View Full Version : Beetham Hilton Tower | 50 floors | 157m
caw123 August 1st, 2005, 02:56 PM Yep, getting really lofty now. The top of the DOKA is probably about 130m now. Core about 125m. Floorplates about 95mish.
Taken yesterday. Notice the setback on the left side, at the same level as the overhang? That's so the double layered facade can go in, I assume.
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/381BeethamReachesNewHeightsInManchester_pic1.jpg
Just watch out for that Northbeach ..... he's from Nottingham!
Heh. Heres a photo for the jolly fella. If only our trams looked like that.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/caw123/P4200009.jpg
future.architect August 1st, 2005, 07:19 PM my mate gets a realy good veiw of beetham from his balcony in citygate 2, and you get a realy good veiw from the top floor of carillions offices (where i work) in chorlton. i will take pictures one day
frozenmusic August 1st, 2005, 07:26 PM my mate gets a realy good veiw of beetham from his balcony in citygate 2, and you get a realy good veiw from the top floor of carillions offices (where i work) in chorlton. i will take pictures one day
oh my lord, I temped on that floor for a week a few months ago, it was a living hell. Have they got the filing pile sorted yet???? I still have nightmare's about it.
and, Beetham, erm it's sure big.
future.architect August 1st, 2005, 11:54 PM oh my lord, I temped on that floor for a week a few months ago, it was a living hell. Have they got the filing pile sorted yet???? I still have nightmare's about it.
and, Beetham, erm it's sure big.
i havent handed any of my filling in for about 2 weeks.
i'm hoping it will go away but that hasnt happend just yet
jrb August 2nd, 2005, 03:52 PM From todays MEN! :drool:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/MKIOP.jpg
caw123 August 2nd, 2005, 05:16 PM Lol. God bless the MEN for having such regular skyscraper articles. But please, no more graphics! The 37th is actually currently the first floor below the DOKA, top of the DOKA is equivalent to the 41st/42nd floors, alas, the Beetham looks way too tall on that.
Chorltonred August 2nd, 2005, 07:12 PM Somebody has obviously drawn that with a ruler and pencil. It seems to have about 80 floors.
We wish!
london-b August 2nd, 2005, 07:17 PM I love that clading!
Northbeach August 2nd, 2005, 08:52 PM ^ Is that what they call pencil drawn cladding?
Magic - news from nothing.
Subtract August 3rd, 2005, 03:12 PM I love the m.e.n! funny thing is they never seem to contact ISA that much, im sure it would help things greatly as there are accurate drawings made every 2 weeks on the progress
Subtract August 3rd, 2005, 03:17 PM Wow look at these from the ISA website
I could of swore theres a legal notice on the site referring to copying those images??? ;)
I took all of them, ive got some nice distance shots to add soon but the whole way of viewing the images will change soon so its easier and quicker to load up
crush2000 August 3rd, 2005, 08:03 PM view of Mr Beetham from Gateway today
http://tinypic.com/9uwxgk.jpg
ferge August 3rd, 2005, 08:50 PM Stunning, sheer stunning.. That'd be a good angle for photos when completed...
..Who am I kidding, EVERYWHERE will have good angles for this beaut :P
Tomesh August 3rd, 2005, 11:34 PM saw this skyscraper being constructed when I was in Manchester a week ago and im sure its gonna be a great. Are there any more highrises plannes in the area ?
Accura4Matalan August 3rd, 2005, 11:36 PM Excellent photo crush :)
caw123 August 4th, 2005, 12:09 AM Yep great shot, but the pulitzer pump has gone once again! :ohno:
Went to see War of the World at AMC today and came out at about 9.30, just after the sun had set, Beetham looked fantastic! The cladding is stunning.
Northbeach August 4th, 2005, 12:44 AM That's wonderful Crush - cheers for the Piccadilly updates in general also.
Mikey August 4th, 2005, 09:30 AM ^ Ive got an allmost perfect DVD copy of WOTW'S but the film is a not great.
Craig August 4th, 2005, 11:23 AM saw this skyscraper being constructed when I was in Manchester a week ago and im sure its gonna be a great. Are there any more highrises plannes in the area ?
Yes moj kolega. Check out the Manchester Developments Thread and you'll see we have many more talls on the way. Na zdrowej!
andysimo123 August 4th, 2005, 02:04 PM Phil's moving to Everton so he may sell up.
Manc Guy August 4th, 2005, 02:05 PM Yeah 'Wotw' was a real let down...Dont beleive the 'hype'...
I go AMC now an again, Beetham looks very imposing....
skit_uk August 4th, 2005, 05:57 PM I was at AMC for charlie and the chocolaite factory (great film)
Still nothing inside the great northern but they do seem to be doing some building work. What's going on here then?
Northbeach August 4th, 2005, 08:12 PM ^The casino is now being built.
Farsight August 5th, 2005, 04:14 PM Off topic, apologies: I thought War of the Worlds was really irritating. All those great effects and imagery were spoilt by a pathetic Tom Cruise storyline that was almost peripheral to the main action, stupid protagonists, screaming, misbehaving children, and emotion that just didn't work.
highriser August 5th, 2005, 04:36 PM Some shots from today
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/mancpicaug008.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/mancpicaug005.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/mancpicaug004.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/mancpicaug003.jpg
andysimo123 August 5th, 2005, 04:39 PM Nice pics. :)
dgnr8 August 5th, 2005, 05:13 PM I've yet to see the WOTW remake. If it is indeed a remake. If they've gone for a new version of the classic original (not the radio one) then they're on a hiding to nowt.
Nice pics. She's looking damn cute.
sprouty76 August 5th, 2005, 05:15 PM I enjoyed WotW...
oscar9 August 5th, 2005, 05:54 PM The dokas back!Are these always going faulty?Sorry I just mean the pump part!Not the doka itself
caw123 August 5th, 2005, 10:57 PM Nice ones highriser mate.
WOTW was a bit crap. These flipping massive tripod things are destroying everything and we have to put up with Tom Cruises kid being a whiny little bitch. Abrupt ending too.
Photo from the other day
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P8030003copy.jpg
deep sea buildings August 6th, 2005, 08:27 PM wow, getting quite impressive now. any idea when this will top out?
Mez August 6th, 2005, 09:00 PM Sad for asking, I know, but is DOKA an abbreviation or a brand?
EarlyBird August 6th, 2005, 09:05 PM Sad for asking, I know, but is DOKA an abbreviation or a brand?
Didn't do much research did we... ;) It's a brand.
http://www.doka.com/
Doka make the thing, MPB Structures are the subcontractors operating it.
Mez August 6th, 2005, 09:23 PM Yeah but, In this superfast lifestyle we have now, the internet seems so slow, much like those libraaariee things.
Ta
Smileyface August 6th, 2005, 09:34 PM Great pics Highriser looking forward to taking some photo's of this beauty myself soon.
EarlyBird August 6th, 2005, 10:58 PM Yeah but, In this superfast lifestyle we have now, the internet seems so slow, much like those libraaariee things.
Ta
The internet is so slow that it was quicker to type a long message into a forum and wait for a reply than it was to type "doka" into Google eh? :crazy:
kids August 6th, 2005, 11:04 PM it's looking very fantastic now, saw them mid-rising the crane earlier today.
Mez August 7th, 2005, 04:02 AM "The internet is so slow that it was quicker to type a long message into a forum and wait for a reply than it was to type "doka" into Google eh?
Yeh.
caw123 August 7th, 2005, 03:03 PM it's looking very fantastic now, saw them mid-rising the crane earlier today.
Mid rising? Eh?
On the subject of cranes, the 3rd one building to podium was taken down a couple of weeks back.
kids August 7th, 2005, 03:13 PM (in the middle of extending it)
caw123 August 7th, 2005, 03:21 PM Oh ok, I'll go upstairs and have a look if I can see a bit more crane poking above the chimney of number 3. :yes:
mrout August 7th, 2005, 07:37 PM Just got back from a weekend in manchester - saw this beauty up close (rather than from a train!) for the first time. Couple of observations -
1. Really quality cladding, it will look great. Also it looks like there's gonna be a decent entrance to the building
2. I think it looks somewhat out of place, and the location ain't great. I will no doubt be proved wrong once it's completed, but the location is very much tucked away behind the AMC and sandwhiched in between the railway arches and the road.
