i been thinking of a crazy idea and this seems like very crazy i brought this up in the japan thread but it seems like its lost but since now its in the Railways thread and yes what this massive plan is a railway plan and yes its humangous and this idea i got inspried from the Eurostar

the Tunnels are going to be used by the AsiaHSR (Asia's version of Eurostar), Asiashuttle to carry cars, motocycles, buses, trucks,etc also people, Freight international, and Maintance by the company that owns the tunnels and the opreations excluding AsiaHSR which will be a different company also Freight Trains

what i am proposing a railway tunnel will several tunnels because there will be a island that will act as a trough route for the tunnels anyways i am imagaing an international railway that will connect Japan with the rest of Asia and Russia and that Japan will have friendship with them

the Terimnals outside the tunnels will be huge and they will include a freight terminal since japan has normal trains that runs on a different guage they have narrow guage then the shinkansen there will be an area where they will change the guages for frieght and passengers

there will be a shuttle trains for the passengers that have cars and motocycles including buses and trucks as well to board as well

the AsiaHSR will be The International High Speed Rail train not Maglev for this ambiouts project i got the idea from Eurostar and well its like Eurostar but will be like the 500 series of the shinkansen and some of them will be doubled decked and will run the same speeds as the shinkansen and will be the same guage as the shinkansen which is standard guage with overhead wire

the Stations all of them will be named International for example Tokyo International Station will be underground because of Space issues and such and will have a grand concourse like the Eurostar and it will have 10 platforms and well hmm how many tracks will it have

need to know where to put the depot and the opreating center of course they will have drivers its Technology from the japanese Shinkansen and from the French TGV technologies also the Technologies of the German ICE Trains as well

theres more to this but right now its getting late for me so i will be putting more so stay tuned

Not possible. A minor quake can easily crack the tunnel and repair alones and saving lives would be disastrous. Why built such an expensive tunnel when you can simply take an airplane or simply research a giant speed boat to ferry the people between the Asian continent and Japan?

Railways seems perfect and i forgot to mention that the tunnels will have protection against earthquake that they have in the san franscico BART tunnel that they have dampers that protect it from earthquakes so it will have them in the Asiatunnels

The russians have allready proposed a similar idea

Too expensive, IMO. The Eurotunnel is simpler and it isn't exactly viable in the business sense. I don't see how this will provide any sort of viable returns either.

but come on i mean its a great idea Japan will be linked with Asia i mean Japan is part of Asia at least it will have Asia pride plus like i said frieght service will run on the tunnels and complexes like the channel tunnel does

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anyways i am thinking for the AsiaHSR it will run by the north Shinkansen route

the Tokyo International Station will be below Tokyo Station and i am thinking it will be called Tokyo Regional Station just like how Straford regional station will be called when the phase two of the CTRL will open on Novemeber 14 2007

the Tokyo international section will be deep underground and will incleade a giant cathderal well cavaren like hall with artwork and paintings of Japan for the cultural of japan for forginers as well as for Japan's history and pride well a good representation of international travel by High Speed international Rail hoping on a train in one country and getting off in another amazing also the station will incleade scupltures and artifacts that were found during construction and will be on display on the main hall

the ticketing hall will be the largest in japan and the waiting room for the Arrivals as well since there will be Departures and arrivals but since this will be an international train station it will have secutiry of the JSDF, Japan custom and border patrol and the tokyo police force

platforms will be 8 platforms with platforms long enough for the trains and also wide enough also baggage vechiles will be on the platforms

the route will be on a tunnel till outside of serveral miles and then it will follow the tohoku and joetsu shinkansen mainly the joetsu shinkansen till it sepeartes and goes on its own tracks till it reaches the tunnel portal complex

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this appears crude as i drew another one later on but this my drawing of the tunnels a few months ago and well nobody really like this idea i wonder why its just like the Eurostar and the channel tunnel and all

I am sorry but I am confused. Where will your tunnel provide connection from Japan to??.

A connection from northern Japan to Shaklin Island, requires a tunnel to to mainline Russia. The was the Russian proposal and it was focus on freight which might be realistic if the flows were from resource rich Siberia to Japan but I doubt that manufactured goods from Japan to Europe would finance such a tunnel.

A connection from Japan to Korea would be at least 100 km with some very serious engineering problems.

What route are you proposing and what is the primary traffic which will pay for this route?

^^ I say a bridge is more viable than a tunnel but even then its still ridiculously difficult.

like i said the asiatunnels would be used for passengers and freight also the tunnels will be Dual guage meaning that it can support both Standard for the AsiaHSR and Shuttle and Narrow Guages with Frieght and the night trains including maintance

like i said before i got this idea from the channel tunnel and Eurostar and how it functions the same thing can happen to Asia just like the Channel tunnel did with Europe, Japan and the rest of Asia can be partners on a new allaince just like Europe did my goal with this plan is to link Japan with Asia and the rest of the world

passengers is the AsiaHSR: (which is the Asian Version of Eurostar but using a hybrid of Shinkansen and TGV technologies) Standard Guage, shaped like the JR 500 series and some of the trains will be double decked with elecitifed with overhead wire and will run on its own right of way but in some countries shared with other High Speed Railway example in Japan on the Tokyo international after that it will be in a tunnel and miles outside the city it will get to the eleveted section of the shinkansen and join it on a flying junction and will run on the Joetsu Shinkansen for a awhile till it departs on its own way for a few 10 miles before it heads to the complexies and then it heads to the portals of the tunnels

Destingations will be Japan the Hub of opreations (Tokyo International station) to China the second hub (bejing, shanghai, hong kong), Russia (volkstark where it will connect with the trans sibrean railway and the americanHSR which will connect to the states and canada including mexico), Taiwan (Taipei), South Korea (Soeul) maybe thailand (bangkok still thinking) and maybe Mayalsia i don't know yet its depot i still have to look where can the trains be stowed also the seating arrangents will be confortable and have Wifi internet connections that it works all the time even in tunnels food service is going to be on board and no smoking on trains sorry

Asiashuttle: that will transport cars, motocycles, buses, trucks and such to each of the tunnel portals and such like how the eurosuttle does and will have a huge terminal portal complexies for not only the shuttle standard guage also there will be rail yards within the complexies

Night Trains: aka romance trains as well since it can embark on other countries and all inculding a new night train called the Orient Asia Express will stop in several countries inculding China and japan and Russia and will use the tunnels complexies but will travel on regular lines not high speed rail lines there will be an area where the guages will be switched on board the train from narrow to standard and vice versa

Freight: freight trains will be using the tunnel complexies but they will not run on high speed rail lines they will run along regular lines in japan and asia in general same as the night trains there will be an area where the guages will be switched in order to run on the regular lines since it can't go on high speed rail lines from narrow to standard and vice versa

also there will be maintained and all the tunnels and the shuttle will be maintained by the Asiatunnels company and the AsiaHSR will use the tunnels and is not subjected to franchising as its another company like the shinkansen

i will explain the tunnels and how will they look like and how will they function

You know my doubts about the project from my comments in part 1, but I got another one.

I have doubts about the Asiashuttle, is there really a market for transporting cars between these countries? Currently there are lot's of regulations that make it difficult to put your Korean truck on a ferry to Japan. And I don't think Chinese registered vehicles are allowed to drive in Japan. This makes the current ferry market for trucks and automobiles between Japan and Korea small, most ferries are passengers only. In the case of the Eurotunnel, this was completely different. There was already a big trucking market between England and mainland Europe. So it was only logical that there would be shuttles through the tunnel. But these shuttles haven't replaced the ferries, they still operate with competing prices.
Coming back to the Asiashuttle, the market is to small and the prices will be to high to get any traffic. The trucks between Korea and Japan will still use the ferries because it's will be cheaper, and price is everything in trucking.

The Asiashuttle can never be economically feasible, just like the rest of the project, it's just too big and the market too small.

well nobody really like this idea i wonder why its just like the Eurostar and the channel tunnel and all

That's probably because two situations are completely different.

1. That strait is 34km long, while another is roughly 200km long. It may be technologically possible to have a tunnel for the latter, but the cost is prohibitive.
2. That country is next to dozens of democratic nations with roughly same ideals and economies, while another is next to not so very friendly nations, some of them not very democratic, some with very different economies, and one of them still shutting up its borders.

like i said before i got this idea from the channel tunnel and Eurostar and how it functions the same thing can happen to Asia just like the Channel tunnel did with Europe, Japan and the rest of Asia can be partners on a new allaince just like Europe did my goal with this plan is to link Japan with Asia and the rest of the world

You are getting it other way round. The tunnel did not make a friendship. A friendship (and, economical demand) made the tunnel. We still don't have that in the latter case, whether we like it or not.

You are like saying "Let's make a tunnel between US and Cuba, it will make them new allies". It may sound nice, but I somehow doubt its operability.

hmm i guess my idea is far too ambitous for anyones taste i think but if i can send it to the asian governments then yeah in the future it will receive serious attention like how the channel tunnel was built in a way

but this supermega project will be one of the largest in the world and will cost alot but the benefits it will bring will be one of the greatest and Japan will be linked to Asia and the rest of the world a permient connection since the Ice Ages

anyways the tunnels and complexies including the Asiashuttle will be owned by an asian company with many international staff workers that will maintain the tunnels and the entry also the borders there will be towns that the people can rest and work and such

the rail yards will be huge i mean really big that you can see from a hill and see for miles like the channel tunnel yards

My final question:

Does Japan really want to be connected with the mainland?

I am sorry, Songoten2554, but I am still confused. On your your sketch, you show a dotted line from the Joetsu line out to sea. This would appear to be the longest distance under water of any route between Japan and Korea, maybe 500 km.

Why did you choose this route rather than using the islands between Fuokoka and Busan which is less than 120 km? The alternative would be to build north to Shaklin Island and then on the the Russian mainline.

The other alternative if you are proposing an ultra long tunnel would the 750 km from the islands west of Nagasaki directly to Shanghai which would feed directly to the Chinese transcontinental route. That would be a heroic route! However it would a direct route to Central Asia and Europe.

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China linked to Japan with rail?
No thanks, it will just be easier for them to invade us.

but i told all of you that there will be massive security and border patrol that way passengers will feel safe while traveling

plus China will not invade japan i mean its not world war 2 anymore i am pretty sure that with this Asiatunnels project it will help them unite and also for ecomomics perpose because not only passengers but frieght well be used as well

each of the tunnels will be four across with the maintanince and polit tunnels as well

and well be like europe in a way there will be friendship and political and ecomical commernence between the Asian countries

The channel tunnel was first propose circa 1805. It opened in 1994. I would suggest that while one day Japan may be connected to the Asian mainland, that due to the current political and technical problems it is not a project that will happen overnight.

i know thats why i won't happen overnight it will take years in order to get it constructed but it won't happen overnight

i am saying if i email this or get a connection with someone in another country that to send it to the japanese and asian governments to keep it there until they decide to built but i agree with you it won't happen overnight it won't happen now but one day it will

An Asia tunnel will not be possible. I've said it again and I will say it for the next 50 years. First of all Japan is located at an earthquake prone region, a tunnel that deep and long is dangerous. Plates shift and tunnels can crack as easily as an egg and how will you save the thousands of people trapped underneath? The other reason is cost, it will be BILLIONS of dollars and how many years will it take to actually earn back the cost of construction? Look at Eurostar its nearly bankrupt, I doubt people would sit in such long rides to mainland Asia when they can fly which is much faster, and where is your connecting point? If its South Korea then only S.Koreans and Japanese would benefit from it because N. Korea practically seals ground contact between China and S.Korea. I don't see a market for Passengers nor do I see a market for freight. A single container ship can ship tons of times more goods than a train and also more affordable considering the cost involved with this HSR freight train. A tunnel between China and Taiwan sounds much more possible than from Mainland Asia to Japan, and even that would be difficult to accomplish.

so anybody agree or disagree with this i mean its a very well thought plan right or wrong?

so anybody agree or disagree with this i mean its a very well thought plan right or wrong?

