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urbanaturalist
April 26th, 2007, 03:34 AM
This article pretty much sums up why I'm such a feign for the Purple Line (w/ heavy rail of course). Former Maryland Governor Glendening talks about the inner suburbs around cores cities generally, but I'm pretty sure he was thinking specifically about those near-by Beltway clinging areas.

If You Lived In This Inner-Ring Suburb, You'd Be Home By Now

Parris Glendening

24 April 2007 - 9:00am

This week, a few stories circulated around our office that generated some discussion. One was a piece in The New Yorker by Nick Paumgarten on commuting in America entitled "There and Back Again". The tease at the beginning sums up the entire piece: "People may endure miserable commutes out of an inability to weigh their general well-being against quantifiable material gains."

In this story, the writer accompanies commuters in Manhattan and Atlanta while attempting to understand the life of an "extreme commuter." While massive state and national subsidies for road-building and new construction at the fringes of our metropolitan areas have no doubt enabled the growth that has sprawled out from our major cities, one also cannot look past our desire for the "good life". But are we really grasping hold of the "good life" when parents have to leave their homes at 6 a.m. and return after dark, just for their slice of the American Dream? Is the societal cost of that lifestyle part of the dream? As our staff wrote in this week's Smart Growth America newsletter, this illustrates the "psychological sleight-of-hand we perform on ourselves in accepting a life in automotive purgatory in exchange for the material signifiers of 'the good life'".

One story provided in the New Yorker piece is a man who commutes from Sharpsburg to Dunwoody, which you can see on the map below. (Sharpsburg is so far away it's not even on Google's high-resolution Atlanta-area map!) His wife laments the effect on their family. “He works eight to five but is gone from six-thirty to seven. I can’t rely on the fact that he’ll even be here.”



More than 3.5 million people (growing every day, according to the Census Bureau) endure commutes of 90 minutes or more each way, but there is a flip side to the growing phenomena of "extreme commuters" that has become quite familiar to us. Many cities in America, including Atlanta, are experiencing rebirth as people are returning to forgotten and neglected city centers.

People are now realizing the social impact of spending 3 hours in the car each day for extra square footage and are looking for places to live where working, shopping, walking, or biking in their immediate area is an option. So "stripes" of wealth are emerging as these city cores experience new population growth and urban living becomes a luxury good in some places. While some cities continue to add population—often wealthy and upwardly-mobile—the poor who inhabited the forgotten city neighborhoods are being pushed out into older first-ring suburbs, leading to a pattern of wealth in the city—and in the far suburbs and exurbs—with the poor often trapped in between.

The Brookings Institution publicized this massive shift in the demographic makeup of our metro areas, announcing a milestone finding in the history of our country last year: For the first time, more impoverished Americans reside in the suburbs than in all of our cities combined. Unlike the cities they surround, many of these older suburbs don't have access to adequate public transportation, lying just out of reach of bus lines or rail lines. Many are in dire need of infrastructure upgrades to replace crumbling school buildings, roads, or even basic amenities like sidewalks or crosswalks.

The common phrase is "drive 'til you qualify", but in Atlanta, along with other similar cities, there certainly is a surplus of houses and land in the inner-ring suburbs, though conventional wisdom is that they are old, or out of date, inhabited by "different" people, and in failing school districts. This perception may be accurate in some places, but 55-mile commutes across Atlanta, however, are hardly required to find adequate housing.

I often wonder why it is that we don't hear more criticism of the effects of sprawl from supporters of "family values." There is unquestionably a massive impact on the family when a commute reduces a parent's time with family to a few minutes in the morning or evening and weekends. At the same time, policies that incentivize far-flung sprawl while passing over existing inner suburbs seems neither conservative nor supportive of families.

While it is easy to speak of the flaws of the exurbs, it’s much more exciting to think about the massive potential for success in these older neighborhoods. Reinvesting in our older historic suburbs will be one of the greatest challenges of the next 30 years as we try to address mounting poverty while also providing urban living options near our cities—becoming ever more urgent as mobility in the outer suburbs becomes more difficult and more people awaken to the staggering financial and societal costs of "extreme commuting".

Those of us who care about smart growth must care first about maximizing our current investments. These investments extend beyond our city cores and must include the remaking of our historic, older suburbs into wonderful, livable places with access to jobs, basic needs, transit — and opportunities.

http://www.planetizen.com/node/23964

scando
April 26th, 2007, 04:47 AM
This article pretty much sums up why I'm such a feign for the Purple Line (w/ heavy rail of course). Former Maryland Governor Glendening talks about the inner suburbs around cores cities generally, but I'm pretty sure he was thinking specifically about those near-by Beltway clinging areas.

If You Lived In This Inner-Ring Suburb, You'd Be Home By Now....

http://www.planetizen.com/node/23964

This seems like such a no-brainer to me. Most older, inner-ring suburbs have better architecture, mature trees and better access to the city, retail AND other suburbs.

Maudibjr
April 26th, 2007, 06:50 PM
This seems like such a no-brainer to me. Most older, inner-ring suburbs have better architecture, mature trees and better access to the city, retail AND other suburbs.

You know if there is one thing that turns me off to newer home developments more than anything is the lack of trees. Its just so barren.