3. The office bit looks awful, imo. Again, I hope i'll be proved wrong once completed.
4. Dimensionally it's a bit dissapointingly small close-up. It looks fucking massive and looms over everything around when viewed from a distance, but up close it appeared relatively small. It's so slight and narrow, i dunno how balanced it's gonna look when completed. Again, hopefully i will be proved wrong.
Overall, interesting to see, but I was a little dissapointed. Shame.
GN tower looks pretty decent though, and there is an absolute FUCKLOAD of building work going on all over the place. It's incredible.
frozenmusic August 7th, 2005, 11:30 PM 1. Really quality cladding, it will look great. Also it looks like there's gonna be a decent entrance to the building
2. I think it looks somewhat out of place, and the location ain't great. I will no doubt be proved wrong once it's completed, but the location is very much tucked away behind the AMC and sandwhiched in between the railway arches and the road.
3. The office bit looks awful, imo. Again, I hope i'll be proved wrong once completed.
4. Dimensionally it's a bit dissapointingly small close-up. It looks fucking massive and looms over everything around when viewed from a distance, but up close it appeared relatively small. It's so slight and narrow, i dunno how balanced it's gonna look when completed. Again, hopefully i will be proved wrong.
1. Oh yeah, agreed. Apart from I think the fins on the side look really naff, but I'll hold fire until it's finished, perhaps they will make more sense then.
2. I can see why you think this, but I am more of the opinion that it is the perfect sight. Manchester is a spread-out city, where there is something amazing and unusual to see at every turn. To me it fits into this ethos as well as marking the South-West corner of the city centre proper. We don't (or I don't at least) want it next to the CIS.
3. Assuming you are talking about the granite-effect box - Agreed, fingers crossed eh. It's not actually the office but part of the hotel btw, the office bit is still to come and is on the other side.
4. Yes, Yes, Yes, it just sort of reflects away into the sky at the moment doesn't it. I get no sense of how big it is when I am standing under it. Again, perhaps this will change.
Cheers for the comments, very interesting to have someone who isn't as close to it as we all are give their opinion.
Mez August 8th, 2005, 12:25 AM I dont think its an issue of how it appears when stood underneath it. I went to the 330m NTL mast near Huddersfield and expierienced the same illusion. Probably due to the fact, you cant see the top.
The views from Liverpool Rd and Gt Bridgewater st are really powerful though.
Does anyone know how tall the mast is at Heaton Park out of interest?
caw123 August 8th, 2005, 12:33 AM Heaton Mast I would estimate at 50m.
IMO the Beetham site is by far one of the best sites for a tall building in the whole city. Extremely prominent, on one of the main throughfares, near railway and tram lines and close to very centre of Roman Mamuciam. The tower fills the view from Liverpool Street. It carries on the building line from the AMC which itself carries on the line from the GN Warehouse(sort of).
The fact that there are no immediate sites avaliable nearby for a similar sized structure will allow it to always have a massive dominance and be appreciated. It's a tower that is designed to stand alone.
kids August 8th, 2005, 12:36 AM plus, as many people have already said, it seems that whatever main road into manchester you go on, beetham seems to be standing at the end of it.
highriser August 8th, 2005, 01:01 AM I think there quite a few site's around Beetham where a development of this size could be built,there's at least 3 huge carparks behind Deansgate station,it would be ashame if Beetham was left on it's own.
oscar9 August 8th, 2005, 05:38 PM I certainly dont think it looks dissappointingy small close up, looking down deansgate it looks massive. same from the deansgate locks area and it looks bigger in real life than any photos on here. Frozenmusic, how can it reflect away into the sky ATM when it is mostly bare concrete with bulky doka gear on top..I assume you mean the cladding around the bottom of the building. Certainly the finished tower is designed to to just that with the glass blade.
man med August 8th, 2005, 08:00 PM Eh up fellas..
Taken today from Derby rd bridge, above M602 Salford...
shows the 1st crane has been extended again...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/markdavies/gif.gif
Accura4Matalan August 8th, 2005, 08:03 PM Awesome pic! The cranes alone are jaw dropping :eek:
rolybling August 8th, 2005, 08:05 PM Even standing underneath Sears Tower or The Chrystler Building I didn't think they seemed so big so I think its somnething to do with the angle of view, obviously its not the same as from a distance.
andysimo123 August 8th, 2005, 08:13 PM How tall does any one recon it is now?
kids August 8th, 2005, 08:18 PM i'd say it's about 190m to the very tip. it's gotta be the tallest crane in the uk?
Caiman August 8th, 2005, 08:30 PM I bet the crane driver earns an hours pay just climbing up to the cab in that thing... wowzers.
andysimo123 August 8th, 2005, 08:31 PM I was talking about the tower its self.
kids August 8th, 2005, 08:33 PM /\ i think caw's said it's 130m.
caw123 August 8th, 2005, 10:46 PM i'd say it's about 190m to the very tip. it's gotta be the tallest crane in the uk?
Someone came on a bit ago and said they would be(I think) 174m and 186m tall when fully extended, 174m being the one just extended. So we can expect the blade to come upto just below the currently highest crane jib.
Brock Flanders August 9th, 2005, 10:17 AM On www.skyscrapernews.com an article stated that the beetham tower had topped out now and was just reaching its final stages of construction.
This baffles me because when you take a look at the Buildings diagram ([url]www.skyscraperpage.com[url]) that CAW123 has done the tower looks huge compared with the CIS and Sunley tower.
But from a distance looking at Manchester city centre the towers all look about the same height. Can anybody shed some light on this matter.
I was under the impression this tower was going to be massive compared with the present ones. :bash:
rolybling August 9th, 2005, 10:37 AM On www.skyscrapernews.com an article stated that the beetham tower had topped out now and was just reaching its final stages of construction.
This baffles me because when you take a look at the Buildings diagram ([url]www.skyscraperpage.com[url]) that CAW123 has done the tower looks huge compared with the CIS and Sunley tower.
But from a distance looking at Manchester city centre the towers all look about the same height. Can anybody shed some light on this matter.
I was under the impression this tower was going to be massive compared with the present ones. :bash:
Dont worry its nowhere near being topped out yet, its only just over half way size wise at the moment so I wouldn't worry if its gonna look taller or not coz well, IT IS!!! When finished it will stand at 171m, considerably taller than he CIS at 118m, don't worry, by this time next year its gonna be a monster, TRUST US lol..
Subtract August 9th, 2005, 10:40 AM On www.skyscrapernews.com an article stated that the beetham tower had topped out now and was just reaching its final stages of construction.
This baffles me because when you take a look at the Buildings diagram ([url]www.skyscraperpage.com[url]) that CAW123 has done the tower looks huge compared with the CIS and Sunley tower.
But from a distance looking at Manchester city centre the towers all look about the same height. Can anybody shed some light on this matter.
I was under the impression this tower was going to be massive compared with the present ones. :bash:
Thats a funny one that! should be topped out around xmas time just in time for our works party up there lol!
jrb August 9th, 2005, 10:55 AM Subtract!
Any news on when you'll be able to show us the renderings of 2-4? :)
caw123 August 9th, 2005, 11:48 AM On www.skyscrapernews.com an article stated that the beetham tower had topped out now and was just reaching its final stages of construction.
This baffles me because when you take a look at the Buildings diagram ([url]www.skyscraperpage.com[url]) that CAW123 has done the tower looks huge compared with the CIS and Sunley tower.
But from a distance looking at Manchester city centre the towers all look about the same height. Can anybody shed some light on this matter.
I was under the impression this tower was going to be massive compared with the present ones. :bash:
Nowhere on the site does it state that Beetham Manchester has topped out. Please read more carefully. I wrote the recent Beetham article on SNUK mate, it does not say it is has topped out!
Subtract August 9th, 2005, 11:49 AM Subtract!
Any news on when you'll be able to show us the renderings of 2-4? :)
would you be excited if i said in the next hour?
jrb August 9th, 2005, 12:10 PM Blurt! :yes:
Don't like the question mark though! :nono:
Bring it on Subtract!
Subtract August 9th, 2005, 12:23 PM Okay would you be more happy if it was there now then???
..... have a look........
mrout August 9th, 2005, 03:25 PM Even standing underneath Sears Tower or The Chrystler Building I didn't think they seemed so big so I think its somnething to do with the angle of view, obviously its not the same as from a distance.