Ambitious I would say, but won't happen. Time and cost is everything in the modern world.

So I would object to this project its a waste of money.

so anybody agree or disagree with this i mean its a very well thought plan right or wrong?

How can it be well thought out? You have yet to tell us were the tunnel leaves Japan and where it connects to asia?
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so anybody agree or disagree with this i mean its a very well thought plan right or wrong?

What does this question suppose to mean?? Is that really aquestion at least to me it seems like you're simply trying to force people to agree with your ABSOLUTELLY UNPRACTICAL idea!
E-mailing it to governments!?! yeah right... if only those silly people could imagine things you can... my oh my...

i don't want the shinkansen going south to the tokiado shinkansen because it will overcrowed very easily so i decided to put it up north to follow the Tohukru and the Joetsu Shinkansen and it will go to a portal from there it will sepearte from there and will go from there to the portal i am thinking of that i know most people here don't think its not a good idea

the japan tunnel portal will be on a new reclamied island with a humangous rail yard like i described before

remember this idea i got inspired by the channel tunnel and maybe this idea will work for Asia just like the channel tunnel did for europe

^^
That means that it will be bankrupt, even before the tunnel is finished, just like Eurotunnel fantastic financial results.

The project is just too big to make it possible, the risks are too high and there's no garanteed success. No private investers are ever going to invest in this project, there is no chance of any profit. It takes a lot of years to construct all the tunnels in the mean time you can't operate the whole system fully, you will find that the technology will changed by the time it's finished, you have to take a risk in not planning everything to go along with new inovations during the construction. That's makes it more expensive and uncertain for investors. And who's going to pay for the rising costs, Japan, Korea or China, I can only see conflict. Also there won't be a single insurance company in the world that's going to insure this thing, that means the finanancial risk for the goverments is just too big.

There also won't be any constructing companies that can build the tunnel in the route you propose. They simply can't do it, it's too big, they don't have the capacity and again no insurance. The risk of bankrupcy is too big when the costs spiral out of control during the decades of construction.

The final nail in the coffin: The Channel Tunnels are 150km/93mile (three tunnels) long and took 7 years to construct and the Seikan Tunnel (53km/33mile) between Honshu and Hokkaido took even 16 years. If you want to construct the 7 tunnels with your route, you have to dig more then 7,000 km/4,500 miles. You can only imagine that it would take more then 100 years to build with todays building techniques. They will even have to replace the TBM's because they will die before it's finished.

Unless you make it more workable like less and shorter tunnels, this only stays a fantasy project and even then it's highly unlikely.

hmm so i guess i am not getting winning votes on this man i mean i put up a fantastic project a dream to be peaceful its not only an important transportation link but an ecomoical and political promise of peace that i want to give it to the japanese and asian governments or someone connected to them but man all i get its turned down i even put up with the giant Rail Stations and the Fast Railways lines with frieght and such but no its get turned down

what i want to see is the shaking hands of for example the prime minister of Japan and the Prime Minister of China, the president of Taiwan, the prime minister of Russia bascially i want to see them and the royal familes of asia be at a cermiony of this great and massive project

there will be an Asia Alliance of a group of the Asian nations Russia is part of this that will support for projects such as this and the Alaskan Bejing Road and Rail bridge as well the Asia Alliance will be the largest in Asia and Asians will have pride and will be proud of their great transportation international Travel and well as a political and pride for the Asians i am not Asian but i think it will restore pride and power and such like how the Channel tunnel did for europe

i like the Channel Tunnel and its what inspired me to come up with this massive huge Rail project for Asia and if Europe can do it so can Asia the Channel Tunnel was built for the econmics and Political will and also the Transportation nessecity and so can Asia and Japan linked to the rest of Asia by Rail sounds exacting

Only Irie Saaya-chan can bring East Asia together!

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No need for big construction projects! :) :)

hmm so i guess i am not getting winning votes on this man i mean i put up a fantastic project a dream to be peaceful its not only an important transportation link but an ecomoical and political promise of peace that i want to give it to the japanese and asian governments or someone connected to them but man all i get its turned down i even put up with the giant Rail Stations and the Fast Railways lines with frieght and such but no its get turned down

what i want to see is the shaking hands of for example the prime minister of Japan and the Prime Minister of China, the president of Taiwan, the prime minister of Russia bascially i want to see them and the royal familes of asia be at a cermiony of this great and massive project

there will be an Asia Alliance of a group of the Asian nations Russia is part of this that will support for projects such as this and the Alaskan Bejing Road and Rail bridge as well the Asia Alliance will be the largest in Asia and Asians will have pride and will be proud of their great transportation international Travel and well as a political and pride for the Asians i am not Asian but i think it will restore pride and power and such like how the Channel tunnel did for europe

i like the Channel Tunnel and its what inspired me to come up with this massive huge Rail project for Asia and if Europe can do it so can Asia the Channel Tunnel was built for the econmics and Political will and also the Transportation nessecity and so can Asia and Japan linked to the rest of Asia by Rail sounds exacting

I'll be proposing a plan to eradicate poverty soon. I hope it doesn't get turned down because I've got good intentions. I even put a cure for AIDS in the plan!

No one doubts your intentions, mate. but like its been said time and time again, it isn't anywhere near practical.

i know that it will be expansive and that it will take many years i understand that i know it won't be easy but i am saying if i can devise a plan then it could work

but its up to the Asian Governments and their laws and plans if they can put this to work but i am not saying to build it right away i know it will take a long time and many revisions to make it work but i believe it can work it just will take time and to find the companies public and private to work with this

its just like the Channel Tunnel how it got started it was planned in the 1800's but it got serious attention after the world war 2 and then by the 1970's 1980's it was being built and completed in 1994

i am pretty sure it will be like that i am pretty sure it will be built but that it won't be easy i understand that so there is no reasons for saying it won't work it will it just will take time anyone agree to what i am saying?? or not???? be mature about this i am serious

also i am trying to support this is that

because Japan has the Shinkansen, Taiwan has the High speed Rail, China has High Speed Rail that is being produced, Russia is going to have High Speed Rail very soon actually they have been constructing i believe

so with all this i think it was possible as the AsiaHSR will run on its own tracks but shared with the high speed railways of the country it has

i got to go but go on i would like more opinins of this massive project i am proposing

i know that it will be expansive and that it will take many years i understand that i know it won't be easy but i am saying if i can devise a plan then it could work

but its up to the Asian Governments and their laws and plans if they can put this to work but i am not saying to build it right away i know it will take a long time and many revisions to make it work but i believe it can work it just will take time and to find the companies public and private to work with this

its just like the Channel Tunnel how it got started it was planned in the 1800's but it got serious attention after the world war 2 and then by the 1970's 1980's it was being built and completed in 1994

i am pretty sure it will be like that i am pretty sure it will be built but that it won't be easy i understand that so there is no reasons for saying it won't work it will it just will take time anyone agree to what i am saying?? or not???? be mature about this i am serious

first of all, the ability to plan it does not give it practicality. there is a difference between practicality and expensiveness, although there are also many overlaps.

if you're proposing something for 100 years in the future, don't claim to be "quite serious" about the project because you won't see it finished nor will you play any part in the design and construction of the project. no doubt many people have already thought about a tunnel between asia and japan, but most have had the good sense to abandon the idea. so you can't say you're idea is novel either. so let's leave it to our grandkids to invent some fantastic tunneling & construction technology. i'm sure they'll have a much better idea. or maybe they might conclusively say, "why bother"

can i suggest a career in science fiction?

so people are saying that it won't work i mean how did the channel tunnel work i thought Asia can do the same thing too they have high speed rail and all.

i don't have good planning all of you are right plus i don't make good planning because i am not a civil engineer and i suck at that i failed a test i had to take so thats why

i was hoping i could help out Asia to built a rail tunnel that will symbolies Asia like how the channel tunnel did for europe i mean i wanted to help out Asia to be you know to be more enviromentail friendly and to save the greenhouse gases that is destroying this planet

but now i realised that i can't anymore i don't know what to do anymore please anyone help me out i need help

hmm i need artists to design the international Stations and all of them will be unique each reflecting the country its in

Japan: Tokyo international station will incleade paintings and abstracts of japan's history and contribution to a world from japan's prespercpition

and this goes well with the other countries that will have this magnicfient service anyways i will discuss more on this later

go google cost benefit analysis.

ok but yeah i heard something that this idea is not new who came up with this idea before and what they did with it?

i have another idea for this big construction project

its also a way to link it with the rest of the world think about it

well anyways something has come up and well i thought about other international stations in japan there won't be alot just very little

for AsiaHSR there will be an international station almost near the japan portal but it will be still far from the complex this is for travelers that live nearby that don't have to go to tokyo international to hop on board but not alot of trains won't pass by there only a few will

also for tokyo international station not only paintings and abstracts will be there but artifacts found in the constuction will be there on display for the viewing public but will be in a glass enclosed pedastal this was an idea i got from the Athens Metro the way they have is artifacts and paintings on display its to make the station more user friendly in a way and to see histroic artifacts on display like a decoration

the workers for this massive project will consist of International workers from all conerers of the world for this construction

this construction for the tunnels project will require TBMs Tunnel Boring machines including the approach to tokyo international station

the tunnels for the Asiatunnels will be prefrabicated with a tunnel type i seen in the discovery channel called Floating tunnels but will have the weight capcity to carry the trains and such

i think build towards korea is similar distance as britain n france, bt need 2 make n.korea agree 2 da plan as wel, n north n south korea r consultin about trains go through both countries, so might be feasible, dis wil be different 2 eurostar, consider china wil be da biggest economy, dis wil link the future biggest econmy n second biggest economy japan, n between is also the worlds 9th biggest econmy korea, so dis wil bring alot economic benefit. this will cut the delivery freight time from japan to europe that is currently operatin by ships which is much longer route

so your saying by south korea is better in a way but i want it to link China and Taiwan and Russia as well

hmm you got a point here is a map if anybody can figure out a route then tell me about this ok?

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then where would be a feasble solution for the Japan Portal of the Asia Tunnels?

hmm then what shinkansen Route will it follow then i mean sure it with??

i know the tokidao shinkansen route is the most busiest so i can't make it overload?

so i need to look for another route

hmm then what shinkansen Route will it follow then i mean sure it with??

i know the tokidao shinkansen route is the most busiest so i can't make it overload?

so i need to look for another route

The Russians, 10 to 15 years ago propsed a northern route with a tunnel to Sakhalin island and bridge to the main land. The distance for these structures were reasonable but the climate is a problem.

i know but there needs to be another reasonable and feaisble solution to this and well i am still thinking of a new path

can anybody help me with the new path

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I can only see one access link being built WITHIN THIS CENTURY....and that would obviously be the Japan-Sakhalin-Russia link.

