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FloridaFuture
May 16th, 2007, 12:09 PM
City Doesn't Want Rowdy Friends At Channelside

By TED JACKOVICS The Tampa Tribune

Published: May 16, 2007


TAMPA - Mayor Pam Iorio said Tuesday she is concerned that reports of excessive drinking among some patrons at Channelside Bay Plaza are at odds with the family-style ambience she said the city wants for the waterside retail and entertainment complex.

"We don't want Channelside to become involved with some of the problems Ybor City has had," Iorio said after Tuesday's port authority meeting, referring to recent police reports at Channelside.

Iorio and the four other commissioners attending the monthly meeting of the port authority, which leases the Channelside site to the New York owner of the downtown complex, requested the port staff make clear its expectations for operations at Channelside's bars.

She drew attention to anecdotal reports she had been told by Channelside visitors and tenants regarding some patrons of McGraw's, a country western bar owned by Ohio businessman Mike Dennis that opened last month.

Dennis had not responded by early Tuesday evening to questions by the Tribune about Iorio's comments. Calls and e-mail placed to a representative of Channelside owner Ashkenazy Acquisition Corp., senior vice president of leasing Barry Lustig, were not returned.

Iorio's comments were made in reference to a request by Channelside Bay Mall LLC, which is controlled by Ashkenazy, for an amendment to allow a sublease of 8,778 square feet for office space for the LandDesign Inc. planning and engineering firm.

The port's lease permits only retail, restaurant and movie theaters as Channelside tenants. The Greater Tampa Chamber of Commerce relocated its headquarters to Channelside in a move to add some vitality to the retail and entertainment area that has struggled to become a major downtown focal point.

The board chose to postpone consideration of the office space amendment in order to work out details with Channelside Bay Plaza over the operations of its tenants.

"I have no problem with office space at Channelside, although we want it to be a first-class entertainment area," Iorio said.

Port authority attorney Charles Klug acknowledged that the port was taken by surprise that McGraw's was opened without the Channelside owner contacting port staff for approval of the sublease.

The ground lease between the Authority and Channelside Bay Mall LLC states that the authority has approval rights of subtenant leases and requires the plaza to submit certain documents to the authority for review and approval.

"The authority has not received the documents required to approve the subleases for McGraw's or another restaurant Dennis owns at Channelside - Sling Shots, which opened in January 2006 - in accordance with the ground lease and, consequently, has not approved either sublease." Klug said.

He said that Channelside Bay Plaza's lease payments were up to date and payments that had fallen into arrears for as much as $60,000 for a parking lot have been reconciled.

Klug said the port authority was aware of the mayor's longstanding concerns over the atmosphere and ambience at Channelside, but Iorio's statements on Tuesday made public some frustrations that have simmered among tenants and some Channelside visitors in recent weeks.

The Tampa Police Department investigated 22 cases at Channelside from March 3 through May 13, resulting in 10 arrests for offenses ranging from simple battery to disorderly intoxication. The police reports tally only the overall entertainment and retail complex address of 615 Channelside Drive and not individual businesses within the complex.

The Channelside usage issues have simmered since last summer, when news accounts reported plans of McGraw's opening were opposed by other Channelside tenants.

In addition, certain other port tenants became entangled in differences over an increase in rent that Ashkenazy sought last year.

Iorio said at July's port authority meeting that she thought the port should work aggressively to maintain Channelside as a family venue.

In other business, the port authority approved a 28-acre lease at Port Redwing with Andino Cements USA, a U.S. division of a Dominican Republic construction company.

The plant will employ 45 to 60 workers when it goes into operation within 24 months.

Reporter Ted Jackovics can be reached at (813) 259-7817 and tjackovics@tampatrib.com


http://www.tbo.com/news/money/MGBI22Q2R1F.html

randommichael
May 16th, 2007, 08:45 PM
Wow, I wish they would close McGraw's and put something a little more upscale in there.

jonknee
May 16th, 2007, 09:01 PM
Two country bars right next to eachother is a little odd.

randommichael
May 17th, 2007, 12:21 AM
Especially since we aren't really all that southern... I could expect it in Atlanta or Nashville...but Tampa? Nah, I don't see it.

Maxim98
May 17th, 2007, 01:14 AM
Right next to our new upscale Steakhouse. It's absolutely tasteless. I've been opposed to it since the summer and continue to be. One is ample enough. This really takes over the entire concept and discourages more moderate places that cater to OTHER crowds - ie, crowds that aren't young and (let's face it) messy.

Jasonhouse
May 17th, 2007, 03:51 AM
Mayor Pam Iorio said Tuesday she is concerned that reports of excessive drinking among some patrons at Channelside Bay Plaza are at odds with the family-style ambience she said the city wants for the waterside retail and entertainment complex.
F***in a, here we go again...

I wonder how many more months it will be before we hear about how 'bad' SoHo and Baystreet are too? :ohno:

Hey Pam, here's a newsflash for ya... There's a reason Chuck-E-Cheese isn't open late... THE KIDS ARE IN BED!!!

TampaMike
May 17th, 2007, 04:27 AM
I say we just let Ybor be a party central, move most of the bars to Ybor from Channelside, and the problem is fix. Every city will have it wasted areas, Miami, LA, NYC, Tampa is a big enough city to have it's own booze fiesta evry night.