I recently drove through the new waterview development in Essex ( where the old apts were torn down.) They left a few of the mature trees and it is amazing at the diffrence just that little amount makes.

pfd103
April 26th, 2007, 08:00 PM
You know if there is one thing that turns me off to newer home developments more than anything is the lack of trees. Its just so barren.

I recently drove through the new waterview development in Essex ( where the old apts were torn down.) They left a few of the mature trees and it is amazing at the diffrence just that little amount makes.

It makes you wonder why so many more developers don't realize the advantage of working around certain trees...I for one hate when they clear cut all the trees and build houses. Usually what's left is 4 foot saplings (half of which die off within a year or two).

scando
April 27th, 2007, 04:30 AM
It makes you wonder why so many more developers don't realize the advantage of working around certain trees...I for one hate when they clear cut all the trees and build houses. Usually what's left is 4 foot saplings (half of which die off within a year or two).

It's expensive and complicated to build around large trees. If you compact the soil, disrupt drainage, cut or disturb roots, those large trees will die. On the other hand, if you clear cut, you can strip off the top soil and sell it, sell the firewood from the cut trees and build wherever you want. Then you leave buyers with concrete-like soil and the scorched earth look. Somehow builders managed to build around large trees in the past, but environmental rape is the current style. One of the neighborhoods I lived in, "Original Northwood", even had rows of townhouses but the builders (the same crowd that built Roland Park and Guilford) somehow managed to preserve the 200 year old oaks. It can be done but a developer has to have some values.

Maudibjr
April 28th, 2007, 05:51 AM
It's expensive and complicated to build around large trees. If you compact the soil, disrupt drainage, cut or disturb roots, those large trees will die. On the other hand, if you clear cut, you can strip off the top soil and sell it, sell the firewood from the cut trees and build wherever you want. Then you leave buyers with concrete-like soil and the scorched earth look. Somehow builders managed to build around large trees in the past, but environmental rape is the current style. One of the neighborhoods I lived in, "Original Northwood", even had rows of townhouses but the builders (the same crowd that built Roland Park and Guilford) somehow managed to preserve the 200 year old oaks. It can be done but a developer has to have some values.

I'm not saying it would be easy. But that is a consideration for me when I'm looking at a home. In the example I gave, there were maybe 10 mature trees (they were probably only planted when the crappy apts. were built) left in the whole area, but just that bit of green really livened it up from being barren.

Frankly I would not be surprised (especially in Balt. co.) to see housing tracts in the future be required bydevelopment laws to leave trees, not only for aesthetic reasons, but because they reduce energy use in the home.

scando
April 28th, 2007, 06:27 AM
I'm not saying it would be easy. But that is a consideration for me when I'm looking at a home. In the example I gave, there were maybe 10 mature trees (they were probably only planted when the crappy apts. were built) left in the whole area, but just that bit of green really livened it up from being barren.

Frankly I would not be surprised (especially in Balt. co.) to see housing tracts in the future be required bydevelopment laws to leave trees, not only for aesthetic reasons, but because they reduce energy use in the home.

It absolutely should be a consideration when buying a house. Trees really reduce your cooling load in summer. A big thing that has been happening in Balto County has been that lots of wooded land is being put in trust and lots of farmers are selling land. Since farm fields are generally treeless and flat, that determines what the home buyer gets. The builder usually sells the topsoil leaving houses on treeless subsoil with a few little saplings, so there you go. Another reason to buy in old areas and the city.

ajoutz
April 28th, 2007, 06:49 PM
I'm not saying it would be easy. But that is a consideration for me when I'm looking at a home. In the example I gave, there were maybe 10 mature trees (they were probably only planted when the crappy apts. were built) left in the whole area, but just that bit of green really livened it up from being barren.

Frankly I would not be surprised (especially in Balt. co.) to see housing tracts in the future be required bydevelopment laws to leave trees, not only for aesthetic reasons, but because they reduce energy use in the home.

I hate the new developments with the tiny saplings, it just makes the neighborhood seem too open and empty. Trees are very important to the feeling.

Archiconnoisseur
April 29th, 2007, 02:38 AM
Count me in as a member of the trees make the neighborhood crowd.

scando
April 30th, 2007, 04:54 AM
Count me in as a member of the trees make the neighborhood crowd.

While I'm on a tree rant (in previous messages), another thing that really puts a bug in my butt is that developers plant trashy, short lived non-native trees. They are cheap and can grow in hard subsoil but most of them are not wind-stable don't last very long. I can see planting some cheap trees in order to get a quick green-up but they also should plant slower growing native trees that will survive in the long run.

Maudibjr
May 1st, 2007, 04:41 PM
While I'm on a tree rant (in previous messages), another thing that really puts a bug in my butt is that developers plant trashy, short lived non-native trees. They are cheap and can grow in hard subsoil but most of them are not wind-stable don't last very long. I can see planting some cheap trees in order to get a quick green-up but they also should plant slower growing native trees that will survive in the long run.

I totally agree. To me, I house is not complete without some greenery. I just really don't understand why people would want to live in a new house, with ever declining construction quality, on a former farm field that is totally windswept. People in Kansas at least plant a windbreak.