The link between Russia and Sakhalin will be handled by the Russian side obviously....while the Japan side would manage the link between Sakhalin and Hokkaido-Sapporo. Unfortunately, these areas are the coldest parts of Russia and Japan respectively and this would obviously make construction difficult. Thus, it is important to build during the hottest time of year (which is still even cold by today's standards).

But aside from those, construction would be easy because there are no geopolitical conflicts arising (Japan doesn't have a conflict with Russia and are in fact quite friendly). This is the only access link (rail and vehicular) that would be built within this century (before year 2100). :)

As for those other links (Korea-Japan and China-Taiwan), those won't happen within this century. Political rivalry and tensions have existed since decades ago and at the moment, these tensions are now at an all-time high so construction of these won't happen in our lifetime and definitely not within this century.

We and all of our children will be dead before those access links can be built.

Sad.....but the reality is harsh. Those two won't happen till the next century.

But aside from those, construction would be easy because there are no geopolitical conflicts arising (Japan doesn't have a conflict with Russia and are in fact quite friendly). This is the only access link (rail and vehicular) that would be built within this century (before year 2100).

yeah they dont..Japan claims 4 islands which Russia now controls, this rail link will go very well with that.
why should there be a link by the way? RUS Far East and Hokkaido are the regions with lowest population density in their respective countries.

技術的には可能ですし、リニアを通しても面白いかもしれません。しかし中国が民主主義になり分裂し、ロシアが北方領土を還しVladivostok（東方を征服と言う意味）の名前を変えないと日本は見とめません。世界地図を見てください。

I am possible technically and may be interesting through a rhynia. However, China becomes democratic and is divided and Japan watches it unless Russia gives back the northern territories and changes a name of Vladivostok (a meaning to call the east conquest) and cannot be rich.
Please watch a world map

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To japanese001

フリーの機械翻訳サイトは全く意味不明な文にしかならない（下手したら元と逆の意味になることもある）ので、仮に英語に自信がなかったとしてもご自分で英文を書いた方が機械翻訳よりは良いかと思います。 :)

I can only see one access link being built WITHIN THIS CENTURY....and that would obviously be the Japan-Sakhalin-Russia link.

The link between Russia and Sakhalin will be handled by the Russian side obviously....while the Japan side would manage the link between Sakhalin and Hokkaido-Sapporo. Unfortunately, these areas are the coldest parts of Russia and Japan respectively and this would obviously make construction difficult. Thus, it is important to build during the hottest time of year (which is still even cold by today's standards).

But aside from those, construction would be easy because there are no geopolitical conflicts arising (Japan doesn't have a conflict with Russia and are in fact quite friendly). This is the only access link (rail and vehicular) that would be built within this century (before year 2100). :)

As for those other links (Korea-Japan and China-Taiwan), those won't happen within this century. Political rivalry and tensions have existed since decades ago and at the moment, these tensions are now at an all-time high so construction of these won't happen in our lifetime and definitely not within this century.

We and all of our children will be dead before those access links can be built.

Sad.....but the reality is harsh. Those two won't happen till the next century.

well i think within 10 yrs time, china will be able to take back taiwan, by than china would have a arm force comparable to that of USA, so that the taiwan china route will be construct in our life time : )

but i still need to think of the route

i want it to follow the shinkansen so it would be cheaper but i don't know

i mean following the tokiado shinkansen would not be pratical because there is already too much traffic on the Tokiado Shinkansen

i need to find a shinkansen that it can follow without tokiado shinkansen

can anybody here help me with a route, remember the Tokyo International Station will be underground deep underground about 4 stories because the density that is around the Tokyo Station

well i think within 10 yrs time, china will be able to take back taiwan, by than china would have a arm force comparable to that of USA, so that the taiwan china route will be construct in our life time : )

You wish. Taiwan will be by then recognised as the legitimate state and back in the UN. Who wants to deal with a communist country? I'd certainly Taiwan over China anyday.

but Kuril and Sakhalin islands was part of Japan and should be given back to Japan from Russia because Russians grabbed them in closing days of WWII

if they was under Japanese rule atleast today they would have been prosperous and well developed like the rest of modern Japan

Sakhalin island was originally part of China, Russia took it after Treaty of Aigun and Japan took it from Russia after winning Russo Japanese wars.
Kuril was probably part of Japan though. But even Hokkidao only became part of Japan during late 19th century. The original inhabitants on those islands are neither Russian or Japanese.

But even Hokkidao only became part of Japan during late 19th century. The original inhabitants on those islands are neither Russian or Japanese.

ok thanks for that, so who are the original inhabitants of Hokkidao?

Ainu people.

Ainu people.

?? who are they chinese?

I let Russia lets Ainu emigrate to Hokkaido and occupies Sakhalin, and a Russian live. Of course Japan does not develop because I do not help you.

i think build towards korea is similar distance as britain n france, bt need 2 make n.korea agree 2 da plan as wel, n north n south korea r consultin about trains go through both countries, so might be feasible, dis wil be different 2 eurostar, consider china wil be da biggest economy, dis wil link the future biggest econmy n second biggest economy japan, n between is also the worlds 9th biggest econmy korea, so dis wil bring alot economic benefit. this will cut the delivery freight time from japan to europe that is currently operatin by ships which is much longer route

OMG. . . how lazy can you get by not typing out complete words. . ARGH! Reading your post makes my brain go haywired. :nuts:

You wish. Taiwan will be by then recognised as the legitimate state and back in the UN. Who wants to deal with a communist country? I'd certainly Taiwan over China anyday.


Where have you been lately? Everybody deals with China these days whether it is communist or not. The future will be no different because the Chinese market and economy is now too large to ignore. Seriously even if China becomes democratic you think they would give up Taiwan? I don't think so at least I wouldn't. Lets try to stay on topic and avoid politics shall we?

@Songoten2554


The only route feasible is from Kyushu to South Korea. As for the northern route to Russia NOT POSSIBLE! There is barely anyone living in those regions why construct such an expensive tunnel or link on top of no mans land? If I were to go to China or Korea would I want to take that train all the way to northern Japan then to Russia then back down? Hell no. I rather take the plane.

I let Russia lets Ainu emigrate to Hokkaido and occupies Sakhalin, and a Russian live. Of course Japan does not develop because I do not help you.

what you are talking about? Ainu were the natives of Hokkaido, Japan invaded and colonized the island.

so kyushu to south korea, china and russia would be it it can work?

umm so what can the International stations will look like if anybody wants to provide any ideas you people can

but still i need to make Tokyo the International Hub of japan and well hmm can anybody draw it?? the stations and trains and that

What about the AsiaCopter?

nope it has to be Rail and Rail is the most efficent way

remember this idea i got inspired by the Channel Tunnel, Eurostar, Euroshuttle, etc but thats the idea i got it from

i think Asia it can happen but something bothers me

why do all of you say that Asia is not in good terms i thought it was like Europe but i was wrong i guess

nope it has to be Rail and Rail is the most efficent way

remember this idea i got inspired by the Channel Tunnel, Eurostar, Euroshuttle, etc but thats the idea i got it from

i think Asia it can happen but something bothers me

why do all of you say that Asia is not in good terms i thought it was like Europe but i was wrong i guess


How is Asia in good terms? Korea and China doesn't trust Japan. Japan is wary of China's growing influence and military build up. North Korea hates Japan to the core. Russia also doesn't want to see Japan rearm and thus dosent really have a good relationship with Japan.

A manager of this site should prohibit a contribution of a person talking about politics. :bash: I send an email to a manager.

Japan is not made in an Asian country. It is member of U.S.A. and West Europea.:) :)
By investigation of British BBC, Russian 60% have a good impression toward a Japanese. Therefore it is agreement that Japan and Russia are bound together by rail. :) :)
However, it objects to be connected to Korea and China by rail.:ohno: Because the reason is a large number of undocumented worker and low wage workers enter. Furthermore, a South korean and Chinese　crimes in Japan will increase remarkably, too. :ohno:

Please talk about a railroad. :) :) :)

Well this thread will turn into politics due to its nature. What on earth are you saying? Japan not an Asian country? Plz. You believe everything the BBC says? Americans believed the US intelligence was right about WMD and look what happened? Who is objecting who in connecting with Korea or China? This isnt even a real proposal how can anyone object to anything when its a fantasy.
Furthermore, a South korean and Chinese　crimes in Japan will increase remarkably, too

So you believe a railroad connecting Korea and China will create higher crime rates in Japan? Lol silly. Just tell me how is that possible? Just because the Chinese are poorer and they will automatically commit to crimes in Japan? I find your comment to be very offensive and ignorant at best, a pure racist.

p-s-30@za2 everyone knows Japan is great country and make best technology and are now peaceful people who dont make trouble, but your past is past you did bad things to europeans, ameircans and asians which we wont forget

todays japanese people are nice, but your goverments polices towards China, South Korea and rest of Asia sucks, by the way if you continue this bad behavoiur China will beat you up because they are now superpower, but i hope you dont fight again. :)

PS: that poll is based EU and US you never ask Asian opinions so means its not fair and equal its lying, if you ask whole world the answer will definatly be different

p-s-30@za2 why don't you go back to talking about trains and tunnel like you insisted? didn't you get banned once already for going off topic do you want to get banned again?

In Russia, there is a plan to build a 300km/h rapid transit railway between Moscow and St Petersburg. It is said that now, it is running at 250km/h. Only Germany must have participated at the beginning. However, it is said that Japan also participates and is built.


Please cite a source for the assertion that the Japanese are participating in the Moscow and St Petersburg high speed railways.

I monitor all the European technical and business publications and I have never heard a hint of Japanese particiaption in this railway!

i already have a mind of the Chinese international Stations

Bejing international, Hong Kong International, Shanghai international

there will be stations as well between it as well

note remeber this idea i got inspired by the Channel tunnel and Eurostar

but i am still wondering about the exact route i wonder where will it go what route? can anybody help me draw out a route? or think of one

It is only chunk and South Korea and North Korea that dislike Japan on the earth.

Not racist eh? Exactly what is chunk?

By an interview with Kyodo News Enterprise when Governor of Nijiegorodo of Russia visited Japan, the original is Japanese. I summarized it.
http://www.nikkansports.com/general/f-gn-tp0-20070411-183078.html

Governor Shiyantsuehu of the State of Nijiegorodo of Russia showed the design which builds the rapid transit railway which connects about 400km between Nijininobugorodo to Moscow. And when introduction of Shinkansen technology of Japan was considered, it clarified.
The governor could be superior to France in Japanese Sinkansen technology and stated that efficiency was good.
It is said that the president of a Russian railroad agrees to a plan.
The governor discussed it again with Former Prime Minister Yoshiro Mori and the ministry to be related to.
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By an order of a rapid transit railway between Moscow and St. petersburg(250km/h), the Japanese Sinkansen was defeated by German Siemens last year. It seems to be another plan. I think that it is lip service that is superior to France. Probably They let Japan compete with Germany and will be going to draw an advantageous condition. Rapid transit railway of 250km/h seems to be under construction by Siemens. It does not seem to yet run.