I disagree entirely! Sears looms MASSIVELY when you're stood under it. Perhaps beetham will look better once clad and finished, and at it's full height.
Accura4Matalan August 9th, 2005, 03:32 PM Thats a funny one that! should be topped out around xmas time just in time for our works party up there lol!
Oh no, not this again. Beetham said they planned to do the same thing at HCT last year, and it didnt top out in time! Your Xmas parties on top of new towers are cursed!
dgnr8 August 9th, 2005, 04:09 PM Be fair, somebody started the party early and drunkenly pushed a crane off the top in a feat of superhuman strength equalled only by the power of Brian Blessed's voice.
Griff August 9th, 2005, 08:47 PM Nice renders of 2-4 Chester Road, Subtract. I like it.
I agree about towers looking smaller close up. Maybe it varies from person to person but I always think they look bigger from a distance. I remember the first time I saw 1 Canada Square and thinking it looked nowhere near the height I imagined. In fact, the same goes for Sunley and CIS -- they loom so large from a distance, particularly Sunley, and yet look positively dainty close up.
Well OK, maybe not dainty but you get my drift...
9462 August 10th, 2005, 08:55 PM looking at the simpson renderings, its got quite a bit to go yet.
http://www.iansimpsonarchitects.com/site/main.htm
What are they doing with that little road at the entrance? making it private?
caw123 August 11th, 2005, 07:33 PM http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P8110135copy.jpg
Doka has risen today. How do I know? Cos the blue pump rose into view from my house today. :rock:
gothicform August 11th, 2005, 07:35 PM thats clearly a chimney extension.
gothicform August 11th, 2005, 07:37 PM topped out -
The tallest core is just 10 floors away from topping out. A concrete, glass clad 'blade', will take the building to a total of 171m.
Accura4Matalan August 11th, 2005, 07:37 PM Yeh, someone has just stuck a blue stick up their chimmney :no:
wjfox August 11th, 2005, 09:23 PM http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P8110135copy.jpg
Doka has risen today. How do I know? Cos the blue pump rose into view from my house today. :rock:
:happy:
Northbeach August 12th, 2005, 12:32 AM Saw the yellow sod from thr Thelwall Viaduct (Warrington?) on the M6 today.
Must be 20 odd miles out?
Your sun looks like Paul 'McGee' Daniels CAW.
Jongeman August 12th, 2005, 12:57 AM You can already see it from thelwall? .....)
Northbeach August 12th, 2005, 01:00 AM Yup.
Helped having a f*ck off sun glare bounce off the Doka.
westisbest August 12th, 2005, 07:43 PM coming back over the snake pass today and beetham is really making an impact on Manchester now :cheers:
Liam-Manchester August 12th, 2005, 10:09 PM I noticed that Beetham was clearly visible while watching the cricket on tv today, when it's complete it will look superb from Old Trafford Cricket Ground on tv.
caw123 August 12th, 2005, 10:17 PM Yeah spotted it a few times too.
Easily visible from some of the general views over the ground, and even from inside the ground the cores poke above, though it was only over the crappy single tier bits.
Jake_the_Peg August 12th, 2005, 10:20 PM BTW, are there any plans to redevelop the cricket ground?
Potato Man August 12th, 2005, 10:32 PM Interesting Question.
LCCC are looking at several options. One of these id the redevelopment of Old Trafford, which is now well past it's sell by date. Other options include relocation - both Eastlands and Wigan have been mentioned.
Nothing official from the cricket club though.
dgnr8 August 13th, 2005, 12:19 AM Apparently Wigan is the most likely choice but if this really were the case, I'd be *incredibly* surprised if MCC didn't offer all manner of silly incentives to move to somewhere within the Manchester boarder. I do hope they move to Sports City and a landmark stadium design could be formulated, maybe with a 40,000 capacity. Too much for Lancy but England in it's current and foreseeing form could easily pack it out. And if 20/20 continues to grow and England can become the no 1 team in the World, I'd be surprised if we didn't see a few Lancy test matches approaching the 15,000 mark, what with Freddy and all. And maybe Murali too.
Jongeman August 13th, 2005, 04:10 PM The general feeling of LCCC members is one of horror at a move to Wigan and East Manchester. Any redevelopment of Old Trafford should be as Lancashire's cricket ground. The original member's pavillion (whatever it is) is beaut.
It's an institution. Can anyone imagine the response if Lords was to be knocked down and relocated to the Lee valley in East London?
I'd be gutted if LCCC moved, admittedly out of pure sentimentality.
Accura4Matalan August 13th, 2005, 04:15 PM If LCCC are gonna move, then they should actually move to Lancashire.
skymann August 13th, 2005, 04:21 PM If LCCC are gonna move, then they should actually move to Lancashire.
Would seem to make more sense to moved LCCC up to Lancashire itself. Or maybe they should rename it the North West counties club for Cheshire, Lanashire, Gtr Manchester and Merseyside. Maybe people who don't feel in any way connected to Lancashire would go an support them. Cricket is so backward in that respect. In fact few of their grounds are even in the counties that they are supposed to represent.
Lancs is in Gtr Manchester
Wawrickshire is in the West Midlands
Gloucs is in Avon
Middlesex is in N London
Surrey in S London.
It would make more sense to relocate or rename the clubs - might even get a tiny bit as popular as footie then. Who knows?
Jongeman August 13th, 2005, 04:22 PM LOL. You know what, I can't argue with that (I daren't!). This has been discussed in another thread, but Manchester and Wigan are Lancastrian in every way apart from administratively. I was born in Ashton-u-Lyne, 'Tameside' and I'm a Lancastrian. So are people born there today.
oscar9 August 13th, 2005, 04:36 PM LOL. You know what, I can't argue with that (I daren't!). This has been discussed in another thread, but Manchester and Wigan are Lancastrian in every way apart from administratively. I was born in Ashton-u-Lyne, 'Tameside' and I'm a Lancastrian. So are people born there today.
Well I was born in Wigan and feel more a lancastrian than a greater mancunian lol. Although it is in GM its one of those places that could be part of any region really. All the Anglican and Catholic churches in Wigan are part of the diosese of liverpool...and as far as BT are concerned it part of the lancs and cumbria district!Getting back to beetham tower you can see the yellow dokas coming down the M6 spur into Wigan now.
Chorltonred August 13th, 2005, 09:10 PM To complicate things further, North of the Mersey = Lancashire, so Wythenshawe although in Manchester is actually Cheshire as it is South of the Mersey.
Most of Greater Manchester is firmly Lancastrian however, as is Liverpool.
Some civil servants pissing around in 1974 doesn't change that.
They should stay at Old Trafford and redevelop.
EarlyBird August 13th, 2005, 11:11 PM LOL. You know what, I can't argue with that (I daren't!). This has been discussed in another thread, but Manchester and Wigan are Lancastrian in every way apart from administratively. I was born in Ashton-u-Lyne, 'Tameside' and I'm a Lancastrian. So are people born there today.
Less and less Ashtonians would agree with you on this one my friend. A majority would now consider Ashton as a part of Manchester rather than as a part of Lancashire. Even the council do now.
Jongeman August 13th, 2005, 11:29 PM You're absolutely right. I see myself as a Lancastrian by birth (even though I then lived in Stalybridge, Cheshire from being 2 days old) and Mancunian by choice. It kind of works on several different levels.
Where did you get the figure of 2.3 million from? Using the system that Americans use to guage their cities, it's more like 3 million.
(Sorry this is totally off-topic everyone)
EarlyBird August 13th, 2005, 11:42 PM Where did you get the figure of 2.3 million from? Using the system that Americans use to guage their cities, it's more like 3 million.
Using the US measurement it's 3.2 million. This is the metro population though. Based on the actual area designated by ONS as the Manchester urban area there are 2.3 million people.
Jongeman August 13th, 2005, 11:44 PM Oh ok, I get you. Do you know what the ONS figure is for Birmingham by any chance?
Smileyface August 14th, 2005, 04:05 PM Fantastic shot of your Beetham just, when Stauss hit a six at Old Trafford.....it looks taller than HCT already
EarlyBird August 14th, 2005, 04:19 PM Oh ok, I get you. Do you know what the ONS figure is for Birmingham by any chance?
