of it will still have some problems with local residents and so on.

VelesHomais
August 19th, 2007, 05:45 PM
Dnipropetrovsk subway/tube/metro/underground will probably build only 2-3 stations before the championship.

Current network:
http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/dne/dnipro-map.gif

Expansion
http://metro.dp.ua/images/zab/P3261127.jpg

Future of Dnipro underground:
http://metro.dp.ua/images/proekt_2.JPG

Kharkiv as a reserve city is also expanding the underground

Current network
http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/kha/kharkiv-map.gif

Expansion
http://www.metro.kharkov.ua/ukr/images/lines.jpg

Donetsk will open it's first underground line with 6 stations

Bonus video from Kyiv tube, now you can look at antelopes and dolphins while on your journey :)
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c226/max_budyonny/th_subway.jpg (http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c226/max_budyonny/?action=view&current=subway.flv)

sampras
August 19th, 2007, 07:21 PM
^^ thanks

"Gorognaja" is looking great, almost like stations from taiwan :cheers:

VelesHomais
August 19th, 2007, 08:28 PM
:)

Unfortunately subway construction in Dnipropetrovsk and Donetsk is very slow, hopefully the championship will speed things up there.

VelesHomais
August 19th, 2007, 09:58 PM
The easternmost city of the Euro-2012 championship, Donetsk, hurries to modernize its infrastructure

Construction of the new airport commences.

http://airport.dn.ua/pics/air_new1_.gif

http://airport.dn.ua/pics/air_new2_.gif

http://airport.dn.ua/pics/air_new3_.gif

http://airport.dn.ua/pics/air_new4_.gif

Before the end of the year, the ground will be fully cleared for actual structures and runways to appear. Capacity of the Donetsk international airport will exceed current one by 10-20 times. The new runway will be among the longest in Europe, allowing absolutely all kinds of aircrafts to take off and land here.

http://ura.dn.ua/images/0000035593-3e159a2c-dc3cee05-4-1.jpg

http://ura.dn.ua/images/0000035593-59ae56bb-fd58f7f8-4-1.jpg

VelesHomais
August 20th, 2007, 12:14 AM
Kharkiv reserve stadium construction update from august 19 2007

http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1187519843_img_2994.jpg

http://arena.metallist.kharkov.ua/uploads/gallery/1187519792_img_2989.jpg

El Vampiro Ucraniano
August 20th, 2007, 12:11 PM
^^ Recently it was announced, that the roof on the stadium will be replaced, it will cover 100% of seats, and is likely to be transparent. By the way, east stand (on photos) was opened yesterday in match against Shakhtar.

VelesHomais
August 20th, 2007, 04:39 PM
Wow, that would be great, since I didn't really fancy this roof.

VelesHomais
August 24th, 2007, 06:58 AM
News from Donetsk

http://shakhtar.com/icons/shakhtar/foto/news/10280_23-08-07_n_full.jpg

The construction of such level stadium is a pioneer experience for the Eastern Europe and a complicated project both for the General Contractor Turkish Company ENKA and the project managing company Stadium Shakhtar Ltd. Although the two companies act on the basis “score twice before you cut once”, they still aspire to finish the project as it was intended.

For today the Northern and the Southern Stands are finished completely. 80% of metal frame for the façade glazing is accomplished at the North. At the South the facade works will start after the roof works will be finished.

75% of engineering works – ventilation, heating, sewage, water supply – accomplished at the Northern, Western and Southern stands.

The works on the inside concrete cleaning and preparation it for painting is in full swing. The internal finishing will be done after the façade and the roof is installed. The construction of internal partitions and the insulation of heated premises are on the way.

Outside the stadium’s building the construction of chimneys for the Energy Centre is being done. In the separately located Energy Centre the equipment for heating, autonomic energy supply and hot water supply will be located. The Viessman heating equipment has been delivered and as for the autonomic electrical supply as well as water heating, it will be done by micro gas turbines, which is innovative and environment friendly solution. Though the Energy Centre’s chimneys are 20 m high, they will be hidden between trees and will not spoil the appearance of the stadium and the beauty of the park.