I assume that Nijininobugorodo is the city usually referred to in English as Niznij Novgorod which is not part of the Moscow to St. Petersburg route.

Siemens won the first contract for up to 60 ICE-3 (Velaro Russia) trainsets but they are not building the Moscow to St. Petersburg high speed railway. This has been under construction off and on since the mid 1990's with some sections actually in use to bypass bottlenecks on the traditional line. The purchase of 60 ICE-3 trainsets would be sufficient to service the inital requirments for the four proposed HSLs around Moscow (north west to St Pertersburg, north towards Murmansk, east to Niznij Novgorod and south towards Rostock).

The problem in Russia is finance for all these routes. I suspect the state Governor is trying to pursuade Kawasaki and the Japanese banks to help fund the eastern route so that it will be constructed fairly soon. Holding out the carrot of buying more trains from Kawasaki and fewer from Siemens could be a powerful argument for Japanese finance.

This game is being played all over the world with railway finances. Already China is financing several national railroads in Africa and South America. Whose high speed trains do you expect these railroads are going to buy?

The problem in Russia is finance for all these routes. I suspect the state Governor is trying to pursuade Kawasaki and the Japanese banks to help fund the eastern route so that it will be constructed fairly soon. Holding out the carrot of buying more trains from Kawasaki and fewer from Siemens could be a powerful argument for Japanese finance.

This game is being played all over the world with railway finances. Already China is financing several national railroads in Africa and South America. Whose high speed trains do you expect these railroads are going to buy?

I doubt Japan will take the bait after the natural gas pipeline Sakhalin1 and 2 fiasco where the Russian govenment blackmailed the Japan-RDS consortium to swindle most of the ownership after 85% of the construction is finished.
That was a very high priced lesson for Japan and I don't think the Japanese trade houses will fall for it again.

I doubt Japan will take the bait after the natural gas pipeline Sakhalin1 and 2 fiasco where the Russian govenment blackmailed the Japan-RDS consortium to swindle most of the ownership after 85% of the construction is finished.
That was a very high priced lesson for Japan and I don't think the Japanese trade houses will fall for it again.

Interesting.
Maybe the Governor was just posturing for attention in Russia

hello anybody else would like an opinion about this

i been cooking up an idea of the AsiaHSR railway Yard and Depot there will be a washing area as well for the trains

i think the AsiaHSR Depot can be located outside of the city of tokyo but within greater tokyo in a way

this can be Asia's Awnser to Europe's Channel Tunnel and Channel Tunnel Rail Link and Eurostar

i mean Asia has a magincfent Railway systems including Japan and its time to make a great profit and not only that a great alternative to congested Airports and Ferrys and a faster and more relaxing way to get from one country to another

but why doesn't japan wants to be linked to Mainland Asia i mean its a part of Asia its deserve to be linked

^^
History my friend.

It all dates back to the Sakoku that was in force between 1641 and 1853. No foreigners or Japanese could enter or the leave the country in that period. Only limited trade was permitted with The Chinese, The Koreans and the Dutch and only in designated ports. This was done to limit the colonial and religious influence of Spain and Portugal, that was perceived as posing thread.

Although it's been more then 150 years ago, it's still part of Japanese identity.

Sakoku is not a bad thing. Because, original wonderful culture was formed.
Japan is the island country, therefore the peaceful time continued for several thousands of years. In Sweden, the peace for 200 years has continued since Napoleonic Wars, it became the richest country in the world.
Sweden did not limit its trade or isolate itself from foreign culture. The comparison is not valid.

Chunk and south Korean have strong hatred for Japan.
It objects that such people enter Japan!

Japan should protect tradition of a splendid island nation.

Do you know the word of shame?! I can't believe you are not BANNED yet considering all the spamming you did in other threads and the racist ranting we saw in almost every post related to China and Korea that you made. :ohno:

ningxiard:
Nope this idiot shouldn’t be banned! Let him talk! There is one very good saying in Russian, and Finnish ”ones mouth is one's worst enemy”. Let him talk, let him show his true colors and this side of "splendid island nation" to the entire world to see!
What we need is more such Japanese participants so that NOBODY would doubt the WWII atrocities this “splendid nation” had committed and the fact that it hasn't changed deep done! that beneath thin veneer of "civilization" beats heart of stone age barbarian
If anybody than sensible Japanese members should demand him being banned as the only result of his rhetoric is a shame on all Japanese.

so nobody wants to help me design the stations, the train cars, depot, Railway line, Map etc that

and nobody here seems to talk about the stations style and design the train cars and all that please people i need help with this

Do you mean help you? Or do it for you?
If first then you should really shouw what you have done on your own, if second I could be pretty sure (no disrespect, man, just realism) that the answer will be NO...

bump and i am bringing back this thread i want to make it clear that i know this will be a huge engineering project but i want people to understand what i want to do with this

well i still need to examine a route because the Sanyo shinkansen is a good route it can go on but problem is the traffic anyways it still needs to be examined even more

Only Irie Saaya-chan can bring East Asia together!

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/momo1435/saaya_sample04.jpg

No need for big construction projects! :) :)

no doubt.........

LOL this is all pie in the sky stuff and clearly you're romancing the idea. You might as well build a bridge between Japan and Australia, it's just as realistic.

There is no detail, no real thought and most of what you talk about is fluffy nice Nozomi 500 cars running bewteen Asian continent because you think it will make Japan and Asia look stronger. Your drawings are nothing on substance, rather a realistic proposal would be looking at maps, oceanographic research, possible connection points and the biggest issue ... economic viability.

I am sure Japan, Korea, China and Russia have all considered ideas regarding rail connections, obviously they have all deemed it unworkable. I am also sure they had professionals and engineers with knowledge in the required fields debate and analyse necessary data. A few preschooler hand drawings, some lofty ideas of a rail super system and 'cavernous' stations are hardly going to start a revolution. Making Japan a rail hub is crazy too, beacuse it's at the end point of any system, making a connection to Canada and Alaska is as realstic as a train line to the International Space Station.

Japan doesn't need to be 'part of asia' it already is, they have arguably the most advanced technology and currently they have the most advanced rail network of any country in the world. They still rely heavily on 747s to transport through their local cities so why on earth would you think a train connection to the mainland would work? You are dreaming.

what do you mean i mean this will be a super massive Rail construction project

yes because like i said this big idea i got inspired by the Eurostar and the Channel tunnel and i hope it will work the same with the asia like the channel tunnel worked with Europe i analyzed the channel tunnel and eurostar, euroshuttle i been inspired this idea by not only the Channel Tunnel and eurostar

but by the Channel Tunnel Rail Link or High Speed 1 its also an inspiration by this humangous engineering project

then i came up with this idea i been thinking about this project since the 11th grade in high school

plus it will set a great example to make the world linked by road and rail like global superhighway and SuperRailway trunk line

i mean the rail vechiles will be a fusion of JR shinkansen 500 Series and Eurostar Class 373 rail vechiles

the inteior will also have LED displays and pressuresed cabins when going thru the long Asiatunnels

and i would like to call these new rail vechiles class 550 series a fusion of both worlds

Eurostar and Shinkansen the chemsity works right there

many people have probably dreamed of this project Japan should be connected it will bring alot of commerance and passengers in a very efficent way and environmental friendly way

Songoten2554
I am still waiting for you to identify the proposed location of the tunnel. So far you have never stated specifically where the tunnel will be entered and exited. Once we know how the long the tunnel will be, then we can discuss the system design issues.

remember the Tokyo International Station will be underground deep underground about 4 stories because the density that is around the Tokyo Station

:hilarious Wow man, that's deep (pun intended).

I mean, 4 stories underground?!:applause: Marvellous.

It will be revolutionary!:banana2:

Do you have any idea what exists below Tokyo Station area in existing railway services? The Yokusuka/Sobu tracks of Tokyo Station, are deeper than the Keiyou Line, and the Keiyou Line is about 4 stories already. Let's look at the complete list of underground traffic in the area, and also remember that these lines cross over each other, each consecutive perpendicular crossing becoming deeper than its predecessor. Other stations are located extremely close to Tokyo Station but go by a different name (they are a couple hundred metres away, maybe 300m or so, very close), these station names are in brackets.

You have to go underneat:
The JR Yokusuka/Sobu Line
The JR Keiyou Line
The Metro Marunouchi Line
The Metro Hanzoumon Line (Ootemachi Sta.)
The Metro Touzai Line (Ootemachi Sta.)
The Metro Chiyoda Line (Ootemachi)
The Toei Mita Line (Ootemachi)
The Metro Ginza Line (Kyoubashi)
The Toei Asakusa Line (Takarachou)
The Metro Yuurakuchou Line (Yuurakuchou)

This does not include existing underground services such as sewers, I'm not sure exactly where those would be in relation to the mess of subways that run through the Chuo-Chiyada ward border area that Tokyo Station happens to sit on. The area is also right beside the Imperial Palace which you cannot go under (all subways have been force to go around this massive property, considered to be potentially the world's most expensive piece of real estate, and all future underground rail would have to do the same).

Your station would probably have to be at least 10 storeys deep... more if you want to do that cavern stuff.

We're entering an age where subways are no longer viable in some cities because the costs of land and tunneling have gotten so high.

This so-called project is nothing short of utter absurdity.

The only way anything of this scale could possibly be considered, which is not yet technologically possible (but they're working on it somewhere, possibly at Japan's RTRI) would be
1) Probably a vaccuum maglev technology
2) Reache speeds faster than aircraft
3) Above ground as much as possible
4) Avoid bodies of water as much as possible
5) Avoid being like an airline instead of a trainline as much as possible
6) Fully segregated and not share track with other separately operated networks
7) Non-disruptive to the societies serviced
8) Be economically viable and marketable (and responsible)
9) Be politically palettable
10) Be adaptable and versatile, offering various services in various markets and locations while being capable of keeping up with changes in the world and technology (as appropriate).

You don't meet any of these.

Anybody that laughs at you is right to do so.

Besides, it's terribly difficult to have underground stations right below Tokyo Station. The current Tokyo Station (overground) is more or less floating above groundwater (http://fleshwords.at.infoseek.co.jp/dt/dt059.htm), and the water height has risen over years.
We could still make new underground "Tokyo Station" near the overground station, just like Yokosuka/Sobu, Keiyo, or Marunouchi lines did, but even the space for that is fairly limited. Making a huge new station, like something with 10 platforms, now that's completely impossible.

To Songoten2554

I know, and wholeheartedly agree, that 500 series Shinkansen looks handsome. But it has terribly few to do with the tunnel, not to mention the fact JR Central already got rid of 500s from Tokaido, thinking its design is outdated.
As Trainman Dave suggests, you can perhaps begin from telling us where exactly your planned tunnels will connect. By the word "where", I don't mean super-vague statements like "between Japan and Korea".

Even if you can show us a detailed plan, the viability of any routes are terribly low on the current situation. Still, when you don't show any technical details (of the tunnel, not trains nor stations), the viability is not "low", but zero.

(Correction: JR Central did not replace 500s yet. It is estimated they will within 2009.)