For 2004 it was around 5,000 less than Manchester. They're both at the 2.3 million mark, but Manchester is growing by about 5,000-10,000 a year more.
kebabmonster August 14th, 2005, 04:38 PM [QUOTE=EarlyBird]For 2004 it was around 5,000 less than Manchester.QUOTE]
It would fucking have to be, wouldn't it.
Beetham-how tall is he/she (dare we give it a gender??) to the top of the DOKA, excluding the blue pipe, now? It is looking really impressive from all across the conurbation, esp. down the M602 as you approach M'cr, just watching it get bigger and bigger the further you head toward the city centre. Saw rooms on the 34th floor being advertised a couple of months ago for 350,000ish.
caw123 August 14th, 2005, 04:40 PM Fantastic shot of your Beetham just, when Stauss hit a six at Old Trafford.....it looks taller than HCT already
Because it is taller than HCT, has been for weeks. ;)
ManchesterISwonderful August 14th, 2005, 05:14 PM The general feeling of LCCC members is one of horror at a move to Wigan and East Manchester. Any redevelopment of Old Trafford should be as Lancashire's cricket ground. The original member's pavillion (whatever it is) is beaut.
It's an institution. Can anyone imagine the response if Lords was to be knocked down and relocated to the Lee valley in East London?
I'd be gutted if LCCC moved, admittedly out of pure sentimentality.
I love Old Trafford. I can't explain it but there's something about the place. Perhaps it's the old pavilion that creates the ambiance, who knows? but the ground is steeped in tradition. Yes, it's ugly bar the pavilion, but it's one of my favourite sporting arenas. We'd be mad to knock it down. I hope they clean up the pavilion and build some sexy looking stands, and give the ground a make over it truely deserves. I wouldn't mind something on the same lines of the new stand at the Oval.
future.architect August 14th, 2005, 07:54 PM I took this picture yesterday from my mates balcony,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/golddigga19/hwb.jpg
Jongeman August 14th, 2005, 08:42 PM I love Old Trafford. I can't explain it but there's something about the place. Perhaps it's the old pavilion that creates the ambiance, who knows? but the ground is steeped in tradition. Yes, it's ugly bar the pavilion, but it's one of my favourite sporting arenas. We'd be mad to knock it down. I hope they clean up the pavilion and build some sexy looking stands, and give the ground a make over it truely deserves. I wouldn't mind something on the same lines of the new stand at the Oval.
My thoughts exactly. I went to the Twenty20 quarter final a couple of weeks back. Did you know that you can get into the ashes tomorrow for a tenner from 8.30? Thought I should impart this bit of info
Accura4Matalan August 14th, 2005, 08:49 PM I took this picture yesterday from my mates balcony,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/golddigga19/hwb.jpg
Is that Citygate on the right? Great photo btw :)
caw123 August 14th, 2005, 08:55 PM That is from Citygate. Golddigga tell your mate hes a lucky bastard.
jimbo August 14th, 2005, 08:57 PM anybody watching the cricket today would have seen a few sweeping panoramas of Manchester from the Betfair Blimp. Beetham looked huge, not sure of the distance between Old Trafford and Beetham, but it really loomed on the horizon.
ah, I see smileyface saw the same shot as me - Strauss's six! Hurrah.
future.architect August 14th, 2005, 09:34 PM That is from Citygate. Golddigga tell your mate hes a lucky bastard.
dont wory, i have told them.
the only problem is that the balcony directly faces citygate 3 and when it is finished you will probably be able to see into peoples flats
ManchesterISwonderful August 14th, 2005, 10:04 PM My thoughts exactly. I went to the Twenty20 quarter final a couple of weeks back. Did you know that you can get into the ashes tomorrow for a tenner from 8.30? Thought I should impart this bit of info
Really? I might go.
I've seen day night cricket at Old Trafford. Love the view from the second tier (the opposite side of the pavilion). I think the other stands are too shallow. Great leg room, but not the greatest views.
Smileyface August 14th, 2005, 10:21 PM anybody watching the cricket today would have seen a few sweeping panoramas of Manchester from the Betfair Blimp. Beetham looked huge, not sure of the distance between Old Trafford and Beetham, but it really loomed on the horizon.
ah, I see smileyface saw the same shot as me - Strauss's six! Hurrah.
Yeah it was a fantastic shot but not as fantastic as Beetham's looking at the moment, Goldigga tell your mate 'again' that he's a lucky bastard, I thought my balcony view was good but that beats it hands down
dgnr8 August 14th, 2005, 10:30 PM Aye, 15,000 go on sale at 8:30am at a tenner for adults and a fiver for the young 'uns. Cracking deal from LCC there. I missed most of the cricket as I've been at work since the OT test has been on so I'm gutted I've not seen owt. The aerials from the blimp though are lovely. When was the temporary seating put in on the car park?
And aye, although I want the move to Sports City so it really can be termed a Sports City, it would be preferable to stay at OT. My mam's cleaning company used to be contracted there and apparently the stadium is riddled with mould. She also said the score board is a lovely museum for all interesting types of funghi.
Anyway, something decent to do with OT. I can't imagine it costing much to do this, but surely extending the 2 tier stand to the 2 media centres would be plausible? Like a mini MCG redevelopment. Or even Trent Bridge style lovelies next to the pavilion. I don't know, I have no idea about LCC's finances or whatever with the whole stadium thing so I'm just talking out of my arse.
caw123 August 14th, 2005, 10:34 PM Might be an idea to make a Manc sports thread.
I'll try and get some shots of Beetham from OT tommorow if I get in. :banana:
9462 August 14th, 2005, 10:52 PM See beetham poking out a bit more now from the quays.(todays)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v459/ecrayon/100_3869.jpg
Went to the top of soverign point today and took some pics while someone else i new disreacted the saleswoman*
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v459/ecrayon/100_3872.jpg
beethem looks huge and can tell it is the tallest.
maybe pics l8r
caw123 August 14th, 2005, 10:54 PM Bullshit!
dgnr8 August 14th, 2005, 11:00 PM I hope you threw rocks at her for selling whatever soul she had to the devil. Corporate salesmen are horrifying but sweet Jesus of Nazerath, somebody who is paid to big up an out-and-out monstrosity?
future.architect August 14th, 2005, 11:20 PM Yeah it was a fantastic shot but not as fantastic as Beetham's looking at the moment, Goldigga tell your mate 'again' that he's a lucky bastard, I thought my balcony view was good but that beats it hands down
oh and one of the bedrooms has no windows and many of the light fittings are in odd places
9462 August 15th, 2005, 12:19 AM Bullshit!
And why exactly would i be lying? l
Bim August 15th, 2005, 05:19 PM Hi i'm new! I have been reading these posts for about a year and decided to join as i have a keen interest in all this skyscraper malarchy now. Don't no if anyone's realised that you can now see the cranes and tower from Heaton Moor coming towards town on Wellington Road North (I'm sure it was that road!). Saw it whelst coming back from Bakewell yesterday.
skit_uk August 15th, 2005, 05:48 PM Welcome Bim
It took you a whole year to join
future.architect August 15th, 2005, 07:00 PM i just realised you can see the cranes whist standing on the street in chorlton
Accura4Matalan August 15th, 2005, 08:04 PM Bim... bin :lol:
Welcome to the boards :)
caw123 August 15th, 2005, 08:46 PM i just realised you can see the cranes whist standing on the street in chorlton
Whereabouts?
You can see much of it from where Withington Road meets Mauldeth Road West which is Chorlton, a bit.
kids August 15th, 2005, 09:18 PM hey bim!
alot of newbies this month eh.
Jongeman August 15th, 2005, 10:24 PM As one of the newbies, I read someone's comment that it had gone rather quiet in Manc, so I thought I'd better get typing.
Hi Bim!
It's been commented on before that Beetham seems to be visible at the end of every arterial road going into town. Certainly true for Hyde Rd and I did wonder for a fleeting second if this was intentional (it can't be). I drive through Heaton Chapel sometimes (Well Rd N) so I'll keep my eyes peeled
caw123 August 15th, 2005, 10:28 PM It's clearly visible right down Chester Road, Princess Road, Cheetham Hill Road, Regents Road, Hyde Road, Ashton Old Road. Cos it's a bloody big bugger!
Oh, and welcome bim.
future.architect August 15th, 2005, 10:37 PM Whereabouts?