Jasonhouse
May 17th, 2007, 05:00 AM
^Yes, as a matter of fact it is. The area has always been a natural draw for drinkers, and trying to hide that isn't working... So long as the city persists in trying to manipulate the market, this 'dog chasing its tail' effect will continue, all while the moral crusaders waste taxpayer dollars in futility. I have a better idea, let them fight this battle with their own money, and leave the rest of us out of it... I would rather spend my tax dollars on a plan which will actually work, like containing it in one place.

FloridaFuture
May 17th, 2007, 12:14 PM
The people will drink either way whether it is in Ybor or not. I'd rather have the majority in Ybor where the city can focus safety percautions there, then spread all across the metro.

randommichael
May 17th, 2007, 04:28 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing all of the clubs put in Ybor. I'd rather have that then have them scattered all around town. We do need a party area I suppose.

Maxim98
May 17th, 2007, 11:48 PM
The more I think about this and discuss it with friends, the more I think Iorio is indeed wrong. I'm reconsidering what I said earlier... I think this fits into part of the ugly truth about Tampa, but I shouldn't go there... the pitchforks will come out.

Jasonhouse
May 17th, 2007, 11:57 PM
And I see I wasn't clear up top... I agree that rowdy bars shouldn't be in Channelside... They should be in Ybor, where the market had decided was the best place for them (else they wouldn't have developed there).

Let's face it people, Ybor is essentially surrounded by what most folks are going to consider the 'ghetto' or whatever you want to call it. Families and wealthy people flat out aren't going to such a place after hours, no matter how many goons with badges the city puts down there. This has been a fool's errand since day 1, and time has done nothing but further prove that.

Maxim98
May 18th, 2007, 12:17 AM
And I see I wasn't clear up top... I agree that rowdy bars shouldn't be in Channelside... They should be in Ybor, where the market had decided was the best place for them (else they wouldn't have developed there).

Let's face it people, Ybor is essentially surrounded by what most folks are going to consider the 'ghetto' or whatever you want to call it. Families and wealthy people flat out aren't going to such a place after hours, no matter how many goons with badges the city puts down there. This has been a fool's errand since day 1, and time has done nothing but further prove that.

No, it's just the idea of trying to regulate it as they do that's annoying, since they're crippling both scenes simultaneously. It's annoying.

Jasonhouse
May 18th, 2007, 03:00 AM
It's not just the myopia of adopting a regulatory strategy destined to fail, it's the mindnumbing idiocy of thinking that if they forced the existing businesses in Ybor to slowly die off, that magically higher-end businesses would be clamoring over each other for a chance to be the next business that city politics deep sixes...

It's astonishing how many people in government seriously believed that if they just shut down a few booty clubs, Ybor would become a haven for old people who wipe their arses with $100 bills... I think it goes to show what I am always saying... Decisions of importance should be made by people who actually have the expertise and experience to rationally make those choices. Such planning should NOT be left to the whims of whichever drone bought their way into office this time around.

smiley
May 18th, 2007, 05:26 AM
Actually, much of the business planning should be done by consumers - let them buy. You cannot micromanage everything - in fact you can successfully micromanage almost nothing

tonyff67
May 19th, 2007, 02:21 AM
It's not just the myopia of adopting a regulatory strategy destined to fail, it's the mindnumbing idiocy of thinking that if they forced the existing businesses in Ybor to slowly die off, that magically higher-end businesses would be clamoring over each other for a chance to be the next business that city politics deep sixes...


When High end establishments do come to Ybor they don't make it either. Terverna Opa spent $1.5 million to get their restaurant ready at the corner of 20th and 7th, only to close after being open for 4 months

JBrisco
May 19th, 2007, 03:00 AM
Why's the city always gotta be hatin' on fun?
Ybor has ALWAYS been the party district, and always will have lots of crime.
They need to lax up on Ybor for sure, there really isn't a lot of FAMILY stuff there so why are they so strict on crap there.

thehappysmith
May 20th, 2007, 06:54 PM
This city council and mayor just don't approve of any activity they don't personally want to be a part of.

I've spent a couple years in towns where the ONLY reliable entertainment was to be had at places like McGraw's. And when that's the case, they're fine... but the, uh, clientele at such a place... well, I was surprised when McGraw's went in there. Their clients aren't gonna be down at Channelside to do anything else, and it's probably a bit of a drive from the burbclaves to get there and THEN you have to pay for parking. I didn't think the place would survive in that location, but it has... which puts me in the same camp as Smiley: the consumers have responded to McGraw's, but they don't seem to respond as well to megabuck restaurants at Channelside (thinking of the Signature Room that has come and gone to be replaced by a similar venue).

The city wanted Channelside to be a "grown up" alternative to Ybor. Then they went and destroyed Ybor, and now they're upset that some of the slop is falling to Channelside? Get a grip, old farts!

If we had Joe Redner on the council he wouldn't sit for this kind of idiocy, you know. Gwen Miller won't even wake up for this debate.

Jasonhouse
May 20th, 2007, 08:21 PM
which puts me in the same camp as Smiley: the consumers have responded to McGraw's, but they don't seem to respond as well to megabuck restaurants at Channelside (thinking of the Signature Room that has come and gone to be replaced by a similar venue).

The city wanted Channelside to be a "grown up" alternative to Ybor. Then they went and destroyed Ybor, and now they're upset that some of the slop is falling to Channelside? Get a grip, old farts!

If we had Joe Redner on the council he wouldn't sit for this kind of idiocy, you know. Gwen Miller won't even wake up for this debate.
Totally agreed...