^^ I am sad to hear the 500s are to be phased off the Tokaido. Will they remain on the San'you? The 500s are, after all, JR West's model, not JR Tokai's/Central's.

Will they remain on the San'you?

Most likely, it will.
What we know for sure is that JR Central and JR West are going to use N700 series for all the Tokaido-Sanyo direct Nozomi service within 2009. As of now, all the 500 series trains are used for the same service, so they will be used for something else. Since 500s belong to JR West, it's almost certain that 500s will not be used in JR-Central-owned Tokaido at the time, but will still remain in Sanyo.
Some speculate they will disappear from Tokaido as early as this year, but as of now, that still remains to be a rumour.

hmm your right how about the Tokyo International station near the regular Tokyo station but linked to Tokyo station

hmm but still its something i need to rethink of all this i will come up with something so umm just stay tuned ok

Most likely, it will.
What we know for sure is that JR Central and JR West are going to use N700 series for all the Tokaido-Sanyo direct Nozomi service within 2009. As of now, all the 500 series trains are used for the same service, so they will be used for something else. Since 500s belong to JR West, it's almost certain that 500s will not be used in JR-Central-owned Tokaido at the time, but will still remain in Sanyo.
Some speculate they will disappear from Tokaido as early as this year, but as of now, that still remains to be a rumour.

The 500s at Tokyo Station is kinda like a Toubu Express model in Nagatsuta... or a Keikyuu model at Narita.

Still... as far as aesthetics go... the N700 isn't near as sexy as the 500 :master:

ok for the Tokyo international station then would be half the platforms i purposed and it will be 5 platforms instead of 10 to make it fit along the tokiado railway but it will be underground the caravern design will be lesser then what i called for but it will be more of a medium sized design similar to NYC Penn Station but more beautiful and impressive but will connect it to the Tokyo Station complex by passenger tunnels with escaltors

there will be two thru tracks for frieght and maintance thru the station to relieve Tokyo station also as a layout tracks for AsiaHSR trains there as well but the Tokyo International station will be served only by the AsiaHSR Trains

ok now for the tunnel portals i know all of you have been waiting for this since i am not an expert in this but i would say this

the two japan portals well the first japan portal will be located at the far northwest corner at Kyunshu i think thats where it will be located at, i think it will be better right there since it will connect to South Korea and for taiwan and china the second japan portal will be located southwest of Kyunshu but problem is that hmm but i think well still got to think of this

also it will connect Vladivostok russia to connect it to the trans surbien railway and the North american international train that connect Canada, the states and mexico

the two japan portals well the first japan portal will be located at the far northwest corner at Kyunshu i think thats where it will be located at, i think it will be better right there since it will connect to South Korea and for taiwan and china the second japan portal will be located southwest of Kyunshu but problem is that hmm but i think well still got to think of this

I appologise for my ignorance but I cannot find "Kyunshu" on any modern maps. You are trying to communicate on an english language thread so it would help us all if you could use the recognised english language versions of the Japanese locations. I recommend:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefectures_of_Japan

If you were to use the towns listed here, we could all understand what you are trying to say.

Have you actually looked closely at a map of Japan, Korea and China. When you do, measure the lenghts of tunnels required.

My estimates are:
Nagasaki to Taiwan about 1000 km
Fukuoka to Korea about 250+ km
Hokkaido to Shalklin Island about 75+ km and another 300+ km of surface railway to connect to the Mainland.

These will require under water tunneling technology which far exceede anything in use to day

also it will connect Vladivostok russia to connect it to the trans surbien railway and the North american international train that connect Canada, the states and mexico

It is more likely to connect to the trans siberian express on the Amur river 300 to 400 km north of Vladivostok

There is more hope of a Japan to Russia connection than any Siberia to Alaska connection which is so far fetched that we will have a world government long before that plan is funded.

another idea why i got this proposal for this project is because i seen that

Taiwan has high speed rail and that it runs like the shinkansen so it can connect to taiwan now for that reason

China has high speed rail now on standard guage and well it has some tracks that have the Shinkansen and ICE style tracks and trains

South Korea has the KTX which is like a TGV and well it runs on standard guage i think but it has high speed rail

Russia in the future it will be connected with a high speed rail service to the americas and possibly more high speed rail service on the trans siburben railway and regular rail service on the Trans siburan railway

so all these countries have high speed rail and have good rail service thru out and it would be a great idea to connect them all

so all these countries have high speed rail and have good rail service thru out and it would be a great idea to connect them all

It's spelled Siberian, I beleive.

Anyway, no, it would not be a great idea because it would not be an attractive mode for international distances unless it can go faster than 500km/h. TGV can do it, technically, but existing lines do not have such high design speeds on any line today. For example, the Tokaido Shinkansen, although the rolling stock can attain speeds above 300km/h, the actual route alignment and curves etc., are not capable of accomodating speeds exceeding that (or at least not confortably). Also, you have to take noise into consideration. JR East recently bumped down speed upgrades on the Tohoku Shinkasen with the Fast Tech series that have yet to debut in revenue service, from 360 to 320km/h due to the very issue of noise, among other environmental impacts. There are problems associated with trains reach speeds comparable to those of smaller commercial aircraft, speeds that you would need to make this competitive. Tunnels make such speeds additionally complicated, as you will probably encounter "tunnel boom", among other issues.

the two japan portals well the first japan portal will be located at the far northwest corner at Kyunshu i think thats where it will be located at, i think it will be better right there since it will connect to South Korea and for taiwan and china the second japan portal will be located southwest of Kyunshu but problem is that hmm but i think well still got to think of this

Your plan is still surprisingly vague, but let's see how it will be like anyway.
First, these are the current longest underwater tunnels we have in reality:

Seikan Tunnel, 53.85 km (23.3 km underwater)
http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/357/seikanjg6.jpg

Channel Tunnel, 50,45 km (37.9 km underwater)
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4417/channelna9.jpg

And these are your propositions.
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/9940/plan1dc8.jpg

...Do you really think it's feasible?


also it will connect Vladivostok russia

I believe I've misunderstood, but you don't mean something like this, do you?
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8213/plan2mw4.jpg

thanks for putting it up i want a visual to this great huge project anyways it does seem long but there are other ways it can be built

its possible it can be built but not really in tunnels and i am not saying only bridges but i have a plan about this

i am currently working on the logo for the AsiaHSR (the international High Speed Rail for japan to connect to Asia)

and behold the new logo for the AsiaHSR trains that will have in it and yes what do all of you think??

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a99/Goten2110/Future%20plans/IMG00432.jpg

the slogan says "japan's connection to asia and the world is here"

i been thinking of the route from japan to China and Taiwan and russia

maybe if it would be easier to make islands in between like say for a couple hundred miles and well it will go out to the island and back into a tunnel and will keep repeating that until it gets there or there is another way

i remember about a tunnel from New York City to england and the its a floating tunnel maybe it can be implanted the floating tunnel idea can be implanted

ok new plan it will be impossible to do an immerserd tunnel but a floating tunnel is a possiblity and it can work

since it will be deep in the ocean but it will not be in the bottom of the ocean since it it impossible but a floating tunnel can and will work

The only way for it to work is Japan connect to Korea than china would build a tunnel to connect with south Korea. South Korea and China is not that far alway.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/faststarz/Far-East-Asia-map.gif

thank you cold for giving me a great idea thank you

yeah this could work including the floating tunnel i think the floating tunnel idea can work i seen it in the discovery channel about this and well it can work

remember what i said that well it could work

so does anybody here like my logo for the AsiaHSR?

i have another idea i can add to this

well one of the reasons why i want it a high speed rail like the shinkansen instead of Maglev is because currently maglev cannot run on the same tracks as other railways can and its more expansive to built a seperate network while the shinkansen is there and its being used so there is an advantage of high speed railway running on conventional rail

meaning that the AsiaHSR will run on the railways of other high speed railways but will run on some of its own right of way

about the Tokyo International Station the reason i placed the international station in tokyo is because Tokyo is the nation captial of japan and its the heart of japan so its alot like the Eurostar

the Eurostar connects to three Capital Cities of each country England: London, France: Paris, Belgium: Brussels

so the same way that AsiaHSR will do it will connect it to Japan: Tokyo, China: Bejing, shanghai, Hong Kong, Taiwan: Taipei, South Korea: Soeul, (for russia it will not connect it to Moscow since its too far so it will have a station at Vladivostok instead)

it will run on overhead wires like the shinkansen and like i said before it will be run like the shinkansen mixed with the Eurostar, also it means that it will run on standard guage like the shinkansen and every other high speed rail in taiwan, china, south korea, and russia, including japan

the tickets will be at the price of a shinkansen ticket but since it will travel countries each country it will be paid on the currency of the country

for japan it will be in Yen i don't know the rest of the countries currencies yet

the Tunnels leading to Tokyo International Station will be four tracks underground across so it will be easier to divert a train if its damaged or broken down since in NYC with penn station they had problems recent with trains breaking down on a bottleneck to avoid this it will be Four portals for the four tracks and to make it easier

to make it easier as well the approach will begin far from tokyo two tracks will divearte from the shinkansen line and two tracks will different from the regular JR and Private railway lines they both will head to portals into the tunnels and there the tracks will become with both guages since that it will make it easier on Freight and AsiaHSR and maintance railway cars

this approach to Tokyo International it will grow from four tracks to 5 platforms and 12 tracks because two tracks will be thru tracks in the middle of the station for Freight Trains, Non renvune AsiaHSR Trains and also maintanice trains

Tokyo International Station will be a thru Station not a terminus it will be a terminus for the AsiaHSR service but there won't be a terminal like station because the tracks will keep going past the station and head to the yards and the Frieght will use it as a speedy alterntive route compared to the congested tokyo station will be changed to Tokyo Regional Station

as this will be a great alternative as well to Freight Trains in favor as it will be used to bypass Tokyo Station since its getting overcroweded but the right of way will only allow AsiaHSR trains, JR Frieght Trains and Maintiance trains no JR passengers will use the Tokyo International right of way

like i said before the Tokyo International will have up to date information a digital for the info about the trains and such there will be advertasiment and shops in the station and it will play music like classical music thru out Tokyo International as well as Tokyo Regional there will be a PTA system and it will have retails and lots of it there will be elevators and escaloters so people can head down to the platform unless they have a ticket and passport and such

it will have overhead wires as the electrical power for the trains in the station and outside the station the station would be powered by solar enegry as it will be one of the few stations in japan powered by solar energy as it will lessen the cost of power in the station for both tokyo regional and Tokyo international

Why would you allow freight trains to go through Tokyo International. You could better use the capacity in those tunnels for the passenger trains and I don't know if you thought about hazardous goods? Just divert those lines around the Tokyo centers to the industrial areas and the harbor, it's probably cheaper and safer.

And for "I don't know the rest of the countries currencies yet", come on, have you ever heard of Wikipedia? And it's only logical that you will pay with your local currency. In air travel you also don't pay with Dollars in Germany if you want to fly to America, so it's irrelevant.