You can see much of it from where Withington Road meets Mauldeth Road West which is Chorlton, a bit.
claude road near the bus station, you can see the tops just pointing over the houses, i might take a picture....
and maybe even one from carillions office
9462 August 15th, 2005, 10:44 PM Beetham looks large from the top of SOVEREIGN POINT CAW.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v459/ecrayon/100_387300.jpg
Need anymore proof that i went there?
that better?
caw123 August 15th, 2005, 10:46 PM Yeah, a photo with you in it!
jrb August 15th, 2005, 10:53 PM Yep! Can't argue about that! :)
http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/ManTwrDnsgtRefl5802.jpg
More pictures!
http://www.aidan.co.uk/photos.php?&startrow=1&newendrow=20&id=1&subcat1=&totalrows=602
Accura4Matalan August 15th, 2005, 10:56 PM We've now had photos from both Imperial and Sovereign Point. The guy who did Imperial hosted his images on a Lesbian porn site! :lol:
caw123 August 15th, 2005, 10:59 PM Need anymore proof that i went there?
that better?
Apologies, I am of little faith!
Bloody tell me how you did it then! :)
9462 August 15th, 2005, 11:10 PM Bloody tell me how you did it then!
i was looking at a show apartment and i said i ws interested what the views where like. LUCKILY someone only just bought there apartment and where ready to move in, so she offered me a quick look and showed me around etc. While (when she went in to the other room, one of my family members followed)
I obviously sneaked out my camera while they where busy talking crap.
caw123 August 15th, 2005, 11:15 PM Ah. Good plan.
I thought you literally had a mate chat up the girl at reception while you waltzed into the lift.
I must try this, could get views from any apartment block with a single flat for sale! If only Beetham itself had some vacancies.........
9462 August 16th, 2005, 02:06 AM besides we were generally interested anyway.
andyains August 16th, 2005, 01:51 PM Just got back from my hols and my hasn't she grown! Thanks for the updates all. Need to catch up with CJC, Crown etc...
BTW: is anyone going to see the Pixies on the 30th?
andyains August 16th, 2005, 02:12 PM PS, caught the end of the cricket yesterday and there were some impressive views of Beetham from Old Trafford. Made a real impression on the TV
oscar9 August 17th, 2005, 05:52 PM Looks like that temporary canopy under the step out has been taken away and you can see the holes where the glass floor is going to be.Sorry no pics,need new digicam.
highriser August 18th, 2005, 04:12 PM Beetham update for today
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/mancpics18thaug007.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/mancpics18thaug009.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/mancpics18thaug008.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/mancpics18thaug001.jpg
pookey August 18th, 2005, 04:38 PM Great pics
I'm new, but have been watching for a long time, will be posting lots of pics soon of Beetham, as I'm getting back to my home town more often. :)
Hello and thanks to everyone who posts!
Accura4Matalan August 18th, 2005, 04:41 PM Fucking hell! Cant be long until she tops out now! Great pics highriser. It looks wierd now that all the mess around the middle has been taken away and you can properly see the section where the apartments begin.
andysimo123 August 18th, 2005, 04:43 PM On the Deansgate pic it looks massive.
Gavin August 18th, 2005, 05:05 PM how many floors has the highest doka got left to do? I reckon it cant be more than 2 now if the ones inside the doka are counted as finished
Xtremegamer August 18th, 2005, 06:50 PM More like 7.
caw123 August 18th, 2005, 09:35 PM It's upto 32 floor slab and 40 under DOKA. Not long to go at all.
photos from today
Spot the holes
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P8180017copy.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P8180021copy.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P8180044copy.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P8180019copy.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P8180036copy.jpg
highriser August 18th, 2005, 10:04 PM The 1st and 2nd pics Chris are fuckin awesome matey,cheers
Accura4Matalan August 18th, 2005, 10:07 PM Nice pics. Those holes are kinda dissappointing. I was hoping they would be bigger :(
caw123 August 18th, 2005, 10:21 PM So you prefer big holes Accy? :naughty: :laugh:
Heres a vertical pano that came out too bright and stitched like a chimp with parkinsons, but still, you get the idea:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/beethampanocopy.jpg
rolybling August 18th, 2005, 11:42 PM Great pics guys, on Highrisers last one we can now start to see or imagine at least how the cladding will look and what it will do for the over all look of the building, looks supreb..is it right that it was designed so it will give the illusion of the building being even taller, vertical strips or stripes would have that effect wouldn't they?
andyains August 18th, 2005, 11:52 PM You've been reading your Marie Claire, haven't you roly ;) Verical stripes are so...now!
Yeh, most likely that they would make it look taller and thinner. Although looking at some of the photos, the skinny wretch could probably do with a few horizontal stripes to beef it up
SleepyOne August 19th, 2005, 12:27 AM http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/mancpics18thaug009.jpg
The change from impossibly slim and elegant to wide and imposing as you walk around it is part of the fascination of this building from me. Its has so many different but subtle facets to it.
I won't consider it completed though until the office block has been completed. Beetham is effectively 3 components. The highrise tower, the lowrise hotel 'podium' and the midrise office block. Without the last element it won't really make as much sense. Has the office block even started yet?
caw123 August 19th, 2005, 12:39 AM No chance Sleepy, the office footprint is covered in a scaffolding structure which is storing the main tower cladding, which by the way seems to be going up very slowly recently.
rolybling August 19th, 2005, 01:01 PM You've been reading your Marie Claire, haven't you roly ;) Verical stripes are so...now!
Marie Claire? Isn't that for common office girls? :runaway:
No its Harpers & Queens here....lol
Bim August 19th, 2005, 07:41 PM The views towards town from Stockport Road in Hattersley and coming down the M67 in Hyde are spectacular by the way.
Beetham looks amazing stuck out on her own.
Broadens the skyline a lot i think.
I don't know why but i was disappointed with the cladding and the colour when it was first revealed...but i think that was just because you get your own pre-conception of how it's going to look.
I think it's smashing now though! (not literally i hope!)
EarlyBird August 20th, 2005, 04:24 PM Twas a lovely day so I decided to go visit our little friend...
Tall... :drool:
http://eb.cx/q2/2005-08-20/beetham-up.jpg
From GN Square
http://eb.cx/q2/2005-08-20/beetham-gn.jpg
The traditional view
http://eb.cx/q2/2005-08-20/beetham-road.jpg
All roads lead to Beetham?
http://eb.cx/q2/2005-08-20/beetham-bridge.jpg
Have the scallies got to her already? A window broken and taped up... :(
http://eb.cx/q2/2005-08-20/beetham-window.jpg
ferge August 20th, 2005, 05:04 PM Not just tall..shiny tall!!! Superb first pic, n yet she still rises :|
Accura4Matalan August 20th, 2005, 05:08 PM Nice pics eb, cheers for the update :)
vertigosufferer August 20th, 2005, 05:46 PM Yes, great pics EBird - I was down there too today, to check out this Beetham Tower, and it's a real neck breaker looking up at it from it's base. It's going to be mighty cool when it's finished. :)
andysimo123 August 20th, 2005, 06:06 PM This pic is making my neck hurt just looking at.
http://eb.cx/q2/2005-08-20/beetham-up.jpg
skit_uk August 20th, 2005, 09:05 PM Sexy Bitch
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/skit_uk/skyscraper/Picture004.jpg
Second support strut has gone in so a crane rise is iminent
mattlister August 20th, 2005, 10:16 PM I walked past it coming back from the Man Utd game and looking up at it always makes you think "wow"
It just gets better everytime I see it in person.
vertigosufferer August 20th, 2005, 10:57 PM You don't yet see it, when your decending on Manchester from the North. Example coming from Oldham, I visit Manchester via Oldham Road, and you have to walk through Picadilly, through St Peter's Sq and via GMEX and Great Northern before you see it, or you can walk all the way along Deansgate from Cathedral Gardens, and again dont' see it until you are vitually under it.
I think it's a great building however, and think it will be a great addition to the Manchester Skyline. It's still got some floors to add yet, too. ;)
Bim August 21st, 2005, 02:56 AM Beautiful pictures Earlybird.
Coming back from Pendle Hill yesterday...driving down the M66 around the Bury area you can see CIS, City tower and Beetham just popping over this hill.
I would of taken a picture but for obvious reasons i couldn't.