In the beginning of September the works for the circular road adjusted to stadium’s building will start as well as the arrangement of the parking lot at the North stand. This road is also needed for the construction process as the crane installing the roof elements will move along it. To make this road all the temporary construction facilities – offices, warehouses and work shops have to be moved to another side of the construction site, which will be done during September.

Moreover, a contract has been concluded with KONE Company of Finland, for the supply, installation and commissioning of 20 elevators of the stadium. The stadium consists of 7 levels and the lifts will be used by the general spectators, VIP’s, Club members and service staff. The lifts for the disabled on wheelchairs are also provided. Such elevators are of monospace type, without need of machine room according to latest technology of the leading company for elevators in Europe.

Donetsk based company Zaschita will implement all the necessary fire safety related systems.

The General Contractor ENKA presented the designs for the outside lighting of the stadium.

http://webcam.shakhtar.com/video.jpg?1187931494770

VelesHomais
August 25th, 2007, 06:14 PM
Since there was a lot of concern regarding the condition of Ukrainian roads, here are shots of Kyiv-Kharkiv motorway, Kharkiv being a major reserve city that will most likely be utilized and from there you go down to Donetsk. Pictures are kindly provided by Quicksilver.

http://www.bigmedia.com.ua/cgi/getphoto_.pl?sn=24986&num=0&highres=1

http://www.bigmedia.com.ua/cgi/getphoto_.pl?sn=24989&num=0&highres=1

http://www.bigmedia.com.ua/cgi/getphoto_.pl?sn=24990&num=0&highres=1

http://www.bigmedia.com.ua/cgi/getphoto_.pl?sn=25003&num=0&highres=1

Kyiv-Zhytomyr
http://www.bigmedia.com.ua/cgi/getphoto_.pl?sn=25018&num=0&highres=1

sampras
August 25th, 2007, 09:25 PM
small Poznan update:


* modernization deadline Jun 2010 (UEFA obligation);
* modernization granting all FIFA % UEFA requirements ;
* 50.000 sits
* creating a proper surrounding for the stadium (parking, shops, etc.);
* 5-star UEFA stadium approval;
* UEFA TROPHY to be held in 2010 ;
* cost: 400 mln zł (78 mln EUR) /2007 calculations
* probably no 'sun roof' over the pitch will be installed due to high costs (unless some $$ will arrive ;) )

latest, but already out-dated visualization
hS0XPSYBMsA

Maurycy
August 25th, 2007, 10:18 PM
May I know how long are the highways in Ukraine? How many kms is it?

VelesHomais
August 25th, 2007, 10:23 PM
Altogether? I have no idea. They're all of different quality, so it's hard to say.

Maurycy
August 26th, 2007, 12:04 AM
You don't have such statistics? In Poland we have 665 km and 180 UC. Here is a map. Red - finished, Blue - UC, Black - planned. They all will've been ready by '12.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4739/610pxplmotorways2006090bw6.png

I was looking for a similar map showing Ukrainian motorways,but I couldn't find anywhere.

jarekles
August 26th, 2007, 02:59 PM
You don't have such statistics? In Poland we have 665 km and 180 UC. Here is a map. Red - finished, Blue - UC, Black - planned. They all will've been ready by '12.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4739/610pxplmotorways2006090bw6.png

I was looking for a similar map showing Ukrainian motorways,but I couldn't find anywhere.

In my opinion A4 Zgorzelec Krzyżowa should be in blue:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=204917

Maurycy
August 26th, 2007, 03:43 PM
In my opinion A4 Zgorzelec Krzyżowa should be in blue:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=204917

yeah, you're right. It should be blue. The very left part of A4 is UC. This map is from polish wikipedia, it should be corrected.