And for Logo's hire professionals and better come up with a catchier name, Asia HSR (Asia HaSuLu in Japanese) doesn't sound that great. Better come up with a name that's more Chinese/Korean/Japanese, something with more swung.

what do you mean you don't like the logo

the logo is a very stylished Arrow that has alot of spikes which sounds cool and it means a very fast way of traveling its a cool looking arrow i designed ok i was in graphic design ok i think its a cool design whats wrong with the cool looking arrow??? its how i draw some of my logos

AsiaHSR is what i choose because it sounds easier to the public eye like Eurostar it catches with the people and people around the world can understand what it means

the problem with me saying in (chinese, korean, or japanese) is that it would be confusing to me and people who intead to use it

remember not only asians will use it but foreigners like me will use it and i am a Colombian american so the Asian Languages are launguages i don't understand and i can't make it easier to me

in China they have the China Railway High-Speed and its called CRH which makes it easier to the public and well the chinese as well

i think AsiaHSR makes sense since its Asia since it will be international and will go and connect Japan with Asia and it will be a high Speed Railway like the shinkansen hence the name AsiaHSR

AsiaHSR means "Asia High-Speed Railway"

i want to say something what do you mean Professionals for the logo the logo looks awsome it kicks ass its a stylized arrow head cool huh

With professionals I mean real graphic designers. When it comes to reality just spend half a million on a logo, it's the normal way things like this are done. This logo is to bulky, it needs to be more streamlined just like the vehicles.

AsiaHSR is a good name for the company that operates the trains, but I think it should have a better "brand name". Not something that is logical but something that's sounds better and more pleasing to the ear, just like the premium Shinkansen services are named "Nozomi". But for names there are advertising agencies that would love to come up with a name and to turn it into a real brand. Don't expect it to be cheap, but since this project is already going to be mind blowingly expensive a million dollar won't hurt the budget.

Btw, how are you going to sell this project to the public when just 3 years before it opens a new environmentally friendly airplane propulsion will be introduced?

what do you mean 3 years its not finalized yet i mean its not a finished project yet its a proposal but will be a project soon

oh its not the final look of the logo its just the begining of the design phase

i am trying to come up a very good design for the logo and about this project but its not easy

by the way i know this project will be expansive but it will be a dream come true for the japanese and the asian countries

the japan portal is not going to be in Kynushu instead it will be in honshu the largest island of japan

as it heads for the Asiatunnel japan it will sepearte from the Sanyo Shinkansen and it will head in its own right of way and there will be an international station after the junction but there will be tracks that will pass thru the station without stopping for the higher express service of AsiaHSR it will be one of the important Park and Ride Stations in Japan

before it heads to the big yard before the tunnel to South Korea and another tunnel to China

for the Taiwan and Hong Kong services it will be starting from beijing or shanghai or Soeul or tokyo but depends its something i got to think about

i think a yard for the AsiaHSR would be in the same yard that a shinkansen yards are because it would make sense and also it will involve more space for the construction of the depot and shelter for the AsiaHSR trains as well as the shinkansen

You do realize that freight trains already use an underground Tokaido Freight Line near the Tokyo Station area, right? (Seriously, it exists). It comes to the surface around Tsurumi, between Kawasaki and Yokohama.

the frieght lines all ready do have a freight railway line oh so ok that frees it up i guess of frieght hmm makes it easier i guess it can be just standard guage which now makes it easier for the AsiaHSR and the maintance trains for the service

^^ do some research before floating outrageous ideas.

Just a *tiny* detail that made the Channel Tunnel possible and will most likely make these proposals impossible: there was a chalk layer in which the tunnel was drilled ;)

I highly doubt there's such a layer of ground that allows the drilling of a tunnel :s Any other material makes it a lot more expensive to drill an underwater tunnel.

What would seem to be a possibility would be Vactrains (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vactrain). But the question remains: is it economically feasible?

- Greetz Glodenox

like i said before its the AsiaTunnels won't be in the bottom of the ocean rather floating under in a floating tunnels so they are under the ocean but in the bottom and it saves more time for them to get to the land when its on land it would save time

TRZ i am sorry ok i just didn't knew of that railway for the freights part its just i seen that Tokyo Station is overcroweded and very busy and that i wondered how freight trains pass thru the station if its croweded and very busy and passes a main hub and i didn't knew that the freight trains have a different route so thank you for telling me ok

another thing is that the right of way from the flying junction of the Sanyo Shinkansen to the yard before the japan portal of the floating tunnel it will have a noise barrier on the sides like all shinkansen lines have so like i said before

the new right of way is going to look like a shinkansen line but it will only run the AsiaHSR trains but the thing is that

the AsiaHSR is not 24 hours the time will end in 12 am and the maintance will end till 5 am and when services will start with the AsiaHSR and Shinkansen

the japan portal will have 4 tunnel portals to the floating tunnel since it will inculde four sepearte tunnels inside a larger tunnel which is the floating tunnel

the AsiaHSR will use these tunnels also Asiashuttle, Freight trains, maintance and international Night Trains will use the tunnels as well

:hahano:

In the same post you say there will be no service between 12am and 5am and then talk about international NIGHT TRAINS. That should be funny, but, then, this is you... :bash:


If you would run maglevs in such a project, maintenance would not be needed anywhere near as frequently. It was a maglev that was proposed in the floating tunnels program you referred to. Did you forget the part about the journey from New York to London being traversed in about one hour? That was why they were analyzing the concept in the first place. The speed was 5000km/h... FIVE THOUSAND KILOMETERS PER HOUR. That's 3 times faster than the condord was, which is the fastest commercial passenger vehicle we have to date ever seen. Shinkansen can't even go 1/10th that speed. TGV technically can go just over 1/10th (to date only on an experiemental run).

the Asiatunnels will be 24 hours service so trains can go by it and if there is a track that is under reparier and such another train can use another track and such so there

the AsiaHSR will not be run 24 hours ok the Asiatunnels will be 24 hours to provide freight trains, international night trains, asiashuttle, and maintance to use the tunnels

but the asiatunnels still will provide the AsiaHSR when its in service

AsiaHSR will not be 24 hours with the japan section because of the Shinkansen strict maintance order and such so China, taiwan, russia, and South Korea will be 24 hours but not japan for that reason

since in japan it runs with the Shinkansen thru out the routes of part of the tokiado shinkansen and part of the Sanyo Shinkansen thats why

but there will be international stations in not only in japan but in other countries like china, russia, taiwan, south korea

since the Asiatunnels will be dual guage both narrow guage and standard guage will use it and it will have overhead wires for the power for the tunnels

also since the yard on the japan portal will also inculde a Asiashuttle facitily the freight facitly, the Change of guage building (in which a train goes to a shed and changes guages there from standard to narrow and vice versa) but will only do for International Night Trains and freight trains

AsiaShuttle, AsiaHSR will be standard guage

Freight trains and night trains will be standard and narrow due to the Change of Guage facitilies since japan is domainated with narrow guage so there will change for narrow guage and and leaving japan will change to standard but also they can do it on the korean side as well also china side as well

there will be a control center for the portals of each country to monitor tunnel activities and also to be safe and to make sure everything goes well for the normal routine

this will bring in alot of jobs to the Asian Countries and also bring in confedence and belief that Asia is a well better continent and probably also for economical purpose as well

i will provide a map of the portal of japan

i choose convential high speed rail because the tunnels can be militple used and lower costs also since Maglev has to be built with its own power and such it needs a whole new infurasturctue

adding the cost that can be done with a shinkansen, TGV hybrid international HSR train so also to make it cost cheaper yet be convient

its cheaper then a maglev but i understand maglev is faster but since the Asiatunnels will not be only passengers but freight as well i had to put it as a shinkansen type not maglev sorry but it was my choice

each of the Asiatunnels will have four tracks in four separte sections and some high speed crossovers when the tunnel is on land

AsiaHSR and the other rail services will be informed on what track to use and will be informed to see if alternative routes will be undertaken if the track needs repair then it will route to another track

this is done to be like the Channel tunnel but better in a way since it will have Four tracks in the tunnel instead of two for not only diverting repair on tracks or inspection but also for Slower freight trains, International Night Trains and Asiashuttle trains going on one track while the faster AsiaHSR will go another at the same time without delays

since i heard recently that Hong kong KCR is planning and building a high speed Rail Link from Shenzhen to Hong Kong the AsiaHSR will use that to get to hong kong sounds neat right similar to the CTRL in the UK cool

also it can help with the olympic games and other games that might help with the nations of Asia

i choose convential high speed rail because the tunnels can be militple used and lower costs also since Maglev has to be built with its own power and such it needs a whole new infurasturctue

adding the cost that can be done with a shinkansen, TGV hybrid international HSR train so also to make it cost cheaper yet be convient

its cheaper then a maglev but i understand maglev is faster but since the Asiatunnels will not be only passengers but freight as well i had to put it as a shinkansen type not maglev sorry but it was my choice

What makes you think it is convenient from the passenger's perspective to take such a slow technology for such a long distance? It is not convenient, they will take air travel instead if you do it your way, because your way is not a smart way to go about it.

It isn't your choice either, unless you plan to pay for the construction of this out of your own pocket. You need something that is attractive to other people, not to you.

The tunnels are a whole new infrastructure regardless, so that argument doesn't fly.

Think a little, and try this: you might have tried to think about suspended maglev system combined with conventional underside bogies. This would allow a maglev track running above the train and suspending it for the long distances between countries crossing huge bodies of water in comparitively little time (probably less than 30 minutes, all of which would be spent in accelerating and braking, it would never reach top speed for the short distances (from a 5000km/h perspective)), and then, the tricky part, it is guided into a transition between ground rails and overhead maglev track. The transition would probably be about 1/3rd to 1/2 of a km in length, minimum (I would recommend making the transition integrated into a station), perhaps a separate longer one for freight trains since those trains can be a few kilometers long. I'd imagine you must have the full train supported by both modes along its entire length for the transition to take place successfully (you can't have it partially maglev and partially gravity/rail supported, the guidance computer systems would most likely have a fit).

AsiaHSR will not be 24 hours with the japan section because of the Shinkansen strict maintance order and such so China, taiwan, russia, and South Korea will be 24 hours but not japan for that reason

since in japan it runs with the Shinkansen thru out the routes of part of the tokiado shinkansen and part of the Sanyo Shinkansen thats why

but there will be international stations in not only in japan but in other countries like china, russia, taiwan, south korea

Oh right, other countries don't carry out track-maintenance :nuts: Dopey me!:lol:

All tracks require maintenance in some form or another. They don't all necessarily happen at night, but they all do take place. All rails must be inspected every so often, depending on how heavy their use is. In high-frequency use such as urban areas with mass transit trains, this inspection rate is once every 72 hours for all pieces of rail (or something close to this, it may vary somewhat).

it is attractive to people i mean alot of people like the shinkansen even though when it was first built it was a bold idea

maglev i am not saying its not attractive it is very attractive and very cool but its more expansive then a Convential High Speed Railway

but for the Asiatunnels i am not thinking of using it only for the AsiaHSR if that was the case i would have stuck with Maglev but since i wanted the Asiatunnels carrying not only AsiaHSR but a militiple of rail service to use the advantage of not having to build a tunnel for frieght and a tunnel for passenger

i sort of had to combined them and such remember i got my inspiration out of this proposal by the channel tunnel, eurostar, euroshuttle, freight thats why i need to stick remember though Coventential high speed railway is expansive but way cheaper then Maglev

even though maglev can go faster and it has been proven to do this yet the bad thing about it is the cost, it can't share with the other railways making it more expansive

the shanghai Maglev to the airport and to the CBD is on its own right of way which makes it fast and covienment but it was more expansive to be built

while regular high speed rail can share the right of way with other high speed railways and such and it has been proven

The LGV Nord is shared with the Eurostar, TGV, and Thalys trains

The LGV Est is shared with the TGV, and German ICE (InterCity Express) trains

ok i don't know what other HSR routes have shared railway services?

the northeast corridor in the united states even though its not built with high speed rail standards its but with coventential rail standards its one of the few "American" built HSR in the United states but its not a true HSR right of way plus the northeast corridor is shared with Amtrak, Regional Rails, Freight but like i said its not a true high speed right of way

and those are high speed trains and it can be shared while construction is expansive it can be shared and managed easily

The JR Central Tokiado Shinkansen and the JR West Sanyo Shinkansen can be shared with the AsiaHSR and it can be possible since its already built and already used by Tokiado Shinkansen and Sanyo Shinkansen so it is possible to use it i think?