Looked quite strange actually...like three random bulidings in the middle of nowhere.
But they'll have friends soon anyway.
You notice from afar/higher ground how lowrise Manc appears to be apart from these three and sometimes Arndale sticking up amongst it all.
But with all the new mid-rise developments it should make the city centre appear more varied and denser i'm sure. :)
ferge August 21st, 2005, 07:22 PM Noticed Beetham about five minutes ago when coming back from Morecambe on motorway.. at one time it was a little hard findin those lil yellow blocks amongst the fields and hills in the distance... but now, she sticks out into the sky :D haha.. It looks like a colossal pillar in the city from that distance, also couldn't find City tower now its black, lol.. just completely lost amongst all the buildings, but beetham, she'll be seen for miles with her bright cladding and super-slender body.. hurrah! A skyscraper in Manchester
jrb August 21st, 2005, 10:12 PM Taken today!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture009.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture010.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture065.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture066.jpg
vertigosufferer August 21st, 2005, 10:42 PM wow! - It's a stonker alright!
Manchester has been blessed with some photo taking friendly weather this weekend, I think it's all downhill this week.... indeed on Wednesday I hope them workers at the top of that tower, keep their hard hats on, they could get blown away.. :uh:
oscar9 August 21st, 2005, 10:56 PM And still another 15 storeys to go...or thereabouts :cheers:
skymann August 21st, 2005, 10:58 PM [QUOTE=jrb]Taken today!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture010.jpg
The pics form Hulme Park are very footystudworthy. Wish I'd bought one of those houses around the park when they were going to £45,000!!!
What a fucking fantastic view of town (when 1 hardman Square gets built as well will look even fantasticker!!)
GAZ August 22nd, 2005, 11:58 AM WOW! everytime i check this thread it seems to grow massively.
can't wait to see the finished product
Gavin August 22nd, 2005, 05:23 PM glass windows going into the box section now. They are flush with the granite. looks smart already. Also, the atrium bit between box and tower is clad but its hard to see through the scaffolding.
Manc Guy August 22nd, 2005, 07:38 PM WOW! everytime i check this thread it seems to grow massively.
can't wait to see the finished product
To think we have a 60 storey mammoth a few months away from construction... :eek2:
highriser August 22nd, 2005, 08:50 PM Fantastic veiws from Hulme park :)
But looking at it from the Hac, is awesome
andysimo123 August 22nd, 2005, 09:47 PM The pic from Hulme will look mint in afew months when GN rises next to it. Am guessing the blue cranes are for GN.
dannyb August 23rd, 2005, 03:49 PM Dont know wether it has beeen commented on yet, but you can beetham pokin up to the left if sunley as you stand in picc gardens (near the whetherspoons).
think as the cladding gets higher, the building will look taller (with the vertical panes effect); just cant wait to see it finished now (or at least nearly fully clad)
Madman August 23rd, 2005, 05:03 PM To think we have a 60 storey mammoth a few months away from construction... :eek2:
I am new to the Manc sub-forum and was wondering what is the name of this 60 storey tower? Cheers
highriser August 23rd, 2005, 05:08 PM Its going to be called Eastgate,Inacity are the developers, there is a thread about it on the next page mate,,
Madman August 23rd, 2005, 05:13 PM Ah thanx! There seems to be so much highrise development going on in Manchester, putting London a bit to shame at the moment...:)
andysimo123 August 23rd, 2005, 06:01 PM Went to Liverpool today, on the way back I could see the yellow dokas poking up from about 30 miles out. The Liverpool Beetham doesnt look half as good as are one.
Metrolink August 23rd, 2005, 06:02 PM Is this 60 storey one definately going ahead? i.e. arer all contracts etc signed just waiting for a start date? Or is it still waiting for a hotel chain / office pre-let before starting?
pookey August 23rd, 2005, 10:28 PM I was in Hong Kong recently, and took this photo. Thought it was an interesting comparison.
As fantastic as Beetham will be (and I love it to bits), we shouldn't get too carried away.
The building on the left, Jardine House (was Connaught Centre) is 585 Ft; without the bit on top is about identical to Beetham.
It was built in the early 70's and I believe it was the tallest in HK at that time.
The building on the right is 2 IFC, and I was lucky enough to go up it. :)
I wonder if we'll ever have anything like it???? I'm sure HK never imagined it would.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/pookey1967/jardine2ifc.jpg
ferge August 23rd, 2005, 10:42 PM But thats the thing, do we need it?? Places like Hong Kong do, as theyre littered with beetham sized towers..
thing is, if you had a village and managed to build a 7 storey building, it would be no different in comparison to that above image.. its not about having a tower of such size in our cities, its just having a tower that has the same ratio to its surroundings (IMO) So I'm all in favour of being carried away with what we have as it does the same amount to Manc as that is doin to HK in retrospect..
oscar9 August 23rd, 2005, 10:59 PM Ferge is right, Beetham is the right height for Manchester at the moment ...tall enough to give it wow factor but that tall it makes everthing else look ridiculous. When Eastgate , Crown and 1 hardman are built then 900 footer or three would be nice.
vertigosufferer August 23rd, 2005, 11:11 PM Yes, it's about walking before you run, 200m High Risers are fine at the moment, and the design quality of them, are much more appealing than any similiar height structure built 10-20 years ago.
Evilwillywonka August 23rd, 2005, 11:21 PM You don't yet see it, when your decending on Manchester from the North. Example coming from Oldham, I visit Manchester via Oldham Road, and you have to walk through Picadilly, through St Peter's Sq and via GMEX and Great Northern before you see it, or you can walk all the way along Deansgate from Cathedral Gardens, and again dont' see it until you are vitually under it.
I think it's a great building however, and think it will be a great addition to the Manchester Skyline. It's still got some floors to add yet, too. ;)
Thats Strange, I see it every morning whilst driving to work down Oldham Road from Oldham.
pookey August 23rd, 2005, 11:29 PM A taller building is a bigger catalyst than a smaller one surely.
More inspirational, more influential.
As big as it is, deep down we all wish Beetham was a few hundred feet taller don't we?
I know Manchester doesn't need a real giant, but I think we'd all wet our pants if one was announced?
vertigosufferer August 23rd, 2005, 11:30 PM Thats Strange, I see it every morning whilst driving to work down Oldham Road from Oldham.
Actually your correct, I had to go to Manchester today, and instead of travelling straight into Picadilly on the bus, I got off a couple of stop earlier, and walked to were I had to go. I could clearly see Beetham Tower on the Horizon. I was thinking more, when you are in the City Centre (Piccadilly) you have to weave your way down to GMEX until you see it.
cnb August 23rd, 2005, 11:53 PM Few more pics from the yesterday
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b60/cnb17780/beetham1.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b60/cnb17780/IMAG0031.jpg
Either they've now added a 400 ft lampost like crane or i'm a crap photographer
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b60/cnb17780/beetham2.jpg
Looming over GN
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b60/cnb17780/IMAG0047.jpg
Manc Guy August 24th, 2005, 12:01 AM http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b60/cnb17780/beetham2.jpg
Wow look at that, What a view thats gonna be down deansgate....
The Boy David August 24th, 2005, 12:14 AM Fookin' Hell thats a biggun'
Cant wait to see it top out :)
Very Ominous. Very Imposing. Very Impressive. :cheers:
rolybling August 24th, 2005, 12:36 AM Hope the weather holds tomorrow, ive been scouting for some good places to take some pics of her...
Im convinced this building is gonna make such a huge impact right across the UK once its finished, there will be endless TV shows using it in scenes as a backdrop or even from the inside..watch this space I reckon.
Jongeman August 24th, 2005, 02:25 AM Rolybling....you're absolutely right. It's almost like Manchester's waiting with baited breath for this building to be finished. It's like the first symbol of the way the north is going to be from now on........
Hopefully booming
rolybling August 24th, 2005, 12:06 PM :ohno: yeah and its pissing it down today so no pics :ohno:
Accura4Matalan August 24th, 2005, 12:50 PM Im convinced this building is gonna make such a huge impact right across the UK once its finished, there will be endless TV shows using it in scenes as a backdrop or even from the inside..watch this space I reckon.