^^ The Shinkansen is attractive so long as it is competitive with air travel, which it is for short domestic trips. You are talking about international travel. Big difference.

Also, you completely failed to understand what I just said. I really don't care about your regurgitated arguments about how maglev is expensive - for the tunnels, it isn't, the costs between maglev and conventional rail would be about the same or possibly CHEAPER to do it maglev depending on how it is designed (because maglev infrastructure might be easier to assemble in prefabricated components than conventional rail). The biggest cost are the concrete casings of the tunnels themselves and their flood protection. What the actual infrastructure selected is does not matter that much in terms of capital investment. However, the return on the capital investment requires this be competitive with air travel - again, you fail to understand this blatantly obvious issue. Sharing infrastructure is unimportant with the dynamics at play here, except possibly for trips from Osaka to Pusan (small market).

Besides, I told you exactly how to do a maglev tunnel that can still share the infrastructure with conventional railways. You obviously do not understand a word I posted.

Not to mention this will never happen because of the political situation of Asia, Japan is not extremely friendly with their neighbors, it is all because of the history of the area. It will also cost too much, and no government will want to pay for it, because it would put them in severe debt. Plus it would cross a plate boundry, and it the plate moved, the tunnels would snap.

^^
Like that hasn't been mentioned already more then ten times, mr. Songoten2554 is the only person who doesn't see that such a mega project is completely unrealistic.

Therefor I got a few basic questions:
1. How many people are now traveling between Japan and mainland Asia on an average day?
2. Have you seen any studies on how this will develop in the future?
3. How many services will run through the tunnel on normal working day?
4. What market section are you aiming for, business travelers or holiday travelers?

5. How many freight is transported by sea or air between Japan and China?
6. How will this develop in the future?
7. Will the freight trains compete with air or sea transport (in price)?

8. Do you already have an idea of how long it will take to construct this project?
9. Do you have any idea on your budget?
10. Who is going to pay for it all, private investors, the Asian taxpayers or the American taxpayers?

Maybe you want to asked this questions first before thinking of logos and layouts of stations in Tokyo.

One other question, why have you focussed with most of the details on Japan, why don't I see anything about stations in Seoul and Beijing?

5. How many freight is transported by sea or air between Japan and China?
6. How will this develop in the future?
7. Will the freight trains compete with air or sea transport (in price)?


Given the commanding dominance of sea freight's market share, I don't see how in the world the freight angle would be in any way worthwhile, even considering the rapid growth in China. It would have to link to North America for it to be even remotely worth it.

10. Who is going to pay for it all, private investors, the American taxpayers?

Maybe you want to asked this questions first before thinking of logos and layouts of stations in Tokyo.

One other question, why have you focussed with most of the details on Japan, why don't I see anything about stations in Seoul and Beijing?

Why would American taxpayers pay for this? There is no benefit of this for us.

Why focus on Japan, I wonder as well. Most non-Japanese Asians don't even want to go to Japan.

It would have to link to North America for it to be even remotely worth it.

I dont see that happening either. Thousands of miles of track would have to be built in the most remote area of the world. Nobody would ride a train from North America to Asia, because of the capital costs, the prices would be astronomical, and airfare would most likely be cheaper, faster as well.

I dont see that happening either. Thousands of miles of track would have to be built in the most remote area of the world. Nobody would ride a train from North America to Asia, because of the capital costs, the prices would be astronomical, and airfare would most likely be cheaper, faster as well.

Theorhetically, maglev can do it considerably faster. 3-5 times faster. However, they haven't figured out a way to do this safely yet. ;)

^^ What if a water maglev is designed, one that hovers over water. Only a small amount of time until completion!!!! You know what, why not develop a teleport system!!!

^^ What if a water maglev is designed, one that hovers over water. Only a small amount of time until completion!!!!Would never reach speeds fast enough. You don't understand, in order to be faster than air travel it must be in a vaccuum. Land or water, doesn't matter what it hovers on, it must be free of air resistence to reach speeds faster than aircraft.
You know what, why not develop a teleport system!!!
Hey, I'm floating what engineers have in fact said might be possible, I'm not pulling sci-fi out of my ass here.

Would never reach speeds fast enough. You don't understand, in order to be faster than air travel it must be in a vaccuum. Land or water, doesn't matter what it hovers on, it must be free of air resistence to reach speeds faster than aircraft.

Hey, I'm floating what engineers have in fact said might be possible, I'm not pulling sci-fi out of my ass here.

Oops, I ment that as sarcasm, not to be taken seriously, I should have put a smiliy:) .

well i am sorry to say about the japan section i was getting to discuss to the other countries as well

i also choose coventienal high speed rail because i was inspired by the eurostar and the channel tunnel and i thought since the channel tunnel connects UK with the rest of europe

since i was inspired by this idea of the channel tunnel and eurostar remember i was inspired by the channel tunnel and eurostar i wanted to make it

ok for the other countries and finally i am going to dicuss this

for South Korea AsiaHSR will stop at the Soeul south station i presume where there is the KTX trains

also like i said before the AsiaHSR Rail Vechiles will be a Fusion of the Shinkansen JR West 500 Series and the british Rail Class 373 which uses eurostar

its like this a Shinkansen train Plus with a Eurostar TGV equals a fast and great international High Speed Rail

its a combination of efforts of Asia and the rest of the developed western world and well its a combination of eastern and western customs as it will be an international High Speed Rail Service like the Shinkansen and Eurostar Combined and with new technologies

like Glass Cockpit technolgies and will be the first to have LCD screens as to read the speed and the mechanics for the train and such

the carriages will be the same size and Length as the Shinkansen 500 series and Class 373 but the AsiaTunnels will have the largest Loading Guage in the world next to the Channel Tunnel itself

the trains will have a movie screens on board like an aircraft so passengers may see a movie while traveling on the AsiaHSR but also there will be windows so they can see the outside world while traveling at Shinkansen and Eurostar Speeds

i am thinking of doing how the shinkansen does for passengers for food and drinks in that they serve them like an aircraft with the food and drinks carts or do how eurostar does it that they have a buffet car a rail car that has food and drinks

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a99/Goten2110/Transportation/Trains/Shinkansen500Series4.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a99/Goten2110/Transportation/Trains/Shinkansan500Series2.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a99/Goten2110/Transportation/Trains/eurostar_ctrl_big.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a99/Goten2110/Transportation/Trains/450px-Eurostar_on_CTRL.jpg

i think a fusion look and power of these two vechiles would be awsome in a way

anyways i want to put up a video i mean i don't have computer animation on this but its from the channel tunnel and eurostar

where this inspiration of this idea came from

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EODZGHi21B0

this is a video of exiting the channel tunnel on the UK side and well it is going fast here and this is how the AsiaHSR will exit the tunnel like that at that speed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huJZhmnqPZY

this is a video of the the eurostar entering to the channel tunnel from the french side and well it is going fast so its as good

just a proof on this that it could work with regular high speed railway and i trust that then maglev for this project since it worked for the channel tunnel and eurostar

i also choose coventienal high speed rail because i was inspired by the eurostar and the channel tunnel and i thought since the channel tunnel connects UK with the rest of europe

since i was inspired by this idea of the channel tunnel and eurostar remember i was inspired by the channel tunnel and eurostar i wanted to make it

Doesn't mean anything and doesn't change the fact that it is an absurd way to tackle the proposed routes.

also another project arose this is not my idea but of the governments of spain and monoroco is the Gibraltar Tunnel and well i now created a thread of it now but it perfectly explains about the project

the thing also with Regular High Speed Rail what is great and i think is great for this project is the example given by the Channel Tunnel and thats why this project was inspired from it

also i understand about the maglev but the thing is it hasn't proven to be usable outside the maglev section and into the regular high speed rail tracks and i don't know what kind of machine can do that?

maglev is great and i understand that people want that but what i am trying to come up is a project that its not only in use by only high speed rail but also with other rail services as well

in other words i am trying to accomplish what the channel tunnel and Eurostar did manily trying to do it in Asia where it can happen and its possible

the high speed rail sections for the AsiaHSR well since i am going to say this

i already discussed about japan so i will discuss on the other countries as well

for south Korea it will run on its own Right of way and also mixed with the Korean high speed railway (KTX)

for China it will run on its own Right of way and mixed with the CRH (China Railway High Speed)

for the segment to Hong Kong it will take advantage of the new rail project of high speed rail on the hong kong section called the "Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link" and it will take advantage of that part of the railway as well

at first i was going to use the east rail segment of the KCR but since i now heard of this project i decided it would be wise to send it thru this new railway right of way

international Night Trains and frieght also other rail serivces can use the East and West Railways from the KCR

for the Taiwan segment will the AsiaHSR service will start service in China in bejing, Hong Kong, or Shanghai and it will go on a AsiaTunnel from china to Taiwan where it will connect to the Taiwan high speed rail and terminate in Taipei main station

for the russia segment the AsiaHSR will run on its own right of way the whole way from china ( so it won't go to North Korea) to russia into Vladivostok station where there is the Trans-Siberian Railway, Russia high speed rail ( i think because i heard that russia is having a high speed rail) and the purposed of the international Americas Rail service to service north, central and South americas

so anyways any views about this and well it does require alot of work to get started

It will be possible to Make those Asiatunnels but there are some serious diplomatic problems that may cause some conflicts of those nations. For example, "NORTH KOREA". If there will be an Asiatunnel, the first proposal will be between Fukouka, Japan and Busan, Korea because they are the nearest. However, they have to wait until the Korean countries will unite so that South Korea can make such railways going to China and Russia specifically Beijing and Vladivostok.

Can China and Japan connected with an Asiatunnel? Its possible but its going to be worth A LOT OF MONEY! I don't think its worthy to build one. Plus, the relationship between China and Japan is still not considered that good so I guess they have to wait for the next generation or two or maybe they have to wait for the other generation (World War II and Korean War generation) to disappear.

Can the powerful tectonic earthquakes and typhoons be a serious or imminent threat? NO! If they do it the right way. Just like how the tunnel underneath Golden Gate Bridge were built for their trains. However, a tunnel between China and Japan can be riskier than the one in Korea and Japan.

also i understand about the maglev but the thing is it hasn't proven to be usable outside the maglev section and into the regular high speed rail tracks and i don't know what kind of machine can do that?I already told you how to do that, why is it that you never read a word other people post? It is exceptionally rude to keep repeating yourself and ignore others' responses to your questions.
China has in fact demonstrated an inverted (or suspended) maglev model. This leaves the underside of the train available for conventional bogies, or at least a connector piece to the bogie. It is complicated engineering, but this is physically possible, and if the transition is done at a station where all trains stop, it is probably practical. I wouldn't want to do a high-speed transition though, that'd be dangerous (going from conventional to maglev, at least... maglev to conventional would probably be much easier).


and the purposed of the international Americas Rail service to service north, central and South americasIt won't get built.

I envy Japan's rail infraestructure.

the asiatunnels will function similar to the channel tunnel where i got the inspiration all i am saying if it worked for europe then it can work for Asia and it can be possible

i am not saying North Korea to be connected i said south korea not north

anyways what i purpose on the Asiatunnels of the yards is massive and the reason is cargo, freight, ferry transports, international Night Trains and also the control centers as well also to lay over trains and such

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a99/Goten2110/Transportation/Trains/800px-9702_Coquelles_0204.04.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a99/Goten2110/Transportation/Trains/800px-9040_Coquelles_0204.04.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a99/Goten2110/Transportation/Trains/800px-9003_Cheriton_terminal_1508.04.jpg

this what i have the pics of the euroshuttle but since the asia tunnel and the asia shuttle will operate the same way the channel tunnel and euroshuttle travels and works then it will be similar in a way but with differences

the tunnel section between japan and south korea will be dual guage both narrow and standard will use that section of the japantunnel of the asiatunnels

a construction cost is the difficult problem.
naw, oil money flows into Russia.
But the ten years next...

The reconciliation of the issue of history will be necessary.
Unfortunately conceited nationalism rages in China and Korea, maybe japan.

thank you for bringing my thread back

yes i do agree its expansive but it will be paid off in a well manner and also this will help not only passenger rail but Freight as well

and plus the tunnel will be elitctifed at over head wires and the same elctrical power as the shinkansen since it will be using Shinkansen and TGV technology

the Eurostar is a TGV derevid technology meaning it came from the TGV but the thing is that the loading guage was made smaller because of the british rail infuranstruce

good advantage of the AsiaTunnels is that there will be Dual Guage on the japan section of the tunnel since Japan is narrowed gauge except the Shinkansen which is standard guage

i know not many people agree with me on this and yes they have the right not to but

ever since i looked at the channel tunnel and i looked on how it operates i looked how they did it then it sparkled me an idea a bold idea that will change the face of Asia forever and that is

the grand scheme of things and that is what i call the Asia United International Railway Project the (AUIRP) and the Asia Tunnels and the AsiaHSR will be part of this project

the Asiatunnels will be owned and maintained by a separate company called the Asiatunnel corp. this includes the Asiashuttles will be part of this company too plus they will order new rail vechiles from bombardiar, alstrom or kawasaki??

AsiaHSR will not be a subject of Franchising and its service will be similar to the Eurostar and Shinkansen combined

Freight Rail will be used on the Asiatunnels but will not go on the AsiaHSR right of way and will go on the country's normal rail system but will pay a toll on the Asiatunnel Corp. to use the tunnels

the freight companies will pay tolls to pass thru the asiatunnels its another great way for the company to get income

maybe this can work for the eurotunnel as well for freight

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Don't make it too expensive for the freight trains.

Since Eurotunnel increased the fee for using the tunnel recently the amount of freight trains that wasn't too high already even further dropped. There are fewer trains now then before the tunnel was opened and the trains used to to take the rail ferry. EWS claims the costs are just too high to run freight trains through the tunnel, maybe this will change when the EWS take over by Railion is completed. And there aren't to many other rail freight operators that want to start new 'open access' services through the tunnel.

I think you need to show some competency here before ranting endlessly about pipe-dreams like this... and pipe-dream is an understatement for this one.

For example, after several trial-and-error calculations in fincances and demographic data combinations, as well as route alignments, I came up with a 7km maglev route with an operational speed of 200km/h (max speed 300km/h) for an investment level of about 400 million, and makes around 45 million a year. Debt would be fully repaid including interest in about 15 years (calculations do not, however, include inflation). After clearing the first phase's debt, another 300 million investment could see the route double in length and increase its revenue past 65 million a year.

First prove that you can think small... then think big.


british rail infuranstruce

its not a pipe dream its an idea that i came up with

TRZ: i am sorry for the mispronunciation of infrastructure i am really sorry

its not a pipe dream its an idea that i came up with

TRZ: i am sorry for the mispronunciation of infrastructure i am really sorry

Do you know what the term "pipe dream" even means???:banana:

You can't mispronounce anything on a message board as we can't hear your voice. You just can't proofread to save your life.

TRZ: i said i am sorry ok i am really really sorry you are right i am wrong

then again i don't know if i can continue with this all of you said its impossible all of you are right i am wrong i am really wrong and stupid to think this can happen

i thought i can go with this but all of you said its right (looks sad and ashamed at my stupid idea)

i have rethought of this and well i think i have come up with several new reasons but anyways i decided to make some changes but not complete changes

i wanted to show a video of what my inspiration for this idea came from and the scale of the channel tunnel the Eurostar and high speed 1 which is the channel tunnel Rail Link and the Shinkansen was my inspiration to come up with this giant and huge purposal project

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE0JYJRYgGc

To bad Discovery Channel doesn't show any critical documentaries. As for the Channel tunnel, they will only praise the technical marvel that it is but they won't mention the financial disaster it has became. It's saved now, but only because some companies took some serious financial losses only to prevent even more losses in the future.

but if this can work then it can do well for Asia just like it did to europe

sure it will be in finaicial mess but that happened with the seiken tunnel but now its being saved by the shinkansen because it will be used in it

i expect it to be in debt because its a huge project and will take 50 years to get it payed but hey its better being built then nothing at all

all i am saying is that i know it won't be cheap but its better to get it built then do nothing at all

You don't have any notion on how much money it will cost to build a tunnel like this, don't you?

It will cost more then all the costs for all the Shinkansen lines that have been build together. But since the market is small it will never have have the same ridership, especially since flying will be so much faster and probably cheaper. It won't ever be profitable, not in 50 years, not in 100 years.

The governments in Japan and Korea that want to build such a project will will be wiped away in the next elections. There are enough internal problems in both countries that are far more important then the political fighting between these countries, a tunnel wouldn't help anyway. A new wave of younger politicians would do wonders.

but if this can work then it can do well for Asia just like it did to europe

sure it will be in finaicial mess but that happened with the seiken tunnel but now its being saved by the shinkansen because it will be used in it

i expect it to be in debt because its a huge project and will take 50 years to get it payed but hey its better being built then nothing at all

The Seikan Tunnel was built prior to JNR's privatization. JNR back then was the owner of ALL the Shinkansen Lines and was a body of the Government of Japan at the time. In 1987, JNR was bankrupting the Government of Japan, largely due to political Shinkansen Lines, and privatized the body into 7 companies, JR Kyuushuu, JR West, JR Central, JR Shikoku, JR East, JR Hokkaidou, and JR Freight, as well as The Shinkansen Debt Settlement Fund.

The Seikan Tunnel is not used for Shinkansen yet.

It is used for passenger and freight operations though.

The private JRs would in fact prefer not to continue building new Shinkansen lines in Kyuushuu and Hokkaido, but they are required to by law, a law stupidly passed before the network bankrupted the government.

so your saying that Shinkansen by law should expand the Shinkansen but i think this is great for the Economy i mean they have contiuned building them and they are coming up with the Chou Shinkansen as well

but then thats odd too because the shinkansen is doing well in japan its doing exterminally well and brought japan to the modern era and the reconizable of the world

alot of the international stations will have customs areas before broading the AsiaHSR as the international stations will have brillient Architrcture and will include Artwork and photos of the area historically and well i imagine that well the international Stations will include shops and retail space as well

the architecture of the International Stations will reflect the Cities and countries cultures and some will be Futuristic like the Eurostar's new international stations

people when they appear to the Tokyo International Station they will say wow what a beautiful station i was hoping if i can make it a catherdal type like the Railway Stations of Europe but well i guess i cannot but anyways it will still include the things that make a Railway Station great and this includes the International ones

so your saying that Shinkansen by law should expand the Shinkansen but i think this is great for the Economy i mean they have contiuned building them and they are coming up with the Chou Shinkansen as wellThe Chuo Shinkansen is not in Hokkaidou or Kyuushuu. The Chuo Shinkansen is guaranteed to make money because it will provide expanded service to an already saturated corridor (there's not much room, if any, to further increase service on the Toukaidou Shinkansen, but there's demand for service increases, which the Chuo Shinkansen can provide as it would service Osaka and Nagoya, in addition to Shinjuku). This is very different from Kyuushuu Shinkansen. The Hokkaidou Shinkansen I will say I do agree with. This is because Haneda-Chitose is the busiest domestic air corridor in the world. The Shinkansen would be capable, I'd argue, of offering attractive competition to the aircraft along this corridor if they can push the Fastechs to their limits, which they are having some problems on with environmental impacts. Kyuushuu is not the smartest Shinkansen. JR Kyuushuu is one of the JRs designed to operate at a loss. This is BAD FOR THE ECONOMY.

They should NOT be building Shinkansen where there is no business case for Shinkansen, but the HAVE TO because the law has not been repealed - it should be repealed.


but then thats odd too because the shinkansen is doing well in japan its doing exterminally well and brought japan to the modern era and the reconizable of the world

The Toukaidou Shinkansen shocked the railway industry worldwide. It also paid for itself in 5 years. That's astounding. The Jouetsu Shinkansen is one of the worst performers and many have said it should never have been built. JR East has finally been able to bring this line out of the red, but only recently. Not all Shinkansen Lines do well from the get-go. Some of them were stupid at first. "If you build it, they will come" is the logic applied, but they always forget the disclaimer and more important continuation "If you build it well, they will stay".

so your saying the Kynushu Shinkansen is bad but its bringing high speed Rail Travel to places in Kyunshu that are not serviced well but i think its great bringing a shinkansen service to an island not serviced well by it

also the Kynushu Shinkansen will go to Nagasaki soon which to the shinkansen adds a bonus factor because its a city as well and will link with Hakata with the Sanyo Shinkansen

Joetsu Shinkansen was bad???? but i thought Expanding Shinkansen is good??? like the Horikuku Shinkansen it will services areas where the current shinkansen are not there yet??

so your saying the Kynushu Shinkansen is bad but its bringing high speed Rail Travel to places in Kyunshu that are not serviced well but i think its great bringing a shinkansen service to an island not serviced well by it

also the Kynushu Shinkansen will go to Nagasaki soon which to the shinkansen adds a bonus factor because its a city as well and will link with Hakata with the Sanyo Shinkansen

Joetsu Shinkansen was bad???? but i thought Expanding Shinkansen is good??? like the Horikuku Shinkansen it will services areas where the current shinkansen are not there yet??

Christ guy, you just don't get it.

NOT FINANCIALLY SUSTAINABLE

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