When they we're talking to Simon Cowell in Manchester on the X-Factor, he had Beetham as a backdrop, and its not even finished yet!
ferge August 24th, 2005, 01:21 PM This tower should NOT be left alone like CIS was for so long.. I really hope something is on the cards to give this some chums.. Whilst its a landmark tower to us construction hermits and symbolic of the day our skyline reached upwards its not a landmark in the physical as such (not slating it, y'all know I love it!!) just that it would work well as the biggie of a smaller cluster, we know we have GNT rising up to a modest height, and the rumours of Chester Tower and all that, so I hope it'll happen but give it a slightly smaller cousin and it'll be great
Jongeman August 24th, 2005, 01:40 PM IHS won't be too far away, and that looks like a dead cert to me. The icing on the Spinningfields cake, an all.
Not entirely sure what Chester Tower is. Not come across this one.
kids August 24th, 2005, 01:46 PM and then you've always got crowngate, river quarter tower, whitworth st tower, 2-4 chester rd.
rolybling August 24th, 2005, 06:23 PM I wouldn't worry about clusters, When Eastgate and Crown are up theres bound to be a lovely shot somewhere with the 3 of them in it...its gonna look good. Plus GN and 1HS...
9462 August 24th, 2005, 06:28 PM lets hope they build a fucking lovely bastard of a building at 1 hardman square.
dj August 24th, 2005, 08:46 PM Couple of pics to show how our favorite lady is growing, taken on the 16th of may and today the 24th august.
http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man007.jpg
http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man008.jpg
vertigosufferer August 24th, 2005, 09:43 PM Great comparison pic - and I'm very jealous you've got the metrolink going down your street. Pipe dreams are currently putting forward the theory that they may one day travel down Union Street in Oldham, but I won't hold my breath lol
The Boy David August 24th, 2005, 10:08 PM http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man008.jpg
Simply Awesome.
ForeverSalfordRed August 25th, 2005, 02:33 PM Couple of pics to show how our favorite lady is growing, taken on the 16th of may and today the 24th august.
http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man007.jpg
http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man008.jpg
Wonderful Weaste. Its an awesome tower, so huge looking.
caw123 August 27th, 2005, 10:47 AM Took these two yesterday from a fast moving Virgin
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P8260006copy.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P8260004copy.jpg
Jongeman August 27th, 2005, 11:29 AM Took these two yesterday from a fast moving Virgin
lol
I can never quite work out where we are height wise. It looks to me like the top of the DOKA is where the floor plates will end........very approximately
All very lovely, and the poor thing's going to miss the attention once they start on Eastgate.
wjfox August 27th, 2005, 01:05 PM Took these two yesterday from a fast moving Virgin
:lol:
caw123 August 27th, 2005, 01:11 PM Nah we aren't that far yet. In my shots they are laying down the 34th floor, the core is upto about 41/42 under the DOKA, a bit to go.
Xtremegamer August 27th, 2005, 01:28 PM "Took these two yesterday from a fast moving Virgin"
>_>
eddyk August 27th, 2005, 01:31 PM ^^
Ive already used that joke 3 times. :laugh:
'I rode a Virgin Yesterday'
caw123 August 27th, 2005, 01:53 PM Oh but she was a fine virgin, easy on the eye, came on time. Not much room inside though. Was a bit cramped when I got off. Bloody cheapskates, we aren't sardines.
Beetham is on this purpleish Salford uni webcam
http://webhost.salford.ac.uk/healthsitecam_archive/
caw123 August 27th, 2005, 01:56 PM Twas a lovely day so I decided to go visit our little friend...
Can't see any of your recently posted photos EB!
dj August 27th, 2005, 02:05 PM Weather was a bit crap for decent photography when I went through town on thursday, but did get these two close-ups of work on our fave lady
Pre-fab bathrooms give a clue to the room layout
http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man009.jpg
The start of another floor (number? chris?)
http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man010.jpg
dj August 27th, 2005, 02:13 PM Chris the links in your last post are causing the page to hang
caw123 August 27th, 2005, 02:54 PM I merely quoted Earlybird!
caw123 August 27th, 2005, 05:04 PM You don't yet see it, when your decending on Manchester from the North. Example coming from Oldham, I visit Manchester via Oldham Road, and you have to walk through Picadilly, through St Peter's Sq and via GMEX and Great Northern before you see it, or you can walk all the way along Deansgate from Cathedral Gardens, and again dont' see it until you are vitually under it.
You can!
It's very visible up north. When coming down Oldham Road you can easily see it next to Sunley as you go past that group of 6 tower blocks. Visible up Rochdale Road too. Plus it's easy to spot up other roads leading north like Cheetham Hill Road and Bury New Road. It's bloody massive remember!
You can actually see it from St Peters Square but not much because of the imposing Midland Hotel. You can also see it from just outside the cathedral.
pookey August 27th, 2005, 05:17 PM Weather was a bit crap for decent photography when I went through town on thursday, but did get these two close-ups of work on our fave lady
http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man010.jpg
What power zoom you using on that dj? Nice.
I'm hopefully going tomorrow to try my new lens out. :okay:
JDRS August 27th, 2005, 05:30 PM Oh but she was a fine virgin, easy on the eye, came on time. Not much room inside though. Was a bit cramped when I got off.
:rofl:
dj August 27th, 2005, 05:55 PM What power zoom you using on that dj? Nice.
I'm hopefully going tomorrow to try my new lens out. :okay:
The 35mm equivalent would be about 1600mm
Cheated though and used the digital zoom, sometimes despite what camera buffs say it does a half decent job, though i think on this occasion the rain and general gloom help disguise the effects a bit.
vertigosufferer August 27th, 2005, 06:36 PM You can!
It's very visible up north. When coming down Oldham Road you can easily see it next to Sunley as you go past that group of 6 tower blocks. Visible up Rochdale Road too. Plus it's easy to spot up other roads leading north like Cheetham Hill Road and Bury New Road. It's bloody massive remember!
You can actually see it from St Peters Square but not much because of the imposing Midland Hotel. You can also see it from just outside the cathedral.
Yes, I went down to Manchester on a double decker (and survived) and I could clearly see Beetham and it's Yellow doko on the skyline, it's getting bigger all the time.
Went to see the Gay Parade and was in Albert Sq. Despite the fun and frollicks of the parade, I kept glancing up at Beetham.
pookey August 28th, 2005, 01:32 PM Some pics of Beetham this morning.
Check the Closeup out, there are posters of people in there. What's that all about???
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/pookey1967/beetham-deansgate.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/pookey1967/beetham-closeup.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/pookey1967/doka.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/pookey1967/beethamangle.jpg
vertigosufferer August 28th, 2005, 02:17 PM Some pics of Beetham this morning.
Check the Closeup out, there are posters of people in there. What's that all about???
They are not pictures of the people who have already reserved the luxury apartments, are they?? lol
One of them looks like Simon Cowell :bowtie:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v403/dodgeredee/beetham-closeupposter.jpg
pookey August 28th, 2005, 02:21 PM They are not pictures of the people who have already reserved the luxury apartments, are they?? lol
Or maybe they're "WANTED POSTERS"?? :hahaha:
ferge August 28th, 2005, 03:07 PM Could it not be the pre-fab...designer? Otherwise 'Simon' has got a few apartments in there, lol..
How many floors are we now, heigh of car, number left til top out etc etc??? Just a BEAST building now..
gothicform August 28th, 2005, 03:17 PM i expect they are people who are banned from the site. most sites have those.
pookey August 28th, 2005, 04:05 PM Beetham is a red :)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/pookey1967/mufc.jpg
oscar9 August 28th, 2005, 04:22 PM Could it not be the pre-fab...designer? Otherwise 'Simon' has got a few apartments in there, lol..
How many floors are we now, heigh of car, number left til top out etc etc??? Just a BEAST building now..
Floor 34 has just been completed, so I say 47-34= 13 more floors to go. Its already looking like it cant support many more . :runaway:
caw123 August 28th, 2005, 04:32 PM 34 is the highest level of formwork, but it hasn't be completed yet oscar, they only finished putting the formwork up for that floor yesterday and it takes them like a week to build each floor.
And there will be either 50 or 49 total levels, at least 15 more.
oscar9 August 28th, 2005, 04:37 PM 34 is the highest level of formwork, but it hasn't be completed yet oscar, they only finished putting the formwork up for that floor yesterday and it takes them like a week to build each floor.
And there will be either 50 or 49 total levels, at least 15 more.
Jesus 15 more!Is it just me or is this tower having a bigger impact than we ever imagined.I love it.
ferge August 28th, 2005, 05:58 PM Jesus 15 more!Is it just me or is this tower having a bigger impact than we ever imagined.I love it.
Yup, and to think its also got the blade to go on top too, but then you can never truly picture what impact a tower will have.. its just amazing, seems to just grow and grow.. I've not been to Manc for a good few months now, but even then it was huge to stand near and look up, so now I can't imagine how imposing and superb it is. At the same time I cant imagine it being externally complete, its gonna be so kick ass.. then we have Albany and Eastgate to look forward to.. Gonna have some of the most swish boxes in Europe, lol :P
SleepyOne August 28th, 2005, 06:26 PM http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/pookey1967/beethamangle.jpg
My absolute favourite viewpoint. This is a great picture and really demonstrates the building's subtle qualities. Simple, elegant, refined and powerful. This is a muscular building and definitely masculine in its character.
Now image it when the office block is complete which I think has a diamond shaped floorplan and will extend to probably 2/3rds the height of where the cladding is now I would have thought.
Another favourite viewpoint which I dont think Ive really seen (although there have been similar ones) is standing on the opposite side of the road to London Scottish House next to the Midland Hotel with the Beetham looming large in the gap between GMEX and the Great Northern Warehouse. Would love to see that one if someone could capture it.
Sorry if this is going over old ground but does anyone know how far the DOKAs have got to go to top out?
caw123 August 28th, 2005, 06:30 PM From said angle a few weeks ago
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/380BeethamReachesNewHeightsInManchester_pic1.jpg
london-b August 28th, 2005, 06:38 PM I love this building, fuck it's good:cool:
SleepyOne August 28th, 2005, 06:41 PM From said angle a few weeks ago
true, I did think of that picture but its not quite what I was driving at.
Another favourite viewpoint which I dont think Ive really seen (although there have been similar ones) is standing on the opposite side of the road to London Scottish House next to the Midland Hotel with the Beetham looming large in the gap between GMEX and the Great Northern Warehouse. Would love to see that one if someone could capture it
The picture I have in my mind's eye would be taken standing on Mount Street and would capture a little piece of that mini garden / planting outside London Scottish House on the right, quite a bit of foreground, a good chunk of the arch of the GMEX on the left and the Beetham Tower in the background with the setting sun reflecting off the cores. Ive seen it myself and it was a stunning scene. Shame I didnt have a camera on me to capture it.
pookey August 28th, 2005, 06:44 PM Here you go guys, here's another from today.
Using some simple scaling, I reckon she is now about 450Ft-455Ft
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/pookey1967/beethamsideon.jpg
caw123 August 28th, 2005, 06:57 PM I figured her to be approx 465ft/142m to the top of the DOKA.
Why oh why has no cladding been added for a couple of weeks now.
Great photos mate.
pookey August 28th, 2005, 07:11 PM I figured her to be approx 465ft/142m to the top of the DOKA.
Why oh why has no cladding been added for a couple of weeks now.
Great photos mate.
Took over 60 photos in M/CR this morning CAW.
Best time to go is early Sunday Morning. Nice and quiet.
Having said that, when I took the photo of Beetham near the CityRoad Inn. (Fast becoming the place to take the THE photo), I had a weirdo drunk hanging around. :crazy2:
vertigosufferer August 28th, 2005, 08:00 PM Here you go guys, here's another from today.
Using some simple scaling, I reckon she is now about 450Ft-455Ft
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/pookey1967/beethamsideon.jpg
That's a real neck-breaker, great photo's ;)
Mikey August 28th, 2005, 08:18 PM Excellent pics! some of the most professional Ive seen of Beetham ;)
highriser August 29th, 2005, 06:39 PM Glass is now going in on the boxed bit of the hotel
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/28aug003.jpg
Ozzy August 29th, 2005, 07:08 PM Got to admit Beetham including the office bit is exiding all my expectations!
ferge August 29th, 2005, 08:23 PM I'm 90% sure i glimpsed Beetham just up the road from my house, was in the car coming back from doing some shopping and there was a gap amongst all the...green by the road (the view from up there is nice, with all winter hill etc) and I was doing my usual 'tryin to find manc amongst the miles of land' and I think I saw two tiny hazy yellow blocks near some grey dense area so I'm thinking it was beethams dokas.. will keep an eye out (no point tryin take photos with my camera mind).
rolybling August 29th, 2005, 10:20 PM thank god that glass is going in, it look 100% better already
Manc Guy August 30th, 2005, 12:41 AM http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/28aug003.jpg
Look at all the billboards...Wonder why ;)
highriser August 30th, 2005, 06:19 PM Couple of pics today
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/tuesday29aug006.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/tuesday29aug004.jpg
rolybling August 30th, 2005, 08:26 PM nice one Highriser, who reckons it will reach its full height by end of the year? Obviously its not finished til late next year but could be up to height by Christmas maybe
caw123 August 31st, 2005, 12:38 AM I reckon the cores and floorplates will each top out either side of christmas.
Also took a few today
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P8300007copy.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P8300005copy.jpg
From Claude Road in Chorlton, 3 miles out of town, thats some pair of eyes you've got Goldigga to spot that!
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P8300008copy.jpg
future.architect August 31st, 2005, 01:00 AM From Claude Road in Chorlton, 3 miles out of town, thats some pair of eyes you've got Goldigga to spot that!
it comes from living on claude road, if the weather is good tomorrow i think i might take the camera on a day trip round chorlton to go doka spoting
caw123 August 31st, 2005, 01:09 AM Bloody hell, you might've spotted me.
DOKA locations in Chorlton that I know include; Withington Road where it meets Mauldeth Road; Chorlton Park next to the kids play area in front of the bowling greens; Longford Park outside the athletics stadium; Turn Moss. Nice part of Manc, is Chorlton, mostly.
Jongeman August 31st, 2005, 01:54 AM Who'd like a bet on when Beetham tops out?
I reckon it'll reach its full height on the..........20th November.
But not the glass shard on top (whatever you call it!). That'll come later
The building industry closes down for a couple of weeks at Christmas (I think) and I reckon they'll leave the cranes in place until January.
This might be a load of bollocks, but I'm willing to hazard a guess :cheers:
vertigosufferer August 31st, 2005, 02:05 AM First week in December is my guess - but I could be totally wrong.
Nicely composed shot from Albert Sq, Caw123 ;)
Born in the North August 31st, 2005, 02:43 AM Hi guys just a bit of local info that i picked up from an extremely reliable source.
(1) Dandara the developers have moved to some fancy offices at the bottom of the Lowry Hotel.
(2) The Beetham will be two storeys higher due to Ian Simpson having the two top floors for himself.
Farsight August 31st, 2005, 10:10 AM Thanks for the pics caw, highriser, and anybody else.
This is what it's all about. Wow. Wankerooni!
Jongeman August 31st, 2005, 01:09 PM I think we're starting to get an idea of the architectural genius of it. It looks impossibly thin from the side, then with the fatter apartments on top of the Hilton, it's going to look spectacular. I hope the engineers did their sums right!
The part that fronts onto Deansgate is cool........very nice with the glass in
caw123 August 31st, 2005, 01:31 PM Hi guys just a bit of local info that i picked up from an extremely reliable source.
(1) Dandara the developers have moved to some fancy offices at the bottom of the Lowry Hotel.
(2) The Beetham will be two storeys higher due to Ian Simpson having the two top floors for himself.
The developers are Beetham, go figure. Yes, Dandara have moved to the Lowry because they are building Chapel Wharf next door, but they have nothing to do with the Beetham Tower.
No, the tower is going to be the same height as it was when the planning application was first submitted, 171m. Ian Simpson is having the top two floors to himself, but there is no height increase.
Extremely reliable source? Pissed up bum was it?
pookey August 31st, 2005, 05:14 PM The developers are Beetham, go figure. Yes, Dandara have moved to the Lowry because they are building Chapel Wharf next door, but they have nothing to do with the Beetham Tower.
No, the tower is going to be the same height as it was when the planning application was first submitted, 171m. Ian Simpson is having the top two floors to himself, but there is no height increase.
Extremely reliable source? Pissed up bum was it?
And was he near the CityRoad Inn by any chance??
:hahaha:
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